g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-1.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 1 02:07:16 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:07:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7DB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> It was actually Philips and Sony. But my guess would be TDK. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2004 4:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Does anyone know who came out with a blank compact cassette first,Maxell or TDK?I know TDK is a older company than Maxell but was just curious as to who introduced the first blank cassette of these two company's?Thanks for any insight..Keith. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 1 02:10:33 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:10:33 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7DC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I would just like to say to all on this wonderful list, have a safe and wonderful 2005 to you and to your families too. Cheers, Tom Siomopoulos From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 1 02:17:41 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:17:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7DD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I almost forgot, Salim it's good to hear your safe my friend. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 1 January 2005 12:11 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! I would just like to say to all on this wonderful list, have a safe and wonderful 2005 to you and to your families too. Cheers, Tom Siomopoulos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Sat Jan 1 02:40:26 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:40:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Adding yet another Nak Message-ID: <20050101014026.EDEFF17D42@smtp.amb.org> Hi all, In addition to the excellent Dragon, a CR-7A is en-route to me and I think it will be an wonderful companion for the Dragon. Like any piece of audio equipment I collect, I would love to get the owner and service manuals (PDF format is cool). Anyone has a copy of these for the CR-7A handy? Thanks in advance... -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From bsam8c55 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 2 00:22:55 2005 From: bsam8c55 at earthlink.net (Benedict Samonte) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:22:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year!! Message-ID: <200412312323.iBVNNQHY010622@zebra.naks.com> Hello Everybody, just want to wish everybody here in the forum a Happy New Year!! Also to pray for the victims in the Tsunami disaster and to help whenever we can no matter how small. (Count our Blessings). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Glacier Bkgrd.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Jan 1 02:32:31 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:32:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] WISHING EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!! Message-ID: <1e3.31f2e45e.2f0757af@aol.com> Hi Guys! Hope everyone is doing fine! Wishing all of you great guys! A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!! and thanks for helping me with my Nakamichi Dragon, the 700 zxl , the 480 and the Revox B-710 Mk1 Cassette Deck. This possibly THE BEST! forum in the world! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 1 05:16:19 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:16:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" In-Reply-To: <41D5858F.2060203@xs4all.nl> References: <005101c4ef69$3fdb2eb0$2c773242@CopyTech> <41D5858F.2060203@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <41D62413.7020806@woods-and-waters.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Only I hope the list can go on for years, I got my 600 recently fixed > with the help of the members of this list! > Hey, Hey, this is great news! Now that's a great way to start the New Year: getting your Nak 600 running! From one 600 owner to another, may the good sounds be yours! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 06:59:10 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:59:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" In-Reply-To: <19a.2d4f1e0d.2f06dfcf@aol.com> Message-ID: Please! Don't be MAD...with us!!! Good luck in this newer 2005 year! ALEX! >From: BADANTH at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:01:03 EST > >Wow, see what I miss when I'm away! I don't contribute much to the list but >that is because I'm an idiot. I learn as much as possible and then I try >it, >buy it, get it and forget it. I then peek in to see how the regulars are >doing >and occassionally say hello. > >HELLO, to all my fellow enthusiasts and a Happy New Year to all... > >Love the music........ > >Anthony Von Stupid > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 07:01:06 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:01:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Add also Sony's ELCASET!!!! ALEX! >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:37:47 -0500 > >Not as long as folks still listen and enjoy! > >Speak about rare formats......remember the RCA 4-track cassette from the >late 50's and early 60's? > >>From: greynolds at newsguy.com >>Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" >>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:52:11 -0500 >> >>From: "neil lipes" >> >> > No format will ever die..... >> >>Hasn't 8-Track officially died? :) >>-- >>Geoffrey Reynolds >>http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 1 06:23:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 5500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D633EA.5080702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ben, ng ben wrote: > Wonder if > any Nakers out there have made a A/B comparison on a B&O vs Nak - would > be interesting to know which Nak. I recall a thread on "the best > cassette deck ever made" here on Naktalk, where a sole response rated > the Beocord 9000 betters the Dragon(!). Always wondered by what > measure of record or playback capability (technical or sonically) the > writer was making the judgement. Another great way to start the New Year: Nakamichi Versus Bang & Olufsen. Sounds like a great title for an action movie. Well, to start, I use my cassette decks professionally as well as for my own musical bliss. I judge ANY recorder for "hi(gh)" its "fi" is -- especially compared against live, unprocessed musical performances. This is th eultimate test; "My new 'Supersound Millenium Falcon 2000XYZ' is better than my old 'Boca Grande Megatape Ultratech 1000'" isn't really that great of a test, yet such "reviews" are what most columns seems to be. So here goes, one Nakaphiliac's OPINION, for what that's worth. My currently running cassette decks are: Nakamichi 550, Nakamichi 600-II, Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, Revox B710 Mk. II, Marantz PMD-430, (H)Onkyo TA-RW11, and Pioneer CT-F7272. The Pioneer CT-F7272 is better than the Dragon, of course. (No, it isn't!) [For reasons of rampant mediocrity, we'll skip the Pioneer (a.k.a." Cryin'-Ear" in the 1970s), Onkyo and Marantz. Don't tell anyone I own these, please.] So here's a quick pro-audio review: Nakamichi 550: Excellent sound that is natural and clean yet has an infectious quality (high fun factor), excellent dynamic range and headroom because of IEC1 EQ. Open, airy spatial imaging, with a sense of depth and immediacy that is quite lifelike. Sound quality reminiscent of the better studio reel-to-reels. Hard to believe this is "only" a 1970s cassette deck! Studio quality in a portable package. STRENGTHS -- Outstanding limiter, very good microphone preamps, excellent meters, very good transport that is simple and practical, ability to fine-tune bias manually, easily cleaned and maintained, holds tape head azimuth very well over time, and lower subjective tape noise because of noise floor spectrum. WEAKNESSES -- awkward tape visibility, two-head design. Nakamichi 600-II: Excellent sound that is natural and clean yet has an infectious quality (high fun factor), excellent dynamic range and headroom because of IEC1 EQ. Open, airy spatial imaging, with a sense of depth and immediacy that is quite lifelike. Sound quality reminiscent of the better studio reel-to-reels. Hard to believe this is "only" a 1970s cassette deck! Studio quality and reliability with style. STRENGTHS -- Excellent meters, very good transport that is simple and practical, ability to fine-tune bias manually, ability to fine-tune Dolby Level manually, ability to select 70uS and 120 uS EQ for Chrome tape, very easily cleaned and maintained, holds tape head azimuth very well over time, and lower subjective tape noise because of noise floor spectrum. WEAKNESSES -- Two-head design, ski-slope cabinet doesn't stack well. Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000: Excellent dynamic range and very good headroom despite IEC2 EQ, excellent sound that is subtly flattering (a trademark of most B&O products, seemingly). Tight spatial imaging, with very good bass detail; "sweet" highs that seem clean but give the deck an almost dark character. Seems to emphasize styling and gadgets over substance. STRENGTHS -- Computer Controlled Calibration does a great job optimizing it for any tape, holds tape head azimuth well over time, and gentle tape handling. WEAKNESSES -- mediocre meters, very awkward lack of clear tape visibility that requires you use a tape end warning system, unpleasant to listen to without noise reduction, counter-intuitive procedure to put into record mode, DIN input-output, jacks only, marginal microphone preamps, mechanically ordinary and troublesome tape drive mechanism lacks the sophistication and refinement shown by Nakamichi decks (and to a lesser extent by Revox), two-head design, ski-slope cabinet doesn't stack well and is more of a top loader in concept than the Nak 600-II, and runs hot. Revox B710 Mk. II: Excellent dynamic range and headroom despite IEC2 EQ, excellent sound that is natural and clean, suggestive of a studio deck. tight spatial imaging, though lacking bass detail, which seems to typify Revox. Clean highs with almost a sense of airiness. A true "superdeck," although it always seems to need some tweaking or maintenance, making it finicky like a fine sports car. STRENGTHS -- Three head design, accurate peak meters, visually impressive in an intimidating way, excellent tape handling, excellent tape visibility, stackable front loader, built like a main battle tank, good mic preamps, mic/line input mixing, the best headphone amp I've heard in a cassette deck, perfect match to a Revox B77 (if you have one), and excellent snob appeal (if required.) WEAKNESSES -- calibration of bias, Eq and Dolby requires opening the deck up and performing elaborate and tedious procedures, thus you cannot get the peak performance of the deck unless you stick with only one type of cassette tape; dual-capstan, three motor tape drive can be troublesome to keep in top running order, doesn't hold tape head azimuth or any calibration settings well over time, runs hot, meters doesn't give good indication of average levels, and switch knobs are ridiculously fragile for a deck of this price. Best Sound with no noise reduction: Nakamichi 550 and 600-II, although the 550's limiter gives it a slight edge. Best Sound with Dolby B: Nakamichi 550 and 600-II because the Best Sound with Dolby C: Revox B710 by default. Best Sound with dbx: The Beocord 9000 has the best built-in dbx I've heard to date. Period. Nevertheless, connect an outboard dbx 222 or 224 to a naakmichi 600, switch its Dolby Off, choose Chrome tape, set EQ to 120 uS and you'll experience one of the best recordings of your life. As close to Big Label sound as you can get without sitting in a control room on Studio Wow! You'll understand my passion for the older Naks! Best Overall Sound: Hard to call. I'm addicted to the vivid spatial imaging and "fun sound" of my two Nakamichis, the Revox's "effortless excellence" is a pleasure in its own way, and the Beogram 9000's natural-yet-flattering sound is relaxing for casual listening. It's a close tie between the Naks and the Revox. The Revox has the standard IEC2 EQ, so I use it for making cassette masters. But that elusive quality of the Naks give them a slight edge for me personally, escpecially when used with an outboard dbx noise reduction. The Beogram 9000 is an excellent deck, but "The Best Deck?" When I read that assertion, I thought I was hallucinating. No, it isn't. Put a Beogram against any of the Nakamichis that have pad lifter tape mechanisms and the auto-azimuth adjustment and it will lose every time. Happy New Year to one and all -- may the great sounds be yours! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From pauro at tin.it Sat Jan 1 11:30:43 2005 From: pauro at tin.it (P. Rossi) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:30:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Adding yet another Nak References: <20050101014026.EDEFF17D42@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <001501c4efec$f31cae80$abd0fea9@microsoft> I have a CR7 owners manual in pdf format. Just let me know if you want it and I'll send it to you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] Adding yet another Nak > Hi all, > > In addition to the excellent Dragon, a CR-7A is en-route to me and I > think it will be an wonderful companion for the Dragon. > > Like any piece of audio equipment I collect, I would love to get > the owner and service manuals (PDF format is cool). Anyone has a > copy of these for the CR-7A handy? > > Thanks in advance... > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From transplata at aol.com Sat Jan 1 00:59:14 2005 From: transplata at aol.com (transplata at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:59:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi, I sent you a greeting from AOL E-Cards Message-ID: <200412312359.iBVNxEg12565@ecard-lc08b.iwebsys.aol.com> To view your greeting, choose from the options below. Click on the following link: http://www.pickup.aol.egreetings.com/view.pd?i=42460949&m=5438&rr=y&source=aole999 OR Copy and paste the above link into your web browser's "address" window. Thank you for using AOL E-Cards! From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Jan 1 13:50:53 2005 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:50:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year References: <20050101014026.EDEFF17D42@smtp.amb.org> <001501c4efec$f31cae80$abd0fea9@microsoft> Message-ID: <007901c4f000$87e40370$48f66391@mach1> Hi Guys, I remember the days that i bought a Elcaset..... Wow we getting older Happy Newyear to all Regards Norman From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 18:26:41 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:26:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year References: <20050101014026.EDEFF17D42@smtp.amb.org><001501c4efec$f31cae80$abd0fea9@microsoft> <007901c4f000$87e40370$48f66391@mach1> Message-ID: Good and better days to you all, and I wish you a Happy New Year to all those participate in this wonder called Naktalk, and keep your Naks alive as long as they deserve (for sooo long!). For me, cassette media is not a dying one. Or if it is, I don't care.... I have some 500+ blank cassettes (unopened), and surely will last longer than I will ever need. Though I hope the world will be better, I can't even understand the WHY of that Tsunami-event. Just on Christmas-day... We are so vulnerable... Keep on! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year > Hi Guys, > > I remember the days that i bought a Elcaset..... Wow we getting older > > Happy Newyear to all > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 17:02:33 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:02:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have it's still sitting on top of my Audio Researce pre/amp. >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:02:01 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 17:13:01 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:13:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" Message-ID: Gra: Happy new year! I would love to return to the UK again, was there on my honeymoon....stayed just outside of London in a place called Paddington.....great old hotel..."The Great Western" I remember thinking that "Brits" consume tons of sweet drinks, cakes, cookies....man you people sure have a sweet tooth! On the next to the last day there I had to get a hi-fi fix, so I went into London and gawked at gear at several electronics establishments......some of the single-ended amps were beautiful! As were the then current Nakamichi models. N >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:54:34 -0000 > >Wow, Neil! That must be some woman you have there, buddy, Does she have a >sister? I'm thinking of trading mine in for a newer model ... > >But watch out for those high temperatures ... 50' ... global warming ... >save energy by sharing the shower ... probably after that Sangria and >Cognac. > >I've saving energy by sleeping more and grilling my food on the heat sink >of my Sugden A21 ... it gets hot ... > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 31 December 2004 17:32 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" > > > > > > Nelson: > > > > Getting ready to travel the mile and a half to Times Square, and > > ring in the > > new year!.. Temps here in NYC are about 50 degrees...for this > > time of year > > that....is amazing! > > > > Am taking out my wife for a lobster dinner at the top place for > > the creature > > in NYC.....I've reserved a nice ten pounder....and told the > > management the > > Sangria I want cut with Cognac...this will allow the wife to take > > advantage > > of me later this evening! > > > > Neil > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" > > >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:08:05 -0000 > > > > > >Of course our favorite format is dead - that's WHY we're called > > >Nakophiliacs ... hee hee! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > > > Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY" > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan: > > > > > > > > No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel > > decks which > > > > bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important > > >"tweak" > > > > factor! What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter > > > > for an Akai > > > > M-6 recorder? > > > > > > > > Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best... > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > NYC, NY. > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > > it's FREE! > > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 17:38:53 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:38:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: List: no longer a "FAMILY In-Reply-To: <3B09FBEE-5B69-11D9-8D4F-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: Fred: My sister friend actually left NYC to open a bagel shop up in Portland...amazing! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: List: no longer a "FAMILY >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:19:10 -0800 > >Greetings Nakkers, >Well, I can't speak to the "old days" as I'm a relative new-comer (2 years >and counting), but I love this list. I've learned an enormous amount from >the experts here, who are amazingly generous with their time and display >amazing tolerance of idiots like me. I also deeply appreciate the >opportunity to talk with people all around the world. For better or worse >(I'd say worse), the US is very insular; even in a big city like Portland >it's hard, sometimes, to feel connected to the rest of the world. Naktalk >helps me feel I have that connection, through a mutual love of good >electronics and good music. > >Yeah, there's been some slander and squabbling on the list, but as someone >else already pointed out, that is how families behave. As long we remain >civil and recognize that our similarities are more important than our >differences, I'm all for a heated exchange and often some good can come of >it. Stephen did get raked over the coals, but he also had a number of >staunch defenders and received some truly heart-felt offers of help and >testimonials. And that's a good thing. > >So I think we should all be proud of our Nakaphilia and fellow >Nakaphiliacs. In today's political climate, that any group of diverse >individuals are talking to each other at all should be considered a victory >for humanity. > >On this New Year's Eve, then, I want to wish every Nakker a happy, healthy >and peaceful New Year. I especially want to send all those in Southeast >Asia my hopes that they are safe and well and my deepest sympathy for any >losses. I wish there was more I could do than send money to Oxfam. >affectionately, >Fred > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 18:34:12 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:34:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello to all my Magyar friends! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year >Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:26:41 +0100 > >Good and better days to you all, >and I wish you a Happy New Year to all those participate in this wonder >called Naktalk, and keep your Naks alive as long as they deserve (for sooo >long!). > >For me, cassette media is not a dying one. Or if it is, I don't care.... I >have some 500+ blank cassettes (unopened), and surely will last longer than >I will ever need. > >Though I hope the world will be better, I can't even understand the WHY of >that Tsunami-event. Just on Christmas-day... > >We are so vulnerable... > >Keep on! >Istv�n > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:50 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year > > >>Hi Guys, >> >>I remember the days that i bought a Elcaset..... Wow we getting older >> >>Happy Newyear to all >>Regards Norman >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From valman13440 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 19:16:52 2005 From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:16:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] "Epitaxial" and "Super Avilyn" Just buzz words? Message-ID: <20050101181653.7792.qmail@web40609.mail.yahoo.com> Words like "Super Avilyn" and "Epitaxial" and "Black Magnetite" are these just brand specific buzz words,and are'nt they all just Cobalt doped ferric oxides.Is there a difference between the makeup in Cobalts and ferric's that different company's use?Is it the shape of the particles that makes one tape sound different than the other or is it something else?Pretty much in my own experience on my Nak ZX-7 and my Akai GX-8 the only differnce i can here is in the high end,TDK SA-X seems to be a little brighter in the high end as compared to XLII-S but XLII-S seems to be a bit more "Warm" sounding.What in the tape manufacturing process makes one tape warm and another tape bright.I'm just curious in the science of blank cassette manufacturing and there is no place on the web that folks can discuss blank analog media anymore with everthing digital now..Peace and Happy New Year to all and thanks for any help..Keith. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sat Jan 1 20:14:39 2005 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:14:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7DB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Tom - r u sure about Sony? Sony and Philips were first with the CD, but cassette I thought was just Philips (?) As far as TDK and Maxell, I feel it was also TDK. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? It was actually Philips and Sony. But my guess would be TDK. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2004 4:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Does anyone know who came out with a blank compact cassette first,Maxell or TDK?I know TDK is a older company than Maxell but was just curious as to who introduced the first blank cassette of these two company's?Thanks for any insight..Keith. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bhonhoff at dds.nl Sat Jan 1 21:24:57 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:24:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1104611097.41d70719bea2f@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, until 1963, when Philips came along with the Compact Cassette, there were several companies in Europe as well in the US, which after the fast development of better quality consumer reel recorders, which tried to initiate small, pocketable recorders and tapes. In the US the 8-track is the most known effort. In Europe, famous brands all had their own try: Grundig (small tape in a round box, like a dictafone, with a 'pickup' reel) Telefunken (Cassette was the size of a small pocketbook, slightly larger then the Compact Cassette) Normende, BASF. The problem with all the European Initiatives was, that other companies had to pay (large) amounts of money to adapt/use these systems. Philips then introduced around 1963 the Philips Compact Cassette. Everybody was allowed to develop cassette-recorders as long as they stick to some rules: 4,75 cm/sec, 2-track, playing from left to right. There were in the beginning no exceptions allowed. (Unless Philips (re-)branded them, off course) >From the 2-track mono, the 4-track stereo was developed in 1964/1965. The first blank tapes were of course Philips. And the following brands were most likely other european brands like AGFA, BASF, which were later OEMed as Grundig, Telefunken, Greatz, Tandberg tapes. (Tandberg moved around 1980 from BASF to MAXELL for there CC-tapes) Why not Japanese brands? Well, really simple. The US market didn't pick up the cassette that quickly, since the 8-track was populair. The US market started actually after the development of higher quality cassette recorders by Japanese Brands. (The first 'Fisher' Cassette Recorder (1968) was a rebranded Nak 500 in small case. I'll put a picture of that recorder on my web shortly) The popularity in Europe started slowly and wasn't taken seriously untill Nakamichi came along and as ReVox decided to build a Cassette-Recorder as well, it was finally recognized that the cassette-recorder from 1963 (300-8000Hz) finally was developed in a high quality recording machine, which dynamics and frequency-response could match reel-taperecorders. bart BTW. I'll put a picture of the first Philips Cassette-Recorder of 1963 on the web in a few days as well. Quoting Stan Targowski : > Tom - r u sure about Sony? Sony and Philips were first with the CD, but > cassette I thought was just Philips (?) > > As far as TDK and Maxell, I feel it was also TDK. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:07 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > It was actually Philips and Sony. But my guess would be TDK. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2004 4:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? > > > Does anyone know who came out with a blank compact > cassette first,Maxell or TDK?I know TDK is a older > company than Maxell but was just curious as to who > introduced the first blank cassette of these two > company's?Thanks for any insight..Keith. > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 1 09:17:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:17:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c4efda$451c2d40$ead5883e@oemcomputer> Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you feed 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? Gra' > From bhonhoff at dds.nl Sat Jan 1 22:19:40 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:19:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year In-Reply-To: <000501c4efda$451c2d40$ead5883e@oemcomputer> References: <000501c4efda$451c2d40$ead5883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1104614380.41d713ecb9c20@webmail.dds.nl> No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave enough to fight the Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. szilveszterik Budapest! Quoting Nelson : > Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" > > Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you feed > 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Jan 2 07:27:08 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:27:08 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: I think that's probably right. Maxell is a subsidiary of Hitachi. Hitachi started a a range that later had equivalents within the new Maxell range (which were the same product) and then later Hitachi stopped the "Hitachi" brand altogether. Those who know the Hitachi ME metal will probably be aware that this was the same tape as the Maxell MX. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 01/01/05 03:07AM >>> It was actually Philips and Sony. But my guess would be TDK. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2004 4:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Does anyone know who came out with a blank compact cassette first,Maxell or TDK?I know TDK is a older company than Maxell but was just curious as to who introduced the first blank cassette of these two company's?Thanks for any insight..Keith. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sun Jan 2 08:55:18 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:55:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year References: <000501c4efda$451c2d40$ead5883e@oemcomputer> <1104614380.41d713ecb9c20@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: Surely neither (nor Gremlins nor fighters). My mother was born in just 1956, so to me this historical event is not that bitter, than to the elder generation. Damn it, Hungary is still counted as a forgotten slave-country of the Big Russian Bear??? I am not angry with this, but really being curious to know if it is... Sorry for being off-topic. It is strange for me that noone from the former "communist" countries are here... am I wrong? If yes, please let me know... :-) Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "bart honhoff" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year > No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave enough to fight > the > Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. > > szilveszterik Budapest! > > > Quoting Nelson : > >> Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" >> >> Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you feed >> 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Jan 2 09:49:39 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:49:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - Eastern Europeans anyone ? In-Reply-To: References: <000501c4efda$451c2d40$ead5883e@oemcomputer> <1104614380.41d713ecb9c20@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <518b7b1050102004949c7bcce@mail.gmail.com> No Istvan, you are not alone here. I am Bulgarian and we also had a few friends from Russia (the Niks, Vladimir?)and the Ukraine (Misha?) - actually what happened with you guys, are you still out there ? George On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:55:18 +0100, Sándor István wrote: > Surely neither (nor Gremlins nor fighters). > My mother was born in just 1956, so to me this historical event is not that > bitter, than to the elder generation. > > Damn it, Hungary is still counted as a forgotten slave-country of the Big > Russian Bear??? > > I am not angry with this, but really being curious to know if it is... > Sorry for being off-topic. It is strange for me that noone from the former > "communist" countries are here... am I wrong? If yes, please let me know... > :-) > > Kind regards, > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bart honhoff" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year > > > No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave enough to fight > > the > > Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. > > > > szilveszterik Budapest! > > > > > > Quoting Nelson : > > > >> Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" > >> > >> Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you feed > >> 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Jan 2 08:53:04 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:53:04 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] "Epitaxial" and "Super Avilyn" Just buzz words? Message-ID: Hi Keith, The majority of formulae have similarities, from a simplistic point of view. However, there are a tremendous variation in techniques, doping by immersion and vapour depositing being but two. Cobalt is the commonest dope but there is significant chemical altering bought into to play, in order to achieve a specific result. Hitachi-Maxell used a complex ionisation process to produce a low-mass particle that would have high magnetic retention/low de-gauss voltage requirements. Taiyo Yuden (That's) tried very hard to replicate Hitachi's methods. Particles size, shapes and treatments vary greatly. TDK, when developing the early type IIs that would become "SA" sought to mimic the low noise floor of the pure, natural CrO2 types that had just entered the market. But they were under pressure (from the Japanese Dept of Trade and Industry) to use particles that were high in retentivity and low in coercivity - as low as possible to the 280 oersted area without affecting MOL too badly. Their partlicle/dope combo became "avylin". BASF and Scotch did not use cobalt or any alteration of it till '94 or so. BASF especially were the flag carriers for genuine chromium dioxide coatings which had an unmistakable sound and needed sympathetic handling when recording. Not to mention that they also needed higher head voltages to magnetise and erase. Just to keep us on our toes, the better type 1s (AD, AR, UD1 etc) use doping fomulae too. Most magnetic tape resources on the net over-simplify the classification of tape. In fairness to them though, the IEC tried for years to get manufacturers to conform to standards that they set and reset on a regular basis. BASF were frequently very close to the "standards". But as usual, and as with any regualtory authority, private enterprise's main concern was getting an edge on the competition. And this meant pitching some kind of technical/performance advantage at the consumer. They did this by reworking the formulas (as can be seen year after year in the changes in cassette measured performances). Simply put, if it measures differently, it'll sound different. Comprehensive calibration facilities (such as you have on decks like the GX-8 and the ZX-7) will go quite some way to nullifying (or "smoothing out") the characteristics that different tapes exhibit. Personally, I like the differences - that's what makes magnetic recording far more rewarding than other methods. And finally, if you find a place on the web to discuss blank tape media - let me know. But you can talk about it as much as you like here (perhaps on "audiotalk"). After all, a Nak is not up to much without tape!! Cheers, Marc >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/01/05 08:16PM >>> Words like "Super Avilyn" and "Epitaxial" and "Black Magnetite" are these just brand specific buzz words,and are'nt they all just Cobalt doped ferric oxides.Is there a difference between the makeup in Cobalts and ferric's that different company's use?Is it the shape of the particles that makes one tape sound different than the other or is it something else?Pretty much in my own experience on my Nak ZX-7 and my Akai GX-8 the only differnce i can here is in the high end,TDK SA-X seems to be a little brighter in the high end as compared to XLII-S but XLII-S seems to be a bit more "Warm" sounding.What in the tape manufacturing process makes one tape warm and another tape bright.I'm just curious in the science of blank cassette manufacturing and there is no place on the web that folks can discuss blank analog media anymore with everthing digital now..Peace and Happy New Year to all and thanks for any help..Keith. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Jan 2 08:58:40 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:58:40 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year Message-ID: Hi Istvan, PLease tell me about your blank cassette collection. What they are, where and when you got them etc. I have a quite a nice variety now. I know Mr Beus has a glorius stock of tapes - Maxell MX-S, Maxell XLII-S, TDK MA-XG and MA-EX. Cheers, Marc >>> sandorpistike at hotmail.com 01/02/05 09:55AM >>> Surely neither (nor Gremlins nor fighters). My mother was born in just 1956, so to me this historical event is not that bitter, than to the elder generation. Damn it, Hungary is still counted as a forgotten slave-country of the Big Russian Bear??? I am not angry with this, but really being curious to know if it is... Sorry for being off-topic. It is strange for me that noone from the former "communist" countries are here... am I wrong? If yes, please let me know... :-) Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "bart honhoff" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year > No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave enough to fight > the > Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. > > szilveszterik Budapest! > > > Quoting Nelson : > >> Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" >> >> Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you feed >> 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 23:51:07 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:51:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year In-Reply-To: <1104614380.41d713ecb9c20@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: They put up a hell of a fight...........but the Soviets just came in and well you know the rest! >From: bart honhoff >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year >Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:19:40 +0100 > >No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave enough to fight >the >Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. > >szilveszterik Budapest! > > >Quoting Nelson : > > > Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" > > > > Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you >feed > > 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 2 13:03:51 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:03:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: If my memory serves me correctly, Phillips(Europe) designed and introduced the Compact Cassette (as an audio format NOT as a dictation medium!!) way before their collaborations with the Sony Corp! Around the early 1960's I think? The first "Chrome" formulations where by BASF and first retailed in Europe together with Dolby "B" in the early 70's. These tapes, combined with mainstream upmarket machines from the likes of Teac, Tandburg Neal and Akai started the "Hi Fi" cassette format ball rolling big time (thank God! or we could have ended up with Nak.and ReVox 8 tracks! yuk!). Nakamichi was there, but boy you had to be well endowed (Cash wise that is!) to go that way! I went with the Akai.GXC65D, this machine was the first machine to turn the tape Mechanincally to access the second side ( what a party trick! and the reason Nakamichi never claimed to have invented the auto-reverse mech!) The Akai also had Dolby "B", could take the new "Chrome" tapes, and boasted a "GXC" (Glass crystal ferrite) Head with a lifelong warrantee. The BASF chrome tapes where all 120s and although very expensive (and very abrasive!!) gave amazing results! The housings and mechs where claimed to be a bit special. I have just found some I recorded earlier (1974!) and dug out the Akai tape deck from the storeroom. The results are still very good (if you ignore the dropout and cross talk) I have about 30 of these tapes and not one ever snagged or stretched. If my memory serves me correctly, the abrasiveness was a big problem with "softer" heads than the Akai's. The Germans ruled the roost in Europe for Chrome tapes, the other manufacturers just used BASF tapes "Badge Engineered", I have some of these as well, The Japanese "high pos" IEC11 / Type11 tapes came along later in the form of Maxell and TDK, I never had much success with them, I was used to a 120 minute cassette by then! and whenever I tried Jap 120 tapes they stretched or broke!. so I stayed with the German formulations for a long time untill they started using a non chrome IEC11 and the quality dropped!. I have never recorded or played one of these tapes on a Nak. and don't intend to! ( the abrasive thing) so have no idea how they would perform today. I ,being new to this forum was quite amazed by the extraordinary postings that have appeared over the last week! you know, the ones dealing with the Ebay sale of the "Professional" Nak, the "Family" ones and the Trigger happy Americans" ones. Good God! We are in the throws of a natural disaster of epic proportions, and a so called "non-war" which is turning into some kind of West Vs the Moslems crusade! lead by El Supremo Bush and His sidekick Blair! who together are out on some world domination thingie! As to your excuses that purport all families act this way, Mine doesn't! and I am sure this is the case with many others, Possibly the "average" family is now so dysfunctional that mine is in the minority? I really hope not!! Please tell me that this is not the norm for Naktalk? In a "reel to reel" Yahoo forum not to long ago I witnessed a month of thread domination by members sh-t throwing! nowt to do with reel to reel! That caused me to loose interest big time!! Hopefully you have all got your gripes off your chests and this forum can get back to talking Nakamichi! Oh, thanks for the advice on my ZX7. it is going for repair to B & W this week. Lets all hope for a good 2005 Colin Marsh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 2 00:52:50 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:52:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c4f05d$005df980$ead5883e@oemcomputer> There are, or were, a few Russians in this club. Not sure if they are still members because they've been rather quiet for some time. And there is George from Bulgaria. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Sándor István > Sent: 02 January 2005 07:55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year > > > Surely neither (nor Gremlins nor fighters). > My mother was born in just 1956, so to me this historical event > is not that > bitter, than to the elder generation. > > Damn it, Hungary is still counted as a forgotten slave-country of the Big > Russian Bear??? > > I am not angry with this, but really being curious to know if it is... > Sorry for being off-topic. It is strange for me that noone from > the former > "communist" countries are here... am I wrong? If yes, please let > me know... > :-) > > Kind regards, > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bart honhoff" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year > > > > No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave > enough to fight > > the > > Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. > > > > szilveszterik Budapest! > > > > > > Quoting Nelson : > > > >> Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" > >> > >> Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins > if you feed > >> 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 2 01:06:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:06:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003201c4f05e$f81479a0$ead5883e@oemcomputer> Colin said: "As to your excuses that purport all families act this way, Mine doesn't! " In that case, will you adopt me, please? Not enough to live in a dysfunctional family, I work in a DWE (dysfunctional work environment). So, please give me a job, too. And I haven't even got a social worker or "shrink", either, damn it!! But I talk to my Nak ZX-9 ... it answers me, too, you know .... (sings) "lah, lah, lah, lah ..." Where's my medication? I've forgotten it again .... Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 02 January 2005 12:04 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? If my memory serves me correctly, Phillips(Europe) designed and introduced the Compact Cassette (as an audio format NOT as a dictation medium!!) way before their collaborations with the Sony Corp! Around the early 1960's I think? The first "Chrome" formulations where by BASF and first retailed in Europe together with Dolby "B" in the early 70's. These tapes, combined with mainstream upmarket machines from the likes of Teac, Tandburg Neal and Akai started the "Hi Fi" cassette format ball rolling big time (thank God! or we could have ended up with Nak.and ReVox 8 tracks! yuk!). Nakamichi was there, but boy you had to be well endowed (Cash wise that is!) to go that way! I went with the Akai.GXC65D, this machine was the first machine to turn the tape Mechanincally to access the second side ( what a party trick! and the reason Nakamichi never claimed to have invented the auto-reverse mech!) The Akai also had Dolby "B", could take the new "Chrome" tapes, and boasted a "GXC" (Glass crystal ferrite) Head with a lifelong warrantee. The BASF chrome tapes where all 120s and although very expensive (and very abrasive!!) gave amazing results! The housings and mechs where claimed to be a bit special. I have just found some I recorded earlier (1974!) and dug out the Akai tape deck from the storeroom. The results are still very good (if you ignore the dropout and cross talk) I have about 30 of these tapes and not one ever snagged or stretched. If my memory serves me correctly, the abrasiveness was a big problem with "softer" heads than the Akai's. The Germans ruled the roost in Europe for Chrome tapes, the other manufacturers just used BASF tapes "Badge Engineered", I have some of these as well, The Japanese "high pos" IEC11 / Type11 tapes came along later in the form of Maxell and TDK, I never had much success with them, I was used to a 120 minute cassette by then! and whenever I tried Jap 120 tapes they stretched or broke!. so I stayed with the German formulations for a long time untill they started using a non chrome IEC11 and the quality dropped!. I have never recorded or played one of these tapes on a Nak. and don't intend to! ( the abrasive thing) so have no idea how they would perform today. I ,being new to this forum was quite amazed by the extraordinary postings that have appeared over the last week! you know, the ones dealing with the Ebay sale of the "Professional" Nak, the "Family" ones and the Trigger happy Americans" ones. Good God! We are in the throws of a natural disaster of epic proportions, and a so called "non-war" which is turning into some kind of West Vs the Moslems crusade! lead by El Supremo Bush and His sidekick Blair! who together are out on some world domination thingie! As to your excuses that purport all families act this way, Mine doesn't! and I am sure this is the case with many others, Possibly the "average" family is now so dysfunctional that mine is in the minority? I really hope not!! Please tell me that this is not the norm for Naktalk? In a "reel to reel" Yahoo forum not to long ago I witnessed a month of thread domination by members sh-t throwing! nowt to do with reel to reel! That caused me to loose interest big time!! Hopefully you have all got your gripes off your chests and this forum can get back to talking Nakamichi! Oh, thanks for the advice on my ZX7. it is going for repair to B & W this week. Lets all hope for a good 2005 Colin Marsh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 14:36:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 05:36:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050102133624.43133.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Colin, Some of us here, including myself are from that forum. I saw it all. But there are some shoddy characters there who do spoil the show from time to time. But there are the better guys who, besides heping us, are great people, and good friends. They give us another reason, besides the reels themselves to be in the list. So lets not leave the show halfway because of these. Even here in naktalk, as in everyother list, there is a mix. With so much to learn about both the machines and people, I would take it as a learning opportunity. God Bless Bala --- Colin Marsh wrote: > If my memory serves me correctly, Phillips(Europe) > designed and introduced > the Compact Cassette (as an audio format NOT as a > dictation medium!!) way > before their collaborations with the Sony Corp! > Around the early 1960's I > think? The first "Chrome" formulations where by > BASF and first retailed in > Europe together with Dolby "B" in the early 70's. > These tapes, combined > with mainstream upmarket machines from the likes of > Teac, Tandburg Neal and > Akai started the "Hi Fi" cassette format ball > rolling big time (thank God! > or we could have ended up with Nak.and ReVox 8 > tracks! yuk!). Nakamichi > was there, but boy you had to be well endowed (Cash > wise that is!) to go > that way! I went with the Akai.GXC65D, this > machine was the first machine > to turn the tape Mechanincally to access the second > side ( what a party > trick! and the reason Nakamichi never claimed to > have invented the > auto-reverse mech!) The Akai also had Dolby "B", > could take the new > "Chrome" tapes, and boasted a "GXC" (Glass crystal > ferrite) Head with a > lifelong warrantee. The BASF chrome tapes where all > 120s and although very > expensive (and very abrasive!!) gave amazing > results! The housings and > mechs where claimed to be a bit special. I have > just found some I recorded > earlier (1974!) and dug out the Akai tape deck from > the storeroom. The > results are still very good (if you ignore the > dropout and cross talk) I > have about 30 of these tapes and not one ever > snagged or stretched. If my > memory serves me correctly, the abrasiveness was a > big problem with "softer" > heads than the Akai's. The Germans ruled the roost > in Europe for Chrome > tapes, the other manufacturers just used BASF tapes > "Badge Engineered", I > have some of these as well, The Japanese "high pos" > IEC11 / Type11 tapes > came along later in the form of Maxell and TDK, I > never had much success > with them, I was used to a 120 minute cassette by > then! and whenever I > tried Jap 120 tapes they stretched or broke!. so I > stayed with the German > formulations for a long time untill they started > using a non chrome IEC11 > and the quality dropped!. I have never recorded or > played one of these > tapes on a Nak. and don't intend to! ( the abrasive > thing) so have no idea > how they would perform today. > I ,being new to this forum was quite amazed by the > extraordinary postings > that have appeared over the last week! you know, the > ones dealing with the > Ebay sale of the "Professional" Nak, the "Family" > ones and the Trigger happy > Americans" ones. Good God! We are in the throws > of a natural disaster of > epic proportions, and a so called "non-war" which > is turning into some kind > of West Vs the Moslems crusade! lead by El Supremo > Bush and His sidekick > Blair! who together are out on some world domination > thingie! As to your > excuses that purport all families act this way, > Mine doesn't! and I am > sure this is the case with many others, Possibly > the "average" family is > now so dysfunctional that mine is in the minority? > I really hope not!! > Please tell me that this is not the norm for > Naktalk? In a "reel to reel" > Yahoo forum not to long ago I witnessed a month of > thread domination by > members sh-t throwing! nowt to do with reel to > reel! That caused me to > loose interest big time!! Hopefully you have all > got your gripes off your > chests and this forum can get back to talking > Nakamichi! Oh, thanks for > the advice on my ZX7. it is going for repair to B & > W this week. > > Lets all hope for a good 2005 > > Colin Marsh > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 2 14:39:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:39:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Epitaxial" and "Super Avilyn" Just buzz words? References: Message-ID: Hi Mark! Now Fuji, remain here in Israel, the only cassette that I can obtain regularly, and have the "Double Coating" layer...it's Black instead dark brown! For "A DOLLAR" each Z=2, 90 minutes...it's OK for my needs!!! Happy Listening to all of you! ALEX! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Epitaxial" and "Super Avilyn" Just buzz words? > Hi Keith, > > The majority of formulae have similarities, from a simplistic point of > view. However, there are a tremendous variation in techniques, doping > by immersion and vapour depositing being but two. Cobalt is the > commonest dope but there is significant chemical altering bought into to > play, in order to achieve a specific result. Hitachi-Maxell used a > complex ionisation process to produce a low-mass particle that would > have high magnetic retention/low de-gauss voltage requirements. Taiyo > Yuden (That's) tried very hard to replicate Hitachi's methods. > Particles size, shapes and treatments vary greatly. > > TDK, when developing the early type IIs that would become "SA" sought > to mimic the low noise floor of the pure, natural CrO2 types that had > just entered the market. But they were under pressure (from the > Japanese Dept of Trade and Industry) to use particles that were high in > retentivity and low in coercivity - as low as possible to the 280 > oersted area without affecting MOL too badly. Their partlicle/dope combo > became "avylin". > > BASF and Scotch did not use cobalt or any alteration of it till '94 or > so. BASF especially were the flag carriers for genuine chromium dioxide > coatings which had an unmistakable sound and needed sympathetic handling > when recording. Not to mention that they also needed higher head > voltages to magnetise and erase. > > Just to keep us on our toes, the better type 1s (AD, AR, UD1 etc) use > doping fomulae too. > > Most magnetic tape resources on the net over-simplify the > classification of tape. In fairness to them though, the IEC tried for > years to get manufacturers to conform to standards that they set and > reset on a regular basis. BASF were frequently very close to the > "standards". But as usual, and as with any regualtory authority, > private enterprise's main concern was getting an edge on the > competition. And this meant pitching some kind of technical/performance > advantage at the consumer. They did this by reworking the formulas (as > can be seen year after year in the changes in cassette measured > performances). Simply put, if it measures differently, it'll sound > different. > > Comprehensive calibration facilities (such as you have on decks like > the GX-8 and the ZX-7) will go quite some way to nullifying (or > "smoothing out") the characteristics that different tapes exhibit. > Personally, I like the differences - that's what makes magnetic > recording far more rewarding than other methods. > > And finally, if you find a place on the web to discuss blank tape media > - let me know. But you can talk about it as much as you like here > (perhaps on "audiotalk"). After all, a Nak is not up to much without > tape!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > >>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/01/05 08:16PM >>> > Words like "Super Avilyn" and "Epitaxial" and "Black > Magnetite" are these just brand specific buzz > words,and are'nt they all just Cobalt doped ferric > oxides.Is there a difference between the makeup in > Cobalts and ferric's that different company's use?Is > it the shape of the particles that makes one tape > sound different than the other or is it something > else?Pretty much in my own experience on my Nak ZX-7 > and my Akai GX-8 the only differnce i can here is in > the high end,TDK SA-X seems to be a little brighter in > the high end as compared to XLII-S but XLII-S seems to > be a bit more "Warm" sounding.What in the tape > manufacturing process makes one tape warm and another > tape bright.I'm just curious in the science of blank > cassette manufacturing and there is no place on the > web that folks can discuss blank analog media anymore > with everthing digital now..Peace and Happy New Year > to all and thanks for any help..Keith. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:42:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: <20161-41D82464-38@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 percent of americans. Regarding your political accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed appropriate. thank you very much, gerald From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Jan 2 18:08:28 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:08:28 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, etc. Welcome Colin!! Message-ID: Brilliant. Gerald, don't disappear. This twaddle isn't serious enough. If you disappear, I'm getting in my hummer, oh alright, my Fiat Uno and coming to find you. And a big welcome to Colin!! Colin, I know that Phillips and Sony worked on compact deic together, but I was always under the impression that Philloips did cassette on their own. But my history is a bit rusty, so you have piqued my interest in this again. By the by, are you in the UK - I see you're having your deck service by B+W. Cheers, Marc >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 01/02/05 06:42PM >>> Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 percent of americans. Regarding your political accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed appropriate. thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sun Jan 2 17:57:38 2005 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:57:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - Eastern Europeans anyone ? In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050102004949c7bcce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I was born and raised in Warsaw, Poland. This is where my passion for recording media started, including learning about the first Nakamichi tape decks, including 1000ZXL, 58x series, etc. I remember, in say 1980, $20 would pay for food for family of 3 for a month, and TDK D-90 was $1.60. We used to have stores, "Pewex", where you could purchase merchandise with western currencies. A big event for me was to get an Agfa Metal tape, $6.40 for a C-90, or Fuji FR-metal for same. Tape decks of the time, that my friends and I could put our hands on, where low-end Japanese models, Technics RS-M5/8, Sony TCK-5, JVC KD-A11 ... Technics RS-M260 with 3 heads was a dream, not to mention JVC KD-A8 or KD-A77. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - Eastern Europeans anyone ? No Istvan, you are not alone here. I am Bulgarian and we also had a few friends from Russia (the Niks, Vladimir?)and the Ukraine (Misha?) - actually what happened with you guys, are you still out there ? George On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:55:18 +0100, Sándor István wrote: > Surely neither (nor Gremlins nor fighters). > My mother was born in just 1956, so to me this historical event is not that > bitter, than to the elder generation. > > Damn it, Hungary is still counted as a forgotten slave-country of the Big > Russian Bear??? > > I am not angry with this, but really being curious to know if it is... > Sorry for being off-topic. It is strange for me that noone from the former > "communist" countries are here... am I wrong? If yes, please let me know... > :-) > > Kind regards, > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bart honhoff" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year > > > No, the guy is talking to all those people who were brave enough to fight > > the > > Russians in 1956. But were left alone by the rest of the world. > > > > szilveszterik Budapest! > > > > > > Quoting Nelson : > > > >> Neil said "Hello to all my Magyar friends!" > >> > >> Magyar ... are they the little fellows tat turn into Gremlins if you feed > >> 'em after Midnight, also known as Orange Caps?? > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Sun Jan 2 19:10:52 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:10:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: <20161-41D82464-38@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000601c4f0f6$65937480$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Am I still on the NakTalk list, or have I been switched to a list about dysfunctional families and "politics"? I'm not quite sure how many different groups you attempted to offend with your post, but it was certainly more than just conservative rednecks who drive SUV's (or is that anyone who drives a SUV is a conservative redneck, or anyone who is a redneck is a conservative who drives a SUV?). -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net From: "Gerald G." > Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is > more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family > issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a > favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one > now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would > certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of > course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there > is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed > white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me > continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my > parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american > middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have > manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it > did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has > been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a > succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his > parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from > unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but > hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body > itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the > point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply > cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont > know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives > in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that > from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. > George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American > trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 > percent of americans. Regarding your political > accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can > understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a > gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive > around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so > while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" > priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill > saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont > know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack > booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so > srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. > Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply > to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were > dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in > my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i > wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished > and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and > henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and > intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed > appropriate. > > thank you very much, > gerald From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 19:35:47 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:35:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, etc. Welcome Colin!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050102183547.97192.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> I think Sony was more interested in developing reel decks. Their entry into cassettes was done more thru Aiwa then their own. Talking about Aiwa, does anyone have info on their F990 and XK009 decks? I have both of these to fix. Bala --- Mark Hugo wrote: > Brilliant. Gerald, don't disappear. This twaddle > isn't serious enough. > If you disappear, I'm getting in my hummer, oh > alright, my Fiat Uno and > coming to find you. > > And a big welcome to Colin!! Colin, I know that > Phillips and Sony > worked on compact deic together, but I was always > under the impression > that Philloips did cassette on their own. But my > history is a bit > rusty, so you have piqued my interest in this again. > > By the by, are you in the UK - I see you're having > your deck service by > B+W. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 01/02/05 06:42PM >>> > Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the > naktalk.this post is > more of a direct answer to you on your mention of > some of the family > issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of > this by now to do me > a > favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip > to the next one > now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional > famlty,and i would > certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up > as mine.Of > course,all familys have their problems,that goes > withot saying,and > there > is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of > ethnically > cleansed > white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having > said that,let me > continue. I come from a upper middle class American > family .All of my > parents friends and acquantances have some symptom > of the american > middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even > though it may not have > manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse > to the extent that > it > did in my beloved family..One friend,an > Eingenieer,has a son that has > been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has > a son who is a > succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let > him visit his > parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others > have disease from > unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could > go on and on,but > hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I > think,that when the body > itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in > your brief and to the > point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part > of that body > simply > cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of > this disease. I dont > know about the other classes,sometimes i think the > working class lives > in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say > for certain that > from my obsevation,that their problems are as > numerous,or even worse. > George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in > assuming an American > trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at > least about 53 > percent of americans. Regarding your political > accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so > anti-imperalist -i can > understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol > was recently 1.65 > a > gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who > wants to drive > around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass > guzzlers can do > so > while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for > our "Blameless" > priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding > murederer-wants to kill > saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his > oil-well idont > know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, > there are enoughjack > booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm > sorry to be so > srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any > conservatives-NO IM NOT. > Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post > everbody,by way of a reply > to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all > american familys > were > dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds > flocking together " > in > my particular instance,and that I am out of touch > with reality(as if i > wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one > post to go > unpunished > and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a > NAk. 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Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 01:10:44 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:10:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive availableforconverting your BX or RX series In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103001044.53149.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Martin sorry I could not reply you immediately. My mechanism has a defective mode cam motor. So you cannot use my mech and another person wants rest of the mechanism for gear drive mod. Ron is one of our experienced electronic design engineer. You better take his help as that would be the cheapest alternative you have. I also had opened the motor and removed the deadspot and used the same later on another Nak. The spare control motor from Nak would be expensive. hope this info is helpful. My new year wishes to you and your family kannan martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: Hi Kannan Thanks for your reply. I am not the one who will replace the control motor but a supposedly Nak expert here in Montreal. Unfortunately he is unwilling or unable to rebulid the existing one and since he cannot get the part (he claims Nakamichi went bankrupt and no longer provides pars) I am doing the leg work in order to provide him with a control motor for My CR3. I have had an offer from a Nak tech I contacted through Naktalk named Ron who is willing to rebuild the control motor for free. Talk about Nak solidarity. However, if I find a used one (yours perhaps) I can spare him the trouble. Have a happy and peaceful new year and do keep in touch Martin >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive availableforconverting your BX or RX series >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:46:48 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Martin > this mechanism contains control motor as well. I do not have the base motherboard ( all are in San Jose with my brother) to test but think that it works. I will wait and see whether anybody requires the whole stuff or only gear drive parts without the control motor. Do you really know how to replace the control motor? ? >few days or take the whole mechanism if you wish >wait >kannan >martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > >do you have a control motor for the CR2? > >Martin > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Nak Cassette Deck list > >Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive available forconverting your BX or RX series > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:49:09 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi guys > >I have a CR2 mechanism complete with gear drive motor/ gears ( not suitable for CR 7A as it requires second spool gear with reflector at the back) and capstan motor / mode cam motor etc. Persons interested to contact me off list. If anybody wants me to convert their BX 300 - I can do that as well - rquire a bit of time. > >thanks for reading this. > >kannan > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 2 20:42:18 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:42:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <000601c4f0f6$65937480$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so many Hummers on the streets here??..... >From: greynolds at newsguy.com >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:10:52 -0500 > >Am I still on the NakTalk list, or have I been switched to a list about >dysfunctional families and "politics"? I'm not quite sure how many >different groups you attempted to offend with your post, but it was >certainly more than just conservative rednecks who drive SUV's (or is that >anyone who drives a SUV is a conservative redneck, or anyone who is a >redneck is a conservative who drives a SUV?). >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net > >From: "Gerald G." > > > > Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is > > more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family > > issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a > > favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one > > now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would > > certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of > > course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there > > is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed > > white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me > > continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my > > parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american > > middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have > > manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it > > did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has > > been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a > > succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his > > parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from > > unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but > > hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body > > itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the > > point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply > > cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont > > know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives > > in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that > > from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. > > George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American > > trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 > > percent of americans. Regarding your political > > accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can > > understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a > > gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive > > around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so > > while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" > > priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill > > saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont > > know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack > > booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so > > srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. > > Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply > > to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were > > dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in > > my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i > > wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished > > and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and > > henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and > > intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed > > appropriate. > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 2 10:18:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:18:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dysfunctional Naks In-Reply-To: <000601c4f0f6$65937480$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <000e01c4f0ac$0c9a5aa0$4bdd883e@oemcomputer> Wow! Or, as they say on eBay "WOW!" That damn dam's been building up a while ... But hang on there - I got a dysfunctional family, too!! And a dysfunctional work environment! Seriously ... but for the latter, I might not have been off sick from work these past 8 weeks with work related stress. And - to keep this on topic - but for the trusty Nak ZX-9 and other musical gear, I may have wrapped m'self and my modest car (45-50 mpg - rather more environmentally friendly than a SUV, I suppose ... ) around a lamp post for a very long sleep. (And even the ZX9 was dysfunctional until B&W mended it ...) But I've got an even more dysfunctional family living next door - adopted kid's a thief, gambler and pyromaniac and he's only 12 years old ... but, you see they DON'T have a Nakamichi to calm them. (And if they did the little SOB would probably fence it for a few $$s anyway ... Hmmm ... I'd better check my household contents insurance ...) However, this pal of mine on another audio site was, on Boxing Day early morning, bemoaning the fact that he'd been too stubborn with Quantas and refused their not cheap enough flight deal for a glorious holiday in SE Asia. Lucky Aussies, he said, in their Summer Christmas party hats on the beach. Ah! He hadn't heard about the earthquake ... Turned out he'd let go a holiday in a beach bungalow @ Phi Phi. Here comes another "WOW" ... stubbornness saved $900 AND his Life. Kinda put things into perspective? Not really. What did it for me was the news of a British guy interviewed by the BBC whilst sunbathing on a beach where the authorities were still collecting bodies! It shocked me at first. Why are you still here? the correspondent asked. "Well," he said, "most of my friends are still alive and, apart from Boxing Day, this has been a brilliant holiday. Life has to go on. So, I'm going to spend my money and finish the holiday." Only then the penny dropped for me: Not to waste my time fighting folk but to enjoy the music while I still can. After all the next big natural disaster could be that smouldering super volcano that is the Yellowstone National Park - when she blows, goodbye everyone in a 600 mile radius who'll be killed instantly and goodbye everyone else in the World who'll starve or freeze to death!! Gra' From b4uer at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 01:43:18 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:43:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karakapas at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 04:42:35 2005 From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:42:35 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 5500 In-Reply-To: <41D633EA.5080702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Wow, really appreciate the detailed writeup on Beocord vs Naks. The comparsions are pertinent as the Beocord 5500 I was considering is a further second to the 9000. Always suspected B&O to be more style than substance, even though it is often, at least to me, seen as a high-end make because of its high-end price. I note that B&O uses sendust heads like those used in Naks 480s, whereas Naks 582 and above employ crystalloy heads. Always wondered whether the use of these 2 head types contribute to durability or to sonic quality. Somewhat awed that your comments are about the Naks portable 550 when the comparison is vs decks. I have, in addition, a need to replace a small tableside set (for transcripting purposes it has to be besides the writing pad) and was considering another no-frills $30-50 set. But your comments have spurred me to consider the Naks 250/350. Don't know much about it but read somewhere that it runs on an internal rechargeable battery which poses a question mark about a battery of that age... an a/c adapter would be more ideal. Anyone with views on them? I have 3 "other" decks of the 2 headed kind and am justing discovering Naks. I am in the process of replacing all the decks having just begun with my newly acquired Naks BX300 which I am gradually putting through its paces. Naks have somewhat rekindled my hifi adventure as the CD players I deal with are efficient, even fine sonically but present bland interfaces. Happy New Year to you too. Ben Ng >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 5500 >Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:23:54 -0500 > >Hi Ben, > >ng ben wrote: >>Wonder if any Nakers out there have made a A/B comparison on a B&O vs Nak >>- would be interesting to know which Nak. I recall a thread on "the best >>cassette deck ever made" here on Naktalk, where a sole response rated the >>Beocord 9000 betters the Dragon(!). Always wondered by what measure of >>record or playback capability (technical or sonically) the writer was >>making the judgement. > >Another great way to start the New Year: Nakamichi Versus Bang & Olufsen. >Sounds like a great title for an action movie. > >Well, to start, I use my cassette decks professionally as well as for my >own musical bliss. I judge ANY recorder for "hi(gh)" its "fi" is -- >especially compared against live, unprocessed musical performances. This is >th eultimate test; "My new 'Supersound Millenium Falcon 2000XYZ' is better >than my old 'Boca Grande Megatape Ultratech 1000'" isn't really that great >of a test, yet such "reviews" are what most columns seems to be. So here >goes, one Nakaphiliac's OPINION, for what that's worth. > >My currently running cassette decks are: Nakamichi 550, Nakamichi 600-II, >Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, Revox B710 Mk. II, Marantz PMD-430, (H)Onkyo >TA-RW11, and Pioneer CT-F7272. The Pioneer CT-F7272 is better than the >Dragon, of course. (No, it isn't!) [For reasons of rampant mediocrity, >we'll skip the Pioneer (a.k.a." Cryin'-Ear" in the 1970s), Onkyo and >Marantz. Don't tell anyone I own these, please.] So here's a quick >pro-audio review: > >Nakamichi 550: Excellent sound that is natural and clean yet has an >infectious quality (high fun factor), excellent dynamic range and headroom >because of IEC1 EQ. Open, airy spatial imaging, with a sense of depth and >immediacy that is quite lifelike. Sound quality reminiscent of the better >studio reel-to-reels. Hard to believe this is "only" a 1970s cassette deck! >Studio quality in a portable package. STRENGTHS -- Outstanding limiter, >very good microphone preamps, excellent meters, very good transport that is >simple and practical, ability to fine-tune bias manually, easily cleaned >and maintained, holds tape head azimuth very well over time, and lower >subjective tape noise because of noise floor spectrum. WEAKNESSES -- >awkward tape visibility, two-head design. > >Nakamichi 600-II: Excellent sound that is natural and clean yet has an >infectious quality (high fun factor), excellent dynamic range and headroom >because of IEC1 EQ. Open, airy spatial imaging, with a sense of depth and >immediacy that is quite lifelike. Sound quality reminiscent of the better >studio reel-to-reels. Hard to believe this is "only" a 1970s cassette deck! >Studio quality and reliability with style. STRENGTHS -- Excellent meters, >very good transport that is simple and practical, ability to fine-tune bias >manually, ability to fine-tune Dolby Level manually, ability to select 70uS >and 120 uS EQ for Chrome tape, very easily cleaned and maintained, holds >tape head azimuth very well over time, and lower subjective tape noise >because of noise floor spectrum. WEAKNESSES -- Two-head design, ski-slope >cabinet doesn't stack well. > >Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000: Excellent dynamic range and very good headroom >despite IEC2 EQ, excellent sound that is subtly flattering (a trademark of >most B&O products, seemingly). Tight spatial imaging, with very good bass >detail; "sweet" highs that seem clean but give the deck an almost dark >character. Seems to emphasize styling and gadgets over substance. STRENGTHS >-- Computer Controlled Calibration does a great job optimizing it for any >tape, holds tape head azimuth well over time, and gentle tape handling. >WEAKNESSES -- mediocre meters, very awkward lack of clear tape visibility >that requires you use a tape end warning system, unpleasant to listen to >without noise reduction, counter-intuitive procedure to put into record >mode, DIN input-output, jacks only, marginal microphone preamps, >mechanically ordinary and troublesome tape drive mechanism lacks the >sophistication and refinement shown by Nakamichi decks (and to a lesser >extent by Revox), two-head design, ski-slope cabinet doesn't stack well and >is more of a top loader in concept than the Nak 600-II, and runs hot. > >Revox B710 Mk. II: Excellent dynamic range and headroom despite IEC2 EQ, >excellent sound that is natural and clean, suggestive of a studio deck. >tight spatial imaging, though lacking bass detail, which seems to typify >Revox. Clean highs with almost a sense of airiness. A true "superdeck," >although it always seems to need some tweaking or maintenance, making it >finicky like a fine sports car. STRENGTHS -- Three head design, accurate >peak meters, visually impressive in an intimidating way, excellent tape >handling, excellent tape visibility, stackable front loader, built like a >main battle tank, good mic preamps, mic/line input mixing, the best >headphone amp I've heard in a cassette deck, perfect match to a Revox B77 >(if you have one), and excellent snob appeal (if required.) WEAKNESSES -- >calibration of bias, Eq and Dolby requires opening the deck up and >performing elaborate and tedious procedures, thus you cannot get the peak >performance of the deck unless you stick with only one type of cassette >tape; dual-capstan, three motor tape drive can be troublesome to keep in >top running order, doesn't hold tape head azimuth or any calibration >settings well over time, runs hot, meters doesn't give good indication of >average levels, and switch knobs are ridiculously fragile for a deck of >this price. > >Best Sound with no noise reduction: Nakamichi 550 and 600-II, although the >550's limiter gives it a slight edge. >Best Sound with Dolby B: Nakamichi 550 and 600-II because the >Best Sound with Dolby C: Revox B710 by default. >Best Sound with dbx: The Beocord 9000 has the best built-in dbx I've heard >to date. Period. Nevertheless, connect an outboard dbx 222 or 224 to a >naakmichi 600, switch its Dolby Off, choose Chrome tape, set EQ to 120 uS >and you'll experience one of the best recordings of your life. As close to >Big Label sound as you can get without sitting in a control room on Studio >Wow! You'll understand my passion for the older Naks! > >Best Overall Sound: Hard to call. I'm addicted to the vivid spatial imaging >and "fun sound" of my two Nakamichis, the Revox's "effortless excellence" >is a pleasure in its own way, and the Beogram 9000's natural-yet-flattering >sound is relaxing for casual listening. It's a close tie between the Naks >and the Revox. The Revox has the standard IEC2 EQ, so I use it for making >cassette masters. But that elusive quality of the Naks give them a slight >edge for me personally, escpecially when used with an outboard dbx noise >reduction. > >The Beogram 9000 is an excellent deck, but "The Best Deck?" When I read >that assertion, I thought I was hallucinating. No, it isn't. Put a Beogram >against any of the Nakamichis that have pad lifter tape mechanisms and the >auto-azimuth adjustment and it will lose every time. > >Happy New Year to one and all -- may the great sounds be yours! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 3 12:08:40 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:08:40 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7DE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I pretty sure I read it somewhere on Sony's History site, then again I was very tired at the time and easily could have mis-read the article :) Tom -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2005 6:15 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Tom - r u sure about Sony? Sony and Philips were first with the CD, but cassette I thought was just Philips (?) As far as TDK and Maxell, I feel it was also TDK. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? It was actually Philips and Sony. But my guess would be TDK. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2004 4:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Does anyone know who came out with a blank compact cassette first,Maxell or TDK?I know TDK is a older company than Maxell but was just curious as to who introduced the first blank cassette of these two company's?Thanks for any insight..Keith. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 12:32:30 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103113230.37053.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth alignment. You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - still level may not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what is this try to obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to access the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You slowly adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you will find bias level will go beyond your zero now. hope this works for you kannan Greg Bauer wrote: I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble calibrating it. I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell tapes. While calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with no problems, then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' points. I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the owners manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION'. They both have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing something wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could have missed something. Any help ?? THANKS Greg Bauer ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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However, strongly I recommend you if you just received/acquired...etc...!, to turn ON for two hours with touching...let to the electronics inside to warm for two hours, after so...commence all the calibrations...PS...During those two hours warning the whole machine..READ VERY CAREFULLY...the Instructions to understand 100% perfectly HOW to use it as INTEND!!! Write back if you succeed or not? Good luck and be patiently!!!! Sincerely, ALEX! >From: "Greg Bauer" >Reply-To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION >Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:43:18 -0500 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 12:39:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:39:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION Message-ID: Dear Kannan! IF...some guy attempt with the heads screws...?, so what I wrote is NOT relevant! I understand that Greg machine; like mine still "Factory Calibrated/Adjusted"...If NOT!!! I'm away of any advice!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) > >Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth alignment. >You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - still level may >not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the >azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what is this try to >obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to access >the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You slowly >adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you will find >bias level will go beyond your zero now. >hope this works for you >kannan > >Greg Bauer wrote: > >I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble calibrating it. >I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell tapes. While >calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with no problems, >then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective >calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' points. >I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the owners >manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any >improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference >between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION'. They both >have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm >reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing something >wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could have >missed something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > >Greg Bauer > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 3 13:43:47 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:43:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Message-ID: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for £18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Freud) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 02 January 2005 19:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so many > Hummers on the streets here??..... > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 14:36:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 05:36:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103133604.66287.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Colin, Yes I am figuring the 009 to be a good deck. I really loved the 990, it had a warm and wonderful sound without sacrificing the high frquencies. Here in Singapore, there aren't too many guys to repair the fault. Usually, I do the repairs myself. The 009 seems to have a simple fault, the motor powering the idler tire doesnt seem to move when i hit play. it works when i hit f.fwd and rewind. I;ve used DBX for reel decks and in my opinion, it sounds great with simple jazz pieces. It get confused with complex signals, especially with many instruments and thus seems to sound badly. Thats my opinion though, and i may be hearing wrongly. Bala --- Colin Marsh wrote: > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > XK009! that's a > different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 > EXCELIA decks - I got > them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the > pair came at a price of > only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later > discovered that both these > models seem to be professional models and most found > there way into studios > as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to > get the machines serviced > with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no > luck. I was about to > give up and cut my losses but then a friend > suggested a studio technician > may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are > plenty about! This was > the answer! and both machines were duly serviced > (together with my two ReVox > R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't > break the bank. The > technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, > parts are not a problem > and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > Depending on your location, this may be the way to > go for the Aiwa XK 009 > Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > contact with "my man"! All I > can say is that it will be worth it! > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are > very underated machines! > They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are > usually studio sales. I > recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > �18.00, superbly well > maintained in great order as well! For domestic use > the only problems I can > see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The > mains transformers are > bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, > and having to earth the > chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > balanced outputs/inputs (one > of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get > around. > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on > my "Dragons" tail and > equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with > DBX switched in! and the > 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 > using Dolby C . I had > both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > stock cassettes that are > easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the > hundred at �50.00 a shot!). > I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's > are near perfect > recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > DBX "kick ass" with > digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > to Dolby B/C! > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my > favourite babies and > always will be, but I think it is fair to say that > part of the Naks appeal > is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody > told me it is called > "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only > cassette decks! and as good > as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to > Rs, fed with a good tape > and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > I do hope you have some success with finding a > repairer! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 15:13:01 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:13:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103141301.25308.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Yes Alex you are 200% right with your previous message- guys do not touch any of these whilte plastic gear toothed adjusting wheels on the headblock plate holder unless you have read and understood what those adjustment means????? Thnaks Alex for reminding manytimes , it is better to wait and understand before doing anything particularly Nak head alignment. kannan Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Kannan! IF...some guy attempt with the heads screws...?, so what I wrote is NOT relevant! I understand that Greg machine; like mine still "Factory Calibrated/Adjusted"...If NOT!!! I'm away of any advice!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) > >Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth alignment. >You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - still level may >not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the >azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what is this try to >obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to access >the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You slowly >adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you will find >bias level will go beyond your zero now. >hope this works for you >kannan > >Greg Bauer wrote: > >I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble calibrating it. >I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell tapes. While >calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with no problems, >then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective >calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' points. >I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the owners >manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any >improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference >between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION'. They both >have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm >reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing something >wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could have >missed something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > >Greg Bauer > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Jan 3 17:07:50 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:07:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: References: Message-ID: <004901c4f1ae$608d6820$0e92fea9@wdrewes> Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by people that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting) ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for £18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 17:50:44 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:50:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: References: <004901c4f1ae$608d6820$0e92fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: Hello Walter! "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting)" Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) How many CR7s do you have? I am really envy of you... ;-) Happy New Year! István ----- Original Message ----- From: wme drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by people that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting) ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for £18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 22:36:04 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:36:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION In-Reply-To: <20050103113230.37053.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050103213604.99878.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> I have picture on my Nak deck calibration page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal.html Figure 4.17 might be of interest to you. It shows the location and function of the little white adjustment screws. You might want to make a little pen mark on them so you know where they were before you start playing with them. You shouldn't need to turn any of them more than 1/4 turn (unless previously someone played with them without knowing what the hell they were doing.) I hope to have an electrical adjustment web page in the near future. Even though this info is for the 660ZX it is applicable to nearly all Nak 3-head decks in the last 25 years. Some steps don't apply to non Auto Azimuth decks and some steps get replaced or new steps added with the Dragon and CR-7A. I'd like to add these differences if I could get a hold of Dragon and CR-7A service manuals. Any one got one they can email me. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth > alignment. You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - > still level may not be correct but for this purpse it is still > fine. Now adjust the azimuth screw of the record head - if you do > not know what is this try to obtain service manual. You have to > remove the cassette door cover to access the azimuth screw. Be very > careful not to touch any other screw. You slowly adjust this screw > both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you will find bias > level will go beyond your zero now. > hope this works for you > kannan > > Greg Bauer wrote: > > I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble > calibrating it. I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and > Maxell tapes. While calibrating, I first go through the 400hz > calibration with no problems, then, I advance to the bias > calibration. I can't turn the respective calibration adjustments > far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' points. I've gone > through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the owners > manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any > improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the > difference between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL > CALIBRATION'. They both have exactly the same procedures. What's > the difference? Maybe I'm reading to fast, or skipping over > something, or just simply doing something wrong. I've read and > re-read it so many times I can't see how I could have missed > something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > > Greg Bauer > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 15:06:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:06:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: Dear Graham! Please be an a educated UK gentleman!!! STOP!!!!! Sincerely, your friend! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:48:18 -0000 > >Answer: Penis Envy! (Freud) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 02 January 2005 19:42 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > cassette? > > > > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so many > > Hummers on the streets here??..... > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From stan.targowski at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 15:21:04 2005 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:21:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 5500 In-Reply-To: <41D633EA.5080702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit, thanks for great review of several decks. One question, in reference to your statement below, which version of Beocord 9000 you are talking about, it is my understanding that this model did not offer built-in DBX. B&O came out with Dolby HX and 9000 was a great implementation of this headroom extension system, but not DBX. <> Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:24 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 5500 Hi Ben, ng ben wrote: > Wonder if > any Nakers out there have made a A/B comparison on a B&O vs Nak - would > be interesting to know which Nak. I recall a thread on "the best > cassette deck ever made" here on Naktalk, where a sole response rated > the Beocord 9000 betters the Dragon(!). Always wondered by what > measure of record or playback capability (technical or sonically) the > writer was making the judgement. Another great way to start the New Year: Nakamichi Versus Bang & Olufsen. Sounds like a great title for an action movie. Well, to start, I use my cassette decks professionally as well as for my own musical bliss. I judge ANY recorder for "hi(gh)" its "fi" is -- especially compared against live, unprocessed musical performances. This is th eultimate test; "My new 'Supersound Millenium Falcon 2000XYZ' is better than my old 'Boca Grande Megatape Ultratech 1000'" isn't really that great of a test, yet such "reviews" are what most columns seems to be. So here goes, one Nakaphiliac's OPINION, for what that's worth. My currently running cassette decks are: Nakamichi 550, Nakamichi 600-II, Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, Revox B710 Mk. II, Marantz PMD-430, (H)Onkyo TA-RW11, and Pioneer CT-F7272. The Pioneer CT-F7272 is better than the Dragon, of course. (No, it isn't!) [For reasons of rampant mediocrity, we'll skip the Pioneer (a.k.a." Cryin'-Ear" in the 1970s), Onkyo and Marantz. Don't tell anyone I own these, please.] So here's a quick pro-audio review: Nakamichi 550: Excellent sound that is natural and clean yet has an infectious quality (high fun factor), excellent dynamic range and headroom because of IEC1 EQ. Open, airy spatial imaging, with a sense of depth and immediacy that is quite lifelike. Sound quality reminiscent of the better studio reel-to-reels. Hard to believe this is "only" a 1970s cassette deck! Studio quality in a portable package. STRENGTHS -- Outstanding limiter, very good microphone preamps, excellent meters, very good transport that is simple and practical, ability to fine-tune bias manually, easily cleaned and maintained, holds tape head azimuth very well over time, and lower subjective tape noise because of noise floor spectrum. WEAKNESSES -- awkward tape visibility, two-head design. Nakamichi 600-II: Excellent sound that is natural and clean yet has an infectious quality (high fun factor), excellent dynamic range and headroom because of IEC1 EQ. Open, airy spatial imaging, with a sense of depth and immediacy that is quite lifelike. Sound quality reminiscent of the better studio reel-to-reels. Hard to believe this is "only" a 1970s cassette deck! Studio quality and reliability with style. STRENGTHS -- Excellent meters, very good transport that is simple and practical, ability to fine-tune bias manually, ability to fine-tune Dolby Level manually, ability to select 70uS and 120 uS EQ for Chrome tape, very easily cleaned and maintained, holds tape head azimuth very well over time, and lower subjective tape noise because of noise floor spectrum. WEAKNESSES -- Two-head design, ski-slope cabinet doesn't stack well. Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000: Excellent dynamic range and very good headroom despite IEC2 EQ, excellent sound that is subtly flattering (a trademark of most B&O products, seemingly). Tight spatial imaging, with very good bass detail; "sweet" highs that seem clean but give the deck an almost dark character. Seems to emphasize styling and gadgets over substance. STRENGTHS -- Computer Controlled Calibration does a great job optimizing it for any tape, holds tape head azimuth well over time, and gentle tape handling. WEAKNESSES -- mediocre meters, very awkward lack of clear tape visibility that requires you use a tape end warning system, unpleasant to listen to without noise reduction, counter-intuitive procedure to put into record mode, DIN input-output, jacks only, marginal microphone preamps, mechanically ordinary and troublesome tape drive mechanism lacks the sophistication and refinement shown by Nakamichi decks (and to a lesser extent by Revox), two-head design, ski-slope cabinet doesn't stack well and is more of a top loader in concept than the Nak 600-II, and runs hot. Revox B710 Mk. II: Excellent dynamic range and headroom despite IEC2 EQ, excellent sound that is natural and clean, suggestive of a studio deck. tight spatial imaging, though lacking bass detail, which seems to typify Revox. Clean highs with almost a sense of airiness. A true "superdeck," although it always seems to need some tweaking or maintenance, making it finicky like a fine sports car. STRENGTHS -- Three head design, accurate peak meters, visually impressive in an intimidating way, excellent tape handling, excellent tape visibility, stackable front loader, built like a main battle tank, good mic preamps, mic/line input mixing, the best headphone amp I've heard in a cassette deck, perfect match to a Revox B77 (if you have one), and excellent snob appeal (if required.) WEAKNESSES -- calibration of bias, Eq and Dolby requires opening the deck up and performing elaborate and tedious procedures, thus you cannot get the peak performance of the deck unless you stick with only one type of cassette tape; dual-capstan, three motor tape drive can be troublesome to keep in top running order, doesn't hold tape head azimuth or any calibration settings well over time, runs hot, meters doesn't give good indication of average levels, and switch knobs are ridiculously fragile for a deck of this price. Best Sound with no noise reduction: Nakamichi 550 and 600-II, although the 550's limiter gives it a slight edge. Best Sound with Dolby B: Nakamichi 550 and 600-II because the Best Sound with Dolby C: Revox B710 by default. Best Sound with dbx: The Beocord 9000 has the best built-in dbx I've heard to date. Period. Nevertheless, connect an outboard dbx 222 or 224 to a naakmichi 600, switch its Dolby Off, choose Chrome tape, set EQ to 120 uS and you'll experience one of the best recordings of your life. As close to Big Label sound as you can get without sitting in a control room on Studio Wow! You'll understand my passion for the older Naks! Best Overall Sound: Hard to call. I'm addicted to the vivid spatial imaging and "fun sound" of my two Nakamichis, the Revox's "effortless excellence" is a pleasure in its own way, and the Beogram 9000's natural-yet-flattering sound is relaxing for casual listening. It's a close tie between the Naks and the Revox. The Revox has the standard IEC2 EQ, so I use it for making cassette masters. But that elusive quality of the Naks give them a slight edge for me personally, escpecially when used with an outboard dbx noise reduction. The Beogram 9000 is an excellent deck, but "The Best Deck?" When I read that assertion, I thought I was hallucinating. No, it isn't. Put a Beogram against any of the Nakamichis that have pad lifter tape mechanisms and the auto-azimuth adjustment and it will lose every time. Happy New Year to one and all -- may the great sounds be yours! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 15:24:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:24:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION Message-ID: Hi Kannan! Really...I NEVER will understand, THE WHY...Nak owners touch thinks that NEVER must be disturbed?...AS the 3 heads alignment and more items like "Dolby" EQ, etc... IF was acquired or received as WAS factory adjusted...will do the job for many years of enjoyment! All my best!!!!! ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:13:01 -0800 (PST) > >Yes Alex >you are 200% right with your previous message- guys do not touch any of >these whilte plastic gear toothed adjusting wheels on the headblock plate >holder unless you have read and understood what those adjustment means????? >Thnaks Alex for reminding manytimes , it is better to wait and understand >before doing anything particularly Nak head alignment. >kannan > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Kannan! > >IF...some guy attempt with the heads screws...?, so what I wrote is NOT >relevant! >I understand that Greg machine; like mine still "Factory >Calibrated/Adjusted"...If NOT!!! I'm away of any advice!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) > > > >Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth alignment. > >You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - still level may > >not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the > >azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what is this try to > >obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to >access > >the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You >slowly > >adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you will >find > >bias level will go beyond your zero now. > >hope this works for you > >kannan > > > >Greg Bauer wrote: > > > >I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble calibrating it. > >I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell tapes. While > >calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with no problems, > >then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective > >calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' points. > >I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the owners > >manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any > >improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference > >between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION'. They both > >have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm > >reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing >something > >wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could >have > >missed something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Greg Bauer > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Jan 3 15:51:14 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:51:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <20161-41D82464-38@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> References: <20161-41D82464-38@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050103094627.01b92920@psulias.psu.edu> I would probably be offended if I could understand half of what you wrote. Haughtiness mixed with atrocious grammar and spelling doesn't really play very well. At 11:42 AM 1/2/2005, you wrote: >Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is >more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family >issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a >favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one >now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would >certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of >course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there >is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed >white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me >continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my >parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american >middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have >manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it >did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has >been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a >succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his >parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from >unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but >hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body >itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the >point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply >cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont >know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives >in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that >from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. >George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American >trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 >percent of americans. Regarding your political >accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can >understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a >gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive >around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so >while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" >priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill >saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont >know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack >booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so >srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. >Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply >to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were >dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in >my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i >wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished >and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and >henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and >intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed >appropriate. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions Yes, you read that right! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 3 19:14:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c4f1c0$002731c0$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so that one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sándor István Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Hello Walter! "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting)" Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) How many CR7s do you have? I am really envy of you... ;-) Happy New Year! István ----- Original Message ----- From: wme drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by people that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting) ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for £18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! 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URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 3 20:09:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:09:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 5500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D9986A.3080906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ben! ng ben wrote: > Hi Kermit, > Wow, really appreciate the detailed writeup on Beocord vs Naks. The > comparsions are pertinent as the Beocord 5500 I was considering is a > further second to the 9000. Always suspected B&O to be more style > than substance, even though it is often, at least to me, seen as a > high-end make because of its high-end price. B&O's genius is in making very good sound look great and work very conveniently. I have a Beomaster 1900 that looks great and sounds great; even though it ws made in 1977, vistors often ask what it is -- then ask where they can buy one when they discover it's a stereo. Nevertheless, they do have to compromise the sound a bit otherwise their produicts would become unaffordable. But the compromises aren't as great as other "style-oriented" makers, like Bose. > I note that B&O uses sendust heads like those used in Naks 480s, whereas > Naks 582 and above employ crystalloy heads. Always wondered whether > the use of these 2 head types contribute to durability or to sonic quality. Some one else will have to answer this. My knowledge of heads is limited to which hats look best on mine. > Somewhat awed that your comments are about the Naks portable 550 when > the comparison is vs decks. I have, in addition, a need to replace a > small tableside set (for transcripting purposes it has to be besides the > writing pad) and was considering another no-frills $30-50 set. But your > comments have spurred me to consider the Naks 250/350. Don't know much > about it but read somewhere that it runs on an internal rechargeable > battery which poses a question mark about a battery of that age... an > a/c adapter would be more ideal. Anyone with views on them? Keep in mind the 550 is a portable version of the 500 -- it's a full-sized deck in all other respects. The 350 is a 550 made more portable, leaving off a couple of features -- but in no way compromising the sound. The 250 is a player only. The 250, 350, and 550 use an AC adapter, or your choice of D-cells or a rechargable. I've been told you can use D-sized Nicads in a 550 or 350, but i've never tried it. > I have 3 "other" decks of the 2 headed kind and am justing discovering > Naks. I am in the process of replacing all the decks having just begun > with my newly acquired Naks BX300 which I am gradually putting through > its paces. Naks have somewhat rekindled my hifi adventure as the CD > players I deal with are efficient, even fine sonically but present bland > interfaces. Excellent! Stereo can be quite a bit of fun -- if you have the right equipment! Naks are a good way to put fun into your stereo. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 21:25:51 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:25:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103202551.61589.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Well that makes it easy to set up a dedicated for each type of tape he's using without having to pop the hood everytime u switch tapes :) Well does anyone have a schematic for these decks? The XK009 and F990 that is... Bala S�ndor Istv�n wrote: Hello Walter! "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting)" Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) How many CR7s do you have? I am really envy of you... ;-) Happy New Year! Istv�n ----- Original Message ----- From: wme drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by people that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting) ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for �18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at �50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Professionalism seems to be a lost art in the United States, with rare exceptions. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 23:11:28 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:11:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] help with meter circuit In-Reply-To: <20050103213604.99878.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050103221128.48875.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> ok guys forgive me for bringing up a non-nak deck..but this one plays cassettes also. Its a technics m95, and i'm having a problem with its meter circuit. one channel is always showing full when the tape is played. when i switch to source, that channel meter shoots to full even without anything being plugged in. on the pcb, the first op amp is very hot..and has a high voltage dc o/p even though there is no signal input. Can anyone give me tips..i'm been on this for like over 10 days...and no breakthru. If it is alright, please msg me offline. Thanks Bala --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � Get yours free! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Tue Jan 4 01:29:49 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:29:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1104798589.41d9e37dafc9a@www.richardhess.com> In my past 30 years of large-scale professional broadcast system design, one of the major failure modes in these facilities was what we called "screwdriver drift" where well-intentioned maintenance people "thought" they had the correct answer and adjusted something that wasn't the correct adjustment to fix the perceived problem. We used to joke about having large junkyard electromagnets at every door to remove the screwdrivers as people entered . Of course, that would be bad for the tapes . Happy New Year -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Quoting Alex Cozac : > Hi Kannan! > > Really...I NEVER will understand, THE WHY...Nak owners touch thinks that > NEVER must be disturbed?...AS the 3 heads alignment and more items like > "Dolby" EQ, etc... IF was acquired or received as WAS factory > adjusted...will do the job for many years of enjoyment! > > All my best!!!!! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:13:01 -0800 (PST) > > > >Yes Alex > >you are 200% right with your previous message- guys do not touch any of > >these whilte plastic gear toothed adjusting wheels on the headblock plate > >holder unless you have read and understood what those adjustment means????? > >Thnaks Alex for reminding manytimes , it is better to wait and understand > >before doing anything particularly Nak head alignment. > >kannan > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >Dear Kannan! > > > >IF...some guy attempt with the heads screws...?, so what I wrote is NOT > >relevant! > >I understand that Greg machine; like mine still "Factory > >Calibrated/Adjusted"...If NOT!!! I'm away of any advice!!! > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth alignment. > > >You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - still level may > > >not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the > > >azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what is this try to > > >obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to > >access > > >the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You > >slowly > > >adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you will > >find > > >bias level will go beyond your zero now. > > >hope this works for you > > >kannan > > > > > >Greg Bauer wrote: > > > > > >I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble calibrating it. > > >I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell tapes. While > > >calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with no problems, > > >then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective > > >calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' points. > > >I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the owners > > >manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any > > >improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference > > >between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION'. They both > > >have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm > > >reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing > >something > > >wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could > >have > > >missed something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Greg Bauer > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 4 05:54:22 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:54:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: Ah well Neil, many believe that SUV are not for off-road work, but are a palliative for deficient endocrine systems. What can I say? HehHeh. For the rest - lets all take it easy!! It's a wonderful new year and there are lots of people out there without homes let alone Nakamichis!! Best....Marc >>> neillipes628 at hotmail.com 01/02/05 09:42PM >>> I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so many Hummers on the streets here??..... >From: greynolds at newsguy.com >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:10:52 -0500 > >Am I still on the NakTalk list, or have I been switched to a list about >dysfunctional families and "politics"? I'm not quite sure how many >different groups you attempted to offend with your post, but it was >certainly more than just conservative rednecks who drive SUV's (or is that >anyone who drives a SUV is a conservative redneck, or anyone who is a >redneck is a conservative who drives a SUV?). >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net > >From: "Gerald G." > > > > Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is > > more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family > > issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a > > favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one > > now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would > > certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of > > course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there > > is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed > > white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me > > continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my > > parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american > > middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have > > manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it > > did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has > > been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a > > succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his > > parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from > > unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but > > hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body > > itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the > > point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply > > cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont > > know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives > > in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that > > from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. > > George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American > > trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 > > percent of americans. Regarding your political > > accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can > > understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a > > gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive > > around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so > > while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" > > priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill > > saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont > > know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack > > booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so > > srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. > > Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply > > to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were > > dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in > > my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i > > wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished > > and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and > > henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and > > intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed > > appropriate. > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar û get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 4 05:55:34 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:55:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: Nice one Bart!!!!!!!! MH >>> bhonhoff at dds.nl 01/03/05 02:54PM >>> >From Hill Street Blues: It's a jungle out there!! ;-) Have a nice 2005, bart Quoting neil lipes : > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so many > Hummers on the streets here??..... > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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(Freud) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 02 January 2005 19:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so many > Hummers on the streets here??..... > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 01:38:54 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:38:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005a01c4f1f5$c4ad74c0$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Honest, Alex - that IS from my education. Freudian psychology. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 03 January 2005 14:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > Dear Graham! > > Please be an a educated UK gentleman!!! STOP!!!!! > > Sincerely, your friend! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > >cassette? > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:48:18 -0000 > > > >Answer: Penis Envy! (Freud) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > > Sent: 02 January 2005 19:42 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > > cassette? > > > > > > > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > > > > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are > there so many > > > Hummers on the streets here??..... > > > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 02:09:25 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:09:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050103094627.01b92920@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <005b01c4f1fa$0843de00$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Hmmm .... as an expert in English, I should be offended by American English, with its corrupt spelling and divergence from the true language. I mean, why do those guys always say "negative" when a simple "no" would suffice? And what good reason was there to change the spelling of colour to color or tyre to tire?? <> So, in defence of me good ol' mate Gerald... (not that he needs me to defend him.) Atroshius grammor and spelin didnt stop John Clare becoming one of the finest poets of the English language. He's way up there with Byron, Keats and Wordsworth, with his nature works probably being the finest of ALL English speaking poets. Why, if Clare had been born a few years later he'd have been an analogue fan and used an all-manual Nakamichi, like a ZX-7 !!! Besides, in Shakespeare's day, the more ways you could spell a word was reckoned to show (or shew) the extent of one's creativity. Indeed, The Bard himself spelt his name various different ways. So, which pompous (probably academic) git made themselves Emperor of the English language and decided on its rules? (Hmmm ... I'll bet their decendants work for Sony, Microsoft and the 53 States ... ) And if those rules count for anything, why do we tolerate American English at all especially the bastardisation of the English language by US exported corruptions of the language such as "gay" (which once meant 'disposed of joy and mirth'), "take out" (once meaning "to remove", now 'to kill'), "neutralize" (once meant 'to render neutral', not 'to kill') and the inclusion of Orwellianisms as "collateral damage" (which means "dead or injured civilians") and "blue on blue" (which means 'we just killed our own people') ??? What counts in really good writing are the words that are used and the order in which they are placed to convey a message, a feeling, a mood, not how they are spelt nor the arbitrary grammatical pointings about which, as John Claire observed, grammarians seldom agree anyway. And, as a student of writing (Masters Degree in Writing Studies) I'd say good ol' Gerald is one of the finest writers to visit NakTalk. He knows a thing or too about Nak's and hi fi, as well !! Gra' (MA) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 03 January 2005 14:51 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > I would probably be offended if I could understand half of what you wrote. > Haughtiness mixed with atrocious grammar and spelling doesn't really play > very well. > > At 11:42 AM 1/2/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Colin,let me unofficially welcome you to the naktalk.this post is > >more of a direct answer to you on your mention of some of the family > >issues on the Naktalk.I ask anyone who is sick of this by now to do me a > >favour and PLease allow this one last post or skip to the next one > >now.There,now..I am the one with the disfunctional famlty,and i would > >certainly hope that your family is not as screwed up as mine.Of > >course,all familys have their problems,that goes withot saying,and there > >is no such thing as the "ozzie and harriet" type of ethnically cleansed > >white suburban bliss -and their never was.Having said that,let me > >continue. I come from a upper middle class American family .All of my > >parents friends and acquantances have some symptom of the american > >middle class malaise(industrial disease?),even though it may not have > >manifested itself in verbal and and physical abuse to the extent that it > >did in my beloved family..One friend,an Eingenieer,has a son that has > >been in and out of prison and another,a Dentist,has a son who is a > >succesful surgeon,but has a wife that will not let him visit his > >parents.Many have alcholics in their familys ,others have disease from > >unhealthy and/or glottonous lifestyles,and I could go on and on,but > >hopefully you see what I mean.My point is,I think,that when the body > >itself is diseased,as you rightly pointed out in your brief and to the > >point indictment of Bush/Blair &CO.,then we,as part of that body simply > >cant live autoimmune,but must exhibit symptoms of this disease. I dont > >know about the other classes,sometimes i think the working class lives > >in a kind of blissfull ignorance,although i can say for certain that > >from my obsevation,that their problems are as numerous,or even worse. > >George,I hate to say, was ore correct than not in assuming an American > >trait was to go off "half cocked".I see this in at least about 53 > >percent of americans. Regarding your political > >accusations,personally,Im not so sure i am so anti-imperalist -i can > >understand evryone else being Pissed though-petrol was recently 1.65 a > >gallon here in Texas.At that price every redneck who wants to drive > >around in Hummers,moterhomes,S.U.V's and other gass guzzlers can do so > >while the rest of the world pays so very dearly for our "Blameless" > >priveledge.Look if bush- a dirty marauding murederer-wants to kill > >saddam-another dirty marauding murderer and take his oil-well idont > >know,but just dont lie about the reasion! Anyway, there are enoughjack > >booted thugs out there who seem to want the work!I'm sorry to be so > >srcastic,and I'm Sorry to have offeneded any conservatives-NO IM NOT. > >Ok- Please ,Please allow me this one post everbody,by way of a reply > >to the new guy,since im the one that inferred all american familys were > >dysfunctional-i just hope its a case of all birds flocking together " in > >my particular instance,and that I am out of touch with reality(as if i > >wasnt!).Again i sincerely plead to allow this one post to go unpunished > >and "shine it on " so to speak and i know this is a NAk. Line and > >henceforth i will not clutter the space .if this is too off the wall and > >intolerable,i will get off for an extended period,whatever is deemed > >appropriate. > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions > Yes, you read that right! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 02:17:33 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <41D9986A.3080906@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <005c01c4f1fb$2b1ca780$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Hi Kermit As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long ago I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he makes £250-£500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building up some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that a wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds like a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget stereo altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your £500 model?" He said, "Yes." Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 02:17:35 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Parts for 600 needeed In-Reply-To: <41D9A84F.7080101@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <005d01c4f1fb$2c0f44e0$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Kermit Try ES Labs or even B&W in the UK - they might help. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 03 January 2005 20:17 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Parts for 600 needeed > > > Dear felow Naka-zens, > > I am seeking the following replacement parts for a Nakamichi 600-II > cassette deck: > > Part # CA03257A Eject Bar Assembly > Part # CA03896B Lock Plate > Part # 0B07203A 100k dual section potentiometer, audio taper > > Any assistance anyone can provide is most appreciated! I've emailed > Nakamichi USA three times over the last month, but they've never > replied. Professionalism seems to be a lost art in the United States, > with rare exceptions. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 02:17:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION In-Reply-To: <1104798589.41d9e37dafc9a@www.richardhess.com> Message-ID: <005e01c4f1fb$2d1bd2e0$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> LOL! "screwdriver drift" I like that phrase very much! As "they" say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 04 January 2005 00:30 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > > > In my past 30 years of large-scale professional broadcast system > design, one of > the major failure modes in these facilities was what we called > "screwdriver > drift" where well-intentioned maintenance people "thought" they > had the correct > answer and adjusted something that wasn't the correct adjustment > to fix the > perceived problem. > > We used to joke about having large junkyard electromagnets at > every door to > remove the screwdrivers as people entered . Of course, > that would be bad > for the tapes . > > Happy New Year > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > > Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > Hi Kannan! > > > > Really...I NEVER will understand, THE WHY...Nak owners touch thinks that > > NEVER must be disturbed?...AS the 3 heads alignment and more items like > > "Dolby" EQ, etc... IF was acquired or received as WAS factory > > adjusted...will do the job for many years of enjoyment! > > > > All my best!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:13:01 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Yes Alex > > >you are 200% right with your previous message- guys do not touch any of > > >these whilte plastic gear toothed adjusting wheels on the > headblock plate > > >holder unless you have read and understood what those > adjustment means????? > > >Thnaks Alex for reminding manytimes , it is better to wait and > understand > > >before doing anything particularly Nak head alignment. > > >kannan > > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > >Dear Kannan! > > > > > >IF...some guy attempt with the heads screws...?, so what I wrote is NOT > > >relevant! > > >I understand that Greg machine; like mine still "Factory > > >Calibrated/Adjusted"...If NOT!!! I'm away of any advice!!! > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably > azimuth alignment. > > > >You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - > still level may > > > >not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the > > > >azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what > is this try to > > > >obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to > > >access > > > >the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You > > >slowly > > > >adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on > - you will > > >find > > > >bias level will go beyond your zero now. > > > >hope this works for you > > > >kannan > > > > > > > >Greg Bauer wrote: > > > > > > > >I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble > calibrating it. > > > >I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell > tapes. While > > > >calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with > no problems, > > > >then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective > > > >calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the > 'CAL' points. > > > >I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just > like the owners > > > >manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any > > > >improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference > > > >between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL > CALIBRATION'. They both > > > >have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm > > > >reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing > > >something > > > >wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could > > >have > > > >missed something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Greg Bauer > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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Download today it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 06:17:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:17:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION Message-ID: Be my Guest!!! Faithfully New 2005 year for you and all your family relatives! ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:29:49 -0500 > >In my past 30 years of large-scale professional broadcast system design, >one of >the major failure modes in these facilities was what we called "screwdriver >drift" where well-intentioned maintenance people "thought" they had the >correct >answer and adjusted something that wasn't the correct adjustment to fix the >perceived problem. > >We used to joke about having large junkyard electromagnets at every door to >remove the screwdrivers as people entered . Of course, that would be >bad >for the tapes . > >Happy New Year >-- > >Richard L. Hess >http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > >Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > Hi Kannan! > > > > Really...I NEVER will understand, THE WHY...Nak owners touch thinks that > > NEVER must be disturbed?...AS the 3 heads alignment and more items like > > "Dolby" EQ, etc... IF was acquired or received as WAS factory > > adjusted...will do the job for many years of enjoyment! > > > > All my best!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:13:01 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Yes Alex > > >you are 200% right with your previous message- guys do not touch any of > > >these whilte plastic gear toothed adjusting wheels on the headblock >plate > > >holder unless you have read and understood what those adjustment >means????? > > >Thnaks Alex for reminding manytimes , it is better to wait and >understand > > >before doing anything particularly Nak head alignment. > > >kannan > > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > >Dear Kannan! > > > > > >IF...some guy attempt with the heads screws...?, so what I wrote is NOT > > >relevant! > > >I understand that Greg machine; like mine still "Factory > > >Calibrated/Adjusted"...If NOT!!! I'm away of any advice!!! > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON CALIBRATION > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:32:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Your Dragon has head alignment issues - most probably azimuth >alignment. > > > >You can do this carefully by first adjusting the level - still level >may > > > >not be correct but for this purpse it is still fine. Now adjust the > > > >azimuth screw of the record head - if you do not know what is this >try to > > > >obtain service manual. You have to remove the cassette door cover to > > >access > > > >the azimuth screw. Be very careful not to touch any other screw. You > > >slowly > > > >adjust this screw both ways keeping the bias calibration on - you >will > > >find > > > >bias level will go beyond your zero now. > > > >hope this works for you > > > >kannan > > > > > > > >Greg Bauer wrote: > > > > > > > >I have a 'DRAGON', and recently I've been having trouble calibrating >it. > > > >I've tried it both with chromium and metal TDK and Maxell tapes. >While > > > >calibrating, I first go through the 400hz calibration with no >problems, > > > >then, I advance to the bias calibration. I can't turn the respective > > > >calibration adjustments far enough to even get close to the 'CAL' >points. > > > >I've gone through the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' procedure just like the >owners > > > >manual says and procede to the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION' without any > > > >improvements. To be quite honest, I can't even detect the difference > > > >between the 'ROUGH CALIBRATION' and the 'MANUAL CALIBRATION'. They >both > > > >have exactly the same procedures. What's the difference? Maybe I'm > > > >reading to fast, or skipping over something, or just simply doing > > >something > > > >wrong. I've read and re-read it so many times I can't see how I could > > >have > > > >missed something. Any help ?? THANKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Greg Bauer > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 06:29:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:29:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Message-ID: Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected Dragons to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! Good Luck Graham!!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so that >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > >Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of S�ndor Istv�n > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Hello Walter! > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying >in >waiting)" > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > How many CR7s do you have? > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > Happy New Year! > Istv�n > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wme drewes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by >competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind >that >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your >excellent machine! > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying >in >waiting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Marsh > To: naktalk > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines >serviced >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This >was >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two >ReVox >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa >XK >009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for >�18.00, >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get >around. > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" >tail >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! >and >the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . >I >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes >that >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at �50.00 a >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies >and >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as >good >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 10:07:46 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:07:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit Message-ID: Only for information; to all our lovely Nak member, I hear using my Stereo tube/valve equipment only trough ONE speaker, in our family since 1954 branded JBL "The Hartsfield" an a ugly;y big horn laded two way 16 Ohms speaker cabinet weight 1/4 of ton! Sound since 1954 amazing with NO problems at all. My Dynaco made by Panor in US during the earlier 90ties was rewired for a Triode operation 16 watts each channel...wired "Parallel" so I get 32 watts RMS, my "Hartsfield" has 110-Db efficiency, which is more that necessary! Of course...the cassettes trough my Dragon are recorded stereo...only the "END" in my system is hear "MONAURAL" Be well Graham!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 > >Hi Kermit > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long >ago >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building >up >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that >a >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds >like >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget >stereo >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 >model?" He said, "Yes." > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 10:11:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:11:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: To the Ultimate & Educated UK Gentleman! I agreed! Continue as you feel inside your heart!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:38:54 -0000 > >Honest, Alex - that IS from my education. Freudian psychology. > >Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 03 January 2005 14:06 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > cassette? > > > > > > Dear Graham! > > > > Please be an a educated UK gentleman!!! STOP!!!!! > > > > Sincerely, your friend! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > >cassette? > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:48:18 -0000 > > > > > >Answer: Penis Envy! (Freud) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > > > Sent: 02 January 2005 19:42 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a >blank > > > > cassette? > > > > > > > > > > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > > > > > > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are > > there so many > > > > Hummers on the streets here??..... > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 10:55:08 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:55:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: Hello all, sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know where to get any. Cany you give me some hints? I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any answer... :-( Any comments? Thank you in advance. István -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jan 4 11:54:35 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:54:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes References: Message-ID: <002101c4f24b$c7bdf300$0e92fea9@wdrewes> Sometimes you manage to find them on eBay.They usually are frightfully expensive(for me that is).I have about 20 of them but that is by no means a complete set ! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Hello all, sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know where to get any. Cany you give me some hints? I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any answer... :-( Any comments? Thank you in advance. István ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 12:52:05 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:52:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003d01c4f253$d024da60$0a904c51@oemcomputer> That's very interesting. I would love to hear that speaker. I often record in mono those "stereo effect" recordings that were originally mono anyway! They seem to either have rotten sound stages or, if effort has gone into recreating a sound stage, they sound too processed and lack good tonal colour. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 04 January 2005 09:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > Only for information; to all our lovely Nak member, I hear using > my Stereo > tube/valve equipment only trough ONE speaker, in our family since 1954 > branded JBL "The Hartsfield" an a ugly;y big horn laded two way 16 Ohms > speaker cabinet weight 1/4 of ton! Sound since 1954 amazing with > NO problems > at all. My Dynaco made by Panor in US during the earlier 90ties > was rewired > for a Triode operation 16 watts each channel...wired "Parallel" > so I get 32 > watts RMS, my "Hartsfield" has 110-Db efficiency, which is more that > necessary! Of course...the cassettes trough my Dragon are recorded > stereo...only the "END" in my system is hear "MONAURAL" > > Be well Graham!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 > > > >Hi Kermit > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long > >ago > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > >makes £250-£500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > Troughlines. (Leak, > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than > building > >up > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > right, so that > >a > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > >like > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > >stereo > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > music from > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your £500 > >model?" He said, "Yes." > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 12:52:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:52:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c4f253$d1d94120$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Occasionally, Nakamichi alignment cassettes (and equipment) turn up on eBay but they sell for VERY high prices. Perceived wisdom is NOT to use cassettes that are non-Nakamichi because the Nak' are more exacting ... that's why when a Nak equipped engineer sets up a deck back to factory specification, it will generally sound better than if a non-Nak equipped engineer did the work. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sándor István Sent: 04 January 2005 09:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Hello all, sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know where to get any. Cany you give me some hints? I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any answer... :-( Any comments? Thank you in advance. István -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 14:27:44 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:27:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] help with meter circuit In-Reply-To: <20050103221128.48875.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050104132745.30494.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> If that is an Opamp - check Powersupply points/( + and - points ofthe opamp. checkpower supply by pass caps- replace the opamp and it should be fine. sometimes differentia lvoltage across opamp can cause slewing and blow up or power supply failing ( this one is a more likely) . Yeah you have the other channel working and that can help you know the bias points - better to remove the meter connection - tominimise damage to the meter. hope this helps kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: ok guys forgive me for bringing up a non-nak deck..but this one plays cassettes also. Its a technics m95, and i'm having a problem with its meter circuit. one channel is always showing full when the tape is played. when i switch to source, that channel meter shoots to full even without anything being plugged in. on the pcb, the first op amp is very hot..and has a high voltage dc o/p even though there is no signal input. Can anyone give me tips..i'm been on this for like over 10 days...and no breakthru. If it is alright, please msg me offline. Thanks Bala --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � Get yours free! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 14:54:18 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:54:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: Hi all Nak owners! ONCE...during the 80ties and till half of the 90ties, TDK sold a set in a plastic case 10 alignment cassettes, if I remember well was near 4:150.00 during that era, a lot of money for me, so I decided NOT to acquired...as till today if...! I buy them...will still un-used. Were very well made in Japan..using the newer SA formula tape and Shell. Who wanted...look maybe at e-Bay..with luck?! ALEX! >From: "wme drewes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:54:35 +0200 > >Sometimes you manage to find them on eBay.They usually are frightfully >expensive(for me that is).I have about 20 of them but that is by no means a >complete set ! >walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S�ndor Istv�n > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes > > > Hello all, > > sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know >where to get any. > > Cany you give me some hints? > > I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any >answer... :-( > > Any comments? > > > Thank you in advance. > Istv�n > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 09:26:11 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:26:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104082611.97168.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? When I was much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a store, working. Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying scrap metal. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected Dragons to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! Good Luck Graham!!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so that >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > >Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of S�ndor Istv�n > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Hello Walter! > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying >in >waiting)" > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > How many CR7s do you have? > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > Happy New Year! > Istv�n > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wme drewes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by >competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind >that >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your >excellent machine! > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying >in >waiting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Marsh > To: naktalk > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines >serviced >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This >was >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two >ReVox >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa >XK >009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for >�18.00, >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get >around. > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" >tail >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! >and >the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . >I >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes >that >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at �50.00 a >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies >and >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as >good >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Jan 4 09:45:45 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:45:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - Eastern Europeans anyone ? Message-ID: <56877950.21AA6431.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, all and Happy New Year! Sure I'm here (Moscow, Russia). Probably not very active as it should be but always 'behind the scene'. As for the other Nick I met him from time to time but I'm not sure if he still reads Naktalk. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. >No Istvan, you are not alone here. I am Bulgarian and we also had a >few friends from Russia (the Niks, Vladimir?)and the Ukraine (Misha?) >- actually what happened with you guys, are you still out there ? > >George On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:55:18 +0100, Sándor István wrote: > Surely neither (nor Gremlins nor fighters). > My mother was born in just 1956, so to me this historical event is not that > bitter, than to the elder generation. > > Damn it, Hungary is still counted as a forgotten slave-country of the Big > Russian Bear??? > > I am not angry with this, but really being curious to know if it is... > Sorry for being off-topic. It is strange for me that noone from the former > "communist" countries are here... am I wrong? If yes, please let me know... > :-) > > Kind regards, > István __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 09:48:22 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <005c01c4f1fb$2b1ca780$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050104084822.96516.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, and Kermit, I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My preference is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true sound. I realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with a slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a debate of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ the same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When new, the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a full USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, you can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this was the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10B). The cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after all that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive tuner to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put back both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a simpler filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( point is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my Nak 680. Bala Nelson wrote: Hi Kermit As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long ago I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building up some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that a wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds like a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget stereo altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 model?" He said, "Yes." Gra' > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 4 11:33:50 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:33:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: FAO Walter. In-Reply-To: <004901c4f1ae$608d6820$0e92fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: Walter The Dragon I was referring to was owned by my father from new in the early 1990's untill it came to me 2 years ago. Although it had little use, it was serviced yearly by authorised Nak techs in South Africa, later in Japan and finally two years ago in Germany. I myself would never even take the covers off, let alone fiddle with VRs, or "little white wheels"!! When you say "Compliment of equipment" I presume you are referring to all the little mechanical jigs, the scope, a T100?, all the service manuals and the box of calibration tapes, etc. etc. that my father purchased and I have stored away in a rather nice Rosewood box in my other home in South Africa? I am about to have some work done on the ZX7 by Bowers and Wilkins in the UK ( you guys tell me they are good?), if that goes ok The dragon can be next. I was in no way implying that the Aiwa Excelias are better machines than the Naks, but in my opinion "head to head" using the inbuilt noise reduction circuits the Aiwas DBX and its super flat frequency response ( to 21khz +-3db. type 4. verified by the service tech!) is truer to the original, especially with digital sources than MY Naks using inbuilt Dolby. I have little usefull "cassette" tech know-how, only my ears! but I think you might agree that Naks (all the ones I have owned anyway!) tend to sweeten things up a little! This may be, of course due to the azimuth and bias settings having drifted, and I suppose this can be partially corrected before recordings are made, But I don't think the average owner is likely to do this is he? I have, over many years "collected" a pile of so called "hifi" equipment so I can now listen to music the way I want to, to protect my valuable sources I need to record on tape or what have you. I want the playback to be as near to the original as is possible. I use analogue tape recorders to achieve that. but some do better that others. Out of interest this is my order of preference: 1. ReVox B77 half track 7.5 ips r to r. no NR. 2. ReVox B710, extnl DBX. 3. Aiwa Excelia XK009 intnl DBX. 4. Nak Dragon. no NR applied. This is my preference, and I realise others will very much disagree with me, that's life! that's what makes it interesting, OK? I have spent my working life with electro-mechanical machines and electronics and from my experience I can tell you there is no "Ultimate" cassette recorder! each one I own is flawed by design, mechanically or electronically, in some way of another. Even Naks (those bloody orange caps, and cheap pully wheels)! and, dare I say it, the revered Dragon !! -----Original Message----- From: wme drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: 03 January 2005 16:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by people that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting) ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for £18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 15:27:58 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:27:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex Message-ID: When I come across recordings that say "re-channeled" for stereo, I simply employ my mode switch on the preamp to the mono position..at least I will hear the music in mono....and boys good mono is excellent! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:52:05 -0000 > >That's very interesting. I would love to hear that speaker. > >I often record in mono those "stereo effect" recordings that were >originally >mono anyway! They seem to either have rotten sound stages or, if effort >has >gone into recreating a sound stage, they sound too processed and lack good >tonal colour. > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 04 January 2005 09:08 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > > > > Only for information; to all our lovely Nak member, I hear using > > my Stereo > > tube/valve equipment only trough ONE speaker, in our family since 1954 > > branded JBL "The Hartsfield" an a ugly;y big horn laded two way 16 Ohms > > speaker cabinet weight 1/4 of ton! Sound since 1954 amazing with > > NO problems > > at all. My Dynaco made by Panor in US during the earlier 90ties > > was rewired > > for a Triode operation 16 watts each channel...wired "Parallel" > > so I get 32 > > watts RMS, my "Hartsfield" has 110-Db efficiency, which is more that > > necessary! Of course...the cassettes trough my Dragon are recorded > > stereo...only the "END" in my system is hear "MONAURAL" > > > > Be well Graham!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Kermit > > > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers >to > > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so >long > > >ago > > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, >he > > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > > Troughlines. (Leak, > > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made >for > > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than > > building > > >up > > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" >but > > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > > right, so that > > >a > > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > > >like > > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > > >stereo > > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > > music from > > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > > >model?" He said, "Yes." > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Jan 4 11:50:15 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 05:50:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: <48DD599B.46E24620.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, István, TEAC test cassettes can be found here: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/eng/products/tape_index.html Cassettes on BASF tape from JRF Magnetics used to be available here: http://www.jrfmagnetics.com/JRF_calalign.html but now their site does not function. I used to get some genuine Nak Calibration tapes from B&W when they sell out their stocks but I'm afraid they all gone now. Regards, Nicholas. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sándor István > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes > > > Hello all, > > sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know where to get any. > > Cany you give me some hints? > > I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any answer... :-( > > Any comments? > > > Thank you in advance. > István __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Jan 4 14:36:20 2005 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:36:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Attention Kermit: parts for 600 Message-ID: Kermit, I didn't see your email address in replied-to posts, so I'm sending to the list instead. I have a 600 that I'd like to get rid of; it's yours for the cost of shipping (from Somerville, MA, USA). It's complete and mostly working, but has enough little things wrong with it that I consider it a parts deck (especially because I have enough working decks). Please email me at joelll at genericdomain.net if you're interested. Joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net From Michael.Schreiber at bni.uni-hamburg.de Tue Jan 4 11:34:04 2005 From: Michael.Schreiber at bni.uni-hamburg.de (Michael Schreiber) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:34:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes References: Message-ID: <003301c4f248$e9d5b340$08c36486@lab209> Here some links for test tapes: Audio Test Cassette from Teknixs: http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 Audio Test Cassette from Burosch: http://www.burosch.de/deutsch/shop/index.html Michael Schreiber (My 700zxe works well) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Hello all, sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know where to get any. Cany you give me some hints? I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any answer... :-( Any comments? Thank you in advance. István ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 13:40:05 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 04:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] For Alex In-Reply-To: <003d01c4f253$d024da60$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050104124005.21678.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Does combining them have any problems Gra? I have this great Doris Day lp that was processed in stereo and sounds not too good. Bala Nelson wrote: That's very interesting. I would love to hear that speaker. I often record in mono those "stereo effect" recordings that were originally mono anyway! They seem to either have rotten sound stages or, if effort has gone into recreating a sound stage, they sound too processed and lack good tonal colour. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 04 January 2005 09:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > Only for information; to all our lovely Nak member, I hear using > my Stereo > tube/valve equipment only trough ONE speaker, in our family since 1954 > branded JBL "The Hartsfield" an a ugly;y big horn laded two way 16 Ohms > speaker cabinet weight 1/4 of ton! Sound since 1954 amazing with > NO problems > at all. My Dynaco made by Panor in US during the earlier 90ties > was rewired > for a Triode operation 16 watts each channel...wired "Parallel" > so I get 32 > watts RMS, my "Hartsfield" has 110-Db efficiency, which is more that > necessary! Of course...the cassettes trough my Dragon are recorded > stereo...only the "END" in my system is hear "MONAURAL" > > Be well Graham!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 > > > >Hi Kermit > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long > >ago > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > Troughlines. (Leak, > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than > building > >up > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > right, so that > >a > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > >like > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > >stereo > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > music from > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > >model?" He said, "Yes." > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excellent!!!...........It really is..............take it from this writer who is on the streets everyday! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:55:34 +0200 > >Nice one Bart!!!!!!!! > >MH > > >>> bhonhoff at dds.nl 01/03/05 02:54PM >>> > >From Hill Street Blues: > >It's a jungle out there!! ;-) > >Have a nice 2005, > >bart > >Quoting neil lipes : > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so >many > > Hummers on the streets here??..... > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 15:35:35 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:35:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: Yes....... sorry fellows, but the amount of testosterone on NYC streets is overwhelming!.....and sorry but, what is with all the females that are 5 foot tall behind the wheels of these monsters??? I guess the operative word is a INTIMIDATE! Those vehicles are a menace no two ways about it. N >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:56:49 +0200 > >You continue to teach me to stop beating around the bush Gra'!!! > >Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/03/05 02:48PM >>> >Answer: Penis Envy! (Freud) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 02 January 2005 19:42 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a >blank > > cassette? > > > > > > I only have one question to ask any who care to answer: > > > > Why the hell would anybody buy an SUV for NYC, and why are there so >many > > Hummers on the streets here??..... > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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István ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Schreiber To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Here some links for test tapes: Audio Test Cassette from Teknixs: http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 Audio Test Cassette from Burosch: http://www.burosch.de/deutsch/shop/index.html Michael Schreiber (My 700zxe works well) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Hello all, sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not know where to get any. Cany you give me some hints? I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve any answer... :-( Any comments? Thank you in advance. 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jan 4 16:42:44 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:42:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like References: <20050104082611.97168.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c4f274$09735ce0$4b85fea9@drewes> To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for Graham in the UK is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the world! So Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no cassette well doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not been able to figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a CR7 door for one of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if anyone finds one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand spankin new factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this purpose! Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them themselves.Imagine having to handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? When I was much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a store, working. Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying scrap metal. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected Dragons to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! Good Luck Graham!!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so that >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > >Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Sándor István > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Hello Walter! > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying >in >waiting)" > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > How many CR7s do you have? > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > Happy New Year! > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wme drewes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade )but who dont have >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind >that >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your >excellent machine! > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying >in >waiting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Marsh > To: naktalk > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! IA decks - I got >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines >serviced >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This >was >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two >ReVox >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa >XK >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for >£18.00, >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get >around. > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" >tail >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! >and >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . >I >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes >that >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies >and >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as >good >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 16:55:52 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:55:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: FAO Walter. Message-ID: Dear Colin! Really I can't understand, that so little used Dragon...was so "ILL"..that was serviced to often???? ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: FAO Walter. >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:33:50 -0000 > > >Walter >The Dragon I was referring to was owned by my father from new in the early >1990's untill it came to me 2 years ago. Although it had little use, it >was >serviced yearly by authorised Nak techs in South Africa, later in Japan and >finally two years ago in Germany. I myself would never even take the covers >off, let alone fiddle with VRs, or "little white wheels"!! When you say >"Compliment of equipment" I presume you are referring to all the little >mechanical jigs, the scope, a T100?, all the service manuals and the box >of >calibration tapes, etc. etc. that my father purchased and I have stored >away >in a rather nice Rosewood box in my other home in South Africa? I am about >to have some work done on the ZX7 by Bowers and Wilkins in the UK ( you >guys >tell me they are good?), if that goes ok The dragon can be next. I was >in no way implying that the Aiwa Excelias are better machines than the >Naks, >but in my opinion "head to head" using the inbuilt noise reduction circuits >the Aiwas DBX and its super flat frequency response ( to 21khz +-3db. type >4. verified by the service tech!) is truer to the original, especially with >digital sources than MY Naks using inbuilt Dolby. I have little usefull >"cassette" tech know-how, only my ears! but I think you might agree that >Naks (all the ones I have owned anyway!) tend to sweeten things up a >little! >This may be, of course due to the azimuth and bias settings having drifted, >and I suppose this can be partially corrected before recordings are made, >But I don't think the average owner is likely to do this is he? I have, >over >many years "collected" a pile of so called "hifi" equipment so I can now >listen to music the way I want to, to protect my valuable sources I need to >record on tape or what have you. I want the playback to be as near to the >original as is possible. I use analogue tape recorders to achieve that. but >some do better that others. Out of interest this is my order of preference: >1. ReVox B77 half track 7.5 ips r to r. no NR. 2. ReVox B710, extnl >DBX. 3. Aiwa Excelia XK009 intnl DBX. 4. Nak Dragon. no NR applied. >This >is my preference, and I realise others will very much disagree with me, >that's life! that's what makes it interesting, OK? I have spent my >working life with electro-mechanical machines and electronics and from my >experience I can tell you there is no "Ultimate" cassette recorder! each >one I own is flawed by design, mechanically or electronically, in some way >of another. Even Naks (those bloody orange caps, and cheap pully wheels)! >and, dare I say it, the revered Dragon !! > -----Original Message----- > From: wme drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by >people >that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including >tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I >have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known >for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of >equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The >same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by >Mr >Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little >wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might >get >an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of >further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in >waiting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Marsh > To: naktalk > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines >serviced >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This >was >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two >ReVox >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK >009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for >�18.00, >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get >around. > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! >and >the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . >I >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes >that >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at �50.00 a >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as >good >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 16:33:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:33:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007c01c4f272$cd37db80$0a904c51@oemcomputer> I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" stereo vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 04 January 2005 14:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > When I come across recordings that say "re-channeled" for stereo, > I simply > employ my mode switch on the preamp to the mono position..at least I will > hear the music in mono....and boys good mono is excellent! > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 16:33:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:33:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex In-Reply-To: <20050104124005.21678.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01c4f272$ce1b36a0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> My guess is that, if you used a mono record cartridge, or a mono converter, pre to the amp, it may sound better. However, in my experience a lot of reprocessed records, especially copies of ones produced before around 1955, were recopied without compensating for the original recording's equalisation. In other words, there are a lot of records our there that are not RAA but some non-standard setting. For example, I have a 1930's swing jazz set of LPs by Readers Digest that have been "stereo enhanced" (yuck!) that you'd expect to play at today's RAA standard. However, if you do so they sound very much like the originals would do through a modern phono section of an amplifier - i.e. rather veiled. Now, having recently bought a Graham Slee "Jazz Club" phono stage, I am able to choose between several equalisation settings. In this instance, I selected the setting which would have been correct for the original 1930's recordings, which is not RAA. I can tell you the sound is much improved, much less veiled, although the Graham Slee cannot do much about the extra compression of the dynamic range that crept into this 1970's copy!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 04 January 2005 12:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex Does combining them have any problems Gra? I have this great Doris Day lp that was processed in stereo and sounds not too good. Bala Nelson wrote: That's very interesting. I would love to hear that speaker. I often record in mono those "stereo effect" recordings that were originally mono anyway! They seem to either have rotten sound stages or, if effort has gone into recreating a sound stage, they sound too processed and lack good tonal colour. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 04 January 2005 09:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > Only for information; to all our lovely Nak member, I hear using > my Stereo > tube/valve equipment only trough ONE speaker, in our family since 1954 > branded JBL "The Hartsfield" an a ugly;y big horn laded two way 16 Ohms > speaker cabinet weight 1/4! of ton! Sound since 1954 amazing with > NO problems > at all. My Dynaco made by Panor in US during the earlier 90ties > was rewired > for a Triode operation 16 watts each channel...wired "Parallel" > so I get 32 > watts RMS, my "Hartsfield" has 110-Db efficiency, which is more that > necessary! Of course...the cassettes trough my Dragon are recorded > stereo...only the "END" in my system is hear "MONAURAL" > > Be well Graham!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 > > > >Hi Kermit > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > >recording is ! the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long > >ago > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > >makes £250-£500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > Troughlines. (Leak, > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than > building > >up > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > right, so that > >a > >wood instr! uments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > >like > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > >stereo > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > music from > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your £500 > >model?" He said, "Yes." > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 16:39:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:39:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <006e01c4f274$09735ce0$4b85fea9@drewes> Message-ID: <008901c4f273$8e0b90e0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Walter said: "What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not been able to figure out." Ah! They have been assembled by Tracy Emmin into a modern art sculpture entitled "Nakophilia", currently on show at the Satchi Gallery, and entered into The Turner Art competition. She'll probably win. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes at iafrica.com Sent: 04 January 2005 15:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for Graham in the UK is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the world! So Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no cassette well doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not been able to figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a CR7 door for one of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if anyone finds one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand spankin new factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this purpose! Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them themselves.Imagine having to handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 17:01:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:01:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit Message-ID: Dear Bala! Sorry but... I DON'T AGREED! Today I use also from my family a McIntosh MR-78 with his originally walnut cabinet in our family since 1974...UNTOUCHED SINCE THEN...! and such newer "Digitally" tuner...sorry to write is simple a "SHIT"...in sound quality!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Graham, and Kermit, > > I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these >days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My preference >is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and >sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true sound. I >realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with a >slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a debate >of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ the >same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When new, >the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a full >USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to >outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, you >can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations >with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this was >the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10! > B). The > cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after all >that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive tuner >to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put back >both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a simpler >filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most >beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. > >There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( point >is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the >right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out >there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my Nak >680. > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Hi Kermit > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long ago >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building >up >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that >a >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds >like >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget stereo >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 >model?" He said, "Yes." > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 17:05:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:05:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like Message-ID: Walter I love your superb humor!!! Bravo!!! I agreed you NO need spare parts for your Dragons, One for "Spare Parts"...so the other 4 can survive!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:42:44 +0200 > >To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for Graham in the >UK is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the world! >So Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! >Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no cassette >well doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not been >able to figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a CR7 >door for one of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if >anyone finds one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! >I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to >handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand spankin new >factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this >purpose! >Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them themselves.Imagine having >to handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! >Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? When I was >much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was >rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a store, >working. Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying >scrap metal. > > Bala > > Alex Cozac wrote: > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected >Dragons > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so >that > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > >Grinham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water >lying > >in > >waiting)" > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > Happy New Year! > > Istv�n > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: wme drewes > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who >does > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been >serviced by > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade )but who >dont have > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that >Stephen > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in >mind > >that > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont >touch > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for >complete > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in >your > >excellent machine! > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water >lying > >in > >waiting) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Marsh > > To: naktalk > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! IA decks - >I got > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a >price of > >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into >studios > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > >serviced > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about >to > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio >technician > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! >This > >was > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my >two > >ReVox > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a >problem > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > >XK > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my >man"! > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > >�18.00, > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the >only > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, >and > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to >balanced > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to >get > >around. > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > >tail > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched >in! > >and > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 using >Dolby C . > >I > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock >cassettes > >that > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at �50.00 >a > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick >ass" > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby >B/C! > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > >and > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks >appeal > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is >called > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as > >good > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a >good tape > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Main! tain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 17:17:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:17:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex Message-ID: Hi Graham! No, Mono cartridges; I always use Stereo Ortofon cartridges, like my lovely passed away Dad. Today mounted on my vintage Technics SL-120 DD turntable, in a Rega RB-300 arm a Ortofon Jubilee "Top of the Line" MC cartridge. As I always learn from my Daddy that the best cartridge will longer the life of any record...and THAT is certainly TRUE. Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:33:57 -0000 > >My guess is that, if you used a mono record cartridge, or a mono converter, >pre to the amp, it may sound better. However, in my experience a lot of >reprocessed records, especially copies of ones produced before around 1955, >were recopied without compensating for the original recording's >equalisation. In other words, there are a lot of records our there that >are >not RAA but some non-standard setting. For example, I have a 1930's swing >jazz set of LPs by Readers Digest that have been "stereo enhanced" (yuck!) >that you'd expect to play at today's RAA standard. However, if you do so >they sound very much like the originals would do through a modern phono >section of an amplifier - i.e. rather veiled. Now, having recently bought >a >Graham Slee "Jazz Club" phono stage, I am able to choose between several >equalisation settings. In this instance, I selected the setting which >would >have been correct for the original 1930's recordings, which is not RAA. I >can tell you the sound is much improved, much less veiled, although the >Graham Slee cannot do much about the extra compression of the dynamic range >that crept into this 1970's copy!! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 04 January 2005 12:40 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > Does combining them have any problems Gra? I have this great Doris Day >lp >that was processed in stereo and sounds not too good. > > Bala > > Nelson wrote: > That's very interesting. I would love to hear that speaker. > > I often record in mono those "stereo effect" recordings that were >originally > mono anyway! They seem to either have rotten sound stages or, if >effort >has > gone into recreating a sound stage, they sound too processed and lack >good > tonal colour. > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 04 January 2005 09:08 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > > > > Only for information; to all our lovely Nak member, I hear using > > my Stereo > > tube/valve equipment only trough ONE speaker, in our family since >1954 > > branded JBL "The Hartsfield" an a ugly;y big horn laded two way 16 >Ohms > > speaker cabinet weight 1/4! of ton! Sound since 1954 amazing with > > NO problems > > at all. My Dynaco made by Panor in US during the earlier 90ties > > was rewired > > for a Triode operation 16 watts each channel...wired "Parallel" > > so I get 32 > > watts RMS, my "Hartsfield" has 110-Db efficiency, which is more that > > necessary! Of course...the cassettes trough my Dragon are recorded > > stereo...only the "END" in my system is hear "MONAURAL" > > > > Be well Graham!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:17:33 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Kermit > > > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > > >recording is ! the best way to capture the purest sound of the >voices >or > > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and >speakers to > > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so >long > > >ago > > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that >is, >he > > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including >the > > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > > Troughlines. (Leak, > > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was >made >for > > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the >best > > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than > > building > > >up > > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" >but > > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > > right, so that > > >a > > >wood instr! uments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg >sounds > > >like > > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > > >stereo > > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > > music from > > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your >�500 > > >model?" He said, "Yes." > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From lists at richardhess.com Tue Jan 4 20:06:13 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:06:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <006e01c4f274$09735ce0$4b85fea9@drewes> References: <20050104082611.97168.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> <006e01c4f274$09735ce0$4b85fea9@drewes> Message-ID: <1104865573.41dae9257c848@www.richardhess.com> Walter, Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and a fifth waiting for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny coincidence. I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer A807s running as well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm New photos coming...sometime. Cheers, Richard -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/ Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for Graham in the UK > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the world! So > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no cassette well > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not been able to > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a CR7 door for one > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if anyone finds > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand spankin new > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > purpose! > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them themselves.Imagine having to > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? When I was > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a store, working. > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying scrap metal. > > Bala > > Alex Cozac wrote: > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > Dragons > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so > that > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > >Grinham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of Sándor István > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying > >in > >waiting)" > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > Happy New Year! > > István > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: wme drewes > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who > does > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced > by > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade )but who dont > have > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > Stephen > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind > >that > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your > >excellent machine! > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying > >in > >waiting) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Marsh > > To: naktalk > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! IA decks - I > got > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price > of > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > studios > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > >serviced > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > technician > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This > >was > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two > >ReVox > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > problem > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > >XK > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my > man"! > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > >£18.00, > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the > only > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > balanced > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get > >around. > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > >tail > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! > >and > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C > . > >I > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes > >that > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick > ass" > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > >and > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > appeal > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as > >good > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good > tape > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Main! tain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 20:30:50 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:30:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104193050.15188.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> I have a section on Calibration tapes in my FAQ http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Scroll down to the section labeled "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" Scott J. --- S�ndor Istv�n wrote: > Hello all, > > sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not > know where to get any. > > Cany you give me some hints? > > I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve > any answer... :-( > > Any comments? > > > Thank you in advance. > Istv�n> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 4 20:35:20 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:35:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <1104865573.41dae9257c848@www.richardhess.com> Message-ID: <00a101c4f294$86e431c0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Richard Delicious picture! Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with your recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable (http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with variable speeds for the "78s'". You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever made? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > Walter, > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > a fifth waiting > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > coincidence. > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > A807s running as > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > New photos coming...sometime. > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > Graham in the UK > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > world! So > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > cassette well > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > been able to > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > CR7 door for one > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > anyone finds > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > spankin new > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > purpose! > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > themselves.Imagine having to > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > When I was > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > store, working. > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > scrap metal. > > > > Bala > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > Dragons > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > Walter, so > > that > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > >Grinham > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf > > >Of Sándor István > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > the water lying > > >in > > >waiting)" > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > István > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: wme drewes > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > serviced by > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > Dragon who > > does > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > been serviced > > by > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > )but who dont > > have > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > Stephen > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > Bear in mind > > >that > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > Please dont touch > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > for complete > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > latent in your > > >excellent machine! > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > water lying > > >in > > >waiting) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > To: naktalk > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > XK009! that's a > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > IA decks - I > > got > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > came at a price > > of > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > both these > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > studios > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > >serviced > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > was about to > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > technician > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > about! This > > >was > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > with my two > > >ReVox > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > the bank. The > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > problem > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > >XK > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > contact with "my > > man"! > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > are usually > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > >£18.00, > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > domestic use the > > only > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > The mains > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > mains hum?, and > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > balanced > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > is easy to get > > >around. > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > >tail > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > switched in! > > >and > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > using Dolby C > > . > > >I > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > stock cassettes > > >that > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > at £50.00 a > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > DBX "kick > > ass" > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > to Dolby B/C! > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > >and > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > appeal > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > me it is called > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > decks! and as > > >good > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > with a good > > tape > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Main! tain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Learn more. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lists at richardhess.com Wed Jan 5 01:35:13 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:35:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <00a101c4f294$86e431c0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> References: <1104865573.41dae9257c848@www.richardhess.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050104193424.03ec08b0@127.0.0.1> Hello, Nelson, My business is transferring TAPES not records. I refer that work to others. Cheers, Richard At 07:35 PM 1/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Richard > >Delicious picture! > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with your >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with >variable speeds for the "78s'". > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever >made? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Walter, > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > a fifth waiting > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > coincidence. > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > A807s running as > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > Richard L. Hess > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > Graham in the UK > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > world! So > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > cassette well > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > been able to > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > CR7 door for one > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > anyone finds > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > spankin new > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > purpose! > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > When I was > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > store, working. > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > scrap metal. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > Dragons > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > Walter, so > > > that > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > the water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > István > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > serviced by > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > Dragon who > > > does > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > been serviced > > > by > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > )but who dont > > > have > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > Stephen > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > Bear in mind > > > >that > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > Please dont touch > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > for complete > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > latent in your > > > >excellent machine! > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > To: naktalk > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > XK009! that's a > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > IA decks - I > > > got > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > came at a price > > > of > > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > both these > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > studios > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > >serviced > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > was about to > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > technician > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > about! This > > > >was > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > with my two > > > >ReVox > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > the bank. The > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > problem > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > >XK > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > contact with "my > > > man"! > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > are usually > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > >£18.00, > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > domestic use the > > > only > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > The mains > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > mains hum?, and > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > balanced > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > is easy to get > > > >around. > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > >tail > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > switched in! > > > >and > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > using Dolby C > > > . > > > >I > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > stock cassettes > > > >that > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > at £50.00 a > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > DBX "kick > > > ass" > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > >and > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > appeal > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > me it is called > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > decks! and as > > > >good > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > with a good > > > tape > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 01:27:00 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:27:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050104193424.03ec08b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000401c4f2bd$459749e0$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> Richard Understood, but do tell us more about that one-off Sony machine. Regards Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 05 January 2005 00:35 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > Hello, Nelson, > > My business is transferring TAPES not records. I refer that work > to others. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > At 07:35 PM 1/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >Richard > > > >Delicious picture! > > > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by > comparison with your > >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a > >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable > >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. > Although I > >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified > SL-1200's with > >variable speeds for the "78s'". > > > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was > only one ever > >made? > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > > > > Walter, > > > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > > a fifth waiting > > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon > mechanism. Funny > > > coincidence. > > > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > > A807s running as > > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Richard > > > -- > > > > > > Richard L. Hess > > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > > Graham in the UK > > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > > world! So > > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > > cassette well > > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > > been able to > > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > > CR7 door for one > > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > > anyone finds > > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are > enough to > > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > > spankin new > > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the > factory for this > > > > purpose! > > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > > Walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > > When I was > > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's > X1000R (which was > > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > > store, working. > > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > > scrap metal. > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of > your collected > > > > Dragons > > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > > Walter, so > > > > that > > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > >Behalf > > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > > the water lying > > > > >in > > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > István > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > > serviced by > > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > > Dragon who > > > > does > > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > > been serviced > > > > by > > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > > )but who dont > > > > have > > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as > those that > > > > Stephen > > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > > Bear in mind > > > > >that > > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > > Please dont touch > > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > > for complete > > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on > performance,but in all > > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > > latent in your > > > > >excellent machine! > > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > > water lying > > > > >in > > > > >waiting) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > > To: naktalk > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > > XK009! that's a > > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > > IA decks - I > > > > got > > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > > came at a price > > > > of > > > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > > both these > > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found > there way into > > > > studios > > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get > the machines > > > > >serviced > > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > > was about to > > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > > technician > > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > > about! This > > > > >was > > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > > with my two > > > > >ReVox > > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > > the bank. The > > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, > parts are not a > > > > problem > > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go > for the Aiwa > > > > >XK > > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > > contact with "my > > > > man"! > > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are > very underated > > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > > are usually > > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second > 007 on ebay for > > > > >£18.00, > > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > > domestic use the > > > > only > > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > > The mains > > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > > mains hum?, and > > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are > converted to > > > > balanced > > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > > is easy to get > > > > >around. > > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on > my "Dragons" > > > > >tail > > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > > switched in! > > > > >and > > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > > using Dolby C > > > > . > > > > >I > > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > > stock cassettes > > > > >that > > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > > at £50.00 a > > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the > Excelia's are near > > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > > DBX "kick > > > > ass" > > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my > favourite babies > > > > >and > > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that > part of the Naks > > > > appeal > > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > > me it is called > > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > > decks! and as > > > > >good > > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > > with a good > > > > tape > > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lists at richardhess.com Wed Jan 5 02:04:21 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:04:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <000401c4f2bd$459749e0$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050104193424.03ec08b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050104195850.08864480@127.0.0.1> I'm sorry. It's a monster. It's essentially the same size as the 24-track APR-24 (see eBay--there are usually those up there). It has 16 electronics channels and came with a 16-track 1-inch head. They made it to show at trade shows and as a concept prototype. Of course, that was about the time people started buying ADATs and DA88s to record multitrack. I also happen to have 1-inch 8-track, 1/2-inch 8-track, and 1/2-inch 4-track head assemblies for it. Someday, I should get 1/4-inch 8-track, 1/2-inch 16, and 1/2-inch 12-track assemblies for it. I don't know how it was saved from the crusher, but I'm glad it was. Sony threw out many prototypes like this when they closed their Cypress, CA facility. At 12:27 AM 1/5/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Richard > >Understood, but do tell us more about that one-off Sony machine. > >Regards > >Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 05 January 2005 00:35 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Hello, Nelson, > > > > My business is transferring TAPES not records. I refer that work > > to others. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > > > > > At 07:35 PM 1/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >Richard > > > > > >Delicious picture! > > > > > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by > > comparison with your > > >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a > > >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable > > >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. > > Although I > > >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified > > SL-1200's with > > >variable speeds for the "78s'". > > > > > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was > > only one ever > > >made? > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > > > > > > > Walter, > > > > > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > > > a fifth waiting > > > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon > > mechanism. Funny > > > > coincidence. > > > > > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > > > A807s running as > > > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Richard L. Hess > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > > > Graham in the UK > > > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > > > world! So > > > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > > > cassette well > > > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > > > been able to > > > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > > > CR7 door for one > > > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > > > anyone finds > > > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are > > enough to > > > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > > > spankin new > > > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the > > factory for this > > > > > purpose! > > > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > > > Walter > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > > > When I was > > > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's > > X1000R (which was > > > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > > > store, working. > > > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > > > scrap metal. > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of > > your collected > > > > > Dragons > > > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > > > Walter, so > > > > > that > > > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > >Behalf > > > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > > > the water lying > > > > > >in > > > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > István > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > > > serviced by > > > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > > > Dragon who > > > > > does > > > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > > > been serviced > > > > > by > > > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > > > )but who dont > > > > > have > > > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as > > those that > > > > > Stephen > > > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > > > Bear in mind > > > > > >that > > > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > > > Please dont touch > > > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > > > for complete > > > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on > > performance,but in all > > > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > > > latent in your > > > > > >excellent machine! > > > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > > > water lying > > > > > >in > > > > > >waiting) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > > > To: naktalk > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > > > XK009! that's a > > > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > > > IA decks - I > > > > > got > > > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > > > came at a price > > > > > of > > > > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > > > both these > > > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found > > there way into > > > > > studios > > > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get > > the machines > > > > > >serviced > > > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > > > was about to > > > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > > > technician > > > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > > > about! This > > > > > >was > > > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > > > with my two > > > > > >ReVox > > > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > > > the bank. The > > > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, > > parts are not a > > > > > problem > > > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go > > for the Aiwa > > > > > >XK > > > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > > > contact with "my > > > > > man"! > > > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are > > very underated > > > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > > > are usually > > > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second > > 007 on ebay for > > > > > >£18.00, > > > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > > > domestic use the > > > > > only > > > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > > > The mains > > > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > > > mains hum?, and > > > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are > > converted to > > > > > balanced > > > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > > > is easy to get > > > > > >around. > > > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on > > my "Dragons" > > > > > >tail > > > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > > > switched in! > > > > > >and > > > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > > > using Dolby C > > > > > . > > > > > >I > > > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > > > stock cassettes > > > > > >that > > > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > > > at £50.00 a > > > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the > > Excelia's are near > > > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > > > DBX "kick > > > > > ass" > > > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my > > favourite babies > > > > > >and > > > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that > > part of the Naks > > > > > appeal > > > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > > > me it is called > > > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > > > decks! and as > > > > > >good > > > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > > > with a good > > > > > tape > > > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > > search. Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 07:26:15 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:26:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes References: <20050104193050.15188.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Scott, your knowledge-collection is very nice...! Thank you. István Ps: some said a long time ago that "Why one should pay that much for a Nak-aligment cassette on e-bay, when they are still available(!) from xy company, for a moderate price..." maybe it was B&W? Any idea? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes > I have a section on Calibration tapes in my FAQ > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > Scroll down to the section labeled "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" > > Scott J. > > --- Sándor István wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > sometimes we speak about alignment cassettes, but I really do not > > know where to get any. > > > > Cany you give me some hints? > > > > I already sent an email to B&W UK, but they think I do not deserve > > any answer... :-( > > > > Any comments? > > > > > > Thank you in advance. > > István> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Jan 4 16:41:53 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: Message-ID: <000601c4f273$ed563ff0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "neil lipes" > Yes....... sorry fellows, but the amount of testosterone on NYC streets is > overwhelming!.....and sorry but, what is with all the females that are 5 > foot tall behind the wheels of these monsters??? I guess the operative word > is a INTIMIDATE! Those vehicles are a menace no two ways about it. Some of the drivers of any vehicle (not just SUV's) are the menace, not the vehicles. Do most of the people who drive SUV's actually "need" them? Probably not, but the same argument could be made of our Nakamichi tape decks too - we could get by quite well with a CD recorder, but we enjoy our Naks. Same thing with vehicles and many other material things. But I ask again if this is the Naktalk list or if I've been transferred to another... -- Geoffrey Reynolds Land Rover Discovery and Nak CR-7A Owner From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Jan 4 17:17:21 2005 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:17:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex References: <007c01c4f272$cd37db80$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008e01c4f279$370733c0$541a0cd0@r7g1f8> And who is the artist and what is the music??? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" stereo > vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 04 January 2005 14:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > > > When I come across recordings that say "re-channeled" for stereo, > > I simply > > employ my mode switch on the preamp to the mono position..at least I will > > hear the music in mono....and boys good mono is excellent! > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 18:12:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104171227.1376.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Wow Alex, you hit the nail real exact. I was talking about that and the 77. I have a friend who sent me snips of a mail sent to him by the designer Modafferi who acknowledges the better of them both in sonic terms. Also, there is elsewhere a detailed study in at which stages the 78 was designed to sacrifice sound quality for signal strength. And of course, 30 years on, there are things that can be done to get a better sound, without sacrificing the DX capability of the '78. I have the 77, 78 and 80 and I prefer the relax sound of the 77. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Bala! Sorry but... I DON'T AGREED! Today I use also from my family a McIntosh MR-78 with his originally walnut cabinet in our family since 1974...UNTOUCHED SINCE THEN...! and such newer "Digitally" tuner...sorry to write is simple a "SHIT"...in sound quality!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Graham, and Kermit, > > I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these >days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My preference >is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and >sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true sound. I >realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with a >slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a debate >of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ the >same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When new, >the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a full >USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to >outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, you >can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations >with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this was >the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10! > B). The > cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after all >that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive tuner >to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put back >both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a simpler >filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most >beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. > >There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( point >is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the >right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out >there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my Nak >680. > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Hi Kermit > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long ago >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building >up >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that >a >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds >like >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget stereo >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 >model?" He said, "Yes." > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. 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URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 18:40:20 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:40:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Alex In-Reply-To: <007c01c4f272$cd37db80$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Gra: Try finding a Decca Lp of Pictures At An Exhibition "realized" by the great late Benno Moishevitsch, (sp?) on that disc is also Schumann's Carnaval.......ELECTRIC readings!!!!!!!!! N >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:33:55 -0000 > >I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" stereo >vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 04 January 2005 14:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > > > When I come across recordings that say "re-channeled" for stereo, > > I simply > > employ my mode switch on the preamp to the mono position..at least I >will > > hear the music in mono....and boys good mono is excellent! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 19:39:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:39:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: FAO Walter. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104183920.46365.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I guess everyone is entitled to his opinion. And I dont see anything wrong with Walter's here. Bala Colin Marsh wrote: Walter The Dragon I was referring to was owned by my father from new in the early 1990's untill it came to me 2 years ago. Although it had little use, it was serviced yearly by authorised Nak techs in South Africa, later in Japan and finally two years ago in Germany. I myself would never even take the covers off, let alone fiddle with VRs, or "little white wheels"!! When you say "Compliment of equipment" I presume you are referring to all the little mechanical jigs, the scope, a T100?, all the service manuals and the box of calibration tapes, etc. etc. that my father purchased and I have stored away in a rather nice Rosewood box in my other home in South Africa? I am about to have some work done on the ZX7 by Bowers and Wilkins in the UK ( you guys tell me they are good?), if that goes ok The dragon can be next. I was in no way implying that the Aiwa Excelias are better machines than the Naks, but in my opinion "head to head" using the inbuilt noise reduction circuits the Aiwas DBX and its super flat frequency response ( to 21khz +-3db. type 4. verified by the service tech!) is truer to the original, especially with digital sources than MY Naks using inbuilt Dolby. I have little usefull "cassette" tech know-how, only my ears! but I think you might agree that Naks (all the ones I have owned anyway!) tend to sweeten things up a little! This may be, of course due to the azimuth and bias settings having drifted, and I suppose this can be partially corrected before recordings are made, But I don't think the average owner is likely to do this is he? I have, over many years "collected" a pile of so called "hifi" equipment so I can now listen to music the way I want to, to protect my valuable sources I need to record on tape or what have you. I want the playback to be as near to the original as is possible. I use analogue tape recorders to achieve that. but some do better that others. Out of interest this is my order of preference: 1. ReVox B77 half track 7.5 ips r to r. no NR. 2. ReVox B710, extnl DBX. 3. Aiwa Excelia XK009 intnl DBX. 4. Nak Dragon. no NR applied. This is my preference, and I realise others will very much disagree with me, that's life! that's what makes it interesting, OK? I have spent my working life with electro-mechanical machines and electronics and from my experience I can tell you there is no "Ultimate" cassette recorder! each one I own is flawed by design, mechanically or electronically, in some way of another. Even Naks (those bloody orange caps, and cheap pully wheels)! and, dare I say it, the revered Dragon !! -----Original Message----- From: wme drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: 03 January 2005 16:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by people that have the correct calibration and adjustment instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who does not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced by competent people(known for their competence in the trade )but who dont have the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that Stephen Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind that those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your excellent machine! Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying in waiting) ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCELIA decks - I got them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price of only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these models seem to be professional models and most found there way into studios as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines serviced with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio technician may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This was the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two ReVox R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a problem and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa XK 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my man"! All I can say is that it will be worth it! In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for �18.00, superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the only problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to balanced outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get around. In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" tail and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! and the 009 can "chase the Dragon" and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C . I had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes that are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at �50.00 a shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick ass" with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies and always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks appeal is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called "that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as good as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good tape and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! 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Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jan 4 20:28:42 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:28:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like Message-ID: <20050104192842.YMIQ1657.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Richard, Do you charge admission to enter your home? LOL Wow, what a collection!! Did you scout for these on your own or did people know of your love for recording gear and contacted you? Just curious. Roland > > From: "Richard L. Hess" > Date: 2005/01/04 Tue PM 02:06:13 EST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > Walter, > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and a fifth waiting > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > coincidence. > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer A807s running as > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > New photos coming...sometime. > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for Graham in the UK > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the world! So > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no cassette well > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not been able to > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a CR7 door for one > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if anyone finds > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand spankin new > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > purpose! > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them themselves.Imagine having to > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? When I was > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a store, working. > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying scrap metal. > > > > Bala > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > Dragons > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, Walter, so > > that > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > >Grinham > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf > > >Of Sándor István > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying > > >in > > >waiting)" > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > István > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: wme drewes > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally serviced by > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a Dragon who > > does > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have been serviced > > by > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade )but who dont > > have > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > Stephen > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) Bear in mind > > >that > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! Please dont touch > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment for complete > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie latent in your > > >excellent machine! > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the water lying > > >in > > >waiting) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > To: naktalk > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the XK009! that's a > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! IA decks - I > > got > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair came at a price > > of > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that both these > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > studios > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > >serviced > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I was about to > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > technician > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty about! This > > >was > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together with my two > > >ReVox > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break the bank. The > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > problem > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > >XK > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in contact with "my > > man"! > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and are usually > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > >£18.00, > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For domestic use the > > only > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). The mains > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any mains hum?, and > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > balanced > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this is easy to get > > >around. > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > >tail > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX switched in! > > >and > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 using Dolby C > > . > > >I > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European stock cassettes > > >that > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred at £50.00 a > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to DBX "kick > > ass" > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted to Dolby B/C! > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > >and > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > appeal > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told me it is called > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette decks! and as > > >good > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed with a good > > tape > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Main! tain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Learn more. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From flifton at mac.com Tue Jan 4 20:40:55 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:40:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <200501040803.j0482sHZ029923@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501040803.j0482sHZ029923@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <8CE7E3A7-5E88-11D9-8164-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the meaning understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I used to put it to my composition students: You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." 2. "Gimme a Bud." Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". Those students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; considered in context it's better English than the first. So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he meant, it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was appropriate given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. Fred On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:03 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Nelson > Date: January 3, 2005 5:09:25 PM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank > cassette? > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hmmm .... as an expert in English, I should be offended by American > English, > with its corrupt spelling and divergence from the true language. I > mean, > why do those guys always say "negative" when a simple "no" would > suffice? > And what good reason was there to change the spelling of colour to > color or > tyre to tire?? <> > > So, in defence of me good ol' mate Gerald... (not that he needs me to > defend > him.) Atroshius grammor and spelin didnt stop John Clare becoming > one of > the finest poets of the English language. He's way up there with > Byron, > Keats and Wordsworth, with his nature works probably being the finest > of ALL > English speaking poets. Why, if Clare had been born a few years later > he'd > have been an analogue fan and used an all-manual Nakamichi, like a > ZX-7 !!! > > Besides, in Shakespeare's day, the more ways you could spell a word was > reckoned to show (or shew) the extent of one's creativity. Indeed, > The > Bard himself spelt his name various different ways. So, which pompous > (probably academic) git made themselves Emperor of the English > language and > decided on its rules? (Hmmm ... I'll bet their decendants work for > Sony, > Microsoft and the 53 States ... ) And if those rules count for > anything, > why do we tolerate American English at all especially the > bastardisation of > the English language by US exported corruptions of the language such as > "gay" (which once meant 'disposed of joy and mirth'), "take out" (once > meaning "to remove", now 'to kill'), "neutralize" (once meant 'to > render > neutral', not 'to kill') and the inclusion of Orwellianisms as > "collateral > damage" (which means "dead or injured civilians") and "blue on blue" > (which > means 'we just killed our own people') ??? > > What counts in really good writing are the words that are used and the > order > in which they are placed to convey a message, a feeling, a mood, not > how > they are spelt nor the arbitrary grammatical pointings about which, as > John > Claire observed, grammarians seldom agree anyway. > > And, as a student of writing (Masters Degree in Writing Studies) I'd > say > good ol' Gerald is one of the finest writers to visit NakTalk. > > He knows a thing or too about Nak's and hi fi, as well !! > > Gra' (MA) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4247 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 4 19:53:17 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:53:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <005c01c4f1fb$2b1ca780$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> References: <005c01c4f1fb$2b1ca780$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41DAE61D.8050605@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Stereo isn't inherently better than mono, though I admit I like the added dimension it brings, if done correctly. The underlying issue is that, in truth, most stereo mixes aren’t as well made as most mono mixes were, especially in the early days of stereo. With a mono mix, you must get the microphone placement and the balances correct or the recording won’t sound too good. With a stereo mix, you can make quite a few errors yet have an acceptable recording. At one time, record labels made TWO mixes of each recording: a mono mix and a stereo mix. The mono mix was considered the important one because it was broadcast, which was where the money was, and hence was done quite well. The stereo mix was regarded as a consumer gimmick, and often as an afterthought. It's no wonder they were so mediocre. This led to a backlash among the recording buying public and a misunderstanding among HiFi buffs that, somehow, mono is/was better than stereo as far as preserving tone and musical balance. See? What's really happening is well-done mono versus poorly-done stereo. Poor technique always sounds worse then good technique, yes? Yes! I’ve found that IF you can find a flawlessly done stereo recording then you’ll have just as good a sense of tone as a good mono one, arguably better because the spatial effect makes the sound more natural and realistic, enhancing the brain's perception of "tone". When I teach recording I force my students to mix in mono at first until they’ve perfected their technique. (Oh how they grumble!) Only then are they allowed to “graduate” to stereo. Makes all the difference -- a good mono mix is much harder to achieve than you would expect. My teaching tools: Nakamichi 550, Bogen CDM mixer (mono only, no EQ on channels and bass/treble on output), three Shure SM59, two ElectroVoice 635A, two ElectroVoice DS-35 and one Sennheiser MD421U microphones. This rig can make some truly excellent recordings! If I have a big class, then one or two students are stuck with my Uher 4400 Report or 1000 Report Pilot and either Uher's mediocre M517 mic or a Shure 545. These rigs can still make quite good recordings, but being limited to only one mic and one track makes some projects challenging. (I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment.) Reprocessed stereo recordings are horrible; they use reverb and wierd EQ tricks to get a stereo-like effect. Even blended back into mono they still sound awful, with rare exceptions. Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long ago > I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > makes £250-£500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, > by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building up > some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that a > wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds like > a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget stereo > altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from > any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your £500 > model?" He said, "Yes." > > Gra' > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 4 15:48:44 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:48:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <005b01c4f1fa$0843de00$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050103094627.01b92920@psulias.psu.edu> <005b01c4f1fa$0843de00$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050104093941.01b39380@psulias.psu.edu> Well that's fine. You keep telling yourself that. It is one thing for someone like Mark Twain or William Faulkner to butcher the English/American language in an effort to evoke a sense of time, place or character, quite another when you're trying to effectively communicate ideas. If a person can't take the time to present his ideas clearly and correctly, why should I believe they took adequate time to form the ideas to begin with? Everyone makes errors when typing, but at a certain point you're going to lose your audience. >What counts in really good writing are the words that are used and the order >in which they are placed to convey a message, a feeling, a mood, not how >they are spelt nor the arbitrary grammatical pointings about which, as John >Claire observed, grammarians seldom agree anyway. > >And, as a student of writing (Masters Degree in Writing Studies) I'd say >good ol' Gerald is one of the finest writers to visit NakTalk. > >He knows a thing or too about Nak's and hi fi, as well !! > >Gra' (MA) From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 4 16:25:27 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:25:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR2 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050104102104.019dd540@psulias.psu.edu> I've got a CR-2 which, unfortunately, just seems to have tossed it's capistan belt or something. Play will engage, hub will try to spin but then shuts off automatically. Still works intermittently, and FF/RW function %100. Anyhow, I really have no need for it anymore and someone may want to fix it or use it for a gear upgrade. Make an offer, add shipping, and it could be yours. I have the manual as well. P.S. Oddly the CR-2 feels a little more sturdy, especially the door, than the CR-5. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 21:23:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:23:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <00a101c4f294$86e431c0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050104202307.87110.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> I've yet to see a Simon Yorke here where I live. The local dealer hasnt brought in any. My VPI while good, is cumbersome at times. My 78 decks though is a Thorens 124, with a SME 3010 arm.. But the Yorke can do from 16 to 90 rpm stepless and is the choice turntable for the US Library of Congress, which has 12 of these! (I think I got the library name right, but forgive me if I'm wrong). Bala Nelson wrote: Richard Delicious picture! Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with your recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable (http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with variable speeds for the "78s'". You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever made? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > Walter, > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > a fifth waiting > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > coincidence. > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > A807s running as > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > New photos coming...sometime. > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > Graham in the UK > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > world! So > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > cassette well > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > been able to > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > CR7 door for one > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > anyone finds > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > spankin new > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > purpose! > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > themselves.Imagine having to > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > When I was > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > store, working. > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > scrap metal. > > > > Bala > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > Dragons > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > Walter, so > > that > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > >Grinham > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf > > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > the water lying > > >in > > >waiting)" > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > Istv�n > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: wme drewes > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > serviced by > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > Dragon who > > does > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > been serviced > > by > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > )but who dont > > have > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > Stephen > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > Bear in mind > > >that > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > Please dont touch > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > for complete > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > latent in your > > >excellent machine! > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > water lying > > >in > > >waiting) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > To: naktalk > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > XK009! that's a > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > IA decks - I > > got > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > came at a price > > of > > >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > both these > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > studios > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > >serviced > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > was about to > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > technician > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > about! This > > >was > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > with my two > > >ReVox > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > the bank. The > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > problem > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > >XK > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > contact with "my > > man"! > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > are usually > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > >�18.00, > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > domestic use the > > only > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > The mains > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > mains hum?, and > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > balanced > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > is easy to get > > >around. > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > >tail > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > switched in! > > >and > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > using Dolby C > > . > > >I > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > stock cassettes > > >that > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > at �50.00 a > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > DBX "kick > > ass" > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > to Dolby B/C! > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > >and > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > appeal > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > me it is called > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > decks! and as > > >good > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > with a good > > tape > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Main! tain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at richardhess.com Tue Jan 4 22:54:54 2005 From: richard at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:54:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <00a101c4f294$86e431c0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> References: <00a101c4f294$86e431c0$0a904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1104875694.41db10aeed962@www.richardhess.com> Gra' My turntable is for my own enjoyment. I don't advertise that I transfer vinyl--and generally refer that to other people. I transfer tapes as my business. The APR-16 is a one-inch, 16-track version of the 24-track 2-inch APR-24. I also have 1/2-inch 4-track, 1/2-inch 8-track, and 1-inch 8-track heads for it. It has many parts in common with the APR-24 and the APR-5003V. They made the prototype to compete with 1-inch 16 track machines from Otari, etc., just as ADATs were coming out. Hence, no one was interested. I'm not sure how it avoided the crusher, but I now have it. Most stuff today is recorded to the PC not the CDR-W33s and I'm doing a lot of stuff at 88.2/24. Cheers, Richard -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/ Quoting Nelson : > Richard > > Delicious picture! > > Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with your > recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a > Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable > (http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I > read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with > variable speeds for the "78s'". > > You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever > made? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Walter, > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > a fifth waiting > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > coincidence. > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > A807s running as > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > Richard L. Hess > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > Graham in the UK > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > world! So > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > cassette well > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > been able to > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > CR7 door for one > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > anyone finds > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > spankin new > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > purpose! > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > When I was > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > store, working. > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > scrap metal. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > Dragons > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > Walter, so > > > that > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > the water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > István > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > serviced by > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > Dragon who > > > does > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > been serviced > > > by > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > )but who dont > > > have > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > Stephen > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > Bear in mind > > > >that > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > Please dont touch > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > for complete > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > latent in your > > > >excellent machine! > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > To: naktalk > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > XK009! that's a > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > IA decks - I > > > got > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > came at a price > > > of > > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > both these > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > studios > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > >serviced > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > was about to > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > technician > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > about! This > > > >was > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > with my two > > > >ReVox > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > the bank. The > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > problem > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > >XK > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > contact with "my > > > man"! > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > are usually > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > >£18.00, > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > domestic use the > > > only > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > The mains > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > mains hum?, and > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > balanced > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > is easy to get > > > >around. > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > >tail > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > switched in! > > > >and > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > using Dolby C > > > . > > > >I > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > stock cassettes > > > >that > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > at £50.00 a > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > DBX "kick > > > ass" > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > >and > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > appeal > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > me it is called > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > decks! and as > > > >good > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > with a good > > > tape > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 5 06:17:55 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:17:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <20050104193050.15188.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050104193050.15188.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41DB7883.70303@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott, Have an alignment cassette question for you. How do I compensate for the differences between IEC1 and IEC2 eq curves when checking an IEC1 Nak but using an IEC2 alignment cassette? My guess is that the IEC2 tape will read +4 dB more at 15 kHz than an IEC1 tape. So, instead of checking that the 15 kHz tone reads -10 VU, I'd let it read - 6 VU (with 1 kHz and below still reading -10 VU)? Or is this wrong? N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 09:50:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:50:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <20050104202307.87110.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Bala! $:7,000 for a Turntable..., the Yorke!!! I can live with my vintage Technics SL-120 yet!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:23:07 -0800 (PST) > >I've yet to see a Simon Yorke here where I live. The local dealer hasnt >brought in any. My VPI while good, is cumbersome at times. My 78 decks >though is a Thorens 124, with a SME 3010 arm.. But the Yorke can do from 16 >to 90 rpm stepless and is the choice turntable for the US Library of >Congress, which has 12 of these! (I think I got the library name right, >but forgive me if I'm wrong). > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Richard > >Delicious picture! > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with >your >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with >variable speeds for the "78s'". > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever >made? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Walter, > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > a fifth waiting > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > coincidence. > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > A807s running as > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > Richard L. Hess > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > Graham in the UK > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > world! So > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > cassette well > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > been able to > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > CR7 door for one > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > anyone finds > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > spankin new > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > purpose! > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > When I was > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which >was > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > store, working. > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > scrap metal. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > Dragons > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > Walter, so > > > that > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > the water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > Istv�n > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > serviced by > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > Dragon who > > > does > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > been serviced > > > by > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > )but who dont > > > have > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > Stephen > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > Bear in mind > > > >that > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > Please dont touch > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > for complete > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > latent in your > > > >excellent machine! > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > To: naktalk > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > XK009! that's a > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > IA decks - I > > > got > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > came at a price > > > of > > > >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > both these > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > studios > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > >serviced > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > was about to > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > technician > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > about! This > > > >was > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > with my two > > > >ReVox > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > the bank. The > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > problem > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > >XK > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > contact with "my > > > man"! > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > are usually > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > >�18.00, > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > domestic use the > > > only > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > The mains > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > mains hum?, and > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > balanced > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > is easy to get > > > >around. > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > >tail > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > switched in! > > > >and > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > using Dolby C > > > . > > > >I > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > stock cassettes > > > >that > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > at �50.00 a > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > DBX "kick > > > ass" > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > >and > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > appeal > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > me it is called > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > decks! and as > > > >good > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > with a good > > > tape > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Mail SpamGuard. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 10:17:27 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:17:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit Message-ID: Dear Bala! Just I sent to your Yahoo address, two digit photos, that I take it specially for you! Will show my equipment minus the turntable that is cover with a cloth, and part of my ONE JBL speaker. PS..Who want to look my equipment, please Off of Topic send me your mail address! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0800 (PST) > >Wow Alex, you hit the nail real exact. I was talking about that and the 77. >I have a friend who sent me snips of a mail sent to him by the designer >Modafferi who acknowledges the better of them both in sonic terms. Also, >there is elsewhere a detailed study in at which stages the 78 was designed >to sacrifice sound quality for signal strength. And of course, 30 years on, >there are things that can be done to get a better sound, without >sacrificing the DX capability of the '78. I have the 77, 78 and 80 and I >prefer the relax sound of the 77. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >Sorry but... I DON'T AGREED! Today I use also from my family a McIntosh >MR-78 with his originally walnut cabinet in our family since >1974...UNTOUCHED SINCE THEN...! and such newer "Digitally" tuner...sorry to >write is simple a "SHIT"...in sound quality!!! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Graham, and Kermit, > > > > I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these > >days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My preference > >is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and > >sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true sound. >I > >realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with a > >slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a >debate > >of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ the > >same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When >new, > >the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a >full > >USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to > >outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, you > >can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations > >with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this was > >the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10! > > B). The > > cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after >all > >that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive >tuner > >to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put >back > >both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a simpler > >filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most > >beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. > > > >There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( >point > >is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the > >right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out > >there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my >Nak > >680. > > > >Bala > > > >Nelson wrote: > >Hi Kermit > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long >ago > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building > >up > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so >that > >a > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > >like > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget >stereo > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music >from > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > >model?" 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Learn more. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 10:19:51 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:19:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050104093941.01b39380@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <004501c4f307$b6a1e380$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> "If a person can't take the time to present his ideas clearly and correctly, why should I believe they took adequate time to form the ideas to begin with? " Answer: For the same reason as you'd not judge a fellow by the colour of his skin ... or the clothes he chooses to wear, the God he worships, or the Nakamichi he owns ... PS I noticed some grammatical errors - a missed / misplaced commas and a missed word in your email! Should one draw any conclusions from that? <> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 04 January 2005 14:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > Well that's fine. You keep telling yourself that. > It is one thing for someone like Mark Twain or William Faulkner > to butcher > the English/American language in an effort to evoke a sense of > time, place > or character, quite another when you're trying to effectively communicate > ideas. If a person can't take the time to present his ideas clearly and > correctly, why should I believe they took adequate time to form the ideas > to begin with? Everyone makes errors when typing, but at a certain point > you're going to lose your audience. > > > > >What counts in really good writing are the words that are used > and the order > >in which they are placed to convey a message, a feeling, a mood, not how > >they are spelt nor the arbitrary grammatical pointings about > which, as John > >Claire observed, grammarians seldom agree anyway. > > > >And, as a student of writing (Masters Degree in Writing Studies) I'd say > >good ol' Gerald is one of the finest writers to visit NakTalk. > > > >He knows a thing or too about Nak's and hi fi, as well !! > > > >Gra' (MA) > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 10:52:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:52:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <41DAE61D.8050605@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <004f01c4f30c$477abe00$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> That's most interesting, Kermit. I take your point about recording in stereo and taking that signal through the line back to reproduction. I suppose (at least it seems in my greenhorn way!) that the matter is a little different with FM radio, where additional circuit is required to demodulate the signal and reproduce the stereo. Thence, perhaps something of the tonal quality captured and transmitted will inevitably be lost at that stage. I have certainly noticed that my tuners offer better mid range (e.g. voices) when the stereo circuit is switched out for mono output. So, when I am recording off air (usually onto my Nak ZX-9) sometimes I use the mono signal - e.g. for orchestral pieces or piano solo, where (it seems to me) the stereo image adds little to my enjoyment, or at least not as much as hearing the difference between a violin and a viola when the orchestra is in full flow (which seem more apparent with the mono output.) You said, "I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment" Yeah, I heard they'd been doing that to some of the captured Taliban and blaming it on the FBI! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 04 January 2005 18:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > Hi Gra' > > Stereo isn't inherently better than mono, though I admit I like the > added dimension it brings, if done correctly. The underlying issue is > that, in truth, most stereo mixes aren’t as well made as most mono mixes > were, especially in the early days of stereo. With a mono mix, you must > get the microphone placement and the balances correct or the recording > won’t sound too good. With a stereo mix, you can make quite a few errors > yet have an acceptable recording. At one time, record labels made TWO > mixes of each recording: a mono mix and a stereo mix. The mono mix was > considered the important one because it was broadcast, which was where > the money was, and hence was done quite well. The stereo mix was > regarded as a consumer gimmick, and often as an afterthought. It's no > wonder they were so mediocre. This led to a backlash among the recording > buying public and a misunderstanding among HiFi buffs that, somehow, > mono is/was better than stereo as far as preserving tone and musical > balance. See? What's really happening is well-done mono versus > poorly-done stereo. Poor technique always sounds worse then good > technique, yes? Yes! > > I’ve found that IF you can find a flawlessly done stereo recording then > you’ll have just as good a sense of tone as a good mono one, arguably > better because the spatial effect makes the sound more natural and > realistic, enhancing the brain's perception of "tone". > > When I teach recording I force my students to mix in mono at first until > they’ve perfected their technique. (Oh how they grumble!) Only then are > they allowed to “graduate” to stereo. Makes all the difference -- a good > mono mix is much harder to achieve than you would expect. > > My teaching tools: Nakamichi 550, Bogen CDM mixer (mono only, no EQ on > channels and bass/treble on output), three Shure SM59, two ElectroVoice > 635A, two ElectroVoice DS-35 and one Sennheiser MD421U microphones. This > rig can make some truly excellent recordings! If I have a big class, > then one or two students are stuck with my Uher 4400 Report or 1000 > Report Pilot and either Uher's mediocre M517 mic or a Shure 545. These > rigs can still make quite good recordings, but being limited to only one > mic and one track makes some projects challenging. (I would never force > anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane > treatment.) > > Reprocessed stereo recordings are horrible; they use reverb and wierd EQ > tricks to get a stereo-like effect. Even blended back into mono they > still sound awful, with rare exceptions. > > > Nelson wrote: > > Hi Kermit > > > > As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > > recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > > instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and > speakers to > > reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, > not so long ago > > I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - > that is, he > > makes £250-£500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > > celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > Troughlines. (Leak, > > by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which > was made for > > them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > > reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather > than building up > > some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want > "stereo" but > > stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > right, so that a > > wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a > Steinberg sounds like > > a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should > forget stereo > > altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > music from > > any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your £500 > > model?" He said, "Yes." > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 11:36:25 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:36:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <004f01c4f30c$477abe00$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Dear Graham! You said, "I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment" Yeah, I heard they'd been doing that to some of the captured Taliban and blaming it on the FBI! I Think...that is to expensive for the most of us!!! Uher's are much...much cheaper; and do the same for mostly of us!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:52:31 -0000 > >That's most interesting, Kermit. I take your point about recording in >stereo and taking that signal through the line back to reproduction. I >suppose (at least it seems in my greenhorn way!) that the matter is a >little >different with FM radio, where additional circuit is required to demodulate >the signal and reproduce the stereo. Thence, perhaps something of the >tonal >quality captured and transmitted will inevitably be lost at that stage. I >have certainly noticed that my tuners offer better mid range (e.g. voices) >when the stereo circuit is switched out for mono output. So, when I am >recording off air (usually onto my Nak ZX-9) sometimes I use the mono >signal - e.g. for orchestral pieces or piano solo, where (it seems to me) >the stereo image adds little to my enjoyment, or at least not as much as >hearing the difference between a violin and a viola when the orchestra is >in >full flow (which seem more apparent with the mono output.) > >You said, "I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the >Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment" Yeah, I heard they'd been doing >that to some of the captured Taliban and blaming it on the FBI! > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 04 January 2005 18:53 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Kermit > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > Stereo isn't inherently better than mono, though I admit I like the > > added dimension it brings, if done correctly. The underlying issue is > > that, in truth, most stereo mixes aren�t as well made as most mono mixes > > were, especially in the early days of stereo. With a mono mix, you must > > get the microphone placement and the balances correct or the recording > > won�t sound too good. With a stereo mix, you can make quite a few errors > > yet have an acceptable recording. At one time, record labels made TWO > > mixes of each recording: a mono mix and a stereo mix. The mono mix was > > considered the important one because it was broadcast, which was where > > the money was, and hence was done quite well. The stereo mix was > > regarded as a consumer gimmick, and often as an afterthought. It's no > > wonder they were so mediocre. This led to a backlash among the recording > > buying public and a misunderstanding among HiFi buffs that, somehow, > > mono is/was better than stereo as far as preserving tone and musical > > balance. See? What's really happening is well-done mono versus > > poorly-done stereo. Poor technique always sounds worse then good > > technique, yes? Yes! > > > > I�ve found that IF you can find a flawlessly done stereo recording then > > you�ll have just as good a sense of tone as a good mono one, arguably > > better because the spatial effect makes the sound more natural and > > realistic, enhancing the brain's perception of "tone". > > > > When I teach recording I force my students to mix in mono at first until > > they�ve perfected their technique. (Oh how they grumble!) Only then are > > they allowed to �graduate� to stereo. Makes all the difference -- a good > > mono mix is much harder to achieve than you would expect. > > > > My teaching tools: Nakamichi 550, Bogen CDM mixer (mono only, no EQ on > > channels and bass/treble on output), three Shure SM59, two ElectroVoice > > 635A, two ElectroVoice DS-35 and one Sennheiser MD421U microphones. This > > rig can make some truly excellent recordings! If I have a big class, > > then one or two students are stuck with my Uher 4400 Report or 1000 > > Report Pilot and either Uher's mediocre M517 mic or a Shure 545. These > > rigs can still make quite good recordings, but being limited to only one > > mic and one track makes some projects challenging. (I would never force > > anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane > > treatment.) > > > > Reprocessed stereo recordings are horrible; they use reverb and wierd EQ > > tricks to get a stereo-like effect. Even blended back into mono they > > still sound awful, with rare exceptions. > > > > > > Nelson wrote: > > > Hi Kermit > > > > > > As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > > > recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > > > instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and > > speakers to > > > reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, > > not so long ago > > > I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - > > that is, he > > > makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > > > celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak > > Troughlines. (Leak, > > > by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which > > was made for > > > them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > > > reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather > > than building up > > > some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want > > "stereo" but > > > stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound > > right, so that a > > > wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a > > Steinberg sounds like > > > a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should > > forget stereo > > > altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the > > music from > > > any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > > > model?" He said, "Yes." > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 09:53:32 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:53:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <1104875694.41db10aeed962@www.richardhess.com> Message-ID: <20050105085332.89116.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> I guess while the W33s give a great sound, recording to pcs give a more accurate sound. But whats 88.2/24? Bala "Richard L. Hess" wrote: Gra' My turntable is for my own enjoyment. I don't advertise that I transfer vinyl--and generally refer that to other people. I transfer tapes as my business. The APR-16 is a one-inch, 16-track version of the 24-track 2-inch APR-24. I also have 1/2-inch 4-track, 1/2-inch 8-track, and 1-inch 8-track heads for it. It has many parts in common with the APR-24 and the APR-5003V. They made the prototype to compete with 1-inch 16 track machines from Otari, etc., just as ADATs were coming out. Hence, no one was interested. I'm not sure how it avoided the crusher, but I now have it. Most stuff today is recorded to the PC not the CDR-W33s and I'm doing a lot of stuff at 88.2/24. Cheers, Richard -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/ Quoting Nelson : > Richard > > Delicious picture! > > Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with your > recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a > Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable > (http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I > read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with > variable speeds for the "78s'". > > You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever > made? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Walter, > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > a fifth waiting > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > coincidence. > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > A807s running as > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > Richard L. Hess > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > Graham in the UK > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > world! So > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > cassette well > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > been able to > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > CR7 door for one > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > anyone finds > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > spankin new > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > purpose! > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > When I was > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which was > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > store, working. > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > scrap metal. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > Dragons > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > Walter, so > > > that > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > the water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > Istv�n > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > serviced by > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > Dragon who > > > does > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > been serviced > > > by > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > )but who dont > > > have > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > Stephen > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > Bear in mind > > > >that > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > Please dont touch > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > for complete > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > latent in your > > > >excellent machine! > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > To: naktalk > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > XK009! that's a > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > IA decks - I > > > got > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > came at a price > > > of > > > >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > both these > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > studios > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > >serviced > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > was about to > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > technician > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > about! This > > > >was > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > with my two > > > >ReVox > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > the bank. The > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > problem > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > >XK > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > contact with "my > > > man"! > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > are usually > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > >�18.00, > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > domestic use the > > > only > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > The mains > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > mains hum?, and > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > balanced > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > is easy to get > > > >around. > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > >tail > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > switched in! > > > >and > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > using Dolby C > > > . > > > >I > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > stock cassettes > > > >that > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > at �50.00 a > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > DBX "kick > > > ass" > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > >and > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > appeal > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > me it is called > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > decks! and as > > > >good > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > with a good > > > tape > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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The all-new My Yahoo! � Get yours free! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 10:00:35 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:00:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050105090035.44069.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Well thats what I thought, until I changed my Thorens 125 for a VPI TNT IV and 12in arm... Its a totally different sound Alex. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Bala! $:7,000 for a Turntable..., the Yorke!!! I can live with my vintage Technics SL-120 yet!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:23:07 -0800 (PST) > >I've yet to see a Simon Yorke here where I live. The local dealer hasnt >brought in any. My VPI while good, is cumbersome at times. My 78 decks >though is a Thorens 124, with a SME 3010 arm.. But the Yorke can do from 16 >to 90 rpm stepless and is the choice turntable for the US Library of >Congress, which has 12 of these! (I think I got the library name right, >but forgive me if I'm wrong). > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Richard > >Delicious picture! > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with >your >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with >variable speeds for the "78s'". > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever >made? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Walter, > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > a fifth waiting > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > coincidence. > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > A807s running as > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > Richard L. Hess > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > Graham in the UK > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > world! So > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > cassette well > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > been able to > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > CR7 door for one > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > anyone finds > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > spankin new > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > purpose! > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > When I was > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which >was > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > store, working. > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > scrap metal. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > Dragons > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > Walter, so > > > that > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > the water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > Istv�n > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > serviced by > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > Dragon who > > > does > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > been serviced > > > by > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > )but who dont > > > have > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > Stephen > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > Bear in mind > > > >that > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > Please dont touch > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > for complete > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > latent in your > > > >excellent machine! > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > To: naktalk > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > XK009! that's a > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > IA decks - I > > > got > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > came at a price > > > of > > > >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > both these > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > studios > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > >serviced > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > was about to > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > technician > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > about! This > > > >was > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > with my two > > > >ReVox > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > the bank. The > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > problem > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > >XK > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > contact with "my > > > man"! > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > are usually > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > >�18.00, > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > domestic use the > > > only > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > The mains > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > mains hum?, and > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > balanced > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > is easy to get > > > >around. > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > >tail > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > switched in! > > > >and > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > using Dolby C > > > . > > > >I > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > stock cassettes > > > >that > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > at �50.00 a > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > DBX "kick > > > ass" > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > >and > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > appeal > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > me it is called > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > decks! and as > > > >good > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > with a good > > > tape > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 10:10:35 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:10:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <41DAE61D.8050605@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050105091035.38683.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Kermit, Sometime ago, I was told in another forum which specialized in recording techniques using minidiscs, that the stereo mic pair was one of the best way to capture stereo recording. You dont go thru two much mixing and capture the music as is. How would you rate this approach? Also, it seems lots of commerical studios and broadcast companies are using compression to achieve a high sound volume on the media. While compression has been in use to sqeeuze more songs into an lp, the heavier types now in use seem to make music sound terrible. Agree? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Gra' Stereo isn't inherently better than mono, though I admit I like the added dimension it brings, if done correctly. The underlying issue is that, in truth, most stereo mixes aren�t as well made as most mono mixes were, especially in the early days of stereo. With a mono mix, you must get the microphone placement and the balances correct or the recording won�t sound too good. With a stereo mix, you can make quite a few errors yet have an acceptable recording. At one time, record labels made TWO mixes of each recording: a mono mix and a stereo mix. The mono mix was considered the important one because it was broadcast, which was where the money was, and hence was done quite well. The stereo mix was regarded as a consumer gimmick, and often as an afterthought. It's no wonder they were so mediocre. This led to a backlash among the recording buying public and a misunderstanding among HiFi buffs that, somehow, mono is/was better than stereo as far as preserving tone and musical balance. See? What's really happening is well-done mono versus poorly-done stereo. Poor technique always sounds worse then good technique, yes? Yes! I�ve found that IF you can find a flawlessly done stereo recording then you�ll have just as good a sense of tone as a good mono one, arguably better because the spatial effect makes the sound more natural and realistic, enhancing the brain's perception of "tone". When I teach recording I force my students to mix in mono at first until they�ve perfected their technique. (Oh how they grumble!) Only then are they allowed to �graduate� to stereo. Makes all the difference -- a good mono mix is much harder to achieve than you would expect. My teaching tools: Nakamichi 550, Bogen CDM mixer (mono only, no EQ on channels and bass/treble on output), three Shure SM59, two ElectroVoice 635A, two ElectroVoice DS-35 and one Sennheiser MD421U microphones. This rig can make some truly excellent recordings! If I have a big class, then one or two students are stuck with my Uher 4400 Report or 1000 Report Pilot and either Uher's mediocre M517 mic or a Shure 545. These rigs can still make quite good recordings, but being limited to only one mic and one track makes some projects challenging. (I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment.) Reprocessed stereo recordings are horrible; they use reverb and wierd EQ tricks to get a stereo-like effect. Even blended back into mono they still sound awful, with rare exceptions. Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long ago > I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, > by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building up > some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so that a > wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds like > a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget stereo > altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music from > any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > model?" He said, "Yes." > > Gra' > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jan 5 10:20:51 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:20:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <8CE7E3A7-5E88-11D9-8164-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: Fred, I hope that you are not suggesting that any of the subscribers to this conference are 350lb sweaty pin headed fellows from rural Alabama! Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the meaning understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I used to put it to my composition students: You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." 2. "Gimme a Bud." Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". Those students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; considered in context it's better English than the first. So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he meant, it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was appropriate given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marilorn at abeam.ocn.ne.jp Wed Jan 5 09:51:09 2005 From: marilorn at abeam.ocn.ne.jp (Lorne Spry) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:51:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and TDK..... In-Reply-To: <200412311101.iBVB1ZHb008239@zebra.naks.com> References: <200412311101.iBVB1ZHb008239@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith I have some Maxell XLII tapes around here that were recorded ages ago. I love this tape, and I wish I could still find a supply of it. Other members may give you a direct comparison. I my case, I will only certify what I absolutely know. XLII/XLII-S is a very durable and dependable tape with admirable sonic qualities. I'd say that my XLII tapes stand in the next rank behind my TDK MA-ex tapes for both toughness and sound. Nothing wrong with the SA either if you have difficulty with the other. Compared to the choices out there on many of the shelves today, anything from the front ranks of the golden age of cassette recording is a good trove find. If it is long-time NOS, one takes the chance as to whether it was stored safely. If the price is right, I WOULD take the chance with XLII-S. Let us know how it works out. - Lorne in Sendai, Japan From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 10:31:56 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:31:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050105093156.12059.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I just saw your two photos, and really, I love the cabinet you have on the 78. Was that the SP10 sitting above it? Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Bala! Just I sent to your Yahoo address, two digit photos, that I take it specially for you! Will show my equipment minus the turntable that is cover with a cloth, and part of my ONE JBL speaker. PS..Who want to look my equipment, please Off of Topic send me your mail address! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0800 (PST) > >Wow Alex, you hit the nail real exact. I was talking about that and the 77. >I have a friend who sent me snips of a mail sent to him by the designer >Modafferi who acknowledges the better of them both in sonic terms. Also, >there is elsewhere a detailed study in at which stages the 78 was designed >to sacrifice sound quality for signal strength. And of course, 30 years on, >there are things that can be done to get a better sound, without >sacrificing the DX capability of the '78. I have the 77, 78 and 80 and I >prefer the relax sound of the 77. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >Sorry but... I DON'T AGREED! Today I use also from my family a McIntosh >MR-78 with his originally walnut cabinet in our family since >1974...UNTOUCHED SINCE THEN...! and such newer "Digitally" tuner...sorry to >write is simple a "SHIT"...in sound quality!!! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Graham, and Kermit, > > > > I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these > >days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My preference > >is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and > >sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true sound. >I > >realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with a > >slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a >debate > >of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ the > >same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When >new, > >the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a >full > >USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to > >outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, you > >can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations > >with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this was > >the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10! > > B). The > > cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after >all > >that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive >tuner > >to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put >back > >both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a simpler > >filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most > >beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. > > > >There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( >point > >is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the > >right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out > >there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my >Nak > >680. > > > >Bala > > > >Nelson wrote: > >Hi Kermit > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers to > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long >ago > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, he > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. (Leak, > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made for > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than building > >up > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so >that > >a > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > >like > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget >stereo > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music >from > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. 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Message-ID: You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the exact name escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have an unbiased view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one conclusion after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these "monster" vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to have as your vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have the sound of crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) N >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:53 -0500 > >From: "neil lipes" > > > Yes....... sorry fellows, but the amount of testosterone on NYC streets >is > > overwhelming!.....and sorry but, what is with all the females that are 5 > > foot tall behind the wheels of these monsters??? I guess the operative >word > > is a INTIMIDATE! Those vehicles are a menace no two ways about it. > >Some of the drivers of any vehicle (not just SUV's) are the menace, not the >vehicles. Do most of the people who drive SUV's actually "need" them? >Probably not, but the same argument could be made of our Nakamichi tape >decks too - we could get by quite well with a CD recorder, but we enjoy our >Naks. Same thing with vehicles and many other material things. > >But I ask again if this is the Naktalk list or if I've been transferred to >another... >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >Land Rover Discovery and Nak CR-7A Owner > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Jan 5 16:11:38 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:11:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC03AA.4020308@cox.net> Neil - I'm not a New Yorker, but my wife was until I married her and 'made' her move down to VA. During my episodes of driving in Manhattan I noticed a definite pecking order to vehicles and traffic rights on the streets. Dump trucks and vehicles of their ilk were definitely the top of the heap. They did whatever they wanted to do and everyone else seemed to accomodate them. Next were big delivery trucks, the bigger the better, and then there was this whole battle going on between cabs and buses and limos. People in normal cars were at the mercy of all of the above, but even with the normal cars there were levels of peckmanship. Since I didn't live there, but just had to deal with it sporadically, I found it all very amusing. At the time I owned a Jeep Cherokee and a Saturn. Other drivers gave me greater latitude and more deference when I was driving the Jeep, and in the Saturn I just sort of disappeared into the throng and was ignored entirely. The most fun I ever had on the streets of Manhattan was when we moved my wife out. I rented a 24 foot U-Haul truck and drove it from 24th and 2nd Ave out of the city and down to VA, and boy it was refreshing to have everyone get out of my way. People seemed to anticipate what I was about to do and just move out of the way. No honking horns or dirty looks or anything. That may be one of the reasons why someone would want an intimidating vehicle on the streets of NY. But where can they park it? Tim neil lipes wrote: > You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the exact > name escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards > these "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have > an unbiased view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach > one conclusion after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of > these "monster" vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary > thing to have as your vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we > can't have the sound of crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) > > N > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >> cassette? >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:53 -0500 >> >> From: "neil lipes" >> >> > Yes....... sorry fellows, but the amount of testosterone on NYC >> streets is >> > overwhelming!.....and sorry but, what is with all the females that >> are 5 >> > foot tall behind the wheels of these monsters??? I guess the >> operative >> word >> > is a INTIMIDATE! Those vehicles are a menace no two ways about it. >> >> Some of the drivers of any vehicle (not just SUV's) are the menace, >> not the >> vehicles. Do most of the people who drive SUV's actually "need" them? >> Probably not, but the same argument could be made of our Nakamichi tape >> decks too - we could get by quite well with a CD recorder, but we >> enjoy our >> Naks. Same thing with vehicles and many other material things. >> >> But I ask again if this is the Naktalk list or if I've been >> transferred to >> another... >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> Land Rover Discovery and Nak CR-7A Owner >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 17:11:44 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:11:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and TDK..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Lorne, You can obtain in Nippon AXIA...(Fuji aboard...!), I get here in Israel Fuji Z-2 90 minutes for ONE AMERICAN DOLLAR EACH! It's OK for me with my Nak Dragon Machine NO noise reduction at all! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Lorne Spry >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >CC: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and TDK..... >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:51:09 +0000 > >Hi Keith > >I have some Maxell XLII tapes around here that were recorded ages ago. I >love this tape, and I wish I could still find a supply of it. Other members >may give you a direct comparison. I my case, I will only certify what I >absolutely know. XLII/XLII-S is a very durable and dependable tape with >admirable sonic qualities. I'd say that my XLII tapes stand in the next >rank behind my TDK MA-ex tapes for both toughness and sound. Nothing wrong >with the SA either if you have difficulty with the other. Compared to the >choices out there on many of the shelves today, anything from the front >ranks of the golden age of cassette recording is a good trove find. If it >is long-time NOS, one takes the chance as to whether it was stored safely. >If the price is right, I WOULD take the chance with XLII-S. Let us know how >it works out. >- Lorne in Sendai, Japan >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 17:13:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:13:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <20050105093156.12059.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala! The cabinet is originall walnut from 1974, On the top is my gifted SP-9 Mk-2 unit! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:31:56 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, I just saw your two photos, and really, I love the cabinet you >have on the 78. Was that the SP10 sitting above it? > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >Just I sent to your Yahoo address, two digit photos, that I take it >specially for you! Will show my equipment minus the turntable that is cover >with a cloth, and part of my ONE JBL speaker. > >PS..Who want to look my equipment, please Off of Topic send me your mail >address! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0800 (PST) > > > >Wow Alex, you hit the nail real exact. I was talking about that and the >77. > >I have a friend who sent me snips of a mail sent to him by the designer > >Modafferi who acknowledges the better of them both in sonic terms. Also, > >there is elsewhere a detailed study in at which stages the 78 was >designed > >to sacrifice sound quality for signal strength. And of course, 30 years >on, > >there are things that can be done to get a better sound, without > >sacrificing the DX capability of the '78. I have the 77, 78 and 80 and I > >prefer the relax sound of the 77. > > > >Bala > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >Dear Bala! > > > >Sorry but... I DON'T AGREED! Today I use also from my family a McIntosh > >MR-78 with his originally walnut cabinet in our family since > >1974...UNTOUCHED SINCE THEN...! and such newer "Digitally" tuner...sorry >to > >write is simple a "SHIT"...in sound quality!!! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Graham, and Kermit, > > > > > > I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these > > >days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My >preference > > >is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and > > >sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true >sound. > >I > > >realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with >a > > >slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a > >debate > > >of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ >the > > >same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When > >new, > > >the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a > >full > > >USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to > > >outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, >you > > >can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations > > >with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this >was > > >the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10! > > > B). The > > > cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after > >all > > >that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive > >tuner > > >to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put > >back > > >both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a >simpler > > >filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most > > >beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. > > > > > >There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( > >point > > >is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the > > >right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out > > >there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my > >Nak > > >680. > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >Nelson wrote: > > >Hi Kermit > > > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers >to > > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long > >ago > > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, >he > > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. >(Leak, > > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made >for > > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than >building > > >up > > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so > >that > > >a > > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > > >like > > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > >stereo > > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music > >from > > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > > >model?" He said, "Yes." > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 17:17:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:17:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like Message-ID: Hi Bala! MAYBE....! I don't have such money for a turntable; AND I will had some day...I will spell on other items NOT an a turntable...! I'm extremely satisfied with my 4 turntables that I collect! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:00:35 -0800 (PST) > >Well thats what I thought, until I changed my Thorens 125 for a VPI TNT IV >and 12in arm... Its a totally different sound Alex. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >$:7,000 for a Turntable..., the Yorke!!! I can live with my vintage >Technics >SL-120 yet!!! > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:23:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >I've yet to see a Simon Yorke here where I live. The local dealer hasnt > >brought in any. My VPI while good, is cumbersome at times. My 78 decks > >though is a Thorens 124, with a SME 3010 arm.. But the Yorke can do from >16 > >to 90 rpm stepless and is the choice turntable for the US Library of > >Congress, which has 12 of these! (I think I got the library name right, > >but forgive me if I'm wrong). > > > >Bala > > > >Nelson wrote: > >Richard > > > >Delicious picture! > > > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with > >your > >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a > >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable > >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I > >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's >with > >variable speeds for the "78s'". > > > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one >ever > >made? > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > > > > Walter, > > > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > > a fifth waiting > > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. >Funny > > > coincidence. > > > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > > A807s running as > > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Richard > > > -- > > > > > > Richard L. Hess > > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > > Graham in the UK > > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > > world! So > > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > > cassette well > > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > > been able to > > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > > CR7 door for one > > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > > anyone finds > > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > > spankin new > > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for >this > > > > purpose! > > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > > Walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > > When I was > > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which > >was > > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > > store, working. > > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > > scrap metal. > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > > Dragons > > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > > Walter, so > > > > that > > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > >Behalf > > > > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > > the water lying > > > > >in > > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > Istv�n > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > > serviced by > > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > > Dragon who > > > > does > > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > > been serviced > > > > by > > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > > )but who dont > > > > have > > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > > Stephen > > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > > Bear in mind > > > > >that > > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > > Please dont touch > > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > > for complete > > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > > latent in your > > > > >excellent machine! > > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > > water lying > > > > >in > > > > >waiting) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > > To: naktalk > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > > XK009! that's a > > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > > IA decks - I > > > > got > > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > > came at a price > > > > of > > > > >only �30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > > both these > > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > > studios > > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > > >serviced > > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > > was about to > > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > > technician > > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > > about! This > > > > >was > > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > > with my two > > > > >ReVox > > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > > the bank. The > > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > > problem > > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > > >XK > > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > > contact with "my > > > > man"! > > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > > are usually > > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > > >�18.00, > > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > > domestic use the > > > > only > > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > > The mains > > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > > mains hum?, and > > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > > balanced > > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > > is easy to get > > > > >around. > > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > > >tail > > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > > switched in! > > > > >and > > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > > using Dolby C > > > > . > > > > >I > > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > > stock cassettes > > > > >that > > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > > at �50.00 a > > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > > DBX "kick > > > > ass" > > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > > >and > > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > > appeal > > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > > me it is called > > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > > decks! and as > > > > >good > > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > > with a good > > > > tape > > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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Get it on your mobile phone. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 18:39:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:39:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <20050105090035.44069.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c4f34d$72d660e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Ha! Ha! Yeah, that's the problem with upgrading, isn't it!!! <> (And the other problem is buying something that you think ought to be better but finding it isn't always the case!! I'm sure we've all been there ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 05 January 2005 09:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like Well thats what I thought, until I changed my Thorens 125 for a VPI TNT IV and 12in arm... Its a totally different sound Alex. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Bala! $:7,000 for a Turntable..., the Yorke!!! I can live with my vintage Technics SL-120 yet!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:23:07 -0800 (PST) > >I've yet to see a Simon Yorke here where I live. The local dealer hasnt >brought in any. My VPI while good, is cumbersome at times. My 78 decks >though is a Thorens 124, with a SME 3010 arm.. But the Yorke can do from 16 >to 90 rpm stepless and is the choice turntable for the US Library of >Congress, which has 12 of these! (I think I got the library name right, >but forgive me if I'm wrong). > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Richard > >Delicious picture! > >Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with >your >recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a >Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable >(http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I >read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with >variable speeds for the "78s'". > >You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever >made? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Su! bject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Walter, > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > a fifth waiting > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > coincidence. > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > A807s running as > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > Richard L. Hess > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: &g! t; > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > Graham in the UK > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > world! So > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > cassette well > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > been able to > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > CR7 door for one > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > anyone finds > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > spankin new >! > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > purpose! > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > When I was > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which >was > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > store, working. > > > Unfortuntely, the ! store was selling electronics. It was buying > > scrap metal. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > Dragons > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > Walter, so > > > that > > > >one might have a Dragon be! queathed in your Will? > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > the water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > &! gt; > Happy New Year! > > > > István > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > serviced by > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > Dragon who > > > does > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > been serviced > > > by > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > )but who dont > > > have > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > Stephen > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > Bear in mind > > > >that > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > Please dont touch > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > for complete > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > latent in your > > > >excellent machine! > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > water lying > > > >in > > > >waiting) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > To: naktalk > > > > Sent: ! Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > XK009! that's a > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > IA decks - I > > > got > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > came at a price > > > of > > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > both these > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > studios > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > >serviced > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > was about to > > > >give up an! d cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > technician > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > about! This > > > >was > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > with my two > > > >ReVox > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > the bank. The > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > problem > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > >XK > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > contact with "my > > > man"! > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > In my opinion both of these Ai! wa Excelia decks are very underated > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > are usually > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > >£18.00, > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > domestic use the > > > only > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > The mains > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > mains hum?, and > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > balanced > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > is easy to get > > > >around. > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > >tail > > > >a! nd equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > switched in! > > > >and > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > using Dolby C > > > . > > > >I > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > stock cassettes > > > >that > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > at £50.00 a > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > DBX "kick > > > ass" > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > Please dont get me wrong! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 18:39:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:39:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c4f34d$7a5f16e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> And what if I am?!! <> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 05 January 2005 09:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Fred, I hope that you are not suggesting that any of the subscribers to this conference are 350lb sweaty pin headed fellows from rural Alabama! Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the meaning understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I used to put it to my composition students: You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." 2. "Gimme a Bud." Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". Those students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; considered in context it's better English than the first. So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he meant, it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was appropriate given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 18:39:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:39:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c4f34d$7c012e20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Neil That was a deft reverence for keeping on topic - I salute you!! Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 05 January 2005 09:58 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the exact name > escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these > "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have an > unbiased > view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one conclusion > after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these "monster" > vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to > have as your > vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have the sound of > crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) > > N > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 5 15:42:32 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:42:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <8CE7E3A7-5E88-11D9-8164-000D93C246E2@mac.com> References: <200501040803.j0482sHZ029923@zebra.naks.com> <8CE7E3A7-5E88-11D9-8164-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105093547.01a18bc0@psulias.psu.edu> At least you spelled the phrase correctly. How would you have graded Gerald's composition? As long as you never want to graduate from college, write a resume, or keep a job where written communication is employed, I suppose you can get away with bad grammar and spelling. Walking into a bar and ordering a beer is a little different than a two page political rant sent to hundreds of people. Gerald, this is about grammar now, not you. I apologize if it appears I'm bashing you, I really just have a thing about how poorly email communications are constructed in general. Look, I didn't indent my paragraphs! :) My CR-5 likes cat food. nakamichi At 02:40 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: >Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of >english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. >English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the >meaning understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. >Here's how I used to put it to my composition students: > >You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot a >dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, >perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You >saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty >pin-headed fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, >sunburned neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? >1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." >2. "Gimme a Bud." > >Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". Those >students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an >ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; >considered in context it's better English than the first. > >So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he meant, it >gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was appropriate >given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. > >Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. > >Fred > > > > >On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:03 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >>From: Nelson >>Date: January 3, 2005 5:09:25 PM PST >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a >>blank cassette? >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>Hmmm .... as an expert in English, I should be offended by American English, >>with its corrupt spelling and divergence from the true language. I mean, >>why do those guys always say "negative" when a simple "no" would suffice? >>And what good reason was there to change the spelling of colour to color or >>tyre to tire?? <> >> >>So, in defence of me good ol' mate Gerald... (not that he needs me to defend >>him.) Atroshius grammor and spelin didnt stop John Clare becoming one of >>the finest poets of the English language. He's way up there with Byron, >>Keats and Wordsworth, with his nature works probably being the finest of ALL >>English speaking poets. Why, if Clare had been born a few years later he'd >>have been an analogue fan and used an all-manual Nakamichi, like a ZX-7 !!! >> >>Besides, in Shakespeare's day, the more ways you could spell a word was >>reckoned to show (or shew) the extent of one's creativity. Indeed, The >>Bard himself spelt his name various different ways. So, which pompous >>(probably academic) git made themselves Emperor of the English language and >>decided on its rules? (Hmmm ... I'll bet their decendants work for Sony, >>Microsoft and the 53 States ... ) And if those rules count for anything, >>why do we tolerate American English at all especially the bastardisation of >>the English language by US exported corruptions of the language such as >>"gay" (which once meant 'disposed of joy and mirth'), "take out" (once >>meaning "to remove", now 'to kill'), "neutralize" (once meant 'to render >>neutral', not 'to kill') and the inclusion of Orwellianisms as "collateral >>damage" (which means "dead or injured civilians") and "blue on blue" (which >>means 'we just killed our own people') ??? >> >>What counts in really good writing are the words that are used and the order >>in which they are placed to convey a message, a feeling, a mood, not how >>they are spelt nor the arbitrary grammatical pointings about which, as John >>Claire observed, grammarians seldom agree anyway. >> >>And, as a student of writing (Masters Degree in Writing Studies) I'd say >>good ol' Gerald is one of the finest writers to visit NakTalk. >> >>He knows a thing or too about Nak's and hi fi, as well !! >> >>Gra' (MA) > >
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> Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions Yes, you read that right! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 5 15:44:49 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:44:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <41DAE61D.8050605@woods-and-waters.com> References: <005c01c4f1fb$2b1ca780$a6d6883e@oemcomputer> <41DAE61D.8050605@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105094338.019929a8@psulias.psu.edu> Has anyone used a Carver C-9 or similar product? Always thought the end result of this thing gave the benefits of both mono and stereo. Instruments could be very precisely located. At 01:53 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: >Hi Gra' > >Stereo isn't inherently better than mono, From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 5 15:54:05 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:54:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Grammar In-Reply-To: <004501c4f307$b6a1e380$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050104093941.01b39380@psulias.psu.edu> <004501c4f307$b6a1e380$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105094532.01984a80@psulias.psu.edu> Sure, I make errors, no doubt. But I do try to minimize them, and I never misspell one word every two I get right. Or use all lower, or totally toss anything resembling a sentence structure out the window. What if your son or daughter brought home a text book full of typos and bad grammar? Would you be cool with that book being used in the school? Would you take it seriously? Your answer is also bogus, and I'm sure you know that. At least as far as race and religion go. A person may have absolutely brilliant ideas or opinions, but if he cannot communicate them properly the brilliance will never fully shine through. This is particularly true when dealing with people remotely or on a one time basis. Good lord, I can't belive people are so opposed to at least attempting to write semi-proper emails! Maybe if the rant was pro-Bush you all would have been more critical? :) nakamichi At 04:19 AM 1/5/2005, you wrote: >"If a person can't take the time to present his ideas clearly and >correctly, why should I believe they took adequate time to form the ideas >to begin with? " > >Answer: For the same reason as you'd not judge a fellow by the colour of >his skin ... or the clothes he chooses to wear, the God he worships, or the >Nakamichi he owns ... > >PS >I noticed some grammatical errors - a missed / misplaced commas and a missed >word in your email! Should one draw any conclusions from that? <> From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jan 5 17:06:07 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:06:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: Message-ID: <002101c4f340$7a64f630$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "neil lipes" > You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the exact name > escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these > "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have an unbiased > view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one conclusion > after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these "monster" > vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to have as your > vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have the sound of > crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) Oh lord... For the most part, it's the idiot behind the steering wheel that matters, not what they're driving. I also drive a Honda Accord for commuting simply because it gets better gas mileage than my Land Rover does. There are just as many idiots driving Hondas, Toyotas, VW's, BMW's, etc. To conclude that the vehicle itself is responsible for increased hostilities, accidents, etc. is an absurd conclusion. If your assertion is that SUV's cause more damage than a compact car when in accidents, then it's pretty obvious that a 6000lb vehicle is going to cause more damage than a 3000lb vehicle all other things being equal (duh). Of course, I'd much rather be in my Land Rover than my Honda if I get into an accident. Interestingly, my Land Rover has been rear ended a couple of times (once by a compact car, the other by a Jeep Grand Cherokee) - in both cases I was either stopped at a stop sign or traffic light. Both vehicles that rear ended me got towed away and I sustained no damage beyond a bit of paint transfer in either case. There was no personal injury involved in either accident. Clearly, my "monster" SUV must have been at fault simply becuase it's an SUV, but it was pretty convenient for me to be able to drive home without any damage to my vehicle when I wasn't at fault (police showed up in both cases). On the other hand, my Honda got rear ended (I was stopped at a red light) by another compact car and while I was able to drive it, I was inconvenienced by having to take it to a body shop for repairs. I find it amazing how people jump to incredibly misinformed conclusions. Blaming a certain type of vehicle for some of the problems of society is crazy. Blame the specific PEOPLE and how they use the item (whatever it may be), not the material item. There are people out there who litterally blow up SUV's because they think they're evil. To me, that isn't much (if any) different from the idiots who hijacked airplanes and flew them into the World Trade Center towers in NY. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://landrover.geoff-reynolds.net From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 5 17:31:56 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:31:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105112748.0196d178@psulias.psu.edu> Seems most people agree the CR7 is the best recording Nak, but are somewhat finicky and early models have some issues. The ZX7/ZX9 look like a lot of fun to play with. Are they reliable? Do they record as well as the CR7? The 680 series seem to be a lot of "purists" favorite decks. The 700/1000 with ABLE seem to be nearly impossible to maintain at this point. Where does the Dragon stand in recording competency? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 18:23:17 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050105172318.90754.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Wow great! Well, My Nak and reel collection is already time consuming.. but turntables are fun to listen to. I used to dabble with them, and modified a few Thorens a few years back Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Bala! The cabinet is originall walnut from 1974, On the top is my gifted SP-9 Mk-2 unit! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:31:56 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, I just saw your two photos, and really, I love the cabinet you >have on the 78. Was that the SP10 sitting above it? > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >Just I sent to your Yahoo address, two digit photos, that I take it >specially for you! Will show my equipment minus the turntable that is cover >with a cloth, and part of my ONE JBL speaker. > >PS..Who want to look my equipment, please Off of Topic send me your mail >address! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0800 (PST) > > > >Wow Alex, you hit the nail real exact. I was talking about that and the >77. > >I have a friend who sent me snips of a mail sent to him by the designer > >Modafferi who acknowledges the better of them both in sonic terms. Also, > >there is elsewhere a detailed study in at which stages the 78 was >designed > >to sacrifice sound quality for signal strength. And of course, 30 years >on, > >there are things that can be done to get a better sound, without > >sacrificing the DX capability of the '78. I have the 77, 78 and 80 and I > >prefer the relax sound of the 77. > > > >Bala > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >Dear Bala! > > > >Sorry but... I DON'T AGREED! Today I use also from my family a McIntosh > >MR-78 with his originally walnut cabinet in our family since > >1974...UNTOUCHED SINCE THEN...! and such newer "Digitally" tuner...sorry >to > >write is simple a "SHIT"...in sound quality!!! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Kermit > > >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Graham, and Kermit, > > > > > > I am not quite suprised by the encounter. Many times, these > > >days, people get mixed with a good sound, and a true sound. My >preference > > >is for something which I can sit down, and listen for hours at end, and > > >sounds natural. Almost, as if, the singer was there. That is true >sound. > >I > > >realize that sometimes, this results in a mellow, and 'warm' sound with >a > > >slight rolled of treble.. as some describe. Recently, I went thru a > >debate > > >of two sister tuner models made by the same company. They both employ >the > > >same audio section, but the IF and filters are totally different. When > >new, > > >the cheaper one went for USD 700. The more advanced IF version cost a > >full > > >USD1700! When compared side by side, the costlier version seems to > > >outshine, with a clearer sound, better treble and so on. Its so good, >you > > >can plug out the antannae cable and this baby would still pull stations > > >with a good signal strength! (In case you guys out there wonder, this >was > > >the tuner that ousted the Marantz 10! > > > B). The > > > cheaper one had to have a good and strong signal. Yet, 30 years after > >all > > >that, today the designer is helping people upgrade the more expensive > >tuner > > >to have a similiar sonic signature to the cheaper tuner! Reason? I put > >back > > >both tuners and when I listen carefully, the cheaper one, with a >simpler > > >filter and all that was more relaxed, more natural and had the most > > >beautiful violins I ever heard on the airwaves. > > > > > >There are more examples when more money does not mean better sound ( > >point > > >is what do we define as good sound?). But then again, money put in the > > >right places, might yield what I'd call a true sound. In case guys out > > >there are interested, I am considering plans to incorporate tubes in my > >Nak > > >680. > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >Nelson wrote: > > >Hi Kermit > > > > > >As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo > > >recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or > > >instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and speakers >to > > >reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, not so long > >ago > > >I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - that is, >he > > >makes �250-�500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the > > >celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak Troughlines. >(Leak, > > >by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which was made >for > > >them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best > > >reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather than >building > > >up > > >some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want "stereo" but > > >stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound right, so > >that > > >a > > >wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a Steinberg sounds > > >like > > >a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should forget > >stereo > > >altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the music > >from > > >any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your �500 > > >model?" 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Hess) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:08:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <20050105085332.89116.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050105085332.89116.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1104952083.41dc3b13d1f75@www.richardhess.com> Bala, a CD is recorded at 44,100 samples per second with 16 bits per channel per sample. I am recording 24 bits per sample per channel at 88,200 samples per second: double the sample rate and 50% more bits. 88.2/24 is the usual shorthand for identifying this. A CD is 44.1/16 Cheers, Richard -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/ Quoting Bala Ganesh Chandra : > I guess while the W33s give a great sound, recording to pcs give a more > accurate sound. But whats 88.2/24? > > Bala > "Richard L. Hess" wrote: > Gra' > > My turntable is for my own enjoyment. I don't advertise that I transfer > vinyl--and generally refer that to other people. > > I transfer tapes as my business. > > The APR-16 is a one-inch, 16-track version of the 24-track 2-inch APR-24. > > I also have 1/2-inch 4-track, 1/2-inch 8-track, and 1-inch 8-track heads for > it. > It has many parts in common with the APR-24 and the APR-5003V. > > They made the prototype to compete with 1-inch 16 track machines from Otari, > etc., just as ADATs were coming out. Hence, no one was interested. I'm not > sure > how it avoided the crusher, but I now have it. > > Most stuff today is recorded to the PC not the CDR-W33s and I'm doing a lot > of > stuff at 88.2/24. > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > Quoting Nelson : > > > Richard > > > > Delicious picture! > > > > Most interesting that your choice of record deck is, by comparison with > your > > recording equipment, a little modest? I was expecting something like a > > Technics SP-10, Simon Yorke S7 professional archive turntable > > (http://www.recordplayer.com/archive.htm), or an EMT, perhaps. Although I > > read somewhere on the Web that there are some "hot" modified SL-1200's with > > variable speeds for the "78s'". > > > > You have me intrigued ... What is the Sony APR-16 and why was only one ever > > made? > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:06 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > > > > Walter, > > > > > > Glad to meet someone else with 5 Dragons -- I have four here and > > > a fifth waiting > > > for me in Los Angeles. I, too, have an NOS spare Dragon mechanism. Funny > > > coincidence. > > > > > > I don't have any CR7s, but I have an MR-1 for varispeed and recording. > > > > > > I also keep a bunch of Sony APR-5003V, Studer A810, and Studer > > > A807s running as > > > well as the only Sony APR-16 ever made. > > > > > > For old photos see http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm > > > > > > New photos coming...sometime. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Richard > > > -- > > > > > > Richard L. Hess > > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > > > > > Quoting wdrewes at iafrica.com: > > > > > > > To execute a testamentary bequest from the tip of Africa for > > > Graham in the UK > > > > is nearly as difficult as maintaining a 1000ZXL anywhere in the > > > world! So > > > > Alex I think Graham must expect a pass on that one! > > > > Of the 4 CR7's I bought in the last 2 years or so THREE had no > > > cassette well > > > > doors! What people do with the CR7 doors worldwide I have not > > > been able to > > > > figure out.I only have three left and am still looking for a > > > CR7 door for one > > > > of them.(CR 5 also fits,but the other CR series do not) So if > > > anyone finds > > > > one ,they will know were to post them to at a profit! > > > > I dont think I will not acquire more Dragons as these are enough to > > > > handle!I wont need more as spares,as I have a complete ,brand > > > spankin new > > > > factory cassette drive with all its whistles from the factory for this > > > > purpose! > > > > Let nobody feel sad that he has no more of them > > > themselves.Imagine having to > > > > handle 5 wives--although 5 Dragons may be more complient and easier! > > > > Walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:26 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > This five dragon stack has created some craze here hasnt it? > > > When I was > > > > much much younger, and the only reel deck was my dad's X1000R (which > was > > > > rotting away in pieces), he saw about 15 of these decks in a > > > store, working. > > > > Unfortuntely, the store was selling electronics. It was buying > > > scrap metal. > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > Walter!!!! Don't wait till you pass away..SENT one of your collected > > > > Dragons > > > > to Graham...so HE will live eternity!!!! > > > > > > > > Good Luck Graham!!!!!! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:01 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Indeed! How does one ingratiate oneself into your favour, > > > Walter, so > > > > that > > > > >one might have a Dragon bequeathed in your Will? > > > > > > > > > >Grinham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > >Behalf > > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > > Sent: 03 January 2005 16:51 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Walter! > > > > > "Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce > > > the water lying > > > > >in > > > > >waiting)" > > > > > > > > > > Are you waiting for your sixth Dragon? Unbelievable... :-))) > > > > > How many CR7s do you have? > > > > > > > > > > I am really envy of you... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > István > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: wme drewes > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:07 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering when last your Dragon was professionally > > > serviced by > > > > >people that have the correct calibration and adjustment > > > > >instruments(including tapes)? Do not let anyone loose on a > > > Dragon who > > > > does > > > > >not have these items.I have 5 Dragons and those that have > > > been serviced > > > > by > > > > >competent people(known for their competen! ce in the trade > > > )but who dont > > > > have > > > > >the full complement of equipment dont sound as well as those that > > > > Stephen > > > > >Sank has serviced! ( The same holds for my CR 7's as well) > > > Bear in mind > > > > >that > > > > >those not serviced by Mr Sank still sound superlative! > > > Please dont touch > > > > >those "white little wheels"if you dont have the equipment > > > for complete > > > > >adjustments,you might get an improvement on performance,but in all > > > > >propability a vast amount of further improvement will lie > > > latent in your > > > > >excellent machine! > > > > > Walter ( the African crocodile whose eyes just pierce the > > > water lying > > > > >in > > > > >waiting) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Colin Marsh > > > > > To: naktalk > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:43 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 and XK009 decks to fix: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about service for the Aiwa F990, but the > > > XK009! that's a > > > > >different matter. I own both the Aiwa XK007 and 009 EXCEL! > > > IA decks - I > > > > got > > > > >them from a local auction out of curiosity! As the pair > > > came at a price > > > > of > > > > >only £30.00 UK it was no hardship, I later discovered that > > > both these > > > > >models seem to be professional models and most found there way into > > > > studios > > > > >as mastering decks. I tried thru Aiwa and Sony to get the machines > > > > >serviced > > > > >with no luck, I tried my local repairers - with no luck. I > > > was about to > > > > >give up and cut my losses but then a friend suggested a studio > > > > technician > > > > >may be my answer, I live in London UK, so there are plenty > > > about! This > > > > >was > > > > >the answer! and both machines were duly serviced (together > > > with my two > > > > >ReVox > > > > >R to R decks!). Service was good, fast and didn't break > > > the bank. The > > > > >technician said" the Excelias are easy to work on, parts are not a > > > > problem > > > > >and Excelias tend to be robust and reliable?" > > > > > Depending on your location, this may be the way to go for the Aiwa > > > > >XK > > > > >! 009 Excelia.if you are in the UK I can get you in > > > contact with "my > > > > man"! > > > > >All I can say is that it will be worth it! > > > > > In my opinion both of these Aiwa Excelia decks are very underated > > > > >machines! They don't appear for sale often in the UK, and > > > are usually > > > > >studio sales. I recently saw and purchased a second 007 on ebay for > > > > >£18.00, > > > > >superbly well maintained in great order as well! For > > > domestic use the > > > > only > > > > >problems I can see are the deepness (they are very deep!). > > > The mains > > > > >transformers are bolted on the rear panel to isolate any > > > mains hum?, and > > > > >having to earth the chassis can be awkward. Many are converted to > > > > balanced > > > > >outputs/inputs (one of my 007s and the 009 are) but this > > > is easy to get > > > > >around. > > > > > In my opinion, again, both the 007 and 009 tread on my "Dragons" > > > > >tail > > > > >and equal the ZX7 when recording and playing back with DBX > > > switched in! > > > > >and > > > > >the 009 can "chase the Dragon! " and jump ahead of the ZX7 > > > using Dolby C > > > > . > > > > >I > > > > >had both the 007 and 009 calibrated for TDK SA European > > > stock cassettes > > > > >that > > > > >are easy to get here in the UK ( I buy them by the hundred > > > at £50.00 a > > > > >shot!). I find that with DBX and these tapes the Excelia's are near > > > > >perfect recording and playing good analogue, and thanks to > > > DBX "kick > > > > ass" > > > > >with digital, Alas my Naks cant do that being restricted > > > to Dolby B/C! > > > > > Please dont get me wrong! My Naks are some of my favourite babies > > > > >and > > > > >always will be, but I think it is fair to say that part of the Naks > > > > appeal > > > > >is due to that "little bit" that is added (Somebody told > > > me it is called > > > > >"that Nak sound"). and after all they are only cassette > > > decks! and as > > > > >good > > > > >as they are, some of my "other babies", ReVox R to Rs, fed > > > with a good > > > > tape > > > > >and analogue source eat the Naks for breakfast! > > > > > I do hope you have some success with finding a repairer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Main! tain your account here: > > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 20:39:56 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:39:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105112748.0196d178@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050105193956.51510.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Having worked on used Nak decks including 582/581/670ZX/ZX 9 ZX 7/ 700ZXE / Dragon and CR 4/CR3 CR5 and CR7- my opinion is that ZX 7/9 are Excellent machines (as good as Dragon / CR 7 in record /replay performance). Infact they are easier tomaintain than Dragon or CR 7 ( 680 /682 are more complicated than ZX 9). Well aligned ZX 7 record / replay performance can compete nicely with CR 7 / Dragon performance Playback on all these machines sound little different from one another ( very small shades of difference ) but Record replay performance of newer or littleused machines are always better than used up machines- So a CR 7 can sound worse than 670ZX. So I would expect a dissatisfied Dragon or CR 7 user if the machine is not correctly aligned or long term use with degraded componenets. Replacing some very important components and aligning such a deck makes a lot of difference. Any 3 Head Nak with Azimuth adjustment and Bias Levelcalibrating type are of same class- only its condition will make the difference. Surprisingly Robert kent' 670 ZX is the best play back machine that I have heard so far! next to Brand new Dragon. While CR 7 is the best recording machine - mostly due to transparent Record input amp. Anyday I would recommend CR 7 for record and Dragon for playback provided these machines are in top condition. Next best machines are ZX 7 /9 kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: Seems most people agree the CR7 is the best recording Nak, but are somewhat finicky and early models have some issues. The ZX7/ZX9 look like a lot of fun to play with. Are they reliable? Do they record as well as the CR7? 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 20:45:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:45:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <002101c4f340$7a64f630$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and without which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism is of people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't need such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip to the shopping mall. The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a simple saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit by vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs on the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. Thus, it ought to be compulsory to fit all SUVs and their like with Nakamichi cassette machines with an inbuilt tape recording of Rubenstein playing Chopin's "The Funeral March" !!! (Phew! Still on topic!!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds > Sent: 05 January 2005 16:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > From: "neil lipes" > > > You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the > exact name > > escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these > > "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have > an unbiased > > view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one conclusion > > after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these "monster" > > vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to have as > your > > vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have the sound of > > crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) > > Oh lord... For the most part, it's the idiot behind the steering > wheel that > matters, not what they're driving. I also drive a Honda Accord for > commuting simply because it gets better gas mileage than my Land > Rover does. > There are just as many idiots driving Hondas, Toyotas, VW's, > BMW's, etc. To > conclude that the vehicle itself is responsible for increased hostilities, > accidents, etc. is an absurd conclusion. If your assertion is that SUV's > cause more damage than a compact car when in accidents, then it's pretty > obvious that a 6000lb vehicle is going to cause more damage than a 3000lb > vehicle all other things being equal (duh). Of course, I'd much rather be > in my Land Rover than my Honda if I get into an accident. > > Interestingly, my Land Rover has been rear ended a couple of > times (once by > a compact car, the other by a Jeep Grand Cherokee) - in both cases I was > either stopped at a stop sign or traffic light. Both vehicles that rear > ended me got towed away and I sustained no damage beyond a bit of paint > transfer in either case. There was no personal injury involved in either > accident. Clearly, my "monster" SUV must have been at fault > simply becuase > it's an SUV, but it was pretty convenient for me to be able to drive home > without any damage to my vehicle when I wasn't at fault (police > showed up in > both cases). On the other hand, my Honda got rear ended (I was > stopped at a > red light) by another compact car and while I was able to drive it, I was > inconvenienced by having to take it to a body shop for repairs. > > I find it amazing how people jump to incredibly misinformed conclusions. > Blaming a certain type of vehicle for some of the problems of society is > crazy. Blame the specific PEOPLE and how they use the item > (whatever it may > be), not the material item. > > There are people out there who litterally blow up SUV's because they think > they're evil. To me, that isn't much (if any) different from the > idiots who > hijacked airplanes and flew them into the World Trade Center towers in NY. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://landrover.geoff-reynolds.net > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 20:45:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:45:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105112748.0196d178@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <003001c4f35f$2d196c20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> I've had both a ZX-9 and a factory spec CR-7A at the same time. My ZX-9 is modified. I preferred the ZX-9 for recording and playback. I feel the sound I get from mine is much closer to the original recording that I got from the CR-7. But that's just me. I would think the ZX-7 or 9 would have the edge on the CR-7 for reliability as the former is totally manual. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 05 January 2005 16:32 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck > > > > > Seems most people agree the CR7 is the best recording Nak, but > are somewhat > finicky and early models have some issues. > The ZX7/ZX9 look like a lot of fun to play with. Are they reliable? Do > they record as well as the CR7? > The 680 series seem to be a lot of "purists" favorite decks. > The 700/1000 with ABLE seem to be nearly impossible to maintain > at this point. > Where does the Dragon stand in recording competency? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 20:45:59 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:45:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <1104952083.41dc3b13d1f75@www.richardhess.com> Message-ID: <003101c4f35f$2e25fa20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Yum yum! I'd love to hear that through a nice amp and speakers ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 05 January 2005 19:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > Bala, a CD is recorded at 44,100 samples per second with 16 bits > per channel per > sample. I am recording 24 bits per sample per channel at 88,200 > samples per > second: double the sample rate and 50% more bits. 88.2/24 is the usual > shorthand for identifying this. A CD is 44.1/16 > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 5 20:51:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:51:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Grammar In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105094532.01984a80@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <003701c4f360$004a5d20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Methinks thou protest too much! LOL! What I meant was that it may be imprudent to assume someone has not take time to form a view point simply because YOU may think they have communicated the idea badly. One of the saddest things I think I've witnessed in email exchanges is when people communicate and completely misunderstand each other in terms of their position, strength of feeling and even their point of view. I've seen warfare break out between folk who actually shared the same views but couldn't see it. Why? Because they were not used to each other's style of writing and use of language. Be cool, Derrick - I'm only playing with you! <> Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 05 January 2005 14:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Grammar > > > Sure, I make errors, no doubt. But I do try to minimize them, > and I never > misspell one word every two I get right. Or use all lower, or > totally toss > anything resembling a sentence structure out the window. What if > your son > or daughter brought home a text book full of typos and bad > grammar? Would > you be cool with that book being used in the school? Would you take it > seriously? > > Your answer is also bogus, and I'm sure you know that. At least > as far as > race and religion go. A person may have absolutely brilliant ideas or > opinions, but if he cannot communicate them properly the brilliance will > never fully shine through. This is particularly true when dealing with > people remotely or on a one time basis. > > Good lord, I can't belive people are so opposed to at least attempting to > write semi-proper emails! > Maybe if the rant was pro-Bush you all would have been more critical? :) > > nakamichi > > At 04:19 AM 1/5/2005, you wrote: > >"If a person can't take the time to present his ideas clearly and > >correctly, why should I believe they took adequate time to form the ideas > >to begin with? " > > > >Answer: For the same reason as you'd not judge a fellow by the colour of > >his skin ... or the clothes he chooses to wear, the God he > worships, or the > >Nakamichi he owns ... > > > >PS > >I noticed some grammatical errors - a missed / misplaced commas > and a missed > >word in your email! Should one draw any conclusions from that? <> > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 5 20:08:35 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:08:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC3B33.5010209@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Alex, Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Graham! > > You said, "I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the > Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment" Yeah, I heard they'd been doing > that to some of the captured Taliban and blaming it on the FBI! As a reformed Nagra III owner, I really despise the sound of these decks. > I Think...that is to expensive for the most of us!!! Uher's are > much...much cheaper; and do the same for mostly of us!! For a different reason: Uher seems to have thought about how to make their decks the least convenient, most hassle-prone, biggest frustration to work. Useless meters, nonstandard connector wiring, truly wretched monitoring, and worst of all -- you have to partially disassemble the deck by removing two itty-bitty ultra-fine thread screws BEFORE you can CLEAN the heads! AUGH! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 5 20:11:12 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:11:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Kermit In-Reply-To: <004f01c4f30c$477abe00$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> References: <004f01c4f30c$477abe00$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41DC3BD0.3090200@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Gra' The FM Multiplex (Stereo) decode circuit is a basically an M/S circuit: CENTER is th emono signal, S (difference) is the left/right info. The S signal often has more noise and higher distortion than the M signal. This is a major reason why Mono FM often sounds better than Stereo FM. Nelson wrote: > That's most interesting, Kermit. I take your point about recording in > stereo and taking that signal through the line back to reproduction. I > suppose (at least it seems in my greenhorn way!) that the matter is a little > different with FM radio, where additional circuit is required to demodulate > the signal and reproduce the stereo. Thence, perhaps something of the tonal > quality captured and transmitted will inevitably be lost at that stage. I > have certainly noticed that my tuners offer better mid range (e.g. voices) > when the stereo circuit is switched out for mono output. So, when I am > recording off air (usually onto my Nak ZX-9) sometimes I use the mono > signal - e.g. for orchestral pieces or piano solo, where (it seems to me) > the stereo image adds little to my enjoyment, or at least not as much as > hearing the difference between a violin and a viola when the orchestra is in > full flow (which seem more apparent with the mono output.) > > You said, "I would never force anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the > Geneva Convention as inhumane treatment" Yeah, I heard they'd been doing > that to some of the captured Taliban and blaming it on the FBI! > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: 04 January 2005 18:53 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Kermit >> >> >>Hi Gra' >> >>Stereo isn't inherently better than mono, though I admit I like the >>added dimension it brings, if done correctly. The underlying issue is >>that, in truth, most stereo mixes aren’t as well made as most mono mixes >>were, especially in the early days of stereo. With a mono mix, you must >>get the microphone placement and the balances correct or the recording >>won’t sound too good. With a stereo mix, you can make quite a few errors >>yet have an acceptable recording. At one time, record labels made TWO >>mixes of each recording: a mono mix and a stereo mix. The mono mix was >>considered the important one because it was broadcast, which was where >>the money was, and hence was done quite well. The stereo mix was >>regarded as a consumer gimmick, and often as an afterthought. It's no >>wonder they were so mediocre. This led to a backlash among the recording >>buying public and a misunderstanding among HiFi buffs that, somehow, >>mono is/was better than stereo as far as preserving tone and musical >>balance. See? What's really happening is well-done mono versus >>poorly-done stereo. Poor technique always sounds worse then good >>technique, yes? Yes! >> >>I’ve found that IF you can find a flawlessly done stereo recording then >>you’ll have just as good a sense of tone as a good mono one, arguably >>better because the spatial effect makes the sound more natural and >>realistic, enhancing the brain's perception of "tone". >> >>When I teach recording I force my students to mix in mono at first until >>they’ve perfected their technique. (Oh how they grumble!) Only then are >>they allowed to “graduate” to stereo. Makes all the difference -- a good >>mono mix is much harder to achieve than you would expect. >> >>My teaching tools: Nakamichi 550, Bogen CDM mixer (mono only, no EQ on >>channels and bass/treble on output), three Shure SM59, two ElectroVoice >>635A, two ElectroVoice DS-35 and one Sennheiser MD421U microphones. This >>rig can make some truly excellent recordings! If I have a big class, >>then one or two students are stuck with my Uher 4400 Report or 1000 >>Report Pilot and either Uher's mediocre M517 mic or a Shure 545. These >>rigs can still make quite good recordings, but being limited to only one >>mic and one track makes some projects challenging. (I would never force >>anyone to use a Nagra. That's against the Geneva Convention as inhumane >>treatment.) >> >>Reprocessed stereo recordings are horrible; they use reverb and wierd EQ >>tricks to get a stereo-like effect. Even blended back into mono they >>still sound awful, with rare exceptions. >> >> >>Nelson wrote: >> >>>Hi Kermit >>> >>>As an engineer and specialist in recording, do you feel that stereo >>>recording is the best way to capture the purest sound of the voices or >>>instruments, and (of course) the use of stereo amplifiers and >> >>speakers to >> >>>reproduce it? This may seem like a daft question. However, >> >>not so long ago >> >>>I was in conversation with a maker of some very hi end kit - >> >>that is, he >> >>>makes £250-£500 stereo decoders for vintage mono tuners, including the >>>celebrated (in the UK and Australia, at atleast) Leak >> >>Troughlines. (Leak, >> >>>by the way, had a Leak branded ski slope cassette deck which >> >>was made for >> >>>them by Nakamichi.) I said to him my priority was in getting the best >>>reproduction of the tonal quality of the instruments rather >> >>than building up >> >>>some artificial "sound stage". It's not that I didn't want >> >>"stereo" but >> >>>stereo sound is less important to me that getting the sound >> >>right, so that a >> >>>wood instruments sounds like a wood instrument, that a >> >>Steinberg sounds like >> >>>a Steinberg and not a Yamaha. His response was that I should >> >>forget stereo >> >>>altogether, that I would never get as good tonal quality to the >> >>music from >> >>>any tuner that uses a multiplex decoder. I was, "What, even your £500 >>>model?" He said, "Yes." >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jan 5 21:11:26 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:11:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <000501c4f34d$7a5f16e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: They may just come round and crush your Nakamichi one dark night <> Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 05 January 2005 17:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk And what if I am?!! <> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 05 January 2005 09:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Fred, I hope that you are not suggesting that any of the subscribers to this conference are 350lb sweaty pin headed fellows from rural Alabama! Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the meaning understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I used to put it to my composition students: You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." 2. "Gimme a Bud." Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". Those students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; considered in context it's better English than the first. So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he meant, it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was appropriate given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 5 21:30:35 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:30:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> References: <002101c4f340$7a64f630$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105152354.01bb3f28@psulias.psu.edu> I have two AWD Subarus, a Forester and a WRX. I will never buy another every day car that is not AWD. In wet or snowy weather there is simply no comparison between these and a FWD car. The Forester is more like a Station Wagon in size and insurance. :) Handles very well. As for the WRX, let's just say you haven't experienced life until you've dropped the clutch of a turbo/AWD car at 6000 or so rpm! I can also take it anywhere a Jeep can go as long as high ground clearance isn't required. I don't know how people can fight with a Expiditon or Pick up truck everyday. Those things are like driving tanks. I think the biggest problem on the road today are cell phones. There is absolutely no reason for a person to be talking on the phone while driving. None. Yet I see probably 1 of 5 people driving on the phone. I see people on the phone as they are backing out of their driveway! What the hell? At 02:45 PM 1/5/2005, you wrote: >Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel >drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of >gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and without >which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism is of >people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't need >such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip to >the shopping mall. The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive >monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the >pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a simple >saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit by >vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs on >the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. > >Thus, it ought to be compulsory to fit all SUVs and their like with >Nakamichi cassette machines with an inbuilt tape recording of Rubenstein >playing Chopin's "The Funeral March" !!! (Phew! Still on topic!!) > >Gra' > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 5 21:41:43 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:41:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Grammar In-Reply-To: <003701c4f360$004a5d20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105094532.01984a80@psulias.psu.edu> <003701c4f360$004a5d20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105153124.01c07f30@psulias.psu.edu> You're making my point for me! We are supposed to have standardized spelling and grammar in this country so there are fewer misunderstandings. The written word is the foundation of civilization, and is the single most defining aspect of humanity vs the animal kingdom. Humans can pass forward accumulated knowledge due to language, and more effectively through written language. I don't protest too much either. I used to be a horrible speller despite being a very good writer. When I was in college, pre-spell check days, I would usually lose an entire letter grade due to spelling errors despite writing very good papers. I was a history and political science major so most of my grades were based on term papers or written exams. I learned the hard way. I can also tell you, from both sides of the management desk, that a well written cover letter is the best way to get a job interview. If you have a misspelling or use poor grammar in a cover letter, you can kiss that job opportunity good-bye. God, I can't belive I getting my panties in a bunch over grammar. Old Mrs. McFerin would be so happy! At 02:51 PM 1/5/2005, you wrote: >Methinks thou protest too much! LOL! What I meant was that it may be >imprudent to assume someone has not take time to form a view point simply >because YOU may think they have communicated the idea badly. One of the >saddest things I think I've witnessed in email exchanges is when people >communicate and completely misunderstand each other in terms of their >position, strength of feeling and even their point of view. I've seen >warfare break out between folk who actually shared the same views but >couldn't see it. Why? Because they were not used to each other's style of >writing and use of language. > >Be cool, Derrick - I'm only playing with you! <> > >Gra' From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 6 00:13:53 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:13:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Grammar References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050104093941.01b39380@psulias.psu.edu><004501c4f307$b6a1e380$fdd94c51@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050105094532.01984a80@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <000901c4f37c$3a240570$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Derrick Beckner" > Maybe if the rant was pro-Bush you all would have been more critical? :) Given the feelings against SUV's I'd be surprised to see a pro-Bush rant here :). Of course, this is supposed to be the NakTalk list, so I would hope that SUV's and politics (or am I being redundant) would be irrelevant here... -- Geoffrey Reynolds From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 6 00:15:35 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:15:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk References: <200501040803.j0482sHZ029923@zebra.naks.com><8CE7E3A7-5E88-11D9-8164-000D93C246E2@mac.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050105093547.01a18bc0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <001f01c4f37c$76386c40$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Derrick Beckner" > Gerald, this is about grammar now, not you. I apologize if it appears I'm > bashing you, I really just have a thing about how poorly email > communications are constructed in general. It certainly doesn't bother me when the English clearly isn't the primary language for the person who is posting, but someone with a graduate degree in English ought to be able to post something reasonably coherent :). -- Geoffrey Reynolds From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 6 00:21:16 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:21:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: <002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003a01c4f37d$41c2bf00$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Nelson" > Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel > drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of > gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and without > which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism is of > people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't need > such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip to > the shopping mall. And thus the SUV isn't the monster - the owner is :). > The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive > monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the > pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a simple > saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit by > vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs on > the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. I've heard this argument before, but I've seen enough arguments on both sides on this issue, that I'm not really convinced one way or another. Once you get past a certain speed, I suspect that the presence of a bullbar is moot. I use my SUV primarily for hauling stuff that won't fit in my Honda and for real recreational offroad use. I use my Honda to commute to work, etc. Hopefully that is acceptable with the majority of the list members ;). Otherwise feel free to call me a monster, take my CR-3A and CR-7A away from me, and banish me from this list... Can we get back to the topic of this list??? -- Geoffrey Reynolds From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:54:51 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:54:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I repeat....read the book..."The High And The Mighty".......You will never feel the same way about these vehicles! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:45:55 -0000 > >Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel >drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of >gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and without >which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism is >of >people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't >need >such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip to >the shopping mall. The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive >monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the >pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a simple >saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit by >vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs on >the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. > >Thus, it ought to be compulsory to fit all SUVs and their like with >Nakamichi cassette machines with an inbuilt tape recording of Rubenstein >playing Chopin's "The Funeral March" !!! (Phew! Still on topic!!) > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds > > Sent: 05 January 2005 16:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > cassette? > > > > > > From: "neil lipes" > > > > > You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the > > exact name > > > escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these > > > "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have > > an unbiased > > > view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one >conclusion > > > after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these >"monster" > > > vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to have >as > > your > > > vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have the sound >of > > > crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) > > > > Oh lord... For the most part, it's the idiot behind the steering > > wheel that > > matters, not what they're driving. I also drive a Honda Accord for > > commuting simply because it gets better gas mileage than my Land > > Rover does. > > There are just as many idiots driving Hondas, Toyotas, VW's, > > BMW's, etc. To > > conclude that the vehicle itself is responsible for increased >hostilities, > > accidents, etc. is an absurd conclusion. If your assertion is that >SUV's > > cause more damage than a compact car when in accidents, then it's pretty > > obvious that a 6000lb vehicle is going to cause more damage than a >3000lb > > vehicle all other things being equal (duh). Of course, I'd much rather >be > > in my Land Rover than my Honda if I get into an accident. > > > > Interestingly, my Land Rover has been rear ended a couple of > > times (once by > > a compact car, the other by a Jeep Grand Cherokee) - in both cases I was > > either stopped at a stop sign or traffic light. Both vehicles that rear > > ended me got towed away and I sustained no damage beyond a bit of paint > > transfer in either case. There was no personal injury involved in >either > > accident. Clearly, my "monster" SUV must have been at fault > > simply becuase > > it's an SUV, but it was pretty convenient for me to be able to drive >home > > without any damage to my vehicle when I wasn't at fault (police > > showed up in > > both cases). On the other hand, my Honda got rear ended (I was > > stopped at a > > red light) by another compact car and while I was able to drive it, I >was > > inconvenienced by having to take it to a body shop for repairs. > > > > I find it amazing how people jump to incredibly misinformed conclusions. > > Blaming a certain type of vehicle for some of the problems of society is > > crazy. Blame the specific PEOPLE and how they use the item > > (whatever it may > > be), not the material item. > > > > There are people out there who litterally blow up SUV's because they >think > > they're evil. To me, that isn't much (if any) different from the > > idiots who > > hijacked airplanes and flew them into the World Trade Center towers in >NY. > > -- > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > http://landrover.geoff-reynolds.net > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bwana747 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 01:07:41 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:07:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <000501c4f34d$7a5f16e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Greetings from the Rocket City: Huntsville, Alabama. Home of Marshall Space Flight Center, Missile Command, Redstone Arsenal and probably more cutting edge technology firms and engineers per square mile than Silicon Valley (certainly the case for aerospace, rocket, space station and defense systems). Keep your eyes open for Zenu: a new local technology which will enable PDA/Blackberry based unmanned defense and reconnaisance / logistics systems. Don't forget the locally designed and built "Star Wars" anti-missile systems standing ready in case Pyongyang lobs any ICBMs "westward." It's a sweaty job here but it keeps us free. I'll keep y'all (sic) posted on my soon to be released Nakamichi Wi-Fi remote control interface with quantum encryption in case anyone steals the remote! Regards, Bob >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:39:16 -0000 > >And what if I am?!! <> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Doug Locke > Sent: 05 January 2005 09:21 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk > > > Fred, I hope that you are not suggesting that any of the subscribers to >this conference are 350lb sweaty pin headed fellows from rural Alabama! > > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk > > > Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of >english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. >English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the >meaning >understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I >used to put it to my composition students: > > You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot >a >dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, >perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You >saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty >pin-headed >fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. >Which of these phrases is the correct one? > 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." > 2. "Gimme a Bud." > > Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". >Those >students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an >ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; >considered in context it's better English than the first. > > So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he >meant, >it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was >appropriate >given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. > > Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. > > Fred > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From man626 at webtv.net Thu Jan 6 01:40:00 2005 From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:40:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on Naktalk Message-ID: <9691-41DC88E0-2326@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net> Okay,just for the record;the infamous post on family feuds and corruption of morality within the american family unit,and to a larger extent,within American society as a hole(Yes,HOLE!!!), was precipitated by a post from Colin ,who seemingly couldn't understand why a Naktalk "family" could argue,quarrle,or otherwise "fight".This "treatise" was supported by an example of his own family, which, as he stated, was not disfunctional. His "argument"was augmented with a brief condemnation of the Bush/Blair alliance,and just why-I cannot recall( was that garammatically correct?). My original post wasn't written to the Naktalk line in general,but to Colin and those interested in the thread.It included a discalimer asking those not interested to disregard the post. Be that as it may,let me sincerely and most ferverently hope that your'e famiy,like Colins'(of whom i heard no reply) enjoys the most balaced and functional of family realtionships.The primary intent of my initial post was to expand on Colins' post. That having been said,i(yes "i"-{E.E Cummings}) just heard a public service announcement today on our local AM radio which announced that most (A)american families suffer some type of mental disease(depression being foremost( i would hazard a guess)and then stress disorders and so on and so forth). (paragraph{forgive my e-literracy})..In conclusion,let me say that i apologized offline to a valued and esteemed member of the Naktak.I do NOT want this person on my bad side.I was self propelled(what?.. okay.. so I just bought a brand new John Deer lawn mower, and it makes the Sweeeeetest sound,almost as nice as my Nakamichi) to ask this person to upgrade my rambling, stream of consciousness, unedited ( "naked") original post from a "Rant" to a "Tirade". I hope that that is not asking too much.This I absolutely HAD to do in deference those great Naltalkers who supported my post. This will be the last post i make concerning this.thanks.{Post script-youre okay Land Rover owner-its only the FULLSIZED S.U.V's that need demolition.Funny to see a 5'2 woman behind the wheel when they get out of their Hummers-i always chuckle to myself.."there goes the Wizard of Oz.The perfect vehicle?..Mercury Crown Victoria-unpretentious,moderate gas guzzler..nice......This post brought to you by Miller Light From stan.targowski at comcast.net Thu Jan 6 02:59:39 2005 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Tape Closes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Looks like the audio tape format is indeed becoming defunct ... http://slashdot.org/articles/05/01/06/004226.shtml?tid=141&tid=188&tid=1 What are the cassettes that are still in production now around the world? - TDK D - Maxell UR, XLII - Fuji Z-II any others? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Would be correct to say that from cannabalising a single CR1A, I get a durable Sankyo motor for the Cassette Deck 1 plus an equally durable idler gear upgrade for my BX300 in one fell swoop? Ben Ng _________________________________________________________________ Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 07:03:28 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:03:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <003101c4f35f$2e25fa20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050106060328.93120.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> So would I! But wouldnt 24/96 be more higher resolution then? Bala Nelson wrote: Yum yum! I'd love to hear that through a nice amp and speakers ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 05 January 2005 19:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > Bala, a CD is recorded at 44,100 samples per second with 16 bits > per channel per > sample. I am recording 24 bits per sample per channel at 88,200 > samples per > second: double the sample rate and 50% more bits. 88.2/24 is the usual > shorthand for identifying this. A CD is 44.1/16 > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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ALEX! >From: "Stan Targowski" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio >TapeCloses >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:39 -0600 > >Looks like the audio tape format is indeed becoming defunct ... >http://slashdot.org/articles/05/01/06/004226.shtml?tid=141&tid=188&tid=1 > >What are the cassettes that are still in production now around the world? > >- TDK D >- Maxell UR, XLII >- Fuji Z-II > >any others? > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 09:51:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:51:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Grammar Message-ID: Bravo Geoffrey! It's enough of "GRAMMAR" etc....! Let chat on Nakamichi problems or else in relation with Naks products...PLEASE!!!! Thanks to all of you for your comprehend!!!!!! ALEX! >From: greynolds at newsguy.com >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Grammar >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:13:53 -0500 > >From: "Derrick Beckner" > > > Maybe if the rant was pro-Bush you all would have been more critical? :) > >Given the feelings against SUV's I'd be surprised to see a pro-Bush rant >here :). > >Of course, this is supposed to be the NakTalk list, so I would hope that >SUV's and politics (or am I being redundant) would be irrelevant here... >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 6 09:53:07 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:53:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Ta pe Closes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7E4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's a bit sad, I guess you are right Stan about the tape format becoming defunct. This is Tom "snif", signing off. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 1:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Tape Closes Looks like the audio tape format is indeed becoming defunct ... http://slashdot.org/articles/05/01/06/004226.shtml?tid=141 &tid=188&tid=1 What are the cassettes that are still in production now around the world? - TDK D - Maxell UR, XLII - Fuji Z-II any others? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jan 6 10:24:42 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:24:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: <002101c4f340$7a64f630$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com><002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050105152354.01bb3f28@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <000d01c4f3d1$8ea97080$0e92fea9@wdrewes> I take it those are Nakamichi cell phones? (just kidding!) In this country(South Africa) by law no cell phones may be activated in a moving car!This applies whether it is built-in ,ear piece type or connected through the Nak radio! Nakamichi Nakamichi NAKAMICHI !!! We also dont have NAKAMICHI cars here so I cant join in the discussion--I know absolutely nothing about them! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? > I have two AWD Subarus, a Forester and a WRX. I will never buy another > every day car that is not AWD. In wet or snowy weather there is simply no > comparison between these and a FWD car. The Forester is more like a > Station Wagon in size and insurance. :) Handles very well. As for the > WRX, let's just say you haven't experienced life until you've dropped the > clutch of a turbo/AWD car at 6000 or so rpm! I can also take it anywhere a > Jeep can go as long as high ground clearance isn't required. I don't know > how people can fight with a Expiditon or Pick up truck everyday. Those > things are like driving tanks. > > I think the biggest problem on the road today are cell phones. There is > absolutely no reason for a person to be talking on the phone while > driving. None. Yet I see probably 1 of 5 people driving on the phone. I > see people on the phone as they are backing out of their driveway! What > the hell? > > > > At 02:45 PM 1/5/2005, you wrote: > >Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel > >drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of > >gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and without > >which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism is of > >people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't need > >such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip to > >the shopping mall. The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive > >monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the > >pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a simple > >saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit by > >vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs on > >the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. > > > >Thus, it ought to be compulsory to fit all SUVs and their like with > >Nakamichi cassette machines with an inbuilt tape recording of Rubenstein > >playing Chopin's "The Funeral March" !!! (Phew! Still on topic!!) > > > >Gra' > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jan 6 10:33:16 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:33:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: Message-ID: <005201c4f3d2$c0b3b120$0e92fea9@wdrewes> On which (or is it what) page of the book do they discuss the ZX7 again? I am sure I can get the book in the local bookstore. Walter (kidding!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette? > I repeat....read the book..."The High And The Mighty".......You will never > feel the same way about these vehicles! > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > >cassette? > >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:45:55 -0000 > > > >Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel > >drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of > >gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and without > >which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism is > >of > >people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't > >need > >such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip to > >the shopping mall. The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive > >monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the > >pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a simple > >saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit by > >vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs on > >the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. > > > >Thus, it ought to be compulsory to fit all SUVs and their like with > >Nakamichi cassette machines with an inbuilt tape recording of Rubenstein > >playing Chopin's "The Funeral March" !!! (Phew! Still on topic!!) > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds > > > Sent: 05 January 2005 16:06 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > > cassette? > > > > > > > > > From: "neil lipes" > > > > > > > You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the > > > exact name > > > > escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these > > > > "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have > > > an unbiased > > > > view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one > >conclusion > > > > after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these > >"monster" > > > > vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to have > >as > > > your > > > > vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have the sound > >of > > > > crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) > > > > > > Oh lord... For the most part, it's the idiot behind the steering > > > wheel that > > > matters, not what they're driving. I also drive a Honda Accord for > > > commuting simply because it gets better gas mileage than my Land > > > Rover does. > > > There are just as many idiots driving Hondas, Toyotas, VW's, > > > BMW's, etc. To > > > conclude that the vehicle itself is responsible for increased > >hostilities, > > > accidents, etc. is an absurd conclusion. If your assertion is that > >SUV's > > > cause more damage than a compact car when in accidents, then it's pretty > > > obvious that a 6000lb vehicle is going to cause more damage than a > >3000lb > > > vehicle all other things being equal (duh). Of course, I'd much rather > >be > > > in my Land Rover than my Honda if I get into an accident. > > > > > > Interestingly, my Land Rover has been rear ended a couple of > > > times (once by > > > a compact car, the other by a Jeep Grand Cherokee) - in both cases I was > > > either stopped at a stop sign or traffic light. Both vehicles that rear > > > ended me got towed away and I sustained no damage beyond a bit of paint > > > transfer in either case. There was no personal injury involved in > >either > > > accident. Clearly, my "monster" SUV must have been at fault > > > simply becuase > > > it's an SUV, but it was pretty convenient for me to be able to drive > >home > > > without any damage to my vehicle when I wasn't at fault (police > > > showed up in > > > both cases). On the other hand, my Honda got rear ended (I was > > > stopped at a > > > red light) by another compact car and while I was able to drive it, I > >was > > > inconvenienced by having to take it to a body shop for repairs. > > > > > > I find it amazing how people jump to incredibly misinformed conclusions. > > > Blaming a certain type of vehicle for some of the problems of society is > > > crazy. Blame the specific PEOPLE and how they use the item > > > (whatever it may > > > be), not the material item. > > > > > > There are people out there who litterally blow up SUV's because they > >think > > > they're evil. To me, that isn't much (if any) different from the > > > idiots who > > > hijacked airplanes and flew them into the World Trade Center towers in > >NY. > > > -- > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > http://landrover.geoff-reynolds.net > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 10:53:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:53:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c4f3d5$8b768340$60984c51@oemcomputer> Ah, you failed to get in a reference to Nakamichi in that post!! Lose ten points, or better still, one of your Nakamichi's .... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 05 January 2005 23:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > cassette? > > > I repeat....read the book..."The High And The Mighty".......You > will never > feel the same way about these vehicles! > > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Jan 6 12:31:37 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:31:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <000501c4f34d$7a5f16e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Nelson, according to the ground rules established so far "hey, thats one fine Nakamichi you have there big fella" Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 05 January 2005 17:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk And what if I am?!! <> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 05 January 2005 09:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Fred, I hope that you are not suggesting that any of the subscribers to this conference are 350lb sweaty pin headed fellows from rural Alabama! Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the meaning understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I used to put it to my composition students: You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." 2. "Gimme a Bud." Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". Those students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get you an ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; considered in context it's better English than the first. So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what he meant, it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's from, and it was appropriate given the context of an informal internet discussion forum. There. Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jan 6 13:33:47 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:33:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <41DC03AA.4020308@cox.net> References: <41DC03AA.4020308@cox.net> Message-ID: <41DD302B.9070005@snet.net> Really the best car to have in NYC is a wreck. When I was in my early adulthood, I had a beat up 20 year old Chevy Nova. I think people generally realized that I didn't much care if it took on another good dent or not! It was also liberating for me to drive pretty much care free in that urban jungle. Ed Tim Barrett wrote: > Neil - > > I'm not a New Yorker, but my wife was until I married her and 'made' > her move down to VA. During my episodes of driving in Manhattan I > noticed a definite pecking order to vehicles and traffic rights on the > streets. Dump trucks and vehicles of their ilk were definitely the > top of the heap. They did whatever they wanted to do and everyone > else seemed to accomodate them. Next were big delivery trucks, the > bigger the better, and then there was this whole battle going on > between cabs and buses and limos. People in normal cars were at the > mercy of all of the above, but even with the normal cars there were > levels of peckmanship. > > Since I didn't live there, but just had to deal with it sporadically, > I found it all very amusing. At the time I owned a Jeep Cherokee and > a Saturn. Other drivers gave me greater latitude and more deference > when I was driving the Jeep, and in the Saturn I just sort of > disappeared into the throng and was ignored entirely. > > The most fun I ever had on the streets of Manhattan was when we moved > my wife out. I rented a 24 foot U-Haul truck and drove it from 24th > and 2nd Ave out of the city and down to VA, and boy it was refreshing > to have everyone get out of my way. People seemed to anticipate what > I was about to do and just move out of the way. No honking horns or > dirty looks or anything. > > That may be one of the reasons why someone would want an intimidating > vehicle on the streets of NY. > > But where can they park it? > > Tim > > neil lipes wrote: > >> You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the exact >> name escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards >> these "monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have >> an unbiased view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach >> one conclusion after reading the book. And oh I have been told some >> of these "monster" vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a >> neccessary thing to have as your vehicle crushes the vehicle it has >> just hit...we can't have the sound of crumpling steel intrude on our >> morning commute!) >> >> N >> >>> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a >>> blank cassette? >>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:53 -0500 >>> >>> From: "neil lipes" >>> >>> > Yes....... sorry fellows, but the amount of testosterone on NYC >>> streets is >>> > overwhelming!.....and sorry but, what is with all the females that >>> are 5 >>> > foot tall behind the wheels of these monsters??? I guess the >>> operative >>> word >>> > is a INTIMIDATE! Those vehicles are a menace no two ways about it. >>> >>> Some of the drivers of any vehicle (not just SUV's) are the menace, >>> not the >>> vehicles. Do most of the people who drive SUV's actually "need" them? >>> Probably not, but the same argument could be made of our Nakamichi tape >>> decks too - we could get by quite well with a CD recorder, but we >>> enjoy our >>> Naks. Same thing with vehicles and many other material things. >>> >>> But I ask again if this is the Naktalk list or if I've been >>> transferred to >>> another... >>> -- >>> Geoffrey Reynolds >>> Land Rover Discovery and Nak CR-7A Owner >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >> FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jan 6 13:36:44 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:36:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: <000501c4f34d$7a5f16e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> References: <000501c4f34d$7a5f16e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41DD30DC.2040300@snet.net> Okay... cat's out of the bag. Yes, I am a 350lb sweaty pinhead from Alabama... now gimme a bud already! Ed Nelson wrote: > And what if I am?!! <> > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Locke > Sent: 05 January 2005 09:21 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk > > Fred, I hope that you are not suggesting that any of the > subscribers to this conference are 350lb sweaty pin headed fellows > from rural Alabama! > > Doug. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk > > Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding > doctor of english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in > to the OT fray here. English is "correct" when the meaning > intended by the speaker is the meaning understood by the > listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I used > to put it to my composition students: > > You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead > you spot a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked > out front. You enter, perceiving in the gloom a large number > of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You saunter up to the bar to > order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed fellow > with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned > neck. Which of these phrases is the correct one? > 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." > 2. "Gimme a Bud." > > Most students would usually pick sentence one as being > "correct". Those students are wrong. In that context, that > phrase is likelier to get you an ass-kicking than it is get > you a beer. The second sentence is "correct"; considered in > context it's better English than the first. > > So, I'd defend Gerald's english on the basis that I knew what > he meant, it gives me a sense of who he is and where he's > from, and it was appropriate given the context of an informal > internet discussion forum. There. > > Oh,and Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi. > > Fred > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 13:45:30 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:45:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <001801c4f3d5$8b768340$60984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: And their on board Naks!.There I got it in!, so there! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:53:16 -0000 > >Ah, you failed to get in a reference to Nakamichi in that post!! Lose ten >points, or better still, one of your Nakamichi's .... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 05 January 2005 23:55 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank > > cassette? > > > > > > I repeat....read the book..."The High And The Mighty".......You > > will never > > feel the same way about these vehicles! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 6 14:10:55 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Message-ID: First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I know my place guv! Nearly every posting in the last week as been on the subjects of Grammar or SUV's and the No. of Dragons you own!. What is going on? lets finish with all this crap! First lets look at SUV's. 4 + 4's and the like. come on you guys, you all know the ONLY reason why you drive them and it's nowt to do with guzzling petrol, running bulls over with you bars, moving heavy goods, protecting yourself from other road users, squashing little children and old ladies or choking the world with your pollution. My grandmother told me that the only reason men drive these monsters is all about the size of their private bits!, you know, Man driving big powerful car = little willie. Woman driving big powerful car = her man has a little willie. I am told that's why there are so many SUV's in the US! Yes its true! I once knew a lovely old lady. who spent her "working" life entertaining gentlemen in Bayswater, London. What she told me about her observations of international willie sizes over the years backs this up! Oh, I drive a 4 + 4, I tow boats the with it that my car wont. The No. of Dragons and CR7's in your spare bedroom possibly has something to do with Penis size as well? Who knows, they say there is nowt as strange as the relationship between men and their machines! Enough said I think. Grammar? What the hell are you guys about! This is the 21st century, things are changing, If I was reading the covering letter for a job application I would realise that that so called "grammatically correct" letter was probably written by somebody else anyway! My best employee, the guy who contributes more to my company than any other (including myself!) cant string 4 words together! so what! I cant imagine nowt so boring that to have a long conversation with somebody who acts like he has "the Shorter Oxford Dictionary" shoved up his ass! Iv'e just finished reading a book by a guy called Clarkson, this guy is passionate about cars and machines and he appears on UK TV all the time. The book has been composed in the same fashion as the man speaks on TV, with passion. So I understand it, it's great! If the book had been edited to make it grammatically correct I would have thrown it aside after the first chapter! American English? so its a bastardised version of the real thing! Colour vs color, who really cares. Your average Englishman doesn't I am sure, Way back in the "Dark ages" of the last century The way you spoke or wrote your language determined your class. In UK at least I believe the reaction to the way we are "Changing " the language is mostly by those who use it to define their "Middle English" status? What a load of bull! Status is now defined by money and nowt else. Will someone out there talk "Nakamichi!" please? after all this is "Naktalk" isn't it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Thu Jan 6 16:06:58 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:06:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Tape Closes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050106100557.03941710@127.0.0.1> At 07:59 PM 1/5/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Looks like the audio tape format is indeed becoming defunct ... >http://slashdot.org/articles/05/01/06/004226.shtml?tid=141&tid=188&tid=1 They've closed but they hope to reopen. There may be another manufacturer of mastering tape coming out of the woodwork, as well. Oh, and guess who supplied NPR with the background music from 19471001 . Cheers, Richard From lists at richardhess.com Thu Jan 6 16:05:35 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:05:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like In-Reply-To: <20050106060328.93120.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <003101c4f35f$2e25fa20$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050106100350.039455c0@127.0.0.1> At 10:03 PM 1/5/2005 -0800, you wrote: >So would I! But wouldnt 24/96 be more higher resolution then? Bala, yes 24/96 is higher resolution, but 24/88.2 allows a simple 2:1 sample rate reduction when burning CDs. They also use 176.4 and 192 ks/s, but there is some discussion that more isn't better at that point. Read the Pro Audio list archives for that answer, I'm not going to try and summarize here. > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Yum yum! I'd love to hear that through a nice amp and speakers ... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richarrd L. Hess > > Sent: 05 January 2005 19:08 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Bala, a CD is recorded at 44,100 samples per second with 16 bits > > per channel per > > sample. I am recording 24 bits per sample per channel at 88,200 > > samples per > > second: double the sample rate and 50% more bits. 88.2/24 is the usual > > shorthand for identifying this. A CD is 44.1/16 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 17:04:18 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:04:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105112748.0196d178@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Hello all, the ZX7 is really a great fun for me to play with. I simply love that, nearly any type of cassettes can be tuned to get the most performance of the tape. Even close-to-low-end cassettes can perform satisfactory with them. I would not say if they are reliable or not, I have only one ZX7 (my other Naks are inferior in my view, including RX505), and do not run them all the time... On the other hand, what do you think about azimuth-adjustment? My opinion is that it is better to have a fixed playback head, and correct any azimuth-errors while recording, in this way you can get an azimuth-error-free record, and you can play it back on any decks, if playback-azimuth is tuned to the Nak's playback-azimuth, the playback will be ok. If you make recordings with playback-head-tunable deck (record head fixed), you always have to use playback-head tuning, because the blank tapes are different (as far as azimuth-error is concerned), and the recordings will be consequently different. Please let me know if I am very wrong... Thank you! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck > > > Seems most people agree the CR7 is the best recording Nak, but are > somewhat finicky and early models have some issues. > The ZX7/ZX9 look like a lot of fun to play with. Are they reliable? Do > they record as well as the CR7? > The 680 series seem to be a lot of "purists" favorite decks. > The 700/1000 with ABLE seem to be nearly impossible to maintain at this > point. > Where does the Dragon stand in recording competency? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 6 15:23:54 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! References: Message-ID: <009701c4f3fb$5cfcd1b0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Colin Marsh" > First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from > the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I > know my place guv! > > Nearly every posting in the last week as been on the subjects of Grammar or > SUV's and the No. of Dragons you own!. What is going on? lets finish with > all this crap! > Will someone out there talk "Nakamichi!" please? after all this is > "Naktalk" isn't it? Perhaps you could take your own advice... -- Geoffrey Reynolds From bhonhoff at dds.nl Thu Jan 6 16:50:38 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:50:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105026638.41dd5e4e12501@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, As I took my CR7 out of the garage and went with it into town, I had to hit that BX-2, who was planning to put his TDK-D C120 in front of me store! Being a genuine 'That's MX-90' Cassette I normally refer to those TDK-D's as P*** in the CR-4. If they want to play a cassette properly why do they use a BX125 and not an ZX670? I opened my 600, gave him a smash with my 550 and TriTracered my 700 into his TDK-ED. Luckely there was a Cassette-recorder 1, who stumbled over my 582 and my 580. I put my 202 in reverse and ran off on my 480Z, 480 bart, PS I do own all these Nakamichi's. Quoting Colin Marsh : > > First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from > the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I > know my place guv! From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 17:50:26 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:50:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! References: <1105026638.41dd5e4e12501@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: Hey, you have all of those Naks...? :-) A "nice" story... sometimes I feel to get somehting language-lessons from you all... bt this story is far too complicated to my English-capabilities... Sorry for being so stupid in English, sometimes I really have to jump some messages, simply because I do not understand what is that all about. (My favorite is when formally one(1!) sentence is the all 6-row message, sometimes I simply do not know where a real sentence begins and where it ends.) Nice to read all your (understandable) messages, but please, do not take anything TOO seriously, as nobody wants to hurt you, via e-mail it is nearly impossible... Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "bart honhoff" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! > Hi, > > As I took my CR7 out of the garage and went with it into town, I had to hit > that BX-2, who was planning to put his TDK-D C120 in front of me store! > > Being a genuine 'That's MX-90' Cassette I normally refer to those TDK-D's as > P*** in the CR-4. If they want to play a cassette properly why do they use a > BX125 and not an ZX670? I opened my 600, gave him a smash with my 550 and > TriTracered my 700 into his TDK-ED. > > Luckely there was a Cassette-recorder 1, who stumbled over my 582 and my 580. > > I put my 202 in reverse and ran off on my 480Z, > > 480 > > bart, PS I do own all these Nakamichi's. > > Quoting Colin Marsh : > > > > > First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from > > the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I > > know my place guv! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 18:05:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:05:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck Message-ID: Hi Istvan! The first Tri-Tracer 700 > 700/2 1000 > 1000/2 have the playback fixed from the factory "Calibrated" with a Seal on it!!! and you turn the Recording head, using the build in 500 Hz signal "Level"; for proper azimuth with the Factory 100% fixed and Sealed playback head. That work extremely well, NOW..Dragon line came with maybe a better solution...Playback automatic azimuth...SO...IF you have a lot of cassettes made in many brands of deck machines...will at the END always sound at the best way possible! I love this Dragon feature, as I had during so many years many 3 & 2 heads decks...NOT always 100% factory fixed alignment. Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recording deck >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:04:18 +0100 > >Hello all, > >the ZX7 is really a great fun for me to play with. I simply love that, >nearly any type of cassettes can be tuned to get the most performance of >the tape. >Even close-to-low-end cassettes can perform satisfactory with them. >I would not say if they are reliable or not, I have only one ZX7 (my other >Naks are inferior in my view, including RX505), and do not run them all the >time... > >On the other hand, what do you think about azimuth-adjustment? My opinion >is that it is better to have a fixed playback head, and correct any >azimuth-errors while recording, in this way you can get an >azimuth-error-free record, and you can play it back on any decks, if >playback-azimuth is tuned to the Nak's playback-azimuth, the playback will >be ok. > >If you make recordings with playback-head-tunable deck (record head fixed), >you always have to use playback-head tuning, because the blank tapes are >different (as far as azimuth-error is concerned), and the recordings will >be consequently different. > >Please let me know if I am very wrong... > >Thank you! > >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:31 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck > > >> >> >>Seems most people agree the CR7 is the best recording Nak, but are >>somewhat finicky and early models have some issues. >>The ZX7/ZX9 look like a lot of fun to play with. Are they reliable? Do >>they record as well as the CR7? >>The 680 series seem to be a lot of "purists" favorite decks. >>The 700/1000 with ABLE seem to be nearly impossible to maintain at this >>point. >>Where does the Dragon stand in recording competency? >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 19:17:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c4f41b$ebe27e00$9b944c51@oemcomputer> LOL! Like it!! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 06 January 2005 11:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk Nelson, according to the ground rules established so far "hey, thats one fine Nakamichi you have there big fella" Doug. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 19:17:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c4f41b$eeab13e0$9b944c51@oemcomputer> Oh Gawd! Neva mind the bleedin' sweaty 350lb pin head, this one's a bleedin' Cockney geeza!! Watcha Colin!! I may now be an 'onorary Scouser these days but I'm originally from Souf of the Riva, mate! The restavya may not understand wot I'm sayin' but Colin wiwl cos 'ees from Lundun. Anyways, this is fonetic spellin' in a Souf Lundun axcent, innit. Now then, me old China. Luv ya postin', mate an' I agree wiv a lot of it. But keep y'blinkin' wig on ' cos we're only 'aving a bit of fun an' ribbin' each uvva! So, wot's Cockney rhymin' slang for Nakamichi? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 06 January 2005 13:11 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Oh, G First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I know my place guv! Nearly every posting in the last week as been on the subjects of Grammar or SUV's and the No. of Dragons you own!. What is going on? lets finish with all this crap! First lets look at SUV's. 4 + 4's and the like. come on you guys, you all know the ONLY reason why you drive them and it's nowt to do with guzzling petrol, running bulls over with you bars, moving heavy goods, protecting yourself from other road users, squashing little children and old ladies or choking the world with your pollution. My grandmother told me that the only reason men drive these monsters is all about the size of their private bits!, you know, Man driving big powerful car = little willie. Woman driving big powerful car = her man has a little willie. I am told that's why there are so many SUV's in the US! Yes its true! I once knew a lovely old lady. who spent her "working" life entertaining gentlemen in Bayswater, London. What she told me about her observations of international willie sizes over the years backs this up! Oh, I drive a 4 + 4, I tow boats the with it that my car wont. The No. of Dragons and CR7's in your spare bedroom possibly has something to do with Penis size as well? Who knows, they say there is nowt as strange as the relationship between men and their machines! Enough said I think. Grammar? What the hell are you guys about! This is the 21st century, things are changing, If I was reading the covering letter for a job application I would realise that that so called "grammatically correct" letter was probably written by somebody else anyway! My best employee, the guy who contributes more to my company than any other (including myself!) cant string 4 words together! so what! I cant imagine nowt so boring that to have a long conversation with somebody who acts like he has "the Shorter Oxford Dictionary" shoved up his ass! Iv'e just finished reading a book by a guy called Clarkson, this guy is passionate about cars and machines and he appears on UK TV all the time. The book has been composed in the same fashion as the man speaks on TV, with passion. So I understand it, it's great! If the book had been edited to make it grammatically correct I would have thrown it aside after the first chapter! American English? so its a bastardised version of the real thing! Colour vs color, who really cares. Your average Englishman doesn't I am sure, Way back in the "Dark ages" of the last century The way you spoke or wrote your language determined your class. In UK at least I believe the reaction to the way we are "Changing " the language is mostly by those who use it to define their "Middle English" status? What a load of bull! Status is now defined by money and nowt else. Will someone out there talk "Nakamichi!" please? after all this is "Naktalk" isn't it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 19:17:20 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: <1105026638.41dd5e4e12501@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <003b01c4f41b$f63b6b00$9b944c51@oemcomputer> Priceless, Bart!!! Nearly wet m'self! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of bart honhoff > Sent: 06 January 2005 15:51 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! > > > Hi, > > As I took my CR7 out of the garage and went with it into town, I > had to hit > that BX-2, who was planning to put his TDK-D C120 in front of me store! > > Being a genuine 'That's MX-90' Cassette I normally refer to those > TDK-D's as > P*** in the CR-4. If they want to play a cassette properly why do > they use a > BX125 and not an ZX670? I opened my 600, gave him a smash with my 550 and > TriTracered my 700 into his TDK-ED. > > Luckely there was a Cassette-recorder 1, who stumbled over my 582 > and my 580. > > I put my 202 in reverse and ran off on my 480Z, > > 480 > > bart, PS I do own all these Nakamichi's. > > Quoting Colin Marsh : > > > > > First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, > I come from > > the East End of London England and my degree is only in > engineering! so I > > know my place guv! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Jan 6 17:32:57 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:32:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Ta pe Closes Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106112907.01951828@psulias.psu.edu> Not quite. Companies are still producing pre-recorded tapes. I just bought Moondance, Kind of Blue, Allman Bros GH and some other new tape for a grand total of $20.01, including taxes. You can still order cassettes through Sony, usually for 2/3 or less than a CD. I think there are still a lot of people who only have tape decks in their cars, and no way or inclination to record CDs to tapes. Actually I hear analog recording is making a comeback in the "biz". At 03:53 AM 1/6/2005, you wrote: >That's a bit sad, I guess you are right Stan about the tape format >becoming defunct. > > This is Tom "snif", signing off. >-----Original Message----- >From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at comcast.net] >Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 1:00 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Tape >Closes > >Looks like the audio tape format is indeed becoming defunct ... >http://slashdot.org/articles/05/01/06/004226.shtml?tid=141&tid=188&tid=1 > >What are the cassettes that are still in production now around the world? > >- TDK D >- Maxell UR, XLII >- Fuji Z-II > >any others? > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions Yes, you read that right! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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RE: Correct talk on naktalk (Doug Locke) > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 04 January 2005 19:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Correct talk on naktalk > > > Alright, as a former composition teacher and license holding doctor of >english (Ph.D Duke 1995), I can't help but jump in to the OT fray here. >English is "correct" when the meaning intended by the speaker is the meaning >understood by the listener given the context of the utterance. Here's how I >used to put it to my composition students: > > You are driving through rural Alabama on a hot day. Up ahead you spot >a dilapidated roadside tavern with 20 Harleys parked out front. You enter, >perceiving in the gloom a large number of hairy, leather-clad bikers. You >saunter up to the bar to order from the 350lb bartender, a sweaty pin-headed >fellow with straw still adhering to the back of his red, sunburned neck. >Which of these phrases is the correct one? > 1. "Sir, may I purchase a Budweiser." > 2. "Gimme a Bud." > > Most students would usually pick sentence one as being "correct". >Those students are wrong. In that context, that phrase is likelier to get >you an ass-kicking than it is get you a beer. The second sentence is >"correct"; considered in context it's better English than the first. > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Jan 6 17:44:35 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:44:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Refurbished deck prices In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105112748.0196d178@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106113933.01b4dd88@psulias.psu.edu> Some of the prices asked for refurbished Naks is insane. ES Labs has a CR7 for $2000, a ZX9 for $1200, a 700ZXL for $2500! An MR-1 for $1000. A place called Edumpster has a dragon selling for $2800 I believe. Is one year warranty really worth a %300-%500 increase over Ebay prices? From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar Thu Jan 6 17:46:36 2005 From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:46:36 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] help References: <200501061512.j06FCcHb009297@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <0d7301c4f40f$50be6bc0$685a2ac8@thiny> help From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 6 22:19:33 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:19:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! Message-ID: <20050106211933.5DB6ED584@smtp.amb.org> I just received my "new" CR-7A today and it's beautiful. The previous owner obviously took great care of it. Just a little wipe and it looks brand new. I cleaned and de-mag'ed the heads, and played some tapes on it. Sounds wonderful. Along with my Dragon, now I have two of the best. Very happy camper here. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 6 22:40:34 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:40:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts Message-ID: <41DDB052.4040302@cox.net> There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZoldiesrecordsQ2etrQQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsorecordstoskipZ0QQsosortpropertyZ1 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 23:14:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:14:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: <20050106211933.5DB6ED584@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <000501c4f43d$1a956fc0$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Ti Ask Wouter very nicely if he'll show you a picture of the internals of his CR-7 and consider copying the "Transtec" modification. You'll be very surprised at how good it is ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 06 January 2005 21:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! > > > I just received my "new" CR-7A today and it's beautiful. The previous > owner obviously took great care of it. Just a little wipe and it looks > brand new. I cleaned and de-mag'ed the heads, and played some > tapes on it. > Sounds wonderful. > > Along with my Dragon, now I have two of the best. Very happy camper here. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 23:14:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:14:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts In-Reply-To: <41DDB052.4040302@cox.net> Message-ID: <000601c4f43d$1b880d20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Never dealt with anyone from Turkey on eBay but I'd not imagine it'd be any more risky than almost anywhere else. In almost 100 transactions I've only been sold a puppy once. Just be happy the seller has a good track record and no shades! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 06 January 2005 21:41 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts > > > There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, > including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for > the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete > Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment > fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing > with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZoldiesrecordsQ2etrQQsorecordsperp > ageZ50QQsorecordstoskipZ0QQsosortpropertyZ1 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 6 23:23:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:23:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Enough... and Sugar coating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c4f43e$5c2b2e60$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Come on, Steve, don't take this so seriously - getting a life, having fun, is what the humour and side talk is all about. We adore our Naks but we're not obsessively focussed on them. Just a bit of light relief is needed sometimes, and who best to share that with than your mates? The majority of the posts ARE about Naks - count them over a year and let the stats speak for themselves. But when you stray off topic ... make sure you get in a reference to Nakamichi ... Which reminds me ... When my ZX-9 came back from B&W it looked like they'd T-cut and waxed the body work! Like it was new!! How you you all keep your Nak exteriors looking pristine or do you, like me, simply give them a wipe over with a damp cloth every now and then? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: 06 January 2005 18:56 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Enough... Folks: Kindly remove me from the list. Don't know if it's an after-holidays phenomenon or what, but there is just too much wading through postings that have devolved into one-upsmanship in verbal diarhhea...SUV-bashing, relating private parts to number of Naks... Holy Crow--Can't we get a life here? Stay focussed on USEFUL information? Just too many damned e-mails to open...hoping for solid data about our favorite machines. As I recall, that is why I signed on during the summer. I recall there being some admonition some months ago about restricting posts to Nakamichi matters. Have the inmates taken over the asylum??? Pity. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 7 00:15:15 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: <000501c4f43d$1a956fc0$76c74c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Jan 06, 2005 10:14:34 PM Message-ID: <20050106231515.72F8A17DCA@smtp.amb.org> Nelson writes: > Ask Wouter very nicely if he'll show you a picture of the internals of his > CR-7 and consider copying the "Transtec" modification. You'll be very > surprised at how good it is ... Interesting, what is entailed in this mod? Also, I just noticed by looking at the photos from the San Francisco bay area marathon tape meet, that the CR-7A we used to record the master has a vented opening "grille" at the left rear of top cover. Mine does not have such a vent, however it has venting on the left side. Was this a running change in production? My CR-7A is an early example, build date is first quarter of 1985, but it looks pristine. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From lists at richardhess.com Fri Jan 7 00:22:13 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:22:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy - Last Manufacturer of Pro Analog Audio Ta pe Closes In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106112907.01951828@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050106181837.051b5040@127.0.0.1> At 11:32 AM 1/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Not quite. Companies are still producing pre-recorded tapes. I just >bought Moondance, Kind of Blue, Allman Bros GH and some other new tape for >a grand total of $20.01, including taxes. You can still order cassettes >through Sony, usually for 2/3 or less than a CD. I think there are still >a lot of people who only have tape decks in their cars, and no way or >inclination to record CDs to tapes. Please note the subject: PRO Audio tape We're referring to the stuff that recording studios use. Quantegy was the last producer of premium quality 1/4, 1/2, 1, and 2-inch audio tape for professional applications. There is one Indian and one Hong Kong supplier of utility-grade 1/4-inch tape and that's it to the best of my knowledge. 3M and Ampex both sold their tape businesses to Quantegy. Maxell quite making reel tapes (and apparently has stopped making the high-end cassettes as well), EMTEC (which was BASF) went last year. Zonal went several years ago. Audiopak/Capitol went a few years before that. Gone unless Quantegy comes back which is still a possibility. Cheers, Richard From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 00:30:51 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:30:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: <20050106231515.72F8A17DCA@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <001301c4f447$c26b8c20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Not being techie, I've really no idea what the modification entails, but it was done by Transtec to my ZX-9. I seem to recall Wouter showed some photos of it once and I think Ron (no longer with NakList) identified what it was. Vents? I don't recall seeing that on my CR7A. I don't have it any more to check. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 06 January 2005 23:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! > > > Nelson writes: > > Ask Wouter very nicely if he'll show you a picture of the > internals of his > > CR-7 and consider copying the "Transtec" modification. You'll be very > > surprised at how good it is ... > > Interesting, what is entailed in this mod? > > Also, I just noticed by looking at the photos from the San Francisco bay > area marathon tape meet, that the CR-7A we used to record the master has > a vented opening "grille" at the left rear of top cover. Mine does not > have such a vent, however it has venting on the left side. Was this > a running change in production? My CR-7A is an early example, build date > is first quarter of 1985, but it looks pristine. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jan 7 01:34:51 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:34:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup Message-ID: <001501c4f450$b8860b50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Over the holidays, dabbling with my stacks of cassette treasures, I bubbled up ( hey, hey, you know after drinking a bottle of Italian Spumonte on New Years Eve with family friends ) with the idea of starting an egroup focusing on collecting and using classic cassettes. Here's what I came up with...... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CassetteForum/ I've been reading over NakTalk digests periodically during the last few weeks ( at times with exceptional glee :-}} ), and have observed a fair amount of discussion about cassette types, uses, which are best, et cetera. Well, if any of you NakTalkers are interested in more detailed info sharing and discussion in this particular area of our favorite audio leisure past time, consider joining the few Nakkers that are already members of the CassetteForum. My plans are to build an archive on that eGroup website which will hold articles, photo images, and anything else valuable that membership wishes to post for sharing. Let me know if you have something useful to contribute. All for now, I'm listening to a remastered Sonny Rollins album, "Tenor Madness", transposed from compact disc to ZX-C cassette, record and playback on the ZX-7 deck. As the snow continues to float down upon the MadCity....... Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W Psssst.... If you want to look-up your geographic location in latitude and longitude coordinates, have a try at using the World Atlas interface: http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/imageg.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Fri Jan 7 01:28:53 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:28:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts In-Reply-To: <41DDB052.4040302@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050106192356.07ac3d30@127.0.0.1> When I lived in Los Angeles earlier this year I bought three gauges from Guran and you can see my positive feedback ( rlhess ) on 20040428 and 20040310 in the seller's feedback. It was nervous-making, but he delivered the goods. His prices appear to be even higher, now, but what the heck, if you need it, you need it. Cheers, Richard At 04:40 PM 1/6/2005 -0500, Tim Barrett wrote: >There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, >including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for >the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete Sankyo >transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment >fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing >with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. > >http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZoldiesrecordsQ2etrQQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsorecordstoskipZ0QQsosortpropertyZ1 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jan 7 01:44:17 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7E6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey Bleus, hope you are well. If you need photos I'd be more than happy scan any tape you are after. I have a huge collection of tapes including Nakamichi ZX and SX (two SX unopened). I'd be happy to oblige. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] Sent: Friday, 7 January 2005 11:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup Over the holidays, dabbling with my stacks of cassette treasures, I bubbled up ( hey, hey, you know after drinking a bottle of Italian Spumonte on New Years Eve with family friends ) with the idea of starting an egroup focusing on collecting and using classic cassettes. Here's what I came up with...... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CassetteForum/ I've been reading over NakTalk digests periodically during the last few weeks ( at times with exceptional glee :-}} ), and have observed a fair amount of discussion about cassette types, uses, which are best, et cetera. Well, if any of you NakTalkers are interested in more detailed info sharing and discussion in this particular area of our favorite audio leisure past time, consider joining the few Nakkers that are already members of the CassetteForum. My plans are to build an archive on that eGroup website which will hold articles, photo images, and anything else valuable that membership wishes to post for sharing. Let me know if you have something useful to contribute. All for now, I'm listening to a remastered Sonny Rollins album, "Tenor Madness", transposed from compact disc to ZX-C cassette, record and playback on the ZX-7 deck. As the snow continues to float down upon the MadCity....... Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W Psssst.... 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We adore our Naks but we're not obsessively focussed on them. Just a bit of light relief is needed sometimes, and who best to share that with than your mates? The majority of the posts ARE about Naks - count them over a year and let the stats speak for themselves. But when you stray off topic ... make sure you get in a reference to Nakamichi ... Which reminds me ... When my ZX-9 came back from B&W it looked like they'd T-cut and waxed the body work! Like it was new!! How you you all keep your Nak exteriors looking pristine or do you, like me, simply give them a wipe over with a damp cloth every now and then? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: 06 January 2005 18:56 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Enough... Folks: Kindly remove me from the list. Don't know if it's an after-holidays phenomenon or what, but there is just too much wading through postings that have devolved into one-upsmanship in verbal diarhhea...SUV-bashing, relating private parts to number of Naks... Holy Crow--Can't we get a life here? Stay focussed on USEFUL information? Just too many damned e-mails to open...hoping for solid data about our favorite machines. As I recall, that is why I signed on during the summer. I recall there being some admonition some months ago about restricting posts to Nakamichi matters. Have the inmates taken over the asylum??? Pity. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 02:51:24 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modifications Message-ID: <000b01c4f45b$654e0630$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Ti, Gra', My CR-7A (used for the SF Session Marathon Master Tape) was produced the 4th Qtr of 1986 (SN 08102)....as much as two years after yours. It has the vent perforations on the top as you mentioned, but none on the side. >From an earlier series of posts, I surmised that an EQ modification (IEC1 to IEC2) can be done on decks with serial numbers before approximately 08677. I had ESL do their own equalization modification when they overhauled my unit. They replaced the orange caps and installed the gear reel hub drive at the same time. Is the 'Transtec Mod." an EQ mod? Fuad has some good information on the circuit differences between an early and late CR-7, but I didn't save them since mine had already been modified. Robert Kent Ti Kan wrote: Interesting, what is entailed in this mod? Also, I just noticed by looking at the photos from the San Francisco bay area marathon tape meet, that the CR-7A we used to record the master has a vented opening "grille" at the left rear of top cover. Mine does not have such a vent, however it has venting on the left side. Was this a running change in production? My CR-7A is an early example, build date is first quarter of 1985, but it looks pristine. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik Ti Ask Wouter very nicely if he'll show you a picture of the internals of his CR-7 and consider copying the "Transtec" modification. You'll be very surprised at how good it is ... Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 03:00:43 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:00:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer Message-ID: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Tim, I bid on and won some Telarc and Sheffield Reference tapes from him (oldiesrecs at ttnet.net.tr). It was not wise, but I sent him cash by Registered Mail to avoid the hastle of a wire transfer. Long story short.....he apparently never recieved the money ($120), and I never received my tapes. I'm not blaming him, because I have no way of knowing where the cash ended up, but I would suggest anyone bidding on his items not send cash. Robert Kent Tim wrote: There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 7 03:16:05 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer In-Reply-To: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <41DDF0E5.9080905@cox.net> As much as I'd love to have a T-100, his minimum bid is out of my budget. I'll watch the progress on his stuff, though. rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I bid on and won some Telarc and Sheffield Reference tapes from him > (oldiesrecs at ttnet.net.tr). It was not wise, but I sent him cash by > Registered Mail to avoid the hastle of a wire transfer. Long story > short.....he apparently never recieved the money ($120), and I never > received my tapes. I'm not blaming him, because I have no way of > knowing where the cash ended up, but I would suggest anyone bidding on > his items not send cash. > > Robert Kent > > Tim wrote: > > There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, > including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for > the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete > Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment > fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing > with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 7 04:01:07 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:01:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: <001301c4f447$c26b8c20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Jan 06, 2005 11:30:51 PM Message-ID: <20050107030107.80BC81692E@smtp.amb.org> Nelson writes: > Vents? I don't recall seeing that on my CR7A. I don't have it any more to > check. Here is a pic of Robert's CR-7A with the vent perforations on the top cover: http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/dsc00766.jpg Here are some pics of mine (no vent at the top): http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-1.jpg http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-2.jpg http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-3.jpg http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-4.jpg http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-5.jpg http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-6.jpg -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From lists at richardhess.com Fri Jan 7 04:51:48 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:51:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer In-Reply-To: <41DDF0E5.9080905@cox.net> References: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <41DDF0E5.9080905@cox.net> Message-ID: <1105069908.41de0754be714@www.richardhess.com> I used a Western Union money transfer and he got his money, I got my goods. There was a hassle on my part getting WU to work on my computer, but it finally happened and he was patient. It's not cheap, but I ordered from him twice and was pleased. He even included a nice post card of Turkey in one of the shipments. -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/ Quoting Tim Barrett : > As much as I'd love to have a T-100, his minimum bid is out of my > budget. I'll watch the progress on his stuff, though. > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > > > I bid on and won some Telarc and Sheffield Reference tapes from him > > (oldiesrecs at ttnet.net.tr). It was not wise, but I sent him cash by > > Registered Mail to avoid the hastle of a wire transfer. Long story > > short.....he apparently never recieved the money ($120), and I never > > received my tapes. I'm not blaming him, because I have no way of > > knowing where the cash ended up, but I would suggest anyone bidding on > > his items not send cash. > > > > Robert Kent > > > > Tim wrote: > > > > There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, > > including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for > > the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete > > Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment > > fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing > > with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 05:48:38 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 06:48:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7E6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Shalom Bleus & Tom! I also make digit photos ultra sharp ones af all my cassette collection! Only do not hesitate to ask! ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:17 +1100 > >Hey Bleus, hope you are well. If you need photos I'd be more than happy >scan >any tape you are after. I have a huge collection of tapes including >Nakamichi ZX and SX (two SX unopened). I'd be happy to oblige. > > Regards, > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] >Sent: Friday, 7 January 2005 11:35 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup > > >Over the holidays, dabbling with my stacks of cassette treasures, I bubbled >up ( hey, hey, you know after drinking a bottle of Italian Spumonte on New >Years Eve with family friends ) with the idea of starting an egroup >focusing >on collecting and using classic cassettes. > >Here's what I came up with...... > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CassetteForum/ > > >I've been reading over NakTalk digests periodically during the last few >weeks ( at times with exceptional glee :-}} ), and have observed a fair >amount of discussion about cassette types, uses, which are best, et cetera. >Well, if any of you NakTalkers are interested in more detailed info sharing >and discussion in this particular area of our favorite audio leisure past >time, consider joining the few Nakkers that are already members of the >CassetteForum. > >My plans are to build an archive on that eGroup website which will hold >articles, photo images, and anything else valuable that membership wishes >to >post for sharing. Let me know if you have something useful to contribute. >All for now, I'm listening to a remastered Sonny Rollins album, "Tenor >Madness", transposed from compact disc to ZX-C cassette, record and >playback >on the ZX-7 deck. > >As the snow continues to float down upon the MadCity....... > >Best regards, > >Bleus de Nakker >Madison, Wisc USA >Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W > > >Psssst.... >If you want to look-up your geographic location in latitude and >longitude coordinates, have a try at using the World Atlas interface: > > >http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/imageg.htm > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 05:58:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 06:58:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050106192356.07ac3d30@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Who; need some of those items...PAY...for it!!!! ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: timbarrett at cox.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak parts >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:28:53 -0500 > >When I lived in Los Angeles earlier this year I bought three gauges from >Guran and you can see my positive feedback ( rlhess ) on 20040428 and >20040310 in the seller's feedback. It was nervous-making, but he delivered >the goods. His prices appear to be even higher, now, but what the heck, if >you need it, you need it. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 04:40 PM 1/6/2005 -0500, Tim Barrett wrote: >>There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, >>including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for >>the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete Sankyo >>transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment fixtures. >>I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing with an >>international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. >> >>http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZoldiesrecordsQ2etrQQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsorecordstoskipZ0QQsosortpropertyZ1 > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 06:13:56 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:13:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Pics Message-ID: <009c01c4f477$b0464fa0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Ti, I noticed in your photos that your Record button light looks kind of pink instead of red.....is that correct? Mine is red and matches the Rec Mute and Fader button lights exactly. Otherwise it looks to be in really fine condition....congratulations! By the way, that low res photo of my CR-7 from the SF Nak Marathon gathering makes it look beat up.....it is actually in pristine condition. Who's camera was that? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jan 7 06:07:37 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:07:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts References: <41DDB052.4040302@cox.net> Message-ID: <001001c4f476$cf6c0e20$d1ccfea9@drewescomp> I have bought from him on 4 occassions through eBay and have not been let down yet.His english leaves a bit to be desired and is a bit slow but everything arrived in South Africa OK. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Barrett" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts > There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, > including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for > the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete > Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment > fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing > with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZoldiesrecordsQ2etrQQsorecordsperpageZ50QQso recordstoskipZ0QQsosortpropertyZ1 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 7 06:38:13 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:38:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Pics In-Reply-To: <009c01c4f477$b0464fa0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> from "rjkent@comcast.net" at Jan 06, 2005 09:13:56 PM Message-ID: <20050107053813.2162E13495@smtp.amb.org> rjkent at comcast.net writes: > I noticed in your photos that your Record button light looks kind of = > pink instead of red.....is that correct? Mine is red and matches the = > Rec Mute and Fader button lights exactly. Otherwise it looks to be in = > really fine condition....congratulations! It's red, although by eye that light is just slightly dimmer than the Rec Mute and Fader button lights. Somehow the camera picked up a shade of pink. Weird. I opened up the top cover to have a look, and it's as clean inside as it is outside. The large top board is the logic PCB, and I didn't notice any orange caps on there (I did see some film caps that are red in color). Are there supposed to be any on this board? I didn't check the main board beneath it because that would require unscrewing the logic board and disconnecting a bunch of wires. This particular deck has a "Refurbished by Nakamichi" sticker on the back, and the carton that it came in has a prior shipping label addressed from Nakamichi USA in Torrance, CA. I wonder perhaps Nakamichi has already done some tweaking with this unit. > By the way, that low res photo of my CR-7 from the SF Nak Marathon = > gathering makes it look beat up.....it is actually in pristine = > condition. Who's camera was that? It was my camera, I think the flash accentuated the dust particles and reflections from the edges, etc., to make it look that way. The pics I took of my new CR-7A was done with the same camera, albeit without flash, using indoor lighting and then I applied some gamma correction to the images. BTW, as part of this CR-7A purchase I also got a TD-700 car deck. Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, because I don't need another car stereo. Thinking of perhaps powering it with a 12VDC power supply and use it as a mini stereo on my workbench... :) -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jan 7 06:42:08 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:42:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup Message-ID: <001001c4f47b$a726f740$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Tom, good buddy from western Australia!!! Do you have any of those Sony Metal Master or Super Metal Master cassettes? How about TDK MA-R's or SA-XG's?? Maxell Metal Vertex??? Some of the rarities, truly elite grade cassettes would be excellent starters for the new photo image gallery. Better yet, how about an array of your favs, and then we'll start a collage of photo images from various collectors/users from around the world. Let's get something going, others are welcome to contribute. Contact me directly at: kjbleus at lycos.com Regards, Bleus ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:17 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: CassetteForum eGroup To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Hey Bleus, hope you are well. If you need photos I'd be more than happy scan any tape you are after. I have a huge collection of tapes including Nakamichi ZX and SX (two SX unopened). I'd be happy to oblige. Regards, Tom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 08:11:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:11:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! Message-ID: Amazing Ti! Your deck differ from my Dragon in green display instead my Dragon's red one? I was 100% sure that all the Nak machines use the same "RED" color display? or I'm wrong? Please correct me! Nice photos!!! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:01:07 -0800 (PST) > >Nelson writes: > > Vents? I don't recall seeing that on my CR7A. I don't have it any more >to > > check. > >Here is a pic of Robert's CR-7A with the vent perforations on the top >cover: > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/dsc00766.jpg > >Here are some pics of mine (no vent at the top): > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-1.jpg > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-2.jpg > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-3.jpg > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-4.jpg > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-5.jpg > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/cr7a-6.jpg > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 7 08:32:59 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:32:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: from "Alex Cozac" at Jan 07, 2005 09:11:32 AM Message-ID: <20050107073259.4304816923@smtp.amb.org> Alex Cozac writes: > Amazing Ti! > > Your deck differ from my Dragon in green display instead my Dragon's red > one? I was 100% sure that all the Nak machines use the same "RED" color > display? or I'm wrong? Please correct me! > > Nice photos!!! > > ALEX! The newer CR series Naks has this yellow-amber fluorescent display instead of the older models with the red LEDs. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 08:58:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:58:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! Message-ID: God will Bless you always!!! Thanks for your information! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:32:59 -0800 (PST) > >Alex Cozac writes: > > Amazing Ti! > > > > Your deck differ from my Dragon in green display instead my Dragon's red > > one? I was 100% sure that all the Nak machines use the same "RED" color > > display? or I'm wrong? Please correct me! > > > > Nice photos!!! > > > > ALEX! > >The newer CR series Naks has this yellow-amber fluorescent display >instead of the older models with the red LEDs. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 6 22:35:24 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:35:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 34 In-Reply-To: <200501062107.j06L7CHZ010627@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501062107.j06L7CHZ010627@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: How about: socks are itchy. As in: "pop that in yer socksareitchy and there you are mate, hi-bloody-fi" cheers, Fred (ex Londoner). > From: Nelson > Date: January 6, 2005 10:17:06 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Oh Gawd!  Neva mind the bleedin' sweaty 350lb pin head, this one's a > bleedin' Cockney geeza!!    So, wot's Cockney rhymin' slang for > Nakamichi? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <001301c4f447$c26b8c20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <03a301c4f454$8ad06580$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Nelson" > Not being techie, I've really no idea what the modification entails, but it > was done by Transtec to my ZX-9. I seem to recall Wouter showed some photos > of it once and I think Ron (no longer with NakList) identified what it was. > > Vents? I don't recall seeing that on my CR7A. I don't have it any more to > check. The newer CR-7A's have the extra vents on the top, while the older ones don't. Also, from list member Ron: > The equalization upgrade was incorporated after > S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. CR-7 after serial # A130-11000 is supposedly the prefered serial number range. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 03:15:55 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:15:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: <20050106211933.5DB6ED584@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: My >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:19:33 -0800 (PST) > >I just received my "new" CR-7A today and it's beautiful. The previous >owner obviously took great care of it. Just a little wipe and it looks >brand new. I cleaned and de-mag'ed the heads, and played some tapes on it. >Sounds wonderful. > >Along with my Dragon, now I have two of the best. Very happy camper here. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 03:15:03 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:15:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Refurbished deck prices In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106113933.01b4dd88@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Hey that is Donald Trump cash! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Refurbished deck prices >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:44:35 -0500 > > > >Some of the prices asked for refurbished Naks is insane. >ES Labs has a CR7 for $2000, a ZX9 for $1200, a 700ZXL for $2500! An MR-1 >for $1000. >A place called Edumpster has a dragon selling for $2800 I believe. >Is one year warranty really worth a %300-%500 increase over Ebay prices? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alex.cozac at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 05:55:57 2005 From: alex.cozac at gmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:55:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay item 5742718369 (Ends Jan-13-05 12:17:45 PST) - NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW Message-ID: <000501c4f475$3017e5c0$cd8410ac@cozac> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5742718369&rd=1 Folks! Really a JOKE!!!! I have 4 of them like him!!!! Factory sealed!!! $:24.00 for a cloth!!!! Amazing!!!!! ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Jan 7 02:11:54 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:11:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: <003601c4f41b$eeab13e0$9b944c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Gathered from Colin's previous postings, perhaps the rhyming slang for Nakamichi should be "dicky", big or small? Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 06 January 2005 18:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Oh Gawd! Neva mind the bleedin' sweaty 350lb pin head, this one's a bleedin' Cockney geeza!! Watcha Colin!! I may now be an 'onorary Scouser these days but I'm originally from Souf of the Riva, mate! The restavya may not understand wot I'm sayin' but Colin wiwl cos 'ees from Lundun. Anyways, this is fonetic spellin' in a Souf Lundun axcent, innit. Now then, me old China. Luv ya postin', mate an' I agree wiv a lot of it. But keep y'blinkin' wig on ' cos we're only 'aving a bit of fun an' ribbin' each uvva! So, wot's Cockney rhymin' slang for Nakamichi? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 06 January 2005 13:11 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Oh, G First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I know my place guv! Nearly every posting in the last week as been on the subjects of Grammar or SUV's and the No. of Dragons you own!. What is going on? lets finish with all this crap! First lets look at SUV's. 4 + 4's and the like. come on you guys, you all know the ONLY reason why you drive them and it's nowt to do with guzzling petrol, running bulls over with you bars, moving heavy goods, protecting yourself from other road users, squashing little children and old ladies or choking the world with your pollution. My grandmother told me that the only reason men drive these monsters is all about the size of their private bits!, you know, Man driving big powerful car = little willie. Woman driving big powerful car = her man has a little willie. I am told that's why there are so many SUV's in the US! Yes its true! I once knew a lovely old lady. who spent her "working" life entertaining gentlemen in Bayswater, London. What she told me about her observations of international willie sizes over the years backs this up! Oh, I drive a 4 + 4, I tow boats the with it that my car wont. The No. of Dragons and CR7's in your spare bedroom possibly has something to do with Penis size as well? Who knows, they say there is nowt as strange as the relationship between men and their machines! Enough said I think. Grammar? What the hell are you guys about! This is the 21st century, things are changing, If I was reading the covering letter for a job application I would realise that that so called "grammatically correct" letter was probably written by somebody else anyway! My best employee, the guy who contributes more to my company than any other (including myself!) cant string 4 words together! so what! I cant imagine nowt so boring that to have a long conversation with somebody who acts like he has "the Shorter Oxford Dictionary" shoved up his ass! Iv'e just finished reading a book by a guy called Clarkson, this guy is passionate about cars and machines and he appears on UK TV all the time. The book has been composed in the same fashion as the man speaks on TV, with passion. So I understand it, it's great! If the book had been edited to make it grammatically correct I would have thrown it aside after the first chapter! American English? so its a bastardised version of the real thing! Colour vs color, who really cares. Your average Englishman doesn't I am sure, Way back in the "Dark ages" of the last century The way you spoke or wrote your language determined your class. In UK at least I believe the reaction to the way we are "Changing " the language is mostly by those who use it to define their "Middle English" status? What a load of bull! Status is now defined by money and nowt else. Will someone out there talk "Nakamichi!" please? after all this is "Naktalk" isn't it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 6 23:20:38 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:20:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic post about off topic posts In-Reply-To: <200501060827.j068RAHZ007828@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501060827.j068RAHZ007828@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <31B5A111-6031-11D9-A7CE-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Hi all, I've really enjoyed the SUV/grammar/language discussion. And I totally agree that it doesn't really really belong on Naktalk (that's why I've been trying, with mixed results, to hold back). So I'd like to again invite anyone who's interested to carry on the conversation on the Naktalkers Music and Politics blog. If you're interested, contact me off-list and I'll give you the info. best, Fred From valman13440 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 23:46:28 2005 From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:46:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X and setting recording levels,what a pain,HELP! Message-ID: <20050106224628.4903.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set correctly i always get that one note that sends the recording meters off the deep end +10 (Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. My decks are a Akai GX-8 and Nak ZX-7. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 02:07:18 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:07:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kodaly lives!! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:50:26 +0100 > >Hey, >you have all of those Naks...? :-) >A "nice" story... sometimes I feel to get somehting language-lessons from >you all... bt this story is far too complicated to my >English-capabilities... > >Sorry for being so stupid in English, sometimes I really have to jump some >messages, simply because I do not understand what is that all about. (My >favorite is when formally one(1!) sentence is the all 6-row message, >sometimes I simply do not know where a real sentence begins and where it >ends.) > >Nice to read all your (understandable) messages, but please, do not take >anything TOO seriously, as nobody wants to hurt you, via e-mail it is >nearly >impossible... > >Kind regards, >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bart honhoff" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:50 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! > > > > Hi, > > > > As I took my CR7 out of the garage and went with it into town, I had to >hit > > that BX-2, who was planning to put his TDK-D C120 in front of me store! > > > > Being a genuine 'That's MX-90' Cassette I normally refer to those >TDK-D's >as > > P*** in the CR-4. If they want to play a cassette properly why do they >use >a > > BX125 and not an ZX670? I opened my 600, gave him a smash with my 550 >and > > TriTracered my 700 into his TDK-ED. > > > > Luckely there was a Cassette-recorder 1, who stumbled over my 582 and my >580. > > > > I put my 202 in reverse and ran off on my 480Z, > > > > 480 > > > > bart, PS I do own all these Nakamichi's. > > > > Quoting Colin Marsh : > > > > > > > > First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come >from > > > the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! >so >I > > > know my place guv! > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com Fri Jan 7 02:14:50 2005 From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:14:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050105152354.01bb3f28@psulias.psu.edu> References: <002101c4f340$7a64f630$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <002f01c4f35f$2ba828e0$2ce34c51@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050105152354.01bb3f28@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <41DDE28A.6@shelbyvilledesign.com> Derrick, I feel the same way about my 4000q and 200 turbo quattro. Nothing like the look on the kids face when a guy in his mid 40's driving a four door family car launches hard and shifts at 8000 rpm a few times....funny I get that same look from the idiots in blazers and broncos floundering in what little snow we get around here, while I smile and drive away with 4 rooster tails of snow coming out from under the car.... erie this message contains no obligatory Nakamichi reference, except the preceeding disclaimer.....so I guess it has a smidge of content... Derrick Beckner wrote: > I have two AWD Subarus, a Forester and a WRX. I will never buy > another every day car that is not AWD. In wet or snowy weather there > is simply no comparison between these and a FWD car. The Forester is > more like a Station Wagon in size and insurance. :) Handles very > well. As for the WRX, let's just say you haven't experienced life > until you've dropped the clutch of a turbo/AWD car at 6000 or so rpm! > I can also take it anywhere a Jeep can go as long as high ground > clearance isn't required. I don't know how people can fight with a > Expiditon or Pick up truck everyday. Those things are like driving > tanks. > > I think the biggest problem on the road today are cell phones. There > is absolutely no reason for a person to be talking on the phone while > driving. None. Yet I see probably 1 of 5 people driving on the > phone. I see people on the phone as they are backing out of their > driveway! What the hell? > > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 22:39:38 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:39:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Message-ID: When I was on honeymoon with wife in bayswater..(Paddington) I engaged in hot sex.... with my Nakamichi playing in the backround! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:55 -0000 > > >First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from >the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I >know my place guv! > >Nearly every posting in the last week as been on the subjects of Grammar or >SUV's and the No. of Dragons you own!. What is going on? lets finish with >all this crap! > >First lets look at SUV's. 4 + 4's and the like. come on you guys, you all >know the ONLY reason why you drive them and it's nowt to do with guzzling >petrol, running bulls over with you bars, moving heavy goods, protecting >yourself from other road users, squashing little children and old ladies or >choking the world with your pollution. My grandmother told me that the >only reason men drive these monsters is all about the size of their private >bits!, you know, Man driving big powerful car = little willie. Woman >driving big powerful car = her man has a little willie. I am told that's >why there are so many SUV's in the US! Yes its true! I once knew a >lovely >old lady. who spent her "working" life entertaining gentlemen in Bayswater, >London. What she told me about her observations of international willie >sizes over the years backs this up! Oh, I drive a 4 + 4, I tow boats the >with it that my car wont. >The No. of Dragons and CR7's in your spare bedroom possibly has something >to >do with Penis size as well? Who knows, they say there is nowt as strange as >the relationship between men and their machines! Enough said I think. >Grammar? What the hell are you guys about! This is the 21st century, >things are changing, If I was reading the covering letter for a job >application I would realise that that so called "grammatically correct" >letter was probably written by somebody else anyway! My best employee, the >guy who contributes more to my company than any other (including myself!) >cant string 4 words together! so what! I cant imagine nowt so boring that >to have a long conversation with somebody who acts like he has "the Shorter >Oxford Dictionary" shoved up his ass! Iv'e just finished reading a book by >a guy called Clarkson, this guy is passionate about cars and machines and >he >appears on UK TV all the time. The book has been composed in the same >fashion as the man speaks on TV, with passion. So I understand it, it's >great! If the book had been edited to make it grammatically correct I >would >have thrown it aside after the first chapter! American English? so its a >bastardised version of the real thing! Colour vs color, who really cares. >Your average Englishman doesn't I am sure, Way back in the "Dark ages" of >the last century The way you spoke or wrote your language determined your >class. In UK at least I believe the reaction to the way we are "Changing " >the language is mostly by those who use it to define their "Middle English" >status? What a load of bull! Status is now defined by money and nowt >else. > >Will someone out there talk "Nakamichi!" please? after all this is >"Naktalk" isn't it? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 22:44:42 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:44:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: ED!!! That is what we New Yorkers call out ghetto mobiles....".watch out A-hole I'm gonna pass you now!!!" And I do not give a Sh-- if you are driving that new Caddy...make way!!!!!!!! Long live Mad Max!!!!!!!!! N >From: Edward Noyes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: timbarrett at cox.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:33:47 -0500 > >Really the best car to have in NYC is a wreck. When I was in my early >adulthood, I had a beat up 20 year old Chevy Nova. I think people generally >realized that I didn't much care if it took on another good dent or not! It >was also liberating for me to drive pretty much care free in that urban >jungle. > >Ed > > > >Tim Barrett wrote: > >>Neil - >> >>I'm not a New Yorker, but my wife was until I married her and 'made' her >>move down to VA. During my episodes of driving in Manhattan I noticed a >>definite pecking order to vehicles and traffic rights on the streets. >>Dump trucks and vehicles of their ilk were definitely the top of the heap. >> They did whatever they wanted to do and everyone else seemed to >>accomodate them. Next were big delivery trucks, the bigger the better, >>and then there was this whole battle going on between cabs and buses and >>limos. People in normal cars were at the mercy of all of the above, but >>even with the normal cars there were levels of peckmanship. >> >>Since I didn't live there, but just had to deal with it sporadically, I >>found it all very amusing. At the time I owned a Jeep Cherokee and a >>Saturn. Other drivers gave me greater latitude and more deference when I >>was driving the Jeep, and in the Saturn I just sort of disappeared into >>the throng and was ignored entirely. >> >>The most fun I ever had on the streets of Manhattan was when we moved my >>wife out. I rented a 24 foot U-Haul truck and drove it from 24th and 2nd >>Ave out of the city and down to VA, and boy it was refreshing to have >>everyone get out of my way. People seemed to anticipate what I was about >>to do and just move out of the way. No honking horns or dirty looks or >>anything. >> >>That may be one of the reasons why someone would want an intimidating >>vehicle on the streets of NY. >> >>But where can they park it? >> >>Tim >> >>neil lipes wrote: >> >>>You should read the book published by PublicAffairs (NYC) (the exact name >>>escapes me at this time of the morning) concerning the hazards these >>>"monsters" possess, since you own an SUV I doubt you will have an >>>unbiased view, but anyone with intellectual honesty can only reach one >>>conclusion after reading the book. And oh I have been told some of these >>>"monster" vehicles have Nakamichi radios on board..(a neccessary thing to >>>have as your vehicle crushes the vehicle it has just hit...we can't have >>>the sound of crumpling steel intrude on our morning commute!) >>> >>>N >>> >>>>From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >>>>cassette? >>>>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:53 -0500 >>>> >>>>From: "neil lipes" >>>> >>>> > Yes....... sorry fellows, but the amount of testosterone on NYC >>>>streets is >>>> > overwhelming!.....and sorry but, what is with all the females that >>>>are 5 >>>> > foot tall behind the wheels of these monsters??? I guess the >>>>operative >>>>word >>>> > is a INTIMIDATE! Those vehicles are a menace no two ways about it. >>>> >>>>Some of the drivers of any vehicle (not just SUV's) are the menace, not >>>>the >>>>vehicles. Do most of the people who drive SUV's actually "need" them? >>>>Probably not, but the same argument could be made of our Nakamichi tape >>>>decks too - we could get by quite well with a CD recorder, but we enjoy >>>>our >>>>Naks. Same thing with vehicles and many other material things. >>>> >>>>But I ask again if this is the Naktalk list or if I've been transferred >>>>to >>>>another... >>>>-- >>>>Geoffrey Reynolds >>>>Land Rover Discovery and Nak CR-7A Owner >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>>FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 22:57:25 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:57:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? In-Reply-To: <003a01c4f37d$41c2bf00$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: What exactly is that topic? >From: greynolds at newsguy.com >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:21:16 -0500 > >From: "Nelson" > > > Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other 4-wheel > > drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of > > gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and >without > > which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism >is >of > > people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't >need > > such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip >to > > the shopping mall. > >And thus the SUV isn't the monster - the owner is :). > > > The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel drive > > monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the > > pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a >simple > > saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit >by > > vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs >on > > the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. > >I've heard this argument before, but I've seen enough arguments on both >sides on this issue, that I'm not really convinced one way or another. >Once >you get past a certain speed, I suspect that the presence of a bullbar is >moot. > >I use my SUV primarily for hauling stuff that won't fit in my Honda and for >real recreational offroad use. I use my Honda to commute to work, etc. >Hopefully that is acceptable with the majority of the list members ;). >Otherwise feel free to call me a monster, take my CR-3A and CR-7A away from >me, and banish me from this list... > >Can we get back to the topic of this list??? >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From compu_dude at earthlink.net Fri Jan 7 07:04:03 2005 From: compu_dude at earthlink.net (Compudude) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:04:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer References: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye><41DDF0E5.9080905@cox.net> <1105069908.41de0754be714@www.richardhess.com> Message-ID: <00f201c4f47f$24ada440$2402a8c0@WorkGroup> I used my friend in Istanbul to buy SP-7 headphones from him. He is an honest seller and has rare and interesting items, but they are expensive though. I would definitely buy the T100 from him, if I had the money.. _Fuad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer > I used a Western Union money transfer and he got his money, I got my goods. > There was a hassle on my part getting WU to work on my computer, but it finally > happened and he was patient. It's not cheap, but I ordered from him twice and > was pleased. He even included a nice post card of Turkey in one of the > shipments. > -- > > Richard L. Hess > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > Quoting Tim Barrett : > > > As much as I'd love to have a T-100, his minimum bid is out of my > > budget. I'll watch the progress on his stuff, though. > > > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Hi Tim, > > > > > > I bid on and won some Telarc and Sheffield Reference tapes from him > > > (oldiesrecs at ttnet.net.tr). It was not wise, but I sent him cash by > > > Registered Mail to avoid the hastle of a wire transfer. Long story > > > short.....he apparently never recieved the money ($120), and I never > > > received my tapes. I'm not blaming him, because I have no way of > > > knowing where the cash ended up, but I would suggest anyone bidding on > > > his items not send cash. > > > > > > Robert Kent > > > > > > Tim wrote: > > > > > > There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, > > > including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for > > > the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete > > > Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment > > > fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing > > > with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 22:48:08 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:48:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? Message-ID: Or............playing Funeral March For A Marionette!.........Alfred Hitchcock where are you?...... N >From: "wme drewes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:24:42 +0200 > >I take it those are Nakamichi cell phones? (just kidding!) In this >country(South Africa) by law no cell phones may be activated in a moving >car!This applies whether it is built-in ,ear piece type or connected >through the Nak radio! Nakamichi Nakamichi NAKAMICHI !!! We also dont have >NAKAMICHI cars here so I cant join in the discussion--I know absolutely >nothing about them! >Walter > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Derrick Beckner" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank >cassette? > > > > I have two AWD Subarus, a Forester and a WRX. I will never buy another > > every day car that is not AWD. In wet or snowy weather there is simply >no > > comparison between these and a FWD car. The Forester is more like a > > Station Wagon in size and insurance. :) Handles very well. As for the > > WRX, let's just say you haven't experienced life until you've dropped >the > > clutch of a turbo/AWD car at 6000 or so rpm! I can also take it >anywhere >a > > Jeep can go as long as high ground clearance isn't required. I don't >know > > how people can fight with a Expiditon or Pick up truck everyday. Those > > things are like driving tanks. > > > > I think the biggest problem on the road today are cell phones. There is > > absolutely no reason for a person to be talking on the phone while > > driving. None. Yet I see probably 1 of 5 people driving on the phone. >I > > see people on the phone as they are backing out of their driveway! What > > the hell? > > > > > > > > At 02:45 PM 1/5/2005, you wrote: > > >Interesting view. I think the objection to SUV's, and may other >4-wheel > > >drive monsters (Shogan, et al), is that they are grossly wasteful of > > >gasoline, a resource that is becoming more precious by the day and >without > > >which Western society as we know it would cease. Thus, the criticism >is >of > > >people who drive these vehicles without any mitigation (i.e. they don't >need > > >such a specialist vehicle) and waste gallons of fuel for a 2 mile trip >to > > >the shopping mall. The other is that if a SUV (or any big four-wheel >drive > > >monster) and especially one with bullbars, should hit a pedestrian, the > > >pedestrian is many times more likely to die than if he were hit by a >simple > > >saloon car driving at the same speed. And since most pedestrians hit >by > > >vehicles tend to be children, we might reduce child (and adult) FATACs >on > > >the roads making these off-road vehicles drive only off the road. > > > > > >Thus, it ought to be compulsory to fit all SUVs and their like with > > >Nakamichi cassette machines with an inbuilt tape recording of >Rubenstein > > >playing Chopin's "The Funeral March" !!! (Phew! Still on topic!!) > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From sie28873 at lycos.com Fri Jan 7 08:32:21 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:32:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips Message-ID: <20050107073221.DC216C611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it has a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful these chips can still be purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. Anyone happen chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for them? Robert -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 7 10:06:53 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:06:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Got my "new" CR-7A! In-Reply-To: <03a301c4f454$8ad06580$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> from "greynolds@newsguy.com" at Jan 06, 2005 08:02:20 PM Message-ID: <20050107090653.637ABF0E2@smtp.amb.org> greynolds at newsguy.com writes: > Also, from list member Ron: > > The equalization upgrade was incorporated after > > S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. > > CR-7 after serial # A130-11000 is supposedly the prefered serial number > range. My CR-7A is an early model S/N A130-01313. How is the "preferred" serial range different from what I have? Is the Eq upgrade simply a change from IEC1 to IEC2? If so then wouldn't that make it incompatible with my Dragon (which is also IEC1)? -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From salihdemir2 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 11:13:39 2005 From: salihdemir2 at yahoo.com (Salih Demir) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:13:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer In-Reply-To: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20050107101339.92111.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Yep, this guy has collected many reference items from a Nakamichi service closed in Germany. Some firends of mine in Istanbul also got many items from him and some of you in the board as well. I do believe, as long as he gets the money, he'll send the item to you; isnt it fair! Cheers, Tayfur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 7 11:34:25 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:34:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recording deck Message-ID: The CR-7 and ZX-9 are top of their respective lines (ZX/CR). and are awesome sounding and highly desirable. The difference between the top of the line Naks is not great - in fact it's small - they all are power users tools and sound excellent. I have a perfect condition 682ZX - the top of the 680 line. It never ceases to amaze me with it's performance in every respect. Good luck with your future investment. Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 01/05/05 06:31PM >>> Seems most people agree the CR7 is the best recording Nak, but are somewhat finicky and early models have some issues. The ZX7/ZX9 look like a lot of fun to play with. Are they reliable? Do they record as well as the CR7? The 680 series seem to be a lot of "purists" favorite decks. The 700/1000 with ABLE seem to be nearly impossible to maintain at this point. Where does the Dragon stand in recording competency? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 13:01:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:01:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modifications In-Reply-To: <000b01c4f45b$654e0630$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <008601c4f4b0$a6c709e0$76c74c51@oemcomputer> To be honest, I don't know what the mod is that Transtec used to do but it's not the bog standard CR7 Eq mod but something their Nak guru Tom van der Hoff created for any Nakamichi. All I know is that it supposed to give extra headroom without damaging any other part of the spectrum, as it were. I think I remember that Ron felt the modification looked like it made the the bias adjustment finer. The outcome of the modification on a ZX-9 or ZX-7 is that the Bias setting is only @ 0 but +1. I said before I think, I've not heard an unmodified ZX-9 but I have heard a factory spec CR7. To my ear, my modified ZX-9 was much closer to the source than the unmodified CR-7 although it is generally reckoned that a CR7 post 08677 (and probably pre-) is the more accurate between factory spec CR7 and ZX-9, if only because the former has a much shorter signal path. I have been told the Transtec modification took the CR7, or any Nak to which it was done, up to a new level clarity and accuracy. Sadly, however, Transtec won't do any work on Nak's anymore. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 07 January 2005 01:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modifications Hi Ti, Gra', My CR-7A (used for the SF Session Marathon Master Tape) was produced the 4th Qtr of 1986 (SN 08102)....as much as two years after yours. It has the vent perforations on the top as you mentioned, but none on the side. From an earlier series of posts, I surmised that an EQ modification (IEC1 to IEC2) can be done on decks with serial numbers before approximately 08677. I had ESL do their own equalization modification when they overhauled my unit. They replaced the orange caps and installed the gear reel hub drive at the same time. Is the 'Transtec Mod." an EQ mod? Fuad has some good information on the circuit differences between an early and late CR-7, but I didn't save them since mine had already been modified. Robert Kent Ti Kan wrote: Interesting, what is entailed in this mod? Also, I just noticed by looking at the photos from the San Francisco bay area marathon tape meet, that the CR-7A we used to record the master has a vented opening "grille" at the left rear of top cover. Mine does not have such a vent, however it has venting on the left side. Was this a running change in production? My CR-7A is an early example, build date is first quarter of 1985, but it looks pristine. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik Ti Ask Wouter very nicely if he'll show you a picture of the internals of his CR-7 and consider copying the "Transtec" modification. You'll be very surprised at how good it is ... Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 13:01:45 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:01:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ebayer Advice. In-Reply-To: <001501c4f45c$b28f4980$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <008b01c4f4b0$a8bd0d80$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Wearing my Banker's hat, I recommend to everyone - NEVER send cash and be wary of anyone who won't accept checks/cheques or banker's drafts because it means they don't have a bank account. And if they don't have one that may also indicate they are bankrupt, with financial problems (i.e. not to be trusted with your money!), or if they do have a bank account but don't want to use it, quite possibly trying to clean money, which also means "not to be trusted". Most of all, trust your instinct when dealing with people on eBay. If it doesn't "feel" right, it probably isn't. Leave it and wait for another to come along later. If that sounds unscientific, think how often you;ve heard about a "Policeman's nose" when they act on things because they develop a sense of something not being right? Well, it's the same with my bank's fraud department - they frequently catch out fraud by their acute 6th sense that tells them something which, on the face of it looks innocent, is not. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 07 January 2005 02:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer Hi Tim, I bid on and won some Telarc and Sheffield Reference tapes from him (oldiesrecs at ttnet.net.tr). It was not wise, but I sent him cash by Registered Mail to avoid the hastle of a wire transfer. Long story short.....he apparently never recieved the money ($120), and I never received my tapes. I'm not blaming him, because I have no way of knowing where the cash ended up, but I would suggest anyone bidding on his items not send cash. Robert Kent Tim wrote: There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 13:01:50 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:01:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips In-Reply-To: <20050107073221.DC216C611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <009501c4f4b0$ab85a360$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Email B&W - they may be able to help. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Robert Sie > Sent: 07 January 2005 07:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips > > > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it > has a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful > these chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for them? > Robert > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/d efault.asp?SRC=lycos10 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 14:10:28 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:10:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Randall - Mono piano In-Reply-To: <008e01c4f279$370733c0$541a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <00a701c4f4ba$41ef1b20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> The very best piano recording I have on vinyl is a 1962 pressing by RCA Victor of Chopin Sonatas played by Rubenstein. (RB-16282) The weight of the tonal reproduction of the piano (I think it's a Steinbeck - its too heavy to be a Yamaha!) is so good I really can close my eyes and believe the instrument is playing in my room ... that is when played through a Sugden A21 and out through a pair of Yamaha NS1000Ms. Perfect playing, perfect recording. There are two others, much older, that are also very good except they waver a little at time. Both are really heavy "His Masters Voice" records (as thick and heavy as Shellac!) One of them (ALP1028) is Rubenstein again, this time doing Chopin Polonaises, while the other (BLP1014) is Horowitz playing Beethoven Sonata No 14 and Mozart Sonata No 12. The latter is technically better than the Rubenstein as there is much less wavering - it's closer to the quality of the later RCA Victor record. I have other more "modern" mono and stereo piano recordings but only a few come close in terms of getting the tonal reproduction of the piano right and in the room, often relying on the acoustic of a "concert hall" to give a sense of realism. Having said that, I don't think I have any piano recordings on CD that sound as good as any of the vinyl. All the CD's, especially the modern digital recordings, seem to put a metal cover on the felt hammers of the piano, making them sound too harsh and devoid of sufficient colour to make them sound realistic. It is such that I sometimes have difficulty telling an electric piano apart from an acoustic one on CD! And trying to tell a Steinbeck from a Yamaha ... just about impossible. That's not just using my current CD player, a Jupiter 2000 (noted for its "analogue" sound) but all CD players I have had the pleasure of listening to, including a amazingly expensive 3 box Wadia. Joke aside, a British comedian was just about to play some jazz on a piano during a show a few months back. He played a note and stopped to say: "Steinbeck have asked me to announce that this piano is .... a Yamaha." He then curled his lip with disgust and proceeded to play in the style of Jamie Callum (who'd only been playing the same instrument a few moments before) and said, "So, you think playing like that's clever?" he then proceeded to offer some smooth, more classical jazz, totally outclassing Callum. Who was it? Only Bruce Forthsyte!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of JVB/RHG > Sent: 04 January 2005 16:17 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Alex > > > And who is the artist and what is the music??? > > Randall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelson" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:33 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" > stereo > > vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. > > > > Gra' > > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 16:00:28 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:00:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Randall - Mono piano In-Reply-To: <00a701c4f4ba$41ef1b20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> References: <008e01c4f279$370733c0$541a0cd0@r7g1f8> <00a701c4f4ba$41ef1b20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <518b7b1050107070042e4dc4c@mail.gmail.com> Steinbeck? You mean Steinway ? Were you having a Beck's while writing this -:) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:10:28 -0000, Nelson wrote: > The very best piano recording I have on vinyl is a 1962 pressing by RCA > Victor of Chopin Sonatas played by Rubenstein. (RB-16282) The weight of > the tonal reproduction of the piano (I think it's a Steinbeck - its too > heavy to be a Yamaha!) is so good I really can close my eyes and believe the > instrument is playing in my room ... that is when played through a Sugden > A21 and out through a pair of Yamaha NS1000Ms. Perfect playing, perfect > recording. > > There are two others, much older, that are also very good except they waver > a little at time. Both are really heavy "His Masters Voice" records (as > thick and heavy as Shellac!) One of them (ALP1028) is Rubenstein again, > this time doing Chopin Polonaises, while the other (BLP1014) is Horowitz > playing Beethoven Sonata No 14 and Mozart Sonata No 12. The latter is > technically better than the Rubenstein as there is much less wavering - it's > closer to the quality of the later RCA Victor record. I have other more > "modern" mono and stereo piano recordings but only a few come close in terms > of getting the tonal reproduction of the piano right and in the room, often > relying on the acoustic of a "concert hall" to give a sense of realism. > > Having said that, I don't think I have any piano recordings on CD that sound > as good as any of the vinyl. All the CD's, especially the modern digital > recordings, seem to put a metal cover on the felt hammers of the piano, > making them sound too harsh and devoid of sufficient colour to make them > sound realistic. It is such that I sometimes have difficulty telling an > electric piano apart from an acoustic one on CD! And trying to tell a > Steinbeck from a Yamaha ... just about impossible. That's not just using my > current CD player, a Jupiter 2000 (noted for its "analogue" sound) but all > CD players I have had the pleasure of listening to, including a amazingly > expensive 3 box Wadia. > > Joke aside, a British comedian was just about to play some jazz on a piano > during a show a few months back. He played a note and stopped to say: > > "Steinbeck have asked me to announce that this piano is .... a Yamaha." He > then curled his lip with disgust and proceeded to play in the style of Jamie > Callum (who'd only been playing the same instrument a few moments before) > and said, "So, you think playing like that's clever?" he then proceeded to > offer some smooth, more classical jazz, totally outclassing Callum. Who was > it? Only Bruce Forthsyte!! > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of JVB/RHG > > Sent: 04 January 2005 16:17 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > > > And who is the artist and what is the music??? > > > > Randall > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nelson" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:33 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > > > > I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" > > stereo > > > vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 16:19:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:19:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Randall - Mono piano In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050107070042e4dc4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b501c4f4cc$382b8b20$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Almost right!!! It's a Freudian slip because I desperately WANTED a Beck !!! (Beggar the Bud - gimme a Beck!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: 07 January 2005 15:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Randall - Mono piano > > > Steinbeck? You mean Steinway ? Were you having a Beck's while > writing this -:) > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:10:28 -0000, Nelson > wrote: > > The very best piano recording I have on vinyl is a 1962 pressing by RCA > > Victor of Chopin Sonatas played by Rubenstein. (RB-16282) > The weight of > > the tonal reproduction of the piano (I think it's a Steinbeck - its too > > heavy to be a Yamaha!) is so good I really can close my eyes > and believe the > > instrument is playing in my room ... that is when played > through a Sugden > > A21 and out through a pair of Yamaha NS1000Ms. Perfect playing, perfect > > recording. > > > > There are two others, much older, that are also very good > except they waver > > a little at time. Both are really heavy "His Masters Voice" records (as > > thick and heavy as Shellac!) One of them (ALP1028) is Rubenstein again, > > this time doing Chopin Polonaises, while the other (BLP1014) is Horowitz > > playing Beethoven Sonata No 14 and Mozart Sonata No 12. The latter is > > technically better than the Rubenstein as there is much less > wavering - it's > > closer to the quality of the later RCA Victor record. I have other more > > "modern" mono and stereo piano recordings but only a few come > close in terms > > of getting the tonal reproduction of the piano right and in the > room, often > > relying on the acoustic of a "concert hall" to give a sense of realism. > > > > Having said that, I don't think I have any piano recordings on > CD that sound > > as good as any of the vinyl. All the CD's, especially the > modern digital > > recordings, seem to put a metal cover on the felt hammers of the piano, > > making them sound too harsh and devoid of sufficient colour to make them > > sound realistic. It is such that I sometimes have difficulty telling an > > electric piano apart from an acoustic one on CD! And trying to tell a > > Steinbeck from a Yamaha ... just about impossible. That's not > just using my > > current CD player, a Jupiter 2000 (noted for its "analogue" > sound) but all > > CD players I have had the pleasure of listening to, including a > amazingly > > expensive 3 box Wadia. > > > > Joke aside, a British comedian was just about to play some jazz > on a piano > > during a show a few months back. He played a note and stopped to say: > > > > "Steinbeck have asked me to announce that this piano is .... a > Yamaha." He > > then curled his lip with disgust and proceeded to play in the > style of Jamie > > Callum (who'd only been playing the same instrument a few > moments before) > > and said, "So, you think playing like that's clever?" he then > proceeded to > > offer some smooth, more classical jazz, totally outclassing > Callum. Who was > > it? Only Bruce Forthsyte!! > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of JVB/RHG > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 16:17 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > > > > > > And who is the artist and what is the music??? > > > > > > Randall > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Nelson" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:33 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex > > > > > > > > > > I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" > > > stereo > > > > vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 16:43:29 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:43:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment Message-ID: <001201c4f4cf$a66a79e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Valman, I am not a tech, but I can tell you that the guys at ESL are not fond of TDK SA-X because it has odd formulation characteristics. (Perhaps if Jeff is listening in he could throw out a brief description of the problem). They much prefer to adjust the decks they work on to a different tape such as XLII-S. I happen to use both tapes, and on the three decks they have re-built for me so far, they adjusted to XLII-S. However, when I use SA-X I get very good results, and have no trouble setting my recording levels for consistent results. I do virtually all of my recording on my CR-7 which has the advantage of automatic calibration for playback head azimuth, bias current calibration, and level calibration for each channel. Robert Kent Valman wrote: Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set correctly i always get that one note that sends the recording meters off the deep end +10 (Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. My decks are a Akai GX-8 and Nak ZX-7. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 16:57:02 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:57:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment In-Reply-To: <001201c4f4cf$a66a79e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20050107155702.68925.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob TDK SA-X is bit strange when you adjust bias - If your set the bias a bit more than corret level - you get a very bad recording ( with very poor overload margin around 0 Db-)while MAXEL XL IIS requires underbias but behaves well with signal overloads. I had been careful when trying to set bias for TDk SA -X. TDK SA is a nice tape in most of the ways and MAxel XLII as well. kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Valman, I am not a tech, but I can tell you that the guys at ESL are not fond of TDK SA-X because it has odd formulation characteristics. (Perhaps if Jeff is listening in he could throw out a brief description of the problem). They much prefer to adjust the decks they work on to a different tape such as XLII-S. I happen to use both tapes, and on the three decks they have re-built for me so far, they adjusted to XLII-S. However, when I use SA-X I get very good results, and have no trouble setting my recording levels for consistent results. I do virtually all of my recording on my CR-7 which has the advantage of automatic calibration for playback head azimuth, bias current calibration, and level calibration for each channel. Robert Kent Valman wrote: Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set correctly i always get that one note that sends the recording meters off the deep end +10 (Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. My decks are a Akai GX-8 and Nak ZX-7. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 7 16:36:45 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:36:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment In-Reply-To: <001201c4f4cf$a66a79e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <00c901c4f4ce$b17cc140$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Interesting. Come to think of it, not only do I find I have to re-adjust the azimuth between Side A and B when I use European TDK SA , I sometimes have to slightly change the Bias settings, too. Not noticed that with my EMTEC/BASF Chrome Super tapes. (That's using the ZX-9, even AFTER it's been to B&W for a full service.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 07 January 2005 15:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment Hi Valman, I am not a tech, but I can tell you that the guys at ESL are not fond of TDK SA-X because it has odd formulation characteristics. (Perhaps if Jeff is listening in he could throw out a brief description of the problem). They much prefer to adjust the decks they work on to a different tape such as XLII-S. I happen to use both tapes, and on the three decks they have re-built for me so far, they adjusted to XLII-S. However, when I use SA-X I get very good results, and have no trouble setting my recording levels for consistent results. I do virtually all of my recording on my CR-7 which has the advantage of automatic calibration for playback head azimuth, bias current calibration, and level calibration for each channel. Robert Kent Valman wrote: Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set correctly i always get that one note that sends the recording meters off the deep end +10 (Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. My decks are a Akai GX-8 and Nak ZX-7. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 7 18:09:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:09:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment Message-ID: Hi! Me too. works superbly with my Dragon, I have 2 boxes of SA-X-100 minutes assembled in USA, tape made in Japan from the earlier 90ties, and NO problem at all!!! Maybe the lasted ones assembled in Europe...made problems?! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: >Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:43:29 -0800 > >Hi Valman, > >I am not a tech, but I can tell you that the guys at ESL are not fond of >TDK SA-X because it has odd formulation characteristics. (Perhaps if Jeff >is listening in he could throw out a brief description of the problem). >They much prefer to adjust the decks they work on to a different tape such >as XLII-S. I happen to use both tapes, and on the three decks they have >re-built for me so far, they adjusted to XLII-S. However, when I use SA-X >I get very good results, and have no trouble setting my recording levels >for consistent results. I do virtually all of my recording on my CR-7 >which has the advantage of automatic calibration for playback head azimuth, >bias current calibration, and level calibration for each channel. > >Robert Kent > >Valman wrote: >Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the >recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that >SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is >more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S >seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording >levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set >correctly i always get that one note that sends the >recording meters off the deep end +10 >(Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put >them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me >SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying >to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think >or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. My decks are >a Akai GX-8 and Nak ZX-7. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 19:28:33 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:28:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips In-Reply-To: <20050107073221.DC216C611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050107182833.75999.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a MR-1 (basically the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as well. A couple years ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept getting, Oh, it's back ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a price though, $23.01. That was back in May of 2002 when Patty was there. I tried from March to May and then gave up. I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. SJ --- Robert Sie wrote: > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it has > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful these > chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for > them? > Robert > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 20:13:30 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:13:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips In-Reply-To: <20050107182833.75999.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050107191330.50371.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> I had done this micro processor change from a CR 1 to CR 3 or from BX 1 to CR3 - I do remember that the recorder that received is CR 3. Check the Processor as some 3 heads use two processors. Sometimes CR 1 can be a good parts machine not only for gear drive or mode cammotor - even for this Micro Processor parts! wish you luck in this effort kannan Scott Johnson wrote: I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a MR-1 (basically the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as well. A couple years ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept getting, Oh, it's back ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a price though, $23.01. That was back in May of 2002 when Patty was there. I tried from March to May and then gave up. I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. SJ --- Robert Sie wrote: > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it has > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful these > chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for > them? > Robert > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 21:02:21 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:02:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips In-Reply-To: <20050107191330.50371.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050107200221.85137.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Sounds good, but, I don't believe the Dolby chips that Robert needs are the same in the CR-1, CR-2 as the BX-300. The BX-300 uses the TEA0652 and the CR-1, CR-2 uses a bigger chip, I can't remember the number. I guess you can't have everything. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I had done this micro processor change from a CR 1 to CR 3 or from > BX 1 to CR3 - I do remember that the recorder that received is CR > 3. Check the Processor as some 3 heads use two processors. > Sometimes CR 1 can be a good parts machine not only for gear drive > or mode cammotor - even for this Micro Processor parts! > wish you luck in this effort > kannan > > Scott Johnson wrote: > I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a MR-1 (basically > the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as well. A couple > years > ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept getting, Oh, it's back > ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a price though, $23.01. > > That was back in May of 2002 when Patty was there. I tried from > March to May and then gave up. > > I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, > BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. > > SJ > > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it has > > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful these > > chips can still be > > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I > > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. > > > Anyone happen > > chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for > > them? > > Robert > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Doubtful these chips can still be >purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. Anyone happen >chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for them? >Robert > > > From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jan 7 15:12:05 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:12:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re - TDK or Maxell, Who came first with a blank cassette? References: Message-ID: <006501c4f4c2$e1213860$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "neil lipes" > What exactly is that topic? Err, Nakamichi cassette decks perhaps... -- Geoffrey Reynolds From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Jan 7 22:09:21 2005 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:09:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501072108.j07L8ZHY016226@zebra.naks.com> Taking it one step further - a "Billericky" . ref. Ian Dury (and the Blockheads) - blindin' geezer! Mark (Norf lundun) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 07 January 2005 01:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Gathered from Colin's previous postings, perhaps the rhyming slang for Nakamichi should be "dicky", big or small? Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 06 January 2005 18:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Oh Gawd! Neva mind the bleedin' sweaty 350lb pin head, this one's a bleedin' Cockney geeza!! Watcha Colin!! I may now be an 'onorary Scouser these days but I'm originally from Souf of the Riva, mate! The restavya may not understand wot I'm sayin' but Colin wiwl cos 'ees from Lundun. Anyways, this is fonetic spellin' in a Souf Lundun axcent, innit. Now then, me old China. Luv ya postin', mate an' I agree wiv a lot of it. But keep y'blinkin' wig on ' cos we're only 'aving a bit of fun an' ribbin' each uvva! So, wot's Cockney rhymin' slang for Nakamichi? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 06 January 2005 13:11 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Oh, G First I must ask you to excuse my grammar, I am a common man, I come from the East End of London England and my degree is only in engineering! so I know my place guv! Nearly every posting in the last week as been on the subjects of Grammar or SUV's and the No. of Dragons you own!. What is going on? lets finish with all this crap! First lets look at SUV's. 4 + 4's and the like. come on you guys, you all know the ONLY reason why you drive them and it's nowt to do with guzzling petrol, running bulls over with you bars, moving heavy goods, protecting yourself from other road users, squashing little children and old ladies or choking the world with your pollution. My grandmother told me that the only reason men drive these monsters is all about the size of their private bits!, you know, Man driving big powerful car = little willie. Woman driving big powerful car = her man has a little willie. I am told that's why there are so many SUV's in the US! Yes its true! I once knew a lovely old lady. who spent her "working" life entertaining gentlemen in Bayswater, London. What she told me about her observations of international willie sizes over the years backs this up! Oh, I drive a 4 + 4, I tow boats the with it that my car wont. The No. of Dragons and CR7's in your spare bedroom possibly has something to do with Penis size as well? Who knows, they say there is nowt as strange as the relationship between men and their machines! Enough said I think. Grammar? What the hell are you guys about! This is the 21st century, things are changing, If I was reading the covering letter for a job application I would realise that that so called "grammatically correct" letter was probably written by somebody else anyway! My best employee, the guy who contributes more to my company than any other (including myself!) cant string 4 words together! so what! I cant imagine nowt so boring that to have a long conversation with somebody who acts like he has "the Shorter Oxford Dictionary" shoved up his ass! Iv'e just finished reading a book by a guy called Clarkson, this guy is passionate about cars and machines and he appears on UK TV all the time. The book has been composed in the same fashion as the man speaks on TV, with passion. So I understand it, it's great! If the book had been edited to make it grammatically correct I would have thrown it aside after the first chapter! American English? so its a bastardised version of the real thing! Colour vs color, who really cares. Your average Englishman doesn't I am sure, Way back in the "Dark ages" of the last century The way you spoke or wrote your language determined your class. In UK at least I believe the reaction to the way we are "Changing " the language is mostly by those who use it to define their "Middle English" status? What a load of bull! Status is now defined by money and nowt else. Will someone out there talk "Nakamichi!" please? after all this is "Naktalk" isn't it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 8 03:13:24 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:13:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ebayer Advice. In-Reply-To: <008b01c4f4b0$a8bd0d80$76c74c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I totally agree about avoiding any unclear, untraceable sellers or any who attempt dubious claims or promises while expecting payment via untraceable means . Major red flags are any attempt to withold information about critical deck functions or uses a questionable / incorrect photo. With eBay there are bargains to be had with a fair possibility of finding something wrong with what you've bought that the seller "uh, forgot to mention." The same cautions apply as with classified ads where the possibility always exists that it is a fence for stolen goods. That's certainly not to say one can't find good deals and completely honest deals on eBay. I have bought quality items on eBay (and similar sources) and have also received items with obvious, yet unmentioned defects. I hope whoever bought the "Holy Grail" deck several weeks ago got a good deal and a usable or repairable deck for their $2000 bid. Always remain mindful of whether a tape deck can be restored or repaired with sufficient economy (and available parts) both in terms of what a seller claims AND in terms of what you'd expect a deck of x-years old to require even if everything is said to "work great." What "sounds great" to a Kraco / Certron / Yorx audiophile probably will differ markedly from a McIntosh / Nak / B&W audiophile expects so I'd be mindful of an ad's vocabulary (e.g. "big sound" vs. "clear sound" or "it works" vs. "quiet tape transport with reliable playback and record functions). Etc. Etc. It will also be useful to know what, if any, legal rights or protections you would have in dealing with someone in (whatever) foreign country. As is the case with my comments on the "Holy Grail" deck I'm speaking generically of my expectations of a seller not about a specific seller. Best of luck. Bob >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ebayer Advice. >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:01:45 -0000 > >Wearing my Banker's hat, I recommend to everyone - NEVER send cash and be >wary of anyone who won't accept checks/cheques or banker's drafts because >it >means they don't have a bank account. And if they don't have one that may >also indicate they are bankrupt, with financial problems (i.e. not to be >trusted with your money!), or if they do have a bank account but don't want >to use it, quite possibly trying to clean money, which also means "not to >be >trusted". > >Most of all, trust your instinct when dealing with people on eBay. If it >doesn't "feel" right, it probably isn't. Leave it and wait for another to >come along later. If that sounds unscientific, think how often you;ve >heard >about a "Policeman's nose" when they act on things because they develop a >sense of something not being right? Well, it's the same with my bank's >fraud department - they frequently catch out fraud by their acute 6th sense >that tells them something which, on the face of it looks innocent, is not. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >rjkent at comcast.net >Sent: 07 January 2005 02:01 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Turkish Nakamichi Ebayer > > > Hi Tim, > > I bid on and won some Telarc and Sheffield Reference tapes from him >(oldiesrecs at ttnet.net.tr). It was not wise, but I sent him cash by >Registered Mail to avoid the hastle of a wire transfer. Long story >short.....he apparently never recieved the money ($120), and I never >received my tapes. I'm not blaming him, because I have no way of knowing >where the cash ended up, but I would suggest anyone bidding on his items >not >send cash. > > Robert Kent > > Tim wrote: > > There's an Ebay seller in Istanbul advertising some uncommon Nak items, > including a NEW IN BOX T-100 analyzer. He also has a plastic cover for > the 600 series, you 600 owners out there. There are a few complete > Sankyo transports, heads and pinch rollers, and a handful of alignment > fixtures. I suppose you have to be comfortable with the idea of dealing > with an international seller on Ebay, which I have yet to do. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Sat Jan 8 10:14:18 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 01:14:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: <200501071544.j07FinHZ015269@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501071544.j07FinHZ015269@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some time. What are list-members favorite all-time recordings? Not necessarily great performances or performers, but the technically best engineered/recorded tracks. I'm especially interested in titles that are currently available so I could buy them and educate my ears. Looking forward to the responses. Fred BTW, there is a "Steinbeck" piano, but it's made from old outhouse planks and really only sounds good in Oklahoma. Move it to California and it dries up and blows away... ;-) On Jan 7, 2005, at 7:44 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: "Nelson" > Date: January 7, 2005 5:10:28 AM PST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Randall - Mono piano > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > The very best piano recording I have on vinyl is a 1962 pressing by RCA > Victor of Chopin Sonatas played by Rubenstein. (RB-16282) The > weight of > the tonal reproduction of the piano (I think it's a Steinbeck - its too > heavy to be a Yamaha!) is so good I really can close my eyes and > believe the > instrument is playing in my room ... that is when played through a > Sugden > A21 and out through a pair of Yamaha NS1000Ms. Perfect playing, > perfect > recording. > > > > "Steinbeck have asked me to announce that this piano is .... a > Yamaha." He > then curled his lip with disgust and proceeded to play in the style of > Jamie > Callum (who'd only been playing the same instrument a few moments > before) > and said, "So, you think playing like that's clever?" he then > proceeded to > offer some smooth, more classical jazz, totally outclassing Callum. > Who was > it? Only Bruce Forthsyte!! > > Gra' > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of JVB/RHG >> Sent: 04 January 2005 16:17 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Alex >> >> >> And who is the artist and what is the music??? >> >> Randall >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nelson" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:33 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex >> >> >>> I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" >> stereo >>> vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. >>> >>> Gra' >>> "The Internet, a magnificent new technology combining the credibility of anonymous hearsay with the excitement of typing." Jon Stewart -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Read the Pro Audio list archives for that answer, I'm not going to try and summarize here. > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >Yum yum! I'd love to hear that through a nice amp and speakers ... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richarrd L. Hess > > Sent: 05 January 2005 19:08 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Wills ,Dragons CR 7's and such like > > > > > > Bala, a CD is recorded at 44,100 samples per second with 16 bits > > per channel per > > sample. I am recording 24 bits per sample per channel at 88,200 > > samples per > > second: double the sample rate and 50% more bits. 88.2/24 is the usual > > shorthand for identifying this. A CD is 44.1/16 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 9 13:08:55 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:08:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: I have only been a member of this forum for a month or so but following the threads and posts has started me using the format once again. My (Nakamichi) recorders are : a Dragon, currently in my other home in South Africa, a ZX7 currently having a recording fault repaired by Bowers and Wilkins and a BX125e in the UK. I do have other machines made by ReVox Aiwa and Tandburg but I use these with their internal DBX units or an external pair of DBX units. I have never used the DBX units with the Naks. I have a stock of new/old cassettes, Type 2 and type 4 ( all the usual more common makes, TDK, Maxell, Fuji, Sony, and BASF) not out of their packing, and quite a few of the less common Type 2 and 4 tapes including Nakamichi branded TDK stock and the Metal cased examples from the 80s and 90s. I don't really want to use these cassettes if I can help it and I have now an urgency to get some new stocks on my shelfs. I have always used Reel to Reel with ReVox recorders as my preferred recording medium, but with Quantegy now out of production I want to keep my reel tape stocks (about 60)until we see if another manufacturer steps in! I now find that cassette tape in no longer available in the wide ranges it used to be! I have searched the internet and my results show very little choice in the UK? Type 2 stock seems to be TDK SA, CDing 2, Maxell XL11. and type 4 only TDK MA! I did manage to get a few boxes of Quantegy type 2 tapes as well. I am told that Fuji also have a couple of formulations around but I have never liked their tapes! Is it worth bothering with type 1 tapes? Somebody said that the TDK and Maxell tape stocks in the EU are sourced in the EU? and the US stock is sourced in Japan? is this so and is there a difference in the formulations used? In group members opinions what is the best tapes to go for? should I wait to next month when I will be in the US and buy US Stock? The type 4 tapes that I can buy in the UK are as I said TDK MA, I can also get, I think Maxell Type 4 tapes from the same source. The TDKs are about 3 times the cost of the Maxell ( about 1.30 UK pounds). Should I get a stock of these as well? What do you guys think of the Quantegy cassettes? Oh, I record mostly from best quality FM broadcast, but also from LP record if I borrow something outstanding! I don't record CD unless I use DBX, and that is not very often as I prefer the warmth of analogue. I really would appreciate the groups advice on this, Thanks. Please excuse my misuse of the English language and my grammar, I am only a common East End of London Boy and we don't talk proper!. Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 9 15:09:03 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:09:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! In-Reply-To: <200501072108.j07L8ZHY016226@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001901c4f654$c6327da0$f6e24c51@oemcomputer> 'Ere, Mark - I fink you've got i'!! i.e. A Nakamichi = A Nippy Dicky Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 07 January 2005 21:09 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] SUV's! Grammar! What the Hell! Taking it one step further – a “Billericky” . ref. Ian Dury (and the Blockheads) – blindin’ geezer! Mark (Norf lundun) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 9 15:09:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:09:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c4f654$c7ccf3c0$f6e24c51@oemcomputer> Neil said "but with Quantegy now out of production I want to keep my reel tape stocks (about 60)until we see if another manufacturer steps in!" My impression was that it is the wide professional tapes that are out of production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong but as I understand it, there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources still available from other sources. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sun Jan 9 20:26:59 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:26:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: <001e01c4f654$c7ccf3c0$f6e24c51@oemcomputer> References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050109142110.0399c6b0@127.0.0.1> At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >My impression was that it is the wide professional tapes that are out of >production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong but as I understand it, >there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources still available from >other sources. Gra', Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding that there are no professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny in Hong Kong have never gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI from India are the old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and perhaps not as good). Agfa was acquired by BASF, then BASF became EMTEC and died last year AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business and is now questionable Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices and has been gone for a while Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as far as tape is concerned Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of a year ago or so Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty sure they don't make it any more I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more Who did I leave out? As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell tapes seem to be out of production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is available new any more). Cheers? Richard From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 9 22:58:04 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:58:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050109142110.0399c6b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000601c4f696$4bd082e0$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a Reel-to-reel. Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, please switch out the lights. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > > At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > >My impression was that it is the wide professional tapes that are out of > >production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong but as I understand it, > >there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources still available from > >other sources. > > Gra', > > Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding that there are no > professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > > The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny in Hong Kong have never > gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI from India are the > old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and perhaps not as good). > > Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > BASF became EMTEC and died last year > AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business > and is now questionable > Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > and has been gone for a while > Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as far > as tape is concerned > Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of > a year ago or so > Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty sure > they don't make it any more > I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > > Who did I leave out? > > As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell tapes seem to > be out of > production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is available new any more). > > Cheers? > > Richard > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 00:41:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:41:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: Hi Richard! What concerns here in Israel, I can obtain for now Fuji DR-2/100minutes and Z-2/90 minutes cassettes type 2 chrome equivalent. very easy, and at lovely low prices! As R to R do not concern me...I'm happy! I acquired 2 boxes of Z-2/90 minutes entirely made in Japan, by surprise the case/shell/housing is "Welded"...NO screws...Don't understand "WHY"...? for the Top of the Line product...but...that is that!!! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:26:59 -0500 > >At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >>My impression was that it is the wide professional tapes that are out of >>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong but as I understand it, >>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources still available from >>other sources. > >Gra', > >Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding that there are no >professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > >The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny in Hong Kong have never >gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI from India are the >old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and perhaps not as good). > >Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > BASF became EMTEC and died last year >AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business > and is now questionable >Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > and has been gone for a while >Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as far > as tape is concerned >Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of > a year ago or so >Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty sure > they don't make it any more >I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > >Who did I leave out? > >As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell tapes seem to be out of >production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is available new any more). > >Cheers? > >Richard > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 10 07:07:32 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:07:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Message-ID: Too good Fred!! Keyboard from the Sea of Cortez no doubt. Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 01/08/05 11:14AM >>> Hi all, this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some time. What are list-members favorite all-time recordings? Not necessarily great performances or performers, but the technically best engineered/recorded tracks. I'm especially interested in titles that are currently available so I could buy them and educate my ears. Looking forward to the responses. Fred BTW, there is a "Steinbeck" piano, but it's made from old outhouse planks and really only sounds good in Oklahoma. Move it to California and it dries up and blows away... ;-) On Jan 7, 2005, at 7:44 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: "Nelson" > Date: January 7, 2005 5:10:28 AM PST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Randall - Mono piano > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > The very best piano recording I have on vinyl is a 1962 pressing by RCA > Victor of Chopin Sonatas played by Rubenstein. (RB-16282) The > weight of > the tonal reproduction of the piano (I think it's a Steinbeck - its too > heavy to be a Yamaha!) is so good I really can close my eyes and > believe the > instrument is playing in my room ... that is when played through a > Sugden > A21 and out through a pair of Yamaha NS1000Ms. Perfect playing, > perfect > recording. > > > > "Steinbeck have asked me to announce that this piano is .... a > Yamaha." He > then curled his lip with disgust and proceeded to play in the style of > Jamie > Callum (who'd only been playing the same instrument a few moments > before) > and said, "So, you think playing like that's clever?" he then > proceeded to > offer some smooth, more classical jazz, totally outclassing Callum. > Who was > it? Only Bruce Forthsyte!! > > Gra' > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of JVB/RHG >> Sent: 04 January 2005 16:17 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Alex >> >> >> And who is the artist and what is the music??? >> >> Randall >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nelson" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:33 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Alex >> >> >>> I agree. My best piano recording is not on CD and is not a "modern" >> stereo >>> vinyl record but a late 1950s/early 1960s mono record. >>> >>> Gra' >>> "The Internet, a magnificent new technology combining the credibility of anonymous hearsay with the excitement of typing." Jon Stewart The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 9 16:23:16 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:23:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: <001e01c4f654$c7ccf3c0$f6e24c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Little known fact: here in the US........the open reel tape one purchases at Radio Shack was oem'd by Ampex!...so there are some good things to be had at RS! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:09:06 -0000 > >Neil said "but with Quantegy now out of production I want to keep my reel >tape stocks (about 60)until we see if another manufacturer steps in!" My >impression was that it is the wide professional tapes that are out of >production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong but as I understand it, >there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources still available from other >sources. > >Gra' >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 04:14:13 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:14:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Info on obsolete op amp In-Reply-To: <000601c4f696$4bd082e0$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050110031413.30064.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anyone know anything about this op amp, TA 7506M? Its a dual op amp and was made by Toshiba. Bala __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From valman13440 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 04:29:21 2005 From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:29:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? Message-ID: <20050110032921.45010.qmail@web40629.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know why in professional circles and in testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X series.And why were the majority of decks back in the day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the deck they just purchased using that information to sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on these topics..Keith H. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bhonhoff at dds.nl Mon Jan 10 09:42:01 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:42:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105346521.41e23fd995443@webmail.dds.nl> Maybe becoming off-topic again ;-) I prefer a Boesendorfer anytime. Grand piano, larger than 70 inches, that is. (And NO it has nothing to do with seizes of particular bodyparts, like ego, etc) AND: you can hear the difference between a Steinway and Boesendorfer on a Nak 600! (And that is NOT because either one lacks quality in sound) Quoting Mark Hugo : > Too good Fred!! Keyboard from the Sea of Cortez no doubt. > > Marc > > >>> flifton at mac.com 01/08/05 11:14AM >>> > > BTW, there is a "Steinbeck" piano, but it's made from old outhouse > planks and really only sounds good in Oklahoma. Move it to California > and it dries up and blows away... ;-) > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 21:11:45 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:11:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050109142110.0399c6b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20050109201145.99669.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I thought these widths were the more best sellers, since studios seem to be using these types. Why would Quantegy close shop? I bought a few spools of EMTEC 900 tape, and it was really very nice. Very pleasant sounding and quite warm. Now I am really sweating knowing that no one out there makes new stock tapes. Certain doom for all the 14 machines I've got. Bala --- "Richard L. Hess" wrote: > At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > >My impression was that it is the wide professional > tapes that are out of > >production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong but > as I understand it, > >there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources > still available from > >other sources. > > Gra', > > Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding > that there are no > professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > > The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny in > Hong Kong have never > gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI > from India are the > old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and > perhaps not as good). > > Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > BASF became EMTEC and died last year > AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business > and is now questionable > Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > and has been gone for a while > Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as > far > as tape is concerned > Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of > a year ago or so > Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty > sure > they don't make it any more > I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > > Who did I leave out? > > As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell > tapes seem to be out of > production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is > available new any more). > > Cheers? > > Richard > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From bhonhoff at dds.nl Sun Jan 9 22:17:35 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: References: <200501071544.j07FinHZ015269@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <1105305455.41e19f6f941a4@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, In many respects my favourite recordings are: Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works On Record, not CD's. Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on well calibrated Stanton 681 EEE connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the records. Non of my past or current CD players is able to get it right. (By the way, I do own a record of it made on my grumpy NAK 550, now 24 years old and well tempered.) bart By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. Quoting Fred Lifton : > Hi all, > this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some > time. What are list-members favorite all-time recordings? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 03:17:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:17:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: <000601c4f696$4bd082e0$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050110021714.67122.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Well Nelson, The world would miss out on a legacy the day those lights are going to be switched out. By I for one, wont let that happen. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a Reel-to-reel. > > Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, please > switch out the lights. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > > > > > At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > > >My impression was that it is the wide > professional tapes that are out of > > >production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong > but as I understand it, > > >there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources > still available from > > >other sources. > > > > Gra', > > > > Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding > that there are no > > professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > > > > The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny > in Hong Kong have never > > gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI > from India are the > > old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and > perhaps not as good). > > > > Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > > BASF became EMTEC and died last year > > AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > > which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business > > and is now questionable > > Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > > and has been gone for a while > > Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as > far > > as tape is concerned > > Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of > > a year ago or so > > Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty > sure > > they don't make it any more > > I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > > > > Who did I leave out? > > > > As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell > tapes seem to > > be out of > > production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is > available new any more). > > > > Cheers? > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From ti at amb.org Mon Jan 10 11:36:55 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:36:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Info on obsolete op amp In-Reply-To: <20050110031413.30064.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> from "Bala Ganesh Chandra" at Jan 09, 2005 07:14:13 PM Message-ID: <20050110103655.3302917CEF@smtp.amb.org> Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > Does anyone know anything about this op amp, > TA 7506M? Its a dual op amp and was made by Toshiba. According to this page: http://www.tvservice.org/components/CROSSREF.PDF The TA7506M could be crossed to a LM301A, which is a very old design general-purpose opamp. However the LM301A is a single (standard pin-out), not a dual. I guess the accuracy of the cross reference is in question, if you're sure that the TA7506M is a dual. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 11:50:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:50:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: <1105305455.41e19f6f941a4@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: Dear Bart! Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his separate power supply! No cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening pleasure. I had the oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" gear owner!!! After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's again better that on your Thorens table! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: bart honhoff >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > >Hi, > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > >On Record, not CD's. > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on well calibrated Stanton 681 >EEE >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the records. >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get it right. > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my grumpy NAK 550, now 24 >years >old and well tempered.) > >bart > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > Hi all, > > this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some > > time. What are list-members favorite all-time recordings? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 10 12:13:08 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:13:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? Message-ID: Hi Keith, I have come across many people who also had a quick, seemingly considered response that TDK was "the best". When you ask them "which TDK?" or "better in what way?", the eyes sometimes glaze over. If they are specific and say, "well, SA and SA-X" - that's a good start. However, I wonder if they would be as adept at mentioning the Maxell types against which this subjective view was reckoned. I have known many, many sound engineers and techies in my business - you know the guys in black tee shirts, lank hair with pony tails, a bit unkempt, steel-framed glasses - they are a sub-species you know!!! I really enjoy them, they are fascinating. These guys do like TDKs, it's true. I always thought that it's because you could usually get a good cross-section of their range in most places - whereas other brands were not as completely represented. I recall one sound manager of ours, who shall remain anonymous, called Richard Dobbin (heh heh Richard, I'll forward this to you!!) who really liked Sony UCX-S. Good tape, and a ready foil for the SA-X. There's nothing wrong with either though. In the end, I think it was just down to "what they knew" in the way of brand/type and which one hadn't let them down. Cheers, Marc >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/10/05 05:29AM >>> Does anyone know why in professional circles and in testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X series.And why were the majority of decks back in the day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the deck they just purchased using that information to sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on these topics..Keith H. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 12:44:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:44:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? Message-ID: Shalom Mark & Keith! To my knowledge...maybe I'm wrong?, Nakamichi EX - EX/2, SX-SX/2 & ZX were TDK with Nakamichi logo! And of course those Tri-Tracer 700/1000 Mk 2 also and all those 500 600 series were also calibrated ONLY...with TDK brand cassettes. Later models I don't know! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:13:08 +0200 > >Hi Keith, > >I have come across many people who also had a quick, seemingly >considered response that TDK was "the best". When you ask them "which >TDK?" or "better in what way?", the eyes sometimes glaze over. If they >are specific and say, "well, SA and SA-X" - that's a good start. >However, I wonder if they would be as adept at mentioning the Maxell >types against which this subjective view was reckoned. > >I have known many, many sound engineers and techies in my business - >you know the guys in black tee shirts, lank hair with pony tails, a bit >unkempt, steel-framed glasses - they are a sub-species you know!!! I >really enjoy them, they are fascinating. These guys do like TDKs, it's >true. I always thought that it's because you could usually get a good >cross-section of their range in most places - whereas other brands were >not as completely represented. I recall one sound manager of ours, who >shall remain anonymous, called Richard Dobbin (heh heh Richard, I'll >forward this to you!!) who really liked Sony UCX-S. Good tape, and a >ready foil for the SA-X. There's nothing wrong with either though. > >In the end, I think it was just down to "what they knew" in the way of >brand/type and which one hadn't let them down. > >Cheers, > >Marc > > >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/10/05 05:29AM >>> >Does anyone know why in professional circles and in >testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a >better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell >better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the >King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X >series.And why were the majority of decks back in the >day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the >manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did >TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them >tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the >deck they just purchased using that information to >sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering >about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on >these topics..Keith H. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From salihdemir2 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 12:49:00 2005 From: salihdemir2 at yahoo.com (Salih Demir) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:49:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment In-Reply-To: <20050107155702.68925.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050110114900.73077.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, With such misbehaving tapes, I prefer to set the level lower than the reference point. you'll get much better result on high db / overload recordings, with least distortion. Tayfur kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Bob TDK SA-X is bit strange when you adjust bias - If your set the bias a bit more than corret level - you get a very bad recording ( with very poor overload margin around 0 Db-)while MAXEL XL IIS requires underbias but behaves well with signal overloads. I had been careful when trying to set bias for TDk SA -X. TDK SA is a nice tape in most of the ways and MAxel XLII as well. kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Valman, I am not a tech, but I can tell you that the guys at ESL are not fond of TDK SA-X because it has odd formulation characteristics. (Perhaps if Jeff is listening in he could throw out a brief description of the problem). They much prefer to adjust the decks they work on to a different tape such as XLII-S. I happen to use both tapes, and on the three decks they have re-built for me so far, they adjusted to XLII-S. However, when I use SA-X I get very good results, and have no trouble setting my recording levels for consistent results. I do virtually all of my recording on my CR-7 which has the advantage of automatic calibration for playback head azimuth, bias current calibration, and level calibration for each channel. Robert Kent Valman wrote: Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set correctly i always get that one note that sends the recording meters off the deep end +10 (Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. 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Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:13:08 +0200 > >Hi Keith, > >I have come across many people who also had a quick, seemingly >considered response that TDK was "the best". When you ask them "which >TDK?" or "better in what way?", the eyes sometimes glaze over. If they >are specific and say, "well, SA and SA-X" - that's a good start. >However, I wonder if they would be as adept at mentioning the Maxell >types against which this subjective view was reckoned. > >I have known many, many sound engineers and techies in my business - >you know the guys in black tee shirts, lank hair with pony tails, a bit >unkempt, steel-framed glasses - they are a sub-species you know!!! I >really enjoy them, they are fascinating. These guys do like TDKs, it's >true. I always thought that it's because you could usually get a good >cross-section of their range in most places - whereas other brands were >not as completely represented. I recall one sound manager of ours, who >shall remain anonymous, called Richard Dobbin (heh heh Richard, I'll >forward this to you!!) who really liked Sony UCX-S. Good tape, and a >ready foil for the SA-X. There's nothing wrong with either though. > >In the end, I think it was just down to "what they knew" in the way of >brand/type and which one hadn't let them down. > >Cheers, > >Marc > > >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/10/05 05:29AM >>> >Does anyone know why in professional circles and in >testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a >better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell >better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the >King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X >series.And why were the majority of decks back in the >day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the >manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did >TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them >tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the >deck they just purchased using that information to >sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering >about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on >these topics..Keith H. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? 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What would immediately suggest, if you are in the east-end, is to go to KVJ Fairdeal which is your neighbourhood. They are in Whitechapel Road opposite the Aldgate East tube station - if you are looking west up the road (which is a dual carriage way I think), it is on the left. It is a small shop that specialise in blank media of all types. They have a webpage - which is: http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ You can order online with them and they will deliver anywhere in the UK. What is listed on the webpage may be exceeded by certain items they have "lying around" in smaller numbers in the store. You have already identified what is available and it's true, it isn't much. I'd plumb for Sony's CD-it (in the slide box) above TDK's CDingII. You may see Maxell UDII around. It has nothing much to be said for it - the TDK SA is better. However, the Maxell UDI is an unusually good type 1, better than AD, which is tough to find anyway. You might find AR (from TDK). That is an excellent type 1. Whatever Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X you can find, buy them. Another brand which can be found in the UK is BASF. However, usually only Chrome Extra (CE) and occasionally Chrome Super. These are fine tapes, especially the latter. At KVJ, they have English Maxell XLII (Fire Series) - which are excellent. They also have Fuji K2, ZII (Alex Cozac loves them!!) and the first rate type I, FRI-S. K2 predates ZII. They might have some Metal-Zs lying about - ask. It seems they are out of TDK AR - but ask for them - they did have the 100 length in stock. They might also have MA-XG - they were going for UKP2.99. It's ikely that the Maxell metals to which you refer are "Metal CD". These are fine but avoid the 100 and 110 minute versions. Basically, they are Maxell MX in a cheaper shell. Otherwise, they are good. Any English MX-S you can get are excellent, but they are like hens teeth. Best buys to my mind in the UK now would be: Maxell XLII-S, XLII and Metal-CD. If the odd MX (10 year old stock), MX-S, UD-I, or XLI-S were to pop up, I'd snap it up, if the price were sensible. BASF - look out for Chrome Maxima, Reference Maxima TPII and Metal Maxima TPIV. TDK - look for AR, new/old stock SA-X and MA from the far east. And MA-XG of course. Also, try out those Fuji K2s - you'll be surprised!! On your last question - is there a difference in formulations used worldwide? No, I have not found that to be so. English Maxells are identical to the Japanese ones (made at the Maxell Europe plant in Shropshire). TDK tapes made in Luxembourg have demonstrated quality problems though I haven't experienced them because the TDKs we get here are made in Thailand from Japanese materials. Let us know how you go on plundering KVJs stocks!! Cheers, Marc >>> cmmarsh at ntlworld.com 01/09/05 02:08PM >>> I have only been a member of this forum for a month or so but following the threads and posts has started me using the format once again. My (Nakamichi) recorders are : a Dragon, currently in my other home in South Africa, a ZX7 currently having a recording fault repaired by Bowers and Wilkins and a BX125e in the UK. I do have other machines made by ReVox Aiwa and Tandburg but I use these with their internal DBX units or an external pair of DBX units. I have never used the DBX units with the Naks. I have a stock of new/old cassettes, Type 2 and type 4 ( all the usual more common makes, TDK, Maxell, Fuji, Sony, and BASF) not out of their packing, and quite a few of the less common Type 2 and 4 tapes including Nakamichi branded TDK stock and the Metal cased examples from the 80s and 90s. I don't really want to use these cassettes if I can help it and I have now an urgency to get some new stocks on my shelfs. I have always used Reel to Reel with ReVox recorders as my preferred recording medium, but with Quantegy now out of production I want to keep my reel tape stocks (about 60)until we see if another manufacturer steps in! I now find that cassette tape in no longer available in the wide ranges it used to be! I have searched the internet and my results show very little choice in the UK? Type 2 stock seems to be TDK SA, CDing 2, Maxell XL11. and type 4 only TDK MA! I did manage to get a few boxes of Quantegy type 2 tapes as well. I am told that Fuji also have a couple of formulations around but I have never liked their tapes! Is it worth bothering with type 1 tapes? Somebody said that the TDK and Maxell tape stocks in the EU are sourced in the EU? and the US stock is sourced in Japan? is this so and is there a difference in the formulations used? In group members opinions what is the best tapes to go for? should I wait to next month when I will be in the US and buy US Stock? The type 4 tapes that I can buy in the UK are as I said TDK MA, I can also get, I think Maxell Type 4 tapes from the same source. The TDKs are about 3 times the cost of the Maxell ( about 1.30 UK pounds). Should I get a stock of these as well? What do you guys think of the Quantegy cassettes? Oh, I record mostly from best quality FM broadcast, but also from LP record if I borrow something outstanding! I don't record CD unless I use DBX, and that is not very often as I prefer the warmth of analogue. I really would appreciate the groups advice on this, Thanks. Please excuse my misuse of the English language and my grammar, I am only a common East End of London Boy and we don't talk proper!. Colin The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bhonhoff at dds.nl Mon Jan 10 14:10:47 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:10:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? In-Reply-To: <20050110032921.45010.qmail@web40629.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050110032921.45010.qmail@web40629.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1105362647.41e27ed707a19@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Keith, For what it is worth: In Holland TDK was easier/cheaper to get on every length and more consistent quality That's why the people I know/knew were using TDK to multiply tapes. regards, bart Quoting Keith Hugo : > Does anyone know why in professional circles and in > testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a > better tape than Maxell? From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 13:49:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:49:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? In-Reply-To: <20050110032921.45010.qmail@web40629.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c4f712$e4327300$fb814c51@oemcomputer> I don't think you'd find that Carlos thought TDK was the best tape and he was into the duplicating business. (Got an Emmy for one of his recordings, did you know?) Unfortunately, he's no longer around to explain why; but I do believe this subject was touched on by him and others in the past - worth searching the archives.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Keith Hugo > Sent: 10 January 2005 03:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > Does anyone know why in professional circles and in > testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a > better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell > better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the > King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X > series.And why were the majority of decks back in the > day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the > manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did > TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them > tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the > deck they just purchased using that information to > sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering > about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on > these topics..Keith H. > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 13:50:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:50:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Piano OT In-Reply-To: <1105346521.41e23fd995443@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <002901c4f712$e75fbe20$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Bart Any recordings you'd recommend so I might hear this? Also, do you - or does anyone else - have any recordings of Forte Piano (as different from Piano Forte) that they can recommend? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of bart honhoff > Sent: 10 January 2005 08:42 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > Maybe becoming off-topic again ;-) > > I prefer a Boesendorfer anytime. Grand piano, larger than 70 > inches, that is. > (And NO it has nothing to do with seizes of particular bodyparts, > like ego, etc) > > AND: you can hear the difference between a Steinway and > Boesendorfer on a Nak > 600! (And that is NOT because either one lacks quality in sound) > > Quoting Mark Hugo : > > > Too good Fred!! Keyboard from the Sea of Cortez no doubt. > > > > Marc > > > > >>> flifton at mac.com 01/08/05 11:14AM >>> > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 13:50:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:50:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c4f712$ea0e6360$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Allegedly, the Nakamichi tapes were always cut from the centre of the massive widths from which the thin cassette tapes were taken, with TDK taking the rest up to the edges for their own. Thus, the Nak' tapes were guaranteed to have a better consistency of the magnetic layer. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 10 January 2005 11:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > Shalom Mark & Keith! > > To my knowledge...maybe I'm wrong?, Nakamichi EX - EX/2, SX-SX/2 > & ZX were > TDK with Nakamichi logo! And of course those Tri-Tracer 700/1000 > Mk 2 also > and all those 500 600 series were also calibrated ONLY...with TDK brand > cassettes. Later models I don't know! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Mark Hugo" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:13:08 +0200 > > > >Hi Keith, > > > >I have come across many people who also had a quick, seemingly > >considered response that TDK was "the best". When you ask them "which > >TDK?" or "better in what way?", the eyes sometimes glaze over. If they > >are specific and say, "well, SA and SA-X" - that's a good start. > >However, I wonder if they would be as adept at mentioning the Maxell > >types against which this subjective view was reckoned. > > > >I have known many, many sound engineers and techies in my business - > >you know the guys in black tee shirts, lank hair with pony tails, a bit > >unkempt, steel-framed glasses - they are a sub-species you know!!! I > >really enjoy them, they are fascinating. These guys do like TDKs, it's > >true. I always thought that it's because you could usually get a good > >cross-section of their range in most places - whereas other brands were > >not as completely represented. I recall one sound manager of ours, who > >shall remain anonymous, called Richard Dobbin (heh heh Richard, I'll > >forward this to you!!) who really liked Sony UCX-S. Good tape, and a > >ready foil for the SA-X. There's nothing wrong with either though. > > > >In the end, I think it was just down to "what they knew" in the way of > >brand/type and which one hadn't let them down. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Marc > > > > >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/10/05 05:29AM >>> > >Does anyone know why in professional circles and in > >testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a > >better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell > >better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the > >King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X > >series.And why were the majority of decks back in the > >day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the > >manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did > >TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them > >tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the > >deck they just purchased using that information to > >sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering > >about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on > >these topics..Keith H. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? 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If there is a lot of low level signal coming through then one may become disturbed by tape noise/hiss, in which case, it may be better to push the recording levels higher and live with the occasional distortions when there is overload. On the other hand, if the music is offering a high level signal most of the time, one can afford to drop the recording level to prevent over loading problems. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salih Demir Sent: 10 January 2005 11:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK SA-X Adjustment Hi All, With such misbehaving tapes, I prefer to set the level lower than the reference point. you'll get much better result on high db / overload recordings, with least distortion. Tayfur kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Bob TDK SA-X is bit strange when you adjust bias - If your set the bias a bit more than corret level - you get a very bad recording ( with very poor overload margin around 0 Db-)while MAXEL XL IIS requires underbias but behaves well with signal overloads. I had been careful when trying to set bias for TDk SA -X. TDK SA is a nice tape in most of the ways and MAxel XLII as well. kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Valman, I am not a tech, but I can tell you that the guys at ESL are not fond of TDK SA-X because it has odd formulation characteristics. (Perhaps if Jeff is listening in he could throw out a brief description of the problem). They much prefer to adjust the decks they work on to a different tape such as XLII-S. I happen to use both tapes, and on the three decks they have re-built for me so far, they adjusted to XLII-S. However, when I use SA-X I get very good results, and have no trouble setting my recording levels for consistent results. I do virtually all of my recording on my CR-7 which has the advantage of automatic calibration for playback head azimuth, bias current calibration, and level calibration for each channel. Robert Kent Valman wrote: Has anyone else noticed that it is hard to get the recording level right when using TDK SA-X?I know that SA-X is more sensitive tape than Maxell XLII-S but is more sensitive always a better thing?Maxell XLII-S seem's to exibit a tamer attitude with recording levels,with SA-X just when you think everything is set correctly i always get that one note that sends the recording meters off the deep end +10 (Distortion),Maxell seems to stay right were i put them.I do like the sound of SA-X and XLII-S but to me SA-X is a little too sensitive,it's aggravating trying to get the levels right,..Let me know what you think or maybe your observation's..Peace,Keith. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4f714$b22b3840$3e74893e@oemcomputer> If anyone spots any good sources for the EMTEC/BASF cassettes please let me know as I prefer them to TDK and my local sources in the Liverpool area have dried up completely. I did find one bulk duplicator who was prepared to sell be Chrome Super in screw cassette cases, too, but the cost was high at almost £2.00 each for a C90. Gra' > From bhonhoff at dds.nl Mon Jan 10 16:58:36 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Piano OT In-Reply-To: <002901c4f712$e75fbe20$fb814c51@oemcomputer> References: <002901c4f712$e75fbe20$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1105372716.41e2a62c8ed01@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Graham, The nicest Solist, which made the 'Boesy' famous, would have been mr. Liszt. However, for obvious reasons, no records do exist of the Grand Master, who made the Boesy larger than large. (It was the only Grandpiano, which was able to survive longer than 3 month of playing by mr. Liszt. Unlike the other brands ;-) Try some performances from Andre Previn or Leonard Bernstein. According the Boesendorfer Website a Oscar Peterson plays a Boesy as well. Since Classical Music is not everybodies turf: Mike Oldfield, he used on his first 4 albums a Bösendorfer (Boesendorfer) The sound of Bösendorfers - in my opinion - is that its tone is a bit more soft and less harsh (which is NOT the same) than a Steinway. And yes, there are technicians, who are dedicated to 'their' solist/Boesy as there are technicians who are dedicated to their solist/Steinways. By the way. A 'Boesy' is new around 150% of the prize of a similar size 'Steinway'. Most SUV's are cheaper! And do lose their value quicker! However the maintenance costs will be comparable. bart Quoting Nelson : > Bart > > Any recordings you'd recommend so I might hear this? > > Also, do you - or does anyone else - have any recordings of Forte Piano (as > different from Piano Forte) that they can recommend? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of bart honhoff > > Sent: 10 January 2005 08:42 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > Maybe becoming off-topic again ;-) > > > > I prefer a Boesendorfer anytime. Grand piano, larger than 70 > > inches, that is. > > (And NO it has nothing to do with seizes of particular bodyparts, > > like ego, etc) > > > > AND: you can hear the difference between a Steinway and > > Boesendorfer on a Nak > > 600! (And that is NOT because either one lacks quality in sound) > > > > Quoting Mark Hugo : > > > > > Too good Fred!! Keyboard from the Sea of Cortez no doubt. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > >>> flifton at mac.com 01/08/05 11:14AM >>> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 17:20:23 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? In-Reply-To: <002a01c4f712$ea0e6360$fb814c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050110162023.41627.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> I remember something like Nak tested the tape it got from TDK and rejected 40-60% of it becuase it didn't meet their standards. SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Allegedly, the Nakamichi tapes were always cut from the centre of > the > massive widths from which the thin cassette tapes were taken, with > TDK > taking the rest up to the edges for their own. Thus, the Nak' > tapes were > guaranteed to have a better consistency of the magnetic layer. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 10 January 2005 11:44 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > > > > Shalom Mark & Keith! > > > > To my knowledge...maybe I'm wrong?, Nakamichi EX - EX/2, SX-SX/2 > > & ZX were > > TDK with Nakamichi logo! And of course those Tri-Tracer 700/1000 > > Mk 2 also > > and all those 500 600 series were also calibrated ONLY...with TDK > brand > > cassettes. Later models I don't know! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Hugo" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: , > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:13:08 +0200 > > > > > >Hi Keith, > > > > > >I have come across many people who also had a quick, seemingly > > >considered response that TDK was "the best". When you ask them > "which > > >TDK?" or "better in what way?", the eyes sometimes glaze over. > If they > > >are specific and say, "well, SA and SA-X" - that's a good start. > > >However, I wonder if they would be as adept at mentioning the > Maxell > > >types against which this subjective view was reckoned. > > > > > >I have known many, many sound engineers and techies in my > business - > > >you know the guys in black tee shirts, lank hair with pony > tails, a bit > > >unkempt, steel-framed glasses - they are a sub-species you > know!!! I > > >really enjoy them, they are fascinating. These guys do like > TDKs, it's > > >true. I always thought that it's because you could usually get > a good > > >cross-section of their range in most places - whereas other > brands were > > >not as completely represented. I recall one sound manager of > ours, who > > >shall remain anonymous, called Richard Dobbin (heh heh Richard, > I'll > > >forward this to you!!) who really liked Sony UCX-S. Good tape, > and a > > >ready foil for the SA-X. There's nothing wrong with either > though. > > > > > >In the end, I think it was just down to "what they knew" in the > way of > > >brand/type and which one hadn't let them down. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Marc > > > > > > >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/10/05 05:29AM >>> > > >Does anyone know why in professional circles and in > > >testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a > > >better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell > > >better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the > > >King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X > > >series.And why were the majority of decks back in the > > >day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the > > >manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did > > >TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them > > >tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the > > >deck they just purchased using that information to > > >sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering > > >about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on > > >these topics..Keith H. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 17:54:32 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:54:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Piano OT In-Reply-To: <1105372716.41e2a62c8ed01@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <000301c4f735$0ee17340$2c9a87d9@oemcomputer> I don't care if this is OT - that's very interesting, Bart! I shall have to do more reading on it as see how it differs from the Forte Piano (as different from the Piano Forte) as used by Mozart and Beethoven, which (I understand) is also softer in tone than a Piano Forte since it was made entirely from wood (no metal frame) and used leather on the hammers rather than felt. I shall take up your recommendations - thank you! (I have an early Previn jazz EP - I'll check to see if it says what instrument he is using on that occasion.) Regards Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of bart honhoff > Sent: 10 January 2005 15:59 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings Piano OT > > > Hi Graham, > > The nicest Solist, which made the 'Boesy' famous, would have been > mr. Liszt. > However, for obvious reasons, no records do exist of the Grand > Master, who made > the Boesy larger than large. (It was the only Grandpiano, which > was able to > survive longer than 3 month of playing by mr. Liszt. Unlike the > other brands ;-) > > Try some performances from Andre Previn or Leonard Bernstein. > > According the Boesendorfer Website a Oscar Peterson plays a Boesy as well. > > Since Classical Music is not everybodies turf: > Mike Oldfield, he used on his first 4 albums a Bösendorfer (Boesendorfer) > > The sound of Bösendorfers - in my opinion - is that its tone is a > bit more soft > and less harsh (which is NOT the same) than a Steinway. > > And yes, there are technicians, who are dedicated to 'their' > solist/Boesy as > there are technicians who are dedicated to their solist/Steinways. > > By the way. A 'Boesy' is new around 150% of the prize of a similar > size 'Steinway'. Most SUV's are cheaper! And do lose their value quicker! > However the maintenance costs will be comparable. > > bart > > > Quoting Nelson : > > > Bart > > > > Any recordings you'd recommend so I might hear this? > > > > Also, do you - or does anyone else - have any recordings of > Forte Piano (as > > different from Piano Forte) that they can recommend? > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of bart honhoff > > > Sent: 10 January 2005 08:42 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > > > > Maybe becoming off-topic again ;-) > > > > > > I prefer a Boesendorfer anytime. Grand piano, larger than 70 > > > inches, that is. > > > (And NO it has nothing to do with seizes of particular bodyparts, > > > like ego, etc) > > > > > > AND: you can hear the difference between a Steinway and > > > Boesendorfer on a Nak > > > 600! (And that is NOT because either one lacks quality in sound) > > > > > > Quoting Mark Hugo : > > > > > > > Too good Fred!! Keyboard from the Sea of Cortez no doubt. > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > >>> flifton at mac.com 01/08/05 11:14AM >>> > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 17:54:49 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:54:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? In-Reply-To: <20050110162023.41627.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c4f735$190805a0$2c9a87d9@oemcomputer> Goodness! That would go some of the way to explain the high cost of the Nak tapes, then!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 10 January 2005 16:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > I remember something like Nak tested the tape it got from TDK and > rejected 40-60% of it becuase it didn't meet their standards. > > SJ > --- Nelson wrote: > > > Allegedly, the Nakamichi tapes were always cut from the centre of > > the > > massive widths from which the thin cassette tapes were taken, with > > TDK > > taking the rest up to the edges for their own. Thus, the Nak' > > tapes were > > guaranteed to have a better consistency of the magnetic layer. > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: 10 January 2005 11:44 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > > > > > > > Shalom Mark & Keith! > > > > > > To my knowledge...maybe I'm wrong?, Nakamichi EX - EX/2, SX-SX/2 > > > & ZX were > > > TDK with Nakamichi logo! And of course those Tri-Tracer 700/1000 > > > Mk 2 also > > > and all those 500 600 series were also calibrated ONLY...with TDK > > brand > > > cassettes. Later models I don't know! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 21:07:14 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:07:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c4f74f$fa4ace20$e96f893e@oemcomputer> This is very hard for me to answer because there are so may that I like a lot in this respect, not all of them labelled as "audiophile" recordings. But they are ALL on vinyl and played through a combination of Oracle Delphi II, OL modified/re-wired RB300,DNM Reca cartridge and Graham Slee "Jazz Club" phono stage. Presently, I've been admiring the quality of the Nancy Griffith recordings, not least "Storm". All the Mary Black vinyl records are excellently recorded, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 08 January 2005 09:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Hi all, this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some time. What are list-members favorite all-time recordings? Not necessarily great performances or performers, but the technically best engineered/recorded tracks. I'm especially interested in titles that are currently available so I could buy them and educate my ears. Looking forward to the responses. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 21:52:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? For an east-ender!! Message-ID: Shalom Mark & Colin! They also have Fuji K2, ZII (Alex Cozac loves them!!) That's is true!!! Today the ONLY excellent type 2 cassette, that I can obtain here in Israel in stable quantity! AND...very cheap...ONE AMERICAN DOLLAR EACH CASSETTE!!!! This is also very important? ALEX! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? For an east-ender!! >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:44:46 +0200 > >Hi Colin, > >Great that you using the cassette format again. I am writing to you >from the Free State in South Africa, so nice to know you have a "plek" >here in SA. > >I quite understand you do not want to plunder your collection of >unopened tapes - they may be irreplaceable. The situation as you >describe it it is the current reality. > >What would immediately suggest, if you are in the east-end, is to go to >KVJ Fairdeal which is your neighbourhood. They are in Whitechapel Road >opposite the Aldgate East tube station - if you are looking west up the >road (which is a dual carriage way I think), it is on the left. It is a >small shop that specialise in blank media of all types. > >They have a webpage - which is: http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ > >You can order online with them and they will deliver anywhere in the >UK. What is listed on the webpage may be exceeded by certain items they >have "lying around" in smaller numbers in the store. > >You have already identified what is available and it's true, it isn't >much. I'd plumb for Sony's CD-it (in the slide box) above TDK's >CDingII. You may see Maxell UDII around. It has nothing much to be >said for it - the TDK SA is better. However, the Maxell UDI is an >unusually good type 1, better than AD, which is tough to find anyway. >You might find AR (from TDK). That is an excellent type 1. Whatever >Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X you can find, buy them. Another brand which >can be found in the UK is BASF. However, usually only Chrome Extra (CE) >and occasionally Chrome Super. These are fine tapes, especially the >latter. > >At KVJ, they have English Maxell XLII (Fire Series) - which are >excellent. They also have Fuji K2, ZII (Alex Cozac loves them!!) and >the first rate type I, FRI-S. K2 predates ZII. They might have some >Metal-Zs lying about - ask. It seems they are out of TDK AR - but ask >for them - they did have the 100 length in stock. They might also have >MA-XG - they were going for UKP2.99. > >It's ikely that the Maxell metals to which you refer are "Metal CD". >These are fine but avoid the 100 and 110 minute versions. Basically, >they are Maxell MX in a cheaper shell. Otherwise, they are good. Any >English MX-S you can get are excellent, but they are like hens teeth. > >Best buys to my mind in the UK now would be: Maxell XLII-S, XLII and >Metal-CD. If the odd MX (10 year old stock), MX-S, UD-I, or XLI-S were >to pop up, I'd snap it up, if the price were sensible. BASF - look out >for Chrome Maxima, Reference Maxima TPII and Metal Maxima TPIV. TDK - >look for AR, new/old stock SA-X and MA from the far east. And MA-XG of >course. Also, try out those Fuji K2s - you'll be surprised!! > >On your last question - is there a difference in formulations used >worldwide? No, I have not found that to be so. English Maxells are >identical to the Japanese ones (made at the Maxell Europe plant in >Shropshire). TDK tapes made in Luxembourg have demonstrated quality >problems though I haven't experienced them because the TDKs we get here >are made in Thailand from Japanese materials. > >Let us know how you go on plundering KVJs stocks!! > >Cheers, > >Marc > > > > >>> cmmarsh at ntlworld.com 01/09/05 02:08PM >>> >I have only been a member of this forum for a month or so but following >the >threads and posts has started me using the format once again. My >(Nakamichi) recorders are : a Dragon, currently in my other home in >South >Africa, a ZX7 currently having a recording fault repaired by Bowers >and >Wilkins and a BX125e in the UK. I do have other machines made by >ReVox >Aiwa and Tandburg but I use these with their internal DBX units or an >external pair of DBX units. I have never used the DBX units with the >Naks. >I have a stock of new/old cassettes, Type 2 and type 4 ( all the usual >more >common makes, TDK, Maxell, Fuji, Sony, and BASF) not out of their >packing, >and quite a few of the less common Type 2 and 4 tapes including >Nakamichi >branded TDK stock and the Metal cased examples from the 80s and 90s. >I >don't really want to use these cassettes if I can help it and I have >now an >urgency to get some new stocks on my shelfs. I have always used Reel >to >Reel with ReVox recorders as my preferred recording medium, but with >Quantegy now out of production I want to keep my reel tape stocks >(about >60)until we see if another manufacturer steps in! > >I now find that cassette tape in no longer available in the wide ranges >it >used to be! I have searched the internet and my results show very >little >choice in the UK? Type 2 stock seems to be TDK SA, CDing 2, Maxell >XL11. and >type 4 only TDK MA! I did manage to get a few boxes of Quantegy type >2 >tapes as well. I am told that Fuji also have a couple of formulations >around but I have never liked their tapes! Is it worth bothering with >type >1 tapes? > >Somebody said that the TDK and Maxell tape stocks in the EU are sourced >in >the EU? and the US stock is sourced in Japan? is this so and is there >a >difference in the formulations used? > >In group members opinions what is the best tapes to go for? should I >wait >to next month when I will be in the US and buy US Stock? The type 4 >tapes >that I can buy in the UK are as I said TDK MA, I can also get, I think >Maxell Type 4 tapes from the same source. The TDKs are about 3 times >the >cost of the Maxell ( about 1.30 UK pounds). Should I get a stock of >these >as well? What do you guys think of the Quantegy cassettes? > >Oh, I record mostly from best quality FM broadcast, but also from LP >record >if I borrow something outstanding! I don't record CD unless I use DBX, >and >that is not very often as I prefer the warmth of analogue. > >I really would appreciate the groups advice on this, Thanks. Please >excuse my misuse of the English language and my grammar, I am only a >common >East End of London Boy and we don't talk proper!. > >Colin > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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Date: Sun, 9 >Jan 2005 19:29:21 -0800 (PST) > >Does anyone know why in professional circles and in >testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a >better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell >better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the >King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X >series.And why were the majority of decks back in the >day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the >manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did >TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them >tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the >deck they just purchased using that information to >sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering >about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on >these topics..Keith H. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Jan 10 16:28:48 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:28:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? Message-ID: <20050110152847.LZQB20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Carlos was an Emmy winner for one of his recordings? Please elaborate but I can tell you the Marathon CD's are probably the best CD's I've ever had the pleasure of listening. > > From: "Nelson" > Date: 2005/01/10 Mon AM 07:49:57 EST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > I don't think you'd find that Carlos thought TDK was the best tape and he > was into the duplicating business. (Got an Emmy for one of his recordings, > did you know?) Unfortunately, he's no longer around to explain why; but I > do believe this subject was touched on by him and others in the past - worth > searching the archives.) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Keith Hugo > > Sent: 10 January 2005 03:29 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > > > > Does anyone know why in professional circles and in > > testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a > > better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell > > better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the > > King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X > > series.And why were the majority of decks back in the > > day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the > > manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did > > TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them > > tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the > > deck they just purchased using that information to > > sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering > > about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on > > these topics..Keith H. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From bwana747 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 19:01:48 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:01:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Info on obsolete op amp and possible source. In-Reply-To: <20050110103655.3302917CEF@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: I've also found cross references for your op amp which mention the following as substitutes: ECG975 ECG1171 UA301HC LM307AH datasheetarchive.com appears to be offline and under revision so I was unable to get the datasheet pdf for the TA7506M. I was, however, able to find a source which claims to stock your original part number. Check with www.4starelectronics.com for availability. They're located in San Clemente, California, USA. I know little about their company besides what their website mentions. Maybe an email to them could answer further questions on specs, price and availability. Good luck! Bob >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Info on obsolete op amp >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:36:55 -0800 (PST) > >Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > Does anyone know anything about this op amp, > > TA 7506M? Its a dual op amp and was made by Toshiba. > >According to this page: http://www.tvservice.org/components/CROSSREF.PDF >The TA7506M could be crossed to a LM301A, which is a very old design >general-purpose opamp. However the LM301A is a single (standard pin-out), >not a dual. I guess the accuracy of the cross reference is in question, >if you're sure that the TA7506M is a dual. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 19:28:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:28:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Info on obsolete op amp In-Reply-To: <20050110103655.3302917CEF@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20050110182834.73424.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ti, You hit it right. It is a LM 301 AN. It is used as an amplifier in the meter circuit of my Technics M95 deck. I just fixed it today. Beautiful sound.. Bala --- Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > Does anyone know anything about this op > amp, > > TA 7506M? Its a dual op amp and was made by > Toshiba. > > According to this page: > http://www.tvservice.org/components/CROSSREF.PDF > The TA7506M could be crossed to a LM301A, which is a > very old design > general-purpose opamp. However the LM301A is a > single (standard pin-out), > not a dual. I guess the accuracy of the cross > reference is in question, > if you're sure that the TA7506M is a dual. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 19:38:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050110183852.46292.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which didnt sound too good. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Bart! > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > separate power supply! No > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > pleasure. I had the > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > gear owner!!! > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > again better that on > your Thorens table! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > >Hi, > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > well calibrated Stanton 681 > >EEE > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > records. > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > it right. > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > >years > >old and well tempered.) > > > >bart > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > Hi all, > > > this makes me think of something I've been > meaning to ask for some > > > time. 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Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 10 23:35:05 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:35:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? In-Reply-To: <20050110152847.LZQB20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <001c01c4f764$a2af3c40$e96f893e@oemcomputer> It's a while back since it was mentioned. I forget the details but it will be in the Archive on the web site. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net > Sent: 10 January 2005 15:29 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > Carlos was an Emmy winner for one of his recordings? Please > elaborate but I can tell you the Marathon CD's are probably the > best CD's I've ever had the pleasure of listening. > > > > > > From: "Nelson" > > Date: 2005/01/10 Mon AM 07:49:57 EST > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > > I don't think you'd find that Carlos thought TDK was the best > tape and he > > was into the duplicating business. (Got an Emmy for one of his > recordings, > > did you know?) Unfortunately, he's no longer around to explain > why; but I > > do believe this subject was touched on by him and others in the > past - worth > > searching the archives.) > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Keith Hugo > > > Sent: 10 January 2005 03:29 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] TDK cassette's hailed as the "Best" Why? > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know why in professional circles and in > > > testing TDK cassette's were always thought of as a > > > better tape than Maxell?Personally i like Maxell > > > better but always wonderd why TDK was hailed as the > > > King of cassette's especially the SA and SA-X > > > series.And why were the majority of decks back in the > > > day factory calibrated with TDK over Maxell did the > > > manufactures think Maxell was inferior to TDK or did > > > TDK pay them to use there tape and in turn have them > > > tell the public that TDK was used to calibrate the > > > deck they just purchased using that information to > > > sell there tapes?Just some thing i was wondering > > > about.Thanks for any info you smart folks have on > > > these topics..Keith H. > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 05:42:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:42:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Message-ID: Shalom Bala! During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from the 125 Mk-1; after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only SME 3009 series 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe headshell, and only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today I have with me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with Rega RB-300 arm and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable table was my change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at the beginning the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once I received a Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this combination show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my Shure Type 5HE that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type cartridges...stuck only on Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC cartridges...SO I do not need any Transformer or other additive. However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top of the line Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may understand why I love the sound of those Naim's gear! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which >didnt sound too good. > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Bart! > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > separate power supply! No > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > pleasure. I had the > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > gear owner!!! > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > again better that on > > your Thorens table! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > >EEE > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > records. > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > it right. > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > >years > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > >bart > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > meaning to ask for some > > > > time. 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Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From ti at amb.org Tue Jan 11 07:35:34 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:35:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip Message-ID: <20050111063534.1C34617D13@smtp.amb.org> Hi all, I was replacing the idler tire on a Pioneer CT-F1250 cassette deck, and the durn'ed retaining e-clip went flying when I got it off, never to be found again. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a replacement? I tried googling, but most places that have these are geared toward industrial customers and I don't need to buy hundreds or thousands of these... Ordinary local hardware stores don't carry anything that small. FYI, the idler shaft measures about 2mm in diameter. I don't know how deep the groove on the shaft (where the e-clip snaps into) is, but hopefully that is enough info to obtain a proper replacement... Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 11 02:50:52 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: <20050110021714.67122.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050110021714.67122.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E330FC.5070707@snet.net> As with most things like this, I would imagine that at least one specialty manufacturer will resume production or enter the market to basically service the entire industry. While highly reduced, the demand will still motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly became extinct a couple of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of new tubes available from Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten years. Ed Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Well Nelson, > > The world would miss out on a legacy the day >those lights are going to be switched out. By I for >one, wont let that happen. > >Bala >--- Nelson wrote: > > > >>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a Reel-to-reel. >> >>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, please >>switch out the lights. >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> >>> >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> >> >>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess >>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>> >>> >>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>My impression was that it is the wide >>>> >>>> >>professional tapes that are out of >> >> >>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong >>>> >>>> >>but as I understand it, >> >> >>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources >>>> >>>> >>still available from >> >> >>>>other sources. >>>> >>>> >>>Gra', >>> >>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding >>> >>> >>that there are no >> >> >>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. >>> >>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny >>> >>> >>in Hong Kong have never >> >> >>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI >>> >>> >>from India are the >> >> >>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and >>> >>> >>perhaps not as good). >> >> >>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then >>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year >>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy >>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business >>> and is now questionable >>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices >>> and has been gone for a while >>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as >>> >>> >>far >> >> >>> as tape is concerned >>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of >>> a year ago or so >>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty >>> >>> >>sure >> >> >>> they don't make it any more >>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more >>> >>>Who did I leave out? >>> >>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell >>> >>> >>tapes seem to >> >> >>>be out of >>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is >>> >>> >>available new any more). >> >> >>>Cheers? >>> >>>Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 09:47:46 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:47:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b105011100472d981850@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Alex ! I have been restraining myself for the last week from commenting on your "plugging" for the Naim CD players, but I can't hold out any longer -:). As I might have mentioned previously, over the last several years I have been in a sort of friendly competition with a very good friend of mine - he is a big vinyl fan, which leaves me trying to prove that CD is not that bad a format. I will only say that there are CD players that can bury a latest spec Michell Orbe with SME V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The Groove" phono stage - unfortunately Naim, albeit quite competent machines, are far from that level and can easily be wiped off the floor by at least a dozen other machines which come immediately to my mind. As I think I've said before on this forum - it depends to a very great extent on the quality of your source - it's hardly fair to compare a Direct-to-disc 180g Sheffield Lab LP to a run-of-the mill over-tweaked, compressed, over-produced and over-corrected CD. Peace, George On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:42:40 +0200, Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Bala! > > During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from the 125 Mk-1; > after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only SME 3009 series > 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe headshell, and > only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today I have with > me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! > As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with Rega RB-300 arm > and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable table was my > change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at the beginning > the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once I received a > Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this combination > show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my Shure Type 5HE > that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type cartridges...stuck only on > Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC cartridges...SO I do > not need any Transformer or other additive. > However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top of the line > Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may understand why I > love the sound of those Naim's gear! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to > >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using > >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it > >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was > >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But > >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc > >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which > >didnt sound too good. > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Dear Bart! > > > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > > separate power supply! No > > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > > pleasure. I had the > > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > > gear owner!!! > > > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > > again better that on > > > your Thorens table! > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > > >EEE > > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > > records. > > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > > it right. > > > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > > >years > > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > > > >bart > > > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > > meaning to ask for some > > > > > time. What are list-members favorite all-time > > > recordings? > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > > > Download today it's FREE! > > > > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > >http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 10:03:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:03:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: Shalom Ed! Concerning the tubes, only they are made in Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. Mostly in Russia & China! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Edward Noyes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that at least one specialty >manufacturer will resume production or enter the market to basically >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, the demand will still >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly became extinct a couple >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of new tubes available from >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten years. > >Ed > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >>Well Nelson, >> >> The world would miss out on a legacy the day >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I for >>one, wont let that happen. >> >>Bala >>--- Nelson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a Reel-to-reel. >>> >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, please >>>switch out the lights. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> >>> >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>> >>>> >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide >>>>> >>>>> >>>professional tapes that are out of >>> >>> >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong >>>>> >>>>> >>>but as I understand it, >>> >>> >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources >>>>> >>>>> >>>still available from >>> >>> >>>>>other sources. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Gra', >>>> >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding >>>> >>>> >>>that there are no >>> >>> >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. >>>> >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny >>>> >>>> >>>in Hong Kong have never >>> >>> >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI >>>> >>>> >>>from India are the >>> >>> >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and >>>> >>>> >>>perhaps not as good). >>> >>> >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business >>>> and is now questionable >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices >>>> and has been gone for a while >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as >>>> >>>> >>>far >>> >>> >>>> as tape is concerned >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of >>>> a year ago or so >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty >>>> >>>> >>>sure >>> >>> >>>> they don't make it any more >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more >>>> >>>>Who did I leave out? >>>> >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell >>>> >>>> >>>tapes seem to >>> >>> >>>>be out of >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is >>>> >>>> >>>available new any more). >>> >>> >>>>Cheers? >>>> >>>>Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Register your Nak today! >>>http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bhonhoff at dds.nl Tue Jan 11 12:14:19 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:14:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105442059.41e3b50b3d960@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Alex, my bad experience is INCLUDING the Naim CD-player (excluding the seperate power supply). Others brands (to much models from those) I tried NAD, Marantz, Philips, Sony ES, Sony QS, Cambridge Audio, Krell, Macintosh (incl. Apple Mac ;- ), Accuphase, Wadia, Quad, Harman Kardon, Arcam and Nakamichi ;-) The one of that long list I actually preferred the most was the Nak CDP-2E, next to one Harman Kardon I cannot remember. And not one of the older OMS-series nor the NAK CD-player 2 or 3 (which are the most decent MultiCD players I know). (Which makes this posting Nak related again) regards, bart Quoting Alex Cozac : > Dear Bart! > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his separate power supply! No > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening pleasure. I had the > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" gear owner!!! > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's again better that on > your Thorens table! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > >Hi, > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on well calibrated Stanton 681 > >EEE > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the records. > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get it right. > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > >years > >old and well tempered.) > > > >bart > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > Hi all, > > > this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some > > > time. 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Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 11 12:28:48 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:28:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: Ed, I think you're probably right on that and the tube comparison is certainly valid. (Imagine the year 2015 ...with genuine original TDK SA-Xs getting sold for frightful prices just as they do now with Western Electric 300Bs). By the way, Ed it's great that you're still on Nalktalk after all these years - hang in there. What Naks are you still using? Cheers, Marc >>> enoyes at snet.net 01/11/05 03:50AM >>> As with most things like this, I would imagine that at least one specialty manufacturer will resume production or enter the market to basically service the entire industry. While highly reduced, the demand will still motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly became extinct a couple of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of new tubes available from Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten years. Ed Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Well Nelson, > > The world would miss out on a legacy the day >those lights are going to be switched out. By I for >one, wont let that happen. > >Bala >--- Nelson wrote: > > > >>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a Reel-to-reel. >> >>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, please >>switch out the lights. >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> >>> >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> >> >>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess >>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>> >>> >>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>My impression was that it is the wide >>>> >>>> >>professional tapes that are out of >> >> >>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong >>>> >>>> >>but as I understand it, >> >> >>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape sources >>>> >>>> >>still available from >> >> >>>>other sources. >>>> >>>> >>>Gra', >>> >>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my understanding >>> >>> >>that there are no >> >> >>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. >>> >>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by Hanny >>> >>> >>in Hong Kong have never >> >> >>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI >>> >>> >>from India are the >> >> >>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and >>> >>> >>perhaps not as good). >> >> >>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then >>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year >>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy >>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape business >>> and is now questionable >>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices >>> and has been gone for a while >>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least as >>> >>> >>far >> >> >>> as tape is concerned >>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as of >>> a year ago or so >>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm pretty >>> >>> >>sure >> >> >>> they don't make it any more >>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more >>> >>>Who did I leave out? >>> >>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and Maxell >>> >>> >>tapes seem to >> >> >>>be out of >>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is >>> >>> >>available new any more). >> >> >>>Cheers? >>> >>>Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 11 13:59:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip In-Reply-To: <20050111063534.1C34617D13@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <002201c4f7dd$70ef98c0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> Damn! I hate it when that happens ... tiny screws, other little things, usually black but sometimes even bright red!! And where do they go? How is it they just vanish, rarely ever to be seen again? I have a theory my house is infested with Borrowers, who run out and nick stuff like that before I can find them ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 11 January 2005 06:36 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip > > > Hi all, > > I was replacing the idler tire on a Pioneer CT-F1250 cassette deck, and > the durn'ed retaining e-clip went flying when I got it off, never to be > found again. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a > replacement? > I tried googling, but most places that have these are geared toward > industrial customers and I don't need to buy hundreds or thousands > of these... > > Ordinary local hardware stores don't carry anything that small. > > FYI, the idler shaft measures about 2mm in diameter. I don't know > how deep the groove on the shaft (where the e-clip snaps into) is, > but hopefully that is enough info to obtain a proper replacement... > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 11 13:59:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: <518b7b105011100472d981850@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c4f7dd$73af06e0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> George This is a bit OT but what the heck! Which CD players do you put in the Orbe beating class?? (I notice that Origin Live's favourite CD player is a Chinese made Shanling CD player. That must have been one of the grey market imports, too, not one of the vastly more expensive same model number "official" imports that Hi Fi World claims are probably of a better quality .... yeah, of course they are!) I think you do have a point about the sources - I recall my brother's 3-box Wadia could often match his (then) top of the range Linn LP12 set up but, as you say, the software had to be right!! Neither player was forgiving of bad recordings. To keep this on topic ... he used a Nakamichi CR7E and a BX-300 in the same set up, an otherwise all Naim amp lot of kit with active Naim Isobarik speakers. Sadly, he lost the lot when he was declared bankrupt. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: 11 January 2005 08:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > Shalom Alex ! > > I have been restraining myself for the last week from commenting on > your "plugging" for the Naim CD players, but I can't hold out any > longer -:). As I might have mentioned previously, over the last > several years I have been in a sort of friendly competition with a > very good friend of mine - he is a big vinyl fan, which leaves me > trying to prove that CD is not that bad a format. I will only say that > there are CD players that can bury a latest spec Michell Orbe with SME > V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans > "The Groove" phono stage - unfortunately Naim, albeit quite competent > machines, are far from that level and can easily be wiped off the > floor by at least a dozen other machines which come immediately to my > mind. As I think I've said before on this forum - it depends to a very > great extent on the quality of your source - it's hardly fair to > compare a Direct-to-disc 180g Sheffield Lab LP to a run-of-the mill > over-tweaked, compressed, over-produced and over-corrected CD. > > Peace, > George > > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:42:40 +0200, Alex Cozac > wrote: > > Shalom Bala! > > > > During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from > the 125 Mk-1; > > after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only > SME 3009 series > > 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe > headshell, and > > only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today > I have with > > me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! > > As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with > Rega RB-300 arm > > and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable > table was my > > change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at > the beginning > > the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once I received a > > Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this > combination > > show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my > Shure Type 5HE > > that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type > cartridges...stuck only on > > Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC > cartridges...SO I do > > not need any Transformer or other additive. > > However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top > of the line > > Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may understand why I > > love the sound of those Naim's gear! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to > > >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using > > >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it > > >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was > > >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But > > >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc > > >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which > > >didnt sound too good. > > > > > >Bala > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Bart! > > > > > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > > > separate power supply! No > > > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > > > pleasure. I had the > > > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > > > gear owner!!! > > > > > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > > > again better that on > > > > your Thorens table! > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > > > >EEE > > > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > > > records. > > > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > > > it right. > > > > > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > > > >years > > > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > > > > > >bart > > > > > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > > > meaning to ask for some > > > > > > time. What are list-members favorite all-time > > > > recordings? > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > > mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > > > > Download today it's FREE! > > > > > > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > > >http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Jan 11 14:16:27 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:16:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip In-Reply-To: <002201c4f7dd$70ef98c0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> References: <002201c4f7dd$70ef98c0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41E3D1AB.6060609@cox.net> It's amazing how those things can just vanish. I used to curse the floor for swallowing e-clips and tiny screws so well. I did discover, however, that if you get your eyeball right down at floor level and look across the floor that it's much easier to find lost hardware. It actually sticks up above the surface. You have to get over the idea of putting your cheek on the floor, though. And then there's the magnet trick. Keep a big speaker magnet handy and just sweep the floor with it occasionally. If the lost item is made of any permutation of iron it will probably stick to the magnet. I have a theory about coat hangers and socks... I think that coat hangers feed on socks and multiply during the night. I've no other explanation for why socks seem to vanish and coat hangers multiply. And somehow, the clothes dryer is involved in this conspiracy. Nelson wrote: >Damn! I hate it when that happens ... tiny screws, other little things, >usually black but sometimes even bright red!! And where do they go? How >is it they just vanish, rarely ever to be seen again? I have a theory my >house is infested with Borrowers, who run out and nick stuff like that >before I can find them ... > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Ti Kan >>Sent: 11 January 2005 06:36 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip >> >> >>Hi all, >> >>I was replacing the idler tire on a Pioneer CT-F1250 cassette deck, and >>the durn'ed retaining e-clip went flying when I got it off, never to be >>found again. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a >>replacement? >>I tried googling, but most places that have these are geared toward >>industrial customers and I don't need to buy hundreds or thousands >>of these... >> >>Ordinary local hardware stores don't carry anything that small. >> >>FYI, the idler shaft measures about 2mm in diameter. I don't know >>how deep the groove on the shaft (where the e-clip snaps into) is, >>but hopefully that is enough info to obtain a proper replacement... >> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >>-Ti >>-- >>Ti Kan >>http://www.amb.org/ti >>Vorsprung durch Technik >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 14:22:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:22:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: <002301c4f7dd$73af06e0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Dear friend Graham! To correct you Isobarik speakers were made by Linn and NOT by Naim...! You an a eductaed british gentleman...should know more deep on british made products...Please!!!! Continue having a nice "Dry" day!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for George >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:57 -0000 > >George > >This is a bit OT but what the heck! Which CD players do you put in the >Orbe >beating class?? (I notice that Origin Live's favourite CD player is a >Chinese made Shanling CD player. That must have been one of the grey >market >imports, too, not one of the vastly more expensive same model number >"official" imports that Hi Fi World claims are probably of a better quality >.... yeah, of course they are!) > >I think you do have a point about the sources - I recall my brother's 3-box >Wadia could often match his (then) top of the range Linn LP12 set up but, >as >you say, the software had to be right!! Neither player was forgiving of >bad >recordings. > >To keep this on topic ... he used a Nakamichi CR7E and a BX-300 in the same >set up, an otherwise all Naim amp lot of kit with active Naim Isobarik >speakers. Sadly, he lost the lot when he was declared bankrupt. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of george valkov > > Sent: 11 January 2005 08:48 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > Shalom Alex ! > > > > I have been restraining myself for the last week from commenting on > > your "plugging" for the Naim CD players, but I can't hold out any > > longer -:). As I might have mentioned previously, over the last > > several years I have been in a sort of friendly competition with a > > very good friend of mine - he is a big vinyl fan, which leaves me > > trying to prove that CD is not that bad a format. I will only say that > > there are CD players that can bury a latest spec Michell Orbe with SME > > V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans > > "The Groove" phono stage - unfortunately Naim, albeit quite competent > > machines, are far from that level and can easily be wiped off the > > floor by at least a dozen other machines which come immediately to my > > mind. As I think I've said before on this forum - it depends to a very > > great extent on the quality of your source - it's hardly fair to > > compare a Direct-to-disc 180g Sheffield Lab LP to a run-of-the mill > > over-tweaked, compressed, over-produced and over-corrected CD. > > > > Peace, > > George > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:42:40 +0200, Alex Cozac > > wrote: > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > > > During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from > > the 125 Mk-1; > > > after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only > > SME 3009 series > > > 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe > > headshell, and > > > only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today > > I have with > > > me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! > > > As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with > > Rega RB-300 arm > > > and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable > > table was my > > > change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at > > the beginning > > > the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once I received >a > > > Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this > > combination > > > show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my > > Shure Type 5HE > > > that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type > > cartridges...stuck only on > > > Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC > > cartridges...SO I do > > > not need any Transformer or other additive. > > > However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top > > of the line > > > Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may understand why >I > > > love the sound of those Naim's gear! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to > > > >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using > > > >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it > > > >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was > > > >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But > > > >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc > > > >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which > > > >didnt sound too good. > > > > > > > >Bala > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bart! > > > > > > > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > > > > separate power supply! No > > > > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > > > > pleasure. I had the > > > > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > > > > gear owner!!! > > > > > > > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > > > > again better that on > > > > > your Thorens table! > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > > > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > > > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > > > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > > > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > > > > >EEE > > > > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > > > > records. > > > > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > > > > it right. > > > > > > > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > > > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > > > > >years > > > > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > > > > > > > >bart > > > > > > > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > > > > meaning to ask for some > > > > > > > time. 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 14:33:28 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:33:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Message-ID: Dear Bart! Sorry but i don't agreed!!! Newer and more expensive as the CDS Mk-2 or the newer Mk-3 are much...much better sounding that the first CDS or the cheaper models as CDX-1 or something named today 5 etc...! Can be...that Naim's source LOVES...,Naim's pre & power as an a complete set...SO will match together exactly as must be...I hear ALL complete Naim's less the speakers that my friend select the ProAc 3.8 and NOT the Naim's speaker line...whatever...the sound is one sole word...SUPERB. Contine having a nice day! ALEX! >From: bart honhoff >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:14:19 +0100 > >Hi Alex, > >my bad experience is INCLUDING the Naim CD-player (excluding the seperate >power >supply). Others brands (to much models from those) I tried NAD, Marantz, >Philips, Sony ES, Sony QS, Cambridge Audio, Krell, Macintosh (incl. Apple >Mac ;- >), Accuphase, Wadia, Quad, Harman Kardon, Arcam and Nakamichi ;-) > >The one of that long list I actually preferred the most was the Nak CDP-2E, >next to one Harman Kardon I cannot remember. >And not one of the older OMS-series nor the NAK CD-player 2 or 3 (which are >the >most decent MultiCD players I know). (Which makes this posting Nak related >again) > >regards, > >bart > >Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > Dear Bart! > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his separate power supply! No > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening pleasure. I had the > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" gear owner!!! > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's again better that >on > > your Thorens table! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on well calibrated Stanton >681 > > >EEE > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the records. > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get it right. > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > >years > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > >bart > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > this makes me think of something I've been meaning to ask for some > > > > time. What are list-members favorite all-time recordings? > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 11 14:55:28 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:55:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c4f7e5$34edfd00$94e44c51@oemcomputer> Alex Yes, of course - by Linn, not Naim - it's my age (and state of health!) making me rather forgetful!! Plus, apart from the Isobariks, I've never been a great fan of Naim and Linn anyway altho' I do hear (from other sources than yourself) that the Naim CD5X/Flatcap 2 is a fine player. (However, I notice that Hi Fi World rate the similarly priced Shanling SCD-T200C even higher, and THAT at the official import version, which is at least twice the cost of a grey import direct from China. I'd love to hear one.) Please send me to the Veterinary for shooting. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 11 January 2005 13:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > > > > Dear friend Graham! > > To correct you Isobarik speakers were made by Linn and NOT by > Naim...! You > an a eductaed british gentleman...should know more deep on british made > products...Please!!!! > > Continue having a nice "Dry" day!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:57 -0000 > > > >George > > > >This is a bit OT but what the heck! Which CD players do you put in the > >Orbe > >beating class?? (I notice that Origin Live's favourite CD player is a > >Chinese made Shanling CD player. That must have been one of the grey > >market > >imports, too, not one of the vastly more expensive same model number > >"official" imports that Hi Fi World claims are probably of a > better quality > >.... yeah, of course they are!) > > > >I think you do have a point about the sources - I recall my > brother's 3-box > >Wadia could often match his (then) top of the range Linn LP12 > set up but, > >as > >you say, the software had to be right!! Neither player was forgiving of > >bad > >recordings. > > > >To keep this on topic ... he used a Nakamichi CR7E and a BX-300 > in the same > >set up, an otherwise all Naim amp lot of kit with active Naim Isobarik > >speakers. Sadly, he lost the lot when he was declared bankrupt. > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of george valkov > > > Sent: 11 January 2005 08:48 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > > > > Shalom Alex ! > > > > > > I have been restraining myself for the last week from commenting on > > > your "plugging" for the Naim CD players, but I can't hold out any > > > longer -:). As I might have mentioned previously, over the last > > > several years I have been in a sort of friendly competition with a > > > very good friend of mine - he is a big vinyl fan, which leaves me > > > trying to prove that CD is not that bad a format. I will only say that > > > there are CD players that can bury a latest spec Michell Orbe with SME > > > V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans > > > "The Groove" phono stage - unfortunately Naim, albeit quite competent > > > machines, are far from that level and can easily be wiped off the > > > floor by at least a dozen other machines which come immediately to my > > > mind. As I think I've said before on this forum - it depends to a very > > > great extent on the quality of your source - it's hardly fair to > > > compare a Direct-to-disc 180g Sheffield Lab LP to a run-of-the mill > > > over-tweaked, compressed, over-produced and over-corrected CD. > > > > > > Peace, > > > George > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:42:40 +0200, Alex Cozac > > > wrote: > > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > > > > > During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from > > > the 125 Mk-1; > > > > after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only > > > SME 3009 series > > > > 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe > > > headshell, and > > > > only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today > > > I have with > > > > me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! > > > > As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with > > > Rega RB-300 arm > > > > and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable > > > table was my > > > > change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at > > > the beginning > > > > the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once > I received > >a > > > > Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this > > > combination > > > > show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my > > > Shure Type 5HE > > > > that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type > > > cartridges...stuck only on > > > > Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC > > > cartridges...SO I do > > > > not need any Transformer or other additive. > > > > However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top > > > of the line > > > > Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may > understand why > >I > > > > love the sound of those Naim's gear! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to > > > > >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using > > > > >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it > > > > >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was > > > > >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But > > > > >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc > > > > >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which > > > > >didnt sound too good. > > > > > > > > > >Bala > > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bart! > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > > > > > separate power supply! No > > > > > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > > > > > pleasure. I had the > > > > > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > > > > > gear owner!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > > > > > again better that on > > > > > > your Thorens table! > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > > > > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > > > > > >EEE > > > > > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > > > > > records. > > > > > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > > > > > it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > > > > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > > > > > >years > > > > > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >bart > > > > > > > > > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > > > > > meaning to ask for some > > > > > > > > time. What are list-members favorite all-time > > > > > > recordings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > mailinglist > > > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > > > > > > Download today it's FREE! > > > > > > > > > > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > >Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > > > > >http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 15:09:41 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:09:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex Message-ID: My lovely Buddy! Again you wrote me on the cheaper CDs from Naim...I hear the Expensive one with the separate power supply! No free meals!!!! my good Buddy! Be well and make SEX...NOT WAR!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:55:28 -0000 > >Alex > >Yes, of course - by Linn, not Naim - it's my age (and state of health!) >making me rather forgetful!! Plus, apart from the Isobariks, I've never >been a great fan of Naim and Linn anyway altho' I do hear (from other >sources than yourself) that the Naim CD5X/Flatcap 2 is a fine player. >(However, I notice that Hi Fi World rate the similarly priced Shanling >SCD-T200C even higher, and THAT at the official import version, which is at >least twice the cost of a grey import direct from China. I'd love to hear >one.) > >Please send me to the Veterinary for shooting. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 11 January 2005 13:23 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > > > > > > > > Dear friend Graham! > > > > To correct you Isobarik speakers were made by Linn and NOT by > > Naim...! You > > an a eductaed british gentleman...should know more deep on british made > > products...Please!!!! > > > > Continue having a nice "Dry" day!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:57 -0000 > > > > > >George > > > > > >This is a bit OT but what the heck! Which CD players do you put in the > > >Orbe > > >beating class?? (I notice that Origin Live's favourite CD player is a > > >Chinese made Shanling CD player. That must have been one of the grey > > >market > > >imports, too, not one of the vastly more expensive same model number > > >"official" imports that Hi Fi World claims are probably of a > > better quality > > >.... yeah, of course they are!) > > > > > >I think you do have a point about the sources - I recall my > > brother's 3-box > > >Wadia could often match his (then) top of the range Linn LP12 > > set up but, > > >as > > >you say, the software had to be right!! Neither player was forgiving >of > > >bad > > >recordings. > > > > > >To keep this on topic ... he used a Nakamichi CR7E and a BX-300 > > in the same > > >set up, an otherwise all Naim amp lot of kit with active Naim Isobarik > > >speakers. Sadly, he lost the lot when he was declared bankrupt. > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of george valkov > > > > Sent: 11 January 2005 08:48 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Alex ! > > > > > > > > I have been restraining myself for the last week from commenting on > > > > your "plugging" for the Naim CD players, but I can't hold out any > > > > longer -:). As I might have mentioned previously, over the last > > > > several years I have been in a sort of friendly competition with a > > > > very good friend of mine - he is a big vinyl fan, which leaves me > > > > trying to prove that CD is not that bad a format. I will only say >that > > > > there are CD players that can bury a latest spec Michell Orbe with >SME > > > > V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans > > > > "The Groove" phono stage - unfortunately Naim, albeit quite >competent > > > > machines, are far from that level and can easily be wiped off the > > > > floor by at least a dozen other machines which come immediately to >my > > > > mind. As I think I've said before on this forum - it depends to a >very > > > > great extent on the quality of your source - it's hardly fair to > > > > compare a Direct-to-disc 180g Sheffield Lab LP to a run-of-the mill > > > > over-tweaked, compressed, over-produced and over-corrected CD. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:42:40 +0200, Alex Cozac > > > > wrote: > > > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > > > > > > > During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from > > > > the 125 Mk-1; > > > > > after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only > > > > SME 3009 series > > > > > 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe > > > > headshell, and > > > > > only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today > > > > I have with > > > > > me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! > > > > > As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with > > > > Rega RB-300 arm > > > > > and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable > > > > table was my > > > > > change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at > > > > the beginning > > > > > the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once > > I received > > >a > > > > > Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this > > > > combination > > > > > show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my > > > > Shure Type 5HE > > > > > that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type > > > > cartridges...stuck only on > > > > > Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC > > > > cartridges...SO I do > > > > > not need any Transformer or other additive. > > > > > However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top > > > > of the line > > > > > Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may > > understand why > > >I > > > > > love the sound of those Naim's gear! > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to > > > > > >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using > > > > > >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it > > > > > >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was > > > > > >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But > > > > > >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc > > > > > >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which > > > > > >didnt sound too good. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > > > > > > separate power supply! No > > > > > > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > > > > > > pleasure. I had the > > > > > > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > > > > > > gear owner!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > > > > > > again better that on > > > > > > > your Thorens table! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > > > > > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > > > > > > >EEE > > > > > > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > > > > > > it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > > > > > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > > > > > > >years > > > > > > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >bart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > > > > > > meaning to ask for some > > > > > > > > > time. 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bhonhoff at dds.nl Tue Jan 11 15:19:43 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:19:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105453183.41e3e07f957b9@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Alex, being not such a rich or high paid man I spent all my money on buying and maintaining Naks, which made almost no money available for NAIM and others. Living in a house, where you can hear the neighbours clock tick, I'm currently listening to Nakamichi Receiver 1, CD player 2 and a Recorder 1 on a KEF 104ab. Why? Because the misses loves the Receiver 1! Not because the owned Quads and B&Ws are wrong, but they are not as convenient. And I love my misses more than the Naks! (Because the CR7, CR4 or other 10 Naks cannot cook! to start with) regards, bart Quoting Alex Cozac : > Dear Bart! > > Sorry but i don't agreed!!! > > Newer and more expensive as the CDS Mk-2 or the newer > Mk-3 are much...much better sounding that the first CDS or the cheaper > models as CDX-1 or something named today 5 etc...! > > Can be...that Naim's source LOVES...,Naim's pre & power as an a complete > set...SO will match together exactly as must be...I hear ALL complete Naim's > less the speakers that my friend select the ProAc 3.8 and NOT the Naim's > speaker line...whatever...the sound is one sole word...SUPERB. > > Contine having a nice day! > > ALEX! From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 15:24:05 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:24:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: References: <002301c4f7dd$73af06e0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <518b7b105011106242ef6c97c@mail.gmail.com> Gra', I appreciate this is OT and will try to keep it short. Two things first: a) I never had any intention to bash Naim - they're good and competent well-built machines, I just don't think they should be recommended as a life-changing alternative to vinyl replay. b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, be it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are also very inconsistent in quality. My absolute favourite is the EMM Labs gear - possibly the ugliest pieces of hi-fi I've seen, but the sound is incredible. I will not list here the rest of the system, because I don't want to turn this thread into a "mine is bigger" rant. After that I would place dCs, Gryphon, Accuphase, Wadia - not necessarily in that order, since at this level of equipment the differences are usually more related to the rest of the system and room acoustics and usually I've not been able to do side by side comparisons. I know I've missed a few (Arcaudio or something like that), I just can't be bothered right now. The only way I can try to make this Nak-related is to mention that the CDP-1 multi-CD changer lost out to my Phillips CD850 MkII - even after some improvements (better caps,etc.) in the output stage. But I still love the cassette decks !!! George > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:57 -0000 > > > >George > > > >This is a bit OT but what the heck! Which CD players do you put in the > >Orbe > >beating class?? (I notice that Origin Live's favourite CD player is a > >Chinese made Shanling CD player. That must have been one of the grey > >market > >imports, too, not one of the vastly more expensive same model number > >"official" imports that Hi Fi World claims are probably of a better quality > >.... yeah, of course they are!) > > > >I think you do have a point about the sources - I recall my brother's 3-box > >Wadia could often match his (then) top of the range Linn LP12 set up but, > >as > >you say, the software had to be right!! Neither player was forgiving of > >bad > >recordings. > > > >To keep this on topic ... he used a Nakamichi CR7E and a BX-300 in the same > >set up, an otherwise all Naim amp lot of kit with active Naim Isobarik > >speakers. Sadly, he lost the lot when he was declared bankrupt. > > > >Gra' From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 15:27:23 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:27:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: <1105453183.41e3e07f957b9@webmail.dds.nl> References: <1105453183.41e3e07f957b9@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <518b7b105011106278d50843@mail.gmail.com> Bart, Fully agree with you, all my remarks on CD players etc. were based on a no-limits budget. It's definitely easier to put together an vinyl-based system which will sound better than CD-based one for the same money. George On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:19:43 +0100, bart honhoff wrote: > Hi Alex, > > being not such a rich or high paid man I spent all my money on buying and > maintaining Naks, which made almost no money available for NAIM and others. > Living in a house, where you can hear the neighbours clock tick, I'm currently > listening to Nakamichi Receiver 1, CD player 2 and a Recorder 1 on a KEF 104ab. > > Why? Because the misses loves the Receiver 1! > Not because the owned Quads and B&Ws are wrong, but they are not as convenient. > And I love my misses more than the Naks! (Because the CR7, CR4 or other 10 Naks > cannot cook! to start with) > > regards, > > bart > > Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > Dear Bart! > > > > Sorry but i don't agreed!!! > > > > Newer and more expensive as the CDS Mk-2 or the newer > > Mk-3 are much...much better sounding that the first CDS or the cheaper > > models as CDX-1 or something named today 5 etc...! > > > > Can be...that Naim's source LOVES...,Naim's pre & power as an a complete > > set...SO will match together exactly as must be...I hear ALL complete Naim's > > less the speakers that my friend select the ProAc 3.8 and NOT the Naim's > > speaker line...whatever...the sound is one sole word...SUPERB. > > > > Contine having a nice day! > > > > ALEX! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 11 15:36:38 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:36:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Message-ID: That's got to be the post of the day Bart..... I think your missus has great taste - I don't think very many Receiver 1s were built - just my impression. I have never seen many for sale. This means that either they are rare (please read desirable) or they are great to own (please read desirable). I too have a Cassette Deck One, and in the absence of a missus, Iove it dearly although it cooks badly to say the least. I also heard that the CD2 was they buy of the range, not in fact the CD I and as for the KEF Ref 104s - well they are simply excellent, utterly accurate speakers. And have you got this all hooked to behave properly through the Receiver's remote? Cheers, Marc >>> bhonhoff at dds.nl 01/11/05 04:19PM >>> Hi Alex, being not such a rich or high paid man I spent all my money on buying and maintaining Naks, which made almost no money available for NAIM and others. Living in a house, where you can hear the neighbours clock tick, I'm currently listening to Nakamichi Receiver 1, CD player 2 and a Recorder 1 on a KEF 104ab. Why? Because the misses loves the Receiver 1! Not because the owned Quads and B&Ws are wrong, but they are not as convenient. And I love my misses more than the Naks! (Because the CR7, CR4 or other 10 Naks cannot cook! to start with) regards, bart Quoting Alex Cozac : > Dear Bart! > > Sorry but i don't agreed!!! > > Newer and more expensive as the CDS Mk-2 or the newer > Mk-3 are much...much better sounding that the first CDS or the cheaper > models as CDX-1 or something named today 5 etc...! > > Can be...that Naim's source LOVES...,Naim's pre & power as an a complete > set...SO will match together exactly as must be...I hear ALL complete Naim's > less the speakers that my friend select the ProAc 3.8 and NOT the Naim's > speaker line...whatever...the sound is one sole word...SUPERB. > > Contine having a nice day! > > ALEX! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 12:21:39 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050111112139.6418.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond telefunken logo at the center of the pins. I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in love madly with it. But tubes are different since they never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Ed! > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. > Mostly in Russia & > China! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Edward Noyes > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 > > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that > at least one specialty > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the > market to basically > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, > the demand will still > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly > became extinct a couple > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of > new tubes available from > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten > years. > > > >Ed > > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > >>Well Nelson, > >> > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the > day > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I > for > >>one, wont let that happen. > >> > >>Bala > >>--- Nelson wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a > Reel-to-reel. > >>> > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, > please > >>>switch out the lights. > >>> > >>>Gra' > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>> > >>> > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>professional tapes that are out of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>but as I understand it, > >>> > >>> > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape > sources > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>still available from > >>> > >>> > >>>>>other sources. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Gra', > >>>> > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my > understanding > >>>> > >>>> > >>>that there are no > >>> > >>> > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > >>>> > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by > Hanny > >>>> > >>>> > >>>in Hong Kong have never > >>> > >>> > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI > >>>> > >>>> > >>>from India are the > >>> > >>> > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>perhaps not as good). > >>> > >>> > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape > business > >>>> and is now questionable > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > >>>> and has been gone for a while > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least > as > >>>> > >>>> > >>>far > >>> > >>> > >>>> as tape is concerned > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as > of > >>>> a year ago or so > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm > pretty > >>>> > >>>> > >>>sure > >>> > >>> > >>>> they don't make it any more > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > >>>> > >>>>Who did I leave out? > >>>> > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and > Maxell > >>>> > >>>> > >>>tapes seem to > >>> > >>> > >>>>be out of > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>available new any more). > >>> > >>> > >>>>Cheers? > >>>> > >>>>Richard > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>> Register your Nak today! > >>>http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From gwmunger at bestweb.net Tue Jan 11 14:49:51 2005 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GeorgE) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:49:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH Message-ID: <41e3d97f.11648.0@bestweb.net> re:NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW Hello Nakkers. I personally avoid using any cloth for my LPs as they can increase the noise floor of the LP after being 'wipe cleaned'. I much prefer to use a commercial record cleaning solution and a machine (you also can make your own) which generally uses a liquid poured on the LP, the wet LP is then rotated on a platter with a satin-like bush to gently loosen and remove dirt by washing action with and vacuum drying. A good unit and proper solution will leave no residue. The undamaged surface will most often be very very clean. Regards to all. George Munger >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:55:57 +0200 >From: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: [naktalk] eBay item 5742718369 (Ends Jan-13-05 12:17:45 PST) > - NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW >Folks! > >Really a JOKE!!!! I have 4 of them like him!!!! Factory sealed!!! >$:24.00 for a cloth!!!! Amazing!!!!! > >ALEX! From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 11 15:35:15 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:35:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: <518b7b105011106242ef6c97c@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c4f7dd$73af06e0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> <518b7b105011106242ef6c97c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050111093233.01af6d58@psulias.psu.edu> I can attest to a tremendous improvement in the Boston I SACD and Tommy SACD over the original vinyl. I don't have a Linn LP12, or anything near that glamorous, but a pretty good Dual 1228 and Ortofon X3MC cart. In retrospect, most of the CDs put out in the 80s were utter crap and I can't replace them fast enough. >b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, be >it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are >also very inconsistent in quality. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:14:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:14:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH Message-ID: Sorry! However the Nakamichi cloth was supplied to clean the wood finished cabinet & NOT LP records! Be well! ALEX! >From: "GeorgE" >Reply-To: gwmunger at bestweb.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:49:51 EST > >re:NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW > >Hello Nakkers. >I personally avoid using any cloth for my LPs as they can increase the >noise floor of the LP after being 'wipe cleaned'. > >I much prefer to use a commercial record cleaning solution and a machine >(you also can make your own) which generally uses a liquid poured on the >LP, the wet LP is then rotated on a platter with a satin-like bush to >gently loosen and remove dirt by washing action with and vacuum drying. A >good unit and proper solution will leave no residue. The undamaged surface >will most often be very very clean. > >Regards to all. >George Munger > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:55:57 +0200 > >From: "Alex Cozac" > >Subject: [naktalk] eBay item 5742718369 (Ends Jan-13-05 12:17:45 PST) > > - NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW > >Folks! > > > >Really a JOKE!!!! I have 4 of them like him!!!! Factory sealed!!! > >$:24.00 for a cloth!!!! Amazing!!!!! > > > >ALEX! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:18:47 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:18:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: Dear Bala! I'm full loaded with replacement for my tube/valve gear! & I never will acquired or fit to my american gear Russian tubes! Sorry I have plenty of those NOS ones! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) > >Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a >number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the >market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded >with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original >tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you >touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines >dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has >a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth >rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond >telefunken logo at the center of the pins. > >I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the >Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in >love madly with it. But tubes are different since they >never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, >and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their >amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Ed! > > > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in > > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in > > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. > > Mostly in Russia & > > China! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Edward Noyes > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 > > > > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that > > at least one specialty > > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the > > market to basically > > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, > > the demand will still > > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly > > became extinct a couple > > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of > > new tubes available from > > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten > > years. > > > > > >Ed > > > > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > > > >>Well Nelson, > > >> > > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the > > day > > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I > > for > > >>one, wont let that happen. > > >> > > >>Bala > > >>--- Nelson wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a > > Reel-to-reel. > > >>> > > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, > > please > > >>>switch out the lights. > > >>> > > >>>Gra' > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>professional tapes that are out of > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>but as I understand it, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape > > sources > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>still available from > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>other sources. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>Gra', > > >>>> > > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my > > understanding > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>that there are no > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > > >>>> > > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by > > Hanny > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>in Hong Kong have never > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>from India are the > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>perhaps not as good). > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year > > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape > > business > > >>>> and is now questionable > > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > > >>>> and has been gone for a while > > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least > > as > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>far > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> as tape is concerned > > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as > > of > > >>>> a year ago or so > > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm > > pretty > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>sure > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> they don't make it any more > > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > > >>>> > > >>>>Who did I leave out? > > >>>> > > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and > > Maxell > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>tapes seem to > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>be out of > > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>available new any more). > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Cheers? > > >>>> > > >>>>Richard > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >>> Register your Nak today! > > >>>http://www.naks.com/register > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:22:55 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:22:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Message-ID: Hi Bart! OK...only I wrote you my personal impression on his newer acquired second hand CDS-2 of my friend. I also can't afford such highly priced Naim's equipment....FOR the moment!!! Maybe later if I will win the lottery!!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: bart honhoff >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:19:43 +0100 > >Hi Alex, > >being not such a rich or high paid man I spent all my money on buying and >maintaining Naks, which made almost no money available for NAIM and others. >Living in a house, where you can hear the neighbours clock tick, I'm >currently >listening to Nakamichi Receiver 1, CD player 2 and a Recorder 1 on a KEF >104ab. > >Why? Because the misses loves the Receiver 1! >Not because the owned Quads and B&Ws are wrong, but they are not as >convenient. >And I love my misses more than the Naks! (Because the CR7, CR4 or other 10 >Naks >cannot cook! to start with) > >regards, > >bart > >Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > Dear Bart! > > > > Sorry but i don't agreed!!! > > > > Newer and more expensive as the CDS Mk-2 or the newer > > Mk-3 are much...much better sounding that the first CDS or the cheaper > > models as CDX-1 or something named today 5 etc...! > > > > Can be...that Naim's source LOVES...,Naim's pre & power as an a complete > > set...SO will match together exactly as must be...I hear ALL complete >Naim's > > less the speakers that my friend select the ProAc 3.8 and NOT the Naim's > > speaker line...whatever...the sound is one sole word...SUPERB. > > > > Contine having a nice day! > > > > ALEX! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 11 16:30:51 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:30:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050111093233.01af6d58@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <000401c4f7f2$88a24a20$e97a893e@oemcomputer> Agreed but don't forget the quality of the recording to CD. In some instances, there is not the same care as there is into getting the quality right on vinyl. This may not be in all cases but it does/did happen, especially with re-releases on CD (where the copies were probably not even made from the same generation "master" as the vinyl of several years previous.) It may also matter where the vinyl or CD was "pressed" - I understand identical recordings pressed in the UK, other parts of Europe, USA and Japan, etc. often gave subtly, and sometimes not so subtle, different quality recordings. I believe this is also the case with re-issues - e.g. Blue Note re-issues. So, it's probably never truly a case of comparing apples with apples but probably more often with apples and pears! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 11 January 2005 14:35 > To: george valkov; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > > > I can attest to a tremendous improvement in the Boston I SACD and Tommy > SACD over the original vinyl. I don't have a Linn LP12, or anything near > that glamorous, but a pretty good Dual 1228 and Ortofon X3MC cart. In > retrospect, most of the CDs put out in the 80s were utter crap > and I can't > replace them fast enough. > > > >b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, be > >it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are > >also very inconsistent in quality. > > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 11 16:41:27 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:41:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George Message-ID: Hi Derirck, Wow, I have yet to hear a better version of Tommy by the Who than the Simply Vinyl 200g pressing. I compared this side by side with the German Polydor CD which lacked life and "snap" to be utterly kind. I agree - the software is really important. I admit the replay systems were not really fair - the analogue version was really fancy vs the Marantz CD17 KI. I certainly do look forward to hearing the SACD - I can believe that this would get the job done!! Cheers, Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 01/11/05 04:35PM >>> I can attest to a tremendous improvement in the Boston I SACD and Tommy SACD over the original vinyl. I don't have a Linn LP12, or anything near that glamorous, but a pretty good Dual 1228 and Ortofon X3MC cart. In retrospect, most of the CDs put out in the 80s were utter crap and I can't replace them fast enough. >b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, be >it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are >also very inconsistent in quality. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 11 17:01:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:01:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH In-Reply-To: <41e3d97f.11648.0@bestweb.net> Message-ID: <000701c4f7f6$d6994180$e97a893e@oemcomputer> Agreed but be careful when cleaning your old 78 rpms as some of the cleaning fluids that are fine for vinyl cause damage to Shellac. Safer to use distilled water, although I generally add a little photographic wetting agent as well with - so far - no ill effect. I then copy the 78 onto cassette via my Nak zx-9 .... keeping on topic!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of GeorgE > Sent: 11 January 2005 13:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH > > > re:NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW > > Hello Nakkers. > I personally avoid using any cloth for my LPs as they can increase the > noise floor of the LP after being 'wipe cleaned'. > > I much prefer to use a commercial record cleaning solution and a machine > (you also can make your own) which generally uses a liquid poured on the > LP, the wet LP is then rotated on a platter with a satin-like bush to > gently loosen and remove dirt by washing action with and vacuum drying. A > good unit and proper solution will leave no residue. The undamaged surface > will most often be very very clean. > > Regards to all. > George Munger > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:55:57 +0200 > >From: "Alex Cozac" > >Subject: [naktalk] eBay item 5742718369 (Ends Jan-13-05 12:17:45 PST) > > - NAKAMICHI RECORD CLOTH NEW > >Folks! > > > >Really a JOKE!!!! I have 4 of them like him!!!! Factory sealed!!! > >$:24.00 for a cloth!!!! Amazing!!!!! > > > >ALEX! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 21:40:59 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:40:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip In-Reply-To: <20050111063534.1C34617D13@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20050111204059.33909.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> I lost the e-clip for my BX-300 and replaced it with an e-clip I found in this assortment kit from MCM Electronics http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=32-3380&N=4 MCM Part No.: 32-3380 It wasn't the same plastic e-clip, but, a metal one, but, it fit and it just needed to keep the idler wheel from coming off. SJ --- Ti Kan wrote: > Hi all, > > I was replacing the idler tire on a Pioneer CT-F1250 cassette deck, > and > the durn'ed retaining e-clip went flying when I got it off, never > to be > found again. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a > replacement? > I tried googling, but most places that have these are geared toward > industrial customers and I don't need to buy hundreds or thousands > of these... > > Ordinary local hardware stores don't carry anything that small. > > FYI, the idler shaft measures about 2mm in diameter. I don't know > how deep the groove on the shaft (where the e-clip snaps into) is, > but hopefully that is enough info to obtain a proper replacement... > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From 3ld at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 11 16:08:31 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:08:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E3EBEF.2070409@bellsouth.net> For those who might have an interest, The Shanling SCD-T200 works extremely well with both a Dragon and CR-7A. If the quality of the CD is good, the recording made with the CR-7A is, to my untrained ears, difficult to distinguish from the CD. The tube output seems to slightly warm the CD, if the CD has been recorded with any harshness, particularly in the upper end. Much like the Dragon sound, to me. I haven't tried any tube rolling through the Shanling, and would be very interested if any Nak owners have done this and what the results were. Mike, Atlanta GA >> From: "Nelson" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex >> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:55:28 -0000 >> >> Alex >> >> Yes, of course - by Linn, not Naim - it's my age (and state of health!) >> making me rather forgetful!! Plus, apart from the Isobariks, I've never >> been a great fan of Naim and Linn anyway altho' I do hear (from other >> sources than yourself) that the Naim CD5X/Flatcap 2 is a fine player. >> (However, I notice that Hi Fi World rate the similarly priced Shanling >> SCD-T200C even higher, and THAT at the official import version, which >> is at >> least twice the cost of a grey import direct from China. I'd love to >> hear >> one.) >> >> Please send me to the Veterinary for shooting. >> >> Gra' >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From bwana747 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 20:10:11 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:10:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip In-Reply-To: <002201c4f7dd$70ef98c0$94e44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: You may want to try MCM electronics, Parts Express and other suppliers which cater to VCR repair techs. Another thing to try in the room where the c-clip flew off: Put a new, clean, unused dust bag on the vacuum cleaner. Vacuum the entire floor, around furniture legs and along the baseboards of that room only, then look in the bag. It's a long shot but cheaper and quicker than searching for a replacement part. If you have a large magnet you could move that across the floor nearest where you think the c-clip landed. Sometimes, if you can find some thin, tough, slippery sheet plastic (like nalgene) you can cut a tiny square of it with scissors, punch a small hole in it with a carpet tack or large needle, and then slip it over the metal shaft until the edges of the hole in the plastic slip-fit into the c-clip groove of the idler shaft. Support the back of the idler arm so that force you are exerting from forward of the idler arm (as opposed to the lateral force installing the a c-clip) doesn't bend or break it. Check for any binding and redo if any binding, drag or interference is noted. That way you'll be able to use your deck temporarily while searching for a replacement c-clip. Bob >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:52 -0000 > >Damn! I hate it when that happens ... tiny screws, other little things, >usually black but sometimes even bright red!! And where do they go? How >is it they just vanish, rarely ever to be seen again? I have a theory my >house is infested with Borrowers, who run out and nick stuff like that >before I can find them ... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ti Kan > > Sent: 11 January 2005 06:36 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire retaining E-clip > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was replacing the idler tire on a Pioneer CT-F1250 cassette deck, and > > the durn'ed retaining e-clip went flying when I got it off, never to be > > found again. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a > > replacement? > > I tried googling, but most places that have these are geared toward > > industrial customers and I don't need to buy hundreds or thousands > > of these... > > > > Ordinary local hardware stores don't carry anything that small. > > > > FYI, the idler shaft measures about 2mm in diameter. I don't know > > how deep the groove on the shaft (where the e-clip snaps into) is, > > but hopefully that is enough info to obtain a proper replacement... > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > Ti Kan > > http://www.amb.org/ti > > Vorsprung durch Technik > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 11 16:59:20 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:59:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050111105825.01aaeaa0@psulias.psu.edu> I didn't have a fancy pressing, it was the original release. The original CD was pretty much crap. I was hoping they would do Quadrophinia in SACD, but no luck yet. At 10:41 AM 1/11/2005, Mark Hugo wrote: >Hi Derirck, > >Wow, I have yet to hear a better version of Tommy by the Who than the >Simply Vinyl 200g pressing. I compared this side by side with the >German Polydor CD which lacked life and "snap" to be utterly kind. I >agree - the software is really important. > >I admit the replay systems were not really fair - the analogue version >was really fancy vs the Marantz CD17 KI. I certainly do look forward to >hearing the SACD - I can believe that this would get the job done!! > >Cheers, > >Marc > > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 01/11/05 04:35PM >>> >I can attest to a tremendous improvement in the Boston I SACD and Tommy > >SACD over the original vinyl. I don't have a Linn LP12, or anything >near >that glamorous, but a pretty good Dual 1228 and Ortofon X3MC cart. In > >retrospect, most of the CDs put out in the 80s were utter crap and I >can't >replace them fast enough. > > > >b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, >be > >it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are > >also very inconsistent in quality. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 17:03:49 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050111160349.83686.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I recently bought a quad of Electro Harmonix EL84s..and they really sound terrible. I immediately fit back my previous tubes, Amperex Bugle Boys. I really dont find the Russian sovteks musical. Electro Harmonixs are also Sovtek, but supposedly more suited for audio. Now there is the gold version of the EH types..never heard them.but I dont think they'd be much better. Worse are the chinese tubes, which sound bad and have some reliabilty problems. Back in the 90s though they were very popular. Its fully NOS here also, sporting Westinghouses, Amperex, Telefunkens, GE and so on.. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Bala! I'm full loaded with replacement for my tube/valve gear! & I never will acquired or fit to my american gear Russian tubes! Sorry I have plenty of those NOS ones! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) > >Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a >number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the >market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded >with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original >tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you >touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines >dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has >a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth >rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond >telefunken logo at the center of the pins. > >I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the >Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in >love madly with it. But tubes are different since they >never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, >and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their >amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Ed! > > > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in > > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in > > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. > > Mostly in Russia & > > China! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Edward Noyes > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 > > > > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that > > at least one specialty > > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the > > market to basically > > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, > > the demand will still > > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly > > became extinct a couple > > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of > > new tubes available from > > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten > > years. > > > > > >Ed > > > > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > > > >>Well Nelson, > > >> > > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the > > day > > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I > > for > > >>one, wont let that happen. > > >> > > >>Bala > > >>--- Nelson wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a > > Reel-to-reel. > > >>> > > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, > > please > > >>>switch out the lights. > > >>> > > >>>Gra' > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>professional tapes that are out of > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>but as I understand it, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape > > sources > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>still available from > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>other sources. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>Gra', > > >>>> > > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my > > understanding > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>that there are no > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > > >>>> > > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by > > Hanny > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>in Hong Kong have never > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>from India are the > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>perhaps not as good). > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year > > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape > > business > > >>>> and is now questionable > > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > > >>>> and has been gone for a while > > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least > > as > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>far > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> as tape is concerned > > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as > > of > > >>>> a year ago or so > > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm > > pretty > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>sure > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> they don't make it any more > > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > > >>>> > > >>>>Who did I leave out? > > >>>> > > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and > > Maxell > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>tapes seem to > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>be out of > > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>available new any more). > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Cheers? > > >>>> > > >>>>Richard > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >>> Register your Nak today! > > >>>http://www.naks.com/register > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 17:19:09 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:19:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050111161909.70628.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Shalom Alex, I got in my hands a original TD 126, which I fully rebuilt, http://www.geocities.com/mcbose1604/table.htm The picture is on the link above. The rega arm is also fully modified, with changed wiring, 22K gold plate shaped into cart clips, the bottom wire being teflon coated silver. The arm has an anti resonant damping collar, the vta spring defeated plus a few other modifications. And of course, the Lyra Clavis. I also played with a Thorens 125 which i rebuilt into a granite plinth with a Grace 707 arm and Stanton 980LZ cart. Now, I play my TD124 with the SME 3010 series 2 with a Micro Seiki cart for vocals. For more serious listening, i use a VPI TNT 5 with the 12 in. JMW arm and Lyra Helikon. Its fed into a silver step up trans which then takes the signal to a tube phono ( with the Telefunken) and a pre amp driven by a 6SN7 (Westinghouse). I really think the Thorens 125 and 124 have alot more character thought some dont find it suited to their taste. Regards, Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Shalom Bala! During the 70ties & 80ties a own a lot of Thorens tables, from the 125 Mk-1; after a 125 Mk-2 and the last one a 126 Mk-2, all using only SME 3009 series 2 in many versions with "Damping", fixed headshell, removabe headshell, and only on my last Thorens TD-126 MK-2 the SME arm taht till today I have with me...many years NOT used Series 3 last version! As today in use I have my vintage Technics a DD SL-120 with Rega RB-300 arm and Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge. This lovely and very reliable table was my change from Thorens during the earlier 80ties...of course at the beginning the SME series 3 and Shure Type 5 HE was the set, till once I received a Sumiko MMT arm, together with a Supex 900E Mc cartridge..this combination show me the great advantages of a MC type cartridge versus my Shure Type 5HE that I was using. From there I use ONLY MC type cartridges...stuck only on Ortofon brand. My ARC SP-9 series 2 accept directly MC cartridges...SO I do not need any Transformer or other additive. However...regarding bad CD sound...Bala try to listen the Top of the line Naim CDs #:2 or the newer 3..., SO...after that you may understand why I love the sound of those Naim's gear! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > > On the contrary, the 126 is a tough act to >follow. I'm not sure if Bart's table is still using >the old wooden plinth. I rebuilt my old 126 and it >wreaked havoc on a good digital front end. And I was >using a Rega RB300 with a Benz Micro Glider cart. But >I think the 124 and 125 is better. Thorens used a dc >motor with a correction system on the 126 Mk III which >didnt sound too good. > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Bart! > > > > Try to buy the CD Naim CDS-2 complete with his > > separate power supply! No > > cheap product...but...a superlitve one in listening > > pleasure. I had the > > oportunity to hear it on my best friend "ALL NAIM" > > gear owner!!! > > > > After so I'm 100% sure that you will enjoy your CD's > > again better that on > > your Thorens table! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: bart honhoff > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings > > >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:35 +0100 > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >In many respects my favourite recordings are: > > > > > >Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach works > > > > > >On Record, not CD's. > > > > > >Preferred Recordplayer: Thorens 126 SME 3009 on > > well calibrated Stanton 681 > > >EEE > > >connected to a Quad 33/303 to ESL 1956. > > > > > >I do own the CD's but they are a far cry from the > > records. > > >Non of my past or current CD players is able to get > > it right. > > > > > >(By the way, I do own a record of it made on my > > grumpy NAK 550, now 24 > > >years > > >old and well tempered.) > > > > > >bart > > > > > >By no coincedence a pianoplaying hobbyist. > > > > > >Quoting Fred Lifton : > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > this makes me think of something I've been > > meaning to ask for some > > > > time. 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Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 22:34:05 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:34:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] White Noise Message-ID: <518b7b105011113349bbf04f@mail.gmail.com> Guys, Has anyone seen the movie "White Noise" already ? I just saw the trailer and there seems to be a lot of tape recording equipment featured, both reel-to-reel and cassette, but couldn't catch any details. Has someone noticed anything juicy, maybe a Nak ? George From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 04:19:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:19:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stuff for Sale Message-ID: Shalom Derrick! For the Remote control of the Dragon how much you want from me? As I live in Israel! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Stuff for Sale >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:16:55 -0500 > >Hi all, > >got a line on what looks like a pretty nice Dragon, but to keep the wife >happy I'll probably be selling my CR-5 which is in excellent shape with new >idler tire, and my Yamaha KX-690 (Dolby S, 3 head, 3 motor, etc) which has >new belts and is in great shape except for a broken hinge on the control >cover. I can probably superglue it on, but it hasn't bothered me enough to >do it yet. >I'd ask $300 for the CR-5 and $200 for the Yammy (original package, >original manual and wireless remote control). > >Any interest? Thanks. > >Oh yea, I'll also have a Dragon remote to sell as well. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 04:26:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:26:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George Message-ID: SACD,,,means Super Audio Compact Disc? If yes...sorry we together (The whole Naim's gear owner...!) test the most expensive Sony Super Audio that is sell here in Israel versus his Naim CDS-2...SORRY!!!! The Naim eat completely in sound quality the Sony...with no pepper or other food additives!!! Viva Naim!!! They truly makes superlative sounding stuff! Have a nice working day and DRY!!!!! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Mark Hugo , george.valkov at gmail.com, >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings for George >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:59:20 -0500 > >I didn't have a fancy pressing, it was the original release. The original >CD was pretty much crap. I was hoping they would do Quadrophinia in SACD, >but no luck yet. > >At 10:41 AM 1/11/2005, Mark Hugo wrote: >>Hi Derirck, >> >>Wow, I have yet to hear a better version of Tommy by the Who than the >>Simply Vinyl 200g pressing. I compared this side by side with the >>German Polydor CD which lacked life and "snap" to be utterly kind. I >>agree - the software is really important. >> >>I admit the replay systems were not really fair - the analogue version >>was really fancy vs the Marantz CD17 KI. I certainly do look forward to >>hearing the SACD - I can believe that this would get the job done!! >> >>Cheers, >> >>Marc >> >> >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 01/11/05 04:35PM >>> >>I can attest to a tremendous improvement in the Boston I SACD and Tommy >> >>SACD over the original vinyl. I don't have a Linn LP12, or anything >>near >>that glamorous, but a pretty good Dual 1228 and Ortofon X3MC cart. In >> >>retrospect, most of the CDs put out in the 80s were utter crap and I >>can't >>replace them fast enough. >> >> >> >b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, >>be >> >it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are >> >also very inconsistent in quality. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >>to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >>more >>attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >>of the >>named recipient/s. >> >>If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >>disclose >>or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >>reliance on it. >>If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >>replying to >>this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >>computer. >> >>All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >>present >>in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >>damage arising >>from the use of this email or attachments. > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions >Yes, you read that right! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 04:48:53 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:48:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex Message-ID: Shalom Mike! As I can understand such CD Chinese player use tubes...Try to exchanged by NOS European tubes (May be expensive...HOWEVER!!!!), I'm 100% sure that the sound will be definitively better! Inform us your results! ALEX! >From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:08:31 -0500 > > >For those who might have an interest, The Shanling SCD-T200 works extremely >well with both a Dragon and CR-7A. If the quality of the CD is good, the >recording made >with the CR-7A is, to my untrained ears, difficult to distinguish from the >CD. The tube output >seems to slightly warm the CD, if the CD has been recorded with any >harshness, particularly >in the upper end. Much like the Dragon sound, to me. I haven't tried any >tube rolling through >the Shanling, and would be very interested if any Nak owners have done this >and what >the results were. >Mike, Atlanta GA > >>>From: "Nelson" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best recordings for .... Alex >>>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:55:28 -0000 >>> >>>Alex >>> >>>Yes, of course - by Linn, not Naim - it's my age (and state of health!) >>>making me rather forgetful!! Plus, apart from the Isobariks, I've never >>>been a great fan of Naim and Linn anyway altho' I do hear (from other >>>sources than yourself) that the Naim CD5X/Flatcap 2 is a fine player. >>>(However, I notice that Hi Fi World rate the similarly priced Shanling >>>SCD-T200C even higher, and THAT at the official import version, which is >>>at >>>least twice the cost of a grey import direct from China. I'd love to >>>hear >>>one.) >>> >>>Please send me to the Veterinary for shooting. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 04:44:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:44:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: Shalom Bala! Specifically my ARC SP-9 Mk-2 uses two 6Dj8 6922 7308 which I have I stock more that 15 pairs all NOS Philips - Amperex (Philips made in US), Valvo - Siemens and some RCA (Also Siemens...as RCA NEVER made 6922 ever), all were Germans Siemens. My lovely Dynaco power Stereo 70 also series 2 unit use 4 EL-34 I had 4 quads RCA (Mullard from UK NOS) and 6GH8A drivers I receive 10 NOS RCA from a friend. From my passed away Dad I own his ECC-81/82/83 collection... that specifically today I don't need . So as I wrote you my dear Bala till I will close my eyes (I'm 61 years old), I'm full loaded with replacement tubes for my tube/valve gear. Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > > I recently bought a quad of Electro Harmonix EL84s..and they really >sound terrible. I immediately fit back my previous tubes, Amperex Bugle >Boys. I really dont find the Russian sovteks musical. Electro Harmonixs are >also Sovtek, but supposedly more suited for audio. Now there is the gold >version of the EH types..never heard them.but I dont think they'd be much >better. Worse are the chinese tubes, which sound bad and have some >reliabilty problems. Back in the 90s though they were very popular. Its >fully NOS here also, sporting Westinghouses, Amperex, Telefunkens, GE and >so on.. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >I'm full loaded with replacement for my tube/valve gear! & I never will >acquired or fit to my american gear Russian tubes! Sorry I have plenty of >those NOS ones! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) > > > >Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a > >number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the > >market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded > >with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original > >tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you > >touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines > >dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has > >a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth > >rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond > >telefunken logo at the center of the pins. > > > >I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the > >Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in > >love madly with it. But tubes are different since they > >never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, > >and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their > >amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom Ed! > > > > > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in > > > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in > > > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. > > > Mostly in Russia & > > > China! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Edward Noyes > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 > > > > > > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that > > > at least one specialty > > > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the > > > market to basically > > > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, > > > the demand will still > > > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly > > > became extinct a couple > > > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of > > > new tubes available from > > > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten > > > years. > > > > > > > >Ed > > > > > > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > > > > > >>Well Nelson, > > > >> > > > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the > > > day > > > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I > > > for > > > >>one, wont let that happen. > > > >> > > > >>Bala > > > >>--- Nelson wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a > > > Reel-to-reel. > > > >>> > > > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, > > > please > > > >>>switch out the lights. > > > >>> > > > >>>Gra' > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>-----Original Message----- > > > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > > > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 > > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>professional tapes that are out of > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>but as I understand it, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape > > > sources > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>still available from > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>other sources. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>Gra', > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my > > > understanding > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>that there are no > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by > > > Hanny > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>in Hong Kong have never > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>from India are the > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>perhaps not as good). > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then > > > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year > > > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy > > > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape > > > business > > > >>>> and is now questionable > > > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices > > > >>>> and has been gone for a while > > > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least > > > as > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>far > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> as tape is concerned > > > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as > > > of > > > >>>> a year ago or so > > > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm > > > pretty > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>sure > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> they don't make it any more > > > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Who did I leave out? > > > >>>> > > > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and > > > Maxell > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>tapes seem to > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>be out of > > > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>available new any more). > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>Cheers? > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Richard > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Register your Nak today! > > > >>>http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 21:54:40 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:54:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings Message-ID: Mark: I have a pair of KEF 107's simply amazing......I gilded the Lilly so to speak...I special ordered a balanced Qube from KEF UK about 13 years ago....the best.. >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:36:38 +0200 > >That's got to be the post of the day Bart..... > >I think your missus has great taste - I don't think very many Receiver >1s were built - just my impression. I have never seen many for sale. >This means that either they are rare (please read desirable) or they are >great to own (please read desirable). I too have a Cassette Deck One, >and in the absence of a missus, Iove it dearly although it cooks badly >to say the least. I also heard that the CD2 was they buy of the range, >not in fact the CD I and as for the KEF Ref 104s - well they are simply >excellent, utterly accurate speakers. > >And have you got this all hooked to behave properly through the >Receiver's remote? > >Cheers, > >Marc > > >>> bhonhoff at dds.nl 01/11/05 04:19PM >>> >Hi Alex, > >being not such a rich or high paid man I spent all my money on buying >and >maintaining Naks, which made almost no money available for NAIM and >others. >Living in a house, where you can hear the neighbours clock tick, I'm >currently >listening to Nakamichi Receiver 1, CD player 2 and a Recorder 1 on a >KEF 104ab. > >Why? Because the misses loves the Receiver 1! >Not because the owned Quads and B&Ws are wrong, but they are not as >convenient. >And I love my misses more than the Naks! (Because the CR7, CR4 or other >10 Naks >cannot cook! to start with) > >regards, > >bart > >Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > Dear Bart! > > > > Sorry but i don't agreed!!! > > > > Newer and more expensive as the CDS Mk-2 or the newer > > Mk-3 are much...much better sounding that the first CDS or the >cheaper > > models as CDX-1 or something named today 5 etc...! > > > > Can be...that Naim's source LOVES...,Naim's pre & power as an a >complete > > set...SO will match together exactly as must be...I hear ALL complete >Naim's > > less the speakers that my friend select the ProAc 3.8 and NOT the >Naim's > > speaker line...whatever...the sound is one sole word...SUPERB. > > > > Contine having a nice day! > > > > ALEX! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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As I live >in Israel! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > >>From: Derrick Beckner >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >>naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Stuff for Sale >>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:16:55 -0500 >> >>Hi all, >> >>got a line on what looks like a pretty nice Dragon, but to keep the wife >>happy I'll probably be selling my CR-5 which is in excellent shape with >>new idler tire, and my Yamaha KX-690 (Dolby S, 3 head, 3 motor, etc) which >>has new belts and is in great shape except for a broken hinge on the >>control cover. I can probably superglue it on, but it hasn't bothered me >>enough to do it yet. >>I'd ask $300 for the CR-5 and $200 for the Yammy (original package, >>original manual and wireless remote control). >> >>Any interest? Thanks. >> >>Oh yea, I'll also have a Dragon remote to sell as well. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 04:56:02 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:56:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: What is your e-mail....I want to speak in our native tongue.Yiddish. >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:44:00 +0200 > >Shalom Bala! > >Specifically my ARC SP-9 Mk-2 uses two 6Dj8 6922 7308 which I have I stock >more that 15 pairs all NOS Philips - Amperex (Philips made in US), Valvo - >Siemens and some RCA (Also Siemens...as RCA NEVER made 6922 ever), all were >Germans Siemens. >My lovely Dynaco power Stereo 70 also series 2 unit use 4 EL-34 I had 4 >quads RCA (Mullard from UK NOS) and 6GH8A drivers I receive 10 NOS RCA from >a friend. From my passed away Dad I own his ECC-81/82/83 collection... that >specifically today I don't need . > >So as I wrote you my dear Bala till I will close my eyes (I'm 61 years >old), I'm full loaded with replacement tubes for my tube/valve gear. > >Have a nice day! > >ALEX! > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) >> >>Hi Alex, >> >> I recently bought a quad of Electro Harmonix EL84s..and they >>really sound terrible. I immediately fit back my previous tubes, Amperex >>Bugle Boys. I really dont find the Russian sovteks musical. Electro >>Harmonixs are also Sovtek, but supposedly more suited for audio. Now there >>is the gold version of the EH types..never heard them.but I dont think >>they'd be much better. Worse are the chinese tubes, which sound bad and >>have some reliabilty problems. Back in the 90s though they were very >>popular. Its fully NOS here also, sporting Westinghouses, Amperex, >>Telefunkens, GE and so on.. >> >>Bala >> >>Alex Cozac wrote: >>Dear Bala! >> >>I'm full loaded with replacement for my tube/valve gear! & I never will >>acquired or fit to my american gear Russian tubes! Sorry I have plenty of >>those NOS ones! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >> >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) >> > >> >Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a >> >number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the >> >market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded >> >with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original >> >tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you >> >touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines >> >dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has >> >a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth >> >rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond >> >telefunken logo at the center of the pins. >> > >> >I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the >> >Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in >> >love madly with it. But tubes are different since they >> >never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, >> >and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their >> >amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. >> > >> >Bala >> >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >> > >> > > Shalom Ed! >> > > >> > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in >> > > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in >> > > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. >> > > Mostly in Russia & >> > > China! >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > ALEX! >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >From: Edward Noyes >> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >> > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 >> > > > >> > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that >> > > at least one specialty >> > > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the >> > > market to basically >> > > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, >> > > the demand will still >> > > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly >> > > became extinct a couple >> > > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of >> > > new tubes available from >> > > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten >> > > years. >> > > > >> > > >Ed >> > > > >> > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > > > >> > > >>Well Nelson, >> > > >> >> > > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the >> > > day >> > > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I >> > > for >> > > >>one, wont let that happen. >> > > >> >> > > >>Bala >> > > >>--- Nelson wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a >> > > Reel-to-reel. >> > > >>> >> > > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, >> > > please >> > > >>>switch out the lights. >> > > >>> >> > > >>>Gra' >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- >> > > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess >> > > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 >> > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>professional tapes that are out of >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>but as I understand it, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape >> > > sources >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>still available from >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>>other sources. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>Gra', >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my >> > > understanding >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>that there are no >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by >> > > Hanny >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>in Hong Kong have never >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>from India are the >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>perhaps not as good). >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then >> > > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year >> > > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy >> > > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape >> > > business >> > > >>>> and is now questionable >> > > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices >> > > >>>> and has been gone for a while >> > > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least >> > > as >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>far >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> as tape is concerned >> > > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as >> > > of >> > > >>>> a year ago or so >> > > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm >> > > pretty >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>sure >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> they don't make it any more >> > > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>Who did I leave out? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and >> > > Maxell >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>tapes seem to >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>be out of >> > > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>available new any more). >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>Cheers? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>Richard >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> Register your Nak today! >> > > >>>http://www.naks.com/register >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com >> > > mailinglist >> > > >>>Maintain your account here: >> > > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> >=== message truncated === >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >__________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 10:59:39 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:59:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b1050112015944432b34@mail.gmail.com> Alex, The most expensive Sony SACD player in Israel is not necessarily a good SACD player. In fact, despite being co-developers of the format, Sony SACD machines leave a lot to be desired - except for their two top models, the SCD-1 (not 100% about the model) and the 777ES. And if you used a badly produced SACD, which unfortunately are the majority of the current SACD catalog, no wonder the Naim destroyed the Sony. In fact I have stopped thinking of Sony as high-end gear several years ago. To try and keep on topic -:), the Naim is good but is definitely not the Nakamichi Dragon of CD players. And I wouldn't even dare mention Sony in the same sentence -:) George P.S. Alex, what's all this "DRY!!!" thing about ? On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:26:39 +0200, Alex Cozac wrote: > SACD,,,means Super Audio Compact Disc? > > If yes...sorry we together (The whole Naim's gear owner...!) test the most > expensive Sony Super Audio that is sell here in Israel versus his Naim > CDS-2...SORRY!!!! The Naim eat completely in sound quality the Sony...with > no pepper or other food additives!!! Viva Naim!!! They truly makes > superlative sounding stuff! > > Have a nice working day and DRY!!!!! > > ALEX! > > >From: Derrick Beckner > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Mark Hugo , george.valkov at gmail.com, > >naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best recordings for George > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:59:20 -0500 > > > >I didn't have a fancy pressing, it was the original release. The original > >CD was pretty much crap. I was hoping they would do Quadrophinia in SACD, > >but no luck yet. > > > >At 10:41 AM 1/11/2005, Mark Hugo wrote: > >>Hi Derirck, > >> > >>Wow, I have yet to hear a better version of Tommy by the Who than the > >>Simply Vinyl 200g pressing. I compared this side by side with the > >>German Polydor CD which lacked life and "snap" to be utterly kind. I > >>agree - the software is really important. > >> > >>I admit the replay systems were not really fair - the analogue version > >>was really fancy vs the Marantz CD17 KI. I certainly do look forward to > >>hearing the SACD - I can believe that this would get the job done!! > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>Marc > >> > >> >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 01/11/05 04:35PM >>> > >>I can attest to a tremendous improvement in the Boston I SACD and Tommy > >> > >>SACD over the original vinyl. I don't have a Linn LP12, or anything > >>near > >>that glamorous, but a pretty good Dual 1228 and Ortofon X3MC cart. In > >> > >>retrospect, most of the CDs put out in the 80s were utter crap and I > >>can't > >>replace them fast enough. > >> > >> > >> >b) I would like to reiterate that all depends on the software used, > >>be > >> >it LP or CD. Actually the best results I get from SACD, but they are > >> >also very inconsistent in quality. > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > >>to legal privilege. 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Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 12:49:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:49:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? Message-ID: Shalom Neil! Sorry I don't speak Yiddish, as I was born in Peru, may native language is Spanish. Your earlier mail you write that I have plenty of "Gelt" Money...what you really mean? I love to own such Dragon's remote controller...So what!!!? Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:56:02 -0500 > >Alex: > >What is your e-mail....I want to speak in our native tongue.Yiddish. > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:44:00 +0200 >> >>Shalom Bala! >> >>Specifically my ARC SP-9 Mk-2 uses two 6Dj8 6922 7308 which I have I stock >>more that 15 pairs all NOS Philips - Amperex (Philips made in US), Valvo - >>Siemens and some RCA (Also Siemens...as RCA NEVER made 6922 ever), all >>were Germans Siemens. >>My lovely Dynaco power Stereo 70 also series 2 unit use 4 EL-34 I had 4 >>quads RCA (Mullard from UK NOS) and 6GH8A drivers I receive 10 NOS RCA >>from a friend. From my passed away Dad I own his ECC-81/82/83 >>collection... that specifically today I don't need . >> >>So as I wrote you my dear Bala till I will close my eyes (I'm 61 years >>old), I'm full loaded with replacement tubes for my tube/valve gear. >> >>Have a nice day! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Hi Alex, >>> >>> I recently bought a quad of Electro Harmonix EL84s..and they >>>really sound terrible. I immediately fit back my previous tubes, Amperex >>>Bugle Boys. I really dont find the Russian sovteks musical. Electro >>>Harmonixs are also Sovtek, but supposedly more suited for audio. Now >>>there is the gold version of the EH types..never heard them.but I dont >>>think they'd be much better. Worse are the chinese tubes, which sound bad >>>and have some reliabilty problems. Back in the 90s though they were very >>>popular. Its fully NOS here also, sporting Westinghouses, Amperex, >>>Telefunkens, GE and so on.. >>> >>>Bala >>> >>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>Dear Bala! >>> >>>I'm full loaded with replacement for my tube/valve gear! & I never will >>>acquired or fit to my american gear Russian tubes! Sorry I have plenty of >>>those NOS ones! >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>> >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) >>> > >>> >Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a >>> >number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the >>> >market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded >>> >with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original >>> >tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you >>> >touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines >>> >dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has >>> >a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth >>> >rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond >>> >telefunken logo at the center of the pins. >>> > >>> >I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the >>> >Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in >>> >love madly with it. But tubes are different since they >>> >never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, >>> >and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their >>> >amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. >>> > >>> >Bala >>> >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> > >>> > > Shalom Ed! >>> > > >>> > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in >>> > > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in >>> > > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. >>> > > Mostly in Russia & >>> > > China! >>> > > >>> > > Cheers, >>> > > >>> > > ALEX! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >From: Edward Noyes >>> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > > >>> > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > > >>> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>> > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 >>> > > > >>> > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that >>> > > at least one specialty >>> > > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the >>> > > market to basically >>> > > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, >>> > > the demand will still >>> > > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly >>> > > became extinct a couple >>> > > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of >>> > > new tubes available from >>> > > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten >>> > > years. >>> > > > >>> > > >Ed >>> > > > >>> > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > >>Well Nelson, >>> > > >> >>> > > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the >>> > > day >>> > > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I >>> > > for >>> > > >>one, wont let that happen. >>> > > >> >>> > > >>Bala >>> > > >>--- Nelson wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a >>> > > Reel-to-reel. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, >>> > > please >>> > > >>>switch out the lights. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>Gra' >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- >>> > > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess >>> > > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 >>> > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>professional tapes that are out of >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>but as I understand it, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape >>> > > sources >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>still available from >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>>other sources. >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>Gra', >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my >>> > > understanding >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>that there are no >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by >>> > > Hanny >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>in Hong Kong have never >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>from India are the >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>perhaps not as good). >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then >>> > > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year >>> > > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy >>> > > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape >>> > > business >>> > > >>>> and is now questionable >>> > > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices >>> > > >>>> and has been gone for a while >>> > > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least >>> > > as >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>far >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>> as tape is concerned >>> > > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as >>> > > of >>> > > >>>> a year ago or so >>> > > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm >>> > > pretty >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>sure >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>> they don't make it any more >>> > > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>Who did I leave out? >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and >>> > > Maxell >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>tapes seem to >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>be out of >>> > > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>available new any more). >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>>Cheers? >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>Richard >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> > >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Register your Nak today! >>> > > >>>http://www.naks.com/register >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> > >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>> > > mailinglist >>> > > >>>Maintain your account here: >>> > > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > > >>> >=== message truncated === >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >__________________________________ >>> >Do you Yahoo!? >>> >Yahoo! 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From michael_martorana at lineone.net Wed Jan 12 12:50:40 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:50:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OEM and Third Party Naks Message-ID: <41BAB9CB0006BE1E@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi fellow Nakkes, I was on the Naks web site and noticed that Nakamichi use to made cassstte recorders for other manufactures eg Onkyo, Sylvania, Sonab, HK etc. Were these just rebaged Nakamichis or were they based on a specific Nakamichi model(s). Did they sound as good as a real Nakamichi and could they be used as spare parts to keep our Naks going? Cheers to all Michael ___________________________________________________________ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 15:13:26 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice to have gelt! >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:49:29 +0200 > >Shalom Neil! > >Sorry I don't speak Yiddish, as I was born in Peru, may native language is >Spanish. > >Your earlier mail you write that I have plenty of "Gelt" Money...what you >really mean? >I love to own such Dragon's remote controller...So what!!!? > >Have a nice day! > >ALEX! > > > >>From: "neil lipes" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:56:02 -0500 >> >>Alex: >> >>What is your e-mail....I want to speak in our native tongue.Yiddish. >> >>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:44:00 +0200 >>> >>>Shalom Bala! >>> >>>Specifically my ARC SP-9 Mk-2 uses two 6Dj8 6922 7308 which I have I >>>stock more that 15 pairs all NOS Philips - Amperex (Philips made in US), >>>Valvo - Siemens and some RCA (Also Siemens...as RCA NEVER made 6922 >>>ever), all were Germans Siemens. >>>My lovely Dynaco power Stereo 70 also series 2 unit use 4 EL-34 I had 4 >>>quads RCA (Mullard from UK NOS) and 6GH8A drivers I receive 10 NOS RCA >>>from a friend. From my passed away Dad I own his ECC-81/82/83 >>>collection... that specifically today I don't need . >>> >>>So as I wrote you my dear Bala till I will close my eyes (I'm 61 years >>>old), I'm full loaded with replacement tubes for my tube/valve gear. >>> >>>Have a nice day! >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) >>>> >>>>Hi Alex, >>>> >>>> I recently bought a quad of Electro Harmonix EL84s..and they >>>>really sound terrible. I immediately fit back my previous tubes, Amperex >>>>Bugle Boys. I really dont find the Russian sovteks musical. Electro >>>>Harmonixs are also Sovtek, but supposedly more suited for audio. Now >>>>there is the gold version of the EH types..never heard them.but I dont >>>>think they'd be much better. Worse are the chinese tubes, which sound >>>>bad and have some reliabilty problems. Back in the 90s though they were >>>>very popular. Its fully NOS here also, sporting Westinghouses, Amperex, >>>>Telefunkens, GE and so on.. >>>> >>>>Bala >>>> >>>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>Dear Bala! >>>> >>>>I'm full loaded with replacement for my tube/valve gear! & I never will >>>>acquired or fit to my american gear Russian tubes! Sorry I have plenty >>>>of >>>>those NOS ones! >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>> >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) >>>> > >>>> >Yes. And speaking of German tubes, I've been told a >>>> >number of fake Telefunken tubes have entered the >>>> >market. They are actually sovtek tubes and branded >>>> >with the Telefunken logo in Hong Kong. The original >>>> >tube, has the older style ink which can crumble if you >>>> >touch it. The top of the tube also has four lines >>>> >dividing the tube into four quaters. The fake tube has >>>> >a ink which can resist finger nails and has a smooth >>>> >rounded top. I'm not sure if they spot the diamond >>>> >telefunken logo at the center of the pins. >>>> > >>>> >I dont know why I am telling all this guys, but the >>>> >Telefunken tube on my phono stage has made me fall in >>>> >love madly with it. But tubes are different since they >>>> >never died. They were still in full swing in Russia, >>>> >and when the rest of the world needed tubes for their >>>> >amps in the 90s onwards, Russia was there, ready. >>>> > >>>> >Bala >>>> >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Shalom Ed! >>>> > > >>>> > > Concerning the tubes, only they are made in >>>> > > Yugoslavia (Slovenia) & in >>>> > > Cheskolovakia, No more East Germany to my knowledge. >>>> > > Mostly in Russia & >>>> > > China! >>>> > > >>>> > > Cheers, >>>> > > >>>> > > ALEX! >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >From: Edward Noyes >>>> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > > >>>> > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > > >>>> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>> > > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:52 -0500 >>>> > > > >>>> > > >As with most things like this, I would imagine that >>>> > > at least one specialty >>>> > > >manufacturer will resume production or enter the >>>> > > market to basically >>>> > > >service the entire industry. While highly reduced, >>>> > > the demand will still >>>> > > >motivate manufacturing. Look at tubes which nearly >>>> > > became extinct a couple >>>> > > >of decades ago. Now we have a greater variety of >>>> > > new tubes available from >>>> > > >Eastern Europe than at any time in the last ten >>>> > > years. >>>> > > > >>>> > > >Ed >>>> > > > >>>> > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>Well Nelson, >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> The world would miss out on a legacy the >>>> > > day >>>> > > >>those lights are going to be switched out. By I >>>> > > for >>>> > > >>one, wont let that happen. >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >>Bala >>>> > > >>--- Nelson wrote: >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >>>Thanks Richard - I shan't be buying a >>>> > > Reel-to-reel. >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>Well, that's that, then - last one to leave, >>>> > > please >>>> > > >>>switch out the lights. >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>Gra' >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> > > >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>Behalf Of Richard L. Hess >>>> > > >>>>Sent: 09 January 2005 19:27 >>>> > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank tape stocks? >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>At 02:09 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, Nelson wrote: >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>>My impression was that it is the wide >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>professional tapes that are out of >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>>production from Quantegy. Correct me if wrong >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>but as I understand it, >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>>there are still good domestic R-2-R tape >>>> > > sources >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>still available from >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>>other sources. >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>>> >>>> > > >>>>Gra', >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>Unless Quantegy comes back, it's my >>>> > > understanding >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>that there are no >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>professional tapes in the 1/4"-2" width. >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>The Radio Shack tapes that are/were made by >>>> > > Hanny >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>in Hong Kong have never >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>gained wide acceptance as quality tapes. The JAI >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>from India are the >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>old-style red-oxide tapes (like Scotch 111, and >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>perhaps not as good). >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>Agfa was acquired by BASF, then >>>> > > >>>> BASF became EMTEC and died last year >>>> > > >>>>AMPEX owned and then spun off Quantegy >>>> > > >>>> which also acquired 3M/Scotch's tape >>>> > > business >>>> > > >>>> and is now questionable >>>> > > >>>>Capitol Magnetics acquired the old Audio Devices >>>> > > >>>> and has been gone for a while >>>> > > >>>>Zonal left this world a few years ago--at least >>>> > > as >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>far >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>> as tape is concerned >>>> > > >>>>Maxell has stopped making reel to reel tape as >>>> > > of >>>> > > >>>> a year ago or so >>>> > > >>>>Sony tape has had lots of problems and I'm >>>> > > pretty >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>sure >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>> they don't make it any more >>>> > > >>>>I don't think TDK makes reel tape any more >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>Who did I leave out? >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>As far as cassettes go, the premium TDK and >>>> > > Maxell >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>tapes seem to >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>be out of >>>> > > >>>>production (I don't even think Maxell XL-IIS is >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>available new any more). >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>>Cheers? >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>>Richard >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> Register your Nak today! >>>> > > >>>http://www.naks.com/register >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>> > > mailinglist >>>> > > >>>Maintain your account here: >>>> > > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > > >>>> >=== message truncated === >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >__________________________________ >>>> >Do you Yahoo!? >>>> >Yahoo! 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 12 16:09:46 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050112015944432b34@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b1050112015944432b34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050112100803.0199a2a8@psulias.psu.edu> I have the Philips 963SA which got rave reviews then disappeared off the face of the earth. Excellent Red Book player as well. I prefer it over my NAD C541 HDCD for red book. Am thinking if buying an OMS-7 CD player. I've heard wonderful things about the sound, and they can be had real cheap these days. At 04:59 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote: >Alex, > >The most expensive Sony SACD player in Israel is not necessarily a >good SACD player. In fact, despite being co-developers of the format, >Sony SACD machines leave a lot to be desired - except for their two >top models, the SCD-1 (not 100% about the model) and the 777ES. And if >you used a badly produced SACD, which unfortunately are the majority >of the current SACD catalog, no wonder the Naim destroyed the Sony. In >fact I have stopped thinking of Sony as high-end gear several years >ago. > >To try and keep on topic -:), the Naim is good but is definitely not >the Nakamichi Dragon of CD players. And I wouldn't even dare mention >Sony in the same sentence -:) > >George From bhonhoff at dds.nl Wed Jan 12 17:30:09 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:30:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OEM and Third Party Naks In-Reply-To: <41BAB9CB0006BE1E@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <41BAB9CB0006BE1E@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1105547409.41e55091bb67d@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Michael, I only know of the sibblings of the Naka 350 and 500 ;-) (The) Fisher had a spinoff the 350 mechanism and used their own electronics. They first had a non-Dolby (B) version and later replaced the Stereo/Mono switch with the Dolby switch. Both didn't have a ChromDioxid (Type II) switch. I'll try to put a picture of one of those on my website shortly. Sonab and Harman Kardon had a kind of spinoff of the 500 mechanics with their own electronics. Sonab had also a third mic-port and both were also top- loaders, like the 500. Sonab had a kind of Design and fitted real well in their series of Audio Equipment. The HK looked more like the 'normal' top-loading Cassetterecorders at that time like the famous TEAC 360. Both were tested really well in Holland. (The Nakamichi 500 was never sold here, unlike the 550 which has been on the sales-list for more than 10 years and was sold in the end for 1550 guilders (roughly around $700)) You might find some pictures of either one of them elsewhere on the web. regards, bart honhoff Quoting michael_martorana at lineone.net: > Hi fellow Nakkes, > > I was on the Naks web site and noticed that Nakamichi use to made cassstte > recorders for other manufactures eg Onkyo, Sylvania, Sonab, HK etc. Were > these just rebaged Nakamichis or were they based on a specific Nakamichi > model(s). Did they sound as good as a real Nakamichi and could they be > used as spare parts to keep our Naks going? > > Cheers to all > > Michael > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. > Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ > Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 19:23:04 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:23:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050112100803.0199a2a8@psulias.psu.edu> References: <518b7b1050112015944432b34@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050112100803.0199a2a8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b105011210231b9315b3@mail.gmail.com> Derrick, That is an excellent player. Ed Meitner actually used it as a platform and sold it as a transport (after heavily modifying it) until he developed and started producing his own EMM Labs SDCD transport. George On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:46 -0500, Derrick Beckner wrote: > I have the Philips 963SA which got rave reviews then disappeared off the > face of the earth. Excellent Red Book player as well. I prefer it over my > NAD C541 HDCD for red book. Am thinking if buying an OMS-7 CD > player. I've heard wonderful things about the sound, and they can be had > real cheap these days. > > At 04:59 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote: > >Alex, > > > >The most expensive Sony SACD player in Israel is not necessarily a > >good SACD player. In fact, despite being co-developers of the format, > >Sony SACD machines leave a lot to be desired - except for their two > >top models, the SCD-1 (not 100% about the model) and the 777ES. And if > >you used a badly produced SACD, which unfortunately are the majority > >of the current SACD catalog, no wonder the Naim destroyed the Sony. In > >fact I have stopped thinking of Sony as high-end gear several years > >ago. > > > >To try and keep on topic -:), the Naim is good but is definitely not > >the Nakamichi Dragon of CD players. And I wouldn't even dare mention > >Sony in the same sentence -:) > > > >George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 20:09:08 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OEM and Third Party Naks Message-ID: Shalom my Friends! Once I own a 500 and the same machine under Sonab brand...The Sonab was EXACTLY a Nak. 500 BUT with rounded meter window! Cheers, ALEX! >From: bart honhoff >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OEM and Third Party Naks >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:30:09 +0100 > >Hi Michael, > >I only know of the sibblings of the Naka 350 and 500 ;-) > >(The) Fisher had a spinoff the 350 mechanism and used their own >electronics. >They first had a non-Dolby (B) version and later replaced the Stereo/Mono >switch with the Dolby switch. Both didn't have a ChromDioxid (Type II) >switch. >I'll try to put a picture of one of those on my website shortly. > >Sonab and Harman Kardon had a kind of spinoff of the 500 mechanics with >their >own electronics. Sonab had also a third mic-port and both were also top- >loaders, like the 500. Sonab had a kind of Design and fitted real well in >their >series of Audio Equipment. The HK looked more like the 'normal' top-loading >Cassetterecorders at that time like the famous TEAC 360. Both were tested >really well in Holland. (The Nakamichi 500 was never sold here, unlike the >550 >which has been on the sales-list for more than 10 years and was sold in the >end >for 1550 guilders (roughly around $700)) You might find some pictures of >either >one of them elsewhere on the web. > >regards, > >bart honhoff > >Quoting michael_martorana at lineone.net: > > > Hi fellow Nakkes, > > > > I was on the Naks web site and noticed that Nakamichi use to made >cassstte > > recorders for other manufactures eg Onkyo, Sylvania, Sonab, HK etc. >Were > > these just rebaged Nakamichis or were they based on a specific Nakamichi > > model(s). Did they sound as good as a real Nakamichi and could they be > > used as spare parts to keep our Naks going? > > > > Cheers to all > > > > Michael > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. > > Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ > > Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Jan 13 02:04:27 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:04:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks Message-ID: <910-41E5C91B-828@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of venerable nakkkers from the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for "Steven",or "Ron", or "Carlos" to return with their expert and invaluable insight into the world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you ... to help educate the unlearned such as myself. You are the "shephards" to guide the flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my shephard.(Shaaaane..Come Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) thank you very much, gerald From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Jan 13 02:50:25 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:50:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George Message-ID: <909-41E5D3E1-1077@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> re; Nak om-s 7 CD Player....i have one in excellent condition and it sounds great.As many of you already know,the transport on this cd player is unparalled,although it skips like a junkie at the least provocation!The basic problem,as i understand it,is that this unit cannot be modifed to accept a digital output for a outboard DAAC.Ths is the final word from the great Steven Sank.I do have one technichian who wants me to send him a schematic,as he specialises in developing digi-out circiuts.Steven loves this transport . He(Steven) recently offerd to modify my machine to accept cdr's .From a great recent post i have learned that this mod excludes certain regular cd's- so i am waiting on definitive info. before proceeding.All I know is that my OM7-S looks great next to my RX-303. thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 13 02:49:05 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:49:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <910-41E5C91B-828@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002d01c4f912$10a828c0$cd974c51@oemcomputer> Gee, pard'ner, but I think both Carlos and Steven have ridden off into the Sunset, and Ron ... he didn't. He got shoved off the film set! The system excluded him from membership of Naktalk AND AudioTalk. And with our Emmy award winner gone, let's see who will volunteer to take up his mantle for the next Nak Marathon ... Any volunteers??? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 13 January 2005 01:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] hi folks > > > hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of venerable nakkkers from > the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for "Steven",or "Ron", or > "Carlos" to return with their expert and invaluable insight into the > world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you ... to help educate > the unlearned such as myself. You are the "shephards" to guide the > flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my shephard.(Shaaaane..Come > Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From icarus6 at telusplanet.net Wed Jan 12 16:45:52 2005 From: icarus6 at telusplanet.net (Stanley Waterman) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:45:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape story References: Message-ID: <000901c4f8bd$cc745560$53b57ec7@ab.hsia.telus.net> Tale of the Tape: Audiophiles Bemoan The End of the Reel As Quantegy Shuts Plant, Purists Snap Up Supply; NASA Feels the Crunch By ETHAN SMITH and SARAH MCBRIDE Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL January 12, 2005; Page A1 Jeff Tweedy, leader of the rock group Wilco, prefers to record music on reel-to-reel tape rather than on the digital equipment that has overtaken the music industry. Purists like him think it confers a warmth and richness to recordings that a computer cannot. But last Friday, Mr. Tweedy hit a snag as he prepared for a session in Wilco's Chicago studio space: Nobody could find any of the professional-grade audio tape the band is accustomed to using. "I was under the impression that there was a shortage of tape in Chicago," Mr. Tweedy says. What he didn't yet realize was that the shortage is global. Quantegy Inc., which may be the last company in the world still manufacturing the high-quality tape, abruptly shut down its Opelika, Ala., plant on Dec. 31, leaving audiophiles in the lurch. Quantegy filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Monday and hopes a restructuring will eventually revive its operations. But its future is uncertain, inasmuch as demand also is dwindling for its videotape. The news has set off a frantic scramble in the music industry as producers and studios seek to secure as much Quantegy tape as possible. By the middle of last week, most suppliers around the country had sold out their entire stocks of reel-to-reel audio tape. The supply that remained came at prices rapidly escalating above the usual $140-per-reel wholesale price of Quantegy 2-inch tape. Walter Sear, a prominent New York studio owner, quickly snapped up 60 or 70 reels, some at prices that had ballooned by as much as 40%. "We'll have to change our approach to life without tape," Mr. Sear says. Quantegy is hearing from customers all over the world trying to secure the professional-grade tape. A Japanese musician e-mailed from Tokyo, eager to get more for a recording session. Richard Lindenmuth, Quantegy's president and chief executive, says he'll try to help. Some customers are trying to organize their own bailouts of his company. Andrew Kautz, president of the Society of Professional Audio Recording Services, called Mr. Lindenmuth Friday hoping to get a one-time special order, a request Mr. Lindenmuth is considering. The crunch reaches far beyond the recording industry. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration uses Quantegy tape on its space shuttles to record information ranging from pressure to temperature. This week NASA has been trying to buy 20 reels from Quantegy. Even Hollywood is affected. Some die-hard moviemakers believe voices sound better recorded on analog tape. In making "Spider-Man 2" and the Harry Potter movies, digital recording technology has taken the front seat, but backups of dialogue were recorded on reels of Quantegy tape. Engineers are also worried about how long digital recordings will last. Tape was used to record most music after World War II. In the heyday of tape recording, it was common for rock bands with big recording budgets to run through hundreds of reels of tape in making just one album. But over the past decade, the tape has been rapidly outmoded by cheaper, more convenient computer-based digital recording. People in the music industry say that as few as 5% of albums are recorded and mixed using audio tape. The purists have a romantic attachment to the taping process. "It's a much more musical medium than digital could ever dream of being," says Joe Gastwirt, a mastering engineer who has worked with the Grateful Dead and others. "It actually does something to the music." Most of the industry gravitated to the cheaper digital technique, however, transforming tape from a commodity to a boutique item. That changeover has wiped out a once-hardy field of competitors. Quantegy was founded shortly after World War II by John Herbert Orr, a former Army major who called the company Orradio Industries. Ampex Corp., a maker of recording equipment, bought Orradio in 1959 and renamed it Ampex Magnetic Tape. Over the years, Quantegy went head-to-head with various competitors, including European brands like Emtec Magnetics and BASF. But as the market began to fall off, Ampex decided to get out of the tape business in 1995, and spun off Quantegy that year. As computer technology overtook the recording industry in the late 1990s, Quantegy's competitors bailed out. Some tapes are manufactured in China, but audio professionals generally don't consider them to be of consistently high quality. Quantegy's audiotape business in 2004 was still profitable, accounting for $6 million of the company's $30 million in sales. But the company fell into trouble because of other obligations and when Quantegy lost one of its major videotape customers in July, it suffered a cash crunch. By year's end, it couldn't meet payroll and sent its employees home. Mr. Lindenmuth believes an injection of $10 million would save the company, and is hoping a Chapter 11 reorganization will give him time to find investors. When Wilco's Mr. Tweedy found himself in a bind, he telephoned Steve Albini, a Chicago producer and studio owner who is known for his work with Nirvana and the Pixies. Mr. Albini's Electrical Audio Recording is one of the last major studios in the country to rely exclusively on audiotape. Mr. Albini had been stockpiling tape for more than a year, worried that the end of manufacturing was near. But when Quantegy closed its doors, he redoubled his efforts to secure as much as possible. Working through normal sources, he tracked down around 65 reels, enough to make about 10 albums. He also began "looking in the weeds," as he puts it. He tracked down contacts who buy odd lots of electronic equipment on the salvage market. Through one, Mr. Albini hit the mother lode: nearly 2,000 reels of 2-inch magnetic tape, enough to fill a small warehouse. Mr. Albini bought 100 reels and is trying to keep the supplier's name and whereabouts to himself. He says he doesn't want to see a better-funded competitor move in on the remaining stock. Mr. Albini estimates he now has a year's worth of tape, or about 500 reels, on hand. So when Mr. Tweedy called last Friday, Mr. Albini volunteered two reels of tape -- as "a professional courtesy." But, he says, "I don't want to go into business supplying tape to people." Looking ahead to a tape-starved future, Mr. Tweedy has a fallback: The band has an archive of around 100 reels of tape it has used in recording its various albums. By splicing out and saving the final version of each song, he figures they can maintain the archive and also generate a supply of tapes that can be recycled for future recording sessions. Still, Mr. Tweedy jokes, if the tape scarcity continues, even some of the archived recordings might become expendable. "I'm just fearful that all the master tapes at the loft would be worth more if they were blank," he says. ----- From jszymkow at columbus.rr.com Wed Jan 12 18:22:39 2005 From: jszymkow at columbus.rr.com (John Szymkowiak) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:22:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner Message-ID: <000601c4f8cb$51ddb3b0$0943d218@mine> I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in cleaning record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be very harsh on the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an acceptable cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever heard of S & R Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller Cleaner Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I haven't previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a bottle of the stuff... What do you think? Greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Wed Jan 12 23:03:26 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:03:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie with ZX-7 Message-ID: <1d23ef0b2f524f5daf1ddc874393f32d.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Hi, I just joined this group and also just received a used ZX-7. I prefer analog sound to CD's and I am hoping I can get this deck to function again. I think I must need belts and a tire at the least. The fast forward barely works and rewind won't work at all. The deck will play the beginning of a tape then stops. Where should I get parts for a ZX-7 ? Does anyone have the owners manual scanned? Any help restoring this deck would be appreciated. I am sure I will have many questions. Frank From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 03:02:42 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George Message-ID: Is it true? Rumor has it that Herr Sank is out of the bunker.........but has he made good on all the unfinished work??...............only the high command knows for certain........... N >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Best recordings for George >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:50:25 -0600 > >re; Nak om-s 7 CD Player....i have one in excellent condition and it >sounds great.As many of you already know,the transport on this cd player >is unparalled,although it skips like a junkie at the least >provocation!The basic problem,as i understand it,is that this unit >cannot be modifed to accept a digital output for a outboard DAAC.Ths is >the final word from the great Steven Sank.I do have one technichian who >wants me to send him a schematic,as he specialises in developing >digi-out circiuts.Steven loves this transport . He(Steven) recently >offerd to modify my machine to accept cdr's .From a great recent post i >have learned that this mod excludes certain regular cd's- so i am >waiting on definitive info. before proceeding.All I know is that my >OM7-S looks great next to my RX-303. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 03:04:56 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:04:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <910-41E5C91B-828@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Sorry Ger..............you ain't no Brandon DeWilde!......I know Brandon DeWilde!!!!!!!! >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] hi folks >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:04:27 -0600 > >hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of venerable nakkkers from >the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for "Steven",or "Ron", or >"Carlos" to return with their expert and invaluable insight into the >world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you ... to help educate >the unlearned such as myself. You are the "shephards" to guide the >flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my shephard.(Shaaaane..Come >Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From martinferreira at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 05:37:38 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:37:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Parts for Nakamichi decks Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From motionman20 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 20:36:42 2005 From: motionman20 at hotmail.com (MotionMan) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:36:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I Need Dragon Parts Message-ID: I need the capstan/flywheel/bearing assembly ( both left and right ) for a Nakamichi Dragon. Either this or a Dragon for sale as parts should fit my needs. Any help or information regarding this would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Tom Bigelow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 06:17:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:17:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <002d01c4f912$10a828c0$cd974c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050113051704.99855.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> I'll join in the next Nakathon that is available,with four up to spec Naks. By the way, to those whom I was grumbling about my faulty Technics M95, its repaired now. I got the sustitute for the TA 7506 op amp (LM301AN) and it works great. The output is abit on the low side though. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Gee, pard'ner, but I think both Carlos and Steven > have ridden off into the > Sunset, and Ron ... he didn't. He got shoved off > the film set! The system > excluded him from membership of Naktalk AND > AudioTalk. > > And with our Emmy award winner gone, let's see who > will volunteer to take up > his mantle for the next Nak Marathon ... Any > volunteers??? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Gerald G. > > Sent: 13 January 2005 01:04 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] hi folks > > > > > > hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of > venerable nakkkers from > > the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for > "Steven",or "Ron", or > > "Carlos" to return with their expert and > invaluable insight into the > > world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you > ... to help educate > > the unlearned such as myself. You are the > "shephards" to guide the > > flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my > shephard.(Shaaaane..Come > > Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 13 09:48:40 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:48:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <002d01c4f912$10a828c0$cd974c51@oemcomputer> References: <910-41E5C91B-828@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> <002d01c4f912$10a828c0$cd974c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <19380.212.78.164.66.1105606120.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Just to clearify... He wasn't excluded, just that his mail kept bouncing (ie it wasn't accepted for delivery) and when this happens for some time anyones address is being removed... so not just Ron's. This can be your ISP that blocked naks.com (or it's ISP)... you can fix this easy by using another email account, hotmail does the trick usually. Wouter > Gee, pard'ner, but I think both Carlos and Steven have ridden off into the > Sunset, and Ron ... he didn't. He got shoved off the film set! The > system > excluded him from membership of Naktalk AND AudioTalk. > > And with our Emmy award winner gone, let's see who will volunteer to take > up > his mantle for the next Nak Marathon ... Any volunteers??? > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Gerald G. >> Sent: 13 January 2005 01:04 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] hi folks >> >> >> hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of venerable nakkkers from >> the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for "Steven",or "Ron", or >> "Carlos" to return with their expert and invaluable insight into the >> world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you ... to help educate >> the unlearned such as myself. You are the "shephards" to guide the >> flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my shephard.(Shaaaane..Come >> Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) >> >> thank you very much, >> gerald From karakapas at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 10:25:54 2005 From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:25:54 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks CR50 Message-ID: Anyone seen a Naks model no. CR50? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10627&item=3866505080&rd=1 Not illustrated here in Naks.com. A European version of CR5A? Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get an advanced look at the new version of MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.com.my/Beta/Default.aspx From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 13 10:41:59 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:41:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks CR50 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7F9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ben. It's the Japanese version, the same unit with a 0 on the end, and 100 volts instead of 120 or 220 or 240. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: ng ben [mailto:karakapas at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2005 8:26 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks CR50 Anyone seen a Naks model no. CR50? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10627&item=3866505080& rd=1 Not illustrated here in Naks.com. A European version of CR5A? Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get an advanced look at the new version of MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.com.my/Beta/Default.aspx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 10:51:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:51:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <19380.212.78.164.66.1105606120.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: Shalom my sincerely Dutch friend, Once I sent you a mail asking for your lovely help providing me again such webs address so I can send digit photos as a Link to all our forum, as you ask me from the beginning...However. as my computer crash I lost all the information on my hard disc together with a lot photos, and mails. Please Wouter reply me again with such webs free that once you mail me. Second my Son who comprehend in Computers advice me to drop Hotmail and use this one from Goggle Gmail, which is much larger in capacity and better! You can change my Hotmail mail address of our forum by this one? If yes...please do it; if you can't write how to do it. Thanks so much in advance, and continue your productive work today very warm! Sincerely, & friendly from Israel, Alex! >From: "Wouter Heijke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:48:40 +0100 (CET) > >Just to clearify... He wasn't excluded, just that his mail kept bouncing >(ie it wasn't accepted for delivery) and when this happens for some time >anyones address is being removed... so not just Ron's. >This can be your ISP that blocked naks.com (or it's ISP)... you can fix >this easy by using another email account, hotmail does the trick usually. > >Wouter > > > Gee, pard'ner, but I think both Carlos and Steven have ridden off into >the > > Sunset, and Ron ... he didn't. He got shoved off the film set! The > > system > > excluded him from membership of Naktalk AND AudioTalk. > > > > And with our Emmy award winner gone, let's see who will volunteer to >take > > up > > his mantle for the next Nak Marathon ... Any volunteers??? > > > > Gra' > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> Behalf Of Gerald G. > >> Sent: 13 January 2005 01:04 > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] hi folks > >> > >> > >> hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of venerable nakkkers from > >> the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for "Steven",or "Ron", or > >> "Carlos" to return with their expert and invaluable insight into the > >> world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you ... to help educate > >> the unlearned such as myself. You are the "shephards" to guide the > >> flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my >shephard.(Shaaaane..Come > >> Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) > >> > >> thank you very much, > >> gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 13 13:55:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:55:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: <000601c4f8cb$51ddb3b0$0943d218@mine> Message-ID: <000701c4f96f$3a8690c0$2d9e4c51@oemcomputer> Recommend you search the archive as this subjects come up several times before and there were a number of recommendations and cautionary notes as well. Can't remember them off hand - I';d have to search the archive myself to find them! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Szymkowiak Sent: 12 January 2005 17:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in cleaning record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be very harsh on the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an acceptable cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever heard of S & R Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller Cleaner Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I haven't previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a bottle of the stuff... What do you think? Greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 14:39:34 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: <000701c4f96f$3a8690c0$2d9e4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Use Intraclean 721 available from US Recording Media....located in Bethleham, Pa. Neil >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:55:58 -0000 > >Recommend you search the archive as this subjects come up several times >before and there were a number of recommendations and cautionary notes as >well. Can't remember them off hand - I';d have to search the archive >myself >to find them! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of John Szymkowiak > Sent: 12 January 2005 17:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > > > I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in cleaning >record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be very harsh >on >the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an acceptable >cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever heard of S & R >Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller Cleaner >Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I haven't >previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a bottle of the >stuff... What do you think? > > >Greg >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 13 16:07:08 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <19380.212.78.164.66.1105606120.squirrel@212.78.164.66> References: <910-41E5C91B-828@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> <002d01c4f912$10a828c0$cd974c51@oemcomputer> <19380.212.78.164.66.1105606120.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <18324.212.78.164.66.1105628828.squirrel@212.78.164.66> To illustrate this... http://wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,66226,00.html i've been facing this for some weeks in log files, those subscribed with a verizon email address have a problem... Wouter > Just to clearify... He wasn't excluded, just that his mail kept bouncing > (ie it wasn't accepted for delivery) and when this happens for some time > anyones address is being removed... so not just Ron's. > This can be your ISP that blocked naks.com (or it's ISP)... you can fix > this easy by using another email account, hotmail does the trick usually. > > Wouter > >> Gee, pard'ner, but I think both Carlos and Steven have ridden off into >> the >> Sunset, and Ron ... he didn't. He got shoved off the film set! The >> system >> excluded him from membership of Naktalk AND AudioTalk. >> >> And with our Emmy award winner gone, let's see who will volunteer to >> take >> up >> his mantle for the next Nak Marathon ... Any volunteers??? >> >> Gra' >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Gerald G. >>> Sent: 13 January 2005 01:04 >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] hi folks >>> >>> >>> hi folks! first ,let me implore the return of venerable nakkkers from >>> the golden age of Naktalk.What would it take for "Steven",or "Ron", or >>> "Carlos" to return with their expert and invaluable insight into the >>> world of High end audio?.We want you ..We need you ... to help educate >>> the unlearned such as myself. You are the "shephards" to guide the >>> flock.I have gone astray- i am bleating for my >>> shephard.(Shaaaane..Come >>> Baaaack Shaane..Ma wants you...Pa does too!!!) >>> >>> thank you very much, >>> gerald > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 13 17:19:23 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:19:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <18324.212.78.164.66.1105628828.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <003701c4f98b$a534fc60$2d9e4c51@oemcomputer> That's a swine! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: 13 January 2005 15:07 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks > > > To illustrate this... > > http://wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,66226,00.html > > i've been facing this for some weeks in log files, those subscribed with a > verizon email address have a problem... > > Wouter > > > Just to clearify... He wasn't excluded, just that his mail kept bouncing > > (ie it wasn't accepted for delivery) and when this happens for some time > > anyones address is being removed... so not just Ron's. > > This can be your ISP that blocked naks.com (or it's ISP)... you can fix > > this easy by using another email account, hotmail does the > trick usually. > > > > Wouter > > > > From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 13 17:31:40 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:31:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <003701c4f98b$a534fc60$2d9e4c51@oemcomputer> References: <003701c4f98b$a534fc60$2d9e4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41E6A26C.2080107@cox.net> So why is Graham still getting through? Nelson wrote: >That's a swine! > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >>Sent: 13 January 2005 15:07 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks >> >> >>To illustrate this... >> >>http://wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,66226,00.html >> >>i've been facing this for some weeks in log files, those subscribed with a >>verizon email address have a problem... >> >>Wouter >> >> >> >>>Just to clearify... He wasn't excluded, just that his mail kept bouncing >>>(ie it wasn't accepted for delivery) and when this happens for some time >>>anyones address is being removed... so not just Ron's. >>>This can be your ISP that blocked naks.com (or it's ISP)... you can fix >>>this easy by using another email account, hotmail does the >>> >>> >>trick usually. >> >> >>>Wouter >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nelson wrote: That's a swine! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 13 January 2005 15:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks To illustrate this... http://wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,66226,00.html i've been facing this for some weeks in log files, those subscribed with a verizon email address have a problem... Wouter Just to clearify... He wasn't excluded, just that his mail kept bouncing (ie it wasn't accepted for delivery) and when this happens for some time anyones address is being removed... so not just Ron's. This can be your ISP that blocked naks.com (or it's ISP)... you can fix this easy by using another email account, hotmail does the trick usually. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 18:28:17 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:28:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: <000701c4f96f$3a8690c0$2d9e4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050113172817.55058.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> I captured some of the more recent discussion in my FAQ http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html scroll down to "Head and Pinch Roller Cleaning" SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Recommend you search the archive as this subjects come up several > times > before and there were a number of recommendations and cautionary > notes as > well. Can't remember them off hand - I';d have to search the > archive myself > to find them! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of John Szymkowiak > Sent: 12 January 2005 17:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > > > I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in cleaning > record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be very > harsh on > the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an > acceptable > cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever heard > of S & R > Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller > Cleaner > Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I > haven't > previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a bottle of > the > stuff... What do you think? > > > Greg > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 18:32:27 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:32:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: <000601c4f8cb$51ddb3b0$0943d218@mine> Message-ID: <20050113173227.98502.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> I wouldn't use that Rejuvenator stuff. I feel that it leave something on the rubber to make it more sticky and it may leave some on the tape. For the belts and tires it is fine, but, not on the pinch rollers. --- John Szymkowiak wrote: > I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in cleaning > record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be very > harsh on the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, > is an acceptable cleaner for these rubber based components? Has > anyone ever heard of S & R Audio out of the state of Washington, > and the 'Pro Pinch Roller Cleaner Rejuvenator' that they sell on > eBay. I'm sorry to say that I haven't previouly done my homework, > but, have already purchased a bottle of the stuff... What do > you think? > > > Greg> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 18:43:46 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:43:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I Need Dragon Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050113174346.10645.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). Prices are $8.144 each, but, that's in 1988&89. Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B That number is not on my price list. Why do you need to replace these pieces. If the oil has gummed up then take it apart and clean it, relub and reassembly. These parts shouldn't go bad unless you bent the captan, they are scratched or pitted (maybe due to rust) or there is too much play in the bearing in which case you should be able to just replace the bearing, the shaft should be OK. --- MotionMan wrote: > I need the capstan/flywheel/bearing assembly ( both left and > right ) for a Nakamichi Dragon. Either this or a Dragon for sale > as parts should fit my needs. > > Any help or information regarding this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Tom Bigelow > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 21:07:16 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:07:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I Need Dragon Parts In-Reply-To: <20050113174346.10645.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050113200716.61800.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Dragon requires special attention and care as well as special spare parts ( incase of damage while removing the shaft) to disassemble the capstan shafts out of the bearing. The problem could be with DD drive circuit / or lubrication. The bearing on most of the old naks just does not wear out - so no need to replace them - excepting physical damage - even that is not easily possible! kannan Scott Johnson wrote: CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). Prices are $8.144 each, but, that's in 1988&89. Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B That number is not on my price list. Why do you need to replace these pieces. If the oil has gummed up then take it apart and clean it, relub and reassembly. These parts shouldn't go bad unless you bent the captan, they are scratched or pitted (maybe due to rust) or there is too much play in the bearing in which case you should be able to just replace the bearing, the shaft should be OK. --- MotionMan wrote: > I need the capstan/flywheel/bearing assembly ( both left and > right ) for a Nakamichi Dragon. Either this or a Dragon for sale > as parts should fit my needs. > > Any help or information regarding this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Tom Bigelow > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 05:39:31 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:39:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I Need Dragon Parts Message-ID: Dear Tom! Sincerely...I can't understand how is possible so much damaged???? I own the same which was boxed for near 20 years,,OK I agreed was used ONCE...when was acquired in 1984...Seems me that yours was severely "ABUSED"...for that my heart fully recommendation is to send to an a specialist...instead trying by yourself to repair it! Will be cheaper and return as new one...so you will enjoyed for many years!!! Take in account my advise! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Need Dragon Parts >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:07:16 -0800 (PST) > >Dragon requires special attention and care as well as special spare parts ( >incase of damage while removing the shaft) to disassemble the capstan >shafts out of the bearing. The problem could be with DD drive circuit / or >lubrication. The bearing on most of the old naks just does not wear out - >so no need to replace them - excepting physical damage - even that is not >easily possible! >kannan > >Scott Johnson wrote: >CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy >CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy >My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably >RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). Prices are $8.144 each, >but, that's in 1988&89. > >Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B >That number is not on my price list. > >Why do you need to replace these pieces. If the oil has gummed up >then take it apart and clean it, relub and reassembly. These parts >shouldn't go bad unless you bent the captan, they are scratched or >pitted (maybe due to rust) or there is too much play in the bearing >in which case you should be able to just replace the bearing, the >shaft should be OK. > >--- MotionMan wrote: > > > I need the capstan/flywheel/bearing assembly ( both left and > > right ) for a Nakamichi Dragon. Either this or a Dragon for sale > > as parts should fit my needs. > > > > Any help or information regarding this would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom Bigelow > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jan 13 17:57:13 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:57:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape story Message-ID: <20050113165714.SWPV16431.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Thanks for taking the time to bring this story to us. It was interesting but sad. It also sounds like they are willing to continue if funding becomes available. Also, it'll spike interest from the end users to order more tape!! > > From: "Stanley Waterman" > Date: 2005/01/12 Wed AM 10:45:52 EST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: [naktalk] Tape story > > Tale of the Tape: > Audiophiles Bemoan > The End of the Reel > > As Quantegy Shuts Plant, > Purists Snap Up Supply; > NASA Feels the Crunch > By ETHAN SMITH and SARAH MCBRIDE > Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > January 12, 2005; Page A1 > > Jeff Tweedy, leader of the rock group Wilco, prefers to record music on > reel-to-reel tape rather than on the digital equipment that has overtaken > the music industry. Purists like him think it confers a warmth and richness > to recordings that a computer cannot. > > But last Friday, Mr. Tweedy hit a snag as he prepared for a session in > Wilco's Chicago studio space: Nobody could find any of the > professional-grade audio tape the band is accustomed to using. "I was under > the impression that there was a shortage of tape in Chicago," Mr. Tweedy > says. > > What he didn't yet realize was that the shortage is global. Quantegy Inc., > which may be the last company in the world still manufacturing the > high-quality tape, abruptly shut down its Opelika, Ala., plant on Dec. 31, > leaving audiophiles in the lurch. > > Quantegy filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Monday and hopes a > restructuring will eventually revive its operations. But its future is > uncertain, inasmuch as demand also is dwindling for its videotape. > > The news has set off a frantic scramble in the music industry as producers > and studios seek to secure as much Quantegy tape as possible. By the middle > of last week, most suppliers around the country had sold out their entire > stocks of reel-to-reel audio tape. > > > The supply that remained came at prices rapidly escalating above the usual > $140-per-reel wholesale price of Quantegy 2-inch tape. Walter Sear, a > prominent New York studio owner, quickly snapped up 60 or 70 reels, some at > prices that had ballooned by as much as 40%. "We'll have to change our > approach to life without tape," Mr. Sear says. > > Quantegy is hearing from customers all over the world trying to secure the > professional-grade tape. A Japanese musician e-mailed from Tokyo, eager to > get more for a recording session. Richard Lindenmuth, Quantegy's president > and chief executive, says he'll try to help. Some customers are trying to > organize their own bailouts of his company. Andrew Kautz, president of the > Society of Professional Audio Recording Services, called Mr. Lindenmuth > Friday hoping to get a one-time special order, a request Mr. Lindenmuth is > considering. > > The crunch reaches far beyond the recording industry. The National > Aeronautics and Space Administration uses Quantegy tape on its space > shuttles to record information ranging from pressure to temperature. This > week NASA has been trying to buy 20 reels from Quantegy. > > Even Hollywood is affected. Some die-hard moviemakers believe voices sound > better recorded on analog tape. In making "Spider-Man 2" and the Harry > Potter movies, digital recording technology has taken the front seat, but > backups of dialogue were recorded on reels of Quantegy tape. Engineers are > also worried about how long digital recordings will last. > > Tape was used to record most music after World War II. In the heyday of tape > recording, it was common for rock bands with big recording budgets to run > through hundreds of reels of tape in making just one album. > > But over the past decade, the tape has been rapidly outmoded by cheaper, > more convenient computer-based digital recording. People in the music > industry say that as few as 5% of albums are recorded and mixed using audio > tape. > > The purists have a romantic attachment to the taping process. "It's a much > more musical medium than digital could ever dream of being," says Joe > Gastwirt, a mastering engineer who has worked with the Grateful Dead and > others. "It actually does something to the music." > > Most of the industry gravitated to the cheaper digital technique, however, > transforming tape from a commodity to a boutique item. That changeover has > wiped out a once-hardy field of competitors. Quantegy was founded shortly > after World War II by John Herbert Orr, a former Army major who called the > company Orradio Industries. Ampex Corp., a maker of recording equipment, > bought Orradio in 1959 and renamed it Ampex Magnetic Tape. > > Over the years, Quantegy went head-to-head with various competitors, > including European brands like Emtec Magnetics and BASF. But as the market > began to fall off, Ampex decided to get out of the tape business in 1995, > and spun off Quantegy that year. As computer technology overtook the > recording industry in the late 1990s, Quantegy's competitors bailed out. > Some tapes are manufactured in China, but audio professionals generally > don't consider them to be of consistently high quality. > > Quantegy's audiotape business in 2004 was still profitable, accounting for > $6 million of the company's $30 million in sales. But the company fell into > trouble because of other obligations and when Quantegy lost one of its major > videotape customers in July, it suffered a cash crunch. By year's end, it > couldn't meet payroll and sent its employees home. Mr. Lindenmuth believes > an injection of $10 million would save the company, and is hoping a Chapter > 11 reorganization will give him time to find investors. > > When Wilco's Mr. Tweedy found himself in a bind, he telephoned Steve Albini, > a Chicago producer and studio owner who is known for his work with Nirvana > and the Pixies. Mr. Albini's Electrical Audio Recording is one of the last > major studios in the country to rely exclusively on audiotape. > > Mr. Albini had been stockpiling tape for more than a year, worried that the > end of manufacturing was near. But when Quantegy closed its doors, he > redoubled his efforts to secure as much as possible. Working through normal > sources, he tracked down around 65 reels, enough to make about 10 albums. > > He also began "looking in the weeds," as he puts it. He tracked down > contacts who buy odd lots of electronic equipment on the salvage market. > Through one, Mr. Albini hit the mother lode: nearly 2,000 reels of 2-inch > magnetic tape, enough to fill a small warehouse. Mr. Albini bought 100 reels > and is trying to keep the supplier's name and whereabouts to himself. He > says he doesn't want to see a better-funded competitor move in on the > remaining stock. > > Mr. Albini estimates he now has a year's worth of tape, or about 500 reels, > on hand. So when Mr. Tweedy called last Friday, Mr. Albini volunteered two > reels of tape -- as "a professional courtesy." But, he says, "I don't want > to go into business supplying tape to people." > > Looking ahead to a tape-starved future, Mr. Tweedy has a fallback: The band > has an archive of around 100 reels of tape it has used in recording its > various albums. By splicing out and saving the final version of each song, > he figures they can maintain the archive and also generate a supply of tapes > that can be recycled for future recording sessions. > > Still, Mr. Tweedy jokes, if the tape scarcity continues, even some of the > archived recordings might become expendable. "I'm just fearful that all the > master tapes at the loft would be worth more if they were blank," he says. > > > ----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Jan 13 20:24:03 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:24:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <20050113051704.99855.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002d01c4f912$10a828c0$cd974c51@oemcomputer> <20050113051704.99855.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050113142333.01b175d8@psulias.psu.edu> What is the Nak Marathon? I've heard it mentioned several times, but never quite figured it out. At 12:17 AM 1/13/2005, you wrote: >I'll join in the next Nakathon that is available,with >four up to spec Naks. By the way, to those whom I was >grumbling about my faulty Technics M95, its repaired >now. I got the sustitute for the TA 7506 op amp >(LM301AN) and it works great. The output is abit on >the low side though. > >Bala > >== From b4uer at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 23:33:36 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:33:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie with ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <1d23ef0b2f524f5daf1ddc874393f32d.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glcontact at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 00:50:43 2005 From: glcontact at yahoo.com (G L) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:50:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... Message-ID: <20050113235043.99503.qmail@web20927.mail.yahoo.com> Hello to all. I am new this mailing list :) During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a Nakamichi tapedeck ! I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? Who could help me and share is point of view to compare these models ?? Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull Analog tape recordings. Gab. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Fri Jan 14 01:48:57 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:48:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy Parts? Message-ID: Hi, I need the tire and probably the belts for a ZX-7. Does anyone know where these can be found ? Frank From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 09:52:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:52:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... Message-ID: Shalom Gab! Select the ZX9 the best of all that you mention! I really hope that will well preserved and in excellent working conditions! Good Luck and have a nice 2005 year also! ALEX! >From: G L >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:50:43 -0800 (PST) > >Hello to all. > >I am new this mailing list :) >During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to >own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy >with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. >I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a >Nakamichi tapedeck ! >I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how >to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? > >Who could help me and share is point of view to >compare these models ?? > >Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull >Analog tape recordings. > >Gab. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 14 12:20:46 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:20:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050113142333.01b175d8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <002d01c4fa2b$18248200$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> Many Nak owners from around the world would make a recording of a favourite track, send it to carlos and he'd use his skills and hardware to produce a CD of them all. There have been two Marathons. The first two tapes literally traversed the World with folk taping onto them. It took ages and one tape vanished for a while, too!!! So, for Marathon II we sent our cassettes to Carlos, who then did a superb job of compiling the tunes, etc.. A real professional job, as you'd have expected. Bleus was also a major player in both projects, compiling and managing the play lists. In Marathon two who co-ordinated the N America cassette and I did for the other that covered Rest of World. If Marathon III is to happen we'd need someone with the right gear to volunteer to do the sterling work that Carlos provided for the last two. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 13 January 2005 19:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks > > > What is the Nak Marathon? I've heard it mentioned several times, > but never > quite figured it out. > > At 12:17 AM 1/13/2005, you wrote: > >I'll join in the next Nakathon that is available,with > >four up to spec Naks. By the way, to those whom I was > >grumbling about my faulty Technics M95, its repaired > >now. I got the sustitute for the TA 7506 op amp > >(LM301AN) and it works great. The output is abit on > >the low side though. > > > >Bala > > > >== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 14 13:10:22 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:10:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... In-Reply-To: <20050113235043.99503.qmail@web20927.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4fa32$060de820$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> Personally, I'd consider a CR7 or ZX7/ZX9. In standard form, the form probably has the edge on the later sonically, both for recording and playback, and the CR& also has the benefit of adjustable azimuth for playback, which means it will play back tapes made on other machines sometimes more successfuly than a standard ZX7 or ZX9 (which only has adjustable azimuth for recording.) But there's not a lot in it and the ZX7 and ZX9 are both manual and - therefore - probably easier to maintain in the long run. Plus, the ZX9 has better speed stability than a CR7 or ZX9; so, if you're a piano recording fanatic, you'll love it to bits! (I have a ZX9, but it's super-tuned by an engineer in Holland, making it sonically (IMO) better than a stock CR7.) Don't be confused by the A or E after CR7 - that simply denotes which market it was made for and, therefore, its voltage. A for N America, E for Europe and nothing for the Rest of the World who who lucky enough to get their CR7s with switchable voltage!! However, be aware that spares for Naks are getting fewer and fewer by the day. Nakamichi isn't making them anymore, and doesn't have their own stock, either. When they're gone the only way to keep the Nak going is by canibalising another machine. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of G L > Sent: 13 January 2005 23:51 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... > > > Hello to all. > > I am new this mailing list :) > During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to > own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy > with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. > I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a > Nakamichi tapedeck ! > I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how > to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? > > Who could help me and share is point of view to > compare these models ?? > > Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull > Analog tape recordings. > > Gab. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From info at moontrix.com Fri Jan 14 14:11:18 2005 From: info at moontrix.com (Moontrix) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks References: <002d01c4fa2b$18248200$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00dc01c4fa3a$89b4a120$2301a8c0@mtdesign> hi :) 3 days ago i bought a nice working Nakamichi model 582Z... :) and 2 days ago joined this mailing list... nice to see you all here :) and one question: maybe someone knows where can i find manual for 582Z model? thanks a lot.... liquidspace From BADANTH at aol.com Fri Jan 14 13:17:47 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:17:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy Parts? Message-ID: <1ad.2f1ea904.2f19126b@aol.com> You can find the tires here MCM tape deck parts , maybe belts too. Good luck, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 16:35:14 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:35:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy Parts? In-Reply-To: <1ad.2f1ea904.2f19126b@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050114153514.98494.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> Anthony, MCM P/N 32-5665 is the small idler tire for the Sankyo mechanism. I thought the ZX-7 had the older, classic mechanism which does not use this problematic small idler. To my knowledge only the following decks use this idler: BX series, MR series, ZX-5, CR-5, CR-7 and RX-202's use the this small idler. Please let me know as I would like to update my web page with this information. If the ZX-7 uses the classic mechanism, then it probably doesn't require a new idler. Belts probably. Sorry I don't know where to get them. SJ --- BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > You can find the tires here MCM tape deck parts , maybe belts too. > > Good luck, > Anthony > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Hi, >> I need the tire and probably the belts for a ZX-7. Does anyone >>know >>where these can be found ? >> Frank __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 14 16:48:44 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:48:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy Parts? In-Reply-To: <20050114153514.98494.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050114153514.98494.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E7E9DC.4000805@cox.net> The ZX-7 uses the classic mechanism as used in the 480, 580, 680 series as well as the ZX-9 and Dragon. The ZX-7 has no direct drive features; it has a single capstan motor which belt-drives the dual capstans, and a single reel motor which couples to the reels through a single centrally-mounted idler. This idler is a source of trouble and needs to be thoroughly cleaned every few years to keep it working well. When the idler begins to slip the machine will start having FF and REW problems as well as take-up problems. If you let it go too long you should replace it. I believe MCM has a tire which will fit the idler hub, but I don't know its number offhand. There is also a counter belt and a control motor belt in the ZX-7. Most machines will benefit from having all of the belts and their mating surfaces cleaned. Tim Scott Johnson wrote: >Anthony, >MCM P/N 32-5665 is the small idler tire for the Sankyo mechanism. I >thought the ZX-7 had the older, classic mechanism which does not use >this problematic small idler. To my knowledge only the following >decks use this idler: BX series, MR series, ZX-5, CR-5, CR-7 and >RX-202's use the this small idler. > >Please let me know as I would like to update my web page with this >information. > >If the ZX-7 uses the classic mechanism, then it probably doesn't >require a new idler. Belts probably. Sorry I don't know where to >get them. > >SJ > >--- BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > > > >> You can find the tires here MCM tape deck parts , maybe belts too. >> >>Good luck, >>Anthony >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >>> Hi, >>> I need the tire and probably the belts for a ZX-7. Does anyone >>>know >>>where these can be found ? >>> Frank >>> >>> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 15:47:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:47:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <002d01c4fa2b$18248200$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050114144752.83579.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Well, if Richard Hess could spare the time, I think he's the guy with the best gear and know how on tape here to do this. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Many Nak owners from around the world would make a > recording of a favourite > track, send it to carlos and he'd use his skills and > hardware to produce a > CD of them all. There have been two Marathons. > The first two tapes > literally traversed the World with folk taping onto > them. It took ages and > one tape vanished for a while, too!!! So, for > Marathon II we sent our > cassettes to Carlos, who then did a superb job of > compiling the tunes, etc.. > A real professional job, as you'd have expected. > Bleus was also a major > player in both projects, compiling and managing the > play lists. In Marathon > two who co-ordinated the N America cassette and I > did for the other that > covered Rest of World. > > If Marathon III is to happen we'd need someone with > the right gear to > volunteer to do the sterling work that Carlos > provided for the last two. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > > Sent: 13 January 2005 19:24 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks > > > > > > What is the Nak Marathon? I've heard it mentioned > several times, > > but never > > quite figured it out. > > > > At 12:17 AM 1/13/2005, you wrote: > > >I'll join in the next Nakathon that is > available,with > > >four up to spec Naks. By the way, to those whom I > was > > >grumbling about my faulty Technics M95, its > repaired > > >now. I got the sustitute for the TA 7506 op amp > > >(LM301AN) and it works great. The output is abit > on > > >the low side though. > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >== > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From inthegarageworking at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 16:26:57 2005 From: inthegarageworking at yahoo.com (sam tarantino) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:26:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts Message-ID: <20050114152657.51515.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used for parts email me please. Sam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 17:29:25 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy Parts? In-Reply-To: <41E7E9DC.4000805@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050114162925.42370.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Scott ZX 7 has classic Nak mechanism and the idler drive can fail in that too - but after several years when particularly in hot humid weather. I had a 582 with worn out idler tire. I had to buy a spare assembly ( it is full assembly not a simple tire you get for Sankyo transport) from Nak Japan and it costed well over 40$ including shipping ( excluding indian Customs whicharged about 70% over that as custom duties- it is a different story !!!!!). More than the assembly - replacing the worn out part requires - experience ( considering that I had done this replacement on my old dragon in india - another story - yeah I learned a lot by almost destroying my 582 and this dragon!). The symptoms for worn out idler on classic nak mechanism is the screaching sound you hear when you try FF or rewind. I f hear a high pitched noise, indications are that the rubber is worn out and soon your FF/Play/Rew all will stop working alltogether. Hope this helps ? kannan Tim Barrett wrote: The ZX-7 uses the classic mechanism as used in the 480, 580, 680 series as well as the ZX-9 and Dragon. The ZX-7 has no direct drive features; it has a single capstan motor which belt-drives the dual capstans, and a single reel motor which couples to the reels through a single centrally-mounted idler. This idler is a source of trouble and needs to be thoroughly cleaned every few years to keep it working well. When the idler begins to slip the machine will start having FF and REW problems as well as take-up problems. If you let it go too long you should replace it. I believe MCM has a tire which will fit the idler hub, but I don't know its number offhand. There is also a counter belt and a control motor belt in the ZX-7. Most machines will benefit from having all of the belts and their mating surfaces cleaned. Tim Scott Johnson wrote: Anthony,MCM P/N 32-5665 is the small idler tire for the Sankyo mechanism. Ithought the ZX-7 had the older, classic mechanism which does not usethis problematic small idler. To my knowledge only the followingdecks use this idler: BX series, MR series, ZX-5, CR-5, CR-7 andRX-202's use the this small idler.Please let me know as I would like to update my web page with thisinformation.If the ZX-7 uses the classic mechanism, then it probably doesn'trequire a new idler. Belts probably. Sorry I don't know where toget them.SJ--- BADANTH at aol.com wrote: You can find the tires here MCM tape deck parts , maybe belts too.Good luck,Anthony ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here:http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi, I need the tire and probably the belts for a ZX-7. Does anyoneknow where these can be found ? Frank __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 17:30:45 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050114152657.51515.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050114163045.42827.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the parts- kannan sam tarantino wrote: Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used for parts email me please. Sam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Fri Jan 14 17:20:55 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:20:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy Parts? Message-ID: <1dc.34692227.2f194b67@aol.com> Sorry, I wasn't suggesting the tires are the same, just that some parts may be available at MCM. I have no idea which tire is on a ZX7, sorry for the confusion. Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 17:46:01 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:46:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050114163045.42827.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050114164601.60865.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, Why would you say that? And what would be the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > parts- > kannan > > sam tarantino wrote: > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF > somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used for > parts email me please. Sam > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dbauer45 at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 19:11:23 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:11:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks References: <002d01c4fa2b$18248200$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> <00dc01c4fa3a$89b4a120$2301a8c0@mtdesign> Message-ID: <002601c4fa64$75180ac0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Liquidspace, I have a 582 (it's a 582Z sans dolby c). I can copy and send the owners manual by e-mail as long as your mail server can receive large files or if you are willing to get a bunch of separate pages in smaller files. I also have the 582 service manual in Adobe pdf format. It is also a rather large file. Let me know. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moontrix" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] hi folks > hi :) > > 3 days ago i bought a nice working Nakamichi model 582Z... :) > and 2 days ago joined this mailing list... nice to see you all here :) > > and one question: maybe someone knows where can i find manual > for 582Z model? thanks a lot.... > > liquidspace > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 14 20:27:03 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:27:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <002d01c4fa2b$18248200$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> References: <002d01c4fa2b$18248200$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41E81D07.7040604@woods-and-waters.com> Hi fellow Naka-fans, Well, if this isn't being too presumptous, if no one else steps forward or has the time, I'd be honored and delighted to do the mastering and replication of Naka Marathon III. Although I don't have a Grammy (yet .. be patient), I have for 27 years used Nakamichi cassette decks to make 2-track masters for commercial recording, including LPs and CDs. Plus, I've done quite a bit of archival work and audiophile mastering and recording. And I teach big-label style recording and mastering technique. Oh, did I forget to mention I manufacture hand-made valve studio gear and high-end studio monitors? OK, well, you didn't hear that -- don't want to seem like a braggart. None of my Naks have auto azimuth, but it doesn't matter -- it just makes doing the dubs a bit more tedious as each tape has to be manually adjusted for. (I would ask everyone to put 10 seconds of 10 KHz and 400 Hz at the beginning of each side of each tape, if at all possible, to ease aligning my decks to your tapes.) Also, I have quite a bit of unique hand-made signal processing and enhancing equipment of my own design, (called Special Sauces in-house), which is kept under lock and key when not in use. I'd tell you what they are like but then I'd have to keep you under lock and key when you're not in use. Besides, is anyone here more passionate about their Naks than I am? Ok, I see that hand! Good to see I'm not the only passionate Nak owner! N-Joy! Nelson wrote: > Many Nak owners from around the world would make a recording of a favourite > track, send it to carlos and he'd use his skills and hardware to produce a > CD of them all. There have been two Marathons. The first two tapes > literally traversed the World with folk taping onto them. It took ages and > one tape vanished for a while, too!!! So, for Marathon II we sent our > cassettes to Carlos, who then did a superb job of compiling the tunes, etc.. > A real professional job, as you'd have expected. Bleus was also a major > player in both projects, compiling and managing the play lists. In Marathon > two who co-ordinated the N America cassette and I did for the other that > covered Rest of World. > > If Marathon III is to happen we'd need someone with the right gear to > volunteer to do the sterling work that Carlos provided for the last two. > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner >>Sent: 13 January 2005 19:24 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks >> >> >>What is the Nak Marathon? I've heard it mentioned several times, >>but never >>quite figured it out. >> >>At 12:17 AM 1/13/2005, you wrote: >> >>>I'll join in the next Nakathon that is available,with >>>four up to spec Naks. By the way, to those whom I was >>>grumbling about my faulty Technics M95, its repaired >>>now. I got the sustitute for the TA 7506 op amp >>>(LM301AN) and it works great. The output is abit on >>>the low side though. >>> >>>Bala >>> >>>== >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From kemppie at studenten.net Sat Jan 15 00:00:48 2005 From: kemppie at studenten.net (kemppie) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:00:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... References: <002e01c4fa32$060de820$38ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00ff01c4fa8c$e316bc60$9600000a@lan> Hello Gra' Do you know what this dutch man did to your ZX-9, i have one myself and want it done. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... > Personally, I'd consider a CR7 or ZX7/ZX9. In standard form, the form > probably has the edge on the later sonically, both for recording and > playback, and the CR& also has the benefit of adjustable azimuth for > playback, which means it will play back tapes made on other machines > sometimes more successfuly than a standard ZX7 or ZX9 (which only has > adjustable azimuth for recording.) But there's not a lot in it and the ZX7 > and ZX9 are both manual and - therefore - probably easier to maintain in the > long run. Plus, the ZX9 has better speed stability than a CR7 or ZX9; so, > if you're a piano recording fanatic, you'll love it to bits! (I have a ZX9, > but it's super-tuned by an engineer in Holland, making it sonically (IMO) > better than a stock CR7.) > > Don't be confused by the A or E after CR7 - that simply denotes which market > it was made for and, therefore, its voltage. A for N America, E for Europe > and nothing for the Rest of the World who who lucky enough to get their CR7s > with switchable voltage!! > > However, be aware that spares for Naks are getting fewer and fewer by the > day. Nakamichi isn't making them anymore, and doesn't have their own stock, > either. When they're gone the only way to keep the Nak going is by > canibalising another machine. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of G L > > Sent: 13 January 2005 23:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... > > > > > > Hello to all. > > > > I am new this mailing list :) > > During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to > > own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy > > with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. > > I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a > > Nakamichi tapedeck ! > > I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how > > to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? > > > > Who could help me and share is point of view to > > compare these models ?? > > > > Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull > > Analog tape recordings. > > > > Gab. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12-1-05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12-1-05 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 15 01:03:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:03:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... In-Reply-To: <00ff01c4fa8c$e316bc60$9600000a@lan> Message-ID: <001501c4fa95$aca23840$937c893e@oemcomputer> Hi Laurens, I'm afraid I don't. But I know a man who might ... Wouter - you any idea what it is Tom used to do with the Nak's? He modified a couple of yours, didn't he? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kemppie > Sent: 14 January 2005 23:01 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... > > > Hello Gra' > > Do you know what this dutch man did to your ZX-9, i have one > myself and want > it done. > > Laurens > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelson" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:10 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... > > > > Personally, I'd consider a CR7 or ZX7/ZX9. In standard form, the form > > probably has the edge on the later sonically, both for recording and > > playback, and the CR& also has the benefit of adjustable azimuth for > > playback, which means it will play back tapes made on other machines > > sometimes more successfuly than a standard ZX7 or ZX9 (which only has > > adjustable azimuth for recording.) But there's not a lot in it and the > ZX7 > > and ZX9 are both manual and - therefore - probably easier to maintain in > the > > long run. Plus, the ZX9 has better speed stability than a CR7 or ZX9; > so, > > if you're a piano recording fanatic, you'll love it to bits! (I have a > ZX9, > > but it's super-tuned by an engineer in Holland, making it > sonically (IMO) > > better than a stock CR7.) > > > > Don't be confused by the A or E after CR7 - that simply denotes which > market > > it was made for and, therefore, its voltage. A for N America, E for > Europe > > and nothing for the Rest of the World who who lucky enough to get their > CR7s > > with switchable voltage!! > > > > However, be aware that spares for Naks are getting fewer and > fewer by the > > day. Nakamichi isn't making them anymore, and doesn't have their own > stock, > > either. When they're gone the only way to keep the Nak going is by > > canibalising another machine. > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of G L > > > Sent: 13 January 2005 23:51 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... > > > > > > > > > Hello to all. > > > > > > I am new this mailing list :) > > > During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to > > > own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy > > > with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. > > > I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a > > > Nakamichi tapedeck ! > > > I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how > > > to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? > > > > > > Who could help me and share is point of view to > > > compare these models ?? > > > > > > Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull > > > Analog tape recordings. > > > > > > Gab. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12-1-05 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12-1-05 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 15 01:34:31 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:34:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... In-Reply-To: <001501c4fa95$aca23840$937c893e@oemcomputer> References: <001501c4fa95$aca23840$937c893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41E86517.1030005@xs4all.nl> As far as i can remember the mod he did on my Dragon mainly had to do with make the autoazimuth more precise and since it was an early series Dragon it may have been a mod that later on had become standard. He may also have done other things to it but i don't know about those. He did one time tweak my ZX-7 so it would sound better, something to do with the frequency range we humans are more sensitive for. Wouter Nelson wrote: >Hi Laurens, I'm afraid I don't. But I know a man who might ... > >Wouter - you any idea what it is Tom used to do with the Nak's? He modified >a couple of yours, didn't he? > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of kemppie >>Sent: 14 January 2005 23:01 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >> >> >>Hello Gra' >> >>Do you know what this dutch man did to your ZX-9, i have one >>myself and want >>it done. >> >>Laurens >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Nelson" >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:10 PM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >> >> >> >> >>>Personally, I'd consider a CR7 or ZX7/ZX9. In standard form, the form >>>probably has the edge on the later sonically, both for recording and >>>playback, and the CR& also has the benefit of adjustable azimuth for >>>playback, which means it will play back tapes made on other machines >>>sometimes more successfuly than a standard ZX7 or ZX9 (which only has >>>adjustable azimuth for recording.) But there's not a lot in it and the >>> >>> >>ZX7 >> >> >>>and ZX9 are both manual and - therefore - probably easier to maintain in >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>long run. Plus, the ZX9 has better speed stability than a CR7 or ZX9; >>> >>> >>so, >> >> >>>if you're a piano recording fanatic, you'll love it to bits! (I have a >>> >>> >>ZX9, >> >> >>>but it's super-tuned by an engineer in Holland, making it >>> >>> >>sonically (IMO) >> >> >>>better than a stock CR7.) >>> >>>Don't be confused by the A or E after CR7 - that simply denotes which >>> >>> >>market >> >> >>>it was made for and, therefore, its voltage. A for N America, E for >>> >>> >>Europe >> >> >>>and nothing for the Rest of the World who who lucky enough to get their >>> >>> >>CR7s >> >> >>>with switchable voltage!! >>> >>>However, be aware that spares for Naks are getting fewer and >>> >>> >>fewer by the >> >> >>>day. Nakamichi isn't making them anymore, and doesn't have their own >>> >>> >>stock, >> >> >>>either. When they're gone the only way to keep the Nak going is by >>>canibalising another machine. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>Behalf Of G L >>>>Sent: 13 January 2005 23:51 >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello to all. >>>> >>>>I am new this mailing list :) >>>>During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to >>>>own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy >>>>with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. >>>>I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a >>>>Nakamichi tapedeck ! >>>>I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how >>>>to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? >>>> >>>>Who could help me and share is point of view to >>>>compare these models ?? >>>> >>>>Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull >>>>Analog tape recordings. >>>> >>>>Gab. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Jan 15 02:59:33 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Message-ID: <23129-41E87905-1145@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would give any technics a run for its money. thank you very much, gerald From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 04:08:23 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... In-Reply-To: <41E86517.1030005@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050115030823.64915.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> He must have known the playback circuit elements that would make subtle changes - without changing overall replay/ record charecteristics. I have tried few changes to one capacitor in dragon' playback circuit altering the playback sound vary. If you are not very careful - the changes can affect playback noise charecteristics as well. Surely we miss his magic as well as god surce of information. kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: As far as i can remember the mod he did on my Dragon mainly had to do with make the autoazimuth more precise and since it was an early series Dragon it may have been a mod that later on had become standard. He may also have done other things to it but i don't know about those. He did one time tweak my ZX-7 so it would sound better, something to do with the frequency range we humans are more sensitive for. Wouter Nelson wrote: >Hi Laurens, I'm afraid I don't. But I know a man who might ... > >Wouter - you any idea what it is Tom used to do with the Nak's? He modified >a couple of yours, didn't he? > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of kemppie >>Sent: 14 January 2005 23:01 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >> >> >>Hello Gra' >> >>Do you know what this dutch man did to your ZX-9, i have one >>myself and want >>it done. >> >>Laurens >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Nelson" >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:10 PM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >> >> >> >> >>>Personally, I'd consider a CR7 or ZX7/ZX9. In standard form, the form >>>probably has the edge on the later sonically, both for recording and >>>playback, and the CR& also has the benefit of adjustable azimuth for >>>playback, which means it will play back tapes made on other machines >>>sometimes more successfuly than a standard ZX7 or ZX9 (which only has >>>adjustable azimuth for recording.) But there's not a lot in it and the >>> >>> >>ZX7 >> >> >>>and ZX9 are both manual and - therefore - probably easier to maintain in >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>long run. Plus, the ZX9 has better speed stability than a CR7 or ZX9; >>> >>> >>so, >> >> >>>if you're a piano recording fanatic, you'll love it to bits! (I have a >>> >>> >>ZX9, >> >> >>>but it's super-tuned by an engineer in Holland, making it >>> >>> >>sonically (IMO) >> >> >>>better than a stock CR7.) >>> >>>Don't be confused by the A or E after CR7 - that simply denotes which >>> >>> >>market >> >> >>>it was made for and, therefore, its voltage. A for N America, E for >>> >>> >>Europe >> >> >>>and nothing for the Rest of the World who who lucky enough to get their >>> >>> >>CR7s >> >> >>>with switchable voltage!! >>> >>>However, be aware that spares for Naks are getting fewer and >>> >>> >>fewer by the >> >> >>>day. Nakamichi isn't making them anymore, and doesn't have their own >>> >>> >>stock, >> >> >>>either. When they're gone the only way to keep the Nak going is by >>>canibalising another machine. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>Behalf Of G L >>>>Sent: 13 January 2005 23:51 >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Make a choice about Nakamichi Tapedeck... >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello to all. >>>> >>>>I am new this mailing list :) >>>>During the 80' i was student and i had the chance to >>>>own a LX3. The less i could say is that was very happy >>>>with this unit. Years passed and my LX3 is missing me. >>>>I would like to found a tapedeck. Of course a >>>>Nakamichi tapedeck ! >>>>I would have to found 3 head deck and do not know how >>>>to choose : a LX5, a ZX9, a DRx , a CR7(A?,E?)? >>>> >>>>Who could help me and share is point of view to >>>>compare these models ?? >>>> >>>>Wishing you a very good 2005 year, full of wonderfull >>>>Analog tape recordings. >>>> >>>>Gab. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 04:10:31 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:10:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050114164601.60865.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050115031031.88981.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> I do not understand your question? kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, Why would you say that? And what would be the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > parts- > kannan > > sam tarantino wrote: > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF > somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used for > parts email me please. 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I'm curious what the importance of these madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak decks are superb machines, hardly needing anything more than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still question the real advantages of tinkering with the innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about that, when properly maintained and , of course, used regularly with tender loving attention and care. Comments on the importance of modifications, supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read about and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair status). What are some of the other NakTalkers opinions about the worth of modifications? Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43°04'W, Long 89°24'E kjbleus at lycos.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Jan 15 08:03:57 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: <001001c4fad0$6231a9e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Gerald, I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' series Sonys. I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just wish I had more time! Robert Kent Gerald wrote: Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would give any technics a run for its money. thank you very much, gerald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktl at bornet.net Sat Jan 15 00:28:42 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:28:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks, Re 582 manuals, fao Dean Bauer In-Reply-To: <002601c4fa64$75180ac0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: I would be happy to put anything you have on my site www.naks.mine.nu avaible for public download. Got the servicemanual for the 480(1) and 680(1) for dl, but not 58x yet. My private account takes up to some 4-8 Megs. Work account up to some 40M With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Private ktl at bornet.net Work tomas at union.nu Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dean Bauer Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] hi folks Liquidspace, I have a 582 (it's a 582Z sans dolby c). I can copy and send the owners manual by e-mail as long as your mail server can receive large files or if you are willing to get a bunch of separate pages in smaller files. I also have the 582 service manual in Adobe pdf format. It is also a rather large file. Let me know. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moontrix" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] hi folks > hi :) > > 3 days ago i bought a nice working Nakamichi model 582Z... :) and 2 > days ago joined this mailing list... nice to see you all here :) > > and one question: maybe someone knows where can i find manual for 582Z > model? thanks a lot.... > > liquidspace > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jan 15 03:09:07 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:09:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Message-ID: <20050115020907.NUGK1657.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Jerry, I've been reading the off topic postings concerning analog in general with renewed enthusiasm. FWIW, I use a Sony BioTracer PS-X600 turntable with a Shure V15VxMR. I had nightmares galore after seeing the one picture of that incredible tape lab with the Studers, etc,... Analog in general always interests me from the studio recording right on through the end use product whether it be a RTR, cassette or LP. The whole process keeps me going. > > From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > Date: 2005/01/14 Fri PM 08:59:33 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post > > Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of > course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live > recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and > thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi > in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser > extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, > is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage > "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a > monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a > direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would > give any technics a run for its money. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 05:54:11 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:54:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <41E81D07.7040604@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050115045411.77935.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> I dont mind voting for Kermit :) Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi fellow Naka-fans, > > Well, if this isn't being too presumptous, if no one > else steps forward > or has the time, I'd be honored and delighted to do > the mastering and > replication of Naka Marathon III. Although I don't > have a Grammy (yet > .. be patient), I have for 27 years used Nakamichi > cassette decks to > make 2-track masters for commercial recording, > including LPs and CDs. > Plus, I've done quite a bit of archival work and > audiophile mastering > and recording. And I teach big-label style recording > and mastering > technique. Oh, did I forget to mention I manufacture > hand-made valve > studio gear and high-end studio monitors? OK, well, > you didn't hear that > -- don't want to seem like a braggart. > > None of my Naks have auto azimuth, but it doesn't > matter -- it just > makes doing the dubs a bit more tedious as each tape > has to be manually > adjusted for. (I would ask everyone to put 10 > seconds of 10 KHz and 400 > Hz at the beginning of each side of each tape, if at > all possible, to > ease aligning my decks to your tapes.) > > Also, I have quite a bit of unique hand-made signal > processing and > enhancing equipment of my own design, (called > Special Sauces in-house), > which is kept under lock and key when not in use. > I'd tell you what they > are like but then I'd have to keep you under lock > and key when you're > not in use. > > Besides, is anyone here more passionate about their > Naks than I am? Ok, > I see that hand! Good to see I'm not the only > passionate Nak owner! > > N-Joy! > > Nelson wrote: > > Many Nak owners from around the world would make a > recording of a favourite > > track, send it to carlos and he'd use his skills > and hardware to produce a > > CD of them all. There have been two Marathons. > The first two tapes > > literally traversed the World with folk taping > onto them. It took ages and > > one tape vanished for a while, too!!! So, for > Marathon II we sent our > > cassettes to Carlos, who then did a superb job of > compiling the tunes, etc.. > > A real professional job, as you'd have expected. > Bleus was also a major > > player in both projects, compiling and managing > the play lists. In Marathon > > two who co-ordinated the N America cassette and I > did for the other that > > covered Rest of World. > > > > If Marathon III is to happen we'd need someone > with the right gear to > > volunteer to do the sterling work that Carlos > provided for the last two. > > > > Gra' > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > >>Sent: 13 January 2005 19:24 > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] hi folks > >> > >> > >>What is the Nak Marathon? I've heard it mentioned > several times, > >>but never > >>quite figured it out. > >> > >>At 12:17 AM 1/13/2005, you wrote: > >> > >>>I'll join in the next Nakathon that is > available,with > >>>four up to spec Naks. By the way, to those whom I > was > >>>grumbling about my faulty Technics M95, its > repaired > >>>now. I got the sustitute for the TA 7506 op amp > >>>(LM301AN) and it works great. The output is abit > on > >>>the low side though. > >>> > >>>Bala > >>> > >>>== > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 05:56:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:56:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115031031.88981.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050115045631.83381.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Kannan, You said you do not need a spare 1000ZXL for most of the parts. So I resume you meant that most of the parts were commonly available? I was talking more about the unique parts which makes the 1000ZXL a unique challenge Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I do not understand your question? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Why would you say that? And what would be > the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? > > Bala > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > > parts- > > kannan > > > > sam tarantino wrote: > > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF > > somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used > for > > parts email me please. Sam > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 05:58:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:58:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <002601c4fa64$75180ac0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: <20050115045823.21888.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> What happened to the idea of a central depository for Nak manuals and literature? Bala --- Dean Bauer wrote: > Liquidspace, > > I have a 582 (it's a 582Z sans dolby c). I can copy > and send the owners > manual by e-mail as long as your mail server can > receive large files or if > you are willing to get a bunch of separate pages in > smaller files. I also > have the 582 service manual in Adobe pdf format. It > is also a rather large > file. Let me know. > > Dean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moontrix" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] hi folks > > > > hi :) > > > > 3 days ago i bought a nice working Nakamichi model > 582Z... :) > > and 2 days ago joined this mailing list... nice to > see you all here :) > > > > and one question: maybe someone knows where can i > find manual > > for 582Z model? thanks a lot.... > > > > liquidspace > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 06:41:10 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:41:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. In-Reply-To: <001701c4fabf$c96da480$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <20050115054110.11967.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Blues, This is the same debate my and my dad have gone into for countless hours regarding gear from McIntosh and the likes. My take on it is, that, these machines are factory produced in large numbers. Therefore, the quality and cost of the parts used will have to balance out the manufacturing costs. I had a talk with a engineer who used to be with an open reel company when they were manufacturing.He told me how their bend prototypes were much different from the machines rolling off the production lines in terms of components. Sometimes, they have to make slight circuit changes to accomodate the wider tolerance and higher noise characteristics of their components. I am sure, being the large manufacturer Nak is, with so many models they have to compromise in this area also. Here I have not yet forayed much into my Naks except for my 670 ZX which sports gold output jacks with the lead out being Van den Hul wires. It does make an improvement. My biggest mod pet is my Revox semi pro open reel (PR99) which has seen countless upgrades, components,wires and such. It has helped the Revox gain much better character, lower noise and a pleasant tone. However, I would still say that Nak did use pretty good parts that also helped it up the ante against the other manufacturers. Still for discerning audiophiles like us, would the performance these components give suffice? Regards, Bala Using Standard issue 680ZX (X 2), 670ZX, DR10, 700 , 700II and 1000ZXL (under repair) --- KJ Bleus wrote: > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > I'm curious what the importance of these > madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak decks > are superb machines, hardly needing anything more > than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of > vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, > these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in > performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. > Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond > necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's > needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck > with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still > question the real advantages of tinkering with the > innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out > of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. > Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about > that, when properly maintained and , of course, used > regularly with tender loving attention and care. > > Comments on the importance of modifications, > supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read about > and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk > friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. > I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, > 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair > status). What are some of the other NakTalkers > opinions about the worth of modifications? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > > kjbleus at lycos.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jmcalli at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 12:38:17 2005 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:38:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <001001c4fad0$6231a9e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20050115113818.61483.qmail@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). James rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Gerald, I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' series Sonys. I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just wish I had more time! Robert Kent Gerald wrote: Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would give any technics a run for its money. thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 15 16:38:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:38:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic In-Reply-To: <23129-41E87905-1145@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <004301c4fb18$42cc7920$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> One can always keep TT's on topic by mentioning the amazing Nakamich Dragon Turntable, or whatever it was called. A Fabulous record spinner than centred records that were pressed off centre of the hole in the middle ... I could sure do with it for some of my vinyl!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 15 January 2005 02:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post > > > Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of > course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live > recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and > thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi > in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser > extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, > is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage > "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a > monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a > direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would > give any technics a run for its money. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ktl at bornet.net Sat Jan 15 13:33:54 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:33:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] hi folks In-Reply-To: <20050115045823.21888.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm building up a website with NAK-Manuals and other manuals. www.naks.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] hi folks What happened to the idea of a central depository for Nak manuals and literature? Bala --- Dean Bauer wrote: > Liquidspace, > > I have a 582 (it's a 582Z sans dolby c). I can copy > and send the owners > manual by e-mail as long as your mail server can > receive large files or if > you are willing to get a bunch of separate pages in > smaller files. I also > have the 582 service manual in Adobe pdf format. It > is also a rather large > file. Let me know. > > Dean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moontrix" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] hi folks > > > > hi :) > > > > 3 days ago i bought a nice working Nakamichi model > 582Z... :) > > and 2 days ago joined this mailing list... nice to > see you all here :) > > > > and one question: maybe someone knows where can i > find manual > > for 582Z model? thanks a lot.... > > > > liquidspace > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sat Jan 15 16:17:59 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:17:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak Deck Mods, etc. (KJ Bleus) References: <200501151101.j0FB1XHY019714@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <004701c4fb15$65e77890$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> To me this is an intensely personal thing--obviously, after a certain point, one has to spend ridiculous amounts of money for only incremental sonic improvements. When I had my CR-7 "Sanktified", I went with his recommendations--gear drive mod, rec eq mod necessary for my "early" model. But he also improved what he felt were deficiencies in the Dolby circuits, and shortened a couple of critical signal paths. I did notice a significant difference between mine and a bone-stock CR7 of a friend's with Dolby-C. Incidentally, I did get a gander at pics of a "no holds barred" CR7 for one of Stephen's customers in Hong Kong. Major use of hi-end cable inside and out, and those beautiful REL MultiCaps in the signal path. Is it worth it? Obviously, there are those who think so. I remember reading on the list that somebody in Nakamichi said the heads on the 1000ZXL were good out to 50,000hz, but were limited to 35k or so via circuitry. Has anybody ever "unlocked" theirs? I imagine major circuit redesign would need to be done. Is it worth it? I'm sure you'll get many different answers. When any machine is designed, it is always a tug-of-war between the engineers and accountants. The give and take to create something within a specific price point is often the machine we get. Happily, Nakamichi tended to favour the design performance over the price point in the early years, but eventually had to change that approach to survive in the current climate of Walmart and The Liquidator. I have spent the last 20 years modifying a Honda Sport bike I purchased new in 1984. New, the machine was released with a superb engine (with an unforeseen major design flaw), great chassis, but only reasonable brakes, suspension, and exhaust. This was a common strategy with bikes of the time. Owners often replace these parts with race-spec ones, and rejet the carbs to unlock the power from overly lean factory jetting. After balancing and blueprinting the engine, tweaking the frame, race suspension, brakes, exhaust and magnesium wheels (less rotational mass!), I have a machine that bears little resemblance to the original one I rode home. However, the tactile feedback, response and performance change has been worth every penny, and I think I've arrived at a bike the original designers wished to sell but couldn't. Paul Dingle The Frozen North of Ontario, Canada > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:04:09 -0600 > From: "KJ Bleus" > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. > To: > Message-ID: <001701c4fabf$c96da480$6401a8c0 at MOHICANL0O3DH6> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > I'm curious what the importance of these madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak decks are superb machines, hardly needing anything more than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still question the real advantages of tinkering with the innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about that, when properly maintained and , of course, used regularly with tender loving attention and care. > > Comments on the importance of modifications, supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read about and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair status). What are some of the other NakTalkers opinions about the worth of modifications? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > Lat 43°04'W, Long 89°24'E > > kjbleus at lycos.com > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 15 17:43:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:43:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. In-Reply-To: <001701c4fabf$c96da480$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <004801c4fb21$4a99c320$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> I'd probably agree, Bleus, if my machine were not already modified when I got it. I presently still have no idea of what a stock, factory spec ZX9 sounds like because I've never heard one. However, I have had the chance to compare mine with a factory spec CR7 and felt that my modified ZX9 had the edge when I compared recordings made on both to the source material. However, that ought not be and I've never heard anyone say a ZX-9 were more accurate than a CR7, although I have heard people say they prefer it to the other. And it ought to make sense - the CR7 is the more modern machine, plus it's got a very much shorter signal path. (The ZX9 is most uneconomical in this respect, as is - Stephen Sank used to say - the ZX7. One of his ideas was to take a ZX9 and re-wire it. I don't know if he ever got around to doing it - probably not.) So, I assume this boost in performance that I have heard, that over and above a superb CR7, must be due to the Tom van den Hoff modification. (Stephen used to do some kind of mod'to Dragon's, I believe, which allegedly also rose them up a notch, too.) However, if he were here, I dare say Ron would add a cautionary note, which would be that whenever some one decides they believe in some kind of "upgrade" to the extent of paying for it, they will almost certainly "hear" a difference after it's done even if there is no real difference! I'm losing count of the number of people I come across who say they "upgraded" this or that separate for another and later revert back to the original because they find it sounded better than they originally thought ... Yeah, right! Nevertheless, I bought the CR7 expecting it to be better than the ZX-9 because just about everyone I ever read or spoke to on the subject told me it would be. I was actually rather disappointed that it wasn't. Nor was the adjustable play back azimuth the great revelation I'd expect with pre-recorded tapes or the tapes made on my old Aiwa and Superscope machines ... my Pioneer CTS830S did a much better job, especially with old, dull tapes, of bringing them back to life. So, having no need of the additional cassette machine (and I still have a BX-1 that I don't use ... but can't face letting it go because it was a present from Stephen ... yeah, I know - too sentimental ...)I sold the CR-7 and now primarily use the ZX-9 and Pioneer, with the Superscope for when I'm doing any recording with microphones. (Recorded a wonderful Gale the other night, with gusts up to 100mph plus - yeah, a baby compared to what some of you guys get on the East Coast, but it made a lovely noise nevertheless.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of KJ Bleus Sent: 15 January 2005 05:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... I'm curious what the importance of these madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak decks are superb machines, hardly needing anything more than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still question the real advantages of tinkering with the innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about that, when properly maintained and , of course, used regularly with tender loving attention and care. Comments on the importance of modifications, supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read about and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair status). 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James rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Gerald, I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' series Sonys. I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just wish I had more time! Robert Kent Gerald wrote: Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would give any technics a run for its money. thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Jan 15 18:09:17 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:09:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Webpage Message-ID: <000a01c4fb24$f4eb6b00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Thomas, I've visited you web page a few times. How do you sign up for a user name and password? Robert Kent Thomas wrote: I'm building up a website with NAK-Manuals and other manuals. www.naks.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 15 18:10:48 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:10:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. Message-ID: KJ: Let us not forget the term "point of diminishing returns"! >From: "KJ Bleus" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:04:09 -0600 > >Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > >I'm curious what the importance of these madifications are about. >Honestly, our Nak decks are superb machines, hardly needing anything more >than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of vital parts. When set >to Nak engineering specs, these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in >performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. Spending $$$'s for mods >seems silly, beyond necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's >needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck with mods is certainly >impressive, yet I still question the real advantages of tinkering with the >innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out of these superbly >engineered electronic marvels. Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt >about that, when properly maintained and , of course, used regularly with >tender loving attention and care. > >Comments on the importance of modifications, supporting or criticizing, I'd >like to read about and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk >friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. I'm using standard >issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in >repair status). What are some of the other NakTalkers opinions about the >worth of modifications? > >Regards, > >Bleus de Nakker >Madison, Wisc USA >Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > >kjbleus at lycos.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 18:12:54 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115045631.83381.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050115171254.22713.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> I do not see any unique mechanical part excepting cosmetic parts in 1000 ZXL while very few Electronic parts - even some of them may have been used in 700 ZXL ( like static ram or microprocessor) - this is to be explored with 700 ZXl service manual which I do not have. So you do not need another 1000 ZXL ( even if you get another there is a good possibility that the same part may be defective as well ?) for restoring your 1000ZXL You need- very serious effort to set every possible fault right including mechanism and checking the wiring or IC contacts if they have used mechanical contacts. It needs solid time more than the parts and understanding some of the unique failure modes of nak decks. So it is not a Nak newbie project. I would say that it requires many hours of labor - sometime it is not worth it. It may be easier to get the same quality of play back by modifying a 582 ' playback circuit as the record circuit is almost same as many naks. Only major difference is auto calibration - that can be done by manual and can be done better fo a particular brand of tape. 1000 ZXL ' great strength as I see is in its unique Playback circuit not anything else. - ofcourse impressive size and you need a mansion to keep it. So 1000 ZXL restoration is not worth the effort unless somebody is willing to pay rediculous amount of money for restoraion than some parts. Parts are secondary. Jeff Galin may be willing to undertake the restoration for a price - it is even sensible to send it to him and wait 6-9 months to get back a working 1000 ZXL. Hope I have answered your question - 1000 ZXL is just a fad today - Yeah I am even ready to undertake 1000 ZXL restoration provided the owner is willing to spend good money on it and undertsand that it may break down in future like any other Nak. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kannan, You said you do not need a spare 1000ZXL for most of the parts. So I resume you meant that most of the parts were commonly available? I was talking more about the unique parts which makes the 1000ZXL a unique challenge Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I do not understand your question? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Why would you say that? And what would be > the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? > > Bala > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > > parts- > > kannan > > > > sam tarantino wrote: > > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF > > somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used > for > > parts email me please. Sam > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jan 15 18:20:31 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <004d01c4fb21$4e1afaa0$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> References: <004d01c4fb21$4e1afaa0$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41E950DF.8090402@cox.net> I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. Nelson wrote: > *Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * > ** > *Grinham* > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister > *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 > *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon > cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). > > James > > */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: > > Hi Gerald, > > I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo > controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and > sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure > V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features > that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, > automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It > weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables > that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 > fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' > series Sonys. > > I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and > CR-7.....just wish I had more time! > > Robert Kent > > Gerald wrote: > > Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of > course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not > only live > recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette > medium, and > thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of > Nakamichi > in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and > to a leser > extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using > Nak gear, > is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about > vintage > "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine > condition. Its a > monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number > ps-4300,and its a > direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it > would > give any technics a run for its money. > > thank you very much, > gerald > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 15 18:15:10 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: Robert: I have been using with great delight for years, my VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage tank, and a wonderful OC-9 cart......between that and my three open reel decks and the 505 Nak...I never have to leave my house! N >From: >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > >Hi Gerald, > >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It is >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the >nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic operation >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the >'X' series Sonys. > >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just >wish I had more time! > >Robert Kent > >Gerald wrote: > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >give any technics a run for its money. > >thank you very much, >gerald >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ktl at bornet.net Sat Jan 15 18:18:15 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:18:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Webpage In-Reply-To: <000a01c4fb24$f4eb6b00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: You shouldn't need to login, just click on home etc... With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Webpage Hi Thomas, I've visited you web page a few times. How do you sign up for a user name and password? Robert Kent Thomas wrote: I'm building up a website with NAK-Manuals and other manuals. www.naks.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leave it me in your Will?? * >>** *Grinham* >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister >> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 >> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> >> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon >> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). >> James >> >> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: >> >> Hi Gerald, >> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo >> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal >> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and >> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure >> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features >> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed >> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, >> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It >> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables >> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 >> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' >> series Sonys. >> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon >>and >> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! >> Robert Kent >> Gerald wrote: >> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts >>with glee! Of >> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not >> only live >> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette >> medium, and >> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of >> Nakamichi >> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and >> to a leser >> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using >> Nak gear, >> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about >> vintage >> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine >> condition. Its a >> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number >> ps-4300,and its a >> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it >> would >> give any technics a run for its money. >> >> thank you very much, >> gerald >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jan 15 18:31:49 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:31:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E95385.8080301@cox.net> but... but what if I already have my own Carmen Electra? :-) neil lipes wrote: > Tim: > > If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen Electra....not a > piece of metal and plastic!:-) > >> From: Tim Barrett >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 >> >> I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. >> >> Nelson wrote: >> >>> *Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * >>> ** *Grinham* >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister >>> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 >>> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >>> >>> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon >>> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). >>> James >>> >>> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gerald, >>> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a >>> servo >>> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal >>> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and >>> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure >>> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features >>> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed >>> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, >>> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It >>> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables >>> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 >>> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' >>> series Sonys. >>> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my >>> Dragon and >>> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! >>> Robert Kent >>> Gerald wrote: >>> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable >>> posts with glee! Of >>> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not >>> only live >>> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette >>> medium, and >>> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of >>> Nakamichi >>> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and >>> to a leser >>> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using >>> Nak gear, >>> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about >>> vintage >>> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine >>> condition. Its a >>> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number >>> ps-4300,and its a >>> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it >>> would >>> give any technics a run for its money. >>> >>> thank you very much, >>> gerald >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee® Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 18:48:46 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:48:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115171254.22713.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050115174846.10528.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, I am asking this in lines of my own unit. To me, the first priority of getting these units to work is the sound, perhaps the sound of a 1000ZXL. Second, closely to the first reason is that as a technical achievment, someone has to keep working exampes of a working deck running. Three generations down, we still have Lindbergh's plane working. Lets keep the 1000ZXL that way and not like the pieces of Eniac that we have left today to remind us of those pioneers who thrust us into the information age and even made this very mail possibe. Regards, Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I do not see any unique mechanical part excepting cosmetic parts in 1000 ZXL while very few Electronic parts - even some of them may have been used in 700 ZXL ( like static ram or microprocessor) - this is to be explored with 700 ZXl service manual which I do not have. So you do not need another 1000 ZXL ( even if you get another there is a good possibility that the same part may be defective as well ?) for restoring your 1000ZXL You need- very serious effort to set every possible fault right including mechanism and checking the wiring or IC contacts if they have used mechanical contacts. It needs solid time more than the parts and understanding some of the unique failure modes of nak decks. So it is not a Nak newbie project. I would say that it requires many hours of labor - sometime it is not worth it. It may be easier to get the same quality of play back by modifying a 582 ' playback circuit as the record circuit is almost same as many naks. Only major difference is auto calibration - that can be done by manual and can be done better fo a particular brand of tape. 1000 ZXL ' great strength as I see is in its unique Playback circuit not anything else. - ofcourse impressive size and you need a mansion to keep it. So 1000 ZXL restoration is not worth the effort unless somebody is willing to pay rediculous amount of money for restoraion than some parts. Parts are secondary. Jeff Galin may be willing to undertake the restoration for a price - it is even sensible to send it to him and wait 6-9 months to get back a working 1000 ZXL. Hope I have answered your question - 1000 ZXL is just a fad today - Yeah I am even ready to undertake 1000 ZXL restoration provided the owner is willing to spend good money on it and undertsand that it may break down in future like any other Nak. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kannan, You said you do not need a spare 1000ZXL for most of the parts. So I resume you meant that most of the parts were commonly available? I was talking more about the unique parts which makes the 1000ZXL a unique challenge Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I do not understand your question? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Why would you say that? And what would be > the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? > > Bala > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > > parts- > > kannan > > > > sam tarantino wrote: > > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF> > somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used > for > > parts email me please. Sam > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spa! m? Yahoo! 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jan 15 19:22:01 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:22:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115174846.10528.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050115174846.10528.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E95F49.9090502@cox.net> There's a big, big difference between keeping Lindbergh's plane and a 1000ZXL working and / or serviceable. Beyond even the perceived social value of one over the other, the technical difficulties of restoring a 1000ZXL is much different. All of the tools and materials and technology exist to recreate the components in the plane. Even if original drawings and blueprints are lost, the old parts can be used as models for new parts. Not necessarily so for many of the electronic parts. Parts obsolescence is a very big issue in the electronics world these days, and the 1000ZXL is already prey to this problem. Once it's impossible to obtain original SRAM or Processor components, you can't just have a competent machinist custom make one for you. A band-aid solution that involves totally different components cobbled together and custom firmware loaded to emulate the original function is a major deviation from the original machine. How original does a 1000ZXL need to be if it is considered 'working'? How does a museum maintain the Software and Firmware aspects of a display piece? Or do they bother? As long as the object still has it's skin in good shape, do they care about what is inside of it? Are there any museum people in the crowd who can address this? MOMA in NY has some consumer electronics pieces in their collection, I recall seeing some B&O equipment on display. But do they bother to keep it working? Tim Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > I am asking this in lines of my own unit. To me, the first priority > of getting these units to work is the sound, perhaps the sound of a > 1000ZXL. Second, closely to the first reason is that as a technical > achievment, someone has to keep working exampes of a working deck > running. Three generations down, we still have Lindbergh's plane > working. Lets keep the 1000ZXL that way and not like the pieces of > Eniac that we have left today to remind us of those pioneers who > thrust us into the information age and even made this very mail possibe. > > Regards, > Bala > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > I do not see any unique mechanical part excepting cosmetic parts > in 1000 ZXL while very few Electronic parts - even some of them > may have been used in 700 ZXL ( like static ram or microprocessor) > - this is to be explored with 700 ZXl service manual which I do > not have. > So you do not need another 1000 ZXL ( even if you get another > there is a good possibility that the same part may be defective as > well ?) for restoring your 1000ZXL > > You need- very serious effort to set every possible fault right > including mechanism and checking the wiring or IC contacts if they > have used mechanical contacts. It needs solid time more than the > parts and understanding some of the unique failure modes of nak > decks. So it is not a Nak newbie project. > > I would say that it requires many hours of labor - sometime it is > not worth it. > It may be easier to get the same quality of play back by modifying > a 582 ' playback circuit as the record circuit is almost same as > many naks. Only major difference is auto calibration - that can be > done by manual and can be done better fo a particular brand of > tape. 1000 ZXL ' great strength as I see is in its unique Playback > circuit not anything else. - ofcourse impressive size and you need > a mansion to keep it. > > So 1000 ZXL restoration is not worth the effort unless somebody is > willing to pay rediculous amount of money for restoraion than some > parts. Parts are secondary. Jeff Galin may be willing to > undertake the restoration for a price - it is even sensible to > send it to him and wait 6-9 months to get back a working 1000 ZXL. > > Hope I have answered your question - 1000 ZXL is just a fad today > - Yeah I am even ready to undertake 1000 ZXL restoration provided > the owner is willing to spend good money on it and undertsand that > it may break down in future like any other Nak. > kannan > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Kannan, > > You said you do not need a spare 1000ZXL for > most of the parts. So I resume you meant that most of > the parts were commonly available? I was talking more > about the unique parts which makes the 1000ZXL a > unique challenge > > Bala > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > I do not understand your question? > > kannan > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > > > Why would you say that? And what would be > > the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? > > > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > > wrote: > > > > > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > > > parts- > > > kannan > > > > > > sam tarantino wrote: > > > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . IF> > somebody > has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used > > for > > > parts email me please. Sam > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of James McAllister Sent: 15 January 2005 11:38 To: rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). James rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Gerald, I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' series Sonys. I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just wish I had more time! Robert Kent Gerald wrote: Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 15 19:17:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:17:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007c01c4fb2e$686c1e40$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> Nah! In 20 years time, the Nak turntable will STILL look beautiful and sound wonderful, and give the kind of pleasure a guy of that age will appreciate much more than Carmen Electra will be able to offer by then ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 15 January 2005 17:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > Tim: > > If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen > Electra....not a piece > of metal and plastic!:-) > > >From: Tim Barrett > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 > > > >I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. > > > >Nelson wrote: > > > >>*Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * > >>** *Grinham* > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister > >> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 > >> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >> > >> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon > >> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). > >> James > >> > >> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: > >> > >> Hi Gerald, > >> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > got a servo > >> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > >> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and > >> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure > >> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features > >> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > >> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, > >> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It > >> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables > >> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 > >> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' > >> series Sonys. > >> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with > my Dragon > >>and > >> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! > >> Robert Kent > >> Gerald wrote: > >> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts > >>with glee! Of > >> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not > >> only live > >> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette > >> medium, and > >> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of > >> Nakamichi > >> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and > >> to a leser > >> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using > >> Nak gear, > >> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about > >> vintage > >> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine > >> condition. Its a > >> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number > >> ps-4300,and its a > >> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it > >> would > >> give any technics a run for its money. > >> > >> thank you very much, > >> gerald > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 19:42:51 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050115184251.75863.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Neil, Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with the air suspension? Bala neil lipes wrote: Robert: I have been using with great delight for years, my VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage tank, and a wonderful OC-9 cart......between that and my three open reel decks and the 505 Nak...I never have to leave my house! N >From: >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > >Hi Gerald, > >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It is >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the >nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic operation >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the >'X' series Sonys. > >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just >wish I had more time! > >Robert Kent > >Gerald wrote: > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >give any technics a run for its money. > >thank you very much, >gerald >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Parts obsolence is a serious issue to contend with. And more so is the shelf life of silicon parts. But I guess, the exception is that since this is an audio machine, the logics needed to get it working could be new, but based on the same principle. Not too long ago, I designed a replacement board for old Tandberg reel decks based on newer chips. Its slightly complicated as the engineers used 12V based HTL chips which makes interfacing an issue. I think that with enough work, we could get a modern replacement with a bank of ram chips to work the 1000ZXL. I am not sure if we have embedded software guys among us, but I am sure they'd agree with me. Important is, we keep it working, going. Plenty of engineering marvels have been kept going thanks to internal changes. The Concorde was one, the 747 is another (both being curiously first flown in 1969) and so on. If the 1000ZXL needs a brain transplant to keep it alive, then we as Nakkers have to see that it gets one. Bala Tim Barrett wrote: There's a big, big difference between keeping Lindbergh's plane and a 1000ZXL working and / or serviceable. Beyond even the perceived social value of one over the other, the technical difficulties of restoring a 1000ZXL is much different. All of the tools and materials and technology exist to recreate the components in the plane. Even if original drawings and blueprints are lost, the old parts can be used as models for new parts. Not necessarily so for many of the electronic parts. Parts obsolescence is a very big issue in the electronics world these days, and the 1000ZXL is already prey to this problem. Once it's impossible to obtain original SRAM or Processor components, you can't just have a competent machinist custom make one for you. A band-aid solution that involves totally different components cobbled together and custom firmware loaded to emulate the original function is a major deviation from the original machine. How original does a 1000ZXL need to be if it is considered 'working'? How does a museum maintain the Software and Firmware aspects of a display piece? Or do they bother? As long as the object still has it's skin in good shape, do they care about what is inside of it? Are there any museum people in the crowd who can address this? MOMA in NY has some consumer electronics pieces in their collection, I recall seeing some B&O equipment on display. But do they bother to keep it working? Tim Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, I am asking this in lines of my own unit. To me, the first priority of getting these units to work is the sound, perhaps the sound of a 1000ZXL. Second, closely to the first reason is that as a technical achievment, someone has to keep working exampes of a working deck running. Three generations down, we still have Lindbergh's plane working. Lets keep the 1000ZXL that way and not like the pieces of Eniac that we have left today to remind us of those pioneers who thrust us into the information age and even made this very mail possibe. Regards, Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I do not see any unique mechanical part excepting cosmetic parts in 1000 ZXL while very few Electronic parts - even some of them may have been used in 700 ZXL ( like static ram or microprocessor) - this is to be explored with 700 ZXl service manual which I do not have. So you do not need another 1000 ZXL ( even if you get another there is a good possibility that the same part may be defective as well ?) for restoring your 1000ZXL You need- very serious effort to set every possible fault right including mechanism and checking the wiring or IC contacts if they have used mechanical contacts. It needs solid time more than the parts and understanding some of the unique failure modes of nak decks. So it is not a Nak newbie project. I would say that it requires many hours of labor - sometime it is not worth it. It may be easier to get the same quality of play back by modifying a 582 ' playback circuit as the record circuit is almost same as many naks. Only major difference is auto calibration - that can be done by manual and can be done better fo a particular brand of tape. 1000 ZXL ' great strength as I see is in its unique Playback circuit not anything else. - ofcourse impressive size and you need a mansion to keep it. So 1000 ZXL restoration is not worth the effort unless somebody is willing to pay rediculous amount of money for restoraion than some parts. Parts are secondary. Jeff Galin may be willing to undertake the restoration for a price - it is even sensible to send it to him and wait 6-9 months to get back a working 1000 ZXL. Hope I have answered your question - 1000 ZXL is just a fad today - Yeah I am even ready to undertake 1000 ZXL restoration provided the owner is willing to spend good money on it and undertsand that it may break down in future like any other Nak. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kannan, You said you do not need a spare 1000ZXL for most of the parts. So I resume you meant that most of the parts were commonly available? I was talking more about the unique parts which makes the 1000ZXL a unique challenge Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I do not understand your question? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Why would you say that? And what would be > the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? > > Bala > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the > > parts- > > kannan > > > > sam tarantino wrote: > > Looking for parts for one of my 1000ZXL'S . 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URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Jan 15 20:38:35 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:38:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115185851.27865.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala you are correct, modern embedded processors have a great deal of functionality such as RAM, eeprom, flash, A/D converter etc.available on chip. If the inputs and outputs and logic are clearly definable then there is no theoretical bar to replacement with a suitably programmed modern microprocessor. The difficult part would be in converting between the different instruction sets unless there is cross compiler available. I have replaced several old laboratory systems that comprised a large number of components with an embedded system of a much reduced component count and obtained even better performance than the original. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 15 January 2005 18:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts Hi Tim, I would definitely agree with you. Parts obsolence is a serious issue to contend with. And more so is the shelf life of silicon parts. But I guess, the exception is that since this is an audio machine, the logics needed to get it working could be new, but based on the same principle. Not too long ago, I designed a replacement board for old Tandberg reel decks based on newer chips. Its slightly complicated as the engineers used 12V based HTL chips which makes interfacing an issue. I think that with enough work, we could get a modern replacement with a bank of ram chips to work the 1000ZXL. I am not sure if we have embedded software guys among us, but I am sure they'd agree with me. Important is, we keep it working, going. Plenty of engineering marvels have been kept going thanks to internal changes. The Concorde was one, the 747 is another (both being curiously first flown in 1969) and so on. If the 1000ZXL needs a brain transplant to! keep it alive, then we as Nakkers have to see that it gets one. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 20:54:49 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:54:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050115195449.34892.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, I am waiting to get some details of the 1000ZXL. When we have more understanding on how the system works within, it would make the task a bit easier. I think we dont even need external RAM to get it up and running due to the good embedded devices available as you said. I am sure, the experienced hands in this group can give better advice on this? Bala Doug Locke wrote: Hi Bala you are correct, modern embedded processors have a great deal of functionality such as RAM, eeprom, flash, A/D converter etc.available on chip. If the inputs and outputs and logic are clearly definable then there is no theoretical bar to replacement with a suitably programmed modern microprocessor. The difficult part would be in converting between the different instruction sets unless there is cross compiler available. I have replaced several old laboratory systems that comprised a large number of components with an embedded system of a much reduced component count and obtained even better performance than the original. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 15 January 2005 18:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts Hi Tim, I would definitely agree with you. Parts obsolence is a serious issue to contend with. And more so is the shelf life of silicon parts. But I guess, the exception is that since this is an audio machine, the logics needed to get it working could be new, but based on the same principle. Not too long ago, I designed a replacement board for old Tandberg reel decks based on newer chips. Its slightly complicated as the engineers used 12V based HTL chips which makes interfacing an issue. I think that with enough work, we could get a modern replacement with a bank of ram chips to work the 1000ZXL. I am not sure if we have embedded software guys among us, but I am sure they'd agree with me. Important is, we keep it working, going. Plenty of engineering marvels have been kept going thanks to internal changes. The Concorde was one, the 747 is another (both being curiously first flown in 1969) and so on. If the 1000ZXL needs a brain transplant to! keep it alive, then we as Nakkers have to see that it gets one. Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 15 20:32:24 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:32:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal Message-ID: <41E96FC8.2020904@woods-and-waters.com> Hello fellow Naka-fans! My hearty thanks to those of you expressing their support (Bala, Mark and those off list) for The Nakamichi Marathon III! Well, I’m going out on a limb and declaring The Nakamichi Marathon III off and running! Hey, you with the saw, back off! You know what appeals to me about this? It’s the opportunity to show the superiority of analog by making a world-class audiophile recording using a cassette deck -- a Nakamichi, of course! Admittedly, I’m a newcomer, so I propose the following "rules." If no one objects, then we’re off! I’ll take the submissions, compile them into a well-mastered audiophile-quality CD, then release the result on my record label, KVG Labs. Hopefully, we’ll have enough for a two or three CD set! First, the recording must be done principally on a Nakamichi. Second, the proceeds from sales of the completed recording will be split between the artists and my studio with a generous portion going to support Naks.com to help Wouter out! [More details below.] We need to agree on a submission deadline. I don’t want to have to be rushed to finish the project; I’m the slow methodical type and I want this recording to be as good as technology allows. Probably, I’ll have Cinram do the CDs and DVD-As (if we choose DVD-A as well). If we do SACDs, then I think Sonopress should do them. I’d like to do 180-gram LPs, but the pressing plant I used closed in 2003. Anyone know of a good pressing plant and cutter facility that would take analog masters? So, we’re looking at least 6 weeks lead time just for producing copies. It would be good to have the final products in time for the autumn and winter sales seasons. (How's that being for politically correct?) So, would July 1, 2005 be adequate as a submission deadline? I won't be draconian about it. (Unless you like me being draconian. Just kidding.) Also, is there an “official” Nakamichi Marathon logo? I have an idea for one if not. Hopefully I’ll be flooded with hundreds of flawlessly made recordings. Would someone be willing to volunteer to be a second “judge” to help pick out the final selections? * * * * * To qualify, the recording must be wholly original (simply dubbing material onto your Nakamichi that you’ve already released on CD won’t do), recorded within the last year or recorded this year, and recorded in one of three technical categories: Category I. Recorded direct-to-two-track on a Nakamichi cassette deck using ‘”purist” stereo microphone techniques. Category II. Analog multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Category III. Professional quality digital multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Professional refers to: Studer DASH, Studer Dyaxis, Sony PCM-3324 or PCM-3348, Alesis ADAT, Tascam Modular Digital Multitrack (DA-38, DA-88); Mitsubishi X-80 Series, Full ProTools Systems (not ProTools Lite or the Digi001 setup), Logic Audio Platinum running on a Macintosh ONLY -- no PC versions; 360 Systems setups and Nagra D Series. Anything recorded onto “person digital multitracks,” like Tascam Portastudios, Korg PocketStudio or those Mackie, Yamaha, Akai, Roland, BOSS or similar combination multitracks/mixers are disqualified. Preference will be given to Category I submissions. With each recording enclose these documents: Curricula Vitae (Your name, your address, telephone number, email and any web sites, brief biographical paragraph, and chronological list of your professional accomplishments.) Curricula Artis (The names of the artists you recorded and a brief biography of each or of the group). Copy of Recording Agreement between you and the artists, or a simple signed statement from the artists giving you permission to submit a recording of them to The Nakamichi Marathon III. Track Log (Track listing of each song’s name with timings, if possible, but don’t sweat it.) Recording Venue Log (Where and when the recording was made). Technical & Rider Log (Which Nakamichi deck used, what microphones were used and their placement, and any other equipment used -- especially monitors.). * * * * * If I can give anyone any technical help or recording advice, please ask! I want this to be the best-recorded audiophile recording made. Ok, guys, grab your microphone and make beautiful music on your Naks! Hey, you! That’s right, you! Put the RadioShack crystal mic down and pick up the Nakamichi C1000. That’s good. My address is at the end of this email. I’ll have a web page devoted to The Nakamichi Marathon III up in a couple days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Jan 15 22:24:38 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:24:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115195449.34892.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala If it helps anyone, I have the the Atmel STK500 development kit, C and basic compilers and can program the DIL packaged versions of the AVR series of microcontrollers. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 15 January 2005 19:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts Hi Doug, I am waiting to get some details of the 1000ZXL. When we have more understanding on how the system works within, it would make the task a bit easier. I think we dont even need external RAM to get it up and running due to the good embedded devices available as you said. I am sure, the experienced hands in this group can give better advice on this? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valman13440 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 22:38:34 2005 From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:38:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? Message-ID: <20050115213834.46767.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during quiet passages.I don't hear this with my Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that maybe some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with TDK?Peace,Keith H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 22:48:26 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:48:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: <20050115213834.46767.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050115214826.3053.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> This sound is not from the tape head contact area but generally from the lubrication sheet between the tape edge and the cassette shell. Rewind and FF few times to loosen the tape or unscrew the shell casing to reduce the friction between the tape edge and the sheet - incase that is the reason. I had done this on few of my casettes kannan Keith Hugo wrote: I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during quiet passages.I don't hear this with my Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that maybe some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with TDK?Peace,Keith H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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In-Reply-To: <20050115214826.3053.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050115221144.59871.qmail@web40625.mail.yahoo.com> I alway FF and RW all my tapes before using,this noise comes from most all my TDK's even the older ones that have been FF and RW many times.Even after FF and RW the new one's the Sqweak is still there.And if i have to unscrew all my TDK shells to try and get rid of the sound that just does'nt sound feisable to me,should'nt have to do that with every tape, seem's like a manufacturing defect? --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > This sound is not from the tape head contact area > but generally from the lubrication sheet between the > tape edge and the cassette shell. Rewind and FF few > times to loosen the tape or unscrew the shell casing > to reduce the friction between the tape edge and the > sheet - incase that is the reason. I had done this > on few of my casettes > kannan > > Keith Hugo wrote: > I don't know if anybody else notices this but i > notice > that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it > does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's > it > sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's > being dragged accross the heads,really annoying > during > quiet passages.I don't hear this with my > Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does > TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound > as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda > disconcerting that maybe some of the music is coming > off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with > TDK?Peace,Keith H. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 23:21:34 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:21:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050115222134.57808.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> I don't think the cross complier will do any good. How are you going to get the source code? I don't even thing you will be able to get the code out of the processor and when what processor family is it. How would you decode the instructions? I think the only hope is to make detailed notes on what the outputs do and when, with various inputs. This can most easily be done with a logic analyzer and a good working decks. Anyone want to lend their 1000ZXL to the cause? SJ --- Doug Locke wrote: > Hi Bala > you are correct, modern embedded processors have a > great deal of > functionality such as RAM, eeprom, flash, A/D converter > etc.available on > chip. If the inputs and outputs and logic are clearly definable > then there > is no theoretical bar to replacement with a suitably programmed > modern > microprocessor. The difficult part would be in converting between > the > different instruction sets unless there is cross compiler > available. I have > replaced several old laboratory systems that comprised a large > number of > components with an embedded system of a much reduced component > count and > obtained even better performance than the original. > > Doug. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 15 January 2005 18:59 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts > > > Hi Tim, > > I would definitely agree with you. Parts obsolence is a > serious > issue to contend with. And more so is the shelf life of silicon > parts. But I > guess, the exception is that since this is an audio machine, the > logics > needed to get it working could be new, but based on the same > principle. Not > too long ago, I designed a replacement board for old Tandberg reel > decks > based on newer chips. Its slightly complicated as the engineers > used 12V > based HTL chips which makes interfacing an issue. I think that with > enough > work, we could get a modern replacement with a bank of ram chips to > work the > 1000ZXL. I am not sure if we have embedded software guys among us, > but I am > sure they'd agree with me. Important is, we keep it working, going. > Plenty > of engineering marvels have been kept going thanks to internal > changes. The > Concorde was one, the 747 is another (both being curiously first > flown in > 1969) and so on. If the 1000ZXL needs a brain transplant to! keep > it alive, > then we as Nakkers have to see that it gets one. > > Bala > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From ti at amb.org Sat Jan 15 23:24:36 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: <20050115221144.59871.qmail@web40625.mail.yahoo.com> from "Keith Hugo" at Jan 15, 2005 02:11:44 PM Message-ID: <20050115222436.BF81221D77@smtp.amb.org> I dunno, never noticed any unusual squeaking from my TDKs... -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 15 23:45:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:45:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: <20050115221144.59871.qmail@web40625.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c4fb53$fb379e00$1aae4e51@oemcomputer> Keith said: "seem's like a manufacturing defect" If it's a European made TDK it probably is! Gra' From inthegarageworking at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 00:47:01 2005 From: inthegarageworking at yahoo.com (sam tarantino) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:47:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NEED 1000ZXL PARTS Message-ID: <20050115234701.3262.qmail@web51810.mail.yahoo.com> Looking for 1000ZXL parts . Mis. front panel lamps and control nobs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 01:00:00 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:00:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <41E95385.8080301@cox.net> Message-ID: Then you are BLESSED! >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:31:49 -0500 > >but... but what if I already have my own Carmen Electra? :-) > >neil lipes wrote: > >>Tim: >> >>If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen Electra....not a >>piece of metal and plastic!:-) >> >>>From: Tim Barrett >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >>>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 >>> >>>I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. >>> >>>Nelson wrote: >>> >>>>*Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * >>>>** *Grinham* >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister >>>> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 >>>> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >>>> >>>> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon >>>> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). >>>> James >>>> >>>> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Gerald, >>>> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a >>>>servo >>>> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal >>>> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and >>>> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure >>>> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features >>>> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed >>>> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, >>>> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It >>>> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables >>>> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 >>>> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' >>>> series Sonys. >>>> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my >>>>Dragon and >>>> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! >>>> Robert Kent >>>> Gerald wrote: >>>> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts >>>>with glee! Of >>>> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not >>>> only live >>>> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette >>>> medium, and >>>> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of >>>> Nakamichi >>>> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and >>>> to a leser >>>> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using >>>> Nak gear, >>>> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about >>>> vintage >>>> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine >>>> condition. Its a >>>> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number >>>> ps-4300,and its a >>>> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it >>>> would >>>> give any technics a run for its money. >>>> >>>> thank you very much, >>>> gerald >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� >>Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 01:01:31 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:01:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <007c01c4fb2e$686c1e40$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: GRA: That is a big assumption!!! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:17:01 -0000 > >Nah! In 20 years time, the Nak turntable will STILL look beautiful and >sound wonderful, and give the kind of pleasure a guy of that age will >appreciate much more than Carmen Electra will be able to offer by then ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 15 January 2005 17:20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > > > Tim: > > > > If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen > > Electra....not a piece > > of metal and plastic!:-) > > > > >From: Tim Barrett > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 > > > > > >I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. > > > > > >Nelson wrote: > > > > > >>*Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * > > >>** *Grinham* > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister > > >> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 > > >> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >> > > >> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon > > >> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). > > >> James > > >> > > >> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Gerald, > > >> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > > got a servo > > >> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > > >> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and > > >> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure > > >> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features > > >> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > > >> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, > > >> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. >It > > >> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual >turtables > > >> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 > > >> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' > > >> series Sonys. > > >> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with > > my Dragon > > >>and > > >> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! > > >> Robert Kent > > >> Gerald wrote: > > >> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts > > >>with glee! Of > > >> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is >not > > >> only live > > >> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette > > >> medium, and > > >> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of > > >> Nakamichi > > >> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and > > >> to a leser > > >> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using > > >> Nak gear, > > >> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about > > >> vintage > > >> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine > > >> condition. Its a > > >> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number > > >> ps-4300,and its a > > >> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like >it > > >> would > > >> give any technics a run for its money. > > >> > > >> thank you very much, > > >> gerald > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� > > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rjkent at comcast.net Sun Jan 16 01:11:49 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:11:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon III Message-ID: <000801c4fb5f$f9f897e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Kermit, Well I certainly support your efforts towards the Marathon III project. It should be noted, however, that your proposed approach represents a significant departure from the first two efforts. You are proposing a professional grade compilation of original un-copywrited works for limited commercial release....all very proper. The first two Marathons were collections of copywrited works informally shared amongst friends, and not for commercial release....quasi-legal at best, but great fun. I, for one, will not be able to contribute to your effort, not having the facilities or connections to provide original recordings. I would certainly be interested in buying a copy when completed however. Robert Kent Kermit wrote: Well, I'm going out on a limb and declaring The Nakamichi Marathon III off and running! Hey, you with the saw, back off! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 01:14:27 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: Bala: I have to admit that I do not know...let me explain.....my cousin and I are located not far from the VPI factory....I used to sell high end in NYC....so I used to call Harry all the time....anyway.....he would always tell me what the latest new tweak was...and like all in-secure audiophiles would purchase same (never telling the wife) I looked at many tables before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a Thorens .....which was ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano black VPI.....it was in the feature film with Robert Redford and Demi Moore...the name of which escapes me at the moment. And as the years passed I would always upgrade the table! Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel tapes today, just can't get the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with my open reels.....I love them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What can I say...I'm an analog fool! Neil >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Neil, > > Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with the air suspension? > >Bala > >neil lipes wrote: >Robert: > >I have been using with great delight for years, my VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm >wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage tank, and a wonderful >OC-9 >cart......between that and my three open reel decks and the 505 Nak...I >never have to leave my house! > >N > > >From: > >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > > > >Hi Gerald, > > > >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear > >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It >is > >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics > >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the > >nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic >operation > >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the > >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure > >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the > >'X' series Sonys. > > > >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just > >wish I had more time! > > > >Robert Kent > > > >Gerald wrote: > > > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of > >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live > >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and > >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi > >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser > >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, > >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage > >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a > >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a > >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would > >give any technics a run for its money. > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jan 16 01:20:48 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:20:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: <20050116002047.KLAR2250.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Neil, I think the film was 'Indecent Proposal' with Woody Harrelson as the husband of Demi Moore. > > From: "neil lipes" > Date: 2005/01/15 Sat PM 07:14:27 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > Bala: > > I have to admit that I do not know...let me explain.....my cousin and I are > located not far from the VPI factory....I used to sell high end in NYC....so > I used to call Harry all the time....anyway.....he would always tell me > what the latest new tweak was...and like all in-secure audiophiles would > purchase same (never telling the wife) I looked at many tables before I > went with the VPI....in fact I had a Thorens .....which was ok.....but I > just fell in love with the piano black VPI.....it was in the feature film > with Robert Redford and Demi Moore...the name of which escapes me at the > moment. > And as the years passed I would always upgrade the table! > > Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel tapes today, just can't get > the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with my open reels.....I love > them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What can I say...I'm an analog > fool! > > Neil > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Neil, > > > > Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with the air suspension? > > > >Bala > > > >neil lipes wrote: > >Robert: > > > >I have been using with great delight for years, my VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm > >wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage tank, and a wonderful > >OC-9 > >cart......between that and my three open reel decks and the 505 Nak...I > >never have to leave my house! > > > >N > > > > >From: > > >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: > > >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > > > > > >Hi Gerald, > > > > > >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled linear > > >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It > >is > > >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics > > >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the > > >nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > > >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic > >operation > > >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the > > >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure > > >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the > > >'X' series Sonys. > > > > > >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and CR-7.....just > > >wish I had more time! > > > > > >Robert Kent > > > > > >Gerald wrote: > > > > > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of > > >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live > > >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and > > >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi > > >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser > > >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, > > >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage > > >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a > > >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a > > >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would > > >give any technics a run for its money. > > > > > >thank you very much, > > >gerald > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From c123666 at comcast.net Sun Jan 16 01:25:32 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:25:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Assuming parts can be found for such an exotic beast when it fails; and it will; everything does. Same reason I resisted the temptation to make an offer on a Kenwood L07D reference table; simply too rare and a complicated beast electronically. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of neil lipes Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables GRA: That is a big assumption!!! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:17:01 -0000 > >Nah! In 20 years time, the Nak turntable will STILL look beautiful and >sound wonderful, and give the kind of pleasure a guy of that age will >appreciate much more than Carmen Electra will be able to offer by then ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 15 January 2005 17:20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > > > Tim: > > > > If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen > > Electra....not a piece > > of metal and plastic!:-) > > > > >From: Tim Barrett > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 > > > > > >I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. > > > > > >Nelson wrote: > > > > > >>*Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * > > >>** *Grinham* > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister > > >> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 > > >> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >> > > >> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon > > >> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). > > >> James > > >> > > >> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Gerald, > > >> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > > got a servo > > >> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > > >> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and > > >> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure > > >> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features > > >> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > > >> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, > > >> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. >It > > >> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual >turtables > > >> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 > > >> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' > > >> series Sonys. > > >> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with > > my Dragon > > >>and > > >> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! > > >> Robert Kent > > >> Gerald wrote: > > >> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts > > >>with glee! Of > > >> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is >not > > >> only live > > >> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette > > >> medium, and > > >> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of > > >> Nakamichi > > >> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and > > >> to a leser > > >> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using > > >> Nak gear, > > >> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about > > >> vintage > > >> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine > > >> condition. Its a > > >> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number > > >> ps-4300,and its a > > >> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like >it > > >> would > > >> give any technics a run for its money. > > >> > > >> thank you very much, > > >> gerald > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 01:31:09 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:31:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <20050116002047.KLAR2250.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: That's it! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:20:48 -0500 > >Neil, > >I think the film was 'Indecent Proposal' with Woody Harrelson as the >husband of Demi Moore. > > > > > > From: "neil lipes" > > Date: 2005/01/15 Sat PM 07:14:27 EST > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > Bala: > > > > I have to admit that I do not know...let me explain.....my cousin and I >are > > located not far from the VPI factory....I used to sell high end in >NYC....so > > I used to call Harry all the time....anyway.....he would always tell me > > what the latest new tweak was...and like all in-secure audiophiles would > > purchase same (never telling the wife) I looked at many tables before I > > went with the VPI....in fact I had a Thorens .....which was ok.....but I > > just fell in love with the piano black VPI.....it was in the feature >film > > with Robert Redford and Demi Moore...the name of which escapes me at the > > moment. > > And as the years passed I would always upgrade the table! > > > > Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel tapes today, just can't >get > > the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with my open reels.....I >love > > them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What can I say...I'm an >analog > > fool! > > > > Neil > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Neil, > > > > > > Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with the air suspension? > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >neil lipes wrote: > > >Robert: > > > > > >I have been using with great delight for years, my VPI TNT...with ET-2 >arm > > >wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage tank, and a wonderful > > >OC-9 > > >cart......between that and my three open reel decks and the 505 Nak...I > > >never have to leave my house! > > > > > >N > > > > > > >From: > > > >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > > > > > > > >Hi Gerald, > > > > > > > >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled >linear > > > >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. >It > > >is > > > >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics > > > >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of >the > > > >nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in >speed > > > >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic > > >operation > > > >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before >the > > > >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not >sure > > > >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates >the > > > >'X' series Sonys. > > > > > > > >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and >CR-7.....just > > > >wish I had more time! > > > > > > > >Robert Kent > > > > > > > >Gerald wrote: > > > > > > > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of > > > >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only >live > > > >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, >and > > > >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of >Nakamichi > > > >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a >leser > > > >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak >gear, > > > >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage > > > >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its >a > > > >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its >a > > > >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would > > > >give any technics a run for its money. > > > > > > > >thank you very much, > > > >gerald > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Get it on your mobile phone. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 16 01:58:17 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:58:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon III In-Reply-To: <000801c4fb5f$f9f897e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <002401c4fb66$778d4740$1aae4e51@oemcomputer> Kermit Regrettably, I'm in the same position as Robert, as I also join him in expressing an interest in the finished product ... esp. if its 180g vinyl !! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 16 January 2005 00:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Marathon III Hi Kermit, Well I certainly support your efforts towards the Marathon III project. It should be noted, however, that your proposed approach represents a significant departure from the first two efforts. You are proposing a professional grade compilation of original un-copywrited works for limited commercial release....all very proper. The first two Marathons were collections of copywrited works informally shared amongst friends, and not for commercial release....quasi-legal at best, but great fun. I, for one, will not be able to contribute to your effort, not having the facilities or connections to provide original recordings. I would certainly be interested in buying a copy when completed however. Robert Kent Kermit wrote: Well, I'm going out on a limb and declaring The Nakamichi Marathon III off and running! Hey, you with the saw, back off! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Jan 16 02:08:29 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:08:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] Marathon III Message-ID: <8a.1e57afe4.2f1b188d@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/2005 7:59:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Kermit > > Regrettably, I'm in the same position as Robert, as I also join him in > expressing an interest in the finished product ... esp. if its 180g vinyl !! > > Gra' > Ditto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 16 02:18:50 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:18:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BADANTH In-Reply-To: <8a.1e57afe4.2f1b188d@aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c4fb69$566c6a20$1aae4e51@oemcomputer> Good news for me - your AOL emails don't make my Outlook 98 crash anymore. I don't know why just as I never figured out why they did before!! I've not upgraded Outlook or downloaded any fixes. I always felt left out of the loop a bit as I could never read your posts unless someone else replied to them. I used to have to delete them before Outlook crashed as, when it did, I always lost some RAM that I couldn't recover without rebooting. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BADANTH at aol.com Sent: 16 January 2005 01:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon III In a message dated 1/15/2005 7:59:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: Kermit Regrettably, I'm in the same position as Robert, as I also join him in expressing an interest in the finished product ... esp. if its 180g vinyl !! Gra' Ditto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sun Jan 16 02:23:42 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:23:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal In-Reply-To: <41E96FC8.2020904@woods-and-waters.com> from "Kermit V. Gray" at Jan 15, 2005 02:32:24 PM Message-ID: <20050116012342.2C5AA17D9A@smtp.amb.org> Kermit, As already expressed by few others, these restrictions are such that home audiophiles like myself are unlikely to be able to contribute in any form to this project. I would also prefer a less commercial, more laissez-faire approach similar to Nak Marathon I & II. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik Kermit V. Gray writes: > [ ... ] > To qualify, the recording must be wholly original (simply dubbing > material onto your Nakamichi that you’ve already released on CD won’t > do), recorded within the last year or recorded this year, and recorded > in one of three technical categories: > > Category I. Recorded direct-to-two-track on a Nakamichi cassette deck > using ‘”purist” stereo microphone techniques. > > Category II. Analog multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi cassette > deck. > > Category III. Professional quality digital multitrack then mixed down > onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Professional refers to: Studer DASH, > Studer Dyaxis, Sony PCM-3324 or PCM-3348, Alesis ADAT, Tascam Modular > Digital Multitrack (DA-38, DA-88); Mitsubishi X-80 Series, Full ProTools > Systems (not ProTools Lite or the Digi001 setup), Logic Audio Platinum > running on a Macintosh ONLY -- no PC versions; 360 Systems setups and > Nagra D Series. Anything recorded onto “person digital multitracks,” > like Tascam Portastudios, Korg PocketStudio or those Mackie, Yamaha, > Akai, Roland, BOSS or similar combination multitracks/mixers are > disqualified. > > Preference will be given to Category I submissions. > > With each recording enclose these documents: > > Curricula Vitae (Your name, your address, telephone number, email and > any web sites, brief biographical paragraph, and chronological list of > your professional accomplishments.) > > Curricula Artis (The names of the artists you recorded and a brief > biography of each or of the group). > > Copy of Recording Agreement between you and the artists, or a simple > signed statement from the artists giving you permission to submit a > recording of them to The Nakamichi Marathon III. > > Track Log (Track listing of each song’s name with timings, if possible, > but don’t sweat it.) > > Recording Venue Log (Where and when the recording was made). > > Technical & Rider Log (Which Nakamichi deck used, what microphones were > used and their placement, and any other equipment used -- especially > monitors.). From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Jan 16 03:06:48 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:06:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] BADANTH Message-ID: <6b.3cb038b9.2f1b2638@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/2005 8:20:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Good news for me - your AOL emails don't make my Outlook 98 crash anymore. > I don't know why just as I never figured out why they did before!! I've not > upgraded Outlook or downloaded any fixes. > > I always felt left out of the loop a bit as I could never read your posts > unless someone else replied to them. I used to have to delete them before > Outlook crashed as, when it did, I always lost some RAM that I couldn't recover > without rebooting. > > Gra' > Wow, I didn't no I had that effect on you or your PC! ;>) It's good to see they're coming through now. I hope we get those 180G copies too! Take care, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jan 16 04:38:42 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:38:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic In-Reply-To: <004301c4fb18$42cc7920$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> References: <004301c4fb18$42cc7920$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41E9E1C2.7010903@snet.net> The late and great (at least to this list) Stephen Sank was rather vocal in his view that this was simply the best turntable he had ever heard. The disk centering seemed to be a very big deal. Of course Ron (who had never heard this beast) contended that the math would indicate that there should be NO audible difference... it was quite a debate. Ed Nelson wrote: >One can always keep TT's on topic by mentioning the amazing Nakamich Dragon >Turntable, or whatever it was called. A Fabulous record spinner than >centred records that were pressed off centre of the hole in the middle ... I >could sure do with it for some of my vinyl!! > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Gerald G. >>Sent: 15 January 2005 02:00 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post >> >> >>Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >>course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >>recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >>thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >>in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >>extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >>is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >>"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >>monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >>direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >>give any technics a run for its money. >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jan 16 04:45:45 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:45:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: <20050115185851.27865.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050115185851.27865.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E9E369.8060005@snet.net> I would have to say that if you were able to design a reliable drop in retrofit for the 1000zxl, there would certainly be a market among the many decks in need of service. Ed Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I would definitely agree with you. Parts obsolence is a serious > issue to contend with. And more so is the shelf life of silicon parts. > But I guess, the exception is that since this is an audio machine, the > logics needed to get it working could be new, but based on the same > principle. Not too long ago, I designed a replacement board for old > Tandberg reel decks based on newer chips. Its slightly complicated as > the engineers used 12V based HTL chips which makes interfacing an > issue. I think that with enough work, we could get a modern > replacement with a bank of ram chips to work the 1000ZXL. I am not > sure if we have embedded software guys among us, but I am sure they'd > agree with me. Important is, we keep it working, going. Plenty of > engineering marvels have been kept going thanks to internal changes. > The Concorde was one, the 747 is another (both being curiously first > flown in 1969) and so on. If the 1000ZXL needs a brain transplant to! > keep it alive, then we as Nakkers have to see that it gets one. > > Bala > > > Tim Barrett wrote: > > There's a big, big difference between keeping Lindbergh's plane > and a 1000ZXL working and / or serviceable. Beyond even the > perceived social value of one over the other, the technical > difficulties of restoring a 1000ZXL is much different. All of the > tools and materials and technology exist to recreate the > components in the plane. Even if original drawings and blueprints > are lost, the old parts can be used as models for new parts. Not > necessarily so for many of the electronic parts. Parts > obsolescence is a very big issue in the electronics world these > days, and the 1000ZXL is already prey to this problem. Once it's > impossible to obtain original SRAM or Processor components, you > can't just have a competent machinist custom make one for you. A > band-aid solution that involves totally different components > cobbled together and custom ! firmware loaded to emulate the > original function is a major deviation from the original machine. > How original does a 1000ZXL need to be if it is considered 'working'? > > How does a museum maintain the Software and Firmware aspects of a > display piece? Or do they bother? As long as the object still > has it's skin in good shape, do they care about what is inside of > it? Are there any museum people in the crowd who can address > this? MOMA in NY has some consumer electronics pieces in their > collection, I recall seeing some B&O equipment on display. But do > they bother to keep it working? > > Tim > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> >> Hi Kannan, >> >> I am asking this in lines of my own unit. To me, the first >> priority of getting these units to work is the sound, perhaps the >> sound of a 1000ZXL. Second, closely to the first reason is that >> as a technical achievment, someone has to keep working exampes of >> a working deck running. Three generations down, we still have >> Lindbergh's plane working. Lets keep the 1000ZXL that way and not >> like the pieces of Eniac that we have left today to remind us of >> those pioneers who thrust us into the information age and even >> made this very mail possibe. >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> >> I do not see any unique mechanical part excepting cosmetic >> parts in 1000 ZXL while very few Electronic parts - even >> some of them may have been used in 700 ZXL ( like static ram >> or microprocessor) - this is to be explored with 700 ZXl >> service manual which I do not have. >> So you do not need another 1000 ZXL ( even if you get another >> there is a good possibility that the same part may be >> defective as well ?) for restoring your 1000ZXL >> >> You need- very serious effort to set every possible fault >> right including mechanism and checking the wiring or IC >> contacts if they have used mechanical contacts. It needs >> solid time more than the parts and understanding some of the >> unique failure modes of nak decks. So it is not a Nak newbie >> project. >> >> I would say that it requires many hours of labor - sometime >> it is not worth it. >> It may be easier to get the same quality of play back by >> modifying a 582 ' playback circuit as the record circuit is >> almost same as many naks. Only major difference is auto >> calibration - that can be done by manual and can be done >> better fo a particular brand of tape. 1000 ZXL ' great >> strength as I see is in its unique Playback circuit not >> anything else. - ofcourse impressive size and you need a >> mansion to keep it. >> >> So 1000 ZXL restoration is not worth the effort unless >> somebody is willing to pay rediculous amount of money for >> restoraion than some parts. Parts are secondary. Jeff Galin >> may be willing to undertake the restoration for a price - it >> is even sensible to send it to him and wait 6-9 months to get >> back a working 1000 ZXL. >> >> Hope I have answered your question - 1000 ZXL is just a fad >> today - Yeah I am even ready to undertake 1000 ZXL >> restoration provided the owner is willing to spend good money >> on it and undertsand that it may break down in future like >> any other Nak. >> kannan >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >> Kannan, >> >> You said you do not need a spare 1000ZXL for >> most of the parts. So I resume you meant that most of >> the parts were commonly available? I was talking more >> about the unique parts which makes the 1000ZXL a >> unique challenge >> >> Bala >> --- kannan srinivasaraghavan >> wrote: >> >> > I do not understand your question? >> > kannan >> > >> > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > Hi Kannan, >> > >> > Why would you say that? And what would be >> > the unique parts besides the ABLE chips and EEPROMS? >> > >> > Bala >> > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan >> > wrote: >> > >> > > You do not need a spare 1000ZXL - for most of the >> > > parts- >> > > kannan >> > > >> > > sam tarantino wrote: >> > > Looking for parts for one of my ! 1000ZXL'S . IF> > >> somebody has dead Nak 1000zxl that is being used >> > for >> > > parts email me please. Sam >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > > protection around >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Register your Nak today! >> > > http://www.naks.com/register >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > > Maintain your account here: >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > > Tire! d of spa! m? Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. >> http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Manage less. >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! > > Get it on your mobile phone. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 06:02:12 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:02:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050116050212.35297.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Doug, I am sure that going tohelp a long way. I hae the dev package for Microchips mictrocontrollers and DSP chips. Contact me offlist and we'lll discuss more. Bala Doug Locke wrote: Bala If it helps anyone, I have the the Atmel STK500 development kit, C and basic compilers and can program the DIL packaged versions of the AVR series of microcontrollers. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 15 January 2005 19:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need 1000ZXL Parts Hi Doug, I am waiting to get some details of the 1000ZXL. When we have more understanding on how the system works within, it would make the task a bit easier. I think we dont even need external RAM to get it up and running due to the good embedded devices available as you said. I am sure, the experienced hands in this group can give better advice on this? Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmcalli at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 06:46:28 2005 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:46:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <007c01c4fb2e$686c1e40$eb9d4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050116054628.37785.qmail@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I bought my My Dragon CT new in Tokyo in 1983 and it's still going strong. I also have a Thorens with SME tone arm that I purchased in Hong Kong 1972 but there's no comparison. The Thorens requires regular maintenance but the Nakamichi has been trouble free. James Nelson wrote: Nah! In 20 years time, the Nak turntable will STILL look beautiful and sound wonderful, and give the kind of pleasure a guy of that age will appreciate much more than Carmen Electra will be able to offer by then ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 15 January 2005 17:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > Tim: > > If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen > Electra....not a piece > of metal and plastic!:-) > > >From: Tim Barrett > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 > > > >I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. > > > >Nelson wrote: > > > >>*Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * > >>** *Grinham* > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister > >> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 > >> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >> > >> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon > >> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). > >> James > >> > >> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: > >> > >> Hi Gerald, > >> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > got a servo > >> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > >> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and > >> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure > >> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features > >> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > >> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, > >> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It > >> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables > >> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 > >> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' > >> series Sonys. > >> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with > my Dragon > >>and > >> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! > >> Robert Kent > >> Gerald wrote: > >> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts > >>with glee! Of > >> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not > >> only live > >> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette > >> medium, and > >> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of > >> Nakamichi > >> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and > >> to a leser > >> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using > >> Nak gear, > >> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about > >> vintage > >> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine > >> condition. Its a > >> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number > >> ps-4300,and its a > >> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it > >> would > >> give any technics a run for its money. > >> > >> thank you very much, > >> gerald > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? 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URL: From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 07:07:52 2005 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <200501160547.j0G5lEHa029639@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Hello to all, I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading most of your posts. I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining the source code of the program. I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the source code. Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the task. As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be possible. I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). Victor From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 07:31:35 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:31:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050116063135.86636.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Victor, Thats really great news. How would you read the firmware within? Please contact me offlist. Thanks Bala Digital Voice wrote: Hello to all, I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading most of your posts. I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining the source code of the program. I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the source code. Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the task. As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be possible. I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). Victor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during quiet passages.I don't hear this with my Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that maybe some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with TDK?Peace,Keith H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 16 10:00:43 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:00:43 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D802@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I own the Sony BioTracer PS-X555ES with an Ortofon OMB 10, has not given me any troubles at all. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: rjlbjk at cox.net [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2005 1:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Jerry, I've been reading the off topic postings concerning analog in general with renewed enthusiasm. FWIW, I use a Sony BioTracer PS-X600 turntable with a Shure V15VxMR. I had nightmares galore after seeing the one picture of that incredible tape lab with the Studers, etc,... Analog in general always interests me from the studio recording right on through the end use product whether it be a RTR, cassette or LP. The whole process keeps me going. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 16 11:46:43 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:46:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic In-Reply-To: <41E9E1C2.7010903@snet.net> Message-ID: <003601c4fbb8$ab237b40$957e893e@oemcomputer> Ah yes! I do recall. Their debates were most entertaining! As well as illuminating for a greenhorn as myself, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 16 January 2005 03:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic The late and great (at least to this list) Stephen Sank was rather vocal in his view that this was simply the best turntable he had ever heard. The disk centering seemed to be a very big deal. Of course Ron (who had never heard this beast) contended that the math would indicate that there should be NO audible difference... it was quite a debate. Ed Nelson wrote: One can always keep TT's on topic by mentioning the amazing Nakamich Dragon Turntable, or whatever it was called. A Fabulous record spinner than centred records that were pressed off centre of the hole in the middle ... I could sure do with it for some of my vinyl!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gerald G. Sent: 15 January 2005 02:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. 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URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Jan 16 17:02:45 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:02:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Victor I wish all power to your elbow and look forward to hear how you get on. What processor did the 1000ZXL use? Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Digital Voice Sent: 16 January 2005 06:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Hello to all, I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading most of your posts. I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining the source code of the program. I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the source code. Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the task. As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be possible. I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). Victor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 18:22:43 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:22:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal In-Reply-To: <20050116012342.2C5AA17D9A@smtp.amb.org> References: <41E96FC8.2020904@woods-and-waters.com> <20050116012342.2C5AA17D9A@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <518b7b105011609226c46227f@mail.gmail.com> Actually, I would suggest that anyone who CAN comply with these conditions let themselves be known and we'll see whether it is at all possible in this format. I would guess not. Then it would be up to Kermit to decide if he wants to do it as per previous two occasions. George On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:23:42 -0800 (PST), Ti Kan wrote: > Kermit, > > As already expressed by few others, these restrictions are such that > home audiophiles like myself are unlikely to be able to contribute in > any form to this project. > > I would also prefer a less commercial, more laissez-faire approach > similar to Nak Marathon I & II. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > Kermit V. Gray writes: > > [ ... ] > > To qualify, the recording must be wholly original (simply dubbing > > material onto your Nakamichi that you've already released on CD won't > > do), recorded within the last year or recorded this year, and recorded > > in one of three technical categories: > > > > Category I. Recorded direct-to-two-track on a Nakamichi cassette deck > > using '"purist" stereo microphone techniques. > > > > Category II. Analog multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi cassette > > deck. > > > > Category III. Professional quality digital multitrack then mixed down > > onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Professional refers to: Studer DASH, > > Studer Dyaxis, Sony PCM-3324 or PCM-3348, Alesis ADAT, Tascam Modular > > Digital Multitrack (DA-38, DA-88); Mitsubishi X-80 Series, Full ProTools > > Systems (not ProTools Lite or the Digi001 setup), Logic Audio Platinum > > running on a Macintosh ONLY -- no PC versions; 360 Systems setups and > > Nagra D Series. Anything recorded onto "person digital multitracks," > > like Tascam Portastudios, Korg PocketStudio or those Mackie, Yamaha, > > Akai, Roland, BOSS or similar combination multitracks/mixers are > > disqualified. > > > > Preference will be given to Category I submissions. > > > > With each recording enclose these documents: > > > > Curricula Vitae (Your name, your address, telephone number, email and > > any web sites, brief biographical paragraph, and chronological list of > > your professional accomplishments.) > > > > Curricula Artis (The names of the artists you recorded and a brief > > biography of each or of the group). > > > > Copy of Recording Agreement between you and the artists, or a simple > > signed statement from the artists giving you permission to submit a > > recording of them to The Nakamichi Marathon III. > > > > Track Log (Track listing of each song's name with timings, if possible, > > but don't sweat it.) > > > > Recording Venue Log (Where and when the recording was made). > > > > Technical & Rider Log (Which Nakamichi deck used, what microphones were > > used and their placement, and any other equipment used -- especially > > monitors.). > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 18:28:09 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:28:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050116172809.60751.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C from NEC. I am trying search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far nothing on the net. Do you have any idea about this chip? Bala Doug Locke wrote: Victor I wish all power to your elbow and look forward to hear how you get on. What processor did the 1000ZXL use? Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Digital Voice Sent: 16 January 2005 06:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Hello to all, I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading most of your posts. I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining the source code of the program. I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the source code. Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the task. As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be possible. I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 18:31:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal In-Reply-To: <518b7b105011609226c46227f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050116173124.13118.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> I have done live recordings for some local people but on the two occasions, I lugged my Revox PR99 machine to the scene and did it two track on 15ips tape! Kermit's idea though is more challenging and would really create a very interesting album. Looks like we are going to have two camps and perhaps two marathons here :) Bala george valkov wrote: Actually, I would suggest that anyone who CAN comply with these conditions let themselves be known and we'll see whether it is at all possible in this format. I would guess not. Then it would be up to Kermit to decide if he wants to do it as per previous two occasions. George On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:23:42 -0800 (PST), Ti Kan wrote: > Kermit, > > As already expressed by few others, these restrictions are such that > home audiophiles like myself are unlikely to be able to contribute in > any form to this project. > > I would also prefer a less commercial, more laissez-faire approach > similar to Nak Marathon I & II. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > Kermit V. Gray writes: > > [ ... ] > > To qualify, the recording must be wholly original (simply dubbing > > material onto your Nakamichi that you've already released on CD won't > > do), recorded within the last year or recorded this year, and recorded > > in one of three technical categories: > > > > Category I. Recorded direct-to-two-track on a Nakamichi cassette deck > > using '"purist" stereo microphone techniques. > > > > Category II. Analog multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi cassette > > deck. > > > > Category III. Professional quality digital multitrack then mixed down > > onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Professional refers to: Studer DASH, > > Studer Dyaxis, Sony PCM-3324 or PCM-3348, Alesis ADAT, Tascam Modular > > Digital Multitrack (DA-38, DA-88); Mitsubishi X-80 Series, Full ProTools > > Systems (not ProTools Lite or the Digi001 setup), Logic Audio Platinum > > running on a Macintosh ONLY -- no PC versions; 360 Systems setups and > > Nagra D Series. Anything recorded onto "person digital multitracks," > > like Tascam Portastudios, Korg PocketStudio or those Mackie, Yamaha, > > Akai, Roland, BOSS or similar combination multitracks/mixers are > > disqualified. > > > > Preference will be given to Category I submissions. > > > > With each recording enclose these documents: > > > > Curricula Vitae (Your name, your address, telephone number, email and > > any web sites, brief biographical paragraph, and chronological list of > > your professional accomplishments.) > > > > Curricula Artis (The names of the artists you recorded and a brief > > biography of each or of the group). > > > > Copy of Recording Agreement between you and the artists, or a simple > > signed statement from the artists giving you permission to submit a > > recording of them to The Nakamichi Marathon III. > > > > Track Log (Track listing of each song's name with timings, if possible, > > but don't sweat it.) > > > > Recording Venue Log (Where and when the recording was made). > > > > Technical & Rider Log (Which Nakamichi deck used, what microphones were > > used and their placement, and any other equipment used -- especially > > monitors.). > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 20:27:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:27:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic Message-ID: Folks! Before the Turntable Dragon...Nakamichi make during earlier 80ties a more expensive similarly to the Dragon named 1000-TT...which was possible to fit with 3 arms on each foot! To my knowledge..these two models the more and earlier 1000-TT & later one smaller Dragon was NOT world accepted..or have a lot of problems, beside their complexity! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:46:43 -0000 > >Ah yes! I do recall. Their debates were most entertaining! As well as >illuminating for a greenhorn as myself, too. > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 16 January 2005 03:39 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic > > > The late and great (at least to this list) Stephen Sank was rather vocal >in his view that this was simply the best turntable he had ever heard. The >disk centering seemed to be a very big deal. Of course Ron (who had never >heard this beast) contended that the math would indicate that there should >be NO audible difference... it was quite a debate. > > Ed > > Nelson wrote: > >One can always keep TT's on topic by mentioning the amazing Nakamich Dragon >Turntable, or whatever it was called. A Fabulous record spinner than >centred records that were pressed off centre of the hole in the middle ... >I >could sure do with it for some of my vinyl!! > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Gerald G. >Sent: 15 January 2005 02:00 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post > > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >give any technics a run for its money. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 20:37:38 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:37:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Too much gelt to maintain! >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:27:49 +0200 > >Folks! > >Before the Turntable Dragon...Nakamichi make during earlier 80ties a more >expensive similarly to the Dragon named 1000-TT...which was possible to fit >with 3 arms on each foot! To my knowledge..these two models the more and >earlier 1000-TT & later one smaller Dragon was NOT world accepted..or have >a lot of problems, beside their complexity! > >ALEX! > > > >>From: "Nelson" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic >>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:46:43 -0000 >> >>Ah yes! I do recall. Their debates were most entertaining! As well as >>illuminating for a greenhorn as myself, too. >> >>Gra' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf >>Of Edward Noyes >> Sent: 16 January 2005 03:39 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post going on topic >> >> >> The late and great (at least to this list) Stephen Sank was rather >>vocal >>in his view that this was simply the best turntable he had ever heard. The >>disk centering seemed to be a very big deal. Of course Ron (who had never >>heard this beast) contended that the math would indicate that there should >>be NO audible difference... it was quite a debate. >> >> Ed >> >> Nelson wrote: >> >>One can always keep TT's on topic by mentioning the amazing Nakamich >>Dragon >>Turntable, or whatever it was called. A Fabulous record spinner than >>centred records that were pressed off centre of the hole in the middle ... >>I >>could sure do with it for some of my vinyl!! >> >>Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Gerald G. >>Sent: 15 January 2005 02:00 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post >> >> >>Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >>course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >>recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >>thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >>in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >>extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >>is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >>"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >>monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >>direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >>give any technics a run for its money. >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 20:38:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:38:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Message-ID: Hi Folks! Today I own 4 turntables, two Technics Sl-120/Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee (Today in use), another same brand the legendary and very smaller one SL-10 fitted with a Ortofon OMP-40, a Dual CS-721/Shure V-15 type 3 MR & my last acquired one 3 years ago a Pro-ject 6.9 fitted with a Epoch low impedance mm (Works as a MC cartridge!) 8. As I already have an a very large Lp collection...for me till I will pass to an a much better life!!!! turntable will remain with me! ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:00:43 +1100 > >I own the Sony BioTracer PS-X555ES with an Ortofon OMB 10, has not given me >any troubles at all. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: rjlbjk at cox.net [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] >Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2005 1:09 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post > > >Jerry, > >I've been reading the off topic postings concerning analog in general with >renewed enthusiasm. > >FWIW, I use a Sony BioTracer PS-X600 turntable with a Shure V15VxMR. > >I had nightmares galore after seeing the one picture of that incredible >tape >lab with the Studers, etc,... > >Analog in general always interests me from the studio recording right on >through the end use product whether it be a RTR, cassette or LP. The whole >process keeps me going. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 20:43:10 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:43:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? Message-ID: Surprise me...I have a lot of TDK...from the 70/80/90ties and silence! Where I live in Israel is an a very dry zone!!! Who knows? ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:53:44 +1100 > >I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can squeak >between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 8:39 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > > >I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice >that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it >does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it >sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's >being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during >quiet passages.I don't hear this with my >Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does >TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound >as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that maybe >some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with >TDK?Peace,Keith H. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! >http://my.yahoo.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 20:49:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:49:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? Message-ID: Yes I completely agreed with Kannan...Do exactly what he advice and I'm 100% sure that will be OK again! ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:48:26 -0800 (PST) > >This sound is not from the tape head contact area but generally from the >lubrication sheet between the tape edge and the cassette shell. Rewind and >FF few times to loosen the tape or unscrew the shell casing to reduce the >friction between the tape edge and the sheet - incase that is the reason. I >had done this on few of my casettes >kannan > >Keith Hugo wrote: >I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice >that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it >does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it >sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's >being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during >quiet passages.I don't hear this with my >Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does >TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound >as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda >disconcerting that maybe some of the music is coming >off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with >TDK?Peace,Keith H. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! >http://my.yahoo.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 16 20:00:45 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:00:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal In-Reply-To: <20050116173124.13118.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050116173124.13118.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41EAB9DD.3050901@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, I appreciate the feedback. As I sad I'm a relative newcomernand was not sure how the previous Nakathons were undertaken. Because I'm a professional, I made the assumption (you know what they say abount "never assume...") that the previous two were commercially-oriented projects. I sit corrected. Ok, actually I like the idea of having two concurrent Marathons: 1) an informal The Nakamichi Marathon III that is a more laissez-faire approach, and 2) a commercially-oriented The Nakamichi Marathon IV that follows my original concept. So if it's OK with the group, I'm eager to do both concepts. I think the idea of sharing great music around the world is fabulous -- and of course, showing off the capability of Nakamichi cassette decks (and rubbing the all-digital-only folks' noses in it at the same time) has its own appeals. My passion for great recorded music has been one of the prime movers in my life. So, then, we're off! Again, let me remind you I'm the slow methodical type. I don't do many recording projects in a year, mainly because I end up scratch-building signal processors specifically designed for each individual project (which can be time consuming). Never was able to find any off-the-shelf commerically manufactured equipment (including LA2As) that gave me the results I wanted, and hence have had to build most of what was used on each project I've undertaken. Maybe that's yet another reason why I am so passionate about my Naakmichis -- I never found myself wishing I could build my own cassette deck that sounded better. (Although I did build a cassette deck from scratch once just to try it. It looked impressive but was nowhere as good as my Naks. The heads and transport weren't anywhere near as good and my idea for an all-valve Dolby-compatible noise reduction didn't work too well.) N-Joy! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I have done live recordings for some local people but on the two > occasions, I lugged my Revox PR99 machine to the scene and did it two > track on 15ips tape! Kermit's idea though is more challenging and would > really create a very interesting album. Looks like we are going to have > two camps and perhaps two marathons here :) > > Bala > > */george valkov /* wrote: > > Actually, I would suggest that anyone who CAN comply with these > conditions let themselves be known and we'll see whether it is at all > possible in this format. I would guess not. Then it would be up to > Kermit to decide if he wants to do it as per previous two occasions. > > George > > > On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:23:42 -0800 (PST), Ti Kan wrote: > > Kermit, > > > > As already expressed by few others, these restrictions are such that > > home audiophiles like myself are unlikely to be able to contribute in > > any form to this project. > > > > I would also prefer a less commercial, more laissez-faire approach > > similar to Nak Marathon I & II. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > Ti Kan > > http://www.amb.org/ti > > Vorsprung durch Technik > > > > Kermit V. Gray writes: > > > [ ... ] > &! gt; > To qualify, the recording must be wholly original (simply > dubbing > > > material onto your Nakamichi that you've already released on CD > won't > > > do), recorded within the last year or recorded this year, and > recorded > > > in one of three technical categories: > > > > > > Category I. Recorded direct-to-two-track on a Nakamichi > cassette deck > > > using '"purist" stereo microphone techniques. > > > > > > Category II. Analog multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi > cassette > > > deck. > > > > > > Category III. Professional quality digital multitrack then > mixed down > > > onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Professional refers to: Studer > DASH, > > > Studer Dyaxis, Sony PCM-3324 or PCM-3348, Alesis ADAT, Tascam > Modular > > > Digital Multitrack (DA-38, DA-88); Mitsubishi X-80 Series, Full > ProTools > > > Systems (not ProTools Lite or the Digi001 setup), Logic Audio > Platinum> > running on a Macintosh ONLY -- no PC versions; 360 > Systems setups and > > > Nagra D Series. Anything recorded onto "person digital > multitracks," > > > like Tascam Portastudios, Korg PocketStudio or those Mackie, > Yamaha, > > > Akai, Roland, BOSS or similar combination multitracks/mixers are > > > disqualified. > > > > > > Preference will be given to Category I submissions. > > > > > > With each recording enclose these documents: > > > > > > Curricula Vitae (Your name, your address, telephone number, > email and > > > any web sites, brief biographical paragraph, and chronological > list of > > > your professional accomplishments.) > > > > > > Curricula Artis (The names of the artists you recorded and a brief > > > biography of each or of the group). > > > > > > Copy of Recording Agreement between you and the artists, or a > simple > > > signed statement! from the artists giving you permission to > submit a > > > recording of them to The Nakamichi Marathon III. > > > > > > Track Log (Track listing of each song's name with timings, if > possible, > > > but don't sweat it.) > > > > > > Recording Venue Log (Where and when the recording was made). > > > > > > Technical & Rider Log (Which Nakamichi deck used, what > microphones were > > > used and their placement, and any other equipment used -- > especially > > > monitors.). > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 21:01:55 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:01:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. Message-ID: I love only "Originally" Nak finished machine...NO mod's!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:43:07 -0000 > >I'd probably agree, Bleus, if my machine were not already modified when I >got it. I presently still have no idea of what a stock, factory spec ZX9 >sounds like because I've never heard one. However, I have had the chance >to >compare mine with a factory spec CR7 and felt that my modified ZX9 had the >edge when I compared recordings made on both to the source material. >However, that ought not be and I've never heard anyone say a ZX-9 were more >accurate than a CR7, although I have heard people say they prefer it to the >other. And it ought to make sense - the CR7 is the more modern machine, >plus it's got a very much shorter signal path. (The ZX9 is most >uneconomical in this respect, as is - Stephen Sank used to say - the ZX7. >One of his ideas was to take a ZX9 and re-wire it. I don't know if he ever >got around to doing it - probably not.) So, I assume this boost in >performance that I have heard, that over and above a superb CR7, must be >due >to the Tom van den Hoff modification. (Stephen used to do some kind of >mod'to Dragon's, I believe, which allegedly also rose them up a notch, >too.) > >However, if he were here, I dare say Ron would add a cautionary note, which >would be that whenever some one decides they believe in some kind of >"upgrade" to the extent of paying for it, they will almost certainly "hear" >a difference after it's done even if there is no real difference! I'm >losing count of the number of people I come across who say they "upgraded" >this or that separate for another and later revert back to the original >because they find it sounded better than they originally thought ... Yeah, >right! > >Nevertheless, I bought the CR7 expecting it to be better than the ZX-9 >because just about everyone I ever read or spoke to on the subject told me >it would be. I was actually rather disappointed that it wasn't. Nor was >the >adjustable play back azimuth the great revelation I'd expect with >pre-recorded tapes or the tapes made on my old Aiwa and Superscope machines >... my Pioneer CTS830S did a much better job, especially with old, dull >tapes, of bringing them back to life. So, having no need of the additional >cassette machine (and I still have a BX-1 that I don't use ... but can't >face letting it go because it was a present from Stephen ... yeah, I know - >too sentimental ...)I sold the CR-7 and now primarily use the ZX-9 and >Pioneer, with the Superscope for when I'm doing any recording with >microphones. (Recorded a wonderful Gale the other night, with gusts up to >100mph plus - yeah, a baby compared to what some of you guys get on the >East >Coast, but it made a lovely noise nevertheless.) > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of KJ Bleus > Sent: 15 January 2005 05:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. > > > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > I'm curious what the importance of these madifications are about. >Honestly, our Nak decks are superb machines, hardly needing anything more >than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of vital parts. When set >to >Nak engineering specs, these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in >performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. Spending $$$'s for mods >seems silly, beyond necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's >needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck with mods is certainly >impressive, yet I still question the real advantages of tinkering with the >innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out of these superbly >engineered electronic marvels. Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt >about that, when properly maintained and , of course, used regularly with >tender loving attention and care. > > Comments on the importance of modifications, supporting or criticizing, >I'd like to read about and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk >friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. I'm using standard >issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in >repair status). What are some of the other NakTalkers opinions about the >worth of modifications? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > > kjbleus at lycos.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jan 16 21:14:02 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41EACB0A.3000000@snet.net> It's time for me to say that this is the sort of thread and community spirit that reminds me of what a great forum NakTalk truly was at one time. While I am certain that I will never directly benefit from the design of a 1000ZXL circuit replacement ($$$ that I'll never have), am as excited by the kind of conversation and offers by members as any owner could be! Ed Digital Voice wrote: >Hello to all, > >I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading >most of your posts. >I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specifically by obtaining the >source code of the program. >I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and >I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. >It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. >The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the source >code. >Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design >(25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the >task. >As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. >After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be >possible. >I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). > >Victor > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jan 16 21:18:32 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:18:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D801@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D801@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <41EACC18.5020607@snet.net> I've owned quite a few old pre recorded tapes that became very squeaky when the tape lubricant itself began to dry up. What was most interesting was that the squeaking sound was amplified through the speakers and permanently printed to the tape so that it would play with the squeal in the speakers even if the tape wasn't squeaking when played back again. I recall later seeing an article in Audio about problems with tape aging where they made reference to this same thing happening. Ed Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can squeak >between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 8:39 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > > >I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice >that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it >does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it >sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's >being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during >quiet passages.I don't hear this with my >Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does >TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound >as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that maybe >some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with >TDK?Peace,Keith H. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! >http://my.yahoo.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 22:06:09 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:06:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050116210609.20855.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> And how are you going to read the internal ROM. SJ --- Digital Voice wrote: > Hello to all, > > I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading > most of your posts. > I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining > the > source code of the program. > I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago > and > I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of > weeks. > It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the > trick. > The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the > source > code. > Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic > design > (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by > the > task. > As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. > After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would > be > possible. > I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). > > Victor > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 16 23:19:48 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:19:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <41EACB0A.3000000@snet.net> Message-ID: <000d01c4fc19$7d94c420$d3f14c51@oemcomputer> Well said, Ed. If this idea gets off the ground, it will take Nak' and analogue cassette preservation to a new level. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 16 January 2005 20:14 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > It's time for me to say that this is the sort of thread and community > spirit that reminds me of what a great forum NakTalk truly was at one > time. While I am certain that I will never directly benefit from the > design of a 1000ZXL circuit replacement ($$$ that I'll never have), am > as excited by the kind of conversation and offers by members as any > owner could be! Ed > > > From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Jan 16 21:14:20 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:14:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sqweaky TDK cassette's? Message-ID: <200501161514_MC3-1-933E-148C@compuserve.com> Hi Keith, Tom: I have written many times before about the same problem. My 700zxe makes a fine squeek when playing BASF and some pre-recorded tapes. This noise is definitely mechanical, but not sure if it is the cassette shell or the tape when going through the head assembly of the deck. But never had a problem with TDK's though. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:53:44 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D801 at mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can squeak between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 8:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during quiet passages.I don't hear this with my Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that maybe some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this with TDK?Peace,Keith H. < From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 23:27:21 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal Message-ID: Hey Mr. Grey! Maybe you should join forces with the great Keith O. Johnson (aka Prof. Johnson) his focus-gap recordings set many standards in the industry....his work was truly ground breaking, ever listen to any of his work for Reference Recordings? .........a genius! N >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Nakamichi Marathon III Proposal >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:00:45 -0500 > >Hi Guys, > >I appreciate the feedback. As I sad I'm a relative newcomernand was not >sure how the previous Nakathons were undertaken. > >Because I'm a professional, I made the assumption (you know what they say >abount "never assume...") that the previous two were commercially-oriented >projects. > >I sit corrected. > >Ok, actually I like the idea of having two concurrent Marathons: > >1) an informal The Nakamichi Marathon III that is a more laissez-faire >approach, and > >2) a commercially-oriented The Nakamichi Marathon IV that follows my >original concept. > >So if it's OK with the group, I'm eager to do both concepts. I think the >idea of sharing great music around the world is fabulous -- and of course, >showing off the capability of Nakamichi cassette decks (and rubbing the >all-digital-only folks' noses in it at the same time) has its own appeals. >My passion for great recorded music has been one of the prime movers in my >life. > >So, then, we're off! Again, let me remind you I'm the slow methodical type. >I don't do many recording projects in a year, mainly because I end up >scratch-building signal processors specifically designed for each >individual project (which can be time consuming). Never was able to find >any off-the-shelf commerically manufactured equipment (including LA2As) >that gave me the results I wanted, and hence have had to build most of what >was used on each project I've undertaken. > >Maybe that's yet another reason why I am so passionate about my Naakmichis >-- I never found myself wishing I could build my own cassette deck that >sounded better. (Although I did build a cassette deck from scratch once >just to try it. It looked impressive but was nowhere as good as my Naks. >The heads and transport weren't anywhere near as good and my idea for an >all-valve Dolby-compatible noise reduction didn't work too well.) > >N-Joy! > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>I have done live recordings for some local people but on the two >>occasions, I lugged my Revox PR99 machine to the scene and did it two >>track on 15ips tape! Kermit's idea though is more challenging and would >>really create a very interesting album. Looks like we are going to have >>two camps and perhaps two marathons here :) >> Bala >> >>*/george valkov /* wrote: >> >> Actually, I would suggest that anyone who CAN comply with these >> conditions let themselves be known and we'll see whether it is at all >> possible in this format. I would guess not. Then it would be up to >> Kermit to decide if he wants to do it as per previous two occasions. >> >> George >> >> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:23:42 -0800 (PST), Ti Kan wrote: >> > Kermit, >> > >> > As already expressed by few others, these restrictions are such >>that >> > home audiophiles like myself are unlikely to be able to contribute >>in >> > any form to this project. >> > >> > I would also prefer a less commercial, more laissez-faire approach >> > similar to Nak Marathon I & II. >> > >> > -Ti >> > -- >> > Ti Kan >> > http://www.amb.org/ti >> > Vorsprung durch Technik >> > >> > Kermit V. Gray writes: >> > > [ ... ] >> &! gt; > To qualify, the recording must be wholly original (simply >> dubbing >> > > material onto your Nakamichi that you've already released on CD >> won't >> > > do), recorded within the last year or recorded this year, and >> recorded >> > > in one of three technical categories: >> > > >> > > Category I. Recorded direct-to-two-track on a Nakamichi >> cassette deck >> > > using '"purist" stereo microphone techniques. >> > > >> > > Category II. Analog multitrack then mixed down onto a Nakamichi >> cassette >> > > deck. >> > > >> > > Category III. Professional quality digital multitrack then >> mixed down >> > > onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. Professional refers to: Studer >> DASH, >> > > Studer Dyaxis, Sony PCM-3324 or PCM-3348, Alesis ADAT, Tascam >> Modular >> > > Digital Multitrack (DA-38, DA-88); Mitsubishi X-80 Series, Full >> ProTools >> > > Systems (not ProTools Lite or the Digi001 setup), Logic Audio >> Platinum> > running on a Macintosh ONLY -- no PC versions; 360 >> Systems setups and >> > > Nagra D Series. Anything recorded onto "person digital >> multitracks," >> > > like Tascam Portastudios, Korg PocketStudio or those Mackie, >> Yamaha, >> > > Akai, Roland, BOSS or similar combination multitracks/mixers are >> > > disqualified. >> > > >> > > Preference will be given to Category I submissions. >> > > >> > > With each recording enclose these documents: >> > > >> > > Curricula Vitae (Your name, your address, telephone number, >> email and >> > > any web sites, brief biographical paragraph, and chronological >> list of >> > > your professional accomplishments.) >> > > >> > > Curricula Artis (The names of the artists you recorded and a >>brief >> > > biography of each or of the group). >> > > >> > > Copy of Recording Agreement between you and the artists, or a >> simple >> > > signed statement! from the artists giving you permission to >> submit a >> > > recording of them to The Nakamichi Marathon III. >> > > >> > > Track Log (Track listing of each song's name with timings, if >> possible, >> > > but don't sweat it.) >> > > >> > > Recording Venue Log (Where and when the recording was made). >> > > >> > > Technical & Rider Log (Which Nakamichi deck used, what >> microphones were >> > > used and their placement, and any other equipment used -- >> especially >> > > monitors.). >> > >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! 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Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 23:30:11 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:30:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? Message-ID: I have this problem with many of my open reel tapes.....I have to "bake" them and then transfer to newer media...then toss the old tape! N >From: Edward Noyes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:18:32 -0500 > >I've owned quite a few old pre recorded tapes that became very squeaky when >the tape lubricant itself began to dry up. What was most interesting was >that the squeaking sound was amplified through the speakers and permanently >printed to the tape so that it would play with the squeal in the speakers >even if the tape wasn't squeaking when played back again. I recall later >seeing an article in Audio about problems with tape aging where they made >reference to this same thing happening. > >Ed > >Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > >>I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can >>squeak >>between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. >> >> Tom. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, 16 January >>2005 8:39 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >> >> >>I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice >>that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it >>does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it >>sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's >>being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during >>quiet passages.I don't hear this with my >>Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does >>TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound >>as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that >>maybe >>some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this >>with >>TDK?Peace,Keith H. >> >> >> >>__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - >>Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 16 23:31:27 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:31:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <41EACB0A.3000000@snet.net> References: <20050116060752.61785.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> <41EACB0A.3000000@snet.net> Message-ID: <8471.80.57.197.177.1105914687.squirrel@80.57.197.177> Right on the spot Ed! As a 1000ZXL owner and long time member of Naktalk i think this is the most innovative thread in a long time. PLease keep us posted all on your progress positive or negative.. In the past i've done some MC68000 machine language programming so if this is similar then i could be of help too. Wouter > It's time for me to say that this is the sort of thread and community > spirit that reminds me of what a great forum NakTalk truly was at one > time. While I am certain that I will never directly benefit from the > design of a 1000ZXL circuit replacement ($$$ that I'll never have), am > as excited by the kind of conversation and offers by members as any > owner could be! Ed > > > Digital Voice wrote: > >>Hello to all, >> >>I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading >>most of your posts. >>I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specifically by obtaining the >>source code of the program. >>I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and >>I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. >>It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. >>The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the source >>code. >>Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design >>(25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the >>task. >>As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. >>After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be >>possible. >>I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). >> >>Victor From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 16 23:36:28 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:36:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c4fc1b$d17c0920$d3f14c51@oemcomputer> Neil To what temperature do you bake them? I am wondering if it may be possible to restore some of my really early original Memorex Chrome Dioxide cassette tapes, which seem to flake as soon as I look at them! Gra > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 16 January 2005 22:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > > > I have this problem with many of my open reel tapes.....I have to "bake" > them and then transfer to newer media...then toss the old tape! > > N > > >From: Edward Noyes > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:18:32 -0500 > > > >I've owned quite a few old pre recorded tapes that became very > squeaky when > >the tape lubricant itself began to dry up. What was most interesting was > >that the squeaking sound was amplified through the speakers and > permanently > >printed to the tape so that it would play with the squeal in the > speakers > >even if the tape wasn't squeaking when played back again. I recall later > >seeing an article in Audio about problems with tape aging where > they made > >reference to this same thing happening. > > > >Ed > > > >Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > >>I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can > >>squeak > >>between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. > >> > >> Tom. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, > 16 January > >>2005 8:39 AM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > >> > >> > >>I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice > >>that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it > >>does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it > >>sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's > >>being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during > >>quiet passages.I don't hear this with my > >>Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does > >>TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound > >>as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that > >>maybe > >>some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this > >>with > >>TDK?Peace,Keith H. > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new > My Yahoo! - > >>Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com > >> > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >> > >> > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 00:06:40 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050116210609.20855.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050116230640.49477.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah I think this microprcessor has a masked eprom or prom- like CR 7 remote control chip. My gut feeling is that one cannot design completely compatible plug in module - but redesign a new boards connecting to large number of Logic inputs and outputs - after understanding the actual function and conditional logic embedded in the processor. Bit a more time consuming than finding what is going wrong in 1000 ZXL - from what I gathered from variuos discussions - only static ram needs replacement not the microprocessor. I have not seen any Nak product microprocessor ever failing on their own - only when wrong connector plugged in to a CR 3 it failed. 700 ZXE and 700 ZXL may use same Microprocessor for instance. so guys find out what is going wrong before embarking on complete redesign of the brain of 1000 ZXL My wishes to you all who is participating in this effort even though I may not be using any of these developments. kannan Scott Johnson wrote: And how are you going to read the internal ROM. SJ --- Digital Voice wrote: > Hello to all, > > I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading > most of your posts. > I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining > the > source code of the program. > I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago > and > I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of > weeks. > It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the > trick. > The complex part will be understanding and then comenting the > source > code. > Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic > design > (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by > the > task. > As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. > After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would > be > possible. > I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). > > Victor > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 17 00:24:10 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:24:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D803@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi guys, could not help but notice that the processor is an NEC brand. I might be able to help because I work at NEC and may be able to track down the datasheet for you. Currently I'm on holidays for this week but I will e-mail some people at work to see if they can help me. I'll keep you posted. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 4:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Hi Doug, Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C from NEC. I am trying search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far nothing on the net. Do you have any idea about this chip? Bala Doug Locke wrote: Victor I wish all power to your elbow and look forward to hear how you get on. What processor did the 1000ZXL use? Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Digital Voice Sent: 16 January 2005 06:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Hello to all, I don't think I've posted on the list before, but I've been reading most of your posts. I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly by obtaining the source code of the program. I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a year or so ago and I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a couple of weeks. It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) should do the trick. The complex part will be understanding and then comenting ! the source code. Having the service manual and lots of experience in electronic design (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm not scared by the task. As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date flash micro would be possible. I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, hehehe!). 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URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 01:32:18 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:32:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: <001a01c4fc1b$d17c0920$d3f14c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Gra: I do not know how you would do cassettes! I "bake" my tape on "cores" then transfer. >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:36:28 -0000 > >Neil > >To what temperature do you bake them? I am wondering if it may be possible >to restore some of my really early original Memorex Chrome Dioxide cassette >tapes, which seem to flake as soon as I look at them! > >Gra > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 16 January 2005 22:30 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > > > > > > I have this problem with many of my open reel tapes.....I have to "bake" > > them and then transfer to newer media...then toss the old tape! > > > > N > > > > >From: Edward Noyes > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > > >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:18:32 -0500 > > > > > >I've owned quite a few old pre recorded tapes that became very > > squeaky when > > >the tape lubricant itself began to dry up. What was most interesting >was > > >that the squeaking sound was amplified through the speakers and > > permanently > > >printed to the tape so that it would play with the squeal in the > > speakers > > >even if the tape wasn't squeaking when played back again. I recall >later > > >seeing an article in Audio about problems with tape aging where > > they made > > >reference to this same thing happening. > > > > > >Ed > > > > > >Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > >>I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can > > >>squeak > > >>between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. > > >> > > >> Tom. > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, > > 16 January > > >>2005 8:39 AM > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? > > >> > > >> > > >>I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice > > >>that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it > > >>does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it > > >>sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's > > >>being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during > > >>quiet passages.I don't hear this with my > > >>Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does > > >>TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound > > >>as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting that > > >>maybe > > >>some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear this > > >>with > > >>TDK?Peace,Keith H. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new > > My Yahoo! - > > >>Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com > > >> > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� > > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Jan 17 01:36:25 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:36:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050116172809.60751.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala An update, one of my reference books has a short section on the processor and specifies it as a 4 bit microcomputer which (confirming Kannan's points) has on chip mask programmed ROM and was intended for high volume applications. Apparently it is the top processor in a series and has an on board 6 bit A/D converter, 6 bit on chip event counter and 2048 words of program memory. The average instruction time is quoted as a very slooooow 10 micro seconds! There are 2 1/2 pages including pin outs and architecture which I would be happy to scan and send to you if you wish. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 January 2005 17:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Hi Doug, Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C from NEC. I am trying search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far nothing on the net. Do you have any idea about this chip? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inthegarageworking at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 01:46:35 2005 From: inthegarageworking at yahoo.com (sam tarantino) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:46:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need 1000ZXL Parts Message-ID: <20050117004635.58000.qmail@web51804.mail.yahoo.com> --- sam tarantino wrote: > Have you worked on any 1000ZXL'S ? Some of the grain > of wheat PL lights are very hard to find. ESL won't > sell any , they save their stock for the $3000.00 > thousand dollar rebuilds . I also need one control > nob > and a slider nob. I just picked up a 1000ZXL limited > gold , it was a demo/ display unit. It has maybe 10 > hours playing time , but close to 20 years of being > left on! Replaced all the belts , the stop function > button light was burned > out.It fits in a rubber grommet , old bulb size is > 4mm > > 12v 60ma! Lots of 3& 5 mm bulbs but no 4mm. Any > ideas? > I > took the needed bulb out of one of my other Black > 1000ZXL's > that i pickup off of ebay. The black Nak just needed > some > love,belts, bulbs,also missing some mis. nobs. > Thanks, > Sam > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jan 17 03:48:57 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:48:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EB2799.4020900@snet.net> Ideally you would have a good temperature controlled convection oven. I believe the ideal temperature is around 120 degrees Fahrenheit. The tape should "bake" for no less than 6 hours and will be rendered playable for a couple of days before becoming useless. If you could do this without melting the cassette shell... Ed neil lipes wrote: > Gra: > > I do not know how you would do cassettes! I "bake" my tape on "cores" > then transfer. > >> From: "Nelson" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:36:28 -0000 >> >> Neil >> >> To what temperature do you bake them? I am wondering if it may be >> possible >> to restore some of my really early original Memorex Chrome Dioxide >> cassette >> tapes, which seem to flake as soon as I look at them! >> >> Gra >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of neil lipes >> > Sent: 16 January 2005 22:30 >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >> > >> > >> > I have this problem with many of my open reel tapes.....I have to >> "bake" >> > them and then transfer to newer media...then toss the old tape! >> > >> > N >> > >> > >From: Edward Noyes >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >> > >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:18:32 -0500 >> > > >> > >I've owned quite a few old pre recorded tapes that became very >> > squeaky when >> > >the tape lubricant itself began to dry up. What was most >> interesting was >> > >that the squeaking sound was amplified through the speakers and >> > permanently >> > >printed to the tape so that it would play with the squeal in the >> > speakers >> > >even if the tape wasn't squeaking when played back again. I recall >> later >> > >seeing an article in Audio about problems with tape aging where >> > they made >> > >reference to this same thing happening. >> > > >> > >Ed >> > > >> > >Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >> > > >> > >>I good guess would be the guide reels inside the cassette, these can >> > >>squeak >> > >>between the actual pin that holds the reel and the reel itself. >> > >> >> > >> Tom. >> > >> >> > >>-----Original Message----- >> > >>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, >> > 16 January >> > >>2005 8:39 AM >> > >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> > >>Subject: [naktalk] Sqweaky TDK cassette's? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>I don't know if anybody else notices this but i notice >> > >>that just about all my TDK's old and new sqweak,it >> > >>does'nt sound like it's coming from the mechanism's it >> > >>sounds like it's coming from the actual tape as it's >> > >>being dragged accross the heads,really annoying during >> > >>quiet passages.I don't hear this with my >> > >>Maxell's,there dead silent..What kind of binder does >> > >>TDK use that would make this rubbing sqweaking sound >> > >>as the tape is moving accross the heads?It's kinda disconcerting >> that >> > >>maybe >> > >>some of the music is coming off with the sqweak.Any one else hear >> this >> > >>with >> > >>TDK?Peace,Keith H. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new >> > My Yahoo! - >> > >>Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >>Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >>Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from >> McAfee® >> > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From karakapas at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 04:37:05 2005 From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:37:05 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks TD500 Message-ID: Nakamichi TD500 I have an opportunity to get hold of a Naks TD500. Looking up postings of it, it appears to be single capstan as opposed to the dual capstan TD700. However, it does have the all important azimuth playback control which I am looking for. I would prefer a TD700 but it could be a long wait. I have several uses for it and might be tempted to uses it at home. Would a automobile set like the TD500/700 produce audio quality equivalent to say the Naks Cassette Deck 1 or DR1 which have the playback azimuth control which I am looking for? (N.B. I have discounted Dragon/DR7A or for that matter the TD1200 as they would be overkill for me). On the other hand, would I be better off waiting for a Cassette Deck 1/DR1 to appear. I read in a thread, on Naktalk that Cassette Deck 1 suffers from a prone to fail Matsushita motor. Not sure about the same for the DR1. Were I to use a TD500 domestically, would it simply mean hooking it up to a commercially available a/c to 12V transformer supply. What then would be the ideal current supply in mA require of it? Thanks, would appreciate anyone with information on this. Ben Ng _________________________________________________________________ Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 04:49:41 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:49:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D803@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20050117034941.20790.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, That would be really great news. You can email it to me or to Victor (livingvoice..). Bala --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi guys, could not help but notice that the > processor is an NEC brand. I > might be able to help because I work at NEC and may > be able to track down > the datasheet for you. Currently I'm on holidays for > this week but I will > e-mail some people at work to see if they can help > me. I'll keep you posted. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 4:28 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hi Doug, > > Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C > from NEC. I am trying > search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far > nothing on the net. Do > you have any idea about this chip? > > Bala > > Doug Locke wrote: > > Victor > I wish all power to your elbow and look forward to > hear how you get on. > What processor did the 1000ZXL use? > > Regards. > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Digital Voice > Sent: 16 January 2005 06:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hello to all, > > I don't think I've posted on the list before, but > I've been reading > most of your posts. > I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly > by obtaining the > source code of the program. > I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a > year or so ago and > I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a > couple of weeks. > It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) > should do the trick. > The complex part will be understanding and then > comenting ! the source > code. > Having the service manual and lots of experience in > electronic design > (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm > not scared by the > task. > As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. > After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date > flash micro would be > possible. > I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, > hehehe!). > > Victor > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > _____ > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn > > more. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 04:51:41 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:51:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117035142.21052.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Long shot, but it may be worth a try. One of they guys here in Naktalk has some pages of the datasheet on it though. Bala --- Doug Locke wrote: > Bala > Afraid not, is it possible to get some information > from Nakamichi themselves > regarding this? > > Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 16 January 2005 17:28 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hi Doug, > > Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C > from NEC. I am trying > search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far > nothing on the net. Do > you have any idea about this chip? > > Bala > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 04:53:47 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:53:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <000d01c4fc19$7d94c420$d3f14c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050117035347.36677.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Well this is kind of spirit I was looking for when I said about Lindbergh's plane (wasnt it also named the Spirit?) and preservation. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Well said, Ed. If this idea gets off the ground, it > will take Nak' and > analogue cassette preservation to a new level. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Edward Noyes > > Sent: 16 January 2005 20:14 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > > > > It's time for me to say that this is the sort of > thread and community > > spirit that reminds me of what a great forum > NakTalk truly was at one > > time. While I am certain that I will never > directly benefit from the > > design of a 1000ZXL circuit replacement ($$$ that > I'll never have), am > > as excited by the kind of conversation and offers > by members as any > > owner could be! Ed > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 05:09:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:09:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117040903.47243.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> --- Doug Locke wrote: Doug, I came to that realization that had to be mask programmed after talking to Victor and checking out some 48 series NS processors. I guess this sort of of things could be part of the high cost of the 1000ZXL. Anyway, I am guessing but a 8 bit modern controller running a 4Mhz clock could easily outpeform this circuit? Bala > Bala > An update, one of my reference books has a short > section on the processor > and specifies it as a 4 bit microcomputer which > (confirming Kannan's points) > has on chip mask programmed ROM and was intended for > high volume > applications. Apparently it is the top processor in > a series and has an on > board 6 bit A/D converter, 6 bit on chip event > counter and 2048 words of > program memory. The average instruction time is > quoted as a very slooooow 10 > micro seconds! > There are 2 1/2 pages including pin outs and > architecture which I would be > happy to scan and send to you if you wish. > > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 16 January 2005 17:28 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hi Doug, > > Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C > from NEC. I am trying > search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far > nothing on the net. Do > you have any idea about this chip? > > Bala > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From ti at amb.org Mon Jan 17 05:28:39 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:28:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks TD500 In-Reply-To: from "ng ben" at Jan 17, 2005 11:37:05 AM Message-ID: <20050117042840.14B8A24554@smtp.amb.org> ng ben writes: > Nakamichi TD500 > ... > I have several uses for it and might be tempted to uses it at home. Would > a automobile set like the TD500/700 produce audio quality equivalent to say > the Naks Cassette Deck 1 or DR1 which have the playback azimuth control > which I am looking for? (N.B. I have discounted Dragon/DR7A or for that > matter the TD1200 as they would be overkill for me). On the other hand, > would I be better off waiting for a Cassette Deck 1/DR1 to appear. I read > in a thread, on Naktalk that Cassette Deck 1 suffers from a prone to fail > Matsushita motor. Not sure about the same for the DR1. Were I to use a > TD500 domestically, would it simply mean hooking it up to a commercially > available a/c to 12V transformer supply. What then would be the ideal > current supply in mA require of it? You need a 12V DC power supply, a couple of amperes of max output current capacity should be sufficient. Also, I am not sure about the TD500, but the TD700 only has line outputs so you will need either an outboard power amp, or amplified speakers. The TD500 is probably similar. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 05:38:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:38:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: Hi James! In the past I also own a few Thorens, the "Maintenance"...is really minimum...4 drops of oil each 3 years,on the bearing & hole and replacement of the belt...SO WHAT!!!!!. Much cheaper that the CT-Dragon...WHICH...ALSO need bearing lubrication so the Thorens...OK...NO belts replacement! ALEX! >From: James McAllister >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:46:28 -0800 (PST) > >I bought my My Dragon CT new in Tokyo in 1983 and it's still going strong. >I also have a Thorens with SME tone arm that I purchased in Hong Kong 1972 >but there's no comparison. The Thorens requires regular maintenance but >the Nakamichi has been trouble free. > >James > >Nelson wrote: >Nah! In 20 years time, the Nak turntable will STILL look beautiful and >sound wonderful, and give the kind of pleasure a guy of that age will >appreciate much more than Carmen Electra will be able to offer by then ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of neil lipes > > Sent: 15 January 2005 17:20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > > > Tim: > > > > If a guy is going to wrestle, better do it for Carmen > > Electra....not a piece > > of metal and plastic!:-) > > > > >From: Tim Barrett > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 > > > > > >I too, lust after a Dragon CT. I'll arm wrestle you for it, Graham. > > > > > >Nelson wrote: > > > > > >>*Lucky boy! Leave it me in your Will?? * > > >>** *Grinham* > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* James McAllister > > >> *Sent:* 15 January 2005 11:38 > > >> *To:* rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >> > > >> I have a Nakamichi Dragon CT turntable to record to my Dragon > > >> cassette deck. Keeps everything in the same family ;-). > > >> James > > >> > > >> */rjkent at comcast.net/* wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Gerald, > > >> I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > > got a servo > > >> controlled linear brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > > >> based speed lock circuit. It is still working perfectly, and > > >> sounds as good as my newer Technics SL-1200MK2. I run Shure > > >> V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the nice features > > >> that came along in the late 70s like the the built in speed > > >> strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, > > >> automatic operation for three different record sizes, etc. It > > >> weighs 26 pounds. Before the Sony, I had a few Dual turtables > > >> that were very acceptable. I'm not sure where your PS-4300 > > >> fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the 'X' > > >> series Sonys. > > >> I use the Technics at my dubbing station with > > my Dragon > > >>and > > >> CR-7.....just wish I had more time! > > >> Robert Kent > > >> Gerald wrote: > > >> Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts > > >>with glee! Of > > >> course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not > > >> only live > > >> recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette > > >> medium, and > > >> thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of > > >> Nakamichi > > >> in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and > > >> to a leser > > >> extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using > > >> Nak gear, > > >> is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about > > >> vintage > > >> "Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine > > >> condition. Its a > > >> monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number > > >> ps-4300,and its a > > >> direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it > > >> would > > >> give any technics a run for its money. > > >> > > >> thank you very much, > > >> gerald > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Is your PC infected? 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ALEX! >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 > >Bala: > >I have to admit that I do not know...let me explain.....my cousin and I are >located not far from the VPI factory....I used to sell high end in >NYC....so I used to call Harry all the time....anyway.....he would always >tell me what the latest new tweak was...and like all in-secure audiophiles >would purchase same (never telling the wife) I looked at many tables >before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a Thorens .....which was >ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano black VPI.....it was in the >feature film with Robert Redford and Demi Moore...the name of which escapes >me at the moment. >And as the years passed I would always upgrade the table! > >Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel tapes today, just can't get >the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with my open reels.....I love >them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What can I say...I'm an analog >fool! > >Neil > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) >> >>Hi Neil, >> >> Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with the air suspension? >> >>Bala >> >>neil lipes wrote: >>Robert: >> >>I have been using with great delight for years, my VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm >>wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage tank, and a wonderful >>OC-9 >>cart......between that and my three open reel decks and the 505 Nak...I >>never have to leave my house! >> >>N >> >> >From: >> >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> >To: >> >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 >> > >> >Hi Gerald, >> > >> >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got a servo controlled >>linear >> >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based speed lock circuit. It >>is >> >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as my newer Technics >> >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. The Sony has some of the >> >nice features that came along in the late 70s like the the built in >>speed >> >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and lowerer, automatic >>operation >> >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs 26 pounds. Before the >> >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very acceptable. I'm not sure >> >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but I think it pre-dates the >> >'X' series Sonys. >> > >> >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my Dragon and >>CR-7.....just >> >wish I had more time! >> > >> >Robert Kent >> > >> >Gerald wrote: >> > >> >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >> >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >> >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >> >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >> >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >> >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >> >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >> >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >> >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >> >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >> >give any technics a run for its money. >> > >> >thank you very much, >> >gerald >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Message-ID: <20050117044705.59976.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> What brand and type of blank cassette would you use if you had to pick just one?Peace.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From c123666 at comcast.net Mon Jan 17 05:48:30 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:48:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What tape would you use if you had to pick just one? In-Reply-To: <20050117044705.59976.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: mxs90 or mxs100 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Hugo Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What tape would you use if you had to pick just one? What brand and type of blank cassette would you use if you had to pick just one?Peace.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 06:00:55 2005 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:00:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <200501162229.j0GMTmHa032175@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050117050055.39539.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com> There is A LOT of work involved in reverse engineering the 1000ZXL. Done as contract work, it would be 1,000 hours of work at $100 per hour (at least). The reason I want to do it though is out of passion for a beautiful machine. The first question, 'how to read the program' could be the most difficult to answer. The first step is to get all the available documentation for the chip (datasheet, user manual, appnotes, etc). If it were a mask-ROM version, it may be impossible to read. However, mask-ROM versions are usualy used when production is in the 100,000 of units. Chances are the 1000ZXL did not use mask-ROM chips. I also know there were revisions made, which would not be possible with a mask-ROM version. I do admit that even if it is not a mask-ROM, reading it's contents may not be possible. I think the greatest thing about reversing the 1000ZXL will be that it certainly involves fully understanding how the deck operates internally. I plan to capture and then coment all the relevant analog and digital signals simultaneously during for instance the operation of the ABLE system. I do have all the tools to do it, time is what I don't have much of :) In theory, if this analisys is done correctly, one should not even need the contents of the microntroller chip (though it would help). Is this getting to be a little off-topic for the mailing list?. Maybe the moderators of naktalk could make another list called 'LXZ0001' (1000ZXL reversed,hehehe!) only for this topic... Victor From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 06:03:59 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117050359.15730.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I am not sure how others take care of their vpi. But this one is very sensitive to temperature and moisture. On cold weather, the whole thing moves slowly as the lubrication tends to become thick. Usually i diassemble the whole thing and wash the three rollers (Mine is the TNT 4) and clean up all the bearings. Then fresh lubrication to the main bearing, idler rollers and flywheel. And the belt is given fresh talc powder and the four air feet are pumped and checked for pressure. Gelt free perhaps, but definitely not sweat free.. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > So Neil...You get an a "GELT FREE"...VPI!!!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "neil lipes" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 > > > >Bala: > > > >I have to admit that I do not know...let me > explain.....my cousin and I are > >located not far from the VPI factory....I used to > sell high end in > >NYC....so I used to call Harry all the > time....anyway.....he would always > >tell me what the latest new tweak was...and like > all in-secure audiophiles > >would purchase same (never telling the wife) I > looked at many tables > >before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a > Thorens .....which was > >ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano black > VPI.....it was in the > >feature film with Robert Redford and Demi > Moore...the name of which escapes > >me at the moment. > >And as the years passed I would always upgrade the > table! > > > >Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel > tapes today, just can't get > >the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with > my open reels.....I love > >them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What > can I say...I'm an analog > >fool! > > > >Neil > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > >> > >>Hi Neil, > >> > >> Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with > the air suspension? > >> > >>Bala > >> > >>neil lipes wrote: > >>Robert: > >> > >>I have been using with great delight for years, my > VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm > >>wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage > tank, and a wonderful > >>OC-9 > >>cart......between that and my three open reel > decks and the 505 Nak...I > >>never have to leave my house! > >> > >>N > >> > >> >From: > >> >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > > >> >To: > >> >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > >> > > >> >Hi Gerald, > >> > > >> >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got > a servo controlled > >>linear > >> >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based > speed lock circuit. It > >>is > >> >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as > my newer Technics > >> >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. > The Sony has some of the > >> >nice features that came along in the late 70s > like the the built in > >>speed > >> >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and > lowerer, automatic > >>operation > >> >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs > 26 pounds. Before the > >> >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very > acceptable. I'm not sure > >> >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but > I think it pre-dates the > >> >'X' series Sonys. > >> > > >> >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my > Dragon and > >>CR-7.....just > >> >wish I had more time! > >> > > >> >Robert Kent > >> > > >> >Gerald wrote: > >> > > >> >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable > posts with glee! Of > >> >course,the logical conclusion to our great love > of Naks is not only live > >> >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to > the Cassette medium, and > >> >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite > any mention of Nakamichi > >> >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded > cassette -and to a leser > >> >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine > quality tape using Nak gear, > >> >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask > anyone about vintage > >> >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today > in fine condition. Its a > >> >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model > number ps-4300,and its a > >> >direct drive beast with full automatic > operation.looks like it would > >> >give any technics a run for its money. > >> > > >> >thank you very much, > >> >gerald > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today - it's FREE! > >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >> Take Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 06:14:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:14:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050117050055.39539.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050117051437.3730.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> If at all the contents cant be read, I think the best is to see how the ABLE operates and read the signals from the processor. Given the slow speed, it should make things abit easier. I;ve yet to see the circuit for this system so its abit early to say anything. Bala --- Digital Voice wrote: > There is A LOT of work involved in reverse > engineering the 1000ZXL. > Done as contract work, it would be 1,000 hours of > work at $100 per hour > (at least). > The reason I want to do it though is out of passion > for a beautiful > machine. > > The first question, 'how to read the program' could > be the most > difficult to answer. > The first step is to get all the available > documentation for the chip > (datasheet, user manual, appnotes, etc). > If it were a mask-ROM version, it may be impossible > to read. > However, mask-ROM versions are usualy used when > production is in the > 100,000 of units. > Chances are the 1000ZXL did not use mask-ROM chips. > I also know there were revisions made, which would > not be possible with > a mask-ROM version. > I do admit that even if it is not a mask-ROM, > reading it's contents may > not be possible. > > I think the greatest thing about reversing the > 1000ZXL will be that it > certainly involves fully understanding how the deck > operates > internally. > I plan to capture and then coment all the relevant > analog and digital > signals simultaneously during for instance the > operation of the ABLE > system. > I do have all the tools to do it, time is what I > don't have much of :) > In theory, if this analisys is done correctly, one > should not even need > the contents of the microntroller chip (though it > would help). > > Is this getting to be a little off-topic for the > mailing list?. > Maybe the moderators of naktalk could make another > list called > 'LXZ0001' (1000ZXL reversed,hehehe!) only for this > topic... > > Victor > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 06:42:20 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:42:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: Shalom Bala! I express joy at Neil's mail...as he always reply to my mails with "MONEY" issue! Regarding the VPI lubrication...try to use the best Synthetic car engine oil, from a reliable manufacturing as Mobil 1 and the main bearing and other items (Sorry!!! I never meet a VPI here in Israel!)...will work better...That article I read once many years ago...really I don't remember today where! I will remain with "More" conventional turntables! Ne well!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:59 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > > I am not sure how others take care of their >vpi. But this one is very sensitive to temperature and >moisture. On cold weather, the whole thing moves >slowly as the lubrication tends to become thick. >Usually i diassemble the whole thing and wash the >three rollers (Mine is the TNT 4) and clean up all the >bearings. Then fresh lubrication to the main bearing, >idler rollers and flywheel. And the belt is given >fresh talc powder and the four air feet are pumped and >checked for pressure. Gelt free perhaps, but >definitely not sweat free.. > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > So Neil...You get an a "GELT FREE"...VPI!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 > > > > > >Bala: > > > > > >I have to admit that I do not know...let me > > explain.....my cousin and I are > > >located not far from the VPI factory....I used to > > sell high end in > > >NYC....so I used to call Harry all the > > time....anyway.....he would always > > >tell me what the latest new tweak was...and like > > all in-secure audiophiles > > >would purchase same (never telling the wife) I > > looked at many tables > > >before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a > > Thorens .....which was > > >ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano black > > VPI.....it was in the > > >feature film with Robert Redford and Demi > > Moore...the name of which escapes > > >me at the moment. > > >And as the years passed I would always upgrade the > > table! > > > > > >Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel > > tapes today, just can't get > > >the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with > > my open reels.....I love > > >them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What > > can I say...I'm an analog > > >fool! > > > > > >Neil > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > > >> > > >>Hi Neil, > > >> > > >> Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with > > the air suspension? > > >> > > >>Bala > > >> > > >>neil lipes wrote: > > >>Robert: > > >> > > >>I have been using with great delight for years, my > > VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm > > >>wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage > > tank, and a wonderful > > >>OC-9 > > >>cart......between that and my three open reel > > decks and the 505 Nak...I > > >>never have to leave my house! > > >> > > >>N > > >> > > >> >From: > > >> >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > > > >> >To: > > >> >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > > >> > > > >> >Hi Gerald, > > >> > > > >> >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got > > a servo controlled > > >>linear > > >> >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based > > speed lock circuit. It > > >>is > > >> >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as > > my newer Technics > > >> >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. > > The Sony has some of the > > >> >nice features that came along in the late 70s > > like the the built in > > >>speed > > >> >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and > > lowerer, automatic > > >>operation > > >> >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs > > 26 pounds. Before the > > >> >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very > > acceptable. I'm not sure > > >> >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but > > I think it pre-dates the > > >> >'X' series Sonys. > > >> > > > >> >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my > > Dragon and > > >>CR-7.....just > > >> >wish I had more time! > > >> > > > >> >Robert Kent > > >> > > > >> >Gerald wrote: > > >> > > > >> >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable > > posts with glee! Of > > >> >course,the logical conclusion to our great love > > of Naks is not only live > > >> >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to > > the Cassette medium, and > > >> >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite > > any mention of Nakamichi > > >> >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded > > cassette -and to a leser > > >> >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine > > quality tape using Nak gear, > > >> >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask > > anyone about vintage > > >> >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today > > in fine condition. Its a > > >> >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model > > number ps-4300,and its a > > >> >direct drive beast with full automatic > > operation.looks like it would > > >> >give any technics a run for its money. > > >> > > > >> >thank you very much, > > >> >gerald > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > > Download today - it's FREE! > > > >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > >> > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------- > > >>Do you Yahoo!? > > >> Take Yahoo! 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Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 06:52:52 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:52:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. Message-ID: Shalom Bala! Take my 1000 Mk-2 Tri-Tracer for $:300.00 for add to your collection? I have the Originally Owner & Service manuals! Have a nice working day! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:41:10 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Blues, > > This is the same debate my and my dad have >gone into for countless hours regarding gear from >McIntosh and the likes. My take on it is, that, these >machines are factory produced in large numbers. >Therefore, the quality and cost of the parts used will >have to balance out the manufacturing costs. I had a >talk with a engineer who used to be with an open reel >company when they were manufacturing.He told me how >their bend prototypes were much different from the >machines rolling off the production lines in terms of >components. Sometimes, they have to make slight >circuit changes to accomodate the wider tolerance and >higher noise characteristics of their components. I am >sure, being the large manufacturer Nak is, with so >many models they have to compromise in this area also. > > >Here I have not yet forayed much into my Naks except >for my 670 ZX which sports gold output jacks with the >lead out being Van den Hul wires. It does make an >improvement. My biggest mod pet is my Revox semi pro >open reel (PR99) which has seen countless upgrades, >components,wires and such. It has helped the Revox >gain much better character, lower noise and a pleasant >tone. > >However, I would still say that Nak did use pretty >good parts that also helped it up the ante against the >other manufacturers. Still for discerning audiophiles >like us, would the performance these components give >suffice? > >Regards, >Bala >Using Standard issue 680ZX (X 2), 670ZX, DR10, 700 , >700II and 1000ZXL (under repair) >--- KJ Bleus wrote: > > > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > > > I'm curious what the importance of these > > madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak decks > > are superb machines, hardly needing anything more > > than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement of > > vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, > > these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in > > performance and dazzling to use as analogue gear. > > Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond > > necessity for even the discerning audio enhusiast's > > needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak deck > > with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still > > question the real advantages of tinkering with the > > innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection out > > of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. > > Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about > > that, when properly maintained and , of course, used > > regularly with tender loving attention and care. > > > > Comments on the importance of modifications, > > supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read about > > and debate. I'm back for a visit with my NakTalk > > friends and chatting some on this interesting topic. > > I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, RX-505, > > 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair > > status). What are some of the other NakTalkers > > opinions about the worth of modifications? > > > > Regards, > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > Madison, Wisc USA > > Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > > > > kjbleus at lycos.com > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 06:57:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:57:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post Message-ID: Shalom Gerald! DON'T forget!!!!! to lubricate the central bearing with the best oil that you can obtain...each 2,000 hours! So your table will run for ever!!!! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] off topic t.t. post >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:33 -0600 > >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable posts with glee! Of >course,the logical conclusion to our great love of Naks is not only live >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to the Cassette medium, and >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite any mention of Nakamichi >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded cassette -and to a leser >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine quality tape using Nak gear, >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask anyone about vintage >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today in fine condition. Its a >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model number ps-4300,and its a >direct drive beast with full automatic operation.looks like it would >give any technics a run for its money. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From esteyes at cox.net Mon Jan 17 07:13:37 2005 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:13:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD-500/700 Message-ID: <000101c4fc5b$af8aa8e0$6500a8c0@DAD> i still have a couple of each. using a 3 to 5A supply is ok, but the loading mechanism can pull some current - the stock late model TD-700's came with a 10A fuse in the constant power lead. I used to add a 1600 mfd cap in line with my 3A power supply and it always loaded/unloaded. and we always used a piece of 10ga wire from the chassis to true ground to prevent load/unload current surges from blowing traces, etc (mandatory in nak install literature). i prefer the 700's over the 500's, and always loved the 1200 mkII despite its faults... remember the tuner sections sound nice but have limited reception range. they are pre-out only decks, have really useful tone controls, and have easily broken and pricey to replace cassette access doors. mine sound best connected to early Zapco amps and A/D/S speakers! the a/d/s suitcase that matched up with the 250/350/550's would be a great match - nothing fancy for a power supply there, but they did have a huge cap that filled up much of the ps case... Neil Sturtevant CR7A 480 550 DMP 100 TD 500 TD 700 "shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land" From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 07:21:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:21:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117062107.83377.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I am really glad for that offer. Currently, my place is not organized and space is abit lacking. Can you hold on to that deck for me? How does it sound? Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Bala! > > Take my 1000 Mk-2 Tri-Tracer for $:300.00 for add to > your collection? I have > the Originally Owner & Service manuals! > > Have a nice working day! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:41:10 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Blues, > > > > This is the same debate my and my dad have > >gone into for countless hours regarding gear from > >McIntosh and the likes. My take on it is, that, > these > >machines are factory produced in large numbers. > >Therefore, the quality and cost of the parts used > will > >have to balance out the manufacturing costs. I had > a > >talk with a engineer who used to be with an open > reel > >company when they were manufacturing.He told me how > >their bend prototypes were much different from the > >machines rolling off the production lines in terms > of > >components. Sometimes, they have to make slight > >circuit changes to accomodate the wider tolerance > and > >higher noise characteristics of their components. I > am > >sure, being the large manufacturer Nak is, with so > >many models they have to compromise in this area > also. > > > > > >Here I have not yet forayed much into my Naks > except > >for my 670 ZX which sports gold output jacks with > the > >lead out being Van den Hul wires. It does make an > >improvement. My biggest mod pet is my Revox semi > pro > >open reel (PR99) which has seen countless upgrades, > >components,wires and such. It has helped the Revox > >gain much better character, lower noise and a > pleasant > >tone. > > > >However, I would still say that Nak did use pretty > >good parts that also helped it up the ante against > the > >other manufacturers. Still for discerning > audiophiles > >like us, would the performance these components > give > >suffice? > > > >Regards, > >Bala > >Using Standard issue 680ZX (X 2), 670ZX, DR10, 700 > , > >700II and 1000ZXL (under repair) > >--- KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > > > > > I'm curious what the importance of these > > > madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak > decks > > > are superb machines, hardly needing anything > more > > > than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement > of > > > vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, > > > these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in > > > performance and dazzling to use as analogue > gear. > > > Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond > > > necessity for even the discerning audio > enhusiast's > > > needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak > deck > > > with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still > > > question the real advantages of tinkering with > the > > > innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection > out > > > of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. > > > Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about > > > that, when properly maintained and , of course, > used > > > regularly with tender loving attention and care. > > > > > > Comments on the importance of modifications, > > > supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read > about > > > and debate. I'm back for a visit with my > NakTalk > > > friends and chatting some on this interesting > topic. > > > I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, > RX-505, > > > 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair > > > status). What are some of the other NakTalkers > > > opinions about the worth of modifications? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > > > > > > kjbleus at lycos.com > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail > SpamGuard. > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 07:30:42 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:30:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117063042.40564.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I had tried various types of lubrication for the VPI The sound really changes with regards to the type and how long you warm up the tt. A lot of people have forgotten that turntables do need warming up. In the 1957 manual for the Thorens 124, the company had already mentioned it as being necessary. I had used lithium based grease, Mobile four stroke engine oil, standard issue Army rifle oil amongst others. I managed to come up with a base grease which works well with a thinner lubrication oil. Perhaps you might have read Harry Weisfield's interview in Ultimate Audio? Interestingly, the Thorens need such high-tech lubrication. My dad kept it going for 20 years with Singer oil for sewing machines. As for my Naks, (in line with keep in topic ) I use cramolin silicon spray oil to keep the works smooth..any suggestions? Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Bala! > > I express joy at Neil's mail...as he always reply to > my mails with "MONEY" > issue! > Regarding the VPI lubrication...try to use the best > Synthetic car engine > oil, from a reliable manufacturing as Mobil 1 and > the main bearing and other > items (Sorry!!! I never meet a VPI here in > Israel!)...will work > better...That article I read once many years > ago...really I don't remember > today where! > I will remain with "More" conventional turntables! > > Ne well!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:59 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > I am not sure how others take care of > their > >vpi. But this one is very sensitive to temperature > and > >moisture. On cold weather, the whole thing moves > >slowly as the lubrication tends to become thick. > >Usually i diassemble the whole thing and wash the > >three rollers (Mine is the TNT 4) and clean up all > the > >bearings. Then fresh lubrication to the main > bearing, > >idler rollers and flywheel. And the belt is given > >fresh talc powder and the four air feet are pumped > and > >checked for pressure. Gelt free perhaps, but > >definitely not sweat free.. > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > So Neil...You get an a "GELT FREE"...VPI!!!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 > > > > > > > >Bala: > > > > > > > >I have to admit that I do not know...let me > > > explain.....my cousin and I are > > > >located not far from the VPI factory....I used > to > > > sell high end in > > > >NYC....so I used to call Harry all the > > > time....anyway.....he would always > > > >tell me what the latest new tweak was...and > like > > > all in-secure audiophiles > > > >would purchase same (never telling the wife) I > > > looked at many tables > > > >before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a > > > Thorens .....which was > > > >ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano > black > > > VPI.....it was in the > > > >feature film with Robert Redford and Demi > > > Moore...the name of which escapes > > > >me at the moment. > > > >And as the years passed I would always upgrade > the > > > table! > > > > > > > >Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel > > > tapes today, just can't get > > > >the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can > with > > > my open reels.....I love > > > >them all...but am partial to my reel decks! > What > > > can I say...I'm an analog > > > >fool! > > > > > > > >Neil > > > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > > > >> > > > >>Hi Neil, > > > >> > > > >> Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? > with > > > the air suspension? > > > >> > > > >>Bala > > > >> > > > >>neil lipes wrote: > > > >>Robert: > > > >> > > > >>I have been using with great delight for > years, my > > > VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm > > > >>wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, > storage > > > tank, and a wonderful > > > >>OC-9 > > > >>cart......between that and my three open reel > > > decks and the 505 Nak...I > > > >>never have to leave my house! > > > >> > > > >>N > > > >> > > > >> >From: > > > >> >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about > > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >> > > > > >> >To: > > > >> >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > >> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > > > >> > > > > >> >Hi Gerald, > > > >> > > > > >> >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > got > > > a servo controlled > > > >>linear > > > >> >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > based > > > speed lock circuit. It > > > >>is > > > >> >still working perfectly, and sounds as good > as > > > my newer Technics > > > >> >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of > them. > > > The Sony has some of the > > > >> >nice features that came along in the late > 70s > > > like the the built in > > > >>speed > > > >> >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter > and > > > lowerer, automatic > > > >>operation > > > >> >for three different record sizes, etc. It > weighs > > > 26 pounds. Before the > > > >> >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were > very > > > acceptable. I'm not sure > > > >> >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, > but > > > I think it pre-dates the > > > >> >'X' series Sonys. > > > >> > > > > >> >I use the Technics at my dubbing station > with my > > > Dragon and > > > >>CR-7.....just > > > >> >wish I had more time! > > > >> > > > > >> >Robert Kent > > > >> > > > > >> >Gerald wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >Hello,i have been reading the recent > turntable > > > posts with glee! Of > > > >> >course,the logical conclusion to our great > love > > > of Naks is not only live > > > >> >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's > to > > > the Cassette medium, and > > > >> >thats what keeps these posts on topic > despite > > > any mention of Nakamichi > > > >> >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good > prerecorded > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 17 08:15:48 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:15:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What tape would you use if you had to pick just one? Message-ID: I'd slit my wrists. The I'd find someone to blame. MH >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/17/05 06:47AM >>> What brand and type of blank cassette would you use if you had to pick just one?Peace.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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While you may enjoy working on your Thorens, finding quality belts is a problem for me. The Thorens subchassis suspension system is a cheesey spring setup and might as well not be there. Many of the Thorens internal parts are cheap, stamped steel, which have corroded over time. The Thorens machined tolerances are very loose - the platter bearing rattles around. Grease is required, rather than oil, to take up the slop. My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a rubber internal damping system that disintegrates and must be replaced every 5 years or so, if you can find the parts. The Thorens sounds better than the cheap Garrard I had for many years, but not by much, and it has been considerably less reliable than the Garrard was. In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required anything in 22 years. The Dragon has close tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and is direct drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well designed. I have two tonearms equipped with different cartridges and the arms only take a few seconds to plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no audible rumble on the Dragon. The computer-controlled platter centering system is an optional-use feature and isn't required unless the record is out of alignment. I use it rarely and it has never required maintenance. The performance is outstanding. For those who say the Dragon-CT requires a lot of maintenance my experience contradicts that. When I feel like fiddling with something I use the Thorens. When I want to listen to music I use the Dragon-CT. James Alex Cozac wrote: Hi James! In the past I also own a few Thorens, the "Maintenance"...is really minimum...4 drops of oil each 3 years,on the bearing & hole and replacement of the belt...SO WHAT!!!!!. Much cheaper that the CT-Dragon...WHICH...ALSO need bearing lubrication so the Thorens...OK...NO belts replacement! ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Jan 17 10:04:13 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:04:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Message-ID: <200501170404_MC3-1-934B-4389@compuserve.com> Hi Kannan, The 700ZXE does not have any microcontroller, but has two 4x8bit SRAMs (MSM4039RS) to save the auto-calibration result. The 700ZXL, otoh, has one microcontroller for the RAMM feature. As a comparison, 700ZXE uses two tones (400Hz and 15kHz) for the auto-cal and 700ZXL uses three. Looking at the block diagram in the user's manual, 1000ZXL uses FOUR tones for its auto-calibration circuit and has two microcontrollers: one for RAMM the other for auto-cal. Looks like only the 1000ZXL has a dedicated microcontroller for the auto-calibration function. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 4 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050116230640.49477.qmail at web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah I think this microprcessor has a masked eprom or prom- like CR 7 remote control chip. My gut feeling is that one cannot design completely compatible plug in module - but redesign a new boards connecting to large number of Logic inputs and outputs - after understanding the actual function and conditional logic embedded in the processor. Bit a more time consuming than finding what is going wrong in 1000 ZXL - from what I gathered from variuos discussions - only static ram needs replacement not the microprocessor. I have not seen any Nak product microprocessor ever failing on their own - only when wrong connector plugged in to a CR 3 it failed. 700 ZXE and 700 ZXL may use same Microprocessor for instance. so guys find out what is going wrong before embarking on complete redesign of the brain of 1000 ZXL My wishes to you all who is participating in this effort even though I may not be using any of these developments. kannan Scott Johnson wrote: And how are you going to read the internal ROM. SJ < From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 10:18:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:18:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) Message-ID: Dear James! I'm really surprised!!!! In the past 20 years ago I ONLY had Thorens turntables, from the 150 till 125 Mk-2 & my last one; the 126 MK-2. All will fitted with SME 3009 arms, during the last years the Series 3 one with Shure V-15 type 5 HE MM cartridge..Believe me James...WHERE you live????, I changed the belt only after two or 3 years os continuously use 10 hours each day...! More during weekends...at that era...NO CD player so only Lp records and a Marantz with scope tuner..and of course during 20 years various Nak deck cassettes. I really DON'T believe that YOU DO NOT need to lubricate the main central bearing or platter support??? Must have at least a hole for a few oil drops...or I'm wrong???, as I never meet here in Israel ANY Nak turntable...only by pamphlet. However enjoy your rare CT Dragon turntable!! Now I also leave Thorens for a Technics DD SL-120 table. If you can provide me your private mail..I can supply you some formidable digit photos of my whole today in use equipment. Happy Listening and most important...BE WELL! ALEX! >From: James McAllister >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:40:37 -0800 (PST) > >Alex!, > >Thorens is not in the same league with the Dragon-CT. My Thorens TD-125AB >has always had problems. The plastic motor pulley is junk. Someday when I >have time I'll machine a better one and see if it improves belt >performance. Belts wear out about every six months. While you may enjoy >working on your Thorens, finding quality belts is a problem for me. The >Thorens subchassis suspension system is a cheesey spring setup and might as >well not be there. Many of the Thorens internal parts are cheap, stamped >steel, which have corroded over time. The Thorens machined tolerances are >very loose - the platter bearing rattles around. Grease is required, >rather than oil, to take up the slop. My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a >rubber internal damping system that disintegrates and must be replaced >every 5 years or so, if you can find the parts. The Thorens sounds better >than the cheap Garrard I had for many years, but not by much, and it has >been considerably less reliable than ! > the > Garrard was. > >In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required anything in 22 years. The >Dragon has close tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and is direct >drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well designed. I have two tonearms >equipped with different cartridges and the arms only take a few seconds to >plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no audible rumble on the Dragon. >The computer-controlled platter centering system is an optional-use feature >and isn't required unless the record is out of alignment. I use it rarely >and it has never required maintenance. The performance is outstanding. >For those who say the Dragon-CT requires a lot of maintenance my experience >contradicts that. > >When I feel like fiddling with something I use the Thorens. When I want to >listen to music I use the Dragon-CT. > >James > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Hi James! > >In the past I also own a few Thorens, the "Maintenance"...is really >minimum...4 drops of oil each 3 years,on the bearing & hole and replacement >of the belt...SO WHAT!!!!!. Much cheaper that the CT-Dragon...WHICH...ALSO >need bearing lubrication so the Thorens...OK...NO belts replacement! > >ALEX! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bhonhoff at dds.nl Mon Jan 17 10:19:45 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:19:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <20050117084038.59473.qmail@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050117084038.59473.qmail@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1105953585.41eb83315cff4@webmail.dds.nl> Hi James (ea), I've seen some heavy modified Thorens record-players where actually only the axis and the motor were unmodified. As I can recall Thorens had a replacement plate, which was much heavier and it came with new suspension springs. I currently owe 2 Thorens record players (TD-126Mk2 with 3009SME, TD 320) I replace the oil (sewing machine indeed) and the belt every 5 years. The demping oil of the 3009SME has never been replaced. And I can not confirm for either of the Thorens recordplayer (nor for a TD165, TD166mk2 or TD145) that other rumble as of the record could be heard, unlike my collection of Duals (DD 701 or BD 601) Maybe the rumble filter of my Quad 34 or Nak Receiver 1 is to effective? They will not be of the same league as as 1000 or a Dragon. But considered the new price (a 1000 was about 5 x times a TD-2000), are you suprised? BTW does the Dragon have the same auto-centering mechanism as the 1000? regards, bart Quoting James McAllister : > Alex!, > > Thorens is not in the same league with the Dragon-CT. My Thorens TD-125AB > has always had problems. The plastic motor pulley is junk. Someday when I > have time I'll machine a better one and see if it improves belt performance. > Belts wear out about every six months. While you may enjoy working on your > Thorens, finding quality belts is a problem for me. The Thorens subchassis > suspension system is a cheesey spring setup and might as well not be there. > Many of the Thorens internal parts are cheap, stamped steel, which have > corroded over time. The Thorens machined tolerances are very loose - the > platter bearing rattles around. Grease is required, rather than oil, to take > up the slop. My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a rubber internal damping > system that disintegrates and must be replaced every 5 years or so, if you > can find the parts. The Thorens sounds better than the cheap Garrard I had > for many years, but not by much, and it has been considerably less reliable > than ! > the > Garrard was. > > In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required anything in 22 years. The > Dragon has close tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and is direct > drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well designed. I have two tonearms > equipped with different cartridges and the arms only take a few seconds to > plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no audible rumble on the Dragon. The > computer-controlled platter centering system is an optional-use feature and > isn't required unless the record is out of alignment. I use it rarely and it > has never required maintenance. The performance is outstanding. For those > who say the Dragon-CT requires a lot of maintenance my experience contradicts > that. > > When I feel like fiddling with something I use the Thorens. When I want to > listen to music I use the Dragon-CT. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 10:42:18 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:42:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: Shalom Bala! I obtain from a friend a small bottle of the "Originally" Linn Graphite" black oil that Linn's use in his turntables, and THIS is my today in use oil for all my turntables (Up's...the Dual CT-721...it's the ONLY one that I have that NO need to be lubricated ever... unbelievable!). Regarding my Dragon machine I forgot to lubricate the "Capstans"...before to stack as you sow at my delivered photos. Only when something will go wrong in any of my equipment I will lubricate the capstans with the same "Teflon/Silicon" based oil. Have a nice working day, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:30:42 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > > I had tried various types of lubrication for >the VPI The sound really changes with regards to the >type and how long you warm up the tt. A lot of people >have forgotten that turntables do need warming up. In >the 1957 manual for the Thorens 124, the company had >already mentioned it as being necessary. I had used >lithium based grease, Mobile four stroke engine oil, >standard issue Army rifle oil amongst others. I >managed to come up with a base grease which works well >with a thinner lubrication oil. Perhaps you might have >read Harry Weisfield's interview in Ultimate Audio? >Interestingly, the Thorens need such high-tech >lubrication. My dad kept it going for 20 years with >Singer oil for sewing machines. As for my Naks, (in >line with keep in topic ) I use cramolin silicon spray >oil to keep the works smooth..any suggestions? > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > I express joy at Neil's mail...as he always reply to > > my mails with "MONEY" > > issue! > > Regarding the VPI lubrication...try to use the best > > Synthetic car engine > > oil, from a reliable manufacturing as Mobil 1 and > > the main bearing and other > > items (Sorry!!! I never meet a VPI here in > > Israel!)...will work > > better...That article I read once many years > > ago...really I don't remember > > today where! > > I will remain with "More" conventional turntables! > > > > Ne well!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:59 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > > > I am not sure how others take care of > > their > > >vpi. But this one is very sensitive to temperature > > and > > >moisture. On cold weather, the whole thing moves > > >slowly as the lubrication tends to become thick. > > >Usually i diassemble the whole thing and wash the > > >three rollers (Mine is the TNT 4) and clean up all > > the > > >bearings. Then fresh lubrication to the main > > bearing, > > >idler rollers and flywheel. And the belt is given > > >fresh talc powder and the four air feet are pumped > > and > > >checked for pressure. Gelt free perhaps, but > > >definitely not sweat free.. > > > > > >Bala > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > So Neil...You get an a "GELT FREE"...VPI!!!!! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >Bala: > > > > > > > > > >I have to admit that I do not know...let me > > > > explain.....my cousin and I are > > > > >located not far from the VPI factory....I used > > to > > > > sell high end in > > > > >NYC....so I used to call Harry all the > > > > time....anyway.....he would always > > > > >tell me what the latest new tweak was...and > > like > > > > all in-secure audiophiles > > > > >would purchase same (never telling the wife) I > > > > looked at many tables > > > > >before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a > > > > Thorens .....which was > > > > >ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano > > black > > > > VPI.....it was in the > > > > >feature film with Robert Redford and Demi > > > > Moore...the name of which escapes > > > > >me at the moment. > > > > >And as the years passed I would always upgrade > > the > > > > table! > > > > > > > > > >Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel > > > > tapes today, just can't get > > > > >the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can > > with > > > > my open reels.....I love > > > > >them all...but am partial to my reel decks! > > What > > > > can I say...I'm an analog > > > > >fool! > > > > > > > > > >Neil > > > > > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) > > > > >> > > > > >>Hi Neil, > > > > >> > > > > >> Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? > > with > > > > the air suspension? > > > > >> > > > > >>Bala > > > > >> > > > > >>neil lipes wrote: > > > > >>Robert: > > > > >> > > > > >>I have been using with great delight for > > years, my > > > > VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm > > > > >>wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, > > storage > > > > tank, and a wonderful > > > > >>OC-9 > > > > >>cart......between that and my three open reel > > > > decks and the 505 Nak...I > > > > >>never have to leave my house! > > > > >> > > > > >>N > > > > >> > > > > >> >From: > > > > >> >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >> > > > > > >> >To: > > > > >> >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > > >> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Hi Gerald, > > > > >> > > > > > >> >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its > > got > > > > a servo controlled > > > > >>linear > > > > >> >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal > > based > > > > speed lock circuit. It > > > > >>is > > > > >> >still working perfectly, and sounds as good > > as > > > > my newer Technics > > > > >> >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of > > them. > > > > The Sony has some of the > > > > >> >nice features that came along in the late > > 70s > > > > like the the built in > > > > >>speed > > > > >> >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter > > and > > > > lowerer, automatic > > > > >>operation > > > > >> >for three different record sizes, etc. It > > weighs > > > > 26 pounds. Before the > > > > >> >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were > > very > > > > acceptable. I'm not sure > > > > >> >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, > > but > > > > I think it pre-dates the > > > > >> >'X' series Sonys. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >I use the Technics at my dubbing station > > with my > > > > Dragon and > > > > >>CR-7.....just > > > > >> >wish I had more time! > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Robert Kent > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Gerald wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Hello,i have been reading the recent > > turntable > > > > posts with glee! Of > > > > >> >course,the logical conclusion to our great > > love > > > > of Naks is not only live > > > > >> >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's > > to > > > > the Cassette medium, and > > > > >> >thats what keeps these posts on topic > > despite > > > > any mention of Nakamichi > > > > >> >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good > > prerecorded > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 10:53:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:53:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. Message-ID: Dear Bala! Honestly...15 years that I don't look at it! I today found also the two originally belts that I acquired directly from the Nakamichi factory in Japan...(When were alive!!!!). Need some calibration...the heads are 100% perfectly...as was recorded by me...from new acquired during 1978 maybe, 30 cassettes...and 12 playback only TDK SA was used since I received this lovely machine. Don't worry I will NOT let you down! However you will need some internal resistor.etc...changes and of course carefully bias/level calibration also internally...all explained on the Service Manual! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:21:07 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > I am really glad for that offer. Currently, >my place is not organized and space is abit lacking. >Can you hold on to that deck for me? How does it >sound? > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > Take my 1000 Mk-2 Tri-Tracer for $:300.00 for add to > > your collection? I have > > the Originally Owner & Service manuals! > > > > Have a nice working day! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:41:10 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Blues, > > > > > > This is the same debate my and my dad have > > >gone into for countless hours regarding gear from > > >McIntosh and the likes. My take on it is, that, > > these > > >machines are factory produced in large numbers. > > >Therefore, the quality and cost of the parts used > > will > > >have to balance out the manufacturing costs. I had > > a > > >talk with a engineer who used to be with an open > > reel > > >company when they were manufacturing.He told me how > > >their bend prototypes were much different from the > > >machines rolling off the production lines in terms > > of > > >components. Sometimes, they have to make slight > > >circuit changes to accomodate the wider tolerance > > and > > >higher noise characteristics of their components. I > > am > > >sure, being the large manufacturer Nak is, with so > > >many models they have to compromise in this area > > also. > > > > > > > > >Here I have not yet forayed much into my Naks > > except > > >for my 670 ZX which sports gold output jacks with > > the > > >lead out being Van den Hul wires. It does make an > > >improvement. My biggest mod pet is my Revox semi > > pro > > >open reel (PR99) which has seen countless upgrades, > > >components,wires and such. It has helped the Revox > > >gain much better character, lower noise and a > > pleasant > > >tone. > > > > > >However, I would still say that Nak did use pretty > > >good parts that also helped it up the ante against > > the > > >other manufacturers. Still for discerning > > audiophiles > > >like us, would the performance these components > > give > > >suffice? > > > > > >Regards, > > >Bala > > >Using Standard issue 680ZX (X 2), 670ZX, DR10, 700 > > , > > >700II and 1000ZXL (under repair) > > >--- KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > > > > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > > > > > > > I'm curious what the importance of these > > > > madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak > > decks > > > > are superb machines, hardly needing anything > > more > > > > than a pro maintenance check-up and replacement > > of > > > > vital parts. When set to Nak engineering specs, > > > > these beautiful cassette decks are awesome in > > > > performance and dazzling to use as analogue > > gear. > > > > Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond > > > > necessity for even the discerning audio > > enhusiast's > > > > needs. To be able to state that one has a Nak > > deck > > > > with mods is certainly impressive, yet I still > > > > question the real advantages of tinkering with > > the > > > > innards to squeeze an nth degree of perfection > > out > > > > of these superbly engineered electronic marvels. > > > > Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt about > > > > that, when properly maintained and , of course, > > used > > > > regularly with tender loving attention and care. > > > > > > > > Comments on the importance of modifications, > > > > supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read > > about > > > > and debate. I'm back for a visit with my > > NakTalk > > > > friends and chatting some on this interesting > > topic. > > > > I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, > > RX-505, > > > > 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in repair > > > > status). What are some of the other NakTalkers > > > > opinions about the worth of modifications? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > > > > > > > > kjbleus at lycos.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 17 12:44:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:44:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <1105953585.41eb83315cff4@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <002301c4fc89$f6d09380$6b65893e@oemcomputer> This is more a subject for AudioTalk but never mind. The trouble with rumble filters, like Hi filters, is that they remove some of the music. Best to remove as much of the rumble from the chain before it gets to the amp. I had zilch rumble with my otherwise awful PT TOO, a have very little with my Lenco's, a little bit more with the now sold Thorens TD124, and none at all with my Oracle Delphi II. So, unless it's an old record with really dreadful surface noise, I never feel a need to use any filters. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of bart honhoff > Sent: 17 January 2005 09:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) > > > Hi James (ea), > > I've seen some heavy modified Thorens record-players where > actually only the > axis and the motor were unmodified. As I can recall Thorens had a > replacement > plate, which was much heavier and it came with new suspension springs. > > I currently owe 2 Thorens record players (TD-126Mk2 with 3009SME, TD 320) > I replace the oil (sewing machine indeed) and the belt every 5 years. > The demping oil of the 3009SME has never been replaced. > And I can not confirm for either of the Thorens recordplayer (nor > for a TD165, > TD166mk2 or TD145) that other rumble as of the record could be > heard, unlike my > collection of Duals (DD 701 or BD 601) > Maybe the rumble filter of my Quad 34 or Nak Receiver 1 is to effective? > > They will not be of the same league as as 1000 or a Dragon. But > considered the > new price (a 1000 was about 5 x times a TD-2000), are you suprised? > > BTW does the Dragon have the same auto-centering mechanism as the 1000? > > regards, > > bart > > Quoting James McAllister : > > > Alex!, > > > > Thorens is not in the same league with the Dragon-CT. My > Thorens TD-125AB > > has always had problems. The plastic motor pulley is junk. > Someday when I > > have time I'll machine a better one and see if it improves belt > performance. > > Belts wear out about every six months. While you may enjoy > working on your > > Thorens, finding quality belts is a problem for me. The > Thorens subchassis > > suspension system is a cheesey spring setup and might as well > not be there. > > Many of the Thorens internal parts are cheap, stamped steel, which have > > corroded over time. The Thorens machined tolerances are very > loose - the > > platter bearing rattles around. Grease is required, rather > than oil, to take > > up the slop. My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a rubber > internal damping > > system that disintegrates and must be replaced every 5 years or > so, if you > > can find the parts. The Thorens sounds better than the cheap > Garrard I had > > for many years, but not by much, and it has been considerably > less reliable > > than ! > > the > > Garrard was. > > > > In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required anything in 22 years. The > > Dragon has close tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and > is direct > > drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well designed. I have > two tonearms > > equipped with different cartridges and the arms only take a few > seconds to > > plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no audible rumble on the > Dragon. The > > computer-controlled platter centering system is an optional-use > feature and > > isn't required unless the record is out of alignment. I use it > rarely and it > > has never required maintenance. The performance is > outstanding. For those > > who say the Dragon-CT requires a lot of maintenance my > experience contradicts > > that. > > > > When I feel like fiddling with something I use the Thorens. > When I want to > > listen to music I use the Dragon-CT. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 12:59:22 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:59:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables Message-ID: Alex: Are you embarrassed by "gelt"? Try living without it....all your 'toys" in file nine, in order to pay for food, or to fight suicide bombers in your country. NRL (an American Hebrew) >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:42:20 +0200 > >Shalom Bala! > >I express joy at Neil's mail...as he always reply to my mails with "MONEY" >issue! >Regarding the VPI lubrication...try to use the best Synthetic car engine >oil, from a reliable manufacturing as Mobil 1 and the main bearing and >other items (Sorry!!! I never meet a VPI here in Israel!)...will work >better...That article I read once many years ago...really I don't remember >today where! >I will remain with "More" conventional turntables! > >Ne well!!! > >ALEX! > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:59 -0800 (PST) >> >>Hi Alex, >> >> I am not sure how others take care of their >>vpi. But this one is very sensitive to temperature and >>moisture. On cold weather, the whole thing moves >>slowly as the lubrication tends to become thick. >>Usually i diassemble the whole thing and wash the >>three rollers (Mine is the TNT 4) and clean up all the >>bearings. Then fresh lubrication to the main bearing, >>idler rollers and flywheel. And the belt is given >>fresh talc powder and the four air feet are pumped and >>checked for pressure. Gelt free perhaps, but >>definitely not sweat free.. >> >>Bala >>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >> >> > So Neil...You get an a "GELT FREE"...VPI!!!!! >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: "neil lipes" >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> > >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:14:27 -0500 >> > > >> > >Bala: >> > > >> > >I have to admit that I do not know...let me >> > explain.....my cousin and I are >> > >located not far from the VPI factory....I used to >> > sell high end in >> > >NYC....so I used to call Harry all the >> > time....anyway.....he would always >> > >tell me what the latest new tweak was...and like >> > all in-secure audiophiles >> > >would purchase same (never telling the wife) I >> > looked at many tables >> > >before I went with the VPI....in fact I had a >> > Thorens .....which was >> > >ok.....but I just fell in love with the piano black >> > VPI.....it was in the >> > >feature film with Robert Redford and Demi >> > Moore...the name of which escapes >> > >me at the moment. >> > >And as the years passed I would always upgrade the >> > table! >> > > >> > >Just received some rare Living Stereo open reel >> > tapes today, just can't get >> > >the same visceral jolt from my Nak that I can with >> > my open reels.....I love >> > >them all...but am partial to my reel decks! What >> > can I say...I'm an analog >> > >fool! >> > > >> > >Neil >> > > >> > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> > >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) >> > >> >> > >>Hi Neil, >> > >> >> > >> Are you using the VPI TNT 5 or 4? with >> > the air suspension? >> > >> >> > >>Bala >> > >> >> > >>neil lipes wrote: >> > >>Robert: >> > >> >> > >>I have been using with great delight for years, my >> > VPI TNT...with ET-2 arm >> > >>wisa pump, modified air bearing manifold, storage >> > tank, and a wonderful >> > >>OC-9 >> > >>cart......between that and my three open reel >> > decks and the 505 Nak...I >> > >>never have to leave my house! >> > >> >> > >>N >> > >> >> > >> >From: >> > >> >Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about >> > Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> > >> > >> >To: >> > >> >Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> > >> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0800 >> > >> > >> > >> >Hi Gerald, >> > >> > >> > >> >I have a Sony PS-X60 from the late 70s. Its got >> > a servo controlled >> > >>linear >> > >> >brushless direct drive motor and a crystal based >> > speed lock circuit. It >> > >>is >> > >> >still working perfectly, and sounds as good as >> > my newer Technics >> > >> >SL-1200MK2. I run Shure V15s in both of them. >> > The Sony has some of the >> > >> >nice features that came along in the late 70s >> > like the the built in >> > >>speed >> > >> >strobe light, tone-arm fluid damped lifter and >> > lowerer, automatic >> > >>operation >> > >> >for three different record sizes, etc. It weighs >> > 26 pounds. Before the >> > >> >Sony, I had a few Dual turtables that were very >> > acceptable. I'm not sure >> > >> >where your PS-4300 fits into the time line, but >> > I think it pre-dates the >> > >> >'X' series Sonys. >> > >> > >> > >> >I use the Technics at my dubbing station with my >> > Dragon and >> > >>CR-7.....just >> > >> >wish I had more time! >> > >> > >> > >> >Robert Kent >> > >> > >> > >> >Gerald wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >Hello,i have been reading the recent turntable >> > posts with glee! Of >> > >> >course,the logical conclusion to our great love >> > of Naks is not only live >> > >> >recording,but mostly dubbing of analog L.P's to >> > the Cassette medium, and >> > >> >thats what keeps these posts on topic despite >> > any mention of Nakamichi >> > >> >in some of them..Also ,dubbing good prerecorded >> > cassette -and to a leser >> > >> >extent,reel to reel recordings -onto fine >> > quality tape using Nak gear, >> > >> >is a high priority.I am using this post to ask >> > anyone about vintage >> > >> >"Sony" direct drive turntables.I got one today >> > in fine condition. Its a >> > >> >monster of a turntable-22.5 pounds!!its model >> > number ps-4300,and its a >> > >> >direct drive beast with full automatic >> > operation.looks like it would >> > >> >give any technics a run for its money. >> > >> > >> > >> >thank you very much, >> > >> >gerald >> > >> >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > Register your Nak today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >> >Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> > >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! >> > Download today - it's FREE! >> > >> >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> > >> >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Register your Nak today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >>Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>--------------------------------- >> > >>Do you Yahoo!? >> > >> Take Yahoo! 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ti at amb.org Mon Jan 17 13:44:14 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: from "Alex Cozac" at Jan 17, 2005 11:42:18 AM Message-ID: <20050117124414.5708C17DFD@smtp.amb.org> All this talk about turntables, here is one of my own design. I built this a couple of years ago and I am quite proud of it. I call it the AMB Labs Lambda 1: http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/analog-b.html Anyway, to keep on topic about Naks, I asked about playback EQ upgrade on early CR-7s in a previous email but so far have not received a definitive answer. Is this upgrade to change from the IEC1 to IEC2 curve? Or was there something wrong with the early CR-7s that require "fixing"? As some of you know, I just acquired an early CR-7 in beautiful condition but if it is in need of an upgrade to perform its best, I'd like to know about it. Thanks! -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 17 13:58:35 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:58:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What tape would you use if you had to pick just one? Message-ID: Okay Keith, I've sewn my wrists up. Now, frightening as this magnetic desert island is, I would opt for a good, reliable type II that is available, and that I also like. That would be a Maxell XLII. It all depends on where you are and what you have in the shops. My suggesiton is, don't close your doors on any opportunity to acquire good tape stock from any source. Of course, if money was ot an issue and I had access to any tape that was ever made - I would be in more of a quandary. I might go for one of the supermetals!! Cheers, Marc >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 01/17/05 06:47AM >>> What brand and type of blank cassette would you use if you had to pick just one?Peace.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 17 14:23:00 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:23:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <20050117124414.5708C17DFD@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <002a01c4fc97$aaac5b20$6b65893e@oemcomputer> Stephen Sank did a posting about the CR7 Eq curve issue, which will be in the archive, I suppose. I recall he described it as a "correction", that Nakamichi got it wrong the first time around. I was never quite sure if he meant they made an engineering error or an error of judgement! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 17 January 2005 12:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > > > All this talk about turntables, here is one of my own design. I > built this > a couple of years ago and I am quite proud of it. I call it the AMB Labs > Lambda 1: > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/analog-b.html > > Anyway, to keep on topic about Naks, I asked about playback EQ upgrade > on early CR-7s in a previous email but so far have not received > a definitive answer. Is this upgrade to change from the IEC1 to IEC2 > curve? Or was there something wrong with the early CR-7s that > require "fixing"? As some of you know, I just acquired an early > CR-7 in beautiful condition but if it is in need of an upgrade to > perform its best, I'd like to know about it. > > Thanks! > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jan 17 14:35:20 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:35:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables In-Reply-To: <002a01c4fc97$aaac5b20$6b65893e@oemcomputer> References: <002a01c4fc97$aaac5b20$6b65893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41EBBF18.80508@snet.net> The original CR-7A had a design flaw in the eq circuit which caused it to roll off above 15k. The bigger problem is that this flaw would cause the calibration circuit to somewhat detune in order to try to compensate. There is an exact serial number where this was resolved. For earlier decks, there is a little known service bulletin. The repair is fairly involved and requires complete recalibration after its done. Ed Nelson wrote: >Stephen Sank did a posting about the CR7 Eq curve issue, which will be in >the archive, I suppose. I recall he described it as a "correction", that >Nakamichi got it wrong the first time around. I was never quite sure if he >meant they made an engineering error or an error of judgement! > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Ti Kan >>Sent: 17 January 2005 12:44 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >> >> >>All this talk about turntables, here is one of my own design. I >>built this >>a couple of years ago and I am quite proud of it. I call it the AMB Labs >>Lambda 1: >> http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/analog-b.html >> >>Anyway, to keep on topic about Naks, I asked about playback EQ upgrade >>on early CR-7s in a previous email but so far have not received >>a definitive answer. Is this upgrade to change from the IEC1 to IEC2 >>curve? Or was there something wrong with the early CR-7s that >>require "fixing"? As some of you know, I just acquired an early >>CR-7 in beautiful condition but if it is in need of an upgrade to >>perform its best, I'd like to know about it. >> >>Thanks! >> >>-Ti >>-- >>Ti Kan >>http://www.amb.org/ti >>Vorsprung durch Technik >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 14:52:25 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:52:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: <20050113172817.55058.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom Scott! Something is wrong, can't be open or download? ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:28:17 -0800 (PST) > >I captured some of the more recent discussion in my FAQ >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >scroll down to "Head and Pinch Roller Cleaning" > >SJ > >--- Nelson wrote: > > > Recommend you search the archive as this subjects come up several > > times > > before and there were a number of recommendations and cautionary > > notes as > > well. Can't remember them off hand - I';d have to search the > > archive myself > > to find them! > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of John Szymkowiak > > Sent: 12 January 2005 17:23 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > > > > > > I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in cleaning > > record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be very > > harsh on > > the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an > > acceptable > > cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever heard > > of S & R > > Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller > > Cleaner > > Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I > > haven't > > previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a bottle of > > the > > stuff... What do you think? > > > > > > Greg > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======== _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 15:12:04 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:12:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR 7 mod In-Reply-To: <41EBBF18.80508@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050117141204.35855.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> The fault is in Record equalization and playback is standard - I think Playback is in IEC I ? Scott would be a better person to answer this. IEC I and II are slightly different and does not matter even if you use another make car cassette player because I found any nak recorded cassette was playing beautifully on my Car player - Mitsubishi OEM ( must be some taiwanese or malasian make model.) and they sounded wonderful even if they have been recorded on ZX 7 or BX 300. CR 7 should sound great without tohing any playback circuit - infact I sent my older ( pre gear mod/eqmod ) player to Graham after modding record eq only without gear upadate. I found after correcting rec equalization electronics on record circuit - it was recording wonderfully. kannan Edward Noyes wrote: The original CR-7A had a design flaw in the eq circuit which caused it to roll off above 15k. The bigger problem is that this flaw would cause the calibration circuit to somewhat detune in order to try to compensate. There is an exact serial number where this was resolved. For earlier decks, there is a little known service bulletin. The repair is fairly involved and requires complete recalibration after its done. Ed Nelson wrote: Stephen Sank did a posting about the CR7 Eq curve issue, which will be inthe archive, I suppose. I recall he described it as a "correction", thatNakamichi got it wrong the first time around. I was never quite sure if hemeant they made an engineering error or an error of judgement!Gra' -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]OnBehalf Of Ti KanSent: 17 January 2005 12:44To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony TurntablesAll this talk about turntables, here is one of my own design. Ibuilt thisa couple of years ago and I am quite proud of it. I call it the AMB LabsLambda 1: http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/analog-b.htmlAnyway, to keep on topic about Naks, I asked about playback EQ upgradeon early CR-7s in a previous email but so far have not receiveda definitive answer. Is this upgrade to change from the IEC1 to IEC2curve? Or was there something wrong with the early CR-7s thatrequire "fixing"? As some of you know, I just acquired an earlyCR-7 in beautiful condition but if it is in need of an upgrade toperform its best, I'd like to know about it.Thanks!-Ti--Ti Kanhttp://www.amb.org/tiVorsprung durch Technik========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 17 15:49:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:49:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR 7 mod In-Reply-To: <20050117141204.35855.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c4fca3$b2f0a280$78964c51@oemcomputer> Kannan said: "CR 7 should sound great without touching any playback circuit - infact I sent my older ( pre gear mod/eqmod ) player to Graham after modding record eq only without gear upadate. I found after correcting rec equalization electronics on record circuit - it was recording wonderfully." It certainly was! A most excellent machine. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colem at georgetown.edu Mon Jan 17 15:55:14 2005 From: colem at georgetown.edu (Michael F. Cole) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:55:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Archive Message-ID: <2555d3257a85.257a852555d3@imap.georgetown.edu> Hello fellow Nak owners, How does one access the Naktalk Archive? Thanks, Mike From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 17:12:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:12:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117161225.27948.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, In that case, keep it going. I will get it from you in the months to come once my place is organised. Thanks Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Bala! > > Honestly...15 years that I don't look at it! I today > found also the two > originally belts that I acquired directly from the > Nakamichi factory in > Japan...(When were alive!!!!). Need some > calibration...the heads are 100% > perfectly...as was recorded by me...from new > acquired during 1978 maybe, 30 > cassettes...and 12 playback only TDK SA was used > since I received this > lovely machine. > > Don't worry I will NOT let you down! However you > will need some internal > resistor.etc...changes and of course carefully > bias/level calibration also > internally...all explained on the Service Manual! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. > >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:21:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Alex, > > I am really glad for that offer. > Currently, > >my place is not organized and space is abit > lacking. > >Can you hold on to that deck for me? How does it > >sound? > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > > > Take my 1000 Mk-2 Tri-Tracer for $:300.00 for > add to > > > your collection? I have > > > the Originally Owner & Service manuals! > > > > > > Have a nice working day! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Deck Mods, etc. > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:41:10 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Hi Blues, > > > > > > > > This is the same debate my and my dad > have > > > >gone into for countless hours regarding gear > from > > > >McIntosh and the likes. My take on it is, that, > > > these > > > >machines are factory produced in large numbers. > > > >Therefore, the quality and cost of the parts > used > > > will > > > >have to balance out the manufacturing costs. I > had > > > a > > > >talk with a engineer who used to be with an > open > > > reel > > > >company when they were manufacturing.He told me > how > > > >their bend prototypes were much different from > the > > > >machines rolling off the production lines in > terms > > > of > > > >components. Sometimes, they have to make slight > > > >circuit changes to accomodate the wider > tolerance > > > and > > > >higher noise characteristics of their > components. I > > > am > > > >sure, being the large manufacturer Nak is, with > so > > > >many models they have to compromise in this > area > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > >Here I have not yet forayed much into my Naks > > > except > > > >for my 670 ZX which sports gold output jacks > with > > > the > > > >lead out being Van den Hul wires. It does make > an > > > >improvement. My biggest mod pet is my Revox > semi > > > pro > > > >open reel (PR99) which has seen countless > upgrades, > > > >components,wires and such. It has helped the > Revox > > > >gain much better character, lower noise and a > > > pleasant > > > >tone. > > > > > > > >However, I would still say that Nak did use > pretty > > > >good parts that also helped it up the ante > against > > > the > > > >other manufacturers. Still for discerning > > > audiophiles > > > >like us, would the performance these components > > > give > > > >suffice? > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Bala > > > >Using Standard issue 680ZX (X 2), 670ZX, DR10, > 700 > > > , > > > >700II and 1000ZXL (under repair) > > > >--- KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wouter, Graham, Kannan, et al....... > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious what the importance of these > > > > > madifications are about. Honestly, our Nak > > > decks > > > > > are superb machines, hardly needing anything > > > more > > > > > than a pro maintenance check-up and > replacement > > > of > > > > > vital parts. When set to Nak engineering > specs, > > > > > these beautiful cassette decks are awesome > in > > > > > performance and dazzling to use as analogue > > > gear. > > > > > Spending $$$'s for mods seems silly, beyond > > > > > necessity for even the discerning audio > > > enhusiast's > > > > > needs. To be able to state that one has a > Nak > > > deck > > > > > with mods is certainly impressive, yet I > still > > > > > question the real advantages of tinkering > with > > > the > > > > > innards to squeeze an nth degree of > perfection > > > out > > > > > of these superbly engineered electronic > marvels. > > > > > Nakamichi decks rule in my world, no doubt > about > > > > > that, when properly maintained and , of > course, > > > used > > > > > regularly with tender loving attention and > care. > > > > > > > > > > Comments on the importance of modifications, > > > > > supporting or criticizing, I'd like to read > > > about > > > > > and debate. I'm back for a visit with my > > > NakTalk > > > > > friends and chatting some on this > interesting > > > topic. > > > > > I'm using standard issue Nak decks, ZX-7, > > > RX-505, > > > > > 550, 680ZX (in repair status), ZX-9 (in > repair > > > > > status). What are some of the other > NakTalkers > > > > > opinions about the worth of modifications? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > > > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > > Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 17:13:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:13:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <200501170404_MC3-1-934B-4389@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <20050117161320.7037.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like the ABLE circuit is really crucial to the performance of the deck Bala --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > The 700ZXE does not have any microcontroller, but > has two 4x8bit SRAMs > (MSM4039RS) to save the auto-calibration result. The > 700ZXL, otoh, has one > microcontroller for the RAMM feature. As a > comparison, 700ZXE uses two > tones (400Hz and 15kHz) for the auto-cal and 700ZXL > uses three. Looking at > the block diagram in the user's manual, 1000ZXL uses > FOUR tones for its > auto-calibration circuit and has two > microcontrollers: one for RAMM the > other for auto-cal. Looks like only the 1000ZXL has > a dedicated > microcontroller for the auto-calibration function. > > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <20050116230640.49477.qmail at web52402.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yeah I think this microprcessor has a masked eprom > or prom- like CR 7 > remote control chip. My gut feeling is that one > cannot design completely > compatible plug in module - but redesign a new > boards connecting to large > number of Logic inputs and outputs - after > understanding the actual > function and conditional logic embedded in the > processor. Bit a more time > consuming than finding what is going wrong in 1000 > ZXL - from what I > gathered from variuos discussions - only static ram > needs replacement not > the microprocessor. I have not seen any Nak product > microprocessor ever > failing on their own - only when wrong connector > plugged in to a CR 3 it > failed. 700 ZXE and 700 ZXL may use same > Microprocessor for instance. > so guys find out what is going wrong before > embarking on complete redesign > of the brain of 1000 ZXL > My wishes to you all who is participating in this > effort even though I may > not be using any of these developments. > kannan > > Scott Johnson wrote: > And how are you going to read the internal ROM. > > SJ > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 17:21:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:21:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <20050117084038.59473.qmail@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050117162134.61812.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the sub chassis being not even. The belt is not straight and could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts wear out more quickly if there is too much ozone present in the air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 years-despite being in a hot and humid tropical climate Bala --- James McAllister wrote: > Alex!, > > Thorens is not in the same league with the > Dragon-CT. My Thorens TD-125AB has always had > problems. The plastic motor pulley is junk. > Someday when I have time I'll machine a better one > and see if it improves belt performance. Belts wear > out about every six months. While you may enjoy > working on your Thorens, finding quality belts is a > problem for me. The Thorens subchassis suspension > system is a cheesey spring setup and might as well > not be there. Many of the Thorens internal parts > are cheap, stamped steel, which have corroded over > time. The Thorens machined tolerances are very > loose - the platter bearing rattles around. Grease > is required, rather than oil, to take up the slop. > My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a rubber internal > damping system that disintegrates and must be > replaced every 5 years or so, if you can find the > parts. The Thorens sounds better than the cheap > Garrard I had for many years, but not by much, and > it has been considerably less reliable than ! > the > Garrard was. > > In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required > anything in 22 years. The Dragon has close > tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and is > direct drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well > designed. I have two tonearms equipped with > different cartridges and the arms only take a few > seconds to plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no > audible rumble on the Dragon. The > computer-controlled platter centering system is an > optional-use feature and isn't required unless the > record is out of alignment. I use it rarely and it > has never required maintenance. The performance is > outstanding. For those who say the Dragon-CT > requires a lot of maintenance my experience > contradicts that. > > When I feel like fiddling with something I use the > Thorens. When I want to listen to music I use the > Dragon-CT. > > James > > Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi James! > > In the past I also own a few Thorens, the > "Maintenance"...is really > minimum...4 drops of oil each 3 years,on the bearing > & hole and replacement > of the belt...SO WHAT!!!!!. Much cheaper that the > CT-Dragon...WHICH...ALSO > need bearing lubrication so the Thorens...OK...NO > belts replacement! > > ALEX! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Jan 17 20:24:49 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:24:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050117050055.39539.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Is there a block on sending graphics to the forum as I have sent gif's of some data for the NEC processor as attachments and so far they have failed to appear. A copy of the original text is:- Victor Have attached the relevant scanned pages for the NEC processor family and hope they help. I will be very interested to know how you get on, as I do not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with mapping the functions. Anyone willing to donate one to me will be thanked profusely of course! Doug. I will send the gif's to Victor directly and am happy to send to anyone else interested. From kevinhuckle at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 17:31:57 2005 From: kevinhuckle at hotmail.com (Kevin Huckle) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:31:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? Message-ID: I have recently bought a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Deck, its in very good cosmetic condition. It has not been used for some time. I have powered it up and played a tape through it, it plays great through one channel, the other channel VU has a dim light, and the meter needle moves up and down a bit and sometimes there is some audiblke signal from this channel, there is a quiet signal, but I am not sure if this is crossover or not. Can anyone advise me as to the possible prpoblem here, and a solution if possible? hank you, in anticipation. Its serial Number is 3715048, is it possible to date it from this? From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 17 20:38:22 2005 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:38:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EC142E.2020604@peromarta.org> Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on a website ? I volunteer. LP. Doug Locke wrote: > Is there a block on sending graphics to the forum as I have sent gif's of > some data for the NEC processor as attachments and so far they have failed > to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > Victor > Have attached the relevant scanned pages for the NEC processor family and > hope they help. I will be very interested to know how you get on, as I do > not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with mapping the functions. Anyone > willing to donate one to me will be thanked profusely of course! > > Doug. > > > I will send the gif's to Victor directly and am happy to send to anyone else > interested. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 17 21:22:06 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:22:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <41EC142E.2020604@peromarta.org> References: <41EC142E.2020604@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <41EC1E6E.6070108@xs4all.nl> Done already: http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif Enjoy Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on a website ? > > I volunteer. > > LP. > > Doug Locke wrote: > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the forum as I have sent >> gif's of >> some data for the NEC processor as attachments and so far they have >> failed >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- >> >> Victor >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages for the NEC processor family >> and >> hope they help. I will be very interested to know how you get on, as >> I do >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with mapping the functions. >> Anyone >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked profusely of course! >> >> Doug. >> >> >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly and am happy to send to >> anyone else >> interested. >> >> From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 21:28:00 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050117202800.97392.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Works fine for me. Geocities sometimes shuts down my site because of too many accesses. This usually occurs when someone downloads a lot of brochure scans. If you have trouble, try again in an hour. SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Scott! > > Something is wrong, can't be open or download? > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:28:17 -0800 (PST) > > > >I captured some of the more recent discussion in my FAQ > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >scroll down to "Head and Pinch Roller Cleaning" > > > >SJ > > > >--- Nelson wrote: > > > > > Recommend you search the archive as this subjects come up > several > > > times > > > before and there were a number of recommendations and > cautionary > > > notes as > > > well. Can't remember them off hand - I';d have to search the > > > archive myself > > > to find them! > > > > > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > > > Of John Szymkowiak > > > Sent: 12 January 2005 17:23 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > > > > > > > > > I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in > cleaning > > > record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be > very > > > harsh on > > > the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an > > > acceptable > > > cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever > heard > > > of S & R > > > Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller > > > Cleaner > > > Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I > > > haven't > > > previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a > bottle of > > > the > > > stuff... What do you think? > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------======== > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From ti at amb.org Mon Jan 17 21:41:01 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:41:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR 7 mod In-Reply-To: <20050117141204.35855.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> from "kannan srinivasaraghavan" at Jan 17, 2005 06:12:04 AM Message-ID: <20050117204101.D2F8A13989@smtp.amb.org> Hi all, thanks to your answers to my question. I understand the issues with the CR-7 EQ mod now. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 22:21:44 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:21:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner In-Reply-To: <20050117202800.97392.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok...Scottt I will try later! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) > >Works fine for me. Geocities sometimes shuts down my site because of >too many accesses. This usually occurs when someone downloads a lot >of brochure scans. If you have trouble, try again in an hour. > >SJ >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > Something is wrong, can't be open or download? > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > > >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:28:17 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >I captured some of the more recent discussion in my FAQ > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > >scroll down to "Head and Pinch Roller Cleaning" > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > Recommend you search the archive as this subjects come up > > several > > > > times > > > > before and there were a number of recommendations and > > cautionary > > > > notes as > > > > well. Can't remember them off hand - I';d have to search the > > > > archive myself > > > > to find them! > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > > > > Of John Szymkowiak > > > > Sent: 12 January 2005 17:23 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pinchroller Cleaner/Conditioner > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been told not to use the denatured alcohol used in > > cleaning > > > > record/play/erase heads on the pinch rolers, as it tends to be > > very > > > > harsh on > > > > the rubber and lend cause to drying them out. What then, is an > > > > acceptable > > > > cleaner for these rubber based components? Has anyone ever > > heard > > > > of S & R > > > > Audio out of the state of Washington, and the 'Pro Pinch Roller > > > > Cleaner > > > > Rejuvenator' that they sell on eBay. I'm sorry to say that I > > > > haven't > > > > previouly done my homework, but, have already purchased a > > bottle of > > > > the > > > > stuff... What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > > >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======== > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From valman13440 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 22:23:50 2005 From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:23:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: [CassetteForum] Why was TDK SA used to calibrate most deck's? Message-ID: <20050117212350.53521.qmail@web40622.mail.yahoo.com> Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Keith H." Subject: [CassetteForum] Why was TDK SA used to calibrate most deck's? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:20:25 -0000 Size: 4071 URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 22:35:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:35:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) Message-ID: Shalom Bala! The MOST tip is that the turntable MUST BE SET 100% LEVEL...specially the "Springy" sub-chassis. equally leveled with the base as mines were...when I owned them!!! OK...now my current in use Technics is "Solid" one so I level it very accurately and only the Pro-ject use like all Thorens springs, always make me problems...in Winter & Summer I must re-check the levelness of the platter/arm sub-chassis...OK I know that problem, it's really good that this specific Pro-ject model 6.9 has a "Bubble" permanently so the level I can do it faster! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:21:34 -0800 (PST) > >I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the sub >chassis being not even. The belt is not straight and >could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts wear out >more quickly if there is too much ozone present in the >air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 >years-despite being in a hot and humid tropical >climate > >Bala >--- James McAllister wrote: > > > Alex!, > > > > Thorens is not in the same league with the > > Dragon-CT. My Thorens TD-125AB has always had > > problems. The plastic motor pulley is junk. > > Someday when I have time I'll machine a better one > > and see if it improves belt performance. Belts wear > > out about every six months. While you may enjoy > > working on your Thorens, finding quality belts is a > > problem for me. The Thorens subchassis suspension > > system is a cheesey spring setup and might as well > > not be there. Many of the Thorens internal parts > > are cheap, stamped steel, which have corroded over > > time. The Thorens machined tolerances are very > > loose - the platter bearing rattles around. Grease > > is required, rather than oil, to take up the slop. > > My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a rubber internal > > damping system that disintegrates and must be > > replaced every 5 years or so, if you can find the > > parts. The Thorens sounds better than the cheap > > Garrard I had for many years, but not by much, and > > it has been considerably less reliable than ! > > the > > Garrard was. > > > > In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required > > anything in 22 years. The Dragon has close > > tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and is > > direct drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well > > designed. I have two tonearms equipped with > > different cartridges and the arms only take a few > > seconds to plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no > > audible rumble on the Dragon. The > > computer-controlled platter centering system is an > > optional-use feature and isn't required unless the > > record is out of alignment. I use it rarely and it > > has never required maintenance. The performance is > > outstanding. For those who say the Dragon-CT > > requires a lot of maintenance my experience > > contradicts that. > > > > When I feel like fiddling with something I use the > > Thorens. When I want to listen to music I use the > > Dragon-CT. > > > > James > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hi James! > > > > In the past I also own a few Thorens, the > > "Maintenance"...is really > > minimum...4 drops of oil each 3 years,on the bearing > > & hole and replacement > > of the belt...SO WHAT!!!!!. Much cheaper that the > > CT-Dragon...WHICH...ALSO > > need bearing lubrication so the Thorens...OK...NO > > belts replacement! > > > > ALEX! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 22:37:06 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:37:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <20050117161320.7037.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Extremely & Imperative! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:13:20 -0800 (PST) > >Looks like the ABLE circuit is really crucial to the >performance of the deck > >Bala >--- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > > > Hi Kannan, > > > > The 700ZXE does not have any microcontroller, but > > has two 4x8bit SRAMs > > (MSM4039RS) to save the auto-calibration result. The > > 700ZXL, otoh, has one > > microcontroller for the RAMM feature. As a > > comparison, 700ZXE uses two > > tones (400Hz and 15kHz) for the auto-cal and 700ZXL > > uses three. Looking at > > the block diagram in the user's manual, 1000ZXL uses > > FOUR tones for its > > auto-calibration circuit and has two > > microcontrollers: one for RAMM the > > other for auto-cal. Looks like only the 1000ZXL has > > a dedicated > > microcontroller for the auto-calibration function. > > > > _Fuad > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > >Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: > > <20050116230640.49477.qmail at web52402.mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Yeah I think this microprcessor has a masked eprom > > or prom- like CR 7 > > remote control chip. My gut feeling is that one > > cannot design completely > > compatible plug in module - but redesign a new > > boards connecting to large > > number of Logic inputs and outputs - after > > understanding the actual > > function and conditional logic embedded in the > > processor. Bit a more time > > consuming than finding what is going wrong in 1000 > > ZXL - from what I > > gathered from variuos discussions - only static ram > > needs replacement not > > the microprocessor. I have not seen any Nak product > > microprocessor ever > > failing on their own - only when wrong connector > > plugged in to a CR 3 it > > failed. 700 ZXE and 700 ZXL may use same > > Microprocessor for instance. > > so guys find out what is going wrong before > > embarking on complete redesign > > of the brain of 1000 ZXL > > My wishes to you all who is participating in this > > effort even though I may > > not be using any of these developments. > > kannan > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > And how are you going to read the internal ROM. > > > > SJ > > < > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jmcalli at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 01:00:40 2005 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:00:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <1105953585.41eb83315cff4@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <20050118000041.91556.qmail@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bart, I saw the Nakamichi 1000 turntable when I purchased my Dragon-CT but I don't remember it very well. The platter centering mechanism of the Dragon-CT uses a separate arm that contacts the record and sends the runout to the computer which moves the platter to compensate. I vaguely remember that the 1000 used a different centering mechanism that was more complex but I could be wrong as it was over 20 years ago. I met a Nakamichi factory rep and he recommended the Dragon-CT. James bart honhoff wrote: Hi James (ea), I've seen some heavy modified Thorens record-players where actually only the axis and the motor were unmodified. As I can recall Thorens had a replacement plate, which was much heavier and it came with new suspension springs. I currently owe 2 Thorens record players (TD-126Mk2 with 3009SME, TD 320) I replace the oil (sewing machine indeed) and the belt every 5 years. The demping oil of the 3009SME has never been replaced. And I can not confirm for either of the Thorens recordplayer (nor for a TD165, TD166mk2 or TD145) that other rumble as of the record could be heard, unlike my collection of Duals (DD 701 or BD 601) Maybe the rumble filter of my Quad 34 or Nak Receiver 1 is to effective? They will not be of the same league as as 1000 or a Dragon. But considered the new price (a 1000 was about 5 x times a TD-2000), are you suprised? BTW does the Dragon have the same auto-centering mechanism as the 1000? regards, bart Quoting James McAllister : > Alex!, > > Thorens is not in the same league with the Dragon-CT. My Thorens TD-125AB > has always had problems. The plastic motor pulley is junk. Someday when I > have time I'll machine a better one and see if it improves belt performance. > Belts wear out about every six months. While you may enjoy working on your > Thorens, finding quality belts is a problem for me. The Thorens subchassis > suspension system is a cheesey spring setup and might as well not be there. > Many of the Thorens internal parts are cheap, stamped steel, which have > corroded over time. The Thorens machined tolerances are very loose - the > platter bearing rattles around. Grease is required, rather than oil, to take > up the slop. My Thorens' clunky SME tonearm has a rubber internal damping > system that disintegrates and must be replaced every 5 years or so, if you > can find the parts. The Thorens sounds better than the cheap Garrard I had > for many years, but not by much, and it has been considerably less reliable > than ! > the > Garrard was. > > In contrast, my Dragon-CT has never required anything in 22 years. The > Dragon has close tolerance, machined non-ferrous components and is direct > drive (no belts). The tonearm is very well designed. I have two tonearms > equipped with different cartridges and the arms only take a few seconds to > plug in. Unlike the Thorens, there is no audible rumble on the Dragon. The > computer-controlled platter centering system is an optional-use feature and > isn't required unless the record is out of alignment. I use it rarely and it > has never required maintenance. The performance is outstanding. For those > who say the Dragon-CT requires a lot of maintenance my experience contradicts > that. > > When I feel like fiddling with something I use the Thorens. When I want to > listen to music I use the Dragon-CT. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmcalli at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 01:13:51 2005 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:13:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <20050117162134.61812.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118001351.84401.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, You're probably correct about the subchassis alignment. I think the springs are bad. James Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the sub chassis being not even. The belt is not straight and could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts wear out more quickly if there is too much ozone present in the air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 years-despite being in a hot and humid tropical climate Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Jan 18 02:17:18 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:17:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <20050118001351.84401.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050118001351.84401.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41EC639E.4000103@cox.net> Way back when, TD125's usually came in for service for one of two problems, both related to platter speed and platter drive. The belt wore out, of course, but there was a servo problem that plagued some of them which required replacement of a particular transistor and re-adjustment of the servo electronics to sync the speed. It was during these repairs that I noticed some of them had uneven chassis heights, and I would adjust the springs to bring the chassis back to level again. I don't know if they shipped that way from the factory or if they sagged with age. None of the ones I adjusted returned to me for repair with the chassis sagging again. James McAllister wrote: > Bala, > > You're probably correct about the subchassis alignment. I think the > springs are bad. > > James > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the sub > chassis being not even. The belt is not straight and > could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts wear out > more quickly if there is too much ozone present in the > air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 > years-despite being in a hot and humid tropical > climate > > Bala > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 18 01:31:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:31:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EC58E4.9090303@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kevin, Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in its playback or line output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB connector. No crossover is involved. The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power supply problem. Hope this helps! N-Joy! Kevin Huckle wrote: > I have recently bought a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Deck, its in very good > cosmetic condition. It has not been used for some time. I have powered > it up and played a tape through it, it plays great through one channel, > the other channel VU has a dim light, and the meter needle moves up and > down a bit and sometimes there is some audiblke signal from this > channel, there is a quiet signal, but I am not sure if this is crossover > or not. Can anyone advise me as to the possible prpoblem here, and a > solution if possible? hank you, in anticipation. Its serial Number is > 3715048, is it possible to date it from this? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From motionman20 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 18 02:56:54 2005 From: motionman20 at hotmail.com (MotionMan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:56:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts Message-ID: In an earlier post I mentioned that I needed bearings for the left and right capstan assembly for my Dragon. Some of you were incredulous as to whether my bearings were actually worn and needing replacement. Well, this is my sad story about how NOT to use and care for such a fine cassette deck. I purchased it in 1985 and first used it regularly for 7 years with no maintenance or lubrication. In 1993, I decided to teach my African Gray parrot some phrases, so I made a tape with these phrases and used the auto-reverse feature of my Dragon to play this tape repeatedly for as much as 12 hours at a time. I think you can imagine the heat and wear that occured in these bearings during the little "teaching project " Anyway no lubrication or maintenance for a total of 19 years took its toll, and its last use was the final straw. My first sign of trouble was in 1993 with the wrinkling of tapes when they were played in the reverse direction. I continued to use the deck occasionally in the forward direction, but finally in 2004, the idler tire became too worn and the tape speed was erratic due to both capstan shafts wobbling in their bearings. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Johnson p9019 at yahoo.com was kind enough to reply : " CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So, does anyone know where I can locate new or used bearings or the above assemblies ? Failing that, I suppose my next best alternative would be to find a RX-505 or RX-303 that I could disassemble for parts. If anyone can help me locate any of the above, I would be very grateful. Regards, Tom Bigelow motionman20 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Jan 18 03:16:04 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:16:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EC7164.8020401@cox.net> That is a sad story, indeed. But did the African Gray learn anything? MotionMan wrote: > In an earlier post I mentioned that I needed bearings for the left and > right capstan assembly for my Dragon. Some of you were incredulous as > to whether my bearings were actually worn and needing replacement. > Well, this is my sad story about how NOT to use and care for such a > fine cassette deck. I purchased it in 1985 and first > used it regularly for 7 years with no maintenance or lubrication. In > 1993, I decided to teach my African Gray parrot some phrases, so I > made a tape with these phrases and used the auto-reverse feature of my > Dragon to play this tape repeatedly for as much as 12 hours at a > time. I think you can imagine the heat and wear that occured in these > bearings during the little "teaching project " Anyway no lubrication > or maintenance for a total of 19 years took its toll, and its last use > was the final straw. > > My first sign of trouble was in 1993 with the wrinkling of tapes when > they were played in the reverse direction. I continued to use the > deck occasionally in the forward direction, but finally in 2004, the > idler tire became too worn and the tape speed was erratic due to both > capstan shafts wobbling in their bearings. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scott Johnson p9019 at yahoo.com was kind enough to reply : > > " CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy > CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy > My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably > RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). > Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B " > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > So, does anyone know where I can locate new or used bearings or the > above assemblies ? > > Failing that, I suppose my next best alternative would be to find a > RX-505 or RX-303 that I could disassemble for parts. > > If anyone can help me locate any of the above, I would be very grateful. > > Regards, Tom Bigelow motionman20 at hotmail.com > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 18 04:09:40 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:09:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR 7 mod & and The old EQ issue In-Reply-To: <20050117141204.35855.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050117141204.35855.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41EC7DF4.5090603@snet.net> A remarkable thing happened with all the Nakamichi's beginning with 480, 580, 670/80 series. When tested for review, the high end peak which was typical of the previous Naks with the Teac playback test tape was almost entirely gone. I would tend to think that they standardized closer to the IEC I curve with these and later decks than with the original series. I would also agree that while the IEC I and II curves are somewhat different, it is definitely a subtle difference. Pretty much all the hype about non standard eq is born out of machines produced only in the early to mid 1970s and a non issue with later decks. In fact, as the years went on, you will find that many decks from Sony and H/K especially tended to drastically deviate from IEC II in order to spec well for record and playback while being much less compatable with other machines. Ed kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > The fault is in Record equalization and playback is standard - I > think Playback is in IEC I ? Scott would be a better person to answer > this. IEC I and II are slightly different and does not matter even if > you use another make car cassette player because I found any nak > recorded cassette was playing beautifully on my Car player - > Mitsubishi OEM ( must be some taiwanese or malasian make model.) and > they sounded wonderful even if they have been recorded on ZX 7 or BX 300. > CR 7 should sound great without tohing any playback circuit - infact I > sent my older ( pre gear mod/eqmod ) player to Graham after modding > record eq only without gear upadate. > I found after correcting rec equalization electronics on record > circuit - it was recording wonderfully. > kannan > > Edward Noyes wrote: > > The original CR-7A had a design flaw in the eq circuit which > caused it to roll off above 15k. The bigger problem is that this > flaw would cause the calibration circuit to somewhat detune in > order to try to compensate. There is an exact serial number where > this was resolved. For earlier decks, there is a little known > service bulletin. The repair is fairly involved and requires > complete recalibration after its done. > > Ed > > Nelson wrote: > >>Stephen Sank did a posting about the CR7 Eq curve issue, which will be in >>the archive, I suppose. I recall he described it as a "correction", that >>Nakamichi got it wrong the first time around. I was never quite sure if he >>meant they made an engineering error or an error of judgement! >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Ti Kan >>>Sent: 17 January 2005 12:44 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables >>> >>> >>>All this talk about turntables, here is one of my own design. I >>>built this >>>a couple of years ago and I am quite proud of it. I call it the AMB Labs >>>Lambda 1: >>> http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/analog-b.html >>> >>>Anyway, to keep on topic about Naks, I asked about playback EQ upgrade >>>on early CR-7s in a previous email but so far have not received >>>a definitive answer. Is this upgrade to change from the IEC1 to IEC2 >>>curve? Or was there something wrong with the early CR-7s that >>>require "fixing"? As some of you know, I just acquired an early >>>CR-7 in beautiful condition but if it is in need of an upgrade to >>>perform its best, I'd like to know about it. >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>-Ti >>>-- >>>Ti Kan >>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 18 04:15:19 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:15:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EC7F47.90503@snet.net> If you're up for it, you need to remove the case, and the face plate. Then you need to pull every board that has an edge connector, and all the wiring harnesses. After removing the boards you will clean all contacts on the board well, not to mention the sockets as well. Put it all back together and there's about a 95% chance that the deck will be working perfectly from an electronic standpoint. This process holds true for 600 and 1000 as well. Ed Kevin Huckle wrote: > I have recently bought a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Deck, its in very > good cosmetic condition. It has not been used for some time. I have > powered it up and played a tape through it, it plays great through one > channel, the other channel VU has a dim light, and the meter needle > moves up and down a bit and sometimes there is some audiblke signal > from this channel, there is a quiet signal, but I am not sure if this > is crossover or not. Can anyone advise me as to the possible prpoblem > here, and a solution if possible? hank you, in anticipation. Its > serial Number is 3715048, is it possible to date it from this? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 05:16:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <41EC639E.4000103@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050118041607.16537.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Hi James, and Tim, Critical to the sound, and to prolong the life of the cart especially, its vital to get the sub chassis level. And then , the three plastic cups on which the three springs sit have to be adjusted for correct height. I put a very very tiny amount of silicon oil on the threads to help. So tiny, you actually wet your finger tips with the oil and rub on the threads. Don't talc this belt, rubber belts dont need that, unlike fiber belts. However, get some autosol, and polish the surface of the inner platter on which the rubber sits. It will clean away the rubber deposits and give a good drive. If you still have a problem, there is a chance the motor itself is off center. I never had to adjust this until I modified my deck. But one of the screws has red paint on it. This one is spring loaded and you can adjust it to ensure the motor is centered. This could also cause non-parellel contact with the belt. I never had a problem with the nylon spindle on the motor, but later on, in my polytechnic, I machined a brass one and it was fine. Few years later, I changed the iron plate onto which everything is mounted to a thick nylon sheet. Pretty interesting, but it aso meant now the 125 is heavy!! If you do need further help, email me offlist. I'll get you intouch with Rolph Kelch who was the production engineer for Thorens when the 125 was produced. Bala Bala --- Tim Barrett wrote: > Way back when, TD125's usually came in for service > for one of two > problems, both related to platter speed and platter > drive. The belt > wore out, of course, but there was a servo problem > that plagued some of > them which required replacement of a particular > transistor and > re-adjustment of the servo electronics to sync the > speed. > > It was during these repairs that I noticed some of > them had uneven > chassis heights, and I would adjust the springs to > bring the chassis > back to level again. I don't know if they shipped > that way from the > factory or if they sagged with age. None of the > ones I adjusted > returned to me for repair with the chassis sagging > again. > > James McAllister wrote: > > > Bala, > > > > You're probably correct about the subchassis > alignment. I think the > > springs are bad. > > > > James > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > > > I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the > sub > > chassis being not even. The belt is not > straight and > > could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts > wear out > > more quickly if there is too much ozone > present in the > > air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 > > years-despite being in a hot and humid > tropical > > climate > > > > Bala > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 05:20:19 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <41EC1E6E.6070108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050118042019.492.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to work right away. I think if we ever make this into some kind of non-profit product, we should include a badge to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called 'The Spirit of Nakamichi' . Thanks Bala --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Done already: > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > Enjoy > Wouter > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on a > website ? > > > > I volunteer. > > > > LP. > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the forum > as I have sent > >> gif's of > >> some data for the NEC processor as attachments > and so far they have > >> failed > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > >> > >> Victor > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages for the > NEC processor family > >> and > >> hope they help. I will be very interested to know > how you get on, as > >> I do > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with > mapping the functions. > >> Anyone > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > profusely of course! > >> > >> Doug. > >> > >> > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly and am > happy to send to > >> anyone else > >> interested. > >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 18 05:38:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:38:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) Message-ID: BRAVO BALA!!!! YOUR ADVICE IS 100% EXACTLY AND VERY CUTE!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) > >Hi James, and Tim, > > Critical to the sound, and to prolong the >life of the cart especially, its vital to get the sub >chassis level. And then , the three plastic cups on >which the three springs sit have to be adjusted for >correct height. I put a very very tiny amount of >silicon oil on the threads to help. So tiny, you >actually wet your finger tips with the oil and rub on >the threads. Don't talc this belt, rubber belts dont >need that, unlike fiber belts. However, get some >autosol, and polish the surface of the inner platter >on which the rubber sits. It will clean away the >rubber deposits and give a good drive. If you still >have a problem, there is a chance the motor itself is >off center. I never had to adjust this until I >modified my deck. But one of the screws has red paint >on it. This one is spring loaded and you can adjust it >to ensure the motor is centered. This could also cause >non-parellel contact with the belt. >I never had a problem with the nylon spindle on the >motor, but later on, in my polytechnic, I machined a >brass one and it was fine. Few years later, I changed >the iron plate onto which everything is mounted to a >thick nylon sheet. Pretty interesting, but it aso >meant now the 125 is heavy!! > >If you do need further help, email me offlist. I'll >get you intouch with Rolph Kelch who was the >production engineer for Thorens when the 125 was >produced. > >Bala >Bala >--- Tim Barrett wrote: > > > Way back when, TD125's usually came in for service > > for one of two > > problems, both related to platter speed and platter > > drive. The belt > > wore out, of course, but there was a servo problem > > that plagued some of > > them which required replacement of a particular > > transistor and > > re-adjustment of the servo electronics to sync the > > speed. > > > > It was during these repairs that I noticed some of > > them had uneven > > chassis heights, and I would adjust the springs to > > bring the chassis > > back to level again. I don't know if they shipped > > that way from the > > factory or if they sagged with age. None of the > > ones I adjusted > > returned to me for repair with the chassis sagging > > again. > > > > James McAllister wrote: > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > You're probably correct about the subchassis > > alignment. I think the > > > springs are bad. > > > > > > James > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > > > > > I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the > > sub > > > chassis being not even. The belt is not > > straight and > > > could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts > > wear out > > > more quickly if there is too much ozone > > present in the > > > air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 > > > years-despite being in a hot and humid > > tropical > > > climate > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! >http://my.yahoo.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 05:45:43 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:45:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050118044543.46077.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Shalom Alex, Cute? Thanks!!! Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > BRAVO BALA!!!! YOUR ADVICE IS 100% EXACTLY AND VERY > CUTE!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables > (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) > >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi James, and Tim, > > > > Critical to the sound, and to prolong > the > >life of the cart especially, its vital to get the > sub > >chassis level. And then , the three plastic cups on > >which the three springs sit have to be adjusted for > >correct height. I put a very very tiny amount of > >silicon oil on the threads to help. So tiny, you > >actually wet your finger tips with the oil and rub > on > >the threads. Don't talc this belt, rubber belts > dont > >need that, unlike fiber belts. However, get some > >autosol, and polish the surface of the inner > platter > >on which the rubber sits. It will clean away the > >rubber deposits and give a good drive. If you still > >have a problem, there is a chance the motor itself > is > >off center. I never had to adjust this until I > >modified my deck. But one of the screws has red > paint > >on it. This one is spring loaded and you can adjust > it > >to ensure the motor is centered. This could also > cause > >non-parellel contact with the belt. > >I never had a problem with the nylon spindle on the > >motor, but later on, in my polytechnic, I machined > a > >brass one and it was fine. Few years later, I > changed > >the iron plate onto which everything is mounted to > a > >thick nylon sheet. Pretty interesting, but it aso > >meant now the 125 is heavy!! > > > >If you do need further help, email me offlist. I'll > >get you intouch with Rolph Kelch who was the > >production engineer for Thorens when the 125 was > >produced. > > > >Bala > >Bala > >--- Tim Barrett wrote: > > > > > Way back when, TD125's usually came in for > service > > > for one of two > > > problems, both related to platter speed and > platter > > > drive. The belt > > > wore out, of course, but there was a servo > problem > > > that plagued some of > > > them which required replacement of a particular > > > transistor and > > > re-adjustment of the servo electronics to sync > the > > > speed. > > > > > > It was during these repairs that I noticed some > of > > > them had uneven > > > chassis heights, and I would adjust the springs > to > > > bring the chassis > > > back to level again. I don't know if they > shipped > > > that way from the > > > factory or if they sagged with age. None of the > > > ones I adjusted > > > returned to me for repair with the chassis > sagging > > > again. > > > > > > James McAllister wrote: > > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > > > You're probably correct about the subchassis > > > alignment. I think the > > > > springs are bad. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think the belts wearing out is a sign of > the > > > sub > > > > chassis being not even. The belt is not > > > straight and > > > > could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber > parts > > > wear out > > > > more quickly if there is too much ozone > > > present in the > > > > air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to > 5 > > > > years-despite being in a hot and humid > > > tropical > > > > climate > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > >http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From jmcalli at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 07:00:10 2005 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:00:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Older Sony Turntables (Thorens vs. Dragon-CT) In-Reply-To: <20050118041607.16537.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118060011.36698.qmail@web30609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Thanks. I will use your advice. James Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi James, and Tim, Critical to the sound, and to prolong the life of the cart especially, its vital to get the sub chassis level. And then , the three plastic cups on which the three springs sit have to be adjusted for correct height. I put a very very tiny amount of silicon oil on the threads to help. So tiny, you actually wet your finger tips with the oil and rub on the threads. Don't talc this belt, rubber belts dont need that, unlike fiber belts. However, get some autosol, and polish the surface of the inner platter on which the rubber sits. It will clean away the rubber deposits and give a good drive. If you still have a problem, there is a chance the motor itself is off center. I never had to adjust this until I modified my deck. But one of the screws has red paint on it. This one is spring loaded and you can adjust it to ensure the motor is centered. This could also cause non-parellel contact with the belt. I never had a problem with the nylon spindle on the motor, but later on, in my polytechnic, I machined a brass one and it was fine. Few years later, I changed the iron plate onto which everything is mounted to a thick nylon sheet. Pretty interesting, but it aso meant now the 125 is heavy!! If you do need further help, email me offlist. I'll get you intouch with Rolph Kelch who was the production engineer for Thorens when the 125 was produced. Bala Bala --- Tim Barrett wrote: > Way back when, TD125's usually came in for service > for one of two > problems, both related to platter speed and platter > drive. The belt > wore out, of course, but there was a servo problem > that plagued some of > them which required replacement of a particular > transistor and > re-adjustment of the servo electronics to sync the > speed. > > It was during these repairs that I noticed some of > them had uneven > chassis heights, and I would adjust the springs to > bring the chassis > back to level again. I don't know if they shipped > that way from the > factory or if they sagged with age. None of the > ones I adjusted > returned to me for repair with the chassis sagging > again. > > James McAllister wrote: > > > Bala, > > > > You're probably correct about the subchassis > alignment. I think the > > springs are bad. > > > > James > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > > > I think the belts wearing out is a sign of the > sub > > chassis being not even. The belt is not > straight and > > could be wearing out fast. Also, rubber parts > wear out > > more quickly if there is too much ozone > present in the > > air. My 125 had a belt change once in 4 to 5 > > years-despite being in a hot and humid > tropical > > climate > > > > Bala > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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You can verify this by taking them out and feeling for the wear in the shaft. Unfortunately the Flywheel holder assembly will be near impossible to find new. I don't know if this part is shared by any other decks. My price list does not list that P/N. Anybody out there with service manuals for chassic Naks mechanism decks. Look to see if the Flywheel Holder Assembly is P/N CA08382x. I suspect that the Dragon is the only one partly because of the direct drive motors on each of the capstans. A feature that I believe only the Dragon and TD-1200 have. SJ BTW - I enjoyed the story. --- MotionMan wrote: > In an earlier post I mentioned that I needed bearings for the left > and right capstan assembly for my Dragon. Some of you were > incredulous as to whether my bearings were actually worn and > needing replacement. Well, this is my sad story about how NOT to > use and care for such a fine cassette deck. I purchased it in 1985 > and first > used it regularly for 7 years with no maintenance or lubrication. > In 1993, I decided to teach my African Gray parrot some phrases, > so I made a tape with these phrases and used the auto-reverse > feature of my Dragon to play this tape repeatedly for as much as 12 > hours at a time. I think you can imagine the heat and wear that > occured in these bearings during the little "teaching project " > Anyway no lubrication or maintenance for a total of 19 years took > its toll, and its last use was the final straw. > > My first sign of trouble was in 1993 with the wrinkling of tapes > when they were played in the reverse direction. I continued to use > the deck occasionally in the forward direction, but finally in > 2004, the idler tire became too worn and the tape speed was erratic > due to both capstan shafts wobbling in their bearings. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scott Johnson p9019 at yahoo.com was kind enough to reply : > > " CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy > CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy > My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably > RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). > Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B " > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > So, does anyone know where I can locate new or used bearings or the > above assemblies ? > > Failing that, I suppose my next best alternative would be to find a > RX-505 or RX-303 that I could disassemble for parts. > > If anyone can help me locate any of the above, I would be very > grateful. > > Regards, Tom Bigelow motionman20 at hotmail.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 18 08:02:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:02:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118042019.492.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c4fd2b$b56f2e40$9fcf4c51@oemcomputer> I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the spirit of Nakamichi represented giving up on supporting this technology! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to work > right away. I think if we ever make this into some > kind of non-profit product, we should include a badge > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called 'The > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > Thanks > Bala > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Done already: > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > Enjoy > > Wouter > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on a > > website ? > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the forum > > as I have sent > > >> gif's of > > >> some data for the NEC processor as attachments > > and so far they have > > >> failed > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > >> > > >> Victor > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages for the > > NEC processor family > > >> and > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested to know > > how you get on, as > > >> I do > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with > > mapping the functions. > > >> Anyone > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > profusely of course! > > >> > > >> Doug. > > >> > > >> > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly and am > > happy to send to > > >> anyone else > > >> interested. > > >> > > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 18 08:02:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:02:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts In-Reply-To: <41EC7164.8020401@cox.net> Message-ID: <004001c4fd2b$bedd1f00$9fcf4c51@oemcomputer> Probably flew into a window to escape the repetition! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: 18 January 2005 02:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts That is a sad story, indeed. But did the African Gray learn anything? MotionMan wrote: In an earlier post I mentioned that I needed bearings for the left and right capstan assembly for my Dragon. Some of you were incredulous as to whether my bearings were actually worn and needing replacement. Well, this is my sad story about how NOT to use and care for such a fine cassette deck. I purchased it in 1985 and first used it regularly for 7 years with no maintenance or lubrication. In 1993, I decided to teach my African Gray parrot some phrases, so I made a tape with these phrases and used the auto-reverse feature of my Dragon to play this tape repeatedly for as much as 12 hours at a time. I think you can imagine the heat and wear that occured in these bearings during the little "teaching project " Anyway no lubrication or maintenance for a total of 19 years took its toll, and its last use was the final straw. My first sign of trouble was in 1993 with the wrinkling of tapes when they were played in the reverse direction. I continued to use the deck occasionally in the forward direction, but finally in 2004, the idler tire became too worn and the tape speed was erratic due to both capstan shafts wobbling in their bearings. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Johnson p9019 at yahoo.com was kind enough to reply : " CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B " ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ So, does anyone know where I can locate new or used bearings or the above assemblies ? Failing that, I suppose my next best alternative would be to find a RX-505 or RX-303 that I could disassemble for parts. If anyone can help me locate any of the above, I would be very grateful. Regards, Tom Bigelow motionman20 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bhonhoff at dds.nl Tue Jan 18 09:17:28 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <41EC58E4.9090303@woods-and-waters.com> References: <41EC58E4.9090303@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1106036248.41ecc6185fdd7@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the motor of a Nak 600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. regards, bart honhoff Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" : > Hi Kevin, > > Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in its playback or line > output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB connector. > No crossover is involved. > > The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power supply > problem. > > Hope this helps! > From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Tue Jan 18 10:42:59 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:42:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment References: <001501c4de5f$a26fc5b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <002401c4de62$dd62d6a0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: <01fa01c4fd42$18a8c8c0$0200a8c0@lan> Dear Dino, Has your problem already been solved? I just returned from France; I own a workshop manual of the (our) 582. If necessary I can copy some pages. Greetings Johan Berserik ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Bauer To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment To the Nak Treasure Chest, Does anyone have the 582 PB head alignment procedure handy for sharing? I am in need of resetting my 582 back to factory settings. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 11:46:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:46:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <003f01c4fd2b$b56f2e40$9fcf4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050118104614.73309.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in a way, indentifying those who washed their hands off this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I still think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never delibrately make their future decks better. Opinions, views please.. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > spirit of Nakamichi > represented giving up on supporting this technology! > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to > work > > right away. I think if we ever make this into some > > kind of non-profit product, we should include a > badge > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > 'The > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > Thanks > > Bala > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > Enjoy > > > Wouter > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on > a > > > website ? > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the > forum > > > as I have sent > > > >> gif's of > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > attachments > > > and so far they have > > > >> failed > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > > >> > > > >> Victor > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages for > the > > > NEC processor family > > > >> and > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested to > know > > > how you get on, as > > > >> I do > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with > > > mapping the functions. > > > >> Anyone > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > > profusely of course! > > > >> > > > >> Doug. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly and > am > > > happy to send to > > > >> anyone else > > > >> interested. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 12:46:50 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:46:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118104614.73309.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118114650.70451.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> I feel 1000ZXL deserves kudos but that does not mean it is their best. Nakamichi' best Deck is Dragon / CR 7 or ZX 9 . Auto calibration in CR 7 is the best compromise when you see the difference is only checking bias and level at 4 different frequencies versus 2 frequencies. When I tried calibrating many Naks my finding was that these two frequencies almost makes the record play response almost perfect because of the head and whole circuitry. One will get fantastic results in 582 or 680 or ZX 7/9. You will hear a subtle difference in playback due entirely due to circuit differences. Only difference in 1000 ZXL is special alignment in play and record circuit to get freq below 70 Hz to 20 Hz within 1 dB. ZX 9/ Dragon mechanism will beat 1000 ZXL mechanism easily in all the performance issues. Dragon will play back any tape better than 1000 ZXL due to auto azimuth - 1000 ZXL is legendary no doubt but not the greatest. Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Graham, If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in a way, indentifying those who washed their hands off this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I still think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never delibrately make their future decks better. Opinions, views please.. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > spirit of Nakamichi > represented giving up on supporting this technology! > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to > work > > right away. I think if we ever make this into some > > kind of non-profit product, we should include a > badge > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > 'The > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > Thanks > > Bala > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > Enjoy > > > Wouter > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on > a > > > website ? > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the > forum > > > as I have sent > > > >> gif's of > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > attachments > > > and so far they have > > > >> failed > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > > >> > > > >> Victor > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages for > the > > > NEC processor family > > > >> and > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested to > know > > > how you get on, as > > > >> I do > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with > > > mapping the functions. > > > >> Anyone > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > > profusely of course! > > > >> > > > >> Doug. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly and > am > > > happy to send to > > > >> anyone else > > > >> interested. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 13:00:36 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:00:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts In-Reply-To: <20050118065437.25069.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118120036.99500.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Scott Dragon part would be the same as any other - 582/682/LX series. I Once again - I doubt anything is wrong with the bearing from my personal experience - Stephen had told me the same that it may need replacement. Looks like he has other issues like capstan pinch rolls, and ofcourse head block arm or guides having frozen lubricant. finally I have seen belt connecting spool sensor affects reverse play functions and may need replacement. First these issues must be addressed before touching the bearings - 99.9 % he will find that replacement is not easy and does not solve problem. The bronze bearing almost destruction proof - I have a pretty badly kept/ maintained Dragon in India - I used that to learn everything about Dragon - when I opened the capstans - i found that it is not the problem. Bronze bearing was in excellent shape. Unfortunately it will be a costly experiment kannan Scott Johnson wrote: Yikes. I can see your problem now. I suspect your capstan shafts are probably OK since they are steel and that the wear is limited to the bearings which are bronze and not as hard. You can verify this by taking them out and feeling for the wear in the shaft. Unfortunately the Flywheel holder assembly will be near impossible to find new. I don't know if this part is shared by any other decks. My price list does not list that P/N. Anybody out there with service manuals for chassic Naks mechanism decks. Look to see if the Flywheel Holder Assembly is P/N CA08382x. I suspect that the Dragon is the only one partly because of the direct drive motors on each of the capstans. A feature that I believe only the Dragon and TD-1200 have. SJ BTW - I enjoyed the story. --- MotionMan wrote: > In an earlier post I mentioned that I needed bearings for the left > and right capstan assembly for my Dragon. Some of you were > incredulous as to whether my bearings were actually worn and > needing replacement. Well, this is my sad story about how NOT to > use and care for such a fine cassette deck. I purchased it in 1985 > and first > used it regularly for 7 years with no maintenance or lubrication. > In 1993, I decided to teach my African Gray parrot some phrases, > so I made a tape with these phrases and used the auto-reverse > feature of my Dragon to play this tape repeatedly for as much as 12 > hours at a time. I think you can imagine the heat and wear that > occured in these bearings during the little "teaching project " > Anyway no lubrication or maintenance for a total of 19 years took > its toll, and its last use was the final straw. > > My first sign of trouble was in 1993 with the wrinkling of tapes > when they were played in the reverse direction. I continued to use > the deck occasionally in the forward direction, but finally in > 2004, the idler tire became too worn and the tape speed was erratic > due to both capstan shafts wobbling in their bearings. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scott Johnson p9019 at yahoo.com was kind enough to reply : > > " CA08433A Take-up flywheel sub assy > CA08434A Supply flywheel sub assy > My 1988-89 Price list shows them as being used on the RX (probably > RX-505 and possibly the RX-303 as well). > Bearings are on the Flywheel Holder assy CA08382B " > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > So, does anyone know where I can locate new or used bearings or the > above assemblies ? > > Failing that, I suppose my next best alternative would be to find a > RX-505 or RX-303 that I could disassemble for parts. > > If anyone can help me locate any of the above, I would be very > grateful. > > Regards, Tom Bigelow motionman20 at hotmail.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 13:10:33 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:10:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118114650.70451.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118121033.9328.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, I am speaking with half facts here. But I was told the heads on the 1000ZXL have a response of up to 50kHz!! I think with a suitable upgrade package, it could really be superior. It was produced at at a time when embedded computing was at its infancy and it took many components to get it to sound that way. The Dragon and CR7 of course didnt end up this complex as the engineers had better technology at their disposal. However, to go beyond components and technology, comes the engineers' ingenuity. The likes of Seymour Cray (of Cray Supercomputers) to built circuits with fantastic perfomrance out of reject transistors, and Nakamichi engineers to produce decks with such suberb specs with tape travelling so slow! I dont think this amound of engineering and work would go like that. In some respects, I view the 1000ZXL like the Anglo-French Concorde. Very good, one of a kind, and an impossible act to follow. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I feel 1000ZXL deserves kudos but that does not mean > it is their best. Nakamichi' best Deck is Dragon / > CR 7 or ZX 9 . Auto calibration in CR 7 is the best > compromise when you see the difference is only > checking bias and level at 4 different frequencies > versus 2 frequencies. When I tried calibrating many > Naks my finding was that these two frequencies > almost makes the record play response almost perfect > because of the head and whole circuitry. One will > get fantastic results in 582 or 680 or ZX 7/9. You > will hear a subtle difference in playback due > entirely due to circuit differences. Only difference > in 1000 ZXL is special alignment in play and record > circuit to get freq below 70 Hz to 20 Hz within 1 > dB. ZX 9/ Dragon mechanism will beat 1000 ZXL > mechanism easily in all the performance issues. > Dragon will play back any tape better than 1000 ZXL > due to auto azimuth - 1000 ZXL is legendary no doubt > but not the greatest. > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Graham, > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands off > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I still > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > delibrately make their future decks better. > Opinions, > views please.. > > Bala > --- Nelson wrote: > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > spirit of Nakamichi > > represented giving up on supporting this > technology! > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to > > work > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > some > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include a > > badge > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > 'The > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > Thanks > > > Bala > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > on > > a > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the > > forum > > > > as I have sent > > > > >> gif's of > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > attachments > > > > and so far they have > > > > >> failed > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > > > >> > > > > >> Victor > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > for > > the > > > > NEC processor family > > > > >> and > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > to > > know > > > > how you get on, as > > > > >> I do > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > with > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > >> Anyone > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > > > profusely of course! > > > > >> > > > > >> Doug. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > and > > am > > > > happy to send to > > > > >> anyone else > > > > >> interested. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 13:23:09 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:23:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118121033.9328.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118122309.5830.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> 1000 ZXL and 582 share the same heads and just remove the bias trap circuit ( only useful when you record and use the play circuit to monitor) - you can get 50 Khz play response or atleast 40 Khz response on a 582 ! Stephen with the bias trap had measured 36KHz response on a 582 ! All naks use the same heads infact - the secret of nak is the heads and the dual capstan pressure pad less transport. kannan PS my other post on Dragon parts please correct Stephen' advice - he told the same that it may not be the reason for Dragon issues. He advised to clean the bearing as the lubricant would have dried inside - I had removed lot of black frozen lubricant. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, I am speaking with half facts here. But I was told the heads on the 1000ZXL have a response of up to 50kHz!! I think with a suitable upgrade package, it could really be superior. It was produced at at a time when embedded computing was at its infancy and it took many components to get it to sound that way. The Dragon and CR7 of course didnt end up this complex as the engineers had better technology at their disposal. However, to go beyond components and technology, comes the engineers' ingenuity. The likes of Seymour Cray (of Cray Supercomputers) to built circuits with fantastic perfomrance out of reject transistors, and Nakamichi engineers to produce decks with such suberb specs with tape travelling so slow! I dont think this amound of engineering and work would go like that. In some respects, I view the 1000ZXL like the Anglo-French Concorde. Very good, one of a kind, and an impossible act to follow. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I feel 1000ZXL deserves kudos but that does not mean > it is their best. Nakamichi' best Deck is Dragon / > CR 7 or ZX 9 . Auto calibration in CR 7 is the best > compromise when you see the difference is only > checking bias and level at 4 different frequencies > versus 2 frequencies. When I tried calibrating many > Naks my finding was that these two frequencies > almost makes the record play response almost perfect > because of the head and whole circuitry. One will > get fantastic results in 582 or 680 or ZX 7/9. You > will hear a subtle difference in playback due > entirely due to circuit differences. Only difference > in 1000 ZXL is special alignment in play and record > circuit to get freq below 70 Hz to 20 Hz within 1 > dB. ZX 9/ Dragon mechanism will beat 1000 ZXL > mechanism easily in all the performance issues. > Dragon will play back any tape better than 1000 ZXL > due to auto azimuth - 1000 ZXL is legendary no doubt > but not the greatest. > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Graham, > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands off > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I still > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > delibrately make their future decks better. > Opinions, > views please.. > > Bala > --- Nelson wrote: > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > spirit of Nakamichi > > represented giving up on supporting this > technology! > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to > > work > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > some > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include a > > badge > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > 'The > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > Thanks > > > Bala > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > on > > a > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the > > forum > > > > as I have sent > > > > >> gif's of > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > attachments > > > > and so far they have > > > > >> failed > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > > > >> > > > > >> Victor > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > for > > the > > > > NEC processor family > > > > >> and > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > to > > know > > > > how you get on, as > > > > >> I do > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > with > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > >> Anyone > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > > > profusely of course! > > > > >> > > > > >> Doug. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > and > > am > > > > happy to send to > > > > >> anyone else > > > > >> interested. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 18 13:21:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:21:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118104614.73309.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c4fd58$3e3ab240$9fcf4c51@oemcomputer> Hi Bala On the contrary, I think if we see things the way I describe, by saying it is for the Love of Nakamichi (cassette machines, not the Company!) that better describes our purpose. We cannot emulate the spirit of Nakamichi because there was no spirit except that of capitalistic intent, to make a product at a price that will offer a damned good return on the investment in making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. THAT was the spirit of Nakamichi the company. Why did Nakamichi stop making the 1000ZXL? Presumably, cost. They could make a cheaper, more "uptodate" machine almost as good and make a great deal more money selling it. And why did they stop making top class cassette machines (before ReVox or Tandberg stopped) ?? Because they could make more money by manufacturing something else. And why did they stop supporting Nakamichi cassette owners with spare? Because it became uncommercial to do so. In other words, while we may wax lyrical about these machines and love them to bits, lets not imagine Nakamichi made them in any spirit other than to make money. They were in it for the $$$s, nothing else. We may be in it with these machines for the Love of them but Nakamichi never was, and their current directors probably consider people like us as Luddites, as stupid for sticking with out-of-date technology. Even so, if they ever felt there could be a commercial market for these machines again, you bet they'd make them, just like (until recently) Tandberg still continued to make 3014 machines to special order (for around £3k a go !!!) But there again, Tandberg is hardly an example of modern commercial success ... Having said that, I agree that the 1000ZXL was a milestone, maybe even a pinnacle of excellence and certainly one of the finest examples of this technology (in its time - arguably, the Dragon is just as important) and, for the sake of historical record, at least one deserves to be preserved for on-going generations to see and study. If it works, and can be maintained to work, all the better. But what we are proposing is to modernise these old machines to keep them going, by substituting new technology for the original. That's not preservation. And we ought not kid ourselves that it is. It's like replacing an old Ford T engine with a Zetec because we can't make the parts for the old one any more. Thus, what we'll end up with is not a 1000ZXL but something that looks like one. I'm not saying that's wrong - in fact, it should be a lot of fun - but let us not delude ourselves into thinking we are preserving the machine or emulating some sentimental, illusory qualities of the Nakamichi company. Nakamichi may have improved the quality of OUR lives but that was never their intention! All they ever wanted to do was take our money, just like all the rest. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 18 January 2005 10:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > Hi Graham, > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands off > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I still > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > delibrately make their future decks better. Opinions, > views please.. > > Bala > --- Nelson wrote: > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > spirit of Nakamichi > > represented giving up on supporting this technology! > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to > > work > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into some > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include a > > badge > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > 'The > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > Thanks > > > Bala > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs on > > a > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the > > forum > > > > as I have sent > > > > >> gif's of > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > attachments > > > > and so far they have > > > > >> failed > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > > > >> > > > > >> Victor > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages for > > the > > > > NEC processor family > > > > >> and > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested to > > know > > > > how you get on, as > > > > >> I do > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out with > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > >> Anyone > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > > > profusely of course! > > > > >> > > > > >> Doug. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly and > > am > > > > happy to send to > > > > >> anyone else > > > > >> interested. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > > search. > > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 18 14:33:20 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <1106036248.41ecc6185fdd7@webmail.dds.nl> References: <41EC58E4.9090303@woods-and-waters.com> <1106036248.41ecc6185fdd7@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <41ED1020.3000808@snet.net> Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work like new with a little cleaning Ed bart honhoff wrote: >Hi, > >Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the motor of a Nak >600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? >I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. > >regards, > >bart honhoff > >Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" : > > > >>Hi Kevin, >> >>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in its playback or line >>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB connector. >>No crossover is involved. >> >>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power supply >>problem. >> >>Hope this helps! >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 18 15:32:27 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:32:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <20050116230640.49477.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050116210609.20855.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> <20050116230640.49477.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118093035.01c07a20@psulias.psu.edu> Being pretty much lost when it comes to circuit boards, I'm going to ask what may be a stupid question. :) Is it possible to replace a Dolby B or C chip with a Dolby S chip and have it function properly? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 16:08:44 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <007401c4fd58$3e3ab240$9fcf4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050118150844.58231.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, I think we better stick with your suggestions. I think we may have touched a few raw nerves already. But I am glad, some people do share my view of the 1000ZXL being an awesome machine, both technicality and sound wise. Thanks Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Bala > > On the contrary, I think if we see things the way I > describe, by saying it > is for the Love of Nakamichi (cassette machines, not > the Company!) that > better describes our purpose. We cannot emulate the > spirit of Nakamichi > because there was no spirit except that of > capitalistic intent, to make a > product at a price that will offer a damned good > return on the investment in > making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > THAT was the spirit of > Nakamichi the company. Why did Nakamichi stop > making the 1000ZXL? > Presumably, cost. They could make a cheaper, more > "uptodate" machine almost > as good and make a great deal more money selling it. > And why did they stop > making top class cassette machines (before ReVox or > Tandberg stopped) ?? > Because they could make more money by manufacturing > something else. And why > did they stop supporting Nakamichi cassette owners > with spare? Because it > became uncommercial to do so. In other words, > while we may wax lyrical > about these machines and love them to bits, lets not > imagine Nakamichi made > them in any spirit other than to make money. They > were in it for the $$$s, > nothing else. We may be in it with these machines > for the Love of them but > Nakamichi never was, and their current directors > probably consider people > like us as Luddites, as stupid for sticking with > out-of-date technology. > Even so, if they ever felt there could be a > commercial market for these > machines again, you bet they'd make them, just like > (until recently) > Tandberg still continued to make 3014 machines to > special order (for around > �3k a go !!!) But there again, Tandberg is hardly > an example of modern > commercial success ... > > Having said that, I agree that the 1000ZXL was a > milestone, maybe even a > pinnacle of excellence and certainly one of the > finest examples of this > technology (in its time - arguably, the Dragon is > just as important) and, > for the sake of historical record, at least one > deserves to be preserved for > on-going generations to see and study. If it works, > and can be maintained > to work, all the better. But what we are > proposing is to modernise these > old machines to keep them going, by substituting new > technology for the > original. That's not preservation. And we ought > not kid ourselves that it > is. It's like replacing an old Ford T engine with > a Zetec because we can't > make the parts for the old one any more. Thus, what > we'll end up with is > not a 1000ZXL but something that looks like one. > I'm not saying that's > wrong - in fact, it should be a lot of fun - but let > us not delude ourselves > into thinking we are preserving the machine or > emulating some sentimental, > illusory qualities of the Nakamichi company. > Nakamichi may have improved > the quality of OUR lives but that was never their > intention! All they ever > wanted to do was take our money, just like all the > rest. > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 18 January 2005 10:46 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, > in > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands > off > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I > still > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > > delibrately make their future decks better. > Opinions, > > views please.. > > > > Bala > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > represented giving up on supporting this > technology! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get > to > > > work > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > some > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include > a > > > badge > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > > 'The > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > on > > > a > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to > the > > > forum > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > attachments > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > >> failed > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text > is:- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Victor > > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > for > > > the > > > > > NEC processor family > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > to > > > know > > > > > how you get on, as > > > > > >> I do > > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > with > > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > > >> Anyone > > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be > thanked > > > > > profusely of course! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Doug. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > and > > > am > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 16:17:02 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118093035.01c07a20@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050118151702.79310.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks have standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation on meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: Being pretty much lost when it comes to circuit boards, I'm going to ask what may be a stupid question. :) Is it possible to replace a Dolby B or C chip with a Dolby S chip and have it function properly? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 16:26:30 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:26:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118150844.58231.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118152631.35270.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> The problem is that only those few owners of 1000 ZXL ( not all owners) think that it is the greatest machine.No doubt It is one of the milestone in Nakamichi history - 30 -35 years back pinnacle of cassette performance - but may not be true just 15 years back! I am not down grading 1000 ZXL but asking those who are willing to put in replacement processor - look beyond the perceived problem - 1000 ZXL may be just requiring just rewiring to solve its ills like many other naks that I have seen. But imagine there are equally impressive machines require just rubber belts and that may not be available in a year or two? Is it not better if somebody takes the burden of making available few important spares for a decade more - it will bring smile to many new comers who are buying up cheap selling ZX 7 or 582 or owners like us - who use such machines. Just my two cents - for the love of Nak. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Graham, I think we better stick with your suggestions. I think we may have touched a few raw nerves already. But I am glad, some people do share my view of the 1000ZXL being an awesome machine, both technicality and sound wise. Thanks Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Bala > > On the contrary, I think if we see things the way I > describe, by saying it > is for the Love of Nakamichi (cassette machines, not > the Company!) that > better describes our purpose. We cannot emulate the > spirit of Nakamichi > because there was no spirit except that of > capitalistic intent, to make a > product at a price that will offer a damned good > return on the investment in > making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > THAT was the spirit of > Nakamichi the company. Why did Nakamichi stop > making the 1000ZXL? > Presumably, cost. They could make a cheaper, more > "uptodate" machine almost > as good and make a great deal more money selling it. > And why did they stop > making top class cassette machines (before ReVox or > Tandberg stopped) ?? > Because they could make more money by manufacturing > something else. And why > did they stop supporting Nakamichi cassette owners > with spare? Because it > became uncommercial to do so. In other words, > while we may wax lyrical > about these machines and love them to bits, lets not > imagine Nakamichi made > them in any spirit other than to make money. They > were in it for the $$$s, > nothing else. We may be in it with these machines > for the Love of them but > Nakamichi never was, and their current directors > probably consider people > like us as Luddites, as stupid for sticking with > out-of-date technology. > Even so, if they ever felt there could be a > commercial market for these > machines again, you bet they'd make them, just like > (until recently) > Tandberg still continued to make 3014 machines to > special order (for around > �3k a go !!!) But there again, Tandberg is hardly > an example of modern > commercial success ... > > Having said that, I agree that the 1000ZXL was a > milestone, maybe even a > pinnacle of excellence and certainly one of the > finest examples of this > technology (in its time - arguably, the Dragon is > just as important) and, > for the sake of historical record, at least one > deserves to be preserved for > on-going generations to see and study. If it works, > and can be maintained > to work, all the better. But what we are > proposing is to modernise these > old machines to keep them going, by substituting new > technology for the > original. That's not preservation. And we ought > not kid ourselves that it > is. It's like replacing an old Ford T engine with > a Zetec because we can't > make the parts for the old one any more. Thus, what > we'll end up with is > not a 1000ZXL but something that looks like one. > I'm not saying that's > wrong - in fact, it should be a lot of fun - but let > us not delude ourselves > into thinking we are preserving the machine or > emulating some sentimental, > illusory qualities of the Nakamichi company. > Nakamichi may have improved > the quality of OUR lives but that was never their > intention! All they ever > wanted to do was take our money, just like all the > rest. > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 18 January 2005 10:46 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, > in > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands > off > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I > still > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > > delibrately make their future decks better. > Opinions, > > views please.. > > > > Bala > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > represented giving up on supporting this > technology! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get > to > > > work > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > some > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include > a > > > badge > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > > 'The > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > on > > > a > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to > the > > > forum > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > attachments > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > >> failed > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text > is:- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Victor > > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > for > > > the > > > > > NEC processor family > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > to > > > know > > > > > how you get on, as > > > > > >> I do > > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > with > > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > > >> Anyone > > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be > thanked > > > > > profusely of course! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Doug. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > and > > > am > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 17:21:57 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:21:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118122309.5830.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118162157.23392.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> In my FAQ I have a list of most of the heads that Nak uses. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html scroll down to "Nakamichi Heads" The 1000ZXL Limited heads are esentially the same as the 1000ZXL heads, but, are tested and only the best are selected for the Limited edition. Scroll down to "1000ZXL vs 1000ZXL Limited" for comments from Hideo Goto himself. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > 1000 ZXL and 582 share the same heads and just remove the bias trap > circuit ( only useful when you record and use the play circuit to > monitor) - you can get 50 Khz play response or atleast 40 Khz > response on a 582 ! Stephen with the bias trap had measured 36KHz > response on a 582 ! > All naks use the same heads infact - the secret of nak is the heads > and the dual capstan pressure pad less transport. > kannan > > PS my other post on Dragon parts > please correct Stephen' advice - he told the same that it may not > be the reason for Dragon issues. He advised to clean the bearing as > the lubricant would have dried inside - I had removed lot of black > frozen lubricant. > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > I am speaking with half facts here. But I was > told the heads on the 1000ZXL have a response of up to > 50kHz!! I think with a suitable upgrade package, it > could really be superior. It was produced at at a time > when embedded computing was at its infancy and it took > many components to get it to sound that way. The > Dragon and CR7 of course didnt end up this complex as > the engineers had better technology at their disposal. > However, to go beyond components and technology, comes > the engineers' ingenuity. The likes of Seymour Cray > (of Cray Supercomputers) to built circuits with > fantastic perfomrance out of reject transistors, and > Nakamichi engineers to produce decks with such suberb > specs with tape travelling so slow! I dont think this > amound of engineering and work would go like that. In > some respects, I view the 1000ZXL like the > Anglo-French Concorde. Very good, one of a kind, and > an impossible act to follow. > > Bala > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > I feel 1000ZXL deserves kudos but that does not mean > > it is their best. Nakamichi' best Deck is Dragon / > > CR 7 or ZX 9 . Auto calibration in CR 7 is the best > > compromise when you see the difference is only > > checking bias and level at 4 different frequencies > > versus 2 frequencies. When I tried calibrating many > > Naks my finding was that these two frequencies > > almost makes the record play response almost perfect > > because of the head and whole circuitry. One will > > get fantastic results in 582 or 680 or ZX 7/9. You > > will hear a subtle difference in playback due > > entirely due to circuit differences. Only difference > > in 1000 ZXL is special alignment in play and record > > circuit to get freq below 70 Hz to 20 Hz within 1 > > dB. ZX 9/ Dragon mechanism will beat 1000 ZXL > > mechanism easily in all the performance issues. > > Dragon will play back any tape better than 1000 ZXL > > due to auto azimuth - 1000 ZXL is legendary no doubt > > but not the greatest. > > Kannan > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Graham, > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands off > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I still > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > > delibrately make their future decks better. > > Opinions, > > views please.. > > > > Bala > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > represented giving up on supporting this > > technology! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get to > > > work > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > > some > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include a > > > badge > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > > 'The > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > > on > > > a > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to the > > > forum > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > attachments > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > >> failed > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text is:- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Victor > > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > > for > > > the > > > > > NEC processor family > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > > to > > > know > > > > > how you get on, as > > > > > >> I do > > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > > with > > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > > >> Anyone > > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be thanked > > > > > profusely of course! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Doug. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > > and > > > am > > > > > happy to send to > > > > > >> anyone else > > > > > >> interested. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 17:59:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:59:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118162157.23392.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050118165958.20169.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, My father and I just went thru some 1981 hi-fi literature which has a spread of these few decks made during the 79-81 period. When I told him that the 1000ZXL and the 680ZX (which is his favourite) spot essentially the same heads, his question was this: explain why the 680ZX (SGD 1500, when new) and a deck more then thrice the price would spot the same heads? Perhaps someone can explain. Visually the heads look similiar, but are they? Bala --- Scott Johnson wrote: > In my FAQ I have a list of most of the heads that > Nak uses. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > scroll down to "Nakamichi Heads" > > The 1000ZXL Limited heads are esentially the same as > the 1000ZXL > heads, but, are tested and only the best are > selected for the Limited > edition. Scroll down to "1000ZXL vs 1000ZXL > Limited" for comments > from Hideo Goto himself. > > SJ > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > 1000 ZXL and 582 share the same heads and just > remove the bias trap > > circuit ( only useful when you record and use the > play circuit to > > monitor) - you can get 50 Khz play response or > atleast 40 Khz > > response on a 582 ! Stephen with the bias trap had > measured 36KHz > > response on a 582 ! > > All naks use the same heads infact - the secret of > nak is the heads > > and the dual capstan pressure pad less transport. > > kannan > > > > PS my other post on Dragon parts > > please correct Stephen' advice - he told the same > that it may not > > be the reason for Dragon issues. He advised to > clean the bearing as > > the lubricant would have dried inside - I had > removed lot of black > > frozen lubricant. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > > > I am speaking with half facts here. But I was > > told the heads on the 1000ZXL have a response of > up to > > 50kHz!! I think with a suitable upgrade package, > it > > could really be superior. It was produced at at a > time > > when embedded computing was at its infancy and it > took > > many components to get it to sound that way. The > > Dragon and CR7 of course didnt end up this complex > as > > the engineers had better technology at their > disposal. > > However, to go beyond components and technology, > comes > > the engineers' ingenuity. The likes of Seymour > Cray > > (of Cray Supercomputers) to built circuits with > > fantastic perfomrance out of reject transistors, > and > > Nakamichi engineers to produce decks with such > suberb > > specs with tape travelling so slow! I dont think > this > > amound of engineering and work would go like that. > In > > some respects, I view the 1000ZXL like the > > Anglo-French Concorde. Very good, one of a kind, > and > > an impossible act to follow. > > > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > > wrote: > > > > > I feel 1000ZXL deserves kudos but that does not > mean > > > it is their best. Nakamichi' best Deck is Dragon > / > > > CR 7 or ZX 9 . Auto calibration in CR 7 is the > best > > > compromise when you see the difference is only > > > checking bias and level at 4 different > frequencies > > > versus 2 frequencies. When I tried calibrating > many > > > Naks my finding was that these two frequencies > > > almost makes the record play response almost > perfect > > > because of the head and whole circuitry. One > will > > > get fantastic results in 582 or 680 or ZX 7/9. > You > > > will hear a subtle difference in playback due > > > entirely due to circuit differences. Only > difference > > > in 1000 ZXL is special alignment in play and > record > > > circuit to get freq below 70 Hz to 20 Hz within > 1 > > > dB. ZX 9/ Dragon mechanism will beat 1000 ZXL > > > mechanism easily in all the performance issues. > > > Dragon will play back any tape better than 1000 > ZXL > > > due to auto azimuth - 1000 ZXL is legendary no > doubt > > > but not the greatest. > > > Kannan > > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, in > > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands > off > > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I > still > > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak > never > > > delibrately make their future decks better. > > > Opinions, > > > views please.. > > > > > > Bala > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > > represented giving up on supporting this > > > technology! > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to > get to > > > > work > > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this > into > > > some > > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should > include a > > > > badge > > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge > called > > > > 'The > > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those > gifs > > > on > > > > a > > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to > the > > > > forum > > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > > attachments > > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > > >> failed > > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text > is:- > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 18 19:16:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:16:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118165958.20169.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c4fd89$dc34a100$60d44c51@oemcomputer> I suppose there could be a combination of reasons for the price difference: 1 Other parts made it more expensive to manufacture, not least the volumes of units made would be lower; 2 Premium pricing. The unit was pitched as a luxury product, for the most affluent in society. That doesn't mean it has the same mark-up (profit margin) as lower priced products. A product that is going to sell in greater number may have a markup of, say, 30% or even less. A product that is premium priced may have a mark up of 300%. For example, take the Volkwagon Golf and the Volkswagon Beetle (new version.) They are essentially the same vehicle - that is, similar spec built on an identical platform. However, the Beetle is premium priced - i.e. higher priced - than a Golf. The SEAT Toledo is also built on the same platform and has a higher accessories spec' than the other two cars .... but it's significantly cheaper to buy! VW also make an equivalent Audi car, with a lower spec than the Golf and Beetle, let alone the Toledo, also built on the same platform, but charge a price even higher than for the Beetle. VW are able to fool people into believing the Golf and especially the Beetle and Audi cars are worth more than the Seat Toledo, and people believe them buying the cars. British Airways charges a premium for Business Class over their normal air fare but the Business Class section in the aircraft is defined by where a moveable curtain divides passengers from the front of the aircraft from those further back! So, for the extra privilege of a drink of champagne, or whatever, and the opportunity to get off the plane may be 15-30 seconds faster, they pay at least £100 for sitting in the same quality seats as everyone else. It is probable such kidology was also employed in the marketing of Nakamichi flagship products - after all, most companies use this technique and it would be most odd if Nakamichi didn't. Thence, what's in a product does not determine it's selling price - what determines that is how the marketing department position it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 18 January 2005 17:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > Hi Scott, > > My father and I just went thru some 1981 > hi-fi literature which has a spread of these few decks > made during the 79-81 period. When I told him that the > 1000ZXL and the 680ZX (which is his favourite) spot > essentially the same heads, his question was this: > explain why the 680ZX (SGD 1500, when new) and a deck > more then thrice the price would spot the same heads? > Perhaps someone can explain. Visually the heads look > similiar, but are they? > > Bala > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 18 19:28:31 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:28:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <20050118151702.79310.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118093035.01c07a20@psulias.psu.edu> <20050118151702.79310.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118132718.01c53dd8@psulias.psu.edu> Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did individual manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an effort would it take to do this switch? At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks have >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation on >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . >kannan From ti at amb.org Tue Jan 18 20:07:58 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118132718.01c53dd8@psulias.psu.edu> from "Derrick Beckner" at Jan 18, 2005 01:28:31 PM Message-ID: <20050118190758.9AF7B17DBB@smtp.amb.org> Derrick Beckner writes: > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did individual > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an > effort would it take to do this switch? > > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks have > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation on > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . > >kannan Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jan 18 20:18:15 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:18:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <20050118190758.9AF7B17DBB@smtp.amb.org> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118132718.01c53dd8@psulias.psu.edu> <20050118190758.9AF7B17DBB@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118141048.019fa218@psulias.psu.edu> Ok, let's come at this from another perspective. :) I have a Dolby S machine that is in my 2nd system. I'll be getting a Dragon into the main system here shortly. Would I be able to take the Dolby S chip out of the other deck and somehow get it to work with the Dragon, either externally in a loop or internally? Could a good electronics repair shop do this relatively cheaply? No idea if I will try this, or even want to try it, but it would be interesting to know if it could be done. At 02:07 PM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >Derrick Beckner writes: > > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did individual > > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an > > effort would it take to do this switch? > > > > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks > have > > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation on > > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily > > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . > > >kannan > >Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions Yes, you read that right! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 20:29:08 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <20050118190758.9AF7B17DBB@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20050118192908.71679.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Ti for coming in with the right answer - Dolby Chips ( many Dolby B chips themselves are not pin compatible to suse them as replacement ICs) with different manuafacturers or different numbers of the same manufacturer itself not replaceable. What I meant is configuring a circuit based on Dolby S chip with its datasheet - understanding its configuration on a Cassette Deck circuitry. Dolby chips needs certain Voltages for 400 Hz dolby reference level - at its input ( magnetic flux level on the record / play heads) . Since Nak had standardized this for their deck it is easy to place a Dolby S circuit ( not chip ) in Nak' schematic. kannan Ti Kan wrote: Derrick Beckner writes: > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did individual > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an > effort would it take to do this switch? > > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks have > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation on > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . > >kannan Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Jan 18 20:35:24 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:35:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118141048.019fa218@psulias.psu.edu> from "Derrick Beckner" at Jan 18, 2005 02:18:15 PM Message-ID: <20050118193524.23631D5A0@smtp.amb.org> I think Kannan has just answered your question in his post, but to paraphrase him, you can't just use the Dolby S chip. You have to build a circuit around it and adapt it for use in a Nak. No, I don't think an electronics repair shop could/would do this. This is not a repair or service issue. We're talking about design engineering now. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik Derrick Beckner writes: > Ok, let's come at this from another perspective. :) > I have a Dolby S machine that is in my 2nd system. I'll be getting a > Dragon into the main system here shortly. Would I be able to take the > Dolby S chip out of the other deck and somehow get it to work with the > Dragon, either externally in a loop or internally? Could a good > electronics repair shop do this relatively cheaply? > No idea if I will try this, or even want to try it, but it would be > interesting to know if it could be done. > > At 02:07 PM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > >Derrick Beckner writes: > > > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did individual > > > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an > > > effort would it take to do this switch? > > > > > > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > > > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks > > have > > > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation on > > > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily > > > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . > > > >kannan > > > >Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and > >what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S > >circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that > >you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing > >Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. > >Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). > > > >-Ti From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 21:06:13 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:06:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <000001c4fd89$dc34a100$60d44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050118200613.41283.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Graham for a nice explanation we cannot delude ourselves with Grand scheme from Nakamichi. Nakamichi was charging 3 to 8 times for a cassette deck when compared to their competitors -many do not feel the price of 3500 $ about 20 years to 30 years back is actually equivalent to somewhere around 10 to 15K + today while you can get a DVD recorder for 200 $. Nakamichi was an innovative manufacturer with commercial success because they were early in introducing large number of developments. Two head DR3 was selling for 600 $ not long ago when you could get an used 3 head for that price. Pricing is basically a marketing strategy not based on cost of playback head! kannan Nelson wrote: I suppose there could be a combination of reasons for the price difference: 1 Other parts made it more expensive to manufacture, not least the volumes of units made would be lower; 2 Premium pricing. The unit was pitched as a luxury product, for the most affluent in society. That doesn't mean it has the same mark-up (profit margin) as lower priced products. A product that is going to sell in greater number may have a markup of, say, 30% or even less. A product that is premium priced may have a mark up of 300%. For example, take the Volkwagon Golf and the Volkswagon Beetle (new version.) They are essentially the same vehicle - that is, similar spec built on an identical platform. However, the Beetle is premium priced - i.e. higher priced - than a Golf. The SEAT Toledo is also built on the same platform and has a higher accessories spec' than the other two cars .... but it's significantly cheaper to buy! VW also make an equivalent Audi car, with a lower spec than the Golf and Beetle, let alone the Toledo, also built on the same platform, but charge a price even higher than for the Beetle. VW are able to fool people into believing the Golf and especially the Beetle and Audi cars are worth more than the Seat Toledo, and people believe them buying the cars. British Airways charges a premium for Business Class over their normal air fare but the Business Class section in the aircraft is defined by where a moveable curtain divides passengers from the front of the aircraft from those further back! So, for the extra privilege of a drink of champagne, or whatever, and the opportunity to get off the plane may be 15-30 seconds faster, they pay at least �100 for sitting in the same quality seats as everyone else. It is probable such kidology was also employed in the marketing of Nakamichi flagship products - after all, most companies use this technique and it would be most odd if Nakamichi didn't. Thence, what's in a product does not determine it's selling price - what determines that is how the marketing department position it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 18 January 2005 17:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > Hi Scott, > > My father and I just went thru some 1981 > hi-fi literature which has a spread of these few decks > made during the 79-81 period. When I told him that the > 1000ZXL and the 680ZX (which is his favourite) spot > essentially the same heads, his question was this: > explain why the 680ZX (SGD 1500, when new) and a deck > more then thrice the price would spot the same heads? > Perhaps someone can explain. Visually the heads look > similiar, but are they? > > Bala > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Tue Jan 18 23:25:17 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:25:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment References: <001501c4de5f$a26fc5b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye><002401c4de62$dd62d6a0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> <01fa01c4fd42$18a8c8c0$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <003901c4fdac$96d32a00$c901a8c0@cn593434a> Johan, Thanks for the follow up. Yes, I have the manual, but lack the calibration tape. Enjoy the music, Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Berserik, J.E. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment Dear Dino, Has your problem already been solved? I just returned from France; I own a workshop manual of the (our) 582. If necessary I can copy some pages. Greetings Johan Berserik ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Bauer To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment To the Nak Treasure Chest, Does anyone have the 582 PB head alignment procedure handy for sharing? I am in need of resetting my 582 back to factory settings. 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URL: From bwana747 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 02:12:22 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:12:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: <20050118193524.23631D5A0@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: The Dolby website has technical documents available about Dolby S. There is an external Dolby B/C/S encoder-decoder available called the Model 422. Inputs and ouputs use XLR (3-pin microphone style) connectors so the unit is market towards professional (i.e. mixing console / external EQ based studio setup) use. The cost is also likely in line with professional equipment budgets. That an external unit is available suggests that may be possible to build one's own Dolby-S external unit though matching it affordably to RCA line levels may doable but not practical. I agree with those suggesting that adding Dolby-S to an existing non-professional unit enters the realm of studio circuit engineering instead of simply patching in an audiophile add-on accessory. Here's a Dolby link to try which may answer your questions and may be of technical interest to other Nakkers. http://www.dolby.com/resources/tech_library/index.cfm Use the drop-down arrow box to select: Dolby Type-S NR. That selection should take you to 3 PDF Acrobat documents of which two are about Dolby NR and one about the Model 422 unit. Bob From flifton at mac.com Wed Jan 19 03:27:28 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:27:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak spirit In-Reply-To: <200501181527.j0IFRBHZ007693@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501181527.j0IFRBHZ007693@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Oh, I don't know about that, Gra. People are motivated by all sorts of things other than capitalism, thank christ. Call me naive, but I like to think that there were engineers, designers, technicians at Nakamichi who were motivated by a love for music, for recording, for beautiful sound and beautiful objects. If that weren't the case, wouldn't Nakamichi be just another Panasonic? Fred, the old softy. On Jan 18, 2005, at 7:27 AM, Gra' wrote: > We cannot emulate the spirit of Nakamichi > because there was no spirit except that of capitalistic intent, to > make a > product at a price that will offer a damned good return on the > investment in > making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > From angelricano at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 03:47:54 2005 From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel W. Ricano) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:47:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] That's Suono Tapes for Naks Message-ID: Hello Nakers, Does anyone know where That's Suono Tapes rank against TDK MA-XG Green Shell, Sony Super Metal Master, and Maxell Metal Vertex. Thanks, Angel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 04:45:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:45:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 In-Reply-To: <20050118200613.41283.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050119034523.10890.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> I am glad Kannan, that you have some sort of explanation to satisfy you for not being in the scheme of things. Those who pitched in to do this project, for the admiration of the deck, and for the sound it produces, Thanks. And perhaps, as Graham suggested, 'For the Love of Nakamichi' was right. Wonder how come it irked someone up til this point. To my personaly opinion, I think it is a very good deck. My intention to have this thing done is primarily to give these marvels some chance to survive, especially when we have the technology to do it. It isnt a quick way to become Nakamichi Idol or to rebutt people. While economics would certainly have a hand it every product sold, be it Nakamichi or any one else, they cant simply expect to pull everyone into this kind of economic spins. I already said much much earlier, that parts like the processor would be costly to manufacture and would have driven the price up. I dont think Nakamichi would get away by pricing a deck so high, when in the few years, much cheaper decks could do much better. To have to produce this behemoths would have reasons, apart from economics, and parts. Effort of engineering and pride of ownerships come as part of the package in what we call a flagship product. Just sitting there, quietly, the 1000ZXL makes a statement. I consider myself to be lucky, in the collective efforts to help that statement regains its voice, just like so many of its brothers around the world who may be saved in similiar ways. Thank you Graham, but putting things in perspective, and thanks to you Kannan, for making me ever more focused in making a valuable contribution to Nakamichi. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Thanks Graham for a nice explanation > we cannot delude ourselves with Grand scheme from > Nakamichi. Nakamichi was charging 3 to 8 times for a > cassette deck when compared to their competitors > -many do not feel the price of 3500 $ about 20 years > to 30 years back is actually equivalent to somewhere > around 10 to 15K + today while you can get a DVD > recorder for 200 $. Nakamichi was an innovative > manufacturer with commercial success because they > were early in introducing large number of > developments. Two head DR3 was selling for 600 $ > not long ago when you could get an used 3 head for > that price. Pricing is basically a marketing > strategy not based on cost of playback head! > kannan > > Nelson wrote: > I suppose there could be a combination of reasons > for the price difference: > > 1 Other parts made it more expensive to manufacture, > not least the volumes > of units made would be lower; > > 2 Premium pricing. The unit was pitched as a luxury > product, for the most > affluent in society. That doesn't mean it has the > same mark-up (profit > margin) as lower priced products. A product that is > going to sell in > greater number may have a markup of, say, 30% or > even less. A product that > is premium priced may have a mark up of 300%. For > example, take the > Volkwagon Golf and the Volkswagon Beetle (new > version.) They are > essentially the same vehicle - that is, similar spec > built on an identical > platform. However, the Beetle is premium priced - > i.e. higher priced - than > a Golf. The SEAT Toledo is also built on the same > platform and has a > higher accessories spec' than the other two cars > .... but it's significantly > cheaper to buy! VW also make an equivalent Audi car, > with a lower spec than > the Golf and Beetle, let alone the Toledo, also > built on the same platform, > but charge a price even higher than for the Beetle. > VW are able to fool > people into believing the Golf and especially the > Beetle and Audi cars are > worth more than the Seat Toledo, and people believe > them buying the cars. > British Airways charges a premium for Business Class > over their normal air > fare but the Business Class section in the aircraft > is defined by where a > moveable curtain divides passengers from the front > of the aircraft from > those further back! So, for the extra privilege of a > drink of champagne, > or whatever, and the opportunity to get off the > plane may be 15-30 seconds > faster, they pay at least �100 for sitting in the > same quality seats as > everyone else. It is probable such kidology was also > employed in the > marketing of Nakamichi flagship products - after > all, most companies use > this technique and it would be most odd if Nakamichi > didn't. Thence, what's > in a product does not determine it's selling price - > what determines that is > how the marketing department position it. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 18 January 2005 17:00 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > My father and I just went thru some 1981 > > hi-fi literature which has a spread of these few > decks > > made during the 79-81 period. When I told him that > the > > 1000ZXL and the 680ZX (which is his favourite) > spot > > essentially the same heads, his question was this: > > explain why the 680ZX (SGD 1500, when new) and a > deck > > more then thrice the price would spot the same > heads? > > Perhaps someone can explain. Visually the heads > look > > similiar, but are they? > > > > Bala > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 05:05:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:05:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips Message-ID: Folks! WHO...need a "Dolby S" in a Nakamichi....don't be foolish!!!!! ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:29:08 -0800 (PST) > >Thanks Ti >for coming in with the right answer - Dolby Chips ( many Dolby B chips >themselves are not pin compatible to suse them as replacement ICs) with >different manuafacturers or different numbers of the same manufacturer >itself not replaceable. What I meant is configuring a circuit based on >Dolby S chip with its datasheet - understanding its configuration on a >Cassette Deck circuitry. Dolby chips needs certain Voltages for 400 Hz >dolby reference level - at its input ( magnetic flux level on the record / >play heads) . Since Nak had standardized this for their deck it is easy to >place a Dolby S circuit ( not chip ) in Nak' schematic. >kannan > >Ti Kan wrote: >Derrick Beckner writes: > > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did individual > > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an > > effort would it take to do this switch? > > > > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks >have > > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation >on > > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily > > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . > > >kannan > >Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 05:11:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:11:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips Message-ID: Sorry my dear Folks...I don't feel the imperative use of Dolby S in my Dragon...AS ALWAYS...I recorded with NO DOLBY AT ALL...Why...needs to make changes????? OK...I understand...IF any of you own another brand deck WITH Dolby S...so continue listening with the same deck...IF...& ONLY IF...you already recorded using Dolby S noise reduction! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) > >Derrick Beckner writes: > > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did >individual > > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an > > effort would it take to do this switch? > > > > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: > > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks >have > > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation >on > > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily > > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . > > >kannan > >Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 05:31:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:31:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 Message-ID: To all Folks! I agreed with Bala, once during the year 1985...I had the opportunity to hear side by side a 1000ZXL versus my current Dragon (During 1985 the previous Dragon's owner WANT to hear the differences "IF ANY!!!" among the most expensive Nak and his just received Dragon...bottom line...THE 1000ZXL WAS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER IN SOUND THAT THE DRAGON!!!PERIOD!!!!! Happens that after I acquired that 1000ZXL and for a week I was able to enjoyed...passing the week the ABLE refrain to work...so I changed for my present Philips 850 Mk-2 CD player, and last year I receive the Dragon as a gift...from my lovely passed away close "Audiophile" buddy! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Graham, > > I think we better stick with your >suggestions. I think we may have touched a few raw >nerves already. But I am glad, some people do share my >view of the 1000ZXL being an awesome machine, both >technicality and sound wise. Thanks > >Bala >--- Nelson wrote: > > > Hi Bala > > > > On the contrary, I think if we see things the way I > > describe, by saying it > > is for the Love of Nakamichi (cassette machines, not > > the Company!) that > > better describes our purpose. We cannot emulate the > > spirit of Nakamichi > > because there was no spirit except that of > > capitalistic intent, to make a > > product at a price that will offer a damned good > > return on the investment in > > making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > > THAT was the spirit of > > Nakamichi the company. Why did Nakamichi stop > > making the 1000ZXL? > > Presumably, cost. They could make a cheaper, more > > "uptodate" machine almost > > as good and make a great deal more money selling it. > > And why did they stop > > making top class cassette machines (before ReVox or > > Tandberg stopped) ?? > > Because they could make more money by manufacturing > > something else. And why > > did they stop supporting Nakamichi cassette owners > > with spare? Because it > > became uncommercial to do so. In other words, > > while we may wax lyrical > > about these machines and love them to bits, lets not > > imagine Nakamichi made > > them in any spirit other than to make money. They > > were in it for the $$$s, > > nothing else. We may be in it with these machines > > for the Love of them but > > Nakamichi never was, and their current directors > > probably consider people > > like us as Luddites, as stupid for sticking with > > out-of-date technology. > > Even so, if they ever felt there could be a > > commercial market for these > > machines again, you bet they'd make them, just like > > (until recently) > > Tandberg still continued to make 3014 machines to > > special order (for around > > �3k a go !!!) But there again, Tandberg is hardly > > an example of modern > > commercial success ... > > > > Having said that, I agree that the 1000ZXL was a > > milestone, maybe even a > > pinnacle of excellence and certainly one of the > > finest examples of this > > technology (in its time - arguably, the Dragon is > > just as important) and, > > for the sake of historical record, at least one > > deserves to be preserved for > > on-going generations to see and study. If it works, > > and can be maintained > > to work, all the better. But what we are > > proposing is to modernise these > > old machines to keep them going, by substituting new > > technology for the > > original. That's not preservation. And we ought > > not kid ourselves that it > > is. It's like replacing an old Ford T engine with > > a Zetec because we can't > > make the parts for the old one any more. Thus, what > > we'll end up with is > > not a 1000ZXL but something that looks like one. > > I'm not saying that's > > wrong - in fact, it should be a lot of fun - but let > > us not delude ourselves > > into thinking we are preserving the machine or > > emulating some sentimental, > > illusory qualities of the Nakamichi company. > > Nakamichi may have improved > > the quality of OUR lives but that was never their > > intention! All they ever > > wanted to do was take our money, just like all the > > rest. > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 10:46 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, > > in > > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands > > off > > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I > > still > > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > > > delibrately make their future decks better. > > Opinions, > > > views please.. > > > > > > Bala > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > > represented giving up on supporting this > > technology! > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get > > to > > > > work > > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > > some > > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include > > a > > > > badge > > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > > > 'The > > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > > on > > > > a > > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to > > the > > > > forum > > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > > attachments > > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > > >> failed > > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text > > is:- > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Victor > > > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > > for > > > > the > > > > > > NEC processor family > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > > to > > > > know > > > > > > how you get on, as > > > > > > >> I do > > > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > > with > > > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > > > >> Anyone > > > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be > > thanked > > > > > > profusely of course! > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Doug. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > > and > > > > am > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jan 19 05:50:32 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:50:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 Message-ID: <20050119045032.JXUS16610.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Alex, Are you saying that the Dragon you own now (or one of several -- haha) is one that you received from a friend that passed away? How sad and I guess it has special meaning more than just the sound. > > From: "Alex Cozac" > Date: 2005/01/18 Tue PM 11:31:57 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > To all Folks! > > I agreed with Bala, once during the year 1985...I had the opportunity to > hear side by side a 1000ZXL versus my current Dragon (During 1985 the > previous Dragon's owner WANT to hear the differences "IF ANY!!!" among the > most expensive Nak and his just received Dragon...bottom line...THE 1000ZXL > WAS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER IN SOUND THAT THE DRAGON!!!PERIOD!!!!! > > Happens that after I acquired that 1000ZXL and for a week I was able to > enjoyed...passing the week the ABLE refrain to work...so I changed for my > present Philips 850 Mk-2 CD player, and last year I receive the Dragon as a > gift...from my lovely passed away close "Audiophile" buddy! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Graham, > > > > I think we better stick with your > >suggestions. I think we may have touched a few raw > >nerves already. But I am glad, some people do share my > >view of the 1000ZXL being an awesome machine, both > >technicality and sound wise. Thanks > > > >Bala > >--- Nelson wrote: > > > > > Hi Bala > > > > > > On the contrary, I think if we see things the way I > > > describe, by saying it > > > is for the Love of Nakamichi (cassette machines, not > > > the Company!) that > > > better describes our purpose. We cannot emulate the > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > because there was no spirit except that of > > > capitalistic intent, to make a > > > product at a price that will offer a damned good > > > return on the investment in > > > making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > > > THAT was the spirit of > > > Nakamichi the company. Why did Nakamichi stop > > > making the 1000ZXL? > > > Presumably, cost. They could make a cheaper, more > > > "uptodate" machine almost > > > as good and make a great deal more money selling it. > > > And why did they stop > > > making top class cassette machines (before ReVox or > > > Tandberg stopped) ?? > > > Because they could make more money by manufacturing > > > something else. And why > > > did they stop supporting Nakamichi cassette owners > > > with spare? Because it > > > became uncommercial to do so. In other words, > > > while we may wax lyrical > > > about these machines and love them to bits, lets not > > > imagine Nakamichi made > > > them in any spirit other than to make money. They > > > were in it for the $$$s, > > > nothing else. We may be in it with these machines > > > for the Love of them but > > > Nakamichi never was, and their current directors > > > probably consider people > > > like us as Luddites, as stupid for sticking with > > > out-of-date technology. > > > Even so, if they ever felt there could be a > > > commercial market for these > > > machines again, you bet they'd make them, just like > > > (until recently) > > > Tandberg still continued to make 3014 machines to > > > special order (for around > > > £3k a go !!!) But there again, Tandberg is hardly > > > an example of modern > > > commercial success ... > > > > > > Having said that, I agree that the 1000ZXL was a > > > milestone, maybe even a > > > pinnacle of excellence and certainly one of the > > > finest examples of this > > > technology (in its time - arguably, the Dragon is > > > just as important) and, > > > for the sake of historical record, at least one > > > deserves to be preserved for > > > on-going generations to see and study. If it works, > > > and can be maintained > > > to work, all the better. But what we are > > > proposing is to modernise these > > > old machines to keep them going, by substituting new > > > technology for the > > > original. That's not preservation. And we ought > > > not kid ourselves that it > > > is. It's like replacing an old Ford T engine with > > > a Zetec because we can't > > > make the parts for the old one any more. Thus, what > > > we'll end up with is > > > not a 1000ZXL but something that looks like one. > > > I'm not saying that's > > > wrong - in fact, it should be a lot of fun - but let > > > us not delude ourselves > > > into thinking we are preserving the machine or > > > emulating some sentimental, > > > illusory qualities of the Nakamichi company. > > > Nakamichi may have improved > > > the quality of OUR lives but that was never their > > > intention! All they ever > > > wanted to do was take our money, just like all the > > > rest. > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 10:46 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, > > > in > > > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands > > > off > > > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I > > > still > > > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > > > > delibrately make their future decks better. > > > Opinions, > > > > views please.. > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > > > represented giving up on supporting this > > > technology! > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get > > > to > > > > > work > > > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > > > some > > > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include > > > a > > > > > badge > > > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > > > > 'The > > > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > > > on > > > > > a > > > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to > > > the > > > > > forum > > > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > > > >> failed > > > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text > > > is:- > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Victor > > > > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > NEC processor family > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > > > to > > > > > know > > > > > > > how you get on, as > > > > > > > >> I do > > > > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > > > with > > > > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > > > > >> Anyone > > > > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be > > > thanked > > > > > > > profusely of course! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Doug. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > > > and > > > > > am > > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > >http://my.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 06:54:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:54:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LXZ0001 Message-ID: YES...my lovely Buddy! Today I still owning my first 1000 series top of the line (at that year...!) Tri-Tracer one, which is waiting to our lovely member of the Nak forum Bala, to joint his collection...! Happens maybe NOT; with other gentlemen's that I received my Dragon completely free of any payment, Really I'm very lucky to had superb and closed friends!!!!!! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:50:32 -0500 > >Alex, > >Are you saying that the Dragon you own now >(or one of several -- haha) is one that you received from a friend that >passed away? > >How sad and I guess it has special meaning more than just the sound. > > > > > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > Date: 2005/01/18 Tue PM 11:31:57 EST > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > To all Folks! > > > > I agreed with Bala, once during the year 1985...I had the opportunity to > > hear side by side a 1000ZXL versus my current Dragon (During 1985 the > > previous Dragon's owner WANT to hear the differences "IF ANY!!!" among >the > > most expensive Nak and his just received Dragon...bottom line...THE >1000ZXL > > WAS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER IN SOUND THAT THE DRAGON!!!PERIOD!!!!! > > > > Happens that after I acquired that 1000ZXL and for a week I was able to > > enjoyed...passing the week the ABLE refrain to work...so I changed for >my > > present Philips 850 Mk-2 CD player, and last year I receive the Dragon >as a > > gift...from my lovely passed away close "Audiophile" buddy! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Graham, > > > > > > I think we better stick with your > > >suggestions. I think we may have touched a few raw > > >nerves already. But I am glad, some people do share my > > >view of the 1000ZXL being an awesome machine, both > > >technicality and sound wise. Thanks > > > > > >Bala > > >--- Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Bala > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I think if we see things the way I > > > > describe, by saying it > > > > is for the Love of Nakamichi (cassette machines, not > > > > the Company!) that > > > > better describes our purpose. We cannot emulate the > > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > > because there was no spirit except that of > > > > capitalistic intent, to make a > > > > product at a price that will offer a damned good > > > > return on the investment in > > > > making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > > > > THAT was the spirit of > > > > Nakamichi the company. Why did Nakamichi stop > > > > making the 1000ZXL? > > > > Presumably, cost. They could make a cheaper, more > > > > "uptodate" machine almost > > > > as good and make a great deal more money selling it. > > > > And why did they stop > > > > making top class cassette machines (before ReVox or > > > > Tandberg stopped) ?? > > > > Because they could make more money by manufacturing > > > > something else. And why > > > > did they stop supporting Nakamichi cassette owners > > > > with spare? Because it > > > > became uncommercial to do so. In other words, > > > > while we may wax lyrical > > > > about these machines and love them to bits, lets not > > > > imagine Nakamichi made > > > > them in any spirit other than to make money. They > > > > were in it for the $$$s, > > > > nothing else. We may be in it with these machines > > > > for the Love of them but > > > > Nakamichi never was, and their current directors > > > > probably consider people > > > > like us as Luddites, as stupid for sticking with > > > > out-of-date technology. > > > > Even so, if they ever felt there could be a > > > > commercial market for these > > > > machines again, you bet they'd make them, just like > > > > (until recently) > > > > Tandberg still continued to make 3014 machines to > > > > special order (for around > > > > �3k a go !!!) But there again, Tandberg is hardly > > > > an example of modern > > > > commercial success ... > > > > > > > > Having said that, I agree that the 1000ZXL was a > > > > milestone, maybe even a > > > > pinnacle of excellence and certainly one of the > > > > finest examples of this > > > > technology (in its time - arguably, the Dragon is > > > > just as important) and, > > > > for the sake of historical record, at least one > > > > deserves to be preserved for > > > > on-going generations to see and study. If it works, > > > > and can be maintained > > > > to work, all the better. But what we are > > > > proposing is to modernise these > > > > old machines to keep them going, by substituting new > > > > technology for the > > > > original. That's not preservation. And we ought > > > > not kid ourselves that it > > > > is. It's like replacing an old Ford T engine with > > > > a Zetec because we can't > > > > make the parts for the old one any more. Thus, what > > > > we'll end up with is > > > > not a 1000ZXL but something that looks like one. > > > > I'm not saying that's > > > > wrong - in fact, it should be a lot of fun - but let > > > > us not delude ourselves > > > > into thinking we are preserving the machine or > > > > emulating some sentimental, > > > > illusory qualities of the Nakamichi company. > > > > Nakamichi may have improved > > > > the quality of OUR lives but that was never their > > > > intention! All they ever > > > > wanted to do was take our money, just like all the > > > > rest. > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 10:46 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > > > > > If we see things that way, wouldnt it be, > > > > in > > > > > a way, indentifying those who washed their hands > > > > off > > > > > this deck and proclaimed others as the best? I > > > > still > > > > > think this is the top deck made, perhaps Nak never > > > > > delibrately make their future decks better. > > > > Opinions, > > > > > views please.. > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'd suggest "For Love of Nakamichi", since the > > > > > > spirit of Nakamichi > > > > > > represented giving up on supporting this > > > > technology! > > > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 04:20 > > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LXZ0001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, this is really very helpful. Helps to get > > > > to > > > > > > work > > > > > > > right away. I think if we ever make this into > > > > some > > > > > > > kind of non-profit product, we should include > > > > a > > > > > > badge > > > > > > > to be stuck on the front panel. A badge called > > > > > > 'The > > > > > > > Spirit of Nakamichi' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Done already: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-1.gif > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-2.gif > > > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/nec/nec-com40-3.gif > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone out there can put those gifs > > > > on > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > website ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there a block on sending graphics to > > > > the > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > as I have sent > > > > > > > > >> gif's of > > > > > > > > >> some data for the NEC processor as > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > and so far they have > > > > > > > > >> failed > > > > > > > > >> to appear. A copy of the original text > > > > is:- > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Victor > > > > > > > > >> Have attached the relevant scanned pages > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > NEC processor family > > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > >> hope they help. I will be very interested > > > > to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > how you get on, as > > > > > > > > >> I do > > > > > > > > >> not possess a 1000ZXL I cannot help out > > > > with > > > > > > > > mapping the functions. > > > > > > > > >> Anyone > > > > > > > > >> willing to donate one to me will be > > > > thanked > > > > > > > > profusely of course! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Doug. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I will send the gif's to Victor directly > > > > and > > > > > > am > > > > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! > > >http://my.yahoo.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 19 07:36:20 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:36:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] That's Suono Tapes for Naks Message-ID: Hi Angel, That's Metal Suono is a top ranking metal, with top league price and pitched squarely at the tapes you mention. They measure well: Max Bass/Mid level: +4.6dB Max treble Level +0.2dB Dynamic Range 62.5dB Dynamic sounding (profiting from a very low noise floor, lower than any other supermetal); doesn't have quite the overload characteristics of the other three supermetals, but is the best without dolby. Pin sharp, thoroughbred sound; unusual looking and effective mechanism. They retaialed in the UK for UK Pounds 9.00 in 1993. If you get a deal on them, don't tarry. Buy them. They are also very rare. Cheers, Marc >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 01/19/05 04:47AM >>> Hello Nakers, Does anyone know where That's Suono Tapes rank against TDK MA-XG Green Shell, Sony Super Metal Master, and Maxell Metal Vertex. Thanks, Angel The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 19 06:43:49 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:43:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers Message-ID: <41EDF395.9010507@woods-and-waters.com> Fellow Nakkers: Just my 2-cents/pence/rupees worth on the subject of noise reductions and Nakamichis. Dolby A: Ray Dolby’s first technically successful system in 1966 was the Dolby Type A. Its detractors feel it was already outdated by 1970, but I’d disagree. I loved my Dolby A model M-8 and M-16. It provides 10db noise reduction across the audio spectrum, which is split into four bands. Each band is compressed during encode, yet only the quieter portions are expanded on decode, with the range of expansion controlled by a modulated high-frequency pilot-tone recorded onto the tape. Dolby A is very resilient to errors and forgiving of all but the worst quality tapes. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is easy and using Dolby A will actually force you to keep your deck well-calibrated without you even being aware of it. Lovely! By the way, you cannot buy a Dolby NR chip unless you are a Dolby licensee, even in single-quantity! Forget any Dolby do-it-yourself projects! Dolby B: A simplified version of type A noise reduction targeted towards consumer recording equipment. It uses a single band and sliding filter technique to make it operate down to 1KHz, providig 10 dB of noise reduction only above 1KHz. Nakamichi made the best of the best Dolby B implementations, because of the excellent user-twekability afforded by their built-in test tone and user adjustments. The Revox A77 Dolby reel-to-reel was a close second. Teac made an awful stand alone Dolby B, but Advent made an outstanding one. If you can find an Advent Dolby B, then grab it! Dolby C: Improves Dolby B by adding a second band and improving the filters, providing 20 dB of noise reduction above 1KHz. I’ve not used any Nakamichis with Dolby C; the best I’ve used are the Revox B710 and B215 cassette decks. Dolby S: A multiband budget version of the Dolby system intended for the consumer market provides 24 db noise reduction above 1kHz and 10dB below 1KHz. Dolby S is so poorly compatible with any recorder other than the one that made the original recording that I’d avoid it like a plague! Blecch! Want to make your own Dolby S? Scavenge one out of an extant but otherwise dead deck. Think "Analog Audio Meets Scrapheap Challenge." Dolby HX Pro: Purports to be a “headroom expansion” system that supposedly also helps the deck record high frequency sounds without distortion, when used with a NR system, by controlling how high frequencies are recorded onto the tape. Supposedly this enables the noise reduction to work with fewer tracking errors and slightly less tape saturation effects. Actually, to my ears, it adds a strange edge to high-pitched sounds in too many instances, and often causes a subtle asthmatic-like wheezing noise floor character when it is used. Bang & Olufsen made the only one that actually worked as claimed and that truly sounded great. The Harmon-Kardon Dolby HX made my skin crawl. I’ve been told that B&O invented the HX, not Dolby. Maybe that’s why theirs sounded so good. JVC ANRS and SuperANRS: Were attempts to get around Dolby licensing. Dull-sounding. Awful. dbx Type I: A 2:1:2 compander using a proprietary VCA that made this symetrical compression-expansion system practical for the first time. dbx is more susceptible to errors from tape dropouts (causing expansion errors) and decode tracking errors, resulting in phase shift; and calibration errors, resulting in audible pumping effects. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is nightmarish with dbx Type I! Despite this, its use of broadband compression increases dynamic range, reduces tape saturation effects and cancels most odd-order distortion products. I’ve heard truly nasty Type I-encoded tapes that were recorded on badly-aligned recorders running at 7.5 ips. So, dbx Type I works best only with 15 ips or 30 ips recorders. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. dbx Type II: A simplified version intended for cassette recorders, 8-track recorders, broadcast carts and narrow-track multitracks like the Tascam 38. It imposes a greater pre-emphasis on the detection circuit and uses an RMS detection system to improve immunity to tracking errors. The theoretical dynamic range expansion gained by dbx Type II is the same as Type I. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is quite nightmarish with dbx Type II! The dbx Corporation recently discontinued all its Type II units. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. Did Nakamichi use dbx Type II at one time? dbx type III: A low cost system integrated into analog processors like the dbx Series 20 graphic Equalizers, a must-avoid product. It claims to add 20db headroom to signal processors. Boring. Why not just design processors with adequate headroom to begin with? That's what I do! dbx type IV: A specialized limiter/compander that functions as a part of a professional A/D/A stage to expand the convertors’ available headroom while maintaining the integrity of the original signal by working only on the top 4dB of the dynamic range. It reduces clipping the converters, reducing the rate of "overs" in the recording. Careful level setting does the same thing. dbx 929: A variant of the tried-and-true dynamic noise filter (see below). dbx LP Noise Reduction system: A noise reduction and dynamic expansion system for records, basically similar to dbx Type II. the Lp had to be decoded with a separate box hooked up to your hi-fi. It never really got off the ground because it had no effect on surface noise, pops and tick. Also, its cheap VCA introduced unpleasant artifacts that irritated many audiophiles. Finally, the choice of repertoire released onto dbx-encoded discs was meager, often mastered from noisy master tapes, defeating any advantage it may have given you. Stupid! Columbia CX LP Noise Reduction system: Also a noise reduction and dynamic expansion system for records that purported that you could enjoy the LP with or without the decoder; in other words, it didn’t need to be decoded to be listenable. In truth, it was horrible! If you never heard a CX-encoded disc, count your blessings! Imagine over-compressed, shrill-sounding, noisy LPs and you’ve got a taste of this wretched and mercifully short lived system. Telefunken HighCom: Developed by Telefunken in the 70's. I’ve never had any experience with these and thus cannot comment. MXR 119: a simple compander made in the 1970s as a “me-too” of the dbx Type II. I had one briefly and it was wretched. Mistracking was rife and it had a muffled sound overall. AVOID THESE! AEC C39 dynamic processor: included a worthless noise reduction. Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits psychoacoustic masking. Doesn’t require prior encoding so it will work not only on tape but on almost any signal source. At the input stage the audio signal passes through a level detector then splits into two paths: Path 1 undergoes a 180-degree phase shift while Path 2 is put through a high pass filter with a cutoff frequency of around 4kHz that is controlled by the level sensor. When the signal level is high the filter cuts the high, but with quieter signals it opens up to let the signal through. The two signal paths combine in an adder. The out-of-phase content determines what remains of signal path 2 cancels out some noise from signal path 1, giving an effective noise reduction of 10 to 12 db. National Semiconductor makes a very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. Philips never patented the process, so it can be found made by many companies and in several variations. Behringer makes a good version of the Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. is an adequate Dynamic Noise Limiter tailored for music instrument uses. Past excellent versions included the Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise Limiters made by HH Scott, Fisher, Grommes, and SAE. SAE Autocorrelator: Basically a downward expander/noise gate, this expensive 1970s device gave only 3 dB noise reduction! Why bother? Apparently, no one did -- it wasn't on the market for long. Buy a good Nakamichi instead! Or give it as a joke gift to an audio buddy. Un-groovy. THATCorp: Makes several excellent VCA chips that will let a good designer or DIY’er create their own compander noise reductions. Possibly a Dolby clone could be made with these. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 08:26:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:26:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers Message-ID: Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits psychoacoustic masking. Doesn't�t require prior encoding so it will work not only on tape but on almost any signal source. At the input stage the audio signal passes through a level detector then splits into two paths: Path 1 undergoes a 180-degree phase shift while Path 2 is put through a high pass filter with a cutoff frequency of around 4kHz that is controlled by the level sensor. When the signal level is high the filter cuts the high, but with quieter signals it opens up to let the signal through. The two signal paths combine in an adder. The out-of-phase content determines what remains of signal path 2 cancels out some noise from signal path 1, giving an effective noise reduction of 10 to 12 db. National Semiconductor makes a very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. Philips never patented the process, so it can be found made by many companies and in several variations. Behringer makes a good version of the Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. is an adequate Dynamic Noise Limiter tailored for music instrument uses. Past excellent versions included the Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise Limiters made by HH Scott, Fisher, Grommes, and SAE. Dear folks! The top of the line Tri-Tracer 1000 & 1000 Mk-2 use this "Plyaback Only; " DNL" named from Philips...after those two only machines from Nakamichi, ...was completly discontinued by Nakamichi on later models at all! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:43:49 -0500 > >Fellow Nakkers: > >Just my 2-cents/pence/rupees worth on the subject of noise reductions and >Nakamichis. > >Dolby A: Ray Dolby�s first technically successful system in 1966 was the >Dolby Type A. Its detractors feel it was already outdated by 1970, but I�d >disagree. I loved my Dolby A model M-8 and M-16. It provides 10db noise >reduction across the audio spectrum, which is split into four bands. Each >band is compressed during encode, yet only the quieter portions are >expanded on decode, with the range of expansion controlled by a modulated >high-frequency pilot-tone recorded onto the tape. Dolby A is very resilient >to errors and forgiving of all but the worst quality tapes. Maintaining >consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is easy and using >Dolby A will actually force you to keep your deck well-calibrated without >you even being aware of it. Lovely! > >By the way, you cannot buy a Dolby NR chip unless you are a Dolby licensee, >even in single-quantity! Forget any Dolby do-it-yourself projects! > >Dolby B: A simplified version of type A noise reduction targeted towards >consumer recording equipment. It uses a single band and sliding filter >technique to make it operate down to 1KHz, providig 10 dB of noise >reduction only above 1KHz. Nakamichi made the best of the best Dolby B >implementations, because of the excellent user-twekability afforded by >their built-in test tone and user adjustments. The Revox A77 Dolby >reel-to-reel was a close second. Teac made an awful stand alone Dolby B, >but Advent made an outstanding one. If you can find an Advent Dolby B, then >grab it! > >Dolby C: Improves Dolby B by adding a second band and improving the >filters, providing 20 dB of noise reduction above 1KHz. I�ve not used any >Nakamichis with Dolby C; the best I�ve used are the Revox B710 and B215 >cassette decks. > >Dolby S: A multiband budget version of the Dolby system intended for the >consumer market provides 24 db noise reduction above 1kHz and 10dB below >1KHz. Dolby S is so poorly compatible with any recorder other than the one >that made the original recording that I�d avoid it like a plague! Blecch! >Want to make your own Dolby S? Scavenge one out of an extant but otherwise >dead deck. Think "Analog Audio Meets Scrapheap Challenge." > >Dolby HX Pro: Purports to be a �headroom expansion� system that supposedly >also helps the deck record high frequency sounds without distortion, when >used with a NR system, by controlling how high frequencies are recorded >onto the tape. Supposedly this enables the noise reduction to work with >fewer tracking errors and slightly less tape saturation effects. Actually, >to my ears, it adds a strange edge to high-pitched sounds in too many >instances, and often causes a subtle asthmatic-like wheezing noise floor >character when it is used. Bang & Olufsen made the only one that actually >worked as claimed and that truly sounded great. The Harmon-Kardon Dolby HX >made my skin crawl. I�ve been told that B&O invented the HX, not Dolby. >Maybe that�s why theirs sounded so good. > >JVC ANRS and SuperANRS: Were attempts to get around Dolby licensing. >Dull-sounding. Awful. > >dbx Type I: A 2:1:2 compander using a proprietary VCA that made this >symetrical compression-expansion system practical for the first time. dbx >is more susceptible to errors from tape dropouts (causing expansion errors) >and decode tracking errors, resulting in phase shift; and calibration >errors, resulting in audible pumping effects. Maintaining consistent >track-to-track and session-to-session levels is nightmarish with dbx Type >I! Despite this, its use of broadband compression increases dynamic range, >reduces tape saturation effects and cancels most odd-order distortion >products. I�ve heard truly nasty Type I-encoded tapes that were recorded on >badly-aligned recorders running at 7.5 ips. So, dbx Type I works best only >with 15 ips or 30 ips recorders. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI >data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. > >dbx Type II: A simplified version intended for cassette recorders, 8-track >recorders, broadcast carts and narrow-track multitracks like the Tascam 38. >It imposes a greater pre-emphasis on the detection circuit and uses an RMS >detection system to improve immunity to tracking errors. The theoretical >dynamic range expansion gained by dbx Type II is the same as Type I. >Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is >quite nightmarish with dbx Type II! The dbx Corporation recently >discontinued all its Type II units. Never use dbx to record time codes, >MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. Did Nakamichi use >dbx Type II at one time? > >dbx type III: A low cost system integrated into analog processors like the >dbx Series 20 graphic Equalizers, a must-avoid product. It claims to add >20db headroom to signal processors. Boring. Why not just design processors >with adequate headroom to begin with? That's what I do! > >dbx type IV: A specialized limiter/compander that functions as a part of a >professional A/D/A stage to expand the convertors� available headroom while >maintaining the integrity of the original signal by working only on the top >4dB of the dynamic range. It reduces clipping the converters, reducing the >rate of "overs" in the recording. Careful level setting does the same >thing. > >dbx 929: A variant of the tried-and-true dynamic noise filter (see below). > >dbx LP Noise Reduction system: A noise reduction and dynamic expansion >system for records, basically similar to dbx Type II. the Lp had to be >decoded with a separate box hooked up to your hi-fi. It never really got >off the ground because it had no effect on surface noise, pops and tick. >Also, its cheap VCA introduced unpleasant artifacts that irritated many >audiophiles. Finally, the choice of repertoire released onto dbx-encoded >discs was meager, often mastered from noisy master tapes, defeating any >advantage it may have given you. Stupid! > >Columbia CX LP Noise Reduction system: Also a noise reduction and dynamic >expansion system for records that purported that you could enjoy the LP >with or without the decoder; in other words, it didn�t need to be decoded >to be listenable. In truth, it was horrible! If you never heard a >CX-encoded disc, count your blessings! Imagine over-compressed, >shrill-sounding, noisy LPs and you�ve got a taste of this wretched and >mercifully short lived system. > >Telefunken HighCom: Developed by Telefunken in the 70's. I�ve never had any >experience with these and thus cannot comment. > >MXR 119: a simple compander made in the 1970s as a �me-too� of the dbx Type >II. I had one briefly and it was wretched. Mistracking was rife and it had >a muffled sound overall. AVOID THESE! > >AEC C39 dynamic processor: included a worthless noise reduction. > >Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits >psychoacoustic masking. Doesn�t require prior encoding so it will work not >only on tape but on almost any signal source. At the input stage the audio >signal passes through a level detector then splits into two paths: Path 1 >undergoes a 180-degree phase shift while Path 2 is put through a high pass >filter with a cutoff frequency of around 4kHz that is controlled by the >level sensor. When the signal level is high the filter cuts the high, but >with quieter signals it opens up to let the signal through. The two signal >paths combine in an adder. The out-of-phase content determines what remains >of signal path 2 cancels out some noise from signal path 1, giving an >effective noise reduction of 10 to 12 db. National Semiconductor makes a >very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. Philips never patented the process, >so it can be found made by many companies and in several variations. >Behringer makes a good version of the Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. >is an adequate Dynamic Noise Limiter tailored for music instrument uses. >Past excellent versions included the Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise >Limiters made by HH Scott, Fisher, Grommes, and SAE. > >SAE Autocorrelator: Basically a downward expander/noise gate, this >expensive 1970s device gave only 3 dB noise reduction! Why bother? >Apparently, no one did -- it wasn't on the market for long. Buy a good >Nakamichi instead! Or give it as a joke gift to an audio buddy. Un-groovy. > >THATCorp: Makes several excellent VCA chips that will let a good designer >or DIY�er create their own compander noise reductions. Possibly a Dolby >clone could be made with these. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kevinhuckle at hotmail.com Tue Jan 18 15:38:03 2005 From: kevinhuckle at hotmail.com (Kevin Huckle) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:38:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <1106036248.41ecc6185fdd7@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: Not sure about that, I took the 700 apart, cleaned all the connectors onto the PCB's and it works fine!! Kevin >From: bart honhoff <bhonhoff at dds.nl> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:28 +0100 > >Hi, > >Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the motor of a Nak >600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? >I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. > >regards, > >bart honhoff > >Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in its playback or line > > output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB connector. > > No crossover is involved. > > > > The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power supply > > problem. > > > > Hope this helps! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kevinhuckle at hotmail.com Tue Jan 18 15:39:08 2005 From: kevinhuckle at hotmail.com (Kevin Huckle) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:39:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <41ED1020.3000808@snet.net> Message-ID: Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the PCB's and its running fine now!! Thank you, Kevin >From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > >Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts >deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work like >new with a little cleaning > >Ed > >bart honhoff wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the motor >>of a Nak >>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? >>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. >> >>regards, >> >>bart honhoff >> >>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>: >> >> >> >>>Hi Kevin, >>> >>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in its playback or >>>line >>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB >>>connector. >>>No crossover is involved. >>> >>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power >>>supply >>>problem. >>> >>>Hope this helps! >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 19 10:31:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:31:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak spirit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c4fe09$b85426e0$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Oh yes - I agree that people are motivated by all sorts of things. However, I suggest that most companies - especially, but not exclusively, those answerable to institutional shareholders - are only motivated by $$, and especially share price. It seems the days of philanthropic employers has gone. - sadly. And in this respect, I'd stand Nakamichi along side Panasonic. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 19 January 2005 02:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > Oh, I don't know about that, Gra. People are motivated by all sorts of > things other than capitalism, thank christ. Call me naive, but I like > to think that there were engineers, designers, technicians at Nakamichi > who were motivated by a love for music, for recording, for beautiful > sound and beautiful objects. If that weren't the case, wouldn't > Nakamichi be just another Panasonic? > Fred, the old softy. > > > > From bhonhoff at dds.nl Wed Jan 19 11:16:57 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:16:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] That's Suono Tapes for Naks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106129817.41ee3399df301@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, I've been using That's Tapes for a while, from the lowest ranks (for my walkman) to the highest ranks. They are (almost) equal to other brands. Be aware that Metal tapes (to my limited knowledge) are less prawn to recalibration issues than Type II, Type I or the Type III (Scotch 'Classic') The casing of the cassettes are a bit above the standard. Allthough higher priced than other brands in the beginning I liked the That's Metal Tapes, which were the only Metal Tapes avail in my neighbourhood. They performed really well on my BX-125. bart Quoting "Angel W. Ricano" : > Hello Nakers, > Does anyone know where That's Suono Tapes rank against TDK MA-XG Green Shell, > Sony Super Metal Master, and Maxell Metal Vertex. > Thanks, > Angel > From Christoph.Schumacher at gmx.de Wed Jan 19 10:41:14 2005 From: Christoph.Schumacher at gmx.de (Christoph Schumacher) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:41:14 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 482 Message-ID: <2549.1106127674@www22.gmx.net> Hallo, ich habe einen Kassettenrekorder Nakamichi 482 geerbt. Wie ich weiss, war dies einmal ein sehr teures Gerät. Da ich selbst kein HiFi-Freak bin beabsichtige ich es in kundige Hände zu verkaufen. Wer kann mir Details über das Gerät und eine Preisidee zukommen lassen? Vielleicht ist ja jemand interessiert. Beste Grüße C.Schumacher From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 11:30:44 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? References: Message-ID: Hello, can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what can we do with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). Sorry for this naiv question... István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the PCB's and > its running fine now!! > Thank you, > Kevin > > >From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > > > >Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts > >deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work like > >new with a little cleaning > > > >Ed > > > >bart honhoff wrote: > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the > motor > >>of a Nak > >>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? > >>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. > >> > >>regards, > >> > >>bart honhoff > >> > >>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" > <graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi Kevin, > >>> > >>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in > its playback or > >>>line > >>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB > >>>connector. > >>>No crossover is involved. > >>> > >>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power > >>>supply > >>>problem. > >>> > >>>Hope this helps! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bhonhoff at dds.nl Wed Jan 19 11:41:37 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:41:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 482 In-Reply-To: <2549.1106127674@www22.gmx.net> References: <2549.1106127674@www22.gmx.net> Message-ID: <1106131297.41ee3961edd77@webmail.dds.nl> I inheritated a Nak 482. It has been an expensive deck in the past. Since I'm not an HiFi-addict, I want to sell it to an expert. Who can give me details about the recorder and give me an idea which price to ask. Maybe somebody is interested. ==================== Guten Tag, Christoph, Möglicherweise gibt es mehrere Leute, die auch Deutsch beherschen auf diese Mailing-Liste. Aber gehe nicht davon aus. Wie Sie sehen, ist Deutsch auch nicht meiner Muttersprache. Falls Sie keinen Englisch beherschen, richte Ihren Email direkt an mich, und ich übersetzte gerne Ihre Fragen. MfG, bart honhoff Quoting Christoph Schumacher : > Hallo, > ich habe einen Kassettenrekorder Nakamichi 482 geerbt. Wie ich weiss, war > dies einmal ein sehr teures Gerät. Da ich selbst kein HiFi-Freak bin > beabsichtige ich es in kundige Hände zu verkaufen. > Wer kann mir Details über das Gerät und eine Preisidee zukommen lassen? > Vielleicht ist ja jemand interessiert. > Beste Grüße > C.Schumacher > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 19 12:16:59 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:16:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D81E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I have to agree with Kermit regarding DBX. I own 2 open reel deck with built in DBX type I unit and at times can sound exactly like Kermit described. I prefer using High-Com II on my Naks with recording that I listen to in the house and not in the car. High-Com II does not have that "pumping" or "breathing" effect that DBX does. I own 2 High-com II units that I use on my RX505 and BX300 and hoping to get a third one for my 680ZX or ZX9. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2005 4:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers Fellow Nakkers: Just my 2-cents/pence/rupees worth on the subject of noise reductions and Nakamichis. Dolby A: Ray Dolby's first technically successful system in 1966 was the Dolby Type A. Its detractors feel it was already outdated by 1970, but I'd disagree. I loved my Dolby A model M-8 and M-16. It provides 10db noise reduction across the audio spectrum, which is split into four bands. Each band is compressed during encode, yet only the quieter portions are expanded on decode, with the range of expansion controlled by a modulated high-frequency pilot-tone recorded onto the tape. Dolby A is very resilient to errors and forgiving of all but the worst quality tapes. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is easy and using Dolby A will actually force you to keep your deck well-calibrated without you even being aware of it. Lovely! By the way, you cannot buy a Dolby NR chip unless you are a Dolby licensee, even in single-quantity! Forget any Dolby do-it-yourself projects! Dolby B: A simplified version of type A noise reduction targeted towards consumer recording equipment. It uses a single band and sliding filter technique to make it operate down to 1KHz, providig 10 dB of noise reduction only above 1KHz. Nakamichi made the best of the best Dolby B implementations, because of the excellent user-twekability afforded by their built-in test tone and user adjustments. The Revox A77 Dolby reel-to-reel was a close second. Teac made an awful stand alone Dolby B, but Advent made an outstanding one. If you can find an Advent Dolby B, then grab it! Dolby C: Improves Dolby B by adding a second band and improving the filters, providing 20 dB of noise reduction above 1KHz. I've not used any Nakamichis with Dolby C; the best I've used are the Revox B710 and B215 cassette decks. Dolby S: A multiband budget version of the Dolby system intended for the consumer market provides 24 db noise reduction above 1kHz and 10dB below 1KHz. Dolby S is so poorly compatible with any recorder other than the one that made the original recording that I'd avoid it like a plague! Blecch! Want to make your own Dolby S? Scavenge one out of an extant but otherwise dead deck. Think "Analog Audio Meets Scrapheap Challenge." Dolby HX Pro: Purports to be a "headroom expansion" system that supposedly also helps the deck record high frequency sounds without distortion, when used with a NR system, by controlling how high frequencies are recorded onto the tape. Supposedly this enables the noise reduction to work with fewer tracking errors and slightly less tape saturation effects. Actually, to my ears, it adds a strange edge to high-pitched sounds in too many instances, and often causes a subtle asthmatic-like wheezing noise floor character when it is used. Bang & Olufsen made the only one that actually worked as claimed and that truly sounded great. The Harmon-Kardon Dolby HX made my skin crawl. I've been told that B&O invented the HX, not Dolby. Maybe that's why theirs sounded so good. JVC ANRS and SuperANRS: Were attempts to get around Dolby licensing. Dull-sounding. Awful. dbx Type I: A 2:1:2 compander using a proprietary VCA that made this symetrical compression-expansion system practical for the first time. dbx is more susceptible to errors from tape dropouts (causing expansion errors) and decode tracking errors, resulting in phase shift; and calibration errors, resulting in audible pumping effects. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is nightmarish with dbx Type I! Despite this, its use of broadband compression increases dynamic range, reduces tape saturation effects and cancels most odd-order distortion products. I've heard truly nasty Type I-encoded tapes that were recorded on badly-aligned recorders running at 7.5 ips. So, dbx Type I works best only with 15 ips or 30 ips recorders. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. dbx Type II: A simplified version intended for cassette recorders, 8-track recorders, broadcast carts and narrow-track multitracks like the Tascam 38. It imposes a greater pre-emphasis on the detection circuit and uses an RMS detection system to improve immunity to tracking errors. The theoretical dynamic range expansion gained by dbx Type II is the same as Type I. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is quite nightmarish with dbx Type II! The dbx Corporation recently discontinued all its Type II units. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. Did Nakamichi use dbx Type II at one time? dbx type III: A low cost system integrated into analog processors like the dbx Series 20 graphic Equalizers, a must-avoid product. It claims to add 20db headroom to signal processors. Boring. Why not just design processors with adequate headroom to begin with? That's what I do! dbx type IV: A specialized limiter/compander that functions as a part of a professional A/D/A stage to expand the convertors' available headroom while maintaining the integrity of the original signal by working only on the top 4dB of the dynamic range. It reduces clipping the converters, reducing the rate of "overs" in the recording. Careful level setting does the same thing. dbx 929: A variant of the tried-and-true dynamic noise filter (see below). dbx LP Noise Reduction system: A noise reduction and dynamic expansion system for records, basically similar to dbx Type II. the Lp had to be decoded with a separate box hooked up to your hi-fi. It never really got off the ground because it had no effect on surface noise, pops and tick. Also, its cheap VCA introduced unpleasant artifacts that irritated many audiophiles. Finally, the choice of repertoire released onto dbx-encoded discs was meager, often mastered from noisy master tapes, defeating any advantage it may have given you. Stupid! Columbia CX LP Noise Reduction system: Also a noise reduction and dynamic expansion system for records that purported that you could enjoy the LP with or without the decoder; in other words, it didn't need to be decoded to be listenable. In truth, it was horrible! If you never heard a CX-encoded disc, count your blessings! Imagine over-compressed, shrill-sounding, noisy LPs and you've got a taste of this wretched and mercifully short lived system. Telefunken HighCom: Developed by Telefunken in the 70's. I've never had any experience with these and thus cannot comment. MXR 119: a simple compander made in the 1970s as a "me-too" of the dbx Type II. I had one briefly and it was wretched. Mistracking was rife and it had a muffled sound overall. AVOID THESE! AEC C39 dynamic processor: included a worthless noise reduction. Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits psychoacoustic masking. Doesn't require prior encoding so it will work not only on tape but on almost any signal source. At the input stage the audio signal passes through a level detector then splits into two paths: Path 1 undergoes a 180-degree phase shift while Path 2 is put through a high pass filter with a cutoff frequency of around 4kHz that is controlled by the level sensor. When the signal level is high the filter cuts the high, but with quieter signals it opens up to let the signal through. The two signal paths combine in an adder. The out-of-phase content determines what remains of signal path 2 cancels out some noise from signal path 1, giving an effective noise reduction of 10 to 12 db. National Semiconductor makes a very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. Philips never patented the process, so it can be found made by many companies and in several variations. Behringer makes a good version of the Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. is an adequate Dynamic Noise Limiter tailored for music instrument uses. Past excellent versions included the Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise Limiters made by HH Scott, Fisher, Grommes, and SAE. SAE Autocorrelator: Basically a downward expander/noise gate, this expensive 1970s device gave only 3 dB noise reduction! Why bother? Apparently, no one did -- it wasn't on the market for long. Buy a good Nakamichi instead! Or give it as a joke gift to an audio buddy. Un-groovy. THATCorp: Makes several excellent VCA chips that will let a good designer or DIY'er create their own compander noise reductions. Possibly a Dolby clone could be made with these. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 19 13:27:23 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:27:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak spirit In-Reply-To: References: <200501181527.j0IFRBHZ007693@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <41EE522B.5040803@snet.net> You're both right in a manner of speaking. Nakamichi started out as a small specialty company that did need to meet a bottom line number to be profitable, but was driven by a passion to build the best cassette decks the world would ever know. From the accounts that I have heard, there was a real passion behind the products and company. The problem is that as any company grows, things tend to become more about business and Nakamichi was no exception. Around the time of the first BX series, Nak was into making CD players, receivers, amps, pre amps, oh yes, and tape decks. It was common knowledge among service techs that the music bank players had big problems with the cartridge mechanism yet the corporate machine would deny this. As things became more about money and less about good products, the design talent that carried the torch naturally became increasingly disillusioned and began to exit the company and thus began the beginning of the end as they say. Ed Fred Lifton wrote: > Oh, I don't know about that, Gra. People are motivated by all sorts of > things other than capitalism, thank christ. Call me naive, but I like > to think that there were engineers, designers, technicians at > Nakamichi who were motivated by a love for music, for recording, for > beautiful sound and beautiful objects. If that weren't the case, > wouldn't Nakamichi be just another Panasonic? > Fred, the old softy. > > > On Jan 18, 2005, at 7:27 AM, Gra' wrote: > >> We cannot emulate the spirit of Nakamichi >> because there was no spirit except that of capitalistic intent, to >> make a >> product at a price that will offer a damned good return on the >> investment in >> making it. Full stop. Nothing more than that. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 13:27:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:27:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? Message-ID: Shalom Istvan! Don't laugh...! I use an a used tooth brush...WORKS!!! I have an a German made "Kontack" spray contact cleaner...spray on the brush and clean many times each time spraying the cleaner and will be 100% clean!!! ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > >Hello, >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what can we do >with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). > >Sorry for this naiv question... > >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the PCB's and >>its running fine now!! >>Thank you, >>Kevin >> >>>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 >>> >>>Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts >>>deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work like >>>new with a little cleaning >>> >>>Ed >>> >>>bart honhoff wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the >>motor >>>>of a Nak >>>>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? >>>>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. >>>> >>>>regards, >>>> >>>>bart honhoff >>>> >>>>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" >><graker at woods-and-waters.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Kevin, >>>>> >>>>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a problem in >>its playback or >>>>>line >>>>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB >>>>>connector. >>>>>No crossover is involved. >>>>> >>>>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a power >>>>>supply >>>>>problem. >>>>> >>>>>Hope this helps! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jan 19 13:25:55 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:25:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak spirit In-Reply-To: <003701c4fe09$b85426e0$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: As a general comment, doesn't any company/entrepreneur have the making of profit their principal objective, otherwise they would be a charity/charity worker? Within the context of a successful company, in the vast majority of cases the individual has philanthropism as a secondary objective or something that only appears after having made their "wodge". Nakamichi would appear to be no better or worse than any other company and sainthood seems unlikely to be awarded to anyone concerned with the company. I also am somewhat uneasy at equating the desire for producing high quality audiophile equipment with anything especially laudable in terms of human character, Nakamichi equipment is certainly desirable and high quality but has not contributed very much to improving the human condition. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 19 January 2005 09:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit Oh yes - I agree that people are motivated by all sorts of things. However, I suggest that most companies - especially, but not exclusively, those answerable to institutional shareholders - are only motivated by $$, and especially share price. It seems the days of philanthropic employers has gone. - sadly. And in this respect, I'd stand Nakamichi along side Panasonic. Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 19 13:33:04 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004501c4fe23$05678f80$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Now, there's a novel idea! I wonder what kind of toothbrush works best ... perhaps a Phillips sonic??? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > Shalom Istvan! > > Don't laugh...! I use an a used tooth brush...WORKS!!! > I have an a German made "Kontack" spray contact cleaner...spray > on the brush > and clean many times each time spraying the cleaner and will be 100% > clean!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Sándor István > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > > > >Hello, > >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? > >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what > can we do > >with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). > > > >Sorry for this naiv question... > > > >István > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" > > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the > PCB's and > >>its running fine now!! > >>Thank you, > >>Kevin > >> > >>>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> > >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > <naktalk at naks.com> > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > >>> > >>>Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts > >>>deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work like > >>>new with a little cleaning > >>> > >>>Ed > >>> > >>>bart honhoff wrote: > >>> > >>>>Hi, > >>>> > >>>>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the > >>motor > >>>>of a Nak > >>>>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? > >>>>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn off. > >>>> > >>>>regards, > >>>> > >>>>bart honhoff > >>>> > >>>>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" > >><graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Hi Kevin, > >>>>> > >>>>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a > problem in > >>its playback or > >>>>>line > >>>>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty PCB > >>>>>connector. > >>>>>No crossover is involved. > >>>>> > >>>>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb > OR a power > >>>>>supply > >>>>>problem. > >>>>> > >>>>>Hope this helps! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > ---------========= > >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > ---------========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>Maintain your account here: > >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > ---------========= > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > >> > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.com/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 13:55:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:55:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak spirit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050119125520.32135.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today we see American and British soldiers being brought to highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage ways the terrorists carried out life executions. Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials to their sense..or could it? Bala --- Doug Locke wrote: > As a general comment, doesn't any > company/entrepreneur have the making of > profit their principal objective, otherwise they > would be a charity/charity > worker? > > Within the context of a successful company, in the > vast majority of cases > the individual has philanthropism as a secondary > objective or something that > only appears after having made their "wodge". > > Nakamichi would appear to be no better or worse than > any other company and > sainthood seems unlikely to be awarded to anyone > concerned with the company. > I also am somewhat uneasy at equating the desire for > producing high quality > audiophile equipment with anything especially > laudable in terms of human > character, Nakamichi equipment is certainly > desirable and high quality but > has not contributed very much to improving the human > condition. > > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: 19 January 2005 09:32 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > Oh yes - I agree that people are motivated by all > sorts of things. However, > I suggest that most companies - especially, but not > exclusively, those > answerable to institutional shareholders - are only > motivated by $$, and > especially share price. It seems the days of > philanthropic employers has > gone. - sadly. And in this respect, I'd stand > Nakamichi along side > Panasonic. > > Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:24:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:24:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? Message-ID: Gra' ...you are laughing/expressing joy on me!!!!! Don't understand my knowledge...makes me MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:04 -0000 > >Now, there's a novel idea! I wonder what kind of toothbrush works best ... >perhaps a Phillips sonic??? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > Shalom Istvan! > > > > Don't laugh...! I use an a used tooth brush...WORKS!!! > > I have an a German made "Kontack" spray contact cleaner...spray > > on the brush > > and clean many times each time spraying the cleaner and will be 100% > > clean!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: S�ndor Istv�n > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > > > > > >Hello, > > >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? > > >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what > > can we do > > >with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). > > > > > >Sorry for this naiv question... > > > > > >Istv�n > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" > > > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the > > PCB's and > > >>its running fine now!! > > >>Thank you, > > >>Kevin > > >> > > >>>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> > > >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > <naktalk at naks.com> > > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts > > >>>deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work >like > > >>>new with a little cleaning > > >>> > > >>>Ed > > >>> > > >>>bart honhoff wrote: > > >>> > > >>>>Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the > > >>motor > > >>>>of a Nak > > >>>>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? > > >>>>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn >off. > > >>>> > > >>>>regards, > > >>>> > > >>>>bart honhoff > > >>>> > > >>>>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" > > >><graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Hi Kevin, > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a > > problem in > > >>its playback or > > >>>>>line > > >>>>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty >PCB > > >>>>>connector. > > >>>>>No crossover is involved. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb > > OR a power > > >>>>>supply > > >>>>>problem. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Hope this helps! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > ---------========= > > >>>> Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > ---------========= > > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>>>Maintain your account here: > > >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > ---------========= > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > -----========= > > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > -----========= > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > -----========= > > >> > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.com/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:30:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:30:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <004501c4fe23$05678f80$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Better Gra' don't under estimate/undervalue my ample knowledge/cognition!!!! Thanks, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:04 -0000 > >Now, there's a novel idea! I wonder what kind of toothbrush works best ... >perhaps a Phillips sonic??? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > Shalom Istvan! > > > > Don't laugh...! I use an a used tooth brush...WORKS!!! > > I have an a German made "Kontack" spray contact cleaner...spray > > on the brush > > and clean many times each time spraying the cleaner and will be 100% > > clean!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: S�ndor Istv�n > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > > > > > >Hello, > > >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? > > >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what > > can we do > > >with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). > > > > > >Sorry for this naiv question... > > > > > >Istv�n > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" > > > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the > > PCB's and > > >>its running fine now!! > > >>Thank you, > > >>Kevin > > >> > > >>>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> > > >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > <naktalk at naks.com> > > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts > > >>>deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work >like > > >>>new with a little cleaning > > >>> > > >>>Ed > > >>> > > >>>bart honhoff wrote: > > >>> > > >>>>Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust the > > >>motor > > >>>>of a Nak > > >>>>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? > > >>>>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn >off. > > >>>> > > >>>>regards, > > >>>> > > >>>>bart honhoff > > >>>> > > >>>>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" > > >><graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Hi Kevin, > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a > > problem in > > >>its playback or > > >>>>>line > > >>>>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty >PCB > > >>>>>connector. > > >>>>>No crossover is involved. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb > > OR a power > > >>>>>supply > > >>>>>problem. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Hope this helps! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > ---------========= > > >>>> Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > ---------========= > > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>>>Maintain your account here: > > >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > ---------========= > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > -----========= > > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > -----========= > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > -----========= > > >> > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.com/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Christoph.Schumacher at gmx.de Wed Jan 19 15:32:07 2005 From: Christoph.Schumacher at gmx.de (Christoph.Schumacher at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:32:07 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 482 References: <1106131297.41ee3961edd77@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <24753.1106145127@www52.gmx.net> Hello Bart, tanks a lot for your help, my english is a ltlle bir rusty, Therefore I send my question in German. But with your help, I hope to recieve some answers. Have a good time. Christoph > I inheritated a Nak 482. It has been an expensive deck in the past. Since > I'm > not an HiFi-addict, I want to sell it to an expert. > > Who can give me details about the recorder and give me an idea which price > to > ask. Maybe somebody is interested. > > ==================== > Guten Tag, Christoph, > > Möglicherweise gibt es mehrere Leute, die auch Deutsch beherschen auf > diese > Mailing-Liste. Aber gehe nicht davon aus. Wie Sie sehen, ist Deutsch auch > nicht > meiner Muttersprache. Falls Sie keinen Englisch beherschen, richte Ihren > Email > direkt an mich, und ich übersetzte gerne Ihre Fragen. > > MfG, bart honhoff > > Quoting Christoph Schumacher : > > > Hallo, > > ich habe einen Kassettenrekorder Nakamichi 482 geerbt. Wie ich weiss, > war > > dies einmal ein sehr teures Gerät. Da ich selbst kein HiFi-Freak bin > > beabsichtige ich es in kundige Hände zu verkaufen. > > Wer kann mir Details über das Gerät und eine Preisidee zukommen lassen? > > Vielleicht ist ja jemand interessiert. > > Beste Grüße > > C.Schumacher > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 19 15:30:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:30:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <20050119125520.32135.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01c4fe33$652187e0$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a little personal study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but suffice to say that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored six on one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is usually wholly to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are like, their motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the time nor place. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today > we see American and British soldiers being brought to > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials > to their sense..or could it? > > Bala From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 19 15:30:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:30:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004d01c4fe33$66e6b780$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Hee! Hee! Bit of both, mate! <> But seriously, a sonic toothbrush just might be the right tool for getting inside small cavities. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 19 January 2005 13:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > Gra' ...you are laughing/expressing joy on me!!!!! > > Don't understand my knowledge...makes me > MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:04 -0000 > > > >Now, there's a novel idea! I wonder what kind of toothbrush > works best ... > >perhaps a Phillips sonic??? > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:28 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > > > > Shalom Istvan! > > > > > > Don't laugh...! I use an a used tooth brush...WORKS!!! > > > I have an a German made "Kontack" spray contact cleaner...spray > > > on the brush > > > and clean many times each time spraying the cleaner and will be 100% > > > clean!!! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Sándor István > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > > > > > > > >Hello, > > > >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? > > > >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what > > > can we do > > > >with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). > > > > > > > >Sorry for this naiv question... > > > > > > > >István > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" > > > > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the > > > PCB's and > > > >>its running fine now!! > > > >>Thank you, > > > >>Kevin > > > >> > > > >>>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> > > > >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > <naktalk at naks.com> > > > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> > > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > > > >>> > > > >>>Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts > > > >>>deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work > >like > > > >>>new with a little cleaning > > > >>> > > > >>>Ed > > > >>> > > > >>>bart honhoff wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>>Hi, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to > adjust the > > > >>motor > > > >>>>of a Nak > > > >>>>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? > > > >>>>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn > >off. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>regards, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>bart honhoff > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" > > > >><graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>Hi Kevin, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a > > > problem in > > > >>its playback or > > > >>>>>line > > > >>>>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty > >PCB > > > >>>>>connector. > > > >>>>>No crossover is involved. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb > > > OR a power > > > >>>>>supply > > > >>>>>problem. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>Hope this helps! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------========= > > > >>>> Register your Nak today! > >http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------========= > > > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >>>>Maintain your account here: > > > >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------========= > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > > -----========= > > > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > > -----========= > > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > > -----========= > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >>Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > >> > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > > http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 15:39:09 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:39:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You need Dolby S to record the speeches of Arial Schron! >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:11:56 +0200 > >Sorry my dear Folks...I don't feel the imperative use of Dolby S in my >Dragon...AS ALWAYS...I recorded with NO DOLBY AT ALL...Why...needs to make >changes????? > >OK...I understand...IF any of you own another brand deck WITH Dolby S...so >continue listening with the same deck...IF...& ONLY IF...you already >recorded using Dolby S noise reduction! > >ALEX! > > > >>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) >> >>Derrick Beckner writes: >> > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did >>individual >> > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an >> > effort would it take to do this switch? >> > >> > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >> > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks >>have >> > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good documentation >>on >> > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily >> > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . >> > >kannan >> >>Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >>what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >>circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >>you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >>Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >>Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). >> >>-Ti >>-- >>Ti Kan >>http://www.amb.org/ti >>Vorsprung durch Technik >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 15:57:02 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:57:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! Message-ID: Gra: Let me know when you finish the book........my wife spent many years at Random House and is now at a large independent house.....always looking for interesting and timely subject matter! N >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:30:16 -0000 > >Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! > >For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a little personal >study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what >motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm >writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but suffice to >say >that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored six on >one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is usually wholly >to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are like, >their >motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden >bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the time nor >place. > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > > > > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really > > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old > > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a > > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today > > we see American and British soldiers being brought to > > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put > > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps > > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage > > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. > > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: > > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being > > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps > > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials > > to their sense..or could it? > > > > Bala > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 15:59:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:59:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <004c01c4fe33$652187e0$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050119145952.20924.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, we'll talk it out someday. Lets just get the 'Love of Nakamichi' done! Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! > > For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've > made a little personal > study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic > variety) and what > motivates them, much of these results being fed into > a novel that I'm > writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the > detail but suffice to say > that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is > usually scored six on > one side and half a dozen on the other! No single > side is usually wholly > to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what > terrorists are like, their > motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. > the infamous Dresden > bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is > neither the time nor place. > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > > > > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt > really > > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age > old > > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a > > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. > Today > > we see American and British soldiers being brought > to > > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being > put > > to shame. I dont know why this is being > done-perhaps > > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in > savage > > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. > > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you > this: > > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then > being > > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps > > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high > officials > > to their sense..or could it? > > > > Bala > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From c123666 at comcast.net Wed Jan 19 16:41:55 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:41:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 won't play In-Reply-To: <20050119145952.20924.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, My ZX9 is FF and REW OK but when I hit the play button it just kind of clunks and does not do anything. I've tried different tapes; same thing. Is this a capstan failure? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:00 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! Ok, we'll talk it out someday. Lets just get the 'Love of Nakamichi' done! Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! > > For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've > made a little personal > study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic > variety) and what > motivates them, much of these results being fed into > a novel that I'm > writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the > detail but suffice to say > that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is > usually scored six on > one side and half a dozen on the other! No single > side is usually wholly > to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what > terrorists are like, their > motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. > the infamous Dresden > bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is > neither the time nor place. > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > > > > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt > really > > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age > old > > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a > > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. > Today > > we see American and British soldiers being brought > to > > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being > put > > to shame. I dont know why this is being > done-perhaps > > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in > savage > > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. > > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you > this: > > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then > being > > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps > > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high > officials > > to their sense..or could it? > > > > Bala > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com Wed Jan 19 16:44:02 2005 From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:44:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700II needed for parts Message-ID: <41EE8042.7010004@shelbyvilledesign.com> I'm looking for a 700 series II to get mine back up and running, needs to have a good heads, power supply board, and other little odds and ends. Or if I can find one that needs a little tlc and use mine for parts. erie From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Wed Jan 19 16:52:44 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:52:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <200501191543.j0JFhNHa012520@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Well yeah, that's what they're designed for - duh! ;-) Gary >>But seriously, a sonic toothbrush just might be the right tool for getting inside small cavities. Gra'<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 19 16:59:18 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:59:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <004c01c4fe33$652187e0$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> References: <20050119125520.32135.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> <004c01c4fe33$652187e0$8dd0883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119095018.019d4b68@psulias.psu.edu> Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which contrary to popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of the Third Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military forces, as "State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the way). Why wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews and communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions of people to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of Indian civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in Europe? Or Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in the deaths of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly a surprising choice. As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned tail and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death wish started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting 20th Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are insurgents be less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a bunch of lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. At 09:30 AM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! > >For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a little personal >study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what >motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm >writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but suffice to say >that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored six on >one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is usually wholly >to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are like, their >motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden >bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the time nor place. > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > > > > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really > > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old > > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a > > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today > > we see American and British soldiers being brought to > > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put > > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps > > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage > > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. > > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: > > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being > > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps > > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials > > to their sense..or could it? > > > > Bala > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions Yes, you read that right! From c123666 at comcast.net Wed Jan 19 17:02:08 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:02:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 700II needed for parts In-Reply-To: <41EE8042.7010004@shelbyvilledesign.com> Message-ID: Erie, I have a 700II that has all of its parts and at least the FF/REW/play seem to work. I picked it up at a local antique store on a whim cheap; I'll move it on for what I paid for it plus shipping. Please advise your email and we'll continue this off of this forum. Carl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of erie Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:44 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 700II needed for parts I'm looking for a 700 series II to get mine back up and running, needs to have a good heads, power supply board, and other little odds and ends. Or if I can find one that needs a little tlc and use mine for parts. erie ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 17:49:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neil!!! WRONG...I never record any of his speeches!!!!! ALEX! >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:39:09 -0500 > >You need Dolby S to record the speeches of Arial Schron! > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:11:56 +0200 >> >>Sorry my dear Folks...I don't feel the imperative use of Dolby S in my >>Dragon...AS ALWAYS...I recorded with NO DOLBY AT ALL...Why...needs to make >>changes????? >> >>OK...I understand...IF any of you own another brand deck WITH Dolby S...so >>continue listening with the same deck...IF...& ONLY IF...you already >>recorded using Dolby S noise reduction! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Derrick Beckner writes: >>> > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did >>>individual >>> > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an >>> > effort would it take to do this switch? >>> > >>> > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >>> > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but naks >>>have >>> > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good >>>documentation on >>> > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit easily >>> > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . >>> > >kannan >>> >>>Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >>>what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >>>circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >>>you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >>>Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >>>Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). >>> >>>-Ti >>>-- >>>Ti Kan >>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 17:54:34 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:54:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? Message-ID: Accepted your heart fully apologies!!! & yes a toothbrush REALLY cleans inside the male & female connectors extremely well! Tried andinfrome us your results? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:30:18 -0000 > >Hee! Hee! Bit of both, mate! <> But seriously, a sonic toothbrush >just might be the right tool for getting inside small cavities. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 19 January 2005 13:25 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > Gra' ...you are laughing/expressing joy on me!!!!! > > > > Don't understand my knowledge...makes me > > MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:04 -0000 > > > > > >Now, there's a novel idea! I wonder what kind of toothbrush > > works best ... > > >perhaps a Phillips sonic??? > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:28 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Istvan! > > > > > > > > Don't laugh...! I use an a used tooth brush...WORKS!!! > > > > I have an a German made "Kontack" spray contact cleaner...spray > > > > on the brush > > > > and clean many times each time spraying the cleaner and will be 100% > > > > clean!!! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: S�ndor Istv�n > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >Hello, > > > > >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? > > > > >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what > > > > can we do > > > > >with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on PCs). > > > > > > > > > >Sorry for this naiv question... > > > > > > > > > >Istv�n > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the > > > > PCB's and > > > > >>its running fine now!! > > > > >>Thank you, > > > > >>Kevin > > > > >> > > > > >>>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> > > > > >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > <naktalk at naks.com> > > > > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ><naktalk at naks.com> > > > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > > >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a >parts > > > > >>>deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work > > >like > > > > >>>new with a little cleaning > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Ed > > > > >>> > > > > >>>bart honhoff wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>Hi, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Do you by the way know if it is possible either to > > adjust the > > > > >>motor > > > > >>>>of a Nak > > > > >>>>600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? > > > > >>>>I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently >worn > > >off. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>regards, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>bart honhoff > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > >><graker at woods-and-waters.com>: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>Hi Kevin, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>Your 700's "quiet channel" either has a > > > > problem in > > > > >>its playback or > > > > >>>>>line > > > > >>>>>output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a >dirty > > >PCB > > > > >>>>>connector. > > > > >>>>>No crossover is involved. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb > > > > OR a power > > > > >>>>>supply > > > > >>>>>problem. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>Hope this helps! > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---------========= > > > > >>>> Register your Nak today! > > >http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---------========= > > > > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >>>>Maintain your account here: > > > > >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >>>>========------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---------========= > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > > > -----========= > > > > >>> Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > > > -----========= > > > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >>>Maintain your account here: > > > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >>>========---------------------------------------------------- > > > > -----========= > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -========= > > > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -========= > > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >>Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -========= > > > > >> > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't just search. 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Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:01:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:01:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? Message-ID: Gary! Just do the job easily and extremely well you can use also the British "Servisol" spray can, instead the German one that DO NOT have any lubricants! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:52:44 -0600 > >Well yeah, that's what they're designed for - duh! > >;-) > >Gary > > > > > > >>But seriously, a sonic toothbrush just might be the right tool for >getting inside small cavities. > >Gra'<< >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 19:44:23 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We need him here in America...he is wasted in Isreal! >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:21 +0200 > >Neil!!! > >WRONG...I never record any of his speeches!!!!! > >ALEX! > > > >>From: "neil lipes" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:39:09 -0500 >> >>You need Dolby S to record the speeches of Arial Schron! >> >>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:11:56 +0200 >>> >>>Sorry my dear Folks...I don't feel the imperative use of Dolby S in my >>>Dragon...AS ALWAYS...I recorded with NO DOLBY AT ALL...Why...needs to >>>make changes????? >>> >>>OK...I understand...IF any of you own another brand deck WITH Dolby >>>S...so continue listening with the same deck...IF...& ONLY IF...you >>>already recorded using Dolby S noise reduction! >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) >>>> >>>>Derrick Beckner writes: >>>> > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did >>>>individual >>>> > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of an >>>> > effort would it take to do this switch? >>>> > >>>> > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >>>> > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but >>>>naks have >>>> > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good >>>>documentation on >>>> > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit >>>>easily >>>> > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . >>>> > >kannan >>>> >>>>Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >>>>what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >>>>circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >>>>you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >>>>Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >>>>Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). >>>> >>>>-Ti >>>>-- >>>>Ti Kan >>>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >>>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >>hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 19:46:23 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:46:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119095018.019d4b68@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Drop the big one now!! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:59:18 -0500 > >Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which contrary to >popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of the Third >Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military forces, as >"State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the way). Why >wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews and >communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions of people >to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of Indian >civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in Europe? Or >Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in the deaths >of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly a >surprising choice. > >As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned tail >and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death wish >started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting 20th >Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are insurgents be >less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a bunch of >lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. > >At 09:30 AM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >>Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! >> >>For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a little personal >>study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what >>motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm >>writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but suffice to >>say >>that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored six on >>one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is usually wholly >>to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are like, >>their >>motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden >>bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the time nor >>place. >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit >> > >> > >> > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really >> > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old >> > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a >> > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today >> > we see American and British soldiers being brought to >> > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put >> > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps >> > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage >> > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. >> > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: >> > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being >> > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps >> > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials >> > to their sense..or could it? >> > >> > Bala >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions >Yes, you read that right! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Jan 19 19:53:06 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:53:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EEAC92.7000502@cox.net> I didn't know Randy Newman was on this email list..... neil lipes wrote: > Drop the big one now!! > >> From: Derrick Beckner >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:59:18 -0500 >> >> Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which >> contrary to popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation >> hub of the Third Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular >> military forces, as "State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored >> Terrorism by the way). Why wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder >> of millions of jews and communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing >> of tens of millions of people to the Gulag? Or maybe the British >> Empire's brutal subjugation of Indian civilians? Or perhaps Libya's >> support of bombing US targets in Europe? Or Syria's continued >> illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in the deaths of hundreds >> of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly a surprising >> choice. >> >> As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned >> tail and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death >> wish started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would >> reverting 20th Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there >> are insurgents be less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head >> sawed off by a bunch of lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. >> >> At 09:30 AM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >> >>> Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! >>> >>> For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a little >>> personal >>> study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what >>> motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm >>> writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but >>> suffice to say >>> that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored >>> six on >>> one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is usually >>> wholly >>> to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are >>> like, their >>> motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden >>> bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the time >>> nor place. >>> >>> Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 >>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit >>> > >>> > >>> > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really >>> > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old >>> > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a >>> > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today >>> > we see American and British soldiers being brought to >>> > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put >>> > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps >>> > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage >>> > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. >>> > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: >>> > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being >>> > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps >>> > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials >>> > to their sense..or could it? >>> > >>> > Bala >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> Derrick Beckner >> Mapping Specialist >> Map Library Supervisor >> Penn State University >> 1 Paterno Library >> University Park, PA 16802 >> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >> http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >> 814-863-5753 >> >> Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions >> Yes, you read that right! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how > to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 19 19:44:44 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EEAA9C.5030706@woods-and-waters.com> Kevin Huckle wrote: > Not sure about that, I took the 700 apart, cleaned all the connectors > onto the PCB's and it works fine!! Hey, that's great! The easy fixes are the best. I'm delighted your Nak is back up and running! I get withdrawal pangs when mine aren't working. Diagnosing via email is problematic; my original advice was actually my own "checklist procedure" -- but when seeing the deck in person dirty connectors become very apparent during "running the check list." Nakamichi, Sankyo, Dual, Akai, Dokorder, and Scully all had one thing in common during the 1970s: they used edge card connectors that would accumulate oxidation or contamination with maddening regularity, requiring a thorough cleaning. All Dokorders, the Nakamichi 700 and 1000 and the Scully 280B were especially prone to these problems. Scully in particular used a brand of connector named Molex. Service techs called them "Maalox connectors" after the eponymous stomach antacid because they were especially troublesome. I went to the trouble to replace all of the Molex connectors in my Scullys with far better quality connectors made by Amphenol. I once tried a similar conversion to a Nakamichi 700, the model most prone to connector cleaning trouble. Bad idea. Practically ruined the machine. I ended up having to replace every circuit board in it because of the problems incurred. My next hare-brained idea was to carefully coat the PC board "fingers" that go into the connects with solder; the idea was to make a tighter contact. Also a bad idea because flux residue from the solder was the ultimate contaminant. Cleaning the flux off didn't help because the tin plating of the solder layer isn't as good a conductor as copper. Bottom line: love 'em and live with their limitations. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 19 19:57:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:57:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EEAD96.5090603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Alex! I'd forgotten that Nakamichi included a Dynamic Noise Limiter into the 1000. (Never sold many 1000s -- mainly 500s, 600s, 550s and a few 700s.) Interestingly, Philips also included the system into some of their reel-to-reel and cassette decks of the same period. Ah yes, Alex, you're quite correct about the DNL. This highlights the one flaw of the system: to make it work perfectly, you have to adjust it for variances in the high-frequency content of EACH different album or recording. Nakamichi's implementation (like Philips) didn't adequately allow for this adjustment by the user. I never understood why Philips didn't provide adequate controls for the DNL; most had only ON/OFF switches. Studio versions had versatile controls and are quite effective! Dynamic Noise Limiters ended up to be not a very good idea for building into a tape recorder. If nothing else, the lack of convenience because of the system's need to be readjusted for each recording is off-putting to most persons -- and allows for error of operation, evidenced by either little noise reduction or pronounced dulling of high-frequency content. Nevertheless, Dynamic Noise Limiters remain a potent tool in studio applications. I'd recommend to anyone that they buy a stand-alone studio DNL-like processor, with the exception of the H.U.S.H. N-Joy! Alex Cozac wrote: > Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits > psychoacoustic masking. Doesn't’t require prior encoding so it will work > not only on tape but on almost any signal source. ... > National Semiconductor makes a very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. > Philips never patented the process, so it can be found made by many > companies and in several variations. Behringer makes a good version of > the Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. is an adequate Dynamic Noise > Limiter tailored for music instrument uses. Past excellent versions > included the Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise Limiters made by HH > Scott, Fisher, Grommes, and SAE. > > Dear folks! > > The top of the line Tri-Tracer 1000 & 1000 Mk-2 use this "Plyaback Only; > " DNL" named from Philips...after those two only machines from > Nakamichi, ...was completly discontinued by Nakamichi on later models at > all! > > ALEX! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jan 19 21:20:34 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:20:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119095018.019d4b68@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: I feel that I must reply to Derek, it is well documented that "Bomber" Harris advocated the bombing of civilian targets as a way of breaking the morale of German people and thus shortening the war. The tactic of bombing German civilians had a large number of opponents in the British Forces even at the time. One thing that is certain, two wrongs do not make a right and saying "well they did it first" is no justification for any atrocity or denial of human rights. Does anyone else find it strange that the whole world mourns the loss of over 100,000 people in the Tsunami and pours in aid, yet current estimates are that over 100,000 innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and these are just regarded as "collateral damage". Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: 19 January 2005 15:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which contrary to popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of the Third Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military forces, as "State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the way). Why wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews and communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions of people to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of Indian civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in Europe? Or Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in the deaths of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly a surprising choice. As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned tail and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death wish started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting 20th Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are insurgents be less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a bunch of lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. A From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Jan 19 21:26:02 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:26:02 -0500 Subject: [FWD: Re: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts] Message-ID: <7BFC7F97.241F6735.026D48C1@netscape.net> This message seems never reached Naktalk. I'm sorry for delay. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Modernizy Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:27:59 -0500 Size: 1550 URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 21:44:43 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:44:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <41EEAC92.7000502@cox.net> Message-ID: Slim Pickens where are you when we need you the most??? >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:53:06 -0500 > >I didn't know Randy Newman was on this email list..... > >neil lipes wrote: > >>Drop the big one now!! >> >>>From: Derrick Beckner >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:59:18 -0500 >>> >>>Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which contrary to >>>popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of the >>>Third Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military >>>forces, as "State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the >>>way). Why wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews >>>and communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions of >>>people to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of >>>Indian civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in >>>Europe? Or Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role >>>in the deaths of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but >>>hardly a surprising choice. >>> >>>As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned tail >>>and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death wish >>>started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting 20th >>>Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are insurgents be >>>less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a bunch of >>>lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. >>> >>>At 09:30 AM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>>Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! >>>> >>>>For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a little >>>>personal >>>>study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what >>>>motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm >>>>writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but suffice to >>>>say >>>>that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored six >>>>on >>>>one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is usually >>>>wholly >>>>to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are like, >>>>their >>>>motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden >>>>bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the time nor >>>>place. >>>> >>>>Gra' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>> > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 >>>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really >>>> > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old >>>> > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a >>>> > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today >>>> > we see American and British soldiers being brought to >>>> > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put >>>> > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps >>>> > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage >>>> > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. >>>> > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: >>>> > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being >>>> > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps >>>> > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials >>>> > to their sense..or could it? >>>> > >>>> > Bala >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>Derrick Beckner >>>Mapping Specialist >>>Map Library Supervisor >>>Penn State University >>>1 Paterno Library >>>University Park, PA 16802 >>>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>>814-863-5753 >>> >>>Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions >>>Yes, you read that right! >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >>get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 21:53:19 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FWD: Re: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts] In-Reply-To: <7BFC7F97.241F6735.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20050119205319.15883.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> This is because the assembly has certain extra parts - since I had opened this part for servicing. The actual Bearing housing is a cast iron part with Special hardened Bronze bearing inserts. This part is exactly same as other classic nak decks - can be replaced as I was trying to do the same at that time. ( almost two and half years back) Stephen personally emailed me to check wether that part is really need changing. He said that he had never seen one rquiring replacement. The same was my case too - Reverse play was problematic - finally the problem was identified due to an Orange Cap in Autoazimuth input circuit - So my effort to open the DD motor was a learning experience - a difficult job and I would advice people to check other options before even attempting it kannan Nick wrote: This message seems never reached Naktalk. I'm sorry for delay. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 name=Forwarded Msg Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:27:59 -0500 From: Modernizy To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Need Help Locating Dragon Parts According to the ZX-9 (which is classic Nak mechanism) Service Manual Flywheel Holder Assembly has the following Part Number - CA08384A. The Dragon Service manual refers to the different number: Flywheel Holder Assembly - CA08422A. With the very best wishes, Nick. Scott Johnson wrote: > I don't know if this part is shared >by any other decks. My price list does not list that P/N. Anybody >out there with service manuals for chassic Naks mechanism decks. >Look to see if the Flywheel Holder Assembly is P/N CA08382x. I >suspect that the Dragon is the only one partly because of the direct >drive motors on each of the capstans. A feature that I believe only >the Dragon and TD-1200 have. > >SJ __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Jan 19 21:53:26 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:53:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119095018.019d4b68@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119152756.01bc7a98@psulias.psu.edu> You're applying the rules of 21st Century limited engagements to a conflict where the very existence of nations were in the balance, and where technology was very limited relative to today. Industrial centers were located, of course, in the middle of large civilian populations, and bombing accuracy was judged in hundreds of yards, not inches as it is today. You must also realize that in a conflict where an entire nation is on a %100 war footing, civilians engaged in war production are considered legitimate targets. We actually have planning maps here showing percentage of civilians engaged in military work in various German cities during this era. At any rate, I just find it interesting that of all the atrocities committed in World War II the US Bombing of Dresden was the example chosen. Had the Germans had half the Air Force in 1940 the US had in 1944 London and every other British city would have become a smoking hole, the Royal Navy would have been extinct, and the words "Grosse Britannien" would be on your maps. A population also forfeits it's "human rights" when it supports a regieme like the Third Reich that brutally and savagely violated the most basic rights of hundreds of millions of people in Europe. Nazi Germany was a popular regieme. The Nazi Party was popularly elected to power, and the German population did little to hinder Hitler's raping of the continent. That 100,000 dead number is bogus, and has been widely exposed as such. But of course it still gets rattled off as gospel truth. http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/ I assume you have no problem with the hundreds of thousands Hussein killed in specific, non-collateral "damage"? No problem with the United Nations who allowed him to remain in power for 10 years, and not just remain, but get fatter, richer and happier, with their complicity? The UN is doing a swell job in the Sudan by the way. Even better than in Rwanda and Bosnia. Allowing hundreds of thousands to be slaughtered while taking a high moral ground must soothe their dark souls. At 03:20 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >I feel that I must reply to Derek, it is well documented that "Bomber" >Harris advocated the bombing of civilian targets as a way of breaking the >morale of German people and thus shortening the war. The tactic of bombing >German civilians had a large number of opponents in the British Forces even >at the time. One thing that is certain, two wrongs do not make a right and >saying "well they did it first" is no justification for any atrocity or >denial of human rights. > >Does anyone else find it strange that the whole world mourns the loss of >over 100,000 people in the Tsunami and pours in aid, yet current estimates >are that over 100,000 innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and these >are just regarded as "collateral damage". > >Doug. > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Derrick Beckner >Sent: 19 January 2005 15:59 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! > > >Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which contrary to >popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of the Third >Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military forces, as >"State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the way). Why >wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews and >communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions of people >to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of Indian >civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in Europe? Or >Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in the deaths >of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly a >surprising choice. > >As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned tail >and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death wish >started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting 20th >Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are insurgents be >less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a bunch of >lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. > >A > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From ti at amb.org Wed Jan 19 22:05:33 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:05:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119152756.01bc7a98@psulias.psu.edu> from "Derrick Beckner" at Jan 19, 2005 03:53:26 PM Message-ID: <20050119210533.26380D5AB@smtp.amb.org> Dear gents, this is a mailing list about Nakamichis, not a general chat forum about world history, politics and government. Can you please sit on your fingers abd resist the temptation to comment? Appreciated. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From sjm at pobox.com Wed Jan 19 23:38:00 2005 From: sjm at pobox.com (Scott Mark) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] schematics? BX-125 In-Reply-To: <200501192055.j0JKtaHa013782@zebra.naks.com> References: Message-ID: Message-ID: <2080-SnapperMsgB5378059BE14921E@68.31.38.85> I just completed a tire exchange on my BX-125 deck, which hasn't been used in a few years. My thanks to this list, which was very helpful. I hooked it back up to my stereo, and there is no signal on the right output channel. The headphones are in stereo- the meter shows signal, and recording picks up signal on both sides. My plan is to work backwards from the RCA jacks, comparing the left and right channels, and see if I can locate the faulty part. So far I haven't been able to locate any online schematics or service manuals. Does anyone know if such a thing exists on the web? Thanks. ___ Scott Mark Software Quality Management, Inc. sjm at pobox.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 19 22:54:54 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:54:54 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 won't play Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D820@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> See if the capstans turn when the power is turned on, if they are then the capstans are ok. When you press play do the reels move at all. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: CC [mailto:c123666 at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2005 2:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 won't play Hi, My ZX9 is FF and REW OK but when I hit the play button it just kind of clunks and does not do anything. I've tried different tapes; same thing. Is this a capstan failure? From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 19 23:02:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:02:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] FOR DERRICK In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119095018.019d4b68@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <000001c4fe72$8156e920$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Derrick I could easily have chosen those other examples you offered but didn't want mention them all and to bore everyone to death with something so way off topic. I simply mention Dresden as it is one (of many) classical examples of the "pot calling the kettle black", and in particular because it was the civilian population that was the target of the raid, not the industrial areas. If you want to discuss this and find out where my position really lays, let's take this off the list. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 19 January 2005 15:59 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! > > > Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which contrary to > popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of > the Third > Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military forces, as > "State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the way). Why > wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews and > communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions > of people > to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of Indian > civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in > Europe? Or > Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in > the deaths > of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly a > surprising choice. > > As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned tail > and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death wish > started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting 20th > Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are insurgents be > less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a bunch of > lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. > > At 09:30 AM 1/19/2005, you wrote: > >Argh! Don't get me going on THIS subject, Bala!! > > > >For one, it's waaaaay off topic. For another, I've made a > little personal > >study on terrorists (admittedly, mostly the domestic variety) and what > >motivates them, much of these results being fed into a novel that I'm > >writing. I'll not bore everyone to death with the detail but > suffice to say > >that, as with most conflicts, the blame for them is usually scored six on > >one side and half a dozen on the other! No single side is > usually wholly > >to blame. I could go on for ages ... about what terrorists are > like, their > >motivation, education, Government terrorism (esp. the infamous Dresden > >bombing) and Orwellisms, etc, etc... but this is neither the > time nor place. > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Sent: 19 January 2005 12:55 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak spirit > > > > > > > > > If we see things that way, civilization hasnt really > > > made us better people, and hasnt solved the age old > > > problem of hunger and poverty. But I dont think a > > > cassette deck can help improve human conditions. Today > > > we see American and British soldiers being brought to > > > highlight, and the bulk of the allied forces being put > > > to shame. I dont know why this is being done-perhaps > > > the lawmakers and people have forgotton how in savage > > > ways the terrorists carried out life executions. > > > Having served the Army myself, I can tell you this: > > > I'd simple have my head chopped off rather then being > > > shamed by the very government I serve for. Perhaps > > > Nakamichi could have helped bring the high officials > > > to their sense..or could it? > > > > > > Bala > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Champions > Yes, you read that right! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 19 23:02:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:02:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c4fe72$a121f2e0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Heh! Heh! But female sockets ain't quite the same thing as a tooth, Gary! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 19 January 2005 15:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? Well yeah, that's what they're designed for - duh! ;-) Gary >>But seriously, a sonic toothbrush just might be the right tool for getting inside small cavities. Gra'<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 23:30:49 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:30:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! Message-ID: Life would be very boring indeed if comments were not forthcoming....sort of like.......:thousands have been killed...but the band (Naks) played on....almost as ghoulish as the tourists who refused the leave the beach were dozens of bodies lay dead after last month's tragedy.... Dude's don't ever tell me about the cold indifferent denizens of NYC!! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:05:33 -0800 (PST) > >Dear gents, this is a mailing list about Nakamichis, not a general >chat forum about world history, politics and government. Can you >please sit on your fingers abd resist the temptation to comment? > >Appreciated. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 23:48:56 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:48:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Jan 19 23:59:06 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:59:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] schematics? BX-125 In-Reply-To: <2080-SnapperMsgB5378059BE14921E@68.31.38.85> References: Message-ID: <2080-SnapperMsgB5378059BE14921E@68.31.38.85> Message-ID: <41EEE63A.7030509@cox.net> Scott - Not that it has to be the problem in this case, but in almost every instance that I've had a cassette deck work fine at the meters and the headphones but not from the speakers, it's been the output cables at fault. Either a bad RCA plug or cable, or just a loose one, or oxidation on the plug or jack. Before you go tearing into your BX125, reach behind the deck and twist the output plugs in the jacks. If that doesn't reveal the culprit, twist them at the other end (the preamp input). If that doesn't make a difference, swap the left and right channel plugs at the output of the BX and see if the same speaker stays dead or if it switches to the other one. If the same one stays dead, the problem is not in the cassette deck but further down the line. Good Luck! Scott Mark wrote: >I just completed a tire exchange on my BX-125 deck, which hasn't been used >in a few years. My thanks to this list, which was very helpful. > >I hooked it back up to my stereo, and there is no signal on the right >output channel. The headphones are in stereo- the meter shows signal, and >recording picks up signal on both sides. > >My plan is to work backwards from the RCA jacks, comparing the left and >right channels, and see if I can locate the faulty part. > >So far I haven't been able to locate any online schematics or service >manuals. Does anyone know if such a thing exists on the web? > >Thanks. >___ >Scott Mark >Software Quality Management, Inc. >sjm at pobox.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 00:01:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:01:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: <41EEAA9C.5030706@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <005701c4fe7a$c32d2f00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> A Scully? I'd never heard of a Scully before .... well, I'm jiggered - the truth IS out there, Mulder! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 19 January 2005 18:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > > Kevin Huckle wrote: > > Not sure about that, I took the 700 apart, cleaned all the connectors > > onto the PCB's and it works fine!! > > Hey, that's great! The easy fixes are the best. I'm delighted your Nak > is back up and running! I get withdrawal pangs when mine aren't working. > > Diagnosing via email is problematic; my original advice was actually my > own "checklist procedure" -- but when seeing the deck in person dirty > connectors become very apparent during "running the check list." > > Nakamichi, Sankyo, Dual, Akai, Dokorder, and Scully all had one thing in > common during the 1970s: they used edge card connectors that would > accumulate oxidation or contamination with maddening regularity, > requiring a thorough cleaning. All Dokorders, the Nakamichi 700 and 1000 > and the Scully 280B were especially prone to these problems. > > Scully in particular used a brand of connector named Molex. Service > techs called them "Maalox connectors" after the eponymous stomach > antacid because they were especially troublesome. I went to the trouble > to replace all of the Molex connectors in my Scullys with far better > quality connectors made by Amphenol. > > I once tried a similar conversion to a Nakamichi 700, the model most > prone to connector cleaning trouble. Bad idea. Practically ruined the > machine. I ended up having to replace every circuit board in it because > of the problems incurred. My next hare-brained idea was to carefully > coat the PC board "fingers" that go into the connects with solder; the > idea was to make a tighter contact. Also a bad idea because flux residue > from the solder was the ultimate contaminant. Cleaning the flux off > didn't help because the tin plating of the solder layer isn't as good a > conductor as copper. Bottom line: love 'em and live with their > limitations. > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Jan 20 00:08:22 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:08:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119175831.01c1c508@psulias.psu.edu> Martin, that is total revisionist garbage. If you've had read anything regarding the relations between FDR-Churchill-Stalin you'd realize that. Churchill was always the odd man out at these meetings and constantly warning FDR not to be so chummy with Stalin. FDRs acquiescence to Stalin's demands is the whole reason we had the countries behind the Iron Curtain dominated by the USSR for 40+ years. Churchill wanted to take a far harder line against Soviet occupation. FDR desperately tried to get Congress' approval to go to war, and contrived all sorts of methods to support the UK including the Lend-Lease program, the Cash and Carry Arms Program and the cessation of use of armed US vessels to protect shipments to the UK before the US declared war vs Hitler. And I guess you have never read about the massive amount of financial and material aid we gave to the USSR during the conflict via Murmansk Convoy Route and through Iran? Hundereds of thousands of trucks, thousands of tanks and aircraft, millions of gallons of oil, just for starters. If anything Stalin resisted accepting US help until it was evident that he had no other chioce. Hell, we even held back our advance into Germany so the Russians would have the honor of occupying Berlin first! As Mel Allen used to say "You can look it up!". I would refrain from going so far off topic if utter crap like this wasn't posted. At 05:48 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music in my home which is >tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs to a large degree. >Ther is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. > > however, since the discussion has turned political, let me throw in > something which historinas fail to mention regarding the US "defending" > Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who was having the upper > hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi germany. Why did they > wait so long to fight Hitler and to stop his genocide? Because Hitler was > anti communist and an idirect ally to the US and other Commie hating > governments. The mere possibility of Hitler defeating Stalin was a > welcome possibilty and one the US hoped would happen. However, once they > saw that Stalin could effectively defeat Hitler and possible extend the > USSR's republic to western Europe did the US intervene. In the politics > of war there is little good unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism > and the illusions that wars may serve just and humanitarian causes. We > must make our leaders know that war is an anachronistic means to settle > conflicts. However, it serves other purposes like serving the arms > industy but that is another matter. Il like most of you want to serve > the hi fi industry and I believe that converting the military > industry to a civialin one is long overdue and will only benfit humanity > in the short and long term. So let s stop sending our industries offshore > and build more McIntoshes, Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the like. Long live > the men and women who dedicate their time and effort to producing quailty > products that serve civilains not the industrial military terror machines. > >Martin From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 20 00:18:24 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:18:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! References: Message-ID: <008401c4fe7d$2dc02230$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> For the love of Nakamichi, please take the political discussion to a list about politics!!!! -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! > I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music in my home which is tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs to a large degree. Ther is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. > > however, since the discussion has turned political, let me throw in something which historinas fail to mention regarding the US "defending" Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who was having the upper hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi germany. Why did they wait so long to fight Hitler and to stop his genocide? Because Hitler was anti communist and an idirect ally to the US and other Commie hating governments. The mere possibility of Hitler defeating Stalin was a welcome possibilty and one the US hoped would happen. However, once they saw that Stalin could effectively defeat Hitler and possible extend the USSR's republic to western Europe did the US intervene. In the politics of war there is little good unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism and the illusions that wars may serve just and humanitarian causes. We must make our leaders know that war is an anachronistic means to settle conflicts. However, it serves other purposes like serving the arms industy but that is another matter. Il like most of you want to serve the hi fi industry and I believe that converting the military industry to a civialin one is long overdue and will only benfit humanity in the short and long term. So let s stop sending our industries offshore and build more McIntoshes, Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the like. Long live the men and women who dedicate their time and effort to producing quailty products that serve civilains not the industrial military terror machines. > > Martin From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 20 00:26:58 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:26:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Gentlemen! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119175831.01c1c508@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119175831.01c1c508@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <41EEECC2.3010208@cox.net> Gentlemen, please. Let's not let this forum dissipate into a pub brawl. Remember hi-fi? That's why we're all here. I'd like to keep it that way. Respectfully, Tim Barrett Derrick Beckner wrote: > Martin, that is total revisionist garbage. If you've had read > anything regarding the relations between FDR-Churchill-Stalin you'd > realize that. Churchill was always the odd man out at these meetings > and constantly warning FDR not to be so chummy with Stalin. FDRs > acquiescence to Stalin's demands is the whole reason we had the > countries behind the Iron Curtain dominated by the USSR for 40+ > years. Churchill wanted to take a far harder line against Soviet > occupation. > FDR desperately tried to get Congress' approval to go to war, and > contrived all sorts of methods to support the UK including the > Lend-Lease program, the Cash and Carry Arms Program and the cessation > of use of armed US vessels to protect shipments to the UK before the > US declared war vs Hitler. > > And I guess you have never read about the massive amount of financial > and material aid we gave to the USSR during the conflict via Murmansk > Convoy Route and through Iran? Hundereds of thousands of trucks, > thousands of tanks and aircraft, millions of gallons of oil, just for > starters. If anything Stalin resisted accepting US help until it was > evident that he had no other chioce. Hell, we even held back our > advance into Germany so the Russians would have the honor of occupying > Berlin first! As Mel Allen used to say "You can look it up!". > > I would refrain from going so far off topic if utter crap like this > wasn't posted. > > At 05:48 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: > > > >> I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music in my home which >> is tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs to a large >> degree. Ther is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. >> >> however, since the discussion has turned political, let me throw in >> something which historinas fail to mention regarding the US >> "defending" Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who was >> having the upper hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi >> germany. Why did they wait so long to fight Hitler and to stop his >> genocide? Because Hitler was anti communist and an idirect ally to >> the US and other Commie hating governments. The mere possibility of >> Hitler defeating Stalin was a welcome possibilty and one the US hoped >> would happen. However, once they saw that Stalin could effectively >> defeat Hitler and possible extend the USSR's republic to western >> Europe did the US intervene. In the politics of war there is little >> good unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism and the illusions >> that wars may serve just and humanitarian causes. We must make our >> leaders know that war is an anachronistic means to settle conflicts. >> However, it serves other purposes like serving the arms industy but >> that is another matter. Il like most of you want to serve the hi fi >> industry and I believe that converting the military industry to a >> civialin one is long overdue and will only benfit humanity in the >> short and long term. So let s stop sending our industries offshore >> and build more McIntoshes, Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the like. Long >> live the men and women who dedicate their time and effort to >> producing quailty products that serve civilains not the industrial >> military terror machines. >> >> Martin > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 00:44:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:44:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! In-Reply-To: <008401c4fe7d$2dc02230$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <20050119234414.54264.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> I can't believe in just one day this has grown this big! I guess this has been long inside so many of us, and most of us needed to let it all out somehwere. But lets just stick to discussions related to hi-fi, and most importantly Nak. Please. Oddly, Martin said, lets stop sending our industries offshore..I really like that phrase.Come to think of it, how many of the classic American brands are still built in US? Even McIntosh is having some facial parts made in Far East and its pcbs stuffed in Japan. Its speaker cabinets are also made in Japan. Bala --- greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > For the love of Nakamichi, please take the political > discussion to a list > about politics!!!! > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! > > > > I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music > in my home which is > tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs > to a large degree. Ther > is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. > > > > however, since the discussion has turned > political, let me throw in > something which historinas fail to mention regarding > the US "defending" > Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who > was having the upper > hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi > germany. Why did they wait > so long to fight Hitler and to stop his genocide? > Because Hitler was anti > communist and an idirect ally to the US and other > Commie hating governments. > The mere possibility of Hitler defeating Stalin was > a welcome possibilty and > one the US hoped would happen. However, once they > saw that Stalin could > effectively defeat Hitler and possible extend the > USSR's republic to western > Europe did the US intervene. In the politics of war > there is little good > unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism and the > illusions that wars may > serve just and humanitarian causes. We must make our > leaders know that war > is an anachronistic means to settle conflicts. > However, it serves other > purposes like serving the arms industy but that is > another matter. Il like > most of you want to serve the hi fi industry and I > believe that converting > the military industry to a civialin one is long > overdue and will only > benfit humanity in the short and long term. So let s > stop sending our > industries offshore and build more McIntoshes, > Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the > like. Long live the men and women who dedicate their > time and effort to > producing quailty products that serve civilains not > the industrial military > terror machines. > > > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 01:23:25 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:23:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Gentlemen! In-Reply-To: <41EEECC2.3010208@cox.net> Message-ID: Tim: Don't be a killjoy!! We all need a little blood "spilt" every now and then! >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gentlemen! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:26:58 -0500 > >Gentlemen, please. Let's not let this forum dissipate into a pub brawl. >Remember hi-fi? That's why we're all here. I'd like to keep it that way. > >Respectfully, > >Tim Barrett > >Derrick Beckner wrote: > >>Martin, that is total revisionist garbage. If you've had read anything >>regarding the relations between FDR-Churchill-Stalin you'd realize that. >>Churchill was always the odd man out at these meetings and constantly >>warning FDR not to be so chummy with Stalin. FDRs acquiescence to >>Stalin's demands is the whole reason we had the countries behind the Iron >>Curtain dominated by the USSR for 40+ years. Churchill wanted to take a >>far harder line against Soviet occupation. >>FDR desperately tried to get Congress' approval to go to war, and >>contrived all sorts of methods to support the UK including the Lend-Lease >>program, the Cash and Carry Arms Program and the cessation of use of armed >>US vessels to protect shipments to the UK before the US declared war vs >>Hitler. >> >>And I guess you have never read about the massive amount of financial and >>material aid we gave to the USSR during the conflict via Murmansk Convoy >>Route and through Iran? Hundereds of thousands of trucks, thousands of >>tanks and aircraft, millions of gallons of oil, just for starters. If >>anything Stalin resisted accepting US help until it was evident that he >>had no other chioce. Hell, we even held back our advance into Germany so >>the Russians would have the honor of occupying Berlin first! As Mel Allen >>used to say "You can look it up!". >> >>I would refrain from going so far off topic if utter crap like this wasn't >>posted. >> >>At 05:48 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >> >> >> >>>I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music in my home which is >>>tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs to a large degree. >>>Ther is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. >>> >>> however, since the discussion has turned political, let me throw in >>>something which historinas fail to mention regarding the US "defending" >>>Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who was having the upper >>>hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi germany. Why did they >>>wait so long to fight Hitler and to stop his genocide? Because Hitler was >>>anti communist and an idirect ally to the US and other Commie hating >>>governments. The mere possibility of Hitler defeating Stalin was a >>>welcome possibilty and one the US hoped would happen. However, once they >>>saw that Stalin could effectively defeat Hitler and possible extend the >>>USSR's republic to western Europe did the US intervene. In the politics >>>of war there is little good unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism >>>and the illusions that wars may serve just and humanitarian causes. We >>>must make our leaders know that war is an anachronistic means to settle >>>conflicts. However, it serves other purposes like serving the arms >>>industy but that is another matter. Il like most of you want to serve >>>the hi fi industry and I believe that converting the military industry >>>to a civialin one is long overdue and will only benfit humanity in the >>>short and long term. So let s stop sending our industries offshore and >>>build more McIntoshes, Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the like. Long live the >>>men and women who dedicate their time and effort to producing quailty >>>products that serve civilains not the industrial military terror >>>machines. >>> >>>Martin >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 01:25:08 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:25:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050119175831.01c1c508@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Time to step in...FDR was NO FRIEND TO ANY JEW!!! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:08:22 -0500 > >Martin, that is total revisionist garbage. If you've had read anything >regarding the relations between FDR-Churchill-Stalin you'd realize that. >Churchill was always the odd man out at these meetings and constantly >warning FDR not to be so chummy with Stalin. FDRs acquiescence to Stalin's >demands is the whole reason we had the countries behind the Iron Curtain >dominated by the USSR for 40+ years. Churchill wanted to take a far harder >line against Soviet occupation. >FDR desperately tried to get Congress' approval to go to war, and contrived >all sorts of methods to support the UK including the Lend-Lease program, >the Cash and Carry Arms Program and the cessation of use of armed US >vessels to protect shipments to the UK before the US declared war vs >Hitler. > >And I guess you have never read about the massive amount of financial and >material aid we gave to the USSR during the conflict via Murmansk Convoy >Route and through Iran? Hundereds of thousands of trucks, thousands of >tanks and aircraft, millions of gallons of oil, just for starters. If >anything Stalin resisted accepting US help until it was evident that he had >no other chioce. Hell, we even held back our advance into Germany so the >Russians would have the honor of occupying Berlin first! As Mel Allen used >to say "You can look it up!". > >I would refrain from going so far off topic if utter crap like this wasn't >posted. > >At 05:48 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: > > > >>I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music in my home which is >>tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs to a large degree. >>Ther is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. >> >> however, since the discussion has turned political, let me throw in >>something which historinas fail to mention regarding the US "defending" >>Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who was having the upper >>hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi germany. Why did they >>wait so long to fight Hitler and to stop his genocide? Because Hitler was >>anti communist and an idirect ally to the US and other Commie hating >>governments. The mere possibility of Hitler defeating Stalin was a welcome >>possibilty and one the US hoped would happen. However, once they saw that >>Stalin could effectively defeat Hitler and possible extend the USSR's >>republic to western Europe did the US intervene. In the politics of war >>there is little good unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism and the >>illusions that wars may serve just and humanitarian causes. We must make >>our leaders know that war is an anachronistic means to settle conflicts. >>However, it serves other purposes like serving the arms industy but that >>is another matter. Il like most of you want to serve the hi fi industry >>and I believe that converting the military industry to a civialin one is >>long overdue and will only benfit humanity in the short and long term. So >>let s stop sending our industries offshore and build more McIntoshes, >>Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the like. Long live the men and women who >>dedicate their time and effort to producing quailty products that serve >>civilains not the industrial military terror machines. >> >>Martin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 01:56:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:56:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers In-Reply-To: <41EEAD96.5090603@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <007601c4fe8a$e6aa9f20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> I have an original Phillips outboard DNL, with DIN sockets. I don't use it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 19 January 2005 18:57 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers > > > Hi Alex! > > I'd forgotten that Nakamichi included a Dynamic Noise Limiter into the > 1000. (Never sold many 1000s -- mainly 500s, 600s, 550s and a few 700s.) > Interestingly, Philips also included the system into some of their > reel-to-reel and cassette decks of the same period. > > Ah yes, Alex, you're quite correct about the DNL. This highlights the > one flaw of the system: to make it work perfectly, you have to adjust it > for variances in the high-frequency content of EACH different album or > recording. Nakamichi's implementation (like Philips) didn't adequately > allow for this adjustment by the user. I never understood why Philips > didn't provide adequate controls for the DNL; most had only ON/OFF > switches. Studio versions had versatile controls and are quite effective! > > Dynamic Noise Limiters ended up to be not a very good idea for building > into a tape recorder. If nothing else, the lack of convenience because > of the system's need to be readjusted for each recording is off-putting > to most persons -- and allows for error of operation, evidenced by > either little noise reduction or pronounced dulling of high-frequency > content. > > Nevertheless, Dynamic Noise Limiters remain a potent tool in studio > applications. I'd recommend to anyone that they buy a stand-alone studio > DNL-like processor, with the exception of the H.U.S.H. > > N-Joy! > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits > > psychoacoustic masking. Doesn't’t require prior encoding so it > will work > > not only on tape but on almost any signal source. ... > > National Semiconductor makes a very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. > > Philips never patented the process, so it can be found made by many > > companies and in several variations. Behringer makes a good version of > > the Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. is an adequate Dynamic Noise > > Limiter tailored for music instrument uses. Past excellent versions > > included the Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise Limiters made by HH > > Scott, Fisher, Grommes, and SAE. > > > > Dear folks! > > > > The top of the line Tri-Tracer 1000 & 1000 Mk-2 use this > "Plyaback Only; > > " DNL" named from Philips...after those two only machines from > > Nakamichi, ...was completly discontinued by Nakamichi on later > models at > > all! > > > > ALEX! > > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 01:56:43 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:56:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007801c4fe8a$e8ecee00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: 19 January 2005 22:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! I like my Nakamichi which produces wonderful music in my home which is tantamount to the peace and harmony this world needs to a large degree. Ther is nothing terrible about Naks only beautiful. however, since the discussion has turned political, let me throw in something which historinas fail to mention regarding the US "defending" Europe. They went in primarily to defeat Stalin who was having the upper hand in the USSR's defensive battle aginst Nazi germany. Why did they wait so long to fight Hitler and to stop his genocide? Because Hitler was anti communist and an idirect ally to the US and other Commie hating governments. The mere possibility of Hitler defeating Stalin was a welcome possibilty and one the US hoped would happen. However, once they saw that Stalin could effectively defeat Hitler and possible extend the USSR's republic to western Europe did the US intervene. In the politics of war there is little good unfortunately, so let's stop the patriotism and the illusions that wars may serve just and humanitarian causes. We must make our leaders know that war is an anachronistic means to settle conflicts. However, it serves other purposes like serving the arms industy but that is another matter. Il like most of you want to serve the hi fi industry and I believe that converting the military industry to a civialin one is long overdue and will only benfit humanity in the short and long term. So let s stop sending our industries offshore and build more McIntoshes, Conrad Johnsons, JBLs and the like. Long live the men and women who dedicate their time and effort to producing quailty products that serve civilains not the industrial military terror machines. Martin >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:53:26 -0500 > >You're applying the rules of 21st Century limited engagements to a >conflict where the very existence of nations were in the balance, >and where technology was very limited relative to today. Industrial >centers were located, of course, in the middle of large civilian >populations, and bombing accuracy was judged in hundreds of yards, >not inches as it is today. You must also realize that in a conflict >where an entire nation is on a %100 war footing, civilians engaged >in war production are considered legitimate targets. We actually >have planning maps here showing percentage of civilians engaged in >military work in various German cities during this era. > >At any rate, I just find it interesting that of all the atrocities >committed in World War II the US Bombing of Dresden was the example >chosen. Had the Germans had half the Air Force in 1940 the US had >in 1944 London and every other British city would have become a >smoking hole, the Royal Navy would have been extinct, and the words >"Grosse Britannien" would be on your maps. > >A population also forfeits it's "human rights" when it supports a >regieme like the Third Reich that brutally and savagely violated the >most basic rights of hundreds of millions of people in Europe. Nazi >Germany was a popular regieme. The Nazi Party was popularly elected >to power, and the German population did little to hinder Hitler's >raping of the continent. > >That 100,000 dead number is bogus, and has been widely exposed as >such. But of course it still gets rattled off as gospel truth. >http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/ > >I assume you have no problem with the hundreds of thousands Hussein >killed in specific, non-collateral "damage"? No problem with the >United Nations who allowed him to remain in power for 10 years, and >not just remain, but get fatter, richer and happier, with their >complicity? > >The UN is doing a swell job in the Sudan by the way. Even better >than in Rwanda and Bosnia. Allowing hundreds of thousands to be >slaughtered while taking a high moral ground must soothe their dark >souls. > > > >At 03:20 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >>I feel that I must reply to Derek, it is well documented that >>"Bomber" >>Harris advocated the bombing of civilian targets as a way of >>breaking the >>morale of German people and thus shortening the war. The tactic of >>bombing >>German civilians had a large number of opponents in the British >>Forces even >>at the time. One thing that is certain, two wrongs do not make a >>right and >>saying "well they did it first" is no justification for any >>atrocity or >>denial of human rights. >> >>Does anyone else find it strange that the whole world mourns the >>loss of >>over 100,000 people in the Tsunami and pours in aid, yet current >>estimates >>are that over 100,000 innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq >>and these >>are just regarded as "collateral damage". >> >>Doug. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner >>Sent: 19 January 2005 15:59 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! >> >> >>Interesting you should select the bombing of Dreseden, (which >>contrary to >>popular myth, was an industrial city and a transportation hub of >>the Third >>Reich), during a declared war, by uniformed, regular military >>forces, as >>"State Terrorism". (It's not State Sponsored Terrorism by the >>way). Why >>wouldn't you choose, say, Hitler's murder of millions of jews and >>communists? Or Stalin's arbitrary sentencing of tens of millions >>of people >>to the Gulag? Or maybe the British Empire's brutal subjugation of >>Indian >>civilians? Or perhaps Libya's support of bombing US targets in >>Europe? Or >>Syria's continued illegal occupation of Lebanon and it's role in >>the deaths >>of hundreds of US Marines in Beruit? Yes, interesting, but hardly >>a >>surprising choice. >> >>As far as Bala's statement goes, I think if the US/UK forces turned >>tail >>and fled just because some fanatics with explosives and a death >>wish >>started target them, would that be less "shameful"? Would reverting >>20th >>Century tactics of wiping out entire towns where there are >>insurgents be >>less "shameful"? You may enjoy having you head sawed off by a >>bunch of >>lunatics, but I'd wager most soldiers would not. >> >>A >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Find the music you love with MSN Music – tracks are just 99c! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 20 03:00:49 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:00:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! In-Reply-To: <20050119234414.54264.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> from "Bala Ganesh Chandra" at Jan 19, 2005 03:44:14 PM Message-ID: <20050120020049.89B42D542@smtp.amb.org> Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > ... > how many of the classic American brands are still > built in US? Even McIntosh is having some facial parts > made in Far East and its pcbs stuffed in Japan. Its > speaker cabinets are also made in Japan. McIntosh is now a just a brand within the D&M Holdings corporation conglomerate. The D stands for Denon and M for Marantz. D&M also owns Escient, Rio and ReplayTV. While D&M is an international company I believe it has its roots in Japan. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 20 03:04:38 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:04:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror !! In-Reply-To: from "neil lipes" at Jan 19, 2005 05:30:49 PM Message-ID: <20050120020438.D24FFD542@smtp.amb.org> neil lipes writes: > Life would be very boring indeed if comments were not forthcoming....sort of > like.......:thousands have been killed...but the band (Naks) played > on....almost as ghoulish as the tourists who refused the leave the beach > were dozens of bodies lay dead after last month's tragedy.... Dude's don't > ever tell me about the cold indifferent denizens of NYC!! Life would indeed be boring if we were indifferent, but this *is* NAKTALK. Please express your viewpoints where it is more appropriate. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From man626 at webtv.net Thu Jan 20 03:14:18 2005 From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:14:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The results of your email commands Message-ID: <24793-41EF13FA-677@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Subject: The results of your email commands Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:41:33 +0100 Size: 5598 URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Jan 20 03:35:54 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:35:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Political Noise Message-ID: <000c01c4fe98$c3d225f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> As has been well stated by several others (some pasted below), please refrain form the urge to interject political opinion into your Naktalk postings. Everyone (well almost everyone) has political opinions, and most feel strongly about them. However, if everyone on the list felt compelled to express their opinions, this would no longer be a Nakamichi forum. Please remember why we are all here. We share a common interest that creates a certain 'brotherhood' capable of bridging continents, backgrounds, religions, and yes political opinion.....please do not spoil it. Robert Kent Gentlemen, please. Let's not let this forum dissipate into a pub brawl. Remember hi-fi? That's why we're all here. I'd like to keep it that way. Respectfully, Tim Barrett For the love of Nakamichi, please take the political discussion to a list about politics!!!! Geoffrey Reynolds Dear gents, this is a mailing list about Nakamichis, not a general chat forum about world history, politics and government. Can you please sit on your fingers abd resist the temptation to comment? Appreciated. -Ti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 03:56:13 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:56:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! In-Reply-To: <20050120020049.89B42D542@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20050120025613.36967.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Originally, Mc was THE brand. The brand whose tuners shamed the Marantz 10B, whose speakers made a statement visually and audibly, whose solid state preamp actually sounded frightfully close to my Audio Note Signature pre and wasnt just a marque on some box, but a band of ground breaking engineers. The build and quality of their equipment is really wonderful, and the effort and time spent on R and D to the nth degree of perfection. Even today, under the closest scrutiny, that perfection can be still seen. This emphasis on R and D in a way spelled the doom for the company in the 80s, when more cheaper products challanged them. Initially they were bought over by Clarion who changed plenty of internal policies and turned the company into a market and profit oriented focus. After failing to get much, plus the general slump on the hi fi scene, they sold the outfit to the present owners, D and M. In quite a number of ways, I see Nakamichi mirroring the fate of McIntosh. It had made plenty of investment and R and D (tell me which other hi fi manufacturer made a concert hall?) and concentrating heavily on a format which was on its way out. Companies like Sony were actually dabbling with digital audio in the last years of the 60s, and PCM mastering was already well perfected in the mid 70s (check out Denons PCM mastered direct cut records). Had Nakamichi kept tabs on all this development, it would not have folded up. But then ironically, had they also gone into digital as I said, they may not have been able to put this much money into cassette R and D, and we consequently may not be reaping the benfits of those decisions and efforts 25 years later. As a side note, the company which bought Nakamichi, Grande group, is based here in Singapore, its head office about 30 mins from where I live. I tried once last year to contact them regarding parts for 1000ZXLs. Their response was, '1000 what?!'. I think you got the wrong company! Bala --- Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > ... > > how many of the classic American brands are still > > built in US? Even McIntosh is having some facial > parts > > made in Far East and its pcbs stuffed in Japan. > Its > > speaker cabinets are also made in Japan. > > McIntosh is now a just a brand within the D&M > Holdings corporation > conglomerate. The D stands for Denon and M for > Marantz. D&M also > owns Escient, Rio and ReplayTV. While D&M is an > international company > I believe it has its roots in Japan. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 04:41:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:41:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neil...are you Jew? ALEX! >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:23 -0500 > >We need him here in America...he is wasted in Isreal! > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:21 +0200 >> >>Neil!!! >> >>WRONG...I never record any of his speeches!!!!! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >>>From: "neil lipes" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:39:09 -0500 >>> >>>You need Dolby S to record the speeches of Arial Schron! >>> >>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:11:56 +0200 >>>> >>>>Sorry my dear Folks...I don't feel the imperative use of Dolby S in my >>>>Dragon...AS ALWAYS...I recorded with NO DOLBY AT ALL...Why...needs to >>>>make changes????? >>>> >>>>OK...I understand...IF any of you own another brand deck WITH Dolby >>>>S...so continue listening with the same deck...IF...& ONLY IF...you >>>>already recorded using Dolby S noise reduction! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) >>>>> >>>>>Derrick Beckner writes: >>>>> > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did >>>>>individual >>>>> > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of >>>>>an >>>>> > effort would it take to do this switch? >>>>> > >>>>> > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >>>>> > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but >>>>>naks have >>>>> > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good >>>>>documentation on >>>>> > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit >>>>>easily >>>>> > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . >>>>> > >kannan >>>>> >>>>>Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >>>>>what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >>>>>circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >>>>>you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >>>>>Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >>>>>Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). >>>>> >>>>>-Ti >>>>>-- >>>>>Ti Kan >>>>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:54:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers In-Reply-To: <007601c4fe8a$e6aa9f20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <007601c4fe8a$e6aa9f20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41EF1D50.1050706@woods-and-waters.com> Well, hey there, Gra' Nelson wrote: > I have an original Phillips outboard DNL, with DIN sockets. I don't use it. > > Gra' > [Switching to 1970s Mode...] ...Far out, man. Like, wow, so if you don't use it, I'd be more than happy to take it off your hands, if you don't want it. [Switching to 21st Century...] ...An original DNL with DIN sockets may be just the ticket for my poor, sad little Uher. Quite a contrast from Nakamichi, which created innovative, convenient excellent products -- while Uher created excessively-complex products utterly devoid of convenience. By the way, Scully manufactured studio reel-to-reels in the 1960s and 1970s. These quite costly, hand-made machines were never widely used and I don't think were ever exported outside North and South America. Their servo-capstan motors cost about $1,000 in 1977! They were to reel-to-reels what Nakamichi were to cassette decks. Scully, later known as Ampro-Scully, recorders had many innovative features and sound quality that could not be surpassed by ANY other brand of recorder; other than a Rangertone I'd have to say they were as close to "perfect" as you'll find -- analog OR digital! Scully never made a 1/2-inch 2-track deck. Why? Because their 1/4-inch 2-track deck sounded better than anyone elses 1/2-inch machine. Scully never made a 24-track or 36-track deck because it would have meant compromising the quality of the head stack. If you've never heard a Scully, you've missed out on the ultimate listening experience. I was told by a Scully service tech in 1978 that when Nakamichi came out with the 1000, Scully scrapped their plans to make a cassette deck! If Mr. Scully couldn't make the absolute finest of any format of recorder then he wasn't interested and wouldn't make it. Imagine! That's how much respect Nakamichi carried with their Model 1000. By the way, did you know that Dolby A works with cassette decks? True. I tried it with my 600-II and it worked, although I never made any Dolby A cassettes other than the once out of curiosity. High cost kept Dolby A from being adopted for cassette decks. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 04:55:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:55:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! Message-ID: Dear Bala & Ti! Yes McIntosh was as Bala described...however if...I'm NOT wrong Audio Research & Conrad Johnson, still made in USA...at least the premium items...can be with foreign parts, but the design is totally American...maybe exist others..but I can't remember now! Have a nice working day all of you! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Terror , Nak Bliss!! >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:56:13 -0800 (PST) > >Originally, Mc was THE brand. The brand whose tuners >shamed the Marantz 10B, whose speakers made a >statement visually and audibly, whose solid state >preamp actually sounded frightfully close to my Audio >Note Signature pre and wasnt just a marque on some >box, but a band of ground breaking engineers. The >build and quality of their equipment is really >wonderful, and the effort and time spent on R and D to >the nth degree of perfection. Even today, under the >closest scrutiny, that perfection can be still seen. >This emphasis on R and D in a way spelled the doom for >the company in the 80s, when more cheaper products >challanged them. Initially they were bought over by >Clarion who changed plenty of internal policies and >turned the company into a market and profit oriented >focus. After failing to get much, plus the general >slump on the hi fi scene, they sold the outfit to the >present owners, D and M. > >In quite a number of ways, I see Nakamichi mirroring >the fate of McIntosh. It had made plenty of investment >and R and D (tell me which other hi fi manufacturer >made a concert hall?) and concentrating heavily on a >format which was on its way out. Companies like Sony >were actually dabbling with digital audio in the last >years of the 60s, and PCM mastering was already well >perfected in the mid 70s (check out Denons PCM >mastered direct cut records). Had Nakamichi kept tabs >on all this development, it would not have folded up. >But then ironically, had they also gone into digital >as I said, they may not have been able to put this >much money into cassette R and D, and we consequently >may not be reaping the benfits of those decisions and >efforts 25 years later. > >As a side note, the company which bought Nakamichi, >Grande group, is based here in Singapore, its head >office about 30 mins from where I live. I tried once >last year to contact them regarding parts for >1000ZXLs. Their response was, '1000 what?!'. I think >you got the wrong company! > >Bala >--- Ti Kan wrote: > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > > ... > > > how many of the classic American brands are still > > > built in US? Even McIntosh is having some facial > > parts > > > made in Far East and its pcbs stuffed in Japan. > > Its > > > speaker cabinets are also made in Japan. > > > > McIntosh is now a just a brand within the D&M > > Holdings corporation > > conglomerate. The D stands for Denon and M for > > Marantz. D&M also > > owns Escient, Rio and ReplayTV. While D&M is an > > international company > > I believe it has its roots in Japan. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > Ti Kan > > http://www.amb.org/ti > > Vorsprung durch Technik > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 04:59:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:59:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The results of your email commands Message-ID: Hi Gerald! Bottom line....You dream that some day you will obtain a Dragon machine for $:200.00...Please continue dreaming...It's completely FREE!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The results of your email commands >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:14:18 -0600 > ><< Message3.txt >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 05:09:06 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:09:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers Message-ID: Dear Kermit! Thanks a lot for your usefully information...always learning from a erudite...Bravo!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:57:26 -0500 > >Hi Alex! > >I'd forgotten that Nakamichi included a Dynamic Noise Limiter into the >1000. (Never sold many 1000s -- mainly 500s, 600s, 550s and a few 700s.) >Interestingly, Philips also included the system into some of their >reel-to-reel and cassette decks of the same period. > >Ah yes, Alex, you're quite correct about the DNL. This highlights the one >flaw of the system: to make it work perfectly, you have to adjust it for >variances in the high-frequency content of EACH different album or >recording. Nakamichi's implementation (like Philips) didn't adequately >allow for this adjustment by the user. I never understood why Philips >didn't provide adequate controls for the DNL; most had only ON/OFF >switches. Studio versions had versatile controls and are quite effective! > >Dynamic Noise Limiters ended up to be not a very good idea for building >into a tape recorder. If nothing else, the lack of convenience because of >the system's need to be readjusted for each recording is off-putting to >most persons -- and allows for error of operation, evidenced by either >little noise reduction or pronounced dulling of high-frequency content. > >Nevertheless, Dynamic Noise Limiters remain a potent tool in studio >applications. I'd recommend to anyone that they buy a stand-alone studio >DNL-like processor, with the exception of the H.U.S.H. > >N-Joy! > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Philips Dynamic Noise Limiter: An ingenious system that exploits >>psychoacoustic masking. Doesn't�t require prior encoding so it will work >>not only on tape but on almost any signal source. ... >>National Semiconductor makes a very good Dynamic Noise Limiter chip. >>Philips never patented the process, so it can be found made by many >>companies and in several variations. Behringer makes a good version of the >>Dynamic Noise Limiter. The H.U.S.H. is an adequate Dynamic Noise Limiter >>tailored for music instrument uses. Past excellent versions included the >>Burwen Noise Filter and Dynamic Noise Limiters made by HH Scott, Fisher, >>Grommes, and SAE. >> >>Dear folks! >> >>The top of the line Tri-Tracer 1000 & 1000 Mk-2 use this "Plyaback Only; " >>DNL" named from Philips...after those two only machines from Nakamichi, >>...was completly discontinued by Nakamichi on later models at all! >> >>ALEX! > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 05:46:09 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:46:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S chips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: You mean am I Jewish?..........Yes, DUH! >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:41:42 +0200 > > >Neil...are you Jew? > >ALEX! > > > >>From: "neil lipes" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:23 -0500 >> >>We need him here in America...he is wasted in Isreal! >> >>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:21 +0200 >>> >>>Neil!!! >>> >>>WRONG...I never record any of his speeches!!!!! >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "neil lipes" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:39:09 -0500 >>>> >>>>You need Dolby S to record the speeches of Arial Schron! >>>> >>>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>>>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:11:56 +0200 >>>>> >>>>>Sorry my dear Folks...I don't feel the imperative use of Dolby S in my >>>>>Dragon...AS ALWAYS...I recorded with NO DOLBY AT ALL...Why...needs to >>>>>make changes????? >>>>> >>>>>OK...I understand...IF any of you own another brand deck WITH Dolby >>>>>S...so continue listening with the same deck...IF...& ONLY IF...you >>>>>already recorded using Dolby S noise reduction! >>>>> >>>>>ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby S chips >>>>>>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) >>>>>> >>>>>>Derrick Beckner writes: >>>>>> > Interesting. Are Dolby chips pretty much standard size or did >>>>>>individual >>>>>> > manufacturers tailor each chip for a certain machine? How much of >>>>>>an >>>>>> > effort would it take to do this switch? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > At 10:17 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote: >>>>>> > >Yes it is possible - only problem would be standardization - but >>>>>>naks have >>>>>> > >standard play out put from Line out as well as very good >>>>>>documentation on >>>>>> > >meter calibration - it is possible to put in a Dolby S circuit >>>>>>easily >>>>>> > >compared to what people are trying to do with 1000ZXl . >>>>>> > >kannan >>>>>> >>>>>>Derrick, I think there is a disconnect between what you ask and >>>>>>what Kannan is answering. Kannan speaks of an add-on Dolby S >>>>>>circuit whereas you speak of a direct chip-level swap. I doubt that >>>>>>you could simply drop in a Dolby S chip in place of the existing >>>>>>Dolby B/C chip without other, likely extensive, modifications. >>>>>>Kannan's use of the word "easily" is a relative term here :). >>>>>> >>>>>>-Ti >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Ti Kan >>>>>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>>>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From admin at shelbyvilledesign.com Wed Jan 19 16:54:16 2005 From: admin at shelbyvilledesign.com (admin) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:54:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700II cont'd Message-ID: <41EE82A8.6080206@shelbyvilledesign.com> I almost forgot, if anyone has schematics or a service manual in pdf format, it would be greatly appreciated. erie From kevinhuckle at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 19:09:50 2005 From: kevinhuckle at hotmail.com (Kevin Huckle) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:09:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I cleaned the boards with a cotton bud, then slid the connectors on and off the board! >From: S�ndor Istv�n <sandorpistike at hotmail.com> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0100 > >Hello, >can you tell me what is the way to clean female-connectors? >Plug-in PCB-cards' connecting surface is easy to clean, but what can >we do with the "deep-hole" connectors (similar to PCI connectors on >PCs). > >Sorry for this naiv question... > >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huckle" ><kevinhuckle at hotmail.com> >To: <naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? > > >>Thank you for your help, I cleaned all the connectors onto the >>PCB's and its running fine now!! >>Thank you, >>Kevin >> >>&gt;From: Edward Noyes &lt;enoyes at snet.net&gt; >>&gt;Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>&lt;naktalk at naks.com&gt; >>&gt;To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>&lt;naktalk at naks.com&gt; >>&gt;Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Help? >>&gt;Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:20 -0500 >>&gt; >>&gt;Replacement is not really an option unless you can find a parts >>&gt;deck. Those motors can be easily torn down and rebuilt to work >>like >>&gt;new with a little cleaning >>&gt; >>&gt;Ed >>&gt; >>&gt;bart honhoff wrote: >>&gt; >>&gt;&gt;Hi, >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;Do you by the way know if it is possible either to adjust >>the motor >>&gt;&gt;of a Nak >>&gt;&gt;600 (and or Nak 700) or have it replaced? >>&gt;&gt;I owe both , but their motors are noisy and apperently worn >>off. >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;regards, >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;bart honhoff >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;Quoting &quot;Kermit V. Gray&quot; >>&lt;graker at woods-and-waters.com&gt;: >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;&gt;Hi Kevin, >>&gt;&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;&gt;Your 700's &quot;quiet channel&quot; either has a >>problem in its playback or >>&gt;&gt;&gt;line >>&gt;&gt;&gt;output amps, a defective output mute circuit or a dirty >>PCB >>&gt;&gt;&gt;connector. >>&gt;&gt;&gt;No crossover is involved. >>&gt;&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;&gt;The dim VU meter is either a bad backlighting bulb OR a >>power >>&gt;&gt;&gt;supply >>&gt;&gt;&gt;problem. >>&gt;&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;&gt;Hope this helps! >>&gt;&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt;========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>&gt;&gt; Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >>&gt;&gt;========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>&gt;&gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>&gt;&gt;Maintain your account here: >>&gt;&gt;http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>&gt;&gt;========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;&gt; >>&gt;========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>&gt; Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >>&gt;========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>&gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>&gt;Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>&gt;========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jszymkow at columbus.rr.com Thu Jan 20 05:31:03 2005 From: jszymkow at columbus.rr.com (John Szymkowiak) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:31:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? Message-ID: <000601c4fea8$db1dca60$0943d218@mine> I don't have any owner manuals to compare, so this will be sweet and simple. What's the difference between a Nakamichi ZX-7 and a ZX-9? In photos they appear to be exactly the same?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 20 12:27:37 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:27:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? In-Reply-To: <000601c4fea8$db1dca60$0943d218@mine> from "John Szymkowiak" at Jan 19, 2005 11:31:03 PM Message-ID: <20050120112737.340671188C@smtp.amb.org> John Szymkowiak writes: > I don't have any owner manuals to compare, so this will be sweet and = > simple. What's the difference between a Nakamichi ZX-7 and a ZX-9? In = > photos they appear to be exactly the same?? The ZX-9 has a direct-drive capstan motor whereas the ZX-7's is belt-driven. The ZX-9 boasts lower wow and flutter specs than the ZX-7. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 14:33:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:33:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? In-Reply-To: <000601c4fea8$db1dca60$0943d218@mine> Message-ID: <00d501c4fef4$aea5e700$a1884c51@oemcomputer> See attached copies of two posts. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Szymkowiak Sent: 20 January 2005 04:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? I don't have any owner manuals to compare, so this will be sweet and simple. What's the difference between a Nakamichi ZX-7 and a ZX-9? In photos they appear to be exactly the same?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:31:16 -0000 Size: 5774 URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" Subject: RE: [naktalk]ZX9 v ZX7 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:16:56 -0000 Size: 2583 URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 15:09:04 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:09:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers In-Reply-To: <41EF1D50.1050706@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c4fef9$9997f100$a1884c51@oemcomputer> You're making me think I should press it into service again, Kermit! Not sure I'd want to sell it as I suspect it may have some collector value because I've got the original box, too! Mind you, a year or so back I put it on eBay with a reserve of just £15 and I didn't get even one bid. In fact, hardly anyone bothered to look at it. As I recall (I have a DNL circuit built into an old Aiwa deck), it was used for playback only. I am correct? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 20 January 2005 02:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers > > > Well, hey there, Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > I have an original Phillips outboard DNL, with DIN sockets. I > don't use it. > > > > Gra' > > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 20 15:34:10 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:34:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Message-ID: <13375.212.78.164.66.1106231650.squirrel@212.78.164.66> For those unaware of what kind of list they have subscribed themselves to.... This list is dedicated to talk about Nakamichi cassettedecks and subjects related to it. If you take this into a big perspective any subject will do, but if you take it into the Nak perspective from this list it gets limited unfortunately.... Please find another place if you need to express yourself on any other subject, there must be al lot of places you can do this, try google to start as a searching point Thanks for taking these small guidelines in consideration when you post a message to NAKtalk... Wouter From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 20 15:47:09 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:47:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk In-Reply-To: <13375.212.78.164.66.1106231650.squirrel@212.78.164.66> References: <13375.212.78.164.66.1106231650.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <41EFC46D.2010003@bellsouth.net> Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been wearing out my delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We support your efforts to facilitate Nak and related talk. Mike Wouter Heijke wrote: >For those unaware of what kind of list they have subscribed themselves to.... > >This list is dedicated to talk about Nakamichi cassettedecks and subjects >related to it. >If you take this into a big perspective any subject will do, but if you >take it into the Nak perspective from this list it gets limited >unfortunately.... >Please find another place if you need to express yourself on any other >subject, there must be al lot of places you can do this, try google to >start as a searching point > >Thanks for taking these small guidelines in consideration when you post a >message to NAKtalk... > >Wouter > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 16:46:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:46:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk In-Reply-To: <41EFC46D.2010003@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <00f901c4ff07$3bbccf20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Mike Would you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears a baseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for Colombine", "Nero and I" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"? Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Michael Moore > Sent: 20 January 2005 14:47 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk > > > Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been wearing out my > delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We > support your efforts > to facilitate Nak and related talk. > Mike > > > From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 20 17:16:19 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:16:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <00f901c4ff07$3bbccf20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <00f901c4ff07$3bbccf20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41EFD953.1030304@bellsouth.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valman13440 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 17:22:57 2005 From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! Message-ID: <20050120162257.72307.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> I got some of the newer generation TDK SA cassette's and i don't know what TDK did but these things sound horrible,i don't understand that if TDK did'nt change the SA formula why they sound so bad?All my other SA's from the early to late 80's through the early to late 90's sound great but these newer SA's are just bad.They track bad and the high end is really dull,i have to adjust my bias control on all my decks to the extreme negative bias to get any simblance of treble out of them.I just don't think TDK is using the same attention to detail and top notch manufacturing practices as they used to.The packaging say's Tape made in Japan Assembled in Thailand,I live in the USA.Has anyone else noticed the downward spiral in TDK Tape's?Peace,Keith H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 18:32:57 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:32:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! In-Reply-To: <20050120162257.72307.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050120162257.72307.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b105012009325f91cf7@mail.gmail.com> I have been on the rampage against the Luxembourg-made TDKs, both audio and VHS, for years now. It's a shame if even the Japan-based product has now gone downhill as well. Seems like all focus is now on Mini-Disc, CD-R and DVD-R. George On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:22:57 -0800 (PST), Keith Hugo wrote: > I got some of the newer generation TDK SA cassette's > and i don't know what TDK did but these things sound > horrible,i don't understand that if TDK did'nt change > the SA formula why they sound so bad?All my other SA's > from the early to late 80's through the early to late > 90's sound great but these newer SA's are just > bad.They track bad and the high end is really dull,i > have to adjust my bias control on all my decks to the > extreme negative bias to get any simblance of treble > out of them.I just don't think TDK is using the same > attention to detail and top notch manufacturing > practices as they used to.The packaging say's Tape > made in Japan Assembled in Thailand,I live in the > USA.Has anyone else noticed the downward spiral in TDK > Tape's?Peace,Keith H. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From b4uer at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 19:59:48 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? In-Reply-To: <00d501c4fef4$aea5e700$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncwitte at wittelaw.com Thu Jan 20 17:04:27 2005 From: ncwitte at wittelaw.com (Norman C. Witte) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:04:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open Message-ID: <015201c4ff09$b850ad20$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Hi, I am new to this list as of this morning--so much for lurking for awhile. First question. I recently purchased a 582. It is in very good overall condition, but the cassette door will not open. There is a cassette trapped inside but it will not play. From my looking around, my guess is that the heads are not fully disengaging or engaging--failing to disengage means the door can't open, and failing to engage means that the play mode doesn't work. I assume that a simple clean and lube will fix this. Am I correct? A 581Z I have seen listed for sale seems to have the same problem so I am guessing that this is common. Second question. Where would I find either of the remotes for this deck, the RM-580 or the RM-10? Are these made out of unobtainium? Thanks, Norm Witte, slightly rotund guy from Lansing From semplay at dircon.co.uk Thu Jan 20 17:59:23 2005 From: semplay at dircon.co.uk (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:59:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! In-Reply-To: <20050120162257.72307.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith Glad you mentioned this as I was about to buy a ton of these which means they probably are similar if not the same formulation so I might test a small batch on my Nakamichi 682ZX's. On another note I have seen a Nakamichi 700ZXE for sale but here in UK Nakamichi no longer service them. I wondered if the 700ZXE can be serviced in the US by an approved specialist? Forgive my ignorance as I am a newcomer on this list. Regards Jagtar Keith Hugo20/01/2005 16:22valman13440 at yahoo.com > I got some of the newer generation TDK SA cassette's > and i don't know what TDK did but these things sound > horrible,i don't understand that if TDK did'nt change > the SA formula why they sound so bad?All my other SA's > from the early to late 80's through the early to late > 90's sound great but these newer SA's are just > bad.They track bad and the high end is really dull,i > have to adjust my bias control on all my decks to the > extreme negative bias to get any simblance of treble > out of them.I just don't think TDK is using the same > attention to detail and top notch manufacturing > practices as they used to.The packaging say's Tape > made in Japan Assembled in Thailand,I live in the > USA.Has anyone else noticed the downward spiral in TDK > Tape's?Peace,Keith H. > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 20 22:38:30 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] [ADMIN NOTE] toleration has ended here Message-ID: <41F024D6.2090605@xs4all.nl> I was catching up with all the posts of the last days. I must say that i won't tolerate any posts like this again, i will remove the member from naktalk, no questions asked. I'm tired of posts like this. I'm a member of several lists on several topics and have never seen posts like this that ara that off-topic. So ONLY talk about audio, any post that may cause trouble will be rejected, and if you don't like the moderators decision, you're out period. Now, let's come back to what we are here for. Thanks for your attention. Wouter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 20 22:27:25 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:27:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013301c4ff36$d5a9ac00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> You might add to that question "Do they sound a lot different?" To that, I can't answer! However, I do recall Stephen Sank something to the effect that there was not a lot of difference save that, on certain types of music (e.g. probably piano) the direct drive capstan motors offered a more realistic rendition. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: 20 January 2005 19:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? simple answers to a simple question. Thanks Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 19:59:37 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <41EFD953.1030304@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20050120185937.35372.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> The large diaphram MXL microphones are really amazing FOR THE PRICE. $60 gets you this 20mm diaphram mic at Musician's Friend http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/273156/ And for $80 you can get this 1" diaphram mic http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/273157/ I personally have the older MXL2001. I got it for $75 and it's truely amazing for the price. These mics are condensers and require +48V phantom power to run. As will all professional microphones the output is balanced XLR. I assume you have a mixer capable of taking XLR in. Scott J. --- Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> wrote: --------------------------------- No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making azillion dollars. I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in Atlanta, GAUSA. Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a recommendationor two from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or possibllya CR-7 if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III comingup, it might be fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for areally pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less thatwould do an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike (usedis ok). Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? Mike Nelson wrote: MikeWould you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears abaseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for Colombine", "Nero andI" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"?Grinham -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]OnBehalf Of Michael MooreSent: 20 January 2005 14:47To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalkThanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been wearing out mydelete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. Wesupport your effortsto facilitate Nak and related talk.Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 22:57:09 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:57:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] [ADMIN NOTE] toleration has ended here In-Reply-To: <41F024D6.2090605@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050120215709.91527.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Wouter for writing this eventhough the postings had stopped. I was wondering whether to continue with this list as I find the generally non racial/ or political or personal feelings among the members seem to be missing. We have to look in to Naktalk Archives and read old postings from some of the stalwarts here to understand what is expected of Naktalk. kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: I was catching up with all the posts of the last days. I must say that i won't tolerate any posts like this again, i will remove the member from naktalk, no questions asked. I'm tired of posts like this. I'm a member of several lists on several topics and have never seen posts like this that ara that off-topic. So ONLY talk about audio, any post that may cause trouble will be rejected, and if you don't like the moderators decision, you're out period. Now, let's come back to what we are here for. Thanks for your attention. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 23:09:11 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? In-Reply-To: <013301c4ff36$d5a9ac00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050120220911.18782.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> I found the sound is very similar unless you have Hi end Amplification/ Speakers to judge finer shade of differnce among them. I found ZX 7 is a very good buy right now becuase it has Manual azimuth / level / bias setting to attain the best record replay performance at a very low cost. I would say this the best one can get around 200- 300 $ range today - may be including calibration or little service or spare parts. kannan Nelson wrote: You might add to that question "Do they sound a lot different?" To that, I can't answer! However, I do recall Stephen Sank something to the effect that there was not a lot of difference save that, on certain types of music (e.g. probably piano) the direct drive capstan motors offered a more realistic rendition. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: 20 January 2005 19:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? simple answers to a simple question. Thanks Greg Bauer ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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When you get the head block fully retracted, try opening the door. If you have the head block fully retracted but the door will still not open, you may have a wad of tape wound around a capstan. This doesn't happen often in Naks, but it can happen. Let's hope it's not that. Tim Barrett, a too skinny guy in Fairfax Norman C. Witte wrote: >Hi, I am new to this list as of this morning--so much for lurking for >awhile. > >First question. I recently purchased a 582. It is in very good overall >condition, but the cassette door will not open. There is a cassette trapped >inside but it will not play. From my looking around, my guess is that the >heads are not fully disengaging or engaging--failing to disengage means the >door can't open, and failing to engage means that the play mode doesn't >work. I assume that a simple clean and lube will fix this. Am I correct? >A 581Z I have seen listed for sale seems to have the same problem so I am >guessing that this is common. > >Second question. Where would I find either of the remotes for this deck, >the RM-580 or the RM-10? Are these made out of unobtainium? > >Thanks, > >Norm Witte, slightly rotund guy from Lansing > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ncwitte at wittelaw.com Fri Jan 21 00:04:27 2005 From: ncwitte at wittelaw.com (Norman C. Witte) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:04:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open In-Reply-To: <41F02FB9.7020005@cox.net> Message-ID: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Tim, thanks for the reply. FF and REW work fine, so I think it's unlikely that I have a tape wound around the capstan issue as you described. Am I also correct in surmising that cleaning and lube are probably the issue here? Regards, Norm Witte > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:25 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 won't open > > > Norm- > > Most likely the heads have failed to retract, just like you have > surmised. To manually retract the head base, unplug the > unit. Take off > the top cover. Look at the back of the transport. On the back right > side of the transport will be a small motor which drives a > single square > cross-section belt. This belt goes around one pulley; this pulley is > responsible for moving the head block and pinch rollers into the play > position. Reach a finger in and turn the pulley; if the head > block goes > up then turn the pulley the other way. When you get the head block > fully retracted, try opening the door. > > If you have the head block fully retracted but the door will > still not > open, you may have a wad of tape wound around a capstan. > This doesn't > happen often in Naks, but it can happen. Let's hope it's not that. > > Tim Barrett, a too skinny guy in Fairfax > > > Norman C. Witte wrote: > > >Hi, I am new to this list as of this morning--so much for lurking for > >awhile. > > > >First question. I recently purchased a 582. It is in very > good overall > >condition, but the cassette door will not open. There is a > cassette trapped > >inside but it will not play. From my looking around, my > guess is that the > >heads are not fully disengaging or engaging--failing to > disengage means the > >door can't open, and failing to engage means that the play > mode doesn't > >work. I assume that a simple clean and lube will fix this. > Am I correct? > >A 581Z I have seen listed for sale seems to have the same > problem so I am > >guessing that this is common. > > > >Second question. Where would I find either of the remotes > for this deck, > >the RM-580 or the RM-10? Are these made out of unobtainium? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Norm Witte, slightly rotund guy from Lansing > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 00:01:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:01:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? In-Reply-To: <20050120220911.18782.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014b01c4ff43$ecad7960$a1884c51@oemcomputer> I was thinking much the same. Even tho' I'm a ZX-9 owner, I rather fancy the ZX-7 offers much better value for money at today's prices. There is an element of perceived value with the ZX-9; not as great as exists for the Dragon or even a CR7, but it's there. Mind you, at today's prices, a ZX-9 is still good value, too!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 20 January 2005 22:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? I found the sound is very similar unless you have Hi end Amplification/ Speakers to judge finer shade of differnce among them. I found ZX 7 is a very good buy right now becuase it has Manual azimuth / level / bias setting to attain the best record replay performance at a very low cost. I would say this the best one can get around 200- 300 $ range today - may be including calibration or little service or spare parts. kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 21 01:28:58 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:28:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late In-Reply-To: <200501202310.j0KNAeeu019213@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501202310.j0KNAeeu019213@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <70C0215A-6B43-11D9-992B-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Hi all, Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC cart. It really was a great combination when the table was professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did not have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a three-head Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best Nak would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. Ah, nostalgia. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 21 00:42:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:42:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <41EFD953.1030304@bellsouth.net> References: <00f901c4ff07$3bbccf20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> <41EFD953.1030304@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <41F041E8.5040400@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Michael, Here’s my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up some of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you’re patient in your bidding. I can vouch for these because I‘ve owned them all (or borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi 550 for serious professional quality work that went on to be released commercially. DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big label" feel. * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for hardpsichord, clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile windscreen, meager rumble suppression. * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about everything. * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. Fragile windscreen. * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about everything. * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More for rock or country, I think. * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed only because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. More for hard rock, I think. * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no presence peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of the most accurate microphones ever made yet often overlooked or ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try it on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. Perfect for piano. * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. Perfect for piano. RIBBON MICROPHONE * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the Neumann U87! I know -- I’ve had an U87! Often used on scoring stages in the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the more expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. Frankly, you’ll do just as well in practice with a choice from the above list. AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized alkaline battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic range. Has that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that characterized electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural if not used up close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were stolen. Slighlty too noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. ~~~~~ I’m always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording live music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. N-Joy! Michael Moore wrote: > No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making a > zillion dollars. > I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in Atlanta, GA USA. > Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a recommendation > or two > from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or possiblly > a CR-7 > if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III coming up, > it might be > fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for a > really > pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less that > would do > an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike (used > is ok). > Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? > Mike > > > Nelson wrote: > >>Mike >> >>Would you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears a >>baseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for Colombine", "Nero and >>I" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"? >> >>Grinham >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Michael Moore >>>Sent: 20 January 2005 14:47 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk >>> >>> >>>Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been wearing out my >>>delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We >>>support your efforts >>>to facilitate Nak and related talk. >>>Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 21 01:48:28 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:48:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open In-Reply-To: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> References: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Message-ID: <41F0515C.1000701@cox.net> Norm- It would certainly benefit from a clean and lube, but you may need new belts. The 582 has the classic Nakamichi transport with one capstan belt and one control motor belt. The control motor belt is the one that moves the head base up and down. A thorough cleaning of the control motor belt and it's pulleys may make it work for a while, but it's not a permanent fix. Some disassembly of the transport needs to be done to replace the belts. Along with the belts, there is one rubber idler located between the two reel tables which should be cleaned. Replacing these parts, if you can find them, is the best option. Other parts which will benefit from cleaning and lubing are the control cam shaft (the pulley turned by the control belt), the pinch roller bearings, and the capstan bearings. The lubricant tends to get old and stiff (not unlike some of us)(present company excluded, however). If you are reasonably mechanically inclined, and patient, you can do all of this yourself. Tim Norman C. Witte wrote: >Tim, thanks for the reply. FF and REW work fine, so I think it's unlikely >that I have a tape wound around the capstan issue as you described. Am I >also correct in surmising that cleaning and lube are probably the issue >here? > >Regards, > >Norm Witte > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Tim Barrett >>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:25 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 won't open >> >> >>Norm- >> >>Most likely the heads have failed to retract, just like you have >>surmised. To manually retract the head base, unplug the >>unit. Take off >>the top cover. Look at the back of the transport. On the back right >>side of the transport will be a small motor which drives a >>single square >>cross-section belt. This belt goes around one pulley; this pulley is >>responsible for moving the head block and pinch rollers into the play >>position. Reach a finger in and turn the pulley; if the head >>block goes >>up then turn the pulley the other way. When you get the head block >>fully retracted, try opening the door. >> >>If you have the head block fully retracted but the door will >>still not >>open, you may have a wad of tape wound around a capstan. >>This doesn't >>happen often in Naks, but it can happen. Let's hope it's not that. >> >>Tim Barrett, a too skinny guy in Fairfax >> >> >>Norman C. Witte wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi, I am new to this list as of this morning--so much for lurking for >>>awhile. >>> >>>First question. I recently purchased a 582. It is in very >>> >>> >>good overall >> >> >>>condition, but the cassette door will not open. There is a >>> >>> >>cassette trapped >> >> >>>inside but it will not play. From my looking around, my >>> >>> >>guess is that the >> >> >>>heads are not fully disengaging or engaging--failing to >>> >>> >>disengage means the >> >> >>>door can't open, and failing to engage means that the play >>> >>> >>mode doesn't >> >> >>>work. I assume that a simple clean and lube will fix this. >>> >>> >>Am I correct? >> >> >>>A 581Z I have seen listed for sale seems to have the same >>> >>> >>problem so I am >> >> >>>guessing that this is common. >>> >>>Second question. Where would I find either of the remotes >>> >>> >>for this deck, >> >> >>>the RM-580 or the RM-10? 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I hope, respected members of the forum, that you understand the motive. Some may feel that having heared my voice here very recently, that I may be a total newbie. I have subscribed to the list much longer then that, but just never had the time to actively particpate. I do not harbour any ill intentions against any member, for whatever views that he has. I hope no one has that ill feelings towards me either. Thank you all. Regards Bala --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > I was catching up with all the posts of the last > days. > I must say that i won't tolerate any posts like this > again, i will > remove the member from naktalk, no questions asked. > I'm tired of posts like this. I'm a member of > several lists on several > topics and have never seen posts like this that ara > that off-topic. > So ONLY talk about audio, any post that may cause > trouble will be > rejected, and if you don't like the moderators > decision, you're out period. > > Now, let's come back to what we are here for. > > Thanks for your attention. > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From b4uer at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 05:24:24 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:24:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PURCHASING TAPES !! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 07:20:47 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:20:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Japanese web site with brochure scans In-Reply-To: <00d501c4fef4$aea5e700$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050121062047.41219.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> I stumbled across this web site last night. http://my.reset.jp/~inu/ProductsDataBase/Products/Nakamichi/Nakamichi.htm Very nice brochure scans. Mostly LX series and older. Way better than my site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak2.html Scott J. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jan 21 01:56:06 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:56:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Comparison Message-ID: <001401c4ff54$000f6080$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Added information for comparison can be made by studying the Nak marketing brochures. Nakamichi spells out the differences concisely. Here's the web links to the brochures...... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx7.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html Enjoy the reading! Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43°04'W, Long 89°24'E kjbleus at lycos.com http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050120220911.18782.qmail at web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I found the sound is very similar unless you have Hi end Amplification/ Speakers to judge finer shade of differnce among them. I found ZX 7 is a very good buy right now becuase it has Manual azimuth / level / bias setting to attain the best record replay performance at a very low cost. I would say this the best one can get around 200- 300 $ range today - may be including calibration or little service or spare parts. kannan Nelson wrote: You might add to that question "Do they sound a lot different?" To that, I can't answer! However, I do recall Stephen Sank something to the effect that there was not a lot of difference save that, on certain types of music (e.g. probably piano) the direct drive capstan motors offered a more realistic rendition. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: 20 January 2005 19:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 ZX-9 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ? Simple answers to a simple question. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jan 21 02:01:01 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:01:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Admin Note..... Message-ID: <001d01c4ff54$af575b10$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Wouter, Agree with you, and have 100% support from me on this issue. I'm certain there are many others who also feel similarly. Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43°04'W, Long 89°24'E kjbleus at lycos.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:30 +0100 From: Wouter Heijke Subject: [naktalk] [ADMIN NOTE] toleration has ended here To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <41F024D6.2090605 at xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I was catching up with all the posts of the last days. I must say that i won't tolerate any posts like this again, i will remove the member from naktalk, no questions asked. I'm tired of posts like this. I'm a member of several lists on several topics and have never seen posts like this that ara that off-topic. So ONLY talk about audio, any post that may cause trouble will be rejected, and if you don't like the moderators decision, you're out period. Now, let's come back to what we are here for. Thanks for your attention. Wouter ------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Fri Jan 21 04:08:30 2005 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:08:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New TDK SA's In-Reply-To: <200501202310.j0KNAteu019223@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Keith, I have some that fit your description (Assembled in Thailand). Keep in mind that my uses are probably different from those of most others on this forum, but I have not noticed anything wrong with them. I record live instruments to cassette (Sony KA3ES, Tascam 112 MkII, Nak DR-3) and therefore I adjust the overall recorded sound more at the mixing desk than by doing major adjustments to bias, etc. (Tascam doesn't even have any outboard tape calibration whatsoever. . .. that's why I've adopted this way of doing it.) I don't record prerecorded music to tape anymore. Recordable CD is for that. Anyhow, in the recording of instruments to tape, I notice no major difference between TDK SA's and other tapes (TDK SM's, Fuji's, Sony UX-Pro and CD-It, et al.) In fact, I find that the overall results are just as good with the TDK SA's as with anything else, save for the SM's, my absolute FAVORITE tapes. Perhaps our respective stock of SA's came from different sources?? Best, Michael On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 05:10 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Hugo Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20050120162257.72307.qmail at web40621.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got some of the newer generation TDK SA cassette's and i don't know what TDK did but these things sound horrible,i don't understand that if TDK did'nt change the SA formula why they sound so bad?All my other SA's from the early to late 80's through the early to late 90's sound great but these newer SA's are just bad.They track bad and the high end is really dull,i have to adjust my bias control on all my decks to the extreme negative bias to get any simblance of treble out of them.I just don't think TDK is using the same attention to detail and top notch manufacturing practices as they used to.The packaging say's Tape made in Japan Assembled in Thailand,I live in the USA.Has anyone else noticed the downward spiral in TDK Tape's?Peace,Keith H. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 21 00:49:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:49:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers In-Reply-To: <00ec01c4fef9$9997f100$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <00ec01c4fef9$9997f100$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41F04371.6030001@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra', Nelson wrote: > You're making me think I should press it into service again, Kermit! Good! I'd rather see you get some enjoyment out of it! > Not > sure I'd want to sell it as I suspect it may have some collector value > because I've got the original box, too! Mind you, a year or so back I put > it on eBay with a reserve of just £15 and I didn't get even one bid. In > fact, hardly anyone bothered to look at it. Because they're not well known, alas. > > As I recall (I have a DNL circuit built into an old Aiwa deck), it was used > for playback only. I am correct? Yes -- BUT it's real advantage is that it can be used to quiet source material BEFORE you record onto your Nakamichi, like radio broadcasts, tapes made without noise reduction on lesser-quality decks (like Uhers or Nagras), TV sound, noisy microphone preamps or mixers, 8-tracks, noisy LPs, 78s, or 45s (although strong record pops can cause it to open up prematurely creating "hiss bursts"); and I've found it makes a passable de-esser in a pinch. N-Joy! > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: 20 January 2005 02:54 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers >> >> >>Well, hey there, Gra' >> >>Nelson wrote: >> >>>I have an original Phillips outboard DNL, with DIN sockets. I >> >>don't use it. >> >>>Gra' >>> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From fred at fredlifton.com Fri Jan 21 01:47:21 2005 From: fred at fredlifton.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:47:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] An Elba for the OT naktalkers Message-ID: <0234DC79-6B46-11D9-992B-000D93C246E2@fredlifton.com> Thank you, Wouter, for applying the stick. Things were a little out of hand. I would like to offer a carrot to Naktalkers who would like to continue to have cyber-conversations outside of audio. I've resuscitated the Music and Politics group blog. It's a bit of a hack to make a blog work for a group, so here's how it works: If you're interested in simply reading the posts and making comments on the posts, point your browser to: http://www.reediejournals.com/blogs/235/. If you would like to make a post yourself (i.e. start a new thread), go to: http://www.reediejournals.com/. In the big purple log-in box, enter the following: firs tname: naktalker last name: naktalker password: 1000zxl click "log-in" You'll see a list of journals you can post to. Click "Music and Politics" at the bottom. From there, it's pretty self-evident to anyone smart enough to work a vintage tape deck. This whole thing is on the honor system. Use a pseudonym if you must, but please don't edit other people's entries or impersonate others. We had fun with this about 8 months ago, but then it kind of fizzled. Let's hope it gets lively again! Bring on the SUV's, terrorists, and capitalist philosophy critiques! best to all you audioholics, Fred "The Internet, a magnificent new technology combining the credibility of anonymous hearsay with the excitement of typing." Jon Stewart Note to Wouter: if you believe even this to be too OT, I beg you not to boot me. From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 21 09:24:55 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:24:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use many the latest SA tapes in Europe, and I presume that this tape is sourced in the EU. Other that a very occasional problems with cases (and that's rare! and I have used 100s!) I find the quality of the SA tape to be just as good and consistent as it has always been! ( its also probably the cheapest better type II tape I have ever used!). Is it possible that the tape sold on the other side of the pond and sourced in the Far East is suspect? Try to get some of the tape I use, its coded SA90EB! Colin Marsh. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: 20 January 2005 16:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! I got some of the newer generation TDK SA cassette's and i don't know what TDK did but these things sound horrible,i don't understand that if TDK did'nt change the SA formula why they sound so bad?All my other SA's from the early to late 80's through the early to late 90's sound great but these newer SA's are just bad.They track bad and the high end is really dull,i have to adjust my bias control on all my decks to the extreme negative bias to get any simblance of treble out of them.I just don't think TDK is using the same attention to detail and top notch manufacturing practices as they used to.The packaging say's Tape made in Japan Assembled in Thailand,I live in the USA.Has anyone else noticed the downward spiral in TDK Tape's?Peace,Keith H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bhonhoff at dds.nl Fri Jan 21 09:34:00 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:34:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open In-Reply-To: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> References: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Message-ID: <1106296440.41f0be7847fe8@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Norman, You hit the problem, which is clearly descibed by one of the Dutch contributors of Naks.com, mr. Henk Schenk, on his website. (http://www.audiofriends.nl/audiofriends) If you use p.e. an 48x or 58x with such a problem, the main source of trouble is that the levers, which bring the head(s) to the tape do not come back in there stop-state. The lubrication (!) is hardened to a solis mass and has to be removed. Therefor the tape can no longer be ejected nor played. I had the same problem with an 480z and my 580 & 582. On a garage sale here in Holland I saw a 580, which former owner had apperrently the same problem and broke the maschine in such a way, that it hurt to the eyes of a Nakker. It looked as if a truck/SUV has been driving over it. So beware! bart Quoting "Norman C. Witte" : > Tim, thanks for the reply. FF and REW work fine, so I think it's unlikely > that I have a tape wound around the capstan issue as you described. Am I > also correct in surmising that cleaning and lube are probably the issue > here? > > Regards, > > Norm Witte > > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 21 09:38:57 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late Message-ID: Hi Fred, Don't worry too much about getting a Dragon with NAAC specifically. If most of your tapes were made on the Sony, then the rec head azimuth would have been the same with all the tapes made on it. Get a Cassette Deck 1 or a DR-1 (unless you have already!!) and set the azimuth manually (using a couple fo those tapes as references) and you will have a perfect rendition. Listen on head phones for the cleanest, clearest, most open treble. Cheers, Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 01/21/05 02:28AM >>> Hi all, Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC cart. It really was a great combination when the table was professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did not have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a three-head Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best Nak would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. Ah, nostalgia. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 21 10:34:31 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:34:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6318.212.78.164.66.1106300071.squirrel@212.78.164.66> You can also get a deck like a simple 2-headed 480 or LX3 and tweak the playback head azimuth manually to match your Sony Deck;'s. I did this myself to playback old non-Nak tapes on a Nak. I use my 3-head Naks for recording anyway so these 2-head decks i use for this purpose. What you do is playback the tape and adjust the pb-head's azimuth in such a way you can hear the high-tones as good as possible. You must realize that then you mustn't use it for recording anymore, or you must re-adjust the head using a calibration tape. But when i got a Dragon i didn't use this method anymore.. Wouter > Hi Fred, > > Don't worry too much about getting a Dragon with NAAC specifically. If > most of your tapes were made on the Sony, then the rec head azimuth > would have been the same with all the tapes made on it. Get a Cassette > Deck 1 or a DR-1 (unless you have already!!) and set the azimuth > manually (using a couple fo those tapes as references) and you will > have a perfect rendition. Listen on head phones for the cleanest, > clearest, most open treble. > > Cheers, > > Marc > >>>> flifton at mac.com 01/21/05 02:28AM >>> > Hi all, > Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were > recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC > cart. It really was a great combination when the table was > professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been > made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did not > > have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a three-head > > Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic > cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best Nak > > would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to > y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. > Ah, nostalgia. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 21 10:13:13 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:13:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PURCHASING TAPES !! Message-ID: Hi Greg, Here are a few useful links for you to get your teeth into. I can make a brief comment on those I've had dealings with: ************************ http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ KVJ London This is a nice little store with masses of stock in the east end of London. Their prices on line are slightly better than if you walk through the door, although, if you buy in boxes of 10, they will do a deal for you usually. http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ Pricebuster in London central and Harrow These guys are very pleasant to deal with, will export from the Harrow branch. They used to have Maxell XLII-S, by the way, which Mr Bleus will tell you is just about the nicest (and most consistent) type II around. http://www.tapeworld.com/ Tape World https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront Pro Tape UK Good range, the last time I looked, but the prices are not the keenest. http://www.totalmedia.com/ Total Media http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp American Digital They used to have Maxell XLII ....it's a great tape and the price at (I think $0.79 a piece for C-90 is unbeatable) - that's if you buy a case lot. (70 or so). They won't export though. Good luck, Marc >>> "Greg Bauer" 01/21/05 06:24AM >>> Does any one have a good bead on where to purchase audio cassette tapes on line? Greg Bauer The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 12:24:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:24:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late Message-ID: Yea..... Now I'm happy that I can hear 100% perfectly my oldie cassettes THAT were recorded with a NO factory adjusted heads...If I remember well was a Teak 360 which top can hold 6 cassettes and had a large VU yellow color meters...BUY...the earlier owner attempt with the azimuth of the rec/ply head (Was a 2 head model!), so NOW...at least I can hear again 100% perfectly thanks to my lovely Dragon machine! I'm so happy!!!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:57 +0200 > >Hi Fred, > >Don't worry too much about getting a Dragon with NAAC specifically. If >most of your tapes were made on the Sony, then the rec head azimuth >would have been the same with all the tapes made on it. Get a Cassette >Deck 1 or a DR-1 (unless you have already!!) and set the azimuth >manually (using a couple fo those tapes as references) and you will >have a perfect rendition. Listen on head phones for the cleanest, >clearest, most open treble. > >Cheers, > >Marc > > >>> flifton at mac.com 01/21/05 02:28AM >>> >Hi all, >Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were >recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC >cart. It really was a great combination when the table was >professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been >made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did not > >have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a three-head > >Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic >cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best Nak > >would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to >y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. >Ah, nostalgia. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 21 10:28:56 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:28:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! Message-ID: Re the TDK SA, wherever they are from, I have never had a problem, apart from the idiosyncracies specific to SA, which I have learned to manage. If you find life with the current SAs a hard one, then opt for Maxell XLII. Marc >>> cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk 01/21/05 10:24AM >>> I use many the latest SA tapes in Europe, and I presume that this tape is sourced in the EU. Other that a very occasional problems with cases (and that's rare! and I have used 100s!) I find the quality of the SA tape to be just as good and consistent as it has always been! ( its also probably the cheapest better type II tape I have ever used!). Is it possible that the tape sold on the other side of the pond and sourced in the Far East is suspect? Try to get some of the tape I use, its coded SA90EB! Colin Marsh. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] Sent: 20 January 2005 16:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New TDK SA tape's are Horrible!!! I got some of the newer generation TDK SA cassette's and i don't know what TDK did but these things sound horrible,i don't understand that if TDK did'nt change the SA formula why they sound so bad?All my other SA's from the early to late 80's through the early to late 90's sound great but these newer SA's are just bad.They track bad and the high end is really dull,i have to adjust my bias control on all my decks to the extreme negative bias to get any simblance of treble out of them.I just don't think TDK is using the same attention to detail and top notch manufacturing practices as they used to.The packaging say's Tape made in Japan Assembled in Thailand,I live in the USA.Has anyone else noticed the downward spiral in TDK Tape's?Peace,Keith H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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ALEX! >From: "KJ Bleus" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Admin Note..... >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:01:01 -0600 > >Wouter, > >Agree with you, and have 100% support from me on this issue. > >I'm certain there are many others who also feel similarly. > >Best regards, > >Bleus de Nakker >Madison, Wisc USA >Lat 43�04'W, Long 89�24'E > >kjbleus at lycos.com > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:30 +0100 >From: Wouter Heijke >Subject: [naktalk] [ADMIN NOTE] toleration has ended here >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <41F024D6.2090605 at xs4all.nl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >I was catching up with all the posts of the last days. >I must say that i won't tolerate any posts like this again, i will >remove the member from naktalk, no questions asked. >I'm tired of posts like this. I'm a member of several lists on several >topics and have never seen posts like this that ara that off-topic. >So ONLY talk about audio, any post that may cause trouble will be >rejected, and if you don't like the moderators decision, you're out period. > >Now, let's come back to what we are here for. > >Thanks for your attention. > >Wouter > > >------------------------------ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 12:47:13 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:47:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open In-Reply-To: <41F0515C.1000701@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050121114713.885.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> One more issues with old classic nak mechanism is adjustment of CAM to correctly engage on stop play and FF/REW modes. Even if the belt is fine - the setting might have shifted . You need to open the front and service manual in Hand. You have 3 presets inside to correctly set the head block position and CAM position. It is a very easy adjustment but again have the service manual in hand before you attempt - sometimes 480 or ZX 9 or 680 service manuals show the same but the location of preset is different. kannan Tim Barrett wrote: Norm- It would certainly benefit from a clean and lube, but you may need new belts. The 582 has the classic Nakamichi transport with one capstan belt and one control motor belt. The control motor belt is the one that moves the head base up and down. A thorough cleaning of the control motor belt and it's pulleys may make it work for a while, but it's not a permanent fix. Some disassembly of the transport needs to be done to replace the belts. Along with the belts, there is one rubber idler located between the two reel tables which should be cleaned. Replacing these parts, if you can find them, is the best option. Other parts which will benefit from cleaning and lubing are the control cam shaft (the pulley turned by the control belt), the pinch roller bearings, and the capstan bearings. The lubricant tends to get old and stiff (not unlike some of us)(present company excluded, however). If you are reasonably mechanically inclined, and patient, you can do all of this yourself. Tim Norman C. Witte wrote: Tim, thanks for the reply. FF and REW work fine, so I think it's unlikelythat I have a tape wound around the capstan issue as you described. Am Ialso correct in surmising that cleaning and lube are probably the issuehere?Regards,Norm Witte -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]OnBehalf Of Tim BarrettSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:25 PMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] 582 won't openNorm-Most likely the heads have failed to retract, just like you havesurmised. To manually retract the head base, unplug theunit. Take offthe top cover. Look at the back of the transport. On the back rightside of the transport will be a small motor which drives asingle squarecross-section belt. This belt goes around one pulley; this pulley isresponsible for moving the head block and pinch rollers into the playposition. Reach a finger in and turn the pulley; if the headblock goesup then turn the pulley the other way. When you get the head blockfully retracted, try opening the door.If you have the head block fully retracted but the door willstill notopen, you may have a wad of tape wound around a capstan.This doesn'thappen often in Naks, but it can happen. Let's hope it's not that.Tim Barrett, a too skinny guy in FairfaxNorman C. Witte wrote: Hi, I am new to this list as of this morning--so much for lurking forawhile.First question. I recently purchased a 582. It is in very good overall condition, but the cassette door will not open. There is a cassette trapped inside but it will not play. From my looking around, my guess is that the heads are not fully disengaging or engaging--failing to disengage means the door can't open, and failing to engage means that the play mode doesn't work. I assume that a simple clean and lube will fix this. Am I correct? A 581Z I have seen listed for sale seems to have the same problem so I am guessing that this is common.Second question. Where would I find either of the remotes for this deck, the RM-580 or the RM-10? 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Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 12:32:21 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:32:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <41F041E8.5040400@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <01ae01c4ffac$df44c3a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Nice post, Kermit. Pity Stephen Sank isn't around to add his Cent's worth, too, as he's something of a microphone/transducer expert. I believe there was a rather well known ribbon microphone that carries his last name, designed by Stephen's father. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 20 January 2005 23:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > Hi Michael, > > Here’s my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the > Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the > Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or > portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up some > of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you’re patient in > your bidding. I can vouch for these because I‘ve owned them all (or > borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi 550 for > serious professional quality work that went on to be released > commercially. > > > DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big > label" feel. > > * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. > > * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for hardpsichord, > clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile windscreen, meager > rumble suppression. > > * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural > sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use with > the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about > everything. > > * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like > a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. Fragile > windscreen. > > * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like > a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for use with > the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about everything. > > * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff > switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. > > * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff > switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. > > * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. > > * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, > non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 > k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) > > * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) > > * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) > > * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to > rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and > natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. > > * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More > for rock or country, I think. > > * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed only > because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. More for > hard rock, I think. > > * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no presence > peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of > the most accurate microphones ever made yet often overlooked or > ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. > > * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try it > on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. > > * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > Perfect for piano. > > * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > Perfect for piano. > > RIBBON MICROPHONE > * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, > condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the > Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins > or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the > Neumann U87! I know -- I’ve had an U87! Often used on scoring stages in > the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the more > expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with > Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. > > You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES > Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. > Frankly, you’ll do just as well in practice with a choice from the above > list. > > AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; > typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized alkaline > battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic range. Has > that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that characterized > electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural if not used up > close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were stolen. Slighlty too > noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. > > > ~~~~~ > I’m always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording live > music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique > Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. > > N-Joy! > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making a > > zillion dollars. > > I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in > Atlanta, GA USA. > > Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a recommendation > > or two > > from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or possiblly > > a CR-7 > > if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III > coming up, > > it might be > > fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for a > > really > > pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less that > > would do > > an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike (used > > is ok). > > Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? > > Mike > > > > > > Nelson wrote: > > > >>Mike > >> > >>Would you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears a > >>baseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for > Colombine", "Nero and > >>I" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"? > >> > >>Grinham > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>>Behalf Of Michael Moore > >>>Sent: 20 January 2005 14:47 > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk > >>> > >>> > >>>Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been > wearing out my > >>>delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We > >>>support your efforts > >>>to facilitate Nak and related talk. > >>>Mike > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 12:32:27 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:32:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late In-Reply-To: <70C0215A-6B43-11D9-992B-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: <01af01c4ffac$e293a080$a1884c51@oemcomputer> And not necessarily a Nak, either. Don't forget the Pioneers with BLX circuits can bring back to life old recordings made on any tape deck very well and better, in my opinion, than any Nak. Probably the best models to go for, in my view, would be the CTS830S or the CTS730S. They may have different model numbers in some parts of the World. The BLX works extremely well. Fred - if you want to send me a blank tape and one of your old tapes made on the Sony, I'll copy between my Pioneer and the ZX-9, so you can see what I mean. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 21 January 2005 00:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late > > > Hi all, > Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were > recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC > cart. It really was a great combination when the table was > professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been > made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did not > have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a three-head > Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic > cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best Nak > would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to > y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. > Ah, nostalgia. > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 12:32:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:32:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers In-Reply-To: <41F04371.6030001@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <01b501c4ffac$e5391e00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Nice tips! Thanks for that!! I'll try it out on some noisy records. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 20 January 2005 23:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers > > > Hi Gra', > > Nelson wrote: > > You're making me think I should press it into service again, Kermit! > > Good! I'd rather see you get some enjoyment out of it! > > > Not > > sure I'd want to sell it as I suspect it may have some collector value > > because I've got the original box, too! Mind you, a year or so > back I put > > it on eBay with a reserve of just £15 and I didn't get even one bid. In > > fact, hardly anyone bothered to look at it. > > Because they're not well known, alas. > > > > > As I recall (I have a DNL circuit built into an old Aiwa deck), > it was used > > for playback only. I am correct? > > Yes -- BUT it's real advantage is that it can be used to quiet source > material BEFORE you record onto your Nakamichi, like radio broadcasts, > tapes made without noise reduction on lesser-quality decks (like Uhers > or Nagras), TV sound, noisy microphone preamps or mixers, 8-tracks, > noisy LPs, 78s, or 45s (although strong record pops can cause it to open > up prematurely creating "hiss bursts"); and I've found it makes a > passable de-esser in a pinch. > > N-Joy! > > > > > Gra' > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > >>Sent: 20 January 2005 02:54 > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reductions for Nakkers > >> > >> > >>Well, hey there, Gra' > >> > >>Nelson wrote: > >> > >>>I have an original Phillips outboard DNL, with DIN sockets. I > >> > >>don't use it. > >> > >>>Gra' > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 12:32:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:32:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] PURCHASING TAPES !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01b001c4ffac$e3c039a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Try www.arcal.com http://www.worldclasstapes.com/cassettes.php http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront http://www.totalmedia.com/ http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp .... with thanks to Mark for drawing my attention to some of these sources! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: 21 January 2005 04:24 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] PURCHASING TAPES !! Does any one have a good bead on where to purchase audio cassette tapes on line? Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jan 21 14:49:01 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:49:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open In-Reply-To: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> References: <018b01c4ff44$652180d0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Message-ID: <41F1084D.4030401@snet.net> Sounds like hardening of the pivot grease on the capstan shafts. Not always an easy one to repair. Ed Norman C. Witte wrote: >Tim, thanks for the reply. FF and REW work fine, so I think it's unlikely >that I have a tape wound around the capstan issue as you described. Am I >also correct in surmising that cleaning and lube are probably the issue >here? > >Regards, > >Norm Witte > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Tim Barrett >>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:25 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 won't open >> >> >>Norm- >> >>Most likely the heads have failed to retract, just like you have >>surmised. To manually retract the head base, unplug the >>unit. Take off >>the top cover. Look at the back of the transport. On the back right >>side of the transport will be a small motor which drives a >>single square >>cross-section belt. This belt goes around one pulley; this pulley is >>responsible for moving the head block and pinch rollers into the play >>position. Reach a finger in and turn the pulley; if the head >>block goes >>up then turn the pulley the other way. When you get the head block >>fully retracted, try opening the door. >> >>If you have the head block fully retracted but the door will >>still not >>open, you may have a wad of tape wound around a capstan. >>This doesn't >>happen often in Naks, but it can happen. Let's hope it's not that. >> >>Tim Barrett, a too skinny guy in Fairfax >> >> >>Norman C. Witte wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi, I am new to this list as of this morning--so much for lurking for >>>awhile. >>> >>>First question. I recently purchased a 582. It is in very >>> >>> >>good overall >> >> >>>condition, but the cassette door will not open. There is a >>> >>> >>cassette trapped >> >> >>>inside but it will not play. From my looking around, my >>> >>> >>guess is that the >> >> >>>heads are not fully disengaging or engaging--failing to >>> >>> >>disengage means the >> >> >>>door can't open, and failing to engage means that the play >>> >>> >>mode doesn't >> >> >>>work. I assume that a simple clean and lube will fix this. >>> >>> >>Am I correct? >> >> >>>A 581Z I have seen listed for sale seems to have the same >>> >>> >>problem so I am >> >> >>>guessing that this is common. >>> >>>Second question. Where would I find either of the remotes >>> >>> >>for this deck, >> >> >>>the RM-580 or the RM-10? Are these made out of unobtainium? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Norm Witte, slightly rotund guy from Lansing >>> >>>========----------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>----========= >> >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========----------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>----========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>> >>> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jan 21 14:55:40 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:55:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <01ae01c4ffac$df44c3a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <01ae01c4ffac$df44c3a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41F109DC.6060600@snet.net> Stephen's dad worked for RCA and designed several ribbon mics for them, although not the 44 or 77! Stephen was actualy quite fond of the not so well known B&O ribbon mics from years ago. Ed Nelson wrote: >Nice post, Kermit. > >Pity Stephen Sank isn't around to add his Cent's worth, too, as he's >something of a microphone/transducer expert. I believe there was a rather >well known ribbon microphone that carries his last name, designed by >Stephen's father. > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: 20 January 2005 23:43 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks >> >> >>Hi Michael, >> >>Here's my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the >>Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the >>Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or >>portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up some >>of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you're patient in >>your bidding. I can vouch for these because I've owned them all (or >>borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi 550 for >>serious professional quality work that went on to be released >>commercially. >> >> >>DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big >>label" feel. >> >>* AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. >> >>* AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my >>most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for hardpsichord, >>clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile windscreen, meager >>rumble suppression. >> >>* AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural >>sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use with >>the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about >>everything. >> >>* AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like >>a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. Fragile >>windscreen. >> >>* AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like >>a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for use with >>the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about everything. >> >>* AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff >>switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. >> >>* AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff >>switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. >> >>* Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. >> >>* ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, >>bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble >>above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. >> >>* ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, >>bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble >>above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. >> >>* ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, >>non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 >>k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. >> >>* ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) >> >>* ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) >> >>* ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) >> >>* Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to >>rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and >>natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. >> >>* Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More >>for rock or country, I think. >> >>* Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed only >>because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. More for >>hard rock, I think. >> >>* Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no presence >>peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of >>the most accurate microphones ever made yet often overlooked or >>ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. >> >>* Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my >>most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try it >>on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. >> >>* Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. >>Perfect for piano. >> >>* Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. >>Perfect for piano. >> >>RIBBON MICROPHONE >>* Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, >>condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the >>Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins >>or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the >>Neumann U87! I know -- I've had an U87! Often used on scoring stages in >>the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the more >>expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with >>Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. >> >>You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES >>Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. >>Frankly, you'll do just as well in practice with a choice from the above >>list. >> >>AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; >>typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized alkaline >>battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic range. Has >>that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that characterized >>electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural if not used up >>close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were stolen. Slighlty too >>noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. >> >> >>~~~~~ >>I'm always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording live >>music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. >> >>BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique >>Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. >> >>N-Joy! >> >> >>Michael Moore wrote: >> >> >>>No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making a >>>zillion dollars. >>>I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in >>> >>> >>Atlanta, GA USA. >> >> >>>Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a recommendation >>>or two >>>from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or possiblly >>>a CR-7 >>>if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III >>> >>> >>coming up, >> >> >>>it might be >>>fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for a >>>really >>>pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less that >>>would do >>>an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike (used >>>is ok). >>>Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? >>>Mike >>> >>> >>>Nelson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>Would you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears a >>>>baseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for >>>> >>>> >>Colombine", "Nero and >> >> >>>>I" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"? >>>> >>>>Grinham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>>Behalf Of Michael Moore >>>>>Sent: 20 January 2005 14:47 >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been >>>>> >>>>> >>wearing out my >> >> >>>>>delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We >>>>>support your efforts >>>>>to facilitate Nak and related talk. >>>>>Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========-------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>-========= >> >> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========-------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>-========= >> >> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>========-------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>-========= >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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" > >Okay - so they are all off my shopping list!! > >Gra' > > ><< winmail.dat >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:10:42 2005 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:10:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PURCHASING TAPES !! 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URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 21 15:13:16 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:13:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late Message-ID: Hi Gra' This is an amazing curcuit - FLEX - I think it is. Graham, are you combining BLE and FLEX? Maybe it SHOULD be combined!! Actually, Pioneer amuses me with its acronyms - Super Auto BLE XD. FLEX....?? CD Synchro? Yes please. Was that with the extra fries? JVC had to be seen to be believed. They made up acronyms for each model it seemed. The wrote them out longhand on the front of the machine. If the handbook for the TD-1050TN (a rather nice deck by the way) hadn't been in 12 languages, it would have had less verbiage on it than the control panel. Kenwood wasn't far behind. You know Gra' I think the more advanced CT-S ('95-2000) models were hardly (if at all) distributed in the Americas. They got the twin decks with digital noise reduction and the only single deck Pioneers were the Elites - and for those you had to hunt. Anyway, I have to admit, FLEX is a revelation. It apparently restores the 1>f frequency curve that typifies all music. I think if you took him up on the offer, Fred, (a transfer of an elderly tape from CT-S830S to ZX-9) you would be quite pleasantly surprised. Good luck. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/21/05 01:32PM >>> And not necessarily a Nak, either. Don't forget the Pioneers with BLX circuits can bring back to life old recordings made on any tape deck very well and better, in my opinion, than any Nak. Probably the best models to go for, in my view, would be the CTS830S or the CTS730S. They may have different model numbers in some parts of the World. The BLX works extremely well. Fred - if you want to send me a blank tape and one of your old tapes made on the Sony, I'll copy between my Pioneer and the ZX-9, so you can see what I mean. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 21 January 2005 00:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late > > > Hi all, > Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were > recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC > cart. It really was a great combination when the table was > professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been > made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did not > have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a three-head > Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic > cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best Nak > would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to > y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. > Ah, nostalgia. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 14:59:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:59:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <41F109DC.6060600@snet.net> Message-ID: <01dd01c4ffc1$5c696ac0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Ah yes! I'd forgotten that. Of course, what folk sometimes forget is that, quote apart from Nak's (and McIntosh), a large part of Stephen's business is repairing (and selling) microphones, hence the name of his business - The Talking Dog Transducer Company. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 21 January 2005 13:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks Stephen's dad worked for RCA and designed several ribbon mics for them, although not the 44 or 77! Stephen was actualy quite fond of the not so well known B&O ribbon mics from years ago. Ed Nelson wrote: Nice post, Kermit. Pity Stephen Sank isn't around to add his Cent's worth, too, as he's something of a microphone/transducer expert. I believe there was a rather well known ribbon microphone that carries his last name, designed by Stephen's father. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 20 January 2005 23:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks Hi Michael, Here’s my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up some of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you’re patient in your bidding. I can vouch for these because I‘ve owned them all (or borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi 550 for serious professional quality work that went on to be released commercially. DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big label" feel. * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for hardpsichord, clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile windscreen, meager rumble suppression. * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about everything. * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. Fragile windscreen. * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about everything. * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More for rock or country, I think. * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed only because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. More for hard rock, I think. * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no presence peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of the most accurate microphones ever made yet often overlooked or ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try it on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. Perfect for piano. * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. Perfect for piano. RIBBON MICROPHONE * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the Neumann U87! I know -- I’ve had an U87! Often used on scoring stages in the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the more expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. Frankly, you’ll do just as well in practice with a choice from the above list. AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized alkaline battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic range. Has that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that characterized electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural if not used up close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were stolen. Slighlty too noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. ~~~~~ I’m always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording live music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. N-Joy! Michael Moore wrote: No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making a zillion dollars. I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in Atlanta, GA USA. Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a recommendation or two from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or possiblly a CR-7 if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III coming up, it might be fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for a really pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less that would do an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike (used is ok). Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? Mike Nelson wrote: Mike Would you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears a baseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for Colombine", "Nero and I" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: 20 January 2005 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been wearing out my delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We support your efforts to facilitate Nak and related talk. 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URL: From ncwitte at wittelaw.com Fri Jan 21 15:15:07 2005 From: ncwitte at wittelaw.com (Norman C. Witte) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:15:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 won't open In-Reply-To: <1106296440.41f0be7847fe8@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <01e901c4ffc3$9cb093e0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Bart, thanks. I bought the deck on eBay from the original owner and when the door wouldn't open, he just gave up on it, thank goodness. I did pull the cover and it looked pristine inside. I took it to a local audio repair shop to have it cleaned, but told them to at all costs NOT adjust the heads. So we will see what happens. I followed the link below, but being the ugly mono-linguistic American, I'm afraid it wasn't much use to me. My wife is of Dutch ancestry but she's a monoglot like me. Speaking of garage sales, my other Nak is a 700 II Tri-Tracer. It has the remote, works great, and except for the cover on the eq button (which I am trying to purchase) it's cosmetically flawless. Price: $1.50 U.S. Not the worst you could do. Norm > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of bart honhoff > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:34 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 won't open > > > Hi Norman, > > You hit the problem, which is clearly descibed by one of the > Dutch contributors > of Naks.com, mr. Henk Schenk, on his website. > (http://www.audiofriends.nl/audiofriends) > > If you use p.e. an 48x or 58x with such a problem, the main > source of trouble > is that the levers, which bring the head(s) to the tape do > not come back in > there stop-state. The lubrication (!) is hardened to a solis > mass and has to be > removed. Therefor the tape can no longer be ejected nor played. > > I had the same problem with an 480z and my 580 & 582. > > On a garage sale here in Holland I saw a 580, which former owner had > apperrently the same problem and broke the maschine in such a > way, that it hurt > to the eyes of a Nakker. It looked as if a truck/SUV has been > driving over it. > So beware! > > bart > > Quoting "Norman C. Witte" : > > > Tim, thanks for the reply. FF and REW work fine, so I > think it's unlikely > > that I have a tape wound around the capstan issue as you > described. Am I > > also correct in surmising that cleaning and lube are > probably the issue > > here? > > > > Regards, > > > > Norm Witte > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Jan 21 15:26:43 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:26:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <01b501c4ffac$e5391e00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <41F04371.6030001@woods-and-waters.com> <01b501c4ffac$e5391e00$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121092225.019879a8@psulias.psu.edu> Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" evidently did not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying to resolve the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler gear? Rev Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind works for about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape counter stuck on 0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. Record works. Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the CR series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators as to what is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Jan 21 15:43:33 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:43:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks References: <01ae01c4ffac$df44c3a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> <41F109DC.6060600@snet.net> Message-ID: <006901c4ffc7$95a4d940$2f7c8451@compaq> For background and extra info check out www.ribbonmics.com There are some very informative down loads in the "library" section. Thank you, Judge Wouter for bringing the politico's to order ! Enjoy Terry P.S.Anybody out there got a elegant solution to powering the CM300's now that you can't get the Sony 7MR9(h-7D, 9.45v Battery? Terry Finn Affinity Audio Ltd. mobile: +44 (0) 7966 131998 email: terry at affinityaudio.com www.affinityaudio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks Stephen's dad worked for RCA and designed several ribbon mics for them, although not the 44 or 77! Stephen was actualy quite fond of the not so well known B&O ribbon mics from years ago. Ed Nelson wrote: Nice post, Kermit. Pity Stephen Sank isn't around to add his Cent's worth, too, as he's something of a microphone/transducer expert. I believe there was a rather well known ribbon microphone that carries his last name, designed by Stephen's father. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 20 January 2005 23:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks Hi Michael, Here's my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up some of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you're patient in your bidding. I can vouch for these because I've owned them all (or borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi 550 for serious professional quality work that went on to be released commercially. DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big label" feel. * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for hardpsichord, clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile windscreen, meager rumble suppression. * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about everything. * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. Fragile windscreen. * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds like a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about everything. * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More for rock or country, I think. * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed only because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. More for hard rock, I think. * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no presence peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of the most accurate microphones ever made yet often overlooked or ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try it on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. Perfect for piano. * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. Perfect for piano. RIBBON MICROPHONE * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the Neumann U87! I know -- I've had an U87! Often used on scoring stages in the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the more expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. Frankly, you'll do just as well in practice with a choice from the above list. AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized alkaline battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic range. Has that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that characterized electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural if not used up close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were stolen. Slighlty too noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. ~~~~~ I'm always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording live music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. N-Joy! Michael Moore wrote: No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making a zillion dollars. I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in Atlanta, GA USA. Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a recommendation or two from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or possiblly a CR-7 if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III coming up, it might be fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for a really pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less that would do an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike (used is ok). Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? Mike Nelson wrote: Mike Would you happen to be a slightly rotund guy from Flint that wears a baseball cap and makes movies, like "Nakamichi's for Colombine", "Nero and I" or the oscar winner, "Farenheit Nakamichi"? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: 20 January 2005 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Thanks you Wouter for this very timely reminder. I've been wearing out my delete key the past few weeks trying to get to the on topic posts. We support your efforts to facilitate Nak and related talk. 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URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 21 15:44:06 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:44:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <41F041E8.5040400@woods-and-waters.com> References: <00f901c4ff07$3bbccf20$a1884c51@oemcomputer> <41EFD953.1030304@bellsouth.net> <41F041E8.5040400@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <41F11536.7000908@bellsouth.net> Excellent information, Kermit. I would like (and don't have) a copy of the Nak 3-mike Stereo Technique Booklet. If you could email it in PDF format to me directly, or post it somewhere, I would be most appreciative. I think I'll pursue one of the dynamic mics you mentioned to avoid the need for phantom power. Of the mics you mentioned as being your most favorite for use with the Nak 550, namely, the AKG D190E, D200E, D224E and theBeyer M260N, Do you have an order of preference (price not withstanding) for recording music at a distance (concert hall, small) as well as voice at a distance (speaker at podium) and close acoustic instrument recording? Which might have the widest range (frequency response)? Which quietest? Is a fragile windscreen a big negative? Is a base roll-off switch desirable--why? Do you have any book you recommend for an overall primer for good recording technique? I hope I haven't bothered you with too many questions. If you think this is too specialized information for the group in general, you are welcome to email me directly. If you think the group would like to share your abundance of knowledge on this subject (I think so), post your reply to the group. Many, Many Thanks, Mike Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Here’s my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the > Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the > Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or > portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up > some of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you’re > patient in your bidding. I can vouch for these because I‘ve owned them > all (or borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi > 550 for serious professional quality work that went on to be released > commercially. > > > DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big label" > feel. > > * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. > > * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for > hardpsichord, clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile > windscreen, meager rumble suppression. > > * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural > sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use > with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about > everything. > > * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds > like a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. > Fragile windscreen. > > * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds > like a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for > use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about > everything. > > * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff > switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. > > * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass > rolloff switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. > > * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. > > * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, > non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 > k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) > > * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) > > * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) > > * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to > rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and > natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. > > * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More > for rock or country, I think. > > * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed > only because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. > More for hard rock, I think. > > * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no > presence peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi > 550! One of the most accurate microphones ever made yet often > overlooked or ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. > > * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try > it on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. > > * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > Perfect for piano. > > * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > Perfect for piano. > > RIBBON MICROPHONE > * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, > condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the > Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins > or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the > Neumann U87! I know -- I’ve had an U87! Often used on scoring stages > in the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the > more expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with > Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. > > You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES > Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. > Frankly, you’ll do just as well in practice with a choice from the > above list. > > AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; > typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized > alkaline battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic > range. Has that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that > characterized electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural > if not used up close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were > stolen. Slighlty too noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. > > > ~~~~~ > I’m always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording > live music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique > Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. > > N-Joy! > > > Michael Moore wrote: > >> No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making >> a zillion dollars. >> I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in Atlanta, GA >> USA. >> Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a >> recommendation or two >> from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or >> possiblly a CR-7 >> if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III coming >> up, it might be >> fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for >> a really >> pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less >> that would do >> an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike >> (used is ok). >> Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? >> Mike >> >> >> Nelson wrote: >> > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 15:44:25 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:44:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01f101c4ffc7$b3cc4520$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Quite right, Mark - thanks for correcting me!! I'm a confused idiot at the moment with a memory like a sieve. FLEX is what I meant ... (Is there a veterinary in the audience? I'd like to be "put down ..." ) Gosh! I hope this Pioneer recommendation isn't too far off topic!! <> I recall one fellow who left the NakList in a fit of pique a couple or so years ago, parting with a rant about how daft some of the members were for insisting the Nak's were THE best, and how his CTS830S, with Dolby S, could outperform any of the Nak's ... Actually, I kept in touch with him for a while and he sent me a rather special recording using Dolby S. Have to say that was THE best cassette recordings I had heard up till that point ... And then one of our members sent me a copy of a recording of an orchestra he's made live using one of his Nak's ... and THAT is now my very finest cassette recording. (You know who you are and I'm not going to blow your cover!!) I always wondered about the Pioneer digital noise reduction on the later decks. I read some rave reviews about it and have heard good things said by some folk who have used it, too, but I have always wondered if something is lost in that process of transferring from analogue into digital and back again. Perhaps if MD and CD/R hadn't come along to beggar the cassette market, we may have seen some innovative designs that would have taken that technology further ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: 21 January 2005 14:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late > > > Hi Gra' > > This is an amazing curcuit - FLEX - I think it is. Graham, are you > combining BLE and FLEX? Maybe it SHOULD be combined!! Actually, > Pioneer amuses me with its acronyms - Super Auto BLE XD. FLEX....?? CD > Synchro? Yes please. Was that with the extra fries? JVC had to be > seen to be believed. They made up acronyms for each model it seemed. > The wrote them out longhand on the front of the machine. If the > handbook for the TD-1050TN (a rather nice deck by the way) hadn't been > in 12 languages, it would have had less verbiage on it than the control > panel. Kenwood wasn't far behind. > > You know Gra' I think the more advanced CT-S ('95-2000) models were > hardly (if at all) distributed in the Americas. They got the twin decks > with digital noise reduction and the only single deck Pioneers were the > Elites - and for those you had to hunt. > > Anyway, I have to admit, FLEX is a revelation. It apparently restores > the 1>f frequency curve that typifies all music. I think if you took > him up on the offer, Fred, (a transfer of an elderly tape from CT-S830S > to ZX-9) you would be quite pleasantly surprised. Good luck. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/21/05 01:32PM >>> > And not necessarily a Nak, either. Don't forget the Pioneers with BLX > circuits can bring back to life old recordings made on any tape deck > very > well and better, in my opinion, than any Nak. Probably the best models > to > go for, in my view, would be the CTS830S or the CTS730S. They may > have > different model numbers in some parts of the World. The BLX works > extremely > well. > > Fred - if you want to send me a blank tape and one of your old tapes > made on > the Sony, I'll copy between my Pioneer and the ZX-9, so you can see > what I > mean. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > > Sent: 21 January 2005 00:29 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late > > > > > > Hi all, > > Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were > > recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC > > cart. It really was a great combination when the table was > > professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been > > made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did > not > > have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a > three-head > > Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic > > cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best > Nak > > would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to > > y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. > > Ah, nostalgia. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include > one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for > the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, > distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any > action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender > by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments > from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no > viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for > any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 15:56:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:56:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121092225.019879a8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <01fd01c4ffc9$72abfd40$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Damn! What is it with some of these sellers? Best of luck with getting some redress/compensation. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 21 January 2005 14:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems > > > Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" evidently did > not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying to resolve > the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler > gear? Rev > Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind works for > about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape > counter stuck on > 0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. > Record works. > > Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the CR > series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators > as to what > is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. > > From b4uer at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 18:45:43 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:45:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121092225.019879a8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 21 20:17:11 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:17:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121092225.019879a8@psulias.psu.edu> from "Derrick Beckner" at Jan 21, 2005 09:26:43 AM Message-ID: <20050121191711.39CA718A40@smtp.amb.org> Derrick Beckner writes: > Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" evidently did > not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying to resolve > the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler gear? Rev > Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind works for > about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape counter stuck on > 0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. Record works. It does sound like the idler tire is in need of replacement. > Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the CR > series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators as to what > is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. Yeah, you need a bright light shining on the front panel... :) -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 21 20:43:16 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:43:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Thanks] Message-ID: <41F15B54.6050203@xs4all.nl> I removed this person from the list. Wouter. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:26:43 -0500 > >Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" evidently did >not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying to resolve >the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler gear? Rev >Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind works for >about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape counter stuck on >0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. Record works. > >Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the CR >series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators as to what >is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 17:40:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:40:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] PURCHASING TAPES !! In-Reply-To: <01b001c4ffac$e3c039a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <020601c4ffd7$ddf6b140$a1884c51@oemcomputer> May also be worth looking @ www.tapecity.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkunst at C-K.com Fri Jan 21 20:43:27 2005 From: rkunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:43:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. In-Reply-To: <01fd01c4ffc9$72abfd40$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hello Naksters! I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be helpful. Thanks, Ray From ti at amb.org Fri Jan 21 20:54:23 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:54:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: from "Alex Cozac" at Jan 21, 2005 07:43:22 PM Message-ID: <20050121195423.9C28F17E0F@smtp.amb.org> Alex Cozac writes: > Shalom Derrick! > > If...you look very carefully inside, after that you open the cassette > holder, you must see a rubber belt that works for the counter...I really > have the same machine..BUT...seem me that your belt is out > functional...break...and wait to another member of our lovely group, for > further advice or information...IF you can't see it...I'm sure that this is > ONE of the reasons why refrain to work! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! I think if the belt is broken then forward play and fast forward wouldn't work either. The auto-stop mechanism would halt the playback fairly quickly at the lack of any counter wheel "motion". I suppose it's possible that the belt isn't broken, but just loose enough to slip in one direction but not the other... -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Jan 21 21:20:09 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:20:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <01fd01c4ffc9$72abfd40$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121092225.019879a8@psulias.psu.edu> <01fd01c4ffc9$72abfd40$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121150744.01a8b1f0@psulias.psu.edu> Actually he's a standup guy. He called me directly after I emailed him and offered to pay for the repair bills. Talked about audio for a good half-hour or so, and the guy has an amazing set up. Quad amped (Levison) Genesis Grands (of which he had two pair, just sold the other). Offered to have me come down and hear them, but I don't have the time. Maybe some time... At 09:56 AM 1/21/2005, you wrote: >Damn! What is it with some of these sellers? Best of luck with getting >some redress/compensation. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > > Sent: 21 January 2005 14:27 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems > > > > > > Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" evidently did > > not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying to resolve > > the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler > > gear? Rev > > Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind works for > > about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape > > counter stuck on > > 0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. > > Record works. > > > > Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the CR > > series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators > > as to what > > is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Jan 21 21:47:32 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:47:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20050121195423.9C28F17E0F@smtp.amb.org> References: <20050121195423.9C28F17E0F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121154654.01a99040@psulias.psu.edu> Boy, I hope that's all it is. The counter doesn't work in either direction however. >I think if the belt is broken then forward play and fast forward >wouldn't work either. The auto-stop mechanism would halt the playback >fairly quickly at the lack of any counter wheel "motion". I suppose >it's possible that the belt isn't broken, but just loose enough to >slip in one direction but not the other... > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 22:11:40 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:11:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121154654.01a99040@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050121211140.91191.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Dragon has two counters or motion sensors ( CR 7 also has two and no other Nak has two sensors - I suppose except RX 505 ? ) since the supply reel in Forward works as take up in Reverse. If the second sensor ( an optical one on top of the DD motors unlike the one connected by a belt it is driven by the reel - if the bulb is gone and loss of light can cause this problem- You have to remove the front panel to look in to the top ?) does not sense then reverse play or rewind both will not work - forward motion will work. this could be even due to some wires getting cut or a lose connector even if the sensor wheel rotates. Probably it may be an issue due to jerky transportation from the seller. Get hold of Dragon service manual and try to trouble shoot. Wish you succes kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: Boy, I hope that's all it is. The counter doesn't work in either direction however. >I think if the belt is broken then forward play and fast forward >wouldn't work either. The auto-stop mechanism would halt the playback >fairly quickly at the lack of any counter wheel "motion". I suppose >it's possible that the belt isn't broken, but just loose enough to >slip in one direction but not the other... > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 22:06:12 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:06:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <006901c4ffc7$95a4d940$2f7c8451@compaq> Message-ID: <20050121210612.30834.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com> I believe that Mr. Sank mentioned a while (a long while) ago that he can mod one or more of the Nak mics to use phantom power (unsure of which models). I was working on trying to mod a Teac mic a while back for phantom power, but, couldn't because the transformer lacked a center tap that is required to do phantom powering. It too used the hard to get and expensive batteries similar to what the CM-300 uses. If you go to Shure you can download the manuals to most of the mics and they frequently have the schematics. Get a few that use phantom power and you can quickly see how phantom power is used and then you can see if your CM-300 can be mod'd. SJ --- Terry Finn wrote: > For background and extra info check out > www.ribbonmics.com > > There are some very informative down loads in the "library" > section. > > Thank you, Judge Wouter for bringing the politico's to order ! > > Enjoy > > Terry > > P.S.Anybody out there got a elegant solution to powering the > CM300's now that > you can't get the Sony 7MR9(h-7D, 9.45v Battery? > > Terry Finn > Affinity Audio Ltd. > mobile: +44 (0) 7966 131998 > email: terry at affinityaudio.com > www.affinityaudio.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Edward Noyes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > Stephen's dad worked for RCA and designed several ribbon mics for > them, although not the 44 or 77! Stephen was actualy quite fond of > the not so well known B&O ribbon mics from years ago. > > Ed > > Nelson wrote: > > Nice post, Kermit. > > Pity Stephen Sank isn't around to add his Cent's worth, too, as > he's > something of a microphone/transducer expert. I believe there was a > rather > well known ribbon microphone that carries his last name, designed > by > Stephen's father. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 20 January 2005 23:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > Hi Michael, > > Here's my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with > the > Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the > Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps > or > portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up > some > of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you're patient > in > your bidding. I can vouch for these because I've owned them all (or > borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi 550 for > serious professional quality work that went on to be released > commercially. > > > DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big > label" feel. > > * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. > > * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for > hardpsichord, > clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile windscreen, > meager > rumble suppression. > > * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural > sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use > with > the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about > everything. > > * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds > like > a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. > Fragile > windscreen. > > * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds > like > a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for use > with > the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about > everything. > > * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass > rolloff > switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. > > * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass > rolloff > switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. > > * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. > > * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, > treble > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, > treble > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, > non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above > 13 > k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) > > * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) > > * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) > > * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to > rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and > natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. > > * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. > More > for rock or country, I think. > > * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed > only > because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. More > for > hard rock, I think. > > * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no > presence > peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! One > of > the most accurate microphones ever made yet often overlooked or > ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. > > * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. > Try it > on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits > forever. > > * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > Perfect for piano. > > * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > Perfect for piano. > > RIBBON MICROPHONE > * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, > condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the > Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with > violins > or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the > Neumann U87! I know -- I've had an U87! Often used on scoring > stages in > the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the > more > expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with > Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. > > You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES > Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom > power. > Frankly, you'll do just as well in practice with a choice from the > above > list. > > AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; > typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized > alkaline > battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic range. > Has > that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that > characterized > electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural if not used > up > close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were stolen. > Slighlty too > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From ncwitte at wittelaw.com Fri Jan 21 22:10:11 2005 From: ncwitte at wittelaw.com (Norman C. Witte) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:10:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies Message-ID: <021801c4fffd$98d744f0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Thanks to all those who contributed replies to my 582 questions. I have printed them all to go over with my technician and appreciate the prompt feedback. I also found the info on cassette retailers useful. I take it that metal type IV tapes are no longer available? I have been out of the cassette world for some time and am in the process of putting together five vintage setups--one for each of my kids, and one for yours truly. One other question that comes to mind about tapes: am I safe to assume that the Maxell XL II is the successor to the UDXL II that I knew and loved back in college? Are these tapes still decent? I am also on a list for Corvair owners and believe me, the OFF TOPIC issue is not a unique problem, unfortunately. Regards, Norm Witte From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 21 22:51:18 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:51:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Info from NEC on the uPD 546 chip Message-ID: <41F17956.9040600@xs4all.nl> Here is the pdf document provided by Victor, i've added it to the support site: http://support.naks.com/nec/upd546(547).pdf Wouter >Attached is a document (catalog pages) I got from NEC yesterda for the >uPD546 chip. > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jan 21 22:54:36 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:54:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D832@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Norm. Yes the metal tapes are very hard to find in the retail stores these days but you can try e-bay, I've purchased quite a lot of metal tapes and at good prices. It's good that you are building up these setups for your kids, I'm thinking of doing the same for mine too. Yes the old Maxell UDXL II are now XL II, I have a small stash of these old beauties and they still kick butt, the new XL II are also killer. BTW and excuse my ignorance but what is a Corvair? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Norman C. Witte [mailto:ncwitte at wittelaw.com] Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 8:10 AM To: Naktalk (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies Thanks to all those who contributed replies to my 582 questions. I have printed them all to go over with my technician and appreciate the prompt feedback. I also found the info on cassette retailers useful. I take it that metal type IV tapes are no longer available? I have been out of the cassette world for some time and am in the process of putting together five vintage setups--one for each of my kids, and one for yours truly. One other question that comes to mind about tapes: am I safe to assume that the Maxell XL II is the successor to the UDXL II that I knew and loved back in college? Are these tapes still decent? I am also on a list for Corvair owners and believe me, the OFF TOPIC issue is not a unique problem, unfortunately. Regards, Norm Witte ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jan 21 23:11:20 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:11:20 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D833@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Ti I think you hit the nail on the head, this is exactly what I was thinking too. It makes sense that it would be a loose belt for the reel sensor. Derrick can you try this for me, turn on your dragon and open the cassette door, with your fingers move the take up reel (the one on the right) and take a look at the counter, does the counter count up when you move the reel anti-clockwise? Does it move when you turn it clockwise? Get back to me because I may have a replacement belt that I can give you for nothing. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: ti at amb.org [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 6:54 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems Alex Cozac writes: > Shalom Derrick! > > If...you look very carefully inside, after that you open the cassette > holder, you must see a rubber belt that works for the counter...I really > have the same machine..BUT...seem me that your belt is out > functional...break...and wait to another member of our lovely group, for > further advice or information...IF you can't see it...I'm sure that this is > ONE of the reasons why refrain to work! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! I think if the belt is broken then forward play and fast forward wouldn't work either. The auto-stop mechanism would halt the playback fairly quickly at the lack of any counter wheel "motion". I suppose it's possible that the belt isn't broken, but just loose enough to slip in one direction but not the other... -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 21 22:30:22 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:30:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies In-Reply-To: <021801c4fffd$98d744f0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> References: <021801c4fffd$98d744f0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Message-ID: <41F1746E.1050802@cox.net> CORVAIRS!!!! Pardon me please, for just a moment while I express and OT admiration for Corvairs. I've owned only one, and it was plain vanilla, but it is one of my favorite of all of the cars I've owned. And I seem to have owned more than my fair share of cars. We can go back to our regularly scheduled program now. Norman C. Witte wrote: >Thanks to all those who contributed replies to my 582 questions. I have >printed them all to go over with my technician and appreciate the prompt >feedback. I also found the info on cassette retailers useful. I take it >that metal type IV tapes are no longer available? I have been out of the >cassette world for some time and am in the process of putting together five >vintage setups--one for each of my kids, and one for yours truly. One other >question that comes to mind about tapes: am I safe to assume that the >Maxell XL II is the successor to the UDXL II that I knew and loved back in >college? Are these tapes still decent? > >I am also on a list for Corvair owners and believe me, the OFF TOPIC issue >is not a unique problem, unfortunately. > >Regards, > >Norm Witte > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 22:16:20 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:16:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121150744.01a8b1f0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <023101c4fffe$74024b60$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Excellent!!! I should not jump to conclusions quite so fast ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 21 January 2005 20:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems > > > Actually he's a standup guy. He called me directly after I > emailed him and > offered to pay for the repair bills. Talked about audio for a good > half-hour or so, and the guy has an amazing set up. Quad amped (Levison) > Genesis Grands (of which he had two pair, just sold the other). > Offered to > have me come down and hear them, but I don't have the time. > Maybe some time... > > At 09:56 AM 1/21/2005, you wrote: > >Damn! What is it with some of these sellers? Best of luck with getting > >some redress/compensation. > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > > > Sent: 21 January 2005 14:27 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems > > > > > > > > > Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" > evidently did > > > not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying > to resolve > > > the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler > > > gear? Rev > > > Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind > works for > > > about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape > > > counter stuck on > > > 0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. > > > Record works. > > > > > > Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow > compared to the CR > > > series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators > > > as to what > > > is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 21 23:03:51 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:03:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Mics In-Reply-To: <200501211946.j0LJkpeu023517@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501211946.j0LJkpeu023517@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <55A5519E-6BF8-11D9-9A5E-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Hi Kermit, I second that, that was enormously informative. Couldn't help but notice you don't mention the old workhorse Shure SM-58. Too rock and roll for your tastes? I too would love to see the Nak 3-Point technique booklet. Do you have a preferred method/gear recommendation for getting Mic input into Naks without Mic preamps? I have a very, very modest Micromix mic pre-amp with an unbalanced (ie, phono) output that I use to amplify myself and my acoustic guitar on my little Fender practice amp. My atrocious playing and worse singing is unlikely to win many fans if recorded for Marathon purposes, but I would love to make some tapes for playback in hopes that I can overcome my lack of talent through practice. best to all, Fred > > Nelson wrote: > > Nice post, Kermit. > > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique > Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. > > N-Joy! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 970 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 22:53:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:53:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <20050121210612.30834.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023901c50003$b5f102a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> 'Scuse my ignorance, but what is phantom power? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 21 January 2005 21:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > I believe that Mr. Sank mentioned a while (a long while) ago that he > can mod one or more of the Nak mics to use phantom power (unsure of > which models). > > I was working on trying to mod a Teac mic a while back for phantom > power, but, couldn't because the transformer lacked a center tap that > is required to do phantom powering. It too used the hard to get and > expensive batteries similar to what the CM-300 uses. > > If you go to Shure you can download the manuals to most of the mics > and they frequently have the schematics. Get a few that use phantom > power and you can quickly see how phantom power is used and then you > can see if your CM-300 can be mod'd. > > SJ > > > From ncwitte at wittelaw.com Fri Jan 21 23:19:03 2005 From: ncwitte at wittelaw.com (Norman C. Witte) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:19:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D832@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <023201c50007$3793c790$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Tom, thanks for the replies. I notice that my old recordings don't sound that great, but then I was using a bottom-of-the-line Technics deck. Can't imagine that had a thing to do with it. Regards, Norm www.wittelaw.com/personal > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:55 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 replies > > > Hi Norm. Yes the metal tapes are very hard to find in the > retail stores > these days but you can try e-bay, I've purchased quite a lot > of metal tapes > and at good prices. It's good that you are building up these > setups for your > kids, I'm thinking of doing the same for mine too. Yes the > old Maxell UDXL > II are now XL II, I have a small stash of these old beauties > and they still > kick butt, the new XL II are also killer. BTW and excuse my > ignorance but > what is a Corvair? > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman C. Witte [mailto:ncwitte at wittelaw.com] > Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 8:10 AM > To: Naktalk (E-mail) > Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies > > > Thanks to all those who contributed replies to my 582 > questions. I have > printed them all to go over with my technician and appreciate > the prompt > feedback. I also found the info on cassette retailers > useful. I take it > that metal type IV tapes are no longer available? I have > been out of the > cassette world for some time and am in the process of putting > together five > vintage setups--one for each of my kids, and one for yours > truly. One other > question that comes to mind about tapes: am I safe to assume that the > Maxell XL II is the successor to the UDXL II that I knew and > loved back in > college? Are these tapes still decent? > > I am also on a list for Corvair owners and believe me, the > OFF TOPIC issue > is not a unique problem, unfortunately. > > Regards, > > Norm Witte > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 21 23:03:38 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:03:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 replies In-Reply-To: <021801c4fffd$98d744f0$6801a8c0@wittelaw.local> Message-ID: <023a01c50005$0fc91500$a1884c51@oemcomputer> 1 No, some metals can be found still but I don't suppose there'll be any left in shops/stores by the end of the year! 2 UDXL II - a fine tape still ... or at least, for as long as you can still buy 'em! 3 Yup - off topic can be a problem anywhere! Wouter may hit me for saying this, but I don't think drifting over the line is so much the problem as how long one stays off topic and especially how people behave towards each other when they've crossed that line ... Just as how people behave when they are ON topic can be a problem, too! We've had the occasional hooligan who stayed on topic but still managed to upset everyone by their aggressive and hostile posts. (Remember Raaayyymond?!) Robust debates are fine but slanging matches ... they can, and should, be taken off List. Gra' > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Jan 21 23:26:55 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:26:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121172533.01b15dc8@psulias.psu.edu> I already took it into the shop. I've fixed a couple decks in my day, but I was not about to get involved in trying to fiddle with this beast. Especially since my fingers are more along the lines of those of an offensive lineman rather than a concert pianist. :) At 05:11 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: >Ti I think you hit the nail on the head, this is exactly what I was thinking >too. It makes sense that it would be a loose belt for the reel sensor. >Derrick can you try this for me, turn on your dragon and open the cassette >door, with your fingers move the take up reel (the one on the right) and >take a look at the counter, does the counter count up when you move the reel >anti-clockwise? Does it move when you turn it clockwise? Get back to me >because I may have a replacement belt that I can give you for nothing. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: ti at amb.org [mailto:ti at amb.org] >Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 6:54 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 22 05:27:34 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:27:34 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D83A@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> You're not ignorant Gra'. Phantom power is where the microphone gets it's power from the device it's connected to, such as a mixing console, instead of using batteries. The power is sent down the same pair of wires as the microphone. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 8:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks 'Scuse my ignorance, but what is phantom power? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 21 January 2005 21:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > I believe that Mr. Sank mentioned a while (a long while) ago that he > can mod one or more of the Nak mics to use phantom power (unsure of > which models). > > I was working on trying to mod a Teac mic a while back for phantom > power, but, couldn't because the transformer lacked a center tap that > is required to do phantom powering. It too used the hard to get and > expensive batteries similar to what the CM-300 uses. > > If you go to Shure you can download the manuals to most of the mics > and they frequently have the schematics. Get a few that use phantom > power and you can quickly see how phantom power is used and then you > can see if your CM-300 can be mod'd. > > SJ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 21 21:28:25 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:28:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Thanks] In-Reply-To: <41F15B54.6050203@xs4all.nl> References: <41F15B54.6050203@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <41F165E9.5060904@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, Appalling! This is not how the majority of Americans think, I assure you! As far as I'm concerned this person is as "un-American" as it gets! Thank you for this wonderful list so I can keep my Nakamichi passion alive and well -- and share it with other Nakamichi afficianados. N-Joy! (Short for Naka-joy!). Wouter Heijke wrote: > I removed this person from the list. > > Wouter. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:56:34 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:56:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems Message-ID: Dear Greg! IF..you intend to use Dolby...for the first step and the most important one "Extremely well Calibration"...the Dolby MUST be OFF...after finishing the calibration you press Dolby IN/ENABLE bottom to record with any of your choose Dolby noise reduction B or C...HOWEVER..the lack of any light when the Dolby in Enable or Disable...makes me mad...So I choose NOT to use Dolby at all! & it's OK with me. This was only ONE example of what lights can make the operation of such lovely machine...The Dragon much more enjoyable! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Greg Bauer" >Reply-To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:45:43 -0500 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 03:59:09 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:59:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <023901c50003$b5f102a0$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050122025909.82386.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> > 'Scuse my ignorance, but what is phantom power? Phantom power or +48V is a pro audio standard for getting power to a condenser microphone over the same balanced cable that the audio comes across. This way there are no batteries to worry about! All of the better mixers and some of the consumer grade mixer provide phantom power out the balanced XLR inputs. There are three pins, Signal+, Signal- and Ground. Signal+ and Signal- both supply the positive +48V and ground is well, ground. Here is a web page that explains is better. http://www.tangible-technology.com/power/Phantom_Power_connect.html The manual for Shure SM-85 has a brief explaination of how to build your own power supply for these types of mics. http://www.shure.com/pdf/discontinued/sm85.pdf Page 4 of the Shure SM-99 manual shows the schematic for the internal preamp. You can see that phantom power is taped off the center tap of the transformer with respect to ground. The audio signal goes into the other side of the transformer (single-end) and comes out differential on the same lines that the power is drawn from. It's clever and it's been around for decades. http://www.shure.com/pdf/discontinued/sm99.pdf Even though the mixers put out 48V, the microphone rarely actually needs that much voltage and most will run on power from a 9V battery wired like in the SM-85 manual. SJ --- Nelson wrote: > 'Scuse my ignorance, but what is phantom power? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > > Sent: 21 January 2005 21:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > > > > I believe that Mr. Sank mentioned a while (a long while) ago that > he > > can mod one or more of the Nak mics to use phantom power (unsure > of > > which models). > > > > I was working on trying to mod a Teac mic a while back for > phantom > > power, but, couldn't because the transformer lacked a center tap > that > > is required to do phantom powering. It too used the hard to get > and > > expensive batteries similar to what the CM-300 uses. > > > > If you go to Shure you can download the manuals to most of the > mics > > and they frequently have the schematics. Get a few that use > phantom > > power and you can quickly see how phantom power is used and then > you > > can see if your CM-300 can be mod'd. > > > > SJ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:17:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:17:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D833@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Shalom Ti & Tom! I learn more...so such counter belt is very important! Thanks so much, ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:11:20 +1100 > >Ti I think you hit the nail on the head, this is exactly what I was >thinking >too. It makes sense that it would be a loose belt for the reel sensor. >Derrick can you try this for me, turn on your dragon and open the cassette >door, with your fingers move the take up reel (the one on the right) and >take a look at the counter, does the counter count up when you move the >reel >anti-clockwise? Does it move when you turn it clockwise? Get back to me >because I may have a replacement belt that I can give you for nothing. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: ti at amb.org [mailto:ti at amb.org] >Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 6:54 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems > > >Alex Cozac writes: > > Shalom Derrick! > > > > If...you look very carefully inside, after that you open the cassette > > holder, you must see a rubber belt that works for the counter...I really > > have the same machine..BUT...seem me that your belt is out > > functional...break...and wait to another member of our lovely group, for > > further advice or information...IF you can't see it...I'm sure that this >is > > ONE of the reasons why refrain to work! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > >I think if the belt is broken then forward play and fast forward wouldn't >work either. The auto-stop mechanism would halt the playback fairly >quickly >at the lack of any counter wheel "motion". I suppose it's possible that >the >belt isn't broken, but just loose enough to slip in one direction but not >the other... > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 22 07:43:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:43:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Mics In-Reply-To: <55A5519E-6BF8-11D9-9A5E-000D93C246E2@mac.com> References: <200501211946.j0LJkpeu023517@zebra.naks.com> <55A5519E-6BF8-11D9-9A5E-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: <41F1F624.2060305@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred! Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Kermit, > I second that, that was enormously informative. Couldn't help but notice > you don't mention the old workhorse Shure SM-58. Too rock and roll for > your tastes? ACTUALLY it has the SAME frequency response as the SM57! Alas the ball windscreen robs it of quite a bit of low-level clarity, so the SM57 has the edge. You Nakamichi deserves the best clarity you can give it! At one time, the SM57 was widely preferred over the SM58, and is the offical mike of the Office of the President of the United States since Nixon. >I too would love to see the Nak 3-Point technique booklet. > I'll get the booklet up on my web site within a few days. My scanner died! (Not a Nakamichi scanner.) Argh! I'm also going to put up a description of a special mic array I developed in 1978 for the 550 and 610. > Do you have a preferred method/gear recommendation for getting Mic input > into Naks without Mic preamps? I have a very, very modest Micromix mic > pre-amp with an unbalanced (ie, phono) output that I use to amplify > myself and my acoustic guitar on my little Fender practice amp. My > atrocious playing and worse singing is unlikely to win many fans if > recorded for Marathon purposes, but I would love to make some tapes for > playback in hopes that I can overcome my lack of talent through practice. > Well, keep in mind I design and build my own mic preamps; most are handmade high-end tube (valve) models of radical design, but some are inexpensive-ish handmade Class A loosely based on either the Altec 1566A, 426, or 428; or Telefunken V72. Even sell a few ... although I'm getting about 3 months behind. Hope to catch up by March. Sniff. I wanted to use the name Nakamichi for my company, but it was taken. (Joking.) IF at all possible, the single best choice is the Nakamichi 610. I have one. The 610 is without peer for recording via microphone onto a Nakamichi cassette deck. You have been warned! For less-lofty but perfectly adequate mic preamps that won't hurt your Nakamichi's feelings, try these: ART TubeMP, Presonus Blue Tube, Behringer MIC 2200 Ultragain Pro, and the dbx Corp. "Minipre." Some good eBay finds are: Anything Altec, Ampex or McGohan. The Alesis 107 is a must-grab whenever it pops up. I have one. Reslo made a great mic preamp too, but they're rarely seen. If you can solder, make yourself a Neve 1272 clone at: http://www.sevencirclestudios.com/sca/sca.htm I intend to get around to making one for myself. Hard to beat a Neve for solid state mic preamps! Also in the Make-Your-Nak-Smile DIY category is -- http://www.gyraf.dk/index.html where you will find excellent DIY versions of all the studio standards I learned on: SSL 4000E master compressor, UREI 1176N FET-based tracking compressor, Pultec EQ, and the Calrec PQ1549 EQ. Same company, Gyraf, makes a good but complex DIY tube/valve mic pre, but I admit I think my designs are better. The Gyraf G9 IS a good tube pre, but for the complexity I'd like to seen a more cutting edge circuit, but alas its yet another class-A triode design. You can roll your own similar design by using any good tube manual's resistance coupled amplifier charts and sticking to 12AT7/ECC81, 12AU7/ECC82, 12AX7A/ECC83, 6AU6A, 6EU7, 5879, or 6267/EF86; or for a more retro sound, consider 6SL7 for the AF amp stages and 6SN7 for the outputs. I'm not a fan of the faddish 6DJ8/E88CC that some audiophiles are bent on using. It's a cascode RF amp tube, (once used in radios and TVs) -- not an ideal mic pre tube -- despite what online magazines assert. (I do not want to start a tube type debate; if anyone disagrees, email me off list, please!) If you use a compressor, use it only for gain leveling -- never to "make the mix louder." Otherwise, your mix will sound like it was made on a $29.00 battery-powered cassette with built-in automatic level control instead of on a Nakamichi! Practice, by the way, does make perfect. The only between you and Andres Segovia is about 10 hours a day of practice for decades. (Joking.) N-Joy! > Nelson wrote: > > Nice post, Kermit. > > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique > Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. > > N-Joy! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Jan 22 02:54:53 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:54:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Admin Note..... Message-ID: <36.6abf26e5.2f230c6d@aol.com> HI Wouter! I second that! I am tired! of reading all the non nak talk! it was really getting boring and very tiring!! Thanks Again! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepieboy at comcast.net Sat Jan 22 03:50:00 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:50:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks Message-ID: <012220050250.11966.41F1BF570005E71400002EBE220700320197010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Kermit, If possible, I too would like to get a PDF file of the Nakamichi three-microphone recording booklet! Thanks! Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- > Excellent information, Kermit. I would like (and don't have) a copy of > the Nak 3-mike > Stereo Technique Booklet. If you could email it in PDF format to me > directly, or post > it somewhere, I would be most appreciative. > I think I'll pursue one of the dynamic mics you mentioned to avoid the > need for phantom > power. > Of the mics you mentioned as being your most favorite for use with the > Nak 550, > namely, the AKG D190E, D200E, D224E and theBeyer M260N, > Do you have an order of preference (price not withstanding) for > recording music > at a distance (concert hall, small) as well as voice at a distance > (speaker at podium) and close acoustic instrument recording? > Which might have the widest range (frequency response)? Which quietest? > Is a fragile windscreen a big negative? Is a base roll-off switch > desirable--why? > Do you have any book you recommend for an overall primer for good > recording technique? > I hope I haven't bothered you with too many questions. If you think this > is too specialized > information for the group in general, you are welcome to email me > directly. If you think > the group would like to share your abundance of knowledge on this > subject (I think so), > post your reply to the group. > Many, Many Thanks, > Mike > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Hi Michael, > > > > Here�s my quick list of tried-and-true mics perfect for use with the > > Nakamichi 550 (or any Nakamichi with built-in mic preamps, OR the > > Nakamichi 610 preamp, or any of Nakamchi's stand-alone mic preamps or > > portable mic mixers) from first-hand experience. eBay will show up > > some of these jewels in the $10.00 to $100-ish range, if you�re > > patient in your bidding. I can vouch for these because I�ve owned them > > all (or borrowed/rented them), and used them all with the Nakamichi > > 550 for serious professional quality work that went on to be released > > commercially. > > > > > > DYNAMIC MICROPHONES, chose for balanced natural sound and "big label" > > feel. > > > > * AKG D125E cardioid -- slightly bright but clear. > > > > * AKG D190E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding. One of my > > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for > > hardpsichord, clavichord, woodwinds, cello, viol da gamba. Fragile > > windscreen, meager rumble suppression. > > > > * AKG D200E two-way supercardioid -- smooth yet sweet, very natural > > sounding, sounds like a condensor! One of my most-favorites for use > > with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano, saxophone, and just about > > everything. > > > > * AKG D202E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds > > like a condensor!, darker sounding than D200E, bass rolloff switch. > > Fragile windscreen. > > > > * AKG D224E two-way supercardioid -- very natural sounding, sounds > > like a condensor!, bass rolloff switch. One of my most-favorites for > > use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for pipe organ and just about > > everything. > > > > * AKG D1000E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass rolloff > > switch. Same sound otherwise as D190E. Fragile windscreen. > > > > * AKG D1200E cardioid -- sweet yet very natural sounding, bass > > rolloff switch. Basically a restyled D1000E. Fragile windscreen. > > > > * Altec 683B cardioid -- slightly dark but clear and detailed. > > > > * ElectroVoice 635A omnidirectional, recommended more for folk, > > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble > > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > > > * ElectroVoice 660 cardioid variable-D, recommended more for folk, > > bluegrass, non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 80 cps, treble > > above 13 k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > > > * ElectroVoice DS35 cardioid, recommended more for folk, bluegrass, > > non-orchestal acoustic; bass rolls off below 60 cps, treble above 13 > > k/c; yet very smooth and natural. Built like a tank. > > > > * ElectroVoice PL5 omnidirectional (same as 635A) > > > > * ElectroVoice PL6 cardioid variable-D (same as 660) > > > > * ElectroVoice PL95 cardioid (same as DS35) > > > > * Shure 545 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. Contrary to > > rumors, it is not voiced the same as SM57; it's more neutral and > > natural; BUT has lower output than most dynamics. > > > > * Shure SM53 or SM54 unidirectional, natural with presence peak. More > > for rock or country, I think. > > > > * Shure SM57 unidirectional, punchy bass with presence peak; listed > > only because it's common; try one of the others on the list first. > > More for hard rock, I think. > > > > * Shure SM59 unidirectional -- very natural sounding, with no > > presence peak. One of my most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi > > 550! One of the most accurate microphones ever made yet often > > overlooked or ridiculed as a "televangelist mic." Perfect for piano. > > > > * Shure SM60 omnidirectional -- very natural sounding. One of my > > most-favorites for use with the Nakamichi 550! Perfect for piano. Try > > it on kick drums and it'll change the way you record drum kits forever. > > > > * Turner 510 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > > Perfect for piano. > > > > * Turner S500 cardioid -- very natural sounding, but almost dark. > > Perfect for piano. > > > > RIBBON MICROPHONE > > * Beyer M260N -- incredible clarity, best transdient response, > > condensor-like sound. One of my most-favorites for use with the > > Nakamichi 550! One of the few mics that is never screechy with violins > > or harsh with brass instrments. Flawless for vocals ... beats the > > Neumann U87! I know -- I�ve had an U87! Often used on scoring stages > > in the strings sections. Best phase response of any mic other than the > > more expensive Beyer M130 and M160 ribbons -- will hold its own with > > Earthworks mics in that regard, ad claims notwithstanding. > > > > You may also want to consider: CONDENSOR MICROPHONES > > Various MXL, ADK, and Studio Projects models -- needs phantom power. > > Frankly, you�ll do just as well in practice with a choice from the > > above list. > > > > AudioTechnica AT813A -- sounds like vintage Nakamichi C1000 mic; > > typically sells for about $150 each. Can use ordinary AA sized > > alkaline battery instead of phantom power with slight loss of dynamic > > range. Has that 1970s sweet-ish but almost brittle treble sound that > > characterized electret mics, yet very detailed, balanced and natural > > if not used up close. I had three and enjoyed them until they were > > stolen. Slighlty too noisy for quiet chamber music or classical guitar. > > > > > > ~~~~~ > > I�m always available to counsel anyone on mic choice for recording > > live music with Nakamichi 550 or similar cassette decks. > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Nakamichi 3-Mike Stereo Technique > > Booklet? I have it and will scan it for the group if needs be. > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > >> No, that's someone else using my name, stirring things up, and making > >> a zillion dollars. > >> I'm just a poor shepard of a small flock on Naks here in Atlanta, GA > >> USA. > >> Speaking of making movies, etc., I could very much use a > >> recommendation or two > >> from anyone on Naktalk for a microphone to use with a 550 (or > >> possiblly a CR-7 > >> if conditions permit) to record live music. With Marathon III coming > >> up, it might be > >> fun to make some live recordings, although I don't have the funds for > >> a really > >> pro-audio type mike. Is there something in the $100 range or less > >> that would do > >> an adequate job? Besides eBay, where is a good source for a mike > >> (used is ok). > >> Any Naktalk participant willing to let go of one or two? > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> Nelson wrote: > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 22 07:34:27 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:34:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D83A@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <000501c5004c$6bac5de0$b2ab4e51@oemcomputer> Thanks Tom. Now I understand, I'm surprised that there are mic's that take their power any other way. I've never had (or seen) a mic that didn't take its power from the device to which it were connected, save for radio ones. Learn something new every day! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 22 January 2005 04:28 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > You're not ignorant Gra'. Phantom power is where the microphone gets it's > power from the device it's connected to, such as a mixing console, instead > of using batteries. The power is sent down the same pair of wires as the > microphone. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 8:54 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > 'Scuse my ignorance, but what is phantom power? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > > Sent: 21 January 2005 21:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKtalk Microphone for Naks > > > > > > I believe that Mr. Sank mentioned a while (a long while) ago that he > > can mod one or more of the Nak mics to use phantom power (unsure of > > which models). > > > > I was working on trying to mod a Teac mic a while back for phantom > > power, but, couldn't because the transformer lacked a center tap that > > is required to do phantom powering. It too used the hard to get and > > expensive batteries similar to what the CM-300 uses. > > > > If you go to Shure you can download the manuals to most of the mics > > and they frequently have the schematics. Get a few that use phantom > > power and you can quickly see how phantom power is used and then you > > can see if your CM-300 can be mod'd. > > > > SJ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 22 07:02:18 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:02:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTalk Microphone for Naks Message-ID: <41F1EC6A.2060409@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Michael! Michael Moore wrote: > Excellent information, Kermit. I would like (and don't have) a copy of the Nak 3-mike > Stereo Technique Booklet. If you could email it in PDF format to me directly, or post > it somewhere, I would be most appreciative. Will do! > I think I'll pursue one of the dynamic mics you mentioned to avoid the need for phantom > power. > Of the mics you mentioned as being your most favorite for use with the Nak 550, > namely, the AKG D190E, D200E, D224E and theBeyer M260N, > Do you have an order of preference (price not withstanding) for recording music > at a distance (concert hall, small) as well as voice at a distance (speaker at podium) and close acoustic instrument recording? Beyer(dynamic) M260N (and newer M260.80) because of outstanding clarity and freedom from sibilance, AKG D224E, 200E, and D190E. > Which might have the widest range (frequency response)? AKG D224E and 200E are tied. > Which quietest? They're all equal. > Is a fragile windscreen a big negative? No. Just be aware of it and don't drop the mic. >Is a base roll-off switch > desirable--why? Yes! It reduces muddiness from room gain (boomy, excessive bass caused by room resonance), proximity effect (excess bass up close cause dby cardiod patterns), and reduces pickup of wind noise, traffic rumble and HVAC noise. > Do you have any book you recommend for an overall primer for good recording technique? Look for anything written by Bruce Bartlett, Stephen Sank. AKG, Neumann and Shure have excellent PDF tutorials online. I'll email some other goodies to you. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.comre: From flifton at mac.com Sat Jan 22 08:16:40 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:16:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer memories Message-ID: <8FC77F25-6C45-11D9-9A5E-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Well, all the talk of Pioneer decks made me wander off to ebay to see what there was. None of the specified CT-S830 or others, but some similar looking things. My god those beasts look complex next to my sweet little Nak CR-3. I remember thinking that about Pioneer at the time (late 70's), that it was all complex bells and whistles and redundant features (a la Cadillac), though those blue lights always looked cool. Thinking about them flicking up and down with that flourescent pause of fading glow spun me back through years.... Yes, looking at those ebay decks brought me back to the summer of 1979 when I traveled with a friend, who really was named Granville Cleveland, to Boulder, Colorado. We had summer jobs there as jurors on mock trials where his mother, a Notre Dame law prof, was teaching. We stayed at a motel for 6 weeks with other long-term guests, including a well-boned, profoundly endowed blonde teen about our age (17 or 18). We followed her everywhere, as did most of the other young men at the place. One of these ardent fellows was an older (20's) ex-soldier who befriended us, I think, because we were always two steps behind that blonde. It was early in the Cold War and he had been stationed in Japan, Okinawa maybe, in one of the thousands of observational posts that defined that war. He worked at the motel and had acquired this immense stack of Pioneer gear in Tokyo from all sorts of inside sources, or so he claimed in Milo Minderbender (Catch-22) sort of way. This gleaming silver stack included possibly the largest tape-deck I had ever seen. If it had had wheels on it you'd have mistaken it for a chrome Mini. The speakers, Pioneer of course, had immense woofers like the silver covers white-coated waiters pull from platters of caviar and steak on room service carts in early David Niven movies. And they sounded that way too. The resulting noise was incredibly loud and bright, nothing like music, but tremendously impressive. Not impressive enough for that blonde, who also had, as it turns out, a very well-formed sense of taste. She ended up with Granville, who was half-black, looked like Lenny Kravitz, and could play Neil Young and CSN songs on the guitar along with perfect, heartfelt vocals. Admittedly, he sounded better than that stack of Pioneer and was undoubtedly a better catch than that hapless PFC. thanks, mates, for the trip down memory lane. Premature senility, it's great for the memories. They seem so real... cheers, Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:35:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:35:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20050121195423.9C28F17E0F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Shalom Ti! He already repair or changed the loose/break belt & all is fine again...Bravo!!! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:54:23 -0800 (PST) > >Alex Cozac writes: > > Shalom Derrick! > > > > If...you look very carefully inside, after that you open the cassette > > holder, you must see a rubber belt that works for the counter...I really > > have the same machine..BUT...seem me that your belt is out > > functional...break...and wait to another member of our lovely group, for > > further advice or information...IF you can't see it...I'm sure that this >is > > ONE of the reasons why refrain to work! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > >I think if the belt is broken then forward play and fast forward >wouldn't work either. The auto-stop mechanism would halt the playback >fairly quickly at the lack of any counter wheel "motion". I suppose >it's possible that the belt isn't broken, but just loose enough to >slip in one direction but not the other... > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:42:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:42:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20050121191711.39CA718A40@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: > > Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the >CR > > series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators as to >what > > is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. Sorry Ti, I also complained the same when I first received and operate my lovely machine, NOW I accepted...however some light indicator really will help! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Argh, Dragon problems >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:17:11 -0800 (PST) > >Derrick Beckner writes: > > Got my Dragon last night, and the "all functions operating" evidently >did > > not include the RW, reverse play or the tape counter. Trying to resolve > > the issue with the seller. Any idea what the problem is? Idler gear? >Rev > > Play starts for about 1 second and then goes to stop. Rewind works for > > about same amount of time, fairly slowly, and stops. Tape counter stuck >on > > 0000. Plays fine, FF and Cue are fine. auto azimuth works. Record >works. > >It does sound like the idler tire is in need of replacement. > > > Just an observation, the ergonomics on the Dragon blow compared to the >CR > > series. You can't even read the db meter numbers, no indicators as to >what > > is turned on and off as far as Dolby, EQ, etc. > >Yeah, you need a bright light shining on the front panel... :) > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From b4uer at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:47:55 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:47:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sat Jan 22 06:13:35 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:13:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NAKtalk Microphone for Naks (Scott Johnson) References: <200501212348.j0LNmget024816@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <002101c50041$1fe36e40$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Hi, all--thought I'd pass on some info re CM-300's. Batteries are readily available--the EverReady 206 (NEDA 1611) is a drop in replacement (albeit a bit tight) for the original mercury cell that powered them. The Nak specs say the batteries are good for about 200 hours of use. Stephen still does phantom power conversions to CM300's, and charges about $75 per mic last I checked with him (a few months ago).In the phantom power mod, his conversion allows the mics to run at 20volts off the 48volt input, so they run a bit quieter. And you can still run them perfectly fine on as low as 12V phantom (in case you have to run off a crappy mixer or preamp in a pinch. His feeling is that the 300's are still the best bang for the buck--it's still his top choice for hifi recording on a small budget, or for the user that needs a mic that can take being dropped, rained on, wind-blown & etc. without much risk of damage. Vastly higher consistency or durability than any Rode or similar cheap new condenser mic. Stephen also shared this nugget with me: if you don't mind a different color than black, you can get exactly a CM300 way cheaper by buying it as a Teac/Tascam ME120, PE120 or PE125, or as a Primo EMU3520. Primo is the actual maker of the CM300, CM100 & CM700, in all their forms. You can grab the non- Nak labelled CM300's for as little as $35 each on EBay. Here's a link for the batteries: http://store.yahoo.com/phonetx/39-0000n.html There are also plenty at www.radioshack.com Paul Dingle In Ontario's Frozen North Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20050121210612.30834.qmail at web40421.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I believe that Mr. Sank mentioned a while (a long while) ago that he > can mod one or more of the Nak mics to use phantom power (unsure of > which models). > > I was working on trying to mod a Teac mic a while back for phantom > power, but, couldn't because the transformer lacked a center tap that > is required to do phantom powering. It too used the hard to get and > expensive batteries similar to what the CM-300 uses. > > If you go to Shure you can download the manuals to most of the mics > and they frequently have the schematics. Get a few that use phantom > power and you can quickly see how phantom power is used and then you > can see if your CM-300 can be mod'd. > > SJ > > > --- Terry Finn wrote: > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 22 11:17:38 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:17:38 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D83E@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi Greg. The answer to your question is Nup! I have a ZX9 and - no plastic cover on the window. I guess this was Nakamichi's way of saying "can you hear the mechanism working, neither can we". Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Bauer [mailto:b4uer at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 3:48 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder I've never seen another model (ZX-7/9) up close so I don't have a field of reference, but, should there be a clear, plastic piece covering the view finder in the cassette door that holds the tape. It seems to me that there should be one to prevent dust from getting into the transport mechanism when a cassette is vacant. If so, does anyone have an extra, or know where to get one. I have a ZX-7 in my possession that appears to be missing one. Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 22 10:30:00 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:30:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] follow up to "My Nak wont record" (20 12 04) plus! Message-ID: (1). Belated thanks to the members who replied to my requests to find out why my Nak ZX9 would not function in "Record", "Azimuth or bias".! I took your advice and took the machine to Bowers and Wilkins in Worthing, Sussex to be looked at. That was 14 days ago and yesterday I collected it, working as it should again. The problem was indeed the dreaded "Orange caps" in the oscillator CCTs. They changed this single cap and a pair of resistors, at a parts cost of less than 50 UK pennies! A service was carried out that included replacing all the 3 belts, idler tyre, take up guides and the reel hub assemblies. The lamps were also changed. As stated the turn around time would be 10 days to produce an estimate, and two days after the estimate was accepted by me. The total cost was UK pounds 180.00! Any of the members in the UK will back me when I tell you that that is really cheap!! I can recommend this agent to anyone with a Nak that they will service/repair, they are trustworthy, fast and you get no "Bu----it from them!! I am told B & W will not undertake work unless the spares required for the service are available and it seems that Older Nak spares are not now available, I was supplied the 2 Idlers complete with tyres for by BX125E, just in case?? ( I have the belt sets for this machine, the ZX 9 and my Dragon) It seems to be time to stock up with these parts while they are around, The really are very reasonably priced! My Dragon is in South Africa in my other home and I now want to get it serviced, Do any of the South African members know of a good "Repair shop" in that country? My home is on the east coast south of Durban! I have a gut feeling I am going to have to ship the Dragon to the UK, but I would consider it worth the expense!! (2). Getting the ZX7 back in my rack has presented a problem for me! My pre-amp has only two tape loops fitted, I now have a ReVox B77 reel to reel, an Aiwa Excelia XK009 cassette deck and the two Naks to get connected, I am certain this is a problem a lot of you multiple owners have faced! How can I get around it? I have tried to get a switching box here in the UK but have failed miserably! Any suggestions, circuits etc? (I hope this request is not classed as "off topic"). (3) Thanks to the Moderators for finally cleaning up all the "Off topic" writers! It was getting al little political / racial! (4) When I go next to South Africa (next month I hope!) I know that there is a large amount of Nak spares for, and from older machines than that I now own (My late father loved Naks and ReVox's, he owned many! he also horded spares and "reclaimed parts"). I have been trying to remember what machines would be covered and all I can recall from old photo's etc are as follows: 1000 II Tri Tracer. 700 Tri Tracer LX5 and a model 500?? I see that members are now trying to get hold of parts for these older machines, They are of no use to me (I don't have any of the machines mentioned!) If you want to contact me via this Email address cmarsh at telinco.co.uk before next month with what you would want, I will gladly get them shipped from SA when I am visiting next, Just for the shipping Charges ( and may be a small donation to my chosen charity?) I was going to have the whole crate of parts (80 Kilo's!) shipped to the UK but the costs and possible custom and excise charges where prohibitive. So if I can help, jump in guys! Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 22 13:35:23 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:35:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5007e$d8529fe0$69c74c51@oemcomputer> Nope, that's the way they come. I often cover that gap with a piece of clear plastic cut from a CD case, held in place with a small piece of BluTak; however, I generally leave it off when I'm using the machine to prevent too much of a build up of heat in that area. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: 22 January 2005 04:48 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder I've never seen another model (ZX-7/9) up close so I don't have a field of reference, but, should there be a clear, plastic piece covering the view finder in the cassette door that holds the tape. It seems to me that there should be one to prevent dust from getting into the transport mechanism when a cassette is vacant. If so, does anyone have an extra, or know where to get one. I have a ZX-7 in my possession that appears to be missing one. Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alan at audiotronics.com Sat Jan 22 15:17:24 2005 From: Alan at audiotronics.com (Alan Guyes) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:17:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder Message-ID: Greg - Negative on the plastic door. I own a ZX7 and personally sold dozens and dozens of ZX7's and 9's. Neither have a plastic insert. Alan Guyes -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:48 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder I've never seen another model (ZX-7/9) up close so I don't have a field of reference, but, should there be a clear, plastic piece covering the view finder in the cassette door that holds the tape. It seems to me that there should be one to prevent dust from getting into the transport mechanism when a cassette is vacant. If so, does anyone have an extra, or know where to get one. I have a ZX-7 in my possession that appears to be missing one. Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.hansen at 62modelo.de Sat Jan 22 15:34:46 2005 From: c.hansen at 62modelo.de (Christian Hansen) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:34:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Greg, the cassette door of the ZX 7 has no plastic window, there's just a hole. We already had that discussion some months ago, and I remember that some members of the list explained that with the need of cooling down the machine, which might get to hot while running. Before, I was tempted to cover the open window of my ZX7 with a piece of plastic, but I refrained from doing so after I heard that argument (trial and error isn't the right treatment for a 25 year old darling..). Chris From youraudioattic at msn.com Sat Jan 22 16:12:35 2005 From: youraudioattic at msn.com (david taylor) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:12:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] my beloved 680zx Message-ID: HELP! My beloved 680zx has developed a problem. While playing tapes the highs seem to role off into a almost muffled sound. It doesn't seem to do this with all tapes and since I play a lot of old vintage stuff. (15 years old or more) I thought it was the tapes at first. If I hit stop and then play again, the highs are back but role off again. Any advice will be appreciated! Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 22 17:15:06 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (kkenkirk) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:15:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. Message-ID: <41F27C0A.6020504@sbcglobal.net> Ray asks: "Hello Naksters! I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be helpful." Ken replies: You need a Mackie 1202. They sound very nice for the price and they have phantom power for condensers. You need some nice headphones to monitor. http://www.mackie.com/products/1202vlzpro/ Check ebay. There are usually several of them. You will be surprised at the sound a pair of good mikes, a little Mackie, and your RX 505 can make!! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sat Jan 22 17:51:14 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:51:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual References: <200501220900.j0M90cet026444@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000e01c500a2$963a1ce0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Fellow listers: I scanned the Live Recording manual to .PDF (168KB or so). Right click on this link to download: http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive Recording Manual.pdf As a painist, orchestral and choral conductor (and, of course a NakFanatic), I have found the manual to be very useful. My "usual" setup is a set of 3 CM300's, an MX100/PS100 mixer box, and either my Sanktified CR-7 (with whatever Type IV I have on hand) or Otari MX5050BII with Quantegy GP9 or 499. I have a High Com II unit for the Otari, but haven't dialed it in to the point where I'm totally happy with the sound. Curiously, this setup works better with unbalanced inputs--I find the balanced inputs on the Otari pick up too much noise. I sure hope Quantegy's tape division gets back up and running soon.......come to think of it, it would be great to have a steady source of good Type IV cassettes as well! Thanks, Wouter, for the list--it has been a wonderful source of things Nakamichi, and has rekindled my passion for things analog after a long hiatus in the world of digital. Good to be home........ Paul Dingle From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 18:29:48 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:29:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] my beloved 680zx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050122172948.92503.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, You need to change the pinch wheel. You can try cleaning it, it will help, but a new pinch wheel is the solution. Bala --- david taylor wrote: > HELP! My beloved 680zx has developed a problem. > While playing tapes the highs seem to role off into > a almost muffled sound. It doesn't seem to do this > with all tapes and since I play a lot of old vintage > stuff. (15 years old or more) I thought it was the > tapes at first. If I hit stop and then play again, > the highs are back but role off again. Any advice > will be appreciated! Thanks in advance. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 22 19:08:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:08:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. In-Reply-To: <41F27C0A.6020504@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <002201c500ad$52e7eac0$ac72893e@oemcomputer> Also worth noting that Honer make a microphone specifically for use with a harnomica. (I have one somewhere ... I used to play Blues Harp and Chronomatic harmonicas. UK guys will be amused, my party piece used to be "Dixon of Dock Green " and "After the Summer Wine" theme tunes!!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kkenkirk > Sent: 22 January 2005 16:15 > To: Nak group > Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. > > > Ray asks: > > "Hello Naksters! > I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. > I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. > Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be > helpful." > > > Ken replies: > > You need a Mackie 1202. They sound very nice for the price and > they have phantom power for condensers. You need some nice > headphones to monitor. > > > http://www.mackie.com/products/1202vlzpro/ > > Check ebay. There are usually several of them. You will be > surprised at the sound a pair of good mikes, a little Mackie, and > your RX 505 can make!! > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sat Jan 22 17:54:36 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:54:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual Message-ID: <002501c500a3$0e655b80$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> My previous link is crap--let's try this again: http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf Best, Paul Dingle From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 22 20:18:53 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My ZX7 and the two ZX9's I know of don't have this plastic window! I take it that it was never fitted or it was prone to fall off very easily and get lost! saying that though, My ZX7 although purchased second-hand did come with all the original bits (even the cleaning cloth! unused) and if the all the six bias/level adjustment pot covers were there, I would have thought any part that had "fallen off" would have been in the box. But then, I've always found the large unobstructed and illuminated window a very useful feature on the ZX7! unlike some of the later machines where I find it difficult to even see the cassette! Possibly this is why the cassette door has no plastic window? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Greg Bauer [mailto:b4uer at hotmail.com] Sent: 22 January 2005 04:48 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder I've never seen another model (ZX-7/9) up close so I don't have a field of reference, but, should there be a clear, plastic piece covering the view finder in the cassette door that holds the tape. It seems to me that there should be one to prevent dust from getting into the transport mechanism when a cassette is vacant. If so, does anyone have an extra, or know where to get one. I have a ZX-7 in my possession that appears to be missing one. Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 21:52:50 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:52:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] my beloved 680zx In-Reply-To: <20050122172948.92503.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050122205250.22887.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> You seem to have bad capstan belt - not pinch rollars kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Dave, You need to change the pinch wheel. You can try cleaning it, it will help, but a new pinch wheel is the solution. Bala --- david taylor wrote: > HELP! My beloved 680zx has developed a problem. > While playing tapes the highs seem to role off into > a almost muffled sound. It doesn't seem to do this > with all tapes and since I play a lot of old vintage > stuff. (15 years old or more) I thought it was the > tapes at first. If I hit stop and then play again, > the highs are back but role off again. Any advice > will be appreciated! Thanks in advance. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 22 23:08:50 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:08:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] my beloved 680zx Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D840@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Try looking at the pinch rollers when there is not tape inside, press play and look at them, do both of them reach the capstan? If yes then it is your capstan belt that needs replacing. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: david taylor [mailto:youraudioattic at msn.com] Sent: Sunday, 23 January 2005 2:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] my beloved 680zx HELP! My beloved 680zx has developed a problem. While playing tapes the highs seem to role off into a almost muffled sound. It doesn't seem to do this with all tapes and since I play a lot of old vintage stuff. (15 years old or more) I thought it was the tapes at first. If I hit stop and then play again, the highs are back but role off again. Any advice will be appreciated! Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CKDawson at cableone.net Sat Jan 22 20:57:53 2005 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:57:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Purchasing Tapes References: <200501211402.j0LE2peu022351@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <014001c500bc$a95811a0$6501a8c0@dell> Hi Greg, I didn't see where (what country) you live, but I have just purchased 100 Maxell XL-II S 100 minute tapes from the site below at 90 cents each. Shipping from Brooklyn, NY to good 'ol Idaho USA was under $15.00 making final cost about $1.05 each. http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MAXXLIIS-100&Category_Code=audio Keith From b4uer at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 20:56:59 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:56:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder In-Reply-To: <000001c5007e$d8529fe0$69c74c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat Jan 22 21:03:56 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. In-Reply-To: <002201c500ad$52e7eac0$ac72893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050122200356.53408.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Evenin All, (pan to blue light above darkend doorway)! As a " Gob iron" player myself, can I suggest you check out the "Leo Osker" range of of Harmonica's. They are initially expensive (£18.00p 'ish) but are easier, and more consistent than some of the others and everything is user replaceable and ajustable.(as in Nakamichi and loosely, very loosely keeping on topic)!! More importantly for those Cross Harp players out there!! They also do a blues scale. Top tips Exercise the toungue and practice whistling breathing IN!!! ( keeps the wife happy and kids amused if nothing else)!! Pan to Dixon, touching his helmet , fade to gey, "Night All" Where's my Welly's!! Terry Nelson wrote: Also worth noting that Honer make a microphone specifically for use with a harnomica. (I have one somewhere ... I used to play Blues Harp and Chronomatic harmonicas. UK guys will be amused, my party piece used to be "Dixon of Dock Green " and "After the Summer Wine" theme tunes!!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kkenkirk > Sent: 22 January 2005 16:15 > To: Nak group > Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. > > > Ray asks: > > "Hello Naksters! > I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. > I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. > Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be > helpful." > > > Ken replies: > > You need a Mackie 1202. They sound very nice for the price and > they have phantom power for condensers. You need some nice > headphones to monitor. > > > http://www.mackie.com/products/1202vlzpro/ > > Check ebay. There are usually several of them. You will be > surprised at the sound a pair of good mikes, a little Mackie, and > your RX 505 can make!! > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 22 21:51:20 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:51:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] follow up to "My Nak wont record" (20 12 04) plus! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please note I gave an incorrect Email address to contact me for Nak parts the correct address is c.marsh at telinco.co.uk Sorry 'bout that! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 22 January 2005 09:30 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] follow up to "My Nak wont record" (20 12 04) plus! (1). Belated thanks to the members who replied to my requests to find out why my Nak ZX9 would not function in "Record", "Azimuth or bias".! I took your advice and took the machine to Bowers and Wilkins in Worthing, Sussex to be looked at. That was 14 days ago and yesterday I collected it, working as it should again. The problem was indeed the dreaded "Orange caps" in the oscillator CCTs. They changed this single cap and a pair of resistors, at a parts cost of less than 50 UK pennies! A service was carried out that included replacing all the 3 belts, idler tyre, take up guides and the reel hub assemblies. The lamps were also changed. As stated the turn around time would be 10 days to produce an estimate, and two days after the estimate was accepted by me. The total cost was UK pounds 180.00! Any of the members in the UK will back me when I tell you that that is really cheap!! I can recommend this agent to anyone with a Nak that they will service/repair, they are trustworthy, fast and you get no "Bu----it from them!! I am told B & W will not undertake work unless the spares required for the service are available and it seems that Older Nak spares are not now available, I was supplied the 2 Idlers complete with tyres for by BX125E, just in case?? ( I have the belt sets for this machine, the ZX 9 and my Dragon) It seems to be time to stock up with these parts while they are around, The really are very reasonably priced! My Dragon is in South Africa in my other home and I now want to get it serviced, Do any of the South African members know of a good "Repair shop" in that country? My home is on the east coast south of Durban! I have a gut feeling I am going to have to ship the Dragon to the UK, but I would consider it worth the expense!! (2). Getting the ZX7 back in my rack has presented a problem for me! My pre-amp has only two tape loops fitted, I now have a ReVox B77 reel to reel, an Aiwa Excelia XK009 cassette deck and the two Naks to get connected, I am certain this is a problem a lot of you multiple owners have faced! How can I get around it? I have tried to get a switching box here in the UK but have failed miserably! Any suggestions, circuits etc? (I hope this request is not classed as "off topic"). (3) Thanks to the Moderators for finally cleaning up all the "Off topic" writers! It was getting al little political / racial! (4) When I go next to South Africa (next month I hope!) I know that there is a large amount of Nak spares for, and from older machines than that I now own (My late father loved Naks and ReVox's, he owned many! he also horded spares and "reclaimed parts"). I have been trying to remember what machines would be covered and all I can recall from old photo's etc are as follows: 1000 II Tri Tracer. 700 Tri Tracer LX5 and a model 500?? I see that members are now trying to get hold of parts for these older machines, They are of no use to me (I don't have any of the machines mentioned!) If you want to contact me via this Email address cmarsh at telinco.co.uk before next month with what you would want, I will gladly get them shipped from SA when I am visiting next, Just for the shipping Charges ( and may be a small donation to my chosen charity?) I was going to have the whole crate of parts (80 Kilo's!) shipped to the UK but the costs and possible custom and excise charges where prohibitive. So if I can help, jump in guys! Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 23 00:23:59 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:23:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NAKtalk Microphone for Naks (Scott Johnson) In-Reply-To: <002101c50041$1fe36e40$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> References: <200501212348.j0LNmget024816@zebra.naks.com> <002101c50041$1fe36e40$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Message-ID: <41F2E08F.7060807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Interesting info on the CM-300s. I've always had mixed feelings about these microphones. In the 1970s I sold Nakamichi, briefly, and was most active promoting "recording studio combos" consisting either of the 550 and a set of microphones or a 600 and 610 with mics. (Before then I had used the 550 professionally with a variety of microphones.) At first, I brainlessly pushed the Nakamichi mics, but then began to have customers come back asking for something better. Common complaints were harshness when recording loud music, excessive noise and reliability problems (drop one and it often never sounds as good). Others complained that the mics lost sensitivity after being used out of doors for months, a problem with early electrets because humidity can degrade their internal polarizing charge. So, I dipped into my experience with pro mics and had a long list of alternatives, some of which were about the same price, some more expensive. The CM-300 does have great clarity and good sensitivity, but it also had a real-world signal-to-noise ratio of about -50 dB and would handle only about 125 dB or so before clipping. Loud, true, but the cause of the reported harshness as the mic clips briefly on loud transients. No doubt, though, the CM-300 is far better than R0DE and a plethora of other modern electrets. In the main, mic choice is personal and often based on experience. I just never had that great an experience with the CM-300. At the time that the CM-300 was new, I felt that other mics with higher SPL handling and similar frequency response were better choices for the money. Some dynamics and ribbons from the 1970s have a condensor-like "feel" and although arguably not technically as "detailed" as condensors, will nonetheless give the impression of the same level of detail and a richness of sound that electrets often do not have. The "right" dynamic or ribbon and a Nakamichi 550 or 610 (or similar quality preamp) will give its owner a recording that has a definite "big label" sound without the battery or power hassles of condensors, and wider useable dynamic range, which definitely is a big bang for the buck for home recordists. Today, though, it's an interesting point: with mics similar to the CM-300 becoming available for under $50.00, I'd be more positive toward the mic. My concerns would be about how well it has held up after more than 20 years. My suspicion is that, unless its owner was very diligent and careful, an old electret may have lost some output and fequency response. Two years ago, I sold some AudioTechnica AT813 electrets I had bought in the 1970s. I was tired of their sound and knew I'd never used them again -- I hadn't used them in years. Although they sounded good and although I'd cared well for them they'd lost output and gained a bit of noise from when they were new. In contrast, AKG D190E, D1000E, D200E and D202E; and a host of other Shure and ElectroVoice mics that I had bought at the same time in the 1970s still meet spec and stll sound as good as when they were new. Ditto for a 1970s-vintage Beyerdynamic M260N I have. No particular conclusion here, just some thought on the topic of the CM-300. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 23 00:34:03 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:34:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. In-Reply-To: <41F27C0A.6020504@sbcglobal.net> References: <41F27C0A.6020504@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41F2E2EB.9050802@woods-and-waters.com> kkenkirk wrote: > Ray asks: > > "Hello Naksters! > I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. > I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. > Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be > helpful." > > > Ken replies: > > You need a Mackie 1202. They sound very nice for the price and they have > phantom power for condensers. You need some nice headphones to monitor. > Good choice! If you use only two mics, then use one of the 1202's direct outputs (channel insert points) to conect directly to the RX 505's inputs. This way, you'll bypass the EQs and summing amp, providing a cleaner and shorter signal path. Less is more with audio, more often than not. You'll probably have to use the "channel trim" knob instead of the usual level control to set gain, but it's no problem, just a little counter-intuitive. The 1202 woujld also let you use the 3-pomt pickup. If you buy a 1202, try to get the newer 1202VLZ; the older 1202s have an almost brittle sound with some instruments. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 23 00:38:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:38:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual In-Reply-To: <002501c500a3$0e655b80$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> References: <002501c500a3$0e655b80$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Message-ID: <41F2E3DD.3070401@woods-and-waters.com> Thanks, Paul, for getting this up so fast! The microphone technique described in the booklet is excellent -- I've used it off and on for years, even with very high end gear. The method makes me wonder if Nakamichi adapted the microphone technique described in Bell Lab's "Symposium on Auditory Perspective." A must-read for all Nakamichi owners who want to record live with microphones. N-Joy! Fugue wrote: > My previous link is crap--let's try this again: > > http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 06:26:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:26:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] my beloved 680zx In-Reply-To: <20050122205250.22887.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050123052607.1489.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, they give this problem also? Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > You seem to have bad capstan belt - not pinch > rollars > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dave, > > You need to change the pinch wheel. You can > try cleaning it, it will help, but a new pinch wheel > is the solution. > > Bala > --- david taylor wrote: > > > HELP! My beloved 680zx has developed a problem. > > While playing tapes the highs seem to role off > into > > a almost muffled sound. It doesn't seem to do this > > with all tapes and since I play a lot of old > vintage > > stuff. (15 years old or more) I thought it was the > > tapes at first. If I hit stop and then play again, > > the highs are back but role off again. Any advice > > will be appreciated! Thanks in advance. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 23 06:43:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:43:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder Message-ID: Shalom Greg & Chris! BUT...IF you don't use it...and is OFF, you can cover the hole with some kind od "Custom" made add plastic so no dirt/dust will get inside...OF course...when you use the machine a cassette is there so the cassette shell will protect all the heads/capstans/pinch rollers...etc from enter dirt/dust! ALEX! >From: Christian Hansen >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: B4UER at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Cassette Door View Finder >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:34:46 +0100 > >Hi Greg, > >the cassette door of the ZX 7 has no plastic window, there's just a hole. >We already had that discussion some months ago, and I remember that some >members of the list explained that with the need of cooling down the >machine, which might get to hot while running. Before, I was tempted to >cover the open window of my ZX7 with a piece of plastic, but I refrained >from doing so after I heard that argument (trial and error isn't the right >treatment for a 25 year old darling..). > >Chris > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 23 06:07:42 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:07:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks, mics, and recording gear.... Message-ID: <41F3311E.9030406@woods-and-waters.com> Hi fellow Nakkers, Wanted to make a quick comment on-list in response to off-list messages that I'm prone to going a bit overboard, evaluating everything from a pro point of view, while forgetting "home recordist's needs," especially on gear recommendations. Guilty. Here's why: I got hooked on the pro recording bug while I was still in high school. The fever I caught was the drive to create recordings so lifelike that you can almost reach out and touch the musicians. It became almost like a drug to me. But what REALLY got me hooked was the possibility I could achieve this without needing the ultra-high end, esoteric, big label format recorders and mics. Early on in my recording carreer I was introduced to the Nakamichi 550 and clever mic'ing technique that allowed the 500 and three carefully chosen mics to create a recording tantalizingly close to that which could only otherwise be made with 30-ips studio reel-to-reel and Neumann U87s. Imagine how heady this is to a teenager: grab a $500.00-ish cassette deck and about $300 worth of microphones, go out and equal the quality of tens-of-thousands of dollars of big studio gear. Cool? You bet! Ok, that started me off onto two parallel paths: one path designing the best gear possible, regardless of price; the second path -- creating techniques and finding or designing inexpensive gear that will let anyone, even someone lacking prior experience in recording, to create "big label quality" sound. Nakamichi cassette decks have always been at the heart of this latter effort because their sound is so uncannily similar to most studio two-track reel-to-reels. Honestly, I've never heard any other brand of cassette deck achieve this. Nothing makes me happier than seeing someone make their own recording then having someone else tell them it sounds as good or better than a recording made by a big label. How cool is that? Nothing is more frustrating to me than seeing someone buy a bunch of home recording gear out of a mail order catalog from some music instrument store, wire it up, toil for hours -- just to end up with a mediocre, muddy, amateur-ish sounding recording -- then conclude they need more gear, only to repeat the disaster. It needn't be! Technique, in the end, is more important than gear -- although obviously the right gear, like a Nakamichi deck at the heart of your recording rig, can give you an edge. Specs, at least in audio, are not a predictor of quality. Especially in microphones. Microphones do more than pick up sound and convert it into an electrical signal for you to record. Microphones shape tone in subtle and in dramatic ways that no equalizer ever could. Microphones flatter a sound, covering up unpleasant aspects of the sound. Microphones give an illusion of size or fullness to an instrument that otherwise sounds cheap and small. Conversely, microphones can exaggerate defects otherwise barely noticeable, add harshness that otherwise isn't prersent or give a recording an overall cheap sound. The right mike for a job may not be that expensive Neumann, popular electret, or esoteric boutique tube condensor mic -- it may be a more humble dynamic made by AKG, Shure, Sennheiser, Beyer or ElectroVoice. How do you pick the right microphone? Ignore ads, ignore price, ignore specs, and don't get hung up on brands, or image, or some famous person's recommendation. Listen, listen, listen. Borrow, rent or "stop by and try" (in a studio, at a friend's or at a music store), comparing what you hear through the mic to the actual instrument or msical performance taking place live before you. If the mic doesn't make the instrument sound as good or better than it does in real life WITHOUT eq or other processing, then try another. My motive behind any equipment recommendation or critique is to give you sound advice (couldn't pass up the pun) taken from my own experience so that you can catch my bug. My wish for all of you is that you can have the same rush of pleasure I've had for almost 28 years by making an outstanding audiohile qualaity recording that can hold its own with the best -- a recording you've made with "only" a (Nakamichi) cassette deck and two or three good microphones. N-Joy and may the best sounds be yours! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 23 13:45:07 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:45:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Purchasing Tapes In-Reply-To: <014001c500bc$a95811a0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: If you are in the UK, try this site http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ They are in London, Yesterday I paid 60 pence UK for XL II's . They have some unusual tapes,BASF, 3M and if you are lucky they also have the odd typeIV lying around! Notot on their site though, Just email for a catalogue, and mail order on the telephone Haggle for a better price! It worked for me! Also works if you go into the store, Whitechapel Near to the city and next to Aldgate East Tube (eastern exit). Colin -----Original Message----- From: Keith Dawson [mailto:CKDawson at cableone.net] Sent: 22 January 2005 19:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Purchasing Tapes Hi Greg, I didn't see where (what country) you live, but I have just purchased 100 Maxell XL-II S 100 minute tapes from the site below at 90 cents each. Shipping from Brooklyn, NY to good 'ol Idaho USA was under $15.00 making final cost about $1.05 each. http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product _Code=MAXXLIIS-100&Category_Code=audio Keith From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 23 14:19:15 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very early long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I am recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). When I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox and then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join the left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not be my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so I could do with some suggestions fast! Many thanks Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 15:25:57 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual In-Reply-To: <41F2E3DD.3070401@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050123142557.27487.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like we are all getting up to speed with recording techniques for Nakathon 4 :) (or is it Nakathon 3?) --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Thanks, Paul, for getting this up so fast! > > The microphone technique described in the booklet is > excellent -- I've > used it off and on for years, even with very high > end gear. The method > makes me wonder if Nakamichi adapted the microphone > technique described > in Bell Lab's "Symposium on Auditory Perspective." > > A must-read for all Nakamichi owners who want to > record live with > microphones. > > N-Joy! > > Fugue wrote: > > My previous link is crap--let's try this again: > > > > http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Jan 23 20:11:17 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:11:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. Message-ID: <003f01c5017f$50b5e720$fd7c8451@compaq> Evenin All, (pan to blue light above darkend doorway)! As a " Gob iron" player myself, can I suggest you check out the "Leo Osker" range of of Harmonica's. They are initially expensive (£18.00p 'ish) but are easier, and more consistent than some of the others and everything is user replaceable and ajustable.(as in Nakamichi and loosely, very loosely keeping on topic)!! More importantly for those Cross Harp players out there!! They also do a blues scale. Top tips Exercise the toungue and practice whistling breathing IN!!! ( keeps the wife happy and kids amused if nothing else)!! Pan to Dixon, touching his helmet , fade to gey, "Night All" Where's my Welly's!! Terry Nelson wrote: Also worth noting that Honer make a microphone specifically for use with a harnomica. (I have one somewhere ... I used to play Blues Harp and Chronomatic harmonicas. UK guys will be amused, my party piece used to be "Dixon of Dock Green " and "After the Summer Wine" theme tunes!!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kkenkirk > Sent: 22 January 2005 16:15 > To: Nak group > Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. > > > Ray asks: > > "Hello Naksters! > I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. > I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. > Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be > helpful." > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/04 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 24 01:11:07 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D845@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be ok, there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very early long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I am recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). When I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox and then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join the left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not be my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so I could do with some suggestions fast! Many thanks Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 01:29:19 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:29:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050124002919.86268.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Ok Colin, What I could suggest, having recorded 78s is this. Apart from the usual stereo and mono, the revox should have a channel one and channel two options. Try selecting to either of these and see. When you select mono, its essentially L+R, and sometimes it dulls the sound. Also, you could increase the tracking weight of the stylus very slightly and play with the vta to reduce the noise. Bala --- Colin Marsh wrote: > I have just recieved a quantity of excellent > condition on loan, very early > long playing records They date from !954 and are > all mono recordings. I am > recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. > My preamp has no > provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I > am recording in half > track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy > has gone tits up!). When > I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 > I find the Nak > recordings Have some groove noise on the right > channel,(inherent on the > disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to > reel recordings reduce > this and also some of the other disc noises. I can > record to the ReVox and > then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs > would effectivly be dual > mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me > that I have to join the > left and right channels together. This will give a > true mono signal? I > take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or > the Naks ins? I want to > know if this could cause problems/damage with the > turntable or more so, the > Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do > have access to a true > mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed > head shell I will not be > my first choice to do this. I have limited time to > record these records so > I could do with some suggestions fast! > > Many thanks Colin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From caldwell at cvtel.net Mon Jan 24 03:10:18 2005 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:10:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] US source for ZX-7 rubber parts? Message-ID: <41F404AA.21898.B883965@localhost> I have contacted Colin offlist to inquire about ordering ZX-7 rubber parts from B&W in England. Colin believes that B&W will sell parts via the mail. Before I pursue this further, I would like to know if these rubber parts are available from a source in the US or Canada. I am aware the Jeff Galin and Stephen Sank both bought up Nak spares from Nakamichi USA while they could. I believe that both of them reserve their parts stash for repair/restoration customers only. I have a local Nakamichi service center who can do the repairs/installation of rubber parts but do not have their own parts stock of rubber items for the ZX-7. I have the following list of needed ZX-7 rubber parts (courtesy of Colin): * Idler tyre B&W stock code CA08192 * Capstan belt " OC08096 * Counter belt " OC08098 * Control motor belt " OC08099 * Capstan rollers " Not listed, probably a standard part If any one has a US/Canadian source for the above and/or a part # for the capstan rollers I would appreciate the information. Also what quantities are needed of the above (I know 2 capstan rollers). Thanks! Regards, Scott Caldwell From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 04:20:20 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:20:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: Shalom Colin & Tom! You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all such oldies will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear your final goal! Have a nice warm day! ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be ok, >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 >To: naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very early >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I >am >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). >When >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox >and >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join >the >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not >be >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so >I could do with some suggestions fast! > >Many thanks Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From alex.cozac at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 04:37:44 2005 From: alex.cozac at gmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:37:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Take a look at this ZII C -60 I saw at KVJ Message-ID: <41F46D88.9040701@gmail.com> I saw this http://www.kvjfairdeal.co.uk/products.asp?partnoKVJ029 on the KVJ Fairdeal website and thought you might be interested Sorry twice that I obtain here in Israel, and I get 90 minutes...NOT 60 minutes1 only a example!!!! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 24 03:54:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:54:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late In-Reply-To: <01f101c4ffc7$b3cc4520$a1884c51@oemcomputer> References: <01f101c4ffc7$b3cc4520$a1884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41F46377.60007@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' I recall hearing one of the Pioneer digital noise reductions at a trade show. It was good but I admit it didn't impress me. In fairness, I was comparing it in my mind to the Soundstream and the Sony PCM-3324, which were far superior, and to recordings I'd been making for years on my Nakamichi 600-II using an outboard dbx 224 Type II digital noise reduction. The Nak/dbx combo was very open and lifelike, and is an ongoing favorite rig of mine. In comparison: The Pioneer digital noise reduction lacked low level detail, like ambience and reverb tails (no jokes about echo bunnies please!). Although it was clear, it imparted an overall feeling of being closed in and almost strident with woodwinds. The PCM-3324 had that in-your-face sterile digital sound that was often criticized as characterizing early digital gear, but it was still quite good nonetheless. The Soundstream was actually quite analog sounding, without the sterility you think of with early digital and without any trace of flutter-and-wow, of course. N-Joy! Nelson wrote: > Quite right, Mark - thanks for correcting me!! I'm a confused idiot at the > moment with a memory like a sieve. FLEX is what I meant ... (Is there a > veterinary in the audience? I'd like to be "put down ..." ) > > Gosh! I hope this Pioneer recommendation isn't too far off topic!! > <> > > I recall one fellow who left the NakList in a fit of pique a couple or so > years ago, parting with a rant about how daft some of the members were for > insisting the Nak's were THE best, and how his CTS830S, with Dolby S, could > outperform any of the Nak's ... Actually, I kept in touch with him for a > while and he sent me a rather special recording using Dolby S. Have to say > that was THE best cassette recordings I had heard up till that point ... > And then one of our members sent me a copy of a recording of an orchestra > he's made live using one of his Nak's ... and THAT is now my very finest > cassette recording. (You know who you are and I'm not going to blow your > cover!!) > > I always wondered about the Pioneer digital noise reduction on the later > decks. I read some rave reviews about it and have heard good things said by > some folk who have used it, too, but I have always wondered if something is > lost in that process of transferring from analogue into digital and back > again. Perhaps if MD and CD/R hadn't come along to beggar the cassette > market, we may have seen some innovative designs that would have taken that > technology further ... > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] >>Sent: 21 January 2005 14:13 >>To: naktalk at naks.com; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late >> >> >>Hi Gra' >> >>This is an amazing curcuit - FLEX - I think it is. Graham, are you >>combining BLE and FLEX? Maybe it SHOULD be combined!! Actually, >>Pioneer amuses me with its acronyms - Super Auto BLE XD. FLEX....?? CD >>Synchro? Yes please. Was that with the extra fries? JVC had to be >>seen to be believed. They made up acronyms for each model it seemed. >>The wrote them out longhand on the front of the machine. If the >>handbook for the TD-1050TN (a rather nice deck by the way) hadn't been >>in 12 languages, it would have had less verbiage on it than the control >>panel. Kenwood wasn't far behind. >> >>You know Gra' I think the more advanced CT-S ('95-2000) models were >>hardly (if at all) distributed in the Americas. They got the twin decks >>with digital noise reduction and the only single deck Pioneers were the >>Elites - and for those you had to hunt. >> >>Anyway, I have to admit, FLEX is a revelation. It apparently restores >>the 1>f frequency curve that typifies all music. I think if you took >>him up on the offer, Fred, (a transfer of an elderly tape from CT-S830S >>to ZX-9) you would be quite pleasantly surprised. Good luck. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Marc >> >> >>>>>graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/21/05 01:32PM >>> >> >>And not necessarily a Nak, either. Don't forget the Pioneers with BLX >>circuits can bring back to life old recordings made on any tape deck >>very >>well and better, in my opinion, than any Nak. Probably the best models >>to >>go for, in my view, would be the CTS830S or the CTS730S. They may >>have >>different model numbers in some parts of the World. The BLX works >>extremely >>well. >> >>Fred - if you want to send me a blank tape and one of your old tapes >>made on >>the Sony, I'll copy between my Pioneer and the ZX-9, so you can see >>what I >>mean. >> >>Gra' >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Fred Lifton >>>Sent: 21 January 2005 00:29 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Old Sony TT's and old tapes, a little late >>> >>> >>>Hi all, >>>Meant to respond earlier, but got behind. Most of old tapes were >>>recorded using a Sony PS-X5 deck with a lovely Dynavector DV50-A MC >>>cart. It really was a great combination when the table was >>>professionally adjusted and the cart was new. That deck must've been >>>made out of compressed black holes it weighed so much. Sadly, I did >> >>not >> >>>have a Nak then, so I made my recordings very carefully on a >> >>three-head >> >>>Sony, the TC-K81. It sounded way better than my portable Realistic >>>cassette player, that's for sure. I've often wondered what the best >> >>Nak >> >>>would be to play back those old tapes, but I think from talking to >>>y'all I think it's a NAAC or similar model way beyond my means. >>>Ah, nostalgia. >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >>to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include >>one or more >>attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for >>the use of the >>named recipient/s. >> >>If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, >>distribute, disclose >>or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any >>action in reliance on it. >>If you have received this email in error, please email the sender >>by replying to >>this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments >>from your computer. >> >>All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no >>viruses are present >>in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for >>any loss or damage arising >>from the use of this email or attachments. >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 24 00:21:48 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:21:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c501a2$4fa26660$16834c51@oemcomputer> Mono cartridge is one choice. The next is a device like the one I bought on the Net. I'm struggling to remember from whom. It is a switch box and filter that sits between the turntable and amp. You can use it to convert the signal from the turntable into mono - i.e. combined left and right channels output. It also has the advantage of being able to switch out either the left or right groove of the mono signal but passing what's output into both your L and R i/p channels of the amp. That advantage becomes apparent when you have a record that is worn more on one side of the mono track than the other - i.e. is noisier. So, you simply leave out the noisy half and record only the better half! It may have been sold by Audiophile Candy ... trouble is there is no label on the darned thing to say who makes it or where I bought it! All I can say at the moment is that it's well made, it comes from the USA and it doesn't cause any audible deterioration in sound quality. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 January 2005 13:19 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very early long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I am recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). When I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox and then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join the left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not be my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so I could do with some suggestions fast! Many thanks Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Jan 24 05:55:20 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:55:20 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual References: <200501232225.j0NMPaet006895@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <003c01c501d0$e7ed6f90$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Kermit: This little book was my first introduction to recording acoustic instruments--it was tucked in the box of the first Nak I bought (a 500) when I was 16. I also became fascinated with this illusion called sound, and how the brain processes it. As a musician, my curiosity led me into courses into acoustics and psychoacoustics at the same time I was pursuing my performance degrees. My friends thought I was a bit strange doing this, but it's given me great independence and autonomy. Based on your recommendations, I think I'll take a listen to some of the mics you mentioned. You make an important point when you state that different mics colour sound in many different ways--like you, I have always let my ears make the final choice. For years, I've been looking for the perfect mics for recording harpsichord--many times (even on big-label recordings), there appears to be both a fair amount of distortion and lack of the bright, rich overtone series the instrument produces. I know that regularly there are transients of over 40db due to the plucking action of the strings--those seem to happen so quickly they rarely register on the meters. Any ideas? Thanks for sharing your experience with us! Paul Dingle > Thanks, Paul, for getting this up so fast! > > The microphone technique described in the booklet is excellent -- I've > used it off and on for years, even with very high end gear. The method > makes me wonder if Nakamichi adapted the microphone technique described > in Bell Lab's "Symposium on Auditory Perspective." > > A must-read for all Nakamichi owners who want to record live with > microphones. > > N-Joy! > > Fugue wrote: > > My previous link is crap--let's try this again: > > > > http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > From mamster at wnx.com Mon Jan 24 07:53:55 2005 From: mamster at wnx.com (Michael Amster) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:53:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie ZX-7 question Message-ID: <41F49B83.50706@wnx.com> I am not really a newbie. I have a BX-1 which Stephen Sank helped me fix a few years back. Now I got eBay fever and got a ZX-7 that may have a few issues: This tape deck is in working order with the only problem being the reverse button does not function properly, the spindle on the right side that moves the tape does move in rewind but the right does not move ( may be a belt or a motor ) The tape deck does perform all other functions PLAY, RECORD, FAST FORWARD all function normally. Originally sold for over $1000.00 when new. I have taken many pictures to show condition, the deck is in nice shape with some scratches to the face and top. The Nakamichi ZX 7 has Left and Right input RCA jacks and Left and Right output RCA jacks, A DC output 5 pin jack (for black box), and a nine pin remote jack at the rear of the deck. The front of the deck has Memory/Timer switch, EQ setting switch, Dolby B/C noise reduction switch, MPX filter on/off switch, Monitor switch for Tape and Source, Record Mute switch, Mater Fader, Calibration controls, an Azimuth adjusting dial, along with EX / SX / ZX Tape selector settings. Any advice on parts to get to fix it? Any manuals or way to adjust settings documented? Thanks for any advice. -MA From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 24 08:15:31 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:15:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer memories Message-ID: Hi Fred, What a wonderful story - the glory days!! My goodness, that blonde sounded wonderful. I remember the Pioneer sound of that era - great for a showroom!!! The standard theory was that it was tuned for "paper" houses......Midrange was for sissies!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 24 21:57:56 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:57:56 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie ZX-7 question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D85B@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi Michael, I need a little more information from you. What do you mean when you say spindle on the right does move in Rew but the right does not move? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Amster [mailto:mamster at wnx.com] Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 5:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Newbie ZX-7 question I am not really a newbie. I have a BX-1 which Stephen Sank helped me fix a few years back. Now I got eBay fever and got a ZX-7 that may have a few issues: This tape deck is in working order with the only problem being the reverse button does not function properly, the spindle on the right side that moves the tape does move in rewind but the right does not move ( may be a belt or a motor ) The tape deck does perform all other functions PLAY, RECORD, FAST FORWARD all function normally. Originally sold for over $1000.00 when new. I have taken many pictures to show condition, the deck is in nice shape with some scratches to the face and top. The Nakamichi ZX 7 has Left and Right input RCA jacks and Left and Right output RCA jacks, A DC output 5 pin jack (for black box), and a nine pin remote jack at the rear of the deck. The front of the deck has Memory/Timer switch, EQ setting switch, Dolby B/C noise reduction switch, MPX filter on/off switch, Monitor switch for Tape and Source, Record Mute switch, Mater Fader, Calibration controls, an Azimuth adjusting dial, along with EX / SX / ZX Tape selector settings. Any advice on parts to get to fix it? Any manuals or way to adjust settings documented? Thanks for any advice. -MA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 24 22:08:26 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:08:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D85D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi Bala. My colleague here has informed me that it's nearly impossible to find the info on the processor but he is still trying for us. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 2:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering Hi Tom, That would be really great news. You can email it to me or to Victor (livingvoice..). Bala --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi guys, could not help but notice that the > processor is an NEC brand. I > might be able to help because I work at NEC and may > be able to track down > the datasheet for you. Currently I'm on holidays for > this week but I will > e-mail some people at work to see if they can help > me. I'll keep you posted. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 4:28 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hi Doug, > > Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C > from NEC. I am trying > search for the datasheet or some info on it. So far > nothing on the net. Do > you have any idea about this chip? > > Bala > > Doug Locke wrote: > > Victor > I wish all power to your elbow and look forward to > hear how you get on. > What processor did the 1000ZXL use? > > Regards. > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Digital Voice > Sent: 16 January 2005 06:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hello to all, > > I don't think I've posted on the list before, but > I've been reading > most of your posts. > I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, specificaly > by obtaining the > source code of the program. > I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a > year or so ago and > I'll try to start working on reversing the code in a > couple of weeks. > It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) > should do the trick. > The complex part will be understanding and then > comenting ! the source > code. > Having the service manual and lots of experience in > electronic design > (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, I'm > not scared by the > task. > As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the challenge. > After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date > flash micro would be > possible. > I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, > hehehe!). > > Victor > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > _____ > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:16:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse Engineering Message-ID: <1897-41F5AC12-2537@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> wow, a 100,000 dollar ,10,000 hour project to decode the 1000ZXL! i have extrapolated the figures into 5 of you working 5 hours a week, 40 weeks a year- and that means you will be done in 15 years!!!Good luck(sincerely!!).They decoded the DNA already,which had been projected to take decaedes(by using a program i think), so its possible ! thank you very much, gerald From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 10:44:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:44:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: <002401c501a2$4fa26660$16834c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050124094424.17827.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Well yes, he has such a switch on his revox reel deck. Thats why in my earlier post I mentioned about choosing channel one or two, which will route signal from either channel to both channels. As Graham said, one channel will be noisier then the other, partially due to groove wear, and also since your stereo stylus is smaller then the 1.2mils required to play mono lps. Increasing the counterweight and decreasing VTA will help the stylus sit better in the groove, but not too deep. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Mono cartridge is one choice. The next is a device > like the one I bought on > the Net. I'm struggling to remember from whom. It > is a switch box and > filter that sits between the turntable and amp. You > can use it to convert > the signal from the turntable into mono - i.e. > combined left and right > channels output. It also has the advantage of being > able to switch out > either the left or right groove of the mono signal > but passing what's output > into both your L and R i/p channels of the amp. > That advantage becomes > apparent when you have a record that is worn more on > one side of the mono > track than the other - i.e. is noisier. So, you > simply leave out the noisy > half and record only the better half! It may have > been sold by Audiophile > Candy ... trouble is there is no label on the darned > thing to say who makes > it or where I bought it! All I can say at the > moment is that it's well > made, it comes from the USA and it doesn't cause any > audible deterioration > in sound quality. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Colin Marsh > Sent: 23 January 2005 13:19 > To: naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > I have just recieved a quantity of excellent > condition on loan, very > early long playing records They date from !954 and > are all mono recordings. > I am recording onto reel to reel and also to > cassette. My preamp has no > provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I > am recording in half > track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy > has gone tits up!). When > I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 > I find the Nak > recordings Have some groove noise on the right > channel,(inherent on the > disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to > reel recordings reduce > this and also some of the other disc noises. I can > record to the ReVox and > then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs > would effectivly be dual > mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me > that I have to join the > left and right channels together. This will give a > true mono signal? I > take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or > the Naks ins? I want to > know if this could cause problems/damage with the > turntable or more so, the > Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do > have access to a true > mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed > head shell I will not be > my first choice to do this. I have limited time to > record these records so > I could do with some suggestions fast! > > Many thanks Colin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 10:59:52 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:59:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: Shalom Gar' Amazing device...I newer hear it! OK...I agreed...a mono cartridge it's OK! However, buy a mono cartridge for a few oldies....?????! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:21:48 -0000 > >Mono cartridge is one choice. The next is a device like the one I bought >on >the Net. I'm struggling to remember from whom. It is a switch box and >filter that sits between the turntable and amp. You can use it to convert >the signal from the turntable into mono - i.e. combined left and right >channels output. It also has the advantage of being able to switch out >either the left or right groove of the mono signal but passing what's >output >into both your L and R i/p channels of the amp. That advantage becomes >apparent when you have a record that is worn more on one side of the mono >track than the other - i.e. is noisier. So, you simply leave out the >noisy >half and record only the better half! It may have been sold by Audiophile >Candy ... trouble is there is no label on the darned thing to say who makes >it or where I bought it! All I can say at the moment is that it's well >made, it comes from the USA and it doesn't cause any audible deterioration >in sound quality. > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Colin Marsh > Sent: 23 January 2005 13:19 > To: naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very >early long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono >recordings. >I am recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). >When >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox >and >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join >the >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not >be >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > Many thanks Colin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 24 18:44:03 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:44:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] US source for ZX-7 rubber parts? In-Reply-To: <41F404AA.21898.B883965@localhost> Message-ID: Sorry Scot should have given the quantities. One each of the belts and idler tyre and of course two capstan pinch rollers are needed for a full service, although they may not all be worn enough to warrant changing, considering the rarity of these parts. B & W change all these parts and more in a full service, that is unless you ask them not to. But then again if they have a stock of parts, it would be like "cutting your nose off to spite your face"! taking into account the small cost incurred. Colin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Caldwell [mailto:caldwell at cvtel.net] Sent: 24 January 2005 02:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] US source for ZX-7 rubber parts? I have contacted Colin offlist to inquire about ordering ZX-7 rubber parts from B&W in England. Colin believes that B&W will sell parts via the mail. Before I pursue this further, I would like to know if these rubber parts are available from a source in the US or Canada. I am aware the Jeff Galin and Stephen Sank both bought up Nak spares from Nakamichi USA while they could. I believe that both of them reserve their parts stash for repair/restoration customers only. I have a local Nakamichi service center who can do the repairs/installation of rubber parts but do not have their own parts stock of rubber items for the ZX-7. I have the following list of needed ZX-7 rubber parts (courtesy of Colin): * Idler tyre B&W stock code CA08192 * Capstan belt " OC08096 * Counter belt " OC08098 * Control motor belt " OC08099 * Capstan rollers " Not listed, probably a standard part If any one has a US/Canadian source for the above and/or a part # for the capstan rollers I would appreciate the information. Also what quantities are needed of the above (I know 2 capstan rollers). Thanks! Regards, Scott Caldwell From bonarigo at hhmi.org Mon Jan 24 17:18:29 2005 From: bonarigo at hhmi.org (Bonarigo, Marc) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:18:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E690F93@hqexch3.hhmi.org> I'm not entirely clear about what you're trying to do. Are simply trying to record old mono LPs to your Nak? If so, I can think of 2 simple options besides using a mono cartridge: 1) Buy 2 stereo to mono Y cords (there are $2-$3 at Radio Shack in the US) and connect them together and then connect it between your turntable and preamp/Nak. This will sum the L&R channels. By doing so you will increase the combined sounds (the music) by 3 dBs and therefore reduce unique L and R sounds (clicks, pops, turntable rumble, etc) by 3 dBs relative to music. A drawback to some is that all noise will be centered. 2) Since your LPs seem to have groove noise on the right, you may want to simply buy one Y cord and combine the left channel into two identical channels. This will remove the right channel grove noise and will eliminate clicks, etc found on the R channel as well. However noise from the left channel will remain and its volume will be unchanged relative to the music. Both of these options are simple and cheap and will cause no damage whatsoever to any components. Depending on the condition of the LP, I always do one or the other when listening to (or recording) mono LPs. ________________________________ From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:19 AM To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very early long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I am recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). When I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox and then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join the left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not be my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so I could do with some suggestions fast! Many thanks Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That would really help me to understand what I'm working towards. thanks, Fred On Jan 24, 2005, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > Naktalk digest mailing list > Today's Topics: > > 1. Newbie ZX-7 question (Michael Amster) > 2. Re: Pioneer memories (Mark Hugo) > > From: Michael Amster > Date: January 23, 2005 10:53:55 PM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Newbie ZX-7 question > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > I am not really a newbie. I have a BX-1 which Stephen Sank helped me > fix a few years back. Now I got eBay fever and got a ZX-7 that may > have a few issues: > > This tape deck is in working order with the only problem being the > reverse button does not function properly, the spindle on the right > side that moves the tape does move in rewind but the right does not > move ( may be a belt or a motor ) The tape deck does perform all other > functions PLAY, RECORD, FAST FORWARD all function normally. Originally > sold for over $1000.00 when new. I have taken many pictures to show > condition, the deck is in nice shape with some scratches to the face > and top. The Nakamichi ZX 7 has Left and Right input RCA jacks and > Left and Right output RCA jacks, A DC output 5 pin jack (for black > box), and a nine pin remote jack at the rear of the deck. The front of > the deck has Memory/Timer switch, EQ setting switch, Dolby B/C noise > reduction switch, MPX filter on/off switch, Monitor switch for Tape > and Source, Record Mute switch, Mater Fader, Calibration controls, an > Azimuth adjusting dial, along with EX / SX / ZX Tape selector > settings. > > Any advice on parts to get to fix it? Any manuals or way to adjust > settings documented? Thanks for any advice. > > -MA > > > > > From: "Mark Hugo" > Date: January 23, 2005 11:15:31 PM PST > To: , > Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer memories > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Hi Fred, > > What a wonderful story - the glory days!! My goodness, that blonde > sounded wonderful. I remember the Pioneer sound of that era - great > for > a showroom!!! 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Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a high cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the cost was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would call a "Master recording" to archive. I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox "strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black ReVox reels?? I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of good type II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out when type IV cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I find it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank account!) with Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my hands on! I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes are no longer manufactured! Thanks COLIN Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono Shalom Colin & Tom! You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all such oldies will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear your final goal! Have a nice warm day! ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be ok, >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 >To: naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very early >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I >am >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). >When >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox >and >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be dual >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join >the >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want to >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, the >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a true >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not >be >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records so >I could do with some suggestions fast! > >Many thanks Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon Jan 24 22:44:55 2005 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (john) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:44:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501242144.j0OLish2024268@ylpvm29.prodigy.net> Here's what u need! http://tinyurl.com/67mdl John from Orange, CA. From b4uer at hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 23:18:52 2005 From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:18:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Purchasing Tapes ** Keith Dawson ** In-Reply-To: <014001c500bc$a95811a0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 00:08:44 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:08:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D85D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <20050124230844.97647.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Did you see the previous two posts about the first few pages on the datasheet? I think thats as far as we are going to get with this processor. Bala --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Bala. My colleague here has informed me that it's > nearly impossible to > find the info on the processor but he is still > trying for us. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 2:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > Hi Tom, > > That would be really great news. You can > email it to me or to Victor (livingvoice..). > > Bala > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: > > > Hi guys, could not help but notice that the > > processor is an NEC brand. I > > might be able to help because I work at NEC and > may > > be able to track down > > the datasheet for you. Currently I'm on holidays > for > > this week but I will > > e-mail some people at work to see if they can help > > me. I'll keep you posted. > > > > Tom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 4:28 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > > > > Hi Doug, > > > > Victor told me the processor is a UPC546C > > from NEC. I am trying > > search for the datasheet or some info on it. So > far > > nothing on the net. Do > > you have any idea about this chip? > > > > Bala > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > Victor > > I wish all power to your elbow and look forward to > > hear how you get on. > > What processor did the 1000ZXL use? > > > > Regards. > > Doug. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Digital Voice > > Sent: 16 January 2005 06:08 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL reverse engineering > > > > > > Hello to all, > > > > I don't think I've posted on the list before, but > > I've been reading > > most of your posts. > > I may be able to help with the 1000ZXL, > specificaly > > by obtaining the > > source code of the program. > > I have a 1000ZXL I got from someone on the list a > > year or so ago and > > I'll try to start working on reversing the code in > a > > couple of weeks. > > It's not an impossible task, a dissasembler (IDA) > > should do the trick. > > The complex part will be understanding and then > > comenting ! the source > > code. > > Having the service manual and lots of experience > in > > electronic design > > (25 years) and all the tools I would ever need, > I'm > > not scared by the > > task. > > As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy the > challenge. > > After that, re-writing the code for an up-to-date > > flash micro would be > > possible. > > I'll keep you posted on my progress (if any, > > hehehe!). > > > > Victor > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 25 03:54:51 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (kkenkirk) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:54:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. Message-ID: <41F5B4FB.7030903@sbcglobal.net> kkenkirk wrote: >> Ray asks: >> >> "Hello Naksters! >> I was wondering how to use my RX 505 for a recording studio. >> I am learning the Blues Harp and would like to record my songs. >> Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be >> helpful." >> >> >> Ken replies: >> >> You need a Mackie 1202. They sound very nice for the price and they have >> phantom power for condensers. You need some nice headphones to monitor. >> > > Kermit Says: Good choice! If you use only two mics, then use one of the 1202's direct outputs (channel insert points) to conect directly to the RX 505's inputs. This way, you'll bypass the EQs and summing amp, providing a cleaner and shorter signal path. Less is more with audio, more often than not. You'll probably have to use the "channel trim" knob instead of the usual level control to set gain, but it's no problem, just a little counter-intuitive. The 1202 woujld also let you use the 3-pomt pickup. If you buy a 1202, try to get the newer 1202VLZ; the older 1202s have an almost brittle sound with some instruments. N-Joy! Ken says: Yea ,yea... this is dead on information, but you are giving him all the tricks. He needs to have some fun playing with the board a bit before he goes to the purist route! :-)) But yes, you are correct, this is the way to get the best out of one of these little boards. I use mine this way to record my blues band with my Dragon when we are out and about and I don't feel like lugging around the Teac x2000r. These Naks can make spectacular direct to 2 track recordings. Less is more. I wish my Fostex Dat could record as beautifully as a well set up Nak. I sure like the ease of searching around a dat tape vs a cassette. But the analog rules to my ears. waiting for a cheap, good, SACD recorder.... Ken -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 1/24/2005 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:41:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:41:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: Dear Colin! Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till i will go to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till I sold all to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my actually in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's Radio/Tape... and I hope to my gifted Dragon! That's is all for today! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > >Hi Alex! >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless >recordings >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the records away >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two >reasons, >1. to double up on the recording time. >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term >relationship!!). > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a >high >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the >cost >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would >call a "Master recording" to archive. >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black ReVox reels?? > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of good type >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out when type IV >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I >find >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank account!) with >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my >hands on! >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes >are >no longer manufactured! > >Thanks COLIN > >Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all such oldies >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear >your final goal! > >Have a nice warm day! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be >ok, > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > Tom. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > >To: naktalk > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very >early > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I > >am > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > >When > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox > >and > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be >dual > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join > >the > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want >to > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, >the > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a >true > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not > >be > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records >so > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From one2rock at vogue.co.uk Tue Jan 25 15:18:47 2005 From: one2rock at vogue.co.uk (Tom) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:18:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> Hi, I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, however, I'm looking for some alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less maintainance), better meters. Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES or similar?) BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? best regards, Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** From paul at xenacom.net Wed Jan 26 00:45:39 2005 From: paul at xenacom.net (Paul Tombleson) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:45:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi References: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <002801c50337$fb0105c0$19d25818@prlaptop> There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...! Go for it Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > Hi, > > I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. > > I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, > however, I'm looking for some > alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less > maintainance), better meters. > > Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about > Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? > > What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- > equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES > or similar?) > > BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the > Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? > > > best regards, > Michael > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > **************************************************************************** > THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK > AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST > OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. > > CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ > **************************************************************************** > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 01:20:26 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:20:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00db01c5033c$d55ead40$6a984c51@oemcomputer> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > Dear Colin! > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till > i will go > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till > I sold all > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my > actually > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > Radio/Tape... and I > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > That's is all for today! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex! > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > >recordings > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > records away > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > >reasons, > >1. to double up on the recording time. > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > >relationship!!). > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > >high > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > >cost > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > ReVox reels?? > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of > good type > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > when type IV > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > >find > >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > account!) with > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my > >hands on! > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes > >are > >no longer manufactured! > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > >Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > such oldies > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear > >your final goal! > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be > >ok, > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > >To: naktalk > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > >early > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > recordings. I > > >am > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > recording in half > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > > >When > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > recordings reduce > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > the ReVox > > >and > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be > >dual > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > have to join > > >the > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > signal? I > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > ins? I want > >to > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or > more so, > >the > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > >true > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell > I will not > > >be > > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > these records > >so > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 26 02:49:12 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:49:12 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual In-Reply-To: <003c01c501d0$e7ed6f90$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> References: <200501232225.j0NMPaet006895@zebra.naks.com> <003c01c501d0$e7ed6f90$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Message-ID: <41F6F718.5030500@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, > This little book was my first introduction to recording acoustic > instruments--it was tucked in the box of the first Nak I bought (a 500) when > I was 16. I also became fascinated with this illusion called sound, and how > the brain processes it. As a musician, my curiosity led me into courses > into acoustics and psychoacoustics at the same time I was pursuing my > performance degrees. My friends thought I was a bit strange doing this, but > it's given me great independence and autonomy. A great start! In 1976, I visited the Smithsonian Institution and mainly lived in the Musuem of Arts & Industries. In there was a hall of antique music instruments, including a collection of some spectacular harpsichords from the 1700s. One day, I noticed three AKG D190E mics hanging from the ceiling pointed toward one end of the room. I asked a museum guide what they were for but he ddin’t know. Curiosity piqued, I kept inquiring until I found out. The Smithsonian Institution occasionally made recordings of their antique music instruments, recorded live in this hall, and sold onto cassettes and LPs. Their equipment list included the three AKG D190E mics, a Revox A77 and a Nakamichi 500! Before I left I bought an LP of harpsichord compositions of John Duphly that had been recorded on one of the best harpsichords in the collection. That LP is one of the better harpsichord recordings I’ve heard and influenced me to buy three AKG D190E mics to use with my Nakamcihi 550 -- these were the first mics I owned! > For years, I've been looking for the perfect mics for recording > harpsichord--many times (even on big-label recordings), there appears to be > both a fair amount of distortion and lack of the bright, rich overtone > series the instrument produces. I know that regularly there are transients > of over 40db due to the plucking action of the strings--those seem to happen > so quickly they rarely register on the meters. Any ideas? > My hat is off to you for recognizing this! You have THREE problems to solve: the dynamic range (headroom) of the mic, the dynamic range (headroom) of the preamp and the tonal balance of the mic. Problem 1: the dynamic range (headroom) of the mic. In other words, how much SPL can it handle? The SPL spec for a dynamic or ribbon mic are usually referred to some level of THD, typically either 0.5% or 3%. But, the SPL spec for a condensor is referred to either a THD level, which seems to be a different percentage for each brand of mic, or to the onset of clipping. So, comparing the spec sheets can be quite difficult! Two mics can both quote 128 dB SPL but one may be referred to 0.5% THD while the other is referred to the onset of clipping. The first mic will be able to handle higher SPL than 128 dB, while the second one can’t, so the two mics aren’t equal despite the same SPL spec. See? The low-level detail of harpsichord demands an almost impossible mic: sensitive with awesome transient response yet free of overloading. Mic’ing close exacerbates the problem while distance mic’ing as described in the Nakamichi booklet gives you a greater range of choices. Most studios close mic and choose the wrong microphone as well, assuming that the seemingly soft-sounding harpsichord requires a sensitive FET condensor, ignoring those 40 dB transients. Knowing these things, you can immediately rule out any condensor mic lacking an attenuator, like some Nakamichi and equivalent electrets, some MXLs and other budget mics. Likewise, IF you use a true condensor, the vacuum tube/valve units usually have an edge because tubes don’t hard clip as a rule unlike FETS. But these are pricey mics. (Beware cheapie “tube” condensors like PPA, MXL, Nady and others -- they’re electrets with starved-plate head amps. Good mics, but lacking the headroom you need for harpsichord.) A notable exception is the CAD Equitek E-100 and E-200 “servo condensor” because they have a built-in battery supply to boost their dynamic range, fast transients and quite flat response. I’ve USED both on harpsichord AND kick drum with excellent results. Fortunately, if you’re on a budget, some dynamics and ribbons have a good balance of SPL handling and low-level detail. The best mics for harpsichord that meet these criteria I’ved used are (ignoring high-end tube condensors or high-end small diaphragm condensors, nearly all of which will do well with harpsichord,) in order of price, Beyerdynamic M130 bidirectional ribbon, Beyerdynamic M160 supercardioid ribbon, Sennheiser MD441U supercardioid dynamic (with its amazing 150+ dB SPL capability and nearly 20 - 20,000 Hz response), Beyerdynamic M260 supercardioid ribbon, Sennheiser MD421U-II supercardioid dynamic (also 150+ dB SPL capability and 40 - 18,000 Hz response), Beyerdynamic MD201 supercardioid dynamic (also the older MD200 and the Revox M3500), AKG D224E, D202E, D200E, D1200E, D1000E, D190E, cardioid dynamics and the not well-known D160E-1 (but NOT the older AKG D160E). Don’t be tempted to use the high-SPL dynamics or condensors sold as drum kit microphones (like the “drum kit mic packages” offered by Beyerdynamic, AKG, Shure, Peavey, Nady, CAD, Carvin, Audix, or ElectroVoice). True, they have the SPL capability, but they’re “pre-EQ’ed” for kick drums, toms, or snares. You need a flat response mic, not an EQ’ed mic, of course. Some audiophile labels have a preference for exotic condensors like DPA, Schoeps or Earthworks. All of these are quite good, but to my tastes the Earthworks mics are too noisy and have an unpleasantly bright noise floor. DPA and Schoeps are both wonderful, albeit pricey. Other excellent small diaphragm condensors for harpsichord I’ve used are: Shure SM81 (and th emedium diaphragm KSM32 but NOT any of the other KSM series), the Oktava MC-012 sold by The Sound Room but NOT the Oktava MK-012 sold by Guitar Center or musician’s Friend, THE (The Sound Room’s house brand), Josephson, MicroTech-Gefell, and some classic vintage small-diaphragm condensor mics like Altec M21 Series, Capps, Stephens or AKG C451E (but NOT the reissue C451EB!). I hate to say this, but avoid the AKG C1000 and Solidtube, the R0DE stereo condensor (can’t think of the model), Crown SASS (noisy and lacks the headroom) or any of the PZMs they make (too noisy and continuously changing phase are major problems for harpsichord); any PA-surface mounted “boundary-layer” mic made by Shure, AKG or AudioTechnica and any ENG condensor shotgun mic, regardless of cost. Problem 2: the dynamic range (headroom) of the preamp. In other words, how much signal can it handle and how noisy is it? This is a big problem: the preamp must be able to handle those 40 dB peaks without clipping yet be quiet enough that you can set a reasonable level. Because the perceived loudness of harpsichord is 40 dB below the peak level many recordists will “overgain” the preamp. Yet, too many preamps force you to overgain to stay far enough off the noise floor to get a clean take then promptly clip the transients because they lack the headroom. Tube preamps have a real edge with harpsichord as a result; in fact, they’ll gently round the transients and behave as a sort of peak limiter, easing the dynamic range demands on the recorder itself. Then, tape compression can give you a bit more peak compression. Here’s where analog, even Nakamichi cassette decks, have a real advantage over digital! Ironically, as much as I like them, I wouldn’t use a Neve opr API preamp to record harpsichord, while some of the best transistors preamps for harpsichord are those that Nakamichi equipped its 1970s vintage products with, as well as the Revox A77’s input amps. For the Nakathon, I’ve designed an excellent, yet simple and inexpensive to make DIY tube/valve preamp that possesses the needed dynamic range. It uses a single 12AX7A/ECC83 per channel, has 50 to 55 dB gain, and is battery powered for both simplicity and noise superiority on a budget (yes, two of the batteries are 67-volt B batteries). Schematic is free for the asking to anyone on the list with the proviso that you do not make and sell them for profit. As designed, it has no phantom power, unbalanced inputs and outputs, which should be no problem for dynamic mics and mic cable runs of less than 10 Meters/33 feet. Anyone wanting phantom power or balanced inputs and outputs can easily add them, of course. I want this to be the best Nakathon ever, and a good mic preamp is vital. Problem 3: the tonal balance of the mic. In short, flat, flat or flat -- only. Any mic that has a problem with sibilance will make a harpsichord sound “tinkly” if you know what I mean. This means that, for fear of being branded a heretic, I wouldn’t grab the studio’s Neumann U87 (sibilance is a well-known problem with the U87) or any of the Chinese-sourced clones. Harpsichord is the one application that the U87 isn’t ideal for -- YET it’s often the first mic a studio will pick. Now you know one reason why so many commercial recordings of harpsichord aren’t that great. Many microphones have a “presence peak” between 5 kHz to 7 kHz; Shure is well known for this. Strangely, the small-diaphragm Neumanns, albeit excellent mics, aren’t flat enough and will sound tinkly with harpsichord. The lists of mics, above, took the tonal balance of the mic into consideration; aothugh many excellent mics exist, they didn’t make the lists because of tonal balance. Now that I’ve crashed your email server and fried your brain, I’ll leave you in peace to go insane picking out a mic. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jan 26 05:44:09 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:44:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cataloging software and database Message-ID: <20050126044409.IUCO20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Just curious what you people use to catalog your recordings, RTR, cassette, DAT, etc... Also, is there an online database for records like they have for CD's? CD's use some cddb.com website or something like that. Any info available for records? Roland From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 01:31:06 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:31:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 01:20:24 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:20:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <00da01c5033c$d41fc4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Tom I would not dismiss Tascam or esp. ReVox so readily because they, unlike just about any other maker of cassette recorders, still support most of their later models with spares. Otherwise, if you want a machine that might even outclass a Nak, and with Dolby S, keep an eye out for the special machine that was made by Arcam ... the designer of it was a Nakamichi fan and he set out to design something that would beat the best of the Nak's. I don't know if it does but may have been the last made of the truly great cassette decks. However, they are as rare as hen's teeth - they rarely come onto the 2nd hand market - and last I heard, they are still supported by Arcam. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the same would be true of Pioneer - I believe you'd probably be scratching around for spares for them as much as you would a Nakamichi ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tom > Sent: 25 January 2005 14:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. > > I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, > however, I'm looking for some > alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less > maintainance), better meters. > > Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about > Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? > > What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- > equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES > or similar?) > > BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the > Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? > > > best regards, > Michael > > __________________________________________________________________ > __________ > ****************************************************************** > ********** > THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY > VOGUE.COM UK > AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO > CONDE NAST > OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. > > > > CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bhonhoff at dds.nl Wed Jan 26 09:54:59 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:54:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> References: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <1106729699.41f75ae397a47@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Tom, I had the pleasure to test the Nak CR-7E, Sony TC-K3ES/6ES and Revox B215 side- by-side. FYI: - Nak CR-7E - E stands for Europe - Sony TC-K3ES in the US/Canada is Sony TC-K6ES in Europe (Difference is a switchable HX-Pro on the TC-K3ES, the rest is according the Manual the same) - Revox B215 is technically the same as the latest Revox Cassette-recorders only in a different (read less abusive, more attractive) box. The 'added value' of the CR-7E is (of course) missing in one of the other recorders. Consider buying a Sony - still for sale now after 8 years! Built like a tank, good sound, (almost) up to par with the top Naks. BUT make sure that it is calibrated good, preferably a High End technician who is not affiliated to Sony, since the Sony Technical Service is unable to deal with delicate High End Casssette Recorders. My experience is that Sony cassette recorders will stand time long after the others have been fade away. (I owe, next to several other Naks, several Sonys) And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its sturdiness is questionable. And is definitively not as much fun as the Sony! (You will find my complete listen experience on the web elsewhere (audio- review.com) regards, bart Quoting Tom : > Hi, > > I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. > > I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, > however, I'm looking for some > alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less > maintainance), better meters. > > Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about > Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? > > What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- > equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES > or similar?) > > BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the > Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? > > > best regards, > Michael > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > **************************************************************************** > THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK > AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST > OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. > > CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ > **************************************************************************** > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Do the SaMBa on a G3 running 350! From ti at amb.org Wed Jan 26 12:14:46 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ upgrade done Message-ID: <20050126111446.CE91C17E05@smtp.amb.org> I just finished the CR-7 record equalization upgrade myself. I did it using the official Nak tech bulletin, following every step to the letter. Wow. What an improvement! The difference is *not* subtle. After auto calibration, using the TDK MA-XG tape, I used to hear a fair bit of dulling of highs when switching between Source and Tape during recording. Now it's darn close, even when listening via Sennheiser HD-600 headphones which tend to reveal small differences readily. To recap, my CR-7 is one of the early ones without this upgrade performed at the factory. The nature of the problem with these early units is that with tapes that have "hot" high frequency response, the auto-calibration operation would set up to record with too much bias. This causes a depressed frequency response in the highs. The fix involves the replacement of some resistors and capacitors with different values, as well as the addition of some new resistors and capacitors, all on the main board. One part of this mod is a bit hacky, requiring the joining of several parts into a series-parallel contration, and inserting it into the location where a single resistor once lived. This mod has nothing to do with IEC1 vs. IEC2 EQ curves, and does not affect playback equalization at all. Now that I understand the issue, I note that some of the naktalk posts on this subject in the past were not correct. To my pleasant surprise, the CR-7 turned out to be very service-friendly. The internal design is very well thought out, much better than most other cassette decks (including Naks) I've seen. The logic board and the Dolby board are sit over the main board, but each of these are mounted with hinged brackets that allow them to be swivelled out of the way for access to the top of the main board. The bottom cover unscrews to expose the full solder side of the main board. Not a single wire or connector needs to be unbundled or disconnected to service this thing. Nice. Anyway, if you have an early CR-7 and it has not had this upgrade performed yet, then I would definitely recommend it. I don't know the exact serial number range the cutover was (where the factory-built CR-7s already incorporate this change), but I heard it's around 08677. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 12:35:44 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:35:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: <00db01c5033c$d55ead40$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050126113544.10178.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Alex, you told me you were 61 last week?! Hm...perhaps we should have a biodata page on the Naks.com page :) Bala Nelson wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > Dear Colin! > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till > i will go > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till > I sold all > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my > actually > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > Radio/Tape... and I > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > That's is all for today! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex! > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > >recordings > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > records away > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > >reasons, > >1. to double up on the recording time. > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > >relationship!!). > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > >high > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > >cost > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > ReVox reels?? > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of > good type > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > when type IV > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > >find > >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > account!) with > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my > >hands on! > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes > >are > >no longer manufactured! > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > >Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > such oldies > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear > >your final goal! > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be > >ok, > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > >To: naktalk > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > >early > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > recordings. I > > >am > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > recording in half > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > > >When > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > recordings reduce > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > the ReVox > > >and > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be > >dual > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > have to join > > >the > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > signal? I > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > ins? I want > >to > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or > more so, > >the > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > >true > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell > I will not > > >be > > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > these records > >so > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Don't just search. Find. 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 12:28:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cataloguing software and database In-Reply-To: <20050126044409.IUCO20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <010501c5039a$2ffd3f20$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Take a look at the software CD Trustee, esp. the professional version, which allows cataloguing of all your recordable media, not just CDs. The "free" version will do CDs and it's simple to use. You load the CD into your CD ROM drive and it takes some unique ID off the CD. It then checks that against a database of CDs on line and downloads the play list, etc, into your CD Trustee database. It's marvellous. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net > Sent: 26 January 2005 04:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cataloging software and database > > > Just curious what you people use to catalog your recordings, RTR, > cassette, DAT, etc... > > Also, is there an online database for records like they have for > CD's? CD's use some cddb.com website or something like that. > > Any info available for records? > > Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 12:28:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <1106729699.41f75ae397a47@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its sturdiness is questionable. " You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd always felt the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 12:28:43 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:43 -0000 Subject: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual In-Reply-To: <41F6F718.5030500@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <010601c5039a$31084680$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Fabulous post, Kermit - thank you for sharing your experience in such detail. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 26 January 2005 01:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System > Manual > > > Hi Paul, > > > This little book was my first introduction to recording acoustic > > instruments--it was tucked in the box of the first Nak I bought (a > 500) when > > I was 16. I also became fascinated with this illusion called sound, > and how > > the brain processes it. As a musician, my curiosity led me > into courses > > into acoustics and psychoacoustics at the same time I was pursuing my > > performance degrees. My friends thought I was a bit strange doing > this, but > > it's given me great independence and autonomy. > > A great start! In 1976, I visited the Smithsonian Institution and mainly > lived in the Musuem of Arts & Industries. In there was a hall of antique > music instruments, including a collection of some spectacular > harpsichords from the 1700s. > > One day, I noticed three AKG D190E mics hanging from the ceiling pointed > toward one end of the room. I asked a museum guide what they were for > but he ddin’t know. Curiosity piqued, I kept inquiring until I found > out. The Smithsonian Institution occasionally made recordings of their > antique music instruments, recorded live in this hall, and sold onto > cassettes and LPs. Their equipment list included the three AKG D190E > mics, a Revox A77 and a Nakamichi 500! Before I left I bought an LP of > harpsichord compositions of John Duphly that had been recorded on one of > the best harpsichords in the collection. That LP is one of the better > harpsichord recordings I’ve heard and influenced me to buy three AKG > D190E mics to use with my Nakamcihi 550 -- these were the first mics I > owned! > > > For years, I've been looking for the perfect mics for recording > > harpsichord--many times (even on big-label recordings), there appears > to be > > both a fair amount of distortion and lack of the bright, rich overtone > > series the instrument produces. I know that regularly there are > transients > > of over 40db due to the plucking action of the strings--those seem to > happen > > so quickly they rarely register on the meters. Any ideas? > > > > My hat is off to you for recognizing this! You have THREE problems to > solve: the dynamic range (headroom) of the mic, the dynamic range > (headroom) of the preamp and the tonal balance of the mic. > > Problem 1: the dynamic range (headroom) of the mic. In other words, how > much SPL can it handle? The SPL spec for a dynamic or ribbon mic are > usually referred to some level of THD, typically either 0.5% or 3%. > But, the SPL spec for a condensor is referred to either a THD level, > which seems to be a different percentage for each brand of mic, or to > the onset of clipping. So, comparing the spec sheets can be quite > difficult! Two mics can both quote 128 dB SPL but one may be referred to > 0.5% THD while the other is referred to the onset of clipping. The > first mic will be able to handle higher SPL than 128 dB, while the > second one can’t, so the two mics aren’t equal despite the same SPL > spec. See? The low-level detail of harpsichord demands an almost > impossible mic: sensitive with awesome transient response yet free of > overloading. > > Mic’ing close exacerbates the problem while distance mic’ing as > described in the Nakamichi booklet gives you a greater range of choices. > Most studios close mic and choose the wrong microphone as well, assuming > that the seemingly soft-sounding harpsichord requires a sensitive FET > condensor, ignoring those 40 dB transients. > > Knowing these things, you can immediately rule out any condensor mic > lacking an attenuator, like some Nakamichi and equivalent electrets, > some MXLs and other budget mics. Likewise, IF you use a true condensor, > the vacuum tube/valve units usually have an edge because tubes don’t > hard clip as a rule unlike FETS. But these are pricey mics. (Beware > cheapie “tube” condensors like PPA, MXL, Nady and others -- they’re > electrets with starved-plate head amps. Good mics, but lacking the > headroom you need for harpsichord.) A notable exception is the CAD > Equitek E-100 and E-200 “servo condensor” because they have a built-in > battery supply to boost their dynamic range, fast transients and quite > flat response. I’ve USED both on harpsichord AND kick drum with > excellent results. > > Fortunately, if you’re on a budget, some dynamics and ribbons have a > good balance of SPL handling and low-level detail. The best mics for > harpsichord that meet these criteria I’ved used are (ignoring high-end > tube condensors or high-end small diaphragm condensors, nearly all of > which will do well with harpsichord,) in order of price, Beyerdynamic > M130 bidirectional ribbon, Beyerdynamic M160 supercardioid ribbon, > Sennheiser MD441U supercardioid dynamic (with its amazing 150+ dB SPL > capability and nearly 20 - 20,000 Hz response), Beyerdynamic M260 > supercardioid ribbon, Sennheiser MD421U-II supercardioid dynamic (also > 150+ dB SPL capability and 40 - 18,000 Hz response), Beyerdynamic MD201 > supercardioid dynamic (also the older MD200 and the Revox M3500), AKG > D224E, D202E, D200E, D1200E, D1000E, D190E, cardioid dynamics and the > not well-known D160E-1 (but NOT the older AKG D160E). > > Don’t be tempted to use the high-SPL dynamics or condensors sold as drum > kit microphones (like the “drum kit mic packages” offered by > Beyerdynamic, AKG, Shure, Peavey, Nady, CAD, Carvin, Audix, or > ElectroVoice). True, they have the SPL capability, but they’re > “pre-EQ’ed” for kick drums, toms, or snares. You need a flat response > mic, not an EQ’ed mic, of course. > > Some audiophile labels have a preference for exotic condensors like DPA, > Schoeps or Earthworks. All of these are quite good, but to my tastes the > Earthworks mics are too noisy and have an unpleasantly bright noise > floor. DPA and Schoeps are both wonderful, albeit pricey. Other > excellent small diaphragm condensors for harpsichord I’ve used are: > Shure SM81 (and th emedium diaphragm KSM32 but NOT any of the other KSM > series), the Oktava MC-012 sold by The Sound Room but NOT the Oktava > MK-012 sold by Guitar Center or musician’s Friend, THE (The Sound Room’s > house brand), Josephson, MicroTech-Gefell, and some classic vintage > small-diaphragm condensor mics like Altec M21 Series, Capps, Stephens or > AKG C451E (but NOT the reissue C451EB!). > > I hate to say this, but avoid the AKG C1000 and Solidtube, the R0DE > stereo condensor (can’t think of the model), Crown SASS (noisy and lacks > the headroom) or any of the PZMs they make (too noisy and continuously > changing phase are major problems for harpsichord); any PA-surface > mounted “boundary-layer” mic made by Shure, AKG or AudioTechnica and any > ENG condensor shotgun mic, regardless of cost. > > Problem 2: the dynamic range (headroom) of the preamp. In other words, > how much signal can it handle and how noisy is it? This is a big > problem: the preamp must be able to handle those 40 dB peaks without > clipping yet be quiet enough that you can set a reasonable level. > Because the perceived loudness of harpsichord is 40 dB below the peak > level many recordists will “overgain” the preamp. Yet, too many preamps > force you to overgain to stay far enough off the noise floor to get a > clean take then promptly clip the transients because they lack the > headroom. Tube preamps have a real edge with harpsichord as a result; in > fact, they’ll gently round the transients and behave as a sort of peak > limiter, easing the dynamic range demands on the recorder itself. Then, > tape compression can give you a bit more peak compression. Here’s where > analog, even Nakamichi cassette decks, have a real advantage over > digital! Ironically, as much as I like them, I wouldn’t use a Neve opr > API preamp to record harpsichord, while some of the best transistors > preamps for harpsichord are those that Nakamichi equipped its 1970s > vintage products with, as well as the Revox A77’s input amps. > > For the Nakathon, I’ve designed an excellent, yet simple and inexpensive > to make DIY tube/valve preamp that possesses the needed dynamic range. > It uses a single 12AX7A/ECC83 per channel, has 50 to 55 dB gain, and is > battery powered for both simplicity and noise superiority on a budget > (yes, two of the batteries are 67-volt B batteries). Schematic is free > for the asking to anyone on the list with the proviso that you do not > make and sell them for profit. As designed, it has no phantom power, > unbalanced inputs and outputs, which should be no problem for dynamic > mics and mic cable runs of less than 10 Meters/33 feet. Anyone wanting > phantom power or balanced inputs and outputs can easily add them, of > course. I want this to be the best Nakathon ever, and a good mic preamp > is vital. > > Problem 3: the tonal balance of the mic. In short, flat, flat or flat -- > only. Any mic that has a problem with sibilance will make a harpsichord > sound “tinkly” if you know what I mean. This means that, for fear of > being branded a heretic, I wouldn’t grab the studio’s Neumann U87 > (sibilance is a well-known problem with the U87) or any of the > Chinese-sourced clones. Harpsichord is the one application that the U87 > isn’t ideal for -- YET it’s often the first mic a studio will pick. Now > you know one reason why so many commercial recordings of harpsichord > aren’t that great. > > Many microphones have a “presence peak” between 5 kHz to 7 kHz; Shure is > well known for this. Strangely, the small-diaphragm Neumanns, albeit > excellent mics, aren’t flat enough and will sound tinkly with harpsichord. > > The lists of mics, above, took the tonal balance of the mic into > consideration; aothugh many excellent mics exist, they didn’t make the > lists because of tonal balance. > > Now that I’ve crashed your email server and fried your brain, I’ll leave > you in peace to go insane picking out a mic. > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 26 13:00:50 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:00:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <002801c50337$fb0105c0$19d25818@prlaptop> References: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> <002801c50337$fb0105c0$19d25818@prlaptop> Message-ID: <41F78672.8050308@snet.net> It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: >There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...! >Go for it >Paul >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. >> >>I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, >>however, I'm looking for some >>alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less >>maintainance), better meters. >> >>Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about >>Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? >> >>What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- >>equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES >>or similar?) >> >>BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the >>Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? >> >> >>best regards, >>Michael >> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________________________ > > >**************************************************************************** > > >>THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM >> >> >UK > > >>AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE >> >> >NAST > > >>OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. >> >>CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ >> >> >> >**************************************************************************** > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 26 13:53:14 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:53:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Hi Michael, One must bear in mind what makes Nakamichi special and then you'll realise that it is technical very difficult, (perhaps even unreasonable to expect) to find better cassette decks. Most of Nakamichi mechanical design elements were patented in industrialised countries throughout the world giving them a near unbeatable advantage for over 20 years. Certain characteristics/outcomes are the result of Nak mechanics, head design (triple laminated crystalloy) and electronics. A near complete absence of head-bumps in the bass region and a close to ruler - flat responses for most of their decks, in particular the three headers are major features. Only Alpage heads gave similar performances regarding the absence of low frequency waffle and bloom (contour effect). Technics thin film head (amorphous-Z designed for DCC) as used in the RS-AZ6 and RS-AZ7 in the role of play back heads gives a similarly faultless precision in the bass. Added to this, a useable HF performance extending to 34kHz. Useable is defined as around -6dB. My non-Naks all have their strengths, weaknesses and likeable idiosyncracies. I like them all. Pioneer machines have their merits, but it can be said that you either like the Pioneer sound (or are in the mood for Pioneer sound this evening) or you don't. Look for the later CT-S units, preferably the double capstan ones annotated "Reference Master" transports. Favourites would be CT-S610; 710 and 810 from '92ish; or CT-S640 (single cap but classy mechanism), CT-S740S, CT-S830S, CT-S920S (from '95-'97), and of course CT-91a, CT-93 and CT-95 (aka CT-1100). Older Pioneers worth looking for are CT-A7 and CT-A9 (ribbon sendust heads) and the CT-900/1000 and 1250 (x-tal). Sony are more neutral. Favourites are the dual cap decks between '88 and the present day, especially the ES series. Nonetheless, you'd struggle to fault a single cap TC-KA2ES thanks to the ceramic holder, sorbothane stabiliser etc. The A3ES/A6ES can still be had new here and there. Look out for classics like 333ES, 444ES, 555ES, 870ES, 909ES, A5/7/9ES) Bear in mind that legends can be misleading, for instance a TC-KE500S (UK) is the same deck as the TC-KA1ES (USA). Helpful huh? It could be that the Sony you mention was the best ever Sony ((TC-K990ES), but then again, the under-the-skin engineering did not change that radically from year to year. Apart from the lack of Dolby S, you be hard pushed to get better, more durable Sonys than those from around the turn of the decade before last (say 88-92). I liked the later styling more though. A gold finished 909 or A9ES would be about the rarest top Sony. Looking for the ultimate Dolby S implementation? I would say the TEAC V-8030S. It's the quartz-locked direct drive version of the V-6030S. More neutral sounding than others and great back-up from TEAC, unlike the others. Manufacturers like Akai (GX-52, 65, 6,7,8, 75, 95, 95II), Aiwa (XK-007/9, XK-S7000/9000) TEAC V6000, 7000, 8000S, 6030S, 8030S), Yamaha (KX-800, 930, 1200) , JVC (TD-1010TN, TD-1050TN), and Technics(RS-B100, 808, 828, 905, 945, 965 etc) made good decks. Even Kenwood's KX9050S was no slouch. Enjoy the music (a plagiarised comment from another Naktalker!!) Marc Quoting Tom : > Hi, > > I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. > > I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, > however, I'm looking for some > alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less > maintainance), better meters. > > Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about > Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? > > What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- > equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES > or similar?) > > BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the > Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? > > > best regards, > Michael > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > **************************************************************************** > THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK > AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST > OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. > > CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: http://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ > **************************************************************************** > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Do the SaMBa on a G3 running 350! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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They were made for a very short time until, for somewhat hushed reasons Alpine suddenly stopped making home gear (which were mainly cassette decks). Mine, I bought in 1983 and it still sounds fantastic (high head voltages, by the way, same as Nak, ReVox, Uher and Tandberg). Beware that it's almost a certainly that Alpine will not be able to support the machine with parts or expertise in any shape or form. Top models were the AL-80, -85 and -90. Marc >>> martinferreira at hotmail.com 01/26/05 02:31AM >>> Has anyone heard the ALPINE AL61 or other 3 head decks from that brand? >From: "Tom" >Reply-To: one2rock at vogue.co.uk, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:18:47 +0000 > >Hi, > >I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. > >I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, >however, I'm looking for some >alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less >maintainance), better meters. > >Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about >Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? > >What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- >equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES >or similar?) > >BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the >Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? > > >best regards, >Michael > >____________________________________________________________________________ >**************************************************************************** >THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK >AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST >OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. > >CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: http://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ >**************************************************************************** >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Send email straight to your blog. 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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 26 14:20:50 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:20:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Hi Gra' Arcam's deck was the Delta 100, a massive super-deck for UK Sterling 800.00. The transport was a Denon DRM800A and the Dolby S cicuit was the original multi-chipset. The semi-conductors were expensive and hand-selected. Stereophile reviewed it and compared with two portable DAT decks and a professional DAT deck. Using TDK MA, with Dolby S engaged, they said that it was a convincing win for the Arcam over the portables, and pretty well neck-a-neck with the pro-DAT machine. They reviewer loved it and pronounced the law of "terminal pinaccling". It applies to both science and marketing - "that every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." This wasn't the first time that analogue thumped digital convincingly. Around the same time Ken Pohlman from Stereo Review (hardly a luddite) compared the new TEAC V-2030S (quite low on the food chain) with the equally new Sony MD-JSE510 Minidisc deck. Clever as the MD was, the TEAC beat it on sheer sound quality. Cheers Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/26/05 02:20AM >>> Tom I would not dismiss Tascam or esp. ReVox so readily because they, unlike just about any other maker of cassette recorders, still support most of their later models with spares. Otherwise, if you want a machine that might even outclass a Nak, and with Dolby S, keep an eye out for the special machine that was made by Arcam ... the designer of it was a Nakamichi fan and he set out to design something that would beat the best of the Nak's. I don't know if it does but may have been the last made of the truly great cassette decks. However, they are as rare as hen's teeth - they rarely come onto the 2nd hand market - and last I heard, they are still supported by Arcam. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the same would be true of Pioneer - I believe you'd probably be scratching around for spares for them as much as you would a Nakamichi ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tom > Sent: 25 January 2005 14:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. > > I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, > however, I'm looking for some > alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less > maintainance), better meters. > > Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about > Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? > > What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- > equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES > or similar?) > > BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the > Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? > > > best regards, > Michael > > __________________________________________________________________ > __________ > ****************************************************************** > ********** > THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY > VOGUE.COM UK > AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO > CONDE NAST > OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. > > > > CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: http://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 26 14:29:41 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:29:41 +0200 Subject: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Live Recording: Thanks Kermit Message-ID: That was fascinating Kermit - archived already for reference purposes. Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/26/05 01:28PM >>> Fabulous post, Kermit - thank you for sharing your experience in such detail. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 26 January 2005 01:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System > Manual > > > Hi Paul, > > > This little book was my first introduction to recording acoustic > > instruments--it was tucked in the box of the first Nak I bought (a > 500) when > > I was 16. I also became fascinated with this illusion called sound, > and how > > the brain processes it. As a musician, my curiosity led me > into courses > > into acoustics and psychoacoustics at the same time I was pursuing my > > performance degrees. My friends thought I was a bit strange doing > this, but > > it's given me great independence and autonomy. > > A great start! In 1976, I visited the Smithsonian Institution and mainly > lived in the Musuem of Arts & Industries. In there was a hall of antique > music instruments, including a collection of some spectacular > harpsichords from the 1700s. > > One day, I noticed three AKG D190E mics hanging from the ceiling pointed > toward one end of the room. I asked a museum guide what they were for > but he ddin't know. Curiosity piqued, I kept inquiring until I found > out. The Smithsonian Institution occasionally made recordings of their > antique music instruments, recorded live in this hall, and sold onto > cassettes and LPs. Their equipment list included the three AKG D190E > mics, a Revox A77 and a Nakamichi 500! Before I left I bought an LP of > harpsichord compositions of John Duphly that had been recorded on one of > the best harpsichords in the collection. That LP is one of the better > harpsichord recordings I've heard and influenced me to buy three AKG > D190E mics to use with my Nakamcihi 550 -- these were the first mics I > owned! > > > For years, I've been looking for the perfect mics for recording > > harpsichord--many times (even on big-label recordings), there appears > to be > > both a fair amount of distortion and lack of the bright, rich overtone > > series the instrument produces. I know that regularly there are > transients > > of over 40db due to the plucking action of the strings--those seem to > happen > > so quickly they rarely register on the meters. Any ideas? > > > > My hat is off to you for recognizing this! You have THREE problems to > solve: the dynamic range (headroom) of the mic, the dynamic range > (headroom) of the preamp and the tonal balance of the mic. > > Problem 1: the dynamic range (headroom) of the mic. In other words, how > much SPL can it handle? The SPL spec for a dynamic or ribbon mic are > usually referred to some level of THD, typically either 0.5% or 3%. > But, the SPL spec for a condensor is referred to either a THD level, > which seems to be a different percentage for each brand of mic, or to > the onset of clipping. So, comparing the spec sheets can be quite > difficult! Two mics can both quote 128 dB SPL but one may be referred to > 0.5% THD while the other is referred to the onset of clipping. The > first mic will be able to handle higher SPL than 128 dB, while the > second one can't, so the two mics aren't equal despite the same SPL > spec. See? The low-level detail of harpsichord demands an almost > impossible mic: sensitive with awesome transient response yet free of > overloading. > > Mic'ing close exacerbates the problem while distance mic'ing as > described in the Nakamichi booklet gives you a greater range of choices. > Most studios close mic and choose the wrong microphone as well, assuming > that the seemingly soft-sounding harpsichord requires a sensitive FET > condensor, ignoring those 40 dB transients. > > Knowing these things, you can immediately rule out any condensor mic > lacking an attenuator, like some Nakamichi and equivalent electrets, > some MXLs and other budget mics. Likewise, IF you use a true condensor, > the vacuum tube/valve units usually have an edge because tubes don't > hard clip as a rule unlike FETS. But these are pricey mics. (Beware > cheapie "tube" condensors like PPA, MXL, Nady and others -- they're > electrets with starved-plate head amps. Good mics, but lacking the > headroom you need for harpsichord.) A notable exception is the CAD > Equitek E-100 and E-200 "servo condensor" because they have a built-in > battery supply to boost their dynamic range, fast transients and quite > flat response. I've USED both on harpsichord AND kick drum with > excellent results. > > Fortunately, if you're on a budget, some dynamics and ribbons have a > good balance of SPL handling and low-level detail. The best mics for > harpsichord that meet these criteria I'ved used are (ignoring high-end > tube condensors or high-end small diaphragm condensors, nearly all of > which will do well with harpsichord,) in order of price, Beyerdynamic > M130 bidirectional ribbon, Beyerdynamic M160 supercardioid ribbon, > Sennheiser MD441U supercardioid dynamic (with its amazing 150+ dB SPL > capability and nearly 20 - 20,000 Hz response), Beyerdynamic M260 > supercardioid ribbon, Sennheiser MD421U-II supercardioid dynamic (also > 150+ dB SPL capability and 40 - 18,000 Hz response), Beyerdynamic MD201 > supercardioid dynamic (also the older MD200 and the Revox M3500), AKG > D224E, D202E, D200E, D1200E, D1000E, D190E, cardioid dynamics and the > not well-known D160E-1 (but NOT the older AKG D160E). > > Don't be tempted to use the high-SPL dynamics or condensors sold as drum > kit microphones (like the "drum kit mic packages" offered by > Beyerdynamic, AKG, Shure, Peavey, Nady, CAD, Carvin, Audix, or > ElectroVoice). True, they have the SPL capability, but they're > "pre-EQ'ed" for kick drums, toms, or snares. You need a flat response > mic, not an EQ'ed mic, of course. > > Some audiophile labels have a preference for exotic condensors like DPA, > Schoeps or Earthworks. All of these are quite good, but to my tastes the > Earthworks mics are too noisy and have an unpleasantly bright noise > floor. DPA and Schoeps are both wonderful, albeit pricey. Other > excellent small diaphragm condensors for harpsichord I've used are: > Shure SM81 (and th emedium diaphragm KSM32 but NOT any of the other KSM > series), the Oktava MC-012 sold by The Sound Room but NOT the Oktava > MK-012 sold by Guitar Center or musician's Friend, THE (The Sound Room's > house brand), Josephson, MicroTech-Gefell, and some classic vintage > small-diaphragm condensor mics like Altec M21 Series, Capps, Stephens or > AKG C451E (but NOT the reissue C451EB!). > > I hate to say this, but avoid the AKG C1000 and Solidtube, the R0DE > stereo condensor (can't think of the model), Crown SASS (noisy and lacks > the headroom) or any of the PZMs they make (too noisy and continuously > changing phase are major problems for harpsichord); any PA-surface > mounted "boundary-layer" mic made by Shure, AKG or AudioTechnica and any > ENG condensor shotgun mic, regardless of cost. > > Problem 2: the dynamic range (headroom) of the preamp. In other words, > how much signal can it handle and how noisy is it? This is a big > problem: the preamp must be able to handle those 40 dB peaks without > clipping yet be quiet enough that you can set a reasonable level. > Because the perceived loudness of harpsichord is 40 dB below the peak > level many recordists will "overgain" the preamp. Yet, too many preamps > force you to overgain to stay far enough off the noise floor to get a > clean take then promptly clip the transients because they lack the > headroom. Tube preamps have a real edge with harpsichord as a result; in > fact, they'll gently round the transients and behave as a sort of peak > limiter, easing the dynamic range demands on the recorder itself. Then, > tape compression can give you a bit more peak compression. Here's where > analog, even Nakamichi cassette decks, have a real advantage over > digital! Ironically, as much as I like them, I wouldn't use a Neve opr > API preamp to record harpsichord, while some of the best transistors > preamps for harpsichord are those that Nakamichi equipped its 1970s > vintage products with, as well as the Revox A77's input amps. > > For the Nakathon, I've designed an excellent, yet simple and inexpensive > to make DIY tube/valve preamp that possesses the needed dynamic range. > It uses a single 12AX7A/ECC83 per channel, has 50 to 55 dB gain, and is > battery powered for both simplicity and noise superiority on a budget > (yes, two of the batteries are 67-volt B batteries). Schematic is free > for the asking to anyone on the list with the proviso that you do not > make and sell them for profit. As designed, it has no phantom power, > unbalanced inputs and outputs, which should be no problem for dynamic > mics and mic cable runs of less than 10 Meters/33 feet. Anyone wanting > phantom power or balanced inputs and outputs can easily add them, of > course. I want this to be the best Nakathon ever, and a good mic preamp > is vital. > > Problem 3: the tonal balance of the mic. In short, flat, flat or flat -- > only. Any mic that has a problem with sibilance will make a harpsichord > sound "tinkly" if you know what I mean. This means that, for fear of > being branded a heretic, I wouldn't grab the studio's Neumann U87 > (sibilance is a well-known problem with the U87) or any of the > Chinese-sourced clones. Harpsichord is the one application that the U87 > isn't ideal for -- YET it's often the first mic a studio will pick. Now > you know one reason why so many commercial recordings of harpsichord > aren't that great. > > Many microphones have a "presence peak" between 5 kHz to 7 kHz; Shure is > well known for this. Strangely, the small-diaphragm Neumanns, albeit > excellent mics, aren't flat enough and will sound tinkly with harpsichord. > > The lists of mics, above, took the tonal balance of the mic into > consideration; aothugh many excellent mics exist, they didn't make the > lists because of tonal balance. > > Now that I've crashed your email server and fried your brain, I'll leave > you in peace to go insane picking out a mic. > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 14:35:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:35:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <41F78672.8050308@snet.net> Message-ID: <001b01c503ab$d6810dc0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the belts changing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...! Go for it Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi, I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, however, I'm looking for some alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less maintainance), better meters. Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES or similar?) 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URL: From bhonhoff at dds.nl Wed Jan 26 14:54:41 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:54:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> References: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1106747681.41f7a1213c78c@webmail.dds.nl> Hi Graham, The robustness of Revox Cassetterecorders is not at par with their R2R. (Nor with Naks or High End Sony's) My Revox B215 (Black) had several issues, which - I agree - could be serviced by an Revox Service - if it still existed in Holland. At a considerable price! My problems with the Revox: - No reliable contacts. - Tape-travel is not as smooth expected. Dual Capstan is not as good implemented as on a simple ;-) Nak 700/480/580 to name a few. And replacement of tape-travel parts is due much quicker than Naks. (every 2 years) - A tape door does not exist and is prown to dust. - The meter-display failed due to transport issues and replacement costed 300 euro, according the new -unhappy- owner. Of course the Tape Calibrating System is nice as is that the tape is always transported to the beginning of the tape, so your tape recording starts immediately instead of 7 secs. of silence. I'm glad I sold it. (With a considerably loss 1000 euro to 150 euro after 7 years) (My Nak CR7E was brought around the same time for 1000 euro and is a lot more worth than 150 euro) regards, bart honhoff Quoting Nelson : > Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its > sturdiness is questionable. " > > You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd always felt > the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. > > Gra' > > > > Do the SaMBa on a G3 running 350! From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Wed Jan 26 15:05:14 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono References: <20050126113544.10178.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c503b0$0f0d8980$0200a8c0@lan> Hi, today I am 62..........Maybe a nestor's devision in Naktalk? Johan Berserik, Lelystad, Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono Alex, you told me you were 61 last week?! Hm...perhaps we should have a biodata page on the Naks.com page :) Bala Nelson wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > Dear Colin! > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till > i will go > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-70! 0 two track...till > I sold all > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my > actually > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > Radio/Tape... and I > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > That's is all for today! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex! > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > >recordings > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > records away > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > >reasons, > >1. to double up on the recording time. > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > >relationship!!). > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > >high > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > >cost > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single trac! k mono give me what I would > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > ReVox reels?? > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of > good type > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > when type IV > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > >find > >it diffic! ult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > account!) with > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my > >hands on! > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes > >are > >no longer manufactured! > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > >Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > such oldies > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear > >your final goal! > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be > >ok, > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > ! > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > >To: naktalk > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > >early > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > recordings. I > > >am > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > recording in half > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > > >When > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inheren! t on the > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > recordings reduce > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > the ReVox > > >and > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be > >dual > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > have to join > > >the > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > signal? I > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > ins? I want > >to > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or > more so, > >the > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > >true > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell > I will not > > >be >! ; > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > these records > >so > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Don't just search. Find. 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 26 15:02:01 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:02:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> References: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41F7A2D9.9090008@snet.net> Stephen Sank noted that the main problem with the Revox is that the flywheels are very heavy and can cause excess wear to the bearings. Otherwise, the Revox is a solid as a brick. Ed Nelson wrote: >Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its >sturdiness is >questionable. " > >You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd always felt >the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 26 15:05:14 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:05:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Alex, I must apologise for not being very understanding in the first part of this thread, But it slipped my memory that some of the members do not have English as their first language! I will try harder in future! I myself should know better because until the age of 25 (I am now 55!) I could not read or write in ANY language due to dyslexia and an uncaring education system. It took my another 15 years and a lot of hard work to fully overcome my problems! I now collect LP records and recordings (old and new) big time! as I still believe the listening experience from a well recorded LP is far more enjoyable than that given by most Compact disc. I get most enjoyment from some of the very early mono LPs played thru one speaker fed from a valve (Tube amp). The piano is my preferred instrument (although I myself cannot play a single note!). Surprisingly, in my home you can often hear very famous pianists playing a grand piano! at the moment Dame Mira Hess is giving a performance! No. I am not a madman! I own an AEOLIN Duo-Art Reproducing grand piano! (it was my grandfathers) This is a very advanced Player piano (Pianola?). WHEN? it is working properly its rolls can produce an almost perfect rendition of the artist who played for the original roll recording. I am now worried that the piano is nearing the end of its working life (they age naturally)! I am now about to embark on a marathon recording session! so as to have copies of my precious rolls! That is, when I finally master the art of live recording! I am not there yet! but I have just acquired a "Dummy head" microphone from the 1980s and I get a feeling this is going to work! At last I may see how my Naks perform with microphones!! This thread seems to have gone "Off Topic" a little! Hope the moderator understands? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono Dear Colin! Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till i will go to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till I sold all to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my actually in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's Radio/Tape... and I hope to my gifted Dragon! That's is all for today! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > >Hi Alex! >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless >recordings >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the records away >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two >reasons, >1. to double up on the recording time. >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term >relationship!!). > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a >high >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the >cost >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would >call a "Master recording" to archive. >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black ReVox reels?? > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of good type >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out when type IV >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I >find >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank account!) with >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my >hands on! >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes >are >no longer manufactured! > >Thanks COLIN > >Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all such oldies >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear >your final goal! > >Have a nice warm day! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be >ok, > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > Tom. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > >To: naktalk > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very >early > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. I > >am > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in half > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > >When > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings reduce > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the ReVox > >and > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be >dual > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to join > >the > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? I > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I want >to > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, >the > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a >true > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will not > >be > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these records >so > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 15:06:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:06:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002501c503b0$2e53d2e0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> But better in what sense? Design? Recording accuracy? Playback accuracy? Longevity? Maintenance frequency? For example, I recall Carlos and some others measuring recording accuracy - in Carlos's case, he compared a factory spec' (Sankified?) Dragon with a ReVox B215 and a Tandberg (forget the model # off hand) and the Revox and Tandberg won - dead flat response rate whereas the Dragon curved. BUT when it came to measured playback, the Dragon beat the ReVox and Tandberg. Longevity ... In some places within the UK there are B215's that run 24/7/365 stopping only for the occasional maintenance routine. Were there any Nak's that could do that? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Bauer Sent: 26 January 2005 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Not to be smart, but, I didn't know there was any better quality than when NAKAMICHI was at their top before the decline in analog technology. Second, what, exactly, do you mean by ' better meters '? Greg Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 26 15:30:40 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:30:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Message-ID: <41F7A990.50900@sbcglobal.net> Kermit says: snip happens... "Some audiophile labels have a preference for exotic condensors like DPA, Schoeps or Earthworks. All of these are quite good, but to my tastes the Earthworks mics are too noisy and have an unpleasantly bright noise floor." Ken says: Excellent post Kermit. A lot of information!! But I love my Earthworks. They sound great on strings. I also use them for overheads on my Tamas. I never noticed the brittle sound or the noise floor myself. But I bet the rest of your gear is way better than mine. I just have a Mackie 24/8 buss board and a Tascam TSR 8. I was going to recommend them as a nice pair of condensers for a reasonable price... One needs a nice stash of microphones!! From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 26 15:41:37 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:41:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <200501251418.AA644022438@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michael, To the best of my knowledge, there are few cassette decks built better than the early Nacks, A testament to this is the fact that so many are still around and working! and the fact we can still get parts and service for 20+ year old Naks! You will not find it possible to keep more modern machines in full working order, Trust me on this, I have a storeroom full of these machines with no chance of being repaired! mainly because parts are not around! as to Sony and Pioneer? I have four of thier range topping machines, that are still in their Nappies if compared to say a Nak, Dragon or ZX, They are dead due to built in obsolescence! I have machines by Revox, Nakamichi and Teac that can still be repaired (at a cost) but the build quality of newer machines leave much to be desired! Most Nak users (I believe) I have met don't use Dolby Noise reduction as it adds more than it takes away, I myself use DBX if I want a really quiet master recording , but DBX has its issues as well, and is not that popular.! Possibly your answer is to move away from analogue and try digital? This is obviously the preferred future of recording audio (But may I say, not mine) that I know little about! These stated opinions are mine and I am sure that many will disagree. I wish you luck! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Tom [mailto:one2rock at vogue.co.uk] Sent: 25 January 2005 14:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi, I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, however, I'm looking for some alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less maintainance), better meters. Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES or similar?) BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? best regards, Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. 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I have a Yamaha KX-690 (Dolby S, HX Pro) which does a better recording job than my CR-5 in the high frequencies. Low end the Nak was ever so slightly better. The Nak also sounds better on other decks. The CR-5 tapes sounded much better on the Yamaha than the Yamaha tape sounded on the Nak. The Dragon, which I managed to record one song with before I sent it to the shop, sounded really, really sweet. But I didn't do a direct comparison. At 09:06 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote: >But better in what sense? Design? Recording accuracy? Playback >accuracy? Longevity? Maintenance frequency? > >For example, I recall Carlos and some others measuring recording accuracy >- in Carlos's case, he compared a factory spec' (Sankified?) Dragon with a >ReVox B215 and a Tandberg (forget the model # off hand) and the Revox and >Tandberg won - dead flat response rate whereas the Dragon curved. BUT >when it came to measured playback, the Dragon beat the ReVox and Tandberg. > >Longevity ... In some places within the UK there are B215's that run >24/7/365 stopping only for the occasional maintenance routine. Were there >any Nak's that could do that? > >Gra' >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Greg Bauer >Sent: 26 January 2005 12:07 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > >Not to be smart, but, I didn't know there was any better quality than when >NAKAMICHI was at their top before the decline in analog >technology. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 16:31:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:31:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: <005f01c503b0$0f0d8980$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <003d01c503bc$0a981080$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Many congratulations to you, too - somebody give this man a spare Nak Dragon!!! (And one for me for suggesting the idea ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Berserik, J.E. Sent: 26 January 2005 14:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] recording in mono Hi, today I am 62..........Maybe a nestor's devision in Naktalk? Johan Berserik, Lelystad, Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono Alex, you told me you were 61 last week?! Hm...perhaps we should have a biodata page on the Naks.com page :) Bala Nelson wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > Dear Colin! > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till > i will go > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-70! 0 two track...till > I sold all > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my > actually > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > Radio/Tape... and I > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > That's is all for today! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex! > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > >recordings > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > records away > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > >reasons, > >1. to double up on the recording time. > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > >relationship!!). > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > >high > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > >cost > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single trac! k mono give me what I would > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > ReVox reels?? > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of > good type > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > when type IV > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > >find > >it diffic! ult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > account!) with > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my > >hands on! > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes > >are > >no longer manufactured! > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > >Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > such oldies > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear > >your final goal! > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be > >ok, > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > ! > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > >To: naktalk > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > >early > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > recordings. I > > >am > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > recording in half > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > > >When > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inheren! t on the > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > recordings reduce > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > the ReVox > > >and > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be > >dual > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > have to join > > >the > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > signal? I > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > ins? I want > >to > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or > more so, > >the > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > >true > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell > I will not > > >be >! ; > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > these records > >so > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Don't just search. Find. 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(BTW, @ almost 50 I have only just discovered I'm probably dyslexic, too!!! May be learning might have been less of a damned heartache and struggle if someone had spotted this earlier, but in the late 1950's and 1960's people like me were simply shouted at or smacked for not paying attention! Even now, I get a mild panic attack every time I go inside my children's classroom ... Rapid retReat to ZX-9, put on Mozart or Bach, RELAX .....) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Colin Marsh > Sent: 26 January 2005 14:05 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > Dear Alex, I must apologise for not being very understanding in > the first > part of this thread, But it slipped my memory that some of the members do > not have English as their first language! I will try harder in future! I > myself should know better because until the age of 25 (I am now > 55!) I could > not read or write in ANY language due to dyslexia and an uncaring > education > system. It took my another 15 years and a lot of hard work to fully > overcome my problems! I now collect LP records and recordings > (old and new) > big time! as I still believe the listening experience from a well recorded > LP is far more enjoyable than that given by most Compact disc. I get most > enjoyment from some of the very early mono LPs played thru one > speaker fed > from a valve (Tube amp). The piano is my preferred instrument (although I > myself cannot play a single note!). Surprisingly, in my home you > can often > hear very famous pianists playing a grand piano! at the moment Dame Mira > Hess is giving a performance! No. I am not a madman! I own an AEOLIN > Duo-Art Reproducing grand piano! (it was my grandfathers) This is a very > advanced Player piano (Pianola?). WHEN? it is working properly its rolls > can produce an almost perfect rendition of the artist who played for the > original roll recording. I am now worried that the piano is > nearing the end > of its working life (they age naturally)! I am now about to embark on a > marathon recording session! so as to have copies of my precious > rolls! That > is, when I finally master the art of live recording! I am not there yet! > but I have just acquired a "Dummy head" microphone from the 1980s > and I get > a feeling this is going to work! At last I may see how my Naks > perform with > microphones!! > This thread seems to have gone "Off Topic" a little! Hope the moderator > understands? > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > Dear Colin! > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till > i will go > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till > I sold all > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my actually > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > Radio/Tape... and I > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > That's is all for today! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex! > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > >recordings > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > records away > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > >reasons, > >1. to double up on the recording time. > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > >relationship!!). > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > >high > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > >cost > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > ReVox reels?? > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of > good type > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > when type IV > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > >find > >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > account!) with > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my > >hands on! > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes > >are > >no longer manufactured! > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > >Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > such oldies > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear > >your final goal! > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be > >ok, > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > >To: naktalk > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > >early > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > recordings. I > > >am > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > recording in half > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > > >When > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > recordings reduce > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > the ReVox > > >and > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be > >dual > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > have to join > > >the > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > signal? I > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > ins? I want > >to > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, > >the > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > >true > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell > I will not > > >be > > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > these records > >so > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 16:17:54 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:17:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: <00db01c5033c$d55ead40$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Thanks so much...my lovely UK Buddy!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:20:26 -0000 > >HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR >ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > Dear Colin! > > > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very > > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect >4 > > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till > > i will go > > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox > > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till > > I sold all > > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a > > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was >the > > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my > > actually > > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > > Radio/Tape... and I > > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > > > That's is all for today! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Alex! > > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > > >recordings > > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > > records away > > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > > >reasons, > > >1. to double up on the recording time. > > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > > >relationship!!). > > > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > > >high > > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > > >cost > > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" >deep!!) > > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I >would > > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > > ReVox reels?? > > > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of > > good type > > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > > when type IV > > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > > >find > > >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last >few > > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > > account!) with > > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get >my > > >hands on! > > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that >cassettes > > >are > > >no longer manufactured! > > > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > > > >Original Message----- > > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > > such oldies > > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal >clear > > >your final goal! > > > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will >be > > >ok, > > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > > >To: naktalk > > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > > >early > > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > > recordings. I > > > >am > > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > > recording in half > > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits >up!). > > > >When > > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on >the > > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > > recordings reduce > > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > > the ReVox > > > >and > > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly >be > > >dual > > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > > have to join > > > >the > > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > > signal? I > > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > > ins? I want > > >to > > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or > > more so, > > >the > > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > > >true > > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell > > I will not > > > >be > > > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > > these records > > >so > > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Jan 26 17:15:55 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:15:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ Upgrade Message-ID: <002301c503c2$50ca4860$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ti, Congratulations....nice work, and thanks for the description of the process. Very informative! Many hours of happy recording ahead with a great classic Nak recording masterpiece. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Jan 26 17:01:10 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: <005f01c503b0$0f0d8980$0200a8c0@lan> References: <20050126113544.10178.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c503b0$0f0d8980$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <41F7BEC6.10809@cox.net> Well! It's comforting to know I'm not the oldest one on Naktalk these days. Thank you, Johan and Alex! Tim, 51 Berserik, J.E. wrote: > Hi, today I am 62..........Maybe a nestor's devision in Naktalk? > > Johan Berserik, Lelystad, Netherlands > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:35 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > Alex, you told me you were 61 last week?! Hm...perhaps we should > have a biodata page on the Naks.com page :) > > Bala > > */Nelson >/* wrote: > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY > BIRTHDAY DEAR > ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > Dear Colin! > > > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, > an a very > > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp > records, I collect 4 > > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, > till > > i will go > > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R > decks, Revox > > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-70! 0 two > track...till > > I sold all > > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the > cassette with a > > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last > vintage Nak was the > > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I > received my > > actually > > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > > Radio/Tape... and I > > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > > > That's is all for today! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Alex! > > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have > large, quality > > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > > >recordings > > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > > records away > > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a > huge amount of > > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes > only, for two > > >reasons, > > >1. to double up on the recording time. > > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my > long term > > >relationship!!). > > > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK > pounds each, a > > >high > > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 > reels, but the > > >cost > > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not > "That" deep!!) > > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single trac! k mono give > me what I would > > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am > not so worried > > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in > time, they are > > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my > "Daily use" > > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the > reel tapes > > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the > "Edge" on > > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight > than a ReVox > > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > > ReVox reels?? > > > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the > possibility of > > good type > > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > > when type IV > > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now > running low,I > > >find > > >it diffic! ult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have > over the last few > > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > > account!) with > > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any > others I can get my > > >hands on! > > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes > that cassettes > > >are > > >no longer manufactured! > > > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > > > >Original Message----- > > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE > CHANEL...to > > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > > such oldies > > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's > allowed with NO > > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE > speaker...record in Stereo. > > > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very > crystal clear > > >your final goal! > > > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads > together it will be > > >ok, > > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > ! > > > Tom. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > > >To: naktalk > > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on > loan, very > > >early > > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > > recordings. I > > > >am > > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My > preamp has no > > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > > recording in half > > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has > gone tits up!). > > > >When > > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I > find the Nak > > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right > channel,(inheren! t on the > > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > > recordings reduce > > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > > the ReVox > > > >and > > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would > effectivly be > > >dual > > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > > have to join > > > >the > > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > > signal? I > > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > > ins? I want > > >to > > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the > turntable or > > more so, > > >the > > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have > access to a > > >true > > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head > shell > > I will not > > > >be > >! ; > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > > these records > > >so > > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download > today it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > &! gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 16:34:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:34:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono Message-ID: Lovely Colin! Please No apologies...it;s 100% truth that you English is 100% better that mine, and I'm very happy that today you are 55 I'm 61...NO much difference at al...and we like Lp records, that's is really formidable! Also good to read that today you are completely normal with your dyslexia...I have a close friend that once like you had the same problem...NOW is like you completely cured! Bravo!!! Be well and thanks for your heart full sincerity with me! I appreciated very much! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:05:14 -0000 > > Dear Alex, I must apologise for not being very understanding in the >first >part of this thread, But it slipped my memory that some of the members do >not have English as their first language! I will try harder in future! I >myself should know better because until the age of 25 (I am now 55!) I >could >not read or write in ANY language due to dyslexia and an uncaring education >system. It took my another 15 years and a lot of hard work to fully >overcome my problems! I now collect LP records and recordings (old and new) >big time! as I still believe the listening experience from a well recorded >LP is far more enjoyable than that given by most Compact disc. I get most >enjoyment from some of the very early mono LPs played thru one speaker fed >from a valve (Tube amp). The piano is my preferred instrument (although I >myself cannot play a single note!). Surprisingly, in my home you can often >hear very famous pianists playing a grand piano! at the moment Dame Mira >Hess is giving a performance! No. I am not a madman! I own an AEOLIN >Duo-Art Reproducing grand piano! (it was my grandfathers) This is a very >advanced Player piano (Pianola?). WHEN? it is working properly its rolls >can produce an almost perfect rendition of the artist who played for the >original roll recording. I am now worried that the piano is nearing the >end >of its working life (they age naturally)! I am now about to embark on a >marathon recording session! so as to have copies of my precious rolls! >That >is, when I finally master the art of live recording! I am not there yet! >but I have just acquired a "Dummy head" microphone from the 1980s and I get >a feeling this is going to work! At last I may see how my Naks perform with >microphones!! >This thread seems to have gone "Off Topic" a little! Hope the moderator >understands? > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Dear Colin! > >Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. >However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, an a very >extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp records, I collect 4 >turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, till i will go >to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R decks, Revox >A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-700 two track...till I sold all >to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the cassette with a >Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last vintage Nak was the >600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I received my actually >in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. >I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's Radio/Tape... and >I >hope to my gifted Dragon! > >That's is all for today! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex! > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have large, quality > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > >recordings > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the records >away > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a huge amount of > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes only, for two > >reasons, > >1. to double up on the recording time. > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my long term > >relationship!!). > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK pounds each, a > >high > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 reels, but the > >cost > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not "That" deep!!) > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single track mono give me what I would > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am not so worried > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in time, they are > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my "Daily use" > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the reel tapes > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the "Edge" on > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight than a ReVox > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black ReVox >reels?? > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the possibility of good >type > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out when type >IV > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now running low,I > >find > >it difficult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have over the last few > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank account!) >with > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any others I can get my > >hands on! > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes that cassettes > >are > >no longer manufactured! > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > >Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE CHANEL...to > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all such >oldies > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's allowed with NO > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE speaker...record in Stereo. > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very crystal clear > >your final goal! > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads together it will be > >ok, > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > >To: naktalk > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on loan, very > >early > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono recordings. >I > > >am > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My preamp has no > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am recording in >half > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has gone tits up!). > > >When > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I find the Nak > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right channel,(inherent on the > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel recordings >reduce > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to the >ReVox > > >and > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would effectivly be > >dual > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I have to >join > > >the > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono signal? >I > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks ins? I >want > >to > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the turntable or more so, > >the > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have access to a > >true > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head shell I will >not > > >be > > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record these >records > >so > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > >http://search.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========----------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 17:40:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:40:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono In-Reply-To: <41F7BEC6.10809@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050126164024.1570.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Any guess who would be the youngest? Bala Tim Barrett wrote: Well! It's comforting to know I'm not the oldest one on Naktalk these days. Thank you, Johan and Alex! Tim, 51 Berserik, J.E. wrote: > Hi, today I am 62..........Maybe a nestor's devision in Naktalk? > > Johan Berserik, Lelystad, Netherlands > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:35 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > Alex, you told me you were 61 last week?! Hm...perhaps we should > have a biodata page on the Naks.com page :) > > Bala > > */Nelson > >/* wrote: > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... HAPPY > BIRTHDAY DEAR > ALEX... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! HIP HIP! HOORAY!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 25 January 2005 11:42 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > Dear Colin! > > > > Go forward...as you intend to do it! I completely agreed. > > However as I collect together with my lovely pass away Dad, > an a very > > extensively Lp records, I will continue listening Lp > records, I collect 4 > > turntables and a lot of cartridges, so being today 61 years, > till > > i will go > > to "Heaven"...I'm full loaded...also once I own many R to R > decks, Revox > > A-77 Mk-3 Dolby, B-77 and my last one the A-70! 0 two > track...till > > I sold all > > to an a small studio here in Israel, and enter to the > cassette with a > > Nakamichi Tri-Tracer 1000/2...700/2 , 500 and my last > vintage Nak was the > > 600/2...changing to some Akai Teac Denon and before I > received my > > actually > > in use Nak Dragon I use a Tandberg TD-310. > > I will remain loyal to cassettes (Easy also for my car's > > Radio/Tape... and I > > hope to my gifted Dragon! > > > > That's is all for today! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:45:35 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Alex! > > >I belong to a small "Club" of music lovers, We all have > large, quality > > >record collections. We trust each enough to share our priceless > > >recordings > > >and the best way to do this (we find) is to actually take the > > records away > > >and copy them in our preferred format. I therefore do a > huge amount of > > >recording, using much recording Media. This is my hobby! > > > > > >I am recording in Mono using one track on the reel tapes > only, for two > > >reasons, > > >1. to double up on the recording time. > > >2. to conserve my tape stock, and my bank Balance (and my > long term > > >relationship!!). > > > > > >Reel tapes are getting hard to come by and are, at 18 UK > pounds each, a > > >high > > >cost recording option (I have managed to get another 100 > reels, but the > > >cost > > >was high! 1500 UK pounds ((US$2800)) and my pocket is not > "That" deep!!) > > >And also by recording at 7.5 ips. Single trac! k mono give > me what I would > > >call a "Master recording" to archive. > > >I naturally record across both tracks on the Nak as I am > not so worried > > >about diminishing cassette tape stocks at this moment in > time, they are > > >available and cheap. I add these recorded cassettes to my > "Daily use" > > >library, and these are the tapes I listen to. I Archive the > reel tapes > > >because the open reel format (in my opinion!) still has the > "Edge" on > > >Cassette, and also there cant be a more impressive sight > than a ReVox > > >"strutting its stuff" loaded with two of the "beautiful black > > ReVox reels?? > > > > > >I must admit to being a little paranoid about the > possibility of > > good type > > >II cassettes disappearing from the shelves! I was caught out > > when type IV > > >cassettes disappeared and my stock of these tapes are now > running low,I > > >find > > >it diffic! ult to replenish the cassettes I use. I have > over the last few > > >months filled a large walk in wardrobe (and emptied my bank > > account!) with > > >Type II Maxell's, TDK. Quantegy masters, BASF and any > others I can get my > > >hands on! > > >I think it will not surprise any of us when the day comes > that cassettes > > >are > > >no longer manufactured! > > > > > >Thanks COLIN > > > > > >Original Message----- > > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > > >Sent: 24 January 2005 03:20 > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > >Shalom Colin & Tom! > > > > > >You Colin don't clearified...exactly your intentions? > > > > > >Do you want to record those Mono oldies USING ONLY ONE > CHANEL...to > > >economisid tapes? So with less rell or cassettes quanttity all > > such oldies > > >will be recorded???? OR...as Tom sujest you...and it's > allowed with NO > > >damage at all?. As I listen ONLY trough ONE > speaker...record in Stereo. > > > > > >Please dear Colin open your mind and write to us; you very > crystal clear > > >your final goal! > > > > > >Have a nice warm day! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:07 +1100 > > > > > > > >Colin I think that if you join the turntable leads > together it will be > > >ok, > > > >there will be no damage done to your pre-amp or turntable. > > > > > ! > > > Tom. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk] > > > >Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 12:19 > > > >To: naktalk > > > >Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono > > > > > > > > > > > >I have just recieved a quantity of excellent condition on > loan, very > > >early > > > >long playing records They date from !954 and are all mono > > recordings. I > > > >am > > > >recording onto reel to reel and also to cassette. My > preamp has no > > > >provision to switch into mono, the Revox has, and I am > > recording in half > > > >track mono (to save on my Tape stocks now Quantegy has > gone tits up!). > > > >When > > > >I compare the recordings made on the ReVox and a ZX7 I > find the Nak > > > >recordings Have some groove noise on the right > channel,(inheren! t on the > > > >disks due to wear and age). The true mono reel to reel > > recordings reduce > > > >this and also some of the other disc noises. I can record to > > the ReVox > > > >and > > > >then transfere to the Nak, as the ReVoxs line outs would > effectivly be > > >dual > > > >mono? but I dont have the time. A friend told me that I > > have to join > > > >the > > > >left and right channels together. This will give a true mono > > signal? I > > > >take it I have to do this at the turntable outs or the Naks > > ins? I want > > >to > > > >know if this could cause problems/damage with the > turntable or > > more so, > > >the > > > >Nak? its just come back from a repair/service. I do have > access to a > > >true > > > >mono pick-up head but as my pick up arm has a fixed head > shell > > I will not > > > >be > >! ; > >my first choice to do this. I have limited time to record > > these records > > >so > > > >I could do with some suggestions fast! > > > > > > > >Many thanks Colin > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Don't just search. Find. 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I appreciated >very much! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 17:46:35 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <001b01c503ab$d6810dc0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050126164635.62424.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Like the Aiwa F990? They had a really good sound. My dad made some tapes on it way back in 87 and 88. Today when I play them back on the 680ZX...WOW! Bala Nelson wrote: Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the belts changing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...!Go for itPaul----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AMSubject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi,I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders.I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity,however, I'm looking for somealternatives with newer technology and better built quality (lessmaintainance), better meters.Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What aboutPioneers Top Tape Recorders?What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration-equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ESor similar?)BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in theNakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models?best regards,Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE.CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:43:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System In-Reply-To: <41F7A990.50900@sbcglobal.net> References: <41F7A990.50900@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41F7E4EB.3070406@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken! Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Kermit says: snip happens... > > "Some audiophile labels have a preference for exotic condensors like DPA, > Schoeps or Earthworks. All of these are quite good, but to my tastes the > Earthworks mics are too noisy and have an unpleasantly bright noise > floor." > > Ken says: > > Excellent post Kermit. A lot of information!! > > But I love my Earthworks. They sound great on strings. I also use them > for overheads on my Tamas. I never noticed the brittle sound or the > noise floor myself. But I bet the rest of your gear is way better than > mine. I just have a Mackie 24/8 buss board and a Tascam TSR 8. I was > going to recommend them as a nice pair of condensers for a reasonable > price... One needs a nice stash of microphones!! Let me correct something...Earthworks are great mics, with no harshness normally no doubt! Good or strings and overheads, but the focus of my description was the specialized and unusually demanding case of recording harpsichord. In this ONE INSTANCE (harpsichord), Earthworks, like the otherwise-excellent Neumann U87, are not the best choice and will tend toward harshness if used close. The SR77 especially so. It's surprising the number of otherwise great mics that aren't suited to harpsichord. You have some good mics there! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jan 26 20:54:24 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:54:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cataloguing software and database In-Reply-To: <010501c5039a$2ffd3f20$6a984c51@oemcomputer> References: <20050126044409.IUCO20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126145414.01b7de28@pop.east.cox.net> Thanks Gra' Will do!! At 11:28 AM 1/26/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Take a look at the software CD Trustee, esp. the professional version, which >allows cataloguing of all your recordable media, not just CDs. The "free" >version will do CDs and it's simple to use. You load the CD into your CD >ROM drive and it takes some unique ID off the CD. It then checks that >against a database of CDs on line and downloads the play list, etc, into >your CD Trustee database. It's marvellous. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net > > Sent: 26 January 2005 04:44 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cataloging software and database > > > > > > Just curious what you people use to catalog your recordings, RTR, > > cassette, DAT, etc... > > > > Also, is there an online database for records like they have for > > CD's? CD's use some cddb.com website or something like that. > > > > Any info available for records? > > > > Roland > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 26 20:21:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:21:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's ears In-Reply-To: References: <200501241100.j0OB0Ceu008944@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <41F7EDD1.6070309@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred! Great question! To start, check these audiophile record label’s catalogs and pick the appropriate repertoire: Analog Productions Originals, sold through Acoustic Sounds, web address is below. Audition the amazing recording of Jimmy Rogers titled BLUE BIRD, especially the title track. Owned and operated by Chad Kassem. Chesky http://www.chesky.com/homepage/index.cfm CDs of note -- Kenny Rankin, BECAUSE OF YOU, especially track “Always.”; also anything of Sara K and Ana Caram. Diversity Records, Ltd. http://www.diversityrecords.net/ Owned by my friend Paul Weitzel. Want to hear amazing vocals? Get the CD by The Inner Voices titled AND SO IT GOES. Why is it the best? I recorded it. [Subliminal message: I will buy this.] You’ll hear the Nakamichi 3-mic technique in action; the gear included three of my Type 77A tube/valve mic preamps and my echo plate. Mapleshade http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/index.php has som eexcellent vocal and guitar. Reference Recordings http://www.referencerecordings.com/ is overall outstanding with fanatic attention to technical detail. Telarc http://www.telarc.com/ the archetypal audiophile label. Waterlily Acoustics http://www.waterlilyacoustics.com/main.htm is one of the most demanding and excellent technically. Amazingly lifelike recordings done right. This is just a small list of possibilities. Acoustic Sounds http://store.acousticsounds.com/ is an ideal place to buy online. They have a comprehensive list of audiophile labels on their web site, which makes an excellent way to find other great recordings! Besides this list, I do have a few surviving 1970s master cassettes of band demos recorded using the Nakamichi 3-mic system directly to a Nakamchi 550. If you want I can sort through my tapes and copy a few tracks to CD for you. Compare these recordings with the audiophile recordings listed above and you’ll be surprised what you can do with little gear. Be warned: these are band demos and not virtuoso performances. “Great recordings of not great music,” a friend once quipped. Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Kermit, > Thanks for all the wonderful posts of late, I'm learning a lot. I may > even pick up one of those 1202 boards once my axe gets out of the shop. > I'm wondering which are your favorite, commerically available recordings > that, for you, demonstrate good recording technique? Especially if you > can recommend something in the vocals/acoustic guitar vein. That would > really help me to understand what I'm working towards. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 27 01:14:35 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:14:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ upgrade done Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D868@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Ti did you have to do any re-calibration to the deck in terms of adjusting pots inside? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: ti at amb.org [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 10:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ upgrade done I just finished the CR-7 record equalization upgrade myself. I did it using the official Nak tech bulletin, following every step to the letter. Wow. What an improvement! The difference is *not* subtle. After auto calibration, using the TDK MA-XG tape, I used to hear a fair bit of dulling of highs when switching between Source and Tape during recording. Now it's darn close, even when listening via Sennheiser HD-600 headphones which tend to reveal small differences readily. To recap, my CR-7 is one of the early ones without this upgrade performed at the factory. The nature of the problem with these early units is that with tapes that have "hot" high frequency response, the auto-calibration operation would set up to record with too much bias. This causes a depressed frequency response in the highs. The fix involves the replacement of some resistors and capacitors with different values, as well as the addition of some new resistors and capacitors, all on the main board. One part of this mod is a bit hacky, requiring the joining of several parts into a series-parallel contration, and inserting it into the location where a single resistor once lived. This mod has nothing to do with IEC1 vs. IEC2 EQ curves, and does not affect playback equalization at all. Now that I understand the issue, I note that some of the naktalk posts on this subject in the past were not correct. To my pleasant surprise, the CR-7 turned out to be very service-friendly. The internal design is very well thought out, much better than most other cassette decks (including Naks) I've seen. The logic board and the Dolby board are sit over the main board, but each of these are mounted with hinged brackets that allow them to be swivelled out of the way for access to the top of the main board. The bottom cover unscrews to expose the full solder side of the main board. Not a single wire or connector needs to be unbundled or disconnected to service this thing. Nice. Anyway, if you have an early CR-7 and it has not had this upgrade performed yet, then I would definitely recommend it. I don't know the exact serial number range the cutover was (where the factory-built CR-7s already incorporate this change), but I heard it's around 08677. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 26 20:26:27 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:26:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> References: <010701c5039a$36d4f4a0$6a984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41F7EEE3.1070007@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its > sturdiness is > questionable. " > > You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd always felt > the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. My Revox B710, a wonderful sounding deck when it works right, is a pain in the neck. It overheats, its transport has tiny precision actuator pins that wear out causing horrible flutter-and-wow, the teeny-weeny pinch rollers' bearing accumulate dirt and add to the flutter-and-wow woes, and it won't hold calibration for more than about 200 hours. The deck is what we call a "bench queen" because it always needs something fixed or adjusted. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 26 20:33:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:33:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Using a RX 505 as a recording studio. In-Reply-To: <41F5B4FB.7030903@sbcglobal.net> References: <41F5B4FB.7030903@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41F7F071.7050201@woods-and-waters.com> kkenkirk wrote: >>> Ray asks: >>> Any information on hooking up a mic to the 505 and recording would be >>> helpful." >>> >>> Ken replies: >>> >>> You need a Mackie 1202. > > Kermit Says: > > Good choice! If you use only two mics, then use one of the 1202's direct > outputs (channel insert points) to conect directly to the RX 505's > inputs. This way, you'll bypass the EQs and summing amp, providing a > cleaner and shorter signal path. Less is more with audio, more often > than not. You'll probably have to use the "channel trim" knob instead of > the usual level control to set gain, but it's no problem, just a little > counter-intuitive. > Ken says: > > Yea ,yea... this is dead on information, but you are giving him all the > tricks. He needs to have some fun playing with the board a bit before he > goes to the purist route! :-)) Ain't I a stinker! :-) > I wish my Fostex Dat could record as > beautifully as a well set up Nak. I sure like the ease of searching > around a dat tape vs a cassette. But the analog rules to my ears. Hey, at least you didn't waste big money on an HHB DAT, sonly to have a Nak cassette deck beat it! Gah! > waiting for a cheap, good, SACD recorder.... Actually, we're getting close. The Tascam 2-channel deck isn't too costly and the Genex multitrack DSD-capable machines are outstanding -- quite analog-like. About $5,000 for a 24-track (the model 9000, I think), which isn't anywhere near the cost of a Studer A800 2-inch or a good-condition 3M 79 ... which you now cannot buy tapes for! I rented a Pyramix system last year but was disappointed with it. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 26 20:49:16 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... In-Reply-To: <002c01c503cc$019ceb80$771d0cd0@r7g1f8> References: <002c01c503cc$019ceb80$771d0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <41F7F43C.5040000@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Randall, JVB/RHG wrote: > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being > "off center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about > making money more than about making sound??? The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of LPs overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a product is, or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company cannot make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some point. For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the popularity of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's uninpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is excellent, although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's arm). Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for example, whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" most buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to learn that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s and Cd players in the 1990s because the association of their name with cassettes is so strong. N-Joy -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 23:30:59 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:30:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... Message-ID: Dear Randall! To my knowledge, the two only turntables that Nakamichi made was at that years very expensive and rare...+ of course that they DO NOT sell enough for receive back all the "R & D" account! Yes at that era was something amazing with such "Off Center" solution, BUT...they want to earn money also...and THIS do not happen!!!! (With those two amazing products!) ALEX! >From: "JVB/RHG" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "NAKTALK" >Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:25:18 -0800 > >I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony >Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off >center." > >Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on it, >and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about making >money more than about making sound??? > >Randall in Seattle >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 23:31:13 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:31:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <20050126164635.62424.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c503f6$bded2280$e6da883e@oemcomputer> I have an AD1800 and ... can't see it so I'll guess ...an AD1700. The former - still a 2 header - was top dog when I bought it, save for a really cool looking ski slope model. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 26 January 2005 16:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Like the Aiwa F990? They had a really good sound. My dad made some tapes on it way back in 87 and 88. Today when I play them back on the 680ZX...WOW! Bala Nelson wrote: Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the belts changing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...! Go for it Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi, I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, however, I'm looking for some alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less maintainance), better meters. Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES or similar?) BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? best regards, Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. 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Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 26 23:31:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:31:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <002c01c503cc$019ceb80$771d0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <00d201c503f6$c1978ce0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the middle ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of JVB/RHG Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 To: NAKTALK Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off center." Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about making money more than about making sound??? Randall in Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 27 02:59:49 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:59:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ upgrade done In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D868@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> from "Thomas Siomopoulos" at Jan 27, 2005 11:14:35 AM Message-ID: <20050127015949.A0470F0E2@smtp.amb.org> Thomas Siomopoulos writes: > Ti did you have to do any re-calibration to the deck in terms of adjusting > pots inside? No, I didn't. In my case, I don't think one was necessary. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jan 27 03:41:29 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:41:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <001b01c503ab$d6810dc0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> References: <001b01c503ab$d6810dc0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41F854D9.7030600@snet.net> The meters on my old Aiwa actually would top just about any Nak meter. This deck actually had two sets of needles in each meter. One would show average vu while the other was fast response peak. It was like having a mini set of old studio mastering meters... sweet stuff! Ed Nelson wrote: > Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as > a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one > having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn > on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the > belts changing. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch > too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than > Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. > > Ed > > Paul Tombleson wrote: > >>There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...! >>Go for it >>Paul >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tom" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >> >> >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. >>> >>>I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, >>>however, I'm looking for some >>>alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less >>>maintainance), better meters. >>> >>>Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about >>>Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? >>> >>>What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- >>>equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES >>>or similar?) >>> >>>BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the >>>Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? >>> >>> >>>best regards, >>>Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >>**************************************************************************** >> >> >>>THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM >>> >>> >>UK >> >> >>>AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE >>> >>> >>NAST >> >> >>>OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. >>> >>>CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ >>> >>> >>> >>**************************************************************************** >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 10:39:41 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:39:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <00cd01c503f6$bded2280$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050127093941.82451.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Wow.. suprsingly for the guys who rolled out Japan's first cassette deck and gave pretty interesting models, theres very little about them. In Japan itself, there is a fanatic following (they are fanatic about everything). So there are a few Jap websites, which my basic Japanese cant follow at times. One thing that I always liked was their DATA system which used a microcomputer to adjust bias eq and calibration. I think this neat system must have come from Nakamichi. But tapes recorded with and without this adjustment had quite a great difference. B Nelson wrote: I have an AD1800 and ... can't see it so I'll guess ...an AD1700. The former - still a 2 header - was top dog when I bought it, save for a really cool looking ski slope model. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 26 January 2005 16:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Like the Aiwa F990? They had a really good sound. My dad made some tapes on it way back in 87 and 88. Today when I play them back on the 680ZX...WOW! Bala Nelson wrote: Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the belts changing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...!Go for itPaul----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AMSubject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi,I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders.I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity,however, I'm looking for somealternatives with newer technology and better built quality (lessmaintainance), better meters.Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What aboutPioneers Top Tape Recorders?What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration-equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ESor similar?)BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in theNakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models?best regards,Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE.CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 27 12:53:02 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:53:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? Message-ID: I am on a buying spree at the moment! I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX Equipped Aiwa EXCELIA deck, This is because when making second generation copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded recordings is a good copying medium. Most of these recordings are not replaceable and being a little paranoid, I am worried that the Aiwa machine will die on me and make all these cassettes unplayable on non DBX equipped cassette decks! I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks, I have a choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, a model 224. This model has the following information on the rear " Type II. Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction unit", it comes with full original instructions. I want to know if the reference to "Tape" is a reference to cassette and reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will cause problems / damage working with a 3 head Nak? also what are your "Views" on DBX noise reduction? Thanks. Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 27 13:29:03 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:29:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <41F7EEE3.1070007@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003a01c5046b$c9c6fc00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> V interesting - thanks for the info/warning! "bench queen" - I love that phrase!!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 26 January 2005 19:26 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its > > sturdiness is > > questionable. " > > > > You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd > always felt > > the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. > > My Revox B710, a wonderful sounding deck when it works right, is a pain > in the neck. It overheats, its transport has tiny precision actuator > pins that wear out causing horrible flutter-and-wow, the teeny-weeny > pinch rollers' bearing accumulate dirt and add to the flutter-and-wow > woes, and it won't hold calibration for more than about 200 hours. > > The deck is what we call a "bench queen" because it always needs > something fixed or adjusted. > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 10:45:21 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... In-Reply-To: <41F7F43C.5040000@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050127094521.48080.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous by B and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the market. B "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Randall, JVB/RHG wrote: > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being > "off center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about > making money more than about making sound??? The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of LPs overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a product is, or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company cannot make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some point. For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the popularity of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's uninpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is excellent, although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's arm). Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for example, whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" most buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to learn that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s and Cd players in the 1990s because the association of their name with cassettes is so strong. N-Joy -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 27 11:28:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:28:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Message-ID: My ultimate Gra'! Please...BE realistic!!!! for only 2 or 3 records, I'm 500% sure that it's NOT imperative to spell money looking forward for a Nak CT-Dragon!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:31:19 -0000 > > >Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - >never >kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the >middle ... > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >JVB/RHG >Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 >To: NAKTALK >Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony >Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off >center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on >it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about >making >money more than about making sound??? > > Randall in Seattle >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 27 13:29:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:29:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <41F854D9.7030600@snet.net> Message-ID: <003b01c5046b$cb723b00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> Interesting! Mine have a needle per channel AND two LEDs for the overall level, a yellow LED and a red one. When the Red goes on, it meant the recording level is too high. The idea was to set the level so the Red only flickered on and off occasionally, thus maximising the recording level. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 27 January 2005 02:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi The meters on my old Aiwa actually would top just about any Nak meter. This deck actually had two sets of needles in each meter. One would show average vu while the other was fast response peak. It was like having a mini set of old studio mastering meters... sweet stuff! Ed Nelson wrote: Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the belts changing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...! Go for it Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi, I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders. I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity, however, I'm looking for some alternatives with newer technology and better built quality (less maintainance), better meters. Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What about Pioneers Top Tape Recorders? What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration- equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ES or similar?) BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in the Nakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models? best regards, Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 27 13:56:26 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:56:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F8E4FA.7040400@cox.net> On the DBX 224, the reference to tape on the back is simply a line-level input and output. It will work with either cassette, r-r, or even 8 track if you are so inclined. Colin Marsh wrote: > I am on a buying spree at the moment! > I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX Equipped > Aiwa EXCELIA deck, This is because when making second generation > copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded recordings is a > good copying medium. Most of these recordings are not replaceable > and being a little paranoid, I am worried that the Aiwa machine will > die on me and make all these cassettes unplayable on non DBX equipped > cassette decks! > I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks, I have a > choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, a model > 224. This model has the following information on the rear " Type II. > Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction unit", it comes > with full original instructions. > I want to know if the reference to "Tape" is a reference to cassette > _and_ reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will cause > problems / damage working with a 3 head Nak? also what are your > "Views" on DBX noise reduction? > > Thanks. > Colin > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmcalli at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 13:59:10 2005 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <00d201c503f6$c1978ce0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050127125910.43795.qmail@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nelson, Depends on what you regard as significant runout. About a third of my LP's have visible horizontal runout. If I took the time to measure them, I'd bet most of them have at least several thousandths of an inch of measurable runout. The Nakamichi people thought it was a significant enough problem that they spent a lot of effort to measure and reduce it. The Dragon CT will measure and correct for very minor runout, which can affect stylus tracking and playback. Vertical runout (warpage) is more significant in LP's, but when the Dragon CT was developed there were already methods available to correct for warpage (gravity and vacuum clamping systems). The Dragon CT is renown not only for its platter centering mechanism. Not considering this "peculiarity," it's an excellent, solid direct-drive turntable that weighs 20 kg and does justice to the best recordings and MC cartridges. James Nelson wrote: Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the middle ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of JVB/RHG Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 To: NAKTALK Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off center." Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about making money more than about making sound??? Randall in Seattle ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 27 14:28:22 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:28:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Message-ID: <41F8EC76.7050005@sbcglobal.net> Kermit says: "Let me correct something...Earthworks are great mics, with no harshness normally no doubt! Good or strings and overheads, but the focus of my description was the specialized and unusually demanding case of recording harpsichord. In this ONE INSTANCE (harpsichord), Earthworks, like the otherwise-excellent Neumann U87, are not the best choice and will tend toward harshness if used close. The SR77 especially so. It's surprising the number of otherwise great mics that aren't suited to harpsichord. You have some good mics there! N-Joy!" Ken replies: Thanks! I was not following the thread closely enough. I have no experience with a harpsichord. But I have noticed if I get too close to an acoustic guitar, the balance starts to tip up a bit with the Earthworks. Again thanks for your informative posts! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 27 14:51:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:51:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005d01c50477$5cc59880$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> Quite so! Exactly my own conclusion, Alex!! It's not worth it at such a cost. the investment would be better spent elsewhere in the chain, like a decent arm and cartridge ... Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 27 January 2005 10:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > My ultimate Gra'! > > Please...BE realistic!!!! for only 2 or 3 records, I'm 500% sure > that it's > NOT imperative to spell money looking forward for a Nak CT-Dragon!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:31:19 -0000 > > > > > >Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - > >never > >kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the > >middle ... > > > >Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >JVB/RHG >Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 >To: NAKTALK >Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony >Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off >center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on >it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about >making >money more than about making sound??? > > Randall in Seattle >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 27 14:51:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:51:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <009f01c50462$51033d00$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <005e01c50477$5e154a00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> "Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK?" Wouter probably has a better handle on this than me as he has direct contact with the famous Tom van den Hoff, who used to do much of the work on the Nak' cassette decks. But I'd guess the simple reason for TransTec pulling out, and (I understand) sending their spares to B&W, is that servicing Nak's just isn't commercially viable for them anymore. There's not enough profit in it. That's Capitalism!! (And, before they stopped doing this work, they turned work away even when it was offered them from outside Holland - they refused to service my ZX-9 even though it was one they originally sold and serviced for its previous Dutch owner. "Go to B&W!" they insisted.) Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 16:41:39 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:41:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <005e01c50477$5e154a00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050127154140.60571.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> I think US will have only Jeff Galin doing service work - while Nak spare parts center does not return calls and I do not know whether they take cassette deck repairs any more? Since US has good number of Naks compared to any other country - they will continue to have somebody doing it for some more time - I guess. kannan Nelson wrote: "Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK?" Wouter probably has a better handle on this than me as he has direct contact with the famous Tom van den Hoff, who used to do much of the work on the Nak' cassette decks. But I'd guess the simple reason for TransTec pulling out, and (I understand) sending their spares to B&W, is that servicing Nak's just isn't commercially viable for them anymore. There's not enough profit in it. That's Capitalism!! (And, before they stopped doing this work, they turned work away even when it was offered them from outside Holland - they refused to service my ZX-9 even though it was one they originally sold and serviced for its previous Dutch owner. "Go to B&W!" they insisted.) Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 27 23:51:13 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:51:13 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D86D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for downloading. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobf at oodg.net Thu Jan 27 17:40:35 2005 From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:40:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? Message-ID: <200501271640.CLR66291@ms9.netsolmail.com> It will also work as a loop with DBX encoded albums which was the most common usage. I have the same feature on my Luxman deck and it works great. Bob ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:56:26 -0500 >From: Tim Barrett >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > On the DBX 224, the reference to tape on the back is simply a > line-level input and output. It will work with either cassette, > r-r, or even 8 track if you are so inclined. > > Colin Marsh wrote: > > I am on a buying spree at the moment! > I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX > Equipped Aiwa EXCELIA deck, This is because when making second > generation copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded > recordings is a good copying medium. Most of these recordings > are not replaceable and being a little paranoid, I am worried that > the Aiwa machine will die on me and make all these cassettes > unplayable on non DBX equipped cassette decks! > I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks, I > have a choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, > a model 224. This model has the following information on the rear > " Type II. Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction > unit", it comes with full original instructions. > I want to know if the reference to "Tape" is a reference to > cassette and reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will > cause problems / damage working with a 3 head Nak? also what are > your "Views" on DBX noise reduction? > > Thanks. > Colin > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >________________ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Bob Folline Senior Architect Object Oriented Design Group, Inc. 2208 201st Ave SE Sammamish, WA 98075 From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jan 27 18:28:41 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:28:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Serial number list Message-ID: <20050127172841.TBI1657.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Does anyone have the URL for the webpage that showed the breakdown of serial numbers for CR7 decks? I seemed to have misplaced it but it showed the IEC and gear mod breadown by serial numbers. Roland From esteyes at cox.net Thu Jan 27 18:33:37 2005 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:33:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: DBX with Nak In-Reply-To: <200501271259.j0RCxJeu022198@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001c50496$564057b0$6500a8c0@DAD> colin wrote: ************************************************************************** Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:53:02 -0000 From: "Colin Marsh" Subject: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? To: "naktalk" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am on a buying spree at the moment! I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX Equipped Aiwa EXCELIA deck, This is because when making second generation copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded recordings is a good copying medium. Most of these recordings are not replaceable and being a little paranoid, I am worried that the Aiwa machine will die on me and make all these cassettes unplayable on non DBX equipped cassette decks! I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks, I have a choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, a model 224. This model has the following information on the rear " Type II. Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction unit", it comes with full original instructions. I want to know if the reference to "Tape" is a reference to cassette and reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will cause problems / damage working with a 3 head Nak? also what are your "Views" on DBX noise reduction? Thanks. Colin *************************************************************************** Colin, i recorded many concerts using Marantz PMD 430 portable deck which had DBX type II encoding. you need to confirm which version of DBX the Aiwa employed before purchasing a decoding unit. However i can tell you that the CR7a + DBX 224 in my stack works fabulously to allow me to play back all those cassettes i made on the PMD 430. to the group here on Naktalk, Hello from San Marcos, CA, USA (just 30 miles north of San Diego). I generally do not have the Nak experience to add much to the topics here, so i usually just read and enjoy what is being talked about. i did install nak car audio for 6+ years, and do remember much about those days. otherwise, most of my nak experiences come from the live recording side of nak products (mics and 550's). i still have a couple of TD700/500's as well as a 550 portable (need to replace the cassette door) and a CR7A (was working for a shop that sold nak car audio and so was able to buy the CR7A on accomodation - $$ was tight then, but when the rep told me they only had 6 left in the wharehouse, i had to step up), a broken 480 (needs a reel motor?) and lastly i have a DMP100 - naks version of the Sony F1 - a portable PCM unit that i hauled to many concerts and recorded in conjunction with a Sony SL2000 beta deck. anyway, i enjoy this list much and will speak up if i can offer firsthand knowledge in any way, otherwise you won't hear from me much. i did spend 7 years overseeing car audio product development for the company that eventually purchased A/D/S. as an old a/d/s fan it was painful to watch the lack of attention paid to that product line esp when i remember the suitcase system that went with the 250/350/550 decks and how nice it sounded. i think i still have most of the parts for one somewhere... Nak usa is just 100 miles north of me, so if i can help any of the nakkers in any way, just post a note. well that's all for now neil sturtevant From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 27 19:16:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <20050127125910.43795.qmail@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c5049c$57902180$e56d893e@oemcomputer> Hi James Interesting point. And as we know, a very tiny difference at the stylus end can make a huge difference to the sound that is reproduced out of the speakers!!! There are a couple of records that I have which are VISIBLY off centre - just playing them on the turntable shows this up, not just in the wow-ing sound but with the turntable arm's movements, in and out, in and out. However, I suppose there may be others that are less visually perceptible and tracking them on the Dragon just might show up this up audibly. However, given the cost of a Dragon CT I doubt if I'll ever be able to afford to find out! Still ... you never know ... once upon a time I never imagined I'd ever be able to afford a ZX-9 ... and now they are even more affordable when I bought mine!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of James McAllister Sent: 27 January 2005 12:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Nelson, Depends on what you regard as significant runout. About a third of my LP's have visible horizontal runout. If I took the time to measure them, I'd bet most of them have at least several thousandths of an inch of measurable runout. The Nakamichi people thought it was a significant enough problem that they spent a lot of effort to measure and reduce it. The Dragon CT will measure and correct for very minor runout, which can affect stylus tracking and playback. Vertical runout (warpage) is more significant in LP's, but when the Dragon CT was developed there were already methods available to correct for warpage (gravity and vacuum clamping systems). The Dragon CT is renown not only for its platter centering mechanism. Not considering this "peculiarity," it's an excellent, solid direct-drive turntable that weighs 20 kg and does justice to the best recordings and MC cartridges. James Nelson wrote: Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the middle ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of JVB/RHG Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 To: NAKTALK Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off center." Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about making money more than about making sound??? Randall in Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 28 05:41:33 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D86D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <20050128044133.43452.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi , You can go to Tomas's website at www.naks.mine.nu . The service and user manual is all there. Bala Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for downloading. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 28 05:53:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:53:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <20050127125910.43795.qmail@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050128045320.50518.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Hmm, looks like they used their excellent problem solving techniques developed for their cassette decks and applied it to vinyl playback also. Bala James McAllister wrote: Nelson, Depends on what you regard as significant runout. About a third of my LP's have visible horizontal runout. If I took the time to measure them, I'd bet most of them have at least several thousandths of an inch of measurable runout. The Nakamichi people thought it was a significant enough problem that they spent a lot of effort to measure and reduce it. The Dragon CT will measure and correct for very minor runout, which can affect stylus tracking and playback. Vertical runout (warpage) is more significant in LP's, but when the Dragon CT was developed there were already methods available to correct for warpage (gravity and vacuum clamping systems). The Dragon CT is renown not only for its platter centering mechanism. Not considering this "peculiarity," it's an excellent, solid direct-drive turntable that weighs 20 kg and does justice to the best recordings and MC cartridges. James Nelson wrote: Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the middle ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of JVB/RHG Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 To: NAKTALK Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off center." Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about making money more than about making sound??? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 28 05:58:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:58:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <003b01c5046b$cb723b00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050128045827.73725.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Ok I just realised, Graham. Mine has that also, the led bargraph sandwiched between the two yellow vu meters. The 6700 has IR remote capability, and it built like an awesome tank! It has an aluminium front plate, feather touch controles and a manual bias tuning for the four types of tapes. This is the two head version. The 6900 is the ultimate three header. Havent seen one of those in years! B Nelson wrote: Interesting! Mine have a needle per channel AND two LEDs for the overall level, a yellow LED and a red one. When the Red goes on, it meant the recording level is too high. The idea was to set the level so the Red only flickered on and off occasionally, thus maximising the recording level. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 27 January 2005 02:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi The meters on my old Aiwa actually would top just about any Nak meter. This deck actually had two sets of needles in each meter. One would show average vu while the other was fast response peak. It was like having a mini set of old studio mastering meters... sweet stuff! Ed Nelson wrote: Yep. Some of the 1970s ones were good, too. May be not as great as a Nak sonically but they were built like battleships. I have two (one having been top of the range at one time) although one's rather worn on the heads. Neither have ever needed anything doing except the belts changing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 January 2005 12:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi It would have been Stephen Sank who would be holding the torch too... Actually, Stephen did endorse a few decks there than Nakamichi. He was quite fond of the mid 1980s Aiwa's. Ed Paul Tombleson wrote: There was a time when you would be burn't at the stake for such thoughts...!Go for itPaul----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:18 AMSubject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi,I'm looking for some alternatives to Nakamichi's tape recorders.I Know, it's easy just to swear by Nakamichi's superiosity,however, I'm looking for somealternatives with newer technology and better built quality (lessmaintainance), better meters.Not taking Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam into account, What aboutPioneers Top Tape Recorders?What would be the best-spec'ed, Dolby S, HX-Pro &, Calibration-equipped, Top of The Line SONY Tape recorder of all time (TC-K990ESor similar?)BTW, are there any alternatives to the capstan belts found in theNakamichi LX-5/RX-5 models?best regards,Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE.CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 27 19:16:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <20050127154140.60571.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c5049c$5a04cb00$e56d893e@oemcomputer> The temperature is rising ... is it global warming or Jeff rubbing his hands with glee?!! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 January 2005 15:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX I think US will have only Jeff Galin doing service work - while Nak spare parts center does not return calls and I do not know whether they take cassette deck repairs any more? Since US has good number of Naks compared to any other country - they will continue to have somebody doing it for some more time - I guess. kannan Nelson wrote: "Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK?" Wouter probably has a better handle on this than me as he has direct contact with the famous Tom van den Hoff, who used to do much of the work on the Nak' cassette decks. But I'd guess the simple reason for TransTec pulling out, and (I understand) sending their spares to B&W, is that servicing Nak's just isn't commercially viable for them anymore. There's not enough profit in it. That's Capitalism!! (And, before they stopped doing this work, they turned work away even when it was offered them from outside Holland - they refused to service my ZX-9 even though it was one they originally sold and serviced for its previous Dutch owner. "Go to B&W!" they insisted.) Gra' . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 27 23:03:11 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:03:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DBX In-Reply-To: <200501271542.j0RFggeu022750@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501271542.j0RFggeu022750@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3C463E6C-70AF-11D9-99DB-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Hi Colin, Don't know if this would be of any help to you, but I see Luxman KX-102's on ebay fairly frequently. That's a 3-head deck (Sankyo mech, I think) with computer calibration and on-board DBX. The DBX has a pass-through for decoding LP's, so maybe it would work for your application. Mine sounds pretty good, but I haven't given it a real listen since I sent it to Stephen Sank shortly after I bought it and haven't seen it since. Maybe someday I'll get back... best, Fred On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:42 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Tim Barrett > Date: January 27, 2005 4:56:26 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? > Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > On the DBX 224, the reference to tape on the back is simply a > line-level input and output.  It will work with either cassette, r-r, > or even 8 track if you are so inclined. > > Colin Marsh wrote: > I am on a buying spree at the moment! > I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX Equipped > Aiwa EXCELIA deck,  This is because when making second generation > copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded recordings is a > good copying medium.     Most of these recordings are not replaceable > and being a little paranoid, I am worried that the Aiwa machine will > die on me and make all these cassettes unplayable on non DBX equipped > cassette decks! > I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks,  I have a > choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, a model > 224.  This model has the following information on the rear " Type II. > Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction unit",  it comes > with full original instructions.   > I want to know if the reference to "Tape"  is a reference to cassette > and reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will cause problems > / damage working with a  3 head Nak?  also what are your "Views" on > DBX noise reduction? >   > Thanks. > Colin > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 28 08:14:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:14:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... In-Reply-To: <20050127094521.48080.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050127094521.48080.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41F9E656.8090700@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous by B and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the market. > B Oh 'eck! I dislike "lifestyle stereos." Sorry to hear Nakamichi, Linn and Revox have joined the ranks of the junk brands making gimmicky "good looks -- just don't listen to it" stereos, like Bose. Bummer. Is anyone making high quality cassette decks today? I just heard a new Uher cassette deck (yes, they're still making analog machines) and it was bad enough that I was almost tempted to go deaf. Worse, I just found out that Bang & Olufsen is making an MP3 player! What's next I wonder? Linn PDA/cellphone/MP3 player/digital camera combos? Oh dear, I think I'm having a flashback. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 28 08:35:17 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:35:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System In-Reply-To: <41F8EC76.7050005@sbcglobal.net> References: <41F8EC76.7050005@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41F9EB35.8000100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken! Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > Thanks! I was not following the thread closely enough. I have no > experience with a harpsichord. But I have noticed if I get too close to > an acoustic guitar, the balance starts to tip up a bit with the Earthworks. Earthworks mics are free-field calibrated, not near field calibrated like most mics. They sound best when they are 3 feet to 25 feet away from the source, making them a good match to the Nakamichi 3-mic method. You can take a wooden ball about 5 or 6 inches diameter, drill a hole through it to match the caliper of your mic, assuming your mics is omnidirectional, then push the mic into the hole so that the end of the mic is flush with the surface of the ball. This acoustically equalizes the mic so that it behaves more like a traditional omni and doesn't brighten up so much when positioned up close. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 27 19:42:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:42:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Message-ID: Dear Gra', Completely agreed!!! Bravo!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:51:55 -0000 > >Quite so! Exactly my own conclusion, Alex!! It's not worth it at such a >cost. the investment would be better spent elsewhere in the chain, like a >decent arm and cartridge ... > >Cheers > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 27 January 2005 10:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > My ultimate Gra'! > > > > Please...BE realistic!!!! for only 2 or 3 records, I'm 500% sure > > that it's > > NOT imperative to spell money looking forward for a Nak CT-Dragon!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:31:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > >Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - > > >never > > >kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in the > > >middle ... > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > >Of > >JVB/RHG > >Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 > >To: NAKTALK > >Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old >Sony > >Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being "off > >center." > > > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget >on > >it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about > >making > >money more than about making sound??? > > > > Randall in Seattle > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Jan 27 20:01:15 2005 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:01:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... References: <20050127094521.48080.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c504a2$94081d60$471c0cd0@r7g1f8> Thanks for the reply. More specifically, why so much who-haw about developing a turntable that would correct an off-center-spindle hole, when that was rarely an issue with better vinyl??? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous by B and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the market. B "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Randall, JVB/RHG wrote: > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being > "off center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about > making money more than about making sound??? The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of LPs overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a product is, or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company cannot make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some point. For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the popularity of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's un! inpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is excellent, although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's arm). Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for example, whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" most buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to learn that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s and Cd players in the 1990s because the association of their name with cassettes is so strong. 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Regards, Tom Bigelow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 28 08:29:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:29:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F9E9BC.3000405@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Colin, Colin Marsh wrote: > I am on a buying spree at the moment! > I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX Equipped > Aiwa EXCELIA deck, This is because when making second generation > copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded recordings is a > good copying medium. Most of these recordings are not replaceable > and being a little paranoid, I am worried that the Aiwa machine will die > on me and make all these cassettes unplayable on non DBX equipped > cassette decks! > I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks, I have a > choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, a model 224. > This model has the following information on the rear " Type II. > Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction unit", it comes with > full original instructions. Grab the 224. I've used a 224 for years with a Nakamichi 600-II and have enjoyed excellent, genuinely pro-quality sound. You'll be pleased with the results. As long as you keep the dbx levels matched you'll not suffer the pumping that dbx is known for. I've read many methods for doing this, but my favorite is to use filtered pink noise. Guess that makes it robin egg blue noise or something. Get the 224 that has the bargraph meters if you can because it is easier to keep levels matched with it than with the older model dbx 224. About 1982, I attended a demo of a then-new CD Mastering outfit that included the cumbersome Sony 1620 U-Matic derived mastering deck. As the sales-entity was waxing lyrical over the "awesome" dynamic range of 90 dB, I suffered a fit of pique and interrupted his presentation, saying, "So what? I've been getting more than that using a Nakamichi cassette deck and a cheapie dbx 224 noise reduction!" The laughter lasted for a seeming eternity. I got thrown out afterwards. > I want to know if the reference to "Tape" is a reference to cassette > _and_ reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will cause problems > / damage working with a 3 head Nak? also what are your "Views" on DBX > noise reduction? dbx doesn't use terminology properly. The reference to tape should have been stated "input/output levels." Can't hurt your deck, unless you consider increasing your headroom while reducing noise by 30 dB as harmful (joking). Like all systems, dbs has stengths and weaknesses. dbx Type II was a simplified version specifically intended for cassette recorders, 8-track recorders, broadcast carts and narrow-track multitracks like the Tascam 38. It imposes a pre-emphasis on the detection circuit and uses an RMS detection system to improve immunity to tracking errors. The theoretical dynamic range expansion gained by dbx Type II is the same as Type I. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is quite nightmarish with dbx Type II, but this is an issue mainly with multi-track recorders. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. Don't use Dolby noise reduction at the same time as dbx; you don't gain anything and you'll likely introduce tracking errors. One advantage to dbx is that you can make near-perfect safety copies of your tapes. Simply turn off the dbx when you dub the dbx-encoded tape to anther recorder. The copy will then be dbx encoded and you'll avoid the 3dB noise buildup you normally accrue when making a copy. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jan 28 13:05:58 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:05:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <00d201c503f6$c1978ce0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> References: <00d201c503f6$c1978ce0$e6da883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41FA2AA6.7000400@snet.net> To watch one of these turntabes in action is to realize that pretty much all records are at least a little off center. I mean, I have probably 1000 cassettes and only a few were recorded with the azimuth noticably off which means a Dragon would be of little use to me ;-) Ed Nelson wrote: > > Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - > never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't > in the middle ... > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of JVB/RHG > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 > To: NAKTALK > Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an > old Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle > hole being "off center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development > budget on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? > Was it about making money more than about making sound??? > > Randall in Seattle > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I dont have one and see no way to sign up. Can you help? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 28 January 2005 04:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Hi , You can go to Tomas's website at www.naks.mine.nu . The service and user manual is all there. Bala Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for downloading. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. 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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:21:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX References: <20050128044133.43452.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801c50533$da713390$abd0fea9@microsoft> Does anyone have the service manual of the 682zx. I'm having some problems with the orange caps in the dolby module that I wiuld like to change. Also I've checked Tomas web but how do you sign up? Thanks for help Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Hi , You can go to Tomas's website at www.naks.mine.nu . The service and user manual is all there. Bala Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for downloading. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I do have a few records with off-centre holes and my way around this is to place a spare platter on my Linn which has the spindle removed andsticky silicon mat on it, I then centre the record using a small laser. I think when it comes to turntables though the less added the better! Simple seems to have been the keyword to a successful turntable. Proven by the famous Linn I think ? Mine is one of the originals, God knows how old it is! Its had new bearings Motors and belts. The only extra was an external power supply, and that was taken off after only a few months use! When it comes down to it Nak made this beast because they believed there was a market for it! and in the hope that thy would make some money from its sales. If you love it Great! if you hate it Great! Turntable arm cartridge combinations are probably the most individual Hi Fi component there is! we love some, we hate others! I opted for the Linn and have never really wanted to replace it. Mind you, If I was offered the Nak beast I would jump in feet first! Just for the hell of it! By the way, did it actually work? Colin -----Original Message----- From: JVB/RHG [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: 27 January 2005 19:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Thanks for the reply. More specifically, why so much who-haw about developing a turntable that would correct an off-center-spindle hole, when that was rarely an issue with better vinyl??? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous by B and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the market. B "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Randall, JVB/RHG wrote: > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old Sony > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being > "off center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget on > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about > making money more than about making sound??? The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of LPs overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a product is, or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company cannot make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some point. For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the popularity of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's un! inpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is excellent, although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's arm). Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for example, whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" most buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to learn that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s and Cd players in the 1990s because the association of their name with cassettes is so strong. N-Joy -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak tod! ay! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. 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I've patched on into a ReVox B77 and made a recording from a SACD that had previously caused havoc with the vu meters! The resulting recording is out of this world! The dynamics seem to match that of the SACD. and the low noise floor of the Reel to reel has now gone thru the boards, almost non-existent! Later I am going to connect the other unit to my ZX7, hopefully the results will be similar. One Question though, The bit about the safety copies, When you say from recorder to recorder can this mean the Reel to reel, to the cassette? or does it have to be from the same format? Changing the subject, I am fairly new to the forum, and after the "Off-topic hickup" around the new year. I have found this forum so very interesting and informative. The advice I have been given and the knowledge I have gained has been superb! You have all helped me regain my love for the cassette format and for my Naks (that shamefully, were packed away in a store room). I have been too busy working and making money! I am going into early retirement in the next month and was worried that I would be scratching around for things to do during the long cold winter days here in England. I was worried that I would become a TV addict like so many of my friends, But I Haven't switched the "box" on now for two weeks! I thank you all Colin Marsh -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: 28 January 2005 07:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] DBX with a Nak? Hi Colin, Colin Marsh wrote: > I am on a buying spree at the moment! > I have in the past "Mastered" music onto cassette using a DBX Equipped > Aiwa EXCELIA deck, This is because when making second generation > copies , the extremely low noise floor of DBX encoded recordings is a > good copying medium. Most of these recordings are not replaceable > and being a little paranoid, I am worried that the Aiwa machine will die > on me and make all these cassettes unplayable on non DBX equipped > cassette decks! > I want to buy a DBX unit to work with one of my 3 head Naks, I have a > choice of a Model 50, a model 150 or ,my preferred choice, a model 224. > This model has the following information on the rear " Type II. > Simultaneous encode / decode tape noise reduction unit", it comes with > full original instructions. Grab the 224. I've used a 224 for years with a Nakamichi 600-II and have enjoyed excellent, genuinely pro-quality sound. You'll be pleased with the results. As long as you keep the dbx levels matched you'll not suffer the pumping that dbx is known for. I've read many methods for doing this, but my favorite is to use filtered pink noise. Guess that makes it robin egg blue noise or something. Get the 224 that has the bargraph meters if you can because it is easier to keep levels matched with it than with the older model dbx 224. About 1982, I attended a demo of a then-new CD Mastering outfit that included the cumbersome Sony 1620 U-Matic derived mastering deck. As the sales-entity was waxing lyrical over the "awesome" dynamic range of 90 dB, I suffered a fit of pique and interrupted his presentation, saying, "So what? I've been getting more than that using a Nakamichi cassette deck and a cheapie dbx 224 noise reduction!" The laughter lasted for a seeming eternity. I got thrown out afterwards. > I want to know if the reference to "Tape" is a reference to cassette > _and_ reel to reel, or just reel to reel, and if It will cause problems > / damage working with a 3 head Nak? also what are your "Views" on DBX > noise reduction? dbx doesn't use terminology properly. The reference to tape should have been stated "input/output levels." Can't hurt your deck, unless you consider increasing your headroom while reducing noise by 30 dB as harmful (joking). Like all systems, dbs has stengths and weaknesses. dbx Type II was a simplified version specifically intended for cassette recorders, 8-track recorders, broadcast carts and narrow-track multitracks like the Tascam 38. It imposes a pre-emphasis on the detection circuit and uses an RMS detection system to improve immunity to tracking errors. The theoretical dynamic range expansion gained by dbx Type II is the same as Type I. Maintaining consistent track-to-track and session-to-session levels is quite nightmarish with dbx Type II, but this is an issue mainly with multi-track recorders. Never use dbx to record time codes, MIDI data, SMPTE, magsync, pilot-tone or computer data. Don't use Dolby noise reduction at the same time as dbx; you don't gain anything and you'll likely introduce tracking errors. One advantage to dbx is that you can make near-perfect safety copies of your tapes. Simply turn off the dbx when you dub the dbx-encoded tape to anther recorder. The copy will then be dbx encoded and you'll avoid the 3dB noise buildup you normally accrue when making a copy. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 28 15:02:55 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:02:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Message-ID: Dear Gra' I agreed with you...we NEWER know when with the heart fully help of Our Lord...as you just wrote...on the ZX-9...I hope & i will pray/implore for you...that some day...you will be lucky to own a CT-Dragon turntable! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:37 -0000 > >Hi James > >Interesting point. And as we know, a very tiny difference at the stylus >end >can make a huge difference to the sound that is reproduced out of the >speakers!!! There are a couple of records that I have which are VISIBLY >off >centre - just playing them on the turntable shows this up, not just in the >wow-ing sound but with the turntable arm's movements, in and out, in and >out. However, I suppose there may be others that are less visually >perceptible and tracking them on the Dragon just might show up this up >audibly. > >However, given the cost of a Dragon CT I doubt if I'll ever be able to >afford to find out! Still ... you never know ... once upon a time I never >imagined I'd ever be able to afford a ZX-9 ... and now they are even more >affordable when I bought mine!! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of James McAllister > Sent: 27 January 2005 12:59 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Nelson, > > Depends on what you regard as significant runout. About a third of my >LP's have visible horizontal runout. If I took the time to measure them, >I'd bet most of them have at least several thousandths of an inch of >measurable runout. The Nakamichi people thought it was a significant >enough >problem that they spent a lot of effort to measure and reduce it. The >Dragon CT will measure and correct for very minor runout, which can affect >stylus tracking and playback. Vertical runout (warpage) is more >significant >in LP's, but when the Dragon CT was developed there were already methods >available to correct for warpage (gravity and vacuum clamping systems). > > The Dragon CT is renown not only for its platter centering mechanism. >Not >considering this "peculiarity," it's an excellent, solid direct-drive >turntable that weighs 20 kg and does justice to the best recordings and MC >cartridges. > > James > > Nelson wrote: > > Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records (not sure - >never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in >the >middle ... > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of JVB/RHG > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 > To: NAKTALK > Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an old >Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being >"off center." > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development budget >on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about >making money more than about making sound??? > > Randall in Seattle >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 28 17:15:52 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (kkenkirk) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:15:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Live Recording System Message-ID: <41FA6538.8050308@sbcglobal.net> Kermit says: "Earthworks mics are free-field calibrated, not near field calibrated like most mics. They sound best when they are 3 feet to 25 feet away from the source, making them a good match to the Nakamichi 3-mic method. You can take a wooden ball about 5 or 6 inches diameter, drill a hole through it to match the caliper of your mic, assuming your mics is omnidirectional, then push the mic into the hole so that the end of the mic is flush with the surface of the ball. This acoustically equalizes the mic so that it behaves more like a traditional omni and doesn't brighten up so much when positioned up close." Ken says: " What a great idea!!! Thanks man!! Cool idea!! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.5 - Release Date: 1/26/2005 From man626 at webtv.net Fri Jan 28 17:31:41 2005 From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:31:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks Message-ID: <16066-41FA68ED-1333@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> yo yo Dawgs..Sup?,This question is to ask anyone if they know about the Sony WMd-6 (not totaly sure if i got the model number correct)Small portable cassete player(recorder),that actually made Sterophiles list of reccomended components,in the c or d category I believe.I think that brand new it was pretty expensive,and I am on the prowl for one,although not overly optimistic about finding one in excellent condition,as I'm guessing most of these little machines were "hardly" used, as the old ad goes.. Also, I'm seeing a lot of people who were lurking on the website coming out of the closet,so to speak-i think in response to the mandate to keep chat on topic, so maybe someone can buzz Carlos and let him know that it would sure be great to get his input on all the great naktalk about Studio recording . From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Jan 28 17:57:36 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:57:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Michael, There is NO! alternative to Nakamichi High Quality! Sorry! my friend they are THE BEST!!! together with Revox B 710 and 715, if you dont like these machines you wont like anything! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 28 20:50:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:50:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <003a01c5046b$c9c6fc00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> References: <003a01c5046b$c9c6fc00$c3ee4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41FA9768.3090100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > V interesting - thanks for the info/warning! > > "bench queen" - I love that phrase!!! The irony is that Revox and Studer reel-to-reels are built like tanks! I've owned A77s, B77s, PR-99, B67 and A80 decks and seldom ever had a problem with them. Why they couldn't build cassette decks that were as well made is beyond me. Another '70s phrase is "Knock Knock Joke," referring to making a master tape with a Nakamichi cassette deck then telling the client you used a reel-to-reel ... and afterward enjoying the compliments you get on the sound quality! N-JoY! >> >>Nelson wrote: >> >>>Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its >>>sturdiness is >>>questionable. " >>> >>>You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd >> >>always felt >> >>>the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. >> >>My Revox B710, a wonderful sounding deck when it works right, is a pain >>in the neck. It overheats, its transport has tiny precision actuator >>pins that wear out causing horrible flutter-and-wow, the teeny-weeny >>pinch rollers' bearing accumulate dirt and add to the flutter-and-wow >>woes, and it won't hold calibration for more than about 200 hours. >> >>The deck is what we call a "bench queen" because it always needs >>something fixed or adjusted. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From britri at comcast.net Fri Jan 28 23:24:43 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:24:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... In-Reply-To: <41F9E656.8090700@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20050127094521.48080.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> <41F9E656.8090700@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <41FABBAB.4000104@comcast.net> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Bala, > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same > way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made > famous by B and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most > companies are going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or > lower end of the market. > > B > > > Oh 'eck! I dislike "lifestyle stereos." Sorry to hear Nakamichi, Linn > and Revox have joined the ranks of the junk brands making gimmicky > "good looks -- just don't listen to it" stereos, like Bose. > > Bummer. > > Is anyone making high quality cassette decks today? I just heard a new > Uher cassette deck (yes, they're still making analog machines) and it > was bad enough that I was almost tempted to go deaf. > > Worse, I just found out that Bang & Olufsen is making an MP3 player! > > What's next I wonder? Linn PDA/cellphone/MP3 player/digital camera > combos? Oh dear, I think I'm having a flashback. > Boze is in a class by itself. It has never made a decent product down from which to descend Brian From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 29 00:13:56 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:13:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK tape supplies Message-ID: I was messing around on the pc and came across this, http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm They seem to be selling some very hard to get cassette tapes (at a price though!!!), all those metals! Any of you guys ever had dealings with them? I'm checking them out Monday. This is the site home page http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/ Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomas Larsson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX You will find the 680 and the 680zx manual on my website, www.naks.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:51 PM To: 'Berserik, J.E.'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for downloading. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:23:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:23:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050129162324.41260.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Yes I have. I'll email it to you. Bala --- james knowles wrote: > Any one have a copy of an owners manual? Thanks. > James Knowles. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:24:55 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] rm200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050129162455.26651.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Here Colin, http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif7 Even though it says MR-2, it is basically for all decks that use the RM-200/RM-580 SJ --- Colin Marsh wrote: > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit and plug > connections > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the plug and about 2 m > of the > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the original!) but > dont know > how to wire it together. > > > Thanks > Colin > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a pain in the Ass, > from my > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:26:09 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:26:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <41FA2AA6.7000400@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050129162609.73167.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Still, the outstanding playback quality of the Dragon will give you an edge over other machines... B --- Edward Noyes wrote: > To watch one of these turntabes in action is to > realize that pretty much > all records are at least a little off center. I > mean, I have probably > 1000 cassettes and only a few were recorded with the > azimuth noticably > off which means a Dragon would be of little use to > me ;-) > > Ed > > Nelson wrote: > > > > > Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k > records (not sure - > > never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three > where the hole isn't > > in the middle ... > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of JVB/RHG > > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 > > To: NAKTALK > > Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still > do (play it on an > > old Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a > problem with the spindle > > hole being "off center." > > > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research > and Development > > budget on it, and then it was only offered for > a couple of years? > > Was it about making money more than about > making sound??? > > > > Randall in Seattle > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:29:19 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:29:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050129162919.84053.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> no no..you dont need a login and password Colin. You work your way using the links. From Home to Downloads, and on. B --- Colin Marsh wrote: > Hi Bala. I,ve tried to enter Tomas's site but it > asks for a user name and > password? I dont have one and see no way to sign > up. Can you help? > > Colin > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: 28 January 2005 04:42 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > > Hi , > > You can go to Tomas's website at > www.naks.mine.nu . The service > and user manual is all there. > > Bala > > Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: > I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I > will post it on a web site > and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready > for downloading. > > Tom. > -----Original Message----- > From: Berserik, J.E. > [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] > Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > > Dear friends, > > Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to > escape to Bowers & > Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? > Over many years the service by messrs. > TransTec in Rotterdam, > Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, > KEF, Jecklin Float). Why > pushed they down NAK? > My 582 was always very good repaired and/or > calibrated; now it seems > to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the > keys), 2 are blown. B&W > cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service > manual for the 582. > > I am looking for a service manual for my new > deck, a 680ZX , who can > help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, > maybe? > This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and > also optically, but I > like a manual for possible future-problems. > > Thank you all in advance, > Johan Berserik > > > > ***************************************** > Johan E. Berserik > Archipel 23-09 > 8224 GR LELYSTAD > Tel. 0320 227397 > johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl > ***************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:30:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:30:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] rm200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050129163027.73650.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> I dont have a schematic, but I can open up my remote and check.. strange your dog seems to have a think for Nakamichi also? :) B --- Colin Marsh wrote: > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit > and plug connections > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the > plug and about 2 m of the > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the > original!) but dont know > how to wire it together. > > > Thanks > Colin > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a > pain in the Ass, from my > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:34:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:34:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <41FA9768.3090100@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050129163404.81064.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> I guess its the classic case of a company doing something well, and then trying that on other products. Most times, it doesnt seem to work though. B --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Gra' > > > Nelson wrote: > > V interesting - thanks for the info/warning! > > > > "bench queen" - I love that phrase!!! > > The irony is that Revox and Studer reel-to-reels are > built like tanks! > I've owned A77s, B77s, PR-99, B67 and A80 decks and > seldom ever had a > problem with them. Why they couldn't build cassette > decks that were as > well made is beyond me. > > Another '70s phrase is "Knock Knock Joke," referring > to making a master > tape with a Nakamichi cassette deck then telling the > client you used a > reel-to-reel ... and afterward enjoying the > compliments you get on the > sound quality! > > N-JoY! > > >> > >>Nelson wrote: > >> > >>>Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a > pleasant sound too, its > >>>sturdiness is > >>>questionable. " > >>> > >>>You have me intrigued! In what way is it > questionable? I'd > >> > >>always felt > >> > >>>the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses > out there. > >> > >>My Revox B710, a wonderful sounding deck when it > works right, is a pain > >>in the neck. It overheats, its transport has tiny > precision actuator > >>pins that wear out causing horrible > flutter-and-wow, the teeny-weeny > >>pinch rollers' bearing accumulate dirt and add to > the flutter-and-wow > >>woes, and it won't hold calibration for more than > about 200 hours. > >> > >>The deck is what we call a "bench queen" because > it always needs > >>something fixed or adjusted. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Sat Jan 29 17:46:40 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:46:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <004001c50612$76d7cf80$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: Ok, I'll have a look at it,the idea was that you shouldnt need to login. When I've tested it, I clicked the "Home"-menu (Top Left) then on downloads. Anyway this CMS is crap so I'm going to change it anyway. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dean Bauer Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Tomas, I can not gat past the home page on your website. It required a login name, which I do not have. Is there a more detailed link? Thanks, Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomas Larsson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX You will find the 680 and the 680zx manual on my website, www.naks.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:51 PM To: 'Berserik, J.E.'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for downloading. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX Dear friends, Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service manual for the 582. I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, maybe? This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. Thank you all in advance, Johan Berserik ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Jan 29 18:35:40 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:35:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu Message-ID: <001801c50628$f3f67140$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Colin, Paul, You don't need to use the User Name and Password to access the archives or other features.....just start clicking buttons and see what works. The site is a work in progress by Tomas....and very much appreciated! Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 29 18:52:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:52:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003d01c5062b$40a5df60$1ca14e51@oemcomputer> Thanks Alex! You never know what's a round the corner ... and it might be a Dragon CT. But as that old joke goes: Q: How do you make God laugh? A: Tell Him your plans for the future ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 28 January 2005 14:03 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Dear Gra' > > I agreed with you...we NEWER know when with the heart fully help of Our > Lord...as you just wrote...on the ZX-9...I hope & i will pray/implore for > you...that some day...you will be lucky to own a CT-Dragon turntable! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:37 -0000 > > > >Hi James > > > >Interesting point. And as we know, a very tiny difference at the stylus > >end > >can make a huge difference to the sound that is reproduced out of the > >speakers!!! There are a couple of records that I have which are VISIBLY > >off > >centre - just playing them on the turntable shows this up, not > just in the > >wow-ing sound but with the turntable arm's movements, in and out, in and > >out. However, I suppose there may be others that are less visually > >perceptible and tracking them on the Dragon just might show up this up > >audibly. > > > >However, given the cost of a Dragon CT I doubt if I'll ever be able to > >afford to find out! Still ... you never know ... once upon a > time I never > >imagined I'd ever be able to afford a ZX-9 ... and now they are even more > >affordable when I bought mine!! > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of James McAllister > > Sent: 27 January 2005 12:59 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > Nelson, > > > > Depends on what you regard as significant runout. About a third of my > >LP's have visible horizontal runout. If I took the time to measure them, > >I'd bet most of them have at least several thousandths of an inch of > >measurable runout. The Nakamichi people thought it was a significant > >enough > >problem that they spent a lot of effort to measure and reduce it. The > >Dragon CT will measure and correct for very minor runout, which > can affect > >stylus tracking and playback. Vertical runout (warpage) is more > >significant > >in LP's, but when the Dragon CT was developed there were already methods > >available to correct for warpage (gravity and vacuum clamping systems). > > > > The Dragon CT is renown not only for its platter centering > mechanism. > >Not > >considering this "peculiarity," it's an excellent, solid direct-drive > >turntable that weighs 20 kg and does justice to the best > recordings and MC > >cartridges. > > > > James > > > > Nelson wrote: > > > > Mmmm ... I know what you mean. I have maybe 2k-3k records > (not sure - > >never kept count of them!) and I have 2 or three where the hole isn't in > >the > >middle ... > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of JVB/RHG > > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:25 > > To: NAKTALK > > Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it > on an old > >Sony Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole being > >"off center." > > > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and > Development budget > >on it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it about > >making money more than about making sound??? > > > > Randall in Seattle > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 29 19:00:30 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:00:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... In-Reply-To: <41FABBAB.4000104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004001c5062c$6bcf42c0$1ca14e51@oemcomputer> Brian said: "Boze is in a class by itself. It has never made a decent product down from which to descend." LOL! Well, THAT put them in their place!!! Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 29 19:00:28 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:00:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <41FA9768.3090100@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003f01c5062c$6a97fb40$1ca14e51@oemcomputer> LOL!! That reminds me ... sorry for anyone who's heard this story before .... My wife had collected some jazz material from Russia for a radio programme we were putting together for a jazz radio station. (Jazz FM, as was in Manchester.) Some of the material was on cassette. The producer said that wouldn't be good enough for broadcast quality. So, we dubbed the tracks we wanted from the cassette onto a DAT tape ... and he loved it!!! It was broadcast. We never told him our secret. (We didn't use a Nak to replay - I didn't have one then - but my 2nd generation Aiwa AD1800 2 head deck, laying it down on a borrowed Sony 1st generation DAT machine.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 28 January 2005 19:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Hi Gra' > > > Nelson wrote: > > V interesting - thanks for the info/warning! > > > > "bench queen" - I love that phrase!!! > > The irony is that Revox and Studer reel-to-reels are built like tanks! > I've owned A77s, B77s, PR-99, B67 and A80 decks and seldom ever had a > problem with them. Why they couldn't build cassette decks that were as > well made is beyond me. > > Another '70s phrase is "Knock Knock Joke," referring to making a master > tape with a Nakamichi cassette deck then telling the client you used a > reel-to-reel ... and afterward enjoying the compliments you get on the > sound quality! > > N-JoY! > > >> > >>Nelson wrote: > >> > >>>Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a pleasant sound too, its > >>>sturdiness is > >>>questionable. " > >>> > >>>You have me intrigued! In what way is it questionable? I'd > >> > >>always felt > >> > >>>the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses out there. > >> > >>My Revox B710, a wonderful sounding deck when it works right, is a pain > >>in the neck. It overheats, its transport has tiny precision actuator > >>pins that wear out causing horrible flutter-and-wow, the teeny-weeny > >>pinch rollers' bearing accumulate dirt and add to the flutter-and-wow > >>woes, and it won't hold calibration for more than about 200 hours. > >> > >>The deck is what we call a "bench queen" because it always needs > >>something fixed or adjusted. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 29 22:32:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:32:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones In-Reply-To: <20050128191136.5257.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050128191136.5257.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FC0106.1000006@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott! Yes, I have the mic brochure, a favored relic of my brief days as a Nakamichi dealer. Delighted to share it! N-Joy! Scott Johnson wrote: > I found this eBay auction > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5738634681 > > for various brochure scans and noticed that Nakamichi had a nice > brochure for their microphones (visible in the picture on the left > side). > > Does anyone have this brochure and is willing to share it? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 29 21:12:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:12:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Message-ID: Shalom Colin! You ARE NOT alone, who loves Linn's LP-12! Here in Israel I have my best "Audiophile" friend, who stick/love all Naim's gear minus speaker that own a ProAc 3.8 and the last LP table fitted with Naim's Aro/Troika/Argmadon external power supply...AND don't want to listen from nobody of "Improving"...his in love LP-12 with something else...! It's only as a example!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:52:56 -0000 > >Ive never seen on of these, didnt even know they existed!! but owning a >large record collection, If I had known, would have probably aquired one. >I >do have a few records with off-centre holes and my way around this is to >place a spare platter on my Linn which has the spindle removed andsticky >silicon mat on it, I then centre the record using a small laser. >I think when it comes to turntables though the less added the better! >Simple seems to have been the keyword to a successful turntable. Proven by >the famous Linn I think ? Mine is one of the originals, God knows how old >it is! Its had new bearings Motors and belts. The only extra was an >external power supply, and that was taken off after only a few months use! >When it comes down to it Nak made this beast because they believed there >was >a market for it! and in the hope that thy would make some money from its >sales. If you love it Great! if you hate it Great! Turntable arm >cartridge combinations are probably the most individual Hi Fi component >there is! we love some, we hate others! I opted for the Linn and have >never really wanted to replace it. Mind you, If I was offered the Nak >beast >I would jump in feet first! Just for the hell of it! > >By the way, did it actually work? > >Colin > -----Original Message----- > From: JVB/RHG [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] > Sent: 27 January 2005 19:01 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Thanks for the reply. More specifically, why so much who-haw about >developing a turntable that would correct an off-center-spindle hole, when >that was rarely an issue with better vinyl??? > > Randall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same >way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous by >B >and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are >going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the >market. > B > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Randall, > > JVB/RHG wrote: > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an >old >Sony > > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole >being > > "off center." > > > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development >budget >on > > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it >about > > making money more than about making sound??? > > The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of LPs > overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a product >is, > or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company >cannot > make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some >point. > For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the popularity > of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's > un! inpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is >excellent, > although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's >arm). > > Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. > > Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be > regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for >example, > whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" >most > buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to learn > that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s and >Cd > players in the 1990s because the association of their name with > cassettes is so strong. > > N-Joy > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >==== > Register your Nak tod! ay! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >==== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >==== > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Jan 30 00:07:02 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:07:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <16066-41FA68ED-1333@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: > >yo yo Dawgs..Sup?,This question is to ask anyone if they know about the >Sony WMd-6 (not totaly sure if i got the model number correct)Small >portable cassete player(recorder),that actually made Sterophiles list of >reccomended components,in the c or d category I believe.I think that >brand new it was pretty expensive,and I am on the prowl for one,although >not overly optimistic about finding one in excellent condition,as I'm >guessing most of these little machines were "hardly" used, as the old >ad goes.. You must be referring to the Sony Professional WMD6C walkman. It's bigger than normal Walkmans and since it is a professional model, was used by the likes of reporters etc. before DAT and hard disk recorders came in.I remember seeing it offerred for sale by Sony Europe as a current item one year ago, not sure if it still is. You are right that it is still pretty expensive if you can find a decent one on Ebay and most of them will have had a full working life............ If you don't need the recording function, why not consider getting the WMDC2 walkman instead? Or the WMDC3 which does have recording too and is inbetween the DC2 and D6C? From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jan 30 02:35:24 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:35:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Message-ID: <20050130013524.JVNS17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Hey Gra' Even as a very religious man, I find that joke funny!!.......and very philosophical. > > From: "Nelson" > Date: 2005/01/29 Sat PM 12:52:08 EST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Thanks Alex! You never know what's a round the corner ... and it might be a > Dragon CT. But as that old joke goes: > > Q: How do you make God laugh? > A: Tell Him your plans for the future ... > > Gra' > Roland From forums at magnetize.biz Sun Jan 30 11:45:52 2005 From: forums at magnetize.biz (Magnetize) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:45:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question References: <200501300054.j0U0sPev031671@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <013401c506b8$f11bfea0$b900a8c0@web> Hi, Im new round these parts, just thought id say hello :) Ive had a 680ZX for a while that i use in my studio for recording - I love its nice analogue tape compressed/saturated sound. Anyway, i thought it was about time that i made myself a reasonably decent system in my home, at the moment its a dodgy collection of stuff ive accumulated over the yrs. The start of this has just been a nice LX-5 that i recently acquired, i want to set that up with a reasonably good amp & speakers for the moment, with record deck & cd to follow later. >From chatting to people & reading around i became interested in a NAD C320 BEE amp and B&W DM602 S3 speakers. So im not talking big bucks here but decent quality for the spend. Any opinions or suggestions? I obviously will be auditioning stuff so this is just so i can have pointers. Hopefully im not off-topic here ;) Thx. Stephen. From jknows1 at mac.com Sun Jan 30 03:58:12 2005 From: jknows1 at mac.com (james knowles) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:58:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 In-Reply-To: <20050129162324.41260.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050129162324.41260.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60691d5a86ac78fd355903d27f066eb7@mac.com> Thanks Bala, very thoughtful of you. James. On Jan 29, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Yes I have. I'll email it to you. > > Bala > --- james knowles wrote: > >> Any one have a copy of an owners manual? Thanks. >> James Knowles. >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 05:02:40 2005 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:02:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Purchase recommendation Message-ID: <20050130040240.28919.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> I have Nak ZX-9 and RX-505 and enjoy them very much. I use ZX-9 for recording and RX-505 for replay of recorded and prerecorded tape. Since my collection of prerecorded tape has grown considerably over last 6 months (over 500) I would like to buy another Nak to be used for replay only. The question is - which one to get for the best replay? TIA, Bob ===== ................................................. "Everywhere in the world where knowledge is being supressed, knowledge that, if it were made known, would shatter our image of the world and force us to question ourselves--everywhere there, Heart of Darkness is being enacted." - Sven Lindqvist ................................................. From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sun Jan 30 05:17:12 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:17:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX References: <20050129162919.84053.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c50682$92ed2f60$c801a8c0@cn593434a> What links? I do not see any links on the webpage. The word "Links" at the top does not work for me. dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > no no..you dont need a login and password Colin. You > work your way using the links. From Home to Downloads, > and on. > > B > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > Hi Bala. I,ve tried to enter Tomas's site but it > > asks for a user name and > > password? I dont have one and see no way to sign > > up. Can you help? > > > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: 28 January 2005 04:42 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > > > > > Hi , > > > > You can go to Tomas's website at > > www.naks.mine.nu . The service > > and user manual is all there. > > > > Bala > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > wrote: > > I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I > > will post it on a web site > > and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready > > for downloading. > > > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Berserik, J.E. > > [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] > > Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to > > escape to Bowers & > > Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? > > Over many years the service by messrs. > > TransTec in Rotterdam, > > Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for Quad, > > KEF, Jecklin Float). Why > > pushed they down NAK? > > My 582 was always very good repaired and/or > > calibrated; now it seems > > to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in the > > keys), 2 are blown. B&W > > cannot help me out..........I do have a blue service > > manual for the 582. > > > > I am looking for a service manual for my new > > deck, a 680ZX , who can > > help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh Chandra, > > maybe? > > This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and > > also optically, but I > > like a manual for possible future-problems. > > > > Thank you all in advance, > > Johan Berserik > > > > > > > > ***************************************** > > Johan E. Berserik > > Archipel 23-09 > > 8224 GR LELYSTAD > > Tel. 0320 227397 > > johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl > > ***************************************** > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > > == > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > > == > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > > == > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > -- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 30 02:02:09 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:02:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <004001c50612$76d7cf80$c801a8c0@cn593434a> References: <004001c50612$76d7cf80$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: <41FC3211.8070709@cox.net> I have also tried to get beyond the main page but am unable too. Clicking the links at the top of the page either does nothing, or gives me the old '404 not found'. I've tried three different browsers so far, including IE, and get the same results. Dean Bauer wrote: > Tomas, > > I can not gat past the home page on your website. It required a login > name, which I do not have. Is there a more detailed link? > > Thanks, > Dean > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tomas Larsson > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2005 2:12 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > You will find the 680 and the 680zx manual on my website, > www.naks.mine.nu > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas > Siomopoulos > *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:51 PM > *To:* 'Berserik, J.E.'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual. I will post it on a > web site and have an e-mail sent to you stating it's ready for > downloading. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] > *Sent:* Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:21 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX > > Dear friends, > > Can anyone tell me why we need , in Europe, to escape to > Bowers & Wilkins in Great Britain, for NAK-service? > Over many years the service by messrs. TransTec in > Rotterdam, Netherlands was great.(For NAK as well as for > Quad, KEF, Jecklin Float). Why pushed they down NAK? > My 582 was always very good repaired and/or calibrated; > now it seems to be impossible to obtain 12 volts lamps (in > the keys), 2 are blown. B&W cannot help me out..........I > do have a blue service manual for the 582. > > I am looking for a service manual for my new deck, a 680ZX > , who can help me out (or copy of it) , Bala Ganesh > Chandra, maybe? > This deck, the 680ZX is f.b. , technically and also > optically, but I like a manual for possible future-problems. > > Thank you all in advance, > Johan Berserik > > > > ***************************************** > Johan E. 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Quality RCA connectors I have had amazing results with tweaking of various components but never did anything on my Naks. If you have done some of the tweaks above or something I have not mentioned, can you advise? TIA Bob From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 30 05:49:48 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:49:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: AudiogoN Newsletter January 2005 Message-ID: Superb webs and free if you want to sell something! ALEX! >From: news at audiogon.com >Reply-To: news at audiogon.com >To: alexcozac at hotmail.com >Subject: AudiogoN Newsletter January 2005 >Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:29:27 -0500 (EST) > _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: news at audiogon.com Subject: AudiogoN Newsletter January 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:29:27 -0500 (EST) Size: 37131 URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 06:17:49 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:17:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] rm200 In-Reply-To: <20050129162455.26651.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050130051749.93682.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know how the 7 got on the end of the URL. The correct URL is: http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif or you can use the original url and remove the trailing "7" SJ --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Here Colin, > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif7 > > Even though it says MR-2, it is basically for all decks that use > the > RM-200/RM-580 > > SJ > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit and plug > > connections > > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the plug and about 2 > m > > of the > > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the original!) but > > dont know > > how to wire it together. > > > > > > Thanks > > Colin > > > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a pain in the > Ass, > > from my > > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 30 09:49:39 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:49:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <20050129162609.73167.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c506a8$a21b55e0$f1aa4e51@oemcomputer> If I had a Dragon cassette machine I'd still keep my Pioneer CTS830S for those dull old recordings - adjustable azimuth can't bring them back to life but the Pioneer can. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 29 January 2005 16:26 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Still, the outstanding playback quality of the Dragon > will give you an edge over other machines... > B > --- Edward Noyes wrote: > > > To watch one of these turntabes in action is to > > realize that pretty much > > all records are at least a little off center. I > > mean, I have probably > > 1000 cassettes and only a few were recorded with the > > azimuth noticably > > off which means a Dragon would be of little use to > > me ;-) > > > > Ed > > From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 30 09:58:36 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:58:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] rm200 In-Reply-To: <20050129163027.73650.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala. please dont do that, its not necessary as I have been sent the plug pin outs by another member Thanks anyway Colin -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 29 January 2005 16:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] rm200 I dont have a schematic, but I can open up my remote and check.. strange your dog seems to have a think for Nakamichi also? :) B --- Colin Marsh wrote: > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit > and plug connections > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the > plug and about 2 m of the > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the > original!) but dont know > how to wire it together. > > > Thanks > Colin > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a > pain in the Ass, from my > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 30 10:04:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:04:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <20050129163404.81064.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201c506aa$c375a040$f1aa4e51@oemcomputer> Perhaps but one can hardly say ReVox cassette decks were not successful in the pro' arena, and I don't just mean recording studios. Radio stations, emergency services, airports, etc - there are still plenty of ReVox cassette machines doing hard work at least within the UK and some of them are 24/7/365. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 29 January 2005 16:34 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > I guess its the classic case of a company doing > something well, and then trying that on other > products. Most times, it doesnt seem to work though. > B > --- "Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > > > Hi Gra' > > > > > > Nelson wrote: > > > V interesting - thanks for the info/warning! > > > > > > "bench queen" - I love that phrase!!! > > > > The irony is that Revox and Studer reel-to-reels are > > built like tanks! > > I've owned A77s, B77s, PR-99, B67 and A80 decks and > > seldom ever had a > > problem with them. Why they couldn't build cassette > > decks that were as > > well made is beyond me. > > > > Another '70s phrase is "Knock Knock Joke," referring > > to making a master > > tape with a Nakamichi cassette deck then telling the > > client you used a > > reel-to-reel ... and afterward enjoying the > > compliments you get on the > > sound quality! > > > > N-JoY! > > > > >> > > >>Nelson wrote: > > >> > > >>>Bart said: "And although the Revox delivers a > > pleasant sound too, its > > >>>sturdiness is > > >>>questionable. " > > >>> > > >>>You have me intrigued! In what way is it > > questionable? I'd > > >> > > >>always felt > > >> > > >>>the Revox was probably the most robust workhorses > > out there. > > >> > > >>My Revox B710, a wonderful sounding deck when it > > works right, is a pain > > >>in the neck. It overheats, its transport has tiny > > precision actuator > > >>pins that wear out causing horrible > > flutter-and-wow, the teeny-weeny > > >>pinch rollers' bearing accumulate dirt and add to > > the flutter-and-wow > > >>woes, and it won't hold calibration for more than > > about 200 hours. > > >> > > >>The deck is what we call a "bench queen" because > > it always needs > > >>something fixed or adjusted. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From semplay at dircon.co.uk Sun Jan 30 13:06:52 2005 From: semplay at dircon.co.uk (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:06:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Sony Walkman Pro WM D6 is an excellent portable sound recording machine particularly when properly calibrated biased for certain tapes. The playback is very open and lucid probably due to the quality of the quartz locked transport system which has pitch control. I have one these machines set up for TDK SA and MA with excellent results using certain Sennheiser MKH series of microphones although the line in and line out allows it to be used as a stand alone decent cassette deck. Another unit although larger ( about A5 size) is the Sony TC D5 Pro Mk2 which is a superb portable "broadcast standard" cassette recorder with XLR mic inputs and the body is of metal construction. I love these units so bought 3 in almost new and unused condition. They have 2 analogue vu meters with a backlight and run from either 2xD size batteries or a plug in power supply same as the WM D6's. Both Sony machines are excellent and in my experience can challenge high end home based cassette decks but not quite as good as the Nakamichi's. I used to have a Nakamichi DT 550 which was good but not truly portable whereas the Sony TC D5 Pro Mk2 is a quarter in size and dare I say it "a good alternative"- there, I've said it and I'm just waiting for a thunderbolt any second. Regards Jag winnie pooh29/01/2005 23:07winniepoohlove at hotmail.com > >> >> yo yo Dawgs..Sup?,This question is to ask anyone if they know about the >> Sony WMd-6 (not totaly sure if i got the model number correct)Small >> portable cassete player(recorder),that actually made Sterophiles list of >> reccomended components,in the c or d category I believe.I think that >> brand new it was pretty expensive,and I am on the prowl for one,although >> not overly optimistic about finding one in excellent condition,as I'm >> guessing most of these little machines were "hardly" used, as the old >> ad goes.. > > > You must be referring to the Sony Professional WMD6C walkman. It's bigger > than normal Walkmans and since it is a professional model, was used by the > likes of reporters etc. before DAT and hard disk recorders came in.I > remember seeing it offerred for sale by Sony Europe as a current item one > year ago, not sure if it still is. You are right that it is still pretty > expensive if you can find a decent one on Ebay and most of them will have > had a full working life............ If you don't need the recording > function, why not consider getting the WMDC2 walkman instead? Or the WMDC3 > which does have recording too and is inbetween the DC2 and D6C? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Jan 30 15:20:17 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:20:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Cassette Deck 1 issue Message-ID: <3846-41FCED21-58@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Greetings NAK'ers(no not the North American Kant Society,Hah!).I am trying to find out the best late model deck that is 3 head,and that features the best sonic compromise Between cost and reliability.I don't want the RX-505,because I'm always concerned about the Auto reverse on my 303 "flipping out" someday.The Dragon is a mammal best left to the technichians i think,although I have heard of some of youre Dragons going along just ducky.I was going to probably try and obtain a cassette deck 1,but first i have a coule of questions/concerns. A). I have heard of an Issue with the "1"- a cheap mitsubishi moter prone to failure.Can anyone tell me anything about that? B).would the recordings from my 303 sound ok on the Cassette deck 1?what about recordings from other decks and/or prerecorded Tapes? Any suggestions for what Nak to get-I lost a bid on another 303 from e-bay,but i think i would rather get a 505 anyway if I decide to go that route.Anyone have anything that they wanna off that is in this Baliwick? thank you very much, gerald From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 15:47:53 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:47:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE; Cassette Deck 1 issue In-Reply-To: <3846-41FCED21-58@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <20050130144753.48777.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi gerald I miss your fantastic humour !!! Cassette Deck 1 has these Capstan motors not necessarily they would fail immediately but it can as per our earlier naktalk posts mainly from Stephen. Also later machines themselves came out with better motors as Nak had to face huge failures immediately after sale. Probably if you look for later series machines it should give no problem. But I have seen 3 Cassette deck 1's of Robert kent and two more of aother naktalker who is a silent one on this list. These are good ones as any 3 head naks missing slight sonic beauty of older Naks neverthless has fantastic Azimuth adjust feature - very handy indeed. It records well - as good as any other Nak. Playback sound may be due to the Sony Dolby chip on its path. Your Rx 303 is a two head machine and any cassette recorded would sound better on any 3 head naks. So cassette deck 1 is equally good source to play tapes as it has azimuth alignment incase of slight mismatch between this and RX 303. I would keep one of this to play tapes alone since its going rate on ebay is better than many decks of the same calibre. You can always get one of these capstan motors from other three/ two head machines of BX/CR/DR series anytime in case of failure. Only advice is to keep the machine switched off to keep the Castan motor life longer. Yeah Cassette Deck unlike CR 3A, capstan motor will be on all the times - another reason for its failure it seems. Hope this helps kannan "Gerald G." wrote: Greetings NAK'ers(no not the North American Kant Society,Hah!).I am trying to find out the best late model deck that is 3 head,and that features the best sonic compromise Between cost and reliability.I don't want the RX-505,because I'm always concerned about the Auto reverse on my 303 "flipping out" someday.The Dragon is a mammal best left to the technichians i think,although I have heard of some of youre Dragons going along just ducky.I was going to probably try and obtain a cassette deck 1,but first i have a coule of questions/concerns. A). I have heard of an Issue with the "1"- a cheap mitsubishi moter prone to failure.Can anyone tell me anything about that? B).would the recordings from my 303 sound ok on the Cassette deck 1?what about recordings from other decks and/or prerecorded Tapes? Any suggestions for what Nak to get-I lost a bid on another 303 from e-bay,but i think i would rather get a 505 anyway if I decide to go that route.Anyone have anything that they wanna off that is in this Baliwick? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I use ZX-9 for >recording and RX-505 for replay of recorded and prerecorded tape. > >Since my collection of prerecorded tape has grown considerably over >last 6 months (over 500) I would like to buy another Nak to be used for >replay only. > >The question is - which one to get for the best replay? > > >TIA, > > >Bob > >===== >................................................. >"Everywhere in the world where knowledge is being >supressed, knowledge that, if it were made known, >would shatter our image of the world and force us >to question ourselves--everywhere there, Heart of >Darkness is being enacted." - Sven Lindqvist >................................................. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 30 13:41:31 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:41:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: <20050130043636.40484.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c506c9$06497e00$f1aa4e51@oemcomputer> I seem to recall that the most cost effective tweak one could do to some, not all, Nak's was re-route some of the wiring. The ZX7 and ZX9's, for example, have very long runs of cabling which Stephen always thought could be significantly reduced thus shortening the signal path and - one would presume - improving the sound quality. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bob Petrovich > Sent: 30 January 2005 04:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question > > > > > This is a question for list members who are not solder-gun shy. > > Based on experience from tweaking tuners, CD players and amps, here is > what I believe would make audible improvement to Nak decks as well: > > 1. IEC 320 connector to allow use of shielded power cables > (alternativelly direct soldering of shielded cable with draining wire) > > 2. Replace inside wiring with shielded silver teflon wiring. > > 3. Resonance control of the case and bonnet and transport mechanism. > Various materials to kill different frequences. > > 4. Vibrapod instead of stock feet > > 5. Hexfreds on power supply. > > 6. Adding additional capacitors to power supply (I do not know the > value yet) > > 7. Copper shielding > > 8. Quality RCA connectors > > I have had amazing results with tweaking of various components but > never did anything on my Naks. If you have done some of the tweaks > above or something I have not mentioned, can you advise? > > > TIA > > Bob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From arichison at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 19:22:55 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:22:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131182255.45982.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks, I wanted to upgrade my walkman for sure!! I had no idea if I could ever get a decent portable walkman in these days and times, are there any on ebay? andre --- Jagtar Semplay wrote: > The Sony Walkman Pro WM D6 is an excellent portable > sound recording machine > particularly when properly calibrated biased for > certain tapes. The playback > is very open and lucid probably due to the quality > of the quartz locked > transport system which has pitch control. > > I have one these machines set up for TDK SA and MA > with excellent results > using certain Sennheiser MKH series of microphones > although the line in and > line out allows it to be used as a stand alone > decent cassette deck. > > Another unit although larger ( about A5 size) is the > Sony TC D5 Pro Mk2 > which is a superb portable "broadcast standard" > cassette recorder with XLR > mic inputs and the body is of metal construction. I > love these units so > bought 3 in almost new and unused condition. They > have 2 analogue vu meters > with a backlight and run from either 2xD size > batteries or a plug in power > supply same as the WM D6's. Both Sony machines are > excellent and in my > experience can challenge high end home based > cassette decks but not quite > as good as the Nakamichi's. I used to have a > Nakamichi DT 550 which was good > but not truly portable whereas the Sony TC D5 Pro > Mk2 is a quarter in size > and dare I say it "a good alternative"- there, I've > said it and I'm just > waiting for a thunderbolt any second. > > Regards > Jag > > > winnie pooh29/01/2005 > 23:07winniepoohlove at hotmail.com > > > > >> > >> yo yo Dawgs..Sup?,This question is to ask anyone > if they know about the > >> Sony WMd-6 (not totaly sure if i got the model > number correct)Small > >> portable cassete player(recorder),that actually > made Sterophiles list of > >> reccomended components,in the c or d category I > believe.I think that > >> brand new it was pretty expensive,and I am on the > prowl for one,although > >> not overly optimistic about finding one in > excellent condition,as I'm > >> guessing most of these little machines were > "hardly" used, as the old > >> ad goes.. > > > > > > You must be referring to the Sony Professional > WMD6C walkman. It's bigger > > than normal Walkmans and since it is a > professional model, was used by the > > likes of reporters etc. before DAT and hard disk > recorders came in.I > > remember seeing it offerred for sale by Sony > Europe as a current item one > > year ago, not sure if it still is. You are right > that it is still pretty > > expensive if you can find a decent one on Ebay and > most of them will have > > had a full working life............ If you don't > need the recording > > function, why not consider getting the WMDC2 > walkman instead? Or the WMDC3 > > which does have recording too and is inbetween the > DC2 and D6C? > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== I am NOW switching to my new email account. Please write me at: TheAndre at gmail.com Andre Richison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jknows1 at mac.com Sun Jan 30 14:35:51 2005 From: jknows1 at mac.com (james knowles) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:35:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 In-Reply-To: <20050129162324.41260.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050129162324.41260.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you kindly Bala, My email address is jknows1 at mac.com >pretty much any format. James. On Jan 29, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Yes I have. I'll email it to you. > > Bala > --- james knowles wrote: > >> Any one have a copy of an owners manual? Thanks. >> James Knowles. >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 17:49:50 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:49:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <004d01c506a8$a21b55e0$f1aa4e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050130164950.20479.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Graham and the others, I have a question. I have about over a hundred cassettes which were recorded over a span of 30 years and wish to archive them. I would like modify one of my 680ZXs to a fully playback machine. Would manually adjusting the PH azimuth help it anyway? I am also considering removing the bias trap,plus change in some components. Open to all valuable advice please.. B --- Nelson wrote: > If I had a Dragon cassette machine I'd still keep my > Pioneer CTS830S for > those dull old recordings - adjustable azimuth can't > bring them back to life > but the Pioneer can. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 29 January 2005 16:26 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > Still, the outstanding playback quality of the > Dragon > > will give you an edge over other machines... > > B > > --- Edward Noyes wrote: > > > > > To watch one of these turntabes in action is to > > > realize that pretty much > > > all records are at least a little off center. I > > > mean, I have probably > > > 1000 cassettes and only a few were recorded with > the > > > azimuth noticably > > > off which means a Dragon would be of little use > to > > > me ;-) > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sun Jan 30 19:25:32 2005 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:25:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX Servie Manual Message-ID: <004001c506f9$1566a900$eb1a0cd0@r7g1f8> I am interested in the Service manual for the 680 ZX too. How do you sign on to Tom's website to get it??? Randall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 30 19:25:07 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:25:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: <20050130043636.40484.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050130043636.40484.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FD2683.4090706@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob! > This is a question for list members who are not solder-gun shy. > > Based on experience from tweaking tuners, CD players and amps, here is > what I believe would make audible improvement to Nak decks as well: > > 1. IEC 320 connector to allow use of shielded power cables Good idea. It reduces induction of mains frequency to adjacent audio cables. > (alternativelly direct soldering of shielded cable with draining wire) Bad idea from safety standpoint. > 2. Replace inside wiring with shielded silver teflon wiring. Waste of money...any good console wiring will do, like Mogami, Belden "Brilliance" or Canare, in that order. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 3. Resonance control of the case and bonnet and transport mechanism. > Various materials to kill different frequences. Little gain, if any, for the effort. Resonance isn't the issue with a cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the things that obviously rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and this benefits only the listening environment at that, not the deck. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 4. Vibrapod instead of stock feet Possible, but wait on this; it's more of an affectation than a real improvement. Placebo effect is at work with tweaks like these, except for their use on turntables. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 5. Hexfreds on power supply. EXCELLENT idea! Caution: you may have to adjust the power supply afterward. Sometimes they run higher voltages with the more efficient HEXFRED diodes. > 6. Adding additional capacitors to power supply (I do not know the > value yet) The deck's audio electronics already have excellent power supply ripple rejection and you'll little or gain nothing for the effort. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 7. Copper shielding Yes! Very good idea! RFI can increase modulation distortion in any audio gear. > 8. Quality RCA connectors I'm not a big believer in these overpriced connectors like WBT and Bocchino. A good Deltron, Neutrik or Switchcraft is perfectly fine. Again, placebo effect is at work with tweaks like these. IF your original RCA jacks are oxidized, go ahead. Otherwise, don't sweat it unless you simply want the image and snob appeal that a high-end RCA jack projects. Save your money for blank cassettes. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From flifton at mac.com Sun Jan 30 21:40:48 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:40:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] walkmen In-Reply-To: <200501301100.j0UB0Eeu006955@zebra.naks.com> References: <200501301100.j0UB0Eeu006955@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3943D8FC-72FF-11D9-BCB4-000D93C246E2@mac.com> (Sticks pale reedy arm in the air for attention) At the risk of being branded a heretic on this list, for a walkman scenario I can't imagine why anyone would bother with cassettes any more. (sidesteps well-aimed cassette case hurled by one of angry mob) If you use a format like AAC or AIFF to rip cassettes/LPs/CD's to digital, a hard-drive digital player (i.e. iPod) will sound almost as good as any walkman, weigh less, take up less room, not skip when you run (or, in my case, walk stiffly) and break less when you drop it. And you will drop it. Not to mention, of course, you never have to stop to change tapes. Sorry folks, but I think for pocket music, our venerable format simply can no longer compete. Let the flames begin (winces, and ducks), "anonymous" On Jan 30, 2005, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: "winnie pooh" > Date: January 29, 2005 3:07:02 PM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >> >> yo yo Dawgs..Sup?,This question is to ask anyone if they know about >> the >> Sony WMd-6 (not totaly sure if i got the model number correct)Small >> portable cassete player(recorder),that actually made Sterophiles list >> of >> reccomended components,in the c or d category I believe.I think that >> brand new it was pretty expensive,and I am on the prowl for >> one,although >> not overly optimistic about finding one in excellent condition,as I'm >> guessing most of these little machines were "hardly" used, as the old >> ad goes.. > > > You must be referring to the Sony Professional WMD6C walkman. It's > bigger than normal Walkmans and since it is a professional model, was > used by the likes of reporters etc. before DAT and hard disk recorders > came in.I remember seeing it offerred for sale by Sony Europe as a > current item one year ago, not sure if it still is. You are right that > it is still pretty expensive if you can find a decent one on Ebay and > most of them will have had a full working life............ If you > don't need the recording function, why not consider getting the WMDC2 > walkman instead? Or the WMDC3 which does have recording too and is > inbetween the DC2 and D6C? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fred On Jan 30, 2005, at 4:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: rjlbjk at cox.net > Date: January 29, 2005 5:35:24 PM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hey Gra' > > Even as a very religious man, I find that joke funny!!.......and very > philosophical. > > > >> >> From: "Nelson" >> Date: 2005/01/29 Sat PM 12:52:08 EST >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >> >> >> Thanks Alex! You never know what's a round the corner ... and it >> might be a >> Dragon CT. But as that old joke goes: >> >> Q: How do you make God laugh? >> A: Tell Him your plans for the future ... >> >> Gra' >> > > Roland -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience or reverb tails. N-Joy! Magnetize wrote: > Hi, > > Im new round these parts, just thought id say hello :) > > Ive had a 680ZX for a while that i use in my studio for recording - I love > its nice analogue tape compressed/saturated sound. > > Anyway, i thought it was about time that i made myself a reasonably decent > system in my home, at the moment its a dodgy collection of stuff ive > accumulated over the yrs. The start of this has just been a nice LX-5 that i > recently acquired, i want to set that up with a reasonably good amp & > speakers for the moment, with record deck & cd to follow later. >>From chatting to people & reading around i became interested in a NAD C320 > BEE amp and B&W DM602 S3 speakers. So im not talking big bucks here but > decent quality for the spend. > > Any opinions or suggestions? I obviously will be auditioning stuff so this > is just so i can have pointers. Hopefully im not off-topic here ;) > > Thx. > > Stephen. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 31 08:43:42 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:43:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <003f01c5062c$6a97fb40$1ca14e51@oemcomputer> References: <003f01c5062c$6a97fb40$1ca14e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41FDE1AE.2050103@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > LOL!! That reminds me ... sorry for anyone who's heard this story before > .... My wife had collected some jazz material from Russia for a radio > programme we were putting together for a jazz radio station. (Jazz FM, as > was in Manchester.) Some of the material was on cassette. The producer > said that wouldn't be good enough for broadcast quality. So, we dubbed the > tracks we wanted from the cassette onto a DAT tape ... and he loved it!!! > It was broadcast. We never told him our secret. (We didn't use a Nak to > replay - I didn't have one then - but my 2nd generation Aiwa AD1800 2 head > deck, laying it down on a borrowed Sony 1st generation DAT machine.) > This proves that, at least in pro circles, image is often everything! You should have told him you recorded the music using "total waveform technology," then asked him why settle for samples and use digital? Score One for the Nakamichi! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Jan 31 20:26:54 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:26:54 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals References: Message-ID: <00fc01c507ca$d3e22a90$f54898de@tec> Hello Tomas How do I log into your website please Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals > Got some manuals up, for download now. > The page-layot might change, since I'm testing various CMS's. > Anyway enjoy, downloading. > > www.naks.mine.nu > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:46 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals > > > Hi Thomas! > > Also I own a BX TZS car...always repairing...I'm tired of this! > > Nice 2005 New Year! > > ALEX! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Larsson" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:15 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals > > >> Well, I haven't hadf time to put it up yet, it's a copy of my private >> site, >> deals mostly with Citroen XM car. >> Everything will hopefully be finished over the weekend. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of JVB/RHG >> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:44 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals >> >> >> Perhaps a translation please, Tomas. >> >> Randall in Seattle, USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tomas Larsson" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals >> >> >>> Why Not?? >>> Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700 >>> amplifier, manufactured in the middle of the 70's. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> >>> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals >>> >>> >>> Hi Tom, and the rest, >>> >>> Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome? >>> >>> Bala >>> --- Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>> > I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our >>> > NAK's, but also anything >>> > else. >>> > This site is pure technical, with service-manuals >>> > etc only, no forums, no >>> > pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either. >>> > I do have unlimited >>> > space, just a matter how large HD's I fit. >>> > >>> > I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now >>> > this will take some >>> > time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas >>> > present. >>> > >>> > www.naks.mine.nu >>> > http://naks.mine.nu >>> > >>> > In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you >>> > have to me on my >>> > mail-account. >>> > I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one >>> > each 5 minutes or so. >>> > >>> > With best regards >>> > >>> > Tomas Larsson >>> > Sweden >>> > >>> > Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> = >>> ==== >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> = >>> ==== >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> = >>> ==== >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. >>> http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 30 13:56:42 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:56:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Alex Isn't it strange how we guys come to love and cherish our HI FI Gear? Why is that? After all they are just machines and electronics! I once told my partner that in the event of a house fire, I would bring out the Hi Fi first and then "maybe" go back for her! Her reply was that she would bring out the credit cards and my insurance policies first, then go back for the dog! and let me fry!!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 29 January 2005 20:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... Shalom Colin! You ARE NOT alone, who loves Linn's LP-12! Here in Israel I have my best "Audiophile" friend, who stick/love all Naim's gear minus speaker that own a ProAc 3.8 and the last LP table fitted with Naim's Aro/Troika/Argmadon external power supply...AND don't want to listen from nobody of "Improving"...his in love LP-12 with something else...! It's only as a example!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:52:56 -0000 > >Ive never seen on of these, didnt even know they existed!! but owning a >large record collection, If I had known, would have probably aquired one. >I >do have a few records with off-centre holes and my way around this is to >place a spare platter on my Linn which has the spindle removed andsticky >silicon mat on it, I then centre the record using a small laser. >I think when it comes to turntables though the less added the better! >Simple seems to have been the keyword to a successful turntable. Proven by >the famous Linn I think ? Mine is one of the originals, God knows how old >it is! Its had new bearings Motors and belts. The only extra was an >external power supply, and that was taken off after only a few months use! >When it comes down to it Nak made this beast because they believed there >was >a market for it! and in the hope that thy would make some money from its >sales. If you love it Great! if you hate it Great! Turntable arm >cartridge combinations are probably the most individual Hi Fi component >there is! we love some, we hate others! I opted for the Linn and have >never really wanted to replace it. Mind you, If I was offered the Nak >beast >I would jump in feet first! Just for the hell of it! > >By the way, did it actually work? > >Colin > -----Original Message----- > From: JVB/RHG [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] > Sent: 27 January 2005 19:01 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Thanks for the reply. More specifically, why so much who-haw about >developing a turntable that would correct an off-center-spindle hole, when >that was rarely an issue with better vinyl??? > > Randall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same >way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous by >B >and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are >going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the >market. > B > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Randall, > > JVB/RHG wrote: > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an >old >Sony > > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole >being > > "off center." > > > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development >budget >on > > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it >about > > making money more than about making sound??? > > The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of LPs > overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a product >is, > or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company >cannot > make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some >point. > For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the popularity > of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's > un! inpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is >excellent, > although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's >arm). > > Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. > > Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be > regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for >example, > whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" >most > buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to learn > that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s and >Cd > players in the 1990s because the association of their name with > cassettes is so strong. > > N-Joy > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >==== > Register your Nak tod! ay! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >==== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >==== > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Modernizy at netscape.net Sun Jan 30 22:49:55 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:49:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question Message-ID: <1D8B7551.21B1969E.026D48C1@netscape.net> First and foremost - all said below is based on my own preferences and likings. Your perception may be different. You really MUST listen for yourself whether you like the upgraded sound of your gear or not. Tweaking is not an easy task, very time-consuming and subjective, but the results could be fantastic (and could be awful as well). Unfortunately you can not just buy a handful of the best components, solder them in place and enjoy. The result could be far from satisfactory, let alone good or excellent. Several times some excessive tweaking leads me to the audio dead-end and I had to start from some previous point moving in another direction. And the last but not least - thorough tweaking could easily double or even triple the price you paid for the original machine. Think for yourself if all this is worth your money and effort. >From my modest personal experience the most profound difference I got was after replacing the most crytical lytics in the signal path and power supply for non-polar Black Gates (E-Cap) and introducing Infineon carborundum diods (better than HEXFREDs) into the power supply. Some improvements could be achieved by replacing critical voltage regulators for better ones (Motorola), Linear Technologies is even better, but being regulated type, they require some additional resistors to set the voltage appropriately. Tremendous (well, at least to my mind) improvement I get after upgrading the headphone section ICs (best with small pcbs a-la LC Audio with 2 single Burr-Brown OPA-627 IC) and lytics. Another worthwhile upgrade was placing a tantalum resistor at the collector of the first input transistor just after the heads, it proves to be a better option than simply replace the ordinary resistor with Holco or Vishay substitute. Power cords... I do not want to start another 'cable war' here and refrain from mentioning the brands so listen for yourself. Installing IEC socket will give you a possibility to compare different power cords quite easily. Copper shielding usually introduce some slight improvements but the difference is really subtle. The main problem in Naks is a huge amount of switching transistors in the signal paths, and there is no simple way to overcome this. Using hermetically sealed reed relays is impractical due to pcb space constraints. Other common cause of sound degradation is ceramic capacitors. If your budget permits try to change them with better types (HR, MPO), the best option is to replace them with silver-mica caps. Well... here you are to name a few. I consider these tweaks to be the facetting that help our precious gems to shine. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jan 31 02:47:37 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:47:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi in Europe & 680ZX In-Reply-To: <20050128044133.43452.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050128044133.43452.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala wrote about Tomas's site as below. Does anyone know how to register? There seems to be no way in without a name and password. David Hi , You can go to Tomas's website at www.naks.mine.nu . The service and user manual is all there. Bala > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mamster at wnx.com Mon Jan 31 07:44:32 2005 From: mamster at wnx.com (Michael Amster) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:44:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 problem revisited Message-ID: <41FDD3D0.1070102@wnx.com> I took delivery of the ZX-7 and the issues are the auto stop problem in all directions - REW, FF, PLAY. I assume this is just belts and other rubber bits. Are there any sources for this without sending the unit in for repair? If not, who is the best resource and what should I expect to pay? I have done this repair on a BX-1 in the past and Stephen Sank sent me parts. I am not sure that can happen this time based on the email from this group. Any help appreciated. Any way to clean or refurbish the existing parts in the mean time? -MA From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 31 08:19:09 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:19:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question Message-ID: <41FDDBED.7020504@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob! > This is a question for list members who are not solder-gun shy. > Based on experience from tweaking tuners, CD players and amps, here is > what I believe would make audible improvement to Nak decks as well: > > 1. IEC 320 connector to allow use of shielded power cables Good idea. It reduces induction of mains frequency to adjacent audio cables. > (alternativelly direct soldering of shielded cable with draining wire) Bad idea from safety standpoint. > 2. Replace inside wiring with shielded silver teflon wiring. Waste of money...any good console wiring will do, like Mogami, Belden "Brilliance" or Canare, in that order. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 3. Resonance control of the case and bonnet and transport mechanism. > Various materials to kill different frequences. Little gain, if any, for the effort. Resonance isn't the issue with a cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the things that obviously rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and this benefits only the listening environment at that, not the deck. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 4. Vibrapod instead of stock feet Possible, but wait on this; it's more of an affectation than a real improvement. Placebo effect is at work with tweaks like these, except for their use on turntables. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 5. Hexfreds on power supply. EXCELLENT idea! Caution: you may have to adjust the power supply afterward. Sometimes they run higher voltages with the more efficient HEXFRED diodes. > 6. Adding additional capacitors to power supply (I do not know the > value yet) The deck's audio electronics already have excellent power supply ripple rejection and you'll little or gain nothing for the effort. Save your money for blank cassettes. > 7. Copper shielding Yes! Very good idea! RFI can increase modulation distortion in any audio gear. > 8. Quality RCA connectors I'm not a big believer in these overpriced connectors like WBT and Bocchino. A good Deltron, Neutrik or Switchcraft is perfectly fine. Again, placebo effect is at work with tweaks like these. IF your original RCA jacks are oxidized, go ahead. Otherwise, don't sweat it unless you simply want the image and snob appeal that a high-end RCA jack projects. Save your money for blank cassettes. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 31 09:30:13 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:30:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Cassette Deck 1 issue Message-ID: Hi Gerald, Kannan's advise is as solid as ever - in fact it was his words of encouragement when I got my first Nak - a Cassette Deck One. I assure you, it is a beautiful machine which turns in a magnificent performance. I read somewhere that styling for the whole series was by Issy Miyage (sp) and assure you, it grows on you. A capstan motor should not be difficult to replace as Kannan says. Sound is rock steady, rich, powerful and detailed. As usual with this high-end deck, performance really snaps into focus with top type II formulae and demanding metals. Everything you could expect from a Nak!! Buy without hesitation. Best wishes, Marc >>> kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com 01/30/05 04:47PM >>> Hi gerald I miss your fantastic humour !!! Cassette Deck 1 has these Capstan motors not necessarily they would fail immediately but it can as per our earlier naktalk posts mainly from Stephen. Also later machines themselves came out with better motors as Nak had to face huge failures immediately after sale. Probably if you look for later series machines it should give no problem. But I have seen 3 Cassette deck 1's of Robert kent and two more of aother naktalker who is a silent one on this list. These are good ones as any 3 head naks missing slight sonic beauty of older Naks neverthless has fantastic Azimuth adjust feature - very handy indeed. It records well - as good as any other Nak. Playback sound may be due to the Sony Dolby chip on its path. Your Rx 303 is a two head machine and any cassette recorded would sound better on any 3 head naks. So cassette deck 1 is equally good source to play tapes as it has azimuth alignment incase of slight mismatch between this and RX 303. I would keep one of this to play tapes alone since its going rate on ebay is better than many decks of the same calibre. You can always get one of these capstan motors from other three/ two head machines of BX/CR/DR series anytime in case of failure. Only advice is to keep the machine switched off to keep the Castan motor life longer. Yeah Cassette Deck unlike CR 3A, capstan motor will be on all the times - another reason for its failure it seems. Hope this helps kannan "Gerald G." wrote: Greetings NAK'ers(no not the North American Kant Society,Hah!).I am trying to find out the best late model deck that is 3 head,and that features the best sonic compromise Between cost and reliability.I don't want the RX-505,because I'm always concerned about the Auto reverse on my 303 "flipping out" someday.The Dragon is a mammal best left to the technichians i think,although I have heard of some of youre Dragons going along just ducky.I was going to probably try and obtain a cassette deck 1,but first i have a coule of questions/concerns. A). I have heard of an Issue with the "1"- a cheap mitsubishi moter prone to failure.Can anyone tell me anything about that? B).would the recordings from my 303 sound ok on the Cassette deck 1?what about recordings from other decks and/or prerecorded Tapes? Any suggestions for what Nak to get-I lost a bid on another 303 from e-bay,but i think i would rather get a 505 anyway if I decide to go that route.Anyone have anything that they wanna off that is in this Baliwick? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 21:04:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:04:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Definitive guide for Tomas's website. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131200437.44067.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, as most people are a little confused, here is the way to access the documents. You hit the home page with www.naks.mine.nu . You then click on 'Home' on the left hand side. And then click 'downloads' which appears beneath it. On the right hand column, you will be greeted with Nak Manuals and Nak literature. Click on the either and it will go to the download page containing the corresponding documents. Clicking on the link will start downloading the document. Bala --- David Thompson wrote: > Bala wrote about Tomas's site as below. Does anyone > know how to > register? There seems to be no way in without a name > and password. > > David > > Hi , > > You can go to Tomas's website at > www.naks.mine.nu . The > service and user > manual is all there. > > Bala > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 31 21:32:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: <41FDE0F1.9090307@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <004601c507d4$0b566640$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Kermit Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the ancient original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess of £1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the new models, only cost around £125-£150 each - they are a superb bargain. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > Hi Steve, > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > or reverb tails. > > N-Joy! > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 31 21:32:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] walkmen In-Reply-To: <3943D8FC-72FF-11D9-BCB4-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: <004701c507d4$0d0acd00$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Well.... consider that the Michelle Shocked "Campfire Tapes" LP was recorded live onto a Sony Walkman Pro cassette machine (and just a few yards away from where Gerald lives ... ) Now, I've never heard of an records being recorded live onto an iPod or a Mini Disc ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 30 January 2005 20:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] walkmen (Sticks pale reedy arm in the air for attention) At the risk of being branded a heretic on this list, for a walkman scenario I can't imagine why anyone would bother with cassettes any more. (sidesteps well-aimed cassette case hurled by one of angry mob) If you use a format like AAC or AIFF to rip cassettes/LPs/CD's to digital, a hard-drive digital player (i.e. iPod) will sound almost as good as any walkman, weigh less, take up less room, not skip when you run (or, in my case, walk stiffly) and break less when you drop it. And you will drop it. Not to mention, of course, you never have to stop to change tapes. Sorry folks, but I think for pocket music, our venerable format simply can no longer compete. Let the flames begin (winces, and ducks), "anonymous" the DC2 and D6C? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 31 22:17:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: <41FDDBED.7020504@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <005a01c507da$4866f8a0$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Kermit wrote: "Little gain, if any, for the effort. Resonance isn't the issue with a cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the things that obviously rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and this benefits only the listening environment at that, not the deck. Save your money for blank cassettes." I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's an issue with my ZX-9 or my Pioneer. However, I noticed when I was using my top loading Aiwa that minute vibrations got through from the motor to the cassette shell. I figured that if it was doing that to the shell those vibrations would be transferring to affect the smooth passage of the tape itself. I therefore placed a square of Sorbothane between the lid and the cassette, giving very gentle pressure on the cassette. I am sure there was a SUBTLE difference in the quality of recording and playback - i.e. better clarity, as you'd expect. I later heard that one manufacturer - I forget who - was using a similar technique, also using Sorbothane. Moreover, Pioneer developed a method of tilting the cassette for playback and record (it's featured in my CTS830S), again supposedly to reduce resonance. Therefore, at least SOME of the makers thought resonance was/is an issue and worth addressing. Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 31 22:01:12 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:01:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <20050130164950.20479.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c507d7$ff1bc420$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> It will ONLY help with recordings made on machines where the azimuth was a little bit out. If any of the recordings are dull, because of their age, get yourself a Pioneer CTS730S or CTS830S. Should cost you about £150 on eBay, I'd guess. (The 830 was £500 new.) Send me a dull cassette and a blank cassette and I'll dub one from my Pioneer to my ZX-9, so you can see how good is the Pioneer FLEX circuit at restoring the sound from old/dull cassettes. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 30 January 2005 16:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Graham and the others, > > I have a question. I have about over a > hundred cassettes which were recorded over a span of > 30 years and wish to archive them. I would like modify > one of my 680ZXs to a fully playback machine. Would > manually adjusting the PH azimuth help it anyway? I am > also considering removing the bias trap,plus change in > some components. Open to all valuable advice please.. > > B > --- Nelson wrote: > > > If I had a Dragon cassette machine I'd still keep my > > Pioneer CTS830S for > > those dull old recordings - adjustable azimuth can't > > bring them back to life > > but the Pioneer can. > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Sent: 29 January 2005 16:26 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > > > > Still, the outstanding playback quality of the > > Dragon > > > will give you an edge over other machines... > > > B > > > --- Edward Noyes wrote: > > > > > > > To watch one of these turntabes in action is to > > > > realize that pretty much > > > > all records are at least a little off center. I > > > > mean, I have probably > > > > 1000 cassettes and only a few were recorded with > > the > > > > azimuth noticably > > > > off which means a Dragon would be of little use > > to > > > > me ;-) > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-10.txt ************************************************************************ From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 1 01:10:21 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:10:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why Is it, messages delayed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hay, you're lucky, mine usually don't appear till the next day! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Why Is it, messages delayed. Why is it that all messages I send to Naktalk is delayed a good one and a half hour? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.naks.mine.nu downloads etc ftp.ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 1 01:25:56 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:25:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassettes in Nak Decks..... In-Reply-To: <20050930215641.26317.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: See Kermit's suggestion of the Quantegy 472 in this thread Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hem Bihag Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cassettes in Nak Decks..... Any sugestions for chromium dioxide cassettes as well? Debashish Chakravarti --- KJ Bleus wrote: > Drop a quality made cassette into your cassette deck > bay, you'll observe and hear the differences. > > Example, way back in 1982, when the ZX-9 was > released, TDK's MA-R cassette was considered the > blessed coming of the savior when placed into a good > Nak deck transport. Sure, later cassettes work > nicely, like Maxell's MX and MX-S cassettes. > Denon's MG-X and Fuji's FR Metal. Might I suggest > that some of you purchase a most recent generation > Sony Super Metal Master, TDK MA-XG or MA-EX > cassette, and give that the best workout in > recording and playback. Report back what you > experience. > > I haven't contributed for many months, but you can > be assured that I read Naktalk on a weekly basis > :-}} > > Reegards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:53:45 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other > manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Alan: > I'm not familiar with the 700ZXE, but the ZX-9 is > basically the same as my > ZX-7, so you are in great shape to use just about > any tape manufacture you > want, as long as you do the azmuth, levels and bias > before each recording > session, and I always perform them about half way > into the tape, on each > side. > Just stick to the best, name brand and you should be > fine. I always used > mainly TDK, but also used Maxell, then I discovered > the Sony line was > excellent and stated using thier chrome and metal > tapes. Sony's UX-Pro type > II chrome I was very impressed with, it used a rigid > ceramic guide assembly > and had very high output. I don't know what is > available today as I haven't > bought cassettes in years and am still using a > supply I've had of the > Sony's, and TDK's when I occasionally do a > recording. Maybe some others here > have some suggestions? > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ti at amb.org Sat Oct 1 04:35:48 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Why Is it, messages delayed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051001023548.6EAB01FA77@smtp.amb.org> Tomas Larsson writes: > Why is it that all messages I send to Naktalk is delayed a good one and a > half hour? I think naktalk sends out messages to subscribers only at certain times each day. -Ti From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 1 07:27:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <433D9794.6070208@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <20051001052720.65504.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Not sure if you read the previous post. My 700ZXL trounced the CR7 and Dragon. But parts maybe an issue expecially for the computer circuit. I am still looking for a service manual.. Bala --- Bob Gibson wrote: > Anyone on the list familiar with the Nak 700ZXL? > Pitfalls and good points would be appericated > as well as parts for same. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Sat Oct 1 10:48:50 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:48:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Why Is it, messages delayed. In-Reply-To: <20051001023548.6EAB01FA77@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Got an answer from kannan, the list is moderated, that's obviously why. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:36 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why Is it, messages delayed. > > > Tomas Larsson writes: > > Why is it that all messages I send to Naktalk is delayed a good one > > and a half hour? > > I think naktalk sends out messages to subscribers only at > certain times each day. > > -Ti > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sat Oct 1 13:45:40 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:45:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: Also please advise shipping cost to Australia. David On 30/09/2005, at 8:27 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: > Hi Michael > > how much extra would it cost to ship it to the UK? > > Cheers > > Michael > > >> >> From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >> >> Greetings everyone and everywhere, >> The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by >> the > >> Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an >> earlier > >> email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the >> Atlanta > >> group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of >> the > >> Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, >> which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). >> >> Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > >> eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no >> one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most >> probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will >> wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that >> represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > >> some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a >> whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England >> weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > >> different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, >> and provide a good workout for your equipment. >> >> The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in >> Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his >> many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the >> recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production >> details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will >> be > >> pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I >> will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the >> faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope >> you > >> like the music). >> >> Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for >> each copy to >> Kermit Gray >> Nak Marathon IIIa >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Dr. >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> >> Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send >> this > >> email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier >> in > >> the year (yes, I saved the names). >> Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. >> Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:37:24 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:37:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: Hi my dear Bala! So my hears were good during 1983, when together with some other friends, we check the 1000ZXL against the Dragon..and the sound trough the 1000ZXL was better! Only that during those days...nobody knew the "Problems"...with the Electronics in the 1000ZXL! Cheers, ALEX >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL >Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:27:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Bob, > > Not sure if you read the previous post. My 700ZXL >trounced the CR7 and Dragon. But parts maybe an issue >expecially for the computer circuit. I am still >looking for a service manual.. > >Bala > >--- Bob Gibson wrote: > > > Anyone on the list familiar with the Nak 700ZXL? > > Pitfalls and good points would be appericated > > as well as parts for same. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------===== From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Sat Oct 1 15:28:22 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:28:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20017686-30D7-4CC3-98F0-7CDF3494906D@zoominternet.net> If you could find the manual for a Nakamichi 660ZX I would use it! > Users Manual for MR-2 added, Thanks to Bob Gibson. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > www.naks.mine.nu downloads etc > ftp.ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Sat Oct 1 15:33:29 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:33:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <20051001052720.65504.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051001052720.65504.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433E9029.3090502@bresnan.net> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Hi Bob, > > Not sure if you read the previous post. My 700ZXL >trounced the CR7 and Dragon. But parts maybe an issue >expecially for the computer circuit. I am still >looking for a service manual.. > >Bala > >--- Bob Gibson wrote: > > > >>Anyone on the list familiar with the Nak 700ZXL? >>Pitfalls and good points would be appericated >>as well as parts for same. >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Bala; > > There is one on Ebay for sale at $9.00 in the cassette listing. Bob From rydell at hotpop.com Sat Oct 1 16:39:56 2005 From: rydell at hotpop.com (lilak) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:39:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] mastering deck? In-Reply-To: References: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051001162108.01ca3938@pop.hotpop.com> hi all im absolutely new to this this list so i hope im not boring you too much ... i run a small music production studio in berlin/germany, at the moment i do mostly experimental electronic music with soulful vocals. i love the sound of tape and want to master through a high end tape deck. reel to reel is just too much of a hassle so here comes nakamichi ... here is my question: what deck should i get for these qualities: - simple mechanics so i dont have to spend too much on maintainance - high end quality sound which i think goes for all nakamichis - metal tape? not shure if that is so important - im looking for a warm fat sound and high tape saturation - budget 500$ max from what ive read so far on the list the 600 seems to be a really good choice, or the cx-3? unfortunately i know nothing about tape decks so im happy about any kind of advice ... thanks for listening and best regards from berlin! lilak From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 1 17:35:29 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:35:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] mastering deck? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20051001162108.01ca3938@pop.hotpop.com> References: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20051001162108.01ca3938@pop.hotpop.com> Message-ID: <433EACC1.6080803@rcn.com> At first blush I thought 'Dragon', but good luck getting a good one for $500... The CR-7 is also over your budget. Next come the 700ZX, 680 and 670 series, all the way down to the BX-300/MR-1; but these, as good as they are, are no longer in the Music Production league. Of course, this depends on your standards. BTW, none of them have 'simple' mechanics. And, if you put them to real professional work, they *will* require regular maintenance. -- Ron lilak wrote: > > hi all > > im absolutely new to this this list so i hope im not boring you too much > ... > > i run a small music production studio in berlin/germany, at the moment i > do mostly experimental electronic music with soulful vocals. i love the > sound of tape and want to master through a high end tape deck. reel to > reel is just too much of a hassle so here comes nakamichi ... > > here is my question: what deck should i get for these qualities: > > - simple mechanics so i dont have to spend too much on maintainance > - high end quality sound which i think goes for all nakamichis > - metal tape? not shure if that is so important > - im looking for a warm fat sound and high tape saturation > - budget 500$ max > > from what ive read so far on the list the 600 seems to be a really good > choice, or the cx-3? unfortunately i know nothing about tape decks so im > happy about any kind of advice ... > > thanks for listening and best regards from berlin! > > lilak From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Sat Oct 1 17:43:06 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:43:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 Message-ID: <26A6AF64-EE7F-4EC8-8179-365687BFC232@zoominternet.net> I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I hear is chipmunk voices. Do I need a new belt. Any recommendations. Also the power cord was cut but the seller put a new one on, could this be the problem? The item number is 5811628016 enter it into the eBay search box. Thanks in advance isaac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 1 18:15:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:15:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] mastering deck? In-Reply-To: <433EACC1.6080803@rcn.com> Message-ID: How about the ZX-7 or LX-5? They are both top quality 3 head decks with lots of features, wonderful sound, reliable, and you can still find them on Ebay, though usually needing some work, but they also have parts available. (The ZX-9 I understand is getting harder to get transport parts for). Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] mastering deck? At first blush I thought 'Dragon', but good luck getting a good one for $500... The CR-7 is also over your budget. Next come the 700ZX, 680 and 670 series, all the way down to the BX-300/MR-1; but these, as good as they are, are no longer in the Music Production league. Of course, this depends on your standards. BTW, none of them have 'simple' mechanics. And, if you put them to real professional work, they *will* require regular maintenance. -- Ron lilak wrote: > > hi all > > im absolutely new to this this list so i hope im not boring you too much > ... > > i run a small music production studio in berlin/germany, at the moment i > do mostly experimental electronic music with soulful vocals. i love the > sound of tape and want to master through a high end tape deck. reel to > reel is just too much of a hassle so here comes nakamichi ... > > here is my question: what deck should i get for these qualities: > > - simple mechanics so i dont have to spend too much on maintainance > - high end quality sound which i think goes for all nakamichis > - metal tape? not shure if that is so important > - im looking for a warm fat sound and high tape saturation > - budget 500$ max > > from what ive read so far on the list the 600 seems to be a really good > choice, or the cx-3? unfortunately i know nothing about tape decks so im > happy about any kind of advice ... > > thanks for listening and best regards from berlin! > > lilak ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 1 19:54:07 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:54:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <26A6AF64-EE7F-4EC8-8179-365687BFC232@zoominternet.net> References: <26A6AF64-EE7F-4EC8-8179-365687BFC232@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <433ECD3F.2020303@rcn.com> Isaacyoung wrote: > I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good > condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I > hear is chipmunk voices. Do I need a new belt. I would check pinch rollers and arms, then capstan motor and drive. THEN, look at belts. > Any recommendations. Also > the power cord was cut but the seller put a new one on, could this be > the problem? Not likely. -- Ron > The item number is *5811628016 * > *enter it into the eBay search box.* > * > * > *Thanks in advance* > * isaac* From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 1 20:52:04 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:52:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <26A6AF64-EE7F-4EC8-8179-365687BFC232@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: Hi, Isac: I would complain to the guy about his description of it, "Works fine, both channels, in record and playback modes." but you only paid $56 for it. A cut cord??? sounds like it's a stolen unit to me, but maybe not. Anyway, it probably would be worth it to get it fixed at a good service place. See this list: NakUSA service centers: http://www.nakusa.com/master/service.htm List of Service shops and other info: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html?20056 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:43 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I hear is chipmunk voices. Do I need a new belt. Any recommendations. Also the power cord was cut but the seller put a new one on, could this be the problem? The item number is 5811628016 enter it into the eBay search box. Thanks in advance isaac From 3ld at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 1 22:39:51 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:39:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <433EF417.4030700@bellsouth.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 1 22:44:08 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:44:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: References: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <433EF518.1030104@bellsouth.net> Hi David, An extra US$3.11 will have this great CD flying airmail to you in Austrailia (shipping within the US is included in the $10 donation). Be the first one down under to own one--you won't be disappointed! Atlanta Mike David Thompson wrote: > Also please advise shipping cost to Australia. > > David > > On 30/09/2005, at 8:27 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: > >> Hi Michael >> >> how much extra would it cost to ship it to the UK? >> >> Cheers >> >> Michael >> >> >>> >>> From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >>> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >>> >>> Greetings everyone and everywhere, >>> The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by >>> the >> >> >>> Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an >>> earlier >> >> >>> email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the >>> Atlanta >> >> >>> group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part >>> of the >> >> >>> Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, >>> which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). >>> >>> Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's >> >> >>> eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no >>> one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most >>> probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will >>> wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that >>> represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in >> >> >>> some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a >>> whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England >>> weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be >> >> >>> different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, >>> and provide a good workout for your equipment. >>> >>> The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in >>> Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his >>> many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the >>> recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production >>> details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There >>> will be >> >> >>> pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I >>> will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the >>> faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we >>> hope you >> >> >>> like the music). >>> >>> Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for >>> each copy to >>> Kermit Gray >>> Nak Marathon IIIa >>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>> 16371 Lake Point Dr. >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>> >>> Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send >>> this >> >> >>> email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest >>> earlier in >> >> >>> the year (yes, I saved the names). >>> Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. >>> Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 1 20:21:46 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 19:21:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <26A6AF64-EE7F-4EC8-8179-365687BFC232@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <003201c5c6b4$fb68f5e0$2aa787d9@oemcomputer> Hmmm .... if it records and plays back at the same lightening speed that could an advantage, couldn't it?! :o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: 01 October 2005 16:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I hear is chipmunk voices. Do I need a new belt. Any recommendations. Also the power cord was cut but the seller put a new one on, could this be the problem? The item number is 5811628016 enter it into the eBay search box. Thanks in advance isaac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Sat Oct 1 23:44:29 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:44:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <003201c5c6b4$fb68f5e0$2aa787d9@oemcomputer> References: <003201c5c6b4$fb68f5e0$2aa787d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <970C0D7B-ECC6-4E27-B3B9-47979DEC7CC0@zoominternet.net> I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at normal speed. Does it need a new belt? From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sun Oct 2 00:03:10 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:03:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 Message-ID: <9880f59d1e1c49e2a1b46d02606785b8.nakamichi@ispwest.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- You're genius,Nelson! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 10/1/2005 11:21:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 660 Hmmm .... if it records and plays back at the same lightening speed that could an advantage, couldn't it?! :o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: 01 October 2005 16:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I hear is chipmunk voices. Do I need a new belt. Any recommendations. Also the power cord was cut but the seller put a new one on, could this be the problem? The item number is 5811628016 enter it into the eBay search box. Thanks in advance isaac From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 2 08:55:44 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <970C0D7B-ECC6-4E27-B3B9-47979DEC7CC0@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <20051002065544.56809.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sounds like the pinch roller pivots are sticking. Take the door off and watch the pinch rollers. They should engage the capstans as soon as the head block comes up. If there is a delay (like 10 counts on the tape counter) then that's it. While in play you should be able to push the pinch rollers down and they should spring back quickly. Use alcohol (or something stronger) and work it into the pivot joint. Clean out the old gunked up oil and relub with fresh oil. SJ --- Isaacyoung wrote: > I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it > > play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at > normal > speed. Does it need a new belt? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 2 02:26:08 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:26:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <9880f59d1e1c49e2a1b46d02606785b8.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: Hay, that's right, you could spend less time recording and less time listening to it. Why hasn't some one thought of this before... :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Nak 660 You're genius,Nelson! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 10/1/2005 11:21:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 660 Hmmm .... if it records and plays back at the same lightening speed that could an advantage, couldn't it?! :o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: 01 October 2005 16:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I hear is chipmunk voices. Do I need a new belt. Any recommendations. Also the power cord was cut but the seller put a new one on, could this be the problem? The item number is 5811628016 enter it into the eBay search box. Thanks in advance isaac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sun Oct 2 02:37:48 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:37:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIA Message-ID: Wow, can i got a NAK copy of the cassette master?? Disc is nice , but dubbed to cassette would be unreally great!I'M thinking that would involve a bank of real-time NaK cassette duplicating meachines, of which i have heard stories of in the past on Naktalk.One man who pposted on Naktalk bought an entire inventory of duplicating Naks(cannot recall Volume /issue).But actually,I find my little OLD Altec sub/sattelite computer system, when damped with dynamat and modeling clay,is really fantastic at reproducing nice full range sound with my onboard AC97 sound.. Also, i happen to have a Marantz pro cd player/recorder on my home system, which is one of the newer 24bit machines.I assume that the recordings are reproduced digitaly at greater than the 16 bit processing. I would be honered to participate in IIIA!!I was in the great city of ATLANTA IN 2002.GREAT CITY! A LOT OF fun!!Congrats to the Atlanta group!! -- I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from eBay. It is in good condition but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast and all I hear is chipmunk voices From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 2 05:18:09 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 In-Reply-To: <9880f59d1e1c49e2a1b46d02606785b8.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20051002031810.29881.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've always wanted to jump the speed on one of my Naks to say 3 3/4.. well you dont get much..but for the little time..there is alot of oommpph!! I did a crazy experiment not too long ago. I hooked up my 680ZX and Ampex ATR700 reel to reel. I played back one of my tapes at 15/16 ips (only the 680ZX allows that). Recorded the signal at 7 1/2 ips on my Ampex. Then I played back the recorded tape at 15 ips. But the result was disappointing! There was no dynamic,the music was really lazy and lacklustre. But at higher speed, the greatest danger is wearing down of the heads.. Bala --- "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: > You're genius,Nelson! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson > [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 10/1/2005 11:21:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 660 > > Hmmm .... if it records and plays back at the same > lightening speed that could an > advantage, couldn't it?! :o) > Gra' -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > Isaacyoung > Sent: 01 October 2005 16:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660 > > I just bought a nakamichi 660 cassette deck from > eBay. It is in good condition > but when I play a cassette it plays it really fast > and all I hear is chipmunk voices. > Do I need a new belt. Any recommendations. Also the > power cord was cut but the seller > put a new one on, could this be the problem? > The item number is 5811628016 enter it into the eBay > search box. > Thanks in advance isaac > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Sun Oct 2 11:03:57 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:03:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added Message-ID: I have added users manuals for BX-2 and BX-300. Thanks to Shaun Montgomery. Some people seems to have trouble contacting the ftp, if so drop me a mail with the files. I think it has to do with your firewall settings and IE. If so, you have to set IE for passive FTP, and login anonymously. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.naks.mine.nu downloads etc ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From ktl at bornet.net Sun Oct 2 20:08:43 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:08:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] More manuals added Message-ID: I have added Owners and the Service manual for Cassettedeck 1. Thanks to SD for the contribution. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Oct 2 22:34:07 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:34:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not sold Message-ID: <004601c5c790$a4535570$fb9cd255@homeduron1300> Did anyone see the Dragon on eBay UK recently which was on offer at a start of £350 and got zero bids? I wonder what put people off? Any ideas? Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5811106858&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I'm not sure if it will work with a dead auction but you never know. David Edwards From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 2 23:51:49 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:51:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051002065544.56809.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe some of you have run into this and can help... I just got a ZX-7 The door was sticking because the whole front plate had been put on incorrectly or jarred? The transport wouldn't stay in play because the cam gear would not completely engage and the shaft was dirty and needed lubrication. The head assembly and transport in general were really dirty, like no one had cleaned it in a very long time and it took quite a bit of work to get it clean. The belts look a bit worn but are working. It looked like who ever had owned it never used the calibration controls...The record azimuth adjustment knob would hardly turn and the covers for the three sets of level and bias all were literally glued on from non use, I wondered if maybe the owner didn't know there were knobs under those covers? And the small knobs themselves were also extremely hard to even turn. So I cleaned all the pots and the cam control for the azimuth ribbon and they all work smoothly now. I even had a hard time getting the screws off the bottom plate they were so tight. Sometimes, when the button is depressed to start the azimuth adjustment, or maybe by the time the button for the levels control is pushed, the 400hz tone will start and then it just sort of sputters and dies out, decreasing in pitch, and then there is no adjustment possible. Usually there isn't any 400hz tone at all from the very start of the adjustments. When the levels button is pushed after trying to adjust the bias, there is only a short bleep from the levels tone at this point, and as the recording is taking place there is intermittent crackling sound from either channel, even with no adjustments being made. It makes no difference what tape type is trying to be set up. The bias adjustment can be done sometimes but looks to be way out of adjustment (probably because the levels couldn't be adjusted either), and sometime the bias will also act erratic, pegging the meters on either channel, like noise is triggering it. Playback of tapes is fine in both channels with or without either Dolby B or C, clean with no noise. When making a recording, input source can be adjusted and sounds fine, but the tape monitor while recording also has intermittent crackling noise and is intermittent off and on. I was wondering if any one has run into the oscillator problems, or maybe it's more then that... could it be capicators breaking down, and maybe some transistors being affected as well in the tone generator section? Or is there no way to tell from what I said. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 660 I sounds like the pinch roller pivots are sticking. Take the door off and watch the pinch rollers. They should engage the capstans as soon as the head block comes up. If there is a delay (like 10 counts on the tape counter) then that's it. While in play you should be able to push the pinch rollers down and they should spring back quickly. Use alcohol (or something stronger) and work it into the pivot joint. Clean out the old gunked up oil and relub with fresh oil. SJ --- Isaacyoung wrote: > I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it > > play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at > normal > speed. Does it need a new belt? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kh1 at khherrmann.de Mon Oct 3 00:42:02 2005 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:42:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050923154616.50976.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050923145338.25292.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050923154616.50976.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051003004202.55f7a5e5.kh1@khherrmann.de> Hi, On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt > anyway should be checked so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and have a peek at the cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I describe what I see and hope somebody can narrow things down. I immediately found the motor and belt driving a wheel which drives the big CAM wheel. On hitting play the little motor starts up, the rubber starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never reaches it's final, motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in that position. Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting stop, CAM wheel moves back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't locate the exact origin, it does sound like something turning on an axis for a short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems ok to me. Rubber shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the intermediate wheel, which is driven by the belt, as the control mechanism is responding immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to the correct position. With Power OFF I can move everything feely. From Stop to Start, at first there is little resistance, then a little wheel deep down starts sliding sideways and the resistance to turning the wheel gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. It might be the wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel moves, getting to difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting enough force anymore (my gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt ok). I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but got stopped right at the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. I've no special plier for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find any useful information for lubrication points (says deck is lubrication free unless for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put some oil spray on the CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM wheel? Other places which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do I get to them (once I got rid of the washers)? Thanks for any hints, K.-H. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 3 01:14:31 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:14:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB33@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Yep I sure have, it's the dreaded ORANGE CAP DISEASE!!!! I have had this problem of crackling and all sorts of problems. The bulk of the problems lie in the Dolby board because it's riddled with orange caps. My suggestion is to replace all orange caps in the unit, I would say that this will get rid of the problems you are having. Let me know how you go with this. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, 3 October 2005 7:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Maybe some of you have run into this and can help... I just got a ZX-7 The door was sticking because the whole front plate had been put on incorrectly or jarred? The transport wouldn't stay in play because the cam gear would not completely engage and the shaft was dirty and needed lubrication. The head assembly and transport in general were really dirty, like no one had cleaned it in a very long time and it took quite a bit of work to get it clean. The belts look a bit worn but are working. It looked like who ever had owned it never used the calibration controls...The record azimuth adjustment knob would hardly turn and the covers for the three sets of level and bias all were literally glued on from non use, I wondered if maybe the owner didn't know there were knobs under those covers? And the small knobs themselves were also extremely hard to even turn. So I cleaned all the pots and the cam control for the azimuth ribbon and they all work smoothly now. I even had a hard time getting the screws off the bottom plate they were so tight. Sometimes, when the button is depressed to start the azimuth adjustment, or maybe by the time the button for the levels control is pushed, the 400hz tone will start and then it just sort of sputters and dies out, decreasing in pitch, and then there is no adjustment possible. Usually there isn't any 400hz tone at all from the very start of the adjustments. When the levels button is pushed after trying to adjust the bias, there is only a short bleep from the levels tone at this point, and as the recording is taking place there is intermittent crackling sound from either channel, even with no adjustments being made. It makes no difference what tape type is trying to be set up. The bias adjustment can be done sometimes but looks to be way out of adjustment (probably because the levels couldn't be adjusted either), and sometime the bias will also act erratic, pegging the meters on either channel, like noise is triggering it. Playback of tapes is fine in both channels with or without either Dolby B or C, clean with no noise. When making a recording, input source can be adjusted and sounds fine, but the tape monitor while recording also has intermittent crackling noise and is intermittent off and on. I was wondering if any one has run into the oscillator problems, or maybe it's more then that... could it be capicators breaking down, and maybe some transistors being affected as well in the tone generator section? Or is there no way to tell from what I said. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 660 I sounds like the pinch roller pivots are sticking. Take the door off and watch the pinch rollers. They should engage the capstans as soon as the head block comes up. If there is a delay (like 10 counts on the tape counter) then that's it. While in play you should be able to push the pinch rollers down and they should spring back quickly. Use alcohol (or something stronger) and work it into the pivot joint. Clean out the old gunked up oil and relub with fresh oil. SJ --- Isaacyoung wrote: > I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it > > play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at normal > speed. Does it need a new belt? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 3 03:47:58 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:47:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB33@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: Tom: Thanks... I'm still noticing some noise when I turn the output pot, cal pots, etc., I hadn't taken everything apart to avoid having to disconnect all the plugs, wire strainers, etc, and had just reached in the best I could and tried to shoot each pot full of "Deoxit" cleaner then rotated them a lot, but it was pretty hard to get at them. But now I did just take everything apart to do the caps. The panel is off, the Dolby PCP is hinged up where I can get at things and I've disassembled the sub assemblies that have the pots and other switches. Question: I'm sort of out of date on things (X-Nam ET) What should I use to clean all the potentiometers and switches, regular contact cleaner?.. or something fancier like this "Deoxit" stuff (comes in itty-bitty sprays and is pretty $$). Should I just spray the heck out of them and work them around, guess I'm concerned about trying to find replacements for anything custom/Nak/unusual. Once I get the caps replaced, and any other defective things I find, I'll have to take it to someone with the equipment to recalibrate it, as I don't really have any equipment except for a digital multimeter. I'm not trying to get into this professionally, just having fun. :~) Gads, the Japanese electronics are like their cars, really beautifully done. Amazing stuff! Doane -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:15 PM To: 'rob at rhoag.com'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Yep I sure have, it's the dreaded ORANGE CAP DISEASE!!!! I have had this problem of crackling and all sorts of problems. The bulk of the problems lie in the Dolby board because it's riddled with orange caps. My suggestion is to replace all orange caps in the unit, I would say that this will get rid of the problems you are having. Let me know how you go with this. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, 3 October 2005 7:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Maybe some of you have run into this and can help... I just got a ZX-7 The door was sticking because the whole front plate had been put on incorrectly or jarred? The transport wouldn't stay in play because the cam gear would not completely engage and the shaft was dirty and needed lubrication. The head assembly and transport in general were really dirty, like no one had cleaned it in a very long time and it took quite a bit of work to get it clean. The belts look a bit worn but are working. It looked like who ever had owned it never used the calibration controls...The record azimuth adjustment knob would hardly turn and the covers for the three sets of level and bias all were literally glued on from non use, I wondered if maybe the owner didn't know there were knobs under those covers? And the small knobs themselves were also extremely hard to even turn. So I cleaned all the pots and the cam control for the azimuth ribbon and they all work smoothly now. I even had a hard time getting the screws off the bottom plate they were so tight. Sometimes, when the button is depressed to start the azimuth adjustment, or maybe by the time the button for the levels control is pushed, the 400hz tone will start and then it just sort of sputters and dies out, decreasing in pitch, and then there is no adjustment possible. Usually there isn't any 400hz tone at all from the very start of the adjustments. When the levels button is pushed after trying to adjust the bias, there is only a short bleep from the levels tone at this point, and as the recording is taking place there is intermittent crackling sound from either channel, even with no adjustments being made. It makes no difference what tape type is trying to be set up. The bias adjustment can be done sometimes but looks to be way out of adjustment (probably because the levels couldn't be adjusted either), and sometime the bias will also act erratic, pegging the meters on either channel, like noise is triggering it. Playback of tapes is fine in both channels with or without either Dolby B or C, clean with no noise. When making a recording, input source can be adjusted and sounds fine, but the tape monitor while recording also has intermittent crackling noise and is intermittent off and on. I was wondering if any one has run into the oscillator problems, or maybe it's more then that... could it be capicators breaking down, and maybe some transistors being affected as well in the tone generator section? Or is there no way to tell from what I said. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 660 I sounds like the pinch roller pivots are sticking. Take the door off and watch the pinch rollers. They should engage the capstans as soon as the head block comes up. If there is a delay (like 10 counts on the tape counter) then that's it. While in play you should be able to push the pinch rollers down and they should spring back quickly. Use alcohol (or something stronger) and work it into the pivot joint. Clean out the old gunked up oil and relub with fresh oil. SJ --- Isaacyoung wrote: > I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it > > play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at normal > speed. Does it need a new belt? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 3 04:39:24 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:39:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not sold Message-ID: Hi David! Hi reject Paypal payment, want to ship only in UK, NO personal messages...etc...maybe these statements, reject potential buyers. Also don't wrote if works or not...! it's something hidden, he also want potential buyers that will be NOT newer...reliable ones...! Who knows...bad luck! ALEX! >From: "David Edwards" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not sold >Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:34:07 +0100 > >Did anyone see the Dragon on eBay UK recently which was on offer at a start >of �350 and got zero bids? >I wonder what put people off? Any ideas? >Here is the link: >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5811106858&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > >I'm not sure if it will work with a dead auction but you never know. > >David Edwards > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 09:27:59 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051003072759.53597.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doane, For my servicing of pots and switches that conduct the audio signal, I dust it using compressed air and then a blast of Pro-Gold 5% spray. For the electrical switches, I use an Australian switch cleaner- I can't rememeber the brand, but it doesn't leave a residue. Let me get the name for you. For all audio connectors, I use Pro-Gold 95% liquid. It helps to keep the conductors wet and conducting well and slows down corrosion. The key for pots and switches is to blow is well, while turning it to expel all loose dirt and grit. Otherwise, directly spraying in will cause the switch cleaner and residual dirt to form some wet gunk. Now that's hard to remove! Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Tom: Thanks... I'm still noticing some noise when I turn the output pot, cal pots, etc., I hadn't taken everything apart to avoid having to disconnect all the plugs, wire strainers, etc, and had just reached in the best I could and tried to shoot each pot full of "Deoxit" cleaner then rotated them a lot, but it was pretty hard to get at them. But now I did just take everything apart to do the caps. The panel is off, the Dolby PCP is hinged up where I can get at things and I've disassembled the sub assemblies that have the pots and other switches. Question: I'm sort of out of date on things (X-Nam ET) What should I use to clean all the potentiometers and switches, regular contact cleaner?.. or something fancier like this "Deoxit" stuff (comes in itty-bitty sprays and is pretty $$). Should I just spray the heck out of them and work them around, guess I'm concerned about trying to find replacements for anything custom/Nak/unusual. Once I get the caps replaced, and any other defective things I find, I'll have to take it to someone with the equipment to recalibrate it, as I don't really have any equipment except for a digital multimeter. I'm not trying to get into this professionally, just having fun. :~) Gads, the Japanese electronics are like their cars, really beautifully done. Amazing stuff! Doane -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:15 PM To: 'rob at rhoag.com'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Yep I sure have, it's the dreaded ORANGE CAP DISEASE!!!! I have had this problem of crackling and all sorts of problems. The bulk of the problems lie in the Dolby board because it's riddled with orange caps. My suggestion is to replace all orange caps in the unit, I would say that this will get rid of the problems you are having. Let me know how you go with this. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, 3 October 2005 7:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Maybe some of you have run into this and can help... I just got a ZX-7 The door was sticking because the whole front plate had been put on incorrectly or jarred? The transport wouldn't stay in play because the cam gear would not completely engage and the shaft was dirty and needed lubrication. The head assembly and transport in general were really dirty, like no one had cleaned it in a very long time and it took quite a bit of work to get it clean. The belts look a bit worn but are working. It looked like who ever had owned it never used the calibration controls...The record azimuth adjustment knob would hardly turn and the covers for the three sets of level and bias all were literally glued on from non use, I wondered if maybe the owner didn't know there were knobs under those covers? And the small knobs themselves were also extremely hard to even turn. So I cleaned all the pots and the cam control for the azimuth ribbon and they all work smoothly now. I even had a hard time getting the screws off the bottom plate they were so tight. Sometimes, when the button is depressed to start the azimuth adjustment, or maybe by the time the button for the levels control is pushed, the 400hz tone will start and then it just sort of sputters and dies out, decreasing in pitch, and then there is no adjustment possible. Usually there isn't any 400hz tone at all from the very start of the adjustments. When the levels button is pushed after trying to adjust the bias, there is only a short bleep from the levels tone at this point, and as the recording is taking place there is intermittent crackling sound from either channel, even with no adjustments being made. It makes no difference what tape type is trying to be set up. The bias adjustment can be done sometimes but looks to be way out of adjustment (probably because the levels couldn't be adjusted either), and sometime the bias will also act erratic, pegging the meters on either channel, like noise is triggering it. Playback of tapes is fine in both channels with or without either Dolby B or C, clean with no noise. When making a recording, input source can be adjusted and sounds fine, but the tape monitor while recording also has intermittent crackling noise and is intermittent off and on. I was wondering if any one has run into the oscillator problems, or maybe it's more then that... could it be capicators breaking down, and maybe some transistors being affected as well in the tone generator section? Or is there no way to tell from what I said. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 660 I sounds like the pinch roller pivots are sticking. Take the door off and watch the pinch rollers. They should engage the capstans as soon as the head block comes up. If there is a delay (like 10 counts on the tape counter) then that's it. While in play you should be able to push the pinch rollers down and they should spring back quickly. Use alcohol (or something stronger) and work it into the pivot joint. Clean out the old gunked up oil and relub with fresh oil. SJ --- Isaacyoung wrote: > I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it > > play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at normal > speed. Does it need a new belt? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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URL: From Darryl at email.com Mon Oct 3 10:24:17 2005 From: Darryl at email.com (Darryl) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:24:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not sold In-Reply-To: <004601c5c790$a4535570$fb9cd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <200510030824.j938OaPG025414@zxe.naks.com> David Here is something to get you thinking http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=579800897 3 Prepared to drop £150.00 within a very short space of time. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Edwards Sent: 02 October 2005 21:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not sold Did anyone see the Dragon on eBay UK recently which was on offer at a start of £350 and got zero bids? I wonder what put people off? Any ideas? Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5811106858&rd=1&sspagen ame=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I'm not sure if it will work with a dead auction but you never know. David Edwards ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From michael_martorana at lineone.net Mon Oct 3 12:02:23 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <200510021000.j92A0mDQ022039@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <432A93310005EA7A@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi Michael I may have missed some posts but did you ever decide on the cost of shipping it to the UK? Was a decision made as to whether you can pay by PayPal? Kind regards Michael >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:44:08 -0400 >From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <433EF518.1030104 at bellsouth.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi David, >An extra US$3.11 will have this great CD flying airmail to you in >Austrailia (shipping within the US is included in the $10 donation). Be >the first one down under to own one--you won't be disappointed! >Atlanta Mike > > > >David Thompson wrote: > >> Also please advise shipping cost to Australia. >> >> David >> >> On 30/09/2005, at 8:27 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: >> >>> Hi Michael >>> >>> how much extra would it cost to ship it to the UK? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>>> >>>> From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >>>> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >>>> >>>> Greetings everyone and everywhere, >>>> The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by > >>>> the >>> >>> >>>> Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an >>>> earlier >>> >>> >>>> email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the >>>> Atlanta >>> >>> >>>> group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part >>>> of the >>> >>> >>>> Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, >>>> which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). >>>> >>>> Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's >>> >>> >>>> eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no >>>> one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most >>>> probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will >>>> wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that >>>> represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in >>> >>> >>>> some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a >>>> whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England >>>> weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be >>> >>> >>>> different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, >>>> and provide a good workout for your equipment. >>>> >>>> The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in >>>> Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his >>>> many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the >>>> recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production >>>> details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There >>>> will be >>> >>> >>>> pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I >>>> will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the >>>> faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we >>>> hope you >>> >>> >>>> like the music). >>>> >>>> Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for >>>> each copy to >>>> Kermit Gray >>>> Nak Marathon IIIa >>>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>> 16371 Lake Point Dr. >>>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>>> >>>> Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send > >>>> this >>> >>> >>>> email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest >>>> earlier in >>> >>> >>>> the year (yes, I saved the names). >>>> Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. >>>> Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! >>> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 12:46:10 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20051003004202.55f7a5e5.kh1@khherrmann.de> Message-ID: <20051003104610.53291.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Herrmann first point is that the belt never slips if it is correct - so replace it with the new one. Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do the belt replacement to check whether this works, unless the transport mechanism damaged during shipment. RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx was working and suddenly it stopped - there is nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan worth replacing all Kannan PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the plastic gears - not required Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt > anyway should be checked so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and have a peek at the cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I describe what I see and hope somebody can narrow things down. I immediately found the motor and belt driving a wheel which drives the big CAM wheel. On hitting play the little motor starts up, the rubber starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never reaches it's final, motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in that position. Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting stop, CAM wheel moves back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't locate the exact origin, it does sound like something turning on an axis for a short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems ok to me. Rubber shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the intermediate wheel, which is driven by the belt, as the control mechanism is responding immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to the correct position. With Power OFF I can move everything feely. From Stop to Start, at first there is little resistance, then a little wheel deep down starts sliding sideways and the resistance to turning the wheel gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. It might be the wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel moves, getting to difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting enough force anymore (my gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt ok). I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but got stopped right at the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. I've no special plier for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find any useful information for lubrication points (says deck is lubrication free unless for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put some oil spray on the CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM wheel? Other places which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do I get to them (once I got rid of the washers)? Thanks for any hints, K.-H. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 14:57:29 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051003125729.39116.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If they are noisy - just rotate them fast for about 30 -40 times. You will notice great improvement. Nothing else. Some of these chemicals can cause more problems than they solve. hope tis helps in most of your pots? Kannan Doane Hoag wrote: Tom: Thanks... I'm still noticing some noise when I turn the output pot, cal pots, etc., I hadn't taken everything apart to avoid having to disconnect all the plugs, wire strainers, etc, and had just reached in the best I could and tried to shoot each pot full of "Deoxit" cleaner then rotated them a lot, but it was pretty hard to get at them. But now I did just take everything apart to do the caps. The panel is off, the Dolby PCP is hinged up where I can get at things and I've disassembled the sub assemblies that have the pots and other switches. Question: I'm sort of out of date on things (X-Nam ET) What should I use to clean all the potentiometers and switches, regular contact cleaner?.. or something fancier like this "Deoxit" stuff (comes in itty-bitty sprays and is pretty $$). Should I just spray the heck out of them and work them around, guess I'm concerned about trying to find replacements for anything custom/Nak/unusual. Once I get the caps replaced, and any other defective things I find, I'll have to take it to someone with the equipment to recalibrate it, as I don't really have any equipment except for a digital multimeter. I'm not trying to get into this professionally, just having fun. :~) Gads, the Japanese electronics are like their cars, really beautifully done. Amazing stuff! Doane -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:15 PM To: 'rob at rhoag.com'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Yep I sure have, it's the dreaded ORANGE CAP DISEASE!!!! I have had this problem of crackling and all sorts of problems. The bulk of the problems lie in the Dolby board because it's riddled with orange caps. My suggestion is to replace all orange caps in the unit, I would say that this will get rid of the problems you are having. Let me know how you go with this. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, 3 October 2005 7:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Maybe some of you have run into this and can help... I just got a ZX-7 The door was sticking because the whole front plate had been put on incorrectly or jarred? The transport wouldn't stay in play because the cam gear would not completely engage and the shaft was dirty and needed lubrication. The head assembly and transport in general were really dirty, like no one had cleaned it in a very long time and it took quite a bit of work to get it clean. The belts look a bit worn but are working. It looked like who ever had owned it never used the calibration controls...The record azimuth adjustment knob would hardly turn and the covers for the three sets of level and bias all were literally glued on from non use, I wondered if maybe the owner didn't know there were knobs under those covers? And the small knobs themselves were also extremely hard to even turn. So I cleaned all the pots and the cam control for the azimuth ribbon and they all work smoothly now. I even had a hard time getting the screws off the bottom plate they were so tight. Sometimes, when the button is depressed to start the azimuth adjustment, or maybe by the time the button for the levels control is pushed, the 400hz tone will start and then it just sort of sputters and dies out, decreasing in pitch, and then there is no adjustment possible. Usually there isn't any 400hz tone at all from the very start of the adjustments. When the levels button is pushed after trying to adjust the bias, there is only a short bleep from the levels tone at this point, and as the recording is taking place there is intermittent crackling sound from either channel, even with no adjustments being made. It makes no difference what tape type is trying to be set up. The bias adjustment can be done sometimes but looks to be way out of adjustment (probably because the levels couldn't be adjusted either), and sometime the bias will also act erratic, pegging the meters on either channel, like noise is triggering it. Playback of tapes is fine in both channels with or without either Dolby B or C, clean with no noise. When making a recording, input source can be adjusted and sounds fine, but the tape monitor while recording also has intermittent crackling noise and is intermittent off and on. I was wondering if any one has run into the oscillator problems, or maybe it's more then that... could it be capicators breaking down, and maybe some transistors being affected as well in the tone generator section? Or is there no way to tell from what I said. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 660 I sounds like the pinch roller pivots are sticking. Take the door off and watch the pinch rollers. They should engage the capstans as soon as the head block comes up. If there is a delay (like 10 counts on the tape counter) then that's it. While in play you should be able to push the pinch rollers down and they should spring back quickly. Use alcohol (or something stronger) and work it into the pivot joint. Clean out the old gunked up oil and relub with fresh oil. SJ --- Isaacyoung wrote: > I have been playing with the deck and figured out that if I let it > > play for 10 counts (on the tape counter) it starts to play at normal > speed. Does it need a new belt? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 15:15:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20051003104610.53291.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051003131559.76308.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and particles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all > Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting play the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts sliding sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From 3ld at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 3 15:43:48 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:43:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <432A93310005EA7A@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <432A93310005EA7A@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <43413594.1060402@bellsouth.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 3 16:03:00 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: <433C0E1F.5040908@bellsouth.net> References: <433C0E1F.5040908@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <43413A14.4010708@bellsouth.net> Greetings, We've had several requests for a Paypal method of paying for the Nak Marathon IIIa CD. Paypal is the preferred method, actually--fast easy, convenient. Just send Kermit an email at graker at woods-and-waters.com and indicate how many CD's you would like and he will send you a Paypal invoice. Shipping domestically is free (included in the $10 donation). For Australia, US$3.11 will be added (for one), and UK, US$2.71. Other country rates upon request. We hope to ship to every continent--anybody living in Antarctica? Atlanta Mike Michael Moore wrote: > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by > the Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an > earlier email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by > the Atlanta group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group > as part of the Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on > Nak equipment, which may be done in the future if sufficient interest > is expressed). > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will > be pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or > I will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see > the faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we > hope you like the music). > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > each copy to > Kermit Gray > Nak Marathon IIIa > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send > this email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest > earlier in the year (yes, I saved the names). > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 16:32:40 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20051003131559.76308.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051003143241.96795.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nothing personal- this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts and - worked well for me. Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked with it extensively had given advise based on factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large number of rotations in first place -will not cause damage as the wiper is supposed to work in conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with rotating. Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA circuits. D not use hi pressure compresed air So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, and I am giving my advice based on my experience here, I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and particles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all > Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting play the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts sliding sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 16:35:17 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: <43413A14.4010708@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20051003143517.61355.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I am in Singapore, Asia. I will contact Kermit to get this great piece of work as I had earlier expressed. Bala --- Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> wrote: > Greetings, > We've had several requests for a Paypal method of > paying for the Nak > Marathon IIIa CD. > Paypal is the preferred method, actually--fast easy, > convenient. Just > send Kermit an email at graker at woods-and-waters.com > and indicate how > many CD's you would like and he will send you a > Paypal invoice. Shipping > domestically is free (included in the $10 donation). > For Australia, > US$3.11 will be added (for one), and UK, US$2.71. > Other country rates > upon request. > We hope to ship to every continent--anybody living > in Antarctica? > Atlanta Mike > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon > IIIa offering by > > the Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. > As mentioned in an > > earlier email this year, this is a music sharing > cd put together by > > the Atlanta group, similar to the one done by the > San Francisco group > > as part of the Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live > recordings done on > > Nak equipment, which may be done in the future if > sufficient interest > > is expressed). > > > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and > reflects the group's > > eclectic interests. Some selections will be > familiar, but probably no > > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one > of the items. Most > > probably, you will find some you like, some you > don't, some you will > > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't > this or that > > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to > include songs that in > > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can > be listened to as a > > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a > bit like New England > > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or > three) and it will be > > different. The selections should stretch your > music library a little, > > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > > > The production has been handled by our most > distant (now living in > > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you > all know from his > > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows > recording. All the > > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) > and the production > > details can be discussed with Kermit for those > interested. There will > > be pictures of the group and machinery used on > Kermit's website--he or > > I will post the link shortly for those of you who > would like to see > > the faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE > were pretty, but we > > hope you like the music). > > > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send > a $10 donation for > > each copy to > > Kermit Gray > > Nak Marathon IIIa > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an > interest. I'll send > > this email directly also to those of you who > expressed an interest > > earlier in the year (yes, I saved the names). > > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 3 17:39:15 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:39:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20051003143241.96795.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan & Bala: Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies." I now have disassembled the deck to replace the orange caps and clean the pots, switches, etc. I was asking about how to go about cleaning the pots, and what would be the best product to use... should I flood them with contact cleaner and rotate them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use to help protect them? While I have the front panel disassembled, the small, button shaped switches that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar with that design, should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or might they be some sort of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in play... the cam seemed to be the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but the small drive belt from its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some WD40 in that nylon cam shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now been operating fine with no problem, so I am guessing that it was just grime/grudge (?) in those sleeve bearings? Should I now put a drop of light oil on these bearings as well? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Nothing personal- this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts and - worked well for me. Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked with it extensively had given advise based on factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large number of rotations in first place -will not cause damage as the wiper is supposed to work in conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with rotating. Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA circuits. D not use hi pressure compresed air So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, and I am giving my advice based on my experience here, I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all > Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting p! lay the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts slidi! ng sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > ! which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 3 17:42:59 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:42:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: <43413A14.4010708@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Mike: PayPal is on the way, this should be very interesting. Great idea, glad I found this forum, with all the help. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last Greetings, We've had several requests for a Paypal method of paying for the Nak Marathon IIIa CD. Paypal is the preferred method, actually--fast easy, convenient. Just send Kermit an email at graker at woods-and-waters.com and indicate how many CD's you would like and he will send you a Paypal invoice. Shipping domestically is free (included in the $10 donation). For Australia, US$3.11 will be added (for one), and UK, US$2.71. Other country rates upon request. We hope to ship to every continent--anybody living in Antarctica? Atlanta Mike Michael Moore wrote: > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by > the Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an > earlier email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by > the Atlanta group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group > as part of the Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on > Nak equipment, which may be done in the future if sufficient interest > is expressed). > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will > be pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or > I will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see > the faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we > hope you like the music). > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > each copy to > Kermit Gray > Nak Marathon IIIa > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send > this email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest > earlier in the year (yes, I saved the names). > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 17:46:53 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20051003143241.96795.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051003154653.46735.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, Most times, pots, switches and relays are tested in humidity and temperature chambers. But I am not sure how manufacturers have tested their products against ingression of dust and dirt combined with moisture. I maybe wrong here, but having designed, seen and experienced several test setups, I don't think all the conditions may have been faithfully replicated. Check out Caig's product here for carbon based systems.. http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.12/category.237/it.I/id.26/.f >From my 1964 Nordmende radio-gram right up to my reel to reels, cassette decks and hi fi all use these. After 7 to 8 years, none of my switches and pots have shown any signs of acidic corrosion. So I can safely recommend them for better enjoyment of our beloved Naks. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Nothing personal- > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts > and - worked well for me. > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked > with it extensively had given advise based on > factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak > Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they > work very reliably. > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft > - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large > number of rotations in first place -will not cause > damage as the wiper is supposed to work in > conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps > Sealed pot - better ! > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the > wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact > is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with > rotating. > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply > to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small > presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution > ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with > multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you > want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA > circuits. > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > and I am giving my advice based on my experience > here, > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts > when it is worn out? > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > I do realise that some silicon based grease is > better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to > reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is > cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment > of > silicone based grease. > > Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the > 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise > that > as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates > dirt > along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to > drag the particles and what-not lodged within and > cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube > and > Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most > of > my equipment have functions very well and have not > needed any replacement of pots and switches, The > key, > I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed > air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out > dirt and particles. The contact spray is important > in > keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and > ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon > track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) > But > their products have had a stellartrack record both > in > my equipment and at my work. > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Hi Herrmann > > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > > correct - so replace it with the new one. > > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - > it > > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So > do > > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > > shipment. > > > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to > remve > > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your > rx > > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including > capstan > > worth replacing all > > Kannan > > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on > the > > plastic gears - not required > > > > > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > > freezing on the shaft. > > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > > belt. First the belt > > > anyway should be checked > > > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > > have a peek at the > > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > > describe what I see and > > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > > wheel which drives the > > big CAM wheel. On hitting play the little motor > > starts up, the rubber > > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > > reaches it's final, > > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > > that position. > > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > > stop, CAM wheel moves > > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > > locate the > > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > > on an axis for a > > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension > seems > > ok to me. Rubber > > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > > intermediate wheel, > > which is driven by the belt, as the control > > mechanism is responding > > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel > to > > the correct > > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > > feely. From Stop to > > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > > little wheel deep > > down starts sliding sideways and the resistance to > > turning the wheel > > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still > ok. > > It might be the > > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > > moves, getting to > > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > > enough force anymore (my > > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, > belt > > ok). > > > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > > got stopped right at > > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > > I've no special plier > > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't > find > > any useful > > information for lubrication points (says deck is > > lubrication free unless > > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > > some oil spray on the > > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > > wheel? Other places > > which get typically stuck and could need oil? How > do > > I get to them (once > > I got rid of the washers)? > > > > > > Thanks for any hints, > > > > K.-H. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 19:25:27 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051003172527.10358.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My suggestion - based on my experience of not using any chemicals as far as Possible and ofcourse many postings in Naktalk by experienced Nak techies. I have ofcourse used Craigs solution on Cam mode motor of Sankyo transport whic had spots where contacts were gone and it did not solve that problem. I had to open the motor and use a tool to physically remove the spots. I will not try to apply any solution on the pots which do not have a problem. So one has to patiently locate problems before attempting to solve. again I would ask you to locate those orange Caps in Tone generator part of the ZX 7 calibration circuit. Verify replacement solves the problem, as I have seen that Orange Cap removal may not solve all problems. Then you go about removing other Orange Caps. This will identify any new problems that you come across because of your replacement elsewhere. WD 40 is supposed to leave a residues which cause problems later on and many times I have seen posts in Naktalk about this so keep WD 40 far away from Nak transports. Do not overdo things ( like injecting solution on all pots or switches ) that may cause problems later on or create new problems in you ZX 7. I may sound like a doomsday predictor but from what I have seen of naks - they work very well on most of the parts. We do not need to bother those working stuff excepting you want to use components for longivity or more reliabilit for next decade. An example would be to replace Orange Caps - but make sure your replacement Cap is of good quality and correct value. Or replace presets with Ceramic sealed ones. Or repalcing better quality Electrolytic ones. You can replace all Orange caps but that would require complete meter/ play/ record calibration. Are you ready for it? I have disassembled nak transport of various models like Dragon , ZX 7/ 9 582, 480 and 670 . My experience sows that there is no need for any lubricant on the plastic parts like gears. You need a drop of oil at the Cam mode plastic wheel shaft ( which is connected by the belt to Cam mode motor) when you get a squeeking noise. I have seen some occasions some grease frozen whic need to be removed at the shaft which is a metal on a plastic housing. Apply lubricant oil on this spot - a drop is enough Coming to square plastic switches with black circular part in the middle - these are membrain switches ( electronic pcb mounting types )and need no special cleaning. If they do not work - you can replace them with new ones. If they are working leave them alone hope my answers help you solve your problems. kannan Doane Hoag wrote: Kannan & Bala: Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies." I now have disassembled the deck to replace the orange caps and clean the pots, switches, etc. I was asking about how to go about cleaning the pots, and what would be the best product to use... should I flood them with contact cleaner and rotate them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use to help protect them? While I have the front panel disassembled, the small, button shaped switches that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar with that design, should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or might they be some sort of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in play... the cam seemed to be the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but the small drive belt from its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some WD40 in that nylon cam shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now been operating fine with no problem, so I am guessing that it was just grime/grudge (?) in those sleeve bearings? Should I now put a drop of light oil on these bearings as well? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Nothing personal- this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts and - worked well for me. Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked with it extensively had given advise based on factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large number of rotations in first place -will not cause damage as the wiper is supposed to work in conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with rotating. Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA circuits. D not use hi pressure compresed air So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, and I am giving my advice based on my experience here, I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all > Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting p! lay the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts slidi! ng sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > ! which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! 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URL: From kh1 at khherrmann.de Mon Oct 3 22:09:24 2005 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:09:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20051003104610.53291.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051003004202.55f7a5e5.kh1@khherrmann.de> <20051003104610.53291.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051003220924.4df3c05a.kh1@khherrmann.de> Hi, On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > first point is that the belt never slips if it is correct - so replace > it with the new one. Ok -- so I try to aquire a set of belts -- first choice will be a repair shop in Munich and if that one fails I'll contact B&W, at least that's only over the small pond. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - > it will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do the belt > replacement to check whether this works, unless the transport > mechanism damaged during shipment. No shipments. First owner, never trusted it to a post office :-) If it goes to a repair shop I'll take it to Munich (if that still exists) and visit a friend there at the same time. > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve it from the > Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx was working and suddenly it > stopped - there is nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan worth replacing > all Kannan Thanks, K.-H. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 19:28:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051003172814.40474.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, Indeed, my advice were applicable to your situation. Get a can of Caig ProGold, and a can of compressed air. In no time the pots will be smooth and clean. These are for signal pots, switches and connectors. For normal on off and tape mode switches etc, I would use a normal contact cleaner. I use a pran called Mr McKenic. Its non-residual and has done no damage to any plastic or carbon parts. Yes a little oil on those bearings is needed. I use Cramolin on them. It's pretty good and lasts for a while. Everything from my Nakamichis to my McIntosh C28 and MR78 tuner have had this treatments. They've responded very well. Good Luck! Bala --- Doane Hoag wrote: > Kannan & Bala: > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > 400hz Tone dies." I now > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > caps and clean the pots, > switches, etc. > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > pots, and what would be the > best product to use... should I flood them with > contact cleaner and rotate > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use > to help protect them? > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > small, button shaped switches > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar > with that design, > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or > might they be some sort > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > play... the cam seemed to be > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > the small drive belt from > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > WD40 in that nylon cam > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > been operating fine with > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > grime/grudge (?) in those > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a drop of light > oil on these bearings as > well? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Nothing personal- > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts > and - worked well for > me. > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > problem with nak > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > extensively had given advise > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > Nak Transport - plastic > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft > - they are meant to be > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > first place -will not > cause damage as the wiper is supposed to work in > conditions expected for > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the > wiper causing the > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > scratchy sound. Gets > better with rotating. > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > in switches - by removing > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > pots. Anyway replacing > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > solution ( which I did in > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > an advantageous solution > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > meter , AA circuits. > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > and I am giving my advice > based on my experience here, > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > oil inbetween rubber idler > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > I do realise that some silicon based grease is > better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to > reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is > cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment > of > silicone based grease. > > Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the > 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise > that > as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates > dirt > along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to > drag the particles and what-not lodged within and > cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube > and > Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most > of > my equipment have functions very well and have not > needed any replacement of pots and switches, The > key, > I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed > air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out > dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important > in > keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and > ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon > track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) > But > their products have had a stellartrack record both > in > my equipment and at my work. > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Hi Herrmann > > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > > correct - so replace it with the new one. > > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - > it > > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So > do > > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > > shipment. > > > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to > remve > > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your > rx > > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including > capstan > > worth replacing all > > Kannan > > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on > the > > plastic gears - not required > > > > > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > > freezing on the shaft. > > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > > belt. First the belt > > > anyway should be checked > > > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > > have a peek at the > > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > > describe what I see and > > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > > wheel which drives the > > big CAM wheel. On hitting p! lay the little motor > > starts up, the rubber > > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > > reaches it's final, > > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > > that position. > > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > > stop, CAM wheel moves > > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > > locate the > > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > > on an axis for a > > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension > seems > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Tue Oct 4 00:28:10 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:28:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Message-ID: <4341B07A.6070408@bresnan.net> Is there a pitch control on the MR1? Thank You Bob From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 4 03:46:29 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:46:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon CCD -- first mess(age) Message-ID: <4341DEF5.5020300@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakaphiles, To all who've asked for a PayPal invoice for the CD or a cassette tape, please be patient. I've been having quite a bit of trouble with my dialup ISP for the last week. Logging onto PayPal successfully is especially problematic -- their website is slow to load and is "extra clicky." Not to worry, though. Invoices will be coming. "Normal service has been resumed as soon as possible." -- Basil Fawlty. ALSO here is a ->FREE TECH TIP<- for all of you: DO NOT leave blank CD-R discs in a sunlit window, even if they are in the cake-box. The light, apparently, ruins the discs. I just found that out when I started to record CDs and every blank disc was faulty. Every disc. After the eighth disc I began to suspect a serious problem. Okay, so this was a stupid thing to do and I should have known better. I have to buy more blank CD-Rs, so.... ...and I'm keeping the new discs in a completely-darkened desk drawer. I may even keep them in a darkroom paper safe, and remove them to make recordings only on dark, totally cloud-covered moonless nights. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 4 09:22:06 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control In-Reply-To: <4341B07A.6070408@bresnan.net> References: <4341B07A.6070408@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <13343.212.78.164.66.1128410526.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Yes. Please consult the website: http://www.naks.com/ > Is there a pitch control on the MR1? > > Thank You > > Bob From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Oct 4 12:40:09 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 06:40:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <4341DEF5.5020300@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4341DEF5.5020300@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43425C09.6070208@cox.net> Kermit- Thanks for the >free tech tip<, I find that very interesting. Has anyone else noted this problem before? Do you have any ideas about the mechanism involved in their ruin? It would seem that if long exposure to sunlight could ruin a blank CD-R, it could just as well affect a recorded CD-R. I wonder if it is affecting the data layer, the clear plastic layer, or if it is causing a small amount of warpage in the disc? Tim Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Fellow Nakaphiles, > > To all who've asked for a PayPal invoice for the CD or a cassette > tape, please be patient. I've been having quite a bit of trouble with > my dialup ISP for the last week. Logging onto PayPal successfully is > especially problematic -- their website is slow to load and is "extra > clicky." Not to worry, though. Invoices will be coming. > > "Normal service has been resumed as soon as possible." -- Basil Fawlty. > > ALSO here is a ->FREE TECH TIP<- for all of you: DO NOT leave blank > CD-R discs in a sunlit window, even if they are in the cake-box. The > light, apparently, ruins the discs. > > I just found that out when I started to record CDs and every blank > disc was faulty. Every disc. After the eighth disc I began to suspect > a serious problem. Okay, so this was a stupid thing to do and I should > have known better. I have to buy more blank CD-Rs, so.... > > ...and I'm keeping the new discs in a completely-darkened desk drawer. > I may even keep them in a darkroom paper safe, and remove them to make > recordings only on dark, totally cloud-covered moonless nights. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 14:35:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <43425C09.6070208@cox.net> Message-ID: <20051004123503.15103.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Apart from this sunlight damage, I have seen several of my recorded cds having the foil data layer peeling and flaking off! These were original Sony blanks that were made in Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks though, were unplayable. I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to them. Bala --- Tim Barrett wrote: > Kermit- > > Thanks for the >free tech tip<, I find that very > interesting. Has > anyone else noted this problem before? Do you have > any ideas about the > mechanism involved in their ruin? It would seem > that if long exposure > to sunlight could ruin a blank CD-R, it could just > as well affect a > recorded CD-R. I wonder if it is affecting the data > layer, the clear > plastic layer, or if it is causing a small amount of > warpage in the disc? > > Tim > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Hi Fellow Nakaphiles, > > > > To all who've asked for a PayPal invoice for the > CD or a cassette > > tape, please be patient. I've been having quite a > bit of trouble with > > my dialup ISP for the last week. Logging onto > PayPal successfully is > > especially problematic -- their website is slow to > load and is "extra > > clicky." Not to worry, though. Invoices will be > coming. > > > > "Normal service has been resumed as soon as > possible." -- Basil Fawlty. > > > > ALSO here is a ->FREE TECH TIP<- for all of you: > DO NOT leave blank > > CD-R discs in a sunlit window, even if they are in > the cake-box. The > > light, apparently, ruins the discs. > > > > I just found that out when I started to record CDs > and every blank > > disc was faulty. Every disc. After the eighth disc > I began to suspect > > a serious problem. Okay, so this was a stupid > thing to do and I should > > have known better. I have to buy more blank CD-Rs, > so.... > > > > ...and I'm keeping the new discs in a > completely-darkened desk drawer. > > I may even keep them in a darkroom paper safe, and > remove them to make > > recordings only on dark, totally cloud-covered > moonless nights. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From ti at amb.org Tue Oct 4 14:45:35 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <20051004123503.15103.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051004124535.41F5623B65@smtp.amb.org> Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > Apart from this sunlight damage, I have seen > several of my recorded cds having the foil data layer > peeling and flaking off! > > These were original Sony blanks that were made in > Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the > center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks > though, were unplayable. > > I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to them. Not just in CD-Rs, but even in pressed CDs. Search google for "CD rot" and you'll see plenty of info and discussions. -Ti From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 16:13:00 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <20051004124535.41F5623B65@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20051004141300.45564.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heard of that before, but didn't realize it was so big! Er..Kerm..can we press records of Naktalk IIIa instead? I don;t mind a double LP version cut at 45rpm with photos of our beloved Naks and your wondeful Ampex reel to reel inside.. Bala --- Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > Apart from this sunlight damage, I have seen > > several of my recorded cds having the foil data > layer > > peeling and flaking off! > > > > These were original Sony blanks that were made in > > Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the > > center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks > > though, were unplayable. > > > > I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to > them. > > Not just in CD-Rs, but even in pressed CDs. Search > google for > "CD rot" and you'll see plenty of info and > discussions. > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 4 16:19:27 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:19:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <20051004123503.15103.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala: Sony will give you new ones if you send them to them. That was a problem with early CD designs, I'm surprised you've been having that happen. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight Hi, Apart from this sunlight damage, I have seen several of my recorded cds having the foil data layer peeling and flaking off! These were original Sony blanks that were made in Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks though, were unplayable. I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to them. Bala --- Tim Barrett wrote: > Kermit- > > Thanks for the >free tech tip<, I find that very > interesting. Has > anyone else noted this problem before? Do you have > any ideas about the > mechanism involved in their ruin? It would seem > that if long exposure > to sunlight could ruin a blank CD-R, it could just > as well affect a > recorded CD-R. I wonder if it is affecting the data > layer, the clear > plastic layer, or if it is causing a small amount of > warpage in the disc? > > Tim > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Hi Fellow Nakaphiles, > > > > To all who've asked for a PayPal invoice for the > CD or a cassette > > tape, please be patient. I've been having quite a > bit of trouble with > > my dialup ISP for the last week. Logging onto > PayPal successfully is > > especially problematic -- their website is slow to > load and is "extra > > clicky." Not to worry, though. Invoices will be > coming. > > > > "Normal service has been resumed as soon as > possible." -- Basil Fawlty. > > > > ALSO here is a ->FREE TECH TIP<- for all of you: > DO NOT leave blank > > CD-R discs in a sunlit window, even if they are in > the cake-box. The > > light, apparently, ruins the discs. > > > > I just found that out when I started to record CDs > and every blank > > disc was faulty. Every disc. After the eighth disc > I began to suspect > > a serious problem. Okay, so this was a stupid > thing to do and I should > > have known better. I have to buy more blank CD-Rs, > so.... > > > > ...and I'm keeping the new discs in a > completely-darkened desk drawer. > > I may even keep them in a darkroom paper safe, and > remove them to make > > recordings only on dark, totally cloud-covered > moonless nights. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 4 16:19:26 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:19:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon CCD -- first mess(age) In-Reply-To: <4341DEF5.5020300@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi, Kermit: Looking forward to getting the CD! Also, don't leave your CD music in the car, even if they aren't in the sunlight, unless the climate is really mild where you are and your car doesn't get hot from the sun heating it up while parked? Heat will ruin them too. One solution is just keep disk copies in the car, only takes a minute to make them, and you can keep them in a wallet type storage case to save space and put them under your seat. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 6:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon CCD -- first mess(age) Hi Fellow Nakaphiles, To all who've asked for a PayPal invoice for the CD or a cassette tape, please be patient. I've been having quite a bit of trouble with my dialup ISP for the last week. Logging onto PayPal successfully is especially problematic -- their website is slow to load and is "extra clicky." Not to worry, though. Invoices will be coming. "Normal service has been resumed as soon as possible." -- Basil Fawlty. ALSO here is a ->FREE TECH TIP<- for all of you: DO NOT leave blank CD-R discs in a sunlit window, even if they are in the cake-box. The light, apparently, ruins the discs. I just found that out when I started to record CDs and every blank disc was faulty. Every disc. After the eighth disc I began to suspect a serious problem. Okay, so this was a stupid thing to do and I should have known better. I have to buy more blank CD-Rs, so.... ...and I'm keeping the new discs in a completely-darkened desk drawer. I may even keep them in a darkroom paper safe, and remove them to make recordings only on dark, totally cloud-covered moonless nights. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 16:52:54 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control In-Reply-To: <4341B07A.6070408@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <20051004145255.89968.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, there is, but, just about half of the MR-1's I've come across (107 decks) have bad pitch pots. Luckily when they fail the motor speed controller defaults to the correct speed. Only on a couple decks did I have to pull the pot out of the circuit (just pull the cable). This is a sealed POT and must be replaced, contact cleaner only made it worse. SJ --- Bob Gibson wrote: > Is there a pitch control on the MR1? > > Thank You > > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 16:34:21 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051004143421.45983.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, Its not so much a problem with getting a new cd. Its the data and the intergrity of a product. Imagine how we would feel if our Nak had developed a serious fault and Nak says send it to us and we will do it for free.. Think the first question we would ask is, couldn't you guys spend a little more manhours and get it right? Bala --- Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > Sony will give you new ones if you send them to > them. That was a problem > with early CD designs, I'm surprised you've been > having that happen. > > Doane > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:35 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > > Hi, > > Apart from this sunlight damage, I have seen > several of my recorded cds having the foil data > layer > peeling and flaking off! > > These were original Sony blanks that were made in > Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the > center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks > though, were unplayable. > > I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to > them. > > > Bala > --- Tim Barrett wrote: > > > Kermit- > > > > Thanks for the >free tech tip<, I find that very > > interesting. Has > > anyone else noted this problem before? Do you > have > > any ideas about the > > mechanism involved in their ruin? It would seem > > that if long exposure > > to sunlight could ruin a blank CD-R, it could just > > as well affect a > > recorded CD-R. I wonder if it is affecting the > data > > layer, the clear > > plastic layer, or if it is causing a small amount > of > > warpage in the disc? > > > > Tim > > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > > > Hi Fellow Nakaphiles, > > > > > > To all who've asked for a PayPal invoice for the > > CD or a cassette > > > tape, please be patient. I've been having quite > a > > bit of trouble with > > > my dialup ISP for the last week. Logging onto > > PayPal successfully is > > > especially problematic -- their website is slow > to > > load and is "extra > > > clicky." Not to worry, though. Invoices will be > > coming. > > > > > > "Normal service has been resumed as soon as > > possible." -- Basil Fawlty. > > > > > > ALSO here is a ->FREE TECH TIP<- for all of you: > > DO NOT leave blank > > > CD-R discs in a sunlit window, even if they are > in > > the cake-box. The > > > light, apparently, ruins the discs. > > > > > > I just found that out when I started to record > CDs > > and every blank > > > disc was faulty. Every disc. After the eighth > disc > > I began to suspect > > > a serious problem. Okay, so this was a stupid > > thing to do and I should > > > have known better. I have to buy more blank > CD-Rs, > > so.... > > > > > > ...and I'm keeping the new discs in a > > completely-darkened desk drawer. > > > I may even keep them in a darkroom paper safe, > and > > remove them to make > > > recordings only on dark, totally cloud-covered > > moonless nights. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 4 20:46:39 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:46:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4342CE0F.7070403@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jerry! Thanks for your interest in the Nakathon IIIa project! To make things easier, I've added Order Now buttons to the Atlanta Groups' Nakathon IIIa web page. Just log on to the page, click the appropriate ordering button at the bottom and the wonders of modern technology will take over from there. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html is the web page. Scroll down to the botton where you will see the ordering buttons. Thanks again! jerryjg wrote: > Wow, can i got a NAK copy of the cassette master?? Disc is nice , but > dubbed to cassette would be unreally great!I'M thinking that would > involve a bank of real-time NaK cassette duplicating meachines, of > which i have heard stories of in the past on Naktalk.One man who > pposted on Naktalk bought an entire inventory of duplicating > Naks(cannot recall Volume /issue).But actually,I find my little OLD > Altec sub/sattelite computer system, when damped with dynamat and > modeling clay,is really fantastic at reproducing nice full range sound > with my onboard AC97 sound.. Also, i happen to have a Marantz pro cd > player/recorder on my home system, which is one of the newer 24bit > machines.I assume that the recordings are reproduced digitaly at > greater than the 16 bit processing. I would be honered to participate > in IIIA!!I was in the great city of ATLANTA IN 2002.GREAT CITY! A LOT > OF fun!!Congrats to the Atlanta group!! > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 4 21:01:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:01:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa second mess(age) Message-ID: <4342D171.50704@woods-and-waters.com> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, and those with analog ears. For all of you interested in a copy of the Nakthon IIIa project, I've added "Order Now" buttons to the Nakathon IIIa photo web page on my web site. Click one of the ordering buttons, and you'll be Nak-a-thon-ed in cold blood. I think this will be far easier than having you wait for me to catch up on compiling emails to send you an invoice directly. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html is the web page. Scroll down to the bottom. There you will see the ordering buttons. Thanks! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 4 23:07:07 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:07:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button switches I have the question about: http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I said earlier, these are not acting up, but I thought while I have everything apart, it might be a good idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into them, but I don't want to risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here first. Can someone help? thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Kannan & Bala: Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies." I now have disassembled the deck to replace the orange caps and clean the pots, switches, etc. I was asking about how to go about cleaning the pots, and what would be the best product to use... should I flood them with contact cleaner and rotate them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use to help protect them? While I have the front panel disassembled, the small, button shaped switches that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar with that design, should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or might they be some sort of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in play... the cam seemed to be the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but the small drive belt from its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some WD40 in that nylon cam shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now been operating fine with no problem, so I am guessing that it was just grime/grudge (?) in those sleeve bearings? Should I now put a drop of light oil on these bearings as well? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Nothing personal- this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts and - worked well for me. Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked with it extensively had given advise based on factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large number of rotations in first place -will not cause damage as the wiper is supposed to work in conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with rotating. Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA circuits. D not use hi pressure compresed air So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, and I am giving my advice based on my experience here, I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all > Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting p! lay the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts slidi! ng sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > ! which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! 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For all of you interested in a copy of the Nakthon IIIa project, I've added "Order Now" buttons to the Nakathon IIIa photo web page on my web site. Click one of the ordering buttons, and you'll be Nak-a-thon-ed in cold blood. I think this will be far easier than having you wait for me to catch up on compiling emails to send you an invoice directly. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html is the web page. Scroll down to the bottom. There you will see the ordering buttons. Thanks! N-Joy! Hey Kermit, For those of us who already emailed, would you prefer to have us use the "Order Now" option instead of waiting for the PayPal invoice? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 09:26:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051005072658.46733.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, All my equipment which had been sitting pretty for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it deserves-after all even people like Motorola and McIntosh use them in their products. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button switches I have the question about: http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I said earlier, these are not acting up, but I thought while I have everything apart, it might be a good idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into them, but I don't want to risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here first. Can someone help? thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Kannan & Bala: Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies." I now have disassembled the deck to replace the orange caps and clean the pots, switches, etc. I was asking about how to go about cleaning the pots, and what would be the best product to use... should I flood them with contact cleaner and rotate them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use to help protect them? While I have the front panel disassembled, the small, button shaped switches that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar with that design, should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or might they be some sort of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in play... the cam seemed to be the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but the small drive belt from its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some WD40 in that nylon cam shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now been operating fine with no problem, so I am guessing that it was just grime/grudge (?) in those sleeve bearings? Should I now put a drop of light oil on these bearings as well? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Nothing personal- this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts and - worked well for me. Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked with it extensively had given advise based on factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large number of rotations in first place -will not cause damage as the wiper is supposed to work in conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with rotating. Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA circuits. D not use hi pressure compresed air So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, and I am giving my advice based on my experience here, I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all > Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting p! lay the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts slidi! ng sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok. > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > ! which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 15:28:12 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051005072658.46733.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051005132812.31076.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their sealed membrane switches ? kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Doane, All my equipment which had been sitting pretty for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it deserves-after all even people like Motorola and McIntosh use them in their products. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button switches I have the question about: http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I said earlier, these are not acting up, but I thought while I have everything apart, it might be a good idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into them, but I don't want to risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here first. Can someone help? thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Kannan & Bala: Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies." I now have disassembled the deck to replace the orange caps an! d clean the pots, switches, etc. I was asking about how to go about cleaning the pots, and what would be the best product to use... should I flood them with contact cleaner and rotate them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use to help protect them? While I have the front panel disassembled, the small, button shaped switches that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar with that design, should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or might they be some sort of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in play... the cam seemed to be the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but the small drive belt from its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some WD40 in that nylon cam shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now been operating fine with no problem, so I am guessing that it was just grime/grudge (?) in those sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of light oil on these bearings as well? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Nothing personal- this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts and - worked well for me. Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the problem with nak mechanisms -people who have worked with it extensively had given advise based on factual experiences. This applies to Old Nak Transport - plastic gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft - they are meant to be rotated , tested for large number of rotations in first place -will not cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in conditions expected for years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the wiper causing the scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for scratchy sound. Gets better with rotating. Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts in switches - by removing oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based pots. Anyway replacing small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good solution ( which I did in my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as an advantageous solution when you want it for calibration or adjustment for meter , AA circuits. D not use hi pressure compresed air So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, and I am giving my advice based on my experience here, I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating oil inbetween rubber idler and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, I do realise that some silicon based grease is better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment of silicone based grease. Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise that as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates dirt along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to drag the particles and what-not lodged within and cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube and Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most of my equipment have functions very well and have not needed any replacement of pots and switches, The key, I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important in keeping the wear rate of the ! carbon track low and ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) But their products have had a stellartrack record both in my equipment and at my work. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Herrmann > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > correct - so replace it with the new one. > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - it > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So do > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > shipment. > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to remve > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your rx > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > B&W - UK as a full set of 3 belts including capstan > worth replacing all> Kannan > PS :do not try to lubricate or spray anything on the > plastic gears - not required > > > > Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block > freezing on the shaft. > > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear > belt. First the belt > > anyway should be checked > > so finally I got some time to open the RX505 and > have a peek at the > cam-belt. Result: Inconclusive (for me), so I > describe what I see and > hope somebody can narrow things down. > > I immediately found the motor and belt driving a > wheel which drives the > big CAM wheel. On hitting p! lay the little motor > starts up, the rubber > starts slipping and right now the CAM wheel never > reaches it's final, > motor is not stopping. Tape is already playing in > that position. > Occasinally final position is reached. On hitting > stop, CAM wheel moves > back to stop position with a short squeek. I can't > locate the > exact origin, it does sound like something turning > on an axis for a > short moment. Now I tested the belt -- tension seems > ok to me. Rubber > shows no damage. With Power on I can't move the > intermediate wheel, > which is driven by the belt, as the control > mechanism is responding > immediately and tries to bring back the CAM wheel to > the correct > position. With Power OFF I can move everything > feely. From Stop to > Start, at first there is little resistance, then a > little wheel deep > down starts slidi! ng sideways and the resistance to > turning the wheel > gets stronger, but I can't tell if this is still ok.! > It might be the > wheel, or more probably something the CAM Wheel > moves, getting to > difficult to move OR the belt not transmitting > enough force anymore (my > gut feeling says it gets too difficult to turn, belt > ok). > > I tried to get to the mechanism from the front but > got stopped right at > the first washer in the Tape turning plastic part. > I've no special plier > for them and a small screwdriver didn't work out. > > I had a look in the service manual, but didn't find > any useful > information for lubrication points (says deck is > lubrication free unless > for replacement parts). Is it a good idea to put > some oil spray on the > CAM wheel/Lever contact? The axis of the big CAM > wheel? Other places > ! which get typically stuck and could need oil? How do > I get to them (once > I got rid of the washers)? > > > Thanks for any hints, > > K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your! account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 15:47:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051005132812.31076.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051005134731.70993.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, I believe we have to use the products as appropriate. I and membrane switches have a love-hate relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, I hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I really wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. Pots and switches in the signal path are our main concern here. Regards Bala Ganesh --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their sealed > membrane switches ? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Doane, > > All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > McIntosh use them in their products. > > Bala > > Doane Hoag wrote: > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button > switches I have the > question about: > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > said earlier, these are not > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > apart, it might be a good > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > them, but I don't want to > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here > first. Can someone help? > > thanks, > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Kannan & Bala: > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > 400hz Tone dies." I now > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > caps an! d clean the pots, > switches, etc. > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > pots, and what would be the > best product to use... should I flood them with > contact cleaner and rotate > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use > to help protect them? > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > small, button shaped switches > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar > with that design, > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or > might they be some sort > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > play... the cam seemed to be > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > the small drive belt from > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > WD40 in that nylon cam > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > been operating fine with > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > grime/grudge (?) in those > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of light > oil on these bearings as > well? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Nothing personal- > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts > and - worked well for > me. > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > problem with nak > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > extensively had given advise > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > Nak Transport - plastic > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft > - they are meant to be > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > first place -will not > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > conditions expected for > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the > wiper causing the > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > scratchy sound. Gets > better with rotating. > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > in switches - by removing > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > pots. Anyway replacing > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > solution ( which I did in > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > an advantageous solution > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > meter , AA circuits. > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > and I am giving my advice > based on my experience here, > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > oil inbetween rubber idler > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > I do realise that some silicon based grease is > better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to > reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is > cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment > of > silicone based grease. > > Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the > 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise > that > as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates > dirt > along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to > drag the particles and what-not lodged within and > cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube > and > Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most > of > my equipment have functions very well and have not > needed any replacement of pots and switches, The > key, > I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed > air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out > dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important > in > keeping the wear rate of the ! carbon track low and > ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon > track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) > But > their products have had a stellartrack record both > in > my equipment and at my work. > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Hi Herrmann > > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > > correct - so replace it with the new one. > > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - > it > > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So > do > > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > > shipment. > > > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to > remve > > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your > rx > > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > > nothing except this cam mode belt. 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Oct 5 15:57:04 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:57:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Switches Message-ID: <002301c5c9b4$addc4f40$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Doane wrote: >Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button switches I have the >question about: >http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I said earlier, these are not >acting up, but I thought while I have everything apart, it might be a good >idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into them, but I don't want to >risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here first. Can someone help? >thanks, >Doane Hey Doane, Nakamichi used these same awitches, or very similar ones, inside the handheld unit for the RM-580 IR remote control. One of my RM-580s was suffering from intermittent poor contact on the play and stop buttons. These are momentary contact switches which unlike pots, make contact in exactly the same spot every time they are pushed. I decided to give Deoxit and Pro-Gold a try, and they did improve the contact consistency dramatically. However, if you aren't having any contact problems, I wouldn't mess with it....its possible you might move some debris into a bad position inside the switch housing, and create a contact problem. I only did it because I had no other option. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 16:30:10 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051005134731.70993.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051005143010.75529.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala this is the problem in generalized recommendations - specifically asked sometimes -in this case ZX 7 switches. It is a an easy replacement if you can spot a switch. These switches can be replaced with new switches if one can locate them among 1000's of such products in Digikey catalogue but not very easy to identify I had infact located these in India where you will find hundreds of electronic spare parts store every where. However I could locate only one store in Santa Clara where you can spend hours rummaging through spare parts like switches , semiconductors , presets and Caps . Since I have been opening and repairing naks almost one a month, i do not make genralized recommendations because I find people do not understand when where to use these products. I find damaged Naks without an easy fix in the process. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, I believe we have to use the products as appropriate. I and membrane switches have a love-hate relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, I hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I really wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. Pots and switches in the signal path are our main concern here. Regards Bala Ganesh --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their sealed > membrane switches ? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Doane, > > All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > McIntosh use them in their products. > > Bala > > Doane Hoag wrote: > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button > switches I have the > question about: > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > said earlier, these are not > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > apart, it might be a good > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > them, but I don't want to > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here > first. Can someone help? > > thanks, > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Kannan & Bala: > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > 400hz Tone dies." I now > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > caps an! d clean the pots, > switches, etc. > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > pots, and what would be the > best product to use... should I flood them with > contact cleaner and rotate > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use > to help protect them? > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > small, button shaped switches > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar > with that design, > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or > might they be some sort > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > play... the cam seemed to be > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > the small drive belt from > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > WD40 in that nylon cam > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > been operating fine with > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > grime/grudge (?) in those > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of light > oil on these bearings as > well? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Nothing personal- > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts > and - worked well for > me. > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > problem with nak > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > extensively had given advise > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > Nak Transport - plastic > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft > - they are meant to be > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > first place -will not > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > conditions expected for > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the > wiper causing the > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > scratchy sound. Gets > better with rotating. > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > in switches - by removing > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > pots. Anyway replacing > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > solution ( which I did in > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > an advantageous solution > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > meter , AA circuits. > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > and I am giving my advice > based on my experience here, > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > oil inbetween rubber idler > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > I do realise that some silicon based grease is > better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to > reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is > cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment > of > silicone based grease. > > Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the > 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise > that > as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates > dirt > along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to > drag the particles and what-not lodged within and > cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube > and > Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most > of > my equipment have functions very well and have not > needed any replacement of pots and switches, The > key, > I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed > air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and blow out > dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important > in > keeping the wear rate of the ! carbon track low and > ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon > track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) > But > their products have had a stellartrack record both > in > my equipment and at my work. > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Hi Herrmann > > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > > correct - so replace it with the new one. > > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - > it > > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So > do > > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > > shipment. > > > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to > remve > > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your > rx > > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > > nothing except this cam mode belt. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 16:54:05 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051005143010.75529.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051005145405.49388.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, Yes it would certainly be difficult trying to identify a particular part in a Digikey or Newark catalogue. However, where I live, electronics parts is one of the main industries and most parts are readily available. I even got a full set of $4XXX series CMOS ics used in the logic side of my 680ZX and 1000ZXL. And yes Sir I have combed the streets of Madras and Bangalore for tubes and transistors, so I do know parts are available :) And yes generalized recommendations might not work. But ultimately, the person opening up the unit on his bench should have an idea of what he is using on his equipment. I too service equipment, pratically one every week. Besides regular TLC on my own equipment, every so often I get equipment of all manner sent in: Reel to reel, cassette decks, turntables, amplifiers, receivers,,lots of things. As such, I have seen a bewildering array of components. So based on this knowledge I can give a recomendation on what are the possible solutions for this particular problem. It may work, or in worst cases, it simply won't cure the problem. However, being used in leading companies and having been endorsed by big industry players, ProGold is a safe product. They are friendly and if in doubt, one could approach them for technical help. If I am recommending some run of the mill XYZ brand solution that is a cure all for all kinds of contact problems, you can caution me for making a generalized recommendation. No. Here, there is a solution for every kind of problem. Time and care has to be taken to select the solution we need, read up on its use and misuse before attempting to use. I serviced my first reel to reel, a Teac X1000R, at the age of 16. I learnt ot through this way, reading, learning and making friends with many old timers, some of whom have passed on. Thankfully, all these knowledge helps me keep my equipment in full working order and in spec. And definitely I would love to learn more, and share what I already know. I have nothing personal in this or any previous mails. Rather then trying to be negative as what CAN'T be done, SHOULD NOT be used, or who is WRONG, let us all be open. It is perhaps this mindset that almost killed the N1000ZXL and 700ZXL. I have three of the former and two of the latter. Looking into them, I realized that it wasn't just obsolete parts that killed them-but the mindset that, this can't be done, or that can't be done. If such is the attitude, I'd rather resign being an engineer and become a become a beggar instead. --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Bala > this is the problem in generalized recommendations - > specifically asked sometimes -in this case ZX 7 > switches. It is a an easy replacement if you can > spot a switch. These switches can be replaced with > new switches if one can locate them among 1000's of > such products in Digikey catalogue but not very easy > to identify > > I had infact located these in India where you will > find hundreds of electronic spare parts store every > where. However I could locate only one store in > Santa Clara where you can spend hours rummaging > through spare parts like switches , semiconductors , > presets and Caps . > > Since I have been opening and repairing naks almost > one a month, i do not make genralized > recommendations because I find people do not > understand when where to use these products. I find > damaged Naks without an easy fix in the process. > > kannan > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > I believe we have to use the products as > appropriate. I and membrane switches have a > love-hate > relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use > and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, > I > hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they > are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor > and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I > really > wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, > they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. > Pots and switches in the signal path are our main > concern here. > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their > sealed > > membrane switches ? > > kannan > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Doane, > > > > All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > > McIntosh use them in their products. > > > > Bala > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport > button > > switches I have the > > question about: > > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > > said earlier, these are not > > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > > apart, it might be a good > > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > > them, but I don't want to > > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask > here > > first. Can someone help? > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > in engaging > > > > > > Kannan & Bala: > > > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > > 400hz Tone dies." I now > > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > > caps an! d clean the pots, > > switches, etc. > > > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > > pots, and what would be the > > best product to use... should I flood them with > > contact cleaner and rotate > > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to > use > > to help protect them? > > > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > > small, button shaped switches > > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not > familiar > > with that design, > > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, > or > > might they be some sort > > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > > play... the cam seemed to be > > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > > the small drive belt from > > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > > WD40 in that nylon cam > > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > > been operating fine with > > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > > grime/grudge (?) in those > > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of > light > > oil on these bearings as > > well? > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > in engaging > > > > > > Nothing personal- > > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank > posts > > and - worked well for > > me. > > > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > > problem with nak > > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > > extensively had given advise > > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > > Nak Transport - plastic > > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' > shaft > > - they are meant to be > > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > > first place -will not > > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > > conditions expected for > > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween > the > > wiper causing the > > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > > scratchy sound. Gets > > better with rotating. > > > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > > in switches - by removing > > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > > pots. Anyway replacing > > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > > solution ( which I did in > > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > > an advantageous solution > > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > > meter , AA circuits. > > > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > > and I am giving my advice > > based on my experience here, > > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > > oil inbetween rubber idler > > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > > Kannan > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 5 17:54:55 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:54:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051005143010.75529.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Very good points made by everyone, thanks for the input! I guess I'll wait on these transport contact switches until they actually have problems (if that even happens), then I will shoot the Deoxit and ProGold in them if I have to... As far as the other pots and such, I'll go ahead and clean them, especially the small calibration controls which look like they never were used over the life of the ZX-7 and the Levels and Bias switches which likewise were apparently not used. It's amazing how some people can buy a beautiful machine like this and totally not use any of its calibration features! I wasn't kidding, all the calibration knobs, including the azimuth control would hardly turn and the small calibration knob covers felt like they were glued on, I doubt they were ever removed. It also looked like the heads had never been cleaned, etc. That's how I got my first ZX-7 back in the 80's... I owned a BX-2 at the time and my sister had bought a ZX-7 for about $1200 (US), because my brother told her it was the best thing out there at the time (it was). But she never used any of the calibration controls for a year, even though I had walked her through it several times.. she just didn't like to mess with it. About a year later, she traded me for "much easier to use" (less intimidating) BX-2 and some cash, and she loved it. :~) So maybe Nakamichi made those calibration covers for a very good reason, less scary for those that just wanted to play music! ;~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Bala this is the problem in generalized recommendations - specifically asked sometimes -in this case ZX 7 switches. It is a an easy replacement if you can spot a switch. These switches can be replaced with new switches if one can locate them among 1000's of such products in Digikey catalogue but not very easy to identify I had infact located these in India where you will find hundreds of electronic spare parts store every where. However I could locate only one store in Santa Clara where you can spend hours rummaging through spare parts like switches , semiconductors , presets and Caps . Since I have been opening and repairing naks almost one a month, i do not make genralized recommendations because I find people do not understand when where to use these products. I find damaged Naks without an easy fix in the process. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, I believe we have to use the products as appropriate. I and membrane switches have a love-hate relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, I hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I really wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. Pots and switches in the signal path are our main concern here. Regards Bala Ganesh --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their sealed > membrane switches ? > kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Doane, > >! All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > McIntosh use them in their products. > > Bala > > Doane Hoag wrote: > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport button > switches I have the > question about: > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > said earlier, these are not > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > apart, it might be a good > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > them, but I don't want to > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask here > first. Can someone help? > > thanks, > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Kannan & Bala: > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > 400hz Tone dies." I now > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > caps an! d clean the pots, > switches, etc. > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > pots, and what would be the > best product to use... should I flood them with > contact cleaner and rotate > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to use > to help protect them? > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > small, button shaped switches > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not familiar > with that design, > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, or> might they be some sort > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > play... the cam seemed to be > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > the small drive belt from > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > WD40 in that nylon cam > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > been operating fine with > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > grime/grudge (?) in those > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of light > oil on these bearings as > well? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > T! o: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > in engaging > > > Nothing personal- > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank posts > and - worked well for > me. > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > problem with nak > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > extensively had given advise > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > Nak Transport - plastic > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' shaft > - they are meant to be > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > first place -will not > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > conditions expected for > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween the >! wiper causing the > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > scratchy sound. Gets > better with rotating. > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > in switches - by removing > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > pots. Anyway replacing > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > solution ( which I did in > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > an advantageous solution > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > meter , AA circuits. > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > and I am giving my advice > based on my experience here, > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > oil inbetween rubber idler > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi,! > > I do realise that some silicon based grease is > better for these nylon type gears. Also, it helps to > reduce wear and abration on the gears. The CR7 is > cured of its stuck problem after a light treatment > of > silicone based grease. > > Also, in the ZX9 post, you had advised to rotate the > 30-40 times. Nothing personal, but I don;t advise > that > as a good method. Firstly, the wiper accumalates > dirt > along the track. Rotating at will cause the wiper to > drag the particles and what-not lodged within and > cause wear on the carbon track. De-oxit, Cai-Lube > and > Pro-gold has served me well for over 8 years, Most > of > my equipment have functions very well and have not > needed any replacement of pots and switches, The > key, > I have to remind, is the vital blast of compressed > air, while rotating the pot to dislodge and bl! ow out > dirt and parti! cles. The contact spray is important > in > keeping the wear rate of the ! carbon track low and > ensuring a good contact between wiper and carbon > track. I don't have shares in the Caig company :) > But > their products have had a stellartrack record both > in > my equipment and at my work. > > Bala > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Hi Herrmann > > first point is that the belt never slips if it is > > correct - so replace it with the new one. > > Second no lubrication on any of the lastic gear - > it > > will not easily move except driving the wheel. So > do > > the belt replacement to check whether this works, > > unless the transport mechanism damaged during > > shipment. > > > > RX 505 transort is one of the difficult one to > remve ! > > it from the Chassis. From my exerience - if your > rx > > was working and suddenly it stopped - there is > > nothing except this cam mode belt. Available with > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 5 20:58:38 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:58:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <20051004141300.45564.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051004141300.45564.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4344225E.3070804@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Aw, but I was thinking about dbx-encoded 8-track cartridges, magnetic wire, and Edison cylinder releases. Who needs a great sounding medium like Nakamichi-recorded Type II cassette, LPs or reel-to-reel? Wait a minute, I do! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I heard of that before, but didn't realize it was so > big! Er..Kerm..can we press records of Naktalk IIIa > instead? I don;t mind a double LP version cut at 45rpm > with photos of our beloved Naks and your wondeful > Ampex reel to reel inside.. > > Bala > > --- Ti Kan wrote: > > >>Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: >> >>> Apart from this sunlight damage, I have seen >>>several of my recorded cds having the foil data >> >>layer >> >>>peeling and flaking off! >>> >>>These were original Sony blanks that were made in >>>Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the >>>center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks >>>though, were unplayable. >>> >>>I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to >> >>them. >> >>Not just in CD-Rs, but even in pressed CDs. Search >>google for >>"CD rot" and you'll see plenty of info and >>discussions. >> >>-Ti -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 5 21:02:50 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:02:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon III In-Reply-To: <001c01c5c92b$118f5530$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <001c01c5c92b$118f5530$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <4344235A.5010207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Robert, rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Kermit wrote: > Hello fellow Nakaphiles, and those with analog ears. > > For all of you interested in a copy of the Nakthon IIIa project, I've > added "Order Now" buttons to the Nakathon IIIa photo web page on my web > site. Click one of the ordering buttons, and you'll be Nak-a-thon-ed in > cold blood. I think this will be far easier than having you wait for me > to catch up on compiling emails to send you an invoice directly. > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html is the web > page. Scroll down to the bottom. There you will see the ordering buttons. > > Thanks! > > N-Joy! > > Hey Kermit, > For those of us who already emailed, would you prefer to have us use the > "Order Now" option instead of waiting for the PayPal invoice? Yes, I'd really appreciate that! With my egregious Internet access, i'd rather spend my time on audio projects than computer-glitch battles. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 6 13:57:55 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <4344225E.3070804@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051006115755.82423.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After hearing TDK-SA tapes on my Nak 600/II..I must fully agree with you. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Aw, but I was thinking about dbx-encoded 8-track > cartridges, magnetic > wire, and Edison cylinder releases. Who needs a > great sounding medium > like Nakamichi-recorded Type II cassette, LPs or > reel-to-reel? Wait a > minute, I do! > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I heard of that before, but didn't realize it was > so > > big! Er..Kerm..can we press records of Naktalk > IIIa > > instead? I don;t mind a double LP version cut at > 45rpm > > with photos of our beloved Naks and your wondeful > > Ampex reel to reel inside.. > > > > Bala > > > > --- Ti Kan wrote: > > > > > >>Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > >> > >>> Apart from this sunlight damage, I have > seen > >>>several of my recorded cds having the foil data > >> > >>layer > >> > >>>peeling and flaking off! > >>> > >>>These were original Sony blanks that were made in > >>>Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the > >>>center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks > >>>though, were unplayable. > >>> > >>>I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to > >> > >>them. > >> > >>Not just in CD-Rs, but even in pressed CDs. > Search > >>google for > >>"CD rot" and you'll see plenty of info and > >>discussions. > >> > >>-Ti > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Oct 6 14:19:05 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:19:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight In-Reply-To: <20051006115755.82423.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051006115755.82423.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43451639.4080502@cox.net> I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he still had it, but it's been long gone. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >After hearing TDK-SA tapes on my Nak 600/II..I must >fully agree with you. > >Bala > >--- "Kermit V. Gray" >wrote: > > > >>Hi Bala, >> >>Aw, but I was thinking about dbx-encoded 8-track >>cartridges, magnetic >>wire, and Edison cylinder releases. Who needs a >>great sounding medium >>like Nakamichi-recorded Type II cassette, LPs or >>reel-to-reel? Wait a >>minute, I do! >> >>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >> >>>I heard of that before, but didn't realize it was >>> >>> >>so >> >> >>>big! Er..Kerm..can we press records of Naktalk >>> >>> >>IIIa >> >> >>>instead? I don;t mind a double LP version cut at >>> >>> >>45rpm >> >> >>>with photos of our beloved Naks and your wondeful >>>Ampex reel to reel inside.. >>> >>>Bala >>> >>>--- Ti Kan wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Apart from this sunlight damage, I have >>>>> >>>>> >>seen >> >> >>>>>several of my recorded cds having the foil data >>>>> >>>>> >>>>layer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>peeling and flaking off! >>>>> >>>>>These were original Sony blanks that were made in >>>>>Japan. The cds still play because the TOC in the >>>>>center was not damaged, yet. The last few tracks >>>>>though, were unplayable. >>>>> >>>>>I am not sure if anyone else had this happen to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>them. >>>> >>>>Not just in CD-Rs, but even in pressed CDs. >>>> >>>> >>Search >> >> >>>>google for >>>>"CD rot" and you'll see plenty of info and >>>>discussions. >>>> >>>>-Ti >>>> >>>> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html >>for pro audio info >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 6 15:37:38 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:37:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CD In-Reply-To: <001c01c5c92b$118f5530$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <001401c5ca7b$1f1d01b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Does anybody have an opinion on the Nakamichi OMS 1E CD player? My local Hi-Fi has one priced at GB£139 . Incidentally, in case anyone is interested the same shop services Nakamichi cassette decks and has done for the past 15 years. The owner has a 700ZXL. He says that he is able to source components that B & W are unable to and therefore able to service a wider range of models than B & W. They are:- MD Audio Visual 167 Barrack Road Christchurch Dorset BH23 2AP UK Telephone +44 (0)1202 437901 Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 6 15:45:47 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:45:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Magnetic wire to Nak Message-ID: <43452A8B.6080405@bellsouth.net> In response to Kermit's idea (joking, of couse) of producing the Nak Marathon IIIa on magnetic wire, I was wondering if anyone in the group had a working wire recorder and had actually used a Nak in transcribing voice/music from wire to tape. Anyone with the idea of using one of these wire recorders for any purpose might enjoy looking at the site http://www.videointerchange.com/wire_recorder1.htm That should convince most sane people not to deal with those snarly beasts. Stick to tape and Naks. Atlanta Mike From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 6 19:03:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:03:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <43451639.4080502@cox.net> Message-ID: <008001c5ca97$f03e14c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded on the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any "collector" value. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 6 19:03:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:03:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Edison Cylinder In-Reply-To: <43452A8B.6080405@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <008101c5ca97$f14aa2c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Nope, but I do have an Edison Cylinder with nothing to play it on!! Any offers? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Michael Moore > Sent: 06 October 2005 14:46 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Magnetic wire to Nak > > > In response to Kermit's idea (joking, of couse) of producing the Nak > Marathon IIIa on magnetic wire, I was wondering if anyone in the group > had a working wire recorder and had actually used a Nak in transcribing > voice/music from wire to tape. > Anyone with the idea of using one of these wire recorders for any > purpose might enjoy looking at the site > http://www.videointerchange.com/wire_recorder1.htm > That should convince most sane people not to deal with those snarly > beasts. Stick to tape and Naks. > Atlanta Mike > > From enoyes at snet.net Fri Oct 7 02:58:38 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:58:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD In-Reply-To: <001401c5ca7b$1f1d01b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001401c5ca7b$1f1d01b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <4345C83E.1050203@snet.net> Hi Shaun, I'd steer clear as the OMS 1 is a very old model from around 1988 or so. Basically a dressed up NEC CD player with a history of having spindle motors that go bad. Aside from that it was not the greatest sounding deck in the world. I've owned several and they are okay... if you're looking to spend maybe $40US. Ed Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Does anybody have an opinion on the Nakamichi OMS 1E CD player? My > local Hi-Fi has one priced at GB£139 . > > Incidentally, in case anyone is interested the same shop services > Nakamichi cassette decks and has done for the past 15 years. The owner > has a 700ZXL. He says that he is able to source components that B & W > are unable to and therefore able to service a wider range of models > than B & W. They are:- > > MD Audio Visual > 167 Barrack Road > Christchurch > Dorset > BH23 2AP > UK > Telephone +44 (0)1202 437901 > > Shaun > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 6 22:45:34 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:45:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Edison Cylinder In-Reply-To: <008101c5ca97$f14aa2c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> References: <008101c5ca97$f14aa2c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43458CEE.6000904@woods-and-waters.com> Actually, I have a 1905 model Edison Standard with the Amberol option. It still works! Really! I do need more cylinders to play on it. Question: will any audio gear made today, like iPods, still work one-hundred years later? Ok, my Nak 600 and Crown D75 amp will. Nothing else though. Nelson wrote: > Nope, but I do have an Edison Cylinder with nothing to play it on!! Any > offers? > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Michael Moore >>Sent: 06 October 2005 14:46 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Magnetic wire to Nak >> >> >>In response to Kermit's idea (joking, of couse) of producing the Nak >>Marathon IIIa on magnetic wire, I was wondering if anyone in the group >>had a working wire recorder and had actually used a Nak in transcribing >>voice/music from wire to tape. >>Anyone with the idea of using one of these wire recorders for any >>purpose might enjoy looking at the site >>http://www.videointerchange.com/wire_recorder1.htm >>That should convince most sane people not to deal with those snarly >>beasts. Stick to tape and Naks. >>Atlanta Mike -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 6 22:46:35 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:46:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <008001c5ca97$f03e14c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> References: <008001c5ca97$f03e14c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43458D2B.30200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint > mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the > capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys > like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded on > the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum > still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't > suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any > "collector" value. Possibly. Which model? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 03:39:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <008001c5ca97$f03e14c0$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051007013924.62717.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, That would put it at around the 60s.. In 98, when I was walking past a metal cycling shop, I spotted three Revox G36s. One of them was being torn out for its metal motors with the tubes smashed and strewn.The local man told me that they were not for sale and he was smashing them anyway for their metal. I came back that night, and hauled one of the remaining two decks and a cover back home. They were sitting on the roadside, in a light drizzle. When I brought it back, I settled it at my door step and rain water was draining out of from all sides. Myself and my dad opened it up, and over the next two days tried to dry up whatever we could, cleaned the pots and everything with cloth. On the second day, we turned her on, and she played as smoothely as ever. Date of manufacture as stamped on the head-block - 14th Februaury 1968. Bala Nelson wrote: That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded on the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any "collector" value. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I came back that night, and hauled one of the remaining two decks and a cover back home. They were sitting on the roadside, in a light drizzle. When I brought it back, I settled it at my door step and rain water was draining out of from all sides. Myself and my dad opened it up, and over the next two days tried to dry up whatever we could, cleaned the pots and everything with cloth. On the second day, we turned her on, and she played as smoothely as ever. Date of manufacture as stamped on the head-block - 14th Februaury 1968. Bala Nelson wrote: That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded on the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any "collector" value. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 10:12:17 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Edison Cylinder In-Reply-To: <43458CEE.6000904@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051007081218.64165.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't forget the Ampex 602. Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Actually, I have a 1905 model Edison Standard with the Amberol option. It still works! Really! I do need more cylinders to play on it. Question: will any audio gear made today, like iPods, still work one-hundred years later? Ok, my Nak 600 and Crown D75 amp will. Nothing else though. Nelson wrote: > Nope, but I do have an Edison Cylinder with nothing to play it on!! Any > offers? > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Michael Moore >>Sent: 06 October 2005 14:46 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Magnetic wire to Nak >> >> >>In response to Kermit's idea (joking, of couse) of producing the Nak >>Marathon IIIa on magnetic wire, I was wondering if anyone in the group >>had a working wire recorder and had actually used a Nak in transcribing >>voice/music from wire to tape. >>Anyone with the idea of using one of these wire recorders for any >>purpose might enjoy looking at the site >>http://www.videointerchange.com/wire_recorder1.htm >>That should convince most sane people not to deal with those snarly >>beasts. 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 7 10:15:13 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:15:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CD In-Reply-To: <4345C83E.1050203@snet.net> Message-ID: <000c01c5cb17$3f5ca650$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for that Ed. I'll give it a miss. I am still chugging along with my Philips CD 104. I like the all metal chassis. I am commissioning my Nak BX-300 this week, together with a Nak Receiver 1, so kinda thought that it was time to get a better CD p[layer. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 07 October 2005 01:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD Hi Shaun, I'd steer clear as the OMS 1 is a very old model from around 1988 or so. Basically a dressed up NEC CD player with a history of having spindle motors that go bad. Aside from that it was not the greatest sounding deck in the world. I've owned several and they are okay... if you're looking to spend maybe $40US. Ed Shaun Montgomery wrote: Does anybody have an opinion on the Nakamichi OMS 1E CD player? My local Hi-Fi has one priced at GB£139 . Incidentally, in case anyone is interested the same shop services Nakamichi cassette decks and has done for the past 15 years. The owner has a 700ZXL. He says that he is able to source components that B & W are unable to and therefore able to service a wider range of models than B & W. They are:- MD Audio Visual 167 Barrack Road Christchurch Dorset BH23 2AP UK Telephone +44 (0)1202 437901 Shaun _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 10:34:39 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 01:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051007083439.29902.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It bespoke of one major feature that no product made today has - reliability. In 1996, I bought my first portable cd player (Discman). To date, I have changed 5 units, and two minidisc portables. My 670ZX, my first ever Nak, has outlived them all. Not to mention it was already 17 years old when my first portable was new. Bala Sándor István wrote: What a nice happy-end story... She was just thirty that time, when you resurrect her... :-)))) István ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices Hi Graham, That would put it at around the 60s.. In 98, when I was walking past a metal cycling shop, I spotted three Revox G36s. One of them was being torn out for its metal motors with the tubes smashed and strewn.The local man told me that they were not for sale and he was smashing them anyway for their metal. I came back that night, and hauled one of the remaining two decks and a cover back home. They were sitting on the roadside, in a light drizzle. When I brought it back, I settled it at my door step and rain water was draining out of from all sides. Myself and my dad opened it up, and over the next two days tried to dry up whatever we could, cleaned the pots and everything with cloth. On the second day, we turned her on, and she played as smoothely as ever. Date of manufacture as stamped on the head-block - 14th Februaury 1968. Bala Nelson wrote: That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded on the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any "collector" value. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 7 15:53:15 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:53:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <20051007083439.29902.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have this foggy memory of my first cassette deck back in the 70's... a Tandberg (?), no Dolby, and I think it laid flat with the door on the top, or maybe it stood vertical (imitating reel to reel decks), I can't remember. At the time I owned a Sony reel to reel play back deck, and a three head three motor big Sony for recording, along with a very nice Dual 1019 turntable, and a great Shure magnetic cartridge. The cassette was just intriguing because of the small size, but the tape hiss and component noise was pretty bad. I think that was about the time people were experimenting with different noise reducing systems, then Dolby and DBX were battling it out. My first Dolby deck was a Teak, also a top loading flat model, pretty good for the day. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices It bespoke of one major feature that no product made today has - reliability. In 1996, I bought my first portable cd player (Discman). To date, I have changed 5 units, and two minidisc portables. My 670ZX, my first ever Nak, has outlived them all. Not to mention it was already 17 years old when my first portable was new. Bala Sándor István wrote: What a nice happy-end story... She was just thirty that time, when you resurrect her... :-)))) István ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices Hi Graham, That would put it at around the 60s.. In 98, when I was walking past a metal cycling shop, I spotted three Revox G36s. One of them was being torn out for its metal motors with the tubes smashed and strewn.The local man told me that they were not for sale and he was smashing them anyway for their metal. I came back that night, and hauled one of the remaining two decks and a cover back home. They were sitting on the roadside, in a light drizzle. When I brought it back, I settled it at my door step and rain water was draining out of from all sides. Myself and my dad opened it up, and over the next two days tried to dry up whatever we could, cleaned the pots and everything with cloth. On the second day, we turned her on, and she played as smoothely as ever. Date of manufacture as stamped on the head-block - 14th Februaury 1968. Bala Nelson wrote: That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded on the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any "collector" value. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 7 16:07:19 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:07:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: <4345C83E.1050203@snet.net> References: <001401c5ca7b$1f1d01b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> <4345C83E.1050203@snet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051007100539.01b90c60@psulias.psu.edu> A little off topic, but not too far I hope. Been interested in picking up a decent reel to reel deck. What brands should I be looking for? Any models that are good intro decks? How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand up to LP? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 7 17:27:13 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:27:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: <20051005145405.49388.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ***************************************************************** Bala: I sent the picture of the Nak transport switches to the CAIG Deoxit/ProGold company to see what they might say, I got an answer the same day, that's unusual for a big company today! Anyway, got a nice answer from a 'Susan,' see below: "Thanks for the image, it's excellent. The question is whether you have access to the interior of the switch. It appears to be sealed, and I can't see the wipers. Our recommendation, if you can get in there, is to carefully apply a short burst of either the DeoxIT DN5 mini-spray(#DN5MS-15) or the DeoxIT 100% spray (#D100S-2), and manually operate the wipers 40-50 times, if that's possible. That should take care of it. Kind regards, Susan CAIG Customer Care Team " ********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Hi Kannan, Yes it would certainly be difficult trying to identify a particular part in a Digikey or Newark catalogue. However, where I live, electronics parts is one of the main industries and most parts are readily available. I even got a full set of $4XXX series CMOS ics used in the logic side of my 680ZX and 1000ZXL. And yes Sir I have combed the streets of Madras and Bangalore for tubes and transistors, so I do know parts are available :) And yes generalized recommendations might not work. But ultimately, the person opening up the unit on his bench should have an idea of what he is using on his equipment. I too service equipment, pratically one every week. Besides regular TLC on my own equipment, every so often I get equipment of all manner sent in: Reel to reel, cassette decks, turntables, amplifiers, receivers,,lots of things. As such, I have seen a bewildering array of components. So based on this knowledge I can give a recomendation on what are the possible solutions for this particular problem. It may work, or in worst cases, it simply won't cure the problem. However, being used in leading companies and having been endorsed by big industry players, ProGold is a safe product. They are friendly and if in doubt, one could approach them for technical help. If I am recommending some run of the mill XYZ brand solution that is a cure all for all kinds of contact problems, you can caution me for making a generalized recommendation. No. Here, there is a solution for every kind of problem. Time and care has to be taken to select the solution we need, read up on its use and misuse before attempting to use. I serviced my first reel to reel, a Teac X1000R, at the age of 16. I learnt ot through this way, reading, learning and making friends with many old timers, some of whom have passed on. Thankfully, all these knowledge helps me keep my equipment in full working order and in spec. And definitely I would love to learn more, and share what I already know. I have nothing personal in this or any previous mails. Rather then trying to be negative as what CAN'T be done, SHOULD NOT be used, or who is WRONG, let us all be open. It is perhaps this mindset that almost killed the N1000ZXL and 700ZXL. I have three of the former and two of the latter. Looking into them, I realized that it wasn't just obsolete parts that killed them-but the mindset that, this can't be done, or that can't be done. If such is the attitude, I'd rather resign being an engineer and become a become a beggar instead. --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Bala > this is the problem in generalized recommendations - > specifically asked sometimes -in this case ZX 7 > switches. It is a an easy replacement if you can > spot a switch. These switches can be replaced with > new switches if one can locate them among 1000's of > such products in Digikey catalogue but not very easy > to identify > > I had infact located these in India where you will > find hundreds of electronic spare parts store every > where. However I could locate only one store in > Santa Clara where you can spend hours rummaging > through spare parts like switches , semiconductors , > presets and Caps . > > Since I have been opening and repairing naks almost > one a month, i do not make genralized > recommendations because I find people do not > understand when where to use these products. I find > damaged Naks without an easy fix in the process. > > kannan > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > I believe we have to use the products as > appropriate. I and membrane switches have a > love-hate > relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use > and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, > I > hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they > are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor > and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I > really > wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, > they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. > Pots and switches in the signal path are our main > concern here. > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their > sealed > > membrane switches ? > > kannan > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Doane, > > > > All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > > McIntosh use them in their products. > > > > Bala > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport > button > > switches I have the > > question about: > > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > > said earlier, these are not > > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > > apart, it might be a good > > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > > them, but I don't want to > > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask > here > > first. Can someone help? > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > in engaging > > > > > > Kannan & Bala: > > > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > > 400hz Tone dies." I now > > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > > caps an! d clean the pots, > > switches, etc. > > > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > > pots, and what would be the > > best product to use... should I flood them with > > contact cleaner and rotate > > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to > use > > to help protect them? > > > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > > small, button shaped switches > > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not > familiar > > with that design, > > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, > or > > might they be some sort > > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > > play... the cam seemed to be > > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > > the small drive belt from > > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > > WD40 in that nylon cam > > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > > been operating fine with > > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > > grime/grudge (?) in those > > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of > light > > oil on these bearings as > > well? > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > in engaging > > > > > > Nothing personal- > > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank > posts > > and - worked well for > > me. > > > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > > problem with nak > > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > > extensively had given advise > > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > > Nak Transport - plastic > > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' > shaft > > - they are meant to be > > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > > first place -will not > > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > > conditions expected for > > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween > the > > wiper causing the > > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > > scratchy sound. Gets > > better with rotating. > > > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > > in switches - by removing > > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > > pots. Anyway replacing > > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > > solution ( which I did in > > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > > an advantageous solution > > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > > meter , AA circuits. > > > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > > and I am giving my advice > > based on my experience here, > > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > > oil inbetween rubber idler > > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > > Kannan > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:22:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:22:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks Message-ID: Hi Derrick! BTW...once among my Tri-tracer 1000/2 I own a Revox 700 (Mine was two track!), and also a Crown series 800 model 882 also two tracks! Only for your sole information...maybe Bala & Kermit...will provide you more heart fully information on such two for home mainly use "State of the Art" R to R decks!PS...2 decades ago..I select ONLY cassettes source and sold the Revox/Crown together with all my collection of 25 reels; 10.5 inch TDK/Scotch & Maxell mixed brands! Be well! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks >Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:07:19 -0400 > >A little off topic, but not too far I hope. >Been interested in picking up a decent reel to reel deck. What brands >should I be looking for? Any models that are good intro decks? > >How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand up to LP? > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:29:44 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:29:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices Message-ID: Hello Doane! For better recalling your "Lost " memory...the FIRST Tandberg cassette machine produced was the TD-300 with 3 motors and Dolby B known at that era Dolby NS! (I acquired for $:5.00 yes Five US dollars), here in Tel Aviv Flea Market the successor of the first one named TD-310...still running well, "Horse work" one! For my collection! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:53:15 -0700 > >I have this foggy memory of my first cassette deck back in the 70's... a >Tandberg (?), no Dolby, and I think it laid flat with the door on the top, >or maybe it stood vertical (imitating reel to reel decks), I can't >remember. >At the time I owned a Sony reel to reel play back deck, and a three head >three motor big Sony for recording, along with a very nice Dual 1019 >turntable, and a great Shure magnetic cartridge. The cassette was just >intriguing because of the small size, but the tape hiss and component noise >was pretty bad. I think that was about the time people were experimenting >with different noise reducing systems, then Dolby and DBX were battling it >out. My first Dolby deck was a Teak, also a top loading flat model, pretty >good for the day. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:35 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices > > >It bespoke of one major feature that no product made today has - >reliability. In 1996, I bought my first portable cd player (Discman). To >date, I have changed 5 units, and two minidisc portables. My 670ZX, my >first >ever Nak, has outlived them all. Not to mention it was already 17 years old >when my first portable was new. > >Bala > >S�ndor Istv�n wrote: >What a nice happy-end story... >She was just thirty that time, when you resurrect her... > >:-)))) > >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:39 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices > > >Hi Graham, > > That would put it at around the 60s.. In 98, when I was >walking past a metal cycling shop, I spotted three Revox G36s. One of them >was being torn out for its metal motors with the tubes smashed and >strewn.The local man told me that they were not for sale and he was >smashing >them anyway for their metal. I came back that night, and hauled one of the >remaining two decks and a cover back home. They were sitting on the >roadside, in a light drizzle. When I brought it back, I settled it at my >door step and rain water was draining out of from all sides. Myself and my >dad opened it up, and over the next two days tried to dry up whatever we >could, cleaned the pots and everything with cloth. On the second day, we >turned her on, and she played as smoothely as ever. Date of manufacture as >stamped on the head-block - 14th Februaury 1968. > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint >mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the >capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys >like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded >on >the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum >still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't >suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any >"collector" value. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Yahoo! for Good >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Yahoo! for Good >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ramvem at hotmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:57:35 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:57:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly Message-ID: Hi Nakkers, I have a question about my LX-3. Occasionally when I load the tape the take up pulley doesn't rotate the tape properly and its slipping inside. There's an associated worrisome noise that comes as the pulley rotates without turning the tape. This happens only with some specific cassettes. Also, sometimes this goes away when I stop, press the cassette with the door still closed (thanks to the lx-3's open slot in the cassette door) it will work. Can you suggest what I need to do to fix this. My suspicion is that some spring is worn out and the pulley is further back than it should be. Thanks!
Best Regards,
-- Ram Vemuri
(ramvem at hotmail.com)
From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 7 20:21:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:21:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <43458D2B.30200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <01b901c5cb6b$dee95520$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Hi Kermit My memory has failed me! It was NOT a Philips tape recorder but it's a Vogue "Studio", with internal amp and speaker. It's VERY heavy and would damage your foot if you dropped it from only an inch above I reckon!! You are right - it was bought in the early 1960s by my Dad. I just took the lid off it and it looks as good now as it did then! Only the cloth cover stuck to the case of it is discoloured in places. It has just one (mono) output, which would have to be fed to an amp with the requisite amp' circuit. I'm guessing it would probably work with my old Eico ST70 ... except (of course) since it's not been switched on for the last 40 years I'm thinking it ought not be switched on now, not without warming up with a Variac!!! Recording levels were monitored using a "magic eye" and making sure the two sides didn't cross over onto each other ... very sophisticated! Ever heard of Vogue? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 06 October 2005 21:47 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint > > mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three > speeds and the > > capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of > it. We boys > > like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed > sounds recorded on > > the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle > one. My Mum > > still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years > and I don't > > suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it > would have any > > "collector" value. > > Possibly. Which model? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 7 20:53:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:53:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051007100539.01b90c60@psulias.psu.edu> References: <001401c5ca7b$1f1d01b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> <4345C83E.1050203@snet.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051007100539.01b90c60@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <4346C43F.5070208@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > A little off topic, but not too far I hope. > Been interested in picking up a decent reel to reel deck. What brands > should I be looking for? Any models that are good intro decks? Intro level: The Big Three of intro deck brands are: Teac (especially 3340, X1000), Akai (especially M7, M8, GX757), and Pioneer (especially RT-2020, RT-2040, RT-1011L; the RT-707 and RT-701 are nice with oddly colored sound -- and quite unreliable). I have, or have had, Akai M8, GX4000D; Pioneer RT-1011L, RT-701; Teac 3340. My most-favorite of the group: Teac 3340. My Pioneer RT-701 was stolen and the thief deserves it. Also consider: Sony (beware battery units, low end units and go for higher models only); Dokorder (reliability may be a problem), Telefunken, Bang & Olufsen, Philips, Telex (only the 2002 and Viking), Wollensak (so-so sound but the later stereo units are decent), Fostex, Pentron (beware and avoid cheapie battery units). I had a Fostex E16 briefly; nice sound, awful build quality. Do consider Uher 5000 and 700 "Royal" series. The 4000 series have a cult following but are widely regarded as ENG units, have strong coloration -- you'll love it or hate it -- and have the WORST ergonomics ever inflicted on a tape deck. Take it from a Uher 4400 Report Stereo and 4000 Report Pilot owner. Excellent level: Tandberg (especially 10-X), Ferrograph (especially Logic-7), Revox (A77, B77, E36, F36, G36, PR99); Tascam (25-2, 32-2); Otari (MX-50, MX-5050, MR70, MR90); Crown (700 or 800), Nakamichi, Magnecorder, Nagra (II and III -- grudgingly). I've had Revox A77, B77, PR99 (Loved 'em!); Magnecorder PT6 stereo conversion, Tascam 25-2 and 80-8, Crown 700, Otari MX5050, and Nagra III (which I disliked intensely). Also, whomever stole my Ferrograph Logic-7, please give it back. Wow Level: Ampex (except home models, which are to be avoided), Studer B67, Studiocraft, MCI, Soundcraftsman, Ampro, Berlant-Concertone, and ATC/Tapecaster, Stellavox. I've had Ampex 602, 350, 354. Loved 'em! Glory Level: Scully 100, 280, 280B; Studer A80 or A800, 3M 79, Telefunken M-3, Ampex ATR-100, MM-1100, MM-1600 or MR-70. I've had Scully 280, 280B (almost impossible to get parts for now) which I nominate for The Best Analog Deck Award (BAD Award), Studer A80. Also had an Ampex MR70, which I will always regret selling. Stupid, stupid, stupid! > How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand up to LP? It varies with the record label. Some are no better than highspeed duped cassettes, but some are wonderful. LOOK FOR BARCLAY-CROCKER tapes, they are near-to-master quality! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From cnovak at click21.com.br Fri Oct 7 21:59:06 2005 From: cnovak at click21.com.br (cnovak at click21.com.br) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:59:06 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa second mess(age) In-Reply-To: <4342D171.50704@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4342D171.50704@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1128715146.4346d38a26221@webmail7.click21.com.br> Hi, I have visited the site indicated (link below) but have not found any PayPal link with South America indication. The closest region was USA, but with no shipping expenses. I am sure for Brazil there will be some shipping expenses. Can you send this CD and Cassette tape to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil? I can pay with PayPal. Thanks! Carlos Novak **************************************************** Citando "Kermit V. Gray" : > Hello fellow Nakaphiles, and those with analog ears. > > For all of you interested in a copy of the Nakthon IIIa project, I've > added "Order Now" buttons to the Nakathon IIIa photo web page on my web > site. Click one of the ordering buttons, and you'll be Nak-a-thon-ed in > cold blood. I think this will be far easier than having you wait for me > to catch up on compiling emails to send you an invoice directly. > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html is the web > page. Scroll down to the bottom. There you will see the ordering buttons. > > Thanks! > > N-Joy! > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Quer 50% de desconto nas ligações DDD à noite e nos finais de semana ?? Plano SIM 21 da Embratel. Inscreva-se grátis. Mais informações acesse www.embratel.com.br. From triesz at actewagl.net.au Fri Oct 7 23:38:38 2005 From: triesz at actewagl.net.au (Ted Riesz) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:38:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051007100539.01b90c60@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <002101c5cb87$7c7e6990$6502a8c0@p4> Derrick Revox is a good brand. I have a PR-99 and am very happy with it. It is a pro model with balanced inputs. I gather the B-77 is a similar but unbalanced domestic model. Think you will find these are hard to beat. Regards Ted Riesz Canberra Australia -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2005 12:07 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks A little off topic, but not too far I hope. Been interested in picking up a decent reel to reel deck. What brands should I be looking for? Any models that are good intro decks? How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand up to LP? ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Sat Oct 8 00:52:00 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:52:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced Message-ID: <4346FC10.90305@bresnan.net> What is the difference between balanced and unbalanced as to Tape deck inputs? From extendtech at hotmail.com Sat Oct 8 01:50:10 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:50:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly Message-ID: Interesting - I just purchased a box of 10 Maxell XLII chrome tapes, and they do the same thing in my 1000zxl. The take up spool is slipping (and making a nice grinding noise) but only periodically. I have never had this problem with other tapes I have used (TDK, Sony, Thats and even lower end Maxells.) Not sure if it is just the tapes or the deck. Certainly looking at the tapes, I can't see a difference... Ken From: Ram Vemuri Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly Sent: Friday, October 7, 2005 9:57 AM Hi Nakkers, I have a question about my LX-3. Occasionally when I load the tape the take up pulley doesn't rotate the tape properly and its slipping inside. There's an associated worrisome noise that comes as the pulley rotates without turning the tape. This happens only with some specific cassettes. Also, sometimes this goes away when I stop, press the cassette with the door still closed (thanks to the lx-3's open slot in the cassette door) it will work. Can you suggest what I need to do to fix this. My suspicion is that some spring is worn out and the pulley is further back than it should be. Thanks! Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Sat Oct 8 03:16:58 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:16:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Connecting MR1 to Reciever (sony 3000ES) Message-ID: <43471E0A.3020607@bresnan.net> I just won a MR1 and I think I jumped before I found out all the connecting scemes. Can I connect the MR1 to my Sony 32000ES with RCA Plugs to the NR/ports on the back? Thank You Bob From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 8 03:53:13 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:53:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight Message-ID: Bala: I agree, but we're talking about the media, not the equipment playing it. Even the best cassettes are not immune to abuse either. If you know what the abuse is that will cause a problem, you avoid that situation. With cassettes, it can also be poor quality off brands, sunlight, heat, and magnetic fields as well. Cassette deck heads that need demagnetizing, like on a friends deck, or a car deck, or even leaving your tapes sitting on top of your amp (if it has a large power transformer), or next to a speaker, can erase your music highs and add hiss to your beautifully Nak recorded cassette. :~( With CDRs and CDRWs, and DVDs(they are more rugged), once you know what to avoid, just like with the cassettes, and if you use high quality disks for your recording, you can expect life spans equal to or much longer then tapes of any type. The early CD's in the 90's had some problems with the edge sealing that caused the foil deterioration on some brands. They fixed that problem years ago, on the better brands, but any of them are still susceptible to the problems of heat, sunlight, storing them incorrectly, bending them when removing them from holders, writing on the top layer with hard pens, scratches, cleaning them in a radial direction, instead of from the center to the edge, using cleaners on them, etc., so you just have to take care of them and take precautions, just like you would a cassette, a reel to reel tape, or a valued vinyl LP. I think that also the public was led to believe that these digital disks are indestructible... they certainly aren't. Doane From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 8 05:10:39 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 trouble Message-ID: <20051008031039.45412.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've just got a pre-serviced BX-2 with gear upgrade off eBay for 86$, but, there seem to be some problems with it. -There are drill-like noises when the rubber "brakes" touch the reel. I don't know if this is normal but it seems to. -When I press either pause, ff, or rew and then play, 1 time on 3, the player just returns to stop position. That's about all I've found so far. Cheers, Antoine __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 8 05:20:50 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <01b901c5cb6b$dee95520$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> References: <01b901c5cb6b$dee95520$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43473B12.4060504@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > My memory has failed me! It was NOT a Philips tape recorder but it's a > Vogue "Studio", with internal amp and speaker. It's VERY heavy and would > damage your foot if you dropped it from only an inch above I reckon!! > > You are right - it was bought in the early 1960s by my Dad. I just took the > lid off it and it looks as good now as it did then! Only the cloth cover > stuck to the case of it is discoloured in places. > > It has just one (mono) output, which would have to be fed to an amp with the > requisite amp' circuit. I'm guessing it would probably work with my old > Eico ST70 ... except (of course) since it's not been switched on for the > last 40 years I'm thinking it ought not be switched on now, not without > warming up with a Variac!!! Recording levels were monitored using a "magic > eye" and making sure the two sides didn't cross over onto each other ... > very sophisticated! > > Ever heard of Vogue? The magazine, yes. The recorder, no. Must be a British thing you never see here in the United States, like Reslo is/was before eBay bridged borders. I like magic eye valves, properly known as electron ray valves, for level indicators. My compressor and one of my preamps use them. They look cool, and give a good sense of both peak and average level magnitudes simultaneously. Did you ever hear the Ferrograph cassette deck? I came ever so close to buying one when the day came that I wanted a Dolby C deck. I debated whether to buy the Revox B710, Nakamichi Dragon, Ferrograph's cassette and the Eumig FL-1000. The Ferro and Eumig lost out because of US availability issues, the Dragon seemed a bit too complex and featured awful ergonomics BUT truly excellent sound and useful automation. In the end, I bought the Revox B710 because I felt its sound that had a bit of an edge on the Drag'n and because I felt the Dragon would be a maintenance hassle in the long term. My B710 has given me very, very little trouble despite heavy professional use (I cannot remember what the issue was, something minor). Still, I'd enjoy having a Dragon, and a Ferrograph, and a Eumig.... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 8 05:20:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 03:20:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Message-ID: Oh my God...40 or 50 times back & forth...at my 62 years age, I will need to go to the Hospital...for return my right arm as was before!!! Je...Je...Je..! Good Luck...Doane! ALEX! Ba >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:27:13 -0700 > >***************************************************************** >Bala: >I sent the picture of the Nak transport switches to the CAIG Deoxit/ProGold >company to see what they might say, I got an answer the same day, that's >unusual for a big company today! Anyway, got a nice answer from a 'Susan,' >see below: > > > >"Thanks for the image, it's excellent. The question is whether you have >access to the interior of the switch. It appears to be sealed, and I can't >see the wipers. > >Our recommendation, if you can get in there, is to carefully apply a short >burst of either the DeoxIT DN5 mini-spray(#DN5MS-15) or the DeoxIT 100% >spray (#D100S-2), and manually operate the wipers 40-50 times, if that's >possible. That should take care of it. > >Kind regards, > >Susan >CAIG Customer Care Team " > > ********************************************************************** > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:54 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies > > >Hi Kannan, > > Yes it would certainly be difficult trying to >identify a particular part in a Digikey or Newark >catalogue. However, where I live, electronics parts is >one of the main industries and most parts are readily >available. I even got a full set of $4XXX series CMOS >ics used in the logic side of my 680ZX and 1000ZXL. >And yes Sir I have combed the streets of Madras and >Bangalore for tubes and transistors, so I do know >parts are available :) > >And yes generalized recommendations might not work. >But ultimately, the person opening up the unit on his >bench should have an idea of what he is using on his >equipment. I too service equipment, pratically one >every week. Besides regular TLC on my own equipment, >every so often I get equipment of all manner sent in: >Reel to reel, cassette decks, turntables, amplifiers, >receivers,,lots of things. As such, I have seen a >bewildering array of components. So based on this >knowledge I can give a recomendation on what are the >possible solutions for this particular problem. It may >work, or in worst cases, it simply won't cure the >problem. However, being used in leading companies and >having been endorsed by big industry players, ProGold >is a safe product. They are friendly and if in doubt, >one could approach them for technical help. > >If I am recommending some run of the mill XYZ brand >solution that is a cure all for all kinds of contact >problems, you can caution me for making a generalized >recommendation. No. Here, there is a solution for >every kind of problem. Time and care has to be taken >to select the solution we need, read up on its use and >misuse before attempting to use. I serviced my first >reel to reel, a Teac X1000R, at the age of 16. I >learnt ot through this way, reading, learning and >making friends with many old timers, some of whom have >passed on. Thankfully, all these knowledge helps me >keep my equipment in full working order and in spec. >And definitely I would love to learn more, and share >what I already know. > >I have nothing personal in this or any previous mails. >Rather then trying to be negative as what CAN'T be >done, SHOULD NOT be used, or who is WRONG, let us all >be open. It is perhaps this mindset that almost killed >the N1000ZXL and 700ZXL. I have three of the former >and two of the latter. Looking into them, I realized >that it wasn't just obsolete parts that killed >them-but the mindset that, this can't be done, or that >can't be done. If such is the attitude, I'd rather >resign being an engineer and become a become a beggar >instead. > > > >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Bala > > this is the problem in generalized recommendations - > > specifically asked sometimes -in this case ZX 7 > > switches. It is a an easy replacement if you can > > spot a switch. These switches can be replaced with > > new switches if one can locate them among 1000's of > > such products in Digikey catalogue but not very easy > > to identify > > > > I had infact located these in India where you will > > find hundreds of electronic spare parts store every > > where. However I could locate only one store in > > Santa Clara where you can spend hours rummaging > > through spare parts like switches , semiconductors , > > presets and Caps . > > > > Since I have been opening and repairing naks almost > > one a month, i do not make genralized > > recommendations because I find people do not > > understand when where to use these products. I find > > damaged Naks without an easy fix in the process. > > > > kannan > > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > > > I believe we have to use the products as > > appropriate. I and membrane switches have a > > love-hate > > relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use > > and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, > > I > > hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they > > are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor > > and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I > > really > > wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, > > they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. > > Pots and switches in the signal path are our main > > concern here. > > > > Regards > > Bala Ganesh > > > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > > wrote: > > > > > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their > > sealed > > > membrane switches ? > > > kannan > > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > Hi Doane, > > > > > > All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > > > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > > > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > > > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > > > McIntosh use them in their products. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport > > button > > > switches I have the > > > question about: > > > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > > > said earlier, these are not > > > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > > > apart, it might be a good > > > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > > > them, but I don't want to > > > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask > > here > > > first. Can someone help? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > > in engaging > > > > > > > > > Kannan & Bala: > > > > > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > > > 400hz Tone dies." I now > > > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > > > caps an! d clean the pots, > > > switches, etc. > > > > > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > > > pots, and what would be the > > > best product to use... should I flood them with > > > contact cleaner and rotate > > > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to > > use > > > to help protect them? > > > > > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > > > small, button shaped switches > > > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not > > familiar > > > with that design, > > > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, > > or > > > might they be some sort > > > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > > > > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > > > play... the cam seemed to be > > > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > > > the small drive belt from > > > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > > > WD40 in that nylon cam > > > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > > > been operating fine with > > > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > > > grime/grudge (?) in those > > > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of > > light > > > oil on these bearings as > > > well? > > > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > > in engaging > > > > > > > > > Nothing personal- > > > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank > > posts > > > and - worked well for > > > me. > > > > > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > > > problem with nak > > > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > > > extensively had given advise > > > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > > > Nak Transport - plastic > > > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > > > > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' > > shaft > > > - they are meant to be > > > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > > > first place -will not > > > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > > > conditions expected for > > > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > > > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween > > the > > > wiper causing the > > > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > > > scratchy sound. Gets > > > better with rotating. > > > > > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > > > in switches - by removing > > > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > > > pots. Anyway replacing > > > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > > > solution ( which I did in > > > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > > > an advantageous solution > > > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > > > meter , AA circuits. > > > > > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > > > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > > > and I am giving my advice > > > based on my experience here, > > > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > > > oil inbetween rubber idler > > > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > > > Kannan > > >=== message truncated ===> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------===== From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 8 05:52:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: <4346C43F.5070208@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051008035234.65596.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Derrick, Our man Kermit has given you an encyclopedic knowledge of reel decks, condesnsed! As a home user, who is looking for good sound combined with ease of use and features, I woulc recommend the following reel deck. Teac X1000R, X2000R and A4300, Revox A77, B77 (the PR99 being the pro version of the B77). Among the Akais, I would love the GX747 for its looks and ease of use. When getting one, ensure that all the leds in the bargraph meters are working. Any and every reel deck needs service. And most reel decks, when properly serviced and aligned, would really perform and last for a long time. Which is true with cassette decks and why so much is being said about maintainence and service. Good Luck, and welcome to the even more esoteric field of reel to reel. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Derrick, > > > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > A little off topic, but not too far I hope. > > Been interested in picking up a decent reel to > reel deck. What brands > > should I be looking for? Any models that are good > intro decks? > > Intro level: The Big Three of intro deck brands are: > Teac (especially > 3340, X1000), Akai (especially M7, M8, GX757), and > Pioneer (especially > RT-2020, RT-2040, RT-1011L; the RT-707 and RT-701 > are nice with oddly > colored sound -- and quite unreliable). I have, or > have had, Akai M8, > GX4000D; Pioneer RT-1011L, RT-701; Teac 3340. My > most-favorite of the > group: Teac 3340. My Pioneer RT-701 was stolen and > the thief deserves it. > > Also consider: Sony (beware battery units, low end > units and go for > higher models only); Dokorder (reliability may be a > problem), > Telefunken, Bang & Olufsen, Philips, Telex (only the > 2002 and Viking), > Wollensak (so-so sound but the later stereo units > are decent), Fostex, > Pentron (beware and avoid cheapie battery units). I > had a Fostex E16 > briefly; nice sound, awful build quality. > > Do consider Uher 5000 and 700 "Royal" series. The > 4000 series have a > cult following but are widely regarded as ENG units, > have strong > coloration -- you'll love it or hate it -- and have > the WORST ergonomics > ever inflicted on a tape deck. Take it from a Uher > 4400 Report Stereo > and 4000 Report Pilot owner. > > Excellent level: Tandberg (especially 10-X), > Ferrograph (especially > Logic-7), Revox (A77, B77, E36, F36, G36, PR99); > Tascam (25-2, 32-2); > Otari (MX-50, MX-5050, MR70, MR90); Crown (700 or > 800), Nakamichi, > Magnecorder, Nagra (II and III -- grudgingly). I've > had Revox A77, B77, > PR99 (Loved 'em!); Magnecorder PT6 stereo > conversion, Tascam 25-2 and > 80-8, Crown 700, Otari MX5050, and Nagra III (which > I disliked > intensely). Also, whomever stole my Ferrograph > Logic-7, please give it back. > > Wow Level: Ampex (except home models, which are to > be avoided), Studer > B67, Studiocraft, MCI, Soundcraftsman, Ampro, > Berlant-Concertone, and > ATC/Tapecaster, Stellavox. I've had Ampex 602, 350, > 354. Loved 'em! > > Glory Level: Scully 100, 280, 280B; Studer A80 or > A800, 3M 79, > Telefunken M-3, Ampex ATR-100, MM-1100, MM-1600 or > MR-70. I've had > Scully 280, 280B (almost impossible to get parts for > now) which I > nominate for The Best Analog Deck Award (BAD Award), > Studer A80. Also > had an Ampex MR70, which I will always regret > selling. Stupid, stupid, > stupid! > > > How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand > up to LP? > > It varies with the record label. Some are no better > than highspeed duped > cassettes, but some are wonderful. LOOK FOR > BARCLAY-CROCKER tapes, they > are near-to-master quality! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 8 06:01:15 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: <01b901c5cb6b$dee95520$1a8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051008040115.18495.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham, Use a variac. Dont ever plug the guy in. Before that, give the innards a visual look through for broken wires, foreign objects..anything unusual. You may want to work the switches and pots first so that they are able to contact. I have this hair-raising feeling that she's going to wow you again after 40 years. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > My memory has failed me! It was NOT a Philips tape > recorder but it's a > Vogue "Studio", with internal amp and speaker. It's > VERY heavy and would > damage your foot if you dropped it from only an inch > above I reckon!! > > You are right - it was bought in the early 1960s by > my Dad. I just took the > lid off it and it looks as good now as it did then! > Only the cloth cover > stuck to the case of it is discoloured in places. > > It has just one (mono) output, which would have to > be fed to an amp with the > requisite amp' circuit. I'm guessing it would > probably work with my old > Eico ST70 ... except (of course) since it's not been > switched on for the > last 40 years I'm thinking it ought not be switched > on now, not without > warming up with a Variac!!! Recording levels were > monitored using a "magic > eye" and making sure the two sides didn't cross over > onto each other ... > very sophisticated! > > Ever heard of Vogue? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 06 October 2005 21:47 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording > devices > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > Nelson wrote: > > > That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were > allowed to play with a mint > > > mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. > It had three > > speeds and the > > > capacity to record over what was on the tape or > dub on top of > > it. We boys > > > like to create "battle" sounds by building up > over-dubbed > > sounds recorded on > > > the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back > on the middle > > one. My Mum > > > still has the recorder but it's not been used in > over 40 years > > and I don't > > > suppose it would just switch on and go now! I > wonder if it > > would have any > > > "collector" value. > > > > Possibly. Which model? > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 8 14:39:53 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:39:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Connecting MR1 to Reciever (sony 3000ES) In-Reply-To: <43471E0A.3020607@bresnan.net> References: <43471E0A.3020607@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <4347BE19.2000604@rcn.com> Bob Gibson wrote: > > I just won a MR1 and I think I jumped before I > found out all the connecting scemes. > > Can I connect the MR1 to my Sony 32000ES with > RCA Plugs to the NR/ports on the back? > > Thank You > > Bob > For unbalanced connections, what you need are 4 cables with RCA plugs (that go to the Sony receiver) on one end and mono phone plugs (that go to the MR1) on the other. Alternately, you can use your standard RCA to RCA phono connector cables. each with a Phone plug to RCA female adapter. IIRC, the 3200ES does not support unbalanced connections, so these are not an option in this case. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 8 14:49:19 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:49:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced In-Reply-To: <4346FC10.90305@bresnan.net> References: <4346FC10.90305@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <4347C04F.7050804@rcn.com> Bob Gibson wrote: > What is the difference between balanced and unbalanced > as to Tape deck inputs? Balanced connections are designed for professional studio use. They are more immune to noise picked up by the connections cables. When the internal circuitry is also balanced (not the case with the MR-1, for example), they theoretically generate less distortion. The XLR connectors and cables used for balanced connections are more expensive. In the home, with short cables in an electrically quiet environment, there is no real advantage to balanced connections. -- Ron From triesz at actewagl.net.au Sat Oct 8 10:38:36 2005 From: triesz at actewagl.net.au (Ted Riesz) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:38:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced In-Reply-To: <4346FC10.90305@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <004b01c5cbe3$afb5a920$6502a8c0@p4> Bob Has the same meaning as with any audio connections. Balanced means three wires (+, - & earth/shield). Normally associated with XLR plugs & sockets and used in pro gear mainly to allow longer noise free cable runs. Is sometimes used in hi end domestic gear but I am not qualified to give you the pros and cons on that other than I gather it is debatable. Regards Ted Riesz -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gibson Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2005 8:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced What is the difference between balanced and unbalanced as to Tape deck inputs? From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 8 13:10:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:10:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly Message-ID: Hi Ken! Maybe I can advise you something, with my hope that...will work or not..you inform us if does...I will be extremely happy! As for sure you obtain a box that was store many years, maybe in an humid/hot place...who knows...?, before you want to record on them after that you unwrapped run forward and back twice with FF or FB...seems me that the "Tape"...is stick..so as must do it with RR decks, I always do it, before I record or play an a already recorded reel tape...this way to "prepare" the tape before record or play really works! With "Fresh" recently made cassettes, don't happen...but...for be 100% sure also my recently brought Fuji Z-2 cassettes I also run the loaded cassette in my Dragon FF and FR before I intend to record on it...after for listen the recorded item...is NOT necessary! I hope Ken..that wil resolve your probleml ! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "eXtend Tech" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 >16:50:10 -0700 > >Interesting - I just purchased a box of 10 Maxell XLII chrome tapes, and >they do the same thing in my 1000zxl. The take up spool is slipping (and >making a nice grinding noise) but only periodically. I have never had this >problem with other tapes I have used (TDK, Sony, Thats and even lower end >Maxells.) Not sure if it is just the tapes or the deck. Certainly looking >at the tapes, I can't see a difference... > >Ken > > > >From: Ram Vemuri >Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly >Sent: Friday, October 7, 2005 9:57 AM >Hi Nakkers, >I have a question about my LX-3. Occasionally when I load the tape the take >up pulley doesn't rotate the tape properly and its slipping inside. There's >an associated worrisome noise that comes as the pulley rotates without >turning the tape. This happens only with some specific cassettes. Also, >sometimes this goes away when I stop, press the cassette with the door >still closed (thanks to the lx-3's open slot in the cassette door) it will >work. Can you suggest what I need to do to fix this. My suspicion is that >some spring is worn out and the pulley is further back than it should be. >Thanks! > > >Best Regards, >-- Ram Vemuri >(ramvem at hotmail.com) > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mikemaxcel at netscape.net Sat Oct 8 15:26:54 2005 From: mikemaxcel at netscape.net (mikemaxcel at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 09:26:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Message-ID: <8C79A2315784BA4-1064-4A6E@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> Have you solved you problem yet? And If you did, please share the details and procedures. And in week`s time I might be another one to own this 700 ZXE deck. __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 8 16:42:46 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:42:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hehe... Alex, I had already written CAIG before deciding to take both Bala and your advice, and just wait till there actually is a problem on those transport switches.. I'm glad I asked you both first though, and really appreciate all the experienced feedback on it from both of you. I just thought you would all be interested to hear what the CAIG company says about it, basically, they are agreeing with both of you too, because they said, it appears to be sealed and the wipers aren't visible. :~) All the best, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies Oh my God...40 or 50 times back & forth...at my 62 years age, I will need to go to the Hospital...for return my right arm as was before!!! Je...Je...Je..! Good Luck...Doane! ALEX! Ba >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:27:13 -0700 > >***************************************************************** >Bala: >I sent the picture of the Nak transport switches to the CAIG Deoxit/ProGold >company to see what they might say, I got an answer the same day, that's >unusual for a big company today! Anyway, got a nice answer from a 'Susan,' >see below: > > > >"Thanks for the image, it's excellent. The question is whether you have >access to the interior of the switch. It appears to be sealed, and I can't >see the wipers. > >Our recommendation, if you can get in there, is to carefully apply a short >burst of either the DeoxIT DN5 mini-spray(#DN5MS-15) or the DeoxIT 100% >spray (#D100S-2), and manually operate the wipers 40-50 times, if that's >possible. That should take care of it. > >Kind regards, > >Susan >CAIG Customer Care Team " > > ********************************************************************** > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:54 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration 400hz Tone dies > > >Hi Kannan, > > Yes it would certainly be difficult trying to >identify a particular part in a Digikey or Newark >catalogue. However, where I live, electronics parts is >one of the main industries and most parts are readily >available. I even got a full set of $4XXX series CMOS >ics used in the logic side of my 680ZX and 1000ZXL. >And yes Sir I have combed the streets of Madras and >Bangalore for tubes and transistors, so I do know >parts are available :) > >And yes generalized recommendations might not work. >But ultimately, the person opening up the unit on his >bench should have an idea of what he is using on his >equipment. I too service equipment, pratically one >every week. Besides regular TLC on my own equipment, >every so often I get equipment of all manner sent in: >Reel to reel, cassette decks, turntables, amplifiers, >receivers,,lots of things. As such, I have seen a >bewildering array of components. So based on this >knowledge I can give a recomendation on what are the >possible solutions for this particular problem. It may >work, or in worst cases, it simply won't cure the >problem. However, being used in leading companies and >having been endorsed by big industry players, ProGold >is a safe product. They are friendly and if in doubt, >one could approach them for technical help. > >If I am recommending some run of the mill XYZ brand >solution that is a cure all for all kinds of contact >problems, you can caution me for making a generalized >recommendation. No. Here, there is a solution for >every kind of problem. Time and care has to be taken >to select the solution we need, read up on its use and >misuse before attempting to use. I serviced my first >reel to reel, a Teac X1000R, at the age of 16. I >learnt ot through this way, reading, learning and >making friends with many old timers, some of whom have >passed on. Thankfully, all these knowledge helps me >keep my equipment in full working order and in spec. >And definitely I would love to learn more, and share >what I already know. > >I have nothing personal in this or any previous mails. >Rather then trying to be negative as what CAN'T be >done, SHOULD NOT be used, or who is WRONG, let us all >be open. It is perhaps this mindset that almost killed >the N1000ZXL and 700ZXL. I have three of the former >and two of the latter. Looking into them, I realized >that it wasn't just obsolete parts that killed >them-but the mindset that, this can't be done, or that >can't be done. If such is the attitude, I'd rather >resign being an engineer and become a become a beggar >instead. > > > >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > Bala > > this is the problem in generalized recommendations - > > specifically asked sometimes -in this case ZX 7 > > switches. It is a an easy replacement if you can > > spot a switch. These switches can be replaced with > > new switches if one can locate them among 1000's of > > such products in Digikey catalogue but not very easy > > to identify > > > > I had infact located these in India where you will > > find hundreds of electronic spare parts store every > > where. However I could locate only one store in > > Santa Clara where you can spend hours rummaging > > through spare parts like switches , semiconductors , > > presets and Caps . > > > > Since I have been opening and repairing naks almost > > one a month, i do not make genralized > > recommendations because I find people do not > > understand when where to use these products. I find > > damaged Naks without an easy fix in the process. > > > > kannan > > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > > > I believe we have to use the products as > > appropriate. I and membrane switches have a > > love-hate > > relationship. As a designer I love their easy of use > > and form factor. But as an audiophile and collector, > > I > > hate them being used on equipment. Thankfully, they > > are used to turn on a relay or switching transistor > > and do not directly conduct audio. Therefore, I > > really > > wouldn't waste a squirt on them. If they do go bad, > > they are cheap and do not impact the sound quality. > > Pots and switches in the signal path are our main > > concern here. > > > > Regards > > Bala Ganesh > > > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan > > wrote: > > > > > Does Motorola and McIntosh use them on their > > sealed > > > membrane switches ? > > > kannan > > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > Hi Doane, > > > > > > All my equipment which had been sitting pretty > > > for over 20 years sing like a morning bird after > > > Progold. So go ahead, give the deck what it > > > deserves-after all even people like Motorola and > > > McIntosh use them in their products. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > > Please see this picture of the ZX-7 transport > > button > > > switches I have the > > > question about: > > > http://rhoag.com/Forums/transport_sws.jpg Like I > > > said earlier, these are not > > > acting up, but I thought while I have everything > > > apart, it might be a good > > > idea to shoot some ProGold contact cleaner into > > > them, but I don't want to > > > risk causing a problem, so thought I would ask > > here > > > first. Can someone help? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:39 AM > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > > in engaging > > > > > > > > > Kannan & Bala: > > > > > > Please see my posts on my ZX-7, "ZX-7 Calibration > > > 400hz Tone dies." I now > > > have disassembled the deck to replace the orange > > > caps an! d clean the pots, > > > switches, etc. > > > > > > I was asking about how to go about cleaning the > > > pots, and what would be the > > > best product to use... should I flood them with > > > contact cleaner and rotate > > > them a bunch, would the ProGold then be good to > > use > > > to help protect them? > > > > > > While I have the front panel disassembled, the > > > small, button shaped switches > > > that the transport buttons push on, I'm not > > familiar > > > with that design, > > > should I shoot contact cleaner into them as well, > > or > > > might they be some sort > > > of magnetic types that could actually be harmed? > > > > > > When I first got the deck, it wouldn't stay in > > > play... the cam seemed to be > > > the problem as it wasn't engaging all the way but > > > the small drive belt from > > > its motor seemed to be all right. I squirted some > > > WD40 in that nylon cam > > > shaft bearing and the cam bearings and it has now > > > been operating fine with > > > no problem, so I am guessing that it was just > > > grime/grudge (?) in those > > > sleeve bearings? Should I now put a dr! op of > > light > > > oil on these bearings as > > > well? > > > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:33 AM > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow > > > in engaging > > > > > > > > > Nothing personal- > > > this advice is take from earlier Stephen Sank > > posts > > > and - worked well for > > > me. > > > > > > Secondly lot of times what do you think is not the > > > problem with nak > > > mechanisms -people who have worked with it > > > extensively had given advise > > > based on factual experiences. This applies to Old > > > Nak Transport - plastic > > > gears - leave them alone they work very reliably. > > > > > > And when simple thing like rotating the pots ' > > shaft > > > - they are meant to be > > > rotated , tested for large number of rotations in > > > first place -will not > > > cause damage as the wip! er is supposed to work in > > > conditions expected for > > > years of use. Or use Alps Sealed pot - better ! > > > Finally it is not that dirt accumates inbetween > > the > > > wiper causing the > > > scratchy sound - lack of contact is the reason for > > > scratchy sound. Gets > > > better with rotating. > > > > > > Craigs solution is meant for Copper based contacts > > > in switches - by removing > > > oxide layer does not apply to carbon track based > > > pots. Anyway replacing > > > small presets with sealed ceramic preset is good > > > solution ( which I did in > > > my Dragon - even sometimes with multi turn pots as > > > an advantageous solution > > > when you want it for calibration or adjustment for > > > meter , AA circuits. > > > > > > D not use hi pressure compresed air > > > So guys you want to pour some liquids - go ahead, > > > and I am giving my advice > > > based on my experience here, > > > I had received Snakyo transports with lubricating > > > oil inbetween rubber idler > > > and spool drive shafts when it is worn out? > > > Kannan > > >=== message truncated ===> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 8 16:53:59 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:53:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: <20051008035234.65596.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I was overseas in 1968 I bought all my stereo equipment in Japan. Several friends and I used to visit the stores as often as we could to listen to all the different brands, have them open them up to take a critical look see inside, etc. This was really the start of the high end stereo stores in the US as well, as some of these guys ended up bringing that interest back and opening those stores here. When I got back, very few people had seen such "fancy" stereo equipment over here and were all amazed. :~) Anyway, at the time, I remember that we had all pretty much decided between Teak, Akai and Sony as our top choices for the reel to reel decks. The Teak had a more mellow, rolled off high end and beautiful, soft touch solenoids operation in a clean, rich looking cabinet with oak and stainless steel. The Akai, with its "cross field" extra head design, had the widest high end frequency response, but to some of us, including me, it had a rather shrill high end and a rather pretentious, Cadillac looking design. The Sony, for me, and some others, was the middle ground and also was less expensive then the Teac, so I ended up with two of them, their best playback only deck, and their best 3 head, 3 motor, all solenoid, deck. I had these for many years and enjoyed them immensely, someone probably is still enjoying them today. But, I'll always remember those beautifully made and beautiful looking Teac machines, they were sort of magical... Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:53 PM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks Hi Derrick, Our man Kermit has given you an encyclopedic knowledge of reel decks, condesnsed! As a home user, who is looking for good sound combined with ease of use and features, I woulc recommend the following reel deck. Teac X1000R, X2000R and A4300, Revox A77, B77 (the PR99 being the pro version of the B77). Among the Akais, I would love the GX747 for its looks and ease of use. When getting one, ensure that all the leds in the bargraph meters are working. Any and every reel deck needs service. And most reel decks, when properly serviced and aligned, would really perform and last for a long time. Which is true with cassette decks and why so much is being said about maintainence and service. Good Luck, and welcome to the even more esoteric field of reel to reel. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Derrick, > > > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > A little off topic, but not too far I hope. > > Been interested in picking up a decent reel to > reel deck. What brands > > should I be looking for? Any models that are good > intro decks? > > Intro level: The Big Three of intro deck brands are: > Teac (especially > 3340, X1000), Akai (especially M7, M8, GX757), and > Pioneer (especially > RT-2020, RT-2040, RT-1011L; the RT-707 and RT-701 > are nice with oddly > colored sound -- and quite unreliable). I have, or > have had, Akai M8, > GX4000D; Pioneer RT-1011L, RT-701; Teac 3340. My > most-favorite of the > group: Teac 3340. My Pioneer RT-701 was stolen and > the thief deserves it. > > Also consider: Sony (beware battery units, low end > units and go for > higher models only); Dokorder (reliability may be a > problem), > Telefunken, Bang & Olufsen, Philips, Telex (only the > 2002 and Viking), > Wollensak (so-so sound but the later stereo units > are decent), Fostex, > Pentron (beware and avoid cheapie battery units). I > had a Fostex E16 > briefly; nice sound, awful build quality. > > Do consider Uher 5000 and 700 "Royal" series. The > 4000 series have a > cult following but are widely regarded as ENG units, > have strong > coloration -- you'll love it or hate it -- and have > the WORST ergonomics > ever inflicted on a tape deck. Take it from a Uher > 4400 Report Stereo > and 4000 Report Pilot owner. > > Excellent level: Tandberg (especially 10-X), > Ferrograph (especially > Logic-7), Revox (A77, B77, E36, F36, G36, PR99); > Tascam (25-2, 32-2); > Otari (MX-50, MX-5050, MR70, MR90); Crown (700 or > 800), Nakamichi, > Magnecorder, Nagra (II and III -- grudgingly). I've > had Revox A77, B77, > PR99 (Loved 'em!); Magnecorder PT6 stereo > conversion, Tascam 25-2 and > 80-8, Crown 700, Otari MX5050, and Nagra III (which > I disliked > intensely). Also, whomever stole my Ferrograph > Logic-7, please give it back. > > Wow Level: Ampex (except home models, which are to > be avoided), Studer > B67, Studiocraft, MCI, Soundcraftsman, Ampro, > Berlant-Concertone, and > ATC/Tapecaster, Stellavox. I've had Ampex 602, 350, > 354. Loved 'em! > > Glory Level: Scully 100, 280, 280B; Studer A80 or > A800, 3M 79, > Telefunken M-3, Ampex ATR-100, MM-1100, MM-1600 or > MR-70. I've had > Scully 280, 280B (almost impossible to get parts for > now) which I > nominate for The Best Analog Deck Award (BAD Award), > Studer A80. Also > had an Ampex MR70, which I will always regret > selling. Stupid, stupid, > stupid! > > > How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand > up to LP? > > It varies with the record label. Some are no better > than highspeed duped > cassettes, but some are wonderful. LOOK FOR > BARCLAY-CROCKER tapes, they > are near-to-master quality! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 8 17:02:50 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:02:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex, I think it was a Tandberg, but I could be wrong, maybe it was a Teac, I just remember that it was pretty noisy with tape hiss and the response wasn't that great. Did Teac make one with out Dolby? I have this fuzzy image of it in my head, but it just won't finish developing.. :~) Do you have a picture of it, I'd love to see it. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices Hello Doane! For better recalling your "Lost " memory...the FIRST Tandberg cassette machine produced was the TD-300 with 3 motors and Dolby B known at that era Dolby NS! (I acquired for $:5.00 yes Five US dollars), here in Tel Aviv Flea Market the successor of the first one named TD-310...still running well, "Horse work" one! For my collection! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:53:15 -0700 > >I have this foggy memory of my first cassette deck back in the 70's... a >Tandberg (?), no Dolby, and I think it laid flat with the door on the top, >or maybe it stood vertical (imitating reel to reel decks), I can't >remember. >At the time I owned a Sony reel to reel play back deck, and a three head >three motor big Sony for recording, along with a very nice Dual 1019 >turntable, and a great Shure magnetic cartridge. The cassette was just >intriguing because of the small size, but the tape hiss and component noise >was pretty bad. I think that was about the time people were experimenting >with different noise reducing systems, then Dolby and DBX were battling it >out. My first Dolby deck was a Teak, also a top loading flat model, pretty >good for the day. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:35 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices > > >It bespoke of one major feature that no product made today has - >reliability. In 1996, I bought my first portable cd player (Discman). To >date, I have changed 5 units, and two minidisc portables. My 670ZX, my >first >ever Nak, has outlived them all. Not to mention it was already 17 years old >when my first portable was new. > >Bala > >Sándor István wrote: >What a nice happy-end story... >She was just thirty that time, when you resurrect her... > >:-)))) > >István >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:39 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] fascination with recording devices > > >Hi Graham, > > That would put it at around the 60s.. In 98, when I was >walking past a metal cycling shop, I spotted three Revox G36s. One of them >was being torn out for its metal motors with the tubes smashed and >strewn.The local man told me that they were not for sale and he was >smashing >them anyway for their metal. I came back that night, and hauled one of the >remaining two decks and a cover back home. They were sitting on the >roadside, in a light drizzle. When I brought it back, I settled it at my >door step and rain water was draining out of from all sides. Myself and my >dad opened it up, and over the next two days tried to dry up whatever we >could, cleaned the pots and everything with cloth. On the second day, we >turned her on, and she played as smoothely as ever. Date of manufacture as >stamped on the head-block - 14th Februaury 1968. > >Bala > >Nelson wrote: >That reminds me ... when I was a boy we were allowed to play with a mint >mono tube reel-to-reel tape machine by Philips. It had three speeds and the >capacity to record over what was on the tape or dub on top of it. We boys >like to create "battle" sounds by building up over-dubbed sounds recorded >on >the slowest and fastest speeds and playing back on the middle one. My Mum >still has the recorder but it's not been used in over 40 years and I don't >suppose it would just switch on and go now! I wonder if it would have any >"collector" value. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > > Sent: 06 October 2005 13:19 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD-R sunlight > > > > > > I attribute my fascination with recording devices to a first-hand > > experience with an old wire recorder at a young age. It was something > > my uncle dug out of a dark corner of his basement and let us kids play > > with to keep us busy. I recently asked him about it in the hopes he > > still had it, but it's been long gone. > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Yahoo! for Good >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Yahoo! for Good >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Sat Oct 8 17:55:15 2005 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:55:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Rack ears for 670ZX wanted Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051008115255.03492270@stager.com> Looking for a pair of rack ears for a 670ZX. (same as used on Nak 660X and 680ZX decks) I'd like to buy or trade for a pair of straight sides. Thanks. Marc Stager From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 8 21:32:40 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:32:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa second mess(age) In-Reply-To: <1128715146.4346d38a26221@webmail7.click21.com.br> References: <4342D171.50704@woods-and-waters.com> <1128715146.4346d38a26221@webmail7.click21.com.br> Message-ID: <43481ED8.9080406@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Carlos! I'll find out the shipping and send you an invoice. Thanks for your interest! cnovak at click21.com.br wrote: > Hi, > I have visited the site indicated (link below) but have not found any PayPal > link with South America indication. The closest region was USA, but with no > shipping expenses. I am sure for Brazil there will be some shipping expenses. > Can you send this CD and Cassette tape to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil? I can pay > with PayPal. > Thanks! > > Carlos Novak -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 8 22:15:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:15:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa FAQs Message-ID: <434828F7.2090200@woods-and-waters.com> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, Based on the myriad questions I've been getting, here's some answers to the most-asked questions: Q: What selections are on the Nakathon IIIa? A: They include The Main Thing, Calling Elvis, Lord's Tundra, Boof 'N' Baff 'N' Biff', Mafestadde Real, Voodoo Child, Fess Up When You Mess Up, It's Bad You Know, Apollo Vibes, Original Sin, Smooth, Sibley Sanctus Lydian, Money, Big Chief, Have You Met Miss Jones, and two other tracks I cannot recall offhand. Q: Who chose the selections? A: Mike Moore, aka Atlanta Mike, the guy who has mastered the Art Of Trippiness, from among dozens of submissions. Amazingly, he rejected my offering of ABBA's cover of "Pick A Bale of Cotton." No accounting for taste. Q: How are the CDs or tapes made? A: Members of the Atlanta Nakamichi Group put the final selections on some tapes using their Nakamichi decks and their own source gear. I got the tape cassette, took the tape pancake out, cut it into individual pieces and spliced it together in the right order to make the final master tape, then put it on my Telex Copyette high-speed cassette duplicator to make copies. No, actually, when I received the tapes from Atlanta Mike, I carefully transferred the tape to my newly-upgraded CD Mastering DAW (with its experimental modified A/D and D/A convertors and custom software) using whichever of my cassette decks best suited the tape: Revox B710 Mk.II, Nakamichi 600-II or 500. This took a while because azimuth had to be tweaked by hand. A rare 1978-vintage T.A.N. Type 77A Program Amplifier (all tabe/valve circuitry) fed the signal into the DAW, which performed the track order editing. NO EQ, limiting or compression was used. CDs will be made with my new DAW; in fact, this project is its maiden voyage. The DAW has been designed to create CDs that are more analog-sounding than traditional. (Sorry, the DAW will not be for sale; it's a horrifically expensive one-of-a-kind rig for my studio's use only.) Cassettes will be made on the buyers' choice of my Nak 600-II or Revox B710. I'm dleighted to see many of you specified the Revox ONLY if it is perfectly adjuusted for the tape used. Such stipulations make me smile. Good to see others are as concerned about sound quality as I am! Q: How long will it take to get the CD or tape? A: Well, first, I have to get the new CD-Rs in to replace those I carelessly ruined by sunlight. I'm still irked at myself for violating Media Care 101: Never expose discs, DVDs, CDs, tapes, or vampyres to sunlight. The new CD-Rs should arrive by Wednesday. None of my local stores stock anything other than IMation, Maxell, TDK, and several sickly-green-colored dye generic-branded CD-Rs meant for computer data. I'm using Mitsui Diamond/Silver and Gold/Gold these days. The Diamond/Silver resemble pressed CDs. Both types have very low inherent jitter. I've had bad experiences recently with higher failure rates when using the Gold/Gold and the standard Mitsui blue dye CD-Rs, so I've not been using either except for test proofs. It's hard to make exact time projections, especially since this is a hobby-project if you will, but you all will get the CDs or tapes aas quickly as I am able. Demand exceeded my expectations, delightfully, so I have been caught inadequately prepared for the volume that has been received. That's the kind of "problem" I enjoy, though. Also, I will have to ask for your special forbearance. As some of you on the list already know, I'm a paraplegic and I also underwent neurosurgery in late 2002. (The surgery went well, but the recovery hasn't. Sorry, nothing fatal, just a danged annoyance, so you're stuck with me for a while.) The result is that from day to day, I have enough stamina to work for between two to six hours per day, with occasional days when I'm bedridden entirely. One doesn't make fast progress at that rate. I've set up my rig in the main traffic flow, so that I can put in a fresh CD or tape as I go by it, then start another as I pass that way again. CDs are easy: put a fresh CD in the recorder, press "Laser Attack Mode ON" and about 33 minutes later it's done. The 2X speed seems to work best for my CD recorder. Tapes are a bit more complicated because I want to check bias and channel balance for each individual tape, not just slap a tape in the deck and roll it. Tapes are recorded at real-time, about 70 minutes of roll. My guess is I'll average three to five a day. Also, don't forget to add the possibility of long shipping time for foreign airmail, which I've been told anecdotally may take up to four weeks depending on location, although a week to two weeks is more typical to most locations. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 8 22:57:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:57:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced In-Reply-To: <004b01c5cbe3$afb5a920$6502a8c0@p4> References: <004b01c5cbe3$afb5a920$6502a8c0@p4> Message-ID: <434832CC.6060105@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ted, Ted Riesz wrote: > Bob > > Has the same meaning as with any audio connections. Balanced means three > wires (+, - & earth/shield). Normally associated with XLR plugs & > sockets and used in pro gear mainly to allow longer noise free cable > runs. > > Is sometimes used in hi end domestic gear but I am not qualified to give > you the pros and cons on that other than I gather it is debatable. In my experience, balanced lines for home equipment serves only to increase the price except in three situations. Firstly, if the equipment will be used next to a source of RFI noise, such as a computer, plasma display television, radio transmitter (like a CB or HAM rig), or large electric motors. I question my anyone would place a stereo next to large electric motors, but I have actually seen it done. Also, if your residence is next to a broadcast station or cellular telephone tower OR you're unfortunate enough for your residence to be in the ground plane of a television station's antenna towers, as I was for years. Secondly, if (a big if) the equipment itself is genuinely a fully-balanced push-pull circuit, like many high-end professional products are. In this instance the gear will have very low distortion. This seems to be a feature more of classic valve equipment like the Altec 459 and 436, or the amazing McCurdy AU-300. I do not recall ever seeing any home stereo gear that is genuinely a fully-balanced push-pull circuit (other than my own -- shameless plug) but I'd strongly encourage anyone designing stereo gear to adop the design approach. Thirdly, if the different pieces of equipment will be located more than six feet (or about two meters) or so from each other. One of my friends has his preamp in the center of the room and the two monoblock amplifiers next to each speaker. The amplifiers are more than thirty feet (ten meters) from the preamp. The balanced cables give noise immunity over the long runs, the same as a studio situation. Thus, a Nak with balanced connections is a very good idea for some installations. Hope this helps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jmtooley at verizon.net Sun Oct 9 00:10:54 2005 From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:10:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Chrome Message-ID: <000a01c5cc55$27330a30$2c01a8c0@johntooley> I don't remember seeing this color wrap before. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4777210082&category=52473&ssPageName=:ITC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Oct 9 01:06:08 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:06:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434850E0.7020308@cox.net> There is an occasional problem with the spring-loaded collars on the supply and take-up spindles of the classic Nak transport. This might be what is happening to your LX-3. On the take-up spindle is a lobed collar which is spring-loaded. The lobes fit into the teeth in the hub of the cassette reel. Generally, when you insert a cassette, the hub teeth slide over the lobes as the cassette is pushed into place. But sometimes the teeth of the hub manage to fall square on the end of the lobes as the cassette is pushed in, this is the reason for the spring-loading - the collar is pushed back a bit against the spring and into the machine. As soon as the unit is put into play or fast forward, however, the spindle turns and the collar rotates around until the lobes can be pushed back into position into the teeth. This is a very confusing description, but 30 seconds of close examination will show you what I mean. The problem is with the spindle itself. Some of them develop a small crack and they expand slightly, but it's just enough to prevent the collar from sliding freely on it. So when the hub teeth manage to push the collar in, the collar gets stuck and can't pop back out to engage the teeth of the cassette hub properly. What you hear is the lobes banging against the teeth on the cassette hub as the take-up spindle rotates unhindered behind the cassette. I think the LX-3 has a mechanical counter which is belt-driven from the take-up spindle. Do you notice the counter progressing much faster than normal when you hear that worrisome noise? The correct repair is to replace the take up spindle. Tim eXtend Tech wrote: > Interesting - I just purchased a box of 10 Maxell XLII chrome tapes, > and they do the same thing in my 1000zxl. The take up spool is > slipping (and making a nice grinding noise) but only periodically. I > have never had this problem with other tapes I have used (TDK, Sony, > Thats and even lower end Maxells.) Not sure if it is just the tapes > or the deck. Certainly looking at the tapes, I can't see a difference... > > Ken > > > > From: Ram Vemuri > Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 doesn't load properly > Sent: Friday, October 7, 2005 9:57 AM > Hi Nakkers, > I have a question about my LX-3. Occasionally when I load the tape the > take up pulley doesn't rotate the tape properly and its slipping > inside. There's an associated worrisome noise that comes as the pulley > rotates without turning the tape. This happens only with some specific > cassettes. Also, sometimes this goes away when I stop, press the > cassette with the door still closed (thanks to the lx-3's open slot in > the cassette door) it will work. Can you suggest what I need to do to > fix this. My suspicion is that some spring is worn out and the pulley > is further back than it should be. > Thanks! > > > Best Regards, > -- Ram Vemuri > (ramvem at hotmail.com) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Sun Oct 9 01:22:21 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:22:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced In-Reply-To: <434832CC.6060105@woods-and-waters.com> References: <004b01c5cbe3$afb5a920$6502a8c0@p4> <434832CC.6060105@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <434854AD.2010901@bresnan.net> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Ted, > > Ted Riesz wrote: > >> Bob >> >> Has the same meaning as with any audio connections. Balanced means three >> wires (+, - & earth/shield). Normally associated with XLR plugs & >> sockets and used in pro gear mainly to allow longer noise free cable >> runs. >> >> Is sometimes used in hi end domestic gear but I am not qualified to give >> you the pros and cons on that other than I gather it is debatable. > > > In my experience, balanced lines for home equipment serves only to > increase the price except in three situations. > > Firstly, if the equipment will be used next to a source of RFI noise, > such as a computer, plasma display television, radio transmitter (like > a CB or HAM rig), or large electric motors. I question my anyone would > place a stereo next to large electric motors, but I have actually seen > it done. Also, if your residence is next to a broadcast station or > cellular telephone tower OR you're unfortunate enough for your > residence to be in the ground plane of a television station's antenna > towers, as I was for years. > > Secondly, if (a big if) the equipment itself is genuinely a > fully-balanced push-pull circuit, like many high-end professional > products are. In this instance the gear will have very low distortion. > This seems to be a feature more of classic valve equipment like the > Altec 459 and 436, or the amazing McCurdy AU-300. I do not recall ever > seeing any home stereo gear that is genuinely a fully-balanced > push-pull circuit (other than my own -- shameless plug) but I'd > strongly encourage anyone designing stereo gear to adop the design > approach. > > Thirdly, if the different pieces of equipment will be located more > than six feet (or about two meters) or so from each other. One of my > friends has his preamp in the center of the room and the two > monoblock amplifiers next to each speaker. The amplifiers are more > than thirty feet (ten meters) from the preamp. The balanced cables > give noise immunity over the long runs, the same as a studio situation. > > Thus, a Nak with balanced connections is a very good idea for some > installations. > > Hope this helps! > It really does!! I found out that I can hook up my MR1 to my Onyko 701 by using 4 -1/4" inserts from the MR1 line iput and output to the Tapeinserts in my Onkyo with a male RCA plugs on the receving end of the Reciever. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 9 01:37:13 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051008233713.40952.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How I really agree with you, admiring my A4300 and two X1000Rs, with the wooden cabinets. By the way, has anyone seen or heard Nakamichi's Magoc Tone reel to reels? Bala --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > When I was overseas in 1968 I bought all my stereo > equipment in Japan. > Several friends and I used to visit the stores as > often as we could to > listen to all the different brands, have them open > them up to take a > critical look see inside, etc. This was really the > start of the high end > stereo stores in the US as well, as some of these > guys ended up bringing > that interest back and opening those stores here. > When I got back, very few > people had seen such "fancy" stereo equipment over > here and were all amazed. > :~) > Anyway, at the time, I remember that we had all > pretty much decided between > Teak, Akai and Sony as our top choices for the reel > to reel decks. The Teak > had a more mellow, rolled off high end and > beautiful, soft touch solenoids > operation in a clean, rich looking cabinet with oak > and stainless steel. The > Akai, with its "cross field" extra head design, had > the widest high end > frequency response, but to some of us, including me, > it had a rather shrill > high end and a rather pretentious, Cadillac looking > design. The Sony, for > me, and some others, was the middle ground and also > was less expensive then > the Teac, so I ended up with two of them, their best > playback only deck, and > their best 3 head, 3 motor, all solenoid, deck. I > had these for many years > and enjoyed them immensely, someone probably is > still enjoying them today. > But, I'll always remember those beautifully made and > beautiful looking Teac > machines, they were sort of magical... > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:53 PM > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks > > > Hi Derrick, > > Our man Kermit has given you an encyclopedic > knowledge of reel decks, condesnsed! As a home user, > who is looking for good sound combined with ease of > use and features, I woulc recommend the following > reel > deck. Teac X1000R, X2000R and A4300, Revox A77, B77 > (the PR99 being the pro version of the B77). Among > the > Akais, I would love the GX747 for its looks and ease > of use. When getting one, ensure that all the leds > in > the bargraph meters are working. > > Any and every reel deck needs service. And most reel > decks, when properly serviced and aligned, would > really perform and last for a long time. Which is > true > with cassette decks and why so much is being said > about maintainence and service. Good Luck, and > welcome > to the even more esoteric field of reel to reel. > > Bala > > --- "Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > > > Hi Derrick, > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > > A little off topic, but not too far I hope. > > > Been interested in picking up a decent reel to > > reel deck. What brands > > > should I be looking for? Any models that are > good > > intro decks? > > > > Intro level: The Big Three of intro deck brands > are: > > Teac (especially > > 3340, X1000), Akai (especially M7, M8, GX757), and > > Pioneer (especially > > RT-2020, RT-2040, RT-1011L; the RT-707 and RT-701 > > are nice with oddly > > colored sound -- and quite unreliable). I have, or > > have had, Akai M8, > > GX4000D; Pioneer RT-1011L, RT-701; Teac 3340. My > > most-favorite of the > > group: Teac 3340. My Pioneer RT-701 was stolen and > > the thief deserves it. > > > > Also consider: Sony (beware battery units, low end > > units and go for > > higher models only); Dokorder (reliability may be > a > > problem), > > Telefunken, Bang & Olufsen, Philips, Telex (only > the > > 2002 and Viking), > > Wollensak (so-so sound but the later stereo units > > are decent), Fostex, > > Pentron (beware and avoid cheapie battery units). > I > > had a Fostex E16 > > briefly; nice sound, awful build quality. > > > > Do consider Uher 5000 and 700 "Royal" series. The > > 4000 series have a > > cult following but are widely regarded as ENG > units, > > have strong > > coloration -- you'll love it or hate it -- and > have > > the WORST ergonomics > > ever inflicted on a tape deck. Take it from a Uher > > 4400 Report Stereo > > and 4000 Report Pilot owner. > > > > Excellent level: Tandberg (especially 10-X), > > Ferrograph (especially > > Logic-7), Revox (A77, B77, E36, F36, G36, PR99); > > Tascam (25-2, 32-2); > > Otari (MX-50, MX-5050, MR70, MR90); Crown (700 or > > 800), Nakamichi, > > Magnecorder, Nagra (II and III -- grudgingly). > I've > > had Revox A77, B77, > > PR99 (Loved 'em!); Magnecorder PT6 stereo > > conversion, Tascam 25-2 and > > 80-8, Crown 700, Otari MX5050, and Nagra III > (which > > I disliked > > intensely). Also, whomever stole my Ferrograph > > Logic-7, please give it back. > > > > Wow Level: Ampex (except home models, which are to > > be avoided), Studer > > B67, Studiocraft, MCI, Soundcraftsman, Ampro, > > Berlant-Concertone, and > > ATC/Tapecaster, Stellavox. I've had Ampex 602, > 350, > > 354. Loved 'em! > > > > Glory Level: Scully 100, 280, 280B; Studer A80 or > > A800, 3M 79, > > Telefunken M-3, Ampex ATR-100, MM-1100, MM-1600 or > > MR-70. I've had > > Scully 280, 280B (almost impossible to get parts > for > > now) which I > > nominate for The Best Analog Deck Award (BAD > Award), > > Studer A80. Also > > had an Ampex MR70, which I will always regret > > selling. Stupid, stupid, > > stupid! > > > > > How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand > > up to LP? > > > > It varies with the record label. Some are no > better > > than highspeed duped > > cassettes, but some are wonderful. LOOK FOR > > BARCLAY-CROCKER tapes, they > > are near-to-master quality! > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > > for pro audio info > > > === message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited > States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Sun Oct 9 03:27:31 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:27:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Balanced vs unbalanced In-Reply-To: <004b01c5cbe3$afb5a920$6502a8c0@p4> References: <004b01c5cbe3$afb5a920$6502a8c0@p4> Message-ID: <43487203.2060506@bresnan.net> Hi Ted, Ted Riesz wrote: > Bob > > Has the same meaning as with any audio connections. Balanced means three > wires (+, - & earth/shield). Normally associated with XLR plugs & > sockets and used in pro gear mainly to allow longer noise free cable > runs. > > Is sometimes used in hi end domestic gear but I am not qualified to give > you the pros and cons on that other than I gather it is debatable. In my experience, balanced lines for home equipment serves only to increase the price except in three situations. Firstly, if the equipment will be used next to a source of RFI noise, such as a computer, plasma display television, radio transmitter (like a CB or HAM rig), or large electric motors. I question my anyone would place a stereo next to large electric motors, but I have actually seen it done. Also, if your residence is next to a broadcast station or cellular telephone tower OR you're unfortunate enough for your residence to be in the ground plane of a television station's antenna towers, as I was for years. Secondly, if (a big if) the equipment itself is genuinely a fully-balanced push-pull circuit, like many high-end professional products are. In this instance the gear will have very low distortion. This seems to be a feature more of classic valve equipment like the Altec 459 and 436, or the amazing McCurdy AU-300. I do not recall ever seeing any home stereo gear that is genuinely a fully-balanced push-pull circuit (other than my own -- shameless plug) but I'd strongly encourage anyone designing stereo gear to adop the design approach. Thirdly, if the different pieces of equipment will be located more than six feet (or about two meters) or so from each other. One of my friends has his preamp in the center of the room and the two monoblock amplifiers next to each speaker. The amplifiers are more than thirty feet (ten meters) from the preamp. The balanced cables give noise immunity over the long runs, the same as a studio situation. Thus, a Nak with balanced connections is a very good idea for some installations. Hope this helps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 10/7/2005 From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 9 05:10:18 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:10:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa FAQs In-Reply-To: <434828F7.2090200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: A heroic effort, thank, Kermit! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa FAQs Hello fellow Nakaphiles, Based on the myriad questions I've been getting, here's some answers to the most-asked questions: Q: What selections are on the Nakathon IIIa? A: They include The Main Thing, Calling Elvis, Lord's Tundra, Boof 'N' Baff 'N' Biff', Mafestadde Real, Voodoo Child, Fess Up When You Mess Up, It's Bad You Know, Apollo Vibes, Original Sin, Smooth, Sibley Sanctus Lydian, Money, Big Chief, Have You Met Miss Jones, and two other tracks I cannot recall offhand. Q: Who chose the selections? A: Mike Moore, aka Atlanta Mike, the guy who has mastered the Art Of Trippiness, from among dozens of submissions. Amazingly, he rejected my offering of ABBA's cover of "Pick A Bale of Cotton." No accounting for taste. Q: How are the CDs or tapes made? A: Members of the Atlanta Nakamichi Group put the final selections on some tapes using their Nakamichi decks and their own source gear. I got the tape cassette, took the tape pancake out, cut it into individual pieces and spliced it together in the right order to make the final master tape, then put it on my Telex Copyette high-speed cassette duplicator to make copies. No, actually, when I received the tapes from Atlanta Mike, I carefully transferred the tape to my newly-upgraded CD Mastering DAW (with its experimental modified A/D and D/A convertors and custom software) using whichever of my cassette decks best suited the tape: Revox B710 Mk.II, Nakamichi 600-II or 500. This took a while because azimuth had to be tweaked by hand. A rare 1978-vintage T.A.N. Type 77A Program Amplifier (all tabe/valve circuitry) fed the signal into the DAW, which performed the track order editing. NO EQ, limiting or compression was used. CDs will be made with my new DAW; in fact, this project is its maiden voyage. The DAW has been designed to create CDs that are more analog-sounding than traditional. (Sorry, the DAW will not be for sale; it's a horrifically expensive one-of-a-kind rig for my studio's use only.) Cassettes will be made on the buyers' choice of my Nak 600-II or Revox B710. I'm dleighted to see many of you specified the Revox ONLY if it is perfectly adjuusted for the tape used. Such stipulations make me smile. Good to see others are as concerned about sound quality as I am! Q: How long will it take to get the CD or tape? A: Well, first, I have to get the new CD-Rs in to replace those I carelessly ruined by sunlight. I'm still irked at myself for violating Media Care 101: Never expose discs, DVDs, CDs, tapes, or vampyres to sunlight. The new CD-Rs should arrive by Wednesday. None of my local stores stock anything other than IMation, Maxell, TDK, and several sickly-green-colored dye generic-branded CD-Rs meant for computer data. I'm using Mitsui Diamond/Silver and Gold/Gold these days. The Diamond/Silver resemble pressed CDs. Both types have very low inherent jitter. I've had bad experiences recently with higher failure rates when using the Gold/Gold and the standard Mitsui blue dye CD-Rs, so I've not been using either except for test proofs. It's hard to make exact time projections, especially since this is a hobby-project if you will, but you all will get the CDs or tapes aas quickly as I am able. Demand exceeded my expectations, delightfully, so I have been caught inadequately prepared for the volume that has been received. That's the kind of "problem" I enjoy, though. Also, I will have to ask for your special forbearance. As some of you on the list already know, I'm a paraplegic and I also underwent neurosurgery in late 2002. (The surgery went well, but the recovery hasn't. Sorry, nothing fatal, just a danged annoyance, so you're stuck with me for a while.) The result is that from day to day, I have enough stamina to work for between two to six hours per day, with occasional days when I'm bedridden entirely. One doesn't make fast progress at that rate. I've set up my rig in the main traffic flow, so that I can put in a fresh CD or tape as I go by it, then start another as I pass that way again. CDs are easy: put a fresh CD in the recorder, press "Laser Attack Mode ON" and about 33 minutes later it's done. The 2X speed seems to work best for my CD recorder. Tapes are a bit more complicated because I want to check bias and channel balance for each individual tape, not just slap a tape in the deck and roll it. Tapes are recorded at real-time, about 70 minutes of roll. My guess is I'll average three to five a day. Also, don't forget to add the possibility of long shipping time for foreign airmail, which I've been told anecdotally may take up to four weeks depending on location, although a week to two weeks is more typical to most locations. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 9 17:33:47 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 trouble In-Reply-To: <20051008031039.45412.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051009153347.9582.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now, an other problem related to the second one, If I go from pause, rewind or ff to play, 1/3 times, it just stops instead.(I already told this) Now, sometimes, the transport just stops working. I can't do anything until I open the cover and help the head motor to do it's job. --- Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > I've just got a pre-serviced BX-2 with gear upgrade > off eBay for 86$, but, there seem to be some > problems > with it. > > -There are drill-like noises when the rubber > "brakes" > touch the reel. I don't know if this is normal but > it > seems to. > > -When I press either pause, ff, or rew and then > play, > 1 time on 3, the player just returns to stop > position. > > That's about all I've found so far. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? > magasinage.yahoo.ca > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://mail.yahoo.fr From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 9 23:18:20 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:18:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 trouble In-Reply-To: <20051009153347.9582.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051009153347.9582.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4349891C.4090306@rcn.com> This is typical Sankyo transport problem, where the control motor has developed 'dead spots'. If this is indeed the problem, it will not correct itself, but will get worse with time. The motor can usually be rebuilt. Otherwise, it should be replaced. This will be a good time to lubricate the transport and clean the control motor contacts. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Now, an other problem related to the second one, > > If I go from pause, rewind or ff to play, 1/3 times, > it just stops instead.(I already told this) Now, > sometimes, the transport just stops working. I can't > do anything until I open the cover and help the head > motor to do it's job. > > > --- Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > > >>I've just got a pre-serviced BX-2 with gear upgrade >>off eBay for 86$, but, there seem to be some >>problems >>with it. >> >>-There are drill-like noises when the rubber >>"brakes" >>touch the reel. I don't know if this is normal but >>it >>seems to. >> >>-When I press either pause, ff, or rew and then >>play, >>1 time on 3, the player just returns to stop >>position. >> >>That's about all I've found so far. >> >>Cheers, >>Antoine >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > __________________________________________________________ > >>Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? >>magasinage.yahoo.ca >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Antoine Deschênes, > antdes45 at yahoo.ca From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 9 23:53:49 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 trouble In-Reply-To: <4349891C.4090306@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051009215349.26785.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone on diyaudio.com told me this problem could burn the transistors. How can I solve this since you told a rebuild is possible? Some people put 2x normal voltage for a few seconds to kill the shorts(Not Nak specific, but this trick is being used sometimes). Can I just turn the brushes the other side(If there are some)? I'm waiting a reply for a cam motor pricing at eslabs. I should get it from there if I can't do anything with the present motor. --- Ron a écrit : > > This is typical Sankyo transport problem, where the > control motor has developed 'dead spots'. If this > is indeed the problem, it will not correct itself, > but will get worse with time. > > The motor can usually be rebuilt. Otherwise, it > should > be replaced. This will be a good time to lubricate > the > transport and clean the control motor contacts. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Now, an other problem related to the second one, > > > > If I go from pause, rewind or ff to play, 1/3 > times, > > it just stops instead.(I already told this) Now, > > sometimes, the transport just stops working. I > can't > > do anything until I open the cover and help the > head > > motor to do it's job. > > > > > > --- Antoine Deschênes a écrit > : > > > > > >>I've just got a pre-serviced BX-2 with gear > upgrade > >>off eBay for 86$, but, there seem to be some > >>problems > >>with it. > >> > >>-There are drill-like noises when the rubber > >>"brakes" > >>touch the reel. I don't know if this is normal but > >>it > >>seems to. > >> > >>-When I press either pause, ff, or rew and then > >>play, > >>1 time on 3, the player just returns to stop > >>position. > >> > >>That's about all I've found so far. > >> > >>Cheers, > >>Antoine > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > >>Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? > >>magasinage.yahoo.ca > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > Antoine Deschênes, > > antdes45 at yahoo.ca > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From kirkland at genesyslab.com Mon Oct 10 02:35:25 2005 From: kirkland at genesyslab.com (Bruce Kirkland) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:35:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual for ZX-7 Message-ID: <1DFB9493D514DC48887D398B866C01621E5597@GIMLI.us.int.genesyslab.com> Hi All, I am looking for a service manaul for a ZX-7 or information on how to set up the bias. My service agent is unable to do any further work on my ZX-7 until they can get the information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 10 13:02:16 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:02:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual for ZX-7 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB4E@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> It will be sent to you Bruce. Let me know if you have any probs. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Kirkland Sent: Monday, 10 October 2005 10:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual for ZX-7 Hi All, I am looking for a service manaul for a ZX-7 or information on how to set up the bias. My service agent is unable to do any further work on my ZX-7 until they can get the information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 10 21:36:02 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:36:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? Message-ID: OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table pulled out of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need throusands of caps for this one deck! Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, and that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other caps, so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent polypropylene. I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone please help? I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this attached XL file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post it in this thread). Thanks, Doane -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: orange caps list.csv Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1171 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: orange caps.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 30595 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 03:18:08 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051011011809.3810.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check out my web page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't noticeable affect the sound. SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > pulled out > of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > his > sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > need > throusands of caps for this one deck! > Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > Polypropylene, and > that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > other caps, > so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > equivalent > polypropylene. > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > someone please > help? > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > attached XL > file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > it in > this thread). > > Thanks, > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 11 00:00:45 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:00:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434AE48D.3000706@yahoo.ca> IMO, these are Vishay-Sprague Orange-Drops^® Orange Drops are some *really* orange polyprop. like yours. Maybe yours are drops clones by other companies. Sprague makes the original ones. Page 595 of latest Mouser catalog. 710P series only on the website. http://www.mouser.com/catalog/623/595.pdf These are both available in polyester(225P ones) and polypropylene(715P ones) Drops are the best *cheap* caps. If you want something better than that, start with 5$+ per caps. Example: Black Gate or Auricap) Doane Hoag a écrit : >OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table pulled out >of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > >I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his >sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need >throusands of caps for this one deck! >Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, and >that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other caps, >so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent >polypropylene. > >I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone please >help? > >I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this attached XL >file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post it in >this thread). > >Thanks, >Doane > > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Tue Oct 11 01:08:02 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:08:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rob. This is a link to a Swedish distributor, and they have them. At least you will be able to find who makes them. http://www.elfa.se/en/ You have to use the menue on the left, don't worry, its in English, in order to navigate to them. All prices in SEK, about 7 SEK to a US$ With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:36 PM > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > > > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my > table pulled out of my ZX-7 and I can't find the > replacements, anywhere. > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and > checked his sources, but he can only get them in lots of > about 1000... I don't need throusands of caps for this one > deck! Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > Polypropylene, and that they have much cleaner sound then > polystyrene or mica, or other caps, so I should try to get > the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent polypropylene. > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > someone please help? > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > attached XL file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll > have to try to post it in this thread). > > Thanks, > Doane > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 11 03:42:49 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:42:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: <20051011011809.3810.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051011011809.3810.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <434B1899.30600@yahoo.ca> Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. Scott Johnson a écrit : >Check out my web page >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" >polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the >Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and >are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester >caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't >noticeable affect the sound. > >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >>OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table >>pulled out >>of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. >> >>I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked >>his >>sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't >>need >>throusands of caps for this one deck! >>Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are >>Polypropylene, and >>that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or >>other caps, >>so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or >>equivalent >>polypropylene. >> >>I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can >>someone please >>help? >> >>I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this >>attached XL >>file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post >>it in >>this thread). >> >>Thanks, >>Doane >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 11 07:42:29 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:42:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? Message-ID: Scott: Thanks for your quick answer. I've also been told by two capacitor distributors that the Polypropylene are better then the polyester or others because they are cleaner in sound with less noise in audio circuits. But like you said, maybe the difference isn't that noticeable? I need the 5% values for the Left/Right channels in the audio circuits of the Dolby, Record Amp, and the Switch circuits boards, although I could get away with 10% and buy more and sort through them for matches, but I would have to get a meter that can measure caps, I don't presently have one. I had been to Digi-Key and I did find the Panasonic ECQ-E 5% Polypropylene, but they aren't all available for the different sizes I need. In the smaller pico fared sizes I would still need these 5% PP caps for the left/right audio channels, unless I go with the Polystyrene for them: .003u (3000p) 5% 100v .0018u (1800p) 5% 100v .00033u (330p) 5% 100v The rest of the caps are in the Bias and Tone Oscillators and I see no reason I can't use the Polyester caps there, so they aren't a problem. Thanks, Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 11 14:55:40 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:55:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434BB64C.8060302@rcn.com> Polypropylene caps are indeed the best kind for audio work. Unfortunately, they are physically large, compared to other types of film capacitors of the same values. I am not sure what the original orange caps are, they are certainly some kind of film caps, but I doubt they are polypropylene -- they are physically too small. I have bought polypropylene capacitors from both Digi- Key (they carry Panansonic) and Mouser. I used those from Digi-Key to install the EQ modification in a CR-7. For this job, I used 1% and -- when not available -- 2% caps. For non-filtering applications, 5% caps are more than enough. I also have a complete kit for original orange cap replacement in my own CR-7. Can't recall where I got them, probably Digi-Key. Good luck, -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table pulled out > of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his > sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need > throusands of caps for this one deck! > Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, and > that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other caps, > so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent > polypropylene. > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone please > help? > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this attached XL > file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post it in > this thread). > > Thanks, > Doane From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Oct 11 15:29:58 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:29:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks In-Reply-To: <20051008233713.40952.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051008233713.40952.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051011092901.01c21cf8@psulias.psu.edu> Thanks for all the input on R-R decks. Seems to be quite a plethora of choices out there! From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 11 16:35:38 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:35:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: <434B1899.30600@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Antoine: Sorry I did not answer you... I checked on the Vishay-Sprauge caps "orange drop" page you referenced. The problem is that in the "orange drop" polypropropylene 5% list there are none that will fill the bill as they start at 200v and are all physically way to big, starting at .75" or 3/4" in width and the "orange drop" polyester ones listed on that page are also physically too big starting at .7". On the next page, however, I did find a list of WIMA 5% polypropylene caps. One of these, a .003u, will work for the audio L/R circuits and two will work for the bias and tone oscillator circuits, but I would still need 5% pp caps .003u, .0018u, .00033u for the audio circuits, and .068u, .018u, for the oscillator circuits, which I think could just as well be other polyester 10%, so mainily it's the audio circuit caps I need above in pp 5% at Mouser. When I get a chance I'll look some more on their site though. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. Scott Johnson a écrit : Check out my web page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't noticeable affect the sound. SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table pulled out of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need throusands of caps for this one deck! Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, and that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other caps, so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent polypropylene. I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone please help? I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this attached XL file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post it in this thread). Thanks, Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 11 13:50:10 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:50:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: <434B1899.30600@yahoo.ca> References: <20051011011809.3810.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <434B1899.30600@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <434BA6F2.2050301@yahoo.ca> I don't know why, one reply on two is not posted... Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > Scott Johnson a écrit : > >>Check out my web page >>http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >>and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" >>polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the >>Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and >>are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester >>caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't >>noticeable affect the sound. >> >>SJ >> >>--- Doane Hoag wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table >>>pulled out >>>of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. >>> >>>I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked >>>his >>>sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't >>>need >>>throusands of caps for this one deck! >>>Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are >>>Polypropylene, and >>>that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or >>>other caps, >>>so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or >>>equivalent >>>polypropylene. >>> >>>I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can >>>someone please >>>help? >>> >>>I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this >>>attached XL >>>file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post >>>it in >>>this thread). >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Doane >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Yahoo! 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 11 22:15:38 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: <434BB64C.8060302@rcn.com> References: <434BB64C.8060302@rcn.com> Message-ID: <434C1D6A.80904@yahoo.ca> Orange Drops are the only bright orange caps. SBE(Sold under Vishay Sprague name) 715P series Orange Drops are the only polyprop. you can find @ Mouser: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/623/595.pdf http://www.sbelectronics.com/ are now the mfgs of the Orange Drops so you might find some caps exactly like yours somewhere in the product lines. The 715P series are 5% polypropylenes(What you search for) and are known as pretty good (cheap) polyprops. to people upgrading old EICO tube amps. Note that there are also some 10% polystyrenes (225P series). The 225P are supposed to be equivalent to the light yellow Mallory "150" series. The biggest cap in 200VDC is $1.09. Pretty cheap! For sure these are not polyester ones, they are supposed to last 40+ years. Ron a écrit : > > Polypropylene caps are indeed the best kind for audio > work. Unfortunately, they are physically large, > compared to other types of film capacitors of the same > values. > > I am not sure what the original orange caps are, they > are certainly some kind of film caps, but I doubt they > are polypropylene -- they are physically too small. > > I have bought polypropylene capacitors from both Digi- > Key (they carry Panansonic) and Mouser. I used those > from Digi-Key to install the EQ modification in a > CR-7. For this job, I used 1% and -- when not > available -- 2% caps. For non-filtering applications, > 5% caps are more than enough. I also have a complete > kit for original orange cap replacement in my own CR-7. > Can't recall where I got them, probably Digi-Key. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table >> pulled out >> of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. >> >> I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his >> sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need >> throusands of caps for this one deck! >> Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, >> and >> that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other >> caps, >> so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent >> polypropylene. >> >> I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone >> please >> help? >> >> I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this >> attached XL >> file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post >> it in >> this thread). >> >> Thanks, >> Doane > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 11 22:44:42 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:44:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434C243A.8020602@yahoo.ca> Maybe you could ask some 715P 100VDC 1% "samples" directly from SBE? My BX-2 is filled with (from what I've found) Mallory 150 but I'm not sure. These are giant, but there's space for them. Doane Hoag a écrit : >Antoine: > >Sorry I did not answer you... I checked on the Vishay-Sprauge caps "orange >drop" page you referenced. The problem is that in the "orange drop" >polypropropylene 5% list there are none that will fill the bill as they >start at 200v and are all physically way to big, starting at .75" or 3/4" >in width and the "orange drop" polyester ones listed on that page are also >physically too big starting at .7". >On the next page, however, I did find a list of WIMA 5% polypropylene caps. >One of these, a .003u, will work for the audio L/R circuits and two will >work for the bias and tone oscillator circuits, but I would still need 5% pp >caps .003u, .0018u, .00033u for the audio circuits, and .068u, .018u, for >the oscillator circuits, which I think could just as well be other polyester >10%, so mainily it's the audio circuit caps I need above in pp 5% at Mouser. > >When I get a chance I'll look some more on their site though. > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > > >Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > >I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's >"Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > >Scott Johnson a écrit : >Check out my web page >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" >polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the >Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and >are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester >caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't >noticeable affect the sound. > >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > >OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table >pulled out >of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > >I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked >his >sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't >need >throusands of caps for this one deck! >Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are >Polypropylene, and >that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or >other caps, >so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or >equivalent >polypropylene. > >I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can >someone please >help? > >I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this >attached XL >file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post >it in >this thread). > >Thanks, >Doane > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 12 00:15:36 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:15:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? Message-ID: I now see that my list can not be attached to this forum post, so here is what I'm looking for. Nakamachi has these all listed as PP in the schematic list except the last two, as I have noted, and they are all about .25" (1/4" 6mm) wide: Audio Dolby & Line Amp Left & Right matched Circuits: polyprop 100v .003u (3000pf) polyprop 100v .033uf polyprop 100v .0018uf (1800pf) polyprop 100v .00033uf (330pf) Bias & Tone Oscillator Circuits polyprop 100v .068uf polyprop 100v .022uf polyprop 100v .0047uf (4700pf) polyprop 100v .018uf mica 50v .00033uf (330pf) mylar 50v .056uf This list is in an XL sheet here: http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.xls Here is a jpg photo of some of the caps for size reference... the biggest one, the .068uf, is only about .4" (about 3/8" or 10mm) in width, while most of them are about .25" (1/4" or about 6mm) in width. The .056uf darker one in the top center is apparently a mylar cap, according to the Nak schematic. http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.jpg Thanks, Doane From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 12 00:15:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:15:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? Message-ID: Antoine: It's very hard to communicate on this forum because there is such a time lag from when I send and when it actually gets posted... sorry. Anyway, I commented above on your first posts: the Mouser "orange drop" caps you mention, the page 595, 715p 5% polyprop series, or the 225p 10% polyester series are both physically too big to use, they start at .7" (about 3/4") in width. However, on the next page 596 it does have another 5% polypropylene type "WIMA" series and these will work for two of the caps I need and they are both around the physical size of the original ones I pulled out, about .25" (1/4" 6mm) in width. I just still need to find the following sizes in a 5% 100v Polyprop: .0018u (1800p), .003u (3000p) I think for the oscillator circuits I can use the 10% polyester with no problems Doane From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 12 00:21:54 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:21:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? Message-ID: Thomas: Thanks for the link, but I couldn't find most of the ones I'm looking for there, unless I just missed it. See my other post in this thread where I listed the sizes I need. Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 12 00:39:23 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:39:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there is a Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has done so for the last 15 years or so. So, I thought that I would take my £3.51 (courtesy of Ebay) troubled BX-2 to sort out. Took it in last Thursday and told him that there was an annoying buzzing/hum and that the fast forward/rewind didn't want to work and that replay was sort of OK but the sound was a bit muffled. Bowers and Wilkins quoted £110-£140 to sort it. Now don't get me wrong, B & W are first class Nakamichi service agents and did a fine job of upgrading and servicing my BX-300. However, the cost of fixing the BX-2 by them was more than I thought sensible not to mention the 65 miles each way drive, hence my search for a local agent. At 2 miles away I don't think it could be much more "local". Well, today I got a call saying that they had repaired my Nak and was ready for collection. Apparently the idle wheel needing replacing as well as the tyre and additionally they replaced the belts whilst they were at it. Investigating the buzz/hum they removed the motor, cleaned the armature, repaired dry joints on the circuit board and repairing the earthing system. Finally they cleaned the heads and transport and demagnetized everything, reassembled and tested. Total labour was 3.5 hours. Oh and the cost, £15.80 (UK sterling) for the parts and £42.00 for the labour. I consider this to be a very reasonable charge with the job done in very quick time. Oh the how does it sound. Well, I am listening to the recording that I made on my Aiwa deck over 23 years ago of the Queen album "Sheer Heart Attack". Wow, I'd forgotten how good that album sounded, both through my Senheiser HD 420 headphones and through my Cambridge Soundworks computer based speakers (4.1 system). I must remind myself that this is a humble BX-2 being played on low-Fi in my study. That's it, I am definitely commissioning the BX-300 and Nakamichi Receiver 1 this coming week that have been waiting to be installed. I have been putting it off as the children are still small (4 & 6) but what the heck, at 61 years of age my ears aren't going to get any better so let's just enjoy it whilst I can. Now, where's that "Wish You Were Here" tape I made 23 years ago from my half speed master recorded LP? Shaun From ktl at bornet.net Wed Oct 12 08:23:35 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:23:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added. Message-ID: I have added the service-manual for ZX 9 With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 12 09:29:17 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:29:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. In-Reply-To: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <005401c5cefe$a748ac60$b8bf87d9@oemcomputer> Brilliant, Shaun!! In wish they had a shop near me!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 11 October 2005 23:39 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. > > > A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK > there is a > Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has done so > for the last 15 years or so. > > > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Wed Oct 12 14:46:34 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:46:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 27 References: <200510120656.j9C6uBtx022572@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004301c5cf2a$fa24d0e0$8902a8c0@warbird> > 1. Re: HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? I can testify for the Panasonic ECQ-B polyester caps: Stephen Sank used them on my modded CR7, and routinely uses them for Naks (unless you want his CR7 "ultra" as he calls it. I saw pics of one prepared for a customer in Hong Kong with all its bits of exotica, and coveted it greatly!). On his advice, I used them to do a "pre-emptive" replacement on my LX3. Sonically, I could tell no difference before and after. I've ordered from both Digikey and Moyer Electronics--both are very helpful and swift in delivery. Best, Paul Dingle > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:55:40 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <434BB64C.8060302 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Polypropylene caps are indeed the best kind for audio > work. Unfortunately, they are physically large, > compared to other types of film capacitors of the same > values. > > I am not sure what the original orange caps are, they > are certainly some kind of film caps, but I doubt they > are polypropylene -- they are physically too small. > > I have bought polypropylene capacitors from both Digi- > Key (they carry Panansonic) and Mouser. I used those > from Digi-Key to install the EQ modification in a > CR-7. For this job, I used 1% and -- when not > available -- 2% caps. For non-filtering applications, > 5% caps are more than enough. I also have a complete > kit for original orange cap replacement in my own CR-7. > Can't recall where I got them, probably Digi-Key. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table pulled out > > of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his > > sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need > > throusands of caps for this one deck! > > Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, and > > that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other caps, > > so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent > > polypropylene. > > > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone please > > help? > > > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this attached XL > > file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post it in > > this thread). > > > > Thanks, > > Doane > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:29:58 -0400 > From: Derrick Beckner > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051011092901.01c21cf8 at psulias.psu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Thanks for all the input on R-R decks. Seems to be quite a plethora of > choices out there! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:35:38 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Antoine: > > Sorry I did not answer you... I checked on the Vishay-Sprauge caps "orange > drop" page you referenced. The problem is that in the "orange drop" > polypropropylene 5% list there are none that will fill the bill as they > start at 200v and are all physically way to big, starting at .75" or 3/4" > in width and the "orange drop" polyester ones listed on that page are also > physically too big starting at .7". > On the next page, however, I did find a list of WIMA 5% polypropylene caps. > One of these, a .003u, will work for the audio L/R circuits and two will > work for the bias and tone oscillator circuits, but I would still need 5% pp > caps .003u, .0018u, .00033u for the audio circuits, and .068u, .018u, for > the oscillator circuits, which I think could just as well be other polyester > 10%, so mainily it's the audio circuit caps I need above in pp 5% at Mouser. > > When I get a chance I'll look some more on their site though. > > Thanks, > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > > > Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > Scott Johnson a écrit : > Check out my web page > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" > polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the > Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and > are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester > caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't > noticeable affect the sound. > > SJ > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > pulled out > of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > his > sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > need > throusands of caps for this one deck! > Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > Polypropylene, and > that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > other caps, > so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > equivalent > polypropylene. > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > someone please > help? > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > attached XL > file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > it in > this thread). > > Thanks, > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:50:10 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <434BA6F2.2050301 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't know why, one reply on two is not posted... > > Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > > > Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > > > I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > > "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > > > Scott Johnson a écrit : > > > >>Check out my web page > >>http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >>and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" > >>polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the > >>Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and > >>are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester > >>caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't > >>noticeable affect the sound. > >> > >>SJ > >> > >>--- Doane Hoag wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > >>>pulled out > >>>of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > >>> > >>>I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > >>>his > >>>sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > >>>need > >>>throusands of caps for this one deck! > >>>Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > >>>Polypropylene, and > >>>that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > >>>other caps, > >>>so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > >>>equivalent > >>>polypropylene. > >>> > >>>I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > >>>someone please > >>>help? > >>> > >>>I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > >>>attached XL > >>>file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > >>>it in > >>>this thread). > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>>Doane > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >>http://mail.yahoo.com > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 09/10/2005 > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051011/26dd5e8e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:15:38 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <434C1D6A.80904 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Orange Drops are the only bright orange caps. SBE(Sold under Vishay > Sprague name) 715P series Orange Drops are the only polyprop. you can > find @ Mouser: > > http://www.mouser.com/catalog/623/595.pdf > > http://www.sbelectronics.com/ are now the mfgs of the Orange Drops so > you might find some caps exactly like yours somewhere in the product lines. > > The 715P series are 5% polypropylenes(What you search for) and are known > as pretty good (cheap) polyprops. to people upgrading old EICO tube > amps. Note that there are also some 10% polystyrenes (225P series). The > 225P are supposed to be equivalent to the light yellow Mallory "150" series. > > The biggest cap in 200VDC is $1.09. Pretty cheap! > > For sure these are not polyester ones, they are supposed to last 40+ years. > > > Ron a écrit : > > > > > Polypropylene caps are indeed the best kind for audio > > work. Unfortunately, they are physically large, > > compared to other types of film capacitors of the same > > values. > > > > I am not sure what the original orange caps are, they > > are certainly some kind of film caps, but I doubt they > > are polypropylene -- they are physically too small. > > > > I have bought polypropylene capacitors from both Digi- > > Key (they carry Panansonic) and Mouser. I used those > > from Digi-Key to install the EQ modification in a > > CR-7. For this job, I used 1% and -- when not > > available -- 2% caps. For non-filtering applications, > > 5% caps are more than enough. I also have a complete > > kit for original orange cap replacement in my own CR-7. > > Can't recall where I got them, probably Digi-Key. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >> OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > >> pulled out > >> of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > >> > >> I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his > >> sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need > >> throusands of caps for this one deck! > >> Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, > >> and > >> that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other > >> caps, > >> so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent > >> polypropylene. > >> > >> I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone > >> please > >> help? > >> > >> I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > >> attached XL > >> file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > >> it in > >> this thread). > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Doane > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:44:42 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <434C243A.8020602 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Maybe you could ask some 715P 100VDC 1% "samples" directly from SBE? > > My BX-2 is filled with (from what I've found) Mallory 150 but I'm not > sure. These are giant, but there's space for them. > > Doane Hoag a écrit : > > >Antoine: > > > >Sorry I did not answer you... I checked on the Vishay-Sprauge caps "orange > >drop" page you referenced. The problem is that in the "orange drop" > >polypropropylene 5% list there are none that will fill the bill as they > >start at 200v and are all physically way to big, starting at .75" or 3/4" > >in width and the "orange drop" polyester ones listed on that page are also > >physically too big starting at .7". > >On the next page, however, I did find a list of WIMA 5% polypropylene caps. > >One of these, a .003u, will work for the audio L/R circuits and two will > >work for the bias and tone oscillator circuits, but I would still need 5% pp > >caps .003u, .0018u, .00033u for the audio circuits, and .068u, .018u, for > >the oscillator circuits, which I think could just as well be other polyester > >10%, so mainily it's the audio circuit caps I need above in pp 5% at Mouser. > > > >When I get a chance I'll look some more on their site though. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Antoine Deschênes > >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > > > > > >Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > > >I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > >"Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > > >Scott Johnson a écrit : > >Check out my web page > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" > >polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the > >Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and > >are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester > >caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't > >noticeable affect the sound. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > >OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > >pulled out > >of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > > >I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > >his > >sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > >need > >throusands of caps for this one deck! > >Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > >Polypropylene, and > >that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > >other caps, > >so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > >equivalent > >polypropylene. > > > >I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > >someone please > >help? > > > >I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > >attached XL > >file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > >it in > >this thread). > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:15:36 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I now see that my list can not be attached to this forum post, so here is > what I'm looking for. Nakamachi has these all listed as PP in the schematic > list except the last two, as I have noted, and they are all about .25" (1/4" > 6mm) wide: > > Audio Dolby & Line Amp Left & Right matched Circuits: > > polyprop 100v .003u (3000pf) > polyprop 100v .033uf > polyprop 100v .0018uf (1800pf) > polyprop 100v .00033uf (330pf) > > Bias & Tone Oscillator Circuits > > polyprop 100v .068uf > polyprop 100v .022uf > polyprop 100v .0047uf (4700pf) > polyprop 100v .018uf > mica 50v .00033uf (330pf) > mylar 50v .056uf > > This list is in an XL sheet here: http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.xls > > Here is a jpg photo of some of the caps for size reference... the biggest > one, the .068uf, is only about .4" (about 3/8" or 10mm) in width, while most > of them are about .25" (1/4" or about 6mm) in width. The .056uf darker one > in the top center is apparently a mylar cap, according to the Nak schematic. > http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.jpg > > Thanks, > Doane > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:15:35 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Antoine: > > It's very hard to communicate on this forum because there is such a time lag > from when I send and when it actually gets posted... sorry. > > Anyway, I commented above on your first posts: the Mouser "orange drop" caps > you mention, the page 595, 715p 5% polyprop series, or the 225p 10% > polyester series are both physically too big to use, they start at .7" > (about 3/4") in width. However, on the next page 596 it does have another 5% > polypropylene type "WIMA" series and these will work for two of the caps I > need and they are both around the physical size of the original ones I > pulled out, about .25" (1/4" 6mm) in width. I just still need to find the > following sizes in a 5% 100v Polyprop: .0018u (1800p), .003u (3000p) I think > for the oscillator circuits I can use the 10% polyester with no problems > > Doane > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:21:54 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thomas: > > Thanks for the link, but I couldn't find most of the ones I'm looking for > there, unless I just missed it. > See my other post in this thread where I listed the sizes I need. > > Doane > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051011/42862141/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:39:23 +0100 > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there is a > Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has done so > for the last 15 years or so. > > So, I thought that I would take my £3.51 (courtesy of Ebay) troubled BX-2 to > sort out. Took it in last Thursday and told him that there was an annoying > buzzing/hum and that the fast forward/rewind didn't want to work and that > replay was sort of OK but the sound was a bit muffled. Bowers and Wilkins > quoted £110-£140 to sort it. Now don't get me wrong, B & W are first class > Nakamichi service agents and did a fine job of upgrading and servicing my > BX-300. However, the cost of fixing the BX-2 by them was more than I thought > sensible not to mention the 65 miles each way drive, hence my search for a > local agent. At 2 miles away I don't think it could be much more "local". > > Well, today I got a call saying that they had repaired my Nak and was ready > for collection. Apparently the idle wheel needing replacing as well as the > tyre and additionally they replaced the belts whilst they were at it. > Investigating the buzz/hum they removed the motor, cleaned the armature, > repaired dry joints on the circuit board and repairing the earthing system. > Finally they cleaned the heads and transport and demagnetized everything, > reassembled and tested. Total labour was 3.5 hours. Oh and the cost, £15.80 > (UK sterling) for the parts and £42.00 for the labour. I consider this to be > a very reasonable charge with the job done in very quick time. > > Oh the how does it sound. Well, I am listening to the recording that I made > on my Aiwa deck over 23 years ago of the Queen album "Sheer Heart Attack". > Wow, I'd forgotten how good that album sounded, both through my Senheiser HD > 420 headphones and through my Cambridge Soundworks computer based speakers > (4.1 system). I must remind myself that this is a humble BX-2 being played > on low-Fi in my study. > > That's it, I am definitely commissioning the BX-300 and Nakamichi Receiver 1 > this coming week that have been waiting to be installed. I have been putting > it off as the children are still small (4 & 6) but what the heck, at 61 > years of age my ears aren't going to get any better so let's just enjoy it > whilst I can. > > Now, where's that "Wish You Were Here" tape I made 23 years ago from my half > speed master recorded LP? > > Shaun > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 27 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 12 17:26:18 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:26:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. In-Reply-To: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <434D2B1A.8030609@yahoo.ca> I just got my BX-2 for 86 USD off eBay, it was just serviced, but still not working. But, I just had to clean the commutator of the cam motor to make it work. The price of the unit is the same as the price of service, which is great! I have gear mod already done on mine. So there's no need to replace the idler. Shaun Montgomery a écrit : >A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there is a >Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has done so >for the last 15 years or so. > >So, I thought that I would take my £3.51 (courtesy of Ebay) troubled BX-2 to >sort out. Took it in last Thursday and told him that there was an annoying >buzzing/hum and that the fast forward/rewind didn't want to work and that >replay was sort of OK but the sound was a bit muffled. Bowers and Wilkins >quoted £110-£140 to sort it. Now don't get me wrong, B & W are first class >Nakamichi service agents and did a fine job of upgrading and servicing my >BX-300. However, the cost of fixing the BX-2 by them was more than I thought >sensible not to mention the 65 miles each way drive, hence my search for a >local agent. At 2 miles away I don't think it could be much more "local". > >Well, today I got a call saying that they had repaired my Nak and was ready >for collection. Apparently the idle wheel needing replacing as well as the >tyre and additionally they replaced the belts whilst they were at it. >Investigating the buzz/hum they removed the motor, cleaned the armature, >repaired dry joints on the circuit board and repairing the earthing system. >Finally they cleaned the heads and transport and demagnetized everything, >reassembled and tested. Total labour was 3.5 hours. Oh and the cost, £15.80 >(UK sterling) for the parts and £42.00 for the labour. I consider this to be >a very reasonable charge with the job done in very quick time. > >Oh the how does it sound. Well, I am listening to the recording that I made >on my Aiwa deck over 23 years ago of the Queen album "Sheer Heart Attack". >Wow, I'd forgotten how good that album sounded, both through my Senheiser HD >420 headphones and through my Cambridge Soundworks computer based speakers >(4.1 system). I must remind myself that this is a humble BX-2 being played >on low-Fi in my study. > >That's it, I am definitely commissioning the BX-300 and Nakamichi Receiver 1 >this coming week that have been waiting to be installed. I have been putting >it off as the children are still small (4 & 6) but what the heck, at 61 >years of age my ears aren't going to get any better so let's just enjoy it >whilst I can. > >Now, where's that "Wish You Were Here" tape I made 23 years ago from my half >speed master recorded LP? > >Shaun > > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 12 17:29:19 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:29:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434D2BCF.3090003@yahoo.ca> The list was attached in the first post, but a CSV file is not always easy to read if you don't have the appropriate software. BTW, WIMA are good caps. Doane Hoag a écrit : >I now see that my list can not be attached to this forum post, so here is >what I'm looking for. Nakamachi has these all listed as PP in the schematic >list except the last two, as I have noted, and they are all about .25" (1/4" >6mm) wide: > >Audio Dolby & Line Amp Left & Right matched Circuits: > >polyprop 100v .003u (3000pf) >polyprop 100v .033uf >polyprop 100v .0018uf (1800pf) >polyprop 100v .00033uf (330pf) > >Bias & Tone Oscillator Circuits > >polyprop 100v .068uf >polyprop 100v .022uf >polyprop 100v .0047uf (4700pf) >polyprop 100v .018uf >mica 50v .00033uf (330pf) >mylar 50v .056uf > >This list is in an XL sheet here: http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.xls > >Here is a jpg photo of some of the caps for size reference... the biggest >one, the .068uf, is only about .4" (about 3/8" or 10mm) in width, while most >of them are about .25" (1/4" or about 6mm) in width. The .056uf darker one >in the top center is apparently a mylar cap, according to the Nak schematic. >http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.jpg > >Thanks, >Doane > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 12 17:46:48 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:46:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. In-Reply-To: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Shaun: Glad you got it sorted out, and for a very reasonable price! I used to have a BX-2, very good sound, course, all the Naks sound good. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:39 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there is a Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has done so for the last 15 years or so. So, I thought that I would take my £3.51 (courtesy of Ebay) troubled BX-2 to sort out. Took it in last Thursday and told him that there was an annoying buzzing/hum and that the fast forward/rewind didn't want to work and that replay was sort of OK but the sound was a bit muffled. Bowers and Wilkins quoted £110-£140 to sort it. Now don't get me wrong, B & W are first class Nakamichi service agents and did a fine job of upgrading and servicing my BX-300. However, the cost of fixing the BX-2 by them was more than I thought sensible not to mention the 65 miles each way drive, hence my search for a local agent. At 2 miles away I don't think it could be much more "local". Well, today I got a call saying that they had repaired my Nak and was ready for collection. Apparently the idle wheel needing replacing as well as the tyre and additionally they replaced the belts whilst they were at it. Investigating the buzz/hum they removed the motor, cleaned the armature, repaired dry joints on the circuit board and repairing the earthing system. Finally they cleaned the heads and transport and demagnetized everything, reassembled and tested. Total labour was 3.5 hours. Oh and the cost, £15.80 (UK sterling) for the parts and £42.00 for the labour. I consider this to be a very reasonable charge with the job done in very quick time. Oh the how does it sound. Well, I am listening to the recording that I made on my Aiwa deck over 23 years ago of the Queen album "Sheer Heart Attack". Wow, I'd forgotten how good that album sounded, both through my Senheiser HD 420 headphones and through my Cambridge Soundworks computer based speakers (4.1 system). I must remind myself that this is a humble BX-2 being played on low-Fi in my study. That's it, I am definitely commissioning the BX-300 and Nakamichi Receiver 1 this coming week that have been waiting to be installed. I have been putting it off as the children are still small (4 & 6) but what the heck, at 61 years of age my ears aren't going to get any better so let's just enjoy it whilst I can. Now, where's that "Wish You Were Here" tape I made 23 years ago from my half speed master recorded LP? Shaun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 12 23:23:23 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:23:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? Message-ID: <434D7ECB.5090005@yahoo.ca> Hi everybody, I'd like to start to record FM and maybe CD using my BX-2. What I have: 2x Maxell XLII 90 2x Sony CD-IT 3x TDK SA90 (I might find a couple of others if I search more) 1x TDK SA60 1x TDK D90 2x BASF Ferro-Extra I What I can buy locally: Sony UX-Pro Maxell XLII TDK SA What's good and what's bad? (There's also some super cheap bulk SKMA UCX Type-A tapes on Tapes.com, any comments on these?) Cheers, Antoine -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 13 00:01:46 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:01:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. In-Reply-To: <434D2B1A.8030609@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <000701c5cf78$8b159600$7300a8c0@Shaun> Great value for a really nice two head deck. Let's hope they stay working for a while! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 12 October 2005 16:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music to my ears. I just got my BX-2 for 86 USD off eBay, it was just serviced, but still not working. But, I just had to clean the commutator of the cam motor to make it work. The price of the unit is the same as the price of service, which is great! I have gear mod already done on mine. So there's no need to replace the idler. Shaun Montgomery a écrit : >A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there >is a Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has >done so for the last 15 years or so From ktl at bornet.net Thu Oct 13 00:03:23 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:03:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added Message-ID: Users Manual for 1000 ZXL added. Uploaded by Ken With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 13 04:24:35 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:24:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <434D7ECB.5090005@yahoo.ca> References: <434D7ECB.5090005@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <434DC563.8040909@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi everybody, > I'd like to start to record FM and maybe CD using my BX-2. > > What I have: > 2x Maxell XLII 90 > 2x Sony CD-IT > 3x TDK SA90 (I might find a couple of others if I search more) > 1x TDK SA60 > 1x TDK D90 > 2x BASF Ferro-Extra I I like the Maxell XLII and TDK SA cassettes. (IME, the Maxell is a hair better, but quality tends to vary from bunch to bunch. At the moment I have about 25 blanks, about half of which are metal (TDK MA), so I am all set for a while. I also have a stock of TDK D cassettes that I am not crazy about, but reserve for speech and lo-fi recordings. Don't know anything about the Sony tape. -- Ron > What I can buy locally: > Sony UX-Pro > Maxell XLII > TDK SA > > What's good and what's bad? > > (There's also some super cheap bulk SKMA UCX Type-A tapes on Tapes.com, > any comments on these?) > > Cheers, > Antoine > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 13 04:27:53 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:27:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434DC629.7020807@rcn.com> Tried to look at the file and got a 'You don't have permission to access /files/1000_zxl.pdf on this server' error. -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > Users Manual for 1000 ZXL added. > Uploaded by Ken > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 13 00:22:03 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:22:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. In-Reply-To: <000701c5cf78$8b159600$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000701c5cf78$8b159600$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <434D8C8B.5080306@yahoo.ca> As long as we don't talk about the features, yes, it's a good deck. Coincidently, I was about to listen to The Doors Greatest Hits on tape when the first tune of the side 1 started playing off an FM station. All I can say is that the Nak had slightly more highs, but, apart from that, they sounded exactly the same. (dolby off, 120µsec) Pretty impressive for these neglected audio tapes! The only other problem I have had so far is the highs on the left channel of "Nirvana - In Utero". Sometimes, it's OK, sometimes, I can't make anything, sometimes, I re-insert the tape and it's OK. It sounds like a poorly adjusted azimuth, but only on that tape. Shaun Montgomery a écrit : >Great value for a really nice two head deck. Let's hope they stay working >for a while! > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Antoine Deschênes >Sent: 12 October 2005 16:26 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music to my ears. > > >I just got my BX-2 for 86 USD off eBay, it was just serviced, but still >not working. But, I just had to clean the commutator of the cam motor to >make it work. The price of the unit is the same as the price of service, >which is great! I have gear mod already done on mine. So there's no need >to replace the idler. > >Shaun Montgomery a écrit : > > > >>A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there >>is a Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has >>done so for the last 15 years or so >> >> -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 13 01:19:15 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:19:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <004301c5cf2a$fa24d0e0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: Thanks, Paul: I've had answers from Mouser and Digi-Key now and it looks like I'm finally getting the order together. I was also told by Jeff Galen at Nakamichi Electronic Service Labs that the Metalized Polypropylene are what Nakamichi calls for and are best if I can get them, so will try to get them if I can, but it looks like, as you said, that a lot of people are substituting the polyester ones. I really appreciate everyone's help on this. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Dingle Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 27 > 1. Re: HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? I can testify for the Panasonic ECQ-B polyester caps: Stephen Sank used them on my modded CR7, and routinely uses them for Naks (unless you want his CR7 "ultra" as he calls it. I saw pics of one prepared for a customer in Hong Kong with all its bits of exotica, and coveted it greatly!). On his advice, I used them to do a "pre-emptive" replacement on my LX3. Sonically, I could tell no difference before and after. I've ordered from both Digikey and Moyer Electronics--both are very helpful and swift in delivery. Best, Paul Dingle > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:55:40 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <434BB64C.8060302 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Polypropylene caps are indeed the best kind for audio > work. Unfortunately, they are physically large, > compared to other types of film capacitors of the same > values. > > I am not sure what the original orange caps are, they > are certainly some kind of film caps, but I doubt they > are polypropylene -- they are physically too small. > > I have bought polypropylene capacitors from both Digi- > Key (they carry Panansonic) and Mouser. I used those > from Digi-Key to install the EQ modification in a > CR-7. For this job, I used 1% and -- when not > available -- 2% caps. For non-filtering applications, > 5% caps are more than enough. I also have a complete > kit for original orange cap replacement in my own CR-7. > Can't recall where I got them, probably Digi-Key. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table pulled out > > of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his > > sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need > > throusands of caps for this one deck! > > Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, and > > that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other caps, > > so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent > > polypropylene. > > > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone please > > help? > > > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this attached XL > > file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post it in > > this thread). > > > > Thanks, > > Doane > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:29:58 -0400 > From: Derrick Beckner > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051011092901.01c21cf8 at psulias.psu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Thanks for all the input on R-R decks. Seems to be quite a plethora of > choices out there! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:35:38 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Antoine: > > Sorry I did not answer you... I checked on the Vishay-Sprauge caps "orange > drop" page you referenced. The problem is that in the "orange drop" > polypropropylene 5% list there are none that will fill the bill as they > start at 200v and are all physically way to big, starting at .75" or 3/4" > in width and the "orange drop" polyester ones listed on that page are also > physically too big starting at .7". > On the next page, however, I did find a list of WIMA 5% polypropylene caps. > One of these, a .003u, will work for the audio L/R circuits and two will > work for the bias and tone oscillator circuits, but I would still need 5% pp > caps .003u, .0018u, .00033u for the audio circuits, and .068u, .018u, for > the oscillator circuits, which I think could just as well be other polyester > 10%, so mainily it's the audio circuit caps I need above in pp 5% at Mouser. > > When I get a chance I'll look some more on their site though. > > Thanks, > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > > > Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > Scott Johnson a écrit : > Check out my web page > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" > polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the > Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and > are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester > caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't > noticeable affect the sound. > > SJ > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > pulled out > of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > his > sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > need > throusands of caps for this one deck! > Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > Polypropylene, and > that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > other caps, > so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > equivalent > polypropylene. > > I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > someone please > help? > > I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > attached XL > file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > it in > this thread). > > Thanks, > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:50:10 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <434BA6F2.2050301 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't know why, one reply on two is not posted... > > Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > > > Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > > > I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > > "Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > > > Scott Johnson a écrit : > > > >>Check out my web page > >>http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >>and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" > >>polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the > >>Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and > >>are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester > >>caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't > >>noticeable affect the sound. > >> > >>SJ > >> > >>--- Doane Hoag wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > >>>pulled out > >>>of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > >>> > >>>I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > >>>his > >>>sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > >>>need > >>>throusands of caps for this one deck! > >>>Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > >>>Polypropylene, and > >>>that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > >>>other caps, > >>>so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > >>>equivalent > >>>polypropylene. > >>> > >>>I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > >>>someone please > >>>help? > >>> > >>>I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > >>>attached XL > >>>file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > >>>it in > >>>this thread). > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>>Doane > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >>http://mail.yahoo.com > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 09/10/2005 > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051011/26dd5e8e/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:15:38 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <434C1D6A.80904 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Orange Drops are the only bright orange caps. SBE(Sold under Vishay > Sprague name) 715P series Orange Drops are the only polyprop. you can > find @ Mouser: > > http://www.mouser.com/catalog/623/595.pdf > > http://www.sbelectronics.com/ are now the mfgs of the Orange Drops so > you might find some caps exactly like yours somewhere in the product lines. > > The 715P series are 5% polypropylenes(What you search for) and are known > as pretty good (cheap) polyprops. to people upgrading old EICO tube > amps. Note that there are also some 10% polystyrenes (225P series). The > 225P are supposed to be equivalent to the light yellow Mallory "150" series. > > The biggest cap in 200VDC is $1.09. Pretty cheap! > > For sure these are not polyester ones, they are supposed to last 40+ years. > > > Ron a écrit : > > > > > Polypropylene caps are indeed the best kind for audio > > work. Unfortunately, they are physically large, > > compared to other types of film capacitors of the same > > values. > > > > I am not sure what the original orange caps are, they > > are certainly some kind of film caps, but I doubt they > > are polypropylene -- they are physically too small. > > > > I have bought polypropylene capacitors from both Digi- > > Key (they carry Panansonic) and Mouser. I used those > > from Digi-Key to install the EQ modification in a > > CR-7. For this job, I used 1% and -- when not > > available -- 2% caps. For non-filtering applications, > > 5% caps are more than enough. I also have a complete > > kit for original orange cap replacement in my own CR-7. > > Can't recall where I got them, probably Digi-Key. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >> OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > >> pulled out > >> of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > >> > >> I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked his > >> sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't need > >> throusands of caps for this one deck! > >> Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are Polypropylene, > >> and > >> that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or other > >> caps, > >> so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or equivalent > >> polypropylene. > >> > >> I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can someone > >> please > >> help? > >> > >> I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > >> attached XL > >> file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > >> it in > >> this thread). > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Doane > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:44:42 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <434C243A.8020602 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Maybe you could ask some 715P 100VDC 1% "samples" directly from SBE? > > My BX-2 is filled with (from what I've found) Mallory 150 but I'm not > sure. These are giant, but there's space for them. > > Doane Hoag a écrit : > > >Antoine: > > > >Sorry I did not answer you... I checked on the Vishay-Sprauge caps "orange > >drop" page you referenced. The problem is that in the "orange drop" > >polypropropylene 5% list there are none that will fill the bill as they > >start at 200v and are all physically way to big, starting at .75" or 3/4" > >in width and the "orange drop" polyester ones listed on that page are also > >physically too big starting at .7". > >On the next page, however, I did find a list of WIMA 5% polypropylene caps. > >One of these, a .003u, will work for the audio L/R circuits and two will > >work for the bias and tone oscillator circuits, but I would still need 5% pp > >caps .003u, .0018u, .00033u for the audio circuits, and .068u, .018u, for > >the oscillator circuits, which I think could just as well be other polyester > >10%, so mainily it's the audio circuit caps I need above in pp 5% at Mouser. > > > >When I get a chance I'll look some more on their site though. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Antoine Deschênes > >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > > > > > >Testing... can you read this? Please tell me. > > > >I don't know if someone read the reply but I think these are Vishay's > >"Orange Drops" they are the same orange and are polyprop. too. > > > >Scott Johnson a écrit : > >Check out my web page > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >and scroll down to "Orange Cap Disease" > >polypropylene caps are available from Digikey. Check out the > >Panasonic ECQ-E series. They are bigger than the original caps and > >are not really recommended. Use the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester > >caps. They are similar in size to the orange caps and don't > >noticeable affect the sound. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > >OK... I've got this pile of orange capacitors sitting on my table > >pulled out > >of my ZX-7 and I can't find the replacements, anywhere. > > > >I had a good talk with Jeff at CalCap, he tried to help and checked > >his > >sources, but he can only get them in lots of about 1000... I don't > >need > >throusands of caps for this one deck! > >Incidentally, he also told me that the orange caps are > >Polypropylene, and > >that they have much cleaner sound then polystyrene or mica, or > >other caps, > >so I should try to get the same PP caps as Nakamichi used, or > >equivalent > >polypropylene. > > > >I checked at Digi-Key, Mouser, MCM, I'm not finding them. Can > >someone please > >help? > > > >I attached a list of what I need, it's circuit, etc. (If this > >attached XL > >file doesn't make it through to the forum, I'll have to try to post > >it in > >this thread). > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:15:36 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I now see that my list can not be attached to this forum post, so here is > what I'm looking for. Nakamachi has these all listed as PP in the schematic > list except the last two, as I have noted, and they are all about .25" (1/4" > 6mm) wide: > > Audio Dolby & Line Amp Left & Right matched Circuits: > > polyprop 100v .003u (3000pf) > polyprop 100v .033uf > polyprop 100v .0018uf (1800pf) > polyprop 100v .00033uf (330pf) > > Bias & Tone Oscillator Circuits > > polyprop 100v .068uf > polyprop 100v .022uf > polyprop 100v .0047uf (4700pf) > polyprop 100v .018uf > mica 50v .00033uf (330pf) > mylar 50v .056uf > > This list is in an XL sheet here: http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.xls > > Here is a jpg photo of some of the caps for size reference... the biggest > one, the .068uf, is only about .4" (about 3/8" or 10mm) in width, while most > of them are about .25" (1/4" or about 6mm) in width. The .056uf darker one > in the top center is apparently a mylar cap, according to the Nak schematic. > http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.jpg > > Thanks, > Doane > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:15:35 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Antoine: > > It's very hard to communicate on this forum because there is such a time lag > from when I send and when it actually gets posted... sorry. > > Anyway, I commented above on your first posts: the Mouser "orange drop" caps > you mention, the page 595, 715p 5% polyprop series, or the 225p 10% > polyester series are both physically too big to use, they start at .7" > (about 3/4") in width. However, on the next page 596 it does have another 5% > polypropylene type "WIMA" series and these will work for two of the caps I > need and they are both around the physical size of the original ones I > pulled out, about .25" (1/4" 6mm) in width. I just still need to find the > following sizes in a 5% 100v Polyprop: .0018u (1800p), .003u (3000p) I think > for the oscillator circuits I can use the 10% polyester with no problems > > Doane > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:21:54 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: [naktalk] HELP! - Source of Capacitors for ZX-7??? > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thomas: > > Thanks for the link, but I couldn't find most of the ones I'm looking for > there, unless I just missed it. > See my other post in this thread where I listed the sizes I need. > > Doane > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051011/42862141/at tachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:39:23 +0100 > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > Subject: [naktalk] Music to my ears. > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000501c5ceb4$a1aa39d0$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A couple of days ago I reported that in Christchurch, Dorset, UK there is a > Hi-Fi shop called M.D.Audio-Visual that services Nak decks and has done so > for the last 15 years or so. > > So, I thought that I would take my £3.51 (courtesy of Ebay) troubled BX-2 to > sort out. Took it in last Thursday and told him that there was an annoying > buzzing/hum and that the fast forward/rewind didn't want to work and that > replay was sort of OK but the sound was a bit muffled. Bowers and Wilkins > quoted £110-£140 to sort it. Now don't get me wrong, B & W are first class > Nakamichi service agents and did a fine job of upgrading and servicing my > BX-300. However, the cost of fixing the BX-2 by them was more than I thought > sensible not to mention the 65 miles each way drive, hence my search for a > local agent. At 2 miles away I don't think it could be much more "local". > > Well, today I got a call saying that they had repaired my Nak and was ready > for collection. Apparently the idle wheel needing replacing as well as the > tyre and additionally they replaced the belts whilst they were at it. > Investigating the buzz/hum they removed the motor, cleaned the armature, > repaired dry joints on the circuit board and repairing the earthing system. > Finally they cleaned the heads and transport and demagnetized everything, > reassembled and tested. Total labour was 3.5 hours. Oh and the cost, £15.80 > (UK sterling) for the parts and £42.00 for the labour. I consider this to be > a very reasonable charge with the job done in very quick time. > > Oh the how does it sound. Well, I am listening to the recording that I made > on my Aiwa deck over 23 years ago of the Queen album "Sheer Heart Attack". > Wow, I'd forgotten how good that album sounded, both through my Senheiser HD > 420 headphones and through my Cambridge Soundworks computer based speakers > (4.1 system). I must remind myself that this is a humble BX-2 being played > on low-Fi in my study. > > That's it, I am definitely commissioning the BX-300 and Nakamichi Receiver 1 > this coming week that have been waiting to be installed. I have been putting > it off as the children are still small (4 & 6) but what the heck, at 61 > years of age my ears aren't going to get any better so let's just enjoy it > whilst I can. > > Now, where's that "Wish You Were Here" tape I made 23 years ago from my half > speed master recorded LP? > > Shaun > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 27 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 13 01:49:39 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:49:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <434D7ECB.5090005@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Antoine: I've used mainly TDK SA and SAX for about 30 years and they seem to be the closest to what Nakamichi intended for their deck to operate with ( I think TDK made their tape). The TDK D90 would be good for simple FM recording, as the response of FM is not all that great, so no point spending more money for type II tape, unless you really want to. Be sure to use your multiplex filter recording fm, if you have one. Metal tape has higher output then the the type II, but like I said, for most good music from CDs or records, a really good quality type II like the TDK should suffice. With the BX2, since you have no bias or levels or head adjustment, I would set it up for the TDK and stick with that, if it's already set up to the Nak standard tape, you really don't need to do anything. But if you switch to the Maxell, or Sony and decide to use their tapes, for best quality you might want to have your deck adjusted/tweaked for their tape types. Maxell doesn't have quite the output of the TDK in equivalent tape types, the Sony UXpro type II with their ceramic guide was excellent tape and I started using it instead of TDKSAX, it had slightly higher output. I would personally rate the TDK SAX, SA or Sony UXPro as much better then the Maxell XLII, and better then Maxell UDXLII (if you can even find them anywhere for sale these days) BUT... you might also want to look at the Quantegy type II http://www.store.yahoo.com/protape/c-90-type-ii.html someone here, Kermit?, was really talking them up and the price is good.. I don't know myself, I haven't had a chance to try them, and the big question for you is whether they are going to be close enough in levels/bias requirements for your BX2 without having to have it adjusted for that brand. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:23 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? Hi everybody, I'd like to start to record FM and maybe CD using my BX-2. What I have: 2x Maxell XLII 90 2x Sony CD-IT 3x TDK SA90 (I might find a couple of others if I search more) 1x TDK SA60 1x TDK D90 2x BASF Ferro-Extra I What I can buy locally: Sony UX-Pro Maxell XLII TDK SA What's good and what's bad? (There's also some super cheap bulk SKMA UCX Type-A tapes on Tapes.com, any comments on these?) Cheers, Antoine -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ktl at bornet.net Thu Oct 13 07:14:32 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:14:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: <434DC629.7020807@rcn.com> Message-ID: Fixed, thanks Ron. I'm running FEDORA4 on the server and it is this SELINUX-stuff that from time to time Causes problem. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:28 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Tried to look at the file and got a 'You don't have > permission to access /files/1000_zxl.pdf on this > server' error. > > -- Ron > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Users Manual for 1000 ZXL added. > > Uploaded by Ken > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 09:38:01 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051013073801.26899.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tomas, Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from Active to Warn. Do you still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent to you? Regards Bala Tomas Larsson wrote: Fixed, thanks Ron. I'm running FEDORA4 on the server and it is this SELINUX-stuff that from time to time Causes problem. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:28 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Tried to look at the file and got a 'You don't have > permission to access /files/1000_zxl.pdf on this > server' error. > > -- Ron > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Users Manual for 1000 ZXL added. > > Uploaded by Ken > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, me thinks. Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals for the 1k, one 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. So I assume you mean the first one. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added Hi Tomas, Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from Active to Warn. Do you still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent to you? Regards Bala Tomas Larsson wrote: Fixed, thanks Ron. I'm running FEDORA4 on the server and it is this SELINUX-stuff that from time to time Causes problem. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:28 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Tried to look at the file and got a 'You don't have > permission to access /files/1000_zxl.pdf on this > server' error. > > -- Ron > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Users Manual for 1000 ZXL added. > > Uploaded by Ken > > > > With best regards > > >! > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 11:29:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051013092934.34134.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tomas, Yes, it will help. Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. Regards Bala Tomas Larsson wrote: Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to the HTTP-Download area, and if I forget to change the security context of the file. I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, me thinks. Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals for the 1k, one 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. So I assume you mean the first one. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added Hi Tomas, Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from Active to Warn. Do you still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent to you? Regards Bala Tomas Larsson wrote: Fixed, thanks Ron. I'm running FEDORA4 on the server and it is this SELINUX-stuff that from time to time Causes problem. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:28 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Tried to look at the file and got a 'You don't have > permission to access /files/1000_zxl.pdf on this > server' error. > > -- Ron > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Users Manual for 1000 ZXL added. > > Uploaded by Ken > > > > With best regards > > >! > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added Hi Tomas, Yes, it will help. Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. Regards Bala Tomas Larsson wrote: Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to the HTTP-Download area, and if I forget to change the security context of the file. I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, me thinks. Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals for the 1k, one 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. So I assume you mean the first one. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added Hi Tomas, Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from Active to Warn. Do you still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent to you? Regards Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 13 17:15:55 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:15:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434E7A2B.8020207@yahoo.ca> Great, I mostly just have TDK SA tapes. I think I'll stick with these and SA-X. In fact, what is the bias of the Nak? Always High, Low, or something else? I also have an other tape drive (Toshiba) with fixed bias, I don't know what setting it is. Type I is practically hard to find these days. Doane Hoag a écrit : >Antoine: > >I've used mainly TDK SA and SAX for about 30 years and they seem to be the >closest to what Nakamichi intended for their deck to operate with ( I think >TDK made their tape). The TDK D90 would be good for simple FM recording, as >the response of FM is not all that great, so no point spending more money >for type II tape, unless you really want to. Be sure to use your multiplex >filter recording fm, if you have one. > >Metal tape has higher output then the the type II, but like I said, for most >good music from CDs or records, a really good quality type II like the TDK >should suffice. > >With the BX2, since you have no bias or levels or head adjustment, I would >set it up for the TDK and stick with that, if it's already set up to the Nak >standard tape, you really don't need to do anything. But if you switch to >the Maxell, or Sony and decide to use their tapes, for best quality you >might want to have your deck adjusted/tweaked for their tape types. Maxell >doesn't have quite the output of the TDK in equivalent tape types, the Sony >UXpro type II with their ceramic guide was excellent tape and I started >using it instead of TDKSAX, it had slightly higher output. I would >personally rate the TDK SAX, SA or Sony UXPro as much better then the Maxell >XLII, and better then Maxell UDXLII (if you can even find them anywhere for >sale these days) > >BUT... you might also want to look at the Quantegy type II >http://www.store.yahoo.com/protape/c-90-type-ii.html someone here, Kermit?, >was really talking them up and the price is good.. I don't know myself, I >haven't had a chance to try them, and the big question for you is whether >they are going to be close enough in levels/bias requirements for your BX2 >without having to have it adjusted for that brand. > >Doane > > > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 17:31:43 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051013153143.43393.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would scan and send. Would it be helpful? Bala --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > Then Its online > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu > for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Hi Tomas, > > Yes, it will help. > > Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. > > Regards > Bala > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to > the HTTP-Download area, > and if I forget to change the security context of > the file. > I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, > me thinks. > > Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals > for the 1k, one > 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. > So I assume you mean the first one. > > > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu > for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > > > Hi Tomas, > > Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from > Active to Warn. Do you > still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent > to you? > > Regards > Bala > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 13 17:48:12 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:48:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008c01c5d00d$84acda40$b49d87d9@oemcomputer> Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if I'm deaf to that frequency! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > . Be sure to use your multiplex > filter recording fm, if you have one. > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 13 18:38:08 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:38:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <434E7A2B.8020207@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Antoine: On the BX-2 you have no control of the bias or levels, this is preset at the factory, or can be adjusted by a tech for specific tapes that are different in output. It is setup, basically, by inputting a 400hz and a 15hz tone at a certain level, and then adjusting some internal resistor pots to show a correct level on your meters. But, like I said, Nakamichi recommends TDK (closest to thier Nak brand), Maxel, and I think, Fuji, as all compatible. So any of these are going to work well. For playback or recording you want to set your Equalization switch to either 120us (micro seconds) for the EX (Type I) tapes like the TDK D, or to 70us for SX (type II) like the TDK SA or SAX or for ZX (type III metal) like the TDK MA For recording only, you want to be sure to set your tape selector switch to EX, SX, or ZX (see above); this sets the proper bias and levels for output and Dolby tracking for those tapes and is VERY important. On some other Nak decks, like my ZX-7, these tones are built into the deck and the user can easily set this up himself, giving him the ability to choose any brand of tape he wants to use and fine tune the three basic settings, and also to even correct for small differences, tape to tape, or tape batch to batch if he wants to. When I did recordings I was probably a bit fanatical, I would always set these tape to tape, and even side a to side b, because I could also adjust my record head azimuth with the ZX-7 Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:16 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good tape? Great, I mostly just have TDK SA tapes. I think I'll stick with these and SA-X. In fact, what is the bias of the Nak? Always High, Low, or something else? I also have an other tape drive (Toshiba) with fixed bias, I don't know what setting it is. Type I is practically hard to find these days. Doane Hoag a écrit : >Antoine: > >I've used mainly TDK SA and SAX for about 30 years and they seem to be the >closest to what Nakamichi intended for their deck to operate with ( I think >TDK made their tape). The TDK D90 would be good for simple FM recording, as >the response of FM is not all that great, so no point spending more money >for type II tape, unless you really want to. Be sure to use your multiplex >filter recording fm, if you have one. > >Metal tape has higher output then the the type II, but like I said, for most >good music from CDs or records, a really good quality type II like the TDK >should suffice. > >With the BX2, since you have no bias or levels or head adjustment, I would >set it up for the TDK and stick with that, if it's already set up to the Nak >standard tape, you really don't need to do anything. But if you switch to >the Maxell, or Sony and decide to use their tapes, for best quality you >might want to have your deck adjusted/tweaked for their tape types. Maxell >doesn't have quite the output of the TDK in equivalent tape types, the Sony >UXpro type II with their ceramic guide was excellent tape and I started >using it instead of TDKSAX, it had slightly higher output. I would >personally rate the TDK SAX, SA or Sony UXPro as much better then the Maxell >XLII, and better then Maxell UDXLII (if you can even find them anywhere for >sale these days) > >BUT... you might also want to look at the Quantegy type II >http://www.store.yahoo.com/protape/c-90-type-ii.html someone here, Kermit?, >was really talking them up and the price is good.. I don't know myself, I >haven't had a chance to try them, and the big question for you is whether >they are going to be close enough in levels/bias requirements for your BX2 >without having to have it adjusted for that brand. > >Doane > > > -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Thu Oct 13 20:30:29 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:30:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: <20051013153143.43393.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala. I think I will put anything I can get my hands on, on my server. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 5:32 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would > scan and send. Would it be helpful? > > Bala > > --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Then Its online > > > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu > > for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > > > > > Hi Tomas, > > > > Yes, it will help. > > > > Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. > > > > Regards > > Bala > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > > Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to > > the HTTP-Download area, > > and if I forget to change the security context of > > the file. > > I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, > > me thinks. > > > > Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals > > for the 1k, one > > 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. > > So I assume you mean the first one. > > > > > > > > > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu > > for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tomas, > > > > Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from > > Active to Warn. Do you > > still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent > > to you? > > > > Regards > > Bala > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 13 21:13:37 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:13:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <008c01c5d00d$84acda40$b49d87d9@oemcomputer> References: <008c01c5d00d$84acda40$b49d87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <434EB1E1.6000308@yahoo.ca> Either you don't hear that frequency, or your tuner has a low-pass filter to stop the sound. I think that if the MPX filter is not there, it could affect the other frequencies. If you don't hear a high-pitched whine when a standard CRT TV is on, you will not hear it. Nelson a écrit : >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if >I'm deaf to that frequency! > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Doane Hoag >>Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >> >> >> >> >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > >>filter recording fm, if you have one. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Oct 13 21:16:13 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:16:13 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added References: Message-ID: <004001c5d02a$93ffdcf0$e94d98de@tec> Hi Tomas I just checked your site which is now much easier to use. Nice to see my copy of the 600 service manual there! Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > Hi Bala. > I think I will put anything I can get my hands on, on my server. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 5:32 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> >> >> Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would >> scan and send. Would it be helpful? >> >> Bala >> >> --- Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> > Then Its online >> > >> > >> > With best regards >> > >> > Tomas Larsson >> > Sweden >> > http://www.naks.mine.nu >> > for downloads etc. >> > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >> > >> > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Tomas, >> > >> > Yes, it will help. >> > >> > Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. >> > >> > Regards >> > Bala >> > >> > Tomas Larsson wrote: >> > >> > Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to >> > the HTTP-Download area, >> > and if I forget to change the security context of >> > the file. >> > I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, >> > me thinks. >> > >> > Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals >> > for the 1k, one >> > 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. >> > So I assume you mean the first one. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > With best regards >> > >> > Tomas Larsson >> > Sweden >> > http://www.naks.mine.nu >> > for downloads etc. >> > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >> > >> > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Tomas, >> > >> > Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from >> > Active to Warn. Do you >> > still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent >> > to you? >> > >> > Regards >> > Bala >> > >> > > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 13 21:20:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:20:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <008c01c5d00d$84acda40$b49d87d9@oemcomputer> References: <008c01c5d00d$84acda40$b49d87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <434EB37A.1050002@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' The FM multiplex filter prevents the Dolby from mistracking because of excess energy from the 15kc multiplex pilot tone. This keeps the distortion lower and reduces Dolby's tendency to dull the sound otherwise. Nelson wrote: > Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, > if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if > I'm deaf to that frequency! > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 13 21:39:36 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <008c01c5d00d$84acda40$b49d87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have felt it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if I'm deaf to that frequency! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > . Be sure to use your multiplex > filter recording fm, if you have one. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 13 22:05:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:05:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? Message-ID: Hi Doane! For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that >without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have >felt >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Nelson >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if >I'm deaf to that frequency! > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ktl at bornet.net Thu Oct 13 22:28:54 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:28:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: <004001c5d02a$93ffdcf0$e94d98de@tec> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sangster > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:16 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > Hi Tomas > > I just checked your site which is now much easier to use. > Nice to see my > copy of the 600 service manual there! > > Regards > > Donald > Yes, I agree, much more user-friendly. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem But I'm not 100% happy, menues are a little bit difficult to handle still, but it will improve. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 14 00:17:26 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051013221726.2732.qmail@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In the BX-2 there is only an MPX filter. Anyways, a subsonic filter is easy to build. --- Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Doane! > > For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX > filter...as I never > copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the > Subsonic filter I always > use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% > safe that NO > TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my > recordings! > > Be well! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > > > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm > carrier signal, which can > >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well > use it, it can't hurt, > >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular > recordings. I think that > >without it, you might get some pumping to the > sound, but I'm not sure, I > >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi > designers must have > >felt > >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. > :~) > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Nelson > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex > filter seemed to make much, > >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in > the UK. I'm wondering if > >I'm deaf to that frequency! > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Fri Oct 14 00:27:30 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:27:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual for ZX-7 Message-ID: <434EDF52.6060107@bresnan.net> Tom, I also could use a service manual for the ZX7. Thank You Bob From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Fri Oct 14 01:16:45 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:16:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <434EEADD.30802@bresnan.net> Stephan; Ae you still in the Nak repairing business? If so I have a few naks that need repair. Thank You Bob Gibson From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 14 01:19:24 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, but I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a rumble filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from my turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings themselves! I remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... maybe traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had to turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at loud levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it again with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) Doane ********************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? Hi Doane! For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that >without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have >felt >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Nelson >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if >I'm deaf to that frequency! > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:50:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:50:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <20051013221726.2732.qmail@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Merci...Antoine! As I wrote...,my Dragon has one...don't need an a "External" one! Be well! ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) > >In the BX-2 there is only an MPX filter. Anyways, a >subsonic filter is easy to build. > >--- Alex Cozac a �crit : > > > Hi Doane! > > > > For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX > > filter...as I never > > copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the > > Subsonic filter I always > > use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% > > safe that NO > > TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my > > recordings! > > > > Be well! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > > > > > > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm > > carrier signal, which can > > >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well > > use it, it can't hurt, > > >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular > > recordings. I think that > > >without it, you might get some pumping to the > > sound, but I'm not sure, I > > >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi > > designers must have > > >felt > > >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. > > :~) > > > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex > > filter seemed to make much, > > >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in > > the UK. I'm wondering if > > >I'm deaf to that frequency! > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >Antoine Desch�nes, >antdes45 at yahoo.ca > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >L�che-vitrine ou l�che-�cran ? >magasinage.yahoo.ca >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:58:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:58:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? Message-ID: Hi...my dear Doane! For that sole reason...exist the "Subsonic" filter...however in a "High End" turntable, it's not really needed...also here in Israel the floor are NOT "Parquet" or wood as in US. Is stone so almost NO rumble from the floor reflection. Also my Technics table is 100% well set up...so NO rumble at all, of course...IF the record has...so exist...but from the table DD drive Silence 100%! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:24 -0700 > >Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, but >I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a rumble >filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from my >turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings themselves! >I >remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was >recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... maybe >traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had >to >turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at loud >levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it again >with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) > >Doane > >********************************************************************* > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Hi Doane! > >For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never >copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always >use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO >TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! > >Be well! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > > > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can > >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, > >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that > >without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I > >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have > >felt > >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Nelson > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make >much, > >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering >if > >I'm deaf to that frequency! > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daveharris at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 14 11:13:46 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:13:46 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added References: <20051013153143.43393.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001c5d09f$959032c0$d35d65da@vurt> Hi Bala You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I have one on my bench getting the treart ment at the moment. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would > scan and send. Would it be helpful? > > Bala > > --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > >> Then Its online >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu >> for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> >> >> >> Hi Tomas, >> >> Yes, it will help. >> >> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. >> >> Regards >> Bala >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to >> the HTTP-Download area, >> and if I forget to change the security context of >> the file. >> I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, >> me thinks. >> >> Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals >> for the 1k, one >> 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. >> So I assume you mean the first one. >> >> >> >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu >> for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Tomas, >> >> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from >> Active to Warn. Do you >> still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent >> to you? >> >> Regards >> Bala >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: > 12/10/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005 From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Fri Oct 14 14:40:30 2005 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added Message-ID: <"USAMAML01-051014123941Z-486164*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for an LX-3... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of daveharris at clear.net.nz Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added Importance: Low Hi Bala You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I have one on my bench getting the treart ment at the moment. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would > scan and send. Would it be helpful? > > Bala > > --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > >> Then Its online >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu >> for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> >> >> >> Hi Tomas, >> >> Yes, it will help. >> >> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. >> >> Regards >> Bala >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to >> the HTTP-Download area, >> and if I forget to change the security context of >> the file. >> I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, >> me thinks. >> >> Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals >> for the 1k, one >> 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. >> So I assume you mean the first one. >> >> >> >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu >> for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Tomas, >> >> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from >> Active to Warn. Do you >> still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent >> to you? >> >> Regards >> Bala >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: > 12/10/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ktl at bornet.net Fri Oct 14 16:13:25 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:13:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: <"USAMAML01-051014123941Z-486164*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> Message-ID: Upload it to me, and I publish it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:41 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for > an LX-3... > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of daveharris at clear.net.nz > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > Importance: Low > > > Hi Bala > > You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I > have one on my > bench getting the treart ment at the moment. > > > Thanks > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would > > scan and send. Would it be helpful? > > > > Bala > > > > --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > >> Then Its online > >> > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > >> http://www.naks.mine.nu > >> for downloads etc. > >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > >> > >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Tomas, > >> > >> Yes, it will help. > >> > >> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. > >> > >> Regards > >> Bala > >> > >> Tomas Larsson wrote: > >> > >> Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to > >> the HTTP-Download area, > >> and if I forget to change the security context of > >> the file. > >> I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, > >> me thinks. > >> > >> Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals > >> for the 1k, one > >> 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. > >> So I assume you mean the first one. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > >> http://www.naks.mine.nu > >> for downloads etc. > >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > >> > >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Tomas, > >> > >> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from > >> Active to Warn. Do you > >> still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent > >> to you? > >> > >> Regards > >> Bala > >> > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: > > 12/10/2005 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release > Date: 12/10/2005 > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 14 18:29:13 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:29:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE-2 manual Message-ID: <434FDCD9.8020608@rcn.com> Still looking feverishly for the Nakamichi RE-2 receiver service (and/or owner's) manual. Anyone???? -- Ron From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 14 17:58:20 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:58:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Thomas: I think it's really neat you are doing this... I looked at the LX-5 service manual and it only has about half the pages.. it only goes to page 42 of the PDF = page 29 of the manual??? Just thought I would let you know. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:13 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added Upload it to me, and I publish it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:41 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for > an LX-3... > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of daveharris at clear.net.nz > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > Importance: Low > > > Hi Bala > > You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I > have one on my > bench getting the treart ment at the moment. > > > Thanks > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > > > Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would > > scan and send. Would it be helpful? > > > > Bala > > > > --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > >> Then Its online > >> > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > >> http://www.naks.mine.nu > >> for downloads etc. > >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > >> > >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Tomas, > >> > >> Yes, it will help. > >> > >> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. > >> > >> Regards > >> Bala > >> > >> Tomas Larsson wrote: > >> > >> Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to > >> the HTTP-Download area, > >> and if I forget to change the security context of > >> the file. > >> I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, > >> me thinks. > >> > >> Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals > >> for the 1k, one > >> 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. > >> So I assume you mean the first one. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > >> http://www.naks.mine.nu > >> for downloads etc. > >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > >> > >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Tomas, > >> > >> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from > >> Active to Warn. Do you > >> still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent > >> to you? > >> > >> Regards > >> Bala > >> > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Oct 14 19:35:59 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:35:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE-2 manual References: <434FDCD9.8020608@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000801c5d0e5$be0e3ee0$6401a8c0@desktop> Ron, I have the owners manual for the RE-1/2/3. (If you can call it that.) It's 8 pages long, and pretty basic -- nothing most of us couldn't figure out on our own. If you want it, let me know what format you prefer pdf, jpeg, MS Word or whatever. Sorry - no Service Manual These guys have them: http://www.antechlabs.com/servicemanuals.htm The page takes a while to load so be patient They're in St. Louis. You can e-mail 'em here avtrader at antechlabs.com -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE-2 manual > > Still looking feverishly for the Nakamichi RE-2 receiver > service (and/or owner's) manual. Anyone???? > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sat Oct 15 04:13:27 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:13:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added In-Reply-To: <"USAMAML01-051014123941Z-486164*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> References: <"USAMAML01-051014123941Z-486164*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> Message-ID: <45E63DF4-3D21-11DA-8425-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> Thomas i would be glad of a LX-3 owners manual. My email is wontulp at zoomnet.com.au A message to your email address did not get through. David On 14/10/2005, at 10:40 PM, Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov wrote: > Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for an LX-3... > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of daveharris at clear.net.nz > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > Importance: Low > > > Hi Bala > > You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I have one > on my > bench getting the treart ment at the moment. > > > Thanks > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > >> Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would >> scan and send. Would it be helpful? >> >> Bala >> >> --- Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>> Then Its online >>> >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> http://www.naks.mine.nu >>> for downloads etc. >>> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >>> >>> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Tomas, >>> >>> Yes, it will help. >>> >>> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala >>> >>> Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>> Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to >>> the HTTP-Download area, >>> and if I forget to change the security context of >>> the file. >>> I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, >>> me thinks. >>> >>> Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals >>> for the 1k, one >>> 1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. >>> So I assume you mean the first one. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> http://www.naks.mine.nu >>> for downloads etc. >>> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >>> >>> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Tomas, >>> >>> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from >>> Active to Warn. Do you >>> still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent >>> to you? >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala >>> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! >>> http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! 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Decent? From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 14 21:55:45 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:55:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Metal Tapes for sale References: <"USAMAML01-051014123941Z-486164*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014155244.01b2e638@psulias.psu.edu> SKC (whoever they are) still produces metal tapes for $7.50 a pop. Anyone tried them? Think I pick a couple up. http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/cgi-bin/pagegennew.pl?U+cassette+tuty3454+Type%20IV%20-%20Metal From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 15 02:09:55 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:09:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wish I was close enough to drop by and see all the beautiful equipment you have... and hear it! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? Hi...my dear Doane! For that sole reason...exist the "Subsonic" filter...however in a "High End" turntable, it's not really needed...also here in Israel the floor are NOT "Parquet" or wood as in US. Is stone so almost NO rumble from the floor reflection. Also my Technics table is 100% well set up...so NO rumble at all, of course...IF the record has...so exist...but from the table DD drive Silence 100%! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:24 -0700 > >Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, but >I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a rumble >filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from my >turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings themselves! >I >remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was >recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... maybe >traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had >to >turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at loud >levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it again >with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) > >Doane > >********************************************************************* > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Hi Doane! > >For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never >copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always >use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO >TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! > >Be well! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > > > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can > >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, > >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that > >without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I > >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have > >felt > >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Nelson > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make >much, > >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering >if > >I'm deaf to that frequency! > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 15 17:01:08 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:01:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435119B4.5060808@yahoo.ca> I also have a subsonic filter but it's only on the amplifier. At least, I can kill subsonics from any sources, but I can't prevent Dolby to screw up because of these(If it does). Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, but >I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a rumble >filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from my >turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings themselves! I >remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was >recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... maybe >traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had to >turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at loud >levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it again >with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) > >Doane > >********************************************************************* > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Hi Doane! > >For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never >copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always >use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO >TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! > >Be well! > >ALEX! > > > > > > > >>From: "Doane Hoag" >>Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 >> >> >>The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can >>interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, >>just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that >>without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I >>just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have >>felt >>it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) >> >>Doane >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Nelson >>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >> >> >>Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, >>if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if >>I'm deaf to that frequency! >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Doane Hoag >>>Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>. Be sure to use your multiplex >> >> >>>filter recording fm, if you have one. >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > >><< doane.vcf >> >> >> > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 15 17:10:22 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:10:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? Message-ID: I came across this page on the first Advent 201 cassette deck which is interesting, especially the part about an early Audiophile dealer named Tasso Spanos and his demonstration setup at his Opus One showroom. Really a good read. http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue16/advent.htm It reminded me of the earlier thread here about judging the sound quality of different Nak decks, etc. The most accurate test would be to have all the decks optimized for the same tape in each one, then set them up in an auditorium with live music playing and all compared decks recording, from the same mikes and locations. Then play each back in turn, through the same high end studio amps, speakers, etc., comparing it to the live performance. Or better yet, synchronize them all and switch between them and have everyone blind vote on the best, most accurate sound. THAT, would indeed be interesting, besides being a good tutorial for many people about what real music sounds like! :~. Just a thought to share... Doane From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 15 17:48:05 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:48:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 eating tapes. Message-ID: <435124B5.7060708@yahoo.ca> It makes a couple of times that my BX-2 is trying to eat tapes. Hopefully, there's a sensor for this, but I have the impression that the spool is not turning, making the tape going out of the cassette instead of taking it up. Cheers, Antoine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 15 19:10:03 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:10:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 eating tapes. In-Reply-To: <435124B5.7060708@yahoo.ca> References: <435124B5.7060708@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <435137EB.3090108@rcn.com> I am not sure this applies to the BX-2, but *think* it does... In the Sankyo transports, the reel hubs are friction coupled to the reel motor. Slippage is provided electrically: during PLAY, the motor drive is limited, allowing it to pull tape, but with much reduced torque. There are two common causes for malfunction: either the reel motor itself is bad, or the adjustment (it's VR601 in both the BX-1 and CR-7) needs to be touched up. If the motor is bad, you can try to rebuild it, but with poor chance of success. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > It makes a couple of times that my BX-2 is trying to eat tapes. > Hopefully, there's a sensor for this, but I have the impression that the > spool is not turning, making the tape going out of the cassette instead > of taking it up. > > Cheers, > Antoine > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 15 18:04:49 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:04:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: <435119B4.5060808@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: **************************************************************************** Antoine: The Dolby would only be affected by the multiplex filter you want to use for fm to filter out the 19khz carrier signal that can fool the Dolby circuits, NOT by low frequencies. You only need a subsonic filter if you have a record player that has inadequate isolation from it's motor and bearings, or if it's picking up room vibrations or speaker feedback, etc., or for some few vinyl recordings like I mentioned. I've never noticed this problem with CDs, but I guess it could happen in the CD recording itself, just like on vinyl. I just don't think it's probably something you have to worry about, but if it is, you probably can find a simple circuit you can build and put in your tape loop for your Nak... shouldn't be too hard to add, I would think, or some equalizers have them, you can probably find a used parametric eq. with a subsonic filter. Doane **************************************************************************** * -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:01 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good tape? I also have a subsonic filter but it's only on the amplifier. At least, I can kill subsonics from any sources, but I can't prevent Dolby to screw up because of these(If it does). Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, but >I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a rumble >filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from my >turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings themselves! I >remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was >recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... maybe >traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had to >turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at loud >levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it again >with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) > >Doane > >********************************************************************* > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Hi Doane! > >For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never >copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always >use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO >TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! > >Be well! > >ALEX! > > > > > > > >>From: "Doane Hoag" >>Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 >> >> >>The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can >>interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't hurt, >>just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that >>without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, I >>just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have >>felt >>it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) >> >>Doane >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Nelson >>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >> >> >>Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make much, >>if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm wondering if >>I'm deaf to that frequency! >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Doane Hoag >>>Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>. Be sure to use your multiplex >> >> >>>filter recording fm, if you have one. >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > >><< doane.vcf >> >> >> > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 15 18:09:15 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:09:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Metal Tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014155244.01b2e638@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: I would stick to the few main, proven tapes that Nakamichi recommends, like TDK, Maxell, Fuji, etc. or if you have a deck with the bias and levels controls, try out the other brands and compare them, but I don't know SKC and how they are for reliability in the long run. Anyone else know? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] New Metal Tapes for sale SKC (whoever they are) still produces metal tapes for $7.50 a pop. Anyone tried them? Think I pick a couple up. http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/cgi-bin/pagegennew.pl?U+cassette+tu ty3454+Type%20IV%20-%20Metal ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 18:10:02 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:10:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Metal Tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014155244.01b2e638@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014155244.01b2e638@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10510150910s22faf62bx73d52af737117eec@mail.gmail.com> They're Korean and have been producing the tapes for Sony in the last few years. Very good quality. George On 10/14/05, Derrick Beckner wrote: > SKC (whoever they are) still produces metal tapes for $7.50 a pop. > Anyone tried them? Think I pick a couple up. > > http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/cgi-bin/pagegennew.pl?U+cassette+tuty3454+Type%20IV%20-%20Metal > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 18:11:45 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:11:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10510150911o3183a594gfa0c3abf4f3ab3fc@mail.gmail.com> Their Reference Maxima series, both Chrome and Metal, are the best new production tapes I've come across in the last 5 years. Sadly now discontinued, but the regular Chrome are quite good as well. George On 10/14/05, Derrick Beckner wrote: > Anyone ever use EMTEC chrome tapes? Decent? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 15 18:20:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:20:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Derrick! Is the "New" name of Basf brand! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:17:04 -0400 > >Anyone ever use EMTEC chrome tapes? Decent? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 15 18:23:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:23:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? Message-ID: Hi Doane! Be my very heart fully guest! Came up to The Holly Land...you WILL be NOT disappointed! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:09:55 -0700 > >Wish I was close enough to drop by and see all the beautiful equipment you >have... and hear it! > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:59 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Hi...my dear Doane! > >For that sole reason...exist the "Subsonic" filter...however in a "High >End" >turntable, it's not really needed...also here in Israel the floor are NOT >"Parquet" or wood as in US. Is stone so almost NO rumble from the floor >reflection. Also my Technics table is 100% well set up...so NO rumble at >all, of course...IF the record has...so exist...but from the table DD drive >Silence 100%! > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:24 -0700 > > > >Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, >but > >I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a >rumble > >filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from >my > >turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings >themselves! > >I > >remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was > >recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... >maybe > >traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had > >to > >turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at >loud > >levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it >again > >with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) > > > >Doane > > > >********************************************************************* > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > >Hi Doane! > > > >For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never > >copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always > >use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO > >TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > > > > > > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can > > >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't >hurt, > > >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that > > >without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, >I > > >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have > > >felt > > >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) > > > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make > >much, > > >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm >wondering > >if > > >I'm deaf to that frequency! > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Sat Oct 15 18:49:53 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:49:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Rack ears for 670ZX wanted In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051008115255.03492270@stager.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20051008115255.03492270@stager.com> Message-ID: <43513331.4070707@bresnan.net> Marc Stager wrote: > Looking for a pair of rack ears for a 670ZX. > (same as used on Nak 660X and 680ZX decks) > > I'd like to buy or trade for a pair of straight sides. > > Thanks. > Marc Stager > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Marc; Did you find your rack ears? If not I will trade you for stright sides. Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 15 18:40:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:40:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <00a301c5d1a7$167a8900$e09b87d9@oemcomputer> Yep! They are in better cassette shells than modern European TDK SA, too. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 14 October 2005 20:17 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC > > > Anyone ever use EMTEC chrome tapes? Decent? > From topoxforddoc at btinternet.com Sat Oct 15 19:47:10 2005 From: topoxforddoc at btinternet.com (Charlie Chan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:47:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon Message-ID: <703f7b8fb9f074e1588231c9bb41533d@btinternet.com> I'm looking for a microphone preamp to connect to my Dragon in the UK. Does anyone have any reasonably priced suggestions and do you have any suggestions for similarly priced microphones. I just want to use them at home to record my wife and kids playing and singing. Many thanks Charlie From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 15 19:48:58 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:48:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 eating tapes. In-Reply-To: <435137EB.3090108@rcn.com> References: <435124B5.7060708@yahoo.ca> <435137EB.3090108@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4351410A.2070707@yahoo.ca> Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean. All I know is that if the motor goes to the right, the gear will follow, touch the forward spool and make it turn. If the motor goes to the left, the gear is going to the left and touches the rewind spool to make it turn. The same motor is switching between the spools and driving them. Strange way of making things work... Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > > I am not sure this applies to the BX-2, but *think* > it does... > > In the Sankyo transports, the reel hubs are friction > coupled to the reel motor. Slippage is provided > electrically: during PLAY, the motor drive is > limited, allowing it to pull tape, but with much > reduced torque. > > There are two common causes for malfunction: either > the reel motor itself is bad, or the adjustment > (it's VR601 in both the BX-1 and CR-7) needs to be > touched up. If the motor is bad, you can try to > rebuild it, but with poor chance of success. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> It makes a couple of times that my BX-2 is trying to eat tapes. >> Hopefully, there's a sensor for this, but I have the impression that >> the spool is not turning, making the tape going out of the cassette >> instead of taking it up. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Oct 16 00:24:33 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:24:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> References: <"USAMAML01-051014123941Z-486164*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <435181A1.1020904@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > Anyone ever use EMTEC chrome tapes? Decent? Yes! Quite nice -- very good noise floor, a bit bright-ish compared to Maxell, low THD (almost as low as Quantegy 472). It's hard to precisely characterize tape because bias affects their sound so profoundly, BUT as a broad generalization to my ears (and with my Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II; Revox B710, B&O Beocord 9000, Pioneer CT-F7171 and CT-F7272; Technics RS-M205 recorders): Maxell seems a bit warm-ish sounding, slighltly less definitiion in midrange. Maxell seems to be the most forgiving of variations in bias. EMTEC (formerly BASF) is slightly-bright with powerful bass and clean midrange, BUT unless bias is precise it suffers from audible modulation noise BUT get the bias correct and it seems to have the lowest modulation noise. This tape and Quantegy 472 seem to be the most sensitive to variations in bias. TDK is neutral-to-almost warm tonal balance with all-around excellent sound, very good midrange and low modulation noise. Quantegy 472 has a neutral to almost bass-heavy tonal balance, very very low THD and low modulation noise. Properly biased, it exhibits the best midrange clarity. This tape and EMTEC seem to be the most sensitive to variations in bias. Sony seems to be bright and overall colored, harsh transient sounds, a lack of midrange detail and audible modulation noise. Frankly, its sound sets my teeth on edge. Bias variation seems to affect only tonal balance, not overall clarity. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sat Oct 15 19:26:55 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:26:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] audio codec quality shootout Message-ID: <001b01c5d1ae$0bfea680$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Hi All I found a really interesting site discussing the choices of audio codecs testing the quality of each type. For those looking to archive their beloved collection to a digital format you might find this interesting. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1560783,00.asp Regards Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 16 02:21:21 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:21:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon In-Reply-To: <703f7b8fb9f074e1588231c9bb41533d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5d1e7$8929dd80$ed8187d9@oemcomputer> Cheapest way is probably to buy an old cassette deck with microphone inputs and take the line out into your Dragon's line in. However, that will only give you a two mic mix. But provided the i/p and o/p circuits and power supply of the old deck are working and can be engaged, you don't have to worry if it can't record or play back!! I use an old Aiwa 1970's deck this way. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Charlie Chan > Sent: 15 October 2005 18:47 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon > > > I'm looking for a microphone preamp to connect to my Dragon in the UK. > Does anyone have any reasonably priced suggestions and do you have any > suggestions for similarly priced microphones. I just want to use them > at home to record my wife and kids playing and singing. > > Many thanks > > Charlie > > > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 16 03:16:26 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:16:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Alex: I appreciate the offer, and I would like to return it... if you ever get out this way, to this beautiful California coast line, be sure to call! http://www.monterey-carmel.com/Carmel_Sunset_Carmel_Beach_Ocean_Ave.htm Doane ****************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? Hi Doane! Be my very heart fully guest! Came up to The Holly Land...you WILL be NOT disappointed! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:09:55 -0700 > >Wish I was close enough to drop by and see all the beautiful equipment you >have... and hear it! > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:59 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Hi...my dear Doane! > >For that sole reason...exist the "Subsonic" filter...however in a "High >End" >turntable, it's not really needed...also here in Israel the floor are NOT >"Parquet" or wood as in US. Is stone so almost NO rumble from the floor >reflection. Also my Technics table is 100% well set up...so NO rumble at >all, of course...IF the record has...so exist...but from the table DD drive >Silence 100%! > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:24 -0700 > > > >Years ago I used to copy from FM and I just always used the MPX filter, >but > >I was always careful to turn it off afterwards! I too used to use a >rumble > >filter, but only on some records, it wasn't for any "rumble" coming from >my > >turntable (an AR) but from some of the vinyl record recordings >themselves! > >I > >remember one in particular that was very bad, it was a quintet that was > >recorded in some building and there was a very low frequency sound... >maybe > >traffic noise/vibration or an air conditioner motor or something, you had > >to > >turn up the bass to hear it, but it really put my amp into a comma at >loud > >levels trying to reproduce it, once I discovered it I re-recorded it >again > >with the "rumble" filter on and it was fine. :~) > > > >Doane > > > >********************************************************************* > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:06 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > >Hi Doane! > > > >For your expertise knowledge, in my Dragon exist MPX filter...as I never > >copy from FM radio, it's always "OFF"...only the Subsonic filter I always > >use it when I record Lp vinyl records...for be 100% safe that NO > >TURNTABLE/RECORDS; RUMBLE will be added in my recordings! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:36 -0700 > > > > > > > > >The 19khz multiplex filter filters out the fm carrier signal, which can > > >interfer with the Dolby tracking... might as well use it, it can't >hurt, > > >just be sure to turn it off when doing regular recordings. I think that > > >without it, you might get some pumping to the sound, but I'm not sure, >I > > >just always used it for fm recording; the Nakamichi designers must have > > >felt > > >it was important or they wouldn't have included it. :~) > > > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:48 AM > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > > >Is it just me? I've never found the multiplex filter seemed to make > >much, > > >if any, difference to my off-air FM recordings in the UK. I'm >wondering > >if > > >I'm deaf to that frequency! > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 October 2005 00:50 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape? > > > > > > > > > > >. Be sure to use your multiplex > > > > filter recording fm, if you have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 16 03:28:18 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:28:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <435181A1.1020904@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit: Thanks for the rundown on the different tapes... Question, did you try the Sony UXPro series with the ceramic guides? I think it was better then the UXES series and I was impressed with thier sound and headroom/output. But I still tend to favor the TDK SAX series as the best on my ZX-7 and LX-5 Thanks, Doane ************************************************************88 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EMTEC Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > Anyone ever use EMTEC chrome tapes? Decent? Yes! Quite nice -- very good noise floor, a bit bright-ish compared to Maxell, low THD (almost as low as Quantegy 472). It's hard to precisely characterize tape because bias affects their sound so profoundly, BUT as a broad generalization to my ears (and with my Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II; Revox B710, B&O Beocord 9000, Pioneer CT-F7171 and CT-F7272; Technics RS-M205 recorders): Maxell seems a bit warm-ish sounding, slighltly less definitiion in midrange. Maxell seems to be the most forgiving of variations in bias. EMTEC (formerly BASF) is slightly-bright with powerful bass and clean midrange, BUT unless bias is precise it suffers from audible modulation noise BUT get the bias correct and it seems to have the lowest modulation noise. This tape and Quantegy 472 seem to be the most sensitive to variations in bias. TDK is neutral-to-almost warm tonal balance with all-around excellent sound, very good midrange and low modulation noise. Quantegy 472 has a neutral to almost bass-heavy tonal balance, very very low THD and low modulation noise. Properly biased, it exhibits the best midrange clarity. This tape and EMTEC seem to be the most sensitive to variations in bias. Sony seems to be bright and overall colored, harsh transient sounds, a lack of midrange detail and audible modulation noise. Frankly, its sound sets my teeth on edge. Bias variation seems to affect only tonal balance, not overall clarity. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sun Oct 16 07:14:48 2005 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (isy fidelman) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:14:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC Message-ID: <4351e1c8.151b.0@telcel.net.ve> You are right George!!! Those Reference Master are excellent Type II cassettes. I bought some boxes of them a couple of months ago and I am very happy with them. I always liked BASF cassettes but unfortunately here in Venezuela since late 80's it has been very difficult to find them; for the last 10 years nobody imported them here so you have to buy them abroad. I might sell a couple of boxes brand new and sealed....if anybody is interested just let me know... Isy From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 16 07:15:03 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:15:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added and info on GX-4000D user's manual In-Reply-To: <45E63DF4-3D21-11DA-8425-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> Message-ID: Same here regarding a need for the LX-3 manual. The orange caps finally appear to be acting up (low gain L&R on playback) though I can't complain for the twenty-three years use of that Nak without a single problem! Thanks, Bob bwana747 at hotmail.com or post it to Tomas' Manuals site and I could access it there. I have a GX-4000D deck and found the user's manual on the internet a couple years ago. I'll look for the website link and will post it here or email it to you. It may be at the www.dantiques.com manuals resource page for reel decks in jpg format single page scans. >From: David Thompson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:13:27 +1000 > >Thomas > >i would be glad of a LX-3 owners manual. My email is >wontulp at zoomnet.com.au >A message to your email address did not get through. > >David > >On 14/10/2005, at 10:40 PM, Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov wrote: > >>Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for an LX-3... >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of daveharris at clear.net.nz >>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>Importance: Low >> >> >>Hi Bala >> >>You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I have one on >>my >>bench getting the treart ment at the moment. >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Dave From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 16 07:27:18 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:27:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic: Reel manuals resource link incl. Akai GX-4000D In-Reply-To: <003001c5d09f$959032c0$d35d65da@vurt> Message-ID: Here's a link for the GX-4000D reel deck user's manual and several others of various brands for those of us Nakkers who also are reel to reel enthusiasts. The manuals are presented as individual page scans not as Acrobat PDFs though those probably could readily be "Distilled" to PDF in Photoshop or using Acrobat creator programs. http://www.obsoletemedia.com/tapedecks/manuals.htm GX-4000D is about fifth down the list. Hope this helps Dave! Bob >From: Dave Harris >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:13:46 +1300 > >Hi Bala > >You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I have one on my >bench getting the treart ment at the moment. > > >Thanks > >Dave >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added > > >>Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would >>scan and send. Would it be helpful? >> >>Bala >> >>--- Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>>Then Its online >>> >>> >>>With best regards >>> >>>Tomas Larsson >>>Sweden >>>http://www.naks.mine.nu >>>for downloads etc. >>>ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >>> >>>Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Tomas, >>> >>> Yes, it will help. >>> >>> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. >>> >>>Regards >>>Bala >>> >>>Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>>Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to >>>the HTTP-Download area, >>>and if I forget to change the security context of >>>the file. >>>I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, >>>me thinks. >>> >>>Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals >>>for the 1k, one >>>1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. >>>So I assume you mean the first one. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>With best regards >>> >>>Tomas Larsson >>>Sweden >>>http://www.naks.mine.nu >>>for downloads etc. >>>ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >>> >>>Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Tomas, >>> >>> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from >>>Active to Warn. Do you >>>still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent >>>to you? >>> >>>Regards >>>Bala >>> >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! >>>http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >>http://mail.yahoo.com >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: >>12/10/2005 >> > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 16:59:15 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:59:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d1e7$8929dd80$ed8187d9@oemcomputer> References: <000d01c5d1e7$8929dd80$ed8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43526AC3.7020007@yahoo.ca> I would have told you to build one, but we're not in a DIY forum. If you get an old cassette deck, you should not get these old Realistic tape machines coming with a TRS-80 computer. You hear more distortion than anything else. Antoine Deschênes Nelson a écrit : >Cheapest way is probably to buy an old cassette deck with microphone inputs >and take the line out into your Dragon's line in. However, that will only >give you a two mic mix. But provided the i/p and o/p circuits and power >supply of the old deck are working and can be engaged, you don't have to >worry if it can't record or play back!! I use an old Aiwa 1970's deck this >way. > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Charlie Chan >>Sent: 15 October 2005 18:47 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon >> >> >>I'm looking for a microphone preamp to connect to my Dragon in the UK. >>Does anyone have any reasonably priced suggestions and do you have any >>suggestions for similarly priced microphones. I just want to use them >>at home to record my wife and kids playing and singing. >> >>Many thanks >> >>Charlie >> >> >> >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 18:00:19 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:00:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) Message-ID: <43527913.5090101@yahoo.ca> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had the MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be affected. -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rjkent at comcast.net Sun Oct 16 18:09:00 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:09:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression Message-ID: <000d01c5d26b$ec043700$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Adam wrote: >I found a really interesting site discussing the choices of audio codecs testing the quality of each type. For those looking to archive their beloved collection to a digital format you might find this interesting. Hey Adam.....good find. That is a very interesting article. I've been struggling with whether to use any compression formats at all, but I got an IPOD last Christmas from some friends, so I've been thinking about it. My son, (who is 33 and barely remembers any analog sources such as vinyl or cassette), is into MP3 in a big way.....and he has some pretty high end gear to play it thru. I've challenged him to a shootout with some inter-generational selected music we both like....say Pink Floyd. I would use vinyl to cassette using my CR-7, and he would go CD to CD (MP3)....then we play back through the same system for a comparison......he hasn't taken me up on it yet. To try and push me along into this century, he gave me a 'squeeze box'.....its a digital jukebox that takes digital material off on your computer hard drive and streams it into your wireless network to be picked up remotely at some stereo system in your house and played out. He also0 gave me a hard drive full of music.....allmost all MP3.....I haven't tried it yet. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 16 20:45:22 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:45:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <43527913.5090101@yahoo.ca> References: <43527913.5090101@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43529FC2.8030902@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 > > I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and > "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had the > MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of > 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be > affected. You didn't specify whether it happens with all inputs or just FM. If with all inputs, the thing I would look at is head and tape path cleanliness and correct operation of pinch roller arms. If just FM, I would check to see if it happens only with the FM filter on. I don't see how the preamphasis setting can affct this. -- Ron > From rciubuc at hotmail.com Sun Oct 16 19:09:09 2005 From: rciubuc at hotmail.com (radu ciubuc) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:09:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tape Message-ID: Hi everyone , You can find EMTEC and Maxell Chrome profesional at www.tape.com .I just bought 40 of them and the price for 10 EMTEC chrome is $5.00!!. I try them both on my Naks and on my Revox b710 (calibrated for TDK MA) and they sound as good as any other TDK or Maxell. As I previously said the best sounding tape in my system is the Quantegy 472. I listen carefully and compared recordings from LP (VPI Scout with Lyra cartridge), Marlk Levinson 390s CD player and Magnum Dynalab tuner via Nak ZX7 and 680zx( sorry guys I prefer it to the Dragon) Rexox B710 and reel to reel B77 and PR99 using as reference for comparing the Alesis Masterlink. For hard core digital fans I use also an i-POD and it is a clear inferior to tape or vinyl or even to regular CD. However recording on 20bit/88.2 on the Masterlink you can not hear a difference between original and the CD. Cheers, Radu From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 19:23:24 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:23:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d26b$ec043700$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000d01c5d26b$ec043700$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43528C8C.6030305@yahoo.ca> I seriously hate MP3s. Take for example Red Hot Chili Peppers in a 320kbps MP3 and it will sound BAD. If you take a 96kbps OGG it sounds practically like the original. Why? MP3 is showing artefacts. When I first heard about WMA(I think it was WMA5-6), I tried to encode a file at the maximum bitrate I could, it was bigger than the original and sounded really bad. In the same period of time I tried Yamaha's VQF which was pretty good I think(Makes 5-6 years I last tried this). At least MP3 VBR is a great improvement so I can use my CD MP3.(In non HiFi apps) I'll never get an iPod. Why? -It's made by Apple -It's the most popular player -I'm tired of seeing the same Apple white for 4 years. (I just wonder how they do to win design contests by always having the same thing) -Almost every days there's an hardware problem discovered with one of Apple's products. -Every macs I used crashed. Now, apple turns to pentium, but these crash too. -There's DRM, I don't want to encourage this. -It's not cheap. -I don't use what's advertised on medias. -The DAC is supposed to be bad. Antoine Deschênes rjkent at comcast.net a écrit : > Adam wrote: > >I found a really interesting site discussing the choices of audio > codecs testing the quality of each type. For those looking to archive > their beloved collection to a digital format you might find this > interesting. > > Hey Adam.....good find. That is a very interesting article. I've > been struggling with whether to use any compression formats at all, > but I got an IPOD last Christmas from some friends, so I've been > thinking about it. My son, (who is 33 and barely remembers any analog > sources such as vinyl or cassette), is into MP3 in a big way.....and > he has some pretty high end gear to play it thru. > > I've challenged him to a shootout with some inter-generational > selected music we both like....say Pink Floyd. I would use vinyl to > cassette using my CR-7, and he would go CD to CD (MP3)....then we play > back through the same system for a comparison......he hasn't taken me > up on it yet. > > To try and push me along into this century, he gave me a 'squeeze > box'.....its a digital jukebox that takes digital material off on your > computer hard drive and streams it into your wireless network to be > picked up remotely at some stereo system in your house and played > out. He also0 gave me a hard drive full of music.....allmost all > MP3.....I haven't tried it yet. > > Robert Kent > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 16 19:52:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:52:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <4351e1c8.151b.0@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <004f01c5d27a$71aaf700$ed8187d9@oemcomputer> Isy I never managed to get any over here in the UK. Want to swap for some TDK MA-XG90s? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of isy fidelman > Sent: 16 October 2005 06:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC > > > > You are right George!!! > > Those Reference Master are excellent Type II cassettes. I bought > some boxes > of them a couple of months ago and I am very happy with them. I > always liked > BASF cassettes but unfortunately here in Venezuela since late > 80's it has been > very difficult to find them; for the last 10 years nobody > imported them here > so you have to buy them abroad. > > I might sell a couple of boxes brand new and sealed....if anybody > is interested > just let me know... > > Isy > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 16 19:58:10 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:58:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d26b$ec043700$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <001601c5d27b$2d0d64b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Robert, a more valid comparison would be vinyl to cassette and vinyl to MP3 (via a line out from the amplifier to the line in on the sound card) so that the same source can be used. My own experiences are that popular music (and I include Pink Floyd, a particular favourite of mine, in that category) sound fine with the advantage of having the whole music collection at your fingertips. The majority of mine are saved at 128kbps. Classical gets saved at either 256kbps or 320kbps. My own setup includes vinyl, cassette,CD and MP3. On a day to day basis it is the MP3 files that get played the most, through my computer sound system (Cambridge Soundworks speakers with sub). I do not feel that my enjoyment of the music has been compromised. As a family man, the opportunity to sit down quietly in the lounge and listen to vinyl without someone bursting through the door and ruining the mood is not very frequent. If you really want to introduce your son to analogue sources take him to a Pink Floyd concert (not very frequent these days but well worth it ) and he will have the experience of hearing Wish You Were Here (they start pretty well every concert with this) in a way that will totally blow the mind. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 16 October 2005 17:09 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression Adam wrote: >I found a really interesting site discussing the choices of audio codecs testing the quality of each type. For those looking to archive their beloved collection to a digital format you might find this interesting. Hey Adam.....good find. That is a very interesting article. I've been struggling with whether to use any compression formats at all, but I got an IPOD last Christmas from some friends, so I've been thinking about it. My son, (who is 33 and barely remembers any analog sources such as vinyl or cassette), is into MP3 in a big way.....and he has some pretty high end gear to play it thru. I've challenged him to a shootout with some inter-generational selected music we both like....say Pink Floyd. I would use vinyl to cassette using my CR-7, and he would go CD to CD (MP3)....then we play back through the same system for a comparison......he hasn't taken me up on it yet. To try and push me along into this century, he gave me a 'squeeze box'.....its a digital jukebox that takes digital material off on your computer hard drive and streams it into your wireless network to be picked up remotely at some stereo system in your house and played out. He also0 gave me a hard drive full of music.....allmost all MP3.....I haven't tried it yet. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 16 20:26:13 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:26:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <43527913.5090101@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or is it just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used for noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the source. It sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had the MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be affected. -- Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 16 20:23:26 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:23:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d26b$ec043700$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <005001c5d27e$b3390d20$ed8187d9@oemcomputer> The problem with such a shoot out, Robert, is that his MP3 ears won't be educated to hear the superiority of your CR7!! I'd also suggest you opt for the same source material, too - vinyl or CD - so as to simply test cassette against MP3. Whatever, it will be a bit of fun!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 16 October 2005 17:09 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression Adam wrote: >I found a really interesting site discussing the choices of audio codecs testing the quality of each type. For those looking to archive their beloved collection to a digital format you might find this interesting. Hey Adam.....good find. That is a very interesting article. I've been struggling with whether to use any compression formats at all, but I got an IPOD last Christmas from some friends, so I've been thinking about it. My son, (who is 33 and barely remembers any analog sources such as vinyl or cassette), is into MP3 in a big way.....and he has some pretty high end gear to play it thru. I've challenged him to a shootout with some inter-generational selected music we both like....say Pink Floyd. I would use vinyl to cassette using my CR-7, and he would go CD to CD (MP3)....then we play back through the same system for a comparison......he hasn't taken me up on it yet. To try and push me along into this century, he gave me a 'squeeze box'.....its a digital jukebox that takes digital material off on your computer hard drive and streams it into your wireless network to be picked up remotely at some stereo system in your house and played out. He also0 gave me a hard drive full of music.....allmost all MP3.....I haven't tried it yet. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 16 20:32:37 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:32:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d26b$ec043700$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: ***************************************************************** I think it's interesting too. I had heard that the Microsoft wma is better then mp3, but the problem is you can't find walkmans and car players that will play it, and OV, though freeware, hasn't caught on yet. I wouldn't use any of these for "archiving" though, they are all loosy systems, just like jpg. Best route is to DA convert to wav files, save those to an external hard drive and make your mp3s or what ever from the archived wave files. Doane ***************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Compression Adam wrote: >I found a really interesting site discussing the choices of audio codecs testing the quality of each type. For those looking to archive their beloved collection to a digital format you might find this interesting. Hey Adam.....good find. That is a very interesting article. I've been struggling with whether to use any compression formats at all, but I got an IPOD last Christmas from some friends, so I've been thinking about it. My son, (who is 33 and barely remembers any analog sources such as vinyl or cassette), is into MP3 in a big way.....and he has some pretty high end gear to play it thru. I've challenged him to a shootout with some inter-generational selected music we both like....say Pink Floyd. I would use vinyl to cassette using my CR-7, and he would go CD to CD (MP3)....then we play back through the same system for a comparison......he hasn't taken me up on it yet. To try and push me along into this century, he gave me a 'squeeze box'.....its a digital jukebox that takes digital material off on your computer hard drive and streams it into your wireless network to be picked up remotely at some stereo system in your house and played out. He also0 gave me a hard drive full of music.....allmost all MP3.....I haven't tried it yet. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 21:22:44 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:22:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <43529FC2.8030902@rcn.com> References: <43527913.5090101@yahoo.ca> <43529FC2.8030902@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4352A884.2010601@yahoo.ca> I just tried Dolby C with FM. So I've just done(while writing) these tests(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): mpx off, dolby off mpx off, dolby B mpx off, dolby C mpx on, dolby C mpx on, dolby B mpx on, dolby off Playback was done without Dolby. I didn't have the compression-like problem this time, but gain from the right channel reduced drastically with the first test. Preemphasis did an x3 gain to the treble. I don't know if it did something. I don't have any problems with playback so I doubt the tape path is the problem. I clean the pinch roller, capstan and heads when I see residues on the pinch roller. (3rd time in 1½ week). My tape eating problem seems solved, I rebuilt the drive motor and is seems to work. (The commutator was black instead of grey where the brushes were not touching) I broke a little ring going on the top of one of the hub shaft. I had to melt it to make it hold in place. Do you want me to post the tests in OGG format on my site? Sound quality doesn't matter since the problem is gain related mostly. Anyways, the low-pass filter of OGG is @ a really high frequency. I should try to see if the tuner has the same problem with an other cassette deck. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502. >> >> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed >> and "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I >> had the MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis >> instead of 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel >> would be affected. > > > You didn't specify whether it happens with all inputs > or just FM. If with all inputs, the thing I would look > at is head and tape path cleanliness and correct operation > of pinch roller arms. If just FM, I would check to see if > it happens only with the FM filter on. > > I don't see how the preamphasis setting can affct this. > > -- Ron > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 21:55:20 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:55:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <43529FC2.8030902@rcn.com> References: <43527913.5090101@yahoo.ca> <43529FC2.8030902@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4352B028.70608@yahoo.ca> Anyways... I'm posting the files on one of my tons of free web pages. http://angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ Click and download bx2.zip there's bx2prob.ogg, which is an FM recording, with the problem on the right channel and there's bx2tests.ogg, which has the 6 recording tests I've done. They have been separated using the rec mute button. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >> >> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed >> and "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I >> had the MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis >> instead of 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel >> would be affected. > > > You didn't specify whether it happens with all inputs > or just FM. If with all inputs, the thing I would look > at is head and tape path cleanliness and correct operation > of pinch roller arms. If just FM, I would check to see if > it happens only with the FM filter on. > > I don't see how the preamphasis setting can affct this. > > -- Ron > > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 22:09:16 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:09:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were made to Ron only. The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about this since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it didn't have this problem. I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): mpx off, dolby off rec mute mpx off, dolby B rec mute mpx off, dolby C rec mute mpx on, dolby C rec mute mpx on, dolby B rec mute mpx on, dolby off you can find here in 64kbps OGG: http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of yesterday's FM record I did. Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or is it >just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used for >noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it >should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the source. It >sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) > > >Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 > >I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and >"muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had the >MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >affected. > >-- >Antoine Deschênes > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From msyoder at border.net Sun Oct 16 22:17:38 2005 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:17:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] suggestion for cheap mic amp In-Reply-To: <200510161640.j9GGeYuM002993@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I would recommend you get a small mixer with mic preamps built in. If you really are concerned about cost, get the smallest Behringer mixer which has two mic inputs, which can be gotten for around $50 or 60 new in the US. It'll work out quite well. If you want AWESOME QUALITY, then get the Soundcraft Folio Mixpad, which has awesome mic pre's for about $150 in the US and a little less in the UK. Either way, you'll have rca outs to go into the rca inputs of a dragon. As for mic's there are plenty of adequate mic's (not great, but they'll get the job done) for $30 apiece or so. Advantage to going the mixer route: you can pan the mic's or lines or whatever you put into them. If you want just mic preamp(s), try ART Tube MP (about $50 each). Cheers, Michael Yoder http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Charlie Chan >> Sent: 15 October 2005 18:47 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon >> >> >> I'm looking for a microphone preamp to connect to my Dragon in the UK. >> Does anyone have any reasonably priced suggestions and do you have any >> suggestions for similarly priced microphones. I just want to use them >> at home to record my wife and kids playing and singing. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Charlie >> >> >> > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 16 22:28:07 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:28:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] suggestion for cheap mic amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4352B7D7.50504@yahoo.ca> I know M-Audio has a mic preamp. Antoine Deschênes Yoder Michael a écrit : > I would recommend you get a small mixer with mic preamps built in. If > you really are concerned about cost, get the smallest Behringer mixer > which has two mic inputs, which can be gotten for around $50 or 60 new > in the US. It'll work out quite well. If you want AWESOME QUALITY, > then get the Soundcraft Folio Mixpad, which has awesome mic pre's for > about $150 in the US and a little less in the UK. Either way, you'll > have rca outs to go into the rca inputs of a dragon. > > As for mic's there are plenty of adequate mic's (not great, but > they'll get the job done) for $30 apiece or so. > Advantage to going the mixer route: you can pan the mic's or lines or > whatever you put into them. > > If you want just mic preamp(s), try ART Tube MP (about $50 each). > > Cheers, > Michael Yoder > http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Charlie Chan >>> Sent: 15 October 2005 18:47 >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] suggestions for a cheap mic amp for Dragon >>> >>> >>> I'm looking for a microphone preamp to connect to my Dragon in the UK. >>> Does anyone have any reasonably priced suggestions and do you have any >>> suggestions for similarly priced microphones. I just want to use them >>> at home to record my wife and kids playing and singing. >>> >>> Many thanks >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 17 00:09:37 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:09:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Antoine: I played back your ov files on my computer, but it's hard to tell playing them back this way. I suspect you have some problems in your Nak deck, but best way would be to trace a signal generator wave form thorugh the deck, or do some other trouble shooting. Sorry I can't help more. On my Nak decks I've gone through and cleaned all the control pots using Deoxit and Progold, this made a big difference, I am now in the process of replacing all the orange polyproplyene caps that everone has mentioned are problems. Will let everyone know what the results are when I get the caps and get them in. Doane ************************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:09 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were made to Ron only. The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about this since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it didn't have this problem. I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): mpx off, dolby off rec mute mpx off, dolby B rec mute mpx off, dolby C rec mute mpx on, dolby C rec mute mpx on, dolby B rec mute mpx on, dolby off you can find here in 64kbps OGG: http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of yesterday's FM record I did. Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or is it >just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used for >noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it >should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the source. It >sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) > > >Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 > >I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and >"muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had the >MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >affected. > >-- >Antoine Deschênes > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael_martorana at lineone.net Mon Oct 17 01:27:47 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:27:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Manual In-Reply-To: <200510161640.j9GGeYuM002993@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <433432D600084AE7@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi Thomas I tooi would be glad of a LX-3 owners manual. My email is michael_martorana at lineone.net Kind regards Michael >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:15:03 -0500 >From: "bwana747 _" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added and info on GX-4000D user's > manual >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Same here regarding a need for the LX-3 manual. The orange caps finally >appear to be acting up (low gain L&R on playback) though I can't complain >for the twenty-three years use of that Nak without a single problem! > > >Thanks, >Bob bwana747 at hotmail.com or post it to Tomas' Manuals site >and I could access it there. > >I have a GX-4000D deck and found the user's manual on the internet a couple >years ago. I'll look for the website link and will post it here or email it >to you. It may be at the www.dantiques.com manuals resource page for reel >decks in jpg format single page scans. > > >From: David Thompson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:13:27 +1000 > >Thomas > >i would be glad of a LX-3 owners manual. My email is >wontulp at zoomnet.com.au >A message to your email address did not get through. > >David > >On 14/10/2005, at 10:40 PM, Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov wrote: > >>Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for an LX-3... >> ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 17 05:32:39 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:32:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] More manuals added Message-ID: Tomas: I hope you didn't take my earlier post on this the wrong way, I was just trying to tell you that the LX-5 Service manual you have available is only about half the manual; I didn't kinow if you were aware of that? Doane From Darryl at email.com Mon Oct 17 10:57:51 2005 From: Darryl at email.com (Darryl) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:57:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Help On Choosing Correct Nak Please Message-ID: <200510170858.j9H8w2FZ005679@zxe.naks.com> Hi I have registered with this group recently, and know in general the conversations here 'go right over my head', but I'll pose my requests in the hope I'll get some kind of idea on which way to take the plunge on the purchase of a Nakamichi. This is request is on behalf of a friend, so I hope I give the correct info the first time around. I am looking to produce either a WAV or mp3 file from cassette tapes that have already been produced. Please bear in mind that the quality of recordings can vary from average to mediocre or sometime worse than that. They are all speech only, and are in fact bible study recordings going back over many years. I am not too sure if I require a descent sound card for a computer, or whether it is possible to connect a lead from a Nakamichi directly in to a portable MP3 recorder that has a line in / line out facility. I am not sure whether I need to run the Nakamichi through an amp, then hook the amp up to the computer or to the portable MP3 recorder. The portable MP3 recorder is Iriver H320, and it is pretty good at it's job (but that is compared to an Ipod). Basically, there are many Nakamichi being sold on Ebay etc, but I do note that some have discontinued parts etc. I know basics like belt drive, direct drive etc, but have picked up on terms like Azimuth and do not fully understand if it is of any benefit for the usage required here. Does a 3 head machine give the ability to check the recording levels in a different manner to a 2 head machine? Is this necessary for my requirements? Price is an object, but I really would like to buy it once, and buy it right. Thank you in advance and I do hope I have given you all the information required the 1st time around. As I have already explained, I am asking on behalf of a friend, so it is always a bit more difficult to express the requirements properly. Regards Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Oct 17 11:34:12 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:34:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051014151145.01ae2220@psulias.psu.edu> <518b7b10510150911o3183a594gfa0c3abf4f3ab3fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013901c5d2fd$efa2a620$0801a8c0@TG> Do agree on their Reference Maxima series; it really deserves high appreciation, best tape i've ever tried. TG ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EMTEC > Their Reference Maxima series, both Chrome and Metal, are the best new > production tapes I've come across in the last 5 years. Sadly now > discontinued, but the regular Chrome are quite good as well. > > George > > On 10/14/05, Derrick Beckner wrote: >> Anyone ever use EMTEC chrome tapes? Decent? >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: 16.10.2005 > > From ktl at bornet.net Mon Oct 17 13:26:18 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:26:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] More manuals added In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, I wasn't, hopefully someone will do the rest then. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:33 AM > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Subject: [naktalk] More manuals added > > > Tomas: > > I hope you didn't take my earlier post on this the wrong way, > I was just trying to tell you that the LX-5 Service manual > you have available is only about half the manual; I didn't > kinow if you were aware of that? > > Doane > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ktl at bornet.net Mon Oct 17 13:27:52 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:27:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Manual In-Reply-To: <433432D600084AE7@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: The only manuals I have are those avaible for download on my website. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > michael_martorana at lineone.net > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:28 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Manual > > > Hi Thomas > > I tooi would be glad of a LX-3 owners manual. My email is > michael_martorana at lineone.net > > Kind regards > > Michael > > >Message: 5 > >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:15:03 -0500 > >From: "bwana747 _" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added and info on GX-4000D user's > > manual > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > >Same here regarding a need for the LX-3 manual. The orange > caps finally > > >appear to be acting up (low gain L&R on playback) though I can't > >complain > > >for the twenty-three years use of that Nak without a single problem! > > > > > >Thanks, > >Bob bwana747 at hotmail.com or post it to Tomas' Manuals site > >and I could access it there. > > > >I have a GX-4000D deck and found the user's manual on the internet a > >couple > > >years ago. I'll look for the website link and will post it here or > >email > it > >to you. It may be at the www.dantiques.com manuals resource page for > >reel > > >decks in jpg format single page scans. > > > > > >From: David Thompson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added > >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:13:27 +1000 > > > >Thomas > > > >i would be glad of a LX-3 owners manual. My email is > >wontulp at zoomnet.com.au > >A message to your email address did not get through. > > > >David > > > >On 14/10/2005, at 10:40 PM, Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov wrote: > > > >>Let me know if anyone wants a copy of the owner's manual for an > >>LX-3... > >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 17 14:38:21 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:38:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> References: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43539B3D.3090307@rcn.com> Antoine, It looks like you have an intermittent problem in the record path of the deck. This could be just about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens with the filter off. The way to deal with this is to open up the deck on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, trace the signal from input to the head. Like all intermittent problems, this can be time consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were made > to Ron only. > > The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. > > Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM > recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about this > since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it didn't > have this problem. > > I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): > mpx off, dolby off > rec mute > mpx off, dolby B > rec mute > mpx off, dolby C > rec mute > mpx on, dolby C > rec mute > mpx on, dolby B > rec mute > mpx on, dolby off > > you can find here in 64kbps OGG: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ > > there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of yesterday's > FM record I did. > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > Doane Hoag a écrit : > >> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or is it >> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used for >> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it >> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >> source. It >> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >> >> >> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >> >> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and >> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had the >> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >> affected. >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 17 14:59:44 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:59:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help On Choosing Correct Nak Please In-Reply-To: <200510170858.j9H8w2FZ005679@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510170858.j9H8w2FZ005679@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4353A040.1090706@rcn.com> Darryl wrote: > Hi > > I have registered with this group recently, and know in general the > conversations here ‘go right over my head’, but I’ll pose my requests in > the hope I’ll get some kind of idea on which way to take the plunge on > the purchase of a Nakamichi. > > This is request is on behalf of a friend, so I hope I give the correct > info the first time around. > > I am looking to produce either a WAV or mp3 file from cassette tapes > that have already been produced. Please bear in mind that the quality > of recordings can vary from average to mediocre or sometime worse than > that. They are all speech only, and are in fact bible study recordings > going back over many years. > > I am not too sure if I require a descent sound card for a computer, or > whether it is possible to connect a lead from a Nakamichi directly in to > a portable MP3 recorder that has a line in / line out facility. Both approaches are viable. > I am > not sure whether I need to run the Nakamichi through an amp, then hook > the amp up to the computer or to the portable MP3 recorder. Just run the output of the cassette recorder to the input of the sound card or MP3 recorder. > > The portable MP3 recorder is Iriver H320, and it is pretty good at it’s > job (but that is compared to an Ipod). I am not familiar with this device, but would expect that it will accept the cassette recorder output with no problem. It's certainly worth a try. > Basically, there are many Nakamichi being sold on Ebay etc, but I do > note that some have discontinued parts etc. For your application, any two head machine should do fine. Look for any of the low end BX or CR series: BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, CR-1, CR-2 etc.. They all use variations of the same transport and similar electronics. See the Naks.com web site for details on each. > I know basics like belt > drive, direct drive etc, but have picked up on terms like Azimuth and do > not fully understand if it is of any benefit for the usage required here. All you need to know is that azimuth adjustment should be correct. It's less critical if the same deck is used for both recording and PB (playback). It's also less critical for voice recordings. > Does a 3 head machine give the ability to check the recording levels in > a different manner to a 2 head machine? It allows you to check a recording while it's in process, while a two head machine requires you to finish the recording and rewind before you can listen to it. > Is this necessary for my requirements? No. -- Ron > Price is an object, but I really would like to buy it once, and buy it > right. > > Thank you in advance and I do hope I have given you all the information > required the 1^st time around. As I have already explained, I am asking > on behalf of a friend, so it is always a bit more difficult to express > the requirements properly. > > Regards > > Darryl From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 17 17:25:58 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:25:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <43539B3D.3090307@rcn.com> References: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> <43539B3D.3090307@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4353C286.1040301@yahoo.ca> OK. First have to buy a scope. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > Antoine, > > It looks like you have an intermittent problem in > the record path of the deck. This could be just > about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's > unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens > with the filter off. > > The way to deal with this is to open up the deck > on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the > problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, > trace the signal from input to the head. Like all > intermittent problems, this can be time > consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. > > -- Ron > > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >> made to Ron only. >> >> The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >> >> Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >> recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about this >> since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it didn't >> have this problem. >> >> I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >> mpx off, dolby off >> rec mute >> mpx off, dolby B >> rec mute >> mpx off, dolby C >> rec mute >> mpx on, dolby C >> rec mute >> mpx on, dolby B >> rec mute >> mpx on, dolby off >> >> you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >> >> there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >> yesterday's FM record I did. >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Doane Hoag a écrit : >> >>> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or >>> is it >>> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used >>> for >>> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it >>> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>> source. It >>> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>> >>> Doane >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>> >>> >>> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>> >>> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and >>> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had >>> the >>> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>> affected. >>> >>> -- >>> Antoine Deschênes >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 17 20:39:43 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:39:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4353C286.1040301@yahoo.ca> References: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> <43539B3D.3090307@rcn.com> <4353C286.1040301@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4353EFEF.9030307@rcn.com> Not really. A signal tracer will do just fine. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > OK. First have to buy a scope. > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > Ron a écrit : > >> Antoine, >> >> It looks like you have an intermittent problem in >> the record path of the deck. This could be just >> about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's >> unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens >> with the filter off. >> >> The way to deal with this is to open up the deck >> on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the >> problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, >> trace the signal from input to the head. Like all >> intermittent problems, this can be time >> consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >>> made to Ron only. >>> >>> The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >>> >>> Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >>> recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about this >>> since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it didn't >>> have this problem. >>> >>> I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >>> mpx off, dolby off >>> rec mute >>> mpx off, dolby B >>> rec mute >>> mpx off, dolby C >>> rec mute >>> mpx on, dolby C >>> rec mute >>> mpx on, dolby B >>> rec mute >>> mpx on, dolby off >>> >>> you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >>> >>> there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >>> yesterday's FM record I did. >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes >>> >>> >>> >>> Doane Hoag a écrit : >>> >>>> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or >>>> is it >>>> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used >>>> for >>>> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it >>>> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>>> source. It >>>> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>>> >>>> Doane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>>> >>>> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and >>>> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had >>>> the >>>> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>>> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>>> affected. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 17 21:10:25 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:10:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4353EFEF.9030307@rcn.com> References: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> <43539B3D.3090307@rcn.com> <4353C286.1040301@yahoo.ca> <4353EFEF.9030307@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4353F721.4040705@yahoo.ca> I need a scope anyways. Isn't a signal tracer a simple thing you can DIY? Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > > Not really. A signal tracer will do just fine. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> OK. First have to buy a scope. >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Ron a écrit : >> >>> Antoine, >>> >>> It looks like you have an intermittent problem in >>> the record path of the deck. This could be just >>> about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's >>> unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens >>> with the filter off. >>> >>> The way to deal with this is to open up the deck >>> on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the >>> problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, >>> trace the signal from input to the head. Like all >>> intermittent problems, this can be time >>> consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> >>>> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >>>> made to Ron only. >>>> >>>> The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >>>> >>>> Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >>>> recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about >>>> this since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it >>>> didn't have this problem. >>>> >>>> I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >>>> mpx off, dolby off >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx off, dolby B >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx off, dolby C >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby C >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby B >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby off >>>> >>>> you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >>>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >>>> >>>> there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >>>> yesterday's FM record I did. >>>> >>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Doane Hoag a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, >>>>> or is it >>>>> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis >>>>> (used for >>>>> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby >>>>> tracking, it >>>>> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>>>> source. It >>>>> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>>>> >>>>> Doane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>>>> >>>>> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded >>>>> compressed and >>>>> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I >>>>> had the >>>>> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>>>> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>>>> affected. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 17 21:11:16 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:11:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help On Choosing Correct Nak Please In-Reply-To: <200510170858.j9H8w2FZ005679@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Darryl: I think, for your purpose, recording speech, you should just buy a new cassette player. There are some good deals on low cost, about $100+/- decks by Sony and others. If you buy a Nak on line, you are probably going to have to do some work on it, and if you don't do it yourself, you can easily spend over $100. There are plenty of on line tutorials on making CD music or MP3 disks, its pretty simple. Just hook up the output of your cassette deck to your sound card aux input, then use one of the many recorders available to record it to wav or MP3 format, then burn it to disk. Here's a good tutorial on how to do it, there are others.. http://www.gmayor.com/copy_vinyl_to_CDR.htm Good luck! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Darryl Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:58 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Help On Choosing Correct Nak Please Hi I have registered with this group recently, and know in general the conversations here 'go right over my head', but I'll pose my requests in the hope I'll get some kind of idea on which way to take the plunge on the purchase of a Nakamichi. This is request is on behalf of a friend, so I hope I give the correct info the first time around. I am looking to produce either a WAV or mp3 file from cassette tapes that have already been produced. Please bear in mind that the quality of recordings can vary from average to mediocre or sometime worse than that. They are all speech only, and are in fact bible study recordings going back over many years. I am not too sure if I require a descent sound card for a computer, or whether it is possible to connect a lead from a Nakamichi directly in to a portable MP3 recorder that has a line in / line out facility. I am not sure whether I need to run the Nakamichi through an amp, then hook the amp up to the computer or to the portable MP3 recorder. The portable MP3 recorder is Iriver H320, and it is pretty good at it's job (but that is compared to an Ipod). Basically, there are many Nakamichi being sold on Ebay etc, but I do note that some have discontinued parts etc. I know basics like belt drive, direct drive etc, but have picked up on terms like Azimuth and do not fully understand if it is of any benefit for the usage required here. Does a 3 head machine give the ability to check the recording levels in a different manner to a 2 head machine? Is this necessary for my requirements? Price is an object, but I really would like to buy it once, and buy it right. Thank you in advance and I do hope I have given you all the information required the 1st time around. As I have already explained, I am asking on behalf of a friend, so it is always a bit more difficult to express the requirements properly. Regards Darryl From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 17 21:21:20 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:21:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4353EFEF.9030307@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron: Good suggestion, for basic circuit tracing of a signal, PartsExpress.com has one for about $20 item #320-090 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:40 AM Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) Not really. A signal tracer will do just fine. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > OK. First have to buy a scope. > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > Ron a écrit : > >> Antoine, >> >> It looks like you have an intermittent problem in >> the record path of the deck. This could be just >> about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's >> unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens >> with the filter off. >> >> The way to deal with this is to open up the deck >> on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the >> problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, >> trace the signal from input to the head. Like all >> intermittent problems, this can be time >> consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >>> made to Ron only. >>> >>> The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >>> >>> Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >>> recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about this >>> since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it didn't >>> have this problem. >>> >>> I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >>> mpx off, dolby off >>> rec mute >>> mpx off, dolby B >>> rec mute >>> mpx off, dolby C >>> rec mute >>> mpx on, dolby C >>> rec mute >>> mpx on, dolby B >>> rec mute >>> mpx on, dolby off >>> >>> you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >>> >>> there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >>> yesterday's FM record I did. >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes >>> >>> >>> >>> Doane Hoag a écrit : >>> >>>> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, or >>>> is it >>>> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis (used >>>> for >>>> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby tracking, it >>>> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>>> source. It >>>> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>>> >>>> Doane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>>> >>>> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded compressed and >>>> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I had >>>> the >>>> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>>> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>>> affected. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 17 21:43:20 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:43:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4353EFEF.9030307@rcn.com> References: <4352B36C.5060904@yahoo.ca> <43539B3D.3090307@rcn.com> <4353C286.1040301@yahoo.ca> <4353EFEF.9030307@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4353FED8.3010106@yahoo.ca> Hi, I just found (also) some orange caps. They are next to the Dolby circuits. Maybe the gain drop I had during the Dolby off test was some poor connections between the PC and the deck. The caps in the amplifier stage next to the heads connector are pale yellow. That's why I thought there were no orange caps. They were hidden under the wires. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > > Not really. A signal tracer will do just fine. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> OK. First have to buy a scope. >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Ron a écrit : >> >>> Antoine, >>> >>> It looks like you have an intermittent problem in >>> the record path of the deck. This could be just >>> about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's >>> unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens >>> with the filter off. >>> >>> The way to deal with this is to open up the deck >>> on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the >>> problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, >>> trace the signal from input to the head. Like all >>> intermittent problems, this can be time >>> consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> >>>> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >>>> made to Ron only. >>>> >>>> The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >>>> >>>> Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >>>> recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about >>>> this since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it >>>> didn't have this problem. >>>> >>>> I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >>>> mpx off, dolby off >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx off, dolby B >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx off, dolby C >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby C >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby B >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby off >>>> >>>> you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >>>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >>>> >>>> there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >>>> yesterday's FM record I did. >>>> >>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Doane Hoag a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, >>>>> or is it >>>>> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis >>>>> (used for >>>>> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby >>>>> tracking, it >>>>> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>>>> source. It >>>>> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>>>> >>>>> Doane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>>>> >>>>> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded >>>>> compressed and >>>>> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I >>>>> had the >>>>> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>>>> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>>>> affected. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From zbrak at yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 22:03:59 2005 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue Message-ID: <20051017200359.45339.qmail@web60013.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the takeup reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the right side of the cassette. I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the top off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . Greg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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With the top off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 17 22:57:38 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:57:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: <4353FED8.3010106@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Antoine: Look in your service manual parts list for each board and see if they list any caps as "pp" type for polypropylene... then look on the Nak PCB board to see if they are the orange ones like I attached a photo of in my earlier thread... here it is again: http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.jpg Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:43 PM To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) Hi, I just found (also) some orange caps. They are next to the Dolby circuits. Maybe the gain drop I had during the Dolby off test was some poor connections between the PC and the deck. The caps in the amplifier stage next to the heads connector are pale yellow. That's why I thought there were no orange caps. They were hidden under the wires. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > > Not really. A signal tracer will do just fine. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> OK. First have to buy a scope. >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Ron a écrit : >> >>> Antoine, >>> >>> It looks like you have an intermittent problem in >>> the record path of the deck. This could be just >>> about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's >>> unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens >>> with the filter off. >>> >>> The way to deal with this is to open up the deck >>> on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the >>> problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, >>> trace the signal from input to the head. Like all >>> intermittent problems, this can be time >>> consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> >>>> I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >>>> made to Ron only. >>>> >>>> The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >>>> >>>> Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >>>> recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about >>>> this since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it >>>> didn't have this problem. >>>> >>>> I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >>>> mpx off, dolby off >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx off, dolby B >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx off, dolby C >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby C >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby B >>>> rec mute >>>> mpx on, dolby off >>>> >>>> you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >>>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >>>> >>>> there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >>>> yesterday's FM record I did. >>>> >>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Doane Hoag a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, >>>>> or is it >>>>> just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis >>>>> (used for >>>>> noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby >>>>> tracking, it >>>>> should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>>>> source. It >>>>> sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>>>> >>>>> Doane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>>>> >>>>> I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded >>>>> compressed and >>>>> "muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I >>>>> had the >>>>> MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>>>> 75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>>>> affected. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flifton at mac.com Mon Oct 17 23:05:53 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:05:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: I noticed an interesting effect on my system today. One of the tweeters on my KEF-Q75's is blown. When I listen to a CD or other digital source, I can tell quite plainly that there is a hole in the sound on one side; in other words, it's quite clear that I'm missing a driver. However, when I listen to an analog source LP or tape, it's as if the auditory image is shifted to the left. In other words, instead of the soundstage coming from "between" my speakers, it comes from the side with the working tweeter. My theoretical explanation of this is that the analog source material captured psychoacoustic cues that were not sampled by the digital source. With one tweeter out, the cues fool the mind into perceiving a spatial image shifted towards the working tweeter. This is borne out by playing a tape of a CD. When I do this, I get the "hole" effect, just like playing the cd directly. It seems perhaps I have stumbled on a clear and easy to reproduce difference between analog and digital source material. cheers, Fred From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 17 23:45:35 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:45:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43541B7F.9000508@rcn.com> Duane, The motion sensor stops the tape, as it should. The problem is most likely a bad (or misadjusted) reel motor. One can try to rebuild it (with poor chance of success) or replace, as Jeff suggested. Greg, I do not believe the manual offers disassembly instructions and, the exploded view is kinda poor. Before doing anything else, check the reel motor adjustment VR601 -- see instructions 3.9 on page 5 of the service manual and pot location on Fig. 4 on the following page. If this doesn't work (it probably won't), you need to replace the motor. I've done it several times, always flying by the seat of my pants. Wasn't difficult at all for me. Can't guaranty the same about you... If you generally feel confident about your ability to tackle semi-complex mechanical assemblies, you probably can. But if you are not confident, I'd advise against it. It's easy to screw things up, royally -- being left with a handful of tiny screws that seem to belong nowhere is not good :-). Good luck, -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > I'm wondering if this could be that motion sensor circuit that monitors > tape movement? > > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *zbrak > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue > > I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common > problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the takeup > reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the right side of > the cassette. > > > I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the top > off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. > > Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell me > one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. > > Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this > service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I > looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it appears > to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. > > Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all > seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical guidance > on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . > > Greg From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 17 23:52:53 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:52:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43541D35.3080407@rcn.com> Unlikely. A simpler explanation is that the tweeter reproduces only very high frequencies (what's the cross-over frequency in your KEFs?). These frequencies are largely missing in run of the mill analog recordings. They are, however, present on a good Nak recording. I'll bet you will hear the effect clearly if you listen to a G-O-O-D LP. OTOH, you will not hear it when you listen to a mediocre digitally mastered LP. -- Ron Fred Lifton wrote: > I noticed an interesting effect on my system today. One of the tweeters > on my KEF-Q75's is blown. When I listen to a CD or other digital > source, I can tell quite plainly that there is a hole in the sound on > one side; in other words, it's quite clear that I'm missing a driver. > However, when I listen to an analog source LP or tape, it's as if the > auditory image is shifted to the left. In other words, instead of the > soundstage coming from "between" my speakers, it comes from the side > with the working tweeter. My theoretical explanation of this is that > the analog source material captured psychoacoustic cues that were not > sampled by the digital source. With one tweeter out, the cues fool the > mind into perceiving a spatial image shifted towards the working > tweeter. This is borne out by playing a tape of a CD. When I do this, I > get the "hole" effect, just like playing the cd directly. > > It seems perhaps I have stumbled on a clear and easy to reproduce > difference between analog and digital source material. > > cheers, > Fred From flifton at mac.com Mon Oct 17 23:12:32 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:12:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] signal generator Message-ID: <8E527A80-9667-4F09-9BB7-28ACBC183845@mac.com> Velleman makes a simple DIY signal generator kit. It's available at many places on the web, such as: http://www.apogeekits.com/ signal_generator_mk105.htm cheers, Fred From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 17 23:14:39 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:14:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4354143F.6010504@yahoo.ca> I don't have it. Someone has the SM? Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >Antoine: > >Look in your service manual parts list for each board and see if they list >any caps as "pp" type for polypropylene... then look on the Nak PCB board to >see if they are the orange ones like I attached a photo of in my earlier >thread... here it is again: http://rhoag.com/Forums/orange_caps.jpg > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:43 PM >To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) > > >Hi, I just found (also) some orange caps. They are next to the Dolby >circuits. Maybe the gain drop I had during the Dolby off test was some >poor connections between the PC and the deck. The caps in the amplifier >stage next to the heads connector are pale yellow. That's why I thought >there were no orange caps. They were hidden under the wires. > >Antoine Deschênes > > > >Ron a écrit : > > > >>Not really. A signal tracer will do just fine. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK. First have to buy a scope. >>> >>>Antoine Deschênes >>> >>> >>> >>>Ron a écrit : >>> >>> >>> >>>>Antoine, >>>> >>>>It looks like you have an intermittent problem in >>>>the record path of the deck. This could be just >>>>about anywhere, including the Dolby circuit. It's >>>>unlikely in the MPX filter, because you it happens >>>>with the filter off. >>>> >>>>The way to deal with this is to open up the deck >>>>on the bench, run a recording, then wait for the >>>>problem to occur as measured at the head. Then, >>>>trace the signal from input to the head. Like all >>>>intermittent problems, this can be time >>>>consuming -- not to say, frustrating -- repair. >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I had just tried with FM. I made a few tests, but the replies were >>>>>made to Ron only. >>>>> >>>>>The CD I recorded did that some times w/o Dolby. >>>>> >>>>>Note that this is intermittent. It started after about ½ of FM >>>>>recording. I guess the sliders are dirty but I doubt a bit about >>>>>this since the record levels can be heard thru the line out and it >>>>>didn't have this problem. >>>>> >>>>>I just made some tests:(from Beatles "1" CD, mono tunes): >>>>>mpx off, dolby off >>>>>rec mute >>>>>mpx off, dolby B >>>>>rec mute >>>>>mpx off, dolby C >>>>>rec mute >>>>>mpx on, dolby C >>>>>rec mute >>>>>mpx on, dolby B >>>>>rec mute >>>>>mpx on, dolby off >>>>> >>>>>you can find here in 64kbps OGG: >>>>>http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ >>>>> >>>>>there's an other file called bx2prob.ogg that is a sample of >>>>>yesterday's FM record I did. >>>>> >>>>>Antoine Deschênes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Doane Hoag a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Do you have the same symptoms when recording a CD using Dolby C, >>>>>>or is it >>>>>>just doing this when you record fm? I don't think the emphasis >>>>>>(used for >>>>>>noise reduction) is going to have any effect on your Dolby >>>>>>tracking, it >>>>>>should sound the same recorded as it did when you listened to the >>>>>>source. It >>>>>>sounds like you have some other problem in the Nak circuits. >>>>>> >>>>>>Doane >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>>>Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:00 AM >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 problem (again) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's my BX-2's problem number 569289502 >>>>>> >>>>>>I recorded FM with Dolby C and the right channel sounded >>>>>>compressed and >>>>>>"muffled". I don't remember if it happened with dolby off too. I >>>>>>had the >>>>>>MPX filter on, but the tuner was set to 25µS preemphasis instead of >>>>>>75µS. LOTS of treble, but I don't see why only one channel would be >>>>>>affected. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Antoine Deschênes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 17 23:22:37 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:22:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051017200359.45339.qmail@web60013.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051017200359.45339.qmail@web60013.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4354161D.6090907@yahoo.ca> The same thing happened to me with my BX-2. I rebuilt the drive motor and it seems to work fine(Since it's the drive motor that stops working). The commutator was really dirty. Replacing the motor is practically as hard as rebuilding it since the only difference is that you solder in a new motor instead of the same. Rebuild is not the hardest part in this. Note that my drive has the gear mod so I think it's easier to do. Some tips if you want to discover yourself how to do it : The shafts holding the hubs have some little rings on the top holing everything.You need to push in the hub spring to see them. Don't break or lose them. They are really hateful. I had to use my soldering iron @ 400°F to repair one of them. The left and right hubs are different. Use a flat screwdriver to remove what's on the shaft(I don't know what's there in an idler version). Also use it for both sides of the motor cap to pull out the contents. Hey, there's something you could try that seems a lot easier : Let the motor on the transport, remove everything from the shaft, unsolder the leads and just use a flat screwdriver to remove the cap on the back of the motor. Push the shaft to pull out the assy. You don't have to remove and disassemble the complete drive assembly this way. To refurb the motor, remove the part with the commutator from the cover, watch the teflon ring to prevent it from destroying the brushes. Then, put the long shaft part in a drill and use 1000 sand paper to clean it. No, you shouldn't see any black on the commutator. Just sand enough to remove a big part of it. If you sand too much, you will remove the plating. After that, put a bit of DeoxIT and progold or electrowash 2000 on the brushes to clean them. I don't have such products so I just sanded them. Antoine Deschênes zbrak a écrit : > I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common > problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the takeup > reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the right side > of the cassette. > > > I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the top > off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. > > > > Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell > me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. > > > > Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this > service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I > looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it > appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. > > > > Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all > seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical > guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . > > Greg > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 18 03:07:08 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:07:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <43542026.5090300@yahoo.ca> References: <43541B7F.9000508@rcn.com> <43542026.5090300@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43544ABC.9030106@rcn.com> More than half of the reel motors I tried to rebuild didn't make it. Either the brushes were gone, or the commutator was eaten through, or the motor seemed OK after the rebuild but when put back into the deck still didn't work properly and had to be replaced. So, you're either better than me or luckier than me or you haven't done enough of them to see all the failures :-). -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > A rebuild seems to have fixed my BX-2. > > Antoine Deschênes > > Ron a écrit : > >> Duane, >> >> The motion sensor stops the tape, as it should. The problem >> is most likely a bad (or misadjusted) reel motor. One can try >> to rebuild it (with poor chance of success) or replace, as >> Jeff suggested. >> >> Greg, >> >> I do not believe the manual offers disassembly instructions >> and, the exploded view is kinda poor. >> >> Before doing anything else, check the reel motor adjustment >> VR601 -- see instructions 3.9 on page 5 of the service >> manual and pot location on Fig. 4 on the following page. >> >> If this doesn't work (it probably won't), you need to >> replace the motor. I've done it several times, always >> flying by the seat of my pants. Wasn't difficult at all >> for me. Can't guaranty the same about you... If you >> generally feel confident about your ability to tackle >> semi-complex mechanical assemblies, you probably can. >> But if you are not confident, I'd advise against it. >> It's easy to screw things up, royally -- being left with >> a handful of tiny screws that seem to belong nowhere is >> not good :-). >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Doane Hoag wrote: >> >>> I'm wondering if this could be that motion sensor circuit that >>> monitors tape movement? >>> >>> Doane >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On >>> Behalf Of *zbrak >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 PM >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue >>> >>> I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common >>> problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the >>> takeup reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the >>> right side of the cassette. >>> >>> >>> I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the top >>> off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. >>> >>> Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell >>> me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. >>> >>> Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this >>> service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I >>> looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it >>> appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. >>> >>> Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all >>> seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical >>> guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . >>> >>> Greg From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 18 00:05:26 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:05:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <43541B7F.9000508@rcn.com> References: <43541B7F.9000508@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43542026.5090300@yahoo.ca> A rebuild seems to have fixed my BX-2. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > Duane, > > The motion sensor stops the tape, as it should. The problem > is most likely a bad (or misadjusted) reel motor. One can try > to rebuild it (with poor chance of success) or replace, as > Jeff suggested. > > Greg, > > I do not believe the manual offers disassembly instructions > and, the exploded view is kinda poor. > > Before doing anything else, check the reel motor adjustment > VR601 -- see instructions 3.9 on page 5 of the service > manual and pot location on Fig. 4 on the following page. > > If this doesn't work (it probably won't), you need to > replace the motor. I've done it several times, always > flying by the seat of my pants. Wasn't difficult at all > for me. Can't guaranty the same about you... If you > generally feel confident about your ability to tackle > semi-complex mechanical assemblies, you probably can. > But if you are not confident, I'd advise against it. > It's easy to screw things up, royally -- being left with > a handful of tiny screws that seem to belong nowhere is > not good :-). > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> I'm wondering if this could be that motion sensor circuit that >> monitors tape movement? >> >> Doane >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On >> Behalf Of *zbrak >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 PM >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue >> >> I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common >> problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the >> takeup reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the >> right side of the cassette. >> >> >> I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the top >> off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. >> >> Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell >> me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. >> >> Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this >> service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I >> looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it >> appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. >> >> Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all >> seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical >> guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . >> >> Greg > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From triesz at actewagl.net.au Tue Oct 18 01:00:18 2005 From: triesz at actewagl.net.au (Ted Riesz) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:00:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Caps In-Reply-To: <4354143F.6010504@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <002c01c5d36e$8c838520$6502a8c0@p4> Do not know if this helps but an old Nak tech once told me to swap the critical caps prone to failure (from memory the ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads) with ones with a much higher voltage rating. I remember the ones in question were small orange ones such as recently discussed. Hope this helps and my apologies if this has already been discussed. Regards Ted Riesz Canberra AUSTRALIA From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 01:01:32 2005 From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Eats Tape Message-ID: <20051017230132.5543.qmail@web42401.mail.yahoo.com> All, Hi - Am new to NakTalk but have been reading posts for a few weeks and think I have the hang of things. I have a BX300 with an odd problem. Every 20 or so tapes I play it starts to mangle the tape on the supply side. It will do this for a random number of play/stop cycles where upon it plays fine for another 20 or so tapes. No problems with FF or REW - works perfectly otherwise. I've cleaned the mechanism, demagnatised, inspected the idlers etc. and don't see any obvious problems. Anybody have any idea's?? Thanks in advance, Geoff Grass Valley, CA __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 18 03:24:14 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:24:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <43544ABC.9030106@rcn.com> References: <43541B7F.9000508@rcn.com> <43542026.5090300@yahoo.ca> <43544ABC.9030106@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43544EBE.5090004@yahoo.ca> I don't know if it's the original motor. There are 3 bruses in parallel in my case and the commutator has some kind of plating on it. Antoine Deschênes Ron a écrit : > > More than half of the reel motors I tried to rebuild > didn't make it. Either the brushes were gone, or the > commutator was eaten through, or the motor seemed OK > after the rebuild but when put back into the deck > still didn't work properly and had to be replaced. > So, you're either better than me or luckier than me > or you haven't done enough of them to see all the > failures :-). > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> A rebuild seems to have fixed my BX-2. >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> Ron a écrit : >> >>> Duane, >>> >>> The motion sensor stops the tape, as it should. The problem >>> is most likely a bad (or misadjusted) reel motor. One can try >>> to rebuild it (with poor chance of success) or replace, as >>> Jeff suggested. >>> >>> Greg, >>> >>> I do not believe the manual offers disassembly instructions >>> and, the exploded view is kinda poor. >>> >>> Before doing anything else, check the reel motor adjustment >>> VR601 -- see instructions 3.9 on page 5 of the service >>> manual and pot location on Fig. 4 on the following page. >>> >>> If this doesn't work (it probably won't), you need to >>> replace the motor. I've done it several times, always >>> flying by the seat of my pants. Wasn't difficult at all >>> for me. Can't guaranty the same about you... If you >>> generally feel confident about your ability to tackle >>> semi-complex mechanical assemblies, you probably can. >>> But if you are not confident, I'd advise against it. >>> It's easy to screw things up, royally -- being left with >>> a handful of tiny screws that seem to belong nowhere is >>> not good :-). >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Doane Hoag wrote: >>> >>>> I'm wondering if this could be that motion sensor circuit that >>>> monitors tape movement? >>>> >>>> Doane >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *zbrak >>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 PM >>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue >>>> >>>> I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common >>>> problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the >>>> takeup reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the >>>> right side of the cassette. >>>> >>>> >>>> I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the >>>> top off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after >>>> a while. >>>> >>>> Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can >>>> sell me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do >>>> the swap. >>>> >>>> Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this >>>> service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I >>>> looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it >>>> appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. >>>> >>>> Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks >>>> all seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical >>>> guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . >>>> >>>> Greg >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 18 03:30:34 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:30:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Common Nak problems Message-ID: <4354503A.8050604@yahoo.ca> What's the link to that website again? -- Antoine Deschênes From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 18 03:37:51 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:37:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Caps In-Reply-To: <002c01c5d36e$8c838520$6502a8c0@p4> Message-ID: I'm in the process of doing just that, on an LX-5 and a ZX-7. I ended up finding almost all the polyproplene 100v caps 2%-5% at Mouser... total for all caps for both decks is about $30 ...not bad Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:00 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; rob at rhoag.com Subject: Nak Caps Do not know if this helps but an old Nak tech once told me to swap the critical caps prone to failure (from memory the ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads) with ones with a much higher voltage rating. I remember the ones in question were small orange ones such as recently discussed. Hope this helps and my apologies if this has already been discussed. Regards Ted Riesz Canberra AUSTRALIA From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 04:23:22 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051018022322.32707.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess that all that computation and sampling still isn't to capture everything thats required to reproduce music fully. Its more then just sampling and re-creating sine waves. Another phenomenon I noticed is that when listening to a digital source, be it cd, digital broad cast or digital TV, the sound is much softer but get can quite loud at times. Analogue seems to baost better dynamics but doesn;t have this problem. Can anyone explain why? Bala Fred Lifton wrote: I noticed an interesting effect on my system today. One of the tweeters on my KEF-Q75's is blown. When I listen to a CD or other digital source, I can tell quite plainly that there is a hole in the sound on one side; in other words, it's quite clear that I'm missing a driver. However, when I listen to an analog source LP or tape, it's as if the auditory image is shifted to the left. In other words, instead of the soundstage coming from "between" my speakers, it comes from the side with the working tweeter. My theoretical explanation of this is that the analog source material captured psychoacoustic cues that were not sampled by the digital source. With one tweeter out, the cues fool the mind into perceiving a spatial image shifted towards the working tweeter. This is borne out by playing a tape of a CD. When I do this, I get the "hole" effect, just like playing the cd directly. It seems perhaps I have stumbled on a clear and easy to reproduce difference between analog and digital source material. cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triesz at actewagl.net.au Tue Oct 18 04:35:22 2005 From: triesz at actewagl.net.au (Ted Riesz) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:35:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c5d38c$97615df0$6502a8c0@p4> Doane >From memory I was advised to use 600V ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads (trusting my memory here) but these were only very small caps. Apparently the HF gives the caps a hard time. Regards Ted -----Original Message----- From: Doane Hoag [mailto:rob at rhoag.com] Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 11:38 AM To: Ted Riesz; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps I'm in the process of doing just that, on an LX-5 and a ZX-7. I ended up finding almost all the polyproplene 100v caps 2%-5% at Mouser... total for all caps for both decks is about $30 ...not bad Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:00 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; rob at rhoag.com Subject: Nak Caps Do not know if this helps but an old Nak tech once told me to swap the critical caps prone to failure (from memory the ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads) with ones with a much higher voltage rating. I remember the ones in question were small orange ones such as recently discussed. Hope this helps and my apologies if this has already been discussed. Regards Ted Riesz Canberra AUSTRALIA From zbrak at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 06:36:09 2005 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue Message-ID: <20051018043609.75295.qmail@web60015.mail.yahoo.com> Ron -- I tried the VR601 adjustment (hint: turn CCW instead of CW) and lo and behold it seems to have helped -- it made it to the end of an MA-110, which was unheard of before I did this. Thanks!!!!! I'm hoping that was really it, but I'm a little nervous. A few follow-ups if I may -- any time I can get advice from obvious experts, I'm a happy guy. :-) 1) What are the risks of the VR601 adjustment? Is it going to put too much strain on the tape? I'm guessing that pot just gives more juice to the reel motor. How much is too much? It's pretty close to its limit now, but I only turned it up about a quarter turn. 2) I may yet need to replace the motor. I had actually tried to take the thing apart previously (I was thinking about trying to rebuild the motor myself, although those kind of things rarely work in my experience), and the issue I was wondering about is how you get the transport out of its area. I found the four screws that hold the transport along the bottom and figured out how to get the front bezel off. But once the transport was loose, the back of the assembly was up against the main PCB board and there wasn't enough room to get a clean lift. How the heck do you get that thing out of there? Anyhow, thanks again for the awesome help. I really am hoping that this little pot adjustment (so simple!) does the trick for good. Greg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 13:09:45 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <43544ABC.9030106@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051018110945.94879.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron you are right. Reel motors cannot be rebuilt like the cam mode motor. They can cause tape getting eaten while in play mode. Somebody had adjusted the reel motor torque adjustment pot in the other posts - be warned of this motor failure soon unless you are very lucky without further assistance. Better to replace reel motors - costs a fortune if bought new though! - require a good knowledge of Sankyo transport disassembly - re assembly. Kannan Ron wrote: More than half of the reel motors I tried to rebuild didn't make it. Either the brushes were gone, or the commutator was eaten through, or the motor seemed OK after the rebuild but when put back into the deck still didn't work properly and had to be replaced. So, you're either better than me or luckier than me or you haven't done enough of them to see all the failures :-). -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > A rebuild seems to have fixed my BX-2. > > Antoine Deschênes > > Ron a écrit : > >> Duane, >> >> The motion sensor stops the tape, as it should. The problem >> is most likely a bad (or misadjusted) reel motor. One can try >> to rebuild it (with poor chance of success) or replace, as >> Jeff suggested. >> >> Greg, >> >> I do not believe the manual offers disassembly instructions >> and, the exploded view is kinda poor. >> >> Before doing anything else, check the reel motor adjustment >> VR601 -- see instructions 3.9 on page 5 of the service >> manual and pot location on Fig. 4 on the following page. >> >> If this doesn't work (it probably won't), you need to >> replace the motor. I've done it several times, always >> flying by the seat of my pants. Wasn't difficult at all >> for me. Can't guaranty the same about you... If you >> generally feel confident about your ability to tackle >> semi-complex mechanical assemblies, you probably can. >> But if you are not confident, I'd advise against it. >> It's easy to screw things up, royally -- being left with >> a handful of tiny screws that seem to belong nowhere is >> not good :-). >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Doane Hoag wrote: >> >>> I'm wondering if this could be that motion sensor circuit that >>> monitors tape movement? >>> >>> Doane >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On >>> Behalf Of *zbrak >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 PM >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue >>> >>> I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common >>> problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the >>> takeup reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the >>> right side of the cassette. >>> >>> >>> I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With the top >>> off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after a while. >>> >>> Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they can sell >>> me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do the swap. >>> >>> Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this >>> service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I >>> looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it >>> appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. >>> >>> Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The Naks all >>> seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical >>> guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in advance . . . >>> >>> Greg ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 18 14:42:17 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:42:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <20051018022322.32707.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051018022322.32707.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4354EDA9.1010209@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I guess that all that computation and sampling still isn't to capture > everything thats required to reproduce music fully. Actually, it does. > Its more then just > sampling and re-creating sine waves. Another phenomenon I noticed is > that when listening to a digital source, be it cd, digital broad cast or > digital TV, the sound is much softer but get can quite loud at times. That's because digital sound has, BY FAR, wider dynamic range (roughly, 96db vs. 60db to 70db for analog). What you are hearing is the recording engineer's choice. > Analogue seems to baost better dynamics ... No, it doesn't even come close. > but doesn;t have this problem. This "problem" of wide dynamic range can be "corrected" by a dynamic compressor. > Can anyone explain why? I just did. -- Ron > > Bala > > */Fred Lifton /* wrote: > > I noticed an interesting effect on my system today. One of the > tweeters on my KEF-Q75's is blown. When I listen to a CD or other > digital source, I can tell quite plainly that there is a hole in the > sound on one side; in other words, it's quite clear that I'm missing > a driver. However, when I listen to an analog source LP or tape, it's > as if the auditory image is shifted to the left. In other words, > instead of the soundstage coming from "between" my speakers, it comes > from the side with the working tweeter. My theoretical explanation of > this is that the analog source material captured psychoacoustic cues > that were not sampled by the digital source. With one tweeter out, > the cues fool the mind into perceiving a spatial image shifted > towards the working tweeter. This is borne out by playing a tape of a > CD. When I do this, I get the! "hole" effect, just like playing the cd > directly. > > It seems perhaps I have stumbled on a clear and easy to reproduce > difference between analog and digital source material. > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 18 14:55:57 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:55:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051018043609.75295.qmail@web60015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018043609.75295.qmail@web60015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4354F0DD.1010808@rcn.com> zbrak wrote: > Ron -- > I tried the VR601 adjustment (hint: turn CCW instead of CW) and lo and > behold it seems > to have helped -- it made it to the end of an MA-110, which was unheard > of before I did this. > > Thanks!!!!! I'm hoping that was really it, but I'm a little nervous. > > A few follow-ups if I may -- any time I can get advice from obvious > experts, I'm a happy guy. :-) > > 1) What are the risks of the VR601 adjustment? None -- if you did it correctly by the book. > Is it going to put too much strain on the tape? Only if you grossly misadjusted. > I'm guessing that pot just gives more juice to the reel motor. Yes, but that is a small fraction of the 'juice' the motor gets in FF and REW. > How much > is too much? It's pretty close to its limit now, but I only turned it up > about a quarter turn. You shouldn't just 'turn it up' but do the adjustment exactly as instructed. Then, if you need to turn it up further to make the motor work, it may need to be serviced or replaced. > 2) I may yet need to replace the motor. I had actually tried to take the > thing apart previously (I was thinking about trying to rebuild the motor > myself, although those kind of things rarely work in my experience), and > the issue I was wondering about is how you get the transport out of its > area. I found the four screws that hold the transport along the bottom > and figured out how to get the front bezel off. But once the transport > was loose, the back of the assembly was up against the main PCB board > and there wasn't enough room to get a clean lift. How the heck do you > get that thing out of there? You don't need to remove the transport to take the reel motor out. I've taken the transport in a BX-300 out and do remember that space was very tight, but not exactly how I did it. Possibly, the front panel needs to be loosened? > Anyhow, thanks again for the awesome help. I really am hoping that this > little pot adjustment (so simple!) does the trick for good. > Greg From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 18 15:03:20 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:03:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051018110945.94879.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051018110945.94879.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4354F298.6030508@rcn.com> I think the problem is that the motor bearings need to be absolutely smooth, with no drag whatsoever, for it to work at 3V or so. If the bearing is just dirty, then cleaning and lubricating during the rebuild should help. If the bearing is worn, the motor may seem to work OK after the rebuild but still cause take up problems. IME, the rebuild is successful in about 1 motor in 3, while just about all control motor rebuilds are successful. -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron > you are right. Reel motors cannot be rebuilt like the cam mode motor. > They can cause tape getting eaten while in play mode. Somebody had > adjusted the reel motor torque adjustment pot in the other posts - be > warned of this motor failure soon unless you are very lucky without > further assistance. > Better to replace reel motors - costs a fortune if bought new though! - > require a good knowledge of Sankyo transport disassembly - re assembly. > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > More than half of the reel motors I tried to rebuild > didn't make it. Either the brushes were gone, or the > commutator was eaten through, or the motor seemed OK > after the rebuild but when put back into the deck > still didn't work properly and had to be replaced. > So, you're either better than me or luckier than me > or you haven't done enough of them to see all the > failures :-). > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > A rebuild seems to have fixed my BX-2. > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > Ron a écrit : > > > >> Duane, > >> > >> The motion sensor stops the tape, as it should. The problem > >> is most likely a bad (or misadjusted) reel motor. One can try > >> to rebuild it (with poor chance of success) or replace, as > >> Jeff suggested. > >> > >> Greg, > >> > >> I do not believe the manual offers disassembly instructions > >> and, the exploded view is kinda poor. > >> > >> Before doing anything else, check the reel motor adjustment > >> VR601 -- see instructions 3.9 on page 5 of the service > >> manual and pot location on Fig. 4 on the following page. > >> > >> If this doesn't work (it probably won't), you need to > >> replace the motor. I've done it several times, always > >> flying by the seat of my pants. Wasn't difficult at all > >> for me. Can't guaranty the same about you... If you > >> generally feel confident about your ability to tackle > >> semi-complex mechanical assemblies, you probably can. > >> But if you are not confident, I'd advise against it. > >> It's easy to screw things up, royally -- being left with > >> a handful of tiny screws that seem to belong nowhere is > >> not good :-). > >> > >> Good luck, > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Doane Hoag wrote: > >> > >>> I'm wondering if this could be that motion sensor circuit that > >>> monitors tape movement? > >>> > >>> Doane > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > >>> Behalf Of *zbrak > >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 PM > >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com > >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue > >>> > >>> I have a Nak BX-300 cassette deck which has an apparently common > >>> problem. If it runs for a while, it regularly stops because the > >>> takeup reel fails to turn and a small loop of tape extends on the > >>> right side of the cassette. > >>> > >>> > >>> I replaced the idler tire, but the problem still exists. With > the top > >>> off of the deck, I can see that the motor just stops dead after > a while. > >>> > >>> Jeff from eslabs.com said the motor needs replacing and they > can sell > >>> me one. However, they do not provide instructions on how to do > the swap. > >>> > >>> Has anyone here ever swapped out this motor? Does anyone have this > >>> service instructions who could tell me what the basic steps are? I > >>> looked at the BX-300 manual at http://www.naks.mine.nu/, but it > >>> appears to be missing the sections that describe the assemblies. > >>> > >>> Basically, any help at all on this would be appreciated. The > Naks all > >>> seem easy enough to work on, but I'd still like some technical > >>> guidance on this before attempting it cold. -- Thanks in adv! > ance . . . > >>> > >>> Greg > From zbrak at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 16:47:23 2005 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue Message-ID: <20051018144723.33240.qmail@web60019.mail.yahoo.com> Ron -- The service manual says to adjust the pot with a Sony torque-measuring device (a TW211) that, needless to say, I don't own. So doing it exactly by the book is not possible. That's why I was curious as to the risks if it was misadjusted. I am going to try to tweak it until it is just to the point where the tape keeps taking up. Do you remember hjow you got the motor out without removing the transport? Thanks again for all the help! Greg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 19:49:28 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051018144723.33240.qmail@web60019.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051018174928.37960.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Measure the voltage across reel motor while in play mode without any tape - should be about 2.0V( adjust pot to get 2.0 -2.5V ) while with the tape it goes to about 3.0V . If it is in good condition it should be 3 Volts - 3.5V max. Check the voltage in FF /REW should be 5.8 -6.0 V. If there is lot of deviation from these - good chance motor needs replacement or check the drive circuit elements. Motor replacement needs removal of reel hubs and cannot be easily done without removal of transport which is not difficult. All connections from transport to PCB are using connectors, so it is fairly easy to take the transport out and work with it Kannan zbrak wrote: Ron -- The service manual says to adjust the pot with a Sony torque-measuring device (a TW211) that, needless to say, I don't own. So doing it exactly by the book is not possible. That's why I was curious as to the risks if it was misadjusted. I am going to try to tweak it until it is just to the point where the tape keeps taking up. Do you remember hjow you got the motor out without removing the transport? Thanks again for all the help! Greg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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Circuit schematics clearly shows the Voltage at different motor mode like FF /Play etc. Kannan zbrak wrote: Ron -- The service manual says to adjust the pot with a Sony torque-measuring device (a TW211) that, needless to say, I don't own. So doing it exactly by the book is not possible. That's why I was curious as to the risks if it was misadjusted. I am going to try to tweak it until it is just to the point where the tape keeps taking up. Do you remember hjow you got the motor out without removing the transport? Thanks again for all the help! Greg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 18 20:31:40 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:31:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051018144723.33240.qmail@web60019.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018144723.33240.qmail@web60019.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43553F8C.1030605@rcn.com> zbrak wrote: > Ron -- > The service manual says to adjust the pot with a Sony torque-measuring > device (a TW211) that, needless to say, I don't own. So doing it exactly > by the book is not possible. I don't have that gauge either. I just apply some drag with a finger and set the pot for smooth rotation. If you have a correctly operating deck set it to play top feel what the correct torque feels like. > That's why I was curious as to the risks if > it was misadjusted. I am going to try to tweak it until it is just to > the point where the tape keeps taking up. Or, just beyond that point, so it takes up reliably. > > Do you remember hjow you got the motor out without removing the transport? Sorry, I do not. It's not like I do this for a living, but I've done it enough times to remember it's doable. I have a couple of Sankyo based decks in my workshop. I'll take a look to refresh my memory when I get the time. Give me a few days. -- Ron > > Thanks again for all the help! > Greg From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 18 22:37:22 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:37:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051018174928.37960.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051018174928.37960.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43555D02.40208@rcn.com> kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Measure the voltage across reel motor while in play mode without any > tape - should be about 2.0V( adjust pot to get 2.0 -2.5V ) while with > the tape it goes to about 3.0V . If it is in good condition it should be > 3 Volts - 3.5V max. Check the voltage in FF /REW should be 5.8 -6.0 V. > If there is lot of deviation from these - good chance motor needs > replacement or check the drive circuit elements. > > Motor replacement needs removal of reel hubs and cannot be easily done > without removal of transport which is not difficult. Well, I just went down to the workshop and pulled out a BX-100 that I was going to refurbish any day now for the past 6 months. I haven't removed anything, but looked at the transport. Looks like it would be child's play to either remove the transport as a unit or just the reel motor. But the BX-300 is a different story, due to the amount of stuff right behind the transport and the larger capstan motor. I pulled out a parts MR-1 (same as the BX-300 in this area). Unfortunately, the transport was already out and the reel motor removed, so I couldn't tell which came out first. If I were to do the same job again, I would try to remove the reel motor. First, I'd take out the reel hubs (heeding Antoine's advice concerning the tiny washers). Then, loosen from the back the capstan motor PCB, followed by both capstans (they can be wriggled out), followed by the plate that blocks access to the lower reel motor plate screw. If memory serves, this screw has to be loosened, not removed, since the plate has a slot. OTOH, Kannan may be quite right and it's easier to take out the transport, then work on it in the open. I wish you were close by to me (Metro West area near Boston, MA). I'd invite you over and we'd do it together... -- Ron > All connections from transport to PCB are using connectors, so it is > fairly easy to take the transport out and work with it > Kannan > > */zbrak /* wrote: > > Ron -- > The service manual says to adjust the pot with a Sony > torque-measuring device (a TW211) that, needless to say, I don't > own. So doing it exactly by the book is not possible. That's why I > was curious as to the risks if it was misadjusted. I am going to try > to tweak it until it is just to the point where the tape keeps > taking up. > > Do you remember hjow you got the motor out without removing the > transport? > > Thanks again for all the help! > Greg From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 18 17:07:58 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:07:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Caps In-Reply-To: <000801c5d38c$97615df0$6502a8c0@p4> Message-ID: Ted.. not sure which ones he might have been talking about. There are several orange pp caps in the head bias cuircuit, but I don't think they would be exposed to any high voltages. Maybe Ron or someone else knows. I'm replacing about 40+ orange Polypropylene caps in the two decks and most are schematic/parts listed as 100v. I used some tighter tolerance then I needed too, several 2% and the rest 5%, but it didn't cost all that much for both decks. I got them all at Mouser. Digi-Key has the Panasonic ECG series polypropylene caps in 100v 5%, but all are minimum orders of 10. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:35 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps Doane >From memory I was advised to use 600V ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads (trusting my memory here) but these were only very small caps. Apparently the HF gives the caps a hard time. Regards Ted -----Original Message----- From: Doane Hoag [mailto:rob at rhoag.com] Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 11:38 AM To: Ted Riesz; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps I'm in the process of doing just that, on an LX-5 and a ZX-7. I ended up finding almost all the polyproplene 100v caps 2%-5% at Mouser... total for all caps for both decks is about $30 ...not bad Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:00 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; rob at rhoag.com Subject: Nak Caps Do not know if this helps but an old Nak tech once told me to swap the critical caps prone to failure (from memory the ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads) with ones with a much higher voltage rating. I remember the ones in question were small orange ones such as recently discussed. Hope this helps and my apologies if this has already been discussed. Regards Ted Riesz Canberra AUSTRALIA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone point me in the correct direction for home repair? I have downloaded the service manual.. many thanks adrian From triesz at actewagl.net.au Wed Oct 19 00:40:25 2005 From: triesz at actewagl.net.au (Ted Riesz) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:40:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003301c5d435$048557d0$6502a8c0@p4> Doane Think there were two. The point he made was that while the voltages were not high, a much higher voltage cap would prove more reliable where it was worked hard such as in the head bias circuit. After all polyprop caps should be reliable and in ordinary circumstances the ones Nakamichi put in should not be prone to failure. Regards Ted -----Original Message----- From: Doane Hoag [mailto:rob at rhoag.com] Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2005 1:08 AM To: Ted Riesz; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps Ted.. not sure which ones he might have been talking about. There are several orange pp caps in the head bias cuircuit, but I don't think they would be exposed to any high voltages. Maybe Ron or someone else knows. I'm replacing about 40+ orange Polypropylene caps in the two decks and most are schematic/parts listed as 100v. I used some tighter tolerance then I needed too, several 2% and the rest 5%, but it didn't cost all that much for both decks. I got them all at Mouser. Digi-Key has the Panasonic ECG series polypropylene caps in 100v 5%, but all are minimum orders of 10. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:35 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps Doane >From memory I was advised to use 600V ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads (trusting my memory here) but these were only very small caps. Apparently the HF gives the caps a hard time. Regards Ted From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 19 01:35:03 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:35:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Caps In-Reply-To: <003301c5d435$048557d0$6502a8c0@p4> Message-ID: That could be and I appreciate the information. Wish I could respond more intelligently on it. :~) I think the original orange polypropylene caps that Nakamichi used were simply from a not so good vendor, or the quality was not that great, for them to break down as everyone has been reporting. Usually capacitors seem to hold up pretty well, in my experience, unless they are the larger polarized electrolytics, like in the older power supplies, which can start leaking and go bad. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:40 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps Doane Think there were two. The point he made was that while the voltages were not high, a much higher voltage cap would prove more reliable where it was worked hard such as in the head bias circuit. After all polyprop caps should be reliable and in ordinary circumstances the ones Nakamichi put in should not be prone to failure. Regards Ted -----Original Message----- From: Doane Hoag [mailto:rob at rhoag.com] Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2005 1:08 AM To: Ted Riesz; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps Ted.. not sure which ones he might have been talking about. There are several orange pp caps in the head bias cuircuit, but I don't think they would be exposed to any high voltages. Maybe Ron or someone else knows. I'm replacing about 40+ orange Polypropylene caps in the two decks and most are schematic/parts listed as 100v. I used some tighter tolerance then I needed too, several 2% and the rest 5%, but it didn't cost all that much for both decks. I got them all at Mouser. Digi-Key has the Panasonic ECG series polypropylene caps in 100v 5%, but all are minimum orders of 10. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ted Riesz [mailto:triesz at actewagl.net.au] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:35 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: Nak Caps Doane >From memory I was advised to use 600V ones in the HF modulation circuit on the heads (trusting my memory here) but these were only very small caps. Apparently the HF gives the caps a hard time. Regards Ted -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 19 01:53:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:53:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <4354EDA9.1010209@rcn.com> References: <20051018022322.32707.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4354EDA9.1010209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43558AE4.3070603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> I guess that all that computation and sampling still isn't to capture >> everything thats required to reproduce music fully. > > > Actually, it does. Actually, it doesn't, which is why the digital people keep coming up with "better" formats and standards. > That's because digital sound has, BY FAR, wider dynamic > range (roughly, 96db vs. 60db to 70db for analog). What > you are hearing is the recording engineer's choice. Odd. I was getting 93 dB dynamic range using dbx II and a Nakamichi 600-II -- and 100 dB dynamic range using dbx I and a Scully 280B -- IN THE 1970s! I've found my digital system is a DOWNGRADE with regard to dynamic range versus what I'm accustomed to with my analog gear. >> Analogue seems to baost better dynamics ... > > > No, it doesn't even come close. Sorry, but I've been faithful to my Nakamichi decks AND my other analog gear precisely because it DOES boast better dynamics compared to all but the highest-end digital, which is equal but not better than analog with regard to dynamics. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From zbrak at yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 06:46:02 2005 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue Message-ID: <20051019044602.57066.qmail@web60020.mail.yahoo.com> So I called the local hi-fi store that probably sold this Nak new to the original owner (me being the second owner). There's a tech in town who services these (about a mile and a half from my house, actually). I called him and he quoted me $50 to replace the motor, on top of the $75 to get the part from eslabs. I'm just going to go ahead and get the motor and have this guy put it in. From all I am gathering, it's probably the best course of action. Thanks again for all the info. This is a great place. I'll have to do another thread about the pair of lovely 600s that I own. Great decks, and solid. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 09:52:30 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43558AE4.3070603@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051019075231.79617.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So we have a correlation in observation! Some have blamed mastering engineers for the rather compressed sound we get from digital formats. When I bought my Sony W33 cd recorder, I was trembling with excitement. I transferred one of my Toshiba Super-Cut Direct to Disc lps to CD. The Sony was using an Emtec ceramic coated media. The cut on the lp is so super, that they had to cut the grooves using a very wide pitch. Each side was playable for about 15 minutes. When I played back the cd on my reference cd transport + DAC combo, it was an utter disappointment. The dynamics and slam simply wasn't there! When I switched to my Aiwa Excelia XK009 and turned dbx on, it delivered even more dynamic and content then the source appeared to have! When I switched to my Teac X1000R reel to reel with dbx, it was a whole new chapter. It was like comparing a solar car to a 1957 Mercedes. Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Ron, Ron wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> I guess that all that computation and sampling still isn't to capture >> everything thats required to reproduce music fully. > > > Actually, it does. Actually, it doesn't, which is why the digital people keep coming up with "better" formats and standards. > That's because digital sound has, BY FAR, wider dynamic > range (roughly, 96db vs. 60db to 70db for analog). What > you are hearing is the recording engineer's choice. Odd. I was getting 93 dB dynamic range using dbx II and a Nakamichi 600-II -- and 100 dB dynamic range using dbx I and a Scully 280B -- IN THE 1970s! I've found my digital system is a DOWNGRADE with regard to dynamic range versus what I'm accustomed to with my analog gear. >> Analogue seems to baost better dynamics ... > > > No, it doesn't even come close. Sorry, but I've been faithful to my Nakamichi decks AND my other analog gear precisely because it DOES boast better dynamics compared to all but the highest-end digital, which is equal but not better than analog with regard to dynamics. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 19 17:14:30 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:14:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 takeup issue In-Reply-To: <20051019044602.57066.qmail@web60020.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051019044602.57066.qmail@web60020.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <435662D6.5040408@yahoo.ca> Or you could try a rebuild, but I was lucky to have it succeful. I shouldn't tell that it worked, I'll start to have problems... Antoine Deschênes zbrak a écrit : > So I called the local hi-fi store that probably sold this Nak new to > the original owner > (me being the second owner). There's a tech in town who services these > (about a mile and a half from my house, actually). I called him and > he quoted me $50 to replace the motor, > on top of the $75 to get the part from eslabs. I'm just going to go > ahead and get the > motor and have this guy put it in. From all I am gathering, it's > probably the best course of > action. > > Thanks again for all the info. This is a great place. I'll have to do > another thread about the pair > of lovely 600s that I own. Great decks, and solid. > From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 19 18:55:06 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:55:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <20051019075231.79617.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:53 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics So we have a correlation in observation! Some have blamed mastering engineers for the rather compressed sound we get from digital formats. When I bought my Sony W33 cd recorder, I was trembling with excitement. I transferred one of my Toshiba Super-Cut Direct to Disc lps to CD. The Sony was using an Emtec ceramic coated media. The cut on the lp is so super, that they had to cut the grooves using a very wide pitch. Each side was playable for about 15 minutes. When I played back the cd on my reference cd transport + DAC combo, it was an utter disappointment. The dynamics and slam simply wasn't there! When I switched to my Aiwa Excelia XK009 and turned dbx on, it delivered even more dynamic and content then the source appeared to have! When I switched to my Teac X1000R reel to reel with dbx, it was a whole new chapter. It was like comparing a solar car to a 1957 Mercedes. Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Ron, Ron wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> I guess that all that computation and sampling still isn't to capture >> everything thats required to reproduce music fully. > > > Actually, it does. Actually, it doesn't, which is why the digital people keep coming up with "better" formats and standards. > That's because digital sound has, BY FAR, wider dynamic > range (roughly, 96db vs. 60db to 70db for analog). What > you are hearing is the recording engineer's choice. Odd. I was getting 93 dB dynamic range using dbx II and a Nakamichi 600-II -- and 100 dB dynamic range using dbx I and a Scully 280B -- IN THE 1970s! I've found my digital system is a DOWNGRADE with regard to dynamic range versus what I'm accustomed to with my analog gear. >> ! Analogue seems to baost better dynamics ... > > > No, it doesn't even come close. Sorry, but I've been faithful to my Nakamichi decks AND my other analog gear precisely because it DOES boast better dynamics compared to all but the highest-end digital, which is equal but not better than analog with regard to dynamics. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 19 20:18:28 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:18:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43568DF4.8020601@rcn.com> Doane Hoag wrote: > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's > even possible) :~) Interesting question... DBX was an analog system. However, it could be applied before digitization and recording and decoded after the DAC in PB. Advantages would be minimal (say, you increase S/N ratio from 96db to 106db. not a big deal) and there are still the disadvantages of 'breathing' and 'pumping', not to mention, increased distortion. No, the way to reduce noise further in digital recordings is to increase the number of bits. Say, to 24 bits. However, with existing 16 bit red book CDs, the improvement is hardly necessary. Still, many high end players offer 24 bits processing -- I am not sure it's audible, but it sure makes an excellent sales pitch. -- Ron > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic > range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs > digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the > deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, > it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be > that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. > That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded > tapes on non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your > treble down. > > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just > keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over > analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:53 AM > *To:* graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > So we have a correlation in observation! Some have blamed mastering > engineers for the rather compressed sound we get from digital formats. > When I bought my Sony W33 cd recorder, I was trembling with excitement. > I transferred one of my Toshiba Super-Cut Direct to Disc lps to CD. The > Sony was using an Emtec ceramic coated media. The cut on the lp is so > super, that they had to cut the grooves using a very wide pitch. Each > side was playable for about 15 minutes. > > When I played back the cd on my reference cd transport + DAC combo, it > was an utter disappointment. The dynamics and slam simply wasn't there! > When I switched to my Aiwa Excelia XK009 and turned dbx on, it delivered > even more dynamic and content then the source appeared to have! When I > switched to my Teac X1000R reel to reel with dbx, it was a whole new > chapter. It was like comparing a solar car to a 1957 Mercedes. > > Bala > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Ron wrote: > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > >> I guess that all that computation and sampling still isn't to > capture > >> everything thats required to reproduce music fully. > > > > > > Actually, it does. > > Actually, it doesn't, which is why the digital people keep coming up > with "better" formats and standards. > > > > That's because digital sound has, BY FAR, wider dynamic > > range (roughly, 96db vs. 60db to 70db for analog). What > > you are hearing is the recording engineer's choice. > > > Odd. I was getting 93 dB dynamic range using dbx II and a Nakamichi > 600-II -- and 100 dB dynamic range using dbx I and a Scully 280B -- IN > THE 1970s! I've found my digital system is a DOWNGRADE with regard to > dynamic range versus what I'm accustomed to with my analog gear. > > >> ! Analogue seems to baost better dynamics ... > > > > > > No, it doesn't even come close. > > Sorry, but I've been faithful to my Nakamichi decks AND my other analog > gear precisely because it DOES boast better dynamics compared to all > but > the highest-end digital, which is equal but not better than analog with > regard to dynamics. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 19 20:26:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:26:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c5d4da$afeb0020$7d8287d9@oemcomputer> I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 20 01:42:36 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:42:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <001f01c5d4da$afeb0020$7d8287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to argue this, just curious what you think a really good record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much it would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and minuses to everything, I guess. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 11:05:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051020090531.69652.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well one thing that is very subjective here is setup. With digital front end, there is only so much you can improve a particular unit, with spikes, cables and washing your cds with miracle face wash. But with vinyl, I have seen really good equipment being dragged down due to bad setup. So before you evaluate a setup, it has to be properly done. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to argue this, just curious what you think a really good record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much it would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and minuses to everything, I guess. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 20 14:46:35 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:46:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <001f01c5d4da$afeb0020$7d8287d9@oemcomputer> References: <001f01c5d4da$afeb0020$7d8287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <435791AB.4000105@rcn.com> Nelson wrote: > *I would agree that digital is getting better... To be more accurate, it's the implementation that's getting better. Digital capabilities and the CD standard have been the same since day one. > ... BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, > you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD > player for music reproduction.* Not really, Graham. For 200 American green ones you can get a CD player that will blow any $1000 out of the water. You see, sound quality of CDs depends a lot less on quality of the player than LPs or cassettes depend on the TT or cassette recorder. That's the whole idea behind digital reproduction. IOW, the analog signal is very vulnerable, it's easy to screw it up. OTOH, the digital signal is very robust. One would have to go out of one's way to damage it. Granted, this is not the whole story behind equipment quality and/or cost, but it explains my statement above. And, BTW, for the price, the digital player will also show movies. -- Ron > ** > *Gra* > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Doane Hoag > *Sent:* 19 October 2005 17:55 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if > that's even possible) :~) > > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a > dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the > analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make > up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I > remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but > the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play > back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could > still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much > difference, if you turned your treble down. > > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital > just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge > improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) > > Doane From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 20 11:49:11 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:49:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: BRAVO...BALA...WELL DONE! WE TOGETHER GOTTEN IN OUT 100% TRULY...HOW IMPERATIVE IS "TURNTABLE SET UP"...! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:05:31 -0700 (PDT) > >Well one thing that is very subjective here is setup. With digital front >end, there is only so much you can improve a particular unit, with spikes, >cables and washing your cds with miracle face wash. But with vinyl, I have >seen really good equipment being dragged down due to bad setup. So before >you evaluate a setup, it has to be properly done. > >Bala > >Doane Hoag wrote: >I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to >argue this, just curious what you think a really good >record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much >it would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been >years ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure >cartridges, Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) > >Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing >disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? > >I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes >getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a >disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load >up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play >selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and >minuses to everything, I guess. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Nelson >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you >can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player >for music reproduction. > >Gra >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Doane Hoag >Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even >possible) :~) > >I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic >range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs >digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the >deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, it >had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be that >you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. That >was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on >non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > >Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just >keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over >analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) > >Doane > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 20 15:11:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:11:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Hi Ron! I completely disagree...Vinyl today sound better that any digital CD! OK...I entirely accord that CD is easy to use, you need to move much less to changed the CD...however, the "Warm Sound"...of an a superior turntable/arm/ & cartridge to my hear today still better listeneable!!! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:46:35 -0400 > > >Nelson wrote: >>*I would agree that digital is getting better... > >To be more accurate, it's the implementation that's >getting better. Digital capabilities and the CD >standard have been the same since day one. > >>... BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record >>turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction.* > >Not really, Graham. For 200 American green ones you >can get a CD player that will blow any $1000 out of >the water. You see, sound quality of CDs depends a >lot less on quality of the player than LPs or >cassettes depend on the TT or cassette recorder. >That's the whole idea behind digital reproduction. > >IOW, the analog signal is very vulnerable, it's easy >to screw it up. OTOH, the digital signal is very robust. >One would have to go out of one's way to damage it. >Granted, this is not the whole story behind equipment >quality and/or cost, but it explains my statement above. > >And, BTW, for the price, the digital player will also >show movies. > >-- Ron > > >>** *Gra* >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Doane Hoag >> *Sent:* 19 October 2005 17:55 >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; >>graker at woods-and-waters.com >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if >> that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really >>compare things when you are using a >> dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the >> analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make >> up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I >> remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but >> the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play >> back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could >> still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much >> difference, if you turned your treble down. >> Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that >>digital >> just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge >> improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) >> Doane >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 20 17:35:28 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:35:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c5d58b$e7324910$7300a8c0@Shaun> I tend to agree with you Alex. However, right from the early days of CD I remember a reviewer saying something that tends to lend strength to Ron's argument and that was, if you only ever hear one CD that sounds right then you know it is the manner in which the recording is made and not the medium itself that is the problem with CD sound. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 20 October 2005 14:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Hi Ron! I completely disagree...Vinyl today sound better that any digital CD! OK...I entirely accord that CD is easy to use, you need to move much less to changed the CD...however, the "Warm Sound"...of an a superior turntable/arm/ & cartridge to my hear today still better listeneable!!! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:46:35 -0400 > > >Nelson wrote: >>*I would agree that digital is getting better... > >To be more accurate, it's the implementation that's >getting better. Digital capabilities and the CD >standard have been the same since day one. > >>... BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record >>turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction.* > >Not really, Graham. For 200 American green ones you >can get a CD player that will blow any $1000 out of >the water. You see, sound quality of CDs depends a >lot less on quality of the player than LPs or >cassettes depend on the TT or cassette recorder. >That's the whole idea behind digital reproduction. > >IOW, the analog signal is very vulnerable, it's easy >to screw it up. OTOH, the digital signal is very robust. >One would have to go out of one's way to damage it. >Granted, this is not the whole story behind equipment >quality and/or cost, but it explains my statement above. > >And, BTW, for the price, the digital player will also >show movies. > >-- Ron > > >>** *Gra* >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Doane Hoag >> *Sent:* 19 October 2005 17:55 >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; >>graker at woods-and-waters.com >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if >> that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really >>compare things when you are using a >> dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the >> analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make >> up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I >> remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but >> the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play >> back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could >> still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much >> difference, if you turned your treble down. >> Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that >>digital >> just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge >> improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) >> Doane >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 17:37:42 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051020153742.57322.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Or a good Cassette deck or reel to reel.. Digital is bad for health. It should stay put where it belongs, controlling washing machines and ovens and crunching numbers for the NSA. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Ron! > > I completely disagree...Vinyl today sound better > that any digital CD! OK...I > entirely accord that CD is easy to use, you need to > move much less to > changed the CD...however, the "Warm Sound"...of an a > superior turntable/arm/ > & cartridge to my hear today still better > listeneable!!! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Ron > >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:46:35 -0400 > > > > > >Nelson wrote: > >>*I would agree that digital is getting better... > > > >To be more accurate, it's the implementation that's > >getting better. Digital capabilities and the CD > >standard have been the same since day one. > > > >>... BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better > record > >>turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player > for music reproduction.* > > > >Not really, Graham. For 200 American green ones you > >can get a CD player that will blow any $1000 out of > >the water. You see, sound quality of CDs depends a > >lot less on quality of the player than LPs or > >cassettes depend on the TT or cassette recorder. > >That's the whole idea behind digital reproduction. > > > >IOW, the analog signal is very vulnerable, it's > easy > >to screw it up. OTOH, the digital signal is very > robust. > >One would have to go out of one's way to damage it. > >Granted, this is not the whole story behind > equipment > >quality and/or cost, but it explains my statement > above. > > > >And, BTW, for the price, the digital player will > also > >show movies. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >>** *Gra* > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf > Of* Doane Hoag > >> *Sent:* 19 October 2005 17:55 > >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > >>graker at woods-and-waters.com > >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >> > >> So... what happens if you use DBX with the > digital format? (if > >> that's even possible) :~) I don't > think you can really > >>compare things when you are using a > >> dynamic range expander to get this effect. > Ron was talking about the > >> analog vrs digital format, not throwing in > other enhancers to make > >> up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even > available, and I > >> remember when it was, it had a real problem > with pumping, etc., but > >> the downfall seemed to be that you had to > have DBX in order to play > >> back anything encoded with it. That was why > Dolby won out, you could > >> still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non > Dolby with not too much > >> difference, if you turned your treble down. > >> Each has its advantages and > disadvantages, but I feel that > >>digital > >> just keeps getting better, and for most > people it's a huge > >> improvement over analog. But I still love > analog gear too. :~) > >> Doane > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nakamichi at ispwest.com Thu Oct 20 19:37:21 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:37:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) :~) I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) Doane From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Thu Oct 20 20:08:01 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:08:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Alignment Message-ID: <4357DD01.10805@bresnan.net> How long does it take to auto azimuth alignment take on a Nak 660zx? I tryed to adjust mine and all it does is make a loud clicking sound and the blue light keeps blinking for minuites not seconds. Need Help Bob Gibson From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 20:42:21 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:42:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10510201142j420b3321w60678230eedb4a45@mail.gmail.com> Maksim, As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of music reproduction. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. Enjoy the music - at any price range ! George On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables > at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get > a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. > > Gra -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane > Hoag > Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) > :~) > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander > to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing > in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, > and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall > seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with > it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on > non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting > better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love > analog gear too. :~) > Doane > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From backmd at comcast.net Thu Oct 20 21:04:27 2005 From: backmd at comcast.net (backmd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:04:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: <102020051904.1053.4357EA3B000719D40000041D22058860140B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> Yes, you cannot beat a fresh orchestra recording straight from the microphone to the open reel deck. Then you have a good source which makes the most musical sense. Imaging, wow, everything is there. -------------- Original message -------------- > Maksim, > > As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including > Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII > and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm > and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The > Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be > speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables > throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot > laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that > any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to > your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording > and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it > LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R > reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of > music reproduction. > > So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to > the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but > over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out > occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose > your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. > > Enjoy the music - at any price range ! > > George > > On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > > Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or > turntables > > at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson > [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] > psychoacoustics > > > > I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can > get > > a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music > reproduction. > > > > Gra -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > Doane > > Hoag > > Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even > possible) > > :~) > > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range > expander > > to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not > throwing > > in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even > available, > > and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the > downfall > > seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded > with > > it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes > on > > non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps > getting > > better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. 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URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 20 21:15:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:15:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43568DF4.8020601@rcn.com> References: <43568DF4.8020601@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4357ECD4.9010101@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Keep in mind that the top studios use BOTH analog & digital because both methods have advantages & disadvantages. Ron wrote: > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's >> even possible) :~) I've done this! It keeps the signal away from the gritty-sounding noise floor and gives the CD a greater sense of detail and analog-like warmth. PCM Digital, such as Cds suffer frrom increased distortion and reduced detail as level drops. This causes the sterility that digital is known for exhibiting. dbx'ing a CD reduces this be keeping levels higher. If only it was the standard! > Interesting question... DBX was an analog system. So? Your ears are analog, by the way. > Advantages would be minimal (say, you increase > S/N ratio from 96db to 106db. not a big deal) > and there are still the disadvantages of > 'breathing' and 'pumping', not to mention, The 'breathing' and 'pumping' occur ONLY when levels aren't set properly, or the dbx is used with low quality tape or equipment. > increased distortion. dbx noise reduction REDUCES distortion because of its complementary compression/expansion method. > No, the way to reduce noise further in digital > recordings is to increase the number of bits. Say, > to 24 bits. However, with existing 16 bit red > book CDs, the improvement is hardly necessary. > Still, many high end players offer 24 bits > processing -- I am not sure it's audible, but it > sure makes an excellent sales pitch. It makes an excellent sales pitch. >> I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a >> dynamic range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the >> analog vrs digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up >> for the deficiency. The use of noise reduction systems such as Dolby or dbx was primarily to keep the cost of analog recording equipment down AND partly because analog recordig standards were adopted at a time before low noise electroncis and wide dynamic range/low distortion tapes existed in quantity. Thus the analog medium is limited, in the main, by obsolete standards, so noise reduction became "necessary". I've heard -- and made -- analog recorders that have 90 dB dynamic range without using noise reduction, but such recorders are quite costly, use non-standard eq curves, and typically run at 30-ips tape speeds. THAT is why I enjoy my 600-II/dbx combo -- it gives me quite similar capabilities at a mere fraction of the cost of a MacDonald-Scully M280B/HDR (highly-modified 280B), a T.A.N./Ampex 354 DynaMax Conversion (my very highly modified Ampex 354), or a Mark Levinson-modified Studer A80 30-ips 1/2-inch two-channel reel-to-reel. All three of these extreme machines were able to exceed 90 dB dynamic range without noise reduction, but you could buy a new Mercedes or Aston-Martin for the same price. >> Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital >> just keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement >> over analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) Some digital formats are improving, like SACD, but others are a step (or leap) backward, like MP3. Digital's main advantage is that it can give good sound with no effort. Analog requires a bit of diligence and atention to detail -- it's not a brainless, "just push a button and give me music" format. My assumption is that anyone who desires a Nakamichi deck desires the best sound they can afford, and is willing to twiddle about a bit to get the best sound around. Analog is still favored by a great many listeners for its subjective characteristics of musicality, detail and naturalness. PCM digital has inherent aspects with its coding which must be addressed before it will achieve the same superior subjective characteristics as analog now enjoy. The mere expedient of increasing bit depth or sample rate is inadequate. Logarithmic coding would be my recommendation, not the mediocre linear coding now used. Actually, I think that a method other than PCM has to be developed for digital to win out as the undisputed champion. SACD is a good start in the right direction, but it too has its limits. Arguments of digital versus analog are silly. It should be implicit that IF digital were so superior, then no one would be interested in analog, including -- and especially -- Nakamichi cassette decks. Some day, perhaps, digital may finally obsolete analog. The day hasn't arrived and isn't likely to in the foreseeable future until radical advances in the technology and the method are implemented by designers. Until then, my Nakamichi decks and my other analog gear are my pride and joy. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 20 21:14:31 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:14:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <518b7b10510201142j420b3321w60678230eedb4a45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree, the recording process is a huge part of it. There is certainly some difference in the sound of different CD players, but not nearly as much as the sound difference in different analog tape decks, or record players/cartridges, microphones, etc. With digital, I did notice a warmer, clearer sound from my high end Sony CDPca9ES when I A/B compared it to a regular Sony RCDw50c that I sold recently. But the big difference I have noticed in CD recordings is just that, the recording process itself, their choice of mics, setup, location, etc. Stereophile has an excellent CD "Editor's Choice" sampler and test CD that John Atkinson put together with beautifully recorded pieces if you want to hear some of the best. Another Stereophile CD that is excellent is their "STEREOPHILE TEST CD" STPH 002-2 There is an excellent discussion by Gordon Holt on track 5, "Why Hi-Fi Experts Disagree" which would fit into this discussion. On the CD there are some very interesting recordings with different DAT setup and mics done at the same setup location and orchestra, well worth listening to and thinking about what you hear. ;~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Maksim, As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of music reproduction. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. Enjoy the music - at any price range ! George On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables > at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get > a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. > > Gra -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane > Hoag > Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) > :~) > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander > to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing > in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, > and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall > seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with > it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on > non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting > better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. 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This has been a fun project -- and it is the "maiden voyage" of my new DAW. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From nakamichi at ispwest.com Thu Oct 20 21:22:47 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:22:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: <441ce1e9c470498a8097a738724a28f7.nakamichi@ispwest.com> George,I totally agree with you.What still amazes me ishow good can a low cassette tape sound on a high-end deck...Plus it's so convenient!Everyone has their own tastes,preferences,etc.Personally I like to see a discreet,with highest quality components High-End cassette deck.I don't like when companies start to cut corners in manufacturing process,ie.replacing discreet stages with cheap op-amps...I like the "take no prisoners"concept.Only the highest quality construction inside & outside,like the venerable Nak-1000 Tri-Tracer or modular Teac-C1 deck.The tubed cassette deck would be the ultimate purists choice as well!Just listen to the magnificent R2R Revox-G36...Regards,Maksim From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: 10/20/2005 11:42:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > Maksim, > > As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including > Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII > and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm > and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The > Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be > speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables > throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot > laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that > any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to > your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording > and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it > LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R > reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of > music reproduction. > > So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to > the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but > over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out > occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose > your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. > > Enjoy the music - at any price range ! > > George > > On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > > Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables > > at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get > > a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. > > > > Gra -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane > > Hoag > > Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) > > :~) > > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander > > to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing > > in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, > > and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall > > seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with > > it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on > > non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting > > better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love > > analog gear too. :~) > > Doane > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 20 21:28:25 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:28:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <102020051904.1053.4357EA3B000719D40000041D22058860140B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> References: <102020051904.1053.4357EA3B000719D40000041D22058860140B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4357EFD9.5030202@woods-and-waters.com> backmd at comcast.net wrote: > Yes, you cannot beat a fresh orchestra recording straight from the > microphone to the open reel deck. Then you have a good source which > makes the most musical sense. Imaging, wow, everything is there. It's especially gratifying to make a fresh orchestral recording straight from the microphone to a Nakamichi cassette deck. The sheer "gloat value" of making an excellent recording using "only" a cassette recorder is just too good to pass up. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From thole at wxs.nl Thu Oct 20 22:38:15 2005 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:38:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <518b7b10510201142j420b3321w60678230eedb4a45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: George, What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 because I couldn't in the 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. Regards, Pieter -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens george valkov Verzonden: donderdag 20 oktober 2005 20:42 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Maksim, As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of music reproduction. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. Enjoy the music - at any price range ! George On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables > at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get > a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. > > Gra -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane > Hoag > Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) > :~) > I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander > to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing > in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, > and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall > seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with > it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on > non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting > better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love > analog gear too. :~) > Doane > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 20 22:58:21 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:58:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c5d5b9$015152a0$9c9787d9@oemcomputer> I take George's point about good and bad source material. That's very true and there have been a lot of poor CD copies of LPs made that confuse the issue, especially in the early days of CDs when one suspects record companies were a little too hasty to get them produced and on the stores' shelves. However, I do have some very good CDs that sound good on the high end CD players. Nevertheless, and perhaps I am wrong in this, but it seems to my ear that £1,000 worth of Rega turntable and Origin Live modified Rega RB300 arm and MC cartridge will usually outperform £1,000 of Rega CD player ... and the Jupiter 2000 CD player is no slouch for the money. Of course, much also depends on the phono stage in the amp ... if I use my Quad 44 pre-amp phono stage, the CD player is actually superior! It is not if I use the phono of my Eico ST70 my old Rotel nor my old Sugden A21. (And my Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage takes it into a whole new League, but that's cheating as that's not a fair comparison with a £1k CD player!) the best thing, of course, is that one can buy excellent performing second hand turntables and arms that are a fraction of the price of a new CD player, and whip the CDs with the old black stuff. That includes turntables from around and before the first generation CD players. That's the route I've taken - 2nd hand Oracle Delphi II, Rega RB300 that I had re-wired and modified by Origin Live and I finally splashed out on a very special deal for the GS Jazz Club, all of which is played through a very old Sugden A21. The CD player sounds very good through the Sugden. But the Oracle set up ... that's something else. Even my ancient Lenco L78 (slightly modified and tweaked) sounds very good through the GS JC (I got the JC largely to match with it, for playing non standard Eq 78s) and heads in front of the CD player. Hang on, says you! In what way is the vinyl better? Well, I won't say it is definitely more dynamic than the CD player (although it is through the Graham Slee JC!) but the tonal colours are richer and more life-like to my ear. To judge I use acoustic piano recordings as I am used to hearing my Mum play a concert pitch piano. The record players - even the Lenco - win on that score nearly every time against the CD player. I also judge using female voice and acoustic guitar. The latter is good in much the same way as the piano as it reveals how well the player reproduces sustained notes. And female voices are a dead give away - they can sound perfectly natural, like they are singing in the room without amplification, or they sound like they are using a sound system. For me, CDs often sounds more like a sound system is between the performance and the listener; however, as George says, that may be more to do with the quality of the recording? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 20 October 2005 00:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to argue this, just curious what you think a really good record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much it would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and minuses to everything, I guess. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Thu Oct 20 23:14:21 2005 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:14:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: One 582, Two MR-1's and a 670ZX which I recently acquired. I also have two Tascams: One 122 II and one 122 Mk III - which is an outstanding machine in every way. My 670ZX originally came with straight sides. A note of thanks to Bob Gibson, who answered my note on this list, for swapping the straight sides for rack ears. The three head Nak decks are among the finest sounding cassette machines ever built, there's no doubt about that. The discrete heads are a large part of that performance, and that's why I bought them to begin with. But whoever designed the control placement on the front panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! First, the MR-1: The play button is directly above the record button, almost touching it. It is very easy to wipe a tape by accidentally pressing both buttons. At the very least, if that's where Nak wanted to put them, there should have been an additional safety button to prevent accidents. The bias and record level controls are not accessible without taking off the cover and you need the service manual to find them. This is supposed to be a machine designed for pro use, with balanced ins and outs, so that lack of easily accessible control is a huge mistake. What it does have, and here there is too much access, is tape height adjustments in addition to azimuth trimmers for the heads. The tape height screws should NOT be accessible without at least removing a panel in front of the heads. That adjustment should only be done by a competent tech with the proper alignment jig. I covered them on my MR1's (and the 582, and 670ZX see below) with a bit of electrical tape. I also figured out a simple safety mechanism, without any surgery to the front panel, to prevent accidentally erasing a tape on the MR-1. But I still prefer to use the Tascam to make field recordings. That's a battleship of a machine. The Nak is way too fragile. The 582: Dumb, just plain dumb: Why is the fast forward button on the left and the rewind button on the right? The tape runs left to right. No other cassette deck I know of has this goofy layout, not even other Naks. Again, those head height adjustment screws are too easy to get at, and carelessly turning one of those, thinking you are adjusting azimuth, can seriously throw the tape path out of line. The bias and level controls, as well as .4 and 10 kHz tones are a nice feature even though this deck was not targeted at the pro market. The 670ZX: After I put on the rack ears and this went into my audio rack at home, between a Marantz 7 and a McIntosh MR-71, both in custom rack mounts, I was really pissed! The idiots at Nakamichi don't have a clue about standard rack spaces - at least with the 6xx machines. The MR-1, at least, got that right. Now I'm looking at two ugly gaps, above and below the 670. The height of this machine is 1/2 inch smaller than a standard 3 RU format. And why is it the RECORD head that auto aligns? That head should be properly aligned and remain that way. It is the PLAY head which should be automatically aligned, as it is on the Dragon, to accommodate cassettes made on different machines which might not have been on spec. Same deal with the head height screws, plus a tape guide adjustment. By the way, the 670ZX is the same as the 680ZX which is a two speed machine. That 680 could have been a killer deck if Nakamichi had made the other speed 3 3/4 IPS instead of 15/16, which is totally useless for high fidelity, no matter what they may claim. Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems, NYC http://marc.stager.com/ http://naumburgconcerts.org/ From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 01:57:42 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050618164651d6c248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051020235742.68877.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have never heard anyone talk about a cut over s/n to the new IEC2 standard so I can only assume that they are all IEC1. Also did they really make dragons for --- george valkov wrote: > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. > > George > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the > mechanism. > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were > ever > > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > > > SJ > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have > inside > > > type 1 or > > > 2? > > > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless > upgraded. > > > The > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the > CR > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make > the > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, > but, > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > > cover. > > > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in > the > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in > the > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra > 2-4 dB > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 > deck > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > > dull. > > > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between > IEC1 > > > Naks > > > > > and IEC2 > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > > examples > > > > > of IEC2 > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the > information > > > as > > > > > to > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > > comment > > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I > have a > > > 600 > > > > > Mk I > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The > main > > > > > operational > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition > of > > > a > > > > > headphone > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM > distortion > > > > > during > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the > IEC2 > > > > > models. The > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a > tonality > > > > > reminiscent > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being > a > > > > > recording, > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, > well, > > > like > > > > > really, > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > > superior to > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the > other > > > > > superdecks, > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at > all > > > > > times -- > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which > cannot > > > be > > > > > tweaked > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > > USA > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for > pro > > > audio > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 21 02:57:24 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:57:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <441ce1e9c470498a8097a738724a28f7.nakamichi@ispwest.com> References: <441ce1e9c470498a8097a738724a28f7.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <43583CF4.6090507@rcn.com> No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I have) the digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow raises its head... So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do you think that discreet stages are preferable to "cheap op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love so much are filled to the brim with these cheap op-amps? And, third, are you aware that many high end tube audio products contain a simplistic tube version of op-amps? I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and certainly, no offense is intended. I am just wondering aloud where all these holy cows come from... -- Ron nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > George,I totally agree with you.What still amazes me ishow good can > a low cassette tape sound on a high-end deck...Plus it's so > convenient!Everyone has their own tastes,preferences,etc.Personally > I like to see a discreet,with highest quality components High-End > cassette deck.I don't like when companies start to cut corners > in manufacturing process,ie.replacing discreet stages with cheap > op-amps...I like the "take no prisoners"concept.Only the highest > quality construction inside & outside,like the venerable Nak-1000 > Tri-Tracer or modular Teac-C1 deck.The tubed cassette deck would > be the ultimate purists choice as well!Just listen to the > magnificent R2R Revox-G36...Regards,Maksim > From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] > Sent: 10/20/2005 11:42:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >>Maksim, >> >>As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including >>Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII >>and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm >>and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The >>Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be >>speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables >>throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot >>laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that >>any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to >>your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording >>and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it >>LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R >>reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of >>music reproduction. >> >>So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to >>the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but >>over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out >>occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose >>your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. >> >>Enjoy the music - at any price range ! >> >>George >> >>On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: >> >>>Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables >>>at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >>>Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>> >>>I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get >>>a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. >>> >>>Gra -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane >>>Hoag >>> Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>> >>> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) >>>:~) >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander >>>to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing >>>in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, >>>and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall >>>seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with >>>it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on >>>non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting >>>better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love >>>analog gear too. :~) >>>Doane From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 20 23:33:28 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:33:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Hi Kermit! I just remember, that the McIntosh C-32 preamp > C-34 if I'm right on (Correct me please Bala!), has a "DBX circuit" built in...so was possibility to use it with ALL kind of sources...NOT only Records or tapes. Very badly that never I have the opportunity to acquire one of those units...extremely expensive + taxes added here in Israel during the 80ties era! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:15:32 -0500 > >Hi Ron, > >Keep in mind that the top studios use BOTH analog & digital because both >methods have advantages & disadvantages. > >Ron wrote: >>Doane Hoag wrote: >> >>>So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's >>>even possible) :~) > >I've done this! It keeps the signal away from the gritty-sounding noise >floor and gives the CD a greater sense of detail and analog-like warmth. >PCM Digital, such as Cds suffer frrom increased distortion and reduced >detail as level drops. This causes the sterility that digital is known for >exhibiting. dbx'ing a CD reduces this be keeping levels higher. If only it >was the standard! > >>Interesting question... DBX was an analog system. > >So? Your ears are analog, by the way. > >>Advantages would be minimal (say, you increase >>S/N ratio from 96db to 106db. not a big deal) >>and there are still the disadvantages of >>'breathing' and 'pumping', not to mention, > >The 'breathing' and 'pumping' occur ONLY when levels aren't set properly, >or the dbx is used with low quality tape or equipment. > >>increased distortion. > >dbx noise reduction REDUCES distortion because of its complementary >compression/expansion method. > >>No, the way to reduce noise further in digital >>recordings is to increase the number of bits. Say, >>to 24 bits. However, with existing 16 bit red >>book CDs, the improvement is hardly necessary. >>Still, many high end players offer 24 bits >>processing -- I am not sure it's audible, but it >>sure makes an excellent sales pitch. > >It makes an excellent sales pitch. > > >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic >>>range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs >>>digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the >>>deficiency. > >The use of noise reduction systems such as Dolby or dbx was primarily to >keep the cost of analog recording equipment down AND partly because analog >recordig standards were adopted at a time before low noise electroncis and >wide dynamic range/low distortion tapes existed in quantity. Thus the >analog medium is limited, in the main, by obsolete standards, so noise >reduction became "necessary". I've heard -- and made -- analog recorders >that have 90 dB dynamic range without using noise reduction, but such >recorders are quite costly, use non-standard eq curves, and typically run >at 30-ips tape speeds. > >THAT is why I enjoy my 600-II/dbx combo -- it gives me quite similar >capabilities at a mere fraction of the cost of a MacDonald-Scully M280B/HDR >(highly-modified 280B), a T.A.N./Ampex 354 DynaMax Conversion (my very >highly modified Ampex 354), or a Mark Levinson-modified Studer A80 30-ips >1/2-inch two-channel reel-to-reel. All three of these extreme machines were >able to exceed 90 dB dynamic range without noise reduction, but you could >buy a new Mercedes or Aston-Martin for the same price. > >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just >>>keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over >>>analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) > >Some digital formats are improving, like SACD, but others are a step (or >leap) backward, like MP3. Digital's main advantage is that it can give good >sound with no effort. Analog requires a bit of diligence and atention to >detail -- it's not a brainless, "just push a button and give me music" >format. > >My assumption is that anyone who desires a Nakamichi deck desires the best >sound they can afford, and is willing to twiddle about a bit to get the >best sound around. > >Analog is still favored by a great many listeners for its subjective >characteristics of musicality, detail and naturalness. > >PCM digital has inherent aspects with its coding which must be addressed >before it will achieve the same superior subjective characteristics as >analog now enjoy. The mere expedient of increasing bit depth or sample rate >is inadequate. Logarithmic coding would be my recommendation, not the >mediocre linear coding now used. Actually, I think that a method other than >PCM has to be developed for digital to win out as the undisputed champion. >SACD is a good start in the right direction, but it too has its limits. > >Arguments of digital versus analog are silly. It should be implicit that IF >digital were so superior, then no one would be interested in analog, >including -- and especially -- Nakamichi cassette decks. Some day, perhaps, >digital may finally obsolete analog. The day hasn't arrived and isn't >likely to in the foreseeable future until radical advances in the >technology and the method are implemented by designers. > >Until then, my Nakamichi decks and my other analog gear are my pride and >joy. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 21 00:33:28 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:33:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa Progress. In-Reply-To: <4357EED4.5090106@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit: No problem, I appreciate what you are doing and look forward to getting my CD! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:24 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa Progress. Hello all, I wanted to send a quick update on progress. I received the blank CDs today, unexpectedly delayed because of backorders. I'll be spending the weekend doing test CDs with the new batch to determine the optimum burn speed. Monday and Tuesday are days that I have scheduled committments that take my entire day, so I'll begin making the CDs Wednesday, and cassettes the next weekend. So, the Nakathon IIIa will be shipping soon. If anyone doesn't want to continue to wait, let me know in the next few days because I'll be sending refunds out November 4 and 5th. Thnaks for everyone's patience! This has been a fun project -- and it is the "maiden voyage" of my new DAW. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 00:50:39 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: References: <518b7b10510201142j420b3321w60678230eedb4a45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10510201550n7978dc8fg406b5aa7d859f0d3@mail.gmail.com> Pieter, There is no easy answer to such a question. It's like asking what do you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll try anyway and I'll try to keep it short. I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, ease of maintenance, parts availability and support from the company. This may not have been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but trust me, today it is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone auto-calibration function, which is unique and produces excellent results on any tape (of course, I'm not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - proper tapes). Mine showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on TDK SA and 20-24kHz on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do not have discrete rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same casing, so off-tape monitoring of recordings suffers. I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 and played back on the Dragon. This is now entering an area of personal taste and preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just prefer the clean, crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced by "European" decks like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said that, listening to a 1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to qualify that - the 1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, which is becoming more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like the Nak sound as well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to actually getting one of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I hope it's in good shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to him. George On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > George, > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 because I couldn't in the > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > Regards, > > Pieter > From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 21 01:16:57 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:16:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <000e01c5d5b9$015152a0$9c9787d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Gra' So, again, where do you buy disks and is anyone pressing new ones today? It seems like there would be a really limited choice of what you can get, but you personally, probably already have a huge collection, right? I did, briefly surfing, find what looks like one good source for used classical LP disks on line http://www.classical-lps.co.uk/list.htm, but they are used, and they are expensive. They guarantee and they state, "ALL the LPs should play Near Mint" ...of course, you have no idea of what type of cartridge was used, not to mention how many times played, or what part of the vinyl walls were worn or shaved off, noise, etc. There are a lot of listings on Ebay, from cheap to expensive, but hard to find things you might want, and looks like a hit and miss quality situation, unless you find "sealed" ones. I hope someone is enjoying my pristine vinyl collection I gave away years ago... it all ended up on Nakamichi cassettes, and I'm now moving those over to digital CD for many more years of use, probably longer then I will be around... maybe I'll donate them to some library some day, or to some future audiophile collectors of "old early 2000 vintage CD recordings of older 1980's Nakamichi (most of them) cassette recordings of older late 1970-1980's vinyl recordings," ...some of those, of even older, restored/remasted 78's recordings like the RCA Red Seal label... amazing stuff! ;~. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:58 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I take George's point about good and bad source material. That's very true and there have been a lot of poor CD copies of LPs made that confuse the issue, especially in the early days of CDs when one suspects record companies were a little too hasty to get them produced and on the stores' shelves. However, I do have some very good CDs that sound good on the high end CD players. Nevertheless, and perhaps I am wrong in this, but it seems to my ear that £1,000 worth of Rega turntable and Origin Live modified Rega RB300 arm and MC cartridge will usually outperform £1,000 of Rega CD player ... and the Jupiter 2000 CD player is no slouch for the money. Of course, much also depends on the phono stage in the amp ... if I use my Quad 44 pre-amp phono stage, the CD player is actually superior! It is not if I use the phono of my Eico ST70 my old Rotel nor my old Sugden A21. (And my Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage takes it into a whole new League, but that's cheating as that's not a fair comparison with a £1k CD player!) the best thing, of course, is that one can buy excellent performing second hand turntables and arms that are a fraction of the price of a new CD player, and whip the CDs with the old black stuff. That includes turntables from around and before the first generation CD players. That's the route I've taken - 2nd hand Oracle Delphi II, Rega RB300 that I had re-wired and modified by Origin Live and I finally splashed out on a very special deal for the GS Jazz Club, all of which is played through a very old Sugden A21. The CD player sounds very good through the Sugden. But the Oracle set up ... that's something else. Even my ancient Lenco L78 (slightly modified and tweaked) sounds very good through the GS JC (I got the JC largely to match with it, for playing non standard Eq 78s) and heads in front of the CD player. Hang on, says you! In what way is the vinyl better? Well, I won't say it is definitely more dynamic than the CD player (although it is through the Graham Slee JC!) but the tonal colours are richer and more life-like to my ear. To judge I use acoustic piano recordings as I am used to hearing my Mum play a concert pitch piano. The record players - even the Lenco - win on that score nearly every time against the CD player. I also judge using female voice and acoustic guitar. The latter is good in much the same way as the piano as it reveals how well the player reproduces sustained notes. And female voices are a dead give away - they can sound perfectly natural, like they are singing in the room without amplification, or they sound like they are using a sound system. For me, CDs often sounds more like a sound system is between the performance and the listener; however, as George says, that may be more to do with the quality of the recording? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 20 October 2005 00:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to argue this, just curious what you think a really good record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much it would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and minuses to everything, I guess. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra From rob at rhoag.com Fri Oct 21 02:59:22 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:59:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design Message-ID: Hi, Mark: Interesting, the fwd/reverse on my LX-5 and ZX-7 are correct. The only, couple of gripes I have are that the power button and eject button on the Lx-5 and ZX-7 are right next to each other and it's easy to occasionally hit the wrong one. On the LX-5 my big gripe is that the heads are difficult to get at to clean and demagnetize, my old 581 had the best access for this. Ah, one other thing, it would have really been nice if they had put a small light panel behind the cassette housing so you could easily see the tape remaining/used. The brightly colored small metallic color green sticker just doesn't do it and really looks sort of cheap. Again, the 581 compartment was much more accessible and better illuminated. I can't remember any specific problems on my BX-2, except that it wasn't very reliable.. I had it into the shop several times over just a few years ownership with transport problems. Doane From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 21 03:03:14 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:03:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> Message-ID: <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc... Marc Stager wrote: > First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: > ... > But whoever designed the control placement on the front > panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the single best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! I wonder if they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For pro use, the Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to excellent ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have some of the best-engineered sound around. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 04:22:05 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43583CF4.6090507@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Great and important questions. Firstly, you have to look at the construction of a typical op-amp. With more then 40 transistors, and associated components fabricated on a single slice of silicon, you have plenty of room for cross-conductance, capacitance, noise and a whole host of other issues. In my line of work, op-amps are my best friends. I can wire up a error controller in 10 minutes with a simple 4558D op amp (yes the same that is used in MANY of our beloved Naks). But thats where, I feel, they belong. In control and computational amplication. Why would they name them Operational Amplifiers then? :) To you second question: Yes I am aware even the mighty 1000ZXL uses an op-amp stage. But remember that to replace an op amp stage would take many descrete components. To have a deck purely built out of that, would have the Dragon ending up bigger then then a microwave oven and the ZXL would be the size of a small refrigerator! However, I take this opportunity to point out that our beloved Kermit has sucessfully engineered and tested tube equivalents for critical stages like the line play-back amp. I think the above answers question 3. There is no way a discrete tube stage with good components would loose to an op-amp. In fact, a properly engineered tube stage exhibits much faster rise time and slew rate then its semiconductor counterpartm which is why its still being used in industrial level. Regards Bala Ron wrote: No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I have) the digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow raises its head... So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do you think that discreet stages are preferable to "cheap op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love so much are filled to the brim with these cheap op-amps? And, third, are you aware that many high end tube audio products contain a simplistic tube version of op-amps? I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and certainly, no offense is intended. I am just wondering aloud where all these holy cows come from... -- Ron nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > George,I totally agree with you.What still amazes me ishow good can > a low cassette tape sound on a high-end deck...Plus it's so > convenient!Everyone has their own tastes,preferences,etc.Personally > I like to see a discreet,with highest quality components High-End > cassette deck.I don't like when companies start to cut corners > in manufacturing process,ie.replacing discreet stages with cheap > op-amps...I like the "take no prisoners"concept.Only the highest > quality construction inside & outside,like the venerable Nak-1000 > Tri-Tracer or modular Teac-C1 deck.The tubed cassette deck would > be the ultimate purists choice as well!Just listen to the > magnificent R2R Revox-G36...Regards,Maksim > From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] > Sent: 10/20/2005 11:42:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >>Maksim, >> >>As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including >>Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII >>and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm >>and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The >>Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be >>speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables >>throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot >>laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that >>any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to >>your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording >>and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it >>LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R >>reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of >>music reproduction. >> >>So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to >>the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but >>over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out >>occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose >>your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. >> >>Enjoy the music - at any price range ! >> >>George >> >>On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: >> >>>Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or turntables >>>at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >>>Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>> >>>I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get >>>a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. >>> >>>Gra -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane >>>Hoag >>> Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>> >>> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even possible) >>>:~) >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic range expander >>>to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not throwing >>>in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even available, >>>and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the downfall >>>seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded with >>>it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded tapes on >>>non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps getting >>>better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still love >>>analog gear too. :~) >>>Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From backmd at comcast.net Fri Oct 21 05:17:44 2005 From: backmd at comcast.net (backmd at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:17:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: <102120050317.14319.43585DD800052048000037EF22007343640B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> Furthermore the Adcom GFP565 is loaded with op amps and was rated stereophile class B. The actual phono stage if rated individually was class A if you read between the lines. However, there were no capacitors in the signal path and what few capacitors there were were all premium polypropylene caps. -------------- Original message -------------- > > No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I have) the > digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow raises > its head... > > So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do you > think that discreet stages are preferable to "cheap > op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further from > the truth. > > Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love so > much are filled to the brim with these cheap op-amps? > > And, third, are you aware that many high end tube audio > products contain a simplistic tube version of op-amps? > > I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and certainly, > no offense is intended. I am just wondering aloud where > all these holy cows come from... > > -- Ron > > > > nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > > George,I totally agree with you.What still amazes me ishow good can > > a low cassette tape sound on a high-end deck...Plus it's so > > convenient!Everyone has their own tastes,preferences,etc.Personally > > I like to see a discreet,with highest quality components High-End > > cassette deck.I don't like when companies start to cut corners > > in manufacturing process,ie.replacing discreet stages with cheap > > op-amps...I like the "take no prisoners"concept.Only the highest > > quality construction inside & outside,like the venerable Nak-1000 > > Tri-Tracer or modular Teac-C1 deck.The tubed cassette deck would > > be the ultimate purists choice as well!Just listen to the > > magnificent R2R Revox-G36...Regards,Maksim > > > > > From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] > > Sent: 10/20/2005 11:42:21 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > > >>Maksim, > >> > >>As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including > >>Dragon, 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox 710 MkII > >>and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm > >>and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The > >>Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be > >>speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables > >>throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I cannot > >>laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate that > >>any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to > >>your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording > >>and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - be it > >>LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R > >>reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 sources of > >>music reproduction. > >> > >>So, as far as I am concerned, there is no black and white solution to > >>the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but > >>over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out > >>occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose > >>your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. > >> > >>Enjoy the music - at any price range ! > >> > >>George > >> > >>On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > >> > >>>Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD players or > turntables > >>>at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson > [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > >>>Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] > psychoacoustics > >>> > >>>I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you > can get > >>>a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music > reproduction. > >>> > >>>Gra -----Original Message----- > >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Doane > >>>Hoag > >>> Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com > >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >>> > >>> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's even > possible) > >>>:~) > >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic > range expander > >>>to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital format, not > throwing > >>>in other enhancers to make up for the deficiency. DBX is no longer even > available, > >>>and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, etc., but the > downfall > >>>seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back anything encoded > with > >>>it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby recorded > tapes on > >>>non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your treble down. > >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just keeps > getting > >>>better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. But I still > love > >>>analog gear too. :~) > >>>Doane > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 10:41:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:41:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Hi George! You wrote: >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to him.< I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really i was very lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two heads Tandberg TD-310, at Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also agreed with you..that European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' better that Nippon's ones! Be well George! ALEX! >From: george valkov >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > >Pieter, > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's like asking what do >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll try anyway and >I'll try to keep it short. > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, ease of maintenance, >parts availability and support from the company. This may not have >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but trust me, today it >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone auto-calibration function, which >is unique and produces excellent results on any tape (of course, I'm >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - proper tapes). Mine >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on TDK SA and 20-24kHz >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do not have discrete >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same casing, so off-tape >monitoring of recordings suffers. > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 and played back on >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of personal taste and >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just prefer the clean, >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced by "European" decks >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said that, listening to a >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to qualify that - the >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, which is becoming >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like the Nak sound as >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to actually getting one >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I hope it's in good >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to >him. > >George > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > George, > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 because I couldn't in the > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > Regards, > > > > Pieter > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 10:52:54 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:52:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design Message-ID: Hi Kermit & Marc! I complaint...when I received my gifted "Dragons"...about the "Stupid" design human ergonometric...on the right side...YOU NEVER can be 100% sure if it's push IN or OUT..as Dolby, type of Dolby, Subsonic, MPX...as a example...at least like my German AEG dishwasher machine some "Green- Red" line on the very small button so YOU can be 100% sure that is engaged or NOT!!!, Sorry...an a superbly sounding deck...Human designing "ZERO"!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:03:14 -0500 > >Hi Marc... > >Marc Stager wrote: >>First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: >>... >>But whoever designed the control placement on the front >>panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! > >I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the single >best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! I wonder if >they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For pro use, the Tascam >and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to excellent ergonomics, but >Nakamichi still have some of the best-engineered sound around. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 11:29:45 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051021092945.83587.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I used to have the C33 before and it used the circuit-only that they called it a Expandor/Compandor system. It was very beautiful and sounded very nice. Was based on a couple of Burr Brown op-amps. Regards, Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Kermit! I just remember, that the McIntosh C-32 preamp > C-34 if I'm right on (Correct me please Bala!), has a "DBX circuit" built in...so was possibility to use it with ALL kind of sources...NOT only Records or tapes. Very badly that never I have the opportunity to acquire one of those units...extremely expensive + taxes added here in Israel during the 80ties era! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:15:32 -0500 > >Hi Ron, > >Keep in mind that the top studios use BOTH analog & digital because both >methods have advantages & disadvantages. > >Ron wrote: >>Doane Hoag wrote: >> >>>So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if that's >>>even possible) :~) > >I've done this! It keeps the signal away from the gritty-sounding noise >floor and gives the CD a greater sense of detail and analog-like warmth. >PCM Digital, such as Cds suffer frrom increased distortion and reduced >detail as level drops. This causes the sterility that digital is known for >exhibiting. dbx'ing a CD reduces this be keeping levels higher. If only it >was the standard! > >>Interesting question... DBX was an analog system. > >So? Your ears are analog, by the way. > >>Advantages would be minimal (say, you increase >>S/N ratio from 96db to 106db. not a big deal) >>and there are still the disadvantages of >>'breathing' and 'pumping', not to mention, > >The 'breathing' and 'pumping' occur ONLY when levels aren't set properly, >or the dbx is used with low quality tape or equipment. > >>increased distortion. > >dbx noise reduction REDUCES distortion because of its complementary >compression/expansion method. > >>No, the way to reduce noise further in digital >>recordings is to increase the number of bits. Say, >>to 24 bits. However, with existing 16 bit red >>book CDs, the improvement is hardly necessary. >>Still, many high end players offer 24 bits >>processing -- I am not sure it's audible, but it >>sure makes an excellent sales pitch. > >It makes an excellent sales pitch. > > >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a dynamic >>>range expander to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs >>>digital format, not throwing in other enhancers to make up for the >>>deficiency. > >The use of noise reduction systems such as Dolby or dbx was primarily to >keep the cost of analog recording equipment down AND partly because analog >recordig standards were adopted at a time before low noise electroncis and >wide dynamic range/low distortion tapes existed in quantity. Thus the >analog medium is limited, in the main, by obsolete standards, so noise >reduction became "necessary". I've heard -- and made -- analog recorders >that have 90 dB dynamic range without using noise reduction, but such >recorders are quite costly, use non-standard eq curves, and typically run >at 30-ips tape speeds. > >THAT is why I enjoy my 600-II/dbx combo -- it gives me quite similar >capabilities at a mere fraction of the cost of a MacDonald-Scully M280B/HDR >(highly-modified 280B), a T.A.N./Ampex 354 DynaMax Conversion (my very >highly modified Ampex 354), or a Mark Levinson-modified Studer A80 30-ips >1/2-inch two-channel reel-to-reel. All three of these extreme machines were >able to exceed 90 dB dynamic range without noise reduction, but you could >buy a new Mercedes or Aston-Martin for the same price. > >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that digital just >>>keeps getting better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over >>>analog. But I still love analog gear too. :~) > >Some digital formats are improving, like SACD, but others are a step (or >leap) backward, like MP3. Digital's main advantage is that it can give good >sound with no effort. Analog requires a bit of diligence and atention to >detail -- it's not a brainless, "just push a button and give me music" >format. > >My assumption is that anyone who desires a Nakamichi deck desires the best >sound they can afford, and is willing to twiddle about a bit to get the >best sound around. > >Analog is still favored by a great many listeners for its subjective >characteristics of musicality, detail and naturalness. > >PCM digital has inherent aspects with its coding which must be addressed >before it will achieve the same superior subjective characteristics as >analog now enjoy. The mere expedient of increasing bit depth or sample rate >is inadequate. Logarithmic coding would be my recommendation, not the >mediocre linear coding now used. Actually, I think that a method other than >PCM has to be developed for digital to win out as the undisputed champion. >SACD is a good start in the right direction, but it too has its limits. > >Arguments of digital versus analog are silly. It should be implicit that IF >digital were so superior, then no one would be interested in analog, >including -- and especially -- Nakamichi cassette decks. Some day, perhaps, >digital may finally obsolete analog. The day hasn't arrived and isn't >likely to in the foreseeable future until radical advances in the >technology and the method are implemented by designers. > >Until then, my Nakamichi decks and my other analog gear are my pride and >joy. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 11:37:18 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <518b7b10510201550n7978dc8fg406b5aa7d859f0d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051021093718.85405.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, I have to concur with George who has a good taste from the gear he owns. I have yet to make the 1000ZXL work, but from its smaller cousin the 700ZXL, I am already getting goosebumps! The 700ZXL is having a flaky computer and some crazed logic. It plays. And the meters and lights work. But the sound..wow..it simple blew the Dragon, my CR7 (which went in for service/cal not more than 2 years and has seen little use since), 680ZX and so many other decks. Only my mighty Teac X1000R and Akai GX747 edge it out.. No one believed it was cassette. Bala george valkov wrote: Pieter, There is no easy answer to such a question. It's like asking what do you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll try anyway and I'll try to keep it short. I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, ease of maintenance, parts availability and support from the company. This may not have been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but trust me, today it is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone auto-calibration function, which is unique and produces excellent results on any tape (of course, I'm not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - proper tapes). Mine showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on TDK SA and 20-24kHz on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do not have discrete rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same casing, so off-tape monitoring of recordings suffers. I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 and played back on the Dragon. This is now entering an area of personal taste and preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just prefer the clean, crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced by "European" decks like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said that, listening to a 1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to qualify that - the 1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, which is becoming more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like the Nak sound as well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to actually getting one of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I hope it's in good shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to him. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 21 13:00:44 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:00:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005d01c5d62e$af4065c0$f38387d9@oemcomputer> Hi Duane Yes, new pressing are still being made and sold by specialists. They are usually "audiophile" pressings, which means 80g vinyl and sometimes careful remastering. They are not cheap - usually in excess of £20 each, but then, that's not so more expensive than a CD in the UK, which are often £15 ful price. I'm sure you'll find them with a search on the net or amongst the small ads in the hi fi magazines but I generally do not buy them ... I get most of my vinyl these days from boot/attic sales and charity shops, and only occasionally off eBay. The boot/attic sales and charity shops are easily the best way to buy vinyl - you can see the records are not badly worn or scratched and they cost very little anyway. I also occasionally find good vinyl records at the rubbish dump and pick them up for free! It is, however, a good idea to invest in a record cleaner ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 21 October 2005 00:17 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Gra' > > So, again, where do you buy disks and is anyone pressing new ones > today? It > seems like there would be a really limited choice of what you can get, but > you personally, probably already have a huge collection, right? > > I did, briefly surfing, find what looks like one good source for used > classical LP disks on line > http://www.classical-lps.co.uk/list.htm, but they > are used, and they are expensive. They guarantee and they state, "ALL the > LPs should play Near Mint" ...of course, you have no idea of what type of > cartridge was used, not to mention how many times played, or what part of > the vinyl walls were worn or shaved off, noise, etc. There are a lot of > listings on Ebay, from cheap to expensive, but hard to find > things you might > want, and looks like a hit and miss quality situation, unless you find > "sealed" ones. > > I hope someone is enjoying my pristine vinyl collection I gave away years > ago... it all ended up on Nakamichi cassettes, and I'm now moving > those over > to digital CD for many more years of use, probably longer then I will be > around... maybe I'll donate them to some library some day, or to > some future > audiophile collectors of "old early 2000 vintage CD recordings of older > 1980's Nakamichi (most of them) cassette recordings of older late > 1970-1980's vinyl recordings," ...some of those, of even older, > restored/remasted 78's recordings like the RCA Red Seal label... amazing > stuff! ;~. > > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Nelson > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:58 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > I take George's point about good and bad source material. That's > very true > and there have been a lot of poor CD copies of LPs made that confuse the > issue, especially in the early days of CDs when one suspects record > companies were a little too hasty to get them produced and on the stores' > shelves. However, I do have some very good CDs that sound good > on the high > end CD players. Nevertheless, and perhaps I am wrong in this, > but it seems > to my ear that £1,000 worth of Rega turntable and Origin Live > modified Rega > RB300 arm and MC cartridge will usually outperform £1,000 of Rega > CD player > ... and the Jupiter 2000 CD player is no slouch for the money. Of course, > much also depends on the phono stage in the amp ... if I use my Quad 44 > pre-amp phono stage, the CD player is actually superior! It is > not if I use > the phono of my Eico ST70 my old Rotel nor my old Sugden A21. (And my > Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage takes it into a whole new League, but > that's cheating as that's not a fair comparison with a £1k CD > player!) the > best thing, of course, is that one can buy excellent performing > second hand > turntables and arms that are a fraction of the price of a new CD > player, and > whip the CDs with the old black stuff. That includes turntables > from around > and before the first generation CD players. That's the route I've taken - > 2nd hand Oracle Delphi II, Rega RB300 that I had re-wired and modified by > Origin Live and I finally splashed out on a very special deal for the GS > Jazz Club, all of which is played through a very old Sugden A21. The CD > player sounds very good through the Sugden. But the Oracle set up ... > that's something else. Even my ancient Lenco L78 (slightly modified and > tweaked) sounds very good through the GS JC (I got the JC largely to match > with it, for playing non standard Eq 78s) and heads in front of the CD > player. > > Hang on, says you! In what way is the vinyl better? Well, I > won't say it > is definitely more dynamic than the CD player (although it is through the > Graham Slee JC!) but the tonal colours are richer and more life-like to my > ear. To judge I use acoustic piano recordings as I am used to hearing my > Mum play a concert pitch piano. The record players - even the Lenco - win > on that score nearly every time against the CD player. I also judge using > female voice and acoustic guitar. The latter is good in much the same way > as the piano as it reveals how well the player reproduces sustained notes. > And female voices are a dead give away - they can sound perfectly natural, > like they are singing in the room without amplification, or they > sound like > they are using a sound system. For me, CDs often sounds more like a sound > system is between the performance and the listener; however, as George > says, that may be more to do with the quality of the recording? > > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Doane Hoag > Sent: 20 October 2005 00:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to > argue this, just curious what you think a really good > record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and > how much it > would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years > ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, > Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) > > Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing > disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? > > I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes > getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I > just slip a > disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also > nice to load > up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play > selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and > minuses to everything, I guess. > > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Nelson > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you > can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD > player for > music reproduction. > > Gra > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 21 13:32:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:32:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006901c5d633$2e9f5fc0$f38387d9@oemcomputer> Hi Bala What about the Tripath TA 2024 chipset? Have you tried it yet? I know a few top audio design engineers in the Leak Yahoo club who are raving about the quality of sound you can get from the el cheapo Sonic Impact utilisation of it in their amps at a cost of around $30 each. (Yes, Thirty Dollars.) They are dyed in the wool tube men who now say they are Class T converts. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 21 October 2005 03:22 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Hi Ron, Great and important questions. Firstly, you have to look at the construction of a typical op-amp. With more then 40 transistors, and associated components fabricated on a single slice of silicon, you have plenty of room for cross-conductance, capacitance, noise and a whole host of other issues. In my line of work, op-amps are my best friends. I can wire up a error controller in 10 minutes with a simple 4558D op amp (yes the same that is used in MANY of our beloved Naks). But thats where, I feel, they belong. In control and computational amplication. Why would they name them Operational Amplifiers then? :) To you second question: Yes I am aware even the mighty 1000ZXL uses an op-amp stage. But remember that to replace an op amp stage would take many descrete components. To have a deck purely built out of that, would have the Dragon ending up bigger then then a microwave oven and the ZXL would be the size of a small refrigerator! However, I take this opportunity to point out that our beloved Kermit has sucessfully engineered and tested tube equivalents for critical stages like the line play-back amp. I think the above answers question 3. There is no way a discrete tube stage with good components would loose to an op-amp. In fact, a properly engineered tube stage exhibits much faster rise time and slew rate then its semiconductor counterpartm which is why its still being used in industrial level. Regards Bala Ron wrote: No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I have) the digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow raises its head... So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do you think that discreet stages are preferable to "cheap op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love so much are filled to the brim with these cheap op-amps? And, third, are you aware that many high end tube audio products contain a simplistic tube version of op-amps? I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and certainly, no offense is intended. I am just wondering aloud where all these holy cows come from... -- Ron click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Fri Oct 21 14:09:37 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:09:37 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics References: Message-ID: <00c401c5d638$4ec28250$0801a8c0@TG> Yes Folks, >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned Nakamichi made great machines but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now good to hear favorable ideas. (Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - Dragon (off-specs)) Either thanks to its top equalization (not needing HXPro etc), or topology of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded tapes somewhow not true with the source (say CD) when i play both and compare source/tape. Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner of H1 (sister of B215). One way or another; this is the personal taste! More dynamics than fidelity, its Nakamichi! My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by Stephan Sank, I'd love to have this response with mines ; "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my measurements have yielded "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA & MA tapes. But the relly impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB @ 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." Good Naking! Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > Hi George! > > You wrote: > >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to > him.< > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really i was very > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two heads Tandberg TD-310, at > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also agreed with you..that > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' better that Nippon's > ones! > > Be well George! > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: george valkov >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >> >>Pieter, >> >>There is no easy answer to such a question. It's like asking what do >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll try anyway and >>I'll try to keep it short. >> >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, ease of maintenance, >>parts availability and support from the company. This may not have >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but trust me, today it >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone auto-calibration function, which >>is unique and produces excellent results on any tape (of course, I'm >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - proper tapes). Mine >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on TDK SA and 20-24kHz >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do not have discrete >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same casing, so off-tape >>monitoring of recordings suffers. >> >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 and played back on >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of personal taste and >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just prefer the clean, >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced by "European" decks >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said that, listening to a >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to qualify that - the >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, which is becoming >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like the Nak sound as >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. >> >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to actually getting one >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I hope it's in good >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to >>him. >> >>George >> >>On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: >> > George, >> > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 because I couldn't in >> > the >> > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Pieter >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21.10.2005 > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 14:31:50 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051021123151.16846.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to European ears.. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi George! > > You wrote: > > >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint > Dragon left to > him.< > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really > i was very > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also > agreed with you..that > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' > better that Nippon's ones! > > Be well George! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: george valkov > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > > > >Pieter, > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > like asking what do > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > try anyway and > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > ease of maintenance, > >parts availability and support from the company. > This may not have > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > trust me, today it > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > auto-calibration function, which > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > tape (of course, I'm > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > proper tapes). Mine > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > not have discrete > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > casing, so off-tape > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > and played back on > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > personal taste and > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > prefer the clean, > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > by "European" decks > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > that, listening to a > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > qualify that - the > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > which is becoming > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > the Nak sound as > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > actually getting one > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > hope it's in good > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > mint Dragon left to > >him. > > > >George > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > George, > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > because I couldn't in the > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From srudick at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:38:22 2005 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:38:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Alignment In-Reply-To: <4357DD01.10805@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Your deck probably needs a serious alignment and calibration - which you should NOT attempt yourself! First see if cleaning the heads helps, if not... SR Audiotech/Nak aurthorized service center How long does it take to auto azimuth alignment
take on a Nak 660zx?
I tryed to adjust mine and all it does is make a loud clicking sound
and the blue light keeps blinking for minuites not seconds. Need Help Bob Gibson From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 15:45:02 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <00c401c5d638$4ec28250$0801a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20051021134502.90617.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tayfur, I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? Bala --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Yes Folks, > > >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned > Nakamichi made great machines > but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now good > to hear favorable ideas. > (Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 > decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - > Dragon (off-specs)) > > Either thanks to its top equalization (not needing > HXPro etc), or topology > of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded tapes > somewhow not true with > the source (say CD) when i play both and compare > source/tape. > > Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner of > H1 (sister of B215). > > One way or another; this is the personal taste! More > dynamics than fidelity, > its Nakamichi! > > My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by Stephan > Sank, I'd love to have > this response with mines ; > "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my > measurements have yielded > "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA & > MA tapes. But the relly > impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB @ > 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. > That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." > > Good Naking! > Tayfur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cozac" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > Hi George! > > > > You wrote: > > > >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint > Dragon left to > > him.< > > > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! > Really i was very > > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also > agreed with you..that > > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' > better that Nippon's > > ones! > > > > Be well George! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: george valkov > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > >> > >>Pieter, > >> > >>There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > like asking what do > >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? > I'll try anyway and > >>I'll try to keep it short. > >> > >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > ease of maintenance, > >>parts availability and support from the company. > This may not have > >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > trust me, today it > >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > auto-calibration function, which > >>is unique and produces excellent results on any > tape (of course, I'm > >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > proper tapes). Mine > >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > not have discrete > >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > casing, so off-tape > >>monitoring of recordings suffers. > >> > >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > and played back on > >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > personal taste and > >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > prefer the clean, > >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > by "European" decks > >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > that, listening to a > >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > qualify that - the > >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > which is becoming > >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I > like the Nak sound as > >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > >> > >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > actually getting one > >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > hope it's in good > >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > mint Dragon left to > >>him. > >> > >>George > >> > >>On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > >> > George, > >> > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > because I couldn't in > >> > the > >> > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Pieter > >> > > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - > Release Date: 21.10.2005 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 15:52:08 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <006901c5d633$2e9f5fc0$f38387d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051021135208.31028.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, Yes I heard about all the ravings some months ago too. I have yet to hear it so its hard to make any firm conclusions. However, the typical audio signal is very delicate. Its not like digital ones and zeroes which is robust to noise and colorization. So to put it thru so many components which are crammed into a slice of silicon would definitely have its drawbacks. If those guys liked the 2024's sound, its probably what they are looking for. I am a more harder person to satisfy when it comes to sound. And have eliminated some very seriously expensive and established names in favour of gear that people have almost forgotten about. But upon revisiting, people do realize what they have been missing. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Bala > > What about the Tripath TA 2024 chipset? Have you > tried it yet? I know a few > top audio design engineers in the Leak Yahoo club > who are raving about the > quality of sound you can get from the el cheapo > Sonic Impact utilisation of > it in their amps at a cost of around $30 each. > (Yes, Thirty Dollars.) They > are dyed in the wool tube men who now say they are > Class T converts. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 21 October 2005 03:22 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Hi Ron, > > Great and important questions. > Firstly, you have to look at > the construction of a typical op-amp. With more then > 40 transistors, and > associated components fabricated on a single slice > of silicon, you have > plenty of room for cross-conductance, capacitance, > noise and a whole host of > other issues. In my line of work, op-amps are my > best friends. I can wire up > a error controller in 10 minutes with a simple 4558D > op amp (yes the same > that is used in MANY of our beloved Naks). But thats > where, I feel, they > belong. In control and computational amplication. > Why would they name them > Operational Amplifiers then? :) > > To you second question: Yes I am aware even the > mighty 1000ZXL uses an > op-amp stage. But remember that to replace an op amp > stage would take many > descrete components. To have a deck purely built out > of that, would have the > Dragon ending up bigger then then a microwave oven > and the ZXL would be the > size of a small refrigerator! However, I take this > opportunity to point out > that our beloved Kermit has sucessfully engineered > and tested tube > equivalents for critical stages like the line > play-back amp. > > I think the above answers question 3. There is no > way a discrete tube > stage with good components would loose to an op-amp. > In fact, a properly > engineered tube stage exhibits much faster rise time > and slew rate then its > semiconductor counterpartm which is why its still > being used in industrial > level. > > Regards > Bala > > Ron wrote: > > No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I > have) the > digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow > raises > its head... > > So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do > you > think that discreet stages are preferable to > "cheap > op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further > from > the truth. > > Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love > so > much are filled to the brim with these cheap > op-amps? > > And, third, are you aware that many high end > tube audio > products contain a simplistic tube version of > op-amps? > > I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and > certainly, > no offense is intended. I am just wondering > aloud where > all these holy cows come from... > > -- Ron > > click. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 21 16:27:42 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:27:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need a freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the dragon, while everything on my CR-5 is big, bright and well labled. At 09:03 PM 10/20/2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Marc... > >Marc Stager wrote: >>First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: >>... >>But whoever designed the control placement on the front >>panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! > >I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the single >best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! I wonder if >they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For pro use, the >Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to excellent >ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have some of the best-engineered sound around. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 20:43:55 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20051021184355.48168.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think CR 7(A) and all CR series had decent User interface. Nakamichi was very arrogant when it came to dimensions , labelling and user interface. I think CR 7 labels tape types correctly unlike other decks marking like EX, SX or ZX kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need a freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the dragon, while everything on my CR-5 is big, bright and well labled. At 09:03 PM 10/20/2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Marc... > >Marc Stager wrote: >>First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: >>... >>But whoever designed the control placement on the front >>panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! > >I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the single >best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! I wonder if >they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For pro use, the >Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to excellent >ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have some of the best-engineered sound around. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 19:17:16 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:17:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com><6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com><43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: I WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY TO OWN A DRAGON... :-))) I really like to operate on the million buttons of my ZX7, before I start record, I check all the functions if they are engaged or not... I do not care about displays and LEDs, all I am very happy for is the sound and the quality. These decks were built for this target. Kindest regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design >I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need a >freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the dragon, >while everything on my CR-5 is big, bright and well labled. > > At 09:03 PM 10/20/2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Hi Marc... >> >>Marc Stager wrote: >>>First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: >>>... >>>But whoever designed the control placement on the front >>>panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! >> >>I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the single >>best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! I wonder if >>they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For pro use, the >>Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to excellent >>ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have some of the best-engineered sound >>around. >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 20:08:35 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:08:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Hi Bala! SO...I was just right, what I listen 20 years ago...among the 1000ZXL versus Dragon...I was also 20 years younger with better hears...the 1000ZXL was MUCH MORE MUSICALLY/FULLEST...that the Dragon...only much later we all Naks "Mad" owner & fans, discover the problems with this lovely "Giant"...NOT only in size also in $$$ 1000ZXL! However when really works...do it "Super Well"! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:37:18 -0700 (PDT) > >Ok, I have to concur with George who has a good taste from the gear he >owns. I have yet to make the 1000ZXL work, but from its smaller cousin the >700ZXL, I am already getting goosebumps! > >The 700ZXL is having a flaky computer and some crazed logic. It plays. And >the meters and lights work. But the sound..wow..it simple blew the Dragon, >my CR7 (which went in for service/cal not more than 2 years and has seen >little use since), 680ZX and so many other decks. Only my mighty Teac >X1000R and Akai GX747 edge it out.. No one believed it was cassette. > >Bala > >george valkov wrote: >Pieter, > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's like asking what do >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll try anyway and >I'll try to keep it short. > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, ease of maintenance, >parts availability and support from the company. This may not have >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but trust me, today it >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone auto-calibration function, which >is unique and produces excellent results on any tape (of course, I'm >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - proper tapes). Mine >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on TDK SA and 20-24kHz >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do not have discrete >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same casing, so off-tape >monitoring of recordings suffers. > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 and played back on >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of personal taste and >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just prefer the clean, >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced by "European" decks >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said that, listening to a >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to qualify that - the >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, which is becoming >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like the Nak sound as >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to actually getting one >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I hope it's in good >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to >him. > >George > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > George, > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 because I couldn't in the > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > Regards, > > > > Pieter > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 20:23:38 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:23:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I really...was a R to R fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" built in and later the A-700 + a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine "Brand New" from US (At that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I decided to "Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R tapes, and use only cassettes, the sound of the Revox sound better for my taste; that the Crown 822...but the later one has much bigger & better meters that the Revox A-77...the last Revox that I own the very expensive A-700...the meters...were OK for my eyes! Sound very..."European"...one! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) > >Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also >the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it >has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to >European ears.. > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi George! > > > > You wrote: > > > > >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint > > Dragon left to > > him.< > > > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really > > i was very > > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also > > agreed with you..that > > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' > > better that Nippon's ones! > > > > Be well George! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: george valkov > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > > > > > >Pieter, > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > > like asking what do > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > > try anyway and > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > > ease of maintenance, > > >parts availability and support from the company. > > This may not have > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > > trust me, today it > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > auto-calibration function, which > > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > > tape (of course, I'm > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > > proper tapes). Mine > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > > not have discrete > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > > casing, so off-tape > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > > and played back on > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > personal taste and > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > > prefer the clean, > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > > by "European" decks > > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > > that, listening to a > > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > > qualify that - the > > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > > which is becoming > > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > > the Nak sound as > > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > > actually getting one > > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > > hope it's in good > > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > > mint Dragon left to > > >him. > > > > > >George > > > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > > George, > > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > > because I couldn't in the > > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 21 20:24:22 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:24:22 -0400 Subject: [SPAM *7.900] Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <00c401c5d638$4ec28250$0801a8c0@TG> References: <00c401c5d638$4ec28250$0801a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051021141106.01c8eb38@psulias.psu.edu> My Naks do change the sound a bit. From CD the mids get fuller and the bass a bit more pronounced while the highs are a little softer, which is usually fine from CD. Of course the great thing about most Naks it that you can fiddle about til you get the sound you like. Even my CR-5 which just has bias fine tune, you have just enough latitude to take off or add on an edge to the sound. I usually use Maxell XLIIS for CDs (softer sound) and Sony UCS-X for LP (brighter sounding tape). Unfortunatly my rather large stocks of these tapes are about gone, so I'm banking on these EMTEC tapes to fill the void. Picked up a bunch of hi-res audio yesterday; Back in Black Dual Disc, Niel Young GH HDCD/DVD, R.S. GH2 and Beggars Banquet SACD and Aerosmith Toys in the Attic SACD. When I get the EMTEC and the SKC Metals, I'll test em out and report back. The Aerosmith SACD is one of the least impressive hi-res releases I've heard. Bass is pretty unspectacular (yes I have the Bass Managment set up correctly) and the high-end is pretty harsh. Vocals and Guitars are excellent and the noise floor is minimal. At 08:09 AM 10/21/2005, you wrote: >Yes Folks, > > From time to time, in this forum i mentioned Nakamichi made great > machines but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now good to hear > favorable ideas. >(Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 >- Dragon (off-specs)) > >Either thanks to its top equalization (not needing HXPro etc), or topology >of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded tapes somewhow not true with >the source (say CD) when i play both and compare source/tape. > >Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner of H1 (sister of B215). > >One way or another; this is the personal taste! More dynamics than >fidelity, its Nakamichi! > >My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by Stephan Sank, I'd love to have >this response with mines ; >"On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my measurements have yielded >"usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA & MA tapes. But the >relly impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB @ 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz >SA. That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." > >Good Naking! >Tayfur > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >>Hi George! >> >>You wrote: >> >>>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to >>him.< >> >>I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really i was very >>lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >> >>BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two heads Tandberg TD-310, at >>Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also agreed with you..that >>European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' better that Nippon's ones! >> >>Be well George! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: george valkov >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >>> >>>Pieter, >>> >>>There is no easy answer to such a question. It's like asking what do >>>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll try anyway and >>>I'll try to keep it short. >>> >>>I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, ease of maintenance, >>>parts availability and support from the company. This may not have >>>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but trust me, today it >>>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone auto-calibration function, which >>>is unique and produces excellent results on any tape (of course, I'm >>>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - proper tapes). Mine >>>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on TDK SA and 20-24kHz >>>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do not have discrete >>>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same casing, so off-tape >>>monitoring of recordings suffers. >>> >>>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 and played back on >>>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of personal taste and >>>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just prefer the clean, >>>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced by "European" decks >>>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said that, listening to a >>>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to qualify that - the >>>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, which is becoming >>>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like the Nak sound as >>>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. >>> >>>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to actually getting one >>>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I hope it's in good >>>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint Dragon left to >>>him. >>> >>>George >>> >>>On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: >>> > George, >>> > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 because I couldn't >>> in > the >>> > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Pieter >>> > >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21.10.2005 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 21 21:15:32 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:15:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <43593E54.50401@yahoo.ca> The BX-2 has big, easy to press buttons, but rec is right on the top of play. An other problem I see is that you can record on any tapes if you press eject(It lifts the record switch) just enough not to open the cover. (Or you press it fully in and you hold the door. That can be a problem if "timer rec" is on and that you power it on manually and accidentally press eject just a bit since eject and power are next to each others. At the same time it can be useful because I'm too lazy to put scotch tape on my BASF Ferro Extra I tapes. Derrick Beckner a écrit : > I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need > a freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the > dragon, while everything on my CR-5 is big, bright and well labled. > > At 09:03 PM 10/20/2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Marc... >> >> Marc Stager wrote: >> >>> First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: >>> ... >>> But whoever designed the control placement on the front >>> panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! >> >> >> I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the >> single best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! >> I wonder if they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For >> pro use, the Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to >> excellent ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have some of the >> best-engineered sound around. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 21 21:21:46 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:21:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <20051021135208.31028.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009601c5d674$ad3af600$f38387d9@oemcomputer> Bala Oh yes! I know what you mean about revisiting and find things were much better than they'd thought before! That happeed for me first time when I rediscovered the phono section in my Rotel amp ... and also when I realised my Quad 44 is a lot better than I'd remembered save for its cr#p phono section. Mind you, I still can't persuade the Quad 405's to sound good!!! Or at least, not as good as my old Sugden A21 integrated. ... So, what amps are you using to bless your Nakamichi players? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 21 October 2005 14:52 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Hi Graham, > I am a more harder person > to satisfy when it comes to sound. And have eliminated > some very seriously expensive and established names in > favour of gear that people have almost forgotten > about. But upon revisiting, people do realize what > they have been missing. > > Bala > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 21 21:21:50 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:21:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <009701c5d674$b00cb3a0$f38387d9@oemcomputer> LOL! I know what you mean, Derrick - it's called "getting older". Go see an optician!! <> Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 21 October 2005 15:28 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design > > > I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need a > freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the dragon, > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 21 22:52:28 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:52:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4359550C.7020107@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Great and important questions. I hope you realize that I was asking these questions tongue in cheek fashion... > Firstly, you have to look at > the construction of a typical op-amp. With more then 40 transistors, and > associated components fabricated on a single slice of silicon, you have > plenty of room for cross-conductance, capacitance, noise and a whole > host of other issues. Having designed with op-amps for more years than I care to remember, I strongly disagree. However, rather than debate the internal topology of op-amp ICs, let's look at what they can do and compare to other active devices. As you know, there are many types of op-amp ICs, designed for many different applications. Those designed for audio exhibit lower noise than any discrete device used in audio components (how about 4.5 nV/SQR(Hz) for the 4570?), unmatched linearity, wide bandwidth suitable even for video, etc., etc.. You claim that because there are 40+ transistors in the package, there should be problems. Fact is, there aren't any. When was the last time you saw a noisy op-amp IC or witnessed cross talk between devices in the same package, or any other of the 'whole host of other issues'? > In my line of work, op-amps are my best friends. I > can wire up a error controller in 10 minutes with a simple 4558D op amp > (yes the same that is used in MANY of our beloved Naks). But thats > where, I feel, they belong. In control and computational amplication. > Why would they name them Operational Amplifiers then? :) Control and analog computation were the first uses for op-amps. As uses expanded, they became one of the most useful components around. What's wrong with using them in audio, where they can do a better job than any other active device? > To you second question: Yes I am aware even the mighty 1000ZXL uses an > op-amp stage. But remember that to replace an op amp stage would take > many descrete components. To have a deck purely built out of that, would > have the Dragon ending up bigger then then a microwave oven and the ZXL > would be the size of a small refrigerator! Exactly. Thanks for making at least this point for op amps. They make possible designs not possible in other technologies. > However, I take this > opportunity to point out that our beloved Kermit has sucessfully > engineered and tested tube equivalents for critical stages like the line > play-back amp. So what? It still remains to demonstrate they they are better than the original design. > I think the above answers question 3. There is no way a discrete tube > stage with good components would loose to an op-amp. That's not a proof, it's a claim. To refute it, just look around. Where do you see tubes used in main stream designs? > In fact, a properly > engineered tube stage exhibits much faster rise time and slew rate then > its semiconductor counterpartm which is why its still being used in > industrial level. Patently false! What tube, and what op-amp? It's easy to generalize, but there are audio op-amps that easily beat most tube designs (22V/uS, 9 MHz, THD=0.0006% for OP0275. THD=0.00008% for OPA2134, etc.) Tubes used in industrial electronics offer high current at high frequencies. Yes, ICs are not the best in such applications, but this in not audio. As Engineers, we should choose the best component for the job. Op-amps happen to offer an excellent mix of properties for line level audio work, easily beating discrete designs in most applications. Choosing discrete designs just because of the aura of esoteric audio hi-end is foolish, even if it reels in the 'subjective crowd' and entices them to crack open their wallets. 'Discrete circuits are better' is just another myth, as false as 'green ink improves CDs', 'silver sounds better', 'tubes sound better', 'bricks on the amp sound better', etc., etc., etc.. Enjoy the music, -- Ron > > Regards > Bala > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I have) the > digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow raises > its head... > > So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do you > think that discreet stages are preferable to "cheap > op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further from > the truth. > > Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love so > much are filled to the brim with these cheap op-amps? > > And, third, are you aware that many high end tube audio > products contain a simplistic tube version of op-amps? > > I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and certainly, > no offense is intended. I am just wondering aloud where > all these holy cows come from... > > -- Ron > > > > nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > > George,I totally agree with you.What still amazes me ishow good can > > a low cassette tape sound on a high-end deck...Plus it's so > > convenient!Everyone has their own tastes,preferences,etc.Personally > > I like to see a discreet,with highest quality components High-End > > cassette deck.I don't like when companies start to cut corners > > in manufacturing process,ie.replacing discreet stages with cheap > > op-amps...I like the "take no prisoners"concept.Only the highest > > quality construction inside & outside,like the venerable Nak-1000 > > Tri-Tracer or modular Teac-C1 deck.The tubed cassette deck would > > be the ultimate purists choice as well!Just listen to the > > magnificent R2R Revox-G36...Regards,Maksim > > > > > From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] > > Sent: 10/20/2005 11:42:21 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > > >>Maksim, > >> > >>As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including > >>Dragon! , 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox > 710 MkII > >>and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm > >>and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The > >>Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be > >>speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables > >>throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I > cannot > >>laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate > that > >>any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to > >>your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording > >>and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - > be it > >>LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R > >>reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 > sources of > >>music reproduction. > >> > >>So, as ! far as I am concerned, there is no black and white > solution to > >>the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but > >>over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out > >>occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose > >>your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. > >> > >>Enjoy the music - at any price range ! > >> > >>George > >> > >>On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > >> > >>>Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD > players or turntables > >>>at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson > [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > >>>Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: > [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >>> > >>>I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ > for $, you can get > >>>a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player > for music reproduction. > >>> > >>>Gra -----Original Message----- > >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane > >>>Hoag > >>> Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > graker at woods-and-waters.com > >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >>> > >>> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if > that's even possible) > >>>:~) > >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a > dynamic range expander > >>>to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital > format, not throwing > >>>in other enhancers to make up for t! he deficiency. DBX is no > longer even available, > >>>and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, > etc., but the downfall > >>>seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back > anything encoded with > >>>it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby > recorded tapes on > >>>non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your > treble down. > >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that > digital just keeps getting > >>>better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. > But I still love > >>>analog gear too. :~) > >>>Doane From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 21 22:38:48 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:38:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051021163641.01c22e00@psulias.psu.edu> I'm certainly happy to have it, but a simple indicator light that Dolby is on, or that the EQ is at 70 or 120 would be nice. The recording set up is actually very easy, it's just the print for the EQ, Dolby, B/C and MPX filter is tiny and dark. At 01:17 PM 10/21/2005, Sándor István wrote: >I WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY TO OWN A DRAGON... >:-))) >I really like to operate on the million buttons of my ZX7, before I start >record, I check all the functions if they are engaged or not... >I do not care about displays and LEDs, all I am very happy for is the >sound and the quality. >These decks were built for this target. > >Kindest regards, >István Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 21 22:55:44 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:55:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <43593E54.50401@yahoo.ca> References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> <43593E54.50401@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <435955D0.2080200@yahoo.ca> Oh, and I forgot, I've got a Report-series Uher and it's design i saweful. Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > The BX-2 has big, easy to press buttons, but rec is right on the top > of play. > > An other problem I see is that you can record on any tapes if you > press eject(It lifts the record switch) just enough not to open the > cover. (Or you press it fully in and you hold the door. That can be a > problem if "timer rec" is on and that you power it on manually and > accidentally press eject just a bit since eject and power are next to > each others. > > At the same time it can be useful because I'm too lazy to put scotch > tape on my BASF Ferro Extra I tapes. > > Derrick Beckner a écrit : > >> I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I >> need a freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the >> dragon, while everything on my CR-5 is big, bright and well labled. >> >> At 09:03 PM 10/20/2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> >>> Hi Marc... >>> >>> Marc Stager wrote: >>> >>>> First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: >>>> ... >>>> But whoever designed the control placement on the front >>>> panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! >>> >>> >>> I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the >>> single best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever >>> read! I wonder if they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful >>> Ergonomics. For pro use, the Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to >>> beat with regard to excellent ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have >>> some of the best-engineered sound around. >> From flifton at mac.com Sat Oct 22 01:43:03 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:43:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics In-Reply-To: <200510211114.j9LBEMR2021979@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510211114.j9LBEMR2021979@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <07402FB1-8C2A-43FF-A88A-AE5D365885DC@mac.com> Well, if we're cataloging the design faults of Nak ergonomics, here's my pet peeve (beyond the mono-colored meters I griped about a few months back): On my CR-3 the eject button is above the power button, on my ZX7 they're the opposite. As a result, I can never remember which is which (my decks are one atop the other) and have to peer at the writing. Any good designer of computer interfaces (e.g., not a Microsoft designer) will tell you that consistency is as much a part of usability (i.e. ergonomics) as are layout and legibility. Given the gripes on the board of late, it looks like Nak scores a 0 in all three categories! Oh well, I'm still over-joyed by the music these machines can make, so I can live with their dubious ergonomics. cheers, Fred From packratt at erols.com Sat Oct 22 02:25:24 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:25:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics References: Message-ID: <435986F4.2070609@erols.com> Sources of new vinyl dccblowout CLASSIC RECORDS - remember the sound... Audiophile Vinyl Records WELCOME TO SUNDAZED MUSIC SACD, DVD Audio, Vinyl Record, Audiophile equipment - Acoustic Sounds Simply Vinyl Doane Hoag wrote: >Gra' > >So, again, where do you buy disks and is anyone pressing new ones today? It >seems like there would be a really limited choice of what you can get, but >you personally, probably already have a huge collection, right? > >I did, briefly surfing, find what looks like one good source for used >classical LP disks on line http://www.classical-lps.co.uk/list.htm, but they >are used, and they are expensive. They guarantee and they state, "ALL the >LPs should play Near Mint" ...of course, you have no idea of what type of >cartridge was used, not to mention how many times played, or what part of >the vinyl walls were worn or shaved off, noise, etc. There are a lot of >listings on Ebay, from cheap to expensive, but hard to find things you might >want, and looks like a hit and miss quality situation, unless you find >"sealed" ones. > >I hope someone is enjoying my pristine vinyl collection I gave away years >ago... it all ended up on Nakamichi cassettes, and I'm now moving those over >to digital CD for many more years of use, probably longer then I will be >around... maybe I'll donate them to some library some day, or to some future >audiophile collectors of "old early 2000 vintage CD recordings of older >1980's Nakamichi (most of them) cassette recordings of older late >1970-1980's vinyl recordings," ...some of those, of even older, >restored/remasted 78's recordings like the RCA Red Seal label... amazing >stuff! ;~. > > >Doane > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Nelson >Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:58 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >I take George's point about good and bad source material. That's very true >and there have been a lot of poor CD copies of LPs made that confuse the >issue, especially in the early days of CDs when one suspects record >companies were a little too hasty to get them produced and on the stores' >shelves. However, I do have some very good CDs that sound good on the high >end CD players. Nevertheless, and perhaps I am wrong in this, but it seems >to my ear that £1,000 worth of Rega turntable and Origin Live modified Rega >RB300 arm and MC cartridge will usually outperform £1,000 of Rega CD player >... and the Jupiter 2000 CD player is no slouch for the money. Of course, >much also depends on the phono stage in the amp ... if I use my Quad 44 >pre-amp phono stage, the CD player is actually superior! It is not if I use >the phono of my Eico ST70 my old Rotel nor my old Sugden A21. (And my >Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage takes it into a whole new League, but >that's cheating as that's not a fair comparison with a £1k CD player!) the >best thing, of course, is that one can buy excellent performing second hand >turntables and arms that are a fraction of the price of a new CD player, and >whip the CDs with the old black stuff. That includes turntables from around >and before the first generation CD players. That's the route I've taken - >2nd hand Oracle Delphi II, Rega RB300 that I had re-wired and modified by >Origin Live and I finally splashed out on a very special deal for the GS >Jazz Club, all of which is played through a very old Sugden A21. The CD >player sounds very good through the Sugden. But the Oracle set up ... >that's something else. Even my ancient Lenco L78 (slightly modified and >tweaked) sounds very good through the GS JC (I got the JC largely to match >with it, for playing non standard Eq 78s) and heads in front of the CD >player. > >Hang on, says you! In what way is the vinyl better? Well, I won't say it >is definitely more dynamic than the CD player (although it is through the >Graham Slee JC!) but the tonal colours are richer and more life-like to my >ear. To judge I use acoustic piano recordings as I am used to hearing my >Mum play a concert pitch piano. The record players - even the Lenco - win >on that score nearly every time against the CD player. I also judge using >female voice and acoustic guitar. The latter is good in much the same way >as the piano as it reveals how well the player reproduces sustained notes. >And female voices are a dead give away - they can sound perfectly natural, >like they are singing in the room without amplification, or they sound like >they are using a sound system. For me, CDs often sounds more like a sound >system is between the performance and the listener; however, as George >says, that may be more to do with the quality of the recording? > > >Gra' >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Doane Hoag >Sent: 20 October 2005 00:43 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to >argue this, just curious what you think a really good >record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much it >would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years >ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, >Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) > >Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing >disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? > >I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes >getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a >disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load >up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play >selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and >minuses to everything, I guess. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Nelson >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you >can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for >music reproduction. > >Gra > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 03:06:10 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051022010610.61656.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Recently I bought 1000ZXL and 700ZXL from a old man who also has many other Naks, including Dragon, CR7. The ZXL is not working, but when I ask him which is the best, he smiles and says he feel like 'flying' when he hears the 1000ZXL. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Bala! > > SO...I was just right, what I listen 20 years > ago...among the 1000ZXL versus > Dragon...I was also 20 years younger with better > hears...the 1000ZXL was > MUCH MORE MUSICALLY/FULLEST...that the Dragon...only > much later we all Naks > "Mad" owner & fans, discover the problems with this > lovely "Giant"...NOT > only in size also in $$$ 1000ZXL! However when > really works...do it "Super > Well"! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:37:18 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Ok, I have to concur with George who has a good > taste from the gear he > >owns. I have yet to make the 1000ZXL work, but > from its smaller cousin the > >700ZXL, I am already getting goosebumps! > > > >The 700ZXL is having a flaky computer and some > crazed logic. It plays. And > >the meters and lights work. But the sound..wow..it > simple blew the Dragon, > >my CR7 (which went in for service/cal not more than > 2 years and has seen > >little use since), 680ZX and so many other decks. > Only my mighty Teac > >X1000R and Akai GX747 edge it out.. No one believed > it was cassette. > > > >Bala > > > >george valkov wrote: > >Pieter, > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > like asking what do > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > try anyway and > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > ease of maintenance, > >parts availability and support from the company. > This may not have > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > trust me, today it > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > auto-calibration function, which > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > tape (of course, I'm > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > proper tapes). Mine > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > not have discrete > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > casing, so off-tape > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > and played back on > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > personal taste and > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > prefer the clean, > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > by "European" decks > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > that, listening to a > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > qualify that - the > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > which is becoming > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > the Nak sound as > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > actually getting one > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > hope it's in good > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > mint Dragon left to > >him. > > > >George > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > George, > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > because I couldn't in the > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Yahoo! 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FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 04:21:11 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051022022111.68964.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, I have an A77 MkIV, and I think you should get one again. But I think you may not like the PR99, because it has a very cleaned up sound. Very nice and clean, but lacks a little character when compared to the A77. You would find it similiar to a CR7 being compared to a ZXL deck. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I really...was a R to R fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" built in and later the A-700 + a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine "Brand New" from US (At that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I decided to "Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R tapes, and use only cassettes, the sound of the Revox sound better for my taste; that the Crown 822...but the later one has much bigger & better meters that the Revox A-77...the last Revox that I own the very expensive A-700...the meters...were OK for my eyes! Sound very..."European"...one! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) > >Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also >the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it >has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to >European ears.. > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi George! > > > > You wrote: > > > > >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint > > Dragon left to > > him.< > > > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really > > i was very > > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also > > agreed with you..that > > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' > > better that Nippon's ones! > > > > Be well George! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: george valkov > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > > > > > >Pieter, > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > > like asking what do > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > > try anyway and > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > > ease of maintenance, > > >parts availability and support from the company. > > This may not have > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > > trust me, today it > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > auto-calibration function, which > > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > > tape (of course, I'm > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > > proper tapes). Mine > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > > not have discrete > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > > casing, so off-tape > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > > and played back on > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > personal taste and > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > > prefer the clean, > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > > by "European" decks > > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > > that, listening to a > > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > > qualify that - the > > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > > which is becoming > > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > > the Nak sound as > > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > > actually getting one > > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > > hope it's in good > > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > > mint Dragon left to > > >him. > > > > > >George > > > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > > George, > > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > > because I couldn't in the > > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! 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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 04:26:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <009601c5d674$ad3af600$f38387d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051022022604.88702.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham, My main setup is a Audio Note M2 signature, into a McIntosh MC2500 running a pair OF XRT22 Speakers. I usually record from lps, a VPI TNT IV, and JMW 12in arm, Benz Ruby II. This setup usually runs the CR7, 680ZX and Dragon because they are more clinical and better suited. My room setup, is either an Audio Note Oto SE or Sansui 500A intergrated, running two pairs of McIntosh ML1Cs. This is the setup with character and soul where I love to plug in the Nak 600, 670ZX, 700ZXL and some other decks. Bala Nelson wrote: Bala Oh yes! I know what you mean about revisiting and find things were much better than they'd thought before! That happeed for me first time when I rediscovered the phono section in my Rotel amp ... and also when I realised my Quad 44 is a lot better than I'd remembered save for its cr#p phono section. Mind you, I still can't persuade the Quad 405's to sound good!!! Or at least, not as good as my old Sugden A21 integrated. ... So, what amps are you using to bless your Nakamichi players? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 21 October 2005 14:52 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Hi Graham, > I am a more harder person > to satisfy when it comes to sound. And have eliminated > some very seriously expensive and established names in > favour of gear that people have almost forgotten > about. But upon revisiting, people do realize what > they have been missing. > > Bala > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 04:42:43 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <4359550C.7020107@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051022024243.8713.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Well, that makes it all more educational for me :) During my dad's heyday of audio, people here were burning their tube amps in great funeral pyres and thousands of tubes were being crushed and smashed at the rubbish tip. i am sure everyone can remember, the time when power was everything and distortion reached three decimal places and hi-fi began to look like the cockpit of a business jet with all the equalizers, spatializers and what not. I am sure Ron, you know the fragility of the audio signal that we are dealing with. Recently, when I overhauled my Teac X1000R, I re-routed many of the wiresand spaced the signal wires away and tied the data wires to the chassis. This simple process greatly lowered the noise floor and bought out extra detail from the machine. That shows how susceptible the audio signal is the slightest form disturbance. Many a times, I have tried to correlate the sound with measurements, but maybe I am not good at it. Putting the signal through an op-amp leaves it sound a little more colder and lacking in the emotions (hmm..my Tek catalogue doesnt list instruments for measuring emotions) especially in the human voice. Putting the signal through my Akai M7 (or Nak 600) makes Julie London sound really lush and wonderful. But please do not think I am sidelining op-amps. Yes they are best for computation and control. But a good engineer can make a good sound out of op-amps. My Mc monster has them in the signal path (5534) and it sounds great. But it still lacks the raw emotions that I could get from an Mc30 or Mc 275. I can't argue much with specs in this area, but tubes, and discretes seem to do the job so well, so easily. The op275 is a great op-amp and it some designs like the OP37 are optimised for phono. But nevertheless, I have not come away from one design that has made me feel good in all these years. But most older tube amps have given me that feeling, each and every time. Bala Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Great and important questions. I hope you realize that I was asking these questions tongue in cheek fashion... > Firstly, you have to look at > the construction of a typical op-amp. With more then 40 transistors, and > associated components fabricated on a single slice of silicon, you have > plenty of room for cross-conductance, capacitance, noise and a whole > host of other issues. Having designed with op-amps for more years than I care to remember, I strongly disagree. However, rather than debate the internal topology of op-amp ICs, let's look at what they can do and compare to other active devices. As you know, there are many types of op-amp ICs, designed for many different applications. Those designed for audio exhibit lower noise than any discrete device used in audio components (how about 4.5 nV/SQR(Hz) for the 4570?), unmatched linearity, wide bandwidth suitable even for video, etc., etc.. You claim that because there are 40+ transistors in the package, there should be problems. Fact is, there aren't any. When was the last time you saw a noisy op-amp IC or witnessed cross talk between devices in the same package, or any other of the 'whole host of other issues'? > In my line of work, op-amps are my best friends. I > can wire up a error controller in 10 minutes with a simple 4558D op amp > (yes the same that is used in MANY of our beloved Naks). But thats > where, I feel, they belong. In control and computational amplication. > Why would they name them Operational Amplifiers then? :) Control and analog computation were the first uses for op-amps. As uses expanded, they became one of the most useful components around. What's wrong with using them in audio, where they can do a better job than any other active device? > To you second question: Yes I am aware even the mighty 1000ZXL uses an > op-amp stage. But remember that to replace an op amp stage would take > many descrete components. To have a deck purely built out of that, would > have the Dragon ending up bigger then then a microwave oven and the ZXL > would be the size of a small refrigerator! Exactly. Thanks for making at least this point for op amps. They make possible designs not possible in other technologies. > However, I take this > opportunity to point out that our beloved Kermit has sucessfully > engineered and tested tube equivalents for critical stages like the line > play-back amp. So what? It still remains to demonstrate they they are better than the original design. > I think the above answers question 3. There is no way a discrete tube > stage with good components would loose to an op-amp. That's not a proof, it's a claim. To refute it, just look around. Where do you see tubes used in main stream designs? > In fact, a properly > engineered tube stage exhibits much faster rise time and slew rate then > its semiconductor counterpartm which is why its still being used in > industrial level. Patently false! What tube, and what op-amp? It's easy to generalize, but there are audio op-amps that easily beat most tube designs (22V/uS, 9 MHz, THD=0.0006% for OP0275. THD=0.00008% for OPA2134, etc.) Tubes used in industrial electronics offer high current at high frequencies. Yes, ICs are not the best in such applications, but this in not audio. As Engineers, we should choose the best component for the job. Op-amps happen to offer an excellent mix of properties for line level audio work, easily beating discrete designs in most applications. Choosing discrete designs just because of the aura of esoteric audio hi-end is foolish, even if it reels in the 'subjective crowd' and entices them to crack open their wallets. 'Discrete circuits are better' is just another myth, as false as 'green ink improves CDs', 'silver sounds better', 'tubes sound better', 'bricks on the amp sound better', etc., etc., etc.. Enjoy the music, -- Ron > > Regards > Bala > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > No sooner have we laid to rest (at least, I have) the > digital vs. analog string, when another holy cow raises > its head... > > So, I have a couple of questions: first, why do you > think that discreet stages are preferable to "cheap > op-amps"? Actually, nothing could be further from > the truth. > > Second, are you aware that the Naks we all love so > much are filled to the brim with these cheap op-amps? > > And, third, are you aware that many high end tube audio > products contain a simplistic tube version of op-amps? > > I am not trying to needle you, Maksim, and certainly, > no offense is intended. I am just wondering aloud where > all these holy cows come from... > > -- Ron > > > > nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > > George,I totally agree with you.What still amazes me ishow good can > > a low cassette tape sound on a high-end deck...Plus it's so > > convenient!Everyone has their own tastes,preferences,etc.Personally > > I like to see a discreet,with highest quality components High-End > > cassette deck.I don't like when companies start to cut corners > > in manufacturing process,ie.replacing discreet stages with cheap > > op-amps...I like the "take no prisoners"concept.Only the highest > > quality construction inside & outside,like the venerable Nak-1000 > > Tri-Tracer or modular Teac-C1 deck.The tubed cassette deck would > > be the ultimate purists choice as well!Just listen to the > > magnificent R2R Revox-G36...Regards,Maksim > > > > > From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] > > Sent: 10/20/2005 11:42:21 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > > >>Maksim, > >> > >>As a owner of several Naks (not all at the same time, but including > >>Dragon! , 1000 ZXL, RX505, 582, 500, BX300, etc., etc.), ReVox > 710 MkII > >>and B-215, a Michell Orbe SE Limited edition turntable with SME V arm > >>and Van den Hul Colibri cartridge played through a Tom Evans "The > >>Groove" phono preamp, YBA power amps and JMLab Grand Utopia Be > >>speakers (Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker cables > >>throughout) and an EMM Labs CD transport + DAC in the system, I > cannot > >>laugh at neither vinyl, CD nor cassette replay. I can demonstrate > that > >>any of the 3 sources can leave your lower jaw permanently attached to > >>your chest. It all depends on the quality of the original recording > >>and what has been done with it down the line to its final form - > be it > >>LP, CD or tape. Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the pair of TEAC X2000-R > >>reel-to-reel decks also included in the system. Make that 4 > sources of > >>music reproduction. > >> > >>So, as ! far as I am concerned, there is no black and white > solution to > >>the the digital vs. analog debate. I try to keep out of it, but > >>over-generalised statements one way or another tend to draw me out > >>occasionally. Please do not take any of this personally, I just chose > >>your message as an opportunity to express my views to the whole list. > >> > >>Enjoy the music - at any price range ! > >> > >>George > >> > >>On 10/20/05, nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > >> > >>>Better yet,get a Tandberg 3014 A &laugh at all owners of CD,SACD > players or turntables > >>>at ANY PRICE RANGE!Cheers,Maksim > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson > [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > >>>Sent: 10/19/2005 11:26:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: > [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >>> > >>>I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ > for $, you can get > >>>a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player > for music reproduction. > >>> > >>>Gra -----Original Message----- > >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane > >>>Hoag > >>> Sent: 19 October 2005 17:55 > >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > graker at woods-and-waters.com > >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >>> > >>> So... what happens if you use DBX with the digital format? (if > that's even possible) > >>>:~) > >>>I don't think you can really compare things when you are using a > dynamic range expander > >>>to get this effect. Ron was talking about the analog vrs digital > format, not throwing > >>>in other enhancers to make up for t! he deficiency. DBX is no > longer even available, > >>>and I remember when it was, it had a real problem with pumping, > etc., but the downfall > >>>seemed to be that you had to have DBX in order to play back > anything encoded with > >>>it. That was why Dolby won out, you could still play back Dolby > recorded tapes on > >>>non Dolby with not too much difference, if you turned your > treble down. > >>>Each has its advantages and disadvantages, but I feel that > digital just keeps getting > >>>better, and for most people it's a huge improvement over analog. > But I still love > >>>analog gear too. :~) > >>>Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 22 05:04:15 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:04:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design Message-ID: Hi Kannan! What...?; I never saw such newer line, they abandoned the "Nakamichi" brand cassettes for the International one as Normal, Chrome & Metal? I agree...much better..of course! Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:43:55 -0700 (PDT) > >I think CR 7(A) and all CR series had decent User interface. Nakamichi was >very arrogant when it came to dimensions , labelling and user interface. >I think CR 7 labels tape types correctly unlike other decks marking like >EX, SX or ZX >kannan > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need a >freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the dragon, >while everything on my CR-5 is big, bright and well labled. > >At 09:03 PM 10/20/2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >Hi Marc... > > > >Marc Stager wrote: > >>First off, let me say the I own four Nakamichi decks: > >>... > >>But whoever designed the control placement on the front > >>panels has got to be a complete IDIOT!! > > > >I'm having a broad smile and a good laugh on my end! This is the single > >best critique on the ergonomics of a tape deck I've ever read! I wonder >if > >they consulted Uher, the Kings of Awful Ergonomics. For pro use, the > >Tascam and Studer-Revox are tough to beat with regard to excellent > >ergonomics, but Nakamichi still have some of the best-engineered sound >around. > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 22 05:14:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:14:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design Message-ID: Hi Graham! Sorry I agreed, with Derrick, WHY..Nak designers, don't use GREEN bar till per example + 5 on my Dragon (Chrome tapes as I use them 99%), and after + 5...goes RED colour bars....? This kind of display, for my "Common Senses"...it's better to comprehend...when you record...! No...? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:21:50 +0100 > >LOL! I know what you mean, Derrick - it's called "getting older". Go see >an optician!! <> > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > > Sent: 21 October 2005 15:28 > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design > > > > > > I REALLY wish the Dragon had the same design as the CR series. I need a > > freaking flashlight to read anything on the front panel of the dragon, > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 22 17:38:05 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:38:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <435986F4.2070609@erols.com> Message-ID: Gra: Thanks for the links. Doane -----Original Message----- From: packratt at erols.com [mailto:packratt at erols.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:25 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Sources of new vinyl dccblowout CLASSIC RECORDS - remember the sound... Audiophile Vinyl Records WELCOME TO SUNDAZED MUSIC SACD, DVD Audio, Vinyl Record, Audiophile equipment - Acoustic Sounds Simply Vinyl Doane Hoag wrote: Gra' So, again, where do you buy disks and is anyone pressing new ones today? It seems like there would be a really limited choice of what you can get, but you personally, probably already have a huge collection, right? I did, briefly surfing, find what looks like one good source for used classical LP disks on line http://www.classical-lps.co.uk/list.htm, but they are used, and they are expensive. They guarantee and they state, "ALL the LPs should play Near Mint" ...of course, you have no idea of what type of cartridge was used, not to mention how many times played, or what part of the vinyl walls were worn or shaved off, noise, etc. There are a lot of listings on Ebay, from cheap to expensive, but hard to find things you might want, and looks like a hit and miss quality situation, unless you find "sealed" ones. I hope someone is enjoying my pristine vinyl collection I gave away years ago... it all ended up on Nakamichi cassettes, and I'm now moving those over to digital CD for many more years of use, probably longer then I will be around... maybe I'll donate them to some library some day, or to some future audiophile collectors of "old early 2000 vintage CD recordings of older 1980's Nakamichi (most of them) cassette recordings of older late 1970-1980's vinyl recordings," ...some of those, of even older, restored/remasted 78's recordings like the RCA Red Seal label... amazing stuff! ;~. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:58 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I take George's point about good and bad source material. That's very true and there have been a lot of poor CD copies of LPs made that confuse the issue, especially in the early days of CDs when one suspects record companies were a little too hasty to get them produced and on the stores' shelves. However, I do have some very good CDs that sound good on the high end CD players. Nevertheless, and perhaps I am wrong in this, but it seems to my ear that £1,000 worth of Rega turntable and Origin Live modified Rega RB300 arm and MC cartridge will usually outperform £1,000 of Rega CD player ... and the Jupiter 2000 CD player is no slouch for the money. Of course, much also depends on the phono stage in the amp ... if I use my Quad 44 pre-amp phono stage, the CD player is actually superior! It is not if I use the phono of my Eico ST70 my old Rotel nor my old Sugden A21. (And my Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage takes it into a whole new League, but that's cheating as that's not a fair comparison with a £1k CD player!) the best thing, of course, is that one can buy excellent performing second hand turntables and arms that are a fraction of the price of a new CD player, and whip the CDs with the old black stuff. That includes turntables from around and before the first generation CD players. That's the route I've taken - 2nd hand Oracle Delphi II, Rega RB300 that I had re-wired and modified by Origin Live and I finally splashed out on a very special deal for the GS Jazz Club, all of which is played through a very old Sugden A21. The CD player sounds very good through the Sugden. But the Oracle set up ... that's something else. Even my ancient Lenco L78 (slightly modified and tweaked) sounds very good through the GS JC (I got the JC largely to match with it, for playing non standard Eq 78s) and heads in front of the CD player. Hang on, says you! In what way is the vinyl better? Well, I won't say it is definitely more dynamic than the CD player (although it is through the Graham Slee JC!) but the tonal colours are richer and more life-like to my ear. To judge I use acoustic piano recordings as I am used to hearing my Mum play a concert pitch piano. The record players - even the Lenco - win on that score nearly every time against the CD player. I also judge using female voice and acoustic guitar. The latter is good in much the same way as the piano as it reveals how well the player reproduces sustained notes. And female voices are a dead give away - they can sound perfectly natural, like they are singing in the room without amplification, or they sound like they are using a sound system. For me, CDs often sounds more like a sound system is between the performance and the listener; however, as George says, that may be more to do with the quality of the recording? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 20 October 2005 00:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I'm curious what you had in mind, give me an example. I'm not trying to argue this, just curious what you think a really good record/turntable/arm/cartridge system would consist of today and how much it would cost? I'm sort of out of touch with all of this now, it's been years ago that I was into all that, along with Sumicko arms, Shure cartridges, Diskwasher, and all sorts of other record paraphernalia. :~) Also, who is producing vinyl these days, are some companies still pressing disks and I would think the selection would be pretty slim and expensive? I do love the beautiful mechanics of it all, I used to spend a few minutes getting each record just ready to play, sort of a ritual, now I just slip a disk in and listen, but it sure is a lot more convenient. Also nice to load up 5 CDs, put it on random and listen to over 5 hours of random play selections while friends visit, etc. Like I said, there are pluses and minuses to everything, I guess. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics I would agree that digital is getting better BUT I'd suggest, $ for $, you can get a better record turntable/arm/cartridge than you can a CD player for music reproduction. Gra ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 22 00:30:27 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:30:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <4359550C.7020107@rcn.com> References: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4359550C.7020107@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43596C03.5090503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron wrote: > Patently false! What tube, and what op-amp? It's easy to > generalize, but there are audio op-amps that easily beat > most tube designs (22V/uS, 9 MHz, THD=0.0006% for OP0275. > THD=0.00008% for OPA2134, etc.) Not to stir up another us-vs-them style debate, but specs do not guarantee excellent sound. The best designers, and the most sought-after and prized audio gear, were not designed "by the numbers". Audio products are perceptual products; e.g. you have to appeal to the subtleties of the human brain/ear combination. Designs that look great on test gear and oscilloscopes do not necessarily sound as good as the numbers suggest. > As Engineers, we should choose the best component for the > job. Which is why I use tubes in my designs. I used to design with opams but couldn't achieve the sound I sought with them, but I could with tubes. Yet I've heard excellent sound come out of all technologies: tube, transistor, FET, opamp, and LSI. > 'Discrete circuits are better' is just another myth, as > false as 'green ink improves CDs', 'silver sounds better', > 'tubes sound better', 'bricks on the amp sound better', > etc., etc., etc.. I design with tubes, not opamps. Why? Personal preferences: I am able to achieve the subjective characterisitics I seek in my designs with tubes, not with opamps. But, I lack the hubris to insult a person's intelligence with the silly -- and often self-serving notion -- that "only tubes are best" and "opamps are crap" (or conversely, "opamps are best" and "tubes are crap"). I'm constantly amazed at the inability of all-too-many in audio today to be able to rise above such partisan (and equally self-serving) stances. Opamps are best and tube circuits are merely sales mystique designed to extract money from buyers? Sounds more to me like ad bauculum arguments and words from an opamp-circuit designer or salesman. (BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I've actually counseled prospective audio buyers NOT to buy tube gear -- even though that's what I design! WHY? I could recognize that tubes would not be the ideal choice for them, either because of practical considerations, costs, or subjective aspects. Did I cost myself a sale in the process? No, I don't think so. I'd rather the person have the "best" sound for their situation, not a tube amp at all costs, regardless, merely because of a blindly zealous "tubes are best" position. Similarly, even though I prefer analog recorders for a great many reasons, I've counseled some buyers to buy digital recorders instead.) "The sun rises in the east" is a fact and an absolute. Assertions that opamps, tubes, or whatever, is "best" is an opinion or a design choice, but not a fact and not an absolute. I'm also constantly amazed at the inability of designers or buyers to recognize that ALL available technologies are equally capable of excellent sound. Design TECHNIQUE, not design technology, is the most important aspect of achieving great sound. In other words, it matters more what you do with your chosen technology than which technology you choose. This is one reason why even a 25-year-old Nakamichi cassette recorder can hold its own with newer-technology digital equipment. The excellent design TECHNIQUES of Nakamichi cassette decks give it excellent sound, on a par with, and sometimes "better" than, digital in many instances. True, it can be argued successfully that excellent sound may be achieved cheaper with opamps than with tubes. This whole notion that any one given technology or particular design approach is "best"is garbage. Designers, salespersons, promoters and even audiophiles who indulge in generalizations such as these serve only to discredit themselves and undermine the authority of their propositions. Could we please be done with such nonsense? IMPORTANT: My motive for this message is to try to bring a voice of sanity, not to ignite a tube-vs-opamp war. I intend no remark to be personal and no animosity is directed toward anyone. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 22 18:22:11 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:22:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help Please... and an LP Proposal Message-ID: Hi, all: If any of you are into classical music, please read on: I no longer have a record player and I sold my collection of mint condition records years ago, but I still have one record that is a collector's item and very hard to find, and I would like to get it into digital wav format on a CD by someone with the best equipment, and recording expertise I can find. It is a rare, pristine, original Russian LP recording/pressing on the Melodiya label, stereo 33c-01115--16(a) of Aram Khachaturian's Concerto for Violin & Orchestra in D min. With the composer conducting the Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra and David Oistrakh playing the violin. Khachaturian wrote this concerto especially for Oistrakh, who is one of the greatest violinists of all time. It's a moving, uplifting, piece, one of the most difficult violin pieces, and the playing by Oistrakh is known to be the best ever recorded of it. This was available years ago on CD but is no longer available and I believe the record version is better then the CD version, which they tried to "enhance." Anyway, I kept this collectors disk, but have no way to get it into digital format properly, and I no longer have the tape version of it I made a long time ago.. I know someone here could do it, and probably better then some of the commercial places and if anyone is interested, you can keep the record for your collection. The jacket is in Russian and English and has a picture of Khachaturian on the cover and the recording/history info on the back. The disk needs to be cleaned properly, played properly and recorded into wav format, with no alterations to the sound signal (NO pop/tick removal, etc.), at which point, it should be burned to a CD at 2x speed for highest quality. If any one is interested, please email me separately (doane the-at-symbol rhoag.com), I live in the USA, so would like to avoid international shipping if possible. I would like to give this to someone who will appreciate it, or knows someone they can give it to after recording it, some one who loves this type of music. Thanks, Doane From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 22 18:27:09 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:27:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics In-Reply-To: <07402FB1-8C2A-43FF-A88A-AE5D365885DC@mac.com> Message-ID: Fred: I had just mentioned that, on my ZX-7 and LX-5, although they aren't opposite each other. And, how about that cheap, green sticker they use as a poor substitue for a tape back light? Does your CR-3 use that too? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics Well, if we're cataloging the design faults of Nak ergonomics, here's my pet peeve (beyond the mono-colored meters I griped about a few months back): On my CR-3 the eject button is above the power button, on my ZX7 they're the opposite. As a result, I can never remember which is which (my decks are one atop the other) and have to peer at the writing. Any good designer of computer interfaces (e.g., not a Microsoft designer) will tell you that consistency is as much a part of usability (i.e. ergonomics) as are layout and legibility. Given the gripes on the board of late, it looks like Nak scores a 0 in all three categories! Oh well, I'm still over-joyed by the music these machines can make, so I can live with their dubious ergonomics. cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 22 20:32:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:32:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <435955D0.2080200@yahoo.ca> References: <200510200909.j9K98SOo017694@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051020165335.02941e80@stager.com> <43583E52.5040002@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051021102632.01b8f900@psulias.psu.edu> <43593E54.50401@yahoo.ca> <435955D0.2080200@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <435A85A5.8030800@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine! Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Oh, and I forgot, I've got a Report-series Uher and it's design i saweful. You understand what I mean about Uher's awful ergonomics! I have the 4400 Report Stereo and the 1000 Report Pilot. They're called Report because they're ENG equipment. I like the sound for certain things but they have absolutely the worst ergonomics. And they use 5 batteries! What's up with that? Try to buy a set of 5 batteries! You have to buy 8 and use 3 for something else. But, my recorder-of-choice for portable recording is my faithful pair of Nakamichi 550, which over time acquired the nicknames "Bad Girl" and "Good Girl." -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 22 21:14:27 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051022191427.36395.qmail@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the BX-2 it's a shiny mirror thing and on my Superscope CD-330, it's an orange sticker. I think I'll try to put a LED or two one day. I'd put an EL backlight if it would not produce RFI but that's not the case. Maybe a LED backlight? --- Doane Hoag a écrit : > Fred: > I had just mentioned that, on my ZX-7 and LX-5, > although they aren't > opposite each other. And, how about that cheap, > green sticker they use as a > poor substitue for a tape back light? Does your CR-3 > use that too? > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics > > > Well, if we're cataloging the design faults of Nak > ergonomics, here's > my pet peeve (beyond the mono-colored meters I > griped about a few > months back): On my CR-3 the eject button is above > the power button, > on my ZX7 they're the opposite. As a result, I can > never remember > which is which (my decks are one atop the other) and > have to peer at > the writing. Any good designer of computer > interfaces (e.g., not a > Microsoft designer) will tell you that consistency > is as much a part > of usability (i.e. ergonomics) as are layout and > legibility. Given > the gripes on the board of late, it looks like Nak > scores a 0 in all > three categories! > > Oh well, I'm still over-joyed by the music these > machines can make, > so I can live with their dubious ergonomics. > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited > States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 22 21:36:55 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:36:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics In-Reply-To: <20051022191427.36395.qmail@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I haven't thought to look on my transports, when I have the deck open, to see if there is even room to put a small window there for a back light. It's possible they just didn't have room for one, but maybe they were just trying to save money? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:14 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak ergonomics On the BX-2 it's a shiny mirror thing and on my Superscope CD-330, it's an orange sticker. I think I'll try to put a LED or two one day. I'd put an EL backlight if it would not produce RFI but that's not the case. Maybe a LED backlight? --- Doane Hoag a écrit : > Fred: > I had just mentioned that, on my ZX-7 and LX-5, > although they aren't > opposite each other. And, how about that cheap, > green sticker they use as a > poor substitue for a tape back light? Does your CR-3 > use that too? > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics > > > Well, if we're cataloging the design faults of Nak > ergonomics, here's > my pet peeve (beyond the mono-colored meters I > griped about a few > months back): On my CR-3 the eject button is above > the power button, > on my ZX7 they're the opposite. As a result, I can > never remember > which is which (my decks are one atop the other) and > have to peer at > the writing. Any good designer of computer > interfaces (e.g., not a > Microsoft designer) will tell you that consistency > is as much a part > of usability (i.e. ergonomics) as are layout and > legibility. Given > the gripes on the board of late, it looks like Nak > scores a 0 in all > three categories! > > Oh well, I'm still over-joyed by the music these > machines can make, > so I can live with their dubious ergonomics. > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited > States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are also manual Eq pushbuttons which are labeled "EX(I)", "SX(II)" and "ZX(IV)". -Ti From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 04:31:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051023023124.78055.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well guys even the 1000ZXL uses the silver sticker as a 'backlight' substitute. I may eventually mill a square slot and have a small green bulb fitted with a translucent plastic piece in front. Bala --- Doane Hoag wrote: > Fred: > I had just mentioned that, on my ZX-7 and LX-5, > although they aren't > opposite each other. And, how about that cheap, > green sticker they use as a > poor substitue for a tape back light? Does your CR-3 > use that too? > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics > > > Well, if we're cataloging the design faults of Nak > ergonomics, here's > my pet peeve (beyond the mono-colored meters I > griped about a few > months back): On my CR-3 the eject button is above > the power button, > on my ZX7 they're the opposite. As a result, I can > never remember > which is which (my decks are one atop the other) and > have to peer at > the writing. Any good designer of computer > interfaces (e.g., not a > Microsoft designer) will tell you that consistency > is as much a part > of usability (i.e. ergonomics) as are layout and > legibility. Given > the gripes on the board of late, it looks like Nak > scores a 0 in all > three categories! > > Oh well, I'm still over-joyed by the music these > machines can make, > so I can live with their dubious ergonomics. > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited > States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 23 05:57:53 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <435A85A5.8030800@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051023035753.90105.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just looked at the model. I have the 4400 Report Stereo "IC". I think mine uses 4. Anyways, I have the transformer going in the battery pack so I don't need batteries! The buttons are in this order: rew, start, pause, stop, rec, ff. And the volume controls are so close to each other that you might move one at the same time you move an other. --- "Kermit V. Gray" a écrit : > Hi Antoine! > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Oh, and I forgot, I've got a Report-series Uher > and it's design i saweful. > > You understand what I mean about Uher's awful > ergonomics! I have the > 4400 Report Stereo and the 1000 Report Pilot. > They're called Report > because they're ENG equipment. I like the sound for > certain things but > they have absolutely the worst ergonomics. And they > use 5 batteries! > What's up with that? Try to buy a set of 5 > batteries! You have to buy 8 > and use 3 for something else. > > But, my recorder-of-choice for portable recording is > my faithful pair of > Nakamichi 550, which over time acquired the > nicknames "Bad Girl" and > "Good Girl." > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://mail.yahoo.fr From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Oct 23 06:05:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:05:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Hi Bala! So...again...my statement is 100% correct! I knew so, 2 decades earlier that "Most"...of today's Nak owner & or fans. Now I will drink Pina Colada...which I really love very much....enjoying my happiness!!! Alex! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Alex, > > Recently I bought 1000ZXL and 700ZXL from a old >man who also has many other Naks, including Dragon, >CR7. The ZXL is not working, but when I ask him which >is the best, he smiles and says he feel like 'flying' >when he hears the 1000ZXL. > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi Bala! > > > > SO...I was just right, what I listen 20 years > > ago...among the 1000ZXL versus > > Dragon...I was also 20 years younger with better > > hears...the 1000ZXL was > > MUCH MORE MUSICALLY/FULLEST...that the Dragon...only > > much later we all Naks > > "Mad" owner & fans, discover the problems with this > > lovely "Giant"...NOT > > only in size also in $$$ 1000ZXL! However when > > really works...do it "Super > > Well"! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:37:18 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Ok, I have to concur with George who has a good > > taste from the gear he > > >owns. I have yet to make the 1000ZXL work, but > > from its smaller cousin the > > >700ZXL, I am already getting goosebumps! > > > > > >The 700ZXL is having a flaky computer and some > > crazed logic. It plays. And > > >the meters and lights work. But the sound..wow..it > > simple blew the Dragon, > > >my CR7 (which went in for service/cal not more than > > 2 years and has seen > > >little use since), 680ZX and so many other decks. > > Only my mighty Teac > > >X1000R and Akai GX747 edge it out.. No one believed > > it was cassette. > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >george valkov wrote: > > >Pieter, > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > > like asking what do > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > > try anyway and > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > > ease of maintenance, > > >parts availability and support from the company. > > This may not have > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > > trust me, today it > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > auto-calibration function, which > > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > > tape (of course, I'm > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > > proper tapes). Mine > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > > not have discrete > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > > casing, so off-tape > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > > and played back on > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > personal taste and > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > > prefer the clean, > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > > by "European" decks > > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > > that, listening to a > > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > > qualify that - the > > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > > which is becoming > > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > > the Nak sound as > > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > > actually getting one > > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > > hope it's in good > > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > > mint Dragon left to > > >him. > > > > > >George > > > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > > George, > > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > > because I couldn't in the > > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites > > in one click. > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Oct 23 06:12:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:12:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: Lovely Bala! Now I'm married, and it's prohibited for me to been a " Tape Decks Collector"..."Once was Once"...today I stay with ONE tape deck, my gifted Dragon...satisfies me! Thanks very heart fully for your cute advice..whatever...! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Alex, > > I have an A77 MkIV, and I think you should get one again. But I think you >may not like the PR99, because it has a very cleaned up sound. Very nice >and clean, but lacks a little character when compared to the A77. You would >find it similiar to a CR7 being compared to a ZXL deck. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I really...was a R to R >fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" built in and later the A-700 >+ >a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine "Brand New" from US (At >that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I decided to >"Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R tapes, and use only cassettes, the >sound of the Revox sound better for my taste; that the Crown 822...but the >later one has much bigger & better meters that the Revox A-77...the last >Revox that I own the very expensive A-700...the meters...were OK for my >eyes! Sound very..."European"...one! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also > >the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it > >has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to > >European ears.. > > > >Bala > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi George! > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint > > > Dragon left to > > > him.< > > > > > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really > > > i was very > > > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > > > > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > > > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > > > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also > > > agreed with you..that > > > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' > > > better that Nippon's ones! > > > > > > Be well George! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: george valkov > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > > > > > > > >Pieter, > > > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > > > like asking what do > > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > > > try anyway and > > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > > > ease of maintenance, > > > >parts availability and support from the company. > > > This may not have > > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > > > trust me, today it > > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > > auto-calibration function, which > > > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > > > tape (of course, I'm > > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > > > proper tapes). Mine > > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > > > not have discrete > > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > > > casing, so off-tape > > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > > > and played back on > > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > > personal taste and > > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > > > prefer the clean, > > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > > > by "European" decks > > > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > > > that, listening to a > > > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > > > qualify that - the > > > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > > > which is becoming > > > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > > > the Nak sound as > > > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > > > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > > > actually getting one > > > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > > > hope it's in good > > > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > > > mint Dragon left to > > > >him. > > > > > > > >George > > > > > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > > > George, > > > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > > > because I couldn't in the > > > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Oct 23 06:18:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:18:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43596C03.5090503@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Dear Kermit! REALLY!!!! I love your sincere honestly and cute explanation...Be well ever!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:30:27 -0500 > >Hi Ron, > >Ron wrote: >>Patently false! What tube, and what op-amp? It's easy to >>generalize, but there are audio op-amps that easily beat >>most tube designs (22V/uS, 9 MHz, THD=0.0006% for OP0275. >>THD=0.00008% for OPA2134, etc.) > >Not to stir up another us-vs-them style debate, but specs do not guarantee >excellent sound. The best designers, and the most sought-after and prized >audio gear, were not designed "by the numbers". > >Audio products are perceptual products; e.g. you have to appeal to the >subtleties of the human brain/ear combination. Designs that look great on >test gear and oscilloscopes do not necessarily sound as good as the numbers >suggest. > >>As Engineers, we should choose the best component for the >>job. > >Which is why I use tubes in my designs. I used to design with opams but >couldn't achieve the sound I sought with them, but I could with tubes. Yet >I've heard excellent sound come out of all technologies: tube, transistor, >FET, opamp, and LSI. > > >>'Discrete circuits are better' is just another myth, as >>false as 'green ink improves CDs', 'silver sounds better', >>'tubes sound better', 'bricks on the amp sound better', >>etc., etc., etc.. > >I design with tubes, not opamps. Why? Personal preferences: I am able to >achieve the subjective characterisitics I seek in my designs with tubes, >not with opamps. > >But, I lack the hubris to insult a person's intelligence with the silly -- >and often self-serving notion -- that "only tubes are best" and "opamps are >crap" (or conversely, "opamps are best" and "tubes are crap"). I'm >constantly amazed at the inability of all-too-many in audio today to be >able to rise above such partisan (and equally self-serving) stances. >Opamps are best and tube circuits are merely sales mystique designed to >extract money from buyers? Sounds more to me like ad bauculum arguments and >words from an opamp-circuit designer or salesman. > >(BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I've actually counseled prospective audio buyers NOT to >buy tube gear -- even though that's what I design! WHY? I could recognize >that tubes would not be the ideal choice for them, either because of >practical considerations, costs, or subjective aspects. Did I cost myself a >sale in the process? No, I don't think so. I'd rather the person have the >"best" sound for their situation, not a tube amp at all costs, regardless, >merely because of a blindly zealous "tubes are best" position. Similarly, >even though I prefer analog recorders for a great many reasons, I've >counseled some buyers to buy digital recorders instead.) > >"The sun rises in the east" is a fact and an absolute. Assertions that >opamps, tubes, or whatever, is "best" is an opinion or a design choice, but >not a fact and not an absolute. > >I'm also constantly amazed at the inability of designers or buyers to >recognize that ALL available technologies are equally capable of excellent >sound. > >Design TECHNIQUE, not design technology, is the most important aspect of >achieving great sound. In other words, it matters more what you do with >your chosen technology than which technology you choose. > >This is one reason why even a 25-year-old Nakamichi cassette recorder can >hold its own with newer-technology digital equipment. The excellent design >TECHNIQUES of Nakamichi cassette decks give it excellent sound, on a par >with, and sometimes "better" than, digital in many instances. True, it can >be argued successfully that excellent sound may be achieved cheaper with >opamps than with tubes. > >This whole notion that any one given technology or particular design >approach is "best"is garbage. Designers, salespersons, promoters and even >audiophiles who indulge in generalizations such as these serve only to >discredit themselves and undermine the authority of their propositions. > >Could we please be done with such nonsense? > >IMPORTANT: My motive for this message is to try to bring a voice of sanity, >not to ignite a tube-vs-opamp war. I intend no remark to be personal and no >animosity is directed toward anyone. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Oct 23 06:26:59 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:26:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <20051022212945.8D60125228@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Hello Ti! Thank you so much for your explanation, It's 100% OK with me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:29:45 -0700 (PDT) > >Alex Cozac writes: > > Hi Kannan! > > > > What...?; I never saw such newer line, they abandoned the "Nakamichi" >brand > > cassettes for the International one as Normal, Chrome & Metal? I > > agree...much better..of course! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > >Nope. The CR-7 still has the "EX", "SX" and "ZX" in its display >(it auto-senses the tape type). There are also manual Eq pushbuttons >which are labeled "EX(I)", "SX(II)" and "ZX(IV)". > >-Ti > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Oct 23 07:23:58 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:23:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <20051023035753.90105.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051023035753.90105.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <435B1E6E.6010809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Just looked at the model. I have the 4400 Report > Stereo "IC". I think mine uses 4. Anyways, I have the > transformer going in the battery pack so I don't need > batteries! That beats mine with its five batteries. By the way, a Nakamichi 550 uses 8 batteries, which is why they weigh so much. > The buttons are in this order: > rew, start, pause, stop, rec, ff. And the volume > controls are so close to each other that you might > move one at the same time you move an other. And to clean the Uher's heads you have to remove two teensy-weensy screws the size of the screws in eyeglass frames, then lift off that panel just above the heads. Stupid! To clean the Nakamichi 550 heads, you push STOP/EJECT and there are the heads, readily accessible. Easy! Oh well, my Uher makes me appreciate my Nakamichi 550 all the more. A great contrast the two machines make. I also despise the Uher's small edgewise meters. They read only -12 dB to +2 dB! On my Uher, the meters have no scale, just a red section and a black section. Not as useful as having a dB scale on the meter. The Nakamichi 550's meters are big and easy to read with extended range down to -40 dB and up to +5 dB! Wonderful ballistics too! With the 550, I think Nakamichi did an excellent job on the ergonomics. It really has very little wrong with its layout. A 550 can be operated easily even when you're standing or walking with it. One meter has a device to show tape time remaining because you cannot see the tape while you're standing or walking with it. That's a nice touch. The transport controls are recessed so you do not bump them while you're standing or walking with it, which is another nice touch. Nevertheless, the 550 transport's controls are still easy to reach and intuitive in their arrangement. My only gripe: the button to turn on the oscillator and the level trimpot knobs are on the back panel by the RCA jacks, which is a bit awkward. But you do not need to use these controls often, so it makes sense that Nakamichi put the button and trimpots where they did. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Oct 23 11:15:41 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:15:41 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Alignment Message-ID: <006301c5d7b2$57603300$0201a8c0@lan> Sorry for the late 'butt in', but just catching up on things. Bob, FWIW, With my 682, the condition of the tape has a big bearing on how long the auto azimuth operation takes. With a good tape it is all over with no fuss in 10 -12 seconds, but with a 'manky' tape that has been through the car stereo etc, then the deck will clatter and clank away for up to 20 seconds like a mouse on a rusty wheel!. This is a repeatable phenomenon, and not knowing the exact details of the process, I would be interested in comments from the learned techo's in nakland. (My guess is the linear creases in the tape make it hard for the deck to 'read' and hence get a useable signal off the tape.. probably the one instance where the pressure pad may be useful.) Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 11:22:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051023092231.15954.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Having heard the sound and knowing the truth, I am sure your Pina Colada will be most wonderful. Regards Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Bala! > > So...again...my statement is 100% correct! I knew > so, 2 decades earlier that > "Most"...of today's Nak owner & or fans. > > Now I will drink Pina Colada...which I really love > very much....enjoying my > happiness!!! > > Alex! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > Recently I bought 1000ZXL and 700ZXL from a > old > >man who also has many other Naks, including Dragon, > >CR7. The ZXL is not working, but when I ask him > which > >is the best, he smiles and says he feel like > 'flying' > >when he hears the 1000ZXL. > > > >Bala > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi Bala! > > > > > > SO...I was just right, what I listen 20 years > > > ago...among the 1000ZXL versus > > > Dragon...I was also 20 years younger with better > > > hears...the 1000ZXL was > > > MUCH MORE MUSICALLY/FULLEST...that the > Dragon...only > > > much later we all Naks > > > "Mad" owner & fans, discover the problems with > this > > > lovely "Giant"...NOT > > > only in size also in $$$ 1000ZXL! However when > > > really works...do it "Super > > > Well"! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:37:18 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >Ok, I have to concur with George who has a good > > > taste from the gear he > > > >owns. I have yet to make the 1000ZXL work, but > > > from its smaller cousin the > > > >700ZXL, I am already getting goosebumps! > > > > > > > >The 700ZXL is having a flaky computer and some > > > crazed logic. It plays. And > > > >the meters and lights work. But the > sound..wow..it > > > simple blew the Dragon, > > > >my CR7 (which went in for service/cal not more > than > > > 2 years and has seen > > > >little use since), 680ZX and so many other > decks. > > > Only my mighty Teac > > > >X1000R and Akai GX747 edge it out.. No one > believed > > > it was cassette. > > > > > > > >Bala > > > > > > > >george valkov wrote: > > > >Pieter, > > > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. > It's > > > like asking what do > > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? > I'll > > > try anyway and > > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on > durability, > > > ease of maintenance, > > > >parts availability and support from the > company. > > > This may not have > > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, > but > > > trust me, today it > > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > > auto-calibration function, which > > > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > > > tape (of course, I'm > > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK > "A" - > > > proper tapes). Mine > > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz > on > > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox > do > > > not have discrete > > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the > same > > > casing, so off-tape > > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the > B-215 > > > and played back on > > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > > personal taste and > > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I > just > > > prefer the clean, > > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording > produced > > > by "European" decks > > > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > > > that, listening to a > > > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > > > qualify that - the > > > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly > calibrated, > > > which is becoming > > > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I > like > > > the Nak sound as > > > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels > untrue. > > > > > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > > > actually getting one > > > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. > I > > > hope it's in good > > > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who > got a > > > mint Dragon left to > > > >him. > > > > > > > >George > > > > > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > > > George, > > > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a > zx7 > > > because I couldn't in the > > > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel > sites > > > in one click. > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 23 11:33:30 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:33:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c5d7b4$d5526880$7300a8c0@Shaun> That's why I like having a study as well as a living room. That way I can justify more than one deck (well, actually three at the present time). I am still waiting for a Nak 550 to come up so that I try out the portable recording potential at my local church (it has a newly built pipe organ than I am longing to try to record). Which brings me to another question. Do I need a three microphone set up to adequately record a pipe organ in church? Any hints on microphone placement? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 23 October 2005 05:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Lovely Bala! Now I'm married, and it's prohibited for me to been a " Tape Decks Collector"..."Once was Once"...today I stay with ONE tape deck, my gifted Dragon...satisfies me! Thanks very heart fully for your cute advice..whatever...! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Alex, > > I have an A77 MkIV, and I think you should get one again. But I think >you >may not like the PR99, because it has a very cleaned up sound. Very nice >and clean, but lacks a little character when compared to the A77. You would >find it similiar to a CR7 being compared to a ZXL deck. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I really...was a R to >R fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" built in and later the >A-700 >+ >a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine "Brand New" from US >(At that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I >decided to "Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R tapes, and use only >cassettes, the sound of the Revox sound better for my taste; that the >Crown 822...but the later one has much bigger & better meters that the >Revox A-77...the last Revox that I own the very expensive A-700...the >meters...were OK for my eyes! Sound very..."European"...one! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also > >the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it > >has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to > >European ears.. > > > >Bala > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi George! > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint > > > Dragon left to > > > him.< > > > > > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really > > > i was very > > > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > > > > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > > > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > > > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also > > > agreed with you..that > > > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' > > > better that Nippon's ones! > > > > > > Be well George! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: george valkov > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > > > > > > > >Pieter, > > > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. It's > > > like asking what do > > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll > > > try anyway and > > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, > > > ease of maintenance, > > > >parts availability and support from the company. > > > This may not have > > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but > > > trust me, today it > > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > > auto-calibration function, which > > > >is unique and produces excellent results on any > > > tape (of course, I'm > > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - > > > proper tapes). Mine > > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on > > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do > > > not have discrete > > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same > > > casing, so off-tape > > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 > > > and played back on > > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > > personal taste and > > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just > > > prefer the clean, > > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced > > > by "European" decks > > > >like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > > > that, listening to a > > > >1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > > > qualify that - the > > > >1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, > > > which is becoming > > > >more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like > > > the Nak sound as > > > >well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. > > > > > > > >The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > > > actually getting one > > > >of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I > > > hope it's in good > > > >shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > > > mint Dragon left to > > > >him. > > > > > > > >George > > > > > > > >On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: > > > > > George, > > > > > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 > > > because I couldn't in the > > > > > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pieter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >===== > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Oct 23 12:51:06 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:51:06 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design Message-ID: <007801c5d7bf$abc580a0$0201a8c0@lan> Don't know what all the fuss is about ...I've never had much of a problem using them !!, but then I have grown up with and still retain various Naks, so will happily admit I am blind to their various idiosyncrasies. I also run a number of other tape makes, including Hitachi, Technics, Sansui, and Aiwa, all with their own ergonomic compromises such as similar looking eject below the power buttons, control layout,etc; it all adds to the fun of this hobby (for me, anyway). And, Nakamichi were not alone in making strange box sizes: mainstream Japanese components can vary from 420 - 450 width and height/depths all over the place!. Granted, serious Naks tend to be rather large, but talk to an owner of one of the older serious Akai's, or Hitachi's and you will not get much sympathy.. then there are the behemoths of the TEAC Z '000 series... Same goes for cassette well backlights....However, it must have been a concern to Nakamichi engineers at some stage towards the end of the cassette era, as even a lowly CR1 has a backlight. Having replaced the bulb on my CR5, I don't think it would be a big deal to use a similar layout on other Nakamichi's, possibly with a fibre optic feed off one of the existing bulbs to save wiring in a new one.. then all you need to do is to modify the backplate and install a perspex lense... but there does appear to be more space behind a Sankyo transport compared to the classic Nakamichi mechanism. My ONE beef ..with any tape deck.. is auto tape select. Cheers, Martin (Confirmed and certifiable nakaholic) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 23 14:13:57 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:13:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers In-Reply-To: <008301c5d7c1$dadffee0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <008301c5d7c1$dadffee0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <435B7E85.9010104@rcn.com> Try a tiny drop of WD-40 at the pivot points. Once clean and free, dry out and put a drop of oil. -- Ron Martin Short wrote: > I have a 481 on the bench at the moment, a "bin" rescue that was > 'scored' for parts, but once cleaned up it is basically in great > condition and functional apart from the fact that the pinch roller arms > are extremely stiff on their pivots, and so way too good to scrap. > Is there any way to free these up or remove and clean, that doesn't > involve a major strip down?, as I have no way of re-aligning heads etc > afterwards. > BTW,in light of recent posts, you cannot go past a 480 series for simple > ergonomics :o) > > Tx in advance, > > Martin > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 17:02:03 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers In-Reply-To: <008301c5d7c1$dadffee0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20051023150203.20458.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The pinch roller pivot grease is very hard to get out. Try soaking it with whatever solvent you have around (acetone, alcohol, MEK) and put it in play (with no tape) and move the pinch roller up and down to work the solvent in. You will need to repeat this over and over and over again until its disolved all the hardened grease. It could take a hour. Once cleaned relubricate with a light oil. --- Martin Short wrote: > I have a 481 on the bench at the moment, a "bin" rescue that was > 'scored' for parts, but once cleaned up it is basically in great > condition and functional apart from the fact that the pinch roller > arms are extremely stiff on their pivots, and so way too good to > scrap. > Is there any way to free these up or remove and clean, that > doesn't involve a major strip down?, as I have no way of > re-aligning heads etc afterwards. > BTW,in light of recent posts, you cannot go past a 480 series for > simple ergonomics :o) > > Tx in advance, > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 14:36:28 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <000901c5d7b4$d5526880$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20051023123629.42348.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Shaun, Well, my second setup in a room is more of a temple of Tape, with 18 Naks, about 6 other makes and 22 Reel to reels. Church Organ! That is so enviable, I love the sound of it, the way it envelopes you! Mike placement is certainly a question for Kermit. I'll hand the mic (no pun intended!) over to him :) Bala --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > That's why I like having a study as well as a living > room. That way I can > justify more than one deck (well, actually three at > the present time). I am > still waiting for a Nak 550 to come up so that I > try out the portable > recording potential at my local church (it has a > newly built pipe organ than > I am longing to try to record). > > Which brings me to another question. Do I need a > three microphone set up to > adequately record a pipe organ in church? Any hints > on microphone placement? > > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 October 2005 05:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Lovely Bala! > > Now I'm married, and it's prohibited for me to been > a " Tape Decks > Collector"..."Once was Once"...today I stay with ONE > tape deck, my gifted > Dragon...satisfies me! > > Thanks very heart fully for your cute > advice..whatever...! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Alex, > > > > I have an A77 MkIV, and I think you should get > one again. But I think > >you > >may not like the PR99, because it has a very > cleaned up sound. Very nice > >and clean, but lacks a little character when > compared to the A77. You would > > >find it similiar to a CR7 being compared to a ZXL > deck. > > > >Bala > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I > really...was a R to > >R fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" > built in and later the > >A-700 > >+ > >a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine > "Brand New" from US > >(At that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), > Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I > >decided to "Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R > tapes, and use only > >cassettes, the sound of the Revox sound better for > my taste; that the > >Crown 822...but the later one has much bigger & > better meters that the > >Revox A-77...the last Revox that I own the very > expensive A-700...the > >meters...were OK for my eyes! Sound > very..."European"...one! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and > also > > >the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because > it > > >has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to > > >European ears.. > > > > > >Bala > > > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > Hi George! > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > >We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > mint > > > > Dragon left to > > > > him.< > > > > > > > > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! > Really > > > > i was very > > > > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > > > > > > > > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' > two > > > > heads Tandberg TD-310, at > > > > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I > also > > > > agreed with you..that > > > > European made tape decks sound also to my > "Taste' > > > > better that Nippon's ones! > > > > > > > > Be well George! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: george valkov > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >Pieter, > > > > > > > > > >There is no easy answer to such a question. > It's > > > > like asking what do > > > > >you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW > ? I'll > > > > try anyway and > > > > >I'll try to keep it short. > > > > > > > > > >I think the Revoxes win hands down on > durability, > > > > ease of maintenance, > > > > >parts availability and support from the > company. > > > > This may not have > > > > >been a great advantage over Naks 10 years > ago, but > > > > trust me, today it > > > > >is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > > > > auto-calibration function, which > > > > >is unique and produces excellent results on > any > > > > tape (of course, I'm > > > > >not talking voice-recording quality like TDK > "A" - > > > > proper tapes). Mine > > > > >showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, > 20-22kHz on > > > > TDK SA and 20-24kHz > > > > >on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, > Revox do > > > > not have discrete > > > > >rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the > same > > > > casing, so off-tape > > > > >monitoring of recordings suffers. > > > > > > > > > >I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the > B-215 > > > > and played back on > > > > >the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > > > > personal taste and > > > > >preference, so please don't flame me guys. I > just > > > > prefer the clean, > > > > >crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording > produced > > > > by "European" decks > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 23 16:40:10 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics In-Reply-To: <20051023023124.78055.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051023144010.513.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The problem here is the mechanism that could jam in the bulb. I'd put some white LEDs in the cover each sides of the window looking at the mirror thing. --- Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Well guys even the 1000ZXL uses the silver sticker > as > a 'backlight' substitute. I may eventually mill a > square slot and have a small green bulb fitted with > a > translucent plastic piece in front. > > Bala > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > Fred: > > I had just mentioned that, on my ZX-7 and LX-5, > > although they aren't > > opposite each other. And, how about that cheap, > > green sticker they use as a > > poor substitue for a tape back light? Does your > CR-3 > > use that too? > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:43 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] nak ergonomics > > > > > > Well, if we're cataloging the design faults of Nak > > ergonomics, here's > > my pet peeve (beyond the mono-colored meters I > > griped about a few > > months back): On my CR-3 the eject button is above > > the power button, > > on my ZX7 they're the opposite. As a result, I can > > never remember > > which is which (my decks are one atop the other) > and > > have to peer at > > the writing. Any good designer of computer > > interfaces (e.g., not a > > Microsoft designer) will tell you that consistency > > is as much a part > > of usability (i.e. ergonomics) as are layout and > > legibility. Given > > the gripes on the board of late, it looks like Nak > > scores a 0 in all > > three categories! > > > > Oh well, I'm still over-joyed by the music these > > machines can make, > > so I can live with their dubious ergonomics. > > > > cheers, > > Fred > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > BEGIN:VCARD > > VERSION:2.1 > > N:Hoag;Doane > > FN:Doane Hoag > > ORG:Doane Design > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > tates > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited > > States of America > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > END:VCARD > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 23 16:49:57 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi: Brilliant engineering, stupid design In-Reply-To: <007801c5d7bf$abc580a0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20051023144957.70689.qmail@web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Toshiba PC-G22 has a great layout IMO. It sucks tho. --- Martin Short a écrit : > Don't know what all the fuss is about ...I've never > had much of a problem using them !!, but then I have > grown up with and still retain various Naks, so will > happily admit I am blind to their various > idiosyncrasies. I also run a number of other tape > makes, including Hitachi, Technics, Sansui, and > Aiwa, all with their own ergonomic compromises such > as similar looking eject below the power buttons, > control layout,etc; it all adds to the fun of this > hobby (for me, anyway). And, Nakamichi were not > alone in making strange box sizes: mainstream > Japanese components can vary from 420 - 450 width > and height/depths all over the place!. Granted, > serious Naks tend to be rather large, but talk to an > owner of one of the older serious Akai's, or > Hitachi's and you will not get much sympathy.. then > there are the behemoths of the TEAC Z '000 series... > Same goes for cassette well backlights....However, > it must have been a concern to Nakamichi engineers > at some stage towards the end of the cassette era, > as even a lowly CR1 has a backlight. Having replaced > the bulb on my CR5, I don't think it would be a big > deal to use a similar layout on other Nakamichi's, > possibly with a fibre optic feed off one of the > existing bulbs to save wiring in a new one.. then > all you need to do is to modify the backplate and > install a perspex lense... but there does appear to > be more space behind a Sankyo transport compared to > the classic Nakamichi mechanism. > > My ONE beef ..with any tape deck.. is auto tape > select. > > Cheers, > > Martin > (Confirmed and certifiable nakaholic) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://mail.yahoo.fr From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 23 18:38:55 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:38:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member Message-ID: Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. Thank you, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Oct 23 20:23:23 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:23:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <000901c5d7b4$d5526880$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000901c5d7b4$d5526880$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <435BD51B.3050905@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > That's why I like having a study as well as a living room. That way I can > justify more than one deck (well, actually three at the present time). I am > still waiting for a Nak 550 to come up so that I try out the portable > recording potential at my local church (it has a newly built pipe organ than > I am longing to try to record). > > Which brings me to another question. Do I need a three microphone set up to > adequately record a pipe organ in church? Any hints on microphone placement? > I'd recommend the three-mic placement technique described in Nakamichi's booklet, "The Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual" as ideal for recordiing pipe organ! The booklet may be downloaded at this web address, if you do not have it -- http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf If I remember correctly, pipe organ is one of the examples shown in the booklet. N-Joy! > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 October 2005 05:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Lovely Bala! > > Now I'm married, and it's prohibited for me to been a " Tape Decks > Collector"..."Once was Once"...today I stay with ONE tape deck, my gifted > Dragon...satisfies me! > > Thanks very heart fully for your cute advice..whatever...! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Hi Alex, >> >> I have an A77 MkIV, and I think you should get one again. But I think >>you >>may not like the PR99, because it has a very cleaned up sound. Very nice >>and clean, but lacks a little character when compared to the A77. You would > > >>find it similiar to a CR7 being compared to a ZXL deck. >> >>Bala >> >>Alex Cozac wrote: >>Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I really...was a R to >>R fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" built in and later the >>A-700 >>+ >>a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine "Brand New" from US >>(At that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I >>decided to "Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R tapes, and use only >>cassettes, the sound of the Revox sound better for my taste; that the >>Crown 822...but the later one has much bigger & better meters that the >>Revox A-77...the last Revox that I own the very expensive A-700...the >>meters...were OK for my eyes! Sound very..."European"...one! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also >>>the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it >>>has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to >>>European ears.. >>> >>>Bala >>> >>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi George! >>>> >>>>You wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint >>>> >>>>Dragon left to >>>>him.< >>>> >>>>I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really >>>>i was very >>>>lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >>>> >>>>BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two >>>>heads Tandberg TD-310, at >>>>Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also >>>>agreed with you..that >>>>European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' >>>>better that Nippon's ones! >>>> >>>>Be well George! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: george valkov >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >>>>> >>>>>Pieter, >>>>> >>>>>There is no easy answer to such a question. It's >>>> >>>>like asking what do >>>> >>>>>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll >>>> >>>>try anyway and >>>> >>>>>I'll try to keep it short. >>>>> >>>>>I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, >>>> >>>>ease of maintenance, >>>> >>>>>parts availability and support from the company. >>>> >>>>This may not have >>>> >>>>>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but >>>> >>>>trust me, today it >>>> >>>>>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone >>>> >>>>auto-calibration function, which >>>> >>>>>is unique and produces excellent results on any >>>> >>>>tape (of course, I'm >>>> >>>>>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - >>>> >>>>proper tapes). Mine >>>> >>>>>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on >>>> >>>>TDK SA and 20-24kHz >>>> >>>>>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do >>>> >>>>not have discrete >>>> >>>>>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same >>>> >>>>casing, so off-tape >>>> >>>>>monitoring of recordings suffers. >>>>> >>>>>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 >>>> >>>>and played back on >>>> >>>>>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of >>>> >>>>personal taste and >>>> >>>>>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just >>>> >>>>prefer the clean, >>>> >>>>>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced >>>> >>>>by "European" decks >>>> >>>>>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said >>>> >>>>that, listening to a >>>> >>>>>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to >>>> >>>>qualify that - the >>>> >>>>>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, >>>> >>>>which is becoming >>>> >>>>>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like >>>> >>>>the Nak sound as >>>> >>>>>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. >>>>> >>>>>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to >>>> >>>>actually getting one >>>> >>>>>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I >>>> >>>>hope it's in good >>>> >>>>>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a >>>> >>>>mint Dragon left to >>>> >>>>>him. >>>>> >>>>>George >>>>> >>>>>On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>George, >>>>>>What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 >>>> >>>>because I couldn't in the >>>> >>>>>>80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Pieter >>>>>> >>>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>>Register your Nak today! >>>> >>>>http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>>Naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>>mailinglist >>>> >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>> >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>Register your Nak today! >>>>http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >>>http://farechase.yahoo.com >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>=== >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Oct 23 21:08:07 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:08:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435BDF97.5050704@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, Colin Marsh wrote: > Hi to you all. > For run of the mill recording I > wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot > fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette > blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for > that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. This is a great idea! -- and just what the record labels do. Now you've got me looking for a cassette winder, empty shells and a bulk cassette pancake. Great job! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 23 21:53:48 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:53:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c5d80b$7d3ae9e0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. Thank you, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 23 22:01:45 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:01:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <435BD51B.3050905@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001301c5d80c$996075d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Very useful. Thanks for that. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 23 October 2005 19:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > That's why I like having a study as well as a living room. That way I > can justify more than one deck (well, actually three at the present > time). I am still waiting for a Nak 550 to come up so that I try out > the portable recording potential at my local church (it has a newly > built pipe organ than I am longing to try to record). > > Which brings me to another question. Do I need a three microphone set > up to adequately record a pipe organ in church? Any hints on > microphone placement? > I'd recommend the three-mic placement technique described in Nakamichi's booklet, "The Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual" as ideal for recordiing pipe organ! The booklet may be downloaded at this web address, if you do not have it -- http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf If I remember correctly, pipe organ is one of the examples shown in the booklet. N-Joy! > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 October 2005 05:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Lovely Bala! > > Now I'm married, and it's prohibited for me to been a " Tape Decks > Collector"..."Once was Once"...today I stay with ONE tape deck, my gifted > Dragon...satisfies me! > > Thanks very heart fully for your cute advice..whatever...! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Hi Alex, >> >> I have an A77 MkIV, and I think you should get one again. But I think >>you >>may not like the PR99, because it has a very cleaned up sound. Very nice >>and clean, but lacks a little character when compared to the A77. You would > > >>find it similiar to a CR7 being compared to a ZXL deck. >> >>Bala >> >>Alex Cozac wrote: >>Yes you are 100% right...near 40 years ago, when I really...was a R to >>R fan, I own two Revox A-77 Mk-3 with Dolby "B" built in and later the >>A-700 >>+ >>a Crown 822. When I acquired my first Nak machine "Brand New" from US >>(At that era...ALL were Multi-Voltage units), Tri-Tracer 1000/2... I >>decided to "Go Away" or leave for ever the R to R tapes, and use only >>cassettes, the sound of the Revox sound better for my taste; that the >>Crown 822...but the later one has much bigger & better meters that the >>Revox A-77...the last Revox that I own the very expensive A-700...the >>meters...were OK for my eyes! Sound very..."European"...one! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Then Alex, you would love the Revox decks, and also >>>the McIntosh MR77. I also like the 670ZX because it >>>has a more tamer sound and sounds more suited to >>>European ears.. >>> >>>Bala >>> >>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi George! >>>> >>>>You wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint >>>> >>>>Dragon left to >>>>him.< >>>> >>>>I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! Really >>>>i was very >>>>lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >>>> >>>>BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two >>>>heads Tandberg TD-310, at >>>>Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also >>>>agreed with you..that >>>>European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' >>>>better that Nippon's ones! >>>> >>>>Be well George! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: george valkov >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >>>>> >>>>>Pieter, >>>>> >>>>>There is no easy answer to such a question. It's >>>> >>>>like asking what do >>>> >>>>>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? I'll >>>> >>>>try anyway and >>>> >>>>>I'll try to keep it short. >>>>> >>>>>I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, >>>> >>>>ease of maintenance, >>>> >>>>>parts availability and support from the company. >>>> >>>>This may not have >>>> >>>>>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but >>>> >>>>trust me, today it >>>> >>>>>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone >>>> >>>>auto-calibration function, which >>>> >>>>>is unique and produces excellent results on any >>>> >>>>tape (of course, I'm >>>> >>>>>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - >>>> >>>>proper tapes). Mine >>>> >>>>>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on >>>> >>>>TDK SA and 20-24kHz >>>> >>>>>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do >>>> >>>>not have discrete >>>> >>>>>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same >>>> >>>>casing, so off-tape >>>> >>>>>monitoring of recordings suffers. >>>>> >>>>>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 >>>> >>>>and played back on >>>> >>>>>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of >>>> >>>>personal taste and >>>> >>>>>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just >>>> >>>>prefer the clean, >>>> >>>>>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced >>>> >>>>by "European" decks >>>> >>>>>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said >>>> >>>>that, listening to a >>>> >>>>>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to >>>> >>>>qualify that - the >>>> >>>>>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, >>>> >>>>which is becoming >>>> >>>>>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I like >>>> >>>>the Nak sound as >>>> >>>>>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. >>>>> >>>>>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to >>>> >>>>actually getting one >>>> >>>>>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I >>>> >>>>hope it's in good >>>> >>>>>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a >>>> >>>>mint Dragon left to >>>> >>>>>him. >>>>> >>>>>George >>>>> >>>>>On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>George, >>>>>>What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 >>>> >>>>because I couldn't in the >>>> >>>>>>80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Pieter >>>>>> >>>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>>Register your Nak today! >>>> >>>>http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>>Naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>>mailinglist >>>> >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>> >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>Register your Nak today! >>>>http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >>>http://farechase.yahoo.com >>>========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>===== >>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>==== >> >>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>==== >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>= >>=== >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 24 05:03:28 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:03:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Member Message-ID: Hi, Mike, and welcome. I'm fairly new here myself, but have received a lot of help... great group here. Doane From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 24 05:10:53 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:10:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? Message-ID: I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM manufactured by Nakamichi? 40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: "[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, November 1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year after Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss replaced the Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, to make the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, culminating in Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate statement in the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death knell was sounded. In the case of the cassette, it was sounded by the digital DAT. Doane -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 10:13:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051024081323.52215.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was it? I still think cassette, if done right, sounds better. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM manufactured by Nakamichi? 40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: "[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, November 1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year after Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss replaced the Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, to make the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, culminating in Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate statement in the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death knell was sounded. In the case of the cassette, it was sounded by the digital DAT. 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I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast > (weather wet and windy at present!). > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down > transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on > board US power supply with a UK one? > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Colin Marsh > *Sent:* 23 October 2005 17:39 > *To:* Nak > *Subject:* [naktalk] New Member > > Hi to you all. > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner > of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I > decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in > "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and > calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I > can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment > in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape > stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with > them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of > unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now > rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots > 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and > I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own > cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a > cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette > blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 > for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. > > Thank you, > > Mike > ** > */__/* > *__* From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Oct 24 10:22:20 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:22:20 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics References: <20051021134502.90617.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011901c5d874$0e58be30$0801a8c0@TG> Hi Bala, When I bought my H1, also got an H11 from the ebay in Germany. The seller of H11 told me that he had owned a H1 and didnt want to sell it. I owned my H1 from another source and shipped both to Turkey. Many great differences between two decks. H1 is second generation and still prime time machine; H11 third generation machine lacking many features. Head block, mechanism, and many of the electronics inside (especailly famous Studer Motors differ a lot). H1 has very similar features to B215 just missing acouple of functions. H11 still nice looking machine; with nice db display with digits, having the Revox's traditional optical attraction. Good Nakking!!! Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > Hi Tayfur, > > I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? > > Bala > > --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > >> Yes Folks, >> >> >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned >> Nakamichi made great machines >> but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now good >> to hear favorable ideas. >> (Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 >> decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - >> Dragon (off-specs)) >> >> Either thanks to its top equalization (not needing >> HXPro etc), or topology >> of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded tapes >> somewhow not true with >> the source (say CD) when i play both and compare >> source/tape. >> >> Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner of >> H1 (sister of B215). >> >> One way or another; this is the personal taste! More >> dynamics than fidelity, >> its Nakamichi! >> >> My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by Stephan >> Sank, I'd love to have >> this response with mines ; >> "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my >> measurements have yielded >> "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA & >> MA tapes. But the relly >> impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB @ >> 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. >> That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." >> >> Good Naking! >> Tayfur >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> > Hi George! >> > >> > You wrote: >> > >> >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a mint >> Dragon left to >> > him.< >> > >> > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! >> Really i was very >> > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >> > >> > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two >> heads Tandberg TD-310, at >> > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I also >> agreed with you..that >> > European made tape decks sound also to my "Taste' >> better that Nippon's >> > ones! >> > >> > Be well George! >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>From: george valkov >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >> >> >> >>Pieter, >> >> >> >>There is no easy answer to such a question. It's >> like asking what do >> >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? >> I'll try anyway and >> >>I'll try to keep it short. >> >> >> >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on durability, >> ease of maintenance, >> >>parts availability and support from the company. >> This may not have >> >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, but >> trust me, today it >> >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone >> auto-calibration function, which >> >>is unique and produces excellent results on any >> tape (of course, I'm >> >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK "A" - >> proper tapes). Mine >> >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz on >> TDK SA and 20-24kHz >> >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox do >> not have discrete >> >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the same >> casing, so off-tape >> >>monitoring of recordings suffers. >> >> >> >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the B-215 >> and played back on >> >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of >> personal taste and >> >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I just >> prefer the clean, >> >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording produced >> by "European" decks >> >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said >> that, listening to a >> >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to >> qualify that - the >> >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly calibrated, >> which is becoming >> >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I >> like the Nak sound as >> >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels untrue. >> >> >> >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to >> actually getting one >> >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I >> hope it's in good >> >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a >> mint Dragon left to >> >>him. >> >> >> >>George >> >> >> >>On 10/20/05, Pieter Thole wrote: >> >> > George, >> >> > What do you think of Naks (I just bought a zx7 >> because I couldn't in >> >> > the >> >> > 80's) in comparison with ReVox for instance. >> >> > >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> >> > Pieter >> >> > >> >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - >> Release Date: 21.10.2005 >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21.10.2005 > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:13:54 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:13:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? Message-ID: Hi Doane! I want to recall you that once Fisher released a cassette recorder, if I'm not wrong named 80 with Nakamichi electronics/transport inside...also a Nakamichi OEM product! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:10:53 -0700 > >I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM manufactured >by Nakamichi? > >40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: >"[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks >Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, November >1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity >performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year after >Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise >reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss replaced >the >Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, to >make >the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, culminating in >Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate statement in >the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death >knell was sounded. In the case of the cassette, it was sounded by the >digital DAT. > >Doane ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From andrewspencer at eircom.net Mon Oct 24 15:04:47 2005 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:04:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member References: <000e01c5d80b$7d3ae9e0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <006d01c5d89b$832b2320$6a01a8c0@Manepa> MessageShaun I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds fantastic. B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck serviced at the same time! The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. Thank you, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 24 15:04:35 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:04:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <435CD8BF.5070000@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c5d89b$7cac3c00$7300a8c0@Shaun> No, I am not unhappy, just wanted to tidy things up and reduce the bulk behind the rack! Also I am contemplating a UK based US power supplied sub woofer which would be placed on the opposite side of the room to the Nak, so could not share the same step-down transformer. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 24 October 2005 13:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Essentially, you need to replace your current 'US' power transformer (P/N OB50030A) with the 'Other' power transformer (P/N OB50032A), wired for 230VAC. I imagine these are not easy to find and, if you're lucky enough to locate someone with a parts unit, not cheap. Why are you unhappy with your current setup? -- Ron Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Welcome to our home! > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, > like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast > (weather wet and windy at present!). > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down > transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on > board US power supply with a UK one? > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Colin Marsh > *Sent:* 23 October 2005 17:39 > *To:* Nak > *Subject:* [naktalk] New Member > > Hi to you all. > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner > of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I > decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in > "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and > calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I > can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment > in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape > stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with > them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of > unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now > rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots > 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and > I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own > cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a > cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette > blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 > for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. > > Thank you, > > Mike > ** > */__/* > *__* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 24 15:25:48 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:25:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <006d01c5d89b$832b2320$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <002001c5d89e$7364b7a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Andy, At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider whether it is worth it. At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum sealed) in a rash moment!. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds fantastic. B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck serviced at the same time! The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. Thank you, Mike _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Mon Oct 24 16:06:26 2005 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:06:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member References: <002001c5d89e$7364b7a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <009201c5d8a4$1fea1d80$6a01a8c0@Manepa> MessageShaun When I got divorced 15 years ago I had to say goodbye to my Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV with a Stilton Bodied ATOC9 cartridge together with Audio Innovations Amps. Before I sold the turntable I recorded approx. 200 of my favourite albums on my Nakamichi CR3 using TDK ARX and SA tapes. I used to occasionaly get these out to play on my CR3 but not often enough. About three months ago I was lucky to win an auction on ebay for a CR7A which cost me $335 plus $50 postage and a further $100 in Customs Duty and VAT. You should have seen the smile on my face when this mint CR7 arrived here in Ireland, looking unused. The smile got bigger when I got this home and put on one of my old tapes and adjusted the azimuth slightly to fine tune the playback. The reproduction was fantastic and put the CD versions of the albums to shame even though these were played on a Tag McLaren CDT 20R T2L transport through the 192/24 Dacs on my Tag McLaren AV32R Pre/Processor. My Project 2.9c Classic turntable with Sumiko BPS SE can't even come close to the cassette recordings made 15 years ago, so I stick with the CR7 on a daily basis. Since purchasing the CR7 I have also picked up two more Nakamichi Cassette Decks all in mint condition. A Cassette Deck 1 and a Cassette Deck 2 complete my collection! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Andy, At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider whether it is worth it. At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum sealed) in a rash moment!. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds fantastic. B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck serviced at the same time! The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 24 16:36:01 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:36:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <000e01c5d80b$7d3ae9e0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: MessageShaun: I think replacing the xformer shouldn't be very difficult, you could probably do it yourself.. how much is the xforer? You may have to also replace the big cap on the input primary side though, not sure about that. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:54 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. Thank you, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Oct 24 16:57:20 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:57:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: that's interesting, but Fisher? ...I find it hard to believe it sounded that great, or did it? Advent was another story, the 200 and 201 were really amazing. Actually, Henry Kloss was a pretty amazing engineer, inventor, and contributed a lot of the audio ideas we use today. The Advent 201 was the first deck with Dolby at the start of the Nakamichi line, from what I understand. Do you have one in your collection? I've seen them on Ebay, but they always look like they need a lot of work. It was a peculiar design with the one VU meter for both channels and a switch to go back and forth! I did own the AR1 speakers (first acoustic suspension) when they first came out. No one could believe their small size. There's a good memorial to him here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/kloss_e.html Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? Hi Doane! I want to recall you that once Fisher released a cassette recorder, if I'm not wrong named 80 with Nakamichi electronics/transport inside...also a Nakamichi OEM product! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:10:53 -0700 > >I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM manufactured >by Nakamichi? > >40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: >"[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks >Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, November >1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity >performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year after >Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise >reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss replaced >the >Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, to >make >the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, culminating in >Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate statement in >the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death >knell was sounded. 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And I never knew how much the speed of the PT TOO wobbled until I stuck a strobe disc on it to test it's speed, nor that it ran too fast ... or (until I rang Pink Triangle and they admitted it) that MOST of them ran too fast or too slow ... because of poor quality control over the manufacture of the drive gear and the turntable platter between which the belt is stretched. Now you have a turntable that can do more justice to your CR7 !! <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 15:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun When I got divorced 15 years ago I had to say goodbye to my Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV with a Stilton Bodied ATOC9 cartridge together with Audio Innovations Amps. Before I sold the turntable I recorded approx. 200 of my favourite albums on my Nakamichi CR3 using TDK ARX and SA tapes. I used to occasionaly get these out to play on my CR3 but not often enough. About three months ago I was lucky to win an auction on ebay for a CR7A which cost me $335 plus $50 postage and a further $100 in Customs Duty and VAT. You should have seen the smile on my face when this mint CR7 arrived here in Ireland, looking unused. The smile got bigger when I got this home and put on one of my old tapes and adjusted the azimuth slightly to fine tune the playback. The reproduction was fantastic and put the CD versions of the albums to shame even though these were played on a Tag McLaren CDT 20R T2L transport through the 192/24 Dacs on my Tag McLaren AV32R Pre/Processor. My Project 2.9c Classic turntable with Sumiko BPS SE can't even come close to the cassette recordings made 15 years ago, so I stick with the CR7 on a daily basis. Since purchasing the CR7 I have also picked up two more Nakamichi Cassette Decks all in mint condition. A Cassette Deck 1 and a Cassette Deck 2 complete my collection! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Andy, At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider whether it is worth it. At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum sealed) in a rash moment!. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds fantastic. B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck serviced at the same time! The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 17:37:39 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <011901c5d874$0e58be30$0801a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20051024153740.66191.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Taifur, I didn't get the remote for the H11, so I am missing many funtions for this deck. But it has a very nice sound and it's very interesting to listen to. I may consider selling it by year end though Bala --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Hi Bala, > > When I bought my H1, also got an H11 from the ebay > in Germany. The seller of > H11 told me that he had owned a H1 and didnt want to > sell it. I owned my H1 > from another source and shipped both to Turkey. > > Many great differences between two decks. H1 is > second generation and still > prime time machine; H11 third generation machine > lacking many features. Head > block, mechanism, and many of the electronics inside > (especailly famous > Studer Motors differ a lot). H1 has very similar > features to B215 just > missing acouple of functions. > > H11 still nice looking machine; with nice db display > with digits, having the > Revox's traditional optical attraction. > > Good Nakking!!! > Tayfur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > Hi Tayfur, > > > > I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? > > > > Bala > > > > --- Tayfur Gunay > wrote: > > > >> Yes Folks, > >> > >> >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned > >> Nakamichi made great machines > >> but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now > good > >> to hear favorable ideas. > >> (Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 > >> decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - > >> Dragon (off-specs)) > >> > >> Either thanks to its top equalization (not > needing > >> HXPro etc), or topology > >> of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded > tapes > >> somewhow not true with > >> the source (say CD) when i play both and compare > >> source/tape. > >> > >> Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner > of > >> H1 (sister of B215). > >> > >> One way or another; this is the personal taste! > More > >> dynamics than fidelity, > >> its Nakamichi! > >> > >> My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by > Stephan > >> Sank, I'd love to have > >> this response with mines ; > >> "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my > >> measurements have yielded > >> "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA > & > >> MA tapes. But the relly > >> impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB > @ > >> 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. > >> That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." > >> > >> Good Naking! > >> Tayfur > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Alex Cozac" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM > >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >> > >> > >> > Hi George! > >> > > >> > You wrote: > >> > > >> >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a > mint > >> Dragon left to > >> > him.< > >> > > >> > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! > >> Really i was very > >> > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > >> > > >> > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two > >> heads Tandberg TD-310, at > >> > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I > also > >> agreed with you..that > >> > European made tape decks sound also to my > "Taste' > >> better that Nippon's > >> > ones! > >> > > >> > Be well George! > >> > > >> > ALEX! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: george valkov > >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >> >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 > >> >> > >> >>Pieter, > >> >> > >> >>There is no easy answer to such a question. > It's > >> like asking what do > >> >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? > >> I'll try anyway and > >> >>I'll try to keep it short. > >> >> > >> >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on > durability, > >> ease of maintenance, > >> >>parts availability and support from the > company. > >> This may not have > >> >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, > but > >> trust me, today it > >> >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone > >> auto-calibration function, which > >> >>is unique and produces excellent results on any > >> tape (of course, I'm > >> >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK > "A" - > >> proper tapes). Mine > >> >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz > on > >> TDK SA and 20-24kHz > >> >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox > do > >> not have discrete > >> >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the > same > >> casing, so off-tape > >> >>monitoring of recordings suffers. > >> >> > >> >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the > B-215 > >> and played back on > >> >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of > >> personal taste and > >> >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I > just > >> prefer the clean, > >> >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording > produced > >> by "European" decks > >> >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said > >> that, listening to a > >> >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to > >> qualify that - the > >> >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly > calibrated, > >> which is becoming > >> >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I > >> like the Nak sound as > >> >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels > untrue. > >> >> > >> >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to > >> actually getting one > >> >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. > I > >> hope it's in good > >> >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who > got a > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Oct 24 18:57:07 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:57:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435D1263.7020600@cox.net> Alex- There were three Fisher models which used the Nak OEM transport. I believe they were RC65, RC70, and RC80, but I might have those numbers wrong. The RC80 had dolby, the RC70 didn't. I think the 65 might have been playback only. They had dual meters (1 meter body with two opposing needles). I also believe that the heads and motor were not Nakamichi supplied, but the rest of the mechanics were. For their time they worked pretty well. For a while I had an RC70 mounted on the hump between the two bucket seats of my 66 Corvair feeding into a Fosgate PR2100 and some cobbled together speakers. You know, I think I still have the Fosgate somewhere in a junk box. Tim Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Doane! > > I want to recall you that once Fisher released a cassette recorder, if > I'm not wrong named 80 with Nakamichi electronics/transport > inside...also a Nakamichi OEM product! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: "Doane Hoag" >> Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >> Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? >> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:10:53 -0700 >> >> I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM >> manufactured >> by Nakamichi? >> >> 40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: >> "[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette >> decks >> Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, >> November >> 1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity >> performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year >> after >> Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise >> reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss >> replaced the >> Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, >> to make >> the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, >> culminating in >> Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate >> statement in >> the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death >> knell was sounded. In the case of the cassette, it was sounded by the >> digital DAT. >> >> Doane > > > >> << doane.vcf >> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 24 18:42:08 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:42:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? Message-ID: Hi Doane! I once opened such Fisher cassette deck, and saw Nakamichi engraved inside the electronics, what about the heads...really I can't recall today, was during middle 70ties, NO I newer own any Advent cassette deck, only for a few months the External Dolby B noise reduction unit...was at that era an a good one! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:57:20 -0700 > > >Alex: that's interesting, but Fisher? ...I find it hard to believe it >sounded that great, or did it? > >Advent was another story, the 200 and 201 were really amazing. Actually, >Henry Kloss was a pretty amazing engineer, inventor, and contributed a lot >of the audio ideas we use today. The Advent 201 was the first deck with >Dolby at the start of the Nakamichi line, from what I understand. >Do you have one in your collection? I've seen them on Ebay, but they always >look like they need a lot of work. It was a peculiar design with the one VU >meter for both channels and a switch to go back and forth! >I did own the AR1 speakers (first acoustic suspension) when they first came >out. No one could believe their small size. > >There's a good memorial to him here: >http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/kloss_e.html > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:14 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? > > >Hi Doane! > >I want to recall you that once Fisher released a cassette recorder, if I'm >not wrong named 80 with Nakamichi electronics/transport inside...also a >Nakamichi OEM product! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > >Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? > >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:10:53 -0700 > > > >I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM >manufactured > >by Nakamichi? > > > >40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: > >"[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks > >Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, >November > >1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity > >performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year >after > >Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise > >reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss replaced > >the > >Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, to > >make > >the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, culminating in > >Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate statement >in > >the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death > >knell was sounded. In the case of the cassette, it was sounded by the > >digital DAT. > > > >Doane > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 24 20:18:54 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:18:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? Message-ID: Superbly recalling my memory! Yes I dismantle the RC80, that's is the model...Piano push on off buttons...Yea!!!! Thank you so much! ALEX! >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:57:07 -0400 > >Alex- > >There were three Fisher models which used the Nak OEM transport. I believe >they were RC65, RC70, and RC80, but I might have those numbers wrong. The >RC80 had dolby, the RC70 didn't. I think the 65 might have been playback >only. They had dual meters (1 meter body with two opposing needles). I >also believe that the heads and motor were not Nakamichi supplied, but the >rest of the mechanics were. For their time they worked pretty well. For a >while I had an RC70 mounted on the hump between the two bucket seats of my >66 Corvair feeding into a Fosgate PR2100 and some cobbled together >speakers. You know, I think I still have the Fosgate somewhere in a junk >box. > >Tim > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >>Hi Doane! >> >>I want to recall you that once Fisher released a cassette recorder, if I'm >>not wrong named 80 with Nakamichi electronics/transport inside...also a >>Nakamichi OEM product! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Doane Hoag" >>>Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >>>Subject: [naktalk] Is it Live or Recorded? >>>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:10:53 -0700 >>> >>>I don't know if any of you realize that the Advent 201 was OEM >>>manufactured >>>by Nakamichi? >>> >>>40 years of Stereophile: The Hot 100 Products: >>>"[98 & 99 out of 100] (tie): Advent 201 & Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks >>>Stereophile reviews: Advent, Spring 1973 (Vol.3 No.4); Nakamichi, >>>November >>>1984 (Vol.7 No.6). Henry Kloss's first attempt to wring high-fidelity >>>performance from a format introduced (as a dictation medium!) a year >>>after >>>Stereophile's debut was the Advent 200, which combined Dolby-B noise >>>reduction with a Nakamichi transport. But it wasn't until Kloss replaced >>>the >>>Nakamichi with an industrial mechanism from 3M's Wollensak division, to >>>make >>>the Model 201, that he was satisfied. The rest is history, culminating in >>>Nakamichi's own Dragon. As so often is the case, this ultimate statement >>>in >>>the medium was introduced just a few years before the medium's own death >>>knell was sounded. In the case of the cassette, it was sounded by the >>>digital DAT. >>> >>>Doane >> >> >> >>><< doane.vcf >> >> >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at comcast.net Mon Oct 24 20:45:35 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:45:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] email sent to audiotalk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435D2BCF.4050305@comcast.net> I sent a great email to audiotalk. If you do not belong, go to naks.com and sign up. Brien From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 24 23:36:13 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:36:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <009201c5d8a4$1fea1d80$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <002901c5d8e2$f6169210$7300a8c0@Shaun> Andy, Do I take it then that you have remained single or do you have an understanding partner? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 15:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun When I got divorced 15 years ago I had to say goodbye to my Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV with a Stilton Bodied ATOC9 cartridge together with Audio Innovations Amps. Before I sold the turntable I recorded approx. 200 of my favourite albums on my Nakamichi CR3 using TDK ARX and SA tapes. I used to occasionaly get these out to play on my CR3 but not often enough. About three months ago I was lucky to win an auction on ebay for a CR7A which cost me $335 plus $50 postage and a further $100 in Customs Duty and VAT. You should have seen the smile on my face when this mint CR7 arrived here in Ireland, looking unused. The smile got bigger when I got this home and put on one of my old tapes and adjusted the azimuth slightly to fine tune the playback. The reproduction was fantastic and put the CD versions of the albums to shame even though these were played on a Tag McLaren CDT 20R T2L transport through the 192/24 Dacs on my Tag McLaren AV32R Pre/Processor. My Project 2.9c Classic turntable with Sumiko BPS SE can't even come close to the cassette recordings made 15 years ago, so I stick with the CR7 on a daily basis. Since purchasing the CR7 I have also picked up two more Nakamichi Cassette Decks all in mint condition. A Cassette Deck 1 and a Cassette Deck 2 complete my collection! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Andy, At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider whether it is worth it. At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum sealed) in a rash moment!. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds fantastic. B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck serviced at the same time! The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Oct 24 23:56:41 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:56:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <009201c5d8a4$1fea1d80$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: Hi Andy, Congratulations on your new CR-7. I am especially interested in what you said because you are one of the few on Naktalk who uses the AV32R. I also use the AV32R. Incidentally, if you are listening to the cassettes via the tape loop, you do know that the signal undergoes ADC then DAC before it is sent to the power amps? Only way to avoid this is to route it via the bypass. As to whether the analogue sound is better than CD, I am of a different opinion to you :-) From msyoder at border.net Sun Oct 23 19:01:39 2005 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:01:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics and analogue tape In-Reply-To: <200510231625.j9NGOuZi026868@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've been reading with interest the discussion of the merits of analogue versus digital (including the advantages of LPs over CD's). I agree that analogue is better. To me, the operative adjective is "cohesive" when describing the sound of analogue recordings. As far as turntable goes, I agree that even something as medium-tiered as the Rega P3 and an Elys Cartridge is better than a comparably priced CD player. It is true that the dynamic range is less, but the overall performance "hangs together" better. I also notice as a composer who records his own music that recording to analogue tape (Tascam, Sony, and Nakamichi) generally produces better results than recording to DAT or live to CD-R. My question is this: Is there an explanation, theoretical or empirical, of why the alignment of ferric oxide particles on tape via the magnetic tape heads produces a more cohesive sound than the 1's and 0's of digital? It strikes me that analogue tape produces a more seamless, cohesive sound. Has anyone written a paper on this, or perhaps there is a posting on a web site that someone knows of that addresses this? If you are thinking to yourself "this guy's question is strange. . .he doesn't know very much," you would be correct. I only understand the most fundamental basics of the physics of analogue recording on tape. I think that a discussion of why it sounds better would help me to add to my understanding of the principles of analogue recording. Note that I don't really need such an explanation of why a good turntable/arm/cartridge setup sounds better than digital reproduction of music. This I already understand pretty well. Thanks to all. Cheers, Michael Yoder http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Oct 25 10:34:45 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:34:45 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics References: <20051024153740.66191.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c5d93e$f46ed0b0$0801a8c0@TG> Hi again Bala, I have the remote as well but have never had the chance to operate it as it works thru the whole system/via the amp. (or the seller sent me such type, i dont know) You are right it has very interesting warm play-back; those machines are still valuable (like Naks) and i would keep it (unless you get a nice offer worths selling) Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > Hi Taifur, > > I didn't get the remote for the H11, so I am > missing many funtions for this deck. But it has a very > nice sound and it's very interesting to listen to. I > may consider selling it by year end though > > Bala > > --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> >> When I bought my H1, also got an H11 from the ebay >> in Germany. The seller of >> H11 told me that he had owned a H1 and didnt want to >> sell it. I owned my H1 >> from another source and shipped both to Turkey. >> >> Many great differences between two decks. H1 is >> second generation and still >> prime time machine; H11 third generation machine >> lacking many features. Head >> block, mechanism, and many of the electronics inside >> (especailly famous >> Studer Motors differ a lot). H1 has very similar >> features to B215 just >> missing acouple of functions. >> >> H11 still nice looking machine; with nice db display >> with digits, having the >> Revox's traditional optical attraction. >> >> Good Nakking!!! >> Tayfur >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> > Hi Tayfur, >> > >> > I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > --- Tayfur Gunay >> wrote: >> > >> >> Yes Folks, >> >> >> >> >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned >> >> Nakamichi made great machines >> >> but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now >> good >> >> to hear favorable ideas. >> >> (Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 >> >> decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - >> >> Dragon (off-specs)) >> >> >> >> Either thanks to its top equalization (not >> needing >> >> HXPro etc), or topology >> >> of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded >> tapes >> >> somewhow not true with >> >> the source (say CD) when i play both and compare >> >> source/tape. >> >> >> >> Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner >> of >> >> H1 (sister of B215). >> >> >> >> One way or another; this is the personal taste! >> More >> >> dynamics than fidelity, >> >> its Nakamichi! >> >> >> >> My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by >> Stephan >> >> Sank, I'd love to have >> >> this response with mines ; >> >> "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my >> >> measurements have yielded >> >> "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA >> & >> >> MA tapes. But the relly >> >> impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB >> @ >> >> 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. >> >> That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." >> >> >> >> Good Naking! >> >> Tayfur >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM >> >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi George! >> >> > >> >> > You wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a >> mint >> >> Dragon left to >> >> > him.< >> >> > >> >> > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! >> >> Really i was very >> >> > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >> >> > >> >> > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two >> >> heads Tandberg TD-310, at >> >> > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I >> also >> >> agreed with you..that >> >> > European made tape decks sound also to my >> "Taste' >> >> better that Nippon's >> >> > ones! >> >> > >> >> > Be well George! >> >> > >> >> > ALEX! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>From: george valkov >> >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >> >> >> >> >> >>Pieter, >> >> >> >> >> >>There is no easy answer to such a question. >> It's >> >> like asking what do >> >> >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? >> >> I'll try anyway and >> >> >>I'll try to keep it short. >> >> >> >> >> >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on >> durability, >> >> ease of maintenance, >> >> >>parts availability and support from the >> company. >> >> This may not have >> >> >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, >> but >> >> trust me, today it >> >> >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone >> >> auto-calibration function, which >> >> >>is unique and produces excellent results on any >> >> tape (of course, I'm >> >> >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK >> "A" - >> >> proper tapes). Mine >> >> >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz >> on >> >> TDK SA and 20-24kHz >> >> >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox >> do >> >> not have discrete >> >> >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the >> same >> >> casing, so off-tape >> >> >>monitoring of recordings suffers. >> >> >> >> >> >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the >> B-215 >> >> and played back on >> >> >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of >> >> personal taste and >> >> >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I >> just >> >> prefer the clean, >> >> >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording >> produced >> >> by "European" decks >> >> >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said >> >> that, listening to a >> >> >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to >> >> qualify that - the >> >> >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly >> calibrated, >> >> which is becoming >> >> >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I >> >> like the Nak sound as >> >> >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels >> untrue. >> >> >> >> >> >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to >> >> actually getting one >> >> >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. >> I >> >> hope it's in good >> >> >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who >> got a >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 24.10.2005 > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 11:09:51 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <001101c5d93e$f46ed0b0$0801a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20051025090951.10102.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tayfur, In some ways, I like the sound better because compared to the Dragon, its got a more warm and natural sound. However, in terms of detail, clarity and performace, the Dragon is better. I know that the H11 was released in 1991. Regards, Bala Tayfur Gunay wrote: Hi again Bala, I have the remote as well but have never had the chance to operate it as it works thru the whole system/via the amp. (or the seller sent me such type, i dont know) You are right it has very interesting warm play-back; those machines are still valuable (like Naks) and i would keep it (unless you get a nice offer worths selling) Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > Hi Taifur, > > I didn't get the remote for the H11, so I am > missing many funtions for this deck. But it has a very > nice sound and it's very interesting to listen to. I > may consider selling it by year end though > > Bala > > --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> >> When I bought my H1, also got an H11 from the ebay >> in Germany. The seller of >> H11 told me that he had owned a H1 and didnt want to >> sell it. I owned my H1 >> from another source and shipped both to Turkey. >> >> Many great differences between two decks. H1 is >> second generation and still >> prime time machine; H11 third generation machine >> lacking many features. Head >> block, mechanism, and many of the electronics inside >> (especailly famous >> Studer Motors differ a lot). H1 has very similar >> features to B215 just >> missing acouple of functions. >> >> H11 still nice looking machine; with nice db display >> with digits, having the >> Revox's traditional optical attraction. >> >> Good Nakking!!! >> Tayfur >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> > Hi Tayfur, >> > >> > I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > --- Tayfur Gunay >> wrote: >> > >> >> Yes Folks, >> >> >> >> >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned >> >> Nakamichi made great machines >> >> but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now >> good >> >> to hear favorable ideas. >> >> (Nakamichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 >> >> decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - >> >> Dragon (off-specs)) >> >> >> >> Either thanks to its top equalization (not >> needing >> >> HXPro etc), or topology >> >> of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded >> tapes >> >> somewhow not true with >> >> the source (say CD) when i play both and compare >> >> source/tape. >> >> >> >> Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner >> of >> >> H1 (sister of B215). >> >> >> >> One way or another; this is the personal taste! >> More >> >> dynamics than fidelity, >> >> its Nakamichi! >> >> >> >> My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by >> Stephan >> >> Sank, I'd love to have >> >> this response with mines ; >> >> "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my >> >> measurements have yielded >> >> "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA >> & >> >> MA tapes. But the relly >> >> impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB >> @ >> >> 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. >> >> That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." >> >> >> >> Good Naking! >> >> Tayfur >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM >> >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi George! >> >> > >> >> > You wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a >> mint >> >> Dragon left to >> >> > him.< >> >> > >> >> > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! >> >> Really i was very >> >> > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >> >> > >> >> > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two >> >> heads Tandberg TD-310, at >> >> > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I >> also >> >> agreed with you..that >> >> > European made tape decks sound also to my >> "Taste' >> >> better that Nippon's >> >> > ones! >> >> > >> >> > Be well George! >> >> > >> >> > ALEX! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>From: george valkov >> >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >> >> >> >> >> >>Pieter, >> >> >> >> >> >>There is no easy answer to such a question. >> It's >> >> like asking what do >> >> >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? >> >> I'll try anyway and >> >> >>I'll try to keep it short. >> >> >> >> >> >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on >> durability, >> >> ease of maintenance, >> >> >>parts availability and support from the >> company. >> >> This may not have >> >> >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, >> but >> >> trust me, today it >> >> >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone >> >> auto-calibration function, which >> >> >>is unique and produces excellent results on any >> >> tape (of course, I'm >> >> >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK >> "A" - >> >> proper tapes). Mine >> >> >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz >> on >> >> TDK SA and 20-24kHz >> >> >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox >> do >> >> not have discrete >> >> >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the >> same >> >> casing, so off-tape >> >> >>monitoring of recordings suffers. >> >> >> >> >> >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the >> B-215 >> >> and played back on >> >> >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of >> >> personal taste and >> >> >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I >> just >> >> prefer the clean, >> >> >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording >> produced >> >> by "European" decks >> >> >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said >> >> that, listening to a >> >> >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to >> >> qualify that - the >> >> >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly >> calibrated, >> >> which is becoming >> >> >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I >> >> like the Nak sound as >> >> >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels >> untrue. >> >> >> >> >> >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to >> >> actually getting one >> >> >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. >> I >> >> hope it's in good >> >> >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who >> got a >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider whether it is worth it. At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum sealed) in a rash moment!. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member Shaun I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds fantastic. B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck serviced at the same time! The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Hi Mike, Welcome to our home! It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast (weather wet and windy at present!). At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board US power supply with a UK one? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 To: Nak Subject: [naktalk] New Member Hi to you all. I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X 100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to suit the LP I am recording. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Oct 25 12:57:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Member Message-ID: Hi Andy! God...bless you!!!! Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Andy's E-Mail" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > >MessageShaun > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high end hi-fi >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > >Regards. > >Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shaun Montgomery > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > Andy, > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced >and gear upgraded at B & W so at �45 plus fitting I have to consider >whether it is worth it. > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > Shaun > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > Shaun > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds >fantastic. > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me �45 plus >labour to fit it, or �45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck >serviced at the same time! > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > Regards. > > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shaun Montgomery > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > Hi Mike, > > Welcome to our home! > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board >US power supply with a UK one? > > Shaun > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > To: Nak > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > Hi to you all. > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X >100 Chrome. I paid UK�20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF >super chrome II tape. (I paid �20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to >suit the LP I am recording. > > Thank you, > > Mike > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Oct 25 13:11:32 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:11:32 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics References: <20051025090951.10102.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014201c5d954$dca97320$0801a8c0@TG> Yes Bala, as i always say it ; if you are fond of dynamics & clarity (hmm, a bit distant from natural sound), its Nakamichi !!! but forgot to tell you; you will have no more functions with the remote as i have the original users manual for this deck (sorry for the bad news!) Take care! Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Hi Tayfur, In some ways, I like the sound better because compared to the Dragon, its got a more warm and natural sound. However, in terms of detail, clarity and performace, the Dragon is better. I know that the H11 was released in 1991. Regards, Bala Tayfur Gunay wrote: Hi again Bala, I have the remote as well but have never had the chance to operate it as it works thru the whole system/via the amp. (or the seller sent me such type, i dont know) You are right it has very interesting warm play-back; those machines are still valuable (like Naks) and i would keep it (unless you get a nice offer worths selling) Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > Hi Taifur, > > I didn't get the remote for the H11, so I am > missing many funtions for this deck. But it has a very > nice sound and it's very interesting to listen to. I > may consider selling it by year end though > > Bala > > --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> >> When I bought my H1, also got an H11 from the ebay >> in Germany. The seller of >> H11 told me that he had owned a H1 and didnt want to >> sell it. I owned my H1 >> from another source and shipped both to Turkey. >> >> Many great differences between two decks. H1 is >> second generation and still >> prime time machine; H11 third generation machine >> lacking many features. Head >> block, mechanism, and many of the electronics inside >> (especailly famous >> Studer Motors differ a lot). H1 has very similar >> features to B215 just >> missing acouple of functions. >> >> H11 still nice looking machine; with nice db display >> with digits, having the >> Revox's traditiona! l optical attraction. >> >> Good Nakking!!! >> Tayfur >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> > Hi Tayfur, >> > >> > I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > --- Tayfur Gunay >> wrote: >> > >> >> Yes Folks, >> >> >> >> >From time to time, in this forum i mentioned >> >> Nakamichi made great machines >> >> but their reproduction sound is "untrue". Now >> good >> >> to hear favorable ideas. >> >> (Nak! amichi decks I owned so far : 582- ZX9 (2 >> >> decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - >> >> Dragon (off-specs)) >> >> >> >> Either thanks to its top equalization (not >> needing >> >> HXPro etc), or topology >> >> of the head, or, any other reasons, recorded >> tapes >> >> somewhow not true with >> >> the source (say CD) when i play both and compare >> >> source/tape. >> >> >> >> Also agree Revox machines are great, being owner >> of >> >> H1 (sister of B215). >> >> >> >> One way or another; this is the personal taste! >> More >> >> dynamics than fidelity, >> >> its Nakamichi! >> >> >> >> My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by >> Stephan >> >> Sank, I'd love to have >> >> this response with mines ; >> >> "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my >> >> measurements have yielded >> >> "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on TDK SA >> & >> >> MA tapes. But the relly >> >> impressive thing is the low freq response. -3dB >> @ >> >> 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. >> >> That's what really distinguishes Nak heads." >> >> >> >> Good Naking! >> >> Tayfur >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM >> >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi George! >> &! gt;> > >> >> > You wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who got a >> mint >> >> Dragon left to >> >> > him.< >> >> > >> >> > I 100% agreed, it's VERY...VERY...unusually! >> >> Really i was very >> >> > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! >> >> > >> >> > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a "Working' two >> >> heads Tandberg TD-310, at >> >> > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: 10.00. I >> also >> >> agreed with you..that >> >> > European made tape decks sound also to my >> "Taste' >> >> better that Nippon's >> >> > ones! >> >> > >> >> > Be well George! >> >> > >> >> > ALEX! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>From: george valkov >> >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:50:39 +0100 >> >> >> >> >> >>Pieter, >> >> >> >> >> >>There is no easy answer to such a question. >> It's >> >> like asking what do >> >> >>you think of Mercedes in comparison with BMW ? >> >> I'll try anyway and >> >> >>I'll try to keep it short. >> &! gt;> >> >> >> >>I think the Revoxes win hands down on >> durability, >> >> ease of maintenance, >> >> >>parts availability and support from the >> company. >> >> This may not have >> >> >>been a great advantage over Naks 10 years ago, >> but >> >> trust me, today it >> >> >>is. The B-215 has a fantastic 4-tone >> >> auto-calibration function, which >> >> >>is unique and produces excellent results on any >> >> tape (of course, I'm >> >> >>not talking voice-recording quality like TDK >> "A" - >> >> proper tapes). Mine >> >> >>showed on the bench 20-20kHz on TDK D, 20-22kHz >> on >> >> TDK SA and 20-24kHz >> >> >>on TDK MA measured at +1/-2 dB. However, Revox &! gt;> do >> >> not have discrete >> >> >>rec/play heads, i.e. they are mounted in the >> same >> >> casing, so off-tape >> >> >>monitoring of recordings suffers. >> >> >> >> >> >>I enjoyed most of all recordings made on the >> B-215 >> >> and played back on >> >> >>the Dragon. This is now entering an area of >> >> personal taste and >> >> >>preference, so please don't flame me guys. I >> just >> >> prefer the clean, >> >> >>crisp, neutral, true-to-source recording >> produced >> >> by "European" decks >> >> >>like the B-215 and the 3014A. Now, having said >> >> that, listening to a >> >> >>1000ZXL tape can give me goosebumps. I need to >> >>! qualify that - the >> >> >>1000ZXL must be healthy and properly >> calibrated, >> >> which is becoming >> >> >>more and more difficult to achieve nowadays. I >> >> like the Nak sound as >> >> >>well, it's gorgeous, but it somehow feels >> untrue. >> >> >> >> >> >>The ZX-7 is a great deck, I never got around to >> >> actually getting one >> >> >>of the ZX series, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it. >> I >> >> hope it's in good >> >> >>shape. We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who >> got a >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 25 16:17:32 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <435BD2FA.9060202@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4359550C.7020107@rcn.com> <43596C03.5090503@woods-and-waters.com> <435B9229.1080704@rcn.com> <435BD2FA.9060202@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <435E3E7C.2070108@rcn.com> Yes, Kermit, I completely missed your point. Here's why... You state your objective is sound reproduction that is the closest possible to the original. If so, you must accept that the equipment should have as little sonic effect as possible; IOW, it should not have a sound of it's own and output should be an accurate replica of the input. Now, I agree that all existing technologies can be designed to approach this goal (but none, I think, can fully realize it). However, some active device technologies are better suited than others for the purpose. The least appropriate devices are tubes. Of course, there are many types, but, on the whole, they are inherently less linear, noisier and far less stable than the SS counterparts. Tube technology lacks the PNP equivalent, greatly limiting circuit design flexibility. This and their high output impedance tend to require much use of capacitors (and transformers, in output stages) -- expensive and problematic components. I won't even go into the serious implementation drawbacks (associated high voltages, high temperature of operation, size and weight, short life, low reliability, etc., etc..). As superior to tubes as SS is, so are op-amps to discrete SS for many (though not all) audio circuits. ICs offer excellent linearity, wide bandwidth, high input and low output impedances, low noise, and vanishingly low distortion (meaning, output that is an accurate replica of the input). In addition, they allow elimination of many capacitors. All that, and at low cost. (Though I understand that this is a huge drawback in the eyes of purists, who would embrace op-amp ICs, if they only cost an arm and a leg each.) So, this is why I missed your point: you state an objective, then show a preference for the worst technology to achieve it (tubes), followed by lower preference for a better technology (SS), followed by least preference for the best technology (ICs). Yes, we've already agreed that all these technologies are usable, but the order of your preferences tends to obliterate your statement of objective. I suspect neither of us will convince the other. Let's agree to disagree. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Methinks my point was missed. Here it is again, but simpler: We both > have the same objective as to achieving the highest of hi-fi. My point > is that I feel, no infact have experienced, that ALL available > technologies can achieve the stated objective, not just opamps (or > tubes, or whatever.) Some of the best gear I've heard use opamps, like > Neotek consoles, McCurdy EQs and Nakamichi decks. Some of the worst gear > I've heard use opamps -- a long list. Some of the best gear I've heard > use tubes, like Western Electric and EMI REDD consoles, Pultec EQs and > Ampex MR70 or Studer J37 tape decks. Some of the worst gear I've heard > use tubes too -- a long list, topped off by just about every Single > Ended Triode amp ever foisted on the buying public. I make an SET amp, > by the way -- I sell it as a guitar amp!!! > > I use the same definition of "better" sound as Bell Labs did: the more a > reproduced recording sounds like a live performance appearing before > you, the better the sound. When you get to the point that you can make a > recording and playback so good that no one can tell the difference > between it and a live instrument, then you achieved the "best" sound. > This has beeen achieved, many times, the first in 1932. Sadly, the > equipment in all instances is extreme and often cusotm-built and > custom-installed; so only a handful of listeners have heard the "best" > sound. > > As to measurements, they are obviously important, no god ddesigners > designs on caprice or whim. But measurements are a starting point only. > Since the earliest days of audio, designers have used meaurements as a > valuable design aid. But the top designers learned that merely designing > for ever-lower THD or IMD didn't always assure excellent sound, so at > some point they used controlled scientific listening tests to fine tune > the design. These became the perennial classics, like the McCurdy > AU-300, the Fairchild compressor, the Teletronix LA-2, Altec's 1566A, > all of Rupert Neve's amazing designs, Willi Studer's A80, Larry Scully's > 280 (germanium transistors only, no opamps) and 280B (silicon > transistors only, no opamps), Alexander Poniatoff's long line of amps, > recorders and mixers spanning decades (using tubes, nuvistors, silicon > transistors and opamps). Even Niro Nakamichi used controlled scientific > listening tests to fine tune his designs, Ted once told me. By the way, > the Nakamichi 500, 550 and 600 have no opamps. Yet they are the among > the best sounding Nakamichis ever made. > > I've been researching the correlation between test measurements and the > human perception of distortion for thirty years. Interestingly, the > brain doesn't perceive distortion in the same manner as test gear. Many > ahave been trying to develop tests for audio gear tha taccurately and > consitently predict how the gear will sound to us mere humans, but alas > the goal still eludes designers. It is entirely possible and documented > by myself and others that in some instances a piece of gear with > utltra-low measured THD or IMD sounds worse to listeners than a second > piece with higher THD or IMD. Why? Theories abound, with no definitive > conclusion. Yet. > > So we agree as to the end result but we disagree that only one path is > The One True Way and we disagree that low measured specifications are a > predictor of excellent sound. I've been able to achieve better sound > with tubes than with opamps -- except for my Type 99 preamp, which is > all opamp and the equal of my tube preamps. Currently the Type 99 is out > of production with no plans to bring it back. > > Hope this clears things up. > > N-Joy! > > Ron wrote: > >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron, >> >> >> >> Hi, Kermit, >> >> Before responding, let me thank you for your clear >> expression of the issues. The crux of our difference >> are the basic disagreements between subjectivism and >> objectivism in audio. Obviously, if we disagree about >> what constitutes good sound, how can we agree on the >> means of achieving it? >> >> >>> Ron wrote: >>> >>>> Patently false! What tube, and what op-amp? It's easy to >>>> generalize, but there are audio op-amps that easily beat >>>> most tube designs (22V/uS, 9 MHz, THD=0.0006% for OP0275. >>>> THD=0.00008% for OPA2134, etc.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Not to stir up another us-vs-them style debate, but specs do not >>> guarantee excellent sound. >> >> >> >> Actually, they do. But with two provisos. >> >> First, what is 'excellent sound'? To an objectivist >> (like myself), the equipment should have no sound of >> its own at all. It should be completely transparent, >> revealing exactly what's in the recording, nothing >> more, nothing less. That's the literal meaning of >> 'high fidelity'. >> >> To a subjectivist (like yourself?) the sound should >> be pleasing, but not necessarily accurate. The >> subjectivist talks about the wonderful 'warm' sound >> of tubes as if it was a virtue and the 'analytic' >> sound of SS as if it was a fault. He doesn't care >> whether the original sound in the recording studio >> was dry or lush, he wishes the PB equipment to >> change the sound to his liking. >> >> To the subjectivist 'specs do not guarantee >> excellent sound' because specs can only tell >> how accurate the reproduction is; to the >> subjectivist, accurate reproduction does not >> equate to excellent sound. >> >> Second, how do you define 'specs'? To be meaningful, >> specs have to be complete and cover all aspects of >> equipment operation. What manufacturers publish >> seldom qualifies. >> >>> ... The best designers, and the most sought-after and prized audio >>> gear, were not designed "by the numbers". >> >> >> >> Really? please tell me how they were designed, then. >> With a voodoo stick? With premonition? With tarot >> cards? >> >>> Audio products are perceptual products; e.g. you have to appeal to >>> the subtleties of the human brain/ear combination. Designs that look >>> great on test gear and oscilloscopes do not necessarily sound as good >>> as the numbers suggest. >> >> >> >> Now here, exactly, is a crystallized statement of the >> disagreement between us. To me, audio products are >> not 'perceptual products'. They do not 'have to appeal >> to the human brain/ear' or anything else. All they >> have to do is reproduce at their output an *exact* >> replica of their input. Unfortunately, our ears are >> a poor measuring tool for accuracy, especially since >> the result is filtered by the brain. >> >> Designs that have good specifications (as defined >> above) do guaranty *accurate* reproduction, but not >> necessarily appeasement of the human brain/ear >> combination. >> >>>> As Engineers, we should choose the best component for the >>>> job. >>> >>> >>> >>> Which is why I use tubes in my designs. I used to design with opams >>> but couldn't achieve the sound I sought with them, but I could with >>> tubes. Yet I've heard excellent sound come out of all technologies: >>> tube, transistor, FET, opamp, and LSI. >>> >>>> 'Discrete circuits are better' is just another myth, as >>>> false as 'green ink improves CDs', 'silver sounds better', >>>> 'tubes sound better', 'bricks on the amp sound better', >>>> etc., etc., etc.. >>> >>> >>> >>> I design with tubes, not opamps. Why? Personal preferences: I am able >>> to achieve the subjective characterisitics I seek in my designs with >>> tubes, not with opamps. >> >> >> >> Again, the discrepancy is in your and my expectations. >> Your 'personal preferences' and 'subjective characteristics' >> are not transparency, high fidelity and accuracy, which >> are exactly what I am looking for. SS and CDs are far more >> accurate than tubes and LPs, but fail to shape the sound >> to your liking. >> >>> But, I lack the hubris to insult a person's intelligence with the >>> silly -- and often self-serving notion -- that "only tubes are best" >>> and "opamps are crap" (or conversely, "opamps are best" and "tubes >>> are crap"). I'm constantly amazed at the inability of all-too-many in >>> audio today to be able to rise above such partisan (and equally >>> self-serving) stances. Opamps are best and tube circuits are merely >>> sales mystique designed to extract money from buyers? Sounds more to >>> me like ad bauculum arguments and words from an opamp-circuit >>> designer or salesman. >>> >>> (BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I've actually counseled prospective audio buyers >>> NOT to buy tube gear -- even though that's what I design! WHY? I >>> could recognize that tubes would not be the ideal choice for them, >>> either because of practical considerations, costs, or subjective >>> aspects. Did I cost myself a sale in the process? No, I don't think >>> so. I'd rather the person have the "best" sound for their situation, >>> not a tube amp at all costs, regardless, merely because of a blindly >>> zealous "tubes are best" position. Similarly, even though I prefer >>> analog recorders for a great many reasons, I've counseled some buyers >>> to buy digital recorders instead.) >>> >>> "The sun rises in the east" is a fact and an absolute. Assertions >>> that opamps, tubes, or whatever, is "best" is an opinion or a design >>> choice, but not a fact and not an absolute. >>> >>> I'm also constantly amazed at the inability of designers or buyers to >>> recognize that ALL available technologies are equally capable of >>> excellent sound. >>> >>> Design TECHNIQUE, not design technology, is the most important aspect >>> of achieving great sound. In other words, it matters more what you do >>> with your chosen technology than which technology you choose. >> >> >> >> Agreed. You can use SS to produce 'tube sound' and >> (though much more difficult) the reverse, as well. >> >>> This is one reason why even a 25-year-old Nakamichi cassette recorder >>> can hold its own with newer-technology digital equipment. >> >> >> >> Ah... Even though it's filled with those horrid >> op-amps... >> >>> The excellent design TECHNIQUES of Nakamichi cassette decks give it >>> excellent >> >> >> > sound ... >> >> But it was designed 'by the numbers'... There is no >> other way to design with op-amps. >> >>> ... on a par with, and sometimes "better" than, digital in many >>> instances. True, it can be argued successfully that excellent sound >>> may be achieved cheaper with opamps than with tubes. >>> >>> This whole notion that any one given technology or particular design >>> approach is "best" is garbage. Designers, salespersons, promoters and >>> even audiophiles who indulge in generalizations such as these serve >>> only to discredit themselves and undermine the authority of their >>> propositions. >> >> >> >> Well, each component type has it's own strengths and >> weaknesses. It's up to the engineer to utilize the best >> components to meet the goal. >> >>> Could we please be done with such nonsense? >>> >>> IMPORTANT: My motive for this message is to try to bring a voice of >>> sanity, not to ignite a tube-vs-opamp war. I intend no remark to be >>> personal and no animosity is directed toward anyone. >> >> >> >> Same here. Have a nice day (it's raining and windy here), >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> >>> N-Joy! From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 25 16:19:18 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:19:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. In-Reply-To: <000e01c5d94f$0e687e20$0201a8c0@lan> References: <000e01c5d94f$0e687e20$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <435E3EE6.2030600@rcn.com> Martin Short wrote: > To Scott and Ron, > > Thanks for the tips, but unfortunately WD40, and MEK didn't work. The > pinch rollers were well seized, actually turning the pivot pins on the > base so a major strip down was required. When the pinch rollers were > eased out, the pivots came too and needed drifting out of the roller > assemblies! > Though I have reassembled the transport, with the pins removed I lost > my datum (No of turns to remove) so now the fun starts in getting > everything lined up again without access to to any gauges!. > > The joys... > > Martin > Had I known you were going to remove the roller arm, I would have warned you about the left arm adjustment. IME, removal was not necessary for cleaning off dried grease, just some WD-40 (MEK will work even better, but stay away from the fumes) and a small, stiff brush. Years ago, someone here came up with an idea for making a tape traveling cassette from an old cassette. It was very easy to make. Not as good as the Nak gauge, I assume, but still, it helped in adjusting roller arm height. If you wish, I can email a shot of the cassette I made. You may wish to make one too. -- Ron From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Oct 25 15:18:22 2005 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:18:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Message-ID: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D0206D971@ued8.UE.com> nak'rs, digital vs analog... an age-old debate that keeps cropping up... i'm sure i dont understand all the technical reasons for this re-occurring topic, but i've enjoyed the 'psycho' discussions... when CD music first hit the scene, i could hear that something was missing from the music... continuity, & while digitally recorded music has come a long way with improved production, 16 to 20 to 24 bit remastering & the like, it's still ones & zeros vs continuous sound stream... not too far from what happens with a digital photo... the closer you look at it, the more pixelated it becomes... some visual information is missing. my2cents, andy Come see Utility Engineering at POWER-GEN International December 6-8, 2005 at Sands Expo in Las Vegas, NV - Booth 4600. 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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 25 15:54:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:54:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <001601c5d955$fb1370d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <009401c5d96b$98063980$66b987d9@oemcomputer> MessageShaun I've only heard the Sony and it's a fine machine. Remember, it was used to master "The Campfire Tapes", live recordings of Michelle Shocked playing by a campfire at a folk festival (just across the road from where Gerry lives!) So, it's no slouch. It's also light to carry around for a portable cassette machine. The Nak 550 is much heavier, I understand. However, Nak brothers who have used both machines seem to feel the Nak is the better of the two for accurate recording. So, it's a trade off between convenience (weight) and recording quality, I would think. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 25 October 2005 12:20 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member Would anybody like to offer an opinion on which portable cassette recorder is the better between the Nakamichi 550 and the Sony Walkman Professional WM-D6C. They each come up for sale on Ebay regularly and I will be making a purchase before much longer but don't want to choose the wrong one for want of seeking prior advice. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 21:14:12 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. In-Reply-To: <000e01c5d94f$0e687e20$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20051025191412.47776.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah. Sometimes they get super stuck. My RX-505 has well stuck, but, it would move when forced without rotating the shaft. Because of the alignment issue when reinstalling it I wish I had stuck it out and cleaned it in place. SJ --- Martin Short wrote: > To Scott and Ron, > > Thanks for the tips, but unfortunately WD40, and MEK didn't work. > The pinch rollers were well seized, actually turning the pivot pins > on the base so a major strip down was required. When the pinch > rollers were eased out, the pivots came too and needed drifting out > of the roller assemblies! > Though I have reassembled the transport, with the pins removed I > lost my datum (No of turns to remove) so now the fun starts in > getting everything lined up again without access to to any gauges!. > > The joys... > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 17:34:44 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <014201c5d954$dca97320$0801a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20051025153444.91924.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tayfur, Ok, if I were to turn on and off the Dolby, and to switch between source and tape, how do it do it? Maybe you can reply me offline on this? Thanks! Bala --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Yes Bala, as i always say it ; > > if you are fond of dynamics & clarity (hmm, a bit > distant from natural sound), its Nakamichi !!! > > but forgot to tell you; you will have no more > functions with the remote as i have the original > users manual for this deck (sorry for the bad news!) > > Take care! > Tayfur > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > Hi Tayfur, > > In some ways, I like the sound better > because compared to the Dragon, its got a more warm > and natural sound. However, in terms of detail, > clarity and performace, the Dragon is better. I know > that the H11 was released in 1991. > > Regards, > Bala > > Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Hi again Bala, > > I have the remote as well but have never had the > chance to operate it as it > works thru the whole system/via the amp. (or the > seller sent me such type, i > dont know) > > You are right it has very interesting warm > play-back; those machines are > still valuable (like Naks) and i would keep it > (unless you get a nice offer > worths selling) > > Tayfur > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > > > > Hi Taifur, > > > > I didn't get the remote for the H11, so I am > > missing many funtions for this deck. But it > has a very > > nice sound and it's very interesting to listen > to. I > > may consider selling it by year end though > > > > Bala > > > > --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > > > >> Hi Bala, > >> > >> When I bought my H1, also got an H11 from the > ebay > >> in Germany. The seller of > >> H11 told me that he had owned a H1 and didnt > want to > >> sell it. I owned my H1 > >> from another source and shipped both to > Turkey. > >> > >> Many great differences between two decks. H1 > is > >> second generation and still > >> prime time machine; H11 third generation > machine > >> lacking many features. Head > >> block, mechanism, and many of the electronics > inside > >> (especailly famous > >> Studer Motors differ a lot). H1 has very > similar > >> features to B215 just > >> missing acouple of functions. > >> > >> H11 still nice looking machine; with nice db > display > >> with digits, having the > >> Revox's traditiona! l optical attraction. > >> > >> Good Nakking!!! > >> Tayfur > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> > >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >> > >> > >> > Hi Tayfur, > >> > > >> > I have the H11. Any idea about that deck? > >> > > >> > Bala > >> > > >> > --- Tayfur Gunay > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Yes Folks, > >> >> > >> >> >From time to time, in this forum i > mentioned > >> >> Nakamichi made great machines > >> >> but their reproduction sound is "untrue". > Now > >> good > >> >> to hear favorable ideas. > >> >> (Nak! amichi decks I owned so far : 582- > ZX9 (2 > >> >> decks) - 482 - RX505 - DR10 - > >> >> Dragon (off-specs)) > >> >> > >> >> Either thanks to its top equalization (not > >> needing > >> >> HXPro etc), or topology > >> >> of the head, or, any other reasons, > recorded > >> tapes > >> >> somewhow not true with > >> >> the source (say CD) when i play both and > compare > >> >> source/tape. > >> >> > >> >> Also agree Revox machines are great, being > owner > >> of > >> >> H1 (sister of B215). > >> >> > >> >> One way or another; this is the personal > taste! > >> More > >> >> dynamics than fidelity, > >> >> its Nakamichi! > >> >> > >> >> My 582 still needs servicing. As stated by > >> Stephan > >> >> Sank, I'd love to have > >> >> this response with mines ; > >> >> "On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my > >> >> measurements have yielded > >> >> "usable" response out to 35 kHz rec/pb on > TDK SA > >> & > >> >> MA tapes. But the relly > >> >> impressive thing is the low freq response. > -3dB > >> @ > >> >> 12 Hz MA, 16 Hz SA. > >> >> That's what really distinguishes Nak > heads." > >> >> > >> >> Good Naking! > >> >> Tayfur > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Alex Cozac" > >> >> To: > >> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:41 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi George! > >> &! gt;> > > >> >> > You wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>We can't all be as lucky as Alex, who > got a > >> mint > >> >> Dragon left to > >> >> > him.< > >> >> > > >> >> > I 100% agreed, it's > VERY...VERY...unusually! > >> >> Really i was very > >> >> > lucky...Thanks to Our Lord!!! > >> >> > > >> >> > BTW...I acquired 2 years ago an a > "Working' two > >> >> heads Tandberg TD-310, at > >> >> > Tel-Aviv's "Flea" market for only $: > 10.00. I > >> also > >> >> agreed with you..that > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 25 21:52:12 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:52:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <435E3E7C.2070108@rcn.com> References: <20051021022205.7364.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4359550C.7020107@rcn.com> <43596C03.5090503@woods-and-waters.com> <435B9229.1080704@rcn.com> <435BD2FA.9060202@woods-and-waters.com> <435E3E7C.2070108@rcn.com> Message-ID: <435E8CEC.8050503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Sure, I'll agree to disagree; out of the oposition of two opposing views a new understanding often arises, so disagreement can be a productive thing. As an aside, why do you tolerate your Nakamichi cassette decks? Their distortion is higher than digital audio. So digital has better sonics, right? I had not intended to respond but you've made some remarks in public on this forum I cannot let pass. My apologies to the group in advance; feel free to skip past this message. You keep offering an opinion, such as "tubes are the worst technology" as fact. Tubes are not the worst technology, nor the best technology. It's merely one of several available technologies. (By the way, some of the most reliable electronics ever made have been tube circuits.) I wish I had your gift for semantics, as you've done well in a bid to twist my words so they bend in the direction you desire. I like the substitution of the word "sonics" for my words. This is quite good. It takes the focus off my point, (which is the human mind's perception of reproduced sound is more important than impressive measurements), and puts it on the nebulous yet seemingly concrete concpet of "sonics" which can be anything a person wants to define it as -- in your case, you want to define sonics as low distortion. It's hard for me to take your remarks seriously when I see opinions (masquerading as facts), like "tubes are the worst technology", flow from you. Talk about being subjectivist -- that's quite a subjectivist comment! I never stated my goal was to design cheap gear, only excellent gear -- gear perceived by the listener's mind as excellent. I picked tubes as my technology out of convenience -- they're easier for me to design circuits that achieve my design goals. Not to worry, I have transistor and opamp circuits undr dvelopment that will achieve the same goals, but they are still under development because the perceptual effects of transistors and opamps on reproduced music have been harder for me to overcome than the perceptual effects of tubes are. Anyone can design a working opamp circuit -- even those with no knowledge of audio and no talent for electronic design. That is one huge advantage of opamps: no knowledge of audio and little skill for electronics is needed to make a working circuit. Transistors are switches, not natural amplifying devices as many tubes are. The charge coupled effect is a seriously problem to overcome with transistors -- tubes do not have this inherent flaw. Properly biased tubes exhibit extreme linearity, the equal to most transistor applications. Tube distortion products are dominantly even-order, which the ear is tolerant of, not odd-order like transistors. Odd-order harmonics are perceived by the ear as strident, and the ear is intolerant of even tiny magnitudes of odd-order products, so transistors begin with these two hurdles to overcome. The high voltages, capacitors and transformers required by tube circuits do not bother me -- these are very easy problems for an experienced designer to not only overcome but to exploit to advantage. Sorry, but I do not have time to explain it fully; I could write a book in the process. I've designed all manner of circuits: tube, transistor and opamp. All my designs seek have as little PERCEPTUAL effect on the music as possible. You still do not seem to be able to leave the thinking that low measured distortion always equals excellent sonics. This is an understandable conceptual trap, and I do not condemn you for it. It took me almost twenty years to reach the understanding that audio designers must cater to the human mind FIRST (not test equipment). It was hard for me to outgrow the simplistic, albeit perfectly rational and reasonable, thinking that low measured distortion always equals excellent sonics. Admittedly, this does make perfect sense on the face of it. If a design has low distortion then it will sound wonderful, right? Well, not necessarily. This understanding is the hardest thing for designers to achieve; in fact, most never do. Ron, I admire your passion for wonderful sound. I applaud it and encourage it. ANYONE with a passion for wonderful sound has my full support. I'm confident that one day, the light will dawn and you will see that it isn't excellent "sonics" per se that is the prize; it's the perception by the human mind of excellent sonics. I'm confident that one day you will understand that you have to design to satisfy the human mind, not test equipment, and that this means design elements that may seem contradictory, even counter to the stated goal of excellent "sonics". I wish I could find a way to condense thirty years of experimentation, research and development into a few paragraphs so that you can have the immediate benefit of the understanding, but that isn't possible. Good luck to you in your endeavours. If I may be of any assistance to you, please do not hesitate to ask. Ron wrote: > > Yes, Kermit, I completely missed your point. Here's why... > > You state your objective is sound reproduction that is > the closest possible to the original. If so, you must > accept that the equipment should have as little sonic > effect as possible; IOW, it should not have a sound of > it's own and output should be an accurate replica of the > input. > > Now, I agree that all existing technologies can be designed > to approach this goal (but none, I think, can fully realize > it). However, some active device technologies are better > suited than others for the purpose. The least appropriate > devices are tubes. Of course, there are many types, but, on > the whole, they are inherently less linear, noisier and > far less stable than the SS counterparts. Tube technology > lacks the PNP equivalent, greatly limiting circuit design > flexibility. This and their high output impedance tend to > require much use of capacitors (and transformers, in output > stages) -- expensive and problematic components. I won't > even go into the serious implementation drawbacks > (associated high voltages, high temperature of operation, > size and weight, short life, low reliability, etc., etc..). > > As superior to tubes as SS is, so are op-amps to discrete > SS for many (though not all) audio circuits. ICs offer > excellent linearity, wide bandwidth, high input and low > output impedances, low noise, and vanishingly low distortion > (meaning, output that is an accurate replica of the input). > In addition, they allow elimination of many capacitors. > All that, and at low cost. (Though I understand that this > is a huge drawback in the eyes of purists, who would > embrace op-amp ICs, if they only cost an arm and a leg > each.) > > So, this is why I missed your point: you state an objective, > then show a preference for the worst technology to achieve it > (tubes), followed by lower preference for a better technology > (SS), followed by least preference for the best technology > (ICs). Yes, we've already agreed that all these technologies > are usable, but the order of your preferences tends to > obliterate your statement of objective. > > I suspect neither of us will convince the other. Let's agree > to disagree. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 25 21:53:41 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:53:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <009401c5d96b$98063980$66b987d9@oemcomputer> References: <009401c5d96b$98063980$66b987d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <435E8D45.5020607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Shaun > > I've only heard the Sony and it's a fine machine. Remember, it was used > to master "The Campfire Tapes", live recordings of Michelle Shocked > playing by a campfire at a folk festival (just across the road from > where Gerry lives!) So, it's no slouch. It's also light to carry > around for a portable cassette machine. The Nak 550 is much heavier, I > understand. However, Nak brothers who have used both machines seem to > feel the Nak is the better of the two for accurate recording. So, it's > a trade off between convenience (weight) and recording quality, I would > think. You beat me to it. Well said! I put up with the weight of the Nak 550 to enjoy its superior sound. N-Joy! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Shaun Montgomery > *Sent:* 25 October 2005 12:20 > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] New Member > > Would anybody like to offer an opinion on which portable cassette > recorder is the better between the Nakamichi 550 and the Sony > Walkman Professional WM-D6C. They each come up for sale on Ebay > regularly and I will be making a purchase before much longer but > don't want to choose the wrong one for want of seeking prior advice. > > Shaun > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Oct 25 21:56:19 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:56:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. In-Reply-To: <435E3EE6.2030600@rcn.com> Message-ID: I've got my service manual for my ZX-7 and am trying to follow along on this but am having a hard time figuring out what arm you are talking about? And the "pinch roller" is this a different name for the pressure roller? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. Martin Short wrote: > To Scott and Ron, > > Thanks for the tips, but unfortunately WD40, and MEK didn't work. The > pinch rollers were well seized, actually turning the pivot pins on the > base so a major strip down was required. When the pinch rollers were > eased out, the pivots came too and needed drifting out of the roller > assemblies! > Though I have reassembled the transport, with the pins removed I lost > my datum (No of turns to remove) so now the fun starts in getting > everything lined up again without access to to any gauges!. > > The joys... > > Martin > Had I known you were going to remove the roller arm, I would have warned you about the left arm adjustment. IME, removal was not necessary for cleaning off dried grease, just some WD-40 (MEK will work even better, but stay away from the fumes) and a small, stiff brush. Years ago, someone here came up with an idea for making a tape traveling cassette from an old cassette. It was very easy to make. Not as good as the Nak gauge, I assume, but still, it helped in adjusting roller arm height. If you wish, I can email a shot of the cassette I made. You may wish to make one too. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 23:44:41 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051025214441.84794.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pinch roller, pressure roller are the same thing. On dual capstan decks there will be two. One on the supply side and on the take-up side (in other words, one on the left side of the heads and one on the right). SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > I've got my service manual for my ZX-7 and am trying to follow > along on this > but am having a hard time figuring out what arm you are talking > about? And > the "pinch roller" is this a different name for the pressure > roller? > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:19 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. > > > Martin Short wrote: > > To Scott and Ron, > > > > Thanks for the tips, but unfortunately WD40, and MEK didn't work. > The > > pinch rollers were well seized, actually turning the pivot pins > on the > > base so a major strip down was required. When the pinch rollers > were > > eased out, the pivots came too and needed drifting out of the > roller > > assemblies! > > Though I have reassembled the transport, with the pins removed I > lost > > my datum (No of turns to remove) so now the fun starts in > getting > > everything lined up again without access to to any gauges!. > > > > The joys... > > > > Martin > > > > Had I known you were going to remove the roller arm, I > would have warned you about the left arm adjustment. IME, > removal was not necessary for cleaning off dried grease, > just some WD-40 (MEK will work even better, but stay away > from the fumes) and a small, stiff brush. > > Years ago, someone here came up with an idea for making a > tape traveling cassette from an old cassette. It was > very easy to make. Not as good as the Nak gauge, I assume, > but still, it helped in adjusting roller arm height. If > you wish, I can email a shot of the cassette I made. You > may wish to make one too. > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Oct 25 23:25:28 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:25:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <001601c5d955$fb1370d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Hi Shaun, I would say the WMD6C, but I may be biased cos I have one and don't have the 550 :-) >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:19:33 +0100 > >Would anybody like to offer an opinion on which portable cassette recorder >is the better between the Nakamichi 550 and the Sony Walkman Professional >WM-D6C. They each come up for sale on Ebay regularly and I will be making a >purchase before much longer but don't want to choose the wrong one for want >of seeking prior advice. > >Shaun From marc at stager.com Tue Oct 25 23:42:50 2005 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:42:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: <200510252036.j9PKZJJu004898@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510252036.j9PKZJJu004898@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051025165126.029f4630@stager.com> The Paradox: Ron, you assume a conclusion that is scientifically correct but aesthetically flawed. To achieve sound reproduction as close as possible to the original, the purest, most accurate, most exact replica of the original signal may not be the most musically pleasing to the ear. If we are to assume that the point of high fidelity audio is to enjoy a pleasurable listening experience, sterile, lifeless reproduction will not get you there. The most natural, realistic, reproduction of a female vocal, this particular example that of Peggy Lee from tapes I made from the board when I worked with her during a month long gig at the NY Hilton in '92, came from a single-ended Ongaku amplifier feeding a pair of KEF 105's (top only, above 400 Hz - speakers were bi-amped). The distortion graph for this $80,000 amplifier read 5% HD at 35 watts per channel, almost all second-order distortion. So why is this measurement nightmare such a musical wet-dream? I suggest that it replaces some of the harmonics of the music which were lost in it's long trip from the studio to my speakers with a little second order distortion, which, as opposed to odd-order distortion, makes music sound sweeter, more alive, perhaps a bit over saturated, like a Kodachrome slide, but truly beautiful. A good solid state amplifier is sterile and accurate, but boring. Incidentally, I use solid state for the bass portion of the bi-amped speakers. Here I want a fast, powerful reproduction. Why do recordings, from the 50's - jazz, classics, big bands recordings sound so natural? The brass, bass, even the drums, though rolled off have a realism that digital recordings just can't understand. Is it the old tube electronics, those incredible sounding old Ampex tape machines? Tube cutting amplifiers? Probably all the above plus simple microphone techniques which captured the balance and depth of the instruments in the studio, and were recorded without compression and minimal, if any, EQ. Any engineer with a decent ear will choose his microphones not for a flat, measurement-quality frequency response, but for what will suit a particular instrument best. The legendary Neumann U-47, probably the most coveted vocal mic in history, used by artists from Sinatra to the Beatles, has a smooth 6 dB rise peaking at 9K giving it a magical presence. Furthermore, every instrument and vocal is seasoned with eq and compression, often excessively so, on its way to the master tape or hard drive. So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than you will. But I will give you this: You will have some impressive looking graphs. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:32 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >Yes, Kermit, I completely missed your point. Here's why... > >You state your objective is sound reproduction that is >the closest possible to the original. If so, you must >accept that the equipment should have as little sonic >effect as possible; IOW, it should not have a sound of >it's own and output should be an accurate replica of the >input. > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > I use the same definition of "better" sound as Bell Labs did: the more a > > reproduced recording sounds like a live performance appearing before > > you, the better the sound. When you get to the point that you can make a > > recording and playback so good that no one can tell the difference > > between it and a live instrument, then you achieved the "best" sound. From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 25 23:51:29 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:51:29 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic: Reel manuals resource link incl. Akai GX-4000D References: Message-ID: <00e001c5d9af$1ba0bbb0$076065da@riccarton.school.nz> Thanks Bob very useful, I am cleaning up the mechanical side of things at the moment ( re lubing, new power cable, cleanup switches and pots, waiting on new belts etc,) still looking for a manual that covers the dolby on/check switch on the back of the 4000db. Thanks again Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "bwana747 _" To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic: Reel manuals resource link incl. Akai GX-4000D > > Here's a link for the GX-4000D reel deck user's manual and several others > of various brands for those of us Nakkers who also are reel to reel > enthusiasts. The manuals are presented as individual page scans not as > Acrobat PDFs though those probably could readily be "Distilled" to PDF in > Photoshop or using Acrobat creator programs. > > > http://www.obsoletemedia.com/tapedecks/manuals.htm > > GX-4000D is about fifth down the list. > > Hope this helps Dave! > Bob > >>From: Dave Harris >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:13:46 +1300 >> >>Hi Bala >> >>You don't by any chance have a manual for and Akai 4000DB. I have one on >>my bench getting the treart ment at the moment. >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Dave >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:31 AM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >> >> >>>Great. I have some reel to reel manuals which I would >>>scan and send. Would it be helpful? >>> >>>Bala >>> >>>--- Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>Then Its online >>>> >>>> >>>>With best regards >>>> >>>>Tomas Larsson >>>>Sweden >>>>http://www.naks.mine.nu >>>>for downloads etc. >>>>ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >>>> >>>>Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>>Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:30 AM >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Tomas, >>>> >>>> Yes, it will help. >>>> >>>> Yes it is the 1000_User_Manual. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Bala >>>> >>>>Tomas Larsson wrote: >>>> >>>>Well, it happens, when I copy from FTP-incomming to >>>>the HTTP-Download area, >>>>and if I forget to change the security context of >>>>the file. >>>>I need to do some scripting, to have it automated, >>>>me thinks. >>>> >>>>Re the 1000/II manual, I assume so, I have 2 manuals >>>>for the 1k, one >>>>1000_User_Manual and the last one 1000_ZXL. >>>>So I assume you mean the first one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>With best regards >>>> >>>>Tomas Larsson >>>>Sweden >>>>http://www.naks.mine.nu >>>>for downloads etc. >>>>ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. >>>> >>>>Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>>Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:38 AM >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals Added >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Tomas, >>>> >>>> Perhaps you should try to switch SELINUX from >>>>Active to Warn. Do you >>>>still have the pdf file of the 1000/II manual I sent >>>>to you? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! >>>>http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: >>>12/10/2005 >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: >>12/10/2005 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 06:47:09 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:47:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. Message-ID: Hi Doane! To my knowledge...the TWO names refers to the same two smalls black rubber rollers that "pressure" the tape to the "Shiny" capstans! in your or mine decks! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:56:19 -0700 > >I've got my service manual for my ZX-7 and am trying to follow along on >this >but am having a hard time figuring out what arm you are talking about? And >the "pinch roller" is this a different name for the pressure roller? > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:19 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. > > >Martin Short wrote: > > To Scott and Ron, > > > > Thanks for the tips, but unfortunately WD40, and MEK didn't work. The > > pinch rollers were well seized, actually turning the pivot pins on the > > base so a major strip down was required. When the pinch rollers were > > eased out, the pivots came too and needed drifting out of the roller > > assemblies! > > Though I have reassembled the transport, with the pins removed I lost > > my datum (No of turns to remove) so now the fun starts in getting > > everything lined up again without access to to any gauges!. > > > > The joys... > > > > Martin > > > >Had I known you were going to remove the roller arm, I >would have warned you about the left arm adjustment. IME, >removal was not necessary for cleaning off dried grease, >just some WD-40 (MEK will work even better, but stay away >from the fumes) and a small, stiff brush. > >Years ago, someone here came up with an idea for making a >tape traveling cassette from an old cassette. It was >very easy to make. Not as good as the Nak gauge, I assume, >but still, it helped in adjusting roller arm height. If >you wish, I can email a shot of the cassette I made. You >may wish to make one too. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:45:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:45:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox Message-ID: Bravo Mark! Tubes "FAN"...since I was born, and my lovely Daddy today passed away use his tube gear, he leave for me his 1954 legendary Mono speaker JBL "Hartsfield" system...which still making lovely sound since then..with nothing to repair still "Factory" sealed! Today I use a ARC SP-9-Mk-2 preamp, Dynaco (By Panor) ST-70 MK-2 power, McIntosh SS MR-78 FM only tuner, Nak Dragon cassette deck, & Philips SS Cd player + 4 turntables that during the year I changed among them, so can be always operative with No problems. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:42:50 -0400 > >The Paradox: > >Ron, you assume a conclusion that is scientifically correct but >aesthetically flawed. > >To achieve sound reproduction as close as possible to the original, >the purest, most accurate, most exact replica of the original signal >may not be the most musically pleasing to the ear. > >If we are to assume that the point of high fidelity audio is to enjoy a >pleasurable listening experience, sterile, lifeless reproduction will not >get you there. The most natural, realistic, reproduction of a female >vocal, this particular example that of Peggy Lee from tapes I made >from the board when I worked with her during a month long gig at the >NY Hilton in '92, came from a single-ended Ongaku amplifier feeding >a pair of KEF 105's (top only, above 400 Hz - speakers were bi-amped). >The distortion graph for this $80,000 amplifier read 5% HD at 35 watts >per channel, almost all second-order distortion. > >So why is this measurement nightmare such a musical wet-dream? >I suggest that it replaces some of the harmonics of the music which >were lost in it's long trip from the studio to my speakers with >a little second order distortion, which, as opposed to odd-order >distortion, makes music sound sweeter, more alive, perhaps a bit >over saturated, like a Kodachrome slide, but truly beautiful. A good >solid state amplifier is sterile and accurate, but boring. Incidentally, >I use solid state for the bass portion of the bi-amped speakers. Here >I want a fast, powerful reproduction. > >Why do recordings, from the 50's - jazz, classics, big bands recordings >sound so natural? The brass, bass, even the drums, though rolled off >have a realism that digital recordings just can't understand. Is it the old >tube electronics, those incredible sounding old Ampex tape machines? >Tube cutting amplifiers? Probably all the above plus simple microphone >techniques which captured the balance and depth of the instruments >in the studio, and were recorded without compression and minimal, >if any, EQ. > >Any engineer with a decent ear will choose his microphones not >for a flat, measurement-quality frequency response, but for what >will suit a particular instrument best. The legendary Neumann U-47, >probably the most coveted vocal mic in history, used by artists from >Sinatra to the Beatles, has a smooth 6 dB rise peaking at 9K giving >it a magical presence. Furthermore, every instrument and vocal is >seasoned with eq and compression, often excessively so, on its >way to the master tape or hard drive. > >So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image >reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is >already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing >distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? > >So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art >signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, >and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, >and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my >speakers than you will. > >But I will give you this: You will have some impressive looking graphs. > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems >http://marc.stager.com/ > >-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > >>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:32 -0400 >>From: Ron >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >>Yes, Kermit, I completely missed your point. Here's why... >> >>You state your objective is sound reproduction that is >>the closest possible to the original. If so, you must >>accept that the equipment should have as little sonic >>effect as possible; IOW, it should not have a sound of >>it's own and output should be an accurate replica of the >>input. >> >> >>Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> > I use the same definition of "better" sound as Bell Labs did: the more >>a >> > reproduced recording sounds like a live performance appearing before >> > you, the better the sound. When you get to the point that you can make >>a >> > recording and playback so good that no one can tell the difference >> > between it and a live instrument, then you achieved the "best" sound. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Oct 26 10:27:17 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:27:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051025165126.029f4630@stager.com> Message-ID: Hellp Marc The trouble here is with stating that your own particular version of what sounds "good" is a superior way to judge the output of a sound reproduction system. The problem with any subjective view is that it is just that, subjective. Take statements such as "under the circumstances that I listen to music in a particular location at a specific time of day, with x amount of time in silence before hand, with my ears freshly syringed, y ml of good malt whisky consumed, head at z degrees inclination a combination of xyz sound source through abc amplifier using def interconnects and ghk speakers at j degress centigrade and k percent relative humidity" turns out rather long winded, but I have been assured by different people at different times that all the foregoing parameters make a difference to their listening. I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a cd onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer sound. Using test equipment does at least establish a reproduceable standard where Joe in New York can compare equipment with Jeff in London. As soon as you start using words like warmth, pleasing distortion etc. are you not actually saying that you are adjusting the perceived sound to your own subjective tastes. There is nothing wrong with "adjusting" the components in a hi fi system to suit your tastes, indeed that is why we buy them, but isnt selecting different components to give a particular result tantamount to tweaking the tone control? Bearing the foregoing in mind, is it not the case that subjectivity is the very reason there is a need for some "magic" in the recording process, but if my child's life depended on an accurate measurement, then solid state would be my choice. Just my own subjective ramblings of course. Regards Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 25 October 2005 22:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox snip ------ So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than you will. snip ----- From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 26 11:22:10 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:22:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c5da0e$bf6d3610$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well said Doug, But surely that is why we buy and listen to music; to be thrilled at hearing it in our own home. Whether or not that thrill is increased by "knowing" that your equipment and environment produce exactly the same sounds that the recording engineer did when producing his final tape is down to each individual. I have spent many hours trying to make a tape/cassette recording sound as close to the original as possible and yet when I have heard the same piece of music on other equipment it still gives as much pleasure, whether or not it sounded like my recording. We often forget the most important reason for playing music; to listen to the music that gives us pleasure. Whatever our preferences for reproducing that music is irrelevant, just as our own musical tastes differ, so does perceived music reproduction. In other words there is no "best for all" reproduction system, though some may please a larger number of people than others. On the other hand, if you are a technician striving for recorded accuracy of the original sound source (and here I mean stage or studio, inside or outside), one assumes a different hat to the home listener. Thus we are always going to have differing opinions as what sounds right when technicians and home enthusiasts get together. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 26 October 2005 09:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox Hellp Marc The trouble here is with stating that your own particular version of what sounds "good" is a superior way to judge the output of a sound reproduction system. The problem with any subjective view is that it is just that, subjective. Take statements such as "under the circumstances that I listen to music in a particular location at a specific time of day, with x amount of time in silence before hand, with my ears freshly syringed, y ml of good malt whisky consumed, head at z degrees inclination a combination of xyz sound source through abc amplifier using def interconnects and ghk speakers at j degress centigrade and k percent relative humidity" turns out rather long winded, but I have been assured by different people at different times that all the foregoing parameters make a difference to their listening. I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a cd onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer sound. Using test equipment does at least establish a reproduceable standard where Joe in New York can compare equipment with Jeff in London. As soon as you start using words like warmth, pleasing distortion etc. are you not actually saying that you are adjusting the perceived sound to your own subjective tastes. There is nothing wrong with "adjusting" the components in a hi fi system to suit your tastes, indeed that is why we buy them, but isnt selecting different components to give a particular result tantamount to tweaking the tone control? Bearing the foregoing in mind, is it not the case that subjectivity is the very reason there is a need for some "magic" in the recording process, but if my child's life depended on an accurate measurement, then solid state would be my choice. Just my own subjective ramblings of course. Regards Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 25 October 2005 22:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox snip ------ So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than you will. snip ----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 26 15:46:33 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:46:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051025165126.029f4630@stager.com> References: <200510252036.j9PKZJJu004898@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20051025165126.029f4630@stager.com> Message-ID: <435F88B9.3040708@rcn.com> Marc Stager wrote: > The Paradox: > > Ron, you assume a conclusion that is scientifically correct but > aesthetically flawed. LOL... Reminds me of Microsoft help files (technically correct, but totally useless). > To achieve sound reproduction as close as possible to the original, > the purest, most accurate, most exact replica of the original signal > may not be the most musically pleasing to the ear. In that case, the original performance shouldn't have been pleasing to the ear, either. > If we are to assume that the point of high fidelity audio is to enjoy a > pleasurable listening experience, sterile, lifeless reproduction will not > get you there. You're assuming that faithfully reproducing the original performance will produce sterile, lifeless sound. Why? > The most natural, realistic, reproduction of a female > vocal, this particular example that of Peggy Lee from tapes I made > from the board when I worked with her during a month long gig at the > NY Hilton in '92, came from a single-ended Ongaku amplifier feeding > a pair of KEF 105's (top only, above 400 Hz - speakers were bi-amped). > The distortion graph for this $80,000 amplifier read 5% HD at 35 watts > per channel, almost all second-order distortion. > > So why is this measurement nightmare such a musical wet-dream? > I suggest that it replaces some of the harmonics of the music which > were lost in it's long trip from the studio to my speakers with > a little second order distortion, which, as opposed to odd-order > distortion, makes music sound sweeter, more alive, perhaps a bit > over saturated, like a Kodachrome slide, but truly beautiful. A good > solid state amplifier is sterile and accurate, but boring. Incidentally, > I use solid state for the bass portion of the bi-amped speakers. Here > I want a fast, powerful reproduction. > > Why do recordings, from the 50's - jazz, classics, big bands recordings > sound so natural? The brass, bass, even the drums, though rolled off > have a realism that digital recordings just can't understand. Is it the old > tube electronics, those incredible sounding old Ampex tape machines? > Tube cutting amplifiers? Probably all the above plus simple microphone > techniques which captured the balance and depth of the instruments > in the studio, and were recorded without compression and minimal, > if any, EQ. > > Any engineer with a decent ear will choose his microphones not > for a flat, measurement-quality frequency response, but for what > will suit a particular instrument best. The legendary Neumann U-47, > probably the most coveted vocal mic in history, used by artists from > Sinatra to the Beatles, has a smooth 6 dB rise peaking at 9K giving > it a magical presence. Furthermore, every instrument and vocal is > seasoned with eq and compression, often excessively so, on its > way to the master tape or hard drive. > > So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image > reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is > already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing > distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? If every CD (and presumably, every LP, cassette, DAT, DVD, et al) is already mangled, we must assume each is mangled in different way (there are a zillion ways to mangle sound, only one way to record it accurately). So, which recording do you tune your system to compensate for? Or, do you own a multitude of systems, each tuned for a particular recording? None of which will be High Fidelity, or *any* fidelity... The truth is that subjectivists dot not strive to compensate for mangled recordings, poor concert halls or the like. They simply strive for sound that will satisfy their ears, disregarding fidelity. There is nothing wrong with that, but please do not claim that this is superiour sound reproduction and that accurate reproduction is lifeless and boring. > So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art > signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, > and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, > and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my > speakers than you will. You will probably lose. I have no way to measure your enjoyment, nor can you measure mine. > But I will give you this: You will have some impressive looking graphs. Gee, you started so well, then had to resort to this... Go and post on the audio NGs, where snide slurs are the norm. Good luck. -- Ron > > ____________ Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems > http://marc.stager.com/ > > -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > >> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:32 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics >> >> Yes, Kermit, I completely missed your point. Here's why... >> >> You state your objective is sound reproduction that is >> the closest possible to the original. If so, you must >> accept that the equipment should have as little sonic >> effect as possible; IOW, it should not have a sound of >> it's own and output should be an accurate replica of the >> input. >> >> >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> > I use the same definition of "better" sound as Bell Labs did: the >> more a >> > reproduced recording sounds like a live performance appearing before >> > you, the better the sound. When you get to the point that you can >> make a >> > recording and playback so good that no one can tell the difference >> > between it and a live instrument, then you achieved the "best" sound. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 17:22:59 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: <435F88B9.3040708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051026152300.62568.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Because our ears have eardrums and not BNC terminals, we can't accept just techinically perfect sound. We need character, we need some sonic signature. Ultimately, our equipment are like musical instruments themselves, because they are voiced and tuned to a particular music signature. Pretty much like a Ferrari having its own sound and feel and handling, my McIntosh has its own sound. Because I am a human being sensitive to taste, emotions, bias and opinions, I need some character in the music I hear. Tubes, and tape give me the character I need. Bala --- Ron wrote: > Marc Stager wrote: > > The Paradox: > > > > Ron, you assume a conclusion that is > scientifically correct but > > aesthetically flawed. > > LOL... Reminds me of Microsoft help files > (technically > correct, but totally useless). > > > To achieve sound reproduction as close as possible > to the original, > > the purest, most accurate, most exact replica of > the original signal > > may not be the most musically pleasing to the ear. > > In that case, the original performance shouldn't > have > been pleasing to the ear, either. > > > If we are to assume that the point of high > fidelity audio is to enjoy a > > pleasurable listening experience, sterile, > lifeless reproduction will not > > get you there. > > You're assuming that faithfully reproducing the > original > performance will produce sterile, lifeless sound. > Why? > > > The most natural, realistic, reproduction of a > female > > vocal, this particular example that of Peggy Lee > from tapes I made > > from the board when I worked with her during a > month long gig at the > > NY Hilton in '92, came from a single-ended Ongaku > amplifier feeding > > a pair of KEF 105's (top only, above 400 Hz - > speakers were bi-amped). > > The distortion graph for this $80,000 amplifier > read 5% HD at 35 watts > > per channel, almost all second-order distortion. > > > > So why is this measurement nightmare such a > musical wet-dream? > > I suggest that it replaces some of the harmonics > of the music which > > were lost in it's long trip from the studio to my > speakers with > > a little second order distortion, which, as > opposed to odd-order > > distortion, makes music sound sweeter, more alive, > perhaps a bit > > over saturated, like a Kodachrome slide, but truly > beautiful. A good > > solid state amplifier is sterile and accurate, but > boring. Incidentally, > > I use solid state for the bass portion of the > bi-amped speakers. Here > > I want a fast, powerful reproduction. > > > > Why do recordings, from the 50's - jazz, classics, > big bands recordings > > sound so natural? The brass, bass, even the drums, > though rolled off > > have a realism that digital recordings just can't > understand. Is it the old > > tube electronics, those incredible sounding old > Ampex tape machines? > > Tube cutting amplifiers? Probably all the above > plus simple microphone > > techniques which captured the balance and depth of > the instruments > > in the studio, and were recorded without > compression and minimal, > > if any, EQ. > > > > Any engineer with a decent ear will choose his > microphones not > > for a flat, measurement-quality frequency > response, but for what > > will suit a particular instrument best. The > legendary Neumann U-47, > > probably the most coveted vocal mic in history, > used by artists from > > Sinatra to the Beatles, has a smooth 6 dB rise > peaking at 9K giving > > it a magical presence. Furthermore, every > instrument and vocal is > > seasoned with eq and compression, often > excessively so, on its > > way to the master tape or hard drive. > > > > So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead > perfect, mirror-image > > reproduction in the playback path when the > original performance is > > already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a > little pleasing > > distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make > it music to the ear? > > If every CD (and presumably, every LP, cassette, > DAT, > DVD, et al) is already mangled, we must assume each > is > mangled in different way (there are a zillion ways > to > mangle sound, only one way to record it accurately). > > So, which recording do you tune your system to > compensate for? Or, do you own a multitude of > systems, each tuned for a particular recording? None > of which will be High Fidelity, or *any* fidelity... > > The truth is that subjectivists dot not strive to > compensate for mangled recordings, poor concert > halls > or the like. They simply strive for sound that will > satisfy their ears, disregarding fidelity. > > There is nothing wrong with that, but please do not > claim that this is superiour sound reproduction and > that accurate reproduction is lifeless and boring. > > > So Ron, you play these through what you consider a > state of the art > > signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right > of the decimal point, > > and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh > MC-40's, Marantz 7C, > > and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music > coming through my > > speakers than you will. > > You will probably lose. I have no way to measure > your > enjoyment, nor can you measure mine. > > > But I will give you this: You will have some > impressive looking graphs. > > Gee, you started so well, then had to resort to > this... > Go and post on the audio NGs, where snide slurs are > the > norm. Good luck. > > -- Ron > > > > > > ____________ Marc Stager > > Stager Sound Systems > > http://marc.stager.com/ > > > > > -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > > > >> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:32 -0400 > >> From: Ron > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics > >> > >> Yes, Kermit, I completely missed your point. > Here's why... > >> > >> You state your objective is sound reproduction > that is > >> the closest possible to the original. If so, you > must > >> accept that the equipment should have as little > sonic > >> effect as possible; IOW, it should not have a > sound of > >> it's own and output should be an accurate replica > of the > >> input. > >> > >> > >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> > I use the same definition of "better" sound as > Bell Labs did: the > >> more a > >> > reproduced recording sounds like a live > performance appearing before > >> > you, the better the sound. When you get to the > point that you can > >> make a > >> > recording and playback so good that no one can > tell the difference > >> > between it and a live instrument, then you > achieved the "best" sound. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 26 13:16:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:16:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: <000a01c5da0e$bf6d3610$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <002501c5da1e$b04ae6e0$f6b087d9@oemcomputer> As a musician (albeit and amateur one) my thrill is not so much the music as hearing the instruments being reproduced accurately. Piano rarely is. So, when it is, I get the goose-bumps sensation! My old Quad set up (44 and 2 x mono 405s) could hack it, my Eico ST70 (using EL34s) came very close, and my old Sudgen A21, on both times using either my ancient Lenco L78 or the slightly newer Oracle Delphi II. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 26 October 2005 10:22 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > Well said Doug, > > But surely that is why we buy and listen to music; to be thrilled > at hearing > it in our own home. Whether or not that thrill is increased by "knowing" > that your equipment and environment produce exactly the same > sounds that the > recording engineer did when producing his final tape is down to each > individual. I have spent many hours trying to make a > tape/cassette recording > sound as close to the original as possible and yet when I have heard the > same piece of music on other equipment it still gives as much pleasure, > whether or not it sounded like my recording. We often forget the most > important reason for playing music; to listen to the music that gives us > pleasure. Whatever our preferences for reproducing that music is > irrelevant, > just as our own musical tastes differ, so does perceived music > reproduction. > In other words there is no "best for all" reproduction system, though some > may please a larger number of people than others. On the other > hand, if you > are a technician striving for recorded accuracy of the original > sound source > (and here I mean stage or studio, inside or outside), one assumes a > different hat to the home listener. Thus we are always going to have > differing opinions as what sounds right when technicians and home > enthusiasts get together. > > Shaun > From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Oct 26 14:54:51 2005 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:54:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member References: Message-ID: <001901c5da2c$750b05c0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren AV32 Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error message DC Input Offset. The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, so as the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR and FL of these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since as I don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause the error message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could offer some explanation? Regards. Andy Dublin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > Hi Andy! > > God...bless you!!!! > > Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > > > >MessageShaun > > > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high end hi-fi > >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > > > >Regards. > > > >Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Andy, > > > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does > >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and > >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of > >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced > >and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider > >whether it is worth it. > > > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in > >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it > >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all > >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but > >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell > >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum > >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Shaun > > > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds > >fantastic. > > > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus > >labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck > >serviced at the same time! > > > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother > >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > > > Regards. > > > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Welcome to our home! > > > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, > >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast > >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down > >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board > >US power supply with a UK one? > > > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > > To: Nak > > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Hi to you all. > > > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the > >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I > >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and > >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I > >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the > >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts > >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the > >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch > >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now > >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X > >100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the > >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I > >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder > >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF > >super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to > >suit the LP I am recording. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 26 17:46:18 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:46:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox Message-ID: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> Hi Guys, Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer up good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or tubes. So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. Starting with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they are all tools to bring the music back to life. It really does not matter to me in the least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I want to hold back tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to rip another chord that brings back memories of the live events I have witnessed. I think on the whole, better measuring gear usually sounds better. But what to measure?? For example, I play drums. I have played them for nearly 35 years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds when taped lightly with a nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor directly with my Sennheiser HD 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) it sounds excellent. It sounds real. When I monitor from the output of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It is not right. The decay is not there, the proper shimmer is not there. Now I don't have state of the art digital gear, so this is part of the problem. I have heard cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, but still not as good as just going direct to the board. I don't have a SACD recorder. But, when I switch between direct and playback with my analog reel to reel ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As a matter of fact , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it just in no way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my analog gear to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that would get me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, sometimes after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than the band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But less is more here, for sure. OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase could have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, better recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now have what we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my home system. I play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car etc... If I got it right, it will sound decent on all the different systems. But now, which system sounds the most like a band playing live music. Well of course my big home stereo. And often it sounds better than we ever did in the home studio. I make a cd from the master tape as well. The cd does not even come close to sounding like the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon does. My Dat machine makes a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. So 16/44 does not cut it at my house. That is the digital standard, and I think it sucks. So that is where digital ends at my house until I get a SACD recorder or something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever the best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a Mark Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged into mono blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end solid state gear to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had a pair of Hales Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well indeed. I sold them. Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was visiting a friends home, and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia cd player, using a lesser pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) but used a Quicksilver tube amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 seconds into a song sung by Bille Holiday, I knew my system sucked. And it sucked bad. I was hearing music, not a stereo. I was getting goosebumps on top of goosebumps. Something about his system was getting her voice right. Everything was falling into place musically. So crap, my state of the art solid state stereo is not getting the best that cd has to offer. So I starting studying tubes. I had been told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the highs, they muck up the midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went looking for tubes known to have excellent specs as well as sound excellent. I ended up buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT Ultimate preamp. Funny thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam and dynamics for the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better dynamics, better bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise floor! And the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. Tubes can make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still up to the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never heard any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube systems musically. Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube preamp does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O turntable and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a closet. Well, this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when I heard the music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and pops, etc.. the music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up till the sun came back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high end table. A Basis Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi cartridge, Walker motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on vinyl playback. But I hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record cleaning machine. It is a hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I hardly ever have to clean the same record again. Excellent vinyl cut from the master tape just pretty much sounds like a killer analog tape machine playing with this system. So of all my sources, what sounds best? My masters duped directly from my Tascam but the musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, direct to disk recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. To hear Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in the late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the first time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost here with solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's cut from DSD masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very good. Getting real close to that analog sound with no noise. There is hope! There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, breathing music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it still sounds like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even some SACD's remind me of the back ground music being played through the PA before the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play on the Nak, and the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog recorders are a hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best way to bring old Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... Ken From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 26 20:22:37 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:22:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <001901c5da2c$750b05c0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> References: <001901c5da2c$750b05c0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <435FC96D.1030304@rcn.com> Andy's E-Mail wrote: > When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren AV32 > Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error message DC > Input Offset. > > The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, so as > the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR and FL of > these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since as I > don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause the error > message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could offer some > explanation? Quite possibly. The CR-7 has no coupling caps on the outputs. That's a good thing, but if the output amps have a high offset or bad supply feeds, there will be DC present at the output pins. Luckily for you, your amp detected it and prevented damage. To verify, measure the CR-7 output pins with a DC voltmeter. Anything over a few mV (millivolt = 1/1000 of a Volt) indicates a fault with the CR-7. In that case, I recommend that you do not turn it on again until repair. -- Ron > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cozac" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > >>Hi Andy! >> >>God...bless you!!!! >> >>Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Andy's E-Mail" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member >>>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 >>> >>>MessageShaun >>> >>>Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high end hi-fi >>>costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! >>> >>>Regards. >>> >>>Andy >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Shaun Montgomery >>> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member >>> >>> >>> Andy, >>> >>> At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it > > does > >>>an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item > > and > >>>it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability > > of > >>>changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 > > serviced > >>>and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider >>>whether it is worth it. >>> >>> At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album > > in > >>>my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it >>>sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all >>>those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years > > but > >>>it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on > > Maxell > >>>II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum >>>sealed) in a rash moment!. >>> >>> Shaun >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>>Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail >>> Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member >>> >>> >>> Shaun >>> >>> I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it > > sounds > >>>fantastic. >>> >>> B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus >>>labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck >>>serviced at the same time! >>> >>> The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't > > bother > >>>to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Andy >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Shaun Montgomery >>> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member >>> >>> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> Welcome to our home! >>> >>> It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if > > so, > >>>like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast >>>(weather wet and windy at present!). >>> >>> At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down >>>transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on > > board > >>>US power supply with a UK one? >>> >>> Shaun >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>>On Behalf Of Colin Marsh >>> Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 >>> To: Nak >>> Subject: [naktalk] New Member >>> >>> >>> Hi to you all. >>> >>> I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the >>>owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I >>>decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" > > and > >>>maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I >>>need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of > > the > >>>other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my > > efforts > >>>into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the >>>ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a > > batch > >>>of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now >>>rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X >>>100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the >>>only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I >>>was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder >>>with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF >>>super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes > > to > >>>suit the LP I am recording. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Mike From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 26 20:59:41 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:59:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> References: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> Ken, Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. For example, THD, while important, can be all but meaningless. It says nothing about the overall distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very irritating , even in small amounts, while a second harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. Yet both are hidden in the THD number. For these reasons, published specs can often be misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, one should read them, but also keep in mind their limitations. That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, that plays tricks no test gear can. My own preference is still as much of the specs that I can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala listen for, are two completely different things... -- Ron Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer up > good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or tubes. > So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. Starting > with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they are all tools > to bring the music back to life. It really does not matter to me in the > least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I want to hold back > tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to rip another chord that > brings back memories of the live events I have witnessed. I think on the > whole, better measuring gear usually sounds better. But what to > measure?? For example, I play drums. I have played them for nearly 35 > years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds when taped lightly with a > nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor directly with my Sennheiser HD > 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) it sounds excellent. It sounds > real. When I monitor from the output of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It > is not right. The decay is not there, the proper shimmer is not there. > Now I don't have state of the art digital gear, so this is part of the > problem. I have heard cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, > but still not as good as just going direct to the board. I don't have a > SACD recorder. But, when I switch between direct and playback with my > analog reel to reel ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As > a matter of fact , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it > just in no way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my > analog gear to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that > would get me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, > sometimes after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than > the band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > less is more here, for sure. > > OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase could > have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, better > recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now have what > we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my home system. I > play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car etc... If I got it > right, it will sound decent on all the different systems. But now, which > system sounds the most like a band playing live music. Well of course my > big home stereo. And often it sounds better than we ever did in the home > studio. I make a cd from the master tape as well. The cd does not even > come close to sounding like the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon > does. My Dat machine makes a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. > So 16/44 does not cut it at my house. That is the digital standard, and > I think it sucks. So that is where digital ends at my house until I get > a SACD recorder or something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > > Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever the > best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a Mark > Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged into mono > blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end solid state gear > to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had a pair of Hales > Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well indeed. I sold them. > Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was visiting a friends home, > and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia cd player, using a lesser > pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) but used a Quicksilver tube > amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 seconds into a song sung by Bille > Holiday, I knew my system sucked. And it sucked bad. I was hearing > music, not a stereo. I was getting goosebumps on top of goosebumps. > Something about his system was getting her voice right. Everything was > falling into place musically. So crap, my state of the art solid state > stereo is not getting the best that cd has to offer. So I starting > studying tubes. I had been told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the > highs, they muck up the midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went > looking for tubes known to have excellent specs as well as sound > excellent. I ended up buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT > Ultimate preamp. Funny thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam > and dynamics for the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better > dynamics, better bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise > floor! And the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. > Tubes can make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still > up to the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never > heard any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube > systems musically. > > Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube preamp > does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O turntable > and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a closet. Well, > this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when I heard the > music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and pops, etc.. the > music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up till the sun came > back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high end table. A Basis > Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi cartridge, Walker > motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on vinyl playback. But I > hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record cleaning machine. It is a > hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I hardly ever have to clean the > same record again. Excellent vinyl cut from the master tape just pretty > much sounds like a killer analog tape machine playing with this system. > So of all my sources, what sounds best? My masters duped directly from > my Tascam but the musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, > direct to disk recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. > To hear Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in > the late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the first > time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost here with > solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's cut from DSD > masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very good. Getting real > close to that analog sound with no noise. There is hope! > > There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, breathing > music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it still sounds > like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even some SACD's > remind me of the back ground music being played through the PA before > the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play on the Nak, and > the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog recorders are a > hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best way to bring old > Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > > Ken From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 23:32:35 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <001901c5da2c$750b05c0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <20051026213235.74135.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My new BX-300 has a slight DC offset on one of it's outputs. Only about 30mv, but, that was 30mv highier than the other channel. I was going to replace the output opamp for that channel, but, never got around to it. If I remember correctly I looked at the schematic and there was a cap before the final amp so it had to be that one op-amp, or the capacitor was bad. My power amps all had DC blocking caps so it never an issue. SJ --- Andy's E-Mail wrote: > When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren > AV32 > Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error > message DC > Input Offset. > > The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, > so as > the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR > and FL of > these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since > as I > don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause > the error > message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could > offer some > explanation? > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cozac" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > Hi Andy! > > > > God...bless you!!!! > > > > Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > > > > > >MessageShaun > > > > > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high > end hi-fi > > >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > >Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > > > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer > and it > does > > >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for > another item > and > > >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the > possibility/viability > of > > >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my > BX-300 > serviced > > >and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to > consider > > >whether it is worth it. > > > > > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were > Here Album > in > > >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say > that it > > >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had > made all > > >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the > years > but > > >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C > on > Maxell > > >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed > master, vacuum > > >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > > > > > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > > > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and > it > sounds > > >fantastic. > > > > > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 > plus > > >labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the > deck > > >serviced at the same time! > > > > > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I > didn't > bother > > >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > Welcome to our home! > > > > > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the > UK, if > so, > > >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the > south coast > > >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > > > > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a > step-down > > >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace > the on > board > > >US power supply with a UK one? > > > > > > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > > >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > > > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > > > To: Nak > > > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > Hi to you all. > > > > > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and > as the > > >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken > Dragon!) I > > >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's > in "82" > and > > >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and > calibration tapes I > > >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to > some of > the > > >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating > my > efforts > > >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite > Nak, the > > >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction > for a > batch > > >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x > SAX90's (now > > >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 > Boots 3 X > > >100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and > I was the > > >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own > cassettes, I > > >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette > tape winder > > >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 > pankakes === message truncated === __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 26 20:09:06 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:09:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox In-Reply-To: <000a01c5da0e$bf6d3610$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Shaun: Very well said, that's the way I feel too. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:22 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox Well said Doug, But surely that is why we buy and listen to music; to be thrilled at hearing it in our own home. Whether or not that thrill is increased by "knowing" that your equipment and environment produce exactly the same sounds that the recording engineer did when producing his final tape is down to each individual. I have spent many hours trying to make a tape/cassette recording sound as close to the original as possible and yet when I have heard the same piece of music on other equipment it still gives as much pleasure, whether or not it sounded like my recording. We often forget the most important reason for playing music; to listen to the music that gives us pleasure. Whatever our preferences for reproducing that music is irrelevant, just as our own musical tastes differ, so does perceived music reproduction. In other words there is no "best for all" reproduction system, though some may please a larger number of people than others. On the other hand, if you are a technician striving for recorded accuracy of the original sound source (and here I mean stage or studio, inside or outside), one assumes a different hat to the home listener. Thus we are always going to have differing opinions as what sounds right when technicians and home enthusiasts get together. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 26 October 2005 09:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox Hellp Marc The trouble here is with stating that your own particular version of what sounds "good" is a superior way to judge the output of a sound reproduction system. The problem with any subjective view is that it is just that, subjective. Take statements such as "under the circumstances that I listen to music in a particular location at a specific time of day, with x amount of time in silence before hand, with my ears freshly syringed, y ml of good malt whisky consumed, head at z degrees inclination a combination of xyz sound source through abc amplifier using def interconnects and ghk speakers at j degress centigrade and k percent relative humidity" turns out rather long winded, but I have been assured by different people at different times that all the foregoing parameters make a difference to their listening. I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a cd onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer sound. Using test equipment does at least establish a reproduceable standard where Joe in New York can compare equipment with Jeff in London. As soon as you start using words like warmth, pleasing distortion etc. are you not actually saying that you are adjusting the perceived sound to your own subjective tastes. There is nothing wrong with "adjusting" the components in a hi fi system to suit your tastes, indeed that is why we buy them, but isnt selecting different components to give a particular result tantamount to tweaking the tone control? Bearing the foregoing in mind, is it not the case that subjectivity is the very reason there is a need for some "magic" in the recording process, but if my child's life depended on an accurate measurement, then solid state would be my choice. Just my own subjective ramblings of course. Regards Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 25 October 2005 22:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox snip ------ So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than you will. snip ----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 26 22:26:06 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:26:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> References: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> Message-ID: <435FE65E.60904@yahoo.ca> Tubes have more THD, so what? As long as it's not annoying, where's the problem? Specs are in no way useful. The tests are never done the same way. So maybe the specs of an amp will be worse if done by an other company. Some examples: Do you think I trust the 600W wrote on my Sony home theater's box? NO, it pulls out 200W off the outlet. I can hope approx. 200w x 0.6 = 120w peak power from it. One of my amps(Twin Powered hk670) is told to have under-specs for wattage. It's done both channels at the time and it's not peak power. It's my best amp also. Often, vintage solid state sounds better than new amps. Testing both channels at the same time is not telling much as each channel have their own transformer winding. -- I just wonder how my EICO HF-12 tube amps will sound once restored with new parts ... For now, there's so much noise in the preamp that you don't ear quiet parts. Some resistors turned 20% out of spec with time... I just started listening to Pink Floyd and I don't want to get CDs as I'm afraid that I'll just spend money for crap. Maybe I should get it in SACD or LP edition? Even if I get an analog version, I can convert it to CD and I might be able to get something pretty much like the real one. Also CDs depend a lot on the DAC. I'm planning to build a DAC for a couple of time. Ron a écrit : > Ken, > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > limitations. > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > listen for, are two completely different things... > > -- Ron > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer >> up good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or >> tubes. So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. >> Starting with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they >> are all tools to bring the music back to life. It really does not >> matter to me in the least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I >> want to hold back tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to >> rip another chord that brings back memories of the live events I have >> witnessed. I think on the whole, better measuring gear usually sounds >> better. But what to measure?? For example, I play drums. I have >> played them for nearly 35 years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds >> when taped lightly with a nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor >> directly with my Sennheiser HD 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) >> it sounds excellent. It sounds real. When I monitor from the output >> of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It is not right. The decay is not >> there, the proper shimmer is not there. Now I don't have state of the >> art digital gear, so this is part of the problem. I have heard >> cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, but still not as good >> as just going direct to the board. I don't have a SACD recorder. But, >> when I switch between direct and playback with my analog reel to reel >> ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As a matter of fact >> , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it just in no >> way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my analog gear >> to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that would get >> me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, sometimes >> after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than the >> band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, >> some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But >> less is more here, for sure. >> >> OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase >> could have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, >> better recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now >> have what we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my >> home system. I play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car >> etc... If I got it right, it will sound decent on all the different >> systems. But now, which system sounds the most like a band playing >> live music. Well of course my big home stereo. And often it sounds >> better than we ever did in the home studio. I make a cd from the >> master tape as well. The cd does not even come close to sounding like >> the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon does. My Dat machine makes >> a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. So 16/44 does not cut it >> at my house. That is the digital standard, and I think it sucks. So >> that is where digital ends at my house until I get a SACD recorder or >> something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. >> >> Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever >> the best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a >> Mark Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged >> into mono blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end >> solid state gear to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had >> a pair of Hales Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well >> indeed. I sold them. Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was >> visiting a friends home, and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia >> cd player, using a lesser pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) >> but used a Quicksilver tube amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 >> seconds into a song sung by Bille Holiday, I knew my system sucked. >> And it sucked bad. I was hearing music, not a stereo. I was getting >> goosebumps on top of goosebumps. Something about his system was >> getting her voice right. Everything was falling into place musically. >> So crap, my state of the art solid state stereo is not getting the >> best that cd has to offer. So I starting studying tubes. I had been >> told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the highs, they muck up the >> midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went looking for tubes >> known to have excellent specs as well as sound excellent. I ended up >> buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT Ultimate preamp. Funny >> thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam and dynamics for >> the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better dynamics, better >> bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise floor! And >> the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. Tubes can >> make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still up to >> the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never heard >> any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube systems >> musically. >> >> Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a >> brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube >> preamp does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O >> turntable and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a >> closet. Well, this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when >> I heard the music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and >> pops, etc.. the music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up >> till the sun came back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high >> end table. A Basis Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi >> cartridge, Walker motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on >> vinyl playback. But I hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record >> cleaning machine. It is a hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I >> hardly ever have to clean the same record again. Excellent vinyl cut >> from the master tape just pretty much sounds like a killer analog >> tape machine playing with this system. So of all my sources, what >> sounds best? My masters duped directly from my Tascam but the >> musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, direct to disk >> recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. To hear >> Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in the >> late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear >> such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and >> touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and >> decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the >> first time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost >> here with solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's >> cut from DSD masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very >> good. Getting real close to that analog sound with no noise. There is >> hope! >> >> There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube >> recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, >> breathing music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it >> still sounds like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even >> some SACD's remind me of the back ground music being played through >> the PA before the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play >> on the Nak, and the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog >> recorders are a hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best >> way to bring old Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... >> >> Ken > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 23:33:25 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:33:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <001901c5da2c$750b05c0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: Hi Andy, How have you setup your AV32R? I use my CR-7 through the tape inouts and have no such problems with DC offset. Also, what interconnects are you using? When you go thru the setup wizard, check to see what settings you've assigned for the tape inputs on the AV32R. Incidentally, what software version are you running? Is your AV32R a SP or DP? Kelvin. >From: "Andy's E-Mail" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:54:51 +0100 > >When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren AV32 >Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error message DC >Input Offset. > >The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, so as >the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR and FL of >these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since as I >don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > >I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause the error >message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could offer some >explanation? > >Regards. > >Andy >Dublin From rob at rhoag.com Wed Oct 26 23:34:50 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pinch rollers. Message-ID: OK, thanks, I see now. They have a sort of tension/thrust spring on thier pivot points. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 27 00:16:41 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:16:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> References: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43600049.9070907@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, I feel like I'm having a psychotic episode reading your message. THIS is a large part of what I've been saying! Glad to see you agree! Ron wrote: > Ken, > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. Correct. > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. Correct. > For these reasons, published specs can often be > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > limitations. Correct! Plus there are many more reasons too! > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > that plays tricks no test gear can. Well, I agree with the ideal, but the "truthful spec" hasn't been invented yet. Maybe soon, who knows. What IS a truthful spec? I can see it now, "I, the Xargon 1200 Distortion Meter, do solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God." Perhaps measuring Transient Intermodulation Distortion (TIM) consistently and correlating it with known listener-perception characteristics is a good start. But which form of TIM? So far, I've been able to document seven forms (sub-types, if you will,) of this very elusive -- and hard to quantify -- phenomenon. Sighted listening tests? Let me have a drag on what you're smokin' ... I hear with my ears, not my eyes. I'm joking, I know what you meant. Listening tests should be the final arbiter of quality, unless the equipment has been designed to be listened to only by test equipment and not humans. The trick will be if a measurement protocol can be developed that correlates with the results of properly administered double-blind listening tests. Which is the crux of the problem. How does one measure ANY human sensory perception with absolute accuracy, with the occasional exception such as astigmatism or visual acuity? This is why I've been saying I design to satisfy the human ear/brain combo, but not necessarily for impressive numbers on test gear. Good to see you understand these things. My applause for you has been recorded in four-channel discrete analog quadraphonic sound, remastered on Dolby 7.1 Surround-encoded SACD. (Almost). > Needless > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > listen for, are two completely different things... Well, I listen for a recording that, when reproduced... ...seems so live and so natural that you almost feel you can reach out and touch the musicians... ...seems so realistic that you dare not move or make a sound so that you do not distract from the music, so close to the live performance that it is nearly indistinguishable FROM a live performance... ...is such that if you close your eyes it becomes nearly impossible to tell that it is a recording... ...was so involving and engrossing that when the music ends you feel a pang of loss that it's over and your suddenly thrust back into the boring "real world." The wonderful thing is that, thanks to my Naks and a plethora of other gear, both digital and analog, both tube and solid stage, both discrete and integrated, I've actually HAD these experiences, not once, not twice, but often and routinely. Although it never seems routine. So then, what are you listening to? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 27 00:32:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:32:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <435FE65E.60904@yahoo.ca> References: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> <435FE65E.60904@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4360040F.6070202@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Tubes have more THD, so what? Right! > As long as it's not annoying, where's the > problem? In the marketing literature for competing products. > Specs are in no way useful. The tests are never done the same way. So > maybe the specs of an amp will be worse if done by an other company. Specs are sometimes useful, often misleading and generally uncorrelated to human perception of reproduced sound, so... ....well... ...er... ...OK, so specs are for the most part, not useful to buyers of stereos because they are not reliable, unambiguous predictors of what the listener will hear. > I just wonder how my EICO HF-12 tube amps will sound once restored with > new parts ... For now, there's so much noise in the preamp that you > don't ear quiet parts. Some resistors turned 20% out of spec with time... You'll enjoy it. Use metal film resistors. Rebias the output tubes as well; I always felt the HF-12 was slightly overbiased. > I just started listening to Pink Floyd and I don't want to get CDs as > I'm afraid that I'll just spend money for crap. Maybe I should get it in > SACD or LP edition? Even if I get an analog version, I can convert it to > CD and I might be able to get something pretty much like the real one. Both the SACD and LP are equal quality but different sounding. If your turntable is better than your SACD player, get the LP; and vice-versa. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Oct 27 05:54:47 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:54:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox References: <200510262203.j9QM3owf008916@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002901c5daaa$2c3714f0$8902a8c0@warbird> Nice to hear there are passionate listeners out there--makes this ol' pianist feel kinda warm & fuzzy! Thank you for all the good discussion--much of it has been quite thought provoking. Like many of you, I have had an almost steady parade of gear in my home stereo in the quest for what my ears tell me is the most pleasing sound to my ears. In many ways, the whole argument can be a fool's errand when it comes to arguing what's "best". The many instruments we all love to listen to are coloured sound--that is what makes them so aesthetically pleasing. I love a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand piano far more than a Steinway or Yamaha or Baldwin 9' grand because of its colour. Mozartean purists tell me the Steinway has a more neutral and even tone through the octaves, but I prefer the stronger (imbalanced) midrange and bass of the Bosey, even for classical and baroque repertoire. I have had some epiphanies listening to recorded sound: from my Uncle Cecil's ancient 78 RPM RCA mechanical monolith listening to Pablo Casal's young recordings to a 50's vintage Tannoy mono system with a single cabinet/driver to an early Quad setup, all left me with a subjective impression of great beauty and colour. For better or for worse, a few pieces have hung around: my Otari MX-5050, my Nakamichi 500 (because it was my first deck), my humble Revolver turntable mit Grado, and some Polk Monitor 10's. I greatly enjoy my Sanktified CR-7, but know that I would dearly love to have my dream deck, a 700ZXL. To my ears, it has a sweeter sound than the 1000ZXL, although those of you with both decks may differ. But I can't drink Petrus every day--that's what makes it all the more cherished when I do. I've got ^$%#& ac line noise in my "new" Pioneer SA9500-II amp that my old NAD didn't have. Any advice? Paul P.S. Niro Nakamichi felt that using balanced lines/cables in recording detrimentally coloured the sound too much.... > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:59:41 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <435FD21D.9090507 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ken, > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > limitations. > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > listen for, are two completely different things... > > -- Ron > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer up > > good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or tubes. > > So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. Starting > > with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they are all tools > > to bring the music back to life. It really does not matter to me in the > > least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I want to hold back > > tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to rip another chord that > > brings back memories of the live events I have witnessed. I think on the > > whole, better measuring gear usually sounds better. But what to > > measure?? For example, I play drums. I have played them for nearly 35 > > years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds when taped lightly with a > > nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor directly with my Sennheiser HD > > 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) it sounds excellent. It sounds > > real. When I monitor from the output of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It > > is not right. The decay is not there, the proper shimmer is not there. > > Now I don't have state of the art digital gear, so this is part of the > > problem. I have heard cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, > > but still not as good as just going direct to the board. I don't have a > > SACD recorder. But, when I switch between direct and playback with my > > analog reel to reel ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As > > a matter of fact , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it > > just in no way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my > > analog gear to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that > > would get me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, > > sometimes after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than > > the band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > > some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > > less is more here, for sure. > > > > OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase could > > have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, better > > recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now have what > > we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my home system. I > > play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car etc... If I got it > > right, it will sound decent on all the different systems. But now, which > > system sounds the most like a band playing live music. Well of course my > > big home stereo. And often it sounds better than we ever did in the home > > studio. I make a cd from the master tape as well. The cd does not even > > come close to sounding like the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon > > does. My Dat machine makes a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. > > So 16/44 does not cut it at my house. That is the digital standard, and > > I think it sucks. So that is where digital ends at my house until I get > > a SACD recorder or something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > > > > Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever the > > best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a Mark > > Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged into mono > > blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end solid state gear > > to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had a pair of Hales > > Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well indeed. I sold them. > > Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was visiting a friends home, > > and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia cd player, using a lesser > > pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) but used a Quicksilver tube > > amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 seconds into a song sung by Bille > > Holiday, I knew my system sucked. And it sucked bad. I was hearing > > music, not a stereo. I was getting goosebumps on top of goosebumps. > > Something about his system was getting her voice right. Everything was > > falling into place musically. So crap, my state of the art solid state > > stereo is not getting the best that cd has to offer. So I starting > > studying tubes. I had been told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the > > highs, they muck up the midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went > > looking for tubes known to have excellent specs as well as sound > > excellent. I ended up buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT > > Ultimate preamp. Funny thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam > > and dynamics for the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better > > dynamics, better bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise > > floor! And the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. > > Tubes can make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still > > up to the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never > > heard any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube > > systems musically. > > > > Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > > brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube preamp > > does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O turntable > > and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a closet. Well, > > this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when I heard the > > music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and pops, etc.. the > > music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up till the sun came > > back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high end table. A Basis > > Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi cartridge, Walker > > motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on vinyl playback. But I > > hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record cleaning machine. It is a > > hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I hardly ever have to clean the > > same record again. Excellent vinyl cut from the master tape just pretty > > much sounds like a killer analog tape machine playing with this system. > > So of all my sources, what sounds best? My masters duped directly from > > my Tascam but the musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, > > direct to disk recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. > > To hear Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in > > the late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > > such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > > touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > > decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the first > > time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost here with > > solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's cut from DSD > > masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very good. Getting real > > close to that analog sound with no noise. There is hope! > > > > There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > > recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, breathing > > music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it still sounds > > like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even some SACD's > > remind me of the back ground music being played through the PA before > > the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play on the Nak, and > > the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog recorders are a > > hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best way to bring old > > Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > > > > Ken > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:32:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20051026213235.74135.qmail at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > My new BX-300 has a slight DC offset on one of it's outputs. Only > about 30mv, but, that was 30mv highier than the other channel. I was > going to replace the output opamp for that channel, but, never got > around to it. If I remember correctly I looked at the schematic and > there was a cap before the final amp so it had to be that one op-amp, > or the capacitor was bad. My power amps all had DC blocking caps so > it never an issue. > > SJ > > --- Andy's E-Mail wrote: > > > When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren > > AV32 > > Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error > > message DC > > Input Offset. > > > > The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, > > so as > > the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR > > and FL of > > these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since > > as I > > don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > > > I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause > > the error > > message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could > > offer some > > explanation? > > > > Regards. > > > > Andy > > Dublin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > Hi Andy! > > > > > > God...bless you!!!! > > > > > > Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > > > > > > > >MessageShaun > > > > > > > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high > > end hi-fi > > > >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > > > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > > >Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > > > > > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer > > and it > > does > > > >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for > > another item > > and > > > >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the > > possibility/viability > > of > > > >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my > > BX-300 > > serviced > > > >and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to > > consider > > > >whether it is worth it. > > > > > > > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were > > Here Album > > in > > > >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say > > that it > > > >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had > > made all > > > >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the > > years > > but > > > >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C > > on > > Maxell > > > >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed > > master, vacuum > > > >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > > > > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and > > it > > sounds > > > >fantastic. > > > > > > > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 > > plus > > > >labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the > > deck > > > >serviced at the same time! > > > > > > > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I > > didn't > > bother > > > >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > Welcome to our home! > > > > > > > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the > > UK, if > > so, > > > >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the > > south coast > > > >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > > > > > > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a > > step-down > > > >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace > > the on > > board > > > >US power supply with a UK one? > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > > > >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > > > > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > > > > To: Nak > > > > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi to you all. > > > > > > > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and > > as the > > > >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken > > Dragon!) I > > > >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's > > in "82" > > and > > > >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and > > calibration tapes I > > > >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to > > some of > > the > > > >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating > > my > > efforts > > > >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite > > Nak, the > > > >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction > > for a > > batch > > > >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x > > SAX90's (now > > > >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 > > Boots 3 X > > > >100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and > > I was the > > > >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own > > cassettes, I > > > >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette > > tape winder > > > >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 > > pankakes > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:09:06 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Shaun: > Very well said, that's the way I feel too. > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:22 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > Well said Doug, > > But surely that is why we buy and listen to music; to be thrilled at hearing > it in our own home. Whether or not that thrill is increased by "knowing" > that your equipment and environment produce exactly the same sounds that the > recording engineer did when producing his final tape is down to each > individual. I have spent many hours trying to make a tape/cassette recording > sound as close to the original as possible and yet when I have heard the > same piece of music on other equipment it still gives as much pleasure, > whether or not it sounded like my recording. We often forget the most > important reason for playing music; to listen to the music that gives us > pleasure. Whatever our preferences for reproducing that music is irrelevant, > just as our own musical tastes differ, so does perceived music reproduction. > In other words there is no "best for all" reproduction system, though some > may please a larger number of people than others. On the other hand, if you > are a technician striving for recorded accuracy of the original sound source > (and here I mean stage or studio, inside or outside), one assumes a > different hat to the home listener. Thus we are always going to have > differing opinions as what sounds right when technicians and home > enthusiasts get together. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Locke > Sent: 26 October 2005 09:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > Hellp Marc > > The trouble here is with stating that your own particular version of what > sounds "good" is a superior way to judge the output of a sound reproduction > system. The problem with any subjective view is that it is just that, > subjective. Take statements such as "under the circumstances that I listen > to music in a particular location at a specific time of day, with x amount > of time in silence before hand, with my ears freshly syringed, y ml of good > malt whisky consumed, head at z degrees inclination a combination of xyz > sound source through abc amplifier using def interconnects and ghk speakers > at j degress centigrade and k percent relative humidity" turns out rather > long winded, but I have been assured by different people at different times > that all the foregoing parameters make a difference to their listening. > > I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a cd > onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer > sound. > > Using test equipment does at least establish a reproduceable standard where > Joe in New York can compare equipment with Jeff in London. As soon as you > start using words like warmth, pleasing distortion etc. are you not actually > saying that you are adjusting the perceived sound to your own subjective > tastes. There is nothing wrong with "adjusting" the components in a hi fi > system to suit your tastes, indeed that is why we buy them, but isnt > selecting different components to give a particular result tantamount to > tweaking the tone control? > > Bearing the foregoing in mind, is it not the case that subjectivity is the > very reason there is a need for some "magic" in the recording process, but > if my child's life depended on an accurate measurement, then solid state > would be my choice. > > Just my own subjective ramblings of course. > Regards Doug. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Marc Stager > Sent: 25 October 2005 22:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox > > snip ------ > > So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image > reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already > hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a > touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? > > So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal > chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll > put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet > I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than you > will. > > snip ----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: doane.vcf > Type: text/x-vcard > Size: 787 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051026/3801b059/doane.vcf > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:26:06 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <435FE65E.60904 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Tubes have more THD, so what? As long as it's not annoying, where's the > problem? > > Specs are in no way useful. The tests are never done the same way. So > maybe the specs of an amp will be worse if done by an other company. > Some examples: > > Do you think I trust the 600W wrote on my Sony home theater's box? NO, > it pulls out 200W off the outlet. I can hope approx. 200w x 0.6 = 120w > peak power from it. > > One of my amps(Twin Powered hk670) is told to have under-specs for > wattage. It's done both channels at the time and it's not peak power. > It's my best amp also. Often, vintage solid state sounds better than new > amps. Testing both channels at the same time is not telling much as each > channel have their own transformer winding. > -- > > I just wonder how my EICO HF-12 tube amps will sound once restored with > new parts ... For now, there's so much noise in the preamp that you > don't ear quiet parts. Some resistors turned 20% out of spec with time... > > I just started listening to Pink Floyd and I don't want to get CDs as > I'm afraid that I'll just spend money for crap. Maybe I should get it in > SACD or LP edition? Even if I get an analog version, I can convert it to > CD and I might be able to get something pretty much like the real one. > > Also CDs depend a lot on the DAC. I'm planning to build a DAC for a > couple of time. > > Ron a écrit : > > > Ken, > > > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > > limitations. > > > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > > listen for, are two completely different things... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer > >> up good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or > >> tubes. So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. > >> Starting with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they > >> are all tools to bring the music back to life. It really does not > >> matter to me in the least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I > >> want to hold back tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to > >> rip another chord that brings back memories of the live events I have > >> witnessed. I think on the whole, better measuring gear usually sounds > >> better. But what to measure?? For example, I play drums. I have > >> played them for nearly 35 years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds > >> when taped lightly with a nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor > >> directly with my Sennheiser HD 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) > >> it sounds excellent. It sounds real. When I monitor from the output > >> of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It is not right. The decay is not > >> there, the proper shimmer is not there. Now I don't have state of the > >> art digital gear, so this is part of the problem. I have heard > >> cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, but still not as good > >> as just going direct to the board. I don't have a SACD recorder. But, > >> when I switch between direct and playback with my analog reel to reel > >> ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As a matter of fact > >> , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it just in no > >> way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my analog gear > >> to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that would get > >> me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, sometimes > >> after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than the > >> band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > >> some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > >> less is more here, for sure. > >> > >> OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase > >> could have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, > >> better recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now > >> have what we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my > >> home system. I play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car > >> etc... If I got it right, it will sound decent on all the different > >> systems. But now, which system sounds the most like a band playing > >> live music. Well of course my big home stereo. And often it sounds > >> better than we ever did in the home studio. I make a cd from the > >> master tape as well. The cd does not even come close to sounding like > >> the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon does. My Dat machine makes > >> a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. So 16/44 does not cut it > >> at my house. That is the digital standard, and I think it sucks. So > >> that is where digital ends at my house until I get a SACD recorder or > >> something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > >> > >> Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever > >> the best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a > >> Mark Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged > >> into mono blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end > >> solid state gear to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had > >> a pair of Hales Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well > >> indeed. I sold them. Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was > >> visiting a friends home, and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia > >> cd player, using a lesser pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) > >> but used a Quicksilver tube amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 > >> seconds into a song sung by Bille Holiday, I knew my system sucked. > >> And it sucked bad. I was hearing music, not a stereo. I was getting > >> goosebumps on top of goosebumps. Something about his system was > >> getting her voice right. Everything was falling into place musically. > >> So crap, my state of the art solid state stereo is not getting the > >> best that cd has to offer. So I starting studying tubes. I had been > >> told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the highs, they muck up the > >> midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went looking for tubes > >> known to have excellent specs as well as sound excellent. I ended up > >> buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT Ultimate preamp. Funny > >> thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam and dynamics for > >> the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better dynamics, better > >> bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise floor! And > >> the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. Tubes can > >> make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still up to > >> the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never heard > >> any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube systems > >> musically. > >> > >> Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > >> brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube > >> preamp does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O > >> turntable and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a > >> closet. Well, this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when > >> I heard the music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and > >> pops, etc.. the music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up > >> till the sun came back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high > >> end table. A Basis Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi > >> cartridge, Walker motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on > >> vinyl playback. But I hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record > >> cleaning machine. It is a hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I > >> hardly ever have to clean the same record again. Excellent vinyl cut > >> from the master tape just pretty much sounds like a killer analog > >> tape machine playing with this system. So of all my sources, what > >> sounds best? My masters duped directly from my Tascam but the > >> musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, direct to disk > >> recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. To hear > >> Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in the > >> late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > >> such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > >> touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > >> decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the > >> first time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost > >> here with solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's > >> cut from DSD masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very > >> good. Getting real close to that analog sound with no noise. There is > >> hope! > >> > >> There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > >> recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, > >> breathing music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it > >> still sounds like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even > >> some SACD's remind me of the back ground music being played through > >> the PA before the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play > >> on the Nak, and the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog > >> recorders are a hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best > >> way to bring old Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > >> > >> Ken > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:33:25 +0000 > From: "winnie pooh" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > Hi Andy, > > How have you setup your AV32R? I use my CR-7 through the tape inouts and > have no such problems with DC offset. Also, what interconnects are you > using? When you go thru the setup wizard, check to see what settings you've > assigned for the tape inputs on the AV32R. Incidentally, what software > version are you running? Is your AV32R a SP or DP? > > Kelvin. > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:54:51 +0100 > > > >When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren AV32 > >Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error message DC > >Input Offset. > > > >The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, so as > >the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR and FL of > >these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since as I > >don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > > >I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause the error > >message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could offer some > >explanation? > > > >Regards. > > > >Andy > >Dublin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 72 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 From backmd at comcast.net Thu Oct 27 09:34:08 2005 From: backmd at comcast.net (backmd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:34:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox Message-ID: <102720050734.15311.436082EE0004462F00003BCF22070016410B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> AC line noise? Replace the power supply capacitors! -------------- Original message -------------- > Nice to hear there are passionate listeners out there--makes this ol' > pianist feel kinda warm & fuzzy! > Thank you for all the good discussion--much of it has been quite thought > provoking. > > Like many of you, I have had an almost steady parade of gear in my home > stereo in the quest for what my ears tell me is the most pleasing sound to > my ears. In many ways, the whole argument can be a fool's errand when it > comes to arguing what's "best". > > The many instruments we all love to listen to are coloured sound--that is > what makes them so aesthetically pleasing. I love a Bosendorfer Imperial > Grand piano far more than a Steinway or Yamaha or Baldwin 9' grand > because of its colour. Mozartean purists tell me the Steinway has a more > neutral and even tone through the octaves, but I prefer the stronger > (imbalanced) midrange and bass of the Bosey, even for classical and baroque > repertoire. > > I have had some epiphanies listening to recorded sound: from my Uncle > Cecil's ancient 78 RPM RCA mechanical monolith listening to Pablo Casal's > young recordings to a 50's vintage Tannoy mono system with a single > cabinet/driver to an early Quad setup, all left me with a subjective > impression of great beauty and colour. > > For better or for worse, a few pieces have hung around: my Otari MX-5050, > my Nakamichi 500 (because it was my first deck), my humble Revolver > turntable mit Grado, and some Polk Monitor 10's. I greatly enjoy my > Sanktified CR-7, but know that I would dearly love to have my dream deck, a > 700ZXL. To my ears, it has a sweeter sound than the 1000ZXL, although those > of you with both decks may differ. But I can't drink Petrus every > day--that's what makes it all the more cherished when I do. > > I've got ^$%#& ac line noise in my "new" Pioneer SA9500-II amp that my old > NAD didn't have. Any advice? > > Paul > > P.S. Niro Nakamichi felt that using balanced lines/cables in recording > detrimentally coloured the sound too much.... > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:59:41 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <435FD21D.9090507 at rcn.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Ken, > > > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > > limitations. > > > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > > listen for, are two completely different things... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer up > > > good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or tubes. > > > So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. Starting > > > with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they are all tools > > > to bring the music back to life. It really does not matter to me in the > > > least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I want to hold back > > > tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to rip another chord that > > > brings back memories of the live events I have witnessed. I think on the > > > whole, better measuring gear usually sounds better. But what to > > > measure?? For example, I play drums. I have played them for nearly 35 > > > years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds when taped lightly with a > > > nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor directly with my Sennheiser HD > > > 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) it sounds excellent. It sounds > > > real. When I monitor from the output of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It > > > is not right. The decay is not there, the proper shimmer is not there. > > > Now I don't have state of the art digital gear, so this is part of the > > > problem. I have heard cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, > > > but still not as good as just going direct to the board. I don't have a > > > SACD recorder. But, when I switch between direct and playback with my > > > analog reel to reel ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As > > > a matter of fact , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it > > > just in no way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my > > > analog gear to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that > > > would get me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, > > > sometimes after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than > > > the band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > > > some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > > > less is more here, for sure. > > > > > > OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase could > > > have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, better > > > recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now have what > > > we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my home system. I > > > play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car etc... If I got it > > > right, it will sound decent on all the different systems. But now, which > > > system sounds the most like a band playing live music. Well of course my > > > big home stereo. And often it sounds better than we ever did in the home > > > studio. I make a cd from the master tape as well. The cd does not even > > > come close to sounding like the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon > > > does. My Dat machine makes a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. > > > So 16/44 does not cut it at my house. That is the digital standard, and > > > I think it sucks. So that is where digital ends at my house until I get > > > a SACD recorder or something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > > > > > > Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever the > > > best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a Mark > > > Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged into mono > > > blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end solid state gear > > > to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had a pair of Hales > > > Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well indeed. I sold them. > > > Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was visiting a friends home, > > > and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia cd player, using a lesser > > > pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) but used a Quicksilver tube > > > amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 seconds into a song sung by Bille > > > Holiday, I knew my system sucked. And it sucked bad. I was hearing > > > music, not a stereo. I was getting goosebumps on top of goosebumps. > > > Something about his system was getting her voice right. Everything was > > > falling into place musically. So crap, my state of the art solid state > > > stereo is not getting the best that cd has to offer. So I starting > > > studying tubes. I had been told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the > > > highs, they muck up the midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went > > > looking for tubes known to have excellent specs as well as sound > > > excellent. I ended up buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT > > > Ultimate preamp. Funny thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam > > > and dynamics for the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better > > > dynamics, better bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise > > > floor! And the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. > > > Tubes can make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still > > > up to the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never > > > heard any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube > > > systems musically. > > > > > > Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > > > brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube preamp > > > does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O turntable > > > and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a closet. Well, > > > this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when I heard the > > > music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and pops, etc.. the > > > music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up till the sun came > > > back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high end table. A Basis > > > Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi cartridge, Walker > > > motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on vinyl playback. But I > > > hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record cleaning machine. It is a > > > hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I hardly ever have to clean the > > > same record again. Excellent vinyl cut from the master tape just pretty > > > much sounds like a killer analog tape machine playing with this system. > > > So of all my sources, what sounds best? My masters duped directly from > > > my Tascam but the musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, > > > direct to disk recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. > > > To hear Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in > > > the late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > > > such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > > > touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > > > decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the first > > > time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost here with > > > solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's cut from DSD > > > masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very good. Getting real > > > close to that analog sound with no noise. There is hope! > > > > > > There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > > > recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, breathing > > > music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it still sounds > > > like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even some SACD's > > > remind me of the back ground music being played through the PA before > > > the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play on the Nak, and > > > the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog recorders are a > > > hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best way to bring old > > > Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:32:35 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <20051026213235.74135.qmail at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > My new BX-300 has a slight DC offset on one of it's outputs. Only > > about 30mv, but, that was 30mv highier than the other channel. I was > > going to replace the output opamp for that channel, but, never got > > around to it. If I remember correctly I looked at the schematic and > > there was a cap before the final amp so it had to be that one op-amp, > > or the capacitor was bad. My power amps all had DC blocking caps so > > it never an issue. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Andy's E-Mail wrote: > > > > > When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren > > > AV32 > > > Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error > > > message DC > > > Input Offset. > > > > > > The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, > > > so as > > > the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR > > > and FL of > > > these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since > > > as I > > > don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > > > > > I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause > > > the error > > > message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could > > > offer some > > > explanation? > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Andy > > > Dublin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy! > > > > > > > > God...bless you!!!! > > > > > > > > Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >MessageShaun > > > > > > > > > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high > > > end hi-fi > > > > >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > > > > > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > > > > >Andy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > > > > > > > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer > > > and it > > > does > > > > >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for > > > another item > > > and > > > > >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the > > > possibility/viability > > > of > > > > >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my > > > BX-300 > > > serviced > > > > >and gear upgraded at B & W so at �45 plus fitting I have to > > > consider > > > > >whether it is worth it. > > > > > > > > > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were > > > Here Album > > > in > > > > >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say > > > that it > > > > >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had > > > made all > > > > >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the > > > years > > > but > > > > >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C > > > on > > > Maxell > > > > >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed > > > master, vacuum > > > > >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > > >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > > > > > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and > > > it > > > sounds > > > > >fantastic. > > > > > > > > > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me �45 > > > plus > > > > >labour to fit it, or �45 with fitting free if I was to have the > > > deck > > > > >serviced at the same time! > > > > > > > > > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I > > > didn't > > > bother > > > > >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to our home! > > > > > > > > > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the > > > UK, if > > > so, > > > > >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the > > > south coast > > > > >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > > > > > > > > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a > > > step-down > > > > >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace > > > the on > > > board > > > > >US power supply with a UK one? > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > > > > >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > > > > > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > > > > > To: Nak > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi to you all. > > > > > > > > > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and > > > as the > > > > >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken > > > Dragon!) I > > > > >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's > > > in "82" > > > and > > > > >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and > > > calibration tapes I > > > > >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to > > > some of > > > the > > > > >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating > > > my > > > efforts > > > > >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite > > > Nak, the > > > > >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction > > > for a > > > batch > > > > >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x > > > SAX90's (now > > > > >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 > > > Boots 3 X > > > > >100 Chrome. I paid UK�20.00 which I think is a bargain? and > > > I was the > > > > >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own > > > cassettes, I > > > > >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette > > > tape winder > > > > >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 > > > pankakes > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:09:06 -0700 > > From: "Doane Hoag" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Shaun: > > Very well said, that's the way I feel too. > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:22 AM > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > > > > Well said Doug, > > > > But surely that is why we buy and listen to music; to be thrilled at > hearing > > it in our own home. Whether or not that thrill is increased by "knowing" > > that your equipment and environment produce exactly the same sounds that > the > > recording engineer did when producing his final tape is down to each > > individual. I have spent many hours trying to make a tape/cassette > recording > > sound as close to the original as possible and yet when I have heard the > > same piece of music on other equipment it still gives as much pleasure, > > whether or not it sounded like my recording. We often forget the most > > important reason for playing music; to listen to the music that gives us > > pleasure. Whatever our preferences for reproducing that music is > irrelevant, > > just as our own musical tastes differ, so does perceived music > reproduction. > > In other words there is no "best for all" reproduction system, though some > > may please a larger number of people than others. On the other hand, if > you > > are a technician striving for recorded accuracy of the original sound > source > > (and here I mean stage or studio, inside or outside), one assumes a > > different hat to the home listener. Thus we are always going to have > > differing opinions as what sounds right when technicians and home > > enthusiasts get together. > > > > Shaun > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Doug Locke > > Sent: 26 October 2005 09:27 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > > > > Hellp Marc > > > > The trouble here is with stating that your own particular version of what > > sounds "good" is a superior way to judge the output of a sound > reproduction > > system. The problem with any subjective view is that it is just that, > > subjective. Take statements such as "under the circumstances that I listen > > to music in a particular location at a specific time of day, with x amount > > of time in silence before hand, with my ears freshly syringed, y ml of > good > > malt whisky consumed, head at z degrees inclination a combination of xyz > > sound source through abc amplifier using def interconnects and ghk > speakers > > at j degress centigrade and k percent relative humidity" turns out rather > > long winded, but I have been assured by different people at different > times > > that all the foregoing parameters make a difference to their listening. > > > > I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a > cd > > onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer > > sound. > > > > Using test equipment does at least establish a reproduceable standard > where > > Joe in New York can compare equipment with Jeff in London. As soon as you > > start using words like warmth, pleasing distortion etc. are you not > actually > > saying that you are adjusting the perceived sound to your own subjective > > tastes. There is nothing wrong with "adjusting" the components in a hi fi > > system to suit your tastes, indeed that is why we buy them, but isnt > > selecting different components to give a particular result tantamount to > > tweaking the tone control? > > > > Bearing the foregoing in mind, is it not the case that subjectivity is the > > very reason there is a need for some "magic" in the recording process, but > > if my child's life depended on an accurate measurement, then solid state > > would be my choice. > > > > Just my own subjective ramblings of course. > > Regards Doug. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Marc Stager > > Sent: 25 October 2005 22:43 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > > snip ------ > > > > So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image > > reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already > > hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a > > touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? > > > > So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal > > chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll > > put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet > > I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than > you > > will. > > > > snip ----- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: doane.vcf > > Type: text/x-vcard > > Size: 787 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Url : > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051026/3801b059/doane. > vcf > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:26:06 -0400 > > From: Antoine Desch?nes > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: <435FE65E.60904 at yahoo.ca> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Tubes have more THD, so what? As long as it's not annoying, where's the > > problem? > > > > Specs are in no way useful. The tests are never done the same way. So > > maybe the specs of an amp will be worse if done by an other company. > > Some examples: > > > > Do you think I trust the 600W wrote on my Sony home theater's box? NO, > > it pulls out 200W off the outlet. I can hope approx. 200w x 0.6 = 120w > > peak power from it. > > > > One of my amps(Twin Powered hk670) is told to have under-specs for > > wattage. It's done both channels at the time and it's not peak power. > > It's my best amp also. Often, vintage solid state sounds better than new > > amps. Testing both channels at the same time is not telling much as each > > channel have their own transformer winding. > > -- > > > > I just wonder how my EICO HF-12 tube amps will sound once restored with > > new parts ... For now, there's so much noise in the preamp that you > > don't ear quiet parts. Some resistors turned 20% out of spec with time... > > > > I just started listening to Pink Floyd and I don't want to get CDs as > > I'm afraid that I'll just spend money for crap. Maybe I should get it in > > SACD or LP edition? Even if I get an analog version, I can convert it to > > CD and I might be able to get something pretty much like the real one. > > > > Also CDs depend a lot on the DAC. I'm planning to build a DAC for a > > couple of time. > > > > Ron a �crit : > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > > > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > > > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > > > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > > > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > > > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > > > > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > > > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > > > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > > > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > > > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > > > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > > > > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > > > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > > > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > > > limitations. > > > > > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > > > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > > > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > > > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > > > > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > > > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > > > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > > > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > > > listen for, are two completely different things... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Guys, > > >> > > >> Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer > > >> up good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or > > >> tubes. So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. > > >> Starting with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they > > >> are all tools to bring the music back to life. It really does not > > >> matter to me in the least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I > > >> want to hold back tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to > > >> rip another chord that brings back memories of the live events I have > > >> witnessed. I think on the whole, better measuring gear usually sounds > > >> better. But what to measure?? For example, I play drums. I have > > >> played them for nearly 35 years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds > > >> when taped lightly with a nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor > > >> directly with my Sennheiser HD 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) > > >> it sounds excellent. It sounds real. When I monitor from the output > > >> of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It is not right. The decay is not > > >> there, the proper shimmer is not there. Now I don't have state of the > > >> art digital gear, so this is part of the problem. I have heard > > >> cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, but still not as good > > >> as just going direct to the board. I don't have a SACD recorder. But, > > >> when I switch between direct and playback with my analog reel to reel > > >> ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As a matter of fact > > >> , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it just in no > > >> way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my analog gear > > >> to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that would get > > >> me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, sometimes > > >> after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than the > > >> band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > > >> some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > > >> less is more here, for sure. > > >> > > >> OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase > > >> could have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, > > >> better recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now > > >> have what we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my > > >> home system. I play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car > > >> etc... If I got it right, it will sound decent on all the different > > >> systems. But now, which system sounds the most like a band playing > > >> live music. Well of course my big home stereo. And often it sounds > > >> better than we ever did in the home studio. I make a cd from the > > >> master tape as well. The cd does not even come close to sounding like > > >> the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon does. My Dat machine makes > > >> a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. So 16/44 does not cut it > > >> at my house. That is the digital standard, and I think it sucks. So > > >> that is where digital ends at my house until I get a SACD recorder or > > >> something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > > >> > > >> Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever > > >> the best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a > > >> Mark Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged > > >> into mono blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end > > >> solid state gear to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had > > >> a pair of Hales Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well > > >> indeed. I sold them. Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was > > >> visiting a friends home, and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia > > >> cd player, using a lesser pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) > > >> but used a Quicksilver tube amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 > > >> seconds into a song sung by Bille Holiday, I knew my system sucked. > > >> And it sucked bad. I was hearing music, not a stereo. I was getting > > >> goosebumps on top of goosebumps. Something about his system was > > >> getting her voice right. Everything was falling into place musically. > > >> So crap, my state of the art solid state stereo is not getting the > > >> best that cd has to offer. So I starting studying tubes. I had been > > >> told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the highs, they muck up the > > >> midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went looking for tubes > > >> known to have excellent specs as well as sound excellent. I ended up > > >> buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT Ultimate preamp. Funny > > >> thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam and dynamics for > > >> the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better dynamics, better > > >> bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise floor! And > > >> the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. Tubes can > > >> make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still up to > > >> the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never heard > > >> any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube systems > > >> musically. > > >> > > >> Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > > >> brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube > > >> preamp does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O > > >> turntable and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a > > >> closet. Well, this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when > > >> I heard the music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and > > >> pops, etc.. the music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up > > >> till the sun came back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high > > >> end table. A Basis Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi > > >> cartridge, Walker motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on > > >> vinyl playback. But I hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record > > >> cleaning machine. It is a hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I > > >> hardly ever have to clean the same record again. Excellent vinyl cut > > >> from the master tape just pretty much sounds like a killer analog > > >> tape machine playing with this system. So of all my sources, what > > >> sounds best? My masters duped directly from my Tascam but the > > >> musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, direct to disk > > >> recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. To hear > > >> Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in the > > >> late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > > >> such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > > >> touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > > >> decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the > > >> first time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost > > >> here with solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's > > >> cut from DSD masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very > > >> good. Getting real close to that analog sound with no noise. There is > > >> hope! > > >> > > >> There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > > >> recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, > > >> breathing music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it > > >> still sounds like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even > > >> some SACD's remind me of the back ground music being played through > > >> the PA before the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play > > >> on the Nak, and the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog > > >> recorders are a hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best > > >> way to bring old Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > > >> > > >> Ken > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:33:25 +0000 > > From: "winnie pooh" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > How have you setup your AV32R? I use my CR-7 through the tape inouts and > > have no such problems with DC offset. Also, what interconnects are you > > using? When you go thru the setup wizard, check to see what settings > you've > > assigned for the tape inputs on the AV32R. Incidentally, what software > > version are you running? Is your AV32R a SP or DP? > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:54:51 +0100 > > > > > >When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren AV32 > > >Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error message DC > > >Input Offset. > > > > > >The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, so as > > >the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR and FL > of > > >these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since as I > > >don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > > > > >I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause the > error > > >message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could offer > some > > >explanation? > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > >Andy > > >Dublin > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 72 > > *************************************** > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 27 09:57:45 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKtalk vs AUDIOtalk Message-ID: <4781.212.78.164.66.1130399865.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Hi All! I'd like to promote the audiotalk list. This list was created to talk about all audio subjects that would be off-topic here on naktalk. I would suggest anyone who wishes to talk more intensive about general audio subjects to register there and start talking! Unfortunately naktalk is intended for Naks related issues, but audiotalk isn't! So start using this list! (and make Gerald a happy man!) Wouter From andrewspencer at eircom.net Thu Oct 27 11:50:40 2005 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:50:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Member References: Message-ID: <006101c5dadb$e468e5e0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> I've just had a word with B&W in the UK regarding the DC Input Offset error message on my Tag McLaren AV32R Processor when my CR7 is connected to any line input except the 5.1 analogue bypass and they say its very unlikely to be a problem with the CR7!! Winnie the Pooh, I've got the AV32R 192BP SP running the latest 3.80 software. It's connected to the analogue bypass with Dalkey Audio Cables Vico Interconnects, which are 99.99% pure silver terminated with Eichmann Silver Bullets. Don't worry if you've not heard of them, they are my own cables which I sell very successfully over here in Ireland! I may send the CR7 over to B&W for a service and they can check out the DC Input Offset reading at the same time! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > Hi Andy! > > God...bless you!!!! > > Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > > > >MessageShaun > > > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high end hi-fi > >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > > > >Regards. > > > >Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Andy, > > > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer and it does > >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for another item and > >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the possibility/viability of > >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my BX-300 serviced > >and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to consider > >whether it is worth it. > > > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here Album in > >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say that it > >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had made all > >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the years but > >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C on Maxell > >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed master, vacuum > >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Shaun > > > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and it sounds > >fantastic. > > > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 plus > >labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the deck > >serviced at the same time! > > > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I didn't bother > >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > > > Regards. > > > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Welcome to our home! > > > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the UK, if so, > >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the south coast > >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a step-down > >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace the on board > >US power supply with a UK one? > > > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > > To: Nak > > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > Hi to you all. > > > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and as the > >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken Dragon!) I > >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's in "82" and > >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and calibration tapes I > >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to some of the > >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating my efforts > >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite Nak, the > >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction for a batch > >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x SAX90's (now > >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 Boots 3 X > >100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and I was the > >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own cassettes, I > >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette tape winder > >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 pankakes of BASF > >super chrome II tape. (I paid £20.00 for that lot). I wind the cassettes to > >suit the LP I am recording. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ebm at ireland.com Thu Oct 27 12:55:28 2005 From: ebm at ireland.com (shane crowe) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:55:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? Message-ID: <20051027105528.DDAC8671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hi all, I want to transfer my old cassettes to CDR, and I'm thinking about buying a Nakamichi for the job. I'll be plugging it directly into my CD recorder (a Yamaha CDR1000). I' m totally new to this, so I thought I'd seek advice/opinions from the experts. My investigations have led me to consider buying a Dragon. The reasons are multiple - 1) it seems to be the best (or one of the best) machines Nakamichi made. Whether or not "best" applies to cassette to CDR transfers however, I just don't know (that's why I'm here!) 2) A lot of my cassettes are old, and are non-original copies on cheap cassettes - which means the pressure pad is in bad condition on a lot of my tapes. The fact that this deck lifts the pressure pad away from the cassette and doesn't use it at all, seems very appealing. I've read that this gives significant sound improvement. (I am aware that other Nakamichi's have this feature) 3) The auto azimuth correction feature also jumps out as being very nice, although admittedly, I'm not an expert by any means on azimuth, or what precisely it's audible artifacts are. Nor do I have any idea of what audio improvement can be expected from this auto-correction feature. Basically I want the best audio transfer. I have a Yamaha casstte deck which has a great feature called "play trim" which essentially brightens up the sound on a lot of my cassettes (although it adds a lot of hiss as you increase it). For many cassettes (especially muffled live concerts) the play trim is an absolutely essential improvement - it's the only thing that makes them listenable at all. I'm wondering if the Dragon has any similar features? Like I said, a lot of my cassettes do need a little something to improve the sound, so a cassette deck which merely allows me to copy exactly what is on the cassette is not necessarily all I seek - the ability to fiddle with the outputted sound is also a requirement. Is the Dragon the best Nakamichi for this purpose? Is Nakamichi the best for this purpose? Any thoughts, opinions or experience on this subject would be greatly appreciated! Shane From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 27 18:02:57 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <43600049.9070907@woods-and-waters.com> References: <435FA4CA.6070407@sbcglobal.net> <435FD21D.9090507@rcn.com> <43600049.9070907@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4360FA31.40706@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I feel like I'm having a psychotic episode reading your message. THIS is > a large part of what I've been saying! Glad to see you agree! > > Ron wrote: > >> Ken, >> >> Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't >> sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading >> term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment >> specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, >> often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow >> -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > > Correct. > >> For example, THD, while important, can be all but >> meaningless. It says nothing about the overall >> distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very >> irritating , even in small amounts, while a second >> harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. >> Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > > Correct. > >> For these reasons, published specs can often be >> misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, >> one should read them, but also keep in mind their >> limitations. > > > Correct! Plus there are many more reasons too! > >> That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) >> a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted >> listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, >> that plays tricks no test gear can. > > > Well, I agree with the ideal, but the "truthful spec" hasn't been > invented yet. Well, here is were we disagree. I wouldn't know how to design without having a target spec, then verification tests to prove the spec has been met. Truthful spec is easy (all they have to do is not lie). A complete spec is a bit more difficult. > Maybe soon, who knows. What IS a truthful spec? I can see > it now, "I, the Xargon 1200 Distortion Meter, do solemnly swear to tell > the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God." > > Perhaps measuring Transient Intermodulation Distortion (TIM) > consistently and correlating it with known listener-perception > characteristics is a good start. But which form of TIM? So far, I've > been able to document seven forms (sub-types, if you will,) of this very > elusive -- and hard to quantify -- phenomenon. True, but good design can eliminate it altogether. > Sighted listening tests? Let me have a drag on what you're smokin' ... I > hear with my ears, not my eyes. Ah... but I believe you are mistaken. Do run a Google search on "McGurk effect". We do hear with out eyes -- this is just one example of the tricks our brain plays on us. > I'm joking, I know what you meant. > Listening tests should be the final arbiter of quality, unless the > equipment has been designed to be listened to only by test equipment and > not humans. The trick will be if a measurement protocol can be developed > that correlates with the results of properly administered double-blind > listening tests. Which is the crux of the problem. How does one measure > ANY human sensory perception with absolute accuracy, with the occasional > exception such as astigmatism or visual acuity? This is an old dilemma. I believe the final arbiter is the measurement, PROVIDED THERE IS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT CORRELATES WITH HUMAN PERCEPTION. When we resort to listening tests, they should be blind (DBT is better, but not always possible) and limited to 'is there a difference?' question, never to 'which is better?' question. > This is why I've been saying I design to satisfy the human ear/brain > combo, but not necessarily for impressive numbers on test gear. But in the ultimate, the 'good numbers' should equate to reproduction accuracy, no? > Good to see you understand these things. My applause for you has been > recorded in four-channel discrete analog quadraphonic sound, remastered > on Dolby 7.1 Surround-encoded SACD. (Almost). > >> Needless >> to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala >> listen for, are two completely different things... > > Well, I listen for a recording that, when reproduced... > > ...seems so live and so natural that you almost feel you can reach out > and touch the musicians... > > ...seems so realistic that you dare not move or make a sound so that you > do not distract from the music, so close to the live performance that it > is nearly indistinguishable FROM a live performance... > > ...is such that if you close your eyes it becomes nearly impossible to > tell that it is a recording... > > ...was so involving and engrossing that when the music ends you feel a > pang of loss that it's over and your suddenly thrust back into the > boring "real world." Well, all your criteria are completely subjective, while mine are completely objective. Let me qualify the difference, as follows. Consider the acoustic path of original sound -> mic -> recording device -> playback device -> speakers -> reproduced sound -> human ear -> human brain. The subjectivist evaluates performance (of the path) by viewing the whole path, including the final destination of the listener's ears and brain. His approach is based on the difference between the original sound (he thinks he would have heard, had he been present at the recording studio) and the reproduced sound. Sometimes, not even that; just on the pleasure he derives from listening to the reproduced sound. He objects to DBTs. The objectivist considers the same path, but only up to the reproduced sound. His rationale is that if the the reproduced sound is identical to the original sound, then it ought to produce the identical response in the listener's ear and brain. If it doesn't, then the ear/brain have been influenced by extraneous stimuli, unrelated to the sound reproduction (such as eye sight, expectations, cost of equipment, etc.). His approach is based on measurements of the equipment and *carefully controlled* listening tests. Think about it... The difference between the subjective and objective views is seemingly so small; yet, in real world terms, it's an unbridgeable chasm... Enjoy the music, -- Ron > > The wonderful thing is that, thanks to my Naks and a plethora of other > gear, both digital and analog, both tube and solid stage, both discrete > and integrated, I've actually HAD these experiences, not once, not > twice, but often and routinely. Although it never seems routine. > > So then, what are you listening to? > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 27 18:11:55 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:11:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? In-Reply-To: <20051027105528.DDAC8671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051027105528.DDAC8671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4360FC4B.6090204@rcn.com> shane crowe wrote: > Hi all, > > [...] > Is the Dragon the best Nakamichi for this purpose? Is Nakamichi the > best for this purpose? I would prefer the CR-7. It's probably an overkill for the cassettes you describe, but (my personal opinion) better for the task than the Dragon. -- Ron From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Oct 27 19:49:03 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:49:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? References: <20051027105528.DDAC8671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> <4360FC4B.6090204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001d01c5db1e$b89aed30$f3d317c4@home> For those 'dull' Cassettes try the traitorous (for this forum) Pioneer CT-S830S mit Flex System!Other good cassettes do it on the CR 7 or Dragon. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? > shane crowe wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> [...] >> Is the Dragon the best Nakamichi for this purpose? Is Nakamichi the > > best for this purpose? > > I would prefer the CR-7. It's probably an overkill for the > cassettes you describe, but (my personal opinion) better > for the task than the Dragon. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 27 17:21:54 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:21:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox In-Reply-To: <002901c5daaa$2c3714f0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200510262203.j9QM3owf008916@zxe.naks.com> <002901c5daaa$2c3714f0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <4360F092.5040603@yahoo.ca> Paul Dingle a écrit : > Nice to hear there are passionate listeners out there--makes this ol' > pianist feel kinda warm & fuzzy! > Thank you for all the good discussion--much of it has been quite thought > provoking. > > Like many of you, I have had an almost steady parade of gear in my home > stereo in the quest for what my ears tell me is the most pleasing sound to > my ears. In many ways, the whole argument can be a fool's errand when it > comes to arguing what's "best". > I haven't bought anything apart from the BX-2 in my system. Everything else (h/k, EICO, Sony, Toshiba, Superscope) are gifts. At least, I haven't spent too much $$$ on this and I don't have the lowest-fi system. I'm not planning of buying speakers or amps since I could DIY some for cheap. The only problem I have is with the speakers. My Yorkville PAs have a great tone but miss the freqs. under 70Hz. > The many instruments we all love to listen to are coloured sound--that is > what makes them so aesthetically pleasing. I love a Bosendorfer Imperial > Grand piano far more than a Steinway or Yamaha or Baldwin 9' grand > because of its colour. Mozartean purists tell me the Steinway has a more > neutral and even tone through the octaves, but I prefer the stronger > (imbalanced) midrange and bass of the Bosey, even for classical and baroque > repertoire. > > I have had some epiphanies listening to recorded sound: from my Uncle > Cecil's ancient 78 RPM RCA mechanical monolith listening to Pablo Casal's > young recordings to a 50's vintage Tannoy mono system with a single > cabinet/driver to an early Quad setup, all left me with a subjective > impression of great beauty and colour. > > For better or for worse, a few pieces have hung around: my Otari MX-5050, > my Nakamichi 500 (because it was my first deck), my humble Revolver > turntable mit Grado, and some Polk Monitor 10's. I greatly enjoy my > Sanktified CR-7, but know that I would dearly love to have my dream deck, a > 700ZXL. To my ears, it has a sweeter sound than the 1000ZXL, although those > of you with both decks may differ. But I can't drink Petrus every > day--that's what makes it all the more cherished when I do. > > I've got ^$%#& ac line noise in my "new" Pioneer SA9500-II amp that my old > NAD didn't have. Any advice? > RFI? Needs better diodes? Caps too small? Line filter? Caps in the AC line? > Paul > > P.S. Niro Nakamichi felt that using balanced lines/cables in recording > detrimentally coloured the sound too much.... > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 27 18:20:47 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:20:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <43600049.9070907@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000401c5db12$63bdbb00$119187d9@oemcomputer> Well, a colleague of mine was present when from a selection of identical speakers some were very consistently preferred over the others in terms of their sound ... that is, until they were hidden behind a curtain and their colours could no longer be seen. (Thus suggesting that the visual appearance of a piece of equipment affects aural perception.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 26 October 2005 23:17 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > >How does one measure > ANY human sensory perception with absolute accuracy, with the occasional > exception such as astigmatism or visual acuity? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 27 18:20:49 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:20:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? In-Reply-To: <20051027105528.DDAC8671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000501c5db12$64c12140$119187d9@oemcomputer> I'd go either for a Dragon because of it's adjustable azimuth or one of the better Pioneers with FLEX. FLEX seems to be similar to Playtrim on the Yamaha's but is actually a bit more sophisticated, and effectively restores music to sound more like it did when it was first recorded. It isn't quite as good as the Dragon in correcting error where the azimuth was slightly out on the original recording machine, but it does a fair stab at it electronically, and it's ahead of the Dragon with regard to restoring faded recordings, which the Dragon (nor any other domestic cassette machine) can do quite as well as a Pioneer with FLEX. If you get something like the CT-S830S or it's kid brother, the CT-S730S (can be had for as little as £150, may be less, which is rather less than a Dragon!) you may find that's as good as you'll need for your purpose. However, ideally, you might choose to have a Pioneer AND a Dragon - the latter for the fresh tapes and the Pioneer for refreshing the really faded ones. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of shane crowe > Sent: 27 October 2005 11:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? > > > Hi all, > > I want to transfer my old cassettes to CDR, and I'm thinking > about buying a Nakamichi for the job. > I'll be plugging it directly into my CD recorder (a Yamaha CDR1000). > > I' m totally new to this, so I thought I'd seek advice/opinions > from the experts. > > My investigations have led me to consider buying a Dragon. The > reasons are multiple - > > 1) it seems to be the best (or one of the best) machines > Nakamichi made. Whether or not "best" applies to cassette to CDR > transfers however, I just don't know (that's why I'm here!) > > 2) A lot of my cassettes are old, and are non-original copies on > cheap cassettes - which means the pressure pad is > in bad condition on a lot of my tapes. The fact that this deck > lifts the pressure pad away from the cassette and > doesn't use it at all, seems very appealing. I've read that this > gives significant sound improvement. (I am aware that other > Nakamichi's have this feature) > > 3) The auto azimuth correction feature also jumps out as being > very nice, although admittedly, I'm not an > expert by any means on azimuth, or what precisely it's audible > artifacts are. Nor do I have any idea of what audio improvement > can be expected from this auto-correction feature. > > > Basically I want the best audio transfer. I have a Yamaha casstte > deck which has a great feature called "play trim" > which essentially brightens up the sound on a lot of my cassettes > (although it adds a lot of hiss as you increase it). > For many cassettes (especially muffled live concerts) the play > trim is an absolutely essential improvement - it's the only thing > that makes them listenable at all. > I'm wondering if the Dragon has any similar features? Like I > said, a lot of my cassettes do need a little something > to improve the sound, so a cassette deck which merely allows me > to copy exactly what is on the cassette is not necessarily all I > seek - the ability to fiddle with the outputted sound is also a > requirement. > > Is the Dragon the best Nakamichi for this purpose? Is Nakamichi > the best for this purpose? > > > Any thoughts, opinions or experience on this subject would be > greatly appreciated! > > Shane > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Oct 27 18:44:15 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:44:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? In-Reply-To: <20051027105528.DDAC8671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Hi, Shane: A Dragon would be great, but any of the 3 head Naks are going to be great for sound and having the ability to easily adjust the playback head can help quite a bit with older cassettes recorded on different machines. Just remember that if you buy a used Nak, you are probably going to have to spend some money on getting it up to snuff by someone who has the equipment, unless you get very lucky or can do it yourself, properly, and getting some parts can be a hassle. You can spend a ton of money on all this, I'm just going to relate my "budget" route, but I'm getting excellent results this way. I'm in the slow process of transferring several hundred cassettes, about 150 of which were originally recorded from LP disks back in the 70's to 80's. Thankfully, most of these were made using a Nakamichi back then with top of the line Shure cartridges, Dual 1019 and later an AR turntable, and I used to take really good care of my disks and clean them, so playing them back now on my ZX-7 I bought sounds incredible, but I also have an LX-5 that sounds as good for playback. I'll end up keeping the ZX-7 and selling the LX-5. I'm doing this mainly for archive purposes, as many of the LP's I recorded are no longer available.. most are classical music, obscure pieces from companies like Nonesuch, etc. After converting them to digital I can then take the archived wav files and create CD compilations of CD music and CD mp3 music files very easily, and it's a lot of fun. I started off by recording directly into a Sony CD recorder, but the quality was not that great, it just didn't sound as clear, smooth, soft, or what ever words are necessary, and I didn't want to spend a great deal of money on a high end CD recorder, but this would be a very good way to go. I ended up recording directly into my computer sound card, an Audigy 2 ZX with all inputs, outputs off except for the aux in. Reasonably priced sound cards have improved a lot in the last year. An even better card is made by M-Audio http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=pciinterfaces starting with their Revolution 5.1 for less then $100 and up in price, as well as some of the best I/O units for the price, if you want to go that route, but I wanted a card that would be the least intrusive to processor power for gaming as well, and the Audigy fills the bill for that and the audio quality. I see no reason to record higher then the standard 16bit/44 CD quality 44.1khz, it's well above the noise floor and distortion levels of vinyl disks, and even with the editing it seems to work fine. I then break split apart the wave files using a shareware editor, Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/features One reason I really like it is that it is FAST, very fast compared to other editors. It also has excellent pitch and speed adjustments that I'm using for archiving about 60 old reel to reel speech interviews made in the 60's for a museum here. If you have Sound Forge or something fancy, great. For cleaning up the resulting wav files, getting rid of clicks, pops, etc. the best editing program I have found a guy wrote specifically for editing records. It's called WaveRepair http://www.delback.co.uk/wavrep/ It will do a better job then even the expensive editors like Sound Forge, CoolEdit (now, unfortunately owned by Adobe), and others. It does take a bit of learning to start off, mainly to memorize some short cut keys for zooming in and out, marking, play, stop, etc., but then you can really work fast and it's very powerful with no distorted results, if you want to take the time to fix a noisy recorded disk the right way. It does have one of the best Automatic clean up tools, but all the auto tick and pop removers I've found, even on the most expensive editors, don't do that great a job. With WaveRepair you can do it right, and very quickly. The author has a very good page on recording, but I think it's a bit out of date about the latest sound cards that have really improved a lot. I do know that some computers can introduce noise into the audio circuits, but I'm having great results with my Dell 4600 and the Audigy 2, with a P4 2.4ghz, and 1gig RAM, I'm able to work quite quickly and the results are excellent. After getting my cassettes into wav format I keep copies as archives on external hard drives and data disks. I can then take the wav files and make CD music recordings, rip them to mp3 format for CD playing in the car and on portable players, etc. You can add data info to the files so that when you play them it will read out the artist and name, etc. I was really surprised at the sound quality of mp3 when you keep the sample rate up on the top 320 bit rate, or even down to 128bits, the sound is very good and the compression is amazing. You can burn several hours or more of mp3 music on one CD. The MS WMA format is even better, but not many players in cars, or portables support it. Anyway, hope this helped, I'm sure others here can offer much more sophisticated, and expensive methods, but this is working for me quite nicely and I'm really enjoying listening to my old music files. I was just listening to some cassettes I recorded way back.. a mix of joan Baez, David Grisman Quartet, Joni Mitchell, Gordon Lightfoot, Danny O'keefe, Rickie Lee Jones, Howling Gael, Bob Dylan.. etc., then I played back some old Musical Heritage Society LPs I recorded of 15th and 16th century court and gypsy mucic, etc. back in the early 80's on a Nak BX-2, and they still sound wonderful. Great stuff! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shane crowe Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? Hi all, I want to transfer my old cassettes to CDR, and I'm thinking about buying a Nakamichi for the job. I'll be plugging it directly into my CD recorder (a Yamaha CDR1000). I' m totally new to this, so I thought I'd seek advice/opinions from the experts. My investigations have led me to consider buying a Dragon. The reasons are multiple - 1) it seems to be the best (or one of the best) machines Nakamichi made. Whether or not "best" applies to cassette to CDR transfers however, I just don't know (that's why I'm here!) 2) A lot of my cassettes are old, and are non-original copies on cheap cassettes - which means the pressure pad is in bad condition on a lot of my tapes. The fact that this deck lifts the pressure pad away from the cassette and doesn't use it at all, seems very appealing. I've read that this gives significant sound improvement. (I am aware that other Nakamichi's have this feature) 3) The auto azimuth correction feature also jumps out as being very nice, although admittedly, I'm not an expert by any means on azimuth, or what precisely it's audible artifacts are. Nor do I have any idea of what audio improvement can be expected from this auto-correction feature. Basically I want the best audio transfer. I have a Yamaha casstte deck which has a great feature called "play trim" which essentially brightens up the sound on a lot of my cassettes (although it adds a lot of hiss as you increase it). For many cassettes (especially muffled live concerts) the play trim is an absolutely essential improvement - it's the only thing that makes them listenable at all. I'm wondering if the Dragon has any similar features? Like I said, a lot of my cassettes do need a little something to improve the sound, so a cassette deck which merely allows me to copy exactly what is on the cassette is not necessarily all I seek - the ability to fiddle with the outputted sound is also a requirement. Is the Dragon the best Nakamichi for this purpose? Is Nakamichi the best for this purpose? Any thoughts, opinions or experience on this subject would be greatly appreciated! Shane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Thu Oct 27 22:07:37 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:07:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Please trim your replies... In-Reply-To: <200510270753.j9R7raSX010585@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Jeez you guys, could you PLEASE start trimming the message you are replying to? Some of us get naktalk in digest mode and it is getting extremely hard finding the beginning of the next message with all the quoted stuff at the end of these messages. I've been waiting for the moderator(s)to say something, but I guess I'll have to incur the wrath of those I (unintentionally) offend myself. Gary From: backmd at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks AC line noise? Replace the power supply capacitors! -------------- Original message -------------- > Nice to hear there are passionate listeners out there--makes this ol' > pianist feel kinda warm & fuzzy! > Thank you for all the good discussion--much of it has been quite thought > provoking. > > Like many of you, I have had an almost steady parade of gear in my home > stereo in the quest for what my ears tell me is the most pleasing sound to > my ears. In many ways, the whole argument can be a fool's errand when it > comes to arguing what's "best". > > The many instruments we all love to listen to are coloured sound--that is > what makes them so aesthetically pleasing. I love a Bosendorfer Imperial > Grand piano far more than a Steinway or Yamaha or Baldwin 9' grand > because of its colour. Mozartean purists tell me the Steinway has a more > neutral and even tone through the octaves, but I prefer the stronger > (imbalanced) midrange and bass of the Bosey, even for classical and baroque > repertoire. > > I have had some epiphanies listening to recorded sound: from my Uncle > Cecil's ancient 78 RPM RCA mechanical monolith listening to Pablo Casal's > young recordings to a 50's vintage Tannoy mono system with a single > cabinet/driver to an early Quad setup, all left me with a subjective > impression of great beauty and colour. > > For better or for worse, a few pieces have hung around: my Otari MX-5050, > my Nakamichi 500 (because it was my first deck), my humble Revolver > turntable mit Grado, and some Polk Monitor 10's. I greatly enjoy my > Sanktified CR-7, but know that I would dearly love to have my dream deck, a > 700ZXL. To my ears, it has a sweeter sound than the 1000ZXL, although those > of you with both decks may differ. But I can't drink Petrus every > day--that's what makes it all the more cherished when I do. > > I've got ^$%#& ac line noise in my "new" Pioneer SA9500-II amp that my old > NAD didn't have. Any advice? > > Paul > > P.S. Niro Nakamichi felt that using balanced lines/cables in recording > detrimentally coloured the sound too much.... > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:59:41 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <435FD21D.9090507 at rcn.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Ken, > > > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > > limitations. > > > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > > listen for, are two completely different things... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer up > > > good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or tubes. > > > So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. Starting > > > with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they are all tools > > > to bring the music back to life. It really does not matter to me in the > > > least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I want to hold back > > > tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to rip another chord that > > > brings back memories of the live events I have witnessed. I think on the > > > whole, better measuring gear usually sounds better. But what to > > > measure?? For example, I play drums. I have played them for nearly 35 > > > years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds when taped lightly with a > > > nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor directly with my Sennheiser HD > > > 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) it sounds excellent. It sounds > > > real. When I monitor from the output of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It > > > is not right. The decay is not there, the proper shimmer is not there. > > > Now I don't have state of the art digital gear, so this is part of the > > > problem. I have heard cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, > > > but still not as good as just going direct to the board. I don't have a > > > SACD recorder. But, when I switch between direct and playback with my > > > analog reel to reel ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As > > > a matter of fact , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it > > > just in no way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my > > > analog gear to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that > > > would get me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, > > > sometimes after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than > > > the band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > > > some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > > > less is more here, for sure. > > > > > > OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase could > > > have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, better > > > recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now have what > > > we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my home system. I > > > play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car etc... If I got it > > > right, it will sound decent on all the different systems. But now, which > > > system sounds the most like a band playing live music. Well of course my > > > big home stereo. And often it sounds better than we ever did in the home > > > studio. I make a cd from the master tape as well. The cd does not even > > > come close to sounding like the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon > > > does. My Dat machine makes a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. > > > So 16/44 does not cut it at my house. That is the digital standard, and > > > I think it sucks. So that is where digital ends at my house until I get > > > a SACD recorder or something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > > > > > > Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever the > > > best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a Mark > > > Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged into mono > > > blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end solid state gear > > > to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had a pair of Hales > > > Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well indeed. I sold them. > > > Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was visiting a friends home, > > > and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia cd player, using a lesser > > > pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) but used a Quicksilver tube > > > amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 seconds into a song sung by Bille > > > Holiday, I knew my system sucked. And it sucked bad. I was hearing > > > music, not a stereo. I was getting goosebumps on top of goosebumps. > > > Something about his system was getting her voice right. Everything was > > > falling into place musically. So crap, my state of the art solid state > > > stereo is not getting the best that cd has to offer. So I starting > > > studying tubes. I had been told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the > > > highs, they muck up the midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went > > > looking for tubes known to have excellent specs as well as sound > > > excellent. I ended up buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT > > > Ultimate preamp. Funny thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam > > > and dynamics for the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better > > > dynamics, better bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise > > > floor! And the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. > > > Tubes can make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still > > > up to the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never > > > heard any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube > > > systems musically. > > > > > > Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > > > brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube preamp > > > does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O turntable > > > and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a closet. Well, > > > this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when I heard the > > > music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and pops, etc.. the > > > music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up till the sun came > > > back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high end table. A Basis > > > Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi cartridge, Walker > > > motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on vinyl playback. But I > > > hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record cleaning machine. It is a > > > hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I hardly ever have to clean the > > > same record again. Excellent vinyl cut from the master tape just pretty > > > much sounds like a killer analog tape machine playing with this system. > > > So of all my sources, what sounds best? My masters duped directly from > > > my Tascam but the musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, > > > direct to disk recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. > > > To hear Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in > > > the late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > > > such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > > > touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > > > decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the first > > > time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost here with > > > solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's cut from DSD > > > masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very good. Getting real > > > close to that analog sound with no noise. There is hope! > > > > > > There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > > > recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, breathing > > > music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it still sounds > > > like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even some SACD's > > > remind me of the back ground music being played through the PA before > > > the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play on the Nak, and > > > the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog recorders are a > > > hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best way to bring old > > > Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:32:35 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <20051026213235.74135.qmail at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > My new BX-300 has a slight DC offset on one of it's outputs. Only > > about 30mv, but, that was 30mv highier than the other channel. I was > > going to replace the output opamp for that channel, but, never got > > around to it. If I remember correctly I looked at the schematic and > > there was a cap before the final amp so it had to be that one op-amp, > > or the capacitor was bad. My power amps all had DC blocking caps so > > it never an issue. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Andy's E-Mail wrote: > > > > > When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren > > > AV32 > > > Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error > > > message DC > > > Input Offset. > > > > > > The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, > > > so as > > > the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR > > > and FL of > > > these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since > > > as I > > > don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > > > > > I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause > > > the error > > > message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could > > > offer some > > > explanation? > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Andy > > > Dublin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy! > > > > > > > > God...bless you!!!! > > > > > > > > Mine is much less resolving...kept it super well guard!!! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:57:18 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >MessageShaun > > > > > > > > > >Married 12 years now to a wife who has no concept of what high > > > end hi-fi > > > > >costs (luckily) and pretty solvent so things worked out well! > > > > > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > > > > >Andy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:25 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > > > > > > > > At present I am using a Maplins 200va step-down transformer > > > and it > > > does > > > > >an admirable job. I just wanted to use the transformer for > > > another item > > > and > > > > >it seemed like the right time to enquire about the > > > possibility/viability > > > of > > > > >changing the BX-300 US power supply. I have recently had my > > > BX-300 > > > serviced > > > > >and gear upgraded at B & W so at £45 plus fitting I have to > > > consider > > > > >whether it is worth it. > > > > > > > > > > At the moment I am listening to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were > > > Here Album > > > in > > > > >my study on a BX-2 recently serviced locally and I have to say > > > that it > > > > >sounds absolutely lovely. I thought that my recording that I had > > > made all > > > > >those years ago on my 3 head Aiwa 3500 had dulled on me over the > > > years > > > but > > > > >it hasn't, it's all still there faithfully reproduced in Dolby C > > > on > > > Maxell > > > > >II UDXL. Which is just as well as I sold my LP (half speed > > > master, vacuum > > > > >sealed) in a rash moment!. > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > > >Behalf Of Andy's E-Mail > > > > > Sent: 24 October 2005 14:05 > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > > > I run a CR7A here in Ireland on a Step Down Transformer and > > > it > > > sounds > > > > >fantastic. > > > > > > > > > > B&W UK have the UK transformers, I think they quoted me £45 > > > plus > > > > >labour to fit it, or £45 with fitting free if I was to have the > > > deck > > > > >serviced at the same time! > > > > > > > > > > The deck I acquired off ebay was in so mint condition, I > > > didn't > > > bother > > > > >to get it serviced so stuck with a SDT from Maplins! > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Shaun Montgomery > > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to our home! > > > > > > > > > > It sounds from the purchases you made that you are in the > > > UK, if > > > so, > > > > >like to give us an idea where. I live in Bournemouth, on the > > > south coast > > > > >(weather wet and windy at present!). > > > > > > > > > > At the moment I have a BX-300 with US voltage and a > > > step-down > > > > >transformer. Do you think it would be much of a job to replace > > > the on > > > board > > > > >US power supply with a UK one? > > > > > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > > > > >On Behalf Of Colin Marsh > > > > > Sent: 23 October 2005 17:39 > > > > > To: Nak > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] New Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi to you all. > > > > > > > > > > I have been viewing this group for a few weeks now, and > > > as the > > > > >owner of several Nakamichi's (ZX9, ZX7, BX300 and a broken > > > Dragon!) I > > > > >decided to join the group. As I brought my first of my Nak's > > > in "82" > > > and > > > > >maintain them all myself (I have most of the jigs and > > > calibration tapes I > > > > >need + the manuals + many spares) possibly I can be of help to > > > some of > > > the > > > > >other group members. At this moment in time I am concentrating > > > my > > > efforts > > > > >into replenishing my tape stocks, I prefer TDK, as my favourite > > > Nak, the > > > > >ZX7 excels with them. just a few minutes ago I won an auction > > > for a > > > batch > > > > >of unopened stock, Listed as follows: 15 x SA90's 10 x > > > SAX90's (now > > > > >rare) 5 x TDK MA90's (metal) 1 x TDK SF90 and 1 x TDK SA90 > > > Boots 3 X > > > > >100 Chrome. I paid UK£20.00 which I think is a bargain? and > > > I was the > > > > >only bidder. For run of the mill recording I wind my own > > > cassettes, I > > > > >was lucky last year in purchasing at a boot fair, a cassette > > > tape winder > > > > >with a few thosand highish quality cassette blanks + 100 > > > pankakes > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:09:06 -0700 > > From: "Doane Hoag" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Shaun: > > Very well said, that's the way I feel too. > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:22 AM > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > > > > Well said Doug, > > > > But surely that is why we buy and listen to music; to be thrilled at > hearing > > it in our own home. Whether or not that thrill is increased by "knowing" > > that your equipment and environment produce exactly the same sounds that > the > > recording engineer did when producing his final tape is down to each > > individual. I have spent many hours trying to make a tape/cassette > recording > > sound as close to the original as possible and yet when I have heard the > > same piece of music on other equipment it still gives as much pleasure, > > whether or not it sounded like my recording. We often forget the most > > important reason for playing music; to listen to the music that gives us > > pleasure. Whatever our preferences for reproducing that music is > irrelevant, > > just as our own musical tastes differ, so does perceived music > reproduction. > > In other words there is no "best for all" reproduction system, though some > > may please a larger number of people than others. On the other hand, if > you > > are a technician striving for recorded accuracy of the original sound > source > > (and here I mean stage or studio, inside or outside), one assumes a > > different hat to the home listener. Thus we are always going to have > > differing opinions as what sounds right when technicians and home > > enthusiasts get together. > > > > Shaun > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Doug Locke > > Sent: 26 October 2005 09:27 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > > > > Hellp Marc > > > > The trouble here is with stating that your own particular version of what > > sounds "good" is a superior way to judge the output of a sound > reproduction > > system. The problem with any subjective view is that it is just that, > > subjective. Take statements such as "under the circumstances that I listen > > to music in a particular location at a specific time of day, with x amount > > of time in silence before hand, with my ears freshly syringed, y ml of > good > > malt whisky consumed, head at z degrees inclination a combination of xyz > > sound source through abc amplifier using def interconnects and ghk > speakers > > at j degress centigrade and k percent relative humidity" turns out rather > > long winded, but I have been assured by different people at different > times > > that all the foregoing parameters make a difference to their listening. > > > > I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a > cd > > onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer > > sound. > > > > Using test equipment does at least establish a reproduceable standard > where > > Joe in New York can compare equipment with Jeff in London. As soon as you > > start using words like warmth, pleasing distortion etc. are you not > actually > > saying that you are adjusting the perceived sound to your own subjective > > tastes. There is nothing wrong with "adjusting" the components in a hi fi > > system to suit your tastes, indeed that is why we buy them, but isnt > > selecting different components to give a particular result tantamount to > > tweaking the tone control? > > > > Bearing the foregoing in mind, is it not the case that subjectivity is the > > very reason there is a need for some "magic" in the recording process, but > > if my child's life depended on an accurate measurement, then solid state > > would be my choice. > > > > Just my own subjective ramblings of course. > > Regards Doug. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Marc Stager > > Sent: 25 October 2005 22:43 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] The Paradox > > > > snip ------ > > > > So Ron, what's the point of going with drop-dead perfect, mirror-image > > reproduction in the playback path when the original performance is already > > hopelessly mangled on the CD? Maybe a little pleasing distortion, just a > > touch of makeup, will help make it music to the ear? > > > > So Ron, you play these through what you consider a state of the art signal > > chain, distortion three zeros to the right of the decimal point, and I'll > > put it through my forty year old McIntosh MC-40's, Marantz 7C, and I bet > > I'll get a lot more enjoyment from music coming through my speakers than > you > > will. > > > > snip ----- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: doane.vcf > > Type: text/x-vcard > > Size: 787 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Url : > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051026/3801b059/doane . > vcf > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:26:06 -0400 > > From: Antoine Desch?nes > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: <435FE65E.60904 at yahoo.ca> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Tubes have more THD, so what? As long as it's not annoying, where's the > > problem? > > > > Specs are in no way useful. The tests are never done the same way. So > > maybe the specs of an amp will be worse if done by an other company. > > Some examples: > > > > Do you think I trust the 600W wrote on my Sony home theater's box? NO, > > it pulls out 200W off the outlet. I can hope approx. 200w x 0.6 = 120w > > peak power from it. > > > > One of my amps(Twin Powered hk670) is told to have under-specs for > > wattage. It's done both channels at the time and it's not peak power. > > It's my best amp also. Often, vintage solid state sounds better than new > > amps. Testing both channels at the same time is not telling much as each > > channel have their own transformer winding. > > -- > > > > I just wonder how my EICO HF-12 tube amps will sound once restored with > > new parts ... For now, there's so much noise in the preamp that you > > don't ear quiet parts. Some resistors turned 20% out of spec with time... > > > > I just started listening to Pink Floyd and I don't want to get CDs as > > I'm afraid that I'll just spend money for crap. Maybe I should get it in > > SACD or LP edition? Even if I get an analog version, I can convert it to > > CD and I might be able to get something pretty much like the real one. > > > > Also CDs depend a lot on the DAC. I'm planning to build a DAC for a > > couple of time. > > > > Ron a écrit : > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > Just a comment about 'it has better specs but doesn't > > > sound as good'. 'Better specs' is a very misleading > > > term. Very seldom do we actually get to see equipment > > > specs. What we see is a small portion of the specs, > > > often doctored by Marketing. Most people can't follow > > > -- let alone, understand -- a full spec. > > > > > > For example, THD, while important, can be all but > > > meaningless. It says nothing about the overall > > > distortion products mix. A 3rd harmonic can be very > > > irritating , even in small amounts, while a second > > > harmonic can actually enhance the sound to some ears. > > > Yet both are hidden in the THD number. > > > > > > For these reasons, published specs can often be > > > misleading or just plain meaningless. By all means, > > > one should read them, but also keep in mind their > > > limitations. > > > > > > That said, a complete, truthful spec is (or should be) > > > a better indicator of equipment quality than sighted > > > listening tests. These tests are filtered by our brain, > > > that plays tricks no test gear can. > > > > > > My own preference is still as much of the specs that I > > > can get, coupled with listening (when in doubt, blind > > > listening) to some very familiar recordings. Needless > > > to say, what I listen for and what Kermit and Bala > > > listen for, are two completely different things... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Guys, > > >> > > >> Well this thread has been full of excellent posts. Both sides offer > > >> up good reasons for their use of analog or digital, solid state or > > >> tubes. So I guess I will offer my opinion. This stuff is all tools. > > >> Starting with the microphone all the way to the home speaker, they > > >> are all tools to bring the music back to life. It really does not > > >> matter to me in the least what tools I use, I just want goosebumps. I > > >> want to hold back tears. I want Frank to sing again, Stevie Ray to > > >> rip another chord that brings back memories of the live events I have > > >> witnessed. I think on the whole, better measuring gear usually sounds > > >> better. But what to measure?? For example, I play drums. I have > > >> played them for nearly 35 years. I know how a Zildjian cymbal sounds > > >> when taped lightly with a nylon tipped drum stick. When I monitor > > >> directly with my Sennheiser HD 600's from my Mackie board ( op amps) > > >> it sounds excellent. It sounds real. When I monitor from the output > > >> of my ADC, it sounds filtered. It is not right. The decay is not > > >> there, the proper shimmer is not there. Now I don't have state of the > > >> art digital gear, so this is part of the problem. I have heard > > >> cymbals sound excellent with some digital gear, but still not as good > > >> as just going direct to the board. I don't have a SACD recorder. But, > > >> when I switch between direct and playback with my analog reel to reel > > >> ( Tascam TSR 8, or Nak Dragon ) it sounds right. As a matter of fact > > >> , it sounds great. But the dat has better specs, but it just in no > > >> way sounds as real as the analog tape decks. So I use my analog gear > > >> to record my little blues band. If I had digital gear that would get > > >> me back that sound, I would use it. And another thing, sometimes > > >> after mixing the music, what I get back sounds way better than the > > >> band ever did! Now that is fun! A little eq, a little compressing, > > >> some quick use of the faders, and bingo, a better sounding band. But > > >> less is more here, for sure. > > >> > > >> OK, now on to home reproduction. Everything in the recording phase > > >> could have been better. Better mics, better board, better wire, > > >> better recorders, better engineer, better musicians, etc. But we now > > >> have what we have. A master. So I play back the master tape on my > > >> home system. I play it back on boom boxes. I play it back in the car > > >> etc... If I got it right, it will sound decent on all the different > > >> systems. But now, which system sounds the most like a band playing > > >> live music. Well of course my big home stereo. And often it sounds > > >> better than we ever did in the home studio. I make a cd from the > > >> master tape as well. The cd does not even come close to sounding like > > >> the master tape. But a dub with my Dragon does. My Dat machine makes > > >> a sorry excuse from the master tape as well. So 16/44 does not cut it > > >> at my house. That is the digital standard, and I think it sucks. So > > >> that is where digital ends at my house until I get a SACD recorder or > > >> something that sounds way better than 16/44 cd's. > > >> > > >> Now how about the playback system. I followed with a religious fever > > >> the best specs must be the best sound...most like the master. I had a > > >> Mark Levinson 380S preamp, a pair of big Classe Ca 300 amps bridged > > >> into mono blocks, a Wadia 860 cd player. I had some very high end > > >> solid state gear to go with my Sonus Faber Amati speakers. I also had > > >> a pair of Hales Transcendence 8 speakers that measure very well > > >> indeed. I sold them. Bored the crap out of me. One evening I was > > >> visiting a friends home, and he put on a cd I had with a lesser Wadia > > >> cd player, using a lesser pair of Sonus Faber speakers ( Concertos ) > > >> but used a Quicksilver tube amp and a EAR tube preamp. About 5 > > >> seconds into a song sung by Bille Holiday, I knew my system sucked. > > >> And it sucked bad. I was hearing music, not a stereo. I was getting > > >> goosebumps on top of goosebumps. Something about his system was > > >> getting her voice right. Everything was falling into place musically. > > >> So crap, my state of the art solid state stereo is not getting the > > >> best that cd has to offer. So I starting studying tubes. I had been > > >> told tubes are for boobs... they roll off the highs, they muck up the > > >> midrange, they plump up the bass, etc. So I went looking for tubes > > >> known to have excellent specs as well as sound excellent. I ended up > > >> buying Convergent Audio JL-1 amps and a CAT Ultimate preamp. Funny > > >> thing, I thought I was going to give up bass slam and dynamics for > > >> the beautiful tube midrange. Bull, I get better dynamics, better > > >> bass, better high end extension, and even a lower noise floor! And > > >> the midrange was magic! So no looking back on this deal. Tubes can > > >> make music, big time. Of course they can suck too, it is still up to > > >> the designer to get the most from his design. But I have never heard > > >> any solid state system that can hold a torch to the best tube systems > > >> musically. > > >> > > >> Ok, so I start getting bored again. No more goosebumps. I have hit a > > >> brick wall with my playback system. But I noticed that fancy tube > > >> preamp does have a phono input. I was bored so I drug out my old B&O > > >> turntable and spun some old records from the 80's I still had in a > > >> closet. Well, this is no high end table, but I was just shocked when > > >> I heard the music. The music was back. Even with the rumble, tic and > > >> pops, etc.. the music was getting through. And big time. I stayed up > > >> till the sun came back up listening to MUSIC. So I get myself a high > > >> end table. A Basis Debut with vacuum, Basis Vector arm, Koetsu Urishi > > >> cartridge, Walker motor drive... you get the idea. I went nuts on > > >> vinyl playback. But I hate tics and pops... So I get a VPI record > > >> cleaning machine. It is a hassle to clean the vinyl, but once done I > > >> hardly ever have to clean the same record again. Excellent vinyl cut > > >> from the master tape just pretty much sounds like a killer analog > > >> tape machine playing with this system. So of all my sources, what > > >> sounds best? My masters duped directly from my Tascam but the > > >> musicians are not up to snuff. The best musically, direct to disk > > >> recordings especially the ones cut from all tube chains. To hear > > >> Hiefitz play on a old shaded dog RCA cut with all tubes back in the > > >> late 50's on an all tube playback system is a revelation. To hear > > >> such a masters' violin float in the air as if you can reach out and > > >> touch the strings is moving to say the least. To hear the depth and > > >> decay of a full orchestra like you were there is mind boggling the > > >> first time you experience it in your own room. Something gets lost > > >> here with solid state. And it really gets lost with cd's. But, SACD's > > >> cut from DSD masters played on my Sony XA 9000 ES sound very very > > >> good. Getting real close to that analog sound with no noise. There is > > >> hope! > > >> > > >> There is a reason some of us nuts go for analog, tubes and old tube > > >> recordings. They just flat out sound like music, real living, > > >> breathing music. The rest falls short. It can sound great, but it > > >> still sounds like a great stereo trying to make music. Cd's and even > > >> some SACD's remind me of the back ground music being played through > > >> the PA before the show starts. Then you drop the needle or hit play > > >> on the Nak, and the band starts to play. Tubes and vinyl and analog > > >> recorders are a hassle. But in my opinion, they still offer the best > > >> way to bring old Sinatra back to life. Oh what a voice he had... > > >> > > >> Ken > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:33:25 +0000 > > From: "winnie pooh" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > How have you setup your AV32R? I use my CR-7 through the tape inouts and > > have no such problems with DC offset. Also, what interconnects are you > > using? When you go thru the setup wizard, check to see what settings > you've > > assigned for the tape inputs on the AV32R. Incidentally, what software > > version are you running? Is your AV32R a SP or DP? > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > > > > >From: "Andy's E-Mail" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > > >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:54:51 +0100 > > > > > >When I first plugged my CR7 into the tape inputs on my Tag McLaren AV32 > > >Amplifier and pressed play, the amplifier muted with an error message DC > > >Input Offset. > > > > > >The same thing happened when I changed to another line level input, so as > > >the AV32R has a 5.1 Analogue Bypass I connected the CR7 to the FR and FL > of > > >these inputs and it worked perfectly, I've left it there ever since as I > > >don't listen to DVDA or SACD much. > > > > > >I've often wondered whether there is a fault in the CR7 to cause the > error > > >message on the AV32R, anybody had a similar expereince or could offer > some > > >explanation? > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > >Andy > > >Dublin > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 72 > > *************************************** > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to enlarge them each time to even read them. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Please trim your replies... Jeez you guys, could you PLEASE start trimming the message you are replying to? Some of us get naktalk in digest mode and it is getting extremely hard finding the beginning of the next message with all the quoted stuff at the end of these messages. I've been waiting for the moderator(s)to say something, but I guess I'll have to incur the wrath of those I (unintentionally) offend myself. Gary *************************************** From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 28 00:04:47 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:04:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox In-Reply-To: <4360F092.5040603@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001001c5db42$731e57a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Paul, The BX-2 is a very good start to purchasing your own hi-fi. I purchased one recently and am surprised at just how good it sounds for the very modest price that I paid for it. It took the service technician 3.5 hours to sort out the drive motor and pcb grounding and dry joints that caused a hum/buzz together with a set of new belts and idler wheel. Even then, at £57 service cost on top of the £3.50 I paid for the deck I consider it to be extremely good value for money. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 27 October 2005 16:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox Paul Dingle a écrit : > Nice to hear there are passionate listeners out there--makes this ol' > pianist feel kinda warm & fuzzy! Thank you for all the good > discussion--much of it has been quite thought provoking. > > Like many of you, I have had an almost steady parade of gear in my > home stereo in the quest for what my ears tell me is the most pleasing > sound to my ears. In many ways, the whole argument can be a fool's > errand when it comes to arguing what's "best". > I haven't bought anything apart from the BX-2 in my system. Everything else (h/k, EICO, Sony, Toshiba, Superscope) are gifts. At least, I haven't spent too much $$$ on this and I don't have the lowest-fi system. I'm not planning of buying speakers or amps since I could DIY some for cheap. The only problem I have is with the speakers. My Yorkville PAs have a great tone but miss the freqs. under 70Hz. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Oct 28 01:28:00 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:28:00 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] re: The Paradox... Nak related.. Message-ID: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> Thank you All for a most engaging discussion, I really enjoyed reading all points of view. I would like to add my stir of the pot on a couple of topics that came up during this thread. "...I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that recording a cd onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer sound...." I'd certainly put my hand up for having made that or a similar statement! Whether it is technically true or what, but do I trust my own ears, cloth covered as they may seem to some :o)... and all this is based on my experience, largely with my own machines which span a good representation of the ranges from a late production 600 through to a CR5 as representative of later models, so no bullets please, this is just a personal observation: The above statement is true for the early models like the 600 and 600II, but I also think that this imparted warmth lessens as time progressed. Thus the 580 series were a little more neutral (but warmer than the 680's) through ZX-7 onto to my CR5 which seems very neutral (vs source), and I would have to say was initially disappointing and lifeless when first plugged in because I was used to the earlier machines. The absolute differences between the later models is more subtle, but the 600's are quite obviously warmer. I would also observe that in general the two head models are slightly warmer sounding than the three heads. On the subject of specsmanship and sound, again personal observation from a stint in Audio sales between real jobs.... I have never seen any Japanese equipment with a bad 'paper' spec, yet they can sound so different... I recall a particular Hitachi amp sounded absolute crap to put it bluntly, Sony's in general were 'dull' ( yet they sold relatively well), and Technics and Sanui's not bad if a little warm.. that word again.. yet no differences in THD etc, etc... hence I just now trust my own ears. Local and British gear has it's own similar sound, as did the US gear..and BTW, Carver's didn't sound quite as bad as some people claimed :o). Anyway, I digress.... as part of this job I had the opportunity to play with some very esoteric gear ( and purchase at staff rate... substantially less than what the street punter would pay!) At that stage I thought I was in the market for a new preamp to surpass my Nak 610.. I mean, with all those switches, pots, and bus rails etc...it ran counter to the purist approach or so the indoctrination went.. yet try as I could, I didn't find anything that could beat my 610 in my home system, and we are talking top of the range Musical Fidelity etc, etc, It was at that point I walked off with my 610, happy as a dog with two tails, got off the audio upgrade merry go round and went back to listening to music rather than chasing specs.... I still retain the 610 as the heart of my system, it works for me, and very much still enjoy the music. Cheers, Martin (the soapbox is now in the recycle bin...) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20051028114827.6A086671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hi again, Thanks for all the tips - very useful advice. Those Pioneer decks are tough to find information on ! Nothing very useful from google (except complaining about their unreliability), no ebay listings...any reason for that? By contrast there's an abundance of info on the Naks around. I'm still thinking about the Dragon. The Pioneer has a price advantage for sure (if one can actually be found!) and seems to be the deck to use on faded or worn cassettes, but that's actually not my problem - most of my tapes are in good shape, and are from the early 90s (so not ancient), but many are just homemade demo tapes (or copies of demos onto cheap Type I) or live bootlegs, so my issue is that they were unprofessionally produced. So, I may not be able to improve the sound from them (although the aforementioned Play Trim definitely helps to do this) but I certainly don't want a deck which enhances any existing poor quality. So for example, the issue of worn pressure pads means my Yamaha KX-393 deck makes the tape sound worse than it actually is, and I suppose there may be other aspects to a cheaper deck (such as my Yamaha) which are not helping an already badly recorded tape (??) Or maybe I'm just being overly paranoid about all of this. I do clean and demag regularly. I thought about transferring tapes with bad pressure pads into new shells, but I've read that this may not be a good idea for azimuth reasons. Then again on cheaply (or home) produced cassettes does any of this really matter? Are the differences even going to be audible? If anyone thinks that trying to maximise performance of such cheaply produced tapes is unlikely to be fruitful, and that I should just stick with what I've got, please speak up! You'll be saving me money ! But the pressure pads thing is definitely annoying me, because I know it's causing audible problems... Best Regards, Shane From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 28 15:31:15 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:31:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <000401c5db12$63bdbb00$119187d9@oemcomputer> References: <000401c5db12$63bdbb00$119187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43622823.3000407@rcn.com> Graham, This is one aspect of the McGurk effect I mentioned in a previous post. From what I've read, the effect works even when one is aware of the tricks it plays on one's mind. For example, a recording is played of some speech. Then, the same recording is played, along with a video showing the speaker saying and/or acting something different. The listener's perception follows what they see, rather than what they hear, even though they are already aware of the exact audio content of the recording. The test may be repeated many times; listeners always 'hear' what they see, yet perceive the audio correctly when no video accompanies the audio. I find this amazing. I knew visual cues (as well as any preconceived notions) affect what we *think* we hear, but had no idea it was that pronounced. The obvious conclusion is that our brain affects our perception of what we physically hear. This was extensively discussed in one of the audio NGs, I forget which. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > Well, a colleague of mine was present when from a selection of identical > speakers some were very consistently preferred over the others in terms of > their sound ... that is, until they were hidden behind a curtain and their > colours could no longer be seen. (Thus suggesting that the visual > appearance of a piece of equipment affects aural perception.) > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: 26 October 2005 23:17 >>To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox >> >>How does one measure >>ANY human sensory perception with absolute accuracy, with the occasional >>exception such as astigmatism or visual acuity? >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 28 15:44:26 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:44:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes In-Reply-To: <001001c5db42$731e57a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <4360F092.5040603@yahoo.ca> <001001c5db42$731e57a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051028092411.01a9c778@psulias.psu.edu> Recorded a couple LPs this week with EMTEC Chrome Extra tapes. Did Queen the Works and Styx Pieces of Eight. Recorded one on my CR-5, one on my Dragon. Little twonky to set up right. The ideal level seemed to be a lot lower than the Maxell XLIIS could take. I could easily push +7 peaks with no adverse effects, but anything past +3/4 seem to harshen up fast on the EMTEC. Bias was also very touchy. No problem with the Dragon, but with the CR-5 had to crank the Fine Bias about 2/3 to the right. Now the good news. Very detailed tape, more so than the XLIIS and brighter. Manages to keep good dynamics despite the relatively low saturation level. Sounds very flat and punchy (in good ways) as opposed to the XLIIS which had a bigger, warmer sound. I usually raised the bias on XLIIS for a little brighter hi-end, so these worked out just fine. And for .60 a piece, it was a steal. As I think someone noted, the EMTEC will be great for people with decks that have calibration features, but possibly not great for your standard household deck, which is where Maxell is probably aiming with all their tapes at this point. Borrowed the Police Greatest Hits SACD from the libarary and will test it out with the SKC Metals this weekend. Oh yea. EMTEC shells are pretty good. A little rattle but not too much. SKC shells seem pretty pedestrian for $7.50 tapes. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Oct 28 15:45:52 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:45:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] re: The Paradox... Nak related.. In-Reply-To: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> References: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051028094458.01a69cf8@psulias.psu.edu> I second that. My Dragon adds it's own signature to the music. Really fills out the midrange if you ask me. Produces a bigger sound than the source. >"...I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that >recording a cd >onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer >sound...." Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 28 16:46:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:46:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051028092411.01a9c778@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <006701c5dbce$541d9d20$4b8887d9@oemcomputer> I endorse your findings, Derrick. I like the EMTEC Chrome Extra (and Chrome II.) I particularly agree with your finding that the Maxwell's seem warmer. That used to be a problem for me when I used an Aiwa deck which didn't allow for much fine bias adjustment. Regards Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: 28 October 2005 14:44 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes > > > Recorded a couple LPs this week with EMTEC Chrome Extra tapes. Did Queen > the Works and Styx Pieces of Eight. Recorded one on my CR-5, one on my > Dragon. > Little twonky to set up right. The ideal level seemed to be a lot lower > than the Maxell XLIIS could take. I could easily push +7 peaks with no > adverse effects, but anything past +3/4 seem to harshen up fast on the > EMTEC. Bias was also very touchy. No problem with the Dragon, but with > the CR-5 had to crank the Fine Bias about 2/3 to the right. > Now the good news. Very detailed tape, more so than the XLIIS and > brighter. Manages to keep good dynamics despite the relatively low > saturation level. Sounds very flat and punchy (in good ways) as > opposed to > the XLIIS which had a bigger, warmer sound. I usually raised the bias on > XLIIS for a little brighter hi-end, so these worked out just > fine. And for > .60 a piece, it was a steal. > > As I think someone noted, the EMTEC will be great for people with decks > that have calibration features, but possibly not great for your standard > household deck, which is where Maxell is probably aiming with all their > tapes at this point. > > Borrowed the Police Greatest Hits SACD from the libarary and will test it > out with the SKC Metals this weekend. > > Oh yea. EMTEC shells are pretty good. A little rattle but not too > much. SKC shells seem pretty pedestrian for $7.50 tapes. > > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 28 17:06:42 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:06:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes In-Reply-To: <006701c5dbce$541d9d20$4b8887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c5dbd1$360f7e40$7300a8c0@Shaun> Graham, My own findings with Maxell tape were that it was very well suited to the Aiwa (I had both the AD1300 2 head and the 3500 3 head decks). I found that UDXLIIS was the best for me. I found it hard to tell the difference between source and copy. Having said that my other gear was not top end although I always monitored through Senheiser 420 headphones which were/still are quite revealing. I found all type 2 tapes too soft for my liking, regardless of the bias setting. Now that I have Nak decks I wish I could locate reasonably priced Nakamichi cassette tapes to hear how they sound on them. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 28 October 2005 15:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes I endorse your findings, Derrick. I like the EMTEC Chrome Extra (and Chrome II.) I particularly agree with your finding that the Maxwell's seem warmer. That used to be a problem for me when I used an Aiwa deck which didn't allow for much fine bias adjustment. Regards Graham From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 28 17:30:37 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:30:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes Message-ID: <001001c5dbd4$8ce4c600$7300a8c0@Shaun> What I should have said was IEC2 tapes not just type 2 (chrome) -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Montgomery [mailto:spmontgomery at ntlworld.com] Sent: 28 October 2005 16:07 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes Graham, My own findings with Maxell tape were that it was very well suited to the Aiwa (I had both the AD1300 2 head and the 3500 3 head decks). I found that UDXLIIS was the best for me. I found it hard to tell the difference between source and copy. Having said that my other gear was not top end although I always monitored through Senheiser 420 headphones which were/still are quite revealing. I found all type 2 tapes too soft for my liking, regardless of the bias setting. Now that I have Nak decks I wish I could locate reasonably priced Nakamichi cassette tapes to hear how they sound on them. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 28 October 2005 15:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes I endorse your findings, Derrick. I like the EMTEC Chrome Extra (and Chrome II.) I particularly agree with your finding that the Maxwell's seem warmer. That used to be a problem for me when I used an Aiwa deck which didn't allow for much fine bias adjustment. Regards Graham From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 28 17:37:20 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:37:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <006701c5dbce$541d9d20$4b8887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable cassette deck? I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional is 40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record pipe organ who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? Shaun From dcuthill at precision-es.com Fri Oct 28 17:45:11 2005 From: dcuthill at precision-es.com (dcuthill at precision-es.com) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:45:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 Message-ID: Does anyone have or know where I can locate the wired remote for a BX-300? Or does anyone have any ideas on how to convert the wired functionality to wireless infra-red? David ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. ***************************************** ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. ***************************************** From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 28 17:59:07 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:59:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] re: The Paradox... Nak related.. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051028094458.01a69cf8@psulias.psu.edu> References: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> <6.1.2.0.2.20051028094458.01a69cf8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <43624ACB.4030906@yahoo.ca> It was me. The Nak gives a small coloration that sounds warmer to me. Some people really like this effect and they put a tube stage between the source and preamp just to make the sound warmer. I'm currently listening to a Supertramp tape dubbed using a cheapo Aiwa mini-system with an RS type I tape and it's not bad at all(Sounds musical). Other Supertramp CDs I have sound boring compared to the tape. I guess it's the fault of the CD player. I also find it strange that tapes recorded from other players sound really good on the Nak but that on the recorder they were recorded, they sounds bad. Antoine Deschênes Derrick Beckner a écrit : > I second that. My Dragon adds it's own signature to the music. > Really fills out the midrange if you ask me. Produces a bigger sound > than the source. > > >> "...I am sure that I can remember a previous posting stating that >> recording a cd >> onto a Nak and then listening to the tape gave the music a better warmer >> sound...." > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 28 17:59:42 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:59:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox In-Reply-To: <001001c5db42$731e57a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001001c5db42$731e57a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43624AEE.5080001@yahoo.ca> In fact, I think that you don't pay the price of the features like auto reverse, fine tune bias, auto azimuth, etc... It seems that the circuits are similar between a lot of Naks. I bought it 115$ CAD with shipping, it was serviced, and I had two motors that needed rebuild within a week and I think there's a problem with recording I'll have to fix and I guess the capstan bearing is worn out. At least, I have the gear mod.(The only good part) Apart from that, playback is great! Antoine Deschênes Shaun Montgomery a écrit : >Paul, > >The BX-2 is a very good start to purchasing your own hi-fi. I purchased one >recently and am surprised at just how good it sounds for the very modest >price that I paid for it. It took the service technician 3.5 hours to sort >out the drive motor and pcb grounding and dry joints that caused a hum/buzz >together with a set of new belts and idler wheel. Even then, at £57 service >cost on top of the £3.50 I paid for the deck I consider it to be extremely >good value for money. > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Antoine Deschênes >Sent: 27 October 2005 16:22 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The Paradox > > >Paul Dingle a écrit : > > >>Nice to hear there are passionate listeners out there--makes this ol' >>pianist feel kinda warm & fuzzy! Thank you for all the good >>discussion--much of it has been quite thought provoking. >> >>Like many of you, I have had an almost steady parade of gear in my >>home stereo in the quest for what my ears tell me is the most pleasing >>sound to my ears. In many ways, the whole argument can be a fool's >>errand when it comes to arguing what's "best". >> >> >> >I haven't bought anything apart from the BX-2 in my system. Everything >else (h/k, EICO, Sony, Toshiba, Superscope) are gifts. At least, I >haven't spent too much $$$ on this and I don't have the lowest-fi >system. I'm not planning of buying speakers or amps since I could DIY >some for cheap. The only problem I have is with the speakers. My >Yorkville PAs have a great tone but miss the freqs. under 70Hz. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 20:05:24 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051028180525.10213.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your best bet for the RM-200 is to lurk on eBay for it. You can make the BX-300 IR wireless remote controllerable if you get a CA-7A preamp. Your other option is the rare and very expensive Nak RM-580 IR Remote specifically for tape decks that take the RM-200 wired remote. There is an alternative if you are electronic savvy. I have seen IR remote kits like this one http://www.rentron.com/project03.htm , but, this one is only 4 channels or outputs. For controlling your Nak you would probably want all 6 function remote controllable (REV, FF, Stop, Play, Pause, Rec). If you don't need Pause and Rec then this kit might work for you. The inputs on the back of the Nak are close contact to ground to activate. Just touch it to ground monentarily to activate the function. Here's the pinout. http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif SJ --- dcuthill at precision-es.com wrote: > > Does anyone have or know where I can locate the wired remote for a > BX-300? > Or does anyone have any ideas on how to convert the wired > functionality to > wireless infra-red? > > David > > ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** > This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should > only be > read by the person(s) to whom > it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, > please > notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. > ***************************************** > ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** > This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should > only be > read by the person(s) to whom > it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, > please > notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. > ***************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 20:06:39 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20051028180639.94468.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's a page from my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/550_Spec.html Scott J. --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable > cassette > deck? > > I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional > is > 40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record > pipe organ > who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 28 19:19:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:19:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes Message-ID: Hi Derrick! Give a try to Fuji "Z" Mk-2 tape...and I'm 100% sure that you will love it! Here in Israel I think that still in a very low stock for $:1.00 each 90 minutes length! Really a bargain at that price, Made in Japan!!! Be well! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC tapes >Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:44:26 -0400 > >Recorded a couple LPs this week with EMTEC Chrome Extra tapes. Did Queen >the Works and Styx Pieces of Eight. Recorded one on my CR-5, one on my >Dragon. >Little twonky to set up right. The ideal level seemed to be a lot lower >than the Maxell XLIIS could take. I could easily push +7 peaks with no >adverse effects, but anything past +3/4 seem to harshen up fast on the >EMTEC. Bias was also very touchy. No problem with the Dragon, but with >the CR-5 had to crank the Fine Bias about 2/3 to the right. >Now the good news. Very detailed tape, more so than the XLIIS and >brighter. Manages to keep good dynamics despite the relatively low >saturation level. Sounds very flat and punchy (in good ways) as opposed to >the XLIIS which had a bigger, warmer sound. I usually raised the bias on >XLIIS for a little brighter hi-end, so these worked out just fine. And for >.60 a piece, it was a steal. > >As I think someone noted, the EMTEC will be great for people with decks >that have calibration features, but possibly not great for your standard >household deck, which is where Maxell is probably aiming with all their >tapes at this point. > >Borrowed the Police Greatest Hits SACD from the libarary and will test it >out with the SKC Metals this weekend. > >Oh yea. EMTEC shells are pretty good. A little rattle but not too much. >SKC shells seem pretty pedestrian for $7.50 tapes. > > > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Oct 28 19:41:33 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:41:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <43622823.3000407@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron The aspect to bear in mind is that the brain is constantly filtering the signals from all our senses, we literaly do hear what we want to hear most of the time. Without this filtering we would be overwhelmed by the amount of information presented to us. How often have you found that once you are aware of an annoying sound in the background, it becomes so intrusive that it seems impossible you were not previously aware of it? Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 28 October 2005 14:31 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox snip ---- I find this amazing. I knew visual cues (as well as any preconceived notions) affect what we *think* we hear, but had no idea it was that pronounced. The obvious conclusion is that our brain affects our perception of what we physically hear. This was extensively discussed in one of the audio NGs, I forget which. -- Ron snip------- From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 28 19:45:17 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <436263AD.60601@yahoo.ca> 16Hz? It's not really useful apart if there is a need to make the floor shaking. I don't really think that organe are played often at that frequency. Anyways, you should first look for the microphone's specs as I don't know many of them going lower than 40Hz. Antoine Deschênes Shaun Montgomery a écrit : >Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable cassette >deck? > >I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional is >40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record pipe organ >who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? > >Shaun > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 28 19:53:32 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:53:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362659C.2080908@yahoo.ca> You would need to build some IR remote project or buy an IR kit. If there's one wire per function, it's quite easy to do. Antoine Deschênes dcuthill at precision-es.com a écrit : >Does anyone have or know where I can locate the wired remote for a BX-300? >Or does anyone have any ideas on how to convert the wired functionality to >wireless infra-red? > >David > >***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** >This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only be >read by the person(s) to whom >it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, please >notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. >***************************************** >***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** >This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only be >read by the person(s) to whom >it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, please >notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. >***************************************** > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Fri Oct 28 20:14:50 2005 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:14:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Message-ID: <001401c5dbeb$7cf314b0$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> So where is the best place to buy EMTEC tapes? Randall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 28 20:32:07 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:32:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43626EA7.1040205@bellsouth.net> The Nak 550 owners manual states the frequency response to be 40-17000 Hz +/- 3 dB (SX or EX II tape). (Stating a frequency response without a qualifier or two is doesn't really give you any useful information). You may end up recording notes lower than 40Hz with either machine but they may be +/- greater than 3 dB. The frequency curves depicted on page 8 of the Nak owners manual show response from 20 to 20K (and blips of response around 25K and 32K) with and without Dolby. Comparing the response curves might be a little interesing, but the ear test is better, if you have the opportunity to compare the units. I'm sure our more technically advanced members can give you a more thorough answer. Atlanta Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable cassette >deck? > >I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional is >40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record pipe organ >who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? > >Shaun > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From ron.barrett at cox.net Fri Oct 28 20:36:06 2005 From: ron.barrett at cox.net (ron barrett) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:36:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Error in MR-1 Service Manual? Message-ID: <43626F96.9030109@cox.net> Does anyone know if there is an error Section 3.5, Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, of the MR-1 Service Manual? Part 1, Playback Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, starts with playing a 1 kHZ Track Alignment B Tape. Then it calls for turning the PH Height Gear until the outputs of both channels become minimum. Next a 15 kHz Azimuth Tape is played and the PH Azimuth Alignment Screw is turned until the outputs of both channels become maximum. Part 2, Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, is similar. It starts with recording a 400 Hz tone and adjusting the RH Height Gear until the outputs of both channels becomes maximum. Then a 15 kHz tone is recorded and the RH Azimuth Alignment Screw is adjusted until the outputs of both channels become maximum. I'm wondering if in Part 1 the PH Height Gear should be adjusted until the outputs of both channels become maximum? The reasons I think the manual might be wrong are: a) There is no well defined minimum. The maximum is well defined, but the signal drops off on either side of the maximum and never really comes back up to define a minimum. b) A similar adjustment for Part 2 specifies adjusting for a maximum for both the low frequency and high frequency signals. So, can anyone out there tell me the proper procedure for adjusting the PH Height Gear? Thanks, Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 28 20:47:09 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:47:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20051028180525.10213.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051028180525.10213.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4362722D.5040508@yahoo.ca> Or FPRC5RX, but with it, you need to build the whole circuit yourself. You also need to program the microcontroller with the provided ROM. After that, you get a cheap universal remote and program some Sony codes in it. Antoine Deschênes Scott Johnson a écrit : >Your best bet for the RM-200 is to lurk on eBay for it. > >You can make the BX-300 IR wireless remote controllerable if you get >a CA-7A preamp. > >Your other option is the rare and very expensive Nak RM-580 IR Remote >specifically for tape decks that take the RM-200 wired remote. > >There is an alternative if you are electronic savvy. I have seen IR >remote kits like this one http://www.rentron.com/project03.htm , but, >this one is only 4 channels or outputs. For controlling your Nak you >would probably want all 6 function remote controllable (REV, FF, >Stop, Play, Pause, Rec). If you don't need Pause and Rec then this >kit might work for you. The inputs on the back of the Nak are close >contact to ground to activate. Just touch it to ground monentarily >to activate the function. >Here's the pinout. http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > >SJ > >--- dcuthill at precision-es.com wrote: > > > >>Does anyone have or know where I can locate the wired remote for a >>BX-300? >>Or does anyone have any ideas on how to convert the wired >>functionality to >>wireless infra-red? >> >>David >> >>***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** >>This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should >>only be >>read by the person(s) to whom >>it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, >>please >>notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. >>***************************************** >>***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** >>This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should >>only be >>read by the person(s) to whom >>it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, >>please >>notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. >>***************************************** >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From flifton at mac.com Fri Oct 28 20:58:43 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:58:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <200510262203.j9QM3MnM008907@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510262203.j9QM3MnM008907@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5223244A-E821-4C55-895F-C2BDCC310D5A@mac.com> Hi Folks, I just scored a Nak 250 for my car. Does anyone know the pin-outs for the two power supply connections? There is a round, DIN style connector with 4 pins (plus a ground?) and a six-lead connection block, both marked "DC 12V". Why are there two connections? Anyone have the manual or schematics? thanks, Fred From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 28 21:25:24 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:25:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <20051028180639.94468.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001c5dbf5$596b1e70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for that Scott. So, the 550 also only shows low frequency of 40Hz 3db. I wonder what useable output there is below that? Anybody any knowledge of that? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 28 October 2005 19:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 Here's a page from my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/550_Spec.html Scott J. --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable > cassette deck? > > I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional is > 40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record > pipe organ > who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 28 21:33:05 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:33:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <436263AD.60601@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <003101c5dbf6$6c6b5b60$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well, in that case I will have to be careful over my microphone choice here. Perhaps Kermit has some opinion here. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 28 October 2005 18:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 16Hz? It's not really useful apart if there is a need to make the floor shaking. I don't really think that organe are played often at that frequency. Anyways, you should first look for the microphone's specs as I don't know many of them going lower than 40Hz. Antoine Deschênes Shaun Montgomery a écrit : >Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable >cassette deck? > >I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional is >40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record pipe >organ who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? > >Shaun > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 28 22:20:09 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:20:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <43626EA7.1040205@bellsouth.net> References: <001101c5dbd5$7d2cc450$7300a8c0@Shaun> <43626EA7.1040205@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <436287F9.6040705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike & Shaun, I've recorded pipe organ using both the Sony and the Nak 550 -- an extreme test of even the finest full-sized recorders, analog or digital. The microphones used both times were AKG D200E, an unusual 2-way dynamic mic exhibiting condensor like sound but with a dynamic mic's SPL capabilities. Sony: harsh overall sound on the loudest of the gravest passages, obtrusive noise floor during quiet passages, very good imaging, very good midrange. Mic preamps subject to clipping. The deck is able to record pitches lower than 40 cps, but I was unable to record as low as 16 cps. Unable to handle powerful sonorities of "Tocatta and Fugue in D." Captain Nemo would not like this deck. Nak 550: Clean overall sound on the loudest of the gravest passages, less-obtrusive noise floor during quiet passages, near-flawless imaging (possible because of three-mic pickup versus two-mic pickup of Sony), excellent midrange, clean treble, no boominess in the bass at all. The deck is able to record pitches as low as 16 cps, although it is 6 to 10 dB down at that point depending on the tape (and how carefully you tweak the bias) and on how high the level is. (Cassettes will saturate below 30 Hz with high flux densities and therefore lose output level, a not-well-known trait.) The truly excellent peak limiter let it handle powerful sonorities of "Tocatta and Fugue in D." Captain Nemo probably owns this deck. NOTE that with any deck the powerful bass of pipe organ can cause the music to be swamped if a limiter is used too agressively. Also, as long as you record 32 cps, the first harmonic, you're okay musically BUT you'll lack the "feel" and power of the dep 16-cps bass pipes. The Nak 550 has the best peak limiter and the cleanest, most big-studio sounding microphone preamps of any battery-powered portable recorder I've used (other than Stellavox), including Marantz ((gritty-sounding mic preamps that clip when driven hard -- and a very obvious-sounding limiter), Uher, Nagra (although those used in the Nagra D are as good), HHB, and Sony. You're more likely to lose quality because of the microphones than because of the Nak 550. Here is where you really cannot get by with cheap mics. Michael Moore wrote: > The Nak 550 owners manual states the frequency response to be 40-17000 > Hz +/- 3 dB (SX or EX II tape). ... The frequency curves depicted on page 8 of > the Nak owners manual show response from 20 to 20K ... . > > Shaun Montgomery wrote: > >> Does anybody have the frequency response for the Nak 550 portable cassette >> deck? >> >> I see that the frequency response for the Sony Walkman Professional is >> 40hz-15Khz. Would this be a limiting factor when trying to record pipe >> organ >> who's lowest notes descend to 16hz? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 28 22:22:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:22:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: The Paradox... Nak related.. In-Reply-To: <43624ACB.4030906@yahoo.ca> References: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> <6.1.2.0.2.20051028094458.01a69cf8@psulias.psu.edu> <43624ACB.4030906@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43628868.4050503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I also find it strange that tapes recorded from other players sound > really good on the Nak but that on the recorder they were recorded, they > sounds bad. This is largely because of Nak's IEC1 EQ makes tapes sound made on other decks too bright and causing Dolby mistracking. Other deck manufacturers use IEC2 EQ. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 28 23:11:03 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:11:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Error in MR-1 Service Manual? In-Reply-To: <43626F96.9030109@cox.net> References: <43626F96.9030109@cox.net> Message-ID: <436293E7.1050201@rcn.com> ron barrett wrote: > Does anyone know if there is an error Section 3.5, Playback Head and > Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, of the MR-1 > Service Manual? > > Part 1, Playback Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, starts > with playing a 1 kHZ Track Alignment B Tape. Then it calls for turning > the PH Height Gear until the outputs of both channels become _minimum_. > Next a 15 kHz Azimuth Tape is played and the PH Azimuth Alignment Screw > is turned until the outputs of both channels become maximum. > Part 2, Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, is similar. > It starts with recording a 400 Hz tone and adjusting the RH Height Gear > until the outputs of both channels becomes _maximum_. Then a 15 kHz > tone is recorded and the RH Azimuth Alignment Screw is adjusted until > the outputs of both channels become maximum. > > I'm wondering if in Part 1 the PH Height Gear should be adjusted until > the outputs of both channels become _maximum_? Seems to me that if the test tape channels are out of phase (and further, track width is slightly narrower than standard), then correct height is indeed achieved by *minimum* output. If, however, you are using a non-Nak cassette for the adjustment (channels in phase), then maximum is correct. Bottom line: depends on your test track. > The reasons I think the > manual might be wrong are: > a) There is no well defined minimum. > The maximum is well defined, but > the signal drops off on either side of the maximum and never really > comes back up to define a minimum. > b) A similar adjustment for Part 2 specifies adjusting for a maximum for > both the low frequency and high frequency signals. But part 2 deals with recording and adjusting the REC head to the already aligned PB head. Maximum is correct. -- Ron > So, can anyone out there tell me the proper procedure for adjusting the > PH Height Gear? > > > > Thanks, Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 28 23:10:20 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:10:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] re: The Paradox... Nak related.. In-Reply-To: <43628868.4050503@woods-and-waters.com> References: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> <6.1.2.0.2.20051028094458.01a69cf8@psulias.psu.edu> <43624ACB.4030906@yahoo.ca> <43628868.4050503@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <436293BC.4070102@yahoo.ca> If I use Dolby on these home-recorded tapes, it sounds compressed. A lot of commercial ones are OK tho. Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> I also find it strange that tapes recorded from other players sound >> really good on the Nak but that on the recorder they were recorded, >> they sounds bad. > > This is largely because of Nak's IEC1 EQ makes tapes sound made on > other decks too bright and causing Dolby mistracking. Other deck > manufacturers use IEC2 EQ. > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 28 23:37:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:37:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: The Paradox... Nak related.. In-Reply-To: <436293BC.4070102@yahoo.ca> References: <006301c5db4e$1280f360$0201a8c0@lan> <6.1.2.0.2.20051028094458.01a69cf8@psulias.psu.edu> <43624ACB.4030906@yahoo.ca> <43628868.4050503@woods-and-waters.com> <436293BC.4070102@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <436299FC.4010901@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > If I use Dolby on these home-recorded tapes, it sounds compressed. A lot > of commercial ones are OK tho. To me, that sounds exactly like the Dolby mistracking because you're playing IEC2 EQed tapes on an IEC1 EQed deck. > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > >> Hi Antoine, >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> I also find it strange that tapes recorded from other players sound >>> really good on the Nak but that on the recorder they were recorded, >>> they sounds bad. >> >> >> This is largely because of Nak's IEC1 EQ makes tapes sound made on >> other decks too bright and causing Dolby mistracking. Other deck >> manufacturers use IEC2 EQ. >> -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 29 00:02:44 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:02:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <436287F9.6040705@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003201c5dc0b$5673fc80$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well Kermit, Thanks for that illuminating and very useful info. It seems that my efforts should be directed at getting a good working Nak 550 if church organ concerts are going to be my want. I am fortunate here, in that we have reputedly the largest parish church in England, Christchurch Priory, (larger than some cathedrals) and an excellent newly built dual console pipe organ. The church is over 900 years old and the organ 900 days! There are many musical concerts there, including organ recitals by resident and visiting organists, some of which I would very much like to try to record. I have never tried this before, so your comments are very welcome indeed. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 28 October 2005 21:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 Hi Mike & Shaun, I've recorded pipe organ using both the Sony and the Nak 550 -- an extreme test of even the finest full-sized recorders, analog or digital. The microphones used both times were AKG D200E, an unusual 2-way dynamic mic exhibiting condensor like sound but with a dynamic mic's SPL capabilities....... From ron.barrett at cox.net Sat Oct 29 00:17:08 2005 From: ron.barrett at cox.net (ron barrett) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:17:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Error in MR-1 Service Manual? In-Reply-To: <436293E7.1050201@rcn.com> References: <43626F96.9030109@cox.net> <436293E7.1050201@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4362A364.3060005@cox.net> Ron wrote: > ron barrett wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is an error Section 3.5, Playback Head and >> Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, of the MR-1 >> Service Manual? >> >> Part 1, Playback Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, >> starts with playing a 1 kHZ Track Alignment B Tape. Then it calls for >> turning the PH Height Gear until the outputs of both channels become >> _minimum_. Next a 15 kHz Azimuth Tape is played and the PH Azimuth >> Alignment Screw is turned until the outputs of both channels become >> maximum. >> Part 2, Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, is >> similar. It starts with recording a 400 Hz tone and adjusting the RH >> Height Gear until the outputs of both channels becomes _maximum_. >> Then a 15 kHz tone is recorded and the RH Azimuth Alignment Screw is >> adjusted until the outputs of both channels become maximum. >> >> I'm wondering if in Part 1 the PH Height Gear should be adjusted >> until the outputs of both channels become _maximum_? > > > Seems to me that if the test tape channels are out of > phase (and further, track width is slightly narrower > than standard), then correct height is indeed achieved > by *minimum* output. If, however, you are using a > non-Nak cassette for the adjustment (channels in phase), > then maximum is correct. > > Bottom line: depends on your test track. > > I think you've got it. I am using a non-Nak test cassette, probably > with the channels in phase. Thanks for the enlightening response! Ron > > The reasons I think the > >> manual might be wrong are: >> a) There is no well defined minimum. > > > The maximum is well defined, but > >> the signal drops off on either side of the maximum and never really >> comes back up to define a minimum. >> b) A similar adjustment for Part 2 specifies adjusting for a maximum >> for both the low frequency and high frequency signals. > > > But part 2 deals with recording and adjusting the REC > head to the already aligned PB head. Maximum is correct. > > -- Ron > > >> So, can anyone out there tell me the proper procedure for adjusting >> the PH Height Gear? >> >> >> >> Thanks, Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Oct 29 00:18:33 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:18:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <5223244A-E821-4C55-895F-C2BDCC310D5A@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, If I remember right, assuming yours is the TD-250, the block is for the speakers and the power leads, the DIN type connector is for the CD changer cable connection to the MF-41/51 changers. The changers take their power from the DIN leads, hence the +12 on there. The 6 lead connectio block should be the one to use for the power connections. Maybe if you can post up a picture that might help us to identify things more accurately? Cheers, Kelvin. >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 >Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:58:43 -0700 > >Hi Folks, >I just scored a Nak 250 for my car. Does anyone know the pin-outs for the >two power supply connections? There is a round, DIN style connector with 4 >pins (plus a ground?) and a six-lead connection block, both marked "DC >12V". Why are there two connections? Anyone have the manual or schematics? >thanks, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 29 00:28:24 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:28:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <5223244A-E821-4C55-895F-C2BDCC310D5A@mac.com> References: <200510262203.j9QM3MnM008907@zxe.naks.com> <5223244A-E821-4C55-895F-C2BDCC310D5A@mac.com> Message-ID: <4362A608.9080906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Folks, > I just scored a Nak 250 for my car. Does anyone know the pin-outs for > the two power supply connections? There is a round, DIN style connector > with 4 pins (plus a ground?) and a six-lead connection block, both > marked "DC 12V". Why are there two connections? Anyone have the manual > or schematics? So you're the guy who outbid me on the 250! Fink. :) Ah well, I'm glad a friend got it! http://servicemanuals.net has both download and paper copy of the servic manual that will give you all the connection info you need. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 06:42:34 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Error in MR-1 Service Manual? In-Reply-To: <4362A364.3060005@cox.net> Message-ID: <20051029044235.34609.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's not an issue of in phase or out of phase. The Nakamichi Track Alignment tape is rather unique. The following is from my web site which I have listed a description of all the Nakamichi test tapes. DA09007 - 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape - This tape has a 1 kHz signal recorded on it, but, it's recorded on either side of the tracks center. It is used for adjusting the PB head height. When using this tape the PB head is adjusted for minimum signal out, NOT maximum like the 15 kHz azimuth tape. It's almost as if they recorded the 1kHz on the tape across the whole tape and then carefully erased down the middle of the track. SJ --- ron barrett wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > ron barrett wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know if there is an error Section 3.5, Playback Head > and > >> Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, of the > MR-1 > >> Service Manual? > >> > >> Part 1, Playback Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, > >> starts with playing a 1 kHZ Track Alignment B Tape. Then it > calls for > >> turning the PH Height Gear until the outputs of both channels > become > >> _minimum_. Next a 15 kHz Azimuth Tape is played and the PH > Azimuth > >> Alignment Screw is turned until the outputs of both channels > become > >> maximum. > >> Part 2, Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, is > >> similar. It starts with recording a 400 Hz tone and adjusting > the RH > >> Height Gear until the outputs of both channels becomes > _maximum_. > >> Then a 15 kHz tone is recorded and the RH Azimuth Alignment > Screw is > >> adjusted until the outputs of both channels become maximum. > >> > >> I'm wondering if in Part 1 the PH Height Gear should be adjusted > > >> until the outputs of both channels become _maximum_? > > > > > > Seems to me that if the test tape channels are out of > > phase (and further, track width is slightly narrower > > than standard), then correct height is indeed achieved > > by *minimum* output. If, however, you are using a > > non-Nak cassette for the adjustment (channels in phase), > > then maximum is correct. > > > > Bottom line: depends on your test track. > > > > I think you've got it. I am using a non-Nak test cassette, > probably > > with the channels in phase. Thanks for the enlightening response! > > > > Ron > > > > The reasons I think the > > > >> manual might be wrong are: > >> a) There is no well defined minimum. > > > > > The maximum is well defined, but > > > >> the signal drops off on either side of the maximum and never > really > >> comes back up to define a minimum. > >> b) A similar adjustment for Part 2 specifies adjusting for a > maximum > >> for both the low frequency and high frequency signals. > > > > > > But part 2 deals with recording and adjusting the REC > > head to the already aligned PB head. Maximum is correct. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > >> So, can anyone out there tell me the proper procedure for > adjusting > >> the PH Height Gear? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Thanks, Ron > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 29 01:14:19 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:14:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <003201c5dc0b$5673fc80$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <003201c5dc0b$5673fc80$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <4362B0CB.3090406@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Well Kermit, > > Thanks for that illuminating and very useful info. It seems that my efforts > should be directed at getting a good working Nak 550 if church organ > concerts are going to be my want. I am fortunate here, in that we have > reputedly the largest parish church in England, Christchurch Priory, (larger > than some cathedrals) and an excellent newly built dual console pipe organ. > The church is over 900 years old and the organ 900 days! There are many > musical concerts there, including organ recitals by resident and visiting > organists, some of which I would very much like to try to record. Oh man am I jealous! I'd love to be there recording your lovely organ! You are truly blessed. A Nakamichi 550 will be up to the job, but you'll have to practice a bit to find the "sweet spot" for the levels -- you're pushing the limits of the deck with this application. Mic choices are a hard call, because of the exptreme SPLS and the ned for the subtlest of clarity. The cheapies just don't sound good even though the specs claim adequate SPL handling capability. Keep in mind many of the best pipe organ recordings used custom-made mics, like the Studer-modified Schoeps, the John Eider-modified Altec M20 or M30; and the Stephen Paul-modified Neumann M50 -- all are excellent choices by the way. For some mics that are not as lofty in price, or as rare, off the top of my heads, these are some that I'd consider myself (and have used, so I know the sound well): AKG D200E, D202E or D224E (two-way dynamics) One of my favorites. DPA 4003, 4003, 4006TL, 4011 or 4012. (pricey condensors) One of my favorites. Beyerdynamic M201-TG (DYNAMIC) or MCE-530 (condensor; barely up to the job) Earthworks TC30 (omni condensor) Josephson Series 4, Series 6 and Series 7 (condensor) One of my favorites. Milab VM44 (condensor) Peluso CEMC6 (condensor) One of my favorites. Shure SM80 (omni condensor), SM81 (cardioid condensor), KMS141 (condensor) or KMS109 (condensor). Schoeps CMC and Colette Series (pricey condensors) T.H.E. KA mic body/preamp with KR series capsules Oktava MK-012 condensor (The Sound Room version -- NOT the guitar World version). Note that I've found the only dynamics that are up to the job are the AKG D200E, D202E or D224E (two-way dynamics) and, as a distant second, the Beyerdynamic M201-TG (or the older M201 and M200, also sold as the Revox M3500). You will need an outboard phantom power supply with the condensor mics. Hope this helps! let me know how the project goes. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jberger at well.com Sat Oct 29 01:12:24 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 (Fred Lifton) In-Reply-To: <200510282101.j9SL0VGq016691@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510282101.j9SL0VGq016691@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I don't have the schematics, but I think that one of the connectors is for 12v input into the deck, and the second connector allows it to send power to the ADS 2002 speakers that were often packaged with it in the nice padded aluminum case. > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:58:43 -0700 > From: Fred Lifton > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <5223244A-E821-4C55-895F-C2BDCC310D5A at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Folks, > I just scored a Nak 250 for my car. Does anyone know the pin-outs for > the two power supply connections? There is a round, DIN style > connector with 4 pins (plus a ground?) and a six-lead connection > block, both marked "DC 12V". Why are there two connections? Anyone > have the manual or schematics? > thanks, > Fred > > From extendtech at hotmail.com Sat Oct 29 01:54:51 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:54:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 80 In-Reply-To: <200510282100.j9SKxugu016673@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I just checked my service manual for my 1000zxl, and while it has a bunch of stuff for the record automatic azimuth adjustment, it has the same steps. For playback obtain a Min at 1KHz and then max at 15KHz and for record, get the max from both. Ken >From: ron barrett >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Error in MR-1 Service Manual? >Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:36:06 -0700 >Does anyone know if there is an error Section 3.5, Playback Head and Record >Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, of the MR-1 Service Manual? > >Part 1, Playback Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, starts with >playing a 1 kHZ Track Alignment B Tape. Then it calls for turning the PH >Height Gear until the outputs of both channels become minimum. Next a 15 >kHz Azimuth Tape is played and the PH Azimuth Alignment Screw is turned >until the outputs of both channels become maximum. > >Part 2, Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment, is similar. It >starts with recording a 400 Hz tone and adjusting the RH Height Gear until >the outputs of both channels becomes maximum. Then a 15 kHz tone is >recorded and the RH Azimuth Alignment Screw is adjusted until the outputs >of both channels become maximum. > >I'm wondering if in Part 1 the PH Height Gear should be adjusted until the >outputs of both channels become maximum? The reasons I think the manual >might be wrong are: >a) There is no well defined minimum. The maximum is well defined, but the >signal drops off on either side of the maximum and never really comes back >up to define a minimum. >b) A similar adjustment for Part 2 specifies adjusting for a maximum for >both the low frequency and high frequency signals. > >So, can anyone out there tell me the proper procedure for adjusting the PH >Height Gear? > > > Thanks, Ron From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 29 03:01:48 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:01:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox Message-ID: <4362C9FC.5070407@sbcglobal.net> Doug says: "The aspect to bear in mind is that the brain is constantly filtering the signals from all our senses, we literaly do hear what we want to hear most of the time." Ken says: This is a very important and the reason I think some of us are plenty happy with a cheap cd player and a boom box for a stereo. Personally, I find it rather easy to filter out the noise and distortion from analog and tubes. Maybe it is because I grew up with analog and tubes. I have no trouble filtering out tape hiss, a few tics etc. This distortion to me seems to be outside of the sound stage of the music. I tune it out and the music just flows to my brain. I am bothered by pitch instability. I prefer good analog. Digital on the other hand seems to put its distortion right on top of the notes, right on top of the music. I find it very difficult and ultimately fatiguing to filter out the edginess, exaggerated transients, grain etc. The music does not just flow like liquid. But put on an old reel to reel and the music just pours as if it is liquid and I can relax and enjoy it for hours. I don't know why I get bored with solid state amps. I have no trouble with my Nak being solid state, or my Mackie board,etc. I just don't much care for solid state power amps. Anyway, I wish I could accept the distortion I hear with cd's and solid state amps. They are certainly much easier to deal with on a day to day basis. From our.family.mail at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 05:37:04 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (John and Leyla) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:37:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling my CR-5A and RM-200 Message-ID: <000001c5dc3a$0f6f6660$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> I have a CR-5A with the gear upgrade that is in pristine condition without any scuff marks, dings, or other blemishes. It has been sitting in my dust-free wood cabinet alongside a CR-7A. I have the original owner's manual and an RM-200 wired remote in its original plastic wrap and box along with its warranty card :). I have used both CRs very little and have taken meticulous care of them. I would prefer to sell the CR-5A to another enthusiast to enjoy for $475 and the RM-200 remote for $125. I just cleaned the capstans, pressure/pinch rollers, and the heads with a professional solution using lint-free q-tips and demagnetized the deck using the Han-D-Mag demagnetizer made by R. B. Annis Co. (one of the best demagnetizers ever made; have a look here: http://www.soundfirst.com/cleandemag.html). I plan to keep the CR-7A for the time being, but if you are interested in the CR-5A and its remote, please contact me at havemailhere at comcast.net. Thanks. John From our.family.mail at comcast.net Sat Oct 29 06:47:05 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (John and Leyla) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:47:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 Message-ID: <000001c5dc43$d92f4340$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> I have an RM-200 in its original box that I had bought for my CR-5A. I plan to sell the CR-5A with the gear upgrade and pristine condition for $475 and the RM-200 remote for $125. If interested please let me know at havemailhere at comcast.net. John From flifton at mac.com Sat Oct 29 07:33:19 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:33:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <200510290444.j9T4iOLQ018782@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510290444.j9T4iOLQ018782@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Kelvin, but I am actually referring to a "Nakamichi 250", a playback-only, top-loading portable that was made ca. 1973 and was available in a 12v version. It's probably twice the size and weight as the modern TD-250! It's pretty beat. I hope I can make it work. I'm thinking it's like a 550 in a can. cheers, Fred On Oct 28, 2005, at 9:44 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: winnie pooh > Date: October 28, 2005 3:18:33 PM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 250 > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Hi Fred, > > If I remember right, assuming yours is the TD-250, the block is for > the speakers and the power leads, the DIN type connector is for the > CD changer cable connection to the MF-41/51 changers. The changers > take their power from the DIN leads, hence the +12 on there. The 6 > lead connectio block should be the one to use for the power > connections. Maybe if you can post up a picture that might help us > to identify things more accurately? > > Cheers, > Kelvin. > > >> From: Fred Lifton >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 >> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:58:43 -0700 >> >> Hi Folks, >> I just scored a Nak 250 for my car. Does anyone know the pin-outs >> for the two power supply connections? There is a round, DIN >> style connector with 4 pins (plus a ground?) and a six-lead >> connection block, both marked "DC 12V". Why are there two >> connections? Anyone have the manual or schematics? >> thanks, >> Fred > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 29 15:22:05 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:22:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4362C9FC.5070407@sbcglobal.net> References: <4362C9FC.5070407@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4363777D.9040204@rcn.com> Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Doug says: > > > > "The aspect to bear in mind is that the brain is constantly filtering the > signals from all our senses, we literaly do hear what we want to hear most > of the time." > > Ken says: > > This is a very important and the reason I think some of us are plenty > happy with a cheap cd player and a boom box for a stereo. Personally, I > find it rather easy to filter out the noise and distortion from analog > and tubes. Maybe it is because I grew up with analog and tubes. I have > no trouble filtering out tape hiss, a few tics etc. This distortion to > me seems to be outside of the sound stage of the music. I tune it out > and the music just flows to my brain. I am bothered by pitch > instability. I prefer good analog. Digital on the other hand seems to > put its distortion right on top of the notes, right on top of the music. > I find it very difficult and ultimately fatiguing to filter out the > edginess, exaggerated transients, grain etc. The music does not just > flow like liquid. But put on an old reel to reel and the music just > pours as if it is liquid and I can relax and enjoy it for hours. I don't > know why I get bored with solid state amps. I have no trouble with my > Nak being so! > lid state, or my Mackie board,etc. I just don't much care for solid > state power amps. > Anyway, I wish I could accept the distortion I hear with cd's and solid > state amps. They are certainly much easier to deal with on a day to day > basis. A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS amp? Does this make sense to you? No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and others -- find pleasant). Am I right? Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 29 16:45:15 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:45:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D0206D971@ued8.UE.com> References: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D0206D971@ued8.UE.com> Message-ID: <43638AFB.9090506@rcn.com> Dundis, Andy wrote: > nak'rs, > digital vs analog... an age-old debate that keeps cropping up... i'm > sure i dont understand all the technical reasons for this re-occurring > topic, but i've enjoyed the 'psycho' discussions... when CD music first > hit the scene, i could hear that something was missing from the music... > continuity, & while digitally recorded music has come a long way with > improved production, 16 to 20 to 24 bit remastering & the like, it's > still ones & zeros vs continuous sound stream... Just an engineering comment: the ones and zeros are what's happening inside the equipment. At the output you get the exact same continuous sound stream that went in. Period. > not too far from what > happens with a digital photo... the closer you look at it, the more > pixelated it becomes... some visual information is missing. Depends on technical factors. Mainly, pixel density and number of bits/pixel. What you say is true only for low quality pictures. Are you aware that most pictures you are seeing nowadays (some whole movies, too) are digitally mastered? Yet, they are not pixlated at all. -- Ron > my2cents, > andy > > > > Come see Utility Engineering at POWER-GEN International December 6-8, 2005 at Sands Expo in Las Vegas, NV - Booth 4600. > To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an e-mail to power-gen at ue-corp.com Include "Power-Gen Tickets" in the subject. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 29 14:02:47 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:02:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4362C9FC.5070407@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <001001c5dc80$adc7bc40$819a87d9@oemcomputer> This made me smile! I recall one of our brethren once saying before that the best filter was the human brain and for his records he's just sit in front of the speakers, close his eyes and imagine there was an open fire burning in between him and the music ... Result, the clicks and pops vanish into the background! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kenneth Kirkpatrick > Sent: 29 October 2005 02:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox > > > Ken says: > > This is a very important and the reason I think some of us are > plenty happy with a cheap cd player and a boom box for a stereo. > Personally, I find it rather easy to filter out the noise and > distortion from analog and tubes. Maybe it is because I grew up > with analog and tubes. I have no trouble filtering out tape hiss, > a few tics etc. This distortion to me seems to be outside of the > sound stage of the music. I tune it out and the music just flows > to my brain. I am bothered by pitch instability. I prefer good > analog. Digital on the other hand seems to put its distortion > right on top of the notes, right on top of the music. I find it > very difficult and ultimately fatiguing to filter out the > edginess, exaggerated transients, grain etc. The music does not > just flow like liquid. But put on an old reel to reel and the > music just pours as if it is liquid and I can relax and enjoy it > for hours. I don't know why I get bored with solid state amps. I > have no trouble with my Nak being so! > lid state, or my Mackie board,etc. I just don't much care for > solid state power amps. > > Anyway, I wish I could accept the distortion I hear with cd's and > solid state amps. They are certainly much easier to deal with on > a day to day basis. > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 29 15:42:33 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:42:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4363777D.9040204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5dc8e$9e837810$7300a8c0@Shaun> > A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, > noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the > distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter > it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS > amp? Does this make sense to you? > > No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many > others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they > produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and > others -- find pleasant). Am I right? > > Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity. Who said it was? He just said he preferred it that way 'cause to him (and not necessarily anybody else) it sounds better and more pleasing to his ear, not yours. To him "next to no distortion" doesn't necessarily add up to a pleasing sound. The whole matter of music enjoyment is entirely subjective. Personally, I have little objection to ss amps, never have, particulalry when run in class A mode. There again, that's just my preference based on what I have heard over the years. Shaun From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 29 17:29:50 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:29:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43638AFB.9090506@rcn.com> References: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D0206D971@ued8.UE.com> <43638AFB.9090506@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4363956E.3050001@yahoo.ca> Ron a écrit : > Dundis, Andy wrote: > >> nak'rs, >> digital vs analog... an age-old debate that keeps cropping up... i'm >> sure i dont understand all the technical reasons for this re-occurring >> topic, but i've enjoyed the 'psycho' discussions... when CD music first >> hit the scene, i could hear that something was missing from the music... >> continuity, & while digitally recorded music has come a long way with >> improved production, 16 to 20 to 24 bit remastering & the like, it's >> still ones & zeros vs continuous sound stream... > > Just an engineering comment: the ones and zeros are > what's happening inside the equipment. At the output > you get the exact same continuous sound stream that > went in. Period. Well, there's the sampling rate, so when you look at the sound stream it looks like a stairway instead of a wave. > >> not too far from what >> happens with a digital photo... the closer you look at it, the more >> pixelated it becomes... some visual information is missing. > > > Depends on technical factors. Mainly, pixel density > and number of bits/pixel. What you say is true only > for low quality pictures. Are you aware that most > pictures you are seeing nowadays (some whole movies, > too) are digitally mastered? Yet, they are not > pixlated at all. A 2048x1536(My cheap digital camera) picture is not bad at all on a full letter page. Even a 34" diagonal 3:4 poster would look good at this resolution. If you make it bigger, it will look bad tho. > > -- Ron > > > >> my2cents, >> andy >> >> >> >> Come see Utility Engineering at POWER-GEN International December 6-8, >> 2005 at Sands Expo in Las Vegas, NV - Booth 4600. >> To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an e-mail to >> power-gen at ue-corp.com Include "Power-Gen Tickets" in the subject. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 29 17:31:52 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:31:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4363777D.9040204@rcn.com> Message-ID: I've been follow along with this really interesting discussion, good points on both sides of the discussion. If I understand what's been said, they like the analog gear because they like it, period. It's that science vrs. belief quandary again and there is really no way to argue fact against belief. Neither is right or wrong, you just can't compare objective measurements to subjective reactions. Another words, they believe, and HEAR, something about the digital reproduction that causes some sort of distortion that doesn't show up in typical measurements, and what ever this "distortion" is, that they continually describe as being "grainy," "harsh," "edgy," "exaggerated transients," "not liquid," "cold," etc. These descriptions are not measurable, they are subjective impressions, or there is no way to measure them yet, and what ever is causing this, even if you can't measure it, they are quite happy with their preference. There may be obvious hiss, hum, ticks, pops, etc., which are very real, objectively heard distortions, but they can shut these out of their experience when listening. And it's true, the brain can shut out the ugly things and see the beauty, you should see a dog I used to own years ago. :~) I also think there are a host of subjective feelings that enter the equation and can influence judgment, and they certainly can't be discounted or judged as invalid. First of all, maybe a general resistance towards the cold, rapidly accelerating, confusing technical world, with its cheap, throw away, unrepeatable products. Preference for the beauty of things being lost in time, finely hand made, beautiful mechanisms... like the incredible tone arms of the 80's with their intricate jewel mechanics, antiskating clock works, beautiful silver, copper, fine wood... the glow of glass tubes, the flicker of the cathodes burning and dancing to the music.. the warmth, the WARMTH. The feel of a weighted, flywheel tuning knob, the rituals of cleaning a vinyl disk in a large slip case with a fine piece of graphic art on its cover, large enough to frame and hang on the wall... something you can wrap your hands around. I know, I'm getting mushy here, but it's true. The only valid test that I can see, would be a blind test of real music alternating against analog reproduced equipment and digital path equipment, to see which sounds most like the real instruments, but you still have the final, analog out put, the speakers, to color the test, so you would have to start with the best speakers available, then do your tests on an audience of open minded listeners, of young and older ears, varying their seating positions several times for different acoustic positions, etc. I posted a link on the Advent 201 with the really interesting, similar description of what I am suggesting, of Tasso's Opus One audiophile store back in the 70's, where he would introduce blind comparisons of equipment, but no one here commented on it, for some reason. Oh well.... Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Doug says: > > > > "The aspect to bear in mind is that the brain is constantly filtering the > signals from all our senses, we literaly do hear what we want to hear most > of the time." > > Ken says: > > This is a very important and the reason I think some of us are plenty > happy with a cheap cd player and a boom box for a stereo. Personally, I > find it rather easy to filter out the noise and distortion from analog > and tubes. Maybe it is because I grew up with analog and tubes. I have > no trouble filtering out tape hiss, a few tics etc. This distortion to > me seems to be outside of the sound stage of the music. I tune it out > and the music just flows to my brain. I am bothered by pitch > instability. I prefer good analog. Digital on the other hand seems to > put its distortion right on top of the notes, right on top of the music. > I find it very difficult and ultimately fatiguing to filter out the > edginess, exaggerated transients, grain etc. The music does not just > flow like liquid. But put on an old reel to reel and the music just > pours as if it is liquid and I can relax and enjoy it for hours. I don't > know why I get bored with solid state amps. I have no trouble with my > Nak being so! > lid state, or my Mackie board,etc. I just don't much care for solid > state power amps. > Anyway, I wish I could accept the distortion I hear with cd's and solid > state amps. They are certainly much easier to deal with on a day to day > basis. A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS amp? Does this make sense to you? No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and others -- find pleasant). Am I right? Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sat Oct 29 18:48:10 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:48:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43638AFB.9090506@rcn.com> Message-ID: That's true, about the digital pix, it depends on the resolution choosen for the photo being reproduced. On screen it is only necessary to create photos with a resolution of 96dpi for final screen presentation, web use, etc, because this is the resolution of a windows monitor. Anything larger then that is just wasted file size. It's actually a bit more complicated then that, but what you are doing is resizing the image for a screen pixel size (400x200, etc.) that is going to not only determine the size it is displayed on screen, but also determine the file size after any compression like JPG. It's totally different for printing, one usually chooses a resolution of about 300dpi, this will give excellent inkjet color prints up to full letter page size, 8"x10" or even up to tabloid 11" x 17" for color drawings, etc. A typical color 5" x 7" photo printed on Kodak paper, is only sharp to an equivalent digital level of about 200-250dpi, so scanning a color photo at anything higher then 300dpi is again, a waste of file size. Generally, when a digital color photo from a camera is used, you have to think about what your final destination is. I archive any photos I plan to keep at the full 5MP 2288x1712 resolution of my camera, then edit photos around 300dpi if the destination is screen, then convert to desired screen size to keep the file size as small as possible for web use. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] psychoacoustics Dundis, Andy wrote: > nak'rs, > digital vs analog... an age-old debate that keeps cropping up... i'm > sure i dont understand all the technical reasons for this re-occurring > topic, but i've enjoyed the 'psycho' discussions... when CD music first > hit the scene, i could hear that something was missing from the music... > continuity, & while digitally recorded music has come a long way with > improved production, 16 to 20 to 24 bit remastering & the like, it's > still ones & zeros vs continuous sound stream... Just an engineering comment: the ones and zeros are what's happening inside the equipment. At the output you get the exact same continuous sound stream that went in. Period. > not too far from what > happens with a digital photo... the closer you look at it, the more > pixelated it becomes... some visual information is missing. Depends on technical factors. Mainly, pixel density and number of bits/pixel. What you say is true only for low quality pictures. Are you aware that most pictures you are seeing nowadays (some whole movies, too) are digitally mastered? Yet, they are not pixlated at all. -- Ron > my2cents, > andy > > > > Come see Utility Engineering at POWER-GEN International December 6-8, 2005 at Sands Expo in Las Vegas, NV - Booth 4600. > To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an e-mail to power-gen at ue-corp.com Include "Power-Gen Tickets" in the subject. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just sent my quarterly contribution, and urge all of those who are participants in this forum and are financially able, to do the same. Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 29 19:58:44 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:58:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] psychoacoustics In-Reply-To: <43638AFB.9090506@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003b01c5dcb2$676b45a0$819a87d9@oemcomputer> Adding to Ron's comment below, I understand that most UK "live" FM recordings (done by the BBC) are also mastered digitally and transmitted to the broadcast studio in digital format, too. Very little, if any, is laid down onto analogue tape these days. Gra' Are you aware that most > pictures you are seeing nowadays (some whole movies, > too) are digitally mastered? Yet, they are not > pixlated at all. > > -- Ron > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Oct 29 22:51:49 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:51:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 vs ELAC CD-500 In-Reply-To: References: <200510290444.j9T4iOLQ018782@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4363E0E5.2090706@xs4all.nl> Hi Fred, Well I can only add to this by saying I just received a ELAC CD-500 deck, one of the Nakamichi OEM products! It looks not like a 250 but inside it does! Maybe it is more like a 350 since it can record as well, it's just a sweet deck and gives me the same exitement as most of the early Naks! Here are it's main features: front: -dolby (also an indicator light) -limiter -microphone input (DIN) -headphones (DIN) -record level right/left -headphone volume -tape counter -normal/CrO2 tape indicator light (auto sensing it seems) back: -input/output (DIN) -line/radio switch (??) -tiny hole, i suppose for tape speed adjustment like 350 It only seems to be cannibalized (or 'serviced') for it's play/record head, some 'technician' has attempted to insert a head that doesn't fit and is now also not really connected to the frame... The mechanism looks identical of that of the 600 and 500 I own. BTW, while browsing through the 250 service manual I see in the parts list as well in some pictures a Record/Playback head and also an Erase head listed! Is the erase head really in this deck or did they just partly copy the 350 service manual and forgot to change some parts? Wouter Fred Lifton wrote: > Thanks Kelvin, but I am actually referring to a "Nakamichi 250", a > playback-only, top-loading portable that was made ca. 1973 and was > available in a 12v version. It's probably twice the size and weight as > the modern TD-250! > > It's pretty beat. I hope I can make it work. I'm thinking it's like a > 550 in a can. > > cheers, > Fred > On Oct 28, 2005, at 9:44 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 29 23:30:40 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:30:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4363EA00.1050407@yahoo.ca> The best speakers? Headphones. Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >I've been follow along with this really interesting discussion, good points >on both sides of the discussion. If I understand what's been said, they like >the analog gear because they like it, period. It's that science vrs. belief >quandary again and there is really no way to argue fact against belief. >Neither is right or wrong, you just can't compare objective measurements to >subjective reactions. > >Another words, they believe, and HEAR, something about the digital >reproduction that causes some sort of distortion that doesn't show up in >typical measurements, and what ever this "distortion" is, that they >continually describe as being "grainy," "harsh," "edgy," "exaggerated >transients," "not liquid," "cold," etc. These descriptions are not >measurable, they are subjective impressions, or there is no way to measure >them yet, and what ever is causing this, even if you can't measure it, they >are quite happy with their preference. There may be obvious hiss, hum, >ticks, pops, etc., which are very real, objectively heard distortions, but >they can shut these out of their experience when listening. And it's true, >the brain can shut out the ugly things and see the beauty, you should see a >dog I used to own years ago. :~) > >I also think there are a host of subjective feelings that enter the equation >and can influence judgment, and they certainly can't be discounted or judged >as invalid. First of all, maybe a general resistance towards the cold, >rapidly accelerating, confusing technical world, with its cheap, throw away, >unrepeatable products. Preference for the beauty of things being lost in >time, finely hand made, beautiful mechanisms... like the incredible tone >arms of the 80's with their intricate jewel mechanics, antiskating clock >works, beautiful silver, copper, fine wood... the glow of glass tubes, the >flicker of the cathodes burning and dancing to the music.. the warmth, the >WARMTH. The feel of a weighted, flywheel tuning knob, the rituals of >cleaning a vinyl disk in a large slip case with a fine piece of graphic art >on its cover, large enough to frame and hang on the wall... something you >can wrap your hands around. I know, I'm getting mushy here, but it's true. > >The only valid test that I can see, would be a blind test of real music >alternating against analog reproduced equipment and digital path equipment, >to see which sounds most like the real instruments, but you still have the >final, analog out put, the speakers, to color the test, so you would have to >start with the best speakers available, then do your tests on an audience of >open minded listeners, of young and older ears, varying their seating >positions several times for different acoustic positions, etc. I posted a >link on the Advent 201 with the really interesting, similar description of >what I am suggesting, of Tasso's Opus One audiophile store back in the 70's, >where he would introduce blind comparisons of equipment, but no one here >commented on it, for some reason. Oh well.... > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:22 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > >Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > > >>Doug says: >> >> >> >>"The aspect to bear in mind is that the brain is constantly filtering the >>signals from all our senses, we literaly do hear what we want to hear most >>of the time." >> >>Ken says: >> >>This is a very important and the reason I think some of us are plenty >>happy with a cheap cd player and a boom box for a stereo. Personally, I >>find it rather easy to filter out the noise and distortion from analog >>and tubes. Maybe it is because I grew up with analog and tubes. I have >>no trouble filtering out tape hiss, a few tics etc. This distortion to >>me seems to be outside of the sound stage of the music. I tune it out >>and the music just flows to my brain. I am bothered by pitch >>instability. I prefer good analog. Digital on the other hand seems to >>put its distortion right on top of the notes, right on top of the music. >>I find it very difficult and ultimately fatiguing to filter out the >>edginess, exaggerated transients, grain etc. The music does not just >>flow like liquid. But put on an old reel to reel and the music just >>pours as if it is liquid and I can relax and enjoy it for hours. I don't >>know why I get bored with solid state amps. I have no trouble with my >>Nak being so! >>lid state, or my Mackie board,etc. I just don't much care for solid >>state power amps. >>Anyway, I wish I could accept the distortion I hear with cd's and solid >>state amps. They are certainly much easier to deal with on a day to day >>basis. >> >> > >A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, >noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the >distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter >it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS >amp? Does this make sense to you? > >No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many >others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they >produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and >others -- find pleasant). Am I right? > >Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity. > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 30 00:38:43 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:38:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox Message-ID: <4363F9F3.3040500@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: "A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS amp? Does this make sense to you? Ken says: Maybe we are not measuring the right things?? Ron says: "No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and others -- find pleasant). Am I right? Ken says: No, not in my case. I hear less distortion of the original instruments. Check the specs on the Classe CA 300 amps. They are killer specs. But they don't get the music back as close to live as my Cat JL-1 amps. There is a grainy and filtered sound to every solid state amp I have ever heard. That includes the Mark Levinson 33's and the Classe Omega's. I was not super impressed with the Nelson Pass single ended amp either. All excellent amps capable of making excellent music. But the best tube amps sound more like the real thing to me. Ron says: "Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity." Ken says: It is way more high fidelity than I think you realize. Remember I play in a band. I listen to the live acoustic and electric instruments weekly. I play drums daily. The analog and tube gear I own sounds more like live instruments than any solid state and digital systems I have heard or have put together. The recordings of my drums played back on my tube system sound so real it is simply amazing. The speed of the attack, the bass slam of my kick drum, the shimmer of the cymbals, etc.. It is better than I have ever heard a solid state amp and a cd player sound. It is high fidelity. Enjoy your system. Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree. I once said everything you have been saying. Enjoy the music. From rob at rhoag.com Sun Oct 30 00:39:37 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:39:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4363EA00.1050407@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Well, ya, but not if you're doing a live vrs recorded test I'm talking about... you want the same room acoustics. I think if you were wearing headphones for listening to the live and the recorded parts, it wouldn't seem live, would it? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:31 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox The best speakers? Headphones. Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : >I've been follow along with this really interesting discussion, good points >on both sides of the discussion. If I understand what's been said, they like >the analog gear because they like it, period. It's that science vrs. belief >quandary again and there is really no way to argue fact against belief. >Neither is right or wrong, you just can't compare objective measurements to >subjective reactions. > >Another words, they believe, and HEAR, something about the digital >reproduction that causes some sort of distortion that doesn't show up in >typical measurements, and what ever this "distortion" is, that they >continually describe as being "grainy," "harsh," "edgy," "exaggerated >transients," "not liquid," "cold," etc. These descriptions are not >measurable, they are subjective impressions, or there is no way to measure >them yet, and what ever is causing this, even if you can't measure it, they >are quite happy with their preference. There may be obvious hiss, hum, >ticks, pops, etc., which are very real, objectively heard distortions, but >they can shut these out of their experience when listening. And it's true, >the brain can shut out the ugly things and see the beauty, you should see a >dog I used to own years ago. :~) > >I also think there are a host of subjective feelings that enter the equation >and can influence judgment, and they certainly can't be discounted or judged >as invalid. First of all, maybe a general resistance towards the cold, >rapidly accelerating, confusing technical world, with its cheap, throw away, >unrepeatable products. Preference for the beauty of things being lost in >time, finely hand made, beautiful mechanisms... like the incredible tone >arms of the 80's with their intricate jewel mechanics, antiskating clock >works, beautiful silver, copper, fine wood... the glow of glass tubes, the >flicker of the cathodes burning and dancing to the music.. the warmth, the >WARMTH. The feel of a weighted, flywheel tuning knob, the rituals of >cleaning a vinyl disk in a large slip case with a fine piece of graphic art >on its cover, large enough to frame and hang on the wall... something you >can wrap your hands around. I know, I'm getting mushy here, but it's true. > >The only valid test that I can see, would be a blind test of real music >alternating against analog reproduced equipment and digital path equipment, >to see which sounds most like the real instruments, but you still have the >final, analog out put, the speakers, to color the test, so you would have to >start with the best speakers available, then do your tests on an audience of >open minded listeners, of young and older ears, varying their seating >positions several times for different acoustic positions, etc. I posted a >link on the Advent 201 with the really interesting, similar description of >what I am suggesting, of Tasso's Opus One audiophile store back in the 70's, >where he would introduce blind comparisons of equipment, but no one here >commented on it, for some reason. Oh well.... > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:22 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > >Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > > >>Doug says: >> >> >> >>"The aspect to bear in mind is that the brain is constantly filtering the >>signals from all our senses, we literaly do hear what we want to hear most >>of the time." >> >>Ken says: >> >>This is a very important and the reason I think some of us are plenty >>happy with a cheap cd player and a boom box for a stereo. Personally, I >>find it rather easy to filter out the noise and distortion from analog >>and tubes. Maybe it is because I grew up with analog and tubes. I have >>no trouble filtering out tape hiss, a few tics etc. This distortion to >>me seems to be outside of the sound stage of the music. I tune it out >>and the music just flows to my brain. I am bothered by pitch >>instability. I prefer good analog. Digital on the other hand seems to >>put its distortion right on top of the notes, right on top of the music. >>I find it very difficult and ultimately fatiguing to filter out the >>edginess, exaggerated transients, grain etc. The music does not just >>flow like liquid. But put on an old reel to reel and the music just >>pours as if it is liquid and I can relax and enjoy it for hours. I don't >>know why I get bored with solid state amps. I have no trouble with my >>Nak being so! >>lid state, or my Mackie board,etc. I just don't much care for solid >>state power amps. >>Anyway, I wish I could accept the distortion I hear with cd's and solid >>state amps. They are certainly much easier to deal with on a day to day >>basis. >> >> > >A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, >noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the >distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter >it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS >amp? Does this make sense to you? > >No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many >others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they >produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and >others -- find pleasant). Am I right? > >Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity. > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From portnatal at ameritech.net Sun Oct 30 00:44:25 2005 From: portnatal at ameritech.net (Howard Barker) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:44:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <200510292044.j9TKiM0w020949@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <200510292244.j9TMiP8J021254@zxe.naks.com> Kermit. I am in awe of your skill and knowledge in all things Nak, and your willingness to help so many people, me included when I got my first Nak (a 550!). It is us who are indeed blessed by your presence on this newsgroup. Thanks again, Howie. Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Well Kermit, > > Thanks for that illuminating and very useful info. It seems that my efforts > should be directed at getting a good working Nak 550 if church organ > concerts are going to be my want. I am fortunate here, in that we have > reputedly the largest parish church in England, Christchurch Priory, (larger > than some cathedrals) and an excellent newly built dual console pipe organ. > The church is over 900 years old and the organ 900 days! There are many > musical concerts there, including organ recitals by resident and visiting > organists, some of which I would very much like to try to record. Oh man am I jealous! I'd love to be there recording your lovely organ! You are truly blessed. A Nakamichi 550 will be up to the job, but you'll have to practice a bit to find the "sweet spot" for the levels -- you're pushing the limits of the deck with this application. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 30 03:43:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk - 550 In-Reply-To: <4362B0CB.3090406@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051030024304.96081.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Shaun, Why don't you send a copy to Nakathon IIIb. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Shaun, > > Shaun Montgomery wrote: > > Well Kermit, > > > > Thanks for that illuminating and very useful > info. It seems that my > efforts > > should be directed at getting a good working Nak > 550 if church organ > > concerts are going to be my want. I am fortunate > here, in that we have > > reputedly the largest parish church in England, > Christchurch Priory, > (larger > > than some cathedrals) and an excellent newly > built dual console pipe > organ. > > The church is over 900 years old and the organ > 900 days! There are many > > musical concerts there, including organ recitals > by resident and visiting > > organists, some of which I would very much like > to try to record. > > Oh man am I jealous! I'd love to be there recording > your lovely organ! > You are truly blessed. A Nakamichi 550 will be up to > the job, but you'll > have to practice a bit to find the "sweet spot" for > the levels -- you're > pushing the limits of the deck with this > application. > > Mic choices are a hard call, because of the exptreme > SPLS and the ned > for the subtlest of clarity. The cheapies just don't > sound good even > though the specs claim adequate SPL handling > capability. > > Keep in mind many of the best pipe organ recordings > used custom-made > mics, like the Studer-modified Schoeps, the John > Eider-modified Altec > M20 or M30; and the Stephen Paul-modified Neumann > M50 -- all are > excellent choices by the way. > > For some mics that are not as lofty in price, or as > rare, off the top of > my heads, these are some that I'd consider myself > (and have used, so I > know the sound well): > > AKG D200E, D202E or D224E (two-way dynamics) One of > my favorites. > DPA 4003, 4003, 4006TL, 4011 or 4012. (pricey > condensors) One of my > favorites. > Beyerdynamic M201-TG (DYNAMIC) or MCE-530 > (condensor; barely up to the job) > Earthworks TC30 (omni condensor) > Josephson Series 4, Series 6 and Series 7 > (condensor) One of my favorites. > Milab VM44 (condensor) > Peluso CEMC6 (condensor) One of my favorites. > Shure SM80 (omni condensor), SM81 (cardioid > condensor), KMS141 > (condensor) or KMS109 (condensor). > Schoeps CMC and Colette Series (pricey condensors) > T.H.E. KA mic body/preamp with KR series capsules > Oktava MK-012 condensor (The Sound Room version -- > NOT the guitar World > version). > > Note that I've found the only dynamics that are up > to the job are the > AKG D200E, D202E or D224E (two-way dynamics) and, as > a distant second, > the Beyerdynamic M201-TG (or the older M201 and > M200, also sold as the > Revox M3500). > > You will need an outboard phantom power supply with > the condensor mics. > > Hope this helps! > > let me know how the project goes. > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 30 14:43:00 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:43:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4363F9F3.3040500@sbcglobal.net> References: <4363F9F3.3040500@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4364CDE4.40008@rcn.com> Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says: > > "A good SS power amp will have next to no distortion, > noise, hum and other problems. Yet you prefer the > distortion from a Tube amp because you can 'filter > it out', but object to the non distortion of a SS > amp? Does this make sense to you? > > Ken says: > > Maybe we are not measuring the right things?? > > Ron says: > > "No offense, but see if you agree: you -- and many > others -- prefer tube amps exactly *because* they > produce distortion (but of the kind you -- and > others -- find pleasant). Am I right? > > Ken says: > > No, not in my case. I hear less distortion of the original instruments. > Check the specs on the Classe CA 300 amps. They are killer specs. But > they don't get the music back as close to live as my Cat JL-1 amps. > There is a grainy and filtered sound to every solid state amp I have > ever heard. That includes the Mark Levinson 33's and the Classe Omega's. > I was not super impressed with the Nelson Pass single ended amp either. > All excellent amps capable of making excellent music. But the best tube > amps sound more like the real thing to me. > > Ron says: > > > "Nothing wrong with that, it's just not high fidelity." > > > > > Ken says: > > It is way more high fidelity than I think you realize. Remember I play > in a band. I listen to the live acoustic and electric instruments > weekly. I play drums daily. The analog and tube gear I own sounds more > like live instruments than any solid state and digital systems I have > heard or have put together. The recordings of my drums played back on my > tube system sound so real it is simply amazing. The speed of the attack, > the bass slam of my kick drum, the shimmer of the cymbals, etc.. It is > better than I have ever heard a solid state amp and a cd player sound. > It is high fidelity. > Enjoy your system. Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree. I > once said everything you have been saying. > Enjoy the music. Ken, My own 'live vs. recorded' experience comes from a concert hall or opera seat (ideally, third row center). Subjectively, it's quite the opposite of yours, especially with regard to power amps. SS amps give me the same tonal texture I get in the theater seat (subjective terms like 'transparent', 'airy', 'analytical', 'revealing', 'open' come to mind). I do not hear the 'grainy', 'electronic', 'rough' sound you are talking about. My current SS amps consist of 5 channels of Aragon 8008 amps (two channels in the 8008ST and three in the 8008X3). I chose them specifically because I felt they were suited to two channel listening (subtle details come thorough) as well as home theater (punch and power -- 1500 actual watts available to drive the 5 speakers). I listen to CDs, LPs, audio cassettes, video cassettes, laser discs and DVDs. Can't say I hear huge differences between formats, but I do hear huge differences between different recordings, even of the same format. Some LPs sound great, some suck, big time. Some audio cassettes are bad, some are awesome, etc... The same can be said for other formats as well. On the average, I'd say that CDs sound better than LPs (I still have many more LPs than CDs) and my best CD is probably sonically better than my best LP. All the above suggests that my subjective response to reproduced sound is 180 degrees opposed to yours. Not only are we looking for different properties of our respective music systems, we also hear them differently. I, therefore, quite agree with you: "Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree." Have a nice weekend, -- Ron From tarapat1 at wp.pl Sun Oct 30 15:50:36 2005 From: tarapat1 at wp.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?wojciech_samo=B3yk?=) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:50:36 +0100 Subject: Odp: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 Message-ID: <4364ddbc2df87@wp.pl> I have one RC-200 in wery good condition, with origional box and i can sell it. Best regards Wojciech Poland (Europe) Dnia 28-10-2005 o godz. 17:45 dcuthill at precision-es.com napisał(a): > > Does anyone have or know where I can locate the wired remote for a > BX-300? > Or does anyone have any ideas on how to convert the wired functionality > to > wireless infra-red? > > David > > ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** > This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only > be > read by the person(s) to whom > it is addressed. 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Tylko w naszym serwisie: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naklubowo.wp.pl&sid=545 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 30 16:10:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:10:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4364CDE4.40008@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009001c5dd64$02b96620$819a87d9@oemcomputer> But Ron, your Aragon amps are not just average SS amps - they are major league!! I'd not expect to hear "grainy", "electronic" or "rough" from an Aragon. Relatively speaking, I'd expect to hear more of those qualities in, say, £300 worth of Technics or Rotel but not so in an equivalent priced Chinese EL84 amp, although the latter would probably have a different downside. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 30 October 2005 13:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > > > My own 'live vs. recorded' experience comes from a > concert hall or opera seat (ideally, third row > center). Subjectively, it's quite the opposite of > yours, especially with regard to power amps. SS > amps give me the same tonal texture I get in the > theater seat (subjective terms like 'transparent', > 'airy', 'analytical', 'revealing', 'open' come to > mind). I do not hear the 'grainy', 'electronic', > 'rough' sound you are talking about. > > My current SS amps consist of 5 channels of Aragon > 8008 amps (two channels in the 8008ST and three > in the 8008X3). I chose them specifically because I > felt they were suited to two channel listening (subtle > details come thorough) as well as home theater (punch > and power -- 1500 actual watts available to drive the > 5 speakers). > > I listen to CDs, LPs, audio cassettes, video > cassettes, laser discs and DVDs. Can't say I hear > huge differences between formats, but I do hear > huge differences between different recordings, even > of the same format. Some LPs sound great, some suck, > big time. Some audio cassettes are bad, some are > awesome, etc... The same can be said for other > formats as well. On the average, I'd say that CDs > sound better than LPs (I still have many more LPs > than CDs) and my best CD is probably sonically > better than my best LP. > > All the above suggests that my subjective response > to reproduced sound is 180 degrees opposed to yours. > Not only are we looking for different properties of > our respective music systems, we also hear them > differently. I, therefore, quite agree with you: > "Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree." > > Have a nice weekend, > > -- Ron > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 30 20:38:06 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:38:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <009001c5dd64$02b96620$819a87d9@oemcomputer> References: <009001c5dd64$02b96620$819a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4365211E.6030103@rcn.com> Graham, The Aragons cost, new, roughly $800 per channel. This was 'list price', they could be had for, say, 10-20% less. I am not aware of *any* tube amp with even close to the power output that costs less than 3 times as much. A Velleman 90WPC kit (you have to *build* the darn thing) is $750 per channel and its puny output transformers do not bode well for either low frequency extension or low distortion. When comparing prices, we should really compare what it costs to build an amp, rather than what it costs to buy it off the shelf. (Higher end audio products tend to be 'strategic priced'...) Based on that, it is far more expensive to build a tube amp vs. the SS counterpart. The output transformer alone is a major cost component that the SS amp doesn't need. So are things like filament powering, the larger power transformer, the heavier chassis required to hold all that weight together, the higher voltage capacitor (more of which are required), the tubes themselves, etc., etc.. Don't know about Chinese tube amps but, to level the field, I'd compare their cost to Chinese SS amps, not main stream brand name Japanese products. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > But Ron, your Aragon amps are not just average SS amps - they are major > league!! I'd not expect to hear "grainy", "electronic" or "rough" from an > Aragon. Relatively speaking, I'd expect to hear more of those qualities in, > say, £300 worth of Technics or Rotel but not so in an equivalent priced > Chinese EL84 amp, although the latter would probably have a different > downside. > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Ron >>Sent: 30 October 2005 13:43 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox >> >> >> >>My own 'live vs. recorded' experience comes from a >>concert hall or opera seat (ideally, third row >>center). Subjectively, it's quite the opposite of >>yours, especially with regard to power amps. SS >>amps give me the same tonal texture I get in the >>theater seat (subjective terms like 'transparent', >>'airy', 'analytical', 'revealing', 'open' come to >>mind). I do not hear the 'grainy', 'electronic', >>'rough' sound you are talking about. >> >>My current SS amps consist of 5 channels of Aragon >>8008 amps (two channels in the 8008ST and three >>in the 8008X3). I chose them specifically because I >>felt they were suited to two channel listening (subtle >>details come thorough) as well as home theater (punch >>and power -- 1500 actual watts available to drive the >>5 speakers). >> >>I listen to CDs, LPs, audio cassettes, video >>cassettes, laser discs and DVDs. Can't say I hear >>huge differences between formats, but I do hear >>huge differences between different recordings, even >>of the same format. Some LPs sound great, some suck, >>big time. Some audio cassettes are bad, some are >>awesome, etc... The same can be said for other >>formats as well. On the average, I'd say that CDs >>sound better than LPs (I still have many more LPs >>than CDs) and my best CD is probably sonically >>better than my best LP. >> >>All the above suggests that my subjective response >>to reproduced sound is 180 degrees opposed to yours. >>Not only are we looking for different properties of >>our respective music systems, we also hear them >>differently. I, therefore, quite agree with you: >>"Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree." >> >>Have a nice weekend, >> >>-- Ron From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 30 22:03:48 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] the Paradox In-Reply-To: <4365211E.6030103@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009801c5dd95$6c6a5260$819a87d9@oemcomputer> Ron I've replied via Audiotalk Cheers! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 30 October 2005 19:38 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > > > > Graham, > > The Aragons cost, new, roughly $800 per channel. This > was 'list price', they could be had for, say, 10-20% > less. I am not aware of *any* tube amp with even close > to the power output that costs less than 3 times as > much. A Velleman 90WPC kit (you have to *build* the > darn thing) is $750 per channel and its puny output > transformers do not bode well for either low frequency > extension or low distortion. > > When comparing prices, we should really compare what it > costs to build an amp, rather than what it costs to buy > it off the shelf. (Higher end audio products tend to be > 'strategic priced'...) > > Based on that, it is far more expensive to build a tube > amp vs. the SS counterpart. The output transformer alone > is a major cost component that the SS amp doesn't need. > So are things like filament powering, the larger power > transformer, the heavier chassis required to hold all > that weight together, the higher voltage capacitor (more > of which are required), the tubes themselves, etc., etc.. > > Don't know about Chinese tube amps but, to level the > field, I'd compare their cost to Chinese SS amps, not > main stream brand name Japanese products. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Nelson wrote: > > But Ron, your Aragon amps are not just average SS amps - they are major > > league!! I'd not expect to hear "grainy", "electronic" or > "rough" from an > > Aragon. Relatively speaking, I'd expect to hear more of those > qualities in, > > say, £300 worth of Technics or Rotel but not so in an equivalent priced > > Chinese EL84 amp, although the latter would probably have a different > > downside. > > > > Gra' > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>Behalf Of Ron > >>Sent: 30 October 2005 13:43 > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox > >> > >> > >> > >>My own 'live vs. recorded' experience comes from a > >>concert hall or opera seat (ideally, third row > >>center). Subjectively, it's quite the opposite of > >>yours, especially with regard to power amps. SS > >>amps give me the same tonal texture I get in the > >>theater seat (subjective terms like 'transparent', > >>'airy', 'analytical', 'revealing', 'open' come to > >>mind). I do not hear the 'grainy', 'electronic', > >>'rough' sound you are talking about. > >> > >>My current SS amps consist of 5 channels of Aragon > >>8008 amps (two channels in the 8008ST and three > >>in the 8008X3). I chose them specifically because I > >>felt they were suited to two channel listening (subtle > >>details come thorough) as well as home theater (punch > >>and power -- 1500 actual watts available to drive the > >>5 speakers). > >> > >>I listen to CDs, LPs, audio cassettes, video > >>cassettes, laser discs and DVDs. Can't say I hear > >>huge differences between formats, but I do hear > >>huge differences between different recordings, even > >>of the same format. Some LPs sound great, some suck, > >>big time. Some audio cassettes are bad, some are > >>awesome, etc... The same can be said for other > >>formats as well. On the average, I'd say that CDs > >>sound better than LPs (I still have many more LPs > >>than CDs) and my best CD is probably sonically > >>better than my best LP. > >> > >>All the above suggests that my subjective response > >>to reproduced sound is 180 degrees opposed to yours. > >>Not only are we looking for different properties of > >>our respective music systems, we also hear them > >>differently. I, therefore, quite agree with you: > >>"Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree." > >> > >>Have a nice weekend, > >> > >>-- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thole at wxs.nl Sun Oct 30 20:16:55 2005 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:16:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 In-Reply-To: <4364ddbc2df87@wp.pl> Message-ID: Ha, I would also like to have one for my ZX7, if you guy's don't do business, give me a call, +31624603209 Regards Pieter -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens wojciech samołyk Verzonden: zondag 30 oktober 2005 15:51 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Odp: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 I have one RC-200 in wery good condition, with origional box and i can sell it. Best regards Wojciech Poland (Europe) Dnia 28-10-2005 o godz. 17:45 dcuthill at precision-es.com napisał(a): > > Does anyone have or know where I can locate the wired remote for a > BX-300? > Or does anyone have any ideas on how to convert the wired functionality > to > wireless infra-red? > > David > > ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** > This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only > be > read by the person(s) to whom > it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, > please > notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. > ***************************************** > ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** > This communication (and any attachment) is confidential. It should only > be > read by the person(s) to whom > it is addressed. If you have received this communication in error, > please > notify the sender by reply and delete this communication. > ***************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ---------------------------------------------------- Najlepsze pomysły na imprezy halloweenowe. Tylko w naszym serwisie: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naklubowo.wp.pl&sid=545 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ifrozeup at earthlink.net Sun Oct 30 22:09:01 2005 From: ifrozeup at earthlink.net (tona ciofalo) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <009801c5dd95$6c6a5260$819a87d9@oemcomputer> References: <009801c5dd95$6c6a5260$819a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E@earthlink.net> Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! Thanks Tona On Oct 30, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Tanya Nelson wrote: > Ron > > I've replied via Audiotalk > > Cheers! > > Gra' > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: 30 October 2005 19:38 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox >> >> >> >> Graham, >> >> The Aragons cost, new, roughly $800 per channel. This >> was 'list price', they could be had for, say, 10-20% >> less. I am not aware of *any* tube amp with even close >> to the power output that costs less than 3 times as >> much. A Velleman 90WPC kit (you have to *build* the >> darn thing) is $750 per channel and its puny output >> transformers do not bode well for either low frequency >> extension or low distortion. >> >> When comparing prices, we should really compare what it >> costs to build an amp, rather than what it costs to buy >> it off the shelf. (Higher end audio products tend to be >> 'strategic priced'...) >> >> Based on that, it is far more expensive to build a tube >> amp vs. the SS counterpart. The output transformer alone >> is a major cost component that the SS amp doesn't need. >> So are things like filament powering, the larger power >> transformer, the heavier chassis required to hold all >> that weight together, the higher voltage capacitor (more >> of which are required), the tubes themselves, etc., etc.. >> >> Don't know about Chinese tube amps but, to level the >> field, I'd compare their cost to Chinese SS amps, not >> main stream brand name Japanese products. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nelson wrote: >> >>> But Ron, your Aragon amps are not just average SS amps - they are >>> major >>> league!! I'd not expect to hear "grainy", "electronic" or >>> >> "rough" from an >> >>> Aragon. Relatively speaking, I'd expect to hear more of those >>> >> qualities in, >> >>> say, £300 worth of Technics or Rotel but not so in an equivalent >>> priced >>> Chinese EL84 amp, although the latter would probably have a >>> different >>> downside. >>> >>> Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Ron >>>> Sent: 30 October 2005 13:43 >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Paradox >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My own 'live vs. recorded' experience comes from a >>>> concert hall or opera seat (ideally, third row >>>> center). Subjectively, it's quite the opposite of >>>> yours, especially with regard to power amps. SS >>>> amps give me the same tonal texture I get in the >>>> theater seat (subjective terms like 'transparent', >>>> 'airy', 'analytical', 'revealing', 'open' come to >>>> mind). I do not hear the 'grainy', 'electronic', >>>> 'rough' sound you are talking about. >>>> >>>> My current SS amps consist of 5 channels of Aragon >>>> 8008 amps (two channels in the 8008ST and three >>>> in the 8008X3). I chose them specifically because I >>>> felt they were suited to two channel listening (subtle >>>> details come thorough) as well as home theater (punch >>>> and power -- 1500 actual watts available to drive the >>>> 5 speakers). >>>> >>>> I listen to CDs, LPs, audio cassettes, video >>>> cassettes, laser discs and DVDs. Can't say I hear >>>> huge differences between formats, but I do hear >>>> huge differences between different recordings, even >>>> of the same format. Some LPs sound great, some suck, >>>> big time. Some audio cassettes are bad, some are >>>> awesome, etc... The same can be said for other >>>> formats as well. On the average, I'd say that CDs >>>> sound better than LPs (I still have many more LPs >>>> than CDs) and my best CD is probably sonically >>>> better than my best LP. >>>> >>>> All the above suggests that my subjective response >>>> to reproduced sound is 180 degrees opposed to yours. >>>> Not only are we looking for different properties of >>>> our respective music systems, we also hear them >>>> differently. I, therefore, quite agree with you: >>>> "Nice chatting with you, but we will never agree." >>>> >>>> Have a nice weekend, >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From ktl at bornet.net Sun Oct 30 22:43:08 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:43:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tona ciofalo > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:09 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 > > > Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? > pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple > buttons > that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get > the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! > Thanks > Tona Don't know wheher it help, but you'll find the 600 servicemanual on my site. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From our.family.mail at comcast.net Sun Oct 30 22:57:42 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (John and Leyla) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:57:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 Message-ID: <000001c5dd9c$fa92f9a0$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> Pieter, Could you recheck your number please. If it is in USA, it has too many digits, and if international, then not enough. You can contact me at havemailhere at comcast.net for the RM-200 remote. Regards. John From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Oct 30 23:07:37 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:37 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 References: Message-ID: <00d301c5dd9e$56e02ab0$3aa699de@tec> Hi tona ciofalo Go get the manual off Tomas's site which has my name on it!! You turn the little dials, but the only one you probably need to do is the output level one for balancing up the Dolby. You do that by recording the Dolby 400 HZ tone and then setting the playback levels to 0dB for each channel by one of the pairs (I do not have the machine in front of me so I cannot remember which one off hand). You probably need test equipment to get anything decent out of the others. Good luck. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tona ciofalo >> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:09 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >> >> >> Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >> pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple >> buttons >> that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >> the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >> Thanks >> Tona > > > Don't know wheher it help, but you'll find the 600 servicemanual on my > site. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Oct 30 23:21:36 2005 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (Eddy Pollet) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:21:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 85 In-Reply-To: <200510302118.j9ULHZPr019759@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Tona, Those "little nipple buttons" can be taken off to reveal a small screw inside, which you can then adjust with a small screwdriver to calibrate your deck for bias, level and IM suppress . Unfortunately, I don't have a computerised copy of the manual . Eddy on 30-10-2005 22:18, naktalk-request at naks.com at naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: tona ciofalo > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 > > Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? > pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons > that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get > the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! > Thanks > Tona From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 30 23:48:59 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:48:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote for BX-300 In-Reply-To: <000001c5dd9c$fa92f9a0$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> References: <000001c5dd9c$fa92f9a0$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> Message-ID: <43654DDB.9060502@yahoo.ca> Look in your phone book for Netherland Antoine Deschênes John and Leyla a écrit : >Pieter, > >Could you recheck your number please. If it is in USA, it has too many >digits, and if international, then not enough. You can contact me at >havemailhere at comcast.net for the RM-200 remote. Regards. John > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ktl at bornet.net Mon Oct 31 00:15:10 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:15:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 Message-ID: I'm thinking of bying one Receiver 3 for my daughter. Any comments on this one, because I don't know anything about NAK receivers. Culprits, pros and cons, and how much should I pay for it? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From michael_martorana at lineone.net Mon Oct 31 00:17:39 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:17:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 Message-ID: <432A947F000F6D73@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi Tona Sorry I don't have an owners manual but I too own a Nakamichi 600. The "little nipple buttons" as you call them on the Nak 600 are just dust caps which can be removed (they just pull off) to expose a screw which you can turn with a small screwdriver to adjust left and right level, bias and I.M. suppression. The I.M. suppression screws are the only ones which work during playback try switching it on and play with the screws to see what it does (seems to affect the treble output in mine) The Level and Bias are used when you make a recording. Because it is a 2 head machine, to calibrate the record and playback levels press the 400Hz button and record and few seconds of the tone. Note that the VU meters will register 0dB. Rewind and replay the tone you recorded, if the VU meters do not show 0dB adjust the left and right screws for Level and try again (if the VU meters show less than 0dB eg -5dB turn the screw to the right, if it is in the red eg +3dB turn the screws to the left). The Bias is used to adjust the treble output, if when you record music, it sound as if it has too much treble compared to the original turn the left and right Bias screws and try recording again until the recording sound the same as the original. Make sure that you only turn the screws corresponding to the type of tape you have used. EX for ferric tapes and SX for chrome tape. Note that the 600 was made before Metal tapes existed and as such you cannot use Metal tapes for recording. Hope this helps. Cheers Michael >Message: 8 >Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 >From: tona ciofalo >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons >that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >Thanks >Tona ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Oct 31 00:45:41 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:45:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E@earthlink.net> References: <009801c5dd95$6c6a5260$819a87d9@oemcomputer> <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43655B25.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tona, tona ciofalo wrote: > Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? > pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons > that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get the > operating instructions would be epicly amazing! The "little nipple buttons that don't push-in or out" aren't buttons -- they're covers for trimmer potentiometers (controls) that pre-set various adjustments on the deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Mon Oct 31 02:21:30 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:21:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <200510292251.j9TMpvFp021328@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510292251.j9TMpvFp021328@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0DBD61C0-705C-4AB1-B95B-02232886B97F@mac.com> Hi Wouter, You're right, there IS an erase head on my 250. It's not wired to anything, but it has a Nak logo and the designation "E-50". Why on earth would they bother to attach a non-functioning head? Very strange. BTW, I would love to get a copy of that 250 service manual. Is that possible? thanks, Fred On Oct 29, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > From: Wouter Heijke > Date: October 29, 2005 1:51:49 PM PDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 vs ELAC CD-500 > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hi Fred, > > Well I can only add to this by saying I just received a ELAC CD-500 > deck, one of the Nakamichi OEM products! > It looks not like a 250 but inside it does! > Maybe it is more like a 350 since it can record as well, it's just > a sweet deck and gives me the same exitement as most of the early > Naks! > Here are it's main features: > > front: > -dolby (also an indicator light) > -limiter > -microphone input (DIN) > -headphones (DIN) > -record level right/left > -headphone volume > -tape counter > -normal/CrO2 tape indicator light (auto sensing it seems) > > back: > -input/output (DIN) > -line/radio switch (??) > -tiny hole, i suppose for tape speed adjustment like 350 > > It only seems to be cannibalized (or 'serviced') for it's play/ > record head, some 'technician' has attempted to insert a head that > doesn't fit and is now also not really connected to the frame... > The mechanism looks identical of that of the 600 and 500 I own. > > BTW, while browsing through the 250 service manual I see in the > parts list as well in some pictures a Record/Playback head and also > an Erase head listed! Is the erase head really in this deck or did > they just partly copy the 350 service manual and forgot to change > some parts? > > Wouter > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ifrozeup at earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 09:21:48 2005 From: ifrozeup at earthlink.net (tona ciofalo) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:21:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <432A947F000F6D73@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <432A947F000F6D73@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1C8A07CA-BF1F-415E-ADC2-85E00E99EA1F@earthlink.net> Thanks a lot dudes, thanks for the service manual, thanks for the instructions, thanks for the craziest warm welcome ive ever gotten on a techy type forum. You guys are amazing. Thanks Michael for the info, it's exactly what I needed to hear, the 600 is truly is a really bitchin player, and very underrated I think.. anyway thanks for the insight on Metal tapes, I was this close to buying a garbage bag full of em the other day.. can I ask though what the MOST EPICLY ULTIMATE cassette is to use with the 600 though, in your opinion, for recording vinyl? Thanks sooooooo much everyone I really appreciate it tremendously. Tona On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:17 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: > Hi Tona > > Sorry I don't have an owners manual but I too own a Nakamichi 600. > > The "little nipple buttons" as you call them on the Nak 600 are > just dust > caps which can be removed (they just pull off) to expose a screw > which you > can turn with a small screwdriver to adjust left and right level, > bias and > I.M. suppression. The I.M. suppression screws are the only ones > which work > during playback try switching it on and play with the screws to see > what > it does (seems to affect the treble output in mine) > > The Level and Bias are used when you make a recording. > > Because it is a 2 head machine, to calibrate the record and > playback levels > press the 400Hz button and record and few seconds of the tone. > Note that > the VU meters will register 0dB. Rewind and replay the tone you > recorded, > if the VU meters do not show 0dB adjust the left and right screws > for Level > and try again (if the VU meters show less than 0dB eg -5dB turn the > screw > to the right, if it is in the red eg +3dB turn the screws to the > left). > > The Bias is used to adjust the treble output, if when you record > music, > it sound as if it has too much treble compared to the original turn > the left > and right Bias screws and try recording again until the recording > sound the > same as the original. > > Make sure that you only turn the screws corresponding to the type > of tape > you have used. EX for ferric tapes and SX for chrome tape. Note > that the > 600 was made before Metal tapes existed and as such you cannot use > Metal > tapes for recording. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers > > Michael > > >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 >> From: tona ciofalo >> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E at earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; >> format=flowed >> >> Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >> pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons >> that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >> the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >> Thanks >> Tona >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Oct 31 10:30:47 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:30:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <0DBD61C0-705C-4AB1-B95B-02232886B97F@mac.com> Message-ID: <20051031093047.93332.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Fred >From Memory (have two in the loft but they are buried, so can't confirm for sure)!! I think you will find the head has a tape guide, so therefore is there to aid tape travel. Remember the quality of most tape mecanishms at that time were very variable Not many if any Commercial tapes had mirror A/B cassette housings. And most people were using commercial pre records in this machine! Terry Fred Lifton wrote: Hi Wouter,You're right, there IS an erase head on my 250. It's not wired to anything, but it has a Nak logo and the designation "E-50". Why on earth would they bother to attach a non-functioning head? Very strange. BTW, I would love to get a copy of that 250 service manual. Is that possible? thanks, Fred On Oct 29, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Date: October 29, 2005 1:51:49 PM PDT To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 250 vs ELAC CD-500 Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hi Fred, Well I can only add to this by saying I just received a ELAC CD-500 deck, one of the Nakamichi OEM products! It looks not like a 250 but inside it does! Maybe it is more like a 350 since it can record as well, it's just a sweet deck and gives me the same exitement as most of the early Naks! Here are it's main features: front: -dolby (also an indicator light) -limiter -microphone input (DIN) -headphones (DIN) -record level right/left -headphone volume -tape counter -normal/CrO2 tape indicator light (auto sensing it seems) back: -input/output (DIN) -line/radio switch (??) -tiny hole, i suppose for tape speed adjustment like 350 It only seems to be cannibalized (or 'serviced') for it's play/record head, some 'technician' has attempted to insert a head that doesn't fit and is now also not really connected to the frame... The mechanism looks identical of that of the 600 and 500 I own. BTW, while browsing through the 250 service manual I see in the parts list as well in some pictures a Record/Playback head and also an Erase head listed! Is the erase head really in this deck or did they just partly copy the 350 service manual and forgot to change some parts? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 11:51:02 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:51:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 Message-ID: Hi Tona! The Nak 600 was optimized for TDK AD in ferric (AD) & SA in Chrome (SX). If you can obtain those today,...will record & sound best! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: tona ciofalo >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:21:48 -0800 > >Thanks a lot dudes, thanks for the service manual, thanks for the >instructions, thanks for the craziest warm welcome ive ever gotten on a >techy type forum. You guys are amazing. > >Thanks Michael for the info, it's exactly what I needed to hear, the 600 >is truly is a really bitchin player, and very underrated I think.. anyway >thanks for the insight on Metal tapes, I was this close to buying a >garbage bag full of em the other day.. can I ask though what the MOST >EPICLY ULTIMATE cassette is to use with the 600 though, in your opinion, >for recording vinyl? > >Thanks sooooooo much everyone I really appreciate it tremendously. > >Tona > > > > >On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:17 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: > >>Hi Tona >> >>Sorry I don't have an owners manual but I too own a Nakamichi 600. >> >>The "little nipple buttons" as you call them on the Nak 600 are just dust >>caps which can be removed (they just pull off) to expose a screw which >>you >>can turn with a small screwdriver to adjust left and right level, bias >>and >>I.M. suppression. The I.M. suppression screws are the only ones which >>work >>during playback try switching it on and play with the screws to see what >>it does (seems to affect the treble output in mine) >> >>The Level and Bias are used when you make a recording. >> >>Because it is a 2 head machine, to calibrate the record and playback >>levels >>press the 400Hz button and record and few seconds of the tone. Note that >>the VU meters will register 0dB. Rewind and replay the tone you >>recorded, >>if the VU meters do not show 0dB adjust the left and right screws for >>Level >>and try again (if the VU meters show less than 0dB eg -5dB turn the screw >>to the right, if it is in the red eg +3dB turn the screws to the left). >> >>The Bias is used to adjust the treble output, if when you record music, >>it sound as if it has too much treble compared to the original turn the >>left >>and right Bias screws and try recording again until the recording sound >>the >>same as the original. >> >>Make sure that you only turn the screws corresponding to the type of tape >>you have used. EX for ferric tapes and SX for chrome tape. Note that >>the >>600 was made before Metal tapes existed and as such you cannot use Metal >>tapes for recording. >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>Cheers >> >>Michael >> >> >>>Message: 8 >>>Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 >>>From: tona ciofalo >>>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E at earthlink.net> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>> >>>Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >>>pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons >>>that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >>>the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >>>Thanks >>>Tona >>> >> >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________ >> >>Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! >>http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From chasw at tampabay.rr.com Mon Oct 31 16:04:40 2005 From: chasw at tampabay.rr.com (Charles Wilson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:04:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, MR-1, bx-300 Message-ID: <001201c5de2c$6b39bb00$64c8a8c0@wilson1> I have Nakamichi Dragon, MR-1, and BX-300. The Dragon will fast forward/rewind but will not play a tape. The MR-1 will not fast forward/rewind and will play a tape for only a few seconds before it stops. The BX-300 does everything well but has a little mechanical noise. Any help will be appreciated. Charles From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Oct 31 20:16:34 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:16:34 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 References: Message-ID: <003c01c5de4f$9bc419f0$93a499de@tec> Hi again Tona I agree with Alex's assessment - both tapes types are optimal in the 600. Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 > Hi Tona! > > The Nak 600 was optimized for TDK AD in ferric (AD) & SA in Chrome (SX). > If you can obtain those today,...will record & sound best! > > Happy Listening! > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: tona ciofalo >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 >>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:21:48 -0800 >> >>Thanks a lot dudes, thanks for the service manual, thanks for the >>instructions, thanks for the craziest warm welcome ive ever gotten on a >>techy type forum. You guys are amazing. >> >>Thanks Michael for the info, it's exactly what I needed to hear, the 600 >>is truly is a really bitchin player, and very underrated I think.. anyway >>thanks for the insight on Metal tapes, I was this close to buying a >>garbage bag full of em the other day.. can I ask though what the MOST >>EPICLY ULTIMATE cassette is to use with the 600 though, in your opinion, >>for recording vinyl? >> >>Thanks sooooooo much everyone I really appreciate it tremendously. >> >>Tona >> >> >> >> >>On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:17 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: >> >>>Hi Tona >>> >>>Sorry I don't have an owners manual but I too own a Nakamichi 600. >>> >>>The "little nipple buttons" as you call them on the Nak 600 are just >>>dust >>>caps which can be removed (they just pull off) to expose a screw which >>>you >>>can turn with a small screwdriver to adjust left and right level, bias >>>and >>>I.M. suppression. The I.M. suppression screws are the only ones which >>>work >>>during playback try switching it on and play with the screws to see what >>>it does (seems to affect the treble output in mine) >>> >>>The Level and Bias are used when you make a recording. >>> >>>Because it is a 2 head machine, to calibrate the record and playback >>>levels >>>press the 400Hz button and record and few seconds of the tone. Note >>>that >>>the VU meters will register 0dB. Rewind and replay the tone you >>>recorded, >>>if the VU meters do not show 0dB adjust the left and right screws for >>>Level >>>and try again (if the VU meters show less than 0dB eg -5dB turn the >>>screw >>>to the right, if it is in the red eg +3dB turn the screws to the left). >>> >>>The Bias is used to adjust the treble output, if when you record music, >>>it sound as if it has too much treble compared to the original turn the >>>left >>>and right Bias screws and try recording again until the recording sound >>>the >>>same as the original. >>> >>>Make sure that you only turn the screws corresponding to the type of >>>tape >>>you have used. EX for ferric tapes and SX for chrome tape. Note that >>>the >>>600 was made before Metal tapes existed and as such you cannot use Metal >>>tapes for recording. >>> >>>Hope this helps. >>> >>>Cheers >>> >>>Michael >>> >>> >>>>Message: 8 >>>>Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 >>>>From: tona ciofalo >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E at earthlink.net> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>>> >>>>Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >>>>pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons >>>>that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >>>>the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >>>>Thanks >>>>Tona >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>___________________________________________________________ >>> >>>Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! >>>http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >>> >>> >>> >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-11.txt ************************************************************************ From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Nov 1 00:07:48 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:07:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, MR-1, bx-300 In-Reply-To: <001201c5de2c$6b39bb00$64c8a8c0@wilson1> References: <001201c5de2c$6b39bb00$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: <4366A3C4.5070303@yahoo.ca> Cam motor? Antoine Deschênes Charles Wilson a écrit : > I have Nakamichi Dragon, MR-1, and BX-300. > The Dragon will fast forward/rewind but will not play a tape. > The MR-1 will not fast forward/rewind and will play a tape for only a > few seconds before it stops. > The BX-300 does everything well but has a little mechanical noise. > Any help will be appreciated. > > Charles > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From pawel at bartuzi.org Tue Nov 1 00:57:21 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:57:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? In-Reply-To: <20051028114827.6A086671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051028114827.6A086671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4366AF61.8030701@bartuzi.org> shane crowe wrote: >I thought about transferring tapes with bad pressure pads into new shells, but I've read >that this may not be a good idea for azimuth reasons. Then again on cheaply (or home) produced >cassettes does any of this really matter? Are the differences even going to be audible? > >If anyone thinks that trying to maximise performance of such cheaply produced tapes is unlikely to >be fruitful, and that I should just stick with what I've got, please speak up! You'll be >saving me money ! But the pressure pads thing is definitely annoying me, because I know it's causing >audible problems... > > For pressure pad problem, any Nak with 3 heads should do well (read info on naks.com as to which model actually has the pressure pad lifter). If you can not rationalize buying a Dragon or CR-7 for the job then consider something cheaper like Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 - both have 3 heads, pressure pad lifters and - what is their best feature IMHO - azimuth control (manual). Even if all of your tapes were recorded with just one deck, having azimuth control is very handy still - the azimuth can change when tape path is not clean, for example, and operating the azimuth control you actually hear the difference! I don't know how many sources do your tapes come from but for my needs (I have a lot of tapes recorded on different decks) the Cassette Deck 1 is an ideal solution (until I buy Dragon or CR-7 of course ). -- Pawel From michael_martorana at lineone.net Tue Nov 1 01:35:47 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:35:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 tapes In-Reply-To: <200510311100.j9VB0dcS022937@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <433432D6000DD9D5@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi Tona glad to hear that the Nakamichi fraternity were able to help you! I've had lots of help from them as well. Yes the 600 is a really good machine, sound good and looks fabulous. Regarding tapes for the 600, Nakamichi's were originally set up for TDK tapes so these will work fine. However, since you can calibrate the Bias and Record/playback levels you can set it up to get the best out of most tapes. It is now getting difficult to find chrome tapes here in Britain (Metal tapes seem to be non existant, would love to be able to find some to use with my Nak BX300 and LX-3!!!). Personally I find Maxell XLII (can't find the XLIIS any more, that one was even better) to work great with the deck, they sound very good producing recordings which sound similar to the original. TDK SA work well too. I know that Kermit also uses the Nak 600 and I'm sure he can also advise you in this matter. Kind regards and welcome aboard! Michael >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:21:48 -0800 >From: tona ciofalo >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <1C8A07CA-BF1F-415E-ADC2-85E00E99EA1F at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >Thanks a lot dudes, thanks for the service manual, thanks for the >instructions, thanks for the craziest warm welcome ive ever gotten on >a techy type forum. You guys are amazing. > >Thanks Michael for the info, it's exactly what I needed to hear, the >600 is truly is a really bitchin player, and very underrated I >think.. anyway thanks for the insight on Metal tapes, I was this >close to buying a garbage bag full of em the other day.. can I ask >though what the MOST EPICLY ULTIMATE cassette is to use with the 600 >though, in your opinion, for recording vinyl? > >Thanks sooooooo much everyone I really appreciate it tremendously. > >Tona > > > > >On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:17 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: > >> Hi Tona >> >> Sorry I don't have an owners manual but I too own a Nakamichi 600. >> >> The "little nipple buttons" as you call them on the Nak 600 are >> just dust >> caps which can be removed (they just pull off) to expose a screw >> which you >> can turn with a small screwdriver to adjust left and right level, >> bias and >> I.M. suppression. The I.M. suppression screws are the only ones >> which work >> during playback try switching it on and play with the screws to see >> what >> it does (seems to affect the treble output in mine) >> >> The Level and Bias are used when you make a recording. >> >> Because it is a 2 head machine, to calibrate the record and >> playback levels >> press the 400Hz button and record and few seconds of the tone. >> Note that >> the VU meters will register 0dB. Rewind and replay the tone you >> recorded, >> if the VU meters do not show 0dB adjust the left and right screws >> for Level >> and try again (if the VU meters show less than 0dB eg -5dB turn the >> screw >> to the right, if it is in the red eg +3dB turn the screws to the >> left). >> >> The Bias is used to adjust the treble output, if when you record >> music, >> it sound as if it has too much treble compared to the original turn >> the left >> and right Bias screws and try recording again until the recording >> sound the >> same as the original. >> >> Make sure that you only turn the screws corresponding to the type >> of tape >> you have used. EX for ferric tapes and SX for chrome tape. Note >> that the >> 600 was made before Metal tapes existed and as such you cannot use >> Metal >> tapes for recording. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Cheers >> >> Michael >> >> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 >>> From: tona ciofalo >>> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E at earthlink.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >>> pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons >>> that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >>> the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >>> Thanks >>> Tona >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 86 >*************************************** ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 05:48:48 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:48:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <003c01c5de4f$9bc419f0$93a499de@tec> Message-ID: Ho Tona! I just found a mistake sorry...! TDK Ferric AD use (EX). Now it's 100% OK!!! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Donald Sangster" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 >Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:16:34 +1300 > >Hi again Tona > >I agree with Alex's assessment - both tapes types are optimal in the 600. > >Regards > >D. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:51 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 > > >>Hi Tona! >> >>The Nak 600 was optimized for TDK AD in ferric (AD) & SA in Chrome (SX). >>If you can obtain those today,...will record & sound best! >> >>Happy Listening! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: tona ciofalo >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 >>>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:21:48 -0800 >>> >>>Thanks a lot dudes, thanks for the service manual, thanks for the >>>instructions, thanks for the craziest warm welcome ive ever gotten on a >>>techy type forum. You guys are amazing. >>> >>>Thanks Michael for the info, it's exactly what I needed to hear, the 600 >>>is truly is a really bitchin player, and very underrated I think.. >>>anyway thanks for the insight on Metal tapes, I was this close to buying >>>a garbage bag full of em the other day.. can I ask though what the MOST >>>EPICLY ULTIMATE cassette is to use with the 600 though, in your opinion, >>>for recording vinyl? >>> >>>Thanks sooooooo much everyone I really appreciate it tremendously. >>> >>>Tona >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:17 PM, michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Tona >>>> >>>>Sorry I don't have an owners manual but I too own a Nakamichi 600. >>>> >>>>The "little nipple buttons" as you call them on the Nak 600 are just >>>>dust >>>>caps which can be removed (they just pull off) to expose a screw which >>>>you >>>>can turn with a small screwdriver to adjust left and right level, bias >>>>and >>>>I.M. suppression. The I.M. suppression screws are the only ones which >>>>work >>>>during playback try switching it on and play with the screws to see >>>>what >>>>it does (seems to affect the treble output in mine) >>>> >>>>The Level and Bias are used when you make a recording. >>>> >>>>Because it is a 2 head machine, to calibrate the record and playback >>>>levels >>>>press the 400Hz button and record and few seconds of the tone. Note >>>>that >>>>the VU meters will register 0dB. Rewind and replay the tone you >>>>recorded, >>>>if the VU meters do not show 0dB adjust the left and right screws for >>>>Level >>>>and try again (if the VU meters show less than 0dB eg -5dB turn the >>>>screw >>>>to the right, if it is in the red eg +3dB turn the screws to the left). >>>> >>>>The Bias is used to adjust the treble output, if when you record >>>>music, >>>>it sound as if it has too much treble compared to the original turn the >>>>left >>>>and right Bias screws and try recording again until the recording sound >>>>the >>>>same as the original. >>>> >>>>Make sure that you only turn the screws corresponding to the type of >>>>tape >>>>you have used. EX for ferric tapes and SX for chrome tape. Note that >>>>the >>>>600 was made before Metal tapes existed and as such you cannot use >>>>Metal >>>>tapes for recording. >>>> >>>>Hope this helps. >>>> >>>>Cheers >>>> >>>>Michael >>>> >>>> >>>>>Message: 8 >>>>>Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:01 -0800 >>>>>From: tona ciofalo >>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Message-ID: <847E219C-89EE-4892-83C6-667A42290B0E at earthlink.net> >>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>>Hey Does anyone have a computerized manual for the Nakamichi 600? >>>>>pleeeeease. I have no idea how to operate those little nipple buttons >>>>>that dont push-in or out, do you turn em? Any info on where to get >>>>>the operating instructions would be epicly amazing! >>>>>Thanks >>>>>Tona >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>___________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>>Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! >>>>http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>naktalk >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From our.family.mail at comcast.net Tue Nov 1 15:13:19 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (our.family.mail at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:13:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 tapes Message-ID: <110120051413.13682.436777FF000179A400003572220075078404070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Michael, Regarding your comment about Maxell XLIIS not being available. You can obtain them from http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/. Regards. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Nov 1 16:13:55 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:13:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? In-Reply-To: <4366AF61.8030701@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: Will who ever gave the suggestion about creating a playback head azmuth alignment tape repeat it? I can't find the post... it was a alignment tape one can make for Naks that don't have the PB azmuth control. You record white noise out of phase on the deck? Then, you physically adjust the PB head for miss aligned tapes you want to record, for best audio response. When through recording you use the test tape to align the playback head back to its original azmuth. I didn't quite understand the whole process... Thanks, Doane ************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Pawel Bartuzi Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? shane crowe wrote: >I thought about transferring tapes with bad pressure pads into new shells, but I've read >that this may not be a good idea for azimuth reasons. Then again on cheaply (or home) produced >cassettes does any of this really matter? Are the differences even going to be audible? > >If anyone thinks that trying to maximise performance of such cheaply produced tapes is unlikely to >be fruitful, and that I should just stick with what I've got, please speak up! You'll be >saving me money ! But the pressure pads thing is definitely annoying me, because I know it's causing >audible problems... > > For pressure pad problem, any Nak with 3 heads should do well (read info on naks.com as to which model actually has the pressure pad lifter). If you can not rationalize buying a Dragon or CR-7 for the job then consider something cheaper like Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 - both have 3 heads, pressure pad lifters and - what is their best feature IMHO - azimuth control (manual). Even if all of your tapes were recorded with just one deck, having azimuth control is very handy still - the azimuth can change when tape path is not clean, for example, and operating the azimuth control you actually hear the difference! I don't know how many sources do your tapes come from but for my needs (I have a lot of tapes recorded on different decks) the Cassette Deck 1 is an ideal solution (until I buy Dragon or CR-7 of course ). -- Pawel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Nov 1 17:01:14 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:01:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ?- Azimuth Adjustments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051101160114.67979.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane One of the problem (or advantage) with Nak play/ record head block is that the adjustments are plenty . they are all done using Plastic screws on metal base plate. If you are adjusting often, there are chances that the screws become loose. Secondly if you are not careful , you might adjust the wrong ones and that would be a disaster - as it happened to me many times. If you are not having those expensive tapes ( alignment ) , it would be a pain to get it back to alignment. So it is better to get hold of a Cassette Deck 1 to do your play back with nice adjustments rather than accessing those white plastic screws. However - I would not say that your idea is bad - because the adjustment knob does change the Azimuth by adjusting the position - not the screw - long time back and forth movement might loosen the screw) Please go through any of those service manuals - available in Thomas' website? - which explains the adjustments with nice pictures. Also those manuals talk about head height and azimuth and how those are to be adjusted. They can explain better than any other posts here. I would always urge people to own second 3 head Nak avilables such a low cost on ebay for your experiments!!! kannan Doane Hoag wrote: Will who ever gave the suggestion about creating a playback head azmuth alignment tape repeat it? I can't find the post... it was a alignment tape one can make for Naks that don't have the PB azmuth control. You record white noise out of phase on the deck? Then, you physically adjust the PB head for miss aligned tapes you want to record, for best audio response. When through recording you use the test tape to align the playback head back to its original azmuth. I didn't quite understand the whole process... Thanks, Doane ************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Pawel Bartuzi Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? shane crowe wrote: >I thought about transferring tapes with bad pressure pads into new shells, but I've read >that this may not be a good idea for azimuth reasons. Then again on cheaply (or home) produced >cassettes does any of this really matter? Are the differences even going to be audible? > >If anyone thinks that trying to maximise performance of such cheaply produced tapes is unlikely to >be fruitful, and that I should just stick with what I've got, please speak up! You'll be >saving me money ! But the pressure pads thing is definitely annoying me, because I know it's causing >audible problems... > > For pressure pad problem, any Nak with 3 heads should do well (read info on naks.com as to which model actually has the pressure pad lifter). If you can not rationalize buying a Dragon or CR-7 for the job then consider something cheaper like Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 - both have 3 heads, pressure pad lifters and - what is their best feature IMHO - azimuth control (manual). Even if all of your tapes were recorded with just one deck, having azimuth control is very handy still - the azimuth can change when tape path is not clean, for example, and operating the azimuth control you actually hear the difference! I don't know how many sources do your tapes come from but for my needs (I have a lot of tapes recorded on different decks) the Cassette Deck 1 is an ideal solution (until I buy Dragon or CR-7 of course ). -- Pawel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Nov 1 17:21:46 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:21:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ?- Azimuth Adjustments Message-ID: Thanks, Kannan... My ZX-7 is actually sounding pretty good on most of the old tapes I'm recording from (recording over to wav files for archives) I had thought I might be able to tweek the PB alignment a bit to get all I can out of it, but you're probably right, it might just cause more problems then it's worth. Someone else here had come up with the white noise "alighnment" idea though, it sounded interesting... Thanks for the feeback. Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From our.family.mail at comcast.net Tue Nov 1 19:41:31 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (our.family.mail at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:41:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 Message-ID: <110120051841.16548.4367B6DB00068482000040A4220922992704070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Dear members, ES Labs will overhaul my CR-7A in the next few weeks. It needs the record EQ mod and they will also do their own custom mods to record and playback EQ. I have the option to also modify the deck to IEC2 standard using Nakamichi's specified B-pattern EQ. I am considering this beacuse my tapes currently sound somewhat dull on non-Nak machines (granted it needs the rec EQ mod). I would like to obtain your thoughts on the IEC2 mod. My take is that Naks cut high frequency on record and boost on playback, whereas IEC2 decks boost high frequency on record and cut on playback. What this would mean is that if we modify the CR-7A to IEC2, the playback will have less high frequency boost (headroom) and older Nak tapes may sound duller, but recording will have more high frequency boost and therefore sound less dull on a non-Nak. As long as the tapes I make on the CR-7A with IEC2 mod sound good on the same machine (which they should) and on another non-Nak machine (as in my car), I would do the IEC2 mod. These tapes will likely sound slightly too bright when played on an IEC1 Nak, but this is ok. I would like to get your valuable input, and would appreciate especially if Scott Johnson also gave his feedback. Thanks. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Nov 1 20:32:45 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? Message-ID: Hello fellow enthusiasts Ive joined this list as I have to replace my existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I can afford a NAK. However I can only find one or two interesting 3 head machines on ebay availabale to me one of which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up 700ZXE in need of love and care I see very little being said about the BX300 and the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would you say was a fair price for these machines IF both were in good condition ....... or not so good condition I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im between paid work at present ....... hence the time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe onto cd's for the car etc. Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim amps, Isobarik's and early cd player look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS Peace Ian From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 1 23:12:53 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 In-Reply-To: <110120051841.16548.4367B6DB00068482000040A4220922992704070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20051101221253.19742.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Comments below. --- our.family.mail at comcast.net wrote: > Dear members, > ES Labs will overhaul my CR-7A in the next few weeks. It needs the > record EQ mod and they will also do their own custom mods to record > and playback EQ. I have the option to also modify the deck to IEC2 > standard using Nakamichi's specified B-pattern EQ. I am considering > this beacuse my tapes currently sound somewhat dull on non-Nak > machines (granted it needs the rec EQ mod). I would like to obtain > your thoughts on the IEC2 mod. My take is that Naks cut high > frequency on record and boost on playback, whereas IEC2 decks boost > high frequency on record and cut on playback. Yeah sort of, more genericly. IEC1 records high frequencies about 2dB lower than IEC2 and on playback plays back high frequencies 2dB higher than IEC2. This will make IEC1 recorded tapes sound dull on IEC2 decks and IEC2 recorded tapes sound overly bright on IEC1 decks. > What this would mean > is that if we modify the CR-7A to IEC2, the playback will have less > high frequency boost (headroom) and older Nak tapes may sound Yes, the draw back is the decreased headroom. I think that is one reason Nak stuck with it for so long. Going to IEC1 made their specs slightly worse. > duller, but recording will have more high frequency boost and > therefore sound less dull on a non-Nak. As long as the tapes I make > on the CR-7A with IEC2 mod sound good on the same machine (which > they should) and on another non-Nak machine (as in my car), I > would! > do the IEC2 mod. These tapes will likely sound slightly too One possible solution is to decrease the bias slightly to make recordings brighter, but, unfortunately this does not work on your CR-7 because it's all automatic. Your solutions are to get the IEC2 mod done, turn up the treble on your playback deck or turn down the bias a little during recording or get another deck that already is IEC2. Maybe a CR-3, CR-4, Cassette Deck1, 1.5, DR-1, DR-10, DR-2 or DR-3. These are all 3-head and IEC2 from the factory. They also all have gear idlers. > bright when played on an IEC1 Nak, but this is ok. I would like to > get your valuable input, and would appreciate especially if Scott > Johnson also gave his feedback. Thanks. John.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Nov 1 22:30:05 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:30:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Message-ID: <000201c5df2b$6d8752a0$e1a7d255@homeduron1300> Hi folks, I know I've posted on this before but it still strikes me as curious. Dragons seem to be bombing on eBay whilst CR7E's sell easily. In the last month on the UK eBay, one Dragon failed to get any bids and did not sell at £350 reserve and then one, which looked an excellent good buy went for £400 with only one bid. At the same time a CR7E (talked up well and obviously a good example, which had been recently serviced by B&W, I'll admit), made over £1017!! The current CR7E is going well at £550 with 3 days to go. Is the CR7 seen as superior to the Dragon? Is it because the Dragon is an older machine or maybe the recent HiFi world review has put the CR7 in the limelight. Curious indeed. David Edwards From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Nov 2 05:00:05 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:00:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing References: <000201c5df2b$6d8752a0$e1a7d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <001501c5df61$e8ff89d0$e3d117c4@home> Hi David! The going prices in UK for both are extremely good.The reserves are set too high! If you compare eBay prices of the UK vs others, you will find they are out of line with the American and German eBay prices.This has always intrigued me. Maybe the UK nakkers dont convert to a common currency when comparing(for buying or selling)! It would be an extremely rare occassion that a CR7 (no matter who blessed it) would go for just under $2000 on American eBay---It is just unheard of! That Hi Fi article must have had something to do with the disparity in prices between the CR7 and Dragon in your part of the world! If I was living in the UK,to get the same voltage NAK, I would buy on German eBay and save a lot of money! (By the way ,the above applies for other items as well eg Watch collectables and even Naim HiFi stuff) I possess quite a number of both types of decks---some people might not like this---the Dragons with all their auto facilities and perceived complexities seem to give LESS TROUBLE then the CR7's ! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edwards" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > Hi folks, I know I've posted on this before but it still strikes me as > curious. > Dragons seem to be bombing on eBay whilst CR7E's sell easily. > In the last month on the UK eBay, one Dragon failed to get any bids and > did > not sell at £350 reserve and then one, which looked an excellent good buy > went for £400 with only one bid. > At the same time a CR7E (talked up well and > obviously a good example, which had been recently serviced by B&W, I'll > admit), > made over £1017!! > The current CR7E is going well at £550 with 3 days to go. > Is the CR7 seen as superior to the Dragon? > Is it because the Dragon is an older machine or maybe the recent HiFi > world review has put the CR7 in the limelight. > > Curious indeed. > > David Edwards > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 1 23:50:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 In-Reply-To: <20051101221253.19742.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c5df36$9a903fe0$dbb587d9@oemcomputer> I hate to say it again, but playback on a Pioneer with FLEX will make ICE2 and ICE1 recordings virtually indistinguishable ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 01 November 2005 22:13 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 > > > Comments below. > > --- our.family.mail at comcast.net wrote: > > > Dear members, > > ES Labs will overhaul my CR-7A in the next few weeks. It needs the > > record EQ mod and they will also do their own custom mods to record > > and playback EQ. I have the option to also modify the deck to IEC2 > > standard using Nakamichi's specified B-pattern EQ. I am considering > > this beacuse my tapes currently sound somewhat dull on non-Nak > > machines (granted it needs the rec EQ mod). I would like to obtain > > your thoughts on the IEC2 mod. My take is that Naks cut high > > frequency on record and boost on playback, whereas IEC2 decks boost > > high frequency on record and cut on playback. > > Yeah sort of, more genericly. IEC1 records high frequencies about > 2dB lower than IEC2 and on playback plays back high frequencies 2dB > higher than IEC2. This will make IEC1 recorded tapes sound dull on > IEC2 decks and IEC2 recorded tapes sound overly bright on IEC1 decks. > > > What this would mean > > is that if we modify the CR-7A to IEC2, the playback will have less > > high frequency boost (headroom) and older Nak tapes may sound > > Yes, the draw back is the decreased headroom. I think that is one > reason Nak stuck with it for so long. Going to IEC1 made their specs > slightly worse. > > > duller, but recording will have more high frequency boost and > > therefore sound less dull on a non-Nak. As long as the tapes I make > > on the CR-7A with IEC2 mod sound good on the same machine (which > > they should) and on another non-Nak machine (as in my car), I > > would! > > do the IEC2 mod. These tapes will likely sound slightly too > > One possible solution is to decrease the bias slightly to make > recordings brighter, but, unfortunately this does not work on your > CR-7 because it's all automatic. Your solutions are to get the IEC2 > mod done, turn up the treble on your playback deck or turn down the > bias a little during recording or get another deck that already is > IEC2. Maybe a CR-3, CR-4, Cassette Deck1, 1.5, DR-1, DR-10, DR-2 or > DR-3. These are all 3-head and IEC2 from the factory. They also all > have gear idlers. > > > bright when played on an IEC1 Nak, but this is ok. I would like to > > get your valuable input, and would appreciate especially if Scott > > Johnson also gave his feedback. Thanks. John.> From our.family.mail at comcast.net Wed Nov 2 00:09:22 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (our.family.mail at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:09:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 Message-ID: <110120052309.18574.4367F5A1000DB2C40000488E220588617204070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Scott, Thank you for the follow up. While you and I interpret the differences similarly, ES Labs seems to have a different (somewhat opposite) view and I quote "IEC1 was the EQ used by others prior to the early 1980's, not by Nakamichi. Nakamichi wanted to adhere to the Philips cassette patent. They interpreted the EQ specifications as to what is being recorded onto the tape, not into the record head because heads, made from different companies, have different losses. Since Nakamichi heads are very efficient, their recorded tapes sound bright on other machines. Any older tapes that were recorded on the Nakamichi will sound a little bright when played on the IEC2 machine. Have this IEC2 modification done only if you are going to play your newly recorded tapes on other machines, other than a Nakamichi. They will still sound GREAT on your CR-7A! The IEC2 modification is done to record and playback so that the frequency is perfect." I would appreciate your input on their comments. Thanks. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 2 02:08:23 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:08:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 In-Reply-To: <110120051841.16548.4367B6DB00068482000040A4220922992704070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> References: <110120051841.16548.4367B6DB00068482000040A4220922992704070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43681187.9090806@rcn.com> our.family.mail at comcast.net wrote: > Dear members, > ES Labs will overhaul my CR-7A in the next few weeks. It needs the > record EQ mod and they will also do their own custom mods to record and > playback EQ. I have the option to also modify the deck to IEC2 standard > using Nakamichi's specified B-pattern EQ. I am considering this beacuse > my tapes currently sound somewhat dull on non-Nak machines (granted it > needs the rec EQ mod). I would like to obtain your thoughts on the IEC2 > mod. My take is that Naks cut high frequency on record and boost on > playback, whereas IEC2 decks boost high frequency on record and cut on > playback. What this would mean is that if we modify the CR-7A to IEC2, > the playback will have less high frequency boost (headroom) and older > Nak tapes may sound duller, but recording will have more high frequency > boost and therefore sound less dull on a non-Nak. As long as the tapes I > make on the CR-7A with IEC2 mod sound good on the same machine (which > they should) and on another non-Nak machine (as in m! y car), I would do > the IEC2 mod. These tapes will likely sound slightly too bright when > played on an IEC1 Nak, but this is ok. I would like to get your valuable > input, and would appreciate especially if Scott Johnson also gave his > feedback. Thanks. John. I installed the EQ mod, per Nakamichi instructions, about 5-6 years ago. IIRC, treble response was improved. I then sent the deck to Stephen Sank, who did a complete calibration on it. This further improved overall sound quality. Difference, compared to the pre EQ mod, was very noticeable. Personally, I would have Jeff do the Nakamichi EQ mod (and ask him to do it *exactly* per the instructions). I would pass on any other proprietary mods to equalization. If the deck lacks the gear mod, I (again, personal opinion) feel it's a worthwhile mod. -- Ron From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 2 05:26:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:26:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Message-ID: Hi David! As I own today a Dragon"...seems me that this >"the recent HiFi world review has put the CR7 in the limelight".< Is the sole reason, WHY...Dragons are harder to be sold! Be well! ALEX! >From: "David Edwards" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing >Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:30:05 -0000 > >Hi folks, I know I've posted on this before but it still strikes me as >curious. >Dragons seem to be bombing on eBay whilst CR7E's sell easily. >In the last month on the UK eBay, one Dragon failed to get any bids and did >not sell at �350 reserve and then one, which looked an excellent good buy >went for �400 with only one bid. >At the same time a CR7E (talked up well and >obviously a good example, which had been recently serviced by B&W, I'll >admit), >made over �1017!! >The current CR7E is going well at �550 with 3 days to go. >Is the CR7 seen as superior to the Dragon? >Is it because the Dragon is an older machine or maybe the recent HiFi world >review has put the CR7 in the limelight. > >Curious indeed. > >David Edwards > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Wed Nov 2 07:45:27 2005 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:45:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1 vs IEC2 (B) In-Reply-To: <200511020404.jA243TAi031632@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511020404.jA243TAi031632@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051102004011.02c78c20@stager.com> The IEC 2 eq curve, established in March 1981, calls for a level 4 dB LOWER record level and 4dB HIGHER playback level at 15kHz than the 1968 (?) IEC1 spec, which was abandoned by all cassette deck manufacturers except for Nakamichi. Nakamichi, claiming to have superior tape heads, was able to record a hotter signal on the tape so they felt that the new standard was not necessary - that it was not an improvement but a degradation compared to the original eq curves. The older IEC1 (Nak) spec also resulted in a slightly less hissy cassette, but also made pre-recorded cassettes, generally made to IEC2 spec, sound a little less bright. A slight increase in the treble control is a simple fix for that. The IEC1 spec does have a small price: Being that the HF level is being pushed harder on record there is about a .5 to 1% increase in HD at 0 level compared to IEC2 - so be careful on the peaks. That's the nature of the tape, not the machine. Still better overall than IEC2 in terms of noise. After all is said and done, it's mostly a wash. Nak should have gone with the IEC2 like everyone else and could have claimed to allow a slightly higher undistorted record level - still beating the competition in s/n ratio but without the minor incompatibility. The fact that you are hearing your Nak tapes sounding less bright on other decks points to a misalignment or miscalibration of one or both machines. The Nak cassettes should have more treble on a non-Nak machine, not less. As to changing from IEC1 to IEC2? Probably an expense not warranted. It won't make your cassettes sound less dull on other machines. It will do exactly the opposite. Again, IEC1 prints more highs on the cassette. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ tel: 1212-595-4065 -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >... I have the option to also modify the (CR-7) deck to IEC2 >standard using Nakamichi's specified B-pattern EQ. I am considering >this beacuse my tapes currently sound somewhat dull on non-Nak >machines (granted it needs the rec EQ mod). I would like to obtain >your thoughts on the IEC2 mod. My take is that Naks cut high >frequency on record and boost on playback, whereas IEC2 decks boost >high frequency on record and cut on playback. What this would mean >is that if we modify the CR-7A to IEC2, the playback will have less >high frequency boost (headroom) and older Nak tapes may sound >duller, but recording will have more high frequency boost and >therefore sound less dull on a non-Nak. As long as the tapes I make >on the CR-7A with IEC2 mod sound good on the same machine (which >they should) and on another non-Nak machine (as in my car), I >would! do the IEC2 mod. These tapes will likely sound slightly too >bright when played on an IEC1 Nak, but this is ok. I would like to >get your valuable input, and would appreciate especially if Scott >Johnson also gave his feedback. Thanks. John. From michael_martorana at lineone.net Wed Nov 2 13:02:28 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:02:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Maxwell XLIIs In-Reply-To: <200511020403.jA243TAh031632@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4366F1F1000091BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi John Thanks for the link!!! Michael >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:13:19 +0000 >From: our.family.mail at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 tapes >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: > <110120051413.13682.436777FF000179A400003572220075078404070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01 at comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Michael, > >Regarding your comment about Maxell XLIIS not being available. You can obtain >them from http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/. Regards. John ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 2 15:43:46 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:43:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: <4368D0A2.1030102@sbcglobal.net> Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like kicking dirt on my old Dragon after reading this one! :-) *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp Ken * From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Nov 2 15:45:59 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SKC ZX Metal In-Reply-To: <4366F1F1000091BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <200511020403.jA243TAh031632@zxe.naks.com> <4366F1F1000091BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051102093102.01abc818@psulias.psu.edu> Finally tried out this Korean (?) tape that is going for $7.50 a pop, and looks to be the only new metal tape on the market. Recorded the SACD Police Greatest Hits (was called The Singles once) from my Philips SA963 to the venerable Dragon. First thing I noticed when setting the bias was how clear the high 16KHz signal was (I think that's where it is). On every other tape I have used I've either not heard it or had to strain pretty hard to hear it. Plain as day with this tape. Got things rolling with Roxanne, had the level a little too high (+10 during Can't Stand Losing You) with some inconsistent CD output levels. Got that straightened out. Remarkably flat and even response on this tape. Very neutral sounding. Outstanding bass coherency, really delivered fast, punchy and clear. Really the only area that the SACD source clearly outshone the tape was cymbals (which were louder and more clearly spotted) and Sting's voice had a little more texture on the original. So in the extreme high end the imaging contracted a little and the sound mellowed a little. Of course the SACD noise floor is practically non-existent so with a few quiet passages the tape hiss is evident. Finished off the tape using a few songs from The Police Box Set (not SACD) and quite frankly I could tell no difference between the source and CD. Literally identical, which is probably about the highest praise a tape can get. Overall a very neutral tape that can take some punishment (+7 peaks) with out flinching. Case and insert card are cheap crap (Insert is for a Normal Bias tape) and you don't even get labels with the tape! Shell was not noisy at all, but doesn't seem to be anything special. Pretty good. Overall the SKC is at least as good as the TDK MA or Maxell MX of yesteryear. Never had any "super" metals so I couldn't really compare it to them. Definately a good buy at $7.50. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From rob at rhoag.com Wed Nov 2 19:41:43 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:41:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <4368D0A2.1030102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: It will be interesting to see if he gets that much, almost what it sold for new! Anyway, that's what I think about my ZX-7's too, almost identical to the 9, it is one of the finest decks Nakamichi ever made. I got my first one back in the 80's, then in a fit of stupidity, sold it in the 90's, then got two more recently, one was fine tuned by Steven Sanks a few years ago by the previous owner, the other is stock and I am replacing the orange caps in it and fixing it up. I am going to see how it compares with Sanks when I get through. The ZX-7 was used as a reference deck for many years for stereo magazine reports on other decks; it and the 9 were always considered the best out there. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like kicking dirt on my old Dragon after reading this one! :-) *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp Ken * ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 2 20:13:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:13:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: Hi Ken! Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!! Regards, ALEX! >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:43:46 -0600 > >Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like kicking dirt on my old >Dragon after reading this one! :-) > >*http://tinyurl.com/dzebp > > >Ken >* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 2 20:19:05 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:19:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <4368D0A2.1030102@sbcglobal.net> References: <4368D0A2.1030102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <43691129.6050709@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like kicking dirt on my old > Dragon after reading this one! :-) > > *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to high security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used. -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 2 22:54:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:54:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <1C8A07CA-BF1F-415E-ADC2-85E00E99EA1F@earthlink.net> References: <432A947F000F6D73@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1C8A07CA-BF1F-415E-ADC2-85E00E99EA1F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43693592.5020801@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tona, tona ciofalo wrote: >...can I ask though what > the MOST EPICLY ULTIMATE cassette is to use with the 600 though, in > your opinion, for recording vinyl? I'd say either the TDK SA or the Quantegy 472. You have my personal favorite Nakamichi there! I've used the 600-II since the 1970s for professional purposes, like making test mix downs or for recording demos. It's good enough to record an album master on if you're careful. Use dbx Type II noise reduction (222, 224, NX-40) and you'll equal a CD's quality with a "mere" cassette! dbx, contrary to Internet-spread myths, reduces distortion and will not mistrack perceptibly unless you use bad quality tapes or set levels wrong. Congrats on your groovy 600! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 2 22:59:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:59:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi for transferring cassette to CDR ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436936AC.7020608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Will who ever gave the suggestion about creating a playback head azmuth > alignment tape repeat it? I did. Tapes will be available as soon as I've finished the recorder that will make them, spring at the latest. The tape has a special test tone (15,000 or 10,000 cps) Proper azimuth is achieved with the maximum level of the alignment test tone. Recommended accessories is an AC RMS meter that can measure up to 15,00 cps, or an oscilloscope. I may make a special meter (easy to use for the non-techie) to use with the tape for setting azimuth. Design of this is in progress. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 2 23:00:29 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:00:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436936FD.5090406@woods-and-waters.com> Correct Alex! Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Tona! > > The Nak 600 was optimized for TDK AD in ferric (AD) & SA in Chrome (SX). > If you can obtain those today,...will record & sound best! Or Quantegy 472 if those cannot be found. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 23:53:55 2005 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:53:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, have a look here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 Victor --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Hello fellow enthusiasts > > Ive joined this list as I have to replace my > existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I > can afford a NAK. > > However I can only find one or two interesting 3 > head machines on ebay availabale to me one of > which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up > 700ZXE in need of love and care > > I see very little being said about the BX300 and > the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would > you say was a fair price for these machines IF > both were in good condition ....... or not so > good condition > > I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im > between paid work at present ....... hence the > time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe > onto cd's for the car etc. > > Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm > and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim > amps, Isobarik's and early cd player > > look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS > > Peace > > Ian > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 3 00:41:23 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR-7A to IEC2 standard In-Reply-To: <110220052326.18523.43694B32000E98110000485B22069997350A9D0A0804070E030A900E08@comcast.net> References: <110220052326.18523.43694B32000E98110000485B22069997350A9D0A0804070E030A900E08@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43694EA3.2020508@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John, Great info! Thanks! The core issue is actually that of compatibility. IF it is important to your uses of your recorders that tapes made on your Nak be compatible with IEC2 recorders, then get the modification; otherwise, save your money. For example, if the Nak is your only deck and you trade tapes with others who do not own an IEC1 Nak; or if you have a large collection of tapes made on IEC2 cassette recorders. For my purposes, I keep my IEC1 Naks as IEC1 Naks. I've found the slight edge in headroom offered by IEC1 EQ is ideal for my purposes. When I need a tape made that must be compatible with IEC2 cassette decks then I use my Revox B710 Mk. II, for critical recordings; or my Pioneer CT-F7272 for non-critical recordings. havemailhere at comcast.net wrote: > > > Thank you for your interest in this topic of IEC1 versus 2. ... > The Nakamichi technical bulletin explains this in their own testing of a > standard tape, and I quote "It can readily be observed that the response > is 1dB high at 4000 Hz and 2 dB high at 10Khz. A cassette recorder > designed to this "standard" tape would yield dull sounding reproductions > of tapes recorded to the correct Philips specifications. Conversely, a > tape recorder on such a machine would sound bright when played on a > correctly designed cassette deck" ... > Bottom line is that this explains why tapes made on Naks > sound duller (not brighter) on IEC2 machines and tapes made on IEC2 > tapes sound brighter (not duller) on Naks. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 01:01:02 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:01:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Message-ID: Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over $600 US! It looks really nice in the photos. Doane http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQca tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 02:00:38 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:00:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Message-ID: Just wanted to let everyone know I finished working on my ZX-7 and it sounds incredible. I also wanted to thank everyone for their help in locating caps, etc. I went ahead and did it right, replaced ALL of the orange polypropylene caps, 2 on the Switch PCB, 11 on the Dolby NR PCB, 7 on the main board + a Mylar and 2 mica caps. If any one is interested I can send a list of exactly what was replaced. I used all 5% and better tolerance from Mouser Electronics online. The micas were 2%. I also cleaned all the control pots and switches with Deoxit and then treated them with ProGold, along with the cable connectors. The original problems, after getting the transport working, were: Levels and bias tones would cut out so there was no way to set the Record Head azimuth, or set the levels and bias. Output channels were unequal from recording. All adjustments now work beautifully, there is no static from switches or controls, and the sound is really beautiful. I just tried a recording of a Stereophile CD, Editors Picks. I used a TDK SAX100 limited tape and set up the azimuth, levels and bias then recorded with Dolby C. The CD is identical to the tape out using the source/tape monitor. I was also surprised that even with the Dolby OFF, the noise floor is way down, you have to turn the out put level up quite a bit and then you just hear a very soft hash background electronics noise. Final question: When rewinding, when the tape comes to a stop at the memory stop or at the end, there is a bit of chatter noise. What might be causing that? 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Don't understand why you can't opened? Is from eBay...with my" Hotmail"..was easy to opened! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:19:05 -0500 > >Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: >>Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like kicking dirt on my old >>Dragon after reading this one! :-) >> >>*http://tinyurl.com/dzebp > >Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to high >security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 3 04:20:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:20:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 Message-ID: Hi Kermit! This brand >Or Quantegy 472 if those cannot be found.< here in Israel I never saw/listen one of these!. Seems me that ONLY can be obtain in USA! Be well always...Kermit! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 600 >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:00:29 -0600 > >Correct Alex! > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Tona! >> >>The Nak 600 was optimized for TDK AD in ferric (AD) & SA in Chrome (SX). >>If you can obtain those today,...will record & sound best! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Kevin.McDermott at unisa.edu.au Thu Nov 3 05:37:38 2005 From: Kevin.McDermott at unisa.edu.au (Kevin McDermott) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:07:38 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door Message-ID: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D0350404FFF7@ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au> I have a BX-1, still in use. There's a damper which controls the rate at which the cassette loading door opens. Unfortunately mine isn't effective any more. Is this repairable? Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 06:08:46 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:08:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <43691129.6050709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051103050846.17118.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Awesome, but he did conveniently left out the CR7, 700ZXL and 1000ZXL. My 700ZXL which has a crippled computer still outdoes my CR7 and Dragon but a huge margin. Entirely different character, totally different sound. With the two latter decks, you feel like you are listening to a very good cassette deck. CR7 gives a crisp high and low and plenty of clarity. I feel it has been voiced to match the sound of compact discs. But the ZXLs, they are the mice that roared! They don't sound anything you would get out out 1 7/8 ips. It sounds like a full blooded 7 1/2 ips quarter track open reel deck, nothing less! And they are using the original complement of components. I wonder how they would respond with the orange caps changed to Panasonics, new filter caps, and high-tolerance vishay resistors on the playback amp. Bala --- Ron wrote: > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like > kicking dirt on my old > > Dragon after reading this one! :-) > > > > *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp > > Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to > high > security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used. > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Nov 3 11:20:34 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:20:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons on UK eBay? References: Message-ID: <001401c5e060$3a94ce00$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> $600 equates to approx GPB 339. This is again an illustration of the high prices that the UK Nakkers (and other UK sellers in general) expect on eBay.uk.A previous posting indicated a Dragon got no bids on a GPB 350 reserve -- and that sounded surprising to him ! Here, after 13 bids this price had not even been reached. The UK prices are too high or alternatively UK eBayers pay too much!Anybody who achieves a selling price for a Dragon of $600 (superlative specimens might command a bit more)on American eBay can be very happy indeed! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over $600 > US! > It looks really nice in the photos. > Doane > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQca > tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 3 11:20:47 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:20:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DBA1@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Hi Doane, that's great news to hear on your ZX7. I own a ZX9 and it too makes the chatter noise at the end (or beginning) of the tape during FF or REW, this is a normal noise and it's caused by the rubber on the large idler wheel in your mechanism. If anyone asks why it's making that noise just tell them that this deck has a heavy duty rewind and FF mech :) Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:01 PM To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Just wanted to let everyone know I finished working on my ZX-7 and it sounds incredible. I also wanted to thank everyone for their help in locating caps, etc. I went ahead and did it right, replaced ALL of the orange polypropylene caps, 2 on the Switch PCB, 11 on the Dolby NR PCB, 7 on the main board + a Mylar and 2 mica caps. If any one is interested I can send a list of exactly what was replaced. I used all 5% and better tolerance from Mouser Electronics online. The micas were 2%. I also cleaned all the control pots and switches with Deoxit and then treated them with ProGold, along with the cable connectors. The original problems, after getting the transport working, were: Levels and bias tones would cut out so there was no way to set the Record Head azimuth, or set the levels and bias. Output channels were unequal from recording. All adjustments now work beautifully, there is no static from switches or controls, and the sound is really beautiful. I just tried a recording of a Stereophile CD, Editors Picks. I used a TDK SAX100 limited tape and set up the azimuth, levels and bias then recorded with Dolby C. The CD is identical to the tape out using the source/tape monitor. I was also surprised that even with the Dolby OFF, the noise floor is way down, you have to turn the out put level up quite a bit and then you just hear a very soft hash background electronics noise. Final question: When rewinding, when the tape comes to a stop at the memory stop or at the end, there is a bit of chatter noise. What might be causing that? Thanks, Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Nov 3 11:21:30 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:21:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 References: <001901c5df36$9a903fe0$dbb587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001901c5e060$5c222130$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> You tell them Graham! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:50 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 >I hate to say it again, but playback on a Pioneer with FLEX will make ICE2 > and ICE1 recordings virtually indistinguishable ... > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Scott Johnson >> Sent: 01 November 2005 22:13 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 >> >> >> Comments below. >> >> --- our.family.mail at comcast.net wrote: >> >> > Dear members, >> > ES Labs will overhaul my CR-7A in the next few weeks. It needs the >> > record EQ mod and they will also do their own custom mods to record >> > and playback EQ. I have the option to also modify the deck to IEC2 >> > standard using Nakamichi's specified B-pattern EQ. I am considering >> > this beacuse my tapes currently sound somewhat dull on non-Nak >> > machines (granted it needs the rec EQ mod). I would like to obtain >> > your thoughts on the IEC2 mod. My take is that Naks cut high >> > frequency on record and boost on playback, whereas IEC2 decks boost >> > high frequency on record and cut on playback. >> >> Yeah sort of, more genericly. IEC1 records high frequencies about >> 2dB lower than IEC2 and on playback plays back high frequencies 2dB >> higher than IEC2. This will make IEC1 recorded tapes sound dull on >> IEC2 decks and IEC2 recorded tapes sound overly bright on IEC1 decks. >> >> > What this would mean >> > is that if we modify the CR-7A to IEC2, the playback will have less >> > high frequency boost (headroom) and older Nak tapes may sound >> >> Yes, the draw back is the decreased headroom. I think that is one >> reason Nak stuck with it for so long. Going to IEC1 made their specs >> slightly worse. >> >> > duller, but recording will have more high frequency boost and >> > therefore sound less dull on a non-Nak. As long as the tapes I make >> > on the CR-7A with IEC2 mod sound good on the same machine (which >> > they should) and on another non-Nak machine (as in my car), I >> > would! >> > do the IEC2 mod. These tapes will likely sound slightly too >> >> One possible solution is to decrease the bias slightly to make >> recordings brighter, but, unfortunately this does not work on your >> CR-7 because it's all automatic. Your solutions are to get the IEC2 >> mod done, turn up the treble on your playback deck or turn down the >> bias a little during recording or get another deck that already is >> IEC2. Maybe a CR-3, CR-4, Cassette Deck1, 1.5, DR-1, DR-10, DR-2 or >> DR-3. These are all 3-head and IEC2 from the factory. They also all >> have gear idlers. >> >> > bright when played on an IEC1 Nak, but this is ok. I would like to >> > get your valuable input, and would appreciate especially if Scott >> > Johnson also gave his feedback. Thanks. John.> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Nov 3 11:34:44 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? References: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c5e062$352fa960$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on > ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, > have a look here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 > > Victor > > > --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> Hello fellow enthusiasts >> >> Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >> existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >> can afford a NAK. >> >> However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >> head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >> which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >> 700ZXE in need of love and care >> >> I see very little being said about the BX300 and >> the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >> you say was a fair price for these machines IF >> both were in good condition ....... or not so >> good condition >> >> I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im >> between paid work at present ....... hence the >> time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >> onto cd's for the car etc. >> >> Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >> and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >> amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >> >> look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >> >> Peace >> >> Ian >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Nov 3 11:41:14 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:41:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak References: <20051103050846.17118.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003701c5e063$1d6687d0$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Bala,I can only confirm what you say---but darn those crippled computers in the ZXL's !!!!I am sure your observations are not in the mind ,it is difficult for most people to understand (or believe)that there is still a HUGE margin above Dragons and CR7's!---The ZXL's take you to a different level!! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > Awesome, > > but he did conveniently left out the CR7, 700ZXL and > 1000ZXL. My 700ZXL which has a crippled computer still > outdoes my CR7 and Dragon but a huge margin. Entirely > different character, totally different sound. With the > two latter decks, you feel like you are listening to a > very good cassette deck. > > CR7 gives a crisp high and low and plenty of clarity. > I feel it has been voiced to match the sound of > compact discs. > > But the ZXLs, they are the mice that roared! They > don't sound anything you would get out out 1 7/8 ips. > It sounds like a full blooded 7 1/2 ips quarter track > open reel deck, nothing less! And they are using the > original complement of components. I wonder how they > would respond with the orange caps changed to > Panasonics, new filter caps, and high-tolerance vishay > resistors on the playback amp. > > Bala > > --- Ron wrote: > >> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: >> > Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like >> kicking dirt on my old >> > Dragon after reading this one! :-) >> > >> > *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp >> >> Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to >> high >> security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used. >> >> -- Ron >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From andrewspencer at eircom.net Thu Nov 3 11:57:21 2005 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:57:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? References: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002b01c5e062$352fa960$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <005401c5e065$5dd53620$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Ian I have four Nakamichi Cassette Decks, a CR7, Cassette Deck 1, CR-3E and a Cassette Deck 2. All are in mint condition and were acquired off ebay at what I consider to be bargain prices: CR7A - $335 plus $50 Shipping & $100 Import Tax & Duty - This came from the US on ebay.com. Cassette Deck 1- 163 Euro plus 18 euro shipping from ebay.de. CR-3E - 106 euro plus 33 euros shipping from ebay.de. Cassette Deck 2 - £62.53 Plus Postage from ebay.co.uk I would highly recommend searching ebay.de where there are loads of Nakamichi's for sale and of course they are 230-240v. Good luck! Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "wdrewes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! Good > luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to bed at > night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is an > achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I > depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Digital Voice" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > > >I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on > > ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, > > have a look here: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 > > > > Victor > > > > > > --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > > > >> Hello fellow enthusiasts > >> > >> Ive joined this list as I have to replace my > >> existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I > >> can afford a NAK. > >> > >> However I can only find one or two interesting 3 > >> head machines on ebay availabale to me one of > >> which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up > >> 700ZXE in need of love and care > >> > >> I see very little being said about the BX300 and > >> the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would > >> you say was a fair price for these machines IF > >> both were in good condition ....... or not so > >> good condition > >> > >> I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im > >> between paid work at present ....... hence the > >> time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe > >> onto cd's for the car etc. > >> > >> Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm > >> and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim > >> amps, Isobarik's and early cd player > >> > >> look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS > >> > >> Peace > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Nov 3 14:49:36 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:49:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? References: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c5e07d$71531010$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> I would think you'd have MUCH better luck selling them individually. You're going to have a really hard time finding someone who wants to buy 137 cassette decks, nevermind actually having the cash to pay for them. Good luck though, -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on > ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, > have a look here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 > > Victor From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 3 15:03:19 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: <436A18A7.7090307@sbcglobal.net> Alex says: "Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" Ken says: It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what others have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal to my Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the Dragon is so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R running at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. If only I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! Cheers Alex! From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 3 15:08:13 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:08:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: <436A19CD.3070501@sbcglobal.net> Ron says with authority: "Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to high security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used." Ken replies with tail tucked: Oh, sorry about that. I thought it made things easier. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI -ZX-9-Worlds-Best -Recorder-EVER- Pristine_W0Q QitemZ5824253181QQ categoryZ64598 QQr dZ 1QQ cmd ZViewItem From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 3 15:22:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b801c5e082$071ae2e0$c5b187d9@oemcomputer> Victor Just a thought but wouldn't you have more chance of getting a good price if you sold these individually? There can't be many people in the World who'd want 137 cassette decks let one who could afford them ... And if they could afford them in one swoop, wouldn't they want to collect the fancier, more exotic and high end decks? No offence intended. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Digital Voice > Sent: 02 November 2005 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > > I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on > ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, > have a look here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 > > Victor > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 16:08:18 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:08:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <003701c5e063$1d6687d0$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <20051103150819.56260.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And definitely much higher then the ZX series Bala --- wdrewes wrote: > Bala,I can only confirm what you say---but darn > those crippled computers in > the ZXL's !!!!I am sure your observations are not > in the mind ,it is > difficult for most people to understand (or > believe)that there is still a > HUGE margin above Dragons and CR7's!---The ZXL's > take you to a different > level!! > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > > > > Awesome, > > > > but he did conveniently left out the CR7, 700ZXL > and > > 1000ZXL. My 700ZXL which has a crippled computer > still > > outdoes my CR7 and Dragon but a huge margin. > Entirely > > different character, totally different sound. With > the > > two latter decks, you feel like you are listening > to a > > very good cassette deck. > > > > CR7 gives a crisp high and low and plenty of > clarity. > > I feel it has been voiced to match the sound of > > compact discs. > > > > But the ZXLs, they are the mice that roared! They > > don't sound anything you would get out out 1 7/8 > ips. > > It sounds like a full blooded 7 1/2 ips quarter > track > > open reel deck, nothing less! And they are using > the > > original complement of components. I wonder how > they > > would respond with the orange caps changed to > > Panasonics, new filter caps, and high-tolerance > vishay > > resistors on the playback amp. > > > > Bala > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > >> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > >> > Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like > >> kicking dirt on my old > >> > Dragon after reading this one! :-) > >> > > >> > *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp > >> > >> Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to > >> high > >> security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not > used. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > >> http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 16:27:44 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:27:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Victor: That's ammmazing, I take it you aren't married, or have just got a divorce because of this? :~) Just kidding, but I think it's good you are taking this step... any one who buys your collection will probably be some one who will care a great deal about the equipment, so don't worry. Your prices are more then fair, and if you don't sell them, you can always open a museum. :~) Good luck, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Digital Voice Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:54 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, have a look here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 Victor --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Hello fellow enthusiasts > > Ive joined this list as I have to replace my > existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I > can afford a NAK. > > However I can only find one or two interesting 3 > head machines on ebay availabale to me one of > which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up > 700ZXE in need of love and care > > I see very little being said about the BX300 and > the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would > you say was a fair price for these machines IF > both were in good condition ....... or not so > good condition > > I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im > between paid work at present ....... hence the > time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe > onto cd's for the car etc. > > Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm > and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim > amps, Isobarik's and early cd player > > look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS > > Peace > > Ian > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin McDermott Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door I have a BX-1, still in use. There's a damper which controls the rate at which the cassette loading door opens. Unfortunately mine isn't effective any more. Is this repairable? Kevin From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 17:00:47 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:00:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DBA1@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: OK, Tom, thanks for the info. I just realized it only does it at the ends of the high speed tape winding in FF or RR, NOT when it stops at a 000 memory stop point as I had first thought. The ZX-7 fast winds REALLY fast, it's quite amazing, it actually would be a problem if it didn't have the excellent cue feature with the two slow down speed settings so you can find a selection. I understand the main difference on the ZX-9 is it uses direct drive, that's surprising it would do the same thing, but maybe the reel mechanism is the same on the two? This was just a project I got into, I bought this one on Ebay thinking it was in good shape, then discovered the several problems it had. I don't think anyone ever took the adjustment covers off or ever tried to adjust the azimuth as the knobs were almost frozen and could be hardly turned and I had trouble just getting the covers off, they were almost glued on from sitting for 25 some years with no removal. Same goes for the bottom chassis plate, had to use some vice grips to get some of the screws loose. It took a lot of cleaning and exercising them, but all the controls are like new again. I'm going to put this on Ebay for someone else to enjoy. I've got another one, worked on by Steven Sanks, just a couple of years ago, that I'm going to keep for myself, He too did the orange cap exchange as well as some other mods and tuned it up really nicely, it sounds great and needs no work. I've also got an LX-5 that I'm now going to do the cap magic on and clean up and auction. I'm really not doing this expecting to make much money, it's just fun and maybe I can help keep these beautiful machines out there for others to enjoy. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:21 AM To: 'rob at rhoag.com'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Hi Doane, that's great news to hear on your ZX7. I own a ZX9 and it too makes the chatter noise at the end (or beginning) of the tape during FF or REW, this is a normal noise and it's caused by the rubber on the large idler wheel in your mechanism. If anyone asks why it's making that noise just tell them that this deck has a heavy duty rewind and FF mech :) Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:01 PM To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Just wanted to let everyone know I finished working on my ZX-7 and it sounds incredible. I also wanted to thank everyone for their help in locating caps, etc. I went ahead and did it right, replaced ALL of the orange polypropylene caps, 2 on the Switch PCB, 11 on the Dolby NR PCB, 7 on the main board + a Mylar and 2 mica caps. If any one is interested I can send a list of exactly what was replaced. I used all 5% and better tolerance from Mouser Electronics online. The micas were 2%. I also cleaned all the control pots and switches with Deoxit and then treated them with ProGold, along with the cable connectors. The original problems, after getting the transport working, were: Levels and bias tones would cut out so there was no way to set the Record Head azimuth, or set the levels and bias. Output channels were unequal from recording. All adjustments now work beautifully, there is no static from switches or controls, and the sound is really beautiful. I just tried a recording of a Stereophile CD, Editors Picks. I used a TDK SAX100 limited tape and set up the azimuth, levels and bias then recorded with Dolby C. The CD is identical to the tape out using the source/tape monitor. I was also surprised that even with the Dolby OFF, the noise floor is way down, you have to turn the out put level up quite a bit and then you just hear a very soft hash background electronics noise. Final question: When rewinding, when the tape comes to a stop at the memory stop or at the end, there is a bit of chatter noise. What might be causing that? Thanks, Doane From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 17:05:36 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:05:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: <002b01c5e062$352fa960$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: We live in a small house, and having three of them sitting in here while I work on two of them is starting to get on my wife's nerves, I can't imagine having a collection like that... he really could open a museum. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on > ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, > have a look here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 > > Victor > > > --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> Hello fellow enthusiasts >> >> Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >> existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >> can afford a NAK. >> >> However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >> head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >> which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >> 700ZXE in need of love and care >> >> I see very little being said about the BX300 and >> the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >> you say was a fair price for these machines IF >> both were in good condition ....... or not so >> good condition >> >> I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im >> between paid work at present ....... hence the >> time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >> onto cd's for the car etc. >> >> Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >> and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >> amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >> >> look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >> >> Peace >> >> Ian >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Nov 3 17:09:02 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:09:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436A361E.5070606@yahoo.ca> Oops, I used vaseline in my BX-2. Doane Hoag a écrit : >Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it needs a drop of silicon oil >in it, but don't use anything else. Also, it's possible some one else tried >this and put too much oil in it, which will clog up the hole at the end >which is described for my Nak ZX-7 as beeing a 0.2 hole... I think you could >try slidding a thin strand of wire in that hole to unclog it, if that's the >problem. > >Doane > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Kevin McDermott >Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:38 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door > > >I have a BX-1, still in use. There's a damper which controls the rate at >which the cassette loading door opens. Unfortunately mine isn't effective >any more. Is this repairable? > >Kevin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 17:22:17 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:22:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436A18A7.7090307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Back in the 80's I compared the ZX-7 to the Dragon at a high end shop in Texas where I lived. The Dragon is a piece of art and sounds incredible, and the auto reverse... well, it's pretty amazing, but for almost twice the cost of the ZX-7, to me, it was the extra features you got with the Dragon, not the sound quality, unless you had some really out of alignment recordings, done on another machine, or poor quality cassettes. This was a general consensus, with a lot of the sales people and customer friends, not just me. On some cassettes I brought in to test out, the Dragon did sound better though, and I attribute that to it's auto PB head adjustment, where it has a clear advantage. Don't everyone jump on me at once, I'm just a huge fan of the ZX-7 & 9... for the money, I think they were the best deck they made, but auto reverse wasn't something I couldn't live without. It seems like the CR-7 is more popular here, I don't know why there aren't more praises of the ZX-7 & 9. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Alex says: "Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" Ken says: It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what others have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal to my Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the Dragon is so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R running at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. If only I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! Cheers Alex! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 3 17:28:26 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:28:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door In-Reply-To: <436A361E.5070606@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Oh-oh... quick, tell your girlfriend she has the wrong... Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:09 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door Oops, I used vaseline in my BX-2. Doane Hoag a écrit : >Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it needs a drop of silicon oil >in it, but don't use anything else. Also, it's possible some one else tried >this and put too much oil in it, which will clog up the hole at the end >which is described for my Nak ZX-7 as beeing a 0.2 hole... I think you could >try slidding a thin strand of wire in that hole to unclog it, if that's the >problem. > >Doane > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Kevin McDermott >Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:38 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] damper on cassette loading door > > >I have a BX-1, still in use. There's a damper which controls the rate at >which the cassette loading door opens. Unfortunately mine isn't effective >any more. Is this repairable? > >Kevin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 18:03:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:03:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ProGold on Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051103170331.10972.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, Glad Pro-Gold and DeOxit did the job perfectly for you. Now you would are reaping the benefits I have enjoyed by all my Naks and the rest of my system. Bala __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From our.family.mail at comcast.net Thu Nov 3 20:27:39 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (our.family.mail at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:27:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 Message-ID: <110320051927.12921.436A64AB00047BF700003279220075074404070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Thank you for your interest in this topic of IEC1 versus 2. I have to disagree with Marc Stager. I just read a technical service bulletin by Nakamichi on this issue and looked at testing done by High Fidelity magazine in June 1986 as well as by Stereo Review from March 1986 . The magazine articles point out that the Nakamichi CR-7A playback response of BASF IEC2 reference tape sloped slightly upward at high frequency. The Nakamichi technical bulletin explains this in their own testing of a standard tape, and I quote "It can readily be observed that the response is 1dB high at 4000 Hz and 2 dB high at 10Khz. A cassette recorder designed to this "standard" tape would yield dull sounding reproductions of tapes recorded to the correct Philips specifications. Conversely, a tape recorded on such a machine would sound bright when played on a correctly designed cassette deck" Nakamichi actually used a 1000 deck known to have particularly close-to-theoretical playback characteristics and concluded that the standard tape was in fact off. They also indicated that these tapes potentially allowed other tape deck manufacturers using inferior heads to ignore the discrepancy between physical and effective gap widths because the characteristics of the test tape helped cover up lack of loss compensation in the playback EQ amplifier. Bottom line is that this explains why tapes made on Naks sound duller (not brighter) on IEC2 machines and tapes made on IEC2 tapes sound brighter (not duller) on Naks. Regards, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Thu Nov 3 22:08:42 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:08:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] please check your audiotalk subscriptions In-Reply-To: <20051103150819.56260.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051103150819.56260.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436A7C5A.4000201@comcast.net> Bala, do you subscribe to audiotalk? I referred to your mc2500 but had no reply Brien From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 3 23:25:15 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:25:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436A19CD.3070501@sbcglobal.net> References: <436A19CD.3070501@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <436A8E4B.8020303@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says with authority: > > > "Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to high > security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used." Not much authority is required when the browser returns with : "The connection was refused when attempting to contact adfarm.mediaplex.com" You didn't think tinyURL provided the service for free, did you? > Ken replies with tail tucked: > > Oh, sorry about that. I thought it made things easier. > Here is the link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI > -ZX-9-Worlds-Best > -Recorder-EVER- > Pristine_W0Q > QitemZ5824253181QQ > categoryZ64598 > QQr > dZ > 1QQ > cmd > ZViewItem So, someone claims the ZX-9 is Nakamichi's loftiest contribution to mankind... He may be right. OTOH, I wonder what he'd say if he had a Dragon for sale (or a CR-7, or a BX-1)... -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 01:49:11 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:49:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051104004911.26637.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wonderful heart you have Doane. I wish more were like you. Some have made Nakamichi into a money making enterprise. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: OK, Tom, thanks for the info. I just realized it only does it at the ends of the high speed tape winding in FF or RR, NOT when it stops at a 000 memory stop point as I had first thought. The ZX-7 fast winds REALLY fast, it's quite amazing, it actually would be a problem if it didn't have the excellent cue feature with the two slow down speed settings so you can find a selection. I understand the main difference on the ZX-9 is it uses direct drive, that's surprising it would do the same thing, but maybe the reel mechanism is the same on the two? This was just a project I got into, I bought this one on Ebay thinking it was in good shape, then discovered the several problems it had. I don't think anyone ever took the adjustment covers off or ever tried to adjust the azimuth as the knobs were almost frozen and could be hardly turned and I had trouble just getting the covers off, they were almost glued on from sitting for 25 some years with no removal. Same goes for the bottom chassis plate, had to use some vice grips to get some of the screws loose. It took a lot of cleaning and exercising them, but all the controls are like new again. I'm going to put this on Ebay for someone else to enjoy. I've got another one, worked on by Steven Sanks, just a couple of years ago, that I'm going to keep for myself, He too did the orange cap exchange as well as some other mods and tuned it up really nicely, it sounds great and needs no work. I've also got an LX-5 that I'm now going to do the cap magic on and clean up and auction. I'm really not doing this expecting to make much money, it's just fun and maybe I can help keep these beautiful machines out there for others to enjoy. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:21 AM To: 'rob at rhoag.com'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Hi Doane, that's great news to hear on your ZX7. I own a ZX9 and it too makes the chatter noise at the end (or beginning) of the tape during FF or REW, this is a normal noise and it's caused by the rubber on the large idler wheel in your mechanism. If anyone asks why it's making that noise just tell them that this deck has a heavy duty rewind and FF mech :) Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:01 PM To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: [naktalk] Just finished my ZX-7 project..WOW! Just wanted to let everyone know I finished working on my ZX-7 and it sounds incredible. I also wanted to thank everyone for their help in locating caps, etc. I went ahead and did it right, replaced ALL of the orange polypropylene caps, 2 on the Switch PCB, 11 on the Dolby NR PCB, 7 on the main board + a Mylar and 2 mica caps. If any one is interested I can send a list of exactly what was replaced. I used all 5% and better tolerance from Mouser Electronics online. The micas were 2%. I also cleaned all the control pots and switches with Deoxit and then treated them with ProGold, along with the cable connectors. The original problems, after getting the transport working, were: Levels and bias tones would cut out so there was no way to set the Record Head azimuth, or set the levels and bias. Output channels were unequal from recording. All adjustments now work beautifully, there is no static from switches or controls, and the sound is really beautiful. I just tried a recording of a Stereophile CD, Editors Picks. I used a TDK SAX100 limited tape and set up the azimuth, levels and bias then recorded with Dolby C. The CD is identical to the tape out using the source/tape monitor. I was also surprised that even with the Dolby OFF, the noise floor is way down, you have to turn the out put level up quite a bit and then you just hear a very soft hash background electronics noise. Final question: When rewinding, when the tape comes to a stop at the memory stop or at the end, there is a bit of chatter noise. What might be causing that? Thanks, Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 04:30:20 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:30:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: Hi Doane! Rethinking very deep you are right! However he ask less...eBay add "Buy Now"...a near $:200.00 more as I recalled...NOW...depends of some guy want to pay such price???! Of course Dragon was "The TOP" one...however are Naks mad owners that think that the ZX-9 is better or less complicated that my lovely Dragon! Can be...however as I never saw here in Israel any other Nak only Dragons...so I'm NOT a person who can give a serious information. Be well always! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:31:15 -0800 > >Alex: > >I don't think he really wants to sell it, do you? He's asking almost as >much >as it sold for new. >The Dragon is still the tops, but I would rate the ZX-7 a ZX-9 just under >it, maybe with the CR-7, but I still like the ZXs better then the CR-7 >because you have the manual control of the bias and levels with the ZXs... >and they just sound... better, for some reason, at least to me they do. > >Doane > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 04:41:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:41:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Message-ID: WOW...really looks super mint conditions 'EXTERIORLY"...what happen inside (WHERE IS THE ULTIMATE IN IMPORTANCE...?) I'm 100% sure that will get closer to the ZX-9 when the action will end 3 day more! However depends...is an a US import ONLY 117/125 AC volts (Look the mains connector!). Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:01:02 -0800 > >Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over $600 >US! >It looks really nice in the photos. >Doane > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQca >tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 04:48:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:48:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: Bala, 21 years earlier...I already knew that the 1000ZXL sounds "Better""FULLEST"...that the Dragon sound "THINNEST"...BUT...1000ZXL Reliability....that is another crap history!!! Be well Bala! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:08:46 -0800 (PST) > >Awesome, > > but he did conveniently left out the CR7, 700ZXL and >1000ZXL. My 700ZXL which has a crippled computer still >outdoes my CR7 and Dragon but a huge margin. Entirely >different character, totally different sound. With the >two latter decks, you feel like you are listening to a >very good cassette deck. > >CR7 gives a crisp high and low and plenty of clarity. >I feel it has been voiced to match the sound of >compact discs. > >But the ZXLs, they are the mice that roared! They >don't sound anything you would get out out 1 7/8 ips. >It sounds like a full blooded 7 1/2 ips quarter track >open reel deck, nothing less! And they are using the >original complement of components. I wonder how they >would respond with the orange caps changed to >Panasonics, new filter caps, and high-tolerance vishay >resistors on the playback amp. > >Bala > >--- Ron wrote: > > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > Now this is how to sell a Nak! Wow, I feel like > > kicking dirt on my old > > > Dragon after reading this one! :-) > > > > > > *http://tinyurl.com/dzebp > > > > Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to > > high > > security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used. > > > > -- Ron > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 04:54:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:54:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? Message-ID: Hi my dear Walter! You wrote! >My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from >this earth! What will they do with my naks?< Exactly what my wife will do when I also will pass to an a much better life "Undergrounded"...WILL GO TO THE TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. For so...DON'T WORRY BE ALWAYS VERY HAPPY! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: "wdrewes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0200 > >The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! >Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to >bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is >an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot >when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? >Walter > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > >>I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on >>ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, >>have a look here: >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 >> >>Victor >> >> >>--- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >> >>>Hello fellow enthusiasts >>> >>>Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >>>existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >>>can afford a NAK. >>> >>>However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >>>head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >>>which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >>>700ZXE in need of love and care >>> >>>I see very little being said about the BX300 and >>>the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >>>you say was a fair price for these machines IF >>>both were in good condition ....... or not so >>>good condition >>> >>>I dont really want to pay more than a �100 as Im >>>between paid work at present ....... hence the >>>time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >>>onto cd's for the car etc. >>> >>>Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >>>and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >>>amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >>> >>>look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >>> >>>Peace >>> >>>Ian >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 05:03:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:03:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: Hi Ken! You make my day!!! But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the Gold which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better "Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! Ken my best wishes for you always! ALEX! >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > >Alex says: > > >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" > > > >Ken says: > >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what others >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal to my >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the Dragon is >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R running >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. If only >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! > >Cheers Alex! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:19 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:12:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 In-Reply-To: <110320051927.12921.436A64AB00047BF700003279220075074404070E03D2970407030E00D29D9A01@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20051104081219.30352.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So the 1000 is closest to the perfect recorder? our.family.mail at comcast.net wrote: Thank you for your interest in this topic of IEC1 versus 2. I have to disagree with Marc Stager. I just read a technical service bulletin by Nakamichi on this issue and looked at testing done by High Fidelity magazine in June 1986 as well as by Stereo Review from March 1986 . The magazine articles point out that the Nakamichi CR-7A playback response of BASF IEC2 reference tape sloped slightly upward at high frequency. The Nakamichi technical bulletin explains this in their own testing of a standard tape, and I quote "It can readily be observed that the response is 1dB high at 4000 Hz and 2 dB high at 10Khz. A cassette recorder designed to this "standard" tape would yield dull sounding reproductions of tapes recorded to the correct Philips specifications. Conversely, a tape recorded on such a machine would sound bright when played on a correctly designed cassette deck" Nakamichi actually used a 1000 deck known to have particularly close-to-theo! retical playback characteristics and concluded that the standard tape was in fact off. They also indicated that these tapes potentially allowed other tape deck manufacturers using inferior heads to ignore the discrepancy between physical and effective gap widths because the characteristics of the test tape helped cover up lack of loss compensation in the playback EQ amplifier. Bottom line is that this explains why tapes made on Naks sound duller (not brighter) on IEC2 machines and tapes made on IEC2 tapes sound brighter (not duller) on Naks. Regards, John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 09:17:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051104081720.74122.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on the 1000ZXL Valkriye and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Ken! You make my day!!! But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the Gold which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better "Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! Ken my best wishes for you always! ALEX! >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > >Alex says: > > >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" > > > >Ken says: > >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what others >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal to my >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the Dragon is >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R running >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. If only >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! > >Cheers Alex! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 10:29:18 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:29:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? References: Message-ID: Hello ALEX, would you be so kind to ask your wife to send me that beloved Dragon instead of throwing to the trash? :-)) Kind regards to you all, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > Hi my dear Walter! > > You wrote! > >>My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from >>this earth! What will they do with my naks?< > > Exactly what my wife will do when I also will pass to an a much better > life "Undergrounded"...WILL GO TO THE > TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. > > For so...DON'T WORRY BE ALWAYS VERY HAPPY! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "wdrewes" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0200 >> >>The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! >>Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to >>bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is >>an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot >>when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? >>Walter >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >> >> >>>I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on >>>ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, >>>have a look here: >>> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 >>> >>>Victor >>> >>> >>>--- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >>> >>>>Hello fellow enthusiasts >>>> >>>>Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >>>>existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >>>>can afford a NAK. >>>> >>>>However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >>>>head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >>>>which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >>>>700ZXE in need of love and care >>>> >>>>I see very little being said about the BX300 and >>>>the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >>>>you say was a fair price for these machines IF >>>>both were in good condition ....... or not so >>>>good condition >>>> >>>>I dont really want to pay more than a Ł100 as Im >>>>between paid work at present ....... hence the >>>>time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >>>>onto cd's for the car etc. >>>> >>>>Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >>>>and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >>>>amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >>>> >>>>look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >>>> >>>>Peace >>>> >>>>Ian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 10:43:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:43:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] please check your audiotalk subscriptions In-Reply-To: <436A7C5A.4000201@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20051104094334.22332.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Brien, Sorry I don't. What is is about, perhaps I can answer here. Regards Bala Brien Stocker wrote: Bala, do you subscribe to audiotalk? I referred to your mc2500 but had no reply Brien ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 11:48:53 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:48:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? Message-ID: Dear Istvan! I will do...however depends of she good will! AND...that I can't gave you any guarantee or assure! Till that will happen...be well!!!! Regards, ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:29:18 +0100 > >Hello ALEX, >would you be so kind to ask your wife to send me that beloved Dragon >instead of throwing to the trash? >:-)) > >Kind regards to you all, >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:54 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > >>Hi my dear Walter! >> >>You wrote! >> >>>My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from >>>this earth! What will they do with my naks?< >> >>Exactly what my wife will do when I also will pass to an a much better >>life "Undergrounded"...WILL GO TO THE >>TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >> >>For so...DON'T WORRY BE ALWAYS VERY HAPPY! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "wdrewes" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >>>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0200 >>> >>>The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! >>>Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to >>>bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is >>>an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot >>>when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? >>>Walter >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" >>> >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >>> >>> >>>>I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on >>>>ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, >>>>have a look here: >>>> >>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 >>>> >>>>Victor >>>> >>>> >>>>--- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hello fellow enthusiasts >>>>> >>>>>Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >>>>>existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >>>>>can afford a NAK. >>>>> >>>>>However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >>>>>head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >>>>>which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >>>>>700ZXE in need of love and care >>>>> >>>>>I see very little being said about the BX300 and >>>>>the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >>>>>you say was a fair price for these machines IF >>>>>both were in good condition ....... or not so >>>>>good condition >>>>> >>>>>I dont really want to pay more than a �100 as Im >>>>>between paid work at present ....... hence the >>>>>time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >>>>>onto cd's for the car etc. >>>>> >>>>>Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >>>>>and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >>>>>amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >>>>> >>>>>look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >>>>> >>>>>Peace >>>>> >>>>>Ian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 11:53:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:53:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Message-ID: Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" item...during the years now will recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) > >Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on the 1000ZXL Valkriye and >700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Hi Ken! > >You make my day!!! > >But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the Gold >which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better >"Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a >issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! > >Ken my best wishes for you always! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Ken Kirkpatrick > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > > > >Alex says: > > > > > >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller > >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his > >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" > > > > > > > >Ken says: > > > >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what >others > >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal to >my > >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the Dragon >is > >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move > >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R >running > >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. If >only > >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! > > > >Cheers Alex! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 4 14:11:42 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] please check your audiotalk subscriptions In-Reply-To: <20051104094334.22332.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104094334.22332.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436B5E0E.4090204@rcn.com> AudioTalk is a sister email list, specifically opened by Wouter to reduce OT posts here. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Brien, > > Sorry I don't. What is is about, perhaps I can answer here. > > Regards > Bala > > */Brien Stocker /* wrote: > > Bala, do you subscribe to audiotalk? I referred to your mc2500 but had > no reply > > Brien From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Nov 4 15:48:16 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:48:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104094731.01b25f08@psulias.psu.edu> I think THE big problem is that the logic boards (or whatever the technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed anymore. Is that true? At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" item...during the years now will >recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) >> >>Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on the 1000ZXL Valkriye and >>700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. >> >>Bala >> >>Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Ken! >> >>You make my day!!! >> >>But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the Gold >>which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better >>"Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a >>issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! >> >>Ken my best wishes for you always! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 >> > >> >Alex says: >> > >> > >> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller >> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his >> >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" >> > >> > >> > >> >Ken says: >> > >> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what others >> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal to my >> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the Dragon is >> >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move >> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R running >> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. If only >> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! >> > >> >Cheers Alex! >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From rob at rhoag.com Fri Nov 4 16:52:40 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:52:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436A8E4B.8020303@rcn.com> Message-ID: Exactly right! ... ;~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says with authority: > > > "Tiny URL doesn't work when the browser is set to high > security/privacy levels. I recommend it is not used." Not much authority is required when the browser returns with : "The connection was refused when attempting to contact adfarm.mediaplex.com" You didn't think tinyURL provided the service for free, did you? > Ken replies with tail tucked: > > Oh, sorry about that. I thought it made things easier. > Here is the link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI > -ZX-9-Worlds-Best > -Recorder-EVER- > Pristine_W0Q > QitemZ5824253181QQ > categoryZ64598 > QQr > dZ > 1QQ > cmd > ZViewItem So, someone claims the ZX-9 is Nakamichi's loftiest contribution to mankind... He may be right. OTOH, I wonder what he'd say if he had a Dragon for sale (or a CR-7, or a BX-1)... -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Nov 4 17:12:43 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:12:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: It's up over $900 now. I agree with what you said. Most of these Ebay decks are in need of some kind of service, Like the ZX-7 and the LX-5 I bought, they don't point out the problems. I'm sure many of them are just not aware of the problems, but others I think just don't want to jepordize their sale, so in most cases you can count on some repairs, which can be pretty expensive if you take it to a repair shop. You notice this Dragon they say, "I had my technician check the unit and we just cleaned the heads as the unit showed very little signs of use. We tested the unit on both playback and record ant it sounds fantastic." They didn't say that they checked all functions though, there may be things wrong with it that aren't obvious at first. But, I guess that's better then most ads where they say something like, "I turned it on and the lights come on and the reals move and stuff, but I have no way of testing it".. blah, blah.. :~) Yes, it really is nice looking on the outside, wish I had one! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing WOW...really looks super mint conditions 'EXTERIORLY"...what happen inside (WHERE IS THE ULTIMATE IN IMPORTANCE...?) I'm 100% sure that will get closer to the ZX-9 when the action will end 3 day more! However depends...is an a US import ONLY 117/125 AC volts (Look the mains connector!). Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:01:02 -0800 > >Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over $600 >US! >It looks really nice in the photos. >Doane > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQc a >tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 4 17:29:28 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:29:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104094731.01b25f08@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104094731.01b25f08@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <436B8C68.7000105@yahoo.ca> As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no special tasks to do(Just play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily changed by a PIC I think. The only problem would be to find someone that wants to program it. Derrick Beckner a écrit : > I think THE big problem is that the logic boards (or whatever the > technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed anymore. Is that true? > > At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > >> Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" item...during the years now >> will recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! >> >> Cheers, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on the 1000ZXL >>> Valkriye and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> Alex Cozac wrote: >>> Hi Ken! >>> >>> You make my day!!! >>> >>> But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the >>> Gold >>> which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better >>> "Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a >>> issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! >>> >>> Ken my best wishes for you always! >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 >>> > >>> >Alex says: >>> > >>> > >>> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute >>> seller >>> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for >>> him...his >>> >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Ken says: >>> > >>> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what >>> others >>> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am >>> loyal to my >>> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the >>> Dragon is >>> >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a >>> move >>> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R >>> running >>> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. >>> If only >>> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! >>> > >>> >Cheers Alex! >>> > >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >> >> >> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Fri Nov 4 17:32:32 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:32:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The starting price on this ZX-9 is $999 and the "buy now" price is $1239.98... this "buy now" price sounds like it may have been the actual price he paid for it when it was new? Not sure about this though, I remember the ZX-7 was about $1200 new, back in the 80's. Even though the title seems to suggest that, "World's best recorder ever," he actually isn't saying it's better then the Dragon in all ways, he does quote a few magazines like HiFi that state that it sounds better then the Dragon, but like I said, that would not be true if the tape being played is not aligned correctly, and that's were the Dragon has the big advantage and the reason they came out with that feature besides the other neat features. The wow and flutter tests show the ZX-9 is just slightly better then the ZX-7, I'm not sure how it compares to the Dragon. You notice he said that he sent it into Nakamichi a few years ago to have it cleaned and calibrated and, "a few pieces were replaced," etc., but then furthur down he says he can't find the service record.... hmmm. It does look very clean and well taken care of though and it may be in really good shape. I wouldn't try to sell mine for that much unless it was perfect with brand new transport, heads, etc. Just really seems to high.. I think maybe $500-$600 would be more realistic if it's in really good condition. Doane ********************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak Hi Doane! Rethinking very deep you are right! However he ask less...eBay add "Buy Now"...a near $:200.00 more as I recalled...NOW...depends of some guy want to pay such price???! Of course Dragon was "The TOP" one...however are Naks mad owners that think that the ZX-9 is better or less complicated that my lovely Dragon! Can be...however as I never saw here in Israel any other Nak only Dragons...so I'm NOT a person who can give a serious information. Be well always! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:31:15 -0800 > >Alex: > >I don't think he really wants to sell it, do you? He's asking almost as >much >as it sold for new. >The Dragon is still the tops, but I would rate the ZX-7 a ZX-9 just under >it, maybe with the CR-7, but I still like the ZXs better then the CR-7 >because you have the manual control of the bias and levels with the ZXs... >and they just sound... better, for some reason, at least to me they do. > >Doane > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Nov 4 17:38:19 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:38:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Me too.. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sándor István Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:29 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? Hello ALEX, would you be so kind to ask your wife to send me that beloved Dragon instead of throwing to the trash? :-)) Kind regards to you all, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > Hi my dear Walter! > > You wrote! > >>My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from >>this earth! What will they do with my naks?< > > Exactly what my wife will do when I also will pass to an a much better > life "Undergrounded"...WILL GO TO THE > TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. > > For so...DON'T WORRY BE ALWAYS VERY HAPPY! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "wdrewes" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0200 >> >>The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! >>Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to >>bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is >>an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot >>when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? >>Walter >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >> >> >>>I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on >>>ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, >>>have a look here: >>> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 >>> >>>Victor >>> >>> >>>--- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >>> >>>>Hello fellow enthusiasts >>>> >>>>Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >>>>existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >>>>can afford a NAK. >>>> >>>>However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >>>>head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >>>>which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >>>>700ZXE in need of love and care >>>> >>>>I see very little being said about the BX300 and >>>>the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >>>>you say was a fair price for these machines IF >>>>both were in good condition ....... or not so >>>>good condition >>>> >>>>I dont really want to pay more than a Ł100 as Im >>>>between paid work at present ....... hence the >>>>time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >>>>onto cd's for the car etc. >>>> >>>>Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >>>>and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >>>>amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >>>> >>>>look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >>>> >>>>Peace >>>> >>>>Ian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >>> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Nov 4 17:56:21 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:56:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436B8C68.7000105@yahoo.ca> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104094731.01b25f08@psulias.psu.edu> <436B8C68.7000105@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104115545.01b5dd88@psulias.psu.edu> But I think the processor in the ZXLs do all the automatic recording adjustments too. At 11:29 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no special tasks to do(Just >play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily changed by a PIC I >think. The only problem would be to find someone that wants to program it. > >Derrick Beckner a écrit : > >>I think THE big problem is that the logic boards (or whatever the >>technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed anymore. Is that true? >> >>At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" item...during the years now will >>>recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) >>>> >>>>Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on the 1000ZXL Valkriye >>>>and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. >>>> >>>>Bala >>>> >>>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>Hi Ken! >>>> >>>>You make my day!!! >>>> >>>>But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the Gold >>>>which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better >>>>"Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a >>>>issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! >>>> >>>>Ken my best wishes for you always! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >>>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>>> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 >>>> > >>>> >Alex says: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute seller >>>> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for him...his >>>> >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Ken says: >>>> > >>>> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what >>>> others >>>> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am loyal >>>> to my >>>> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the >>>> Dragon is >>>> >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a move >>>> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R >>>> running >>>> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. >>>> If only >>>> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! >>>> > >>>> >Cheers Alex! >>>> > >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>>> ==== >>>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>>> ==== >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>>> ==== >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >>> >>> >>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>Derrick Beckner >>Mapping Specialist >>Map Library Supervisor >>Penn State University >>1 Paterno Library >>University Park, PA 16802 >>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>814-863-5753 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Fri Nov 4 20:11:40 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:11:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? References: <20051102225355.52470.qmail@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002b01c5e062$352fa960$dbd417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <005401c5e065$5dd53620$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <007701c5e173$9728f6a0$0c3dd255@homeduron1300> I've had a quick look at eBay.de, Andy as recommended and although, as you said, it did have a nice selection of Naks, I felt that the potential for confusion was on the high side unless one had more than a passing acquaintance with the indecipherable! I'm afraid that I'm just not man enough to try and deal, even by email, with someone speaking in German. As a Scotsman, trying to communicate in a language which no one else can understand must be everyday faire for you but I think I'll just have to wimp-out and carry on paying 'through the nose' for bits and pieces on eBay.co.uk. Thanks anyway. David (cowardly, but humble sasanak) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy's E-Mail" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > Ian > > I have four Nakamichi Cassette Decks, a CR7, Cassette Deck 1, CR-3E and a > Cassette Deck 2. > > All are in mint condition and were acquired off ebay at what I consider to > be bargain prices: > > CR7A - $335 plus $50 Shipping & $100 Import Tax & Duty - This came from > the > US on ebay.com. > > Cassette Deck 1- 163 Euro plus 18 euro shipping from ebay.de. > > CR-3E - 106 euro plus 33 euros shipping from ebay.de. > > Cassette Deck 2 - £62.53 Plus Postage from ebay.co.uk > > I would highly recommend searching ebay.de where there are loads of > Nakamichi's for sale and of course they are 230-240v. > > Good luck! > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wdrewes" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > >> The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! > Good >> luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to bed >> at >> night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks is an >> achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot >> when > I >> depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? >> Walter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Digital Voice" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >> >> >> >I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on >> > ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, >> > have a look here: >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 >> > >> > Victor >> > >> > >> > --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >> > >> >> Hello fellow enthusiasts >> >> >> >> Ive joined this list as I have to replace my >> >> existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I >> >> can afford a NAK. >> >> >> >> However I can only find one or two interesting 3 >> >> head machines on ebay availabale to me one of >> >> which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up >> >> 700ZXE in need of love and care >> >> >> >> I see very little being said about the BX300 and >> >> the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would >> >> you say was a fair price for these machines IF >> >> both were in good condition ....... or not so >> >> good condition >> >> >> >> I dont really want to pay more than a £100 as Im >> >> between paid work at present ....... hence the >> >> time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe >> >> onto cd's for the car etc. >> >> >> >> Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm >> >> and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim >> >> amps, Isobarik's and early cd player >> >> >> >> look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS >> >> >> >> Peace >> >> >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Fri Nov 4 21:03:43 2005 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:03:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] IEC1 versus IEC2 In-Reply-To: <200511040810.jA488l4f008831@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511040810.jA488l4f008831@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051104145946.02d86320@stager.com> John, A cassette recorded on a Nakamichi should be a little brighter on a properly set-up non-Nak machine. I had another look at the Nakamichi Tech bulletin dated 6/10/87. It says this: ........ " The following general observations can be made about certain characteristics of the MR-1B (IEC2) as compared to the MR-1(IEC1): Playback response, MR1B: Aprox. +4dB at 15kHz using Nakamichi playback response tape DA09002. Flat response using BASF IEC standard PBFR tape. (Or Teac test cassette). Record characteristics -- Distortion aprox. 0.1 to 0.5% higher than normal at 0dB, depending on tape type. Maximum record level (before 3% THD is reached) about 2dB lower than MR-1. " ......... 11/4/2005, you wrote: Thank you for your interest in this topic of IEC1 versus 2. I have to disagree with Marc Stager. I just read a technical service bulletin by Nakamichi on this issue and looked at testing done by High Fidelity magazine in June 1986 as well as by Stereo Review from March 1986 . The magazine articles point out that the Nakamichi CR-7A playback response of BASF IEC2 reference tape sloped slightly upward at high frequency. MS: One more time: "MR1B (IEC2): aprox. +4dB at 15kHz using Nakamichi (IEC1) playback response tape DA09002. (Inversely, IEC 2 played on Nak = - 4dB @ 15 kHz.) Therefore: Nak (IEC1) recording is brighter playing on an IEC2 deck and IEC2 deck recording is rolled off playing on Nak. The magazines' assertion that Nak plays IEC2 tapes with more highs contradicts Nakamichi's own measurements. John: The Nakamichi technical bulletin explains this in their own testing of a standard tape, and I quote "It can readily be observed that the response is 1dB high at 4000 Hz and 2 dB high at 10Khz. MS: What about?: "MR1B: aprox. +4dB at 15kHz using Nakamichi playback response tape DA09002? Both can't be correct. ... Reading on: Nakamichi actually used a 1000 deck known to have particularly close-to-theoretical playback characteristics and concluded that the standard tape was in fact off. They also indicated that these tapes potentially allowed other tape deck manufacturers using inferior heads to ignore the discrepancy between physical and effective gap widths because the characteristics of the test tape helped cover up lack of loss compensation in the playback EQ amplifier. ... so a flawed standard (IEC2) test tape, with the highs ramped up, played at +2 dB at 10K on a Nak and gave a false reading on Non-Naks? OK, But how is this relevant? Using an inaccurate test tape will only obfuscate the results. Nakamichi's original MR-1B statement stands. John: Bottom line is that this explains why tapes made on Naks sound duller (not brighter) on IEC2 machines and tapes made on IEC2 tapes sound brighter (not duller) on Naks. Regards, John MS: Not according to the definitive spec comparing the output of a Nakamichi MR1B, an IEC2 machine, to a standard MR-1. I wasn't stating an opinion. I was repeating Nak's own spec. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ tel: 1212-595-4065 From britri at comcast.net Fri Nov 4 21:30:25 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:30:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] please check your audiotalk subscriptions In-Reply-To: <20051104094334.22332.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104094334.22332.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436BC4E1.9010702@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 00:46:26 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:46:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436B8C68.7000105@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20051104234626.37925.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Antoine, The uP in the ZXLs do more then just basic logic funtions. If you go to K J Bleues website, they is some great literature on the ZXL machines. They would definitely do a better job in explaning these computerized functions. Bala --- Antoine Deschênes wrote: > As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no > special tasks to do(Just > play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily > changed by a PIC I > think. The only problem would be to find someone > that wants to program it. > > Derrick Beckner a écrit : > > > I think THE big problem is that the logic boards > (or whatever the > > technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed > anymore. Is that true? > > > > At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > > > >> Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" > item...during the years now > >> will recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> ALEX! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a > Nak > >>> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) > >>> > >>> Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on > the 1000ZXL > >>> Valkriye and 700ZXL Phoenix is the > computer/logic. > >>> > >>> Bala > >>> > >>> Alex Cozac wrote: > >>> Hi Ken! > >>> > >>> You make my day!!! > >>> > >>> But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal > Black one;...NOT the > >>> Gold > >>> which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), > sound positively better > >>> "Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago > reliability was NOT a > >>> issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER > the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! > >>> > >>> Ken my best wishes for you always! > >>> > >>> ALEX! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick > >>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>> >To: naktalk at naks.com > >>> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > >>> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > >>> > > >>> >Alex says: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really > "Awesome"...how this cute > >>> seller > >>> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a > Dragon...so for > >>> him...his > >>> >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >Ken says: > >>> > > >>> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have > seen! After reading what > >>> others > >>> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to > hear one! But I am > >>> loyal to my > >>> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording > convenience, but the > >>> Dragon is > >>> >so close to the source I would think the other > best Naks are just a > >>> move > >>> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon > rivals my Teac X2000R > >>> running > >>> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is > good enough for me. > >>> If only > >>> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat > machine! > >>> > > >>> >Cheers Alex! > >>> > > >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> >Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------- > >>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites > in one click. > >> > >> > >> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > Mapping Specialist > > Map Library Supervisor > > Penn State University > > 1 Paterno Library > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 05:49:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:49:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Message-ID: Hi Doane! If...only IF....he lives close of you... you can ask him that you want to see & CHECK by yourself the deck!? So...if he accept, could be that is in "Working" conditons, yo onlu need to came with a 8 ohms headphones best a Koss one!; and your best recorded tape..so you will able to check IF...the NAAC works well or not & how sound trough your headphones...BUT...before you visit him "LISTEN"..te cassette that you want to take with you TROUGH your deck at home to be familiar with the sound...on an a "Perfectly" working Dragon...MUST sound better, or at least similarly that your home deck! IF...he "DO NOT" accept it's something NOT WELL inside the "Pristine EXTERIORLY case" Dragon!!! Inform us if you do it! Be well always Doane! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:12:43 -0800 > > >Alex: > >It's up over $900 now. I agree with what you said. Most of these Ebay decks >are in need of some kind of service, Like the ZX-7 and the LX-5 I bought, >they don't point out the problems. I'm sure many of them are just not aware >of the problems, but others I think just don't want to jepordize their >sale, >so in most cases you can count on some repairs, which can be pretty >expensive if you take it to a repair shop. You notice this Dragon they say, >"I had my technician check the unit and we just cleaned the heads as the >unit showed very little signs of use. We tested the unit on both playback >and record ant it sounds fantastic." They didn't say that they checked all >functions though, there may be things wrong with it that aren't obvious at >first. But, I guess that's better then most ads where they say something >like, "I turned it on and the lights come on and the reals move and stuff, >but I have no way of testing it".. blah, blah.. :~) > >Yes, it really is nice looking on the outside, wish I had one! > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > > >WOW...really looks super mint conditions 'EXTERIORLY"...what happen inside >(WHERE IS THE ULTIMATE IN IMPORTANCE...?) > >I'm 100% sure that will get closer to the ZX-9 when the action will end 3 >day more! However depends...is an a US import ONLY 117/125 AC volts (Look >the mains connector!). > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > >Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:01:02 -0800 > > > >Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over $600 > >US! > >It looks really nice in the photos. > >Doane > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQc >a > >tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 5 14:45:37 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 08:45:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 2 service manual, anyone? In-Reply-To: <000c01c3e374$0dab7dc0$16773242@CopyTech> References: <000c01c3e374$0dab7dc0$16773242@CopyTech> Message-ID: <436CB781.7080304@rcn.com> Folks, I finally have my hands on the RE-2 receiver. I have been looking for one for a long time. This copy is chintzy, but mostly, readable. Well, imagine my surprise when I see, right on the first page, the following: The base model of the RE-2 is Receiver 2. In this Service Manual, identical sections/items are omitted. So, please refer to the Service Manual of Receiver 2. I will leave it to readers, as a home exercise, to come up with reasons... Why Nakamichi would split a single manual into two physical ones? Meanwhile: does anyone have access to the Receiver 2 service manual? TIA, -- Ron From rob at rhoag.com Sat Nov 5 18:06:08 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:06:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No thanks, Alex, I'm more then happy with my ZX-7 and I don't have $900+ in change laying around that can't be used for something much better. I only said I "wish" I had one, not that I want to buy one. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Hi Doane! If...only IF....he lives close of you... you can ask him that you want to see & CHECK by yourself the deck!? So...if he accept, could be that is in "Working" conditons, yo onlu need to came with a 8 ohms headphones best a Koss one!; and your best recorded tape..so you will able to check IF...the NAAC works well or not & how sound trough your headphones...BUT...before you visit him "LISTEN"..te cassette that you want to take with you TROUGH your deck at home to be familiar with the sound...on an a "Perfectly" working Dragon...MUST sound better, or at least similarly that your home deck! IF...he "DO NOT" accept it's something NOT WELL inside the "Pristine EXTERIORLY case" Dragon!!! Inform us if you do it! Be well always Doane! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:12:43 -0800 > > >Alex: > >It's up over $900 now. I agree with what you said. Most of these Ebay decks >are in need of some kind of service, Like the ZX-7 and the LX-5 I bought, >they don't point out the problems. I'm sure many of them are just not aware >of the problems, but others I think just don't want to jepordize their >sale, >so in most cases you can count on some repairs, which can be pretty >expensive if you take it to a repair shop. You notice this Dragon they say, >"I had my technician check the unit and we just cleaned the heads as the >unit showed very little signs of use. We tested the unit on both playback >and record ant it sounds fantastic." They didn't say that they checked all >functions though, there may be things wrong with it that aren't obvious at >first. But, I guess that's better then most ads where they say something >like, "I turned it on and the lights come on and the reals move and stuff, >but I have no way of testing it".. blah, blah.. :~) > >Yes, it really is nice looking on the outside, wish I had one! > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > > >WOW...really looks super mint conditions 'EXTERIORLY"...what happen inside >(WHERE IS THE ULTIMATE IN IMPORTANCE...?) > >I'm 100% sure that will get closer to the ZX-9 when the action will end 3 >day more! However depends...is an a US import ONLY 117/125 AC volts (Look >the mains connector!). > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > >Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:01:02 -0800 > > > >Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over $600 > >US! > >It looks really nice in the photos. > >Doane > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQc >a > >tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 5 18:15:58 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:15:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436B8C68.7000105@yahoo.ca> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104094731.01b25f08@psulias.psu.edu> <436B8C68.7000105@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <436CE8CE.6050503@rcn.com> Nothing is impossible for the guy that doesn't have to do it. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no special tasks to do(Just > play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily changed by a PIC I > think. The only problem would be to find someone that wants to program it. > > Derrick Beckner a écrit : > >> I think THE big problem is that the logic boards (or whatever the >> technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed anymore. Is that true? >> >> At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >> >>> Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" item...during the years now >>> will recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>>> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) >>>> >>>> Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on the 1000ZXL >>>> Valkriye and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. >>>> >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> Alex Cozac wrote: >>>> Hi Ken! >>>> >>>> You make my day!!! >>>> >>>> But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal Black one;...NOT the >>>> Gold >>>> which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), sound positively better >>>> "Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago reliability was NOT a >>>> issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! >>>> >>>> Ken my best wishes for you always! >>>> >>>> ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >>>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>>> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 >>>> > >>>> >Alex says: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really "Awesome"...how this cute >>>> seller >>>> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a Dragon...so for >>>> him...his >>>> >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Ken says: >>>> > >>>> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have seen! After reading what >>>> others >>>> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to hear one! But I am >>>> loyal to my >>>> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording convenience, but the >>>> Dragon is >>>> >so close to the source I would think the other best Naks are just a >>>> move >>>> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon rivals my Teac X2000R >>>> running >>>> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is good enough for me. >>>> If only >>>> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat machine! >>>> > >>>> >Cheers Alex! >>>> > >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> >Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> Derrick Beckner >> Mapping Specialist >> Map Library Supervisor >> Penn State University >> 1 Paterno Library >> University Park, PA 16802 >> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >> http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >> 814-863-5753 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 18:44:12 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:44:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] please check your audiotalk subscriptions In-Reply-To: <436BC4E1.9010702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20051105174412.97845.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Brien, I have subscribed. We will talk more about these wonderful equipment there then! Thanks Wouter Bala --- Brien Stocker wrote: --------------------------------- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Brien, Sorry I don't. What is is about, perhaps I can answerhere. Regards Bala Brien Stocker wrote: Bala,do you subscribe to audiotalk? I referred to your mc2500 but had no reply Brien ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo!FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Bala, I have a mc2600 and I have been unable to dialog much with big macowners. However, in the spirit of Wouter's recent suggestion and the hope froma few of us that audiotalk be used for non nak related audiodiscussion, I hope that you go to the naks website and sign up.http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/audiotalk It will take 1 minutebut bring you gobs of pleasure. haveaniceweekend, Brien > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 18:51:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:51:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051104115545.01b5dd88@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20051105175124.20048.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am glad that at last some guys here are beginning to appreciate the ZXL decks. Also the ZX decks are not the light at the end of the tunnel as some pundits pointed out earlier this year. Earlier this year, I had proposed to engineer a new board for the 1000ZXL. The project was put on hold as I found a new job and my partner got busy with other projects. Currently, with the topic now hot in the air, I would like to announce that a new board for the 1000ZXL has already been in the works. Along with the recent interest in manufacturing alignment tapes, and perhaps gauges, I would be possibly coming out with more drop in replacement boards for Nak decks. However, rather then offer them (the baords) for sale myself, I would prefer to consolidate all these services under one person like Kermit. Bala 79Labs --- Derrick Beckner wrote: > But I think the processor in the ZXLs do all the > automatic recording > adjustments too. > > At 11:29 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > >As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no > special tasks to do(Just > >play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily > changed by a PIC I > >think. The only problem would be to find someone > that wants to program it. > > > >Derrick Beckner a écrit : > > > >>I think THE big problem is that the logic boards > (or whatever the > >>technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed > anymore. Is that true? > >> > >>At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > >> > >>>Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" > item...during the years now will > >>>recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! > >>> > >>>Cheers, > >>> > >>>ALEX! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a > Nak > >>>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) > >>>> > >>>>Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on > the 1000ZXL Valkriye > >>>>and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. > >>>> > >>>>Bala > >>>> > >>>>Alex Cozac wrote: > >>>>Hi Ken! > >>>> > >>>>You make my day!!! > >>>> > >>>>But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal > Black one;...NOT the Gold > >>>>which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), > sound positively better > >>>>"Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago > reliability was NOT a > >>>>issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER > the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! > >>>> > >>>>Ken my best wishes for you always! > >>>> > >>>>ALEX! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick > >>>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> >To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > >>>> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > >>>> > > >>>> >Alex says: > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really > "Awesome"...how this cute seller > >>>> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a > Dragon...so for him...his > >>>> >deck is "Better"...that our > Dragon....Nicer!!!" > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >Ken says: > >>>> > > >>>> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have > seen! After reading what > >>>> others > >>>> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to > hear one! But I am loyal > >>>> to my > >>>> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording > convenience, but the > >>>> Dragon is > >>>> >so close to the source I would think the other > best Naks are just a move > >>>> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon > rivals my Teac X2000R > >>>> running > >>>> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon > is good enough for me. > >>>> If only > >>>> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat > machine! > >>>> > > >>>> >Cheers Alex! > >>>> > > >>>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > >>>> ==== > >>>> > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > >>>> ==== > >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > >>>> ==== > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------- > >>>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel > sites in one click. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>>>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>Derrick Beckner > >>Mapping Specialist > >>Map Library Supervisor > >>Penn State University > >>1 Paterno Library > >>University Park, PA 16802 > >>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > >>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > >>814-863-5753 > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 21:09:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:09:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok...Doane...till today two options!...Depends on my wife...! of course....!!!! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:38:19 -0800 > >Me too.. :~) > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >S�ndor Istv�n >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:29 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > >Hello ALEX, >would you be so kind to ask your wife to send me that beloved Dragon >instead >of throwing to the trash? >:-)) > >Kind regards to you all, >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:54 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > > > Hi my dear Walter! > > > > You wrote! > > > >>My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot when I depart from > >>this earth! What will they do with my naks?< > > > > Exactly what my wife will do when I also will pass to an a much better > > life "Undergrounded"...WILL GO TO THE > > >TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. > > > > For so...DON'T WORRY BE ALWAYS VERY HAPPY! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "wdrewes" > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > >>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0200 > >> > >>The prices for your Nak stuff is very low,even for the American market! > >>Good luck---I think I often go off the rocker when I put my many NAKS to > >>bed at night. That you can remain sane with such a collection of decks >is > >>an achievement!!! My biggest worry is succession of ownership of my lot > >>when I depart from this earth! What will they do with my naks? > >>Walter > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Voice" > >> > >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >>Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:53 AM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > >> > >> > >>>I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on > >>>ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, > >>>have a look here: > >>> > >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 > >>> > >>>Victor > >>> > >>> > >>>--- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >>> > >>>>Hello fellow enthusiasts > >>>> > >>>>Ive joined this list as I have to replace my > >>>>existing cassette recorder and maybe at last I > >>>>can afford a NAK. > >>>> > >>>>However I can only find one or two interesting 3 > >>>>head machines on ebay availabale to me one of > >>>>which is a BX300E and the other a bashed up > >>>>700ZXE in need of love and care > >>>> > >>>>I see very little being said about the BX300 and > >>>>the 700 may be 2 far gone ....... but what would > >>>>you say was a fair price for these machines IF > >>>>both were in good condition ....... or not so > >>>>good condition > >>>> > >>>>I dont really want to pay more than a �100 as Im > >>>>between paid work at present ....... hence the > >>>>time to listen to my old tapes and transcribe > >>>>onto cd's for the car etc. > >>>> > >>>>Apart from that its great to find your enthusiasm > >>>>and passion. My other kit is flat earth Naim > >>>>amps, Isobarik's and early cd player > >>>> > >>>>look forward to helpful advice and learning more about the NAKS > >>>> > >>>>Peace > >>>> > >>>>Ian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== >= > >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== >= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>Maintain your account here: > >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== >= > >>>> > >>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== >= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== >= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== >= > >>> > >> > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 21:14:18 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:14:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing Message-ID: Thanks Doane; very much for your clarification! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing >Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:06:08 -0800 > >No thanks, Alex, I'm more then happy with my ZX-7 and I don't have $900+ in >change laying around that can't be used for something much better. I only >said I "wish" I had one, not that I want to buy one. :~) > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:50 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > > >Hi Doane! > >If...only IF....he lives close of you... you can ask him that you want to >see & CHECK by yourself the deck!? >So...if he accept, could be that is in "Working" conditons, yo onlu need to >came with a 8 ohms headphones best a Koss one!; and your best recorded >tape..so you will able to check IF...the NAAC works well or not & how sound >trough your headphones...BUT...before you visit him "LISTEN"..te cassette >that you want to take with you TROUGH your deck at home to be familiar with >the sound...on an a "Perfectly" working Dragon...MUST sound better, or at >least similarly that your home deck! > >IF...he "DO NOT" accept it's something NOT WELL inside the "Pristine >EXTERIORLY case" Dragon!!! > >Inform us if you do it! > >Be well always Doane! > >ALEX! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:12:43 -0800 > > > > > >Alex: > > > >It's up over $900 now. I agree with what you said. Most of these Ebay >decks > >are in need of some kind of service, Like the ZX-7 and the LX-5 I bought, > >they don't point out the problems. I'm sure many of them are just not >aware > >of the problems, but others I think just don't want to jepordize their > >sale, > >so in most cases you can count on some repairs, which can be pretty > >expensive if you take it to a repair shop. You notice this Dragon they >say, > >"I had my technician check the unit and we just cleaned the heads as the > >unit showed very little signs of use. We tested the unit on both playback > >and record ant it sounds fantastic." They didn't say that they checked >all > >functions though, there may be things wrong with it that aren't obvious >at > >first. But, I guess that's better then most ads where they say something > >like, "I turned it on and the lights come on and the reals move and >stuff, > >but I have no way of testing it".. blah, blah.. :~) > > > >Yes, it really is nice looking on the outside, wish I had one! > > > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:42 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > > > > > >WOW...really looks super mint conditions 'EXTERIORLY"...what happen >inside > >(WHERE IS THE ULTIMATE IN IMPORTANCE...?) > > > >I'm 100% sure that will get closer to the ZX-9 when the action will end 3 > >day more! However depends...is an a US import ONLY 117/125 AC volts (Look > >the mains connector!). > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > > >Subject: [naktalk] Dragons bombing > > >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:01:02 -0800 > > > > > >Here's one on Ebay with 4 days left, 13 bids, and it's already over >$600 > > >US! > > >It looks really nice in the photos. > > >Doane > > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-Mint-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5824065142QQc > >a > > >tegoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From extendtech at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 22:26:55 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:26:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <20051104234626.37925.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala... What is the K J Bleues website you refer to? > > The uP in the ZXLs do more then just basic logic >funtions. If you go to K J Bleues website, they is >some great literature on the ZXL machines. They would >definitely do a better job in explaning these >computerized functions. > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 5 23:32:45 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:32:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <20051105175124.20048.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051105175124.20048.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436D330D.2040505@rcn.com> Bala, Due to the popularity of the CR-7, you may wish to consider a drop-in replacement for the CR-7 processor, for which no replacements are available. While at it, there are a couple of enhancements that CR-7 owners will appreciate. For example, supporting C110 or C120 for the time counter, instead of the C46 that no one is using nowadays; storing additional items in the Non-Volatile memory, etc. This could be a fun project, though probably not lucrative. I can see a Flash PIC sitting on tiny PCB with pins to make it a drop-in replacement for the current processor. Cost of parts will be minimal, though the development effort, specially, the F/W, can be substantial. I recently completed a small PIC project with 1024 program bytes that took my programmer over 3 weeks to do. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I am glad that at last some guys here are beginning to > appreciate the ZXL decks. Also the ZX decks are not > the light at the end of the tunnel as some pundits > pointed out earlier this year. Earlier this year, I > had proposed to engineer a new board for the 1000ZXL. > The project was put on hold as I found a new job and > my partner got busy with other projects. Currently, > with the topic now hot in the air, I would like to > announce that a new board for the 1000ZXL has already > been in the works. > > Along with the recent interest in manufacturing > alignment tapes, and perhaps gauges, I would be > possibly coming out with more drop in replacement > boards for Nak decks. However, rather then offer them > (the baords) for sale myself, I would prefer to > consolidate all these services under one person like > Kermit. > > Bala > 79Labs > > --- Derrick Beckner wrote: > > >>But I think the processor in the ZXLs do all the >>automatic recording >>adjustments too. >> >>At 11:29 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >> >>>As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no >> >>special tasks to do(Just >> >>>play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily >> >>changed by a PIC I >> >>>think. The only problem would be to find someone >> >>that wants to program it. >> >>>Derrick Beckner a écrit : >>> >>> >>>>I think THE big problem is that the logic boards >> >>(or whatever the >> >>>>technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed >> >>anymore. Is that true? >> >>>>At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" >> >>item...during the years now will >> >>>>>recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>> >>>>>ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a >> >>Nak >> >>>>>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) >>>>>> >>>>>>Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on >> >>the 1000ZXL Valkriye >> >>>>>>and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. >>>>>> >>>>>>Bala >>>>>> >>>>>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>>>Hi Ken! >>>>>> >>>>>>You make my day!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal >> >>Black one;...NOT the Gold >> >>>>>>which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), >> >>sound positively better >> >>>>>>"Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago >> >>reliability was NOT a >> >>>>>>issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER >> >>the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! >> >>>>>>Ken my best wishes for you always! >>>>>> >>>>>>ALEX! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: Ken Kirkpatrick >>>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak >>>>>>>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Alex says: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Amazing I read twice...and It's really >> >>"Awesome"...how this cute seller >> >>>>>>>try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a >> >>Dragon...so for him...his >> >>>>>>>deck is "Better"...that our >> >>Dragon....Nicer!!!" >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ken says: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have >> >>seen! After reading what >> >>>>>>others >>>>>> >>>>>>>have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to >> >>hear one! But I am loyal >> >>>>>>to my >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording >> >>convenience, but the >> >>>>>>Dragon is >>>>>> >>>>>>>so close to the source I would think the other >> >>best Naks are just a move >> >>>>>>>sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon >> >>rivals my Teac X2000R >> >>>>>>running >>>>>> >>>>>>>at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon >> >>is good enough for me. >> >>>>>>If only >>>>>> >>>>>>>I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat >> >>machine! >> >>>>>>>Cheers Alex! >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> >> >>>>>>==== >>>>>> >>>>>>>Register your Nak today! >> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> >> >>>>>>==== >>>>>> >>>>>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>Maintain your account here: >> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> >> >>>>>>==== >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>>Register your Nak today! >> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: >> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--------------------------------- >>>>>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel >> >>sites in one click. >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>> Register your Nak today! >> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com >> >>mailinglist >> >>>>>>Maintain your account here: >> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>> Register your Nak today! >> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com >> >>mailinglist >> >>>>>Maintain your account here: >> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>Derrick Beckner >>>>Mapping Specialist >>>>Map Library Supervisor >>>>Penn State University >>>>1 Paterno Library >>>>University Park, PA 16802 >>>>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>>>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>>>814-863-5753 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 6 00:12:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:12:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? In-Reply-To: <007701c5e173$9728f6a0$0c3dd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <000001c5e25e$72f83700$b3bf87d9@oemcomputer> I'm in a similar position, not speaking German, but I've always found I got by well enough dealing with German sellers, many of whom seem to speak English anyway! Not so with the French sellers ... I'm sure it's just coincidence, and but both of my experiences of dealing with French sellers have been difficult or disappointing. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: 04 November 2005 19:12 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie Southern Scotland and Naks on ebay? > > > I've had a quick look at eBay.de, Andy as recommended and > although, as you > said, it did have a nice selection of Naks, I felt that the potential for > confusion was on the high side unless one had more than a passing > acquaintance with the indecipherable! > > I'm afraid that I'm just not man enough to try and deal, even by > email, with > someone speaking in German. > As a Scotsman, trying to communicate in a language which no one else can > understand must be everyday faire for you but I think I'll just have to > wimp-out and carry on paying 'through the nose' for bits and pieces on > eBay.co.uk. > > Thanks anyway. > > David (cowardly, but humble sasanak) > > > From ktl at bornet.net Sun Nov 6 02:36:57 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:36:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <20051104234626.37925.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, if someone could tell me what functions is needed, and all the other stuff that the uP does, then it wouldn't be any problem to do a program. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:46 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > > > Hi Antoine, > > The uP in the ZXLs do more then just basic logic > funtions. If you go to K J Bleues website, they is some great > literature on the ZXL machines. They would definitely do a > better job in explaning these computerized functions. > > Bala > > --- Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no > > special tasks to do(Just > > play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be easily > > changed by a PIC I > > think. The only problem would be to find someone > > that wants to program it. > > > > Derrick Beckner a écrit : > > > > > I think THE big problem is that the logic boards > > (or whatever the > > > technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed > > anymore. Is that true? > > > > > > At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > > > > > >> Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" > > item...during the years now > > >> will recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> ALEX! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a > > Nak > > >>> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) > > >>> > > >>> Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear on > > the 1000ZXL > > >>> Valkriye and 700ZXL Phoenix is the > > computer/logic. > > >>> > > >>> Bala > > >>> > > >>> Alex Cozac wrote: > > >>> Hi Ken! > > >>> > > >>> You make my day!!! > > >>> > > >>> But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal > > Black one;...NOT the > > >>> Gold > > >>> which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), > > sound positively better > > >>> "Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years ago > > reliability was NOT a > > >>> issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER > > the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! > > >>> > > >>> Ken my best wishes for you always! > > >>> > > >>> ALEX! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >From: Ken Kirkpatrick > > >>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>> >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>> >Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak > > >>> >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > > >>> > > > >>> >Alex says: > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >"Amazing I read twice...and It's really > > "Awesome"...how this cute > > >>> seller > > >>> >try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a > > Dragon...so for > > >>> him...his > > >>> >deck is "Better"...that our Dragon....Nicer!!!" > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >Ken says: > > >>> > > > >>> >It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have > > seen! After reading what > > >>> others > > >>> >have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to > > hear one! But I am > > >>> loyal to my > > >>> >Dragon. I have the RX 505 also for recording > > convenience, but the > > >>> Dragon is > > >>> >so close to the source I would think the other > > best Naks are just a > > >>> move > > >>> >sideways not up. To my ears anyway. My Dragon > > rivals my Teac X2000R > > >>> running > > >>> >at 7.5 ips with DBX Pro. So my little Dragon is > > good enough for me. > > >>> If only > > >>> >I could find a use for my Fostex D 5 dat > > machine! > > >>> > > > >>> >Cheers Alex! > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----====== > >=== > > > > >>> > > >>> > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >>> > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----====== > >=== > > > > >>> > > >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>> >Maintain your account here: > > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>> > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----====== > >=== > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >>> > > >>> Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >>> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >>> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>> Maintain your account here: > > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --------------------------------- > > >>> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites > > in one click. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >>> > > >>> Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >>> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >>> > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >>> Maintain your account here: > > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >> > > >> Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >> > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > > Mapping Specialist > > > Map Library Supervisor > > > Penn State University > > > 1 Paterno Library > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 6 03:40:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:40:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a Nak In-Reply-To: <436D330D.2040505@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051106024014.4487.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, That isn;'t a problem at all. I would be concentrating on the ZXL, then ZX, then CR series of decks in the order because the CR seems to be pretty stable in its logic department. The ZXL as you can see, has the worst track record. Do contact me offline for more details and yes we can embark on projects together. Regards Bala --- Ron wrote: > > Bala, > > Due to the popularity of the CR-7, you may wish to > consider a drop-in replacement for the CR-7 > processor, > for which no replacements are available. While at > it, > there are a couple of enhancements that CR-7 owners > will appreciate. For example, supporting C110 or > C120 > for the time counter, instead of the C46 that no one > is using nowadays; storing additional items in the > Non-Volatile memory, etc. > > This could be a fun project, though probably not > lucrative. I can see a Flash PIC sitting on tiny PCB > with pins to make it a drop-in replacement for the > current processor. Cost of parts will be minimal, > though the development effort, specially, the F/W, > can be substantial. I recently completed a small > PIC project with 1024 program bytes that took my > programmer over 3 weeks to do. > > -- Ron > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I am glad that at last some guys here are > beginning to > > appreciate the ZXL decks. Also the ZX decks are > not > > the light at the end of the tunnel as some pundits > > pointed out earlier this year. Earlier this year, > I > > had proposed to engineer a new board for the > 1000ZXL. > > The project was put on hold as I found a new job > and > > my partner got busy with other projects. > Currently, > > with the topic now hot in the air, I would like to > > announce that a new board for the 1000ZXL has > already > > been in the works. > > > > Along with the recent interest in manufacturing > > alignment tapes, and perhaps gauges, I would be > > possibly coming out with more drop in replacement > > boards for Nak decks. However, rather then offer > them > > (the baords) for sale myself, I would prefer to > > consolidate all these services under one person > like > > Kermit. > > > > Bala > > 79Labs > > > > --- Derrick Beckner > wrote: > > > > > >>But I think the processor in the ZXLs do all the > >>automatic recording > >>adjustments too. > >> > >>At 11:29 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > >> > >>>As long as the µprocessor in the machine has no > >> > >>special tasks to do(Just > >> > >>>play-stop-ff-rew like the BX-2), it could be > easily > >> > >>changed by a PIC I > >> > >>>think. The only problem would be to find someone > >> > >>that wants to program it. > >> > >>>Derrick Beckner a écrit : > >>> > >>> > >>>>I think THE big problem is that the logic boards > >> > >>(or whatever the > >> > >>>>technical name is) cannot be replaced or fixed > >> > >>anymore. Is that true? > >> > >>>>At 05:53 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Yes Bala...the complex "Computer/Logic" > >> > >>item...during the years now will > >> > >>>>>recognized that is "NOT reliable at all!! > >>>>> > >>>>>Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>>ALEX! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] check out this ad for a > >> > >>Nak > >> > >>>>>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Looks like the major and perhaps only bugbear > on > >> > >>the 1000ZXL Valkriye > >> > >>>>>>and 700ZXL Phoenix is the computer/logic. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Bala > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Alex Cozac wrote: > >>>>>>Hi Ken! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>You make my day!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>But...as I wrote earlier...the 1000ZXL (Normal > >> > >>Black one;...NOT the Gold > >> > >>>>>>which I never saw or hear one here in Israel), > >> > >>sound positively better > >> > >>>>>>"Fullest" that our lovely Dragon...21 years > ago > >> > >>reliability was NOT a > >> > >>>>>>issue...I check both side by side...TOP WINNER > >> > >>the 1000ZXL...PERIOD!!! > >> > >>>>>>Ken my best wishes for you always! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>ALEX! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>From: Ken Kirkpatrick > >>>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] check out this ad for a > Nak > >>>>>>>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:03:19 -0600 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Alex says: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>"Amazing I read twice...and It's really > >> > >>"Awesome"...how this cute seller > >> > >>>>>>>try to sell his "Pristine" deck! I also own a > >> > >>Dragon...so for him...his > >> > >>>>>>>deck is "Better"...that our > >> > >>Dragon....Nicer!!!" > >> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Ken says: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>It is one of the best ads for a Nak I have > >> > >>seen! After reading what > >> > >>>>>>others > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>have to say about the ZX-9, I would love to > >> > >>hear one! But I am loyal > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From our.family.mail at comcast.net Sun Nov 6 08:29:19 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (John and Leyla) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:29:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Selling my CR-5A and RM-200 remote Message-ID: <000001c5e2a3$d96d6920$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> I have a CR-5A in pristine condition without any scuff marks, dings, or scratches. It has the gear upgrade and the original owner's manual. It sits alongside my CR-7A in a dust-free wood cabinet. I recently cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. I also have the RM-200 wired remote in its original box and warranty card; I used it only a few days. I had previously posted them as separate items, but would like to sell both for $475 or best offer. I have an offer for $375 and will need to sell within 14 days. Please contact me at havemailhere at comcast.net if you are interested. Thanks. John From sambarr at netzero.net Sun Nov 6 13:29:28 2005 From: sambarr at netzero.net (sambarr at netzero.net) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:29:28 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Selling my CR-5A and RM-200 remote Message-ID: <20051106.042928.4348.16476@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 7 00:32:43 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:32:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Recording R-2-R - This make your mouth water, Kermit & Bala? In-Reply-To: <436D330D.2040505@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005901c5e32a$62b83c60$19ab87d9@oemcomputer> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5827445375&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1 From jberger at well.com Mon Nov 7 00:25:44 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:25:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl Message-ID: I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and dubbing. Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 and 16 years old). Fare thee well, Carl. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Nov 7 02:17:38 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:17:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Recording R-2-R - This make your mouth water, Kermit & Bala? In-Reply-To: <005901c5e32a$62b83c60$19ab87d9@oemcomputer> References: <005901c5e32a$62b83c60$19ab87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <436EAB32.9080903@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Tanya Nelson wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5827445375&ssPageName=ADM > E:B:SS:US:1 I have an Ampex 602, the improved version of this deck. Both are wonderful! Now find an Ampex MR70, MM1100 or a Scully 280, 280B or r100 and you'll really know the full majesty of what analog can do! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 7 02:21:33 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:21:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Is this normal? In-Reply-To: <005901c5e32a$62b83c60$19ab87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051107012133.43270.qmail@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A couple of months ago, I was playing a tape on my never demagnetized 22 years old Toshiba tape deck, and I powered off the machine without pressing stop. The heads stayed on the tape for 3 days on the same position. As you might guess, the sound on that part was not right. It was +/- erased (Pitch went down and up). Now, about 6 months later, I play that tape, and the "dead part" mysteriouly sounds right. Can someone explain this? Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 7 09:24:48 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:24:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Recording R-2-R - This make your mouth water, Kermit & Bala? In-Reply-To: <436EAB32.9080903@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051107082449.66061.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Without op-amps, high-resolution sampling and other gimmickery in the digital domain. :) 'The Colour of Good Sound is Brown' KG Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Gra' Tanya Nelson wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5827445375&ssPageName=ADM > E:B:SS:US:1 I have an Ampex 602, the improved version of this deck. Both are wonderful! Now find an Ampex MR70, MM1100 or a Scully 280, 280B or r100 and you'll really know the full majesty of what analog can do! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Nov 7 09:25:31 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:25:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl Message-ID: I'm very sorry to hear this. I clearly recall his contributions. This is a tragic loss for his family and a sad loss for our community. Cheers - Marc >>> jberger at well.com 11/7/2005 1:25:44 AM >>> I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and dubbing. Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 and 16 years old). 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Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and dubbing. Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 and 16 years old). Fare thee well, Carl. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sharpei at verizon.net Mon Nov 7 13:40:38 2005 From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:40:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Does Anyone Have a Scanned LX-3 Manual ? Message-ID: <436F4B46.3010709@verizon.net> Hi Folks, Just wondering if anyone out there in Nak land might have a scanned LX-3 or LX-5 owner's manual they could email me ? Thanks, Mark Barrett sharpei at verizon.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 7 14:33:41 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:33:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is this normal? In-Reply-To: <20051107012133.43270.qmail@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051107012133.43270.qmail@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436F57B5.9000603@rcn.com> I would surmise that the tape developed a curl in that spot, that caused poor tape to head contact. That, in turn, caused the up-and-down volume change. In time, as that spot of the tape sat between layers, it recovered to its original shape and now plays normally. This phenomenon was fairly common with older car cassette players that invariably were left with power off and the tape pressed between the capstan and pinch roller whenever the car was switched off. Better car units solved this by having the pinch roller solenoid activated, so that it was engaged only when powered on. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > A couple of months ago, I was playing a tape on my > never demagnetized 22 years old Toshiba tape deck, and > I powered off the machine without pressing stop. The > heads stayed on the tape for 3 days on the same > position. As you might guess, the sound on that part > was not right. It was +/- erased (Pitch went down and > up). Now, about 6 months later, I play that tape, and > the "dead part" mysteriouly sounds right. > > Can someone explain this? > > Antoine Deschênes, > antdes45 at yahoo.ca > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 7 16:00:48 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:00:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003001c5e3ac$09bba660$14ca87d9@oemcomputer> John Do you have any contact addresses for passing on condolences? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of John Berger > Sent: 06 November 2005 23:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl > > > I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. > > Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are > some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile > with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a > Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and > dubbing. > > Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 > and 16 years old). > > Fare thee well, Carl. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Mon Nov 7 16:37:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:37:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very sad to hear that.. my condolances to his family. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Berger Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:26 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and dubbing. Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 and 16 years old). Fare thee well, Carl. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 7 16:41:56 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:41:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436F75C4.2050901@yahoo.ca> I'm sorry to hear this, while I guess it doesn't make enough time I'm in this list to have heard about him. John Berger a écrit : > I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. > > Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are > some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile > with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a > Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and > dubbing. > > Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 > and 16 years old). > > Fare thee well, Carl. > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 7 16:43:24 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:43:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is this normal? In-Reply-To: <436F57B5.9000603@rcn.com> References: <20051107012133.43270.qmail@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <436F57B5.9000603@rcn.com> Message-ID: <436F761C.9090901@yahoo.ca> Oh, that's why. I just wonder how the tape wasn't demagnetized. Remember that the deck is 22 years old and a demagnetizer never touched it. Ron a écrit : > > I would surmise that the tape developed a curl in > that spot, that caused poor tape to head contact. > That, in turn, caused the up-and-down volume > change. In time, as that spot of the tape sat > between layers, it recovered to its original shape > and now plays normally. > > This phenomenon was fairly common with older car > cassette players that invariably were left with > power off and the tape pressed between the capstan > and pinch roller whenever the car was switched off. > Better car units solved this by having the pinch > roller solenoid activated, so that it was engaged > only when powered on. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> A couple of months ago, I was playing a tape on my >> never demagnetized 22 years old Toshiba tape deck, and >> I powered off the machine without pressing stop. The >> heads stayed on the tape for 3 days on the same >> position. As you might guess, the sound on that part >> was not right. It was +/- erased (Pitch went down and >> up). Now, about 6 months later, I play that tape, and >> the "dead part" mysteriouly sounds right. >> >> Can someone explain this? >> >> Antoine Deschênes, >> antdes45 at yahoo.ca >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From jkernohan at KrollWorldwide.com Mon Nov 7 21:09:54 2005 From: jkernohan at KrollWorldwide.com (Kernohan, Jeff) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:09:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City Message-ID: Hello, I just picked up a very nice 680zx that smells very hot after being on for less than a minute. I opened the case and found no obvious circuit board problems so I am thinking it is best to give it to a pro for service. Can anyone recommend a knowledgeable tech in NYC that I might be able to have check it out and bring it up to spec? Thanks in advance, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Nov 7 22:07:25 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:07:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051107160640.01867dc8@pop.east.cox.net> John, I wish to send my sincere condolences to you and the family of your friend. I will remember him in my nightly prayers. Roland At 03:25 PM 11/6/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. > >Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are >some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile >with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a >Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and >dubbing. > >Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 >and 16 years old). > >Fare thee well, Carl. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From chasw at tampabay.rr.com Mon Nov 7 23:46:36 2005 From: chasw at tampabay.rr.com (Charles Wilson) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:46:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & MR-1 Message-ID: <000801c5e3ed$1cfaf410$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Anybody got any ideas about the following problems? A Dragon that will fast forward/rewind but will not move the tape when PLAY is engaged. An MR-1 that will not fast forward/rewind and will play for only 3 seconds when PLAY is engaged. TIA, Charles From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 8 00:57:16 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:57:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051107160640.01867dc8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20051107235716.73990.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John, Wish to send you my condolences on the passing of a fellow brother. We stand by you in this moment of prayer. Bala roland wrote: John, I wish to send my sincere condolences to you and the family of your friend. I will remember him in my nightly prayers. Roland At 03:25 PM 11/6/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. > >Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are >some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile >with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a >Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and >dubbing. > >Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 >and 16 years old). > >Fare thee well, Carl. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Can anyone recommend a knowledgeable tech in > NYC that I might be able to have check it out and bring it up to spec? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeff > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Nov 8 03:19:46 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:19:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A really nice, reconditioned, ZX-7 available - everything works Message-ID: Hi, everyone: I don't know if you have all followed some of my posts, but I'm the one that was asking all the questions about my Naks and I ramble a lot... so I'll ramble a bit more, or you can skip down a paragraph past this next one. :~) I had bought an LX-5 on Ebay and besides finding that it wasn't working very well, I decided that what I really wanted was my old familiar ZX-7 (I had one back in the 80's), so I bought one on Ebay for about $300 with the shipping, but then found that it also wasn't in very good shape. The heads and rollers looked like they had never been cleaned and the azimuth and levels and bias controls looked like they had never been used... the knobs would hardly turn. When adjusted, the azimuth and bias and threshold could not be setup correctly and the channels in Dolby were uneven. About then I found this wonderful Nak forum and got lots of help. I also found another ZX-7 on Ebay, in very good condition, that Steven Sanks had gone though just a couple of years ago, he had replaced all the orange caps, tested and adjusted everything. So, I bought it too. I bought a service manual, took the bad deck apart, Deoxit cleaned all the control pots and switches, and ProGold treated them, and then replaced all the polypropylene capacitors, about 25 of them, using the Sanks deck as a comparison model for the fine work he does. I then fired it up and.. wow! it is working beautifully now! I have checked all controls on this ZX-7. Everything works beautifully and the sound is that amazing ZX-7. The azimuth, threshold, and bias adjustments all work flawlessly, for all tape types, and the Dolby B and C are source/tape identical when recording. Noise floor is extremely low, even without Dolby. All the transport controls work.. the only thing I have noticed is a very small bit of chatter when the tape comes to the end in fast forward or rewind, but I've been told this is not uncommon for the ZX-7 and the ZX-9. The memory returns work, the slow and extra slow speed cue feature works (I love this), the fader, record mute, etc. The ouput controls are quite, as are the record levels. Cassette door opens slowley. Everything works beautifully and smoothly now. I've never used the timer, but if some one is interested, I'll check it out too. Cosmetically, the deck is in excellent condition, no major scratches; knobs show no wear, it looks very, very good. I took some good photos, including clear close ups, which I can send. I have a copy of the users manual for it, along with copies of the 1982 Audio review of it. Serial number is: #A12408880 So, I'm selling this, and thought I would approach you here first. I'm asking $400 for it, which I think is a very fair price; so if any one is interested, please contact me: rob(the-typical-AT-symbol)rhoag.com I can ship just about anywhere that they will let me ship from the USA, so that's no problem, just be aware that you may have some import duty, etc., we can chck on this. I hope this will end up with some one that appreciates the Nakamichi line as much as I do. I'm next going to fix up the LX-5 and do an orange cap replacement on it and will also have it available. All the best, Doane From nakamichi at ispwest.com Tue Nov 8 03:50:31 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:50:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Hello,Jeff!I think I can help you.Plus you're invited to visit my cassette deck collection.Please contact me off the list.Regards, Maksim nakamichi at ispwest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kernohan, Jeff [mailto:jkernohan at KrollWorldwide.com] Sent: 11/7/2005 12:09:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City Hello, I just picked up a very nice 680zx that smells very hot after being on for less than a minute. I opened the case and found no obvious circuit board problems so I am thinking it is best to give it to a pro for service. Can anyone recommend a knowledgeable tech in NYC that I might be able to have check it out and bring it up to spec? Thanks in advance, Jeff From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 8 04:35:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:35:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Same from me...extremely sad! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl >Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:37:35 -0800 > >Very sad to hear that.. my condolances to his family. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of John Berger >Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:26 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl > > >I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. > >Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are >some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile >with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a >Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and >dubbing. > >Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 >and 16 years old). > >Fare thee well, Carl. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 8 11:08:54 2005 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 05:08:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak repairs Message-ID: <410-22005112810854540@earthlink.net> Does anyone know of a good tech who works on Naks in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale)? Mostly calibration and some refurb. Please contact me @ ddino77 at eathlink.net thanks ddan Dan Dinhofer ddino77 at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsam8c55 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 8 12:59:45 2005 From: bsam8c55 at earthlink.net (Benedict Samonte) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:59:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200511071017.jA7AGX1K018016@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000f01c5e45b$e97e69e0$640fa8c0@ncc1701e> My Condolences to his Family. He's in a better place now. Ben Message: 6 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Farewell, Carl To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sad to report here the passing of my long-time good friend, Carl Cobb. Carl is the one who introduced me to this mailing list (I'm sure there are some of his words floating around here), and he was an avid audiophile with a penchant for single-ended tube amps and exotic turntables. As a Deadhead taper for many years, he kept several Naks for playback and dubbing. Carl passed unexpectedly in his sleep, and left behind two children (19 and 16 years old). Fare thee well, Carl. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 8 13:47:54 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:47:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <000801c5e3ed$1cfaf410$64c8a8c0@wilson1> References: <000801c5e3ed$1cfaf410$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: <43709E7A.7070604@rcn.com> Charles Wilson wrote: > Anybody got any ideas about the following problems? > > > A Dragon that will fast forward/rewind but will not move the tape when > PLAY is engaged. > An MR-1 that will not fast forward/rewind and will play for only 3 > seconds when PLAY is engaged. > TIA, Charles Could be anything, but the MR-1 sounds like a bad idler tire. -- Ron From nakamichi at ispwest.com Tue Nov 8 19:29:05 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:29:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- And they charge you arm &leg for that... ----- Original Message ----- From: packratt at erols.com [mailto:packratt at erols.com] Sent: 11/7/2005 5:42:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City They aren't in NYC but I'd suggest [http://www.nakamichi.us]ESL up in CT. From what I've read they are one of the 2 best places to send your NAK off for service and they are a NAK authorized service center. I've got my DR2 up there waiting for service. Le Le Kernohan, Jeff wrote: Hello, I just picked up a very nice 680zx that smells very hot after being on for less than a minute. I opened the case and found no obvious circuit board problems so I am thinking it is best to give it to a pro for service. Can anyone recommend a knowledgeable tech in NYC that I might be able to have check it out and bring it up to spec? Thanks in advance, Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! [http://www.naks.com/register]http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= [mailto:Naktalk at naks.com]Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: [http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk]http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From our.family.mail at comcast.net Wed Nov 9 01:34:15 2005 From: our.family.mail at comcast.net (John and Leyla) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:34:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City Message-ID: <000001c5e4c5$5b3ad640$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> Hi Jeff, ES Labs in Connecticut is a renown Nakamichi service center. They have purchased the remaining stock of parts from Nakamichi few years ago and have had extensive experience repairing as well as servicing Naks. They are by no means cheap, but ESL and B&W in UK are probably the best two Nak centers in the world. ESL is a lot closer to NYC. If you don't want to ship your deck, you can drive up it, and it will take you about 90 minutes. Jeff Galin, the owner, met me on a Saturday in his shop to receive my CR-7A for service on a day when his basement was flooded and his daughter was taking the PSATs. He said he had promised to be there and he was. He answers all e-mails the same day.You may definitely want to give him a ring. Regards, John. From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 9 14:48:01 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:48:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service in New York City In-Reply-To: <000001c5e4c5$5b3ad640$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> References: <000001c5e4c5$5b3ad640$b58eba43@hsd1.ct.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4371FE11.90608@rcn.com> John and Leyla wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > ES Labs in Connecticut is a renown Nakamichi service center. They have > purchased the remaining stock of parts from Nakamichi few years ago and have > had extensive experience repairing as well as servicing Naks. They are by no > means cheap, but ESL and B&W in UK are probably the best two Nak centers in > the world. ESL is a lot closer to NYC. If you don't want to ship your deck, > you can drive up it, and it will take you about 90 minutes. Jeff Galin, the > owner, met me on a Saturday in his shop to receive my CR-7A for service on a > day when his basement was flooded and his daughter was taking the PSATs. He > said he had promised to be there and he was. He answers all e-mails the same > day.You may definitely want to give him a ring. Regards, John. > Not to disagree -- Jeff of ESL is very good -- but don't forget Stephen Sank in NM. He is an excellent tech and his prices are fair (even including cost of shipping to MN for a NE resident like me). I have yet to hear from anyone that they were unhappy about his work. On the con side, his turnaround time is longish. Stephen did two jobs for me. First, he serviced and fully recalibrated my CR-7. As good as the deck was before, I couldn't believe the improvement Stephen had managed. Second, he repaired my Toshiba SV-F900 VCR, that was pronounced unrepairable by two Toshiba service Centers. This was 6 years ago and its still going strong. -- Ron From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 9 15:42:12 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:42:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & MR-1 Message-ID: <43720AC4.9010501@sbcglobal.net> >Anybody got any ideas about the following problems? > > > A Dragon that will fast forward/rewind but will not move the tape when > PLAY is engaged. > An MR-1 that will not fast forward/rewind and will play for only 3 > seconds when PLAY is engaged. > TIA, Charles Check for voltage on the transport cam motor on the dragon while pushing play. The MR-1 could be the tape motion sensor. Check for voltage on the reel motor after pushing ff/rw. Ken From flifton at mac.com Wed Nov 9 19:16:23 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:16:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repairs In-Reply-To: <200511091100.jA9B043B029099@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511091100.jA9B043B029099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <311D7A39-D524-4075-9F5D-76EFA84513E1@mac.com> I'll second what people have said about ESL/Jeff Galin. They sure ain't cheap, but they do very, very good work, and are responsible, responsive and professional. With Stephen Sank permanently MIA it seems, ESL is your best bet for anything but the most basic of repairs, IMHO. cheers, Fred From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 21:01:20 2005 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:01:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck heaven Message-ID: I thought I was crazy with some 8 cassette decks - 6 which are Naks. >I happen to have just listed my entire collection of cassette decks on >ebay (137 of them). There's quite a few naks there too, if you want, >have a look here: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825951959 From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Nov 9 23:20:16 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:20:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 for a decent deck Message-ID: <20051109222042.PONB22723.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> I've read a lot on these boards concerning tape decks with similarities and difference between the good, the bad and the ugly. Of course, I guess we all wish we could own a Dragon, CR7, 1000ZXL and the like but that's expensive tastes for most. Is the MR-1 a worthy opponent? I believe we somehow came to the conclusion that a MR is a BX300 with unbalanced inputs on the front panel. Is that pretty much a fair description? I did own a BX300 in the 80's for almost a year. Of course it developed the FF/Rev problem and not knowing it just needed the idler tire, I threw the deck out. Is the MR-1 just a BX300 or a beefed up BX300? One came up on eBay for $179 as a BIN. Thinking about doing it. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 00:19:05 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:19:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <43720AC4.9010501@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20051109231905.21812.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is good Chance Capstan DD motor does not move ( the tape) or Pinch Rollar support block does not move up and engage the Rollars properly to move the tape. In both the cases - the tape does not move and sensor stops the play mode. Open the top cover and observe the DD motor Flywheels - two huge metal wheels that are rotating without placing a tape - push play. Check whether these two flywheels rotate and check whether the pinch rollar move up and engage on the Capstan. If this happens without tape and play mode stays, check these flywheels with tape inside the well. probably you will notice the correct reason Kannan Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: >Anybody got any ideas about the following problems? > > > A Dragon that will fast forward/rewind but will not move the tape when > PLAY is engaged. > An MR-1 that will not fast forward/rewind and will play for only 3 > seconds when PLAY is engaged. > TIA, Charles Check for voltage on the transport cam motor on the dragon while pushing play. The MR-1 could be the tape motion sensor. Check for voltage on the reel motor after pushing ff/rw. 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URL: From mailboxb at optonline.net Thu Nov 10 01:08:08 2005 From: mailboxb at optonline.net (bert) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:08:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My experience & where to buy a NAK now Message-ID: <43728F68.2070301@optonline.net> BX-150 in 1984 new BX-300 in 1998 used RX-303 in 1999 used 700-ZXE in 2002 used sold them all but now want a NAK to t-fer all my cassettes (~50) to CD and then hold on to the NAK long term just in case etc. $300 budget - suggestions? I am in the us and all I can see is getting one one on ebay or audiogon and making my best selection after some analysis, then if needed blowing the budget and at some point getting it serviced. From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Thu Nov 10 02:48:49 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:48:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads Vs. 2 heads? Message-ID: Hullo . I am wondering about the difference in sound with three head vs. 2 head Nakmichi decks. I have a nice 2 head deck (rx303)..Can someone give me an idea of the benefits of a really nice Nak 3 head deck over the best two head Nak. deck? I was thinking that i might just be satisified with my NAk 2 head deck, but as i had already planned for an expenditure for a 3 head deck in my next years budget, i was wondering exactly what i might expect to gain for spending 500.00 to 700.00 just to pick up one extra head vis -a -vis my 2 head RX303?Is the difference subtle?is the difference substantial?What will the difference be? thank you. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 10 02:52:38 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:52:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 for a decent deck In-Reply-To: <20051109222042.PONB22723.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> References: <20051109222042.PONB22723.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <4372A7E6.2020400@rcn.com> Yes, the BX-300 and MR-1 are very similar. They are also quite similar sonically. IMHO, both are worthy decks, belying their current modest price. $175 for a BX-300 IN EXCELLENT CONDITION is reasonable, especially if it's a comparatively young deck. In poor condition I've seen them go for far less. -- Ron rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I've read a lot on these boards concerning tape decks with similarities and difference between the good, the bad and the ugly. > > Of course, I guess we all wish we could own a Dragon, CR7, 1000ZXL and the like but that's expensive tastes for most. > > Is the MR-1 a worthy opponent? I believe we somehow came to the conclusion that a MR is a BX300 with unbalanced inputs on the front panel. > > Is that pretty much a fair description? > > I did own a BX300 in the 80's for almost a year. Of course it developed the FF/Rev problem and not knowing it just needed the idler tire, I threw the deck out. > > Is the MR-1 just a BX300 or a beefed up BX300? > > One came up on eBay for $179 as a BIN. Thinking about doing it. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From al at atd.com.au Thu Nov 10 08:29:05 2005 From: al at atd.com.au (Al Sankauskas) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:59:05 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Parts Message-ID: <00ad01c5e5c8$6f6001f0$0400a8c0@ALTOSHI> I need parts for Nakamichi ZX7 machines. Can anyone help ? Anyone selling a ZX7 ? Sound Regards Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Nov 10 13:03:26 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:03:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads Vs. 2 heads? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4373370E.9020607@snet.net> IMHO, the differences are subtle. I've got both a LX-3 (2 head), and LX-5 (3 head which Stephen Sank referred to at one time as a 700 ZXL with out the bells and whistles). I'd be hard pressed to hear much of a difference with playback between the two. Even so, I find that the tape/source monitor capability of the LX-5 is an important benefit when recording and use the 3 head for that purpose. I have been told that the biggest difference in playback is the 3 head models ability to render accurate bass response in the 16 to 30hz range with little to no rolloff or contour bumps. Ed jerryjg wrote: > > Hullo . I am wondering about the difference in sound with three head > vs. 2 head Nakmichi decks. I have a nice 2 head deck (rx303)..Can > someone give me an idea of the benefits of a really nice Nak 3 head > deck over the best two head Nak. deck? I was thinking that i might > just be satisified with my NAk 2 head deck, but as i had already > planned for an expenditure for a 3 head deck in my next years budget, > i was wondering exactly what i might expect to gain for spending > 500.00 to 700.00 just to pick up one extra head vis -a -vis my 2 head > RX303?Is the difference subtle?is the difference substantial?What > will the difference be? thank you. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 10 12:50:46 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:50:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads Vs. 2 heads? Message-ID: Hi Jerry! The main differences are that you CAN hear 100% exactly WHAT you are recording, as each head in a Nakamichi deck IS 100% OPTIMIZED...to perform THE VERY BEST DURING ERASE > RECORDING & FINALLY LISTENING/PLAYING BACK. Also you will obtain better highs & bass...as the recording and playback heads are 100% optimized for deliver the "Wider" spectrum of the music...if you comprehend what I mean? Good luck! ALEX! >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads Vs. 2 heads? >Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:48:49 -0600 > > >Hullo . I am wondering about the difference in sound with three head vs. 2 >head Nakmichi decks. I have a nice 2 head deck (rx303)..Can someone give >me an idea of the benefits of a really nice Nak 3 head deck over the best >two head Nak. deck? I was thinking that i might just be satisified with >my NAk 2 head deck, but as i had already planned for an expenditure for a >3 head deck in my next years budget, i was wondering exactly what i might >expect to gain for spending 500.00 to 700.00 just to pick up one extra >head vis -a -vis my 2 head RX303?Is the difference subtle?is the >difference substantial?What will the difference be? thank you. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 10 18:39:23 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:39:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My experience & where to buy a NAK now In-Reply-To: <43728F68.2070301@optonline.net> Message-ID: I have an LX-5 3 head Nak, I would like to get $350, but will take $300. I think this is a really reasonable price. I'll charge you what ever it costs me for shipping. I have the original Nakamichi double box and a Owners Manual copy and service manual. I went completly through the LX-5 deck. I replaced all the critical orange polypropalyne capicators (about 20) with high quality 5% polyprops and polyesters (better quality then original). I Dioxit cleaned and ProGold sprayed all the control pots and switches. I repaired the right door mechanism that would not function. I cleaned and lubed the cam bearing that was causing the transport to not engage and also cleaned and lubed the captsin roller pivots. I've been playing with it for several days now and have not had one problem with it so I would say it's in excellent shape now. I can record a high quality CD on any tape type using Dolby C and there is no difference from the source to the tape using the monitor switch. Even using Doly B there is very little difference. Noise floor is very low now.. The bad caps were causing the dolby tracking problems and the poor signal to noise when I got it. I checked every function and every thing now works perfectly. The bias trim is a nice feature that can be used to adjust the output by comparing the tape monitor source/tape while adjusting the bias trim for the closest match for differnt tape brands. This is a major advantage of a three head discreat head Nak deck besides better frequency response. Fade in/out with two speeds also is a nice feature. It also has a memory set with a play from memory position. I also have a ZX-7 that I also just finished the orange cap replacement and reconditioning on. If you are interested, please contact me off line at rob (the at sign) rhoag.com Doane ********************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of bert Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My experience & where to buy a NAK now BX-150 in 1984 new BX-300 in 1998 used RX-303 in 1999 used 700-ZXE in 2002 used sold them all but now want a NAK to t-fer all my cassettes (~50) to CD and then hold on to the NAK long term just in case etc. $300 budget - suggestions? I am in the us and all I can see is getting one one on ebay or audiogon and making my best selection after some analysis, then if needed blowing the budget and at some point getting it serviced. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 10 18:50:48 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:50:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads Vs. 2 heads? In-Reply-To: <4373370E.9020607@snet.net> Message-ID: I have an LX-5 and it's an excellent deck. I just did the orange cap replacement and reconditioned it. I like my ZX-7 better, but the LX-5, with it's bias trim and the ability to switch back and forth from tape to source, is a really nice feature for fine tuning to the tape type. I also like the fade in/out feature and the memory stop/play, etc. I think the other advantage of a discrete separate head design is that you get more headroom before distortion and better signal to noise. If no one is interested in it here I'm going to put it up on Ebay. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3 heads Vs. 2 heads? IMHO, the differences are subtle. I've got both a LX-3 (2 head), and LX-5 (3 head which Stephen Sank referred to at one time as a 700 ZXL with out the bells and whistles). I'd be hard pressed to hear much of a difference with playback between the two. Even so, I find that the tape/source monitor capability of the LX-5 is an important benefit when recording and use the 3 head for that purpose. I have been told that the biggest difference in playback is the 3 head models ability to render accurate bass response in the 16 to 30hz range with little to no rolloff or contour bumps. Ed jerryjg wrote: > > Hullo . I am wondering about the difference in sound with three head > vs. 2 head Nakmichi decks. I have a nice 2 head deck (rx303)..Can > someone give me an idea of the benefits of a really nice Nak 3 head > deck over the best two head Nak. deck? I was thinking that i might > just be satisified with my NAk 2 head deck, but as i had already > planned for an expenditure for a 3 head deck in my next years budget, > i was wondering exactly what i might expect to gain for spending > 500.00 to 700.00 just to pick up one extra head vis -a -vis my 2 head > RX303?Is the difference subtle?is the difference substantial?What > will the difference be? thank you. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Nov 10 20:59:02 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:59:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sank (was repair in NY) In-Reply-To: <200511101100.jAAB04I9000707@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511101100.jAAB04I9000707@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7A1542AB-08BD-4B7E-A0D9-D14AC0A79780@mac.com> Well, Ron is right insofar as Sank does lovely work. I have a CR3a that he worked on that has been wonderful. But that was almost five years ago. He has had two of my decks for well over a year now. That is more than a "longish" turnaround time, IMO. He does not respond to email or phone messages at all, even though I have asked him to just return the decks unserviced. I have given up on ever seeing these machines again. I don't know why Sank is behaving this way. Being the sort of person that I am, I don't believe he's being dishonest. But the fact remains that he is completely, utterly unreliable and unresponsive. For that reason, I cannot recommend anyone send their stuff to him. sorry, Fred On Nov 10, 2005, at 3:00 AM, Ron wrote: > > Not to disagree -- Jeff of ESL is very good -- but > don't forget Stephen Sank in NM. He is an excellent > tech and his prices are fair (even including cost of > shipping to MN for a NE resident like me). I have > yet to hear from anyone that they were unhappy about > his work. On the con side, his turnaround time is > longish. > > Stephen did two jobs for me. First, he serviced and > fully recalibrated my CR-7. As good as the deck was > before, I couldn't believe the improvement Stephen > had managed. Second, he repaired my Toshiba SV-F900 > VCR, that was pronounced unrepairable by two Toshiba > service Centers. This was 6 years ago and its still > going strong. > > -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Thu Nov 10 22:27:16 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:27:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? Message-ID: <001001c5e63d$86ff29b0$981ad255@homeduron1300> Hi everyone, I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA contingent having access to Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns machines, but I'd still risk it). I can't afford it now but would like a 'Sanktified' machine sometime in the future. Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this type of overhaul? I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting B&W. I enquired about orange cap disease and got no reply (email), so I think they do servicing to a high standard but nothing of a rebuilding nature, not surprisingly as they are a service centre and anything in the line of 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and costly. I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own Naks and it occurred to me that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in a similar way and might even do other peoples units (could be a source of extra income for a careful and knowledgeable worker). David From sharpei at verizon.net Thu Nov 10 22:24:06 2005 From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:24:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] That 682ZX is Mine Message-ID: <4373BA76.9050204@verizon.net> Hey Folks - In the event any of you are looking - the 682ZX on eBay (ending Tues afternoon) is mine. Trying to get down to 2 Naks - that routinely get played. Mark Barrett sharpei at verizon.net From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Thu Nov 10 23:33:51 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:33:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] That 682ZX is Mine In-Reply-To: <4373BA76.9050204@verizon.net> References: <4373BA76.9050204@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4373CACF.6010001@bresnan.net> Mark; How much do you want for it? I do not use ebay much so I dont know if you would sell it to me. Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net Mark C. Barrett wrote: > Hey Folks - > > In the event any of you are looking - the 682ZX on eBay (ending Tues > afternoon) is mine. Trying to get down to 2 Naks - that routinely get > played. > > Mark Barrett > sharpei at verizon.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/166 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 10 23:19:18 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:19:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <001001c5e63d$86ff29b0$981ad255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <004701c5e644$cbfbd250$7300a8c0@Shaun> The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. "I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can listen to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special tape? Would a manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put this up for sale but want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." Does this represent good value for money, considering the like repair costs? Shaun From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Nov 10 23:36:04 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:36:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? References: <001001c5e63d$86ff29b0$981ad255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <00b101c5e647$237d2e00$feca8656@compaq> Servicing to a high standard is one thing, rebuilding to a high standard is another step higher ! (think classic cars) there are a few people who can but fewer who are willing to spend the money it can cost to do properly. I have seen some of the units that have been done "at home" and they are not pretty sights. (lifted circuit tracks, burnt adjacent components and wiring leading to other problems within 6 months) If you "dabble", do for your own amusement and cost, don't do it for extra income, its likely to come back and bite.. I'm way to busy at the moment, maybe early next year.., in the meantime give B&W a call I'm sure they will quote for the job they will do a good one. TPF ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edwards" To: Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > Hi everyone, > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA contingent having access to > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns machines, but I'd still risk it). > I can't afford it now but would like a 'Sanktified' machine sometime in the > future. > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this type of overhaul? > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting B&W. > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no reply (email), so I think > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing of a rebuilding nature, not > surprisingly as they are a service centre and anything in the line of > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and costly. > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own Naks and it occurred to me > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in a similar way and might > even do other peoples units (could be a source of extra income for a careful > and knowledgeable worker). > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - Release Date: 09/11/05 > > From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 11 00:28:03 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:28:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <004701c5e644$cbfbd250$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <000601c5e64e$65578800$3a9a87d9@oemcomputer> Before going to the cost of buying and importing (don't forget you may be stung with VAT and import duty on top!) you might want to check if B&W still support this model with spares ... I've a feeling they don't. I got stung this way - bought a Sony multi-disc player from Stephen Sank that turned out to have an intermittent fault. It eventually died altogether after about 10 hours of playing and now the local Sony service centre tell me it's too old to repair ... having charged me £20 just to look at it! It's going to the rubbish dump tomorrow ... but I'll be auctioning the remote control. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 10 November 2005 22:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > > > The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. > > "I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can listen > to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special > tape? Would a > manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put this up > for sale but > want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." > > Does this represent good value for money, considering the like > repair costs? > > Shaun > From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Nov 11 00:09:00 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:09:00 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 References: <004701c5e644$cbfbd250$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <00d401c5e64b$bca19950$081598de@tec> Hello Shaun I would imagine you would be up for $200 US for new heads plus work to install them and find out what else might be wrong. Probably not good value as a 600 stated as being in good condition has been offered to "watchers" of New Zealand's trademe at $250 NZ (about $170 US at the moment). No point to a 550 if it cannot record, afterall it is a portable recorder and a darned good one. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Montgomery" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. > > "I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can listen > to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special tape? Would > a > manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put this up for sale > but > want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." > > Does this represent good value for money, considering the like repair > costs? > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 11 00:27:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:27:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: <001001c5e63d$86ff29b0$981ad255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <000501c5e64e$624bcea0$3a9a87d9@oemcomputer> David Try this email address for B&W - paul at bowersandwilkins.co.uk - that's Paul Wilkins. I've dealt with him several times before. He'll give you a straight answer to your question. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: 10 November 2005 21:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Hi everyone, > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA contingent having > access to > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns machines, but I'd still > risk it). > I can't afford it now but would like a 'Sanktified' machine > sometime in the > future. > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this type of overhaul? > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting B&W. > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no reply (email), so I think > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing of a rebuilding > nature, not > surprisingly as they are a service centre and anything in the line of > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and costly. > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own Naks and it > occurred to me > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in a similar way > and might > even do other peoples units (could be a source of extra income > for a careful > and knowledgeable worker). > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Fri Nov 11 01:41:56 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:41:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: <00b101c5e647$237d2e00$feca8656@compaq> Message-ID: You're right, Terry, but in my case, I was an electronics tech in the Navy for four years. I know how to solder properly to not get cold joints or burnt boards. I worked on the highest end countermeasures equipment at the time... cutting edge equipment incorporating some of the earliest computer circuits, along with tube equipment. With the Naks, I don't have the alignment tapes to do the alignments, but if I did, I could do that too following the service manuals, it's pretty clear and straight forward. The two decks I worked on, the LX-5 and ZX-7 were luckily in good mechanical condition, other then some dirty controls and pots, and they didn't need any obvious physical alignment done, so it was mainly the poor quality polypropylene caps that were starting to give problems, and I elected to replace all of them, on both machines, not something most shops will do unless you pay them quite a bit to do it. So, yes, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, but I'm not "dabbling" in something I'm not familiar with. I have no desire to go into it as a business though, I simply want to save these decks I've had fun working on and offer them back in really good condition to someone who can enjoy them, and for a reasonable selling price. I'm sure you do run into decks that have been messed up by someone not knowing what they are doing though, I've seen that too. By the way, as you probably know, if you have broken circuit tracks or burnt adjacent components because of shoddy work, it probably isn't going to take six months to show up, you would know it immediately. If a customer takes a Nak in to have it serviced and they only replace a few bad orange polyprops in one area, that customer may will be back within six months though with other problems. Do you routinely replace all these caps when a deck is brought in with circuit problems, or do you just trouble shoot the one problem and replace its defective components? Thanks, Doane ********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] UK Sank? Servicing to a high standard is one thing, rebuilding to a high standard is another step higher ! (think classic cars) there are a few people who can but fewer who are willing to spend the money it can cost to do properly. I have seen some of the units that have been done "at home" and they are not pretty sights. (lifted circuit tracks, burnt adjacent components and wiring leading to other problems within 6 months) If you "dabble", do for your own amusement and cost, don't do it for extra income, its likely to come back and bite.. I'm way to busy at the moment, maybe early next year.., in the meantime give B&W a call I'm sure they will quote for the job they will do a good one. TPF ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edwards" To: Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > Hi everyone, > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA contingent having access to > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns machines, but I'd still risk it). > I can't afford it now but would like a 'Sanktified' machine sometime in the > future. > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this type of overhaul? > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting B&W. > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no reply (email), so I think > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing of a rebuilding nature, not > surprisingly as they are a service centre and anything in the line of > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and costly. > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own Naks and it occurred to me > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in a similar way and might > even do other peoples units (could be a source of extra income for a careful > and knowledgeable worker). > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - Release Date: 09/11/05 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 11 09:19:37 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:19:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <000601c5e64e$65578800$3a9a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000301c5e698$a957fae0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Yes, it's true that B & W do not generally support thid model due to lack of spare componenents. However, my local Hi-Fi shop have been servivcing Naks for over 15 years and say that they will look ay ant model. No import duty on "Gifts". Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 10 November 2005 23:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 Before going to the cost of buying and importing (don't forget you may be stung with VAT and import duty on top!) you might want to check if B&W still support this model with spares ... I've a feeling they don't. I got stung this way - bought a Sony multi-disc player from Stephen Sank that turned out to have an intermittent fault. It eventually died altogether after about 10 hours of playing and now the local Sony service centre tell me it's too old to repair ... having charged me £20 just to look at it! It's going to the rubbish dump tomorrow ... but I'll be auctioning the remote control. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 10 November 2005 22:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > > > The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. > > "I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can > listen to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special > tape? Would a manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put > this up for sale but > want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." > > Does this represent good value for money, considering the like repair > costs? > > Shaun > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 11 12:08:13 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:08:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <000301c5e698$a957fae0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <000d01c5e6b0$359336c0$d39287d9@oemcomputer> True, no import duty on "gifts" but the Customs & Excise boys don't always accept that declaration ... especially if there is an invoice attached to, or enclosed in, the package! VAT will be payable unless it was imported from another EEC country, but the Excise folks don't always demand it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 11 November 2005 08:20 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > > > Yes, it's true that B & W do not generally support thid model due > to lack of > spare componenents. However, my local Hi-Fi shop have been servivcing Naks > for over 15 years and say that they will look ay ant model. > > No import duty on "Gifts". > > Shaun > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 11 12:19:17 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:19:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <00d401c5e64b$bca19950$081598de@tec> Message-ID: <001c01c5e6b1$c29a7730$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hmmm, Hadn't considered that it might be the record/playback head that may need replacing. I had kinda thought that it may be some electrical fault that could be repaired in house. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 10 November 2005 23:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 Hello Shaun I would imagine you would be up for $200 US for new heads plus work to install them and find out what else might be wrong. Probably not good value as a 600 stated as being in good condition has been offered to "watchers" of New Zealand's trademe at $250 NZ (about $170 US at the moment). No point to a 550 if it cannot record, afterall it is a portable recorder and a darned good one. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Montgomery" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. > > "I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can > listen to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special > tape? Would a manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put > this up for sale but > want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." > > Does this represent good value for money, considering the like repair > costs? > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Nov 11 13:11:12 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:11:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: <000501c5e64e$624bcea0$3a9a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051111121112.38544.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you sure that you will risk your Nakamichi even though you know that it would not get returned ? Please send it to me and I am sure to turn it back Sanktified in next xouple of years for sure!!! Kannan Nelson wrote: David Try this email address for B&W - paul at bowersandwilkins.co.uk - that's Paul Wilkins. I've dealt with him several times before. He'll give you a straight answer to your question. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: 10 November 2005 21:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Hi everyone, > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA contingent having > access to > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns machines, but I'd still > risk it). > I can't afford it now but would like a 'Sanktified' machine > sometime in the > future. > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this type of overhaul? > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting B&W. > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no reply (email), so I think > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing of a rebuilding > nature, not > surprisingly as they are a service centre and anything in the line of > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and costly. > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own Naks and it > occurred to me > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in a similar way > and might > even do other peoples units (could be a source of extra income > for a careful > and knowledgeable worker). > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 12 00:14:19 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:14:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <001c01c5e6b1$c29a7730$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20051111231419.73746.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check with Kermit. He's a guru with this deck, and produces recording that can worry digital recorders, with this machine. Bala --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Hmmm, > > Hadn't considered that it might be the > record/playback head that may need > replacing. I had kinda thought that it may be some > electrical fault that > could be repaired in house. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Donald Sangster > Sent: 10 November 2005 23:09 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > > > Hello Shaun > > I would imagine you would be up for $200 US for new > heads plus work to > install them and find out what else might be wrong. > Probably not good value > as a 600 stated as being in good condition has been > offered to "watchers" of > > New Zealand's trademe at $250 NZ (about $170 US at > the moment). > > No point to a 550 if it cannot record, afterall it > is a portable recorder > and a darned good one. > > Regards > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:19 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 > > > > The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping > to the UK is $73. > > > > "I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage > for 20 years. I can > > listen to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it > require a special > > tape? Would a manual help and if so how can I find > one. I want to put > > this up for sale but > > want to make sure the buyer knows what they are > getting." > > > > Does this represent good value for money, > considering the like repair > > costs? > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 12 00:22:08 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:22:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051111232208.24493.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those must have been the huge console based computers which were the first generation of computers to go to sea! I can't remember the name of the system, but it was what SAGE was to the air force. Bala --- Doane Hoag wrote: > You're right, Terry, but in my case, I was an > electronics tech in the Navy > for four years. I know how to solder properly to not > get cold joints or > burnt boards. I worked on the highest end > countermeasures equipment at the > time... cutting edge equipment incorporating some of > the earliest computer > circuits, along with tube equipment. With the Naks, > I don't have the > alignment tapes to do the alignments, but if I did, > I could do that too > following the service manuals, it's pretty clear and > straight forward. The > two decks I worked on, the LX-5 and ZX-7 were > luckily in good mechanical > condition, other then some dirty controls and pots, > and they didn't need any > obvious physical alignment done, so it was mainly > the poor quality > polypropylene caps that were starting to give > problems, and I elected to > replace all of them, on both machines, not something > most shops will do > unless you pay them quite a bit to do it. > > So, yes, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, but > I'm not "dabbling" in > something I'm not familiar with. I have no desire to > go into it as a > business though, I simply want to save these decks > I've had fun working on > and offer them back in really good condition to > someone who can enjoy them, > and for a reasonable selling price. I'm sure you do > run into decks that have > been messed up by someone not knowing what they are > doing though, I've seen > that too. > > By the way, as you probably know, if you have broken > circuit tracks or burnt > adjacent components because of shoddy work, it > probably isn't going to take > six months to show up, you would know it > immediately. If a customer takes a > Nak in to have it serviced and they only replace a > few bad orange polyprops > in one area, that customer may will be back within > six months though with > other problems. Do you routinely replace all these > caps when a deck is > brought in with circuit problems, or do you just > trouble shoot the one > problem and replace its defective components? > > Thanks, > > Doane > ********************************************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Terry Finn > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:36 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Servicing to a high standard is one thing, > rebuilding to a high standard is > another step higher ! > (think classic cars) there are a few people who can > but fewer who are > willing to spend the money > it can cost to do properly. > I have seen some of the units that have been done > "at home" and they are not > pretty sights. > (lifted circuit tracks, burnt adjacent components > and wiring leading to > other problems within 6 months) > > If you "dabble", do for your own amusement and cost, > don't do it for extra > income, its likely to come > back and bite.. > I'm way to busy at the moment, maybe early next > year.., in the meantime give > B&W a call > I'm sure they will quote for the job they will do a > good one. > > TPF > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Edwards" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:27 PM > Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > > Hi everyone, > > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA > contingent having access > to > > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns > machines, but I'd still risk > it). > > I can't afford it now but would like a > 'Sanktified' machine sometime in > the > > future. > > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this > type of overhaul? > > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting > B&W. > > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no > reply (email), so I think > > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing > of a rebuilding nature, > not > > surprisingly as they are a service centre and > anything in the line of > > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and > costly. > > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own > Naks and it occurred to me > > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in > a similar way and might > > even do other peoples units (could be a source of > extra income for a > careful > > and knowledgeable worker). > > > > David > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - > Release Date: 09/11/05 > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited > States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Sat Nov 12 00:47:26 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:47:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Still interested in comments about receiver 3, is it good, is it ok, is it crap?, would like to know, Although NAK did marvelous tapedecks, I'm not convinced that they were that good on the other HiFi-stuff, any comments With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:15 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 > > > I'm thinking of bying one Receiver 3 for my daughter. > Any comments on this one, because I don't know anything about > NAK receivers. Culprits, pros and cons, and how much should I > pay for it? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ktl at bornet.net Sat Nov 12 00:56:28 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:56:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: <20051111232208.24493.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In my opinion, working on my own. NAK used inferior quality on their circuit-boards, which makes it nearly impossible to desolder a component without damaging the tracks. Single-sided FR2 (or even worse) material and no through-hole-plating means that the traks would lift whenever heat is applied. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:22 AM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Those must have been the huge console based computers > which were the first generation of computers to go to > sea! I can't remember the name of the system, but it > was what SAGE was to the air force. > > Bala > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > You're right, Terry, but in my case, I was an > > electronics tech in the Navy > > for four years. I know how to solder properly to not > > get cold joints or > > burnt boards. I worked on the highest end > > countermeasures equipment at the > > time... cutting edge equipment incorporating some of > > the earliest computer > > circuits, along with tube equipment. With the Naks, > > I don't have the > > alignment tapes to do the alignments, but if I did, > > I could do that too > > following the service manuals, it's pretty clear and > > straight forward. The > > two decks I worked on, the LX-5 and ZX-7 were > > luckily in good mechanical > > condition, other then some dirty controls and pots, > > and they didn't need any > > obvious physical alignment done, so it was mainly > > the poor quality > > polypropylene caps that were starting to give > > problems, and I elected to > > replace all of them, on both machines, not something > > most shops will do > > unless you pay them quite a bit to do it. > > > > So, yes, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, but > > I'm not "dabbling" in > > something I'm not familiar with. I have no desire to > > go into it as a > > business though, I simply want to save these decks > > I've had fun working on > > and offer them back in really good condition to > > someone who can enjoy them, > > and for a reasonable selling price. I'm sure you do > > run into decks that have > > been messed up by someone not knowing what they are > > doing though, I've seen > > that too. > > > > By the way, as you probably know, if you have broken > > circuit tracks or burnt > > adjacent components because of shoddy work, it > > probably isn't going to take > > six months to show up, you would know it > > immediately. If a customer takes a > > Nak in to have it serviced and they only replace a > > few bad orange polyprops > > in one area, that customer may will be back within > > six months though with > > other problems. Do you routinely replace all these > > caps when a deck is > > brought in with circuit problems, or do you just > > trouble shoot the one > > problem and replace its defective components? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doane > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Terry Finn > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:36 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > > > > Servicing to a high standard is one thing, > > rebuilding to a high standard is > > another step higher ! > > (think classic cars) there are a few people who can > > but fewer who are > > willing to spend the money > > it can cost to do properly. > > I have seen some of the units that have been done > > "at home" and they are not > > pretty sights. > > (lifted circuit tracks, burnt adjacent components > > and wiring leading to > > other problems within 6 months) > > > > If you "dabble", do for your own amusement and cost, > > don't do it for extra > > income, its likely to come > > back and bite.. > > I'm way to busy at the moment, maybe early next > > year.., in the meantime give > > B&W a call > > I'm sure they will quote for the job they will do a > > good one. > > > > TPF > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Edwards" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:27 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA > > contingent having access > > to > > > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns > > machines, but I'd still risk > > it). > > > I can't afford it now but would like a > > 'Sanktified' machine sometime in > > the > > > future. > > > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this > > type of overhaul? > > > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting > > B&W. > > > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no > > reply (email), so I think > > > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing > > of a rebuilding nature, > > not > > > surprisingly as they are a service centre and > > anything in the line of > > > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and > > costly. > > > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own > > Naks and it occurred to me > > > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in > > a similar way and might > > > even do other peoples units (could be a source of > > extra income for a > > careful > > > and knowledgeable worker). > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - > > Release Date: 09/11/05 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > BEGIN:VCARD > > VERSION:2.1 > > N:Hoag;Doane > > FN:Doane Hoag > > ORG:Doane Design > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United > > States > > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > tates > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > END:VCARD > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 12 01:28:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:28:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <001c01c5e6b1$c29a7730$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001c01c5e6b1$c29a7730$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43753743.402@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, If he can listen to it then the heads should be fine, as well as the replay electronics and output, so I'd guess a bad Record/Play mode switch (a common fault with 550s) or a fault in its record electronics or Dolby circuits (a bad Dolby PCB connector is another common fault with 550s -- I recently fixed a friend's 550 that didn't record but played and it was the Dolby PCB connector). Buying dead or part dead decks off eBay makes me quite peckish, though; as a whole I never do -- unless I want it for parts for a working unit. Keep in mind that the 550 is a portable 50 in essence; so you could make just as good recordings with a 500 but you'd need access to mains voltage. Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Hmmm, > > Hadn't considered that it might be the record/playback head that may need > replacing. I had kinda thought that it may be some electrical fault that > could be repaired in house. > >>The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. >> >>"I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can >>listen to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special >>tape? Would a manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put >>this up for sale but >>want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 12 01:39:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:39:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437539D4.4040005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tomas! Tomas Larsson wrote: > In my opinion, working on my own. > NAK used inferior quality on their circuit-boards, which makes it nearly > impossible to desolder a component without damaging the tracks. > Single-sided FR2 (or even worse) material and no through-hole-plating means > that the traks would lift whenever heat is applied. I agree the PCBs have problems and you cannot desolder a component without damaging the tracks. I've had the same experiences desoldering on pre-1980 era Naks. But I think this reflects the overall quality 1970s-era PCBs. I used to service Scully, Studer-Revox and Ampex (especially the PCBs in the MR70 and AG440) -- and often had to contend with PCB tracks and pads lifting during desoldering, even though I used Antex 15-Watt and 10-Watt desoldering irons and heatsinked the components being removed. If you're unfamiliar with them, Scully and Ampex made high-end studio reel-to-reels that cost as much as a good quality automobile, (or as much as a small house in the case of their two-inch multitrack decks). In no way could they be accused of using cheap or inferior components! I cannot speak as to the quality of newer Nak deck's PCBs, having never worked on one. In my opinion, the worst Nak to work on is the BX-2 -- its hideous little idler roller for the rewind/fast forward functions is a constant source of trouble. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 12 01:51:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:51:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: <20051111232208.24493.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c5e723$4647a820$8d8787d9@oemcomputer> Ah ... the good ol' days before silicon chips, of core store, of massive machines that took up entire rooms and of impact printers the engineers had to climb INSIDE to fix ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 11 November 2005 23:22 > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Those must have been the huge console based computers > which were the first generation of computers to go to > sea! I can't remember the name of the system, but it > was what SAGE was to the air force. > > Bala > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > You're right, Terry, but in my case, I was an > > electronics tech in the Navy > > for four years. I know how to solder properly to not > > get cold joints or > > burnt boards. I worked on the highest end > > countermeasures equipment at the > > time... cutting edge equipment incorporating some of > > the earliest computer > > circuits, along with tube equipment. With the Naks, > > I don't have the > > alignment tapes to do the alignments, but if I did, > > I could do that too > > following the service manuals, it's pretty clear and > > straight forward. The > > two decks I worked on, the LX-5 and ZX-7 were > > luckily in good mechanical > > condition, other then some dirty controls and pots, > > and they didn't need any > > obvious physical alignment done, so it was mainly > > the poor quality > > polypropylene caps that were starting to give > > problems, and I elected to > > replace all of them, on both machines, not something > > most shops will do > > unless you pay them quite a bit to do it. > > > > So, yes, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, but > > I'm not "dabbling" in > > something I'm not familiar with. I have no desire to > > go into it as a > > business though, I simply want to save these decks > > I've had fun working on > > and offer them back in really good condition to > > someone who can enjoy them, > > and for a reasonable selling price. I'm sure you do > > run into decks that have > > been messed up by someone not knowing what they are > > doing though, I've seen > > that too. > > > > By the way, as you probably know, if you have broken > > circuit tracks or burnt > > adjacent components because of shoddy work, it > > probably isn't going to take > > six months to show up, you would know it > > immediately. If a customer takes a > > Nak in to have it serviced and they only replace a > > few bad orange polyprops > > in one area, that customer may will be back within > > six months though with > > other problems. Do you routinely replace all these > > caps when a deck is > > brought in with circuit problems, or do you just > > trouble shoot the one > > problem and replace its defective components? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doane > From ramvem at hotmail.com Sat Nov 12 01:54:46 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:54:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Someone I knew had this receiver and said it was very good. One thing to remember is this is all Stereo stuff. Another limitation is this does not have the extensive range of inputs & outputs you can find in today's Harman Kardon, Denon etc. receivers. For today's world its better to buy surround receiver with DTS-ES decoding etc etc. Just my 2c. Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tomas Larsson" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Receiver 3 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:47:26 +0100 Still interested in comments about receiver 3, is it good, is it ok, is it crap?, would like to know, Although NAK did marvelous tapedecks, I'm not convinced that they were that good on the other HiFi-stuff, any comments With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:15 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 > > > I'm thinking of bying one Receiver 3 for my daughter. > Any comments on this one, because I don't know anything about > NAK receivers. Culprits, pros and cons, and how much should I > pay for it? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 12 01:58:15 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:58:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa Now Shipping... Message-ID: <43753E27.2040706@woods-and-waters.com> Hello All, Just a quick update on the Nakathon IIIa project. I had two final unexpected delays. Firstly, my DAW I set up just for the project never worked properly, so I moved the project to my main DAW, so all is now well. Secondly, I had a rush order for eight of my 77D microphone preamps. I shunted the work to an associate who makes "audiophile" valve/tube preamps, thinking that the striaghforward design of the 77D would pose no challenges. Well, he built all of them wrong! So I had to spend two weeks rebuilding them to spec. I may put the whole story on Audiotalk in a few days. CD versions are shipping first; my burner works best at the 2X speed, so it takes about 37 minutes to make one CD. So, I'll be getting about three to five out per day (working it in with my normal two to four hour workday's activities -- start a CD and go off to something else until the CD is done and so on). I've rescheduled some remastering work so that the DAW can be left to making the Nakathon CDs without interruption. Actually, I may use the Nakathon as an excuse to ge tout of the project because I'm not really that enthused about it. Then on to the cassette tape orders. This is the "maiden voyage" of my newly-upgraded DAW, so I'll be quite interested to gauge reaction to the Nakathon CDs. I've spent the last two years working with a programmer to create a CD mastering rig that gives a more analog-like feel to CDs. Now we'll see how well it achieves the mission with the Nakathon IIIa CDs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 12 02:07:26 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:07:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4375404E.50606@rcn.com> Tomas Larsson wrote: > Still interested in comments about receiver 3, is it good, is it ok, is it > crap?, would like to know, > > Although NAK did marvelous tapedecks, I'm not convinced that they were that > good on the other HiFi-stuff, any comments I happened to pickup an RE-2 (similar to the Receiver 2) and was amazed at the sound quality. The RE-2 has a delicate, airy, detailed presentation. I haven't measured it, but will bet it's distortion is extremely low. While I am not familiar with other Nak receivers, I would not hesitate to recommend the RE-2 to anyone that wants a low priced vintage receiver of exceptional sonic quality. -- Ron > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson >>Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:15 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 >> >> >>I'm thinking of bying one Receiver 3 for my daughter. >>Any comments on this one, because I don't know anything about >>NAK receivers. Culprits, pros and cons, and how much should I >>pay for it? >> >>With best regards >> >>Tomas Larsson >>Sweden >>http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >>ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Nov 12 04:03:44 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:03:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The trick is to use a low watt solder iron, not a gun, etc. I had no problems with all the soldering I did replacing abut 50 components on those two decks. All my solder joints are shinney with no cold solder joints. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:56 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Sank? In my opinion, working on my own. NAK used inferior quality on their circuit-boards, which makes it nearly impossible to desolder a component without damaging the tracks. Single-sided FR2 (or even worse) material and no through-hole-plating means that the traks would lift whenever heat is applied. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:22 AM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Those must have been the huge console based computers > which were the first generation of computers to go to > sea! I can't remember the name of the system, but it > was what SAGE was to the air force. > > Bala > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > You're right, Terry, but in my case, I was an > > electronics tech in the Navy > > for four years. I know how to solder properly to not > > get cold joints or > > burnt boards. I worked on the highest end > > countermeasures equipment at the > > time... cutting edge equipment incorporating some of > > the earliest computer > > circuits, along with tube equipment. With the Naks, > > I don't have the > > alignment tapes to do the alignments, but if I did, > > I could do that too > > following the service manuals, it's pretty clear and > > straight forward. The > > two decks I worked on, the LX-5 and ZX-7 were > > luckily in good mechanical > > condition, other then some dirty controls and pots, > > and they didn't need any > > obvious physical alignment done, so it was mainly > > the poor quality > > polypropylene caps that were starting to give > > problems, and I elected to > > replace all of them, on both machines, not something > > most shops will do > > unless you pay them quite a bit to do it. > > > > So, yes, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, but > > I'm not "dabbling" in > > something I'm not familiar with. I have no desire to > > go into it as a > > business though, I simply want to save these decks > > I've had fun working on > > and offer them back in really good condition to > > someone who can enjoy them, > > and for a reasonable selling price. I'm sure you do > > run into decks that have > > been messed up by someone not knowing what they are > > doing though, I've seen > > that too. > > > > By the way, as you probably know, if you have broken > > circuit tracks or burnt > > adjacent components because of shoddy work, it > > probably isn't going to take > > six months to show up, you would know it > > immediately. If a customer takes a > > Nak in to have it serviced and they only replace a > > few bad orange polyprops > > in one area, that customer may will be back within > > six months though with > > other problems. Do you routinely replace all these > > caps when a deck is > > brought in with circuit problems, or do you just > > trouble shoot the one > > problem and replace its defective components? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doane > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Terry Finn > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:36 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > > > > Servicing to a high standard is one thing, > > rebuilding to a high standard is > > another step higher ! > > (think classic cars) there are a few people who can > > but fewer who are > > willing to spend the money > > it can cost to do properly. > > I have seen some of the units that have been done > > "at home" and they are not > > pretty sights. > > (lifted circuit tracks, burnt adjacent components > > and wiring leading to > > other problems within 6 months) > > > > If you "dabble", do for your own amusement and cost, > > don't do it for extra > > income, its likely to come > > back and bite.. > > I'm way to busy at the moment, maybe early next > > year.., in the meantime give > > B&W a call > > I'm sure they will quote for the job they will do a > > good one. > > > > TPF > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Edwards" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:27 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > I can't help but be a little jealous of the USA > > contingent having access > > to > > > Stephen Sank (yes I know he never returns > > machines, but I'd still risk > > it). > > > I can't afford it now but would like a > > 'Sanktified' machine sometime in > > the > > > future. > > > Does anyone know anyone in the UK carries out this > > type of overhaul? > > > I don't think B&W do before you all start shouting > > B&W. > > > I enquired about orange cap disease and got no > > reply (email), so I think > > > they do servicing to a high standard but nothing > > of a rebuilding nature, > > not > > > surprisingly as they are a service centre and > > anything in the line of > > > 'Sanktification' must be time consuming and > > costly. > > > I only ask as Doanne seems to have done his own > > Naks and it occurred to me > > > that someone in the UK might very well 'dabble' in > > a similar way and might > > > even do other peoples units (could be a source of > > extra income for a > > careful > > > and knowledgeable worker). > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - > > Release Date: 09/11/05 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > BEGIN:VCARD > > VERSION:2.1 > > N:Hoag;Doane > > FN:Doane Hoag > > ORG:Doane Design > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United > > States > > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO > > Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA > > 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > tates > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States of America > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > END:VCARD > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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I use a low watt pencil iron, maybe 15 or 20w along with copper braid tape for desoldering, which takes up most of the heat quickly, along with the solder. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] UK Sank? Hi Tomas! Tomas Larsson wrote: > In my opinion, working on my own. > NAK used inferior quality on their circuit-boards, which makes it nearly > impossible to desolder a component without damaging the tracks. > Single-sided FR2 (or even worse) material and no through-hole-plating means > that the traks would lift whenever heat is applied. I agree the PCBs have problems and you cannot desolder a component without damaging the tracks. I've had the same experiences desoldering on pre-1980 era Naks. But I think this reflects the overall quality 1970s-era PCBs. I used to service Scully, Studer-Revox and Ampex (especially the PCBs in the MR70 and AG440) -- and often had to contend with PCB tracks and pads lifting during desoldering, even though I used Antex 15-Watt and 10-Watt desoldering irons and heatsinked the components being removed. If you're unfamiliar with them, Scully and Ampex made high-end studio reel-to-reels that cost as much as a good quality automobile, (or as much as a small house in the case of their two-inch multitrack decks). In no way could they be accused of using cheap or inferior components! I cannot speak as to the quality of newer Nak deck's PCBs, having never worked on one. In my opinion, the worst Nak to work on is the BX-2 -- its hideous little idler roller for the rewind/fast forward functions is a constant source of trouble. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Receiver 3 Tomas Larsson wrote: > Still interested in comments about receiver 3, is it good, is it ok, is it > crap?, would like to know, > > Although NAK did marvelous tapedecks, I'm not convinced that they were that > good on the other HiFi-stuff, any comments I happened to pickup an RE-2 (similar to the Receiver 2) and was amazed at the sound quality. The RE-2 has a delicate, airy, detailed presentation. I haven't measured it, but will bet it's distortion is extremely low. While I am not familiar with other Nak receivers, I would not hesitate to recommend the RE-2 to anyone that wants a low priced vintage receiver of exceptional sonic quality. -- Ron > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson >>Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:15 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 3 >> >> >>I'm thinking of bying one Receiver 3 for my daughter. >>Any comments on this one, because I don't know anything about >>NAK receivers. Culprits, pros and cons, and how much should I >>pay for it? >> >>With best regards >> >>Tomas Larsson >>Sweden >>http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >>ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Nov 12 17:53:19 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:53:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] UK Sank? In-Reply-To: <000001c5e723$4647a820$8d8787d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hehe... "the good old days".. I was the only one on board a cruiser, the USS Providence, who had the training to work on the countermeasures equipment; our ship and the USS Pueblo had the most top secret, and newest spy equipment, along with beta type black box equipment. This was the same equipment that was aboard the attacked and captured USS Pueblo off the coast of North Korea in the winter of 1968. The capture caused total chaos and was the reason our country was so upset about getting it back or scuttling it before the Russians got hold of it... almost started WWIII..pretty scary situation. We were circling around off the coast with the whole 7th fleet, in freezing weather, with snow coming down, on general quarters high alert, waiting for orders from the President and congress... The countermeasures equipment consisted of an active system used to jam or trick missile firing radar or decoy it, and a passive system used to spy on all frequencies in the air... up to about 20ghz. The higher end frequency surveillance receivers were the ones that used the first logic circuits and solid state components, but no ICs at the time. The lower frequencies were handled by tube circuits. There were banks of drawers, each one handling a different frequency range. The high frequency circuits were so sensitive I didn't turn them off, and even leaving a washer off could throw off the alignment. All of the passive equipment was in one room about the size of a large closet, the active equipment in another room. Today, it would probably all fit in a few cases the size of a stereo receiver! Doane *************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:52 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Sank? Ah ... the good ol' days before silicon chips, of core store, of massive machines that took up entire rooms and of impact printers the engineers had to climb INSIDE to fix ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 11 November 2005 23:22 > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Sank? > > > Those must have been the huge console based computers > which were the first generation of computers to go to > sea! I can't remember the name of the system, but it > was what SAGE was to the air force. > > Bala > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > You're right, Terry, but in my case, I was an > > electronics tech in the Navy > > for four years. I know how to solder properly to not > > get cold joints or > > burnt boards. I worked on the highest end > > countermeasures equipment at the > > time... cutting edge equipment incorporating some of > > the earliest computer > > circuits, along with tube equipment. With the Naks, > > I don't have the > > alignment tapes to do the alignments, but if I did, > > I could do that too > > following the service manuals, it's pretty clear and > > straight forward. The > > two decks I worked on, the LX-5 and ZX-7 were > > luckily in good mechanical > > condition, other then some dirty controls and pots, > > and they didn't need any > > obvious physical alignment done, so it was mainly > > the poor quality > > polypropylene caps that were starting to give > > problems, and I elected to > > replace all of them, on both machines, not something > > most shops will do > > unless you pay them quite a bit to do it. > > > > So, yes, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, but > > I'm not "dabbling" in > > something I'm not familiar with. I have no desire to > > go into it as a > > business though, I simply want to save these decks > > I've had fun working on > > and offer them back in really good condition to > > someone who can enjoy them, > > and for a reasonable selling price. I'm sure you do > > run into decks that have > > been messed up by someone not knowing what they are > > doing though, I've seen > > that too. > > > > By the way, as you probably know, if you have broken > > circuit tracks or burnt > > adjacent components because of shoddy work, it > > probably isn't going to take > > six months to show up, you would know it > > immediately. If a customer takes a > > Nak in to have it serviced and they only replace a > > few bad orange polyprops > > in one area, that customer may will be back within > > six months though with > > other problems. Do you routinely replace all these > > caps when a deck is > > brought in with circuit problems, or do you just > > trouble shoot the one > > problem and replace its defective components? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doane > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Nov 12 18:03:21 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:03:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa Now Shipping... In-Reply-To: <43753E27.2040706@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Can't wait to get it! Thanks! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:58 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon IIIa Now Shipping... Hello All, Just a quick update on the Nakathon IIIa project. I had two final unexpected delays. Firstly, my DAW I set up just for the project never worked properly, so I moved the project to my main DAW, so all is now well. Secondly, I had a rush order for eight of my 77D microphone preamps. I shunted the work to an associate who makes "audiophile" valve/tube preamps, thinking that the striaghforward design of the 77D would pose no challenges. Well, he built all of them wrong! So I had to spend two weeks rebuilding them to spec. I may put the whole story on Audiotalk in a few days. CD versions are shipping first; my burner works best at the 2X speed, so it takes about 37 minutes to make one CD. So, I'll be getting about three to five out per day (working it in with my normal two to four hour workday's activities -- start a CD and go off to something else until the CD is done and so on). I've rescheduled some remastering work so that the DAW can be left to making the Nakathon CDs without interruption. Actually, I may use the Nakathon as an excuse to ge tout of the project because I'm not really that enthused about it. Then on to the cassette tape orders. This is the "maiden voyage" of my newly-upgraded DAW, so I'll be quite interested to gauge reaction to the Nakathon CDs. I've spent the last two years working with a programmer to create a CD mastering rig that gives a more analog-like feel to CDs. Now we'll see how well it achieves the mission with the Nakathon IIIa CDs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sat Nov 12 18:59:11 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. References: Message-ID: <000f01c5e7b2$ca6133d0$e700d255@homeduron1300> Looks great. Can someone tell me what a shoutout is? This group knows how dim I am by now. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > Foound this website, and I thought I create a map over NAKTALK. > > So now we can show to each other where we live > > http://www.frappr.com/naks > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sat Nov 12 19:42:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:42:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very neat... on it. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:33 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. Foound this website, and I thought I create a map over NAKTALK. So now we can show to each other where we live http://www.frappr.com/naks With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From britri at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 21:26:52 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:26:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] the final years In-Reply-To: <4375404E.50606@rcn.com> References: <4375404E.50606@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4376500C.4070903@comcast.net> The receiver 1, 2, 3 were made while Nakamichi was making the last of the best. This was around the same time as the cr-7a and the cassette deck 1... , etc. were produced. If possible, you might want to consider getting the receiver 1. A few more features and a lot more power! Somebody suggested considering new, a/v type receivers. are these discrete output circuitry, do they sound good. So much of the a/v stuff out there is kinda mid-fi simply because it is set up to watch fancy television, not a beautiful analog recording. It appears that really good nakamichi production ended around the same time as the last of the cr-t's. haveaniceweekend, Brien From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 12 21:35:53 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:35:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <43753743.402@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001a01c5e7c8$ae4dfff0$7300a8c0@Shaun> So, that begs the question, do you think that the offer is a reasonable one or is it too expensive to take the risk? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 12 November 2005 00:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 Hi Shaun, If he can listen to it then the heads should be fine, as well as the replay electronics and output, so I'd guess a bad Record/Play mode switch (a common fault with 550s) or a fault in its record electronics or Dolby circuits (a bad Dolby PCB connector is another common fault with 550s -- I recently fixed a friend's 550 that didn't record but played and it was the Dolby PCB connector). Buying dead or part dead decks off eBay makes me quite peckish, though; as a whole I never do -- unless I want it for parts for a working unit. Keep in mind that the 550 is a portable 50 in essence; so you could make just as good recordings with a 500 but you'd need access to mains voltage. Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Hmmm, > > Hadn't considered that it might be the record/playback head that may > need replacing. I had kinda thought that it may be some electrical > fault that could be repaired in house. > >>The following is up for sale at $125 and shipping to the UK is $73. >> >>"I Have a Nakmichi 550 that has been in storage for 20 years. I can >>listen to tapes but cannot seem to record. Does it require a special >>tape? Would a manual help and if so how can I find one. I want to put >>this up for sale but >>want to make sure the buyer knows what they are getting." -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ktl at bornet.net Sat Nov 12 21:59:41 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:59:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: <000f01c5e7b2$ca6133d0$e700d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: The idea, I think is to say Hello or something in it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:59 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Looks great. > Can someone tell me what a shoutout is? > This group knows how dim I am by now. > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Larsson" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > Foound this website, and I thought I create a map over NAKTALK. > > > > So now we can show to each other where we live > > > > http://www.frappr.com/naks > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 13 00:25:33 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:25:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c5e7e0$60ed9280$dccb87d9@oemcomputer> I'm trying to add myself but it says "Liverpool" is an invalid city!!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 12 November 2005 10:33 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Foound this website, and I thought I create a map over NAKTALK. > > So now we can show to each other where we live > > http://www.frappr.com/naks > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Nov 13 14:05:28 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:05:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my first CR(4)! Message-ID: <43773A18.9000204@xs4all.nl> Traded my Philips CDD882 cd drive yesterday in a local Audio shop for a Nakamichi CR-4. I didn't use the Philips drive for some time now so it had to go.... The shop sells and buys second hand Audio equipment and were willing to do the trade. The CR-4 looks like new, very clean inside and outside and is also my first deck from the CR series! The first thing that confused me about it they changed the order of the eject/power buttons! Already several times I pressed the power button while wanting to eject a tape... I really don't understand why this is, reminds me of the recent discussion on Nak usability! But it's a nice deck, I like the (simple) calibration, while nothing beats the fullblown ZXL calibration... Wouter From rob at rhoag.com Sun Nov 13 01:43:12 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:43:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: <000901c5e7e0$60ed9280$dccb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I heard that once... (just kidding) :~) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. I'm trying to add myself but it says "Liverpool" is an invalid city!!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 12 November 2005 10:33 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Foound this website, and I thought I create a map over NAKTALK. > > So now we can show to each other where we live > > http://www.frappr.com/naks > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jeff From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 13 15:15:20 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:15:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006b01c5e85c$ae4dd9a0$dccb87d9@oemcomputer> Yes, you would have done ... probably from a Mancunian !!! (Great rivalry between Manchester and Liverpool ...) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 13 November 2005 00:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > I heard that once... (just kidding) :~) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tanya Nelson > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:26 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > I'm trying to add myself but it says "Liverpool" is an invalid city!!! > > Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 13 15:15:23 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:15:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006c01c5e85c$afa52c40$dccb87d9@oemcomputer> I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you can upload them to > the site. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 13 15:15:35 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:15:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Follow-up to Nak service in NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006d01c5e85c$b71d1960$dccb87d9@oemcomputer> Would you like a nice recording of Beethoven's Funeral March to playback on it?! Send it on it's way in a dignified manner ... Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jeff Kernohan > Sent: 13 November 2005 03:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Follow-up to Nak service in NYC > > > Thanks for the suggestions. I spoke to Jeff at ESL and described the > problem. He told me to test the recording capabilities as they find the > electric burning smell is related to the recording electronics > going south. > It would not record. He was nice enough to help me figure this > out without > sending it in for service. I guess the price to replace the > electronics is > too high for me so I will just use it until it dies. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 13 18:02:06 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: <006c01c5e85c$afa52c40$dccb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c5e873$fb314380$7300a8c0@Shaun> Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you can upload > them to the site. From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sun Nov 13 22:13:40 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:13:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] my first CR(4)! Message-ID: <7810c2120efc4b10b9a59ed83a878036.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Congratulations,Wouter!I am glad for you.It is a nice deck but I also prefer 2nd generation nakamichi...I am waiting for my first CR-5 to arrive soon.Regards,Maksim From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: 11/13/2005 5:05:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] my first CR(4)! > Traded my Philips CDD882 cd drive yesterday in a local Audio shop for a > Nakamichi CR-4. I didn't use the Philips drive for some time now so it > had to go.... The shop sells and buys second hand Audio equipment and > were willing to do the trade. The CR-4 looks like new, very clean inside > and outside and is also my first deck from the CR series! > The first thing that confused me about it they changed the order of the > eject/power buttons! Already several times I pressed the power button > while wanting to eject a tape... I really don't understand why this is, > reminds me of the recent discussion on Nak usability! > But it's a nice deck, I like the (simple) calibration, while nothing > beats the fullblown ZXL calibration... > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 13 22:44:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:44:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: <000801c5e873$fb314380$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <002201c5e89b$6e633ee0$3ea287d9@oemcomputer> I didn't get a drop-down list when I tried yesterday. I'll have a go again. G > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 13 November 2005 17:02 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Nelson > Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Nov 14 01:48:28 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:48:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk 550 In-Reply-To: <001a01c5e7c8$ae4dfff0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001a01c5e7c8$ae4dfff0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <4377DEDC.3030007@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > So, that begs the question, do you think that the offer is a reasonable one > or is it too expensive to take the risk? Personally, I'd buy it ONLY to use as a parts supply, OR as the start of a "Frankendeck." Frankendeck? That's where you buy two or more dead (or semi-dead) 550s to then combine into one working unit. Never forget that the 550, 350 and 250 were portable units, So, any old portable deck is likely to have been subjected to greater wear and tear than any similar deck of the same age that merely sat on a shelf or rack and made music for years. This is why you seldom ever see a Nak 550, Nagra, Pentron, Revox A77, Ampex 600, 601, 602; or a Uher that doesn't have some kind of a problem. My guess is that unless you can fix it yourself, you'll end up spending more than $300.00 USD having it repaired. That brings your total stake two $500-ish USD, but consider this: what else are you going to be able to buy for the same price that is portable? A Uher? Only if you're doing nature recording or ENG work. A very-worn out Nagra? No way! One of those flimsy Marantz PMD-series portable cassettes? I've had one, you don't want one. One of the new little portable digital multitrack recorders offered up by Roland, Alesis, Fostex, Edirol, Tascam, or Boss -- most of which do not even record CD quality? No! A thousand times No! So buy it only if you're willing to spend to repair it (or repair it yourself), but not if you're expecting it to be quickly and cheaply repaired. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From al at atd.com.au Mon Nov 14 03:18:08 2005 From: al at atd.com.au (Al Sankauskas) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:48:08 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Rollers Message-ID: <003f01c5e8c1$aac449d0$0400a8c0@ALTOSHI> Can we replace a ZX7 roller with another Nak model roller ? Can anyone supply these ? Sound Regards, Al Sankauskas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 05:17:01 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:17:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. Message-ID: Hi Shaun! I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR MAP...Amazing!!!!! So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Nelson >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you can upload > > them to the site. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamichi at ispwest.com Mon Nov 14 05:38:51 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: <5f73f99e94724684a00e6365696c9eb1.nakamichi@ispwest.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything appears to be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts inside,heads &power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels inside for inspection pre-test performed by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate the front cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part of the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? Regards,Maksim From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Nov 14 05:48:38 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:48:38 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAKTALK Map. (Tanya Nelson) References: <200511131102.jADB0own007513@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000e01c5e8d6$ae524600$0201a8c0@lan> Gra', Did you try 'scouse'???? :o) From ktl at bornet.net Mon Nov 14 09:51:22 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:51:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This should work: If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish Å,Ä and Ö, us A and O instead. Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one in your country. PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't understand the problem. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Hi Shaun! > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > >Shaun > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >Behalf Of Nelson > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > can upload > > > them to the site. > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 09:58:59 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:58:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Hi Maksim! It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the "Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 magazine that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" black one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the "Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the "Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote there that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or Cotton" cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired unit! Be well! ALEX! >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything >appears to >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful >mirror-polished >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts >inside,heads >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from >brass(not >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 >labels >inside for inspection pre-test performed >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as >well.The >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is >lacking >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in >10*11*12 of >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before >1983...The >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think >Nakamichi >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate >the front >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to >customer >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam >gear >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part >of the >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback >only.P.S.We'll >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those >beauties...Any >comments? Regards,Maksim >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 10:02:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:02:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Tomas! Can be that I'm NOT so familiar with this site...now I will try again...& will inform you the result! Thank you again! ALEX! >From: "Tomas Larsson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:51:22 +0100 > >This should work: > >If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. >Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish �,� and �, us >A and O instead. >Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one in >your country. > >PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't understand >the problem. > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > can upload > > > > them to the site. > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 10:45:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:45:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, How To Message-ID: Hi Tomas! Seems me that I succeed!!!! I'm in!!! Thanks, ALEX! >From: "Tomas Larsson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:51:22 +0100 > >This should work: > >If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. >Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish �,� and �, us >A and O instead. >Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one in >your country. > >PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't understand >the problem. > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > can upload > > > > them to the site. > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 14 11:25:06 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:25:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <5f73f99e94724684a00e6365696c9eb1.nakamichi@ispwest.com> References: <5f73f99e94724684a00e6365696c9eb1.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <13212.212.78.164.66.1131963906.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Maksim, Interesting reading. I have a friend who owns a LTD with a serial number only a few digits more then yours, only it is 400xx and not 4000xx. Can you verify the number? I'll ask him about your findings and maybe i can ask him to take some pictures of the internals of his LTD. BTW, on the registration database on Naks.com there are also registered LTD's that have numbers like 800xx, so what the difference here is I don't know.. Wouter > My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > appears to > be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > beautiful mirror-polished > rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts > inside,heads > &power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > brass(not > alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 > labels > inside for inspection pre-test performed > by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as > well.The > front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > lacking > any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > 10*11*12 of > 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before > 1983...The > Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > Nakamichi > made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate > the front > cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > customer > request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam > gear > wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part > of the > deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > only.P.S.We'll > probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > beauties...Any > comments? Regards,Maksim From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Nov 14 11:20:27 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:20:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo References: Message-ID: <017301c5e905$087a0590$0801a8c0@TG> Very nice idea Tomas, good to see all members on this map! Congrats. Tayfur. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > This should work: > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. > Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish Å,Ä and Ö, > us > A and O instead. > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one in > your country. > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't > understand > the problem. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. >> >> >> Hi Shaun! >> >> I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR >> MAP...Amazing!!!!! >> >> So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! >> >> Cheers, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. >> >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 >> > >> >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? >> > >> >Shaun >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> >Behalf Of Nelson >> >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 >> >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. >> > >> > >> >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag >> > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 >> > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum >> > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. >> > > >> > > >> > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you >> can upload >> > > them to the site. >> > >> >========----------------------------------------------------- >> ----========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========----------------------------------------------------- >> ----========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========----------------------------------------------------- >> ----========= >> >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11.11.2005 > > From nakamichi at ispwest.com Mon Nov 14 13:06:32 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:06:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: <45ff92623243486eb3fedf6b8a0c166d.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Hi Wouter, Thanx for your reply.Yes,you're right.The number is 5 digit-40022. To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > Hi Maksim, > > Interesting reading. > I have a friend who owns a LTD with a serial number only a few digits more > then yours, only it is 400xx and not 4000xx. Can you verify the number? > I'll ask him about your findings and maybe i can ask him to take some > pictures of the internals of his LTD. BTW, on the registration database on > Naks.com there are also registered LTD's that have numbers like 800xx, so > what the difference here is I don't know.. > > Wouter > > > My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > > appears to > > be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > > beautiful mirror-polished > > rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts > > inside,heads > > &power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > > brass(not > > alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 > > labels > > inside for inspection pre-test performed > > by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as > > well.The > > front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > > lacking > > any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > > 10*11*12 of > > 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before > > 1983...The > > Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > > Nakamichi > > made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate > > the front > > cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > > customer > > request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam > > gear > > wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part > > of the > > deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > > only.P.S.We'll > > probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > > beauties...Any > > comments? Regards,Maksim > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 14 13:34:54 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5e917$d0fba700$65a887d9@oemcomputer> Yup, I used the "Outside US" link and typed in "Liverpool" .... zilch! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 14 November 2005 08:51 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > This should work: > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. > Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish Å,Ä > and Ö, us > A and O instead. > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one in > your country. > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't > understand > the problem. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > can upload > > > > them to the site. > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ktl at bornet.net Mon Nov 14 13:42:39 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:42:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo In-Reply-To: <000001c5e917$d0fba700$65a887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Does you get a drop-down list when you type Liverpool? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:35 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > Yup, I used the "Outside US" link and typed in "Liverpool" .... zilch! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > > Sent: 14 November 2005 08:51 > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > This should work: > > > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. Type > > yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish > Å,Ä and Ö, us > > A and O instead. > > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, > select the one in > > your country. > > > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't > > understand the problem. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > > can upload > > > > > them to the site. > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > > > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----========= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 14 14:49:59 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:49:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <5f73f99e94724684a00e6365696c9eb1.nakamichi@ispwest.com> References: <5f73f99e94724684a00e6365696c9eb1.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <43789607.5010104@rcn.com> nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything appears to > be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished > rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts inside,heads > &power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not > alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels > inside for inspection pre-test performed by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as well.The > front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking > any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 of > 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before 1983...The > Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi > made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate the front > cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to customer > request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam gear > wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part of the > deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback only.P.S.We'll > probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those beauties...Any > comments? Regards,Maksim As you said, it could be a prototype. But it's also possible the front panel got damaged during its early life and was replaced with a stock front panel. --Ron From rob at rhoag.com Mon Nov 14 16:50:28 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:50:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <5f73f99e94724684a00e6365696c9eb1.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: Could you upload some pix here... would love to see it Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything appears to be Limited inside & outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished rosewood case & the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts inside,heads & power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels inside for inspection pre-test performed by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan & arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate the front cover for more glitz & bliss...Or they could change front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically new & had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording & RAMM part of the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of designing & manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? 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G > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 13 November 2005 17:02 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Nelson > Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Nov 14 16:59:53 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and am sure otheres would too. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi Maksim! It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the "Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 magazine that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" black one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the "Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the "Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote there that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or Cotton" cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired unit! Be well! ALEX! >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything >appears to >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful >mirror-polished >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts >inside,heads >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from >brass(not >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 >labels >inside for inspection pre-test performed >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as >well.The >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is >lacking >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in >10*11*12 of >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before >1983...The >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think >Nakamichi >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate >the front >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to >customer >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam >gear >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part >of the >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback >only.P.S.We'll >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those >beauties...Any >comments? 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How about a near by city, then see if you can choose yours, or if not, use the near by one and in your shout out comments tell everyone you are just haveing lunch there and that you actually live in Liverpool? :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo Yup, I used the "Outside US" link and typed in "Liverpool" .... zilch! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 14 November 2005 08:51 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > This should work: > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. > Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish Å,Ä > and Ö, us > A and O instead. > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one in > your country. > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't > understand > the problem. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > can upload > > > > them to the site. > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 14 22:07:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:07:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c5e95f$6d3b60a0$73a187d9@oemcomputer> Nope. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 14 November 2005 12:43 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > Does you get a drop-down list when you type Liverpool? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:35 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > Yup, I used the "Outside US" link and typed in "Liverpool" .... zilch! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > > > Sent: 14 November 2005 08:51 > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > > > > This should work: > > > > > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. Type > > > yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish > > Å,Ä and Ö, us > > > A and O instead. > > > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, > > select the one in > > > your country. > > > > > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't > > > understand the problem. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > > > can upload > > > > > > them to the site. > > > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your > > > > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jkernohan at KrollWorldwide.com Tue Nov 15 00:15:16 2005 From: jkernohan at KrollWorldwide.com (Kernohan, Jeff) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:15:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi 680 zx different problems Message-ID: I picked up a replacement deck for the 680 zx I spoke about last week that would not record. The new deck was an even better deal and came with the rack handles and remote control unit; however, I am having new problems with this one. This one starts out playing great then about 5-10 seconds in it is almost like it has been muted. The soundstage collapses and everything sounds like a cheap walkman i.e. no dynamics, no highs, no lows just blah. I am assuming it is either belts or motors. I can stop it and start it again repeatedly with the same results. Plays great for a bit then just goes away. I obviously have the other unit still as a parts unit so I figured I would check to see if anyone might point me in the right direction. Thanks, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 15 04:06:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:06:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo Message-ID: Hi Gra' Don't worry...with me I ONLY found Jerusalem...the ONLY CITY in Israel! I really DON'T live in Jerusalem...but NO other alternatives! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0000 > >Yup, I used the "Outside US" link and typed in "Liverpool" .... zilch! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > > Sent: 14 November 2005 08:51 > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > This should work: > > > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. > > Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish �,� > > and �, us > > A and O instead. > > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, select the one >in > > your country. > > > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, so I can't > > understand > > the problem. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST IN THEIR > > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > > can upload > > > > > them to the site. > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----========= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 15 04:15:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:15:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Hi Doane! Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my "Week" with me 1000ZXL? I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are today?????That is an a BIG question! Or you try to say me something else? Have a nice day; ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > >Alex: >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and am sure >otheres would too. > >Thanks, >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Maksim! > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 >magazine >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" black >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote >there >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or >Cotton" >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired >unit! > >Be well! > >ALEX! > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > >appears to > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same >beautiful > >mirror-polished > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts > >inside,heads > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > >brass(not > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 > >labels > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black >as > >well.The > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > >lacking > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > >10*11*12 of > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long >before > >1983...The > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > >Nakamichi > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to >gold-plate > >the front > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > >customer > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck >cam > >gear > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part > >of the > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > >only.P.S.We'll > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > >beauties...Any > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Nov 15 02:50:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:50:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 In-Reply-To: <4378F695.5040505@cox.net> References: <4378F695.5040505@cox.net> Message-ID: <43793EFE.2030803@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Neil, Neil Sturtevant wrote: > > So buy it only if you're willing to spend to repair it (or repair it > yourself), but not if you're expecting it to be quickly and cheaply > repaired. > **************************************************** > here's my $0.02: > > i own a 550 that needs some help as well as a CR7A that does not. been seeing 550's go for around $50US on ebay lately. definately worth the investment to me to get my 550 back to life. fortunately i know enough about electronics to do the work myself and my problems are a broken cassette door and minor tune-up. > > as to the portable replacement options, i myself run a Marantz PMD 671 - it is a compact flash recorder... I bought the very same Marantz PMD 671, thinking I'd save the weight and expense of maintaining the Nak 550 in the field. In all honesty, I couldn't stand the sound of the Marantz PMD 671, so I took it back to the dealer for a full refund. They insisted I try a second one in case it had developed a problem. The decond one was just as awful sounding, so I got my refund. Quiet, yes, with seemingly little distortion; but overall I found it too harsh-sounding with little sense of ambience or depth. Its sound was more reminiscent of MP3s encoded at the highest bandwidth. The only thing I can imagine using it for is live spoken word recording or for quick-and-dirty bad rehearsal recordings where sound quality isn't important, but my use is for either nature recording or live music. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ktl at bornet.net Tue Nov 15 09:30:30 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:30:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo In-Reply-To: <003901c5e95f$6d3b60a0$73a187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Strange, I'm getting it. What browser are you using? Contact them, and ask them why. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:08 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > Nope. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > > Sent: 14 November 2005 12:43 > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > Does you get a drop-down list when you type Liverpool? > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > Behalf Of Nelson > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:35 PM > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > > > > Yup, I used the "Outside US" link and typed in "Liverpool" .... > > > zilch! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > > > > Sent: 14 November 2005 08:51 > > > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map, HowTo > > > > > > > > > > > > This should work: > > > > > > > > If you live Outside US (Like Me), click the "Outside US" link. > > > > Type yor city, do not use strange characters like the Swedish > > > Å,Ä and Ö, us > > > > A and O instead. > > > > Then a drop down list is displayed with possible cities, > > > select the one in > > > > your country. > > > > > > > > PS. When I entered Jerusalem, it showed up in Israel, > so I can't > > > > understand the problem. > > > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > > Sweden > > > > > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:17 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shaun! > > > > > > > > > > I tried...and surprise..for Goggle Israel DON'T EXIST > IN THEIR > > > > > MAP...Amazing!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > So for now i decided NOT to add my name on it!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Have you tried the drop down list of non-US places? > > > > > > > > > > > >Shaun > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > > > > >Behalf Of Nelson > > > > > >Sent: 13 November 2005 14:15 > > > > > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would if I could get the b###d to recognise my city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > > > > > > Sent: 13 November 2005 01:05 > > > > > > > To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hay you guys... how about some pix? It's real easy, you > > > > > can upload > > > > > > > them to the site. > > > > > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > > >http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your > > > > > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ---========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ---========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > > > > account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Nov 15 13:27:30 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:27:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! References: Message-ID: <01c101c5e9df$f29929f0$0801a8c0@TG> Maksim, Do you have the service manual scanned?? Appreciate any help from rest members as well. Thanks and best regards, Tayfur -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything appears to be Limited inside & outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished rosewood case & the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts inside,heads & power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels inside for inspection pre-test performed by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan & arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate the front cover for more glitz & bliss...Or they could change front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically new & had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording & RAMM part of the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of designing & manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? Regards,Maksim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 15:36:57 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:36:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A really nice, reconditioned, ZX-7 available - everything works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051115143657.63452.qmail@web54514.mail.yahoo.com> Have you sold your ZX-7 yet? I am interested. John --- Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, everyone: > I don't know if you have all followed some of my > posts, but I'm the one that > was asking all the questions about my Naks and I > ramble a lot... so I'll > ramble a bit more, or you can skip down a paragraph > past this next one. :~) > > I had bought an LX-5 on Ebay and besides finding > that it wasn't working very > well, I decided that what I really wanted was my old > familiar ZX-7 (I had > one back in the 80's), so I bought one on Ebay for > about $300 with the > shipping, but then found that it also wasn't in very > good shape. The heads > and rollers looked like they had never been cleaned > and the azimuth and > levels and bias controls looked like they had never > been used... the knobs > would hardly turn. When adjusted, the azimuth and > bias and threshold could > not be setup correctly and the channels in Dolby > were uneven. About then I > found this wonderful Nak forum and got lots of help. > I also found another > ZX-7 on Ebay, in very good condition, that Steven > Sanks had gone though just > a couple of years ago, he had replaced all the > orange caps, tested and > adjusted everything. So, I bought it too. I bought a > service manual, took > the bad deck apart, Deoxit cleaned all the control > pots and switches, and > ProGold treated them, and then replaced all the > polypropylene capacitors, > about 25 of them, using the Sanks deck as a > comparison model for the fine > work he does. I then fired it up and.. wow! it is > working beautifully now! > > I have checked all controls on this ZX-7. Everything > works beautifully and > the sound is that amazing ZX-7. The azimuth, > threshold, and bias adjustments > all work flawlessly, for all tape types, and the > Dolby B and C are > source/tape identical when recording. Noise floor is > extremely low, even > without Dolby. All the transport controls work.. the > only thing I have > noticed is a very small bit of chatter when the tape > comes to the end in > fast forward or rewind, but I've been told this is > not uncommon for the ZX-7 > and the ZX-9. The memory returns work, the slow and > extra slow speed cue > feature works (I love this), the fader, record mute, > etc. The ouput controls > are quite, as are the record levels. Cassette door > opens slowley. Everything > works beautifully and smoothly now. I've never used > the timer, but if some > one is interested, I'll check it out too. > Cosmetically, the deck is in > excellent condition, no major scratches; knobs show > no wear, it looks very, > very good. I took some good photos, including clear > close ups, which I can > send. I have a copy of the users manual for it, > along with copies of the > 1982 Audio review of it. > Serial number is: #A12408880 > > So, I'm selling this, and thought I would approach > you here first. I'm > asking $400 for it, which I think is a very fair > price; so if any one is > interested, please contact me: > rob(the-typical-AT-symbol)rhoag.com I can > ship just about anywhere that they will let me ship > from the USA, so that's > no problem, just be aware that you may have some > import duty, etc., we can > chck on this. I hope this will end up with some one > that appreciates the > Nakamichi line as much as I do. > > I'm next going to fix up the LX-5 and do an orange > cap replacement on it and > will also have it available. > > All the best, > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From ebm at ireland.com Tue Nov 15 15:45:07 2005 From: ebm at ireland.com (shane crowe) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:45:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Nak problem (and solution) Message-ID: <20051115144507.CB019671C0@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hi All, Here's a strange problem (and possibly stranger solution). Last night I put a cassette (C90, type II, ~5 years old, I think never played before) in my Nak Cassette Deck 1. The tape was at the very beginning of side A. I pressed play, and it played for a few seconds, then just stopped, and the LCD displayed the string "Err". I'm pretty sure I noticed that while it was playing, the Tape Counter was increasing abnormally fast. I tried to eject the cassette, but the door was locked. I powered the deck off, and tried eject again, but still the door wouldn't open. Only when I powered on again was I able to eject the cassette. I tried the whole process again, with the same result. I then put the cassette into my Yamaha (KX-393)deck, and it played fine. I inspected the cassette and the spools had a very free movement, and all the bits seemed to be in place. Worried that my Nak had just died I played some other cassettes on it, and they played fine, so it just seemed to be a problem with this one tape. I asked a friend for some advice, and was recommended to rewind and FF the tape a few times to eliminate any possible kinks (and align the tape tension to my Nak also presumably...). This I did, but the problem didn't go away. Then, just googling, I came across a few people who suggested that giving the tape a firm tap (on each side of it's body) might be of help. And it did! I gave it a solid rap on both sides, and it now plays fine. I've come across a few (conflicting) theories as to what this tapping action actually cured: 1) It fixed a 'bind' issue. My understanding is that bind is when the tape is misaligned on it's spools, and can rub against the sliders inside the shell. But wouldn't this mean that the spools would be stiff? This was not the case with my tape. Have I misunderstood what 'bind' means and actually manifests itself physically as? 2) The tape was too tightly wound on it's spool 3) The tape was too loosely wound on it's spool So I guess my questions are: 1) What does "Err" mean on a Nak (Cassette Deck 1) LCD, and has anyone else ever come across it? (It's not mentioned in the manual) 2) What was the actual problem that the tapping fixed? 3) Why did this issue not appear on my Yamaha ? Is it a Nak safety feature of some sort, to not play tapes which it feels are bad in some way? And why could I not open the door after I had powered down? Thanks for any help. All the best! Shane From markku.karppinen at mail.suomi.net Tue Nov 15 16:50:45 2005 From: markku.karppinen at mail.suomi.net (Markku Karppinen) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:50:45 +0200 Subject: Vs: [naktalk] Interesting Nak problem (and solution) In-Reply-To: <20051115144507.CB019671C0@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051115144507.CB019671C0@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Hello, In the beginning the name Nakamichi meant quality and easy use to me. Well, I bought the following equipment: Amplifier 1, Tuner 2, CDPlayer 2 and CassetteDeck 1. Then I bought Amplifier/Tuner AV-10 and DVDPlayer DVD-10. Now I am troubled with the technical quality of this equipment. First I had problems with the amplifier. I sold it and the tuner out. Then I lost the dvd-player because of the shortage of repair parts. Now I've lost the remote control of AV-10. Today I received a response from Japan. A poor copy of the codes of the remote control - IN JAPANESE. The next step surely is that I'll sell out the whole Nakamichi and instead of it buy Pioneer. Best regards Markku Karppinen from Finland ----- Alkuperäinen viesti ----- Lähettäjä: shane crowe Päivämäärä: Tiistai, Marraskuu 15, 2005 4:45 pm Otsikko: [naktalk] Interesting Nak problem (and solution) > Hi All, > > Here's a strange problem (and possibly stranger solution). > > Last night I put a cassette (C90, type II, ~5 years old, I think never > played before) in my Nak Cassette Deck 1. The tape was at the very > beginning of side A. > > I pressed play, and it played for a few seconds, then just stopped, > and the LCD displayed the string "Err". I'm pretty sure I noticed that > while it was playing, the Tape Counter was increasing abnormally fast. > > I tried to eject the cassette, but the door was locked. I powered > the deck > off, and tried eject again, but still the door wouldn't open. Only > when I powered on again was I able to eject the cassette. > > I tried the whole process again, with the same result. > I then put the cassette into my Yamaha (KX-393)deck, and it played > fine. > I inspected the cassette and the spools had a very free movement, > and all > the bits seemed to be in place. > > Worried that my Nak had just died I played some other cassettes on > it, and they > played fine, so it just seemed to be a problem with this one tape. > > I asked a friend for some advice, and was recommended to rewind > and FF > the tape a few times to eliminate any possible kinks (and align > the tape tension > to my Nak also presumably...). This I did, but the problem didn't > go away. > > Then, just googling, I came across a few people who suggested that > giving the > tape a firm tap (on each side of it's body) might be of help. And > it did! > I gave it a solid rap on both sides, and it now plays fine. I've > come across a > few (conflicting) theories as to what this tapping action actually > cured: > 1) It fixed a 'bind' issue. My understanding is that bind is when > the tape is > misaligned on it's spools, and can rub against the sliders inside > the shell. But > wouldn't this mean that the spools would be stiff? This was not > the case with my > tape. Have I misunderstood what 'bind' means and actually > manifests itself physically as? > > 2) The tape was too tightly wound on it's spool > > 3) The tape was too loosely wound on it's spool > > So I guess my questions are: > > 1) What does "Err" mean on a Nak (Cassette Deck 1) LCD, and has anyone > else ever come across it? (It's not mentioned in the manual) > > 2) What was the actual problem that the tapping fixed? > > 3) Why did this issue not appear on my Yamaha ? Is it a Nak safety > feature of some sort, to not play tapes which it feels are bad in > some way? > And why could I not open the door after I had powered down? > > Thanks for any help. All the best! > > Shane > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Tue Nov 15 16:48:02 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:48:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures from the "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, or post the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure others would be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really neat. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi Doane! Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my "Week" with me 1000ZXL? I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are today?????That is an a BIG question! Or you try to say me something else? Have a nice day; ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > >Alex: >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and am sure >otheres would too. > >Thanks, >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Maksim! > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 >magazine >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" black >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote >there >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or >Cotton" >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired >unit! > >Be well! > >ALEX! > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > >appears to > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same >beautiful > >mirror-polished > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts > >inside,heads > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > >brass(not > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 > >labels > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black >as > >well.The > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > >lacking > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > >10*11*12 of > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long >before > >1983...The > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > >Nakamichi > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to >gold-plate > >the front > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > >customer > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck >cam > >gear > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part > >of the > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > >only.P.S.We'll > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > >beauties...Any > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 19:41:54 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051115184154.41501.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > from the > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > or post > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > others would > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > neat. > > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > Hi Doane! > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > "Week" with > me 1000ZXL? > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > Or you try to say me something else? > > Have a nice day; > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > >Alex: > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > am sure > >otheres would too. > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > ALL the > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > 1982 > >magazine > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > "Normal" black > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > the > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > in the > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > wrote > >there > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > if I > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > "Somewhere'....!!!), > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > better > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > was > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > or > >Cotton" > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > stop > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > Mk-2 CD > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > acquired > >unit! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > black...Everything > > >appears to > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > same > >beautiful > > >mirror-polished > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > contacts > > >inside,heads > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > made from > > >brass(not > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > alumite).There are 3 > > >labels > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > are black > >as > > >well.The > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > door is > > >lacking > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > made in > > >10*11*12 of > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > long > >before > > >1983...The > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > issue.I think > > >Nakamichi > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > >gold-plate > > >the front > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > due to > > >customer > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > stuck > >cam > > >gear > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > &RAMM part > > >of the > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > playback > > >only.P.S.We'll > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > &manufacturing those > > >beauties...Any > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > === message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Hoag;Doane > FN:Doane Hoag > ORG:Doane Design > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > Sea;CA;93921;United States > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > tates > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > America > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > REV:20040418T151049Z > END:VCARD > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 15 22:12:50 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:12:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi 680 zx different problems Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DBC6@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Hi Jeff, check your capstain belt for slack and also check if both pinch rollers are engaging when you press play, it could be hardened grease on the shafts of the pinch rollers. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kernohan, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi 680 zx different problems I picked up a replacement deck for the 680 zx I spoke about last week that would not record. The new deck was an even better deal and came with the rack handles and remote control unit; however, I am having new problems with this one. This one starts out playing great then about 5-10 seconds in it is almost like it has been muted. The soundstage collapses and everything sounds like a cheap walkman i.e. no dynamics, no highs, no lows just blah. I am assuming it is either belts or motors. I can stop it and start it again repeatedly with the same results. Plays great for a bit then just goes away. I obviously have the other unit still as a parts unit so I figured I would check to see if anyone might point me in the right direction. Thanks, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 16 00:10:00 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:10:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c5ea39$b423aec0$bdbe87d9@oemcomputer> At last, it's worked for me!! (I am using Mozilla Firefox ...) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 12 November 2005 10:33 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK Map. > > > Foound this website, and I thought I create a map over NAKTALK. > > So now we can show to each other where we live > > http://www.frappr.com/naks > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 15 17:30:34 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:30:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Dear Doane! Will take a while, as I'm a little bit ill. Maybe Bala has the same brochure...and trough this reply, I want to ask Bala if he have one to scan for me the brochure. Doane...I don't have scanner, I can make digitally photos and send you directly to your E-mail. How to post to our group...really my son knows...but...he is now traveling for near a year...so don't ask me to do things with my computer, as I'm completely Idiot on this matter!....Sorry!!! Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:48:02 -0800 > > >The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures from the >"Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, or post >the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure others would >be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really neat. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Doane! > >Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my "Week" >with >me 1000ZXL? > >I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are >today?????That is an a BIG question! > >Or you try to say me something else? > >Have a nice day; > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > >Alex: > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and am sure > >otheres would too. > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 > >magazine > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" >black > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote > >there > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or > >Cotton" > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired > >unit! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > > >appears to > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > >beautiful > > >mirror-polished > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All >contacts > > >inside,heads > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > > >brass(not > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are >3 > > >labels > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black > >as > > >well.The > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > > >lacking > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > > >10*11*12 of > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long > >before > > >1983...The > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > > >Nakamichi > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > >gold-plate > > >the front > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > > >customer > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck > >cam > > >gear > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM >part > > >of the > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > > >only.P.S.We'll > > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > > >beauties...Any > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamichi at ispwest.com Tue Nov 15 21:11:07 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:11:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: <282a1ec0cfad4f18ba151dfd01e8a1cc.nakamichi@ispwest.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Tayfur, Not yet...Can you provide a link to it?Thanx in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] Sent: 11/15/2005 4:27:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Maksim, Do you have the service manual scanned?? Appreciate any help from rest members as well. Thanks and best regards, Tayfur -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of [mailto:nakamichi at ispwest.com]nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:39 PM To: [mailto:naktalk at naks.com]naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything appears to be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts inside,heads &power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels inside for inspection pre-test performed by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate the front cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part of the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? Regards,Maksim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 16 03:35:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:35:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Thank you so much Scott! The final results will be much better that making digitally photos of each page as I intended when I will be well! Please Scott write, where to found also the "Normal Black" 1000ZXL one please...? Be well always, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) > >The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. >http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > > from the > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > > or post > > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > > others would > > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > > neat. > > > > Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > Hi Doane! > > > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > > "Week" with > > me 1000ZXL? > > > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > > Or you try to say me something else? > > > > Have a nice day; > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > >Alex: > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > > am sure > > >otheres would too. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Doane > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > > ALL the > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > > 1982 > > >magazine > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > > "Normal" black > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > > the > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > > in the > > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > > wrote > > >there > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > > if I > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > > better > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > > was > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > > or > > >Cotton" > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > > stop > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > > Mk-2 CD > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > > acquired > > >unit! > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > > black...Everything > > > >appears to > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > > same > > >beautiful > > > >mirror-polished > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > > contacts > > > >inside,heads > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > > made from > > > >brass(not > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > > alumite).There are 3 > > > >labels > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > > are black > > >as > > > >well.The > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > > door is > > > >lacking > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > > made in > > > >10*11*12 of > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > > long > > >before > > > >1983...The > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > > issue.I think > > > >Nakamichi > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > >gold-plate > > > >the front > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > > due to > > > >customer > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > > stuck > > >cam > > > >gear > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > > &RAMM part > > > >of the > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > > playback > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > > &manufacturing those > > > >beauties...Any > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >=== message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > > VERSION:2.1 > > N:Hoag;Doane > > FN:Doane Hoag > > ORG:Doane Design > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > tates > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > > America > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > END:VCARD > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 16 03:40:05 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:40:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Hi Scott again! Yes; is the same brochure that I have, the scan it's very bad...very "Un sharp"...but better that nothing! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) > >The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. >http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > > from the > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > > or post > > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > > others would > > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > > neat. > > > > Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > Hi Doane! > > > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > > "Week" with > > me 1000ZXL? > > > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > > Or you try to say me something else? > > > > Have a nice day; > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > >Alex: > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > > am sure > > >otheres would too. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Doane > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > > ALL the > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > > 1982 > > >magazine > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > > "Normal" black > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > > the > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > > in the > > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > > wrote > > >there > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > > if I > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > > better > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > > was > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > > or > > >Cotton" > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > > stop > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > > Mk-2 CD > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > > acquired > > >unit! > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > > black...Everything > > > >appears to > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > > same > > >beautiful > > > >mirror-polished > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > > contacts > > > >inside,heads > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > > made from > > > >brass(not > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > > alumite).There are 3 > > > >labels > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > > are black > > >as > > > >well.The > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > > door is > > > >lacking > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > > made in > > > >10*11*12 of > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > > long > > >before > > > >1983...The > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > > issue.I think > > > >Nakamichi > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > >gold-plate > > > >the front > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > > due to > > > >customer > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > > stuck > > >cam > > > >gear > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > > &RAMM part > > > >of the > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > > playback > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > > &manufacturing those > > > >beauties...Any > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >=== message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > > VERSION:2.1 > > N:Hoag;Doane > > FN:Doane Hoag > > ORG:Doane Design > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > tates > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > > America > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > END:VCARD > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Nov 16 09:48:04 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:48:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! References: <282a1ec0cfad4f18ba151dfd01e8a1cc.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <004601c5ea8a$75496d60$0801a8c0@TG> Maksim, You can send the manual anytime to below email ; salihdemir2 at yahoo.com Thanks very much for your efforts. Best regards, Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: nakamichi at ispwest.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Tayfur, Not yet...Can you provide a link to it?Thanx in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] Sent: 11/15/2005 4:27:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Maksim, Do you have the service manual scanned?? Appreciate any help from rest members as well. Thanks and best regards, Tayfur -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything appears to be Limited inside & outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished rosewood case & the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts inside,heads & power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels inside for inspection pre-test performed by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan & arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate the front cover for more glitz & bliss...Or they could change front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically new & had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording & RAMM part of the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of designing & manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? 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(In FFX, "view picture") Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Scott again! > > Yes; is the same brochure that I have, the scan it's very bad...very > "Un sharp"...but better that nothing! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Scott Johnson >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) >> >> The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. >> http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm >> SJ >> >> --- Doane Hoag wrote: >> >> > >> > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures >> > from the >> > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, >> > or post >> > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure >> > others would >> > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really >> > neat. >> > >> > Doane >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >> > >> > >> > Hi Doane! >> > >> > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my >> > "Week" with >> > me 1000ZXL? >> > >> > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are >> > today?????That is an a BIG question! >> > >> > Or you try to say me something else? >> > >> > Have a nice day; >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: "Doane Hoag" >> > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> > Decks >> > > >> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >> > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 >> > > >> > >Alex: >> > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and >> > am sure >> > >otheres would too. >> > > >> > >Thanks, >> > >Doane >> > > >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM >> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >> > > >> > > >> > >Hi Maksim! >> > > >> > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as >> > ALL the >> > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same >> > 1982 >> > >magazine >> > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the >> > "Normal" black >> > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own >> > the >> > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo >> > in the >> > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically >> > wrote >> > >there >> > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & >> > if I >> > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's >> > "Somewhere'....!!!), >> > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much >> > better >> > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + >> > was >> > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint >> > or >> > >Cotton" >> > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. >> > > >> > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week >> > stop >> > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 >> > Mk-2 CD >> > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. >> > > >> > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new >> > acquired >> > >unit! >> > > >> > >Be well! >> > > >> > >ALEX! >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" >> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >> > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 >> > > > >> > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is >> > black...Everything >> > > >appears to >> > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the >> > same >> > >beautiful >> > > >mirror-polished >> > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All >> > contacts >> > > >inside,heads >> > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is >> > made from >> > > >brass(not >> > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black >> > alumite).There are 3 >> > > >labels >> > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed >> > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& >> > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism >> > are black >> > >as >> > > >well.The >> > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette >> > door is >> > > >lacking >> > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was >> > made in >> > > >10*11*12 of >> > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed >> > long >> > >before >> > > >1983...The >> > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 >> > issue.I think >> > > >Nakamichi >> > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to >> > >gold-plate >> > > >the front >> > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels >> > due to >> > > >customer >> > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with >> > stuck >> > >cam >> > > >gear >> > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording >> > &RAMM part >> > > >of the >> > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for >> > playback >> > > >only.P.S.We'll >> > > >probably never know the whole history of designing >> > &manufacturing those >> > > >beauties...Any >> > > >comments? 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FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >> http://farechase.yahoo.com >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 16 14:07:05 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <004601c5ea8a$75496d60$0801a8c0@TG> References: <282a1ec0cfad4f18ba151dfd01e8a1cc.nakamichi@ispwest.com> <004601c5ea8a$75496d60$0801a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <437B2EF9.7070408@rcn.com> Maksim, While you're at it, I'll appreciate it if you send a copy to me, too. I am curious to see it. TIA. -- Ron Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Maksim, > > You can send the manual anytime to below email ; > > salihdemir2 at yahoo.com > > Thanks very much for your efforts. Best regards, > Tayfur > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* nakamichi at ispwest.com > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:11 PM > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > Tayfur, > Not yet...Can you provide a link to it?Thanx in advance. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] > *Sent:* 11/15/2005 4:27:30 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > Maksim, > > Do you have the service manual scanned?? > > Appreciate any help from rest members as well. > > Thanks and best regards, > Tayfur > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of > *nakamichi at ispwest.com > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:39 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > black...Everything appears to be Limited inside & outside,except > the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished > rosewood case & the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > contacts inside,heads & power supply heat sink are also > gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport > chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels > inside for inspection pre-test performed > by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular > 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent > mechanism/double capstan & arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 > of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited > existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl > limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first > tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate > the front cover for more glitz & bliss...Or they could change > front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically > new & had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up > grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording & RAMM part of > the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of > designing & manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? > Regards,Maksim > From nakamichi at ispwest.com Wed Nov 16 14:16:54 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:16:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: <788b5ad4beb44319be5737859e3ffb02.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Hi Alex! Thank you so much for kind words...It is too bad that you decided to sell your ZXl...but you have a beautiful Dragon now.I know you're addicted to it.Regards,Maksim From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 11/14/2005 12:58:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > Hi Maksim! > > It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the > "Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 magazine > that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" black > one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the > "Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the > "Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote there > that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I > remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), > the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better > finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was > included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or Cotton" > cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop > functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD > player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired > unit! > > Be well! > > ALEX! > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > >appears to > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same beautiful > >mirror-polished > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All contacts > >inside,heads > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > >brass(not > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 > >labels > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black as > >well.The > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > >lacking > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > >10*11*12 of > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long before > >1983...The > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > >Nakamichi > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate > >the front > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > >customer > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck cam > >gear > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM part > >of the > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > >only.P.S.We'll > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > >beauties...Any > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Wed Nov 16 16:45:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:45:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Scott Yes, it is a poor scan, but it sure looks amazing, from what I can make out. I guess, at $8,000 they could afford some fancy books on thier pet deck! Looks like the brochure printing on the cover was gold leaf too. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi Scott again! Yes; is the same brochure that I have, the scan it's very bad...very "Un sharp"...but better that nothing! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) > >The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. >http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > > from the > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > > or post > > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > > others would > > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > > neat. > > > > Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > Hi Doane! > > > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > > "Week" with > > me 1000ZXL? > > > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > > Or you try to say me something else? > > > > Have a nice day; > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > >Alex: > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > > am sure > > >otheres would too. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Doane > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > > ALL the > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > > 1982 > > >magazine > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > > "Normal" black > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > > the > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > > in the > > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > > wrote > > >there > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > > if I > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > > better > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > > was > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > > or > > >Cotton" > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > > stop > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > > Mk-2 CD > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > > acquired > > >unit! > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > > black...Everything > > > >appears to > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > > same > > >beautiful > > > >mirror-polished > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > > contacts > > > >inside,heads > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > > made from > > > >brass(not > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > > alumite).There are 3 > > > >labels > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > > are black > > >as > > > >well.The > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > > door is > > > >lacking > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > > made in > > > >10*11*12 of > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > > long > > >before > > > >1983...The > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > > issue.I think > > > >Nakamichi > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > >gold-plate > > > >the front > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > > due to > > > >customer > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > > stuck > > >cam > > > >gear > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > > &RAMM part > > > >of the > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > > playback > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > > &manufacturing those > > > >beauties...Any > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >=== message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > > VERSION:2.1 > > N:Hoag;Doane > > FN:Doane Hoag > > ORG:Doane Design > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > tates > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > > America > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > END:VCARD > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Nov 16 16:55:37 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:55:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <437B2EF9.7070408@rcn.com> Message-ID: Maybe Maksim could get it sent to Thomas so he can have it on his site of Nak manuals. He has the owners manual for the ZXL1000, but not the service manual. Doane ********************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:07 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Maksim, While you're at it, I'll appreciate it if you send a copy to me, too. I am curious to see it. TIA. -- Ron Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Maksim, > > You can send the manual anytime to below email ; > > salihdemir2 at yahoo.com > > Thanks very much for your efforts. Best regards, > Tayfur > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* nakamichi at ispwest.com > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:11 PM > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > Tayfur, > Not yet...Can you provide a link to it?Thanx in advance. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] > *Sent:* 11/15/2005 4:27:30 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > Maksim, > > Do you have the service manual scanned?? > > Appreciate any help from rest members as well. > > Thanks and best regards, > Tayfur > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of > *nakamichi at ispwest.com > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:39 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > black...Everything appears to be Limited inside & outside,except > the front panel.It has the same beautiful mirror-polished > rosewood case & the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > contacts inside,heads & power supply heat sink are also > gold-plated.The flywheel is made from brass(not alloy).Transport > chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are 3 labels > inside for inspection pre-test performed > by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > are black as well.The front panel is exactly the same as regular > 1000zxl but cassette door is lacking any signs(Silent > mechanism/double capstan & arrow sign).It was made in 10*11*12 > of 1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited > existed long before 1983...The Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl > limited in September 1982 issue.I think Nakamichi made first > tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to gold-plate > the front cover for more glitz & bliss...Or they could change > front panels due to customer request...The deck is practically > new & had the same problem with stuck cam gear wheel(dried-up > grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording & RAMM part of > the deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > playback only.P.S.We'll probably never know the whole history of > designing & manufacturing those beauties...Any comments? > Regards,Maksim > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 16 17:11:39 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:11:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437B5A3B.3010303@yahoo.ca> Not if you look at the pictures directly: http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Cover.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_ONE.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_TWO.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_THREE.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_FOUR.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_FIVE.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_SIX.jpg They are resized in the htm file. Doane Hoag a écrit : > Thanks, Scott > Yes, it is a poor scan, but it sure looks amazing, from what I can make out. > I guess, at $8,000 they could afford some fancy books on thier pet deck! > Looks like the brochure printing on the cover was gold leaf too. :~) > > Doane > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 16 17:12:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:12:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: My dear Maksim! It's true...when works REALLY record and of course play back BETTER that my today gifted Dragon, but from here israel during the middle 90ties, I don't knew any "Official Nak repair Lab"m here in Israel...NEVER exist...and send such big/heavy unit outside Israel; US per example was well outside my pocket...so...I decided to "Exchanged" by my presently in use CD Philips player; what happen to the 1000ZXL really I don't know...gone from my mind for EVER!!!!. Really Pity! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:16:54 -0800 > >Hi Alex! Thank you so much for kind words...It is too bad that you decided >to sell your ZXl...but you have a beautiful Dragon now.I know you're >addicted to it.Regards,Maksim >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 11/14/2005 12:58:59 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > Hi Maksim! > > > > It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL >the > > "Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 >magazine > > that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" >black > > one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the > > "Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote >there > > that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I > > remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's >"Somewhere'....!!!), > > the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better > > finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was > > included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or >Cotton" > > cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop > > functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD > > player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired > > unit! > > > > Be well! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > > >appears to > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same >beautiful > > >mirror-polished > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All >contacts > > >inside,heads > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > > >brass(not > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are >3 > > >labels > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black >as > > >well.The > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > > >lacking > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > > >10*11*12 of > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long >before > > >1983...The > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > > >Nakamichi > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to >gold-plate > > >the front > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > > >customer > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck >cam > > >gear > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM >part > > >of the > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > > >only.P.S.We'll > > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > > >beauties...Any > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 16 17:17:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:17:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Hi Doane! Yes you are right...the cover name is also "Golden"! PS...did you received my digitally photos...of the "Black" one brochure & "Audio" magazine 1982 review on the "Golden" LTD one? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:45:35 -0800 > >Thanks, Scott >Yes, it is a poor scan, but it sure looks amazing, from what I can make >out. >I guess, at $8,000 they could afford some fancy books on thier pet deck! >Looks like the brochure printing on the cover was gold leaf too. :~) > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:40 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Scott again! > >Yes; is the same brochure that I have, the scan it's very bad...very "Un >sharp"...but better that nothing! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) > > > >The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. > >http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > > > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > > > from the > > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > > > or post > > > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > > > others would > > > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > > > neat. > > > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > > Hi Doane! > > > > > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > > > "Week" with > > > me 1000ZXL? > > > > > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > > > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > > > > Or you try to say me something else? > > > > > > Have a nice day; > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks > > > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > > > >Alex: > > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > > > am sure > > > >otheres would too. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > > > ALL the > > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > > > 1982 > > > >magazine > > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > > > "Normal" black > > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > > > the > > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > > > in the > > > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > > > wrote > > > >there > > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > > > if I > > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > > > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > > > better > > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > > > was > > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > > > or > > > >Cotton" > > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > > > stop > > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > > > Mk-2 CD > > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > > > acquired > > > >unit! > > > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > > > black...Everything > > > > >appears to > > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > > > same > > > >beautiful > > > > >mirror-polished > > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > > > contacts > > > > >inside,heads > > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > > > made from > > > > >brass(not > > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > > > alumite).There are 3 > > > > >labels > > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > > > are black > > > >as > > > > >well.The > > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > > > door is > > > > >lacking > > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > > > made in > > > > >10*11*12 of > > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > > > long > > > >before > > > > >1983...The > > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > > > issue.I think > > > > >Nakamichi > > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > > >gold-plate > > > > >the front > > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > > > due to > > > > >customer > > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > > > stuck > > > >cam > > > > >gear > > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > > > &RAMM part > > > > >of the > > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > > > playback > > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > > > &manufacturing those > > > > >beauties...Any > > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >=== message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > > > VERSION:2.1 > > > N:Hoag;Doane > > > FN:Doane Hoag > > > ORG:Doane Design > > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > > tates > > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > > > America > > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > > END:VCARD > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Wed Nov 16 18:05:55 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:05:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, and I'm cleaning them up and putting them into a PDF file today and will post them here for anyone that wants them. Thanks, Doane ********************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi Doane! Yes you are right...the cover name is also "Golden"! PS...did you received my digitally photos...of the "Black" one brochure & "Audio" magazine 1982 review on the "Golden" LTD one? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:45:35 -0800 > >Thanks, Scott >Yes, it is a poor scan, but it sure looks amazing, from what I can make >out. >I guess, at $8,000 they could afford some fancy books on thier pet deck! >Looks like the brochure printing on the cover was gold leaf too. :~) > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:40 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Scott again! > >Yes; is the same brochure that I have, the scan it's very bad...very "Un >sharp"...but better that nothing! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) > > > >The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. > >http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > > > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > > > from the > > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > > > or post > > > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > > > others would > > > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > > > neat. > > > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > > Hi Doane! > > > > > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > > > "Week" with > > > me 1000ZXL? > > > > > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > > > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > > > > Or you try to say me something else? > > > > > > Have a nice day; > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks > > > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > > > >Alex: > > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > > > am sure > > > >otheres would too. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > > > ALL the > > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > > > 1982 > > > >magazine > > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > > > "Normal" black > > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > > > the > > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > > > in the > > > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > > > wrote > > > >there > > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > > > if I > > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > > > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > > > better > > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > > > was > > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > > > or > > > >Cotton" > > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > > > stop > > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > > > Mk-2 CD > > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > > > acquired > > > >unit! > > > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > > > black...Everything > > > > >appears to > > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > > > same > > > >beautiful > > > > >mirror-polished > > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > > > contacts > > > > >inside,heads > > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > > > made from > > > > >brass(not > > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > > > alumite).There are 3 > > > > >labels > > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > > > are black > > > >as > > > > >well.The > > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > > > door is > > > > >lacking > > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > > > made in > > > > >10*11*12 of > > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > > > long > > > >before > > > > >1983...The > > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > > > issue.I think > > > > >Nakamichi > > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > > >gold-plate > > > > >the front > > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > > > due to > > > > >customer > > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > > > stuck > > > >cam > > > > >gear > > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > > > &RAMM part > > > > >of the > > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > > > playback > > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > > > &manufacturing those > > > > >beauties...Any > > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >=== message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > > > VERSION:2.1 > > > N:Hoag;Doane > > > FN:Doane Hoag > > > ORG:Doane Design > > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > > tates > > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > > > America > > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > > END:VCARD > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Nov 16 18:05:56 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:05:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <437B5A3B.3010303@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Ahh... that's a bit better. Thanks, Doane ****************************** -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:12 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Not if you look at the pictures directly: http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Cover.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_ONE.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_TWO.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_THREE.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_FOUR.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_FIVE.jpg http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/Page_SIX.jpg They are resized in the htm file. Doane Hoag a écrit : > Thanks, Scott > Yes, it is a poor scan, but it sure looks amazing, from what I can make out. > I guess, at $8,000 they could afford some fancy books on thier pet deck! > Looks like the brochure printing on the cover was gold leaf too. :~) > > Doane > > > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 04:55:26 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:55:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051117035526.54075.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Count me in. Everyone here knows I swear by that deck. By the way, the most fanciful thing I find about the deck is how Nakamichi calls it. "Computing Cassette Deck". And if there is one person in the world who I would like to hear it from, its Sean Connery.. :) Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Yes, and I'm cleaning them up and putting them into a PDF file today and will post them here for anyone that wants them. Thanks, Doane ********************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi Doane! Yes you are right...the cover name is also "Golden"! PS...did you received my digitally photos...of the "Black" one brochure & "Audio" magazine 1982 review on the "Golden" LTD one? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:45:35 -0800 > >Thanks, Scott >Yes, it is a poor scan, but it sure looks amazing, from what I can make >out. >I guess, at $8,000 they could afford some fancy books on thier pet deck! >Looks like the brochure printing on the cover was gold leaf too. :~) > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:40 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Scott again! > >Yes; is the same brochure that I have, the scan it's very bad...very "Un >sharp"...but better that nothing! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) > > > >The 1000ZXL Limited brochure can be found on-line here. > >http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > > > > The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > > > from the > > > "Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, > > > or post > > > the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > > > others would > > > be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really > > > neat. > > > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > > Hi Doane! > > > > > > Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > > > "Week" with > > > me 1000ZXL? > > > > > > I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > > > today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > > > > Or you try to say me something else? > > > > > > Have a nice day; > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks > > > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > > > >Alex: > > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and > > > am sure > > > >otheres would too. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doane > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as > > > ALL the > > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same > > > 1982 > > > >magazine > > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > > > "Normal" black > > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own > > > the > > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > > > in the > > > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically > > > wrote > > > >there > > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & > > > if I > > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > > > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > > > better > > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + > > > was > > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint > > > or > > > >Cotton" > > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week > > > stop > > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > > > Mk-2 CD > > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > > > acquired > > > >unit! > > > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > > > black...Everything > > > > >appears to > > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the > > > same > > > >beautiful > > > > >mirror-polished > > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > > > contacts > > > > >inside,heads > > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > > > made from > > > > >brass(not > > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > > > alumite).There are 3 > > > > >labels > > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > > > are black > > > >as > > > > >well.The > > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette > > > door is > > > > >lacking > > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > > > made in > > > > >10*11*12 of > > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > > > long > > > >before > > > > >1983...The > > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > > > issue.I think > > > > >Nakamichi > > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > > >gold-plate > > > > >the front > > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels > > > due to > > > > >customer > > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with > > > stuck > > > >cam > > > > >gear > > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > > > &RAMM part > > > > >of the > > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > > > playback > > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > > > &manufacturing those > > > > >beauties...Any > > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >=== message truncated ===> BEGIN:VCARD > > > VERSION:2.1 > > > N:Hoag;Doane > > > FN:Doane Hoag > > > ORG:Doane Design > > > TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design > > > TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 > > > TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 > > > TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated > > > ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the > > > Sea;CA;93921;United States > > > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box > > > 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= > > > tates > > > ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of > > > America > > > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the > > > Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America > > > URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com > > > ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration > > > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com > > > REV:20040418T151049Z > > > END:VCARD > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! 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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 05:06:43 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:06:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051117040643.58952.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I do not have the brochure. But I have paper copies of the owner and service manuals. I have two versions of the owner s manuals, one in english, and another is a multilanguage one. I think the second one is meant for Europe. If anyone is keen, I can post a copy. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Doane! Will take a while, as I'm a little bit ill. Maybe Bala has the same brochure...and trough this reply, I want to ask Bala if he have one to scan for me the brochure. Doane...I don't have scanner, I can make digitally photos and send you directly to your E-mail. How to post to our group...really my son knows...but...he is now traveling for near a year...so don't ask me to do things with my computer, as I'm completely Idiot on this matter!....Sorry!!! Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:48:02 -0800 > > >The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures from the >"Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, or post >the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure others would >be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really neat. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Doane! > >Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my "Week" >with >me 1000ZXL? > >I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are >today?????That is an a BIG question! > >Or you try to say me something else? > >Have a nice day; > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > >Alex: > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... would love to see it and am sure > >otheres would too. > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 > >magazine > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" >black > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the > >"Half Size" brochure and name on the door cover..is specifically wrote > >there > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or > >Cotton" > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired > >unit! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > > >appears to > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > >beautiful > > >mirror-polished > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All >contacts > > >inside,heads > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > > >brass(not > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are >3 > > >labels > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black > >as > > >well.The > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > > >lacking > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > > >10*11*12 of > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long > >before > > >1983...The > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > > >Nakamichi > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > >gold-plate > > >the front > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they could change front panels due to > > >customer > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck > >cam > > >gear > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM >part > > >of the > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > > >only.P.S.We'll > > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > > >beauties...Any > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 17 01:06:44 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: I redid the PDF... please use this link to dl it. It's about 2.9MB and much clearer and easier to read then the one I tried to attach here. http://www.rhoag.com/Forums/Audio/1000ZXL.pdf Alex sent me pix of the magazine and ZXL brochure, the limited brochure was on line from a link Scott posted. I cleaned these up and enhanced them the best I could then created the PDF file 1000ZXL brochure 1000ZXL Limited brochure 1000ZXL Limited Audio Mag review Thomas, you're welcome to post this on your manuals site Enjoy! Doane ***********************************************************8 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 17 09:22:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:22:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: Hi Doane! Bravo...my ultimate & heart full thanks for such superbly work that you do it! Faithfully, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:44 -0800 > >I redid the PDF... please use this link to dl it. It's about 2.9MB and much >clearer and easier to read then the one I tried to attach here. >http://www.rhoag.com/Forums/Audio/1000ZXL.pdf > >Alex sent me pix of the magazine and ZXL brochure, the limited brochure was >on line from a link Scott posted. I cleaned these up and enhanced them the >best I could then created the PDF file > >1000ZXL brochure >1000ZXL Limited brochure >1000ZXL Limited Audio Mag review > >Thomas, you're welcome to post this on your manuals site > >Enjoy! > >Doane >***********************************************************8 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Nov 17 17:01:09 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:01:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <20051117040643.58952.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Bala: Could you send a copy of the service manul to Thomas so he can put it on his site with all the other NK manuals? He has the owners manual for the 1000ZXL, but not the service manual. Be sure to dl my PDF of the brochures.. http://www.rhoag.com/Forums/Audio/1000ZXL.pdf (2.9mb) Doane ************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi guys, I do not have the brochure. But I have paper copies of the owner and service manuals. I have two versions of the owner s manuals, one in english, and another is a multilanguage one. I think the second one is meant for Europe. If anyone is keen, I can post a copy. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Doane! Will take a while, as I'm a little bit ill. Maybe Bala has the same brochure...and trough this reply, I want to ask Bala if he have one to scan for me the brochure. Doane...I don't have scanner, I can make digitally photos and send you directly to your E-mail. How to post to our group...really my son knows...but...he is now traveling for near a year...so don't ask me to do thin! gs with my computer, as I'm completely Idiot on this matter!....Sorry!!! Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:48:02 -0800 > > >The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures from the >"Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, or post >the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure others would >be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really neat. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Mond! ay, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Doane! > >Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my "Week" >with >me 1000ZXL? > >I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are >today?????That is an a BIG question! > >Or you try to say me something else? > >Have a nice day; > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > >Alex: > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... w! ould love to see it and am sure > >otheres would too. > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 > >magazine > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" >black > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the > >"Half Size" brochure and name! on the door cover..is specifically wrote > >there > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or > >Cotton" > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired > >unit! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > > >appears to > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > >beautiful > > >mirror-polished > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All >contacts > > >inside,heads > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > > >brass(not > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are >3 > > >labels > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black > >as > > >well.The > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > > >lacking > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > > >10*11*12 of > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long > >before > > >1983...The > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > > >Nakamichi > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > >gold-plate > > >the front > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they coul! d change front panels due to > > >customer > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck > >cam > > >gear > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM >part > > >of the > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > > >only.P.S.We'll > > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > > >beauties...Any > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Mai! ntain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From flifton at mac.com Thu Nov 17 21:43:59 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:43:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Message-ID: <13F58F23-C40F-4958-B797-48D6D1796DBB@mac.com> Well, looking at those pictures, that is an incredibly desire-able deck. I know I'm a geek to bring it up, but does it strike any else as humorously ironic that the brochure for an $8,000 tape deck has at least two glaring typos? Surely there were plenty of under-employed english majors even the 80's? From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 18 00:13:37 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:13:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: <20051117040643.58952.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051117040643.58952.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <437D0EA1.4020209@rcn.com> By all means, do. I'd love to take a look at the internals of that machine. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi guys, > > I do not have the brochure. But I have paper copies of the > owner and service manuals. I have two versions of the owner > s manuals, one in english, and another is a multilanguage one. I think > the second one is meant for Europe. If anyone is keen, I can post a copy. > > Bala > > */Alex Cozac /* wrote: > > Dear Doane! > > Will take a while, as I'm a little bit ill. Maybe Bala has the same > brochure...and trough this reply, I want to ask Bala if he have one > to scan > for me the brochure. Doane...I don't have scanner, I can make digitally > photos and send you directly to your E-mail. How to post to our > group...really my son knows...but...he is now traveling for near a > year...so > don't ask me to do thin! gs with my computer, as I'm completely > Idiot on this > matter!....Sorry!!! > > Have a nice day! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:48:02 -0800 > > > > > >The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures > from the > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post > them, or post > >the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure > others would > >be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really neat. > > > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Mond! ay, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > >Hi Doane! > > > >Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my > "Week" > >with > >me 1000ZXL? > > > >I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are > >today?????That is an a BIG question! > > > >Or you try to say me something else? > > > >Have a nice day; > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > > > >Alex: > > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... w! ould love to see it > and am sure > > >otheres would too. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Doane > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, > as ALL the > > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 > > >magazine > > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the > "Normal" > >black > > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I > own the > > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo > in the > > >"Half Size" brochure and name! on the door cover..is > specifically wrote > > >there > > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, > & if I > > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's > "Somewhere'....!!!), > > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much > better > > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well > + was > > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or > > >Cotton" > > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the > week stop > > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 > Mk-2 CD > > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new > acquired > > >unit! > > > > > >Be well! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is > black...Everything > > > >appears to > > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > > >beautiful > > > >mirror-polished > > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All > >contacts > > > >inside,heads > > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is > made from > > > >brass(not > > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black > alumite).There are > >3 > > > >labels > > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism > are black > > >as > > > >well.The > > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but > cassette door is > > > >lacking > > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was > made in > > > >10*11*12 of > > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed > long > > >before > > > >1983...The > > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 > issue.I think > > > >Nakamichi > > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > > >gold-plate > > > >the front > > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they coul! d change front > panels due to > > > >customer > > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem > with stuck > > >cam > > > >gear > > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording > &RAMM > >part > > > >of the > > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for > playback > > > >only.P.S.We'll > > > >probably never know the whole history of designing > &manufacturing those > > > >beauties...Any > > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 02:45:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:45:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051118014526.87670.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, That should not be a problem. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Hi, Bala: Could you send a copy of the service manul to Thomas so he can put it on his site with all the other NK manuals? He has the owners manual for the 1000ZXL, but not the service manual. Be sure to dl my PDF of the brochures.. http://www.rhoag.com/Forums/Audio/1000ZXL.pdf (2.9mb) Doane ************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Hi guys, I do not have the brochure. But I have paper copies of the owner and service manuals. I have two versions of the owner s manuals, one in english, and another is a multilanguage one. I think the second one is meant for Europe. If anyone is keen, I can post a copy. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Doane! Will take a while, as I'm a little bit ill. Maybe Bala has the same brochure...and trough this reply, I want to ask Bala if he have one to scan for me the brochure. Doane...I don't have scanner, I can make digitally photos and send you directly to your E-mail. How to post to our group...really my son knows...but...he is now traveling for near a year...so don't ask me to do thin! gs with my computer, as I'm completely Idiot on this matter!....Sorry!!! Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:48:02 -0800 > > >The Brochure, if you can find it... could you scan some pictures from the >"Originally Limited Edition brochure" on the 1000ZXL and post them, or post >the whole thing as a PDF? I would love to see it and am sure others would >be interested too. I didn't know about this deck, sounds really neat. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Mond! ay, November 14, 2005 7:16 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Hi Doane! > >Really 100% I can't comprehend what you mean? Which photos of my "Week" >with >me 1000ZXL? > >I make some photos NOT digitally ones, I must try to find WHERE are >today?????That is an a BIG question! > >Or you try to say me something else? > >Have a nice day; > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:59:53 -0800 > > > >Alex: > >Can you scan and post some pix of it... w! ould love to see it and am sure > >otheres would too. > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:59 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > > > > >Hi Maksim! > > > >It's "Very Unusual"...that it's "Originally"...from Nakamichi, as ALL the > >"Limited Edition"...WERE Gold Plated. Yes I also have the same 1982 > >magazine > >that test in that era $ 8,000.00 Limited Edition versus the "Normal" >black > >one. I were any differences twice price was TO MUCH...! Also I own the > >"Originally Limited Edition brochure", with Niro Nakamichi photo in the > >"Half Size" brochure and name! on the door cover..is specifically wrote > >there > >that is 14 karat Gold Plated front/knobs.door cover and handles, & if I > >remember well (I can't find the brochure today..it's "Somewhere'....!!!), > >the back is also 14 karat gold plated. yes the cabinet is much better > >finished that the "Normal Black" one, Rosewood if I recall well + was > >included a " Cloth Cover"...for the all unit + some kind of "Lint or > >Cotton" > >cloth for keep the wood cabinet always shine. > > > >I own only the black normal one for a merely week...after the week stop > >functioned...so I exchanged with my presently in use Philips 850 Mk-2 CD > >player...which works superbly since the exchange during 1992. > > > >Maksim...I wish you my best heart fully good luck with your new acquired > >unit! > > > >Be well! > > > >ALEX!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! > > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:51 -0800 > > > > > >My recently acquired Nakamichi 1000zxl limited is black...Everything > > >appears to > > >be Limited inside &outside,except the front panel.It has the same > >beautiful > > >mirror-polished > > >rosewood case &the same back with gold-plated battery cover.All >contacts > > >inside,heads > > >&power supply heat sink are also gold-plated.The flywheel is made from > > >brass(not > > >alloy).Transport chassis is black(treated with black alumite).There are >3 > > >labels > > >inside for inspection pre-test performed > > >by:M.Narita(electronics),R.Osanai(transport)& > > >S.Yokoyama(assembly).All plastic parts in transport mechanism are black > >as > > >well.The > > >front panel is exactly the same as regular 1000zxl but cassette door is > > >lacking > > >any signs(Silent mechanism/double capstan &arrow sign).It was made in > > >10*11*12 of > > >1981.The serial number is:400022.So,it appears Limited existed long > >before > > >1983...The > > >Audio magazine reviewed 1000zxl limited in September 1982 issue.I think > > >Nakamichi > > >made first tuned-up modifications(prototypes?)& then decided to > >gold-plate > > >the front > > >cover for more glitz &bliss...Or they coul! d change front panels due to > > >customer > > >request...The deck is practically new &had the same problem with stuck > >cam > > >gear > > >wheel(dried-up grease).I'll see soon what goes on in recording &RAMM >part > > >of the > > >deck but I'll be more than happy to maintain this beauty for playback > > >only.P.S.We'll > > >probably never know the whole history of designing &manufacturing those > > >beauties...Any > > >comments? Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Mai! ntain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <13F58F23-C40F-4958-B797-48D6D1796DBB@mac.com> Message-ID: That's just Japanese Sophia University English.. :~) Doane ******************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Well, looking at those pictures, that is an incredibly desire-able deck. I know I'm a geek to bring it up, but does it strike any else as humorously ironic that the brochure for an $8,000 tape deck has at least two glaring typos? Surely there were plenty of under-employed english majors even the 80's? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Nov 18 23:14:05 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:14:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My 481z is black..... should it come back? In-Reply-To: <200511151844.jAFIiQO3016242@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511151844.jAFIiQO3016242@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Newbie Again Excuse my absence for the last 3 weeks .... ill mother etc. But i have read every post! BUT this is not about 'My new 1000zxl is black"! But the 481z i got on ebay is black too........ I hope that isnt a let down from the 1000 I tried to buy the following to work on it but the sale was withdrawn and my bid returned..... he said it was unsafe .... and he "chucked it" out ........ which is a shame http:// cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7559039729 http:// cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7559039729 so I have ended up with a 481z that was honestly described as faulty so the price was £5! No manual .... (as if)! I felt after being on the forum that no Nak should be so neglected.....see for yourself: http:// cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5827078635 The eBay photo makes it look much worse than it is/was ......... and it has cleaned up beautifully. Inside it was absolutely clean and the heads and idler wheels etc were all in fair states of cleanliness and have become cleaner with having the machine running for some hours now. It fast forwards and rewinds and pauses LEDS work and lights operate too. However the motor/belt/gear assembly for play and record needs assistance to work ( this means I have the lid off and give the the belt pulley or big cog a shove with my trusty plastic knife!) ..... once engaged it plays and records and can just manage to stop when a tape ends or the stop button is pressed. It has surprised me at how good it sounds on playback thru my second system ....... whne I played it thru the top system it was less musically engaging ...... which was odd. However when listening to it on the 2nd system it sounded like cd quality ....... heavens.... Back to the points I'd like your input on: I feel the problem is a case of gumming rather than a motor or belt failure on the relevant motor ....... I know we have some real experts on the forum ....... as I paid so little for it I feel it maybe silly to send £150 for a B & W service ......... so opinions as to the machines ability to give musical joy on playback (mostly) ..but I have already spoken to B & W who can work on this 3 motor, 3 head, double capstan, pressure pad lifting model from 1978-81. BUT .... finances are modest hereabouts so i have searched ebay for a service manual but I cant locate one .....so I havent got enough knowledge to dismantle the tape transport assembly and get in about the mechanism I feel is gummy but with your help ( and maybe forebearance ;-) I would like to try a wee bit more over the weekend So my new 481x is black and looking better than it did ........ after reading the 1000zxl saga if I suceed with this machine I might gold leaf the top of the fascia which was scratched as you can see in the ebay pic...... in the interim I have touched up the scatches with black for now. I dont have broadband here ( too rural ) so cant upload a pic but would if I do the gold thingy! I dont want to sell it if I repair it I want to enjoy my tape collection and have fun with the 'lonf lost tunes of 20 years back'. We travelled or moved around a lot for much of that time and bought few records and avoided the arrival of cd's until some 9 years back. I look forward to the collective voice ..... private emails always walcum. Ian Darnhunch Baskets www.bechbaskets.net From jberger at well.com Fri Nov 18 23:43:32 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic: Please trim your email posts In-Reply-To: <200511182225.jAIMP6Mg027817@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511182225.jAIMP6Mg027817@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: For the benefit of those of us who read naktalk as a digest: please remember to trim the copied text when you reply to a message, especially one that is part of a longer thread. The last digest had two messages with two lines of text, followed by seven screens of copied text from previous messages, including signature lines and .VCF information. If there is text that is relevant to your reply, include it. If not, please do some trimming. It improves the signal-to-noise ratio (and that's why we have Naks, right?) Thank you. John From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 18 23:58:40 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:58:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My 481z is black..... should it come back? In-Reply-To: References: <200511151844.jAFIiQO3016242@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <437E5CA0.5090300@rcn.com> I have the service manual for the 481, which is similar -- though not exactly the same -- as the 481Z. It's a 4.5MB or so pdf file. Let me know if you want it and if you can accept files this size. Just a guess, but if the motor is known good, I would look at the capstan bearings, they may need lubrication. Also, check the belts. -- Ron earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Newbie Again > > Excuse my absence for the last 3 weeks .... ill mother etc. But i have > read every post! BUT this is not about 'My new 1000zxl is black"! > > But the 481z i got on ebay is black too........ I hope that isnt a let > down from the 1000 > > I tried to buy the following to work on it but the sale was withdrawn > and my bid returned..... he said it was unsafe .... and he "chucked it" > out ........ which is a shame > > http:// > > cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7559039729 > > http:// > > cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7559039729 > > so I have ended up with a 481z that was honestly described as faulty so > the price was £5! No manual .... (as if)! I felt after being on the > forum that no Nak should be so neglected.....see for yourself: > > http:// > > cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5827078635 > > The eBay photo makes it look much worse than it is/was ......... and it > has cleaned up beautifully. Inside it was absolutely clean and the heads > and idler wheels etc were all in fair states of cleanliness and have > become cleaner with having the machine running for some hours now. > > It fast forwards and rewinds and pauses LEDS work and lights operate > too. However the motor/belt/gear assembly for play and record needs > assistance to work ( this means I have the lid off and give the the > belt pulley or big cog a shove with my trusty plastic knife!) ..... once > engaged it plays and records and can just manage to stop when a tape > ends or the stop button is pressed. It has surprised me at how good it > sounds on playback thru my second system ....... whne I played it thru > the top system it was less musically engaging ...... which was odd. > However when listening to it on the 2nd system it sounded like cd > quality ....... heavens.... > > Back to the points I'd like your input on: I feel the problem is a case > of gumming rather than a motor or belt failure on the relevant motor > ....... I know we have some real experts on the forum ....... as I paid > so little for it I feel it maybe silly to send £150 for a B & W > service ......... so opinions as to the machines ability to give musical > joy on playback (mostly) ..but I have already spoken to B & W who can > work on this 3 motor, 3 head, double capstan, pressure pad lifting model > from 1978-81. > > BUT .... finances are modest hereabouts > > so i have searched ebay for a service manual but I cant locate one > .....so I havent got enough knowledge to dismantle the tape transport > assembly and get in about the mechanism I feel is gummy but with your > help ( and maybe forebearance ;-) I would like to try a wee bit more > over the weekend > > So my new 481x is black and looking better than it did ........ after > reading the 1000zxl saga if I suceed with this machine I might gold leaf > the top of the fascia which was scratched as you can see in the ebay > pic...... in the interim I have touched up the scatches with black for > now. I dont have broadband here ( too rural ) so cant upload a pic but > would if I do the gold thingy! > > I dont want to sell it if I repair it I want to enjoy my tape collection > and have fun with the 'lonf lost tunes of 20 years back'. We travelled > or moved around a lot for much of that time and bought few records and > avoided the arrival of cd's until some 9 years back. > > I look forward to the collective voice ..... private emails always walcum. > > Ian > Darnhunch Baskets > www.bechbaskets.net From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Nov 19 14:03:40 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My 481z is black! but will it come back? In-Reply-To: <200511191100.jAJB0ih0029927@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511191100.jAJB0ih0029927@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron Thanks for the quick reply and offer of help Well one by product of an ill mum is that I go to look after her for a few days and I put her on broadband a year back..... and bought her a laptop and she has gone for it like the proverbial duck! So I'd love the the .pdf as I go there tomorrow ..... I dare say the tape transport system is the same..... I'd love to get in about the cogs to lube and de gum them but dont want to do it without some guidance. I believe the motor is good, the playback cog feels stiff as the pulley from the smallest motor which is supposed to activate that cog is easy to turn. If it were capstan related would it not be true of FF and Rew too..... instead of just play and stop? Incidentally i do agree with John about trimming replies for us digest types. I have 94 copies of the 1000zxl news and it sure is a long scroll to find the next 2 line message. Ho hum ....... I see others in the archives ask the same thing often and it hasnt changed so I dont imagine it will. Oh for adls at home then I too could be a profligate :-} Ian Scotland >From: Ron >Subject: My 481z is black..... should it come back? >I have the service manual for the 481, which is similar >-- though not exactly the same -- as the 481Z. It's a >4.5MB or so pdf file. Let me know if you want it and >if you can accept files this size. >Just a guess, but if the motor is known good, I would >look at the capstan bearings, they may need lubrication. >Also, check the belts. >-- Ron From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Nov 19 21:36:34 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:36:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III Message-ID: <000601c5ed48$eeacafd0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Kermit, How are the Marathon III CDs coming along......is your new supply alright? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the tape "płayed" and the counter was going very fast, my idea is something in the tape shell prevented the deck heads or rubber rollers properly penetrate cassette shells openings. The tape speed wasn't limited by rubber rollers so the counter was running fast, tape mechanism didn't engage properly, the decks logic spotted the error and hence the Err on the LCD. The door could not be open because having not engaged completely the mechanism didn't disengage when you hit stop and power. The above is my wild guest only not backed up by deep Nak knowledge nor first hand experience (I've never had a similar problem in my CD 1)... Maybe a closer inspection of the tape shell will give you any clues? All the best, Pawel From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 04:23:40 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:23:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051121032340.60134.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Even the term Computing Cassette Deck hardly sounds english. Their enlgish got progressively better over the 90s. Before that, it was Japlish. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: That's just Japanese Sophia University English.. :~) Doane ******************************** -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new 1000zxl limited is black?! Well, looking at those pictures, that is an incredibly desire-able deck. I know I'm a geek to bring it up, but does it strike any else as humorously ironic that the brochure for an $8,000 tape deck has at least two glaring typos? Surely there were plenty of under-employed english majors even the 80's? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebm at ireland.com Mon Nov 21 16:45:52 2005 From: ebm at ireland.com (shane crowe) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:45:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Nak problem (and solution) Message-ID: <20051121154552.56F9D671D1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Pawel/listees, Thanks for your reply. Yes I got a CD1 and it's great, I'm very happy with it. Admittedly the Play Trim on the Yamaha does give a brighter sound, but the Nak (on rougher, cheaper, non-professionally recorded) tapes keeps the noise level down, which is key. A decent equalizer would presumably allow me to brighten the outputted Nak sound to the same level as the Yamaha. Good theory on the issue I was having with that tape. I inspected the shell by eye, but I'm not expert enought to know what problems to look for. And I can't open it up because it's one of those tapes which is fused together (no screws) - I don't want to pry it open because it is an original.... A few other things I noticed: - the spools do seem to have an unusually free movement. A lot looser than any other tape I have. - the tapping actually only temporarily fixed the issue. When I went back to play the tape again the next day, the problem was back. Repeating the tapping trick worked again. - (something I forgot to mention in my original post is that) after tapping the cassette, loading it and successfuly playing it, there was no sound at all from it. But after rewinding it back to the start and pressing play I could then hear the music.... Anyway, it's copied to CDR now, never to be played again! Shane From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 21 17:25:33 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:25:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Nak problem (and solution) In-Reply-To: <20051121154552.56F9D671D1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051121154552.56F9D671D1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4381F4FD.4030406@yahoo.ca> In fact, if you raise the treble you will hear more noise. I think that's a bit how Dolby works. Record with more treble and play with less. shane crowe a écrit : > Hi Pawel/listees, > > Thanks for your reply. Yes I got a CD1 and it's great, I'm very happy with it. > Admittedly the Play Trim on the Yamaha does give a brighter sound, but the > Nak (on rougher, cheaper, non-professionally recorded) tapes keeps the noise level > down, which is key. A decent equalizer would presumably allow me to brighten > the outputted Nak sound to the same level as the Yamaha. > > Good theory on the issue I was having with that tape. I inspected the > shell by eye, but I'm not expert enought to know what problems to look for. > And I can't open it up because it's one of those tapes which is fused together > (no screws) - I don't want to pry it open because it is an original.... > > A few other things I noticed: > > - the spools do seem to have an unusually free movement. A lot looser than any > other tape I have. > > - the tapping actually only temporarily fixed the issue. When I went back to play > the tape again the next day, the problem was back. Repeating the tapping trick > worked again. > > - (something I forgot to mention in my original post is that) after tapping the cassette, > loading it and successfuly playing it, there was no sound at all from it. > But after rewinding it back to the start and pressing play I could then hear the music.... > > > Anyway, it's copied to CDR now, never to be played again! > > Shane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ktl at bornet.net Mon Nov 21 23:41:10 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:41:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Message-ID: Hi all How much should I pay for a 700II? Any suggestions? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 22 08:39:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:39:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Message-ID: Hi Tomas! As my first Nak during 1968 was yet still with me; & for more of 12 years "Unused" 1000/2, I want to sell mine for $:300.00 + of course shipment from Israel to any country; as my unit and also the 700/s are "Multi Voltage' units. So...something around that price will be fair! Good Luck Tomas, ALEX! >From: "Tomas Larsson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: [naktalk] 700II >Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:41:10 +0100 > >Hi all >How much should I pay for a 700II? >Any suggestions? > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden >http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 22 13:56:21 2005 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:56:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Message-ID: <410-2200511222125621903@earthlink.net> One day I happened into a derelict bookstore that had a strange looking deck lost on a dusty shelf. It was some ones long forgotten Nak 700II for sale that had definitely seen better days. It was covered with scratches and appeared to have been tampered with. Curiously I loaded a crappy prerecorded cassette and pressed play. WOW! Not even my high brow home pro unit could approach the sound of this unassuming beater. I was sold. I took it home for $20.00 and spent the nest 3 months rejuvenating as best as I could. Unfortunately, it was too damaged to record or calibrate and hence I sold it for peanuts. However, I never forgot that "sound" and when I found a relatively untouched unit for sale with a broken belt that the owner could not fix, I jumped on it. Price: Not even close to the pleasure its given me and the smile I get every time I play Rachmaninoff # 2........ > [Original Message] > From: Tomas Larsson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: 11/22/2005 4:05:56 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700II > > Hi all > How much should I pay for a 700II? > Any suggestions? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 22 13:57:32 2005 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:57:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Message-ID: <410-2200511222125732965@earthlink.net> One day I happened into a derelict bookstore that had a strange looking deck lost on a dusty shelf. It was some ones long forgotten Nak 700II for sale that had definitely seen better days. It was covered with scratches and appeared to have been tampered with. Curiously I loaded a crappy prerecorded cassette and pressed play. WOW! Not even my high brow home pro unit could approach the sound of this unassuming beater. I was sold. I took it home for $20.00 and spent the nest 3 months rejuvenating as best as I could. Unfortunately, it was too damaged to record or calibrate and hence I sold it for peanuts. However, I never forgot that "sound" and when I found a relatively untouched unit for sale with a broken belt that the owner could not fix, I jumped on it. Price: Not even close to the pleasure its given me and the smile I get every time I play Rachmaninoff # 2........ > [Original Message] > From: Tomas Larsson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: 11/22/2005 4:05:56 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700II > > Hi all > How much should I pay for a 700II? > Any suggestions? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden Dan Dinhofer ddino77 at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Tue Nov 22 20:26:51 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:26:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <200511221101.jAMB0aVS004475@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511221101.jAMB0aVS004475@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > In fact, if you raise the treble you will hear more noise. I think > that's a bit how Dolby works. Record with more treble and play with > less. Well, it's a bit more complicated than that, and this is why playback level calibration is important. If all that happened was boosting the treble on record, and reduce it on playback, you would end up saturating the tape with high-level high-frequency content. So Dolby B NR boosts the treble at low record levels (where you are most likely to be bothered by tape hiss noise), but gradually reduces the boost as the record level goes higher (where the music masks the hiss). The cutback in treble works the same way; less of a change at higher record levels. Like many other compression/expansion noise reduction circuits, they assume a good match between the recorded signal and the played back signal. Any discrepancies will be exaggerated; if the deck rolls off the treble because of miscalibration (or because it isn't a Nak), then the Dolby decoding will assume that the musical content is recorded at a lower level and will reduce the treble even more. By calibrating the playback level with a standardized tape, the Dolby decoding tracks the level properly, and reduces the treble by the same amount that it was boosted. Following up with record level calibration ensures that a new tape recorded on this machine will have the Dolby calibrated properly to match the calibrated playback. Dolby C takes the basic idea a step further by do a second band of boost/cut that works more agressively. From ady at spamcop.net Tue Nov 22 22:23:27 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:23:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 opinions / buying advice Message-ID: <5B021508-CB94-4B6D-85BB-0E1DDD742571@spamcop.net> hi i've been offered, from a friend, what appears to be a very little used and good condition 680 with the rack ears. He's only just bought it from a retired forces person who'd travelled a lot and had it in storage for long periods hence the little use. It has the original sales invoice from Hong Kong and some documentation of a repair / service to the door mech in the early 80's. Cosmetically it seems almost perfect and it functions very well. I haven't tried recording yet but the playback seems excellent. I'm only a recent Nak convert and my collection so far is a BX125 and semi functioning 300e so I'm sure the 680 is going to be in a higher league. There is little evidence of recent services though but he wants £140 GBP for it that seems quite cheap. Are there any major weaknesses I should look for in this model? I notice the popularity of the 680XL, is the only difference though the manual azimuth adjust? thanks adrian From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Nov 22 23:53:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III In-Reply-To: <000601c5ed48$eeacafd0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000601c5ed48$eeacafd0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <4383A16A.8040201@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Robert, rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hey Kermit, > > How are the Marathon III CDs coming along......is your new supply alright? New CD supply is excellent. I'm getting CDs out at a trickle buyt they're going out. Last Wednesday I went in for emergency oral surgery, and am recovering slowly. No complications, but wow, I'm getting tired of eating soft foods! Because of the surgery, I didn't make any CDs from last Wednesday through the weekend but I started back at it yesterday. Everyone tells me I should quit working and retire because of my health, but I'd go barking mad, so down with that idea. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 24 00:07:06 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:07:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 opinions / buying advice Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DBD8@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> I'd say get it. I own a 680ZX and it's not only great to hear but such a good looking deck too! I've had no problems with my unit since I serviced it (siezed shaft on the left pinch roller), it's a real work horse. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Finn Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 8:23 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 680 opinions / buying advice hi i've been offered, from a friend, what appears to be a very little used and good condition 680 with the rack ears. He's only just bought it from a retired forces person who'd travelled a lot and had it in storage for long periods hence the little use. It has the original sales invoice from Hong Kong and some documentation of a repair / service to the door mech in the early 80's. Cosmetically it seems almost perfect and it functions very well. I haven't tried recording yet but the playback seems excellent. I'm only a recent Nak convert and my collection so far is a BX125 and semi functioning 300e so I'm sure the 680 is going to be in a higher league. There is little evidence of recent services though but he wants £140 GBP for it that seems quite cheap. Are there any major weaknesses I should look for in this model? I notice the popularity of the 680XL, is the only difference though the manual azimuth adjust? thanks adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Nov 24 02:20:05 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: <43851545.3080604@yahoo.ca> Hi all, I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be useful. The 10 others play fine. Cheers, Antoine From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 24 08:51:46 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:51:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: <43851545.3080604@yahoo.ca> References: <43851545.3080604@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43857112.40802@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi all, > > I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with > two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not > able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough > torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I > can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the > tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be > useful. The 10 others play fine. My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace the cassette shell. The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on that one too. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 24 09:16:33 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:16:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III In-Reply-To: <001c01c5f073$d01b4300$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001c01c5f073$d01b4300$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <438576E1.30903@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Well Kermit, > > If you did take some retirement, you could always come and have some fun > with me, recording some of the wonderful church organs in my part of the > word. Accommodation would, of course, be free. Mind you, two young children > might stress you out a bit! Ah, it sounds like an idyllic existence for me! But I'd not be retired, because I'd be busily scurrying about trying to create ever-better recordings. I know myself. I'd start out with a Nak 550, but before long would be using a customized 3-channel, 1/2-inch tape, Ampex MR70 or 354 (or possibly a 3M 79), running at 30 ips, with my custom mic amps designed just for the venue and the specific organ -- all powered by sinusoidal invertor so no mains connection would be needed. One day you'd find me slumped dead over the tape deck, tape reel spinning with the tape run out (and the tape break arm blocked by my head ... but oh, what a way to go -- making the finest recording of the finest performance in one of the finest venues! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 24 09:54:14 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:54:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: Hello Antoine! You MUST changed the shells on both NOT working oldie cassettes! Or disposed them!!!! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 > >Hi all, > >I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with >two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not able >to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough torque to >pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I can do to >solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the tape with the >head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be useful. The 10 >others play fine. > >Cheers, >Antoine >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Nov 23 10:20:52 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:20:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 39 Message-ID: Correct Mr Berger, Dolby NR boosts and cuts frequencies of low aplitude. Bias noise is low aplitude stuff, that's what Dolby is trying to attenuate. Dolby S is more complex and seeks also to reduce modulation noise (noise that rises and fails with the level of signal). The earlier reference to a Nakamichi Cassette Deck One's playback azimuth adjustment as being comparable with a Yamaha's playtrim circuit is not correct. Correcting azimuth readback is a mechanical adjustment (and very exacting to do, therefore expensive) and would improve high frequency detail recovery without increasing high frequency noise. It's effect is quite discernable, but subtle rather than profound. Playtrim seeks to restore HF loss in tapes due to magnetic loss(tape age etc) and has a passing crack at HF loss that may have arisen due to azimuth inconsistencies between recording deck and playback deck. This is done by boosting or cutting HF in advance of the dolby circuits and bias trap. This would still have the effect of increasing overall noise in the bands affected. Bear in mind that this is done all in the electronic domain (cheap) and not the mechanical domain (expensive) as is sought by Nakamichi and Tandberg. I venture to suggest that the electronic remedy applied by Pioneer (restore all music to conformity with the 1-f theoretical frequency curve that typifies all music) is more accurate than that used by Yamaha and NAD. For discussions on that you will find numerous threads on FLEX cicuitry in trhe Naktalk archives. Cheers - Marc >>> jberger at well.com 11/22/2005 9:26 PM >>> > In fact, if you raise the treble you will hear more noise. I think > that's a bit how Dolby works. Record with more treble and play with > less. Well, it's a bit more complicated than that, and this is why playback level calibration is important. If all that happened was boosting the treble on record, and reduce it on playback, you would end up saturating the tape with high-level high-frequency content. So Dolby B NR boosts the treble at low record levels (where you are most likely to be bothered by tape hiss noise), but gradually reduces the boost as the record level goes higher (where the music masks the hiss). The cutback in treble works the same way; less of a change at higher record levels. Like many other compression/expansion noise reduction circuits, they assume a good match between the recorded signal and the played back signal. Any discrepancies will be exaggerated; if the deck rolls off the treble because of miscalibration (or because it isn't a Nak), then the Dolby decoding will assume that the musical content is recorded at a lower level and will reduce the treble even more. By calibrating the playback level with a standardized tape, the Dolby decoding tracks the level properly, and reduces the treble by the same amount that it was boosted. Following up with record level calibration ensures that a new tape recorded on this machine will have the Dolby calibrated properly to match the calibrated playback. Dolby C takes the basic idea a step further by do a second band of boost/cut that works more agressively. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Nov 24 11:24:19 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:24:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Playback azimuth adjustment, playtrim etc: Mr Berger Message-ID: Correct Mr Berger, Dolby NR boosts and cuts frequencies of low aplitude. Bias noise is low aplitude stuff, that's what Dolby is trying to attenuate. Dolby S is more complex and seeks also to reduce modulation noise (noise that rises and fails with the level of signal). The earlier reference to a Nakamichi Cassette Deck One's playback azimuth adjustment as being comparable with a Yamaha's playtrim circuit is not correct. Correcting azimuth readback is a mechanical adjustment (and very exacting to do, therefore expensive) and would improve high frequency detail recovery without increasing high frequency noise. It's effect is quite discernable, but subtle rather than profound. Playtrim seeks to restore HF loss in tapes due to magnetic loss(tape age etc) and has a passing crack at HF loss that may have arisen due to azimuth inconsistencies between recording deck and playback deck. This is done by boosting or cutting HF in advance of the dolby circuits and bias trap. This would still have the effect of increasing overall noise in the bands affected. Bear in mind that this is done all in the electronic domain (cheap) and not the mechanical domain (expensive) as is sought by Nakamichi and Tandberg. I venture to suggest that the electronic remedy applied by Pioneer (restore all music to conformity with the 1-f theoretical frequency curve that typifies all music) is more accurate than that used by Yamaha and NAD. For discussions on that you will find numerous threads on FLEX cicuitry in trhe Naktalk archives. Cheers - Marc >>> jberger at well.com 11/22/2005 9:26 PM >>> > In fact, if you raise the treble you will hear more noise. I think > that's a bit how Dolby works. Record with more treble and play with > less. Well, it's a bit more complicated than that, and this is why playback level calibration is important. If all that happened was boosting the treble on record, and reduce it on playback, you would end up saturating the tape with high-level high-frequency content. So Dolby B NR boosts the treble at low record levels (where you are most likely to be bothered by tape hiss noise), but gradually reduces the boost as the record level goes higher (where the music masks the hiss). The cutback in treble works the same way; less of a change at higher record levels. Like many other compression/expansion noise reduction circuits, they assume a good match between the recorded signal and the played back signal. Any discrepancies will be exaggerated; if the deck rolls off the treble because of miscalibration (or because it isn't a Nak), then the Dolby decoding will assume that the musical content is recorded at a lower level and will reduce the treble even more. By calibrating the playback level with a standardized tape, the Dolby decoding tracks the level properly, and reduces the treble by the same amount that it was boosted. Following up with record level calibration ensures that a new tape recorded on this machine will have the Dolby calibrated properly to match the calibrated playback. Dolby C takes the basic idea a step further by do a second band of boost/cut that works more agressively. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 23 22:20:56 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:20:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III In-Reply-To: <4383A16A.8040201@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001c01c5f073$d01b4300$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well Kermit, If you did take some retirement, you could always come and have some fun with me, recording some of the wonderful church organs in my part of the word. Accommodation would, of course, be free. Mind you, two young children might stress you out a bit! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 22 November 2005 22:54 To: rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III Hey Robert, rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hey Kermit, > > How are the Marathon III CDs coming along......is your new supply > alright? New CD supply is excellent. I'm getting CDs out at a trickle buyt they're going out. Last Wednesday I went in for emergency oral surgery, and am recovering slowly. No complications, but wow, I'm getting tired of eating soft foods! Because of the surgery, I didn't make any CDs from last Wednesday through the weekend but I started back at it yesterday. Everyone tells me I should quit working and retire because of my health, but I'd go barking mad, so down with that idea. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Nov 23 13:51:26 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:51:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Edgar Allan Poe & Nakamichi!? In-Reply-To: <200511231100.jANB0llt006974@zxe.naks.com> References: <200511231100.jANB0llt006974@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dan Dinhofer wrote: One day I happened into a derelict bookstore that had a strange looking deck lost on a dusty shelf. It was some ones long forgotten Nak 700II for sale that had definitely seen better days. It wascovered with scratches and appeared to have been tampered with. Curiously I loaded a crappy prerecorded cassette and pressed play. WOW! Not even my high brow home pro unit could approach the sound of this unassuming beater. I was sold. I took it home for $20.00 and spent the nest 3 months rejuvenating as best as I could. Unfortunately, it was too damaged to record. What a great story Dan: almost Lovecraft or Poe. I have had a similar epiphaneos (is that a word?) moment with the crashed 481z i have written a little about ...... that I have now dispatched for a service to B&W. I almost wished your story had lasted longer Ian From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Nov 24 23:22:21 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:22:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 not playing Message-ID: <43863D1D.7040305@xs4all.nl> Hey Everyone, Anyone knows what could be wrong with a 550 not willing to play or move at all. When pressing play/ff/rew it goes into auto-shutoff after a few seconds, no movement at all can be seen or heared from the transport. I cleaned all 'plugs' so I suppose this can't be the problem.. Any leads/ideas? Wouter From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 24 15:45:18 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:45:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 In-Reply-To: <4383A16A.8040201@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001701c5f105$b1d31b60$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hoorah, my Nak 550 has arrived today, only a couple of days after successfully bidding on eBay. Next will be scouting around for some appropriate microphones. However, before that, some listening to be done to see what I think of the 550 that I have bought. This morning Sarah, my lovely wife, has gone to visit a cousin in New Milton and will stay for lunch. This has given me an opportunity to set up and try out the 550 without any interruptions! First of all, thank you Graham for packing it up well, it survived the journey in tact and without any obvious harm. Setting it up was initially frustrating as I scoured the house for a US two pin to UK three pin converter plug without any luck. Luckily I have a shaver socket converter which could just be persuaded to stay in place for testing purposes! First I tried it with an old pre-recorded tape of organ music by Jane Parker-Smith, including the usual faire of Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Mendelssohn's Wedding March and Widor's Toccata from the 5th Organ Symphony along with the Finale from his 8th Organ Symphony. Compared to my BX-2 it sounded a little brighter and ever so slightly faster tape speed. Compared to my Tascam 122 it was a revelation. The Tascam sounded dull, the 550 about right. I have heard this said of the Tascam before and it may well be that the Tascam needs setting up for better playback characteristics but as it stands the 550 well and truly trounced it. Next I put on a cassette that I made on my old Aiwa 3 head machine dated Feb 23 1985. It was a BBC transmission of the Handel Tercentennial concert live at Westminster Cathedral and recorded onto Maxell UDII with Dolby C. It sounded very good indeed despite the lack of Dolby C on the 550. Tape noise on the run in was all but non existent. Compared to my BX-2 I would say that the BX-2 is a little warmer sounding and the tape speed a little slower, just enough to detect a very small change in pitch. All in all then I am very pleased. However,the real purpose of this deck purchase was for portable recording, in particular church pipe organ and that will have to wait until the mics come along, together with a fair bit of practice I guess! Shaun From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Nov 24 19:22:01 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:22:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Message-ID: <003101c5f123$fc76a330$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Adrian, I have a 670ZX (adjusted by Kannan) and a 682ZX (rebuilt by ESL). They are wonderful decks, and as Tom said, they are great looking. If it is good working order, as it sounds like it is, then you will be very happy with it. My only criticism, and it is minor, is the cassette door release is slightly tacky compared to later models....its a little lever rather than a button. Robert Kent Adrian Wrote: >Are there any major weaknesses I should look for in this model? I >notice the popularity of the 680XL, is the only difference though the >manual azimuth adjust? >thanks >adrian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Nov 24 22:27:32 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: <43857112.40802@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43851545.3080604@yahoo.ca> <43857112.40802@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43863044.3030709@yahoo.ca> I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm going to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from which side I have to drill to find the screws. Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped > causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace > the cassette shell. > > The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, > but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on > that one too. > From lists at richardhess.com Fri Nov 25 00:21:28 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:21:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 not playing In-Reply-To: <43863D1D.7040305@xs4all.nl> References: <43863D1D.7040305@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051124182059.05bcb7e0@richardhess.com> Motor not turning? Broken belt? At 05:22 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote: >Hey Everyone, >Anyone knows what could be wrong with a 550 not willing to play or >move at all. >When pressing play/ff/rew it goes into auto-shutoff after a few >seconds, no movement at all can be seen or heared from the transport. >I cleaned all 'plugs' so I suppose this can't be the problem.. >Any leads/ideas? Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Nov 25 00:37:17 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:37:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 not playing In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051124182059.05bcb7e0@richardhess.com> References: <43863D1D.7040305@xs4all.nl> <6.2.5.6.2.20051124182059.05bcb7e0@richardhess.com> Message-ID: <43864EAD.4040109@xs4all.nl> Well the belt needs to be replaced, it's loose but ok. The problem is really the motor itself, don't see any movement at all there. Have also been cleaning the microswitches for play/pause etc... Wouter Richard L. Hess wrote: > Motor not turning? Broken belt? > > At 05:22 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote: > >> Hey Everyone, >> Anyone knows what could be wrong with a 550 not willing to play or >> move at all. >> When pressing play/ff/rew it goes into auto-shutoff after a few >> seconds, no movement at all can be seen or heared from the transport. >> I cleaned all 'plugs' so I suppose this can't be the problem.. >> Any leads/ideas? > From lists at richardhess.com Fri Nov 25 00:47:05 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:47:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 not playing In-Reply-To: <43864EAD.4040109@xs4all.nl> References: <43863D1D.7040305@xs4all.nl> <6.2.5.6.2.20051124182059.05bcb7e0@richardhess.com> <43864EAD.4040109@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051124184327.03118410@richardhess.com> At 06:37 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote: >Well the belt needs to be replaced, it's loose but ok. >The problem is really the motor itself, don't see any movement at all there. >Have also been cleaning the microswitches for play/pause etc... >Wouter Wouter, Divide and conquer. Measure the voltage at the motor. If it's getting voltage and is not turning, it's the motor. If it's not getting voltage... Sadly, I gave away my service manual with my 550 so I can't really help you in depth. I replaced it with a Sony TCD-5M which is much smaller. That's been replaced with a Sony D8 DAT and for casual stuff some minidiscs (which I don't recommend now). I just ordered today a MOTU 828 MK II for "field" recording: 2 mic pres and 8 analog line ins at 96ks/s, 24 bit. It has a firewire port and should attach to my laptop. I carried my 550 all around England in 1976 and 1978 but didn't use it as much as I had hoped. I stopped doing audio around 1982 until about 1998 and now...oh well, that's all I do. Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Nov 25 01:20:09 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:20:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 Message-ID: <20051125001949.FSVU4997.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Shaun, Perhaps your first live recording could be of you thanking your wife for giving you uninterrupted free time with your new 550! A little flattery on your part will go a long way when you finally ask her, "Sweetheart, can I buy a Dragon?" > > All in all then I am very pleased. However,the real purpose of this deck > purchase was for portable recording, in particular church pipe organ and > that will have to wait until the mics come along, together with a fair bit > of practice I guess! > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Nov 25 02:49:51 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:49:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh Message-ID: <200511242049_MC3-1-B050-59C2@compuserve.com> Hi Antoine, I am also buying and collecting a lot of prerecorded/used tapes from people who don't listen to them aymore. As a matter of fact one of them is Chris de Burgh's Into the Light, A&M cs5121. This is a BASF CrO2 tape recorded with Dolby B. The tape is in very good shape and sounds excellent. The ones you got are probably left in the car under sunlight or played X times on a boombox?! Among the used pre-recorded tapes I had the worst experience with XDR (Expanded Dynamic Range) from Capitol Recordings. ALL of these tapes from different sources are in terrible condition. I think the tape material they used is very cheap. Stay away from them! _Fuad >Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 From: Antoine Desch?nes Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <43851545.3080604 at yahoo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi all, I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be useful. The 10 others play fine. Cheers, Antoine < From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 25 05:28:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:28:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: Hi Antoine! Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the screw...the cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very carefully replace the two sides shells, a new shell came with the Pad & Spring. I you can;t obtain any "Brand New" cassette shell...m try to find some cassette that you will be 100% sure that can be dismantled and transfer your tape, to this shell, arrange the liners inside also...you can add a very little "Talc" on the inside black liners so the tape hubs will work much less harder! I hope that you comprehend what I mean? Post us your results! Have a nice weekend, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 > >I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... > >The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm going >to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from which side I >have to drill to find the screws. > >Antoine Desch�nes > > > >Kermit V. Gray a �crit : >>My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped >>causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace the >>cassette shell. >> >>The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, but >>do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on that one >>too. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From al at atd.com.au Fri Nov 25 08:02:07 2005 From: al at atd.com.au (Al Sankauskas) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:32:07 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs Message-ID: <016101c5f18e$26e1a7e0$0400a8c0@ALTOSHI> Does anyone know where I can get a ZX7 repaired. The rollers are shot and need replacing, but no one seems to have any ??? Regards, Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 25 15:03:02 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:03:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh In-Reply-To: <200511242049_MC3-1-B050-59C2@compuserve.com> References: <200511242049_MC3-1-B050-59C2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <43871996.1070804@yahoo.ca> Yes, I also have Into the Light which works perfectly, but Man on the Line and The Getaway are the ones with trouble. I don't think I have a single Capitol tape so I guess I'm OK. Antoine Deschênes Compudude a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > I am also buying and collecting a lot of prerecorded/used tapes from people > who don't listen to them aymore. > As a matter of fact one of them is Chris de Burgh's Into the Light, A&M > cs5121. This is a BASF CrO2 tape recorded > with Dolby B. The tape is in very good shape and sounds excellent. The ones > you got are probably left in the car > under sunlight or played X times on a boombox?! > > Among the used pre-recorded tapes I had the worst experience with XDR > (Expanded Dynamic Range) from > Capitol Recordings. ALL of these tapes from different sources are in > terrible condition. I think the tape material > they used is very cheap. Stay away from them! > > _Fuad > > >> Message: 3 >> > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <43851545.3080604 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with > two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not > able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough > torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I > can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the > tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be > useful. The 10 others play fine. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 25 15:04:45 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438719FD.40309@yahoo.ca> I'll look at that Can new shells be found alone or I'll have to get new tapes and remove the one which is already in the shell? Antoine Deschênes Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Antoine! > > Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the > screw...the cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very carefully > replace the two sides shells, a new shell came with the Pad & Spring. > I you can;t obtain any "Brand New" cassette shell...m try to find some > cassette that you will be 100% sure that can be dismantled and > transfer your tape, to this shell, arrange the liners inside > also...you can add a very little "Talc" on the inside black liners so > the tape hubs will work much less harder! I hope that you comprehend > what I mean? > > Post us your results! > > Have a nice weekend, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 >> >> I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... >> >> The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm >> going to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from >> which side I have to drill to find the screws. >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>> My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped >>> causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace >>> the cassette shell. >>> >>> The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, >>> but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on >>> that one too. >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 25 16:50:37 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:50:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 In-Reply-To: <20051125001949.FSVU4997.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <003301c5f1d7$fdd6c2a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Perhaps your right, a little consideration does ease the path of want/need/must have!! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: 25 November 2005 00:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 550 Shaun, Perhaps your first live recording could be of you thanking your wife for giving you uninterrupted free time with your new 550! A little flattery on your part will go a long way when you finally ask her, "Sweetheart, can I buy a Dragon?" > > All in all then I am very pleased. However,the real purpose of this > deck purchase was for portable recording, in particular church pipe > organ and that will have to wait until the mics come along, together > with a fair bit of practice I guess! > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Fri Nov 25 17:51:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:51:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh In-Reply-To: <200511242049_MC3-1-B050-59C2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I've found that a lot of times when tapes are that old they usually have been abused, not only by being left in a hot car or humid conditions, etc., but played on car players or boom boxes that have never been demagnetized and thus, even when you do get them to play by putting them in a new shell, it's a iffy proposition as to whether you will get back the original, full recorded sound. But it's certainly worth a try and not too difficult to do. Almost all cheap prerecorded cassette shells are welded along the whole seam, like Alex pointed out, so that is a bit difficult to get the tape out with out hurting anything, and what ever you do, be careful that any tools, blades, saws you use are not magnetized! Also, most prerecorded commercial cassettes are recorded at high speed on cheap tape and put in cheap shells and have really bad sound quality, compared to disk or a home done recording using good equipment like the Naks with a good record player, etc. Good Luck Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Compudude Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:50 PM To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh Hi Antoine, I am also buying and collecting a lot of prerecorded/used tapes from people who don't listen to them aymore. As a matter of fact one of them is Chris de Burgh's Into the Light, A&M cs5121. This is a BASF CrO2 tape recorded with Dolby B. The tape is in very good shape and sounds excellent. The ones you got are probably left in the car under sunlight or played X times on a boombox?! Among the used pre-recorded tapes I had the worst experience with XDR (Expanded Dynamic Range) from Capitol Recordings. ALL of these tapes from different sources are in terrible condition. I think the tape material they used is very cheap. Stay away from them! _Fuad >Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 From: Antoine Desch?nes Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <43851545.3080604 at yahoo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi all, I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be useful. The 10 others play fine. Cheers, Antoine < ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My question is this: Does the nak Tuner/deck1 have afloating ground to use Monster cable XLN newest way for grounding the shield. The newest Monster Cable tech sheets suggests discconecting the ground from the shield at the source (which would have floating ground), and leaving it that way or ground the shield to another point to lower the ground noise level floor. I haven't found too much difference either way. I ahve another question. I have a nice Dragon which works flawlessly, except for something i don't is normal or abnormal. When the Dragon is powered up with no tape in the holder, the capstan continues to rotate endlessly. Is this normal? Any help on these questions is much appreciated. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'd not be retired, because I'd be busily scurrying about trying to create ever-better recordings. I know myself. I'd start out with a Nak 550, but before long would be using a customized 3-channel, 1/2-inch tape, Ampex MR70 or 354 (or possibly a 3M 79), running at 30 ips, with my custom mic amps designed just for the venue and the specific organ -- all powered by sinusoidal invertor so no mains connection would be needed. One day you'd find me slumped dead over the tape deck, tape reel spinning with the tape run out (and the tape break arm blocked by my head ... but oh, what a way to go -- making the finest recording of the finest performance in one of the finest venues! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:00:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:00:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Tuner/deck 1 / Dragon Message-ID: Hi Steve! You wrote! >I have another question. I have a nice Dragon which works flawlessly, >except for something i don't is normal or abnormal. When the Dragon is >powered up with no tape in the holder, the capstan continues to rotate >endlessly. Is this normal? YES... I also own the same lovely Dragon and BOTH shine capstans rotate ALL THE TIME...when you power ON the unit. So he always happy...& never worry!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "steve" >Reply-To: kjs1185 at earthlink.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Tuner/deck 1 / Dragon >Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:38:11 -0800 > >Hi nak heads: > >After my Nak TD-1200 mobile tape deck, CD 700, MF-51 CD changer were stolen >form my car, I'm planning to use a new Nak Tuner/Deck (the last with >adjustable azimuth control, 0.8 micron Crystalloy head) in another one of >my cars. I replaced the other eqipment with a CD 700II--one the best, if >not the best (and last), mobile CD head unit--in my other classic car . > >My question is this: Does the nak Tuner/deck1 have afloating ground to use >Monster cable XLN newest way for grounding the shield. The newest Monster >Cable tech sheets suggests discconecting the ground from the shield at the >source (which would have floating ground), and leaving it that way or >ground the shield to another point to lower the ground noise level floor. I >haven't found too much difference either way. > >I ahve another question. I have a nice Dragon which works flawlessly, >except for something i don't is normal or abnormal. When the Dragon is >powered up with no tape in the holder, the capstan continues to rotate >endlessly. Is this normal? > >Any help on these questions is much appreciated. > >Steve >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:09:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:09:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: Hi Antoine! ONCE...in the past 80 & 90ties, TDK sold ONLY shells. If you can obtain them today...really I don't know!, however maybe do you own a "Few" NOT REALLY very important cassettes, from which you can dispose the tape & hubs,,,& use ONLY the shells + Linners...concerning the black linners, rub them the side that touch the tape surfaces...with a little TALC...so the linners will work better! Good Luck...Antoine! ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:45 -0500 > >I'll look at that > >Can new shells be found alone or I'll have to get new tapes and remove the >one which is already in the shell? > >Antoine Desch�nes > > > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Hi Antoine! >> >>Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the screw...the >>cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very carefully replace the two >>sides shells, a new shell came with the Pad & Spring. I you can;t obtain >>any "Brand New" cassette shell...m try to find some cassette that you will >>be 100% sure that can be dismantled and transfer your tape, to this shell, >>arrange the liners inside also...you can add a very little "Talc" on the >>inside black liners so the tape hubs will work much less harder! I hope >>that you comprehend what I mean? >> >>Post us your results! >> >>Have a nice weekend, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >>>Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 >>> >>>I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... >>> >>>The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm going >>>to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from which side I >>>have to drill to find the screws. >>> >>>Antoine Desch�nes >>> >>> >>> >>>Kermit V. Gray a �crit : >>>>My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped >>>>causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace the >>>>cassette shell. >>>> >>>>The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, but >>>>do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on that one >>>>too. >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:12:15 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:12:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh Message-ID: Hi Doane! You get 100% to the right point...Bravo!!! Cheers. ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh >Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:51:35 -0800 > >Unfortunately, I've found that a lot of times when tapes are that old they >usually have been abused, not only by being left in a hot car or humid >conditions, etc., but played on car players or boom boxes that have never >been demagnetized and thus, even when you do get them to play by putting >them in a new shell, it's a iffy proposition as to whether you will get >back >the original, full recorded sound. But it's certainly worth a try and not >too difficult to do. Almost all cheap prerecorded cassette shells are >welded >along the whole seam, like Alex pointed out, so that is a bit difficult to >get the tape out with out hurting anything, and what ever you do, be >careful >that any tools, blades, saws you use are not magnetized! > >Also, most prerecorded commercial cassettes are recorded at high speed on >cheap tape and put in cheap shells and have really bad sound quality, >compared to disk or a home done recording using good equipment like the >Naks >with a good record player, etc. > >Good Luck > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Compudude >Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:50 PM >To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh > > >Hi Antoine, > >I am also buying and collecting a lot of prerecorded/used tapes from people >who don't listen to them aymore. >As a matter of fact one of them is Chris de Burgh's Into the Light, A&M >cs5121. This is a BASF CrO2 tape recorded >with Dolby B. The tape is in very good shape and sounds excellent. The ones >you got are probably left in the car >under sunlight or played X times on a boombox?! > >Among the used pre-recorded tapes I had the worst experience with XDR >(Expanded Dynamic Range) from >Capitol Recordings. ALL of these tapes from different sources are in >terrible condition. I think the tape material >they used is very cheap. Stay away from them! > > _Fuad > > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 >From: Antoine Desch?nes >Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <43851545.3080604 at yahoo.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi all, > >I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with >two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not >able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough >torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I >can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the >tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be >useful. The 10 others play fine. > >Cheers, >Antoine > >< > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From coleco at wanadoo.nl Sat Nov 26 11:45:30 2005 From: coleco at wanadoo.nl (Fred) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:45:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Tuner/deck 1 / Dragon References: <380-220051162643811625@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005901c5f276$857a3a90$757ba8c0@workstation> Hello Steve, the rotation op de capstan's is normal when power up your Dragon. I have also a Dragon , and my CR7 does the same. best regards Fred The Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Tuner/deck 1 / Dragon Hi nak heads: After my Nak TD-1200 mobile tape deck, CD 700, MF-51 CD changer were stolen form my car, I'm planning to use a new Nak Tuner/Deck (the last with adjustable azimuth control, 0.8 micron Crystalloy head) in another one of my cars. I replaced the other eqipment with a CD 700II--one the best, if not the best (and last), mobile CD head unit--in my other classic car . My question is this: Does the nak Tuner/deck1 have afloating ground to use Monster cable XLN newest way for grounding the shield. The newest Monster Cable tech sheets suggests discconecting the ground from the shield at the source (which would have floating ground), and leaving it that way or ground the shield to another point to lower the ground noise level floor. I haven't found too much difference either way. I ahve another question. I have a nice Dragon which works flawlessly, except for something i don't is normal or abnormal. When the Dragon is powered up with no tape in the holder, the capstan continues to rotate endlessly. Is this normal? Any help on these questions is much appreciated. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25-11-2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25-11-2005 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 26 14:41:20 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:41:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43886600.5050209@yahoo.ca> I found a place that sells shells, but in 12 packs. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Antoine! > > ONCE...in the past 80 & 90ties, TDK sold ONLY shells. If you can > obtain them today...really I don't know!, however maybe do you own a > "Few" NOT REALLY very important cassettes, from which you can dispose > the tape & hubs,,,& use ONLY the shells + Linners...concerning the > black linners, rub them the side that touch the tape surfaces...with a > little TALC...so the linners will work better! > > Good Luck...Antoine! > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:45 -0500 >> >> I'll look at that >> >> Can new shells be found alone or I'll have to get new tapes and >> remove the one which is already in the shell? >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Alex Cozac a écrit : >>> Hi Antoine! >>> >>> Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the >>> screw...the cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very >>> carefully replace the two sides shells, a new shell came with the >>> Pad & Spring. I you can;t obtain any "Brand New" cassette shell...m >>> try to find some cassette that you will be 100% sure that can be >>> dismantled and transfer your tape, to this shell, arrange the liners >>> inside also...you can add a very little "Talc" on the inside black >>> liners so the tape hubs will work much less harder! I hope that you >>> comprehend what I mean? >>> >>> Post us your results! >>> >>> Have a nice weekend, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>>> Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 >>>> >>>> I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... >>>> >>>> The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm >>>> going to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from >>>> which side I have to drill to find the screws. >>>> >>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>>>> My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is >>>>> warped causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best >>>>> fix: replace the cassette shell. >>>>> >>>>> The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter >>>>> Nak, but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette >>>>> shell on that one too. >>>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 26 14:42:18 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:42:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4388663A.1070908@yahoo.ca> That's what the guy told me. He played them again and again. I don't have a demagnetizer myself. I should get/build one. Doane Hoag a écrit : > Unfortunately, I've found that a lot of times when tapes are that old they > usually have been abused, not only by being left in a hot car or humid > conditions, etc., but played on car players or boom boxes that have never > been demagnetized and thus, even when you do get them to play by putting > them in a new shell, it's a iffy proposition as to whether you will get back > the original, full recorded sound. But it's certainly worth a try and not > too difficult to do. Almost all cheap prerecorded cassette shells are welded > along the whole seam, like Alex pointed out, so that is a bit difficult to > get the tape out with out hurting anything, and what ever you do, be careful > that any tools, blades, saws you use are not magnetized! > > Also, most prerecorded commercial cassettes are recorded at high speed on > cheap tape and put in cheap shells and have really bad sound quality, > compared to disk or a home done recording using good equipment like the Naks > with a good record player, etc. > > Good Luck > > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Compudude > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:50 PM > To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > Chris de Burgh > > > Hi Antoine, > > I am also buying and collecting a lot of prerecorded/used tapes from people > who don't listen to them aymore. > As a matter of fact one of them is Chris de Burgh's Into the Light, A&M > cs5121. This is a BASF CrO2 tape recorded > with Dolby B. The tape is in very good shape and sounds excellent. The ones > you got are probably left in the car > under sunlight or played X times on a boombox?! > > Among the used pre-recorded tapes I had the worst experience with XDR > (Expanded Dynamic Range) from > Capitol Recordings. ALL of these tapes from different sources are in > terrible condition. I think the tape material > they used is very cheap. Stay away from them! > > _Fuad > > >> Message: 3 >> > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:20:05 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <43851545.3080604 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > I just received a bunch of old commercial tapes and I have problems with > two of them. They are both Chris de Burgh "A&M Stereo Tapes". I'm not > able to rewind or ff one of them because the Nak doesn't have enough > torque to pull it. It's not even able to play fine. Someone knows what I > can do to solve this? One of the tapes lost the pad that goes over the > tape with the head normally going under it. I still have it if it can be > useful. The 10 others play fine. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25/11/2005 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 26 17:23:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:23:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: Hi Antonie! So...today you found such place...you will wait for more years...& finally YOU WILL NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE...so buy a dozen...& will save you in the future! That; is my heart fully advice!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:41:20 -0500 > >I found a place that sells shells, but in 12 packs. > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Hi Antoine! >> >>ONCE...in the past 80 & 90ties, TDK sold ONLY shells. If you can obtain >>them today...really I don't know!, however maybe do you own a "Few" NOT >>REALLY very important cassettes, from which you can dispose the tape & >>hubs,,,& use ONLY the shells + Linners...concerning the black linners, rub >>them the side that touch the tape surfaces...with a little TALC...so the >>linners will work better! >> >>Good Luck...Antoine! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >>>Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:45 -0500 >>> >>>I'll look at that >>> >>>Can new shells be found alone or I'll have to get new tapes and remove >>>the one which is already in the shell? >>> >>>Antoine Desch�nes >>> >>> >>> >>>Alex Cozac a �crit : >>>>Hi Antoine! >>>> >>>>Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the >>>>screw...the cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very carefully >>>>replace the two sides shells, a new shell came with the Pad & Spring. I >>>>you can;t obtain any "Brand New" cassette shell...m try to find some >>>>cassette that you will be 100% sure that can be dismantled and transfer >>>>your tape, to this shell, arrange the liners inside also...you can add a >>>>very little "Talc" on the inside black liners so the tape hubs will work >>>>much less harder! I hope that you comprehend what I mean? >>>> >>>>Post us your results! >>>> >>>>Have a nice weekend, >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>>>Decks >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >>>>>Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... >>>>> >>>>>The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm >>>>>going to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from which >>>>>side I have to drill to find the screws. >>>>> >>>>>Antoine Desch�nes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kermit V. Gray a �crit : >>>>>>My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped >>>>>>causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace >>>>>>the cassette shell. >>>>>> >>>>>>The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, >>>>>>but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on >>>>>>that one too. >>>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jsmccoy at adelphia.net Sat Nov 26 18:10:52 2005 From: jsmccoy at adelphia.net (Jeff McCoy) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:10:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback Message-ID: <001901c5f2ac$5d48dc80$0200a8c0@DELL8300> Hi folks, I'm new to this group. It's great to see that there are still those who truly appreciate the performance and build quality of Nak's vintage tape decks, even in this digital age. I've had a long standing respect for all things Nakamichi (especially their tape decks). I recently purchased a used Model 480 from a seller on the Audiogon site, for use in transferring some deteriorating tapes to digital WAV/MP3 format for preservation. After playing through 6 tapes (A and B sides) without issue, the 480 will not engage the Play function, nor will it Rewind or Fast Forward. When I push the Play button, the transport engages for about 1 second, then auto-stops. I looked inside the unit, and all belts appear to be intact. Facing the front of the unit, and looking down, I see three motors (one top and one bottom to the left side, and one toward the bottom on the right side). When I push Play, the left-side bottom motor engages, the left-side top motor does not, and the right-side motor labors to engage the large gear mechanism (forgive me for all the non-technical jargon). Any thoughts on what needs to be repaired/replaced? Given that I paid only $60 for the 480 (including shipping), would it be logical to have it repaired by a Nak repair center, or (assuming an expensive repair) invest in an upgrade unit (ZX-7, RX-303, RX-505, LX-5, etc.)? Are parts still readily available for the 480? Cosmetically, the unit inside and out is like new, but I understand that with a vintage piece like this, problems can and do happen without warning. If I should upgrade, can you recommend a solid Nak deck that is less prone to problems given the model? Can you recommend models I should avoid? Thanks! Jeff Hudson, OH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 26 21:02:49 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:02:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4388BF69.4080301@yahoo.ca> 12 or 24 here: http://www.tracertek.com/taperestoration.htm one at the time: http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=AD-Cassette-Shell Doane Hoag a écrit : > Where? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:41 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working > > > I found a place that sells shells, but in 12 packs. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25/11/2005 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 04:29:04 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:29:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback In-Reply-To: <001901c5f2ac$5d48dc80$0200a8c0@DELL8300> Message-ID: <20051127032904.30286.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff Eventhough repair of 480 may not be cheap as a deck sold on ebay due to labor cost pretty high in US and shipping to anybody outside your city costs in about 40$- to and fro? However - there is a likelyhood of one belt connecting the Mode Cam drive motor - the one trying to engage could be the issue ( that is the right side bottom motor as you mentioned). What you can do is to push that Gear to help that motor to engage the Cam. If that helps in play - it is a simple belt ( costs over 10$ though from Classic nakamichi at UK . The US spare parts center at California may not even reply - but try it and see whether you are lucky) good luck K Jeff McCoy wrote: Hi folks, I'm new to this group. It's great to see that there are still those who truly appreciate the performance and build quality of Nak's vintage tape decks, even in this digital age. I've had a long standing respect for all things Nakamichi (especially their tape decks). I recently purchased a used Model 480 from a seller on the Audiogon site, for use in transferring some deteriorating tapes to digital WAV/MP3 format for preservation. After playing through 6 tapes (A and B sides) without issue, the 480 will not engage the Play function, nor will it Rewind or Fast Forward. When I push the Play button, the transport engages for about 1 second, then auto-stops. I looked inside the unit, and all belts appear to be intact. Facing the front of the unit, and looking down, I see three motors (one top and one bottom to the left side, and one toward the bottom on the right side). When I push Play, the left-side bottom motor engages, the left-side top motor does not, and the right-side motor labors to engage the large gear mechanism (forgive me for all the non-technical jargon). Any thoughts on what needs to be repaired/replaced? Given that I paid only $60 for the 480 (including shipping), would it be logical to have it repaired by a Nak repair center, or (assuming an expensive repair) invest in an upgrade unit (ZX-7, RX-303, RX-505, LX-5, etc.)? Are parts still readily available for the 480? Cosmetically, the unit inside and out is like new, but I understand that with a vintage piece like this, problems can and do happen without warning. If I should upgrade, can you recommend a solid Nak deck that is less prone to problems given the model? Can you recommend models I should avoid? Thanks! Jeff Hudson, OH ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 27 00:54:21 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:54:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback In-Reply-To: <001901c5f2ac$5d48dc80$0200a8c0@DELL8300> Message-ID: <000901c5f2e4$b8b71a40$ddc087d9@oemcomputer> Jeff wrote: " I recently purchased a used Model 480 from a seller on the Audiogon site, for use in transferring some deteriorating tapes to digital WAV/MP3 format for preservation." Preserving cassette recordings down to MP3 .... isn't that a contradiction in terms? <> Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveharris at clear.net.nz Sun Nov 27 01:26:46 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:26:46 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Manual for NAK CR-1 Message-ID: <005b01c5f2e9$4092a020$645c65da@riccarton.school.nz> Hi Guys (and Girls) JUst bought My Second Nak a CR-1 for $25nz. It has a few scratches on top but is functionally perfect and well adjusted. Does anyone out there have a user manual I can download? Cheers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 27 01:41:38 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:41:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c5f2eb$5372dc80$ddc087d9@oemcomputer> Guys Look out for mail like the attached: It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not contacted them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to go to reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and password. I've reported this to eBay. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "eBay member" Subject: Question from eBay Member Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:56:21 -0000 Size: 14569 URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 27 11:55:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:55:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" Message-ID: Dear Gra' Beware...of this kind of "Attachment"...when came to me...I delete them! Can damaged your computer...IF...you Gra' or one of you dear members, DO NOT recall that made some deal...DELETE! will be safe and better!!!! Be very carefully!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:41:38 -0000 > >Guys > >Look out for mail like the attached: > >It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not contacted >them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to go to >reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item >sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay >sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and >password. > >I've reported this to eBay. > >Gra' ><< message3.txt >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 27 12:11:15 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:11:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" In-Reply-To: <001801c5f2eb$5372dc80$ddc087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001901c5f343$49897230$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for the warning Gra'. Nasty!! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 27 November 2005 00:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" Guys Look out for mail like the attached: It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not contacted them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to go to reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and password. I've reported this to eBay. Gra' From chasw at tampabay.rr.com Sun Nov 27 14:43:17 2005 From: chasw at tampabay.rr.com (Charles Wilson) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:43:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-444 Message-ID: <000301c5f358$868a9d70$65c8a8c0@wilson1> Does anybody know the dimensions of the Nak CR-4? I'm thinking about buying one but want to make sure it will fit into my rack. Charles From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Nov 27 15:24:00 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:24:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4389C180.6050004@yahoo.ca> Well, if it's not fake you can see it in your My eBay mailbox. If it's not there, it's fake. I don't have any eBay or PayPal account on the address that I use to write this but I receive fake PayPal and eBay mails. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Dear Gra' > > Beware...of this kind of "Attachment"...when came to me...I delete > them! Can damaged your computer...IF...you Gra' or one of you dear > members, DO NOT recall that made some deal...DELETE! will be safe and > better!!!! > > Be very carefully!!!!! > > ALEX! > >> From: "Nelson" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: >> Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" >> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:41:38 -0000 >> >> Guys >> >> Look out for mail like the attached: >> >> It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not >> contacted >> them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to >> go to >> reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item >> sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay >> sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and >> password. >> >> I've reported this to eBay. >> >> Gra' > > >> << message3.txt >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Nov 27 16:24:38 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:24:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" In-Reply-To: <001801c5f2eb$5372dc80$ddc087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Thanks, Gra I received one the other day telling me that I am now a power seller and am elgible for certain benefits, etc. and to reply within 24 hours to accept the honor. Another one that almost got me was a PayPal notice saying I had just received a payment for item 45647. I couldn't remember what it was for, but the amount of $900 was way to high for anything I had sold and it was a phiser email too. Am getting more an more of these. Ebay made the best suggestion... if you get a notice from them do not link to anything, but go directly to the Ebay site and check your messages. If the same message isn't there, it's a phiser mail trick. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" Guys Look out for mail like the attached: It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not contacted them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to go to reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and password. I've reported this to eBay. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Nov 27 16:50:26 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:50:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But, pink? ...why did they pick pink shells? Gads! I love my cassettes, but I don't relate to them sexually. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working Hi Antonie! So...today you found such place...you will wait for more years...& finally YOU WILL NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE...so buy a dozen...& will save you in the future! That; is my heart fully advice!!! Cheers, ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Nov 27 17:00:15 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:00:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4389D80F.3090300@yahoo.ca> Or you can look at the link in the stat bar, it's not ebay.com but often things like ebay-cgi.com if it's BS. Doane Hoag a écrit : > Thanks, Gra > > I received one the other day telling me that I am now a power seller and am > elgible for certain benefits, etc. and to reply within 24 hours to accept > the honor. > Another one that almost got me was a PayPal notice saying I had just > received a payment for item 45647. I couldn't remember what it was for, but > the amount of $900 was way to high for anything I had sold and it was a > phiser email too. > Am getting more an more of these. > > Ebay made the best suggestion... if you get a notice from them do not link > to anything, but go directly to the Ebay site and check your messages. If > the same message isn't there, it's a phiser mail trick. > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:42 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" > > > Guys > > Look out for mail like the attached: > > It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not contacted > them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to go to > reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item > sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay > sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and > password. > > I've reported this to eBay. > > Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25/11/2005 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 27 17:05:53 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:05:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: Hi my dear Doane! I saw the same ads, so will be easy to find them when you needed...Ha...Ha...Ha! Get from the other seller, are NOT pink...but must buy a dozen or two, etc...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tapes not working >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:50:26 -0800 > >But, pink? ...why did they pick pink shells? Gads! I love my cassettes, but >I don't relate to them sexually. :~) > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:24 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working > > >Hi Antonie! > >So...today you found such place...you will wait for more years...& finally >YOU WILL NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE...so buy a dozen...& will save you in the >future! That; is my heart fully advice!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jsmccoy at adelphia.net Sun Nov 27 17:09:44 2005 From: jsmccoy at adelphia.net (Jeff McCoy) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:09:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback References: <000901c5f2e4$b8b71a40$ddc087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002001c5f36c$fccfedf0$0200a8c0@DELL8300> Gra': Contradiction? I suppose so. The sampling rate I use will not capture the complete analog waveform of the source tape. But ... those funny silver discs don't shed over time. At least I hope not. ;-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback Jeff wrote: " I recently purchased a used Model 480 from a seller on the Audiogon site, for use in transferring some deteriorating tapes to digital WAV/MP3 format for preservation." Preserving cassette recordings down to MP3 .... isn't that a contradiction in terms? <> Gra' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Nov 27 17:25:27 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:25:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4389DDF7.3060705@yahoo.ca> Hehehe. I think that the cam used to make the pics is not pretty good. These are supposed to be white. But say I take the ones from WMSales, which are a lot cheaper, even by the dozen than the other link: http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=AD-Cassette-Shell Which one is the best? Just by looking at my tapes the clear ones seem better made but I'd like your advice. So say I take the clear ones, there are 6 different types, what is what? http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=C0-SPCL There are Tab-In, Tab-Out, I guess it's for recording? Also there are some liner colors, that's the foil in the case I think? Chrome notch is for chrome tapes I think? And what's Magnetic leader? Doane Hoag a écrit : > But, pink? ...why did they pick pink shells? Gads! I love my cassettes, but > I don't relate to them sexually. :~) > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working > > > Hi Antonie! > > So...today you found such place...you will wait for more years...& finally > YOU WILL NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE...so buy a dozen...& will save you in the > future! 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Nov 27 17:44:28 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:44:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: <4389DDF7.3060705@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: I would probably go with the clear one too. Try some out and see how they look. My next choice would be the 5 screw, the other tab out type is a welded case which you wouldn't want. Doane ------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:25 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working Hehehe. I think that the cam used to make the pics is not pretty good. These are supposed to be white. But say I take the ones from WMSales, which are a lot cheaper, even by the dozen than the other link: http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=AD-C assette-Shell Which one is the best? Just by looking at my tapes the clear ones seem better made but I'd like your advice. So say I take the clear ones, there are 6 different types, what is what? http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=C0-SP CL There are Tab-In, Tab-Out, I guess it's for recording? Also there are some liner colors, that's the foil in the case I think? Chrome notch is for chrome tapes I think? And what's Magnetic leader? Doane Hoag a écrit : But, pink? ...why did they pick pink shells? Gads! I love my cassettes, but I don't relate to them sexually. :~) Doane From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Nov 27 19:27:59 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:27:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" Message-ID: <20051127182821.HVDP8508.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Gra' This is getting to be typical eBay and Paypal spam scams. If you get one from eBay, forward the entire message to spoof at ebay.com If it's from Paypal, forward the entire message to spoof at paypal.com It is important to forward the message with FULL HEADERS as it serves to show the server route info. > > From: "Nelson" > Date: 2005/11/26 Sat PM 07:41:38 EST > To: > Subject: [naktalk] eBay scam "heads up" > > Guys > > Look out for mail like the attached: > > It claims to come from an eBay member complaining that you've not contacted > them about a purchase you haven't made. The initial reaction is to go to > reply or, if you are slightly suspicious, click on the link to the item > sold. Either takes you to what appears to be a good copy of the eBay > sign-in, from where I presume, the baddies skim off your eBay ID and > password. > > I've reported this to eBay. > > Gra' > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "eBay member" Subject: Question from eBay Member Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:56:21 -0000 Size: 14570 URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Nov 27 23:06:16 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:06:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 5" r2r Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DBE0@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Your best bet is ebay but if you want I can sling you some. How many do you need? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2005 2:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 5" r2r Anyone know where I can find 5" reel to reel tapes? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 27 20:33:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working Message-ID: Hi Doane! I really saw the two webs, very lightly, GO only where the shells are WITH SCREWS! The color really it's NOT so important...it's ONLY a replacement for your defective "Original" ones! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Antoine Desch�nes , "Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tapes not working >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:44:28 -0800 > >I would probably go with the clear one too. Try some out and see how they >look. >My next choice would be the 5 screw, the other tab out type is a welded >case >which you wouldn't want. > >Doane > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Desch�nes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:25 AM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working > > >Hehehe. I think that the cam used to make the pics is not pretty good. >These >are supposed to be white. > >But say I take the ones from WMSales, which are a lot cheaper, even by the >dozen than the other link: >http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=AD-C >assette-Shell > >Which one is the best? > >Just by looking at my tapes the clear ones seem better made but I'd like >your advice. > >So say I take the clear ones, there are 6 different types, what is what? >http://www.wmsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=C0-SP >CL > >There are Tab-In, Tab-Out, I guess it's for recording? >Also there are some liner colors, that's the foil in the case I think? >Chrome notch is for chrome tapes I think? >And what's Magnetic leader? > >Doane Hoag a �crit : >But, pink? ...why did they pick pink shells? Gads! I love my cassettes, but >I don't relate to them sexually. :~) > >Doane > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjkent at comcast.net Sun Nov 27 21:32:42 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:32:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 48 References: <200511271922.jARJM8vp020397@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000601c5f391$bbf3ed20$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Charles, I have 2 CR-4s....great decks! The dimensions are as follows: 17"wide x 10.5"deep x 4.5"high with feet. The depth of course does not include clearance for the protruding RCA jacks and power cord. Robert Kent > From: "Charles Wilson" > Subject: [naktalk] CR-444 > Does anybody know the dimensions of the Nak CR-4? I'm thinking about > buying one but want to make sure it will fit into my rack. > Charles From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 28 01:18:50 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:18:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-444 In-Reply-To: <000301c5f358$868a9d70$65c8a8c0@wilson1> References: <000301c5f358$868a9d70$65c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: <438A4CEA.10500@rcn.com> Charles Wilson wrote: > Does anybody know the dimensions of the Nak CR-4? I'm thinking about > buying one but want to make sure it will fit into my rack. > Charles 430 x 100 x 265 mm. That's about 16.6" x 4" x 10.6". -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 28 01:39:12 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:39:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: <438719FD.40309@yahoo.ca> References: <438719FD.40309@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <438A51B0.2070503@rcn.com> I have repaired quite a few pre-recorded cassettes whose shells went bad. Usually, the slip sheets became rough and jammed against the sides of the tape cakes inside the shell. Since most -- if not all -- pre-recorded cassettes shells seem to be of the welded kind, I broke them open, being careful not to harm the tapes. I was lucky to have a supply of TDK D cassettes whose shells are held by 5 screws. (Radio Shack also used to carry empty shells for about $1. I am not sure whether they still do). Transferring the tapes to their new shell was easy. I used a hot air gun to heat the old shells, just enough to soften the labels glue. I then lifted them carefully and transferred to the new shell. Usually, there was no need for additional glue. London labels withstood the transfer quite well. Philips labels were of shoddy quality and didn't do that well. The end result is new life for old tapes that would otherwise have to be discarded. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I'll look at that > > Can new shells be found alone or I'll have to get new tapes and remove > the one which is already in the shell? > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > Alex Cozac a écrit : > >> Hi Antoine! >> >> Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the >> screw...the cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very carefully >> replace the two sides shells, a new shell came with the Pad & Spring. >> I you can;t obtain any "Brand New" cassette shell...m try to find some >> cassette that you will be 100% sure that can be dismantled and >> transfer your tape, to this shell, arrange the liners inside >> also...you can add a very little "Talc" on the inside black liners so >> the tape hubs will work much less harder! I hope that you comprehend >> what I mean? >> >> Post us your results! >> >> Have a nice weekend, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Antoine Deschênes >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>> Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >>> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 >>> >>> I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... >>> >>> The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm >>> going to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from >>> which side I have to drill to find the screws. >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes >>> >>> >>> >>> Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>> >>>> My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is warped >>>> causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best fix: replace >>>> the cassette shell. >>>> >>>> The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter Nak, >>>> but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette shell on >>>> that one too. From Alan.Olan at ing.com.au Mon Nov 28 02:53:23 2005 From: Alan.Olan at ing.com.au (Alan Olan) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:53:23 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sank (was repair in NY) Message-ID: <32AFE3FCC0C7F14B86DFBDF0633739453E6556@MERCURY.au.oceania.intranet> Hi Fred, I was in the same situation as you are about my Nak 700ZXE. When I visited the US from Australia, I put Alburquerque on my list and visited Stephen. He was in the final process of finishing my deck. I spent a great deal to get it overhauled. I also wrote it off and even ask if anyone in the US would like the deck for a nominal amount. I am glad I went and got it, the unit sounds great and it's recording is outstanding. It sounds better than my Nak ZX9. Stephen I think has a lot on his plate, raising a teenage daughter but I agree with you that he should at least return phone calls and emails. I don't think he is dishonest and I hope you get your decks back. Stephen actually gave me a tuner he modified for the 18 months that I waited to get the deck back. I took my 700ZXE to a Nakamichi Technician here in Sydney because something went loose when I went back home and he commented that the work done on the deck was really high quality and should give me years of service. I can only thank Stephen for the work but the waiting was excruciatingly painful as I was halfway around the world. Hope you get the same outcome as I have. I am not sure whether I will send another deck his way but I am tempted because of the results but I may need to plan to go to Albuquerque again to get it. Cheers Alan IMPORTANT NOTICE This communication including any file attachments is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original transmission and its contents. Any unauthorised use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this communication including any file attachments is prohibited. It is your responsibility to scan this communication including any file attachment for viruses and other defects. To the extent permitted by law, ING and its associates will not be liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this communication including file attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Nov 28 03:21:13 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:21:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: <4389DDF7.3060705@yahoo.ca> References: <4389DDF7.3060705@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <438A6999.5010803@woods-and-waters.com> Andre, Do not buy tab out -- they're for high speed dup'ers. Mag leader is recordable. Skip it. 5-screw, clear is best. Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hehehe. I think that the cam used to make the pics is not pretty good. > These are supposed to be white. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From kjs1185 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 28 07:13:02 2005 From: kjs1185 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:13:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 Message-ID: <380-22005111286132500@earthlink.net> Hi shaun, I'm into portable recording, too, so that I can pay it on my Dragon at home (jealous???). I have a Sony Pro D-6 cassette and a Sony d-8 DAT. One interesting article I read about field recording was that the recording hardware wasn't as important as the mic placement. The rec. engineer used an Ampex 1/2" tape deck, a Sony D-6 cassette and a Sony D-8 DAT recording the same concert, but each recording device with different mic placements. It seems that to an audiophile test audience, they preferred the Sony D-6 cassette recording. BTW: my first mobile audio system (circa 1980 was a Nak 350, ADS 300i, ADS PowerPlate 100) Steve > [Original Message] > From: Shaun Montgomery > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: 11/26/2005 2:50:14 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 550 > > Perhaps your right, a little consideration does ease the path of > want/need/must have!! > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of rjlbjk at cox.net > Sent: 25 November 2005 00:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 550 > > > Shaun, > > Perhaps your first live recording could be of you thanking your wife for > giving you uninterrupted free time with your new 550! > > A little flattery on your part will go a long way when you finally ask her, > "Sweetheart, can I buy a Dragon?" > > > > > > All in all then I am very pleased. However,the real purpose of this > > deck purchase was for portable recording, in particular church pipe > > organ and that will have to wait until the mics come along, together > > with a fair bit of practice I guess! > > > > Shaun > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Nov 28 15:50:10 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:50:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon + Extras for sale. Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051128093510.01bb85b8@psulias.psu.edu> Well, as much as I love my Dragon, I love my 1970 Trans Am more. http://www.pontiacpower.net/pictures/70ta1.jpg This old car has been in my family since it was brand new and has needed a lot of work of late. Just found out that the engine/suspension overhaul it needed was $5500 rather than $3000. Oil pump failed, engine severely damaged. Also the 1970 was a one of a kind Trans Am in many ways, so parts are extraordinarily hard to find and expensive. I think all Nak freaks can relate to that! At any rate, what does this have to do with you? It means you have the opportunity to purchase an absolutely perfectly functioning Dragon, and cosmetically above average (minor nicks) with copies of the manual, a pdf of the service manual, a copy of the Stereo Review tape deck shoot out that featured the Dragon vs other noteworthy decks of the day and I'll also include two SKC Metal Tapes and 10 EMTEC 60 minute Chrome Super II tapes (the ones now in production). The deck was cleaned, demagged, aligned,calibrated, serviced, had the timer belt replaced and back lamp replaced about six months ago. The technician is very experienced with Nakamichi products, he also fixed my CR-5 just fine and had a 700II sitting behind the counter. I have used the Dragon regularly, recorded on all three settings, and everything works excellently. The price is $800 + shipping... firm. You will be able to take this out of the box, and use it immediately. No shipping off to B&W or Steve Sank for months, no unexpected $400-$500 repair services. It works at %100 spec. >---------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From at at atdesign.hu Mon Nov 28 16:12:54 2005 From: at at atdesign.hu (AT) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:12:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for spare part Message-ID: Hi All :) I have a Nakamichi RX505E deck, which has a minor problem with a switch, and I want to replace the panel for this. The panel's part number is: BA05166A (B02/11 page: Switch P.C.B. Ass'y) If You have any idea, please share it with me! Thanks, Tibor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 28 17:48:36 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:48:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes not working In-Reply-To: <438A51B0.2070503@rcn.com> References: <438719FD.40309@yahoo.ca> <438A51B0.2070503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <438B34E4.2050305@yahoo.ca> These are the only commercial tapes that I have that don't have screws. All the other have some. Ron a écrit : > > I have repaired quite a few pre-recorded cassettes > whose shells went bad. Usually, the slip sheets > became rough and jammed against the sides of the > tape cakes inside the shell. > > Since most -- if not all -- pre-recorded cassettes > shells seem to be of the welded kind, I broke them > open, being careful not to harm the tapes. I was > lucky to have a supply of TDK D cassettes whose > shells are held by 5 screws. (Radio Shack also used > to carry empty shells for about $1. I am not sure > whether they still do). Transferring the tapes to > their new shell was easy. > > I used a hot air gun to heat the old shells, just > enough to soften the labels glue. I then lifted them > carefully and transferred to the new shell. Usually, > there was no need for additional glue. London labels > withstood the transfer quite well. Philips labels > were of shoddy quality and didn't do that well. > > The end result is new life for old tapes that would > otherwise have to be discarded. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> I'll look at that >> >> Can new shells be found alone or I'll have to get new tapes and >> remove the one which is already in the shell? >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Alex Cozac a écrit : >> >>> Hi Antoine! >>> >>> Don't TRY to repair the originally shell, if you CAN'T see the >>> screw...the cassette is "Welded", you MUST break it and very >>> carefully replace the two sides shells, a new shell came with the >>> Pad & Spring. I you can;t obtain any "Brand New" cassette shell...m >>> try to find some cassette that you will be 100% sure that can be >>> dismantled and transfer your tape, to this shell, arrange the liners >>> inside also...you can add a very little "Talc" on the inside black >>> liners so the tape hubs will work much less harder! I hope that you >>> comprehend what I mean? >>> >>> Post us your results! >>> >>> Have a nice weekend, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>>> Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes not working >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:32 -0500 >>>> >>>> I just have to find those old answering machine tapes... >>>> >>>> The pad that felt was from an A&M cassette that was jamming, so I'm >>>> going to replace it anyways! I also have to find the corners from >>>> which side I have to drill to find the screws. >>>> >>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>>> >>>>> My guess is that the tapes' liner is jamming, or the shell is >>>>> warped causing jamming, or the tape pack causes jamming. Best >>>>> fix: replace the cassette shell. >>>>> >>>>> The cassette's pad is a necessity, unless you have a pad lifter >>>>> Nak, but do not try to re-glue it -- replace the tape cassette >>>>> shell on that one too. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 28 20:22:57 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:22:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 In-Reply-To: <380-22005111286132500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000701c5f451$25ed8aa0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Steve, That's the one real concern that I have, where to position the mmics for optimal recording. I have no experience in this field at all, just a desire to do so. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of steve Sent: 28 November 2005 06:13 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 550 Hi shaun, I'm into portable recording, too, so that I can pay it on my Dragon at home (jealous???). I have a Sony Pro D-6 cassette and a Sony d-8 DAT. One interesting article I read about field recording was that the recording hardware wasn't as important as the mic placement. The rec. engineer used an Ampex 1/2" tape deck, a Sony D-6 cassette and a Sony D-8 DAT recording the same concert, but each recording device with different mic placements. It seems that to an audiophile test audience, they preferred the Sony D-6 cassette recording. BTW: my first mobile audio system (circa 1980 was a Nak 350, ADS 300i, ADS PowerPlate 100) Steve From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Mon Nov 28 23:51:49 2005 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:51:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? Message-ID: I'm about to buy either a DR1, a BX300E or wait for a CR7. Should I wait? Which is best? I recently bought a Walkman Professional and was stunned by the quality. I can record vinyl onto Cassette and it sounds better than my £1500 Docet Lector CD player, dolby off. I have stacks of TDK SA and SAx to re-record precious vinyl to play on the walkman but figure a Nak will do a better job, especially with three heads. Also, cassette in my Alpine car player so much better than CD! Digital? - Doh! Great site by the way -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 29 11:28:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:28:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? Message-ID: Hello John! Just post today or yesterday.I can't recall 100% exactly. one of our members that want to sell his Dragon deck...which will be for you...as I also own the same deck, he lives in US, so from there to UK...maybe you will need also an "Step down transformer"...as maybe his unit is ONLY wired for US mains, 110 > 125 AC. My advice be in contact with him his name is Jeff...sorry I already deleted all my trash mails. He is asking a fair price! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: John Chapman >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:51:49 +0000 > >I'm about to buy either a DR1, a BX300E or wait for a CR7. > >Should I wait? Which is best? > >I recently bought a Walkman Professional and was stunned by the quality. I >can record vinyl onto Cassette and it sounds better than my �1500 Docet >Lector CD player, dolby off. I have stacks of TDK SA and SAx to re-record >precious vinyl to play on the walkman but figure a Nak will do a better >job, especially with three heads. Also, cassette in my Alpine car player so >much better than CD! Digital? - Doh! > >Great site by the way >-- >Regards > >John Chapman >Phoenix Design, Still Waters, >Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW >01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Tue Nov 29 11:45:46 2005 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <438C3F6A.25052.DE4A5B@localhost> Hi John! Which model nr. has your Walkman Professional ? I Can´t find it in sonys site. Regards Roy Svensson From fugue4all at shaw.ca Tue Nov 29 14:18:40 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:18:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 cam motor prob Message-ID: <001b01c5f4e7$6a0b10e0$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, folks--I'm installing a new cam motor in my CR-7, and I'm having difficulty orienting the cam in the proper "start" position, as when it cycles on startup all the &^$%# button lights come on. The service manual doesn't show a pic of the right position--can anyone help? Regards, Paul Dingle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Nov 29 15:10:10 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:10:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051129090849.01aea9f8@psulias.psu.edu> Actually my name is Derrick, but that's okay. :) I do have a perfectly functioning Dragon for sale. It is a US model, I don't think it has a built in current switch. At 05:28 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >Hello John! > >Just post today or yesterday.I can't recall 100% exactly. one of our >members that want to sell his Dragon deck...which will be for you...as I >also own the same deck, he lives in US, so from there to UK...maybe you >will need also an "Step down transformer"...as maybe his unit is ONLY >wired for US mains, 110 > 125 AC. My advice be in contact with him his >name is Jeff...sorry I already deleted all my trash mails. He is asking a >fair price! > >Good Luck! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: John Chapman >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? >>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:51:49 +0000 >> >>I'm about to buy either a DR1, a BX300E or wait for a CR7. >> >>Should I wait? Which is best? >> >>I recently bought a Walkman Professional and was stunned by the quality. >>I can record vinyl onto Cassette and it sounds better than my £1500 Docet >>Lector CD player, dolby off. I have stacks of TDK SA and SAx >>to re-record precious vinyl to play on the walkman but figure a Nak will >>do a better job, especially with three heads. Also, cassette in my Alpine >>car player so much better than CD! Digital? - Doh! >> >>Great site by the way >>-- >>Regards >> >>John Chapman >>Phoenix Design, Still Waters, >>Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW >>01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Nov 29 16:10:44 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:10:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? Message-ID: Sorry Derrick! I never intended to offend you in any way! So I was 100% right, your Dragon is an US imported model...is OK! John Chapman, will need some step down transformer...it's NOT critical at all! Good luck to both of you...if...a deal will be close! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Which Nak? >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:10:10 -0500 > >Actually my name is Derrick, but that's okay. :) >I do have a perfectly functioning Dragon for sale. It is a US model, I >don't think it has a built in current switch. > >At 05:28 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >>Hello John! >> >>Just post today or yesterday.I can't recall 100% exactly. one of our >>members that want to sell his Dragon deck...which will be for you...as I >>also own the same deck, he lives in US, so from there to UK...maybe you >>will need also an "Step down transformer"...as maybe his unit is ONLY >>wired for US mains, 110 > 125 AC. My advice be in contact with him his >>name is Jeff...sorry I already deleted all my trash mails. He is asking a >>fair price! >> >>Good Luck! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: John Chapman >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Which Nak? >>>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:51:49 +0000 >>> >>>I'm about to buy either a DR1, a BX300E or wait for a CR7. >>> >>>Should I wait? Which is best? >>> >>>I recently bought a Walkman Professional and was stunned by the quality. >>>I can record vinyl onto Cassette and it sounds better than my �1500 Docet >>>Lector CD player, dolby off. I have stacks of TDK SA and SAx to >>>re-record precious vinyl to play on the walkman but figure a Nak will do >>>a better job, especially with three heads. Also, cassette in my Alpine >>>car player so much better than CD! Digital? - Doh! >>> >>>Great site by the way >>>-- >>>Regards >>> >>>John Chapman >>>Phoenix Design, Still Waters, >>>Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW >>>01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 29 16:41:39 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:41:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 cam motor prob In-Reply-To: <001b01c5f4e7$6a0b10e0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <001b01c5f4e7$6a0b10e0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <438C76B3.7090603@rcn.com> Paul, IIRC, the motor should align the cam correctly as the deck comes up. Are you sure you soldered the two motor wires correctly? -- Ron Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, folks--I'm installing a new cam motor in my CR-7, and I'm having > difficulty orienting the cam in the proper "start" position, as when it > cycles on startup all the &^$%# button lights come on. The service > manual doesn't show a pic of the right position--can anyone help? > > Regards, > > Paul Dingle > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-12.txt ************************************************************************ From kob at paradise.net.nz Sun Dec 4 03:23:42 2005 From: kob at paradise.net.nz (Kevin & Felicity =?ISO-8859-1?Q?O=B4Brien?=) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:23:42 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MX-100 schematic Message-ID: <1133663022.4160.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can anyone make one of these available to me please. Thanks. Kevin kob at paradise.net.nz From ninenines7 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 13:57:42 2005 From: ninenines7 at yahoo.com (carl mongoo) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:57:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback In-Reply-To: <002001c5f36c$fccfedf0$0200a8c0@DELL8300> Message-ID: <20051204125742.97316.qmail@web33213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> jeff, i hope you don't mean cd-r's.....they aren't very stable over time + get damaged by light and heat + sun easily . commercial cd + dvd's are stamped from a die and last 20 yrs+, i've had cd-burner recordings disappear after 3-4 years. Jeff McCoy wrote: Gra': Contradiction? I suppose so. The sampling rate I use will not capture the complete analog waveform of the source tape. But ... those funny silver discs don't shed over time. At least I hope not. ;-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 - No Playback Jeff wrote: " I recently purchased a used Model 480 from a seller on the Audiogon site, for use in transferring some deteriorating tapes to digital WAV/MP3 format for preservation." Preserving cassette recordings down to MP3 .... isn't that a contradiction in terms? <> Gra' --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Is it by rotating speed of the take-up spindle or by torque ? Thanks, Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 4 22:44:51 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:44:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Real time calculation In-Reply-To: <000001c5f8ed$7aedf580$bb7ba8c0@HENK> References: <000001c5f8ed$7aedf580$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <43936353.5030903@rcn.com> Henk van Beek wrote: > Hi there, > > I was wondering how the real time calculation is made on, for instance, > a CR-7. > > Is it by rotating speed of the take-up spindle or by torque ? It's rotation speed, torque has nothing to do with it. -- Ron > > > > Thanks, Henk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tytlane at netscape.net Mon Dec 5 01:23:03 2005 From: tytlane at netscape.net (Nech) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:23:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX100 speed correction? In-Reply-To: <43936353.5030903@rcn.com> References: <000001c5f8ed$7aedf580$bb7ba8c0@HENK> <43936353.5030903@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43938867.9040007@netscape.net> Just had my ol BX100's idler replaced and now it runs fast. Where can I adjust the speed. There seem to be 2 holes on the capstan drive but both appear to be covered in plastic . (?) any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Nech From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 08:37:27 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:37:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 owner's manual Message-ID: <518b7b10512042337m67d25838kfe004c85b086b620@mail.gmail.com> HI guys, Could someone please email me a copy of the manual for the NR-200 or point me in the right direction ? Tomas, do you happen to have it on your website ? I would have checked myself, but I lost the email with the link and login details. Thanks, George From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 5 15:42:54 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:42:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX100 speed correction? In-Reply-To: <43938867.9040007@netscape.net> References: <000001c5f8ed$7aedf580$bb7ba8c0@HENK> <43936353.5030903@rcn.com> <43938867.9040007@netscape.net> Message-ID: <439451EE.9070505@rcn.com> I memory serves, there is a hole in the back of the capstan motor. Remove the cover and you'll see an adjustment slot. To adjust, play a standard 3KHz tape and adjust for 3KHz at the output. (You'll need a standard tape and a frequency counter.) I am not sure how replacing the idler tire could change the speed. -- Ron Nech wrote: > Just had my ol BX100's idler replaced and now it runs fast. Where can I > adjust the speed. There seem to be 2 holes on the capstan drive but both > appear to be covered in plastic . (?) any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Nech > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 17:11:59 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:11:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX100 speed correction? In-Reply-To: <439451EE.9070505@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051205161159.92155.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nech Check the voltage across Reel motor terminals when your BX 1 is in play mode - it should be 3.5 V ( approx) with a tape or 2.5V without a tape. Sometimes if the torque adjustment pot - check the service manual - if it is set too high causes excessive torque on the spool drive when you replace it with new tire. This in turn causes speed increase in play. Adjusting capstan motor does not solve the problem, but you adjust this idler torque pot to bring this excessive torque down to correct level. this should solve your problem Kannan Ron wrote: I memory serves, there is a hole in the back of the capstan motor. Remove the cover and you'll see an adjustment slot. To adjust, play a standard 3KHz tape and adjust for 3KHz at the output. (You'll need a standard tape and a frequency counter.) I am not sure how replacing the idler tire could change the speed. -- Ron Nech wrote: > Just had my ol BX100's idler replaced and now it runs fast. Where can I > adjust the speed. There seem to be 2 holes on the capstan drive but both > appear to be covered in plastic . (?) any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Nech > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tytlane at netscape.net Mon Dec 5 17:20:14 2005 From: tytlane at netscape.net (Nech) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:20:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX100 speed correction? In-Reply-To: <20051205161159.92155.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051205161159.92155.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439468BE.1070701@netscape.net> Thanks!, Anyone know where I can pick up the service manual ? O rhave one and can send me a scan of the schematic/pot in question. ebay ? Nech kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Nech > Check the voltage across Reel motor terminals when your BX 1 is in > play mode - it should be 3.5 V ( approx) with a tape or 2.5V without a > tape. Sometimes if the torque adjustment pot - check the service > manual - if it is set too high causes excessive torque on the > spool drive when you replace it with new tire. This in turn causes > speed increase in play. Adjusting capstan motor does not solve the > problem, but you adjust this idler torque pot to bring this excessive > torque down to correct level. > this should solve your problem > Kannan From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 20:22:08 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:22:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 owner's manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10512051122t7af51e6em7d5c1a16fde26d4@mail.gmail.com> Many thanks to Nick and Kent who responded promptly to my request, so tomorrow I will have a happy techie playing with/calibrating the NR-200 and the 1000ZXL. Before you ask, neither of these is mine, just doing a favour for friend who had a nasty hernia op this morning. Thanks again, George On 12/5/05, Kent Merideth wrote: > George wrote: > > HI guys, > > Could someone please email me a copy of the manual for the NR-200 or > point me in the right direction ? > > Tomas, do you happen to have it on your website ? I would have checked > myself, but I lost the email with the link and login details. > > Thanks, > George From ktl at bornet.net Mon Dec 5 20:49:03 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:49:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 owner's manual In-Reply-To: <518b7b10512051122t7af51e6em7d5c1a16fde26d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry for my late response. I don't have it, but I want to. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:22 PM > To: Naktalk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NR-200 owner's manual > > > Many thanks to Nick and Kent who responded promptly to my > request, so tomorrow I will have a happy techie playing > with/calibrating the NR-200 and the 1000ZXL. Before you ask, > neither of these is mine, just doing a favour for friend who > had a nasty hernia op this morning. > > Thanks again, > > George > > On 12/5/05, Kent Merideth wrote: > > George wrote: > > > > HI guys, > > > > Could someone please email me a copy of the manual for the > NR-200 or > > point me in the right direction ? > > > > Tomas, do you happen to have it on your website ? I would > have checked > > myself, but I lost the email with the link and login details. > > > > Thanks, > > George > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From extendtech at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 21:28:45 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:28:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 owner's manual In-Reply-To: <518b7b10512051122t7af51e6em7d5c1a16fde26d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The hernia wasn't from lifting the 1000zxl was it??? I have a 1000zxl that needs orange caps replaced and to be calibrated etc. Is this the sort of thing your techie does? If so where abouts are you located. I am in Vancouver Canada, and appart from ESL and Stephen Sank, have had little luck finding someone to work on this thing. Ken > >Many thanks to Nick and Kent who responded promptly to my request, so >tomorrow I will have a happy techie playing with/calibrating the >NR-200 and the 1000ZXL. Before you ask, neither of these is mine, just >doing a favour for friend who had a nasty hernia op this morning. From esteyes at cox.net Tue Dec 6 16:27:26 2005 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:27:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX1000 limited ed/gold Message-ID: <4395ADDE.1030205@cox.net> rumored to be headed to ebay soon. i might be able to forward offers prior to ebay posting. will ask the owner if he wishes to post any info to the list or if i can post for him. pics might be worth putting in the archive?? any idea how many were really made?? http://www.twfer.com/ebay/nak1000zxl.html neil in san diego feel free to contact me off list. i will post if the owner gets back to me. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Dec 6 22:54:16 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:54:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX1000 limited ed/gold In-Reply-To: <4395ADDE.1030205@cox.net> References: <4395ADDE.1030205@cox.net> Message-ID: <43960888.6090705@xs4all.nl> This one looks odd. A friend (and LTD owner) pointed me to the face that looks like it lost the gold finish. Look at it, it looks silverish, also some buttons look worn for the gold. At least, if you bid, get a reduction for the lost gold ;-) Wouter Neil Sturtevant wrote: > rumored to be headed to ebay soon. i might be able to forward offers > prior to ebay posting. will ask the owner if he wishes to post any > info to the list or if i can post for him. pics might be worth putting > in the archive?? any idea how many were really made?? > > http://www.twfer.com/ebay/nak1000zxl.html > > neil in san diego > feel free to contact me off list. i will post if the owner gets back > to me. > From andrew.spencer at manepa.com Wed Dec 7 14:38:27 2005 From: andrew.spencer at manepa.com (Andrew Spencer) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:38:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Changing a Belt on a Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: I have just bought a Cassette Deck 1 which I am told would benefit from a belt change, how easy is this to do and where is the best place to source replacement belts for Nakamichi Decks? Thanks in advance Andy Dublin Ireland -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1576 bytes Desc: not available URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 7 17:35:37 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:35:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Changing a Belt on a Cassette Deck 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Andrew, I am not sure, but the best advice I can give you is to call or email www.eslabs.com. The head technician at ESlabs , Jeff, was the head of the service department for Nakamichi when they were still producing decks into the early 90s. They stock all sorts of replacement parts for Nakamichi decks, and their repair and upgrade service is said to be top-notch , but to no surprise, it also carries a premium price. I hope that helps a bit. Felix >From: "Andrew Spencer" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Changing a Belt on a Cassette Deck 1 >Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:38:27 -0000 > >I have just bought a Cassette Deck 1 which I am told would benefit from a >belt change, how easy is this to do and where is the best place to source >replacement belts for Nakamichi Decks? > >Thanks in advance > >Andy >Dublin >Ireland ><< winmail.dat >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 22:10:54 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:10:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Changing a Belt on a Cassette Deck 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051207211054.3075.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andrew is in UK - i suspect. he can contact UK' s B&W Nak repair center for his requirements of spare Kannan felic dans wrote: Hello Andrew, I am not sure, but the best advice I can give you is to call or email www.eslabs.com. The head technician at ESlabs , Jeff, was the head of the service department for Nakamichi when they were still producing decks into the early 90s. They stock all sorts of replacement parts for Nakamichi decks, and their repair and upgrade service is said to be top-notch , but to no surprise, it also carries a premium price. I hope that helps a bit. Felix >From: "Andrew Spencer" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Changing a Belt on a Cassette Deck 1 >Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:38:27 -0000 > >I have just bought a Cassette Deck 1 which I am told would benefit from a >belt change, how easy is this to do and where is the best place to source >replacement belts for Nakamichi Decks? > >Thanks in advance > >Andy >Dublin >Ireland ><< winmail.dat >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I am definately reluctant of sending my machine in for professional service as I am on a budget and do not believe to fork out 100 dollars or more just to have the damnn heads calibrated, despite its utmost importance to the sound of the deck. Thanks everyone, Felix From nmurray at pcug.org.au Thu Dec 8 12:50:39 2005 From: nmurray at pcug.org.au (Nick Murray) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:50:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43981E0F.60508@pcug.org.au> Hi all, I have a 580 that has been quite happy for a year or so now, but last night after switching it on and playing a tape, I noticed....nothing! The meters were not flicking at all, though the tape was being transported correctly. The tape does play correctly on another deck ie it's not blank! After cranking the output level up to 11 I could get a VERY faint signal from the headphone socket. The signal is not enough to register on the meters however. Though I have the service manual, I'm not sure where I should start with this problem. Is there a reputable service agent in Australia? Preferably....in Canberra? Thanks for any information. I hate having my Nak nakkered :( Nick From nakamichi at ispwest.com Thu Dec 8 14:34:15 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:34:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level Message-ID: <200901e072824cd28692fa21f1a367ea.nakamichi@ispwest.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Murray [mailto:nmurray at pcug.org.au] Sent: 12/8/2005 3:50:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level > Hi all, > > I have a 580 that has been quite happy for a year or so now, but last > night after switching it on and playing a tape, I noticed....nothing! > The meters were not flicking at all, though the tape was being > transported correctly. The tape does play correctly on another deck ie > it's not blank! > > After cranking the output level up to 11 I could get a VERY faint signal > from the headphone socket. The signal is not enough to register on the > meters however. > > Though I have the service manual, I'm not sure where I should start with > this problem. > > Is there a reputable service agent in Australia? Preferably....in Canberra? > > Thanks for any information. I hate having my Nak nakkered :( > > Nick > Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 8 18:49:15 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:49:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: <200901e072824cd28692fa21f1a367ea.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: Hello Nick, It could be very likely that a component has failed within the unit. I mean, resistors, capacitors, etc. have limited lifespan no matter how well-designed and implemented into a circuit. That is just the truth about passive units. Sure, there are some that are made to last. But, with anything older than 20 years old, it is not surprising to have some losing their capacitance or resistance. I do not know of any service area that's convenient in Australia. But, there is a top-notch servie here in the U.S., run by Jeff, the head service technician for Nakamichi decks when they were still producing units in the '90s. He has acquired much of their original stock and equipment necessary to perform factory-like modifications and repair service for all Nakamichis ever made. I advise you to consult with them at www.eslabs.com to see your options. But, be advised that this top-of-the line professional boutique electronics service carries a premium price to match just that level of quality. I hope that helps a bit. Felix >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:34:15 -0800 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nick Murray [mailto:nmurray at pcug.org.au] >Sent: 12/8/2005 3:50:39 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a 580 that has been quite happy for a year or so now, but last > > night after switching it on and playing a tape, I noticed....nothing! > > The meters were not flicking at all, though the tape was being > > transported correctly. The tape does play correctly on another deck ie > > it's not blank! > > > > After cranking the output level up to 11 I could get a VERY faint signal > > from the headphone socket. The signal is not enough to register on the > > meters however. > > > > Though I have the service manual, I'm not sure where I should start with > > this problem. > > > > Is there a reputable service agent in Australia? Preferably....in >Canberra? > > > > Thanks for any information. I hate having my Nak nakkered :( > > > > Nick > > Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your >"Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the playback >signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA bulb.Quite an easy >fix.Regards,Maksim > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Dec 8 22:39:27 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:39:27 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC18@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> I agree with Nick, the same thing happened to my 582, I replaced the bulb and all is well. Relatively simple job to replace if you are handy with a soldering iron. Cheers, Tom. > Nick > Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your > "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the > playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA > bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Dec 8 23:45:20 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:45:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC18@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: I think the same thing happens if the Play bulb goes out. David From: Thomas Siomopoulos Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:39:27 +1100 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level I agree with Nick, the same thing happened to my 582, I replaced the bulb and all is well. Relatively simple job to replace if you are handy with a soldering iron. Cheers, Tom. > Nick > Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your > "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the > playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA > bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Dec 8 23:53:41 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:53:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4398B975.6070703@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, I'm suspicious the test tape may be inferior. As for newly-made test cassettes, only the EMTEC, TDK, and Maxell are good enough to align heads. Especially the Emtec. felic dans wrote: > I've got a calibration tape from vintage-electronics.com and i've had no > success in tweaking the azimuth head. The damn thing won't have a > balanced vu meter peak !!! i can't seem to balance the stereo image > perfectly. Does anyone have any advice? the test tape has multiple test > tones from 20hz to 20kh, then a 20-20khz sweep, 1khz steady, and then > pink noise. Anyone with lx-5s out there with the same problem and had > success tweaking the heads? I am definately reluctant of sending my > machine in for professional service as I am on a budget and do not > believe to fork out 100 dollars or more just to have the damnn heads > calibrated, despite its utmost importance to the sound of the deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jehanr1965 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 03:09:45 2005 From: jehanr1965 at hotmail.com (jehan R) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:09:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A cassette deck blows fuses Message-ID: Hi, I have a CR-7A that I got from Ebay that does not play tapes (the motor does not spin either) but the unit has power and the display does light up. I discovered that two of the fuses for the tape transport were blown. The main fuse is ok. When I replaced the two bad ones, they also blew. I am thinking that this might be due to a bad transformer. Any ideas would be appreciated. I am not that knowledgeable about electronics. What should I look for? (I checked the circuit board and I do not see any burnt capicitors or other components) Thanks, Jehan _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From nmurray at pcug.org.au Fri Dec 9 06:55:36 2005 From: nmurray at pcug.org.au (Nick Murray) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:55:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43991C58.3060704@pcug.org.au> Oh, first of all apologies for not starting a new thread. Must have hit "reply to" or something. I can't believe it could be this simple. But I'll try it! Many thanks gentlemen, I shall keep you posted. :) cheerio Nick David Thompson wrote: > I think the same thing happens if the Play bulb goes out. > > David > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *Thomas Siomopoulos > *Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Date: *Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:39:27 +1100 > *To: *'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject: *RE: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level > > I agree with Nick, the same thing happened to my 582, I replaced the > bulb and all is well. Relatively simple job to replace if you are > handy with a soldering iron. > > Cheers, > > Tom. > > > > Nick > > Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your > > "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the > > playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA > > bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 08:32:49 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:32:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <4398B975.6070703@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: hello Kermit, Thanks for the response. What is the procedure that you use to align your nak heads with test tapes. the test tape i got has the following in this order respectfully, multiple test tones (20hz,100hz,400hz, 800hz, 1000hz, 2.5khz, 4 khz, 6 khz, 8 khz, 10 khz, 15 khz, 20 khz, and 20hz- 20khz sweep, 1 khz (8 minutes) , pink noise (5 minutes), and finally 1 khz (4 minutes) all recorded at -10db (what does that mean for me when tweaking heads)? What is the purpose of the multiple test tones, 1 khz steady , pink noise? How do I calibrate the heads using those tones? i've been using the vu meter readouts on the nak deck to monitor peaks. The stereo balance is always SLIGHTLY off, and I really do mean SLIGHTLY. can never get perfect. Thanks, Kermit. Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration >Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:53:41 -0600 > >Hi Felix, > >I'm suspicious the test tape may be inferior. As for newly-made test >cassettes, only the EMTEC, TDK, and Maxell are good enough to align heads. >Especially the Emtec. > >felic dans wrote: >>I've got a calibration tape from vintage-electronics.com and i've had no >>success in tweaking the azimuth head. The damn thing won't have a balanced >>vu meter peak !!! i can't seem to balance the stereo image perfectly. Does >>anyone have any advice? the test tape has multiple test tones from 20hz to >>20kh, then a 20-20khz sweep, 1khz steady, and then pink noise. Anyone with >>lx-5s out there with the same problem and had success tweaking the heads? >>I am definately reluctant of sending my machine in for professional >>service as I am on a budget and do not believe to fork out 100 dollars or >>more just to have the damnn heads calibrated, despite its utmost >>importance to the sound of the deck. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sendigitall at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 12:35:08 2005 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 03:35:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bais calibration? level cal? In-Reply-To: <200512091100.jB9B0JDT004252@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20051209113508.33264.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> hi i was about to get my second nak which is a CR-4.....i found that it has bais calibration and level calibration ?.....what does these two do ..and how are the deferent from ..bais fine tune and master level adjuster ??.... regards senthil --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From butternu at sover.net Fri Dec 9 13:17:56 2005 From: butternu at sover.net (Tom Dodge) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:17:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 analyzer question Message-ID: <007201c5fcba$973114e0$a0a772d8@tomna1na1779kz> Hi. It's been some time since I used my T-100 and I couldn't remember if this was normal operation. (manual doesn't say). When it is in the Level/THD distortion (either L or R) the meter level display(lower) max's out when there is no input to the T-100. When I am actually doing the measurement it seems fine.. thanks, tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nmurray at pcug.org.au Fri Dec 9 14:16:55 2005 From: nmurray at pcug.org.au (Nick Murray) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:16:55 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: <200901e072824cd28692fa21f1a367ea.nakamichi@ispwest.com> References: <200901e072824cd28692fa21f1a367ea.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <439983C7.70006@pcug.org.au> Hi Maksim, It indeed appears that this is the problem! Thank you! But I cannot find any suppliers of 12V 10-20mA bulbs anywhere in Australia. Do you know of any other sellers in the US, UK (or anywhere else for that matter). The two large suppliers here are Radio Spares and Farnell. Both these have "bi pin" or "wire ended" 12V bulbs, but they are rated at anything between 30 and 60 mA. If I can't find anything I'll just throw in a 480 Ohm resistor. thanks once more, Nick nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: >> Nick >> Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim >> > > From sharpei at verizon.net Fri Dec 9 15:59:20 2005 From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:59:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration Message-ID: <43999BC8.8060102@verizon.net> Hello Felix, You'll probably not like the answers you're getting. But, here are your options, in order from best to worse: 1) Send it off and have it aligned by someone that knows Naks. I know it costs money (I believe most charge around $125), but, everything on the deck will be calibrated - meter levels, head height, azimuth, playback level, record level, record bias. I've been doing this - with my own equipment for 5 years now, and it makes a big difference in the sound quality of the deck. I would suggest ESLabs, or Stephen Sank. There may be someone on here that may do it for you for a lesser fee. Or contact me off topic. 2) Get a good, genuine azimuth tape. For Naks, a good, genuine, azimuth tape with 10kHz or better will allow you to do an excellent job of adjusting the Playback azimuth. Nakamichi used a 15kHz azimuth tape for this, but, they are very hard to find and may be pricey. I use and recommend the Teac MTT-114N (-10dB, 10kHz) or the MTT-114NBL -my preference - (-10dB, 14kHz). These are azimuth tapes. I bought mine from Teac and they were around $48. You'll also need an oscilloscope as the deck's LED meters are not accurate enough for this kind of work. You should be able to pick up an o-scope on eBay for around $50. 3) Using a recorded tape of good quality - preferably from your collection - slowly adjust the playback head azimuth until the music "brightness" - highs - peak. This is not exactly the most technical way of adjusting azimuth, but, it'll get you close. Just be sure you adjust the playback azimuth screw (right of center - should have an arrow and labled "PH Azimuth". Do not touch either of the center white screws - the ones on top of the two white gears - those are the RH and PH height adjustments. I've done several LX's (LX-5 and LX-3). The LX-5 is what I usually recommend to people wanting to get into Naks. They are relatively inexpensive, rugged, with great metering lineararity, and give the great, clear Nak sound. Mark sharpei at verizon.net From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:29:41 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:29:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" Message-ID: Hello, I've just gotten a nak lx-5 that has both take-up reels with springs that do not spring whatsoever. this is the part on the take-up reel that is spring-loaded and supposed to contract and retract as the tape is loaded into the well when the door is closed, acting as a suspension mechanism. I guess the previous owner had fondled with it and it is now stuck into position so there seems to be no kind of suspension of contraction or retraction when the tape is loaded into the reel take-ups. it is solid stiff on both reels , but the reels move fine when playing, rewinding or fastforwarding etc. . but , i am just concerned that the springs on the spokes do not move anymore. is this going to damage tapes? or compromise sound quality in any way? do i need to take it to the repair shop to replace it? or leave it be? Thanks, Nak community for your support. Felix From daves at intergate.com Fri Dec 9 17:15:24 2005 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:15:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Gold In-Reply-To: <200512061100.jB6B03c8024096@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c5fcdb$c6bf2460$28f3fea9@custom> On the slider control panel, the letter "H -" can be seen, like a burned in or faded image -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 05 06:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 2 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 17:41:19 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:41:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <43999BC8.8060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the help, Mark. one more question, a led is burnt on the right meter @ -6db reading. How do i fix that? i've yet to open the chassis. are they individual bulbs or is it a digital slab that needs to have the entire slate replaced if one of the bulbs were to burnout? >From: "Mark C. Barrett" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration >Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:59:20 -0500 > >Hello Felix, > >You'll probably not like the answers you're getting. But, here are your >options, in order from best to worse: > >1) Send it off and have it aligned by someone that knows Naks. I know it >costs money (I believe most charge around $125), but, everything on the >deck will be calibrated - meter levels, head height, azimuth, playback >level, record level, record bias. I've been doing this - with my own >equipment for 5 years now, and it makes a big difference in the sound >quality of the deck. I would suggest ESLabs, or Stephen Sank. There may be >someone on here that may do it for you for a lesser fee. Or contact me off >topic. > >2) Get a good, genuine azimuth tape. For Naks, a good, genuine, azimuth >tape with 10kHz or better will allow you to do an excellent job of >adjusting the Playback azimuth. Nakamichi used a 15kHz azimuth tape for >this, but, they are very hard to find and may be pricey. I use and >recommend the Teac MTT-114N (-10dB, 10kHz) or the MTT-114NBL -my preference >- (-10dB, 14kHz). These are azimuth tapes. I bought mine from Teac and they >were around $48. You'll also need an oscilloscope as the deck's LED meters >are not accurate enough for this kind of work. You should be able to pick >up an o-scope on eBay for around $50. > >3) Using a recorded tape of good quality - preferably from your collection >- slowly adjust the playback head azimuth until the music "brightness" - >highs - peak. This is not exactly the most technical way of adjusting >azimuth, but, it'll get you close. Just be sure you adjust the playback >azimuth screw (right of center - should have an arrow and labled "PH >Azimuth". Do not touch either of the center white screws - the ones on top >of the two white gears - those are the RH and PH height adjustments. > >I've done several LX's (LX-5 and LX-3). The LX-5 is what I usually >recommend to people wanting to get into Naks. They are relatively >inexpensive, rugged, with great metering lineararity, and give the great, >clear Nak sound. > >Mark >sharpei at verizon.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 17:50:51 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:50:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: <439983C7.70006@pcug.org.au> Message-ID: <20051209165051.69565.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes use a resistor which will save the lamp and would do fine. Better to go for 1K or more resistor Kannan Nick Murray wrote: Hi Maksim, It indeed appears that this is the problem! Thank you! But I cannot find any suppliers of 12V 10-20mA bulbs anywhere in Australia. Do you know of any other sellers in the US, UK (or anywhere else for that matter). The two large suppliers here are Radio Spares and Farnell. Both these have "bi pin" or "wire ended" 12V bulbs, but they are rated at anything between 30 and 60 mA. If I can't find anything I'll just throw in a 480 Ohm resistor. thanks once more, Nick nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: >> Nick >> Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 18:36:16 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 - mint , calibrated - available ! Message-ID: <20051209173616.44291.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a mint Cassette Deck 1 - 1990 year end production. I completely checked out - calibrated Haeds, Play and Record using Nak calibration tapes and gauges. I can for give a warranty to service it inacse somebody is keen on it. It is really in great condition as I had not seen one this good on heads so far. Looks like the owner just used it lightly. It will be listed soon on ebay - but thought I would offer it for somebody keen on defect free azimuth adjusting Nak deck - with confidence that they need not look for difficlt to find service tech ! Contact me off Naktalk if you are interested- I can ship it Europe/ UK /Australia/ HongKong or any other country safe to ship I am also planning an alternate of using this head azimuth adjustment part on a CR4A if somebody is keen on something like it as I have CR 4A for sale as well! Only downside is cost though! Kannan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Fri Dec 9 18:46:29 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:46:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 analyzer question In-Reply-To: <007201c5fcba$973114e0$a0a772d8@tomna1na1779kz> References: <007201c5fcba$973114e0$a0a772d8@tomna1na1779kz> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051209124329.02f147b0@pop.videotron.ca> Tom, Same thing here. This is normal behavior. Regards, -Marc At 07:17 12/09/2005, you wrote: >Hi. It's been some time since I used my T-100 and I couldn't >remember if this was normal operation. (manual doesn't say). When it >is in the Level/THD distortion (either L or R) the meter level >display(lower) max's out when there is no input to the T-100. When I >am actually doing the measurement it seems fine.. > >thanks, tom From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 9 18:47:37 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Message-ID: <4399C339.8000005@yahoo.ca> So, it's me again with my BX-2. Is it worth paying 30$ for a repair estimate? I don't have much problems apart that it's not strong enough to keep it's speed on some tapes that my Superscope CD-330 handles w/o problems. I think that the capstan motor needs a rebuild... -- Antoine Deschênes From ramvem at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 19:24:10 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:24:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 - mint , calibrated - available ! In-Reply-To: <20051209173616.44291.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, I am interested. I think this is also one of the best looking decks from Nakamichi (after the lx series, in my opinion at least :). I guess the question is, are you going to list it on ebay anyway? How much are you expecting for it? Thanks! Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 - mint ,calibrated - available ! Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) I have a mint Cassette Deck 1 - 1990 year end production. I completely checked out - calibrated Haeds, Play and Record using Nak calibration tapes and gauges. I can for give a warranty to service it inacse somebody is keen on it. It is really in great condition as I had not seen one this good on heads so far. Looks like the owner just used it lightly. It will be listed soon on ebay - but thought I would offer it for somebody keen on defect free azimuth adjusting Nak deck - with confidence that they need not look for difficlt to find service tech ! Contact me off Naktalk if you are interested- I can ship it Europe/ UK /Australia/ HongKong or any other country safe to ship I am also planning an alternate of using this head azimuth adjustment part on a CR4A if somebody is keen on something like it as I have CR 4A for sale as well! Only downside is cost though! Kannan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 19:59:42 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:59:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 - mint , calibrated - available ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051209185942.38513.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Ram I am expecting 275$ without any wrranty - I can give warranty for 6 Months incase of buyer paying 40$ additionally - 1 year add 75$ . The warranty for complete free calibration within 1 year and free repair - parts extra. Original User Manual is available. Double boxing and packing shipping at actuals. hope this helps kannan Ram Vemuri wrote: Hi Kannan, I am interested. I think this is also one of the best looking decks from Nakamichi (after the lx series, in my opinion at least :). I guess the question is, are you going to list it on ebay anyway? How much are you expecting for it? Thanks! Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 - mint ,calibrated - available ! Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) I have a mint Cassette Deck 1 - 1990 year end production. I completely checked out - calibrated Haeds, Play and Record using Nak calibration tapes and gauges. I can for give a warranty to service it inacse somebody is keen on it. It is really in great condition as I had not seen one this good on heads so far. Looks like the owner just used it lightly. It will be listed soon on ebay - but thought I would offer it for somebody keen on defect free azimuth adjusting Nak deck - with confidence that they need not look for difficlt to find service tech ! Contact me off Naktalk if you are interested- I can ship it Europe/ UK /Australia/ HongKong or any other country safe to ship I am also planning an alternate of using this head azimuth adjustment part on a CR4A if somebody is keen on something like it as I have CR 4A for sale as well! Only downside is cost though! Kannan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 9 20:39:02 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:39:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: <20051209165051.69565.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051209165051.69565.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4399DD56.1070909@rcn.com> Or, you may wish to use a high brightness LED with an appropriate resistor, to provide both the right current and the right illumination. -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Yes > use a resistor which will save the lamp and would do fine. Better to go > for 1K or more resistor > > Kannan > */Nick Murray /* wrote: > > Hi Maksim, > > It indeed appears that this is the problem! Thank you! > > But I cannot find any suppliers of 12V 10-20mA bulbs anywhere in > Australia. > > Do you know of any other sellers in the US, UK (or anywhere else for > that matter). The two large suppliers here are Radio Spares and > Farnell. > Both these have "bi pin" or "wire ended" 12V bulbs, but they are rated > at anything between 30 and 60 mA. > > If I can't find anything I'll just throw in a 480 Ohm resistor. > > thanks once more, > > Nick > > nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > >> Nick > >> Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears > your "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of > the playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA > bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Dec 9 20:10:21 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:10:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level Message-ID: Hi Nick,I think 30 mA lamp is ok.Even 14 v/35mA is also ok.You can also add a 1k resistor in parallel with the bulb & circuit will work when the bulb burns out.Regards,Maksim. Sent: 12/9/2005 5:16:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level > Hi Maksim, > > It indeed appears that this is the problem! Thank you! > > But I cannot find any suppliers of 12V 10-20mA bulbs anywhere in Australia. > > Do you know of any other sellers in the US, UK (or anywhere else for > that matter). The two large suppliers here are Radio Spares and Farnell. > Both these have "bi pin" or "wire ended" 12V bulbs, but they are rated > at anything between 30 and 60 mA. > > If I can't find anything I'll just throw in a 480 Ohm resistor. > > thanks once more, > > Nick > > nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: > >> Nick > >> Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears your "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of the playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 9 21:50:59 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:50:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4399EE33.3070603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, felic dans wrote: > > hello Kermit, > > Thanks for the response. What is the procedure that you use to align > your nak heads with test tapes. the test tape i got has the following in > this order respectfully, multiple test tones (20hz,100hz,400hz, 800hz, > 1000hz, 2.5khz, 4 khz, 6 khz, 8 khz, 10 khz, 15 khz, 20 khz, and 20hz- > 20khz sweep, 1 khz (8 minutes) , pink noise (5 minutes), and finally 1 > khz (4 minutes) all recorded at -10db (what does that mean for me when > tweaking heads)? You need a different type of tape, called an azimuth calibration tape, to align heads. These have only a 10 kcps to 15 kcps tone for the length of the tape. Mark's recommendations are spot on: The Teac MTT-114N (-10dB, 10kHz) or the MTT-114NBL (-10dB, 14kHz) are excellent, and I agree that the MTT-114NBL is the better of the two because of the higher frequency. You adjust the azimuth to achieve a maximum reading on either an oscilloscope (best accuracy) or an audio voltmeter/power meter, like the Hewlett-Packard 400L. I use my 400L to spot-check azimuth then use the oscilloscope for higher-tolerance work. > What is the purpose of the multiple test tones, 1 khz steady , pink This type of tape is for setting the EQ and evaluating frequency response. The multiple test tones give you the response curve, the 1 kc steady tone sets channel balance and overall playback level plus lets you set the tape speed accurately, and the pink noise is used with a spectrum analyzer to evaluate overall playback response. I myself dislike pink noise measurements of tape decks and do not use them because noise and distortion spuriae can cause false measurements. > How do I calibrate the heads using those tones? i've been using > the vu meter readouts on the nak deck to monitor peaks. > The stereo balance is always SLIGHTLY off, and I really do mean > SLIGHTLY. can never get perfect. Use a quality audio voltmeter/power meter, like the Hewlett-Packard 400L, or the Simpson 280 series. Audio voltmeters read in dB and measure AC signals from 10 cps to beyond the range of human hearing. Note that the typical digital multimeter or cheapie multitester don't give accurate measurements of AC voltages. Audio signals are AC voltages. Some higher end DMMs do measure AC voltages, like the Fluke 79 series. Neutrik makes a set of test gear, the Mini-lyzer and the Mini-rator, that are excellent for calibrating cassette decks and reel-to-reel tape recorders. Here's a basic procedure: play the 1 kc tone and adjust playback level to the reference output level indicated by the service manual so that the identical readings are achieved for both channels. Do one channel at a time. This establishes both the playback level and channel balance. Next, play the 1 kc tone and connect the outputs of the deck to a frequency counter. Adjust motor speed control so that the counter reads as close to 1,000 cps as you can manage. This sets playback speed. Next, play the series of multiple tones. Each tone should be within 2 dB of each other, or better (or whatever the tolerance is specified by the manual), as indicated by the audio voltmeter. Adjust the playback EQ trimmer control, as required to achieve the necessary tolerance. This establishes the playback response. Next, as a fast-and-accurate shortcut for setting bias, apply 50 cps, 400 cps, 1 kc, and 14 kc to the inputs (using a low distortion audio oscillator) so that the audio voltmeter (calibrated to the outputs of the recorder) reads -20 dB for each tone. Record the tones onto a fresh blank of your favorite tape. Set the deck's tape selector apropriately. Slowly adjust the bias trimmer so that these four tones are reproduced equally. For a two head deck, you'll have to record, rewind then playback, and repeat the process; for a three head you can do it without stopping. This sets the bias for a specimen of your favorite tape. Finally, adjust the bias traps as per the service manual. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 9 22:06:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:06:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 In-Reply-To: <4399C339.8000005@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001a01c5fd04$7c8ae0e0$27c287d9@oemcomputer> If that is all it will cost, snatch the hand off the tech!!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: 09 December 2005 17:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 > > > So, it's me again with my BX-2. Is it worth paying 30$ for a repair > estimate? I don't have much problems apart that it's not strong enough > to keep it's speed on some tapes that my Superscope CD-330 handles w/o > problems. I think that the capstan motor needs a rebuild... > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 9 23:09:24 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:09:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 In-Reply-To: <001a01c5fd04$7c8ae0e0$27c287d9@oemcomputer> References: <001a01c5fd04$7c8ae0e0$27c287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <439A0094.80508@rcn.com> Graham, $30 is for the estimate. The repair will cost more... I wonder if cleaning/lubrication of the transport (especially , capstan bearings) won't fix the problem -- no self respecting tech will do it for a mere $30. If, indeed, the capstan motor needs replacing, that will be substantially more. Seeing that good BX2s (or BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-200, etc.) are plentiful and cheap, I probably wouldn't pay the $30 estimate fee -- assuming I was too lazy to do the job myself. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > If that is all it will cost, snatch the hand off the tech!!! > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>Sent: 09 December 2005 17:48 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 >> >> >>So, it's me again with my BX-2. Is it worth paying 30$ for a repair >>estimate? I don't have much problems apart that it's not strong enough >>to keep it's speed on some tapes that my Superscope CD-330 handles w/o >>problems. I think that the capstan motor needs a rebuild... >> >>-- >>Antoine Deschênes From rob at rhoag.com Fri Dec 9 22:36:43 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:36:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I knew I remembered this question somewhere.. Tim Bartlett posted the following back in October: "On the take-up spindle is a lobed collar which is spring-loaded. The lobes fit into the teeth in the hub of the cassette reel. Generally, when you insert a cassette, the hub teeth slide over the lobes as the cassette is pushed into place. But sometimes the teeth of the hub manage to fall square on the end of the lobes as the cassette is pushed in, this is the reason for the spring-loading - the collar is pushed back a bit against the spring and into the machine. As soon as the unit is put into play or fast forward, however, the spindle turns and the collar rotates around until the lobes can be pushed back into position into the teeth. This is a very confusing description, but 30 seconds of close examination will show you what I mean. The problem is with the spindle itself. Some of them develop a small crack and they expand slightly, but it's just enough to prevent the collar from sliding freely on it. So when the hub teeth manage to push the collar in, the collar gets stuck and can't pop back out to engage the teeth of the cassette hub properly. What you hear is the lobes banging against the teeth on the cassette hub as the take-up spindle rotates unhindered behind the cassette. I think the LX-3 has a mechanical counter which is belt-driven from the take-up spindle. Do you notice the counter progressing much faster than normal when you hear that worrisome noise? The correct repair is to replace the take up spindle." Hope that answeres your question Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of felic dans Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:30 AM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" Hello, I've just gotten a nak lx-5 that has both take-up reels with springs that do not spring whatsoever. this is the part on the take-up reel that is spring-loaded and supposed to contract and retract as the tape is loaded into the well when the door is closed, acting as a suspension mechanism. I guess the previous owner had fondled with it and it is now stuck into position so there seems to be no kind of suspension of contraction or retraction when the tape is loaded into the reel take-ups. it is solid stiff on both reels , but the reels move fine when playing, rewinding or fastforwarding etc. . but , i am just concerned that the springs on the spokes do not move anymore. is this going to damage tapes? or compromise sound quality in any way? do i need to take it to the repair shop to replace it? or leave it be? Thanks, Nak community for your support. Felix ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 10 00:16:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:16:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 In-Reply-To: <439A0094.80508@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003a01c5fd16$896f2e80$27c287d9@oemcomputer> Ron You assume all techs are self-respecting! Quite a few are not and have no idea of their value just as others have grossly inflated ideas about their competence and over-charge accordingly! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 09 December 2005 22:09 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 > > > > Graham, $30 is for the estimate. The repair will cost > more... I wonder if cleaning/lubrication of the transport > (especially , capstan bearings) won't fix the problem -- no > self respecting tech will do it for a mere $30. If, indeed, > the capstan motor needs replacing, that will be substantially > more. Seeing that good BX2s (or BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-200, > etc.) are plentiful and cheap, I probably wouldn't pay the $30 > estimate fee -- assuming I was too lazy to do the job myself. > > -- Ron > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 10 00:24:39 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:24:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 In-Reply-To: <439A0094.80508@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051209232439.97298.qmail@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In fact if there's a 50$ repair to do it will cost 20$ more. Anyways, I have to get them to do the speed adjustment, etc. Ron a écrit : Graham, $30 is for the estimate. The repair will cost more... I wonder if cleaning/lubrication of the transport (especially , capstan bearings) won't fix the problem -- no self respecting tech will do it for a mere $30. If, indeed, the capstan motor needs replacing, that will be substantially more. Seeing that good BX2s (or BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-200, etc.) are plentiful and cheap, I probably wouldn't pay the $30 estimate fee -- assuming I was too lazy to do the job myself. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > If that is all it will cost, snatch the hand off the tech!!! > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >>Sent: 09 December 2005 17:48 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 >> >> >>So, it's me again with my BX-2. Is it worth paying 30$ for a repair >>estimate? I don't have much problems apart that it's not strong enough >>to keep it's speed on some tapes that my Superscope CD-330 handles w/o >>problems. I think that the capstan motor needs a rebuild... >> >>-- >>Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Dec 10 01:23:36 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:23:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 2 Message-ID: Hello fellow Nakkers! My 481z in need of what I thought was only a relube of the play\record cam was sent off to B&W here in the UK some 2 weeks ago to be 'recycled'. It could do all that it was supposed to do except play/record UNLESS one assisted the cam turning so I felt a relube was all that was needed ..... it sounded fantastic this humble 481z, believe me it sounded fantastic making old radio and field tapes (from a full size portable semi pro SONY from the 70's mostly) sound like cd's ...... quite often better than even my Linn based vinyl too....... and the rest of my system is classic UK 'flat earth' Naim, Linn deck and Isobariks so I have a good platform to 'listen' to tapes on. However it will cost some 190 pounds Sterling to restore to its 'full glory' to quote B&W....... I guess it needs more doing than I realised. Money is not lying about in heaps here so I have to be committed to go ahead with this repair strategy. I might be able to let you know exactly what has had to be done beyond what I expected. I thought it might be helpful to you to hear what the cost for thie work is. The early estimate by B & W was between 140 and 180 pounds Sterling for this (and I believe this is a normal price for similar 'basic', early and some later ones with the 3 motor, 3 head, double capstan tape lifting mechanics). Maybe some of our experienced members will know what was likely needing doing. I'd love to know. I would like some advice about replacing the power cord .... rather than fit an IEC socket i wondered if there is a body of knowledge in the forum about hardwiring in a better spec of power cord.... has any one done it and what cable specs or configuration was used. Any comments welcome ..... I felt the power cord was badly routed and clearly a low grade of wire. IEC's are nice but cutting the case would need to be done to a high standard and I'm not sure how one would do it ..... a Dremmel hand tool I expect. Moving on my efforts to locate a service manual for the 481z came to nought although our esteemed archives do have the 481 version with the VU meters. I went to all the well known vendors....... maybe B&W have one but I need to avoid further expense ....... Christmass is just around the corner after all. I dont know how differrent the 481 was in other respects so off to B&W it went. It went to them even though it is never going to be worth 190 pounds as its resale value is less than ..... what ? ..... some 70-100 sterling on ebay . quite possibly less....... even as a fully brand newly serviced deck...... as an unserviced deck it would be worth nuppence I guess .... .... so I'm going to pay up and will be grateful to have a 'new' 200 pound cassette deck in my home that will last, inshallah, another 20 years and prevent the complete wastage of this fine product of Mr Nakamichi ... ... from what i gather it might stop some part of the planet in China being further polluted where much of these old circuit are melted down etc..... have you seen the films of that area ...... ouch! I couldnt just let it go to the scrap heap. Frankly I feel all NAK tape decks should be treated differently when it comes to extending their life cycle and usefullness ...... just about all others sound like dross in comparison. I do however like the idea of Pioneers last decks which had digital inputs......... Tapes are far more creative than cd recorders in domestic set ups and then theres the sound........ ..... I will soon hopefully find a small mixer on ebay to record my Indian Harmonium and voice and capture that on the Nak ....... I should also replace the old mikes I used on the Sony all those years ago .... that recording will be fun ..... I wish NAKS had been able to keep the 3 mike inputs of the astounding big and early models. Even with 2 inputs i would'nt need a mixer just to plug in the microphones. Was it economy that led to the removal of such inputs? Back to now. When my deck is returned in its restored form I'll register it in the NAKS website ........ even though most of you seem to have the pukka AMAZING Naks and not these simple models I am glad to have bought this ebay wreck thru for the next generation and no doubt I will again show others the capabilities of a properly made tape playing machine. I sort of wish I restoring a later model with the now normal full digital read outs, peak reading leds and digi time elapsed displays..... but I know the actual sound can hardly get better from a well set up deck till one enters the high range of CR 7 or 700/1000 units and Dragons ......... I say this as someone who mostly will be replaying rather than recording tapes. If I really could tweak the bias and azimuth on replay as well as record ..... wow In all humility if anyone wishes to leave me their CR or Dragon etc when they shuffle of their mortal coil then I would act accordingly look after it and pass it on when I pass on :-) By then I believe our societal archives will have begun to store some of the vast resources that will likely remain on tape from private collections and will need good examples of restored and preserved machines to access the many jewels on this medium peace of the season to you all peace on Earth. ian scotland www.bechbaskets.net From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 01:35:40 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:35:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <4399EE33.3070603@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hey Kermit, You've given me some of the most helpful information that i've found for the nakamichi decks. I really thank you for your time. Just out of curiosity, What decks do you personally own? and what tapes do you like using to record? I've got the lx-5, bx-100, cr1a, mr-1. I'm thinkin bout tossing those back out on ebay on the exception of the lx-5. to acquire some more hi-end models. such as a cr-7 or dragon. etc. What is your take on how the lx-5, dragon, mr-1 and cr7 compare to each other? -Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration >Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:50:59 -0600 > >Hi Felix, > >felic dans wrote: >> >>hello Kermit, >> >>Thanks for the response. What is the procedure that you use to align your >>nak heads with test tapes. the test tape i got has the following in this >>order respectfully, multiple test tones (20hz,100hz,400hz, 800hz, 1000hz, >>2.5khz, 4 khz, 6 khz, 8 khz, 10 khz, 15 khz, 20 khz, and 20hz- 20khz >>sweep, 1 khz (8 minutes) , pink noise (5 minutes), and finally 1 khz (4 >>minutes) all recorded at -10db (what does that mean for me when tweaking >>heads)? > >You need a different type of tape, called an azimuth calibration tape, to >align heads. These have only a 10 kcps to 15 kcps tone for the length of >the tape. Mark's recommendations are spot on: The Teac MTT-114N (-10dB, >10kHz) or the MTT-114NBL (-10dB, 14kHz) are excellent, and I agree that the >MTT-114NBL is the better of the two because of the higher frequency. You >adjust the azimuth to achieve a maximum reading on either an oscilloscope >(best accuracy) or an audio voltmeter/power meter, like the Hewlett-Packard >400L. I use my 400L to spot-check azimuth then use the oscilloscope for >higher-tolerance work. > >>What is the purpose of the multiple test tones, 1 khz steady , pink > >This type of tape is for setting the EQ and evaluating frequency response. >The multiple test tones give you the response curve, the 1 kc steady tone >sets channel balance and overall playback level plus lets you set the tape >speed accurately, and the pink noise is used with a spectrum analyzer to >evaluate overall playback response. I myself dislike pink noise >measurements of tape decks and do not use them because noise and distortion >spuriae can cause false measurements. > >>How do I calibrate the heads using those tones? i've been using the vu >>meter readouts on the nak deck to monitor peaks. >>The stereo balance is always SLIGHTLY off, and I really do mean SLIGHTLY. >>can never get perfect. > >Use a quality audio voltmeter/power meter, like the Hewlett-Packard 400L, >or the Simpson 280 series. Audio voltmeters read in dB and measure AC >signals from 10 cps to beyond the range of human hearing. Note that the >typical digital multimeter or cheapie multitester don't give accurate >measurements of AC voltages. Audio signals are AC voltages. Some higher end >DMMs do measure AC voltages, like the Fluke 79 series. Neutrik makes a set >of test gear, the Mini-lyzer and the Mini-rator, that are excellent for >calibrating cassette decks and reel-to-reel tape recorders. > >Here's a basic procedure: play the 1 kc tone and adjust playback level to >the reference output level indicated by the service manual so that the >identical readings are achieved for both channels. Do one channel at a >time. This establishes both the playback level and channel balance. > >Next, play the 1 kc tone and connect the outputs of the deck to a frequency >counter. Adjust motor speed control so that the counter reads as close to >1,000 cps as you can manage. This sets playback speed. > >Next, play the series of multiple tones. Each tone should be within 2 dB of >each other, or better (or whatever the tolerance is specified by the >manual), as indicated by the audio voltmeter. Adjust the playback EQ >trimmer control, as required to achieve the necessary tolerance. This >establishes the playback response. > >Next, as a fast-and-accurate shortcut for setting bias, apply 50 cps, 400 >cps, 1 kc, and 14 kc to the inputs (using a low distortion audio >oscillator) so that the audio voltmeter (calibrated to the outputs of the >recorder) reads -20 dB for each tone. Record the tones onto a fresh blank >of your favorite tape. Set the deck's tape selector apropriately. Slowly >adjust the bias trimmer so that these four tones are reproduced equally. >For a two head deck, you'll have to record, rewind then playback, and >repeat the process; for a three head you can do it without stopping. This >sets the bias for a specimen of your favorite tape. > >Finally, adjust the bias traps as per the service manual. > > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 01:41:11 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:41:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Doane. I've asked the original owner about the springs, he noticed a crack on each of the plastic reels where the hub goes over it. So he decided to glue the teethed hubs to the plastic tube beneath it. and underneath all that is finally the metal spindle. Thank god he didnt get any glue onto the spindle or else the whole thing wouldnt spin at all. Should I just use the machine as is. ESLABS told me it is gonna be as expensive as overhauling the damn entire machine.=T. excess of 300 bux. What would you do? Use the machine as is? Felix >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" >Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:36:43 -0800 > >I knew I remembered this question somewhere.. Tim Bartlett posted the >following back in October: > >"On the take-up spindle is a lobed collar which is spring-loaded. The >lobes fit into the teeth in the hub of the cassette reel. Generally, >when you insert a cassette, the hub teeth slide over the lobes as the >cassette is pushed into place. But sometimes the teeth of the hub >manage to fall square on the end of the lobes as the cassette is pushed >in, this is the reason for the spring-loading - the collar is pushed >back a bit against the spring and into the machine. As soon as the unit >is put into play or fast forward, however, the spindle turns and the >collar rotates around until the lobes can be pushed back into position >into the teeth. This is a very confusing description, but 30 seconds of >close examination will show you what I mean. > >The problem is with the spindle itself. Some of them develop a small >crack and they expand slightly, but it's just enough to prevent the >collar from sliding freely on it. So when the hub teeth manage to push >the collar in, the collar gets stuck and can't pop back out to engage >the teeth of the cassette hub properly. What you hear is the lobes >banging against the teeth on the cassette hub as the take-up spindle >rotates unhindered behind the cassette. I think the LX-3 has a >mechanical counter which is belt-driven from the take-up spindle. Do >you notice the counter progressing much faster than normal when you hear >that worrisome noise? > >The correct repair is to replace the take up spindle." > >Hope that answeres your question > >Doane > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of felic dans >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:30 AM >To: Naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" > > >Hello, > >I've just gotten a nak lx-5 that has both take-up reels with springs that >do >not spring whatsoever. this is the part on the take-up reel that is >spring-loaded and supposed to contract and retract as the tape is loaded >into the well when the door is closed, acting as a suspension mechanism. I >guess the previous owner had fondled with it and it is now stuck into >position so there seems to be no kind of suspension of contraction or >retraction when the tape is loaded into the reel take-ups. it is solid >stiff > on both reels , but the reels move fine when playing, rewinding or >fastforwarding etc. > >. but , i am just concerned that the springs on the spokes do not move >anymore. is this going to damage tapes? or compromise sound quality in any >way? do i need to take it to the repair shop to replace it? or leave it be? > >Thanks, Nak community for your support. > >Felix > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 10 02:57:37 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:57:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439A3611.6000206@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, felic dans wrote: > > hello Kermit, > > Thanks for the response. What is the procedure that you use to align > your nak heads with test tapes. the test tape i got has the following in > this order respectfully, multiple test tones (20hz,100hz,400hz, 800hz, > 1000hz, 2.5khz, 4 khz, 6 khz, 8 khz, 10 khz, 15 khz, 20 khz, and 20hz- > 20khz sweep, 1 khz (8 minutes) , pink noise (5 minutes), and finally 1 > khz (4 minutes) all recorded at -10db (what does that mean for me when > tweaking heads)? > > What is the purpose of the multiple test tones, 1 khz steady , pink > noise? How do I calibrate the heads using those tones? i've been using > the vu meter readouts on the nak deck to monitor peaks. > The stereo balance is always SLIGHTLY off, and I really do mean > SLIGHTLY. can never get perfect. > Just a follow up to the previous message, several methods exist for settig bias, so the service manual should be consulted. Thanks to an offlist reader who reminded me the shortcut I described foir setting bias calibration works for certain reel-to-reels but may not be best for cassette decks. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rciubuc at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 03:35:37 2005 From: rciubuc at hotmail.com (radu ciubuc) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:35:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 zx playback static noise Message-ID: I have a 680zx that makes a static intermittent noise on left chanel during playback and during recording. The left meter jumps up during the static that can be heard during recording, however the tape does not record it.(played on other decks is OK) The noise appears to be somewhat related when the dolby is engaged both in rec and pb mode. I suspect has something to do with the PB or dolby circuit. Any ideeas? Radu _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 10 13:33:27 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:33:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 2 Message-ID: Hi Ian, You have to be passionate about cassette recording, the Nakamichi sound (which is well exemplified by the wonderful 480 series) and about analogue music. The sound of my 480Z is simply fantastic and that is a 2 head dual cap transport with triple precision laminated sendust-core heads and pad lifter. My other 2 Naks are big three headers. The difference between the 481 and the 481Z is that the latter features Dolby C and flourescent display instead of VU meters. The money you are about to pay B & W is a lot, but you will get in return a hardy cassette deck that is capable of jaw-dropping performance for the next 10-20 years. What you will get for it on e-bay is not relevant because its salebility has no bearing on its value. After all, you can sell an iPod for, I don't know, $200............ and sonically, its worth, at least to me, $10. Its not a bushel of wheat on a commodities exchange, it has a value than the broad masses don't care about, and actually never did. They cared about convenience and they still do. Convenience means not having to get off your butt more than absolutely necessary. And of course how much hip-hop we can shoe-horn into 4 gig. What have B & W done? They would be gald to answer that, but if they are thorough, they would blow it out with compressed air, replace all rubber parts, check and clean all switch gear contacts, and service and clean all the motors, for reel table, capstans and the cam-motor driven transport. They will lube the capstan bearings, and all moving parts like door hinges. Then if they are smart and know the Z models from the 480 range, they will carefully remove the hardened brown glue where visible from the circuit boards. This becomes problematic (conductive) with time and interferes usually with the Dolby circuits. Then they will test key components/semi-conductors throughout with appropriate equipment, replacing any if defective. Then they will align the heads and test them using the correct Nakamichi test tapes. Finally they will internally calibrate for standardised tapes in each category, again using proper calibration tapes. Obviously they will sort out lamps etc that don't work (which matter on Naks) as they are invariably linked to output. Then they will write out a large invoice. "Pukka"/......."Amazing" decks (like CR-7, Dragons etc). Ian, they are nice but I will be very frank - the 480 series in seriously underestimated - in appearance and spec and vintage, it only "seems" not to be a serious contender. But anyone who has seen its genuine Nak mechanism (not the Sankyo mech of the CR series), picked one up, or, most important, LISTENED to one will forever rate them in the frontline of cassette decks. I would argue that the 480Z and LX-3 are the two best 2-head decks ever made by any manufacturer. I fully agree that tape decks are creative instruments in a hi-fi set up whereas CD recorders are less involving and sound, to my mind worse. It's perhaps fair to say that digital has its place * to sound politely deprecating (Stephen King in the Shining) * "it's perfect for a child". I have a CD recorder so that I can record music (or a facsimile of it) for the needy. People who need a cassette deck. The problem with the Pioneer CT/DR series was that while they had a digital input (as an option) and processed incoming data through their Legato-Link DACs and ADCs, the main benefit (digitally applied NR) could only be realised when playing back on the same deck. There's no denying they were clever machines, but there was only one single-transport deck in the range - the CT-670D (very rare) and that was, while technically fascinating, not much better and significantly less practical or flexible than a decent Dolby S deck from them, say a CT-S550S Precision, or a CT-S640S. (Which were concurrently available). Enjoy your refurbished 481Z. She will bring you tremendous joy (and one final though Ian - record!!!!! Yes, record you own new compilation tapes. When you record on that deck, only then will you discover the immense resolving power of those heads and why analogue always has been the place to be). The only cost to you, apart from some decent tapes, will be the silly, irremovable grin it brings to your face. Cheers - Marc >>> earthrite at gn.apc.org 12/10/2005 2:23:36 AM >>> Hello fellow Nakkers! My 481z in need of what I thought was only a relube of the play\record cam was sent off to B&W here in the UK some 2 weeks ago to be 'recycled'. It could do all that it was supposed to do except play/record UNLESS one assisted the cam turning so I felt a relube was all that was needed ..... it sounded fantastic this humble 481z, believe me it sounded fantastic making old radio and field tapes (from a full size portable semi pro SONY from the 70's mostly) sound like cd's ...... quite often better than even my Linn based vinyl too....... and the rest of my system is classic UK 'flat earth' Naim, Linn deck and Isobariks so I have a good platform to 'listen' to tapes on. However it will cost some 190 pounds Sterling to restore to its 'full glory' to quote B&W....... I guess it needs more doing than I realised. Money is not lying about in heaps here so I have to be committed to go ahead with this repair strategy. I might be able to let you know exactly what has had to be done beyond what I expected. I thought it might be helpful to you to hear what the cost for thie work is. The early estimate by B & W was between 140 and 180 pounds Sterling for this (and I believe this is a normal price for similar 'basic', early and some later ones with the 3 motor, 3 head, double capstan tape lifting mechanics). Maybe some of our experienced members will know what was likely needing doing. I'd love to know. I would like some advice about replacing the power cord .... rather than fit an IEC socket i wondered if there is a body of knowledge in the forum about hardwiring in a better spec of power cord.... has any one done it and what cable specs or configuration was used. Any comments welcome ..... I felt the power cord was badly routed and clearly a low grade of wire. IEC's are nice but cutting the case would need to be done to a high standard and I'm not sure how one would do it ..... a Dremmel hand tool I expect. Moving on my efforts to locate a service manual for the 481z came to nought although our esteemed archives do have the 481 version with the VU meters. I went to all the well known vendors....... maybe B&W have one but I need to avoid further expense ....... Christmass is just around the corner after all. I dont know how differrent the 481 was in other respects so off to B&W it went. It went to them even though it is never going to be worth 190 pounds as its resale value is less than ..... what ? ..... some 70-100 sterling on ebay . quite possibly less....... even as a fully brand newly serviced deck...... as an unserviced deck it would be worth nuppence I guess .... .... so I'm going to pay up and will be grateful to have a 'new' 200 pound cassette deck in my home that will last, inshallah, another 20 years and prevent the complete wastage of this fine product of Mr Nakamichi ... ... from what i gather it might stop some part of the planet in China being further polluted where much of these old circuit are melted down etc..... have you seen the films of that area ...... ouch! I couldnt just let it go to the scrap heap. Frankly I feel all NAK tape decks should be treated differently when it comes to extending their life cycle and usefullness ...... just about all others sound like dross in comparison. I do however like the idea of Pioneers last decks which had digital inputs......... Tapes are far more creative than cd recorders in domestic set ups and then theres the sound........ ..... I will soon hopefully find a small mixer on ebay to record my Indian Harmonium and voice and capture that on the Nak ....... I should also replace the old mikes I used on the Sony all those years ago .... that recording will be fun ..... I wish NAKS had been able to keep the 3 mike inputs of the astounding big and early models. Even with 2 inputs i would'nt need a mixer just to plug in the microphones. Was it economy that led to the removal of such inputs? Back to now. When my deck is returned in its restored form I'll register it in the NAKS website ........ even though most of you seem to have the pukka AMAZING Naks and not these simple models I am glad to have bought this ebay wreck thru for the next generation and no doubt I will again show others the capabilities of a properly made tape playing machine. I sort of wish I restoring a later model with the now normal full digital read outs, peak reading leds and digi time elapsed displays..... but I know the actual sound can hardly get better from a well set up deck till one enters the high range of CR 7 or 700/1000 units and Dragons ......... I say this as someone who mostly will be replaying rather than recording tapes. If I really could tweak the bias and azimuth on replay as well as record ..... wow In all humility if anyone wishes to leave me their CR or Dragon etc when they shuffle of their mortal coil then I would act accordingly look after it and pass it on when I pass on :-) By then I believe our societal archives will have begun to store some of the vast resources that will likely remain on tape from private collections and will need good examples of restored and preserved machines to access the many jewels on this medium peace of the season to you all peace on Earth. ian scotland www.bechbaskets.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 10 14:33:27 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:33:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX1000 limited ed/gold In-Reply-To: <43960888.6090705@xs4all.nl> References: <4395ADDE.1030205@cox.net> <43960888.6090705@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <439AD927.5080106@xs4all.nl> It's amazing... the price! *US $3,102.76 ** * Item number: 5839288613 And this for a LTD that's not even perfect from the outside... Wouter > >> rumored to be headed to ebay soon. i might be able to forward offers >> prior to ebay posting. will ask the owner if he wishes to post any >> info to the list or if i can post for him. pics might be worth >> putting in the archive?? any idea how many were really made?? >> >> http://www.twfer.com/ebay/nak1000zxl.html >> >> neil in san diego >> feel free to contact me off list. i will post if the owner gets back >> to me. >> From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sat Dec 10 14:46:32 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:46:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX1000 limited ed/gold In-Reply-To: <439AD927.5080106@xs4all.nl> References: <4395ADDE.1030205@cox.net> <43960888.6090705@xs4all.nl> <439AD927.5080106@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051210084532.02ae4ac0@pop.videotron.ca> ...and no NR-100 Dolby C module. At 08:33 12/10/2005, you wrote: >It's amazing... the price! *US $3,102.76 ** * > >Item number: 5839288613 > >And this for a LTD that's not even perfect from the outside... > >Wouter > >> >>>rumored to be headed to ebay soon. i might be able to forward >>>offers prior to ebay posting. will ask the owner if he wishes to >>>post any info to the list or if i can post for him. pics might be >>>worth putting in the archive?? any idea how many were really made?? >>> >>>http://www.twfer.com/ebay/nak1000zxl.html >>> >>>neil in san diego >>>feel free to contact me off list. i will post if the owner gets back to me. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sat Dec 10 16:57:11 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:57:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX1000 limited ed/gold Message-ID: <35d76f7e03a2440db8c8217406484b48.nakamichi@ispwest.com> It will hit a new record in price...The last Limited appeared on ebay 4-5 months ago with Buy it Now option of $2,500.It had the same cosmetic condition.The gold plating is very thin & prone to fading,etc,so it is hard to keep it in pristine condition.Plus it was in storage with no temperature control.I agree...It is amazing,considering the very soft Nakamichi market right now. Maksim From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: 12/10/2005 5:33:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX1000 limited ed/gold > It's amazing... the price! *US $3,102.76 ** * > > Item number: 5839288613 > > And this for a LTD that's not even perfect from the outside... > > Wouter > > > > >> rumored to be headed to ebay soon. i might be able to forward offers > >> prior to ebay posting. will ask the owner if he wishes to post any > >> info to the list or if i can post for him. pics might be worth > >> putting in the archive?? any idea how many were really made?? > >> > >> http://www.twfer.com/ebay/nak1000zxl.html > >> > >> neil in san diego > >> feel free to contact me off list. i will post if the owner gets back > >> to me. > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sat Dec 10 17:02:02 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:02:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can try... just be sure the teeth are engaged before trying to play it, maybe wiggle the cassette sprokets as you put it in or something? Doane ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of felic dans Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" Thanks Doane. I've asked the original owner about the springs, he noticed a crack on each of the plastic reels where the hub goes over it. So he decided to glue the teethed hubs to the plastic tube beneath it. and underneath all that is finally the metal spindle. Thank god he didnt get any glue onto the spindle or else the whole thing wouldnt spin at all. Should I just use the machine as is. ESLABS told me it is gonna be as expensive as overhauling the damn entire machine.=T. excess of 300 bux. What would you do? Use the machine as is? Felix >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" >Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:36:43 -0800 > >I knew I remembered this question somewhere.. Tim Bartlett posted the >following back in October: > >"On the take-up spindle is a lobed collar which is spring-loaded. The >lobes fit into the teeth in the hub of the cassette reel. Generally, >when you insert a cassette, the hub teeth slide over the lobes as the >cassette is pushed into place. But sometimes the teeth of the hub >manage to fall square on the end of the lobes as the cassette is pushed >in, this is the reason for the spring-loading - the collar is pushed >back a bit against the spring and into the machine. As soon as the unit >is put into play or fast forward, however, the spindle turns and the >collar rotates around until the lobes can be pushed back into position >into the teeth. This is a very confusing description, but 30 seconds of >close examination will show you what I mean. > >The problem is with the spindle itself. Some of them develop a small >crack and they expand slightly, but it's just enough to prevent the >collar from sliding freely on it. So when the hub teeth manage to push >the collar in, the collar gets stuck and can't pop back out to engage >the teeth of the cassette hub properly. What you hear is the lobes >banging against the teeth on the cassette hub as the take-up spindle >rotates unhindered behind the cassette. I think the LX-3 has a >mechanical counter which is belt-driven from the take-up spindle. Do >you notice the counter progressing much faster than normal when you hear >that worrisome noise? > >The correct repair is to replace the take up spindle." > >Hope that answeres your question > >Doane > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of felic dans >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:30 AM >To: Naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Take up reels do not "spring" > > >Hello, > >I've just gotten a nak lx-5 that has both take-up reels with springs that >do >not spring whatsoever. this is the part on the take-up reel that is >spring-loaded and supposed to contract and retract as the tape is loaded >into the well when the door is closed, acting as a suspension mechanism. I >guess the previous owner had fondled with it and it is now stuck into >position so there seems to be no kind of suspension of contraction or >retraction when the tape is loaded into the reel take-ups. it is solid >stiff > on both reels , but the reels move fine when playing, rewinding or >fastforwarding etc. > >. but , i am just concerned that the springs on the spokes do not move >anymore. is this going to damage tapes? or compromise sound quality in any >way? do i need to take it to the repair shop to replace it? or leave it be? > >Thanks, Nak community for your support. > >Felix > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouter > >> rumored to be headed to ebay soon. i might be able to forward offers >> prior to ebay posting. will ask the owner if he wishes to post any >> info to the list or if i can post for him. pics might be worth >> putting in the archive?? any idea how many were really made?? >> >> http://www.twfer.com/ebay/nak1000zxl.html >> >> neil in san diego >> feel free to contact me off list. i will post if the owner gets back >> to me. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sat Dec 10 16:00:14 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:00:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] manual for Aphex 109 References: <003a01c5fd16$896f2e80$27c287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000601c5fd9a$9d01d0e0$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Hi All, Does anyone know how I could get hold of (download) a manual for an Aphex 109 parametric equalizer. I am using this to re-master from my Nak Dragon. Aphex don't make these equalizers anymore so they are not of any help. I have been searching for manual download sites without any luck. Any help would be appreciated. Adam From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 10 22:36:12 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:36:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] manual for Aphex 109 In-Reply-To: <000601c5fd9a$9d01d0e0$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> References: <003a01c5fd16$896f2e80$27c287d9@oemcomputer> <000601c5fd9a$9d01d0e0$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Message-ID: <439B4A4C.3010208@woods-and-waters.com> You may want to sell the 109 and get a good copy or reissue of the Pultec EQP-1, a far better unit for remastering. The 109 is a good EQ, but not remastering quality. Adam Falcrest wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know how I could get hold of (download) a manual for an > Aphex 109 parametric equalizer. I am using this to re-master from my Nak > Dragon. Aphex don't make these equalizers anymore so they are not of any > help. > > I have been searching for manual download sites without any luck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 10 23:05:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:05:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439B512A.3030501@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Felix, I'm glad to be of help! felic dans wrote: > Hey Kermit, > > You've given me some of the most helpful information that i've found for > the nakamichi decks. I really thank you for your time. > > Just out of curiosity, What decks do you personally own? and what tapes > do you like using to record? I've got the lx-5, bx-100, cr1a, mr-1. I'm > thinkin bout tossing those back out on ebay on the exception of the > lx-5. to acquire some more hi-end models. such as a cr-7 or dragon. etc. I'm running a 500, two 550, 600, two 600-II (one needs work), a 481 (needs repair) and a BX-2 (that's probably destined for the scrapheap -- I'm weary of working on its shoddy idler roller mechanism and it dying again). As I critique decks, always keep in mind, I'm more interested in RELIABILITY over features and I buy the deck because I want its particular "sound." I like the large, detailed, big-label sound of the 500, 550 and 600 series, a sound evocative of studio reel-to-reel decks -- something no other line of cassette decks boasts. At the time, the 500, 600 series, 700 series and 1000 series were unquestionably without peer sonically, and I feel still they are. The single finest cassette deck ever made sonically, in my experience, was the 1000ZXL. Although it lacks some of the features of the CR-7 and the Dragon, it has the same sonics as a full size studio reel-to-reel and hence bests either of their sound. I didn't buy the 700 or 1000 when I had the chance because of reliability issues only. The 600-II was the most reliable of the line, and it became my flagship cassette deck as a result. The 481's sound is excellent, but, to be honest, as time went by I think Nakamichi lost their magic sound as they chased ever-more-intricate automation and clever features. By the time of the Dragon, they'd lost their unquestioned sonic supremacy and several other decks sounded as good with better reliability. So, I bought a reliable Revox B710 instead of the Dragon when the time came to buy a newer "superdeck." My favorite cassette blanks are, in order of preference: Quantegy 471, Maxell Professional (essentially XL-II in a better shell and a slight reformulation to take higher bias current), TDK, Emtec, Maxell XL-II. > What is your take on how the lx-5, dragon, mr-1 and cr7 compare to each > other? I'd say the Dragon is best for repro work because of its automation, but it awful ergonomics and dubious reliability let it down in its quest for ultimate cassette deck. The CR-7 has comparable sound quality to the Dragon, but to my ear has a bit of an edge sonically because of better microdynamics. The MR-1 didn't impress me sonically and its lack of transformers in its balanced inputs make it a poor match for older studio gear -- which is an issue for me. I've heard an LX-5 only once and it failed to make an impression -- I liked my Revox's sound better. As to that, to my ears the Revox was so close to the Dragon and the CR-7 that I had a very difficult time choosing. The reliability issue and Revox's excellent tech support tipped the balance and I chose Revox. I'd take the CR-7 over the Dragon mainly because they don't have the Dragon's reputation, so you'll get them cheaper, as a rule. Neither is any paragon of reliability. If you have a large collection of tapes or you remaster or restore cassette tapes, then you have only one choice: enter the Dragon. I'd also take the Dragon over the LX-5 because its superior automation makes the difference between the two choices. I'd take the MR-1 to my competitor as a gift so that I'd have an edge over my competition. Seriously. Need a pro deck with balanced lines? Then get a Revox A710, Or, a Tascam 122 and have it custom-biased and EQ'ed to open up its sound. If you want to go for cassette glory, you'll need to suffer for your art: grab a 1000XZL and be prepared to suffer to get it running if it has developed problems, but oh wow -- will you ever love the sound! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 11 00:19:07 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:19:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 zx playback static noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439B626B.8000800@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Radu, I'd first check the rec/playmode switch, if the deck has one (some three-head decks don't but most two head decks do); and all switches and PCB connectors in the signal path: Dolby switch, the PCB edgecard connector for the Dolby PCB, and all other edgecard connectors. Next, check all capacitors in the signal path. One may be discharging intermittently. Finally, check all potentiometers for one that exhibits static when rotated because it often will when left in one position too. radu ciubuc wrote: > I have a 680zx that makes a static intermittent noise on left chanel > during playback and during recording. The left meter jumps up during the > static that can be heard during recording, however the tape does not > record it.(played on other decks is OK) The noise appears to be somewhat > related when the dolby is engaged both in rec and pb mode. I suspect has > something to do with the PB or dolby circuit. Any ideeas? > Radu -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sun Dec 11 01:00:55 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:00:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] manual for Aphex 109 References: <003a01c5fd16$896f2e80$27c287d9@oemcomputer><000601c5fd9a$9d01d0e0$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> <439B4A4C.3010208@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000f01c5fde5$f709f450$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> erm no thanks iv just bought the aphex 109 and am after a manual. Ta A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] manual for Aphex 109 > You may want to sell the 109 and get a good copy or reissue of the Pultec > EQP-1, a far better unit for remastering. The 109 is a good EQ, but not > remastering quality. > > Adam Falcrest wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone know how I could get hold of (download) a manual for an Aphex >> 109 parametric equalizer. I am using this to re-master from my Nak >> Dragon. Aphex don't make these equalizers anymore so they are not of any >> help. >> >> I have been searching for manual download sites without any luck. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 01:15:52 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <439B512A.3030501@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit, Wow, as you probably know. I just started out with collecting Naks recently as they were too rich for my blood back in the days when cassettes were ruling the market. All I can say so far about the naks i currently acquired is that it is far superior to any department store sony, denon , akai , technics deck that I ever owned in terms of build and sonics. Well, the build i guess isn't a fair judgement because back in the days apparently most good quality electronics carried an industrial-like build that most likely inflated the price tags. I have not the priviledge to listen to any of the decks you mentioned yet as i am still doing research and scanning ebay for good deals. I was impulsive to acquire those decks out of excitement despite my research informing me of their inferiority to the dragon and cr7a, 1000zxl, 700, etc. However, I am truly not disappointed one bit. I just wanted an introduction into what Naks have to offer at budget prices before heading onto the higher-end decks. I am really turned on by the 1000zxl. but, i';ve heard much stories about most units needing repair work somewhat. and that carries a hefty price-tag. and also run the course of risking extinct replacement parts. even from the renowned ESLABS, run by Jeff , the head technician for nakamichi when they were still producing decks into the early '90s. I learned that he has all the original test equipment and tools, parts necessary to do top-notch professional repair work with naks. But, i've heard that repair estimates are RIDICULOUSLY OFF THE ROOF-TOP. 75 dollars just for looking at the deck.. and then if work is over 75.. the fee gets waived and the repair price is the final price. where do you send your decks in for work? One problem i also discovered. one led bulb on the vu meter on the MR-1 is extremely low - like it's dying - but still some faint sign of life. how to repair that? any clue? could it be a D.I.Y.? I >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:05:30 -0600 > >Hey Felix, > >I'm glad to be of help! > >felic dans wrote: >>Hey Kermit, >> >>You've given me some of the most helpful information that i've found for >>the nakamichi decks. I really thank you for your time. >> >>Just out of curiosity, What decks do you personally own? and what tapes >>do you like using to record? I've got the lx-5, bx-100, cr1a, mr-1. I'm >>thinkin bout tossing those back out on ebay on the exception of the lx-5. >>to acquire some more hi-end models. such as a cr-7 or dragon. etc. > >I'm running a 500, two 550, 600, two 600-II (one needs work), a 481 (needs >repair) and a BX-2 (that's probably destined for the scrapheap -- I'm weary >of working on its shoddy idler roller mechanism and it dying again). > >As I critique decks, always keep in mind, I'm more interested in >RELIABILITY over features and I buy the deck because I want its particular >"sound." I like the large, detailed, big-label sound of the 500, 550 and >600 series, a sound evocative of studio reel-to-reel decks -- something no >other line of cassette decks boasts. At the time, the 500, 600 series, 700 >series and 1000 series were unquestionably without peer sonically, and I >feel still they are. The single finest cassette deck ever made sonically, >in my experience, was the 1000ZXL. Although it lacks some of the features >of the CR-7 and the Dragon, it has the same sonics as a full size studio >reel-to-reel and hence bests either of their sound. I didn't buy the 700 or >1000 when I had the chance because of reliability issues only. The 600-II >was the most reliable of the line, and it became my flagship cassette deck >as a result. > >The 481's sound is excellent, but, to be honest, as time went by I think >Nakamichi lost their magic sound as they chased ever-more-intricate >automation and clever features. By the time of the Dragon, they'd lost >their unquestioned sonic supremacy and several other decks sounded as good >with better reliability. So, I bought a reliable Revox B710 instead of the >Dragon when the time came to buy a newer "superdeck." > >My favorite cassette blanks are, in order of preference: Quantegy 471, >Maxell Professional (essentially XL-II in a better shell and a slight >reformulation to take higher bias current), TDK, Emtec, Maxell XL-II. > >>What is your take on how the lx-5, dragon, mr-1 and cr7 compare to each >>other? > >I'd say the Dragon is best for repro work because of its automation, but it >awful ergonomics and dubious reliability let it down in its quest for >ultimate cassette deck. > >The CR-7 has comparable sound quality to the Dragon, but to my ear has a >bit of an edge sonically because of better microdynamics. > >The MR-1 didn't impress me sonically and its lack of transformers in its >balanced inputs make it a poor match for older studio gear -- which is an >issue for me. > >I've heard an LX-5 only once and it failed to make an impression -- I liked >my Revox's sound better. As to that, to my ears the Revox was so close to >the Dragon and the CR-7 that I had a very difficult time choosing. The >reliability issue and Revox's excellent tech support tipped the balance and >I chose Revox. > >I'd take the CR-7 over the Dragon mainly because they don't have the >Dragon's reputation, so you'll get them cheaper, as a rule. Neither is any >paragon of reliability. > >If you have a large collection of tapes or you remaster or restore cassette >tapes, then you have only one choice: enter the Dragon. > >I'd also take the Dragon over the LX-5 because its superior automation >makes the difference between the two choices. > >I'd take the MR-1 to my competitor as a gift so that I'd have an edge over >my competition. Seriously. Need a pro deck with balanced lines? Then get a >Revox A710, Or, a Tascam 122 and have it custom-biased and EQ'ed to open up >its sound. > >If you want to go for cassette glory, you'll need to suffer for your art: >grab a 1000XZL and be prepared to suffer to get it running if it has >developed problems, but oh wow -- will you ever love the sound! > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 03:57:47 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:57:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration Message-ID: Hi Kermit! You wrote! >If you want to go for cassette glory, you'll need to suffer for your art: >grab a 1000XZL and be prepared to suffer to get it running if it has >developed problems, but oh wow -- will you ever love the sound! < 100% true!!! During the middle 80ties I had the oportunity hearinf side by side the "Black" 1000ZXL & a Dragon (Not mine today's!), and the fullest/warmest sound of the 1000ZXL really catch me...far better that the Dragon. During those days..."Reliability"...was NOT a issue!!! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:05:30 -0600 > >Hey Felix, > >I'm glad to be of help! > >felic dans wrote: >>Hey Kermit, >> >>You've given me some of the most helpful information that i've found for >>the nakamichi decks. I really thank you for your time. >> >>Just out of curiosity, What decks do you personally own? and what tapes >>do you like using to record? I've got the lx-5, bx-100, cr1a, mr-1. I'm >>thinkin bout tossing those back out on ebay on the exception of the lx-5. >>to acquire some more hi-end models. such as a cr-7 or dragon. etc. > >I'm running a 500, two 550, 600, two 600-II (one needs work), a 481 (needs >repair) and a BX-2 (that's probably destined for the scrapheap -- I'm weary >of working on its shoddy idler roller mechanism and it dying again). > >As I critique decks, always keep in mind, I'm more interested in >RELIABILITY over features and I buy the deck because I want its particular >"sound." I like the large, detailed, big-label sound of the 500, 550 and >600 series, a sound evocative of studio reel-to-reel decks -- something no >other line of cassette decks boasts. At the time, the 500, 600 series, 700 >series and 1000 series were unquestionably without peer sonically, and I >feel still they are. The single finest cassette deck ever made sonically, >in my experience, was the 1000ZXL. Although it lacks some of the features >of the CR-7 and the Dragon, it has the same sonics as a full size studio >reel-to-reel and hence bests either of their sound. I didn't buy the 700 or >1000 when I had the chance because of reliability issues only. The 600-II >was the most reliable of the line, and it became my flagship cassette deck >as a result. > >The 481's sound is excellent, but, to be honest, as time went by I think >Nakamichi lost their magic sound as they chased ever-more-intricate >automation and clever features. By the time of the Dragon, they'd lost >their unquestioned sonic supremacy and several other decks sounded as good >with better reliability. So, I bought a reliable Revox B710 instead of the >Dragon when the time came to buy a newer "superdeck." > >My favorite cassette blanks are, in order of preference: Quantegy 471, >Maxell Professional (essentially XL-II in a better shell and a slight >reformulation to take higher bias current), TDK, Emtec, Maxell XL-II. > >>What is your take on how the lx-5, dragon, mr-1 and cr7 compare to each >>other? > >I'd say the Dragon is best for repro work because of its automation, but it >awful ergonomics and dubious reliability let it down in its quest for >ultimate cassette deck. > >The CR-7 has comparable sound quality to the Dragon, but to my ear has a >bit of an edge sonically because of better microdynamics. > >The MR-1 didn't impress me sonically and its lack of transformers in its >balanced inputs make it a poor match for older studio gear -- which is an >issue for me. > >I've heard an LX-5 only once and it failed to make an impression -- I liked >my Revox's sound better. As to that, to my ears the Revox was so close to >the Dragon and the CR-7 that I had a very difficult time choosing. The >reliability issue and Revox's excellent tech support tipped the balance and >I chose Revox. > >I'd take the CR-7 over the Dragon mainly because they don't have the >Dragon's reputation, so you'll get them cheaper, as a rule. Neither is any >paragon of reliability. > >If you have a large collection of tapes or you remaster or restore cassette >tapes, then you have only one choice: enter the Dragon. > >I'd also take the Dragon over the LX-5 because its superior automation >makes the difference between the two choices. > >I'd take the MR-1 to my competitor as a gift so that I'd have an edge over >my competition. Seriously. Need a pro deck with balanced lines? Then get a >Revox A710, Or, a Tascam 122 and have it custom-biased and EQ'ed to open up >its sound. > >If you want to go for cassette glory, you'll need to suffer for your art: >grab a 1000XZL and be prepared to suffer to get it running if it has >developed problems, but oh wow -- will you ever love the sound! > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 11 14:34:47 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <439B512A.3030501@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000001c5fe57$a8a877b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> >.. Need a pro deck with balanced lines? Then get a Revox A710, Or, a Tascam 122 and have it custom-biased and EQ'ed to open up its sound...< Kermit, What do you recommend to "open up" the sound on a Tascam 122? I have a Mk1 122 that I bought on Ebay about a year ago. I have had it calibrated for TDK SA tape but the replay of ordinary cassettes (both home recorded and commercially produced) cassettes sound so woolly that they are actually better with the Dolby turned off! Even in this mode the sound is remarkably free from tape hiss (is the machine engineered this way to the detriment of the sound quality?). I find it hard to imagine that a deck made for the recording industry cannot be made to sound, well, right! As for the build and mechanics, I love it, it is built like a tank and feels like it will go on for ever. My local service centre (a Tascam sympathiser!) has removed the main motors and lubricated them, replaced the idler wheel, tension spring and belts. They also hand cleaned the interior, demagnetised and cleaned the heads. All in all about 4 hours work. Fortunately they are not greedy and only charge £12.50 ($22US) per hour. The Tascam has the option of a double speed i.e. 3¾ ips. Has anybody tried this and does it make a worthwhile improvement? Shaun From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 16:02:37 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:02:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-5 Take-up reels' springs Message-ID: Hello Nak community, I have an lx-5 and the springs on the take up reel spindles do not contract. they are stiff, as if someone had glued the cassette reel hub ( where cassette tape holes go through and has 3 "fans" to lock the tape in place on each reel) to the plastic spindle tube that surrounds the innermost metal spindle itself , rendering them useless as a suspension mechanism for the tape guides where the cassette tape holes go through. What sort of problem is this going to pose mechanically and sonically since there is no spring effect from the springs.? Use it as is? what do you think, nak community? Felix From matyas at sonypro.ch Sun Dec 11 19:18:55 2005 From: matyas at sonypro.ch (matyas) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:18:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680 zx playback static noise Message-ID: <200512111918.AA45744778@sonypro.ch> Hello, your static nois is surely due to an analog switchin ic. replace all 4066 "Quad Bilateral Switch" in your Nak 680ZX Two of them was defective in mine! Matyas ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - --- [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 11 21:47:38 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:47:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <000001c5fe57$a8a877b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000001c5fe57$a8a877b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <439C906A.4020302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: >>.. Need a pro deck with balanced lines? > > Then get a Revox A710, Or, a Tascam 122 and have it custom-biased and > EQ'ed to open up its sound...< > > Kermit, > > What do you recommend to "open up" the sound on a Tascam 122? > For some weird reason, the Tascam 122 comes from the factory biased & EQed wrongly, as far as I'm concerned; and if you follow the manual you'll repeat the error! The Dolby calibration is all wrong too. Forget the manual, have the deck biased and EQed differently. I wish you lived closer to me; I'd do it for you for free. Some persons have replaced signal capacitors with better types. This can help, but the 122's big problem is its factory-calibration! IN BRIEF, here's the procedure: INITIAL CONDITIONS -- Dolby OFF, tape select as appropriate, normal speed, INPUT LEVEL control fully clockwise. CLEAN and DEMAGNETIZE all tape heads, tape guides, the capstan. Clean the pinch roller. Check all voltages at the outputs of the power supply to ensure they are within tolerance. A. Using an azimuth alignment tape, set head alignment as per the service manual OR set the azimuth to read a maximum output on both channels equally using oscilloscope. NEXT, set INPUT level full clockwise, then apply a 15 kc so the input level reads -20 dB. Put a good quality tape in the deck (TDK for normal bias, or for chrome bias Quantegy 471, Maxell XL-II or TDK SA). FAST FORWARD the tape fully, then REWIND the tape fully. Do this twice. Start the recorder in RECORD mode. Switch to TAPE monitor. Adjust REC head azimuth to read a maximum output on both channels equally using oscilloscope. B. Using a tape with 1 kc at 0 dB level (where 0 dB equals 165 nW/m fluxivity), set the reproduce level calibration trimmer so that an audio meter on the LINE OUT reads +4 dBu. Confirm that the level meters also read 0 dB. Connect a frequency counter to the LINE OUT and confirm that the frequency is between 995 cps and 1010 cps. If not, then adjust tape speed (motor speed) to get as close to 1,000 cps as possible. C. Using a reproduce alignment tape with spot frequencies at -20 dB, adjust the playback EQ so that the spot frequencies are within 2 dB of each other. D. Switch to INPUT monitor. Apply a 15 kc tone so that it reads -20 dB on the meter connected to the LINE OUTput. Put a good quality tape in the deck. FAST FORWARD the tape fully, then REWIND the tape fully. Do this twice. Switch to TAPE monitor. Note whether the level of the 15 kc tone changes. Adjust the bias current (move BIAS CAL trimmer s - l - o - w - l - y) until you find a maximum output of the 15 kc tone on both channels equally. Note the setting. INCREASE the bias current (move BIAS CAL trimmer clockwise s - l - o - w - l - y) until the level of the tone DROPS by 1.5 dB (Normal bias cassette) or 2 dB (chrome cassette). Check the THD using a good analyzer; it should read the percentage indicated in the manual spec list. IF NOT, continue to increase bias current until it does -- but do not increase bias current more than 3.5 dB, REGARDLESS. ADJUST bias traps as shown in the service manual. E. Switch to INPUT monitor. Apply spot frequencies, one at a time, that are the same as the reproduce alignment tape, and adjust their levels so that an audio meter on the LINE OUT reads -20 dBu for all frequencies. Put a good quality tape in the deck. FAST FORWARD the tape fully, then REWIND the tape fully. Do this twice. Start the recorder in RECORD mode. Switch to TAPE monitor. Apply spot frequencies, one at a time, that are the same as the reproduce alignment tape. Note the levels. If the levels are not within 2 dB of each other, adjust the playback EQ calibration trimmer until they are. Move the trimmer s - l - o - w - l - y. During this procedure, ensure that 400 cps and 15 kc are reproduced at EXACTLY -20 dB. Keep tweaking the playback EQ trimmer to get as close as possible. F. Switch to INPUT monitor. Apply 400 cps and 15 kc, one at a time, and adjust their levels so that an audio meter on the LINE OUT reads 0 dBu for all frequencies. Switch to TAPE monitor. Apply 400 cps and 15 kc, one at a time, and check that both tones are reproduced at EXACTLY 0 dB. If not, then tine tune the bias trimmer until both tones are reproduced at EXACTLY 0 dB. You may observe the 15 kc tone bounce around a bit. This is normal. You'll have to stare at it and judge when it is as 0 dB. The Dolby should now be aligned properly as well but check the Dolby calibration as described in the service manual to be sure. Run a recording frequency response check with Dolby ON to ensure that the Dolby doesn't cause more than 1 dB of loss at 15 kc. If it does, then the Dolby calibration needs a bit more tweaking. G. Listen to the deck now. If it doesn't sound much more open and clean, then keep tweaking the bias and REC eq until it does. > I have a Mk1 122 that I bought on Ebay about a year ago. I have had it > calibrated for TDK SA tape but the replay of ordinary cassettes (both home > recorded and commercially produced) cassettes sound so woolly that they are > actually better with the Dolby turned off! This makes me think your Dolby calibration OR your playback EQ is way off -- if not both. > Even in this mode the sound is > remarkably free from tape hiss (is the machine engineered this way to the > detriment of the sound quality?). I find it hard to imagine that a deck made > for the recording industry cannot be made to sound, well, right! As for the > build and mechanics, I love it, it is built like a tank and feels like it > will go on for ever. My local service centre (a Tascam sympathiser!) has > removed the main motors and lubricated them, replaced the idler wheel, > tension spring and belts. They also hand cleaned the interior, demagnetised > and cleaned the heads. All in all about 4 hours work. Fortunately they are > not greedy and only charge £12.50 ($22US) per hour. > > The Tascam has the option of a double speed i.e. 3¾ ips. Has anybody tried > this and does it make a worthwhile improvement? Yes! It's wonderful! Improved headroom and tremendous dynamic range. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 11 22:07:23 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:07:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439C950B.2010902@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, Never forget, all Naks are excellent -- we're talking degrees of excellence here. felic dans wrote: > where do you send your decks in for work? I do my own service work as a whole. Occasionally, I send a deck out, like my Uhers I send out to Saul Mineroff and my Revoxes I sometimes send to JM Technical Arts. I've not sent a Nak out for years (one of my 550). The last time I did it went to TAP Electronics. Fast turnaround and a fair price but all I had them do was replace the deck's defective motor and belts, bias and EQ it, and replace a broken switch. > One problem i also discovered. one led bulb on the vu meter on the MR-1 > is extremely low - like it's dying - but still some faint sign of life. > how to repair that? any clue? could it be a D.I.Y.? Strange. May be the driver chip, may be the LED, or the series resistor. Check the voltage from the driver chip to the LED, and input a constant tone at 0dB first so all the LEDs light up steadily. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 11 23:01:15 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:01:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <439C906A.4020302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000501c5fe9e$69776f50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well Kermit, That is VERY explicit. As I do not have the knowledge or equipment to do this myself, I will print it out and take it to my local service shop and ask whether they are prepared to adjust the calibration as per your recommendations. Thank you very much for these Off-topic instructions. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 11 December 2005 20:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: >>.. Need a pro deck with balanced lines? > > Then get a Revox A710, Or, a Tascam 122 and have it custom-biased and > EQ'ed to open up its sound...< > > Kermit, > > What do you recommend to "open up" the sound on a Tascam 122? > For some weird reason, the Tascam 122 comes from the factory biased & EQed wrongly, as far as I'm concerned; and if you follow the manual you'll repeat the error! The Dolby calibration is all wrong too. Forget the manual, have the deck biased and EQed differently. I wish you lived closer to me; I'd do it for you for free. Some persons have replaced signal capacitors with better types. This can help, but the 122's big problem is its factory-calibration! IN BRIEF, here's the procedure: INITIAL CONDITIONS -- Dolby OFF, tape select as appropriate, normal speed, INPUT LEVEL control fully clockwise. CLEAN and DEMAGNETIZE all tape heads, tape guides, the capstan. Clean the pinch roller. Check all voltages at the outputs of the power supply to ensure they are within tolerance. A. Using an azimuth alignment tape, set head alignment as per the service manual OR set the azimuth to read a maximum output on both channels equally using oscilloscope. NEXT, set INPUT level full clockwise, then apply a 15 kc so the input level reads -20 dB. Put a good quality tape in the deck (TDK for normal bias, or for chrome bias Quantegy 471, Maxell XL-II or TDK SA). FAST FORWARD the tape fully, then REWIND the tape fully. Do this twice. Start the recorder in RECORD mode. Switch to TAPE monitor. Adjust REC head azimuth to read a maximum output on both channels equally using oscilloscope. B. Using a tape with 1 kc at 0 dB level (where 0 dB equals 165 nW/m fluxivity), set the reproduce level calibration trimmer so that an audio meter on the LINE OUT reads +4 dBu. Confirm that the level meters also read 0 dB. Connect a frequency counter to the LINE OUT and confirm that the frequency is between 995 cps and 1010 cps. If not, then adjust tape speed (motor speed) to get as close to 1,000 cps as possible. C. Using a reproduce alignment tape with spot frequencies at -20 dB, adjust the playback EQ so that the spot frequencies are within 2 dB of each other. D. Switch to INPUT monitor. Apply a 15 kc tone so that it reads -20 dB on the meter connected to the LINE OUTput. Put a good quality tape in the deck. FAST FORWARD the tape fully, then REWIND the tape fully. Do this twice. Switch to TAPE monitor. Note whether the level of the 15 kc tone changes. Adjust the bias current (move BIAS CAL trimmer s - l - o - w - l - y) until you find a maximum output of the 15 kc tone on both channels equally. Note the setting. INCREASE the bias current (move BIAS CAL trimmer clockwise s - l - o - w - l - y) until the level of the tone DROPS by 1.5 dB (Normal bias cassette) or 2 dB (chrome cassette). Check the THD using a good analyzer; it should read the percentage indicated in the manual spec list. IF NOT, continue to increase bias current until it does -- but do not increase bias current more than 3.5 dB, REGARDLESS. ADJUST bias traps as shown in the service manual. E. Switch to INPUT monitor. Apply spot frequencies, one at a time, that are the same as the reproduce alignment tape, and adjust their levels so that an audio meter on the LINE OUT reads -20 dBu for all frequencies. Put a good quality tape in the deck. FAST FORWARD the tape fully, then REWIND the tape fully. Do this twice. Start the recorder in RECORD mode. Switch to TAPE monitor. Apply spot frequencies, one at a time, that are the same as the reproduce alignment tape. Note the levels. If the levels are not within 2 dB of each other, adjust the playback EQ calibration trimmer until they are. Move the trimmer s - l - o - w - l - y. During this procedure, ensure that 400 cps and 15 kc are reproduced at EXACTLY -20 dB. Keep tweaking the playback EQ trimmer to get as close as possible. F. Switch to INPUT monitor. Apply 400 cps and 15 kc, one at a time, and adjust their levels so that an audio meter on the LINE OUT reads 0 dBu for all frequencies. Switch to TAPE monitor. Apply 400 cps and 15 kc, one at a time, and check that both tones are reproduced at EXACTLY 0 dB. If not, then tine tune the bias trimmer until both tones are reproduced at EXACTLY 0 dB. You may observe the 15 kc tone bounce around a bit. This is normal. You'll have to stare at it and judge when it is as 0 dB. The Dolby should now be aligned properly as well but check the Dolby calibration as described in the service manual to be sure. Run a recording frequency response check with Dolby ON to ensure that the Dolby doesn't cause more than 1 dB of loss at 15 kc. If it does, then the Dolby calibration needs a bit more tweaking. G. Listen to the deck now. If it doesn't sound much more open and clean, then keep tweaking the bias and REC eq until it does. > I have a Mk1 122 that I bought on Ebay about a year ago. I have had it > calibrated for TDK SA tape but the replay of ordinary cassettes (both > home recorded and commercially produced) cassettes sound so woolly > that they are actually better with the Dolby turned off! This makes me think your Dolby calibration OR your playback EQ is way off -- if not both. > Even in this mode the sound is > remarkably free from tape hiss (is the machine engineered this way to > the detriment of the sound quality?). I find it hard to imagine that a > deck made for the recording industry cannot be made to sound, well, > right! As for the build and mechanics, I love it, it is built like a > tank and feels like it will go on for ever. My local service centre (a > Tascam sympathiser!) has removed the main motors and lubricated them, > replaced the idler wheel, tension spring and belts. They also hand > cleaned the interior, demagnetised and cleaned the heads. All in all > about 4 hours work. Fortunately they are not greedy and only charge > £12.50 ($22US) per hour. > > The Tascam has the option of a double speed i.e. 3¾ ips. Has anybody > tried this and does it make a worthwhile improvement? Yes! It's wonderful! Improved headroom and tremendous dynamic range. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Dec 12 03:02:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:02:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 cassette head calibration In-Reply-To: <000501c5fe9e$69776f50$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000501c5fe9e$69776f50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <439CDA32.9080203@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Well Kermit, > > That is VERY explicit. As I do not have the knowledge or equipment to do > this myself, I will print it out and take it to my local service shop and > ask whether they are prepared to adjust the calibration as per your > recommendations. > > Thank you very much for these Off-topic instructions. > Not really off-topic. As part of my apprenticeship in the 1970s, I was taught a generic approach to calibrating tape recorders, which is basically what I've described. The method can be adapted for almost any tape recorder, except for pre-1954 models, and in many instances does a better job than what the manufacturer describes in their service manuals. Scully, the 3M 79, many studio models of Ampex, and Studer-Revox machines are best done following their calibration method, which by the way, is very similar to the method I described, hereafter known as the generic method. The key to this method is setting the bias current to produce maximum output via tape, then further increasing bias until the level of a reference tone, typically 15 kc, drops by an amount specified by the manufacturer. Revox, for example, gives detailed tables showing different brands of tape and how much the level should be allowed to drop. Some Naks (but not all -- when in doubt, do it Nakamichi's way), like the BX-whatevers and LX-whatevers, will benefit from the "generic" method, as well as decks made by Akai, Onkyo, Otari, Sharp, Yamaha, Luxman, Dual, Ferrograph, Pioneer, Teac, Tascam, Ampex, and a plethora of others. Note that certain specialized recorders should follow the manufacturers' method. For example, the Nak 600 series lack playback EQ trimmer controls and their Dolby calibration is unique, so Nakamichi's method is best. Uher uses a very oddball calibration method for which nothing else will substitute. Very specialist recorders, like Pentron, Magnecorder, Berlant-Concertone, Nagra, Stellavox, Cinerama's 8-channel magsound recorders, A-Roll magstripe recorders, Lyrec bin duplicators, broadcast cart machines, and high-speed cassette duplicators (like those made by Telex, Wollensak or Recordex) all have unique aspects that must be followed exactly; the decks will work if you use the generic method but the sound will suffer. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ypsound at netyp.com.au Mon Dec 12 08:52:53 2005 From: ypsound at netyp.com.au (B. W. Wade) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:22:53 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs In South Australaia Message-ID: <000501c5fef1$2d080180$f6ecfea9@net> PLEASE, Can anyone help with a GOOD Nakamichi Cassette repair organisation in South Australia. I have three Nakamichi decks, and although they have given years of trouble-free service, they are now getting tired. I have had two of them repaired but after repair, the flutter is way beyond what Nakamichi (and me) would consider to be acceptable. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Barry Ps If there are no good repairs in South Australia, names of (GOOD) interstate repairers would help -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Dec 12 11:11:15 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:11:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Nak - very low output level In-Reply-To: <439983C7.70006@pcug.org.au> References: <200901e072824cd28692fa21f1a367ea.nakamichi@ispwest.com> <439983C7.70006@pcug.org.au> Message-ID: <73e7c493ffbf9ab725e5dc19a3595273@zoomnet.com.au> Nick I had that problem and found some small bulbs that suited from a local supplier in Cairns, Qld. They buy from Farnell so you may track them that way. If you still have a problem finding them I can try for you here. David On 09/12/2005, at 11:16 PM, Nick Murray wrote: > Hi Maksim, > > It indeed appears that this is the problem! Thank you! > > But I cannot find any suppliers of 12V 10-20mA bulbs anywhere in > Australia. > > Do you know of any other sellers in the US, UK (or anywhere else for > that matter). The two large suppliers here are Radio Spares and > Farnell. Both these have "bi pin" or "wire ended" 12V bulbs, but they > are rated at anything between 30 and 60 mA. > > If I can't find anything I'll just throw in a 480 Ohm resistor. > > thanks once more, > > Nick > > nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: >>> Nick >>> Hi Nick!Actually you have a very simple problem there.It appears >>> your "Stop"light(behind the stop button)is dead causing muting of >>> the playback signal.You can replace it with any tiny 12v 10-20mA >>> bulb.Quite an easy fix.Regards,Maksim >>> >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From andrew.spencer at manepa.com Mon Dec 12 12:14:00 2005 From: andrew.spencer at manepa.com (Andrew Spencer) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:14:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Connecting a Microphone to a Cassette Deck Message-ID: My Boss's son is a keen musician and is looking for a quality recording device to which he can attach a microphone. The Sony Professional Walkman springs to mind, however as an owner of four Nakamichi Cassette decks myself I wondered if it is possible to in some way connect a microphone to a Nakamichi Cassette deck? Regards. Andy Dublin Ireland -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1676 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dap at ihug.com.au Mon Dec 12 12:24:14 2005 From: dap at ihug.com.au (David Patterson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:24:14 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Repairs In South Australaia In-Reply-To: <200512121102.jBCB0KZW011492@zxe.naks.com> References: <200512121102.jBCB0KZW011492@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <439D5DDE.1070600@ihug.com.au> Hi Barry, I found it very difficult to get anyone to repair and service my Dragon in Melbourne until I came across... ZM Electronics 283 High Street Northcote VIC 3070 phone (03) 9482 2942 It's a guy named Zoran who I believe used to be the head tech at Tascam/TEAC. I originally went to him with a Tascam CD recorder. He was happy to take a look at the Dragon and give a quote. Obviously he's not a Nak specialist but he did a great job with mine at a very reasonable price. He might try to convince you that a Tascam 122mkII or 122mkIII is better and more reliable than a Nak. Cheers, David. > PLEASE, > > Can anyone help with a GOOD Nakamichi Cassette repair organisation > in South Australia. > I have three Nakamichi decks, and although they have given years of > trouble-free service, they are now getting tired. > I have had two of them repaired but after repair, the flutter is way > beyond what Nakamichi (and me) would consider to be acceptable. > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > Barry > > Ps If there are no good repairs in South Australia, names of (GOOD) > interstate repairers would help From butternu at sover.net Mon Dec 12 12:43:55 2005 From: butternu at sover.net (Tom Dodge) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:43:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: T-100 analyzer question Message-ID: <003501c5ff11$55eb2d50$8da772d8@tomna1na1779kz> Hi. It's been some time since I used my T-100 and I couldn't remember if this was normal operation. (manual doesn't say). When it is in the Level/THD distortion (either L or R) the meter level display(lower) max's out when there is no input to the T-100. When I am actually doing the measurement it seems fine.. thanks, tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 12 23:17:45 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:17:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule? Message-ID: <439DF709.2090007@bellsouth.net> "Dragons Rule" has just been released, as those of you who ordered a copy are just now receiving it know. This Nak marathon IIIa effort looks good enough for a Grammy nomination for best album of the year and one for Producer of the year (Kermit). What do you think? Atlanta Mike From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 13 02:55:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:55:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Connecting a Microphone to a Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439E2A29.5090200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Andy, Andrew Spencer wrote: > My Boss's son is a keen musician and is looking for a quality recording > device to which he can attach a microphone. > > The Sony Professional Walkman springs to mind, however as an owner of four > Nakamichi Cassette decks myself I wondered if it is possible to in some way > connect a microphone to a Nakamichi Cassette deck? > Yes, with a mixer (Yamaha, Spirit, Behringer, Mackie for cheap units, SSL, Allen and Heath, Altec, Fairchild, Westrex, and so on for expensive units, Shure, Toft for midrange units) or standalone mic amplifiers (ART, Presonus, FMR, dbx, Rolls or Bellari for cheap units; Universal Audio, Neve, Mercury, Earthworks, Grace, or KVG Labs for expensive units), assuming your Nak lacks mic inputs. IF your Nak has mic inputs, you've all you need. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Dec 13 05:21:36 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:21:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule? In-Reply-To: <439DF709.2090007@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Well, I'm waiting on mine! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 2:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule? "Dragons Rule" has just been released, as those of you who ordered a copy are just now receiving it know. This Nak marathon IIIa effort looks good enough for a Grammy nomination for best album of the year and one for Producer of the year (Kermit). What do you think? Atlanta Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 13 09:43:27 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:43:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <018e01c5ffc1$4a2c10a0$369387d9@oemcomputer> We used to have at least one Grammy Award winner on this list - Carlos Guzman. (I miss him.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 13 December 2005 04:22 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule? > > > > Well, I'm waiting on mine! > > Doane > > > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Dec 13 17:56:15 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:56:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plain old 1000 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051213115502.01b74610@psulias.psu.edu> We hear so much about the 1000ZXL, what about the plain old 1000? How does it rate in the Nak hierarchy? Also, anyone have any opinions of Sony ES decks? >---------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From douglas.young at charter.net Wed Dec 14 00:54:58 2005 From: douglas.young at charter.net (douglas.young at charter.net) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:54:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Message-ID: <4hc0eu$1g2pvhs@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? Doug From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Dec 14 09:12:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:12:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Message-ID: Hi Doug! The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of course...!)? Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his "Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his "Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a very fair price. Be patiently...till he will reply! Good luck! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:54:58 -0600 > >As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't play >at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather than have it >repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with adjustable azimuth so I >can maximize the playback quality of my existing tape collection, made on >different machines or commercially recorded. I don't know that I'll ever >mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? > >Doug >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lists at richardhess.com Wed Dec 14 10:36:49 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:36:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051214043452.0400bd98@richardhess.com> Hi, Alex, Douglas, I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now how would I know? Cheers, Richard At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >Hi Doug! > >The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell >(Depends..of course...!)? > >Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell >his "Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is >Derrick and lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very >heart fully I recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback >problems...with his "Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" >named "NAAC", also sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do >not sold, his unit I'm sure that will contact you...at least you >will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a very fair price. > Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From matyas at sonypro.ch Wed Dec 14 11:05:36 2005 From: matyas at sonypro.ch (matyas) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:05:36 +0100 Subject: [Naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 Message-ID: <200512141105.AA190906966@sonypro.ch> Hello, can any technicians there can give me some toughts about the Beocord 9000 azimuth calibration tape? (I have one) how does it compare to Nakamichi's ? Same accuracy? I imagine that any azimuth calibration tapes are identical, but maybe I am wrong... http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5320/beocord9000azimuth5wl.jpg http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beocord9000b.htm QUOTE from http://www.beocentral.com/products/cord9000 : Uniquely, the Beocord 9000 user was encouraged to adjust the head azimuth of the machine to match whatever tapes were being played. A hole by the cassette tray allowed access to the screw, which had a finer thread than was usual to aid accurate setting. A non-magnetic screwdriver was provided to make the adjustment (the same type that was included with pickups for tightening the fixing screws), as was an alignment tape, recorded on a top quality TDK MA-R cassette, so that the settings could be returned to their original position. Early versions of the alignment tape had a single 12.5KHz tone recorded on them, later ones had "white noise", as this was found easier to use. Thank you in advance. PS: Hello to old friends Graham Nelson & Khanan! Matyas ^^ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - --- [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] From wjw at warwick.net Wed Dec 14 11:39:23 2005 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:39:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback References: <4hc0eu$1g2pvhs@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <439FF65B.78F5D939@warwick.net> The Dragon & CR-7 have automatic playback azimuth adjustment. The Cassette Deck 1 (CD-1) & DR-1 have manual playback azimuth adjustment. I've listed the decks in order of preference (in my opinion) for performance and quality, and also in order (most probably) of expense. I bought a CD-1 on ebay a few years ago for about $200. I like it and it works very well. The DR series was Nakamichi's last series, and although I have a DR-10 and a DR-8 that work just fine, I think that they may be considered of 'lesser quality' in some ways than the older decks. For recording purposes, of the less expensive decks (keeping the Dragon and CR-7 at the top of my wish list), I like the CR-4 for it's nifty tape calibration feature. Some of the more experienced Nak lovers on the list may have some more knowledge/opinions on this. douglas.young at charter.net wrote: > As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? > > Doug > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From john_194600 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 15:45:49 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:45:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <4hc0eu$1g2pvhs@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20051214144549.55780.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> Doug, Welcome to the land of great analog music and Nakamichi tape decks. A few years ago I discovered Nakamichi decks and their great sound. Any Nakamichi that is in good calibration will sound fantastic, but for what you are looking for I think the Cassette Deck 1 would be ideal for your first machine. John --- douglas.young at charter.net wrote: > As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon > deck has died, won't play at all, play head and > pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather than have > it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with > adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback > quality of my existing tape collection, made on > different machines or commercially recorded. I > don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, > but I might. Any recommendations? > > Doug > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From douglas.young at charter.net Wed Dec 14 15:48:33 2005 From: douglas.young at charter.net (Douglas Young) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:48:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007801c600bd$76d6b7c0$6500a8c0@StudioPC> Thanks for your reply. You're right--the amount I'll spend depends on what I'm getting. I need a machine that won't require immediate servicing, includes a manual (or for which one can be had on-line), and has the azimuth control feature. Cosmetics are important too as this unit will be seen in the rack with everything else. I'm hoping some folks will chime in with units for sale--we'll see. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 02:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Hi Doug! The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of course...!)? Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his "Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his "Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a very fair price. Be patiently...till he will reply! Good luck! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:54:58 -0600 > >As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't >play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather >than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with >adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my >existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially >recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? > >Doug >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 14 16:56:02 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:56:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <439FF65B.78F5D939@warwick.net> References: <4hc0eu$1g2pvhs@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> <439FF65B.78F5D939@warwick.net> Message-ID: <43A04092.9040105@rcn.com> The CR-7 has a *manual* PB azimuth adjustment, not automatic. Even so, I feel that the CR-7 offers at least the same PB quality as the Dragon, at lower cost. -- Ron Bill Wheatley wrote: > The Dragon & CR-7 have automatic playback azimuth adjustment. The Cassette Deck 1 (CD-1) & DR-1 have manual playback azimuth adjustment. I've listed the decks in order of preference (in my opinion) for performance and quality, and also in order (most probably) of expense. > I bought a CD-1 on ebay a few years ago for about $200. I like it and it works very well. The DR series was Nakamichi's last series, and although I have a DR-10 and a DR-8 that work just fine, I think that they may be considered of 'lesser quality' in some ways than the older decks. > For recording purposes, of the less expensive decks (keeping the Dragon and CR-7 at the top of my wish list), I like the CR-4 for it's nifty tape calibration feature. > Some of the more experienced Nak lovers on the list may have some more knowledge/opinions on this. > > douglas.young at charter.net wrote: > > >>As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? >> >>Doug From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 17:19:33 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:19:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <43A04092.9040105@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051214161933.70120.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron only problm that I find with CR 7 is the Sankyo transport - with its unreliability and Dragon' superior transport - Dragon is not that expensive compared to CR 7. I like the CR7 record quality better as its automated calibration is a worthwhile facility. If you can afford keep both of them- go for it! Kannan Ron wrote: The CR-7 has a *manual* PB azimuth adjustment, not automatic. Even so, I feel that the CR-7 offers at least the same PB quality as the Dragon, at lower cost. -- Ron Bill Wheatley wrote: > The Dragon & CR-7 have automatic playback azimuth adjustment. The Cassette Deck 1 (CD-1) & DR-1 have manual playback azimuth adjustment. I've listed the decks in order of preference (in my opinion) for performance and quality, and also in order (most probably) of expense. > I bought a CD-1 on ebay a few years ago for about $200. I like it and it works very well. The DR series was Nakamichi's last series, and although I have a DR-10 and a DR-8 that work just fine, I think that they may be considered of 'lesser quality' in some ways than the older decks. > For recording purposes, of the less expensive decks (keeping the Dragon and CR-7 at the top of my wish list), I like the CR-4 for it's nifty tape calibration feature. > Some of the more experienced Nak lovers on the list may have some more knowledge/opinions on this. > > douglas.young at charter.net wrote: > > >>As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? >> >>Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Dec 14 16:49:43 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:49:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051214043452.0400bd98@richardhess.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051214043452.0400bd98@richardhess.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051214104420.01a97ef0@psulias.psu.edu> Yes it has, it's tucked safely away waiting for it's new owner. I've been looking for some bargain units to replace the Dragon on ebay. There were three 700 ZXLs on ebay, but in various states of disrepair but a low prices. Those things aren't easy to get parts for as I recall. Is it even possible to replace the ABLE mechanisms anymore? Any one have any opinions on the following... Yamaha K-1200 (dbx hxpro) Various Sony ES (Dolby S, hx pro) Luxman KX-102 Any real sleepers from Tandberg, Technichs, Teac or Onkyo? I have a couple CD burners, but frankly I enjoy making tapes more than CDs. What can I say? At 04:36 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >Hi, Alex, Douglas, > >I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now how >would I know? > > > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Doug! >> >>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of >>course...!)? >> >>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his >>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and >>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I >>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his >>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also >>sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm >>sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit >>at an a very fair price. > >Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Dec 14 17:04:52 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:04:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Message-ID: To my dear Rich! Pity...I hope that Derrick's found an a good home! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:36:49 -0500 > >Hi, Alex, Douglas, > >I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now how >would I know? > > > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Doug! >> >>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of >>course...!)? >> >>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his >>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and >>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I >>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his >>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also sounds >>superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm sure that >>will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a >>very fair price. >> > >Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 14 18:14:11 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:14:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <20051214161933.70120.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051214161933.70120.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43A052E3.2090107@rcn.com> Kannan, I know what you are saying about the Sankyo transport. I don't see it as 'unreliable', but as 'requires routine maintenance'. As long as you service it (clean and lubricate) once every year or two (maybe replace the belt every 5 years), it will continue to run for a long time. Especially, if you have the gear version. Since I do it myself (takes me less than an hour), I don't object too much. I wish it was this simple with my Toyota :-). -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron > only problm that I find with CR 7 is the Sankyo transport - with its > unreliability and Dragon' superior transport - Dragon is not that > expensive compared to CR 7. I like the CR7 record quality better as its > automated calibration is a worthwhile facility. > If you can afford keep both of them- go for it! > Kannan > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > The CR-7 has a *manual* PB azimuth adjustment, not > automatic. Even so, I feel that the CR-7 offers at > least the same PB quality as the Dragon, at lower > cost. > > -- Ron > > > > Bill Wheatley wrote: > > The Dragon & CR-7 have automatic playback azimuth adjustment. The > Cassette Deck 1 (CD-1) & DR-1 have manual playback azimuth > adjustment. I've listed the decks in order of preference (in my > opinion) for pe! rformance and quality, and also in order (most > probably) of expense. > > I bought a CD-1 on ebay a few years ago for about $200. I like it > and it works very well. The DR series was Nakamichi's last series, > and although I have a DR-10 and a DR-8 that work just fine, I think > that they may be considered of 'lesser quality' in some ways than > the older decks. > > For recording purposes, of the less expensive decks (keeping the > Dragon and CR-7 at the top of my wish list), I like the CR-4 for > it's nifty tape calibration feature. > > Some of the more experienced Nak lovers on the list may have some > more knowledge/opinions on this. > > > > douglas.young at charter.net wrote: > > > > > >>As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, > won't play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. > Rather than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with > adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my > existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially > recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I > might. Any recommendations? > >> > >>Doug From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 14 18:17:14 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <200512141105.AA190906966@sonypro.ch> References: <200512141105.AA190906966@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <43A0539A.3030605@rcn.com> Matyas, I am not familiar with this tape, but B&O is an excellent company that makes excellent products. I would be very saurprised if their tape wasn't as good as the Nak. -- Ron matyas wrote: > Hello, > > can any technicians there can give me some toughts about the Beocord > 9000 azimuth calibration tape? (I have one) > how does it compare to Nakamichi's ? > Same accuracy? I imagine that any azimuth calibration tapes are identical, but maybe I am wrong... > > > http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5320/beocord9000azimuth5wl.jpg > http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beocord9000b.htm > > QUOTE from http://www.beocentral.com/products/cord9000 : > > Uniquely, the Beocord 9000 user was encouraged to adjust the head azimuth of the machine to match whatever tapes were being played. A hole by the cassette tray allowed access to the screw, which had a finer thread than was usual to aid accurate setting. A non-magnetic screwdriver was provided to make the adjustment (the same type that was included with pickups for tightening the fixing screws), as was an alignment tape, recorded on a top quality TDK MA-R cassette, so that the settings could be returned to their original position. Early versions of the alignment tape had a single 12.5KHz tone recorded on them, later ones had "white noise", as this was found easier to use. > > Thank you in advance. > > PS: Hello to old friends Graham Nelson & Khanan! > Matyas ^^ > From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Dec 14 18:52:04 2005 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:52:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback References: <20051214161933.70120.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43A052E3.2090107@rcn.com> Message-ID: <019b01c600d7$17da9f10$6401a8c0@Rondo> Greetings one and all! I am fairly new to the list. I have had my CR-7A since new in '87. I got interested in this list when I started assembling an all Nakamichi system (including a CR-3A) for my second home just recently. The CR-7A does do auto azimuth on record set up only. The neat thing about the 7 is the azimuth can be controlled with the remote from your listening position. A question: My CR-7A went for service many years ago due to noise in the transport. They did a "sproket upgrade", or as you call it, a "gear version". I was under the impression this eliminates the belt. Am I mistaken? I have had zero trouble with the transport, going on now about 13 years. Enjoying the words of wisdom from all-thank you! Is there a picture gallery on www.naks.com ???? Ron in NM, US -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Kannan, I know what you are saying about the Sankyo transport. I don't see it as 'unreliable', but as 'requires routine maintenance'. As long as you service it (clean and lubricate) once every year or two (maybe replace the belt every 5 years), it will continue to run for a long time. Especially, if you have the gear version. Since I do it myself (takes me less than an hour), I don't object too much. I wish it was this simple with my Toyota :-). -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron > only problm that I find with CR 7 is the Sankyo transport - with its > unreliability and Dragon' superior transport - Dragon is not that > expensive compared to CR 7. I like the CR7 record quality better as its > automated calibration is a worthwhile facility. > If you can afford keep both of them- go for it! > Kannan > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > The CR-7 has a *manual* PB azimuth adjustment, not > automatic. Even so, I feel that the CR-7 offers at > least the same PB quality as the Dragon, at lower > cost. > > -- Ron > > > > Bill Wheatley wrote: > > The Dragon & CR-7 have automatic playback azimuth adjustment. The > Cassette Deck 1 (CD-1) & DR-1 have manual playback azimuth > adjustment. I've listed the decks in order of preference (in my > opinion) for pe! rformance and quality, and also in order (most > probably) of expense. > > I bought a CD-1 on ebay a few years ago for about $200. I like it > and it works very well. The DR series was Nakamichi's last series, > and although I have a DR-10 and a DR-8 that work just fine, I think > that they may be considered of 'lesser quality' in some ways than > the older decks. > > For recording purposes, of the less expensive decks (keeping the > Dragon and CR-7 at the top of my wish list), I like the CR-4 for > it's nifty tape calibration feature. > > Some of the more experienced Nak lovers on the list may have some > more knowledge/opinions on this. > > > > douglas.young at charter.net wrote: > > > > > >>As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, > won't play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. > Rather than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with > adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my > existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially > recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I > might. Any recommendations? > >> > >>Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Wed Dec 14 20:22:36 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:22:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051214125925.02298ae8@richardhess.com> Alex, I'm sorry, I was too obtuse. Yes, I'm getting it and going to be picking it up the week after New Year's as it was living quite close to my almost 90-year-old Dad. Cheers, Richard At 11:04 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >To my dear Rich! > >Pity...I hope that Derrick's found an a good home! > >Greetings, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "Richard L. Hess" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:36:49 -0500 >> >>Hi, Alex, Douglas, >> >>I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for >>....now how would I know? >> >> >> >>Cheers, >> >>Richard >> >>At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>Hi Doug! >>> >>>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell >>>(Depends..of course...!)? >>> >>>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to >>>sell his "Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name >>>is Derrick and lives in USA! As I also own today, the same >>>model...very heart fully I recommend you, as will "Solve"..all >>>your playback problems...with his "Unique" Automatic Playback >>>Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also sounds superbly...maybe >>>Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm sure that will >>>contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a >>>very fair price. >> >>Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >>Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >>Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Dec 14 20:32:52 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:52 -0600 Subject: [Naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <200512141105.AA190906966@sonypro.ch> References: <200512141105.AA190906966@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <43A07364.20506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Matyas, matyas wrote: > Hello, > > can any technicians there can give me some toughts about the Beocord 9000 azimuth calibration tape? (I have one) > how does it compare to Nakamichi's ? > Same accuracy? I imagine that any azimuth calibration tapes are identical, but maybe I am wrong... These tapes use two different approaches, and both are excellent, yet the Nakamichi is a bit more accurate. Because you have the Beocord 9000, you have the ideal tape for it, though. I have a Beocord 9000 too and its azimuth tape is fine for use with it. The 12.5 kc tape is more accurate than the white noise tape, even though the white noise tape is easier to use by ear. To get the most accuracy out of any azimuth tape you need an oscilloscope. > > > http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5320/beocord9000azimuth5wl.jpg > http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beocord9000b.htm > > QUOTE from http://www.beocentral.com/products/cord9000 : > > Uniquely, the Beocord 9000 user was encouraged to adjust the head azimuth of the machine to match whatever tapes were being played. A hole by the cassette tray allowed access to the screw, which had a finer thread than was usual to aid accurate setting. A non-magnetic screwdriver was provided to make the adjustment (the same type that was included with pickups for tightening the fixing screws), as was an alignment tape, recorded on a top quality TDK MA-R cassette, so that the settings could be returned to their original position. Early versions of the alignment tape had a single 12.5KHz tone recorded on them, later ones had "white noise", as this was found easier to use. > > Thank you in advance. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Dec 14 21:01:09 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 3 In-Reply-To: <200512102356.jBANu0oc010564@zxe.naks.com> References: <200512102356.jBANu0oc010564@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello Marc and Kermit Well your two quite amazing posts have left me feeling Im smelling of roses in my choice of the 481z to repair. I look forward to that big grin you spoke about Marc ...... listening to cd's much of the time whilst I have no tape player can be much fun but analogue is so much more relaxing. Both of you speak so eloquently of the 48 series as sonically and mechanically sound that my excitement at its imminent return from B & W has increased. Not only that but my wife has decided she is going to pay for the repair as my Christmass present, which is lovely. The detailed breakdown from Bower & Wilkins is as follows ....... remember I felt only the playback cams etc were sticky...... silly me. quoting a Mr Paul Wilkins: 'For the record, it needs the following: 2 Pressure Rollers 2 Guides 1 Idler Wheel 2 Reel Hubs 4 Belts 1 Reel Motor 1 Lamp 6 Capacitors 1 Capstan Motor 1 Eject Mod Kit All these parts are essential to make the deck work satisfactorily. There are no cosmetic parts, although the deck will be cleaned throughout and re-calibrated back to original specification.' This costs me 192 pounds sterling including carriage ....... say 12 pounds for carriage. However as Marc ses it will be a real grin to listen too ....... it was before it went ........ I kid you not it was almost alarming to listen to ancient but irreplaceable ( 70's tapes) on ...... so what will happen on its return......... oooh. Clearly brother Kermit who seems to have a tangible and profound knowledge of this whole area rates the 4 series well enough to own one too. For Information: I asked B&W about the brown circuit board lacquer causing shorts etc and Monsieur Wilkins said that this had been an issue for some decks they had worked on from warmer climates South Africa and Saudi Arabia for example but never had the UK climate caused tracking problems to occur over here such as you mention Marc. As hobbies go listening to music and lately creating it is such a deep joy that Im revisiting my second ever favourite book after some 30 years ......'Mysticism and Sound' by Hazrat Inayat Khan....... to relearn why sound and the form it takes in what we call music is SUCH a profound matter. Im no longer working for a theologian and ancient languages scholar whose speciality was Aramaic but via him I learnt that a useful translation of the opening words of genesis is ;;;; I paraphrase "in the beginning was the vibration, that was known everywhere......... " The vibration that permeated all of the cosmos ........ something this person rates highly! for vibration read music...... Many times when i listen to the creativity of musicians etc and happily when I now play and sing myself I am completely lost in a dynamic inner silence and unity........ my interest in good equipment (I used to have Quad ESL's and a Radford Valve set up which was so delicate it ached, as well as the robust Linn, Naim stuff I still use) is (apart from the joy of sharing music with friends) to visit that inner space. When I find myself alarmed by old (yes Marc and some new ones) tapes and recordings then I consider myself to be on beam. No other tape deck has ever done this for me except the Nakamichi's. Its possible other amplifiers than Naims could get me going ....... but I probably couldnt afford them! The Naims too are design from the 60's and 70's nothing swanky about 'em. Like my relatively plain wrapper 481z! The return of the ebay rescued Nak 481z will add to my greedy armoury of musical sources and Im grateful for your stories and encouragement. So for your edification thats update 3. If anyone wishes to assist me locating the real 481z manuals I'd be grateful ........ I wouldnt even know yet how to use the bias adjust knob ........ so I have someway to go yet! I still dont understand what the cd the 'Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule' is about either, even though I have seen the posts come and go for a while....... The machine should be back by Saturday ...... however we live in the sticks so couriers dont like to come here much ....... I hope this 'sharing' hasnt pushed anyones buttons peace ian Scotland 1. Re: A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 2 (Marc hugo) >From: "Marc hugo" >To: >Hi Ian, >You have to be passionate about cassette recording, the Nakamichi >sound (which is well exemplified by the wonderful 480 series) and >about analogue music. The sound of my 480Z is simply fantastic and >that is a 2 head dual cap transport with triple precision laminated >sendust-core heads and pad lifter. My other 2 Naks are big three >headers. SNIP >The money you are about to pay B & W is a lot, but you will get in >return a hardy cassette deck that is capable of jaw-dropping >performance for the next 10-20 years. What you will get for it on >e-bay is not relevant because its salebility has no bearing on its >value. After all, you can sell an iPod for, I don't know, >$200............ and sonically, its worth, at least to me, $10. Its >not a bushel of wheat on a commodities exchange, it has a value than >the broad masses don't care about, and actually never did. They >cared about convenience and they still do. Convenience means not >having to get off your butt more than absolutely necessary. And of >course how much hip-hop we can shoe-horn into 4 gig. >What have B & W done? They would be gald to answer that, but if >they are thorough, they would blow it out with compressed air, >replace all rubber parts, check and clean all switch gear contacts, >and service and clean all the motors, for reel table, capstans and >the cam-motor driven transport. They will lube the capstan >bearings, and all moving parts like door hinges. Then if they are >smart and know the Z models from the 480 range, they will carefully >remove the hardened brown glue where visible from the circuit >boards. This becomes problematic (conductive) with time and >interferes usually with the Dolby circuits. Then they will test key >components/semi-conductors throughout with appropriate equipment, >replacing any if defective. Then they will align the heads and test >them using the correct Nakamichi test tapes. Finally they will >internally calibrate for standardised tapes in each category, again >using proper calibration tapes. Obviously they will sort out lamps >etc ! that don't work (which matter on Naks) as they are invariably >linked to output. Then they will write out a large invoice. >"Pukka"/......."Amazing" decks (like CR-7, Dragons etc). Ian, they >are nice but I will be very frank - the 480 series in seriously >underestimated - in appearance and spec and vintage, it only "seems" >not to be a serious contender. But anyone who has seen its genuine >Nak mechanism (not the Sankyo mech of the CR series), picked one up, >or, most important, LISTENED to one will forever rate them in the >frontline of cassette decks. I would argue that the 480Z and LX-3 >are the two best 2-head decks ever made by any manufacturer. SNIP > >Enjoy your refurbished 481Z. She will bring you tremendous joy (and >one final though Ian - record!!!!! Yes, record you own new >compilation tapes. When you record on that deck, only then will you >discover the immense resolving power of those heads and why analogue >always has been the place to be). The only cost to you, apart from >some decent tapes, will be the silly, irremovable grin it brings to >your face. >Cheers - Marc >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Subject: Re: lx-5 cassette head calibration >Hey Felix, SNIP >I'm running a 500, two 550, 600, two 600-II (one needs work), a 481 >(needs repair) and a BX-2 (that's probably destined for the scrapheap -- >I'm weary of working on its shoddy idler roller mechanism and it dying again). SNIP >The 481's sound is excellent, but, to be honest, as time went by I think >Nakamichi lost their magic sound as they chased ever-more-intricate >automation and clever features. By the time of the Dragon, they'd lost >their unquestioned sonic supremacy and several other decks sounded as >good with better reliability. So, I bought a reliable Revox B710 instead >of the Dragon when the time came to buy a newer "superdeck." From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Dec 14 21:42:42 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:42:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Plain old 1000 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051213115502.01b74610@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051213115502.01b74610@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <43A083C2.4040503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > We hear so much about the 1000ZXL, what about the plain old 1000? > How does it rate in the Nak hierarchy? Hey, it's not a plain old anything. This is THE Nakamichi, the legend, the deck that started it all. No one had ever seen anything like it -- a cassette deck that outperformed all but the best reel-to-reels, a cassette with three heads, better than 20-20,000 cps response, dynamic range wider than LPs, and an amazing studio sound. You could tell people about the 1000 and they would laugh at you. No one could believe a cassette deck could do the things that the 1000 could. It wan't possible, was it? Well, when they'd hear the 1000, they would be speechless - and then decide that whatever else they did, they had to have one (and often ended up with a lower model. The running joke at the time was that the Nakamichi's model number was the price tag [in US dollars, during the 1970s]). In the USA, the 1000 was THE cassette deck to which all others were compared, and were judged wanting. The 1000 was the de facto standard for studio sound: in fact, your studio was judged by your Nakamichi. If you had a 1000, you'd arrived! If you had a 700, you were a very good studio, but not at the top. If you had a 600 or 500, well, at least you were professional and knew great sound! If you had a 550, then you wanted to make the best live tapes you could make from a battery powered recorder. All you had was a 350? Well at least you're trying and wouldn't tolerate bad sound. The Nakamichi 1000 was regarded as THE cassette deck that could make master cassettes so good that even high-speed dupes and bin dupes made from its tapes sounded great! At the time, if you couldn't say you'd heard, and used, a Nakamichi 1000 then no one took your advice seriously on what stereo gear to buy. You'd obviously not heard the best, was the thinking. The 1000 was so good that many USA stereo stores that WEREN'T Nakamichi dealers had a 1000 in their high-end demo room! (I also recall seeing Revox A77 decks sitting in the high-end demo room of stores that didn't sell Revox.) Sonically, all the 1000 series decks are equal. As time went by, Nakamichi kept adding features to keep the decks competitive. No other cassette deck ever bested the sound of the 1000 series, the original 1000 included -- even the newer Nakamichi decks couldn't beat its sound. I seldom ever use the term "best" to apply to anything, but the Nakamichi 1000 and its sucessors ARE the best cassette decks ever made. > Also, anyone have any opinions of Sony ES decks? Good decks but I think much better choices exist for the same costs. I've had bad experiences with Sony gear. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 14 21:59:41 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck Sales - MR-1, LX-5, CR1a, BX-100 GREAT PRICES! Personal Collect. Message-ID: Hey fellow nakamichi fans, I've just acquired a dragon from a friend of mine here in NY. Damn great machine. I am now offering my other decks for sale. Here goes the list and their descriptions. LX-5 - excellent condition with barely visible scratches on the top chassis. The faceplate is perfect. The cassette well light has been replaced along with ALL rubber belts and idler tire by the competent "Electronics Service Repair" shop in Ventura California. Also, the record,player heads, and transport speeds have been calibrated to original specs as they had the tapes and equipment necessary to do so. the heads have been demagged and cleaned with 99.953 pure anyhdrous alcohol from mgchemicals. I shipped it over there and the tech service cost me well over 180 dollars alone ( not including shipping). I've made 10 tapes on this using Maxell IIs's and its sound is PERFECT. I do mean that as the spatial perception from the stereo-imaging is as precise as when I first bought the deck back in 1987 from hi-end Harvey Electronics in New York at 830 dollars. I no longer have the sales receipt as I do not expect anyone to want it anyway. Maybe some. I dunno. Many Nak fans are truly crazy when it comes to nak memorabilia. BTW, deck is calibrated to use Maxell xlii-s or Maxell xlii regular for chrome (type II position), but other cassette will do as well just need to adjust the built-in bias setting. get an LX-5 manual. Sorry, threw that out a LONG time ago. Please feel free to ask questions. BTW, this unit is guaranteed not to be DOA. I am sorry as I do not have any pictures. KEPT IN NON-SMOKING HOUSEHOLD WITH NO CHILDREN NOR PETS. Sits nicely in my rack of Pass Labs amplification equipment that power Vandersteens. Beautiful. Deck is made in Japan of course. asking price: 190 dollars. plus shipping from 11224 (New York) MR-1 This deck was also bought in the 1988 from a friend of mine. one led bulb is faint on the right vu meter at position -6db. Does not affect the deck's performance whatsoever. I've made many tapes on this deck, too. The deck has been checked out by " Brooklyn House of Audio" and the deck does NOT need calibration or tweaks as it was done in shop with cerfited nak test tapes. Gear driven, silent transport, no need to worry about idler tire repair as this deck uses a gear for that operation. transport lubed, heads cleaned with pure anhydrous alcohol and demagged using handheld for maximum strength , pots cleaned, circuit boards dusted. PLUG AND PLAY. I attribute the excellent condition of the deck to my meticulous cariing for the deck over the years. It is secret that the MR-1 is probably one of the most beat-up Naks you can find on Ebay as they were intended for professional studio use , inevitably running up serious miles on the components and transport mechanisms over the years from constant use and abuse. Well, the one I have is in excellent HOUSEHOLD condition and never sat in a studio whatsoever. It has one fault - a faint led bulb on the right vumeter at -6b The deck has a few cosmetic scratches on the top of the unit. Other than that, the deck is in perfect operating condition and in very very good cosmetic condition. well enough to be displayed on an open rack - revealing its entire body. it uses 1/4 inch inputs - keep that in mind. rack handles and mounts are also included. faceplate is excellent. no scratches on the acryllic window of the cassette door. I do not need to give specs on this unit as they are all posted on MR-1. Boy is this a steal. believe me and others who saw this unit selling for 500 dollars on ebay. I'm pricing this thing to SELL immediately! as cliche as that sounds - it's true. I am ridding many of my Naks. and this is one to grab while its available. Made in Japan. asking price: 150 dollars plus shipping. Bx-100 Ehhh.. honestly, nothing special to me. But, it's a deserving deck at a deserving price even when it was new in the '80s. Idler tire has been replaced and upgraded using tire from ESLABS.com. and everything that needed to be lubed has been done. Calibration was not necessary as it is in the same position as it was when new. ALL buttons and functions work PERFECT. Made many tapes on this as well with MAXELL XLII-s using chrome positioning. I love those tapes. Anyone else out there feel that same for them? I'd love to hear your opinion on those tapes. Dolby NR is great too, which is quite amazing on a deck at such a basement bargain price compared to its bigger and more expensive brothers. All I am sayin is that the DOLBY C is remarkable for its price, which leaves me to say that usually bargain decks do NOT have usable DOlby. Using Dolby on this deck is clear, and open.NOT MUFFLED!. Well specs are on the Naks.com. Cosmetics : Deck has a very small dent on the back corner of the chassis cover. Other than that - Faceplate is perfect, cassette well window perfect, no sticky buttons. all lights work perfect. plays and records perfectly. Made in Japan 35 dollars plus shipping CR1A This is basically a newer-modelled version of the bx-100 made in the early '90s only. There is one notable upgrade in particular worth mentioning and that is it uses a gear in place of the tire idler system which was used on bx models. So,. that's a plus. All belts, motors, transport, heads, pinch rollers, etc. are in PERFECT CONDITION. What is nice about this deck to me visually is that Nakamichi moved away from red - colored leds and used green as a replacement. Very nice touch. Reminds me of green tea somewhat. Anyhow, there is a cassette well led in green as well so you can view how much tape has spun - it is very clear. heads DO NOT NEED CALIBRATION. DO NOT TOUCH IT. IT IS AS IS WHEN BOUGHT FACTORY FRESH. THese things do not move by themselves if left untouch. That's contrary to other experts who will have you believing that these things move by themselves. So, don't touch the head screws as it is already in factory-set position. I KNOW. I've made Many tapes on this deck, too. I give all my decks the same caliber of care and attention, never causing jealousy. haha. okay that was corny . I apologize. You get my drift. Demagged and cleaned with pure anyhdrous alcohol on the heads and rubber renue on the pinch rollers and belts (only 2 belts in this unit). A MATTER OF FACT ALL THE DECKS THAT I AM SELLING HAVE "RUBBER RENUE" CHEMICAL made by MG CHEMICALS to Preserve and ENHANCE THE LIFESPAN OF ALL RUBBER. It is a great product. You can get a bottle for yourself at web-etronics.com. Not expensive at all and will prove to be a very very very useful tool for cassette deck aficionados. Alright, enough talk. asking price : 40 dollars plus shipping. Please feel free to contact me for more information and shipping procedures. Pricing is negotiable, so please contact me for that, too. I will let everyone know daily of what is still available and what's still selling. I will personally call you upon your request to finalize a deal and for re-assurance of trust. ONLY U.S. I am sorry as I cannot deal with international regions as I have no way of tracking the information, rendering it unsafe for me and the buying party. So please, only U.S. Buyers. ETC. I am not a business and I am only selling from my personal collection. Shipping quotes are exactly what is charged to your area. I am in Brooklyn, NY 11224. Estimate it for yourself and contact me. and I will get the exact quote for you. I will only ship UPS. I cannot trust USPS anymore. They broke a 700 dollar reel-to-reel akai I had coming to me. Some shipping employees are so irresponsible, especially USPS more so that other shipping companies. I take paypal, money order. Please let me know what you choose. Thank you fellow Nakamichi Fans and your support, Felix Yeung Contact: felixyeung70 at hotmail.com Contact: 718-946-3861 From britri at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 22:23:04 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:23:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] hi end seller in NM In-Reply-To: <43A04092.9040105@rcn.com> References: <4hc0eu$1g2pvhs@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> <439FF65B.78F5D939@warwick.net> <43A04092.9040105@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43A08D38.50005@comcast.net> Nice stuff from NM. Is this gear from Stephen? Maybe!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5841930605&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 Merrychristmas, Brien From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 22:43:43 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:43:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Gear Upgrade Message-ID: <001c01c600f7$769fe3f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ron, The gear upgrade replaces the hub sprocket drive with a set of gears so it does not suffer from the need for periodic replacement of the original small rubber idler wheel. That idler wheel is removed entirely by the upgrade. The gears are located behind the black metal plate at the rear of the cassette compartment. Robert Kent >Ron in NM, US wrote: >A question: My CR-7A went for service many years ago due to noise in the transport. They did a >"sproket upgrade", or as you call it, a "gear version". I was under the impression this eliminates the >belt. Am I mistaken? I have had zero trouble with the transport, going on now about 13 years. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matyas at sonypro.ch Wed Dec 14 23:07:21 2005 From: matyas at sonypro.ch (matyas) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:07:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 Message-ID: <200512142307.AA276103808@sonypro.ch> Re: [naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 Hi Ron & Kermit ! Thanks for your quick replies. I don't have the Beocord 9000, but just it's Azimuth tape. A sort of legacy from the repair center I used to work. I am an happy owner of the Dragon, 680ZX, 582, LX3, NR200... But my favorite is my Nakamichi 700II ! I was on this list around 1999 - 2000... Now analogue tape for me is a happy but distant rememberance. still .. that bloody 1000ZXL LTD on the "old toys" section of eBay drives me crazy but I will not bid. (not so crazy.. huh? )^^ To stay on the azimuth topic, you have pretty well answered my question I think. by all means, I havn't access to Nakamichi Azimuth tapes, so I just wanted to know if I could trust B&O. Thank you again. Regards, Matyas ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kermit V. Gray" Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:52 -0600 >Hi Matyas, > > > >matyas wrote: >> Hello, >> >> can any technicians there can give me some toughts about the Beocord 9000 azimuth calibration tape? (I have one) >> how does it compare to Nakamichi's ? >> Same accuracy? I imagine that any azimuth calibration tapes are identical, but maybe I am wrong... > > >These tapes use two different approaches, and both are excellent, yet >the Nakamichi is a bit more accurate. > >Because you have the Beocord 9000, you have the ideal tape for it, >though. I have a Beocord 9000 too and its azimuth tape is fine for use >with it. > >The 12.5 kc tape is more accurate than the white noise tape, even though >the white noise tape is easier to use by ear. > >To get the most accuracy out of any azimuth tape you need an oscilloscope. > >> >> >> http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5320/beocord9000azimuth5wl.jpg >> http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beocord9000b.htm >> >> QUOTE from http://www.beocentral.com/products/cord9000 : >> >> Uniquely, the Beocord 9000 user was encouraged to adjust the head azimuth of the machine to match whatever tapes were being played. A hole by the cassette tray allowed access to the screw, which had a finer thread than was usual to aid accurate setting. A non-magnetic screwdriver was provided to make the adjustment (the same type that was included with pickups for tightening the fixing screws), as was an alignment tape, recorded on a top quality TDK MA-R cassette, so that the settings could be returned to their original position. Early versions of the alignment tape had a single 12.5KHz tone recorded on them, later ones had "white noise", as this was found easier to use. >> >> Thank you in advance. >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - --- [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] From matyas at bluewin.ch Wed Dec 14 23:38:48 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:38:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] hi end seller in NM Message-ID: <43A09EF8.3060709@bluewin.ch> From matyas at bluewin.ch Wed Dec 14 23:53:05 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RARE: Nakamichi TX 1000 Message-ID: <43A0A251.9030109@bluewin.ch> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 15 00:23:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:23:06 -0000 Subject: [Naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <200512141105.AA190906966@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <001c01c60105$56a29e40$46ba87d9@oemcomputer> Hi buddy! Good to hear from you. Long time no hear - where've you been?? Picking up more Nak' bargains in the local thrift shops?? Gra' > > > PS: Hello to old friends Graham Nelson & Khanan! > Matyas ^^ > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 15 00:23:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:23:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c60105$57e92800$46ba87d9@oemcomputer> Well, the home can't get any better than Richard's ... <> He'll love it AND use it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 14 December 2005 16:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > > > To my dear Rich! > > Pity...I hope that Derrick's found an a good home! > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Richard L. Hess" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:36:49 -0500 > > > >Hi, Alex, Douglas, > > > >I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for > ....now how > >would I know? > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Richard > > > >At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: > >>Hi Doug! > >> > >>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of > >>course...!)? > >> > >>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his > >>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and > >>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I > >>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his > >>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", > also sounds > >>superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm > sure that > >>will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a > >>very fair price. > >> > > > >Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com > >Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > >Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX > >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Dec 15 00:29:36 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:29:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth calibration tape: Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <200512142307.AA276103808@sonypro.ch> References: <200512142307.AA276103808@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <43A0AAE0.5010208@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Matyas, Sorry, I thought you had the Beocord. You don't. Good! The B&O azimuth tape will do you just finne for aligning your various naks' azimuth. *IF* you do not have any test gear, I'd recommend you pick up a decent but cheap oscilloscope. Even a single-trace 10 MHz bandwidth scope is fine. I have a BK Precision 2120 I bought many years ago for $375.00 (on closeout sale). If you do not want to hassle with an oscilloscope, then find an audio voltmeter. The meter MUST be able to read True RMS AC volts. Beware of the cheapie meters sold on eBay or on electronic surplus stores via Internet. The meter may claim to measure RMS AC Volts but often don't do so accurately enough for something as touchy as azimuth. By the way, my really old Hewlett-Packard 400L that I've had for thirty-two years has served me just fine, even for adjusting azimuth. H-P 400 series meters show up on eBay often. Next, make some RCA-to-BNC or RCA-to-banana plug adapter cables for convenience. With a meter you, may have to add a shunt resistor. I added a 560-ohm shunt resistor to use with the old H-P 400L. But most of all, enjoy the music!! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Thu Dec 15 03:06:39 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:06:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Warm analog thoughts In-Reply-To: <200512102355.jBANsoPq010549@zxe.naks.com> References: <200512102355.jBANsoPq010549@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7E9ECF4D-7FFE-4C3D-BDCF-531BC1454293@mac.com> I thought some of you might enjoy this little appreciation of analog tape from a small, indie rock band---not the source you'd usually expect to have this enlightened attitude. Make sure you get the whole long URL. http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=5537430&blogID=14826374 cheers, Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 05:08:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:08:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Message-ID: Hi Derrick & Rich! You Rich wrote: I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now how would I know? You Derrick wrote! Yes it has, it's tucked safely away waiting for it's new owner. Sorry to both of you, BUT...my English language, is NOT SO rich...so, I can't comprehend if WAS or WAS NOT sold??? Can you; my dear Derrick explain me much more easy, what really happen to your & lovely upkeep Dragon...is waiting "packaged"...for the new buyer, or to "THE NEW buyer; which yet did not appear to take the Dragon home? Thank so much Derrick for your good will explaining me what really happen? Best wishes to both of you ever!!! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:49:43 -0500 > >Yes it has, it's tucked safely away waiting for it's new owner. > >I've been looking for some bargain units to replace the Dragon on ebay. >There were three 700 ZXLs on ebay, but in various states of disrepair but a >low prices. Those things aren't easy to get parts for as I recall. Is it >even possible to replace the ABLE mechanisms anymore? > >Any one have any opinions on the following... >Yamaha K-1200 (dbx hxpro) >Various Sony ES (Dolby S, hx pro) >Luxman KX-102 > >Any real sleepers from Tandberg, Technichs, Teac or Onkyo? > >I have a couple CD burners, but frankly I enjoy making tapes more than CDs. > What can I say? > >At 04:36 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>Hi, Alex, Douglas, >> >>I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now how >>would I know? >> >> >> >>Cheers, >> >>Richard >> >>At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>Hi Doug! >>> >>>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of >>>course...!)? >>> >>>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his >>>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and >>>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I >>>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his >>>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also >>>sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm >>>sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit >>>at an a very fair price. >> >>Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >>Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >>Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 05:16:10 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:16:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Message-ID: My lovely Rich! Amazing...I start out reading my mails from the oldest to the newest, and I already reply to you & Derrick..SO...you are the newer owner...Rich...you are really a clever gentleman...selecting such so well cared Dragon...for your collection,...ENJOYED!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:22:36 -0500 > >Alex, > >I'm sorry, I was too obtuse. Yes, I'm getting it and going to be picking it >up the week after New Year's as it was living quite close to my almost >90-year-old Dad. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 11:04 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>To my dear Rich! >> >>Pity...I hope that Derrick's found an a good home! >> >>Greetings, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Richard L. Hess" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >>>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:36:49 -0500 >>> >>>Hi, Alex, Douglas, >>> >>>I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now >>>how would I know? >>> >>> >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Richard >>> >>>At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>>Hi Doug! >>>> >>>>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of >>>>course...!)? >>>> >>>>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his >>>>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and >>>>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I >>>>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his >>>>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also >>>>sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm >>>>sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING >>>>unit at an a very fair price. >>> >>>Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >>>Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >>>Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >>>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 05:28:09 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:28:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] hi end seller in NM Message-ID: Folks! Really an a good one...I hear a decade ago this deck...superbly sound & reliability...to my knowledge..TODAY the factory DO NOT EXIST anymore! What happen when goes wrong...an a good question??? Greetings, ALEX! >From: Brien Stocker >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] hi end seller in NM >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:23:04 -0800 > >Nice stuff from NM. Is this gear from Stephen? Maybe!!!! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5841930605&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > >Merrychristmas, > >Brien >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Dec 15 08:05:27 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:05:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 3 Message-ID: Great Post Ian!! Music touches us in amazing ways - I would hazard a guess that it has the potential to stimulate the pleasure centres in the hypothalamus. I wonder.... Thanks for the latest update - picking up the account is jolly decent of your wife!! And Ian, you are right about hot climates like South Africa - I'm in the heart, or alternatively, the hypothalamus of RSA - Bloemfontein. It was 34 degress C yesterday in the shade, if you can find some. Cheers - Marc >>> earthrite at gn.apc.org 12/14/2005 10:01:09 PM >>> Hello Marc and Kermit Well your two quite amazing posts have left me feeling Im smelling of roses in my choice of the 481z to repair. I look forward to that big grin you spoke about Marc ...... listening to cd's much of the time whilst I have no tape player can be much fun but analogue is so much more relaxing. Both of you speak so eloquently of the 48 series as sonically and mechanically sound that my excitement at its imminent return from B & W has increased. Not only that but my wife has decided she is going to pay for the repair as my Christmass present, which is lovely. The detailed breakdown from Bower & Wilkins is as follows ....... remember I felt only the playback cams etc were sticky...... silly me. quoting a Mr Paul Wilkins: 'For the record, it needs the following: 2 Pressure Rollers 2 Guides 1 Idler Wheel 2 Reel Hubs 4 Belts 1 Reel Motor 1 Lamp 6 Capacitors 1 Capstan Motor 1 Eject Mod Kit All these parts are essential to make the deck work satisfactorily. There are no cosmetic parts, although the deck will be cleaned throughout and re-calibrated back to original specification.' This costs me 192 pounds sterling including carriage ....... say 12 pounds for carriage. However as Marc ses it will be a real grin to listen too ....... it was before it went ........ I kid you not it was almost alarming to listen to ancient but irreplaceable ( 70's tapes) on ...... so what will happen on its return......... oooh. Clearly brother Kermit who seems to have a tangible and profound knowledge of this whole area rates the 4 series well enough to own one too. For Information: I asked B&W about the brown circuit board lacquer causing shorts etc and Monsieur Wilkins said that this had been an issue for some decks they had worked on from warmer climates South Africa and Saudi Arabia for example but never had the UK climate caused tracking problems to occur over here such as you mention Marc. As hobbies go listening to music and lately creating it is such a deep joy that Im revisiting my second ever favourite book after some 30 years ......'Mysticism and Sound' by Hazrat Inayat Khan....... to relearn why sound and the form it takes in what we call music is SUCH a profound matter. Im no longer working for a theologian and ancient languages scholar whose speciality was Aramaic but via him I learnt that a useful translation of the opening words of genesis is ;;;; I paraphrase "in the beginning was the vibration, that was known everywhere......... " The vibration that permeated all of the cosmos ........ something this person rates highly! for vibration read music...... Many times when i listen to the creativity of musicians etc and happily when I now play and sing myself I am completely lost in a dynamic inner silence and unity........ my interest in good equipment (I used to have Quad ESL's and a Radford Valve set up which was so delicate it ached, as well as the robust Linn, Naim stuff I still use) is (apart from the joy of sharing music with friends) to visit that inner space. When I find myself alarmed by old (yes Marc and some new ones) tapes and recordings then I consider myself to be on beam. No other tape deck has ever done this for me except the Nakamichi's. Its possible other amplifiers than Naims could get me going ....... but I probably couldnt afford them! The Naims too are design from the 60's and 70's nothing swanky about 'em. Like my relatively plain wrapper 481z! The return of the ebay rescued Nak 481z will add to my greedy armoury of musical sources and Im grateful for your stories and encouragement. So for your edification thats update 3. If anyone wishes to assist me locating the real 481z manuals I'd be grateful ........ I wouldnt even know yet how to use the bias adjust knob ........ so I have someway to go yet! I still dont understand what the cd the 'Grammy nominations for Dragons Rule' is about either, even though I have seen the posts come and go for a while....... The machine should be back by Saturday ...... however we live in the sticks so couriers dont like to come here much ....... I hope this 'sharing' hasnt pushed anyones buttons peace ian Scotland 1. Re: A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 2 (Marc hugo) >From: "Marc hugo" >To: >Hi Ian, >You have to be passionate about cassette recording, the Nakamichi >sound (which is well exemplified by the wonderful 480 series) and >about analogue music. The sound of my 480Z is simply fantastic and >that is a 2 head dual cap transport with triple precision laminated >sendust-core heads and pad lifter. My other 2 Naks are big three >headers. SNIP >The money you are about to pay B & W is a lot, but you will get in >return a hardy cassette deck that is capable of jaw-dropping >performance for the next 10-20 years. What you will get for it on >e-bay is not relevant because its salebility has no bearing on its >value. After all, you can sell an iPod for, I don't know, >$200............ and sonically, its worth, at least to me, $10. Its >not a bushel of wheat on a commodities exchange, it has a value than >the broad masses don't care about, and actually never did. They >cared about convenience and they still do. Convenience means not >having to get off your butt more than absolutely necessary. And of >course how much hip-hop we can shoe-horn into 4 gig. >What have B & W done? They would be gald to answer that, but if >they are thorough, they would blow it out with compressed air, >replace all rubber parts, check and clean all switch gear contacts, >and service and clean all the motors, for reel table, capstans and >the cam-motor driven transport. They will lube the capstan >bearings, and all moving parts like door hinges. Then if they are >smart and know the Z models from the 480 range, they will carefully >remove the hardened brown glue where visible from the circuit >boards. This becomes problematic (conductive) with time and >interferes usually with the Dolby circuits. Then they will test key >components/semi-conductors throughout with appropriate equipment, >replacing any if defective. Then they will align the heads and test >them using the correct Nakamichi test tapes. Finally they will >internally calibrate for standardised tapes in each category, again >using proper calibration tapes. Obviously they will sort out lamps >etc ! that don't work (which matter on Naks) as they are invariably >linked to output. Then they will write out a large invoice. >"Pukka"/......."Amazing" decks (like CR-7, Dragons etc). Ian, they >are nice but I will be very frank - the 480 series in seriously >underestimated - in appearance and spec and vintage, it only "seems" >not to be a serious contender. But anyone who has seen its genuine >Nak mechanism (not the Sankyo mech of the CR series), picked one up, >or, most important, LISTENED to one will forever rate them in the >frontline of cassette decks. I would argue that the 480Z and LX-3 >are the two best 2-head decks ever made by any manufacturer. SNIP > >Enjoy your refurbished 481Z. She will bring you tremendous joy (and >one final though Ian - record!!!!! Yes, record you own new >compilation tapes. When you record on that deck, only then will you >discover the immense resolving power of those heads and why analogue >always has been the place to be). The only cost to you, apart from >some decent tapes, will be the silly, irremovable grin it brings to >your face. >Cheers - Marc >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Subject: Re: lx-5 cassette head calibration >Hey Felix, SNIP >I'm running a 500, two 550, 600, two 600-II (one needs work), a 481 >(needs repair) and a BX-2 (that's probably destined for the scrapheap -- >I'm weary of working on its shoddy idler roller mechanism and it dying again). SNIP >The 481's sound is excellent, but, to be honest, as time went by I think >Nakamichi lost their magic sound as they chased ever-more-intricate >automation and clever features. By the time of the Dragon, they'd lost >their unquestioned sonic supremacy and several other decks sounded as >good with better reliability. So, I bought a reliable Revox B710 instead >of the Dragon when the time came to buy a newer "superdeck." ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From ifrozeup at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 08:32:00 2005 From: ifrozeup at earthlink.net (Tona Ciofalo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:32:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts Message-ID: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi dudes, so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any hope...? anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much Tona From enoyes at snet.net Thu Dec 15 13:12:18 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:12:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts In-Reply-To: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43A15DA2.2040508@snet.net> All you probably need to do is pull all the boards, clean the edge connectors and re-install. That should fix the oscillation problems and put you in a position to properly calibrate this deck. Ed Tona Ciofalo wrote: >Hi dudes, > >so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any hop! > e...? > >anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much >Tona >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Dec 15 14:29:28 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:29:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts In-Reply-To: <43A15DA2.2040508@snet.net> References: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43A15DA2.2040508@snet.net> Message-ID: <43A16FB8.1000606@rcn.com> Also. since it plays fine in one spot on the eq. button, try to spray some contact cleaner into the switch while working it in and out. -- Ron Edward Noyes wrote: > All you probably need to do is pull all the boards, clean the edge > connectors and re-install. That should fix the oscillation problems and > put you in a position to properly calibrate this deck. Ed > > Tona Ciofalo wrote: > >> Hi dudes, >> >> so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a >> ferric tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in >> chrome.. so im re callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in >> ferric (with a tdk d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass >> sound in the back and the VU meters seizure or just blow all the way >> to the top. I tried demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being >> the idiot that I am I left the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I >> was supposed to put em down to zero I think (have I just murdered my >> deck?) but this was post- crazy bass noise... the weird thing is it >> sounds perfect if you press the eq button 3/4th the way down and just >> hold it there... any of you epic gurus have any ideas on how to >> proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the bias, level and >> im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock because the vu >> meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any ideas? >> pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any ho! > > p! > >> e...? >> >> anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much >> Tona >> From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Dec 15 09:44:48 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:44:48 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. Message-ID: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Hi all, Just catching up on my backlog of naktalks.... Derrick, Never been fortunate enough to see or hear a 1000ZXL, but I have some familiarity with the earlier 1000's... I fully bow to Kermit.. totally awesome. The 1000 I was most familar with was owned by a Recording Engineer ( EMI studios, Miramar, Wgtn, NZ), and it was plumbed into a Nakamichi System One playing through some JBL studio monitors... the sound?... on hearing music through this system..made my hair stand on end.. at least when I had some!. and totally to blame for starting my subsequent obsession with Naks some 25 years ago! I will get one, one day when the pennies allow! (For interest, the source was always LP, being pre CD, and was a Garrard 301/SME3012/ Shure V15... the records of course were always plain labelled first pressings and a bit heavier than the commercial stuff supplied to the shops!, tapes were TDK SA) My question: which would be preferred, the orginal 1000, or 1000/II??..I lean towards the latter, but would value expert opinion. WRT the Sony ES decks.. I don't like them personally.. dull sounding machines, much like the rest of Sony's audio gear.... my humble one eyed personal opinion. On the subject of other decks.. there are some pretty useful machines from other companies that can be obtained for beer money. I've always had a soft spot for Technics decks as they offered good sound and reliability for a good price. I still have and operate an RS-B100 and RS-B55. Tandberg 440's are nice, and there is the TEAC Z series, however both of which require brewery money.. not beer.. and so can set you back more than a comparable Nak, at least in this part of the world!.. Onkyo's never seemed to sound quite right to me, and I never warmed to Yamaha's or Luxman's either. I would also rate serious Akai's high on my list, though I don't own any at the moment. Two other decks I retain and use, because they are not put to shame in Nak company are : Aiwa F770 ( impressive metering, reliable, and the auto cal always seems to come up with the sonic goods), and a Hitachi D980.. (my first serious 3 head deck.. we go back a long way.. now a bit cantankerous, but I keep her for sentimental reasons, and she does still record a good tape!) Kannan, I am puzzled by your ( bad?) experiences with the later Sankyo transport decks. Apart from the inevitable idler issue, my BX's give me the least problems. My BX300 lasted 15 years before the tyre needed replacement ( now fitted with an ESL tyre.. so that should last a while :o) ), and my CR5 is still going on it's original. Could be because they are a lot younger , but have never had any electronic isssues either. I find the classic nak transport a bit cranky if not regularly turned over. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Dec 15 10:46:39 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:46:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Warm analog thoughts Message-ID: Hi Fred, I can't get that site as it's listed as Chat - would you be able to copy it and sent to my address at mhugo at sunint.co.za I would appreciate that!! Thanks - Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 12/15/2005 4:06:39 AM >>> I thought some of you might enjoy this little appreciation of analog tape from a small, indie rock band---not the source you'd usually expect to have this enlightened attitude. Make sure you get the whole long URL. http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=5537430&blogID=14826374 cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Dec 15 15:21:25 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:21:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051215091520.01b26a18@psulias.psu.edu> Richard contacted me very shortly after I posted the Dragon for sale and he agreed to send payment immediately as long as I packed the Dragon up and didn't use it anymore, which is a perfectly reasonable request. I have it packed and stored for Richard to pick up when he comes through the area next month. My mechanic is getting richer, and my 70 Trans Am is almost done, and Richard will have another Dragon. Everything is running smoothly. :) Probably the easiest on-line transaction I've ever had. Richard also seems to be trying to corner the market on Dragons. He's got quite a set up. >Can you; my dear Derrick explain me much more easy, what really happen to >your & lovely upkeep Dragon...is waiting "packaged"...for the new buyer, >or to "THE NEW buyer; which yet did not appear to take the Dragon home? > >Thank so much Derrick for your good will explaining me what really happen? > >Best wishes to both of you ever!!! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Derrick Beckner >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:49:43 -0500 >> >>Yes it has, it's tucked safely away waiting for it's new owner. >> >>I've been looking for some bargain units to replace the Dragon on ebay. >>There were three 700 ZXLs on ebay, but in various states of disrepair but >>a low prices. Those things aren't easy to get parts for as I recall. Is >>it even possible to replace the ABLE mechanisms anymore? >> >>Any one have any opinions on the following... >>Yamaha K-1200 (dbx hxpro) >>Various Sony ES (Dolby S, hx pro) >>Luxman KX-102 >> >>Any real sleepers from Tandberg, Technichs, Teac or Onkyo? >> >>I have a couple CD burners, but frankly I enjoy making tapes more than >>CDs. What can I say? >> >>At 04:36 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>Hi, Alex, Douglas, >>> >>>I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now >>>how would I know? >>> >>> >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Richard >>> >>>At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>>Hi Doug! >>>> >>>>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of >>>>course...!)? >>>> >>>>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his >>>>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and >>>>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I >>>>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his >>>>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also >>>>sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm >>>>sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING >>>>unit at an a very fair price. >>> >>>Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >>>Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >>>Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >>>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>Derrick Beckner >>Mapping Specialist >>Map Library Supervisor >>Penn State University >>1 Paterno Library >>University Park, PA 16802 >>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>814-863-5753 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From extendtech at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 16:34:47 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:34:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Warm analog thoughts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The link has a space in it between the ? and the f. try this... http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=5537430&blogID=14826374 Ken >From: "Marc hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Warm analog thoughts >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:46:39 +0200 > >Hi Fred, > >I can't get that site as it's listed as Chat - would you be able to copy it >and sent to my address at mhugo at sunint.co.za > >I would appreciate that!! > >Thanks - Marc > > >>> flifton at mac.com 12/15/2005 4:06:39 AM >>> >I thought some of you might enjoy this little appreciation of analog >tape from a small, indie rock band---not the source you'd usually >expect to have this enlightened attitude. Make sure you get the whole >long URL. > >http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm? >fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=5537430&blogID=14826374 > >cheers, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From extendtech at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 16:43:40 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:43:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: Martin... It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a 1000ZXL - apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may have since been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to Vancouver - it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. Ken >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:44:48 +1300 > >Hi all, > >Just catching up on my backlog of naktalks.... > >Derrick, > >Never been fortunate enough to see or hear a 1000ZXL, but I have some >familiarity with the earlier 1000's... I fully bow to Kermit.. totally >awesome. The 1000 I was most familar with was owned by a Recording Engineer >( EMI studios, Miramar, Wgtn, NZ), and it was plumbed into a Nakamichi >System One playing through some JBL studio monitors... the sound?... on >hearing music through this system..made my hair stand on end.. at least >when I had some!. and totally to blame for starting my subsequent obsession >with Naks some 25 years ago! I will get one, one day when the pennies >allow! >(For interest, the source was always LP, being pre CD, and was a Garrard >301/SME3012/ Shure V15... the records of course were always plain labelled >first pressings and a bit heavier than the commercial stuff supplied to the >shops!, tapes were TDK SA) > >My question: which would be preferred, the orginal 1000, or 1000/II??..I >lean towards the latter, but would value expert opinion. > >WRT the Sony ES decks.. I don't like them personally.. dull sounding >machines, much like the rest of Sony's audio gear.... my humble one eyed >personal opinion. > >On the subject of other decks.. there are some pretty useful machines from >other companies that can be obtained for beer money. I've always had a soft >spot for Technics decks as they offered good sound and reliability for a >good price. I still have and operate an RS-B100 and RS-B55. Tandberg 440's >are nice, and there is the TEAC Z series, however both of which require >brewery money.. not beer.. and so can set you back more than a comparable >Nak, at least in this part of the world!.. Onkyo's never seemed to sound >quite right to me, and I never warmed to Yamaha's or Luxman's either. I >would also rate serious Akai's high on my list, though I don't own any at >the moment. Two other decks I retain and use, because they are not put to >shame in Nak company are : Aiwa F770 ( impressive metering, reliable, and >the auto cal always seems to come up with the sonic goods), and a Hitachi >D980.. (my first serious 3 head deck.. we go back a long way.. now a bit >cantankerous, but I keep her for sentimental reasons, and she does still >record a good tape!) > >Kannan, > >I am puzzled by your ( bad?) experiences with the later Sankyo transport >decks. Apart from the inevitable idler issue, my BX's give me the least >problems. My BX300 lasted 15 years before the tyre needed replacement ( now >fitted with an ESL tyre.. so that should last a while :o) ), and my CR5 >is still going on it's original. Could be because they are a lot younger , >but have never had any electronic isssues either. I find the classic nak >transport a bit cranky if not regularly turned over. > >cheers, > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 17:07:31 2005 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:07:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts In-Reply-To: <43A16FB8.1000606@rcn.com> Message-ID: Clean all the switches and controls - ESPECIALLY THE REORD/PLAYBACK SWITCH (probably)on the main board. It's the long linear switch about 4 inches long. It's activated mechanically when you press the record/play switches. SR From: Ron Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by bay0-mc8-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:40:20 -0800 Received: from zxe.naks.com (g218150.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.218.150])(authenticated bits=0)by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFDVVha068542;Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:31:31 +0100 (CET)(envelope-from naktalk-bounces at naks.com) Received: from zxe.naks.com (zxe.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFDTbg3024943;Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:30:44 +0100 Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFDTY0J024940for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:29:34 +0100 Received: from 209-6-241-45.c3-0.frm-ubr1.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO[127.0.0.1]) ([209.6.241.45])by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2005 08:29:28 -0500 X-Message-Info: zVLtYL4CdklXf80oMDwLfzWqrizOuj2ej6yeflhThS0= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,257,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="184784796:sNHT37676680" Organization: Computer Science Dept. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root at elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net><43A15DA2.2040508 at snet.net> X-BeenThere: naktalk at naks.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: naktalk-bounces at naks.com X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Return-Path: naktalk-bounces at naks.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 13:40:21.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[17EE97D0:01C6017D] Also. since it plays fine in one spot on the eq. button, try to spray some contact cleaner into the switch while working it in and out. -- Ron Edward Noyes wrote: >All you probably need to do is pull all the boards, clean the edge >connectors and re-install. That should fix the oscillation problems and put >you in a position to properly calibrate this deck. Ed > >Tona Ciofalo wrote: > >>Hi dudes, >> >>so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric >>tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re >>callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk >>d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the >>VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried >>demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left >>the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to >>zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass >>noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button >>3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have >>any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the >>bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock >>because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any >>ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any ho! > >p! > >>e...? >> >>anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much >>Tona >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 17:57:28 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20051215165728.2917.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Martin, I really concur with your opnions. I hae only one Technics cassette deck, the M95. I have a soft spot for that machine, despite owning a Dragon alongst other classic Naks. I also have the elder brother of the Aiwa 770, the F990. It it a beautiful deck, with a smooth treble and warm mid-bass. Not quite as warm and full blown as the Nak 600 though. The Aiwa Excelia takes the 990's fidelity to a new level although it lacks the warmth, somewhat. Bala Martin Short wrote: Hi all, Just catching up on my backlog of naktalks.... Derrick, Never been fortunate enough to see or hear a 1000ZXL, but I have some familiarity with the earlier 1000's... I fully bow to Kermit.. totally awesome. The 1000 I was most familar with was owned by a Recording Engineer ( EMI studios, Miramar, Wgtn, NZ), and it was plumbed into a Nakamichi System One playing through some JBL studio monitors... the sound?... on hearing music through this system..made my hair stand on end.. at least when I had some!. and totally to blame for starting my subsequent obsession with Naks some 25 years ago! I will get one, one day when the pennies allow! (For interest, the source was always LP, being pre CD, and was a Garrard 301/SME3012/ Shure V15... the records of course were always plain labelled first pressings and a bit heavier than the commercial stuff supplied to the shops!, tapes were TDK SA) My question: which would be preferred, the orginal 1000, or 1000/II??..I lean towards the latter, but would value expert opinion. WRT the Sony ES decks.. I don't like them personally.. dull sounding machines, much like the rest of Sony's audio gear.... my humble one eyed personal opinion. On the subject of other decks.. there are some pretty useful machines from other companies that can be obtained for beer money. I've always had a soft spot for Technics decks as they offered good sound and reliability for a good price. I still have and operate an RS-B100 and RS-B55. Tandberg 440's are nice, and there is the TEAC Z series, however both of which require brewery money.. not beer.. and so can set you back more than a comparable Nak, at least in this part of the world!.. Onkyo's never seemed to sound quite right to me, and I never warmed to Yamaha's or Luxman's either. I would also rate serious Akai's high on my list, though I don't own any at the moment. Two other decks I retain and use, because they are not put to shame in Nak company are : Aiwa F770 ( impressive metering, reliable, and the auto cal always seems to come up with the sonic goods), and a Hitachi D980.. (my first serious 3 head deck.. we go back a long way.. now a bit cantankerous, but I keep her for sentimental reasons, and she does still record a good tape!) Kannan, I am puzzled by your ( bad?) experiences with the later Sankyo transport decks. Apart from the inevitable idler issue, my BX's give me the least problems. My BX300 lasted 15 years before the tyre needed replacement ( now fitted with an ESL tyre.. so that should last a while :o) ), and my CR5 is still going on it's original. Could be because they are a lot younger , but have never had any electronic isssues either. I find the classic nak transport a bit cranky if not regularly turned over. cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Thu Dec 15 19:14:28 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <200512141719.jBEHIhBp021526@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Ron, Where does one lubricate the Sankyo transport? What do you use for lubricant? Gary >>Kannan, I know what you are saying about the Sankyo transport. I don't see it as 'unreliable', but as 'requires routine maintenance'. As long as you service it (clean and lubricate) once every year or two (maybe replace the belt every 5 years), it will continue to run for a long time. Especially, if you have the gear version. Since I do it myself (takes me less than an hour), I don't object too much. I wish it was this simple with my Toyota :-). -- Ron<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 19:59:10 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20051215185910.78980.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin I have been seeing large number Sankyo transport having problems - Cam mode motor and DD Motors on BX300 as well as CR4 /5 /7 particularly. I have also seen some of these work well. When you compare Older Nak mechanism - Sankyo do not measure up to the sturdy Nak mech. I also fine the older machines like 582 works beautifully with little maintanence - and tape handling is also superior to Sankyo transport. This is my experience having done trouble shooting regularly on these for the last three years. Ofcourse I like CR 4 and 7 and consider them along with BX 300 as fantastic machines. They are also machines that can take parts from Bx1/2 Cr1/2 for repair - a convenience compared older Nak machines though! Kannan Martin Short wrote: Hi all, Just catching up on my backlog of naktalks.... Derrick, Never been fortunate enough to see or hear a 1000ZXL, but I have some familiarity with the earlier 1000's... I fully bow to Kermit.. totally awesome. The 1000 I was most familar with was owned by a Recording Engineer ( EMI studios, Miramar, Wgtn, NZ), and it was plumbed into a Nakamichi System One playing through some JBL studio monitors... the sound?... on hearing music through this system..made my hair stand on end.. at least when I had some!. and totally to blame for starting my subsequent obsession with Naks some 25 years ago! I will get one, one day when the pennies allow! (For interest, the source was always LP, being pre CD, and was a Garrard 301/SME3012/ Shure V15... the records of course were always plain labelled first pressings and a bit heavier than the commercial stuff supplied to the shops!, tapes were TDK SA) My question: which would be preferred, the orginal 1000, or 1000/II??..I lean towards the latter, but would value expert opinion. WRT the Sony ES decks.. I don't like them personally.. dull sounding machines, much like the rest of Sony's audio gear.... my humble one eyed personal opinion. On the subject of other decks.. there are some pretty useful machines from other companies that can be obtained for beer money. I've always had a soft spot for Technics decks as they offered good sound and reliability for a good price. I still have and operate an RS-B100 and RS-B55. Tandberg 440's are nice, and there is the TEAC Z series, however both of which require brewery money.. not beer.. and so can set you back more than a comparable Nak, at least in this part of the world!.. Onkyo's never seemed to sound quite right to me, and I never warmed to Yamaha's or Luxman's either. I would also rate serious Akai's high on my list, though I don't own any at the moment. Two other decks I retain and use, because they are not put to shame in Nak company are : Aiwa F770 ( impressive metering, reliable, and the auto cal always seems to come up with the sonic goods), and a Hitachi D980.. (my first serious 3 head deck.. we go back a long way.. now a bit cantankerous, but I keep her for sentimental reasons, and she does still record a good tape!) Kannan, I am puzzled by your ( bad?) experiences with the later Sankyo transport decks. Apart from the inevitable idler issue, my BX's give me the least problems. My BX300 lasted 15 years before the tyre needed replacement ( now fitted with an ESL tyre.. so that should last a while :o) ), and my CR5 is still going on it's original. Could be because they are a lot younger , but have never had any electronic isssues either. I find the classic nak transport a bit cranky if not regularly turned over. cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Thu Dec 15 20:28:17 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:28:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 slow occasional transport in play.. Message-ID: hi i've just picked up what appears to be a lovely 680, (the one with manual azimuth control) with original documentation, service record, manual and even nakamichi cleaning felt! it seems to have had little use and been in heated storage for much of it's life.. i can clearly hear a difference in sound quality to my BX125 and Tascam 112.. I love it.. the only problem though is when it's just been switched on and after maybe 30mins of no use even when on.. the transport is slow to engage after pressing play.. there is a slight whine for maybe 5 - 10secs before it moves up and starts playing, when it's then stopped or RW etc.. play comes in very quickly.. is this a problem of lubrication or old belts maybe? thanks adrian From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Dec 15 20:29:14 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:14 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts References: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004001c601ad$d6ac1690$a00898de@tec> Hi Tono All Nak 600s can do this. Mine did and blew up a bass speaker unit. It is very simply fixed in my experience. What I have found it to be is if one of the plug in boards is not perfectly aligned, there is a short circuit across the contacts of that board. I think it can occur just by a heavy bump to the machine. If you get my Nak 600 service manual off Tomas's site you will see how to open the machine up. Once you have the knack of it, it is not hard. There is a main board and a number of plug in boards go into it. By my memory, the board that causes this problem in my experience is the "CAL PCB Ass'y" - diagram 8.4 in the manual. Pull it out, and plug it straight back in. Reasssemble the machine without face plate and back cover, and test. Do not have speakers on!!!!!!! If the meters do not go crazy, it is fixed. If still going crazy, do it again and again until meters OK. Then, just be aware that the fault is intermittent and can happen again without warning. Still, it is a great machine, and as long as you can manage that little issue, which costs nothing in parts, only time, in my experience, it will be a great asset to you. Good luck. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tona Ciofalo" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts > Hi dudes, > > so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric > tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re > callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk > d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the > VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried > demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left > the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to > zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass > noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button > 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have > any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the > bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock > because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any > ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any hop! > e...? > > anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much > Tona > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 21:10:50 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:10:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 slow occasional transport in play.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051215201050.65700.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like the mode control belt is slipping. Find out the Nak partnumber from the service manual and use the cross reference to a PRB belt P/N about a page down on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > hi > > i've just picked up what appears to be a lovely 680, (the one with > > manual azimuth control) with original documentation, service > record, > manual and even nakamichi cleaning felt! > > it seems to have had little use and been in heated storage for much > > of it's life.. > > i can clearly hear a difference in sound quality to my BX125 and > Tascam 112.. I love it.. > > the only problem though is when it's just been switched on and > after > maybe 30mins of no use even when on.. the transport is slow to > engage > after pressing play.. there is a slight whine for maybe 5 - 10secs > > before it moves up and starts playing, when it's then stopped or RW > > etc.. play comes in very quickly.. > > is this a problem of lubrication or old belts maybe? > > > thanks > > adrian > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Dec 15 20:39:30 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:39:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: References: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051215143848.01c86c48@psulias.psu.edu> The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the bass is lacking? At 10:43 AM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >Martin... > >It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a 1000ZXL >- apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may have since >been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to Vancouver - >it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. > >Ken From rich_121 at msn.com Fri Dec 16 00:14:36 2005 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:14:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where can I buy? Message-ID: Hello, I just purchased a NAK Dragon, received it yesterday. What is the best tape to use (normal, chrome, and metal) for these decks? I am very excited to used this, as, I haven't had a cassette deck since early 80's (same time I got rid of my vinyl/turntable, both mistakes). I have gotten back into vinyl after a go with CD/SACD, which are also good if done right, but, I also like the warmth of analog. Great site, I look foreward to lots of reading/learning here. Thanks, Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Fri Dec 16 00:54:50 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:54:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051215235450.981CA5DBEF@smtp.amb.org> RICHARD FIne writes: > I just purchased a NAK Dragon, received it yesterday. What is the best = > tape to use (normal, chrome, and metal) for these decks? I am very = > excited to used this, as, I haven't had a cassette deck since early 80's = > (same time I got rid of my vinyl/turntable, both mistakes). > I have gotten back into vinyl after a go with CD/SACD, which are also = > good if done right, but, I also like the warmth of analog.=20 > Great site, I look foreward to lots of reading/learning here. Since the Dragon has calibration controls for bias and level, plus the benefit of the NAAC system, it will extract the best performance out of any tape type you use. Metal tapes has the highest overload margin and have the widest frequency response and lowest distortion at high recording levels, but a good high bias tape will also be excellent. -Ti From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 16 01:22:28 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:22:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts In-Reply-To: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6300663.1134631921190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43A208C4.2050800@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tona, Oh man, a 600 in pain! I can't bear it. Sounds to like it is "motorboating" (a low-frequency oscillation). This is most often caused by dirty or defective edge-card connectors on the printed circuit board, especially the Dolby board; a problem wit hthe record/play mode switch (a good cleasning with Caig often solves that) or a defective capacitor somewhere in the playback or output electronics. Look for a capacitor used to decouple the emitter or collectorof a transistor as the first suspects. Your problem has happened to every 550, 600 and 600-II I've owned and the problem was one of the ones I've listed. So do not despair, your 600 can be made to run all nice and cool again. Tona Ciofalo wrote: > Hi dudes, > > so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any ho p! > e...? > > anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much > Tona -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From extendtech at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 02:52:31 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:52:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051215143848.01c86c48@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: My specs for the 1000zxl show 20-20,000 -+ 0.75db and 18-25,000 -+3db. One of the things I love is the bass - very solid. Ken >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:39:30 -0500 > >The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the >bass is lacking? > >At 10:43 AM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >>Martin... >> >>It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a 1000ZXL >>- apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may have since >>been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to Vancouver - >>it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. >> >>Ken > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 03:35:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:35:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts In-Reply-To: <004001c601ad$d6ac1690$a00898de@tec> Message-ID: <20051216023503.16725.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don and Kermit have just given you the right steps. On my 600 II, I used a canned duster do blow the dirt out carefully, and then inspect the contacts for any wear or corrosion. Then I used some Caig De-Oxit spray and firmly insert all the cards back. It works perfectly. The connectors are a big pain, on this deck as well as the 700ZXL and 1000ZXL. Bala Donald Sangster wrote: Hi Tono All Nak 600s can do this. Mine did and blew up a bass speaker unit. It is very simply fixed in my experience. What I have found it to be is if one of the plug in boards is not perfectly aligned, there is a short circuit across the contacts of that board. I think it can occur just by a heavy bump to the machine. If you get my Nak 600 service manual off Tomas's site you will see how to open the machine up. Once you have the knack of it, it is not hard. There is a main board and a number of plug in boards go into it. By my memory, the board that causes this problem in my experience is the "CAL PCB Ass'y" - diagram 8.4 in the manual. Pull it out, and plug it straight back in. Reasssemble the machine without face plate and back cover, and test. Do not have speakers on!!!!!!! If the meters do not go crazy, it is fixed. If still going crazy, do it again and again until meters OK. Then, just be aware that the fault is intermittent and can happen again without warning. Still, it is a great machine, and as long as you can manage that little issue, which costs nothing in parts, only time, in my experience, it will be a great asset to you. Good luck. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tona Ciofalo" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts > Hi dudes, > > so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric > tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re > callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk > d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the > VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried > demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left > the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to > zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass > noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button > 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have > any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the > bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock > because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any > ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any hop! > e...? > > anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much > Tona > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Cheers, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:21:25 -0500 > >Richard contacted me very shortly after I posted the Dragon for sale and he >agreed to send payment immediately as long as I packed the Dragon up and >didn't use it anymore, which is a perfectly reasonable request. I have it >packed and stored for Richard to pick up when he comes through the area >next month. My mechanic is getting richer, and my 70 Trans Am is almost >done, and Richard will have another Dragon. Everything is running >smoothly. :) > >Probably the easiest on-line transaction I've ever had. >Richard also seems to be trying to corner the market on Dragons. He's got >quite a set up. > > > >>Can you; my dear Derrick explain me much more easy, what really happen to >>your & lovely upkeep Dragon...is waiting "packaged"...for the new buyer, >>or to "THE NEW buyer; which yet did not appear to take the Dragon home? >> >>Thank so much Derrick for your good will explaining me what really happen? >> >>Best wishes to both of you ever!!! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Derrick Beckner >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >>>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:49:43 -0500 >>> >>>Yes it has, it's tucked safely away waiting for it's new owner. >>> >>>I've been looking for some bargain units to replace the Dragon on ebay. >>>There were three 700 ZXLs on ebay, but in various states of disrepair but >>>a low prices. Those things aren't easy to get parts for as I recall. Is >>>it even possible to replace the ABLE mechanisms anymore? >>> >>>Any one have any opinions on the following... >>>Yamaha K-1200 (dbx hxpro) >>>Various Sony ES (Dolby S, hx pro) >>>Luxman KX-102 >>> >>>Any real sleepers from Tandberg, Technichs, Teac or Onkyo? >>> >>>I have a couple CD burners, but frankly I enjoy making tapes more than >>>CDs. What can I say? >>> >>>At 04:36 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>>Hi, Alex, Douglas, >>>> >>>>I'm afraid Derrick's machine has been sold and paid for ....now >>>>how would I know? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>Richard >>>> >>>>At 03:12 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >>>>>Hi Doug! >>>>> >>>>>The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of >>>>>course...!)? >>>>> >>>>>Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his >>>>>"Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and >>>>>lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I >>>>>recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his >>>>>"Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also >>>>>sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm >>>>>sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING >>>>>unit at an a very fair price. >>>> >>>>Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >>>>Vignettes Media web: >>>>http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >>>>Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >>>>Detailed contact information: >>>>http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>Derrick Beckner >>>Mapping Specialist >>>Map Library Supervisor >>>Penn State University >>>1 Paterno Library >>>University Park, PA 16802 >>>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>>814-863-5753 >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 04:00:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:00:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. Message-ID: Hi Martin! I can help you to own my first Nat that I ever acquired the TT-1000/2 in 1968, for a mere US$: 300.00...the unique problem is the "Transportation/Shipping from "The Holy Land Israel to New Zealand...will be more expensive that the price that I'm asking...as the unit weights 20 kilos! BTW...My first son is traveling New Zealand for at least 5 months, and after will be in Australia for a while...exactly where in N.Z don't recall. He never speak 100% exactly where is now! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:44:48 +1300 > >Hi all, > >Just catching up on my backlog of naktalks.... > >Derrick, > >Never been fortunate enough to see or hear a 1000ZXL, but I have some >familiarity with the earlier 1000's... I fully bow to Kermit.. totally >awesome. The 1000 I was most familar with was owned by a Recording Engineer >( EMI studios, Miramar, Wgtn, NZ), and it was plumbed into a Nakamichi >System One playing through some JBL studio monitors... the sound?... on >hearing music through this system..made my hair stand on end.. at least >when I had some!. and totally to blame for starting my subsequent obsession >with Naks some 25 years ago! I will get one, one day when the pennies >allow! >(For interest, the source was always LP, being pre CD, and was a Garrard >301/SME3012/ Shure V15... the records of course were always plain labelled >first pressings and a bit heavier than the commercial stuff supplied to the >shops!, tapes were TDK SA) > >My question: which would be preferred, the orginal 1000, or 1000/II??..I >lean towards the latter, but would value expert opinion. > >WRT the Sony ES decks.. I don't like them personally.. dull sounding >machines, much like the rest of Sony's audio gear.... my humble one eyed >personal opinion. > >On the subject of other decks.. there are some pretty useful machines from >other companies that can be obtained for beer money. I've always had a soft >spot for Technics decks as they offered good sound and reliability for a >good price. I still have and operate an RS-B100 and RS-B55. Tandberg 440's >are nice, and there is the TEAC Z series, however both of which require >brewery money.. not beer.. and so can set you back more than a comparable >Nak, at least in this part of the world!.. Onkyo's never seemed to sound >quite right to me, and I never warmed to Yamaha's or Luxman's either. I >would also rate serious Akai's high on my list, though I don't own any at >the moment. Two other decks I retain and use, because they are not put to >shame in Nak company are : Aiwa F770 ( impressive metering, reliable, and >the auto cal always seems to come up with the sonic goods), and a Hitachi >D980.. (my first serious 3 head deck.. we go back a long way.. now a bit >cantankerous, but I keep her for sentimental reasons, and she does still >record a good tape!) > >Kannan, > >I am puzzled by your ( bad?) experiences with the later Sankyo transport >decks. Apart from the inevitable idler issue, my BX's give me the least >problems. My BX300 lasted 15 years before the tyre needed replacement ( now >fitted with an ESL tyre.. so that should last a while :o) ), and my CR5 >is still going on it's original. Could be because they are a lot younger , >but have never had any electronic isssues either. I find the classic nak >transport a bit cranky if not regularly turned over. > >cheers, > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 04:15:02 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:15:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 slow occasional transport in play.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051216031502.9705.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Adrian, The transport has a small motor that drives a cam wheel. The tape heads and mechanisms are connected to this cam wheel. I presume the belt between the motor and the cam wheel has gone loose or soft. Its a small round belt. I may have to take out and measure mine and you can get one from an electronics store. The whine is the small motor running. The cam has a little feedback circuit telling the electronics if the tape head is engaged to the correct position. Since the tape head block had not engaged, the motor keeps turning until the block reaches the desired position. I do not think lub is an issue, but it would be a good idea to give the whole mechanism a good tlc at this point. Bala Adrian Finn wrote: hi i've just picked up what appears to be a lovely 680, (the one with manual azimuth control) with original documentation, service record, manual and even nakamichi cleaning felt! it seems to have had little use and been in heated storage for much of it's life.. i can clearly hear a difference in sound quality to my BX125 and Tascam 112.. I love it.. the only problem though is when it's just been switched on and after maybe 30mins of no use even when on.. the transport is slow to engage after pressing play.. there is a slight whine for maybe 5 - 10secs before it moves up and starts playing, when it's then stopped or RW etc.. play comes in very quickly.. is this a problem of lubrication or old belts maybe? thanks adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ALEX! >From: "RICHARD FIne" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >tape,and where can I buy? >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:14:36 -0800 > >Hello, >I just purchased a NAK Dragon, received it yesterday. What is the best tape >to use (normal, chrome, and metal) for these decks? I am very excited to >used this, as, I haven't had a cassette deck since early 80's (same time I >got rid of my vinyl/turntable, both mistakes). >I have gotten back into vinyl after a go with CD/SACD, which are also good >if done right, but, I also like the warmth of analog. >Great site, I look foreward to lots of reading/learning here. > >Thanks, > >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 16 06:20:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:20:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <43A24E88.6040809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Martin, Martin Short wrote: > My question: which would be preferred, the orginal 1000, or 1000/II??..I > lean towards the latter, but would value expert opinion. Very close call. Either are fabulous but the 1000-II has a slightly improved Dolby circuit (as did the 700-II and 600-II). > WRT the Sony ES decks.. I don't like them personally.. dull sounding > machines, much like the rest of Sony's audio gear.... my humble one eyed > personal opinion. I'm with you there! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 16 06:22:16 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:22:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051215143848.01c86c48@psulias.psu.edu> References: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> <6.1.2.0.2.20051215143848.01c86c48@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <43A24F08.4070508@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the > bass is lacking? A definite NO! the bbass is powerful and detailed. The specs are conservative -- a 1000 can be coaxed all the way down to 15 cps. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 16 06:30:49 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:30:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, In-Reply-To: <20051215235450.981CA5DBEF@smtp.amb.org> References: <20051215235450.981CA5DBEF@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <43A25109.4030103@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ti and Richard, Ti Kan wrote: > RICHARD FIne writes: > >>I just purchased a NAK Dragon, received it yesterday. What is the best = >>tape to use (normal, chrome, and metal) for these decks? I am very = >>excited to used this, as, I haven't had a cassette deck since early 80's = >>(same time I got rid of my vinyl/turntable, both mistakes). >>I have gotten back into vinyl after a go with CD/SACD, which are also = >>good if done right, but, I also like the warmth of analog.=20 >>Great site, I look foreward to lots of reading/learning here. > > > Since the Dragon has calibration controls for bias and level, plus the > benefit of the NAAC system, it will extract the best performance out > of any tape type you use. Metal tapes has the highest overload margin > and have the widest frequency response and lowest distortion at high > recording levels, but a good high bias tape will also be excellent. I've found that though metal tapes have higher maximum output levels (MOL), they exhibit greater distortion in the midrange than chrome or cobalt-doped chrome tapes, and their rougher oxide often wears heads quicker. Given that the recording level shouldn't exceed 0 dB when using Dolby, the higher MOL is irrelevant in practice. The frequency response, when evaluated in lab setups, is indeed wider, but the tendency of metal tape to accrue greater modulation noise when exposed to sharp transients negates the presumed advantage. Myself, I don't use metal tapes, unless you're referring to a measuring tape or a fish tape. I'd recommend the Dragon be fed a diet of raw Quantegy 471, TDK SA, Maxell XL-II or Emtec's "professional" chrome tape. Or hobbits. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Dec 16 08:04:11 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:04:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. Message-ID: I doubt it Martin!! It depends what the reference is - 35Hz at -20db is unlikely - it could be a higher reading such as -10dB or 0dB. The amplitude at the frequency extremes will drop off anyway. The 1000 should deliver 20Hz to 20kHz plus or minus 3dB at the -20dB ref point if properly tuned. Probably better though. As far as I recall, it's not supposed to take type IV trapes, but try a nice high energy type II like Maxell XLII-S. Bear in mind that the limiting factor is usually your loudspeakers and the 1000 will push beyond most speaker range boundaries. Cheers - Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 12/15/2005 9:39:30 PM >>> The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the bass is lacking? At 10:43 AM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >Martin... > >It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a 1000ZXL >- apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may have since >been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to Vancouver - >it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. > >Ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Dec 16 08:52:40 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:52:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where can I buy? Message-ID: Welcome to naktalk Richard, As Ti says - any - your Dragon will perform all tricks on any formulation with ease. The challenge is getting new tape stock into your cupboard, or in the case of metal tapes, into your safe. You might have to become quite resourceful getting the really desirable ones on which Dragons dine best. High end tapes from each category will enable you to hear your Dragon at its best. These are sometimes to be seen on e-Bay. Those that you can reasonably expect to see either in shops or e-Bay would be: Type 1: Maxell UDI, Sony HF-S, TDK AD, BASF Ferro Extra (FE) Type 2: Maxell XLII, Sony UX and UX-S, TDK SA, BASF Chrome Extra (CE) Type 4: Maxell Metal CD, TDK MA Here and there you might find Quantegy 472 - grab them. Same applies to JVC AF-II and UF-II, and SKC QX and ZX. Higher levels of desirability and difficulty in finding are out there ...and you should jump at it: Type 1: Maxell XLI/S, Sony HF-ES, TDK AD-X, AR and AR-X, BASF/Emtec Ferro Maxima (FM) Type 2: Maxel XLII-S, TDK SA-X/SM-X, Sony UX-Pro/Turbo/UCX-S, BASF Chrome Super/Maxima/Ref Maxima Type 4: Maxell MX/MX-S, TDK MA-X/MA-XG, Sony SR/XR/Metal Master, BASF TPIV Metal Maxima Happy hunting!! Marc >>> rich_121 at msn.com 12/16/2005 1:14:36 AM >>> Hello, I just purchased a NAK Dragon, received it yesterday. What is the best tape to use (normal, chrome, and metal) for these decks? I am very excited to used this, as, I haven't had a cassette deck since early 80's (same time I got rid of my vinyl/turntable, both mistakes). I have gotten back into vinyl after a go with CD/SACD, which are also good if done right, but, I also like the warmth of analog. Great site, I look foreward to lots of reading/learning here. 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From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Dec 16 10:22:49 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:22:49 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. Message-ID: <001c01c60222$48a5b200$0201a8c0@lan> Hi Ken, Yes, I too wish I had discovered this list a lot earlier than this year. I have been collecting Naks for 20 years and the information gained through all contributors has been a big help recently in maintaining my fleet and kick starting repair of some of the decks I had amassed as parts donors back into functional machines.! Pity about shipping your ZXL up to Vancouver.. would have loved to have seen and heard it before it left Godzone!. and Hi Kannan, I guess I have just been lucky with my Sankyo transport decks.. I have only had idler tyre issues, but do appreciate the problems others have had with the cam mode control motors. Appreciate your comments on parts interchangeability....I have one 'clunker CR1'.. works fine but the front panel is somewhat 'munted' and this is going to be the gear set donor for my RX202 when it finally plays up. I don't see any point in wasting it on any other deck as the tyre is so easy to change on the BX's and early CR's. I find the classic Nak mechanism gives big trouble if not regularly used, with sticking pinch roller arms being the bane of my life along with tired mode control belts. Electronically, age is starting to catch up as well, and getting them repaired is a 'sod' these days too... mechanicals I can comprehend and fix..but electronics.. not a chance. Sorry Donald, Axent have basically pulled out of servicing Nakamichi's.. they only had the one technician who was prepared to do the work. He felt overloaded, lost his enthusiasm and has since thrown in the towel figuratively and now just works in the shop..( had an LX3, 1000, 2x 700's and my 680ZX on the go) and so Axent have contracted all those decks out.. and there has been no progress on mine in 4 months :o( Bala, The RS-M95 is a nice machine for sure and visually impressive. The biggest bugbear I had with the B100 is that the metal tape bias/cal is fixed. Now all my remaining metal tapes are Nak reserve only.. so it doesn't matter any more!. At the risk of being considered a heretic, Dragon's just don't spin my wheels.. I would rather have a good 1000 cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One of the things I love is the bass - very solid. > >Ken > > >>From: Derrick Beckner >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >>Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:39:30 -0500 >> >>The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the >>bass is lacking? >> >>At 10:43 AM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >>>Martin... >>> >>>It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a >>>1000ZXL - apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may >>>have since been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to >>>Vancouver - it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. >>> >>>Ken >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Dec 16 19:25:16 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:25:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Having Dragon serviced/reconditioned, Tech wants samples of tape I use to calibrate to... need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051216132451.01a451b8@psulias.psu.edu> SKC makes pretty good metal tapes. About $7.50 a pop. You can get them at the cassette house web site. At 12:24 PM 12/16/2005, RICHARD FIne wrote: >Hello, >As I stated in my earlier post, I just bought a NAK Dragon. It has a >couple problems (won't Play, just goes forward for a split second, returns >to off position with motor still spinning). I am planning on sending it to >Jeff at Electronic Service Labs and having him Service/Recondition the deck. >He wants me to send him a sample of each tape type I use (normal, chrome >and metal). I am assuming so he can closer calibrate the machine to those >tape formulations. I presently don't know what to get, as, as I have found >that tape is hard to come by. >What Brand/type should I send of each? >My biggest question, does anyone have a source of Metal and quality tape, >other than Ebay? >I really appreciate the fact that this site exists, I look foreward to the >day I can contribute to the knowledge of this forum. > >Again, Thanks... > >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From extendtech at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 19:45:01 2005 From: extendtech at hotmail.com (eXtend Tech) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:45:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051216132038.01b31c30@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Right - I thought that just after I posted the message... Ken >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:20:56 -0500 > >I was talking about the 1000. The users manual lists it as 35-20K. > >At 08:52 PM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >>My specs for the 1000zxl show 20-20,000 -+ 0.75db and 18-25,000 -+3db. >>One of the things I love is the bass - very solid. >> >>Ken >> >> >>>From: Derrick Beckner >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >>>naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >>>Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:39:30 -0500 >>> >>>The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the >>>bass is lacking? >>> >>>At 10:43 AM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >>>>Martin... >>>> >>>>It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a >>>>1000ZXL - apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may >>>>have since been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to >>>>Vancouver - it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. >>>> >>>>Ken >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 16 19:53:13 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:53:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <001c01c60222$48a5b200$0201a8c0@lan> References: <001c01c60222$48a5b200$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <43A30D19.8080505@yahoo.ca> I had problems with the 3 motors... Antoine Deschênes > I guess I have just been lucky with my Sankyo transport decks.. I have > only had idler tyre issues, but do appreciate the problems others have > had with the cam mode control motors. Appreciate your comments on > parts interchangeability....I have one 'clunker CR1'.. works fine but > the front panel is somewhat 'munted' and this is going to be the gear > set donor for my RX202 when it finally plays up. I don't see any point > in wasting it on any other deck as the tyre is so easy to change on > the BX's and early CR's. > I find the classic Nak mechanism gives big trouble if not regularly > used, with sticking pinch roller arms being the bane of my life along > with tired mode control belts. Electronically, age is starting to > catch up as well, and getting them repaired is a 'sod' these days > too... mechanicals I can comprehend and fix..but electronics.. not a > chance. > > Sorry Donald, Axent have basically pulled out of servicing > Nakamichi's.. they only had the one technician who was prepared to do > the work. He felt overloaded, lost his enthusiasm and has since thrown > in the towel figuratively and now just works in the shop..( had an > LX3, 1000, 2x 700's and my 680ZX on the go) and so Axent have > contracted all those decks out.. and there has been no progress on > mine in 4 months :o( > > Bala, > > The RS-M95 is a nice machine for sure and visually impressive. The > biggest bugbear I had with the B100 is that the metal tape bias/cal is > fixed. Now all my remaining metal tapes are Nak reserve only.. so it > doesn't matter any more!. At the risk of being considered a heretic, > Dragon's just don't spin my wheels.. I would rather have a good 1000 > > cheers, > Martin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Fri Dec 16 20:00:17 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:00:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gary: I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something you are doing on your end? Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Ron, Where does one lubricate the Sankyo transport? What do you use for lubricant? Gary >>Kannan, I know what you are saying about the Sankyo transport. I don't see it as 'unreliable', but as 'requires routine maintenance'. As long as you service it (clean and lubricate) once every year or two (maybe replace the belt every 5 years), it will continue to run for a long time. Especially, if you have the gear version. Since I do it myself (takes me less than an hour), I don't object too much. I wish it was this simple with my Toyota :-). -- Ron<< From ifrozeup at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 20:17:09 2005 From: ifrozeup at earthlink.net (Tona Ciofalo) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:17:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts Message-ID: <21738719.1134760630204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> thanks sooooo much all!!!!!!! you guys are amazing..I will try all this and hopefully return quickly to the sweet joy of hearing my mixtapes. Tona -----Original Message----- >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Dec 15, 2005 6:35 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts > >Don and Kermit have just given you the right steps. On my 600 II, I used a canned duster do blow the dirt out carefully, and then inspect the contacts for any wear or corrosion. Then I used some Caig De-Oxit spray and firmly insert all the cards back. It works perfectly. The connectors are a big pain, on this deck as well as the 700ZXL and 1000ZXL. > > Bala > >Donald Sangster wrote: Hi Tono > >All Nak 600s can do this. Mine did and blew up a bass speaker unit. > >It is very simply fixed in my experience. What I have found it to be is if >one of the plug in boards is not perfectly aligned, there is a short circuit >across the contacts of that board. I think it can occur just by a heavy bump >to the machine. > >If you get my Nak 600 service manual off Tomas's site you will see how to >open the machine up. Once you have the knack of it, it is not hard. There is >a main board and a number of plug in boards go into it. By my memory, the >board that causes this problem in my experience is the "CAL PCB Ass'y" - >diagram 8.4 in the manual. > >Pull it out, and plug it straight back in. Reasssemble the machine without >face plate and back cover, and test. Do not have speakers on!!!!!!! > >If the meters do not go crazy, it is fixed. If still going crazy, do it >again and again until meters OK. Then, just be aware that the fault is >intermittent and can happen again without warning. > >Still, it is a great machine, and as long as you can manage that little >issue, which costs nothing in parts, only time, in my experience, it will be >a great asset to you. > >Good luck. > >Donald > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tona Ciofalo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 PM >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts > > >> Hi dudes, >> >> so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric >> tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re >> callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk >> d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the >> VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried >> demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left >> the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to >> zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass >> noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button >> 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have >> any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the >> bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock >> because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any >> ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any hop! >> e...? >> >> anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much >> Tona >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Dec 16 20:47:42 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:47:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Onkyo Integra TA-2090 In-Reply-To: <43A30D19.8080505@yahoo.ca> References: <001c01c60222$48a5b200$0201a8c0@lan> <43A30D19.8080505@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051216144228.01acd5b8@psulias.psu.edu> Just picked up one of these dirt cheat ($60) in supposedly fully functioning condition. Was one of the contestants in a great tape deck shootout in Audio Review with the Dragon and as I recall, faired very well. 3 head, 3 motor DD, auto cal., dbx hx pro, capable of 20-22K with 90db S/N. We'll see! I figured it's worth a flyer for that amount, and it can easily be turned around on ebay for at least double that. Anyone have a cheap dbx II unit (like <$50) they are looking to get rid of? Figure I'll hook that up to the CR-5 and see how it sounds. Also had a TEAC 888X for dirt cheap too, but couldn;t find any specifics on that one. Any one know about this evidently pretty good unit? From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 16 21:11:59 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:11:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A31F8F.7070409@yahoo.ca> Every messages I receive from naktalk are in text mode, making everything in Courier 10pts. I wonder why you are getting them in HTML mode... Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : > Gary: > > I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so > small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something > you are doing on your end? > > Thanks, Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > Ron, > > Where does one lubricate the Sankyo transport? What do you use for > lubricant? > > Gary > >>> Kannan, >>> > > I know what you are saying about the Sankyo transport. > I don't see it as 'unreliable', but as 'requires > routine maintenance'. As long as you service it (clean > and lubricate) once every year or two (maybe replace > the belt every 5 years), it will continue to run for > a long time. Especially, if you have the gear version. > Since I do it myself (takes me less than an hour), I > don't object too much. I wish it was this simple with > my Toyota :-). > > -- Ron > From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Fri Dec 16 21:16:26 2005 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:16:26 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <001c01c60222$48a5b200$0201a8c0@lan> References: <001c01c60222$48a5b200$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051217091314.06cb89d8@paradise.net.nz> Hi Martin Damn...I was going to send my CR7 to Axent for servicing (azimuth adjustment not working) Any suggestions locally or close even? Maybe it will have to go to B and W in England. Brett At 10:22 p.m. 16/12/2005, you wrote: >...Sorry Donald, Axent have basically pulled out of servicing >Nakamichi's.. they only had the one technician who was prepared to >do the work. He felt overloaded, lost his enthusiasm and has since >thrown in the towel figuratively and now just works in the shop..( >had an LX3, 1000, 2x 700's and my 680ZX on the go) and so Axent have >contracted all those decks out.. and there has been no progress on >mine in 4 months :o( > >... >cheers, >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The deck isnt back yet I havent been told B & W have despatched it yet but the work was done yesterday. Talking about heat and age.......I wonder whilst I wait if there is any knowledge in the forum about how cartridges age.... I heard that the polymers in them basically evaporate and atrophy. I assume the polymers referred too are connected with the needle suspension etc. However my cartridge is a magnetic one not a moving coil ..... an Ortofon VMS30 and as the needle assembly is movable I was wondering if magnetic cartridges should therefore be replaced ...... I know that when one returns say a Linn moving coli cartridge for retipping the body of the cartridge is not renewed so any polymers etc are just aging on. Mr Koetsu isnt working anymore ( as far as I know ) he used to ...... or was it his wife who hand wound the mini coils inside his cartridges ...... wow. Even the sinner previously hoped to be a saint, a certain S Sank doesnt get that far into the process of rebuilding Naks. Anyway albeit tangential to NAKS, playing vinyl keeps me going whilst I await my Naks return ... if only I could rig my wifes hair dyer up to provide constant warm air to the cartridge ...... hmmm dust particles ....... mutter....... mumble wind up gramaphones anyone? best wishes ianr scotland From rob at rhoag.com Fri Dec 16 22:16:17 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:16:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <43A31F8F.7070409@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: I have no idea, and it's just from that one poster, Gary, that it happens when I receive my emails. On line at Naktalk everything looks fine. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:12 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Every messages I receive from naktalk are in text mode, making everything in Courier 10pts. I wonder why you are getting them in HTML mode... Antoine Deschênes Doane Hoag a écrit : > Gary: > > I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so > small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something > you are doing on your end? > > Thanks, Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > Ron, > > Where does one lubricate the Sankyo transport? What do you use for > lubricant? > > Gary > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On line at Naktalk everything looks fine. >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:12 PM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > > >Every messages I receive from naktalk are in text mode, making >everything in Courier 10pts. I wonder why you are getting them in HTML >mode... > >Antoine Deschênes > > >Doane Hoag a écrit : > > Gary: > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so > > small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something > > you are doing on your end? > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:14 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > > Ron, > > > > Where does one lubricate the Sankyo transport? What do you use for > > lubricant? > > > > Gary > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:37:55 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:37:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. Felix >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:58 +0000 > >hi Marc > >34 degrees ....... its minus 1 here in our house that is so old Robert >Burns in laws lived in it and its a lot older than that ........ suffice to >say we can only dream of 34 degrees....... I live in the sort of place that >requires me to warm the cartridge in the turntable arm with a electric bulb >to ensure its up to about 22 degrees in its immediate environment ........ >AND then of course it cools down some half way thru the disc! > >We do have a humoungous heating system but theres little chance of the >cartridge actually being in its comfort zone ......... my hi fi is in my >'den' as I believe yanks call 'em and its a hard zone to heat without >enlarging the ozone hole...........a typical underheated scottish hovel in >the hills of nowhere in fact! > >The deck isnt back yet I havent been told B & W have despatched it yet but >the work was done yesterday. > >Talking about heat and age.......I wonder whilst I wait if there is any >knowledge in the forum about how cartridges age.... I heard that the >polymers in them basically evaporate and atrophy. I assume the polymers >referred too are connected with the needle suspension etc. > >However my cartridge is a magnetic one not a moving coil ..... an Ortofon >VMS30 and as the needle assembly is movable I was wondering if magnetic >cartridges should therefore be replaced ...... I know that when one returns >say a Linn moving coli cartridge for retipping the body of the cartridge is >not renewed so any polymers etc are just aging on. > >Mr Koetsu isnt working anymore ( as far as I know ) he used to ...... or >was it his wife who hand wound the mini coils inside his cartridges ...... >wow. Even the sinner previously hoped to be a saint, a certain S Sank >doesnt get that far into the process of rebuilding Naks. > >Anyway albeit tangential to NAKS, playing vinyl keeps me going whilst I >await my Naks return ... if only I could rig my wifes hair dyer up to >provide constant warm air to the cartridge ...... hmmm dust particles >....... mutter....... mumble > >wind up gramaphones anyone? > >best wishes > >ianr >scotland >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Fri Dec 16 23:05:35 2005 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:05:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E stops playing Message-ID: I have a BX 300E which works real nice, except when it stops in palay mode. A loop of tape about 2 inches long shows after the 2nd capstan. What happens is the take up reel stops, the tape feeds for a second, then the deck shuts off. Its either a fault with the take up reel motor - this drives both reels - or perhaps dirt. Should the plastic gears from the motor to the take up reel be lubricated, or not? Anyone else had this problem. Have stripped everything down but can't see very much dirt or alignment problems and all the gears are intact - no broken or damaged teeth. Could the motor have and intermittent fault? -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Dec 16 23:08:18 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:08:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <200512161946.jBGJjpoh032362@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: It is me. Most people don't see the small font, and I don't know what I am doing to cause it. I e-mail from work, and I cannot call IT to fix the problem as you can probably understand. It only happens to some people I e-mail outside the company. I'll continue to look for the source of the problem, but I have already spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. If anyone knows "Lotus Notes" software well enough to help me out, I'd be grateful! Gary >>Gary: I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something you are doing on your end? Thanks, Doane<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Fri Dec 16 23:10:29 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:10:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 slow occasional transport in play.. In-Reply-To: <20051216031502.9705.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051216031502.9705.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69244772-DF7C-4266-AD02-7B093B1C40E7@spamcop.net> hi bala.. thanks for the help that makes perfect sense... it would be fantastic if you did have the measurements but don't worry if it's too much trouble! i haven't opened the 680 up yet... I'm a bit apprehensive, it looks and sounds so good I don't want to break anything! When you say the mechanism could do with tlc, what might this involve? Do you mean general clean and demag. or more involved checks / calibrations? I have access to an oscilloscope but i have no test tapes, yet. From the documents that I have, the 680 was last serviced in the early 80's and had a repair done to some part of the door mechanism that was stopping it operating altogether.. This had happened soon after it was bought in Hong Kong and the angry exchange of letters from the owner makes good reading... I'll have to post them sometime. adrian On 16 Dec 2005, at 03:15, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > The transport has a small motor that drives a cam wheel. The > tape heads and mechanisms are connected to this cam wheel. I > presume the belt between the motor and the cam wheel has gone loose > or soft. Its a small round belt. I may have to take out and measure > mine and you can get one from an electronics store. The whine is > the small motor running. The cam has a little feedback circuit > telling the electronics if the tape head is engaged to the correct > position. Since the tape head block had not engaged, the motor > keeps turning until the block reaches the desired position. I do > not think lub is an issue, but it would be a good idea to give > the whole mechanism a good tlc at this point. > > Bala > > Adrian Finn wrote: > hi > > i've just pi! cked up what appears to be a lovely 680, (the one with > manual azimuth control) with original documentation, service record, > manual and even nakamichi cleaning felt! > > it seems to have had little use and been in heated storage for much > of it's life.. > > i can clearly hear a difference in sound quality to my BX125 and > Tascam 112.. I love it.. > > the only problem though is when it's just been switched on and after > maybe 30mins of no use even when on.. the transport is slow to engage > after pressing play.. there is a slight whine for maybe 5 - 10secs > before it moves up and starts playing, when it's then stopped or RW > etc.. play comes in very quickly.. > > is this a problem of lubrication or old belts maybe? > > > thanks > > adrian > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From ady at spamcop.net Fri Dec 16 23:29:28 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:29:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E stops playing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i fear this is a very common problem with these decks... i've seen several on eBay UK recently with this description.. i picked up a non functioning BX300E recently which sometimes can be coaxed into play etc.. and it sounds fine for a while then will always stop with the same problem as yours... This was discussed recently on this list and if I remember it is related to the reel motor that will probably need to be replaced.. hope this helps adrian On 16 Dec 2005, at 22:05, John Chapman wrote: > I have a BX 300E which works real nice, except when it stops in > palay mode. A loop of tape about 2 inches long shows after the 2nd > capstan. What happens is the take up reel stops, the tape feeds for > a second, then the deck shuts off. Its either a fault with the take > up reel motor - this drives both reels - or perhaps dirt. Should > the plastic gears from the motor to the take up reel be lubricated, > or not? > > Anyone else had this problem. Have stripped everything down but > can't see very much dirt or alignment problems and all the gears > are intact - no broken or damaged teeth. Could the motor have and > intermittent fault? > -- > Regards > > John Chapman > Phoenix Design, Still Waters, > Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW > 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From Ws407c at aol.com Fri Dec 16 23:36:30 2005 From: Ws407c at aol.com (Ws407c at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:36:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ZX-9 Message-ID: <142.531011b6.30d49b6e@aol.com> I am new to this group and I own a ZX-9 and was wondering how the Dragon compares in REC/Playback quality. I want to purchase another deck and would like a little insight from others that have used the Dragon. I see a lot of Dragon's around in need of help and was wondering their weakness as well as the mechanical problems with the ZX-9 that I might be able to keep ahead of. CR-7E seems to be a great deck but has the Sankyo transport . I am running a SET amp with Lowther DX-3's and this ZX-9 is incredible ! I definitely want another deck and am very glad to get back to analogue cassette and the super easy ability to exercise my "fair use" ! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 17 00:45:01 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:45:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where can I buy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A3517D.3040005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc, Marc hugo wrote: > Welcome to naktalk Richard, > > As Ti says - any - your Dragon will perform all tricks on any formulation with ease. The challenge is getting new tape stock into your cupboard, or in the case of metal tapes, into your safe. > > You might have to become quite resourceful getting the really desirable ones on which Dragons dine best. High end tapes from each category will enable you to hear your Dragon at its best. These are sometimes to be seen on e-Bay. Those that you can reasonably expect to see either in shops or e-Bay would be: > > Type 1: Maxell UDI, Sony HF-S, TDK AD, BASF Ferro Extra (FE) > Type 2: Maxell XLII, Sony UX and UX-S, TDK SA, BASF Chrome Extra (CE) > Type 4: Maxell Metal CD, TDK MA > > Here and there you might find Quantegy 472 - grab them. Same applies to JVC AF-II and UF-II, and SKC QX and ZX. > > Higher levels of desirability and difficulty in finding are out there ...and you should jump at it: > > Type 1: Maxell XLI/S, Sony HF-ES, TDK AD-X, AR and AR-X, BASF/Emtec Ferro Maxima (FM) > Type 2: Maxel XLII-S, TDK SA-X/SM-X, Sony UX-Pro/Turbo/UCX-S, BASF Chrome Super/Maxima/Ref Maxima > Type 4: Maxell MX/MX-S, TDK MA-X/MA-XG, Sony SR/XR/Metal Master, BASF TPIV Metal Maxima > Excellent list of blank tapes. I'd put Quantegy 472 at the top of the list, though, but the Drag'n can make almost any tape sound good. I've had bad experiences with Fuji and JVC cassettes exhibiting higher than desiarable dropouts. Sony's tapes sound dull and lifeless to my ears. I've yet to hear a Metal tape that I felt was worth the money, but the "THAT" brand came quite close and are the only metal tape I recommend for those who just have to have metal cassettes, followed by the TDK MA. The Maxell metal cassettes are noticeably grainy in the midrange and the BASF metals seem to have hotrodded highs and lows, but not the same level of midrange detail as the better chromes. Interestingly, I've noticed that the BASF Chrome Extra sounds better on my lower end decks than my upper end decks! Strange! You can never go wrong with TDK, Maxell, or Quantegy. Anyway, my two-pence/cents worth. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 17 00:53:30 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:53:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E stops playing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A3537A.6090705@yahoo.ca> If you're not afraid of doing repairs in the deck, you can try to rebuild the reel motor like I did with my BX-2 but it is told that rebuilds often are not doing the job. In my case it worked fine after. Also a trick that might work would be to let it play for 1 day on FF and an other on REW. someone done this with the cam motor and it worked fine after. Antoine Deschênes Adrian Finn a écrit : > i fear this is a very common problem with these decks... i've seen > several on eBay UK recently with this description.. > > i picked up a non functioning BX300E recently which sometimes can be > coaxed into play etc.. and it sounds fine for a while then will always > stop with the same problem as yours... This was discussed recently on > this list and if I remember it is related to the reel motor that will > probably need to be replaced.. > > hope this helps > > adrian > > > On 16 Dec 2005, at 22:05, John Chapman wrote: > >> I have a BX 300E which works real nice, except when it stops in palay >> mode. A loop of tape about 2 inches long shows after the 2nd >> capstan. What happens is the take up reel stops, the tape feeds for a >> second, then the deck shuts off. Its either a fault with the take up >> reel motor - this drives both reels - or perhaps dirt. Should the >> plastic gears from the motor to the take up reel be lubricated, or not? >> >> Anyone else had this problem. Have stripped everything down but can't >> see very much dirt or alignment problems and all the gears are intact >> - no broken or damaged teeth. Could the motor have and intermittent >> fault? >> --Regards >> >> John Chapman >> Phoenix Design, Still Waters, >> Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW >> 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 17 00:57:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix felic dans wrote: > DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like > to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was always aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite lacking. Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 17 00:55:47 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:55:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A35403.5040902@yahoo.ca> It just happened to me, his font is small! I just found this : http://blackberry.kent.edu/issues.nsf/0/4a6e4651be39e40e852570b300665bd4?OpenDocument Not pretty easy to do for most people but you have to do it once! Antoine Deschênes gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com a écrit : > > It is me. Most people don't see the small font, and I don't know what > I am doing to cause it. I e-mail from work, and I cannot call IT to > fix the problem as you can probably understand. It only happens to > some people I e-mail outside the company. I'll continue to look for > the source of the problem, but I have already spent a lot of time > trying to figure it out. If anyone knows "Lotus Notes" software well > enough to help me out, I'd be grateful! > > Gary > > > >>Gary: > > I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so > small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something > you are doing on your end? > > Thanks, Doane<< > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Sat Dec 17 00:57:18 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:57:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback References: Message-ID: <005601c6029c$801680f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> You're sending email in HTML format, which sends both an HTML and a non-HTML version. So people with email readers that don't do HTML see the non-HTML version and the rest of us see the HTML version. The problem is your font is set to a small size. In looking at the HTML source of your message, I see "font size=2" near the start of the HTML version of the message. You should be able to choose a different font size in Lotus Notes, but it's been so long since I've used it that I don't remember how to do that. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback > It is me. Most people don't see the small font, and I don't know what I am > doing to cause it. I e-mail from work, and I cannot call IT to fix the > problem as you can probably understand. It only happens to some people I > e-mail outside the company. I'll continue to look for the source of the > problem, but I have already spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. > If anyone knows "Lotus Notes" software well enough to help me out, I'd be > grateful! > > Gary From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 17 01:02:11 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:02:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where can I buy? In-Reply-To: <43A3517D.3040005@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43A3517D.3040005@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43A35583.2040801@yahoo.ca> Maybe tapes.com has Quantegy in cassette tapes. If you have a local "Sony Store", they might carry UX Pro. I found an online store with SA-X tapes but I forgot to bookmark it... BASF tapes... hard to find new. Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Marc, > > Marc hugo wrote: >> Welcome to naktalk Richard, >> >> As Ti says - any - your Dragon will perform all tricks on any >> formulation with ease. The challenge is getting new tape stock into >> your cupboard, or in the case of metal tapes, into your safe. >> >> You might have to become quite resourceful getting the really >> desirable ones on which Dragons dine best. High end tapes from each >> category will enable you to hear your Dragon at its best. These are >> sometimes to be seen on e-Bay. Those that you can reasonably expect >> to see either in shops or e-Bay would be: >> >> Type 1: Maxell UDI, Sony HF-S, TDK AD, BASF Ferro Extra (FE) >> Type 2: Maxell XLII, Sony UX and UX-S, TDK SA, BASF Chrome Extra (CE) >> Type 4: Maxell Metal CD, TDK MA >> >> Here and there you might find Quantegy 472 - grab them. Same applies >> to JVC AF-II and UF-II, and SKC QX and ZX. >> >> Higher levels of desirability and difficulty in finding are out there >> ...and you should jump at it: >> >> Type 1: Maxell XLI/S, Sony HF-ES, TDK AD-X, AR and AR-X, BASF/Emtec >> Ferro Maxima (FM) >> Type 2: Maxel XLII-S, TDK SA-X/SM-X, Sony UX-Pro/Turbo/UCX-S, BASF >> Chrome Super/Maxima/Ref Maxima >> Type 4: Maxell MX/MX-S, TDK MA-X/MA-XG, Sony SR/XR/Metal Master, BASF >> TPIV Metal Maxima >> > > Excellent list of blank tapes. I'd put Quantegy 472 at the top of the > list, though, but the Drag'n can make almost any tape sound good. > I've had bad experiences with Fuji and JVC cassettes exhibiting higher > than desiarable dropouts. Sony's tapes sound dull and lifeless to my > ears. I've yet to hear a Metal tape that I felt was worth the money, > but the "THAT" brand came quite close and are the only metal tape I > recommend for those who just have to have metal cassettes, followed by > the TDK MA. The Maxell metal cassettes are noticeably grainy in the > midrange and the BASF metals seem to have hotrodded highs and lows, > but not the same level of midrange detail as the better chromes. > Interestingly, I've noticed that the BASF Chrome Extra sounds better > on my lower end decks than my upper end decks! Strange! You can never > go wrong with TDK, Maxell, or Quantegy. Anyway, my two-pence/cents worth. > From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 01:05:04 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:05:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like open, airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try a Grado after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really "bang-for-the buck"? Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 > >Hi Felix > >felic dans wrote: >>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to >>hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > >Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > >Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more open, >natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem to >lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are good, >but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is the >most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the >Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was always >aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite lacking. >Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. > >Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're listening >to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 17 01:12:40 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:12:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43A357F8.7060101@yahoo.ca> Hi, I just got a Grado Black and it sounds... different. It doesn't sound like my tape drives or CDPs. I can't tell it's unpleasant or enjoyable, it's just different. It seems more like real life but I'm not used to live music. Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Felix > > felic dans wrote: >> DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd >> like to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > > Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon > (LM-10, LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > > Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower > perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more > open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical > and seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both > brands are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon > VMS-30 because it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a > narrower soundstage then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was > fatiguing to me. I was always aware that even though it sounded quite > good something was quite lacking. Even the bottom-line Grado Black is > more natural and has a better soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM > Series. Oh do not get me started on the Ortofon OM-Series. These are > truly unpleasant to listen to. > > Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a > recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're > listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > From packratt at erols.com Sat Dec 17 01:32:16 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:32:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Having Dragon serviced/reconditioned, Tech wants samples of tape I use to calibrate to... need help References: Message-ID: <43A35C90.1010609@erols.com> If you have a Walgreens pharmacy near you they have Maxell XLII for the best price I've seen lately. Le RICHARD FIne wrote: > Hello, > As I stated in my earlier post, I just bought a NAK Dragon. It has a > couple problems (won't Play, just goes forward for a split second, > returns to off position with motor still spinning). I am planning on > sending it to Jeff at Electronic Service Labs and having him > Service/Recondition the deck. > He wants me to send him a sample of each tape type I use (normal, > chrome and metal). I am assuming so he can closer calibrate the > machine to those tape formulations. I presently don't know what to > get, as, as I have found that tape is hard to come by. > What Brand/type should I send of each? > My biggest question, does anyone have a source of Metal and quality > tape, other than Ebay? > I really appreciate the fact that this site exists, I look foreward to > the day I can contribute to the knowledge of this forum. > > Again, Thanks... > > Richard > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 02:26:23 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:26:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hey Kermit, I have the opportunity to purchase 2 MR-2s with gear updates and new absolutely new heads for a grand total of 130 bux plus shipping * whatever that is. Is it a good deal? Everything is working fine. What is the general sound of the MR-2? is it a welcomed deck in the Nak community despite being similar in design to the bx series? What kind of sound should I be expecting with this deck - a mediocre sound that's a reflection of Nak's period of cost-cutting technology, or a well-designed machine that willboast big sound? Thanks for your time, Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 > >Hi Felix > >felic dans wrote: >>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to >>hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > >Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > >Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more open, >natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem to >lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are good, >but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is the >most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the >Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was always >aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite lacking. >Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. > >Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're listening >to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sat Dec 17 02:29:40 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:29:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <43A35403.5040902@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Very good, Antoine, I hope Gary sees this. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback It just happened to me, his font is small! I just found this : http://blackberry.kent.edu/issues.nsf/0/4a6e4651be39e40e852570b300665bd4?Ope nDocument Not pretty easy to do for most people but you have to do it once! Antoine Deschênes gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com a écrit : > > It is me. Most people don't see the small font, and I don't know what > I am doing to cause it. I e-mail from work, and I cannot call IT to > fix the problem as you can probably understand. It only happens to > some people I e-mail outside the company. I'll continue to look for > the source of the problem, but I have already spent a lot of time > trying to figure it out. If anyone knows "Lotus Notes" software well > enough to help me out, I'd be grateful! > > Gary > > > >>Gary: > > I don't know if it's just me, but your posts have a font size that is so > small it can't be read without adjusting it each time... is that something > you are doing on your end? > > Thanks, Doane<< > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On my 600 II, I used a canned duster do blow the dirt out carefully, and then inspect the contacts for any wear or corrosion. Then I used some Caig De-Oxit spray and firmly insert all the cards back. It works perfectly. The connectors are a big pain, on this deck as well as the 700ZXL and 1000ZXL. > > Bala > >Donald Sangster wrote: Hi Tono > >All Nak 600s can do this. Mine did and blew up a bass speaker unit. > >It is very simply fixed in my experience. What I have found it to be is if >one of the plug in boards is not perfectly aligned, there is a short circuit >across the contacts of that board. I think it can occur just by a heavy bump >to the machine. > >If you get my Nak 600 service manual off Tomas's site you will see how to >open the machine up. Once you have the knack of it, it is not hard. There is >a main board and a number of plug in boards go into it. By my memory, the >board that causes this problem in my experience is the "CAL PCB Ass'y" - >diagram 8.4 in the manual. > >Pull it out, and plug it straight back in. Reasssemble the machine without >face plate and back cover, and test. Do not have speakers on!!!!!!! > >If the meters do not go crazy, it is fixed. If still going crazy, do it >again and again until meters OK. Then, just be aware that the fault is >intermittent and can happen again without warning. > >Still, it is a great machine, and as long as you can manage that little >issue, which costs nothing in parts, only time, in my experience, it will be >a great asset to you. > >Good luck. > >Donald > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tona Ciofalo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 PM >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 600 gone nuts > > >> Hi dudes, >> >> so ive spent hours trying to callibrate my 600, after I first put a ferric >> tape in that gave off the problems as it worked fine in chrome.. so im re >> callibrating in chrome again (with a tdk sa) and in ferric (with a tdk >> d60l), but it still goes nuts with a nasty bass sound in the back and the >> VU meters seizure or just blow all the way to the top. I tried >> demagnetizing it for about 30 minutes and being the idiot that I am I left >> the recording knobs and outputs at 5 when I was supposed to put em down to >> zero I think (have I just murdered my deck?) but this was post- crazy bass >> noise... the weird thing is it sounds perfect if you press the eq button >> 3/4th the way down and just hold it there... any of you epic gurus have >> any ideas on how to proceed? or maybe preset coordinates i can try for the >> bias, level and im supress.? for now I have them all set at 12 oclock >> because the vu meters just dont react to the fiddling in the levels... any >> ideas? pleeeeeeeeeeease? do I have any hop! >> e...? >> >> anything would be massively appreciated thanks so much >> Tona >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? 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In-Reply-To: <43A30D19.8080505@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20051217032135.69108.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin, No way you would be an heretic! My 700ZXL put the Dragon to shame on a side by side comparison. I could almost see tears making the markings on the deck even harder to read. But getting the ZXL decks to keep working imust be harder then maintaining the space shuttle fleet. Bala Antoine Deschênes wrote: I had problems with the 3 motors... Antoine Deschênes > I guess I have just been lucky with my Sankyo transport decks.. I have > only had idler tyre issues, but do appreciate the problems others have > had with the cam mode control motors. Appreciate your comments on > parts interchangeability....I have one 'clunker CR1'.. works fine but > the front panel is somewhat 'munted' and this is going to be the gear > set donor for my RX202 when it finally plays up. I don't see any point > in wasting it on any other deck as the tyre is so easy to change on > the BX's and early CR's. > I find the classic Nak mechanism gives big trouble if not regularly > used, with sticking pinch roller arms being the bane of my life along > with tired mode control belts. Electronically, age is starting to > catch up as well, and getting them repaired is a 'sod' these days > too... mechanicals I can comprehend and fix..but electronics.. not a > chance. > > Sorry Donald, Axent have basically pulled out of servicing > Nakamichi's.. they only had the one technician who was prepared to do > the work. He felt overloaded, lost his enthusiasm and has since thrown > in the towel figuratively and now just works in the shop..( had an > LX3, 1000, 2x 700's and my 680ZX on the go) and so Axent have > contracted all those decks out.. and there has been no progress on > mine in 4 months :o( > > Bala, > > The RS-M95 is a nice machine for sure and visually impressive. The > biggest bugbear I had with the B100 is that the metal tape bias/cal is > fixed. Now all my remaining metal tapes are Nak reserve only.. so it > doesn't matter any more!. At the risk of being considered a heretic, > Dragon's just don't spin my wheels.. I would rather have a good 1000 > > cheers, > Martin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 04:25:32 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:25:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051216132038.01b31c30@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20051217032532.23843.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes. These are the official specs. The bass is fantastic-warm, solid and with real slam. It doesn't give the tight, artificial bass of digital. Ironically, the CR7 seems to give that digital bass, and it seems to be voiced to mimic cd players. Another fierce bass monster is the 680ZX. Official specs read it down to 10Hz. Bala Derrick Beckner wrote: I was talking about the 1000. The users manual lists it as 35-20K. At 08:52 PM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >My specs for the 1000zxl show 20-20,000 -+ 0.75db and 18-25,000 >-+3db. One of the things I love is the bass - very solid. > >Ken > > >>From: Derrick Beckner >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Plain old 1000 and other stuff. >>Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:39:30 -0500 >> >>The specs have the 1000 reaching down "only" to 35Hz. Would one say the >>bass is lacking? >> >>At 10:43 AM 12/15/2005, eXtend Tech wrote: >>>Martin... >>> >>>It is a shame I didn't find this list while I was in NZ - I have a >>>1000ZXL - apparently one of only two ever sold there, although more may >>>have since been imported second hand. I shipped it recently from NZ to >>>Vancouver - it had been sitting at my parents for quite a while. >>> >>>Ken >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Continue using Ortofon brand...are extremely reliable I use in on of my 4 turntable that I own the best: MC type a Ortofon Jubilee mounted in a Rega RB-300 arm...match 100% perfectly. Happy listening, ALEX! >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:58 +0000 > >hi Marc > >34 degrees ....... its minus 1 here in our house that is so old Robert >Burns in laws lived in it and its a lot older than that ........ suffice to >say we can only dream of 34 degrees....... I live in the sort of place that >requires me to warm the cartridge in the turntable arm with a electric bulb >to ensure its up to about 22 degrees in its immediate environment ........ >AND then of course it cools down some half way thru the disc! > >We do have a humoungous heating system but theres little chance of the >cartridge actually being in its comfort zone ......... my hi fi is in my >'den' as I believe yanks call 'em and its a hard zone to heat without >enlarging the ozone hole...........a typical underheated scottish hovel in >the hills of nowhere in fact! > >The deck isnt back yet I havent been told B & W have despatched it yet but >the work was done yesterday. > >Talking about heat and age.......I wonder whilst I wait if there is any >knowledge in the forum about how cartridges age.... I heard that the >polymers in them basically evaporate and atrophy. I assume the polymers >referred too are connected with the needle suspension etc. > >However my cartridge is a magnetic one not a moving coil ..... an Ortofon >VMS30 and as the needle assembly is movable I was wondering if magnetic >cartridges should therefore be replaced ...... I know that when one returns >say a Linn moving coli cartridge for retipping the body of the cartridge is >not renewed so any polymers etc are just aging on. > >Mr Koetsu isnt working anymore ( as far as I know ) he used to ...... or >was it his wife who hand wound the mini coils inside his cartridges ...... >wow. Even the sinner previously hoped to be a saint, a certain S Sank >doesnt get that far into the process of rebuilding Naks. > >Anyway albeit tangential to NAKS, playing vinyl keeps me going whilst I >await my Naks return ... if only I could rig my wifes hair dyer up to >provide constant warm air to the cartridge ...... hmmm dust particles >....... mutter....... mumble > >wind up gramaphones anyone? > >best wishes > >ianr >scotland >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 05:05:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:05:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: Hi Felix! I add myself to responding your question...if you don't mind? I'm since 1963 an a seriously Ortofon advocated! Today, I'm using the "Top of the Line"...and of course expensive one, a Moving Coil Jubilee! As my ARC SP-9/mk-2 preamp can handle such low output cartridge. If something happen inside or the stylus is gone...only will needed to be send directly to the factory in Denmark...for replace the needle. That; is my personal opinion!!!! Happy listening, Felix! ALEX! >From: "felic dans" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:37:55 -0500 > >DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to >hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > >Felix > > >>From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:58 +0000 >> >>hi Marc >> >>34 degrees ....... its minus 1 here in our house that is so old Robert >>Burns in laws lived in it and its a lot older than that ........ suffice >>to say we can only dream of 34 degrees....... I live in the sort of place >>that requires me to warm the cartridge in the turntable arm with a >>electric bulb to ensure its up to about 22 degrees in its immediate >>environment ........ AND then of course it cools down some half way thru >>the disc! >> >>We do have a humoungous heating system but theres little chance of the >>cartridge actually being in its comfort zone ......... my hi fi is in my >>'den' as I believe yanks call 'em and its a hard zone to heat without >>enlarging the ozone hole...........a typical underheated scottish hovel in >>the hills of nowhere in fact! >> >>The deck isnt back yet I havent been told B & W have despatched it yet but >>the work was done yesterday. >> >>Talking about heat and age.......I wonder whilst I wait if there is any >>knowledge in the forum about how cartridges age.... I heard that the >>polymers in them basically evaporate and atrophy. I assume the polymers >>referred too are connected with the needle suspension etc. >> >>However my cartridge is a magnetic one not a moving coil ..... an Ortofon >>VMS30 and as the needle assembly is movable I was wondering if magnetic >>cartridges should therefore be replaced ...... I know that when one >>returns say a Linn moving coli cartridge for retipping the body of the >>cartridge is not renewed so any polymers etc are just aging on. >> >>Mr Koetsu isnt working anymore ( as far as I know ) he used to ...... or >>was it his wife who hand wound the mini coils inside his cartridges ...... >>wow. Even the sinner previously hoped to be a saint, a certain S Sank >>doesnt get that far into the process of rebuilding Naks. >> >>Anyway albeit tangential to NAKS, playing vinyl keeps me going whilst I >>await my Naks return ... if only I could rig my wifes hair dyer up to >>provide constant warm air to the cartridge ...... hmmm dust particles >>....... mutter....... mumble >> >>wind up gramaphones anyone? >> >>best wishes >> >>ianr >>scotland >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 05:16:10 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:16:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: Dear Kermit! Since 1963 a loyal Ortofon fan...NOW I learn something better...will try to get at least a "Top" Grado one maybe the Sonata or something similarly made with wood case! Thank you so Kermit; much for teaching me...Bravo!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 > >Hi Felix > >felic dans wrote: >>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to >>hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > >Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > >Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more open, >natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem to >lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are good, >but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is the >most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the >Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was always >aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite lacking. >Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. > >Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're listening >to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 17 08:24:45 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:24:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: I must say after reading this (I guess it should be on audiotalk!!) that I don't know that much about modern Ortofons (I did hear an MC3000 once and that was brilliant) and heard a Rohmann more recently and wasn't that inspired. For a quarter of the money I would rather pick up a second hand Goldring Eroica and have it refurbished. Ortofon MMs - like the old 510 were not very special against some Shures for the same price. I do know however that the local distributor (RSA) dropped Ortofons like a ton of bricks after being "exposed" to the present Grado range. As for the entry level moving iron "colours" as referred to by Kermit, they are also excellent value for money. I think Gold is top of the colours pile - this connected to a Project RPM4 (Projects most significant under-achievement in 15 years) has bought happiness to a friend - he has discovered vinyl!! At least he's using an RB300 arm.. Cheers all, Marc >>> katcadillac321 at hotmail.com 12/17/2005 2:05:04 AM >>> WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like open, airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try a Grado after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really "bang-for-the buck"? Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 > >Hi Felix > >felic dans wrote: >>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to >>hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > >Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > >Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more open, >natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem to >lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are good, >but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is the >most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the >Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was always >aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite lacking. >Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. > >Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're listening >to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 17 08:35:28 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:35:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Onkyo Integra TA-2090 Message-ID: Top of the line Onkyo with their neat slim-line styling. It packed all their know-how into one machine so if all the things are functioning, then it won't disappoint. I personally would prefer a silver-face retro (for today) 2058 for my collection. I think of them as the Volvo's of the eighties cassette decks - solid and dependable. Even the entry level units were durable and performed very well. Tape traders liked them because they could take the "mileage". Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 12/16/2005 9:47:42 PM >>> Just picked up one of these dirt cheat ($60) in supposedly fully functioning condition. Was one of the contestants in a great tape deck shootout in Audio Review with the Dragon and as I recall, faired very well. 3 head, 3 motor DD, auto cal., dbx hx pro, capable of 20-22K with 90db S/N. We'll see! I figured it's worth a flyer for that amount, and it can easily be turned around on ebay for at least double that. Anyone have a cheap dbx II unit (like <$50) they are looking to get rid of? Figure I'll hook that up to the CR-5 and see how it sounds. Also had a TEAC 888X for dirt cheap too, but couldn;t find any specifics on that one. Any one know about this evidently pretty good unit? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 17 09:08:18 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:08:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Having Dragon serviced/reconditioned, Tech wants samples of tape I use to calibrate to... Message-ID: Hi Richard, Tape is hard to come by - this is true. Use any means to get it. We are all opportunistic hunters for this dwindling resource. Antoine has already mentioned some options and where to get them. Nak decks as Alex mentioned earlier were factory matched to TDK AD (EX); TDK SA (SX) and TDK MA (ZX). As Jeff has indicated, he intends to adjust the internal trim pots to macth what you give him. In order to get a "factory" spec, I would suggest getting the above tapes and really searching around to source them - this is part of the fun of taping - the sheer rarity of the media. OK Alex, now I have beaten you in the madness stakes. By the way, it certainly doesn't mean that you can't used other tapes - you can still adjust bias and sensitivity when calibrating the deck to the tape before recording. Richard, try the following sources: http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/?E+cassette https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront http://www.totalmedia.com/ http://www.internetconnections.org/cassettes.htm www.richersounds.com/ www.kvjfairdeal.com/ www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp http://www.adelcom.net/ctape.htm These will get you started - good luck!! Marc >>> rich_121 at msn.com 12/16/2005 7:24:23 PM >>> Hello, As I stated in my earlier post, I just bought a NAK Dragon. It has a couple problems (won't Play, just goes forward for a split second, returns to off position with motor still spinning). I am planning on sending it to Jeff at Electronic Service Labs and having him Service/Recondition the deck. He wants me to send him a sample of each tape type I use (normal, chrome and metal). I am assuming so he can closer calibrate the machine to those tape formulations. I presently don't know what to get, as, as I have found that tape is hard to come by. What Brand/type should I send of each? My biggest question, does anyone have a source of Metal and quality tape, other than Ebay? I really appreciate the fact that this site exists, I look foreward to the day I can contribute to the knowledge of this forum. Again, Thanks... Richard The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mikemaxcel at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 09:33:45 2005 From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:33:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: Recently I bidded a Nak 700ZXL with the problems mentioned below and could any one in the naktalk diagnose the actual causes and give prescription. 1.Will not calibrate in the metal tape position. 2.Calibration pots are noisy. 3.There is a noisy head ground 4.One channel intermittent on recording. Mikemaxcel From ramvem at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 10:19:06 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where In-Reply-To: <43A35583.2040801@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better.
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-- Ram Vemuri
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----Original Message Follows---- From: Antoine Desch�nes Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where can I buy? Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:02:11 -0500 Maybe tapes.com has Quantegy in cassette tapes. If you have a local "Sony Store", they might carry UX Pro. I found an online store with SA-X tapes but I forgot to bookmark it... BASF tapes... hard to find new. Antoine Desch�nes Kermit V. Gray a �crit : >Hi Marc, > >Marc hugo wrote: >>Welcome to naktalk Richard, >> >>As Ti says - any - your Dragon will perform all tricks on any formulation >>with ease. The challenge is getting new tape stock into your cupboard, or >>in the case of metal tapes, into your safe. >> >>You might have to become quite resourceful getting the really desirable >>ones on which Dragons dine best. High end tapes from each category will >>enable you to hear your Dragon at its best. These are sometimes to be >>seen on e-Bay. Those that you can reasonably expect to see either in >>shops or e-Bay would be: >> >>Type 1: Maxell UDI, Sony HF-S, TDK AD, BASF Ferro Extra (FE) >>Type 2: Maxell XLII, Sony UX and UX-S, TDK SA, BASF Chrome Extra (CE) >>Type 4: Maxell Metal CD, TDK MA >> >>Here and there you might find Quantegy 472 - grab them. Same applies to >>JVC AF-II and UF-II, and SKC QX and ZX. >> >>Higher levels of desirability and difficulty in finding are out there >>...and you should jump at it: >> >>Type 1: Maxell XLI/S, Sony HF-ES, TDK AD-X, AR and AR-X, BASF/Emtec Ferro >>Maxima (FM) >>Type 2: Maxel XLII-S, TDK SA-X/SM-X, Sony UX-Pro/Turbo/UCX-S, BASF Chrome >>Super/Maxima/Ref Maxima >>Type 4: Maxell MX/MX-S, TDK MA-X/MA-XG, Sony SR/XR/Metal Master, BASF TPIV >>Metal Maxima >> > >Excellent list of blank tapes. I'd put Quantegy 472 at the top of the list, >though, but the Drag'n can make almost any tape sound good. I've had bad >experiences with Fuji and JVC cassettes exhibiting higher than desiarable >dropouts. Sony's tapes sound dull and lifeless to my ears. I've yet to hear >a Metal tape that I felt was worth the money, but the "THAT" brand came >quite close and are the only metal tape I recommend for those who just have >to have metal cassettes, followed by the TDK MA. The Maxell metal cassettes >are noticeably grainy in the midrange and the BASF metals seem to have >hotrodded highs and lows, but not the same level of midrange detail as the >better chromes. Interestingly, I've noticed that the BASF Chrome Extra >sounds better on my lower end decks than my upper end decks! Strange! You >can never go wrong with TDK, Maxell, or Quantegy. Anyway, my >two-pence/cents worth. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ALEX.COZAC at GMAIL.COM Sat Dec 17 10:47:31 2005 From: ALEX.COZAC at GMAIL.COM (ALEX.COZAC at GMAIL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:47:31 GMT Subject: [naktalk] A Hallmark e-card from Alex Message-ID: <200512170947.jBH9lNn1429600@mail068.hallmark.com> Hello! Alex has sent you a Hallmark e-card! To see it, just click the link below, or copy and paste it into your browser's address line: http://www.hallmark.com/ECardWeb/ECV.jsp?a=4006131613391M76408606Y Or . you can follow these steps: 1. Go to our homepage at http://www.hallmark.com 2. Choose "Free E-Cards" under the "Our Products" section. 3. Click the link that says "Pick up an e-card." 4. Enter your e-mail address and this number: EG4006131613391. Click "Display Greeting," and enjoy your e-card. With best wishes, Your friends at Hallmark Your privacy is our priority. Click the "Privacy and Security" link at the bottom of any page on Hallmark.com to see our privacy policy. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 14:17:46 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:17:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Having Dragon serviced/reconditioned, Tech wants samples of tape I use to calibrate to... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051217131746.11186.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since Dragon has user adjustable external controls for Bias and Level - ( with Auto Azimuth adjustment) - Any tape can be used. Unlike CR 7 Dragon needs user to understand its adjustment methods. However you can tweak the Dragon for individual tape sensitivity factors. For example Maxell XL-II S can be tweaked better by lesser bias than 15 Khz adjustment. So do not worry about internal controls - they are generally midway for most of the tapes. Kannan Marc hugo wrote: Hi Richard, Tape is hard to come by - this is true. Use any means to get it. We are all opportunistic hunters for this dwindling resource. Antoine has already mentioned some options and where to get them. Nak decks as Alex mentioned earlier were factory matched to TDK AD (EX); TDK SA (SX) and TDK MA (ZX). As Jeff has indicated, he intends to adjust the internal trim pots to macth what you give him. In order to get a "factory" spec, I would suggest getting the above tapes and really searching around to source them - this is part of the fun of taping - the sheer rarity of the media. OK Alex, now I have beaten you in the madness stakes. By the way, it certainly doesn't mean that you can't used other tapes - you can still adjust bias and sensitivity when calibrating the deck to the tape before recording. Richard, try the following sources: http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/?E+cassette https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront http://www.totalmedia.com/ http://www.internetconnections.org/cassettes.htm www.richersounds.com/ www.kvjfairdeal.com/ www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp http://www.adelcom.net/ctape.htm These will get you started - good luck!! Marc >>> rich_121 at msn.com 12/16/2005 7:24:23 PM >>> Hello, As I stated in my earlier post, I just bought a NAK Dragon. It has a couple problems (won't Play, just goes forward for a split second, returns to off position with motor still spinning). I am planning on sending it to Jeff at Electronic Service Labs and having him Service/Recondition the deck. He wants me to send him a sample of each tape type I use (normal, chrome and metal). I am assuming so he can closer calibrate the machine to those tape formulations. I presently don't know what to get, as, as I have found that tape is hard to come by. What Brand/type should I send of each? My biggest question, does anyone have a source of Metal and quality tape, other than Ebay? I really appreciate the fact that this site exists, I look foreward to the day I can contribute to the knowledge of this forum. Again, Thanks... Richard The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 12:33:43 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:33:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ram, I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a better casing that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As for the sound quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell XLII-S and the regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S is superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do not know if jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. haha. I kid . I kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try them. Sincerely, Felix >From: "Ram Vemuri" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell XL-II >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 (paid $9.99, >minus mail rebate of $4). >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 min >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. > > >
Best Regards,
>
-- Ram Vemuri
(ramvem at hotmail.com) >
> > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is >best availabletape, and where can I buy? >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:02:11 -0500 > >Maybe tapes.com has Quantegy in cassette tapes. > >If you have a local "Sony Store", they might carry UX Pro. > >I found an online store with SA-X tapes but I forgot to bookmark it... > >BASF tapes... hard to find new. > >Antoine Desch�nes > > > >Kermit V. Gray a �crit : >>Hi Marc, >> >>Marc hugo wrote: >>>Welcome to naktalk Richard, >>> >>>As Ti says - any - your Dragon will perform all tricks on any formulation >>>with ease. The challenge is getting new tape stock into your cupboard, >>>or in the case of metal tapes, into your safe. >>> >>>You might have to become quite resourceful getting the really desirable >>>ones on which Dragons dine best. High end tapes from each category will >>>enable you to hear your Dragon at its best. These are sometimes to be >>>seen on e-Bay. Those that you can reasonably expect to see either in >>>shops or e-Bay would be: >>> >>>Type 1: Maxell UDI, Sony HF-S, TDK AD, BASF Ferro Extra (FE) >>>Type 2: Maxell XLII, Sony UX and UX-S, TDK SA, BASF Chrome Extra (CE) >>>Type 4: Maxell Metal CD, TDK MA >>> >>>Here and there you might find Quantegy 472 - grab them. Same applies to >>>JVC AF-II and UF-II, and SKC QX and ZX. >>> >>>Higher levels of desirability and difficulty in finding are out there >>>...and you should jump at it: >>> >>>Type 1: Maxell XLI/S, Sony HF-ES, TDK AD-X, AR and AR-X, BASF/Emtec Ferro >>>Maxima (FM) >>>Type 2: Maxel XLII-S, TDK SA-X/SM-X, Sony UX-Pro/Turbo/UCX-S, BASF Chrome >>>Super/Maxima/Ref Maxima >>>Type 4: Maxell MX/MX-S, TDK MA-X/MA-XG, Sony SR/XR/Metal Master, BASF >>>TPIV Metal Maxima >>> >> >>Excellent list of blank tapes. I'd put Quantegy 472 at the top of the >>list, though, but the Drag'n can make almost any tape sound good. I've >>had bad experiences with Fuji and JVC cassettes exhibiting higher than >>desiarable dropouts. Sony's tapes sound dull and lifeless to my ears. I've >>yet to hear a Metal tape that I felt was worth the money, but the "THAT" >>brand came quite close and are the only metal tape I recommend for those >>who just have to have metal cassettes, followed by the TDK MA. The Maxell >>metal cassettes are noticeably grainy in the midrange and the BASF metals >>seem to have hotrodded highs and lows, but not the same level of midrange >>detail as the better chromes. Interestingly, I've noticed that the BASF >>Chrome Extra sounds better on my lower end decks than my upper end decks! >>Strange! You can never go wrong with TDK, Maxell, or Quantegy. Anyway, my >>two-pence/cents worth. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 17 12:52:39 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:52:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Which is best available tape etc Maxell XLII vs XLII-S Message-ID: You may well prefer the Maxell XLII over the XLII-S and you would not be alone. I like both. XLII is less sensitive in the upper frequencies and is technically better balanced if a flat response is important - as well as perhaps - no tape tuning aids are available. The XLII was the tape traders tape of choice. It combined a sensible price with fine sonic characteristics and a reputation for durability. It's also less of a handful in the studio than TDKs SA, having a slightly better MOL and a much better much SAT 10kHz figure. In actual fact TDK's SA-X is a closer match for XLII than is SA. XLII-S formualtion introduces a proportion of larger black magnetite (unlike cobalt doping, a convertion of goethite (FeOOH) with hydrogen ions) particles which increase the sensitivity to high frequencies and make the tape sound a bit brighter. More correctly, the tape has a "rising" sensitivity as the proportions of varying particle size are staggered to give this effect. However, the cost is to slightly raise the noise floor and consequently XLII-S actually has a narrower dynamic range than XLII. It's less than 1dB and when used with NR it's not much of an issue. If you have strong manual calibration facilities XLII-S exuberance can be tamed although it's a shame to do so. Theoretically, you can flatten the response and end up with a type II with vanishing low levels of disortion at its MOLs, never mind at 0 dB. If you prefer the sonic signature of XLII, then rather buy that. However, for many, the thrilling rollercoaster of sound that an XLII-S can deliver is not something they would choose to live without. The final advantage of an XLII-S is that if the tape is played on a machine other that upon which is was recorded, the potential for high frequency loss due to azimuth errors is less noticable due to the rising sensitivity in the HF. Both are brilliant tapes but the XLII-S, together with a handful of others, (such as BASF's TPII Reference Maxima and Quantegy 472) must rank as the all-time best type II. This is the great thing about magnetic recording - no tape sound the same as another. If all I wanted to do was to have a replica of the CD or LP I was taping, I'd sell my ears (on e-bay) and take up sewing. Cheers - Marc >>> ramvem at hotmail.com 12/17/2005 11:19:06 AM >>> I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better.
Best Regards,
-- Ram Vemuri
(ramvem at hotmail.com)
----Original Message Follows---- From: Antoine Deschênes Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where can I buy? Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:02:11 -0500 Maybe tapes.com has Quantegy in cassette tapes. If you have a local "Sony Store", they might carry UX Pro. I found an online store with SA-X tapes but I forgot to bookmark it... BASF tapes... hard to find new. Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >Hi Marc, > >Marc hugo wrote: >>Welcome to naktalk Richard, >> >>As Ti says - any - your Dragon will perform all tricks on any formulation >>with ease. The challenge is getting new tape stock into your cupboard, or >>in the case of metal tapes, into your safe. >> >>You might have to become quite resourceful getting the really desirable >>ones on which Dragons dine best. High end tapes from each category will >>enable you to hear your Dragon at its best. These are sometimes to be >>seen on e-Bay. Those that you can reasonably expect to see either in >>shops or e-Bay would be: >> >>Type 1: Maxell UDI, Sony HF-S, TDK AD, BASF Ferro Extra (FE) >>Type 2: Maxell XLII, Sony UX and UX-S, TDK SA, BASF Chrome Extra (CE) >>Type 4: Maxell Metal CD, TDK MA >> >>Here and there you might find Quantegy 472 - grab them. Same applies to >>JVC AF-II and UF-II, and SKC QX and ZX. >> >>Higher levels of desirability and difficulty in finding are out there >>...and you should jump at it: >> >>Type 1: Maxell XLI/S, Sony HF-ES, TDK AD-X, AR and AR-X, BASF/Emtec Ferro >>Maxima (FM) >>Type 2: Maxel XLII-S, TDK SA-X/SM-X, Sony UX-Pro/Turbo/UCX-S, BASF Chrome >>Super/Maxima/Ref Maxima >>Type 4: Maxell MX/MX-S, TDK MA-X/MA-XG, Sony SR/XR/Metal Master, BASF TPIV >>Metal Maxima >> > >Excellent list of blank tapes. I'd put Quantegy 472 at the top of the list, >though, but the Drag'n can make almost any tape sound good. I've had bad >experiences with Fuji and JVC cassettes exhibiting higher than desiarable >dropouts. Sony's tapes sound dull and lifeless to my ears. I've yet to hear >a Metal tape that I felt was worth the money, but the "THAT" brand came >quite close and are the only metal tape I recommend for those who just have >to have metal cassettes, followed by the TDK MA. The Maxell metal cassettes >are noticeably grainy in the midrange and the BASF metals seem to have >hotrodded highs and lows, but not the same level of midrange detail as the >better chromes. Interestingly, I've noticed that the BASF Chrome Extra >sounds better on my lower end decks than my upper end decks! Strange! You >can never go wrong with TDK, Maxell, or Quantegy. 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From ktl at bornet.net Sat Dec 17 14:38:27 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:38:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added Message-ID: I Have added the following items: 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 "Gold" LTD 1000ZXL deck Thanks to Alex Cozac. Dragon Brochure. Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. Owners and Service Manual for NR200 Thanks to George Valkov. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. For you that are experiencing problems with ftp-upload, you could either email me the files, if smaller than about 5 meg, or if they are larger use the free service www.yousendit.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 17 16:08:23 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:08:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003201c6031b$b92a5f40$939187d9@oemcomputer> Kermit What about the "upmarket" Ortofon OMs, the OM30 and the rare OM40? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 16 December 2005 23:57 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > > > Hi Felix > > felic dans wrote: > > DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like > > to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > > Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, > LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > > Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower > perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more > open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and > seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands > are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 > because it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower > soundstage then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing > to me. I was always aware that even though it sounded quite good > something was quite lacking. Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more > natural and has a better soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. > Oh do not get me started on the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly > unpleasant to listen to. > > Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a > recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're > listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 16:48:18 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:48:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com> Tomas, Thanks for the mention, bu the actual credit for the NR-200 manuals should go to Nick from Russia who sent them to me. George On 12/17/05, Tomas Larsson wrote: > I Have added the following items: > > 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 "Gold" > LTD 1000ZXL deck > Thanks to Alex Cozac. > > Dragon Brochure. > Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. > > Owners and Service Manual for NR200 > Thanks to George Valkov. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > For you that are experiencing problems with ftp-upload, you could either > email me the files, if smaller than about 5 meg, or if they are larger use > the free service www.yousendit.com > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From britri at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 19:53:25 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:53:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Northern California In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A45EA5.6080507@comcast.net> Ram Vemuri wrote: > I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell > XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). > BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 > min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. Welcome to Naktalk, Ram! There are many Naktalkers in N California. I live in Stockton, most of the folks live in the SF Bay Area. Where do you live? Merrychristmas, Brien From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 20:15:55 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:15:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: Hi...Gra'! I laugh...as I own one body with both stylus! Sound similarly...(To my 62 years old...hears!!!). Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:08:23 -0000 > >Kermit > >What about the "upmarket" Ortofon OMs, the OM30 and the rare OM40? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 16 December 2005 23:57 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > > > > > > Hi Felix > > > > felic dans wrote: > > > DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd >like > > > to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > > > > Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, > > LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > > > > Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower > > perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more > > open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and > > seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands > > are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 > > because it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower > > soundstage then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing > > to me. I was always aware that even though it sounded quite good > > something was quite lacking. Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more > > natural and has a better soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. > > Oh do not get me started on the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly > > unpleasant to listen to. > > > > Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a > > recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're > > listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 17 20:39:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c60341$92f00980$e59487d9@oemcomputer> If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just the older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can cause the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I have to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem with EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of felic dans > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best > availabletape,and where > > > Ram, > > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a > better casing > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As > for the sound > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell > XLII-S and the > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S is > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do > not know if > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. > haha. I kid . I > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try them. > > Sincerely, > > Felix > > > >From: "Ram Vemuri" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 > > > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on > Maxell XL-II > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > (paid $9.99, > >minus mail rebate of $4). > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple > of 100 min > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. > > > > From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Dec 17 21:13:11 2005 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:13:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] More cassette tape questions Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions and help everyone, this is a great site. I have not been able to find any "Quantegy 471" tape, but, I have run across "Quantegy 472", each time I do a search for listing of Quantegy tape, I get numerous formulas, but never 471, just 472. Could it have been re-named? Thanks for all the help! Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktl at bornet.net Sat Dec 17 22:09:46 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:09:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, didn't now that, but now he's credited as well. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:48 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added > > > Tomas, > > Thanks for the mention, bu the actual credit for the NR-200 > manuals should go to Nick from Russia who sent them to me. > > George > > On 12/17/05, Tomas Larsson wrote: > > I Have added the following items: > > > > 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 > > "Gold" LTD 1000ZXL deck Thanks to Alex Cozac. > > > > Dragon Brochure. > > Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. > > > > Owners and Service Manual for NR200 > > Thanks to George Valkov. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > > > For you that are experiencing problems with ftp-upload, you could > > either email me the files, if smaller than about 5 meg, or > if they are > > larger use the free service www.yousendit.com > > > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From djmadden at pacbell.net Sat Dec 17 23:07:49 2005 From: djmadden at pacbell.net (David J Madden) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:07:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Northern California In-Reply-To: <43A45EA5.6080507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20051217220749.4925.qmail@web81611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Brien, I am in SF area and own a zx9 that needs servicing. I remember hearing about a place in el cerrito that is very good but can't remember the name of it. Would you know by chance. Thanks. Dave Madden Brien Stocker wrote: Ram Vemuri wrote: > I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell > XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). > BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 > min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. Welcome to Naktalk, Ram! There are many Naktalkers in N California. I live in Stockton, most of the folks live in the SF Bay Area. Where do you live? 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 03:07:19 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Northern California Message-ID: <20051218020719.65175.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Liberman Sound www.libermansound.com 224 Professional Bldg El Cerrito, CA  94530 510-526-5447 480, 730, BX, CR, LX series, Dragon, MR-1, MR-2 (they will not work on 250, 350, 500, 550, 700, 1000, TA-2, TA-3, TA-4, TA-4A, some are due to lack of parts availablity and other are because they are just crap to begin with) --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: > Hi Brien, > > I am in SF area and own a zx9 that needs servicing. I remember hearing about a place in el cerrito that is very good but can't remember the name of it. Would you know by chance. > > Thanks. > > Dave Madden > > Brien Stocker wrote: > Ram Vemuri wrote: > > > I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell > > XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > > (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). > > BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 > > min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. > > Welcome to Naktalk, Ram! There are many Naktalkers in N California. I > live in Stockton, most of the folks live in the SF Bay Area. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 18 00:12:21 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where In-Reply-To: <000601c60341$92f00980$e59487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, fellow Nakkers? >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >availabletape,and where >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 > >If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just the >older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can cause >the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I have >to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem with >EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of felic dans > > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best > > availabletape,and where > > > > > > Ram, > > > > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a > > better casing > > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As > > for the sound > > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell > > XLII-S and the > > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S is > > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do > > not know if > > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. > > haha. I kid . I > > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try them. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Felix > > > > > > >From: "Ram Vemuri" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best > > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 > > > > > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on > > Maxell XL-II > > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > > (paid $9.99, > > >minus mail rebate of $4). > > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple > > of 100 min > > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 18 01:47:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:47:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] More cassette tape questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A4B18C.5020305@woods-and-waters.com> Hi, RICHARD FIne wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions and help everyone, this is a great site. > I have not been able to find any "Quantegy 471" tape, but, I have run > across "Quantegy 472", each time I do a search for listing of Quantegy > tape, I get numerous formulas, but never 471, just 472. Could it have > been re-named? > No, it's only 472. I made a typo when I wrote 471. Sorry dor the confusion! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 18 03:16:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:16:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: <43A4C696.8060809@woods-and-waters.com> felic dans wrote: > I have the opportunity to purchase 2 MR-2s with gear updates and new > absolutely new heads for a grand total of 130 bux plus shipping * whatever > that is. Is it a good deal? Everything is working fine. Sure. I'd grab 'em for that price. > What is the general sound of the MR-2? is it a welcomed deck in the Nak > community despite being similar in design to the bx series? What kind of > sound should I be expecting with this deck - a mediocre sound that's a > reflection of Nak's period of cost-cutting technology, or a well-designed > machine that willboast big sound? I think it is a pro-ified BX (someone correct me if my memory is wrong), but it will still give you good sound. The Dragon and the Nak decks and CR-whatevers will beat its sound, and the Tascam 122 has a slight edge on it, but all-in-all a good deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 18 03:47:11 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:47:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A4CDAF.5050107@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, felic dans wrote: > WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I > have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 > to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like > open, airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try > a Grado after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really > "bang-for-the buck"? I came off a bit strong I fear. When I sold Ortofon I had many customers come back asking for better cartridges, but all I had was Shure, Stanton, ADC, Ortofon, AudioTechnica, Supex and AKG. The Ortofon and Stanton were the best lines I had in stock. So, I lost a lot of cartridge sales. As for myself, I enjoyed my personal VMS-30 and was excited when the new LM line came in, but was quickly disappointed by its closed-in soundstaging and lack of openness or detailed bass. My older Shure V-15 Type III could beat all the LM series easily. The OM line came in and promised to be an upgrade from the LM, but I heard no difference -- and the lower end OM had spherical styli! Even the cheapie LM-10 had an elliptical stylus! By then I’d decided to get out of selling stereo, so I was happy to bid farewell to Ortofon. Grado had just come in with cartridges when I first sold stereo and I tried to get a dealership, but couldn’t. Their products had a different sound, not hotrodded bass and treble like most 1970s cartridges, but natural -- albeit a bit odd in the context of the day. At the time their low end models were the best choices yet their top end models weren’t competitive. Grado has improved immensely over the years and has some of the best sound around at all price points. An Ortofon will beat an AudioTechnica and is definitely more open and airy in comparison to anything AudioTechnica, Shure, Pickering, or Stanton makes today. But the original question was Grado -vs - Ortofon. Grado wins. Alex Cozac wrote: > Since 1963 a loyal Ortofon fan...NOW I learn something better...will try > to get at least a "Top" Grado one maybe the Sonata or something > similarly made with wood case! Oh, well, Alex, in the 1960s and early 1970s Ortofon was definitely one of the best, especially their higher end models. But over the years I think they lost their edge. The LM series was the beginning of their lowering sound quality, I think. The OM Series continues the tradition, to make a snide remark here. In the 1970s and 1980s, I liked the VMS series very much, but today my VMS-30 sounds outdated. Great sound, and I stilll like it, but it doesn’t have the natural, lifelike, airy sound we expect today. I never liked their high output moving coils, even in the 1970s. They just seemed like they lacked detail and depth. Marc hugo wrote: > I must say after reading this that I don't know that much about modern >Ortofons (I did hear an MC3000 once and that was brilliant. .. >For a quarter of the money I >would rather pick up a second hand Goldring Eroica and have it refurbished. >Ortofon MMs - like the old 510 were not very special against some >Shures for >the same price. Yes, the MC3000 is excellent, and probably was their best sounding model. Today’s high end Ortofons are very good cartridges, don’t get me wrong, but for the same money I think far better choices exist, especially if you have a DRAGON CT turntable. I agree on the Eroica. The Goldring Eroica is one of my favorite cartridges made today. But for midrange to low end cartridges, Ortofon isn’t a good choice, and Grado’s Prestige line (named with colors) is hard to beat. Graham Nelson wrote: > What about What about the "upmarket" Ortofon OMs, the OM30 and the rare > OM40? These aren’t nasty like the OM-10 and OM-20, but they still have the confined soundstaging and give a sensation of almost being airy but not having any openness or air. As I said, you’re always kept aware that you are listening to a recording with an Ortofon OM series. -- Kermit Gray From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Dec 18 04:26:37 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:26:37 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] A Hallmark e-card from Alex References: <200512170947.jBH9lNn1429600@mail068.hallmark.com> Message-ID: <011301c60382$dc3bdba0$16ba99de@tec> Thanks Alex Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] A Hallmark e-card from Alex > > Hello! > > Alex has sent you a Hallmark e-card! To see it, just click the link > below, or copy and paste it into your browser's address line: > > http://www.hallmark.com/ECardWeb/ECV.jsp?a=4006131613391M76408606Y > > Or . you can follow these steps: > > 1. Go to our homepage at http://www.hallmark.com > 2. Choose "Free E-Cards" under the "Our Products" section. > 3. Click the link that says "Pick up an e-card." > 4. Enter your e-mail address and this number: EG4006131613391. Click > "Display Greeting," and enjoy your e-card. > > With best wishes, > Your friends at Hallmark > > Your privacy is our priority. Click the "Privacy and Security" link at the > bottom of any page on Hallmark.com to see our privacy policy. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From djmadden at pacbell.net Sun Dec 18 06:19:01 2005 From: djmadden at pacbell.net (DJMadden) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:19:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Northern California References: <20051218020719.65175.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012301c60392$8f280130$6701a8c0@DADII> Thanks for your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re: Northern California > Liberman Sound > www.libermansound.com > 224 Professional Bldg > El Cerrito, CA 94530 > 510-526-5447 > 480, 730, BX, CR, LX series, Dragon, MR-1, MR-2 > (they will not work on 250, 350, 500, 550, 700, 1000, TA-2, TA-3, > TA-4, TA-4A, some are due to lack of parts availablity and other are > because they are just crap to begin with) > --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: >> Hi Brien, >> >> I am in SF area and own a zx9 that needs servicing. I remember > hearing about a place in el cerrito that is very good but can't > remember the name of it. Would you know by chance. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dave Madden >> >> Brien Stocker wrote: >> Ram Vemuri wrote: >> >> > I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on > Maxell >> > XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for > $5.99 >> > (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). >> > BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of > 100 >> > min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was > better. >> >> Welcome to Naktalk, Ram! There are many Naktalkers in N California. > I >> live in Stockton, most of the folks live in the SF Bay Area. Where > do >> you live? >> >> Merrychristmas, >> >> Brien >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------ >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nmurray at pcug.org.au Sun Dec 18 06:53:05 2005 From: nmurray at pcug.org.au (Nick Murray) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:53:05 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 back from the dead :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A4F941.10106@pcug.org.au> Hi all, Just a quick update...my 580 had a blown "stop" light, and after replacing it with a resistor, my old friend is back from the dead. Thanks to Felix, Thomas, David Thompson and others for their help and advice. Now please excuse me, as I have to go and get some Nak 580 lovin' :) :) :) cheerio Nick From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Dec 18 09:55:51 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:55:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] More cassette tape questions Message-ID: Hi Richard, The Quantegy 472 is the one - it's a classy super-chrome cassette tape for 70uS recording of music sources. It's easy to mix up the Quantegy numbers - specially if you work with the R2R tapes too. Quarter inch R2R - Quantegy 406; 407 and 456 formulas Half inch R2R - Quantegy 456; 499 (premium); GP9 (superpremium) and 406 One inch R2R - Quantegy 456,499, 407, 406 2 Inch R2R - 456, 499, GP9 5000 feet of 2" runs 66 minutes at 15ips!! A virgin run of 499 will set you back UK Sterling 300.00. Cheers - Marc >>> rich_121 at msn.com 12/17/2005 10:13:11 PM >>> Thanks for all the suggestions and help everyone, this is a great site. I have not been able to find any "Quantegy 471" tape, but, I have run across "Quantegy 472", each time I do a search for listing of Quantegy tape, I get numerous formulas, but never 471, just 472. Could it have been re-named? Thanks for all the help! Richard The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ktl at bornet.net Sun Dec 18 11:59:58 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:59:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Litterature added Message-ID: I have added the folowing litterature: Nakamichi 550 brochure Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis High Fidelitys review of the BX1
Thanks to Bob (viking747) With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Dec 18 12:37:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:37:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where Message-ID: Dear Felix! IF...& only IF...your Dragon WAS NEVER touched by any technician as is mine...,from the factory in Japan was OPTIMISED for TDK SA-X cassette Made in Japan!!!!! Happy listening! ALEX! >From: "felic dans" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >availabletape,and where >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:21 -0500 > >I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, fellow >Nakkers? > > > > >>From: "Nelson" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>availabletape,and where >>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 >> >>If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just the >>older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can cause >>the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I have >>to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem with >>EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. >> >>Gra' >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of felic dans >> > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >> > availabletape,and where >> > >> > >> > Ram, >> > >> > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a >> > better casing >> > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As >> > for the sound >> > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell >> > XLII-S and the >> > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S is >> > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do >> > not know if >> > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. >> > haha. I kid . I >> > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try them. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Felix >> > >> > >> > >From: "Ram Vemuri" >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >> > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 >> > > >> > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on >> > Maxell XL-II >> > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 >> > (paid $9.99, >> > >minus mail rebate of $4). >> > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple >> > of 100 min >> > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sfh at westlands43.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 18 12:38:26 2005 From: sfh at westlands43.freeserve.co.uk (Home) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:38:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport the same as 680's? Message-ID: <001801c603c7$904516e0$078e4c51@home> Merry Christmas everyone! I have just got *another* Nak :-) a 680ZX. Nothing wrong with it, but I was just wondering if a 581 transport would slot straight in if needed, as I also have a 581 that could be used for spares for the 680 one day maybe... Cheers, Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Dec 18 13:06:17 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:06:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where Message-ID: Heh Heh!!! Unlike Heidi Klum and Anna Kournikova, here you can have both. Nearly as tough to get, but less expensive and much longer lasting. Both are wonderful media to show off your high-end decks, especially in Nakland. SA-X is a particulalry good match for Nak but there are many variables. With no Dolby on a Nak, I would choose XLII-S (and indeed in the majority of situations). SA-X is a double-layered tape, very quiet, highly resistent to print-through and an enormous dynamic range - better than most metals!! This makes it a splendid choice for classical music. Maxell is possibly better for jazz, pop, new age, blues and rock. I use both, thus avoiding the painful choice. Let's see how the rest feel........... Marc >>> katcadillac321 at hotmail.com 12/18/2005 1:12:21 AM >>> I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, fellow Nakkers? >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >availabletape,and where >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 > >If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just the >older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can cause >the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I have >to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem with >EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of felic dans > > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best > > availabletape,and where > > > > > > Ram, > > > > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a > > better casing > > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As > > for the sound > > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell > > XLII-S and the > > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S is > > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do > > not know if > > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. > > haha. I kid . I > > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try them. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Felix > > > > > > >From: "Ram Vemuri" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best > > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 > > > > > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on > > Maxell XL-II > > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > > (paid $9.99, > > >minus mail rebate of $4). > > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple > > of 100 min > > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 18 14:58:13 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:58:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E stops playing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A56AF5.5090106@rcn.com> John Chapman wrote: > I have a BX 300E which works real nice, except when it stops in palay > mode. A loop of tape about 2 inches long shows after the 2nd capstan. > What happens is the take up reel stops, the tape feeds for a second, > then the deck shuts off. Its either a fault with the take up reel motor > - this drives both reels - or perhaps dirt. Should the plastic gears > from the motor to the take up reel be lubricated, or not? > > Anyone else had this problem. Have stripped everything down but can't > see very much dirt or alignment problems and all the gears are intact - > no broken or damaged teeth. Could the motor have and intermittent fault? If your BX-300 has a gear (rather than a rubber wheel) idler, your problem is most likely the reel motor. Measure the voltage at the motor lugs when playing the beginning of a C-60 cassette. It should be about 3V, at which point the motor should be producing a torque of about 50 g-cm. The voltage is adjustable through VR601, located on the main PCB. If the voltage is correct but the torque isn't, the reel motor should be replaced. You can try rebuilding it, but success rate isn't very high... -- Ron From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 18 16:18:38 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:18:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A4CDAF.5050107@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Kermit. Are you still selling anything related to stereo at all? Home-based if not store-front? Primarily internet? Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:47:11 -0600 > >Hi Guys, > >felic dans wrote: > > WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I > > have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 > > to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like > > open, airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try > > a Grado after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really > > "bang-for-the buck"? > >I came off a bit strong I fear. When I sold Ortofon I had many customers >come back asking for better cartridges, but all I had was Shure, Stanton, >ADC, Ortofon, AudioTechnica, Supex and AKG. The Ortofon and Stanton were >the best lines I had in stock. So, I lost a lot of cartridge sales. As for >myself, I enjoyed my personal VMS-30 and was excited when the new LM line >came in, but was quickly disappointed by its closed-in soundstaging and >lack of openness or detailed bass. My older Shure V-15 Type III could beat >all the LM series easily. The OM line came in and promised to be an upgrade >from the LM, but I heard no difference -- and the lower end OM had >spherical styli! Even the cheapie LM-10 had an elliptical stylus! By then >I�d decided to get out of selling stereo, so I was happy to bid farewell to >Ortofon. > >Grado had just come in with cartridges when I first sold stereo and I tried >to get a dealership, but couldn�t. Their products had a different sound, >not hotrodded bass and treble like most 1970s cartridges, but natural -- >albeit a bit odd in the context of the day. At the time their low end >models were the best choices yet their top end models weren�t competitive. >Grado has improved immensely over the years and has some of the best sound >around at all price points. > >An Ortofon will beat an AudioTechnica and is definitely more open and airy >in comparison to anything AudioTechnica, Shure, Pickering, or Stanton makes >today. But the original question was Grado -vs - Ortofon. Grado wins. > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > Since 1963 a loyal Ortofon fan...NOW I learn something better...will try > > to get at least a "Top" Grado one maybe the Sonata or something > > similarly made with wood case! > >Oh, well, Alex, in the 1960s and early 1970s Ortofon was definitely one of >the best, especially their higher end models. But over the years I think >they lost their edge. The LM series was the beginning of their lowering >sound quality, I think. The OM Series continues the tradition, to make a >snide remark here. > >In the 1970s and 1980s, I liked the VMS series very much, but today my >VMS-30 sounds outdated. Great sound, and I stilll like it, but it doesn�t >have the natural, lifelike, airy sound we expect today. I never liked their >high output moving coils, even in the 1970s. They just seemed like they >lacked detail and depth. > >Marc hugo wrote: > > I must say after reading this that I don't know that much about modern > >Ortofons (I did hear an MC3000 once and that was brilliant. .. > >For a quarter of the money I > >would rather pick up a second hand Goldring Eroica and have it >refurbished. > >Ortofon MMs - like the old 510 were not very special against some >Shures >for > >the same price. > >Yes, the MC3000 is excellent, and probably was their best sounding model. >Today�s high end Ortofons are very good cartridges, don�t get me wrong, but >for the same money I think far better choices exist, especially if you have >a DRAGON CT turntable. I agree on the Eroica. The Goldring Eroica is one >of my favorite cartridges made today. > >But for midrange to low end cartridges, Ortofon isn�t a good choice, and >Grado�s Prestige line (named with colors) is hard to beat. > >Graham Nelson wrote: > > What about What about the "upmarket" Ortofon OMs, the OM30 and the rare > > OM40? > >These aren�t nasty like the OM-10 and OM-20, but they still have the >confined soundstaging and give a sensation of almost being airy but not >having any openness or air. As I said, you�re always kept aware that you >are listening to a recording with an Ortofon OM series. > >-- >Kermit Gray > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 18 16:25:29 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:25:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So what's re-configured to play Maxell XLII-S in that case? Is it user-adjustable? azimuth ? waht is it that needs to be tinkered with to switch from TDK factory preset to Maxell XLIIs successfully? Felix >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >tape,and where >Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:37:07 +0000 > >Dear Felix! > >IF...& only IF...your Dragon WAS NEVER touched by any technician as is >mine...,from the factory in Japan was OPTIMISED for TDK SA-X cassette Made >in Japan!!!!! > >Happy listening! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "felic dans" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>availabletape,and where >>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:21 -0500 >> >>I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, >>fellow Nakkers? >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Nelson" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>availabletape,and where >>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 >>> >>>If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just >>>the >>>older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can >>>cause >>>the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I >>>have >>>to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem >>>with >>>EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> > Behalf Of felic dans >>> > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 >>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>> > availabletape,and where >>> > >>> > >>> > Ram, >>> > >>> > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a >>> > better casing >>> > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As >>> > for the sound >>> > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell >>> > XLII-S and the >>> > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S is >>> > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do >>> > not know if >>> > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. >>> > haha. I kid . I >>> > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try >>>them. >>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>> > >>> > Felix >>> > >>> > >>> > >From: "Ram Vemuri" >>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>> > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 >>> > > >>> > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on >>> > Maxell XL-II >>> > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 >>> > (paid $9.99, >>> > >minus mail rebate of $4). >>> > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple >>> > of 100 min >>> > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 18 19:29:04 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:29:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Att Nakkers: Nakamichi DR Series - Wanted!!!! Message-ID: Hello everyone of the Nak community, I am looking to buy a Nakamichi dr series deck - dr-1, dr-10, dr-3, dr-8. Anyone who has those decks and wishes to sell, please let me know by emailing me at: felixyeung70 at hotmail.com Please include the model number, the asking price and some pictures if you can. ONLY EXCELLENT condition decks are welcomed. I am not looking for scarred-up faceplates, dented corners or chassis. So please, be serious about it's current functional and cosmetic condition. Thank You for your interest, Felix Yeung fellow Nakker felixyeung70 at hotmail.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 18 20:27:52 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:27:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A5B838.3090507@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, felic dans wrote: > I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, > fellow Nakkers? My take: overall, it's a tie. Naks were designed and calibrated for TDK, so for older Naks or the Dragon, TDK SA-X. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From modernizy at netscape.net Sun Dec 18 20:58:39 2005 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:58:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C7D22492CB091E-1A70-180B7@mblkn-m16.sysops.aol.com> George, Thank you very much for your reference to me on NR-200 manuals, but to make matters perfectly clear, our gratitude should be given to a man who actually scan the manuals and place them on Wouter's ftp site from where I downloaded them when this service was available. Probably, Wouter knows the actual 'author' (or he is the one himself :-)) ) With the best wishes to all Nak-friends, Nick. -----Original Message----- From: george valkov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:48:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added Tomas, Thanks for the mention, bu the actual credit for the NR-200 manuals should go to Nick from Russia who sent them to me. George On 12/17/05, Tomas Larsson wrote: > I Have added the following items: > > 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 "Gold" > LTD 1000ZXL deck > Thanks to Alex Cozac. > > Dragon Brochure. > Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. > > Owners and Service Manual for NR200 > Thanks to George Valkov. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > For you that are experiencing problems with ftp-upload, you could either > email me the files, if smaller than about 5 meg, or if they are larger use > the free service www.yousendit.com > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:38 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added I Have added the following items: 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 "Gold" LTD 1000ZXL deck Thanks to Alex Cozac. Dragon Brochure. Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. Owners and Service Manual for NR200 Thanks to George Valkov. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. 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Cheers - Marc >>> rich_121 at msn.com 12/17/2005 10:13:11 PM >>> Thanks for all the suggestions and help everyone, this is a great site. I have not been able to find any "Quantegy 471" tape, but, I have run across "Quantegy 472", each time I do a search for listing of Quantegy tape, I get numerous formulas, but never 471, just 472. Could it have been re-named? Thanks for all the help! Richard The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 05:02:41 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:02:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A4CDAF.5050107@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20051219040241.2701.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, How about the Stanton 881 Mk II or 987LZ series of carts from Stanton? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel:065-6584-2479 "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Guys, felic dans wrote: > WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I > have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 > to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like > open, airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try > a Grado after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really > "bang-for-the buck"? I came off a bit strong I fear. When I sold Ortofon I had many customers come back asking for better cartridges, but all I had was Shure, Stanton, ADC, Ortofon, AudioTechnica, Supex and AKG. The Ortofon and Stanton were the best lines I had in stock. So, I lost a lot of cartridge sales. As for myself, I enjoyed my personal VMS-30 and was excited when the new LM line came in, but was quickly disappointed by its closed-in soundstaging and lack of openness or detailed bass. My older Shure V-15 Type III could beat all the LM series easily. The OM line came in and promised to be an upgrade from the LM, but I heard no difference -- and the lower end OM had spherical styli! Even the cheapie LM-10 had an elliptical stylus! By then I’d decided to get out of selling stereo, so I was happy to bid farewell to Ortofon. Grado had just come in with cartridges when I first sold stereo and I tried to get a dealership, but couldn’t. Their products had a different sound, not hotrodded bass and treble like most 1970s cartridges, but natural -- albeit a bit odd in the context of the day. At the time their low end models were the best choices yet their top end models weren’t competitive. Grado has improved immensely over the years and has some of the best sound around at all price points. An Ortofon will beat an AudioTechnica and is definitely more open and airy in comparison to anything AudioTechnica, Shure, Pickering, or Stanton makes today. But the original question was Grado -vs - Ortofon. Grado wins. Alex Cozac wrote: > Since 1963 a loyal Ortofon fan...NOW I learn something better...will try > to get at least a "Top" Grado one maybe the Sonata or something > similarly made with wood case! Oh, well, Alex, in the 1960s and early 1970s Ortofon was definitely one of the best, especially their higher end models. But over the years I think they lost their edge. The LM series was the beginning of their lowering sound quality, I think. The OM Series continues the tradition, to make a snide remark here. In the 1970s and 1980s, I liked the VMS series very much, but today my VMS-30 sounds outdated. Great sound, and I stilll like it, but it doesn’t have the natural, lifelike, airy sound we expect today. I never liked their high output moving coils, even in the 1970s. They just seemed like they lacked detail and depth. Marc hugo wrote: > I must say after reading this that I don't know that much about modern >Ortofons (I did hear an MC3000 once and that was brilliant. .. >For a quarter of the money I >would rather pick up a second hand Goldring Eroica and have it refurbished. >Ortofon MMs - like the old 510 were not very special against some >Shures for >the same price. Yes, the MC3000 is excellent, and probably was their best sounding model. Today’s high end Ortofons are very good cartridges, don’t get me wrong, but for the same money I think far better choices exist, especially if you have a DRAGON CT turntable. I agree on the Eroica. The Goldring Eroica is one of my favorite cartridges made today. But for midrange to low end cartridges, Ortofon isn’t a good choice, and Grado’s Prestige line (named with colors) is hard to beat. Graham Nelson wrote: > What about What about the "upmarket" Ortofon OMs, the OM30 and the rare > OM40? These aren’t nasty like the OM-10 and OM-20, but they still have the confined soundstaging and give a sensation of almost being airy but not having any openness or air. As I said, you’re always kept aware that you are listening to a recording with an Ortofon OM series. -- Kermit Gray ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 05:32:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:32:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where Message-ID: Hi Felix! You "Complicate" yourself beyond the limits!!!! The "Inside" pots...don't needed really to be touch/moved, you have "Level & Bias" externally knobs...in "SX" position, press the EQ to 70 and the recording "Centrally located" SX put your Dragon on "REC & Hold" after that you load your Maxell XLll-S acquired cassette...push Play the RED Recording indicator & the GREEN play indicator goes on...and the heads/pinch rollers engaged, the RED light azimuth aldo goes on...press first "Level" button...move the "Level 2 knobs very slowly till the red bars goes up to "0" db...wait a little and recheck that still in "0" db...will flick some times, that is normal...after a few seconds that IS ALWAYS in "0" db, press the "Bias"...wait till the AZIMUTH ARROW...STOPS FLICKING...and move the two knobs behind "Level" till ALSO reach "0" db...wait and check patiently till still the two vars "0" db...after a while press "RESET"...button, the "Calibration Process" stops...the tape returns to the beginning...and you are "Set Up"...for record your favorite music. Now...you press Rec>Hold buttons together...press the "Source/Tape" small button on the "Right" UP side of the deck....play your selected music to be recorded, first as "I DO IT"... the two small knobs behind "Master" bigger one till the RIGHT end...the "Master" bigger knob set up at the beginning the the "Middle"...such 3 knobs are the level or gain/volume for the recording process, the last small one is the "Output" one...the volume/gain that you will hear trough headphones/speakers THE RECORDED CASSETTE. So...for your selected Maxell XLll-S cassette you can go up till + 5 DB recording volume, safely! If you want to use any Dolby NR b or C first press the Dolby IN/OUT small button, and "NO" pressing the button with "B" & "C" engraved is DOLBY B...press and you set up to DOLBY C. I really hope Felix...that my bad English will be easily comprehended/understudied!!! Write us your final results...please! Happy enjoyment with your Dragon! ALEX! >From: "felic dans" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >tape,and where >Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:25:29 -0500 > >So what's re-configured to play Maxell XLII-S in that case? Is it >user-adjustable? azimuth ? waht is it that needs to be tinkered with to >switch from TDK factory preset to Maxell XLIIs successfully? > >Felix > > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >>tape,and where >>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:37:07 +0000 >> >>Dear Felix! >> >>IF...& only IF...your Dragon WAS NEVER touched by any technician as is >>mine...,from the factory in Japan was OPTIMISED for TDK SA-X cassette Made >>in Japan!!!!! >> >>Happy listening! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "felic dans" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>availabletape,and where >>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:21 -0500 >>> >>>I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, >>>fellow Nakkers? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Nelson" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>availabletape,and where >>>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 >>>> >>>>If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just >>>>the >>>>older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can >>>>cause >>>>the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I >>>>have >>>>to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem >>>>with >>>>EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. >>>> >>>>Gra' >>>> >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> > Behalf Of felic dans >>>> > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 >>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>> > availabletape,and where >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Ram, >>>> > >>>> > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a >>>> > better casing >>>> > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As >>>> > for the sound >>>> > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell >>>> > XLII-S and the >>>> > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S >>>>is >>>> > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do >>>> > not know if >>>> > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. >>>> > haha. I kid . I >>>> > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try >>>>them. >>>> > >>>> > Sincerely, >>>> > >>>> > Felix >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >From: "Ram Vemuri" >>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>> > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 >>>> > > >>>> > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on >>>> > Maxell XL-II >>>> > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 >>>> > (paid $9.99, >>>> > >minus mail rebate of $4). >>>> > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple >>>> > of 100 min >>>> > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Dec 19 08:33:17 2005 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:33:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added References: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com> <8C7D22492CB091E-1A70-180B7@mblkn-m16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c6046e$7ab7fe30$53f66391@p4c800e> Hi Guys, if you have for me an account on the ftp site i can upload all the manuals i have scanned for Naktalk. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: modernizy at netscape.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added George, Thank you very much for your reference to me on NR-200 manuals, but to make matters perfectly clear, our gratitude should be given to a man who actually scan the manuals and place them on Wouter's ftp site from where I downloaded them when this service was available. Probably, Wouter knows the actual 'author' (or he is the one himself :-)) ) With the best wishes to all Nak-friends, Nick. -----Original Message----- From: george valkov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:48:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added Tomas, Thanks for the mention, bu the actual credit for the NR-200 manuals should go to Nick from Russia who sent them to me. George On 12/17/05, Tomas Larsson wrote: > I Have added the following items: > > 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 "Gold" > LTD 1000ZXL deck > Thanks to Alex Cozac. > > Dragon Brochure. > Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. > > Owners and Service Manual for NR200 > Thanks to George Valkov. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > For you that are experiencing problems with ftp-upload, you could either > email me the files, if smaller than about 5 meg, or if they are larger use > the free service www.yousendit.com > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! 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At the moment I am up to my ears in an 'XJS' rebuild and that sucks up most of my spare cash..(even worse than the wife!!).. and I still have to pay for my 680ZX repairs.. if it ever comes back! Hope your Son is enjoying his trip around NZ.. this is a great place to live ( and to visit).. but I am one eyed in that respect! Bala, As you say... it is the electronic complexity of the top eschelon Naks that really scares me, and hence why I will probably decline from owning a ZXL. My top deck is a ZX-7 and I will call it quits there as far as climbing up the Nak ladder is concerned: my ascent up the Nak ladder being directly proportional to hearing loss with age, thus by the time I could get a 1000ZXL, I'll be too deaf to appreciate it :o). cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 14:43:27 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:43:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the advice. I've done the recommendations and all is successful. The sound is much more precise and cleaner with the Maxell XLII-S after the adjustments. Now, that i've played with this. I want to play with something else. Metal tapes perhaps? Any suggestions? I am all ears. Felix >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >tape,and where >Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:32:42 +0000 > >Hi Felix! > >You "Complicate" yourself beyond the limits!!!! > >The "Inside" pots...don't needed really to be touch/moved, you have "Level >& Bias" externally knobs...in "SX" position, press the EQ to 70 and the >recording "Centrally located" SX put your Dragon on "REC & Hold" after that >you load your Maxell XLll-S acquired cassette...push Play the RED Recording >indicator & the GREEN play indicator goes on...and the heads/pinch rollers >engaged, the RED light azimuth aldo goes on...press first "Level" >button...move the "Level 2 knobs very slowly till the red bars goes up to >"0" db...wait a little and recheck that still in "0" db...will flick some >times, that is normal...after a few seconds that IS ALWAYS in "0" db, press >the "Bias"...wait till the AZIMUTH ARROW...STOPS FLICKING...and move the >two knobs behind "Level" till ALSO reach "0" db...wait and check patiently >till still the two vars "0" db...after a while press "RESET"...button, the >"Calibration Process" stops...the tape returns to the beginning...and you >are "Set Up"...for record your favorite music. > >Now...you press Rec>Hold buttons together...press the "Source/Tape" small >button on the "Right" UP side of the deck....play your selected music to be >recorded, first as "I DO IT"... the two small knobs behind "Master" bigger >one till the RIGHT end...the "Master" bigger knob set up at the beginning >the the "Middle"...such 3 knobs are the level or gain/volume for the >recording process, the last small one is the "Output" one...the volume/gain >that you will hear trough headphones/speakers THE RECORDED CASSETTE. >So...for your selected Maxell XLll-S cassette you can go up till + 5 DB >recording volume, safely! If you want to use any Dolby NR b or C first >press the Dolby IN/OUT small button, and "NO" pressing the button with "B" >& "C" engraved is DOLBY B...press and you set up to DOLBY C. > >I really hope Felix...that my bad English will be easily >comprehended/understudied!!! > >Write us your final results...please! > >Happy enjoyment with your Dragon! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "felic dans" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >>tape,and where >>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:25:29 -0500 >> >>So what's re-configured to play Maxell XLII-S in that case? Is it >>user-adjustable? azimuth ? waht is it that needs to be tinkered with to >>switch from TDK factory preset to Maxell XLIIs successfully? >> >>Felix >> >> >>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >>>tape,and where >>>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:37:07 +0000 >>> >>>Dear Felix! >>> >>>IF...& only IF...your Dragon WAS NEVER touched by any technician as is >>>mine...,from the factory in Japan was OPTIMISED for TDK SA-X cassette >>>Made in Japan!!!!! >>> >>>Happy listening! >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "felic dans" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>availabletape,and where >>>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:21 -0500 >>>> >>>>I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, >>>>fellow Nakkers? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Nelson" >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>>availabletape,and where >>>>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 >>>>> >>>>>If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just >>>>>the >>>>>older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can >>>>>cause >>>>>the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I >>>>>have >>>>>to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem >>>>>with >>>>>EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. >>>>> >>>>>Gra' >>>>> >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>> > Behalf Of felic dans >>>>> > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 >>>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>> > availabletape,and where >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Ram, >>>>> > >>>>> > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a >>>>> > better casing >>>>> > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As >>>>> > for the sound >>>>> > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell >>>>> > XLII-S and the >>>>> > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S >>>>>is >>>>> > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do >>>>> > not know if >>>>> > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. >>>>> > haha. I kid . I >>>>> > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try >>>>>them. >>>>> > >>>>> > Sincerely, >>>>> > >>>>> > Felix >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >From: "Ram Vemuri" >>>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>> > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 >>>>> > > >>>>> > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on >>>>> > Maxell XL-II >>>>> > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 >>>>> > (paid $9.99, >>>>> > >minus mail rebate of $4). >>>>> > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple >>>>> > of 100 min >>>>> > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was >>>>>better. >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ktl at bornet.net Mon Dec 19 15:31:06 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:31:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: <003201c6046e$7ab7fe30$53f66391@p4c800e> Message-ID: Just anonymous login. It seems thou that IE has problems with my FTP server. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free http://www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added Hi Guys, if you have for me an account on the ftp site i can upload all the manuals i have scanned for Naktalk. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: modernizy at netscape.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added George, Thank you very much for your reference to me on NR-200 manuals, but to make matters perfectly clear, our gratitude should be given to a man who actually scan the manuals and place them on Wouter's ftp site from where I downloaded them when this service was available. Probably, Wouter knows the actual 'author' (or he is the one himself :-)) ) With the best wishes to all Nak-friends, Nick. -----Original Message----- From: george valkov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:48:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added Tomas, Thanks for the mention, bu the actual credit for the NR-200 manuals should go to Nick from Russia who sent them to me. George On 12/17/05, Tomas Larsson > wrote: > I Have added the following items: > > 1000ZXL Brochure and "Audio" magazine the review on the $:8,000.00 "Gold" > LTD 1000ZXL deck > Thanks to Alex Cozac. > > Dragon Brochure. > Thanks to Stelios Kastanakis. > > Owners and Service Manual for NR200 > Thanks to George Valkov. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. > > For you that are experiencing problems with ftp-upload, you could either > email me the files, if smaller than about 5 meg, or if they are larger use > the free service www.yousendit.com > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 15:42:00 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:42:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: References: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219093403.01b601e0@psulias.psu.edu> I've used Ortofon OM-40 Gold and X3-MC. Found both to be very good, the OM particularly with rock music, awesome bass and real vibrance and energy. Now, the OM-40 Gold was about $399 back in 1985 (I got it for $99 from a local dealer who got a dozen by mistake) and the replacement stylus is about $250 as I recall. I've used other styli on the OM, including the 14, 20 and 30, and they are considerably worse than the 40 stylus. The 30 is good, the other two are passable but certainly nothing special for anyone looking for more than just the ability to play records. The X3-MC I thought had a very nice sound to it. I thought it was pretty open and had good soundstaging. Ortofons do tend to be a bit technical in their presentation though. At 07:05 PM 12/16/2005, felic dans wrote: >WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I >have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 >to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like open, >airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try a Grado >after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really >"bang-for-the buck"? > >Felix > >>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 >> >>Hi Felix >> >>felic dans wrote: >>>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like >>>to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. >> >>Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >>LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. >> >>Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >>perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more >>open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and >>seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands >>are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because >>it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage >>then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I >>was always aware that even though it sounded quite good something was >>quite lacking. >>Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >>soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >>the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. >> >>Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >>recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're >>listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. >> >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 19 16:56:40 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:56:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: <8C7D22492CB091E-1A70-180B7@mblkn-m16.sysops.aol.com> References: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com> <8C7D22492CB091E-1A70-180B7@mblkn-m16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43A6D838.1000909@xs4all.nl> Well... Way back in 2000 (almost 6 jears ago!) Norman scanned the NR-200 service manual and I scanned the NR-200 international owners manual.. had to check the archives for this one :-) Wouter modernizy at netscape.net wrote: > Thank you very much for your reference to me on NR-200 manuals, but to > make matters perfectly clear, our gratitude should be given to a man > who actually scan the manuals and place them on Wouter's ftp site from > where I downloaded them when this service was available. Probably, > Wouter knows the actual 'author' (or he is the one himself :-)) ) From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 15:48:51 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:48:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Onkyo Integra TA-2090 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219094758.01b5a2e0@psulias.psu.edu> Just managed to pick up a dbx 228 (NR/DR expander) for the CR-5. We'll see how these two match up. Hopefully they'll both get here while I'm on vacation so I have something to play with. :) At 02:35 AM 12/17/2005, Marc hugo wrote: >Top of the line Onkyo with their neat slim-line styling. It packed all >their know-how into one machine so if all the things are functioning, then >it won't disappoint. I personally would prefer a silver-face retro (for >today) 2058 for my collection. I think of them as the Volvo's of the >eighties cassette decks - solid and dependable. Even the entry level >units were durable and performed very well. Tape traders liked them >because they could take the "mileage". > >Marc > > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 12/16/2005 9:47:42 PM >>> >Just picked up one of these dirt cheat ($60) in supposedly fully >functioning condition. >Was one of the contestants in a great tape deck shootout in Audio Review >with the Dragon and as I recall, faired very well. 3 head, 3 motor DD, >auto cal., dbx hx pro, capable of 20-22K with 90db S/N. We'll see! I >figured it's worth a flyer for that amount, and it can easily be turned >around on ebay for at least double that. > >Anyone have a cheap dbx II unit (like <$50) they are looking to get rid >of? Figure I'll hook that up to the CR-5 and see how it sounds. > >Also had a TEAC 888X for dirt cheap too, but couldn;t find any specifics on >that one. Any one know about this evidently pretty good unit? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 15:54:22 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:54:22 -0500 Subject: [SPAM *10.500] Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best availabletape, and where In-Reply-To: References: <43A35583.2040801@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219095222.01b9d8d8@psulias.psu.edu> XLII is very good. I find the IIS can take a little bit more signal without distortion and has a very nice, warm sound to it. Acutally I like the XLII for car use since it has a little harder sound to it, which is good when trying to listen over the car noise. At 04:19 AM 12/17/2005, Ram Vemuri wrote: >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on Maxell >XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 (paid >$9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 min >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. > > >Best Regards, >-- Ram Vemuri >(ramvem at hotmail.com) From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 16:13:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:13:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available tape, and where Message-ID: Hi Felix! Makes me very happy that you are glad with such lovely deck. Regarding "Metal"...cassettes, I really "HATE"...them...so I'm NOT the guy which can response you in this matter...Sorry! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "felic dans" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >tape,and where >Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:43:27 -0500 > > >Thanks for the advice. I've done the recommendations and all is successful. >The sound is much more precise and cleaner with the Maxell XLII-S after the >adjustments. Now, that i've played with this. I want to play with something >else. Metal tapes perhaps? Any suggestions? I am all ears. > >Felix > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >>tape,and where >>Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:32:42 +0000 >> >>Hi Felix! >> >>You "Complicate" yourself beyond the limits!!!! >> >>The "Inside" pots...don't needed really to be touch/moved, you have "Level >>& Bias" externally knobs...in "SX" position, press the EQ to 70 and the >>recording "Centrally located" SX put your Dragon on "REC & Hold" after >>that you load your Maxell XLll-S acquired cassette...push Play the RED >>Recording indicator & the GREEN play indicator goes on...and the >>heads/pinch rollers engaged, the RED light azimuth aldo goes on...press >>first "Level" button...move the "Level 2 knobs very slowly till the red >>bars goes up to "0" db...wait a little and recheck that still in "0" >>db...will flick some times, that is normal...after a few seconds that IS >>ALWAYS in "0" db, press the "Bias"...wait till the AZIMUTH ARROW...STOPS >>FLICKING...and move the two knobs behind "Level" till ALSO reach "0" >>db...wait and check patiently till still the two vars "0" db...after a >>while press "RESET"...button, the "Calibration Process" stops...the tape >>returns to the beginning...and you are "Set Up"...for record your favorite >>music. >> >>Now...you press Rec>Hold buttons together...press the "Source/Tape" small >>button on the "Right" UP side of the deck....play your selected music to >>be recorded, first as "I DO IT"... the two small knobs behind "Master" >>bigger one till the RIGHT end...the "Master" bigger knob set up at the >>beginning the the "Middle"...such 3 knobs are the level or gain/volume for >>the recording process, the last small one is the "Output" one...the >>volume/gain that you will hear trough headphones/speakers THE RECORDED >>CASSETTE. >>So...for your selected Maxell XLll-S cassette you can go up till + 5 DB >>recording volume, safely! If you want to use any Dolby NR b or C first >>press the Dolby IN/OUT small button, and "NO" pressing the button with "B" >>& "C" engraved is DOLBY B...press and you set up to DOLBY C. >> >>I really hope Felix...that my bad English will be easily >>comprehended/understudied!!! >> >>Write us your final results...please! >> >>Happy enjoyment with your Dragon! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "felic dans" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best available >>>tape,and where >>>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:25:29 -0500 >>> >>>So what's re-configured to play Maxell XLII-S in that case? Is it >>>user-adjustable? azimuth ? waht is it that needs to be tinkered with to >>>switch from TDK factory preset to Maxell XLIIs successfully? >>> >>>Felix >>> >>> >>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>available tape,and where >>>>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:37:07 +0000 >>>> >>>>Dear Felix! >>>> >>>>IF...& only IF...your Dragon WAS NEVER touched by any technician as is >>>>mine...,from the factory in Japan was OPTIMISED for TDK SA-X cassette >>>>Made in Japan!!!!! >>>> >>>>Happy listening! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "felic dans" >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>>availabletape,and where >>>>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:21 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>I know this is a never-ending debate, but Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X, >>>>>fellow Nakkers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "Nelson" >>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>>>availabletape,and where >>>>>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:39:19 -0000 >>>>>> >>>>>>If you try TDK SA-X don't bother with the European made ones, use just >>>>>>the >>>>>>older ones made in Japan, as the former have inferior cases that can >>>>>>cause >>>>>>the tape to slightly misalign. When I tune my ZX-9 for these tapes I >>>>>>have >>>>>>to alter the azimuth between sides A and B. I don't have this problem >>>>>>with >>>>>>EMTEC/BASF or Maxell, nor my Japanese made MA-XGs. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gra' >>>>>> >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>>> > Behalf Of felic dans >>>>>> > Sent: 17 December 2005 11:34 >>>>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>>> > availabletape,and where >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Ram, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I personally prefer the Maxell XLII-s simply because it has a >>>>>> > better casing >>>>>> > that has a nice graphite texture and is more solid overall. As >>>>>> > for the sound >>>>>> > quality, I do not really hear a difference between the Maxell >>>>>> > XLII-S and the >>>>>> > regular Maxell XLII. I would like to believe that the MAxell XLII-S >>>>>>is >>>>>> > superior in every which way since I bought a case of 200. I do >>>>>> > not know if >>>>>> > jesus will let me in through his gates with all those tapes. >>>>>> > haha. I kid . I >>>>>> > kid. Have you tried TDK SA-X? I've not had the opportunity to try >>>>>>them. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sincerely, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Felix >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >From: "Ram Vemuri" >>>>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just purchased NAK Dragon, which is best >>>>>> > >availabletape,and where Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:19:06 -0800 >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >I live in northern California, in USA. Walgreens has a sale on >>>>>> > Maxell XL-II >>>>>> > >(not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 >>>>>> > (paid $9.99, >>>>>> > >minus mail rebate of $4). >>>>>> > >BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple >>>>>> > of 100 min >>>>>> > >xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was >>>>>>better. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 16:19:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:19:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: Hello Derrick! Amazing...as I NEVER read or hear any think on OM-40 GOLD, I own one OM Super body with two stylus, the 30 & 40...the two for my 63 hears old sound the same...today; since 3 years I stick on MC type Ortofon the TOP of the whole line named Jubilee. Sounds lovely fitted on my reliable Rega RB-300 arm. Happy listening, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:42:00 -0500 > >I've used Ortofon OM-40 Gold and X3-MC. >Found both to be very good, the OM particularly with rock music, awesome >bass and real vibrance and energy. Now, the OM-40 Gold was about $399 back >in 1985 (I got it for $99 from a local dealer who got a dozen by mistake) >and the replacement stylus is about $250 as I recall. I've used other >styli on the OM, including the 14, 20 and 30, and they are considerably >worse than the 40 stylus. The 30 is good, the other two are passable but >certainly nothing special for anyone looking for more than just the ability >to play records. >The X3-MC I thought had a very nice sound to it. I thought it was pretty >open and had good soundstaging. Ortofons do tend to be a bit technical in >their presentation though. > > >At 07:05 PM 12/16/2005, felic dans wrote: > >>WOW. I am truly shocked that you have such a gripe against ortofons. I >>have yet to try the Grado, but i've not really compared my Ortofon om 20 >>to anything else other than a measily audio technica cheapo. I like open, >>airy sound with "warmness" in the mid-range. I am inclined to try a Grado >>after your thoughts on them. any one in particular that's really >>"bang-for-the buck"? >> >>Felix >> >>>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>>Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>>Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >>>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 >>> >>>Hi Felix >>> >>>felic dans wrote: >>>>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like >>>>to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. >>> >>>Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >>>LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. >>> >>>Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >>>perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more >>>open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and >>>seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands >>>are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because >>>it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage >>>then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I >>>was always aware that even though it sounded quite good something was >>>quite lacking. >>>Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >>>soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >>>the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. >>> >>>Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >>>recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're >>>listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Dec 19 17:11:08 2005 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:11:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added References: <518b7b10512170748g2849c0eai4654f249c191f839@mail.gmail.com><8C7D22492CB091E-1A70-180B7@mblkn-m16.sysops.aol.com> <43A6D838.1000909@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000701c604b6$d2460140$53f66391@p4c800e> Today i've uploaded all i have to the site of Tomas Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added > Well... Way back in 2000 (almost 6 jears ago!) Norman scanned the NR-200 > service manual and I scanned the NR-200 international owners manual.. had > to check the archives for this one :-) > > Wouter > > modernizy at netscape.net wrote: > >> Thank you very much for your reference to me on NR-200 manuals, but to >> make matters perfectly clear, our gratitude should be given to a man who >> actually scan the manuals and place them on Wouter's ftp site from where >> I downloaded them when this service was available. Probably, Wouter knows >> the actual 'author' (or he is the one himself :-)) ) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Dec 19 18:02:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:02:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219093403.01b601e0@psulias.psu.edu> References: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051219093403.01b601e0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <43A6E7BD.8030306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > I've used Ortofon OM-40 Gold and X3-MC. > Found both to be very good, the OM particularly with rock music, awesome > bass and real vibrance and energy. Now, the OM-40 Gold was about $399 > back in 1985 (I got it for $99 from a local dealer who got a dozen by > mistake) and the replacement stylus is about $250 as I recall. I've > used other styli on the OM, including the 14, 20 and 30, and they are > considerably worse than the 40 stylus. The 30 is good, the other two > are passable but certainly nothing special for anyone looking for more > than just the ability to play records. > The X3-MC I thought had a very nice sound to it. I thought it was > pretty open and had good soundstaging. Ortofons do tend to be a bit > technical in their presentation though. I'd agree with you on them for rock-n-roll, but for classical and chamber music Grado sounds better to me. Nothing personal, but it's comparatively easier to make gear sound good with rock music. But uncompressed classical, jazz and chamber music recordings are far more challenging, so rock is seldom regarded as the ultimate test for any audio gear. This isn't anti-rock music rhetoric. Rock music has little energy below 40 cps or above 16,000 cps; most of its energy is between about 80 cps to 200 cps and 2 kc and 7 kc. Also, rock's dynamic range is held narrow with rock music. With classical, jazz and chamber music, you're always dealing with at least 32 cps bass and sometimes as low as 16 cps bass, and harmonics go up past audibility. Dynamic range can be quite impressive as well -- over 70 dB average, and far exceeding 100 dB peak for full orchestra. This imposes far more challenging demands on audio equipment; although LPs cannot achieve such dynamic range limits, but dbx encoded cassettes made on Nakamichi 600 series recorders can, but you didn't hear it from me. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Dec 19 18:12:49 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:12:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A6EA11.7090704@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, felic dans wrote: > Are you still selling anything related to stereo at all? Home-based if > not store-front? Primarily internet? No, I have no stereo gear at the moment but I'm considering an offer to manufacture a "domesticated" version of my Type 62F 40-watt integrated theater power amplifier for the Singapore audiophile market. I've been informed that the proposed product has to be re-voiced for the tastes of the Asian market, making the ramp-up more costly than usual. So, we'll see. I've turned down an offer to do a similar product for the US market. I'm concentrating mainly on professional recording studio equipment designs and my research & development efforts, which include reverse engineering parts for various Nakamichi cassette decks so that new parts may become available once again, extending the service life of the equipment. It'd be good not to have to rely on a dwindling supply of NOS parts or scavenging old decks for spares. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 19 18:38:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:38:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006301c604c3$090b30e0$88cc87d9@oemcomputer> The OM40 and OM40 Gold are actually the same cartridge, or so Ortofon (UK) told me. The Gold label is used for selling it in various parts of the World where it was felt the brand needed a lift. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 19 December 2005 15:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > > > Hello Derrick! > > Amazing...as I NEVER read or hear any think on OM-40 GOLD, I own one OM > Super body with two stylus, the 30 & 40...the two for my 63 hears > old sound > the same...today; since 3 years I stick on MC type Ortofon the TOP of the > whole line named Jubilee. Sounds lovely fitted on my reliable Rega RB-300 > arm. > > Happy listening, > > ALEX! > From ktl at bornet.net Mon Dec 19 18:50:35 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:50:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added In-Reply-To: <000701c604b6$d2460140$53f66391@p4c800e> Message-ID: Will sort it out when my b....y fever goes away. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:11 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added > > > Today i've uploaded all i have to the site of Tomas > > Regards Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals added > > > > Well... Way back in 2000 (almost 6 jears ago!) Norman scanned the > > NR-200 > > service manual and I scanned the NR-200 international > owners manual.. had > > to check the archives for this one :-) > > > > Wouter > > > > modernizy at netscape.net wrote: > > > >> Thank you very much for your reference to me on NR-200 > manuals, but > >> to > >> make matters perfectly clear, our gratitude should be > given to a man who > >> actually scan the manuals and place them on Wouter's ftp > site from where > >> I downloaded them when this service was available. > Probably, Wouter knows > >> the actual 'author' (or he is the one himself :-)) ) > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 18:55:20 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:55:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A6EA11.7090704@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit, That is so generous of you to devote your time for the greater good of the Nakamichi community. I must say, I hope that Nakamichi decks stay alive forever. But like you said, replacement parts are getting scarcer by the day and more decks are admitting to its age. So sad. How do you feel about mp3s? and cds? and vinyl? - Felix >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:12:49 -0600 > >Hi Felix, > >felic dans wrote: >>Are you still selling anything related to stereo at all? Home-based if not >>store-front? Primarily internet? > >No, I have no stereo gear at the moment but I'm considering an offer to >manufacture a "domesticated" version of my Type 62F 40-watt integrated >theater power amplifier for the Singapore audiophile market. I've been >informed that the proposed product has to be re-voiced for the tastes of >the Asian market, making the ramp-up more costly than usual. So, we'll see. >I've turned down an offer to do a similar product for the US market. > >I'm concentrating mainly on professional recording studio equipment designs >and my research & development efforts, which include reverse engineering >parts for various Nakamichi cassette decks so that new parts may become >available once again, extending the service life of the equipment. It'd be >good not to have to rely on a dwindling supply of NOS parts or scavenging >old decks for spares. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 20:01:49 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <43A6E7BD.8030306@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051219093403.01b601e0@psulias.psu.edu> <43A6E7BD.8030306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219134835.01d566a8@psulias.psu.edu> Oddly enough I listen to rock music far more critically than classical, which is usually background music for me. :) I agree with your assessment, although I think that had a lot more to do with the crappy recording and mastering done on most rock records than the music itself. It's good to hear many of the re-released issues of classic albums on good vinyl, SACD or DVD-A. >I'd agree with you on them for rock-n-roll, but for classical and chamber >music Grado sounds better to me. Nothing personal, but it's comparatively >easier to make gear sound good with rock music. But uncompressed >classical, jazz and chamber music recordings are far more challenging, so >rock is seldom regarded as the ultimate test for any audio gear. > >This isn't anti-rock music rhetoric. > >Rock music has little energy below 40 cps or above 16,000 cps; most of its >energy is between about 80 cps to 200 cps and 2 kc and 7 kc. Also, rock's >dynamic range is held narrow with rock music. With classical, jazz and >chamber music, you're always dealing with at least 32 cps bass and >sometimes as low as 16 cps bass, and harmonics go up past audibility. >Dynamic range can be quite impressive as well -- over 70 dB average, and >far exceeding 100 dB peak for full orchestra. This imposes far more >challenging demands on audio equipment; although LPs cannot achieve such >dynamic range limits, but dbx encoded cassettes made on Nakamichi 600 >series recorders can, but you didn't hear it from me. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 20:08:29 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:08:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <006301c604c3$090b30e0$88cc87d9@oemcomputer> References: <006301c604c3$090b30e0$88cc87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219140458.01d56520@psulias.psu.edu> They aren't cosmetically the same. I have a regular OM cartridge which looks different. Have no idea if the innards are the same or not. The only real difference between the various OMs is the stylus (as far as I've been able to tell). It's a big difference too. My 40 stylus got snapped off at a party, I replaced it with a 20 due to severe lack of funds, and I was thoroughly disappointed. At 12:38 PM 12/19/2005, you wrote: >The OM40 and OM40 Gold are actually the same cartridge, or so Ortofon (UK) >told me. The Gold label is used for selling it in various parts of the >World where it was felt the brand needed a lift. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 19 December 2005 15:19 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > > > > > > Hello Derrick! > > > > Amazing...as I NEVER read or hear any think on OM-40 GOLD, I own one OM > > Super body with two stylus, the 30 & 40...the two for my 63 hears > > old sound > > the same...today; since 3 years I stick on MC type Ortofon the TOP of the > > whole line named Jubilee. Sounds lovely fitted on my reliable Rega RB-300 > > arm. > > > > Happy listening, > > > > ALEX! > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Dec 19 21:28:22 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:28:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Jaguar with Nak tape deck restoration? Message-ID: Martin wrote: >Thanks for your kind offer...one day I might take you up on your >1000 II. At the moment I am up to >my ears in an 'XJS' rebuild and >that sucks up most of my spare cash..(even worse than the wife!!).. >and >I still have to pay for my 680ZX repairs.. if it ever comes >back! Hmmm that would that be a Jaguar XJS rather than a Yamaha xjs?....... reading some of the posts about getting into the guts of Naks is one thing ..... restoring a motorbike is another ....but if its a Jaguar xjs then thats a whole new ball game ...... no doubt it has a Nak cassette player in it and thats why you mentioned it here..... I started a hare running with my question about cartridges ageing polymers ....... whilst I await the return of my deck from B & W. Now we can start a car motorbike restoration tape deck thing this time? Just teasing. Naughty but nice. no news of my deck's return from B & W...... being generous maybe they are under pressure before Xmas .......as they aren't particularly forthcoming . ......I'm attempting to use British understatement...... By the way Alex the e-card was fun ...... thanks Ian Scotland From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Dec 19 23:12:09 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:12:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player for sale on ebay.co.uk I thought you might be interested Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nakamichi-Dragon-CD-Player-and-PSU-8500_W0QQitemZ5842928419QQcategoryZ3272QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Description in english and german (on the page) starting bid £2000 buy it now for £2950 Extremely rare opportunity to get your hands on what has to be one of the very best CD players of all time. Many highend connaisseurs know of the Nakamichi Dragon series. Mostly the cassette players are available, however Nakamichi also manufactered a DAC, CD player and 2 Turntables. These were cost no object statement pieces. This is the Nakamichi Dragon CD player. It is a two box unit, keeping the main player isolated from the electronics. Heres a guy using one to demonstrate his system at CES show. http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina6.htm What is stunning about this cd player is that when a cd is inserted the unit forms a vacuum around the cd chamber. This combined with a proprietary jitter free transport mechanism makes for absolute stunning cd playback, either using the direct anaolgue outputs or via your own DAC. The cd player also allows you to put up to 7 cds into its changer...the most highend musicbank in existance!! The CD unit has balanced output to a DAC or analogue RCA output to your amplifier. Its also has coaxial digital output. I bought the unit off of one of the main executives at Yamaha. He's upgraded to something incredibly priced. The Nakamichi has about 90% of the performance of my £25k Accuphase DP-100 SACD and DC-101 combination...an extremely smooth, organic, musical and detailed presentation. The unit is 100V. It will run on 120V for the USA too. I can provide the winner with a 100V to 230V converter. This in no way messes with the sonics, if anything it provides a cleaner power source than your wall supply. Heres a summary: * Nakamichi CD player in perfect physical and working condition * Nakamichi Power supply in perfect condition * All cables and connectors present * Manuals (in japanese but with diagrams) present * Remote control present * CD holders for 30mm mini-cd's present * 100V operation (will work on 120V) See my other auctions for Accuphase equipment. I sell all over europe. Payment by Paypal, cash upon collection, cheque or bank transfer. UK shipping: £30 Europe: 70euros There have been an abundance of scam auctions using photos of my highend equipment. If you see the same photo anywhere else please let me know and i'll have them kicked off ebay. Zero feedback bidders please email before bidding From rondo at nottltd.com Mon Dec 19 23:28:10 2005 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:28:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 References: Message-ID: <01cb01c604eb$7df7df20$6401a8c0@Rondo> I have been using the Grado Platinum for just over a year now and I am very impressed. This cartridge is about in the middle of their "wood" line. Excellent dynamics, soundstagiing, prescence and depth. It is fitted to my RB-250 (highly modified) on my P2 deck. When I first installed it and had a listen, I found that there is hum (low level) in the audio as the last track fades out. I was informed that this is normal with Grado, as they are the only maker that does not shield their cartridges. Ron Walton Dear Kermit! Since 1963 a loyal Ortofon fan...NOW I learn something better...will try to get at least a "Top" Grado one maybe the Sonata or something similarly made with wood case! Thank you so Kermit; much for teaching me...Bravo!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 > >Hi Felix > >felic dans wrote: >>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like to >>hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > >Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > >Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more open, >natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem to >lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are good, >but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is the >most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the >Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was always >aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite lacking. >Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better >soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started on >the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. > >Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're listening >to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 20 03:03:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:03:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051219134835.01d566a8@psulias.psu.edu> References: <43A35466.6010909@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051219093403.01b601e0@psulias.psu.edu> <43A6E7BD.8030306@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051219134835.01d566a8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <43A76674.20405@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > Oddly enough I listen to rock music far more critically than classical, > which is usually background music for me. :) I agree with your > assessment, although I think that had a lot more to do with the crappy > recording and mastering done on most rock records than the music > itself. It's good to hear many of the re-released issues of classic > albums on good vinyl, SACD or DVD-A. Psst, I often do the same thing myself -- but don't tell anyone. I often get distracted from the music by hearing how badly they butchered miking the drums, hearing vocals drowned in reverb and counting the number of asthmatic compressors on each submix bus. Occupational hazard. When I was learning recording in the 1970s, the mastering engineers explained how rock was purposely crafted to sound good on low end gear yet still sound good on excellent gear. For example, the way kick drums and bass guitars are tuned and recorded shifts the burden of bass spectrum to 80 cps or so. This makes it easier for cheaper hi-fis to reproduce the albums, and makes the music sound better as a result because the gear was never strained unduly (undistorted playback). Reproducing 80 cps (aprox. the 1st harmonic of kick drum or bass guitar's lowest note) is easy for even the most measly system, but reproducing 25 cps (approx. the lowest note of a grand piano or lowest string of bass viol) is a challenge may high end systems fail! It is indeed purposeful and intrinsic that rock albums don't challenge audio systems, with occasional exceptions, nearly as much as jazz or classical. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 05:19:35 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:19:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: Hi Derrick! OF COURSE...the OM & the improved OM Super...takes all the OM line stylus, but after that you listen the "Top" one the 40 stylus...you CAN'T go reverse...fiiting your OM body with a cheaper stylys...the 20 one really will do not sound as the 30 or better 40 ones...Sorry it's true!!! Have a nice 2006 Year! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:08:29 -0500 > >They aren't cosmetically the same. I have a regular OM cartridge which >looks different. Have no idea if the innards are the same or not. The >only real difference between the various OMs is the stylus (as far as I've >been able to tell). It's a big difference too. My 40 stylus got snapped >off at a party, I replaced it with a 20 due to severe lack of funds, and I >was thoroughly disappointed. > >At 12:38 PM 12/19/2005, you wrote: >>The OM40 and OM40 Gold are actually the same cartridge, or so Ortofon (UK) >>told me. The Gold label is used for selling it in various parts of the >>World where it was felt the brand needed a lift. >> >>Gra' >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> > Sent: 19 December 2005 15:19 >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >> > >> > >> > Hello Derrick! >> > >> > Amazing...as I NEVER read or hear any think on OM-40 GOLD, I own one OM >> > Super body with two stylus, the 30 & 40...the two for my 63 hears >> > old sound >> > the same...today; since 3 years I stick on MC type Ortofon the TOP of >>the >> > whole line named Jubilee. Sounds lovely fitted on my reliable Rega >>RB-300 >> > arm. >> > >> > Happy listening, >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 05:39:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:39:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 Message-ID: Hi Ron! Yes it's true that Grado wood specially suffer from "Hum" noises with Rega arms, as to my knowledge Rega arms don't have a separate ground/earth cord as SME and 99% others, my "originally" RB-300 since 1991 with me...use "Ground/Earth" issue, back trough the "Left RCA Plug"...for that once I read during the very earlier 90ties, just before I fit any cartridge on my new RB-300 arm this particularly issue of the ground/earth issue, & because I always use Ortofon cartridge, my lovely still with me "Resting"...for the moment VSM-30/Mk-2 mm cartridge use the "GR" pin for cartridge ground/earth...I fitted "Reversed"...in the Rega's cartridge pins, and of course also reversed in my Preamp...left RCA from the arm to Right input on my preamp...so the "Ground/Earth" issue was solved. I hope that you Ron can comprehend what I do? As your presently in use RB-250 IT'S NOT originally I can't advice you to do the same change among cartridge pins. Regards, ALEX! >From: "Ron Walton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 >Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:28:10 -0700 > >I have been using the Grado Platinum for just over a year now and I am very >impressed. This cartridge is about in the middle of their "wood" line. >Excellent dynamics, soundstagiing, prescence and depth. It is fitted to my >RB-250 (highly modified) on my P2 deck. When I first installed it and had >a listen, I found that there is hum (low level) in the audio as the last >track fades out. I was informed that this is normal with Grado, as they >are the only maker that does not shield their cartridges. > >Ron Walton > > > Dear Kermit! > > Since 1963 a loyal Ortofon fan...NOW I learn something better...will try >to > get at least a "Top" Grado one maybe the Sonata or something similarly >made > with wood case! > > Thank you so Kermit; much for teaching me...Bravo!!! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Kermit V. Gray" > >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette > >Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:57:26 -0600 > > > >Hi Felix > > > >felic dans wrote: > >>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd >like to > >>hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > > > >Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon >(LM-10, > >LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > > > >Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower > >perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more >open, > >natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and seem >to > >lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands are >good, > >but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because it is >the > >most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage then the > >Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I was >always > >aware that even though it sounded quite good something was quite >lacking. > >Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has a better > >soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me started >on > >the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen to. > > > >Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a > >recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're >listening > >to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 20 03:16:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:16:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A76960.2050805@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Felix, felic dans wrote: >How do you feel about mp3s? and cds? and vinyl? I cannot abide the sound of MP3s. Period. I'd rather have my teeth drilled than listen to MP3s. Sounds about the same. I have no preference of LP over CD -- with the caveat that the recording is excellent. Bad sound is bad sound, regardless of medium, and I appreciate excellent sound in any form, analog or digital. I've mastered cassettes, 8-tracks, broadcast cartridges, open reel tapes, CDs, LPs, SACDs and magstripe, so I do tend to be a bit hypercritical on sound quality. For mastering cassettes, only a Nakamichi will do. For LPs, I prefer Scully lathes and Westrex cutters with Adamant styli. For CDs, I prefer the Alesis Masterlink, my customized DAW, or the Philips LH-10000. For SACD, it's a tie between the Genex 9000 and the Tascam DVRA-1000; well, the Genex is a bit better. For reel to reel, Scully or Ampex is my choice (although it's impossible to ge tparts for Scully, so now it's Revox and Ampex), with ITC or Tapecaster machines for broadcast carts, Westrex was the only thing I used for magstripe (although there are far better choices, at least you have an outboard recording amp), and if you want 8-tracks please seek psychiatric help. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Dec 20 08:45:50 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:45:50 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Jaguar with Nak tape deck restoration? Message-ID: <002701c60539$65d3ec60$0201a8c0@lan> Yes Ian, it is a Jaguar XJS.. a '79 V12 manual to be precise, one of the last 12 out of 352 total built at Brown's Lane. The shell is rebuilt, now starting on the mechanicals. Unfortunately it will not be getting a Nak car audio system as they are almost rarer than hen's teeth, but it will be getting the next best thing.. an old top of the range Alpine.. provided it still works!. In terms of complexity and ease of repair.. the XJS beats a Nak hands down!!.. I can do that myself.. but not repair a Nak.!! With regards to your 481, my experience tells me B&W will do a great job on it. It is a bit of along story, but I acquired an as new S/H BX125 way way back and soon after it developed what we all now know as the idler tyre fault...(I thought I had been done over well and truly) , but B&W repaired it for about 60 quid from memory, and only recently did I realise to my surprise ( some 18 years later) that they had also upgraded it to a gear drive system, as when I went under the bonnet to upgrade the idler tyre to an ESL beastie I found I didn't need to. I was going to flick it off as I hardly use it .. but will not now!. More recently I have sourced spares for my other Naks through B&W and have nothing but praise for their response and customer service. If it was economic to send my decks over to them for servicing I would, but at about 150.00 pound each way airfreight + service costs, it just isn't on. Hey Kermit, Not are you only an old Nak fan ( the decks.. not you!!), but you like Grado's too. I love them... next best thing to a Decca, almost as dynamic and a lot less temperamental. ( the best cartridge I have ever used bar none in my system was a Garrott modified Decca London Gold...dynamic, incisive, chilling even, .and a Grado F3E+ in an SME III with fluid damper came pretty close at less than 1/20th the cost.. the use of the fluid damper being a critical factor). I now use a Prestige Gold or the same F3E+ for transferring LP's onto tape via a 610 preamp and ZX-7.. the phono stage in the 610 is one of the best I have come across.. and you get two of them.... Grado's are a bit like Naks, good, or great.. no bad ones, not even the cheap $20.00 grey FT's. Older Ortofons are OK, such as the VMS 20 ( which I like), and agree with comments about the LM series.. flat sounding junk. The top of the range Stanton's I feel are pretty good too, but could never 'gel' with the Shure V15's. I have a box of "other" cartridges, but it is the Grado's that have resided on the turntables to this day. To Scott and Kent.. I haven't forgotten about the 'outstanding' brochure scans I 'owe' you, but the second half of the year has been ultra busy, sorry :o( Should get some more done over our christmas break.. given that NZ closes for three weeks! best wishes to everyone for Christmas, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you had a chance to do anything about making those Nak alignment tapes? David On 17/12/2005, at 9:57 AM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Felix > > felic dans wrote: >> DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd >> like to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. > > Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon > (LM-10, LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. > > Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower > perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more > open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical > and seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both > brands are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon > VMS-30 because it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a > narrower soundstage then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was > fatiguing to me. I was always aware that even though it sounded quite > good something was quite lacking. Even the bottom-line Grado Black is > more natural and has a better soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM > Series. Oh do not get me started on the Ortofon OM-Series. These are > truly unpleasant to listen to. > > Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a > recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're > listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 20 15:08:15 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:08:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c6056e$d2001500$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> Alex/Derrick Ortofon UK told me the only difference between the OM range was the stylus, not the cartridges. They also said there was no difference between the OM40 and OM40 Super, except the latter is the brand name of the former when it is sold in some parts of the World. Hence, you can't buy a OM40 Super in the UK, only the OM40. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 20 December 2005 04:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > > > Hi Derrick! > > OF COURSE...the OM & the improved OM Super...takes all the OM > line stylus, > but after that you listen the "Top" one the 40 stylus...you CAN'T go > reverse...fiiting your OM body with a cheaper stylys...the 20 one really > will do not sound as the 30 or better 40 ones...Sorry it's true!!! > > Have a nice 2006 Year! > > ALEX! > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 15:15:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:15:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Grado cartridges Message-ID: No David...Grado NEVER made any moving Coil type...all Grado line are pure moving magnet ones...BUT...the most expensive today all made encased in a wood body, are extremely low output MM type, so you MUST have at least more amplification...that 70 > 90ties MM types. If I recall well the TOP & of course MORE expensive Grado MM cartridge just a mere 0.5 cm.mv output. So the "heart" inside the wood case has a much lower mass...for that will track the vinyl record groove much...much...better & faithfully. Cheers, ALEX! >From: David Thompson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >graker at woods-and-waters.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Grado cartridges >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:42:39 +1000 > >Kermit > >I understand that Grados are moving coil cartridges. Do they need extra >amplification, e,g. to replace an Ortofon LM30? > >Have you had a chance to do anything about making those Nak alignment >tapes? > >David >On 17/12/2005, at 9:57 AM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Felix >> >>felic dans wrote: >>>DO you have any experience with Ortofon or Grado Carts? If so, I'd like >>>to hear your take on their carts and which ones you like. >> >>Yes! I've owned several Grado (Gold, Blue and Green) and Ortofon (LM-10, >>LM-20, OM-20, VMS-30, X-1MC) over the years. >> >>Compared to Ortofon, the Grados have far better soundstaging, lower >>perceptible distortion (as opposed to measured distortion) and a more >>open, natural sound than the Ortofons, which are closed-in, clinical and >>seem to lack airiness and a sense of lifelikeness or depth. Both brands >>are good, but my nod goes to Grado. I did enjoy my Ortofon VMS-30 because >>it is the most natural of the Ortofons but it has a narrower soundstage >>then the Grado Gold or Blue. The Ortofon X-1MC was fatiguing to me. I >>was always aware that even though it sounded quite good something was >>quite lacking. Even the bottom-line Grado Black is more natural and has >>a better soundstage than any of the Ortofon OM Series. Oh do not get me >>started on the Ortofon OM-Series. These are truly unpleasant to listen >>to. >> >>Listening to most Ortofon keeps you aware that you're listening to a >>recording, but listening to an Grado lets you forget that you're >>listening to a recording and just enjoy the music. >> >> >>-- Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Dec 20 16:51:33 2005 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:51:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak OMS7 Message-ID: <200512201451.jBKEpr2h028911@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I posted this to the audiotalk forum, but got no replies. I thought some of you deck owners might know/have the OMS7 cd player: ---- I have a Nak OMS 7 (not a II) that does not function anymore. It will not locate any tracks, and on the rare occasion it does, the music coming out is completely muddy and static. Is this a laser problem? I have replaced a laser before in a Luxman D105u tube cd, and it wasn't too difficult. It has been a while, though, and I don't know where to source the parts anymore. If it isn't the laser, any other thoughts? Also, I once had my Dragon serviced by Stephen Sank...is he still around? This was about 7 years ago, he was excellent in both the repair and the price. Alex Cagann -Nakamichi OMS 7 -Nakamichi Dragon -Nakamichi RX505 From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Tue Dec 20 16:00:30 2005 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:00:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E stops playing (Ron) Message-ID: Hi. Thanks Ron and others for advice. However the voltage is adjusted, the motor still stops unexpectedly. I guess I need a new reel motor motor - the number on the motor is BHS 7BO2-5096A. Anyone got one? -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Dec 20 16:07:20 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:07:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 In-Reply-To: <001501c6056e$d2001500$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> References: <001501c6056e$d2001500$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051220100428.01aa7628@psulias.psu.edu> This is the OM40 Super Gold, not the OM Super. The difference, as you might have guessed, is a gold and black body with gold connectors, and presumably something gold inside. You are correct that the stylus are the only other differences in the OM line. At 09:08 AM 12/20/2005, Nelson wrote: >Alex/Derrick > >Ortofon UK told me the only difference between the OM range was the stylus, >not the cartridges. They also said there was no difference between the OM40 >and OM40 Super, except the latter is the brand name of the former when it is >sold in some parts of the World. Hence, you can't buy a OM40 Super in the >UK, only the OM40. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 20 December 2005 04:20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Scottish 481z at B & W - update 4 > > > > > > Hi Derrick! > > > > OF COURSE...the OM & the improved OM Super...takes all the OM > > line stylus, > > but after that you listen the "Top" one the 40 stylus...you CAN'T go > > reverse...fiiting your OM body with a cheaper stylys...the 20 one really > > will do not sound as the 30 or better 40 ones...Sorry it's true!!! > > > > Have a nice 2006 Year! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 16:16:08 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:16:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback In-Reply-To: <007801c600bd$76d6b7c0$6500a8c0@StudioPC> Message-ID: <20051220151608.2044.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, For reliability, I recommend the Nak 680ZX. Its superb, has its manuals online and very reliable. Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel 065-6584-2479 Douglas Young wrote: Thanks for your reply. You're right--the amount I'll spend depends on what I'm getting. I need a machine that won't require immediate servicing, includes a manual (or for which one can be had on-line), and has the azimuth control feature. Cosmetics are important too as this unit will be seen in the rack with everything else. I'm hoping some folks will chime in with units for sale--we'll see. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 02:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback Hi Doug! The first question...is HOW MUCH...you want to spend/spell (Depends..of course...!)? Second once one of our lovely members wrote us that he want to sell his "Dragon"...in an EXCELLENT working conditions, his name is Derrick and lives in USA! As I also own today, the same model...very heart fully I recommend you, as will "Solve"..all your playback problems...with his "Unique" Automatic Playback Azimuth Adjustments" named "NAAC", also sounds superbly...maybe Derrick if; till yet do not sold, his unit I'm sure that will contact you...at least you will get an a 100% WORKING unit at an a very fair price. Be patiently...till he will reply! Good luck! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] nak newbie needs quality playback >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:54:58 -0600 > >As a nak newbie, I have a question. My old Denon deck has died, won't >play at all, play head and pinch roller won't stay engaged. Rather >than have it repaired, I'm considering buying a used nak with >adjustable azimuth so I can maximize the playback quality of my >existing tape collection, made on different machines or commercially >recorded. I don't know that I'll ever mke analog tapes again, but I might. Any recommendations? > >Doug >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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They record and play as well as my Nak! -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 20 17:20:45 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:20:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak OMS7 In-Reply-To: <200512201451.jBKEpr2h028911@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200512201451.jBKEpr2h028911@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43A82F5D.6090108@yahoo.ca> Either the motor is too slow,(Speed controller or motor problems, could have happened if a storm caused the problem) the laser tracks are worn out, it's mis-adjusted, or you have to change the pickup. If the tracks are worn out, the laser reads with an angle. Antoine Deschênes Alex Cagann a écrit : > I posted this to the audiotalk forum, but got no replies. I thought some of > you deck owners might know/have the OMS7 cd player: > > ---- > > I have a Nak OMS 7 (not a II) that does not function anymore. It will not > locate any tracks, and on the rare occasion it does, the music coming out is > completely muddy and static. Is this a laser problem? I have replaced a > laser before in a Luxman D105u tube cd, and it wasn't too difficult. It has > been a while, though, and I don't know where to source the parts anymore. If > it isn't the laser, any other thoughts? > > Also, I once had my Dragon serviced by Stephen Sank...is he still around? > This was about 7 years ago, he was excellent in both the repair and the > price. > > Alex Cagann > -Nakamichi OMS 7 > -Nakamichi Dragon > -Nakamichi RX505 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Dec 20 17:26:38 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:26:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony Professional Walkman repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051220162638.1346.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi John Best guy in my book for those is: Simon Griffet (ex Sony, Eng) @ Audio Related Technology Ltd simon.griffett at audiorelated.com Phone:0208 908 6777 Regards Terry John Chapman wrote: Forgive me for departing from Naks, but anyone know a decent engineer in the UK. I have two Sony Walkman Professionals in need of work. One runs very fast, over twice normal speed on both play and wind/rewind, (power supply problem?) the other sometimes over loads on recording. Hopefully between the two I could make up a decent machine. They record and play as well as my Nak! -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 17:35:43 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck Sales - MR-1, LX-5, CR1a, BX-100 GREAT PRICES! Personal Collect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Update : correction to the bX-100 listing. Meant "dolby B' instead of "Dolby C". >From: "felic dans" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck Sales - MR-1, LX-5, CR1a,BX-100 GREAT >PRICES! Personal Collect. >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:41 -0500 > >Hey fellow nakamichi fans, > >I've just acquired a dragon from a friend of mine here in NY. Damn great >machine. I am now offering my other decks for sale. Here goes the list and >their descriptions. > >LX-5 - excellent condition with barely visible scratches on the top >chassis. The faceplate is perfect. The cassette well light has been >replaced along with ALL rubber belts and idler tire by the competent >"Electronics Service Repair" shop in Ventura California. Also, the >record,player heads, and transport speeds have been calibrated to original >specs as they had the tapes and equipment necessary to do so. the heads >have been demagged and cleaned with 99.953 pure anyhdrous alcohol from >mgchemicals. I shipped it over there and the tech service cost me well >over 180 dollars alone ( not including shipping). I've made 10 tapes on >this using Maxell IIs's and its sound is PERFECT. I do mean that as the >spatial perception from the stereo-imaging is as precise as when I first >bought the deck back in 1987 from hi-end Harvey Electronics in New York at >830 dollars. >I no longer have the sales receipt as I do not expect anyone to want it >anyway. Maybe some. I dunno. Many Nak fans are truly crazy when it comes to >nak memorabilia. BTW, deck is calibrated to use Maxell xlii-s or Maxell >xlii regular for chrome (type II position), but other cassette will do as >well just need to adjust the built-in bias setting. get an LX-5 manual. >Sorry, threw that out a LONG time ago. Please feel free to ask questions. >BTW, this unit is guaranteed not to be DOA. I am sorry as I do not have any >pictures. KEPT IN NON-SMOKING HOUSEHOLD WITH NO CHILDREN NOR PETS. Sits >nicely in my rack of Pass Labs amplification equipment that power >Vandersteens. Beautiful. >Deck is made in Japan of course. > >asking price: 190 dollars. plus shipping from 11224 (New York) > > > > >MR-1 > >This deck was also bought in the 1988 from a friend of mine. one led bulb >is faint on the right vu meter at position -6db. Does not affect the deck's >performance whatsoever. I've made many tapes on this deck, too. The deck >has been checked out by " Brooklyn House of Audio" and the deck does NOT >need calibration or tweaks as it was done in shop with cerfited nak test >tapes. Gear driven, silent transport, no need to worry about idler tire >repair as this deck uses a gear for that operation. transport lubed, heads >cleaned with pure anhydrous alcohol and demagged using handheld for maximum >strength , pots cleaned, circuit boards dusted. PLUG AND PLAY. > >I attribute the excellent condition of the deck to my meticulous cariing >for the deck over the years. > >It is secret that the MR-1 is probably one of the most beat-up Naks you can >find on Ebay as they were intended for professional studio use , inevitably >running up serious miles on the components and transport mechanisms over >the years from constant use and abuse. Well, the one I have is in excellent >HOUSEHOLD condition and never sat in a studio whatsoever. It has one fault >- a faint led bulb on the right vumeter at -6b The deck has a few >cosmetic scratches on the top of the unit. Other than that, the deck is in >perfect operating condition and in very very good cosmetic condition. well >enough to be displayed on an open rack - revealing its entire body. it uses >1/4 inch inputs - keep that in mind. rack handles and mounts are also >included. faceplate is excellent. no scratches on the acryllic window of >the cassette door. I do not need to give specs on this unit as they are all >posted on MR-1. Boy is this a steal. believe me and others who saw this >unit selling for 500 dollars on ebay. I'm pricing this thing to SELL >immediately! as cliche as that sounds - it's true. I am ridding many of my >Naks. and this is one to grab while its available. Made in Japan. > >asking price: 150 dollars plus shipping. > > >Bx-100 > >Ehhh.. honestly, nothing special to me. But, it's a deserving deck at a >deserving price even when it was new in the '80s. Idler tire has been >replaced and upgraded using tire from ESLABS.com. and everything that >needed to be lubed has been done. Calibration was not necessary as it is in >the same position as it was when new. ALL buttons and functions work >PERFECT. Made many tapes on this as well with MAXELL XLII-s using chrome >positioning. I love those tapes. Anyone else out there feel that same for >them? I'd love to hear your opinion on those tapes. Dolby NR is great too, >which is quite amazing on a deck at such a basement bargain price compared >to its bigger and more expensive brothers. All I am sayin is that the DOLBY >B is remarkable for its price, which leaves me to say that usually bargain >decks do NOT have usable DOlby. Using Dolby on this deck is clear, and >open.NOT MUFFLED!. Well specs are on the Naks.com. Cosmetics : Deck has a >very small dent on the back corner of the chassis cover. Other than that - >Faceplate is perfect, cassette well window perfect, no sticky buttons. all >lights work perfect. plays and records perfectly. Made in Japan > >35 dollars plus shipping > > >CR1A > >This is basically a newer-modelled version of the bx-100 made in the early >'90s only. There is one notable upgrade in particular worth mentioning and >that is it uses a gear in place of the tire idler system which was used on >bx models. So,. that's a plus. All belts, motors, transport, heads, pinch >rollers, etc. are in PERFECT CONDITION. What is nice about this deck to me >visually is that Nakamichi moved away from red - colored leds and used >green as a replacement. Very nice touch. Reminds me of green tea somewhat. >Anyhow, there is a cassette well led in green as well so you can view how >much tape has spun - it is very clear. heads DO NOT NEED CALIBRATION. DO >NOT TOUCH IT. IT IS AS IS WHEN BOUGHT FACTORY FRESH. THese things do not >move by themselves if left untouch. That's contrary to other experts who >will have you believing that these things move by themselves. So, don't >touch the head screws as it is already in factory-set position. I KNOW. >I've made Many tapes on this deck, too. I give all my decks the same >caliber of care and attention, never causing jealousy. haha. okay that was >corny . I apologize. You get my drift. Demagged and cleaned with pure >anyhdrous alcohol on the heads and rubber renue on the pinch rollers and >belts (only 2 belts in this unit). A MATTER OF FACT ALL THE DECKS THAT I AM >SELLING HAVE "RUBBER RENUE" CHEMICAL made by MG CHEMICALS to Preserve and >ENHANCE THE LIFESPAN OF ALL RUBBER. It is a great product. You can get a >bottle for yourself at web-etronics.com. Not expensive at all and will >prove to be a very very very useful tool for cassette deck aficionados. >Alright, enough talk. > >asking price : 40 dollars plus shipping. > > > >Please feel free to contact me for more information and shipping >procedures. >Pricing is negotiable, so please contact me for that, too. >I will let everyone know daily of what is still available and what's still >selling. >I will personally call you upon your request to finalize a deal and for >re-assurance of trust. >ONLY U.S. >I am sorry as I cannot deal with international regions as I have no way of >tracking the information, rendering it unsafe for me and the buying party. >So please, only U.S. Buyers. > >ETC. I am not a business and I am only selling from my personal collection. >Shipping quotes are exactly what is charged to your area. I am in Brooklyn, >NY 11224. Estimate it for yourself and contact me. and I will get the exact >quote for you. I will only ship UPS. I cannot trust USPS anymore. They >broke a 700 dollar reel-to-reel akai I had coming to me. Some shipping >employees are so irresponsible, especially USPS more so that other shipping >companies. > >I take paypal, money order. Please let me know what you choose. > > >Thank you fellow Nakamichi Fans and your support, > >Felix Yeung > >Contact: felixyeung70 at hotmail.com > >Contact: 718-946-3861 > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 18:00:07 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E stops playing (Ron) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051220170008.87751.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does your BX 300 stops in FF or REW when there is no tape? in one occasion my Bx 300 stopped because of the failure of sensor behind the spool hub. Even when the motor does not function with the tape - they generally work fine without load. Check that without tape the FF/REW/ Play or FF/REW functions work. Kannan John Chapman wrote: Hi. Thanks Ron and others for advice. However the voltage is adjusted, the motor still stops unexpectedly. I guess I need a new reel motor motor - the number on the motor is BHS 7BO2-5096A. Anyone got one? -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 19:49:51 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:49:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak OMS7 In-Reply-To: <200512201451.jBKEpr2h028911@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <20051220184951.5667.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, I had a Denon DCD-3300 with a similar problem. When I was troubleshooting it started to work great when it was standing up on it's side. In my case I had to relube the spindle motor. It was a really nice multipole direct drive motor that came apart very easily. I cleaned the old oil off, put some lightweight oil in and it worked great. This may not work in your case, but, it's worth a shot. For starters put a drop of oil on the spindle bearing and let it work in. Also if your CD player has a laser that moves back and forth on precision steel shafts you might want to clean them off and relub as they gunk up and cause problems too. Stephan Sank is still around, but, due to some personaly issues is currently not very active repairing. --- Alex Cagann wrote: > I posted this to the audiotalk forum, but got no replies. I thought > some of > you deck owners might know/have the OMS7 cd player: > > ---- > > I have a Nak OMS 7 (not a II) that does not function anymore. It > will not > locate any tracks, and on the rare occasion it does, the music > coming out is > completely muddy and static. Is this a laser problem? I have > replaced a > laser before in a Luxman D105u tube cd, and it wasn't too > difficult. It has > been a while, though, and I don't know where to source the parts > anymore. If > it isn't the laser, any other thoughts? > > Also, I once had my Dragon serviced by Stephen Sank...is he still > around? > This was about 7 years ago, he was excellent in both the repair and > the > price. > > Alex Cagann > -Nakamichi OMS 7 > -Nakamichi Dragon > -Nakamichi RX505 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ady at spamcop.net Tue Dec 20 20:29:22 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Professional Walkman repairs In-Reply-To: <20051220162638.1346.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20051220162638.1346.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54074330-9940-4B0E-867A-05D114ED26F7@spamcop.net> sounds like the servo ic has blown... it's a common problem with the D6C's... for some reason they run on a 6v PSU... so of course what did I and many others like me do? yes used a 9v by accident!! i was quoted about £80 GBP for repair a year or so ago but I can't guarantee this... I wouldn't feel confident DIY... there's a huge amount stuffed into those machines, double sided PCB's and wires everywhere!! hope you get it sorted, I'd be interested in the cost as I'd love to get mine going again.. adrian On 20 Dec 2005, at 16:26, TERRY FINN wrote: > Hi John > > Best guy in my book for those is: > Simon Griffet (ex Sony, Eng) @ Audio Related Technology Ltd > simon.griffett at audiorelated.com > > Phone:0208 908 6777 > > Regards > > Terry > > John Chapman wrote: > Forgive me for departing from Naks, but anyone know a decent engineer > in the UK. I have two Sony Walkman Professionals in need of work. One > runs very fast, over twice normal speed on both play and wind/rewind, > (power supply problem?) the other sometimes over loads on recording. > Hopefully between the two I could make up a decent machine. 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Walgreens has a sale on Maxell > XL-II (not XL-II-S). Very good quality tape. I got 7x90min for $5.99 > (paid $9.99, minus mail rebate of $4). > BTW, isn't Maxell XL-II-S supposed to be better. I have couple of 100 > min xl-ii-s tapes and personally I thought the regular XL-II was better. Welcome to Naktalk, Ram! There are many Naktalkers in N California. I live in Stockton, most! of the folks live in the SF Bay Area. Where do you live? Merrychristmas, Brien ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: David J Madden Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Northern California Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:12:26 +0000 Size: 949 URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Wed Dec 21 10:11:03 2005 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:11:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E stops playing (Ron) Message-ID: High Kannan. Thanks for responding. The machine runs fine without tap, FF and RW and plays fine without a tape in. There seems plenty of torque when I hold my fingers against the spindle. Its hard to belive the motor is at fault. Where is the sensor you refer to? -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 21 15:43:08 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:43:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E stops playing (Ron) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A969FC.9000809@rcn.com> John Chapman wrote: > High Kannan. > > Thanks for responding. The machine runs fine without tap, FF and RW and > plays fine without a tape in. Means nothing. Without a cassette in place, very little torque is required to rotate the hub. > There seems plenty of torque when I hold > my fingers against the spindle. In FF or REW? Means nothing. You stated that in play mode the hub stops rotating. If that's the case, how can there be 'plenty of torque'? > Its hard to belive the motor is at fault I didn't say the reel motor was definitely at fault. It is one of the possibilities, though. > Where is the sensor you refer to? Behind the take up turntable. --Ron From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 17:07:45 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:07:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051221160745.82738.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The playing fast part sounds like the pinch rollers are not engaging. When in play check to see if the pinch rollers have swung up to come in contact with the capstan (pinching the tape). I had this problem and it's caused by harden grease on the pinch roller pivot. GOOD LUCK getting that stuff out. I had to pull the pinch rollers out to clean them and that meant a difficult realignment process without the proper jigs. Not sure about the motor you are talking about. If it's the mode motor then it only runs for a second when changing modes. SJ --- John Litonjua wrote: > Hello everyone, I recently acquired an RX-505 that won't play but > the FF & RW features are working. Anyway I changed the two belts > that are visible when you take the top cover off, thinking that > would fix the problem. Well it made an improvement. It now plays > but it plays in a very high speed...what gives????? > And one more thing, the motor that holds the smaller belt to the > left side is not turning. Could this be the culprit??? It this belt > supposed to be turning when in play mode? Does the motor need to be > replaced??? If so what is the specs for this motor??? Any advise > would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance and may you all > have a wonderful holiday season. > > Best Regards, > John L. > > > "Messaging Security" made the following > annotations on 12/20/2005 01:12:07 PM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE, INCLUDING ANY ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS, IS > CONFIDENTIAL, > intended for the sole use of the addressee(s), and may contain > information that is privileged and exempt from disclosure under > applicable law. If you are neither the intended recipient nor > responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, > please note that any dissemination, distribution,copying or the > taking of any action in reliance upon the message is strictly > prohibited.If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------- > ============================================================================== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 21 18:00:14 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:00:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: <20051221160745.82738.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013201c60650$038d9ac0$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> Just a thought ... would it be possible to remove the hardened grease by applying a solvent to the affected area over a few days, and so without dismantling pinch rollers? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 21 December 2005 16:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE > > > The playing fast part sounds like the pinch rollers are not engaging. > When in play check to see if the pinch rollers have swung up to come > in contact with the capstan (pinching the tape). I had this problem > and it's caused by harden grease on the pinch roller pivot. GOOD > LUCK getting that stuff out. I had to pull the pinch rollers out to > clean them and that meant a difficult realignment process without the > proper jigs. > > Not sure about the motor you are talking about. > If it's the mode motor then it only runs for a second when changing > modes. > > SJ > From rob at rhoag.com Wed Dec 21 20:10:40 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:10:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: <013201c60650$038d9ac0$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Ron has mentioned having good success with that, and I did it on the ZX7 I own with good results. I used a bit of 90% alcohol, then tried some wd40, more alcohol, then after it had dried out well I put a few drops of electronic machine oil on the pivots. Have been using it for several months now and it hasn't stuck one time. I would think that acetone would work even better, but NOT if there is any plastic it might come in contact with. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:00 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE Just a thought ... would it be possible to remove the hardened grease by applying a solvent to the affected area over a few days, and so without dismantling pinch rollers? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 21 December 2005 16:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE > > > The playing fast part sounds like the pinch rollers are not engaging. > When in play check to see if the pinch rollers have swung up to come > in contact with the capstan (pinching the tape). I had this problem > and it's caused by harden grease on the pinch roller pivot. GOOD > LUCK getting that stuff out. I had to pull the pinch rollers out to > clean them and that meant a difficult realignment process without the > proper jigs. > > Not sure about the motor you are talking about. > If it's the mode motor then it only runs for a second when changing > modes. > > SJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 21:28:06 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:28:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: <013201c60650$038d9ac0$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051221202806.51279.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That was highly recommended to a Naktalk poster several months ago and he claimed that it didn't work. Unfortunately the pivot shaft is press fit into a white nylon sleeve so acetone is not recommended. To be safe only use alcohol (>90%). Apply solvent, move pinch roller, apply solvent, move pinch roller, repeat. This may take a long time. You will get greatest amount of movement with the transport in Play mode (with no tape). SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Just a thought ... would it be possible to remove the hardened > grease by > applying a solvent to the affected area over a few days, and so > without > dismantling pinch rollers? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > > Sent: 21 December 2005 16:08 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE > > > > > > The playing fast part sounds like the pinch rollers are not > engaging. > > When in play check to see if the pinch rollers have swung up to > come > > in contact with the capstan (pinching the tape). I had this > problem > > and it's caused by harden grease on the pinch roller pivot. GOOD > > LUCK getting that stuff out. I had to pull the pinch rollers out > to > > clean them and that meant a difficult realignment process without > the > > proper jigs. > > > > Not sure about the motor you are talking about. > > If it's the mode motor then it only runs for a second when > changing > > modes. > > > > SJ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Dec 21 21:41:45 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:41:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E stops playing (Ron) References: <43A969FC.9000809@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006f01c6066e$f54448a0$f09d8456@compaq> Hi John/Ron I have the same problem with a couple of DR2's, I recently dug out of the back of the workshop (I was looking for something else at the time, looks like I've been side tracked again)! Not a unit I have that much practical experience on to date but had presumed rightly or wrongly that as they were one of the last models with the Sanyo mechs they had all the latest motors and gear assy's so the usual suspects could be discounted!!!! Play torque seems High (checked by hand), and with torque meter/cassette is around 45/50g but with a tape in situ will only last the duration of 1 digit before it shuts off.. I thought at first it might be a faulty motion sensor but that works OK (without tape in play gripping takeup spool and stopping it, mech shuts off as you would expect crude test I know, but effective) Will have a closer look over the holidays and see whats going on! In the meantime if anybody else out there has any suggestions let me know........... Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E stops playing (Ron) > John Chapman wrote: > > High Kannan. > > > > Thanks for responding. The machine runs fine without tap, FF and RW and > > plays fine without a tape in. > > Means nothing. Without a cassette in place, very > little torque is required to rotate the hub. > > > There seems plenty of torque when I hold > > my fingers against the spindle. > > In FF or REW? Means nothing. You stated that in > play mode the hub stops rotating. If that's the > case, how can there be 'plenty of torque'? > > > Its hard to belive the motor is at fault > > I didn't say the reel motor was definitely at > fault. It is one of the possibilities, though. > > > Where is the sensor you refer to? > > Behind the take up turntable. > > --Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2/208 - Release Date: 20/12/05 > > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed Dec 21 22:58:11 2005 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:58:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 430 Tuner Service manual References: <013201c60650$038d9ac0$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001201c60679$a46b1b10$53f66391@p4c800e> Hi there, is there someone with a manual for this tuner? I'm busy repairing this unit, Its a fine old analog tuner with a great sound quality but i don't have the manual. Reagards Norman From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 21 23:04:43 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:04:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: <20051221202806.51279.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015b01c6067a$8d56f1a0$bd8187d9@oemcomputer> A so, it is the recommended method for those who have the patience to sit and wait fore the grass to grow through the concrete, Grasshopper! (With apologies to King Foo affectionados) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 21 December 2005 20:28 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE > > > That was highly recommended to a Naktalk poster several months ago > and he claimed that it didn't work. > > Unfortunately the pivot shaft is press fit into a white nylon sleeve > so acetone is not recommended. To be safe only use alcohol (>90%). > Apply solvent, move pinch roller, apply solvent, move pinch roller, > repeat. This may take a long time. You will get greatest amount of > movement with the transport in Play mode (with no tape). > > SJ > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > Just a thought ... would it be possible to remove the hardened > > grease by > > applying a solvent to the affected area over a few days, and so > > without > > dismantling pinch rollers? > > > > Gra' > From rob at rhoag.com Wed Dec 21 23:13:51 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:13:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: <20051221202806.51279.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Scott, it worked for me, using the alcohol, and Ron has reported it works for him. I only mentioned the acetone as a stronger degreaser, it's also one of the safest strong ones to work with, replacing the old carbon tet, but I also said that it can't be used on plastics, and that would probably include the rubber parts. On Polyethylene, polypropylene and nylon I don't think it will hurt or affect any of them, but it would be a good idea to check on an inconspicuous piece first. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE That was highly recommended to a Naktalk poster several months ago and he claimed that it didn't work. Unfortunately the pivot shaft is press fit into a white nylon sleeve so acetone is not recommended. To be safe only use alcohol (>90%). Apply solvent, move pinch roller, apply solvent, move pinch roller, repeat. This may take a long time. You will get greatest amount of movement with the transport in Play mode (with no tape). 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But he told me that folks here at NAKTALK might be able to help me on how to to this. Below is the thread of e-mail from Jeff and myself explaning my dilemma. Thank you in advance and may you folks have a wonderful holiday season!!! John, As much as I would like to spend the time with the explination, I'm way behind in my work. Therefore, if you don't mind, may I suggest that you ask the guys on NAKTALK www.naks.com. They will be able to help you with all the details. Sincerely, Jeff Galin I appreciate the advise Jeff. I might try that and hopefully I don't damage the unit. I am just glad that it is not an electrical problem in which I have no idea on how to fix. Do I have to take out the whole assembly to do this or can I do it without dismantling the whole mechanism? And what type of lubricant can I use? Thanks again Jeff and have a Merry X-mas!!! Best Regards, John L. Best Regards, John L. >>> 12/21/2005 12:41:19 PM >>> Hi John, More than likely the grease on the pressure roller pivot points has dried-out and therefore the pressure rollers are not coming down to the capstans. If this is a problem, there are likely many other age related failures that need attention. If you are mechanically inclined, you can remove the grease and relubricate these arms. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Litonjua" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: NAKAMICHI RX-505 Hello I recently acquired a RX-505 that won't play, FF & RW are working fine. I am a bit inclined in minor repairing like belt replacement and such so I replaced the two belts that are visible as you take the covers off. Now, the unit is playing but it is playing at a high speed...what gives???? Would you able to offer me advise on what the problem might be and approximately how much it would cost to fix? I greatly appreciate your time and may you have a great Holiday season!!! Best Regards, John L. "Messaging Security" made the following annotations on 12/21/2005 05:03:44 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------- THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE, INCLUDING ANY ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS, IS CONFIDENTIAL, intended for the sole use of the addressee(s), and may contain information that is privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 09:14:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:14:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX expander for NAK Dragon? Message-ID: Hello RICHARD! My first question is "WHY"...you need another external noise reduction??? If you record using those DBX units...you MUST WILL reply trough them...& if you loan a cassette to any friend/relatives...etc, if they DON'T have such DBX decoder...the sound will be UGLY!!!! I own the same Dragon, if I wanted only I use Dolby B...99% I record with NO "NR" engaged, as sometime i want to listen my recorded trough my lovely 100% perfectly working Dragon unit inside my car...for so...NO NR sounds better & 100% right! Regards, ALEX! >From: "RICHARD FIne" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] DBX expander for NAK Dragon? >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:43:35 -0800 > >Hello, >I have noticed a mention of DBX expanders used with NAK decks. Could I get >some recommendations for use of these with my Dragon. Will use of these >degrade sound quality at all? I have a very revealing system. > >Thanks, > >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Dec 22 13:02:41 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:02:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem Message-ID: I have a strange problem in trying to adjust the Bias and Rec levels on my 582 Nak. Moving the controls on the left or right side moves the meters on both sides in different degrees. Perhaps there is a problem in the bias oscillator. Can anyone suggest where to look please? David From michael.erhard at santanaproducts.com Thu Dec 22 14:59:17 2005 From: michael.erhard at santanaproducts.com (Erhard, Mike) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:59:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DBX expander for NAK Dragon? Message-ID: <9188FD7B1E714A4A9460210D4180FE2012780C@lucy.santanaproducts.com> Are you talking about using and expander like a 1, 2 , or 3bx or dbx noise reduction like a 224 ?? The expander would not be a good choice to record with but you could use it on playback if there is not a lot of dynamic range in the source. The dbx expander is also a compressor so at quieter spots i.e. quiet passages or between tracks could further reduce any tap hiss. Now dbx also makes or made noise reduction systems similar to dolby. However that system did not fair that well. After encoding you must decode for playback so therefore you need to have dbx noise reduction in place so you are limited for playback outside your own system. Good Luck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DBX expander for NAK Dragon? Hello RICHARD! My first question is "WHY"...you need another external noise reduction??? If you record using those DBX units...you MUST WILL reply trough them...& if you loan a cassette to any friend/relatives...etc, if they DON'T have such DBX decoder...the sound will be UGLY!!!! I own the same Dragon, if I wanted only I use Dolby B...99% I record with NO "NR" engaged, as sometime i want to listen my recorded trough my lovely 100% perfectly working Dragon unit inside my car...for so...NO NR sounds better & 100% right! Regards, ALEX! >From: "RICHARD FIne" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] DBX expander for NAK Dragon? >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:43:35 -0800 > >Hello, >I have noticed a mention of DBX expanders used with NAK decks. Could I get >some recommendations for use of these with my Dragon. Will use of these >degrade sound quality at all? I have a very revealing system. > >Thanks, > >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From gnarlybomb at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 17:03:54 2005 From: gnarlybomb at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:03:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Message-ID: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Dec 22 23:06:11 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:06:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43AB2353.1010705@rcn.com> Mike Douglas wrote: > Hi, > Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is > there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to > maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if > wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike > Not really. However, it's a good idea to store cassettes after playing (rather than fast forwarding or rewinding), especially before long periods of storage. This minimizes print through and wow. -- Ron From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Dec 22 17:28:47 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:28:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx 228 manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051222112801.01c57000@psulias.psu.edu> Anyone have a copy of a dbx 228 (or even 224) manual they would be willing to scan for me? Thanks, Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 17:30:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Message-ID: Hi Mike! What I really do...is to run them each side at least twice forward & back; reversed to side B & again...after so Side A is ready for play 99% with NO problems, if the cassette, was NOT used for long term...1/2 year or longer...so with this very simple issue IF...exist any tape blinder stick around this procedure will free the tape! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Mike Douglas >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:03:54 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, > Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is >there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to >maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if wound >too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 22 17:51:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:51:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c60717$fbe57900$b3cd87d9@oemcomputer> Interesting question, for which I have no answer. However, I recall that, when I worked in a computer centre some 20 years ago, we "maximized" computer tape performance not only by cleaning and degaussing the tape reader heads but also by cleaning the tapes themselves. I did wonder if anything similar had ever been used at least for R2R tapes. Kermit? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike Douglas Sent: 22 December 2005 16:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Hi, Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:33:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43AB37BB.2030408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, Mike Douglas wrote: > Hi, > Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is > there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to > maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if > wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike Just take the tapes out of the deck and keep them in their case when not in use. Store them upright, not flat, keep them out of the sun or hot automobile interiors. Keep them away from magnetic fields, high humidity, or dusty environments. The tapes themselves do not need cleaning or internal adjustments. Fine tune bias during recording. That should do it! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rich_121 at msn.com Fri Dec 23 02:04:27 2005 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:04:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not working... Message-ID: Hello, I plan to send my Dragon to ESL soon, for full service/restoration, but, I would like to get it working for now (won't be shipping it for about a month). The problem: When I try to play a cassette, I push forward, the forward button lights, the tape plays for only a split second, then returns to the off position. I try the same, in reverse, and the exact same happens. When I try to fast-forward, or fast reverse, same happens. Any easy posibility, or just wait until I ship it to ESL? Thanks, Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Dec 23 07:38:18 2005 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:38:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Message-ID: Give 'em a good, sharp bash on the dashboard.........heh heh!!!! No, seriously Mike, with the tapes themselves it's all pretty much prophylactic. Ensure the tape lives in it's norelco case when not in use, store upright preferably (forgot where I heard that), keep the tape cool, dry, away from magnetic sources such as unshielded speakers, take the tape out of the machine when not in use, ensure heads are clean when the tape is used, do not touch the tape itself. As a general habit tapes taken out of your studio/listening room/area should be barred from re-entering unless you follow the above maxims. Tapes can get particles of dust in them when they go outdoors/in the car/camping/to the beach etc. We've all met tapes who lived on the car floor, bottom of a gym bag etc. Putting them back in your prize Nak is not advised!! However, there's no real way to tweak a tape. Hope this helps - Marc >>> gnarlybomb at yahoo.com 12/22/2005 6:03:54 PM >>> Hi, Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Dec 23 10:29:31 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:29:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance References: <20051222160354.16894.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43AB2353.1010705@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002701c607a3$61759f80$30ee9e51@compaq> > Not really. > > However, it's a good idea to store cassettes > after playing???????? (rather than fast forwarding or > rewinding), especially before long periods of > storage. This minimizes print through and wow. > > -- Ron ??????????????????????????????? Started downing the good suff already Ron??? ;-) Merry Christmas to one and all, don't get too Nak-erd!!! Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > Mike Douglas wrote: > > Hi, > > Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is > > there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves to > > maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening somehow if > > wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike > > > > Not really. > > However, it's a good idea to store cassettes > after playing (rather than fast forwarding or > rewinding), especially before long periods of > storage. This minimizes print through and wow. > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23/12/05 > > From andrew.spencer at manepa.com Fri Dec 23 10:41:05 2005 From: andrew.spencer at manepa.com (Andrew Spencer) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:41:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Fault Message-ID: I recently acquired a near mint Condition Cassette Deck 1 on ebay which had been fully serviced approx. 18 months ago and only used 20 or so hours since. The seller did in his description say that as a result on the belt been in constant tension and unused for some time that it would not play tightly wound cassettes and all that was required for perfect reproduction was a new belt, which I duly ordered from B&W. On receiving the Deck I inserted a cassette and closed the door, there was a whirring sound and then an Err message was shown on the display, none of the buttons would work. I turned off the deck and tried again, same result! I contacted B&W and spoke to an engineer who said this was not anything to do with the belt but was more likely to be a problem with the motor. I contacted the seller and advised him of the problem. He came back to me and said the motor had been replaced in the service and the engineer who had serviced the deck at Linton Audio had advised him that it wasn't likely to be the motor but could be oxidation of selector switches due to lack of use. This morning I powered up the deck again and no error message appeared. The buttons now funtion and the deck will Fast Forward and Rewind a cassette but when play is engaged the right hand spindle turns but the both capstans remain static. After a few seconds the deck takes itself out of the Play mode. Firstly, could anyone throw any light on what may be causing this problem? If it is oxidation of the selector switches how doe I identify these to treat with Deoxit? Any help would be very welcome! Seasons Greeting from Ireland! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2460 bytes Desc: not available URL: From matyas at bluewin.ch Fri Dec 23 10:47:16 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:47:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem Message-ID: <43ABC7A4.7090503@bluewin.ch> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matyas at bluewin.ch Fri Dec 23 10:53:21 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:53:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not working... Message-ID: <43ABC911.2040000@bluewin.ch> Sounds like a dead pilot lamp. Does your counter turn when a tape is forwarded or rewinded? From matyas at sonypro.ch Fri Dec 23 11:28:14 2005 From: matyas at sonypro.ch (matyas) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:28:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem Message-ID: <200512231128.AA4915370@sonypro.ch> Do you mean "in different direction" rather than "in different degree" ? This is normal. On the 582, turning to the right the bias knob increase the bias current, so the high frequencies decrease. (visualized by the 15 kHz tune). If you are lost in the bias settings, get it right by this way: record 400Hz and maximize level with bias controls. After level maximization, get it right with "rec level adjustments" , Then finally fine tune 15 kHz with bias. This is the user manual way. I prefer to consider as right a bias setting set by 400Hz level maximization only. This is the best way to ensure a flat response to middle level, -10 dB, -5 dB & 0 dB. fun to see that THD is not greater than 0.5% @ 0dB with this method. I recommend anybody to use FFT spectrum analysis of pink noise for fine bias setting. A simple was is to use Cubase + Voxengo SPAN. If you want a total control, You can find the best real time analysis software there: DSSF3 http://www.ymec.com/products/dssf3e/index.htm or on alternative ways... But I guess that today, audio computer & tape recording machine are a paradox. Anyway, never it has been so easy to outperform calibration standards. I actually do home work for tape restoration: phase correction settings of combined IIR & FIR filters. You probably won't bother with recording tapes if you can burn CD or DVD audio. I do tapes sometimes for the fun ;-) So to stay with your 582 question and assuming you don't have a good sound card, in general, after a 400Hz level maximization & calibration, 15 kHz tone show values between +5 ~ +7 dB on the needle meter. (understand -15 & -13 dB as there is an +20 dB amplification of the reading for this frequency) If it doesn't, there is an azimuth issue or your tape is worn out/ or bad quality one. You can leave it like that. Just pay attention to balance 15kHz on both channels, don't bother if they are above 0dB! The resulting sound is brighter at low levels (nice to pass through the masking noise), & right sounding to high levels. By very very far this is the best way. Congratulations for your 582. This is a very nice deck. Matyas I have a strange problem in trying to adjust the Bias and Rec levels on my 582 Nak. Moving the controls on the left or right side moves the meters on both sides in different degrees. Perhaps there is a problem in the bias oscillator. Can anyone suggest where to look please? David ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - --- [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Dec 23 11:32:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:32:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not working... Message-ID: Rich! Check the belts...can be loose & or defectives!!! ALEX! >From: "RICHARD FIne" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not working... >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:04:27 -0800 > >Hello, >I plan to send my Dragon to ESL soon, for full service/restoration, but, I >would like to get it working for now (won't be shipping it for about a >month). >The problem: >When I try to play a cassette, I push forward, the forward button lights, >the tape plays for only a split second, then returns to the off position. I >try the same, in reverse, and the exact same happens. When I try to >fast-forward, or fast reverse, same happens. >Any easy posibility, or just wait until I ship it to ESL? > >Thanks, > >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 23 14:56:17 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:56:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <003101c60717$fbe57900$b3cd87d9@oemcomputer> References: <003101c60717$fbe57900$b3cd87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43AC0201.6000905@rcn.com> Kermit may have a better answer. However, some RTR machines (I specifically recall Grundig) incorporated a tape cleaning attachment. I imagine that cassettes protect the tape better than reels and that smaller width reduces the chance of dirt embedding itself on the tape surface -- I've never seen a cleaner offered on a cassette deck. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > Interesting question, for which I have no answer. However, I recall > that, when I worked in a computer centre some 20 years ago, we > "maximized" computer tape performance not only by cleaning and > degaussing the tape reader heads but also by cleaning the tapes > themselves. I did wonder if anything similar had ever been used at > least for R2R tapes. Kermit? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Mike Douglas > *Sent:* 22 December 2005 16:04 > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > > Hi, > Aside from using a head cleaner and demagnetizer on the deck, is > there anything which can be done to the actual cassettes themselves > to maximize performance(i.e. cleaning of some kind, loosening > somehow if wound too tight)? Thanks in advance for any input. -Mike > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 23 15:19:00 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:19:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Fault In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AC0754.1030607@rcn.com> Typical e-place story... In general, 18 month shouldn't be long enough to cause deterioration, provided the machine was properly stored. I would clean all switches, then leave the deck powered for several hours, trying to exercise it occasionally and keeping my nose on the lookout for smoke... This can prove enough to cure the problem. -- Ron Andrew Spencer wrote: > I recently acquired a near mint Condition Cassette Deck 1 on ebay which had > been fully serviced approx. 18 months ago and only used 20 or so hours > since. > > The seller did in his description say that as a result on the belt been in > constant tension and unused for some time that it would not play tightly > wound cassettes and all that was required for perfect reproduction was a new > belt, which I duly ordered from B&W. > > On receiving the Deck I inserted a cassette and closed the door, there was a > whirring sound and then an Err message was shown on the display, none of the > buttons would work. > > I turned off the deck and tried again, same result! > > I contacted B&W and spoke to an engineer who said this was not anything to > do with the belt but was more likely to be a problem with the motor. > > I contacted the seller and advised him of the problem. He came back to me > and said the motor had been replaced in the service and the engineer who had > serviced the deck at Linton Audio had advised him that it wasn't likely to > be the motor but could be oxidation of selector switches due to lack of use. > > This morning I powered up the deck again and no error message appeared. The > buttons now funtion and the deck will Fast Forward and Rewind a cassette but > when play is engaged the right hand spindle turns but the both capstans > remain static. After a few seconds the deck takes itself out of the Play > mode. > > Firstly, could anyone throw any light on what may be causing this problem? > > If it is oxidation of the selector switches how doe I identify these to > treat with Deoxit? > > Any help would be very welcome! > > Seasons Greeting from Ireland! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 16:34:23 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:34:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Fault In-Reply-To: <43AC0754.1030607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051223153423.91971.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of teh problem that comes to my mind is C Deck 1's( earlier models) have a bad Matsushita Capstan motor which fails ealry - check whether Capstan Mootor is working when you hit play Your CD 1' Cam mode motor is also having problem I suspect - due tor err message. If the cam mode motor stops in between specific positions - position sensor switches ( 3 of them ) can inform the Micro processor. The reason for your earlier problem. Since that problem is temporarily gone - try switching on - off as well as witching modes many times make the Cam mode motor to function without problems. Kannan Ron wrote: Typical e-place story... In general, 18 month shouldn't be long enough to cause deterioration, provided the machine was properly stored. I would clean all switches, then leave the deck powered for several hours, trying to exercise it occasionally and keeping my nose on the lookout for smoke... This can prove enough to cure the problem. -- Ron Andrew Spencer wrote: > I recently acquired a near mint Condition Cassette Deck 1 on ebay which had > been fully serviced approx. 18 months ago and only used 20 or so hours > since. > > The seller did in his description say that as a result on the belt been in > constant tension and unused for some time that it would not play tightly > wound cassettes and all that was required for perfect reproduction was a new > belt, which I duly ordered from B&W. > > On receiving the Deck I inserted a cassette and closed the door, there was a > whirring sound and then an Err message was shown on the display, none of the > buttons would work. > > I turned off the deck and tried again, same result! > > I contacted B&W and spoke to an engineer who said this was not anything to > do with the belt but was more likely to be a problem with the motor. > > I contacted the seller and advised him of the problem. He came back to me > and said the motor had been replaced in the service and the engineer who had > serviced the deck at Linton Audio had advised him that it wasn't likely to > be the motor but could be oxidation of selector switches due to lack of use. > > This morning I powered up the deck again and no error message appeared. The > buttons now funtion and the deck will Fast Forward and Rewind a cassette but > when play is engaged the right hand spindle turns but the both capstans > remain static. After a few seconds the deck takes itself out of the Play > mode. > > Firstly, could anyone throw any light on what may be causing this problem? > > If it is oxidation of the selector switches how doe I identify these to > treat with Deoxit? > > Any help would be very welcome! > > Seasons Greeting from Ireland! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Excellent job! I finally got around to listening to the production using a high quality DAC and one of Ti Kan's M3 ClassA headphone amps into some Sennheiser HD-600s. Kermit, the mastering is excellent.....the saturation, balance, and noise control to end up with consistent output from such divergent sources gives it a very professional sound. The cut selections are great too! A definite jazz influenced rock assemblage with a few surprises and a southern influence! How Prince and Andrea Boccelli reside on the same album side by side may surprise some, but it holds up well as an overall collection. Thanks from the San Francisco end to the Atlanta crowd and Kermit for a job well done! Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 15:41:16 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:41:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not working... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051223144116.52634.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rich, Please check the small belt going to the white cam wheel. It is loose which is why when you press any of the mode buttons, the cam wheel does not turn to the appropriate position. It is a small round rubber belt, about 2.5cm in diameter. Regards, Bala 79 Labs Alex Cozac wrote: Rich! Check the belts...can be loose & or defectives!!! ALEX! >From: "RICHARD FIne" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon not working... >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:04:27 -0800 > >Hello, >I plan to send my Dragon to ESL soon, for full service/restoration, but, I >would like to get it working for now (won't be shipping it for about a >month). >The problem: >When I try to play a cassette, I push forward, the forward button lights, >the tape plays for only a split second, then returns to the off position. I >try the same, in reverse, and the exact same happens. When I try to >fast-forward, or fast reverse, same happens. >Any easy posibility, or just wait until I ship it to ESL? > >Thanks, > >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Dec 23 18:13:47 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:13:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon CD In-Reply-To: <001f01c607c8$2915b560$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: I thought I remembered some comments about it... Kermit, how's the progress on sending them out.. was hopeing I'd get mine for Christmas! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 5:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Marathon CD >Doane wrote: >Not being pushy, just wondering what the status is on the CD... really >looking forward to getting mine. >Merry Christmas or what ever Seasons Greetings are special to all of you! >Thanks, Doane Hi Doan, I received my CD about 1 1/2 week ago....I repeat my earlier post and review here: Kermit, Atlanta Mike, and Marathon Contributors! Excellent job! I finally got around to listening to the production using a high quality DAC and one of Ti Kan's M3 ClassA headphone amps into some Sennheiser HD-600s. Kermit, the mastering is excellent.....the saturation, balance, and noise control to end up with consistent output from such divergent sources gives it a very professional sound. The cut selections are great too! A definite jazz influenced rock assemblage with a few surprises and a southern influence! How Prince and Andrea Boccelli reside on the same album side by side may surprise some, but it holds up well as an overall collection. Thanks from the San Francisco end to the Atlanta crowd and Kermit for a job well done! Robert Kent From matyas at sonypro.ch Fri Dec 23 18:24:22 2005 From: matyas at sonypro.ch (matyas) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:24:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? Message-ID: <200512231824.AA1507720@sonypro.ch> I have bought in year 2000 an oil from Sony parts.. It is Floil 946P. Today I have reach the shelve where it was "sleeping" for years. Strange, strange... I cannot remember if this THING (see picture) http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/6550/floil946p1ts.jpg was there (around the bottle neck) when I received the bottle!!! What the hell is this thing? a protective film? Hardened, plastified oil ??? It is semi-rigid, elastic, fragile... Please tell me if I must dismount & clean+relub the capstans of my Nak 700 II.. at that time I was happy to relub it with this "precision oil" Does my Naks are. BTW.. my Nak 680ZX is utter cement glued since 2 years & plastic screw retainer is dead!!! UNFORTUNATELY I don't remember if I had dropped some oil in this Nak. Am I right to feel unsecure with this bottle ? ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - --- [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] From ktl at bornet.net Fri Dec 23 18:32:03 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:32:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100, CR-1/2 service manuals In-Reply-To: <006b01c607c4$6cf86380$daa772d8@tomna1na1779kz> Message-ID: You will find BX100 and CR1 on my homepage. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dodge Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 2:26 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-100, CR-1/2 service manuals Hi. Are either of these service manuals available anywhere by downloading? Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 23 18:55:56 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:55:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AC3A2C.5020506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, You haven't gotten yours? You should have had it days ago. Send me your address offlist so I can verify I didn't goof on it. Doane Hoag wrote: > Not being pushy, just wondering what the status is on the CD... really > looking forward to getting mine. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jberger at well.com Fri Dec 23 19:06:39 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remember any of these? Message-ID: The C-90 Project: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Dec 23 20:31:49 2005 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (john) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:31:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? In-Reply-To: <43AC3A2C.5020506@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <200512231940.jBNJe879010430@ylpvm01.prodigy.net> Speaking of CD's, still waiting for mine also. Thanks. John from Orange, CA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:56 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? Hi Doane, You haven't gotten yours? You should have had it days ago. Send me your address offlist so I can verify I didn't goof on it. Doane Hoag wrote: > Not being pushy, just wondering what the status is on the CD... really > looking forward to getting mine. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Dec 23 21:28:32 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:28:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon CD Message-ID: <20051223202820.QRCS19943.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Merry Christmas to you also! > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Date: 2005/12/23 Fri PM 12:07:54 EST > To: rjkent at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon CD > > Hi Friends, > > Merry Christmas and Season Greetings to all of you. Have a Happy Holidays ahead! > > Best Wishes, > Bala Ganesh > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marlin at amerion.com Fri Dec 23 21:52:23 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:52:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak 700II question Message-ID: <002101c60802$c73edb60$58ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> I have a 700II I am working on. I tightened all the pc board springs and replaced the belts with the specified prb line belts. I'm getting a fairly slow rewind and fast forward. Is it possible the ffw/rw motor is shot, I would it be wise to check the pcb spring clips again? I have done them two times. Also looking for original 700 literature/service manuals- Thanks- John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 21:55:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:55:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? In-Reply-To: <200512231824.AA1507720@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <20051223205552.20330.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi. Ok, I'm not getting the part about the 680ZX clearly. Can you repeat again? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel : 065-6584-2479 matyas wrote: I have bought in year 2000 an oil from Sony parts.. It is Floil 946P. Today I have reach the shelve where it was "sleeping" for years. Strange, strange... I cannot remember if this THING (see picture) http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/6550/floil946p1ts.jpg was there (around the bottle neck) when I received the bottle!!! What the hell is this thing? a protective film? Hardened, plastified oil ??? It is semi-rigid, elastic, fragile... Please tell me if I must dismount & clean+relub the capstans of my Nak 700 II.. at that time I was happy to relub it with this "precision oil" Does my Naks are. BTW.. my Nak 680ZX is utter cement glued since 2 years & plastic screw retainer is dead!!! UNFORTUNATELY I don't remember if I had dropped some oil in this Nak. Am I right to feel unsecure with this bottle ? ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - --- [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 23 22:01:18 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:01:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! Message-ID: hEY NAK FREAKS, aNYONE OUT THERE WITH A DR SERIES DECK TO SELL? i AM INTERESTED. dR- 8, DR-10 , DR-1, DR-3, DR-2 - Felix From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Dec 23 23:25:50 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:25:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? In-Reply-To: <200512231940.jBNJe879010430@ylpvm01.prodigy.net> References: <200512231940.jBNJe879010430@ylpvm01.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <43AC796E.7020905@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John, john wrote: > Speaking of CD's, still waiting for mine also. > Ok, this is disturbing. You haven't gotten yours too? You should have had it days ago. EVERYONE in the USA should have their CDs. ANYONE who didn't get their CDs yet, let me know offlist. Send me your address offlist so I can verify I didn't use the wrong address. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From matyas at bluewin.ch Sat Dec 24 01:00:40 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:00:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? Message-ID: <43AC8FA8.1050705@bluewin.ch> Hi Bala! the part: ""Does my Naks are."" is a typo! sorry! Basically, I just wanted to know about this oil. But if you can also tell me if it exist a metal nut whatever compatible as a replacement for that white nylon nut.. would be nice. Without this special nut, my 680ZX is dead. The pinch rollers shafts/pivots are glued & the plastic nut retainer/adjuster (on the left side) is damaged, after I had actionate the pinch arm with finger for a while. (with alchool drops on the bearing). Since this accident, I have not dismounted this deck, as I have better ones to enjoy & knew that the game was loose. So I can't tell you acurately how this retainer is damaged. I remember that in a first time the de-guleing trick has done the job for a while. Some days after, the playback sound was morphing... less brightness, (I was thinking about dirty tape) after tape mechanical noise appeared I looked in my Nak.. and saw the left pinch arm loosened, and making pressure (the nut) on the head bridge, even disengaging (moving down) the head bridge was difficult. Of course I had pay attention to pull the brigde towards me to allow the clearance. I guess that the inner spiral of this nylon nut is worn out. Any hope? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 24 07:49:46 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:49:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <003101c60717$fbe57900$b3cd87d9@oemcomputer> References: <003101c60717$fbe57900$b3cd87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43ACEF8A.5040404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Interesting question, for which I have no answer. However, I recall > that, when I worked in a computer centre some 20 years ago, we > "maximized" computer tape performance not only by cleaning and > degaussing the tape reader heads but also by cleaning the tapes > themselves. I did wonder if anything similar had ever been used at > least for R2R tapes. Kermit? Nope. There was a very brief fad of cleaning reel-to-reel tapes but it was found to ruin the oxide fairly quickly --and sometimes made the tape sticky after a single cleaning. Instantly ruined the tape! The "cleaned" tapes clogged the recorder's heads faster than uncleaned tapes. The only maintenance a reel-to-reel tape needs is the occasional replacement of worn-out hubs or bent flanges (which is why the larger metal reels are screwed together); and keeping the leaders in good shape. The advantage of cassettes are that they are maintenance-free, if you will. Occasionally a shell warps or is damaged, which is one reason empty shells can be purchased. The best way to maintain a casstte tape, though, is to keep the recorder or player properly maintained. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sat Dec 24 11:30:14 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:30:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem In-Reply-To: <200512231128.AA4915370@sonypro.ch> References: <200512231128.AA4915370@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <1150828ddd27da6a3582b1ed2521e778@zoomnet.com.au> Matyas Thanks for your interesting comments. I have found it assists to use the 400Hz tone for the bias setting also. Now I know why! However I did not explain my problem well. What is happening is not normal. Adjusting the left channel settings should not affect the settings on the right channel as well as the left, but that is what is happening. And vice versa. There must be a shorting between the left and right somewhere. My first guess is to look at the transistors in the bias oscillator. Any more knowledgeable advice would be appreciated. David On 23/12/2005, at 8:28 PM, matyas wrote: > Do you mean "in different direction" rather than "in different > degree" ? > > This is normal. On the 582, turning to the right the bias knob > increase the bias current, > so the high frequencies decrease. (visualized by the 15 kHz tune). > > If you are lost in the bias settings, get it right by this way: > record 400Hz and maximize level with bias controls. > After level maximization, get it right with "rec level adjustments" , > Then finally fine tune 15 kHz with bias. This is the user manual way. > > I prefer to consider as right a bias setting set by 400Hz > level maximization only. This is the best way to ensure a flat > response to middle level, -10 dB, -5 dB & 0 dB. > fun to see that THD is not greater than 0.5% @ 0dB with this method. > I recommend anybody to use FFT spectrum analysis of pink noise for > fine bias setting. > A simple was is to use Cubase + Voxengo SPAN. > If you want a total control, > You can find the best real time analysis software there: > DSSF3 http://www.ymec.com/products/dssf3e/index.htm > or on alternative ways... > > But I guess that today, audio computer & tape recording machine are a > paradox. > Anyway, never it has been so easy to outperform calibration standards. > I actually do home work for tape restoration: phase correction > settings of combined IIR & FIR filters. > You probably won't bother with recording tapes if you can burn CD or > DVD audio. > I do tapes sometimes for the fun ;-) > > So to stay with your 582 question and assuming you don't have a good > sound card, in general, > after a 400Hz level maximization & calibration, 15 kHz tone show > values between +5 ~ +7 dB on the needle meter. > (understand -15 & -13 dB as there is an +20 dB amplification of the > reading for this frequency) > If it doesn't, there is an azimuth issue or your tape is worn out/ or > bad quality one. > You can leave it like that. Just pay attention to balance 15kHz on > both channels, > don't bother if they are above 0dB! > > The resulting sound is brighter at low levels (nice to pass through > the masking noise), & right sounding to high levels. > By very very far this is the best way. > Congratulations for your 582. This is a very nice deck. > > Matyas > > > I have a strange problem in trying to adjust the Bias and Rec levels on > my 582 Nak. Moving the controls on the left or right side moves the > meters on both sides in different degrees. Perhaps there is a problem > in the bias oscillator. Can anyone suggest where to look please? > > David > > > > > ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ > - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From ddino77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 13:22:58 2005 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? Message-ID: <410-2200512624122258659@earthlink.net> Looks like the plastic packaging material. Definately not dry or rotten oil. ddan > [Original Message] > From: matyas > To: > Date: 12/23/2005 4:00:43 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? > > I have bought in year 2000 an oil from Sony parts.. > It is Floil 946P. Today I have reach the shelve where it was "sleeping" for years. > > Strange, strange... I cannot remember if this THING (see picture) > > http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/6550/floil946p1ts.jpg > > was there (around the bottle neck) when I received the bottle!!! > What the hell is this thing? > a protective film? > Hardened, plastified oil ??? > It is semi-rigid, elastic, fragile... > > Please tell me if I must dismount & clean+relub the capstans of my Nak 700 II.. at that time I was happy to relub it with this "precision oil" Does my Naks are. > > BTW.. my Nak 680ZX is utter cement glued since 2 years & plastic screw retainer is dead!!! 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If you find this problem in Metal bias - check Chrom tape setting. If Chrome or Normal setting is better, then this capacitor is after the splitter part or the splitter part before tape type selector switch has the problem. Lack of enough bias to get the 15 Khz signal down to 0 db or below ( where 0db is actually -20 db with reference to 400 Hz level) indicates Orange Cap problem in bias oscillator kannan Matyas wrote: Hi David I am trying to upload the N-582 service manual to Thomas Nak mine FTP.. but it is sluggish. I made it available on file sharing. Get the manual there: http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=d5931ac5f7b32f011d2281ff your description sounds like a weak bias drive.You are right willing to replace transistors. But replace also C315 (4.7 uF 25V) it is a common source of failure ! (you can even start by this cap, It might cure directly the problem). If there is yet problems, replace orange film caps in the bias circuit. Let us know some news about your repair Regards, Matyas ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 24 14:58:37 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:58:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <43ACEF8A.5040404@woods-and-waters.com> References: <003101c60717$fbe57900$b3cd87d9@oemcomputer> <43ACEF8A.5040404@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43AD540D.2060206@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > >> Interesting question, for which I have no answer. However, I recall >> that, when I worked in a computer centre some 20 years ago, we >> "maximized" computer tape performance not only by cleaning and >> degaussing the tape reader heads but also by cleaning the tapes >> themselves. I did wonder if anything similar had ever been used at >> least for R2R tapes. Kermit? > > > Nope. There was a very brief fad of cleaning reel-to-reel tapes but it > was found to ruin the oxide fairly quickly --and sometimes made the tape > sticky after a single cleaning. Instantly ruined the tape! The "cleaned" > tapes clogged the recorder's heads faster than uncleaned tapes. I beg to differ. In the early 70s I owned a Grundig TK-45, then TK-47. Both machines came with a small gismo that cleaned tape by fastforwading it between two cotton wool pads. I know I used it regularly on my small tape collection (a few dozen reels). It was effective, as pads had to be occasionally replaced -- they got dirty with use. I also seem to remember that it had a good effect on high frequency response. Over the years I also owned a Ferrograpg (can't remember the model) and ReVox G-36. Neither had a facility for wiping the tape, so whenever I felt their sound got dull, I cleaned the tape on the TK-45, which must have accomplished the task, as I kept on doing it. Can't recall anyone calling tape cleaning 'a fad'. I imagine current tape formulations are less prone to flaking, so it's no longer necessary. I am convinced it was necessary at the time. BTW, at the time, heads had to be cleaned *far* more often that on current cassette decks -- Ron > > The only maintenance a reel-to-reel tape needs is the occasional > replacement of worn-out hubs or bent flanges (which is why the larger > metal reels are screwed together); and keeping the leaders in good shape. > > The advantage of cassettes are that they are maintenance-free, if you > will. Occasionally a shell warps or is damaged, which is one reason > empty shells can be purchased. The best way to maintain a casstte tape, > though, is to keep the recorder or player properly maintained. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > From ktl at bornet.net Sat Dec 24 15:32:03 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:32:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? File Hosting ! 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Please refer our service and website to your friends..... > > LINK: > CODE http://uploadhut.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 24 16:02:35 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:02:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <43AD540D.2060206@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c6089b$130e5fa0$ab8e87d9@oemcomputer> I am sure you are right, Ron, about the likelihood of the earlier tapes to flake. In the computer centre where I worked, the tapes used were of the highest quality of that time, and yet, we cleaned the tape reader heads at the start of every shift and very often in between them, too. Tape read problems, which prevented a program running, were often cured very simply by cleaning the offending tape rather than re-creating the file thereon. As I recall, our tape cleaners used cotton pads and a blade set very precisely just above the tape's surface, so that it would lift off any oxide flakes (usually put there by other tapes, via tape reader heads.) They worked at a very high speed. Gra' > I beg to differ. In the early 70s I owned a > Grundig TK-45, then TK-47. Both machines came > with a small gismo that cleaned tape by > fastforwading it between two cotton wool pads. > I know I used it regularly on my small tape > collection (a few dozen reels). It was > effective, as pads had to be occasionally > replaced -- they got dirty with use. I also > seem to remember that it had a good effect on > high frequency response. > > Over the years I also owned a Ferrograpg (can't > remember the model) and ReVox G-36. Neither had > a facility for wiping the tape, so whenever I > felt their sound got dull, I cleaned the tape > on the TK-45, which must have accomplished the > task, as I kept on doing it. > > Can't recall anyone calling tape cleaning 'a > fad'. I imagine current tape formulations are > less prone to flaking, so it's no longer > necessary. I am convinced it was necessary at > the time. BTW, at the time, heads had to be > cleaned *far* more often that on current > cassette decks > > -- Ron > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Dec 24 18:04:46 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:04:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Hari Krishna (sp?) and any thing else you all celebrate for this and the new year!! May 2006 be one of peace and harmony in this crazy world, maybe more beautiful music will help it happen. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! ...and out on lawn there arose such a clatter...I just blew a woofer, thats whats the matter! The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,in hopes that my Furman SRM80 signal router would soon be there!Now i can really hook up my Nakamichi's to my cd's and turntables and hopefully get some seriuos recording done! Very happy holidays to all the excellent Naktalk community! P.S, notice my new DSL e-mail address,thanks! 8-) http://www.hollywooddj.com/furmansrm80a.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Dec 24 18:04:45 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:04:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <43ACEF8A.5040404@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I sort of remember that, there was even a home reel tape "cleaning" machine out for awhile. I also remember some of the early attempts at record disk "cleaners" Ouch! And, how about most of the cassete deck mechanical head cleaners that sort of tried to throw your heads out of alignment or sand the head surfaces with overly abrasive cleaner tape? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:50 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Interesting question, for which I have no answer. However, I recall > that, when I worked in a computer centre some 20 years ago, we > "maximized" computer tape performance not only by cleaning and > degaussing the tape reader heads but also by cleaning the tapes > themselves. I did wonder if anything similar had ever been used at > least for R2R tapes. Kermit? Nope. There was a very brief fad of cleaning reel-to-reel tapes but it was found to ruin the oxide fairly quickly --and sometimes made the tape sticky after a single cleaning. Instantly ruined the tape! The "cleaned" tapes clogged the recorder's heads faster than uncleaned tapes. The only maintenance a reel-to-reel tape needs is the occasional replacement of worn-out hubs or bent flanges (which is why the larger metal reels are screwed together); and keeping the leaders in good shape. The advantage of cassettes are that they are maintenance-free, if you will. Occasionally a shell warps or is damaged, which is one reason empty shells can be purchased. The best way to maintain a casstte tape, though, is to keep the recorder or player properly maintained. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 24 20:10:35 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:10:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AD9D2B.4050205@rcn.com> Doane Hoag wrote: > May 2006 be one of peace and harmony in this crazy world, maybe more > beautiful music will help it happen. Amen, -- Ron > > Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of jerryjg > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:23 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! > > > > ...and out on lawn there arose such a clatter...I just blew a woofer, > thats whats the matter! The stockings were hung by the chimney with > care,in hopes that my Furman SRM80 signal router would soon be there!Now i > can really hook up my Nakamichi's to my cd's and turntables and hopefully > get some seriuos recording done! Very happy holidays to all the excellent > Naktalk community! P.S, notice my new DSL e-mail address,thanks! > 8-) > http://www.hollywooddj.com/furmansrm80a.html From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 24 20:12:41 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:12:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100, CR-1/2 service manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AD9DA9.5000700@rcn.com> Looked very hard but couldn't find them. Where are they lurking? :-) -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > You will find BX100 and CR1 on my homepage. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free > www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Dodge > *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2005 2:26 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-100, CR-1/2 service manuals > > Hi. Are either of these service manuals available anywhere by > downloading? > > Tom From marlin at amerion.com Sat Dec 24 21:04:09 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:04:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Oil on Nak 700 References: <200512241817.jBOIHMpb032144@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00c401c608c5$34b51520$4dca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello on the capstans, if any, I would use Di-ox-id. Applied w/a tooth pick. It has a natural lubricant in it. It's also the best to use on the Nak pots and switches. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 45 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? (Dan Dinhofer) > 2. Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! (jerryjg) > 3. 582 setting problem (Matyas) > 4. Naktalk Marathon CD? File Hosting ! (Matyas) > 5. Re: 582 setting problem (kannan srinivasaraghavan) > 6. Re: Maximizing Tape Performance (Ron) > 7. RE: Naktalk Marathon CD? File Hosting ! (Tomas Larsson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:58 -0500 > From: "Dan Dinhofer" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? > To: "matyas at sonypro.ch, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: <410-2200512624122258659 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Looks like the plastic packaging material. Definately not dry or rotten > oil. ddan > > >> [Original Message] >> From: matyas >> To: >> Date: 12/23/2005 4:00:43 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Help : FLOIL 946P reliable oil ? >> >> I have bought in year 2000 an oil from Sony parts.. >> It is Floil 946P. Today I have reach the shelve where it was "sleeping" > for years. >> >> Strange, strange... I cannot remember if this THING (see picture) >> >> http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/6550/floil946p1ts.jpg >> >> was there (around the bottle neck) when I received the bottle!!! >> What the hell is this thing? >> a protective film? >> Hardened, plastified oil ??? >> It is semi-rigid, elastic, fragile... >> >> Please tell me if I must dismount & clean+relub the capstans of my Nak > 700 II.. at that time I was happy to relub it with this "precision oil" > Does my Naks are. >> >> BTW.. my Nak 680ZX is utter cement glued since 2 years & plastic screw > retainer is dead!!! UNFORTUNATELY I don't remember if I had dropped some > oil in this Nak. >> >> Am I right to feel unsecure with this bottle ? >> >> >> >> ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ >> - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - >> >> >> >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 06:23:07 -0600 > From: jerryjg > Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this > year! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > charset=iso-8859-15 > > > ...and out on lawn there arose such a clatter...I just blew a woofer, > thats whats the matter! The stockings were hung by the chimney with > care,in hopes that my Furman SRM80 signal router would soon be there!Now i > can really hook up my Nakamichi's to my cd's and turntables and hopefully > get some seriuos recording done! Very happy holidays to all the excellent > Naktalk community! P.S, notice my new DSL e-mail address,thanks! > 8-) > http://www.hollywooddj.com/furmansrm80a.html > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:04:21 +0100 > From: Matyas > Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <43AD4755.3020100 at bluewin.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi David > > I am trying to upload the N-582 service manual to Thomas Nak mine FTP.. > but it is sluggish. > I made it available on file sharing. Get the manual there: > > http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=d5931ac5f7b32f011d2281ff > > > your description sounds like a weak bias drive.You are right willing to > replace transistors. > But replace also C315 (4.7 uF 25V) it is a common source of failure ! > (you can even start by this cap, It might cure directly the problem). > > If there is yet problems, replace orange film caps in the bias circuit. > > Let us know some news about your repair > > Regards, > Matyas > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:05:38 +0100 > From: Matyas > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? 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If Chrome or Normal setting is better, then this > capacitor is after the splitter part or the splitter part before tape type > selector switch has the problem. Lack of enough bias to get the 15 Khz > signal down to 0 db or below ( where 0db is actually -20 db with reference > to 400 Hz level) indicates Orange Cap problem in bias oscillator > > kannan > Matyas wrote: > Hi David > > I am trying to upload the N-582 service manual to Thomas Nak mine FTP.. > but it is sluggish. > I made it available on file sharing. Get the manual there: > > http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=d5931ac5f7b32f011d2281ff > > > your description sounds like a weak bias drive.You are right willing to > replace transistors. > But replace also C315 (4.7 uF 25V) it is a common source of failure ! > (you can even start by this cap, It might cure directly the problem). > > If there is yet problems, replace orange film caps in the bias circuit. > > Let us know some news about your repair > > Regards, > Matyas > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051224/8e741e3f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:58:37 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <43AD540D.2060206 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> Hi Gra' >> >> Nelson wrote: >> >>> Interesting question, for which I have no answer. However, I recall >>> that, when I worked in a computer centre some 20 years ago, we >>> "maximized" computer tape performance not only by cleaning and >>> degaussing the tape reader heads but also by cleaning the tapes >>> themselves. I did wonder if anything similar had ever been used at >>> least for R2R tapes. Kermit? >> >> >> Nope. There was a very brief fad of cleaning reel-to-reel tapes but it >> was found to ruin the oxide fairly quickly --and sometimes made the tape >> sticky after a single cleaning. Instantly ruined the tape! The "cleaned" >> tapes clogged the recorder's heads faster than uncleaned tapes. > > I beg to differ. In the early 70s I owned a > Grundig TK-45, then TK-47. Both machines came > with a small gismo that cleaned tape by > fastforwading it between two cotton wool pads. > I know I used it regularly on my small tape > collection (a few dozen reels). It was > effective, as pads had to be occasionally > replaced -- they got dirty with use. I also > seem to remember that it had a good effect on > high frequency response. > > Over the years I also owned a Ferrograpg (can't > remember the model) and ReVox G-36. Neither had > a facility for wiping the tape, so whenever I > felt their sound got dull, I cleaned the tape > on the TK-45, which must have accomplished the > task, as I kept on doing it. > > Can't recall anyone calling tape cleaning 'a > fad'. I imagine current tape formulations are > less prone to flaking, so it's no longer > necessary. I am convinced it was necessary at > the time. BTW, at the time, heads had to be > cleaned *far* more often that on current > cassette decks > > -- Ron > > > >> >> The only maintenance a reel-to-reel tape needs is the occasional >> replacement of worn-out hubs or bent flanges (which is why the larger >> metal reels are screwed together); and keeping the leaders in good shape. >> >> The advantage of cassettes are that they are maintenance-free, if you >> will. Occasionally a shell warps or is damaged, which is one reason >> empty shells can be purchased. The best way to maintain a casstte tape, >> though, is to keep the recorder or player properly maintained. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:32:03 +0100 > From: "Tomas Larsson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? File Hosting ! > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would be happy to store whatever you want on my server. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Matyas >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 2:06 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Marathon CD? File Hosting ! >> >> >> >> I am happy to see naktalk community involving in sharing >> their records! >> that's very great! but why don't you make waves file, then compress >> lossless in APE >> format to finally share them with one of the following free & fast >> services that allow unlimited number of download for a >> period of 30 days ? Of course, one needs to upload little >> files first to test the quality of >> the service. >> >> Matyas >> ------ >> (following list copied & pasted from a forum) >> ------ >> >> FileFactory - fast, simple and free! >> FileFactory lets you host files up to 500MB, or email files >> up to 1.5GB >> for free. You don't have to register and there is nothing to >> download. >> All files are uploaded through your browser. There is no fee >> to use our >> service - it's totally free. >> >> We host your files indefinitely, however if nobody downloads >> your file >> for 30 days, it will be removed automatically. 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Please refer our service and website to your friends..... >> >> LINK: >> CODE http://uploadhut.com/ >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 45 > *************************************** > From daveharris at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 24 21:12:01 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:12:01 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem References: <200512231128.AA4915370@sonypro.ch> Message-ID: <011901c608c6$53381910$186065da@riccarton.school.nz> Matyas I have been trying to figure out how to do this with a conputer sound carduld you possibly do a step by step set of instructions for this procedure? Merry Christmas Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "matyas" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem > Do you mean "in different direction" rather than "in different degree" ? > > This is normal. On the 582, turning to the right the bias knob increase > the bias current, > so the high frequencies decrease. (visualized by the 15 kHz tune). > > If you are lost in the bias settings, get it right by this way: > record 400Hz and maximize level with bias controls. > After level maximization, get it right with "rec level adjustments" , > Then finally fine tune 15 kHz with bias. This is the user manual way. > > I prefer to consider as right a bias setting set by 400Hz > level maximization only. This is the best way to ensure a flat response to > middle level, -10 dB, -5 dB & 0 dB. > fun to see that THD is not greater than 0.5% @ 0dB with this method. > I recommend anybody to use FFT spectrum analysis of pink noise for fine > bias setting. > A simple was is to use Cubase + Voxengo SPAN. > If you want a total control, > You can find the best real time analysis software there: > DSSF3 http://www.ymec.com/products/dssf3e/index.htm > or on alternative ways... > > But I guess that today, audio computer & tape recording machine are a > paradox. > Anyway, never it has been so easy to outperform calibration standards. > I actually do home work for tape restoration: phase correction settings of > combined IIR & FIR filters. > You probably won't bother with recording tapes if you can burn CD or DVD > audio. > I do tapes sometimes for the fun ;-) > > So to stay with your 582 question and assuming you don't have a good sound > card, in general, > after a 400Hz level maximization & calibration, 15 kHz tone show values > between +5 ~ +7 dB on the needle meter. > (understand -15 & -13 dB as there is an +20 dB amplification of the > reading for this frequency) > If it doesn't, there is an azimuth issue or your tape is worn out/ or bad > quality one. > You can leave it like that. Just pay attention to balance 15kHz on both > channels, > don't bother if they are above 0dB! > > The resulting sound is brighter at low levels (nice to pass through the > masking noise), & right sounding to high levels. > By very very far this is the best way. > Congratulations for your 582. This is a very nice deck. > > Matyas > > > I have a strange problem in trying to adjust the Bias and Rec levels on > my 582 Nak. Moving the controls on the left or right side moves the > meters on both sides in different degrees. Perhaps there is a problem > in the bias oscillator. Can anyone suggest where to look please? > > David > > > > > ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ > - Votre internet provider : http://www.gsinformatique.com - > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned by GSInformatique S.A.] > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 24 22:07:04 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:07:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <000701c6089b$130e5fa0$ab8e87d9@oemcomputer> References: <000701c6089b$130e5fa0$ab8e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43ADB878.9040306@woods-and-waters.com> ey Gra' Nelson wrote: > I am sure you are right, Ron, about the likelihood of the earlier tapes to > flake. In the computer centre where I worked, the tapes used were of the > highest quality of that time, and yet, we cleaned the tape reader heads at > the start of every shift and very often in between them, too. Tape read > problems, which prevented a program running, were often cured very simply by > cleaning the offending tape rather than re-creating the file thereon. > > As I recall, our tape cleaners used cotton pads and a blade set very > precisely just above the tape's surface, so that it would lift off any oxide > flakes (usually put there by other tapes, via tape reader heads.) They > worked at a very high speed. > By the time I learned recording in the 1970s, the studios had converted to Scotch 206 tape or better, which didn't need "cleaning." I do recall hearing tape techs at radio stations refer to having to clean tape cartridges, and rebuilding and relubricating tape cartridges. Sounds like fun. The word was being spread that the newer tapes could be adversely affected over time by the "cleaning." Studios had tape cleaners that had been bought when the older tapes existed, yet their use even on older tapes was being debated as dubious, so their use had fallen off. I recall seeing a Gibson Girl tape cleaner collecting dust in the basement of one studio. As I recall, what tape cleaners actually did was use a silicone-based oil to absorb loose tape oxide particles BEFORE those particles could find their way to clog the tape heads. See? The older tapes shed quickly and would foul heads in a single pass, so this was a preventive measure. This was especially true with 30-ips machines, computer tape drives or quadraplex video tape recorders. "Cleaning" wasn't really happening but it was close enough of a concept for colloquial use. But the warnings by the house engineers NOT to use tape cleaners and their admonitions that cleaning could cause the tape oxide to become gummy were quite strong. Also, they would add, even for older tapes the cleaners were no longer recommended: think about it -- the "cleaner" removes oxide particles, so the cleaner may be wearing the tape oxide prematurely. Their advice was keep the heads scrupulously clean and you'll keep the tapes "clean", preventing dropouts. This often meant cleanin gtape heads after EACH TAPE had been played or recorded. Seriously. I'm talking cleaning tape heads every half hour! So, on the studio side at least, tape cleaning wasn't done any longer, at least not in any studios I worked in or visited. I also recall having to play older tapes before use to "calendar" the oxide becuase of poor binders, then clean the heads, to try to reduce dropouts. The newer tapes didn't shed and the same cleaner fluid would cause the newer binder formulations to absorb the oil and become gummy. Perhaps things were different on the hi-fi side. My old Akai M-8 had a tape cleaner arm that held a cylindrical felt pad to hold drops of cleaner fluid, but I never needed to use it. I too had a Grundig TK-45, and had forgotten it had a tape cleaner pad. Never needed it either. One thing I remember seeing by the mid-1970s was a plethora of cheap tape head lubricants, tape cleaner gimmicks and head cleaner fluids being sold that, at least on the pro side, were regarded as little more than dyed alcohol, and my teachers warned that the stuff could cause more harm than good. Always the bottom line was the same: clean heads ensure clean tapes. One of the first things you learned in pro audio was that many things sold to consumers should be viewed with skepticism; often such things were of little value, or could cause problems. Many consumer products are designed to tape into what the buyer believes is needed, not into what is actually needed. I had it explained to me once that many companies found that tape recorder owners assumed that tape heads got dirty because the tapes themselves were dirty and passing on the dirt to the heads. In actuality the cause of dirty heads was the tapes shedding oxide particles because of the friction of the tape against the heads and guides, the poor quality of the binder in some instances, or roughly-finished heads in other cases. But not "dirt on tapes" transferring. Neverthless, if people believed tape heads got dirty because the tapes themselves were dirty then a good entrepeneur will seize on that perception and market "AudioCare Technologies, Inc. TapeKleen X-202 Pro Strength Formula" tape cleaner. Does the business care if it works? No. Perhaps fad was an overly strong choice of wording, perhaps passing trend is more apt. Nevertheless, the practice of tape cleaning had fallen into disuse fairly quickly on the pro side, except for computer systems and broadcast cartridges. Do I recommend "cleaning" tapes? No. Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- when did you start cleaning tapes, and how long was it before you stopped doing so? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 24 22:09:15 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:09:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ADB8FB.3050709@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > I sort of remember that, there was even a home reel tape "cleaning" machine > out for awhile. I also remember some of the early attempts at record disk > "cleaners" Ouch! And, how about most of the cassete deck mechanical head > cleaners that sort of tried to throw your heads out of alignment or sand the > head surfaces with overly abrasive cleaner tape? Excellent examples of consumer audio products with no real benefit for the consumer. Made by the company merely to enrich the company. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it is good. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 24 22:50:15 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:50:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051224215015.20229.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, happy New Year and whatever you celebrate to all! Doane Hoag a écrit : Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Hari Krishna (sp?) and any thing else you all celebrate for this and the new year!! May 2006 be one of peace and harmony in this crazy world, maybe more beautiful music will help it happen. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! ...and out on lawn there arose such a clatter...I just blew a woofer, thats whats the matter! The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,in hopes that my Furman SRM80 signal router would soon be there!Now i can really hook up my Nakamichi's to my cd's and turntables and hopefully get some seriuos recording done! Very happy holidays to all the excellent Naktalk community! P.S, notice my new DSL e-mail address,thanks! 8-) http://www.hollywooddj.com/furmansrm80a.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Dec 24 23:18:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:18:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleainng Audio Tapes Message-ID: <43ADC920.4090804@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, If any of you have recieved an audio tape for the holidays, Ill throw in my two cents' worth about how to clean an audio tape. With regard to cleaning audio tapes, I'll defer to the experts who have dedicated their careers to preserving our audio heritage. The Audio Engineering Society states, "Tissue-wipe cleaning is recomended. Solvent cleaning shall not be used." Gilles St-Laurent, Music Division, National Library Of Canada, states, "Vacuum reel-to-reel tape pack if dusty. Use a vacuum which has a hose, and keep the motor away from the tape in order to reduce the risk of magnetizing the tapes. Clean tape surfaces using a product such as 3M 'Tape Cleaning Fabric' (610-1-150). This soft fabric product will pick-up loose debris commonly found on tape surfaces after being dislodged by the fabric fibers." So, it seems straightforward to me. My pro audio teachers were right. Don't use tape cleaning fluids. A cleaning fluid is a solvent, after all. I never thought of vacuuming the tape. I presume the vacuum would have to have a special air filter like the vacuums used by serrvice techs to remove up toner from the insides of copiers and laser printers. The 3M Tape Cleaning Fabric 610-1-150 looks like a "must have" and is a great idea. I'm looking for a supply of these for my tape collection. Anyone know of a source? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 25 00:44:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:44:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <43ADB878.9040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <002f01c608e3$ed843220$bc9b87d9@oemcomputer> Well, I can say that, in my bank during the 1980's, the main output files from the main frame computer programs were stored on tapes, and these were regularly cleaned, as they were also degaussed, when the files expired. Gra' > > > Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- > when did you start cleaning tapes, and how long was it before you > stopped doing so? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Dec 25 01:31:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:31:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question Message-ID: <43ADE862.4080202@woods-and-waters.com> Fellow Nakkers, I have a Nakamichi CM-100 microphone question. I've been told that the CM-100 microphone can take the 9 volt Eveready 206 dry cell, even though it normally uses a single 1-1/2 volt AA dry cell. Supposedly this increases headroom and reduces noise. I'm skeptical and a bit concerned that a 9 volt battery will ruin the electronics because of over-voltage. Has anyone done this battery substitution without hurting the CM-100 microphone? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Dec 25 06:06:06 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:06:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! In-Reply-To: <43AD9D2B.4050205@rcn.com> Message-ID: Twice Amen!!! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this >year! >Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:10:35 -0500 > >Doane Hoag wrote: >>May 2006 be one of peace and harmony in this crazy world, maybe more >>beautiful music will help it happen. > > >Amen, > >-- Ron > > > > > Doane >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of jerryjg >>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:23 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays-L@@k what Santas getting me this year! >> >> >> >>...and out on lawn there arose such a clatter...I just blew a woofer, >>thats whats the matter! The stockings were hung by the chimney with >>care,in hopes that my Furman SRM80 signal router would soon be there!Now i >>can really hook up my Nakamichi's to my cd's and turntables and hopefully >>get some seriuos recording done! Very happy holidays to all the excellent >>Naktalk community! P.S, notice my new DSL e-mail address,thanks! >>8-) >>http://www.hollywooddj.com/furmansrm80a.html >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 26 02:55:46 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:55:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Does anyone have Nak DR series to sell? Interested Message-ID: Hi Nakkers, Seriously, Does anyone have any Nakamichi DR series decks to sell that are in excellent condition? Please let me know at felixyeung70 at hotmail.com I welcome any offers other than the Dr series as well. Happy Holidays, Nakkers. Felix From dbauer45 at comcast.net Mon Dec 26 05:26:44 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:26:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! References: Message-ID: <004201c609d4$945e90e0$6501a8c0@cmbpc> Felix, I have a DR-10 that is new in the box, never touched by human hands. Checked it out about a year ago and it is 100% (used cotton gloves so that I could make the claim about not being touched. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "felic dans" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! > hEY NAK FREAKS, > > aNYONE OUT THERE WITH A DR SERIES DECK TO SELL? i AM INTERESTED. dR- 8, > DR-10 , DR-1, DR-3, DR-2 > > - Felix > > > > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Dec 26 13:17:21 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:17:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem In-Reply-To: <20051224132404.35655.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051224132404.35655.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Matyas and Kannan I recently replaced all the orange caps in the 582. Now I have replaced C315 and all the electrolytic caps in the Rec Amp. When I watch the bias and rec settings more closely, moving the right bias meter makes the left one move with it. Not so much the other way, left to right. The Rec levels will not go higher than -5 on both meters. This happens with both EX and SX settings. I have adjusted the RH Azimuth using the 15k tone. I also replaced Q302 in the bias osc but this made little difference. Voltage readings seem reasonable on the transistors. In the Rec Amp, the voltage refs on IC303 (4558) are about 1/2V low. Maybe I should replace it. I would appreciate any more suggestions. David On 24/12/2005, at 11:24 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > If there is uneven bias adjustment - the reason could be one or two > capacitors in Bias adjustment circuit having leakage - replace those > in that part after bias Osc - the Bias voltage is devided by resistors > and capacitor to feed both channels ( CR 7 has two seperate bias > oscillator filters -using a variable inductors and hence achieves > better recording quality ) the switch to select the tape type > seperates these feeds in to three different streams. If you find this > problem in Metal bias - check Chrom tape  setting. If Chrome or Normal > setting is better, then this capacitor is after the splitter part or > the splitter part before tape type selector switch has the problem. > Lack of enough bias to get the 15 Khz signal down to 0 db or below ( > where 0db is actually -20 db with reference to 400 Hz level) indicates > Orange Cap problem in bias oscillator > > kannan > Matyas wrote: >> Hi David >> >> I am trying to upload the N-582 service manual to Thomas Nak mine >> FTP.. >> but it is sluggish. >> I made it available on file sharing. Get the manual there: >> >> http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=d5931ac5f7b32f011d2281ff >> >> >> your description sounds like a weak bias drive.You are right willing >> to >> replace transistors. >> But replace also C315 (4.7 uF 25V) it is a common source of failure ! >> (you can even start by this cap, It might cure directly the problem). >> >> If there is yet problems, replace orange film caps in the bias >> circuit. >> >> Let us know some news about your repair >> >> Regards, >> Matyas >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been told that the > CM-100 microphone can take the 9 volt Eveready 206 dry cell, even > though it normally uses a single 1-1/2 volt AA dry cell. Supposedly > this increases headroom and reduces noise. I'm skeptical and a bit > concerned that a 9 volt battery will ruin the electronics because of > over-voltage. Has anyone done this battery substitution without > hurting the CM-100 microphone? > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 15:20:48 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:20:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051226142048.39783.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi David One or two things that come to my mind - head alignment/ tape Guide block alignment - can cause a problem. But without those preciuos Nakamichi gauges it is near impossible to align it correctly and I can try to help you more with this if nothing else helps. But I remember Tom in Australia owns some of these gauges and alignment tape - contact him. Secondly thare are more Caps like the ones in Bias trap ( both record amps / play amps ) can cause bias leakage. Try adjusting bias trap -you need VTVM or DMM with wide bandwidth / low capacitance to do this job. If bias leakage on one channel is more than the other - good chance the capacitors ( in line with the inductor can be replaced or inductor itself needs change ( almost impossible to get a replacement !) hope these tips helps Kannan David Thompson wrote: Thanks Matyas and Kannan I recently replaced all the orange caps in the 582. Now I have replaced C315 and all the electrolytic caps in the Rec Amp. When I watch the bias and rec settings more closely, moving the right bias meter makes the left one move with it. Not so much the other way, left to right. The Rec levels will not go higher than -5 on both meters. This happens with both EX and SX settings. I have adjusted the RH Azimuth using the 15k tone. I also replaced Q302 in the bias osc but this made little difference. Voltage readings seem reasonable on the transistors. In the Rec Amp, the voltage refs on IC303 (4558) are about 1/2V low. Maybe I should replace it. I would appreciate any more suggestions. David On 24/12/2005, at 11:24 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > If there is uneven bias adjustment - the reason could be one or two > capacitors in Bias adjustment circuit having leakage - replace those > in that part after bias Osc - the Bias voltage is devided by resistors > and capacitor to feed both channels ( CR 7 has two seperate bias > oscillator filters -using a variable inductors and hence achieves > better recording quality ) the switch to select the tape type > seperates these feeds in to three different streams. If you find this > problem in Metal bias - check Chrom tape setting. If Chrome or Normal > setting is better, then this capacitor is after the splitter part or > the splitter part before tape type selector switch has the problem. > Lack of enough bias to get the 15 Khz signal down to 0 db or below ( > where 0db is actually -20 db with reference to 400 Hz level) indicates > Orange Cap problem in bias oscillator > > kannan > Matyas wrote: >> Hi David --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Dec 26 16:05:18 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question In-Reply-To: <43AFF44B.6050308@snet.net> Message-ID: <001201c60a2d$ca02b920$7300a8c0@Shaun> The CM-300 uses a 9.1 Mercury battery (type H-7/DA) which can be replaced with the Mallory type TR-126 or Eveready E-126. The specifications show the operating voltage as 7V-10V DC and the battery as 8.4-9.1V Mercury. This info is taken from the Owner's Manual for the CM-300. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 26 December 2005 13:47 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question If I recall correctly, the CM-100/CM-300 used a odd size 6.3 or so volt battery that is near impossible to find (at least it was five years ago when I owned a pair of 300's. I substituted a 9 volt and had no problems other than the fact that it happens to be one of the most dry and lifeless sounding mics I've ever used (but that's normal). Stick to the AKG-D-200 - I took your advide and now own three pairs of these remarkable (and amazingly inexpensive) mics! Ed Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Fellow Nakkers, > > I have a Nakamichi CM-100 microphone question. I've been told that the > CM-100 microphone can take the 9 volt Eveready 206 dry cell, even > though it normally uses a single 1-1/2 volt AA dry cell. Supposedly > this increases headroom and reduces noise. I'm skeptical and a bit > concerned that a 9 volt battery will ruin the electronics because of > over-voltage. Has anyone done this battery substitution without > hurting the CM-100 microphone? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 02:26:05 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:26:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Announcment for All Nakaphiles In-Reply-To: <00a001c60153$cf134de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20051227012605.40589.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Fellow Nakkers and Friends, I am introducing replacement logic boards for Nak cassette decks. These are newly designed, built and tested baords which are meant drop in replacments for the original boards. The original boards are more prone to failure and are hard to service due to availability of parts. The replacement boards takes advantage of newer technology for better reliability. They only replace the old boards but remain the same in funtionality. They do not add or change the original operation of the deck, nor do they require any change of major components in the deck. Both individual Nakkers and businesses are welcome to purchase these boards. These are recommended in order to give our decks an extended service life well into the next generation. Please email me offline for further information and queries. Thank You Best Regards and Season Greetings to All Bala Ganesh 79 Labs 772 Pasir Ris Street 71 #15-364 Singapore 510772 Tel :065-6584-2479 Mobile: 065-9351-7745 Email : bg3009 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 27 04:00:47 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:00:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! In-Reply-To: <004201c609d4$945e90e0$6501a8c0@cmbpc> Message-ID: Hey Dean, I just want to let you know that I am still interested. 130 paypal instantly. I am in Brooklyn ny 11224. Let me know if this sounds good to you. I look forward to chatting with you so more about this deck. Happy Holidays, Felix Yeung 718-946-3861 >From: "Dean Bauer" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! >Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:26:44 -0500 > >Felix, > >I have a DR-10 that is new in the box, never touched by human hands. >Checked it out about a year ago and it is 100% (used cotton gloves so that >I >could make the claim about not being touched. > >Dean > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "felic dans" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! > > > > hEY NAK FREAKS, > > > > aNYONE OUT THERE WITH A DR SERIES DECK TO SELL? i AM INTERESTED. dR- 8, > > DR-10 , DR-1, DR-3, DR-2 > > > > - Felix > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Dec 27 12:59:26 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:59:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR series wanted to buy!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B12C9E.8050202@snet.net> Hi Felix, I think I just wrote you off line, but it's worth mentioning that I've got a nice DR-3 posted on ebay at this time. Thanks, Ed felic dans wrote: > hEY NAK FREAKS, > > aNYONE OUT THERE WITH A DR SERIES DECK TO SELL? i AM INTERESTED. dR- > 8, DR-10 , DR-1, DR-3, DR-2 > > - Felix > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 27 14:56:08 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:56:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Announcment for All Nakaphiles In-Reply-To: <20051227012605.40589.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051227012605.40589.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43B147F8.6020007@rcn.com> You neglected to mention for what Nak models your new boards are intended. Also, prices. Also, why not update/improve on the originals? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Dear Fellow Nakkers and Friends, > > I am introducing replacement logic boards for Nak cassette > decks. These are newly designed, built and tested baords which are meant > drop in replacments for the original boards. The original boards are > more prone to failure and are hard to service due to availability of > parts. The replacement boards takes advantage of newer technology for > better reliability. They only replace the old boards but remain the same > in funtionality. They do not add or change the original operation of the > deck, nor do they require any change of major components in the deck. > > Both individual Nakkers and businesses are welcome to purchase these > boards. These are recommended in order to give our decks an extended > service life well into the next generation. Please email me offline for > further information and queries. Thank You > > Best Regards and Season Greetings to! All > Bala Ganesh > > 79 Labs > 772 Pasir Ris Street 71 > #15-364 > Singapore 510772 > Tel :065-6584-2479 > Mobile: 065-9351-7745 > Email : bg3009 at yahoo.com From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Dec 27 16:45:49 2005 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:45:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Motor noise. Message-ID: <01bc01c60afc$9c3f0550$5a01a8c0@workgroup.hom> Hi all. I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on motor buzz on a 1000zxl. In playback there is motor noise audible from the outputs - even if there is no tape in the machine. Usually this is a problem with grounding? I can hear it when a recording is played back on another deck, so it is being added to the recording as well. Thanks. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarhead1951 at charter.net Tue Dec 27 16:56:11 2005 From: jarhead1951 at charter.net (Miles) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:56:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help Message-ID: <001d01c60afe$0f1c4640$6400a8c0@Hal3> I have recently registered and joined Naktalk. Is there a way to access previous posts for technical information on Nak repairs and probems. I can't seem to find an archive of past information. Thanks, Miles From fugue4all at shaw.ca Tue Dec 27 17:17:17 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:17:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CM100 mic question References: <200512271100.jBRB0nl4003831@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000701c60b01$0180aa00$8902a8c0@warbird> Kermit and Ed: I have a trio of CM-300's that I like quite well for some acoustic applications in very live churches. When time allows, I'd like to try them with my MX100/PS100/CR7 setup. Incidentally, the CM series are rebadged Primos (same as the older TASCAM line of mics). I do know that the CM300 has a DC operating voltage range of 7-10V, and originally took either the 9.1V H-7D/A mercury cell or Mallory TR-126 (Eveready E-126). I use Eveready 906's in them now (readily available on the 'net); a battery is good for an estimated 220 hours of continuous use. I talked to Stephen Sank about them a while ago. As you know, his real métier is mic restoration; he can convert them to phantom power for a reasonable fee. Hard to beat those AKG's, tho'! Paul Dingle Subject: Re: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question > If I recall correctly, the CM-100/CM-300 used a odd size 6.3 or so volt > battery that is near impossible to find (at least it was five years ago > when I owned a pair of 300's. I substituted a 9 volt and had no problems > other than the fact that it happens to be one of the most dry and > lifeless sounding mics I've ever used (but that's normal). Stick to the > AKG-D-200 - I took your advide and now own three pairs of these > remarkable (and amazingly inexpensive) mics! > > Ed > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Fellow Nakkers, > > > > I have a Nakamichi CM-100 microphone question. I've been told that the > > CM-100 microphone can take the 9 volt Eveready 206 dry cell, even > > though it normally uses a single 1-1/2 volt AA dry cell. Supposedly > > this increases headroom and reduces noise. I'm skeptical and a bit > > concerned that a 9 volt battery will ruin the electronics because of > > over-voltage. Has anyone done this battery substitution without > > hurting the CM-100 microphone? > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Dec 27 17:20:27 2005 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:20:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help In-Reply-To: <001d01c60afe$0f1c4640$6400a8c0@Hal3> Message-ID: <01c701c60b01$72e57130$5a01a8c0@workgroup.hom> If you go to naks.com and to the naktalk list - where you signed up - there is an archive link. Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Miles Sent: December 27, 2005 7:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help I have recently registered and joined Naktalk. Is there a way to access previous posts for technical information on Nak repairs and probems. I can't seem to find an archive of past information. Thanks, Miles ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 27 21:44:02 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:44:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CM100 mic question In-Reply-To: <000701c60b01$0180aa00$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200512271100.jBRB0nl4003831@zxe.naks.com> <000701c60b01$0180aa00$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43B1A792.1020002@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Ed and fellow Nak'ers... Paul Dingle wrote: > Kermit and Ed: > > I have a trio of CM-300's that I like quite well for some acoustic > applications in very live churches. Precisely what I recommend CM-300s for! Their dryness balances out the high reverb times of distant mic'in gin very live churches and their extreme proximity effect offsets the distant positioning, giving a more "up front and personal" sound. > with my MX100/PS100/CR7 setup. Incidentally, the CM series are rebadged > Primos (same as the older TASCAM line of mics). I do know that the CM300 > has a DC operating voltage range of 7-10V, and originally took either the > 9.1V H-7D/A mercury cell or Mallory TR-126 (Eveready E-126). I use Eveready > 906's in them now (readily available on the 'net); a battery is good for an > estimated 220 hours of continuous use. Eveready 206 work well too. > > I talked to Stephen Sank about them a while ago. As you know, his real > métier is mic restoration; he can convert them to phantom power for a > reasonable fee. Well, over a year ago I contacted Mr. Sank to restore one of my Reslo ribbon mics. Never recieved the courtesy of a reply. After a month of waiting for Mr. Sank to reply (he never did), I contacted Wes Dooley of AEA, who replied to my inquiry within hours, and had a replacement ribbon delivered to my door in three days. I repaired the mic myself after about two hours of work. If I need any of my condenser mics repaired, I'll not add to Mr. Sank's burdens, and instead send them to mic restoration expert James U. Steele, The Mic Shop, Location Sound Corp of Los Angeles, the very colorful Taylor Johnson, or the original manufacturer. Assuming I can't repair them myself. I'm not saying no one should contact Sank; I'm sure he's done great work for many persons. It's just I already have business experience with these other companies and I tend to be a creature of habit. > Hard to beat those AKG's, tho'! Agreed! I've been a fan of the older AKG dynamics for thirty years. > > Paul Dingle > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question > >>If I recall correctly, the CM-100/CM-300 used a odd size 6.3 or so volt >>battery that is near impossible to find (at least it was five years ago >>when I owned a pair of 300's. I substituted a 9 volt and had no problems >>other than the fact that it happens to be one of the most dry and >>lifeless sounding mics I've ever used (but that's normal). Stick to the >>AKG-D-200 - I took your advide and now own three pairs of these >>remarkable (and amazingly inexpensive) mics! The CM-100 specifies AA-size 1.5 volt dry cels, by the way. I agree -- the CM-100 is dry as a bone. The CM-300 is better, though. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Dec 27 21:39:43 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:39:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help Message-ID: <20051227203958.QNSN9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Miles, Go to naks.com and then click on Navtalk on the left hand side. Another frame will show up and Audiotalk and Navtalk will appear. Click on Navtalk and you will see a hyperlink for the archives. > > From: "Miles" > Date: 2005/12/27 Tue AM 10:56:11 EST > To: > Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help > > I have recently registered and joined Naktalk. Is there a way to access > previous posts for technical information on Nak repairs and probems. I can't > seem to find an archive of past information. Thanks, Miles > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 27 21:51:50 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:51:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help In-Reply-To: <20051227203958.QNSN9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> References: <20051227203958.QNSN9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <43B1A966.4040902@yahoo.ca> Navtalk? It's Na"K"talk. Antoine Deschênes rjlbjk at cox.net a écrit : > Miles, > > Go to naks.com and then click on Navtalk on the left hand side. Another frame will show up and Audiotalk and Navtalk will appear. > > Click on Navtalk and you will see a hyperlink for the archives. > > > >> From: "Miles" >> Date: 2005/12/27 Tue AM 10:56:11 EST >> To: >> Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Help >> >> I have recently registered and joined Naktalk. Is there a way to access >> previous posts for technical information on Nak repairs and probems. I can't >> seem to find an archive of past information. Thanks, Miles >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 27 22:19:45 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:19:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Announcment for All Nakaphiles In-Reply-To: <20051227012605.40589.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c60b2b$42cd7c20$06b987d9@oemcomputer> Congratulations, Bala! Best wishes Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 27 December 2005 01:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Announcment for All Nakaphiles Dear Fellow Nakkers and Friends, I am introducing replacement logic boards for Nak cassette decks. These are newly designed, built and tested baords which are meant drop in replacments for the original boards. The original boards are more prone to failure and are hard to service due to availability of parts. The replacement boards takes advantage of newer technology for better reliability. They only replace the old boards but remain the same in funtionality. They do not add or change the original operation of the deck, nor do they require any change of major components in the deck. Both individual Nakkers and businesses are welcome to purchase these boards. These are recommended in order to give our decks an extended service life well into the next generation. Please email me offline for further information and queries. Thank You Best Regards and Season Greetings to! All Bala Ganesh 79 Labs 772 Pasir Ris Street 71 #15-364 Singapore 510772 Tel :065-6584-2479 Mobile: 065-9351-7745 Email : bg3009 at yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 27 22:48:11 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:48:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question In-Reply-To: <43AFF44B.6050308@snet.net> References: <43ADE862.4080202@woods-and-waters.com> <43AFF44B.6050308@snet.net> Message-ID: <43B1B69B.9010500@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ed, Edward Noyes wrote: > If I recall correctly, the CM-100/CM-300 used a odd size 6.3 or so volt > battery that is near impossible to find (at least it was five years ago > when I owned a pair of 300's. I substituted a 9 volt and had no problems > other than the fact that it happens to be one of the most dry and > lifeless sounding mics I've ever used (but that's normal). Stick to the > AKG-D-200 - I took your advide and now own three pairs of these > remarkable (and amazingly inexpensive) mics! Not to worry, Ed. the AKG D200E is one of my mainstay mics. I use the CM-100 on rare occasion, and even then only as a "tone" mic. For examply, the CM-100's desert-dry, yet crisp, sound can add a sense of detail to acoustic guitars when mixed with another mic. Recently I recorded a demo of a friend's guitar solos. Her guitar is an inexpensive model Ibanez that sounds cheap on a recording. I double mic'ed it using a Sennheiser MD421U (placed two feet away at the sound-hole pointed toward the 12th fret) and the Nak CM-100 (placed two feet away at the 12th fret pointed toward the bridge). Then I took those two tracks and reamped them through a Fender Twin Reverb (mic'ed with the same mics), with the reverb set to full effect, and using a gate to shorten the effective reverb time to a scant 20 mS. By carefully mixing the four tracks, I got the cheap guitar to sound like an expensive handmade acoustic. The Sennheiser mic gave the sense of size and warmth while adding tone and lower midrange the guitar lacked. Its low-cut filter prevented boominess. The Nak CM-100's crispness added highs and a sense of attack that the guitar lacks. The two reverb'ed tracks recorded using the Fender amp, when barely mixed in, sounded like the natural resonance of a very fine handmade guitar. I panned the Sennsheiser full center, the Nak slighlty to the right and the two reverb'ed tracks full left and full right. The Sennheiser's level was operating level, the Naks' level was about 20 dB below that, and the reverb'ed tracks were just barely open. The digital multitrack recording was mixed down to a Nak 500 onto Maxell professional chrome tape, from which was made a few cassette copies and a transfer to CD-R. This was a demo, recall, and the Nak 500 served well as master tape. Besides, my friend also has a Nak 500, so it was very convenient to use mine for the master tape. My friend was thrilled and the demo has landed her several good paying gigs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 27 22:52:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:52:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <002f01c608e3$ed843220$bc9b87d9@oemcomputer> References: <002f01c608e3$ed843220$bc9b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43B1B7B0.7000001@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Well, I can say that, in my bank during the 1980's, the main output files > from the main frame computer programs were stored on tapes, and these were > regularly cleaned, as they were also degaussed, when the files expired. I suspect that computer tapes are handled differently than reel-to-reel audio tapes. Computer tapes are driven to clipping and have higher data density than analog audio. Also, the computer tape drives assert very different stresses on tapes than do audio recorders; amd their heads are a different design. I can see where cleaning a computer tape may be advisable and would not cause the problems it does with audio tapes. Do you know if the cleaning procedure use any fluids or were the tapes merely dry wiped? >>Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- >>when did you start cleaning tapes, and how long was it before you >>stopped doing so? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From Ws407c at aol.com Tue Dec 27 23:14:54 2005 From: Ws407c at aol.com (Ws407c at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:14:54 EST Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 24 RE: [naktalk] Dragon or ZX-9 Message-ID: <19c.4294eca7.30e316de@aol.com> Yeah , I kinda have my heart set on the ZX-9 . I have 2 with a 3rd coming and I am going to completely disassemble one down to the last washer and totally restore it. I am going to go through the deck completely and replace all the poly caps as well as the electrolytic's , as well as a complete checkout of the transport and switches . I am very impressed with the ZX-9's transport and it's simplicity and this is why I prefer this deck over the Dragon. I hope to do a modification to allow manual playback azimuth correction on this deck and set it aside another stock ZX-9 for the ultimate in discrete "dubbing" deck('s) . One of my ZX-9's has erratic bias settings as well as azimuth settings directly related to temperature. These decks get quite hot on the inside and without any vents in the cabinet it takes quite a while for the unit to stabilize. The 4 servo driver transistor / heatsinks get quite hot and I will also be beefing these up in my rebuild unit . This will be a fun project and I am looking forward to getting started. I thought cassette was dead until I got my Nakamichi , all I can say is WOW and well worth the money these decks are commanding out there. Definitely a worthwhile investment for those that appreciate the music ! My 2 cents on the Nakamichi compatibility issue . Record a tape in a Nakamichi and play it back in a Nakamichi , it sounds FLAWLESS ! Record a tape in a Nakamichi play it back in something else , it sounds FANTASTIC ! Even in my 5 dollar junker walkman a NAK tape sounds unbelievable . Alka Yagnik never sounded so good ! Dave Dave, Go for the ZX7 /9, the ultimate 80"s technology. Dragon's are for fify's. Regards, Pieter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 27 23:29:36 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question In-Reply-To: <43B1B69B.9010500@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43ADE862.4080202@woods-and-waters.com> <43AFF44B.6050308@snet.net> <43B1B69B.9010500@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43B1C050.4090903@bellsouth.net> Now that's what I call recording, Kermit! Mike Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Edward Noyes wrote: > >> If I recall correctly, the CM-100/CM-300 used a odd size 6.3 or so >> volt battery that is near impossible to find (at least it was five >> years ago when I owned a pair of 300's. I substituted a 9 volt and >> had no problems other than the fact that it happens to be one of the >> most dry and lifeless sounding mics I've ever used (but that's >> normal). Stick to the AKG-D-200 - I took your advide and now own >> three pairs of these remarkable (and amazingly inexpensive) mics! > > > Not to worry, Ed. the AKG D200E is one of my mainstay mics. I use the > CM-100 on rare occasion, and even then only as a "tone" mic. For > examply, the CM-100's desert-dry, yet crisp, sound can add a sense of > detail to acoustic guitars when mixed with another mic. > > Recently I recorded a demo of a friend's guitar solos. Her guitar is > an inexpensive model Ibanez that sounds cheap on a recording. I double > mic'ed it using a Sennheiser MD421U (placed two feet away at the > sound-hole pointed toward the 12th fret) and the Nak CM-100 (placed > two feet away at the 12th fret pointed toward the bridge). Then I took > those two tracks and reamped them through a Fender Twin Reverb (mic'ed > with the same mics), with the reverb set to full effect, and using a > gate to shorten the effective reverb time to a scant 20 mS. By > carefully mixing the four tracks, I got the cheap guitar to sound like > an expensive handmade acoustic. > > The Sennheiser mic gave the sense of size and warmth while adding tone > and lower midrange the guitar lacked. Its low-cut filter prevented > boominess. > > The Nak CM-100's crispness added highs and a sense of attack that the > guitar lacks. > > The two reverb'ed tracks recorded using the Fender amp, when barely > mixed in, sounded like the natural resonance of a very fine handmade > guitar. > > I panned the Sennsheiser full center, the Nak slighlty to the right > and the two reverb'ed tracks full left and full right. The > Sennheiser's level was operating level, the Naks' level was about 20 > dB below that, and the reverb'ed tracks were just barely open. > > The digital multitrack recording was mixed down to a Nak 500 onto > Maxell professional chrome tape, from which was made a few cassette > copies and a transfer to CD-R. This was a demo, recall, and the Nak > 500 served well as master tape. Besides, my friend also has a Nak 500, > so it was very convenient to use mine for the master tape. > > My friend was thrilled and the demo has landed her several good paying > gigs. > From pawel at bartuzi.org Wed Dec 28 00:43:39 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:43:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WTB Cassette Deck 1 cassette holder cover Message-ID: <43B1D1AB.4030003@bartuzi.org> Hello, Does anybody have spare Cassette Deck 1 cassette case cover that would be willing to sale? On mine one of plastic latches is already lost and the other one was glued by previous owner... -- Pawel From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 28 02:12:21 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:12:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <43B1B7B0.7000001@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <004301c60b4b$c1558d60$5f9187d9@oemcomputer> Hi Kermit They were dry wiped, with a blade to pick off anything rising too high, and a vacuum to suck up any dirt of loose oxide. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 27 December 2005 21:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > Well, I can say that, in my bank during the 1980's, the main > output files > > from the main frame computer programs were stored on tapes, and > these were > > regularly cleaned, as they were also degaussed, when the files expired. > > I suspect that computer tapes are handled differently than reel-to-reel > audio tapes. Computer tapes are driven to clipping and have higher data > density than analog audio. Also, the computer tape drives assert very > different stresses on tapes than do audio recorders; amd their heads are > a different design. I can see where cleaning a computer tape may be > advisable and would not cause the problems it does with audio tapes. Do > you know if the cleaning procedure use any fluids or were the tapes > merely dry wiped? > > >>Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- > >>when did you start cleaning tapes, and how long was it before you > >>stopped doing so? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > From kutto at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 28 03:00:41 2005 From: kutto at bellsouth.net (KUTTO) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:00:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 hookup Message-ID: <003a01c60b52$81f9e6a0$6501a8c0@jose> Nak experts, I need help. I inherited a MR-1. Playback is awesome...but I can't get it to record. I'm using the RCA jacks (to Decoder). I try to record something and playback comes empty. Is there any special hookup? Is recording controlled by an IC that went bad? The peak level lights only work when I'm listening to a tape through the headphone jack and nothing is connected in the back. I really love this device..never had a deck like this before. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Dec 28 03:56:27 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:56:27 +0000 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 24 RE: [naktalk] Dragon or ZX-9 Message-ID: Hi Dave! You wrote... >! Record a tape in a >Nakamichi play it back in something else , it sounds FANTASTIC ! < NOT neccesary TRUE! By my sole experience!!! Have a nice & productive mew 2006 year! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ws407c at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 24 RE: [naktalk] Dragon or ZX-9 >Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:14:54 EST > > >Yeah , I kinda have my heart set on the ZX-9 . I have 2 with a 3rd coming >and I am going to completely disassemble one down to the last washer and >totally > restore it. > >I am going to go through the deck completely and replace all the poly caps >as well as the electrolytic's , as well as a complete checkout of the >transport > and switches . > > I am very impressed with the ZX-9's transport and it's simplicity and >this >is why I prefer this deck over the Dragon. I hope to do a modification to >allow manual playback azimuth correction on this deck and set it aside >another >stock ZX-9 for the ultimate in discrete "dubbing" deck('s) . > >One of my ZX-9's has erratic bias settings as well as azimuth settings >directly related to temperature. These decks get quite hot on the inside >and >without any vents in the cabinet it takes quite a while for the unit to >stabilize. > The 4 servo driver transistor / heatsinks get quite hot and I will also >be >beefing these up in my rebuild unit . > >This will be a fun project and I am looking forward to getting started. > >I thought cassette was dead until I got my Nakamichi , all I can say is WOW >and well worth the money these decks are commanding out there. Definitely a >worthwhile investment for those that appreciate the music ! > >My 2 cents on the Nakamichi compatibility issue . Record a tape in a >Nakamichi and play it back in a Nakamichi , it sounds FLAWLESS ! Record a >tape in a >Nakamichi play it back in something else , it sounds FANTASTIC ! Even in my > 5 >dollar junker walkman a NAK tape sounds unbelievable . Alka Yagnik never >sounded so good ! > > > >Dave > > > > >Dave, > >Go for the ZX7 /9, the ultimate 80"s technology. Dragon's are for fify's. > >Regards, > >Pieter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kh1 at khherrmann.de Wed Dec 28 11:03:32 2005 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:03:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 ADVISE PLEASE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051228110332.33db1daa@khhlap.local.de> On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:16:24 -0800 "John Litonjua" wrote: > And one more thing, the motor that holds the smaller belt to the left > side is not turning. Could this be the culprit??? It this belt supposed > to be turning when in play mode? Does the motor need to be replaced??? I think you mean the CAM motor -- It's only supposed to move when you press a button and it switches the internal mechanics from one mode to another. If so -- The belt connects the motor to some white plastic, which again is connected to the big white CAM wheel. If you go, e.g., from stop to play you should see the large CAM wheel rotate to "play" positions. If you look carefully from the fron you should see appropriate marks. then the motor should stop. It actually a regualting circuit -- if you push the CAM wheel out of the proper position the motor engages and tries to bring it back to it intended position. > If so what is the specs for this motor??? Any advise would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you in advance and may you all have a wonderful > holiday season. Since your play is way to fast I agree with the "Capstans not engaging" diagnosis". If that's the case, the CAM wheel an CAM motor actually sould try to reach play positions which includes engaging the Pinchrollers. If the pinch rollers can't get into final position because of hardened grease, the CAM motor should strain itself in vain to get there. It might have stopped working because of that. Check if it moves at all during mode changes. K.-H. From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 18:18:41 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:18:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 hookup In-Reply-To: <003a01c60b52$81f9e6a0$6501a8c0@jose> Message-ID: <20051228171841.55516.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok. First of all you don't use the Encode and Decode RCA jacks for audio in and out. You should run down to radio shack or local electronics store and get female RCA to male 1/4" adapters. You will need four of them. Plug them into the 1/4" IN and OUT plugs on the back. As for the RCAs, there should be shorting bars between the encode in & out and another set of bars between decode in & out. These are used if you are using an external noise reduction system. If you REALLY want to use the RCAs for In/Out you will not have the ability to use the internal Dolby B/C processor. For the record problem you originally asked about, you can use the To encoder RCA as your audio in, but, you will need to make sure the NR Selector button on the front panel (top button, right side, 2nd column) is out for Ext. NR. SJ --- KUTTO wrote: > Nak experts, > I need help. > I inherited a MR-1. Playback is awesome...but I can't get it to > record. I'm using the RCA jacks (to Decoder). > I try to record something and playback comes empty. > Is there any special hookup? Is recording controlled by an IC that > went bad? > The peak level lights only work when I'm listening to a tape > through the headphone jack and nothing is connected in the back. > I really love this device..never had a deck like this before. > Thanks. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Dec 29 11:12:53 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:12:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 setting problem In-Reply-To: References: <20051224132404.35655.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74ef931464b8c69c6bcd27deb068d1df@zoomnet.com.au> I have since replaced elect caps in the PB Eq Amp and a got some improvement mainly it the right channel. Still difficult to get the left bias above -10. Normal seems a bit better than the chrome settings. I will keep replacing caps down the line but will have to wait until after new year when my parts supplier reopens. Thanks for the helpful suggestions. Have a fruitful new Year everyone. David On 26/12/2005, at 10:17 PM, David Thompson wrote: > Thanks Matyas and Kannan > > I recently replaced all the orange caps in the 582. Now I have > replaced C315 and all the electrolytic caps in the Rec Amp. > When I watch the bias and rec settings more closely, moving the right > bias meter makes the left one move with it. Not so much the other way, > left to right. The Rec levels will not go higher than -5 on both > meters. This happens with both > EX and SX settings. I have adjusted the RH Azimuth using the 15k tone. > I also replaced Q302 in the bias osc but this made little difference. > Voltage readings seem reasonable on the transistors. In the Rec Amp, > the voltage refs on IC303 (4558) are about 1/2V low. Maybe I should > replace it. I would appreciate any more suggestions. > > David > > On 24/12/2005, at 11:24 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > >> If there is uneven bias adjustment - the reason could be one or two >> capacitors in Bias adjustment circuit having leakage - replace those >> in that part after bias Osc - the Bias voltage is devided by >> resistors and capacitor to feed both channels ( CR 7 has two seperate >> bias oscillator filters -using a variable inductors and hence >> achieves better recording quality ) the switch to select the tape >> type seperates these feeds in to three different streams. If you find >> this problem in Metal bias - check Chrom tape  setting. If Chrome or >> Normal setting is better, then this capacitor is after the splitter >> part or the splitter part before tape type selector switch has the >> problem. Lack of enough bias to get the 15 Khz signal down to 0 db or >> below ( where 0db is actually -20 db with reference to 400 Hz level) >> indicates Orange Cap problem in bias oscillator >> >> kannan >> Matyas wrote: >>> Hi David >>> >>> I am trying to upload the N-582 service manual to Thomas Nak mine >>> FTP.. >>> but it is sluggish. >>> I made it available on file sharing. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 04:50:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:50:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <004301c60b4b$c1558d60$5f9187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051229035007.54434.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, These tapes must be very thick I believe? I have seen these tape drives in action and they wind back and forth almost nonstop for data access. Bala 79 Labs Nelson wrote: Hi Kermit They were dry wiped, with a blade to pick off anything rising too high, and a vacuum to suck up any dirt of loose oxide. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 27 December 2005 21:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > Well, I can say that, in my bank during the 1980's, the main > output files > > from the main frame computer programs were stored on tapes, and > these were > > regularly cleaned, as they were also degaussed, when the files expired. > > I suspect that computer tapes are handled differently than reel-to-reel > audio tapes. Computer tapes are driven to clipping and have higher data > density than analog audio. Also, the computer tape drives assert very > different stresses on tapes than do audio recorders; amd their heads are > a different design. I can see where cleaning a computer tape may be > advisable and would not cause the problems it does with audio tapes. Do > you know if the cleaning procedure use any fluids or were the tapes > merely dry wiped? > > >>Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- > >>when did you start cleaning tapes, and how long was it before you > >>stopped doing so? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 04:51:33 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:51:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CM-100 Mic question In-Reply-To: <43B1C050.4090903@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20051229035133.49368.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cheers Kermit! Bala Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> wrote: Now that's what I call recording, Kermit! Mike Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Edward Noyes wrote: > >> If I recall correctly, the CM-100/CM-300 used a odd size 6.3 or so >> volt battery that is near impossible to find (at least it was five >> years ago when I owned a pair of 300's. I substituted a 9 volt and >> had no problems other than the fact that it happens to be one of the >> most dry and lifeless sounding mics I've ever used (but that's >> normal). Stick to the AKG-D-200 - I took your advide and now own >> three pairs of these remarkable (and amazingly inexpensive) mics! > > > Not to worry, Ed. the AKG D200E is one of my mainstay mics. I use the > CM-100 on rare occasion, and even then only as a "tone" mic. For > examply, the CM-100's desert-dry, yet crisp, sound can add a sense of > detail to acoustic guitars when mixed with another mic. > > Recently I recorded a demo of a friend's guitar solos. Her guitar is > an inexpensive model Ibanez that sounds cheap on a recording. I double > mic'ed it using a Sennheiser MD421U (placed two feet away at the > sound-hole pointed toward the 12th fret) and the Nak CM-100 (placed > two feet away at the 12th fret pointed toward the bridge). Then I took > those two tracks and reamped them through a Fender Twin Reverb (mic'ed > with the same mics), with the reverb set to full effect, and using a > gate to shorten the effective reverb time to a scant 20 mS. By > carefully mixing the four tracks, I got the cheap guitar to sound like > an expensive handmade acoustic. > > The Sennheiser mic gave the sense of size and warmth while adding tone > and lower midrange the guitar lacked. Its low-cut filter prevented > boominess. > > The Nak CM-100's crispness added highs and a sense of attack that the > guitar lacks. > > The two reverb'ed tracks recorded using the Fender amp, when barely > mixed in, sounded like the natural resonance of a very fine handmade > guitar. > > I panned the Sennsheiser full center, the Nak slighlty to the right > and the two reverb'ed tracks full left and full right. The > Sennheiser's level was operating level, the Naks' level was about 20 > dB below that, and the reverb'ed tracks were just barely open. > > The digital multitrack recording was mixed down to a Nak 500 onto > Maxell professional chrome tape, from which was made a few cassette > copies and a transfer to CD-R. This was a demo, recall, and the Nak > 500 served well as master tape. Besides, my friend also has a Nak 500, > so it was very convenient to use mine for the master tape. > > My friend was thrilled and the demo has landed her several good paying > gigs. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 08:38:21 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:38:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Announcment for All Nakaphiles In-Reply-To: <43B147F8.6020007@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051229073821.92980.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, I will mail you a literature on these boards. I am releasing boards for all models from the 6XX series onwards eventually up to the DR series. The newer boards, due to better design and components will yield benefits on units that require the computing power like the ZXE/ZXL series. I decided to stick with the original funtionality so that the deck will retain some nostalgia. However, it is not difficult to customize by adding funcitons- if requested by customers. Hope you've had a Merry Christmas. My New Year greetings to you and your family. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs 772 Pasir Ris St 71 #15-364 Singapore 510772 Tel : 065-6584-2479 Mobile : 065-9351-7745 Ron wrote: You neglected to mention for what Nak models your new boards are intended. Also, prices. Also, why not update/improve on the originals? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Dear Fellow Nakkers and Friends, > > I am introducing replacement logic boards for Nak cassette > decks. These are newly designed, built and tested baords which are meant > drop in replacments for the original boards. The original boards are > more prone to failure and are hard to service due to availability of > parts. The replacement boards takes advantage of newer technology for > better reliability. They only replace the old boards but remain the same > in funtionality. They do not add or change the original operation of the > deck, nor do they require any change of major components in the deck. > > Both individual Nakkers and businesses are welcome to purchase these > boards. These are recommended in order to give our decks an extended > service life well into the next generation. Please email me offline for > further information and queries. Thank You > > Best Regards and Season Greetings to! All > Bala Ganesh > > 79 Labs > 772 Pasir Ris Street 71 > #15-364 > Singapore 510772 > Tel :065-6584-2479 > Mobile: 065-9351-7745 > Email : bg3009 at yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Dec 29 12:33:10 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:33:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC59@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Well I'm an owner of a ZX9 and I've repaired this unit about 3 times so far, all of which have been the cause of the dreaded orange cap disease. One problem was a dead erase bias oscillator cause by on capacitor going bad. Another problem was when using Dolby C the right channel would go dead, again caused by a bad cap and finally a crackling sound on one of the channels during playback - yep you guessed it the caps again. If you are tech savy or know a tech, replace the orange coloured caps and your ZX9 will be a very happy puppy. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ws407c at aol.com Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 11:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Any ZX-9 users out here ? just looking for input on this deck's performance history as well as common problems that occur with this particular deck . Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Dec 29 14:20:51 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:20:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Announcment for All Nakaphiles Message-ID: <43B3E2B3.60607@bluewin.ch> Bala, this is great news. It would be nice to have some additional features as "automatic music search". But as an ancient naktalk member, I don't remind any problems with Nak logic problems. The only Naks that are erroneous that I know are a CR-4 & my poor 600 II. Your idea still very interessting. I think you will do better fortune by realizing audio enhancement, as making a replica of the 1000ZXL playback amp. This one will fit in any "Discrete Head Cassette Deck" of 2nd generation. It will be for sure an old dream at last made available. I wish you all the best ! Matyas From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 29 15:44:47 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:44:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <20051229035007.54434.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c60c86$6a651c00$568087d9@oemcomputer> Hi Bala I don't recall them being particularly thick. Probably a few microns thicker than a R2R tape but they didn't feel significantly thicker. The way we worked the tapes didn't do much going back and forth because we collected raw data onto tapes, sorted the data into order on huge hard drives and then created sorted data files onto tapes before these were fed into the next stage of the suite of programs we were running. So, the tapes all ran in one direction until they came to the end of the each volume. That done, they were rapidly rewind, ready for the next volume to be put up on the deck. The decks were huge and very precise. Tapes rarely snapped on them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 29 December 2005 03:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Hi Graham, These tapes must be very thick I believe? I have seen these tape drives in action and they wind back and forth almost nonstop for data access. Bala 79 Labs Nelson wrote: Hi Kermit They were dry wiped, with a blade to pick off anything rising too high, and a vacuum to suck up any dirt of loose oxide. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 27 December 2005 21:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > We! ll, I can say that, in my bank during the 1980's, the main > output files > > from the main frame computer programs were stored on tapes, and > these were > > regularly cleaned, as they were also degaussed, when the files expired. > > I suspect that computer tapes are handled differently than reel-to-reel > audio tapes. Computer tapes are driven to clipping and have higher data > density than analog audio. Also, the computer tape drives assert very > different stresses on tapes than do audio recorders; amd their heads are > a different design. I can see where cleaning a computer tape may be > advisable and would not cause the problems it does with audio tapes. Do > you know if the cleaning procedure use any fluids or were the tapes > merely dry wiped? > > >>Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- > >>when did you start cleaning tapes, and ho! w long was it before you > >>stopped doing so? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Thu Dec 29 17:20:07 2005 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:20:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Motor noise. In-Reply-To: <20051228160611.63223.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0IS900EF4PDKGX40@l-daemon> More like a high pitched whine. It changes with motor speed - i.e. if I use the pitch control. Did you ever answer on what models your new boards are for? Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: December 28, 2005 8:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Motor noise. Hi Ken, It could be poor contact on one of the boards. Is it more like a low freq. hum or a high pitch noise? Bala 79 Labs Ken Mashlan wrote: Thanks. Ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 18:21:45 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:21:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance In-Reply-To: <000001c60c86$6a651c00$568087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051229172145.99481.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, They must be using a very solid tape base then! And wouldn't have much print through. However, they are recording discrete signals as opposed to signal waveforms as we do with r2r and cassettes, so there would be a small difference in formulations I believe. I think some of our more knowledgeable members like Kermit can shed light on this Regards Bala Nelson wrote: Hi Bala I don't recall them being particularly thick. Probably a few microns thicker than a R2R tape but they didn't feel significantly thicker. The way we worked the tapes didn't do much going back and forth because we collected raw data onto tapes, sorted the data into order on huge hard drives and then created sorted data files onto tapes before these were fed into the next stage of the suite of programs we were running. So, the tapes all ran in one direction until they came to the end of the each volume. That done, they were rapidly rewind, ready for the next volume to be put up on the deck. The decks were huge and very precise. Tapes rarely snapped on them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 29 December 2005 03:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance Hi Graham, These tapes must be very thick I believe? I have seen these tape drives in action and they wind back and forth almost nonstop for data access. Bala 79 Labs Nelson wrote: Hi Kermit They were dry wiped, with a blade to pick off anything rising too high, and a vacuum to suck up any dirt of loose oxide. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 27 December 2005 21:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maximizing Tape Performance > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > We! ll, I can say that, in my bank during the 1980's, the main > output files > > from the main frame computer programs were stored on tapes, and > these were > > regularly cleaned, as they were also degaussed, when the files expired. > > I suspect that computer tapes are handled differently than reel-to-reel > audio tapes. Computer tapes are driven to clipping and have higher data > density than analog audio. Also, the computer tape drives assert very > different stresses on tapes than do audio recorders; amd their heads are > a different design. I can see where cleaning a computer tape may be > advisable and would not cause the problems it does with audio tapes. Do > you know if the cleaning procedure use any fluids or were the tapes > merely dry wiped? > > >>Let me ask the more experienced and older tape enthusiasts among us -- > >>when did you start cleaning tapes, and ho! w long was it before you > >>stopped doing so? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Dec 29 20:00:44 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Motor noise. In-Reply-To: <20051228160611.63223.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051228160611.63223.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43B4325C.4050600@yahoo.ca> Is it humming or motor noise? If it's humming it can be the transformer and you should pu it and the rectifier in a separate enclosure if it's the cause. Maybe a capacitor is failing, maybe your motor is not going well, maybe it's a grounding issue. Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi Ken, > > It could be poor contact on one of the boards. Is it more > like a low freq. hum or a high pitch noise? > > Bala > 79 Labs > > > */Ken Mashlan /* wrote: > > Hi all... > > I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on motor buzz on a > 1000zxl. In playback there is motor noise audible from the > outputs -- even if there is no tape in the machine. Usually this > is a problem with grounding? I can hear it when a recording is > played back on another deck, so i! t is being added to the > recording as well. > > Thanks. > Ken > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! 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Message-ID: I checked the Naks page and it indicates the CR and DR series were "present" with a remote control. I am currently looking for a deck with wireless remote, and the leading candiadte so far is the current production Marantz dual dubber( with manual bias adjust). This deck goes for alittle over 200.00, but runds both sides in loop for record or playback i believe.Did the cr /dr series have the wireless remote? Anyone reccomend a deck with wireless remote? I think i heard one of the sony TK-ES decks had it? thaNKS -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 30 09:54:09 2005 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:54:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revised: Nakamichi DR Series Deck Wanted to BUY!!!!! Message-ID: Nakamichi Community, Okay, Asides from those who've made me offers for their particular DR series cassette deck, Who else out there has a DR series deck to offer me? My budget range : Any Nakamichi DR Series 2 head deck - Up to $ 100 Any Nakamichi DR Series 3 head deck - Up to $ 180 I am only looking for excellent to mint condition decks internally and externally. Completely operational - all lights, functions, moving parts. EVERYTHING INTACT as I am looking forward to adding one to my personal collection. Thank You, Felix Yeung From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Fri Dec 30 11:06:14 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] O/T References: <20051224132404.35655.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74ef931464b8c69c6bcd27deb068d1df@zoomnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006901c60d28$acbedbc0$0601a8c0@TG> Hi Nakkers Anybody has any experience with this ONKYO-Intergra-TA-2700 series, as claimed by the seller Genuine Nakamichi Heads used??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-TA-2700-3-head-Cassette-Nakamichi-Heads_W0QQitemZ5847505457QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Happy New Year!!! Tayfur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matyas at bluewin.ch Fri Dec 30 12:06:24 2005 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Help: Philips EL 3300 Message-ID: <43B514B0.90803@bluewin.ch> Hello, I need some little help! I am sure one of you did own the first Philips cassette recorder from 1963, the EL 3300. My mother did some flamenca recordings among gypsies in France during these these years. I want to enhance these recordings for her, unfortunately, we don't know where the recorder has gone. So I hope to find help there! I need to correct its phase response distortion. would be very kind if someone could just record a 220 Hz square wave on it. (additional mic input take would be a must) Then replaying the tape in a Nak Dragon (or any other model, but tell me which Nak you have used) Since I also correct the Nakamichi phase distortion. then do digital capture to finally send me the file in 320 kbps MP3 or APE format. (10 second long, not more!) I hope this is very little task for you, but it will be absolutely useful! Greetings & best wishes for the new year! Matyas http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jeanluc.fournier/sixties/apres/Q4_EL3300.jpg From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 13:34:42 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:34:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote control on Nak? Message-ID: <269.345097a.30e68362@aol.com> Hi Gigkerttz and greeting to all fellow Nakkers! It has been a long time! I use to own a Nakamichi CR 7A it had a wireless remote control still kicking myself for selling it !!, what a beautiful machine! I still have a Nakamichi CR 3A a couple of 480s and YES! I still have the Nakamichi Dragon! sad thing though havent used it in a year now!! going to do check it one of these days! hope it is working the same as it was last time I used it. Also I LOVE my Revox B 710 Mk2 cassette deck with 4 motors!! which has the fastest fast forward and rewind time of any tape deck oh the sound! I think on par with the best Nakamichis like the Dragon and CR-7A. Also had the Revox B 215 but I think the quality of the B 710 Mk2 is much better than the B 215 , these can also be confirgured with wireless remote control or maybe some did come with remote I am not sure! If you really want a top nothch Nakamichi with remote control go for the CR 7A you wont regret it , one draw back they usally sell for a lot of money!! (LOL!!) WISHING EVERYONE! HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND YES! A BEAUTIFUL AND SUCESSFUL HAPPY NEW YEAR!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 15:12:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:12:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Motor noise. In-Reply-To: <0IS900EF4PDKGX40@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20051230141214.32442.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken, I will be mailing a literature on the boards shortly. Regards Bala 79 Labs Ken Mashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } More like a high pitched whine. It changes with motor speed – i.e. if I use the pitch control. Did you ever answer on what models your new boards are for? Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: December 28, 2005 8:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Motor noise. Hi Ken, It could be poor contact on one of the boards. Is it more like a low freq. hum or a high pitch noise? Bala 79 Labs Ken Mashlan wrote: Thanks. Ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Fri Dec 30 18:09:36 2005 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (Eddy Pollet) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:09:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Computer tapes In-Reply-To: <200512301027.jBUAQppg016461@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, On the subject of computer tapes, I don't think they can be compared to audio tapes, their usage being completely different . First (and I'm talking IBM manufactured units) -and pardon my crappy english- next to the heads,, there were two rather long "columns" (by lack of a better word) at the bottom of wich there was a suction device that would suck the tape into it . They were exacly as large as the tape, so that the tape formed more or less a seal . The pickup real also had this suction, and the complete system was in an air-tight compartment . So, mounting the tape was easy ... you mounted the reel to one side and pushed the "load" button . The empty reel sucked the tape in and made a few rotations, after wich the full reel loosened a bit and about 4 or 6 ft of tape were sucked into each of the columns . After that the 'almost empty real advanced to the "Start of tape"-mirror, a reflecting label stuck on the tape, and then the tape became "ready" . Due to the two columns, traction was no problem, since they formed a buffer between the fast accelerating and decelerating reels, taking of tension of the tape . Then, there were 7 or 9 read/write heads, one of which was for a parity bit, with additional parity bits after each block of data . For those not into it, a bit is a "thing" that can be "0" or "1", and with e.g. 7 heads, a character was represented by a succession of 6 of those bits, to which a seventh bit was added to make up for an uneven number of bits : if you had e.g. a code like "000110", the seventh bit would be also a "1", for "0111110"; it would be a "0" . With the parity bits at the end of the block of data, it became possible to correct potential read errors; or, in any case, to detect them . This means that there was quite a margin in the reading and/or writing ... anything above half the nominal charge of the particle was considered a "1", anything less a "0", and an error was detected and corrected in most of the cases, unlike the situation on an analog tape, were such a loss of signal would mean a drop-out, or at least a part of the signal missing, maybe inaudible . Also the density of bits was fixed ... if I remember well, it was 6250 bpi (bits per inch) ... and there was no advantage in having more bpi, so the particle size was fixed also and can be calculated by dividing 1 inch by 6250 . I'm not sure, but I'm quite sure that the result would be many times bigger than the particle size for an audio tape . I remember having made an audio recording on a computer tape, and it sounded a bit like AM-radio, probably because of the lack of "resolution" of the tape, causing a very "ragged" signal . As for the cleaning of the tapes, I recall a sort of tape deck with, in lieu of the heads, 2 or 3 rolls of tissue, in between which the tape passed . I don't think there was a liquid involved, but I'm not sure of that . Well ... this is about all I recall about computer tapes, later replaced by 18 head and 36 head cartridges . Eddy From bg56322 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 18:24:43 2005 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:24:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wireless remote In-Reply-To: <200512301101.jBUB0jDV016612@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20051230172443.29428.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Jerry, Think about this: Nakamichi preamp CA-7 has remote capability and capable of wirelesly operating 2 decks. This make possible to use almost any Nak as wirelesly controlled. there is realy a synergy going on when Nak decks are connected to it. You can connect any deck that has wire remote connector. You need CA-7, remote control and 2 DIN connection cables. I use it and it works flawlessly. CA-7 is an excellent preamp (original cost was $2800) and can be found dirt cheap ($300-450 if you look strong enough) For that money you get an awesome phono stage and remote for 2 decks. Maybe even 3 if CD input is used to control playback of the thrid deck. For comparrison, Nak wireless remote unit for one deck is hard to find and cost usually over $250. Of non-Nak decks that have wireless remote capability, I can recommend NAD 6300. If it is on sale without remote, you can use universal remote (e.g. Harmony). Good luck, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ws407c at aol.com Sat Dec 31 00:51:18 2005 From: Ws407c at aol.com (Ws407c at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:51:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) Message-ID: <148.52d70e72.30e721f6@aol.com> Hi Alex , Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the other for $1045.99 . Yes I paid more than they seem to be worth on the used price list's out there but I don't want to wait around to 'find' a deal , I want 'em now! These tape decks are absolutely unbelievable and I never thought I would take a step backwards to cassette until I heard one of these. No more being trapped into the digital control thing, I can record anything I want without hassle and Enjoy super clean recordings ! I am completely electronically inclined as well as in the electro-mechanical end of these things and am looking forward to doing a full restoration on one of these my self. ( I need jig's :-) I might send one of my other ZX-9's in to ESLabs for a complete restoration also , for I have only heard super positive results out of people on this company. Yes the price seem's way high , but if you take into consideration the amount of work this entails ,it is money well spent. And I do not have any jig's yet. I hope to get detailed dimensions and details on jigs so I can have them made up for myself. I am so glad to have discovered this magical medium of Nakamichi cassette audio , as well as this group ! Dave Hi Dave! If...you are the buyer, and replied to my mail, I will be delight! Have a nice lovely & productive new coming 2006 year! Cheers, ALEX! On 12/30/05, Dave wrote: > I'll let you know when I get it :-) > > Dave > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > Hi Bobby! > > > > You get ONLY the EXTERIOR cabinet...what happen REALLY inside...TILL > > you pay & get it...never any of us will be 100% sure that inside is > > also "SO MINT"!!! > > > > Be well! > > > > ALEX! > > > > On 11/4/05, robert_wilsonsg wrote: > > > Yes what a well written pitch. The deck is currently running at > > > about $999 and asking $1200 which in my view is god value for > > > somthing that achives the almost impossible and is over 20 years > old > > > in such good condition. I only hope my Dragon can fetch good money > > > one day - and keeps going. Its currently playing Emerson Lake and > > > Palmer's "Tarkus" recorded off vinyl about 15 years ago on TDK AD > > > and still sounds great. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Alan A. Baldwin" > wrote: > > > > > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:NakChatt at yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of MrBleus > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:22 PM > > > > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [NakChatt] Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. > > > One > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- > > > > Pristine_W0QQitemZ5824253181QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > (cut n' paste both strings of text) > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the most well-written auction adverts I've seen. Great > > > > digital photos too. I tend to think that this seller will get > the > > > > big $$$$'s for this one. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Bleus > > > > > > > > > > > > exerpts from the auction advert..... > > > > > > > > Nakamichi's high-end cassette decks almost defied the laws of > > > physics > > > > and stretched the performance of the cassette medium to greater > > > > extents than it has ever been stretched, before or since. and > > > among > > > > the Nakamichi decks, the ZX-9 was probably the undisputed > pinnacle > > > of > > > > their art. To support this claim it should be noted that until > > > > Nakamichi closed their recording studio, they used the ZX-9 to > do > > > > their reference recording. This deck is not only beautiful > > > > cosemetically, but is nearly indestructable, and truely a > > > > multifaceted and functional piece of cassette deck > craftsmanship. > > > ES > > > > Labs said it has one of the lowest wow and flutter measurements > > > they > > > > have measured. > > > > > > > > Very few Nakamichi models were built to these exacting > standards. > > > One > > > > or two others, like the Dragon, were undeniably more > > > sophisticated, > > > > not necessarily sonically, but in their mechanical engineering. > > > The > > > > ZX-9 kept automation to a minimum, allowing hand tuning with > > > internal > > > > electronic tone generators for assistance which allowed > incredible > > > > dynamic range and a lovely "analogue" warmth that is so true to > > > the > > > > source, it is virtually indistinguishable. There is more on this > > > > below... > > > > > > > > The ZX-9 was in production from 1982 to 1985 and preceeded the > > > > Dragon. Originally based on the ZX-7, the direct drive motors of > > > the > > > > ZX-9 reduced wow and flutter to a negligible entity allowing the > > > > recordings to be warm, and unbelievably clean and delicate. > > > > > > > > One of the original "drawback's" to a Nakamichi machince was the > > > > following claim. "If you make a recording on a Nakamichi deck, > it > > > has > > > > to be played back on a Nakamichi deck, otherwise it won't sound > > > > right!" That was because the exacting standards that Nakamichi > > > went > > > > through were impossible for other manufacturers to duplicate for > > > some > > > > reason, and the fact that everyone else used bandwith boosting > for > > > > recording and the opposite for playback had a negative effect > on a > > > > tape that was recorded absolutely linearly on a Nakamichi, which > > > was > > > > what actually prompted the Dragon in the first place. It used > > > > Nakamichi's NAAC (Nakamichi Automatic Azimuth Control) to read > the > > > > PLAYBACK of a recorded tape, and correct the playback tapes head > > > > azimuth (or proper alignment) to match the tape. Since every > other > > > > deck other than Nakamichi's recorded tapes in various states of > > > > alignment, this supposedly corrected for that. The Dragon was > > > never > > > > perported to be the ultimate recorder, just better for playback. > > > > > > > > > > > > ""...the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't > > > actually > > > > the best thing the legendary cassette masters did. It's a big, > > > bold, > > > > lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it was > > > > never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade > > > went > > > > to the ZX-9..." Hi-Fi World > > > > > > > > Where the ZX-9 differs, is that it was designed to lay the > > > material > > > > down CORRECTLY DURING THE RECORDING phase. You don't need a > > > bandaid > > > > if there is no wound to fix! The ZX-9 provides controls that > > > enable > > > > the user to attain perfect recordings every time. The recording > > > head > > > > azimuth, recording bias, and levels can be optimally calibrated > > > > before starting a recording and the headroom on this machine is > > > like > > > > no other that I've experienced. > > > > > > > > When recording with metal tape, you can set the levels as high > as > > > > +8dB without encountering ANY distortion. Nakamichi actually > > > > recommends a high recording level when using metal tape to > improve > > > > the signal-to-noise ratio. Recordings made with normal bias tape > > > are > > > > equally good, in fact, I prefer them to standard chrome tape. > > > Also, > > > > you will be amazed how inconsistent tapes are, not only from > brand > > > to > > > > brand, but even from Side A to Side B! Setting up the recorder > to > > > > calibrate it to the tape is the ONLY way to get accuracy in your > > > > recording as it truly is calibrated for THAT SPECIFIC tape, and > > > > therefore you get perfect recordings, every time. > > > > > > > > This is a serious recording machine, unlike anything that has > been > > > > made or will be made for the consumer, yet, it is simple enough > > > for > > > > anyone to use. And once you make a tape on this machine, you > will > > > > understand why those who have stuck their noses up at anything > > > other > > > > than a Nak, have rightfully done so. > > > > > > > > Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in > cyberspace!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > Audio cassette deck > > > > > > t=ms&k=Audio+cassette+deck&w1=Audio+casset > > > > te+deck&w2=Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=EwEbsGSnlm_iVzTsAw6SrQ> > Pro > > > > audio > > > > > > t=ms&k=Pro+audio&w1=Audio+cassette+deck&w2 > > > > =Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=CU5-3saP2XoDJQthF5WdjQ> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "NakChatt > > > > " on the web. > > > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > NakChatt-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of > > > > Service . > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in > cyberspace!!! > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Know an art & music fan? Make a donation in their honor this holiday season! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/.6dcNC/.VHMAA/Zx0JAA/bDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in cyberspace!!! > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NakChatt-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at ibsen.us Fri Dec 30 20:03:52 2005 From: karl at ibsen.us (karl at ibsen.us) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:03:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Message-ID: <002301c60d73$d5f6a8b0$0500a8c0@Voyager> Hi, I bought a BX-300 from an eBay seller. When I bought it, I knew that it would need a new idler tire, which is not unusual. However, now that I am trying to play the deck, I'm getting no sound from either the tape-out jacks or the headphone jack. The meters are acting strangely, too. They'll stay at about four lights up from the bottom and periodically jump to the top, then return. I have tried several different tapes with the same result, plus all the tapes play OK on another deck. I have also cleaned the heads and demagnetized them. The heads themselves look to be in very good condition. The deck, too, is in very good cosmetic condition. Does anyone have any suggestions? Karl Ibsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 30 20:12:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:12:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Computer tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009201c60d75$0a23f060$ebc887d9@oemcomputer> Eddy You are now taking me back to the old days!! Before we got IBM decks we had old ICL machine and ancient tapes that came out of clear plastic cases. They had to be handled carefully so as not to squeeze the sides of the reels and damage the tape. Later tapes for the IBMs came with a white band around the tape area so the tape could be mounted (in theory!) without exposing the tape itself to the air in the room as the tape deck undid the white band and automatically picked up the tape. The newer tape decks were not so versatile as the older ones, however, although they were more sophisticated. If the program had a read error, the old tape decks would be switched off and the tape therein would be "frigged" - that is to say, it would be moved a fraction of an inch - and moved passed the offending part. The deck would then be switched back on and continue reading. The more "modern" IBM decks, however, could not be switched off without them rewinding back to the tape header as soon as the deck was switched back on. The was a problem when the decks could not overcome a read error. Gra' > From ady at spamcop.net Fri Dec 30 21:51:06 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:51:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cheap supply of sony chrome tapes? Message-ID: hi.. just noticed what seems a very cheap supplier of new Sony Chrome tapes UX-S.. http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_sony_uxs_c90_prodinfo.html Does anyone have any experience of this tape? adrian From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Dec 31 04:40:25 2005 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:40:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What can I do with my Dragon, before sending to ESL... Message-ID: Hello everyone! Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and best wishes on the New Year! I have posted here a few times with questions about my newly acquired NAK Dragon. I had plans to send it to ESL to have it reconditioned right away, but after what I spent for X-mas, I would rather do what I can myself, just need a little guidance. I am capable, as, I am an electrician by trade, and do much electrical/electronic work... but, not much expertise on NAK cassette decks. I have ordered a new cam belt, new counter belt and a replacement cassette well lamp from ESL. I would like to start cleaning all the switch contacts, electrical contacts, board contacts etc. I was planning on using "Craig" DeoxIT as the contact cleaner, and "Craig" ProGold after cleaning up the contacts, as this is what I have always used on my other gear. I would like to clean off all the existing lubricant, and replace with what is the best in use today, but need some help here. Also, what else should I be looking for, and replacing/upgrading/cleaning etc. I really appreciate the help I have received from this great site! Again, Happy New Year!!! Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Dec 31 04:52:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:52:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) Message-ID: Hi Dave! First of all & MOST important...ENJOYED!!!!! Why you pay...is only and only important for you...there are superbly decks, (I own a gifted Dragon!), today..& my history with Nak decks is very long...since my first one the Legendary Tri Tracer 1000/2 during 1968. Regarding ESL Labs...sorry I'm NO capable to any advice...as I live in Israel, & I decided IF...one day my lovely Dragon will need to be serviced...near for me is in UK by B&W Labs...I already contact them & today they can handle my Dragon well...I'm thinking a decade more what really will happen???. So money issue apart...I'm extremely happy for you! Bravo!!! Have a nice & productive new 2008 year! Be well, ALEX! >From: Ws407c at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: alex.cozac at gmail.com, naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:51:18 EST > >Hi Alex , > >Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the >other for $1045.99 . Yes I paid more than they seem to be worth on the used >price list's out there but I don't want to wait around to 'find' a deal , I >want >'em now! > >These tape decks are absolutely unbelievable and I never thought I would >take a step backwards to cassette until I heard one of these. No more being >trapped into the digital control thing, I can record anything I want >without >hassle and Enjoy super clean recordings ! > >I am completely electronically inclined as well as in the >electro-mechanical >end of these things and am looking forward to doing a full restoration on >one of these my self. ( I need jig's :-) > >I might send one of my other ZX-9's in to ESLabs for a complete restoration >also , for I have only heard super positive results out of people on this >company. > >Yes the price seem's way high , but if you take into consideration the >amount of work this entails ,it is money well spent. And I do not have any >jig's >yet. I hope to get detailed dimensions and details on jigs so I can have >them >made up for myself. > >I am so glad to have discovered this magical medium of Nakamichi cassette >audio , as well as this group ! > >Dave > > > > > > > > > >Hi Dave! > >If...you are the buyer, and replied to my mail, I will be delight! > >Have a nice lovely & productive new coming 2006 year! > >Cheers, >ALEX! > >On 12/30/05, Dave wrote: > > I'll let you know when I get it :-) > > > > Dave > > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bobby! > > > > > > You get ONLY the EXTERIOR cabinet...what happen REALLY inside...TILL > > > you pay & get it...never any of us will be 100% sure that inside is > > > also "SO MINT"!!! > > > > > > Be well! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > On 11/4/05, robert_wilsonsg wrote: > > > > Yes what a well written pitch. The deck is currently running at > > > > about $999 and asking $1200 which in my view is god value for > > > > somthing that achives the almost impossible and is over 20 years > > old > > > > in such good condition. I only hope my Dragon can fetch good money > > > > one day - and keeps going. Its currently playing Emerson Lake and > > > > Palmer's "Tarkus" recorded off vinyl about 15 years ago on TDK AD > > > > and still sounds great. > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Alan A. Baldwin" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > From: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:NakChatt at yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of MrBleus > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:22 PM > > > > > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [NakChatt] Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. > > > > One > > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- > > > > > Pristine_W0QQitemZ5824253181QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > > > (cut n' paste both strings of text) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the most well-written auction adverts I've seen. Great > > > > > digital photos too. I tend to think that this seller will get > > the > > > > > big $$$$'s for this one. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bleus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exerpts from the auction advert..... > > > > > > > > > > Nakamichi's high-end cassette decks almost defied the laws of > > > > physics > > > > > and stretched the performance of the cassette medium to greater > > > > > extents than it has ever been stretched, before or since. and > > > > among > > > > > the Nakamichi decks, the ZX-9 was probably the undisputed > > pinnacle > > > > of > > > > > their art. To support this claim it should be noted that until > > > > > Nakamichi closed their recording studio, they used the ZX-9 to > > do > > > > > their reference recording. This deck is not only beautiful > > > > > cosemetically, but is nearly indestructable, and truely a > > > > > multifaceted and functional piece of cassette deck > > craftsmanship. > > > > ES > > > > > Labs said it has one of the lowest wow and flutter measurements > > > > they > > > > > have measured. > > > > > > > > > > Very few Nakamichi models were built to these exacting > > standards. > > > > One > > > > > or two others, like the Dragon, were undeniably more > > > > sophisticated, > > > > > not necessarily sonically, but in their mechanical engineering. > > > > The > > > > > ZX-9 kept automation to a minimum, allowing hand tuning with > > > > internal > > > > > electronic tone generators for assistance which allowed > > incredible > > > > > dynamic range and a lovely "analogue" warmth that is so true to > > > > the > > > > > source, it is virtually indistinguishable. There is more on this > > > > > below... > > > > > > > > > > The ZX-9 was in production from 1982 to 1985 and preceeded the > > > > > Dragon. Originally based on the ZX-7, the direct drive motors of > > > > the > > > > > ZX-9 reduced wow and flutter to a negligible entity allowing the > > > > > recordings to be warm, and unbelievably clean and delicate. > > > > > > > > > > One of the original "drawback's" to a Nakamichi machince was the > > > > > following claim. "If you make a recording on a Nakamichi deck, > > it > > > > has > > > > > to be played back on a Nakamichi deck, otherwise it won't sound > > > > > right!" That was because the exacting standards that Nakamichi > > > > went > > > > > through were impossible for other manufacturers to duplicate for > > > > some > > > > > reason, and the fact that everyone else used bandwith boosting > > for > > > > > recording and the opposite for playback had a negative effect > > on a > > > > > tape that was recorded absolutely linearly on a Nakamichi, which > > > > was > > > > > what actually prompted the Dragon in the first place. It used > > > > > Nakamichi's NAAC (Nakamichi Automatic Azimuth Control) to read > > the > > > > > PLAYBACK of a recorded tape, and correct the playback tapes head > > > > > azimuth (or proper alignment) to match the tape. Since every > > other > > > > > deck other than Nakamichi's recorded tapes in various states of > > > > > alignment, this supposedly corrected for that. The Dragon was > > > > never > > > > > perported to be the ultimate recorder, just better for playback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""...the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't > > > > actually > > > > > the best thing the legendary cassette masters did. It's a big, > > > > bold, > > > > > lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it was > > > > > never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade > > > > went > > > > > to the ZX-9..." Hi-Fi World > > > > > > > > > > Where the ZX-9 differs, is that it was designed to lay the > > > > material > > > > > down CORRECTLY DURING THE RECORDING phase. You don't need a > > > > bandaid > > > > > if there is no wound to fix! The ZX-9 provides controls that > > > > enable > > > > > the user to attain perfect recordings every time. The recording > > > > head > > > > > azimuth, recording bias, and levels can be optimally calibrated > > > > > before starting a recording and the headroom on this machine is > > > > like > > > > > no other that I've experienced. > > > > > > > > > > When recording with metal tape, you can set the levels as high > > as > > > > > +8dB without encountering ANY distortion. Nakamichi actually > > > > > recommends a high recording level when using metal tape to > > improve > > > > > the signal-to-noise ratio. Recordings made with normal bias tape > > > > are > > > > > equally good, in fact, I prefer them to standard chrome tape. > > > > Also, > > > > > you will be amazed how inconsistent tapes are, not only from > > brand > > > > to > > > > > brand, but even from Side A to Side B! Setting up the recorder > > to > > > > > calibrate it to the tape is the ONLY way to get accuracy in your > > > > > recording as it truly is calibrated for THAT SPECIFIC tape, and > > > > > therefore you get perfect recordings, every time. > > > > > > > > > > This is a serious recording machine, unlike anything that has > > been > > > > > made or will be made for the consumer, yet, it is simple enough > > > > for > > > > > anyone to use. And once you make a tape on this machine, you > > will > > > > > understand why those who have stuck their noses up at anything > > > > other > > > > > than a Nak, have rightfully done so. > > > > > > > > > > Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in > > cyberspace!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > Audio cassette deck > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Audio+cassette+deck&w1=Audio+casset > > > > > te+deck&w2=Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=EwEbsGSnlm_iVzTsAw6SrQ> > > Pro > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Pro+audio&w1=Audio+cassette+deck&w2 > > > > > =Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=CU5-3saP2XoDJQthF5WdjQ> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "NakChatt > > > > > " on the web. > > > > > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > NakChatt-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > > > subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > > of > > > > > Service . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in > > cyberspace!!! > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >--------------------~--> > > Know an art & music fan? Make a donation in their honor this holiday >season! > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/.6dcNC/.VHMAA/Zx0JAA/bDIolB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in cyberspace!!! > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/ > > > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > NakChatt-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sat Dec 31 06:47:47 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:47:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 References: <200512310011.jBV0Bs71018452@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000c01c60dcd$ba415b60$8902a8c0@warbird> Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on the quote from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this one): http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html The entire paragraph reads: "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't actually the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it was never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the ZX-9, and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and sounded even better still." All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! Paul Dingle Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > To: alex.cozac at gmail.com, naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <148.52d70e72.30e721f6 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Alex , > > Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the > other for $1045.99 > > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. > > > > > Alan > > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. > > > > One > > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 31 12:09:25 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:09:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 In-Reply-To: <000c01c60dcd$ba415b60$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <00dc01c60dfa$a99a88e0$ebc887d9@oemcomputer> The author of that article is one of the few people I know who actually thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did have a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > > > Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on > the quote > from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this > one): > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > The entire paragraph reads: > > "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - > isn't actually > the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, > bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but > it was never > their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the ZX-9, > and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and > sounded even better still." > > All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! > > Paul Dingle > Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Dec 31 17:57:52 2005 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak Message-ID: hello again Nakkers Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other (better cared for) machine. this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to do....... It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it starts playing immediately one closes the door. However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their return to work after new Year is by! Any suggestions welcome ........ The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the info got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports of getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more importantly ones ears! I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves away! Peace of the season, good will to all beings. Ian R Scotland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 18:46:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 In-Reply-To: <00dc01c60dfa$a99a88e0$ebc887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20051231174652.1625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and Compact Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of Nakamichi's time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. Combined with the detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it an excellent deck for analogue fans. I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of pockets, users. So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes Best Regards Bala Nelson wrote: The author of that article is one of the few people I know who actually thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did have a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > > > Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on > the quote > from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this > one): > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > The entire paragraph reads: > > "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - > isn't actually > the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, > bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but > it was never > their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the ZX-9, > and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and > sounded even better still." > > All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! > > Paul Dingle > Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Dec 31 18:13:32 2005 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:13:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B6BC3C.9020303@yahoo.ca> If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do with the counter circuits that stops the deck. earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had > done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had > replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other > (better cared for) machine. > > this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc > etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it > ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to > do....... > > It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of a > desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do > whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of > a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a > small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be > returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them > UNLESS you know differrent. > > Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this is > a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can do to > trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light goes off > and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it starts > playing immediately > one closes the door. > > However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I > am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their > return to work after new Year is by! > > Any suggestions welcome ........ > > The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years ago > from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible > ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are > in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin > and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the info > got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports of > getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more importantly > ones ears! > > I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im > sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new > machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... > > If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too > much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly > interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in > pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will > probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but > actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given decent > source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and excellent > product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from cassettes and > posting it to your endorfuns > > time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves away! > > > Peace of the season, good will to all beings. > > Ian R > Scotland > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ady at spamcop.net Sat Dec 31 18:28:56 2005 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:28:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi ian.. glad you're happy with your machine.. I have a 680 with very little use and I too am amazed at what older tape recordings can sound like.. It would be helpful to post how much your service / repair cost at B&W for us UK dwellers. I've been doing the necessities with parts from ESL labs but I'm tempted to just send it down to B&W.. regards adrian On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had > done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had > replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other > (better cared for) machine. > > this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc > etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated > it ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could > find to do....... > > It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because > of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to > do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the > end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or > rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I > assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel > they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. > > Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this > is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can > do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light > goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it > starts playing > immediately one closes the door. > > However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so > I am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on > their return to work after new Year is by! > > Any suggestions welcome ........ > > The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years > ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound > incredible ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live > recordings are in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted > produce a big grin and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is > amazing is that the info got onto the tapes but there was no way > with non Nak transports of getting the info off and into ones > speakers ...... or more importantly ones ears! > > I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but > Im sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively > new machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... > > If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry > too much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly > interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in > pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will > probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but > actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given > decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and > excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from > cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns > > time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband > moves away! > > > Peace of the season, good will to all beings. > > Ian R > Scotland > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 21:43:57 2005 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sony UX-S In-Reply-To: <200512311101.jBVB0lFf020323@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20051231204357.41277.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> I have used Sony UX-S made in the 1990s and it was very good tape. I would place it next to TDK SA-X.. In my experience, it was better than Maxel XLII-S. I have not used this new one. Maybe it is the same tape formulation, maybe not. Anyway, the price seems to be very good. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-2.txt ************************************************************************ From forums at magnetize.biz Tue Feb 1 05:06:54 2005 From: forums at magnetize.biz (Magnetize) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:06:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question References: <200501311942.j0VJfrH2001269@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <004f01c50813$77c7c9b0$b900a8c0@web> > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > or reverb tails. > > N-Joy! I doubt ill be investing in a soldering iron just yet but thanks a lot of your very informative views :) Btw, Nakamichi amps.....any suggestions? From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 00:59:37 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:59:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Capstan motor help needed In-Reply-To: <008001c506c9$06497e00$f1aa4e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me source a replacement capstan motor for my Nakamichi Mobile Tuner Deck 1 car deck. The original motor started behaving erratically with wow and flutter all over the place before dying completely. I have opened it up and cleaned it in the hope of reviving it but no joy. I think the small IC or something else must be dead. I have tried the capstan motor board from another mobile Nak, the RD-460 but the speed is completely different and I can't adjust it to fit my MTD 1. The Nakamichi part number for my capstan motor is CA81280B so if anyone has a clue where I can find one, much appreciated! Thanks. Kelvin. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Feb 1 03:40:29 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:40:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: <1D8B7551.21B1969E.026D48C1@netscape.net> References: <1D8B7551.21B1969E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41FEEC1D.2070901@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Nick! Fabulous tweaks! I've added the info to m y ever-growin gtech library. Much thanks! N-Joy! Nick wrote: > First and foremost - all said below is based on my own preferences and likings. Your perception may be different. You really MUST listen for yourself whether you like the upgraded sound of your gear or not. > > Tweaking is not an easy task, very time-consuming and subjective, but the results could be fantastic (and could be awful as well). Unfortunately you can not just buy a handful of the best components, solder them in place and enjoy. The result could be far from satisfactory, let alone good or excellent. Several times some excessive tweaking leads me to the audio dead-end and I had to start from some previous point moving in another direction. > > And the last but not least - thorough tweaking could easily double or even triple the price you paid for the original machine. Think for yourself if all this is worth your money and effort. > >>From my modest personal experience the most profound difference I got was after replacing the most crytical lytics in the signal path and power supply for non-polar Black Gates (E-Cap) and introducing Infineon carborundum diods (better than HEXFREDs) into the power supply. Some improvements could be achieved by replacing critical voltage regulators for better ones (Motorola), Linear Technologies is even better, but being regulated type, they require some additional resistors to set the voltage appropriately. Tremendous (well, at least to my mind) improvement I get after upgrading the headphone section ICs (best with small pcbs a-la LC Audio with 2 single Burr-Brown OPA-627 IC) and lytics. > > Another worthwhile upgrade was placing a tantalum resistor at the collector of the first input transistor just after the heads, it proves to be a better option than simply replace the ordinary resistor with Holco or Vishay substitute. > > Power cords... I do not want to start another 'cable war' here and refrain from mentioning the brands so listen for yourself. Installing IEC socket will give you a possibility to compare different power cords quite easily. > > Copper shielding usually introduce some slight improvements but the difference is really subtle. > > The main problem in Naks is a huge amount of switching transistors in the signal paths, and there is no simple way to overcome this. Using hermetically sealed reed relays is impractical due to pcb space constraints. > > Other common cause of sound degradation is ceramic capacitors. If your budget permits try to change them with better types (HR, MPO), the best option is to replace them with silver-mica caps. > > Well... here you are to name a few. I consider these tweaks to be the facetting that help our precious gems to shine. > > With the very best wishes, > > Nicholas. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 05:33:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:33:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question Message-ID: Bravo Kermit! Your sincerely & honest reply it's amazing!!!! I love it!!!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tweaking question >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:19:09 -0500 > >Hi Bob! > > > This is a question for list members who are not solder-gun shy. > > Based on experience from tweaking tuners, CD players and amps, here is > > what I believe would make audible improvement to Nak decks as well: > > > > 1. IEC 320 connector to allow use of shielded power cables > > >Good idea. It reduces induction of mains frequency to adjacent audio >cables. > > > (alternativelly direct soldering of shielded cable with draining wire) > > >Bad idea from safety standpoint. > > > 2. Replace inside wiring with shielded silver teflon wiring. > > >Waste of money...any good console wiring will do, like Mogami, Belden >"Brilliance" or Canare, in that order. Save your money for blank cassettes. > > > 3. Resonance control of the case and bonnet and transport mechanism. > > Various materials to kill different frequences. > > >Little gain, if any, for the effort. Resonance isn't the issue with a >cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the things that obviously >rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and this benefits only the >listening environment at that, not the deck. Save your money for blank >cassettes. > > > 4. Vibrapod instead of stock feet > > >Possible, but wait on this; it's more of an affectation than a real >improvement. Placebo effect is at work with tweaks like these, except for >their use on turntables. Save your money for blank cassettes. > > > 5. Hexfreds on power supply. > > >EXCELLENT idea! Caution: you may have to adjust the power supply afterward. >Sometimes they run higher voltages with the more efficient HEXFRED diodes. > > > 6. Adding additional capacitors to power supply (I do not know the > > value yet) > > >The deck's audio electronics already have excellent power supply ripple >rejection and you'll little or gain nothing for the effort. Save your money >for blank cassettes. > > > 7. Copper shielding > > >Yes! Very good idea! RFI can increase modulation distortion in any audio >gear. > > > 8. Quality RCA connectors > > >I'm not a big believer in these overpriced connectors like WBT and >Bocchino. A good Deltron, Neutrik or Switchcraft is perfectly fine. Again, >placebo effect is at work with tweaks like these. > >IF your original RCA jacks are oxidized, go ahead. Otherwise, don't sweat >it unless you simply want the image and snob appeal that a high-end RCA >jack projects. Save your money for blank cassettes. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 05:43:18 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:43:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shalom Colin! Exactly...I will do the same as you will!!!! ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... >Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:56:42 -0000 > >Hi Alex > >Isn't it strange how we guys come to love and cherish our HI FI Gear? Why >is that? After all they are just machines and electronics! I once told my >partner that in the event of a house fire, I would bring out the Hi Fi >first >and then "maybe" go back for her! Her reply was that she would bring out >the credit cards and my insurance policies first, then go back for the dog! >and let me fry!!! > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 29 January 2005 20:13 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > >Shalom Colin! > >You ARE NOT alone, who loves Linn's LP-12! Here in Israel I have my best >"Audiophile" friend, who stick/love all Naim's gear minus speaker that own >a >ProAc 3.8 and the last LP table fitted with Naim's Aro/Troika/Argmadon >external power supply...AND don't want to listen from nobody of >"Improving"...his in love LP-12 with something else...! It's only as a >example!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:52:56 -0000 > > > >Ive never seen on of these, didnt even know they existed!! but owning a > >large record collection, If I had known, would have probably aquired one. > >I > >do have a few records with off-centre holes and my way around this is to > >place a spare platter on my Linn which has the spindle removed andsticky > >silicon mat on it, I then centre the record using a small laser. > >I think when it comes to turntables though the less added the better! > >Simple seems to have been the keyword to a successful turntable. Proven >by > >the famous Linn I think ? Mine is one of the originals, God knows how >old > >it is! Its had new bearings Motors and belts. The only extra was an > >external power supply, and that was taken off after only a few months >use! > >When it comes down to it Nak made this beast because they believed there > >was > >a market for it! and in the hope that thy would make some money from its > >sales. If you love it Great! if you hate it Great! Turntable arm > >cartridge combinations are probably the most individual Hi Fi component > >there is! we love some, we hate others! I opted for the Linn and have > >never really wanted to replace it. Mind you, If I was offered the Nak > >beast > >I would jump in feet first! Just for the hell of it! > > > >By the way, did it actually work? > > > >Colin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JVB/RHG [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] > > Sent: 27 January 2005 19:01 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. More specifically, why so much who-haw about > >developing a turntable that would correct an off-center-spindle hole, >when > >that was rarely an issue with better vinyl??? > > > > Randall > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Drangon... > > > > > > Ironically Kerm, the two brands you gave seem to be headed the same > >way..Linn and Nakamichi are on the lifestyle systems track, made famous >by > >B > >and O then Bose followed by Revox. I think eventually most companies are > >going to go this way, aiming for either the higher or lower end of the > >market. > > B > > > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > Hi Randall, > > > > JVB/RHG wrote: > > > I have had lots of vinyl in my day, and still do (play it on an > >old > >Sony > > > Biotracer). Seldom did I have a problem with the spindle hole > >being > > > "off center." > > > > > > Why do you suppose NAK spent so much Research and Development > >budget > >on > > > it, and then it was only offered for a couple of years? Was it > >about > > > making money more than about making sound??? > > > > The Nakamichi Dragon turntable came out at a time when sales of >LPs > > overall were declining. Unfortunately, no matter how good a >product > >is, > > or how enthusiastic a company believes in a product, if a company > >cannot > > make a profit off of it they are forced to quit making it at some > >point. > > For whatever reason, the Dragon turntable didn't gain the >popularity > > of other expensive but tacitly inferior turntables, like Rega's > > un! inpsired and overpriced Planar III (but the RB300 arm is > >excellent, > > although it lacks the sophistication and technoogy of the Dragon's > >arm). > > > > Dragon's Arm? Sounds like a pub for Nakamichiphiles. > > > > Also, perhaps Nakamichi didn't have the "brand recognition" to be > > regarded as an excellent maker of turntables, unlike Linn, for > >example, > > whose name is synonymous with turntables. When you say "Nakamichi" > >most > > buyers think "cassette." I've met persons who are surprised to >learn > > that Nakamichi made amplifiers, preamps and tuners in the 1970s >and > >Cd > > players in the 1990s because the association of their name with > > cassettes is so strong. > > > > N-Joy > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >==== > > Register your Nak tod! ay! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >==== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >==== > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Learn more. > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= > >== > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= > >== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= > >== > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Feb 1 06:52:39 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:52:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Message-ID: <41FF1927.5080607@woods-and-waters.com> Hello, fellow Nakkers! I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be purchased? Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. Thanks! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Feb 1 09:59:41 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:59:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question: NAD and B+W+ LX-5 Message-ID: Stephen!! I think I would enjoy your amp and speaker combo - the 320BEE NAD has quite decent current reserves and will be quite a good match for the efficient B+W floor standers. Those speakers do need a bit of space though. On the compressed sound on your 680ZX, make sure you're playing back with the same EQ as the recording was done with. Mind you, if you're liking the sound, that's no sin!! Dynamic compression is of course normal for the format - as far as I'm concerned, it's back to reality (if you're recording from CD), from digital's absurd +-100dB. While that is hugely entertaining, it's not a million miles from reality when judged against live music experiences. 55dB is more like it halfway back in a concert hall full of people. 70-75dB close to the front and only 90+dB with your head plugged into the soundboard. The LX-5 is one of the best straightforward three headers made during the competitive heyday of cassette. Enjoy your new system.. What is your turntable to be? Cheers, Marc >>> "Kermit V. Gray" 01/31/05 09:40AM >>> Hi Steve, The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it will not ring on shapr bass transients. My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience or reverb tails. N-Joy! Magnetize wrote: > Hi, > > Im new round these parts, just thought id say hello :) > > Ive had a 680ZX for a while that i use in my studio for recording - I love > its nice analogue tape compressed/saturated sound. > > Anyway, i thought it was about time that i made myself a reasonably decent > system in my home, at the moment its a dodgy collection of stuff ive > accumulated over the yrs. The start of this has just been a nice LX-5 that i > recently acquired, i want to set that up with a reasonably good amp & > speakers for the moment, with record deck & cd to follow later. >>From chatting to people & reading around i became interested in a NAD C320 > BEE amp and B&W DM602 S3 speakers. So im not talking big bucks here but > decent quality for the spend. > > Any opinions or suggestions? I obviously will be auditioning stuff so this > is just so i can have pointers. Hopefully im not off-topic here ;) > > Thx. > > Stephen. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From semplay at dircon.co.uk Tue Feb 1 13:10:08 2005 From: semplay at dircon.co.uk (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:10:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <20050131182255.45982.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Andre Yes these Sony Walkman Pro WM D6C's are available from time to time on Ebay and so are the Sony TC D5 pro Mk2 cassette recorders. The TC D5 Pro Mk2 has Dolby B but no Dolby C and I have often wondered if I could have that added-others might be much better able to shine some light on this area but for what it's worth I am impressed with this machine particularly. I like to be able to monitor the input on the analogue VU meters whereas the WM D6C has just 1 row of LED's which average out the peaks I believe. But this unit is nearly half the size of the TC D5 Pro and lacking a built in speaker for playback etc but I rarely need this. I dare say that the TC D5 Pro is my preferred machine as it has pro XLY mic inputs as well as phono line outputs etc. I might have one of these up for sale soon as I have 3 of them and kept one in reserve. Regards Jagtar Andre Richison31/01/2005 18:22arichison at yahoo.com > thanks, > I wanted to upgrade my walkman for sure!! > I had no idea if I could ever get a decent portable > walkman in these days and times, > are there any on ebay? > andre > --- Jagtar Semplay wrote: > >> The Sony Walkman Pro WM D6 is an excellent portable >> sound recording machine >> particularly when properly calibrated biased for >> certain tapes. The playback >> is very open and lucid probably due to the quality >> of the quartz locked >> transport system which has pitch control. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 13:17:06 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:17:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question Message-ID: Yes...my dear buddy Gra'...20 years earlier I hear this specific "First Issue" of the Sugden A-21, and was amazing...together with a Kef Concerto speaker system and a Denon CD-3300 player! Really I love it! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:55 -0000 > >Kermit > >Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B >variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the >ancient >original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess >of �1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the >new models, only cost around �125-�150 each - they are a superb bargain. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > > or reverb tails. > > > > N-Joy! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 14:44:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:44:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... In-Reply-To: <004e01c507d7$ff1bc420$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050201134458.28890.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, The cassettes were recorded in various music shops that dubbed songs from 78rpm discs. And most were other makes which saw almost daily use round the year for many years. Any reason to suspect that the azimuth may be out? B --- Nelson wrote: > It will ONLY help with recordings made on machines > where the azimuth was a > little bit out. If any of the recordings are dull, > because of their age, > get yourself a Pioneer CTS730S or CTS830S. Should > cost you about �150 on > eBay, I'd guess. (The 830 was �500 new.) Send me > a dull cassette and a > blank cassette and I'll dub one from my Pioneer to > my ZX-9, so you can see > how good is the Pioneer FLEX circuit at restoring > the sound from old/dull > cassettes. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 30 January 2005 16:50 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > Graham and the others, > > > > I have a question. I have about over a > > hundred cassettes which were recorded over a span > of > > 30 years and wish to archive them. I would like > modify > > one of my 680ZXs to a fully playback machine. > Would > > manually adjusting the PH azimuth help it anyway? > I am > > also considering removing the bias trap,plus > change in > > some components. Open to all valuable advice > please.. > > > > B > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > > If I had a Dragon cassette machine I'd still > keep my > > > Pioneer CTS830S for > > > those dull old recordings - adjustable azimuth > can't > > > bring them back to life > > > but the Pioneer can. > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > > Sent: 29 January 2005 16:26 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > > > > > > > > > > Still, the outstanding playback quality of the > > > Dragon > > > > will give you an edge over other machines... > > > > B > > > > --- Edward Noyes wrote: > > > > > > > > > To watch one of these turntabes in action is > to > > > > > realize that pretty much > > > > > all records are at least a little off > center. I > > > > > mean, I have probably > > > > > 1000 cassettes and only a few were recorded > with > > > the > > > > > azimuth noticably > > > > > off which means a Dragon would be of little > use > > > to > > > > > me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 13:12:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:12:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question Message-ID: Shalom Gra' It's truth...that my Dragon deck have the cassette holder/lid made with some damping material? As I can't hear any movement of the hubs when I put my hears just touching the Dragon's lid/cover or whatever is named! Marvelous...I like it very...very...much! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tweaking question >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:34 -0000 > >Kermit wrote: "Little gain, if any, for the effort. Resonance isn't the >issue with a >cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the things that obviously >rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and this benefits only the >listening environment at that, not the deck. Save your money for blank >cassettes." > >I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's an issue with my ZX-9 or my >Pioneer. However, I noticed when I was using my top loading Aiwa that >minute vibrations got through from the motor to the cassette shell. I >figured that if it was doing that to the shell those vibrations would be >transferring to affect the smooth passage of the tape itself. I therefore >placed a square of Sorbothane between the lid and the cassette, giving very >gentle pressure on the cassette. I am sure there was a SUBTLE difference >in >the quality of recording and playback - i.e. better clarity, as you'd >expect. > >I later heard that one manufacturer - I forget who - was using a similar >technique, also using Sorbothane. Moreover, Pioneer developed a method of >tilting the cassette for playback and record (it's featured in my CTS830S), >again supposedly to reduce resonance. Therefore, at least SOME of the >makers thought resonance was/is an issue and worth addressing. > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 1 16:19:30 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:19:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] walkmen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007801c50871$6d5c0140$cad64c51@oemcomputer> Mark wrote "But mini-disc is used sometimes by deadhead (Grateful Dead, Phil Leash etc) type concert goers and they share these discs amongst themselves. " Mmmm ... may be that explains why they're called "deadheads' ?? Grinham > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Feb 1 14:35:43 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:35:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] walkmen Message-ID: That's true Graham - never an i-Pod - I mean why stop there - it's a bit high-end - maybe we can master on a Rio and do final edits on a Yepp!!!! But mini-disc is used sometimes by deadhead (Grateful Dead, Phil Leash etc) type concert goers and they share these discs amongst themselves. Some years ago, Roxette performed in Santiago and their 2 x Panasonic DATs didn't run properly due to a power supply problem. The 2 back-up Nak Dragons recorded the whole concert flawlessly onto Sony Metal tape - I can't recall if it was ES or Metal Master. I won't say a purist wouldn't be able to tell because when I listen to the CD made from those tapes, it sparkles with detail and ambient information WAY better than their usual fare. The sort of thing that purists like!! Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/31/05 10:32PM >>> Well.... consider that the Michelle Shocked "Campfire Tapes" LP was recorded live onto a Sony Walkman Pro cassette machine (and just a few yards away from where Gerald lives ... ) Now, I've never heard of an records being recorded live onto an iPod or a Mini Disc ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 30 January 2005 20:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] walkmen (Sticks pale reedy arm in the air for attention) At the risk of being branded a heretic on this list, for a walkman scenario I can't imagine why anyone would bother with cassettes any more. (sidesteps well-aimed cassette case hurled by one of angry mob) If you use a format like AAC or AIFF to rip cassettes/LPs/CD's to digital, a hard-drive digital player (i.e. iPod) will sound almost as good as any walkman, weigh less, take up less room, not skip when you run (or, in my case, walk stiffly) and break less when you drop it. And you will drop it. Not to mention, of course, you never have to stop to change tapes. Sorry folks, but I think for pocket music, our venerable format simply can no longer compete. Let the flames begin (winces, and ducks), "anonymous" the DC2 and D6C? The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From c123666 at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 17:03:41 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] walkmen In-Reply-To: <007801c50871$6d5c0140$cad64c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I am sure they have been used but Minidics were almost universally shunned amongst the tapers whether they were dead tapers or other tapers. No compression, thank you! Went from cassette to DAT and never looked back. Many serious tapers are using a laptop with a mic preamp with A/D converter (Grace, lunatech, Edirol) to record shows and make 96khz files. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] walkmen Mark wrote "But mini-disc is used sometimes by deadhead (Grateful Dead, Phil Leash etc) type concert goers and they share these discs amongst themselves. " Mmmm ... may be that explains why they're called "deadheads' ?? Grinham > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 1 17:30:30 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:30:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... for Bala In-Reply-To: <20050201134458.28890.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008401c5087b$584bf620$cad64c51@oemcomputer> Hi Bala Two things spring to mind: 1 Azimuth Well, yeah. If the tapes were recorded in various music shops then they would have been done on different tape machines and probably not on a Nak. There is, therefore, every chance that the azimuth may have been set slightly differently to how it will be set for playback on your Nak. Thence, having adjustable azimuth on your playback machine (the Dragon is ideal here!) will help correct any off azi' recordings and get the best from what is on the tape. 2 78s .. But what is on the tape may not be 100%. In fact, it's almost 99% certain that it won't be. For one thing, if the tapes are old then the recordings may have faded. Moreover, if the 78s were played via a normal amplifier, without adjustable azimuth, then the phono stage would most probably played the recordsd back using RAA. Trouble is most 78s were NOT recorded at the RAA setting. Therefore, what was originally recorded on the t ape will be tonally wrong anyway. Ideally, you would play back those tapes using an equaliser that would match the eq' settings that were used when the 78s were recorded. However, a not quite so pergfect, but damn-near it anyway method to get around that would be to play back those tapes on a Pioneer with a FLEX circuit. As Mark said in an earlier post "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!!" (I couldn't have put it better!! I even got rid of a CR7 in favour of keeping my Pioneer CTS830S because the CR7 could not do as good a job as the Pioneer on old cassettes. You'll understand, I didn't have room for an extra 3rd cassette recorder in my permanent set-up as I already had the ZX-9.) Therefore, this FLEX circuit of the Pioneer would be virtually ideal for re-creating a dub of your old 78 rpm cassette recordings. As an a side: However, if you are handling 78 rpm records, you need an amp or phono stage that has adjustable Eq, settings. I have the Graham Slee "Jazz Club" phono stage, which is now use especially for this purpose. It covers most (not all) of the eq. settings that were used pre- RAA. You also need a record player that has variable speeds because a lot of the "78s" were not recorded at 78 rpm anyway but at speeds in excess or slower ... some of them well in excess of 80 rpm. Personally, I love some of the old 78s. Once you get past the cracking noises (which can be reduced anyway, if not completely eliminated if you are possessing a wad of cash and can afford some of those expensive digital filter systems!) many of those records reproduce not only very fine music but often very good recordings, too - often well beyond the capabilities of the equipment available at that time to reproduce them!! When you get the eq' replay setting right it;s amazing just how much that old tinny "gramophone" sounds suddenly resembles more closely the tones you get from a modern vinyl LP. It's a revelation. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 01 February 2005 13:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CT Dragon... > > > Hi Graham, > > The cassettes were recorded in various music > shops that dubbed songs from 78rpm discs. And most > were other makes which saw almost daily use round the > year for many years. Any reason to suspect that the > azimuth may be out? > B > From flifton at mac.com Tue Feb 1 19:41:29 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:41:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200502011204.j11C4JH0004322@zebra.naks.com> References: <200502011204.j11C4JH0004322@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Well, sure, that's recording. I'm not talking about recording, just playing back. The "Campfire tapes" are great, but I don't think I'd hold them up as stellar examples of high fidelity (and least they don't sound that way on my Nak running through my Luxman/Adcom system to KEF Q75's, granted not exactly a reference system). And still, though I speak from a position of almost complete ignorance, I'd be willing to bet that for ultra-compact recording, the mic(s) is(are) going to make more difference than the recorder. Fred On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:04 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Nelson > Date: January 31, 2005 12:32:58 PM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] walkmen > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Well.... consider that the Michelle Shocked "Campfire Tapes" LP was > recorded live onto a Sony Walkman Pro cassette machine (and just a few > yards away from where Gerald lives ... )  Now, I've never heard of an > records being recorded live onto an iPod or a Mini Disc ... >   > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 30 January 2005 20:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] walkmen > > (Sticks pale reedy arm in the air for attention) At the risk of being > branded a heretic on this list, for a walkman scenario I can't imagine > why anyone would bother with cassettes any more. (sidesteps well-aimed > cassette case hurled by one of angry mob) If you use a format like AAC > or AIFF to rip cassettes/LPs/CD's to digital, a hard-drive digital > player (i.e. iPod) will sound almost as good as any walkman, weigh > less, take up less room, not skip when you run (or, in my case, walk > stiffly) and break less when you drop it. And you will drop it. Not to > mention, of course, you never have to stop to change tapes. Sorry > folks, but I think for pocket music, our venerable format simply can > no longer compete. > > Let the flames begin (winces, and ducks), > > "anonymous" > > > the DC2 and D6C? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3329 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 1 20:13:24 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:13:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: <004601c507d4$0b566640$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I've always used a Sugden A21 (original) for my second system power and I can only agree that it is a superb little amp! Mine has gone for a total rebuild as it is showing its age and its "loosening up" a little! My repairer is superb in all respects bar one, he takes about four months minimum to do the job! Having no second system is a bind for me so I went out and got myself a bog standard Marantz PM 7200 to get me through the next few months. Its an OK amp nothing special at all, but as is my way I started to try to get a little more out of it. This amp is wired to allow Class A amplification, all be it at a much lower power output (20 each channel I think before it starts to slip back into AB) and surprisingly it turns into a sweet little amp. It is also equipped with a Processor loop. I am not quite sure where this is connected in the integrated amp but I decided to feed my NakZX7 directly in here. OK the only control is the output pot on the Nak, but I tell you by bypassing the preamp this little beauty burst into life! Its no Sugden A21 but its retail in the UK is a quarter of that of an A21. I do really enjoy its output. one drawback though! it gets hot, very, very hot! so if you try it, don't place your precious Nak on top of it! I have no real technical knowledge as such but I have a quite a few listening years behind me! I have never found a recommended loudspeaker I could live with! I went against all advice and got hold of a pair of Quad electrostatics, and slowly I fell in love with them. OK they are light at the bottom end and imaging and positioning leaves a little to be desired. also they cost an arm and a leg (even secondhand if in good nick) but they are oh so sweet! The Sugden isn't supposed to like them but I have never found a problem. I did blow a Linn Clout once by overloading the speakers (if you overload one of these speakers and the "crowbar" activates,it puts a short across the amp outputs! and saves the speakers but at the cost of the amp!) I do believe though. the only way to got your preferred speaker is go out and listen to as many as you can. Colin -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 31 January 2005 20:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question Kermit Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the ancient original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess of £1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the new models, only cost around £125-£150 each - they are a superb bargain. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > Hi Steve, > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > or reverb tails. > > N-Joy! > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Feb 1 20:45:12 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:45:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: <004601c507d4$0b566640$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> References: <004601c507d4$0b566640$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41FFDC48.1030108@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Kermit > > Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B > variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the ancient > original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess > of £1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the > new models, only cost around £125-£150 each - they are a superb bargain. > I will definitely try one of these. Thanks! In the meantime I'm looking for a Nakamichi 620 ... and I'm building myself a pair of new Williamson-style amps using Dynaco "reissue" output transformers, 6L6GC beam tetrode outputs, 6SL7 AF amp and phase splitter; and 6SN7 drivers. Fun! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From britri at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 23:16:22 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:16:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Cassette Deck 1 issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FFFFB6.4070902@comcast.net> Mark Hugo wrote: >Hi Gerald, > >Kannan's advise is as solid as ever - in fact it was his words of >encouragement when I got my first Nak - a Cassette Deck One. I assure >you, it is a beautiful machine which turns in a magnificent performance. > I read somewhere that styling for the whole series was by Issy Miyage >(sp) and assure you, it grows on you. A capstan motor should not be >difficult to replace as Kannan says. Sound is rock steady, rich, >powerful and detailed. As usual with this high-end deck, performance >really snaps into focus with top type II formulae and demanding metals. >Everything you could expect from a Nak!! Buy without hesitation. > >Best wishes, > >Marc > > > >>>>kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com 01/30/05 04:47PM >>> >>>> >>>> >Hi gerald > I miss your fantastic humour !!! >Cassette Deck 1 has these Capstan motors not necessarily they would >fail immediately but it can as per our earlier naktalk posts mainly from >Stephen. >Also later machines themselves came out with better motors as Nak had >to face huge failures immediately after sale. Probably if you look for >later series machines it should give no problem. > But I have seen 3 Cassette deck 1's of Robert kent and two more of >aother naktalker who is a silent one on this list. These are good ones >as any 3 head naks missing slight sonic beauty of older Naks neverthless >has fantastic Azimuth adjust feature - very handy indeed. It records >well - as good as any other Nak. Playback sound may be due to the Sony >Dolby chip on its path. Your Rx 303 is a two head machine and any >cassette recorded would sound better on any 3 head naks. So cassette >deck 1 is equally good source to play tapes as it has azimuth alignment >incase of slight mismatch between this and RX 303. > >I would keep one of this to play tapes alone since its going rate on >ebay is better than many decks of the same calibre. You can always get >one of these capstan motors from other three/ two head machines of >BX/CR/DR series anytime in case of failure. Only advice is to keep the >machine switched off to keep the Castan motor life longer. Yeah Cassette >Deck unlike CR 3A, capstan motor will be on all the times - another >reason for its failure it seems. >Hope this helps >kannan > > > >"Gerald G." wrote: >Greetings NAK'ers(no not the North American Kant Society,Hah!).I am >trying to find out the best late model deck that is 3 head,and that >features the best sonic compromise Between cost and reliability.I >don't >want the RX-505,because I'm always concerned about the Auto reverse on >my 303 "flipping out" someday.The Dragon is a mammal best left to the >technichians i think,although I have heard of some of youre Dragons >going along just ducky.I was going to probably try and obtain a >cassette >deck 1,but first i have a coule of questions/concerns. A). I have >heard >of an Issue with the "1"- a cheap mitsubishi moter prone to >failure.Can >anyone tell me anything about that? B).would the recordings from my >303 >sound ok on the Cassette deck 1?what about recordings from other decks >and/or prerecorded Tapes? Any suggestions for what Nak to get-I lost a >bid on another 303 from e-bay,but i think i would rather get a 505 >anyway if I decide to go that route.Anyone have anything that they >wanna >off that is in this Baliwick? > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Our buddy Stephen Sank really liked this deck, but did not like the sankyo transport. I believe it was the last hi end deck made and have had 1 since it came out. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 00:16:52 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:16:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] rm200 In-Reply-To: <00b701c508af$d918fe40$28f3fea9@custom> Message-ID: <20050201231652.12051.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> Yup. It's the same connector, pin function and electrical signal levels for the 1000ZXL as it is with many other decks like the 580, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. Check out my Nak remote page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html The RM-300 was made for the 700ZXL, 1000ZXL and 1000ZXL Limited and are basically a RM-200 with tape counter display that comes across on a different connector on the back of the deck. Scott J. --- David wrote: > > Just curious, would I be able to use this to make a remote for a > 1000ZXL? > It seems that applying a ground to any of the pins is what > activates the > function. > > Dave > daves at intergate.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 05 00:18 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] rm200 > > I don't know how the 7 got on the end of the URL. The correct URL > is: > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > or you can use the original url and remove the trailing "7" > > SJ > > > --- Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Here Colin, > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif7 > > > > Even though it says MR-2, it is basically for all decks that use > > the > > RM-200/RM-580 > > > > SJ > > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > > > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit and plug > > > connections > > > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the plug and about > 2 > > m > > > of the > > > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the original!) > but > > > dont know > > > how to wire it together. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Colin > > > > > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a pain in the > > Ass, > > > from my > > > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From britri at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 23:08:08 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:08:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE; Alternatives to Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <20050131182255.45982.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050131182255.45982.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FFFDC8.5030702@comcast.net> Andre Richison wrote: >thanks, >I wanted to upgrade my walkman for sure!! >I had no idea if I could ever get a decent portable >walkman in these days and times, >are there any on ebay? >andre >--- Jagtar Semplay wrote: > > > >>The Sony Walkman Pro WM D6 is an excellent portable >>sound recording machine >>particularly when properly calibrated biased for >>certain tapes. The playback >>is very open and lucid probably due to the quality >>of the quartz locked >>transport system which has pitch control. >> >>I have one these machines set up for TDK SA and MA >>with excellent results >>using certain Sennheiser MKH series of microphones >>although the line in and >>line out allows it to be used as a stand alone >>decent cassette deck. >> >>Another unit although larger ( about A5 size) is the >>Sony TC D5 Pro Mk2 >>which is a superb portable "broadcast standard" >>cassette recorder with XLR >>mic inputs and the body is of metal construction. I >>love these units so >>bought 3 in almost new and unused condition. They >>have 2 analogue vu meters >>with a backlight and run from either 2xD size >>batteries or a plug in power >>supply same as the WM D6's. Both Sony machines are >>excellent and in my >>experience can challenge high end home based >>cassette decks but not quite >>as good as the Nakamichi's. I used to have a >>Nakamichi DT 550 which was good >>but not truly portable whereas the Sony TC D5 Pro >>Mk2 is a quarter in size >>and dare I say it "a good alternative"- there, I've >>said it and I'm just >>waiting for a thunderbolt any second. >> >>Regards >>Jag >> >> >>winnie pooh29/01/2005 >>23:07winniepoohlove at hotmail.com >> >> >> >>>>yo yo Dawgs..Sup?,This question is to ask anyone >>>> >>>> >>if they know about the >> >> >>>>Sony WMd-6 (not totaly sure if i got the model >>>> >>>> >>number correct)Small >> >> >>>>portable cassete player(recorder),that actually >>>> >>>> >>made Sterophiles list of >> >> >>>>reccomended components,in the c or d category I >>>> >>>> >>believe.I think that >> >> >>>>brand new it was pretty expensive,and I am on the >>>> >>>> >>prowl for one,although >> >> >>>>not overly optimistic about finding one in >>>> >>>> >>excellent condition,as I'm >> >> >>>>guessing most of these little machines were >>>> >>>> >>"hardly" used, as the old >> >> >>>>ad goes.. >>>> >>>> >>>You must be referring to the Sony Professional >>> >>> >>WMD6C walkman. It's bigger >> >> >>>than normal Walkmans and since it is a >>> >>> >>professional model, was used by the >> >> >>>likes of reporters etc. before DAT and hard disk >>> >>> >>recorders came in.I >> >> >>>remember seeing it offerred for sale by Sony >>> >>> >>Europe as a current item one >> >> >>>year ago, not sure if it still is. You are right >>> >>> >>that it is still pretty >> >> >>>expensive if you can find a decent one on Ebay and >>> >>> >>most of them will have >> >> >>>had a full working life............ If you don't >>> >>> >>need the recording >> >> >>>function, why not consider getting the WMDC2 >>> >>> >>walkman instead? Or the WMDC3 >> >> >>>which does have recording too and is inbetween the >>> >>> >>DC2 and D6C? >> >> >>> >>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> Register your Nak today! >>> >>> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>> >>> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>-- >> >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >===== >I am NOW switching to my new email account. >Please write me at: > >TheAndre at gmail.com > >Andre Richison > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 2 00:16:30 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:16:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CLICK BUSTER - KERMIT In-Reply-To: <20050201134458.28890.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00db01c508b4$1016eac0$cad64c51@oemcomputer> Kermit How y'doing with your home brew SAE Impulse 5000 replacement? Gra' > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 04:08:49 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:08:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050202030849.38705.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> I think Alex it goes to the wonderful resonance control measures taken by Nak. On my Sony MD deck, the underside of the top cover is sprayed with some greyish brown material. The cover doesnt have a metallic ring when I knock it. The bottom plate is a sandwich of steel, copper and more steel, itself weighing almost 2 kg! To do resonance control, as Kermit suggested, you can use a product that Sonic Frontiers used to sell. Its called soundcoat and used to dampen chassis. I think those in US/Canada may be able to get it easily. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Gra' > > It's truth...that my Dragon deck have the cassette > holder/lid made with some > damping material? > As I can't hear any movement of the hubs when I put > my hears just touching > the Dragon's lid/cover or whatever is named! > Marvelous...I like it > very...very...much! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tweaking question > >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:34 -0000 > > > >Kermit wrote: "Little gain, if any, for the effort. > Resonance isn't the > >issue with a > >cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the > things that obviously > >rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and > this benefits only the > >listening environment at that, not the deck. Save > your money for blank > >cassettes." > > > >I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's an > issue with my ZX-9 or my > >Pioneer. However, I noticed when I was using my > top loading Aiwa that > >minute vibrations got through from the motor to the > cassette shell. I > >figured that if it was doing that to the shell > those vibrations would be > >transferring to affect the smooth passage of the > tape itself. I therefore > >placed a square of Sorbothane between the lid and > the cassette, giving very > >gentle pressure on the cassette. I am sure there > was a SUBTLE difference > >in > >the quality of recording and playback - i.e. better > clarity, as you'd > >expect. > > > >I later heard that one manufacturer - I forget who > - was using a similar > >technique, also using Sorbothane. Moreover, > Pioneer developed a method of > >tilting the cassette for playback and record (it's > featured in my CTS830S), > >again supposedly to reduce resonance. Therefore, > at least SOME of the > >makers thought resonance was/is an issue and worth > addressing. > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 04:16:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:16:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] walkmen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050202031603.89090.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, even here, mini discs are used by local bands, and Radio Singapore. I initially though they only used the minidiscs for commercials but they also recorded entire programs with the voice overs! I was there to see one such program made. Two weeks later, that disc was aired. Seriously it sounded good! They used a TASCAM minidisc player. I think minidiscs sound better, and retain more spatial information thanks to the really advanced coding methods. MP3s were developed for vcd playback and took on from there. B --- Mark Hugo wrote: > That's true Graham - never an i-Pod - I mean why > stop there - it's a bit > high-end - maybe we can master on a Rio and do final > edits on a Yepp!!!! > > > But mini-disc is used sometimes by deadhead > (Grateful Dead, Phil Leash > etc) type concert goers and they share these discs > amongst themselves. > Some years ago, Roxette performed in Santiago and > their 2 x Panasonic > DATs didn't run properly due to a power supply > problem. The 2 back-up > Nak Dragons recorded the whole concert flawlessly > onto Sony Metal tape - > I can't recall if it was ES or Metal Master. I > won't say a purist > wouldn't be able to tell because when I listen to > the CD made from those > tapes, it sparkles with detail and ambient > information WAY better than > their usual fare. The sort of thing that purists > like!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/31/05 10:32PM > >>> > Well.... consider that the Michelle Shocked > "Campfire Tapes" LP was > recorded > live onto a Sony Walkman Pro cassette machine (and > just a few yards > away > from where Gerald lives ... ) Now, I've never heard > of an records > being > recorded live onto an iPod or a Mini Disc ... > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf > Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 30 January 2005 20:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] walkmen > > > (Sticks pale reedy arm in the air for attention) > At the risk of > being > branded a heretic on this list, for a walkman > scenario I can't imagine > why > anyone would bother with cassettes any more. > (sidesteps well-aimed > cassette > case hurled by one of angry mob) If you use a format > like AAC or AIFF > to rip > cassettes/LPs/CD's to digital, a hard-drive digital > player (i.e. iPod) > will > sound almost as good as any walkman, weigh less, > take up less room, not > skip > when you run (or, in my case, walk stiffly) and > break less when you > drop it. > And you will drop it. Not to mention, of course, you > never have to stop > to > change tapes. Sorry folks, but I think for pocket > music, our venerable > format simply can no longer compete. > > Let the flames begin (winces, and ducks), > > "anonymous" > > > the DC2 and D6C? > > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From jazzao at iprimus.com.au Wed Feb 2 05:51:31 2005 From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au (jazzao at iprimus.com.au) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:51:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone want a Nak 700ZXE (upgraded by Stephen Sank) Message-ID: <41DF2B88000154ED@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au> Hello to All, Its a sad day for me to post this message but I am hoping that I can recoup some money in this debacle. I've got a 700ZXE which I sent to Stephen Sank in January 2004 for modification, I paid him $600 upfront for the additional work but alas I have not been able to get the unit back. I have already spent too much on the deck and because I needed to make recordings early this year I have been forced to purchase a ZX9. After 3 phone messages and 3 additional emails this year with no reply I have decided to accept that this is now a lost cause. If you are in the US and able to communicate with Stephen Sank directly or pick it up from him then I am offering my 700ZXE for sale. He might see you guys as better customers as he certainly does not see me as a good enough customer to even warrant a reply. There were a number of members who were critical of my post in December when I wanted to know if anyone could be of help to me in trying to recover the unit. And since I would still like to still be seen as part of the Naks family I am not going to give a value. If you are able to see the unit in New Mexico or talk to Stephen about the unit you can make an offer, and i hope you keep in mind the circumstances that I am in. I have sent Stephen Sank an email asking if he would be able to refund what I have paid him for the work and he can keep my deck so he can sell it to recouped his time and I will pick up the losses. I also informed him that I will be also posting this message. Thank you for allowing me to post this. Best Regards to all Alan From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Feb 1 20:47:36 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:47:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: <005a01c507da$4866f8a0$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> References: <005a01c507da$4866f8a0$62eb4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41FFDCD8.4060000@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Kermit wrote: "Little gain, if any, for the effort. Resonance isn't the > issue with a > cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the things that obviously > rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and this benefits only the > listening environment at that, not the deck. Save your money for blank > cassettes." > > I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's an issue with my ZX-9 or my > Pioneer. However, I noticed when I was using my top loading Aiwa that > minute vibrations got through from the motor to the cassette shell. I > figured that if it was doing that to the shell those vibrations would be > transferring to affect the smooth passage of the tape itself. I therefore > placed a square of Sorbothane between the lid and the cassette, giving very > gentle pressure on the cassette. I am sure there was a SUBTLE difference in > the quality of recording and playback - i.e. better clarity, as you'd > expect. Good point. If the motor is transmitting vibration to the cassette compartment then damping is a good idea. When I replied, I was thinking about damping the deck's cabinet from the outside noises of life and music, which are one and the same for me. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Feb 1 20:39:10 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:39:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: <004f01c50813$77c7c9b0$b900a8c0@web> References: <200501311942.j0VJfrH2001269@zebra.naks.com> <004f01c50813$77c7c9b0$b900a8c0@web> Message-ID: <41FFDADE.5090702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi! Ah, go on, grab a soldering iron and burn down the house! Just joking! I just about did when I was learning soldering in high school. My then girlfreind called just as I had plugged it in, and.... If you can find a Nakamichi 620, grab it! Wonderful, warm sound yet detailed and open, better than most overpriced "audiophile" amps of today. The Zen amps come to mind as an example. Frankly, most of the 1970s amps made by Nakamichi, Kenwood (I enjoy my 1977 vintage Kenwood KA-6100 immensely), Quad, Yamaha, Marantz, Sansui, Harmo-Kardon, McIntosh, Linn, Naim, Accuphase, SAE, Acostic Research, Southwest Technical Products, Crown, Dual, Revox, Creek, and many others are far better than the bulk of today's offerings. There was a brief period, from about 1972 to 1980, when you could buy truly wonderful sound without having to spend a great deal of money. Those days are gone! Even if you spend a great deal of money you often have mediocre sound. Think Bang & Olufsen, alas, as a prime example. Three other good 1980s and 1990s vintage brands worth considering are B&K (but not their new gear! -- and not to be confused with B&K test equipment or B&K microphones), NAD and Creek. NAD's current amps are good but their clipping "limiter" makes them sound soft and lacking in transient detail, to my ears. N-Joy! Magnetize wrote: >>The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as >>well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most >>commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the >>redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it >>will not ring on shapr bass transients. >> >>My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson >>using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or >>Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. >> >>As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to >>find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. >>Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste >>and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown >>accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience >>or reverb tails. >> >>N-Joy! > > > I doubt ill be investing in a soldering iron just yet but thanks a lot of > your very informative views :) > > Btw, Nakamichi amps.....any suggestions? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 09:56:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:56:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: <41FFDC48.1030108@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050202085625.61138.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, this combination is making the hair on my ears stand up!! Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > Kermit > > > > Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure > Class A, not the A/B > > variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) > or even one of the ancient > > original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. > New they cost in excess > > of �1k. The original, which I gather are not so > very much worse than the > > new models, only cost around �125-�150 each - they > are a superb bargain. > > > > I will definitely try one of these. Thanks! > > In the meantime I'm looking for a Nakamichi 620 ... > and I'm building > myself a pair of new Williamson-style amps using > Dynaco "reissue" output > transformers, 6L6GC beam tetrode outputs, 6SL7 AF > amp and phase > splitter; and 6SN7 drivers. Fun! > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sie28873 at lycos.com Wed Feb 2 10:02:10 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:02:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips Message-ID: <20050202090210.C831186B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> I decided I would go the route of repairing my BX300 through cannabalising a MR-1 only because it may become available. Ideally, a kaput BX300 would be more ideal as an exact match for spares. In what way is the MR-1 identical to the BX300 or should I ask where should I expect them to defer mechanically and electrically aside from cosmetics? Robert I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a MR-1 (basically the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as well. A couple years ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept getting, Oh, it's back ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a price though, $23.01. That was back in May of 2002 when Patty was there. I tried from March to May and then gave up. I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. SJ --- Robert Sie wrote: > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it has > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful these > chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say no. Sounds like I > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other or do in fact have a source for > them? > Robert -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From alex.cozac at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 10:46:49 2005 From: alex.cozac at gmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:46:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] One of my knowledgeable friends...enter to Hi Fi marketplace! 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From forums at magnetize.biz Wed Feb 2 11:01:48 2005 From: forums at magnetize.biz (forums at magnetize.biz) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:01:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question: NAD and B+W+ LX-5 In-Reply-To: <200502020825.j128OXH2007570@zebra.naks.com> References: <200502020825.j128OXH2007570@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <1107338508.4200a50c9eb28@205.234.140.67> Thx for the info Marc. My deck at the moment is a Technics 1210 & itll have to do me for a while. Any recommendations for decks would be welcome too! Also, are Nak amps worth looking at???? Stephen. > I think I would enjoy your amp and speaker combo - the 320BEE NAD has > quite decent current reserves and will be quite a good match for the > efficient B+W floor standers. Those speakers do need a bit of space > though. > > On the compressed sound on your 680ZX, make sure you're playing back > with the same EQ as the recording was done with. Mind you, if you're > liking the sound, that's no sin!! Dynamic compression is of course > normal for the format - as far as I'm concerned, it's back to reality > (if you're recording from CD), from digital's absurd +-100dB. While > that is hugely entertaining, it's not a million miles from reality when > judged against live music experiences. 55dB is more like it halfway > back in a concert hall full of people. 70-75dB close to the front and > only 90+dB with your head plugged into the soundboard. > > The LX-5 is one of the best straightforward three headers made during > the competitive heyday of cassette. > > Enjoy your new system.. What is your turntable to be? > > Cheers, > > Marc From alex.cozac at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 11:04:37 2005 From: alex.cozac at gmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:04:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Oritek X-1 Interconnect Cables on 10 Audio Message-ID: <4200A5B5.5040408@gmail.com> http://www.10audio.com/Oritek_X-1.htm The test of his product! Regards, ALEX! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 11:34:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:34:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question Message-ID: Dear Bala! Thanks...however I will leave my lovely Dragon as it...no tweak at all. Sounds so superb for me that satisfied me!!! Regards, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tweaking question >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:08:49 -0800 (PST) > >I think Alex it goes to the wonderful resonance >control measures taken by Nak. On my Sony MD deck, the >underside of the top cover is sprayed with some >greyish brown material. The cover doesnt have a >metallic ring when I knock it. The bottom plate is a >sandwich of steel, copper and more steel, itself >weighing almost 2 kg! To do resonance control, as >Kermit suggested, you can use a product that Sonic >Frontiers used to sell. Its called soundcoat and used >to dampen chassis. I think those in US/Canada may be >able to get it easily. > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > It's truth...that my Dragon deck have the cassette > > holder/lid made with some > > damping material? > > As I can't hear any movement of the hubs when I put > > my hears just touching > > the Dragon's lid/cover or whatever is named! > > Marvelous...I like it > > very...very...much! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tweaking question > > >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:34 -0000 > > > > > >Kermit wrote: "Little gain, if any, for the effort. > > Resonance isn't the > > >issue with a > > >cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only the > > things that obviously > > >rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and > > this benefits only the > > >listening environment at that, not the deck. Save > > your money for blank > > >cassettes." > > > > > >I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's an > > issue with my ZX-9 or my > > >Pioneer. However, I noticed when I was using my > > top loading Aiwa that > > >minute vibrations got through from the motor to the > > cassette shell. I > > >figured that if it was doing that to the shell > > those vibrations would be > > >transferring to affect the smooth passage of the > > tape itself. I therefore > > >placed a square of Sorbothane between the lid and > > the cassette, giving very > > >gentle pressure on the cassette. I am sure there > > was a SUBTLE difference > > >in > > >the quality of recording and playback - i.e. better > > clarity, as you'd > > >expect. > > > > > >I later heard that one manufacturer - I forget who > > - was using a similar > > >technique, also using Sorbothane. Moreover, > > Pioneer developed a method of > > >tilting the cassette for playback and record (it's > > featured in my CTS830S), > > >again supposedly to reduce resonance. Therefore, > > at least SOME of the > > >makers thought resonance was/is an issue and worth > > addressing. > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get > > it now! > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 11:40:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:40:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] rm200 Message-ID: I must add something also!!! My Tri-Tracer 1000 remote controller was capable to function in my once owned 1000ZXL and also to my presently Dragon...so as I see...any remote can me use with "Almost"...any Nak deck! Something superb!!! at least for play-stop.back-forward & pause! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] rm200 >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:16:52 -0800 (PST) > >Yup. It's the same connector, pin function and electrical signal >levels for the 1000ZXL as it is with many other decks like the 580, >581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, >CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. > >Check out my Nak remote page. > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html > >The RM-300 was made for the 700ZXL, 1000ZXL and 1000ZXL Limited and >are basically a RM-200 with tape counter display that comes across on >a different connector on the back of the deck. > >Scott J. > >--- David wrote: > > > > > Just curious, would I be able to use this to make a remote for a > > 1000ZXL? > > It seems that applying a ground to any of the pins is what > > activates the > > function. > > > > Dave > > daves at intergate.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 05 00:18 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] rm200 > > > > I don't know how the 7 got on the end of the URL. The correct URL > > is: > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > or you can use the original url and remove the trailing "7" > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Here Colin, > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif7 > > > > > > Even though it says MR-2, it is basically for all decks that use > > > the > > > RM-200/RM-580 > > > > > > SJ > > > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > > > > > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit and plug > > > > connections > > > > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the plug and about > > 2 > > > m > > > > of the > > > > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the original!) > > but > > > > dont know > > > > how to wire it together. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a pain in the > > > Ass, > > > > from my > > > > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >http://my.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 11:48:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:48:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question Message-ID: Shalom Colin! 30 years ago, I own a pair of Quad ESL-57 as named today brand new at that years, black finish..and was use with my legendary for more of 40 years in continuously use Marantz 7c & 8b, they love each one...my ESL-57 was the right spealer for that Marantz legacy system...When i got married...my wife don't like how "Ugly"...were so I sold earning an a excellent profit (The Quads...only), after 10 years more the Marantz go to an a Isreali collector with a good price! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:13:24 -0000 > >I've always used a Sugden A21 (original) for my second system power and I >can only agree that it is a superb little amp! Mine has gone for a total >rebuild as it is showing its age and its "loosening up" a little! My >repairer is superb in all respects bar one, he takes about four months >minimum to do the job! Having no second system is a bind for me so I went >out and got myself a bog standard Marantz PM 7200 to get me through the >next few months. Its an OK amp nothing special at all, but as is my way I >started to try to get a little more out of it. This amp is wired to allow >Class A amplification, all be it at a much lower power output (20 each >channel I think before it starts to slip back into AB) and surprisingly it >turns into a sweet little amp. It is also equipped with a Processor loop. >I am not quite sure where this is connected in the integrated amp but I >decided to feed my NakZX7 directly in here. OK the only control is the >output pot on the Nak, but I tell you by bypassing the preamp this little >beauty burst into life! Its no Sugden A21 but its retail in the UK is a >quarter of that of an A21. I do really enjoy its output. one drawback >though! it gets hot, very, very hot! so if you try it, don't place your >precious Nak on top of it! I have no real technical knowledge as such but >I >have a quite a few listening years behind me! I have never found a >recommended loudspeaker I could live with! I went against all advice and >got hold of a pair of Quad electrostatics, and slowly I fell in love with >them. OK they are light at the bottom end and imaging and positioning >leaves a little to be desired. also they cost an arm and a leg (even >secondhand if in good nick) but they are oh so sweet! The Sugden isn't >supposed to like them but I have never found a problem. I did blow a Linn >Clout once by overloading the speakers (if you overload one of these >speakers and the "crowbar" activates,it puts a short across the amp >outputs! >and saves the speakers but at the cost of the amp!) I do believe though. >the only way to got your preferred speaker is go out and listen to as many >as you can. > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: 31 January 2005 20:33 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > >Kermit > >Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B >variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the >ancient >original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess >of �1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the >new models, only cost around �125-�150 each - they are a superb bargain. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > > or reverb tails. > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 2 11:57:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:57:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c50915$f5786b00$bcd7883e@oemcomputer> Hi Fred Are you listening to the "Campfire tapes" FROM a tape or from vinyl? I have it on vinyl. Played through OL modified/re-wired RB300, DNM Reca cartridge off an Oracle Delphi, it may not be a pristine audiophile recording but, when played off vinyl, I feel it holds its head up along side (and above some) mainstream vinyl recorded at that time. I'd agree, the mic's will probably make a lot of difference. I'll have to chekc the record sleeve - it may say what mic was used. Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 01 February 2005 18:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 Well, sure, that's recording. I'm not talking about recording, just playing back. The "Campfire tapes" are great, but I don't think I'd hold them up as stellar examples of high fidelity (and least they don't sound that way on my Nak running through my Luxman/Adcom system to KEF Q75's, granted not exactly a reference system). And still, though I speak from a position of almost complete ignorance, I'd be willing to bet that for ultra-compact recording, the mic(s) is(are) going to make more difference than the recorder. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 15:53:50 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:53:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tweaking question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050202145350.90188.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> I think the dragon is certainly tweaked the best. so just enjoy :) Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Bala! > > Thanks...however I will leave my lovely Dragon as > it...no tweak at all. > Sounds so superb for me that satisfied me!!! > > Regards, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tweaking question > >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:08:49 -0800 (PST) > > > >I think Alex it goes to the wonderful resonance > >control measures taken by Nak. On my Sony MD deck, > the > >underside of the top cover is sprayed with some > >greyish brown material. The cover doesnt have a > >metallic ring when I knock it. The bottom plate is > a > >sandwich of steel, copper and more steel, itself > >weighing almost 2 kg! To do resonance control, as > >Kermit suggested, you can use a product that Sonic > >Frontiers used to sell. Its called soundcoat and > used > >to dampen chassis. I think those in US/Canada may > be > >able to get it easily. > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > > > It's truth...that my Dragon deck have the > cassette > > > holder/lid made with some > > > damping material? > > > As I can't hear any movement of the hubs when I > put > > > my hears just touching > > > the Dragon's lid/cover or whatever is named! > > > Marvelous...I like it > > > very...very...much! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tweaking question > > > >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:34 -0000 > > > > > > > >Kermit wrote: "Little gain, if any, for the > effort. > > > Resonance isn't the > > > >issue with a > > > >cassette deck, unlike a turntable. Damp only > the > > > things that obviously > > > >rattle when you've cranked the volume up -- and > > > this benefits only the > > > >listening environment at that, not the deck. > Save > > > your money for blank > > > >cassettes." > > > > > > > >I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's an > > > issue with my ZX-9 or my > > > >Pioneer. However, I noticed when I was using > my > > > top loading Aiwa that > > > >minute vibrations got through from the motor to > the > > > cassette shell. I > > > >figured that if it was doing that to the shell > > > those vibrations would be > > > >transferring to affect the smooth passage of > the > > > tape itself. I therefore > > > >placed a square of Sorbothane between the lid > and > > > the cassette, giving very > > > >gentle pressure on the cassette. I am sure > there > > > was a SUBTLE difference > > > >in > > > >the quality of recording and playback - i.e. > better > > > clarity, as you'd > > > >expect. > > > > > > > >I later heard that one manufacturer - I forget > who > > > - was using a similar > > > >technique, also using Sorbothane. Moreover, > > > Pioneer developed a method of > > > >tilting the cassette for playback and record > (it's > > > featured in my CTS830S), > > > >again supposedly to reduce resonance. > Therefore, > > > at least SOME of the > > > >makers thought resonance was/is an issue and > worth > > > addressing. > > > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - > get > > > it now! > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >All your favorites on one personal page � Try My > Yahoo! > >http://my.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Feb 2 16:56:10 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:56:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question Message-ID: <20050202155610.BPNB17036.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Alex, I see you have learned the valuation of a happy wife over a set of Quads. Both can bring enjoyment but only ONE can bring misery-on-demand! > > From: "Alex Cozac" > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 05:48:39 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > Shalom Colin! > > 30 years ago, I own a pair of Quad ESL-57 as named today brand new at that > years, black finish..and was use with my legendary for more of 40 years in > continuously use Marantz 7c & 8b, they love each one...my ESL-57 was the > right spealer for that Marantz legacy system...When i got married...my wife > don't like how "Ugly"...were so I sold earning an a excellent profit (The > Quads...only), after 10 years more the Marantz go to an a Isreali collector > with a good price! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > Roland From paulkoo at comcast.net Wed Feb 2 17:29:24 2005 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:29:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Message-ID: <020220051629.5070.4200FFE40005D56C000013CE2206998499010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> Have you tried the microfiber cleaning cloth from 3M. You will be surprise that older is not better. Paul > Hello, fellow Nakkers! > > I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with > most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, > that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The > last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like > to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and > faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was > also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. > > Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be > purchased? > > Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape > known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place > called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. > > Thanks! > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Feb 3 03:43:00 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:43:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables Message-ID: <4197-42018FB4-110@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Alex,my cute friend ,if you would get your head out of your ass long enough to realize that nearly aLL CABLE utilize a "voodoo science" totally defunct of all reasonable rationale(This i learned from the RON,and i believe it!)maybe you would realise your good buddy really did NOT create the missing link, unless of course he DID,in which case i sincerely apologise.I dont doubt that his cables are sincerely great,but i duly question whether they enjoin some dynamic principle from some " string theory" principle or some some such thing- that would accelerate the quantam mechanics of particle acceleration.Dear boy-sorry to be so hard on you,because you know i love you, but I'm into a few very irreverant websites (and i thought it might be OK to introduce this {american?} element of chat into NAKTALK )that have recently discussed aftermarket Auto engine Spark plug wires which(In correlation with the Audio wires being purported to be superior for application eingeniering with our Nakamichis )to show an amazing discrepancy between eingeniieing jargon and actual fact. In basic,given all the conflicting information;nothing can be decided for the actuall well meaning consumer like myself(with little or no technical capabilities to make a eduacated choice). Unless its' someone like TI from San Jose{santa Clara?} ( of whom i would pretty much unquestioably be delighted to recieve any piece of custom gear , should i be fortunate enough to ever have the opportunity)who has well established design philosophy and lengthy history of expalining the extremely technical side of eingenieering in a appropriate format for some of us laypersons from time to time.Alex? we love you bud, but Ive seen you attack without provocation a few times so dont take it personal brother.Hey if im to much off the wall with this,please, the moderater -give me warning and like the Texas mist in the mid morning of late may- i will go away. thank you very much, gerald From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 2 19:19:39 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:19:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks In-Reply-To: <41FF1927.5080607@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: If this is the cloth supplied with a new Nak I may have some. I have small sealed plastic bags with a cloth inside marked NAKAMICHI, They came with my older machines, ZX7/9, as I have never opened one I am not sure what the cloth is for (there is no mention in the user manuals I have). Colin -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: 01 February 2005 05:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Hello, fellow Nakkers! I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be purchased? Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. Thanks! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 2 19:43:36 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:43:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex mine are the later Esl 63s But I own a set of es l57s that came from my thather, sadly one was damaged in transit to the UK. I must get around to having it repaired! You still can you know! and by the original makers (not bad service for a 50 year old product!). Do you know that the hi fi press once said of the ESL 57 "The greatist Hi Fi product in history" Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 02 February 2005 10:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question Shalom Colin! 30 years ago, I own a pair of Quad ESL-57 as named today brand new at that years, black finish..and was use with my legendary for more of 40 years in continuously use Marantz 7c & 8b, they love each one...my ESL-57 was the right spealer for that Marantz legacy system...When i got married...my wife don't like how "Ugly"...were so I sold earning an a excellent profit (The Quads...only), after 10 years more the Marantz go to an a Isreali collector with a good price! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:13:24 -0000 > >I've always used a Sugden A21 (original) for my second system power and I >can only agree that it is a superb little amp! Mine has gone for a total >rebuild as it is showing its age and its "loosening up" a little! My >repairer is superb in all respects bar one, he takes about four months >minimum to do the job! Having no second system is a bind for me so I went >out and got myself a bog standard Marantz PM 7200 to get me through the >next few months. Its an OK amp nothing special at all, but as is my way I >started to try to get a little more out of it. This amp is wired to allow >Class A amplification, all be it at a much lower power output (20 each >channel I think before it starts to slip back into AB) and surprisingly it >turns into a sweet little amp. It is also equipped with a Processor loop. >I am not quite sure where this is connected in the integrated amp but I >decided to feed my NakZX7 directly in here. OK the only control is the >output pot on the Nak, but I tell you by bypassing the preamp this little >beauty burst into life! Its no Sugden A21 but its retail in the UK is a >quarter of that of an A21. I do really enjoy its output. one drawback >though! it gets hot, very, very hot! so if you try it, don't place your >precious Nak on top of it! I have no real technical knowledge as such but >I >have a quite a few listening years behind me! I have never found a >recommended loudspeaker I could live with! I went against all advice and >got hold of a pair of Quad electrostatics, and slowly I fell in love with >them. OK they are light at the bottom end and imaging and positioning >leaves a little to be desired. also they cost an arm and a leg (even >secondhand if in good nick) but they are oh so sweet! The Sugden isn't >supposed to like them but I have never found a problem. I did blow a Linn >Clout once by overloading the speakers (if you overload one of these >speakers and the "crowbar" activates,it puts a short across the amp >outputs! >and saves the speakers but at the cost of the amp!) I do believe though. >the only way to got your preferred speaker is go out and listen to as many >as you can. > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: 31 January 2005 20:33 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > >Kermit > >Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B >variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the >ancient >original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess >of £1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the >new models, only cost around £125-£150 each - they are a superb bargain. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > > or reverb tails. > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 22:00:56 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:00:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] rm200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050202210056.89041.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> The remotes that have monentary buttons (button pops back up after released) will work with any deck that uses the RM-200/RM-580, basically decks with microprocessors. The earlier decks require that the button stay down to stay in that mode. Nakamichi made the connectors physically different so you can't plug the incorrect remote into a deck. I have been researching the remote capabilities of all the decks to determine remote compatibility. The TriTracer 1000 was on my "??" column as I could not find any remote control information on it. Now that I know that the TriTracer 1000 (and I assume the TriTrace 1000II) is compatible with the 1000ZXL I will add that data point to my remote page. www.naks.com just says "Remote control: 'Present'". SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > I must add something also!!! My Tri-Tracer 1000 remote controller > was > capable to function in my once owned 1000ZXL and also to my > presently > Dragon...so as I see...any remote can me use with "Almost"...any > Nak deck! > Something superb!!! at least for play-stop.back-forward & pause! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] rm200 > >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:16:52 -0800 (PST) > > > >Yup. It's the same connector, pin function and electrical signal > >levels for the 1000ZXL as it is with many other decks like the > 580, > >581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, BX-300, CR-2, > CR-3, > >CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. > > > >Check out my Nak remote page. > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html > > > >The RM-300 was made for the 700ZXL, 1000ZXL and 1000ZXL Limited > and > >are basically a RM-200 with tape counter display that comes across > on > >a different connector on the back of the deck. > > > >Scott J. > > > >--- David wrote: > > > > > > > > Just curious, would I be able to use this to make a remote for > a > > > 1000ZXL? > > > It seems that applying a ground to any of the pins is what > > > activates the > > > function. > > > > > > Dave > > > daves at intergate.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 05 00:18 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] rm200 > > > > > > I don't know how the 7 got on the end of the URL. The correct > URL > > > is: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > or you can use the original url and remove the trailing "7" > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > --- Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > Here Colin, > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif7 > > > > > > > > Even though it says MR-2, it is basically for all decks that > use > > > > the > > > > RM-200/RM-580 > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > > > > > > > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit and > plug > > > > > connections > > > > > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the plug and > about > > > 2 > > > > m > > > > > of the > > > > > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the > original!) > > > but > > > > > dont know > > > > > how to wire it together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > > > ps. 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Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From sie28873 at lycos.com Thu Feb 3 02:25:01 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:25:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips Message-ID: <20050203012501.34F23C6134@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Scott, Thanks for the info. As it is the mircoprocessor chip and dolby chip I am hoping to take off the MR-1, would these be different from the ones on the BX300 - noting that you say "The mainboard is probably slightly different". Robert The major differences are the I/O connectors on the back. MR-1 was NR loop In/Outs. It also has 1/4" unbalanced I/O's and balanced XLR I/O's. There is also a balanced 1/4" Input on the front where the master fader control is. The meter board on the MR-1 is different. The segments are horizontal instead of vertical and contain 50% more steps. Bias fine tune is not on the MR-1. Everything else is basically the same. The transport is identical. The circuitry is nearly identical. The mainboard is probably slightly different. SJ --- Robert Sie wrote: > I decided I would go the route of repairing my BX300 through > cannabalising a MR-1 only because it may become available. Ideally, a kaput > BX300 would be more ideal as an exact match for spares. > > In what way is the MR-1 identical to the BX300 or should I ask > where should I expect them to defer mechanically and electrically aside from > cosmetics? > > Robert > > > I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a MR-1 (basically > the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as well. A couple > years > ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept getting, Oh, it's back > ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a price though, > $23.01. That was back in May of 2002 when Patty was there. I tried from > March to May and then gave up. > > I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, > BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. > > SJ > > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it > has > > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful these > > chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say > no. Sounds like I > > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit board. > > > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other or do in fact > have a source for > > them? > > Robert > -- ________ -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Thu Feb 3 04:06:46 2005 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:06:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL maintenance Message-ID: <12e.56b94f84.2f32ef46@aol.com> Hi everyone: What are today's options for 700 ZXL service/overhaul/upgrade. I am not interested in personal attacks on anyone just some ideas for my 700ZXL's. I got several,want to rebuilt 1 and sell the rest. Many regards to all, Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a nice working day, ALEX! >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] High end cables >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:43:00 -0600 > >Alex,my cute friend ,if you would get your head out of your ass long >enough to realize that nearly aLL CABLE utilize a "voodoo science" >totally defunct of all reasonable rationale(This i learned from the >RON,and i believe it!)maybe you would realise your good buddy really did >NOT create the missing link, unless of course he DID,in which case i >sincerely apologise.I dont doubt that his cables are sincerely great,but >i duly question whether they enjoin some dynamic principle from some " >string theory" principle or some some such thing- that would accelerate >the quantam mechanics of particle acceleration.Dear boy-sorry to be so >hard on you,because you know i love you, but I'm into a few very >irreverant websites (and i thought it might be OK to introduce this >{american?} element of chat into NAKTALK )that have recently discussed >aftermarket Auto engine Spark plug wires which(In correlation with the >Audio wires being purported to be superior for application eingeniering >with our Nakamichis )to show an amazing discrepancy between >eingeniieing jargon and actual fact. In basic,given all the >conflicting information;nothing can be decided for the actuall well >meaning consumer like myself(with little or no technical capabilities to >make a eduacated choice). Unless its' someone like TI from San >Jose{santa Clara?} ( of whom i would pretty much unquestioably be >delighted to recieve any piece of custom gear , should i be fortunate >enough to ever have the opportunity)who has well established design >philosophy and lengthy history of expalining the extremely technical >side of eingenieering in a appropriate format for some of us laypersons >from time to time.Alex? we love you bud, but Ive seen you attack without >provocation a few times so dont take it personal brother.Hey if im to >much off the wall with this,please, the moderater -give me warning and >like the Texas mist in the mid morning of late may- i will go away. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 08:57:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:57:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Message-ID: Dear Paul! My optician provide me withy 2 "Micro fiber" from Zeiss... will be good also for my Dragon? Thanks, ALEX! >From: paulkoo at comcast.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:29:24 +0000 > >Have you tried the microfiber cleaning cloth from 3M. You will be surprise >that older is not better. > >Paul > > > > Hello, fellow Nakkers! > > > > I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with > > most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, > > that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The > > last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like > > to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and > > faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was > > also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. > > > > Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be > > purchased? > > > > Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape > > known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place > > called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. > > > > Thanks! > > > > N-Joy! > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 3 08:17:44 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:17:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CLICK BUSTER - KERMIT In-Reply-To: <00db01c508b4$1016eac0$cad64c51@oemcomputer> References: <00db01c508b4$1016eac0$cad64c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4201D018.8050401@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Just fired up the first prototype. Had to build it out of valves because I'm just not any good designing with transistors -- yet. With great anticipation, I connected the prototype of the Valve Declicker I, resplendent with its glass forest of 5879 pentodes, 6SN7, 6CG7, 6SL7, 1620, 12AX7A, 6AL5, 5Y3 and 6BQ5. (I began to feel like I was cleaning out my parts chest). The tonearm of the Dual 1249 turntable, fitted with vintage Shure V-15 Type III boxcar (cartridge) began to play a well-worn, tick-riddled copy of Vivaldi wind concertos. Sound poured forth. As we professionals say, in technical terms: It sucked. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Besides, I want my valves back. N-Joy. Nelson wrote: > Kermit > > How y'doing with your home brew SAE Impulse 5000 replacement? > > Gra' > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 3 08:20:27 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:20:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks In-Reply-To: <020220051629.5070.4200FFE40005D56C000013CE2206998499010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> References: <020220051629.5070.4200FFE40005D56C000013CE2206998499010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4201D0BB.2080005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: > Have you tried the microfiber cleaning cloth from 3M. You will be surprise that older is not better. > Do you mean the ScotchBrite cloths? I've tried those. They are very good. But the Hi-Fuster works a bit better on the brushed aluminum front panel that typifies 1970s stereos. N-Joy. > Paul > > > >>Hello, fellow Nakkers! >> >>I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with >>most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, >>that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The >>last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like >>to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and >>faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was >>also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. >> >>Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be >>purchased? >> >>Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape >>known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place >>called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. >> >>Thanks! >> >>N-Joy! >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Thu Feb 3 09:40:51 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:40:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning facilities Message-ID: <002801c509cc$112a7260$0200a8c0@lan> Dear fellow Nakkers, To clean up my audio gear, as well as the screens of my PC monitor and TV's, I use for more than 15 years "Window cleaner" (Nettoie vitres, or Ruitenreiniger) from "Applied" in aerosols of 400 milliliter. It is very friendly for text on front panels and ruthless for skin- and other grease and dirty deposits on your gear. I have addresses in Belgium and in Holland, but, as Applied is an international firm, I think it will be available all over the world. I cannot without it. I buy it from Applied direct in a carton of 12 aerosols, as I could not find a detaillist who sells lose cans. Regards, Johan ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Thu Feb 3 09:58:05 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:58:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables References: <4197-42018FB4-110@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <003401c509ce$79e39c80$0200a8c0@lan> Dear fellow Nakkers, All those "exotic" cables are bullshit, just made to enrich the manufacturers of them. Low capacity for signal wiring , and adequate diameter, thus also low resistance , for speakerwiring + good connectors (preferably gilded for low signals) is all you need. Keep lenghts as short as possible. Use your money for good gear instead of riduculous expensive wiring. The manufacturers of those cables operate like some kind of MOB. They underline their products with glossy prospectusses full of semi-technical nonsense. With kind regards, Johan Berserik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] High end cables > Alex,my cute friend ,if you would get your head out of your ass long > enough to realize that nearly aLL CABLE utilize a "voodoo science" > totally defunct of all reasonable rationale(This i learned from the > RON,and i believe it!)maybe you would realise your good buddy really did > NOT create the missing link, unless of course he DID,in which case i > sincerely apologise.I dont doubt that his cables are sincerely great,but > i duly question whether they enjoin some dynamic principle from some " > string theory" principle or some some such thing- that would accelerate > the quantam mechanics of particle acceleration.Dear boy-sorry to be so > hard on you,because you know i love you, but I'm into a few very > irreverant websites (and i thought it might be OK to introduce this > {american?} element of chat into NAKTALK )that have recently discussed > aftermarket Auto engine Spark plug wires which(In correlation with the > Audio wires being purported to be superior for application eingeniering > with our Nakamichis )to show an amazing discrepancy between > eingeniieing jargon and actual fact. In basic,given all the > conflicting information;nothing can be decided for the actuall well > meaning consumer like myself(with little or no technical capabilities to > make a eduacated choice). Unless its' someone like TI from San > Jose{santa Clara?} ( of whom i would pretty much unquestioably be > delighted to recieve any piece of custom gear , should i be fortunate > enough to ever have the opportunity)who has well established design > philosophy and lengthy history of expalining the extremely technical > side of eingenieering in a appropriate format for some of us laypersons > from time to time.Alex? we love you bud, but Ive seen you attack without > provocation a few times so dont take it personal brother.Hey if im to > much off the wall with this,please, the moderater -give me warning and > like the Texas mist in the mid morning of late may- i will go away. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 09:00:14 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:00:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question Message-ID: YES!!!! I today miss the sound of my Quads!...However... for a better living with my wife!!!!!!!! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:56:10 -0500 > >Alex, > >I see you have learned the valuation of a happy wife over a set of Quads. >Both can bring enjoyment but only ONE can bring misery-on-demand! > > > > > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 05:48:39 EST > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > Shalom Colin! > > > > 30 years ago, I own a pair of Quad ESL-57 as named today brand new at >that > > years, black finish..and was use with my legendary for more of 40 years >in > > continuously use Marantz 7c & 8b, they love each one...my ESL-57 was the > > right spealer for that Marantz legacy system...When i got married...my >wife > > don't like how "Ugly"...were so I sold earning an a excellent profit >(The > > Quads...only), after 10 years more the Marantz go to an a Isreali >collector > > with a good price! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 3 09:05:57 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 03:05:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: <4197-42018FB4-110@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> References: <4197-42018FB4-110@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4201DB65.1000000@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gerald! Don't even get me going on cables. Most of the claims for cables fall into three categories: grandiose claims with no evidence, technobabble that doesn't even make good science fiction, and verbage reminiscient more of the religious philosophical writings of Eastern clerics than it is of sound engineering. My apologies to Eastern clerics, who make more sense than some cable ads do! Save your money to get your Naakmichi fixed or to buy blank tapes -- or more cool gear. A good cable needs to satisfy only these few requirements: 1. Low series resistance. The less the better. 2. Low reactance, capacitive and inductive, otherwise the calbe becomes a filter or interacts unfavorably with other reactive components in the system (transformers, crossovers, speaker drivers). Capacitance should be, ideally, zero. Less than 30 pF per foot is excellent. 30 to 50 pF is mediocre. 50 to 100 pF is poor. More than 100 pF is in effect a filter. 3. Effective shielding, if a line cable. 4. Durability. 5. Matched characteristic impedance, though not really needed for audio cables, and not worth trying to determine, unless you are dealing with VERY long cable runs in high interference environments such as those in ENG situations or live sporting event broadcasts. SKIN EFFECT occurs only at radio frequencies or at audio frequencies ONLY in conditions of very high amperage. Your speaker cables do not exhibit skin effect (except in dubious, highly controlled, lab environments) BUT the overhead power transmission lines carrying 50 or 60 hz AC power from the generating plant to your home DOES because of the extreme amperage. The practical effect of skin effect is to increase series resistance. Period. That's all there is to it. The cure, for audio purposes, is very low tech. Use a bigger gauge wire. End of silly game. Some cable ads purport that because of skin effect the signal travelling on the surface arrives at a different time than the signal travelling deep within the cable. Time delay. Electricity travels at nearly the speed of light through wire. Any wire. Anywhere. What time delay? Even if it exists, it'd be virtually impossible to measure and would be on the order of a few "ticks" of a cesium atomic clock for a cable hundreds of feet long. Somehow, I'm not worried. Some cable ads purport that the high frequencies travel the thin strands and the bass travels the thicker strands. A crossover in effect. That doesn't even make good science fiction. Some cable ads wax lyrical over the exotic insulation they use. Insulation affects capacitance only. So long as an insulation is chosen that mimimizes capacitance you're OK. Unless you just want to spend money on exotic insulation instead of blank tapes or cool Nakamichi gear, don't sweat it. Make your OWN cable. Here's how: LINE CABLE: Buy any good balanced line cable. You read right. two-conductor shielded. For this example, assume that it has one conductor color coded WHITE, the other color coded BLACK, plus a braided overall shield. Buy two good RCA plugs per cable. Solder WHITE to the pins on both plugs, solder BLACK to the sleeves of both plugs BUT solder the overall braid shield to ONLY one plug's sleeve. DO NOT SOLDER the overall braid shield to the other plug's sleeve. This is a construction used by studios known as a "shunt shield cable." WHEN YOU INSTALL THE LINE CABLE, be sure that the plug that has overall braid shield soldered to it is connected to an INPUT jack on your recorder or amplifier. The plug that DOES NOT HAVE the overall braid shield soldered to it is connected to an OUTPUT jack on your recorder or amplifier. THIS cable WILL make a difference in your system -- but you cannot buy it anywhere (that I'm aware of)! All of these high-cost "interconnect"' companies have missed it. SPEAKER CABLE: Two choices. [Choice 1.] Buy the biggest gauge insulated stranded wire you can afford that will fit the connectors. Pick two different colors of insulation for convenience. Do not twist the two wires together, do not run them parallel "zip cord style" and do not weave them together in any pattern. Lay them along side each other, without being too neat. This virtually eliminates any capacitive or inductive reactance, something that all the other high-priced cables have! Yes, it is that easy. And please, do not worry about laying them on carpet. Those cable elevators aren't needed. [Choice 2.] Buy 1/8-inch or 1/4-inch copper tubing and stretch insulation over it. This is the overkill approach. Even more overkill, fill the tubing with liquid nitrogen and seal the ends to reduce resistance. Ok, don't -- not worth the effort. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 10:59:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:59:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050203095904.80246.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Alex puts his point through as delicately as ever. I was once offered a pair of homemade cables by a tech who services high grade tube amps. It cost me less then 1/10th of my more expensive cables. Having invested money in Audio Notes, Siltech, VdH, Audio Plan and all..I was inclined to try this purely out of friendship. Using it between my DAC and pre, I have to say it really sounds nice. Bass is good, treble is there. Considering the price of it, it actually does produce a nice sound. I won't reject it outright-seriously for someone on a budget, I would heartily recommend it. The more expensive cables would of course show vast improvements on top quality equipment. After the initial listening, (which came after a full fortnight of burn in with intermittent rest periods), I find that these cables work quite well with cassette decks, and that the unsmooth treble helps the tame treble cassettes, especialy older recordings, produce. Having gone through stacks of hype from cables manufacturers and as put 'semi technical explanations of voodoo breakthroughs' I am one guy who violently rips the fancy packing open, let my gear violently rip the qualty of the cables open. Factors to keep in mind are the cost, construction( both external and internal) and built. So explanations and marketing aside, you have to give things a listen before making decisions. There were people who told me Caigs Pro Gold, WBT silver solder were hype and nonsense. I am sure there are some gentlemen amongst us who know the difference these prducts make. Surely, for a guy who knows how to choose an SP9 for a preamp and McIntosh 78 tuner and has his Dragon breathing hot in the middle east, he would definitely know how to pick cables. Not simply being supportive but taking into account all the factors before making out an argument. B --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Lovely Gerald! > > He soon will visit his parents here in Israel, and > he insure me that i will > "Test" this product that he made, I will inform you > my results! > > Have a nice working day, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] High end cables > >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:43:00 -0600 > > > >Alex,my cute friend ,if you would get your head out > of your ass long > >enough to realize that nearly aLL CABLE utilize a > "voodoo science" > >totally defunct of all reasonable rationale(This i > learned from the > >RON,and i believe it!)maybe you would realise your > good buddy really did > >NOT create the missing link, unless of course he > DID,in which case i > >sincerely apologise.I dont doubt that his cables > are sincerely great,but > >i duly question whether they enjoin some dynamic > principle from some " > >string theory" principle or some some such thing- > that would accelerate > >the quantam mechanics of particle acceleration.Dear > boy-sorry to be so > >hard on you,because you know i love you, but I'm > into a few very > >irreverant websites (and i thought it might be OK > to introduce this > >{american?} element of chat into NAKTALK )that > have recently discussed > >aftermarket Auto engine Spark plug wires which(In > correlation with the > >Audio wires being purported to be superior for > application eingeniering > >with our Nakamichis )to show an amazing discrepancy > between > >eingeniieing jargon and actual fact. In > basic,given all the > >conflicting information;nothing can be decided for > the actuall well > >meaning consumer like myself(with little or no > technical capabilities to > >make a eduacated choice). Unless its' someone like > TI from San > >Jose{santa Clara?} ( of whom i would pretty much > unquestioably be > >delighted to recieve any piece of custom gear , > should i be fortunate > >enough to ever have the opportunity)who has well > established design > >philosophy and lengthy history of expalining the > extremely technical > >side of eingenieering in a appropriate format for > some of us laypersons > >from time to time.Alex? we love you bud, but Ive > seen you attack without > >provocation a few times so dont take it personal > brother.Hey if im to > >much off the wall with this,please, the moderater > -give me warning and > >like the Texas mist in the mid morning of late may- > i will go away. > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 11:07:12 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 chips In-Reply-To: <20050203012501.34F23C6134@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050203100712.40783.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Robert, Is the software within the microprocessor the same for both units? I am not sure myself, but once I tried it with a reel deck and the deck with the transplant got fits! The physical chip may be the same, but not the software inside. I think the experienced hands here can shed some light on this. B --- Robert Sie wrote: > Scott, > Thanks for the info. > > As it is the mircoprocessor chip and dolby chip I am > hoping to take off the MR-1, would these be > different from the ones on the BX300 - noting that > you say "The mainboard is probably slightly > different". > Robert > > > The major differences are the I/O connectors on the > back. MR-1 was > NR loop In/Outs. It also has 1/4" unbalanced I/O's > and balanced XLR > I/O's. There is also a balanced 1/4" Input on the > front where the > master fader control is. The meter board on the > MR-1 is different. > The segments are horizontal instead of vertical and > contain 50% more > steps. Bias fine tune is not on the MR-1. > > Everything else is basically the same. The > transport is identical. > The circuitry is nearly identical. The mainboard is > probably > slightly different. > > SJ > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > I decided I would go the route of repairing my > BX300 through > > cannabalising a MR-1 only because it may become > available. Ideally, a kaput > > BX300 would be more ideal as an exact match for > spares. > > > > In what way is the MR-1 identical to the BX300 or > should I ask > > where should I expect them to defer mechanically > and electrically aside from > > cosmetics? > > > > Robert > > > > > > I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a > MR-1 (basically > > the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as > well. A couple > > years > > ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept > getting, Oh, it's back > > ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a > price though, > > $23.01. That was back in May of 2002 when Patty > was there. I tried from > > March to May and then gave up. > > > > I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, > BX-2, BX-100, > > BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > > > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer > I go to says it > > has > > > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. > Doubtful these > > > chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - > my repairer say > > no. Sounds like I > > > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or > BX300 circuit board. > > > > > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other > or do in fact > > have a source for > > > them? > > > Robert > > -- ________ > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow > Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 11:11:07 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:11:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10502030211798becdd@mail.gmail.com> Colin, There is a German company which has bought the ES speaker part of Quad with all the know-how and equipment and now does full restoration and upgrade of ESL57s and 63s. I think ther website is www.quadprodukte.de, but run a Google on them in order to be sure. George On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:43:36 -0000, Colin Marsh wrote: > Alex > mine are the later Esl 63s But I own a set of es l57s that came from my > thather, sadly one was damaged in transit to the UK. I must get around to > having it repaired! You still can you know! and by the original makers (not > bad service for a 50 year old product!). Do you know that the hi fi press > once said of the ESL 57 "The greatist Hi Fi product in history" > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > Sent: 02 February 2005 10:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > Shalom Colin! > > 30 years ago, I own a pair of Quad ESL-57 as named today brand new at that > years, black finish..and was use with my legendary for more of 40 years in > continuously use Marantz 7c & 8b, they love each one...my ESL-57 was the > right spealer for that Marantz legacy system...When i got married...my wife > don't like how "Ugly"...were so I sold earning an a excellent profit (The > Quads...only), after 10 years more the Marantz go to an a Isreali collector > with a good price! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:13:24 -0000 > > > >I've always used a Sugden A21 (original) for my second system power and I > >can only agree that it is a superb little amp! Mine has gone for a total > >rebuild as it is showing its age and its "loosening up" a little! My > >repairer is superb in all respects bar one, he takes about four months > >minimum to do the job! Having no second system is a bind for me so I went > >out and got myself a bog standard Marantz PM 7200 to get me through the > >next few months. Its an OK amp nothing special at all, but as is my way I > >started to try to get a little more out of it. This amp is wired to allow > >Class A amplification, all be it at a much lower power output (20 each > >channel I think before it starts to slip back into AB) and surprisingly it > >turns into a sweet little amp. It is also equipped with a Processor loop. > >I am not quite sure where this is connected in the integrated amp but I > >decided to feed my NakZX7 directly in here. OK the only control is the > >output pot on the Nak, but I tell you by bypassing the preamp this little > >beauty burst into life! Its no Sugden A21 but its retail in the UK is a > >quarter of that of an A21. I do really enjoy its output. one drawback > >though! it gets hot, very, very hot! so if you try it, don't place your > >precious Nak on top of it! I have no real technical knowledge as such but > >I > >have a quite a few listening years behind me! I have never found a > >recommended loudspeaker I could live with! I went against all advice and > >got hold of a pair of Quad electrostatics, and slowly I fell in love with > >them. OK they are light at the bottom end and imaging and positioning > >leaves a little to be desired. also they cost an arm and a leg (even > >secondhand if in good nick) but they are oh so sweet! The Sugden isn't > >supposed to like them but I have never found a problem. I did blow a Linn > >Clout once by overloading the speakers (if you overload one of these > >speakers and the "crowbar" activates,it puts a short across the amp > >outputs! > >and saves the speakers but at the cost of the amp!) I do believe though. > >the only way to got your preferred speaker is go out and listen to as many > >as you can. > > > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > >Sent: 31 January 2005 20:33 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > >Kermit > > > >Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B > >variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the > >ancient > >original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in excess > >of £1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than the > >new models, only cost around £125-£150 each - they are a superb bargain. > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice as > > > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > > > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > > > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps it > > > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > > > > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > > > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > > > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > > > > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > > > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > > > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my taste > > > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > > > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > > > or reverb tails. > > > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 3 11:05:47 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:05:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: <003401c509ce$79e39c80$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <007101c509d7$ee96b540$0370893e@oemcomputer> Wooah! Hold on. Let's not generalise that ALL exotic cables are bullshit, just as it would be wrong to say all cheap cables are great. Some cables do better than others in certain situations and, as I understand it, it comes down to the old resistance and capacitance issues. Thence, some cables do better than others if they are short lengths while others can perform well even when they are long. And then, the differences are good or bad depending on how you like the sound delivered ... Personally, I find it fun to make my own and try our different materials. My curren favourite is the braided inner core of coax cable, for analogue and for digital, bare silver wire. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Berserik, J.E. > Sent: 03 February 2005 08:58 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables > > > Dear fellow Nakkers, > > All those "exotic" cables are bullshit, just made to enrich the > manufacturers of them. > Low capacity for signal wiring , and adequate diameter, thus also low > resistance , for speakerwiring + good connectors (preferably > gilded for low > signals) is all you need. Keep lenghts as short as possible. > Use your money for good gear instead of riduculous expensive wiring. > The manufacturers of those cables operate like some kind of MOB. They > underline their products with glossy prospectusses full of semi-technical > nonsense. > > With kind regards, > Johan Berserik > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 12:20:08 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:20:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hello & Question Message-ID: Shalom my dear Colin! Mine were one of the last models, with EIC mains connector NOT the UK Rounded ones! If you need reparation...to my knowledge...only in GERMANY exist till today an a Quad erudite technician! Try to find at the webs look "Quad History"...maybe there you may fin who do it! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:43:36 -0000 > >Alex >mine are the later Esl 63s But I own a set of es l57s that came from my >thather, sadly one was damaged in transit to the UK. I must get around to >having it repaired! You still can you know! and by the original makers >(not >bad service for a 50 year old product!). Do you know that the hi fi press >once said of the ESL 57 "The greatist Hi Fi product in history" >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 02 February 2005 10:49 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > >Shalom Colin! > >30 years ago, I own a pair of Quad ESL-57 as named today brand new at that >years, black finish..and was use with my legendary for more of 40 years in >continuously use Marantz 7c & 8b, they love each one...my ESL-57 was the >right spealer for that Marantz legacy system...When i got married...my wife >don't like how "Ugly"...were so I sold earning an a excellent profit (The >Quads...only), after 10 years more the Marantz go to an a Isreali collector >with a good price! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:13:24 -0000 > > > >I've always used a Sugden A21 (original) for my second system power and I > >can only agree that it is a superb little amp! Mine has gone for a total > >rebuild as it is showing its age and its "loosening up" a little! My > >repairer is superb in all respects bar one, he takes about four months > >minimum to do the job! Having no second system is a bind for me so I >went > >out and got myself a bog standard Marantz PM 7200 to get me through the > >next few months. Its an OK amp nothing special at all, but as is my way >I > >started to try to get a little more out of it. This amp is wired to >allow > >Class A amplification, all be it at a much lower power output (20 each > >channel I think before it starts to slip back into AB) and surprisingly >it > >turns into a sweet little amp. It is also equipped with a Processor >loop. > >I am not quite sure where this is connected in the integrated amp but I > >decided to feed my NakZX7 directly in here. OK the only control is the > >output pot on the Nak, but I tell you by bypassing the preamp this little > >beauty burst into life! Its no Sugden A21 but its retail in the UK is a > >quarter of that of an A21. I do really enjoy its output. one drawback > >though! it gets hot, very, very hot! so if you try it, don't place your > >precious Nak on top of it! I have no real technical knowledge as such >but > >I > >have a quite a few listening years behind me! I have never found a > >recommended loudspeaker I could live with! I went against all advice and > >got hold of a pair of Quad electrostatics, and slowly I fell in love with > >them. OK they are light at the bottom end and imaging and positioning > >leaves a little to be desired. also they cost an arm and a leg (even > >secondhand if in good nick) but they are oh so sweet! The Sugden isn't > >supposed to like them but I have never found a problem. I did blow a >Linn > >Clout once by overloading the speakers (if you overload one of these > >speakers and the "crowbar" activates,it puts a short across the amp > >outputs! > >and saves the speakers but at the cost of the amp!) I do believe though. > >the only way to got your preferred speaker is go out and listen to as >many > >as you can. > > > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > >Sent: 31 January 2005 20:33 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > >Kermit > > > >Treat yourself to a listen to a Sugden A21 (Pure Class A, not the A/B > >variants by the same maker), the new model (A21a) or even one of the > >ancient > >original A21 and you'll love THIS solid state amp. New they cost in >excess > >of �1k. The original, which I gather are not so very much worse than >the > >new models, only cost around �125-�150 each - they are a superb bargain. > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > > Sent: 31 January 2005 07:41 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello & Question > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > The NAD amp is good, although a Nakamichi amp would be a great choice >as > > > well. hate to be heretical, but I do not like the sound of most > > > commercial transistor amps. My favorite transistor amp is the > > > redoubtable Crown D75 studio monitor amp; unlike most audiophile amps >it > > > will not ring on shapr bass transients. > > > > > > My best amplifier advice is to either build yourself a good Williamson > > > using KT66, KT88, 6L6GC or 6550 output tubes and a Magnequest or > > > Peerless transformer; OR build either a Radford or Mullard design. > > > > > > As for speakers I cannot help you there. Long ago I gave up trying to > > > find a manufactured speaker I could enjoy and began building my own. > > > Finally found a speaker I enjoy! B&W DM602s are too colored for my >taste > > > and lack the sense of depth and tangible spatial image that I've grown > > > accustomed to. Especially lacking are their ability to render ambience > > > or reverb tails. > > > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 12:26:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:26:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] rm200 Message-ID: Shalom Scott! Yes the "First" remote with cable 5 meters length that I acquired with my Tri-Tracer 1000/2, in 1978 works superbly with my "Week Owned"...1000ZXL and now with my current Dragon...very safely! You can add to your data! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] rm200 >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:00:56 -0800 (PST) > >The remotes that have monentary buttons (button pops back up after >released) will work with any deck that uses the RM-200/RM-580, >basically decks with microprocessors. The earlier decks require that >the button stay down to stay in that mode. Nakamichi made the >connectors physically different so you can't plug the incorrect >remote into a deck. > >I have been researching the remote capabilities of all the decks to >determine remote compatibility. The TriTracer 1000 was on my "??" >column as I could not find any remote control information on it. Now >that I know that the TriTracer 1000 (and I assume the TriTrace >1000II) is compatible with the 1000ZXL I will add that data point to >my remote page. www.naks.com just says "Remote control: 'Present'". > >SJ > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > I must add something also!!! My Tri-Tracer 1000 remote controller > > was > > capable to function in my once owned 1000ZXL and also to my > > presently > > Dragon...so as I see...any remote can me use with "Almost"...any > > Nak deck! > > Something superb!!! at least for play-stop.back-forward & pause! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] rm200 > > >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:16:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Yup. It's the same connector, pin function and electrical signal > > >levels for the 1000ZXL as it is with many other decks like the > > 580, > > >581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, BX-300, CR-2, > > CR-3, > > >CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. > > > > > >Check out my Nak remote page. > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html > > > > > >The RM-300 was made for the 700ZXL, 1000ZXL and 1000ZXL Limited > > and > > >are basically a RM-200 with tape counter display that comes across > > on > > >a different connector on the back of the deck. > > > > > >Scott J. > > > > > >--- David wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious, would I be able to use this to make a remote for > > a > > > > 1000ZXL? > > > > It seems that applying a ground to any of the pins is what > > > > activates the > > > > function. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > daves at intergate.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 05 00:18 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] rm200 > > > > > > > > I don't know how the 7 got on the end of the URL. The correct > > URL > > > > is: > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > > > or you can use the original url and remove the trailing "7" > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here Colin, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif7 > > > > > > > > > > Even though it says MR-2, it is basically for all decks that > > use > > > > > the > > > > > RM-200/RM-580 > > > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone a copy or a rough drawing of the circuit and > > plug > > > > > > connections > > > > > > for this wired remote (RM200)? The dog ate the plug and > > about > > > > 2 > > > > > m > > > > > > of the > > > > > > cable!! Ive got the plug and cable (new, not the > > original!) > > > > but > > > > > > dont know > > > > > > how to wire it together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > > > > > ps. The dog suffered no ill effects except for a pain in > > the > > > > > Ass, > > > > > > from my > > > > > > boot -------- (Not really!)!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 12:32:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:32:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Message-ID: Lovely Colin! I own 4 of them yellow colour, using your common sense...was provide for "POLISH"..the wood cabinet on my Tri-Tracer 1000/2, also on my "Week Owned" 1000ZXL. same wood cabinet but bigger & deeper that on my Tri-Tracer... however...you can use it to clean the front, side etc...on all those newer Nak machines! Simple as That!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:19:39 -0000 > >If this is the cloth supplied with a new Nak I may have some. I have small >sealed plastic bags with a cloth inside marked NAKAMICHI, They came with my >older machines, ZX7/9, as I have never opened one I am not sure what the >cloth is for (there is no mention in the user manuals I have). > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >Sent: 01 February 2005 05:53 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks > > >Hello, fellow Nakkers! > >I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with >most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, >that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The >last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like >to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and >faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was >also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. > >Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be >purchased? > >Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape >known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place >called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. > >Thanks! > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From aouq38 at dsl.pipex.com Thu Feb 3 12:47:45 2005 From: aouq38 at dsl.pipex.com (Terry Allan) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:47:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: <003401c509ce$79e39c80$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6B9AE5C8-75D9-11D9-930A-0003933EDD52@dsl.pipex.com> Cable Talk This is guaranteed to start 'a war of words'. Clearly one cannot make general statements like this at a technical level. Naim amps have for example specific requirements for cabling otherwise there is a danger amplifier stability. At the level of identification of 'audible differences between cables' it is also unwise to be so dogmatic. Best wishes Terry On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 08:58 AM, Berserik, J.E. wrote: > Dear fellow Nakkers, > > All those "exotic" cables are bullshit, just made to enrich the > manufacturers of them. > Low capacity for signal wiring , and adequate diameter, thus also low > resistance , for speakerwiring + good connectors (preferably gilded > for low > signals) is all you need. Keep lenghts as short as possible. > Use your money for good gear instead of riduculous expensive wiring. > The manufacturers of those cables operate like some kind of MOB. They > underline their products with glossy prospectusses full of > semi-technical > nonsense. > > With kind regards, > Johan Berserik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald G." > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:43 AM > Subject: [naktalk] High end cables > > >> Alex,my cute friend ,if you would get your head out of your ass long >> enough to realize that nearly aLL CABLE utilize a "voodoo science" >> totally defunct of all reasonable rationale(This i learned from the >> RON,and i believe it!)maybe you would realise your good buddy really >> did >> NOT create the missing link, unless of course he DID,in which case i >> sincerely apologise.I dont doubt that his cables are sincerely >> great,but >> i duly question whether they enjoin some dynamic principle from some >> " >> string theory" principle or some some such thing- that would >> accelerate >> the quantam mechanics of particle acceleration.Dear boy-sorry to be so >> hard on you,because you know i love you, but I'm into a few very >> irreverant websites (and i thought it might be OK to introduce this >> {american?} element of chat into NAKTALK )that have recently >> discussed >> aftermarket Auto engine Spark plug wires which(In correlation with the >> Audio wires being purported to be superior for application >> eingeniering >> with our Nakamichis )to show an amazing discrepancy between >> eingeniieing jargon and actual fact. In basic,given all the >> conflicting information;nothing can be decided for the actuall well >> meaning consumer like myself(with little or no technical capabilities >> to >> make a eduacated choice). Unless its' someone like TI from San >> Jose{santa Clara?} ( of whom i would pretty much unquestioably be >> delighted to recieve any piece of custom gear , should i be fortunate >> enough to ever have the opportunity)who has well established design >> philosophy and lengthy history of expalining the extremely technical >> side of eingenieering in a appropriate format for some of us >> laypersons >> from time to time.Alex? we love you bud, but Ive seen you attack >> without >> provocation a few times so dont take it personal brother.Hey if im to >> much off the wall with this,please, the moderater -give me warning and >> like the Texas mist in the mid morning of late may- i will go away. >> >> thank you very much, >> gerald >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 3 12:59:20 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:59:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: <6B9AE5C8-75D9-11D9-930A-0003933EDD52@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <009801c509e7$cb664620$0370893e@oemcomputer> Also interesting to note that Naim held on to using DIN plugs rather than RCA. I wonder if that was a marketing ploy ("differential") or if they genuinely feel there is an advantage in using DIN plugs over RCA ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Terry Allan > Sent: 03 February 2005 11:48 > To: Berserik, J.E.; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables > > > Cable Talk > This is guaranteed to start 'a war of words'. Clearly one cannot make > general statements like this at a technical level. Naim amps have for > example specific requirements for cabling otherwise there is a danger > amplifier stability. At the level of identification of 'audible > differences between cables' it is also unwise to be so dogmatic. > Best wishes > Terry > From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 3 15:02:20 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:02:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables--For Kermit In-Reply-To: <4201DB65.1000000@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4197-42018FB4-110@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> <4201DB65.1000000@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <42022EEC.1000808@bellsouth.net> Your recent posts on microphones for Naks and now cables are superb. Thank you so much for this practical, usable, advice. Mike Atlanta, GA Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Gerald! > > Don't even get me going on cables. Most of the claims for cables fall > into three categories: grandiose claims with no evidence, technobabble > that doesn't even make good science fiction, and verbage reminiscient > more of the religious philosophical writings of Eastern clerics than > it is of sound engineering. My apologies to Eastern clerics, who make > more sense than some cable ads do! > > Save your money to get your Naakmichi fixed or to buy blank tapes -- > or more cool gear. > > A good cable needs to satisfy only these few requirements: > > 1. Low series resistance. The less the better. > > 2. Low reactance, capacitive and inductive, otherwise the calbe > becomes a filter or interacts unfavorably with other reactive > components in the system (transformers, crossovers, speaker drivers). > Capacitance should be, ideally, zero. Less than 30 pF per foot is > excellent. 30 to 50 pF is mediocre. 50 to 100 pF is poor. More than > 100 pF is in effect a filter. > > 3. Effective shielding, if a line cable. > > 4. Durability. > > 5. Matched characteristic impedance, though not really needed for > audio cables, and not worth trying to determine, unless you are > dealing with VERY long cable runs in high interference environments > such as those in ENG situations or live sporting event broadcasts. > > SKIN EFFECT occurs only at radio frequencies or at audio frequencies > ONLY in conditions of very high amperage. Your speaker cables do not > exhibit skin effect (except in dubious, highly controlled, lab > environments) BUT the overhead power transmission lines carrying 50 or > 60 hz AC power from the generating plant to your home DOES because of > the extreme amperage. The practical effect of skin effect is to > increase series resistance. Period. That's all there is to it. The > cure, for audio purposes, is very low tech. Use a bigger gauge wire. > End of silly game. > > Some cable ads purport that because of skin effect the signal > travelling on the surface arrives at a different time than the signal > travelling deep within the cable. Time delay. Electricity travels at > nearly the speed of light through wire. Any wire. Anywhere. What time > delay? Even if it exists, it'd be virtually impossible to measure and > would be on the order of a few "ticks" of a cesium atomic clock for a > cable hundreds of feet long. Somehow, I'm not worried. > > Some cable ads purport that the high frequencies travel the thin > strands and the bass travels the thicker strands. A crossover in > effect. That doesn't even make good science fiction. > > Some cable ads wax lyrical over the exotic insulation they use. > Insulation affects capacitance only. So long as an insulation is > chosen that mimimizes capacitance you're OK. Unless you just want to > spend money on exotic insulation instead of blank tapes or cool > Nakamichi gear, don't sweat it. > > Make your OWN cable. Here's how: > > LINE CABLE: Buy any good balanced line cable. You read right. > two-conductor shielded. For this example, assume that it has one > conductor color coded WHITE, the other color coded BLACK, plus a > braided overall shield. Buy two good RCA plugs per cable. Solder WHITE > to the pins on both plugs, solder BLACK to the sleeves of both plugs > BUT solder the overall braid shield to ONLY one plug's sleeve. DO NOT > SOLDER the overall braid shield to the other plug's sleeve. This is a > construction used by studios known as a "shunt shield cable." > > WHEN YOU INSTALL THE LINE CABLE, be sure that the plug that has > overall braid shield soldered to it is connected to an INPUT jack on > your recorder or amplifier. The plug that DOES NOT HAVE the overall > braid shield soldered to it is connected to an OUTPUT jack on your > recorder or amplifier. THIS cable WILL make a difference in your > system -- but you cannot buy it anywhere (that I'm aware of)! All of > these high-cost "interconnect"' companies have missed it. > > SPEAKER CABLE: Two choices. [Choice 1.] Buy the biggest gauge > insulated stranded wire you can afford that will fit the connectors. > Pick two different colors of insulation for convenience. Do not twist > the two wires together, do not run them parallel "zip cord style" and > do not weave them together in any pattern. Lay them along side each > other, without being too neat. This virtually eliminates any > capacitive or inductive reactance, something that all the other > high-priced cables have! Yes, it is that easy. And please, do not > worry about laying them on carpet. Those cable elevators aren't > needed. [Choice 2.] Buy 1/8-inch or 1/4-inch copper tubing and stretch > insulation over it. This is the overkill approach. Even more overkill, > fill the tubing with liquid nitrogen and seal the ends to reduce > resistance. Ok, don't -- not worth the effort. > > N-Joy! > > > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Feb 3 14:55:10 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:55:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL maintenance Message-ID: <55.6c10f081.2f33873e@aol.com> Hi Jean, Hope you are fine! How much you want for your 700 zxl I have always have been a fan of the 700 zxl and I have one in mint condition , another one would be nice to have! What is wrong with the ones you have?! Let me together with a price with shipping to east coast. Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 16:15:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:15:07 +0200 Subject: FW: Re: FW: [naktalk] High end cables Message-ID: >From: "Orim at ispwest.com" >To: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl, jerryjg at webtv.net, >graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk >CC: alexcozac at hotmail.com >Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] High end cables >Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:41:30 -0800 > >Johan and Jerry, > >I understand the roots of your critique of the cable "industry". >There are many wrong things going on in the audio industry in general and >in the cable business in particular. >Oritek Audio hopefully is a ray of sunshine. >All my products (not all cables) are top notch quality with a serious >design engineer behind them and I will close the company before I sell >my soul to the "money God". I price the products for direct distribution - >which is no picnic! - and I'm determined to offer excellent value for >the cables and electronics. >You cannot assess the performance of my products unless you try, and >sometimes it's not convenient. But at the asking price for the X-1, >please consider it. If the Nak group can pick one person to evaluate >the X-1, I'll be glad to ship a pair with money back guaranty. >I can't offer money back to half the world, sorry for that... :-) > >The X-1 is not claimed to use any exotic material, cryo, single-crystal, >amorphous metal or coconut milk... I deliberately state in its description >that it is based on quality material, not "magic" ones. The performance >comes from clean implementation and mainly good geometry. >Sure you could build a low-capacitance cable in your kitchen, but can you >keep conductors in close proximity for symmetry and field cancellation? >It takes some work to do that, and then you have to finish it to look >nice (it's audio, guys!) and then you can relax and enjoy - unlike me, that >has to answer emails, issue orders, pack and ship products - and make a >living too. >I will not get rich at $159 for 1 meter pair, but I will make many people >happyI The X-1 cables don't "sound". They just do what cables are supposed >to do - let the audio through unaltered and reject anything else! >It's simple, but many cables don't do it right, because of the "voodoo" >approach, lack of knowledge of marketing BS ("hit a low price point"...) >Oritek will continue to operate under these set of directions, delivering >honest value at an entry level price! >I hope one day people will talk of Oritek Audio as "a different kind of >company". They should, because our slogan is "Breaking the sound Barrier!" >and we mean it - offer the average Joe a chance at dream sound, without >taking a second mortgage. >More to come... :-) > >Sincerely, > > > >Ori Mizrahi-Shalom >Oritek Audio > > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 16:38:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:38:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables Message-ID: Dear Bala! Thanks very heart fully for your honest & erudite opinion, I will do so...when he will be here and I will try his product...; of course will be very well informed! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] High end cables >Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:59:03 -0800 (PST) > > Alex puts his point through as delicately as ever. I >was once offered a pair of homemade cables by a tech >who services high grade tube amps. It cost me less >then 1/10th of my more expensive cables. Having >invested money in Audio Notes, Siltech, VdH, Audio >Plan and all..I was inclined to try this purely out of >friendship. Using it between my DAC and pre, I have to >say it really sounds nice. Bass is good, treble is >there. Considering the price of it, it actually does >produce a nice sound. I won't reject it >outright-seriously for someone on a budget, I would >heartily recommend it. The more expensive cables would >of course show vast improvements on top quality >equipment. After the initial listening, (which came >after a full fortnight of burn in with intermittent >rest periods), I find that these cables work quite >well with cassette decks, and that the unsmooth treble >helps the tame treble cassettes, especialy older >recordings, produce. > >Having gone through stacks of hype from cables >manufacturers and as put 'semi technical explanations >of voodoo breakthroughs' I am one guy who violently >rips the fancy packing open, let my gear violently rip >the qualty of the cables open. Factors to keep in mind >are the cost, construction( both external and >internal) and built. So explanations and marketing >aside, you have to give things a listen before making >decisions. There were people who told me Caigs Pro >Gold, WBT silver solder were hype and nonsense. I am >sure there are some gentlemen amongst us who know the >difference these prducts make. > >Surely, for a guy who knows how to choose an SP9 for a >preamp and McIntosh 78 tuner and has his Dragon >breathing hot in the middle east, he would definitely >know how to pick cables. Not simply being supportive >but taking into account all the factors before making >out an argument. > >B >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Lovely Gerald! > > > > He soon will visit his parents here in Israel, and > > he insure me that i will > > "Test" this product that he made, I will inform you > > my results! > > > > Have a nice working day, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] High end cables > > >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:43:00 -0600 > > > > > >Alex,my cute friend ,if you would get your head out > > of your ass long > > >enough to realize that nearly aLL CABLE utilize a > > "voodoo science" > > >totally defunct of all reasonable rationale(This i > > learned from the > > >RON,and i believe it!)maybe you would realise your > > good buddy really did > > >NOT create the missing link, unless of course he > > DID,in which case i > > >sincerely apologise.I dont doubt that his cables > > are sincerely great,but > > >i duly question whether they enjoin some dynamic > > principle from some " > > >string theory" principle or some some such thing- > > that would accelerate > > >the quantam mechanics of particle acceleration.Dear > > boy-sorry to be so > > >hard on you,because you know i love you, but I'm > > into a few very > > >irreverant websites (and i thought it might be OK > > to introduce this > > >{american?} element of chat into NAKTALK )that > > have recently discussed > > >aftermarket Auto engine Spark plug wires which(In > > correlation with the > > >Audio wires being purported to be superior for > > application eingeniering > > >with our Nakamichis )to show an amazing discrepancy > > between > > >eingeniieing jargon and actual fact. In > > basic,given all the > > >conflicting information;nothing can be decided for > > the actuall well > > >meaning consumer like myself(with little or no > > technical capabilities to > > >make a eduacated choice). Unless its' someone like > > TI from San > > >Jose{santa Clara?} ( of whom i would pretty much > > unquestioably be > > >delighted to recieve any piece of custom gear , > > should i be fortunate > > >enough to ever have the opportunity)who has well > > established design > > >philosophy and lengthy history of expalining the > > extremely technical > > >side of eingenieering in a appropriate format for > > some of us laypersons > > >from time to time.Alex? we love you bud, but Ive > > seen you attack without > > >provocation a few times so dont take it personal > > brother.Hey if im to > > >much off the wall with this,please, the moderater > > -give me warning and > > >like the Texas mist in the mid morning of late may- > > i will go away. > > > > > >thank you very much, > > >gerald > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > > Download today it's FREE! > > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jknows1 at mac.com Thu Feb 3 17:15:36 2005 From: jknows1 at mac.com (james knowles) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:15:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR 10 Message-ID: Anyone have a copy of an owners manual? Be happy to pay for. Thanks. James Knowles From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 17:59:24 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:59:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: QUAD ESL spares, restoration and upgrades In-Reply-To: <518b7b105020308562b990a5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b105020308562b990a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <518b7b105020308592089ac24@mail.gmail.com> Alex and Colin, The exact details of the German company are: Dr. Hirsch, Quad Musikwiedergabe GrnbH, Rheinstrasse 24, 56068 Koblenz, Germany. Telephone: +49 (0)261 38824 Fax: +49 (0)261 38172 Email: quad.ger at t-online.de www.quad-musik.de Quad's German supplier/service centre, stocking a good range of spares, but specifically for Esl's only. They even have the original diaphram tensioning frame previously used by Quad for drive panel manufacture. George From aouq38 at dsl.pipex.com Thu Feb 3 18:07:40 2005 From: aouq38 at dsl.pipex.com (Terry Allan) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:07:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: <009801c509e7$cb664620$0370893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1C7D5D22-7606-11D9-930A-0003933EDD52@dsl.pipex.com> Naim Audio has always claimed that DIN plugs are superior when used with Naim equipment. Since the most modern Naim equipment has both types of connection people can make their own choice. Naim equipment is designed with specific cables in mind and so impedance, capacitance etc are real issues for people like me who run Naim-based systems (CDS2/XPS/82/Supercap/250). I fear that is is real folly to make overly general statements about cables in relation to HiFi equipment. Since it is really off-topic I won't engage further in the discussion of cables beyond this post. I would like to say however that I am an electronics engineer by academic training and I know that I cannot fully explain the 'cable-based phenomena' which many of us experience. I find it reasonable to state that man cannot explain all scientific phenomena. Unexplainable observations with my Naim systems include: 1 Repeatedly 'reversing' my Snaic cable and noting the significant directional influence of the cable - not explainable from impedance etc. 2 Changing my NACA5 for other speaker cables and noting the significant qualitative changes in the sound - probably explainable from capacitance etc. 3 Installation of dedicated mains (electrical supply) with separate 6mm twin and earth mains cables for each component in my HiFi system - each running back to a separate RCBO in the consumer unit - resulted in interesting observations about the effect the supply and cables have on the sound quality and the soundstage. Don't ask me to explain it. Lots of people talk about cable burn in and try to provide scientific explanations about the interesting changes which take place when new power supply cables are introduced into a system. I just listen to the changes and decide what I like. In concIusion I do notice the qualitative differences that cables (power supply, interconnects, speaker) make - and they are easy to demonstrate. If I switch my system back and fore from the normal house mains supply to my dedicated mains supply simple imaging effects are noticed (in addition to qualitative sound differences). For example a voice can be made to image three feet higher from the same source through the same system. Again I say don't ask me why. I can however show you. It is a bit like the complex explanation which would be necessary to explain why supports are so important to the sound of a system. With a Naim component all you need to do is put a cushion under the component to destroy the sound quality, soften the bass etc. Again easy to demonstrate but not to explain. ......and yes I am sane and I lurk here all the time reading and learning about Naks. I have an RX-505E which is superb and is used as often as my CDS2 and my Rega Planar 25. It never ceases to amaze me. Dynamic range is incredible. I also have a DR-2 which has to sit there quietly and seldom gets used. At the moment I buy more pre-recorded tapes from Charity Shops and other sources than new Vinyl or CDs. Best wishes Terry On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Nelson wrote: > Also interesting to note that Naim held on to using DIN plugs rather > than > RCA. I wonder if that was a marketing ploy ("differential") or if they > genuinely feel there is an advantage in using DIN plugs over RCA ... > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Terry Allan >> Sent: 03 February 2005 11:48 >> To: Berserik, J.E.; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables >> >> >> Cable Talk >> This is guaranteed to start 'a war of words'. Clearly one cannot make >> general statements like this at a technical level. Naim amps have for >> example specific requirements for cabling otherwise there is a danger >> amplifier stability. At the level of identification of 'audible >> differences between cables' it is also unwise to be so dogmatic. >> Best wishes >> Terry >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 3 17:58:17 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:58:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables- - For Michael and Kermit In-Reply-To: <42022EEC.1000808@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <00bc01c50a11$8f063e40$0370893e@oemcomputer> I quite agree. I also recommend you have a look through the archives, Michael, to find some of the previous debates on cabling, noting especially the posts by Ron. One might not always have agreed with Ron but his views could not be ignored, especially when it came to distilling the issue of cabling and plugs down to pure physics! He used to maintain that, if two cables have identical specs in terms of capacitance, resistance and inductance, they would sound the same regardless of cost, and any differences heard would probably be imagined, and not heard at all if they were subject to a double blind test. (If anyone doubts blind testing, have a look through the Archives at a posting I reproduced from another site about a sighted and blind test done using identical speakers in different coloured cabinets ...) Ron was no great fan of some of the expensive exotic RCA plugs, either. I think I recall his view was that just about any RCA plug would do provided it fitted tightly and gave a good contact. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Michael Moore > Sent: 03 February 2005 14:02 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables--For Kermit > > > Your recent posts on microphones for Naks and now cables are superb. > Thank you so much for this practical, usable, advice. > Mike > Atlanta, GA > > > From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Thu Feb 3 18:35:23 2005 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:35:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] RE: 700 ZXL's for sale Message-ID: <13d.c1e5eea.2f33badb@aol.com> Hi everyone: I am going on a trip but will have a detailed listing and description of the machines ( 3 units) for sale upon my return in 2 weeks. Sincerely, Jean-Pierre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the difference I hear is (pardon my layman's terms) best described as greater depth and realism. There's a way in which the full range of frequencies from a given instrument or voice seem knitted together, like the bass strings of the guitar are somehow connected, harmonizing with the higher strings, you can really tell it all comes from one instrument, rather than separate speaker drivers. The instruments each sound distinct and unified over their whole frequency range. Individual sounds also sound incredibly natural, with a kind of cluster of over-tones and rings that give them breath and depth, a sense of the room or the air in which they're playing. Anyway, it was (is) a very educational and inspiring experience. Gave me new appreciation of the 80's technology that is my hi-fi and still more contempt for the bad commerical recordings that so often are rushed out. What a waste of musician's labor, talent and skill... thanks again, Kermit. best to all, Fred From salimarz at telkom.net Thu Feb 3 22:11:43 2005 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:11:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] End of Quantegy Message-ID: <001301c50a34$ff4227f0$6401a8c0@aisha> Has this been posted before ? Quantegy, the last remaining US manufacturer of analog tape for recording studios has gone bankrupt... http://www.rollingstone.com/news/st...gion=mainRegion Was it really the last US mfg ... meaning Ampex already dead for a long time ? SM From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Feb 3 23:42:25 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:42:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables- - For Michael and Kermit In-Reply-To: <00bc01c50a11$8f063e40$0370893e@oemcomputer> References: <42022EEC.1000808@bellsouth.net> <00bc01c50a11$8f063e40$0370893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203173756.01aa2908@psulias.psu.edu> About the only thing I insist on is a gold plated plug and a sturdy coating. Usually get Rat Shack "high-end" cables. Only problem with them is that the RCA plugs are nearly impossible to get in and out because they are so tight. But, I guess that means they are well connected. :) The only expensive pair of cables I got are my Esoteric Audio speaker wires (not THAT expensive really) which are about the heft of those cable bike locks. I did have some pair of high end cables I got on close out and the damn things actually shorted out and blew one of my tweeters! That was the last dime I put into anything better than Rat Shak. At 11:58 AM 2/3/2005, you wrote: >I quite agree. I also recommend you have a look through the archives, >Michael, to find some of the previous debates on cabling, noting especially >the posts by Ron. One might not always have agreed with Ron but his views >could not be ignored, especially when it came to distilling the issue of >cabling and plugs down to pure physics! He used to maintain that, if two >cables have identical specs in terms of capacitance, resistance and >inductance, they would sound the same regardless of cost, and any >differences heard would probably be imagined, and not heard at all if they >were subject to a double blind test. (If anyone doubts blind testing, have >a look through the Archives at a posting I reproduced from another site >about a sighted and blind test done using identical speakers in different >coloured cabinets ...) Ron was no great fan of some of the expensive >exotic RCA plugs, either. I think I recall his view was that just about any >RCA plug would do provided it fitted tightly and gave a good contact. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Michael Moore > > Sent: 03 February 2005 14:02 > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables--For Kermit > > > > > > Your recent posts on microphones for Naks and now cables are superb. > > Thank you so much for this practical, usable, advice. > > Mike > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 3 23:36:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:36:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables In-Reply-To: <1C7D5D22-7606-11D9-930A-0003933EDD52@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <011c01c50a40$df3f9d00$0370893e@oemcomputer> Some of you may recall my experience with some home made cables. When they burnt in they kind of snapped into focus but they were awful if I reversed them. However, if I left them in reverse, after a few hours they would snap back into focus, is if re-burnt in. Now was that my ears or my brain? Psychology teaches us we see, hear and smell what we think we are going to see, hear and smell, not necessarily what is actually there. A friend of mine on another list used to be (like me) a market researcher. A well known speaker maker received complaints from their hard-bitten dealers than some of their revised speaker range was causing problems - i.e. the sound was different depending on the colour of the cabinets. They gave a sample of respondents a sighted trial. Sure enough, the data showed the respondents consistently preferring the sound from speakers particular colour cabinets and disliking the sound from some other coloured cabinets. They then put the speakers of all colours behind a screen. Guess what? The respondents were then not able to distinguish any differences between the speakers regardless of the colours of their cabinets. If we buy a new component we anticipate hearing a different sound. As like as not we will, whether there is one or not. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Terry Allan > Sent: 03 February 2005 17:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables > > > Naim Audio has always claimed that DIN plugs are superior when used > with Naim equipment. Since the most modern Naim equipment has both > types of connection people can make their own choice. Naim equipment > is designed with specific cables in mind and so impedance, capacitance > etc are real issues for people like me who run Naim-based systems > (CDS2/XPS/82/Supercap/250). I fear that is is real folly to make > overly general statements about cables in relation to HiFi equipment. > > Since it is really off-topic I won't engage further in the discussion > of cables beyond this post. I would like to say however that I am an > electronics engineer by academic training and I know that I cannot > fully explain the 'cable-based phenomena' which many of us experience. > I find it reasonable to state that man cannot explain all scientific > phenomena. > > Unexplainable observations with my Naim systems include: > 1 Repeatedly 'reversing' my Snaic cable and noting the significant > directional influence of the cable - not explainable from impedance etc. > 2 Changing my NACA5 for other speaker cables and noting the significant > qualitative changes in the sound - probably explainable from > capacitance etc. > 3 Installation of dedicated mains (electrical supply) with separate 6mm > twin and earth mains cables for each component in my HiFi system - each > running back to a separate RCBO in the consumer unit - resulted in > interesting observations about the effect the supply and cables have on > the sound quality and the soundstage. Don't ask me to explain it. > Lots of people talk about cable burn in and try to provide scientific > explanations about the interesting changes which take place when new > power supply cables are introduced into a system. I just listen to the > changes and decide what I like. > > In concIusion I do notice the qualitative differences that cables > (power supply, interconnects, speaker) make - and they are easy to > demonstrate. If I switch my system back and fore from the normal house > mains supply to my dedicated mains supply simple imaging effects are > noticed (in addition to qualitative sound differences). For example a > voice can be made to image three feet higher from the same source > through the same system. Again I say don't ask me why. I can however > show you. > > It is a bit like the complex explanation which would be necessary to > explain why supports are so important to the sound of a system. With a > Naim component all you need to do is put a cushion under the component > to destroy the sound quality, soften the bass etc. Again easy to > demonstrate but not to explain. > > ......and yes I am sane and I lurk here all the time reading and > learning about Naks. I have an RX-505E which is superb and is used as > often as my CDS2 and my Rega Planar 25. It never ceases to amaze me. > Dynamic range is incredible. I also have a DR-2 which has to sit there > quietly and seldom gets used. At the moment I buy more pre-recorded > tapes from Charity Shops and other sources than new Vinyl or CDs. > > Best wishes > > Terry > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 4 02:41:56 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:41:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon Resource page version 0.001 Message-ID: <4202D2E4.6050405@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, I've begun setting up a page of information to help those in the Nakathon, or for anyone wanting to better their stereo. Right now, it has only my DIY cable and an improved file describing the DIY tube/valve preamplifier (added info on modifying the preamp plus got rid of the legal gobbledy gook -- lawyers do not seem to understand the meaning of "free info"). http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html Let me know what else you'd like to see and I'll get it put up on the site. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 4 02:51:33 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:51:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones Message-ID: <4202D525.5050608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, Been having ongoing trouble with my evil non-Nakamichi scanner. I have the brochure of the Naamichi mics and I am anxious to share them with the group. I need a volunteer: would someone (within the United States) who has a good scanner (and can make very good scans) be willing to scan the brochure into a PDF for me, then send a copy of the PDF to Scott and to anyone else who has a Nakamichi web site? I'll mail the brochure to you Monday. Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 4 06:46:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:46:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon Resource Page, updated Message-ID: <42030C38.8060606@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, I've begun setting up a page of information to help those in the Nakathon, or for anyone wanting to better their stereo. It featurs my DIY cable and an improved file describing the DIY tube/valve preamplifier PLUS tonight, thanks to insomnia: Just added are some good technical articles that will introduce you to the basics of recording. Some of the articles I've written - hastily -- but now you won't need to wade through a CD of hundreds of files or through conflicting web sites. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html Let me know what else you'd like to see and I'll get it put up on the site. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From sie28873 at lycos.com Fri Feb 4 02:22:11 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:22:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs MR-1 Message-ID: <20050204012211.1EA2A86B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks for the useful tip. Now to take the first bite into this project. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: sie28873 at lycos.com Subject: BX-300 vs. MR-1 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:09:59 -0800 (PST) > > I really like the MR-1 better than the BX-300. You should get a MR-1 > and use the BX-300 for parts for the it instead of the other way > around. The highier resolution meter are nice. The lack of standard > RCA I/Os can be taken care of with a set of RCA to 1/4" adapters from > Radio Shack. The only bummer is the lack of front panel mounted Bias > Control. And if you get an MR-1 with a small white dot on the bottom > cover (MR-1B) then it is already modified and tuned for the newer > IEC-2 standard and compatible with all the other decks out. > > SJ > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > Scott, > > Thanks for the info. As it is the mircoprocessor chip and dolby > > chip I am hoping to take > > off the MR-1, would these be different from the ones on the BX300 - > > noting that you say "The mainboard is probably slightly different". > > Robert The major differences are the I/O connectors on the back. MR-1 was > > NR loop In/Outs. It also has 1/4" unbalanced I/O's and balanced > > XLR > > I/O's. There is also a balanced 1/4" Input on the front where the > > master fader control is. The meter board on the MR-1 is different. > > The segments are horizontal instead of vertical and contain 50% > > more > > steps. Bias fine tune is not on the MR-1. > > > > Everything else is basically the same. The transport is identical. > > The circuitry is nearly identical. The mainboard is probably > > slightly different. > > > > SJ > > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > > > I decided I would go the route of repairing my BX300 through > > > cannabalising a MR-1 only because it may become available. > > Ideally, a kaput > > > BX300 would be more ideal as an exact match for spares. > > > > > > In what way is the MR-1 identical to the BX300 or should I ask > > > where should I expect them to defer mechanically and electrically > > aside from > > > cosmetics? > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > I have Dolby chips, but, sadly no micro. I have a MR-1 > > (basically > > > the same as the BX-300) that needs the micro as well. A couple > > > years > > > ago I tried to get one from Nak USA and kept getting, Oh, it's > > back > > > ordered and we don't have an ETA. I did get a price though, > > > $23.01. That was back in May of 2002 when Patty was there. I > > tried from > > > March to May and then gave up. > > > > > > I'm not sure if the micro is shared with the BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, > > > BX-125, BX-150 or MR-2. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > > > > > Had a major problem with my BX300. A repairer I go to says it > > > has > > > > a blown dolby ic chip and micro-processor chip. Doubtful > > these > > > > chips can still be > purchased from Nakamichi - my repairer say > > > > > no. Sounds like I > > > > have to scrouge around for a broken BX300 or BX300 circuit > > board. > > > > > > > Anyone happen > chance to have one or the other or do in fact > > > have a source for > > > > them? > > > > Robert > > > -- ________ > > -- _______________________________________________ > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dbauer45 at comcast.net Fri Feb 4 04:12:39 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:12:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High end cables References: <1C7D5D22-7606-11D9-930A-0003933EDD52@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <007401c50a67$62a4e490$c901a8c0@cn593434a> I will add my two cents for consideration. I will start by saying that I am in line with those of you who look down on cable hype as pure marketing over exhuberance. I too have a few spiffy cables that do nothing more than look nice after the dust is blown off of them. Consider this; With so many companies claiming to improve audio reproduction by using their very expensive cables, why not try to sell me by demonstrating cables that completely murder the sound? It should be very easy to make crappy sounding cables. Make a few and send them to me and then I will be convinced that cables matter. Having said that, I have one audio system setup that is in line-of-sight to a police radio tower. The system is subject to picking up RF noise through the airwaves. I tried many different kinds of interconnect cables between my Rowland coherence preamp and model 1 amps and finally settled on the the ones with the best shielding. These DID make a difference, but the difference is in noise rejection. End of my two cents. Enjoy the music. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Allan" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables > Naim Audio has always claimed that DIN plugs are superior when used > with Naim equipment. Since the most modern Naim equipment has both > types of connection people can make their own choice. Naim equipment > is designed with specific cables in mind and so impedance, capacitance > etc are real issues for people like me who run Naim-based systems > (CDS2/XPS/82/Supercap/250). I fear that is is real folly to make > overly general statements about cables in relation to HiFi equipment. > > Since it is really off-topic I won't engage further in the discussion > of cables beyond this post. I would like to say however that I am an > electronics engineer by academic training and I know that I cannot > fully explain the 'cable-based phenomena' which many of us experience. > I find it reasonable to state that man cannot explain all scientific > phenomena. > > Unexplainable observations with my Naim systems include: > 1 Repeatedly 'reversing' my Snaic cable and noting the significant > directional influence of the cable - not explainable from impedance etc. > 2 Changing my NACA5 for other speaker cables and noting the significant > qualitative changes in the sound - probably explainable from > capacitance etc. > 3 Installation of dedicated mains (electrical supply) with separate 6mm > twin and earth mains cables for each component in my HiFi system - each > running back to a separate RCBO in the consumer unit - resulted in > interesting observations about the effect the supply and cables have on > the sound quality and the soundstage. Don't ask me to explain it. > Lots of people talk about cable burn in and try to provide scientific > explanations about the interesting changes which take place when new > power supply cables are introduced into a system. I just listen to the > changes and decide what I like. > > In concIusion I do notice the qualitative differences that cables > (power supply, interconnects, speaker) make - and they are easy to > demonstrate. If I switch my system back and fore from the normal house > mains supply to my dedicated mains supply simple imaging effects are > noticed (in addition to qualitative sound differences). For example a > voice can be made to image three feet higher from the same source > through the same system. Again I say don't ask me why. I can however > show you. > > It is a bit like the complex explanation which would be necessary to > explain why supports are so important to the sound of a system. With a > Naim component all you need to do is put a cushion under the component > to destroy the sound quality, soften the bass etc. Again easy to > demonstrate but not to explain. > > ......and yes I am sane and I lurk here all the time reading and > learning about Naks. I have an RX-505E which is superb and is used as > often as my CDS2 and my Rega Planar 25. It never ceases to amaze me. > Dynamic range is incredible. I also have a DR-2 which has to sit there > quietly and seldom gets used. At the moment I buy more pre-recorded > tapes from Charity Shops and other sources than new Vinyl or CDs. > > Best wishes > > Terry > > > > On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Nelson wrote: > > > Also interesting to note that Naim held on to using DIN plugs rather > > than > > RCA. I wonder if that was a marketing ploy ("differential") or if they > > genuinely feel there is an advantage in using DIN plugs over RCA ... > > > > Gra' > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> Behalf Of Terry Allan > >> Sent: 03 February 2005 11:48 > >> To: Berserik, J.E.; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] High end cables > >> > >> > >> Cable Talk > >> This is guaranteed to start 'a war of words'. Clearly one cannot make > >> general statements like this at a technical level. Naim amps have for > >> example specific requirements for cabling otherwise there is a danger > >> amplifier stability. At the level of identification of 'audible > >> differences between cables' it is also unwise to be so dogmatic. > >> Best wishes > >> Terry > >> > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 11:12:43 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:12:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon Resource page version 0.001 In-Reply-To: <4202D2E4.6050405@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050204101243.34015.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Thats really a great effort! Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Fellow Nakkers, I've begun setting up a page of information to help those in the Nakathon, or for anyone wanting to better their stereo. Right now, it has only my DIY cable and an improved file describing the DIY tube/valve preamplifier (added info on modifying the preamp plus got rid of the legal gobbledy gook -- lawyers do not seem to understand the meaning of "free info"). http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html Let me know what else you'd like to see and I'll get it put up on the site. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Feb 4 12:50:51 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 06:50:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones In-Reply-To: <4202D525.5050608@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4202D525.5050608@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4203619B.6050703@cox.net> I can do that, Kermit. I'm in Virginia, contact me offline if you wish my help. Tim timbarrett at cox.net Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > Been having ongoing trouble with my evil non-Nakamichi scanner. I have > the brochure of the Naamichi mics and I am anxious to share them with > the group. > > I need a volunteer: would someone (within the United States) who has a > good scanner (and can make very good scans) be willing to scan the > brochure into a PDF for me, then send a copy of the PDF to Scott and > to anyone else who has a Nakamichi web site? I'll mail the brochure to > you Monday. > > Thanks! > From britri at comcast.net Fri Feb 4 20:18:23 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:18:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4203CA7F.7060201@comcast.net> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Michael, There is NO! alternative to Nakamichi High Quality! Sorry! > my friend they are THE BEST!!! together with Revox B 710 and 715, if > you dont like these machines you wont like anything! > > Best Regards! > Ali > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Besides creating one of the best tuners the world has seen, The Tandberg 3014a deck is quite on par with the best Nak and, has the most beautiful, functional, accessible cassette well I have ever seen. 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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:20:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] high end Cables for NAkdeck Message-ID: <12204-4203CB07-348@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net> I would like to thank Bala for his post providing a very rationale explanation about cables.Yes i agree,and i dont wanna stray off topic,but these are the wires for the Nak decks,that esteemed Alex certainly has a good basis in discriminating tastes for his friends cables.Alex must know i was poking fun ,and that i would like to try his friends cables,because i am not about to try and make my own,although i wish i could.His frned sent what is ,to me, a very reasonable and persuasive argument in support of his wires.I don't wanna "open a can of worms" as we yanks say,but i ust recieved my brand new PANAMAX 5100 Power conditioner a few days ago,and some of you may well recall that some of the Nakkers thought that Power surge unit was not ncessary,although most agreed it couldnt hurt.OK,im going to go hunt groundhogs so that they wont see thier shadow-maybe it will stay winter all year long?The Texas summer is unbearable,and as a japaese friend might say,even "unbeaverable". From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 4 23:03:15 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:03:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Music database? Message-ID: I am archiving my record collection and cataloguing at the same time. do any of you guys know of a music database That I can access on line and get the contents of say an LP so I can cut and paste it into my catalogue to save all that typing!! I know there are databases for music recorded on cd, I have automatically accessed them while ripping cd,s, but I cant find one for records. This isn't really Nak related but I suppose I am archiving on my Nak! Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 6 00:48:27 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:48:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <4203CA7F.7060201@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004101c50bdd$301b4a60$4fec4c51@oemcomputer> I don't mean to be contradictory but (have to repeat myself here) I recall Carlos MEASURING the recording o/p of his Dragon against his Revox B215 and his Tandberg. The latter two gave a flatter (i.e. more accurate) response than the Dragon. I.e. they recorded better than a Dragon. HOWEVER, the Dragon replayed better than the other two. So, he used to record mostly with the Revox and replay using the Dragon. Also, adjustable azimuth doesn't bring an old dull tape back to life in replay. For that, you can't touch a Pioneer with FLEX. So, IMHO, Nak' cassette decks cannot be said to be best in ALL respects. And then ... it also depends on which model you're talking about ... not all Nak's are as good as each other ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stocker Sent: 04 February 2005 19:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Michael, There is NO! alternative to Nakamichi High Quality! Sorry! my friend they are THE BEST!!! together with Revox B 710 and 715, if you dont like these machines you wont like anything! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Feb 6 01:26:41 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:26:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: <8a.1ff748cf.2f36be41@aol.com> LOL @ Brain! Brain thaks for your brainer! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 6 02:14:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <4203CA7F.7060201@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050206011404.53345.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Brian, Yes i have to agree. The Tandberg, along with the Revox were very good decks alongside the Naks. As mentioned by another member, the Revox had some problems with its mechanics. The Tandberg I think was quite expensive also. However, having heard both the Revoxes and Tandbergs, I agree they par close to the Naks. And the Revoxes, they have their own following.. B Brian Stocker wrote: BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Michael, There is NO! alternative to Nakamichi High Quality! Sorry! my friend they are THE BEST!!! together with Revox B 710 and 715, if you dont like these machines you wont like anything! Best Regards! Ali --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Besides creating one of the best tuners the world has seen, The Tandberg 3014a deck is quite on par with the best Nak and, has the most beautiful, functional, accessible cassette well I have ever seen. It is also a great, non japanese looking deck. crouching with arms protecting face/head ;) Brian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Feb 6 02:49:41 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:49:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] Music database? Message-ID: <64.4e41437c.2f36d1b5@aol.com> Unfortunately I can't help you but I'd be interested in the results of your search. Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Feb 6 02:44:10 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:44:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon Resource web site update... Message-ID: <4205766A.8060802@woods-and-waters.com> Felllow Nakkers, I just added a new file about microphone choices: http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/selectingmics.html The web site is http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html N-Joy! (More DIY projects will be added next weekend.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From jchoroszucha at msn.com Sun Feb 6 05:22:28 2005 From: jchoroszucha at msn.com (Jan Choroszucha) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:22:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 125,CR2A Message-ID: I was wondering which is considered a better built unit a BX 125 or a CR2A? or a BX1? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 05:29:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:29:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Bravo...Ali! Lovely and very concise response! ALEX! >From: Brian Stocker >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:18:23 -0800 > >BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > >>Michael, There is NO! alternative to Nakamichi High Quality! Sorry! my >>friend they are THE BEST!!! together with Revox B 710 and 715, if you dont >>like these machines you wont like anything! >> Best Regards! >>Ali >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Besides creating one of the best tuners the world has seen, The Tandberg >3014a deck is quite on par with the best Nak and, has the most beautiful, >functional, accessible cassette well I have ever seen. It is also a great, >non japanese looking deck. > >crouching with arms protecting face/head ;) > >Brian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From sybarito at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 06:19:35 2005 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:19:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MX-100 for sale!!!! Message-ID: Hi guys!!!!! I am selling a Nakamichi MX-100...it is really nice and in perfect condition...I haven't use it so you can say it is new. No original box.... If anyone is interested please contact me personally to fidelman at telcel.net.ve Regards Isy _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Feb 6 18:26:26 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:26:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Vhs/Betamax Tape in hi-fi application. Message-ID: <4521-42065342-31@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> hi,i am toying with the idea of introducing either a Betamax(i have 2 nice units),or a nice older German tank of a JVC super hI-Fi stereoVHS into my system,next to the Nak.I have recieved reports of some excellent quality sound from these units.I horded some nice tapes also.Can anyone say what the best VHS tape of all time was/is?..Kodak perhaps? How about the best tape available right now? I imagine the supply of excellent Video tape is diminishing as well.Also-i have a free BETAMAX unit (actually,i paid 5 dollars for it),that needs repair-i left my coat over the ventholes and went to sleep.It was a newly acquired unit, it looks very good,and but i did not get a chance to test any other functions.It weighs a lot so shipping wont be cheap.This for those of you techs able to root around in there and get it going.I'm sure it woud be worth the effort,as these old ones never really die,they just fade away.It has audio/video in and outputs,although Mono.Theres a very nice website detaiing care and tune up of older vcr's.Its easy to find by typing in "how to fx a VCR" into search, think. thank you very much, gerald From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 14:20:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:20:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Shalom Gra' I think that Ali mean the Better Ones, NOT the cheaper 2 heads models, or I'm wrong? ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:48:27 -0000 > >I don't mean to be contradictory but (have to repeat myself here) I recall >Carlos MEASURING the recording o/p of his Dragon against his Revox B215 and >his Tandberg. The latter two gave a flatter (i.e. more accurate) response >than the Dragon. I.e. they recorded better than a Dragon. HOWEVER, the >Dragon replayed better than the other two. So, he used to record mostly >with the Revox and replay using the Dragon. > >Also, adjustable azimuth doesn't bring an old dull tape back to life in >replay. For that, you can't touch a Pioneer with FLEX. So, IMHO, Nak' >cassette decks cannot be said to be best in ALL respects. And then ... it >also depends on which model you're talking about ... not all Nak's are as >good as each other ... > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Brian Stocker > Sent: 04 February 2005 19:18 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Michael, There is NO! alternative to Nakamichi High Quality! Sorry! >my friend they are THE BEST!!! together with Revox B 710 and 715, if you >dont like these machines you wont like anything! > > Best Regards! > Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 14:22:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:22:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MX-100 for sale!!!! Message-ID: Shalom Isy! It's superb hearing that you are alive again! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Isy Fidelman" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MX-100 for sale!!!! >Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:19:35 +0000 > >Hi guys!!!!! > >I am selling a Nakamichi MX-100...it is really nice and in perfect >condition...I haven't use it so you can say it is new. No original box.... > >If anyone is interested please contact me personally to >fidelman at telcel.net.ve > >Regards > >Isy > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.com/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From s.manship at tiscali.co.uk Sun Feb 6 16:42:46 2005 From: s.manship at tiscali.co.uk (Stephen Manship) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:42:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Music database? Message-ID: For an online music database, try discogs at www.discogs.com They used to be electronicly biased, but are now all genres. You can import your collection as an Excel document. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 19:21:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:21:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Vhs/Betamax Tape in hi-fi application. Message-ID: Shalom Gerald! Last year I changed my venerable JVC VHS video, by for my first time an Stereo 6 heads HI-FI Toshiba...I tried hooked for a week in my ARC SP-9/2 Control unit, using Super High Grade Fuji VHS PAL system 3 hour cassette, and the sound was magnificent! Beta never I own....so I cant' tell you! After that week I received my current in use Nakamichi Dragon, so the Toshiba video...was connected to my Stereo Sony 29 Inch TV...and remain there...! No more essays! ALEX! >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Vhs/Betamax Tape in hi-fi application. >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:26:26 -0600 > >hi,i am toying with the idea of introducing either a Betamax(i have 2 >nice units),or a nice older German tank of a JVC super hI-Fi stereoVHS >into my system,next to the Nak.I have recieved reports of some excellent >quality sound from these units.I horded some nice tapes also.Can anyone >say what the best VHS tape of all time was/is?..Kodak perhaps? How about >the best tape available right now? I imagine the supply of excellent >Video tape is diminishing as well.Also-i have a free BETAMAX unit >(actually,i paid 5 dollars for it),that needs repair-i left my coat over >the ventholes and went to sleep.It was a newly acquired unit, it looks >very good,and but i did not get a chance to test any other functions.It >weighs a lot so shipping wont be cheap.This for those of you techs able >to root around in there and get it going.I'm sure it woud be worth the >effort,as these old ones never really die,they just fade away.It has >audio/video in and outputs,although Mono.Theres a very nice website >detaiing care and tune up of older vcr's.Its easy to find by typing in >"how to fx a VCR" into search, think. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Feb 7 13:09:26 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:09:26 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Hello everyone. Message-ID: <20050207120926.13769.qmail@web40610.mail.yahoo.com> I've owned an RX-202E for about 15 months and am about to get an RX-505E as well. Does anyone know if there are still playback heads available to buy as spares for the RX-505? I've tried Bowker and Wilkins in the UK and they have the PB/REC head for the RX-202 but no longer have the playback head for the RX-505. Is the RX-505 one of the Naks with now irreplaceable heads? I've written to Nak USA, and I guess next step would be Nak Japan. It'd be great if someone could shed some light on this. God these units give amazing sound. Happy listening everyone! Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Feb 7 16:54:27 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:54:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape, CD, LP Source Message-ID: <000f01c50d2d$4e21e220$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Stephen, Interersting website....thanks for the post. One of the links I found there was even more interesting. They have out of print LPs, CDs, and Tapes for all genres: http://www.memorylanerecords.com/ Robert Kent Stephen wrote: For an online music database, try discogs at www.discogs.com They used to be electronicly biased, but are now all genres. You can import your collection as an Excel document. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Feb 7 17:11:28 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:11:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Hello everyone. In-Reply-To: <20050207120926.13769.qmail@web40610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050207161128.18545.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I have a quanity of complete, used 505 Transports Any offers before they hit Ebay?? Terry. Iain McGhee wrote: I've owned an RX-202E for about 15 months and am about to get an RX-505E as well. Does anyone know if there are still playback heads available to buy as spares for the RX-505? I've tried Bowker and Wilkins in the UK and they have the PB/REC head for the RX-202 but no longer have the playback head for the RX-505. Is the RX-505 one of the Naks with now irreplaceable heads? I've written to Nak USA, and I guess next step would be Nak Japan. It'd be great if someone could shed some light on this. God these units give amazing sound. Happy listening everyone! Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 8 01:36:13 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ITD Chrome In-Reply-To: <000f01c50d2d$4e21e220$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <000e01c50d76$3136bca0$e3d64c51@oemcomputer> Anyone heard of this tape? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 7 17:07:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c50d2f$2ffa8b60$5f8b4c51@oemcomputer> Hi Alex Well, I'd put my 3-head Pioneer and its FLEX circuit up against ANY Nak for replaying an old, faded cassette ... Even NAAC can't cater for this. <> Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 06 February 2005 13:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Shalom Gra' > > I think that Ali mean the Better Ones, NOT the cheaper 2 heads models, or > I'm wrong? > > ALEX! > > > From paulkoo at comcast.net Tue Feb 8 00:17:25 2005 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:17:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Message-ID: <020720052317.14792.4207F70500000A97000039C82206998499010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> I know the zeiss cloth since I too been provided by my optician with them. The are find for dry dusting but not very absorbent. The 3M microfiber cloth is good with light spray cleaners. I have used it on my CR-7 with great results. Low static, great for polishing! Paul > Dear Paul! > > My optician provide me withy 2 "Micro fiber" from Zeiss... will be good also > for my Dragon? > > Thanks, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: paulkoo at comcast.net > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks > >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:29:24 +0000 > > > >Have you tried the microfiber cleaning cloth from 3M. You will be surprise > >that older is not better. > > > >Paul > > > > > > > Hello, fellow Nakkers! > > > > > > I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied with > > > most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, > > > that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! The > > > last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd like > > > to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet and > > > faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth was > > > also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. > > > > > > Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be > > > purchased? > > > > > > Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette tape > > > known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place > > > called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > -- > > > Kermit Gray > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > USA > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 8 10:30:11 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:30:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Shalom Gra' If "Those" faded old cassettes were recorded with Dolby "B"...any deck switched to "Dolby NR OFF or Disable...will sound better, maybe more brilliant...I'm wrong? ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:56 -0000 > >Hi Alex > >Well, I'd put my 3-head Pioneer and its FLEX circuit up against ANY Nak for >replaying an old, faded cassette ... Even NAAC can't cater for this. ><> > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 06 February 2005 13:20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > I think that Ali mean the Better Ones, NOT the cheaper 2 heads models, >or > > I'm wrong? > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 8 10:34:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:34:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks Message-ID: Shalom Paul! OK...I will look forward, trying to find here in Israel such Scotch 3M Micro fiber cloth! Thanks so much! ALEX! >From: paulkoo at comcast.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks >Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:17:25 +0000 > >I know the zeiss cloth since I too been provided by my optician with them. >The are find for dry dusting but not very absorbent. The 3M microfiber >cloth is good with light spray cleaners. I have used it on my CR-7 with >great results. Low static, great for polishing! > >Paul > > > > Dear Paul! > > > > My optician provide me withy 2 "Micro fiber" from Zeiss... will be good >also > > for my Dragon? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: paulkoo at comcast.net > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Seeking TLC supplies for Naks > > >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:29:24 +0000 > > > > > >Have you tried the microfiber cleaning cloth from 3M. You will be >surprise > > >that older is not better. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > Hello, fellow Nakkers! > > > > > > > > I'm looking for a wonderful cleaning cloth that used to be supplied >with > > > > most quality 1970s' vintage cassette recorders, including Nakamichi, > > > > that is known as a "Hi-Fuster Cloth." I'm not making that name up! >The > > > > last one I've owned has just fallen to shreads from reuse and I'd >like > > > > to find a source of new ones. It was perfect for keeping the cabinet >and > > > > faceplate clean and free of fingerprint smudges. The Hi-Fuster cloth >was > > > > also part of the ReVox tape head cleaning kit at one time. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if these are still available and where they can be > > > > purchased? > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone hear dof a brand of professional blank cassette >tape > > > > known as Saehan? I found a local source of these tapes from a place > > > > called National Audio Company located in Springfield, Missouri, USA. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > N-Joy! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > USA > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 8 12:12:15 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ITD Chrome In-Reply-To: <000e01c50d76$3136bca0$e3d64c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008b01c50dcf$0b92f960$e3d64c51@oemcomputer> I just found out, ITD are big tape dup'ers who sell blank tape to smaller outfits. I also understand - this is not confirmed - the tape inside the blanks is EMTEC/BASF Super Chrome. Could provide a way to get the brand at a more reasonable price? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 08 February 2005 00:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ITD Chrome Anyone heard of this tape? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Feb 8 13:48:37 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:48:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Hi Gra, Explain how you great Pioneer can do this impossible feat! Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Feb 8 17:01:42 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:01:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: That's right Graham - FLEX does what error correction does in a sense - it guesses the missing bits and then inserts them. Too clever. Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/07/05 06:07PM >>> Hi Alex Well, I'd put my 3-head Pioneer and its FLEX circuit up against ANY Nak for replaying an old, faded cassette ... Even NAAC can't cater for this. <> Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 06 February 2005 13:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Shalom Gra' > > I think that Ali mean the Better Ones, NOT the cheaper 2 heads models, or > I'm wrong? > > ALEX! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From useless98 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 8 17:56:14 2005 From: useless98 at hotmail.com (nojunk goaway) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:56:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E Message-ID: The other day I dug two of my old cassette decks out from a cupboard and decided to hook them up to my latest Hi-Fi. They are both still sounding good. :) However I suspect I may have thrown away the manuals for both with the original boxes. Is there anywhere I can get them from on the Nakamichi website? I couldn't find them but maybe someone here has found them on their travels. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Feb 8 23:29:45 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:29:45 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8A4@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi, I have copies of both. Please confirm your e-mail address, is it useless98 at hotmail.com ? I will host the manuals on a file sharing site and when you reply to this e-mail confirming your e-mail you will receive an e-mail from the web site stating you can download the manuals immediately. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: nojunk goaway [mailto:useless98 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2005 3:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E The other day I dug two of my old cassette decks out from a cupboard and decided to hook them up to my latest Hi-Fi. They are both still sounding good. :) However I suspect I may have thrown away the manuals for both with the original boxes. Is there anywhere I can get them from on the Nakamichi website? I couldn't find them but maybe someone here has found them on their travels. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 9 00:20:32 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:20:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c50e34$c9396fc0$03864c51@oemcomputer> Hi Alex Yes, but still not as good as if it were replayed with a FLEX circuit... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 08 February 2005 09:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > Shalom Gra' > > If "Those" faded old cassettes were recorded with Dolby "B"...any deck > switched to "Dolby NR OFF or Disable...will sound better, maybe more > brilliant...I'm wrong? > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:56 -0000 > > > >Hi Alex > > > >Well, I'd put my 3-head Pioneer and its FLEX circuit up against > ANY Nak for > >replaying an old, faded cassette ... Even NAAC can't cater for this. > ><> > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > Sent: 06 February 2005 13:20 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > > > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > > > I think that Ali mean the Better Ones, NOT the cheaper 2 > heads models, > >or > > > I'm wrong? > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 9 00:39:45 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:39:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c50e37$7898d800$03864c51@oemcomputer> Quite simply, Ali, no Nak is equipped to tease out music from faded recordings. If the image on the tape ain't there, the Nak can't play what isn't there. So, a dull tape sounds dull on a Nak just as it will on almost any other cassette machine ... except on a Pioneer equipped with a FLEX circuit. The Pioneer FLEX does play what isn't there ... To quote Mr Hugo (that's our Mark, not Victor) for an explanation, "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!!" Now, no Nak' has anything like a FLEX circuit. They cannot replay faded tapes. Some of the decks can replay tapes where there is azi' misalignment (but only a few - DR1, CR7, Dragon - are there any more?) but they can't bring back to life faded recordings. The Pioneers with FLEX to this brilliantly. Okay, hitch up an equaliser and you may be able to achieve the same thing. But you'd be hard pressed to keep up with the FLEX circuit as it's not a set it and leave it affair, it analysis right the way through the tape. In this respect, and probably only in this respect, the Pioneer kicks Nakamichi butt. But in every other ... different matter! So, for anyone who collects cassette tapes, and for anyone who has an ageing collection that is deteriorating, I would recommend - get yourself a good Pioneer with FLEX and dub from it onto a decent Nakamichi recorder. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 08 February 2005 12:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi Gra, Explain how you great Pioneer can do this impossible feat! Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 07:01:09 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:01:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi References: Message-ID: Hello, I had a Pioneer CT-S730. It has also the FLEX circuit. I was happy to get rid of it... So far from a good Nak (even though the Pioneer was 20 years younger). Not a real Hi-Fi in my opinion. Hi is ok (high trebles, and high output levels, but Fidelity...oh no!) Can you tell me which is better to use in your opinion? To use a deck with FLEX, or to use an equaliser? Thank you! István ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi Gra, Explain how you great Pioneer can do this impossible feat! Thanks! Best Regards! Ali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 9 07:52:50 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:52:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Hi Ali, If Graham hasn't got the data handy I will try to answer this on Saturday when back in town. FLEX 1-F spectrum analysing is rather like a journalist. What he doesn't know, he makes up. However, less dramatic and far more accurate!! Cheers, Marc Marc >>> BOEING747600 at aol.com 02/08/05 02:48PM >>> Hi Gra, Explain how you great Pioneer can do this impossible feat! Thanks! Best Regards! Ali The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 09:31:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:31:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Shalom my dear Gra' As always...learning...& pass away as a complete IDIOT!!!!! (Joking!) ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:20:32 -0000 > >Hi Alex > >Yes, but still not as good as if it were replayed with a FLEX circuit... > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 08 February 2005 09:30 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > If "Those" faded old cassettes were recorded with Dolby "B"...any deck > > switched to "Dolby NR OFF or Disable...will sound better, maybe more > > brilliant...I'm wrong? > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:56 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Alex > > > > > >Well, I'd put my 3-head Pioneer and its FLEX circuit up against > > ANY Nak for > > >replaying an old, faded cassette ... Even NAAC can't cater for this. > > ><> > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > > > Sent: 06 February 2005 13:20 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > > > > > I think that Ali mean the Better Ones, NOT the cheaper 2 > > heads models, > > >or > > > > I'm wrong? > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Wed Feb 9 10:05:12 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:05:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <000e01c50e37$7898d800$03864c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Feb 08, 2005 11:39:45 PM Message-ID: <20050209090512.F050725296@smtp.amb.org> > "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency > curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where > these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due > to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And > this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject to boosting > seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF > lift effect of Play Trim. I dunno, sounds to me like a recipe for severe coloration and dynamic artifacts. It might be simpler to just crank up the treble control a tad on your preamp if your tape is faded. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 9 11:27:27 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:27:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c50e91$f3d9a120$ab914c51@oemcomputer> FLEX because the Pioneer is adjusting through the length of the recording. Try doing that manually with an equaliser. And besides, how do you find the right pattern to get the right curve without taking a long time to find the right settings? It takes a second or two for the FLEX to make that adjustment. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sándor István Sent: 09 February 2005 06:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hello, I had a Pioneer CT-S730. It has also the FLEX circuit. I was happy to get rid of it... So far from a good Nak (even though the Pioneer was 20 years younger). Not a real Hi-Fi in my opinion. Hi is ok (high trebles, and high output levels, but Fidelity...oh no!) Can you tell me which is better to use in your opinion? To use a deck with FLEX, or to use an equaliser? Thank you! István ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi Gra, Explain how you great Pioneer can do this impossible feat! Thanks! Best Regards! Ali ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From useless98 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 12:18:36 2005 From: useless98 at hotmail.com (nojunk goaway) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:18:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8A4@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: >Hi, I have copies of both. Please confirm your e-mail address, is it >useless98 at hotmail.com ? I will host the manuals on a file sharing site and >when you reply to this e-mail confirming your e-mail you will receive an >e-mail from the web site stating you can download the manuals immediately. > > Regards, > > Tom. Yes that is my e-mail address. Thanks for your help Tom. _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 14:47:56 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:47:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi head height adjustment In-Reply-To: <000501c50e34$c9396fc0$03864c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi guys, I am wondering how you can adjust the record and playback head height on the 3 head Naks. Is there a technique other than what is mentioned in the service manual? Cos on my BX-300E, following the manual's procedures just doesn't let me align the head height! I have the correct head height jig/tool from nak but the two red buttons do not light up together at all! Help! From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Feb 9 14:03:37 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:03:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: <80.20f94124.2f3b6429@aol.com> Hi Marc, What missing bits are you talking about and how does the flex circuit add these bits. Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Feb 9 14:11:45 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:11:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Hi Gra, I am getting some of the picture now!!! aleast trying to!! LOL! how much did your Pioneer FLEX deck cost , can you still buy them?! Thanks for the very detailed relpy! Ignore my other question to Marc about the missing bits that flex seems to restore. With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Feb 9 17:08:46 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape, CD, LP Source In-Reply-To: <000f01c50d2d$4e21e220$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000f01c50d2d$4e21e220$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <420A358E.7060802@cox.net> Here's another vinyl source online: http://www.recordsbymail.com/ Tim rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hey Stephen, > > Interersting website....thanks for the post. One of the links I found > there was even more interesting. They have out of print LPs, CDs, and > Tapes for all genres: > > http://www.memorylanerecords.com/ > > Robert Kent > > Stephen wrote: > For an online music database, try discogs at > www.discogs.com > > They used to be electronicly biased, but are now all genres. You can > import > your collection as an Excel document. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 9 17:47:51 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:47:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX Message-ID: Ti, Check it out - it's remarkably effective. It is not in any way a treble control which on a pre-amp would only work at one frequency, say 10 kHz. Maybe on some pre-amps, there's a rollover option - or you have a spectrum EQ device. Losses due to physical tape degradation are not only deleterious to the HF area. However, whether you "trust" it per se, is quite another thing - and without doubt, it does involve major league signal path changes. On that basis alone, one might pose the question as to how hi the fi is. Beware, Yamaha's playtrim is nowhere near as clever. Cheers all - till the weekend. Marc >>> ti at amb.org 02/09/05 11:05AM >>> > "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency > curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where > these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due > to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And > this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject to boosting > seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF > lift effect of Play Trim. I dunno, sounds to me like a recipe for severe coloration and dynamic artifacts. It might be simpler to just crank up the treble control a tad on your preamp if your tape is faded. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 9 18:31:10 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:31:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <20050209090512.F050725296@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <001d01c50ecd$25175da0$53cf4c51@oemcomputer> Put it to the test - send me a dull cassette! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 09 February 2005 09:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > > > > "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency > > curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any > frequencies where > > these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth > problems but due > > to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic > retentivity. And > > this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies > subject to boosting > > seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more > straightforward HF > > lift effect of Play Trim. > > I dunno, sounds to me like a recipe for severe coloration and dynamic > artifacts. It might be simpler to just crank up the treble control > a tad on your preamp if your tape is faded. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 9 19:21:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:21:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c50ed4$2feacda0$53cf4c51@oemcomputer> H Ali When they were new they cost about £500, which was not cheap. They occasionally come up on eBay for around £150. There's a CT-S730S on sale at the moment, in Germany, I think. Mine is it's slightly bigger brother, the CT-S830S. (I forget the difference, although I recall the little brother was described as a "cut down" version of the 830 that sounded "almost as good". I believe Pioneer are still selling cheaper versions of both with FLEX - a CT-S250, I think. I ought to add that mine broke down last year - the first time in about ... 10-11 years or so. Parts were needed and obtained, seemingly without much fuss. The machine was fixed and serviced. I put the machine on a head to head with a Nak CR-7 using some old tapes I had produced many years ago on my old Aiwa AD1800. the Nak CR7, of course, had adjustable azimuth for playback and the Pioneer, its FLEX circuit. Whatever I did with that azimuth knob on the CR-7 I couldn't bring back the weight of the recording - it sounded thin even at the optimum. It was a whole different matter when I put the tape into the Pioneer and switched in the FLEX. For a second or two, it sounded just as thin, while the FLEX tuned in. And then - sparkle! Finally the music sounded good again. THAT is why I decided to sell the CR-7 and keep the Pioneer it was supposed to have replaced. Sure, the CR-7 could record far better than the Pioneer without Dolby or with B (or C), but the Pioneer can give it a run for the money if, and perhaps only if, the Dolby S encoding is employed. Whatever - there wasn't that much of a difference that would have bothered me especially since my ZX-9 shaded the CR-7 anyway. So, the Nak is on recording duty for fresh recordings and the Pioneer does replay duty on the older, non-Nak recorded cassettes, of which I still have plenty. And just for fun, I occasionally stick in a nice metal and record using Dolby S, and then fool people by switching between the tape machine and the CD player ... "Which is it?" "The CD..." "WRONG!" "Gosh, I never knew tapes could sound so good ..." Big grin from me. "Now hear the Nakamichi ..." Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 09 February 2005 13:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi Gra, I am getting some of the picture now!!! aleast trying to!! LOL! how much did your Pioneer FLEX deck cost , can you still buy them?! Thanks for the very detailed relpy! Ignore my other question to Marc about the missing bits that flex seems to restore. With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Feb 9 19:30:15 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:30:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX Message-ID: <1B5F5C63.371D2548.026D48C1@netscape.net> OK, if Wouter permits here is a picture and description of FLEX taken from 1993-1994 Pioneer catalogue: "FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate in proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. Poorly recorded programmes, on the other hand, show a faster-dropping power spectrum. To the ear, these sound dull, muffled and lacking in life: all because of the lacking high-frequency content. This can happen when: (1) using tapes whose frequency characteristics is less at high frequency, (2) a recording is made on a deck with uneven record/play response, (3) it is made on a low-fi recorder (portables, etc.), (4) the source is AM radio, or (5) the source is a pre-recorded tape whose path does not match a deck's azimuth. Our FLEX (Frequency Level Expander) remedies this problem. It's a computer-controlled system that constantly monitors the power spectrum of a programme during play and dynamically adjust the spectrum so that it closely matches the desirable response. You get rich, balanced and natural sound with brilliant highs from every recorded tape. Our Frequency Level Expander gives new breath of life to even old or poorly made recordings." With the very best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FLEX.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 82914 bytes Desc: FLEX.jpg URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 21:02:52 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:02:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi head height adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050209200252.359.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> I'm a little confused. Playback head height is usually adjusted with a 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape (DA09007A). I don't remember a jig required for height. For tilt there is a jig (DA09039A), but, you are saying height. Although the tilt adjustment does use the height adjust screws, but, without the height gear in place that locks the top and bottom tilt gears together. The tilt procedure is here on section 4.3 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html The PB height adjust procedure is here on step 5. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt2.html The Rec height adjust procedure is a little different. It involves using a fluid on the tape for actually seeing where the magnetic tracks are on the tape. See the first link above, section 4.8 (2). SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I am wondering how you can adjust the record and playback head > height on the > 3 head Naks. Is there a technique other than what is mentioned in > the > service manual? Cos on my BX-300E, following the manual's > procedures just > doesn't let me align the head height! I have the correct head > height > jig/tool from nak but the two red buttons do not light up together > at all! > Help! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 9 23:50:14 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:50:14 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8AA@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Consider it done. You will receive 2 emails from yousendit.com. The emails will give you links to click on and you can then download the manuals, they are aprox 2 meg each. Let me know if you have any probs. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: nojunk goaway [mailto:useless98 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E >Hi, I have copies of both. Please confirm your e-mail address, is it >useless98 at hotmail.com ? I will host the manuals on a file sharing site and >when you reply to this e-mail confirming your e-mail you will receive an >e-mail from the web site stating you can download the manuals immediately. > > Regards, > > Tom. Yes that is my e-mail address. Thanks for your help Tom. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 9 23:07:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:07:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005101c50ef3$b92cf420$53cf4c51@oemcomputer> The offer remains open! Anyone want to send me a dull tape and a fresh one to dub onto ... If you hate the result, okay. If you like it, send me a nice blank cassette!!! <> Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Hugo > Sent: 09 February 2005 16:48 > To: ti at amb.org; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX > > > Ti, > > Check it out - it's remarkably effective. It is not in any way a > treble control which on a pre-amp would only work at one frequency, say > 10 kHz. Maybe on some pre-amps, there's a rollover option - or you have > a spectrum EQ device. Losses due to physical tape degradation are not > only deleterious to the HF area. > > However, whether you "trust" it per se, is quite another thing - and > without doubt, it does involve major league signal path changes. On > that basis alone, one might pose the question as to how hi the fi is. > Beware, Yamaha's playtrim is nowhere near as clever. > > Cheers all - till the weekend. > > Marc > > From ti at amb.org Thu Feb 10 01:46:33 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:46:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <1B5F5C63.371D2548.026D48C1@netscape.net> from "Nick" at Feb 09, 2005 01:30:15 PM Message-ID: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> Nick writes: > "FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) > When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, > it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate in > proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency > content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven > out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. I think there is a certain fallacy in that finding... that all "quality" recordings have similar spectral amplitude distribution regardless of music genre. I can't help but think that to be false, not only between broad genres, but between songs, or even within a song. To apply dynamic equalization to the music to "fit" the single mold might make the music "rich, balanced with brilliant highs from every recorded tape", but is is faithful to the original recording? My gut feel says no. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Feb 10 04:33:03 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:33:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Hi Gra, Thanks for sharing your experience with Flex Pioneer and the Nak CR 7A. I have heard lots praise showered on the Nakamichi CR 7A tape deck being rated even better ! than the Nakamichi dragon cassette tape deck by some members here and yet you say its the better machine than the ZX-9 , I am getting confused!!. I might have considered a flex Pioneer cassette deck but I dont play old tapes in any of my cassette tape decks I have learnt my lesson!! Especially those tapes that appear to have medium brown tape oxide these tape shed oxide which can really mess up the heads and tape transport so no matter how good the recording might be on this old tape I would NEVER! EVER! play it on a quality and expensive tape deck like a Nakamichi Dragon or CR7-A. Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 05:39:12 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:39:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi head height adjustment In-Reply-To: <20050209200252.359.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, You're absolutely right. Bad use of terms on my side and my mistake. What I am referring to is the head tilt, for both playback and record heads. Amongst some of the calibration tapes I have is the DA09039A, which looks just like the one in the service manual pictures. I was reading thru the BX-300 service manual and the tilt adjustment instructions are exactly the same as what you've posted. However, folling them means I can adjust the record head tilt correctly but I can't quite get the playback head adjustment to the stage where both lights come on together. So i was wondering if there is any other way of doing it other than what's in the manual? Or am I doing something wrong? Thanks for your help. Kelvin. > >I'm a little confused. Playback head height is usually adjusted with >a 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape (DA09007A). I don't remember a jig >required for height. For tilt there is a jig (DA09039A), but, you >are saying height. Although the tilt adjustment does use the height >adjust screws, but, without the height gear in place that locks the >top and bottom tilt gears together. The tilt procedure is here on >section 4.3 >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html > >The PB height adjust procedure is here on step 5. > > >The Rec height adjust procedure is a little different. It involves >using a fluid on the tape for actually seeing where the magnetic >tracks are on the tape. See the first link above, section 4.8 (2). From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 06:20:01 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <1B5F5C63.371D2548.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20050210052001.44128.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Beautifully Explained. B Nick wrote: OK, if Wouter permits here is a picture and description of FLEX taken from 1993-1994 Pioneer catalogue: "FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate in proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. Poorly recorded programmes, on the other hand, show a faster-dropping power spectrum. To the ear, these sound dull, muffled and lacking in life: all because of the lacking high-frequency content. This can happen when: (1) using tapes whose frequency characteristics is less at high frequency, (2) a recording is made on a deck with uneven record/play response, (3) it is made on a low-fi recorder (portables, etc.), (4) the source is AM radio, or (5) the source is a pre-recorded tape whose path does not match a deck's azimuth. Our FLEX (Frequency Level Expander) remedies this problem. It's a computer-controlled system that constantly monitors the power spectrum of a programme during play and dynamically adjust the spectrum so that it closely matches the desirable response. You get rich, balanced and natural sound with brilliant highs from every recorded tape. Our Frequency Level Expander gives new breath of life to even old or poorly made recordings." With the very best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=FLEX.jpg ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thu Feb 10 10:59:22 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:59:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX References: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <000801c50f57$3431d6a0$1510a8c0@TG> FLEX sometimes also works on the contrary way; I mean, as I already experienced ; When you play a real hi-end recording with nice highs and everything (source is SACD) (those recent Pioneer machines especially twin decks seem a bit weak in playing back the tapes recorded by better decks - their sound is like electronically imitating the actual sound (of course these are only my humble opinion) . Perhaps you do not need to, but, when you press the FLEX button, that brilliant sound gets dull as the recorded tape has higher dynamics.. That means FLEX has certain dynamic limits and, I agree to Ti Kan, again matter of faithfullness to the original source. And finally, same passge FLEX ed by those machines seem not same as before; repeatability and reliability still a matter. Personally prefer actaul auto alignemnt to electronically imitation. Best regards, Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX > Nick writes: >> "FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) >> When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, >> it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate >> in >> proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency >> content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven >> out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. > > I think there is a certain fallacy in that finding... that all "quality" > recordings have similar spectral amplitude distribution regardless > of music genre. I can't help but think that to be false, not only > between broad genres, but between songs, or even within a song. To > apply dynamic equalization to the music to "fit" the single mold > might make the music "rich, balanced with brilliant highs from every > recorded tape", but is is faithful to the original recording? My > gut feel says no. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 11:58:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:58:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Please if you not mind...?, play my sent cassette..when you will received, with your Z-9 and after with your Pioneer and announce me and to all our lovely folks your hearing/honest/noble test results! Thanks so much for such effort! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:07:19 -0000 > >The offer remains open! Anyone want to send me a dull tape and a fresh one >to dub onto ... If you hate the result, okay. If you like it, send me a >nice blank cassette!!! <> > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Mark Hugo > > Sent: 09 February 2005 16:48 > > To: ti at amb.org; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX > > > > > > Ti, > > > > Check it out - it's remarkably effective. It is not in any way a > > treble control which on a pre-amp would only work at one frequency, say > > 10 kHz. Maybe on some pre-amps, there's a rollover option - or you have > > a spectrum EQ device. Losses due to physical tape degradation are not > > only deleterious to the HF area. > > > > However, whether you "trust" it per se, is quite another thing - and > > without doubt, it does involve major league signal path changes. On > > that basis alone, one might pose the question as to how hi the fi is. > > Beware, Yamaha's playtrim is nowhere near as clever. > > > > Cheers all - till the weekend. > > > > Marc > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 12:07:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:07:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Message-ID: Bravo Ali!!!!! I 100% support you...I ALSO...my first Philips ferric brown cassettes that I brought during the 70ties...I disposed! OK...maybe I lost some beautifully music...however with those "Primitive" cassettes deck from the 70ties...I can live with listening those!...much sure with my lovely Dragon!!! As you so cute stated...will produce MORE HARM TO THE HEADS/AND NEAR THOSE...that...I throw away...for ever! Only new fresh products from leading brands...! Be well! ALEX! >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:33:03 EST > >Hi Gra, Thanks for sharing your experience with Flex Pioneer and the Nak >CR 7A. > > I have heard lots praise showered on the Nakamichi CR 7A tape deck >being >rated even better ! than the Nakamichi dragon cassette tape deck by >some >members here and yet you say its the better machine than the ZX-9 , I am >getting confused!!. > >I might have considered a flex Pioneer cassette deck but I dont play old >tapes in any of my cassette tape decks I have learnt my lesson!! Especially >those tapes that appear to have medium brown tape oxide these tape shed >oxide >which can really mess up the heads and tape transport so no matter how >good >the recording might be on this old tape I would NEVER! EVER! play it on >a >quality and expensive tape deck like a Nakamichi Dragon or CR7-A. Thanks! > >Best Regards! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 12:40:24 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:40:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c50f65$4fd1f300$ae8f4c51@oemcomputer> Hi Ali No, I'm not saying the stock CR7 is better than a stock ZX-9. I am saying that my stock CR7 was not as good (to MY ear) as my MODIFIED ZX-9. (Besides, I like the manual tuning of the ZX-9 - less to go wrong, I think!!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 10 February 2005 03:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi Hi Gra, Thanks for sharing your experience with Flex Pioneer and the Nak CR 7A. I have heard lots praise showered on the Nakamichi CR 7A tape deck being rated even better ! than the Nakamichi dragon cassette tape deck by some members here and yet you say its the better machine than the ZX-9 , I am getting confused!!. I might have considered a flex Pioneer cassette deck but I dont play old tapes in any of my cassette tape decks I have learnt my lesson!! Especially those tapes that appear to have medium brown tape oxide these tape shed oxide which can really mess up the heads and tape transport so no matter how good the recording might be on this old tape I would NEVER! EVER! play it on a quality and expensive tape deck like a Nakamichi Dragon or CR7-A. Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Feb 10 13:11:03 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:11:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> References: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <420B4F57.7020107@snet.net> Let us bear in mind that while the result may not be entirely faithful to the original recording, what you are using this for is to salvage a recording that has already deteriorated in some way from its original form. Which is the lesser of evils - a dull, lifeless old tape, or one that is rich, and balanced with brilliant highs? Ed Ti Kan wrote: >Nick writes: > > >>"FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) >>When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, >>it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate in >>proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency >>content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven >>out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. >> >> > >I think there is a certain fallacy in that finding... that all "quality" >recordings have similar spectral amplitude distribution regardless >of music genre. I can't help but think that to be false, not only >between broad genres, but between songs, or even within a song. To >apply dynamic equalization to the music to "fit" the single mold >might make the music "rich, balanced with brilliant highs from every >recorded tape", but is is faithful to the original recording? My >gut feel says no. > >-Ti > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Thu Feb 10 14:37:56 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:37:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, ZX-9... Message-ID: <20050210133756.33286.qmail@web40609.mail.yahoo.com> Ali. There's quite a bit of debate as to "Which is the BEST Nak" - and that can be looked at in many ways. The general consensus is that the CR-7 and ZX-9 have the best recording and possibly playback - but in reality, this is entirely subjective to YOU the listener,(like in all high end audio gear). Let's face it, there are about 6-7 top of the line Naks and the differences are not going to be great - it's like comparing say one Champagne house, taking their best vintages from a 20 year span, and choosing - they're ALL great, and which one is the best? You aren't going to go wrong with any of them. And you'll get some people agreeing that year X is better for reasons y and Z, and others year B, for C and D reasons. Getting all the top Naks side by side and LISTENING to each, using the same cassette, same associated equipment etc. In this day and age finding someone who has them all in peak condition (and I know there are people who do, BUT) isn't that easy. Dragon, ZX-9, CR-7, RX-505, ZX-7, 1000ZXL (my apologies to those who feel that I haven't included one they feel should be in there :-) - all great machines, different capabilities and also similarites depending on the model, and all record and playback magnificently - the degree between them is a tiny order of magnitude and I wouldn't be overly concerned about "The BEST Nak" except as an entirely subjective intellectual debate - which is fun sometimes but owning even a modest Nak is streets ahead of 90% of the competitions offerings EVER. We're talking about the best brand, and then the best within that brand - it's not going to be easy to choose! These days it's more a case of "How much can I/want to afford, will it be fussy regarding service - and spare parts" no point owning what someone else thinks is (and may be to you) the BEST Nak and it is a temperamental bitch that is demanding in time and money unless that is part of the experience for you and worth it... A general rule of thumb with the last paragraph is that the more heavily it relies on exotic computerised technology, the more likely it is to be fussy and more expensive to fix - but I'm sure someone will disagree! My personal faves on aesthetics alone are the 1000ZXL Limited and the LX-3/LX-5 - gorgeous (although most of the LX series are showing signs of wear but if in REALLY good condition they look - well, B&O-ish in that funky "years ahead of it's time" 80's way. The Limited is just stunning, full stop - the gold, the rosewood...aaaahhh! Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Thu Feb 10 15:30:26 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:30:26 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? Message-ID: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> I find it most convenient, it has no batteries or doesn't need to be plugged in, the "blah blah magnet which I forget its composition but is designed for life regarding useful operating life of the "cassette" and there is no need to do any of the complex "back away slowly" (sounds like being confronted by a nutter in a bar;-)...and unlike the other demag cassettes, it demagnetises all the metal parts in the well, not just the heads. You just put it in and press fast forward for 10 secs or until the magnet has travelled around the full length of the shell, then do the same in rewind. VOILA, demagnetised everything - and the first time I used it the HF was vastly better (last owner obviously had been a little lax in that department) but I do it every 50 hours and hear nothing (good boy that I am)... But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? I picked up the last remaining Discwasher DMAG in Melbourne (they stopped producing them a few years ago) after being told that I might have to resort to a wand by my preferred audiophile store (the NOS Goldring they had was old and kaput so I returned it to them), and was told after finding the DMAG "That's the best of the cassette type demagnetisers ever made, good score" by same store. BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? Would be intersting to hear from someone who has used the DMAG and a wand. Thanks. Iain. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Feb 10 15:39:29 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:39:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> References: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <420B7221.70803@cox.net> I've never heard the results of this FLEX circuit, but it sounds intriguing. I'm torn between wanting to dislike it because of the reasons that Ti so elequently presents below, and to thinking it's a great idea if used judiciously. Keep in mind that many of the 'original recordings' as we have on vinyl are usually watered down, limited, compressed, or otherwise adulterated versions of the 'original recording' as heard in the studio. So what is being butchered by the FLEX circuit? If you have the choice of switching it in or out, or perhaps of even moderating it's intrusion, it could be useful. I'm aware that some people record with the Dolby on and play with it off because they like the boost in highs. And I tend to think that most equalizers are mis-applied in home stereos and are used to increase the 'wow' factor more than to accurately correct speaker deficiencies or room acoustics. Sounds to me like a well-applied FLEX would be better in both instances. Did Pioneer ever try to market this FLEX in a stand-alone processor or as part of a preamp? Tim Ti Kan wrote: >Nick writes: > > >>"FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) >>When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, >>it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate in >>proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency >>content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven >>out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. >> >> > >I think there is a certain fallacy in that finding... that all "quality" >recordings have similar spectral amplitude distribution regardless >of music genre. I can't help but think that to be false, not only >between broad genres, but between songs, or even within a song. To >apply dynamic equalization to the music to "fit" the single mold >might make the music "rich, balanced with brilliant highs from every >recorded tape", but is is faithful to the original recording? My >gut feel says no. > >-Ti > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course the treble has dulled, but to get this much from such old cassette is superb really. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Ali!!!!! > > I 100% support you...I ALSO...my first Philips > ferric brown cassettes that I > brought during the 70ties...I disposed! > > OK...maybe I lost some beautifully music...however > with those "Primitive" > cassettes deck from the 70ties...I can live with > listening those!...much > sure with my lovely Dragon!!! As you so cute > stated...will produce MORE HARM > TO THE HEADS/AND NEAR THOSE...that...I throw > away...for ever! Only new fresh > products from leading brands...! > > Be well! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi > >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:33:03 EST > > > >Hi Gra, Thanks for sharing your experience with > Flex Pioneer and the Nak > >CR 7A. > > > > I have heard lots praise showered on the > Nakamichi CR 7A tape deck > >being > >rated even better ! than the Nakamichi dragon > cassette tape deck by > >some > >members here and yet you say its the better machine > than the ZX-9 , I am > >getting confused!!. > > > >I might have considered a flex Pioneer cassette > deck but I dont play old > >tapes in any of my cassette tape decks I have > learnt my lesson!! Especially > >those tapes that appear to have medium brown tape > oxide these tape shed > >oxide > >which can really mess up the heads and tape > transport so no matter how > >good > >the recording might be on this old tape I would > NEVER! EVER! play it on > >a > >quality and expensive tape deck like a Nakamichi > Dragon or CR7-A. Thanks! > > > >Best Regards! > >Ali > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 19:43:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <420B4F57.7020107@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050210184324.68199.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Sensible argument. I see the FLEX as a tool for old recordings on tape. Initially I thought of connecting an equalizer, but you typically make adjustment per song and thats it. The FLEX, flexes its adjustments throughout the program. B --- Edward Noyes wrote: > Let us bear in mind that while the result may not be > entirely faithful > to the original recording, what you are using this > for is to salvage a > recording that has already deteriorated in some way > from its original > form. Which is the lesser of evils - a dull, > lifeless old tape, or one > that is rich, and balanced with brilliant highs? > > Ed > > Ti Kan wrote: > > >Nick writes: > > > > > >>"FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) > >>When you analyze the power spectrum of a > high-qulity music programmes, > >>it shows a response in which power decreases at a > certain constant rate in > >>proportion with frequency. This indicates there is > rich high-frequency > >>content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is > noticeable in seven > >>out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or > classic. > >> > >> > > > >I think there is a certain fallacy in that > finding... that all "quality" > >recordings have similar spectral amplitude > distribution regardless > >of music genre. I can't help but think that to be > false, not only > >between broad genres, but between songs, or even > within a song. To > >apply dynamic equalization to the music to "fit" > the single mold > >might make the music "rich, balanced with brilliant > highs from every > >recorded tape", but is is faithful to the original > recording? My > >gut feel says no. > > > >-Ti > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 10 19:30:29 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> References: <20050210004633.56537252AB@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <420BA845.7040808@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ti and fellow Nakkers worldwide! Ti Kan wrote: > Nick writes: > >>"FLEX (Frequency Level EXpander) >>When you analyze the power spectrum of a high-qulity music programmes, >>it shows a response in which power decreases at a certain constant rate in >>proportion with frequency. This indicates there is rich high-frequency >>content. The phenomenon, we have discovered, is noticeable in seven >>out of ten recordings, be they rock, pop, jazz or classic. > > > I think there is a certain fallacy in that finding... that all "quality" > recordings have similar spectral amplitude distribution regardless > of music genre. I can't help but think that to be false, not only > between broad genres, but between songs, or even within a song. To > apply dynamic equalization to the music to "fit" the single mold > might make the music "rich, balanced with brilliant highs from every > recorded tape", but is is faithful to the original recording? My > gut feel says no. You're right! Spectral amplitude distribution not only varies by genre but by decade and even by record label! Compare 1970s rock recordings made by Columbia with A&M for example, or 1970s rock in general with 1990s rock recordings. Compare the spectral amplitude distribution of a Telarc classical recording with an MCA Living Stereo recording. And synthesizer based music has a radically different spectral amplitude distribution from choral music or classical or even folk. I have gear that measures spectral amplitude distribution -- variances are so great that even matching the spectral amplitude distribution of one cut in an album to another cut in the same album can sometimes drive you barking mad during the mastering process. FLEX reminds me of the "auto" function on my FFT equalizer. Sounds like a nice idea but I never use it. My clients deserve more attentiion than a push of a button. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 20:51:11 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <000801c50f57$3431d6a0$1510a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <003e01c50fa9$def03120$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Tayfur said: "Personally prefer actaul auto alignment to electronically imitation." Of course, but that is for tapes that sound dull because of an alignment issue, which is where adjustable azimuth for playback comes into its own. However, if it sounds dull because it's recorded on horrible tape, or if the recording is old and become dull over time ... auto, or manual alignment won't make a scrap of difference, whereas FLEX will. Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 20:51:13 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003f01c50fa9$e01e50e0$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Okay buddy - will do! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 10 February 2005 10:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alternatives etc: FLEX > > > Shalom Gra' > > Please if you not mind...?, play my sent cassette..when you will > received, > with your Z-9 and after with your Pioneer and announce me and to all our > lovely folks your hearing/honest/noble test results! > > Thanks so much for such effort! > > ALEX! > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 20:51:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501c50fa9$e2038ba0$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Personally, I occasionally use an old Sony demagnifier on my decks. I have also used one of the cassette units in a car cassette recorder. However, it's worth remembering that their is a school of thought that says demag'ing a cassette deck doesn't make a scrap of difference, that it's all snake oil. I seem to recall our late member, Ron, was of that view - he never demag'd his decks, and it's worth noting that Ron used to be a designer, and one of his works was a cassette deck. Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 20:51:14 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <420B4F57.7020107@snet.net> Message-ID: <004001c50fa9$e1002560$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Exactly right. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 10 February 2005 12:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX Let us bear in mind that while the result may not be entirely faithful to the original recording, what you are using this for is to salvage a recording that has already deteriorated in some way from its original form. Which is the lesser of evils - a dull, lifeless old tape, or one that is rich, and balanced with brilliant highs? Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 20:53:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:53:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, ZX-9... In-Reply-To: <20050210133756.33286.qmail@web40609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c50faa$425d60c0$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Actually, I'd always thought the league table was more like: 1000ZXL 7000ZXL Dragon CR7 ZX9/ZX7 CR5/DR1 ? for playback. I wouldn't normally have thought the ZX9/7s would be above a CR7 for playback. The CR7 has a much shorter signal path than the ZX's, for a start. But my ZX9 was modifed by Transtec. (Also worth not forgetting the CR5 - there's not a lot of difference between it and the CR7 although, importantly for some, it does lack adjustable azimuth for playback. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Iain McGhee > Sent: 10 February 2005 13:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, ZX-9... > > > Ali. > > There's quite a bit of debate as to "Which is the BEST > Nak" - and that can be looked at in many ways. The > general consensus is that the CR-7 and ZX-9 have the > best recording and possibly playback - but in reality, > this is entirely subjective to YOU the listener,(like > in all high end audio gear). Let's face it, there are > about 6-7 top of the line Naks and the differences are > not going to be great - it's like comparing say one > Champagne house, taking their best vintages from a 20 > year span, and choosing - they're ALL great, and which > one is the best? You aren't going to go wrong with > any of them. And you'll get some people agreeing that > year X is better for reasons y and Z, and others year > B, for C and D reasons. > > Getting all the top Naks side by side and LISTENING to > each, using the same cassette, same associated > equipment etc. In this day and age finding someone > who has them all in peak condition (and I know there > are people who do, BUT) isn't that easy. > > Dragon, ZX-9, CR-7, RX-505, ZX-7, 1000ZXL (my > apologies to those who feel that I haven't included > one they feel should be in there :-) - all great > machines, different capabilities and also similarites > depending on the model, and all record and playback > magnificently - the degree between them is a tiny > order of magnitude and I wouldn't be overly concerned > about "The BEST Nak" except as an entirely subjective > intellectual debate - which is fun sometimes but > owning even a modest Nak is streets ahead of 90% of > the competitions offerings EVER. We're talking about > the best brand, and then the best within that brand - > it's not going to be easy to choose! > > These days it's more a case of "How much can I/want to > afford, will it be fussy regarding service - and spare > parts" no point owning what someone else thinks is > (and may be to you) the BEST Nak and it is a > temperamental bitch that is demanding in time and > money unless that is part of the experience for you > and worth it... > > A general rule of thumb with the last paragraph is > that the more heavily it relies on exotic computerised > technology, the more likely it is to be fussy and more > expensive to fix - but I'm sure someone will disagree! > > My personal faves on aesthetics alone are the 1000ZXL > Limited and the LX-3/LX-5 - gorgeous (although most of > the LX series are showing signs of wear but if in > REALLY good condition they look - well, B&O-ish in > that funky "years ahead of it's time" 80's way. The > Limited is just stunning, full stop - the gold, the > rosewood...aaaahhh! > > Iain > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 11 00:54:36 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:54:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420BF43C.9050107@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Iain, Iain McGhee wrote: > But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? No. Not by a mile. It is nowhere as effective as it claims. I've had one and I threw mine in the trash. > BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? Yes, because it applies greater magnetic flux, in a more consistent way, to the head and ferrous parts to counter remanent magnetism, which is far harder to eliminate than would seem. Bigger is better because of the inverse square law and the tendency for magnetized things to want to remain magnetized. A brief zap from a gimmick like the Discwasher will not remove all remanent magnetism. Some, but not all, and not enough to ensure peak condition of the heads. The single best demag'er, and the one preferred by serious pros, is the Annis Han-D-Mag, which also includes a magnetometer to let you know you did the job. It is strong enough to demagnetise a permanent magnet, so some care has to be excercised. No demagnetizer will come close to it, and it is the only unit I can recommend in good conscience. Your Nak rates only this choice of demag'er. The Teac E-3 (I think the number is correct) is a distant second; most of the other wands are close to the Teac, BUT I've seen a few wands that are only marginally more effective than the Discwasher; they are usually quite cheap, tubular-shaped and have off-brand names like "MagnePro," or "HyTek" or other such silliness. I once ruined the magnets in my 600-II's VU meters by being extremely careless with an Annis Han-D-Mag. Don't worry, though, you have to be truly, utterly, supremely careless and totally distracted beyond reason to make a blunder of that magnitude, as I was one that particular occasion profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape heads when my girlfriend walked in wearing only shoes. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alex.cozac at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 04:33:29 2005 From: alex.cozac at gmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:33:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: [NakChatt] Just saying Hello to you other Nakkers and introducing myself. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: iaincmcghee Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:05:46 -0000 Subject: [NakChatt] Just saying Hello to you other Nakkers and introducing myself. To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Heya. I'm Iain. I live in Melbourne and own an RX-202E and am patiently waiting on my RX-505E to be sent from Sydney....(waiting, waiting - being sent on Monday 14th should arrive on Wednesday!!!!) - YAY, I get to have one of the 3-head top of the line Naks, I'm really excited to be honest. I love my RX-202E, but knowing that it can get BETTER soinically, well, I couldn't resist! It's hard to get the upscale Naks here in Australia - people own them but just don't sell them. As the owner of "my" RX-505 said to me today "Do you know how long it took me to find this?" He didn't quite say beacuse the conversation shifted, but I believe him. Anyway, he has 6 other Naks including FOUR 1000ZXLs - he didn't REALLY want to sell the RX-505 (hehehe he offered me one of the 1000ZXLs in perfect condition about a third less than the going rate), but I kept insisting on the RX-505. If he wasn't moving house to what I presume is a better house in a better part of town (and he already lives in a fairly affluent part of Sydney) I don't think he would have sold it to me at all - he even tried to get me to buy his BX-300. Anyway, good to see you all, I've started posting in NakTalk again after a long hiatus ( I unsubsribed a year ago after about 7 days in a row of SIX digests a day!) but I'm baaaaack... By the way, there's a great forum on AudioAsylum called Tape Trail, it's a bulletin board system - you have to join AudioAsylum but that's free and the range of information on all the different forums is enormous, and caters to every audio area (and video and music form). Finally some months ago they added Tape Trail too - really nice bunch of posters - a couple of whom post on NakTalk too. www.audioasylum.com Also there is a great real-time chat room, the best access in via IRC but you can also get in via the web with a java applet they provide. Happy Nakking! iain McGhee ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/U0ptCC/fV0JAA/Zx0JAA/bDIolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in cyberspace!!! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NakChatt-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Alex! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 05:04:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:04:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? Message-ID: Shalom Iain! >From many years of using many tapes decks, I began with Reel to Reel, ( During my "Younger" days was NOT such item for those machines), I use the normally maybe you named "Wand" (Sorry my English is not 100% perfectly...my native language is Spanish!), from which I during o many decades of "Tape" addict/fan I today collect 4 differently brands of as you surely named "Wand" type...must be plug in to any home mains power...and two for cassettes specifically one TDK which uses 2 G-13 batteries, which mainly I use with my Radio/Tape car unit...as only degauss the "Playback" head mainly...so do not resolve the entirely process with my today in use Dragon. Also I have an a "Similarly" product like your Discwhasher...from "Ampex", which instructs first to rewind the 30 seconds length cleaning tape...and ONLY after that the rewind stops...you press PLAY...NOT Forward as you wrote...and wait till at the end of the process the deck stops, this is USE ONLY for cheap Mini/MIdi All in One stereo unit that mainly the "Playback" head needs to be degaussed! I really hope that my explanations suffice you! Good Luck and enjoy your newer deck when will arrive! ALEX! ALEX! >From: Iain McGhee >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:30:26 +1100 (EST) > >I find it most convenient, it has no batteries or >doesn't need to be plugged in, the "blah blah magnet >which I forget its composition but is designed for >life regarding useful operating life of the "cassette" >and there is no need to do any of the complex "back >away slowly" (sounds like being confronted by a nutter >in a bar;-)...and unlike the other demag cassettes, it >demagnetises all the metal parts in the well, not just >the heads. You just put it in and press fast forward >for 10 secs or until the magnet has travelled around >the full length of the shell, then do the same in >rewind. VOILA, demagnetised everything - and the >first time I used it the HF was vastly better (last >owner obviously had been a little lax in that >department) but I do it every 50 hours and hear >nothing (good boy that I am)... > >But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? I picked >up the last remaining Discwasher DMAG in Melbourne >(they stopped producing them a few years ago) after >being told that I might have to resort to a wand by my >preferred audiophile store (the NOS Goldring they had >was old and kaput so I returned it to them), and was >told after finding the DMAG "That's the best of the >cassette type demagnetisers ever made, good score" by >same store. > >BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? > >Would be intersting to hear from someone who has used >the DMAG and a wand. > >Thanks. > >Iain. > > > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From useless98 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 10:31:55 2005 From: useless98 at hotmail.com (nojunk goaway) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:31:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for DR-3 and BX-125E In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8AA@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: >Consider it done. You will receive 2 emails from yousendit.com. The emails >will give you links to click on and you can then download the manuals, they >are aprox 2 meg each. > > Let me know if you have any probs. > > Cheers, > > Tom. Thanks very much Tom. Manuals received :) _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 10 22:13:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:13:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <420B7221.70803@cox.net> Message-ID: <005601c50fb5$50e7e880$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Tim It does not seem that Pioneer used the technology on anything other than cassette decks. They are STILL using it. I noticed today that there is a new 3-head deck, the T-D7, that uses this technology but applied within a digital domain. Did I just say "new"? I sure did! Yes, this unit appears to have been released in 2005, and is selling for c. 65,000 Yen. That's around £330 or $614, which is a lot of dosh for a cassette recorder these days. See http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www3.pioneer.co.j p/product/product_info.php%3Fproduct_no%3D00000254%26cate_cd%3D034%26option_ no%3D0&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPioneer%2BT-D7%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG or http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.rakuten.co.jp /aikyoku/556981/556990/588870/588874/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPioneer%2BT-D7%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: 10 February 2005 14:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX I've never heard the results of this FLEX circuit, but it sounds intriguing. I'm torn between wanting to dislike it because of the reasons that Ti so elequently presents below, and to thinking it's a great idea if used judiciously. Keep in mind that many of the 'original recordings' as we have on vinyl are usually watered down, limited, compressed, or otherwise adulterated versions of the 'original recording' as heard in the studio. So what is being butchered by the FLEX circuit? If you have the choice of switching it in or out, or perhaps of even moderating it's intrusion, it could be useful. I'm aware that some people record with the Dolby on and play with it off because they like the boost in highs. And I tend to think that most equalizers are mis-applied in home stereos and are used to increase the 'wow' factor more than to accurately correct speaker deficiencies or room acoustics. Sounds to me like a well-applied FLEX would be better in both instances. Did Pioneer ever try to market this FLEX in a stand-alone processor or as part of a preamp? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota Message-ID: <18641-420D5A01-200@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> Hi,heres the info. frommy ownrs manuel on my beloved 1989 Toyota truck regarding the long since replaced OEM tape unit..."Use only cassette tapes of good quality,having no damage.avoid using tapes with a totalplaying time longer than 90 minutes.Using damaged tapes would put the tape player into trouble(gotta love that).Be sure that the tape is not slack and that the label is firmy stuck on the shell before insertion.Have the tape firmly wound around the tape(word for word) by turning the hub with a pencil or the like.Be careful not to touch the disclosed tape surface.".The MAIN REASON i AM POSTING THIS IS TO GET FEEDBACK RGARDING THE SLACKNESS ISSUE.Is it a major concern with Naks to do this(take up the slack before play)??Would it be more for the health of the cassette than the Nak with its powerful moter?ALSO,AS A SIDE ISSUE,I GUeSS ITS POSSIBLE FOR THE LABEL TO CAUSE DAMAGE ON THE AUTO REVERSE NAKS USING OLD PRE-RECORDED CASSETTES,BUT(sorry caps) i think this was mainly a concern with the front load car cassettes .Regading the tape slack issue,i think one of the p9osters said that he always rewound/fast forwarded the tape to remove any slack before play.I made a post a long while back wondering if having a good quality non Nak dedicated fast forward /rewind deck wasnt a good idea to save wear and tear on the Nak and the cassette, but i dont recall much feedback on the issue. thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 11 15:06:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:06:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <420BA845.7040808@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000001c51042$e7563640$bbab87d9@oemcomputer> Kermit said: > > FLEX reminds me of the "auto" function on my FFT equalizer. Sounds like > a nice idea but I never use it. My clients deserve more attention than > a push of a button. > > You're probably right but don't forget this isn't meant to be for a professional application, just a domestic compromise between hearing what is unlistenable (i.e. no FLEX with a dull recording) to something that IS listenable. Besides, don't knock it until you've tried it!! <> Gra' > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 15:29:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:29:21 +0000 Subject: FW: RE: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? Message-ID: Kermit...did you really agreed? As seesme/appears or looks not true statement..by our lovely oldie member of our forum Mr.. Graham Nelson!!!? I read a lot that "It's IMPERATIVE or jussive mood to do so regularly or on a regular basis! Opinion...please Kermit! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag >"cassette"? >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:16 -0000 > >Personally, I occasionally use an old Sony demagnifier on my decks. I have >also used one of the cassette units in a car cassette recorder. > >However, it's worth remembering that their is a school of thought that says >demag'ing a cassette deck doesn't make a scrap of difference, that it's all >snake oil. I seem to recall our late member, Ron, was of that view - he >never demag'd his decks, and it's worth noting that Ron used to be a >designer, and one of his works was a cassette deck. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========-------------------------------------------------------- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 15:48:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:48:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? Message-ID: Bravo Kermit! I own 3 "Wand" type also the lovely "Annis Han-D-Mag...wired for Israel/Europe 230 v.ac, however the red curved/curving cover up probe is TO SHORT to touch the heads on my Dragon...Okay...the "Magnetic Flux"... is so intense...that I'm 100% sure that IF...do not touch the heads suffices/serves me very well or comfortably. Have a nice & productive day! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag >"cassette"? >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:54:36 -0500 > >Hi Iain, > >Iain McGhee wrote: >>But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? > >No. Not by a mile. It is nowhere as effective as it claims. I've had one >and I threw mine in the trash. > >>BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? > >Yes, because it applies greater magnetic flux, in a more consistent way, to >the head and ferrous parts to counter remanent magnetism, which is far >harder to eliminate than would seem. Bigger is better because of the >inverse square law and the tendency for magnetized things to want to remain >magnetized. A brief zap from a gimmick like the Discwasher will not remove >all remanent magnetism. Some, but not all, and not enough to ensure peak >condition of the heads. > >The single best demag'er, and the one preferred by serious pros, is the >Annis Han-D-Mag, which also includes a magnetometer to let you know you did >the job. It is strong enough to demagnetise a permanent magnet, so some >care has to be excercised. No demagnetizer will come close to it, and it is >the only unit I can recommend in good conscience. Your Nak rates only this >choice of demag'er. > >The Teac E-3 (I think the number is correct) is a distant second; most of >the other wands are close to the Teac, BUT I've seen a few wands that are >only marginally more effective than the Discwasher; they are usually quite >cheap, tubular-shaped and have off-brand names like "MagnePro," or "HyTek" >or other such silliness. > >I once ruined the magnets in my 600-II's VU meters by being extremely >careless with an Annis Han-D-Mag. Don't worry, though, you have to be >truly, utterly, supremely careless and totally distracted beyond reason to >make a blunder of that magnitude, as I was one that particular occasion >profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape heads when my girlfriend >walked in wearing only shoes. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Feb 11 16:07:39 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:07:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <005601c50fb5$50e7e880$9a904c51@oemcomputer> References: <420B7221.70803@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211100631.01cd68c8@pop.east.cox.net> Tim, I am going to look closer at this deck. I am just wondering if the newer decks in the higher price range don't give the equal bang for the buck. This one does sound rather intriguing. At 09:13 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Tim > >It does not seem that Pioneer used the technology on anything other than >cassette decks. They are STILL using it. I noticed today that there is a >new 3-head deck, the T-D7, that uses this technology but applied within a >digital domain. Did I just say "new"? I sure did! Yes, this unit >appears to have been released in 2005, and is selling for c. 65,000 >Yen. That's around £330 or $614, which is a lot of dosh for a cassette >recorder these days. See >http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php%3Fproduct_no%3D00000254%26cate_cd%3D034%26option_no%3D0&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPioneer%2BT-D7%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG >or >http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.rakuten.co.jp/aikyoku/556981/556990/588870/588874/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPioneer%2BT-D7%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG > >Gra' >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Tim Barrett >Sent: 10 February 2005 14:39 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX > >I've never heard the results of this FLEX circuit, but it sounds >intriguing. I'm torn between wanting to dislike it because of the reasons >that Ti so elequently presents below, and to thinking it's a great idea >if used judiciously. > >Keep in mind that many of the 'original recordings' as we have on vinyl >are usually watered down, limited, compressed, or otherwise adulterated >versions of the 'original recording' as heard in the studio. So what is >being butchered by the FLEX circuit? If you have the choice of switching >it in or out, or perhaps of even moderating it's intrusion, it could be >useful. I'm aware that some people record with the Dolby on and play with >it off because they like the boost in highs. And I tend to think that >most equalizers are mis-applied in home stereos and are used to increase >the 'wow' factor more than to accurately correct speaker deficiencies or >room acoustics. Sounds to me like a well-applied FLEX would be better in >both instances. > >Did Pioneer ever try to market this FLEX in a stand-alone processor or as >part of a preamp? > >Tim > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 11 17:48:48 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:48:48 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Thanks everyone! Message-ID: <20050211164848.40334.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> Firstly, my apologies for the typographical errors in my posts (5am jobbies y'know). FLEX sounds great for old or abused tapes - I found the original copy of Enya's "Watermark" that HAD been in good condition but it resurfaced years later (4 days ago actually) sans case and...it needs FLEX! Nothing more frustrating than remembering what that exact recording used to sound like and hearing, well, no need to describe, you all know. Yeah I can get a CD copy and record it but it's nice to play the originals. Point form now. Gra': I definitely heard much better HF response after demagging that first time when I got the RX-202. The list: seems reasonable! But I've read other plausible lists - subjectivity (and pistols at dawn ;-) rule in audio. 1000ZXL at the top seems sane - the specs bear that out too. Most of the posts and reviews put CR-7 PB ahead of the Dragon. BUT, I can say this with certainty, there is an international demand right now for CR-7s and ZX-9s in good condition, above any other models, local dealer here said he'd noticed it too. Glad you mentioned the CR-5, if I can't get a 7 I'd like a 5. Wands vs DMAG: Thanks everyone for their input, and whilst I'm not going to chuck out my DMAG, I'll keep a look out for an Annis Han-D-Mag, who wants to bet 10 cents that it's not sold in Australia? Alex: Thanks for forwarding my NakChatt post, it saved me from writing a second for here! My AudioAsylum nick is KrunchiePops (don't ask), hope to see some more of you in Tape Trail (most people sign with their real first name in the posts themselves in Tape Trail - unlike a lot of the forums), and it'd be nice to have someone in the chatroom apart from ChrisG (he owns an RX-505) and myself who is a tapehead 'cos 80% of the other chatters think we're nutters for liking cassette still. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From 3ld at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 11 14:36:26 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:36:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <420BF43C.9050107@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> <420BF43C.9050107@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <420CB4DA.5050302@bellsouth.net> Kermit, How does the Nak DM-10 stand in your hierarchy of demagnitisers? Mike Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Iain, > > Iain McGhee wrote: > >> But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? > > > No. Not by a mile. It is nowhere as effective as it claims. I've had > one and I threw mine in the trash. > >> BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? > > > Yes, because it applies greater magnetic flux, in a more consistent > way, to the head and ferrous parts to counter remanent magnetism, > which is far harder to eliminate than would seem. Bigger is better > because of the inverse square law and the tendency for magnetized > things to want to remain magnetized. A brief zap from a gimmick like > the Discwasher will not remove all remanent magnetism. Some, but not > all, and not enough to ensure peak condition of the heads. > > The single best demag'er, and the one preferred by serious pros, is > the Annis Han-D-Mag, which also includes a magnetometer to let you > know you did the job. It is strong enough to demagnetise a permanent > magnet, so some care has to be excercised. No demagnetizer will come > close to it, and it is the only unit I can recommend in good > conscience. Your Nak rates only this choice of demag'er. > > The Teac E-3 (I think the number is correct) is a distant second; most > of the other wands are close to the Teac, BUT I've seen a few wands > that are only marginally more effective than the Discwasher; they are > usually quite cheap, tubular-shaped and have off-brand names like > "MagnePro," or "HyTek" or other such silliness. > > I once ruined the magnets in my 600-II's VU meters by being extremely > careless with an Annis Han-D-Mag. Don't worry, though, you have to be > truly, utterly, supremely careless and totally distracted beyond > reason to make a blunder of that magnitude, as I was one that > particular occasion profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape > heads when my girlfriend walked in wearing only shoes. > > N-Joy! > From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Feb 11 16:30:06 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:30:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <200502111329.j1BDTKmc021252@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: That would distract almost any man. I won't think less of you. You da man Kermit! Gary >>I once ruined the magnets in my 600-II's VU meters by being extremely careless with an Annis Han-D-Mag. Don't worry, though, you have to be truly, utterly, supremely careless and totally distracted beyond reason to make a blunder of that magnitude, as I was one that particular occasion profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape heads when my girlfriend walked in wearing only shoes. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 11 19:57:16 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:57:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, ZX-9... Message-ID: <64.4eb39f00.2f3e5a0c@aol.com> Hi Gra, You probably mean the 700ZXL as I have NEVER! heard about a 7000ZXL! I have a 700ZXL in additon to Dragon and a CR-7A is on the way! Maybe I will buy a ZX-9 too one of the days! always have been in owe of the ZX-9 used to read Nakamichi ad in the Audio and Stereo Review and like an attractive woman( Iam sorry for saying this!) always lusted for one!! LOL:) With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sat Feb 12 04:01:52 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Audioetc) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:01:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota In-Reply-To: <18641-420D5A01-200@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> References: <18641-420D5A01-200@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050211215135.0259ba88@pop.videotron.ca> At 20:21 02/11/2005, you wrote: >The MAIN REASON i AM POSTING THIS IS TO GET >FEEDBACK RGARDING THE SLACKNESS ISSUE.Is it a major concern with Naks to >do this(take up the slack before play)?? Gerald, most Nakamichi cassette decks have a feature that automatically takes up the slack when you insert a tape and shut the door of the cassette compartment. Try it for yourself: create a slack by purposedly turning one of the reels backwards (one or two turns), then insert the tape into the cassette, then watch the reels while shutting the door. You will see that the reels turn briefly to pick up the slack even before you have time to press play. Back on the list for a couple of days after several weeks off, now with a new email address. My previous address was apparently giving enough problems to the list server that it decided to throw me off. Cheers to all. Regards, -Marc From ti at amb.org Sat Feb 12 03:41:28 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:41:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota In-Reply-To: <18641-420D5A01-200@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Feb 11, 2005 07:21:05 PM Message-ID: <20050212024128.CC4D2252A9@smtp.amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > ... > The MAIN REASON i AM POSTING THIS IS TO GET > FEEDBACK RGARDING THE SLACKNESS ISSUE.Is it a major concern with Naks to > do this(take up the slack before play)?? > ... All dual capstan Naks have automatic slack take-up mechanism. After you load the tape and close the door, the rewind mechanism is activated for a brief moment to take up any slack. This is important on dual capstan decks as you could imagine, if there was slack between the capstans the tape could get chewed up when playback starts. On single capstan decks, the take-up reel spins faster than the capstan on startup to remove the slack. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 12 05:07:57 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:07:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <420CB4DA.5050302@bellsouth.net> References: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com> <420BF43C.9050107@woods-and-waters.com> <420CB4DA.5050302@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <420D811D.7010203@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Michael, Michael Moore wrote: > Kermit, > How does the Nak DM-10 stand in your hierarchy of demagnitisers? > Mike > I'm chagrined I forgot about it! It's a very good unit! Slightly better than the Teac E-3. > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Iain, >> >> Iain McGhee wrote: >> >>> But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? >> >> >> >> No. Not by a mile. It is nowhere as effective as it claims. I've had >> one and I threw mine in the trash. >> >>> BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? >> >> >> >> Yes, because it applies greater magnetic flux, in a more consistent >> way, to the head and ferrous parts to counter remanent magnetism, >> which is far harder to eliminate than would seem. Bigger is better >> because of the inverse square law and the tendency for magnetized >> things to want to remain magnetized. A brief zap from a gimmick like >> the Discwasher will not remove all remanent magnetism. Some, but not >> all, and not enough to ensure peak condition of the heads. >> >> The single best demag'er, and the one preferred by serious pros, is >> the Annis Han-D-Mag, which also includes a magnetometer to let you >> know you did the job. It is strong enough to demagnetise a permanent >> magnet, so some care has to be excercised. No demagnetizer will come >> close to it, and it is the only unit I can recommend in good >> conscience. Your Nak rates only this choice of demag'er. >> >> The Teac E-3 (I think the number is correct) is a distant second; most >> of the other wands are close to the Teac, BUT I've seen a few wands >> that are only marginally more effective than the Discwasher; they are >> usually quite cheap, tubular-shaped and have off-brand names like >> "MagnePro," or "HyTek" or other such silliness. >> >> I once ruined the magnets in my 600-II's VU meters by being extremely >> careless with an Annis Han-D-Mag. Don't worry, though, you have to be >> truly, utterly, supremely careless and totally distracted beyond >> reason to make a blunder of that magnitude, as I was one that >> particular occasion profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape >> heads when my girlfriend walked in wearing only shoes. >> >> N-Joy! >> > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 12 05:12:22 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <004501c50fa9$e2038ba0$9a904c51@oemcomputer> References: <004501c50fa9$e2038ba0$9a904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <420D8226.20307@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Note that ALL test tapes instruct you to demagnetize tape heads prior to use to prevent erasure of high frequencies. I've been using pro recorders since 1975, and can attest from all those years of experience that failing to routinely demagnetize your decks's heads WILL lead to increased noise, reduced highs because of erasure and eventually increase distortion. Over the years, some persons, including (amazingly) some designers, (mainly of cassette decks) have at times advised against demagnetizers, claiming that once you've played a tape all the residual magnetism returns, so don't bother. TRUE, that the moment you play or record, you do begin to cause magnetization -- but not to "full strength" if you will. Question: will stroking a nail ONCE with a magnet immediately make the nail magnetized to full strength? Answer: NO. You knew that! Similarly, the magnetism builds up across the tape heads and ferrous tape path parts GRADUALLY, which is why you can go as long as 40 hours or so with cassettes but only about 6 to 8 hours with 30-ips machines. But hey, never for get: Niro Nakamichi recommended using demagnetizers. So did Willi Studer, Alexander M. Poniatoff, Les Paul, and Mr. Scully. I'll take the word of those guys over some self-elected "expert" who has written some screed on the Internet or a magazine. I'll also take the word of my gaussmeter when it shows me how much magnetism has built up on my heads over time before using a demagnetizer and thereafter the use. (Apologies for the "attitude" there.) If anyone remains in doubt, don't take my word for it. Get an Annis Han-D-Mag with the optional gaussmeter kit and measure it for yourself. Hope this helps. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com Nelson wrote: > Personally, I occasionally use an old Sony demagnifier on my decks. I have > also used one of the cassette units in a car cassette recorder. > > However, it's worth remembering that their is a school of thought that says > demag'ing a cassette deck doesn't make a scrap of difference, that it's all > snake oil. I seem to recall our late member, Ron, was of that view - he > never demag'd his decks, and it's worth noting that Ron used to be a > designer, and one of his works was a cassette deck. > > Gra' > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:46:46 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:46:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota In-Reply-To: <18641-420D5A01-200@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <007b01c510e7$c4456860$15cf4c51@oemcomputer> I love those instructions!! Personally, I've always been warring of using fast-forward to take up slack in a cassette. I DO use the pencil or a hand tape winder that I boughtsome time ago. I use fast forward only for "re-spooling" AFTER tightening the tape. This may be overkill but I've stretched tapes before and haven't since being THAT careful!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 12 February 2005 01:21 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota > > > Hi,heres the info. frommy ownrs manuel on my beloved 1989 Toyota truck > regarding the long since replaced OEM tape unit..."Use only cassette > tapes of good quality,having no damage.avoid using tapes with a > totalplaying time longer than 90 minutes.Using damaged tapes would put > the tape player into trouble(gotta love that).Be sure that the tape is > not slack and that the label is firmy stuck on the shell before > insertion.Have the tape firmly wound around the tape(word for word) by > turning the hub with a pencil or the like.Be careful not to touch the > disclosed tape surface.".The MAIN REASON i AM POSTING THIS IS TO GET > FEEDBACK RGARDING THE SLACKNESS ISSUE.Is it a major concern with Naks to > do this(take up the slack before play)??Would it be more for the health > of the cassette than the Nak with its powerful moter?ALSO,AS A SIDE > ISSUE,I GUeSS ITS POSSIBLE FOR THE LABEL TO CAUSE DAMAGE ON THE AUTO > REVERSE NAKS USING OLD PRE-RECORDED CASSETTES,BUT(sorry caps) i think > this was mainly a concern with the front load car cassettes .Regading > the tape slack issue,i think one of the p9osters said that he always > rewound/fast forwarded the tape to remove any slack before play.I made > a post a long while back wondering if having a good quality non Nak > dedicated fast forward /rewind deck wasnt a good idea to save wear and > tear on the Nak and the cassette, but i dont recall much feedback on the > issue. > > thank you very much, > gerald > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 12 18:01:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <420D8226.20307@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <00b801c51124$86c0bc00$15cf4c51@oemcomputer> Nice post, Kermit. Have to say, I always have used the demagnetiser, and always will. I believed I heard distortion on some decks in the past that seemed to benefit from demagnetising. (Even the cassette version seemed to do okay with a car cassette deck, wherein I couldn't reach with my Sony.) However, whilst I've always thought I heard a difference, it was generally subtle and I sometimes wondered if I was imaging it! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 12 February 2005 04:12 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag > "cassette"? > > > Hi Gra' > > Note that ALL test tapes instruct you to demagnetize tape heads prior to > use to prevent erasure of high frequencies. I've been using pro > recorders since 1975, and can attest from all those years of experience > that failing to routinely demagnetize your decks's heads WILL lead to > increased noise, reduced highs because of erasure and eventually > increase distortion. > > Over the years, some persons, including (amazingly) some designers, > (mainly of cassette decks) have at times advised against demagnetizers, > claiming that once you've played a tape all the residual magnetism > returns, so don't bother. TRUE, that the moment you play or record, you > do begin to cause magnetization -- but not to "full strength" if you will. > > Question: will stroking a nail ONCE with a magnet immediately make the > nail magnetized to full strength? Answer: NO. You knew that! Similarly, > the magnetism builds up across the tape heads and ferrous tape path > parts GRADUALLY, which is why you can go as long as 40 hours or so with > cassettes but only about 6 to 8 hours with 30-ips machines. > > But hey, never for get: Niro Nakamichi recommended using demagnetizers. > So did Willi Studer, Alexander M. Poniatoff, Les Paul, and Mr. Scully. > I'll take the word of those guys over some self-elected "expert" who has > written some screed on the Internet or a magazine. I'll also take the > word of my gaussmeter when it shows me how much magnetism has built up > on my heads over time before using a demagnetizer and thereafter the > use. (Apologies for the "attitude" there.) > > If anyone remains in doubt, don't take my word for it. Get an Annis > Han-D-Mag with the optional gaussmeter kit and measure it for yourself. > > Hope this helps. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 12 18:01:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, ZX-9... In-Reply-To: <64.4eb39f00.2f3e5a0c@aol.com> Message-ID: <00b301c51124$85a36520$15cf4c51@oemcomputer> I got Dyslexic fingers, Ali! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 11 February 2005 18:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, ZX-9... Hi Gra, You probably mean the 700ZXL as I have NEVER! heard about a 7000ZXL! I have a 700ZXL in additon to Dragon and a CR-7A is on the way! Maybe I will buy a ZX-9 too one of the days! always have been in owe of the ZX-9 used to read Nakamichi ad in the Audio and Stereo Review and like an attractive woman( Iam sorry for saying this!) always lusted for one!! LOL:) With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 18:16:25 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:16:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? Message-ID: Bravo...Kermit! So true!!!! Your statement is 100% absolute honest & true!!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag >"cassette"? >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:22 -0500 > >Hi Gra' > >Note that ALL test tapes instruct you to demagnetize tape heads prior to >use to prevent erasure of high frequencies. I've been using pro recorders >since 1975, and can attest from all those years of experience that failing >to routinely demagnetize your decks's heads WILL lead to increased noise, >reduced highs because of erasure and eventually increase distortion. > >Over the years, some persons, including (amazingly) some designers, (mainly >of cassette decks) have at times advised against demagnetizers, claiming >that once you've played a tape all the residual magnetism returns, so don't >bother. TRUE, that the moment you play or record, you do begin to cause >magnetization -- but not to "full strength" if you will. > >Question: will stroking a nail ONCE with a magnet immediately make the nail >magnetized to full strength? Answer: NO. You knew that! Similarly, the >magnetism builds up across the tape heads and ferrous tape path parts >GRADUALLY, which is why you can go as long as 40 hours or so with cassettes >but only about 6 to 8 hours with 30-ips machines. > >But hey, never for get: Niro Nakamichi recommended using demagnetizers. So >did Willi Studer, Alexander M. Poniatoff, Les Paul, and Mr. Scully. I'll >take the word of those guys over some self-elected "expert" who has written >some screed on the Internet or a magazine. I'll also take the word of my >gaussmeter when it shows me how much magnetism has built up on my heads >over time before using a demagnetizer and thereafter the use. (Apologies >for the "attitude" there.) > >If anyone remains in doubt, don't take my word for it. Get an Annis >Han-D-Mag with the optional gaussmeter kit and measure it for yourself. > >Hope this helps. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > >Nelson wrote: >>Personally, I occasionally use an old Sony demagnifier on my decks. I >>have >>also used one of the cassette units in a car cassette recorder. >> >>However, it's worth remembering that their is a school of thought that >>says >>demag'ing a cassette deck doesn't make a scrap of difference, that it's >>all >>snake oil. I seem to recall our late member, Ron, was of that view - he >>never demag'd his decks, and it's worth noting that Ron used to be a >>designer, and one of his works was a cassette deck. >> >>Gra' >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 18:32:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:32:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks everyone! In-Reply-To: <20050211164848.40334.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Iain! Here exactly what you want! http://catalyst.thirdeyemedia.net/rbannis/viewcategory.eye?category=893 Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Iain McGhee >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Thanks everyone! >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:48:48 +1100 (EST) > >Firstly, my apologies for the typographical errors in >my posts (5am jobbies y'know). > >FLEX sounds great for old or abused tapes - I found >the original copy of Enya's "Watermark" that HAD been >in good condition but it resurfaced years later (4 >days ago actually) sans case and...it needs FLEX! >Nothing more frustrating than remembering what that >exact recording used to sound like and hearing, well, >no need to describe, you all know. Yeah I can get a >CD copy and record it but it's nice to play the >originals. > >Point form now. > >Gra': I definitely heard much better HF response after >demagging that first time when I got the RX-202. The >list: seems reasonable! But I've read other plausible >lists - subjectivity (and pistols at dawn ;-) rule in >audio. 1000ZXL at the top seems sane - the specs bear >that out too. Most of the posts and reviews put CR-7 >PB ahead of the Dragon. BUT, I can say this with >certainty, there is an international demand right now >for CR-7s and ZX-9s in good condition, above any other >models, local dealer here said he'd noticed it too. >Glad you mentioned the CR-5, if I can't get a 7 I'd >like a 5. > >Wands vs DMAG: Thanks everyone for their input, and >whilst I'm not going to chuck out my DMAG, I'll keep a >look out for an Annis Han-D-Mag, who wants to bet 10 >cents that it's not sold in Australia? > >Alex: Thanks for forwarding my NakChatt post, it saved >me from writing a second for here! My AudioAsylum >nick is KrunchiePops (don't ask), hope to see some >more of you in Tape Trail (most people sign with their >real first name in the posts themselves in Tape Trail >- unlike a lot of the forums), and it'd be nice to >have someone in the chatroom apart from ChrisG (he >owns an RX-505) and myself who is a tapehead 'cos 80% >of the other chatters think we're nutters for liking >cassette still. > >Iain > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 12 19:39:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:39:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <000001c51042$e7563640$bbab87d9@oemcomputer> References: <000001c51042$e7563640$bbab87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <420E4D79.6040807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Kermit said: > >>FLEX reminds me of the "auto" function on my FFT equalizer. Sounds like >>a nice idea but I never use it. My clients deserve more attention than >>a push of a button. >> >> > > You're probably right but don't forget this isn't meant to be for a > professional application, just a domestic compromise between hearing what is > unlistenable (i.e. no FLEX with a dull recording) to something that IS > listenable. > > Besides, don't knock it until you've tried it!! <> > Right! I'm borrowing a Pioneer Ct-S730S (I think the number is correct) from an acquaintance fitted with FLEX next week and will put it through its paces. Test results soon! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 18:12:27 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:12:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota Message-ID: Dear Gerald & my Buddy Gra'! All top of the line Naks decks take all slack reverse before play or record any cassette! Also I copied what my good Buddy Gra' state...with a pencil or my thinnest finger to reverse any slack. Concerning listening ANY cassette with my radio/tape on my car, I ALWAYS...since more of 2 decades NEVER...but...NEVER stick any label to the shell, as here in Israel where I live, it's extremely hot during Summer...and much more inside the car, because my knowledge teach me that such glue in the labels went away...with the time, and 100% sure the mechanism inside fail...! Also since ALWAYS I use only "Reliable" cassettes brands, no problem with my many radio.tape units during 2 decades. Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota Date: Sat, 12 Feb >2005 09:46:46 -0000 > >I love those instructions!! > >Personally, I've always been warring of using fast-forward to take up slack >in a cassette. I DO use the pencil or a hand tape winder that I boughtsome >time ago. I use fast forward only for "re-spooling" AFTER tightening the >tape. This may be overkill but I've stretched tapes before and haven't >since being THAT careful!! > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Gerald G. > > Sent: 12 February 2005 01:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota > > > > > > Hi,heres the info. frommy ownrs manuel on my beloved 1989 Toyota truck > > regarding the long since replaced OEM tape unit..."Use only cassette > > tapes of good quality,having no damage.avoid using tapes with a > > totalplaying time longer than 90 minutes.Using damaged tapes would put > > the tape player into trouble(gotta love that).Be sure that the tape is > > not slack and that the label is firmy stuck on the shell before > > insertion.Have the tape firmly wound around the tape(word for word) by > > turning the hub with a pencil or the like.Be careful not to touch the > > disclosed tape surface.".The MAIN REASON i AM POSTING THIS IS TO GET > > FEEDBACK RGARDING THE SLACKNESS ISSUE.Is it a major concern with Naks to > > do this(take up the slack before play)??Would it be more for the health > > of the cassette than the Nak with its powerful moter?ALSO,AS A SIDE > > ISSUE,I GUeSS ITS POSSIBLE FOR THE LABEL TO CAUSE DAMAGE ON THE AUTO > > REVERSE NAKS USING OLD PRE-RECORDED CASSETTES,BUT(sorry caps) i think > > this was mainly a concern with the front load car cassettes .Regading > > the tape slack issue,i think one of the p9osters said that he always > > rewound/fast forwarded the tape to remove any slack before play.I made > > a post a long while back wondering if having a good quality non Nak > > dedicated fast forward /rewind deck wasnt a good idea to save wear and > > tear on the Nak and the cassette, but i dont recall much feedback on the > > issue. > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 12 19:50:01 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:50:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy is back. Phew! Message-ID: <420E4FD9.60103@woods-and-waters.com> Fellow Nakkers, From U. S. Recording Media, who are good friends with Quantegy's owners, comes this news: "Quantegy has re-instated full audio production again. Also, there definitely will be a new studio quality open reel audio tape manufacturer in Pennsylvania starting in May or early June and maybe even as early as April. They're going to be making very good tape for almost everyone from the studio through broadcast, government, and even the home recordist. We feel everything from the new tape boxes through the sound and slitting of the tape is going to have a "classic" touch to it." -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From jmtooley at verizon.net Sat Feb 12 21:46:14 2005 From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:46:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLI 35-90B Message-ID: <009b01c51143$e53d2d80$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl> I just put two 7" reels of Maxell XLI 35-90B back coated tape on eBay if anybody here is interested. John T. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4074479816 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4700355914 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Used to happen sometimes on my old dual capstan Sony TC-K81; notably, it's never happened with my CR-3. best, Fred On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:17 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota >> >> >> Hi,heres the info. frommy ownrs manuel on my beloved 1989 Toyota truck >> regarding the long since replaced OEM tape unit..."Use only cassette >> tapes of good quality,having no damage.avoid using tapes with a >> totalplaying time longer than 90 minutes.Using damaged tapes would put >> the tape player into trouble(gotta love that).Be sure that the tape is >> not slack and that the label is firmy stuck on the shell before >> insertion.Have the tape firmly wound around the tape(word for word) by >> turning the hub with a pencil or the like.Be careful not to touch the >> disclosed tape surface.".The MAIN REASON i AM POSTING THIS IS TO GET >> FEEDBACK RGARDING THE SLACKNESS ISSUE.Is it a major concern with Naks >> to >> do this(take up the slack before play)??Would it be more for the >> health >> of the cassette than the Nak with its powerful moter?ALSO,AS A SIDE >> ISSUE,I GUeSS ITS POSSIBLE FOR THE LABEL TO CAUSE DAMAGE ON THE AUTO >> REVERSE NAKS USING OLD PRE-RECORDED CASSETTES,BUT(sorry caps) i think >> this was mainly a concern with the front load car cassettes .Regading >> the tape slack issue,i think one of the p9osters said that he always >> rewound/fast forwarded the tape to remove any slack before play.I >> made >> a post a long while back wondering if having a good quality non Nak >> dedicated fast forward /rewind deck wasnt a good idea to save wear and >> tear on the Nak and the cassette, but i dont recall much feedback on >> the >> issue. >> >> thank you very much, >> gerald From aam4w at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 02:27:35 2005 From: aam4w at yahoo.com (larry chang) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] opinions about CR3 Message-ID: <20050213012735.31133.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, all at Naktalk! Would any one like to share their opinions about the CR3? Pros? Cons? Are there other decks I might consider instead? Though all tape decks require some maintenance, I'd love one that is not particularly temperamental, one for which I can buy parts years from now. This is a belt-drive unit....how does the belt hold up? Is it very difficult for the average guy to change? Thanks, Larry --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aam4w at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 02:31:51 2005 From: aam4w at yahoo.com (larry chang) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:31:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] more questions about CR3 Message-ID: <20050213013151.42239.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, again! As a follow up to my last questions about the CR3, what is its approx. current market value? What did it usually go for in 1993? Larry --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Sun Feb 13 11:04:48 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? References: <20050210143026.92428.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com><420BF43C.9050107@woods-and-waters.com><420CB4DA.5050302@bellsouth.net> <420D811D.7010203@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003d01c511b3$73b6b8a0$0200a8c0@lan> Hi, Guys, Since I bought my 2-track Revox A77 in 1974 , I use a Sony HE-2 demagnetizer. Although a little bulky, I use it now also for my 582 & 680ZX It works fb (fine business = good =HAM-jargon) to all 3 machines. Regards, Johan Berserik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net> Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? > Hi Michael, > > Michael Moore wrote: > > Kermit, > > How does the Nak DM-10 stand in your hierarchy of demagnitisers? > > Mike > > > > I'm chagrined I forgot about it! It's a very good unit! Slightly better > than the Teac E-3. > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > >> Hi Iain, > >> > >> Iain McGhee wrote: > >> > >>> But does it demagnetise as well as a wand? > >> > >> > >> > >> No. Not by a mile. It is nowhere as effective as it claims. I've had > >> one and I threw mine in the trash. > >> > >>> BUT IS A WAND BETTER - and if so, why? > >> > >> > >> > >> Yes, because it applies greater magnetic flux, in a more consistent > >> way, to the head and ferrous parts to counter remanent magnetism, > >> which is far harder to eliminate than would seem. Bigger is better > >> because of the inverse square law and the tendency for magnetized > >> things to want to remain magnetized. A brief zap from a gimmick like > >> the Discwasher will not remove all remanent magnetism. Some, but not > >> all, and not enough to ensure peak condition of the heads. > >> > >> The single best demag'er, and the one preferred by serious pros, is > >> the Annis Han-D-Mag, which also includes a magnetometer to let you > >> know you did the job. It is strong enough to demagnetise a permanent > >> magnet, so some care has to be excercised. No demagnetizer will come > >> close to it, and it is the only unit I can recommend in good > >> conscience. Your Nak rates only this choice of demag'er. > >> > >> The Teac E-3 (I think the number is correct) is a distant second; most > >> of the other wands are close to the Teac, BUT I've seen a few wands > >> that are only marginally more effective than the Discwasher; they are > >> usually quite cheap, tubular-shaped and have off-brand names like > >> "MagnePro," or "HyTek" or other such silliness. > >> > >> I once ruined the magnets in my 600-II's VU meters by being extremely > >> careless with an Annis Han-D-Mag. Don't worry, though, you have to be > >> truly, utterly, supremely careless and totally distracted beyond > >> reason to make a blunder of that magnitude, as I was one that > >> particular occasion profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape > >> heads when my girlfriend walked in wearing only shoes. > >> > >> N-Joy! > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 13 13:08:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:08:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alternatives to Nakamichi FLEX In-Reply-To: <420E4D79.6040807@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000001c511c4$bdecc480$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Kermit said "I'm borrowing a Pioneer Ct-S730S (I think the number is correct) > from an acquaintance fitted with FLEX next week and will put it through > its paces. Test results soon!" Excellent!! I look forward to that. The reviews I read on the CT-S730S have been good and it is supposed to be very close in performance to its bigger brother, the CT-S830S. Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 13 13:08:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:08:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy is back. Phew! In-Reply-To: <420E4FD9.60103@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000101c511c4$bf228560$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Yippeeee!!!! Those guys are like Captain Scarlet - INDESTRUCTIBLE!!! Gra' > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 13 13:38:54 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:38:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Player 1989 Toyota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c511c8$fa5f2d00$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> I would add to my previous comments that, in spite of my ZX-9 taking up the slack, as described by other good Nak brothers, it still has a habit of snapping tapes longer than a C90 at that moment! I lost some very nice C110 metal tapes that way ... But then, the manual for the ZX9 does say not use tapes longer than a C90 ... so, I've only myself to blame. (Don't have that problem with the CTS830S.) Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 13 13:53:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:53:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] opinions about CR3 In-Reply-To: <20050213012735.31133.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c511cb$073256e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Larry My Cent's worth .... I don't think you can rely on being able to buy new spare parts for any Nakamichi years from now because they aren't producing them any more. What there is left in the World is in the hands of a very few people and some of them are very sensible making sure their pension funds are boosted with what they can make from the rarity value of these precious pieces! As far as I can tell only three manufacturers are still making parts for their cassette decks - ReVox, Pioneer (who, strangely, are still launching new cassette recorders!) and Tascam. Therefore, you are probably better off going for the slightly less sophisticated machines from which cannibalised parts may be available for a good while longer. A CR3 will be nice. A CR5 will be even better! But the best idea is to see what these decks are fetching. Prices are much lower than they were just a year or so ago. Even then, some decks fetch a premium, sometimes beyond their worth relative to others. For example, the ZX-9 (my own model) are fetching much higher prices than the ZX-7, which is not so very different a machine and, unless you have a particularly acute or otherwise sensitive hearing (e.g. for sustained piano notes), it probably sounds just as good as its more popular big brother. (It's also handy in that it's all manual calibration, thence, less to go wrong!) But then, most Nak's sound good always provided - and this is important - you have them serviced by an engineer who knows Nak's and has the right (I mean Nakamichi) tools for the job. The guy on the corner who does the TVs, all and sundry electrical good for cheap prices, is unlikely to have the right skills or tools for the job, and you'll never get the best out of your Nak by using him/her. The best guys sometimes cost more than the regular ones but, hey! Do you want amateurs and cowboys working on your Nak or professionals? <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of larry chang Sent: 13 February 2005 01:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] opinions about CR3 Hi, all at Naktalk! Would any one like to share their opinions about the CR3? Pros? Cons? Are there other decks I might consider instead? Though all tape decks require some maintenance, I'd love one that is not particularly temperamental, one for which I can buy parts years from now. This is a belt-drive unit....how does the belt hold up? Is it very difficult for the average guy to change? 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 13 13:53:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:53:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <003d01c511b3$73b6b8a0$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <001201c511cb$0a8133c0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Mine's a Sony HE-2, too. Got it new MANY years ago, when they still came in boxes and not blister packs. I sometimes think the thin wand would be easier to get to some parts but, on the other hand, the shortness of the Sony also makes it easier to control and to avoid touching things that out not be touched! Changing the subject slightly, has anyone ever used a demagnetiser on a cartridge? Does it work? (I presume you can't use them on a moving magnet cartridge!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Berserik, J.E. > Sent: 13 February 2005 10:05 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag > "cassette"? > > > Hi, Guys, > > Since I bought my 2-track Revox A77 in 1974 , I use a Sony HE-2 > demagnetizer. > Although a little bulky, I use it now also for my 582 & 680ZX > It works fb (fine business = good =HAM-jargon) to all 3 machines. > Regards, > Johan Berserik > > From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Feb 13 16:31:30 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:31:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DMag Cassette & Demagnetizing Decks Message-ID: <002601c511e1$20412060$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Howdy there, Graham, Kermit, et al...... I'm also a proponent of regularly utilizing a demagnetizer on the cassette decks. I do my Nak and Marantz decks about every two months (usually a Saturday afternoon activity for me), when I do the usual cleaning with swabs, visually inspect cassette transports, demagnetize using Nak DM-10 wand. I look at thism kind of maintenance as preventative, and the results have been very satisfactory over the years. I can't remember the last time I had a cassette jam or damaged tape in my Nak deckls (probably happened ten years ago on one of my older two headed Mararntz decks). When you keep your Naks in tiptop shape, and demagnetize the discrete heads and metal cassette transport innards, they'll perform flawlessly. I also use a DiscWasher DMagg cassette for my moble Nak deck, that DMagg is a very effective and convenient component to have in the maintnenace toolkit. I do the DMagg thing once a week, since I use the TD-560 daily in my driving to/from work commutes. Then, approximately every two months, I slip the TD-560 out of the dash of the Honda Prelude, and carry the mobile deck to the workshop for an opening to clean the tape transport and playback head. Again, the DM-10 is very adaptable to manuevering into the cramped space of a mobile Nak deck, although one needs to be extra careful not to twist or sratch anything fragile. Have a peek at what a DeMag cassette looks like at thios webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demaggfaq.html Nak prescribed maintenance: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmaintenance.html There you have it, definately do the extra chores and keep you Nak well-trimmed and running as they should! Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W kjbleus at lycos.com http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:42 -0000 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <00b801c51124$86c0bc00$15cf4c51 at oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nice post, Kermit. Have to say, I always have used the demagnetiser, and always will. I believed I heard distortion on some decks in the past that seemed to benefit from demagnetising. (Even the cassette version seemed to do okay with a car cassette deck, wherein I couldn't reach with my Sony.) However, whilst I've always thought I heard a difference, it was generally subtle and I sometimes wondered if I was imaging it! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 12 February 2005 04:12 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag > "cassette"? > > > Hi Gra' > > Note that ALL test tapes instruct you to demagnetize tape heads prior to > use to prevent erasure of high frequencies. I've been using pro > recorders since 1975, and can attest from all those years of experience > that failing to routinely demagnetize your decks's heads WILL lead to > increased noise, reduced highs because of erasure and eventually > increase distortion. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 13 21:34:59 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:34:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new server Message-ID: <420FB9F3.6060108@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone I'm upgrading Naks.com server to a new more powerful and modern server. This can maybe cause some problems in the next days for naktalk and audiotalk, if you experience any problems don't be alarmed. If in the end of this week you still have problems contact me offline. Wouter From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Sun Feb 13 15:41:31 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:41:31 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] That's Han-D info... ;-) Message-ID: <20050213144131.79192.qmail@web40629.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Alex. Anyone got a clue which model is best in the Annis range? God, with getting a stockpile of tape happening, a new interconnect for the CD player, better speaker stands...the list gets loooooonger! Speaking of interconnects, Poth Audio Boo Jr (copper) interconnects work amazingly well with Nak sound. I found that using an all silver combo with the RX-202E (silver interconnect, silver speaker cable) made the Nak sound thin and lifeless - has anyone experienced this? The moment I got silver speaker cabling (which sounds phenomenal) the Nak hated it. My cheaparse budget copper IC (not the Poth one) sounded better on the Nak than the expensive silver IC does when I added the Slinkylinks silver speaker cable, yet with the copper speaker cabling the silver IC sounded great on the 202. A friend said "Well, the RX-202 isn't a Dragon you know" - and silver does tend to drag the guts out of source and you find out damned quickly if said source is up to it. However, the RX-505 is much closer to a Dragon sonically - I'll see soon. Maybe Naks sound better with some copper in the mix, some equipment does. Might just be my system I guess, interconnects are so system dependant. Err, please no-one say "any old wire will do" (someone always does ;-) 'cos if your amplification and source are resolving enough it makes a hell of a difference (and yes some $$$ interconnects and speaker cabling are just $$$ and not worth it), but some are, I am not entering into THAT debate 'cos I satisfied it with my own ears. But the all silver/Nak thing bemuses me. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rjkent at comcast.net Sun Feb 13 19:50:41 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:50:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Message-ID: <000801c511fc$eab41b70$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Larry, The CR-3, and CR-4 are very nice 3 head machines ( I have had a 3, and still have a 4), and both have the gear drive for the real hubs (assuming someone hasn't swapped them out and replaced them with an idler tire). The belts for the capstan drive do get tired with age, but they are available and replaceable if you are reasonably handy. If you drop to the CR-1 or CR-2, you get only a two head machine and single capstan, and a slight drop in performance. If you jump to the CR-5, you get some added features, but you also get the idler tire drive for the real hubs (these are very cheap, and reasonably easy to replace). The CR-7, of course, is the Holy Grail of the CR series, because it has auto calibration for playback head azimuth, and level and bias current for each channel.....of course you pay for this, but a well functioning CR-7 is awsome (mine was rebuilt by ESL and works wonderfully). The later production years for the CR-7 have the gear drive for the real hubs, while the earlier ones have the idler tire.....again, the idler tires are relatively easy to replace, and if you are brave, you can install a gear drive from a CR-1, 2 or 3 that you cannibalize for parts. I did this with a CR-5 a year or so ago, and it only took a few hours (with some well appreciated help from Kannan). Robert Kent >Hi, all at Naktalk! Would any one like to share their opinions about the CR3? Pros? Cons? Are there other decks I might consider instead? Though all tape decks require some maintenance, I'd love one that is not particularly temperamental, one for which I can buy parts years from now. This is a belt-drive unit....how does the belt hold up? Is it very difficult for the average guy to change? Thanks, >Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Feb 13 23:33:24 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:33:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <001201c511cb$0a8133c0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> References: <001201c511cb$0a8133c0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <420FD5B4.7000301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Changing the subject slightly, has anyone ever used a demagnetiser on a > cartridge? Does it work? (I presume you can't use them on a moving magnet > cartridge!) It works great ... at ruining the magnets in the cartridge! Both MM or MC. Triple-plus-ungood idea. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From sybarito at hotmail.com Mon Feb 14 04:50:19 2005 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:50:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] new server In-Reply-To: <420FB9F3.6060108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hey Wouter!!!!! Great tohave news from you...Guess you must be working 27 hors a day as usual.....Thanks a lot for you unvaluable help in keeping our hobbie alive.... Best regards my friend isy >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com, audiotalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] new server >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:34:59 +0100 > >Hi Everyone >I'm upgrading Naks.com server to a new more powerful and modern server. >This can maybe cause some problems in the next days for naktalk and >audiotalk, if you experience any problems don't be alarmed. >If in the end of this week you still have problems contact me offline. > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 14 05:45:18 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:45:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MAM and Solavox Cassette decks In-Reply-To: <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> References: <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <42102CDE.4060301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > This is a new one on me - anyone ever heard of them? > > See > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21145&item=3872240470&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > This is a 4-tape deck player and p.a. combo for background music in restaurants, funeral chapels, pubs, shopping malls, airports, &c. Not Naka-good. Think Wollensak cassette player times four, with a Bogen PA amplifier/mixer, all in a convenient setup. > Here's another one I've neer heard of - Solavox. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5751289721&rd=1 > Oh, why, you know: it beats the Dragon, 'natch! Actually, think yet another off-brand cheapie cassette deck of the likes of Sankyo, 1970s-vintage Realistic, Sharp or a Pioneer CT-F2121. Or the cassette mechanism from a boom-box put into a stand-lone cabinet, like a Lloyd's I have a headache, now, thank you. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 14 05:54:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:54:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any one else use the Discwasher DMAG demag "cassette"? In-Reply-To: <00b801c51124$86c0bc00$15cf4c51@oemcomputer> References: <00b801c51124$86c0bc00$15cf4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <42102EE8.9070206@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Nice post, Kermit. Have to say, I always have used the demagnetiser, and > always will. I believed I heard distortion on some decks in the past that > seemed to benefit from demagnetising. (Even the cassette version seemed to > do okay with a car cassette deck, wherein I couldn't reach with my Sony.) > However, whilst I've always thought I heard a difference, it was generally > subtle and I sometimes wondered if I was imaging it! Nope, you weren't imagining it. Excessive resdual magnetism causes the head to saturate prematurely, thus it radiates magnetic flux nonlinearly once bias and signal are applied, creating distortion. Related to this discussion, bear in mind that any asymmetry in the bias waveform will permanently magnetize a tape head. Perhaps this is the origin of the belief that demag'ers do no real good. Makes me wonder how good some tape decks were. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 14 06:04:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:04:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DMag Cassette & Demagnetizing Decks In-Reply-To: <002601c511e1$20412060$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <002601c511e1$20412060$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <42103148.70100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bleus, Thanks for the tech links! Great info there. KJ Bleus wrote: > */Howdy there, Graham, Kermit, et al....../* > *//* > */I'm also a proponent of regularly utilizing a demagnetizer on the > cassette decks. I do my Nak and Marantz decks about every two months > (usually a Saturday afternoon activity for me), when I do the usual > cleaning with swabs, visually inspect cassette transports, demagnetize > using Nak DM-10 wand. I look at thism kind of maintenance as > preventative, and the results have been very satisfactory over the > years. I can't remember the last time I had a cassette jam or damaged > tape in my Nak deckls (probably happened ten years ago on one of my > older two headed Mararntz decks). When you keep your Naks in tiptop > shape, and demagnetize the discrete heads and metal cassette transport > innards, they'll perform flawlessly. I also use a DiscWasher DMagg > cassette for my moble Nak deck, that DMagg is a very effective and > convenient component to have in the maintnenace toolkit. I do the DMagg > thing once a week, since I use the TD-560 daily in my driving to/from > work commutes. Then, approximately every two months, I slip the TD-560 > out of the dash of the Honda Prelude, and carry the mobile deck to the > workshop for an opening to clean the tape transport and playback head. > Again, the DM-10 is very adaptable to manuevering into the cramped space > of a mobile Nak deck, although one needs to be extra careful not to > twist or sratch anything fragile./* > *//* > */Have a peek at what a DeMag cassette looks like at thios webpage:/* > *//* > */http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demaggfaq.html/* > *//* > */Nak prescribed maintenance:/* > *//* > */http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmaintenance.html/* > *//* > */There you have it, definately do the extra chores and keep you Nak > well-trimmed and running as they should!/* > *//* -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 14 05:48:38 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:48:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit rocks In-Reply-To: <276AC7C5-7D50-11D9-91BC-000D93C246E2@mac.com> References: <200502121644.j1CGfOoF003899@zebra.naks.com> <276AC7C5-7D50-11D9-91BC-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: <42102DA6.8010001@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Oh, that sneaky U-47. The long-body, of course. How about a CMV-20 while we're at it? Well, it was the only time in my life that I didn't mind something going wrong with my Nakamichi! I needed a good laugh! Thanks! N-Joy! Fred Lifton wrote: > That is so rock and roll, Kermit. And greatly tempts me to make > zappa-esque jokes about a Telefunken U47. But I'll resist... Too off-topic. > > Nothing wrong with Nakking boots in the studio, tho... (There, back > on-topic, sort of). > > Fred > > Kermit wrote: > > > I was one that particular > occasion profoundly distracted from demagnetising tape heads when my > girlfriend walked in wearing only shoes. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Mon Feb 14 10:25:36 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:25:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7E & CA-7E (CA-5) Message-ID: <005e01c51277$241e4960$0200a8c0@lan> Hi, fellows, I like to replace my Quad 606 , 44 + MC & MD, & FM4 for a PA-7E , CA-7E , or CA-5, and eventually, a ST-7E, although I only use a tuner for local broadcasting. I always use satellite receivers for all other broadcasts. Who has experience with these NAK's. At Ebay I saw a PA + Pre for $700,00 , at the site of a prof. $3000,00 ! "Marktplaats" (market place) , in the Netherlands never showed one to sell. I am very interested in these NAK's. With regards, Johan ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, George From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Feb 14 15:41:09 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:41:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MAM and Solavox Cassette decks In-Reply-To: <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> References: <20050213013151.42239.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050214093424.01b1d410@psulias.psu.edu> I used to work in a Holiday Inn bar that had a similar unit to the MAM four deck unit, except it was for some odd format between an 8 track (played in a loop) and a reel to reel (larger tape than 8 Track). The unit held 8 tapes cartridges and had several different play modes. It did work (this was the early 90s, probably made in early 70s) but the cartridges contained some of the most horrific music ever put to tape. Think Pablo Cruise, Bread, Leo Sayer. When the highlight of the tape is The Little River Band and America, you know you're in trouble. I can just imagine polyester clad men with overly made up, boofy hair, 70s babes, sipping white wine spritzers and mellowing out to Barry Manilow and Robert John. Thank god I was only a kid in the 70s! At 07:53 AM 2/13/2005, you wrote: >This is a new one on me - anyone ever heard of them? > >See >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21145&item=3872240470&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > >May be nice for a collector ... ? Or, may be not! > >Here's another one I've neer heard of - Solavox. >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5751289721&rd=1 > >Gra' > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Tue Feb 15 20:38:43 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050214093424.01b1d410@psulias.psu.edu> References: <20050213013151.42239.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050214093424.01b1d410@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <42124FC3.5090808@comcast.net> Read with a sense of humor please, by no means any disrespect to Derrick: I was born in 1961 and grew up in the 70's. Big question: are musicians like britaknee spares and backflush boys any better? Have you ever heard britaknee sing without electronics, amplification, etc.? And, to stay on topic, Naks were in their prime! hope y'all had a nice v-day! Brian From britri at comcast.net Tue Feb 15 20:42:08 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:42:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE1 Owner's Manual In-Reply-To: <518b7b10502131658269a51dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10502131658269a51dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42125090.50405@comcast.net> george valkov wrote: >HI guys, > >I just got a mint RE 1 receiver, unfortunately without the owner's >manual. Does anyone have a downloadable version I could have please? > >Thanks, >George >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Is that the same era as the Nak 1? Nice receiver, if so! Brian From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Feb 15 23:48:32 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:48:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: <42124FC3.5090808@comcast.net> References: <20050213013151.42239.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050214093424.01b1d410@psulias.psu.edu> <42124FC3.5090808@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050215174803.01b5bc38@psulias.psu.edu> Oh they aren't any better, just a different sort of horrific. :) At 02:38 PM 2/15/2005, you wrote: >Read with a sense of humor please, by no means any disrespect to Derrick: > >I was born in 1961 and grew up in the 70's. Big question: are musicians >like britaknee spares and backflush boys any better? Have you ever heard >britaknee sing without electronics, amplification, etc.? > >And, to stay on topic, Naks were in their prime! > >hope y'all had a nice v-day! > >Brian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 23:54:52 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:54:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE 1 owner's manual - second appeal Message-ID: <518b7b105021514544def074@mail.gmail.com> In case you missed the first one - I managed to get my hands on a mint unit, which sounds great. Using it is pretty instinctive and I don't have any real problems, nevertheless I would like to have the manual as well. So if someone has it and is willing to share in a downloadable form, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, George From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 23:57:00 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:57:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE1 Owner's Manual In-Reply-To: <42125090.50405@comcast.net> References: <518b7b10502131658269a51dc@mail.gmail.com> <42125090.50405@comcast.net> Message-ID: <518b7b105021514572f05a24c@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it looks very much like the Deck 1 series, only less ugly -:) > > > > > > > Is that the same era as the Nak 1? Nice receiver, if so! > > Brian From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 16 00:16:25 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:16:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: <42124FC3.5090808@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601c513b4$5f1ffca0$84d44c51@oemcomputer> Brian You reminded me of a documentary that was on TV about the making of the original Band Aid record, hearing some of the performers singing before electronic enhancements to their voices. Boy George was as musical and a frog. But the under cover cop's favourite, George Michael ... now, that guy really can sing! I'll bet HE'S got a Nakamichi!! Gra' > From jerryjg at webtv.net Wed Feb 16 04:08:23 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:08:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's Message-ID: <4189-4212B927-4558@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Gra- do you really want to hurt me??-I mean,youre being some kind of Kharma Chameleon! "BOy George" once got me shagged with a nice lass in San Francisco-the mission was ready for abort..i accidentellay popped in a "Boy george" tape,and ,well-Thanks boy george,I'll tumble for ya!! thank you very much, gerald From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Feb 16 02:52:24 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:52:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Rebuild Message-ID: <004601c513ca$29c6e7b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Ian, Carlos, Etc., I have to throw in my 2 cents worth here. I have had a Dragon, CR-7, and RX-505 re-built at ESL (and they are working on a 682ZX for me). It is true they are not inexpensive, but the work is first rate. My experience has been that they will provide a very detailed estimate on what needs to be done once they get inside the machine. They prefer to do a complete job that brings the machine up to, or beyond, factory specifications. In some cases they can do modifications to impove on factory performance (like EQ mods). In my case, they have replaced parts where necessary (like orange caps), but not indiscriminately, and they have asked for my input when it was marginal. My Dragon had worn heads, and they had them re-finished rather than replaced. Jeff Galin will do lesser work if requested, and is more than happy to discuss the pros and cons with you (he actually returns emails, and is always available by phone). Eric is the Nak guy there (they don't just do Nakamichi), is very knowledgeable, and is also available to discuss the work with you. In my case, the combined cost of my original purchases plus re-builds has been from about a third the original new cost of the machines up to about equal, depending on what was needed. But I have essentially new machines when they are done. I have a few other machines that I use less frequently (670ZX, CR-4 & 5, CD-1) and I am happy to let them live as they are. Kannan has helped me with advice on a reel hub gear mod for my CR-5, and has expertly lubed and alligned the others for me (hope he returns to San Jose soon!). I would say that you have to decide for yourself what level of performance you want, and can afford. But I believe that ESL's fees are equal to the level of work they do. If you want a "new" 20+ year old machine, I recommend them highly. Robert Kent >I only write this because the two reply emails were very vague and I wondered if anyone else had had the rebuild done by ESL and what their experience is. Or, if they could confirm what some other posters and my local tech's opinion is. If they are on the level though a rebuild sounds like a good idea to keep everything "minty-fresh" for the next 15 years. But then again, it may not even be necessary! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Feb 16 05:32:09 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:32:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: <42124FC3.5090808@comcast.net> References: <20050213013151.42239.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c511cb$094b72e0$b09b4c51@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050214093424.01b1d410@psulias.psu.edu> <42124FC3.5090808@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4212CCC9.1020605@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Brian, Brian Stocker wrote: > Read with a sense of humor please, by no means any disrespect to Derrick: > > I was born in 1961 and grew up in the 70's. Like, groovy, man! Far out! I was born in 1958, and grew up in the '70s. Started out with nothing & worked myself up to an extreme state of poverty. > Big question: are > musicians like britaknee spares and backflush boys any better? That's a trick question. Britney Speers and the Backflush Boys aren't musicians. They're marketing creations. > Have you > ever heard britaknee sing without electronics, amplification, etc.? Actually, yes, I have -- during a sound check in 2002 that a friend invited me to sit in on. She can hit the notes (somewhat) but the "magic" occurs thanks to a snazzy blackbox called an Intonator made by T. C. Electronics. It corrects for errors in pitch. She's not alone. Too many musicians use these, and similar, voice pitch and tone processors. Barbara Streisand uses one to salvage what's left of her voice. > And, to stay on topic, Naks were in their prime! Hey, why do you think I'm so dedicated to my Nak 600 and 550? Like, 'cause my 550 still wears its bellbottom jeans to sessions! And my 600-II is working on a macrame cassette holder in its spare time. Shine on, man! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 16 09:54:34 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:54:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's Message-ID: Brian and Derrick This true - I really like the parody etc - Backflush Boys indeed!! Unless you have the club scene gradulation process as you have for instance in the UK, the only names that are going to rise to the fore are the ones that make pretty pictures. Audio candy and eye candy are hereby fused into one. Appearance is a qualifier and a disqualifier. Lack of talent is not. Anyone who forced themselves to sit through the Grammys the other night (I assume with a bucket handy) will know that musical genius and industry recognition are mutually exclusive. It all about sales. I was however, really impressed by Alicia Keys live performance. She really puts in the effort and is a great artist. Cheers, Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 02/16/05 12:48AM >>> Oh they aren't any better, just a different sort of horrific. :) At 02:38 PM 2/15/2005, you wrote: >Read with a sense of humor please, by no means any disrespect to Derrick: > >I was born in 1961 and grew up in the 70's. Big question: are musicians >like britaknee spares and backflush boys any better? Have you ever heard >britaknee sing without electronics, amplification, etc.? > >And, to stay on topic, Naks were in their prime! > >hope y'all had a nice v-day! > >Brian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ti at amb.org Wed Feb 16 10:12:55 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:12:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Archives? In-Reply-To: <021620050256.9964.4212B64200026A2F000026EC220075894297010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> from "thepieboy@comcast.net" at Feb 16, 2005 02:56:02 AM Message-ID: <20050216091255.35DD6252F7@smtp.amb.org> thepieboy at comcast.net writes: > Is there a way to retrieve old NakTalk postings? An archive somewhere? Go to http://www.naks.com Then, "NAKTALK" -> "Naktalk" -> "Naktalk Archives" -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 16 10:37:59 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:37:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Archives? In-Reply-To: <021620050256.9964.4212B64200026A2F000026EC220075894297010D0A079F0A089 B@comcast.net> References: <021620050256.9964.4212B64200026A2F000026EC220075894297010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <18618.212.78.179.234.1108546679.squirrel@212.78.179.234> Hi, > Is there a way to retrieve old NakTalk postings? An archive somewhere? > Thanks for any suggestions! It's easy.... There is a link in each naktalk post that directs you to the page where you can maintain your account and where you'll also find a link to 'Naktalk archives'... Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk Each mail also has a link to the registration area where you can register your Nak: Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register Wouter From thepieboy at comcast.net Wed Feb 16 15:38:07 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:38:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Archives? Message-ID: <021620051438.4963.42135ACF00065C1400001363220073544697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Thanks to Wouter and Ti for your prompt responses! Best regards, John Derven Eugene, Oregon -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > > > Is there a way to retrieve old NakTalk postings? 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I listen to old recordings and remember the "teen idols" from my sister's youth, the gawd-awful wannabe psychedelic bands of the 60's and who among us witnessed the horror of the disco era and doesn't still have nightmares about that? The moral? Even our wonderful equipment can't make garbage sound good! Keith Dawson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Feb 16 16:57:44 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:57:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Rebuild, 70's, et.al. In-Reply-To: <001201c5143c$757ac2e0$6501a8c0@dell> References: <001201c5143c$757ac2e0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <42136D78.1020206@snet.net> It kind of makes me want to pull out that old Partridge Family album... and then I can move on to Electric Spinach for the heavy stuff! Ed Keith Dawson wrote: > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > I was very happy to see feedback from someone regarding ESL's work > and their satisfaction with same rather than just complaints about the > cost of their repairs. My venerable old 600 just arrived at ESL's door > yesterday and I hope to give her a makeover if it's practical. > Jeff has indeed replied to any email that I've sent to him. > > As for the 70's, it was my era too. I graduated from High School > (how fitting) in 1974. One thing the passing of time has shown me is > that truly awful music appears to have been forced on the public in > every era. I listen to old recordings and remember the "teen idols" > from my sister's youth, the gawd-awful wannabe psychedelic bands of > the 60's and who among us witnessed the horror of the disco era and > doesn't still have nightmares about that? > > The moral? Even our wonderful equipment can't make garbage sound good! > > Keith Dawson > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 16 18:07:48 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:07:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002201c5144a$0aa443c0$39c587d9@oemcomputer> Marc said: "I was however, really impressed by Alicia Keys live performance. She really puts in the effort and is a great artist." Agreed. She's a seriously good pianist (hear her play classical bits.) I heard her playing live on Jules Holland's show one night. I was well impressed! She really can sing and play, and does it with an easy swinging style. I predict she will be around for years to come because she's a high quality performer - like a Nakamichi! Brittany Sparrow will vanish much sooner, like a Radio Shack cassette machine. Gra' From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Feb 16 18:56:00 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:56:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Rebuild, 70's, et.al. In-Reply-To: <001201c5143c$757ac2e0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050216125456.01ccb358@pop.east.cox.net> I graduated in 1973 and you are right on about each era having their flaws. However, as you've pointed out, disco was the devil child and we were forced to babysit! At 07:30 AM 2/16/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > I was very happy to see feedback from someone regarding ESL's work > and their satisfaction with same rather than just complaints about the > cost of their repairs. My venerable old 600 just arrived at ESL's door > yesterday and I hope to give her a makeover if it's practical. Jeff has > indeed replied to any email that I've sent to him. > > As for the 70's, it was my era too. I graduated from High School (how > fitting) in 1974. One thing the passing of time has shown me is that > truly awful music appears to have been forced on the public in every > era. I listen to old recordings and remember the "teen idols" from my > sister's youth, the gawd-awful wannabe psychedelic bands of the 60's and > who among us witnessed the horror of the disco era and doesn't still have > nightmares about that? > > The moral? 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URL: From locopablo at netzero.com Thu Feb 17 04:14:05 2005 From: locopablo at netzero.com (locopablo at netzero.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:14:05 GMT Subject: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes Message-ID: <20050216.191435.19473.78771@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Are SKC zx-90 metal tapes any good? thanks Pablo From karakapas at hotmail.com Thu Feb 17 09:02:23 2005 From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:02:23 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <004601c513ca$29c6e7b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: Saw a cassette head demagnetizer at http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5752258105&rd=1 Are their claims for real or to be taken with a pinch of salt? Should I also be looking for a genuine one from Naks if ever they were made? Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get an advanced look at the new version of MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.com.my/Beta/Default.aspx From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 17 11:14:56 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:14:56 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8D4@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Well put Gra'. I couldn't agree more. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 4:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: the 70's Marc said: "I was however, really impressed by Alicia Keys live performance. She really puts in the effort and is a great artist." Agreed. She's a seriously good pianist (hear her play classical bits.) I heard her playing live on Jules Holland's show one night. I was well impressed! She really can sing and play, and does it with an easy swinging style. I predict she will be around for years to come because she's a high quality performer - like a Nakamichi! Brittany Sparrow will vanish much sooner, like a Radio Shack cassette machine. Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Feb 17 11:44:23 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:44:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes Message-ID: They are fantastic Pablo - they are the same tape as Sony Metal ES from circa '88-90. Hard to find though - if you have the opportunity to get them, then do so. Remember Sony own SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul, so basically, no surprises. Don't hesitate to snap up the QX as well, as they are dead ringers for Sony UCX-S of the same period (just before Sony themselves dropped the UC prefix and superseded that one with the UX-S). Good luck. Marc >>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/17/05 05:14AM >>> Are SKC zx-90 metal tapes any good? thanks Pablo ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Feb 17 13:29:29 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:29:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: <002201c5144a$0aa443c0$39c587d9@oemcomputer> References: <002201c5144a$0aa443c0$39c587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <42148E29.3020800@cox.net> Jules Holland has his own show??? I may be living on the wrong side of the puddle. Tim Nelson wrote: >Marc said: > >"I was however, really impressed by Alicia Keys live performance. She >really puts in the effort and is a great artist." > >Agreed. She's a seriously good pianist (hear her play classical bits.) I >heard her playing live on Jules Holland's show one night. I was well >impressed! She really can sing and play, and does it with an easy swinging >style. I predict she will be around for years to come because she's a high >quality performer - like a Nakamichi! Brittany Sparrow will vanish much >sooner, like a Radio Shack cassette machine. > >Gra' > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 17 20:01:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:01:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: the 70's In-Reply-To: <42148E29.3020800@cox.net> Message-ID: <000601c51523$05b65040$7373893e@oemcomputer> Tim Sure does. All live bands - and I mean live, not voice sync'ing to tape. So, they have to be able to play ... and sing ... properly! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 17 February 2005 12:29 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: the 70's > > > Jules Holland has his own show??? I may be living on the wrong side of > the puddle. > > Tim > > Nelson wrote: > > >Marc said: > > > >"I was however, really impressed by Alicia Keys live performance. She > >really puts in the effort and is a great artist." > > > >Agreed. She's a seriously good pianist (hear her play classical > bits.) I > >heard her playing live on Jules Holland's show one night. I was well > >impressed! She really can sing and play, and does it with an > easy swinging > >style. I predict she will be around for years to come because > she's a high > >quality performer - like a Nakamichi! Brittany Sparrow will vanish much > >sooner, like a Radio Shack cassette machine. > > > >Gra' > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mamster at wnx.com Thu Feb 17 20:55:21 2005 From: mamster at wnx.com (Michael Amster) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:55:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Message-ID: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the autostop problem?) 2. Are there any other sources available? Capstan belt $44.75 Cam control belt $6.80 Motion sense belt $14.75 Wind idler $75 2 pressure rollers $55 each S&H $10 Total $261.30 I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. Thanks, -MA From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Feb 17 21:33:19 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:33:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> References: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> Message-ID: <4214FF8F.20908@cox.net> All of these parts do eventually wear out - the 'wind idler', capstan belt, and cam control belt in particular. Pressure rollers wear out far less frequently, specially if you keep your tape path clean. Motion sense belts need replacement less frequently, too. I haven't bought any of these parts in about 3 years, but those prices look a lot higher than I would have expected, perhaps that's because they are a lot harder to find than they were 3 years ago. I've got a few spares of some of those for my own use and didn't know that they should be considered an interest-bearing investment. Maybe I should take better care of my spares. On the bright side, however, if you replace all of those parts you will have fixed about 98% of everything that customarily goes wrong with that instrument, and since ESL is doing the work I think you'd end up with a reliable ZX-7. Keep it clean and happy and you will get years of service from it. Michael Amster wrote: > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > autostop problem?) > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > Capstan belt $44.75 > Cam control belt $6.80 > Motion sense belt $14.75 > Wind idler $75 > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > S&H $10 > Total $261.30 > > I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. > Thanks, > > -MA > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 17 20:48:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:48:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> References: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> Message-ID: <4214F50E.2020608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Michael, Michael Amster wrote: > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > autostop problem?) I would because they'll go bad soon anyway, if they haven't already. It would be cheaper in long run to change all of that now. MUCH cheaper. > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > Capstan belt $44.75 > Cam control belt $6.80 > Motion sense belt $14.75 > Wind idler $75 > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > S&H $10 > Total $261.30 -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Feb 17 22:02:24 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:02:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! THANKS!!! Message-ID: <85.218f2ad4.2f466060@aol.com> Hi Everyone! My Nakamichi with Original Wireless Remote Control just arrived and in Mint Shape and I am very excited!! . There are features on it that are not on my Nakamichi Dragon and which I am not familiar with!! Also like to know if there is suppose to be a light in the cassette compartment on this model like the dragon as the tape compartment look dark! without a light in the compartment well. If some kind soul!!! can send an owner's manual in PDF format in email for this CR-7A IT WILL BE GREATLY!!! APRRECIATED!! THANKS DEAR FELLOW NAKKERS!! Would like to receive pointers on how to use this great tape deck to get the max performance out of it and how to adjust the azimuth as it has azimuth buttons marked < > on the remote control! Although I have own the 700ZXL and the Dragon this one is different is many regards! for starter it has no! test tone generator by seem to auto record a lenght of tampe and goes in ready mode. Also there is a manual eq with red light switch. I made a test recording from my long forgottten box of sealed TEAC MDX C-90 Metal Cassette from my Sony reference single disc CD Player and the resulting recording was like WOWVEEEEEEE!!!! I COULD NOT DETECT A SINGLE DIFFERENCE IN SOUND QUALITY OF THE RECORDING FROM THE SOURCE!!! Hats of to Nakamichi!! WOULD LOVE!!! TO HAVE THE MANUAL TO USE EVERY FEATURE IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE BUT IF THE DIRECT RECORDING WITHOUT ADJUSTING ANYTHING IS ANY INDICATION THEN I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL MY HEARTS WITH OTHERS WHO OWN THE CR-7A THAT !!!!!!......YES!!!! THIS IS ONE HELL!! OF A CASSETTTE DECK . THANKS! SORRY FOR BEING SO EXCITED!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 17 22:17:10 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:17:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! THANKS!!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8D5@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> No Worries Ali, one CR7 manual comming right up. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 8:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! THANKS!!! Hi Everyone! My Nakamichi with Original Wireless Remote Control just arrived and in Mint Shape and I am very excited!! . There are features on it that are not on my Nakamichi Dragon and which I am not familiar with!! Also like to know if there is suppose to be a light in the cassette compartment on this model like the dragon as the tape compartment look dark! without a light in the compartment well. If some kind soul!!! can send an owner's manual in PDF format in email for this CR-7A IT WILL BE GREATLY!!! APRRECIATED!! THANKS DEAR FELLOW NAKKERS!! Would like to receive pointers on how to use this great tape deck to get the max performance out of it and how to adjust the azimuth as it has azimuth buttons marked < > on the remote control! Although I have own the 700ZXL and the Dragon this one is different is many regards! for starter it has no! test tone generator by seem to auto record a lenght of tampe and goes in ready mode. Also there is a manual eq with red light switch. I made a test recording from my long forgottten box of sealed TEAC MDX C-90 Metal Cassette from my Sony reference single disc CD Player and the resulting recording was like WOWVEEEEEEE!!!! I COULD NOT DETECT A SINGLE DIFFERENCE IN SOUND QUALITY OF THE RECORDING FROM THE SOURCE!!! Hats of to Nakamichi!! WOULD LOVE!!! TO HAVE THE MANUAL TO USE EVERY FEATURE IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE BUT IF THE DIRECT RECORDING WITHOUT ADJUSTING ANYTHING IS ANY INDICATION THEN I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL MY HEARTS WITH OTHERS WHO OWN THE CR-7A THAT !!!!!!......YES!!!! THIS IS ONE HELL!! OF A CASSETTTE DECK . THANKS! SORRY FOR BEING SO EXCITED!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 17 22:21:15 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:21:15 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! THANKS!!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8D6@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Opps! Sorry Ali, thought I had the copy on my notebook here but it turns out that I don't. I need to look at home to see if I have a copy. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 8:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! THANKS!!! Hi Everyone! My Nakamichi with Original Wireless Remote Control just arrived and in Mint Shape and I am very excited!! . There are features on it that are not on my Nakamichi Dragon and which I am not familiar with!! Also like to know if there is suppose to be a light in the cassette compartment on this model like the dragon as the tape compartment look dark! without a light in the compartment well. If some kind soul!!! can send an owner's manual in PDF format in email for this CR-7A IT WILL BE GREATLY!!! APRRECIATED!! THANKS DEAR FELLOW NAKKERS!! Would like to receive pointers on how to use this great tape deck to get the max performance out of it and how to adjust the azimuth as it has azimuth buttons marked < > on the remote control! Although I have own the 700ZXL and the Dragon this one is different is many regards! for starter it has no! test tone generator by seem to auto record a lenght of tampe and goes in ready mode. Also there is a manual eq with red light switch. I made a test recording from my long forgottten box of sealed TEAC MDX C-90 Metal Cassette from my Sony reference single disc CD Player and the resulting recording was like WOWVEEEEEEE!!!! I COULD NOT DETECT A SINGLE DIFFERENCE IN SOUND QUALITY OF THE RECORDING FROM THE SOURCE!!! Hats of to Nakamichi!! WOULD LOVE!!! TO HAVE THE MANUAL TO USE EVERY FEATURE IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE BUT IF THE DIRECT RECORDING WITHOUT ADJUSTING ANYTHING IS ANY INDICATION THEN I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL MY HEARTS WITH OTHERS WHO OWN THE CR-7A THAT !!!!!!......YES!!!! THIS IS ONE HELL!! OF A CASSETTTE DECK . THANKS! SORRY FOR BEING SO EXCITED!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 17 21:21:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:21:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4214FCCA.4030207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ben, Oh man, this is the worst case of ballyhoo I've ever seen. Did this guy once work for a circus sideshow, I wonder? The seller claims, "We have the Best Cassette Tape Head Demagnetizer Made." Wrong. The Annis Han-D-Mag is. This APPEARS to be the TDK electronic demag'er, BUT you have no way of knowing how good it is. The generic label makes me suspicious. At best, it is average. At worst, it's worthless and is simply a tape shelled filled with an oscillator and a weak electromagnet (or even just parts that do nothing but light up an LED). I don't like the fact that the unit cannot be withdrawn from the head SLOWLY before turning it off to prevent remagnetizing the heads. To achieve the same thing, it will have to turn the magetic field off slowly -- and you have no way of knowing whether it does this properly without resorting to a gaussmeter. Also, it does not demagnetize the METAL CAPSTANS, which must be done as well as demagnetizing the tape heads. Failing to demagnetize the METAL CAPSTANS will still aloow residual magnetism to be present that will partial erasure of the highs on your tapes. BOTTOM LINE: Don't buy one. Save your money. ng ben wrote: > Saw a cassette head demagnetizer at > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5752258105&rd=1 > > Are their claims for real or to be taken with a pinch of salt? > Should I also be looking for a genuine one from Naks if ever they were made? > Ben -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 17 22:50:38 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:50:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4214FF8F.20908@cox.net> Message-ID: Good God! I allways believed that we here in the UK paid higher prices for our parts! My ZX7 was re- rubbered in January for far - far less than this!(By B & W) I think you are being ripped off in a big way!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Tim Barrett [mailto:timbarrett at cox.net] Sent: 17 February 2005 20:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 All of these parts do eventually wear out - the 'wind idler', capstan belt, and cam control belt in particular. Pressure rollers wear out far less frequently, specially if you keep your tape path clean. Motion sense belts need replacement less frequently, too. I haven't bought any of these parts in about 3 years, but those prices look a lot higher than I would have expected, perhaps that's because they are a lot harder to find than they were 3 years ago. I've got a few spares of some of those for my own use and didn't know that they should be considered an interest-bearing investment. Maybe I should take better care of my spares. On the bright side, however, if you replace all of those parts you will have fixed about 98% of everything that customarily goes wrong with that instrument, and since ESL is doing the work I think you'd end up with a reliable ZX-7. Keep it clean and happy and you will get years of service from it. Michael Amster wrote: > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > autostop problem?) > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > Capstan belt $44.75 > Cam control belt $6.80 > Motion sense belt $14.75 > Wind idler $75 > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > S&H $10 > Total $261.30 > > I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. > Thanks, > > -MA > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From jberger at well.com Thu Feb 17 22:57:13 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:57:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Message-ID: Well, he just outbid me on ebay for an MR-1, so he appears to be alive. From angelricano at hotmail.com Thu Feb 17 23:11:43 2005 From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel Ricano) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:11:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS AMANUAL?! THANKS!!! In-Reply-To: <85.218f2ad4.2f466060@aol.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 17 23:08:44 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:08:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How to make your Nak jealous... Message-ID: <421515EC.7020607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, It’s that time -- you know, when you look at your ever-growing pile of gear and ask yourself whether you want to keep an item or sell it to make room for newer, cooler gear... ...like more Nakamichi decks to fix. With eBay’s latest rate hikes and the press of schedules, I’d rather just give the stuff away. So, here’s my latest pile, available to anyone who is willing to pay the ACTUAL cost of UPS shipping. P-l-e-a-s-e somebody take this stuff - I really do not want to hazssle with eBay and I hate to put it in the trash! Lafayette stereo amplifier, tube/valve, 6BQ5/EL84 push-pull output, phono, auxiliary, bass/treble and other features. Switches, connectors and pots need cleaning, light rust on transformers and plenty of authentic Kansas dirt included free! Otherwise I think it works well enough. (If my memory serves, it likes to hum along with the music. Nice to have an amp that enjoys music, right?) Similar to classic Sansui or Fisher circuit. Pioneer CT-F7171 cassette deck #1: Mechanical problem, needs rebiasing, missing a small bright on one switch. Free authentic Kansas dirt included! (If someone in your house listens only to hip-hop or rap, or likes vintage Bee Gees, insist they play their music only on this deck in its present condition!) Pioneer CT-F7171 cassette deck #2: Mechanical problem, needs rebiasing, missing a switch. Free authentic Kansas dirt included! (Ditto.) Sansui D-55M, plays nice and cheap-sounding and mercifully/unfortunately won’t record. Features automatic level control only. (OK, I hear that laughter...yeah, yeah, I know it’s a toy cassette deck. Put it in your house in a prominent spot and it will be a good decoy for burglars so maybe they won’t see your Nakamichis.) Studer A727 CD player, sounds fabulous, BUT won’t play an entire disc without stopping. (Maybe it just doesn’t like my music -- but anything that dislikes Beethoven and Pachelbel needs to go!) Teac D525G, runs fast. Lots of scratches, dirt and dings. Genuinely awful sound, guaranteed. (Tell your friends you unearthed it from an archaeological dig in Egypt and that it proves your theory that the ancient pharaohs had tin ears because they didn’t own Nakamichi cassette decks! Besides, it'll will make your Nak jealous and it will never give you any further problems.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Fri Feb 18 01:33:48 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:33:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Message-ID: <606862743ce44f878dc6a0082931fdd2.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Is 26l.30 with labor or just a parts quote? I have a ZX-7 that needs help also. Frank > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > autostop problem?) > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > Capstan belt $44.75 > Cam control belt $6.80 > Motion sense belt $14.75 > Wind idler $75 > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > S&H $10 > Total $261.30 > > I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. Thanks, > > -MA > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From flifton at mac.com Fri Feb 18 01:50:48 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ESL, the 70's In-Reply-To: <200502171100.j1HB04nM010216@zxe.naks.com> References: <200502171100.j1HB04nM010216@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <21872C16-8147-11D9-B9D9-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Hi Folk, One thing worth noting about ESL is that they have, by Jeff's own admission, a tremendous backlog. About 8 mos. is what he told me. He actually suggested I leave my gear with Stephen Sank as he could probably do it faster! Of course, that makes me admire Jeff for his honesty and straightforwardness. Hmmm, maybe I should apprentice with one of these guys, there seems to be no lack of demand for good vintage techs, er, techs that work on vintage gear, that is. Re: 70's and other pop music. I too grew up in the seventies, graduated HS in 1981 and even then was disgusted with the dreck that passed for music on popular radio: Foreigner, Journey and, of course, disco. Feh! as my dearly departed granny would say. Now this is not so off-topic as it would seem because I think the way in which marketing substitutes for musical ability has meant that much of the output of audiophile recordings (e.g MFSL) is crap. No amount of Hi or Fi is going to make Spyra Gyra or Aerosmith listenable (to my tastes, anyway). That means that we audiophiles, in addition to finding and keeping our Naks in shape, have to go searching for decent music to play on them. I think one good thing from the last 15 years, maybe as an off-shoot of the punk, grunge and alt-country movements, is far more opportunity to find recordings by smaller, non-mainstream artists. Granted, a lot of these recordings are terrible; they are usually made on a shoestring and few engineers, it seems, have Kermit's sensibilities or abilities. But sometimes you can find a real gem. For example, as I've mentioned on this list before, the latest Drive-By Truckers recording was made on nice analog gear at Muscle Shoals, AL Fame recording studies and it really sounds great. At least as good or better than anything I've gotten from Sony, Columbia, etc. lately, that's for sure. Nak on, brothers. Fred From pbenedict at envirotechsys.com Fri Feb 18 01:51:14 2005 From: pbenedict at envirotechsys.com (Phil Benedict) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:51:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX Message-ID: <200502180052.j1I0qBfW012342@zxe.naks.com> What do these three tape types mean? Is one of them for Type II 70 usec tapes (e.g., TDK SA90 tape)? Does it make any difference which one is selected when I record? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caldwell at cvtel.net Fri Feb 18 02:03:02 2005 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Delica Caldwell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:03:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Message-ID: <4214EA66.1556.7A4C09E@localhost> Try Bowers & Wilkins in the UK. Colin suggested this to me for my ZX-7 and they had all the OE rubber parts (belts, rollers and idler wheel) in stock. Cost was about USD 69.00 with Airmail postage to the US. Interestingly, Paul Wilkins of B&W answered my emails and took my order. B&W email: info at classic-nakamichi.com Scott From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 18 03:21:13 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:21:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> References: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> Message-ID: <42155119.1040701@snet.net> Well, I really do like Jeff Galin, but considering that I bought a stockpile of belts right around the time that I announced Patty's "last call" for parts on Naktalk a couple of years ago for a fraction of the cost, I'd say that Jeff is going to do very well on that large loan he took out to buy the rather large inventories of spares that he purchased around that time. If I recall correctly, the capstan belt was about $10 and the cam control was under $3. I can still save you $74.51 on the idler if you care to look up MCM part number 32-5665. Jeff swears that these don't last as long, but for the price difference even if they only lasted a quarter as long, they'd still be a bargain. As much as I'd like to say shame on Jeff for taking advantage of the situation, I also have to bear in mind that he is largely responsible for the fact that these belts are available at all. Some of you may recall that THERE WERE NO BELTS FOR ANY OF THE GREAT TWIN CAPSTAN DECKS SEVERAL YEARS AGO. It was only Jeff and Patty's persistence that got Nak to tool up a final run of all belts. Likewise, the sad news is that THERE ARE NO KNOWN OUTSIDE SOURCES FOR BELTS THAT WILL WORK IN THESE DECKS! The Nak belts are very thin, and everything else that either Jeff or Stephen Sank tried that was non-Nakamich caused tension problems, skewing, and wow & flutter. The sad truth is that all of these decks are destined to a slow (literally) death in the end... that is unless you've got a supply or $260. Now, the pinch rollers usually can be cleaned and buffed back into good shape. I actually have yet to see a Nak with rollers beyond repair. The idler can be from MCM and the cam and motion sense are not really very critical... pretty much standard MCM or Ceitron.com square belts. THE ONE YOU HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET ON IS THE CAPSTAN... no two ways about it. Sorry if this seems like a downer... I guess it was a pretty bad day at work. Ed Michael Amster wrote: > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > autostop problem?) > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > Capstan belt $44.75 > Cam control belt $6.80 > Motion sense belt $14.75 > Wind idler $75 > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > S&H $10 > Total $261.30 > > I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. > Thanks, > > -MA > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 18 03:25:40 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:25:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4214FF8F.20908@cox.net> References: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> <4214FF8F.20908@cox.net> Message-ID: <42155224.9060104@snet.net> > On the bright side, however, if you replace all of those parts you > will have fixed about 98% of everything that customarily goes wrong > with that instrument, and since ESL is doing the work I think you'd > end up with a reliable ZX-7. Keep it clean and happy and you will get > years of service from it. My understanding is that ESL is not doing the work... only supplying the parts. This may explain in part why the prices are so high. I do know that Jeff prefers to reserve his parts stock for repair items which would mean that he'd like to make it worthwhile to let these gems go. As far as the investment - the way I figure it, if I store my spares in nitrogen for about twenty years they should be about as valuable as those gold 1000ZXL's! Ed From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 18 03:33:38 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:33:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <4214FCCA.4030207@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4214FCCA.4030207@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <42155402.4010501@snet.net> Biggest problem is this will have no effect with the Naks that have the pressure pad lifter as it will keep the demag pad from making contact with the head which is critical for this do be able to do even the questionable job that even the best of this type of unit is capable of. BTW, I do recall a review of the TDK version and it did prove to apply and remove signal gradually and did produce a clean flux signal. Problem is that it doesn't do capstans (which are often non magnetic) and it's not strong enough. I will say that the TDK and D'Mag (which was a much better piece) are great for the car deck or others that you don't want to have to keep tearing into. Ed > >> Saw a cassette head demagnetizer at >> >> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5752258105&rd=1 >> >> >> Are their claims for real or to be taken with a pinch of salt? >> Should I also be looking for a genuine one from Naks if ever they >> were made? >> Ben > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 18 03:06:20 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:06:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <42155402.4010501@snet.net> References: <4214FCCA.4030207@woods-and-waters.com> <42155402.4010501@snet.net> Message-ID: <42154D9C.1010100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ed! Edward Noyes wrote: > Biggest problem is this will have no effect with the Naks that have the > pressure pad lifter as it will keep the demag pad from making contact > with the head which is critical for this do be able to do even the > questionable job that even the best of this type of unit is capable of. Great point! Never thought of that! > Problem > is that it doesn't do capstans (which are often non magnetic) and it's > not strong enough. The capstan(s) the press against the pinch roller usually are steel, although someone made one composed of ceramic. The two hub capstans, correctly referred to as hubs, that turn the pancake are usually plastic. The steel pinch roller capstans DO need to be demagnetized. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 18 03:36:03 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:36:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon page updated again.... Message-ID: <42155493.1040402@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, Yet another update of the "Nakathon Resource" web page with information to help those in the Nakathon, or for anyone wanting to better their stereo. Just added are one new (simple) DIY project, studio forms, links to cleaning supplies and other brief information. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html Keep letting me know what else you'd like to see and I'll get it put up on the site. Thanks to those who offered suggestions already! ... still more to come! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From corkflor at iol.ie Fri Feb 18 07:28:17 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:28:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK repair facilities for Nak decks - help needed. Message-ID: Hi all. As my top of the range, but ancient, Aiwa deck has just been declared DOA by my repairman here in Ireland due to lack of parts, I was contemplating going for a good s/h Nakamichi deck - the CR7e looks particularly interesting, but I'd be grateful if anyone has any other suggestions for a good 3 head machine. What is currently holding me back is that I can't find anything on the Net about a decent repair facility in the UK with access to Nakamichi spares. Obviously decks of this age require regular routine maintenance, and if something goes seriously wrong, without parts it'll be the same story as my defunct Aiwa. Can any of you Nak fans help me out with this? TIA Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 18 07:14:57 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:14:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Knocked about Nak... Message-ID: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> Fellow Nakkers, As part of my restoration efforts on my 600-II, I have the following queston: Does anyone know of a product, or a method, to remove deep scratches in the clear plastic "window" of the tape door? It has one nasty scratch and the deck would look almost new if I could get rid of the scratch (it's almost a scrape, really). Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 18 09:47:59 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:47:59 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? Message-ID: <20050218084759.8246.qmail@web40628.mail.yahoo.com> Durned if I know - in cyberspace one can find ZX-9s, Dragons, ZX-7s, RX-505s, most other sundry Naks but the only CR-7 for sale I could find was on ESLs site at $2000 USD - plus shipping to Australia I'd have to be damned financial to even contemplate it. Two local high-end dealers who deal in used gear here in Melbourne and get Naks in sometimes (one had two Naks but nothing special) have their eyes out for me. I've even rung and checked interstate dealers' sites - not all of them by all means. Checked some classifieds too. Ebay/Audiogon seem to have nothing. Any suggestions - or is it just Australia maybe. I know the CR-7 is *the* Nak du jour in terms of demand atm plus they weren't made for very long either, so I'm not expecting it to be EASY. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From karakapas at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 09:51:17 2005 From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:51:17 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <4214FCCA.4030207@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Great feedback. Much appreciated. Ben >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:21:30 -0500 > >Hi Ben, > >Oh man, this is the worst case of ballyhoo I've ever seen. Did this guy >once work for a circus sideshow, I wonder? > >The seller claims, "We have the Best Cassette Tape Head Demagnetizer Made." >Wrong. The Annis Han-D-Mag is. > >This APPEARS to be the TDK electronic demag'er, BUT you have no way of >knowing how good it is. The generic label makes me suspicious. > >At best, it is average. At worst, it's worthless and is simply a tape >shelled filled with an oscillator and a weak electromagnet (or even just >parts that do nothing but light up an LED). I don't like the fact that the >unit cannot be withdrawn from the head SLOWLY before turning it off to >prevent remagnetizing the heads. To achieve the same thing, it will have to >turn the magetic field off slowly -- and you have no way of knowing whether >it does this properly without resorting to a gaussmeter. > >Also, it does not demagnetize the METAL CAPSTANS, which must be done as >well as demagnetizing the tape heads. Failing to demagnetize the METAL >CAPSTANS will still aloow residual magnetism to be present that will >partial erasure of the highs on your tapes. > >BOTTOM LINE: Don't buy one. Save your money. > >ng ben wrote: >>Saw a cassette head demagnetizer at >> >>http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5752258105&rd=1 >> >>Are their claims for real or to be taken with a pinch of salt? >>Should I also be looking for a genuine one from Naks if ever they were >>made? >>Ben > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Find love online with MSN Personals. http://match.msn.com.my/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel From c123666 at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 10:04:36 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:04:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4215AFA4.8090306@comcast.net> Stephen apparently has learned that answering questions in online forums earns him little that he can put on the table. The word is that if you call he picks up the phone and he has more work than he can handle. Nick has the same problem; he works until 11 six nights per week and was talking about having to turn away quite a bit of business and not accept such jobs as setting up turntables unless he sells the unit. he is a perfectionist; you know how those people are. John Berger wrote: >Well, he just outbid me on ebay for an MR-1, so he appears to be alive. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From sie28873 at lycos.com Fri Feb 18 10:06:27 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:06:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 drive tires Message-ID: <20050218090627.4DCD9C6132@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Just bought a Nakamichi LX5 with a slight fault in it. Been told that it needs drive tires. Quite excited about this as it is my first Naks with Nakamichi's classic transport. Not quite sure what it means to replace the drive tires though. The BX300 I have is blessed with an idler transport that apparently needs bi-annual replacing. Its still waiting for a full rehabilitation......which is another storey.....so back to the LX5. Gonna be my show-piece set so looking forward to it arriving to restore it. Is this a simple rubber tire like in the BX300 and is there a source I can purchase them from easily? Had the impression reading these threads that the Naks classic transport is THE tried and trusted of transports and should last for yonks. Any opinions/leads on the drive tires? Ben P.S. The set doesn't come with operating or service manuals. Wonder if any Naktalkers out there have a copy they could send? Thanks. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From c123666 at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 10:10:05 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:10:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 goes clunk when PLAY is depressed In-Reply-To: <42155224.9060104@snet.net> References: <4214F6A9.2080709@wnx.com> <4214FF8F.20908@cox.net> <42155224.9060104@snet.net> Message-ID: <4215B0ED.6040803@comcast.net> I pulled out my ZX9 to start spinning tapes to move them to CDR and was a bit perturbed when I depressed PLAY and the only thing that happened was the deck went CLUNK and nothing else happened after that. Both FF./REW work fine; play does not. It is not the tape; tried about four different brands of tapes all of them high quality (MAX, MXS, MAR). I seem to recall that this happened once before and the cause was a failed capstan. I am looking for feedback from knowledgeable persons on if this is the culprit and what that actually means to me. I am also wondering if it is economic to fix the deck at this point or simply sell it as is to a person that can repair it him/herself. I think the unit is worth in the area of 500 if in good working/cosmetic condition but have not paid attention for a long time to pricing of these excellent pieces of equipment. I intend to keep the CR7A until my cassettes are moved to CDR and then sell that, too. That one, at least so far, functions flawlessly and is probably a better unit for playback only (I don't record cassettes anylonger) due to the manual playback azimuth adjustment. Comments on this observation are also welcomed. I always preferred the ZX9 for recording purposes, though. Both decks are stock. Edward Noyes wrote: > >> On the bright side, however, if you replace all of those parts you >> will have fixed about 98% of everything that customarily goes wrong >> with that instrument, and since ESL is doing the work I think you'd >> end up with a reliable ZX-7. Keep it clean and happy and you will >> get years of service from it. > > > > My understanding is that ESL is not doing the work... only supplying > the parts. This may explain in part why the prices are so high. I do > know that Jeff prefers to reserve his parts stock for repair items > which would mean that he'd like to make it worthwhile to let these > gems go. > > As far as the investment - the way I figure it, if I store my spares > in nitrogen for about twenty years they should be about as valuable as > those gold 1000ZXL's! > > Ed > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ti at amb.org Fri Feb 18 10:18:20 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:18:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <42155119.1040701@snet.net> from "Edward Noyes" at Feb 17, 2005 09:21:13 PM Message-ID: <20050218091820.C75C1252A2@smtp.amb.org> Edward Noyes writes: > ... > The sad truth is that all of these decks are > destined to a slow (literally) death in the end... > ... I really want my Naks to last a long time. This is not a happy thought to say the least... :( -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 18 10:21:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:21:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL, the 70's In-Reply-To: <21872C16-8147-11D9-B9D9-000D93C246E2@mac.com> References: <200502171100.j1HB04nM010216@zxe.naks.com> <21872C16-8147-11D9-B9D9-000D93C246E2@mac.com> Message-ID: <4215B3B2.3000906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Re: 70's and other pop music... Now this is not so off-topic as > it would seem because I think the way in which marketing substitutes for > musical ability has meant that much of the output of audiophile > recordings (e.g MFSL) is crap. No amount of Hi or Fi is going to make > Spyra Gyra or Aerosmith listenable (to my tastes, anyway). What, you mean that MFSL’s half-speed remastering doesn’t make Iron Butterfly’s Inagaddadavida sound better? I’m shocked! (Never could get through the whole song without risking brain death.) >... as I've mentioned on > this list before, the latest Drive-By Truckers recording was made on > nice analog gear at Muscle Shoals, AL Fame recording studies and it > really sounds great. At least as good or better than anything I've > gotten from Sony, Columbia, etc. lately, that's for sure. Of course they have better sound than Columbia, &c.! They won’t bother with the traditional big label method of “enhancing” vocals. Here’s how “they” do it -- (and I'm not making this up!) -- 1.a. FIRST, RIBBON MIC IT: A good broadcast quality ribbon mic does enhance any voice, even excellent voices -- but often not enough for rock-n-roll. Once the staple vocal recording technique, ribbons were out of favor for awhile. They’re making a comeback. Good. 1.b. OR, instead, “DROP MORE MICS ON IT”: Use more than one mic at different distances and angles. Mix the mics together. This adds fullness and gives you a chance to tweak their tonality. Or wreck the sound. Or both. At least you have a good excuse to buy lots of microphones. 2. Then, “DOUBLE IT”: Have the singer repeat the song several times, recording each take on adjacent tracks. Mix ALL the takes together. This masks irregularities in a performance and adds fullness to the otherwise-bland voice. 3. Next, “PUNCH IN”: If a note is just absolutely wrong, or a passage just doesn’t work, re-record just the offending note or passage until it’s right. Don't bother actually learning the song. That's too easy. (This was nerve-wracking with analog tape!) 4. THEN, “COMP” IT: Take the best parts of each take and edit it into one “perfect take.” This used to be done by cutting and splicing tape. The studio’s tape editor was left staring blankly and drooling on himself or herself by the day’s end. Now, ProTools (and similar DAW software) does it all with mouse clicks and the editor develops carpal tunnel syndrome. 5. Then, GAIN LEVEL: Smooth out the irregularities in the dynamics of the performance by agressive compression. The much-vaunted Teletronix LA-2A and Altec 436 compressors were originally intended for this application. 6. Then, PITCH SHIFT ‘EM: If they STILL cannot get a note correct, raise or lower the pitch. This used to be done with the vari-speed on the tape recorder. No, it didn’t work too well. Today, electronic processors like the T. C. Electronics Intonator save those singers who cannot hit the right notes. 7. Then, “WET IT DOWN”: Heavy doses of reverb mask irregularities in a performance and add tonality where none exists. This is how karaoke works! 8. Finally, “PULL” THE MIX: Place the singer so low in the mix that it doesn’t matter how awful they sound. It helps if the arrangement calls for a cluttered mix. Does that explain why some rock vocals are hard to hear? 9. IF ALL ELSE FAILS -- GO LO FI: Many hip-hop and rap “artists” are recorded through very low quality microphones or are filtered to the same bandwidth as 1940s vintage telephones. It no longer matters at that point WHAT they sounded like beforehand. As a bonus, the producer and engineer can delude themselves that they’re being “creative” as well! CAN YOU IMAGINE the budget blown on getting the vocals "right" by following this procedure? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just hire a good singer at the outset? Or am I nuts? See why I quit recording full-time for big labels? It was driving me stark raving mad! Here’s my radical method: sign somebody who can sing and who sounds good! (Don’t tell anyone. You’ll ruin the music industry.) Sorry for the rant! You struck my pet peeve about today's "recording technique." I'm assuming NO ONE in the Nakathon will record their vocals using that "technique"! > Nak on, brothers. I love this! Nak on, Fred! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Fri Feb 18 12:05:07 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:05:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX References: <200502180052.j1I0qBfW012342@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <005a01c515a9$b4d45dc0$0200a8c0@lan> >From Johan Berserik, EX, SX & ZX are the tape-types Nakamichi used for their own brand of cassettetapes. EX is just low noise like Maxell UD and TDK AD : 120 µsec SX is chrome oxide like Maxell UDXL -II & TDK SA & SA-X : 70µsec. ZX is pure metal like Maxell MX, TDK MA(R), MA-X : also 70 µsec. Regards, Johan ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Benedict To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX What do these three tape types mean? Is one of them for Type II 70 usec tapes (e.g., TDK SA90 tape)? Does it make any difference which one is selected when I record? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 18 12:26:31 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:26:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? Message-ID: Iain, CR-7s do rear their heads at times - I don't think they are going to be any more numerous than any other top of the range units from Nak, which in another way of saying - they are rare. CR-7 is a great deck to aspire to, but not so much more than some other top of the range three head Nak in good shape that I would become to obsessed with it. The great Naks to own are CR-7, ZX-9, Dragon, RX-505 and 682ZX. 700ZXE is also very fine. CR-4 is excellent and durable. ZX-7 is fantastic - just like a 682ZX in may ways, but better floursecent meters. The ZXLs are too temperamental. CR-5 is so rare as to not be worth thinking about - a curiosity. LX-5 is a straightforward classic Nak without fancy alignment. I don't know what Naks you have presently, but if you can find ZX-7s at the moment as you say - well, that's a tremendous Nak, and with a more durable mechanism than a CR-7. Maybe it doesn't quite have that analytical, stripped bare sound of the CR-7, but I would go for it. Actually, it's warmer, richer and more cohesive. But this is being very picky. Unless you have very sharp hearing, it would be hard to hear the difference. The CR-7 has the same reputation thesedays that Dragon had in the heyday of tape in general. I'd ford a small stream for a CR-7, but I sure wouldn't risk drowning for one. But a barely used 682ZX that I got 2 years ago - now, that was a prize!! Marc >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/18/05 10:47AM >>> Durned if I know - in cyberspace one can find ZX-9s, Dragons, ZX-7s, RX-505s, most other sundry Naks but the only CR-7 for sale I could find was on ESLs site at $2000 USD - plus shipping to Australia I'd have to be damned financial to even contemplate it. Two local high-end dealers who deal in used gear here in Melbourne and get Naks in sometimes (one had two Naks but nothing special) have their eyes out for me. I've even rung and checked interstate dealers' sites - not all of them by all means. Checked some classifieds too. Ebay/Audiogon seem to have nothing. Any suggestions - or is it just Australia maybe. I know the CR-7 is *the* Nak du jour in terms of demand atm plus they weren't made for very long either, so I'm not expecting it to be EASY. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 18 13:44:28 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:44:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? Message-ID: Iian Hi, There are a couple of Nakamichi CR-7 being sold at Ebay right now! One need work and other is fine! Check ebay USA on your internet. Type Nakamichi CR in the ebay search engine at ebay main page and you wil see these two CR-7A being sold , both sellers are in USA .Also will suggest that you keep checking ebay all the time! only problem! is that you might end up with buying a whole bunch of Nakamichi decks! LOL!! So dont get carried away !!! Hope this helps! Grin! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 13:49:27 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:49:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <42154D9C.1010100@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Nice advise...my superb Buddy Kermit! Have a nice weekend! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Edward Noyes >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:06:20 -0500 > >Hi Ed! > >Edward Noyes wrote: >>Biggest problem is this will have no effect with the Naks that have the >>pressure pad lifter as it will keep the demag pad from making contact with >>the head which is critical for this do be able to do even the questionable >>job that even the best of this type of unit is capable of. > >Great point! Never thought of that! > >>Problem is that it doesn't do capstans (which are often non magnetic) and >>it's not strong enough. > >The capstan(s) the press against the pinch roller usually are steel, >although someone made one composed of ceramic. The two hub capstans, >correctly referred to as hubs, that turn the pancake are usually plastic. >The steel pinch roller capstans DO need to be demagnetized. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 18 13:52:57 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:52:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! ... Message-ID: <102.5b058bba.2f473f29@aol.com> Dear Tom, Hope you are fine! and wondering if the manual for CR-7A is on the way?!! Thanks for your very kind HELP!!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 14:02:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:02:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <4214FCCA.4030207@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: You are 100% correct...we have the best Demagnetizer...in the whole world...The Annis Han-D-Mag cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head demagnetizer >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:21:30 -0500 > >Hi Ben, > >Oh man, this is the worst case of ballyhoo I've ever seen. Did this guy >once work for a circus sideshow, I wonder? > >The seller claims, "We have the Best Cassette Tape Head Demagnetizer Made." >Wrong. The Annis Han-D-Mag is. > >This APPEARS to be the TDK electronic demag'er, BUT you have no way of >knowing how good it is. The generic label makes me suspicious. > >At best, it is average. At worst, it's worthless and is simply a tape >shelled filled with an oscillator and a weak electromagnet (or even just >parts that do nothing but light up an LED). I don't like the fact that the >unit cannot be withdrawn from the head SLOWLY before turning it off to >prevent remagnetizing the heads. To achieve the same thing, it will have to >turn the magetic field off slowly -- and you have no way of knowing whether >it does this properly without resorting to a gaussmeter. > >Also, it does not demagnetize the METAL CAPSTANS, which must be done as >well as demagnetizing the tape heads. Failing to demagnetize the METAL >CAPSTANS will still aloow residual magnetism to be present that will >partial erasure of the highs on your tapes. > >BOTTOM LINE: Don't buy one. Save your money. > >ng ben wrote: >>Saw a cassette head demagnetizer at >> >>http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5752258105&rd=1 >> >>Are their claims for real or to be taken with a pinch of salt? >>Should I also be looking for a genuine one from Naks if ever they were >>made? >>Ben > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 18 14:32:05 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:32:05 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050218133205.57306.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Marc! Hmmm, someone who isn't totally slavering at the mouth for a CR-7 eh? I'm am very glad to hear the comment about the SONICS of the CR-7 vs the ZX-9 - the terms you used Marc were very helpful, so far people in general on the net everywhere haven't descriptively compared the better Naks. OH! EVERYONE! MY RX-505 IS COMING ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY! AT LAST! The guy who has sold it to me said that when he had a CR-7 he didn't like the treble on it much compared to other top Naks - I mainly want a CR-7 or Dragon or ZX-9/7 (DEFINTELY not a 1000ZXL, nooo way - heard all about how they just go bung and then you have a very expensive piece of metal and plastic) purely for the tape calibration, in these uncertain times even when having laid in a stock of cassettes for the future I want/ed to be able to access the Type 11 still being manufactured and the stashes at audiophile stores that I know of. Interesting about your CR-5 comment, there was a CR-5 on Audiogon for nearly a month very recently but the seller didn't reply to my email - I presume he didn't want to ship to Aust. 682ZX eh? Hadn't really investigated it to be honest. As to the Naks I have: currently an RX-202E, and as above, about to receive an RX-505E. I HOPE, this guy has been a major hassle to deal with to be honest, but he says he posted it yesterday. The 202 is in VGC and low use, got it at about 50% what it is worth here off the original owner, the 505 is supposed to be in between excellent to mint and very low use. Everyone cross their fingers for me that I get the 505, and it's what he says it is PLEASE! ;-) It would be interesting to hear what others have to say about the sonic CHARACTERISTICS of the better Naks. I do have a very finely tuned ear, so it would be of interest to me. Iain --- Mark H ugo wrote: > Iain, > > CR-7s do rear their heads at times - I don't think > they are going to be > any more numerous than any other top of the range > units from Nak, which > in another way of saying - they are rare. > > CR-7 is a great deck to aspire to, but not so much > more than some other > top of the range three head Nak in good shape that I > would become to > obsessed with it. The great Naks to own are CR-7, > ZX-9, Dragon, RX-505 > and 682ZX. 700ZXE is also very fine. CR-4 is > excellent and durable. > ZX-7 is fantastic - just like a 682ZX in may ways, > but better > floursecent meters. The ZXLs are too temperamental. > CR-5 is so rare as > to not be worth thinking about - a curiosity. LX-5 > is a straightforward > classic Nak without fancy alignment. I don't know > what Naks you have > presently, but if you can find ZX-7s at the moment > as you say - well, > that's a tremendous Nak, and with a more durable > mechanism than a CR-7. > Maybe it doesn't quite have that analytical, > stripped bare sound of the > CR-7, but I would go for it. Actually, it's warmer, > richer and more > cohesive. But this is being very picky. Unless you > have very sharp > hearing, it would be hard to hear the difference. > > The CR-7 has the same reputation thesedays that > Dragon had in the > heyday of tape in general. I'd ford a small stream > for a CR-7, but I > sure wouldn't risk drowning for one. But a barely > used 682ZX that I got > 2 years ago - now, that was a prize!! > > Marc > > > > > >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/18/05 10:47AM >>> > Durned if I know - in cyberspace one can find ZX-9s, > Dragons, ZX-7s, RX-505s, most other sundry Naks but > the only CR-7 for sale I could find was on ESLs site > at $2000 USD - plus shipping to Australia I'd have > to > be damned financial to even contemplate it. Two > local > high-end dealers who deal in used gear here in > Melbourne and get Naks in sometimes (one had two > Naks > but nothing special) have their eyes out for me. > I've > even rung and checked interstate dealers' sites - > not > all of them by all means. Checked some classifieds > too. > > Ebay/Audiogon seem to have nothing. > > Any suggestions - or is it just Australia maybe. I > know the CR-7 is *the* Nak du jour in terms of > demand > atm plus they weren't made for very long either, so > I'm not expecting it to be EASY. > > Iain > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From richy43us at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 14:34:11 2005 From: richy43us at hotmail.com (Richard Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:34:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Yes they did make headphones............(parts needed) In-Reply-To: <42155493.1040402@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 18 14:42:22 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:42:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <20050218091820.C75C1252A2@smtp.amb.org> References: <20050218091820.C75C1252A2@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <4215F0BE.5010600@snet.net> The good news is that if B&W has a supply then it's not too late to get a few spares at less than outrageous prices. Ed Ti Kan wrote: >Edward Noyes writes: > > >>... >>The sad truth is that all of these decks are >>destined to a slow (literally) death in the end... >>... >> >> > >I really want my Naks to last a long time. This is not a happy thought >to say the least... :( > >-Ti > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Feb 18 15:09:06 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 9:09:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Message-ID: <20050218140906.NLHY4448.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Try Liberman Sound as I hear they are much cheaper on the labor also. http://www.libermansound.com/index.htm > > From: "gilbertparts at pwaccess.com" > Date: 2005/02/17 Thu PM 07:33:48 EST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 > > Is 26l.30 with labor or just a parts quote? I have a ZX-7 that needs help also. > Frank > > > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > > autostop problem?) > > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > > > Capstan belt $44.75 > > Cam control belt $6.80 > > Motion sense belt $14.75 > > Wind idler $75 > > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > > S&H $10 > > Total $261.30 > > > > I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. Thanks, > > > > -MA > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 18 15:38:40 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:38:40 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibration too, interesting. Message-ID: <20050218143840.76097.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Well well well. Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were available, I meant what I could find worldwide! In Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must admit and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak since getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last month) is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion checked before this last months search, and nothing's really been around. I did manage to track down the (my) RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a "status" Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of serious looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. But the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, they just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre ppl said the other day that they service or fix a Dragon once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at that rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't mention how many per month of the other high end Naks they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and yes - they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds silly in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all the parts for it and while it may not be quite the full '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top cassette deck for the times - and they can still be bought NOS or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit not to the same level as in the 80's, well to me perhaps something that in 5 years I can just order parts for if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy quality cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback measure to me! Just a thought. Iain. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 18 17:02:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:02:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK repair facilities for Nak decks - help needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c515d3$502964e0$27864c51@oemcomputer> Bowers and Wilkins Littlehampton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN13 1QA +44 01903 264 141 info at classic-nakamichi.com http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Hurst > Sent: 18 February 2005 06:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] UK repair facilities for Nak decks - help needed. > > > Hi all. > > As my top of the range, but ancient, Aiwa deck has just been declared > DOA by my repairman here in Ireland due to lack of parts, I was > contemplating going for a good s/h Nakamichi deck - the CR7e looks > particularly interesting, but I'd be grateful if anyone has any other > suggestions for a good 3 head machine. > > What is currently holding me back is that I can't find anything on > the Net about a decent repair facility in the UK with access to > Nakamichi spares. Obviously decks of this age require regular routine > maintenance, and if something goes seriously wrong, without parts > it'll be the same story as my defunct Aiwa. > > Can any of you Nak fans help me out with this? > > TIA > > Alex > > > > > > > -- > Alex Hurst > Waterfall > Nr. Cork > Ireland > > Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) > +353 214 270 907 (W) > > Fax: +353 214 271 248 > email: corkflor at iol.ie > Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) > Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ > Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > > Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 > ID: 0x5BB72019 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 18 17:33:22 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:33:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Knocked about Nak... In-Reply-To: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <006701c515d7$8ffcf9c0$27864c51@oemcomputer> T-Cut? The "gentle" abrasive that's used to take off the discoloured surface paint on cars, and to polish back to a shine again? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 18 February 2005 06:15 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Knocked about Nak... > > > Fellow Nakkers, > > As part of my restoration efforts on my 600-II, I have the following > queston: > > Does anyone know of a product, or a method, to remove deep scratches in > the clear plastic "window" of the tape door? It has one nasty scratch > and the deck would look almost new if I could get rid of the scratch > (it's almost a scrape, really). > > Thanks! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From semplay at dircon.co.uk Fri Feb 18 17:34:30 2005 From: semplay at dircon.co.uk (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:34:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? In-Reply-To: <20050218133205.57306.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ian I have several Nakamichi's which include a ZX7 which is a great machine in my limited experience as it is very capable in extracting the best from good recordings. I also have 3 682ZX machines which are often overlooked but are superbly natural and warm sounding with real depth and focus to the recordings particularly on decent tapes. I am a real fan of the 682ZX plus the build quality is very substantial but not oversized. Jagtar Iain McGhee18/02/2005 13:32iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au > G'day Marc! > > Hmmm, someone who isn't totally slavering at the mouth > for a CR-7 eh? . > > > 682ZX eh? Hadn't really investigated it to be honest. > As to the Naks I have: currently an RX-202E, and as > above, about to receive an RX-505E.> > It would be interesting to hear what others have to > say about the sonic CHARACTERISTICS of the better > Naks. I do have a very finely tuned ear, so it would > be of interest to me. > From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 18 17:53:02 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:53:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK repair facilities for Nak decks - help needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex. there is in the UK an excellent Nakamichi agent. He has served me well over the years. The company is Bowers and wilkins.(you will find them by a yahoo or google search but I think the page you want is info at classic-nakamichi.com ) The site lists the Nak models he has no service parts for, and therefore the models not to buy! I am sure you will find them helpfull and give advice on what models are the best to buy (available parts wise. that is) I have never owned a CR7 so I cant comment on this model in any way , I do own ZX7, ZX9 and Dragon and I have no problems getting them serviced/repaired by B & W (at the moment that is!) They also use the classic Nack mechanics and I believe this mech to be the best Nak built! One drawback is the problem with the "orange capacitors" If you read about Naks on the net you will have an idea what I am talking about, If not I dont think it is that much of a problem in the long run, both my ZXs have had work done on the oscillator circuits but its an easy and cheap repair (using B & W that is).These models ooze quality and it shows thru in the quality of recording and playback. I know other members of this forum may have different and conflicting advice (all good may I add!!!), so you will have to read it all and make up your owm mind. The one thing I know we all agree on is that you will not find a better all-round cassette deck than a Nak! Good luck and let us know what you decide on. Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hurst [mailto:corkflor at iol.ie] Sent: 18 February 2005 06:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK repair facilities for Nak decks - help needed. Hi all. As my top of the range, but ancient, Aiwa deck has just been declared DOA by my repairman here in Ireland due to lack of parts, I was contemplating going for a good s/h Nakamichi deck - the CR7e looks particularly interesting, but I'd be grateful if anyone has any other suggestions for a good 3 head machine. What is currently holding me back is that I can't find anything on the Net about a decent repair facility in the UK with access to Nakamichi spares. Obviously decks of this age require regular routine maintenance, and if something goes seriously wrong, without parts it'll be the same story as my defunct Aiwa. Can any of you Nak fans help me out with this? TIA Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 18 18:09:10 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:09:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 drive tires In-Reply-To: <20050218090627.4DCD9C6132@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: If its the same mech as the ZX7 and 9 I believe they rarely need changing, My ZX9 is 20 years old and the tyres have never been changed The ZX7 is older and I was advised to change the idler on its last service "just in case!" in Jan (no available stock problems and quite cheap!) it is DEFINITELY not the same tyre as used in later non Nak Mechs. By the way, this is is in the UK, I cant comment on the rest of the world. My opinion is that the classic Nak mech is probably the best cassette transport EVER made! By any manufacturer! If I was you I would go for this machine, IF the idler tyres are the only problem that is! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sie [mailto:sie28873 at lycos.com] Sent: 18 February 2005 09:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX5 drive tires Just bought a Nakamichi LX5 with a slight fault in it. Been told that it needs drive tires. Quite excited about this as it is my first Naks with Nakamichi's classic transport. Not quite sure what it means to replace the drive tires though. The BX300 I have is blessed with an idler transport that apparently needs bi-annual replacing. Its still waiting for a full rehabilitation......which is another storey.....so back to the LX5. Gonna be my show-piece set so looking forward to it arriving to restore it. Is this a simple rubber tire like in the BX300 and is there a source I can purchase them from easily? Had the impression reading these threads that the Naks classic transport is THE tried and trusted of transports and should last for yonks. Any opinions/leads on the drive tires? Ben P.S. The set doesn't come with operating or service manuals. Wonder if any Naktalkers out there have a copy they could send? Thanks. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 18 18:19:02 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:19:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 goes clunk when PLAY is depressed In-Reply-To: <4215B0ED.6040803@comcast.net> Message-ID: My ZX9 did this a few years back and I had visions of new direct drive csptain motor and expensive electronics! It turned out to be a capstain drive belt connecting the two captains together! I did look inside to see if it would be possible to do the repair myself (very rare do I do this!) but decided to entrust the work to B & W. It was a cheapish repair and my beloved ZX9 is still working great! Colin -----Original Message----- From: CC [mailto:c123666 at comcast.net] Sent: 18 February 2005 09:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 goes clunk when PLAY is depressed I pulled out my ZX9 to start spinning tapes to move them to CDR and was a bit perturbed when I depressed PLAY and the only thing that happened was the deck went CLUNK and nothing else happened after that. Both FF./REW work fine; play does not. It is not the tape; tried about four different brands of tapes all of them high quality (MAX, MXS, MAR). I seem to recall that this happened once before and the cause was a failed capstan. I am looking for feedback from knowledgeable persons on if this is the culprit and what that actually means to me. I am also wondering if it is economic to fix the deck at this point or simply sell it as is to a person that can repair it him/herself. I think the unit is worth in the area of 500 if in good working/cosmetic condition but have not paid attention for a long time to pricing of these excellent pieces of equipment. I intend to keep the CR7A until my cassettes are moved to CDR and then sell that, too. That one, at least so far, functions flawlessly and is probably a better unit for playback only (I don't record cassettes anylonger) due to the manual playback azimuth adjustment. Comments on this observation are also welcomed. I always preferred the ZX9 for recording purposes, though. Both decks are stock. Edward Noyes wrote: > >> On the bright side, however, if you replace all of those parts you >> will have fixed about 98% of everything that customarily goes wrong >> with that instrument, and since ESL is doing the work I think you'd >> end up with a reliable ZX-7. Keep it clean and happy and you will >> get years of service from it. > > > > My understanding is that ESL is not doing the work... only supplying > the parts. This may explain in part why the prices are so high. I do > know that Jeff prefers to reserve his parts stock for repair items > which would mean that he'd like to make it worthwhile to let these > gems go. > > As far as the investment - the way I figure it, if I store my spares > in nitrogen for about twenty years they should be about as valuable as > those gold 1000ZXL's! > > Ed > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 18 18:48:58 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:48:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4214EA66.1556.7A4C09E@localhost> Message-ID: So glad B & W came good for you Scott. We in the UK are very lucky to have such a good honest Company to look after our naks! They dont rip you off on parts pricing (no holding back on spares so as to hype up the price when they become hard to find!!), they dont rip you off on service costs and the average repair takes a few weeks only! The work they do is to a very highest standard, The machines come back to you totally clean and polished (better than I can ever do!!) and they are most helpfull on the telephone or Email. as you say, Scott, you talk to the "man" himself! By some of the recent posts it looks as its not so good on the "other side of the pond" It seems that for once we here in the UK are getting the best deals on servicing and repairs of our Naks! Also good to know your Nak ZX7, with all its new "Rubber" must be back in great working order Scott! Dont you just have to love the ZX7? Of all my Naks I still prefer it the most!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Delica Caldwell [mailto:caldwell at cvtel.net] Sent: 18 February 2005 01:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Try Bowers & Wilkins in the UK. Colin suggested this to me for my ZX-7 and they had all the OE rubber parts (belts, rollers and idler wheel) in stock. Cost was about USD 69.00 with Airmail postage to the US. Interestingly, Paul Wilkins of B&W answered my emails and took my order. B&W email: info at classic-nakamichi.com Scott From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 21:06:49 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:06:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050218200649.90015.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> CR 7 (& Dragon are) the two Special Nakamichi decks - all of Naks special abilities put in to one machine and is definitely special to me. Record replay performance of CR 7 is remarkable with ease of calibration, remote manual play azimuth adjust and finally a great meter ( and very accurate too). All of these are special to CR 7 and it sounds wonderful when set up properly. If it had not corrected for rec equalization - you really do not hear the special sound of CR 7. Excepting minor motor problem normal to any of these Sankyo transport - CR 7 is a work horse machine without many issues common to Older nak mechanism like dried up lubrication or some obscure light fails the play out put etc. Much cheaper than Dragon on ebay if at all ebayed! Easy to service and great looks too. kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Iain, CR-7s do rear their heads at times - I don't think they are going to be any more numerous than any other top of the range units from Nak, which in another way of saying - they are rare. CR-7 is a great deck to aspire to, but not so much more than some other top of the range three head Nak in good shape that I would become to obsessed with it. The great Naks to own are CR-7, ZX-9, Dragon, RX-505 and 682ZX. 700ZXE is also very fine. CR-4 is excellent and durable. ZX-7 is fantastic - just like a 682ZX in may ways, but better floursecent meters. The ZXLs are too temperamental. CR-5 is so rare as to not be worth thinking about - a curiosity. LX-5 is a straightforward classic Nak without fancy alignment. I don't know what Naks you have presently, but if you can find ZX-7s at the moment as you say - well, that's a tremendous Nak, and with a more durable mechanism than a CR-7. Maybe it doesn't quite have that analytical, stripped bare sound of the CR-7, but I would go for it. Actually, it's warmer, richer and more cohesive. But this is being very picky. Unless you have very sharp hearing, it would be hard to hear the difference. The CR-7 has the same reputation thesedays that Dragon had in the heyday of tape in general. I'd ford a small stream for a CR-7, but I sure wouldn't risk drowning for one. But a barely used 682ZX that I got 2 years ago - now, that was a prize!! Marc >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/18/05 10:47AM >>> Durned if I know - in cyberspace one can find ZX-9s, Dragons, ZX-7s, RX-505s, most other sundry Naks but the only CR-7 for sale I could find was on ESLs site at $2000 USD - plus shipping to Australia I'd have to be damned financial to even contemplate it. Two local high-end dealers who deal in used gear here in Melbourne and get Naks in sometimes (one had two Naks but nothing special) have their eyes out for me. I've even rung and checked interstate dealers' sites - not all of them by all means. Checked some classifieds too. Ebay/Audiogon seem to have nothing. Any suggestions - or is it just Australia maybe. I know the CR-7 is *the* Nak du jour in terms of demand atm plus they weren't made for very long either, so I'm not expecting it to be EASY. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 18 20:50:53 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:50:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? Message-ID: <194.38d123a4.2f47a11d@aol.com> Hi Iain, I use to own two RX 505 at one time and let me TELL YOU!!! you will NOT!!! BE DISAPPOINTED!! if its excellent working condition!! The sound is on par! with the Dragon or the CR 7A I miss both they were in Mint shape too and thar auto reverse mechansim that bring out the cassette from the compartment and turns around the cassette and put it back will make your eyes widen!! it will amaze you and your friends to no end! MAYBE!! I WILL GET ANOTHER RX-505!! I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF THE RX-505 WITHOUT DOUBT ONE OF THE FINEST NAKAMICHI MADE TOGETHER WITH THE DRAGON AND THE CR-7A. I am amazed at what great brains!! God gave these SIMPLY FANTASTIC!!! Nakamichi Engineers to design these great tape decks we all marvel at! Just my two bit!! :) Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corkflor at iol.ie Fri Feb 18 21:05:37 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:05:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Experiences of B&W UK service/CR 7E opinions (wasUK repair facilities). In-Reply-To: <006401c515d3$502964e0$27864c51@oemcomputer> References: <006401c515d3$502964e0$27864c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Nelson wrote in response to my request for a UK Nak servicing company: >Bowers and Wilkins >Littlehampton Road, >Worthing, >West Sussex, >BN13 1QA > >+44 01903 264 141 >info at classic-nakamichi.com >http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm > Thanks Nelson. I thought that great loudspeakers were their thing. It's a relief to know I don't have to go to the US for service and spares. Now the next question. Do they do a good job? Any experiences gratefully received. This is all virgin territory to me. I have loads of excellent tapes (commercial and home-brewed), and currently nothing decent to play them on since my trusty high-end Aiwa went the way of all flesh for lack of spare parts. I'm not a hi-fi buff, but Nakamichi stuck in my mind as being the best of the best in cassette deck technology. A few searches on Google seemed to indicate the CR7E was the best of the bunch, so that's what I'm looking for. What say you all? Maybe there are other Naks which are just as good. Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From arichison at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 21:11:25 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:11:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Where the hell are people getting these CR-7s from anyway? In-Reply-To: <20050218133205.57306.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050218201126.93819.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> my current deck is the mr1 it is fantastic, never heard a zx7 but I know the nak sound and the mr1 is smooth and has a fine head on it. not alot of money either! andre --- Iain McGhee wrote: > G'day Marc! > > Hmmm, someone who isn't totally slavering at the > mouth > for a CR-7 eh? > > I'm am very glad to hear the comment about the > SONICS > of the CR-7 vs the ZX-9 - the terms you used Marc > were > very helpful, so far people in general on the net > everywhere haven't descriptively compared the better > Naks. > > OH! EVERYONE! MY RX-505 IS COMING ON MONDAY OR > TUESDAY! AT LAST! > > The guy who has sold it to me said that when he had > a > CR-7 he didn't like the treble on it much compared > to > other top Naks - I mainly want a CR-7 or Dragon or > ZX-9/7 (DEFINTELY not a 1000ZXL, nooo way - heard > all > about how they just go bung and then you have a very > expensive piece of metal and plastic) purely for the > tape calibration, in these uncertain times even when > having laid in a stock of cassettes for the future I > want/ed to be able to access the Type 11 still being > manufactured and the stashes at audiophile stores > that > I know of. > > Interesting about your CR-5 comment, there was a > CR-5 > on Audiogon for nearly a month very recently but the > seller didn't reply to my email - I presume he > didn't > want to ship to Aust. > > 682ZX eh? Hadn't really investigated it to be > honest. > As to the Naks I have: currently an RX-202E, and > as > above, about to receive an RX-505E. I HOPE, this > guy > has been a major hassle to deal with to be honest, > but > he says he posted it yesterday. The 202 is in VGC > and > low use, got it at about 50% what it is worth here > off > the original owner, the 505 is supposed to be in > between excellent to mint and very low use. > > Everyone cross their fingers for me that I get the > 505, and it's what he says it is PLEASE! ;-) > > It would be interesting to hear what others have to > say about the sonic CHARACTERISTICS of the better > Naks. I do have a very finely tuned ear, so it > would > be of interest to me. > > Iain > > > > --- Mark H > ugo wrote: > > Iain, > > > > CR-7s do rear their heads at times - I don't think > > they are going to be > > any more numerous than any other top of the range > > units from Nak, which > > in another way of saying - they are rare. > > > > CR-7 is a great deck to aspire to, but not so much > > more than some other > > top of the range three head Nak in good shape that > I > > would become to > > obsessed with it. The great Naks to own are CR-7, > > ZX-9, Dragon, RX-505 > > and 682ZX. 700ZXE is also very fine. CR-4 is > > excellent and durable. > > ZX-7 is fantastic - just like a 682ZX in may ways, > > but better > > floursecent meters. The ZXLs are too > temperamental. > > CR-5 is so rare as > > to not be worth thinking about - a curiosity. > LX-5 > > is a straightforward > > classic Nak without fancy alignment. I don't know > > what Naks you have > > presently, but if you can find ZX-7s at the moment > > as you say - well, > > that's a tremendous Nak, and with a more durable > > mechanism than a CR-7. > > Maybe it doesn't quite have that analytical, > > stripped bare sound of the > > CR-7, but I would go for it. Actually, it's > warmer, > > richer and more > > cohesive. But this is being very picky. Unless > you > > have very sharp > > hearing, it would be hard to hear the difference. > > > > > The CR-7 has the same reputation thesedays that > > Dragon had in the > > heyday of tape in general. I'd ford a small > stream > > for a CR-7, but I > > sure wouldn't risk drowning for one. But a barely > > used 682ZX that I got > > 2 years ago - now, that was a prize!! > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/18/05 10:47AM >>> > > Durned if I know - in cyberspace one can find > ZX-9s, > > Dragons, ZX-7s, RX-505s, most other sundry Naks > but > > the only CR-7 for sale I could find was on ESLs > site > > at $2000 USD - plus shipping to Australia I'd have > > to > > be damned financial to even contemplate it. Two > > local > > high-end dealers who deal in used gear here in > > Melbourne and get Naks in sometimes (one had two > > Naks > > but nothing special) have their eyes out for me. > > I've > > even rung and checked interstate dealers' sites - > > not > > all of them by all means. Checked some > classifieds > > too. > > > > Ebay/Audiogon seem to have nothing. > > > > Any suggestions - or is it just Australia maybe. > I > > know the CR-7 is *the* Nak du jour in terms of > > demand > > atm plus they weren't made for very long either, > so > > I'm not expecting it to be EASY. > > > > Iain > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > > Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > The information contained in this email is > > confidential and may be subject > > to legal privilege. 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The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From britri at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 21:53:38 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:53:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1 In-Reply-To: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> References: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <421655D2.9000400@comcast.net> I have a nak 1. This deck retailed for $1,000 and, I think, was the last hi end nak built. I think it sounds great. It never seems to be a favorite in this group. Does anybody else like it? Brian From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 19 07:30:19 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:30:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8DA@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi Ali. I'm fine thanks, hope you are too. The manual is on it's way, I have a copy at home. You will receive an e-mail from yousendit.com in about 45 min time stating that you have a file ready for download, this will be the manual in .pdf format. Please let me know if you have any probs. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 11:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR 7A JUST ARRIVED!! BUT NO MANUAL! DOES ANYONE HAS A MANUAL?! ... Dear Tom, Hope you are fine! and wondering if the manual for CR-7A is on the way?!! Thanks for your very kind HELP!!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 18 22:34:42 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:34:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1 Message-ID: <6d.3f3e647c.2f47b972@aol.com> LOL@ BRAIN!!! Brain dont take it seriously buddy!!! just having a laugh in a light way! to lighten up things!!! I am sure the Nak1 must be good, but to be honest with you I never even knew it exsisted!! I apologise! for my ignorance!! Thanks! Buddy!! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 18 22:37:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:37:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Experiences of B&W UK service/CR 7E opinions (wasUK repair facilities). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c51602$1a004c60$61dc4c51@oemcomputer> Hi Alex They did a superb job on fixing and servicing my ZX-9. Cost me £180 including VAT for the lot, including all new belts and pinch rollers, etc., even replaced some of the knobs and a lost dust cap for one pair of knobs. They even polished it! It came back looking near new! I was very impressed. Well worth £180 of a anyone's money. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Hurst > Sent: 18 February 2005 20:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Experiences of B&W UK service/CR 7E opinions (wasUK > repair facilities). > > > Nelson wrote in response to my request for a UK Nak servicing company: > > >Bowers and Wilkins > >Littlehampton Road, > >Worthing, > >West Sussex, > >BN13 1QA > > > >+44 01903 264 141 > >info at classic-nakamichi.com > >http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm > > > > Thanks Nelson. I thought that great loudspeakers were their thing. > It's a relief to know I don't have to go to the US for service and > spares. > > Now the next question. Do they do a good job? Any experiences > gratefully received. > > This is all virgin territory to me. I have loads of excellent tapes > (commercial and home-brewed), and currently nothing decent to play > them on since my trusty high-end Aiwa went the way of all flesh for > lack of spare parts. > > I'm not a hi-fi buff, but Nakamichi stuck in my mind as being the > best of the best in cassette deck technology. A few searches on > Google seemed to indicate the CR7E was the best of the bunch, so > that's what I'm looking for. > > What say you all? Maybe there are other Naks which are just as good. > > Best > > Alex > -- > Alex Hurst > Waterfall > Nr. Cork > Ireland > > Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) > +353 214 270 907 (W) > > Fax: +353 214 271 248 > email: corkflor at iol.ie > Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) > Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ > Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > > From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Feb 18 22:38:57 2005 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:38:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Experiences of B&W UK service/CR 7E opinions (wasUK repair facilities). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502182137.j1ILbQW1017046@zxe.naks.com> Alex, I can back Graham up here, Bowers&Wilkins are the firm for Naks. Go to their site and you will see references to their servicing department. Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hurst Sent: 18 February 2005 20:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Experiences of B&W UK service/CR 7E opinions (wasUK repair facilities). Nelson wrote in response to my request for a UK Nak servicing company: >Bowers and Wilkins >Littlehampton Road, >Worthing, >West Sussex, >BN13 1QA > >+44 01903 264 141 >info at classic-nakamichi.com >http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm > Thanks Nelson. I thought that great loudspeakers were their thing. It's a relief to know I don't have to go to the US for service and spares. Now the next question. Do they do a good job? Any experiences gratefully received. This is all virgin territory to me. I have loads of excellent tapes (commercial and home-brewed), and currently nothing decent to play them on since my trusty high-end Aiwa went the way of all flesh for lack of spare parts. I'm not a hi-fi buff, but Nakamichi stuck in my mind as being the best of the best in cassette deck technology. A few searches on Google seemed to indicate the CR7E was the best of the bunch, so that's what I'm looking for. What say you all? Maybe there are other Naks which are just as good. Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dbauer45 at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 23:43:38 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:43:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibrationtoo, interesting. References: <20050218143840.76097.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5160b$49f520e0$c801a8c0@dougpc> Iain, If you are set on a DR-10, I have one that is brand spanking new in its original box. Not a fingerprint on it. In fact, it is still wrapped in the inner styrofoam sheet. I bought it from a failed advertizing firm that had it sitting in their closet collecting dust. I am keeping it as a backup for my 480 and 582, but am now thinking of trading up to a CR-7. Let me know if you are interested. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibrationtoo, interesting. > Well well well. > > Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were > available, I meant what I could find worldwide! In > Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must admit > and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak since > getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last month) > is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion checked > before this last months search, and nothing's really > been around. I did manage to track down the (my) > RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a "status" > Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of serious > looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. But > the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. > > There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. > > There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, they > just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre ppl > said the other day that they service or fix a Dragon > once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people > (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at that > rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't > mention how many per month of the other high end Naks > they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and yes - > they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( > > I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds silly > in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all the > parts for it and while it may not be quite the full > '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top cassette > deck for the times - and they can still be bought NOS > or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit not > to the same level as in the 80's, well to me perhaps > something that in 5 years I can just order parts for > if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy quality > cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback measure > to me! > > Just a thought. > > Iain. > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From caldwell at cvtel.net Sat Feb 19 01:29:29 2005 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:29:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: <4214EA66.1556.7A4C09E@localhost> Message-ID: <42163409.24075.21545A1@localhost> Colin, Thanks for the advice to use B&W. My package came today with all the ZX-7 belts, idler tire and pressure rollers. It took about 2 weeks to get from the UK to Minnesota. As I mentioned previously, USD 69.00 for the lot including airmail. That is about 1/4 of the cost quoted from ESL. I plan to deliver my ZX-7 to my local Nakamichi service center in Minneapolis for a tune up, parts installation of the above and orange cap replacement. Hopefully in the next week or so I will have it all done. Scott From mamster at wnx.com Sat Feb 19 03:16:44 2005 From: mamster at wnx.com (Michael Amster) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:16:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <606862743ce44f878dc6a0082931fdd2.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> References: <606862743ce44f878dc6a0082931fdd2.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Message-ID: <4216A18C.2030404@wnx.com> That was parts only... gilbertparts at pwaccess.com wrote: > Is 26l.30 with labor or just a parts quote? I have a ZX-7 that needs help also. > Frank > > > >>I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - >> >>1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of >>things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the >>autostop problem?) >>2. Are there any other sources available? >> >>Capstan belt $44.75 >>Cam control belt $6.80 >>Motion sense belt $14.75 >>Wind idler $75 >>2 pressure rollers $55 each >>S&H $10 >>Total $261.30 >> >>I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. Thanks, >> >>-MA >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Feb 18 20:35:14 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Jerry) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:35:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer Message-ID: <42164372.8010602@omniglobal.net> Hi Everyone.This is my very first computer message ever.I have escaped from Web TV hell!I will probably keep web tv untill i find out more how to use My LINUX "Lycoris Desktop LX" O/S,especially also to learn to use a digicam for E-Bay.I will be very excited to see this post if it materializes on Naktalk,Thanks for the post which strays so far off the topic,especially since it will fascilitate communication about Nakamichi's and Audiotalk in general. LINUX- Power Of The Penguin ( who needs windows or gates when the future is open?)! From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 04:12:02 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:12:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <42155119.1040701@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050219031202.28011.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> You can read a little more about the Capstan belt problem on my web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html and scroll down to "Capstan Belts, going, going, gone" The MCM Electronics P/N 32-5665 will not work on the classic Nakamichi transport like the one used in Michael's ZX-7. It only works on the pre-gear idler Sankyo mechanisms. More can be read about this Sankyo idler in the section "Small rubber idler issue - Idler tire for Sankyo mechanism " BTW - I have almost completed my web page on 660ZX calibration procedure. I will be modifying it in the near future with comments on how it applies to decks other than the 660ZX. Basically making it generic. Check it out. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html Scott J. --- Edward Noyes wrote: > Well, I really do like Jeff Galin, but considering that I bought a > stockpile of belts right around the time that I announced Patty's > "last > call" for parts on Naktalk a couple of years ago for a fraction of > the > cost, I'd say that Jeff is going to do very well on that large loan > he > took out to buy the rather large inventories of spares that he > purchased > around that time. > > If I recall correctly, the capstan belt was about $10 and the cam > control was under $3. I can still save you $74.51 on the idler if > you > care to look up MCM part number 32-5665. Jeff swears that these > don't > last as long, but for the price difference even if they only lasted > a > quarter as long, they'd still be a bargain. > > As much as I'd like to say shame on Jeff for taking advantage of > the > situation, I also have to bear in mind that he is largely > responsible > for the fact that these belts are available at all. Some of you may > > recall that THERE WERE NO BELTS FOR ANY OF THE GREAT TWIN CAPSTAN > DECKS > SEVERAL YEARS AGO. It was only Jeff and Patty's persistence that > got Nak > to tool up a final run of all belts. Likewise, the sad news is that > > THERE ARE NO KNOWN OUTSIDE SOURCES FOR BELTS THAT WILL WORK IN > THESE > DECKS! The Nak belts are very thin, and everything else that either > Jeff > or Stephen Sank tried that was non-Nakamich caused tension > problems, > skewing, and wow & flutter. The sad truth is that all of these > decks are > destined to a slow (literally) death in the end... that is unless > you've > got a supply or $260. > > Now, the pinch rollers usually can be cleaned and buffed back into > good > shape. I actually have yet to see a Nak with rollers beyond repair. > The > idler can be from MCM and the cam and motion sense are not really > very > critical... pretty much standard MCM or Ceitron.com square belts. > THE > ONE YOU HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET ON IS THE CAPSTAN... no two ways > about it. > > Sorry if this seems like a downer... I guess it was a pretty bad > day at > work. > > Ed > > Michael Amster wrote: > > > I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > > > 1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" > set of > > things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > > autostop problem?) > > 2. Are there any other sources available? > > > > Capstan belt $44.75 > > Cam control belt $6.80 > > Motion sense belt $14.75 > > Wind idler $75 > > 2 pressure rollers $55 each > > S&H $10 > > Total $261.30 > > > > I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts > cost. > > Thanks, > > > > -MA > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 04:18:55 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:18:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX In-Reply-To: <200502180052.j1I0qBfW012342@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050219031855.35821.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, it makes a difference which is selected during recording. The tape types have vastly different bias settings from each other (especially metal) and slightly different level settings. I bought a bunch of MR-1's that were all modified and calibrated for two types of chrome, type-II tapes (BASF and TDK) and for Type-I. They changed a few resistors in the bias level circuit for Type-IV so that it would calibrated for a Type-II tape. Interesting, but, I just had to modify it back to stock. During playback the ZX/SX/EX switch doesn't matter. Only the 70/120 uS button is used during both record and playback (or is it used during playback only? I'll have to check the schematics to be absolutely sure). Scott J. --- Phil Benedict wrote: > What do these three tape types mean? Is one of them for Type II 70 > usec > tapes (e.g., TDK SA90 tape)? Does it make any difference which one > is > selected when I record? > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Feb 19 07:27:49 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 1:27:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sank 1000zxl Message-ID: <20050219062749.WIRY5415.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Caught this on Audiogon. Look at the pictures and you'll see a S. Sank signature. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1111984747 Roland From ti at amb.org Sat Feb 19 11:02:41 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:02:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer In-Reply-To: <42164372.8010602@omniglobal.net> from "Jerry" at Feb 18, 2005 01:35:14 PM Message-ID: <20050219100241.75F9225297@smtp.amb.org> Jerry writes: > LINUX- Power Of The Penguin ( who > needs windows or gates when the future is open?)! :) Using Linux here! -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 19 15:01:01 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:01:01 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Ooops! Like any Nak, the MR1 is GREAT. Message-ID: <20050219140101.98393.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, wasn't meaning to tread on any toes Andre. I've never heard an MR-1 - but as a three-head Nak it should outperform sonically my RX-202E however the RX-202 has UDAR auto-reverse and AUTO REC STANDBY which is a GODSEND - all the RX models have UDAR and the A/R/S feature which cues up the tape ready for recording after having ffwed through the leader and a recording a short blank then goes into rec pause mode - doesn't matter how far into the cassette you've gone to test and set the recording level it rewinds back then does its thang. It'd be a tossup between sonics and features for me (call me lazy but auto-reverse is great when you're not around the system to change sides - especially when the nifty thing fast-forwards through any blank left at the end of the side for you automatically! before flipping the tape) I say it would be a tossup except for this... I just had a proper look at the MR1 and I noticed it has XLR connections only - my late 80's Accuphase amp doesn't have balanced inputs. I really only meant that none of the SuperNaks (the prestige Naks) come up for sale in Australia much at all. I was very lucky to find an RX-505 (the 3 head RX model) through a classified listing. This was the only SuperNak I could track down for sale in Australia. There is a Dragon for sale in New Zealand for the unholy price of $2500 NZ (about $2200 AU or $1700 US) - but I have to say it's in impeccable condition - original owner sale who is a sound engineer and technician, did all the maintenance himself, no scratches or marks or wear anywhere - the only other Dragon I have seen in such good shape had never been used just the box opened once. But still, OWIE at that price. I was merely using the MR1 as an example of the best Nak other than my RX-202 I had seen on Australian Ebay since I got that unit in Nov '03. Possibly better has been on - I wasn't checking weekly but every 3-6 weeks I did out of curiousity and none of the big gun Naks seemed to appear - no slight on the MR1 AT ALL - we are talking about the company whose 2 head machines outperformed most of the competitions 3-headers. Sonically your MR1 should be superior to the RX-202 being a 3-head deck, and considering I love the sonics just of the 2 headers, what you have is no slouch at all. But I wanted as good as (or as close to that) as it gets in Nakdom sonically, so a status Nak is what I was after. Had to pay like 3x what I paid for the 202 though. Think that MR1 I saw went for a similar price to what my 202 did or a bit less. (the RX-202 and RX-303 weren't cheap new despite being 2 headers 'cos of all the groovy features in them) Cheers! Iain McGhee Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 19 15:38:51 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:38:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESL?? Message-ID: Hi, I've been following the recent posts concerning ESL. with interest! I note that you guys "on the other side of the pond" have very conflicting views and opinions about them! I think, if you have been reading the resent posts that have been praising B & W here in the UK. you would not touch ESL with a bargepole! Surely a company that seems to hype up the price of spare parts by up to 400% cant be trusted with your precious Naks! I realise its the way of the modern world to make a buck or too by overpricing , especially in a captive market but if I was in the US I would have to wonder about what I was getting for my money! and question if I could do business with a company that presumably openly rips of its customers on spares pricing! I know some of you guys are saying how good they are at fixing and servicing your Naks, but we in the UK get the same level of service and professionalism from B & W at a fraction of the price you pay! Scott took my advice and had the rubber parts shipped from B & W for his Nak ZX7 at 25% the cost from ESL and is using a local Nak agent in the US do the service. If more of you guys did this you would (A) save some money and (B) hit ESL where it hurts most! in their wallets. They may even eventually realise that they should act more like B & W and stop taking advantage of the worldwide parts and sevice shortage for our beloved Naks. They may even consider stopping ripping you off! Is a pity that "Naktalk" doesn't have some sort of directory of all the worlds parts suppliers and service agents. so a league table could be compiled for reference when we need it. After all, it has become so easy to trade with the rest of the world, we dont only have to deal with suppliers within our own countries boarders anymore! I wonder if the guys at ESL read these posts? And if so, why they haven't replied in their defence! We shall see? Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Sat Feb 19 15:55:57 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:55:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Message-ID: <065e0901cffc4bb4ad9aa659b960a863.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> -- Yikes, Thats riddiculous ! I live in MA, but its cheaper for me to have them shipped from the UK than CT, go figure....... > That was parts only... > > gilbertparts at pwaccess.com wrote: > > > Is 26l.30 with labor or just a parts quote? I have a ZX-7 that needs help also. > > Frank > > > > > > > >>I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > >> > >>1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > >>things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > >>autostop problem?) > >>2. Are there any other sources available? > >> > >>Capstan belt $44.75 > >>Cam control belt $6.80 > >>Motion sense belt $14.75 > >>Wind idler $75 > >>2 pressure rollers $55 each > >>S&H $10 > >>Total $261.30 > >> > >>I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. Thanks, > >> > >>-MA > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From joelll at genericdomain.net Sat Feb 19 16:52:08 2005 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:52:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Knocked about Nak... In-Reply-To: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> References: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: hi... On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > As part of my restoration efforts on my 600-II, I have the following > queston: > > Does anyone know of a product, or a method, to remove deep scratches in > the clear plastic "window" of the tape door? It has one nasty scratch > and the deck would look almost new if I could get rid of the scratch > (it's almost a scrape, really). My favorite plastic polish is called Novus. It comes in three strengths: #1 is a very light polish and anti-static, #2 is a lightly abrasive light scratch remover, and #3 is a heavy scratch remover. It costs about $20 for a set of all three, enough to polish more stuff than I've had lying around over the past two years, including my car's taillights and other plastics, plastic watch crystals, turntable dustcovers, some CD's, etc. If you google search on "novus pinball" you should be able to find it quite cheap, because pinball game restorers and owners go through the stuff quickly. A freshly "novused" pinball playfield is really fast, excellent for the high-speed games of the 1990s. It costs around $15 for all three bottles. Start with #3 if needed, then #2 and then #1. Great stuff. Joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net From jknows1 at mac.com Sat Feb 19 16:53:23 2005 From: jknows1 at mac.com (james knowles) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:53:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibrationtoo, interesting. In-Reply-To: <000b01c5160b$49f520e0$c801a8c0@dougpc> References: <20050218143840.76097.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c5160b$49f520e0$c801a8c0@dougpc> Message-ID: <2af5a6b7aa30ffb1e4aa3a3fc154501d@mac.com> Hi Dean, I own a used DR 10 that I recently purchased at a pawn shop for $50.00. Just had it overhauled and it now sounds excellent. I note from yours that you have a boxed unit-does it contain an owners manual? If so,I would be happy to purchase a copy from you. Also, does the unit come with a remote? Please let me know. Thanks, James Knowles On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Dean Bauer wrote: > Iain, > If you are set on a DR-10, I have one that is brand spanking new in its > original box. Not a fingerprint on it. In fact, it is still wrapped > in the > inner styrofoam sheet. I bought it from a failed advertizing firm > that had > it sitting in their closet collecting dust. I am keeping it as a > backup for > my 480 and 582, but am now thinking of trading up to a CR-7. > Let me know if you are interested. > Dean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain McGhee" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:38 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias > calibrationtoo, interesting. > > >> Well well well. >> >> Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were >> available, I meant what I could find worldwide! In >> Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must admit >> and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak since >> getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last month) >> is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion checked >> before this last months search, and nothing's really >> been around. I did manage to track down the (my) >> RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a "status" >> Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of serious >> looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. But >> the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. >> >> There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. >> >> There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, they >> just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre ppl >> said the other day that they service or fix a Dragon >> once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people >> (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at that >> rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't >> mention how many per month of the other high end Naks >> they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and yes - >> they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( >> >> I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds silly >> in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all the >> parts for it and while it may not be quite the full >> '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top cassette >> deck for the times - and they can still be bought NOS >> or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit not >> to the same level as in the 80's, well to me perhaps >> something that in 5 years I can just order parts for >> if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy quality >> cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback measure >> to me! >> >> Just a thought. >> >> Iain. >> >> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >> http://au.movies.yahoo.com >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Feb 19 20:31:32 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:31:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Congrats on your new PC - I just wanted to get your new address into my mail prompt!! Have a great weekend!! Best, Marc >>> jerryjg at omniglobal.net 02/18/05 09:35PM >>> Hi Everyone.This is my very first computer message ever.I have escaped from Web TV hell!I will probably keep web tv untill i find out more how to use My LINUX "Lycoris Desktop LX" O/S,especially also to learn to use a digicam for E-Bay.I will be very excited to see this post if it materializes on Naktalk,Thanks for the post which strays so far off the topic,especially since it will fascilitate communication about Nakamichi's and Audiotalk in general. LINUX- Power Of The Penguin ( who needs windows or gates when the future is open?)! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Feb 19 20:45:36 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:45:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibrationtoo, interesting. Message-ID: Hi Iain, If those prized classic Naks from the heyday of cassette (the eighties mainly) are being hing onto their owners down under, then a DR10 might serve you very well indeed. They are great and have an appealing straight-forwardness about them. They still have the important Nak attributes such as assymetrical dual capstan transport(a brute of a capstan motor by the way), padlifter, and those wonderful miniatarised discrete heads, which are the envy of the industry. With a demanding signal - such as a really wide bandwidth recording from a top league moving coil cartridge, they will preserve far more of that signal than will CD-R. A DR-10 will give you the magic sound of Nakamichi for a much lower entry price than many decks 10 years older. DR-10 retailed for UK Sterling 800.00. Good luck. Marc >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/18/05 04:38PM >>> Well well well. Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were available, I meant what I could find worldwide! In Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must admit and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak since getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last month) is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion checked before this last months search, and nothing's really been around. I did manage to track down the (my) RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a "status" Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of serious looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. But the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, they just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre ppl said the other day that they service or fix a Dragon once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at that rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't mention how many per month of the other high end Naks they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and yes - they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds silly in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all the parts for it and while it may not be quite the full '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top cassette deck for the times - and they can still be bought NOS or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit not to the same level as in the 80's, well to me perhaps something that in 5 years I can just order parts for if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy quality cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback measure to me! Just a thought. Iain. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Feb 19 21:37:09 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:37:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer In-Reply-To: <20050219100241.75F9225297@smtp.amb.org> References: <20050219100241.75F9225297@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <4217A375.5050104@xs4all.nl> The Old Naks.com ran on a P200 running Redhat 6.2 Linux... Naks.com now is based on a dual cpu Dell Poweredge 4300/800 running Fedora Core 3. This Dell is a recent 'classic' 50 kg beast, Nak worthy with it's triple power supplies.. i love it! Wouter Ti Kan wrote: >Jerry writes: > > >>LINUX- Power Of The Penguin ( who >>needs windows or gates when the future is open?)! >> >> > >:) Using Linux here! > >-Ti > > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Feb 19 22:28:16 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:28:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Removing Scratches in Plastic Message-ID: <14.3f6964a6.2f490970@aol.com> Hi Joel, I used that that stuff but found Brasso! better at removing scratches. Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Feb 19 22:30:33 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:30:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] THANKS WOUTER FOR NEW NAKTALK COMPUTER SYSTEM Message-ID: HI Wouter! Thanks for the new system, Although I havent noticed the difference! maybe you might be knowing how it will serve us all better. Thanks! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corkflor at iol.ie Sat Feb 19 22:41:55 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:41:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] High ebay prices for CR7E(?) In-Reply-To: <200502182137.j1ILbQW1017046@zxe.naks.com> References: <200502182137.j1ILbQW1017046@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi folks. and thanks for your input on B&W Nak servicing. Very reassuring. Unfortunately the CR7E I've had my eye on on UK ebay looks like selling for (IMHO) a silly price. With a day to go it's currently up to UK£686.00. OK, it seems to be a nice example, but that's a lot of money, given that the first thing any sensible person would do is to get it serviced (another UK£200 at least). OTOH there'll probably be another one along fairly soon. Received wisdom on the Net is that a good mintish example is worth around UK£500. Is that realistic? So my question for today (as a total Nak tyro), is what's the next best Nak thing to a a Nak CR7E? Maybe I've set my sights too high. Bear in mind that I can get a highly rated modern (and guaranteed) Yamaha deck for less than half the price of a reasonable CR7E. But it would be nice to have a Nak........ Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sun Feb 20 00:34:52 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:34:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual biascalibrationtoo, interesting. References: <20050218143840.76097.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com><000b01c5160b$49f520e0$c801a8c0@dougpc> <2af5a6b7aa30ffb1e4aa3a3fc154501d@mac.com> Message-ID: <001601c516db$9c74b3f0$c801a8c0@dougpc> James, I had it out of the box one time to verify that it records and plays. It was on of about 10 minutes and is 100% perfect. I wore new cotton gloves to handle it and back in the box it went. Everything is new, including the twist ties...never even untwisted. I will gladly copy the manual for you. Please send your address to dbauer45 at comcast.net and I will let you know how much the postage will be...or I can copy images and send them to your e-mail address. Enjoy the music! Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "james knowles" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual biascalibrationtoo, interesting. > Hi Dean, I own a used DR 10 that I recently purchased at a pawn shop > for $50.00. Just had it overhauled and it now sounds excellent. I note > from yours that you have a boxed unit-does it contain an owners manual? > If so,I would be happy to purchase a copy from you. Also, does the unit > come with a remote? Please let me know. Thanks, James Knowles > On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Dean Bauer wrote: > > > Iain, > > If you are set on a DR-10, I have one that is brand spanking new in its > > original box. Not a fingerprint on it. In fact, it is still wrapped > > in the > > inner styrofoam sheet. I bought it from a failed advertizing firm > > that had > > it sitting in their closet collecting dust. I am keeping it as a > > backup for > > my 480 and 582, but am now thinking of trading up to a CR-7. > > Let me know if you are interested. > > Dean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iain McGhee" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:38 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias > > calibrationtoo, interesting. > > > > > >> Well well well. > >> > >> Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were > >> available, I meant what I could find worldwide! In > >> Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must admit > >> and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak since > >> getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last month) > >> is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion checked > >> before this last months search, and nothing's really > >> been around. I did manage to track down the (my) > >> RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a "status" > >> Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of serious > >> looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. But > >> the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. > >> > >> There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. > >> > >> There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, they > >> just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre ppl > >> said the other day that they service or fix a Dragon > >> once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people > >> (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at that > >> rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't > >> mention how many per month of the other high end Naks > >> they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and yes - > >> they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( > >> > >> I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds silly > >> in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all the > >> parts for it and while it may not be quite the full > >> '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top cassette > >> deck for the times - and they can still be bought NOS > >> or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit not > >> to the same level as in the 80's, well to me perhaps > >> something that in 5 years I can just order parts for > >> if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy quality > >> cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback measure > >> to me! > >> > >> Just a thought. > >> > >> Iain. > >> > >> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > >> http://au.movies.yahoo.com > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mamster at wnx.com Sun Feb 20 00:39:39 2005 From: mamster at wnx.com (Michael Amster) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:39:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <42163409.24075.21545A1@localhost> References: <4214EA66.1556.7A4C09E@localhost> <42163409.24075.21545A1@localhost> Message-ID: <4217CE3B.5050909@wnx.com> Scott: What is the "Orange cap" replacement? I can do normal fixes - I will contact B&W for the rubber parts. I assume there are some old leaky caps to replace? Anyone have the values? -MA Scott Caldwell wrote: >Colin, >Thanks for the advice to use B&W. My package came today with >all the ZX-7 belts, idler tire and pressure rollers. It took about 2 >weeks to get from the UK to Minnesota. As I mentioned previously, >USD 69.00 for the lot including airmail. That is about 1/4 of the cost >quoted from ESL. >I plan to deliver my ZX-7 to my local Nakamichi service center in >Minneapolis for a tune up, parts installation of the above and >orange cap replacement. Hopefully in the next week or so I will >have it all done. > >Scott >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Sun Feb 20 12:33:07 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:33:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX vs 682ZX Message-ID: <002d01c5173f$f315d540$0200a8c0@lan> Dear fellow Nakkers, Can any of you tell me what's the difference between a 680ZX (mine) , and a 682ZX? tnx, Johan ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 20 13:12:23 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:12:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Removing Scratches in Plastic In-Reply-To: <14.3f6964a6.2f490970@aol.com> References: <14.3f6964a6.2f490970@aol.com> Message-ID: <42187EA7.7040002@xs4all.nl> I also use Brasso (copper polish), works great! Wouter BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Joel, I used that that stuff but found Brasso! better at removing > scratches. Thanks! > > Best Regards! > > Ali From ti at amb.org Sun Feb 20 12:36:40 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:36:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4217CE3B.5050909@wnx.com> from "Michael Amster" at Feb 19, 2005 03:39:39 PM Message-ID: <20050220113640.7EE65252BD@smtp.amb.org> Michael Amster writes: > What is the "Orange cap" replacement? I can do normal fixes - I will > contact B&W for the rubber parts. I assume there are some old leaky > caps to replace? Anyone have the values? http://support.naks.com/orange/ -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Feb 20 12:48:59 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:48:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Knocked about Nak... Message-ID: <8c.2118b0a9.2f49d32b@aol.com> I've used plain old toothpaste for smaller scratches with great results. I don't know if it will work on yours but it may be worth a try. Regards, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Feb 20 15:55:32 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 9:55:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 Message-ID: <20050220145532.OAQK5415.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Scott, Here is one of two different pages for the dreaded 'orange cap' disease http://support.naks.com/orange/ > > From: Michael Amster > Date: 2005/02/19 Sat PM 06:39:39 EST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Sourcing parts for ZX-7 > > Scott: > > What is the "Orange cap" replacement? I can do normal fixes - I will > contact B&W for the rubber parts. I assume there are some old leaky > caps to replace? Anyone have the values? > > -MA > > Scott Caldwell wrote: > > >Colin, > >Thanks for the advice to use B&W. My package came today with > >all the ZX-7 belts, idler tire and pressure rollers. It took about 2 > >weeks to get from the UK to Minnesota. As I mentioned previously, > >USD 69.00 for the lot including airmail. That is about 1/4 of the cost > >quoted from ESL. > >I plan to deliver my ZX-7 to my local Nakamichi service center in > >Minneapolis for a tune up, parts installation of the above and > >orange cap replacement. Hopefully in the next week or so I will > >have it all done. > > > >Scott > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 16:36:35 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:36:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX vs 682ZX In-Reply-To: <002d01c5173f$f315d540$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20050220153635.37191.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> The 682ZX added Dolby C, 15kHz calibration tone and manually adjustable bias. It also got automatic level calibration. The 682ZX gave up the 1/2 speed mode due to a threat of a lawsuit from Philips for violating the compact cassette standard. Other than that I believe the two are identical. SJ --- "Berserik, J.E." wrote: > Dear fellow Nakkers, > > Can any of you tell me what's the difference between a 680ZX (mine) > , and a 682ZX? > > tnx, > Johan > > ***************************************** > Johan E. Berserik > Archipel 23-09 > 8224 GR LELYSTAD > Tel. 0320 227397 > johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl > *****************************************> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From locopablo at netzero.com Sun Feb 20 16:44:15 2005 From: locopablo at netzero.com (locopablo at netzero.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:44:15 GMT Subject: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes Message-ID: <20050220.074451.2804.123883@webmail34.nyc.untd.com> Hi Mark Hugo: Thank you for the info on the SKC metal tapes, following your advise, I bought 10 SKC metal ZX-90, I hope you know your stuff and this tapes turn out to be as good as you say they are,by the way where did you get info on this tapes,I did a search on the web and there is very little info about these tapes,nothing that says that Sony owns SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul,or that SKC metal ZX-90 and SKC QX-90 are the same as Sony metal ES and Sony UCX-S respectively. Thank you Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes > They are fantastic Pablo - they are the same tape as Sony Metal ES from > circa '88-90. Hard to find though - if you have the opportunity to get > them, then do so. Remember Sony own SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul, so > basically, no surprises. Don't hesitate to snap up the QX as well, as > they are dead ringers for Sony UCX-S of the same period (just before > Sony themselves dropped the UC prefix and superseded that one with the > UX-S). > > Good luck. > > Marc > >>>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/17/05 05:14AM >>> > > Are SKC zx-90 metal tapes any good? > > thanks > > Pablo From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 20 17:30:09 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:30:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <065e0901cffc4bb4ad9aa659b960a863.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Message-ID: It may be helpful to search the net for VCR suppliers to find equivalent belts and rollers/pulleys for Naks. As is the case with idler tires the belts we can substitute for our Naks probably can be chosen from common industry equivalents. Past a point (gears & machined parts) it's like buying an oil filter from a car dealership just to get the manufacturer logo on the package. Unless the Nak is for museum display the more affordable aftermarket parts should suffice. Similar to the "orange caps" page it might help for us all to contribute our individual findings into a database page of what commonly available substitute parts have been usable in restoring our Naks. $44.75 could buy a lot of equally usable aftermarket replacement belts without the nifty "N" logo on the plastic bag. Chances are that MCM or Parts Express (among others) stock an industry VCR or cassette equivalent which can be matched up to the dimensions of your old belt(s) allowing slightly for the stretching of the old one. If you live near a large city a radio & electronics parts supplier may be able to help you match your belts to some in stock or that he/she can order for you for, say, several dollars each instead of nearly fifty. Regardless of the dealer, if you're paying big money be sure to know up front whether or not the parts are genuine OEM. No comment intended on ESL or any other supplier but I suspect that original Nak belts are in such short supply that repair sources, out of necessity, are already having to substitute generic parts. Regards, Bob >From: "gilbertparts at pwaccess.com" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Sourcing parts for ZX-7 >Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:55:57 -0800 > >-- Yikes, Thats riddiculous ! I live in MA, but its cheaper for me to have >them shipped from the UK than CT, go figure....... > > > That was parts only... > > > > gilbertparts at pwaccess.com wrote: > > > > > Is 26l.30 with labor or just a parts quote? I have a ZX-7 that needs >help also. > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > >>I got the following ESL quote and would like to know 2 things - > > >> > > >>1. Do I need to do all of this (yes, I know this is the "right" set of > > >>things to change, but do people think I just need idlers for the > > >>autostop problem?) > > >>2. Are there any other sources available? > > >> > > >>Capstan belt $44.75 > > >>Cam control belt $6.80 > > >>Motion sense belt $14.75 > > >>Wind idler $75 > > >>2 pressure rollers $55 each > > >>S&H $10 > > >>Total $261.30 > > >> > > >>I paid only $110 for the whole ZX-7, so this is a heavy parts cost. >Thanks, > > >> > > >>-MA > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sun Feb 20 21:13:55 2005 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:13:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] High ebay prices for CR7E(?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502202012.j1KKCNXx020193@zxe.naks.com> Alex, Perhaps I got lucky, but I managed to pick one up for £500 last year. And as you say, pay for servicing afterwards. In theory, you should get a good working example for £500, but demand and supply seem to be dictating otherwise. With a day to go at £686, it not going to go down is it, so if it were me I would be looking elsewhere. E-bay is not the only source. Look for CR7s as near as £500 as you can get, otherwise a similar model, as you are suggesting yourself. Good Luck, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hurst Sent: 19 February 2005 21:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] High ebay prices for CR7E(?) Hi folks. and thanks for your input on B&W Nak servicing. Very reassuring. Unfortunately the CR7E I've had my eye on on UK ebay looks like selling for (IMHO) a silly price. With a day to go it's currently up to UK£686.00. OK, it seems to be a nice example, but that's a lot of money, given that the first thing any sensible person would do is to get it serviced (another UK£200 at least). OTOH there'll probably be another one along fairly soon. Received wisdom on the Net is that a good mintish example is worth around UK£500. Is that realistic? So my question for today (as a total Nak tyro), is what's the next best Nak thing to a a Nak CR7E? Maybe I've set my sights too high. Bear in mind that I can get a highly rated modern (and guaranteed) Yamaha deck for less than half the price of a reasonable CR7E. But it would be nice to have a Nak........ Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From esteyes at cox.net Sun Feb 20 22:26:54 2005 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:26:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-4A for sale Message-ID: <005c01c51792$e726a220$6500a8c0@DAD> just noticed that the sound well up in berkeley CA has a CR4 for $300 available http://www.thesoundwell.com/prices.html hope this helps someone Neil Sturtevant "shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sun Feb 20 23:42:13 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:42:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] High ebay prices for CR7E(?) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boblai at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 02:06:33 2005 From: boblai at yahoo.com (Bob Lai) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:06:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Removing scratches Message-ID: <20050221010633.85322.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Novus is fine for certain applications. Not for surfaces to look through. I used Novus on an iPaq and a portable LCD TV and while they reduced the scratches, the new surface was not perfect and visible at an angle and also while viewing through the surface. The better fix is Crystal Clear which is used on watch crystals and removes the scratches and allow perfect viewing through the material. With a heavy scratch there's only one thing to do and that's to level the scratch by polishing a new plane. You could also gently turn the scratch into a wide curve to hide the scratch. For either method (polish out the scratch or replane) use a Dremel with a flat (not the cone) soft polisher. And caution, go very slow, take a lot of time, and be extremely gentle. The speed of the dremel will MELT the material. If you'd like (Kermit), I can send you an old CR1 door with the piece of acrylic? and you can duplicate the scratch and try different methods to determine which method to use. With your panel you get one one shot. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimano2 at rambler.ru Mon Feb 21 07:25:24 2005 From: dimano2 at rambler.ru (Dmitry) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:24 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request Message-ID: Hi Having some repair probs with control part Just stopped due to the service manual absence If anyone can upload or e-mail it for me it would be appreciated Thanks My e-mail dimano2 at rambler.ru From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 21 10:16:21 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:16:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes Message-ID: Hi Pablo, I read it a while ago in a Who owns Whom list ( also leaned at the same time that Sony owned Aiwa and Denon is wholly owned by Sanyo!!). Economically, it is unsurprising, as Korea was a colony of Japan for many years and the business ties remain strong between the two countries. As for the tapes, I did the following. Firstly the visual. Look at the SKC tapes and compare them side by side with their Sony counterparts. Every minute detail is the same. The large dual mould (oversized window) is the exactly the same, screw types, and typical Sony-type perforated white hubs. (Bear in miind I'm comparing the '88/89 Sony series which comprised 5 ES series tapes [ Metal ES, UCX-S, UC-X, HF-ES and HF-S] with the final SKC ZX/QX - i.e. brown and purple warpper respectively). Then, I did tests using a connection here in this country (RSA) which tested the ES series Sonys from 1988/9 with the QX and ZX. measurements were done of Maximum Bass/Mid Level, Max Treble Level MOL/3dB tolerance; and Dynamic Range calculated from bias noise levels. At first, our assumption was that the QX was actually a UC-X. However, it turned out to read precisely the same as the UCX-S (Low/Mid MOL: +3.3; Treble MOL: +3.2 and Dynamic Range: 62.2dB. Be aware that the later UX-S is a bit more sensitive and has a different shell. The old UX-Turbo is not quite as bright or tolerant as the UCX-S but is also not just a UX in wolves clothing!! If you are familiar with Sony Metal-ES, great. Otherwise, if more used to Maxells, then it's more like an MX but with better overload characteristics and therefore better for pop or jazz without Dolby. Not as sensitive as a MX-S, and flatter through the spectrum at -20dB. What we did not understand is that at the time the SKC tapes as mentioned above were "new" in the market, Sony had been selling the UX, UX-Turbo and UX-S models for a couple of years at least. They has also stopped the manufacture of Metal -ES(or to my observation were not promoting it much) and had replaced it with Metal-SR, or alternativley, the much more expensive Metal Master ceramic composite units. Ultimately, the thinking was that SKC did not continue with these two rather nice tapes for long; they probably used what they got in the way of "raw material" from Somy, sold it and left it at that. Enjoy the ZXs Pablo. I'm sure (unless they have led a cruel storage life) they'll give you a lot of joy. Regards, Marc >>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/20/05 05:44PM >>> Hi Mark Hugo: Thank you for the info on the SKC metal tapes, following your advise, I bought 10 SKC metal ZX-90, I hope you know your stuff and this tapes turn out to be as good as you say they are,by the way where did you get info on this tapes,I did a search on the web and there is very little info about these tapes,nothing that says that Sony owns SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul,or that SKC metal ZX-90 and SKC QX-90 are the same as Sony metal ES and Sony UCX-S respectively. Thank you Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes > They are fantastic Pablo - they are the same tape as Sony Metal ES from > circa '88-90. Hard to find though - if you have the opportunity to get > them, then do so. Remember Sony own SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul, so > basically, no surprises. Don't hesitate to snap up the QX as well, as > they are dead ringers for Sony UCX-S of the same period (just before > Sony themselves dropped the UC prefix and superseded that one with the > UX-S). > > Good luck. > > Marc > >>>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/17/05 05:14AM >>> > > Are SKC zx-90 metal tapes any good? > > thanks > > Pablo ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Feb 21 10:17:11 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:17:11 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 arrived today. Message-ID: <20050221091711.74538.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There was this thing called CD once upon a time. It took a long time before finally it sounded nice. Years and years. This tortured audio child "CD" was born in 1982. The silly thing was that there was something better around already which could also record music but the public thought the shiny silver discs were pretty or something. The bigger black discs were ugly in comparision and hid for a long time. History records that not everyone was totally hypnotised by the silver spinning Discs and their Digital hygienic sound. AMEN and boy have I got that old time Nak religion strongly today! (first time I've heard a 3 head Nak let alone a top of the line one - yeehar!) Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 21 11:01:17 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:01:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX vs 682ZX Message-ID: The most useful thing I find of the 682ZX over the 680ZX is the Dolby C, which happens to be a superb implementation. Marc >>> p9019 at yahoo.com 02/20/05 05:36PM >>> The 682ZX added Dolby C, 15kHz calibration tone and manually adjustable bias. It also got automatic level calibration. The 682ZX gave up the 1/2 speed mode due to a threat of a lawsuit from Philips for violating the compact cassette standard. Other than that I believe the two are identical. SJ --- "Berserik, J.E." wrote: > Dear fellow Nakkers, > > Can any of you tell me what's the difference between a 680ZX (mine) > , and a 682ZX? > > tnx, > Johan > > ***************************************** > Johan E. Berserik > Archipel 23-09 > 8224 GR LELYSTAD > Tel. 0320 227397 > johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl > *****************************************> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 21 11:36:03 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:36:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX vs 682ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18928.212.78.179.234.1108982163.squirrel@212.78.179.234> One big difference are the meters. The 680ZX has much nicer meters then the 682ZX, they have 2 modes of operation and more segments. If you look inside the 680ZX you'll find a big box for the meters where the 682ZX this box is replaced by just a PCB. The 680ZX meters are a smaller version of those in the 1000ZXL, the 682ZX meters are something totally different. Wouter > The most useful thing I find of the 682ZX over the 680ZX is the Dolby C, > which happens to be a superb implementation. > Marc > >>>> p9019 at yahoo.com 02/20/05 05:36PM >>> > The 682ZX added Dolby C, 15kHz calibration tone and manually > adjustable bias. It also got automatic level calibration. The 682ZX > gave up the 1/2 speed mode due to a threat of a lawsuit from Philips > for violating the compact cassette standard. > From corkflor at iol.ie Mon Feb 21 11:37:49 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:37:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 ( wasHigh ebay prices for CR7E(?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Martin wrote: >A lot of money for a CR7 is relative. I bought mine new in 1993 for >$3000 Canadian dollars (about 1,287 UK pounds in THOSE days). The >question is how much would a used one in excellent working condition >be worth today given that they are no longer being manufactured and >that there seem to be fewer and fewer of them in pristine shape? > >I reckon that if the unit you are eying is in top condition, you >can't go wrong since it is about one third of the value of >one purchased new. Even if you have to add 200 UKP to bring it up to >specks, it is still a lot less than the what you would have paid for >a CR7 12 years ago and you will have one of the greatest tape decks >ever built. > >Adam Smith wrote over 200 years ago that an item is worth whatever >one is willing to pay for it. > >I don't know about anyone else but I don't think 6 or 700 UK is >exhorbitant given that the unit is in at least very good condition >both cosmetically, mechanically & electronically. if not, you can >always send it to B&W and for a few hundred more have one just like >mine: impecable. Now I'd buy that!! Thanks Martin. The UK ebay deck eventually went to over UK£700. As has been pointed out to me, though it was cosmetically pristine, it had not been regularly used for a number of years, which apparently is not good news for Naks. So with the B&W service and the travel costs associated with it, I wouldn't have had much change from UK£1000, which is a bit rich for me. Maybe I set my sights too high. I'm now thinking seriously about a good ZX-9 - anyone got one spare? Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Cork Florists 19 Winthrop St, Cork Republic of Ireland Tel: +353 21 427 0907 Fax: +353 21 427 1248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 21 11:45:31 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:45:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 arrived today. Message-ID: Hey Iain - sounds as if you have that permanent grin on your face. First time I head a Nakamichi (a CR-4) I was "in the grip" - enjoy your new gem!! I'll tell you this - I am not at all convinced by the reputed cleanliness of CD. Doesn't odd-order harmonic distortion mask sounds? Cheers - Marc >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/21/05 11:17AM >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There was this thing called CD once upon a time. It took a long time before finally it sounded nice. Years and years. This tortured audio child "CD" was born in 1982. The silly thing was that there was something better around already which could also record music but the public thought the shiny silver discs were pretty or something. The bigger black discs were ugly in comparision and hid for a long time. History records that not everyone was totally hypnotised by the silver spinning Discs and their Digital hygienic sound. AMEN and boy have I got that old time Nak religion strongly today! (first time I've heard a 3 head Nak let alone a top of the line one - yeehar!) Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From howarthar at supanet.com Mon Feb 21 15:14:09 2005 From: howarthar at supanet.com (howarthar) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:14:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese/Malaysian DR series decks References: <200502190958.j1J9w7ZX020983@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006501c5181f$b2b38750$08f028d5@your52f45bf7ac> Hi, With some talk recently on the list of later day Nak decks, it has prompted me to ask question. I have two DR-10 decks, both bought new here in the UK between year 2000 and 2002. For one I paid full price (£800, ouch!), bought at an authorised dealer, the second I paid £300 at Richer Sounds (pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap). However I noticed the £800 deck was made in Japan and the £300 deck was made in Malaysia. Both decks have the same black metal front panel and externally look identical. Is there any difference between these decks, perhaps in terms of internal components, etc.? I have never compared the two decks sonically as they are set up in different systems. Was the move to Malaysia part of a Nakamichi exercise to reduce costs? Or was this practice common with all other DR series decks? Thanks, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 37 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:53:38 -0800 From: Brian Stocker Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <421655D2.9000400 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have a nak 1. This deck retailed for $1,000 and, I think, was the last hi end nak built. I think it sounds great. It never seems to be a favorite in this group. Does anybody else like it? Brian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 37 *************************************** From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Mon Feb 21 16:08:52 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:08:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1 In-Reply-To: <421655D2.9000400@comcast.net> References: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> <421655D2.9000400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050221095200.02849010@pop.videotron.ca> At 15:53 02/18/2005, you wrote: >I have a nak 1. This deck retailed for $1,000 and, I think, was the last >hi end nak built. I think it sounds great. It never seems to be a >favorite in this group. >Does anybody else like it? > >Brian Brian, you must be refering to "Cassette Deck 1" (which was nickamed "Deck 1" by Nakamichi personel when the unit was in production). Cassette Deck 1 was replaced by DR-1 which is essentially identical except for cosmetics. Both decks share the much sought after "Playback Azimuth" feature. Cassette Deck 1 is a very fine deck. Some people don't like what was referred to as the "Euro" styling. I personally love it and have owned a CD Player 1 which shares the same styling since it originally came out. By all means, keep on enjoying your Cassette Deck 1. Cheers. -Marc From joelll at genericdomain.net Mon Feb 21 16:54:43 2005 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:54:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Removing scratches In-Reply-To: <20050221010633.85322.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050221010633.85322.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Bob Lai wrote: > Novus is fine for certain applications. Not for surfaces to look through. > I used Novus on an iPaq and a portable LCD TV and while they reduced > the scratches, the new surface was not perfect and visible at an angle > and also while viewing through the surface. Er, I don't think the writing surface of an iPaq and the viewing surface of an LCD TV are what abrasive polishes like Novus are meant for. Hard clear plastics like turntable dustcovers, audio component "windows", motorcycle windshields, etc., are where the stuff really, um, shines. :-} > The better fix is Crystal Clear which is used on watch crystals and > removes the scratches and allow perfect viewing through the material. Which I believe is another abrasive, though it might be finer. > If you'd like (Kermit), I can send you an old CR1 door with the piece of > acrylic? and you can duplicate the scratch and try different methods to > determine which method to use. With your panel you get one one shot. *This* is what makes this list so great. :-) joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 21 17:24:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:24:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 ( wasHigh ebay prices for CR7E(?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c51831$d440ae40$c59187d9@oemcomputer> Alex Import a CR7 from the US - they are cheaper there than in the UK, esp. nw the $ is so low against the Euro (and Sterling) - and use a decent external step down transformer to power it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Hurst > Sent: 21 February 2005 10:38 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 ( wasHigh ebay prices for CR7E(?) > > > Martin wrote: > > >A lot of money for a CR7 is relative. I bought mine new in 1993 for > >$3000 Canadian dollars (about 1,287 UK pounds in THOSE days). The > >question is how much would a used one in excellent working condition > >be worth today given that they are no longer being manufactured and > >that there seem to be fewer and fewer of them in pristine shape? > > > >I reckon that if the unit you are eying is in top condition, you > >can't go wrong since it is about one third of the value of > >one purchased new. Even if you have to add 200 UKP to bring it up to > >specks, it is still a lot less than the what you would have paid for > >a CR7 12 years ago and you will have one of the greatest tape decks > >ever built. > > > >Adam Smith wrote over 200 years ago that an item is worth whatever > >one is willing to pay for it. > > > >I don't know about anyone else but I don't think 6 or 700 UK is > >exhorbitant given that the unit is in at least very good condition > >both cosmetically, mechanically & electronically. if not, you can > >always send it to B&W and for a few hundred more have one just like > >mine: impecable. Now I'd buy that!! > > Thanks Martin. The UK ebay deck eventually went to over UK£700. > > As has been pointed out to me, though it was cosmetically pristine, > it had not been regularly used for a number of years, which > apparently is not good news for Naks. So with the B&W service and the > travel costs associated with it, I wouldn't have had much change from > UK£1000, which is a bit rich for me. > > Maybe I set my sights too high. I'm now thinking seriously about a > good ZX-9 - anyone got one spare? > > Best > > Alex > > > -- > Alex Hurst > Cork Florists > 19 Winthrop St, Cork > Republic of Ireland > Tel: +353 21 427 0907 > Fax: +353 21 427 1248 > email: corkflor at iol.ie > Website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ > > From britri at comcast.net Mon Feb 21 19:10:38 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:10:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050221095200.02849010@pop.videotron.ca> References: <421587E1.9010502@woods-and-waters.com> <421655D2.9000400@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050221095200.02849010@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <421A241E.1010906@comcast.net> Marc Denis wrote: > At 15:53 02/18/2005, you wrote: > >> I have a nak 1. This deck retailed for $1,000 and, I think, was the >> last hi end nak built. I think it sounds great. It never seems to >> be a favorite in this group. >> Does anybody else like it? >> >> Brian > > > Brian, > > you must be refering to "Cassette Deck 1" (which was nickamed "Deck 1" > by Nakamichi personel when the unit was in production). Cassette Deck > 1 was replaced by DR-1 which is essentially identical except for > cosmetics. Both decks share the much sought after "Playback Azimuth" > feature. Cassette Deck 1 is a very fine deck. Some people don't like > what was referred to as the "Euro" styling. I personally love it and > have owned a CD Player 1 which shares the same styling since it > originally came out. By all means, keep on enjoying your Cassette Deck 1. > > Cheers. > > -Marc > > Thank you for the clarification. I hear the Receiver 1 is no slouch either. Ali, thank you for calling me Brain. It's ok to have a light laugh on me. It's gets funnier, my favorite Nak is a Tandberg 3014a Happy Presidents Day, all Brian From philphb at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 21 22:41:42 2005 From: philphb at u.washington.edu (philphb at u.washington.edu) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:41:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 manual Message-ID: I recently acquired a BX-2 deck, without a User Manual. The deck doesn't appear to have any user calibration features such as azimuth or bias adjustments. Is the BX-2 a (low-end, I know) Nak deck for which the manual is not essential? (Two forum members kindly answered my recent post asking for an explanation of the three tape settings.) The one performance parameter I wish I knew is this: what is the deck's rated performance with Type II chrome tape? And on the lucre end of things: what was the price for a new BX-2, retail? From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Feb 21 23:39:47 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:39:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8E3@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> No worries, one 480 service manual coming right up! You will receive several emails when the files are ready to download, let me know if you have any troubles. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry [mailto:dimano2 at rambler.ru] Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 5:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request Hi Having some repair probs with control part Just stopped due to the service manual absence If anyone can upload or e-mail it for me it would be appreciated Thanks My e-mail dimano2 at rambler.ru ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Feb 21 23:50:43 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:50:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050221095200.02849010@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: Brian, I'll agree with Marc's assessment of the Cassette Deck 1. The playback azimuth is what makes it that bit more special compared to other non-range topping 3 head Naks. I actually like the styling of the Cassette Deck series, cos I bought a Cassette Deck 2 (2 heads) new when it was first manufactured and it is still inuse today. I also have a cassette Deck 1.5 (the numbering was an afterthought by Nak cos they had the Deck 1 and 2 first) which has the same features as the Deck 1 and is a 3 head machine, EXCEPT for the adjustable azimuth. Incidentally, all the newer 3 head Naks like the Deck series uses the same erase, record and playback heads as the BX and CR series, including the CR-7. So my Deck 1.5, BX-300 and CR-7 all use the same head mechanisms. Kelvin. > >Brian, > >you must be refering to "Cassette Deck 1" (which was nickamed "Deck 1" by >Nakamichi personel when the unit was in production). Cassette Deck 1 was >replaced by DR-1 which is essentially identical except for cosmetics. Both >decks share the much sought after "Playback Azimuth" feature. Cassette Deck >1 is a very fine deck. Some people don't like what was referred to as the >"Euro" styling. I personally love it and have owned a CD Player 1 which >shares the same styling since it originally came out. By all means, keep on >enjoying your Cassette Deck 1. > >Cheers. > >-Marc > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From martinferreira at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 01:27:37 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:27:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 ( wasHigh ebay prices for CR7E(?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Tue Feb 22 03:21:43 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:21:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 manual Message-ID: <66.51519bbd.2f4bf137@aol.com> I don't know if this is what you need but here goes: frequency response 20hz-20,000hz wow and flutter less than 0.11% wtd peak less than 0.06% wtd rms signal to noise ratio dolby c nr on 70 us zx tape better than 68db 400hz 3% thd ihf a-wtd rms dolby b same except better than 62db total harmonic distortion 1.0% 400hz 0db zx exII / less than 1.2% sx tape erasure better than 60db (100hz, 0db)separation better than 36db (1khz, 0db) cross talk 60db (1khz, 0db) Bias frequency 105 khz Hope this helps, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepieboy at comcast.net Tue Feb 22 05:49:39 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:49:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes Message-ID: <022220050449.21203.421AB9DF000E9A0A000052D3220076370497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Are there any mail-order retailers in the USA that are still selling these at a reasonable price? Thanks for any info! Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi Pablo, > > I read it a while ago in a Who owns Whom list ( also leaned at the same > time that Sony owned Aiwa and Denon is wholly owned by Sanyo!!). > Economically, it is unsurprising, as Korea was a colony of Japan for > many years and the business ties remain strong between the two > countries. > > As for the tapes, I did the following. Firstly the visual. Look at > the SKC tapes and compare them side by side with their Sony > counterparts. Every minute detail is the same. The large dual mould > (oversized window) is the exactly the same, screw types, and typical > Sony-type perforated white hubs. (Bear in miind I'm comparing the > '88/89 Sony series which comprised 5 ES series tapes [ Metal ES, UCX-S, > UC-X, HF-ES and HF-S] with the final SKC ZX/QX - i.e. brown and purple > warpper respectively). > > Then, I did tests using a connection here in this country (RSA) which > tested the ES series Sonys from 1988/9 with the QX and ZX. measurements > were done of Maximum Bass/Mid Level, Max Treble Level MOL/3dB tolerance; > and Dynamic Range calculated from bias noise levels. > > At first, our assumption was that the QX was actually a UC-X. However, > it turned out to read precisely the same as the UCX-S (Low/Mid MOL: > +3.3; Treble MOL: +3.2 and Dynamic Range: 62.2dB. > > Be aware that the later UX-S is a bit more sensitive and has a > different shell. The old UX-Turbo is not quite as bright or tolerant as > the UCX-S but is also not just a UX in wolves clothing!! > > If you are familiar with Sony Metal-ES, great. Otherwise, if more used > to Maxells, then it's more like an MX but with better overload > characteristics and therefore better for pop or jazz without Dolby. Not > as sensitive as a MX-S, and flatter through the spectrum at -20dB. > > What we did not understand is that at the time the SKC tapes as > mentioned above were "new" in the market, Sony had been selling the UX, > UX-Turbo and UX-S models for a couple of years at least. They has also > stopped the manufacture of Metal -ES(or to my observation were not > promoting it much) and had replaced it with Metal-SR, or alternativley, > the much more expensive Metal Master ceramic composite units. > > Ultimately, the thinking was that SKC did not continue with these two > rather nice tapes for long; they probably used what they got in the way > of "raw material" from Somy, sold it and left it at that. > > Enjoy the ZXs Pablo. I'm sure (unless they have led a cruel storage > life) they'll give you a lot of joy. > > Regards, > > Marc > > >>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/20/05 05:44PM >>> > > Hi Mark Hugo: > > Thank you for the info on the SKC metal tapes, following your advise, I > bought 10 SKC metal ZX-90, I hope you know your stuff and this tapes > turn out to be as good as you say they are,by the way where did you get > info on this tapes,I did a search on the web and there is very little > info about these tapes,nothing that says that Sony owns SKC/SKM > Industries in Seoul,or that SKC metal ZX-90 and SKC QX-90 are the same > as Sony metal ES and Sony UCX-S respectively. > > Thank you > > Pablo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes > > > > They are fantastic Pablo - they are the same tape as Sony Metal ES > from > > circa '88-90. Hard to find though - if you have the opportunity to > get > > them, then do so. Remember Sony own SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul, so > > basically, no surprises. Don't hesitate to snap up the QX as well, > as > > they are dead ringers for Sony UCX-S of the same period (just before > > Sony themselves dropped the UC prefix and superseded that one with > the > > UX-S). > > > > Good luck. > > > > Marc > > > >>>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/17/05 05:14AM >>> > > > > Are SKC zx-90 metal tapes any good? > > > > thanks > > > > Pablo > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Feb 22 07:24:24 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:24:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Scratches Message-ID: Bob wrote: Novus is fine for certain applications. Not for surfaces to look through. I used Novus on an iPaq and a portable LCD TV and while they reduced the scratches, the new surface was not perfect and visible at an angle and also while viewing through the surface. The better fix is Crystal Clear which is used on watch crystals and removes the scratches and allow perfect viewing through the material. A product for cleaning glass lenses is Liquid Lens. See http://www.lifeglo.com.au/gallery_info.asp?item=43 It doesn't say if it is for glass or plastic. A seller on Ebay tells me it is OK for plastic. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5560109928 David From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Feb 22 08:00:07 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:00:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1/Marc; Brian Message-ID: Hi all, Nice to see someone on the Quebec videotron server. I too have a Cassette Deck One. It's a brilliant machine - perfect sound and wonderful looks. Marc Hugo >>> audioetc at videotron.qc.ca 02/21/05 05:08PM >>> At 15:53 02/18/2005, you wrote: >I have a nak 1. This deck retailed for $1,000 and, I think, was the last >hi end nak built. I think it sounds great. It never seems to be a >favorite in this group. >Does anybody else like it? > >Brian Brian, you must be refering to "Cassette Deck 1" (which was nickamed "Deck 1" by Nakamichi personel when the unit was in production). Cassette Deck 1 was replaced by DR-1 which is essentially identical except for cosmetics. Both decks share the much sought after "Playback Azimuth" feature. Cassette Deck 1 is a very fine deck. Some people don't like what was referred to as the "Euro" styling. I personally love it and have owned a CD Player 1 which shares the same styling since it originally came out. By all means, keep on enjoying your Cassette Deck 1. Cheers. -Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bhonhoff at dds.nl Tue Feb 22 09:38:33 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:38:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109061513.421aef892efe3@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, A Low End Nak is better than a middle class cassette deck of any other brand! BX-2, followed up by the infamous BX-150 and later the BX-125. Rated on Type I, Type II en Type IV: 20-20.000 Hz. (+/- 3 dB) Signal-Noise : 64 dB. A great deck if (internally) adjusted to the used tape. I own a BX-125 for 20 years and it never let me down. Unlike my Nak 1 (recorder 1) or 480Z. Only be sure that you do not use it with room temperatures below 33 degrees Fahrenheit/ 0 degrees Celsius. ;-) bart Quoting philphb at u.washington.edu: > I recently acquired a BX-2 deck, without a User Manual. The deck doesn't > appear to have any user calibration features such as azimuth or bias > adjustments. Is the BX-2 a (low-end, I know) Nak deck for which the manual is > not essential? (Two forum members kindly answered my recent post asking for > an explanation of the three tape settings.) > > The one performance parameter I wish I knew is this: what is the deck's rated > performance with Type II chrome tape? > > And on the lucre end of things: what was the price for a new BX-2, retail? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Do the SaMBa on Mac OS X! From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 10:25:05 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:25:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 manual References: Message-ID: Dear Philip, you are right, you really not need a user manual for the BX-2 as far as operation is concerned. I have a BX-1 (with manual), I can check it for you if it has any specific to look for, but (if my memory serves well) it has no special features. The only difference between them is the tape counter and Dolby C is added to BX-2. Nakamichi was always famous about that all their machines (even the "lowest" ones) perform reasonably well, you will probably not angry with the results. Be happy with your kind Nak! :-) Best regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 manual >I recently acquired a BX-2 deck, without a User Manual. The deck doesn't >appear to have any user calibration features such as azimuth or bias >adjustments. Is the BX-2 a (low-end, I know) Nak deck for which the manual >is not essential? (Two forum members kindly answered my recent post asking >for an explanation of the three tape settings.) > > The one performance parameter I wish I knew is this: what is the deck's > rated performance with Type II chrome tape? > > And on the lucre end of things: what was the price for a new BX-2, retail? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Feb 22 13:53:08 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:53:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8E3@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <003601c518dd$76c24790$1510a8c0@TG> Any help available for Nak 582Z I need sevice manual for my 582Z which has offen failures. Thanks a lot. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request > No worries, one 480 service manual coming right up! You will receive > several > emails when the files are ready to download, let me know if you have any > troubles. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dmitry [mailto:dimano2 at rambler.ru] > Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 5:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request > > > Hi > Having some repair probs with control part > Just stopped due to the service manual absence > If anyone can upload or e-mail it for me it would be appreciated > > Thanks > > My e-mail > dimano2 at rambler.ru > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Feb 22 22:05:17 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:05:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8E6@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Tayfur, I have the 582 not the 582Z service manual, my guess is that the meters are different and the fact it does not have dolby c. Do you still want a copy? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 11:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request Any help available for Nak 582Z I need sevice manual for my 582Z which has offen failures. Thanks a lot. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request > No worries, one 480 service manual coming right up! You will receive > several > emails when the files are ready to download, let me know if you have any > troubles. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dmitry [mailto:dimano2 at rambler.ru] > Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 5:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request > > > Hi > Having some repair probs with control part > Just stopped due to the service manual absence > If anyone can upload or e-mail it for me it would be appreciated > > Thanks > > My e-mail > dimano2 at rambler.ru > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Feb 22 15:26:19 2005 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:26:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape Message-ID: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D01675E08@ued8.UE.com> nak'rs On an earlier posting someone inquired as to the value of a vcr (or beta) machine for audio recording... i thought it to be an interesting topic that got no response. I would have been interested in what others in the analog world thought of it as it might compare to a fine nakamichi. I've been told that a hi-fi vcr should make excellent audio recordings. Any thoughts or hands on experience with this? jus' sturring the pot, Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corkflor at iol.ie Tue Feb 22 15:26:29 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:26:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 ( wasHigh ebay prices for CR7E(?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Martin wrote: >Alex, check out a CR5 or a CR4 or 3 if your budget is limited. They >too are great machines and parts are still available. There seems to >be a shortage of parts for the ZX-9 but then again you may be lucky >and find one in top condition. Good luck in your search for a NAK. > Thanks Martin. I'll have a look, but I do find the Nak model numbers most confusing. BTW, thanks to all you guys who have been so helpful in answering questions from a potential newbie. I may join the Nak nuts yet......... :-) Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From Craig.jensen at TelosOK.com Tue Feb 22 16:46:53 2005 From: Craig.jensen at TelosOK.com (Jensen, Craig L) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:46:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Lover Message-ID: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C55063648@corpx1.telosok.com> Hi, I'm a new member and first time writer. I have thoroughly enjoyed my Nakamichi stack, bought in the 70s. It includes the Amp, pre-amp, 600 II cassette deck (all in the ski slope style) and a tuner (not the ski slope so it does not fit the stack frame perfectly, but oh well). My 600 II stopped working 8-10 years ago and I recently bought another through e-bay that seems to work fine. I have the original owners manual for both decks but do not have a service manual. If anyone has the service manual in digital format, I would appreciate hearing from them. On my original deck, the capstan and roller seem to work fine but the take-up reel, fast forward, and rewind are not functioning. Places I have checked do not work on the 600 II or 600 because of lack of parts. I am a little handy but with not a lot of experience in putting things together after taking them apart. I would like to hear what your thoughts are on this project. Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Tue Feb 22 20:51:24 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Playback of Dolby HX Pro Message-ID: <10028e080c0d45ef87b1daf3390a8e22.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> I have some pre-recorded tapes labeled HXPRO. My tape decks only have dolby B C . Do I play these tapes with no noise reduction? What exactly is HXPRO , was it only meant for tape decks with HX PRO playback? From arichison at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 21:55:33 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:55:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibrationtoo, interesting. In-Reply-To: <2af5a6b7aa30ffb1e4aa3a3fc154501d@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050222205533.64480.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> wow, someone is gonna get lucky to buy that deck how much american dollars? I am just curious? I have an mr 1 that sounds great, dont understand why others dont agree andre in nak land --- james knowles wrote: > Hi Dean, I own a used DR 10 that I recently > purchased at a pawn shop > for $50.00. Just had it overhauled and it now sounds > excellent. I note > from yours that you have a boxed unit-does it > contain an owners manual? > If so,I would be happy to purchase a copy from you. > Also, does the unit > come with a remote? Please let me know. Thanks, > James Knowles > On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Dean Bauer wrote: > > > Iain, > > If you are set on a DR-10, I have one that is > brand spanking new in its > > original box. Not a fingerprint on it. In fact, > it is still wrapped > > in the > > inner styrofoam sheet. I bought it from a failed > advertizing firm > > that had > > it sitting in their closet collecting dust. I am > keeping it as a > > backup for > > my 480 and 582, but am now thinking of trading up > to a CR-7. > > Let me know if you are interested. > > Dean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iain McGhee" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:38 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX > have manual bias > > calibrationtoo, interesting. > > > > > >> Well well well. > >> > >> Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were > >> available, I meant what I could find worldwide! > In > >> Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must > admit > >> and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak > since > >> getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last > month) > >> is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion > checked > >> before this last months search, and nothing's > really > >> been around. I did manage to track down the (my) > >> RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a > "status" > >> Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of > serious > >> looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. > But > >> the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. > >> > >> There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. > >> > >> There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, > they > >> just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre > ppl > >> said the other day that they service or fix a > Dragon > >> once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people > >> (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at > that > >> rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't > >> mention how many per month of the other high end > Naks > >> they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and > yes - > >> they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( > >> > >> I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds > silly > >> in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all > the > >> parts for it and while it may not be quite the > full > >> '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top > cassette > >> deck for the times - and they can still be bought > NOS > >> or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit > not > >> to the same level as in the 80's, well to me > perhaps > >> something that in 5 years I can just order parts > for > >> if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy > quality > >> cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback > measure > >> to me! > >> > >> Just a thought. > >> > >> Iain. > >> > >> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > >> http://au.movies.yahoo.com > >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > >> ========= > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== I am NOW switching to my new email account. Please write me at: TheAndre at gmail.com Andre Richison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From arichison at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 22:02:33 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:02:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Ooops! Like any Nak, the MR1 is GREAT. In-Reply-To: <20050219140101.98393.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050222210233.44709.qmail@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it is cool, thanks for the kind words, I have to put a bit of money in mine as well, fix a belt if it even has one or a idler, other than that is sounds as good or better than an older 582 or even 682 is a shame this company does not continue to make cassette, they are the leaders world wide, in the usa you can find naks for so so cheap, got mine for hundred usa dollars, yep works fine. records will always be the sound to compare to but the nak is just like it if it was recorded from the vinyl why I love it, andre --- Iain McGhee wrote: > Hey, wasn't meaning to tread on any toes Andre. > I've > never heard an MR-1 - but as a three-head Nak it > should outperform sonically my RX-202E however the > RX-202 has UDAR auto-reverse and AUTO REC STANDBY > which is a GODSEND - all the RX models have UDAR and > the A/R/S feature which cues up the tape ready for > recording after having ffwed through the leader and > a > recording a short blank then goes into rec pause > mode > - doesn't matter how far into the cassette you've > gone > to test and set the recording level it rewinds back > then does its thang. It'd be a tossup between > sonics > and features for me (call me lazy but auto-reverse > is > great when you're not around the system to change > sides - especially when the nifty thing > fast-forwards > through any blank left at the end of the side for > you > automatically! before flipping the tape) I say it > would be a tossup except for this... > > I just had a proper look at the MR1 and I noticed it > has XLR connections only - my late 80's Accuphase > amp > doesn't have balanced inputs. > > I really only meant that none of the SuperNaks (the > prestige Naks) come up for sale in Australia much at > all. I was very lucky to find an RX-505 (the 3 head > RX model) through a classified listing. This was > the > only SuperNak I could track down for sale in > Australia. > > There is a Dragon for sale in New Zealand for the > unholy price of $2500 NZ (about $2200 AU or $1700 > US) > - but I have to say it's in impeccable condition - > original owner sale who is a sound engineer and > technician, did all the maintenance himself, no > scratches or marks or wear anywhere - the only other > Dragon I have seen in such good shape had never been > used just the box opened once. But still, OWIE at > that price. > > I was merely using the MR1 as an example of the > best > Nak other than my RX-202 I had seen on Australian > Ebay > since I got that unit in Nov '03. Possibly better > has > been on - I wasn't checking weekly but every 3-6 > weeks > I did out of curiousity and none of the big gun Naks > seemed to appear - no slight on the MR1 AT ALL - we > are talking about the company whose 2 head machines > outperformed most of the competitions 3-headers. > Sonically your MR1 should be superior to the RX-202 > being a 3-head deck, and considering I love the > sonics > just of the 2 headers, what you have is no slouch at > all. But I wanted as good as (or as close to that) > as > it gets in Nakdom sonically, so a status Nak is what > I > was after. Had to pay like 3x what I paid for the > 202 > though. Think that MR1 I saw went for a similar > price > to what my 202 did or a bit less. (the RX-202 and > RX-303 weren't cheap new despite being 2 headers > 'cos > of all the groovy features in them) > > Cheers! > > Iain McGhee > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== I am NOW switching to my new email account. Please write me at: TheAndre at gmail.com Andre Richison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From arichison at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 22:09:44 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX In-Reply-To: <20050219031855.35821.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050222210945.71502.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have heard of people recordin without dolby or anything, no dbx nothing but the 70pu button for good tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much louder dynamic etc,, what do you think? --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Yes, it makes a difference which is selected during > recording. The > tape types have vastly different bias settings from > each other > (especially metal) and slightly different level > settings. I bought a > bunch of MR-1's that were all modified and > calibrated for two types > of chrome, type-II tapes (BASF and TDK) and for > Type-I. They changed > a few resistors in the bias level circuit for > Type-IV so that it > would calibrated for a Type-II tape. Interesting, > but, I just had to > modify it back to stock. > > During playback the ZX/SX/EX switch doesn't matter. > Only the 70/120 > uS button is used during both record and playback > (or is it used > during playback only? I'll have to check the > schematics to be > absolutely sure). > > Scott J. > > --- Phil Benedict > wrote: > > > What do these three tape types mean? Is one of > them for Type II 70 > > usec > > tapes (e.g., TDK SA90 tape)? Does it make any > difference which one > > is > > selected when I record? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn > more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== I am NOW switching to my new email account. Please write me at: TheAndre at gmail.com Andre Richison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Feb 22 23:52:47 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:52:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8E7@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Just quickly on this topic. I have tons of hifi vcr mostly VHS and one beta and the sound is fantastic but does emmit a small buzzing sound on certain frequencies. Try recording a telephone bell ringing and listen to the subtle buzz sound on the recording. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Dundis, Andy [mailto:Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 1:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape nak'rs On an earlier posting someone inquired as to the value of a vcr (or beta) machine for audio recording... i thought it to be an interesting topic that got no response. I would have been interested in what others in the analog world thought of it as it might compare to a fine nakamichi. I've been told that a hi-fi vcr should make excellent audio recordings. Any thoughts or hands on experience with this? jus' sturring the pot, Andy Come see Utility Engineering at Electric Power 2005 April 5-7, 2005 at McCormick Place in Chicago, IL - Booth 1004. To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an e-mail to electricpower at ue-corp.com Include "Electric Power Tickets" in the subject. _____ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Feb 22 22:43:52 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:43:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Playback of Dolby HX Pro In-Reply-To: <10028e080c0d45ef87b1daf3390a8e22.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> from "gilbertparts@pwaccess.com" at Feb 22, 2005 11:51:24 AM Message-ID: <20050222214352.B9E42252B1@smtp.amb.org> gilbertparts at pwaccess.com writes: > I have some pre-recorded tapes labeled HXPRO. My tape decks only have dolby B C . Do I play these tapes with no noise reduction? What exactly is HXPRO , was it only meant for tape decks with HX PRO playback? HX Pro is a "headroom extension" circuit that dynamically varies the bias level during recording only. It is not a noise reduction system There is nothing you need to do to "decode" an HX-Pro recorded tape. Play back with the same Dolby B or C setting as it was recorded with. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 23:24:14 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:24:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Playback of Dolby HX Pro Message-ID: <20050222222414.85054.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> HXPRO is a recording thing. No special equipment is needed for playback. Nak never had a deck with it because they didnt. HX stands for headroom extension. --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: > I have some pre-recorded tapes labeled HXPRO. My tape decks only have dolby B C . Do I play these tapes with no noise reduction? What exactly is HXPRO , was it only meant for tape decks with HX PRO playback? > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 22 23:45:09 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:45:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX In-Reply-To: <20050222210945.71502.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c51930$29308f20$77e44c51@oemcomputer> I don't think you necessarily get netter dynamics but it can be clearer sound because you use a much shorter signal path and the signal itself is less processed. The downside, however, is that tape noise (hiss) is louder. That seems less of a problem with Nak's than many other decks because Naks seem to more readily accept higher recording levels. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Andre Richison > Sent: 22 February 2005 21:10 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX > > > I have heard of people recordin without dolby or > anything, no dbx nothing but the 70pu button for good > tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much > louder dynamic etc,, > what do you think? > > > From dbauer45 at comcast.net Tue Feb 22 23:50:02 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:50:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual biascalibrationtoo, interesting. References: <20050222205533.64480.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c51930$d85d87a0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Andre, I do not know how much in dollars the market will support, but as I said, it truely is new. The DR-10 does not come with a remote, however, if you have a similar vintage Nak component (receiver, I assume) you can connect the two through a remote control port on the back and use the remote from the other component to control the deck. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Richison" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual biascalibrationtoo, interesting. > wow, > someone is gonna get lucky to buy that deck > how much american dollars? > I am just curious? > I have an mr 1 that sounds great, dont understand why > others dont agree > andre in nak land > --- james knowles wrote: > > > Hi Dean, I own a used DR 10 that I recently > > purchased at a pawn shop > > for $50.00. Just had it overhauled and it now sounds > > excellent. I note > > from yours that you have a boxed unit-does it > > contain an owners manual? > > If so,I would be happy to purchase a copy from you. > > Also, does the unit > > come with a remote? Please let me know. Thanks, > > James Knowles > > On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Dean Bauer wrote: > > > > > Iain, > > > If you are set on a DR-10, I have one that is > > brand spanking new in its > > > original box. Not a fingerprint on it. In fact, > > it is still wrapped > > > in the > > > inner styrofoam sheet. I bought it from a failed > > advertizing firm > > > that had > > > it sitting in their closet collecting dust. I am > > keeping it as a > > > backup for > > > my 480 and 582, but am now thinking of trading up > > to a CR-7. > > > Let me know if you are interested. > > > Dean > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Iain McGhee" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:38 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX > > have manual bias > > > calibrationtoo, interesting. > > > > > > > > >> Well well well. > > >> > > >> Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were > > >> available, I meant what I could find worldwide! > > In > > >> Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must > > admit > > >> and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak > > since > > >> getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last > > month) > > >> is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion > > checked > > >> before this last months search, and nothing's > > really > > >> been around. I did manage to track down the (my) > > >> RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a > > "status" > > >> Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of > > serious > > >> looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. > > But > > >> the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. > > >> > > >> There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. > > >> > > >> There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, > > they > > >> just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre > > ppl > > >> said the other day that they service or fix a > > Dragon > > >> once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people > > >> (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at > > that > > >> rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't > > >> mention how many per month of the other high end > > Naks > > >> they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and > > yes - > > >> they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( > > >> > > >> I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds > > silly > > >> in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all > > the > > >> parts for it and while it may not be quite the > > full > > >> '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top > > cassette > > >> deck for the times - and they can still be bought > > NOS > > >> or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit > > not > > >> to the same level as in the 80's, well to me > > perhaps > > >> something that in 5 years I can just order parts > > for > > >> if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy > > quality > > >> cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback > > measure > > >> to me! > > >> > > >> Just a thought. > > >> > > >> Iain. > > >> > > >> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > > Movies. > > >> http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > >> > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> ========= > > >> Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> ========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> ========= > > > > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ===== > I am NOW switching to my new email account. > Please write me at: > > TheAndre at gmail.com > > Andre Richison > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Wed Feb 23 00:53:39 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:53:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Playback of Dolby HX Pro In-Reply-To: <10028e080c0d45ef87b1daf3390a8e22.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> References: <10028e080c0d45ef87b1daf3390a8e22.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222183641.0268bfd0@pop.videotron.ca> At 14:51 02/22/2005, you wrote: > I have some pre-recorded tapes labeled HXPRO. My tape decks only have > dolby B C . Do I play these tapes with no noise reduction? What exactly > is HXPRO , was it only meant for tape decks with HX PRO playback? HX Pro circuitry is not active at all during playback. HX Pro is a circuit that dynamically adjusts bias while recording to take advantage of the fact that the audio signal carries some bias by itself. In other words, the louder the audio signal, the less bias you actually need. Reducing bias helps improve high frequency response. Nakamichi always refused to use HX Pro claiming that it is a band-aid fix for improprer record head design and that it increases distortion in the recording. As far as playing back your HX Pro tapes, they should be played using Dolby B or C depending on actual encoding. If they are commercial releases and there is no mention of Dolby B or C, you can safely bet they are Dolby B. I hope this helps. Regards, (the other) Marc From jknows1 at mac.com Wed Feb 23 01:03:13 2005 From: jknows1 at mac.com (james knowles) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:03:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX have manual bias calibrationtoo, interesting. In-Reply-To: <20050222205533.64480.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050222205533.64480.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Andre, I have a collection of salsa tapes and African/South American music and LP's from the 60's and 70's and and wanted to transfer them for protection to a digital format onto my Mac. I searched for the best playback and recording methods and of course-the Nak came up in spades and expensive. I started to look around NYC to see was what was out there on the cheap or expensive. I visited J&R and priced some of the Sony's and other available decks. All of the units they were retailing had two sides, weighed several ounces and cost a minimum $150.00. There are some pawn shops nearby and I checked one out for gp's and saw a stack of cassette recorders-must have been six or seven on top of each other. The DR10 was on the bottom holding all the others up. Of course, I could not believe the price of $50.00 tacked onto the unit, so I went back to the Internet and did some more research on the unit. Suffice to say that I went back and bought it-quickly. Anyway, I took it to AnaLogiQue in Manhattan for a tune-up that cost $300. That is the story of this particular Nak deck. I am looking forward to the playbacks and maybe even recording new tapes. James. On Feb 22, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Andre Richison wrote: > wow, > someone is gonna get lucky to buy that deck > how much american dollars? > I am just curious? > I have an mr 1 that sounds great, dont understand why > others dont agree > andre in nak land > --- james knowles wrote: > >> Hi Dean, I own a used DR 10 that I recently >> purchased at a pawn shop >> for $50.00. Just had it overhauled and it now sounds >> excellent. I note >> from yours that you have a boxed unit-does it >> contain an owners manual? >> If so,I would be happy to purchase a copy from you. >> Also, does the unit >> come with a remote? Please let me know. Thanks, >> James Knowles >> On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Dean Bauer wrote: >> >>> Iain, >>> If you are set on a DR-10, I have one that is >> brand spanking new in its >>> original box. Not a fingerprint on it. In fact, >> it is still wrapped >>> in the >>> inner styrofoam sheet. I bought it from a failed >> advertizing firm >>> that had >>> it sitting in their closet collecting dust. I am >> keeping it as a >>> backup for >>> my 480 and 582, but am now thinking of trading up >> to a CR-7. >>> Let me know if you are interested. >>> Dean >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Iain McGhee" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:38 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm - the 681ZX and 682 ZX >> have manual bias >>> calibrationtoo, interesting. >>> >>> >>>> Well well well. >>>> >>>> Oh, Marc - when I said that those units were >>>> available, I meant what I could find worldwide! >> In >>>> Australia all I've seen (mainly on Ebay I must >> admit >>>> and also I haven't been looking for a better Nak >> since >>>> getting the RX-202E in Nov '03 until the last >> month) >>>> is at best an MR1. I have on the odd occasion >> checked >>>> before this last months search, and nothing's >> really >>>> been around. I did manage to track down the (my) >>>> RX-505 within 24 hours of DECIDING to buy a >> "status" >>>> Nak, but this was after a couple of weeks of >> serious >>>> looking and deciding whether to Nakobsess or not. >> But >>>> the RX-505 is all (! listen to me, all) I found. >>>> >>>> There seems to be a lot of BX series Naks here. >>>> >>>> There is a pool of high-end Naks in Australia, >> they >>>> just aren't being sold. My Nak service centre >> ppl >>>> said the other day that they service or fix a >> Dragon >>>> once a month, in a city of 3.5 million people >>>> (Melbourne) one would say that there must be at >> that >>>> rate at least a few hundred here, and he didn't >>>> mention how many per month of the other high end >> Naks >>>> they serviced/fixed, so add them to the pool and >> yes - >>>> they are around, but no-one is really selling :-( >>>> >>>> I'm thinking of buying a DR-10 y'know - sounds >> silly >>>> in a way but Nakamichi still fully support all >> the >>>> parts for it and while it may not be quite the >> full >>>> '80's SuperNak experience the DR-10 was a top >> cassette >>>> deck for the times - and they can still be bought >> NOS >>>> or used cheaply, still have the Nak sound albeit >> not >>>> to the same level as in the 80's, well to me >> perhaps >>>> something that in 5 years I can just order parts >> for >>>> if needed at standard prices and lets me enjoy >> quality >>>> cassette sound...it seems like a good fallback >> measure >>>> to me! >>>> >>>> Just a thought. >>>> >>>> Iain. >>>> >>>> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! >> Movies. >>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com >>>> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >>> >>> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> > > > ===== > I am NOW switching to my new email account. > Please write me at: > > TheAndre at gmail.com > > Andre Richison > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Wed Feb 23 01:28:37 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:28:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape Message-ID: <9472fa400e584999a5dd9521c0ee719e.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- I would think they out perform many consumer tape decks. I don't see replacing a three head NAK with adjustable bias with my VCR though. What drives me crazy is that you can still buy metal TDK or Maxell tape for your VCR but not your cassette deck. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Dundis, Andy [mailto:Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com] Sent: 2/22/2005 6:26:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape nak'rs On an earlier posting someone inquired as to the value of a vcr (or beta) machine for audio recording... i thought it to be an interesting topic that got no response. I would have been interested in what others in the analog world thought of it as it might compare to a fine nakamichi. I've been told that a hi-fi vcr should make excellent audio recordings. Any thoughts or hands on experience with this? jus' sturring the pot, Andy Come see Utility Engineering at Electric Power 2005 April 5-7, 2005 at McCormick Place in Chicago, IL - Booth 1004 . To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an e-mail to [mailto:electricpower at ue-corp.com]electricpower at ue-corp.com Include "Electric Power Tickets" in the subject. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 05:33:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:33:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer In-Reply-To: <4217A375.5050104@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050223043327.72575.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Thats warm news! Running a self made Athlon also running FC3. Linux is so much like Naks. A little harder to get it working, but when it does, its sheer joy Regards Bala ijke wrote: The Old Naks.com ran on a P200 running Redhat 6.2 Linux... Naks.com now is based on a dual cpu Dell Poweredge 4300/800 running Fedora Core 3. This Dell is a recent 'classic' 50 kg beast, Nak worthy with it's triple power supplies.. i love it! 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URL: From christopher.winter at siemens.com Wed Feb 23 07:52:33 2005 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:52:33 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA1864CA@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Some years ago (when my VCRs were all up and "healthy") I also made a lot of recordings via VHS VCR (I used a mitsubishi HS-E70 S-VHS model with amorphous heads, so not that bad at all) and I've found that this flavour of analogue recording has quite as much pro's as it has con's. Now I have two of those HS-E70 (one with serial # 6), the second one for spares since they are nearly the same age as my Nakamichi decks and are also built to last - the heads, despite the extreme usage, are in a superb state. The humming sound which Tom noticed is the so called "head switching noise" which was barely audible on a friends' panasonic recorders and was quite present on my mitsubishi. To my knowledge, this will always be present due to the concept, but depends on the manufacturer and possible more on alignment issues. Remember that a video tape always gets recorded by TWO heads which take over at the edge of the video tape, which is OK for images (each one processes a half image), but not for sound. Also, the switching noise greatly varies with the music's spectrum, so I came to the conclusion, that even if those machines are designated as "HIFI" - the aren't really. The problem lies in the frequency modulation (FM) which is used for HIFI-recording, where there is always a small phase-jump when overtaking happens between the heads. Well - frequency response is OK (20 Hz to 20 kHz) and signal-to-noise is also well (some way beyond 68 dB) - but any of my Nakamichi BX's can catch that. What they were very good for, were long running programs (since I'm from germany in the Frankfurt area, there have been the HR3 Hit-Containers that ran for about 24 consecutive hours and it was really impossible to catch all the good music without having them prerecorded). In those days they played the songs COMPLETELY. So I used 3 TDK 240 Hifi-Cassettes and recorded in long-play (I checked that this made no significant difference to SP) - I'd describe the sound as "some sort of HIFI", easyly beaten by my good old BX-100 (not that well calibrated). Also fine were recordings, where you have been able to catch a simulaneous program from the radio to improve the sometimes poor tv sound-channel. Just my two cents... Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Thomas Siomopoulos Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2005 23:53 An: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Betreff: RE: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape Just quickly on this topic. I have tons of hifi vcr mostly VHS and one beta and the sound is fantastic but does emmit a small buzzing sound on certain frequencies. Try recording a telephone bell ringing and listen to the subtle buzz sound on the recording. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Dundis, Andy [mailto:Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 1:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape nak'rs On an earlier posting someone inquired as to the value of a vcr (or beta) machine for audio recording... i thought it to be an interesting topic that got no response. I would have been interested in what others in the analog world thought of it as it might compare to a fine nakamichi. I've been told that a hi-fi vcr should make excellent audio recordings. Any thoughts or hands on experience with this? jus' sturring the pot, Andy Come see Utility Engineering at Electric Power 2005 April 5-7, 2005 at McCormick Place in Chicago, IL - Booth 1004. To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an e-mail to electricpower at ue-corp.com Include "Electric Power Tickets" in the subject. _____ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Tom From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 23 11:04:33 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:04:33 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] THANKS TOM FOR CR-7A OWNER'S MANUAL Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F2@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> No worries Ali, my pleasure. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] THANKS TOM FOR CR-7A OWNER'S MANUAL HI Tom, Thanks for being so nice and taking the time send the manual for the CR7A which was greatly appreciated!:) With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Wed Feb 23 09:20:02 2005 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:20:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 Message-ID: <002b01c51980$793a4f60$0200a8c0@lan> Dear Nakkers, I asked about these NAK amplifiers 14th February but no reply at all. I want to buy them once, I do have their prospects, but, can anyone tell me, if he/she likes them? Shortcomings, pro's en contra's? Tnx Johan ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 23 10:15:43 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:15:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape Message-ID: HI Andy, I tried this a couple of years ago with a number of nice HI-Fi VCRs. Theoretically, they should turn in a fine audio performance with the advantage of many hours of uninterrupted music. In practice, while quite dynamic, they are not as good sounding as good cassette decks. I have used a couple of machines, a Sony 8-Head Hi-Fi Nicam Multi-System machine. It was OK. My regular Sansui VHR-4500 is pretty consistent and sounds much the same. The early Hi-Fi standard JVCs were touted to be the best in the regard. A friend had one of those and I have heard that in the music role on several occasions too. But it was not especially better. They all have a definable "quack" in the midrange-upper midrange. They have the dynamics, certainly, but I don't think they sound that clean. That's just an opinion based on real world experience versus spec sheets. Marc >>> Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com 02/22/05 04:26PM >>> nak'rs On an earlier posting someone inquired as to the value of a vcr (or beta) machine for audio recording... i thought it to be an interesting topic that got no response. I would have been interested in what others in the analog world thought of it as it might compare to a fine nakamichi. I've been told that a hi-fi vcr should make excellent audio recordings. Any thoughts or hands on experience with this? jus' sturring the pot, Andy The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From dbauer45 at comcast.net Wed Feb 23 10:34:31 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:34:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Oscillator Question References: <20050220113640.7EE65252BD@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <001101c5198a$e0c5fc60$c801a8c0@cn593434a> For the group, a brief tale of woe, but little intrigue. Please comment on whether I am on the right track with this. One and a half years ago, my beloved 480 stopped erasing when in record mode, but mechanically it is quite sound. The deck will not erase a pre-recorded tape and what little it can record onto a blank tape is very low in signal level and almost all distortion. I took it to David-Mann Audio in Philadelphia for repair, the same shop where I originally purchased it about a hundred years ago. The service guy (same guy who sold it to me) said it would take a long while until they got to it, but that it was easy to fix. I called a few times to inquire and they promised to get to it and to be patient. Last weekend with patience fully expired, I picked it up. Sadly, it's still not fixed. Such is the state of some repair shops. The lip service was however of quite good quality. The good news is that I have had a long time to read tons of tremendous advice here on naktalk and I have just enough knowledge about electronics to be dangerous, which means I have a little soldering iron and a schematic, but no test equipment. I think that the most likely cause for the 480's symptoms is orange cap disease at the bias oscillator circuit, and I just recently benefited from a 480 service manual download. I have ordered a few 5% tolerance Wima Mixed Film Capacitors of the correct capacitance of course. Replacing the orange caps with these new ones should fix the problem. Correct??? After replacing them, are there any adjustments to be made? Please let me know if I'm barking up the wrong tree here. And of course, if I totally screw it up, you may see a silver 480 on ebay for parts. Thanks for any help and I must say here that the Marathon Tapes have been a tremendous addition to the collection. Great job guys. Enjoy the music! Dean > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Feb 23 10:40:07 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:40:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8E6@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <001c01c5198b$a931aa00$1510a8c0@TG> Yes Tom, want it all. You can send any size of files direct to my email so appreciate better scanned pages if possible. Thank you very much for your valuable help. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request > Tayfur, I have the 582 not the 582Z service manual, my guess is that the > meters are different and the fact it does not have dolby c. Do you still > want a copy? > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] > Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 11:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request > > > Any help available for Nak 582Z > > I need sevice manual for my 582Z which has offen failures. > Thanks a lot. > Tayfur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:39 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request > > >> No worries, one 480 service manual coming right up! You will receive >> several >> emails when the files are ready to download, let me know if you have any >> troubles. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dmitry [mailto:dimano2 at rambler.ru] >> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 5:25 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request >> >> >> Hi >> Having some repair probs with control part >> Just stopped due to the service manual absence >> If anyone can upload or e-mail it for me it would be appreciated >> >> Thanks >> >> My e-mail >> dimano2 at rambler.ru >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From daveharris at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 23 12:03:51 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:03:51 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Scratches (and Other Stuff) Message-ID: <015001c51997$5bfeaba0$4d5c65da@vurt> Hi Nakkers Speaking of Scratches does anyone no a way of touching up scratches in black anodised aluminium (My BX-150 has been scraped at the top front and could do with a tidy up) Also Does any one have a scan of Pioneer CT-A7 service manual. particularly alignment instructions; I have the circuit diagram have replaced the belts and a few dodgy joints and it is running very well but I would like to set it up properly. Have found a great site with excellent articles on (dare I say it ) digital recording very intresting stuff at --www.johnvestman.com Check it out One more thing does anyone know a Nak service place in the South Island of New Zealand. I wrote to the New Zealand Nak agents for some parts and got the incredulous reply " But that desk's 20 years old... Cheers dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 21/02/2005 From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Feb 23 13:25:39 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:25:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 question In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F1@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F1@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <421C7643.8090402@cox.net> Now that's an odd one. In standard playback, when you hit 'play', do you also get a short burst of sound before total silence? If so, I'd suspect the bias oscillator is stuck on and is erasing the tapes. Tim Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >Howdy all. Just purchased a 582 from e-bay and it has a fault with it. This >is what the seller stated in the auction... > > "it records fine, and monitors back while recording, but there is no >playback in standard play mode....very strange - at first I thought I had a >blank cassette, but when i hit record, there was a little burst of music >that came before the tone I was recording played back. (The lag between the >rec and play heads....)" > > What do you think it could be, any input would be great. > > Cheers, > > Tom >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 23 15:38:07 2005 From: rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Perrie) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:38:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II at last!!!!! Message-ID: <000b01c519b5$4a139720$ca244f51@pc1> Way back in the mists of time (1975 to be precise) I was fortunate enough to be manager of a Hi-Fi store in the UK. My wages at the time was £35 weekly (£1820 per annum). This equates to approximately £14,560 today. I remember selling Nakamichi 700's to some of my customers, mostly bank managers, doctors etc. I knew I could never afford to own one myself, being the equivalent of 3.5 months wages! The years passed and in 1986 I managed to buy my first Nakamichi, a BX125 which I still own (it's had the gear upgrade done), but deep in my mind I still wanted a 700. Wow, disbelief, still working in the hi-fi industry, in 1987 I was given a 700 which had been dropped and had playback problems. I intended to fix it one day, but as often happens I never got around to doing it. I stored it in my brother's attic for a while in 1991 and while out of the country his house was demolished with the 700 still in the attic. Goodbye 700. This weekend just passed I bought a 700 II on eBay. At Last!!!!!! Playback is definitely superior to the BX125 and the heads look to be in good clean condition. The only obvious problem is speed stability, intermittent. I've opened it up and suspect the belts are a bit stretched. Now here's the crunch.....I don't want to start pulling the machine apart without proper recourse to a service manual. Does anyone have one (or a photocopy) available for sale? I live in the UK but could pay if necessary in $US. Sorry this is so long but you just don't appreciate how honoured I feel to have finally joined the "elite" club that is the Vintage Classic Nakamichi Owners Club. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 15:42:01 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:42:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer Message-ID: Shalom Bala! Explainto me...in an a very simple way...the "MOST" important "WHY"...it's better that my today in use XP-Pro today updated with ALL Microsoft securities?????? For a Idiot on Computers like myself...(Sorry...It's true!). Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:33:27 -0800 (PST) > >Thats warm news! Running a self made Athlon also running FC3. Linux is so >much like Naks. A little harder to get it working, but when it does, its >sheer joy > >Regards >Bala > >ijke wrote: >The Old Naks.com ran on a P200 running Redhat 6.2 Linux... >Naks.com now is based on a dual cpu Dell Poweredge 4300/800 running >Fedora Core 3. This Dell is a recent 'classic' 50 kg beast, Nak worthy >with it's triple power supplies.. i love it! > >Wouter > >Ti Kan wrote: > > >Jerry writes: > > > > > >>LINUX- Power Of The Penguin ( who > >>needs windows or gates when the future is open?)! > >> > >> > > > >:) Using Linux here! > > > >-Ti > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 15:54:01 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:54:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX Message-ID: Shalom Scott! >During playback the ZX/SX/EX switch doesn't matter. > > Only the 70/120 > > uS button is used during both record and playback > > (or is it used > > during playback only? I'll have to check the > > schematics to be > > absolutely sure). It's use ALL THE TIME...however you can "ADD" more brilliance to any type 2/4 series cassettes using the 120 equs when you recorded a SZ or ZX type cassette...however the SX or ZX switch MUST be ENABLE! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: Andre Richison >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:09:44 -0800 >(PST) > >I have heard of people recordin without dolby or >anything, no dbx nothing but the 70pu button for good >tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much >louder dynamic etc,, >what do you think? > >--- Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Yes, it makes a difference which is selected during > > recording. The > > tape types have vastly different bias settings from > > each other > > (especially metal) and slightly different level > > settings. I bought a > > bunch of MR-1's that were all modified and > > calibrated for two types > > of chrome, type-II tapes (BASF and TDK) and for > > Type-I. They changed > > a few resistors in the bias level circuit for > > Type-IV so that it > > would calibrated for a Type-II tape. Interesting, > > but, I just had to > > modify it back to stock. > > > > During playback the ZX/SX/EX switch doesn't matter. > > Only the 70/120 > > uS button is used during both record and playback > > (or is it used > > during playback only? I'll have to check the > > schematics to be > > absolutely sure). > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Phil Benedict > > wrote: > > > > > What do these three tape types mean? Is one of > > them for Type II 70 > > > usec > > > tapes (e.g., TDK SA90 tape)? Does it make any > > difference which one > > > is > > > selected when I record? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn > > more. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >===== >I am NOW switching to my new email account. >Please write me at: > >TheAndre at gmail.com > >Andre Richison > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From baynett at optonline.net Wed Feb 23 16:46:52 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:46:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Questions Message-ID: <421CA56C.1020607@optonline.net> Which remotes work with the MR-1? Do mics plugged into the MR-1 need to be battery powered or can a shure sm-57 condenser mic with xlr to 1/4" adapter cord be used without preamplification? Thanks. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 20:12:22 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:12:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Bias Oscillator Question In-Reply-To: <001101c5198a$e0c5fc60$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: <20050223191222.47652.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dean you can read about this Orange Cap problem with particular refrence to 480 Bias Oscillator in Naks.com ( Please visit http://support.naks.com/orange/ ) You may have to also replace two or three transistors and a resistor as well. I am sure that the 480 will get back to recording without any problem after the replacement. kannan Dean Bauer wrote: For the group, a brief tale of woe, but little intrigue. Please comment on whether I am on the right track with this. One and a half years ago, my beloved 480 stopped erasing when in record mode, but mechanically it is quite sound. The deck will not erase a pre-recorded tape and what little it can record onto a blank tape is very low in signal level and almost all distortion. I took it to David-Mann Audio in Philadelphia for repair, the same shop where I originally purchased it about a hundred years ago. The service guy (same guy who sold it to me) said it would take a long while until they got to it, but that it was easy to fix. I called a few times to inquire and they promised to get to it and to be patient. Last weekend with patience fully expired, I picked it up. Sadly, it's still not fixed. Such is the state of some repair shops. The lip service was however of quite good quality. The good news is that I have had a long time to read tons of tremendous advice here on naktalk and I have just enough knowledge about electronics to be dangerous, which means I have a little soldering iron and a schematic, but no test equipment. I think that the most likely cause for the 480's symptoms is orange cap disease at the bias oscillator circuit, and I just recently benefited from a 480 service manual download. I have ordered a few 5% tolerance Wima Mixed Film Capacitors of the correct capacitance of course. Replacing the orange caps with these new ones should fix the problem. Correct??? After replacing them, are there any adjustments to be made? Please let me know if I'm barking up the wrong tree here. And of course, if I totally screw it up, you may see a silver 480 on ebay for parts. Thanks for any help and I must say here that the Marathon Tapes have been a tremendous addition to the collection. Great job guys. Enjoy the music! Dean > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 21:59:53 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 question In-Reply-To: <421C7643.8090402@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050223205954.54166.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> The particular 582 has a blown light bulb in the motion sensor - you have to remove the front plate to see a belt connecting a circular wheel with regular holes -with one side light bulb and the other side a sensor. If this bulb is blown - you will not hear a thing in monitor set on Tape position while you can hear if the monitor is in Source position - just replace the bulb or replace it with about 2K or more resistor . your problem will be gone! kannan Tim Barrett wrote: Now that's an odd one. In standard playback, when you hit 'play', do you also get a short burst of sound before total silence? If so, I'd suspect the bias oscillator is stuck on and is erasing the tapes. Tim Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >Howdy all. Just purchased a 582 from e-bay and it has a fault with it. This >is what the seller stated in the auction... > > "it records fine, and monitors back while recording, but there is no >playback in standard play mode....very strange - at first I thought I had a >blank cassette, but when i hit record, there was a little burst of music >that came before the tone I was recording played back. (The lag between the >rec and play heads....)" > > What do you think it could be, any input would be great. > > Cheers, > > Tom >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 23 22:33:03 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:33:03 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F3@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> There're on their way. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 8:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request Yes Tom, want it all. You can send any size of files direct to my email so appreciate better scanned pages if possible. Thank you very much for your valuable help. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request > Tayfur, I have the 582 not the 582Z service manual, my guess is that the > meters are different and the fact it does not have dolby c. Do you still > want a copy? > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] > Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 11:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request > > > Any help available for Nak 582Z > > I need sevice manual for my 582Z which has offen failures. > Thanks a lot. > Tayfur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:39 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request > > >> No worries, one 480 service manual coming right up! You will receive >> several >> emails when the files are ready to download, let me know if you have any >> troubles. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dmitry [mailto:dimano2 at rambler.ru] >> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 5:25 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 service manual request >> >> >> Hi >> Having some repair probs with control part >> Just stopped due to the service manual absence >> If anyone can upload or e-mail it for me it would be appreciated >> >> Thanks >> >> My e-mail >> dimano2 at rambler.ru >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cestmoi at att.net Wed Feb 23 19:34:33 2005 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:34:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Questions In-Reply-To: <421CA56C.1020607@optonline.net> References: <421CA56C.1020607@optonline.net> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050223112808.01e63ec0@postoffice.att.net> The remote control is Nakamichi RM-5. As far as I can tell, the MR-1, despite its XLR inputs and outputs, does not have microphone preamplifiers. Especially because the SM-57 tends to have such a low output, I think it's safe to assume you will need separate preamps. By the way, the SM-57 is a dynamic - not a condenser - microphone, and even condenser mics with batteries require preamplification. Hope this helps, Richard At 08:46 AM 2/23/2005, you wrote: >Which remotes work with the MR-1? Do mics plugged into the MR-1 need to >be battery powered or can a shure sm-57 condenser mic with xlr to 1/4" >adapter cord be used without preamplification? Thanks. From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed Feb 23 19:45:59 2005 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:45:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 References: <002b01c51980$793a4f60$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <001a01c519d7$ead07440$48f66391@mach1> Hi Johan, Very good choice . I have bought a few years ago the Pre-amp ca5-e and the Pa5-e and i love them both. The only thing i can mentioned is the temperature of the pa5-e. This part will go hot but this is normal. The sound is very good but me is told to choose for the ca5-e instead of the ca7-e. It sounds better. And this serie sounds also better the the II version. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Berserik, J.E. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 Dear Nakkers, I asked about these NAK amplifiers 14th February but no reply at all. I want to buy them once, I do have their prospects, but, can anyone tell me, if he/she likes them? Shortcomings, pro's en contra's? Tnx Johan ***************************************** Johan E. 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URL: From jberger at well.com Wed Feb 23 19:50:39 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:50:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: re [naktalk] 582 question In-Reply-To: <200502231100.j1NB0OIh030260@zxe.naks.com> References: <200502231100.j1NB0OIh030260@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: It might be something as simple as a burned out light bulb. The bulb is the green light behind the "play" button; if this burns out, the deck will mute the playback output. It works to monitor recording because the red light behind "rec" is also lit at that time. Stupid design, in my opinion, but that's a fairly likely cause (and it happened to my 582 some years back...) John Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:59:26 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: [naktalk] 582 question To: "'Naktalk mail list (E-mail)'" Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F1 at mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Howdy all. Just purchased a 582 from e-bay and it has a fault with it. This is what the seller stated in the auction... "it records fine, and monitors back while recording, but there is no playback in standard play mode....very strange - at first I thought I had a blank cassette, but when i hit record, there was a little burst of music that came before the tone I was recording played back. (The lag between the rec and play heads....)" What do you think it could be, any input would be great. Cheers, Tom From wdrewes at iafrica.co.za Wed Feb 23 20:17:32 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.co.za (drewes) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:17:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL woes Message-ID: <001f01c519dc$53cab420$44d317c4@home> I have a 1000ZXL that was bought at a very reasonable price.Unfortunately on Tape Playback the thing crackled very noisily.I proceeded to import from the USA 5% tolerance capacitors and all orange capacitors were replaced (except for three of them).(all of 43 of them were replaced! )When the old dame was switched on all the beautifull lights came on and it played a tape with such transparancy and accuracy that I have not heard on my Dragons or CR7's.The bass and trebles were unbelievable. A truely wonderfull sound! The meters all do their responsive movements---its a beauty to behold! However after some 20 minutes or so she started her crackling again which got worse and worse.We played through earphones with the same result.So we tried recording--boy was she good at recording crackles! In this instance the VU meters started to join the crackling in fairly precise unison.In a state of depression after the comedown from the beautifull sound,she was switched off and left for the night. The next day a tape was inserted and again the beautifull sound came forth---but again developing crackling after warming up! Other than telling me to throw her away,can anyone please tell me were does one start? If the machine can just be made to playback correctly it is worthwhile keeping because of the wonderfull playback sound! (even though the A.B.L.E. seems to have died some time ago. That section is COMPLETELY dead and inert!) Another anoying problem she has got is that one of the output levers makes no impression on the output for that channel and the respective light for it does not come on either. Maybe some of you will be so kind as to point the repair in the right direction? regards Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg56322 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 20:27:39 2005 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:27:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: NAKs vs Video tape In-Reply-To: <200502231826.j1NIQBP0031605@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050223192740.93695.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Recording on stereo VHS tape was an affordable alternative to Reel to reel recording when the quality was not requirement.It was useful for timer recording of radio shows, creation of long tapes of background music, for house parties or other non-critical listening situations. The main drawback beside sound quality (FM modulated) is that often recording does not sound good when reproduced on another machine. This is MAJOR consideration for archiving. Your machine dies and archive is DOA. Also, VHS tapes take a lot of storage space. At that time, VCRs were built like tanks, not $49 toys of today. Because of that, I would not recommend anyone to start with recording on VHS. I have taken reverse route, backing up my VHS recordings to DVD-R and dumping VHS altogether. Today, standalone DVR capable of PCM recording (or even lossy AC-3) provide better sound quality for the fraction of the cost of the tapes. DVD blanks are 30-40 cents and can hold 1-8 hours of easilly searchable audio recording. Also, binder with 200 DVDs takes less space than 20 VHS tapes. This is for convenience. For quality, there is no substitute for Nak. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arichison at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 21:08:30 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:08:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8E7@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <20050223200830.49102.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I dont know, if you play a good hi fi vcr tape on a hifi machine it will surpass the sound of most anything,, yep, I mean it, warm and crisp , the tape must be from a good source, I wonder too about using a vcr instead of my nakamichi, someone help --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Just quickly on this topic. I have tons of hifi vcr > mostly VHS and one beta > and the sound is fantastic but does emmit a small > buzzing sound on certain > frequencies. Try recording a telephone bell ringing > and listen to the subtle > buzz sound on the recording. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dundis, Andy > [mailto:Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 1:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] NAKs vs Video tape > > > nak'rs > On an earlier posting someone inquired as to the > value of a > vcr (or beta) machine for audio recording... i > thought it to be > an interesting topic that got no response. I would > have been > interested in what others in the analog world > thought of it as > it might compare to a fine nakamichi. I've been told > that a > hi-fi vcr should make excellent audio recordings. > Any thoughts > or hands on experience with this? > jus' sturring the pot, > Andy > > > > > Come see Utility Engineering at Electric Power 2005 > April 5-7, 2005 at > McCormick Place in Chicago, IL - Booth 1004. > > > To obtain a free exhibit ticket, please send an > e-mail to > > electricpower at ue-corp.com Include > "Electric Power Tickets" in the subject. > > _____ > > DISCLAIMER: > > This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the > property of Utility > Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are > confidential, and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom this e-mail > is addressed. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From roleo at telus.net Wed Feb 23 21:23:02 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:23:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Questions References: <421CA56C.1020607@optonline.net> Message-ID: <002b01c3fa4a$c2ba77b0$6401a8c0@desktop> The MR-1 uses the same remotes that most Naks of that era used --- the RM-200 wired remote or the RM-580 two-piece infrared remote. It can also be run through a Nak system remote if you are using a Nak receiver remote if you have the RC-4 remote signal converter. I have one for sale if anyone is in need of one. As for mics, yes, regular unpowered mics can be used with the adaptor you mentioned. -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "baynett" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Questions > Which remotes work with the MR-1? Do mics plugged into the MR-1 need to be battery powered or > can a shure sm-57 condenser mic with xlr to 1/4" adapter cord be used without preamplification? > Thanks. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Feb 23 21:45:24 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:45:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 References: <002b01c51980$793a4f60$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <111c01c3fa4d$e542ec60$6401a8c0@desktop> Hi Johan! I have a new CA-7a but haven't hooked it up yet. Looks good. To me looks of a system and functionality are very important provided sound is reasonably good. I expect it will sound good despite Stephen Sank's opinion to the contrary. (keep reading...) The CA-7 remote has 'azimuth' buttons for CR-7 as well as reverse button for Dragon, and it allows both deck to be connected at the same time. Below this e-mail, see an e-mail from Salim SM posted here on the Naktalk mailing list a few months back on the CA-7. Here is a list of Stephen Sank's recommended pre-amps (+ other components at the link) CA-7 not among them.) http://vintage.hotbox.ru/Letters/recomendations_s_sank.htm Preamps: McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) I also have a CA-5 that I used in my previous system and it is very good. Much like the CR-7 with the excepton of azimuth and a couple of small bells and whistles. It is for sale now if interested. It is 120 / 240v so good anywhere. Cosmetics near perfect. Sorry, never used the PA-7, though I would be interested in hearing anyone's comments on it.. -- Roland Alford ===================================================================================== Stephen [Sank] really hated CA-7 saying that it might wake up neighborhood dogs with its screechy sound .... I'll never forget that clear description. =) Anyway I use both RE-1 and ST-7, and the tuner section is no comparison. I don't know if my RE tuner needs some realignment but it compares really bad against other standalone FM units. I may have a hard time comparing cd players - but for tuners it's almost like comparing decks, to me each have distinct sound. Imo, the best part of RE-1 is its power amp section, I did try cross connection with my old adcom gfp-1a + gfa-2 and found that RE's preamp side slightly degrade the sound when connected to gfa amp, relative to the other combination of adcom pre + RE-1 amp. Back to CA7 ... I'm 90% sure it's better than blue marantz receiver. Even my onkyo preamp (which Stephen incidentally also hated =) gives better sound than 2325's pre section ! Granted, the 2325 is not in its best condition, where I initially thought all the crackle noise was coming from power amp. However, the 2325 amp was very quiet when connected to onkyo pre. Apart from that, to my ear CA7 sounds quite neutral (tone circuit bypassed) and as good, if not better, compared to onkyo pre, apt holman and also adcom 555ii that I really hesitate to sell. Build quality has that ridiculous Nak overkill using two toroids for totally separate dual mono pre. Loved its remote capability, esp to control old nak decks. Phono pre was quiet and good enough, plus you have that cartridge loading switch. Highly recommended. My biggest complaint is the lack of headphone output ! If you can't find a matching PA amp, I tried aragon 8002 with even better results. Not sure what would be the perfect amp match, but even with a lowly adcom 535 the music is enjoyable. I would definitely use CA with RE's amp section while waiting for a nice PA5/7ii to show up. Although ST7 is not my favorite tuner, it sounds very good and has that wonderful rotary dial feel, very unlike kenwood rotary knob. Hope that helps ... and you're not bored =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Berserik, J.E. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 Dear Nakkers, I asked about these NAK amplifiers 14th February but no reply at all. I want to buy them once, I do have their prospects, but, can anyone tell me, if he/she likes them? Shortcomings, pro's en contra's? Tnx Johan ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 22:12:00 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:12:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Questions In-Reply-To: <421CA56C.1020607@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20050223211200.33523.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> The MR-1 takes the newer, monentary contact remotes like the RM-200 and RM-580. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html The pinout can be found here http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif Microphones plugged into the MR-1 need to be amplified first. It doesn't take standard mic level signals. You need a mic pre (preamplifier) to boost the signal about 40-50dB. If you plug in the mic directly you will just barely hear it with everything cranked up all the way. Musiciansfriend.com has several low cost mic pre and mixers with mic pre's. Behringer UB502 5-channel mixer is only $35. (1 microphone input) ART ProMix mixer w/3-mic inputs is $75. (+12V phantom power) ART Tube MP OPL 12AX7a tube mic pre is $49 (+48V phantom power) Scott J. --- baynett wrote: > Which remotes work with the MR-1? Do mics plugged into the MR-1 > need to > be battery powered or can a shure sm-57 condenser mic with xlr to > 1/4" > adapter cord be used without preamplification? Thanks. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 24 00:01:06 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:01:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F5@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I do know that the PA-7 is one hell of a beast. Some time ago there was discussion about the CA5 and CA7, the great Stephen Sank stated that the CA5 sounded better than the CA7 because of the negative feedback circuitry in the CA7 (I think that's right) made it sound too bright or tinny. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Berserik, J.E. [mailto:johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 7:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 Dear Nakkers, I asked about these NAK amplifiers 14th February but no reply at all. I want to buy them once, I do have their prospects, but, can anyone tell me, if he/she likes them? Shortcomings, pro's en contra's? Tnx Johan ***************************************** Johan E. Berserik Archipel 23-09 8224 GR LELYSTAD Tel. 0320 227397 johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 24 01:11:13 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:11:13 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL woes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F6@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> It's funny you mentioned crackles Walter because my ZX9 is doing exactly the same thing on the right channel during playback not record. It will be one of the orange caps causing the problem in my case but you mentioned that you replaced all but 3 on yours, could it be one of those 3? What ever you do don't throw this unit away, persist with it until these problems go away. My ZX9 have given me several problems caused by those darn caps and I too wanted to throw the towel in, but I hung onto the ol' gem and I will get it going to it's full potential once more. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.co.za] Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 6:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL woes I have a 1000ZXL that was bought at a very reasonable price.Unfortunately on Tape Playback the thing crackled very noisily.I proceeded to import from the USA 5% tolerance capacitors and all orange capacitors were replaced (except for three of them).(all of 43 of them were replaced! )When the old dame was switched on all the beautifull lights came on and it played a tape with such transparancy and accuracy that I have not heard on my Dragons or CR7's.The bass and trebles were unbelievable. A truely wonderfull sound! The meters all do their responsive movements---its a beauty to behold! However after some 20 minutes or so she started her crackling again which got worse and worse.We played through earphones with the same result.So we tried recording--boy was she good at recording crackles! In this instance the VU meters started to join the crackling in fairly precise unison.In a state of depression after the comedown from the beautifull sound,she was switched off and left for the night. The next day a tape was inserted and again the beautifull sound came forth---but again developing crackling after warming up! Other than telling me to throw her away,can anyone please tell me were does one start? If the machine can just be made to playback correctly it is worthwhile keeping because of the wonderfull playback sound! (even though the A.B.L.E. seems to have died some time ago. That section is COMPLETELY dead and inert!) Another anoying problem she has got is that one of the output levers makes no impression on the output for that channel and the respective light for it does not come on either. Maybe some of you will be so kind as to point the repair in the right direction? regards Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Roland Alford wrote: > The MR-1 uses the same remotes that most Naks of that era used --- the > RM-200 wired remote or the RM-580 two-piece infrared remote. > > It can also be run through a Nak system remote if you are using a Nak > receiver remote if you have the RC-4 remote signal converter. > > I have one for sale if anyone is in need of one. > > As for mics, yes, regular unpowered mics can be used with the adaptor > you mentioned. > > -- Roland > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "baynett" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:46 AM > Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Questions > > >> Which remotes work with the MR-1? Do mics plugged into the MR-1 need >> to be battery powered or can a shure sm-57 condenser mic with xlr to >> 1/4" adapter cord be used without preamplification? Thanks. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Thu Feb 24 02:50:11 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:50:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Playback of Dolby HX Pro Message-ID: <706da498433e4f9eb78700c8b41acf8f.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Thanks for all the replies about HXPRO. I have been playing these tapes on NAKS , they have no NR on the label. I have seen tape decks with HXPRO printed on the deck and could not see why they needed that label if there is nothing special about the playback so I started to question the reason. I guess its just a marketing thing. Frank > HXPRO is a recording thing. No special equipment is needed for > playback. Nak never had a deck with it because they didnt. HX stands > for headroom extension. > --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: > > I have some pre-recorded tapes labeled HXPRO. My tape decks only > have dolby B C . Do I play these tapes with no noise reduction? What > exactly is HXPRO , was it only meant for tape decks with HX PRO > playback? > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 24 02:04:21 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:04:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 arrived today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421D2815.4030603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mark, Mark Hugo wrote: > Doesn't odd-order harmonic distortion mask sounds? No, odd-order harmonic distortion is perceived by the ear as harsh or grating, the reason that transistors and digital audio sounds harsh compared to analog tape or valve/tube amplifiers. Even-order harmonic distortion is perceived by the ear as rich and musical, hence the resurgence of interest in both analog tape and valve/tube amplifiers. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 24 01:55:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:55:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Yes they did make headphones............(parts needed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421D2614.3@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Richard, Sorry I'm not, knowledgable about where to source parts for Nakaphones. Richard Jackson wrote: > > > >From: "Kermit V. Gray" > >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon page updated again.... > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:36:03 -0500 > > > >Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > > >Yet another update of the "Nakathon Resource" web page with > >information to help those in the Nakathon, or for anyone wanting to > >better their stereo. > > > >Just added are one new (simple) DIY project, studio forms, links to > >cleaning supplies and other brief information. > > > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > > > >Keep letting me know what else you'd like to see and I'll get it put > >up on the site. Thanks to those who offered suggestions already! > > > >... still more to come! > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >16371 Lake Point Drive > >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > >USA > >816-918-5058 cellphone > >913-422-0957 business > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Kermit , Great site! I have been a huge fan for about 20 yrs.(nak > fan that is). I recieved for a present a pair of the finest headphones > I`ve ever heard.The nak sp7 headset is wonderfull,But with children I > have broken the Plastic pc. holding the right > earpiece.......HELP!!!!!!! Thanks in advance for anything you can > do.Rich Jackson richy43us at hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with MSN Premium: > Join now and get the first > two months FREE* > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 24 02:05:36 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:05:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Lover In-Reply-To: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C55063648@corpx1.telosok.com> References: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C55063648@corpx1.telosok.com> Message-ID: <421D2860.20502@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Craig, Sounds to me as if your belt is just that much too slack or stretched. Jensen, Craig L wrote: > On my original deck, the capstan and roller seem to work fine but the > take-up reel, fast forward, and rewind are not functioning. Places I > have checked do not work on the 600 II or 600 because of lack of parts. > I am a little handy but with not a lot of experience in putting things > together after taking them apart. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 24 02:14:44 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:14:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SX, ZX, and EX In-Reply-To: <20050222210945.71502.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050222210945.71502.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421D2A84.4050506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Andre, Andre Richison wrote: > I have heard of people recordin(g) without dolby or > anything, no dbx nothing but the 70u button for good > tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much > louder dynamic etc, Too many audiophiles seem to "throw out" the proverbial "baby with the bath water." Noise reduction systems, if mistracking or miscalibrated, degrade sound. Solutions? Get the noise reduction working right. NOT shun noise reduction, as too many audiophiles do. The lack of noise reduction diminishes dynamic range. A good noise reduction not only increases dynamic range but reduices distortion in the recording. Go ahead and use your Nakamichi's noise reduction -- they got it right! > what do you think? Thoughts, mainly. Sometimes hallucinations. (Joking). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From enoyes at snet.net Thu Feb 24 04:20:00 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:20:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7e ; CA-7e ; CA-5 In-Reply-To: <002b01c51980$793a4f60$0200a8c0@lan> References: <002b01c51980$793a4f60$0200a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <421D47E0.9030006@snet.net> CA-5 is a great sounding simple design while CA-7 is very troubled with too much negative feedback making it sound very hard in high end. PA-7 is great STASIS amp which is nearly same level of implementation quality as the actual Threshold. Very robust and clean sound. Some have said the protection circuit on original version can be a bit twitchy... tends to be over cautious. I've never noticed this, but maybe if you had a tough load. In short, two of the three are quite nice. Ed Berserik, J.E. wrote: > Dear Nakkers, > > I asked about these NAK amplifiers 14th February but no reply at all. > I want to buy them once, I do have their prospects, but, can anyone > tell me, if he/she likes them? > Shortcomings, pro's en contra's? > Tnx > Johan > > ***************************************** > Johan E. 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URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Thu Feb 24 04:23:32 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:23:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Oscillator Question References: <20050223191222.47652.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a901c51a20$38031950$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Kannan, I love you, man. There is goodness still left in the world and it lives on right here within Naktalk. My little 480 rocks again and is right back to 100% with your advise and guidance, plus about 1 hour of my time invested to carefully de-solder and resolder new caps, which cost a total of 3 whole bucks delivered as promised from www.mouser.com. It probably saved me $50 to $100 from the service guy who did not want to do the work. Hey! If anyone's 480 refuses to erase and record, I've got a special deal going on bias oscillator repair. By the way, I only replaced the orange caps. The resistors and transistors were OK. Thank you Kannan and thank you all for your support. Long live Naks.com! Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Oscillator Question Hi Dean you can read about this Orange Cap problem with particular refrence to 480 Bias Oscillator in Naks.com ( Please visit http://support.naks.com/orange/ ) You may have to also replace two or three transistors and a resistor as well. I am sure that the 480 will get back to recording without any problem after the replacement. kannan Dean Bauer wrote: For the group, a brief tale of woe, but little intrigue. Please comment on whether I am on the right track with this. One and a half years ago, my beloved 480 stopped erasing when in record mode, but mechanically it is quite sound. The deck will not erase a pre-recorded tape and what little it can record onto a blank tape is very low in signal level and almost all distortion. I took it to David-Mann Audio in Philadelphia for repair, the same shop where I originally purchased it about a hundred years ago. The service guy (same guy who sold it to me) said it would take a long while until they got to it, but that it was easy to fix. I called a few times to inquire and they promised to get to it and to be patient. Last weekend with patience fully expired, I picked it up. Sadly, it's still not fixed. Such is the state of some repair shops. Thelip service was however of quite good quality. The good news is that I have had a long time to read tons of tremendous advice here on naktalk and I have just enough knowledge about electronics to be dangerous, which means I have a little soldering iron and a schematic, but no test equipment. I think that the most likely cause for the 480's symptoms is orange cap disease at the bias oscillator circuit, and I just recently benefited from a 480 service manual download. I have ordered a few 5% tolerance Wima Mixed Film Capacitors of the correct capacitance of course. Replacing the orange caps with these new ones should fix the problem. Correct??? After replacing them, are there any adjustments to be made? Please let me know if I'm barking up the wrong tree here. And of course, if I totally screw it up, you may see a silver 480 on ebay for parts. Thanks for any help and I must say here that the Marathon Tapes have been a tremendo! us addition to the collection. Great job guys. Enjoy the music! 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Thanks, Marc >>> Bob Petrovich 02/23/05 09:27PM >>> Recording on stereo VHS tape was an affordable alternative to Reel to reel recording when the quality was not requirement.It was useful for timer recording of radio shows, creation of long tapes of background music, for house parties or other non-critical listening situations. The main drawback beside sound quality (FM modulated) is that often recording does not sound good when reproduced on another machine. This is MAJOR consideration for archiving. Your machine dies and archive is DOA. Also, VHS tapes take a lot of storage space. At that time, VCRs were built like tanks, not $49 toys of today. Because of that, I would not recommend anyone to start with recording on VHS. I have taken reverse route, backing up my VHS recordings to DVD-R and dumping VHS altogether. Today, standalone DVR capable of PCM recording (or even lossy AC-3) provide better sound quality for the fraction of the cost of the tapes. DVD blanks are 30-40 cents and can hold 1-8 hours of easilly searchable audio recording. Also, binder with 200 DVDs takes less space than 20 VHS tapes. This is for convenience. For quality, there is no substitute for Nak. Bob The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thu Feb 24 10:01:00 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:01:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F3@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <002701c51a4f$5c7b4c10$1510a8c0@TG> Thanks very much Tom, Great work, really..... Brgds, Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request > There're on their way. > > Tom. From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Feb 24 20:34:46 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:34:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer Message-ID: <14860-421E2C56-1515@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Hello,this may be my last week on WEB TV.The reason I am posting this is not 'cause I think you give a dog biscuit about what i'm doing,but becuase i unfairly blasted,even "lambasted" "WEB TV" in my recent post referring to my new LINUX "LYCORIS DESTOP LX 199.00 WAL-MART computer. The orginal "WEB TV" was great for its time.It has been obsolete for a long while,but it has continued to serve some tecno-stragglers like myself,giving us the most basic I-Net service(but not without a lot of problems recently) including photo upload cabability.The Good news is that There is a now new updated version of WEBTV,that allows a computer like efficiency when surfing the web- it even allows streaming video and still lets you upload photos like the old box,except you cannot use your CAmcorder anymore,but must use a digi-cam with a card reader. "The new box" sells for 200.00.I highly rcommend this New Web Tv box even for computer wizards.Its ease of use and simplicity of operation far surpasses computers, and it will not Crash. I have found out that the computer is something you must "sit down" to---go through your fairly involved processess(log on etc.)and then you may enjoy your Naktalk,your E-Bay,E-mail,or what have you. The New WEB TV BOX is so easy, just,for example to get up in the morning,pop it on in an instant,enjoy all your mail,E-bay,Naktalk and other favouites as well as the news rightaway,and pop back off in a very short time-effortless!Plus you can watch it on your 56 inch plasma like i do...er..would.I am not saying to consider the WEB TV instead of computer,but rather to have it in additon to your computer,should you be in a postion to afford both.MSN offers a "two for one" combo subscription price for MSN TV I-Net service for the Windows system computer and web tv service for the new WEB boX for ,like, 24.00 or less.In would do this but i am running DESKTOP LX and this Isnt supported,therefore,i wont be able to incur the cost of both a computer and The NewWEB TV Box at present.Thanks for your generosity in allowing this post,cause its not directly related to Nakamichi except insofar as commuication with the NAKTALK goes- thank you very much, gerald From fff-music at millic.com.ar Thu Feb 24 19:40:40 2005 From: fff-music at millic.com.ar (fff-music at millic.com.ar) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:40 -0300 (ART) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual Message-ID: <36917.217.77.224.129.1109270440.squirrel@webmail.millic.com.ar> Hi, does anyone has the Nakamichi 700 II service manual ? Appreciatte any help. Regards fabio From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 24 22:22:17 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:22:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8FE@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> No worries. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr] Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 8:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 582Z service manual request Thanks very much Tom, Great work, really..... Brgds, Tayfur From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 24 23:00:48 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:00:48 +1100 Subject: re [naktalk] 582 question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D900@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Thanks all who gave their input to solving the fault. John it turned out to be the lamp behind the stop button, I replaced it and up she came. Great sound, well it's a nak after all, but a bloody wide deck, wider than the RX505! Tom. -----Original Message----- From: John Berger [mailto:jberger at well.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 5:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: re [naktalk] 582 question It might be something as simple as a burned out light bulb. The bulb is the green light behind the "play" button; if this burns out, the deck will mute the playback output. It works to monitor recording because the red light behind "rec" is also lit at that time. Stupid design, in my opinion, but that's a fairly likely cause (and it happened to my 582 some years back...) John Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:59:26 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: [naktalk] 582 question To: "'Naktalk mail list (E-mail)'" Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F1 at mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Howdy all. Just purchased a 582 from e-bay and it has a fault with it. This is what the seller stated in the auction... "it records fine, and monitors back while recording, but there is no playback in standard play mode....very strange - at first I thought I had a blank cassette, but when i hit record, there was a little burst of music that came before the tone I was recording played back. (The lag between the rec and play heads....)" What do you think it could be, any input would be great. Cheers, Tom ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Feb 25 01:58:17 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:58:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller cleaner Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D901@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi all. Can anyone advise me if this stuff on ebay is ok to use on the naks? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5753508 394&rd=1 Cheers, Tom From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Feb 24 22:27:29 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:27:29 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Yes they did make headphones............(partsneeded) References: <421D2614.3@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <004101c51ab7$a54cac50$430f98de@tec> Hello All I have a headphone set called a Nakamichi HP100. They are very good open air type. I bought them in 1977 I think. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Yes they did make headphones............(partsneeded) > Hi Richard, > > Sorry I'm not, knowledgable about where to source parts for Nakaphones. > > Richard Jackson wrote: >> >> >> >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >Subject: [naktalk] Nakathon page updated again.... >> >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:36:03 -0500 >> > >> >Hi Fellow Nakkers, >> > >> >Yet another update of the "Nakathon Resource" web page with >> >information to help those in the Nakathon, or for anyone wanting to >> >better their stereo. >> > >> >Just added are one new (simple) DIY project, studio forms, links to >> >cleaning supplies and other brief information. >> > >> >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html >> > >> >Keep letting me know what else you'd like to see and I'll get it put >> >up on the site. Thanks to those who offered suggestions already! >> > >> >... still more to come! >> > >> >-- >> >Kermit Gray >> >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> >16371 Lake Point Drive >> >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> >USA >> >816-918-5058 cellphone >> >913-422-0957 business >> >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> > >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Hi Kermit , Great site! I have been a huge fan for about 20 yrs.(nak fan >> that is). I recieved for a present a pair of the finest headphones I`ve >> ever heard.The nak sp7 headset is wonderfull,But with children I have >> broken the Plastic pc. holding the right earpiece.......HELP!!!!!!! >> Thanks in advance for anything you can do.Rich Jackson >> richy43us at hotmail.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with MSN Premium: >> Join now and get the first two >> months FREE* >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 01:46:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:46:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual In-Reply-To: <36917.217.77.224.129.1109270440.squirrel@webmail.millic.com.ar> Message-ID: <20050225004603.25545.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am looking for a manual also. Great if someone has it. Bala fff-music at millic.com.ar wrote: Hi, does anyone has the Nakamichi 700 II service manual ? Appreciatte any help. Regards fabio ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxwell_hu at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 05:11:46 2005 From: maxwell_hu at hotmail.com (Maxwell Hu) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:11:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service manual for a BX-1? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 25 05:38:14 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:38:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller cleaner In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D901@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D901@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <421EABB6.90101@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Thomas, I'd strongly recommend against it. You have no way of knowing what's in this stuff -- and if it's being sold mainly via a "professional" eBay seller, then I'd be quite wary, to be polite. E caveat emptor. A bad head cleaner, at best, does nothing but waste your money, and, at worst, leaves a film on the head or even damages plastic parts. American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner is the best commercially available cleaner. It is what I use on my Nakamichis (and other analog recorders). I buy mine from http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html U. S. Recording Media, who are both very professional and who are friends with Quantegy. Hope this helps! N-Joy! Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all. Can anyone advise me if this stuff on ebay is ok to use on the naks? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5753508 > 394&rd=1 > > > Cheers, > > Tom > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 25 09:37:18 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:37:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] O.T. Nak Talk and Computer Message-ID: Thanks for that Gerald, I, for one, found that interesting and informative. Was that US $199.00 for your new desk-top setup? What do you get for it as a matter of interest? All the best, Marc >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/24/05 09:34PM >>> Hello,this may be my last week on WEB TV.The reason I am posting this is not 'cause I think you give a dog biscuit about what i'm doing,but becuase i unfairly blasted,even "lambasted" "WEB TV" in my recent post referring to my new LINUX "LYCORIS DESTOP LX 199.00 WAL-MART computer. The orginal "WEB TV" was great for its time.It has been obsolete for a long while,but it has continued to serve some tecno-stragglers like myself,giving us the most basic I-Net service(but not without a lot of problems recently) including photo upload cabability.The Good news is that There is a now new updated version of WEBTV,that allows a computer like efficiency when surfing the web- it even allows streaming video and still lets you upload photos like the old box,except you cannot use your CAmcorder anymore,but must use a digi-cam with a card reader. "The new box" sells for 200.00.I highly rcommend this New Web Tv box even for computer wizards.Its ease of use and simplicity of operation far surpasses computers, and it will not Crash. I have found out that the computer is something you must "sit down" to---go through your fairly involved processess(log on etc.)and then you may enjoy your Naktalk,your E-Bay,E-mail,or what have you. The New WEB TV BOX is so easy, just,for example to get up in the morning,pop it on in an instant,enjoy all your mail,E-bay,Naktalk and other favouites as well as the news rightaway,and pop back off in a very short time-effortless!Plus you can watch it on your 56 inch plasma like i do...er..would.I am not saying to consider the WEB TV instead of computer,but rather to have it in additon to your computer,should you be in a postion to afford both.MSN offers a "two for one" combo subscription price for MSN TV I-Net service for the Windows system computer and web tv service for the new WEB boX for ,like, 24.00 or less.In would do this but i am running DESKTOP LX and this Isnt supported,therefore,i wont be able to incur the cost of both a computer and The NewWEB TV Box at present.Thanks for your generosity in allowing this post,cause its not directly related to Nakamichi except insofar as commuication with the NAKTALK goes- thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 25 09:51:27 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:51:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EX, SX etc: Kermit Message-ID: Totally right Kermit, I'm sure using the same hullucinogen as you. Hehe heh!! I think Nakamichi have great NR setups and I often use (usually use them). It used to be quite fashionable to shun NR on any decks at all times - I suspect people would like to be mistaken for serious recordists!! Seriously though, my brother for instance, said that in his experience, dolby robbed music of the "highs". You know, with enough beers under the belt, this sort of urban legend becomes a truth that eventually gets published in a hi-fi mag for all I know. However, I'm sure some decks NR was not exactly well implemented. Marc dre Richison wrote: > I have heard of people recordin(g) without dolby or > anything, no dbx nothing but the 70u button for good > tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much > louder dynamic etc, Too many audiophiles seem to "throw out" the proverbial "baby with the bath water." Noise reduction systems, if mistracking or miscalibrated, degrade sound. Solutions? Get the noise reduction working right. NOT shun noise reduction, as too many audiophiles do. The lack of noise reduction diminishes dynamic range. A good noise reduction not only increases dynamic range but reduices distortion in the recording. Go ahead and use your Nakamichi's noise reduction -- they got it right! > what do you think? Thoughts, mainly. Sometimes hallucinations. (Joking). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Feb 25 16:42:29 2005 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:42:29 -0500 Subject: re [naktalk] 582 question Message-ID: BTW: I visited the NAK plant back in the late 80's and they told me the official fix was to also add a 1K resistor across the lamp so the output would not mute when the lamp burns out. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:01 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: re [naktalk] 582 question Thanks all who gave their input to solving the fault. John it turned out to be the lamp behind the stop button, I replaced it and up she came. Great sound, well it's a nak after all, but a bloody wide deck, wider than the RX505! Tom. -----Original Message----- From: John Berger [mailto:jberger at well.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 5:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: re [naktalk] 582 question It might be something as simple as a burned out light bulb. The bulb is the green light behind the "play" button; if this burns out, the deck will mute the playback output. It works to monitor recording because the red light behind "rec" is also lit at that time. Stupid design, in my opinion, but that's a fairly likely cause (and it happened to my 582 some years back...) John Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:59:26 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: [naktalk] 582 question To: "'Naktalk mail list (E-mail)'" Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F1 at mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Howdy all. Just purchased a 582 from e-bay and it has a fault with it. This is what the seller stated in the auction... "it records fine, and monitors back while recording, but there is no playback in standard play mode....very strange - at first I thought I had a blank cassette, but when i hit record, there was a little burst of music that came before the tone I was recording played back. (The lag between the rec and play heads....)" What do you think it could be, any input would be great. Cheers, Tom ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From mailboxb at optonline.net Fri Feb 25 17:18:35 2005 From: mailboxb at optonline.net (bert) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:18:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 Message-ID: <421F4FDB.6040701@optonline.net> Will the Nakamichi Microphone CM-100 work with the MR-1 microphone inputs directly or is a preamplifier still needed? From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 25 17:58:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:58:29 -0000 Subject: re [naktalk] 582 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c51b5b$3b46d980$44854c51@oemcomputer> Ooooh, that's handy tip! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bahr, Kurtis > Sent: 25 February 2005 15:42 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: re [naktalk] 582 question > > > BTW: > > I visited the NAK plant back in the late 80's and they told me the > official fix was to also add a 1K resistor across the lamp so the output > would not mute when the lamp burns out. > > Kurtis > From Craig.jensen at TelosOK.com Fri Feb 25 18:32:41 2005 From: Craig.jensen at TelosOK.com (Jensen, Craig L) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:32:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Lover Message-ID: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C55063653@corpx1.telosok.com> Hi Kermit Thank you for the response. I was starting to wonder if I had asked the wrong question, asked it in the wrong way, or no one was interested in the 600 II. The only reference I have noticed to this deck was your previous message on fixing a scratch in the cassette cover. Can you tell me if I should even consider changing the belt and if it is available? Also, I noticed a service manual reproduction on ebay. I'm assuming I will need that. Thanks again. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Lover Hi Craig, Sounds to me as if your belt is just that much too slack or stretched. Jensen, Craig L wrote: > On my original deck, the capstan and roller seem to work fine but the > take-up reel, fast forward, and rewind are not functioning. Places I > have checked do not work on the 600 II or 600 because of lack of parts. > I am a little handy but with not a lot of experience in putting things > together after taking them apart. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 19:29:34 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <421F4FDB.6040701@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20050225182934.7255.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> Preamplifier still needed. SJ --- bert wrote: > Will the Nakamichi Microphone CM-100 work with the MR-1 microphone > inputs directly or is a preamplifier still needed? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 20:37:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:37:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EX, SX etc: Kermit Message-ID: Shalom my dear Friends! My mainly reason...why I don't use any "Noise reduction"...when I recorded with my lovely "Virgin/untouched"...Dragon deck, is that when I listen back such recorded cassettes...with my "Affordable" car radio/tape...sound better with much less "Aggressively" highs/treble emphasis...that; for the first time when I received my Dragon I use Dolby "B"...and I required to recorded again with NO any noise reduction...for my better enjoyment...! I hope that I make myself very crystal clear understood/implied Thanks for your understanding! ALEX! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] EX, SX etc: Kermit >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:51:27 +0200 > > > >Totally right Kermit, > >I'm sure using the same hullucinogen as you. Hehe heh!! I think >Nakamichi have great NR setups and I often use (usually use them). It >used to be quite fashionable to shun NR on any decks at all times - I >suspect people would like to be mistaken for serious recordists!! >Seriously though, my brother for instance, said that in his experience, >dolby robbed music of the "highs". You know, with enough beers under >the belt, this sort of urban legend becomes a truth that eventually gets >published in a hi-fi mag for all I know. However, I'm sure some decks >NR was not exactly well implemented. > >Marc > > >dre Richison wrote: > > I have heard of people recordin(g) without dolby or > > anything, no dbx nothing but the 70u button for good > > tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much > > louder dynamic etc, > >Too many audiophiles seem to "throw out" the proverbial "baby with the > >bath water." Noise reduction systems, if mistracking or miscalibrated, > >degrade sound. Solutions? Get the noise reduction working right. NOT >shun noise reduction, as too many audiophiles do. > >The lack of noise reduction diminishes dynamic range. A good noise >reduction not only increases dynamic range but reduices distortion in >the recording. > >Go ahead and use your Nakamichi's noise reduction -- they got it >right! > > > what do you think? > >Thoughts, mainly. Sometimes hallucinations. (Joking). > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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Gray) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:42:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <421F4FDB.6040701@optonline.net> References: <421F4FDB.6040701@optonline.net> Message-ID: <421F8DB7.6060604@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bert, bert wrote: > Will the Nakamichi Microphone CM-100 work with the MR-1 microphone > inputs directly or is a preamplifier still needed? Yes, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into the deck. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Feb 26 01:02:31 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:02:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craig at leckband.com Sat Feb 26 05:33:27 2005 From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:33:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing scratches and edge wear Message-ID: <421FFC17.3030603@leckband.com> Hi all, I have recently acquired a ZX-7. It came with a couple of surprises. It's face is in good shape as I expected, but the top and sides have pretty long, through the paint scratches. I know I should not bother, but you know how it is. Has any one had experience with trying to touch up the paint on the case? Is it better to try and paint the whole case, or just spot touch ups? Are there any paints that work well? Is the result good looking, and does it resist further scratching? Thanks in advance Craig From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 26 22:45:41 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:45:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller cleaner Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D90C@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Thanks Kermit for the great advice, I'll click on the link below and have a look. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:38 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch roller cleaner Hi Thomas, I'd strongly recommend against it. You have no way of knowing what's in this stuff -- and if it's being sold mainly via a "professional" eBay seller, then I'd be quite wary, to be polite. E caveat emptor. A bad head cleaner, at best, does nothing but waste your money, and, at worst, leaves a film on the head or even damages plastic parts. American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner is the best commercially available cleaner. It is what I use on my Nakamichis (and other analog recorders). I buy mine from http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html U. S. Recording Media, who are both very professional and who are friends with Quantegy. Hope this helps! N-Joy! Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all. Can anyone advise me if this stuff on ebay is ok to use on the naks? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5753508 > 394&rd=1 > > > Cheers, > > Tom > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 26 22:49:47 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:49:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D90D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi Bala, I have a copy I can send to you but sorry Fabio I don't have the service manual. Bala if you can wait for one day more I'll send it to your email account but I'm on 56 dial-up today and don't have the bandwidth. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual Hi, I am looking for a manual also. Great if someone has it. Bala fff-music at millic.com.ar wrote: Hi, does anyone has the Nakamichi 700 II service manual ? Appreciatte any help. Regards fabio ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 26 22:51:52 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:51:52 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D90E@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I have a copy of the BX-1 service manual but like Bala can you wait one more day so I can send it using highspeed bandwidth instead of 56k dial-up. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Maxwell Hu [mailto:maxwell_hu at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service manual for a BX-1? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 26 09:11:15 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:11:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EX, SX etc: Kermit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42202F23.1010401@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mark, (High Mark?), Two other phenomena are occurring, I think. One phenomena is the error of equivocating the unequivocable. Sometimes folks read of an excellent recording done with no noise reduction and do not notice it was recorded on something like a custom built 30-ips Studer or Ampex 2-track running half-inch tape. Ok, I agree -- a recorder like that needs no noise reduction because it has almost 20 dB of headroom, and a signal-to-noise ratio over -70 dB (referred to 256 nWeber/meter), resulting in a working dynamic range of 90 dB! That's very different from a cassette deck that runs at 1-7/8 ips and records four tracks (two stereo tracks per side) onto 1/8-inch wide tape that DEFINITELY benefits from noise reduction. Yet too many believe what works well for a big studio super-deck is good for a home cassette deck! The other phenomena is a psychoacoustic trap: tape hiss often makes a playback seem "brighter" to the untrained ear because of the increased spectral energy above 5,000 cps. This can then mislead someone into thinking that the noise reduction is dulling the sound (because it reduces the hiss, and hence the misperceived "brightness" is reduced). This is why pro engineers in the 1970s spent years as apprentices laerning how to LISTEN properly, with understanding of what they were hearing. Of course, mistracking Dolbys DO dull the sound, but your Nakamichi has a Dolby that doesn't mistrack, right? Right! N-Joy! Mark Hugo wrote: > > Totally right Kermit, > > I'm sure using the same hullucinogen as you. Hehe heh!! I think > Nakamichi have great NR setups and I often use (usually use them). It > used to be quite fashionable to shun NR on any decks at all times - I > suspect people would like to be mistaken for serious recordists!! > Seriously though, my brother for instance, said that in his experience, > dolby robbed music of the "highs". You know, with enough beers under > the belt, this sort of urban legend becomes a truth that eventually gets > published in a hi-fi mag for all I know. However, I'm sure some decks > NR was not exactly well implemented. > > Marc > > > dre Richison wrote: > >>I have heard of people recordin(g) without dolby or >>anything, no dbx nothing but the 70u button for good >>tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much >>louder dynamic etc, > > > Too many audiophiles seem to "throw out" the proverbial "baby with the > > bath water." Noise reduction systems, if mistracking or miscalibrated, > > degrade sound. Solutions? Get the noise reduction working right. NOT > shun noise reduction, as too many audiophiles do. > > The lack of noise reduction diminishes dynamic range. A good noise > reduction not only increases dynamic range but reduices distortion in > the recording. > > Go ahead and use your Nakamichi's noise reduction -- they got it > right! > > >>what do you think? > > > Thoughts, mainly. Sometimes hallucinations. (Joking). > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Feb 26 10:45:11 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:45:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level Message-ID: Hi (Hola!) dear Martin! The "0" is the "level " calibration for "Cassette Level & Bias"...as I own a Dragon model, I can record till "+5+ Db in the RED bars...and thanks to the superbly heads + electronics inside, NO distortion at all and much better Signal to Noise or quieter cassette music...it's allowed! You do not state which Nak model you own...(If Any...?), so that's is in a general way! Buena Suerte!!!! (Good Luck!) ALEX! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:02:31 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Sat Feb 26 12:55:46 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:55:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] Repairing scratches and edge wear Message-ID: <9b.5a146578.2f51bdc2@aol.com> My experience with repairing scratches didn't go as good as described by another member. I was told to sand the panel lightly and use rustoleum flat black. While it looks fairly good in color it is even more susceptible to scratches, not to mention the black comes off much easier. I did this on my BX2 and while it looks better from afar I would like to know a better solution myself. Regards, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baynett at optonline.net Sat Feb 26 14:21:11 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:21:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <421F8DB7.6060604@woods-and-waters.com> References: <421F4FDB.6040701@optonline.net> <421F8DB7.6060604@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <422077C7.5060308@optonline.net> If the preamps are built into the deck then you're reply should read. NO, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into the deck. So which is it do I need a preamp or not? Thanks. Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Bert, > > bert wrote: > >> Will the Nakamichi Microphone CM-100 work with the MR-1 microphone >> inputs directly or is a preamplifier still needed? > > > Yes, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into > the deck. > > N-Joy! > > > From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 26 19:56:10 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:56:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing scratches and edge wear In-Reply-To: <421FFC17.3030603@leckband.com> Message-ID: I tried this once on my first ZX9 and it looked bad. My solution was to take it to my local auto repair shop, have them mask it up and fill and spray it ! There was a lot of trust involved, but the results are really great! Good as new!(if not better!), AND surprisingly quick and cheap! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leckband [mailto:craig at leckband.com] Sent: 26 February 2005 04:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Repairing scratches and edge wear Hi all, I have recently acquired a ZX-7. It came with a couple of surprises. It's face is in good shape as I expected, but the top and sides have pretty long, through the paint scratches. I know I should not bother, but you know how it is. Has any one had experience with trying to touch up the paint on the case? Is it better to try and paint the whole case, or just spot touch ups? Are there any paints that work well? Is the result good looking, and does it resist further scratching? Thanks in advance Craig From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 26 21:21:22 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:21:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <422077C7.5060308@optonline.net> References: <421F4FDB.6040701@optonline.net> <421F8DB7.6060604@woods-and-waters.com> <422077C7.5060308@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4220DA42.7040003@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bert, Sorry ... fatigue does wonders for one's writing skills. NO, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into the deck. ANY input labeled MIC or MICROPHONE has a preamplifier built into that input (just as any PHONO input incorporates an RIAA-equalized preamplifier). Otherwise, the input would be labelled LINE or AUX or merely INPUT. Hope this clears things up! N-Joy! baynett wrote: > If the preamps are built into the deck then you're reply should read. > > NO, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into the > deck. > > So which is it do I need a preamp or not? > > Thanks. > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Bert, >> >> bert wrote: >> >>> Will the Nakamichi Microphone CM-100 work with the MR-1 microphone >>> inputs directly or is a preamplifier still needed? >> >> >> >> Yes, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into >> the deck. >> >> N-Joy! >> >> >> > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 26 21:29:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:29:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4220DC2C.6080207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Martin, Decibels, or dBs, express a ratio of levels, powers or voltages compared to a reference level. In any audio system 0 dB therefore is referred to some arbitrary point. In a cassette deck, "operating level" is customarily referred to a flux level (on the tape) of 165 nanoWebers/meter (IF I recall correctly) OR the magnetic flux resulting in some arbirtrary amount of distortion. Recording exactly at the 0 dB level will then result in whatever standard playback voltage is specified on the outputs (typically 100 mV to 500 mV). - dB means you're BELOW that reference, or operating, level; + dB means you're ABOVE that reference level. Generally, going above (+ dB) operating level increases distortion beyond what the manufacturer feels is acceptable (except on brief peaks). To achieve optimal distortion, noise and dynamic range from your recorder, most of the music will be recorded at or below operating level with the briefest peaks just flicking into the + dB region. Hope this helps! martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > Dear fellow Nakers, > > Can anyone clarify what the minuses, the 0 and the pluses on the peak > level meters represent? > I have heard the term "operating level" referring to 0db and below > operating level referring to the minuses but am in the dark as to what > that means. > > Martin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Organize your inbox and send incoming messages to specific folders. > Learn more! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From c123666 at comcast.net Sat Feb 26 23:04:14 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:04:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 3 Nak Decks for Sale In-Reply-To: <14860-421E2C56-1515@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> References: <14860-421E2C56-1515@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4220F25E.4070506@comcast.net> I have three Nakamichi decks I wish to move to somebody that will use them. They are: 670zx works fine...missing three of four rubber feet on bottom...all knobs and switches present and in excellent cosmetic condition zx9 FF/REW works fine.....all you get when you depress PLAY is a clunk...I think that means a failed capstan 700 II ff/rew works and so does play...I was told play is a little slow...I've never tested the deck. All knobs and other parts are present and it is in good cosmetic condition. A good parts deck or possibly can be serviced and used. All three decks for 500. Carl Oakland Gerald G. wrote: >Hello,this may be my last week on WEB TV.The reason I am posting this is >not 'cause I think you give a dog biscuit about what i'm doing,but >becuase i unfairly blasted,even "lambasted" "WEB TV" in my recent post >referring to my new LINUX "LYCORIS DESTOP LX 199.00 WAL-MART computer. >The orginal "WEB TV" was great for its time.It has been obsolete for a >long while,but it has continued to serve some tecno-stragglers like >myself,giving us the most basic I-Net service(but not without a lot of >problems recently) including photo upload cabability.The Good news is >that There is a now new updated version of WEBTV,that allows a computer >like efficiency when surfing the web- it even allows streaming video and >still lets you upload photos like the old box,except you cannot use your >CAmcorder anymore,but must use a digi-cam with a card reader. "The new >box" sells for 200.00.I highly rcommend this New Web Tv box even for >computer wizards.Its ease of use and simplicity of operation far >surpasses computers, and it will not Crash. I have found out that the >computer is something you must "sit down" to---go through your fairly >involved processess(log on etc.)and then you may enjoy your Naktalk,your >E-Bay,E-mail,or what have you. The New WEB TV BOX is so easy, just,for >example to get up in the morning,pop it on in an instant,enjoy all your >mail,E-bay,Naktalk and other favouites as well as the news >rightaway,and pop back off in a very short time-effortless!Plus you can >watch it on your 56 inch plasma like i do...er..would.I am not saying to >consider the WEB TV instead of computer,but >rather to have it in additon to your computer,should you be in a postion >to afford both.MSN offers a "two for one" combo subscription price for >MSN TV I-Net service for the Windows system computer and web tv service >for the new WEB boX for ,like, 24.00 or less.In would do this but i am >running DESKTOP LX and this Isnt supported,therefore,i wont be able to >incur the cost of both a computer and The NewWEB TV Box at >present.Thanks for your generosity in allowing this post,cause its not >directly related to Nakamichi except insofar as commuication with the >NAKTALK goes- > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From c123666 at comcast.net Sat Feb 26 23:06:34 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:06:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 3 naks for sale In-Reply-To: <14860-421E2C56-1515@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> References: <14860-421E2C56-1515@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4220F2EA.20906@comcast.net> The ZX9 has its original box; not in the best of condition but it can be used to ship it if it is double boxed. Gerald G. wrote: >Hello,this may be my last week on WEB TV.The reason I am posting this is >not 'cause I think you give a dog biscuit about what i'm doing,but >becuase i unfairly blasted,even "lambasted" "WEB TV" in my recent post >referring to my new LINUX "LYCORIS DESTOP LX 199.00 WAL-MART computer. >The orginal "WEB TV" was great for its time.It has been obsolete for a >long while,but it has continued to serve some tecno-stragglers like >myself,giving us the most basic I-Net service(but not without a lot of >problems recently) including photo upload cabability.The Good news is >that There is a now new updated version of WEBTV,that allows a computer >like efficiency when surfing the web- it even allows streaming video and >still lets you upload photos like the old box,except you cannot use your >CAmcorder anymore,but must use a digi-cam with a card reader. "The new >box" sells for 200.00.I highly rcommend this New Web Tv box even for >computer wizards.Its ease of use and simplicity of operation far >surpasses computers, and it will not Crash. I have found out that the >computer is something you must "sit down" to---go through your fairly >involved processess(log on etc.)and then you may enjoy your Naktalk,your >E-Bay,E-mail,or what have you. The New WEB TV BOX is so easy, just,for >example to get up in the morning,pop it on in an instant,enjoy all your >mail,E-bay,Naktalk and other favouites as well as the news >rightaway,and pop back off in a very short time-effortless!Plus you can >watch it on your 56 inch plasma like i do...er..would.I am not saying to >consider the WEB TV instead of computer,but >rather to have it in additon to your computer,should you be in a postion >to afford both.MSN offers a "two for one" combo subscription price for >MSN TV I-Net service for the Windows system computer and web tv service >for the new WEB boX for ,like, 24.00 or less.In would do this but i am >running DESKTOP LX and this Isnt supported,therefore,i wont be able to >incur the cost of both a computer and The NewWEB TV Box at >present.Thanks for your generosity in allowing this post,cause its not >directly related to Nakamichi except insofar as commuication with the >NAKTALK goes- > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From jberger at well.com Sat Feb 26 23:50:48 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:50:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR Message-ID: You can pretty easily convince Dolby skeptics that Nakamichi did it right if you have a 3-head Nak deck. Play a CD (or album) with good high-frequency content and good dynamics, and record it. First, record it with Dolby off, and switch back and forth between tape and source. Then continue recording, but keep the monitoring on Tape and switch the Dolby circuits in and out. If your deck is properly calibrated and aligned, the highs will still be there at equal levels in either Dolby NR position, but the tape hiss will drop quite significantly. Point out to them that the highs are still there, if it's done right. You have to do this with a 3-head deck, so the NR switching is done at the same time on both record and playback, so you're comparing apples to apples. I sold a lot of Naks in the early 80's with this comparison (and sold a lot of people on the benefits of 3-head decks at the same time). John From fff-music at millic.com.ar Sun Feb 27 00:39:45 2005 From: fff-music at millic.com.ar (fff-music at millic.com.ar) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:39:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual Message-ID: <169930-22005262623394520@M2W045.mail2web.com> Hi Tom, if you can send me the operation manual, it will also be helpfull. I'll wait until is good for you Thanks a lot Fabio Original Message: ----------------- From: Thomas Siomopoulos Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:49:47 +1100 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual Hi Bala, I have a copy I can send to you but sorry Fabio I don't have the service manual. Bala if you can wait for one day more I'll send it to your email account but I'm on 56 dial-up today and don't have the bandwidth. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual Hi, I am looking for a manual also. Great if someone has it. Bala fff-music at millic.com.ar wrote: Hi, does anyone has the Nakamichi 700 II service manual ? Appreciatte any help. Regards fabio ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 01:04:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:04:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level Message-ID: Yes Kermit...your advice is 100% exactly...HOWEVER...with the Top of the series Nak machines the Instructions advice that you can "Touch" +5 Db with ferric & crome tapes, and can go till +8 with metal ones! I think that this guy ask exactly in reference with Nak machines...or I'm wrong? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:29:32 -0500 > >Hi Martin, > >Decibels, or dBs, express a ratio of levels, powers or voltages compared to >a reference level. In any audio system 0 dB therefore is referred to some >arbitrary point. In a cassette deck, "operating level" is customarily >referred to a flux level (on the tape) of 165 nanoWebers/meter (IF I recall >correctly) OR the magnetic flux resulting in some arbirtrary amount of >distortion. Recording exactly at the 0 dB level will then result in >whatever standard playback voltage is specified on the outputs (typically >100 mV to 500 mV). > >- dB means you're BELOW that reference, or operating, level; + dB means >you're ABOVE that reference level. > >Generally, going above (+ dB) operating level increases distortion beyond >what the manufacturer feels is acceptable (except on brief peaks). > >To achieve optimal distortion, noise and dynamic range from your recorder, >most of the music will be recorded at or below operating level with the >briefest peaks just flicking into the + dB region. > >Hope this helps! > > >martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: >>Dear fellow Nakers, >> Can anyone clarify what the minuses, the 0 and the pluses on the peak >>level meters represent? >>I have heard the term "operating level" referring to 0db and below >>operating level referring to the minuses but am in the dark as to what >>that means. >> Martin >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Organize your inbox and send incoming messages to specific folders. Learn >>more! >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 01:10:28 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:10:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EX, SX etc: Kermit Message-ID: Lovely Mark & Kermit! 100% agree...however in my case and when I record a cassette specifically to be listen IN MY OWN radio/tape car device...NO Dolby at ALL! It's better to MY HEARS...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] EX, SX etc: Kermit >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:11:15 -0500 > >Hi Mark, (High Mark?), > >Two other phenomena are occurring, I think. > >One phenomena is the error of equivocating the unequivocable. Sometimes >folks read of an excellent recording done with no noise reduction and do >not notice it was recorded on something like a custom built 30-ips Studer >or Ampex 2-track running half-inch tape. Ok, I agree -- a recorder like >that needs no noise reduction because it has almost 20 dB of headroom, and >a signal-to-noise ratio over -70 dB (referred to 256 nWeber/meter), >resulting in a working dynamic range of 90 dB! That's very different from a >cassette deck that runs at 1-7/8 ips and records four tracks (two stereo >tracks per side) onto 1/8-inch wide tape that DEFINITELY benefits from >noise reduction. Yet too many believe what works well for a big studio >super-deck is good for a home cassette deck! > >The other phenomena is a psychoacoustic trap: tape hiss often makes a >playback seem "brighter" to the untrained ear because of the increased >spectral energy above 5,000 cps. This can then mislead someone into >thinking that the noise reduction is dulling the sound (because it reduces >the hiss, and hence the misperceived "brightness" is reduced). > >This is why pro engineers in the 1970s spent years as apprentices laerning >how to LISTEN properly, with understanding of what they were hearing. > >Of course, mistracking Dolbys DO dull the sound, but your Nakamichi has a >Dolby that doesn't mistrack, right? Right! > >N-Joy! > > >Mark Hugo wrote: >> >>Totally right Kermit, >> >>I'm sure using the same hullucinogen as you. Hehe heh!! I think >>Nakamichi have great NR setups and I often use (usually use them). It >>used to be quite fashionable to shun NR on any decks at all times - I >>suspect people would like to be mistaken for serious recordists!! >>Seriously though, my brother for instance, said that in his experience, >>dolby robbed music of the "highs". You know, with enough beers under >>the belt, this sort of urban legend becomes a truth that eventually gets >>published in a hi-fi mag for all I know. However, I'm sure some decks >>NR was not exactly well implemented. >> >>Marc >> >> >>dre Richison wrote: >> >>>I have heard of people recordin(g) without dolby or >>>anything, no dbx nothing but the 70u button for good >>>tape, so they play it back that way, say it is much >>>louder dynamic etc, >> >> >>Too many audiophiles seem to "throw out" the proverbial "baby with the >> >>bath water." Noise reduction systems, if mistracking or miscalibrated, >> >>degrade sound. Solutions? Get the noise reduction working right. NOT shun >>noise reduction, as too many audiophiles do. >> >>The lack of noise reduction diminishes dynamic range. A good noise >>reduction not only increases dynamic range but reduices distortion in the >>recording. >> >>Go ahead and use your Nakamichi's noise reduction -- they got it >>right! >> >> >>>what do you think? >> >> >>Thoughts, mainly. Sometimes hallucinations. (Joking). >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From john_194600 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 01:17:33 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:17:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 3 Nak Decks for Sale In-Reply-To: <4220F25E.4070506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050227001733.40177.qmail@web54501.mail.yahoo.com> Carl, How about $200.00 for the ZX-9... John --- CC wrote: > I have three Nakamichi decks I wish to move to > somebody that will use > them. They are: > > 670zx works fine...missing three of four rubber > feet on bottom...all > knobs and switches present and in excellent cosmetic > condition > zx9 FF/REW works fine.....all you get when you > depress PLAY is a > clunk...I think that means a failed capstan > > 700 II ff/rew works and so does play...I was told > play is a little > slow...I've never tested the deck. All knobs and > other parts are > present and it is in good cosmetic condition. A > good parts deck or > possibly can be serviced and used. > > All three decks for 500. > > Carl > Oakland > > > > > > Gerald G. wrote: > > >Hello,this may be my last week on WEB TV.The reason > I am posting this is > >not 'cause I think you give a dog biscuit about > what i'm doing,but > >becuase i unfairly blasted,even "lambasted" "WEB > TV" in my recent post > >referring to my new LINUX "LYCORIS DESTOP LX 199.00 > WAL-MART computer. > >The orginal "WEB TV" was great for its time.It has > been obsolete for a > >long while,but it has continued to serve some > tecno-stragglers like > >myself,giving us the most basic I-Net service(but > not without a lot of > >problems recently) including photo upload > cabability.The Good news is > >that There is a now new updated version of > WEBTV,that allows a computer > >like efficiency when surfing the web- it even > allows streaming video and > >still lets you upload photos like the old > box,except you cannot use your > >CAmcorder anymore,but must use a digi-cam with a > card reader. "The new > >box" sells for 200.00.I highly rcommend this New > Web Tv box even for > >computer wizards.Its ease of use and simplicity of > operation far > >surpasses computers, and it will not Crash. I have > found out that the > >computer is something you must "sit down" to---go > through your fairly > >involved processess(log on etc.)and then you may > enjoy your Naktalk,your > >E-Bay,E-mail,or what have you. The New WEB TV BOX > is so easy, just,for > >example to get up in the morning,pop it on in an > instant,enjoy all your > >mail,E-bay,Naktalk and other favouites as well as > the news > >rightaway,and pop back off in a very short > time-effortless!Plus you can > >watch it on your 56 inch plasma like i > do...er..would.I am not saying to > >consider the WEB TV instead of computer,but > >rather to have it in additon to your > computer,should you be in a postion > >to afford both.MSN offers a "two for one" combo > subscription price for > >MSN TV I-Net service for the Windows system > computer and web tv service > >for the new WEB boX for ,like, 24.00 or less.In > would do this but i am > >running DESKTOP LX and this Isnt > supported,therefore,i wont be able to > >incur the cost of both a computer and The NewWEB TV > Box at > >present.Thanks for your generosity in allowing this > post,cause its not > >directly related to Nakamichi except insofar as > commuication with the > >NAKTALK goes- > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Feb 27 02:00:32 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:00:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Message-ID: <7316-42211BB0-4678@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Greetings and salutations! I would dearly like to open the floor for discussion on the lowly TYPE1 ,120 Cassette.I have rarely,if ever heard any serious interest or discussion on these Cassettes.This is really very surprising,because the "Metal "Masters,"Vertexes" etc,etc, are always quick to rate a responce.Also prolific is the archives on the TYpe II.Correct me if I am Mistaken,but The greaT NAKAMICHI would NOT have included the TYPE 1 in the bias circuit of my NAKS if it was not a serious audio recording tape.I have a great collection of vintage TYPE 1 cassettes which have the sturdiest,best built shells of any tapes i have ever seen-Memorex MRX2 oxide with the sliding shellcase,BASF FERRO EXTRA1,SONY double coated Feeri-Chrome,and a few others like "LARKSONG" and "SILVER".I have a large colection of pre-recorded cassettes which,i guess about half or more are junk to be thrown away or given to the thrift store.Many still sond very good,and some sound excellent.Most of these,except for a few,were recorded originally on TYPE 1.Is there any point on rerecording these onto fresh tape other than a great TYPE1?Is there any point even in using a NAK or will a good Yamaha dual dubbing deck suffice? One vintage tape-the BASF,actually has a "dynamic profile" in its package,so this is a tape that was designed by engineers to be taken very seriously.The current choice for TYPE 1's as far as i know are 1) Maxell UR 2)TDK D-90 3)Memorex 4)FUJI DR1,and the SONY HI-FI.Do these rate a comparison like the type two's,our are they destined to remain forewver as generic?I think that the new TDK type 1 still has the dynamic profile on its contents. thank you very much, gerald From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 01:30:35 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:30:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Feb 27 02:06:03 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:06:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] 3 Nak Decks for Sale Message-ID: <1d9.376fa820.2f5276fb@aol.com> Hi Carl, How much would you take for the broken ZX-9, never owned one! would be nice to have, let me know. Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 27 02:18:17 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:18:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <7316-42211BB0-4678@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000901c51c6a$3818fd00$75eb4c51@oemcomputer> I agree that some Type 1's can be very good. I'd dare to suggest that the bass reproduction on a TDK D is as good, if not slightly better, than with a TDK SA. It's horses for courses, and I expect most Type 1's would be plenty good enough in 99% of in car cassette players, that you'd be hard pressed to hear any difference between them and even a metal tape in that scenario, unless (of course) you drive a luxury limo that's dead quiet inside and not the normal family saloon or a truck!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 27 February 2005 01:01 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK > > > Greetings and salutations! I would dearly like to open the floor for > discussion on the lowly TYPE1 ,120 Cassette.I have rarely,if ever heard > any serious interest or discussion on these Cassettes.This is really > very surprising,because the "Metal "Masters,"Vertexes" etc,etc, are > always quick to rate a responce.Also prolific is the archives on the > TYpe II.Correct me if I am Mistaken,but The greaT NAKAMICHI would NOT > have included the TYPE 1 in the bias circuit of my NAKS if it was not a > serious audio recording tape.I have a great collection of vintage TYPE 1 > cassettes which have the sturdiest,best built shells of any tapes i have > ever seen-Memorex MRX2 oxide with the sliding shellcase,BASF FERRO > EXTRA1,SONY double coated Feeri-Chrome,and a few others like "LARKSONG" > and "SILVER".I have a large colection of pre-recorded cassettes which,i > guess about half or more are junk to be thrown away or given to the > thrift store.Many still sond very good,and some sound excellent.Most of > these,except for a few,were recorded originally on TYPE 1.Is there any > point on rerecording these onto fresh tape other than a great TYPE1?Is > there any point even in using a NAK or will a good Yamaha dual dubbing > deck suffice? One vintage tape-the BASF,actually has a "dynamic profile" > in its package,so this is a tape that was designed by engineers to be > taken very seriously.The current choice for TYPE 1's as far as i know > are 1) Maxell UR 2)TDK D-90 3)Memorex 4)FUJI DR1,and the SONY HI-FI.Do > these rate a comparison like the type two's,our are they destined to > remain forewver as generic?I think that the new TDK type 1 still has > the dynamic profile on its contents. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 02:32:17 2005 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:32:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Repairing scratches and edge wear In-Reply-To: <200502261101.j1QB0MbI010567@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050227013217.12716.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Touch-up painting is tricky, because it often shows up. Painting of the entire bonnet is better way to go. The best professionals for this kind of work are paintshops specialising in motorcycle work. They can do almost anything, because they have experience with custom work on motorcycle reservoirs. For D.I.Y. approach, the best apprach is to find some trashed stereo equipment and practice on it. NEVER try on your NAK first. Before painting, scratch has to be levelled with different grades of sandpaper and primer applied. KRYLON black spray paint for outdoor grills provides good results, plus it is resistant to higher temeperatures and will not crack. Good luck, B. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Feb 27 01:43:59 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:43:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422117CF.5010602@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Alex... Alex Cozac wrote: > Yes Kermit...your advice is 100% exactly...HOWEVER...with the Top of the > series Nak machines the Instructions advice that you can "Touch" +5 Db > with ferric & crome tapes, and can go till +8 with metal ones! I think > that this guy ask exactly in reference with Nak machines...or I'm wrong? > That's why I put the reply in terms of "generally" and "customarily." Every deck has its "sweet spot" of optimum levels. Also, professionals record their cassettes such that most of the music will be recorded at or below operating level (0 dB) with the briefest peaks just flicking into the + dB region. This ensure EVERY cassette deck, regardless of brand, can playback the tape without disortion. > > >> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:29:32 -0500 >> >> Hi Martin, >> >> Decibels, or dBs, express a ratio of levels, powers or voltages >> compared to a reference level. In any audio system 0 dB therefore is >> referred to some arbitrary point. In a cassette deck, "operating >> level" is customarily referred to a flux level (on the tape) of 165 >> nanoWebers/meter (IF I recall correctly) OR the magnetic flux >> resulting in some arbirtrary amount of distortion. Recording exactly >> at the 0 dB level will then result in whatever standard playback >> voltage is specified on the outputs (typically 100 mV to 500 mV). >> >> - dB means you're BELOW that reference, or operating, level; + dB >> means you're ABOVE that reference level. >> >> Generally, going above (+ dB) operating level increases distortion >> beyond what the manufacturer feels is acceptable (except on brief peaks). >> >> To achieve optimal distortion, noise and dynamic range from your >> recorder, most of the music will be recorded at or below operating >> level with the briefest peaks just flicking into the + dB region. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> >> martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: >> >>> Dear fellow Nakers, >>> Can anyone clarify what the minuses, the 0 and the pluses on the >>> peak level meters represent? >>> I have heard the term "operating level" referring to 0db and below >>> operating level referring to the minuses but am in the dark as to >>> what that means. >>> Martin >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Organize your inbox and send incoming messages to specific folders. >>> Learn more! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA >> 816-918-5058 cellphone >> 913-422-0957 business >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Sun Feb 27 02:52:24 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:52:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Repairing scratches In-Reply-To: <200502262312.j1QNC0VF011964@zxe.naks.com> References: <200502262312.j1QNC0VF011964@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8bb36fbe630f57fbc4f4e75c5eb5b1fb@mac.com> I confess I've never painted any hi-fi, but in general when painting already painted metal you need to first rough the entire surface with sandpaper, then prime it, then paint it. Without primer and a rough surface, the paint adheres poorly making it susceptible to scratches. Like I said, I've never painted electronics, but this method has worked well for bbq's and other painted metal surfaces. In other words, don't blame me if your Nak ends up looking like a Weber. Fred On Feb 26, 2005, at 3:12 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: BADANTH at aol.com > Date: February 26, 2005 3:55:46 AM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repairing scratches and edge wear > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > My experience with repairing scratches didn't go as good as described > by another member. I was told to sand the panel lightly and use > rustoleum flat black. While it looks fairly good in color it is even > more susceptible to scratches, not to mention the black comes off much > easier. I did this on my BX2 and while it looks better from afar I > would like to know a better solution myself. >   > Regards, > Anthony -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1712 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Sun Feb 27 03:01:14 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:01:14 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR Message-ID: <20050227020114.67458.qmail@web40627.mail.yahoo.com> Dolby usually crapped the sound totally on my RX-202 but for the first time EVER with using Dolby (B or C) with the new RX-505 all I get is...reduced noise. I've disliked Dolby on other (non Nak) decks too. I played back a tape I made on the 202 recorded with C on the 505 - sounded superb, no dulling whatsoever. Played back on the 202 using C on (and that was the deck it was recorded on!) it sounded - lifeless and dull and lacked dynamics. One would think that if the Dolby circuits on the 202 were tracking accurately on recording, then they would be on playback, or can this not be the case sometimes? Whatever the reason, I'm pleased as punch that I finally have a deck that Dolby is of real benefit in the 505. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 03:02:21 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:02:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D90E@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: Tom I too, am in need of the BX-1 service manual. If it can be sent directly to my email whenever it is sent to Maxwell it would be of great help to me. I'm just about to replace the orange caps and am troubleshooting intermittent noise in the right channel. Thanks. Regards, Bob bwana747 at hotmail.com >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:51:52 +1100 > >I have a copy of the BX-1 service manual but like Bala can you wait one >more >day so I can send it using highspeed bandwidth instead of 56k dial-up. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Maxwell Hu [mailto:maxwell_hu at hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:12 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > >hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service >manual for a BX-1? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 03:22:18 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:22:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <4220DA42.7040003@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050227022219.71781.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> The MR-1 does not have Microphone inputs. There are three inputs on the MR-1 and they are all Line level. The front panel inputs are 1/4" Balanced +4dBm. The rear panel has two sets of inputs, one is 1/4" Unbalanced -10dBV and the other is XLR Balanced +4dBm. (BTW - plugging into the rear 1/4" inputs will disable the XLR inputs) To use a microphone with the MR-1 an external mic pre or mixer with mic inputs is required. It does not have built in microphone preamps like the old 350, 500, 550, 700 and 1000 series decks --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Bert, > > Sorry ... fatigue does wonders for one's writing skills. > > NO, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built into > the > deck. > > ANY input labeled MIC or MICROPHONE has a preamplifier built into > that > input (just as any PHONO input incorporates an RIAA-equalized > preamplifier). Otherwise, the input would be labelled LINE or AUX > or > merely INPUT. > > Hope this clears things up! > > N-Joy! > > > baynett wrote: > > If the preamps are built into the deck then you're reply should > read. > > > > NO, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built > into the > > deck. > > > > So which is it do I need a preamp or not? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > >> Hi Bert, > >> > >> bert wrote: > >> > >>> Will the Nakamichi Microphone CM-100 work with the MR-1 > microphone > >>> inputs directly or is a preamplifier still needed? > >> > >> > >> > >> Yes, because the MR-1 microphone inputs ARE preamplifiers built > into > >> the deck. > >> > >> N-Joy! > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From c123666 at comcast.net Sun Feb 27 05:18:26 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:18:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 3 Nak Decks for Sale In-Reply-To: <20050227001733.40177.qmail@web54501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050227001733.40177.qmail@web54501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42214A12.4060500@comcast.net> John, I wish to sell all three at once. Carl John wrote: >Carl, > >How about $200.00 for the ZX-9... > >John >--- CC wrote: > > > >>I have three Nakamichi decks I wish to move to >>somebody that will use >>them. They are: >> >>670zx works fine...missing three of four rubber >>feet on bottom...all >>knobs and switches present and in excellent cosmetic >>condition >>zx9 FF/REW works fine.....all you get when you >>depress PLAY is a >>clunk...I think that means a failed capstan >> >>700 II ff/rew works and so does play...I was told >>play is a little >>slow...I've never tested the deck. All knobs and >>other parts are >>present and it is in good cosmetic condition. A >>good parts deck or >>possibly can be serviced and used. >> >>All three decks for 500. >> >>Carl >>Oakland >> >> >> >> >> >>Gerald G. wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello,this may be my last week on WEB TV.The reason >>> >>> >>I am posting this is >> >> >>>not 'cause I think you give a dog biscuit about >>> >>> >>what i'm doing,but >> >> >>>becuase i unfairly blasted,even "lambasted" "WEB >>> >>> >>TV" in my recent post >> >> >>>referring to my new LINUX "LYCORIS DESTOP LX 199.00 >>> >>> >>WAL-MART computer. >> >> >>>The orginal "WEB TV" was great for its time.It has >>> >>> >>been obsolete for a >> >> >>>long while,but it has continued to serve some >>> >>> >>tecno-stragglers like >> >> >>>myself,giving us the most basic I-Net service(but >>> >>> >>not without a lot of >> >> >>>problems recently) including photo upload >>> >>> >>cabability.The Good news is >> >> >>>that There is a now new updated version of >>> >>> >>WEBTV,that allows a computer >> >> >>>like efficiency when surfing the web- it even >>> >>> >>allows streaming video and >> >> >>>still lets you upload photos like the old >>> >>> >>box,except you cannot use your >> >> >>>CAmcorder anymore,but must use a digi-cam with a >>> >>> >>card reader. "The new >> >> >>>box" sells for 200.00.I highly rcommend this New >>> >>> >>Web Tv box even for >> >> >>>computer wizards.Its ease of use and simplicity of >>> >>> >>operation far >> >> >>>surpasses computers, and it will not Crash. I have >>> >>> >>found out that the >> >> >>>computer is something you must "sit down" to---go >>> >>> >>through your fairly >> >> >>>involved processess(log on etc.)and then you may >>> >>> >>enjoy your Naktalk,your >> >> >>>E-Bay,E-mail,or what have you. The New WEB TV BOX >>> >>> >>is so easy, just,for >> >> >>>example to get up in the morning,pop it on in an >>> >>> >>instant,enjoy all your >> >> >>>mail,E-bay,Naktalk and other favouites as well as >>> >>> >>the news >> >> >>>rightaway,and pop back off in a very short >>> >>> >>time-effortless!Plus you can >> >> >>>watch it on your 56 inch plasma like i >>> >>> >>do...er..would.I am not saying to >> >> >>>consider the WEB TV instead of computer,but >>>rather to have it in additon to your >>> >>> >>computer,should you be in a postion >> >> >>>to afford both.MSN offers a "two for one" combo >>> >>> >>subscription price for >> >> >>>MSN TV I-Net service for the Windows system >>> >>> >>computer and web tv service >> >> >>>for the new WEB boX for ,like, 24.00 or less.In >>> >>> >>would do this but i am >> >> >>>running DESKTOP LX and this Isnt >>> >>> >>supported,therefore,i wont be able to >> >> >>>incur the cost of both a computer and The NewWEB TV >>> >>> >>Box at >> >> >>>present.Thanks for your generosity in allowing this >>> >>> >>post,cause its not >> >> >>>directly related to Nakamichi except insofar as >>> >>> >>commuication with the >> >> >>>NAKTALK goes- >>> >>>thank you very much, >>>gerald >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Register your Nak today! >>> >>> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> >>mailinglist >> >> >>>Maintain your account here: >>> >>> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From flifton at mac.com Sun Feb 27 05:20:11 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:20:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] cassette car stereo repair In-Reply-To: <200502262312.j1QNC0VF011964@zxe.naks.com> References: <200502262312.j1QNC0VF011964@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Folk, I have an Alpine 7618 cassette head unit that needs an overhaul (new bulbs, belts, etc.) Does anyone know of a reputable US repair person who will deal with car stereo tape decks? Where do you all send your Naks? Speaking of which, the reviews tout this deck as a Nak killer, but I confess I've never done an A/B comparison. I stumbled across one for a price I couldn't refuse and it sounded great compared to everything else in the boutique. Has anyone ever heard this deck who could compare it to some of the finer Nak car decks? It does have (IMHO) a very good sounding tape section and it certainly is built rock-solid. I've had it since buying it as a showroom demo in 1992 or so. At the time, it was Alpine's flagship deck. It's outlived two of the cars it was installed in and I'm hoping it will go through a third (and I keep my cars a really, really long time). I'm amazed that the only thing really wrong with it is that many of the wee lights are burned out. It controls a six disc changer, which is enough for me because I have to stop and pee after six discs anyway. It pulls in stations well, has a proper knob for volume, etc and a pretty dot matrix display that's actually useful (rather than displaying pictures of dolphins, britney spears, etc that the modern gear seems to inexplicably do.) What I really like about it is that it is a pre-amp only, so there are no tiny, useless amplifiers in it to heat the thing up and burn it out prematurely. I'm a good test case for car equipment. I often drive my aging subarus on extremely poor "roads," sometimes too fast and sometimes at 2 mph in four-wheel low because the boulders are so very big. I seldom clean my cars, though they fill with dust and fur and other foulness from my two hairy australian shepherds (dogs). If anyone would like to send me a nice new 700II or whatever, I'd be glad to torture test it for a decade or two and document the results :-) Looking forward, as always, to hearing your expertise. Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 08:36:20 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:36:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Message-ID: Shalom Gerald! It's very nice & cute, from you that you open a "Forum"...on type 1 cassettes, HOWEVER...120 minutes never was advised in any cassettes markers as a "Safe"...lenght cassette, so I will chat with you only till 90 minutes lenght...with your heart fully license! Once...during the 80 > 90ties. type 1 was accepted for "Mainly" home user recording, and almost all the "Brands"...made fairly till superb Type 1 formula..., however among the years and with much better heads and electronics and of course the improved results with these Nakamichi products, I think that the sales for Type 1 cassetes decline/decay for the better and near same prices Type 2 Chrome and likewise formula, so the Type 1 was with the years less better...with exceptions of course...Top brands never will "Dirt" their name..so continue fabricating/manufacturing Type 1. Now you wrote those "Ferro-Chrome" or named Type 3 cassettes, Nakamichi NEVER...but NEVER..., add this Type in their whole legacy products...I have once a Akai Top of the Range during end 70ties, with this Type 3 possibleness to use cassette. The BETTER one was from Scotch...black packaged. I acquired also the same memores taht you state, lovely sounding product...I will look forward, where I lay it; to try it again with my received Dragon machine...as till today a year that I received NO Type 1 was ever loaded or recorded/heard...on my lovely Dragon! Also here in Israel, Type 1 of "Premium quality do not exist more or is so scarce...that Type 2 is much more cheaper...SO...WHY to pay more for less better tape formula???! Also Gerald, Type 1 it's less dynamic that Type 2 comparable with! So...Gerald..., my last sentence...I will remain loyal to Type 2 Chrome cassettes! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:00:32 >-0600 > >Greetings and salutations! I would dearly like to open the floor for >discussion on the lowly TYPE1 ,120 Cassette.I have rarely,if ever heard >any serious interest or discussion on these Cassettes.This is really >very surprising,because the "Metal "Masters,"Vertexes" etc,etc, are >always quick to rate a responce.Also prolific is the archives on the >TYpe II.Correct me if I am Mistaken,but The greaT NAKAMICHI would NOT >have included the TYPE 1 in the bias circuit of my NAKS if it was not a >serious audio recording tape.I have a great collection of vintage TYPE 1 >cassettes which have the sturdiest,best built shells of any tapes i have >ever seen-Memorex MRX2 oxide with the sliding shellcase,BASF FERRO >EXTRA1,SONY double coated Feeri-Chrome,and a few others like "LARKSONG" >and "SILVER".I have a large colection of pre-recorded cassettes which,i >guess about half or more are junk to be thrown away or given to the >thrift store.Many still sond very good,and some sound excellent.Most of >these,except for a few,were recorded originally on TYPE 1.Is there any >point on rerecording these onto fresh tape other than a great TYPE1?Is >there any point even in using a NAK or will a good Yamaha dual dubbing >deck suffice? One vintage tape-the BASF,actually has a "dynamic profile" >in its package,so this is a tape that was designed by engineers to be >taken very seriously.The current choice for TYPE 1's as far as i know >are 1) Maxell UR 2)TDK D-90 3)Memorex 4)FUJI DR1,and the SONY HI-FI.Do >these rate a comparison like the type two's,our are they destined to >remain forewver as generic?I think that the new TDK type 1 still has >the dynamic profile on its contents. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 09:46:36 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:46:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual In-Reply-To: <169930-22005262623394520@M2W045.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20050227084636.34126.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, When I meant manual, I meant the service manual. However, if yours is the user manual, please do send it over also since it would be helpful for me also. Thanks and Regards Bala --- "fff-music at millic.com.ar" wrote: > Hi Tom, > > if you can send me the operation manual, it will > also be helpfull. > I'll wait until is good for you > Thanks a lot > Fabio > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:49:47 +1100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service > manual > > > Hi Bala, I have a copy I can send to you but sorry > Fabio I don't have the > service manual. Bala if you can wait for one day > more I'll send it to your > email account but I'm on 56 dial-up today and don't > have the bandwidth. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service > manual > > > Hi, > > I am looking for a manual also. Great if > someone has it. > > Bala > > fff-music at millic.com.ar wrote: > > Hi, does anyone has the Nakamichi 700 II service > manual ? > Appreciatte any help. > Regards > fabio > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > _____ > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Feb 27 11:06:34 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:06:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller cleaner Message-ID: <42F1D83F-88A7-11D9-A727-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> Kermit said: Hi Thomas, I'd strongly recommend against it. You have no way of knowing what's in this stuff -- and if it's being sold mainly via a "professional" eBay seller, then I'd be quite wary, to be polite. E caveat emptor. A bad head cleaner, at best, does nothing but waste your money, and, at worst, leaves a film on the head or even damages plastic parts. This is the reply I got from the seller. Any further comments on it, please? David You asked: "Please advise the substance contained in the pinch roller cleaner and any backup information. 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ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:30:35 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 11:36:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:36:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Message-ID: Bravo Gra' I forgot...that issue...Car listening...for that I agreed 100% with your statement! However, as here in Israel Fuji Z-2 is cheaper that any Ferric Type 1 cassette, and to my knowledge...hold on the heads and lower compartment clean...that any cheap ferric...SO I will continue using Type 2 formula...till will be NOT more available...at affordable prices!!! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 >01:18:17 -0000 > >I agree that some Type 1's can be very good. I'd dare to suggest that the >bass reproduction on a TDK D is as good, if not slightly better, than with >a >TDK SA. It's horses for courses, and I expect most Type 1's would be >plenty >good enough in 99% of in car cassette players, that you'd be hard pressed >to >hear any difference between them and even a metal tape in that scenario, >unless (of course) you drive a luxury limo that's dead quiet inside and not >the normal family saloon or a truck!! > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Gerald G. > > Sent: 27 February 2005 01:01 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK > > > > > > Greetings and salutations! I would dearly like to open the floor for > > discussion on the lowly TYPE1 ,120 Cassette.I have rarely,if ever heard > > any serious interest or discussion on these Cassettes.This is really > > very surprising,because the "Metal "Masters,"Vertexes" etc,etc, are > > always quick to rate a responce.Also prolific is the archives on the > > TYpe II.Correct me if I am Mistaken,but The greaT NAKAMICHI would NOT > > have included the TYPE 1 in the bias circuit of my NAKS if it was not a > > serious audio recording tape.I have a great collection of vintage TYPE 1 > > cassettes which have the sturdiest,best built shells of any tapes i have > > ever seen-Memorex MRX2 oxide with the sliding shellcase,BASF FERRO > > EXTRA1,SONY double coated Feeri-Chrome,and a few others like "LARKSONG" > > and "SILVER".I have a large colection of pre-recorded cassettes which,i > > guess about half or more are junk to be thrown away or given to the > > thrift store.Many still sond very good,and some sound excellent.Most of > > these,except for a few,were recorded originally on TYPE 1.Is there any > > point on rerecording these onto fresh tape other than a great TYPE1?Is > > there any point even in using a NAK or will a good Yamaha dual dubbing > > deck suffice? One vintage tape-the BASF,actually has a "dynamic profile" > > in its package,so this is a tape that was designed by engineers to be > > taken very seriously.The current choice for TYPE 1's as far as i know > > are 1) Maxell UR 2)TDK D-90 3)Memorex 4)FUJI DR1,and the SONY HI-FI.Do > > these rate a comparison like the type two's,our are they destined to > > remain forewver as generic?I think that the new TDK type 1 still has > > the dynamic profile on its contents. > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 11:45:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:45:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level Message-ID: Shalom Kermit! 100% agree!!!!. With my two heads Kenwood KX-5010 deck, when I hear now trough my lovely Dragon...IT'S NOT THE SAME...as when was recorded trough my Dragon and after so playback...the difference is simple...AMAZING...pro to the Dragon. And the level on my Dragon when I play/listen a cassette recorded trough my Kenwood just touch..the +1...however DON'T GO NEAR TO THE DRAGON'S DYNAMIC RANGE... Painfulness...but certainly true! Kermit...did you have some advice/knowledge why my Dragon refuse to accept such "Ultimate" Basf cassette???, (Did you sow the photos???) Thanks! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:43:59 -0500 > >Hi Alex... > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Yes Kermit...your advice is 100% exactly...HOWEVER...with the Top of the >>series Nak machines the Instructions advice that you can "Touch" +5 Db >>with ferric & crome tapes, and can go till +8 with metal ones! I think >>that this guy ask exactly in reference with Nak machines...or I'm wrong? >> > >That's why I put the reply in terms of "generally" and "customarily." Every >deck has its "sweet spot" of optimum levels. > >Also, professionals record their cassettes such that most of the music will >be recorded at or below operating level (0 dB) with the briefest peaks just >flicking into the + dB region. This ensure EVERY cassette deck, regardless >of brand, can playback the tape without disortion. > >> >> >>>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>>Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>>Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >>>Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:29:32 -0500 >>> >>>Hi Martin, >>> >>>Decibels, or dBs, express a ratio of levels, powers or voltages compared >>>to a reference level. In any audio system 0 dB therefore is referred to >>>some arbitrary point. In a cassette deck, "operating level" is >>>customarily referred to a flux level (on the tape) of 165 >>>nanoWebers/meter (IF I recall correctly) OR the magnetic flux resulting >>>in some arbirtrary amount of distortion. Recording exactly at the 0 dB >>>level will then result in whatever standard playback voltage is specified >>>on the outputs (typically 100 mV to 500 mV). >>> >>>- dB means you're BELOW that reference, or operating, level; + dB means >>>you're ABOVE that reference level. >>> >>>Generally, going above (+ dB) operating level increases distortion beyond >>>what the manufacturer feels is acceptable (except on brief peaks). >>> >>>To achieve optimal distortion, noise and dynamic range from your >>>recorder, most of the music will be recorded at or below operating level >>>with the briefest peaks just flicking into the + dB region. >>> >>>Hope this helps! >>> >>> >>>martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: >>> >>>>Dear fellow Nakers, >>>> Can anyone clarify what the minuses, the 0 and the pluses on the peak >>>>level meters represent? >>>>I have heard the term "operating level" referring to 0db and below >>>>operating level referring to the minuses but am in the dark as to what >>>>that means. >>>> Martin >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>Organize your inbox and send incoming messages to specific folders. >>>>Learn more! >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>16371 Lake Point Drive >>>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>>USA >>>816-918-5058 cellphone >>>913-422-0957 business >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 12:03:11 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:03:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller cleaner Message-ID: Shalom David! I have in my large collection a Akai cleaning kit HC-550P one "Pink Liquid"...for "Head Cleaner"..& another one "Blue Liquid"..for "Rubber Cleaner"...the liquid evaporate 1/4 of the quantity during those 20 years of been storage... however "Isopropyl Alcohol"...will be cheaper and also will do the job perfectly! (PS...My Akai kit was used 3 times since 20 years ago!...I just come up recently!!!) Good Luck! ALEX! >From: David Thompson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller cleaner >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:06:34 +1000 > >Kermit said: >Hi Thomas, > >I'd strongly recommend against it. You have no way of knowing what's in >this stuff -- and if it's being sold mainly via a "professional" eBay >seller, then I'd be quite wary, to be polite. E caveat emptor. > >A bad head cleaner, at best, does nothing but waste your money, and, at >worst, leaves a film on the head or even damages plastic parts. > >This is the reply I got from the seller. Any further comments on it, >please? >David > > You asked: >"Please advise the substance contained in the pinch roller cleaner and any >backup information. Thanks David" > >water free alcohol,D-Limonene,Chlorinated Paraffin,(Flammable) > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Feb 27 13:35:18 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:35:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: <29.6dd65a8a.2f531886@aol.com> Tom, I'm assuming this service manual will also work for my BX-2 and wouldn't mind having a copy on hand if possible? Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My gripe is compatibility with other non Nak decks! If I believe I am to use the tape on Non Nak decks then I do not use Dolby at all. No one has mentioned DBX! I have recently coupled a ZX7 to a DBX NR unit. The results are amazing!! Noise levels thru the floor! dynamic range thru the ceiling!! and to my ears no degradation to the signal quality. BUT also absolutely no compatibility with non DBX equipped decks. I was told that Nak tried this route once , with a stand alone unit using some obscure compression / decompression , but without success, is that true? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Iain McGhee [mailto:iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au] Sent: 27 February 2005 02:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR Dolby usually crapped the sound totally on my RX-202 but for the first time EVER with using Dolby (B or C) with the new RX-505 all I get is...reduced noise. I've disliked Dolby on other (non Nak) decks too. I played back a tape I made on the 202 recorded with C on the 505 - sounded superb, no dulling whatsoever. Played back on the 202 using C on (and that was the deck it was recorded on!) it sounded - lifeless and dull and lacked dynamics. One would think that if the Dolby circuits on the 202 were tracking accurately on recording, then they would be on playback, or can this not be the case sometimes? Whatever the reason, I'm pleased as punch that I finally have a deck that Dolby is of real benefit in the 505. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From man626 at webtv.net Sun Feb 27 14:34:45 2005 From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:34:45 -0600 Subject: RE-[NAKTALK] TYPE1 120 bias TALK Message-ID: <20950-4221CC75-135@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> Thanks Alex,and as always, yes,Shalom!! Dear Sir...great to hear your heartfully advice on the TYPE1. I would like to hear More on the SCOTCH brand in general(its history and products).I also would LOVE an answer to one Issue that troubles me! WHY?? WHY-no,o POR QUE? usar lo TYPo DOS mechanismo cassette' caundo lo recordar originale fue hace con TYpo UNO? Come se dice-parace que a mi,que no se una idea buena.Por los cassettes pre-recordar fue hace en typo uno no lo oiste hacia mejor lo musica por lo typo 2.In english-why why?dear boys, re-record a prerecorded cassette originally recorded on type 1 onto type 2? there is nothing to be gained,since you cannot add anythig to the sound on a rerecording that was not originally there ,can you??Please someone correct me if i am wrong here-i really would like to know for sure.Also,i dont think theres much point in using a NAK for rerecording most of these pre-recorded cassette of marginal quality is there? I thik a nie dual-dubber like my YAMAHA should be fine? From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Sun Feb 27 15:10:43 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:10:43 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Type 1 tapes Message-ID: <20050227141043.89074.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> TDK AD-X was a VERY good Type 1 tape, but it is not produced anymore. I'm not sure exactly when it went out of production. TDK AD is also a good Type 1, however depending on where you live you may or may not be able to purchase AD. We have AD in Australia, I bought one last year and was quite happy with it to be honest. I wouldn't touch TDK D with a ten foot bargepole to be honest. Further down the TDK tree in type 1 is B - for Bad I'd say. AD-X was better than an ordinary (read not very good) Type 2 cassette definitely. Maybe not quite as good as a GOOD type 2. Speaking of tapes, I just got 125 TDK-MA90 metal from the last batch before discontinuation at the original price ($4.00 AU or about $3.05 US) - how's that? Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 27 15:37:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:37:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR - Colin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c51cd9$e18b2240$a3ef4c51@oemcomputer> "I was told that Nak tried this route once , with a stand alone unit using > some obscure compression / decompression , but without success, is that > true? > > Colin" Yes, the High Com units I and II, the successor to the I. I know Tom quite likes them but I never did take to the High Com II I bought. (That purchase was one of the most significant "lemons" of my 2nd hand hi fi buying over the last few years! I foolishly paid top-wack for it because it was in such good condition, but I have never been more disappointed in a hi fi purchase save for some metal C110 tapes I bought that my ZX-9 insisted on chewing up and spitting out! Never tried the DBX NR but I have, and occasionally still do, use the DBX 3BX dynamic range expander. What I particularly like about the DBX gear I've heard thus far is that they seem not to make any discernible (to my ear) degradation of sound. However, I only use the DBX at low levels and generally only with very dynamically compressed recordings off FM radio or, occasionally, off some poorly engineered vinyl. Gra' Gra' > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 16:28:51 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:28:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Type 1 tapes In-Reply-To: <20050227141043.89074.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050227141043.89074.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b1050227072874b89e56@mail.gmail.com> The successor to the AD/AD-X line wasn't too bad either - the AR/AR-X series. George On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:10:43 +1100 (EST), Iain McGhee wrote: > TDK AD-X was a VERY good Type 1 tape, but it is not > produced anymore. I'm not sure exactly when it went > out of production. TDK AD is also a good Type 1, > however depending on where you live you may or may not > be able to purchase AD. We have AD in Australia, I > bought one last year and was quite happy with it to be > honest. I wouldn't touch TDK D with a ten foot > bargepole to be honest. Further down the TDK tree in > type 1 is B - for Bad I'd say. > > AD-X was better than an ordinary (read not very good) > Type 2 cassette definitely. Maybe not quite as good > as a GOOD type 2. > > Speaking of tapes, I just got 125 TDK-MA90 metal from > the last batch before discontinuation at the original > price ($4.00 AU or about $3.05 US) - how's that? > > Iain > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 27 16:52:32 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:52:32 -0000 Subject: RE-[NAKTALK] TYPE1 120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <20950-4221CC75-135@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000701c51ce4$5962de20$eb79893e@oemcomputer> At the risk of repeating myself ... I reckon there might be a reason to record a poor quality music recording on a Type 1 onto a Type 2 if you use a Pioneer with FLEX! The Type 2 recorded version is likely to sound much better than its "parent" on the Type 1. Wanna give it a try? Send me your tapes and I'll record from your Type 1 onto a Type 2, from the Pioneer/Flex onto a Nak ZX-9. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 27 February 2005 13:35 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE-[NAKTALK] TYPE1 120 bias TALK > > > Thanks Alex,and as always, yes,Shalom!! Dear Sir...great to hear your > heartfully advice on the TYPE1. I would like to hear More on the SCOTCH > brand in general(its history and products).I also would LOVE an answer > to one Issue that troubles me! WHY?? WHY-no,o POR QUE? usar lo TYPo DOS > mechanismo cassette' caundo lo recordar originale fue hace con TYpo > UNO? Come se dice-parace que a mi,que no se una idea buena.Por los > cassettes pre-recordar fue hace en typo uno no lo oiste hacia mejor lo > musica por lo typo 2.In english-why why?dear boys, re-record a > prerecorded cassette originally recorded on type 1 onto type 2? there > is nothing to be gained,since you cannot add anythig to the sound on a > rerecording that was not originally there ,can you??Please someone > correct me if i am wrong here-i really would like to know for > sure.Also,i dont think theres much point in using a NAK for rerecording > most of these pre-recorded cassette of marginal quality is there? I thik > a nie dual-dubber like my YAMAHA should be fine? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 17:04:28 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:04:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D90E@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: Hello Tom, I would be very happy to get a copy also. At the moment I do not have any problems with that small beauty (BX-1), but heaven knows... Please send the file to: pestacx at citromail.hu That is surely able to receive bigger files too (unlike my Hotmail I write from). Thank you in advance! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual >I have a copy of the BX-1 service manual but like Bala can you wait one >more > day so I can send it using highspeed bandwidth instead of 56k dial-up. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxwell Hu [mailto:maxwell_hu at hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service > manual for a BX-1? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kenkirk at gte.net Sun Feb 27 18:22:04 2005 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:22:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette car stereo repair Message-ID: <422201BC.4060508@gte.net> Fred says: "Hi Folk, I have an Alpine 7618 cassette head unit that needs an overhaul (new bulbs, belts, etc.) Does anyone know of a reputable US repair person who will deal with car stereo tape decks? Where do you all send your Naks? Speaking of which, the reviews tout this deck as a Nak killer, but I confess I've never done an A/B comparison. I stumbled across one for a price I couldn't refuse and it sounded great compared to everything else in the boutique. Has anyone ever heard this deck who could compare it to some of the finer Nak car decks? It does have (IMHO) a very good sounding tape section and it certainly is built rock-solid. I've had it since buying it as a showroom demo in 1992 or so. At the time, it was Alpine's flagship deck. It's outlived two of the cars it was installed in and I'm hoping it will go through a third (and I keep my cars a really, really long time). I'm amazed that the only thing really wrong with it is that many of the wee lights are burned out. It controls a six disc changer, which is enough for me because I have to stop and pee after six discs anyway. It pulls in stations well, has a proper knob for volume, etc and a pretty dot matrix display that's actually useful (rather than displaying pictures of dolphins, britney spears, etc that the modern gear seems to inexplicably do.) What I really like about it is that it is a pre-amp only, so there are no tiny, useless amplifiers in it to heat the thing up and burn it out prematurely. I'm a good test case for car equipment. I often drive my aging subarus on extremely poor "roads," sometimes too fast and sometimes at 2 mph in four-wheel low because the boulders are so very big. I seldom clean my cars, though they fill with dust and fur and other foulness from my two hairy australian shepherds (dogs). If anyone would like to send me a nice new 700II or whatever, I'd be glad to torture test it for a decade or two and document the results :-) Looking forward, as always, to hearing your expertise." Ken replies: I have this same deck. It is as you say, one of the best ever. I have never had to have mine serviced. But a year ago I thought it was broken, but it turned out to be a broken trace on a equalizer. Anyway, in the process I found this place in Colorado that seemed professional on the phone. You can check out the web site and give them a call. Good luck!! Ken http://www.dtrdenver.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 18:47:14 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:47:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Type 1 tapes Message-ID: Shalom Iain! Yes the price for such quantity of TDK-MA90 minutes is really very acceptable...I personally don't like to use Metal type cassette, however the price is superbly good...Enjoyed recording on these noble cassettes. Yes the AD-X was the same Nakamichi EX-2 cassette one by one similarly...housing wrapping different. I already wrote, that here in Israel type 2 from Fuji brand model Z-2 cost me ONE US DOLLAR each, so why look for lower quality? Any modern Type 1 ferric is lower-ranking...that those Fuji Z-2!!! Regards, ALEX! >From: Iain McGhee >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Type 1 tapes >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:10:43 +1100 (EST) > >TDK AD-X was a VERY good Type 1 tape, but it is not >produced anymore. I'm not sure exactly when it went >out of production. TDK AD is also a good Type 1, >however depending on where you live you may or may not >be able to purchase AD. We have AD in Australia, I >bought one last year and was quite happy with it to be >honest. I wouldn't touch TDK D with a ten foot >bargepole to be honest. Further down the TDK tree in >type 1 is B - for Bad I'd say. > >AD-X was better than an ordinary (read not very good) >Type 2 cassette definitely. Maybe not quite as good >as a GOOD type 2. > >Speaking of tapes, I just got 125 TDK-MA90 metal from >the last batch before discontinuation at the original >price ($4.00 AU or about $3.05 US) - how's that? > >Iain > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 19:07:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:07:04 +0000 Subject: RE-[NAKTALK] TYPE1 120 bias TALK Message-ID: Great Buddy! I never wrote on copied an a "Pre-Recorded" cassette to another brand new cassette, sorry my lovely Gerald..for my ignorance! Regarding the Scotch Ferro-Chrome type, I have 3 or 4 of those, now with my lovely Dragon...of course I cant use it. Were fully "Black" coating emulsion tape...and with my Akai during those years sound superbly, today Scotch do not exist anymore...or 100% sure if exist they don't make cassette format anymore! Of course Gerald...if you want to reproduce again a cassette your double cassette deck Yamaha...is fine...don't look how to spell money in something much more sophisticated! Continue ascertained your Spanish! So We will be able to intercommunicate better! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE-[NAKTALK] TYPE1 120 bias TALK >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:34:45 -0600 > >Thanks Alex,and as always, yes,Shalom!! Dear Sir...great to hear your >heartfully advice on the TYPE1. I would like to hear More on the SCOTCH >brand in general(its history and products).I also would LOVE an answer >to one Issue that troubles me! WHY?? WHY-no,o POR QUE? usar lo TYPo DOS >mechanismo cassette' caundo lo recordar originale fue hace con TYpo >UNO? Come se dice-parace que a mi,que no se una idea buena.Por los >cassettes pre-recordar fue hace en typo uno no lo oiste hacia mejor lo >musica por lo typo 2.In english-why why?dear boys, re-record a >prerecorded cassette originally recorded on type 1 onto type 2? there >is nothing to be gained,since you cannot add anythig to the sound on a >rerecording that was not originally there ,can you??Please someone >correct me if i am wrong here-i really would like to know for >sure.Also,i dont think theres much point in using a NAK for rerecording >most of these pre-recorded cassette of marginal quality is there? I thik >a nie dual-dubber like my YAMAHA should be fine? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From slonk at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 27 19:45:16 2005 From: slonk at xs4all.nl (Slonk) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:45:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naka 582 playback only replacement without 'jengel' Message-ID: <000501c51cfc$7af79770$0700a8c0@brander> Hi! After many years of happy taping form 1980's a fault popped up in my Nak 582 which never could be fixed properly by Transtec (former Nak distributer in the Netherlands). It sounds like static discharge during playback (pops, ticks etc). At this time in history tape recording is no longer done (by me). However, i would like to use my large tape collection a bit longer! Therefore i started a seach to a device which only has to be able to PLAY my existing tapes. It must be possible to properly aling its head to my old tapes, and i guess dolby levels have to be the same. Most important is: is has to be able to playback the piano without problems (jutter), and we all know how difficult this is... Many years ago, in a stupid state of mind, i decided that as the Nak does not use the spring-and-felt device form an audio cassette, this could be removed ;-(, so a replacement deck should be able to cope with that.. So far, i've been unsuccesfull. Any suggestions out there? Jochem From c123666 at comcast.net Sun Feb 27 19:52:26 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:52:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 3 Nak Decks for Sale In-Reply-To: <1d9.376fa820.2f5276fb@aol.com> References: <1d9.376fa820.2f5276fb@aol.com> Message-ID: <422216EA.3090207@comcast.net> Ali, Only want to sell all three. The 670zx works fine although it is missing three of its four rubber feet. ZX9 was my deck of choice until the capstan failed; bummer. I use the CR7A now. Carl BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Carl, How much would you take for the broken ZX-9, never owned > one! would be nice to have, let me know. Thanks! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Feb 27 21:09:35 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:09:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller cleaner In-Reply-To: <42F1D83F-88A7-11D9-A727-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> References: <42F1D83F-88A7-11D9-A727-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> Message-ID: <422228FF.2030008@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, Actually, that's one of the formulae for RUBBING ALCOHOL! It's fine for your $29.00 cheapie battery powered mono cassette player that you do not care about BUT NOT a good stereo deck. It'll dry out and prematurely harden the pinch roller. N-JoY! David Thompson wrote: > Kermit said: > Hi Thomas, > > I'd strongly recommend against it. You have no way of knowing what's in > this stuff -- and if it's being sold mainly via a "professional" eBay > seller, then I'd be quite wary, to be polite. E caveat emptor. > > A bad head cleaner, at best, does nothing but waste your money, and, at > worst, leaves a film on the head or even damages plastic parts. > > This is the reply I got from the seller. Any further comments on it, > please? > David > > You asked: > /"Please advise the substance contained in the pinch roller cleaner and > any backup information. Thanks David" > > /water free alcohol,D-Limonene,Chlorinated Paraffin,(Flammable) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Feb 28 01:16:45 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:16:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] Naka 582 playback only replacement without 'jengel' Message-ID: <1c9.23dae74a.2f53bced@aol.com> Hi Jocheum, Get!! another Nakamichi to play and yes! record as well!! :) Hope my two bit! helps you! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 04:10:41 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:10:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42228BB1.3010006@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John! John Berger wrote: > You can pretty easily convince Dolby skeptics that Nakamichi did it right > if you have a 3-head Nak deck. Play a CD (or album) with good > high-frequency content and good dynamics, and record it. First, record it > with Dolby off, and switch back and forth between tape and source. Then > continue recording, but keep the monitoring on Tape and switch the Dolby > circuits in and out. If your deck is properly calibrated and aligned, > the highs will still be there at equal levels in either Dolby NR position, > but the tape hiss will drop quite significantly. Point out to them that > the highs are still there, if it's done right. > Great points! Absolutely spot on! I'll remember your demo technique -- fabulous! Dolby can be frustrating in its tendency to dull the sound (unless properly aligned and calibrated). This usually occurs because often the Dolby expands the high frequency content during decode slightly more than it the signal was compressed during encode. Besides calibration errors, excessive high-frequency content during recording or tape saturation nonlinearities may contribute to the problem. The dulling effect can be avoided or minimized to the point that little or no perceptible dulling will occur, though. By the way, 120 uS EQ causes fewer problems with Dolby than 70 uS EQ does, so a chrome tape recorded with 120 uS EQ is an excellent way to make a good Dolby recording. My 600 and 600-II allow that nonstandard setting. Regardless of the headroom of the deck, or what the instruction manual indicates, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB (except for very, very, very brief peaks) if you’re using Dolby B or C. Why? Two reasons: First, because the encode/decode process often loses accuracy above 0 dB. For many Nakamichi cassette decks, and other brands as well, 0 dB is the same as the Dolby calibration level. Second, because cassette tapes typically have only +3 to +4 dB maximum output levels. So, flux levels above 0 dB push the tape into its nonlinear region, exacerbating Dolby decode errors. So, how do you solve problem? Mainly, for fear of repetition, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB. Don’t be seduced by the fact the meter reads +7 dB. The recorder provides its ultimate level of performance only at, or below, 0 dB if you're using ANY noise reduction, Dolby, dbx, HiComm, whatever. Many Nakamichi decks let you fine tune the bias by recording a 400 cps tone at 0 dB (the Dolby calibration level using the the Dolby calibration tone). So, you can do what the pros do to tweak the sound of their studio recorders: vary the bias to alter the high frequency content as you record. In essence, a sneaky way to EQ the deck in a limited way. Underbiasing (setting the bias deliberately low) by no more than 2 dB is one trick the pros use to make Dolby noise reductions sound crystal clear. If the source is quite bright in its tonal balance, overbiasing (setting the bias deliberately high) by no more than 2 dB can help your Dolby from dulling the sound. Hope this helps those on the list who experience dulling of their sound when using Dolby! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 04:15:25 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:15:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka 582 playback only replacement without 'jengel' In-Reply-To: <000501c51cfc$7af79770$0700a8c0@brander> References: <000501c51cfc$7af79770$0700a8c0@brander> Message-ID: <42228CCD.2020100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jochem, Slonk wrote: > Hi! > > After many years of happy taping form 1980's a fault popped up in my Nak > 582 which never could be fixed properly by Transtec (former Nak > distributer in the Netherlands). It sounds like static discharge during > playback (pops, ticks etc). > I'm unfamiliar with that deck, but I've seen the propblem in other recorders caused by 1) a bad ground connection either to the head or to the chassis; or 2) a faulty capacitor intermittently discharging. > At this time in history tape recording is no longer done (by me). > However, i would like to use my large tape collection a bit longer! > > Therefore i started a seach to a device which only has to be able to > PLAY my existing tapes. It must be possible to properly aling its head > to my old tapes, and i guess dolby levels have to be the same. Most > important is: is has to be able to playback the piano without problems > (jutter), and we all know how difficult this is... Many years ago, in a > stupid state of mind, i decided that as the Nak does not use the > spring-and-felt device form an audio cassette, this could be removed > ;-(, so a replacement deck should be able to cope with that.. > > So far, i've been unsuccesfull. Any suggestions out there? You'll have to replace the shells of every cassette that you removed the felt pad from. Or replace the felt pad. Or find another Nak with a pad lifter and copy the tapes to another tape or medium. Hope this helps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 04:17:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:17:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42228D46.6060600@woods-and-waters.com> Shalom Alex, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Kermit...did you have some advice/knowledge why my Dragon refuse to > accept such "Ultimate" Basf cassette???, (Did you sow the photos???) Thanks! I'm stumped but looking into it. Maybe BASF gives the Dragon indigestion? (I'm joking.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 04:20:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:20:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <20050227022219.71781.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050227022219.71781.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42228DFA.6030408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott! Thanks for the correction! Bert had asked about MIC inputs having preamps. Not being familiar with the MR-1 specifically, I assumed it had mic inputs because of that. Learn something new every day! Thanks! Isn't the MR-1 portable, or am I thinking of a different deck? Scott Johnson wrote: > The MR-1 does not have Microphone inputs. There are three inputs on > the MR-1 and they are all Line level. > > The front panel inputs are 1/4" Balanced +4dBm. The rear panel has > two sets of inputs, one is 1/4" Unbalanced -10dBV and the other is > XLR Balanced +4dBm. (BTW - plugging into the rear 1/4" inputs will > disable the XLR inputs) > > To use a microphone with the MR-1 an external mic pre or mixer with > mic inputs is required. It does not have built in microphone preamps > like the old 350, 500, 550, 700 and 1000 series decks. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 04:25:37 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:25:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <7316-42211BB0-4678@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> References: <7316-42211BB0-4678@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <42228F31.8090008@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gerald, The best Type I, 120uS cassettes can exhbit lower midrange distortion than Type II, but will have less headroom at higher (above 5 k/c) and lower frequencies (below 100 cps). Of course there's a point in using a Nak rather than a Yamaha. The Nak is a better deck. You will experience fewer quality losses during the transfer using a Nak. Most dubbing decks aren't as good as using two good single decks. I do not believe that Nakamichi ever made a dubbing deck. Ferrichrome was a good idea that never caught on. I preferred ferrichrome tapes when they were available. N-Joy! Gerald G. wrote: > Greetings and salutations! I would dearly like to open the floor for > discussion on the lowly TYPE1 ,120 Cassette.I have rarely,if ever heard > any serious interest or discussion on these Cassettes.This is really > very surprising,because the "Metal "Masters,"Vertexes" etc,etc, are > always quick to rate a responce.Also prolific is the archives on the > TYpe II.Correct me if I am Mistaken,but The greaT NAKAMICHI would NOT > have included the TYPE 1 in the bias circuit of my NAKS if it was not a > serious audio recording tape.I have a great collection of vintage TYPE 1 > cassettes which have the sturdiest,best built shells of any tapes i have > ever seen-Memorex MRX2 oxide with the sliding shellcase,BASF FERRO > EXTRA1,SONY double coated Feeri-Chrome,and a few others like "LARKSONG" > and "SILVER".I have a large colection of pre-recorded cassettes which,i > guess about half or more are junk to be thrown away or given to the > thrift store.Many still sond very good,and some sound excellent.Most of > these,except for a few,were recorded originally on TYPE 1.Is there any > point on rerecording these onto fresh tape other than a great TYPE1?Is > there any point even in using a NAK or will a good Yamaha dual dubbing > deck suffice? One vintage tape-the BASF,actually has a "dynamic profile" > in its package,so this is a tape that was designed by engineers to be > taken very seriously.The current choice for TYPE 1's as far as i know > are 1) Maxell UR 2)TDK D-90 3)Memorex 4)FUJI DR1,and the SONY HI-FI.Do > these rate a comparison like the type two's,our are they destined to > remain forewver as generic?I think that the new TDK type 1 still has > the dynamic profile on its contents. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 04:52:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:52:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. Message-ID: <42229595.3060106@woods-and-waters.com> I just scored a Nakamichi 581 cassette deck on eBay for $49.95! I've long wanted one of these pad lifter decks. Now I'll have one. In the description the seller wrote, "Please know this is a huge cassette deck that operates in what I consider a strange way in that when powered on, the tape transports actually are moving until play is pressed. As far as I know this is the way the deck is designed, but I don't want anyone to think this is some problem." Is this correct or does the deck have a problem? Too late, I bought it using Buy It Now, but for the price I can afford to have it fixed if it does have a problem. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 08:47:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:47:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR In-Reply-To: <42228BB1.3010006@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050228074737.65169.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Ok this fiddling with the bias knob and record level is intruiging! My Excelia 009 deck has dbx and sounds awesome with normal material. But when I playback vocals, it tends to sound thin. But this could be perhaps because I apply reel to reel recording techniques to cassette. When doing reel, I get the signal as hot as possible and the needle hovers around 0db quite often shooting into +3db or more region. I think this is an illogical thing to do since thats a 1/4 inch tape moving at 15 ips. Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi John! John Berger wrote: > You can pretty easily convince Dolby skeptics that Nakamichi did it right > if you have a 3-head Nak deck. Play a CD (or album) with good > high-frequency content and good dynamics, and record it. First, record it > with Dolby off, and switch back and forth between tape and source. Then > continue recording, but keep the monitoring on Tape and switch the Dolby > circuits in and out. If your deck is properly calibrated and aligned, > the highs will still be there at equal levels in either Dolby NR position, > but the tape hiss will drop quite significantly. Point out to them that > the highs are still there, if it's done right. > Great points! Absolutely spot on! I'll remember your demo technique -- fabulous! Dolby can be frustrating in its tendency to dull the sound (unless properly aligned and calibrated). This usually occurs because often the Dolby expands the high frequency content during decode slightly more than it the signal was compressed during encode. Besides calibration errors, excessive high-frequency content during recording or tape saturation nonlinearities may contribute to the problem. The dulling effect can be avoided or minimized to the point that little or no perceptible dulling will occur, though. By the way, 120 uS EQ causes fewer problems with Dolby than 70 uS EQ does, so a chrome tape recorded with 120 uS EQ is an excellent way to make a good Dolby recording. My 600 and 600-II allow that nonstandard setting. Regardless of the headroom of the deck, or what the instruction manual indicates, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB (except for very, very, very brief peaks) if you�re using Dolby B or C. Why? Two reasons: First, because the encode/decode process often loses accuracy above 0 dB. For many Nakamichi cassette decks, and other brands as well, 0 dB is the same as the Dolby calibration level. Second, because cassette tapes typically have only +3 to +4 dB maximum output levels. So, flux levels above 0 dB push the tape into its nonlinear region, exacerbating Dolby decode errors. So, how do you solve problem? Mainly, for fear of repetition, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB. Don�t be seduced by the fact the meter reads +7 dB. The recorder provides its ultimate level of performance only at, or below, 0 dB if you're using ANY noise reduction, Dolby, dbx, HiComm, whatever. Many Nakamichi decks let you fine tune the bias by recording a 400 cps tone at 0 dB (the Dolby calibration level using the the Dolby calibration tone). So, you can do what the pros do to tweak the sound of their studio recorders: vary the bias to alter the high frequency content as you record. In essence, a sneaky way to EQ the deck in a limited way. Underbiasing (setting the bias deliberately low) by no more than 2 dB is one trick the pros use to make Dolby noise reductions sound crystal clear. If the source is quite bright in its tonal balance, overbiasing (setting the bias deliberately high) by no more than 2 dB can help your Dolby from dulling the sound. Hope this helps those on the list who experience dulling of their sound when using Dolby! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 28 09:23:57 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:23:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Type 1 tapes Message-ID: Hi Iain, Your comments pretty much give the measure of type Is for those uncertain of their capabilities. The AD-X was indeed very good, as is AR-X from TDK. Maxells XLI-S was superb. The TDK AD and Maxells opposite model, the UDI are very good type Is without any propensity to shed ferrous oxide - I see that seems to be a concern among the posts here. This is not a specific characteristic of modern or even moderately modern type Is. That is really a characteristic, on occasion of poor binders, abuse of the tape, and abuse combined with age. TDK D, in particular the model sold about 10-12 years ago, was a particularly hardy and durable tape. A slightly rising sensitivity in the HF made it both livelier and noisier than it's counterparts, such as the Maxell UR. The TDK B (I thought that stood for b..t-end Iain!!) is the equivalent of the UE from Maxell and JVC's "G1". Bear in mind that some decks perform very well with type 1s. Enhanced formulas in this class can be exceptionally rewarding, although not as quiet as type 2, they are invariably more compliant, with lower de-gauss requirements while still having good magnetic retentivity. Because the majority of single layer type 1s are Dolby friendly, dynamic range issues should not be an exclusive consideration. By the way Iain, good price on those MAs!! Marc >>> iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au 02/27/05 04:10PM >>> TDK AD-X was a VERY good Type 1 tape, but it is not produced anymore. I'm not sure exactly when it went out of production. TDK AD is also a good Type 1, however depending on where you live you may or may not be able to purchase AD. We have AD in Australia, I bought one last year and was quite happy with it to be honest. I wouldn't touch TDK D with a ten foot bargepole to be honest. Further down the TDK tree in type 1 is B - for Bad I'd say. AD-X was better than an ordinary (read not very good) Type 2 cassette definitely. Maybe not quite as good as a GOOD type 2. Speaking of tapes, I just got 125 TDK-MA90 metal from the last batch before discontinuation at the original price ($4.00 AU or about $3.05 US) - how's that? Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From c123666 at comcast.net Mon Feb 28 09:33:45 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:33:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Mic CM-100 & MR-1 In-Reply-To: <42228DFA.6030408@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20050227022219.71781.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> <42228DFA.6030408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4222D769.6060503@comcast.net> mr1 is not portable; ie, it is rack sized and requires AC. The 550 is portable in that it accepted batteries. It was rather large to be portable. I did see one fellow holding one over his head on the way into NY Eve many moons ago for a Dead show. The security folks were quite carefully patting him down to ensure he took no recording equipment, cans, bottles or alchoholic beverages in...... . Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Scott! > > Thanks for the correction! Bert had asked about MIC inputs having > preamps. Not being familiar with the MR-1 specifically, I assumed it > had mic inputs because of that. Learn something new every day! Thanks! > > Isn't the MR-1 portable, or am I thinking of a different deck? > > Scott Johnson wrote: > >> The MR-1 does not have Microphone inputs. There are three inputs on >> the MR-1 and they are all Line level. >> >> The front panel inputs are 1/4" Balanced +4dBm. The rear panel has >> two sets of inputs, one is 1/4" Unbalanced -10dBV and the other is >> XLR Balanced +4dBm. (BTW - plugging into the rear 1/4" inputs will >> disable the XLR inputs) >> >> To use a microphone with the MR-1 an external mic pre or mixer with >> mic inputs is required. It does not have built in microphone preamps >> like the old 350, 500, 550, 700 and 1000 series decks. > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 28 10:09:02 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:09:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR Message-ID: Shalom John & Kermit! Why to complicate your recording goal????? DON'T USE ANY NOISE REDUCTION...as I do, and all is resolved! With superb Type 2 cassettes + top of the line (As my Dragon machine)...don't need NR at all! That's is my very heart fully recommendation!...,However ever one will made up one's mind what is best for his taste!!!! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NR or no NR >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:10:41 -0500 > >Hi John! > >John Berger wrote: >>You can pretty easily convince Dolby skeptics that Nakamichi did it right >>if you have a 3-head Nak deck. Play a CD (or album) with good >>high-frequency content and good dynamics, and record it. First, record it >>with Dolby off, and switch back and forth between tape and source. Then >>continue recording, but keep the monitoring on Tape and switch the Dolby >>circuits in and out. If your deck is properly calibrated and aligned, >>the highs will still be there at equal levels in either Dolby NR position, >>but the tape hiss will drop quite significantly. Point out to them that >>the highs are still there, if it's done right. >> > >Great points! Absolutely spot on! I'll remember your demo technique -- >fabulous! > >Dolby can be frustrating in its tendency to dull the sound (unless properly >aligned and calibrated). This usually occurs because often the Dolby >expands the high frequency content during decode slightly more than it the >signal was compressed during encode. Besides calibration errors, excessive >high-frequency content during recording or tape saturation nonlinearities >may contribute to the problem. The dulling effect can be avoided or >minimized to the point that little or no perceptible dulling will occur, >though. > >By the way, 120 uS EQ causes fewer problems with Dolby than 70 uS EQ does, >so a chrome tape recorded with 120 uS EQ is an excellent way to make a good >Dolby recording. My 600 and 600-II allow that nonstandard setting. > >Regardless of the headroom of the deck, or what the instruction manual >indicates, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB (except for very, very, very brief >peaks) if you�re using Dolby B or C. Why? Two reasons: > >First, because the encode/decode process often loses accuracy above 0 dB. >For many Nakamichi cassette decks, and other brands as well, 0 dB is the >same as the Dolby calibration level. > >Second, because cassette tapes typically have only +3 to +4 dB maximum >output levels. So, flux levels above 0 dB push the tape into its nonlinear >region, exacerbating Dolby decode errors. > >So, how do you solve problem? Mainly, for fear of repetition, DO NOT record >ABOVE 0 dB. Don�t be seduced by the fact the meter reads +7 dB. The >recorder provides its ultimate level of performance only at, or below, 0 dB >if you're using ANY noise reduction, Dolby, dbx, HiComm, whatever. > >Many Nakamichi decks let you fine tune the bias by recording a 400 cps tone >at 0 dB (the Dolby calibration level using the the Dolby calibration tone). >So, you can do what the pros do to tweak the sound of their studio >recorders: vary the bias to alter the high frequency content as you record. >In essence, a sneaky way to EQ the deck in a limited way. > >Underbiasing (setting the bias deliberately low) by no more than 2 dB is >one trick the pros use to make Dolby noise reductions sound crystal clear. > >If the source is quite bright in its tonal balance, overbiasing (setting >the bias deliberately high) by no more than 2 dB can help your Dolby from >dulling the sound. > >Hope this helps those on the list who experience dulling of their sound >when using Dolby! > >N-Joy! >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 28 10:14:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:14:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level Message-ID: Shalom my dear Buddy! Yea...it's my first time after so many decades of using tapes & cassette format...that happen something like this!!!!! OK...Dragon don't like German produced shell...HA...HA...HA...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] peak level meters & operating level >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:17:26 -0500 > >Shalom Alex, > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >> >>Kermit...did you have some advice/knowledge why my Dragon refuse to accept >>such "Ultimate" Basf cassette???, (Did you sow the photos???) Thanks! > >I'm stumped but looking into it. Maybe BASF gives the Dragon indigestion? >(I'm joking.) > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 28 11:01:46 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:01:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR Message-ID: Excellent stuff as usuall Kermit - I'm a bit of an underbiasing sneek myself...Rather do that and manage record levels responsibly to contain THD. Marc Marc >>> "Kermit V. Gray" 02/28/05 05:10AM >>> Hi John! John Berger wrote: > You can pretty easily convince Dolby skeptics that Nakamichi did it right > if you have a 3-head Nak deck. Play a CD (or album) with good > high-frequency content and good dynamics, and record it. First, record it > with Dolby off, and switch back and forth between tape and source. Then > continue recording, but keep the monitoring on Tape and switch the Dolby > circuits in and out. If your deck is properly calibrated and aligned, > the highs will still be there at equal levels in either Dolby NR position, > but the tape hiss will drop quite significantly. Point out to them that > the highs are still there, if it's done right. > Great points! Absolutely spot on! I'll remember your demo technique -- fabulous! Dolby can be frustrating in its tendency to dull the sound (unless properly aligned and calibrated). This usually occurs because often the Dolby expands the high frequency content during decode slightly more than it the signal was compressed during encode. Besides calibration errors, excessive high-frequency content during recording or tape saturation nonlinearities may contribute to the problem. The dulling effect can be avoided or minimized to the point that little or no perceptible dulling will occur, though. By the way, 120 uS EQ causes fewer problems with Dolby than 70 uS EQ does, so a chrome tape recorded with 120 uS EQ is an excellent way to make a good Dolby recording. My 600 and 600-II allow that nonstandard setting. Regardless of the headroom of the deck, or what the instruction manual indicates, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB (except for very, very, very brief peaks) if you're using Dolby B or C. Why? Two reasons: First, because the encode/decode process often loses accuracy above 0 dB. For many Nakamichi cassette decks, and other brands as well, 0 dB is the same as the Dolby calibration level. Second, because cassette tapes typically have only +3 to +4 dB maximum output levels. So, flux levels above 0 dB push the tape into its nonlinear region, exacerbating Dolby decode errors. So, how do you solve problem? Mainly, for fear of repetition, DO NOT record ABOVE 0 dB. Don't be seduced by the fact the meter reads +7 dB. The recorder provides its ultimate level of performance only at, or below, 0 dB if you're using ANY noise reduction, Dolby, dbx, HiComm, whatever. Many Nakamichi decks let you fine tune the bias by recording a 400 cps tone at 0 dB (the Dolby calibration level using the the Dolby calibration tone). So, you can do what the pros do to tweak the sound of their studio recorders: vary the bias to alter the high frequency content as you record. In essence, a sneaky way to EQ the deck in a limited way. Underbiasing (setting the bias deliberately low) by no more than 2 dB is one trick the pros use to make Dolby noise reductions sound crystal clear. If the source is quite bright in its tonal balance, overbiasing (setting the bias deliberately high) by no more than 2 dB can help your Dolby from dulling the sound. Hope this helps those on the list who experience dulling of their sound when using Dolby! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Feb 28 12:04:33 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:04:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR Message-ID: <24EAC684.7D3EFB55.026D48C1@netscape.net> Just my 2 cents: There is a wonderful Nak device for proper Dolby implementation - NR-200. This stand-alone unit could be very accurately calibrated and used with virtually any tape deck that lacks perfect Dolby system incorporated. If the recording was not totally screwed-up this small box can really help you to show the bright side. My old Technics Dolby C recordings sound wonderful being replayed from any Nakamichi through this auxiliary item. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 28 14:47:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:47:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <42228F31.8090008@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000801c51d9c$0b820060$1fc44c51@oemcomputer> Kermit said, "Ferrichrome was a good idea that never caught on. I preferred ferrichrome tapes when they were available." So did I. I preferred what I was using then to many (most?) of the Chrome formulations I was using at that time. I may still have one left somewhere but, I seem to recall, most of those I bought eventually jammed. Strange to relate that some of the oldest tapes that I have still move freely ... but I'm nervous about playing them because .... you've guessed? They are the original Memorex Chrome tapes with the non-standard cases and white buttons for anchoring the spools of the cassette. Gra' > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Feb 28 22:32:16 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:32:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D910@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi István, I have sent the manuals to the hosting website and you should receive 3 emails from yousendit.com. please let me know if you have any probs. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Sándor István [mailto:sandorpistike at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 3:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Hello Tom, I would be very happy to get a copy also. At the moment I do not have any problems with that small beauty (BX-1), but heaven knows... Please send the file to: pestacx at citromail.hu That is surely able to receive bigger files too (unlike my Hotmail I write from). Thank you in advance! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual >I have a copy of the BX-1 service manual but like Bala can you wait one >more > day so I can send it using highspeed bandwidth instead of 56k dial-up. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxwell Hu [mailto:maxwell_hu at hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service > manual for a BX-1? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Feb 28 22:35:54 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:35:54 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D911@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> To Anthony and all who requested manuals from me, you will receive emails from yousendit.com with links to the files for you to download. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BADANTH at aol.com [mailto:BADANTH at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2005 11:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Tom, I'm assuming this service manual will also work for my BX-2 and wouldn't mind having a copy on hand if possible? Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 28 16:43:05 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:43:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Message-ID: Shalom my dear Gra' Yeah...I also collect some Ferro-Chrome Scotch + at least 8 Memorex same like yours Chrome, with the same "Non-Standard" cases and same white buttons for anchoring the spools of the cassette. However I placed in some location..that today I can't remember...maybe some day I will find them!? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:47:29 -0000 > >Kermit said, "Ferrichrome was a good idea that never caught on. I preferred >ferrichrome tapes when they were available." > >So did I. I preferred what I was using then to many (most?) of the Chrome >formulations I was using at that time. I may still have one left somewhere >but, I seem to recall, most of those I bought eventually jammed. > >Strange to relate that some of the oldest tapes that I have still move >freely ... but I'm nervous about playing them because .... you've guessed? >They are the original Memorex Chrome tapes with the non-standard cases and >white buttons for anchoring the spools of the cassette. > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 19:37:57 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:37:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42236505.1080606@woods-and-waters.com> Shalom Alex, Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom John & Kermit! > > Why to complicate your recording goal????? Reducing the tape's dynamic range by NOT using noise reduction is the ultimate complication. Noise reduction itself isn't. > DON'T USE ANY NOISE > REDUCTION...as I do, and all is resolved! With superb Type 2 cassettes + > top of the line (As my Dragon machine)...don't need NR at all! > Because I enjoy my recordings when they have the full, unlimited, uncompressed dynamic range of alive event. NO CASSETTE RECORDER, not even a Dragon, can achieve this without using noise reduction. Period. Besides, tape hiss sounds unpleasant, amateurish, and cheap. I didn't buy a Nakamichi to make recordings that sound unpleasant, amateurish, and cheap. Thus, like all professionals, I use noise reduction. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From britri at comcast.net Mon Feb 28 20:57:33 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:57:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: nakaphones sp - 100 In-Reply-To: <004101c51ab7$a54cac50$430f98de@tec> References: <421D2614.3@woods-and-waters.com> <004101c51ab7$a54cac50$430f98de@tec> Message-ID: <422377AD.4090301@comcast.net> If the part you need is the foam, radioshack sells a generic foam ring that fits perfectly. I have used them on mine and was told by somebody very wise that the pads should be turned inside out to get the original orientation dimensions from diaphragm to ear. My buddy Stephen Sank frequently Raved about how good they are. My ears agree Brian > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 28 20:27:28 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:27:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <000801c51d9c$0b820060$1fc44c51@oemcomputer> References: <000801c51d9c$0b820060$1fc44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <422370A0.1090001@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Strange to relate that some of the oldest tapes that I have still move > freely ... but I'm nervous about playing them because .... you've guessed? > They are the original Memorex Chrome tapes with the non-standard cases and > white buttons for anchoring the spools of the cassette. Think "pad lifter" cassette deck. I have some of the same Memorex chromoid tapes in the "switchblade" case -- and for that very reason of their jamming I snapped up a pad-lifting Nak 582. Or transplant the pancake into a better shell. Or use a Wollensak 2551. Ok, maybe not that. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ti at amb.org Mon Feb 28 21:25:44 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cassette car stereo repair In-Reply-To: from "Fred Lifton" at Feb 26, 2005 08:20:11 PM Message-ID: <20050228202544.9F7A13520F@smtp.amb.org> Fred Lifton writes: > I have an Alpine 7618 cassette head unit that needs an overhaul (new > bulbs, belts, etc.) Does anyone know of a reputable US repair person > who will deal with car stereo tape decks? Try: http://www.unitedradio.com/ I don't have any personal experience with them, but have heard recommendations to them from others. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From bonarigo at hhmi.org Mon Feb 28 21:41:08 2005 From: bonarigo at hhmi.org (Bonarigo, Marc) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:41:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7EA71811@hqexch3.hhmi.org> I know I'm about the 3rd or 4th person to ask for a copy of the BX-1 service manual, but if I could also get a copy somehow it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- marc -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:52 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual I have a copy of the BX-1 service manual but like Bala can you wait one more day so I can send it using highspeed bandwidth instead of 56k dial-up. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Maxwell Hu [mailto:maxwell_hu at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service manual for a BX-1? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Feb 28 23:04:49 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:04:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. In-Reply-To: <42229595.3060106@woods-and-waters.com> References: <42229595.3060106@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <42239581.1050002@cox.net> This is a new on for me, Kermit. The transport should be static and not moving when there are no buttons pressed. The most that might be happening is that the capstans may be rotating, but that's all. I believe that on this model, the capstan motor is always on when the power is on. Kermit V. Gray wrote: > I just scored a Nakamichi 581 cassette deck on eBay for $49.95! I've > long wanted one of these pad lifter decks. Now I'll have one. > > In the description the seller wrote, "Please know this is a huge > cassette deck that operates in what I consider a strange way in that > when powered on, the tape transports actually are moving until play is > pressed. As far as I know this is the way the deck is designed, but > I don't want anyone to think this is some problem." > > Is this correct or does the deck have a problem? Too late, I bought it > using Buy It Now, but for the price I can afford to have it fixed if > it does have a problem. > From BADANTH at aol.com Mon Feb 28 23:11:27 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:11:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual Message-ID: Thank you Tom, this is what makes this list so wonderful! Hopefully I won't need to use it but it's good to have just in case. Thanks again and keep on Nakkin'... Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Feb 28 23:53:30 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:53:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. In-Reply-To: <42229595.3060106@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit Excellent 581 buy. The capstan motor continually running is normal for the 580 series. Thanks for the advice on pinch roller cleaner. David > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > Organization: Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > Reply-To: , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:52:53 -0500 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. > > I just scored a Nakamichi 581 cassette deck on eBay for $49.95! I've > long wanted one of these pad lifter decks. Now I'll have one. > > In the description the seller wrote, "Please know this is a huge > cassette deck that operates in what I consider a strange way in that > when powered on, the tape transports actually are moving until play is > pressed. As far as I know this is the way the deck is designed, but I > don't want anyone to think this is some problem." > > Is this correct or does the deck have a problem? Too late, I bought it > using Buy It Now, but for the price I can afford to have it fixed if it > does have a problem. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-3.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Mar 1 02:07:29 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:07:29 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D912@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> If it's the capstan motor than yes these should be running all the time with the power on and no buttons pressed. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 2:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. I just scored a Nakamichi 581 cassette deck on eBay for $49.95! I've long wanted one of these pad lifter decks. Now I'll have one. In the description the seller wrote, "Please know this is a huge cassette deck that operates in what I consider a strange way in that when powered on, the tape transports actually are moving until play is pressed. As far as I know this is the way the deck is designed, but I don't want anyone to think this is some problem." Is this correct or does the deck have a problem? Too late, I bought it using Buy It Now, but for the price I can afford to have it fixed if it does have a problem. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 1 00:32:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:32:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <20050228202544.9F7A13520F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <000b01c51ded$d62c2880$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> May be it's just me but I just don't get it. Now, my Fiesta is one of Ford's mini hatchback luxury models, a Ghia appointed vehicle with a quiet and nippy Zetec engine in it. As cars go it's pretty quiet on the inside - quieter than any other car I've ever owned, including a 1976 Merc, and certainly quieter than the Ford Sierra diesel engine vehicle I also have that my wife is using for motorway driving to university. But the Fiesta is still noisy when driving even on a good road, all the more @ 50-70 mph. I mean, to hear the radio or cassette recorder above the tyre/road noise (the engine is the least of the problem these days), I have to crank up the volume from (on the Ford radio volume measure) 6 all the way to 12-13. sometimes to 15 - i.e. more than doubling it! In circumstances as poor as these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state of the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those top of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some such limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because the ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in the standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? I mean, isn't it a bit like putting Porsche low profile wheels and tyres on a Ford T ? Or, isn't it like having a great hi fi system playing in a house with all the windows open, that sits beneath the flight path of Kennedy airport?!! I mean, who cares if the music reproduction is fabulous if you can't hear it's fabulous? But if someone would make an in car system that offered headphone listening ... may be that WOULD have a point to it ... except I'll bet the road safety people would then claim it would be unsafe to drive a vehicle if one cannot hear the signals (horns) of other road users ... (Indeed, I still puzzle over the logic of it being said that it's unsafe to make or take mobile calls when driving the car, even hands free, but perfectly okay to listen to the in-car hi fi ... ) Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 1 00:32:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:32:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <422370A0.1090001@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000a01c51ded$d4fe08c0$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> Hi Kermit Ah, yes - I did have some jamming with the Memorex. Main problem with them, though, was they flaked off lumps of oxide! Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 28 February 2005 19:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > Strange to relate that some of the oldest tapes that I have still move > > freely ... but I'm nervous about playing them because .... > you've guessed? > > They are the original Memorex Chrome tapes with the > non-standard cases and > > white buttons for anchoring the spools of the cassette. > > Think "pad lifter" cassette deck. I have some of the same Memorex > chromoid tapes in the "switchblade" case -- and for that very reason of > their jamming I snapped up a pad-lifting Nak 582. > > Or transplant the pancake into a better shell. > > Or use a Wollensak 2551. Ok, maybe not that. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 00:50:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:50:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR Message-ID: Shalom my dear Kermit! I always learn something new...thanks so much for your seriously advice, SO...IF I want to obtain the "Best" results with my Dragon I MUST use Dolby "C"...?, instead the "B" one...? However when I decide to record a cassette mainly for my car radio/tape gear...I will record with NO NR at ALL!...As sound a little bright with Dolby "B"...and I read that "C" is improperly for listening trough my relative low/medium priced auto gear that I own! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NR or no NR >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:37:57 -0500 > >Shalom Alex, > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom John & Kermit! >> >>Why to complicate your recording goal????? > >Reducing the tape's dynamic range by NOT using noise reduction is the >ultimate complication. Noise reduction itself isn't. > > > DON'T USE ANY NOISE >>REDUCTION...as I do, and all is resolved! With superb Type 2 cassettes + >>top of the line (As my Dragon machine)...don't need NR at all! >> > >Because I enjoy my recordings when they have the full, unlimited, >uncompressed dynamic range of alive event. NO CASSETTE RECORDER, not even a >Dragon, can achieve this without using noise reduction. > >Period. > >Besides, tape hiss sounds unpleasant, amateurish, and cheap. I didn't buy a >Nakamichi to make recordings that sound unpleasant, amateurish, and cheap. >Thus, like all professionals, I use noise reduction. > >N-Joy! > -- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bwana747 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 06:02:16 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:02:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for BX-1 manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My sincere thanks to Tom for the BX-1 manual. The schematics have been especially helpful. I can't wait to get out some of the tapes made during my college days back when the BX-1 was my first Nakamichi. You never forget your first Nak! Thanks for helping me to keep the old friend running. Bob From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 08:23:00 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:23:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D910@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: Hello Tom, I received all the 3 links, and downloaded the files just now. The quality is something raw in case of the pictures, but as Hungarian says: do not look at the teeth of the horse you get as a present... :-)) Thank you! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > Hi István, I have sent the manuals to the hosting website and you should > receive 3 emails from yousendit.com. please let me know if you have any > probs. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sándor István [mailto:sandorpistike at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 3:04 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > Hello Tom, > I would be very happy to get a copy also. > At the moment I do not have any problems with that small beauty (BX-1), > but > heaven knows... > Please send the file to: > pestacx at citromail.hu > > That is surely able to receive bigger files too (unlike my Hotmail I write > from). > > Thank you in advance! > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:51 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > >>I have a copy of the BX-1 service manual but like Bala can you wait one >>more >> day so I can send it using highspeed bandwidth instead of 56k dial-up. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Maxwell Hu [mailto:maxwell_hu at hotmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 3:12 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual >> >> >> hi there. First time posting. Does anyone know where I can get a service >> manual for a BX-1? >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 1 09:56:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:56:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c51e3c$95f59d60$2fcf4c51@oemcomputer> That's interesting - in England there is a similar saying: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Sándor István > Sent: 01 March 2005 07:23 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > Hello Tom, > I received all the 3 links, and downloaded the files just now. > The quality is something raw in case of the pictures, but as > Hungarian says: > do not look at the teeth of the horse you get as a present... :-)) > > Thank you! > István > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 1 09:58:53 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:58:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR Message-ID: That right Alex - I would estimate that for your enjoyment, but also to utlise the technology you own to the fullest, go without Dolby for the car tapes and use Dolby C for serious listening in the home. I'm pretty sure you'll be impressed!! Go well, Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 03/01/05 01:50AM >>> Shalom my dear Kermit! I always learn something new...thanks so much for your seriously advice, SO...IF I want to obtain the "Best" results with my Dragon I MUST use Dolby "C"...?, instead the "B" one...? However when I decide to record a cassette mainly for my car radio/tape gear...I will record with NO NR at ALL!...As sound a little bright with Dolby "B"...and I read that "C" is improperly for listening trough my relative low/medium priced auto gear that I own! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NR or no NR >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:37:57 -0500 > >Shalom Alex, > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom John & Kermit! >> >>Why to complicate your recording goal????? > >Reducing the tape's dynamic range by NOT using noise reduction is the >ultimate complication. Noise reduction itself isn't. > > > DON'T USE ANY NOISE >>REDUCTION...as I do, and all is resolved! With superb Type 2 cassettes + >>top of the line (As my Dragon machine)...don't need NR at all! >> > >Because I enjoy my recordings when they have the full, unlimited, >uncompressed dynamic range of alive event. NO CASSETTE RECORDER, not even a >Dragon, can achieve this without using noise reduction. > >Period. > >Besides, tape hiss sounds unpleasant, amateurish, and cheap. I didn't buy a >Nakamichi to make recordings that sound unpleasant, amateurish, and cheap. >Thus, like all professionals, I use noise reduction. > >N-Joy! > -- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 10:00:08 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:00:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... Message-ID: Shalom Gra' NEXT step a Rolls Royce...the quietest/most muted/most placid car for listen Hi-Fi Nakamichi stereo car inside!!! SO...my dear Gra'...think/conceive & consider on it!!!! Have a nice day! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:32:58 -0000 > >May be it's just me but I just don't get it. Now, my Fiesta is one of >Ford's mini hatchback luxury models, a Ghia appointed vehicle with a quiet >and nippy Zetec engine in it. As cars go it's pretty quiet on the inside - >quieter than any other car I've ever owned, including a 1976 Merc, and >certainly quieter than the Ford Sierra diesel engine vehicle I also have >that my wife is using for motorway driving to university. But the Fiesta >is >still noisy when driving even on a good road, all the more @ 50-70 mph. I >mean, to hear the radio or cassette recorder above the tyre/road noise (the >engine is the least of the problem these days), I have to crank up the >volume from (on the Ford radio volume measure) 6 all the way to 12-13. >sometimes to 15 - i.e. more than doubling it! In circumstances as poor >as >these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state of >the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those >top >of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some such >limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because the >ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in the >standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? I mean, isn't it a bit >like putting Porsche low profile wheels and tyres on a Ford T ? Or, isn't >it like having a great hi fi system playing in a house with all the windows >open, that sits beneath the flight path of Kennedy airport?!! I mean, who >cares if the music reproduction is fabulous if you can't hear it's >fabulous? > >But if someone would make an in car system that offered headphone listening >... may be that WOULD have a point to it ... except I'll bet the road >safety >people would then claim it would be unsafe to drive a vehicle if one cannot >hear the signals (horns) of other road users ... (Indeed, I still puzzle >over the logic of it being said that it's unsafe to make or take mobile >calls when driving the car, even hands free, but perfectly okay to listen >to >the in-car hi fi ... ) > >Gra' > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 10:11:15 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:11:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Message-ID: Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? I call back in earnest first Dolby B cassette deck...this model have two analogue meters, the "Originally" one with other name...that now I can recall...had only "ONE" meter and a switch for assure each channel...I'm wrong...Kermit? Maybe is Advent...Kermit? Regards, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:32:56 -0000 > >Hi Kermit > >Ah, yes - I did have some jamming with the Memorex. Main problem with >them, >though, was they flaked off lumps of oxide! > >Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 28 February 2005 19:27 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > Nelson wrote: > > > Strange to relate that some of the oldest tapes that I have still move > > > freely ... but I'm nervous about playing them because .... > > you've guessed? > > > They are the original Memorex Chrome tapes with the > > non-standard cases and > > > white buttons for anchoring the spools of the cassette. > > > > Think "pad lifter" cassette deck. I have some of the same Memorex > > chromoid tapes in the "switchblade" case -- and for that very reason of > > their jamming I snapped up a pad-lifting Nak 582. > > > > Or transplant the pancake into a better shell. > > > > Or use a Wollensak 2551. Ok, maybe not that. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 10:56:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:56:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT In-Reply-To: <003901c51e3c$95f59d60$2fcf4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Same in Israel...in Hebrew language! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT >Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:56:41 -0000 > >That's interesting - in England there is a similar saying: Don't look a >gift horse in the mouth. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of S�ndor Istv�n > > Sent: 01 March 2005 07:23 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > > > > Hello Tom, > > I received all the 3 links, and downloaded the files just now. > > The quality is something raw in case of the pictures, but as > > Hungarian says: > > do not look at the teeth of the horse you get as a present... :-)) > > > > Thank you! > > Istv�n > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 12:40:32 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:40:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <000b01c51ded$d62c2880$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi Graham, Well, I am one of those who is into car audio as well as home audio, especially Naks. Why car audio when the car is such a harsh environment for sound reproduction? Well, otherwise, I would not be able to have some decent sounding music on the move! Seeing my daily travel is around 45 mins to and 45 mins fro, it is relaxing for me to have some decent sounding music on the move. So what else but Nakamichi so that I can take advantage of my home compilation from my home Naks! In my car I run a 4 way active setup (3 way if you don't count the subwoofer). The source/head unit is a Nakamichi Mobile Tuner Deck 1 with adjustable azimuth (but not dual capstan :-( tape transport) and this is matched with the CDC-101 10 disc CD changer. The RCA outputs go into an AudioControl 4XS active crossover and this then feeds a Nak PA350 for the tweeters (35w/channel, I only use 2 out of the 4 channels available), a Nak PA300II for the midrange (75w/channel) and then a Soundstream MC500 for the bass woofers (125w/channel) and subwoofer(250w/channel). Speakers are not Nak speakers though. In the car, even with its harsh environment, an active setup will be able to give you pretty decent music on the move, although it will never match equivalently priced home systems. I would love to add in a TD-700 or TD-1200 but for convenience reasons I would like to stick with my current cassette/CD/tuner sources and a TD-700 or TD-1200 would take away my CD source :-( Anyway, all in I'm quite happy with my car audio setup as it is and you certainly won't hear any unwanted road noise/outside noise if you don't want to! I have also added sound dampening to the car doors and DIY'ed the entire car audio installation. Kelvin. From bhonhoff at dds.nl Tue Mar 1 14:16:43 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:16:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109683003.42246b3bc3a27@webmail.dds.nl> "Een gegeven paard moet men niet in de bek kijken" Dutch/Holland Quoting Alex Cozac : > > Same in Israel...in Hebrew language! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT > >Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:56:41 -0000 > > > >That's interesting - in England there is a similar saying: Don't look a > >gift horse in the mouth. > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Sándor István > > > Sent: 01 March 2005 07:23 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > > > > > > > Hello Tom, > > > I received all the 3 links, and downloaded the files just now. > > > The quality is something raw in case of the pictures, but as > > > Hungarian says: > > > do not look at the teeth of the horse you get as a present... :-)) > > > > > > Thank you! > > > István > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Do the SaMBa on Mac OS X! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 16:04:34 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:04:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT In-Reply-To: <1109683003.42246b3bc3a27@webmail.dds.nl> Message-ID: Thank you! ALEX! >From: bart honhoff >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT >Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:16:43 +0100 > > >"Een gegeven paard moet men niet in de bek kijken" Dutch/Holland > >Quoting Alex Cozac : > > > > > Same in Israel...in Hebrew language! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-1 manual OT > > >Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:56:41 -0000 > > > > > >That's interesting - in England there is a similar saying: Don't look >a > > >gift horse in the mouth. > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > > Sent: 01 March 2005 07:23 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 manual > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Tom, > > > > I received all the 3 links, and downloaded the files just now. > > > > The quality is something raw in case of the pictures, but as > > > > Hungarian says: > > > > do not look at the teeth of the horse you get as a present... :-)) > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Istv�n > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >Do the SaMBa on Mac OS X! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From arichison at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 17:36:27 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:36:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cassette car stereo repair In-Reply-To: <20050228202544.9F7A13520F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20050301163627.18853.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> why bother, I own an alpine and it is light years away in sound compared to a mobile nak deck, only wish I could afford to have a restored mobile nak, no more too expensive, my alpine is new from circuit city and cost only a hundred bucks they dont make um like they used too! hope this helps, hope I am not too harsh --- Ti Kan wrote: > Fred Lifton writes: > > I have an Alpine 7618 cassette head unit that > needs an overhaul (new > > bulbs, belts, etc.) Does anyone know of a > reputable US repair person > > who will deal with car stereo tape decks? > > Try: http://www.unitedradio.com/ > I don't have any personal experience with them, but > have heard > recommendations to them from others. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== I am NOW switching to my new email account. 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Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From arichison at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 20:07:41 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050301190741.89956.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> colin I agree with you , dbx was far ahead of its time for quiet sound and dynamics, I still have five units at the house, is so easy to just hook up one as a nr device and say goodbye to dolby, but wait,,,, dolby got the market ,,, and continued to serve the market with their crap version of nr,,, this is all people know if they dont own a dbx unit, so upseting for me to see this occur. once I heard the industry agreed dbx was alot better but did not license it as the standard, oh well. my problem is cant play the dbx tapes in the car or the walkman, that is the downfall, sony never offered the dbx chip in a walkman, what a shame, as far as my nak and mr1 hooked up to dbx and played back that way it is just like a dragon setup with dbx, not much different, with dolby, well not as much dynamic range et.... see ya, a --- Colin Marsh wrote: > Myself, I never got on with Dolby B but I can live > with Dolby C ! Common > sense tells me that ANY electronics placed into the > signal path must degrade > the signal! I must admit that Naks version of Dolby > C is probably the best > it gets. My gripe is compatibility with other non > Nak decks! If I believe > I am to use the tape on Non Nak decks then I do not > use Dolby at all. > No one has mentioned DBX! I have recently coupled a > ZX7 to a DBX NR unit. > The results are amazing!! Noise levels thru the > floor! dynamic range thru > the ceiling!! and to my ears no degradation to the > signal quality. BUT > also absolutely no compatibility with non DBX > equipped decks. > I was told that Nak tried this route once , with a > stand alone unit using > some obscure compression / decompression , but > without success, is that > true? > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Iain McGhee [mailto:iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au] > Sent: 27 February 2005 02:01 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR > > > Dolby usually crapped the sound totally on my RX-202 > but for the first time EVER with using Dolby (B or > C) > with the new RX-505 all I get is...reduced noise. > I've disliked Dolby on other (non Nak) decks too. > > I played back a tape I made on the 202 recorded with > C > on the 505 - sounded superb, no dulling whatsoever. > Played back on the 202 using C on (and that was the > deck it was recorded on!) it sounded - lifeless and > dull and lacked dynamics. One would think that if > the > Dolby circuits on the 202 were tracking accurately > on > recording, then they would be on playback, or can > this > not be the case sometimes? > > Whatever the reason, I'm pleased as punch that I > finally have a deck that Dolby is of real benefit > in > the 505. > > Iain > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== I am NOW switching to my new email account. Please write me at: TheAndre at gmail.com Andre Richison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jochi at qwest.net Tue Mar 1 22:17:11 2005 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:17:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... References: Message-ID: <001101c51ea4$08e321a0$0500000a@uswest.net> Kevin, I use a Nak-based control system in my car. It plays both audio cassettes and CDs. I make the cassettes on my CR-7A and my ZX-7. The cassettes are more pleasant than CDs. The biggest problem is road noise. Do you have any suggestions on dampening materials? Some have suggested a product called Dynamat. Also, did you dampen the hood and/or trunk and/or floor and/or ceiling along with the doors? Thanks for any experiences or tips. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... > > Hi Graham, > > Well, I am one of those who is into car audio as well as home audio, > especially Naks. Why car audio when the car is such a harsh environment for > sound reproduction? Well, otherwise, I would not be able to have some decent > sounding music on the move! Seeing my daily travel is around 45 mins to and > 45 mins fro, it is relaxing for me to have some decent sounding music on the > move. So what else but Nakamichi so that I can take advantage of my home > compilation from my home Naks! > > In my car I run a 4 way active setup (3 way if you don't count the > subwoofer). The source/head unit is a Nakamichi Mobile Tuner Deck 1 with > adjustable azimuth (but not dual capstan :-( tape transport) and this is > matched with the CDC-101 10 disc CD changer. The RCA outputs go into an > AudioControl 4XS active crossover and this then feeds a Nak PA350 for the > tweeters (35w/channel, I only use 2 out of the 4 channels available), a Nak > PA300II for the midrange (75w/channel) and then a Soundstream MC500 for the > bass woofers (125w/channel) and subwoofer(250w/channel). Speakers are not > Nak speakers though. In the car, even with its harsh environment, an active > setup will be able to give you pretty decent music on the move, although it > will never match equivalently priced home systems. I would love to add in a > TD-700 or TD-1200 but for convenience reasons I would like to stick with my > current cassette/CD/tuner sources and a TD-700 or TD-1200 would take away my > CD source :-( > > Anyway, all in I'm quite happy with my car audio setup as it is and you > certainly won't hear any unwanted road noise/outside noise if you don't want > to! I have also added sound dampening to the car doors and DIY'ed the entire > car audio installation. > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bobobozo at netzero.com Wed Mar 2 00:03:00 2005 From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:03:00 GMT Subject: [naktalk] on tapes and sounds in cars.... Message-ID: <20050301.150324.23949.18106@webmail22.lax.untd.com> Hi: I have a marvelous JBL sound system in my old 1988 Town Car. When I play well-dubbed tapes from my home-system NAK, they sound great. Sometimes they are Dolby B and sometimes Dolby C. Since the playback is only Dolby B, the extra high-end rise on the Dolby C recorded tapes sounds like a bonus. The high end cuts through the road and engine noise and is not unappealing at all. Someday soon when all the cars have been de-taped, most of us will miss the cassette tape for our cars. Maybe someone will put out a special compact disk adapter so we can play our outboard cassette players! Incidentally, I recently picked up the notorious Optimus 3440 outboard portable compact disk player for less than $10 and am enjoying some of my Cds as well. Additionally, the tuner in the JBL setup has DNR so even the FM sounds pretty good, too. JBL should be congratulaed for its hi-fi effort when it hooked up with the Ford Motor Co. for those models. thanks bob bob charlanza 610.775.9354 wknds 570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m. epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work) epcommunitynews.com (website) From jerryjg at webtv.net Wed Mar 2 03:51:52 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:51:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] on tapes and sounds in cars Message-ID: <19592-42252A48-808@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> I love this topic- you are a some real fungis!! A million dollar Bently 16 BI-turbo would certainly eliminate most noise issues,although i am not certain as to the subsequent troubling concern of audio on board the ol' Yacht.The good news for many ,is that one can spend considerably less for a mid-level vehicle ,and have a subsantially quieter noise floor than the Japanese rice rockets,the good ol ford fiestas(Festiva?-whatever!),and the German roaring racers. I drive a Toyota 1989 standard cab pickup truck,which is very noisy,and i would love to share my audio system with you all! First-i keep the original Cat converter-never get a aftermarket one, for a replacement muffler and tailpipe i get the "WALKER"brand .This keeps the moter about as quiet as possible.Next,i carpet the vehicle with a aftermaket carpet from JCWhitney.COM. Next,the two small factory 4 inch speakers in front were replaced with 2-way 4 inch Pioneers(best deal-20.o0 for the pair) .I used a pair of heavy gauge plastic Thermos bottle cups found at a thrift store to make a enclosure for these little speakers,and then I damped the enclosure with "Dynamat".Next, I self-installed a KENWOOD CD player in the dash(although i have a ALPINE top of the line unused head unit waiting to be installed).I dont want to be messing with cassette tapes in the car.Then i made a speaker box to go behind the seat(a problem in a small car to be sure).It was one of those cheap 20 dollar units wth 2x6" woofers and a small Piezo tweeter on each side from "Wal-Mart".I removed all the components and really put a lot of "Dynamat" and a lot of stuffing in the particle board enclosure, then i bought a couple of heavy duty "PYRAMID" 250 watt 4 OHM POly woofers from "JC Whitney",again,about only 20 or 30 dollars total,and then I replaced the cheap Piezo tweeters with 200 watt bullet tweeters from "Parts Express",who also sold me the X-overs for it.The totalcost for X-overs and tweeters was only about 50.00 including shipping.At this time i am sending my "LINEAR POWER "AMPLIFIER( www.linearpower.com)off for repair and modification(150.00),but when it returns the system will put out some very tight bass,and some decent treble,i hope i hope,also the SPLwillbe plenty loud at moderate volume levels in the little truck cab.I might look into getting the hood and firewall insulated later.To keep on the Nak topic-many cd's will be burned from my OMs-7!! thank you very much, gerald From ti at amb.org Wed Mar 2 00:31:15 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:31:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Just replaced idler tire on CR-7A Message-ID: <20050301233115.219D82A1A3@smtp.amb.org> I just replaced the idler tire of my "new-to-me" CR-7A. Much better now... it was stopping randomly with certain tapes, because the take-up reel did not have enough torque to pull the tape. I got the replacement idler tire from MCM Electronics and it was not a difficult job at all. This time I was very careful about not losing the retaining washer :). Went to bed last night listening to cassettes via headphones with my new headphone amp... Heavenly. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 2 00:52:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:52:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] on tapes and sounds in cars.... In-Reply-To: <20050301.150324.23949.18106@webmail22.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <002701c51eb9$b2719b60$84c14c51@oemcomputer> Bob wrote: "Someday soon when all the cars have been de-taped, most of us will miss the cassette tape for our cars. Maybe someone will put out a special compact disk adapter so we can play our outboard cassette players!" I wouldn't write cassette off too soon ... a friend of mine recently bought a top of the range GPS navigation system for her car inclusive of a FM radio and ... wait for it ... cassette player!!! She'd expected CD, or MD at the very least, and was most put out when it came with such "old technology" !!! Gra' > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 2 00:22:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:22:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. In-Reply-To: <42239581.1050002@cox.net> References: <42229595.3060106@woods-and-waters.com> <42239581.1050002@cox.net> Message-ID: <4224F94D.9090000@woods-and-waters.com> Hi guys, Tim Barrett wrote: > This is a new on for me, Kermit. The transport should be static and not > moving when there are no buttons pressed. The most that might be > happening is that the capstans may be rotating, but that's all. I > believe that on this model, the capstan motor is always on when the > power is on. > David Thompson wrote: > > Excellent 581 buy. The capstan motor continually running is normal for the 580 series. Well, I won't worry about it .. thanks for the info! The seller doesn't know much about the 581 I guess. > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> I just scored a Nakamichi 581 cassette deck on eBay for $49.95! I've >> long wanted one of these pad lifter decks. Now I'll have one. >> >> In the description the seller wrote, "Please know this is a huge >> cassette deck that operates in what I consider a strange way in that >> when powered on, the tape transports actually are moving until play is >> pressed. As far as I know this is the way the deck is designed, but >> I don't want anyone to think this is some problem." >> >> Is this correct or does the deck have a problem? Too late, I bought it >> using Buy It Now, but for the price I can afford to have it fixed if >> it does have a problem. >> > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 2 00:30:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:30:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4224FB2D.6010803@woods-and-waters.com> Shalom Alex, Alex Cozac wrote: > SO...IF I want to obtain the "Best" results with my Dragon I MUST use > Dolby "C"...?, instead the "B" one...? Dolby C! Definitely! > However when I decide to record a cassette mainly for my car radio/tape > gear...I will record with NO NR at ALL!...As sound a little bright with > Dolby "B"...and I read that "C" is improperly for listening trough my > relative low/medium priced auto gear that I own! Absolutely right. For autosound cassette, no noise reduction is best. Mark Hugo wrote: > I'm pretty sure you'll be impressed!! I second that! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 2 00:37:17 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:37:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <000b01c51ded$d62c2880$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> References: <000b01c51ded$d62c2880$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4224FCAD.30301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > In circumstances as poor as > these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state of > the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those top > of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some such > limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because the > ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in the > standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your 1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 2 01:13:13 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:13:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK In-Reply-To: <000a01c51ded$d4fe08c0$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> References: <000a01c51ded$d4fe08c0$ecae4e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <42250519.3090004@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys (We need some Naka-chicks on here!), Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > Ah, yes - I did have some jamming with the Memorex. Main problem with them, > though, was they flaked off lumps of oxide! > Think "pad lifter" cassette deck because the lower the head pressure the less the shedding, all things being equal. > Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? Big, green and bad sounding. 3M/Wollensak made a line of work-horse cassette recorders and players, reel-to-reels, and cassette duplicators that were reliable, easy to use, versatile -- and ugly. They enjoyed popularity in the 1960s and 1970s among schools, law enforcement, military, government, corporate audiovisual departments, language labs, laboratories, civic organizations, churches, synagogues, temples, mosques, tabernacles, &c. Wollensak recorders and players were the de facto standard for audiovisual work in the United States for quite some time. An entire cottage industry grew up around them. I did quite a bit of audiovisual work in the late 1970s and early 1980s, so owning several Wollensak recorders and players was expected, and required to be competitve. Technical riders often specified the use of a Wollensak! Unfortunately they were almost always monaural, had built-in 5 to 8-watt amplifiers and oval paper cone full range speakers. Many of the cassette recorders had circuitry to allow them to automatically advance certain slide projects (Kodak Ektagraphic, Dukane, and Bell & Howell). The 2500 series cassette recorders, like my 2551AV, typically had selectable manual/auto record level, about 50-10,000 Hz response and a 45 dB signal-to-noise ratio. Light green, about the size of a small briefcase, with a cheesy dynamic omni mic supplied. Mains power only, but it had a handle so it was portable, right? The Wollensak "Cassette Guardian" tape mechanism was rugged, ingenious, and never jammed a casette. Flutter-and-wow actually wasn't that bad on the rudimentary, all-mechanical, ac-synchronous motor-driven "Cassette Guardian" tape mechanism. Beats a Dragon. Sure it does. Uh huh. Well, they were OK-ish sounding for their intended purpose, but there was no hi in their fi! Two aspirin music! Want to see one of my 2551AVs? Click on http://www.woods-and-waters.com/wollensak2551av.jpg Alex Cozac wrote: > Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? > > I call back in earnest first Dolby B cassette deck...this model have > two analogue meters, the "Originally" one with other name...that now I > can recall...had only "ONE" meter and a switch for assure each > channel...I'm wrong...Kermit? > > Maybe is Advent...Kermit? > Yes! That's the Advent, the Model One (IF I recall the model correctly!) The Advent was quite good, but the Nakamichi 500 had better high end response and that famous Naka-sound. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Mar 2 07:32:32 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:32:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <001101c51ea4$08e321a0$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: Hi Jon, Dynamat is one of the better products for sound dampening in the car. Acoustimat is another. Basically depends on what you are trying to achieve when dampening, lower road noise or purely for the speaker enclosures. For lower road noise, you have a major job of doing the firewall/dash, the inside of the doors, the entire floorspace underneath the carpets and the boot. Big job. If your car is reasonably well damped originally (by the manufacturer) then just do the inside of the door cavity (cos the front speakers are usually put there or in the kickpanels). If the boot is not damped at all, do the floor and the lid of the boot. If you have a subwoofer placed in the boot, don't dampen the boot wall directly facing it cos this will redce the reflection of the bass waves back into the car cabin. Doing the hood/engine bay requires the use of fire retardant material which most of these are not. However, you can use some of the deflex type materal which reduces the vibration of the panels/hood and reduce engine noise that way instead of thru dampening per se. Simialrly, dong the roof requires the entire headlining to be removed and is a big job. In my case, I have a Honda Accord and it is resonable well damped by the manufacturer so all I did was add in the dampening to the inside of the doors (making sure the window glass can still operate up/down unhindered) and the boot. The roof, engine bay/hood, firewall and floorpan was already pre-dampened by Honda. From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Mar 2 14:53:21 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:53:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... Message-ID: <001b01c51f2f$38a1f7f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Gents..... Interesting topic, Mobile Nak gear is one of my favorite dabbling past times. Allow me to share a few thoughts...... Since 1989, when I purchased my Honda Prelude SI 4ws ride, I've used a Mobile Nak deck as the music player. Started with replacing the factory issues deck (Alpine manufactured, Honda markings) with a brand new Nak RD-460 tuner/cassette deck. Heavenly at that time and place. I also replaced the back window 6.5 inch speakers with Nak three way speakers. In 1999, after many great and trouble-free years of RD-460 use, I stepped up to the TD-560 deck, with PA-350 quad amp. The TD-560 is a quality auto-reverse deck, with the Nak Dragon playback head, azimuth adjustment, and dual capstan transport mechanism. I've always required autoreverse in my mobile decks, so the TD-560 was my goal from the start when I read about the phenomental mobile gear set-up Nakamichi was offering in the late 1980's (TD-560, CDC-101, DAC-101. Expensive set-up when purchased new though (together as a package, about $2,000 USD), beyond my ability to purchase at that time. So a few years later, in the late 1990's, I was able to get the TD-560 at reduced cost from a local audio shop. Anyway, I also juiced things by adding Nak speakers in the front end, two ways, and then placed a Nak electronic crossover box between the amps and speakers. Bought a back-up used TD-560 a couple years ago, just in case. Turned out nicely, and I'm still using that set-up to this day. I've been semi-serious about adding the compatible CDC-101 compact disc changer in the trunk, almost bought one of those off of ebay last autumn. Some day I suppose :-}}. I might add that the Nak PA-350 has 35 watts per channel, which is more than adequate for inside a car listening area.. One additional tweak to mention, and that's placing dampener material behind and around the speakers. I had the local audio shop place dynamat absorption into the door panels and back window deck, which have really accentuated the sound repro. I can crank up the bass and treble at will and responsiveness is excellent. No chatter, rattles or distortion. Of course, having a high quality deck and amp from Nak together assures splendid results, when placed into a well-made automobile. Forget the mongo power scene, clarity and moderate depth is what this kind of set-up with provide to discerning ears. Nak decks in the house, Mobile Nak banner hanging in the garage, and Mobile Nak decks and other gear in the car, what else does an audio crazed analogue cassette deck NakFanatic really need? Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W kjbleus at lycos.com http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon/kjpvault2002.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:40:32 +0000 From: "winnie pooh" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Graham, Well, I am one of those who is into car audio as well as home audio, especially Naks. Why car audio when the car is such a harsh environment for sound reproduction? Well, otherwise, I would not be able to have some decent sounding music on the move! Seeing my daily travel is around 45 mins to and 45 mins fro, it is relaxing for me to have some decent sounding music on the move. So what else but Nakamichi so that I can take advantage of my home compilation from my home Naks! In my car I run a 4 way active setup (3 way if you don't count the subwoofer). The source/head unit is a Nakamichi Mobile Tuner Deck 1 with adjustable azimuth (but not dual capstan :-( tape transport) and this is matched with the CDC-101 10 disc CD changer. The RCA outputs go into an AudioControl 4XS active crossover and this then feeds a Nak PA350 for the tweeters (35w/channel, I only use 2 out of the 4 channels available), a Nak PA300II for the midrange (75w/channel) and then a Soundstream MC500 for the bass woofers (125w/channel) and subwoofer(250w/channel). Speakers are not Nak speakers though. In the car, even with its harsh environment, an active setup will be able to give you pretty decent music on the move, although it will never match equivalently priced home systems. I would love to add in a TD-700 or TD-1200 but for convenience reasons I would like to stick with my current cassette/CD/tuner sources and a TD-700 or TD-1200 would take away my CD source :-( Anyway, all in I'm quite happy with my car audio setup as it is and you certainly won't hear any unwanted road noise/outside noise if you don't want to! I have also added sound dampening to the car doors and DIY'ed the entire car audio installation. Kelvin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 2 10:47:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:47:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK Message-ID: >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? >> >>I call back in earnest first Dolby B cassette deck...this model have >>two analogue meters, the "Originally" one with other name...that now I >>can recall...had only "ONE" meter and a switch for assure each >>channel...I'm wrong...Kermit? >> >>Maybe is Advent...Kermit? >> > >Yes! That's the Advent, the Model One (IF I recall the model correctly!) >The Advent was quite good, but the Nakamichi 500 had better high end >response and that famous Naka-sound. > >Dear Kermit! Maybe I'm wrong, but to my large knowledge...the Nak 500 that once I own under Nak brand (White side wood case!), same that the same product under "Sonab" brand that I also had once, came much later that the heritage and "First" ever made using the Dolby B NR fully adjustable also an ugly machine, but...nice sound and been fully mechanical no failures...! Kermit have a nice productive day! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Nelson >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TYPE 1,120 bias TALK >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:13:13 -0500 > >Hi Guys (We need some Naka-chicks on here!), > > >Nelson wrote: >>Hi Kermit >> >>Ah, yes - I did have some jamming with the Memorex. Main problem with >>them, >>though, was they flaked off lumps of oxide! >> >Think "pad lifter" cassette deck because the lower the head pressure the >less the shedding, all things being equal. > >>Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? > >Big, green and bad sounding. > >3M/Wollensak made a line of work-horse cassette recorders and players, >reel-to-reels, and cassette duplicators that were reliable, easy to use, >versatile -- and ugly. They enjoyed popularity in the 1960s and 1970s among >schools, law enforcement, military, government, corporate audiovisual >departments, language labs, laboratories, civic organizations, churches, >synagogues, temples, mosques, tabernacles, &c. > >Wollensak recorders and players were the de facto standard for audiovisual >work in the United States for quite some time. An entire cottage industry >grew up around them. I did quite a bit of audiovisual work in the late >1970s and early 1980s, so owning several Wollensak recorders and players >was expected, and required to be competitve. Technical riders often >specified the use of a Wollensak! > >Unfortunately they were almost always monaural, had built-in 5 to 8-watt >amplifiers and oval paper cone full range speakers. Many of the cassette >recorders had circuitry to allow them to automatically advance certain >slide projects (Kodak Ektagraphic, Dukane, and Bell & Howell). > >The 2500 series cassette recorders, like my 2551AV, typically had >selectable manual/auto record level, about 50-10,000 Hz response and a 45 >dB signal-to-noise ratio. Light green, about the size of a small briefcase, >with a cheesy dynamic omni mic supplied. Mains power only, but it had a >handle so it was portable, right? > >The Wollensak "Cassette Guardian" tape mechanism was rugged, ingenious, and >never jammed a casette. Flutter-and-wow actually wasn't that bad on the >rudimentary, all-mechanical, ac-synchronous motor-driven "Cassette >Guardian" tape mechanism. > >Beats a Dragon. > >Sure it does. > >Uh huh. > >Well, they were OK-ish sounding for their intended purpose, but there was >no hi in their fi! > >Two aspirin music! > >Want to see one of my 2551AVs? > >Click on http://www.woods-and-waters.com/wollensak2551av.jpg > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? >> >>I call back in earnest first Dolby B cassette deck...this model have >>two analogue meters, the "Originally" one with other name...that now I >>can recall...had only "ONE" meter and a switch for assure each >>channel...I'm wrong...Kermit? >> >>Maybe is Advent...Kermit? >> > >Yes! That's the Advent, the Model One (IF I recall the model correctly!) >The Advent was quite good, but the Nakamichi 500 had better high end >response and that famous Naka-sound. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 2 10:49:13 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:49:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <4224FCAD.30301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: kERMIT....Always learning...Bravo! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:37:17 -0500 > >Hi Gra' > >Nelson wrote: > > In circumstances as poor as >>these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state of >>the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those >>top >>of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some such >>limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because the >>ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in >>the >>standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? > >There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of >the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, >but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the >chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) > >The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or >Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening space's >dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high are masked. >So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range you cannot >hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the sound to about 3 dB >dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your 1962 Ford Falcon at >highway speeds with the windows rolled down. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 2 10:59:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:59:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. Message-ID: Guys! Same in all Nak machines to my ample cognition...was in my first 700 Mk-1 and also on my lovely 1000 Mlk-2 and 1000ZXL and today in my Dragon, mines 500 & 600 Mk-2 really I don't recollect!... So what??????. The main motor move into work/turn, when receive mains power...Must be so!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Tim Barrett >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 question. >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:22:53 -0500 > >Hi guys, > >Tim Barrett wrote: >>This is a new on for me, Kermit. The transport should be static and not >>moving when there are no buttons pressed. The most that might be >>happening is that the capstans may be rotating, but that's all. I believe >>that on this model, the capstan motor is always on when the power is on. >> > >David Thompson wrote: > > > > Excellent 581 buy. The capstan motor continually running is normal for >the 580 series. > > >Well, I won't worry about it .. thanks for the info! The seller doesn't >know much about the 581 I guess. > >>Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> >>>I just scored a Nakamichi 581 cassette deck on eBay for $49.95! I've long >>>wanted one of these pad lifter decks. Now I'll have one. >>> >>>In the description the seller wrote, "Please know this is a huge cassette >>>deck that operates in what I consider a strange way in that when powered >>>on, the tape transports actually are moving until play is pressed. As >>>far as I know this is the way the deck is designed, but I don't want >>>anyone to think this is some problem." >>> >>>Is this correct or does the deck have a problem? Too late, I bought it >>>using Buy It Now, but for the price I can afford to have it fixed if it >>>does have a problem. >>> >> >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 2 11:05:13 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:05:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NR or no NR In-Reply-To: <4224FB2D.6010803@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Thank you Kermit...I fully accept your advise/proposal. ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NR or no NR >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:30:53 -0500 > >Shalom Alex, > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>SO...IF I want to obtain the "Best" results with my Dragon I MUST use >>Dolby "C"...?, instead the "B" one...? > >Dolby C! Definitely! > >>However when I decide to record a cassette mainly for my car radio/tape >>gear...I will record with NO NR at ALL!...As sound a little bright with >>Dolby "B"...and I read that "C" is improperly for listening trough my >>relative low/medium priced auto gear that I own! > >Absolutely right. For autosound cassette, no noise reduction is best. > >Mark Hugo wrote: > > I'm pretty sure you'll be impressed!! > >I second that! > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Mar 2 15:14:22 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:14:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] on tapes and sounds in cars.... In-Reply-To: <002701c51eb9$b2719b60$84c14c51@oemcomputer> References: <20050301.150324.23949.18106@webmail22.lax.untd.com> <002701c51eb9$b2719b60$84c14c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050302091327.01a681d8@psulias.psu.edu> My 2003 Subaru WRX came with both a 6 disc change and a tape deck. Not a bad tape deck at that. At 06:52 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote: >Bob wrote: "Someday soon when all the cars have been de-taped, most of us >will miss the cassette tape for our cars. Maybe someone will put out a >special compact disk adapter so we can play our outboard cassette players!" > >I wouldn't write cassette off too soon ... a friend of mine recently bought >a top of the range GPS navigation system for her car inclusive of a FM radio >and ... wait for it ... cassette player!!! She'd expected CD, or MD at the >very least, and was most put out when it came with such "old technology" !!! > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Mar 2 15:56:41 2005 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:56:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D8F6@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <001501c51f38$16d42a40$6401a8c0@aisha> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5752927605 &rd=1 Looks extra mint though. SM From rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 2 16:12:37 2005 From: rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Perrie) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:12:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems Message-ID: <000c01c51f3a$450de570$b9e94354@pc1> My 700 II is displaying speed instability. I've replaced the capstan belt and the centre drive belt to no avail. Anyone got any ideas please? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 2 19:17:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:17:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <4224FCAD.30301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000e01c51f54$1d18b6c0$54d94c51@oemcomputer> Hi Kermit Well, I'm glad it's not just me! May be I should record the cassettes for the car using my ol' mint CD320 Superscope and engage the Limiter switch ... Grinham... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 01 March 2005 23:37 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > In circumstances as poor as > > these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having > some state of > > the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one > of those top > > of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley > or some such > > limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, > because the > > ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. > But in the > > standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? > > There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of > the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, > but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the > chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) > > The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or > Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening > space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high > are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic > range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the > sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your > 1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > From jberger at well.com Wed Mar 2 19:39:25 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:39:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200503021101.j22B0TpJ023718@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503021101.j22B0TpJ023718@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: It was the Advent 200 (and the companion, playback-only Advent 100). The Advent 200 was the first cassette deck to try to turn the dictation cassette into a higher-quality audio product, because it was the first deck that had both Dolby B noise reduction and support for CrO2 (chrome, or Type II) tape formulations. Now who could have created such an innovation, and manufactured it on an OEM basis? Nakamichi! The Advent 100 was very close to a Nak 250, and the 200 was a predecessor for the Nak 500. The two most annoying features of the Advent 200 were: single meter for displaying level (and I seem to recall that it just showed a combined signal level, not a switchable one), and the FF/REW lever did not lock into place, so you had to hold it to the side until the tape finished. >From Dolby's web site: In the summer of 1970, the first cassette recorders with Dolby B-type NR.all built by Nakamichi, at that time an exclusively OEM manufacturer in Japan.were introduced by Advent, Fisher, and Harman Kardon. And shortly thereafter, Advent changed to a Wollensak transport and came out with the Advent 201 (now that I think about it, this may have been the one with the non-locking lever). > Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? > > I call back in earnest first Dolby B cassette deck...this model have > two analogue meters, the "Originally" one with other name...that now I > can recall...had only "ONE" meter and a switch for assure each > channel...I'm wrong...Kermit? > > Maybe is Advent...Kermit? > Yes! That's the Advent, the Model One (IF I recall the model correctly!) The Advent was quite good, but the Nakamichi 500 had better high end response and that famous Naka-sound. From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 2 20:08:29 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:08:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <4224FCAD.30301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Just in case any of you guys come up on the lottery and decide to buy a new Roller or Bently so as to install your Nak ICE, dont do it ! it wont fit! the German parent companies who now build these monsters have fitted integrated ICEs and niether sell a din adaptor to take your beloved Nak! You could bolt it on top of the dash I suppose? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: 01 March 2005 23:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > In circumstances as poor as > these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state of > the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those top > of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some such > limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because the > ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in the > standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your 1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 20:46:01 2005 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:46:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 3 Nak Decks for Sale In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050302194602.97786.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> I expressed an interest to Carl and mentioned that I was local to Oakland and probably could pick up if that worked for him. I never heard back. Perhaps these are sopoken for... On another note, I got a free MR-2 that work was getting rid of in very good condition. It works fine and just needs the idler tire replaced (had problem when I first hit rewind, but has been okay since). The only problem is that they removed the rack handles. It still has the rack ears, but 4 holes where the handles go and I doubt they can find them. I could go a get another MR-2 from eaby - they go cheap, but if it was in any kind of good condition, I'd want to fix it and would still be short the rack handles. oh well... fripp_em --- CC wrote: > Ali, > Only want to sell all three. The 670zx works fine > although it is missing > three of its four rubber feet. ZX9 was my deck of > choice until the > capstan failed; bummer. I use the CR7A now. > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Carl, How much would you take for the broken > ZX-9, never owned > > one! would be nice to have, let me know. > Thanks! > > > > With Best Regards! > > Ali > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 2 21:33:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:33:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <001b01c51f2f$38a1f7f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <001b01c51f2f$38a1f7f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <42262301.3070705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bleus, KJ Bleus wrote: > Nak decks in the house, Mobile Nak banner hanging in the garage, and > Mobile Nak decks and other gear in the car, what else does an audio > crazed analogue cassette deck NakFanatic really need? An infinite supply of tapes, unlimited music and a beautiful woman (in spirit, if not otherwise,) to share the experience! Otherwise, you have it all! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Thu Mar 3 00:29:14 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:29:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: <200503010936.j219aRJE019920@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503010936.j219aRJE019920@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <620218b7fb25d4cb31572e250587198e@mac.com> Well, I don't have a Rolls. I have a noisy, dented 87 subaru wagon. I've always had big fancy car stereos because a) with enough amps you can counter any road noise and b) sometimes I live in my car and then it's really nice to have a good system. Some of the best listening experiences I've had have been with my car system cranking, all the car doors open and in some remote, deeply silent desert spot. In a still, quiet environment like that, good audio can sound amazing. Of course, Gra, your little island might not afford such experiences... from the wide open spaces of the American West, Fred On Mar 1, 2005, at 1:36 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Alex Cozac > Date: March 1, 2005 1:00:08 AM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Shalom Gra' > > NEXT step a Rolls Royce...the quietest/most muted/most placid car for > listen Hi-Fi Nakamichi stereo car inside!!! SO...my dear > Gra'...think/conceive & consider on it!!!! > > Have a nice day! > > ALEX! > > > >> From: "Nelson" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:32:58 -0000 >> >> May be it's just me but I just don't get it. Now, my Fiesta is one of >> Ford's mini hatchback luxury models, a Ghia appointed vehicle with a >> quiet >> and nippy Zetec engine in it. As cars go it's pretty quiet on the >> inside - >> quieter than any other car I've ever owned, including a 1976 Merc, and >> certainly quieter than the Ford Sierra diesel engine vehicle I also >> have >> that my wife is using for motorway driving to university. But the >> Fiesta is >> still noisy when driving even on a good road, all the more @ 50-70 >> mph. I >> mean, to hear the radio or cassette recorder above the tyre/road >> noise (the >> engine is the least of the problem these days), I have to crank up the >> volume from (on the Ford radio volume measure) 6 all the way to 12-13. >> sometimes to 15 - i.e. more than doubling it! In circumstances as >> poor as >> these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some >> state of >> the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of >> those top >> of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some >> such >> limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, >> because the >> ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But >> in the >> standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? I mean, isn't it a >> bit >> like putting Porsche low profile wheels and tyres on a Ford T ? Or, >> isn't >> it like having a great hi fi system playing in a house with all the >> windows >> open, that sits beneath the flight path of Kennedy airport?!! I >> mean, who >> cares if the music reproduction is fabulous if you can't hear it's >> fabulous? >> >> But if someone would make an in car system that offered headphone >> listening >> ... may be that WOULD have a point to it ... except I'll bet the road >> safety >> people would then claim it would be unsafe to drive a vehicle if one >> cannot >> hear the signals (horns) of other road users ... (Indeed, I still >> puzzle >> over the logic of it being said that it's unsafe to make or take >> mobile >> calls when driving the car, even hands free, but perfectly okay to >> listen to >> the in-car hi fi ... ) >> >> Gra' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3795 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 2 23:38:45 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:38:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems In-Reply-To: <000c01c51f3a$450de570$b9e94354@pc1> References: <000c01c51f3a$450de570$b9e94354@pc1> Message-ID: <42264075.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Roger, Also check those odd-shaped washers on the takeup and supply turntables/capstans. Then check the speed control circuit for a bad capacitor. Hope this helps! Roger Perrie wrote: > My 700 II is displaying speed instability. I've replaced the capstan > belt and the centre drive belt to no avail. Anyone got any ideas please? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Thu Mar 3 00:56:29 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:56:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... Message-ID: <200503021856_MC3-1-977A-3560@compuserve.com> Hi Kermit, Our family car was a 1962 Ford Falcon which we had until 1979. You just made me remember the car's mono radio with mechanical push buttons. Good old days.. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your 1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info < From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 3 01:41:39 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:41:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c51f89$c3a24760$d5f74c51@oemcomputer> So, which are the DBX units to go for? Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 3 02:59:43 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:59:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! In-Reply-To: <000e01c51f54$1d18b6c0$54d94c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c51f94$ac3b1060$adca4c51@oemcomputer> For anyone in the South of England, in reasonable travelling distance of Buckinghamshire, here's a chance to own a Nakamichi rival, possibly even a beater! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5755228783&ssPageN ame=STRK:MEWA:IT An Arcam Delta. They are as rare as hen's teeth! However, note one's not been used for about 2 years and I enquired if he'd tested it recently to which the answer came 'no, I've not got any tapes ... ' Hmmmm .... And he's got zero feedback. But look at the price! Even if it sells for £150 and it cost another £100 to get it back in order (I gather Arcam are still servicing them) it'd be a fine deck to add to the collection. Why not for me? Heck! I ain't driving down to Buckinghamshire all the way from Liverpool! Nightmare journey! Gra' > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 3 04:23:46 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:23:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 Message-ID: Amazing your erudition...Yea I yet recall I own the Advent 201!!!! Thanks for recalling my oldie memory! ALEX! >From: John Berger >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:39:25 -0800 (PST) > >It was the Advent 200 (and the companion, playback-only Advent 100). The >Advent 200 was the first cassette deck to try to turn the dictation >cassette into a higher-quality audio product, because it was the first >deck that had both Dolby B noise reduction and support for CrO2 (chrome, >or Type II) tape formulations. > >Now who could have created such an innovation, and manufactured it on an >OEM basis? Nakamichi! > >The Advent 100 was very close to a Nak 250, and the 200 was a predecessor >for the Nak 500. > >The two most annoying features of the Advent 200 were: single meter for >displaying level (and I seem to recall that it just showed a combined >signal level, not a switchable one), and the FF/REW lever did not lock >into place, so you had to hold it to the side until the tape finished. > > >From Dolby's web site: > >In the summer of 1970, the first cassette recorders with Dolby B-type >NR.all built by Nakamichi, at that time an exclusively OEM manufacturer in >Japan.were introduced by Advent, Fisher, and Harman Kardon. > >And shortly thereafter, Advent changed to a Wollensak transport and came >out with the Advent 201 (now that I think about it, this may have been the >one with the non-locking lever). > > > > Err.... what is a Wollensak 2551 ?? > > > > I call back in earnest first Dolby B cassette deck...this model have > > two analogue meters, the "Originally" one with other name...that now I > > can recall...had only "ONE" meter and a switch for assure each > > channel...I'm wrong...Kermit? > > > > Maybe is Advent...Kermit? > > > >Yes! That's the Advent, the Model One (IF I recall the model correctly!) >The Advent was quite good, but the Nakamichi 500 had better high end >response and that famous Naka-sound. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 3 04:47:55 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:47:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems Message-ID: Shalom Roger! Did you replace also the other belt?...As you wrote you changed the "Wide" one only, among the two capstan exist another smaller & thin belt...must be replaced both at the same time! Also put the deck "Horizontally"..and put 3 drops of oil on each capstan...you will noticed that have "Like" a "Hole"...for that, today I have a Tri-Tracer 1000 Mk2 and is the same like yours, clean and degauss very carefully the heads and all near of them specially the capstan which are made from metal! Inform us after that if all return as indeed? ALEX! >From: "Roger Perrie" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:12:37 -0000 > >My 700 II is displaying speed instability. I've replaced the capstan belt >and the centre drive belt to no avail. Anyone got any ideas please? >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 3 04:51:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:51:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... Message-ID: Lovely Colin! Was me from my "Dream"...to win a lottery!!! I changed my mind a Jaguar...instead a Bentley or RR! Cheaper and suffices me!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:08:29 -0000 > >Just in case any of you guys come up on the lottery and decide to buy a new >Roller or Bently so as to install your Nak ICE, dont do it ! it wont fit! >the German parent companies who now build these monsters have fitted >integrated ICEs and niether sell a din adaptor to take your beloved Nak! >You could bolt it on top of the dash I suppose? > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >Sent: 01 March 2005 23:37 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... > > >Hi Gra' > >Nelson wrote: > > In circumstances as poor as > > these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state >of > > the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those >top > > of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some >such > > limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because >the > > ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in >the > > standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? > >There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of >the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, >but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the >chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) > >The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or >Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening >space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high >are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic >range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the >sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your >1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. > >N-Joy! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 05:18:49 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <42262301.3070705@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050303041850.55270.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Nak never made memoribilia like mugs and such things did they? Aside from that I think you also need a fine system to show the polish of the Nak. After repairing a 680 I hooked it to my PC. It sounded terrible and I thought something else broke. I hooked it up to my hifi and just sat there for two solid hours listening to it! Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bleus, KJ Bleus wrote: > Nak decks in the house, Mobile Nak banner hanging in the garage, and > Mobile Nak decks and other gear in the car, what else does an audio > crazed analogue cassette deck NakFanatic really need? An infinite supply of tapes, unlimited music and a beautiful woman (in spirit, if not otherwise,) to share the experience! Otherwise, you have it all! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 05:44:21 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:44:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050303044421.61301.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> If I do ever buy eithr cars, or a Maybach, the first thing I would specify is a walnut cabinet with McIntosh equipment. The engine specs can come later. Bala Colin Marsh wrote: Just in case any of you guys come up on the lottery and decide to buy a new Roller or Bently so as to install your Nak ICE, dont do it ! it wont fit! the German parent companies who now build these monsters have fitted integrated ICEs and niether sell a din adaptor to take your beloved Nak! You could bolt it on top of the dash I suppose? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: 01 March 2005 23:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > In circumstances as poor as > these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having some state of > the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one of those top > of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley or some such > limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, because the > ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. But in the > standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your 1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 3 04:49:36 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:49:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <20050303041850.55270.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050303041850.55270.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42268950.2040206@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Nak never made memoribilia like mugs and such things did they? When I sold Nakamichi (briefly) in the late 1970s, the only ephemera they had were black tee-shirts with the stylized red "N" logo -- but I never knew anyone to take one. At the time, logo tee-shirts were regarded as crass commercialism. (No, I don't have one.) > Aside > from that I think you also need a fine system to show the polish of the > Nak. After repairing a 680 I hooked it to my PC. It sounded terrible and > I thought something else broke. I hooked it up to my hifi and just sat > there for two solid hours listening to it! Ab-so-lutely! Well said, a truer anecdote never was written! > > Bala > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hi Bleus, > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > Nak decks in the house, Mobile Nak banner hanging in the garage, and > > Mobile Nak decks and other gear in the car, what else does an audio > > crazed analogue cassette deck NakFanatic really need? > > An infinite supply of tapes, unlimited music and a beautiful woman (in > spirit, if not otherwise,) to share the experience! Otherwise, you have > it all! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 3 09:01:41 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:01:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! In-Reply-To: <001501c51f38$16d42a40$6401a8c0@aisha> Message-ID: Mint is a rating! Mint should only be used for items that are still in original packaging - unopened! this guy is asking a small fortune for this Dragon ($2700.00!) and you will be taking his word on what the history is. Don't forget that the new owner of this machine will own a "Third hand" Dragon! The seller seems to be offering no proof that what he says is true, not even the bill from the tech who "Looked" at the Dragon. Its so easy to get carried away buying from Ebay! so many people get ripped off because they actually believe all the seller tells them. Most of the advice I have had from the forum tells me that the worse thing to do with a Nak is to store it away for years on end and not power it up or use it, indeed I brought a ZX7 that had been carefully stored for 5 years and on purchase worked really well. Within 7 days it suffered electronic failures and needed ALL the rubber parts renewed. This seems to back up the "don't store" it theory! In the case of this Dragon I would not be surprised if the seller is not using a bit of savvie and going for our vulnerability as Nak lovers, and out outright wish to be the owner of, as the seller implies, probably the newest and best, unused Dragon around! !!Buyer beware!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:salimarz at telkom.net] Sent: 02 March 2005 14:57 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5752927605 &rd=1 Looks extra mint though. SM From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:53:59 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:53:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! In-Reply-To: <000001c51f94$ac3b1060$adca4c51@oemcomputer> References: <000e01c51f54$1d18b6c0$54d94c51@oemcomputer> <000001c51f94$ac3b1060$adca4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <518b7b1050303015323a57ecf@mail.gmail.com> Graham, I'm in London, but I don't know much about the Arcam Delta. Tell me more, I just might hazard the trip over the weekend. It's still at the starting porice of 25GBP ! George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:59:43 -0000, Nelson wrote: > For anyone in the South of England, in reasonable travelling distance of > Buckinghamshire, here's a chance to own a Nakamichi rival, possibly even a > beater! > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5755228783&ssPageN > ame=STRK:MEWA:IT An Arcam Delta. They are as rare as hen's teeth! > However, note one's not been used for about 2 years and I enquired if he'd > tested it recently to which the answer came 'no, I've not got any tapes ... > ' Hmmmm .... And he's got zero feedback. But look at the price! Even if > it sells for £150 and it cost another £100 to get it back in order (I gather > Arcam are still servicing them) it'd be a fine deck to add to the > collection. Why not for me? Heck! I ain't driving down to > Buckinghamshire all the way from Liverpool! Nightmare journey! > > Gra' > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Mar 3 11:40:09 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <20050303041850.55270.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050303104009.88038.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> They did do a small run of T-shirts circa 77/8 and of course the even smaller run of iron-on Nak Logo's! They also had the demo working 580/680 (Mechanically) Nak mechs that were used for trade shows and dealers. Probably not many, if any are out there complete, seem to remeber a bit of a famine around 1980 of belts, rollers and back tension assy's so most of them were stripped for parts. Happy days!! Mr N came over to the UK between 76 and 80 and a good time was had by all especially at the resturant at Harrow on the Hill, Creme'brol'a was a favourite I seem to remember!! There was also, the once a year signed christmas cards to the distributers, must get into the loft and dig all that stuff out sometime--ish. I think the original Blueprints for the 700 and 1000 and signed napkin are still there! Lift the hatch, 4 steps east, 9 steps north, 6 steps west, by the spilt remains of a Memorex C120 (Was it live, or was it Memotex)!!! Blimey! is that the time, must get back to 2005!! Terry Remember "P.C's are for Pictures, Spreadsheets and Words NOT AUDIO!!" Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Nak never made memoribilia like mugs and such things did they? Aside from that I think you also need a fine system to show the polish of the Nak. After repairing a 680 I hooked it to my PC. It sounded terrible and I thought something else broke. I hooked it up to my hifi and just sat there for two solid hours listening to it! Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bleus, KJ Bleus wrote: > Nak decks in the house, Mobile Nak banner hanging in the garage, and > Mobile Nak decks and other gear in the car, what else does an audio > crazed analogue cassette deck NakFanatic really need? An infinite supply of tapes, unlimited music and a beautiful woman (in spirit, if not otherwise,) to share the experience! Otherwise, you have it all! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! 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Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on English language...but for me "Mint"...is Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me un-opened box and never take away from the box! or maybe I'm wrong? Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed for 20 years and record/play ONE sole cassette, before his widow to given me...and remain working terrifically & marvelously! My lovely Colin any opinions? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:01:41 -0000 > >Mint is a rating! Mint should only be used for items that are still in >original packaging - unopened! this guy is asking a small fortune for this >Dragon ($2700.00!) and you will be taking his word on what the history is. >Don't forget that the new owner of this machine will own a "Third hand" >Dragon! The seller seems to be offering no proof that what he says is true, >not even the bill from the tech who "Looked" at the Dragon. Its so easy to >get carried away buying from Ebay! so many people get ripped off because >they actually believe all the seller tells them. Most of the advice I have >had from the forum tells me that the worse thing to do with a Nak is to >store it away for years on end and not power it up or use it, indeed I >brought a ZX7 that had been carefully stored for 5 years and on purchase >worked really well. Within 7 days it suffered electronic failures and >needed ALL the rubber parts renewed. This seems to back up the "don't >store" it theory! >In the case of this Dragon I would not be surprised if the seller is not >using a bit of savvie and going for our vulnerability as Nak lovers, and >out >outright wish to be the owner of, as the seller implies, probably the >newest >and best, unused Dragon around! > >!!Buyer beware!! > >Colin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:salimarz at telkom.net] >Sent: 02 March 2005 14:57 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5752927605 >&rd=1 > >Looks extra mint though. >SM > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From baynett at optonline.net Thu Mar 3 13:08:20 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:08:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4226FE34.3020605@optonline.net> Can't you buy one that is totally refurbed from ESL in Ct. Obviously a ruthless seller taking advantage of an uninformed buy. I see it all day long with people buying items for more used than they could if they just did a google and bought it new retail. I don't understand it. Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom my lovely Colin! > > Today I look at this item...as I understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! > So the buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" it is! > Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on English language...but for > me "Mint"...is Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me un-opened > box and never take away from the box! or maybe I'm wrong? > Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed for 20 years and > record/play ONE sole cassette, before his widow to given me...and > remain working terrifically & marvelously! > > My lovely Colin any opinions? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >> From: "Colin Marsh" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:01:41 -0000 >> >> Mint is a rating! Mint should only be used for items that are still in >> original packaging - unopened! this guy is asking a small fortune >> for this >> Dragon ($2700.00!) and you will be taking his word on what the >> history is. >> Don't forget that the new owner of this machine will own a "Third hand" >> Dragon! The seller seems to be offering no proof that what he says is >> true, >> not even the bill from the tech who "Looked" at the Dragon. Its so >> easy to >> get carried away buying from Ebay! so many people get ripped off >> because >> they actually believe all the seller tells them. Most of the advice >> I have >> had from the forum tells me that the worse thing to do with a Nak is to >> store it away for years on end and not power it up or use it, indeed I >> brought a ZX7 that had been carefully stored for 5 years and on purchase >> worked really well. Within 7 days it suffered electronic failures and >> needed ALL the rubber parts renewed. This seems to back up the "don't >> store" it theory! >> In the case of this Dragon I would not be surprised if the seller is not >> using a bit of savvie and going for our vulnerability as Nak lovers, >> and out >> outright wish to be the owner of, as the seller implies, probably the >> newest >> and best, unused Dragon around! >> >> !!Buyer beware!! >> >> Colin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:salimarz at telkom.net] >> Sent: 02 March 2005 14:57 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5752927605 >> >> &rd=1 >> >> Looks extra mint though. >> SM >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 3 14:40:26 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:40:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: <620218b7fb25d4cb31572e250587198e@mac.com> Message-ID: <000001c51ff6$8fe829e0$a4d0883e@oemcomputer> I can relate to that, Fred - When travelling in such remote places as the West Highlands of Scotland, or even slightly less remote, but still wild parts of North Wales or The Lake District in England, the experience of driving amongst the thin roads, that wind around the mountains and up or down the valleys, is very much enhanced by playing Clannad at high volumes! ( What's this "little island"? I'll have you know this is an unsinkable US aircraft carrier ... ) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 02 March 2005 23:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio Well, I don't have a Rolls. I have a noisy, dented 87 subaru wagon. I've always had big fancy car stereos because a) with enough amps you can counter any road noise and b) sometimes I live in my car and then it's really nice to have a good system. Some of the best listening experiences I've had have been with my car system cranking, all the car doors open and in some remote, deeply silent desert spot. In a still, quiet environment like that, good audio can sound amazing. Of course, Gra, your little island might not afford such experiences... from the wide open spaces of the American West, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Mar 3 16:08:48 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:08:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: <620218b7fb25d4cb31572e250587198e@mac.com> Message-ID: With a smug "little island" smile, may I just point out that once you have arrived Fred it is no longer a remote, deeply silent desert spot! >From the wide open spaces of the English South. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 02 March 2005 23:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio Well, I don't have a Rolls. I have a noisy, dented 87 subaru wagon. I've always had big fancy car stereos because a) with enough amps you can counter any road noise and b) sometimes I live in my car and then it's really nice to have a good system. Some of the best listening experiences I've had have been with my car system cranking, all the car doors open and in some remote, deeply silent desert spot. In a still, quiet environment like that, good audio can sound amazing. Of course, Gra, your little island might not afford such experiences... from the wide open spaces of the American West, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corkflor at iol.ie Thu Mar 3 16:54:21 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:54:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The other Alex wrote: >Today I look at this item...as I >understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! So the >buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" >it is! >Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on >English language...but for me "Mint"...is >Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me >un-opened box and never take away from the box! >or maybe I'm wrong? Don't know too much about Nak classifications, but I do know a fair amount about those for classic old Leica cameras, of which I have a few. 'Mint' means in perfect working order showing no signs of use whatsoever. One up from that is LNIB (like new in box). Would you believe that there are Leica collectors out there who still have items in shrink-wrap - never opened at all? The logic of this escapes me entirely - it might be a lump of lead in there for all they know. My favourite camera category is 'beater'. This means in good working order, but not pretty cosmetically. In other words, a camera you can afford to bounce down a mountainside without too many regrets. I have one of these I bought, rusty screws and all, for Euro 100, spent UK£150 getting it overhauled by my UK Leica wizard, and now it performs brilliantly. >Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed >for 20 years and record/play ONE sole cassette, >before his widow to given me...and remain >working terrifically & marvelously! That sounds like the car also owned by a widow, which according to the salesman, had only been used to go down her drive to collect the milk.......:-) Best (Another) Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From fff-music at millic.com.ar Thu Mar 3 17:43:49 2005 From: fff-music at millic.com.ar (musica) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:43:49 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] thanks for the manual Message-ID: <04db56c65ed85a245095666c9ac40c2e@millic.com.ar> > From: musica > Date: March 1, 2005 1:58:34 PM GMT-03:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual > > Hi TOM, > > I received the manual > Thank you very much for your help. > Best regards > Fabio > > On Feb 26, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > >> Hi Bala, I have a copy I can send to you but sorry Fabio I don't have >> the service manual. Bala if you can wait for one day more I'll send >> it to your email account but I'm on 56 dial-up today and don't have >> the bandwidth. >>   >>     Tom. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:46 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 II service manual >> >> Hi, >>   >>          I am looking for a manual also. Great if someone has it. >>   >> Bala >> >> fff-music at millic.com.ar wrote: >> Hi, does anyone has the Nakamichi 700 II service manual ? >> Appreciatte any help. >> Regards >> fabio >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3218 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jberger at well.com Thu Mar 3 18:45:36 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:45:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <200503031101.j23B0Ol9027778@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503031101.j23B0Ol9027778@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Well, the coolest Nak memorabilia that I've seen was the Nakamichi bicycle. I've also seen black coffee mogs with the logo and name, and I have a belt buckle from the dealer that I used to work for (Imperial Sound, in Tulsa, OK) with the Nak name & logo, but we had it done locally. Somewhere in a box in the garage I have a T-shirt for the 1000ZXL. I saw one of the bicycles sell on ebay within the past week; new in a box. > > Nak never made memoribilia like mugs and such things did they? Aside > from that I think you also need a fine system to show the polish of the > Nak. After repairing a 680 I hooked it to my PC. It sounded terrible and > I thought something else broke. I hooked it up to my hifi and just sat > there for two solid hours listening to it! > Bala From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 20:46:33 2005 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:46:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Question about route selectors, timers, and noise reduction. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050303194633.58159.qmail@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> I thought I would ask for some recommendations: I currently have a preamp with 3 tape loops in one system and an amp with 2 loops in another I'm using. I would like to expand since I have several tape decks and would also like to add dbx noise reduction (looking forward to opinions on the best of those). I see dbx 200 (passive) and 400 models on ebay often. Any thoughts one how good these are and which ones to look for? The only new router I have read about is Esoteric Sound's "Superconnector" - list for $299. Anyone ever have the chance to try one out? On timers, I would like to record from radio to cassette and was wondering if anyone has any favorite timers. Does anyone still make these? Were there ones ever made that could selectively turn on components, e.g., one tape at time x and the second deck at time x + 45 minutes, or did you have to buy multiple timers? Lastly, for those who are recording from LP to tape, does anyone have a favorite noise, i.e., pop and click, reducer. I remember SAE and I think KLH (burwen?) models. Esoteric also makes one consumer model, the "Surface Noise Reducer", but it is $425. This list is a great resource for those of us who love our Nak tape decks. Thanks! fripp_em __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 3 20:51:24 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:51:24 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... References: <20050303104009.88038.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007a01c5202a$61eaf2f0$6c1b98de@tec> Hi Terry It would be lovely if the record industry agreed about the use of PCs. I have a TEAC 2300 2 track recorder as well as a Nak 600, and I spoke recently with a touring folk artist about doing a live recording next time she came to Thames in New Zealand, and her response was - hard drive recordings only or perhaps minidisc. The reasoning was (I am guessing) that it is all so much more compact when touring solo. But there are other reasonings also, more to do with technology, software eg Pro Tools recording system etc. So I guess my TEAC is a dinosaur and all those 10.5'' BASF tapes are so much binder twine. I must admit it is a bit of a lunk to carry around. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: TERRY FINN To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... They did do a small run of T-shirts circa 77/8 and of course the even smaller run of iron-on Nak Logo's! They also had the demo working 580/680 (Mechanically) Nak mechs that were used for trade shows and dealers. Probably not many, if any are out there complete, seem to remeber a bit of a famine around 1980 of belts, rollers and back tension assy's so most of them were stripped for parts. Happy days!! Mr N came over to the UK between 76 and 80 and a good time was had by all especially at the resturant at Harrow on the Hill, Creme'brol'a was a favourite I seem to remember!! There was also, the once a year signed christmas cards to the distributers, must get into the loft and dig all that stuff out sometime--ish. I think the original Blueprints for the 700 and 1000 and signed napkin are still there! Lift the hatch, 4 steps east, 9 steps north, 6 steps west, by the spilt remains of a Memorex C120 (Was it live, or was it Memotex)!!! Blimey! is that the time, must get back to 2005!! Terry Remember "P.C's are for Pictures, Spreadsheets and Words NOT AUDIO!!" Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Nak never made memoribilia like mugs and such things did they? Aside from that I think you also need a fine system to show the polish of the Nak. After repairing a 680 I hooked it to my PC. It sounded terrible and I thought something else broke. I hooked it up to my hifi and just sat there for two solid hours listening to it! Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bleus, KJ Bleus wrote: > Nak decks in the house, Mobile Nak banner hanging in the garage, and > Mobile Nak decks and other gear in the car, what else does an audio > crazed analogue cassette deck NakFanatic really need? An infinite supply of tapes, unlimited music and a beautiful woman (in spirit, if not otherwise,) to share the experience! Otherwise, you have it all! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! 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URL: From jberger at well.com Thu Mar 3 21:53:59 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:53:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff Message-ID: I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't ship it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). That must be what's holding the price down (currently $77). From rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 3 22:12:48 2005 From: rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Perrie) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:12:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems Message-ID: <000601c52035$c0ea6730$cecb4f51@pc1> I removed the capstans, cleaned them thoroughly and replaced them. Speed now seems to be stable. Now I'll turn my attention to the next problem; tape spillage which I suspect is caused by inadequate torque on the take up spool. It only happens when the machine is warm; everything is OK first thing in the morning before the room has warmed up. I guess it means stripping down the ball drive mechanisms. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 From rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 3 22:20:26 2005 From: rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Perrie) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:20:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon Message-ID: <000601c52036$d198ebf0$cecb4f51@pc1> I agree with the sentiment about not storing Nakamichis or in fact any electro-mechanical devices. I purchased my 700 II from a chap who had stored it in his attic for the last ten years or so. It played fine for three days then started showing it's true colour; speed instability, tape spillage, recording suspect. My advice would be to check any machine thoroughly before parting with your cash. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Mar 4 02:06:30 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK CONTRIBUTION CHALLENGE Message-ID: <14234-4227B496-1791@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with you all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I "CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best it can be!! thank you very much, gerald From rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 3 23:20:05 2005 From: rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Perrie) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:20:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff Message-ID: <000601c5203f$26c859a0$cecb4f51@pc1> I distinctly remember a nakamichi advert from around the late 70's; a picture of a beautiful woman with a silver Nakamichi logo ear-ring! Don't know if they were ever really made though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 4 00:01:20 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:01:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050303015323a57ecf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No feedback and the old "Ive got no tapes to test it" exuse! nearly as good as "I cant find the power lead" or "It has no plug on the lead" once again BUYER BEWARE!!! Also a friend had one of these and had problems with the transport! not up to Arcams usual standards I think? Colin -----Original Message----- From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: 03 March 2005 09:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! Graham, I'm in London, but I don't know much about the Arcam Delta. Tell me more, I just might hazard the trip over the weekend. It's still at the starting porice of 25GBP ! George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:59:43 -0000, Nelson wrote: > For anyone in the South of England, in reasonable travelling distance of > Buckinghamshire, here's a chance to own a Nakamichi rival, possibly even a > beater! > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5755228783&ssPageN > ame=STRK:MEWA:IT An Arcam Delta. They are as rare as hen's teeth! > However, note one's not been used for about 2 years and I enquired if he'd > tested it recently to which the answer came 'no, I've not got any tapes ... > ' Hmmmm .... And he's got zero feedback. But look at the price! Even if > it sells for £150 and it cost another £100 to get it back in order (I gather > Arcam are still servicing them) it'd be a fine deck to add to the > collection. Why not for me? Heck! I ain't driving down to > Buckinghamshire all the way from Liverpool! Nightmare journey! > > Gra' > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 4 01:14:12 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:14:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To both Alexs I use classifications as used by "the best" record dealers. Mint is not used often used because it is a classification used only for a record that can be proven unplayed. in perfect condition and without signs of aging. A mint condition coin is also another example! How can "As new" be used for an electronic machine that is over 10 years old? one of my Naks, brought new failed after 2 months, it was replaced because the dealer put the failure down to the fact that it had been stored in his warehouse for a year before selling! Even if it has never been taken from the box its component parts MUST be showing signs of age after 10 years! Unless these classifications are standardised you should take them "with a pinch of salt"! I have been wheeling and dealing all my adult life and I know how to reel in a punter when selling! E bay has brought out a load of sellers who use these classifications and colourful descriptions to reel in the buyers and get the best price they can! you can lie you can cheat! you can even sell something that doesnt exist and get away with it! If I was paying that sort of money for a Dragon I would want to see an authorised Nak techs condition report preferably less than a month old verifying the sellers description, and I would also insist on some sort of warrantee! I would insist on collecting the item in person and would not part with a penny untill I was aboloutly certain that the item was "as listed"!! As an old hand at the trading game sellers descriptions like this don't add up! and as I said before, BUYER BEWARE!!! As to the $2700.00 or whatever the guy got in the end, I know that a fully reconditioned Dragon from a top authorised and trusted Nak tech in the UK would be much cheaper!! and you would get the security of a full, comprehensive warrantee! a much better deal I think! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hurst [mailto:corkflor at iol.ie] Sent: 03 March 2005 15:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! The other Alex wrote: >Today I look at this item...as I >understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! So the >buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" >it is! >Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on >English language...but for me "Mint"...is >Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me >un-opened box and never take away from the box! >or maybe I'm wrong? Don't know too much about Nak classifications, but I do know a fair amount about those for classic old Leica cameras, of which I have a few. 'Mint' means in perfect working order showing no signs of use whatsoever. One up from that is LNIB (like new in box). Would you believe that there are Leica collectors out there who still have items in shrink-wrap - never opened at all? The logic of this escapes me entirely - it might be a lump of lead in there for all they know. My favourite camera category is 'beater'. This means in good working order, but not pretty cosmetically. In other words, a camera you can afford to bounce down a mountainside without too many regrets. I have one of these I bought, rusty screws and all, for Euro 100, spent UK£150 getting it overhauled by my UK Leica wizard, and now it performs brilliantly. >Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed >for 20 years and record/play ONE sole cassette, >before his widow to given me...and remain >working terrifically & marvelously! That sounds like the car also owned by a widow, which according to the salesman, had only been used to go down her drive to collect the milk.......:-) Best (Another) Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 01:47:37 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:47:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! In-Reply-To: References: <518b7b1050303015323a57ecf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <518b7b105030316473cf1ecf9@mail.gmail.com> Colin, Fully appreciate your sentiment, however given the sale was "collection from seller only, no posting" there's not much to beware - unless you are a complete idiot who also doesn't have a tape to test the unit before you pay, but then I guess you wouldn't be there in the first place -:). I would like to use this opportunity to make a general point (rant? -:) about reactions to ebay listings mentioned on this list (absolutely nothing personal against Colin, please don't be offended in any way), hopefully this time I will manage to word it better and not drive any more members off the list : I have no connection whatsoever with the seller in this case, I even bid for the deck, but was "sniped". At present I don't even own a cassette deck, so I won't be in the seller ranks any time soon. Nevertheless, I would like to ask all Nak-brothers to refrain from immediately tearing apart any seller without even reading through the whole item description. Too often I see personal attacks on people who cannot respond, since they presumably are not members. A few examples : No one has ever joined ebay with a feedback different from zero - maybe they've just registered under a new username after a long career of fraud - YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. If a seller is describing the item as "untested" (whatever the excuse) or "don't know if it works, selling as is" - just don't bid. No need to start calling the person a cheat, liar, crook, etc. If the description states "in good (perfect) working order, but I was not able to test it" or something along these lines - then blast away. If the seller is asking a stupidly (in your opinion) high price - that's the buyer's problem - PLEASE simply do not bid, no need to start insulting the seller. There was this German seller, who very honestly and openly stated that the Nak in question does not operate properly and would be ideal (perfect) for a DIY-inclined person to take on, if interested. I still cringe when I remember what was unleashed upon the guy on this list - only because the ad was in German and the person who made the first posting apparently had understood only the word "perfect" from it, which together with a photo of the deck with its cover off was enough to start the vilest of threads on the list - no one after that probably bothered even to visit the link, just added their abuse. I have to confess that this is where I lost it and my reaction probably pushed Carlos over the edge, for which I am extremely sorry, but I just cannot tolerate slandering people who probably don't even know it's happening - which does not make it OK, at least not in my book. Whew, that was a very long one by my standards, I'm off the soapbox now and promise never to discuss this issue again. Thanks for reading, George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:01:20 -0000, Colin Marsh wrote: > No feedback and the old "Ive got no tapes to test it" exuse! nearly as good > as "I cant find the power lead" or "It has no plug on the lead" once again > BUYER BEWARE!!! Also a friend had one of these and had problems with the > transport! not up to Arcams usual standards I think? > > Colin > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 01:55:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:55:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Question about route selectors, timers, and noise reduction. In-Reply-To: <20050303194633.58159.qmail@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c52054$d63d2400$a7d94c51@oemcomputer> I found the SAE to be good enough for my purpose of recording old 78s. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of fripp_em > Sent: 03 March 2005 19:47 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Question about route selectors, timers,and noise > reduction. > > > I thought I would ask for some recommendations: > > I currently have a preamp with 3 tape loops in one > system and an amp with 2 loops in another I'm using. > I would like to expand since I have several tape decks > and would also like to add dbx noise reduction > (looking forward to opinions on the best of those). I > see dbx 200 (passive) and 400 models on ebay often. > Any thoughts one how good these are and which ones to > look for? The only new router I have read about is > Esoteric Sound's "Superconnector" - list for $299. > Anyone ever have the chance to try one out? > > On timers, I would like to record from radio to > cassette and was wondering if anyone has any favorite > timers. Does anyone still make these? Were there > ones ever made that could selectively turn on > components, e.g., one tape at time x and the second > deck at time x + 45 minutes, or did you have to buy > multiple timers? > > Lastly, for those who are recording from LP to tape, > does anyone have a favorite noise, i.e., pop and > click, reducer. I remember SAE and I think KLH > (burwen?) models. Esoteric also makes one consumer > model, the "Surface Noise Reducer", but it is $425. > > This list is a great resource for those of us who love > our Nak tape decks. Thanks! > > fripp_em > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 01:56:49 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:56:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c52055$0bb44640$a7d94c51@oemcomputer> John You could always ride it home ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of John Berger > Sent: 03 March 2005 20:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > > > I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: > > Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't ship it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). That must be what's holding the price down (currently $77). ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 01:59:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:59:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c52055$7ad02ee0$a7d94c51@oemcomputer> He's changed his mind and will now ship it within the US. Jeff G - you must have this bike to cycle to work @ ESL - it'll be good for your health and save you money!!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of John Berger > Sent: 03 March 2005 20:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > > > I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: > > Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't ship it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). That must be what's holding the price down (currently $77). ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dbauer45 at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 02:20:20 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:20:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR References: <20050301190741.89956.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c52058$55aae080$c801a8c0@cn593434a> Andre, dbx DID make a mobile unit for Clarion (if I recall) car audio installations. I owned one in the '80s but can not remember the model number. I also can not comment on its performance because I was not able to get it properly adapted to my car's non-Clarion audio system and at the time did not have the means to get it professionally installed. I am not an audio engineer, but I think the main trouble I faced was an impedence mismatch between the car tape unit and the dbx unit. It has since been lost or trashed. This is indeed a shame because I have a stack of Nak recorded dbx encoded tapes that I am just now re-discovering after years of doing nothing but raising the kids. If I ever see one again, I'll let the group know. Anyone else know of the dbx mobile unit? Enjoy the music. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Richison" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dolby NR > colin > I agree with you , dbx was far ahead of its time for > quiet sound and dynamics, I still have five units at > the house, > is so easy to just hook up one as a nr device and say > goodbye to dolby, > but wait,,,, dolby got the market ,,, and continued to > serve the market with their crap version of nr,,, this > is all people know if they dont own a dbx unit, so > upseting for me to see this occur. > once I heard the industry agreed dbx was alot better > but did not license it as the standard, oh well. > my problem is cant play the dbx tapes in the car or > the walkman, that is the downfall, sony never offered > the dbx chip in a walkman, what a shame, > as far as my nak and mr1 hooked up to dbx and played > back that way it is just like a dragon setup with dbx, > not much different, with dolby, well not as much > dynamic range et.... > > see ya, > a > --- Colin Marsh wrote: > > > Myself, I never got on with Dolby B but I can live > > with Dolby C ! Common > > sense tells me that ANY electronics placed into the > > signal path must degrade > > the signal! I must admit that Naks version of Dolby > > C is probably the best > > it gets. My gripe is compatibility with other non > > Nak decks! If I believe > > I am to use the tape on Non Nak decks then I do not > > use Dolby at all. > > No one has mentioned DBX! I have recently coupled a > > ZX7 to a DBX NR unit. > > The results are amazing!! Noise levels thru the > > floor! dynamic range thru > > the ceiling!! and to my ears no degradation to the > > signal quality. BUT > > also absolutely no compatibility with non DBX > > equipped decks. > > I was told that Nak tried this route once , with a > > stand alone unit using > > some obscure compression / decompression , but > > without success, is that > > true? > > > > Colin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Iain McGhee [mailto:iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au] > > Sent: 27 February 2005 02:01 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Dolby NR > > > > > > Dolby usually crapped the sound totally on my RX-202 > > but for the first time EVER with using Dolby (B or > > C) > > with the new RX-505 all I get is...reduced noise. > > I've disliked Dolby on other (non Nak) decks too. > > > > I played back a tape I made on the 202 recorded with > > C > > on the 505 - sounded superb, no dulling whatsoever. > > Played back on the 202 using C on (and that was the > > deck it was recorded on!) it sounded - lifeless and > > dull and lacked dynamics. One would think that if > > the > > Dolby circuits on the 202 were tracking accurately > > on > > recording, then they would be on playback, or can > > this > > not be the case sometimes? > > > > Whatever the reason, I'm pleased as punch that I > > finally have a deck that Dolby is of real benefit > > in > > the 505. > > > > Iain > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > > Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ===== > I am NOW switching to my new email account. > Please write me at: > > TheAndre at gmail.com > > Andre Richison > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Fri Mar 4 02:42:56 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:42:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: <200503032150.j23LoLHf029409@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503032150.j23LoLHf029409@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: LOL Good one, Doug. However, that's what we Americans do, bring civilization (or at least good analog audio) to the wilderness. Fred > > From: Doug Locke > Date: March 3, 2005 7:08:48 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: car audio > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > With a smug "little island" smile, may I just point out that once you > have arrived Fred it is no longer a remote, deeply silent desert spot! >   > From the wide open spaces of the English South. > Doug. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 02 March 2005 23:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio > > Well, I don't have a Rolls. I have a noisy, dented 87 subaru wagon. > I've always had big fancy car stereos because a) with enough amps you > can counter any road noise and b) sometimes I live in my car and then > it's really nice to have a good system. Some of the best listening > experiences I've had have been with my car system cranking, all the > car doors open and in some remote, deeply silent desert spot. In a > still, quiet environment like that, good audio can sound amazing. Of > course, Gra, your little island might not afford such experiences... > > from the wide open spaces of the American West, > Fred > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2251 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 4 02:27:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:27:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Removing scratches In-Reply-To: <20050221010633.85322.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050221010633.85322.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4227B969.9000500@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob, Just got the old CR1 door! Thank you ever so much. My 600-II thanks you as well! Now to find some Crystal Clear! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 4 02:51:45 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:51:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <000e01c51f54$1d18b6c0$54d94c51@oemcomputer> References: <000e01c51f54$1d18b6c0$54d94c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4227BF31.80807@woods-and-waters.com> Ah, Gra' Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > Well, I'm glad it's not just me! May be I should record the cassettes for > the car using my ol' mint CD320 Superscope and engage the Limiter switch ... I cheat and use the studio's Symetrix 422 to record the cassettes for the car (a "shooting brake", indeed). Smashes the dynamic range flatter than a pancake. Sounds just like FM. (Why? Because many FM stations have this same unit for their gain proc!) The music starts, the meter goes to zero, and stays there. "...We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind, Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance, Well they're no friends of mine! ... Say, we can go where we want to, a place that they will never find, And we can act like we come from out of this world, Leave the real one far behind! ... And we can dance... (Don't Say!) ... We can go when we want to, the night is young and so am I, And we can dress real neat from our hats to our feet, And surprise them with the victory cry! ... Say, we can act if we want to, if we don't nobody will, And you can act real rude or totally removed, And I can act like an imbecile! ... We can dance if we want to, we've got all your life and mine, As long as we abuse it, we are never going to lose it, And everything will work out right!..." "Music" ends. People actually write lyrics like that. Really. Pass the aspirin. * * * * * Another problem: you cannot sit in the sweet spot of the spatial image in a car. OK, I admit, I just do not care one whit about car stereo. I remember on one occasion hearing an album I recorded being played in a car. Didn't recognize it, so awful was the "sound"! N-Joy. > > Grinham... > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: 01 March 2005 23:37 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... >> >> >>Hi Gra' >> >>Nelson wrote: >> > In circumstances as poor as >> >>>these, i.e. in the average car, what is the point of having >> >>some state of >> >>>the art in car hi fi system? May be I could imagine having one >> >>of those top >> >>>of the range Nakamichi cassette players in a Rolls, a Bentley >> >>or some such >> >>>limo with soundproofing that compares with a recording studio, >> >>because the >> >>>ambient noise would be zilch and easily filled with good sound. >> >> But in the >> >>>standard Joe's car or truck?? Where's the point? >> >>There is no point other than the affectation and the ostentatiousness of >>the conspicuous consumption -- the expensive sound system. Wasted money, >>but oh, the ego gratification! And the chicks dig it. (Except for the >>chicks who truly matter...they think it's a waste of money too!) >> >>The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or >>Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening >>space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high >>are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic >>range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the >>sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your >>1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. >> >>N-Joy! >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 4 02:55:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:55:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: <200503021101.j22B0TpJ023718@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4227C024.5010801@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John, John Berger wrote: > It was the Advent 200 (and the companion, playback-only Advent 100). The > Advent 200 was the first cassette deck to try to turn the dictation > cassette into a higher-quality audio product, because it was the first > deck that had both Dolby B noise reduction and support for CrO2 (chrome, > or Type II) tape formulations. > > Now who could have created such an innovation, and manufactured it on an > OEM basis? Nakamichi! Of course! Should have known! > > The Advent 100 was very close to a Nak 250, and the 200 was a predecessor > for the Nak 500. > > The two most annoying features of the Advent 200 were: single meter for > displaying level (and I seem to recall that it just showed a combined > signal level, not a switchable one) Uher did this as well. The single meter was why I didn't consider buying Advent. > and the FF/REW lever did not lock > into place, so you had to hold it to the side until the tape finished. THIS sounds like they used the Wollsensak tape drive. The Wollsensak Cassette Guardian tape drive had this feature. Awful! > And shortly thereafter, Advent changed to a Wollensak transport and came > out with the Advent 201 (now that I think about it, this may have been the > one with the non-locking lever). Yes. That's it indeed. WHY choose Wollsensak? wow. Glad I skipped Advent and got a Nak. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 4 03:11:49 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:11:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette car stereos ... even Nakamichi .... In-Reply-To: <200503021856_MC3-1-977A-3560@compuserve.com> References: <200503021856_MC3-1-977A-3560@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <4227C3E5.9020607@woods-and-waters.com> Like, wow man, I bought my three-tone 1962 Ford Falcon in 1977 for $55.00 used. Yes, three-tone: blue, rust and undercoat. Named it "The Maltese Falcon." Painted a big Iron Cross on the hood (bonnet for you in the UK) and red arrows on the rear fenders with the inscription, "Point In Desired Direction of Travel, And Push!" It had advanced technology: "four-and-forty" air conditioning, powerful straight 6 engine could do 0 to 60 mph -- eventually. Indoor swimming pool in the back seat during a rain. Could stop on a dime -- like a freight train. Doubled its Blue Book value every time I filled up the gasoline tank. Had an army cot bolted down in place of a rear seat. Once left the keys in it while at a shopping mall, spent all day inside, and no one stole it. I was actually insulted. And it was a chick magnet. Who wants to ride in a Jaguar or Ferrari when they can ride in a Ford Falcon? Ok, besides her. Hey, I knew I'd found my dream girl, Karin, when she didn't mind riding in my Falcon. Knew I'd ask her to marry me. On second thought, she drove a 1955 Saab. Man, it was an UGLY car. I always enjoyed watching reactions as she, a stunning blonde, got out of this ugly grey Saab. Double take every time. (Yes, I did ask her to marry me. In the Maltese Falcon one late night on a secluded back road.) But it could haul my Nak 550 and three AKG D200E mics to gigs just fine. Loved my Falcon. Had my best memories in that beat up old car. N-Joy! Compudude wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Our family car was a 1962 Ford Falcon which we had until 1979. You just > made me remember the car's mono radio with mechanical push buttons. Good > old days.. > > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >>The problem with any car other than a Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach or > > Hispano-Suiza is that its high ambient noise reduces your listening > space's dynamic range to practially nothing. plus all the lovely high > are masked. So, unless you compress the sound to about 3 dB dynamic > range you cannot hear the music. Which is why broadcasters compress the > sound to about 3 dB dynamic range! So you can hear the music in your > 1962 Ford Falcon at highway speeds with the windows rolled down. > > N-Joy! > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 4 03:20:35 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:20:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR In-Reply-To: <000001c51f89$c3a24760$d5f74c51@oemcomputer> References: <000001c51f89$c3a24760$d5f74c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4227C5F3.20505@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > So, which are the DBX units to go for? Get greedy. Grab 'em all. No, OK, don't. GRAB a 160 or 160X if you see one! This was THE studio compressor of the 1970s. THATCorp made the VCA chip and you can still buy the chip today. The 117, 119 and 128 have the same VCA as the 160X. Different controls, though. The 117 and 119 use one detector for both channels. The 128 uses two detectors, one for each channel; and it has a Type II NR. The 117 and 119 don't. The 1BX, 2BX and 3BX are expandors. 3BX is the one to get and it works much like an OptiMod in expand mode, but with only three bands. The standalone Type II NRs to get are the 224 or the 222; the 224 is simultaneous encode/decode, but the 222 is only selectable encode/decode. The 90 Series pro mainframe equipment is good but a bit fragile for heavy use. Many pros dislike them, but I was neutral toward them. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:36:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:36:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! Message-ID: Shalom to the Second Alex! Ok...as I'm also an a Pro Photographer, and once with I was a kid, my lovely pass away Dad, use Leicas...and his last one was an earlier two stroke 1957 M-3. As he keep back his Leicas in "Superb" pristine condition after so many years...believe me my lovely "Second"...Alex, that my gifted from my best friend widow...during 1984 I opened the box of his then received brand new Dragon, record & play again the same TDK-SA-90 minutes cassette, and returned back to the box...for further future use...that never happen!!!! You can believe me or not,,,! ME personally don't matter if any member of this lovely forum believe me or not!!! OK..Second Alex...that's is all on this matter! ALEX! >From: Alex Hurst >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:54:21 +0000 > >The other Alex wrote: > >>Today I look at this item...as I understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! So >>the buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" it is! >>Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on English language...but for me >>"Mint"...is Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me un-opened box >>and never take away from the box! or maybe I'm wrong? > >Don't know too much about Nak classifications, but I do know a fair amount >about those for classic old Leica cameras, of which I have a few. > >'Mint' means in perfect working order showing no signs of use whatsoever. > >One up from that is LNIB (like new in box). Would you believe that there >are Leica collectors out there who still have items in shrink-wrap - never >opened at all? The logic of this escapes me entirely - it might be a lump >of lead in there for all they know. > >My favourite camera category is 'beater'. This means in good working order, >but not pretty cosmetically. In other words, a camera you can afford to >bounce down a mountainside without too many regrets. I have one of these I >bought, rusty screws and all, for Euro 100, spent UK�150 getting it >overhauled by my UK Leica wizard, and now it performs brilliantly. > >>Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed for 20 years and >>record/play ONE sole cassette, before his widow to given me...and remain >>working terrifically & marvelously! > >That sounds like the car also owned by a widow, which according to the >salesman, had only been used to go down her drive to collect the >milk.......:-) > >Best > >(Another) Alex > >-- >Alex Hurst >Waterfall >Nr. Cork >Ireland > >Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) > +353 214 270 907 (W) > >Fax: +353 214 271 248 >email: corkflor at iol.ie >Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) >Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ >Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > >Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: >http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 >ID: 0x5BB72019 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:41:24 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:41:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! Message-ID: Yes Barnett exist this way...however, NO all Nak perspectives buyers know so! ALEX! >From: baynett >Reply-To: baynett at optonline.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:08:20 -0500 > >Can't you buy one that is totally refurbed from ESL in Ct. Obviously a >ruthless seller taking advantage of an uninformed buy. I see it all day >long with people buying items for more used than they could if they just >did a google and bought it new retail. I don't understand it. > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >>Shalom my lovely Colin! >> >>Today I look at this item...as I understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! So >>the buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" it is! >>Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on English language...but for me >>"Mint"...is Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me un-opened box >>and never take away from the box! or maybe I'm wrong? >>Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed for 20 years and >>record/play ONE sole cassette, before his widow to given me...and remain >>working terrifically & marvelously! >> >>My lovely Colin any opinions? >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Colin Marsh" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >>>Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:01:41 -0000 >>> >>>Mint is a rating! Mint should only be used for items that are still in >>>original packaging - unopened! this guy is asking a small fortune for >>>this >>>Dragon ($2700.00!) and you will be taking his word on what the history >>>is. >>>Don't forget that the new owner of this machine will own a "Third hand" >>>Dragon! The seller seems to be offering no proof that what he says is >>>true, >>>not even the bill from the tech who "Looked" at the Dragon. Its so easy >>>to >>>get carried away buying from Ebay! so many people get ripped off because >>>they actually believe all the seller tells them. Most of the advice I >>>have >>>had from the forum tells me that the worse thing to do with a Nak is to >>>store it away for years on end and not power it up or use it, indeed I >>>brought a ZX7 that had been carefully stored for 5 years and on purchase >>>worked really well. Within 7 days it suffered electronic failures and >>>needed ALL the rubber parts renewed. This seems to back up the "don't >>>store" it theory! >>>In the case of this Dragon I would not be surprised if the seller is not >>>using a bit of savvie and going for our vulnerability as Nak lovers, and >>>out >>>outright wish to be the owner of, as the seller implies, probably the >>>newest >>>and best, unused Dragon around! >>> >>>!!Buyer beware!! >>> >>>Colin >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:salimarz at telkom.net] >>>Sent: 02 March 2005 14:57 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >>> >>> >>> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5752927605 >>> >>>&rd=1 >>> >>>Looks extra mint though. >>>SM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:55:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:55:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems In-Reply-To: <000601c52035$c0ea6730$cecb4f51@pc1> Message-ID: Shalom Pierre! Change the two belts!...May help! ALEX! >From: "Roger Perrie" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] 700 II speed problems >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:12:48 -0000 > >I removed the capstans, cleaned them thoroughly and replaced them. Speed >now seems to be stable. Now I'll turn my attention to the next problem; >tape spillage which I suspect is caused by inadequate torque on the take up >spool. It only happens when the machine is warm; everything is OK first >thing in the morning before the room has warmed up. I guess it means >stripping down the ball drive mechanisms. >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 4 09:06:49 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:06:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! Message-ID: Howdy George, The Arcam Delta 100 is a British built cassette deck that came out in around 1991/92. It featured the very fine, robust Denon DRM-800A transport mechanism, double capstan of course, top quality electronics, full calibration options, good metering and very good NR, including excellent Dolby S. Reviewers from Stereophile (as we all know, a real toffee nosed, pretentious bunch of folk who think $2000 components are"budget" items), rated it extremely highly, in the right circumstances - i.e. with metal tape (in this case TDK MA) and Dolby S engaged, better than two DAT decks that were named in the review. This would surely rate as one of a handful of the top Dolby S decks - shoulder to shoulder with machines like TEAC V8030S and the Reference Pioneers. Good luck, Marc >>> george valkov 03/03/05 11:53AM >>> Graham, I'm in London, but I don't know much about the Arcam Delta. Tell me more, I just might hazard the trip over the weekend. It's still at the starting porice of 25GBP ! George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:59:43 -0000, Nelson wrote: > For anyone in the South of England, in reasonable travelling distance of > Buckinghamshire, here's a chance to own a Nakamichi rival, possibly even a > beater! > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5755228783&ssPageN > ame=STRK:MEWA:IT An Arcam Delta. They are as rare as hen's teeth! > However, note one's not been used for about 2 years and I enquired if he'd > tested it recently to which the answer came 'no, I've not got any tapes ... > ' Hmmmm .... And he's got zero feedback. But look at the price! Even if > it sells for £150 and it cost another £100 to get it back in order (I gather > Arcam are still servicing them) it'd be a fine deck to add to the > collection. Why not for me? Heck! I ain't driving down to > Buckinghamshire all the way from Liverpool! Nightmare journey! > > Gra' > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 09:24:31 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:24:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK CONTRIBUTION CHALLENGE In-Reply-To: <14234-4227B496-1791@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> References: <14234-4227B496-1791@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <518b7b105030400243d7fe9d3@mail.gmail.com> Hear, hear !!! Wouter, do you take Paypal ? George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. wrote: > Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a > generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with you > all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on > average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I > "CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great > advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of > their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very > best Nakamichi site ! 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Message-ID: Hi Colin, I hope your friend hung onto it - although any machine can give problems, the nice thing about the Arcam is that it is both collectable and serviceable - the Denon mechanicals are not that hard to come by and are definitely replaceable. I would evaluate the price against the risk (try and minimise both). But the thing is a buyer would be getting something special which possibly just needs some TLC and fity quid.... I'd be warming up my Land Rover Defender already...... Cheers!!! ----Marc >>> cmmarsh at ntlworld.com 03/04/05 01:01AM >>> No feedback and the old "Ive got no tapes to test it" exuse! nearly as good as "I cant find the power lead" or "It has no plug on the lead" once again BUYER BEWARE!!! Also a friend had one of these and had problems with the transport! not up to Arcams usual standards I think? Colin -----Original Message----- From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: 03 March 2005 09:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! Graham, I'm in London, but I don't know much about the Arcam Delta. Tell me more, I just might hazard the trip over the weekend. It's still at the starting porice of 25GBP ! George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:59:43 -0000, Nelson wrote: > For anyone in the South of England, in reasonable travelling distance of > Buckinghamshire, here's a chance to own a Nakamichi rival, possibly even a > beater! > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5755228783&ssPageN > ame=STRK:MEWA:IT An Arcam Delta. They are as rare as hen's teeth! > However, note one's not been used for about 2 years and I enquired if he'd > tested it recently to which the answer came 'no, I've not got any tapes ... > ' Hmmmm .... And he's got zero feedback. But look at the price! Even if > it sells for £150 and it cost another £100 to get it back in order (I gather > Arcam are still servicing them) it'd be a fine deck to add to the > collection. Why not for me? Heck! I ain't driving down to > Buckinghamshire all the way from Liverpool! Nightmare journey! > > Gra' > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 4 11:53:37 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:53:37 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Oi! I like that song! Message-ID: <20050304105338.84800.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> "Safety Dance" - Men Without Hats. Bet you didn't like Buggles or M (Pop Muzik) or Plastic Bertand either. ;-P So sue me, I was born in '71(first single I ever owned - "Grease" by Frankie Valli, first LP Abba "Arrival" and grew up in the 80's - hey at nine I had the sense to record on TDK AD-X even though I just had a good boombox (mind you the '80s boomboxes were compact and feature filled and some sounded damn good - then around '91 they became very big black empty ugly airfilled boxes which broke down within 2 years) - Wang Chung, Pat Benatar...hehehe... BUT IF I HEAR HOTEL CALIFORNIA OOOOONE MORE TIME....LOL Unashamed Gen-Xer, IAIN MCGHEE. PS Can anyone explain to me why the Rolling Stones are still recording? Has anyone quietly taken Paul McCartney aside and told him his voice is gone? He sang live on Oprah either late '90's or early this century promoting his new album...just enjoy the fame and money Paul, IT'S OVER matey! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Mar 4 12:03:08 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:03:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Fred May I take this opportunity to thank you on behalf of all small desert animals for intoducing hi fidelity Nak style to these otherwise featureless wastes.Good to hear from you by the way, hope all is well with you. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 04 March 2005 01:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio LOL Good one, Doug. However, that's what we Americans do, bring civilization (or at least good analog audio) to the wilderness. Fred From: Doug Locke Date: March 3, 2005 7:08:48 AM PST To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: car audio Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks With a smug "little island" smile, may I just point out that once you have arrived Fred it is no longer a remote, deeply silent desert spot! From the wide open spaces of the English South. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 02 March 2005 23:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio Well, I don't have a Rolls. I have a noisy, dented 87 subaru wagon. I've always had big fancy car stereos because a) with enough amps you can counter any road noise and b) sometimes I live in my car and then it's really nice to have a good system. Some of the best listening experiences I've had have been with my car system cranking, all the car doors open and in some remote, deeply silent desert spot. In a still, quiet environment like that, good audio can sound amazing. Of course, Gra, your little island might not afford such experiences... from the wide open spaces of the American West, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 12:12:10 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:12:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR In-Reply-To: <4227C5F3.20505@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001701c520ab$02a52140$38c64c51@oemcomputer> Thanks Kermit - most useful! I'm watching a 224X at the moment, for sale in the UK. I expect to bid if the price stays reasonable. I'm also watching a 150. You didn't mention this one? I already have a DBX 3BX, which I bought at the same time as a SAE unit, on the recommendation of a certain famous musician who used to be a member of this group but who vanished as soon as he was recognised. (A shame - he was a big collector of 78s, esp. blues originals, and had a lot of practice dubbing them onto cassette.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 04 March 2005 02:21 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DBX NR > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > So, which are the DBX units to go for? > > Get greedy. Grab 'em all. No, OK, don't. > > GRAB a 160 or 160X if you see one! This was THE studio compressor of the > 1970s. THATCorp made the VCA chip and you can still buy the chip today. > > The 117, 119 and 128 have the same VCA as the 160X. Different controls, > though. The 117 and 119 use one detector for both channels. The 128 uses > two detectors, one for each channel; and it has a Type II NR. The 117 > and 119 don't. > > The 1BX, 2BX and 3BX are expandors. 3BX is the one to get and it works > much like an OptiMod in expand mode, but with only three bands. > > The standalone Type II NRs to get are the 224 or the 222; the 224 is > simultaneous encode/decode, but the 222 is only selectable encode/decode. > > The 90 Series pro mainframe equipment is good but a bit fragile for > heavy use. Many pros dislike them, but I was neutral toward them. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 13:57:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:57:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Oi! I like that song! In-Reply-To: <20050304105338.84800.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c520b9$c1282780$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> Iain McGhee said: " I just had a good boombox (mind you the '80s boomboxes were compact and feature filled and some sounded damn good - then around '91 they became very big black empty ugly airfilled boxes which broke down within 2 years) " Too true! Nostalgia ... I bought a silver brushed finish Sony CFS-81L boom box in 1982, on the same day and from the same shop I got my Superscope CT320 portable recorder. They cost £100 a piece! The Sony even took metal tapes (which the Superscope didn't) although it lacked any kind of NR circuit. But it sounded pretty good, and it still does ... for a boom box. Plus - and here's the flick o' the tail - it has never broken down. The "professional" Superscope, however, has needed new belts twice since I bought it ... And (to keep on topic) at the time, Nakamichi was just exotica much too expensive for a lad as me could then afford ... Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 13:57:45 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:57:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c520b9$c2ca3ec0$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> It's not featureless now Fred's there, Doug. He bought one of those Japanese garden rakes (was that a Nakamichi promotional one?) and is now busy transforming the entire desert into a huge Zen garden while listening to New Age music tapes on his Nakamichi ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 04 March 2005 11:03 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: car audio Hello Fred May I take this opportunity to thank you on behalf of all small desert animals for intoducing hi fidelity Nak style to these otherwise featureless wastes.Good to hear from you by the way, hope all is well with you. Doug. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:47:31 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:47:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 100% agree with your explanation...always learning! ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:14:12 -0000 > >To both Alexs > >I use classifications as used by "the best" record dealers. Mint is not >used >often used because it is a classification used only for a record that can >be >proven unplayed. in perfect condition and without signs of aging. A mint >condition coin is also another example! How can "As new" be used for an >electronic machine that is over 10 years old? one of my Naks, brought new >failed after 2 months, it was replaced because the dealer put the failure >down to the fact that it had been stored in his warehouse for a year before >selling! Even if it has never been taken from the box its component parts >MUST be showing signs of age after 10 years! Unless these classifications >are standardised you should take them "with a pinch of salt"! I have been >wheeling and dealing all my adult life and I know how to reel in a punter >when selling! E bay has brought out a load of sellers who use these >classifications and colourful descriptions to reel in the buyers and get >the >best price they can! you can lie you can cheat! you can even sell something >that doesnt exist and get away with it! If I was paying that sort of money >for a Dragon I would want to see an authorised Nak techs condition report >preferably less than a month old verifying the sellers description, and I >would also insist on some sort of warrantee! I would insist on collecting >the item in person and would not part with a penny untill I was aboloutly >certain that the item was "as listed"!! As an old hand at the trading game >sellers descriptions like this don't add up! and as I said before, BUYER >BEWARE!!! As to the $2700.00 or whatever the guy got in the end, I know >that a fully reconditioned Dragon from a top authorised and trusted Nak >tech >in the UK would be much cheaper!! and you would get the security of a >full, >comprehensive warrantee! a much better deal I think! > >Colin > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Hurst [mailto:corkflor at iol.ie] >Sent: 03 March 2005 15:54 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! > > >The other Alex wrote: > > >Today I look at this item...as I > >understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! So the > >buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" > >it is! > >Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on > >English language...but for me "Mint"...is > >Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me > >un-opened box and never take away from the box! > >or maybe I'm wrong? > >Don't know too much about Nak classifications, >but I do know a fair amount about those for >classic old Leica cameras, of which I have a few. > >'Mint' means in perfect working order showing no signs of use whatsoever. > >One up from that is LNIB (like new in box). Would >you believe that there are Leica collectors out >there who still have items in shrink-wrap - never >opened at all? The logic of this escapes me >entirely - it might be a lump of lead in there >for all they know. > >My favourite camera category is 'beater'. This >means in good working order, but not pretty >cosmetically. In other words, a camera you can >afford to bounce down a mountainside without too >many regrets. I have one of these I bought, rusty >screws and all, for Euro 100, spent UK�150 >getting it overhauled by my UK Leica wizard, and >now it performs brilliantly. > > >Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed > >for 20 years and record/play ONE sole cassette, > >before his widow to given me...and remain > >working terrifically & marvelously! > >That sounds like the car also owned by a widow, >which according to the salesman, had only been >used to go down her drive to collect the >milk.......:-) > >Best > >(Another) Alex > >-- >Alex Hurst >Waterfall >Nr. Cork >Ireland > >Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) > +353 214 270 907 (W) > >Fax: +353 214 271 248 >email: corkflor at iol.ie >Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) >Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ >Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > >Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: >http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 >ID: 0x5BB72019 > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 4 14:53:10 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:53:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR In-Reply-To: <4227C5F3.20505@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001a01c520c1$8055a2c0$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> Kermit I notice the DBX 4BX includes "impact restoration", which I take to be a boost for transients, like cymbal crashes. Am I correct? Does it work okay? Cheers Gra' > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 15:22:05 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:22:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: car audio In-Reply-To: <000101c520b9$c2ca3ec0$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi all, Enjoyed all the jokes about car audio, as well as the real life experiences. I think for most home audio enthuiasts/audiophiles, car audio means just one thing: boomheads going boom, boom, boom all the time. There's two main groups in car audio, the first are those who are boomheads and set up their car audio to get the loudest possible SPL from it and like to cruise with the windows down blaring out house/garage/dance music at max volume making the whole neighbourhood go "boom, boom, boom". This group is probably the larger group of thw two and not surprisingly, labelled SPL enthusiasts. The second, smaller group are those who value the same qualities as those who are home audio enthuiasts/audiophiles and they don't go around booming bass everywhere. This SQ (for sound quality) group aims to try to recreate what you can hear at home within the car cabin. I would say this is the group that Nakamichi fans who are into car audio will find themselves categorised. The use of a subwoofer in the car is not the preserve of SPL-heads, as those into SQ also use them. Otherwise, it is not possible to obtain a 20Hz to 20kHz frequency response in the car because the lack of a speaker cabinet/enclosure limits the low frequency response of bass woofers. Actually, I would go as far as to say a subwoofer is necessary for 20Hz to 20kHZ response in the car AND also for home audio. Not many home floorstanding speakers can reach down to 20Hz on their own if a subwoofer is not used. The difficulty is of course the integration between the sub and the main speakers if it is a pure stereo setup. Nakamichi makes some of the finest car audio and to be honest, some of their stuff is so good that it can still stand their ground against the newer competition 12 years later. In fact, I am very tempted to enter my car audio into the IASCA (International Auto Sound Challenge Association) competition to see if it can still hack it against the latest offerings which have things like time alignment and so on. IASCA organises yearly regional, national and international competitions for the best sound quality car audio installation. Actually, if you DIY car audio installations, you probably need to have more basic audio knowledge and skills than the average home audio enthusiast, due to the need to install and tune the setup to give the best possible sound quality. Some of these car audio installs are really OTT, one example of a competition winning car used the same speaker drivers as that in the B&W Nautilus 801 (he bought the Nautilus 801 then took it apart to install in his BMW) but installed the tweeter and the FST midrange in it's pod on the car's A pillar!!! With the 15" woofer/sub placed in the right and left footwells!!! Howver, nowadays, nakamichi's name in car audio is not as good as it was, not surprising since this reflects what is happening to Nak's home audio lineup as well :-( From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Mar 5 00:56:46 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:56:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK CONTRIBUTION CHALLENGE In-Reply-To: <518b7b105030400243d7fe9d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <14234-4227B496-1791@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> <518b7b105030400243d7fe9d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4228F5BE.5010400@xs4all.nl> YES George! I take Paypal and Naks donations ;-) There is actually a Paypal donate button on the Naks.com homepage. Thanks, for all your contributions Gerald! What happened to your writing-contributions to Naktalk? You're more quiet these days? Wouter george valkov wrote: >Hear, hear !!! Wouter, do you take Paypal ? > >George > > >On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. wrote: > > >>Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a >>generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with you >>all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on >>average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I >>"CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great >>advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of >>their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very >>best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best it can >>be!! >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald >> >> >> >> From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Fri Mar 4 18:21:24 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:21:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Oi! I like that song! In-Reply-To: <20050304105338.84800.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050304105338.84800.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304120946.02a2d958@pop.videotron.ca> At 05:53 03/04/2005, you wrote: >"Safety Dance" - Men Without Hats. I like this one too. When I met my wife in the mid 80's, we compared record collections. The Hats' LP on which you can find Safety Dance was the only one we both had. My brother was a good a friend of Allan McCarthy, the Hats' drummer. Allan passed away more than a decade ago. >Bet you didn't like Buggles or M (Pop Muzik) or >Plastic Bertand either. ;-P To stay on topic, I have to say that one of the first tapes I popped into my 1000ZXL after pulling it of storage was one by Plastic Bertrand. Not great art but certainly fun stuff to listen to when you are in the proper mood. Like he says: super cool! :-) >So sue me, I was born in '71(first single I ever owned >- "Grease" by Frankie Valli, first LP Abba "Arrival" >and grew up in the 80's - hey at nine I had the sense >to record on TDK AD-X even though I just had a good >boombox (mind you the '80s boomboxes were compact and >feature filled and some sounded damn good - then >around '91 they became very big black empty ugly >airfilled boxes which broke down within 2 years) - >Wang Chung, Pat Benatar...hehehe... > >BUT IF I HEAR HOTEL CALIFORNIA OOOOONE MORE >TIME....LOL > >Unashamed Gen-Xer, > >IAIN MCGHEE. > >PS Can anyone explain to me why the Rolling Stones are >still recording? Never been a huge fan of the Stones even if I am a generation older than you. I still think "Let it Bleed" is a great album. The concert of the Stones that was filmed for IMAX theaters really does justice to both the Stones and the IMAX medium. > Has anyone quietly taken Paul >McCartney aside and told him his voice is gone? He >sang live on Oprah either late '90's or early this >century promoting his new album...just enjoy the fame >and money Paul, IT'S OVER matey! McCartney got the melody in his blood. Can't stop him. From jberger at well.com Fri Mar 4 19:37:00 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:37:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] dbx mobile unit Message-ID: >If I ever see one again, I'll let the group know. Anyone else know of >the dbx mobile unit? I still have one in a box in the garage. It was made by Concord, and had a Molex connector to connect it to Concord decks (some of which had a switch on the panel to turn the NR on and off). Since I had a Clarion deck, it didn't have the switch, so I jury-rigged a separate switch into a blank panel on my truck's dash that provided 12v to the internal relay on the dbx box (also used the 12v to light up the switch). The other accomodation that I had to make: the Concord decks had fixed level line out/line in jacks, while the Clarion only had the preamp outs, so I put the dbx in-line between the deck and the amp (an ADS PowerPlate 40x2). This changed the response of the volume control (a 1 dB increase of the control gave a 2 dB increase at the speakers), but the control had enough travel that it wasn't too bad. I used it for several years, and was quite satisfied with the sound quality; it really did make for noiseless recordings, with lots of dynamic range. Eventually, the internal relay proved to be a bit flaky, and sometimes took a couple of on/off cycles before both channels switched over. I used an NR-40 (I think that's the model) on my home Nak for the encoding. One big advantage that I found with dbx was that you could record at lower levels, where the deck's frequency response was more linear, and you'd end up with nice clear highs all the way up. From flifton at mac.com Fri Mar 4 19:49:52 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:49:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike In-Reply-To: <200503040855.j248t3qE031646@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503040855.j248t3qE031646@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <92433a2ce2b7d0b46e9acbf8b666ecf6@mac.com> Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have technical expertise! As a Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager who lives in Portland, OR I was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be able to say: "I'm taking the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that bike is junk. The only thing it has in common with our lovely decks is that it will be impossible to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of business over a decade ago). That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be happy to pick it up and ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the wall by your Dragon. I sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't notice any mounting brackets for a Nak mobile deck... cheers, Fred On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: > > ViewItem&category=98084&item=7138576693&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> > > Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't > ship > it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). > That > must be what's holding the price down (currently $77). > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:09:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR In-Reply-To: <001a01c520c1$8055a2c0$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> References: <001a01c520c1$8055a2c0$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4228A46F.20800@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Gra', Nelson wrote: > Kermit > > I notice the DBX 4BX includes "impact restoration", which I take to be a > boost for transients, like cymbal crashes. Am I correct?, Spot on. > Does it work okay? Yes, suprisingly. well. It sounded a bit strange and unnatural to my ears, although. Grab it, though. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Fri Mar 4 20:12:46 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:12:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <200503041544.j24FiA4r000638@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503041544.j24FiA4r000638@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <49895e0ec1aa21ec8cc0bc2f5132d14e@mac.com> New age music? That is slander of the highest order. It's pistols at dawn for you and me, mate... I'll meet you in Death Valley. That does remind of a camping trip to the Pinnacles in Northern California. We were camped at the local campground, enjoying some Bach on my car stereo at a mostly reasonable volume while we cooked dinner. The campground host appeared, very red in the face, and told us to turn that noise down as it was offending the local herd of wild pigs. I assume he was not speaking of the nearby retirees running generators in their Winnebagos. Good to hear from you too, Doug. Fred > From: Nelson > Date: March 4, 2005 4:57:45 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: car audio > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > It's not featureless now Fred's there, Doug.  He bought one of those > Japanese garden rakes (was that a Nakamichi promotional one?) and is > now busy transforming the entire desert into a huge Zen garden while > listening to New Age music tapes on his Nakamichi ... >   > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Locke > Sent: 04 March 2005 11:03 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: car audio > > Hello Fred > May I take this opportunity to thank you on behalf of all small desert > animals for intoducing hi fidelity Nak style to these otherwise > featureless wastes.Good to hear from you by the way, hope all is well > with you. >   > Doug. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I said before if you use Ebay, BUYER BEWARE!! Thats all!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: 04 March 2005 00:48 To: Colin Marsh Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! Colin, Fully appreciate your sentiment, however given the sale was "collection from seller only, no posting" there's not much to beware - unless you are a complete idiot who also doesn't have a tape to test the unit before you pay, but then I guess you wouldn't be there in the first place -:). I would like to use this opportunity to make a general point (rant? -:) about reactions to ebay listings mentioned on this list (absolutely nothing personal against Colin, please don't be offended in any way), hopefully this time I will manage to word it better and not drive any more members off the list : I have no connection whatsoever with the seller in this case, I even bid for the deck, but was "sniped". At present I don't even own a cassette deck, so I won't be in the seller ranks any time soon. Nevertheless, I would like to ask all Nak-brothers to refrain from immediately tearing apart any seller without even reading through the whole item description. Too often I see personal attacks on people who cannot respond, since they presumably are not members. A few examples : No one has ever joined ebay with a feedback different from zero - maybe they've just registered under a new username after a long career of fraud - YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. If a seller is describing the item as "untested" (whatever the excuse) or "don't know if it works, selling as is" - just don't bid. No need to start calling the person a cheat, liar, crook, etc. If the description states "in good (perfect) working order, but I was not able to test it" or something along these lines - then blast away. If the seller is asking a stupidly (in your opinion) high price - that's the buyer's problem - PLEASE simply do not bid, no need to start insulting the seller. There was this German seller, who very honestly and openly stated that the Nak in question does not operate properly and would be ideal (perfect) for a DIY-inclined person to take on, if interested. I still cringe when I remember what was unleashed upon the guy on this list - only because the ad was in German and the person who made the first posting apparently had understood only the word "perfect" from it, which together with a photo of the deck with its cover off was enough to start the vilest of threads on the list - no one after that probably bothered even to visit the link, just added their abuse. I have to confess that this is where I lost it and my reaction probably pushed Carlos over the edge, for which I am extremely sorry, but I just cannot tolerate slandering people who probably don't even know it's happening - which does not make it OK, at least not in my book. Whew, that was a very long one by my standards, I'm off the soapbox now and promise never to discuss this issue again. Thanks for reading, George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:01:20 -0000, Colin Marsh wrote: > No feedback and the old "Ive got no tapes to test it" exuse! nearly as good > as "I cant find the power lead" or "It has no plug on the lead" once again > BUYER BEWARE!!! Also a friend had one of these and had problems with the > transport! not up to Arcams usual standards I think? > > Colin > From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 4 20:34:08 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:34:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR In-Reply-To: <001701c520ab$02a52140$38c64c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I use one of these onmy ZX9 and god!is it good! just dont try and play the tape in the car! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 04 March 2005 11:12 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] DBX NR Thanks Kermit - most useful! I'm watching a 224X at the moment, for sale in the UK. I expect to bid if the price stays reasonable. I'm also watching a 150. You didn't mention this one? I already have a DBX 3BX, which I bought at the same time as a SAE unit, on the recommendation of a certain famous musician who used to be a member of this group but who vanished as soon as he was recognised. (A shame - he was a big collector of 78s, esp. blues originals, and had a lot of practice dubbing them onto cassette.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 04 March 2005 02:21 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DBX NR > > > Hi Gra' > > Nelson wrote: > > So, which are the DBX units to go for? > > Get greedy. Grab 'em all. No, OK, don't. > > GRAB a 160 or 160X if you see one! This was THE studio compressor of the > 1970s. THATCorp made the VCA chip and you can still buy the chip today. > > The 117, 119 and 128 have the same VCA as the 160X. Different controls, > though. The 117 and 119 use one detector for both channels. The 128 uses > two detectors, one for each channel; and it has a Type II NR. The 117 > and 119 don't. > > The 1BX, 2BX and 3BX are expandors. 3BX is the one to get and it works > much like an OptiMod in expand mode, but with only three bands. > > The standalone Type II NRs to get are the 224 or the 222; the 224 is > simultaneous encode/decode, but the 222 is only selectable encode/decode. > > The 90 Series pro mainframe equipment is good but a bit fragile for > heavy use. Many pros dislike them, but I was neutral toward them. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gilbertparts at pwaccess.com Fri Mar 4 22:57:34 2005 From: gilbertparts at pwaccess.com (gilbertparts at pwaccess.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:57:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Selling my ZX-7 Message-ID: <8a1150b7219c4d3394e8312f8be2a744.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Hi, I have a ZX-7 I am thinking of selling. I was going replace the tire and belts on this but need the money for some other audio gear. I inspected the tire and it has obvious wear . The deck plays for a short time then stops. It sounds great for the short amount of time it is playing so I think it just needs new rubber. There are no dings or scratches but the white lettering is worn wear it says "cassette deck". It comes with the original box and styrofoam inserts but no manual. Asking $180.00 Frank From bwana747 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:06:58 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:06:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DBX NR for car In-Reply-To: <001a01c520c1$8055a2c0$0cdb883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Concord made an external DBX decoder unit (as well as a separate external Dolby C decoder) for their line of car stereos. All but the most basic Concord car stereos had an external EQ loop and line outputs which made adding outboard decoders, EQs and amps very easy. I still have my old Concord HPL-516 cassette car stereo which I kept after someone totaled the car in which it played faithfully for over ten years. When I bought the Concord I compared it to Blaupunkt, Alpine and several other top names. (This was before Nakamichi entered the car stereo market). The Concord IMHO was tops for tape. I thought Concord's high frequency response was outstanding and matched well for my Nakamichi recorded tapes. If I were still using cassette tapes in the car instead of CDs the Concord would be back in use in a heartbeat. I've used a DBX 224 with Nakamichi BX-1, LX-3 and a Revox A-77 (open reel) and it works well considering it is limited to listenable playback only if decoded using DBX. I didn't encounter compressor noise (huffing / breathing) with the 224 because I was careful with the levels and used decks with plenty of dynamic range. On a top quality tape deck DBX worked fine though it probably would have problems used on lower end tape decks. The DBX 224X model added LED meters. There's another smaller DBX Type II unit (no meters) called the NX-40 which was cheaper than the 224 models though I've never used one. Regards, Bob From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 00:49:19 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:49:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK CONTRIBUTION CHALLENGE In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050304234919.45280.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter does take PayPal. It's on the front page of his web site. www.naks.com Just above his plug for eBay, the worlds largest junk store. You can use the link or just send wheijke at xs4all.nl I think it's been a couple years since the last time I donated anything to him. Gerald, thanks for bring it our attention. Scott J. --- george valkov wrote: > Hear, hear !!! Wouter, do you take Paypal ? > > George > > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. > wrote: > > Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for > a > > generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest > with you > > all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on > > average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I > > "CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such > great > > advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or > pecentage of > > their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the > very > > best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best > it can > > be!! > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From thepieboy at comcast.net Sat Mar 5 01:39:42 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:39:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff Message-ID: <030520050039.24529.4228FFCE0002E74200005FD1220588448497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> With all due respect, as a cycling enthusiast I find the low quality of the pot-metal components and mild steel frame with cheap stamped rear dropouts to be an insult to the Nakamichi legacy. These bikes were probably done as a sales perk for Nak sales reps in the USA. My guess is that with the Nakamichi distributor's permission, a generic "prize supplier" affixed the logo to several categories of prizes the distributor ordered. So if you sold a certain number of tape decks you might qualify for a "ten speed bike" or some other item. I suspect that most folks who saw the bike knew it was junk so it never got picked as the prize. No offense intended to the guy in Portland who is running the auction--he didn't choose the bike supplier! It would be nice to see some appropriately high-end Nak promo items--I mean who doesn't LOVE the Nak logo? Best regards, John Derven Eugene, Oregon USA -------------- Original message -------------- > He's changed his mind and will now ship it within the US. Jeff G - you must > have this bike to cycle to work @ ESL - it'll be good for your health and > save you money!!! > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of John Berger > > Sent: 03 March 2005 20:54 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > > > > > > I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: > > > > > =7138576693&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> > > Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't ship > it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). 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URL: From thepieboy at comcast.net Sat Mar 5 02:04:29 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:04:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! Message-ID: <030520050104.18920.4229059D00018F5A000049E8220700164197010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Long distance selling has been going on since long before the internet, often by word of mouth or in classified ads in specialty publications. In the old days your word and your identity were worth something. People knew who you were, where you lived, and what your reputation was--they weren't dealing with some internet identity that was fabricated only a few weeks ago. You used to need references--real people, not semi-anonymous internet buyers--to vouch for your credibility. The internet has certainly made it easier to reach long-distance buyers without doing all the trust building that was required to sell items before. But since internet selling is easier it has brought out a raft of amateurs without any sense of responsibility or protocol. I love it when somebody sells something "as is" that you can't see and offers almost no information! Just how would you know what "as is" is? Just an old curmudgeon, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- > To both Alexs > > I use classifications as used by "the best" record dealers. Mint is not used > often used because it is a classification used only for a record that can be > proven unplayed. in perfect condition and without signs of aging. A mint > condition coin is also another example! How can "As new" be used for an > electronic machine that is over 10 years old? one of my Naks, brought new > failed after 2 months, it was replaced because the dealer put the failure > down to the fact that it had been stored in his warehouse for a year before > selling! Even if it has never been taken from the box its component parts > MUST be showing signs of age after 10 years! Unless these classifications > are standardised you should take them "with a pinch of salt"! I have been > wheeling and dealing all my adult life and I know how to reel in a punter > when selling! E bay has brought out a load of sellers who use these > classifications and colourful descriptions to reel in the buyers and get the > best price they can! you can lie you can cheat! you can even sell something > that doesnt exist and get away with it! If I was paying that sort of money > for a Dragon I would want to see an authorised Nak techs condition report > preferably less than a month old verifying the sellers description, and I > would also insist on some sort of warrantee! I would insist on collecting > the item in person and would not part with a penny untill I was aboloutly > certain that the item was "as listed"!! As an old hand at the trading game > sellers descriptions like this don't add up! and as I said before, BUYER > BEWARE!!! As to the $2700.00 or whatever the guy got in the end, I know > that a fully reconditioned Dragon from a top authorised and trusted Nak tech > in the UK would be much cheaper!! and you would get the security of a full, > comprehensive warrantee! a much better deal I think! > > Colin > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Hurst [mailto:corkflor at iol.ie] > Sent: 03 March 2005 15:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMG a $2700 Dragon ! > > > The other Alex wrote: > > >Today I look at this item...as I > >understand...it's "Already" sold!!!! So the > >buyer..., will need to cope/make out how "New" > >it is! > >Also, Colin...maybe I'm NOT so erudite on > >English language...but for me "Mint"...is > >Superbly Preserve, as "Brand New"...is for me > >un-opened box and never take away from the box! > >or maybe I'm wrong? > > Don't know too much about Nak classifications, > but I do know a fair amount about those for > classic old Leica cameras, of which I have a few. > > 'Mint' means in perfect working order showing no signs of use whatsoever. > > One up from that is LNIB (like new in box). Would > you believe that there are Leica collectors out > there who still have items in shrink-wrap - never > opened at all? The logic of this escapes me > entirely - it might be a lump of lead in there > for all they know. > > My favourite camera category is 'beater'. This > means in good working order, but not pretty > cosmetically. In other words, a camera you can > afford to bounce down a mountainside without too > many regrets. I have one of these I bought, rusty > screws and all, for Euro 100, spent UK�150 > getting it overhauled by my UK Leica wizard, and > now it performs brilliantly. > > >Also Colin I own the same machine that was boxed > >for 20 years and record/play ONE sole cassette, > >before his widow to given me...and remain > >working terrifically & marvelously! > > That sounds like the car also owned by a widow, > which according to the salesman, had only been > used to go down her drive to collect the > milk.......:-) > > Best > > (Another) Alex > > -- > Alex Hurst > Waterfall > Nr. Cork > Ireland > > Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) > +353 214 270 907 (W) > > Fax: +353 214 271 248 > email: corkflor at iol.ie > Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) > Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ > Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > > Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 > ID: 0x5BB72019 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Mar 5 10:15:18 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:15:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! Message-ID: Point well made Colin - heck, I've bought things off "live" auctions and landed up with a lemon!! Have your wits around you and the hit rate improves somewhat!! Have a great weekend all, Marc >>> cmmarsh at ntlworld.com 03/04/05 09:24PM >>> Please, I never meant to imply that this particular seller or all ebay sellers are liars, cheats etc. only that because of the way ebay works it must be open to abuse by certain not-so honest sellers. I have used Ebay myself to buy and sell! I always insist that the item is collected from and no money changes hands until the buyer is certain the product is what it was advertised as. I have in the early days of ebay been stitched up by bidding, winning and paying for items that I then did not receive. (unfortunately, both from the US) I found I had little redress with ebay and no chance of retrieving the money. As I said before if you use Ebay, BUYER BEWARE!! Thats all!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: 04 March 2005 00:48 To: Colin Marsh Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta on eBay - be quick! Colin, Fully appreciate your sentiment, however given the sale was "collection from seller only, no posting" there's not much to beware - unless you are a complete idiot who also doesn't have a tape to test the unit before you pay, but then I guess you wouldn't be there in the first place -:). I would like to use this opportunity to make a general point (rant? -:) about reactions to ebay listings mentioned on this list (absolutely nothing personal against Colin, please don't be offended in any way), hopefully this time I will manage to word it better and not drive any more members off the list : I have no connection whatsoever with the seller in this case, I even bid for the deck, but was "sniped". At present I don't even own a cassette deck, so I won't be in the seller ranks any time soon. Nevertheless, I would like to ask all Nak-brothers to refrain from immediately tearing apart any seller without even reading through the whole item description. Too often I see personal attacks on people who cannot respond, since they presumably are not members. A few examples : No one has ever joined ebay with a feedback different from zero - maybe they've just registered under a new username after a long career of fraud - YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. If a seller is describing the item as "untested" (whatever the excuse) or "don't know if it works, selling as is" - just don't bid. No need to start calling the person a cheat, liar, crook, etc. If the description states "in good (perfect) working order, but I was not able to test it" or something along these lines - then blast away. If the seller is asking a stupidly (in your opinion) high price - that's the buyer's problem - PLEASE simply do not bid, no need to start insulting the seller. There was this German seller, who very honestly and openly stated that the Nak in question does not operate properly and would be ideal (perfect) for a DIY-inclined person to take on, if interested. I still cringe when I remember what was unleashed upon the guy on this list - only because the ad was in German and the person who made the first posting apparently had understood only the word "perfect" from it, which together with a photo of the deck with its cover off was enough to start the vilest of threads on the list - no one after that probably bothered even to visit the link, just added their abuse. I have to confess that this is where I lost it and my reaction probably pushed Carlos over the edge, for which I am extremely sorry, but I just cannot tolerate slandering people who probably don't even know it's happening - which does not make it OK, at least not in my book. Whew, that was a very long one by my standards, I'm off the soapbox now and promise never to discuss this issue again. Thanks for reading, George On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:01:20 -0000, Colin Marsh wrote: > No feedback and the old "Ive got no tapes to test it" exuse! nearly as good > as "I cant find the power lead" or "It has no plug on the lead" once again > BUYER BEWARE!!! Also a friend had one of these and had problems with the > transport! not up to Arcams usual standards I think? > > Colin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Mar 5 10:16:50 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:16:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKTALK CONTRIBUTION CHALLENGE Message-ID: That's true Wouter, I think it's because Britney takes up so much of his time thesedays.... Marc >>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 03/05/05 01:56AM >>> YES George! I take Paypal and Naks donations ;-) There is actually a Paypal donate button on the Naks.com homepage. Thanks, for all your contributions Gerald! What happened to your writing-contributions to Naktalk? You're more quiet these days? Wouter george valkov wrote: >Hear, hear !!! Wouter, do you take Paypal ? > >George > > >On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. wrote: > > >>Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a >>generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with you >>all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on >>average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I >>"CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great >>advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of >>their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very >>best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best it can >>be!! >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 5 12:30:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:30:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fred - Bach - slightly OT In-Reply-To: <49895e0ec1aa21ec8cc0bc2f5132d14e@mac.com> Message-ID: <007701c52176$ac12d4e0$10e44c51@oemcomputer> Bach? Good man! (Can't get enough of Bach, Elgar, Mozart and Beethoven, and I'm now really getting into Rachmaninov.) Did you know experiments have shown that playing Bach to kids when they are doing mathematics improves their scores? I believe Mozart is supposed to have a similar effect. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 04 March 2005 19:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 12 New age music? That is slander of the highest order. It's pistols at dawn for you and me, mate... I'll meet you in Death Valley. That does remind of a camping trip to the Pinnacles in Northern California. We were camped at the local campground, enjoying some Bach on my car stereo at a mostly reasonable volume while we cooked dinner. The campground host appeared, very red in the face, and told us to turn that noise down as it was offending the local herd of wild pigs. I assume he was not speaking of the nearby retirees running generators in their Winnebagos. Good to hear from you too, Doug. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 5 12:30:00 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:30:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] McCartney - Oi! I like that song! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304120946.02a2d958@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <007601c52176$ab0de800$10e44c51@oemcomputer> Mmmm.... McCartney can certainly write good songs and melodies, although he is sometimes want to record the not so good stuff, too. But have you heard his foray into classical, the Liverpool Oratorio? Such pretentious mush! Also, not until I got married to a Russian did I realise that he/Lennon were not above plagiarism. The allegedly wrote "Those were the days" for Mary Hopkin, seemingly without any reference to the fact that they pinched the melody from an old Russian folk song! Yep - I've heard it on records a lot older than Mary Hopkins' single!! Gra' > From baynett at optonline.net Sat Mar 5 12:46:18 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:46:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Selling my ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <8a1150b7219c4d3394e8312f8be2a744.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> References: <8a1150b7219c4d3394e8312f8be2a744.gilbertparts@pwaccess.com> Message-ID: <42299C0A.6090704@optonline.net> ZX-7 in much worse condition get more than that on ebay so I think it's a very reasonable offer. gilbertparts at pwaccess.com wrote: > Hi, > I have a ZX-7 I am thinking of selling. I was going replace the tire and belts on this but need the money for some other audio gear. I inspected the tire and it has obvious wear . The deck plays for a short time then stops. It sounds great for the short amount of time it is playing so I think it just needs new rubber. There are no dings or scratches but the white lettering is worn wear it says "cassette deck". It comes with the original box and styrofoam inserts but no manual. Asking $180.00 > Frank > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 5 13:03:57 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:03:57 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Whhhhy? Message-ID: <20050305120358.30927.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Did I offend the Nakamichi family? Did I pray to the wrong gods? The whole five weeks I was looking for a high-end Nak, then found the RX-505, then waited nearly 3 weeks for it to arrive, there was not a CR-7 around to buy (except a $2000US ESL "special" - nooot at 2k ta!). Which is what I ultimately wanted, a CR-7. WITHIN TWO DAYS of getting the 505 there were all these CR-7s for sale worldwide. Still are. Oh well! Iain. PS I've boxed up the RX-202, guess I should take it out once a week and play a tape eh? Don't want to sell it, but I don't want it to die in storage either - or do you think an hour a month usage would be OK? Anyone? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sat Mar 5 18:19:37 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:19:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx mobile unit References: Message-ID: <000f01c521a7$825a7af0$c801a8c0@cn593434a> John, Ever have any thoughts about parting with your mobile dbx unit? I may be interested. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Berger" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] dbx mobile unit > > >If I ever see one again, I'll let the group know. Anyone else know of > >the dbx mobile unit? > > I still have one in a box in the garage. It was made by Concord, and had > a Molex connector to connect it to Concord decks (some of which had a > switch on the panel to turn the NR on and off). Since I had a Clarion > deck, it didn't have the switch, so I jury-rigged a separate switch into a > blank panel on my truck's dash that provided 12v to the internal relay on > the dbx box (also used the 12v to light up the switch). > > The other accomodation that I had to make: the Concord decks had fixed > level line out/line in jacks, while the Clarion only had the preamp outs, > so I put the dbx in-line between the deck and the amp (an ADS PowerPlate > 40x2). This changed the response of the volume control (a 1 dB increase > of the control gave a 2 dB increase at the speakers), but the control had > enough travel that it wasn't too bad. > > I used it for several years, and was quite satisfied with the sound > quality; it really did make for noiseless recordings, with lots of dynamic > range. Eventually, the internal relay proved to be a bit flaky, and > sometimes took a couple of on/off cycles before both channels switched > over. > > I used an NR-40 (I think that's the model) on my home Nak for the > encoding. > > One big advantage that I found with dbx was that you could record at lower > levels, where the deck's frequency response was more linear, and you'd end > up with nice clear highs all the way up. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Sat Mar 5 20:22:26 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:22:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk donation challenge In-Reply-To: <200503050903.j25935kU005228@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503050903.j25935kU005228@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Alright Gerald, I chipped in my $20. Challenge met... And thanks to Wouter for all his work. Fred On Mar 5, 2005, at 1:03 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. >> wrote: >> >>> Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a >>> generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with >>> you >>> all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on >>> average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I >>> "CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great >>> advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of >>> their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very >>> best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best it >>> can >>> be!! >>> >>> thank you very much, >>> gerald >>> From bobobozo at netzero.com Sun Mar 6 01:30:02 2005 From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 00:30:02 GMT Subject: [naktalk] seeking copy of manual Message-ID: <20050305.163050.21038.51816@webmail25.lax.untd.com> Hi: Anyone have a pdf of an operating manual for a Nak Cr3A? Or a website where I might download one from? thanks bob charlanza 610.775.9354 wknds 570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m. epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work) epcommunitynews.com (website) From swiego at hotmail.com Sun Mar 6 07:35:39 2005 From: swiego at hotmail.com (Ess Wiego) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 01:35:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES owner looking for Nakamichi... Message-ID: I dabbled with tape decks more seriously in the long distant past, but effectively I'm starting anew here. I'm an owner of a Sony TC-KA3ES deck, which I believe was one of the best Sony decks available in North America, if not *the* best. (I'd imagine there's some debate about this.) I also am a long time owner of several WM-D6C portable walkmans. This equipment sounds great, has operated flawlessly and been a joy to use. I'm looking to expand my horizons a bit! I've read most of the posts from this list for the last several months and feel it's time to say "hi!" and ask for advice. I'm looking for a couple of choices to check out, from a hobbyist perspective. I have some goals and limits which I can throw out. - I have new (brand new Dolby S recordings onto Sony Metal Master ES tapes) and old (20+ year old recordings from a cheap boombox into the cheapest Type I tape available) tapes that I'd like to get the most out of during playback - I have almost no need for recording ability at this point. - Looking to try different "sound" than the Sony, which to my ear seems very accurate and analytical, though not very musical - I'm particularly interested in a couple of features: Nakamichi's playback azimuth adjustment, and Pioneer's FLEX technology for livening up old faded tapes. I've also heard that Yamaha and TEAC had their 1990s prestige decks that are worth checking out. - I really can't spend more than a couple hundred bucks for a deck. Getting a Dragon or CR-7 at current prices is just not realistic for me. - I'm very nervous about getting a 20+ year old deck, a la a 700-series Nak, or say one of those Pioneer 1250 decks you see all over eBay. Maybe I don't have reason to be, but I'm going to draw the line and say that I'd rather get an early 90s deck than an early 80s deck. Reliability ultimately is critical. I don't have time to ship things off to be serviced! Any recommendations or thoughts? This is mostly an experiment to get a "taste" for something different from what I have. Also, any feedback on what I could / should expect given my current KA3ES would be appreciated. It's my impression that this particular deck is extremely good, and in many ways the equal of some of the top-rated decks talked about on this list. On the Nak side specifically I am thinking about the DR1 and the Cassette Deck 1, both of which have playback azi adjustment, both of which are relatively modern, and both of which are way, way cheaper than $2,700 Dragons.... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Mar 6 16:05:47 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:05:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES owner looking for Nakamichi... Message-ID: <26554-422B1C4B-141@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net> hi sir,first of all let me quallify my answer by saying i know very little about Naks compared to most on this forum.Having said that ,i think there should be not too too much to be afraid of by finding a excellent or better condtion 700 tri-tacer on e-bay,or better yet,on this forum.If you have read the NAKTALK for the last coup[le of months ,than you know that there will be some patience and discriminating bidding involved,but given your budget,i still feel this is a genuine bargain in these times of 2700 dollar dragons!! This will give you a unit that is in my estimation, the antithesis of your SONY.Its so dark its almost muddy,its very very warm-it almosts toasts-no really!As you can see, i'm not too good with audiophile terminology,but the tri-tracer does have that vintage "tube" analog sound. Also,there is the possibility of having it serviced to original factory "like new "condition,at some point in tjhe future.This is probably something that any deck you buy wil have to have done at some point anyway.There are other alternatives to the prohibitively expensive repair shops here i the U.S,if you can't afford them.Once serviced to factory specs,i doubt anyone here on the forum would disagree that this is one of the most reliable and greatest sounding cassette decks ever made-of course it is-its a NAkAMICHI! Also, think you should reconsider your decision to forego the recording capabilities of the NAK.The best think you could possibly do is to rerecord your cheap old Boombox tapes onto some fresh sturdy good quality tape,although its my contention that for such tapes as these,a any good dual dubber would suffice. Wheres Gra?GRAAAAAAAA'!...I'm sure he would reccomend the Flex circuit pioneer to record and play those old tapes. P>S,yes MARK- just me and my lovlies brittney spears,jessica and ashley simpson ,hillary Duff,Christena Aguilera- some of the greatest talent the world has ever seen,and they can sing too!no,not really-LOL-- i just ran out of stuff to say,and im trying to stop getting bored and plastering the Naktalk with stupid stuff-Regards , thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 6 16:47:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:47:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Selling my ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <42299C0A.6090704@optonline.net> Message-ID: <000b01c52263$bcc59820$79e54c51@oemcomputer> The original box could probably fetch $100 on its own! !! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of baynett > Sent: 05 March 2005 11:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling my ZX-7 > > > ZX-7 in much worse condition get more than that on ebay so I think it's > a very reasonable offer. > > gilbertparts at pwaccess.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have a ZX-7 I am thinking of selling. I was going replace > the tire and belts on this but need the money for some other > audio gear. I inspected the tire and it has obvious wear . The > deck plays for a short time then stops. It sounds great for the > short amount of time it is playing so I think it just needs new > rubber. There are no dings or scratches but the white lettering > is worn wear it says "cassette deck". It comes with the original > box and styrofoam inserts but no manual. Asking $180.00 > > > Frank > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 6 16:47:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:47:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Whhhhy? In-Reply-To: <20050305120358.30927.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c52263$bdb83580$79e54c51@oemcomputer> I'd have thought that was plenty. I have to admit I've neglected to care a smuch for my BX1 but I have so little room in my house it's stored in the roof space. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Iain McGhee > Sent: 05 March 2005 12:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Whhhhy? > > > Did I offend the Nakamichi family? Did I pray to the > wrong gods? The whole five weeks I was looking for a > high-end Nak, then found the RX-505, then waited > nearly 3 weeks for it to arrive, there was not a CR-7 > around to buy (except a $2000US ESL "special" - nooot > at 2k ta!). Which is what I ultimately wanted, a > CR-7. WITHIN TWO DAYS of getting the 505 there were > all these CR-7s for sale worldwide. Still are. Oh > well! > > Iain. > > PS I've boxed up the RX-202, guess I should take it > out once a week and play a tape eh? Don't want to > sell it, but I don't want it to die in storage either > - or do you think an hour a month usage would be OK? Anyone? > > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Mar 6 17:50:28 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:50:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] McCartney - Oi! I like that song! In-Reply-To: <007601c52176$ab0de800$10e44c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: But of course his paintings are so good as well(!!!). Another weird thing, apparently Mr McCartney has been trying to chnage the credits on some of the old numbers (possibly mastered on Nakamichi decks) from Lennon and McCartney to McCartney and Lennon. Am I the only one to find that strange/sad/worrying? Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 05 March 2005 11:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] McCartney - Oi! I like that song! Mmmm.... McCartney can certainly write good songs and melodies, although he is sometimes want to record the not so good stuff, too. But have you heard his foray into classical, the Liverpool Oratorio? Such pretentious mush! Also, not until I got married to a Russian did I realise that he/Lennon were not above plagiarism. The allegedly wrote "Those were the days" for Mary Hopkin, seemingly without any reference to the fact that they pinched the melody from an old Russian folk song! Yep - I've heard it on records a lot older than Mary Hopkins' single!! Gra' > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Mar 6 20:20:24 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:20:24 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike References: <200503040855.j248t3qE031646@zxe.naks.com> <92433a2ce2b7d0b46e9acbf8b666ecf6@mac.com> Message-ID: <009901c52281$8c0dfe20$364898de@tec> Hello Fred As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised that Nak put their name on such a piece of department store junk - I would have at least expected it on a light weight racing frame with high quality running gear. That bike would have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it was first built. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have technical expertise! As a Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager who lives in Portland, OR I was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be able to say: "I'm taking the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that bike is junk. The only thing it has in common with our lovely decks is that it will be impossible to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of business over a decade ago). That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be happy to pick it up and ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the wall by your Dragon. I sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't notice any mounting brackets for a Nak mobile deck... cheers, Fred On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't ship it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). That must be what's holding the price down (currently $77). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 21:26:32 2005 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:26:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] new sealed Maxell XLII-S90 In-Reply-To: <000301c520eb$5bf56760$6500a8c0@DAD> References: <000301c520eb$5bf56760$6500a8c0@DAD> Message-ID: <422B6778.5000107@comcast.net> I found two four packs, sealed, of Maxell XLII-S 90 in one of my boxes. I have no use for them as I don't record cassettes anylonger. Make me an offer. Also have six each of Maxell HS-4/90S sealed DAT tapes and four or five open ones; make me an offer. Neil Sturtevant wrote: >the unit was the CA-1. i have one still and do not remember it being tied >specifically to the Clarion line - mine was connected to either a TD-800 or >TD 1200 II in the benz (old 108) > >Neil Sturtevant > >"shadowboxing the apocalypse, > wandering the land" > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 6 22:26:06 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:26:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] McCartney - Oi! I like that song! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008001c52293$1b34a8e0$658d87d9@oemcomputer> Heh! heh! You hear what the Queen said when she saw his exhibition? She said "... they are interesting..." and not much else!! Yeah. I agree. It is very sad. Just goes to show what a pompous, self-important little twit he can be sometimes! He can, and has, behaved much better than that. (I'll bet HE never owned a Nakamichi!!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Locke > Sent: 06 March 2005 16:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McCartney - Oi! I like that song! > > > But of course his paintings are so good as well(!!!). Another weird thing, > apparently Mr McCartney has been trying to chnage the credits on > some of the > old numbers (possibly mastered on Nakamichi decks) from Lennon > and McCartney > to McCartney and Lennon. Am I the only one to find that > strange/sad/worrying? > > Doug. > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 6 22:26:07 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:26:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike In-Reply-To: <009901c52281$8c0dfe20$364898de@tec> Message-ID: <008101c52293$1c4136e0$658d87d9@oemcomputer> What model of bike would have been more suitable to carry the weight of the Nakamichi brand? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 06 March 2005 19:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike Hello Fred As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised that Nak put their name on such a piece of department store junk - I would have at least expected it on a light weight racing frame with high quality running gear. That bike would have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it was first built. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have technical expertise! As a Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager who lives in Portland, OR I was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be able to say: "I'm taking the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that bike is junk. The only thing it has in common with our lovely decks is that it will be impossible to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of business over a decade ago). That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be happy to pick it up and ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the wall by your Dragon. I sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't notice any mounting brackets for a Nak mobile deck... cheers, Fred On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still up for sale on ebay: Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in Portland, OR, since he won't ship it (even though it's never been assembled, and still has the box). That must be what's holding the price down (currently $77). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Mar 7 06:21:33 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Parts for Nak 550.... Message-ID: <422BE4DD.9090006@woods-and-waters.com> Dear fellow Nak'ers, Does anyone know of a NEW PRODUCTION 14-pin card edge connector that is the functional equivalent to Nakamichi Part B-1814 (14-pin) and B-1797 (19-pin). I believe the 14-pin connector has a 4 mm pin-to-pin pitch. Don't know about the 19-pin. It looks like a tighter pitch but I could be wrong. Both are for PC board through-hole mount, so they need solder-pin tails, NOT solder lugs or wire wrap posts. Failing that, where can I buy a suitable quality original Nakamichi Part B-1814 and B-1797 -- other than ESL. OK, well, ESL if no other choice exists. (Does ESL sell parts or just complete restoration jobs?) I'm trying to repair a 550 that cuts out during record on its right channel I've definitely traced the problem to the connector that the Dolby PCB plugs into. That is the 14-pin connector. IF I could replace that part, the deck would be in very good condition otherwise. Thanks for the help! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 7 09:58:58 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:58:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES owner looking for Nakamichi... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Your first problem is those Dolby "S" recordings! not on a Nak mate!! Nak never took up this option. those Metals would be fine for over recording though? As for the older type 1 tapes, well, I have only had success playing these types of tapes on my Naks, a bit hissy but acceptable. I do think your main drawback with going down the Nak road will be the amount you want to pay and your reluctance to have a service! A nineties Nak would be at the most 15 years old, and if not already done would need at least the idler tyre changing and in reallity all the rubbers! easy to get parts but a bit daunting to fit if you are not mechanically inclined (Most of us accept that these necessary services come with the privilage of owning a Nak?). The Pioneer decks with the flex circuit would seem to be the way to go, but I have no idea what the output is like, but then I am certain that you are about to be deluged with help and information by other members!! Good luck! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Ess Wiego [mailto:swiego at hotmail.com] Sent: 06 March 2005 06:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES owner looking for Nakamichi... I dabbled with tape decks more seriously in the long distant past, but effectively I'm starting anew here. I'm an owner of a Sony TC-KA3ES deck, which I believe was one of the best Sony decks available in North America, if not *the* best. (I'd imagine there's some debate about this.) I also am a long time owner of several WM-D6C portable walkmans. This equipment sounds great, has operated flawlessly and been a joy to use. I'm looking to expand my horizons a bit! I've read most of the posts from this list for the last several months and feel it's time to say "hi!" and ask for advice. I'm looking for a couple of choices to check out, from a hobbyist perspective. I have some goals and limits which I can throw out. - I have new (brand new Dolby S recordings onto Sony Metal Master ES tapes) and old (20+ year old recordings from a cheap boombox into the cheapest Type I tape available) tapes that I'd like to get the most out of during playback - I have almost no need for recording ability at this point. - Looking to try different "sound" than the Sony, which to my ear seems very accurate and analytical, though not very musical - I'm particularly interested in a couple of features: Nakamichi's playback azimuth adjustment, and Pioneer's FLEX technology for livening up old faded tapes. I've also heard that Yamaha and TEAC had their 1990s prestige decks that are worth checking out. - I really can't spend more than a couple hundred bucks for a deck. Getting a Dragon or CR-7 at current prices is just not realistic for me. - I'm very nervous about getting a 20+ year old deck, a la a 700-series Nak, or say one of those Pioneer 1250 decks you see all over eBay. Maybe I don't have reason to be, but I'm going to draw the line and say that I'd rather get an early 90s deck than an early 80s deck. Reliability ultimately is critical. I don't have time to ship things off to be serviced! Any recommendations or thoughts? This is mostly an experiment to get a "taste" for something different from what I have. Also, any feedback on what I could / should expect given my current KA3ES would be appreciated. It's my impression that this particular deck is extremely good, and in many ways the equal of some of the top-rated decks talked about on this list. On the Nak side specifically I am thinking about the DR1 and the Cassette Deck 1, both of which have playback azi adjustment, both of which are relatively modern, and both of which are way, way cheaper than $2,700 Dragons.... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From daveharris at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 7 10:16:36 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:16:36 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophile Cassettes Message-ID: <00cc01c522f6$5d6e8330$6c5d65da@vurt> Hi Nakkers Found this site with lots of pictures of Japanese Esoterica including Nakamichi. http://www006.upp.so-net.ne.jp/freakbeatfreak/Freak-Audio.htm Also. I buy a lot of tapes from garage sales and markets ( it's amazing what you can find) many I chuck out but a few I keep. Does anyone have any recomendations for record labels that produce high quality prerecorded tapes, usually on chrome tapes and recorded at chrome bias settings. I have some from the following labels eg NAI label from Germany I have Best of the Pogues and Best Of Enya Arcade Label from Holland Creedence Clearwater Revival Hits (I have some CD's on the Arcade label and they are the loudest CD's I have) Mich Label from USA Hits from Big band Era All recorded Dolby B and sound great on all of my decks Cheers dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 7 11:39:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:39:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES owner looking for Nakamichi... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c52301$f203c540$4bd9883e@oemcomputer> To build on Colin's comments, the Na with FLEX (CTS830S is my recommendation) would be good in so far as it has FLEX for the old recordings AND it has a decemnt Dolby S circuit. There are other better Dolby S machines, of course - e.g. the Arcam 100 - but they don't have an equivalent to FLEX or adjustable azimuth. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: Ess Wiego [mailto:swiego at hotmail.com] > Sent: 06 March 2005 06:36 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES owner looking for Nakamichi... > > > I dabbled with tape decks more seriously in the long distant past, but > effectively I'm starting anew here. I'm an owner of a Sony TC-KA3ES deck, > which I believe was one of the best Sony decks available in North America, > if not *the* best. (I'd imagine there's some debate about this.) > I also am > a long time owner of several WM-D6C portable walkmans. This equipment > sounds great, has operated flawlessly and been a joy to use. > > I'm looking to expand my horizons a bit! I've read most of the posts from > this list for the last several months and feel it's time to say "hi!" and > ask for advice. I'm looking for a couple of choices to check out, from a > hobbyist perspective. I have some goals and limits which I can throw out. > - I have new (brand new Dolby S recordings onto Sony Metal Master > ES tapes) > and old (20+ year old recordings from a cheap boombox into the > cheapest Type > I tape available) tapes that I'd like to get the most out of > during playback > - I have almost no need for recording ability at this point. > - Looking to try different "sound" than the Sony, which to my ear > seems very > accurate and analytical, though not very musical > - I'm particularly interested in a couple of features: > Nakamichi's playback > azimuth adjustment, and Pioneer's FLEX technology for livening up > old faded > tapes. I've also heard that Yamaha and TEAC had their 1990s > prestige decks > that are worth checking out. > - I really can't spend more than a couple hundred bucks for a > deck. Getting > a Dragon or CR-7 at current prices is just not realistic for me. > - I'm very nervous about getting a 20+ year old deck, a la a > 700-series Nak, > or say one of those Pioneer 1250 decks you see all over eBay. > Maybe I don't > have reason to be, but I'm going to draw the line and say that I'd rather > get an early 90s deck than an early 80s deck. Reliability ultimately is > critical. I don't have time to ship things off to be serviced! > > Any recommendations or thoughts? This is mostly an experiment to get a > "taste" for something different from what I have. Also, any feedback on > what I could / should expect given my current KA3ES would be appreciated. > It's my impression that this particular deck is extremely good, > and in many > ways the equal of some of the top-rated decks talked about on this list. > > On the Nak side specifically I am thinking about the DR1 and the Cassette > Deck 1, both of which have playback azi adjustment, both of which are > relatively modern, and both of which are way, way cheaper than $2,700 > Dragons.... > > From pubrunner2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 12:33:14 2005 From: pubrunner2000 at yahoo.com (Andrew Heaton) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Uher Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050307113314.28327.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently been given two working cassette players : A Uher CU3000G and Uher CG310. They seem to be heavy, quality pieces of kit and look as if they might have been expensive to buy when new. They are not a make with which I'm familiar and I guess that they are quite old (20+ years). The Uher CG310 looks a little older than the Uher CU3000G. I don't expect them to be anywhere near Nakamichi standards, but I was wondering if anyone could give me any information about them. Which is the better of the machines ? How high HiFi are they ? How would they compare with a modern cassette player ? Do they deserve house space ? Regards, Andy Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Mar 7 12:40:25 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:40:25 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Kermit - ESL spares. Message-ID: <20050307114025.85374.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com> First thanks Gra, I have put the RX-202 away in the original packaging and the thought of taking it out once a week, ugh, and would wreck the styrofoam eventually. Kermit, if all else fails ESL DO sell spares if they have HEAPS and think they have excess that they won't need for rebuilds. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Mar 7 14:13:48 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:13:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Parts for Nak 550.... In-Reply-To: <422BE4DD.9090006@woods-and-waters.com> References: <422BE4DD.9090006@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <422C538C.3060206@cox.net> Kermit - I can't picture your connectors in my mind, but there may be something in the AMP (now Tyco) line which could work. If you could be more certain about the pin pitch it might be easier to find the connector; there are a number of standard pitches - .040(1.02mm), .050(1.25mm), .100 (2.54mm), .125 (3.18mm), .140(3.56mm), .150(3.81mm), .156(3.96mm), .200(2.08mm), .235(5.97mm). I've got an old AMP catalog in front of me right now, and here are some numbers you should check into: 0.100" (2.54mm) pitch, 14 dual positions, part number 1-583485-6 0.150" (3.18mm) pitch, 14 dual positions, part number 1-583692-3 0.156" (3.96mm) pitch, 14 dual positions, part number 1-583660-4 0.100" (2.54mm) pitch, 19 dual positions, part number 1-583715-7 Amphenol also makes card edge connectors but only up to 2.54mm pitch. - http://www.amphenolcanada.com/ Hirose is a Japanese manufacturer of connectors, including card edge - http://www.hiroseusa.com/products_listings.asp Good luck. Over the last 30 years a lot of connector manufacturers have been absorbed by others or dropped by the wayside, so it may be difficult to find an exact replacement. Tim Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Dear fellow Nak'ers, > > Does anyone know of a NEW PRODUCTION 14-pin card edge connector that > is the functional equivalent to Nakamichi Part B-1814 (14-pin) and > B-1797 (19-pin). I believe the 14-pin connector has a 4 mm pin-to-pin > pitch. Don't know about the 19-pin. It looks like a tighter pitch but > I could be wrong. > > Both are for PC board through-hole mount, so they need solder-pin > tails, NOT solder lugs or wire wrap posts. > > Failing that, where can I buy a suitable quality original Nakamichi > Part B-1814 and B-1797 -- other than ESL. OK, well, ESL if no other > choice exists. (Does ESL sell parts or just complete restoration jobs?) > > I'm trying to repair a 550 that cuts out during record on its right > channel I've definitely traced the problem to the connector that the > Dolby PCB plugs into. That is the 14-pin connector. IF I could replace > that part, the deck would be in very good condition otherwise. > > Thanks for the help! > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 18:57:36 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:57:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050307175736.95039.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Raleigh is a classic. More modern ones would be Cannondale, Iron Horse I guess. Speaking of Nak things, why isnt Naktalk making things like mugs or t-shirts and having part of the proceeds going to Naks.com? Bala --- Nelson wrote: > What model of bike would have been more suitable to > carry the weight of the > Nakamichi brand? > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Donald Sangster > Sent: 06 March 2005 19:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike > > > Hello Fred > > As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised that > Nak put their name on > such a piece of department store junk - I would have > at least expected it on > a light weight racing frame with high quality > running gear. That bike would > have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it was > first built. > > Donald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fred Lifton > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike > > > Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have technical > expertise! As a > Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager who > lives in Portland, OR I > was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be > able to say: "I'm taking > the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that > bike is junk. The only > thing it has in common with our lovely decks is that > it will be impossible > to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of > business over a decade ago). > > That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be > happy to pick it up and > ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the > wall by your Dragon. I > sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't > notice any mounting > brackets for a Nak mobile deck... > > cheers, > Fred > > > > On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, > naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still > up for sale on ebay: > > > 3&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> > > Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in > Portland, OR, since he won't > ship > it (even though it's never been assembled, and > still has the box). > That > must be what's holding the price down > (currently $77). > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From bobobozo at netzero.com Mon Mar 7 20:51:58 2005 From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:51:58 GMT Subject: [naktalk] nak 700 worth fixing? Message-ID: <20050307.115234.21173.71067@webmail27.lax.untd.com> Hi: Two Nak 700s I bought through e-bay are busts. Both need work. One was tweeked in 1995, but apparently left in storage did its damage. Did play a few tapes before they went completely south. No chance of recording. Hugo advises that 700s usually have the same thing go wrong with them so prospects of using one to cannibalize for the other are more remote than I originally thought. Another Naker said the 700II is much improved. So looking for advice. If I have to sell them, will take $50 each plus postage. Thanks bob charlanza Reading, Pa. bob charlanza 610.775.9354 wknds 570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m. epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work) epcommunitynews.com (website) From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Mar 7 20:22:16 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:22:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Uher Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <20050307113314.28327.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050307113314.28327.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422CA9E8.5080400@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Andrew, Andrew Heaton wrote: > I have recently been given two working cassette players : > > A Uher CU3000G > and Uher CG310. > > I don't expect them to be anywhere near Nakamichi standards, but I was > wondering if anyone could give me any information about them. They'll meet your expectations. Uhers sound like cassettes, not like music. Cumbersome mechanics, difficult to keep running to spec, inaccurate meters with poor ballistics. But quite ruggedly built. Transport to its credit has low flutter-and-wow. If they break, you're finished. Uher is the literal worst in the world for supporting out of production products. Saul Mineroff is the only one I know who actually does prompt, quality work for a fair price on uher recorders. Uher themselves are completely unresponsive to emails or phone calls for repairs to older models. I do not know how they expect to attract new customers with such poor customer service! > Which is the better of the machines? The CU3000G, stretching the definition of "better." > How high HiFi are they? Tree-top level. The audio equivalent of flying a strafing run. Hard-sounding, not at all musical, more noisy than most other brands, harsh-sounding tape hiss, and very limited headroom -- a high quality cassette has better headroom than the decks do! A tendency to overload under sharp transients, poor deep bass handling, "closed into a box" spatial imaging, no sense of back-to-front spatial imaging depth, and an overall lack of "airiness" or efortlessness round out the mediocrity of the Uher decks. Cymbals lack the sense of metallic ring, they just sound like ssssssh! ssssh! Violins sound either muffled or strident, depending on bowing technique. Bass drum, bass guitar, cello lack fullness and a sense of timbre or texture; they just boom. The decks seem to emphasize sibilance in vocals and chestiness in male dialogue. Subtlties of a recordng become lost with Uher decks, hence their "closed in/up front" dimensionless, generic overall presentation. Although not outright bad sounding, you're always aware you're listening to a tape. Uhers seem to impose an overall 1960s-sounding "flattery" to the sound that I myself find more mushy and fatiguing, not flattering; much like Wollensak's audiovisual recorders, albeit quiter and with better frequency reponse. They're at their best when recording from commercial radio broadcasts or heavily processed recordings-- THEN they sound fairly good! Live recordings, forget it, they just do not have the performance in any aspect. Seriously. > How would they compare with a modern cassette player? On a comparable level with either a good, but not top-end, auto cassette player or the tape deck built into "boom boxes." > Do they deserve house space? Sure. They're better players than recorders, they look cool, and they're good for playing back tapes while you sort unknown/unlabelled cassettes, playing spoken word tapes, recording off the radio, recording Internet broadcasts or MP3s, making voice letter cassettes and other utilitarian uses -- thus saving wear and tear on your precious Nakamichis. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From BADANTH at aol.com Mon Mar 7 22:24:26 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:24:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Questions Message-ID: <66.526b97de.2f5e208a@aol.com> I've got a line on a RX-202 locally and would like to know what to look for when I check it out. Could one of you knowledgeable brethren give me a check list of issues to look for with this model? 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Gray) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:53:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] Message-ID: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Thought the group would find this informative. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 From: Organization: Electronics Service Labs To: References: <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> Dear Mr. Gray, Although we likely have these parts in stock, it would require a lot of time to find them and therefore make them much too costly. Because we are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized. We only have a staff of electrical and electronic engineers. If I had office help or a parts department, things would be different. Other than the idler tires that we had made special for the Nakamichi cassette decks, we will only sell some of the parts that we have in large supply. We recommend that you always try to buy your replacement parts from other sources, such as; NAKUSA www.nakusa.com Tap Electronics Co. http://www.tapelectronics.com Studio Sound Technology Tel. 201-440-0888 Bowers And Wilkins Co. http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ (excellent replacement parts prices) Thank you for your inquiry! Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us * * * * * This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a reasonable price? I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? Or am I too critical on the point? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 8 05:03:58 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:03:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit - ESL spares. In-Reply-To: <20050307114025.85374.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050307114025.85374.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422D242E.50508@woods-and-waters.com> Thanks, guys for the help! Much appreciated! Iain McGhee wrote: > Kermit, if all else fails ESL DO sell spares if they > have HEAPS and think they have excess that they won't > need for rebuilds. Apparently, only pinch rollers and belts qualify. See another message I forwarded the group regarding ESL. Tim Barrett wrote: > Kermit - > > I can't picture your connectors in my mind, but there may be something in the AMP (now Tyco) line which could work. If you could be more certain about the pin pitch it might be easier to find the connector; there are a number of standard pitches - .040(1.02mm), .050(1.25mm), .100 (2.54mm), .125 (3.18mm), .140(3.56mm), .150(3.81mm), .156(3.96mm), .200(2.08mm), .235(5.97mm). I've got an old AMP catalog in front of me right now, and here are some numbers you should check into: > > 0.100" (2.54mm) pitch, 14 dual positions, part number 1-583485-6 > 0.150" (3.18mm) pitch, 14 dual positions, part number 1-583692-3 > 0.156" (3.96mm) pitch, 14 dual positions, part number 1-583660-4 > 0.100" (2.54mm) pitch, 19 dual positions, part number 1-583715-7 > > Amphenol also makes card edge connectors but only up to 2.54mm pitch. - http://www.amphenolcanada.com/ > > Hirose is a Japanese manufacturer of connectors, including card edge - http://www.hiroseusa.com/products_listings.asp > > Good luck. Over the last 30 years a lot of connector manufacturers have been absorbed by others or dropped by the wayside, so it may be difficult to find an exact replacement. Hirose has one I *think* will work, but no US distributor has it stocked. Hirose wants a $300.00 minimum order before they'll get one for me. Phhht! So, I soldered the Dolby board into the socket. Works fine now. Yes, I know I voided the warranty. Wait. The warranty may have run out by now. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 09:58:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:58:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nak 700 worth fixing? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050308085814.4369.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Ok I have a working 700, and the sound is beautiful. It isnt really up there, but it is very warm, lively and enjoyable. I would say it mimicks the sound of older open reel decks. If so, I would rather cannibalize one to fix the other. But, if possible, fix both. You cant go wrong with a working 700. But then again, you cant go wrong with any Nak :) Bala "bobobozo at netzero.com" wrote: Hi: Two Nak 700s I bought through e-bay are busts. Both need work. One was tweeked in 1995, but apparently left in storage did its damage. Did play a few tapes before they went completely south. No chance of recording. Hugo advises that 700s usually have the same thing go wrong with them so prospects of using one to cannibalize for the other are more remote than I originally thought. Another Naker said the 700II is much improved. So looking for advice. If I have to sell them, will take $50 each plus postage. 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Mar 8 10:11:26 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:11:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] References: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001301c523be$cee37a20$14ec9e51@compaq> I Think a PR Department might be a better idea!! T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > Thought the group would find this informative. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 > From: > Organization: Electronics Service Labs > To: > References: <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> > > Dear Mr. Gray, > > Although we likely have these parts in stock, it would require a lot of > time to find them and therefore make them much too costly. Because we > are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are > not well organized. We only have a staff of electrical and electronic > engineers. If I had office help or a parts department, things would be > different. Other than the idler tires that we had made special for the > Nakamichi cassette decks, we will only sell some of the parts that we > have in large supply. We recommend that you always try to buy your > replacement parts from other sources, such as; > > NAKUSA > www.nakusa.com > > Tap Electronics Co. > http://www.tapelectronics.com > > Studio Sound Technology > Tel. 201-440-0888 > > Bowers And Wilkins Co. > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ > (excellent replacement parts prices) > > Thank you for your inquiry! > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > * * * * * > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > reasonable price? > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > Or am I too critical on the point? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Tue Mar 8 10:20:53 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:20:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Is it possible that they are unwilling to sell some of their limited supplies of spares and have tried to gently dissuade you from pestering them? Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 08 March 2005 03:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] Thought the group would find this informative. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 From: Organization: Electronics Service Labs To: References: <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> Dear Mr. Gray, Although we likely have these parts in stock, it would require a lot of time to find them and therefore make them much too costly. Because we are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized. We only have a staff of electrical and electronic engineers. If I had office help or a parts department, things would be different. Other than the idler tires that we had made special for the Nakamichi cassette decks, we will only sell some of the parts that we have in large supply. We recommend that you always try to buy your replacement parts from other sources, such as; NAKUSA www.nakusa.com Tap Electronics Co. http://www.tapelectronics.com Studio Sound Technology Tel. 201-440-0888 Bowers And Wilkins Co. http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ (excellent replacement parts prices) Thank you for your inquiry! Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us * * * * * This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a reasonable price? I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? Or am I too critical on the point? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bhonhoff at dds.nl Tue Mar 8 10:56:30 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:56:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Uher Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <422CA9E8.5080400@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20050307113314.28327.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> <422CA9E8.5080400@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1110275790.422d76ce4bd17@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, I can confirm with Kermit. I've been recording conferences with a Nak 550 and the recordings blew away the Uhers (CR124, CR160) which were used as well. The first series Uhers were completely handmade in Germany, rugged with minimal specs. These portable series (+ the famous CG360) were reporting recorders, and specs were less important than reliability. Drop them and you break your tow instead of break the recorder. (With a Nak 550 you will break your leg if not your shoulder with the 3 times the weight of an CR124) The "newer" series Uher were NOT made in Germany (except for the casings, which made them "Made in Germany" ;-) and contained average mechanics and electronics. They are as good as any middle class (below any Nak) cassette recorder. Forget them! Quoting "Kermit V. Gray" : > Hi Andrew, > > Andrew Heaton wrote: > > I have recently been given two working cassette players : > > > > A Uher CU3000G > > and Uher CG310. > > > > I don't expect them to be anywhere near Nakamichi standards, but I was > > wondering if anyone could give me any information about them. > > They'll meet your expectations. Uhers sound like cassettes, not like > music. Cumbersome mechanics, difficult to keep running to spec, > inaccurate meters with poor ballistics. But quite ruggedly built. > Transport to its credit has low flutter-and-wow. > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 8 12:07:20 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:07:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <006801c523ce$ff80e680$55cd4c51@oemcomputer> Ummm ... I'd feel a bit p### off if I got an email like that, too. However, in fairness to Jeff, I think what it's saying is that ESL would rather their engineers spent time fixing/refurbishing machines than selling spares. There's more money in fixing Nak's than in selling spare parts, esp. when if you are paying engineer salaries, which will be higher than a stock keeper. Yes, I know the engineers will still have to find the parts they need to fix the machines but, at the end of the day, that time will be more profitable due to the high value of a well renovated Nak than in packing and posting spare parts. Would I send my Nak to ESL? Well, if I were in the States, probably yes, although I'd not discount sending to B&W, either. Why? Apart from some intakes of breath at the cost of servicing/renovation, I have NEVER heard anyone complain about the quality of work from ESL; rather, I have only heard high praise. Their reputation seems (to me) to be a company that offers a premium service but that means premium prices. Using B&W ... well... from the States, that means you'll enjoy low prices (in spite of the value of the $ aganst the £) and (in my experience) excellent service and engineering skills. But you will have high transportation costs plus a potentially the higher risk of damage in transit and theft enroute. For what it's worth ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 08 March 2005 03:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > > > Thought the group would find this informative. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 > From: > Organization: Electronics Service Labs > To: > References: <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> > > Dear Mr. Gray, > > Although we likely have these parts in stock, it would require a lot of > time to find them and therefore make them much too costly. Because we > are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are > not well organized. We only have a staff of electrical and electronic > engineers. If I had office help or a parts department, things would be > different. Other than the idler tires that we had made special for the > Nakamichi cassette decks, we will only sell some of the parts that we > have in large supply. We recommend that you always try to buy your > replacement parts from other sources, such as; > > NAKUSA > www.nakusa.com > > Tap Electronics Co. > http://www.tapelectronics.com > > Studio Sound Technology > Tel. 201-440-0888 > > Bowers And Wilkins Co. > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ > (excellent replacement parts prices) > > Thank you for your inquiry! > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > * * * * * > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > reasonable price? > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > Or am I too critical on the point? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 8 13:47:21 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:47:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> References: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <422D9ED9.9060408@snet.net> I think you may be overly critical here. Regardless of their degree of organization, or if the reply was merely an excuse to gently say no, the bottom line is that ESL does exceptionally good work and has a validated history of knowing these decks as well as or better than the original designers. Ask yourself how many repair centers can offer an on site cassette deck head relapping service with the capacity to restore a Nak head to essentially new specs. My hunch is that you were being politely told no as far as parts go. Ed Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Thought the group would find this informative. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 > From: > Organization: Electronics Service Labs > To: > References: <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> > > Dear Mr. Gray, > > Although we likely have these parts in stock, it would require a lot > of time to find them and therefore make them much too costly. Because > we are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts > are not well organized. We only have a staff of electrical and > electronic engineers. If I had office help or a parts department, > things would be different. Other than the idler tires that we had > made special for the Nakamichi cassette decks, we will only sell some > of the parts that we have in large supply. We recommend that you > always try to buy your replacement parts from other sources, such as; > > NAKUSA > www.nakusa.com > > Tap Electronics Co. > http://www.tapelectronics.com > > Studio Sound Technology > Tel. 201-440-0888 > > Bowers And Wilkins Co. > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ > (excellent replacement parts prices) > > Thank you for your inquiry! > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > * * * * * > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts > supply company and just do service, our spare parts are not well > organized...." OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS > at a reasonable price, why am I to expect that they can undertake > repairs at a reasonable price? > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & > W and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does > me? Or am I too critical on the point? > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Mar 8 14:48:54 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:48:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] References: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <002f01c523e5$92172340$0e92fea9@wdrewes> To have stores organised for sales and dispatch is a completely different operation than to have inhouse supplies to your techcians.For this one needs far more organisation.(costly?) I would not read much into them saying they are not organised for stores selling as I dont see how this effects their repair capabilities.Repairs are done by different people to storemen and salesmen! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > Thought the group would find this informative. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 > From: > Organization: Electronics Service Labs > To: > References: <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> > > Dear Mr. Gray, > > Although we likely have these parts in stock, it would require a lot of > time to find them and therefore make them much too costly. Because we > are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are > not well organized. We only have a staff of electrical and electronic > engineers. If I had office help or a parts department, things would be > different. Other than the idler tires that we had made special for the > Nakamichi cassette decks, we will only sell some of the parts that we > have in large supply. We recommend that you always try to buy your > replacement parts from other sources, such as; > > NAKUSA > www.nakusa.com > > Tap Electronics Co. > http://www.tapelectronics.com > > Studio Sound Technology > Tel. 201-440-0888 > > Bowers And Wilkins Co. > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ > (excellent replacement parts prices) > > Thank you for your inquiry! > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > * * * * * > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > reasonable price? > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > Or am I too critical on the point? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Mar 8 22:16:54 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:16:54 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON PLABACK CAL POTS Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D930@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> The playback level trimpots are V501, 502, 601 and 602 (reverse direction), input meter adjustment pots are V701 and 801. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: yesnomaybe [mailto:yesnomaybe at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2005 1:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON PLABACK CAL POTS ......anyone know the Pot No.s for trimming the playback level and also the Pot No.'s for the meters? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Mar 8 22:24:14 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:24:14 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Questions Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D932@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I think the most important thing to look out for is the flipping mechanism. Over time the belts will get loose and it may not flip as accurately leaving the tape a little bit out so as the azimuth may be afected. It uses the Sankyo mechanism so look out for the infamous worn idler wheel where the tape will not REW or FF all the way to the end and play may stop too in the middle of the tape. Other than that the electronics are good and it should sound great too. Bring with you a blank tape of your choice and do some test recording with music and playback the recording to see if it sounds good. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BADANTH at aol.com [mailto:BADANTH at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2005 8:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Questions I've got a line on a RX-202 locally and would like to know what to look for when I check it out. Could one of you knowledgeable brethren give me a check list of issues to look for with this model? Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepieboy at comcast.net Tue Mar 8 14:31:48 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:31:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Uher Cassette Decks Message-ID: <030820051331.12494.422DA943000C8FE5000030CE220588636097010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> I always admired the servo-controlled miniaturized mechanicals of the Uher 124 and 126 portable cassette decks (I think the CR310 may have been a later descendent of these). Back in the 1970s they had one in the Deutsch Museum of Technology in Munich outfitted with a clear plexiglass shell so you could see the internals. The guts of the portable had virtually no air space in it, just solidly packed mechanisms and circuits everywhere--like a tape recorder that had been squashed down by a trash compactor. Sorry to hear it didn't sound as sophisticated as it looked. I guess it was intended as a cassette-era replacement for the old 4000 and 4400 portable reel recorders used by the press for many years. To that end, I think it also had film sync capability--a low-budget Nagra? Best regards, John Derven Eugene, Oregon USA -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi Andrew, > > Andrew Heaton wrote: > > I have recently been given two working cassette players : > > > > A Uher CU3000G > > and Uher CG310. > > > > I don't expect them to be anywhere near Nakamichi standards, but I was > > wondering if anyone could give me any information about them. > > They'll meet your expectations. Uhers sound like cassettes, not like > music. Cumbersome mechanics, difficult to keep running to spec, > inaccurate meters with poor ballistics. But quite ruggedly built. > Transport to its credit has low flutter-and-wow. > > If they break, you're finished. Uher is the literal worst in the world > for supporting out of production products. Saul Mineroff is the only one > I know who actually does prompt, quality work for a fair price on uher > recorders. Uher themselves are completely unresponsive to emails or > phone calls for repairs to older models. I do not know how they expect > to attract new customers with such poor customer service! > > > Which is the better of the machines? > > The CU3000G, stretching the definition of "better." > > > How high HiFi are they? > > Tree-top level. The audio equivalent of flying a strafing run. > > Hard-sounding, not at all musical, more noisy than most other brands, > harsh-sounding tape hiss, and very limited headroom -- a high quality > cassette has better headroom than the decks do! A tendency to overload > under sharp transients, poor deep bass handling, "closed into a box" > spatial imaging, no sense of back-to-front spatial imaging depth, and an > overall lack of "airiness" or efortlessness round out the mediocrity of > the Uher decks. > > Cymbals lack the sense of metallic ring, they just sound like ssssssh! > ssssh! Violins sound either muffled or strident, depending on bowing > technique. Bass drum, bass guitar, cello lack fullness and a sense of > timbre or texture; they just boom. The decks seem to emphasize sibilance > in vocals and chestiness in male dialogue. Subtlties of a recordng > become lost with Uher decks, hence their "closed in/up front" > dimensionless, generic overall presentation. > > Although not outright bad sounding, you're always aware you're listening > to a tape. > > Uhers seem to impose an overall 1960s-sounding "flattery" to the sound > that I myself find more mushy and fatiguing, not flattering; much like > Wollensak's audiovisual recorders, albeit quiter and with better > frequency reponse. > > They're at their best when recording from commercial radio broadcasts or > heavily processed recordings-- THEN they sound fairly good! Live > recordings, forget it, they just do not have the performance in any > aspect. Seriously. > > > How would they compare with a modern cassette player? > > On a comparable level with either a good, but not top-end, auto cassette > player or the tape deck built into "boom boxes." > > > Do they deserve house space? > Sure. They're better players than recorders, they look cool, and they're > good for playing back tapes while you sort unknown/unlabelled cassettes, > playing spoken word tapes, recording off the radio, recording Internet > broadcasts or MP3s, making voice letter cassettes and other utilitarian > uses -- thus saving wear and tear on your precious Nakamichis. > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Tue Mar 8 14:44:24 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:44:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <422D9ED9.9060408@snet.net> References: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> <422D9ED9.9060408@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050308084424.h2g5vnr0791c8gk4@www.richardhess.com> I maintain a parts stock of unobtainium parts for Sony APR-5000 series decks, mostly through acquiring non-working machines (I have a total of 20). I have parts galore to repair mine, but I am loathe to consider selling parts because (a) I'll have fewer parts to repair mine in the future (b) It takes forever to find a good working part on a machine I want to make even less functional (c) It's a used part and there are warranty issues. I figure to break even, I'd have to sell any part for a minimum of $200 just to cover the time of retrieving it. Selling parts without doing the related labour is not a good deal today. I'm not in the business of supporting others' decks, just using the ones I have to transfer tapes for people...oh, and I have 5.5 Dragons, the 0.5 being the last NOS mechanism TAP had (at least as of several years ago) complete with heads. The next-to-last NOS mechanism went into an eBay Dragon that had been totally corroded in Florida. Cheers, Richard -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Quoting Edward Noyes : > I think you may be overly critical here. From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Mar 8 14:53:36 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:53:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] References: <422D21C2.6040806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003001c523e6$3cc52350$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Kermit V. Gray" > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > reasonable price? > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > Or am I too critical on the point? If they're so disorganized, it might explain why they charge so much to repair decks and it might be less expensive when all is considered to send it across the pond and back. I suspect that the reality is that they simply don't want to deal with the "hassles" of being a parts supplier and probably aren't as disorganized as they suggest. Of course, they could be honest about it (or maybe they are)... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://crestron.geoff-reynolds.net From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Mar 8 15:05:01 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:05:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Message-ID: <001a01c523e7$d1fa3360$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Kermit, I can tell you from experience with a Dragon, CR-7, RX-505, and 682ZX that ESL does escellent work. They are not inexpensive, but you will not be dissappointed with the result. They will give a detailed estimate of their recommended work once they open the machine, and they are happy to discuss options where appropriate. They do return emails, and they are always available by phone. The reasonableness of their prices you will have to judge for youself. In my case, the cost of the repairs plus the cost of acquiring the deck in the first place, has always been substantially less than the cost of the machine when new some 20+ years ago. If you opt for their full re-build, you end up with a machine that is essentially new....or better if upgrades are appropriate. As for parts, I don't think they have any desire to be a parts supplier. The parts are obviously in short supply, and they need them to maintain their repair business. As hobbiests, that may not please us, but from the business owner's point of view, I can understand it. Robert Kent Kermit wrote: This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a reasonable price? I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? 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I use them because they sound better than semi pro digital recorders and open reel tape is on the expensive side. When I get my paws on a nice DSD recorder, I am not going to be so concerned with ESL and their cornering of the NAK parts market. Don't get me wrong, I love my NAKS, but only because they sound so good. After I find a modern recording replacement, I will archive my cassettes and retire the beasts to part time use. ESL should be trying to accommodate every Nak owner who rings their bloody phone. My opinion. From 3ld at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 8 15:28:30 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:28:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa Message-ID: <422DB68E.2000302@bellsouth.net> Greetings Nakophiles everywhere, We, the Atlanta, GA group of Nak lovers would like to offer to all members of this list a complete CD of music from our collections and made via our Naks, a la the 2004 San Francisco submission. This will be a "type 1" submission, that is, a non-profit sharing of music we have, as opposed to a "type 2" wherein the performances are recorded live with permission from the artists (We as a group are not yet up to speed yet for the live recordings, but are making progress in that direction (thanks Kermit). Kermit Gray, as many of you know from earlier posts on this next Marathon effort, has agreed most generously to create the Cd from the master tape we will supply. I have suggested a $10 donation per Cd to Kermit (not the Atlanta group), not that that in any way covers his cost and expertise, but as an honorarium to acknowledge his fine work and great expertise, and cover at least the cost of the cd and postage, etc. Please respond to this post if you have an interest in receiving this music to give us an idea of the demand for it. We will make it an interesting bit of music, and it will be available soon. Atlanta Mike From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 8 16:49:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:49:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike In-Reply-To: <20050307175736.95039.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050307175736.95039.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422DC96C.1030203@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Raleigh is a classic. More modern ones would be > Cannondale, Iron Horse I guess. Speaking of Nak > things, why isnt Naktalk making things like mugs or > t-shirts and having part of the proceeds going to > Naks.com? > Probably because of trademark restrictions on use of the Nakamichi "N" logo. My best guess. > Bala > > --- Nelson wrote: > >>What model of bike would have been more suitable to >>carry the weight of the >>Nakamichi brand? >> >>Gra' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >>Of Donald Sangster >> Sent: 06 March 2005 19:20 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike >> >> >> Hello Fred >> >> As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised that >>Nak put their name on >>such a piece of department store junk - I would have >>at least expected it on >>a light weight racing frame with high quality >>running gear. That bike would >>have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it was >>first built. >> >> Donald >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Fred Lifton >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike >> >> >> Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have technical >>expertise! As a >>Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager who >>lives in Portland, OR I >>was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be >>able to say: "I'm taking >>the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that >>bike is junk. The only >>thing it has in common with our lovely decks is that >>it will be impossible >>to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of >>business over a decade ago). >> >> That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be >>happy to pick it up and >>ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the >>wall by your Dragon. I >>sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't >>notice any mounting >>brackets for a Nak mobile deck... >> >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> >> >> On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, >>naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> >> >> Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's still >>up for sale on ebay: >> >> >> > > >>3&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> >> >> Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in >>Portland, OR, since he won't >>ship >> it (even though it's never been assembled, and >>still has the box). >>That >> must be what's holding the price down >>(currently $77). >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com >>mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From CKDawson at cableone.net Wed Mar 9 01:36:48 2005 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:36:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] Message-ID: <004201c52440$146509c0$6501a8c0@dell> Hi Kermit, Sorry to say, but I had checked B & W's website just to see if I had any alternative's before I sent my 600 in to ESL. Here's what they say - We are generally unable to carry out service on the following models due to the unavailability of spare parts: a.. 250/350/500/550 b.. 410/420/430/530/610/620/630/730 c.. 580 before serial number 10101 d.. 600/600 II e.. 700/700 II/700ZXL/700ZXE f.. 1000/1000 II/1000ZXL It is, however, worth checking with us, because we still have some belts and other parts for these models. You and many of the other posters on this forum seem to have skills which would allow you to do your own repairs if you knew what you needed and could obtain the parts. Maybe B & W could be of some help that way, but it looks like they wouldn't take your 600 II (or my 600 either for that matter) in for service in their shop. I haven't heard back from ESL as far as a diagnosis or cost to do the overhaul, but I'd be glad to share that info with you once I get it. Keith Dawson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Playback was perfect, rewind and fast forward worked but creaked constantly. Then I switched on the 400 cps oscillator, pressed RECord and PLAY together. No movement, no oscillator. Now, the tape mechanism won't work at all. Neither rewind nor fast forward work. Pressing PLAY causes the heads to move up, retracting the cassette's pads, but the tape won't move. So, what went wrong? Ah, the joys of eBay -- where dreams go to die! (By the by, DSA, "Dead Shortly Afterward.") -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 04:06:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:06:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309030627.25915.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Perhaps so, although I have had a more direct no from Jeff before. Anyway, with regards to their parts, I think a computer with spreadsheet software would really be good for parts organization. However, being repair people, they would usually know where which part lies. My bench is a total mess and no one can find anything on it accept me. But I am able to find what I want quickly. Bala --- Edward Noyes wrote: > I think you may be overly critical here. Regardless > of their degree of > organization, or if the reply was merely an excuse > to gently say no, the > bottom line is that ESL does exceptionally good work > and has a validated > history of knowing these decks as well as or better > than the original > designers. Ask yourself how many repair centers can > offer an on site > cassette deck head relapping service with the > capacity to restore a Nak > head to essentially new specs. My hunch is that you > were being politely > told no as far as parts go. > > Ed > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Thought the group would find this informative. > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request > > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0500 > > From: > > Organization: Electronics Service Labs > > To: > > References: > <422BE924.3020707 at woods-and-waters.com> > > > > Dear Mr. Gray, > > > > Although we likely have these parts in stock, it > would require a lot > > of time to find them and therefore make them much > too costly. Because > > we are not a parts supply company and just do > service, our spare parts > > are not well organized. We only have a staff of > electrical and > > electronic engineers. If I had office help or a > parts department, > > things would be different. Other than the idler > tires that we had > > made special for the Nakamichi cassette decks, we > will only sell some > > of the parts that we have in large supply. We > recommend that you > > always try to buy your replacement parts from > other sources, such as; > > > > NAKUSA > > www.nakusa.com > > > > Tap Electronics Co. > > http://www.tapelectronics.com > > > > Studio Sound Technology > > Tel. 201-440-0888 > > > > Bowers And Wilkins Co. > > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/ > > (excellent replacement parts prices) > > > > Thank you for your inquiry! > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeff Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > > www.nakamichi.us > > > > > > * * * * * > > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we > are not a parts > > supply company and just do service, our spare > parts are not well > > organized...." OK, if they're so disorganized > they cannot SELL PARTS > > at a reasonable price, why am I to expect that > they can undertake > > repairs at a reasonable price? > > > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent > to send my beloved > > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. > I think I'll use B & > > W and live with the shipping costs across the pond > and back. > > > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you > as much as it does > > me? Or am I too critical on the point? > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From swiego at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 07:05:31 2005 From: swiego at hotmail.com (Ess Wiego) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:05:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! Message-ID: I am the person who posted just a week ago about having a Sony KA3ES and wanting to try out Nakamichi. Well, I managed to get ahold of a DR-1 that arrived just a couple of days ago! It has some dings but mechanically appears to be in great condition. I am just floored by how good certain recordings are with this gem. The Sony feels more precise, has Dolby S, and plays *very* smooth, however it feels extremely analytical and dry, whereas the Nakamichi is simply musical in a way. It's hard to describe. Also, the Nakamichi has the first Dolby NR system that actually works! It's the first deck which I actually leave Dolby on for... wow! I had a few questions about my little toy that I was hoping to get some feedback on. First, how does one find out when it was built? During what years were the DR1 built? I'm not sure I trust the date information on naks.com, it seems to stop around '91 or '92. My serial number is in the 18xxx range I believe, if that helps. Second question, re: playback azimuth. There's the knob, and if I twist and turn it, sound definitely changes. At a certain position the little azimuth light turns on. It seems to turn on at exactly the same setting no matter what tape I use (the 12 o'clock position). Does this light indicate 12 o'clock position? Or does it indicate optimal azimuth? And if the latter, is it unusual for tapes to always have the same optimal position. I have expensive and cheap tapes recorded on all manner of devices, and the behavior of that light is the same for them all! Third, is there a place to get a manual for the DR-1? Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser HD650s as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance headphones that need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to appreciate high output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love about the Sony (and the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, including the KA2ES, etc.) is that the KA3ES alone had a much higher output headphone amp. The DR1 sadly falls short here. The sound is just barely "right" with the headphone output knob turned all the way up. Do the other Nakamichi models have more powerful headphone outputs? Is there any information on the output (wattage in mW driving n Ohms) for the various Nakamichi decks? And lastly... any general discussion about the DR1 would be great! What's it like? How does it stack up in the Nakamichi lineup? What's its reputation, its MO on the street? I'm glad to be a part of the family :) _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 09:39:53 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:39:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! Message-ID: Shalom Ess! The only response that 100% sure I can advice you is in relation of the headphone output...I also love the same brand german made headphones they are 300 Ohms, ALL NAKAMICHI DECKS..accept 8 Ohms headphones, for so...you hear very softly..., with the "output knob turned fully to the right". Other enquires...some other member/s from our lovely forum will advice you! Happy listening! ALEX! >From: "Ess Wiego" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! >Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:05:31 -0500 > >I am the person who posted just a week ago about having a Sony KA3ES and >wanting to try out Nakamichi. Well, I managed to get ahold of a DR-1 that >arrived just a couple of days ago! It has some dings but mechanically >appears to be in great condition. I am just floored by how good certain >recordings are with this gem. The Sony feels more precise, has Dolby S, >and plays *very* smooth, however it feels extremely analytical and dry, >whereas the Nakamichi is simply musical in a way. It's hard to describe. >Also, the Nakamichi has the first Dolby NR system that actually works! >It's the first deck which I actually leave Dolby on for... wow! > >I had a few questions about my little toy that I was hoping to get some >feedback on. First, how does one find out when it was built? During what >years were the DR1 built? I'm not sure I trust the date information on >naks.com, it seems to stop around '91 or '92. My serial number is in the >18xxx range I believe, if that helps. > >Second question, re: playback azimuth. There's the knob, and if I twist >and turn it, sound definitely changes. At a certain position the little >azimuth light turns on. It seems to turn on at exactly the same setting no >matter what tape I use (the 12 o'clock position). Does this light indicate >12 o'clock position? Or does it indicate optimal azimuth? And if the >latter, is it unusual for tapes to always have the same optimal position. >I have expensive and cheap tapes recorded on all manner of devices, and the >behavior of that light is the same for them all! > >Third, is there a place to get a manual for the DR-1? > >Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser >HD650s as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance headphones >that need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to appreciate >high output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love about the Sony >(and the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, including the KA2ES, >etc.) is that the KA3ES alone had a much higher output headphone amp. The >DR1 sadly falls short here. The sound is just barely "right" with the >headphone output knob turned all the way up. Do the other Nakamichi models >have more powerful headphone outputs? Is there any information on the >output (wattage in mW driving n Ohms) for the various Nakamichi decks? > >And lastly... any general discussion about the DR1 would be great! What's >it like? How does it stack up in the Nakamichi lineup? What's its >reputation, its MO on the street? > >I'm glad to be a part of the family :) > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Wed Mar 9 09:53:07 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:53:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! In-Reply-To: from "Ess Wiego" at Mar 09, 2005 01:05:31 AM Message-ID: <20050309085307.E7CCD35E68@smtp.amb.org> Ess Wiego writes: > ... > Second question, re: playback azimuth. There's the knob, and if I twist and > turn it, sound definitely changes. At a certain position the little azimuth > light turns on. It seems to turn on at exactly the same setting no matter > what tape I use (the 12 o'clock position). Does this light indicate 12 > o'clock position? Or does it indicate optimal azimuth? It shows the deviation from the azimuth "center" that it is calibrated to. It does not indicate the "optimal" azimuth because the deck doesn't have a way of knowing where optimal is (your ears will have to be the judge). This is in contrast to the Dragon, where the playback head actually has two sandwiched sections, each reading the tape simultaneously, and a comparator circuit would make automatic azimuth corrections. > Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser HD650s > as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance headphones that > need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to appreciate high > output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love about the Sony (and > the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, including the KA2ES, etc.) is > that the KA3ES alone had a much higher output headphone amp. The DR1 sadly > falls short here. The sound is just barely "right" with the headphone > output knob turned all the way up. Do the other Nakamichi models have more > powerful headphone outputs? I am also a big headphone nut, and as much as I love Naks, the headphone amp circuit in Nak decks are nothing to write home about. They are typically a NJM4560D opamp driving a class B bipolar small signal push-pull output buffer stage, which is not the recipe for great sound. If you want better headphone sound, I suggest using an external dedicated headphone amplifier. I don't know if you are adept at DIY audio, but I recently launched a new community service project called the M^3, and this is a MOSFET class A headphone amp that would definitely do the HD650s justice. Check it out: http://www.amb.org/audio/mmm/ If you can't build it yourself, ask one of the pro builders listed on the site to make one for you. I use this amp with a HD600 in various setups and it's a great combo. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 9 10:48:14 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:48:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! Message-ID: Welcome DR1 owner!! (Does that sound like the handbook!!) The deck was built between 1992 and 1997 ish. Excellent as the Sony KA3ES is, the Nak DR1 should show it a clean pair of heels. Although the Sony has (courtesy of the DD dual cap set-up) a W+F of .022% and the Nak is aorund .035%, the difference is inaudible. The Nakamichi has a number of designs that give it an unbeatable advantage over the Sony. The heads are assembled (according to Nak), in layers to preclude the entry or storage of spurious magnetisation (then triple laminated), they are discrete in layout which allows optimum head gaps to be designed into them; the pad-lift on the playback head lifts the cassette's pad gently out of the way, prohibiting it from rubbing on the back of the tape thus all but eliminating skewing and scrape flutter and reducing wear to either head or tape to a fraction of that on other decks; playback signal management is handled much more precisely by the DR1 as the first amplifier stage is right at the head assembly. The manually adjusted azimuth makes it's reading of all tapes utterly precise, heads and capstan shafts are imbedded in an absorbent material that diffuses resonances to render them harmless and Naks implementation of Dolby is a revelation (as you have discovered). I'm sure I left things out.... Suffice to say that Nakamichi cassette decks have a solidity of sound, that blends detail with cohesion in an way that sets it apart from other top cassette machinery. Enjoy your DR-1 - it's a gem. It rates very favourably with other Nak three head machines, although one should look at the features that placed other machines in their range in the limelight. One think you will possibly want in due course will be the calibration power or the record head azimuth adjustment of other models. It depends on your preference, needs and curiosity. Marc >>> swiego at hotmail.com 03/09/05 08:05AM >>> I am the person who posted just a week ago about having a Sony KA3ES and wanting to try out Nakamichi. Well, I managed to get ahold of a DR-1 that arrived just a couple of days ago! It has some dings but mechanically appears to be in great condition. I am just floored by how good certain recordings are with this gem. The Sony feels more precise, has Dolby S, and plays *very* smooth, however it feels extremely analytical and dry, whereas the Nakamichi is simply musical in a way. It's hard to describe. Also, the Nakamichi has the first Dolby NR system that actually works! It's the first deck which I actually leave Dolby on for... wow! I had a few questions about my little toy that I was hoping to get some feedback on. First, how does one find out when it was built? During what years were the DR1 built? I'm not sure I trust the date information on naks.com, it seems to stop around '91 or '92. My serial number is in the 18xxx range I believe, if that helps. Second question, re: playback azimuth. There's the knob, and if I twist and turn it, sound definitely changes. At a certain position the little azimuth light turns on. It seems to turn on at exactly the same setting no matter what tape I use (the 12 o'clock position). Does this light indicate 12 o'clock position? Or does it indicate optimal azimuth? And if the latter, is it unusual for tapes to always have the same optimal position. I have expensive and cheap tapes recorded on all manner of devices, and the behavior of that light is the same for them all! Third, is there a place to get a manual for the DR-1? Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser HD650s as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance headphones that need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to appreciate high output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love about the Sony (and the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, including the KA2ES, etc.) is that the KA3ES alone had a much higher output headphone amp. The DR1 sadly falls short here. The sound is just barely "right" with the headphone output knob turned all the way up. Do the other Nakamichi models have more powerful headphone outputs? Is there any information on the output (wattage in mW driving n Ohms) for the various Nakamichi decks? And lastly... any general discussion about the DR1 would be great! What's it like? How does it stack up in the Nakamichi lineup? What's its reputation, its MO on the street? I'm glad to be a part of the family :) _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? 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If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Wed Mar 9 11:51:44 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:51:44 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL and spares. Message-ID: <20050309105144.2234.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> Jeff was going to supply me with a replacement head (I didn't need it but I wanted one in case) for the RX-202. He said it wasn't the original and was from another Nak deck but would work on the RX-202 - I'm guessing it was a Sendust R/PB head from another 2-head Nak model. Anyway, B&W has the orginal, I then told him I could get the NOS RX-202 R/PB head - he admitted he HAD the NOS and that B&W would be cheaper than he would charge. The caveat was that if I got the rebuild, he would fit the NOS heads he has. Or he did the rebuild and I got the heads from B&W. So, he has spares, more than just rollers and belts - and is VERY selective about what he sells! It's bullshit that he doesn't know what he has, of course he does. No doubt he has what you need Kermit, just doesn't want to sell them. REBUILD OR GO AWAY! Nice eh? Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 9 22:48:04 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:48:04 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit - ESL spares Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D935@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> About ESL... Didn't you tell them that your Nak had very sentimental value to you...that you used it to record your dogs funeral, and that money was no object. Then I bet they would have found the part... I love it! :) I think you are spot on Ken. Tom From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 9 22:50:24 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:50:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Questions Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D936@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Basically the flipping mechanism should flip smoothly and not "overshoot" the proper cassette allignment to head block position. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BADANTH at aol.com [mailto:BADANTH at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 March 2005 11:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 Questions Thanks, I'm familiar with the idler wheel having a CR7 and BX-2 and will try your test. 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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:02:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Grundig with a"little green eye" Message-ID: <11805-422FC6C6-1153@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> PAUL MACCARTNEY from BEATLES ANTHOLOGY1-..."Sometimes i'd borrow a tape recorder, a *GRUNDIG with a little green eye*..and we'd sorta go around to my house and try and record a little...I was thinking of doing "Hallelujah I love her so",cause I had the Eddie Cochran record ..These are very much home demo records-very bad quality,but i think a couple of them still exist"- ...Anyone know what 'GRUNDIG" PAul used? thank you very much, gerald From jvbrhg at seanet.com Wed Mar 9 15:39:53 2005 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:39:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa References: <422DB68E.2000302@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <002701c524b5$dba2fea0$471d0cd0@r7g1f8> That would be cool. I'd like it. Randall in Seattle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa > Greetings Nakophiles everywhere, > We, the Atlanta, GA group of Nak lovers would like to offer to all > members of this list a complete CD of music from our collections and > made via our Naks, a la the 2004 San Francisco submission. This will > be a "type 1" submission, that is, a non-profit sharing of music we have, > as opposed to a "type 2" wherein the performances are recorded live with > permission from the artists (We as a group are not yet up to speed yet > for the > live recordings, but are making progress in that direction (thanks Kermit). > Kermit Gray, as many of you know from earlier posts on this next Marathon > effort, has agreed most generously to create the Cd from the master tape > we will supply. I have suggested a $10 donation > per Cd to Kermit (not the Atlanta group), not that that in any way > covers his cost and > expertise, but as an honorarium to acknowledge his fine work and great > expertise, > and cover at least the cost of the cd and postage, etc. > Please respond to this post if you have an interest in receiving this > music to give > us an idea of the demand for it. We will make it an interesting bit of > music, and it will > be available soon. > Atlanta Mike > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 16:12:13 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:12:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike In-Reply-To: <422DC96C.1030203@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050309151213.98652.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, then maybe we can have a variation on the logo by inserting the word cassette on the side which would mean we arent using their logo exactly. Sure would be cool having my coffee on a Nak mug while listening to my 700. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Raleigh is a classic. More modern ones would be > > Cannondale, Iron Horse I guess. Speaking of Nak > > things, why isnt Naktalk making things like mugs > or > > t-shirts and having part of the proceeds going to > > Naks.com? > > > > Probably because of trademark restrictions on use of > the Nakamichi "N" > logo. > > My best guess. > > > Bala > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > >>What model of bike would have been more suitable > to > >>carry the weight of the > >>Nakamichi brand? > >> > >>Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > >>Of Donald Sangster > >> Sent: 06 March 2005 19:20 > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike > >> > >> > >> Hello Fred > >> > >> As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised > that > >>Nak put their name on > >>such a piece of department store junk - I would > have > >>at least expected it on > >>a light weight racing frame with high quality > >>running gear. That bike would > >>have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it > was > >>first built. > >> > >> Donald > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Fred Lifton > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike > >> > >> > >> Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have > technical > >>expertise! As a > >>Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager > who > >>lives in Portland, OR I > >>was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be > >>able to say: "I'm taking > >>the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that > >>bike is junk. The only > >>thing it has in common with our lovely decks is > that > >>it will be impossible > >>to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of > >>business over a decade ago). > >> > >> That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be > >>happy to pick it up and > >>ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the > >>wall by your Dragon. I > >>sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't > >>notice any mounting > >>brackets for a Nak mobile deck... > >> > >> cheers, > >> Fred > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, > >>naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > >> > >> > >> > >> I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's > still > >>up for sale on ebay: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>3&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> > >> > >> Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in > >>Portland, OR, since he won't > >>ship > >> it (even though it's never been assembled, > and > >>still has the box). > >>That > >> must be what's holding the price down > >>(currently $77). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > >>mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for === message truncated === __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Mar 9 16:40:13 2005 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:40:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <422DB68E.2000302@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <002c01c524be$4944a9b0$1f01000a@c994264b> Bravo to the Atlanta group for the initiative. There's been talk about another Bay Area Nak Fest, but more informal, so of like an annual get together. The challenge of Nak get-togethers is usually logistics and timing. We are a much smaller niche than say Audio Asylum or Head-Fi chapter, but the effort is usually well-received and quite gratifying meeting local Nakkers. I wish you success. As far as musical content, a recording from a lessor known jazz great from the 50's is my suggestion. Perhaps, like a Charles Mingus, Sonny Stitts, Wynton Kelly, Gene Ammon, Jackie McLean recording? Maybe? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa Greetings Nakophiles everywhere, We, the Atlanta, GA group of Nak lovers would like to offer to all members of this list a complete CD of music from our collections and made via our Naks, a la the 2004 San Francisco submission. This will be a "type 1" submission, that is, a non-profit sharing of music we have, as opposed to a "type 2" wherein the performances are recorded live with permission from the artists (We as a group are not yet up to speed yet for the live recordings, but are making progress in that direction (thanks Kermit). Kermit Gray, as many of you know from earlier posts on this next Marathon effort, has agreed most generously to create the Cd from the master tape we will supply. I have suggested a $10 donation per Cd to Kermit (not the Atlanta group), not that that in any way covers his cost and expertise, but as an honorarium to acknowledge his fine work and great expertise, and cover at least the cost of the cd and postage, etc. Please respond to this post if you have an interest in receiving this music to give us an idea of the demand for it. We will make it an interesting bit of music, and it will be available soon. Atlanta Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Mar 9 16:53:15 2005 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:53:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c524c0$1b012db0$1f01000a@c994264b> Ahh, another convert. I graduated from a Sony KE-500s to a DR-1. Then it was mangled by hands of tiny juveniles that calls me "uncle" and "dad", so went the search for a CR-7a. Then a purchase of a DR-10, a 682, a ZX-7, a CR-4a, then a Dragon. Gads, the infection spreads. Before you know it, you'll have 20 decks like Robert Kent ;) .. Enjoy the journey; it's quite fun. As far a headphones, I would suggest an outboard head amp. Haunt the HeadFi.org site for really threads on the home brewed pieces out there that are quite phenomenal. I used to have a Headroom Max, and having an external amp is great. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ess Wiego Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! I am the person who posted just a week ago about having a Sony KA3ES and wanting to try out Nakamichi. Well, I managed to get ahold of a DR-1 that arrived just a couple of days ago! It has some dings but mechanically appears to be in great condition. I am just floored by how good certain recordings are with this gem. The Sony feels more precise, has Dolby S, and plays *very* smooth, however it feels extremely analytical and dry, whereas the Nakamichi is simply musical in a way. It's hard to describe. Also, the Nakamichi has the first Dolby NR system that actually works! It's the first deck which I actually leave Dolby on for... wow! I had a few questions about my little toy that I was hoping to get some feedback on. First, how does one find out when it was built? During what years were the DR1 built? I'm not sure I trust the date information on naks.com, it seems to stop around '91 or '92. My serial number is in the 18xxx range I believe, if that helps. Second question, re: playback azimuth. There's the knob, and if I twist and turn it, sound definitely changes. At a certain position the little azimuth light turns on. It seems to turn on at exactly the same setting no matter what tape I use (the 12 o'clock position). Does this light indicate 12 o'clock position? Or does it indicate optimal azimuth? And if the latter, is it unusual for tapes to always have the same optimal position. I have expensive and cheap tapes recorded on all manner of devices, and the behavior of that light is the same for them all! Third, is there a place to get a manual for the DR-1? Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser HD650s as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance headphones that need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to appreciate high output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love about the Sony (and the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, including the KA2ES, etc.) is that the KA3ES alone had a much higher output headphone amp. The DR1 sadly falls short here. The sound is just barely "right" with the headphone output knob turned all the way up. Do the other Nakamichi models have more powerful headphone outputs? Is there any information on the output (wattage in mW driving n Ohms) for the various Nakamichi decks? And lastly... any general discussion about the DR1 would be great! What's it like? How does it stack up in the Nakamichi lineup? What's its reputation, its MO on the street? I'm glad to be a part of the family :) _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Mar 9 16:57:45 2005 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! Message-ID: Hello, "Ess Wiego" wrote: > Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser > HD650s as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance > headphones that need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to > appreciate high output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love > about the Sony (and the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, > including the KA2ES, etc.) is that the KA3ES alone had a much higher > output headphone amp. The DR1 sadly falls short here. The sound is just > barely "right" with the headphone output knob turned all the way up. > Do the other Nakamichi models have more powerful headphone outputs? Is > there any information on the output (wattage in mW driving n Ohms) for > the various Nakamichi decks? I think you may want to consider exactly what you want to accomplish... The small and cheap amplifier that powers a recording deck's headphone output is meant for monitoring the recording process rather than critical listening. I doubt that any of the Nak decks have much higher amplifier output from the headphone jack. If you're looking to just monitor recordings a little when setting them up, then maybe a less-expensive pair of low-impedance headphones is called for. I'm not wealthy at all myself, and so I hate advising people to spend money, but for critical listening, as with the Sennheiser HD-650's, you might want to consider a dedicated headphone amplifier. I know it may be less convenient than plugging directly into the tape deck, but this is all about getting the best sound... :-) They start at around $150 for the HeadRoom Airhead, and go on up the scale to high-ticket items in the thousands-of-dollars range. These amplifiers will take line-level input and give you far better sound than the headphone output on tape decks. Finally, if you're recording live sound, I'd suggest using a mix board (doesn't need to be big and fancy) with line-level output to the tape deck and a pair of headphones made specifically for monitoring a mix board; I prefer sealed headphones like the Sennheiser HD280 Pro. Websites: www.headphone.com (the Headroom website, makers/sellers of many models of headphones & amps in all price ranges) www.head-fi.org (headphone enthusiasts forum site) www.raysamuelsaudio.com (makers of the Emmeline SR-71 amp, which lots of people on head-fi are raving about, though $400 is a bit expensive) Enjoy the music, Joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 9 19:49:15 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:49:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <003001c523e6$3cc52350$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: Surely its pure economics for ESL to hold on to these parts? If they hold on to most of the spare parts that are in the US, then the time will come when you will have to use this company to get your sick Naks working again. And I wonder at what price? To say that it is normal business practice to carry on like this is not on at all! ESL should act more in the manner of B & W in the UK, committed to its customers and its good name. To send your machine "over the pond" for repair may be the way to go! Just go back thru the threads on Naktalk, I cant remember anybody actually having a bad word about B & W? If more of you guys actually went down this road and ESL began to loose business, they may even get their priorities in order and put the customer first, before profit! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Reynolds [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] Sent: 08 March 2005 13:54 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] From: "Kermit V. Gray" > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > reasonable price? > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > Or am I too critical on the point? If they're so disorganized, it might explain why they charge so much to repair decks and it might be less expensive when all is considered to send it across the pond and back. I suspect that the reality is that they simply don't want to deal with the "hassles" of being a parts supplier and probably aren't as disorganized as they suggest. Of course, they could be honest about it (or maybe they are)... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://crestron.geoff-reynolds.net From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Thu Mar 10 00:47:48 2005 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:47:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL spares Message-ID: <1e8.36b228ea.2f60e524@aol.com> When you buy a Ferrari you know what you are in for. The same with old Nakamichis. It becomes costly. Why is everybody on this bullletin board always picking on somebody. For weeks its been Stephen Sank, now its ESL. Whats next? B&W? Why dont we try to find solutions instead of criticizing everybody. If you look at Revox owners you will find the same bondage without the attacks. That's my limited view. Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 10 03:29:48 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:29:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DSA 581. In-Reply-To: <422E5546.3000302@woods-and-waters.com> References: <422E5546.3000302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <422FB11C.9070600@snet.net> It sounds exactly like the control belt is slipping. It has to travel farher for record and probably couldn't close the record mode switch. Likewise, there would then possibly be a problem with other functions afterward as the cam may be stuck. Telltale sign, listen closely near the door when you press the transport button. If you hear a whirring sound that continues even though the transport is not fully engaging, then it's definitely the belt... or very hardend pinch roller axle pivot grease. Best of Luck, Ed Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Fellow Nak'ers, > > Just received my new used 581 via an ugly brown truck. Eagerly plugged > it in, powered it up, put in a cassette. Playback was perfect, rewind > and fast forward worked but creaked constantly. > > Then I switched on the 400 cps oscillator, pressed RECord and PLAY > together. No movement, no oscillator. > > Now, the tape mechanism won't work at all. Neither rewind nor fast > forward work. Pressing PLAY causes the heads to move up, retracting > the cassette's pads, but the tape won't move. > > So, what went wrong? > > Ah, the joys of eBay -- where dreams go to die! > > (By the by, DSA, "Dead Shortly Afterward.") > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 10 02:54:18 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:54:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DSA 581. In-Reply-To: <422FB11C.9070600@snet.net> References: <422E5546.3000302@woods-and-waters.com> <422FB11C.9070600@snet.net> Message-ID: <422FA8CA.5000607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ed, OK, I feel better now. Replacing a belt and lube'ing a shaft doesn't worry me. I had had this ominous feeling someone would say, "the EPROM or CPU is fried. Reverse engineer it and then hire a custom IC foundry to make you a new one for a measly $10,000,000.35" A belt would explain the creaking noises as well. Either that, or the 581 has arthritis. Thanks! (Nevertheless, I still say that eBay is the place where dreams go to die.) Edward Noyes wrote: > It sounds exactly like the control belt is slipping. It has to travel > farher for record and probably couldn't close the record mode switch. > Likewise, there would then possibly be a problem with other functions > afterward as the cam may be stuck. Telltale sign, listen closely near > the door when you press the transport button. If you hear a whirring > sound that continues even though the transport is not fully engaging, > then it's definitely the belt... or very hardend pinch roller axle pivot > grease. > > Best of Luck, Ed > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Fellow Nak'ers, >> >> Just received my new used 581 via an ugly brown truck. Eagerly plugged >> it in, powered it up, put in a cassette. Playback was perfect, rewind >> and fast forward worked but creaked constantly. >> >> Then I switched on the 400 cps oscillator, pressed RECord and PLAY >> together. No movement, no oscillator. >> >> Now, the tape mechanism won't work at all. Neither rewind nor fast >> forward work. Pressing PLAY causes the heads to move up, retracting >> the cassette's pads, but the tape won't move. >> >> So, what went wrong? >> >> Ah, the joys of eBay -- where dreams go to die! >> >> (By the by, DSA, "Dead Shortly Afterward.") >> > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 10 03:01:55 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:01:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <004201c52440$146509c0$6501a8c0@dell> References: <004201c52440$146509c0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <422FAA93.3030806@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Keith, Oh, 'eck. You know what my fantasy is? No, not her. It's to work a deal with Nakamichi and begin manufacturing (under my own label) the 550, 600, 600-II, 610, 620, 630, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, Dragon (deck) and the Dragon turntable. I think they'd still sell, even in today's market. Ah well, looks like I have to keep buying up dead (or almost dead) 600s, 600-IIs and 550s to keep mine running. (I have both a 600 and 600-II. Yes, I'm greedy.) Let me know what ESL tells you. They'll reply after Jeff gets back from safari hunting wild parts. N-Joy! Keith Dawson wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Sorry to say, but I had checked B & W's website just to see if I had > any alternative's before I sent my 600 in to ESL. Here's what they say - > > > We are generally unable to carry out service on the following models due > to the unavailability of spare parts: > > * 250/350/500/550 > * 410/420/430/530/610/620/630/730 > * 580 before serial number 10101 > * 600/600 II > * 700/700 II/700ZXL/700ZXE > * 1000/1000 II/1000ZXL > > It is, however, worth checking with us, because we still have some belts > and other parts for these models. > > You and many of the other posters on this forum seem to have skills > which would allow you to do your own repairs if you knew what you needed > and could obtain the parts. Maybe B & W could be of some help that way, > but it looks like they wouldn't take your 600 II (or my 600 either for > that matter) in for service in their shop. > > I haven't heard back from ESL as far as a diagnosis or cost to do > the overhaul, but I'd be glad to share that info with you once I get it. > > Keith Dawson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 10 03:18:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:18:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit - ESL spares In-Reply-To: <422DB1BE.1020901@sbcglobal.net> References: <422DB1BE.1020901@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <422FAE8B.5050704@woods-and-waters.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Kermit scribbled: > > "So, I soldered the Dolby board into the socket. Works fine now. Yes, I > know I voided the warranty. Wait. The warranty may have run out by now." > > > > Ken states with authority: :-) > > Oh man, you screwed up. Now when Dolby D comes out you are going to have > to unsolder that board and resolder the new Dolby D board... That's OK. I'm teaching my cat, Radar, how to solder. She already knows how to eject a tape from my 600-II. Seriously. Yesterday, she decided to unthread my Revox B77-HS. Fortunately, it wasn't running at the time. Could become the best tape-op I've ever had! > About ESL... Didn't you tell them that your Nak had very sentimental > value to you...that you used it to record your dogs funeral, and that > money was no object. Then I bet they would have found the part... Oh, that is perfect! I'm delegating all my emails-to-service-shops writing to you. > I use my Naks for recording lps, and some live events. I use them > because they sound better than semi pro digital recorders and open reel > tape is on the expensive side. When I get my paws on a nice DSD > recorder, I am not going to be so concerned with ESL and their cornering > of the NAK parts market. Then, you're ready to get your paws on a Tascam DVRA-1000. Records redbook, DVD-A up to 192k/24, PLUS DSD. Yes, roll your own SACDs using a n ordinary CD-R! I just heard one for myself at a friend's studio. usually, I'm no fan of Tascam, (I loathed the 80-8 and 25-2 I once owned) BUT the Tascam DVRA-1000 sounds almost as good as a Genex 9000 DSD multitrack running outboard Meintner A/D/A converters. I should know because I've used a rig like that! I'm planning to buy my own Tascam DVRA-1000 as soon as I've finished working on my 600-II and rebuilding my echo plate. > Don't get me wrong, I love my NAKS, but only > because they sound so good. After I find a modern recording replacement, > I will archive my cassettes and retire the beasts to part time use. ESL > should be trying to accommodate every Nak owner who rings their bloody > phone. My opinion. I agree as well. Keep in mind, in balance, that excellent service techs often aren't the most professional in their deportment. They seldom see the overall picture with regard to market-savvy, cutting-edge, business issues. "Linear thinking," it's called. They're service techs, not "[Wall] Street Wise" businessmen. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 10 03:29:10 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:29:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL and spares. In-Reply-To: <20050309105144.2234.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050309105144.2234.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422FB0F6.1020702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Iain, Iain McGhee wrote: > ...No doubt he has what you need Kermit, just > doesn't want to sell them. REBUILD OR GO AWAY! Nice > eh? That's what I suspected. I'm OK with that. You have to admit, this isn't exactly the most confidence-inspiring way to handle an inquiry, though! Personally, as a businessman myself I think it was not a good way to handle the request. IF I had not already known of ESL's excellent work, they'd have lost a future customer. The reply makes ESL look amateurish, unprofessional and disorganized. NOT a good way to portray yourself! But, hey, we're interested in ESL for the quality of their repair work, not their PR savvy. I do admit, though, I was a bit surprised and disappointed in the lack of professionalism in the reply. And for a moment it did give me pause to wonder if ESL is the best alternative. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From swiego at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:49:40 2005 From: swiego at hotmail.com (Ess Wiego) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:49:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow, thank you for the welcome and the fascinating information. The DR1 sounds like a relatively new deck. I would imagine that a late model would be a nice commodity, if you are getting a relatively new deck that's still high quality with playback azimuth. So, I have to ask, from a playback perspective what do you get by stepping up to a LX5, a CR7a, ZX9 or one of the other "premier" decks? I definitely understand that these decks have far superior recording capabilities. But, for mere playback, what could one expect by moving from a DR1 to something else further up the food chain? I probably ran new deck for 10 hours yesterday, and was simply delighted. The quality and the sound are phenomenal. Even if I end up trying something else, this deck will stay in the family! Only two disappoints. One is of course that my cherished Dolby S-encoded Type IV tapes sound just awful in the DR1, no matter what Dolby I use. Too bad they never got around to supporting Dolby S, given how good B/C support is. Second, playback azimuth feels overrated. I'd be interested to know if I'm the only one who wound up feeling the same way. I tried numerous tapes recorded on all manner of equipment, and all of them sound best at the 12 o'clock position (what seems like the "middle" or default setting) for playback azimuth. Maybe I'm lucky and just happened to not have any tapes with poorly aligned heads. Or, maybe my speakers simply do not resolve the differences. I'd still be interested to know, aside from auto azimuth on the Dragon, what are the key differentiators for playback on the better Nakamichi decks. I have almost no interest in recording (I've invested pretty heavily in 24/96 and 24/192 ADC gear and am more than satisfied with the quality of recordings I get digitally), but in enjoying an enormous but aging tape collection that I would like to revisit, enjoy as I used to, and perhaps begin digitizing. >From: "Mark Hugo" >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! >Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:48:14 +0200 > >Welcome DR1 owner!! > >(Does that sound like the handbook!!) The deck was built between 1992 >and 1997 ish. > >Excellent as the Sony KA3ES is, the Nak DR1 should show it a clean pair >of heels. Although the Sony has (courtesy of the DD dual cap set-up) a >W+F of .022% and the Nak is aorund .035%, the difference is inaudible. > > >The Nakamichi has a number of designs that give it an unbeatable >advantage over the Sony. The heads are assembled (according to Nak), in >layers to preclude the entry or storage of spurious magnetisation (then >triple laminated), they are discrete in layout which allows optimum head >gaps to be designed into them; the pad-lift on the playback head lifts >the cassette's pad gently out of the way, prohibiting it from rubbing on >the back of the tape thus all but eliminating skewing and scrape flutter >and reducing wear to either head or tape to a fraction of that on other >decks; playback signal management is handled much more precisely by the >DR1 as the first amplifier stage is right at the head assembly. The >manually adjusted azimuth makes it's reading of all tapes utterly >precise, heads and capstan shafts are imbedded in an absorbent material >that diffuses resonances to render them harmless and Naks implementation >of Dolby is a revelation (as you have discovered). > >I'm sure I left things out.... Suffice to say that Nakamichi cassette >decks have a solidity of sound, that blends detail with cohesion in an >way that sets it apart from other top cassette machinery. > >Enjoy your DR-1 - it's a gem. It rates very favourably with other Nak >three head machines, although one should look at the features that >placed other machines in their range in the limelight. One think you >will possibly want in due course will be the calibration power or the >record head azimuth adjustment of other models. It depends on your >preference, needs and curiosity. > >Marc > > > > > > >>> swiego at hotmail.com 03/09/05 08:05AM >>> >I am the person who posted just a week ago about having a Sony KA3ES >and >wanting to try out Nakamichi. Well, I managed to get ahold of a DR-1 >that >arrived just a couple of days ago! It has some dings but mechanically > >appears to be in great condition. I am just floored by how good >certain >recordings are with this gem. The Sony feels more precise, has Dolby >S, and >plays *very* smooth, however it feels extremely analytical and dry, >whereas >the Nakamichi is simply musical in a way. It's hard to describe. >Also, the >Nakamichi has the first Dolby NR system that actually works! It's the >first >deck which I actually leave Dolby on for... wow! > >I had a few questions about my little toy that I was hoping to get some > >feedback on. First, how does one find out when it was built? During >what >years were the DR1 built? I'm not sure I trust the date information on > >naks.com, it seems to stop around '91 or '92. My serial number is in >the >18xxx range I believe, if that helps. > >Second question, re: playback azimuth. There's the knob, and if I >twist and >turn it, sound definitely changes. At a certain position the little >azimuth >light turns on. It seems to turn on at exactly the same setting no >matter >what tape I use (the 12 o'clock position). Does this light indicate 12 > >o'clock position? Or does it indicate optimal azimuth? And if the >latter, >is it unusual for tapes to always have the same optimal position. I >have >expensive and cheap tapes recorded on all manner of devices, and the >behavior of that light is the same for them all! > >Third, is there a place to get a manual for the DR-1? > >Fourth... my only grudge. I'm a big headphone nut. I use Sennheiser >HD650s >as my regular set of headphones; they are high impedance headphones >that >need quite a bit of juice to power. Therefore I tend to appreciate >high >output headphone jacks on audio equipment. What I love about the Sony >(and >the reason I got the KA3ES vs everything else, including the KA2ES, >etc.) is >that the KA3ES alone had a much higher output headphone amp. The DR1 >sadly >falls short here. The sound is just barely "right" with the headphone > >output knob turned all the way up. Do the other Nakamichi models have >more >powerful headphone outputs? Is there any information on the output >(wattage >in mW driving n Ohms) for the various Nakamichi decks? > >And lastly... any general discussion about the DR1 would be great! >What's >it like? How does it stack up in the Nakamichi lineup? What's its >reputation, its MO on the street? > >I'm glad to be a part of the family :) > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 05:38:42 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:38:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Grundig with a"little green eye" In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310043842.83968.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Recently I fixed a Nordmende radio to take a EM84 magic eye tube. And was I hooked! I think you can get info from reel to reel pages as I have seen several models with a green eye. As a side info, does anyone have these tubes in stock? Bala "Gerald G." wrote: PAUL MACCARTNEY from BEATLES ANTHOLOGY1-..."Sometimes i'd borrow a tape recorder, a *GRUNDIG with a little green eye*..and we'd sorta go around to my house and try and record a little...I was thinking of doing "Hallelujah I love her so",cause I had the Eddie Cochran record ..These are very much home demo records-very bad quality,but i think a couple of them still exist"- ...Anyone know what 'GRUNDIG" PAul used? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. 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I would imagine that a late > model would > be a nice commodity, if you are getting a relatively new deck > that's still > high quality with playback azimuth. So, I have to ask, from a playback > perspective what do you get by stepping up to a LX5, a CR7a, ZX9 > or one of > the other "premier" decks? > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 10 10:34:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:34:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005401c52554$5d1ba2e0$e79787d9@oemcomputer> The economics of supply and demand ... if folk in the US start to send their machines to B&W in the UK B&W's prices will go up because they'd have a finite supply of parts to satisfy increasing demand. (Either that or, like TransTec did for a while, ban foreign owned Nak's to ensure they looked after their home market properly.) If ESL prices seem high now it will only be because they find they there is sufficient demand for their services at those prices. I don't imagine that the defection of a few US owners, who happen to belong to NakTalk, will make much difference. Look at it this way. Suppose you bought a big supply of TDK MA-XG tapes - more than you probably need because you got a great offer on price - say $3 each. If a stranger comes along and is prepared to pay you $10 each are you going to turn around and say "Oh no! I couldn't possibly take so much money from you because they only cost me $3 each ..." No, if you're like 99.99% of the population you'd sell the lot and go looking for some more to buy @ $8 each to replace what you need for yourself or go back to the guy who sold them to you @ $2 to see if he's got some left!! Besides, where else is one to go to get a Nak PROPERLY serviced in the US to the very highest standard? If you've got a modern Mercedes you don't go to the local Grease Monkey just down the road because he's cheap, you take it to the experts. You could, of course, always send your beloved Nak to Stephen ... he might be cheaper than ESL and an expert but how long are you going to wait to get it back? Gra' > From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Mar 10 13:57:20 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:57:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <002701c524b5$dba2fea0$471d0cd0@r7g1f8> References: <422DB68E.2000302@bellsouth.net> <002701c524b5$dba2fea0$471d0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <42304430.2080305@cox.net> Please count me in. Fairfax Tim JVB/RHG wrote: >That would be cool. I'd like it. > >Randall in Seattle. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:28 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa > > > > >>Greetings Nakophiles everywhere, >>We, the Atlanta, GA group of Nak lovers would like to offer to all >>members of this list a complete CD of music from our collections and >>made via our Naks, a la the 2004 San Francisco submission. This will >>be a "type 1" submission, that is, a non-profit sharing of music we have, >>as opposed to a "type 2" wherein the performances are recorded live with >>permission from the artists (We as a group are not yet up to speed yet >>for the >>live recordings, but are making progress in that direction (thanks >> >> >Kermit). > > >>Kermit Gray, as many of you know from earlier posts on this next Marathon >>effort, has agreed most generously to create the Cd from the master tape >>we will supply. I have suggested a $10 donation >>per Cd to Kermit (not the Atlanta group), not that that in any way >>covers his cost and >>expertise, but as an honorarium to acknowledge his fine work and great >>expertise, >>and cover at least the cost of the cd and postage, etc. >>Please respond to this post if you have an interest in receiving this >>music to give >>us an idea of the demand for it. We will make it an interesting bit of >>music, and it will >>be available soon. >>Atlanta Mike >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 10 15:35:51 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:35:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: <42305B47.1070003@sbcglobal.net> The Great Kermit informs: "Then, you're ready to get your paws on a Tascam DVRA-1000. Records redbook, DVD-A up to 192k/24, PLUS DSD. Yes, roll your own SACDs using a n ordinary CD-R! I just heard one for myself at a friend's studio. usually, I'm no fan of Tascam, (I loathed the 80-8 and 25-2 I once owned) BUT the Tascam DVRA-1000 sounds almost as good as a Genex 9000 DSD multitrack running outboard Meintner A/D/A converters. I should know because I've used a rig like that! I'm planning to buy my own Tascam DVRA-1000 as soon" Ken ponders: Hmm... Ok I am getting interested. A couple of questions oh wise one: 1. How long can you record DSD on a cd-r? 2. Can you record DSD on DVR-R or DVD+R instead of CD-R, if so, how long? 3. How do you think the sound of this Tascam compares with say a nice Teac X2000r, or your Revox/Studer RTR or a well set up Nak like a CR7 or Dragon, RX 505 etc? I love the sound of my Sony xa9000es SACD player, especially with pure DSD recordings. But I can still hear some of that digital filtered sound on many SACDs. Although I do not find the sound of DSD objectionable, I still think pure analog on excellent gear has the edge in overall musicality. But rolling your own SACD's will eliminate a bunch of processes that might just get it there, with the convenience of remote control and cheap plastic disks. I am not looking for better sound than my Nak Dragon, just something as good, without breaking the bank. Thanks!! From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 10 15:53:04 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] attention RX 505 owners Message-ID: <42305F50.10907@sbcglobal.net> Hello Nak 505 dudes, I need the dimensions of the transport jig that is used to ship the 505. It fits to the bottom with a screw and holds the transport so it will not get out of adjustment during drop kicks off the docks at UPS. My manual shows what it looks like, but mine did not come with one. A buddy needs one too, so we are going to roll our own jigs, gold plated, engraved, the works... :-) Anyway, they must be necessary because the reverse mechanism on a RX 505 got messed up coming back from the Great Kannan. Now it has to go back to him, and we would like to use a jig this time. Thanks man!!! Ken From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 08:45:51 2005 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:45:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: Hi all I'm new to Naktalk & I own a ZX7 which is a great pc of gear.Just today, I've got a 680ZX which looks mechanically ok which runs slow that I suspect to be the capstan belt problem.This deck has auto azimuth but the motor of the azimuth doesn't spin when I play a tape (I've opened up the cover) Isn't the azimuth motor suppose to be running when a tape is playing for the so called auto alingment to function? thks for all feedback Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 10 17:24:05 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:24:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] References: Message-ID: <001001c5258d$94e24380$0e92fea9@wdrewes> Unless ESL have held themselves out as general suppliers of Nakamichi spares to the world their behaviour is quite correct and cannot be faulted.They are under no moral or legal obligation (not even market forces) to supply us poor Nak- besotten fellows with spares.I do not think they even tarnish their name in any way by not selling us spares.There is more money to be made to earn a living in repairs than in the selling of spares( in any event they need the spares for themselves) That is the business they are in! They are in the commercial business to repair decks for us poor twisted guys..I dont think they even need to change their priorities.They, as far as is known ,have never been appointed to supply Nak spares by Nakamichi. Bear in mind that B&W are/were the official appointees of Nakamichi in the UK to do just THAT---supply spares!( they effectively are /were NAKAMICHI in the UK). These are two different departure points. B&W are superb in their service and approach and a real pleasure to do business with.Their repair costs are reasonable(as well as spare supplies) .They are very speedy in whatever they do and can be recommended.The big boss is sometimes in direct contact with any request and that says something! Surely you should send your deck to the most commercially advantageous repairer to you.Spares should be obtained from wherever you can get them from! It is a marketing falsehood that a customer comes first before ALL profit.With no profit there is no customer! We Nakkers need the ESL's ,B&W's and even Stephen Sank's of our little Nakamichi world.Lets hope they can all stay in business. We must also bear in mind they we all a bit quaint in our little ways ,and THAT sometimes clouds our reactions! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Marsh" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > Surely its pure economics for ESL to hold on to these parts? If they hold > on to most of the spare parts that are in the US, then the time will come > when you will have to use this company to get your sick Naks working again. > And I wonder at what price? To say that it is normal business practice to > carry on like this is not on at all! ESL should act more in the manner of B > & W in the UK, committed to its customers and its good name. To send your > machine "over the pond" for repair may be the way to go! Just go back thru > the threads on Naktalk, I cant remember anybody actually having a bad word > about B & W? If more of you guys actually went down this road and ESL began > to loose business, they may even get their priorities in order and put the > customer first, before profit! > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Reynolds [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] > Sent: 08 March 2005 13:54 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > > reasonable price? > > > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > > Or am I too critical on the point? > > If they're so disorganized, it might explain why they charge so much to > repair decks and it might be less expensive when all is considered to send > it across the pond and back. I suspect that the reality is that they simply > don't want to deal with the "hassles" of being a parts supplier and probably > aren't as disorganized as they suggest. Of course, they could be honest > about it (or maybe they are)... > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://crestron.geoff-reynolds.net > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Mar 10 20:23:46 2005 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:23:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL and spares. References: <20050309105144.2234.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> <422FB0F6.1020702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <019101c525b0$8a634300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Kermit, I never said "REBUILD OR GO AWAY!". These are Iain's words. I never even said anything like it! Electronics Service Labs (ESL) is a "Nakamichi Authorized Service Center", not an official Nakamichi Authorized parts supplier like B&W and NAKUSA. They buy all their parts at a fraction of their selling price. Therefore, I can be selective as to what I will sell. My service customers come first!! I didn't spend thousands of dollars on Nakamichi parts to sell outright. Most of my parts were purchased from Nakamichi America when they were available for anyone to buy. I did not buy all that they had at the time. I bought these parts to use for future service. I likely have almost every part necessary to properly service any Nakamichi cassette deck and that is what we do here at Electronics Service Labs! Most of these guys are here, on NAKTALK, because it is part of their hobby, as Nakamichi was mine. But now, Nakamichi is what I do for work and I enjoy it! No one at ESL is getting rich! That's for sure!! I drive a 1989 Honda Civic and do not own a house. I have a wonderfull 15 year old daughter to support. I have a double electrical engineering degree from the University of Connecticut in radio communications and computer science. Maybe I should just get a real job? I never said that I was a good businessman! ! Kermit, please don't spoil it for everyone! Sincerely, Jeff Galin University of Connecticut BSEE / BSCS Degree Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP" Certified Electronic Technician License "Society of Broadcast Engineers" Member Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Technicians "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ______________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL and spares. Hi Iain, Iain McGhee wrote: > ...No doubt he has what you need Kermit, just > doesn't want to sell them. REBUILD OR GO AWAY! Nice > eh? That's what I suspected. I'm OK with that. You have to admit, this isn't exactly the most confidence-inspiring way to handle an inquiry, though! Personally, as a businessman myself I think it was not a good way to handle the request. IF I had not already known of ESL's excellent work, they'd have lost a future customer. The reply makes ESL look amateurish, unprofessional and disorganized. NOT a good way to portray yourself! But, hey, we're interested in ESL for the quality of their repair work, not their PR savvy. I do admit, though, I was a bit surprised and disappointed in the lack of professionalism in the reply. And for a moment it did give me pause to wonder if ESL is the best alternative. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From baynett at optonline.net Thu Mar 10 17:46:00 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:46:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <005401c52554$5d1ba2e0$e79787d9@oemcomputer> References: <005401c52554$5d1ba2e0$e79787d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <423079C8.2080907@optonline.net> ESL is outrageously expensive, the two times I've sent decks there I ended up paying just the checkout fee once and taking it back and the other time I just let them buy it to save the fee and covered my cost of buying it used - England what's the address for that / info. PS That's Steven Sank? - that's like trying to deal with Howard Hughes - Though i did buy a used machine from someone had it refurbed by him - it was nice. As for a new Mercedes I agree with one caveat - don't know where you live but I'm in NY and I've dealt with Chevy, Subaru, Buick. BMW and Mercedes dealers - IMHO there is no one worse - they are lower than used car salesmen and the lawyers in my book. Nelson wrote: >The economics of supply and demand ... if folk in the US start to send their >machines to B&W in the UK B&W's prices will go up because they'd have a >finite supply of parts to satisfy increasing demand. (Either that or, like >TransTec did for a while, ban foreign owned Nak's to ensure they looked >after their home market properly.) If ESL prices seem high now it will >only be because they find they there is sufficient demand for their services >at those prices. I don't imagine that the defection of a few US owners, who >happen to belong to NakTalk, will make much difference. > >Look at it this way. Suppose you bought a big supply of TDK MA-XG tapes - >more than you probably need because you got a great offer on price - say $3 >each. If a stranger comes along and is prepared to pay you $10 each are you >going to turn around and say "Oh no! I couldn't possibly take so much money >from you because they only cost me $3 each ..." No, if you're like 99.99% >of the population you'd sell the lot and go looking for some more to buy @ >$8 each to replace what you need for yourself or go back to the guy who sold >them to you @ $2 to see if he's got some left!! > >Besides, where else is one to go to get a Nak PROPERLY serviced in the US to >the very highest standard? If you've got a modern Mercedes you don't go to >the local Grease Monkey just down the road because he's cheap, you take it >to the experts. You could, of course, always send your beloved Nak to >Stephen ... he might be cheaper than ESL and an expert but how long are you >going to wait to get it back? > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Mar 10 18:15:08 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:15:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: <20050310171507.VTAE6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Ken, question number three goes into my head about a dozen times a day. I am disabled so my cash flow is somewhat limited. I did previously own a CR-7A and it was fantastic, I was very pleased with the performance. However, all it took was ONE tape wrap around the right pinch roller and the deck never played correctly afterwards.......and it had the gear mod!! So, I sold it on eBay which leaves me deckless at the moment. Seeing how I have limited funds, I've ofter wondered if I should get a CD recorder, a RTR or a vintage Revox B215 which I've read is very robust and you can still get parts. I loved the CR-7A, I didn't care for it being so danty when it comes to jams. > > From: Ken Kirkpatrick > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 09:35:51 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog > > The Great Kermit informs: > > "Then, you're ready to get your paws on a Tascam DVRA-1000. Records > redbook, DVD-A up to 192k/24, PLUS DSD. Yes, roll your own SACDs using a > n ordinary CD-R! I just heard one for myself at a friend's studio. > usually, I'm no fan of Tascam, (I loathed the 80-8 and 25-2 I once > owned) BUT the Tascam DVRA-1000 sounds almost as good as a Genex 9000 > DSD multitrack running outboard Meintner A/D/A converters. I should know > because I've used a rig like that! I'm planning to buy my own Tascam > DVRA-1000 as soon" > > Ken ponders: > > Hmm... Ok I am getting interested. A couple of questions oh wise one: > > 1. How long can you record DSD on a cd-r? > > 2. Can you record DSD on DVR-R or DVD+R instead of CD-R, if so, how long? > > 3. How do you think the sound of this Tascam compares with say a nice > Teac X2000r, or your Revox/Studer RTR or a well set up Nak like a CR7 or > Dragon, RX 505 etc? > > I love the sound of my Sony xa9000es SACD player, especially with pure > DSD recordings. But I can still hear some of that digital filtered sound > on many SACDs. Although I do not find the sound of DSD objectionable, I > still think pure analog on excellent gear has the edge in overall > musicality. But rolling your own SACD's will eliminate a bunch of > processes that might just get it there, with the convenience of remote > control and cheap plastic disks. I am not looking for better sound than > my Nak Dragon, just something as good, without breaking the bank. > > > Thanks!! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 18:38:15 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310173815.14022.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Poncho Sanchez and Shirley Horn are coming down! I am hoping they;d allow my Nak 680ZX to go in! But I think a great idea has been put forward. My full support for it! Bala --- Mike deVera wrote: > Bravo to the Atlanta group for the initiative. > There's been talk about > another Bay Area Nak Fest, but more informal, so of > like an annual get > together. The challenge of Nak get-togethers is > usually logistics and > timing. We are a much smaller niche than say Audio > Asylum or Head-Fi > chapter, but the effort is usually well-received and > quite gratifying > meeting local Nakkers. I wish you success. > > As far as musical content, a recording from a lessor > known jazz great > from the 50's is my suggestion. Perhaps, like a > Charles Mingus, Sonny > Stitts, Wynton Kelly, Gene Ammon, Jackie McLean > recording? Maybe? > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Michael Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:29 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa > > > > Greetings Nakophiles everywhere, > We, the Atlanta, GA group of Nak lovers would like > to offer to all > members of this list a complete CD of music from our > collections and > made via our Naks, a la the 2004 San Francisco > submission. This will be > a "type 1" submission, that is, a non-profit sharing > of music we have, > as opposed to a "type 2" wherein the performances > are recorded live with > permission from the artists (We as a group are not > yet up to speed yet > for the > live recordings, but are making progress in that > direction (thanks > Kermit). Kermit Gray, as many of you know from > earlier posts on this > next Marathon effort, has agreed most generously to > create the Cd from > the master tape we will supply. I have suggested a > $10 donation per Cd > to Kermit (not the Atlanta group), not that that in > any way > covers his cost and > expertise, but as an honorarium to acknowledge his > fine work and great > expertise, > and cover at least the cost of the cd and postage, > etc. > Please respond to this post if you have an interest > in receiving this > music to give > us an idea of the demand for it. We will make it an > interesting bit of > music, and it will > be available soon. > Atlanta Mike > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 18:56:48 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310175648.52232.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> I think you touched on an important topic here: the blanks. As much as the cassettes influence sound, cds do have a direct influence I'm sure. Too bad EMTEC arent making those ceramic plated blanks anymore. Bala --- Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > The Great Kermit informs: > > "Then, you're ready to get your paws on a Tascam > DVRA-1000. Records > redbook, DVD-A up to 192k/24, PLUS DSD. Yes, roll > your own SACDs using a > n ordinary CD-R! I just heard one for myself at a > friend's studio. > usually, I'm no fan of Tascam, (I loathed the 80-8 > and 25-2 I once > owned) BUT the Tascam DVRA-1000 sounds almost as > good as a Genex 9000 > DSD multitrack running outboard Meintner A/D/A > converters. I should know > because I've used a rig like that! I'm planning to > buy my own Tascam > DVRA-1000 as soon" > > Ken ponders: > > Hmm... Ok I am getting interested. A couple of > questions oh wise one: > > 1. How long can you record DSD on a cd-r? > > 2. Can you record DSD on DVR-R or DVD+R instead of > CD-R, if so, how long? > > 3. How do you think the sound of this Tascam > compares with say a nice > Teac X2000r, or your Revox/Studer RTR or a well set > up Nak like a CR7 or > Dragon, RX 505 etc? > > I love the sound of my Sony xa9000es SACD player, > especially with pure > DSD recordings. But I can still hear some of that > digital filtered sound > on many SACDs. Although I do not find the sound of > DSD objectionable, I > still think pure analog on excellent gear has the > edge in overall > musicality. But rolling your own SACD's will > eliminate a bunch of > processes that might just get it there, with the > convenience of remote > control and cheap plastic disks. I am not looking > for better sound than > my Nak Dragon, just something as good, without > breaking the bank. > > > Thanks!! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Mar 10 18:58:42 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:58:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <001001c5258d$94e24380$0e92fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <20050310175842.5407.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Nicely put Walter, can we all now move on!! Terry wme drewes wrote: Unless ESL have held themselves out as general suppliers of Nakamichi spares to the world their behaviour is quite correct and cannot be faulted.They are under no moral or legal obligation (not even market forces) to supply us poor Nak- besotten fellows with spares.I do not think they even tarnish their name in any way by not selling us spares.There is more money to be made to earn a living in repairs than in the selling of spares( in any event they need the spares for themselves) That is the business they are in! They are in the commercial business to repair decks for us poor twisted guys..I dont think they even need to change their priorities.They, as far as is known ,have never been appointed to supply Nak spares by Nakamichi. Bear in mind that B&W are/were the official appointees of Nakamichi in the UK to do just THAT---supply spares!( they effectively are /were NAKAMICHI in the UK). These are two different departure points. B&W are superb in their service and approach and a real pleasure to do business with.Their repair costs are reasonable(as well as spare supplies) .They are very speedy in whatever they do and can be recommended.The big boss is sometimes in direct contact with any request and that says something! Surely you should send your deck to the most commercially advantageous repairer to you.Spares should be obtained from wherever you can get them from! It is a marketing falsehood that a customer comes first before ALL profit.With no profit there is no customer! We Nakkers need the ESL's ,B&W's and even Stephen Sank's of our little Nakamichi world.Lets hope they can all stay in business. We must also bear in mind they we all a bit quaint in our little ways ,and THAT sometimes clouds our reactions! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Marsh" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > Surely its pure economics for ESL to hold on to these parts? If they hold > on to most of the spare parts that are in the US, then the time will come > when you will have to use this company to get your sick Naks working again. > And I wonder at what price? To say that it is normal business practice to > carry on like this is not on at all! ESL should act more in the manner of B > & W in the UK, committed to its customers and its good name. To send your > machine "over the pond" for repair may be the way to go! Just go back thru > the threads on Naktalk, I cant remember anybody actually having a bad word > about B & W? If more of you guys actually went down this road and ESL began > to loose business, they may even get their priorities in order and put the > customer first, before profit! > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Reynolds [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] > Sent: 08 March 2005 13:54 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > This begs a question. Jeff states, "...Because we are not a parts supply > > company and just do service, our spare parts are not well organized...." > > OK, if they're so disorganized they cannot SELL PARTS at a reasonable > > price, why am I to expect that they can undertake repairs at a > > reasonable price? > > > > I don't know about this. I think I'm now reticent to send my beloved > > 600-II off to the self-admitted disorganized ESL. I think I'll use B & W > > and live with the shipping costs across the pond and back. > > > > What do you guys think? Does this un-impress you as much as it does me? > > Or am I too critical on the point? > > If they're so disorganized, it might explain why they charge so much to > repair decks and it might be less expensive when all is considered to send > it across the pond and back. I suspect that the reality is that they simply > don't want to deal with the "hassles" of being a parts supplier and probably > aren't as disorganized as they suggest. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 20:25:15 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:25:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310192515.29303.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Lee, This is a clip from my Nak FAQ. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Different type of azimuth adjust used on Nak decks. I just want to clarify the azimuth schemes of the various decks with azimuth adjust capability. The 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX and 682ZX automatically adjust the record head azimuth to the stationary playback head during record auto calibration. On the plain 680 the record head must be manually adjusted to the playback. Scott J. --- lee wrote: > Hi all > I'm new to Naktalk & I own a ZX7 which is a great pc of gear.Just > today, I've got a 680ZX which looks mechanically ok which runs slow > that I suspect to be the capstan belt problem.This deck has auto > azimuth but the motor of the azimuth doesn't spin when I play a > tape (I've opened up the cover) Isn't the azimuth motor suppose to > be running when a tape is playing for the so called auto alingment > to function? > > thks for all feedback > > Lee> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 10 22:01:58 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:01:58 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] DSA 581. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D09469CCC@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hard to pick this one. I think that the transistors driving the reel motor have gone south q419 and q420. I'd also check to see if any of the globes on the function buttons have died too, I've looked at the schematic and noticed that the globes are in series with a major part of the logic circuit on this deck. The final thing I will suggest is if any of the mechanics have siezed at all preventing the deck to engage the required function. Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] DSA 581. Hi Fellow Nak'ers, Just received my new used 581 via an ugly brown truck. Eagerly plugged it in, powered it up, put in a cassette. Playback was perfect, rewind and fast forward worked but creaked constantly. Then I switched on the 400 cps oscillator, pressed RECord and PLAY together. No movement, no oscillator. Now, the tape mechanism won't work at all. Neither rewind nor fast forward work. Pressing PLAY causes the heads to move up, retracting the cassette's pads, but the tape won't move. So, what went wrong? Ah, the joys of eBay -- where dreams go to die! (By the by, DSA, "Dead Shortly Afterward.") -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 10 22:17:19 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:17:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D93A@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> HI Lee. I too am a proud owner of a 680ZX and if you hear the playback is slow then it is not the belt of the capstans, that would make it sound fluttery. My 680ZX was a tad too fast when I received it so I had adjust the speed by turning V407 on the speed cal PCB, it's a small pcb located at the bottom of the mechanism. The azimuth motor will only activate when you put a tape in the unit and hit the record button and flick the meter switch to CAL, then the azimuth motor begins to do its thing but only on the record head not the playback head. This unit does not adjust azimuth on the playback head. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 11 March 2005 6:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Hi all I'm new to Naktalk & I own a ZX7 which is a great pc of gear.Just today, I've got a 680ZX which looks mechanically ok which runs slow that I suspect to be the capstan belt problem.This deck has auto azimuth but the motor of the azimuth doesn't spin when I play a tape (I've opened up the cover) Isn't the azimuth motor suppose to be running when a tape is playing for the so called auto alingment to function? thks for all feedback Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 10 22:22:50 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:22:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D93C@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> If you want you can but special iron on transfer paper for inkjet printers, just put the famous Nak logo on the paper and iron it on your tee-shirt. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 2:12 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike Ok, then maybe we can have a variation on the logo by inserting the word cassette on the side which would mean we arent using their logo exactly. Sure would be cool having my coffee on a Nak mug while listening to my 700. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Raleigh is a classic. More modern ones would be > > Cannondale, Iron Horse I guess. Speaking of Nak > > things, why isnt Naktalk making things like mugs > or > > t-shirts and having part of the proceeds going to > > Naks.com? > > > > Probably because of trademark restrictions on use of > the Nakamichi "N" > logo. > > My best guess. > > > Bala > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > >>What model of bike would have been more suitable > to > >>carry the weight of the > >>Nakamichi brand? > >> > >>Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > >>Of Donald Sangster > >> Sent: 06 March 2005 19:20 > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike > >> > >> > >> Hello Fred > >> > >> As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised > that > >>Nak put their name on > >>such a piece of department store junk - I would > have > >>at least expected it on > >>a light weight racing frame with high quality > >>running gear. That bike would > >>have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it > was > >>first built. > >> > >> Donald > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Fred Lifton > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike > >> > >> > >> Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have > technical > >>expertise! As a > >>Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager > who > >>lives in Portland, OR I > >>was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be > >>able to say: "I'm taking > >>the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that > >>bike is junk. The only > >>thing it has in common with our lovely decks is > that > >>it will be impossible > >>to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of > >>business over a decade ago). > >> > >> That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be > >>happy to pick it up and > >>ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the > >>wall by your Dragon. I > >>sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't > >>notice any mounting > >>brackets for a Nak mobile deck... > >> > >> cheers, > >> Fred > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, > >>naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > >> > >> > >> > >> I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's > still > >>up for sale on ebay: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>3&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> > >> > >> Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in > >>Portland, OR, since he won't > >>ship > >> it (even though it's never been assembled, > and > >>still has the box). > >>That > >> must be what's holding the price down > >>(currently $77). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > >>mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for === message truncated === __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 10 22:26:22 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:26:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] DSA 581. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D93D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> That would be true if it was a 2 head version regarding the record mode switch, but the 581 is a 3 head unit and do not need the switch. You may be on to something here Kermit regarding the cam mode motor belt this too can be the culprit. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Edward Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 1:30 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] DSA 581. It sounds exactly like the control belt is slipping. It has to travel farher for record and probably couldn't close the record mode switch. Likewise, there would then possibly be a problem with other functions afterward as the cam may be stuck. Telltale sign, listen closely near the door when you press the transport button. If you hear a whirring sound that continues even though the transport is not fully engaging, then it's definitely the belt... or very hardend pinch roller axle pivot grease. Best of Luck, Ed Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Fellow Nak'ers, > > Just received my new used 581 via an ugly brown truck. Eagerly plugged > it in, powered it up, put in a cassette. Playback was perfect, rewind > and fast forward worked but creaked constantly. > > Then I switched on the 400 cps oscillator, pressed RECord and PLAY > together. No movement, no oscillator. > > Now, the tape mechanism won't work at all. Neither rewind nor fast > forward work. Pressing PLAY causes the heads to move up, retracting > the cassette's pads, but the tape won't move. > > So, what went wrong? > > Ah, the joys of eBay -- where dreams go to die! > > (By the by, DSA, "Dead Shortly Afterward.") > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 10 21:49:04 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:49:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESL and spares. In-Reply-To: <019101c525b0$8a634300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <003001c525b2$985f0e60$45fc4c51@oemcomputer> Jeff said "I bought these parts to use for future service. I likely have almost every part necessary to properly service any Nakamichi cassette deck and that is what we do here at Electronics Service Labs" Yep, the company IS called Electronics SERVICE Labs, not Electronic Parts Labs. These guys do what it says on the can. Gra' > From baynett at optonline.net Thu Mar 10 21:51:25 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:51:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <423079C8.2080907@optonline.net> References: <005401c52554$5d1ba2e0$e79787d9@oemcomputer> <423079C8.2080907@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4230B34D.7090203@optonline.net> But I was remiss in not adding - unlike dealerships which are about ripping you off ESL though not inexpensive is worth every penny from everything I've ever heard - the decks basically come back better than new - I'm just poor and jealous baynett wrote: > ESL is outrageously expensive, the two times I've sent decks there I > ended up paying just the checkout fee once and taking it back and the > other time I just let them buy it to save the fee and covered my cost > of buying it used - England what's the address for that / info. > > PS That's Steven Sank? - that's like trying to deal with Howard Hughes > - Though i did buy a used machine from someone had it refurbed by him > - it was nice. > > As for a new Mercedes I agree with one caveat - don't know where you > live but I'm in NY and I've dealt with Chevy, Subaru, Buick. BMW and > Mercedes dealers - IMHO there is no one worse - they are lower than > used car salesmen and the lawyers in my book. > > Nelson wrote: > >>The economics of supply and demand ... if folk in the US start to send their >>machines to B&W in the UK B&W's prices will go up because they'd have a >>finite supply of parts to satisfy increasing demand. (Either that or, like >>TransTec did for a while, ban foreign owned Nak's to ensure they looked >>after their home market properly.) If ESL prices seem high now it will >>only be because they find they there is sufficient demand for their services >>at those prices. I don't imagine that the defection of a few US owners, who >>happen to belong to NakTalk, will make much difference. >> >>Look at it this way. Suppose you bought a big supply of TDK MA-XG tapes - >>more than you probably need because you got a great offer on price - say $3 >>each. If a stranger comes along and is prepared to pay you $10 each are you >>going to turn around and say "Oh no! I couldn't possibly take so much money >>from you because they only cost me $3 each ..." No, if you're like 99.99% >>of the population you'd sell the lot and go looking for some more to buy @ >>$8 each to replace what you need for yourself or go back to the guy who sold >>them to you @ $2 to see if he's got some left!! >> >>Besides, where else is one to go to get a Nak PROPERLY serviced in the US to >>the very highest standard? If you've got a modern Mercedes you don't go to >>the local Grease Monkey just down the road because he's cheap, you take it >>to the experts. You could, of course, always send your beloved Nak to >>Stephen ... he might be cheaper than ESL and an expert but how long are you >>going to wait to get it back? >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 10 22:51:41 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:51:41 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Do B&W do head relapping? Message-ID: <20050310215141.67114.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> I wonder... Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 10 23:11:46 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:11:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL and spares. In-Reply-To: <019101c525b0$8a634300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <20050309105144.2234.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> <422FB0F6.1020702@woods-and-waters.com> <019101c525b0$8a634300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <4230C622.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jeff, My aplogies for the firestorm the created. AS I'VE SAID MANY TIMES ALREADY, I *KNOW* you do EXCELLENT work -- I've seen it and admired it. If/when I decide to have one of my decks refurbished, I'd be My message was prompted by the overall approach you took in the reply. A simple, "we don't sell parts, we need them for our repair business," would have sufficed. that's perfectly reasonable -- and expected for a company that services such old and prized equipment. But your "explanation" that "our spare parts are not well organized", lack of help, &c. was quite a surprise. I hope you can see that, for someone who must judge the diligence of a repair person from their brief message, your reply was off-putting. When someone states to me, "...our spare parts are not well organized..." then it gives me pause to wonder if the rest of their business conduct is similarly disorganized, and, further, whether my precious equipment would be treated in a professional manner or in a similarly disorganized manner. I hope you can see that this is not an unreasoanble concern to arise. Years ago, late 1970s, I was a service tech at a Nakamichi warranty station. Frankly, if I had made the same reply to a customer as that which you sent to me, I'd have been fired for being unprofessional and for reflecting negatively on the the company. jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > Kermit, please don't spoil it for everyone! I'm not. Please do not try to portray me as the "bad guy" here! If others had not found your message as unnerving as I did, there'd be no controversy. I'm a newcomer to the world of Nakamichi restoration, and had a very bad experience having a Uher restored -- from someone a user group on the Internet recommended. Thus, my motive for airing the message to this group was to both gauge reaction and try to find some consensus from others' experiences with your firm before I risked cash and precious gear. If you recall, I did ask in the original meesage whether I was being too critical, thus admitting in advance that my reaction to the message could have been erroneous! I have never have a problem admitting my mistakes or misperceptions. The general concensus among the group swings in your favor, and that satisfies me. You may be gratified to know I've already recommended you to others off-list. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 02:03:15 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:03:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311010315.6109.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> I think you should get a r2r first, and second a cassette deck. A B77 or PR99 Revox perhaps Bala rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: Ken, question number three goes into my head about a dozen times a day. I am disabled so my cash flow is somewhat limited. I did previously own a CR-7A and it was fantastic, I was very pleased with the performance. However, all it took was ONE tape wrap around the right pinch roller and the deck never played correctly afterwards.......and it had the gear mod!! So, I sold it on eBay which leaves me deckless at the moment. Seeing how I have limited funds, I've ofter wondered if I should get a CD recorder, a RTR or a vintage Revox B215 which I've read is very robust and you can still get parts. I loved the CR-7A, I didn't care for it being so danty when it comes to jams. > > From: Ken Kirkpatrick > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 09:35:51 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog > > The Great Kermit informs: > > "Then, you're ready to get your paws on a Tascam DVRA-1000. Records > redbook, DVD-A up to 192k/24, PLUS DSD. Yes, roll your own SACDs using a > n ordinary CD-R! I just heard one for myself at a friend's studio. > usually, I'm no fan of Tascam, (I loathed the 80-8 and 25-2 I once > owned) BUT the Tascam DVRA-1000 sounds almost as good as a Genex 9000 > DSD multitrack running outboard Meintner A/D/A converters. I should know > because I've used a rig like that! I'm planning to buy my own Tascam > DVRA-1000 as soon" > > Ken ponders: > > Hmm... Ok I am getting interested. A couple of questions oh wise one: > > 1. How long can you record DSD on a cd-r? > > 2. Can you record DSD on DVR-R or DVD+R instead of CD-R, if so, how long? > > 3. How do you think the sound of this Tascam compares with say a nice > Teac X2000r, or your Revox/Studer RTR or a well set up Nak like a CR7 or > Dragon, RX 505 etc? > > I love the sound of my Sony xa9000es SACD player, especially with pure > DSD recordings. But I can still hear some of that digital filtered sound > on many SACDs. Although I do not find the sound of DSD objectionable, I > still think pure analog on excellent gear has the edge in overall > musicality. But rolling your own SACD's will eliminate a bunch of > processes that might just get it there, with the convenience of remote > control and cheap plastic disks. I am not looking for better sound than > my Nak Dragon, just something as good, without breaking the bank. > > > Thanks!! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:25:15 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Lee, > >This is a clip from my Nak FAQ. >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >Different type of azimuth adjust used on Nak decks. >I just want to clarify the azimuth schemes of the various decks with >azimuth adjust capability. > >The 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX and 682ZX automatically adjust the >record head azimuth to the stationary playback head during record >auto calibration. On the plain 680 the record head must be manually >adjusted to the playback. > >Scott J. > > >--- lee wrote: > > Hi all > > I'm new to Naktalk & I own a ZX7 which is a great pc of gear.Just > > today, I've got a 680ZX which looks mechanically ok which runs slow > > that I suspect to be the capstan belt problem.This deck has auto > > azimuth but the motor of the azimuth doesn't spin when I play a > > tape (I've opened up the cover) Isn't the azimuth motor suppose to > > be running when a tape is playing for the so called auto alingment > > to function? > > > > thks for all feedback > > > > Lee> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From angelricano at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 03:14:43 2005 From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel Ricano) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:14:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL spares In-Reply-To: <1e8.36b228ea.2f60e524@aol.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 02:24:46 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:24:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <42305B47.1070003@sbcglobal.net> References: <42305B47.1070003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4230F35E.3090506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken, Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > 3. How do you think the sound of this Tascam compares with say a nice > Teac X2000r, or your Revox/Studer RTR or a well set up Nak like a CR7 or > Dragon, RX 505 etc? I'd say, in all candor, it's the equal, but not better. Quieter obviously, but for subjective quality, it's different from, but better than, your Teac X2000R, &c. Your Teac X2000R will sound a bit more "up front" and "in your face" (if that makes sense), my self-tweaked 15-ips B77-HS will sound warmer than the Tascam BUT the Tascam has a bit cleaner deep bass and better rendition of solo grand piano. Tascam vs most Naks? Very close. Naks have the edge in "musicality" while the Tascam is quieter and will beat the Naks recording solo grand piano USUALLY, but not always. The Tascam is better burning Red Book CDs than my Alesis Masterlink, which just died and is headed for the scrap heap. I've had quite a few problems with it and I'm tired of fooling around with it. the Tascam also beats the HHB and Marantz CD recorders, and is vasty superioir to ANY computer based CD-recorders. I have heard some CDs burned by the Tascam -- with care, and I emphasize CARE, it can make a CD with an analog feel to it. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 02:35:22 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:35:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <20050310171507.VTAE6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20050310171507.VTAE6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <4230F5DA.5050201@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Roland, rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > ...I've ofter wondered if I should get a CD recorder, a RTR or a vintage Revox B215... My two cents worth. I'm not enamored with the 44.1/16 format of CDs. it's possible to make an excellent CD, BUT you have to sweat bullets, and you need a high-end CD recorder. And the willingness to practice. And high end monitors to hear what you're doing properly. Not practical IF you truly value sonic quality. A good pro or semi-pro RTR (Ampex, Otari, Studer/Revox, Ferrograph, a 3M 79, Scully, Teac, Tascam, or Tandberg) will give you outstanding sound BUT tape costs and maintenance costs will eat you alive. I have a Revox B710, which is similar to the B215. Great sound, a bit troublesome to keep running. BUT it doesn't sound as good as the better Nakamichis. I really hate to see you give up on Nakamichis. You're just not going to be able to beat the sound at any sane price point. My advice: find another Nakamichi. Perhaps someone else on the group will help you pick a robust model. If not, I have a BX-2 that needs a belt -- which I'll be replacing next week. IF the belt solves the problems, then I'd be happy to sell it to you cheap to get you going again until you can score a really fab deck. I paid only about $15.00 for it and the belt will cost me another $6.00 or so. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 02:45:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:45:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <20050310175648.52232.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050310175648.52232.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4230F84B.5070702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think you touched on an important topic here: the > blanks. As much as the cassettes influence sound, cds > do have a direct influence I'm sure. Too bad EMTEC > arent making those ceramic plated blanks anymore. That's right. Blank CDs have a "worm track" that guides the laser during burning. The worm track's design is such that deviation in the accuracy of etching the worm track during the blank's manufacture introduces some jitter into the blank -- even before you record anything! that's why it is true that some blanks sound better than others -- the jitter inherent to the blank disc itself differs according to brands. Jitter, of course, leads to increased error rates during playback. When the CD player has to correct errrosrs during playback, without getting too technical, the sound quality DROPS. High jitter causes a loss of low level detail, poor imaging and the an aspect of the harshness associated with the sound of CDs. EMTEC's ceramic blanks were fabulous. These days, I've been using HHB blanks, gold-on-gold Mitsui, and Apogee's gold blanks. I just bought some of the new "diamond" CD-Rs, the ones that have the silvery look like a pressed CD, but they haven't arrived and I've not tried them yet Definitely the green dye and the blue dye aren't as good. Recording at either the 1X speed goes a long way to making great sounding CDs, regardless of brand. The 2X speed is OK too; with some burners the 2X spped is best. You have to try your specific burner, recording two copies of the same thing, one at 1X and one at 2X. Then compare the two. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 11 09:00:19 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:00:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! Message-ID: That's true Ess (what Gra' says) The main user advantage that the LX-5 (it's not really a step up) has is that it uses the original Nak mechanism which is tougher than the subsequent one used in CRs and DRs. Also it uses different model heads which (it is my theory only) have a slightly richer, warmer sound. Also the LX-5 looks refreshingly minimalist, with many controls hidden under the flap. It has a red display too-as far as I remember. Another thing too, Ess, is that the real jaw-drop with Nakamichi is their recording abilities - not just their playback. Nice as some CDs are, I prefer my CDs recorded on a Nakamichi to quality tape stock. ZX-9 is the classic, hands-on, power users Nakamichi tool, with complete manual control over calibration. As Mark Nutter would say - CR-7 consolidates these "keys to the kingdom" into one single automated step. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 03/10/05 11:34AM >>> Just bare in mind the LX5 and ZX9 do NOT have adjustable azimuth for play back. The CR7 does, like the DR1. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ess Wiego > Sent: 10 March 2005 03:50 > To: Mhugo at sunint.co.za; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! > > > Wow, thank you for the welcome and the fascinating information. The DR1 > sounds like a relatively new deck. I would imagine that a late > model would > be a nice commodity, if you are getting a relatively new deck > that's still > high quality with playback azimuth. So, I have to ask, from a playback > perspective what do you get by stepping up to a LX5, a CR7a, ZX9 > or one of > the other "premier" decks? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 10:34:09 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:34:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D93C@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <20050311093409.63010.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Yes I did that once for my Revox PR99.Making one off custom things is one thing, but I think making a small quantity has its problems. Bala Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: If you want you can but special iron on transfer paper for inkjet printers, just put the famous Nak logo on the paper and iron it on your tee-shirt. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 2:12 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike Ok, then maybe we can have a variation on the logo by inserting the word cassette on the side which would mean we arent using their logo exactly. Sure would be cool having my coffee on a Nak mug while listening to my 700. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Raleigh is a classic. More modern ones would be > > Cannondale, Iron Horse I guess. Speaking of Nak > > things, why isnt Naktalk making things like mugs > or > > t-shirts and having part of the proceeds going to > > Naks.com? > > > > Probably because of trademark restrictions on use of > the Nakamichi "N" > logo. > > My best guess. > > > Bala > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > >>What model of bike would have been more suitable > to > >>carry the weight of the > >>Nakamichi brand? > >> > >>Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > >>Of Donald Sangster > >> Sent: 06 March 2005 19:20 > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Bike > >> > >> > >> Hello Fred > >> > >> As a cyclist I agree with you. I am surprised > that > >>Nak put their name on > >>such a piece of department store junk - I would > have > >>at least expected it on > >>a light weight racing frame with high quality > >>running gear. That bike would > >>have sold for $79.99 in a discount store when it > was > >>first built. > >> > >> Donald > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Fred Lifton > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bike > >> > >> > >> Ha! Finally a topic on which I do have > technical > >>expertise! As a > >>Nakaphile and former bike shop mechanic/manager > who > >>lives in Portland, OR I > >>was tempted. I think it would be hilarious to be > >>able to say: "I'm taking > >>the Nak to the grocery store." But I'm afraid that > >>bike is junk. The only > >>thing it has in common with our lovely decks is > that > >>it will be impossible > >>to ever find parts for it (Suntour went out of > >>business over a decade ago). > >> > >> That said, if some Naktalker wants it I'd be > >>happy to pick it up and > >>ship it for them. I'd recommend you hang it on the > >>wall by your Dragon. I > >>sure as hell wouldn't ride it! Besides, I didn't > >>notice any mounting > >>brackets for a Nak mobile deck... > >> > >> cheers, > >> Fred > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:55 AM, > >>naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> Date: March 3, 2005 12:53:59 PM PST > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak promo stuff > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > >> > >> > >> > >> I was wrong about the Nak bicycle; it's > still > >>up for sale on ebay: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >>3&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW> > >> > >> Unfortunately, you have to pick it up in > >>Portland, OR, since he won't > >>ship > >> it (even though it's never been assembled, > and > >>still has the box). > >>That > >> must be what's holding the price down > >>(currently $77). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > >>mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > >>http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! 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Ken says: This all makes sense and follows what I know from subjective listening with high end pro digital recording gear vs analog. You just have to love the way digital captures the rock stable pitch stability of piano. Especially a freshly tuned grand. And the bass is of course more accurate with digital. Tape seems to plump it up a bit, but I like it myself! But the first time I listened to SACD I was listening for the highs, cymbal quality, etc. But it was the bass that immediately got my attention. I remember thinking wow, that bass is dead on, it sounds like a Mesa stack, or a plucked bass, etc. I still have never heard better bass than what SACD offers. But tape is fun! Anyway, thanks for the follow up. This is an area worth watching. Amazing after all these years we are comparing the latest and greatest digital gear to a 20 year old Nak, and the Nak still holds its own. Amazing! Just think where they could be today if "perfect sound forever" had to spoiled the party... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 04:38:23 2005 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:38:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: Thks. guys & gals for the f/back. So the 680ZX only auto adjust the azimuth during recording. Thought that it would auto adjust during playback like the Dragon., well can't be too demanding for $30.When I play a couple of pre-recorded commercial tapes, the left channel output is much lower than the right as evidenced by the led display also. Guess have to fiddle with this deck for some time thru trial & error as there's no competent techs foe Nak. over here in Malaysia. The current Nak. distributor would only service the new range of Nak products & not tape decks... Thks. again lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 14:06:06 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (kkenkirk) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:06:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: <423197BE.8050802@sbcglobal.net> Roland ponders: "Seeing how I have limited funds, I've ofter wondered if I should get a CD recorder, a RTR or a vintage Revox B215 which I've read is very robust and you can still get parts." Ken says: I just read what Kermit has to say to you, and I agree. I just don't think you will enjoy, over time, the sound of a cd or dat recorder. The dat can be had for a pretty good price these days, but the cost of dat tape is on the rise. I think they sound better than most cd recorders, but it is still 16 44 or 48. The Naks walk all over these machines when it comes to making music. I have a nice Teac X2000r, which makes spectacular recordings,especially from a live mic feed. But as Kermit says, tape is expensive and they break down too. I just spent hours last weekend hunting down a blown resister in the power supply to the capstan motor. The problem indicated a bad logic board, which is the kiss of death. I figured I had nothing to loose so I spent a day going through the deck with a schematic. With some help from a tech from the reel to reel group, we found the 50 cent culprit. All is perfect again, but it was a close call. Now on the Nakamichi front, I have a Dragon, RX 505, and my old and trusty LX 2 from my dental school days. The dragon at the moment is eating tape. It is going off to Kannan for surgery. I can't touch it. The RX 505 was bought recently on Ebay for 250.00 plus postage. It works like a champ. I really like it! The LX 2 had a problem with the logic board back in 1982. It was fixed under warranty and has worked perfectly till this day. I only wish it was an LX 5. So if I was to look for a Nakamichi on a limited budget, I would look for a nice LX 5. I just love its looks, and my LX 2 is such a nice beast. I am sure others will have different recommendations for a used Nak, but I would get another one. The other options are just not practical if you love the sound of great analog. Good luck!! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 From enoyes at snet.net Fri Mar 11 15:12:05 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:12:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi Parts Quote Request] In-Reply-To: <4230B34D.7090203@optonline.net> References: <005401c52554$5d1ba2e0$e79787d9@oemcomputer> <423079C8.2080907@optonline.net> <4230B34D.7090203@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4231A735.30701@snet.net> Bottom line is you get what you pay for and ESL is no exception. If you were to get an itemized price on very specific tasks you would find that their prices are exactly in line. It's just that as the number of rebuild tasks increases, well, so does the price. They are great people who are very free with their knowledge. Ed baynett wrote: > But I was remiss in not adding - unlike dealerships which are about > ripping you off ESL though not inexpensive is worth every penny from > everything I've ever heard - the decks basically come back better than > new - I'm just poor and jealous > > baynett wrote: > >> ESL is outrageously expensive, the two times I've sent decks there I >> ended up paying just the checkout fee once and taking it back and the >> other time I just let them buy it to save the fee and covered my cost >> of buying it used - England what's the address for that / info. >> >> PS That's Steven Sank? - that's like trying to deal with Howard >> Hughes - Though i did buy a used machine from someone had it refurbed >> by him - it was nice. >> >> As for a new Mercedes I agree with one caveat - don't know where you >> live but I'm in NY and I've dealt with Chevy, Subaru, Buick. BMW and >> Mercedes dealers - IMHO there is no one worse - they are lower than >> used car salesmen and the lawyers in my book. >> >> Nelson wrote: >> >>>The economics of supply and demand ... if folk in the US start to send their >>>machines to B&W in the UK B&W's prices will go up because they'd have a >>>finite supply of parts to satisfy increasing demand. (Either that or, like >>>TransTec did for a while, ban foreign owned Nak's to ensure they looked >>>after their home market properly.) If ESL prices seem high now it will >>>only be because they find they there is sufficient demand for their services >>>at those prices. I don't imagine that the defection of a few US owners, who >>>happen to belong to NakTalk, will make much difference. >>> >>>Look at it this way. Suppose you bought a big supply of TDK MA-XG tapes - >>>more than you probably need because you got a great offer on price - say $3 >>>each. If a stranger comes along and is prepared to pay you $10 each are you >>>going to turn around and say "Oh no! I couldn't possibly take so much money >>>from you because they only cost me $3 each ..." No, if you're like 99.99% >>>of the population you'd sell the lot and go looking for some more to buy @ >>>$8 each to replace what you need for yourself or go back to the guy who sold >>>them to you @ $2 to see if he's got some left!! >>> >>>Besides, where else is one to go to get a Nak PROPERLY serviced in the US to >>>the very highest standard? If you've got a modern Mercedes you don't go to >>>the local Grease Monkey just down the road because he's cheap, you take it >>>to the experts. You could, of course, always send your beloved Nak to >>>Stephen ... he might be cheaper than ESL and an expert but how long are you >>>going to wait to get it back? >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Mar 11 15:56:47 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 9:56:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: <20050311145647.JVYY28448.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Ken, Thanks for your thoughts. A B77 MkII is what came to mind! > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 08:03:15 EST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog > > I think you should get a r2r first, and second a cassette deck. A B77 or PR99 Revox perhaps > > Bala > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > Ken, question number three goes into my head about a dozen times a day. > > I am disabled so my cash flow is somewhat limited. I did previously own a CR-7A and it was fantastic, I was very pleased with the performance. However, all it took was ONE tape wrap around the right pinch roller and the deck never played correctly afterwards.......and it had the gear mod!! > > So, I sold it on eBay which leaves me deckless at the moment. > > Seeing how I have limited funds, I've ofter wondered if I should get a CD recorder, a RTR or a vintage Revox B215 which I've read is very robust and you can still get parts. > > I loved the CR-7A, I didn't care for it being so danty when it comes to jams. > > > > > > From: Ken Kirkpatrick > > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 09:35:51 EST > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog > > > > The Great Kermit informs: > > > > "Then, you're ready to get your paws on a Tascam DVRA-1000. Records > > redbook, DVD-A up to 192k/24, PLUS DSD. Yes, roll your own SACDs using a > > n ordinary CD-R! I just heard one for myself at a friend's studio. > > usually, I'm no fan of Tascam, (I loathed the 80-8 and 25-2 I once > > owned) BUT the Tascam DVRA-1000 sounds almost as good as a Genex 9000 > > DSD multitrack running outboard Meintner A/D/A converters. I should know > > because I've used a rig like that! I'm planning to buy my own Tascam > > DVRA-1000 as soon" > > > > Ken ponders: > > > > Hmm... Ok I am getting interested. A couple of questions oh wise one: > > > > 1. How long can you record DSD on a cd-r? > > > > 2. Can you record DSD on DVR-R or DVD+R instead of CD-R, if so, how long? > > > > 3. How do you think the sound of this Tascam compares with say a nice > > Teac X2000r, or your Revox/Studer RTR or a well set up Nak like a CR7 or > > Dragon, RX 505 etc? > > > > I love the sound of my Sony xa9000es SACD player, especially with pure > > DSD recordings. But I can still hear some of that digital filtered sound > > on many SACDs. Although I do not find the sound of DSD objectionable, I > > still think pure analog on excellent gear has the edge in overall > > musicality. But rolling your own SACD's will eliminate a bunch of > > processes that might just get it there, with the convenience of remote > > control and cheap plastic disks. I am not looking for better sound than > > my Nak Dragon, just something as good, without breaking the bank. > > > > > > Thanks!! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > Roland -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Fri Mar 11 19:40:49 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:40:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: <200503110819.j2B8J1O2023173@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503110819.j2B8J1O2023173@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Since we've been bemoaning the difficulty of finding parts for Naks, and the sound of reel to reels, I've been working on getting my X-1000R up and running again. Unfortunately, there are two switches that are broken (they switch when pressed, but don't latch in the inward position). They control the tape speed (3-3/4 or 7-1/2) and reel size, and they're both push-on/push off 4PDT switches. Teac doesn't have the part any more, either the individual switches, or the circuit assembly). I've been able to wire around it, and set the deck for 7" reels and 3-3/4, which handles most of my tapes, but it's a pain to switch it back to 7-1/2. Long story short, can anyone point me to a good electronic parts web site that lets you browse for parts? From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Mar 12 02:51:53 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:51:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect Message-ID: <28152-42324B39-2934@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Hi boys,actually just trying to keep busy and submiting a question more suitable for a computer chat,however here goes;I was in OFFICE MAX store today and i saw many "high grade" gold plated computer interconnect cables,quite pricey, promising exponentially faster transmission speeds and much more secure connection capabilities.Are these something to really be concerned about beyond the standard grade computer cables?THANKS( a computer novice). thank you very much, gerald From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 19:13:50 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:13:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Water on the ESL firestorm Message-ID: <4231DFDE.6090502@woods-and-waters.com> Dear Fellow Nak'ers, My apologies to the entire group for the firestorm the prvious messages regarding ESL created. I had no intention of starting a conflagration. Observing the various reactions, though, has been quite educational for me. Plenty of pondering going on at my end. I'd like to point out that Jeff replied to my initial inquiry promptly. Jeff is to be congratulated for that. Neither Uher or for Nakamichi's USA headquarters ever replied to similar inquiries. Without a doubt, ESL does EXCELLENT work -- I've seen it and admired it. Criticism, without a doubt, is the single best market research tool for a business. Over the years, I've achieved some of my "greatest" business successes after analyzing, then responding, to criticisms. I'm confident Jeff will take the criticism that both I and others on this group have recently expressed and use it to fine tune his business, providing even better service to the Nakamichi community. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 19:20:02 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:20:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: References: <200503110819.j2B8J1O2023173@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4231E152.5080505@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John, John Berger wrote: > Since we've been bemoaning the difficulty of finding parts for Naks, and > the sound of reel to reels, I've been working on getting my X-1000R up and > running again... > ...Long story short, can anyone point me to a good electronic parts web site > that lets you browse for parts? I'd try the usual suspects: http://www.alliedelec.com -- great selection of switches, especially pushbutton and older styles. http://www.mouser.com -- huge selection but more modern types. http://www.digikey.com -- more oriented to modern IC and computer-based electronics, but a vast selection of swtiches. You may also want to browse http://www.switchcraft.com to see if they manufacture a pushbutton switch that would work, then locate a reseller. Other possible brands of switches that MAY have a compatible part are Cherry, ALPS, and Mountain Switch. Best of luck to you on the project. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 19:37:40 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:37:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <20050311145647.JVYY28448.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20050311145647.JVYY28448.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <4231E574.6000609@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Roland, rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > Ken, > > Thanks for your thoughts. A B77 MkII is what came to mind! One of my reel-to-reels is indeed a B77 MkII. I love it, and it has been reliable. Tape costs, though, are high, and the half-track 15-ips machine, like mine, has an enormous advantage sonically over the quarter-track, 7.5 ips models. This may surprise you, but when I got my Nakamichi 600-II I also had a Revox A77 MkI that was the half-track, 3-3/4 & 7.5 ips model with the suitcase that had the built-in speakers; an Akai M-8, and a Pioneer RT-1011L. The Nak 600-II sounded better than BOTH, especially the Pioneer. Seriously. It was quieter, the treble was clearer and it had a "sound" that was involving and exciting. The Akai, with its -40 dB S/N Ratio, didn't sound good at all. The Pioneer was audibly inferior to the Nak, and the A77, although excellent, just wasn't as fun to listen to. The B77 was Revox's update of the A77. In 1977, you could buy either an A77 MkIV ($1,495.00) or a B77 MkI ($1,595.00). A RTR is popular in pro circles for three main reasons: the interia of customary practice (RTR has been in use in the USA since 1946), editing capability (ever try to splice a cassette?), and sound quality (especially headroom, reduced tape dropouts and frequency respnse afforded by higher speeds). Advances in cassette tape oxide formulations went a long way to erasing RTRs advantages because the newer design greatly reduced tape dropouts at the 1-7/8 ips speed to a magnitude comparable to a 30-ips RTR! One of the reasons for my passion for Nakamichi's cassette decks was that they closed the gap with RTRs so closely that you needed to use a very-high-end RTR, like Scully, Ampex ATR-100, MCI JH-16, Studer A80, 3M 79 or Telefunken M3 to get BETTER sound than the Naks gave! That's why I bought custom-built Scully 280 and 280B 30-ips RTRs in 1980. They were the only RTRs I could find that significally beat the sound of my Nak 600-II. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Fri Mar 11 20:55:12 2005 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:55:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams Message-ID: <193.3b67af01.2f6351a0@aol.com> Try Mouser electronics for switches Regards, Jean-Pierre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 11 20:02:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:02:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <42316DBA.5040408@sbcglobal.net> References: <42316DBA.5040408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4231EB5B.1040203@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken, kkenkirk inscribed a pearl of wisdom thusly: > Ken says: >...Amazing after all these years > we are comparing the latest and greatest digital gear to a 20 year old > Nak, and the Nak still holds its own. Amazing! Just think where they > could be today if "perfect sound forever" had to spoiled the party... This brings up an ongoing area of frustration for me. In the everyday course of my audio activities, I still routinely use a Nak cassette deck. Whenever I try to show them to either one of my students or apprentices I can see their eyes glaze over, their brain goes into neutral and they tune me out. Nakamichi was so far ahead of their time, and of the other brands, that it's hard to free a young person's mind up so that they can get past their "It's just a CASSETTE recorder..." mindset. Ironic that a generation who reveres iPods, MP3s (the digital equivalent of AM Radio -- medium wave to those across The Pond) regards, as a knee-jerk reaction, cassettes as an inferior medium. Hey, even a mediocre cassette deck like my (now dead) Pioneer CT-F7171 beats the sound of an iPod hands down. All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod holds "thousands of songs" and is small and convenient, while my Nakamichi 550 is bulky, heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds ony a dozen songs or so. [I'm feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other side this time.] Doesn't sound matter anymore? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Sat Mar 12 02:59:50 2005 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:59:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect Message-ID: With audio cables people claim they can hear the difference! Now with computer cables can you hear it or see it? I am also confused regards, Jean-Pierre Los Angeles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 04:25:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:25:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050312032558.60082.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi John, I have two of the X1000Rs and one of them has their speed selector switch broken also. I have not come across this switch but I'm on the lookout for a parts deck. The most sensitive switch is the lighted DBX switch which can actually be 'corroded' by certain types of switch cleaning spray. So be very careful. Meanwhile, if you can tolerate, insert a small piece of paper to hold the switch down or jumper the switch within at which speeds you predominantly leave it. A supeb deck, really Bala John Berger wrote: Since we've been bemoaning the difficulty of finding parts for Naks, and the sound of reel to reels, I've been working on getting my X-1000R up and running again. Unfortunately, there are two switches that are broken (they switch when pressed, but don't latch in the inward position). They control the tape speed (3-3/4 or 7-1/2) and reel size, and they're both push-on/push off 4PDT switches. Teac doesn't have the part any more, either the individual switches, or the circuit assembly). I've been able to wire around it, and set the deck for 7" reels and 3-3/4, which handles most of my tapes, but it's a pain to switch it back to 7-1/2. Long story short, can anyone point me to a good electronic parts web site that lets you browse for parts? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baynett at optonline.net Sat Mar 12 04:25:56 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:25:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect In-Reply-To: <28152-42324B39-2934@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> References: <28152-42324B39-2934@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <42326144.6010809@optonline.net> not even theoretically definitely not exponentially - gold contacts far as I know are better because of less oxidation but transfer of electrons through metals is just that Gerald G. wrote: >Hi boys,actually just trying to keep busy and submiting a question more >suitable for a computer chat,however here goes;I was in OFFICE MAX >store today and i saw many "high grade" gold plated computer >interconnect cables,quite pricey, promising exponentially faster >transmission speeds and much more secure connection capabilities.Are >these something to really be concerned about beyond the standard grade >computer cables?THANKS( a computer novice). > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 08:13:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:13:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FW: [MicroSeiki] Interseting Vacuum Tube Headphone Amplifier - XianSheng 708A Message-ID: >Hi, > >If your like me, you will like to listen to music sometimes late at >night. Unfortunately, you will have to do so using headphones in >order not to disturb the rest of the household or any neighbours. > >I have been using either the STAX Lambda electrostatics or some good >dynamic headphones pluged into some not so good headphone outputs on >preamps. I had a quest to look for a good headphone amplifier that I >could connect up to the output of the RIAA stage and listen to my >records with a decent pair of dynamic headphones. > >I had found a Chinese made 2 valve headamp called the Bada PH-1 and >went across the border from Hong Kong to Shenzhen City to audition it >with the intent of purchasing a PH-1. However when I was in the shop >listening to the PH-1 I came across and even more obscure Chinese >made tube headphone amp called the XianSheng 708A and immediately >made A/B tests with the PH-1. The rest is all history as the 708A was >clearly streets ahead. The cost of the 708A was approx. US$125.00. >The detail, timbre, ambience and soundstage presented by this little >amp is amazing! > >It is an OTL design employing the following tubes: 6N3 + 6N11 x 2 + >6Z4. You can find details and specifications on the XianSheng website >along with detailed photos at http://www.xshn.com. > >It is highly recommended and I hope you enjoy it if you get one. I >certainly do! > >Good listening. > >Regards, > >Steve > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 12 11:11:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:11:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect In-Reply-To: <28152-42324B39-2934@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002901c526eb$e1fdbdc0$dcc64c51@oemcomputer> Hi Gerald Sounds like snake oil to me, mate. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 12 March 2005 01:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect > > > Hi boys,actually just trying to keep busy and submiting a question more > suitable for a computer chat,however here goes;I was in OFFICE MAX > store today and i saw many "high grade" gold plated computer > interconnect cables,quite pricey, promising exponentially faster > transmission speeds and much more secure connection capabilities.Are > these something to really be concerned about beyond the standard grade > computer cables?THANKS( a computer novice). > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 13 02:31:26 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:31:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D941@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Sounds like a load of rubbish. Are these interconnects for audio or data? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect Hi boys,actually just trying to keep busy and submiting a question more suitable for a computer chat,however here goes;I was in OFFICE MAX store today and i saw many "high grade" gold plated computer interconnect cables,quite pricey, promising exponentially faster transmission speeds and much more secure connection capabilities.Are these something to really be concerned about beyond the standard grade computer cables?THANKS( a computer novice). thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 13 02:53:45 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:53:45 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D942@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Lee check to see if both pinch rollers are lifting to the play position when you press play. When I received my 680zx the left pinch roller arm was siezed with old grease and did not lift in play mode which resulted in the left channel playing lower in output level. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2005 2:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Thks. guys & gals for the f/back. So the 680ZX only auto adjust the azimuth during recording. Thought that it would auto adjust during playback like the Dragon., well can't be too demanding for $30.When I play a couple of pre-recorded commercial tapes, the left channel output is much lower than the right as evidenced by the led display also. Guess have to fiddle with this deck for some time thru trial & error as there's no competent techs foe Nak. over here in Malaysia. The current Nak. distributor would only service the new range of Nak products & not tape decks... Thks. again lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 11:28:39 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:28:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect In-Reply-To: <42326144.6010809@optonline.net> References: <28152-42324B39-2934@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> <42326144.6010809@optonline.net> Message-ID: <518b7b1050312022823b93f96@mail.gmail.com> "transfer of electrons through metals is just that" Now that's the sort of response which brings back fond memories of good old Ron - I wonder whether he's fixed his email problem and will be rejoining us ? George On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:25:56 -0500, baynett wrote: > not even theoretically definitely not exponentially - gold contacts far > as I know are better because of less oxidation but transfer of electrons > through metals is just that > > Gerald G. wrote: > > >Hi boys,actually just trying to keep busy and submiting a question more > >suitable for a computer chat,however here goes;I was in OFFICE MAX > >store today and i saw many "high grade" gold plated computer > >interconnect cables,quite pricey, promising exponentially faster > >transmission speeds and much more secure connection capabilities.Are > >these something to really be concerned about beyond the standard grade > >computer cables?THANKS( a computer novice). > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 12 12:26:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:26:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <4231EB5B.1040203@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <003a01c526f6$5d4d8960$dcc64c51@oemcomputer> Kermit said: "All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod holds "thousands of songs" and is small and convenient, while my Nakamichi 550 is bulky, heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds only a dozen songs or so. [I'm feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other side this time.]" Maybe the iPOD can hold thousands of songs but are they going to listen to them all? The heck they are! I have an FM tuner with something like 12 pre-sets for radio stations. I use only four of them. My TV set can find probably 100 stations. I regularly listen to just five of them. Eventually, this "more of everything" generation will, I hope, grow up and realise it's quality they need, not quantity. Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 12 12:31:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:31:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: <20050312032558.60082.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c526f7$0107e780$dcc64c51@oemcomputer> Might I also suggest using BlueTak - this can sometimes hold things in place without causing any damage. ( I once used thin pieces of Bluetak to hold together a torn speaker cone! Sure, it wasn't as good as a perfect cone but it was a lot better sounding using the BlueTak than without it!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 12 March 2005 03:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams Hi John, I have two of the X1000Rs and one of them has their speed selector switch broken also. I have not come across this switch but I'm on the lookout for a parts deck. The most sensitive switch is the lighted DBX switch which can actually be 'corroded' by certain types of switch cleaning spray. So be very careful. Meanwhile, if you can tolerate, insert a small piece of paper to hold the switch down or jumper the switch within at which speeds you predominantly leave it. A supeb deck, really Bala John Berger wrote: Since we've been bemoaning the difficulty of finding parts for Naks, and the sound of reel to reels, I've been working on getting my X-1000R up and running again. Unfortunately, there are two switches that are broken (they switch when pressed, but don't latch in the inward position). They control the tape speed (3-3/4 or 7-1/2) and reel size, and they're both push-on/push off 4PDT switches. Teac doesn't have the part any more, either the individual switches, or the circuit assembly). I've been able to wire around it, and set the deck for 7" reels and 3-3/4, which handles most of my tapes, but it's a pain to switch it back to 7-1/2. Long story short, can anyone point me to a good electronic parts web site that lets you browse for parts? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register ! your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Mar 12 13:13:16 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:13:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Water on the ESL firestorm In-Reply-To: <4231DFDE.6090502@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I am very much afraid that naktalk is becoming more and more KermitTalk and pompous paragraphs such as "I'm confident Jeff will take the criticism that both I and others on this group have recently expressed and use it to fine tune his business, providing even better service to the Nakamichi community." only help confirm this. Sorry Kermit but I have never voted for you to be a spokesman for me. Personally I am comfortable with the way that ESL has conducted its business, it is a business and not a charity designed to help people keep old tape decks running. Perhaps Kermit would like to buy large stocks of every conceivable Nakamichi spare part, catalogue and store them for years, then sell them to members of the forum at cost price whenever they needed them. Now that would be impressive. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 11 March 2005 18:14 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Water on the ESL firestorm Dear Fellow Nak'ers, My apologies to the entire group for the firestorm the prvious messages regarding ESL created. I had no intention of starting a conflagration. Observing the various reactions, though, has been quite educational for me. Plenty of pondering going on at my end. I'd like to point out that Jeff replied to my initial inquiry promptly. Jeff is to be congratulated for that. Neither Uher or for Nakamichi's USA headquarters ever replied to similar inquiries. Without a doubt, ESL does EXCELLENT work -- I've seen it and admired it. Criticism, without a doubt, is the single best market research tool for a business. Over the years, I've achieved some of my "greatest" business successes after analyzing, then responding, to criticisms. I'm confident Jeff will take the criticism that both I and others on this group have recently expressed and use it to fine tune his business, providing even better service to the Nakamichi community. N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Mar 12 14:31:05 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:31:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: References: <200503110819.j2B8J1O2023173@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4232EF19.9020706@snet.net> I know that this is a grossly inelegant solution, but consider making a shim out of cardboard or a couple of toothpicks that you can wedge between the switch and the front plate to hold the switch in the "in" position. Ed John Berger wrote: >Since we've been bemoaning the difficulty of finding parts for Naks, and >the sound of reel to reels, I've been working on getting my X-1000R up and >running again. > >Unfortunately, there are two switches that are broken (they switch when >pressed, but don't latch in the inward position). They control the tape >speed (3-3/4 or 7-1/2) and reel size, and they're both push-on/push off >4PDT switches. > >Teac doesn't have the part any more, either the individual switches, or >the circuit assembly). I've been able to wire around it, and set the deck >for 7" reels and 3-3/4, which handles most of my tapes, but it's a pain to >switch it back to 7-1/2. > >Long story short, can anyone point me to a good electronic parts web site >that lets you browse for parts? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 12 14:50:33 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (kkenkirk) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:50:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: <4232F3A9.60003@sbcglobal.net> Kermit wonders out loud: "All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod holds "thousands of songs" and is small and convenient, while my Nakamichi 550 is bulky, heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds ony a dozen songs or so. [I'm feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other side this time.] Doesn't sound matter anymore?" Ken wonders too: I don't think sound matters to most of them. Have you listened to their music? But there are a few. Probably the same percentage in their generation as ours. The problem is that it was much easier for us to hear great sound when we were young. All we had to do was hit a hi fi shop with McIntosh and Klipsch, spin some vinyl of our favorite band, and we heard magic. Today, unless the kid wonders into a very out of the way high end store, he will never hear analog done right. He might get a chance to hear good solid state and a nice cd player. It will be the best he has ever heard, but will he get goosebumps. I doubt it... I had a young kid drop me off at my house one day while they repaired my car. While talking to him in the car, he told me he once sold stereos at a big electronics firm. When we arrived I asked him if he would listen to my stereo and tell me if I had it set up right. My gear is in a large walk in closet, so I just sat him in the sweet spot, and disappeared into the closet. He was fascinated with my strange looking Sonus Faber Extrema speakers. Anyway, I put on some music he said he liked and turned it up a bit. He looked stunned and did not talk. After the song was over, he said " I have heard allot of stereos, but that is the first time I ever heard the music." I then showed him the closet with the big Cat tube amps and Basis turntable. He did not even realize he was listening to vinyl. He asked a bunch of questions, etc but I planted a seed. But yes, most don't care. How many of your friends don't care? But the difference is back in our day, if we did care, the music was trapped in the vinyl or tape ready to be harvested. Today, it is getting very hard to get music out of what they are selling, except at the used record store... So keep planting seeds, some of the young kids will someday bring music back to the masses. I just know it. Fingers crossed!! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 From swiego at hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 15:53:47 2005 From: swiego at hotmail.com (Ess Wiego) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:53:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200503121023.j2CAMm59026764@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: As a member of the digital generation, allow me to be honest and point out a hypocrisy in your post. (Please don't take it personally.) On the one hand, people here talk about how much they love Nakamichi for making cassette arguably an equal or superior format to RTR. On the other hand, the same people bemoan all manner of new digital music technologies as inferior to their vintage gear, and wax poetic about the good 'ol days when young people appreciated cassette tape. I just got my first Nakamichi, and I am blown away by it. The sound is great. But, it cost about a third as much as my iPod, is worth about a third as much as my iPod (as dictated by market forces), and while it is a Nakamichi, it's no iPod. These little digital wonders *do* hold thousands of songs, and they *do* fit in a shirt pocket, and they *do* provide 90% of the sound in a package that costs less, holds more, weighs less and doesn't need regular replacement of rubber parts. The only thing missing in the market is the "audiophile" portable digital music player. They don't exist, save for a few DAT players. Therefore the owners of $2500 cassette tape decks may be disappointed by a Creative Muvo not having dual-anything or titanium-anything or silver-plated 99.999999999% oxygen-free wiring. One day we'll finally start to see a standardized, high-res, portable format with "audiophile" playback / recording devices and those will wipe out many of the vintage formats that linger on today. We're just not there yet. I guess what I'm saying is that your younger friends are right that the new digital medium IS in many ways the superior format. We just haven't seen the pinnacle of its implementation yet, but that pinnacle is approaching and all of us (especially us young'uns) are well aware of it. I'll probably be after a Blu-ray player with far more anxiety than a Dragon. What I don't understand is why cassette tape died (no new recording or playback models or media of note in 10 years = dead) while the turntable lives on. Every day someone is releasing a five-figure turntable with claims of even yet better performance; meanwhile see see music released on LP all the time. Whereas most music stores I know of have stopped carrying cassette altogether, and as we all know there haven't been particularly good decks for a number of years now. What gives vinyl so much more lasting power? Is it the format not being magnetic? >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:02:51 -0500 >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <4231EB5B.1040203 at woods-and-waters.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Hi Ken, > >kkenkirk inscribed a pearl of wisdom thusly: > > Ken says: > >...Amazing after all these years > > we are comparing the latest and greatest digital gear to a 20 year old > > Nak, and the Nak still holds its own. Amazing! Just think where they > > could be today if "perfect sound forever" had to spoiled the party... > >This brings up an ongoing area of frustration for me. In the everyday >course of my audio activities, I still routinely use a Nak cassette >deck. Whenever I try to show them to either one of my students or >apprentices I can see their eyes glaze over, their brain goes into >neutral and they tune me out. Nakamichi was so far ahead of their time, >and of the other brands, that it's hard to free a young person's mind up >so that they can get past their "It's just a CASSETTE recorder..." >mindset. Ironic that a generation who reveres iPods, MP3s (the digital >equivalent of AM Radio -- medium wave to those across The Pond) regards, >as a knee-jerk reaction, cassettes as an inferior medium. Hey, even a >mediocre cassette deck like my (now dead) Pioneer CT-F7171 beats the >sound of an iPod hands down. > >All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod holds "thousands of >songs" and is small and convenient, while my Nakamichi 550 is bulky, >heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds ony a dozen songs or so. [I'm >feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other side this time.] > >Doesn't sound matter anymore? > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 17:58:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:58:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050312165837.32601.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, This is a fact that I've never devulged to anyone. While you are in this mood, let me assure you not all is lost. I have a modest 15 reel decks and 9 Naks plus the Technics and Excelia. When it comes to sound, iPods and mp3s dont simply cut it for me as well as brown tape. And yet, I'm just turning 26 this year. Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Ken, > > kkenkirk inscribed a pearl of wisdom thusly: > > Ken says: > >...Amazing after all these years > > we are comparing the latest and greatest digital > gear to a 20 year old > > Nak, and the Nak still holds its own. Amazing! > Just think where they > > could be today if "perfect sound forever" had to > spoiled the party... > > This brings up an ongoing area of frustration for > me. In the everyday > course of my audio activities, I still routinely use > a Nak cassette > deck. Whenever I try to show them to either one of > my students or > apprentices I can see their eyes glaze over, their > brain goes into > neutral and they tune me out. Nakamichi was so far > ahead of their time, > and of the other brands, that it's hard to free a > young person's mind up > so that they can get past their "It's just a > CASSETTE recorder..." > mindset. Ironic that a generation who reveres iPods, > MP3s (the digital > equivalent of AM Radio -- medium wave to those > across The Pond) regards, > as a knee-jerk reaction, cassettes as an inferior > medium. Hey, even a > mediocre cassette deck like my (now dead) Pioneer > CT-F7171 beats the > sound of an iPod hands down. > > All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod > holds "thousands of > songs" and is small and convenient, while my > Nakamichi 550 is bulky, > heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds ony a > dozen songs or so. [I'm > feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other > side this time.] > > Doesn't sound matter anymore? > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 18:37:55 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:37:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: Shalom Kermit! You own as you state a 600 Mk-2 same that once & only for 2 months I own and recorded 4 cassettes, use a two heads pattern...,similarly to the earlier 500...sound better that mostly RtoR decks...amazing!!!! Hava all of you a lovely & productive weekend! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:37:40 -0500 > >Hi Roland, > >rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: >>Ken, >> >>Thanks for your thoughts. A B77 MkII is what came to mind! > >One of my reel-to-reels is indeed a B77 MkII. I love it, and it has been >reliable. Tape costs, though, are high, and the half-track 15-ips machine, >like mine, has an enormous advantage sonically over the quarter-track, 7.5 >ips models. This may surprise you, but when I got my Nakamichi 600-II I >also had a Revox A77 MkI that was the half-track, 3-3/4 & 7.5 ips model >with the suitcase that had the built-in speakers; an Akai M-8, and a >Pioneer RT-1011L. > >The Nak 600-II sounded better than BOTH, especially the Pioneer. Seriously. >It was quieter, the treble was clearer and it had a "sound" that was >involving and exciting. The Akai, with its -40 dB S/N Ratio, didn't sound >good at all. The Pioneer was audibly inferior to the Nak, and the A77, >although excellent, just wasn't as fun to listen to. The B77 was Revox's >update of the A77. In 1977, you could buy either an A77 MkIV ($1,495.00) or >a B77 MkI ($1,595.00). > >A RTR is popular in pro circles for three main reasons: the interia of >customary practice (RTR has been in use in the USA since 1946), editing >capability (ever try to splice a cassette?), and sound quality (especially >headroom, reduced tape dropouts and frequency respnse afforded by higher >speeds). > >Advances in cassette tape oxide formulations went a long way to erasing >RTRs advantages because the newer design greatly reduced tape dropouts at >the 1-7/8 ips speed to a magnitude comparable to a 30-ips RTR! > >One of the reasons for my passion for Nakamichi's cassette decks was that >they closed the gap with RTRs so closely that you needed to use a >very-high-end RTR, like Scully, Ampex ATR-100, MCI JH-16, Studer A80, 3M 79 >or Telefunken M3 to get BETTER sound than the Naks gave! > >That's why I bought custom-built Scully 280 and 280B 30-ips RTRs in 1980. >They were the only RTRs I could find that significally beat the sound of my >Nak 600-II. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 21:04:17 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:04:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] computer interconnect In-Reply-To: <28152-42324B39-2934@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: There can be a difference in the quality of shielding of network computer cables (e.g. CAT 5 and CAT 7 cables) from noise interference which will improve reliability by reducing the need for error correction caused by EMI (electromagnetic interference) or other sources. So a better shielded cable can be more reliable, within limits, but should not cost substantially more. A few dollars more, perhaps. Gold-plated connectors can reduce oxidation/corrosion over years which can decrease electrical resistance(scratchy sounding connections) but will not increase the speed of conduction (a physical constant). Electrical resistance is more dependent upon length of the wire, the wire diameter and the quality of the connectors, also within limits. If a computer cable company is suggesting their cable makes electricity move faster they're lying. That said, a quality cable of moderate price which meets the specifications called for by the manufacturer of your network card or hub etc. (CAT 5 and CAT 7 are industry specifications) should be sufficient. A cable of substantially higher cost is unlikely to provide any noticeable benefit unless you are in a severe electrical noise environment or require hospital or defense grade level data integrity or a very long cable run. OfficeMax won't be selling at that quality or price level. Also, shorter cables, besides being less expensive, are less likely to cause signal loss through resistance or to increase noise. The same with audio cables. IMO those whom have bought those $50 audio cables most likely hear an improvement in the hopes that the money spent may have made a difference besides enriching the dealer. If you listen really carefully to those expensive audio cables you can almost hear the air in their wallet where the money used to be. Just buy a good, average price cable (example: Belkin or similar manufacturer) and stay away from the cheapest or no-name cables and you should be okay. Regards, Bob From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Mar 12 21:22:20 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:22:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: As usual, you get me chuckling Kermit..... Gosh, its so nice to be right. Seriously, the same people who hug i-Pods which are small and cute and hold a billion songs, albeit badly, are the same mindsets that aspire to a 2-tonne SUV with 275-24 Semperit Trackgrips that will be used almost exclusively for taking a 30kg lightie to shool via a tarred road. I mean, is there a need for it to hold so many songs...or to be so small, or the car so darn enormous? The worry is that there is this whole generation out there who have appalling hearing - was it the tartrazine? Maybe it's the MSG. Gerald, help us out!!! In the words of Eric Idle in The Meaning of Life, let's hope there's intelligent life out there, because there's bugger all down here on earth!! Have a great weekend!! Marc >>> "Kermit V. Gray" 03/11/05 09:02PM >>> Hi Ken, kkenkirk inscribed a pearl of wisdom thusly: > Ken says: >...Amazing after all these years > we are comparing the latest and greatest digital gear to a 20 year old > Nak, and the Nak still holds its own. Amazing! Just think where they > could be today if "perfect sound forever" had to spoiled the party... This brings up an ongoing area of frustration for me. In the everyday course of my audio activities, I still routinely use a Nak cassette deck. Whenever I try to show them to either one of my students or apprentices I can see their eyes glaze over, their brain goes into neutral and they tune me out. Nakamichi was so far ahead of their time, and of the other brands, that it's hard to free a young person's mind up so that they can get past their "It's just a CASSETTE recorder..." mindset. Ironic that a generation who reveres iPods, MP3s (the digital equivalent of AM Radio -- medium wave to those across The Pond) regards, as a knee-jerk reaction, cassettes as an inferior medium. Hey, even a mediocre cassette deck like my (now dead) Pioneer CT-F7171 beats the sound of an iPod hands down. All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod holds "thousands of songs" and is small and convenient, while my Nakamichi 550 is bulky, heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds ony a dozen songs or so. [I'm feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other side this time.] Doesn't sound matter anymore? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mrraven200 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 22:02:46 2005 From: mrraven200 at hotmail.com (Matthew Rogers) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:02:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: <4231EB5B.1040203@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Sound does matter. That's why I have both an ibook with 3500 mp3 songs in it and a Nak 600, classic Marantz 2225 reciever from the 70s, Dual Turntable, and Linn Tukan speakers. Honestly I listen to the mp3s a lot as background music, it is convient, but when I want to hear good sound I listen to the Nak, the turntable, or even the f.m. radio on the Marantz, all sound crisper, and have more spatial information, better bass, and clearer treble than the mp3s. BTW I'm 38 about half why in between the geezers and the podders. :) Sincerely, Matt Rogers Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog >Hi Ken, > >kkenkirk inscribed a pearl of wisdom thusly: >>Ken says: >>...Amazing after all these years we are comparing the latest and >>greatest digital gear to a 20 year old Nak, and the Nak still holds >>its own. Amazing! Just think where they could be today if "perfect >>sound forever" had to spoiled the party... > >This brings up an ongoing area of frustration for me. In the >everyday course of my audio activities, I still routinely use a Nak >cassette deck. Whenever I try to show them to either one of my >students or apprentices I can see their eyes glaze over, their brain >goes into neutral and they tune me out. Nakamichi was so far ahead >of their time, and of the other brands, that it's hard to free a >young person's mind up so that they can get past their "It's just a >CASSETTE recorder..." mindset. Ironic that a generation who reveres >iPods, MP3s (the digital equivalent of AM Radio -- medium wave to >those across The Pond) regards, as a knee-jerk reaction, cassettes >as an inferior medium. Hey, even a mediocre cassette deck like my >(now dead) Pioneer CT-F7171 beats the sound of an iPod hands down. > >All I hear from many teens today is that their iPod holds "thousands >of songs" and is small and convenient, while my Nakamichi 550 is >bulky, heavy (well, OK, there is that); and holds ony a dozen songs >or so. [I'm feeling The Generation Gap again -- from the other side >this time.] > >Doesn't sound matter anymore? > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Mar 13 03:47:22 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:47:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers Message-ID: <4233A9BA.5070905@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Fellow Nak'ers, recent dicussions have been on equipment for removing pops and ticks from LPs prior to recording them onto your faithful, friendly Nakamichi. The SAE 5000A was mentioned. I've had this unit; and although it works on loud pops it won't help on the low-level "gravel" or ticks. The single best non-digital system for the last twenty years has been the incredible equipment made by Packburn. I've never owned one but I've used them often, especially during my stint at the Marr Sound Archive, University of Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri, USA. It's also in everyday use at The Smithsonian Institution and at other major sound archives throughout North America. The Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor contains three processors for reduction of steady-state noise and de-clicking of transient noises, plus special features for optimum reproduction of old records, both lateral and vertical. A stereo version exists, I believe. I thought the Packburn was out of production, but I was wrong! Packburn Electronics Inc. P.O. Box 335 Dewitt, NY 13214-0335 USA TEL: (315) 472-5644 N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 05:18:01 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:18:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050313041801.44463.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com> >I just love its looks, and my LX 2 is such a nice beast. Don't you mean LX-3. I don't believe there is such a beast as the LX-2. SJ I am the owner of 1 RX-505, 2 RX-202's, a rack of MR-1's (a rack is eight), a ZX-7, a TD-500, a TD-1200II, 480Z and a ST-7. --- kkenkirk wrote: > Roland ponders: > > > "Seeing how I have limited funds, I've ofter wondered if I should > get a CD recorder, a RTR or a vintage Revox B215 which I've read is > very robust and you can still get parts." > > Ken says: > > I just read what Kermit has to say to you, and I agree. I just > don't think you will enjoy, over time, the sound of a cd or dat > recorder. The dat can be had for a pretty good price these days, > but the cost of dat tape is on the rise. I think they sound better > than most cd recorders, but it is still 16 44 or 48. The Naks walk > all over these machines when it comes to making music. > > I have a nice Teac X2000r, which makes spectacular > recordings,especially from a live mic feed. But as Kermit says, > tape is expensive and they break down too. I just spent hours last > weekend hunting down a blown resister in the power supply to the > capstan motor. The problem indicated a bad logic board, which is > the kiss of death. I figured I had nothing to loose so I spent a > day going through the deck with a schematic. With some help from a > tech from the reel to reel group, we found the 50 cent culprit. All > is perfect again, but it was a close call. > > Now on the Nakamichi front, I have a Dragon, RX 505, and my old and > trusty LX 2 from my dental school days. The dragon at the moment is > eating tape. It is going off to Kannan for surgery. I can't touch > it. The RX 505 was bought recently on Ebay for 250.00 plus postage. > It works like a champ. I really like it! The LX 2 had a problem > with the logic board back in 1982. It was fixed under warranty and > has worked perfectly till this day. I only wish it was an LX 5. > > So if I was to look for a Nakamichi on a limited budget, I would > look for a nice LX 5. I just love its looks, and my LX 2 is such a > nice beast. > > I am sure others will have different recommendations for a used > Nak, but I would get another one. The other options are just not > practical if you love the sound of great analog. > > Good luck!! > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 07:19:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:19:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050313061907.89200.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, While looking through a list of old computer ICs, I came across the D5101 CMOS RAM IC. This Ic is being used in much of the ZXE and ZXL decks I believe. And they are a source of major letdown. Seems this IC was also used in many pinball and early computer circuits from 1977 thru 1989. Now there is a replacement IC module which just plugs into the socket of the IC, and it doesnt require batteries since it writes into an internal EEPROM upon power down. Bala --- TRANSPLATA at aol.com wrote: > Try Mouser electronics for switches > Regards, > Jean-Pierre > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 13 18:23:30 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:23:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <20050312165837.32601.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c527f1$608ecca0$e4d04c51@oemcomputer> Bala said: "When it comes to sound, iPods and mp3s dont simply cut it for me as well as brown tape. And yet, I'm just turning 26 this year. " Ah! Still just a child ... come, join me other old ancients and we will contemplate Time ... Gra' feeling older by the minute ... > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 13 18:23:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:23:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c527f1$647c5a80$e4d04c51@oemcomputer> Ess said: "I guess what I'm saying is that your younger friends are right that the new digital medium IS in many ways the superior format. We just haven't seen the pinnacle of its implementation yet, but that pinnacle is approaching and all of us (especially us young'uns) are well aware of it. I'll probably be after a Blu-ray player with far more anxiety than a Dragon." This is a fair point. Consider what the first CD players sounded like and compare them with the modern ones of today. There is a world of difference! The digital medium IS getting better. Ess also said: "What I don't understand is why cassette tape died (no new recording or playback models or media of note in 10 years = dead) while the turntable lives on. " It died simply because the manufacturers (with the help of the media) strangled cassette because they wanted to replace it with Mini Disc. However, it is wrong to say it is completely dead - as some of you will have noted from a recent post I made, Pioneer have recently launched a new 3 head cassette recorder, which sounds similar to my own CTS830S except it does things like noise reduction and FLEX in a digital domain. Otherwise, it still records in analogue. I'd guess this may be their swan-song cassette machine, built to serve the interests of especially of the Japanese music fans who still have large collections of cassettes. Gra' > From CKDawson at cableone.net Sun Mar 13 20:27:15 2005 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:27:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: RE:Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 28 (Defense of Digital) Message-ID: <007a01c52802$a9f55380$6501a8c0@dell> "Ess Weigo" said - "One day we'll finally start to see a standardized, high-res, portable format with "audiophile" playback / recording devices and those will wipe out many of the vintage formats that linger on today. We're just not there yet." Even though I love listening to my vintage analog gear, I would certainly welcome a high quality, affordable, digital record/playback device to the family. I have really not been satisfied with my feeble attempts to transfer my analog recordings to CD. I'm sure it can be done better, but with just my PC and Roxio® software, it has been hardly worth the trouble. By all means, bring on something that I can integrate with my gear and produce a mix that sounds as good as what I can do with my NAK. A little further along in his post, he posed a question - "What I don't understand is why cassette tape died (no new recording or playback models or media of note in 10 years = dead) while the turntable lives on. Every day someone is releasing a five-figure turntable with claims of even yet better performance; meanwhile see see music released on LP all the time. Whereas most music stores I know of have stopped carrying cassette altogether, and as we all know there haven't been particularly good decks for a number of years now. What gives vinyl so much more lasting power? Is it the format not being magnetic?" I don't know if my thoughts about this are even close to the real cause, but here goes! What comes to mind for me is that cassette was primarily the "portable" media for use in automobiles, walkmen (walkman's?), etc.. Even after the introduction of CD's, cassette was still viable as a means to record mixes for playback in non-critical listening environments like your car or portable player. Once CD-R became a common component in most PC's, all bets were off. Also as you said yourself, the manufacturers really let down on the quality of their machines. I suppose that was partly due to profitability, partly due to consumer demand for digital gear. Now, as for vinyl, there are several advantages that make it my lasting favorite media. With proper care and storage, vinyl (and even more fragile shellac) recordings lose none of their sound quality as they age. If the recording was good to start with, it's still good. As you kind of point out yourself, magnetic media has a finite life. I know that there have even been questions about the life-span of disc in applications like image archiving, but I never have heard what the final determination was. I think that vinyl also has visual appeal. I still like to look at the dead space between the last track and the label. Sometimes there's just numbers scribed there, sometimes there are amusing notes or sayings. Cover Art and Liner Notes play a very important part in the vinyl LP experience, something that I've really missed with a lot of CD's. I also get a big kick out of the amazed look on the faces of kids who will sit and watch that record go round and round and listen to the music making some sort of complete connection between sound and motion. One more thing is people making their own music with others music recorded on LP's. Even though I'm a little old to try and place myself among the hip-hop generation, I was and am still very impressed and entertained by the DJ's and their skill using recoded music as an instrument in itself. I also really believe that they played a significant part in keeping vinyl alive as not only a reissue type of media but also as an ongoing vehicle for new music. Any other philosophical takes on this takes on this? I'll look forward to some other observations from our fellow Nakkers! Keith Dawson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Mar 13 21:25:28 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:25:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4234A1B8.5020202@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ess, Ess Wiego wrote: > ... On the > other hand, the same people bemoan all manner of new digital music > technologies as inferior to their vintage gear, and wax poetic about the > good 'ol days when young people appreciated cassette tape. > > One day we'll finally start to see a standardized, high-res, portable format with "audiophile" > playback / recording devices and those will wipe out many of the vintage > formats that linger on today. We're just not there yet. Good points. The sonic problem, I think, isn't that iPods &c. are portable and digital per se; it's the compression algorithms used in today's portable digital players. You're right, we're just not there yet. What we need is a small, compact, convenient digital storage medium that is the same size of an iPod YET will allow thousands of songs, if desired, to be stored in DSD format or in 192kHz, 24-bit format without losses. THEN a portable player like the iPod would sound excellent! What will that require? I don't know but my guess is a shirt pocket device with about hundreds of gigabytes (or even a few terabytes) of storage. That will happen one day. My first computer had a 4-megabyte hard drive, which seemed impossibly huge at he time. I'd have never dreamed I'd have a computer with 80-gigabytes of storage on it one day, let alone see computers with terabytes of storage on the market. > What I don't understand is why cassette tape died (no new recording or > playback models or media of note in 10 years = dead) while the turntable > lives on. Every day someone is releasing a five-figure turntable with > claims of even yet better performance; meanwhile see see music released > on LP all the time. Whereas most music stores I know of have stopped > carrying cassette altogether, and as we all know there haven't been > particularly good decks for a number of years now. What gives vinyl so > much more lasting power? Is it the format not being magnetic? I've puzzled over this myself. Perhaps it's a good mix of marketing mystique and that the particular "sonic signature" of LPs is perceived by makers as easier to achieve than similar quality of magnetic tape. Most record cutting lathes are extreme pieces of engineering, and sound fabulous. Tape recorders, on the other hand, vary from "flawless" (like Nakamichis) to nasty (like microcassettes) and everything in between. Very off-the-wall theory, created from a fatigue-soaked brain on the weekend. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Mar 13 21:32:11 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:32:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4234A34B.5040406@woods-and-waters.com> Shalom Alex! Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Kermit! > You own as you state a 600 Mk-2 same that once & only for 2 months I own > and recorded 4 cassettes, use a two heads pattern...,similarly to the > earlier 500...sound better that mostly RtoR decks...amazing!!!! Yes! See why I love these 600-IIs? Still my all-around favorite. My memory could be wrong, but I think the 600 and successor 600-II were the replacement for the 500. I do wish the 600 had mic pramps like the 500 did, but no problem. The 600 had a clever circuit that reduced IM distortion and improved headroom. The result was a level of clarity few recorders possess. For some reason Nakamichi deleted the IM supression feature in the 600-II, adding a headphone amp instead. Never understood the decision. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 23:03:11 2005 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:03:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050313220311.98664.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info. It's a bit rich for my blood, Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor Model 323A US$ 2,650.00, and it may be overkill for what I want. I don't plan on archiving 78s, just tranfer of LPs that have a pop and click here and there. fripp_em --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hey Fellow Nak'ers, > > recent dicussions have been on equipment for > removing pops and ticks > from LPs prior to recording them onto your faithful, > friendly Nakamichi. > The SAE 5000A was mentioned. I've had this unit; and > although it works > on loud pops it won't help on the low-level "gravel" > or ticks. > > The single best non-digital system for the last > twenty years has been > the incredible equipment made by Packburn. I've > never owned one but I've > used them often, especially during my stint at the > Marr Sound Archive, > University of Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri, USA. > It's also in > everyday use at The Smithsonian Institution and at > other major sound > archives throughout North America. > > The Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor contains three > processors for > reduction of steady-state noise and de-clicking of > transient noises, > plus special features for optimum reproduction of > old records, both > lateral and vertical. A stereo version exists, I > believe. > > I thought the Packburn was out of production, but I > was wrong! > > Packburn Electronics Inc. > P.O. Box 335 > Dewitt, NY 13214-0335 > USA > TEL: (315) 472-5644 > > N-Joy! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Mar 13 22:11:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:11:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4234AC69.2030807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Sound does matter. That's why I have both an ibook with 3500 mp3 songs > in it and a Nak 600, classic Marantz 2225 reciever from the 70s, Dual > Turntable, and Linn Tukan speakers. Honestly I listen to the mp3s a lot > as background music, it is convient, but when I want to hear good sound > I listen to the Nak, the turntable, or even the f.m. radio on the > Marantz, all sound crisper, and have more spatial information, better > bass, and clearer treble than the mp3s. kkenkirk wrote: > I don't think sound matters to most of them. ... But there are a few. > The problem is that it was much easier for us to > hear great sound when we were young. All we had to do was hit a hi fi > shop with McIntosh and Klipsch, spin some vinyl of our favorite band, > and we heard magic. Today, unless the kid wonders into a very out of > the way high end store, he will never hear analog done right. He might > get a chance to hear good solid state and a nice cd player. It will be > the best he has ever heard, but will he get goosebumps. I doubt it... Good points. I think perhaps my frustration with, and intolerance for, bad audio (like MP3s) is borne out of the atypical way I use stereos. Firstly, I spend my days in a neverending quest to improve sound, so anything that doesn't represent an improvement doesn't interest me. I've had three messages off-list from Nak'ers asking me to stop complaining about MP3s, and that if I'm such a great audio guy, design something to make MP3s sound better. MP3 enhancer, if you will. OK, that hits me where I live. Don't know if it's possible, but it's an interesting product idea.I'll try it! (See, criticism is the ultimate market research! I now know a market exists for something to enhance the sound of MP3s, an idea I'd never have come up with on my own. Wonderful!) Secondly, I don't ever listen to music as background music. When I want to listen to music, I'm going to sit down and center my attention on the music. Personality quirk. But I can see that iPods are ideal for that purpose. > I had a young kid drop me off at my house one day while they repaired >my car. While talking to him in the car, he told me he once sold >stereos at a big electronics firm. When we arrived I asked him if he >would listen to my stereo and tell me if I had it set up right.... He >looked stunned and did not talk. After the song was over, he said " I >have heard allot of stereos, but that is the first time I ever heard >the music." ...I planted a seed. Wonderful! See, this to me is the point of a fine stereo: to hear and experience the music, not to just fill a space with sound. It's a pity that he sold stereo but only when he heard your stereo did he finally get to hear he music. Shows how the overall quality of stereos have dropped. Nelson wrote: > Maybe the iPOD can hold thousands of songs but are they going to >listen to them all? The heck they are! Ok, I admit up front the following comment is snide: Given todays' rap or hip-hop styles, how do they tell the songs apart? I think I know how the iPod stores thousands of songs: it's really all the same song, but the iPod changes the title.... (joking) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Mar 13 22:14:44 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:14:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers In-Reply-To: <20050313220311.98664.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050313220311.98664.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4234AD44.4030701@woods-and-waters.com> fripp_em wrote: > Thanks for the info. It's a bit rich for my blood, > Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor Model 323A US$ > 2,650.00, > and it may be overkill for what I want. Yipes! Are they that expensive? > I don't plan > on archiving 78s, just tranfer of LPs that have a pop > and click here and there. The SAE 5000A will do that just fine. Also Burwen made a declicker that is better than the SAE; don't remember the model. Garrard once made a declicker that had a built-in phono preamp that was quite good, but alas I don't remember its model number. (Not my day for remembering numbers.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 13 23:57:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:57:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC / BASF High Bias Tapes In-Reply-To: <40B30EF4.3000300@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002501c52820$08a4a6c0$e4d04c51@oemcomputer> Mark or anyone! Do you have the figures that show the difference between the Chrome Extra II and the Super Chrome and Super Chrome II tapes? I've always assumed the SCII is supposedly an improvement on the SC, but I'm not sure about the difference between the CEII and SCII. BTW, if anyone's interested, a lot of the bulk unbranded tapes available in the UK for between 35p-44p a cassette (or so) is actually EMTEC/BASF Super Chrome. That is a good buy, I think. Gra' > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Mar 14 00:25:47 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:25:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Message-ID: Here's a Nak LX-5 going cheap on eBay US. Probably only needs a belt. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5757676825 I would have bid only freight to Australia is exorbitant. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmy5024 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 02:01:11 2005 From: dmy5024 at yahoo.com (yee dan) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:01:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dual c-830 cassette deck Message-ID: <20050314010111.43300.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I am an proud owner of a zx-7. Now I am looking for a second deck. I can pick up a Dual C-830 at good price. Does anyone have any experience with this deck? Should I go for it? Many thanks, --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Mar 14 02:17:58 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:17:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes References: Message-ID: <001801c52833$a9269b90$ca01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Matthew Rogers" > Sound does matter. That's why I have both an ibook with 3500 mp3 songs in > it and a Nak 600, classic Marantz 2225 reciever from the 70s, Dual > Turntable, and Linn Tukan speakers. Honestly I listen to the mp3s a lot as > background music, it is convient, but when I want to hear good sound I > listen to the Nak, the turntable, or even the f.m. radio on the Marantz, all > sound crisper, and have more spatial information, better bass, and clearer > treble than the mp3s. BTW I'm 38 about half why in between the geezers and > the podders. :) There's also the option of loading the iPod up with wav format files, which should yield higher output quality (obviously within the limits of the DAC's that are used in the iPod). I just recently broke down and got a 60GB iPod Photo to use for travel (both in the car and otherwise) and am impressed with the quality of sound it provides given the tiny package and capacity it has. It's nice having my entire music collection with me anywhere I go - I'm not forced to be home listening to music on my big (and much better sounding) system anymore. The sound quality of MP3's is perfectly acceptable for background music at work, listening to music in the car or on a plane is a lot more practical than carrying hundreds of CD's :). The iPod and equivalents from iRiver, Creative, etc. most certainly have their place in the world as do our higher end systems with (or without) Nakamichi tape decks. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Mar 14 08:08:34 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:08:34 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote Message-ID: <20050314070834.49061.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Should I bother? Record on the ZX-7, playback on the RX-505? I actually don't have ROOM for two decks in the rack (well I do currently but when I get a good turntable I won't)...but I'm tempted by azimuth control and proper tape cal. What are parts like for the ZX-7 too? I've basically tracked down everything that I need for the 505, but if the ZX-7 is going to be a big hassle then... Anyone's thoughts and opinions and experiences on ZX-7 rec/pb vs RX-505 and the sonic signature differences would be MORE than welcome! Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 14 08:12:35 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:12:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams: Inelegant solutions Message-ID: No worries Ed, Toothpicks are at least tools - I have an orange frisbee in one of my speakers - it works like a charm. It's holding up well (as an internal brace) - let's hope it doesn't fall prey to the dreaded orange frisbee disease!! Marc >>> enoyes at snet.net 03/12/05 03:31PM >>> I know that this is a grossly inelegant solution, but consider making a shim out of cardboard or a couple of toothpicks that you can wedge between the switch and the front plate to hold the switch in the "in" position. Ed John Berger wrote: >Since we've been bemoaning the difficulty of finding parts for Naks, and >the sound of reel to reels, I've been working on getting my X-1000R up and >running again. > >Unfortunately, there are two switches that are broken (they switch when >pressed, but don't latch in the inward position). They control the tape >speed (3-3/4 or 7-1/2) and reel size, and they're both push-on/push off >4PDT switches. > >Teac doesn't have the part any more, either the individual switches, or >the circuit assembly). I've been able to wire around it, and set the deck >for 7" reels and 3-3/4, which handles most of my tapes, but it's a pain to >switch it back to 7-1/2. > >Long story short, can anyone point me to a good electronic parts web site >that lets you browse for parts? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 09:34:00 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314083401.81780.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or the condition of the records. It is the condition of the playback. I had a sizeable number of my records picked from streets and used goods shops. Previously with my Roksan MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the click and pop was still there. After changing yet again to a VPI TNT 5, 12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead silent, I can hear the hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the stylus, the alignment (VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the record all must work together. I think having done all that, up to 60% noise can be eliminated. Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I think its pretty much like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed clean and demagged. PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too much of the clicks and pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major factor here. "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: fripp_em wrote: > Thanks for the info. It's a bit rich for my blood, > Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor Model 323A US$ > 2,650.00, > and it may be overkill for what I want. Yipes! Are they that expensive? > I don't plan > on archiving 78s, just tranfer of LPs that have a pop > and click here and there. The SAE 5000A will do that just fine. Also Burwen made a declicker that is better than the SAE; don't remember the model. Garrard once made a declicker that had a built-in phono preamp that was quite good, but alas I don't remember its model number. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 10:12:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:12:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seems that "NOW"...will have a Daddy!!!!! it's already SOLD! ALEX! >From: David Thompson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:25:47 +1000 > >Here's a Nak LX-5 going cheap on eBay US. Probably only needs a belt. >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5757676825 > >I would have bid only freight to Australia is exorbitant. > >David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Mar 14 09:17:43 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:17:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dual c-830 cassette deck In-Reply-To: <20050314010111.43300.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050314010111.43300.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423548A7.8020205@woods-and-waters.com> Hi! yee dan wrote: > Hi, > I am an proud owner of a zx-7. Now I am looking for a second deck. I can > pick up a Dual C-830 at good price. Does anyone have any experience with > this deck? Should I go for it? Yes! I came very close to buying one when they were new, but I didn't have the money at the time. Always wished I had. The Dual C-830 was one of the few late 1970s decks (1979 to 1981, I think) that was comparable to Nakamichi in sound quality. It had a different "feel" to its sound than Nakamichi, but it was excellent. Dual was one of the first to use LED bargraph meters, which was the one feature it had I didn't care for, but that wouldn't have stopped me buying one. It was a three-head, and had Sendust alloy heads. It would make it out to 20,000 cps (Naks at the same time could made about 40,000 cps). I think it had a recording fade function and Dolby B, really low flutter-and-wow for the day, and fairly decent mic preamps (but only two, not three like some Naks did). The main difference between a Nak and the Dual C-830 sonically was that the Nak had better high frequency headroom and the Nak's limiter operated more unobtrusively than the Dual C-830's limiter. (All that really means in practice is you cannot push the Dual C-830's limiter as hard, but in a way, that's a good thing!) If you're recording from the typical peak-limited and compressed LP, the two are close enough. It's live recording or really well done direct-to-disc LPs that will show the difference between the a Nak and the Dual C-830. Hope this helps! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 10:26:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:26:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: Shalom Kermit! You are NOT wrong...the 600 and after 600/2 were the successors of the very reliable 500 one! Today after more of 2 decades that I own a 600/2..I really don't recall 100% exactly how sound...sorry, the 2 heads design make me really un-happy...so I look for a 3 head design...a Akai one...till I get the 1000ZXL...which fail after a week...and now I hope for much longer term time the Dragon...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog >Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:32:11 -0500 > >Shalom Alex! > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom Kermit! >>You own as you state a 600 Mk-2 same that once & only for 2 months I own >>and recorded 4 cassettes, use a two heads pattern...,similarly to the >>earlier 500...sound better that mostly RtoR decks...amazing!!!! > >Yes! See why I love these 600-IIs? Still my all-around favorite. My memory >could be wrong, but I think the 600 and successor 600-II were the >replacement for the 500. I do wish the 600 had mic pramps like the 500 did, >but no problem. The 600 had a clever circuit that reduced IM distortion and >improved headroom. The result was a level of clarity few recorders possess. >For some reason Nakamichi deleted the IM supression feature in the 600-II, >adding a headphone amp instead. Never understood the decision. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 10:31:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:31:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC / BASF High Bias Tapes Message-ID: Shalom Gra' To my "cute" understanding...are the same...only "Sales gimmick...or when the Basf name was changed by EMTEC...they changed the label/case and product name...who knows...? Maybe Mark? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC / BASF High Bias Tapes >Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:57:29 -0000 > >Mark or anyone! > >Do you have the figures that show the difference between the Chrome Extra >II >and the Super Chrome and Super Chrome II tapes? I've always assumed the >SCII is supposedly an improvement on the SC, but I'm not sure about the >difference between the CEII and SCII. > >BTW, if anyone's interested, a lot of the bulk unbranded tapes available in >the UK for between 35p-44p a cassette (or so) is actually EMTEC/BASF Super >Chrome. That is a good buy, I think. > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Mar 14 11:13:46 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:13:46 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D945@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Well to start with the ZX7 and the RX505 share the same mechanism, even the belts are the same. The only thing you need to worry about is the orange cap disease is more prominent in the ZX7. I own a ZX9 and had to replace orange caps on three separate occasions, once for the erase bias circuit, once for the Dolby circuit and recently for the playback circuit. I should replace all orange caps but I am too lazy and plagued with study and work all the time. Other than that it's a kick butt deck. I'd say get it, you only live once :) Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Iain McGhee [mailto:iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au] Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 6:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote Should I bother? Record on the ZX-7, playback on the RX-505? I actually don't have ROOM for two decks in the rack (well I do currently but when I get a good turntable I won't)...but I'm tempted by azimuth control and proper tape cal. What are parts like for the ZX-7 too? I've basically tracked down everything that I need for the 505, but if the ZX-7 is going to be a big hassle then... Anyone's thoughts and opinions and experiences on ZX-7 rec/pb vs RX-505 and the sonic signature differences would be MORE than welcome! Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 11:22:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:22:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers Message-ID: BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you wrote is IMPERATIVE! As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is extremely ample..., after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately tuning/sep up turntables...I 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S NOISE REDUCTION"...is NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from 99% of my extremely large Lp records collection...are "Completely Silence"...thanks to my 100% Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) > >Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or the condition of the >records. It is the condition of the playback. I had a sizeable number of my >records picked from streets and used goods shops. Previously with my Roksan >MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the >click and pop was still there. After changing yet again to a VPI TNT 5, >12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead silent, I can hear the >hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the stylus, the alignment >(VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the record all must work >together. I think having done all that, up to 60% noise can be eliminated. >Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I think its pretty much >like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed clean and demagged. > > >PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too much of the clicks and >pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major factor here. > >"Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > >fripp_em wrote: > > Thanks for the info. It's a bit rich for my blood, > > Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor Model 323A US$ > > 2,650.00, > > and it may be overkill for what I want. > >Yipes! Are they that expensive? > > > I don't plan > > on archiving 78s, just tranfer of LPs that have a pop > > and click here and there. > >The SAE 5000A will do that just fine. Also Burwen made a declicker that >is better than the SAE; don't remember the model. Garrard once made a >declicker that had a built-in phono preamp that was quite good, but alas >I don't remember its model number. (Not my day for remembering numbers.) > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 14:08:18 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:08:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog Message-ID: <42358CC2.6010403@sbcglobal.net> Scott asks: "Don't you mean LX-3. I don't believe there is such a beast as the LX-2." Ken says: Of course I do. But I think LX 2 makes more sense since it is a two head deck. So I have renamed it to avoid confusion... :-) My mistake... From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:08:33 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:08:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ipod's, another way to listen Message-ID: <42359AE1.6060703@sbcglobal.net> Well as a true analog lover, there are times I just can't get an analog fix. Like on planes, car trips, outside by the pool etc.. I don't think portable cassette players sound as good as my Ipod, the way I have my Ipod set up. We have 3 Ipods in my family. My daughter got the first one. Then I had to have one, then my son had to have one. The wife could care less, since you can't talk on it... :-) Anyway, you can get excellent sound from these toys. First off, I use Apple's Lossless Compression to compress. I use the best sounding cd's I have as a source. Even though the files are 3 to 4 times larger than an MP3, with 30 gigs of space you can still have more albums on it than you can listen to for days. On playback you get the original 16 44 files. As Kermit said, with allot of care, you can get a very good sounding 16 44 cd. I have the proof in my collection. But they are not so easy to find. I have noticed the cd layer on hybrid SACD's sounds very good for the most part. I think they are taking more time and effort mastering SACD's, and it spills over to the cd layer. My guess... Next, I threw away the crappy ear buds Apple gives you. I bought Etymotics. Expensive, but they sound fabulous! And they reduce outside noise big time. You have to get used to having something inside your ear canal, but the bass is serious! And they sound sweet on top. So I use them for traveling. For around the house podding, I use my Sennheiser HD 600's. Ipods can deliver fantastic audio. But with highly compressed MP3's and cheap ear buds, they sound like crap. But you can get an Ipod to sing. I really enjoy a nice plane ride while jamming on some classic rock, blues, jazz, even classical with my Ipod and Etymotics. And the sound is just going to get better. http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.asp From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 08:18:03 2005 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:18:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: Hi Tom you are right; the right pinch roller did not lift to contact the capstan. How did you get it to lift? Btw I found the idler tire which fits perfectly in some electronics shop over here for $0.30 ea. gonna grad a few more as spares. Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 14 16:28:35 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:28:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams: Inelegantsolutions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c528aa$7cfe0220$6a9c4c51@oemcomputer> Ah! Orange frisbee disease ... you must take care with that, Mark as it can cross species ... Gra' > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 18:32:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050314173226.69588.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Thank You Alex, Most scratches and damage occurs on the top layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual groove which holds the music. And critical alignment ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. They were misaligned and were not producing even half the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss stop and start between tracks on some records! Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! > > 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you > wrote is IMPERATIVE! > > As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is > extremely ample..., > after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately > tuning/sep up turntables...I > 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S > NOISE REDUCTION"...is > NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from > 99% of my extremely > large Lp records collection...are "Completely > Silence"...thanks to my 100% > Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). > > Happy Listening! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for > LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) > > > >Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or > the condition of the > >records. It is the condition of the playback. I had > a sizeable number of my > >records picked from streets and used goods shops. > Previously with my Roksan > >MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I > upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the > >click and pop was still there. After changing yet > again to a VPI TNT 5, > >12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead > silent, I can hear the > >hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the > stylus, the alignment > >(VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the > record all must work > >together. I think having done all that, up to 60% > noise can be eliminated. > >Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I > think its pretty much > >like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed > clean and demagged. > > > > > >PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too > much of the clicks and > >pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major > factor here. > > > >"Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > > > > > >fripp_em wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. It's a bit rich for my > blood, > > > Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor Model 323A US$ > > > 2,650.00, > > > and it may be overkill for what I want. > > > >Yipes! Are they that expensive? > > > > > I don't plan > > > on archiving 78s, just tranfer of LPs that have > a pop > > > and click here and there. > > > >The SAE 5000A will do that just fine. Also Burwen > made a declicker that > >is better than the SAE; don't remember the model. > Garrard once made a > >declicker that had a built-in phono preamp that was > quite good, but alas > >I don't remember its model number. (Not my day for > remembering numbers.) > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >16371 Lake Point Drive > >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > >USA > >816-918-5058 cellphone > >913-422-0957 business > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From mrraven200 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 19:14:54 2005 From: mrraven200 at hotmail.com (Matthew Rogers) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:14:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: <4234AC69.2030807@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I don't think it's possible to ever make mp3s sound quite as good as analog or high end digital. My admittedly non expert theory on this is that compressing the waveforms destroys the spatial information and makes the recording sound literally flat. It is possible to boost the bass with an equalizer and restore frequency response but the spatial information is destroyed and can never be replaced. Any experts here think I'm just out lunch on this one? How can I hold this theory and also listen to mp3s piped through my system? Simple the mp3s are background music for web surfing or other tasks. When I�m multitasking just hearing a familiar tune is good enough to make me happy. --Matt Rogers p.s. There is hip hop out there with real musical talent, try Digable Planets, Groove Collective, Ozomotli, Zap MaMa, DJ Shadow, or DJ Spooky for starters. All of these artists care about sound and experiment in the realms of jazz and music from Africa, the middle east, etc. Most hip hop IS crap just like most music on the radio is crap, shrug. Money talks, talent walks in the age of image over subtance. >From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com> >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes >Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:11:05 -0500 > >Hi Guys, > >Matthew Rogers wrote: >>Sound does matter. That's why I have both an ibook with 3500 mp3 >>songs in it and a Nak 600, classic Marantz 2225 reciever from the >>70s, Dual Turntable, and Linn Tukan speakers. Honestly I listen to >>the mp3s a lot as background music, it is convient, but when I want >>to hear good sound I listen to the Nak, the turntable, or even the >>f.m. radio on the Marantz, all sound crisper, and have more spatial >>information, better bass, and clearer treble than the mp3s. > >kkenkirk wrote: > > I don't think sound matters to most of them. ... But there are a >few. > > The problem is that it was much easier for us to > > hear great sound when we were young. All we had to do was hit a >hi fi > > shop with McIntosh and Klipsch, spin some vinyl of our favorite >band, > > and we heard magic. Today, unless the kid wonders into a very out >of > > the way high end store, he will never hear analog done right. He >might > get a chance to hear good solid state and a nice cd player. >It will be > the best he has ever heard, but will he get goosebumps. >I doubt it... > >Good points. I think perhaps my frustration with, and intolerance >for, bad audio (like MP3s) is borne out of the atypical way I use >stereos. > >Firstly, I spend my days in a neverending quest to improve sound, so >anything that doesn't represent an improvement doesn't interest me. >I've had three messages off-list from Nak'ers asking me to stop >complaining about MP3s, and that if I'm such a great audio guy, >design something to make MP3s sound better. MP3 enhancer, if you >will. OK, that hits me where I live. Don't know if it's possible, >but it's an interesting product idea.I'll try it! (See, criticism is >the ultimate market research! I now know a market exists for >something to enhance the sound of MP3s, an idea I'd never have come >up with on my own. Wonderful!) > >Secondly, I don't ever listen to music as background music. When I >want to listen to music, I'm going to sit down and center my >attention on the music. Personality quirk. But I can see that iPods >are ideal for that purpose. > > > I had a young kid drop me off at my house one day while they >repaired >my car. While talking to him in the car, he told me he >once sold >stereos at a big electronics firm. When we arrived I >asked him if he >would listen to my stereo and tell me if I had it >set up right.... He >looked stunned and did not talk. After the song >was over, he said " I >have heard allot of stereos, but that is the >first time I ever heard >the music." ...I planted a seed. > >Wonderful! See, this to me is the point of a fine stereo: to hear >and experience the music, not to just fill a space with sound. It's >a pity that he sold stereo but only when he heard your stereo did he >finally get to hear he music. Shows how the overall quality of >stereos have dropped. > > >Nelson wrote: > > Maybe the iPOD can hold thousands of songs but are they going to > >listen to them all? The heck they are! > >Ok, I admit up front the following comment is snide: Given todays' >rap or hip-hop styles, how do they tell the songs apart? I think I >know how the iPod stores thousands of songs: it's really all the >same song, but the iPod changes the title.... (joking) > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mrraven200 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 19:21:32 2005 From: mrraven200 at hotmail.com (Matthew Rogers) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:21:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <4234A34B.5040406@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Yes the 600 is an amazing piece of kit (as the Brits say). And to think I found mine at a thrift store in almost perfect condition for 10 dollars he hehe. It is the deck that got me to listen to cassettes again after having written them off in the mid to late 90s. --Matt Rogers >From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com> >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog >Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:32:11 -0500 > >Shalom Alex! > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom Kermit! >>You own as you state a 600 Mk-2 same that once & only for 2 months >>I own and recorded 4 cassettes, use a two heads >>pattern...,similarly to the earlier 500...sound better that mostly >>RtoR decks...amazing!!!! > >Yes! See why I love these 600-IIs? Still my all-around favorite. My >memory could be wrong, but I think the 600 and successor 600-II were >the replacement for the 500. I do wish the 600 had mic pramps like >the 500 did, but no problem. The 600 had a clever circuit that >reduced IM distortion and improved headroom. The result was a level >of clarity few recorders possess. For some reason Nakamichi deleted >the IM supression feature in the 600-II, adding a headphone amp >instead. Never understood the decision. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Mar 14 19:55:01 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:55:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Message-ID: <74.4f842ab0.2f673805@aol.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA and other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 20:00:34 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:00:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote References: <20050314070834.49061.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Ian, I own both RX505 and ZX-7. And, I am disappointed in some respect of the RX505. It is a very good machine to play back tapes on it, but if you go for recording also, the ZX-7 is far better (in my opinion). It is very common nowadays that cassettes are different in quality, even the same batch produces some different results. In this case (according to my experience and opinion) rec head aligment and extensive calibration utilities are a must. Regarding spares I do not know anything, I have the ZX7 for some 8 years now, and the local service was always able to get the parts she needed (just common rubber parts). This deck is quite massive, it does not produce any faults if used regularly. Sorry for being so biased towards my ZX-7, but it is my personal experience. recording on a ZX and an RX are two different world. Maybe Mr. Bleus will give you some hints about his experience. Please keep in mind he gone for a ZX-9, so he was probably NOT disappointed with the performance of ZX-7. Regarding the wow-factor the ZX-7 is surely a boring machine compared to the RX505, but it is always a pleasure for me when the guys are not able to distinguish a recorded tape (ZX7) from the original source (usually CD). Hope I helped. If I were you, only the price and condition of the unit would decide. Do not fear of ZX-7. Very nice machine for a usually acceptable price. Kind regards, István (Hungary) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote > Should I bother? Record on the ZX-7, playback on the > RX-505? I actually don't have ROOM for two decks in > the rack (well I do currently but when I get a good > turntable I won't)...but I'm tempted by azimuth > control and proper tape cal. > > What are parts like for the ZX-7 too? I've basically > tracked down everything that I need for the 505, but > if the ZX-7 is going to be a big hassle then... > > Anyone's thoughts and opinions and experiences on ZX-7 > rec/pb vs RX-505 and the sonic signature differences > would be MORE than welcome! > > Iain > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 20:51:46 2005 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:51:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Here's to the LX-5 Message-ID: Thanks for your thoughts on the LX-5. No wonder I own 2 and 1 LX-3. I spent my weekend recording (no dolby) on the ZX-7 and doing playback on the LX-5. Can't complain - the sound is great! >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: RE: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:00:19 +0200 > >That's true Ess (what Gra' says) > >The main user advantage that the LX-5 (it's not really a step up) has >is that it uses the original Nak mechanism which is tougher than the >subsequent one used in CRs and DRs. Also it uses different model heads >which (it is my theory only) have a slightly richer, warmer sound. Also >the LX-5 looks refreshingly minimalist, with many controls hidden under >the flap. It has a red display too-as far as I remember. > >Another thing too, Ess, is that the real jaw-drop with Nakamichi is >their recording abilities - not just their playback. Nice as some CDs >are, I prefer my CDs recorded on a Nakamichi to quality tape stock. >ZX-9 is the classic, hands-on, power users Nakamichi tool, with complete >manual control over calibration. As Mark Nutter would say - CR-7 >consolidates these "keys to the kingdom" into one single automated >step. > >Cheers, > >Marc > > > > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 03/10/05 11:34AM >>> >Just bare in mind the LX5 and ZX9 do NOT have adjustable azimuth for >play >back. The CR7 does, like the DR1. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ess Wiego > > Sent: 10 March 2005 03:50 > > To: Mhugo at sunint.co.za; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! > > > > > > Wow, thank you for the welcome and the fascinating information. The >DR1 > > sounds like a relatively new deck. I would imagine that a late > > model would > > be a nice commodity, if you are getting a relatively new deck > > that's still > > high quality with playback azimuth. So, I have to ask, from a >playback > > perspective what do you get by stepping up to a LX5, a CR7a, ZX9 > > or one of > > the other "premier" decks? > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 14 21:26:33 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:26:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC / BASF High Bias Tapes In-Reply-To: <002501c52820$08a4a6c0$e4d04c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Gra' These Bulk unbranded type IIs, Where are you buying them from? I was very taken with BASF Supers and would like to give the Bulk cassettes a try! My only reservation is the shells that are used, I once made a living out of winding blank cassettes, and some of the "pancakes" of blank tape was extremely high quality indeed! I just wish I knew where I stored the winding deck? could source the pancakes and shells and start in business again! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 13 March 2005 22:57 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC / BASF High Bias Tapes Mark or anyone! Do you have the figures that show the difference between the Chrome Extra II and the Super Chrome and Super Chrome II tapes? I've always assumed the SCII is supposedly an improvement on the SC, but I'm not sure about the difference between the CEII and SCII. BTW, if anyone's interested, a lot of the bulk unbranded tapes available in the UK for between 35p-44p a cassette (or so) is actually EMTEC/BASF Super Chrome. That is a good buy, I think. Gra' > From Steve.Mallon at motorola.com Mon Mar 14 21:51:12 2005 From: Steve.Mallon at motorola.com (Mallon Stephen-W17525) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:51:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get Nakamichi service in Chicago area Message-ID: <4FD6C1D09A98D711946B00065BF3253D13A3EB2F@il93exm02> Hi, Does anyone have the name of an authorized Nakamichi service center in the north suburbs of Chicago that they have used and would recommend? I have had bad experiences with repair shops in the past and don't want to take my equipment to just any shop. Thanks, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had a couple of the C-919 decks and have to say that the fast wind speed was faster than anything I've ever seen... scary fast. Ed Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi! > > yee dan wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am an proud owner of a zx-7. Now I am looking for a second deck. I >> can pick up a Dual C-830 at good price. Does anyone have any >> experience with this deck? Should I go for it? > > > Yes! I came very close to buying one when they were new, but I didn't > have the money at the time. Always wished I had. The Dual C-830 was > one of the few late 1970s decks (1979 to 1981, I think) that was > comparable to Nakamichi in sound quality. It had a different "feel" to > its sound than Nakamichi, but it was excellent. Dual was one of the > first to use LED bargraph meters, which was the one feature it had I > didn't care for, but that wouldn't have stopped me buying one. > > It was a three-head, and had Sendust alloy heads. It would make it out > to 20,000 cps (Naks at the same time could made about 40,000 cps). I > think it had a recording fade function and Dolby B, really low > flutter-and-wow for the day, and fairly decent mic preamps (but only > two, not three like some Naks did). > > The main difference between a Nak and the Dual C-830 sonically was > that the Nak had better high frequency headroom and the Nak's limiter > operated more unobtrusively than the Dual C-830's limiter. (All that > really means in practice is you cannot push the Dual C-830's limiter > as hard, but in a way, that's a good thing!) > > If you're recording from the typical peak-limited and compressed LP, > the two are close enough. It's live recording or really well done > direct-to-disc LPs that will show the difference between the a Nak and > the Dual C-830. > > Hope this helps! > > N-Joy! > From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 15 09:34:09 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:34:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Removing Scratches in Plastic In-Reply-To: <423600EE.30706@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <002c01c52939$c1d40720$49f04c51@oemcomputer> I recall one former DJ of the BBC (I forget his name - he's now with a commercial station) used to "fix" a lot of scratched records that jumped by taking the pocket clip of a Bic ballpoint pen and running the thin end of it along the record grooves where the scratch caused problems. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: 14 March 2005 21:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Removing Scratches in Plastic For removing scratches in plastic, check out this website: www.theturntablefactory.com Go to the site index and click on the article about removing scratches in plastic. Looks like each of the two methods would work on a Nak window or turntable cover. Mike BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Joel, I used that that stuff but found Brasso! better at removing scratches. Thanks! Best Regards! Ali ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 10:24:01 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:24:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050315092401.55318.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it may cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its definitely not going to track right. Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an alignment template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is Cart-A-Line. It allows you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart is straight with respect to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that the cart is not tilting to either side, or pitching forward or backward. Tighten, just, the screws. Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously its hard, but you can begin by setting the cart body to be parellel with a stationary record. Then increase a little from there. ) Next is to set the tracking weight. I tend to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended tracking weight. Here, more is better because lesser weight is going to wear out your records. Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until there is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither should be too outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this since record thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its best to check the tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend to change. You may have to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a little to settle on something you like. Bala BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA and other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Mar 15 13:53:56 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:53:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic Cover for RX505-E Message-ID: <000901c5295e$0d139920$f6e95651@homeduron1300> Hi folks, This is my first post, so I'm bound to do it wrong, but here goes. I feel I must try and stick up for ESL, after some rather unpleasant and largely unwarranted criticism recently. My experience of dealing with Jeff has been excellent. He answers all emails promptly and even though he is not in the parts supply business, he recently supplied me with a part for one of my RX505-Es. It wasn't cheap but when it got lost somewhere over the Atlantic, (I live about 20 miles from B&W), he sent me a replacement without any quibble or hesitation. I must say I felt extremely guilty to be using up more of his precious stock than needed, especially as I originally wanted two of them anyway. So I had caused two of the parts to disappear off his shelves but still needed one! So I now have guilt AND frustration - a potent mix! Anyway Jeff was great and I think all the moaners should try and imagine what the situation would be like if ESL didn't exist at all. At least in the distant future those Nak owners with a the diposable income of one of the smaller countries will still be able to own an 'as new' machine. And perhaps that isn't unreasonable if you think that originally these machines were only owned by the rich or the very dedicated and self sacrificing enthusiast. Anyway, back to the plot: So I am still short of a part which B&W cannot supply and I just wondered if anyone out there might have one lying around (yes I know I'm being stupid but if you don't ask, you never find out). The part I need is is one of the plastic cassette compartment covers. You know, the clear plastic cover which sits in front of the cassette compartment and moves in and out with it when removing the cassette from the tray. It keeps the dust out. I actually bought 2 machines (via the internet, but not eBay), neither with covers (they were used by a copy studio). They are beautiful works of art when complete but look a bit 'industrial' without the cover and my wife doesn't like them as they are, or should I say the remaining coverless one as it is! So I'm a bit desperate to 'source', another cover. I'm happy to pay what ever the 'going' price is, as I have drawn a blank so often. B&W in Worthing (UK) don't have any and NAKUSA also no longer have any. Needless to say I don't want to bother Jeff again. So anyone out there got one or know where I can get one? Now, apart from that the only slight dissapointment I have with my wonderful Naks is that there is no 'mono' record or playback facility on the 505s. Can anyone tell me which machines can record and play back in mono? In fact I really only need play back, so that would do. I have many mono spoken voice tapes from the sixties, which I want to put on hard disk and then onto CD and although I've made a stereo to mono lead, I'd rather the convergence was made closer to source. I've made a stereo to mono lead but I'd like to have the correction made within the machine if possible. And just one last thing regarding the Nak.com site. From other things I've read I gain the impression that there is more to the site than I've found, like Nakmart listings and photos of machines. Are there hidden depths which I've failed to plumb? And If so where are they? Thanks a lot everyone, Naktalk is a great chat site, and although wading through 150+ emails can take time, there are usually a couple of little treasures to keep in the pile somewhere. Many thanks to all. David Edwards From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Mar 15 15:15:23 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 9:15:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Message-ID: <20050315141523.NBZF11124.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Ali, try this http://www.xs4all.nl/~rabruil/ttadjust.html > > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Date: 2005/03/14 Mon PM 01:55:01 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops > > Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA and > other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and pops > noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! It sure > would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid of these > noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE GREAT!!!!:) > KERMIT! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > > Roland -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 15:38:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:38:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <74.4f842ab0.2f673805@aol.com> Message-ID: Shalom Ali! Read very carefully this...and all will sound right! http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/ttsetup.html Cheers, ALEX! >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:55:01 >EST > >Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA and >other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and >pops >noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! It >sure >would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid of these >noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE >GREAT!!!!:) >KERMIT! > >With Best Regards! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 16 04:23:12 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:23:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D953@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> To get the pinch roller to lift requires a partial disassemble of the mechanism to remove the shaft that the pinch roller is attached to. This lack of movement is due to hardened grease on the shaft which prevents the pinch roller from moving. This is how I fixed mine. 1. Remove the top cover and front facia of your unit, this will require the removal of the knobs too and plastic cover of the tape well. 2. You will need to loosen the tape well assembly so that you can get easy access to the head block, make sure that the heads are well covered. I used cotton wool over the heads and held the cotton wool with scotch tape in case a wondering screw driver landed on top of the heads. 3. remove the two screws that hold the head block and carefully remove the head block and put to one side - the wire loom will still be connected to the heads so you cannot remove completely. 4. loosen the screw that holds the pinch roller in place and put in a safe place, now hold your breath and do step 5. 5. VERY CAREFULLY remove the spring that is attached underneath the pinch roller. With your fingers wiggle the shaft from clock wise to anti-clock wise while pulling the shaft to remove it. This may take some extra muscle - BUT NOT TOO MUCH - to remove the shaft. There is a spring under the shaft too so don't loose it. 6. Remove the old grease from the shaft using a descent de-greaser. re-grease the shaft and perform the exact opposite of the removal of the shaft (steps 5-1). 7. Now for the "fun" part. the shaft may not be in alignment anymore with the tape path so you will need a sacrificial tape to perform the final steps, use a tape that you don't mind having the deck chew up - preferably one with a clear transparent case. 8. Press play and see if the pinch roller is moving in the correct position now, if yes put the tape in and press play. Does it chew up the tape, if yes you will need to adjust the screw at the end of the shaft, if you remove the "auto azimuth" metal cover you will see the access hole for this screw. 9. Adjust the screw until the machine stops munching the tape, you may have to adjust - press stop and then press play again to check if you have done it right. 10. After you have done that record something on the tape and flip it over and press play, do you hear your recording in reverse playing back? If yes you will need to re-adjust the screw again until this disappears. Well that's about it. It took me 2.5 - 3 hours to complete this job but it was worth it because the playback and record is perfect. Please note, TAKE YOUR TIME WITH THIS PROJECT, do not rush it and make sure you don't loose any screws or springs. Hope this helps. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2005 6:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Hi Tom you are right; the right pinch roller did not lift to contact the capstan. How did you get it to lift? Btw I found the idler tire which fits perfectly in some electronics shop over here for $0.30 ea. gonna grad a few more as spares. Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Mar 16 06:27:10 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:27:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX vs RX decks..... Message-ID: <004f01c529e8$d2e658b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings István, Iain, et al.... Well, I will comment on the RX-505, which is one of my most cherished Nak decks. Indeed, the RX-505 is such a superb playback deck, endless hours of music played here at the BleusNak studio room. This deck is the favorite for continuous playback of my home recorded cassettes. Any cassette I place in the RX-505, it has a sweetly reproduced sound. Sweet and warm analogue sound. What I do is record on the ZX decks, with the manual calibration controls, and then when ever I want great and potent music playback, continuously, the RX-505 is the primary deck. Of course, the ZX-7 and ZX-9 have high caliber playback abilities also. Honestly, the ZX-9 has the highest ability to record and playback in my collection right now (thanks to master KS :-}} ). I've aspired during the last few years to regain a Nak ZX-9 in my cassette deck stable, and believe me, this deck, properly rehabbed and tuned to its potential, is the Nak deck to possess, no doubt in my mind. Dragons are really nice, but not my kind of deck with all of those (hah!) sophisticated bells and whistles to go awry. Caveat for me is:- I demand complete manual control over my cassette tape recording, and of course, playback. Perhaps kind of like Niro Nakamichi, who many years ago authorized the use of ZX-9 decks for recordings in his Nakamichi Music Hall live recording demonstrations. Historically, the Nak ZX-9 has been immortalized as the best recording deck of its era by Nakamichi Corp, during the early 1980s. Yet, don't just look at the ZX decks. Indeed, I'd like to advise NakTalkers and NakChatters that they should not be disappointed with the RX-505, when properly maintained and tuned. Its a phenomenal cassette deck, both in performance and good looks/function. Its the ultimate steady performing autoreverse cassette deck available to the collector now, in my opinion. Best regards to all, Bleus Message: 11 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:00:34 +0100 From: S?ndor Istv?n Subject: Re: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Ian, I own both RX505 and ZX-7. And, I am disappointed in some respect of the RX505. It is a very good machine to play back tapes on it, but if you go for recording also, the ZX-7 is far better (in my opinion). It is very common nowadays that cassettes are different in quality, even the same batch produces some different results. In this case (according to my experience and opinion) rec head aligment and extensive calibration utilities are a must. Regarding spares I do not know anything, I have the ZX7 for some 8 years now, and the local service was always able to get the parts she needed (just common rubber parts). This deck is quite massive, it does not produce any faults if used regularly. Sorry for being so biased towards my ZX-7, but it is my personal experience. recording on a ZX and an RX are two different world. Maybe Mr. Bleus will give you some hints about his experience. Please keep in mind he gone for a ZX-9, so he was probably NOT disappointed with the performance of ZX-7. Regarding the wow-factor the ZX-7 is surely a boring machine compared to the RX505, but it is always a pleasure for me when the guys are not able to distinguish a recorded tape (ZX7) from the original source (usually CD). Hope I helped. If I were you, only the price and condition of the unit would decide. Do not fear of ZX-7. Very nice machine for a usually acceptable price. Kind regards, István (Hungary) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] Been offered a ZX-7 in excellent cond w/remote > Should I bother? Record on the ZX-7, playback on the > RX-505? I actually don't have ROOM for two decks in > the rack (well I do currently but when I get a good > turntable I won't)...but I'm tempted by azimuth > control and proper tape cal. > > What are parts like for the ZX-7 too? I've basically > tracked down everything that I need for the 505, but > if the ZX-7 is going to be a big hassle then... > > Anyone's thoughts and opinions and experiences on ZX-7 > rec/pb vs RX-505 and the sonic signature differences > would be MORE than welcome! > > Iain > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.co.za Tue Mar 15 18:50:10 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.co.za (drewes) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:50:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams References: <20050313061907.89200.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c52987$6f82e420$8bd417c4@home> Bala,There does seem to be any response to your posting.Do you have any reference for the replacement IC ? How available is it?Maybe one can finally have joy with these old master pieces! rgds Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams > Hi guys, > > While looking through a list of old computer > ICs, I came across the D5101 CMOS RAM IC. This Ic is > being used in much of the ZXE and ZXL decks I believe. > And they are a source of major letdown. Seems this IC > was also used in many pinball and early computer > circuits from 1977 thru 1989. Now there is a > replacement IC module which just plugs into the socket > of the IC, and it doesnt require batteries since it > writes into an internal EEPROM upon power down. > > Bala > --- TRANSPLATA at aol.com wrote: > > Try Mouser electronics for switches > > Regards, > > Jean-Pierre > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 15:40:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:40:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers In-Reply-To: <20050314173226.69588.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom Bala! Read this and for all who needs...will be extremely helpfully! http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/ttsetup.html Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) > >Thank You Alex, > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top >layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, >deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual >groove which holds the music. And critical alignment >ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with >the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a >times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. >They were misaligned and were not producing even half >the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can >produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed >into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently >mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and >crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I >mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, >protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the >cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She >had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the >Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss >stop and start between tracks on some records! > >Bala >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! > > > > 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you > > wrote is IMPERATIVE! > > > > As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is > > extremely ample..., > > after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately > > tuning/sep up turntables...I > > 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S > > NOISE REDUCTION"...is > > NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from > > 99% of my extremely > > large Lp records collection...are "Completely > > Silence"...thanks to my 100% > > Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). > > > > Happy Listening! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for > > LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or > > the condition of the > > >records. It is the condition of the playback. I had > > a sizeable number of my > > >records picked from streets and used goods shops. > > Previously with my Roksan > > >MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I > > upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the > > >click and pop was still there. After changing yet > > again to a VPI TNT 5, > > >12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead > > silent, I can hear the > > >hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the > > stylus, the alignment > > >(VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the > > record all must work > > >together. I think having done all that, up to 60% > > noise can be eliminated. > > >Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I > > think its pretty much > > >like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed > > clean and demagged. > > > > > > > > >PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too > > much of the clicks and > > >pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major > > factor here. > > > > > >"Kermit V. Gray" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >fripp_em wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. It's a bit rich for my > > blood, > > > > Packburn Audio Noise Suppressor Model 323A US$ > > > > 2,650.00, > > > > and it may be overkill for what I want. > > > > > >Yipes! Are they that expensive? > > > > > > > I don't plan > > > > on archiving 78s, just tranfer of LPs that have > > a pop > > > > and click here and there. > > > > > >The SAE 5000A will do that just fine. Also Burwen > > made a declicker that > > >is better than the SAE; don't remember the model. > > Garrard once made a > > >declicker that had a built-in phono preamp that was > > quite good, but alas > > >I don't remember its model number. (Not my day for > > remembering numbers.) > > > > > >-- > > >Kermit Gray > > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > >16371 Lake Point Drive > > >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > >USA > > >816-918-5058 cellphone > > >913-422-0957 business > > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > > for pro audio info > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From arichison at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 21:26:11 2005 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:26:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted questions! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050315202611.45878.qmail@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> on alot of teh nak decks like these a tiny screw driver is all you need to adjust the azumuth. yep, I can do it on my 481, or even the newer cr1 but..... then it is out of nak specs and in the consumers hands. andre --- Nelson wrote: > Just bare in mind the LX5 and ZX9 do NOT have > adjustable azimuth for play > back. The CR7 does, like the DR1. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ess Wiego > > Sent: 10 March 2005 03:50 > > To: Mhugo at sunint.co.za; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 and other assorted > questions! > > > > > > Wow, thank you for the welcome and the fascinating > information. The DR1 > > sounds like a relatively new deck. I would > imagine that a late > > model would > > be a nice commodity, if you are getting a > relatively new deck > > that's still > > high quality with playback azimuth. So, I have to > ask, from a playback > > perspective what do you get by stepping up to a > LX5, a CR7a, ZX9 > > or one of > > the other "premier" decks? > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > I am NOW switching to my new email account. Please write me at: TheAndre at gmail.com Andre Richison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 05:31:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:31:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Message-ID: 100% agree with you my lovely friend Bala...HOWEVER...concerning VTA...MUST be about 2-3 degrees LOWER..that 100% parallel! That concerns mostly if NOT always to Moving Coil types, Moving Magnet..the arm CAN BE 100% parallel! All others advices/parameters...are 100% correctly. Folks...Happy Listening BTW...Today I received my newer acquired "Vibrapod Cone" 4 pieces, to be use together with my 4 years in use "Vibrapods"...I will inform to all of you the results of this "Add On"...item!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 >01:24:01 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Ali, > > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. >Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, >balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is >going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it may >cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its definitely >not going to track right. > >Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an alignment >template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is Cart-A-Line. It allows >you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart is straight with respect >to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that the cart is not tilting to >either side, or pitching forward or backward. Tighten, just, the screws. >Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously its hard, but you can begin by >setting the cart body to be parellel with a stationary record. Then >increase a little from there. ) Next is to set the tracking weight. I tend >to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended tracking weight. Here, more is >better because lesser weight is going to wear out your records. > >Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people >have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until there >is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither should be too >outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this since record >thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its best to check the >tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend to change. You may have >to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a little to settle on something >you like. > >Bala >BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA and >other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and >pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! >It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid >of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE >GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! > >With Best Regards! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 10:56:48 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316095648.15394.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Walter, I'm at work, so this is all off-memory. I had been looking at the computing side of the 1000ZXL. The analogue op amps are either still available or better substitues have come out. Except for the actual microprocessors, of which there are two in this deck, most of the other components have modern, pin-compatible replacement. The most troublesome part has to be the memory chips. They are the older type which need constant power, without which they loose their data. A modern plug in module is available for this chip which actually takes the data and writes it into a modern EEPROM. So data retention is there, and no batteries are needed. This memory chip was used in many old pinball machines and other games. So many of these chips have failed which prompted the creation of this plug in module. I have the URL at home and I will post it here shortly. The other chips, like the logic gates, are of course still easy to get. The data latch is being made by a company called Intersil. This new chip has improved specs. So practically most of the computing circuit can be repaired except of course for the computing chip. I have the software flowchart and some programming details with me, and getting a modern USD1.00 to do the job isnt that hard. The valuable commodity here is time. So I think decks like the 1000ZXL, 700ZXE and their cousins which all use these devices do have some more years to go after all. Question is, are we willing to let our defences down and embrace that fact? Regards Bala drewes wrote: Bala,There does seem to be any response to your posting.Do you have any reference for the replacement IC ? How available is it?Maybe one can finally have joy with these old master pieces! rgds Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams > Hi guys, > > While looking through a list of old computer > ICs, I came across the D5101 CMOS RAM IC. This Ic is > being used in much of the ZXE and ZXL decks I believe. > And they are a source of major letdown. Seems this IC > was also used in many pinball and early computer > circuits from 1977 thru 1989. Now there is a > replacement IC module which just plugs into the socket > of the IC, and it doesnt require batteries since it > writes into an internal EEPROM upon power down. > > Bala > --- TRANSPLATA at aol.com wrote: > > Try Mouser electronics for switches > > Regards, > > Jean-Pierre > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 10:58:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:58:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050316095827.44624.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Yes MCs and MMS have a slightly different construction and do defer. But VTA is entirely up to musical taste. Vibrapods are really superb, and your SP9 will definitely benefit from it. Regards Bala Alex Cozac wrote: 100% agree with you my lovely friend Bala...HOWEVER...concerning VTA...MUST be about 2-3 degrees LOWER..that 100% parallel! That concerns mostly if NOT always to Moving Coil types, Moving Magnet..the arm CAN BE 100% parallel! All others advices/parameters...are 100% correctly. Folks...Happy Listening BTW...Today I received my newer acquired "Vibrapod Cone" 4 pieces, to be use together with my 4 years in use "Vibrapods"...I will inform to all of you the results of this "Add On"...item!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 >01:24:01 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Ali, > > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. >Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, >balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is >going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it may >cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its definitely >not going to track right. > >Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an alignment >template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is Cart-A-Line. It allows >you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart is straight with respect >to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that the cart is not tilting to >either side, or pitching forward or backward. Tighten, just, the screws. >Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously its hard, but you can begin by >setting the cart body to be parellel with a stationary record. Then >increase a little from there. ) Next is to set the tracking weight. I tend >to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended tracking weight. Here, more is >better because lesser weight is going to wear out your records. > >Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people >have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until there >is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither should be too >outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this since record >thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its best to check the >tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend to change. You may have >to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a little to settle on something >you like. > >Bala >BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA and >other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and >pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! >It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid >of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE >GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! > >With Best Regards! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 12:53:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:53:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Message-ID: Hi...Bala! I sent trough Gmail...the photos of from today in use "Cones"..instead the originally "Vibrapods"...you are extremely clever...nest month I will order 2 more cones, as already I use only 3 as a "Tripod"...one at the centre back on my table and two on the front..will do the same ...next month with my lovely ARC SP-9/2 control unit...I really hope that will be such improvement as it's now under my vintage Technics SL-120 table! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:58:27 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex, > > Yes MCs and MMS have a slightly different construction and do defer. >But VTA is entirely up to musical taste. Vibrapods are really superb, and >your SP9 will definitely benefit from it. > >Regards >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >100% agree with you my lovely friend Bala...HOWEVER...concerning VTA...MUST >be about 2-3 degrees LOWER..that 100% parallel! That concerns mostly if NOT >always to Moving Coil types, Moving Magnet..the arm CAN BE 100% parallel! >All others advices/parameters...are 100% correctly. > >Folks...Happy Listening > >BTW...Today I received my newer acquired "Vibrapod Cone" 4 pieces, to be >use >together with my 4 years in use "Vibrapods"...I will inform to all of you >the results of this "Add On"...item!!! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 > >01:24:01 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Ali, > > > > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. > >Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, > >balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is > >going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it >may > >cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its >definitely > >not going to track right. > > > >Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an alignment > >template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is Cart-A-Line. It allows > >you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart is straight with >respect > >to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that the cart is not tilting to > >either side, or pitching forward or backward. Tighten, just, the screws. > >Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously its hard, but you can begin >by > >setting the cart body to be parellel with a stationary record. Then > >increase a little from there. ) Next is to set the tracking weight. I >tend > >to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended tracking weight. Here, more is > >better because lesser weight is going to wear out your records. > > > >Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people > >have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until >there > >is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither should be >too > >outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this since record > >thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its best to check >the > >tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend to change. You may >have > >to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a little to settle on >something > >you like. > > > >Bala > >BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA >and > >other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying click and > >pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to cd players! > >It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set correctly to get rid > >of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE > >GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! > > > >With Best Regards! > >Ali > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fugue4all at shaw.ca Wed Mar 16 15:39:37 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:39:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 References: <200503161048.j2GAmQmn015611@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c52a35$fac0a690$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Hi, folks: It seems much of the discussion centres around finding a tonearm/cart combo that will track a different (clean) part of the groove walls for clear sound. While alignment plays a part, extreme damage is nigh impossible to correct with this approach. I personally use Sound Forge 6--there are some very useful (and well executed) plugins that are infinitely adjustable. They require some time and experimentation, but the results are better than the non-computer based units I've tinkered with in the past. FWIW, I "practise" with a CD of recordings of Moreschi (the last castrato)--the CD is a series of transcriptions of many different early formats. In my experience, it's always a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul--choices have to made as to the reduction/elimination of noise material vs. the sacrifice of some of the frequency/amplitude bandwidth it occupies. But the diddling has proved fruitful for successfully removing unwanted junk without much damage to the original sound. Best, Paul Dingle > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:40:30 +0000 > From: "Alex Cozac" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Shalom Bala! > > Read this and for all who needs...will be extremely helpfully! > > http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/ttsetup.html > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) > > > >Thank You Alex, > > > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > >layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > >deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > >groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > >ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > >the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > >times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > >They were misaligned and were not producing even half > >the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > >produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > >into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > >mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > >crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > >mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > >protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > >cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > >had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > >Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > >stop and start between tracks on some records! > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! > > > > > > 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you > > > wrote is IMPERATIVE! > > > > > > As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is > > > extremely ample..., > > > after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately > > > tuning/sep up turntables...I > > > 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S > > > NOISE REDUCTION"...is > > > NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from > > > 99% of my extremely > > > large Lp records collection...are "Completely > > > Silence"...thanks to my 100% > > > Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). > > > > > > Happy Listening! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 08:57:52 2005 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:57:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: Thks Tom for the lengthly but detailed procedures. I might try a simpler fix using some WD40 & some finger push-pull on the roller to try loosen it up. The disassembly job looks a little challenging.I'll see how it turns out . Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 17 01:10:01 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:10:01 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D959@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I'd advise against using the WD40, this will not loosen the pinch roller arm because the entire shaft needs to come out and be re-greased, the WD40 simply will not reach it and it may spread to other components in the mech making the deck even worse. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 6:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Thks Tom for the lengthly but detailed procedures. I might try a simpler fix using some WD40 & some finger push-pull on the roller to try loosen it up. The disassembly job looks a little challenging.I'll see how it turns out . Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 17 04:24:05 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:24:05 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk donation challenge Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D95C@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Done the same here too. Thanks Wouter for a great site. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk donation challenge Alright Gerald, I chipped in my $20. Challenge met... And thanks to Wouter for all his work. Fred On Mar 5, 2005, at 1:03 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. >> wrote: >> >>> Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a >>> generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with >>> you >>> all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on >>> average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I >>> "CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great >>> advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of >>> their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very >>> best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best it >>> can >>> be!! >>> >>> thank you very much, >>> gerald >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 16 17:17:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:17:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c52a43$aa7cacc0$eca24e51@oemcomputer> Wouldn't use WD40, not for lubrication. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of lee Sent: 17 March 2005 07:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Thks Tom for the lengthly but detailed procedures. I might try a simpler fix using some WD40 & some finger push-pull on the roller to try loosen it up. The disassembly job looks a little challenging.I'll see how it turns out . Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Wed Mar 16 19:33:48 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:33:48 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. Message-ID: <20050316183349.57224.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Istvan and Bleus. Speaking on the 505's record capabilities on their own - would a similar comparision be the recording capabilty of say an LX-5, or ZX-5, CR-5, BX-300 or MR1? Forgetting pitch control, all these decks are 3-head and only have a bias tune knob like the 505, but the rec head may be different (yes I could look it up and I'm sure they have different model numbers for the rec heads but I'm not sure which rec head is slightly superior/inferior) OR Is the RX-505's recording abilities beyond these decks but surpassed by the Dragon/ZX-7/9 and CR-7? I forgot the 681/82ZX. I just would like a "ballpark" idea of where the 505's recording status sits - because if it is above the less fancy 3-head decks but is merely surpassed by the decks such as the ZX-7/9 CR-7 Dragon then I'm perfectly happy with that - I'm not that overly fussed that I'd want a third Nak deck just to record on if generally the 505 records very well, but can be bettered a little. I know of the somewhat inaccurate metering on the 505, too. Iain PS thanks for bearing with me, if I had $$$$ to burn I'd just buy a CR-7 or Dragon or ZX-9 but I don't. YET ;-) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 20:52:03 2005 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:52:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tomas's website Message-ID: How do I long on to this website? Tomas's website at www.naks.mine.nu From Craig.jensen at TelosOK.com Wed Mar 16 22:50:14 2005 From: Craig.jensen at TelosOK.com (Jensen, Craig L) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:50:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C550636A2@corpx1.telosok.com> Hi Lee I spent the weekend working on a 600 II cassette deck. The idler pulley assembly was frozen in place. It took a long time using CLP (Cleaner, Lubricant, Preservative) used by the US Army and a lot of manipulation to work it free. The cleaning product I used is Break Free CLP-4. Here is a website advertising it. http://www.tadspoles.com/catalog/product_2150304_4_fl_oz_Cleaner_Lubricant_P reservative_liquid.html I use it on everything mechanical and especially if there is any rust or corrosion. It comes in small, medium and large drip bottles and with large spay cans (they usually come with a small plastic hose for pinpoint drop or spray). Craig _____ From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Thks Tom for the lengthly but detailed procedures. I might try a simpler fix using some WD40 & some finger push-pull on the roller to try loosen it up. The disassembly job looks a little challenging.I'll see how it turns out . Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Mar 17 01:29:23 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:29:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers Message-ID: <1d4.383808b4.2f6a2963@aol.com> HI Bala and Alex, Thanks! to both you guys! for great information on setting up the turntable correctly!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 01:55:19 2005 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:55:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with right meter on 660ZX Message-ID: <20050317005519.26031.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> The right meter on my 660ZX doesn't return all of the way when no signal and seems sluggish. Sound is fine. Could this be an easy fix? Thanks, fripp_em __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From flifton at mac.com Thu Mar 17 02:35:46 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:35:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] iPods and Naks In-Reply-To: <200503140811.j2E8AuQR029538@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503140811.j2E8AuQR029538@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dear Nakkers, Alright, I'll weigh in on this one. I think it's pointless to argue which format is "better", mp3 or cassette/vinyl. Why talk in these absolutes? They are tools suited to different jobs, like a hammer and a nail-gun. Yes, Kermit, mp3's sound like AM radio. And that's how I use 'em, like an old-fashioned AM radio stuck in shirt pocket the way granpa used to listen to ball-games. When I'm working on the house, wearing a crammed, filthy tool belt, running power-tools, going from room-to-room, my iPod lets me carry around a good chunk of my music collection and on shuffle, it's better, way better, than any of the local radio stations. I don't have to lug a boom-box from room to room and I don't have to wreck my tapes/CD's/albums by exposing them to a construction environment. That's what mp3's are for, taking music along when you're working or traveling or exercising. Now, when I want to sit back in my comfy chair, enjoy some "pie" and listen to the smoke curl around Stan Getz and Astrud Gilberto, I put the vinyl on my old '80's Luxman stack, turn it up and close my eyes. That's what analog systems are for: listening, just listening. Well, and recording too, of course. Problem is, most people are so bamboozled by advertising, etc. that they don't believe they know how to use or choose a tool. It's so much easier to just believe what you're told is the "best" and buy one of those. (We're guilty of it on this list when we argue about which format is "best.") It's so much work to learn how to use a tool correctly, especially an old hand- (aka, analog) tool. Learning a tool like an analog recorder always requires lots of practice and a little artistry. As for the kids (the podders), they'll figure it out eventually. They always do. We did. cheers, Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 04:11:06 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:11:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <000b01c52a35$fac0a690$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Message-ID: <20050317031106.88658.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Yes you are well justified on that approach. Here, for extreme cases, especially recordings from very worn out 78 rpms, I use Cool Edit Pro (now bought over by Adobe) and DART (Digital Audio Restoration Tool) to clean up the sound. Currently, I am using a 64-bit system running Fedora Linux and Audacity, which is more stable. I am experimenting to see if this yields better results soundwise. However, this whole alignment thing started when I had a talk with an old timer, who has since passed away.His advice was to correct the playback of my actual 78 before anything else. So, from there came a study of using 12-16 in arms, a real solid transcription tt, a proper 78 cart, alignment, electronics and so on. Of course I then went on to do my homework with standard LP playback and nipped the crackle and pop problem right where it happens - at the groove. In case I am wandering too off topic here, I better add that I transfer my 78 sources to TDK MA-X tape on a Nak 670-ZX. The Nak is then carried over to my system and used to playback the tape. Another super-critical factor is how clean the records are. I've seen records being much quieter and well behaved after a scrub and a clean using a RCM. Grime, grease and oils can accumalate on the groove and groove walls. To me, anti-stat brushes are just customary. Important is to get the record cleaned using a glycerin/soap solution, washed and dried, then cleaned using a Nitty-Gritty, or like me, a VPI 17. Feels like dolby just kicked in. Bala Fugue wrote: Hi, folks: It seems much of the discussion centres around finding a tonearm/cart combo that will track a different (clean) part of the groove walls for clear sound. While alignment plays a part, extreme damage is nigh impossible to correct with this approach. I personally use Sound Forge 6--there are some very useful (and well executed) plugins that are infinitely adjustable. They require some time and experimentation, but the results are better than the non-computer based units I've tinkered with in the past. FWIW, I "practise" with a CD of recordings of Moreschi (the last castrato)--the CD is a series of transcriptions of many different early formats. In my experience, it's always a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul--choices have to made as to the reduction/elimination of noise material vs. the sacrifice of some of the frequency/amplitude bandwidth it occupies. But the diddling has proved fruitful for successfully removing unwanted junk without much damage to the original sound. Best, Paul Dingle > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:40:30 +0000 > From: "Alex Cozac" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Shalom Bala! > > Read this and for all who needs...will be extremely helpfully! > > http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/ttsetup.html > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) > > > >Thank You Alex, > > > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > >layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > >deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > >groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > >ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > >the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > >times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > >They were misaligned and were not producing even half > >the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > >produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > >into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > >mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > >crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > >mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > >protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > >cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > >had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > >Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > >stop and start between tracks on some records! > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! > > > > > > 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you > > > wrote is IMPERATIVE! > > > > > > As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is > > > extremely ample..., > > > after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately > > > tuning/sep up turntables...I > > > 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S > > > NOISE REDUCTION"...is > > > NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from > > > 99% of my extremely > > > large Lp records collection...are "Completely > > > Silence"...thanks to my 100% > > > Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). > > > > > > Happy Listening! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 17 04:41:15 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:41:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D959@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D959@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <4238FC5B.1060306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I'd advise against using the WD40, this will not loosen the pinch roller > arm because the entire shaft needs to come out and be re-greased, the > WD40 simply will not reach it and it may spread to other components in > the mech making the deck even worse. Oh, so right! WD40 can cause more problems than it solves with precision machines like a Nak. NOTE: I'm upgrading my server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 17 04:53:45 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:53:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4238FF49.8050902@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Matthew, Matthew Rogers wrote: > I don't think it's possible to ever make mp3s sound quite as good as > analog or high end digital. Agreed. BUT it can be enhanced a bit, perhaps. My admittedly non expert theory on this is > that compressing the waveforms destroys the spatial information and > makes the recording sound literally flat. It is possible to boost the > bass with an equalizer and restore frequency response but the spatial > information is destroyed and can never be replaced. Any experts here > think I'm just out lunch on this one? Dead on! What I envision is exploiting some studio tricks to make them sound less awful, like: adding even-order harmonics to give MP3s a richness they otherwise lack, using a shuffler to widen the spatial image, and using a dynamic range expander to undo some of the compression. BIG QUESTION: Is it worth the effort? > How can I hold this theory and > also listen to mp3s piped through my system? Simple the mp3s are > background music for web surfing or other tasks. When I’m multitasking > just hearing a familiar tune is good enough to make me happy. Well, again, my approach to listening is atypical -- I don't multitask, and I do not listen to music as "background." If I listen to music I immerse myself in it, revelling in every subtlety and nuance, letting it wash over my soul, taking over my emotions until I become whatever the music is. I'm so connected to music that I cannot push it into the background. Music, once it begins to play, begs me to focus on it, it distracts and beckons me until I stop the non-music activity and sit down for a serious listen. So, I cannot have music on in the background. ~~~~~ NOTE: I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 17 05:07:17 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:07:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <74.4f842ab0.2f673805@aol.com> References: <74.4f842ab0.2f673805@aol.com> Message-ID: <42390275.2070407@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ali, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA > and other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying > click and pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to > cd players! It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set > correctly to get rid of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) > THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! ACTUALLY, I've been learning a lot on this topic from Bala's posts. My experience with LPs has been on the cutting side. Somehow I don't think many on the list have record lathes. I don't. I thought about buying a used Scully automatic record lathe, but I know I'd go barking mad tweaking it. Buy an Adamant cutter stylus, rewind the Westrex cutter head coils (and all signal cables) with silver Litz wire, get Rolls-Royce to custom-machine the lead screw and platter axle, shock isolate the vacuum chip pickup, lab-grade stylus heater controller, air bearings for the platter, custom platter made of a constrained layer construction using carbon fibre, granite and sorbothane; and a 1,000-watt per channel OTL valve/tube cutter amplifier using FM transmitter tubes on the outputs...to start with. ~~~~~ NOTE: I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 06:15:07 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050317051507.80211.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> I agree WD-40 won't work. Try something thiner like >99% alcohol, acetone (don't get it on anything plastic, lighter fluid (not the butane stuff) or MEK. My favorite is 1,1,1 trichloethylene, but, that stuff was outlawed years ago. You want to try and get the hardened grease out without resorting to removing the shaft because the alignment when you put it back will not be exactly right without the proper jigs. --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I'd advise against using the WD40, this will not loosen the pinch > roller arm > because the entire shaft needs to come out and be re-greased, the > WD40 > simply will not reach it and it may spread to other components in > the mech > making the deck even worse. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 6:58 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX > > > Thks Tom for the lengthly but detailed procedures. I might try a > simpler fix > using some WD40 & some finger push-pull on the roller to try loosen > it up. > The disassembly job looks a little challenging.I'll see how it > turns out . > Cheers > Lee > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 17 05:23:46 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:23:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <20050315092401.55318.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050315092401.55318.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42390652.2020600@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, I've added this wonderful info to my ever-growing technical library. Wonderful addition! You've gotten me to finally set about tweaking my Dual 1249 turntable with its Shure V-15 Type III and Stanton 681EEE cartridges and begin fine tuning both the alignment and the VTA. (OK, stop laughing guys, it's actually a pretty decent turntable....) To my delight, the effect of surface noise IS reduced by obsessing over cartridge alignment. Sometimes, it's the simple fixes that are the best. Optimum turntable setup beats electronic processing in this instance. This got me to thinking. A comp;anmy called Expert Pickups, PO Box 3, Ashtead, Surrey, England KT21-2QD specializes in stylus retipping and in custom styli. I've heard their truncated elliptical styli for Stanton 500 and 681 cartridges. These are used in sound archives. The truncated elliptical stylus shape keeps the stylus from tracking the very bottom of the groove, where much of the accumulated grunge and dirt is found, reducing playback noise. Also, the stylus rides off the shoulder of the groove lower into the wall where traditional styli don't contact as much, and thus is the part of the groove that is the least worn. SO, a truncated elliptical stylus and careful alignment, follwing Bala's suggestions, should greatly improve the clarity and quietness of an LP. Yes? Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or the condition of the records. It is the condition of the playback. I had a sizeable number of my records picked from streets and used goods shops. Previously with my Roksan MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the click and pop was still there. After changing yet again to a VPI TNT 5, 12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead silent, I can hear the hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the stylus, the alignment (VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the record all must work together. I think having done all that, up to 60% noise can be eliminated. Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I think its pretty much like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed clean and demagged. > > > PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too much of the clicks and pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major factor here. ...and ... > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > They were misaligned and were not producing even half > the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > stop and start between tracks on some records! ...and... > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. > Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, > balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is > going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it > may cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its > definitely not going to track right. > > Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an > alignment template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is > Cart-A-Line. It allows you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart > is straight with respect to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that > the cart is not tilting to either side, or pitching forward or backward. > Tighten, just, the screws. Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously > its hard, but you can begin by setting the cart body to be parellel with > a stationary record. Then increase a little from there. ) Next is to set > the tracking weight. I tend to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended > tracking weight. Here, more is better because lesser weight is going to > wear out your records. > > Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people > have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until > there is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither > should be too outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this > since record thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its > best to check the tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend > to change. You may have to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a > little to settle on something you like. ~~~~~ NOTE: I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Mar 17 07:04:10 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 1:04:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk donation challenge Message-ID: <20050317060412.JJRA3789.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I just donated what I could afford to do and not related to the amount of information I receive from this forum. There is truly a lot to enjoy!! > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed PM 10:24:05 EST > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk donation challenge > > Done the same here too. Thanks Wouter for a great site. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] > Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk donation challenge > > > Alright Gerald, I chipped in my $20. Challenge met... > And thanks to Wouter for all his work. > Fred > > > On Mar 5, 2005, at 1:03 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0600, Gerald G. > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi,folks its nearly SPRING in TEXAS,and that means itis time for a > >>> generous contribution to NALTALK!!I am going to be very honest with > >>> you > >>> all. I make only 15 dollars an hour working 20 hours a week on > >>> average.This Spring i will contribute 25.00 to the NAKTALK- .I > >>> "CHALLENGE" many of you who use this forum year around for such great > >>> advice and entertainment,to donate a similar portion or pecentage of > >>> their income( i donate three times a year) to help maintain the very > >>> best Nakamichi site ! We can all make the NAKTALK the very best it > >>> can > >>> be!! > >>> > >>> thank you very much, > >>> gerald > >>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 10:41:37 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:41:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. References: <20050316183349.57224.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Iain, all I wrote some days before, is my personal opinion. I do know nothing about the decks you mentiones, I never tried any of them (I am stocked with four Naks, that is more than enough for me). My experience is that MY RX505 and ZX-7 are very different as far as their recording capabilities concerned. In my opinion a rec head tuning is a very useful thing, as I make my records to myself (on the ZX7) I think it to be more useful than playback head tuning. It is utterly important if you use different sort of cassettes, which maybe have different azimuth-error. Very few cassettes are correct regarding their azimuth-error. I usually HAVE TO tune rec head while calibration... you cannot do it with an RX. That's all I can say, but I am eager to get some impression from the others if they have similar/different experiences. Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. > Thanks Istvan and Bleus. > > Speaking on the 505's record capabilities on their own > - would a similar comparision be the recording > capabilty of say an LX-5, or ZX-5, CR-5, BX-300 or > MR1? Forgetting pitch control, all these decks are > 3-head and only have a bias tune knob like the 505, > but the rec head may be different (yes I could look it > up and I'm sure they have different model numbers for > the rec heads but I'm not sure which rec head is > slightly superior/inferior) > > OR > > Is the RX-505's recording abilities beyond these decks > but surpassed by the Dragon/ZX-7/9 and CR-7? > > I forgot the 681/82ZX. > > I just would like a "ballpark" idea of where the 505's > recording status sits - because if it is above the > less fancy 3-head decks but is merely surpassed by the > decks such as the ZX-7/9 CR-7 Dragon then I'm > perfectly happy with that - I'm not that overly fussed > that I'd want a third Nak deck just to record on if > generally the 505 records very well, but can be > bettered a little. I know of the somewhat inaccurate > metering on the 505, too. > > Iain > > PS thanks for bearing with me, if I had $$$$ to burn > I'd just buy a CR-7 or Dragon or ZX-9 but I don't. > YET ;-) > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 17 10:46:52 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak R to R? Message-ID: I am travelling at the moment, and last evening, during dinner one of the guest was talking "Nakamichi" and out of the blue, I was offered a Nakamichi 77D? It was described as a Studio quality 10.5 inch capacity reel to reel recorder, said to be in very good working order - but a 100 volt 60 hz only machine. I would assume by this that it was manufactured for the Japanese home market only, half track - high speed? I collect reel to reel as well as cassette machines and as I did not realise that Nakamichi made r to r machines. I really want this machine for my collection of Naks! The only problem is that it is in another country, a fair air trip away! before I travel to see it I really would like some information about these machines. As I am travelling I don't have much chance to get on the net to do a long search for this information. Can any of you guys shed some light on this R77D machine? all I know is that it is a vertical deck, finished in gold? working with some spare parts included, taken from a defunct radio station and at a very fair price! A fast response would be appreciated as time is not on my side! Thanks Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 10:58:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:58:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <42390652.2020600@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050317095823.68435.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> My pleasure Kermit! I use a truncated stylus for my Stanton 500 during 78 playback. After discovering MC playback, there's been no going back to MM for me, although a minor side hobby is to collect old MM carts and listen. I am no cartridge expert, but I feel that the other end of the cantilever is loaded with heavier magnets and thus its tracking will be just different. Light coils however mean a very different cart behaviour. The quietest cart I used was the Lyra Helikon. This one uses a Ogura PA line-contact styli. Its a slight departure from the usual types used. But coupled with that are many other important areas, like the cantilever suspension, the magnet structure, the overall body. Why? All this combines to dictate how the cart will ride on the groove, how it will sit, and how it will behave under dynamic conditions. I just simply liken in to the way the Nak playback heads are designed. I just posted about cleanliness of the record. To say that there is dirt and grunge down there and let the stylus ride higher, doesnt sound attractive to me. And the contamination on the groove walls, like oils. Here is a webpage that describes in good detail about how the designers tackle the problem of damaged or worn records. http://www.lyraaudio.com/Helikon.htm The Dual IS a good tt, and the 681EE has been passed to me from my dad. So you have a very good setup there. I also have a Stanton 987LZ whose stylus broke. Anyone has any spares? BTW, what arm are you using Kerm? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, I've added this wonderful info to my ever-growing technical library. Wonderful addition! You've gotten me to finally set about tweaking my Dual 1249 turntable with its Shure V-15 Type III and Stanton 681EEE cartridges and begin fine tuning both the alignment and the VTA. (OK, stop laughing guys, it's actually a pretty decent turntable....) To my delight, the effect of surface noise IS reduced by obsessing over cartridge alignment. Sometimes, it's the simple fixes that are the best. Optimum turntable setup beats electronic processing in this instance. This got me to thinking. A comp;anmy called Expert Pickups, PO Box 3, Ashtead, Surrey, England KT21-2QD specializes in stylus retipping and in custom styli. I've heard their truncated elliptical styli for Stanton 500 and 681 cartridges. These are used in sound archives. The truncated elliptical stylus shape keeps the stylus from tracking the very bottom of the groove, where much of the accumulated grunge and dirt is found, reducing playback noise. Also, the stylus rides off the shoulder of the groove lower into the wall where traditional styli don't contact as much, and thus is the part of the groove that is the least worn. SO, a truncated elliptical stylus and careful alignment, follwing Bala's suggestions, should greatly improve the clarity and quietness of an LP. Yes? Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or the condition of the records. It is the condition of the playback. I had a sizeable number of my records picked from streets and used goods shops. Previously with my Roksan MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the click and pop was still there. After changing yet again to a VPI TNT 5, 12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead silent, I can hear the hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the stylus, the alignment (VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the record all must work together. I think having done all that, up to 60% noise can be eliminated. Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I think its pretty much like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed clean and demagged. > > > PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too much of the clicks and pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major factor here. ...and ... > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > They were misaligned and were not producing even half > the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > stop and start between tracks on some records! ...and... > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. > Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, > balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is > going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it > may cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its > definitely not going to track right. > > Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an > alignment template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is > Cart-A-Line. It allows you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart > is straight with respect to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that > the cart is not tilting to either side, or pitching forward or backward. > Tighten, just, the screws. Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously > its hard, but you can begin by setting the cart body to be parellel with > a stationary record. Then increase a little from there. ) Next is to set > the tracking weight. I tend to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended > tracking weight. Here, more is better because lesser weight is going to > wear out your records. > > Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people > have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until > there is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither > should be too outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this > since record thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its > best to check the tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend > to change. You may have to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a > little to settle on something you like. ~~~~~ NOTE: I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 11:02:30 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:02:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050317100230.66414.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Do that, and I'll be your first customer in line. But would OTL amps be great for driving the head? I think Nakathon III and IV could come out in vinyl editions too! Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Ali, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Fellow Nakkers! Does any one here know how to get the turntable VTA > and other things adjusted correctly so one dont hear those annoying > click and pops noises! which is one of the reason everyone switched to > cd players! It sure would be GREAT!! if the turntable can be set > correctly to get rid of these noises , maybe Kermint knows how?!!!:) > THANKS!!! ALWAYS!! TO THE GREAT!!!!:) KERMIT! ACTUALLY, I've been learning a lot on this topic from Bala's posts. My experience with LPs has been on the cutting side. Somehow I don't think many on the list have record lathes. I don't. I thought about buying a used Scully automatic record lathe, but I know I'd go barking mad tweaking it. Buy an Adamant cutter stylus, rewind the Westrex cutter head coils (and all signal cables) with silver Litz wire, get Rolls-Royce to custom-machine the lead screw and platter axle, shock isolate the vacuum chip pickup, lab-grade stylus heater controller, air bearings for the platter, custom platter made of a constrained layer construction using carbon fibre, granite and sorbothane; and a 1,000-watt per channel OTL valve/tube cutter amplifier using FM transmitter tubes on the outputs...to start with. ~~~~~ NOTE: I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 17 11:46:07 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:46:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <20050317031106.88658.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great advice! I've always looked at record noise problems this way. You really have to be very, very careful with the turntable set-up (remember, the stylus is really a chisel!!) and also the record surface. My answer is to use a Garrard 401 and an SME 3012 (a very British set up!!) fitted with whatever cartridge I favour at that point in time! I find setting up the hardware very time consuming and so I sometimes revert to using a ReVox turntable as is. This approach gets the setting up problem out of the way! The ReVox is factory set during its services (yearly - a must!!) using its standard cartridge, Ortofon VMS 30e. The results are really very good, very little surface noise with no need for all those complicated adjustments! and because of the way it tracks this set up covers the whole playing surface. I have never had much success with this cartridge in a standard arm as setting it up is a nightmare!! Please note I would not recommend anyone to go out an get a second-hand ReVox turntable!! If it is not "perfect" and set up well with a compatible cartridge ( it wont tolerate most MCs!), its an awful beast!! it will also cause disastrous damage to your records (and your stlus!) if it isn't performing at its best!! I also take great care with my records! I've has plenty of experience over the years and keeping the groove completely free of dirt and grime is the key. I do have a Keith Monks cleaning machine that I use only once on my brought in records. I then find that good storage and gentle cleaning with a decent lint free "clean" cloth and extreme care when playing is all that is necessary. I have also tried de-clickers, and I still own a few!, but I find they add more than they take away! My most important advice is to BACK UP the recording onto whatever format you use!! Accidents can and do happen and I have yet to find an effective way to remove a scratch from the record surface!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 17 March 2005 03:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 [Colin Marsh] Hi Paul, Yes you are well justified on that approach. Here, for extreme cases, especially recordings from very worn out 78 rpms, I use Cool Edit Pro (now bought over by Adobe) and DART (Digital Audio Restoration Tool) to clean up the sound. Currently, I am using a 64-bit system running Fedora Linux and Audacity, which is more stable. I am experimenting to see if this yields better results soundwise. However, this whole alignment thing started when I had a talk with an old timer, who has since passed away.His advice was to correct the playback of my actual 78 before anything else. So, from there came a study of using 12-16 in arms, a real solid transcription tt, a proper 78 cart, alignment, electronics and so on. Of course I then went on to do my homework with standard LP playback and nipped the crackle and pop problem right where it happens - at the groove. In case I am wandering too off topic here, I better add that I transfer my! 78 sources to TDK MA-X tape on a Nak 670-ZX. The Nak is then carried over to my system and used to playback the tape. Another super-critical factor is how clean the records are. I've seen records being much quieter and well behaved after a scrub and a clean using a RCM. Grime, grease and oils can accumalate on the groove and groove walls. To me, anti-stat brushes are just customary. Important is to get the record cleaned using a glycerin/soap solution, washed and dried, then cleaned using a Nitty-Gritty, or like me, a VPI 17. Feels like dolby just kicked in. Bala Fugue wrote: Hi, folks: It seems much of the discussion centres around finding a tonearm/cart combo that will track a different (clean) part of the groove walls for clear sound. While alignment plays a part, extreme damage is nigh impossible to correct with this approach. I personally use Sound Forge 6--there are some very useful (and well executed) plugins that are infinitely adjustable. They require some time and experimentation, but the results are better than the non-computer based units I've tinkered with in the past. FWIW, I "practise" with a CD of recordings of Moreschi (the last castrato)--the CD is a series of transcriptions of many different early formats. In my experience, it's always a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul--choices have to made as to the reduction/elimination of noise material vs. the sacrifice of some of the frequency/amplitude bandwidth it occupies. But the diddling has proved fruitful for successfully removing unwanted junk without much damage to the original sound. Best, Paul Dingle > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:40:30 +0000 > From: "Alex Cozac" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Shalom Bala! > > Read this and for all who needs...will be extremely helpfully! > > http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/ttsetup.html > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) > > > >Thank You Alex, > > > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > >layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > >deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > >groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > >ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > >the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > >times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > >They were misaligned and were not producing even half > >the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > >produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > >into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > >mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > >crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > >mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > >protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > >cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > >had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > >Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > >stop and start between tracks on some records! > > > >Bala > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! > > > > > > 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you > > > wrote is IMPERATIVE! > > > > > > As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is > > > extremely ample..., > > > after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately > > > tuning/sep up turntables...I > > > 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S > > > NOISE REDUCTION"...is > > > NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from > > > 99% of my extremely > > > large Lp records collection...are "Completely > > > Silence"...thanks to my 100% > > > Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). > > > > > > Happy Listening! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ALEX! >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:29:23 EST > >HI Bala and Alex, Thanks! to both you guys! for great information on >setting >up the turntable correctly!! > >With Best Regards! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 17 14:09:55 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:09:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request? Message-ID: I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 17 14:48:54 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:48:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Frozen Pinch Roller & no WD40 (how to fix it) In-Reply-To: <20050317051507.80211.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050317051507.80211.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42398AC6.7020806@snet.net> Okay, don't want to pull the deck apart? If the pinch roller is not too seized up, there is a possibility that it can be done without removal. Stephen Sank helped me with this once and what you want to do is to work the arm up and down while also pushing it toward the back of the cassette well. It's mounted on a pin with a pressure spring behind it so there is the possibility of back and forth travel. Once you have the arm pushed back a little bit, apply a tiny bit of a safe solvent to the shaft and then work the arm forward and up and down to get it to start penetrating and breaking down the glue (er, I mean grease). You will have to repeat this process anywhere from 5 to 25 times in order to get free movement of the arm and it doesn't always work at all. I've had tow 58x series that took to this method while the third one required pulling the shafts. Ed From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Mar 17 15:38:32 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:38:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON FINALLY back, stuff for sale. In-Reply-To: <1d4.383808b4.2f6a2963@aol.com> References: <1d4.383808b4.2f6a2963@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050317091832.019dbcf8@psulias.psu.edu> After 8 weeks at the shop, my newly purchased DRAGON was ready to roll! New belts, counter and light. Thorough cleaning, aligning, demagnetizing and tested (only $100 locally too). What a big step up from the venerable CR-5 even. Much better separation of instruments, deeper soundstage and thunderous bass. Hopefully I'll get to do some recording tonight. I've also got the opportunity to purchase a 1970 Trans Am for a very good price, so I have to move every non-essential piece of stereo equipment I have. Now that the Dragon is back I am finally going to do that. So last chance before Audiogon... CR-5, cosmetics nice, weak RW/FF but it does work. New idler tire and 4 spares. Everything else works fine. $350 Yamaha KX-690 - HX Pro, Dolby S (which DOES work much better than Dolby B on Dolby B only decks), 3 head, 3 motor, dual cap. Infrared Remote. Orig box and manual. $250 NuReality SRS Home Theater 3-D sound processor. Get 3-D sound from 2 speakers, based on the Hughes SRS processor. Works very nicely and is in excellent condition. Philips SACD/DVD player has a SRS built in, so I'm parting with this one. $75 Soundcraftsmen 10x2 band EQ with +/- 12db. some scratches on top, works fine. $25 BSR 3000 EQ. 10x2 band EQ +/-15db. Noise generator, Line/tape1/tape2 inputs. Spectrum analyzer with peak hold and individual L and R channels. Works but has some scratchy pots and needs a good cleaning. Really sweet EQ though. $75 Have an old Mitsubish tank-like VCR. Hi-fi Stereo made before the copy protection chips that modern VCRs have. Bought it about 3 years ago totally refurbished (from the same place that did my Dragon) and used it until a few months ago. Will test out before shipping. Thing weighs about 20 pounds and has nice picture and terrific sound. I swear my Mitsubishi VCRs and still have two others that I'll keep. $50 and it'll probably last for decades. Have pictures and details for those interested. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Thu Mar 17 16:00:14 2005 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:00:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: <4238FF49.8050902@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <200503171458.j2HEwSIh019966@zxe.naks.com> Kermit, You ideas on improving mp3s are quite radical - I wish well in pursuing those goals, and would be interested in any results. Not quite so radical is the choice of bitrate and encoder for creating mp3s - it should be known that not all mp3s are created equal. What we download we have no control over, but those we create ourselves we can do something about. So choosing an encoder like LAME, and using high quality settings with variable bit rate (up to 320), can make a degree of difference. A good player (e.g. i-river)and good headphones (e.g. etymotic) also helps. See any comparisons to taping? You should! Good quality components, with good sources can make a heck of a difference. Makes my commute almost bearable. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 17 March 2005 03:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes Hi Matthew, Matthew Rogers wrote: > I don't think it's possible to ever make mp3s sound quite as good as > analog or high end digital. Agreed. BUT it can be enhanced a bit, perhaps. My admittedly non expert theory on this is > that compressing the waveforms destroys the spatial information and > makes the recording sound literally flat. It is possible to boost the > bass with an equalizer and restore frequency response but the spatial > information is destroyed and can never be replaced. Any experts here > think I'm just out lunch on this one? Dead on! What I envision is exploiting some studio tricks to make them sound less awful, like: adding even-order harmonics to give MP3s a richness they otherwise lack, using a shuffler to widen the spatial image, and using a dynamic range expander to undo some of the compression. BIG QUESTION: Is it worth the effort? > How can I hold this theory and > also listen to mp3s piped through my system? Simple the mp3s are > background music for web surfing or other tasks. When I'm multitasking > just hearing a familiar tune is good enough to make me happy. Well, again, my approach to listening is atypical -- I don't multitask, and I do not listen to music as "background." If I listen to music I immerse myself in it, revelling in every subtlety and nuance, letting it wash over my soul, taking over my emotions until I become whatever the music is. I'm so connected to music that I cannot push it into the background. Music, once it begins to play, begs me to focus on it, it distracts and beckons me until I stop the non-music activity and sit down for a serious listen. So, I cannot have music on in the background. ~~~~~ NOTE: I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 18:44:08 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050317174408.79713.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Sonic signature of various Naks can be different due to Play circuit and Dolby chip variations while their record circuits produce almost similar results ( based on my personal experience) If you have the ability to tune bias and level together as well as Head azimuth alignment ( like ZX 7) you always get perfect recording on any type /brand of cassette. However I found RX 505 can record wonderfully if the recorder is tuned for a that specific tape and heads are aligned. Sonic signature is lsightly different from ZX but RX can sound like Dragon - for only those tapes recorded on it because the play circuit elements are exactly same. I would definitely like to add an RX 505 to my collection. only problem for those who do not posses the tools necessary to calibrate - RX is not adjustable like ZX 7 and hence an used Rx with misalignment can be disappointing Kannan S�ndor Istv�n wrote: Dear Iain, all I wrote some days before, is my personal opinion. I do know nothing about the decks you mentiones, I never tried any of them (I am stocked with four Naks, that is more than enough for me). My experience is that MY RX505 and ZX-7 are very different as far as their recording capabilities concerned. In my opinion a rec head tuning is a very useful thing, as I make my records to myself (on the ZX7) I think it to be more useful than playback head tuning. It is utterly important if you use different sort of cassettes, which maybe have different azimuth-error. Very few cassettes are correct regarding their azimuth-error. I usually HAVE TO tune rec head while calibration... you cannot do it with an RX. That's all I can say, but I am eager to get some impression from the others if they have similar/different experiences. Kind regards, Istv�n ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. > Thanks Istvan and Bleus. > > Speaking on the 505's record capabilities on their own > - would a similar comparision be the recording > capabilty of say an LX-5, or ZX-5, CR-5, BX-300 or > MR1? Forgetting pitch control, all these decks are > 3-head and only have a bias tune knob like the 505, > but the rec head may be different (yes I could look it > up and I'm sure they have different model numbers for > the rec heads but I'm not sure which rec head is > slightly superior/inferior) > > OR > > Is the RX-505's recording abilities beyond these decks > but surpassed by the Dragon/ZX-7/9 and CR-7? > > I forgot the 681/82ZX. > > I just would like a "ballpark" idea of where the 505's > recording status sits - because if it is above the > less fancy 3-head decks but is merely surpassed by the > decks such as the ZX-7/9 CR-7 Dragon then I'm > perfectly happy with that - I'm not that overly fussed > that I'd want a third Nak deck just to record on if > generally the 505 records very well, but can be > bettered a little. I know of the somewhat inaccurate > metering on the 505, too. > > Iain > > PS thanks for bearing with me, if I had $$$$ to burn > I'd just buy a CR-7 or Dragon or ZX-9 but I don't. > YET ;-) > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 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Tom. -----Original Message----- From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem with right meter on 660ZX The right meter on my 660ZX doesn't return all of the way when no signal and seems sluggish. Sound is fine. Could this be an easy fix? Thanks, fripp_em __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 17 22:48:31 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D960@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> That's a fair point Scott. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 4:15 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX You want to try and get the hardened grease out without resorting to removing the shaft because the alignment when you put it back will not be exactly right without the proper jigs. From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Mar 18 07:41:49 2005 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:41:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] JVC TD-W354 Dubbing cassette deck at Crutchfield.com Message-ID: <3954-423A782D-3286@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks,how are you:I'm doing just fine.I would like to ask thee Greatest Naltalkers for some friendly advice concerning this machine -the JVC TDW354.Is this the poor mans CR7- OR EVEN dR-1? for a couple of hundred US dollars,I can bring home this unit. To quote the page word for word ,it features" COMPU CALIBRATION SYSTEM"..."load a tape,press a button,and in les than 20 seconds the deck adjusts bias,EQ,and sensitivity for the best possible recording of that specific tape...dolby B and C keep your music clean,while HX PRO lets you record at "hotter" levels with less distorion"- it also features variable pitch control(whatever that is).It has "MIC MIX"input ,something great for mono sound on sound recording project for the upcoming showcase of Naktalk musicians,of which i would also hope to submit a selection.This would keep the sound in the analg domain,becase i know the cd machines are now down under 500.00-some very nice ones with direct line in modeling features.here are the specs on the TDW_354..."Frequency responce is 30,000 to 16,000 ..wow and flutter is 0.08%.QUESTION -what is best for recording home "studio " demos, a sound on sound machine like this one or a cheap Tascam multi-track unit with mixer(also about 200.00 entry level)?Did you guys know that "MUSICIANS FRIEND.COM" has special TDK SM_30 casettes,which are offered as "multi-track master tapes" .."designed specifically for use with 4-tracks.extermey high quality type II,highbias tape..2.99" thank you very much, gerald -------------- next part -------------- http://www.crutchfield.com/I-rPI1c85O/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=111TDW354 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 17:23:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:23:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with right meter on 660ZX In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050317162326.35697.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> You've got a bad cap on the meter circuit. Bala --- fripp_em wrote: > The right meter on my 660ZX doesn't return all of > the > way when no signal and seems sluggish. Sound is > fine. > Could this be an easy fix? > > Thanks, > fripp_em > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 17:52:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:52:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shalom to all of you..., a correction!!!! >after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately >tuning/sep up turntables...! NOT 54 only 4 decades...Sorry!!! Thank's! ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:46:07 -0000 > >Great advice! I've always looked at record noise problems this way. You >really have to be very, very careful with the turntable set-up (remember, >the stylus is really a chisel!!) and also the record surface. My answer >is >to use a Garrard 401 and an SME 3012 (a very British set up!!) fitted with >whatever cartridge I favour at that point in time! I find setting up the >hardware very time consuming and so I sometimes revert to using a ReVox >turntable as is. This approach gets the setting up problem out of the way! >The ReVox is factory set during its services (yearly - a must!!) using its >standard cartridge, Ortofon VMS 30e. The results are really very good, >very >little surface noise with no need for all those complicated adjustments! >and >because of the way it tracks this set up covers the whole playing surface. >I have never had much success with this cartridge in a standard arm as >setting it up is a nightmare!! Please note I would not recommend anyone to >go out an get a second-hand ReVox turntable!! If it is not "perfect" and >set up well with a compatible cartridge ( it wont tolerate most MCs!), its >an awful beast!! it will also cause disastrous damage to your records (and >your stlus!) if it isn't performing at its best!! >I also take great care with my records! I've has plenty of experience over >the years and keeping the groove completely free of dirt and grime is the >key. I do have a Keith Monks cleaning machine that I use only once on my >brought in records. I then find that good storage and gentle cleaning with >a decent lint free "clean" cloth and extreme care when playing is all that >is necessary. I have also tried de-clickers, and I still own a few!, but >I >find they add more than they take away! My most important advice is to >BACK >UP the recording onto whatever format you use!! Accidents can and do >happen >and I have yet to find an effective way to remove a scratch from the record >surface!! > >Colin > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] >Sent: 17 March 2005 03:11 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 > >[Colin Marsh] > > Hi Paul, > > Yes you are well justified on that approach. Here, for extreme >cases, especially recordings from very worn out 78 rpms, I use Cool Edit >Pro >(now bought over by Adobe) and DART (Digital Audio Restoration Tool) to >clean up the sound. Currently, I am using a 64-bit system running Fedora >Linux and Audacity, which is more stable. I am experimenting to see if this >yields better results soundwise. However, this whole alignment thing >started >when I had a talk with an old timer, who has since passed away.His advice >was to correct the playback of my actual 78 before anything else. So, from >there came a study of using 12-16 in arms, a real solid transcription tt, a >proper 78 cart, alignment, electronics and so on. Of course I then went on >to do my homework with standard LP playback and nipped the crackle and pop >problem right where it happens - at the groove. In case I am wandering too >off topic here, I better add that I transfer my! 78 sources to TDK MA-X >tape >on a Nak 670-ZX. The Nak is then carried over to my system and used to >playback the tape. > > Another super-critical factor is how clean the records are. I've seen >records being much quieter and well behaved after a scrub and a clean using >a RCM. Grime, grease and oils can accumalate on the groove and groove >walls. >To me, anti-stat brushes are just customary. Important is to get the record >cleaned using a glycerin/soap solution, washed and dried, then cleaned >using >a Nitty-Gritty, or like me, a VPI 17. Feels like dolby just kicked in. > > Bala > > Fugue wrote: > Hi, folks: > > It seems much of the discussion centres around finding a tonearm/cart >combo > that will track a different (clean) part of the groove walls for clear > sound. While alignment plays a part, extreme damage is nigh impossible >to > correct with this approach. > > I personally use Sound Forge 6--there are some very useful (and well > executed) plugins that are infinitely adjustable. They require some >time > and experimentation, but the results are better than the non-computer >based > units I've tinkered with in the past. > > FWIW, I "practise" with a CD of recordings of Moreschi (the last > castrato)--the CD is a series of transcriptions of many different >early > formats. In my experience, it's always a case of robbing Peter to pay > Paul--choices have to made as to the reduction/elimination of noise >material > vs. the sacrifice of some of the frequency/amplitude bandwidth it >occupies. > But the diddling has proved fruitful for successfully removing >unwanted >junk > without much damage to the original sound. > > Best, > > Paul Dingle > > > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:40:30 +0000 > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > > Shalom Bala! > > > > Read this and for all who needs...will be extremely helpfully! > > > > http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/ttsetup.html > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >! Subject: Re: [naktalk] Declicker for LP-to-Nakamichi Transfers > > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Thank You Alex, > > > > > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > > >layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > > >deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > > >groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > > >ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > > >the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > > >times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > > >They were misaligned and were not producing even half > > >the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > > >produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > > >into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > > >mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > > >crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > > >mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > > >protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > > >cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > > >had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > > >Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > > >stop and start between tracks on some records! > > > > > >Bala > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO...my Dear Bala! > > > > > > > > 100 Perfection, on AL such PARAMETERS...what you > > > > wrote is IMPERATIVE! > > > > > > > > As my knowledge on "tuning/Set up" on turntables is > > > > extremely ample..., > > > > after more of 54 decades of 100% accurately > > > > tuning/sep up turntables...I > > > > 100% AGREED...with you, after making so...any "LP'S > > > > NOISE REDUCTION"...is > > > > NOT necessary at all! (Same "Silenced"...sound from > > > > 99% of my extremely > > > > large Lp records collection...are "Completely > > > > Silence"...thanks to my 100% > > > > Tuning/Set up perfectionism!!!). > > > > > > > > Happy Listening! > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 17 17:23:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:23:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002201c52b0d$ae580360$889087d9@oemcomputer> Colin I'll check my collection but I'm damned sure I have at least some of those Ferrier tracks on a very early vinyl record in mono. I'll be back ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 17 March 2005 13:10 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Request? I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After discovering MC playback, there's been no going back to MM >for me, although a minor side hobby is to collect old MM carts and listen. >I am no cartridge expert, but I feel that the other end of the cantilever >is loaded with heavier magnets and thus its tracking will be just >different. Light coils however mean a very different cart behaviour. The >quietest cart I used was the Lyra Helikon. This one uses a Ogura PA >line-contact styli. Its a slight departure from the usual types used. But >coupled with that are many other important areas, like the cantilever >suspension, the magnet structure, the overall body. Why? All this combines >to dictate how the cart will ride on the groove, how it will sit, and how >it will behave under dynamic conditions. I just simply liken in to the way >the Nak playback heads are designed. > >I just posted about cleanliness of the record. To say that there is dirt >and grunge down there and let the stylus ride higher, doesnt sound >attractive to me. And the contamination on the groove walls, like oils. >Here is a webpage that describes in good detail about how the designers >tackle the problem of damaged or worn records. >http://www.lyraaudio.com/Helikon.htm > >The Dual IS a good tt, and the 681EE has been passed to me from my dad. So >you have a very good setup there. I also have a Stanton 987LZ whose stylus >broke. Anyone has any spares? > >BTW, what arm are you using Kerm? > >Bala > > >"Kermit V. Gray" wrote: >Hi Bala, > >I've added this wonderful info to my ever-growing technical library. >Wonderful addition! > >You've gotten me to finally set about tweaking my Dual 1249 turntable >with its Shure V-15 Type III and Stanton 681EEE cartridges and begin >fine tuning both the alignment and the VTA. > >(OK, stop laughing guys, it's actually a pretty decent turntable....) > >To my delight, the effect of surface noise IS reduced by obsessing over >cartridge alignment. Sometimes, it's the simple fixes that are the best. >Optimum turntable setup beats electronic processing in this instance. > >This got me to thinking. A comp;anmy called Expert Pickups, PO Box 3, >Ashtead, Surrey, England KT21-2QD specializes in stylus retipping and in >custom styli. I've heard their truncated elliptical styli for Stanton >500 and 681 cartridges. These are used in sound archives. The truncated >elliptical stylus shape keeps the stylus from tracking the very bottom >of the groove, where much of the accumulated grunge and dirt is found, >reducing playback noise. Also, the stylus rides off the shoulder of the >groove lower into the wall where traditional styli don't contact as >much, and thus is the part of the groove that is the least worn. > >SO, a truncated elliptical stylus and careful alignment, follwing Bala's >suggestions, should greatly improve the clarity and quietness of an >LP. Yes? > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or the condition of the >records. It is the condition of the playback. I had a sizeable number of my >records picked from streets and used goods shops. Previously with my Roksan >MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the >click and pop was still there. After changing yet again to a VPI TNT 5, >12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead silent, I can hear the >hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the stylus, the alignment >(VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the record all must work >together. I think having done all that, up to 60% noise can be eliminated. >Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I think its pretty much >like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed clean and demagged. > > > > > > PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too much of the clicks >and pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major factor here. > >...and ... > > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > > layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > > deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > > groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > > ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > > the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > > times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > > They were misaligned and were not producing even half > > the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > > produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > > into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > > mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > > crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > > mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > > protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > > cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > > had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > > Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > > stop and start between tracks on some records! > >...and... > > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. > > Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, > > balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is > > going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it > > may cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its > > definitely not going to track right. > > > > Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an > > alignment template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is > > Cart-A-Line. It allows you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart > > is straight with respect to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that > > the cart is not tilting to either side, or pitching forward or backward. > > Tighten, just, the screws. Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously > > its hard, but you can begin by setting the cart body to be parellel with > > a stationary record. Then increase a little from there. ) Next is to set > > the tracking weight. I tend to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended > > tracking weight. Here, more is better because lesser weight is going to > > wear out your records. > > > > Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people > > have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until > > there is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither > > should be too outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this > > since record thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its > > best to check the tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend > > to change. You may have to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a > > little to settle on something you like. > > >~~~~~ >NOTE: >I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bwana747 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 18:55:13 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:55:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak R to R? / link to JP nakker website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here are a couple links which may be of help. One merely has a color thumbnail photo of the 77D (first link) the other links are to a Japanese Nakamichi page (middle link, in Japanese) with lots of photos of Nakamichi equipment, some items which I did not know Nakamichi made. The photos and data there of may be of interest to all Nakkers not just to us Reel to Reel fans. http://www.openreel.net/photo.html http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/home/ http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/home/open_deck/top.html The open reel page (last link) describes a "Fidela 77D" open reel deck, vintage 1964, and gives basic specifications. The B&W photo matches the color thumbnail on the other website (first link) with the "tooltip" of the photo labeling it as the Nak 77D. I hope this helps. Regards, Bob >I am travelling at the moment, and last evening, during dinner one of the >guest was talking "Nakamichi" and out of the blue, I was offered a >Nakamichi >77D? It was described as a Studio quality 10.5 inch capacity reel to reel >recorder, said to be in very good working order - but a 100 volt 60 hz only >machine. I would assume by this that it was manufactured for the Japanese >home market only, half track - high speed? I collect reel to reel as well >as cassette machines and as I did not realise that Nakamichi made r to r >machines. I really want this machine for my collection of Naks! The only >problem is that it is in another country, a fair air trip away! before I >travel to see it I really would like some information about these machines. >As I am travelling I don't have much chance to get on the net to do a long >search for this information. Can any of you guys shed some light on this >R77D machine? all I know is that it is a vertical deck, finished in gold? >working with some spare parts included, taken from a defunct radio station >and at a very fair price! A fast response would be appreciated as time is >not on my side! > >Thanks > >Colin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bwana747 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 19:07:54 2005 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:07:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tomas's website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't believe his website is working for downloads or may still be under construction. The procedure is / was (no login apparently required) to click "home" in the menu bar on the left side of the screen which would bring up a downloads menu bar on the right side of the screen. Clicking "downloads" would expand that right side menu into "manuals" and "literature" Clicking "manuals" would bring up a download screen in the center but clicking any of those links has only resulted in saving an empty and unusable PDF file of 1kb for most of the listed items and to broken links for a couple of the others. So it appears the site is under construction. I wonder if anyone else has been able to successfully download the files? Bob >From: "Mark Exstedt" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Tomas's website >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:52:03 -0700 > >How do I long on to this website? > >Tomas's website at www.naks.mine.nu > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Mar 17 20:58:01 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:58:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Request? Message-ID: <20050317195759.DAJK11124.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Colin, You just might hit it lucky with this group. I recall a poster about 2 months ago that belongs to this record club and he was able to 'borrow' some mint 78's to record but he had little time to do so. I don't remember his exactly question but I believe it had to do with recording mono from both channels into one. I recall the remedy was this Y type adapter. Perhaps someone with a better memory than I can name the poster and put you in touch with this Napster type record club. > > From: "Colin Marsh" > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:09:55 EST > To: "naktalk" > Subject: [naktalk] Request? > > I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it > seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall > we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. > About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings > from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy > finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have > been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember > but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record > collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and > appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier > and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to > me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night > (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you > recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly > sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years > but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll > I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with > those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! > If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak > copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! > > > Colin > > Roland -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Thu Mar 17 22:21:50 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:21:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? Message-ID: Which Nak remotes will work with the CR-7? Was the original remote the RM-7c? Will it respond to the azimuth adjustment controls on the RM-7CA? How about the RM-4TA? Or will both of these need a receiver as well? Also, if someone here has a CR-7 service manual, could you look up the part number for me for the reel drive motor? Mine has developed a dead spot on the commutator, and it might be worthwhile to just replace it, rather than rebuild it and risk further damaging it. From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 17 23:20:34 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:20:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate References: <20050317174408.79713.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c52b3f$8a934b10$65ab403e@pcbedroom> Hi All Anyone know where I can find someone with a good reputation and experience in reparing/calibrating Nakamichi Dragons in the United Kingdom (yorkshire) My machine is a bit worn and needs some attention. Im sure the questions been asked before. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 00:23:05 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:23:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL owner's manual Message-ID: <518b7b10503171523b6adbd7@mail.gmail.com> Would someone happen to have this manual in electronic form ? A friend of mine got a sick one for free and will try to fix it, already has the service manual but would appreciate the owner's as well. This email address can take any size of attachments. Thanks guys, George From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 07:51:17 2005 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:51:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with right meter on 660ZX In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050318065117.93009.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Drat, I was afraid of that. And the light for the cassette is out too. Still, works fine otherwise. I picked up a 700ZXL last week. I have 1 week to return it if I don't want it. It sounds awesome (I should say Wow!) and is quite a work of art. I had the play engage when I first turned it on (I tipped it back a little to move it in to place on my shelf and play came on). Pressing rewind/stop a couple of times stopped it. It hasn't happened the next few days. I also notice that the LEDs ride too high (I have the 660ZX, MR2, and CR-2 which show the LED/meter hanging around 0db, so it isn't my source). I don't have a manual, so I don't know if I can adjust this. I also found that the headphone out makes buzzing and winning sounds, including when I eject and load tape or use any play rewind etc control. It is, however, quiet using tape out. I am having trouble deciding what to do. This 700 was very well taken care of, but I guess it is probably going to need caps replaced. Hard to give it up... Did I say the sound was Wow!:-) fripp_em --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Yep it should be. It looks like the dreaded orange > cap disease has struck > again. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ti at amb.org Fri Mar 18 09:36:38 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:36:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? In-Reply-To: from "John Berger" at Mar 17, 2005 01:21:50 PM Message-ID: <20050318083638.BCFE9252F7@smtp.amb.org> John Berger writes: > Which Nak remotes will work with the CR-7? Was the original remote the > RM-7c? Yes. > Will it respond to the azimuth adjustment controls on the RM-7CA? > How about the RM-4TA? Or will both of these need a receiver as well? Probably, but I am not absolutely certain. > Also, if someone here has a CR-7 service manual, could you look up the > part number for me for the reel drive motor? Mine has developed a dead > spot on the commutator, and it might be worthwhile to just replace it, > rather than rebuild it and risk further damaging it. Nakamichi part number CA80205A "Reel motor assembly" -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 10:02:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:02:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate Message-ID: Shalom Adam! I'm 100% sure that B&W can repair/calibrate your Dragon, as I also own one...deserve such lovely attention! Maybe Gra' will post you the exactly phone/address of B&W in UK! To his knowledge...they are relative cheap...charging for reparation and do it extremely well...that's is very...very imperative! Good Luck...! ALEX! >From: "Adam Falcrest" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:20:34 -0000 > >Hi All > >Anyone know where I can find someone with a good reputation and experience >in reparing/calibrating Nakamichi Dragons in the United Kingdom (yorkshire) > >My machine is a bit worn and needs some attention. > >Im sure the questions been asked before. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks >Adam >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 10:11:48 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:11:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050318091148.79244.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> OK got that. Some time ago, I got crazy and started collecting tonearms. I have about 5 arms, including my SME 3010, Grace 707, Thorens TP14, TP16 and Logic Datum. All this talk has pumped some enthusiasm into me. I think I'll start dusting them off their display shelf. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Shalom Bala! As Kermit express...his Dual 1249 is an a "Integrate" TT...came with his own arm...which really is a "Gimbals" good one...NOT recommended for MC cartridges...however MM is OK! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:58:23 -0800 (PST) > >My pleasure Kermit! I use a truncated stylus for my Stanton 500 during 78 >playback. After discovering MC playback, there's been no going back to MM >for me, although a minor side hobby is to collect old MM carts and listen. >I am no cartridge expert, but I feel that the other end of the cantilever >is loaded with heavier magnets and thus its tracking will be just >different. Light coils however mean a very different cart behaviour. The >quietest cart I used was the Lyra Helikon. This one uses a Ogura PA >line-contact styli. Its a slight departure from the usual types used. But >coupled with that are many other important areas, like the cantilever >suspension, the magnet structure, the overall body. Why? All this combines >to dictate how the cart will ride on the groove, how it will sit, and how >it will behave under dynamic conditions. I just simply liken in to the way >the Nak playback heads are designed. > >I just posted about cleanliness of the record. To say that there is dirt >and grunge down there and let the stylus ride higher, doesnt sound >attractive to me. And the contamination on the groove walls, like oils. >Here is a webpage that describes in good detail about how the designers >tackle the problem of damaged or worn records. >http://www.lyraaudio.com/Helikon.htm > >The Dual IS a good tt, and the 681EE has been passed to me from my dad. So >you have a very good setup there. I also have a Stanton 987LZ whose stylus >broke. Anyone has any spares? > >BTW, what arm are you using Kerm? > >Bala > > >"Kermit V. Gray" wrote: >Hi Bala, > >I've added this wonderful info to my ever-growing technical library. >Wonderful addition! > >You've gotten me to finally set about tweaking my Dual 1249 turntable >with its Shure V-15 Type III and Stanton 681EEE cartridges and begin >fine tuning both the alignment and the VTA. > >(OK, stop laughing guys, it's actually a pretty decent turntable....) > >To my delight, the effect of surface noise IS reduced by obsessing over >cartridge alignment. Sometimes, it's the simple fixes that are the best. >Optimum turntable setup beats electronic processing in this instance. > >This got me to thinking. A comp;anmy called Expert Pickups, PO Box 3, >Ashtead, Surrey, England KT21-2QD specializes in stylus retipping and in >custom styli. I've heard their truncated elliptical styli for Stanton >500 and 681 cartridges. These are used in sound archives. The truncated >elliptical stylus shape keeps the stylus from tracking the very bottom >of the groove, where much of the accumulated grunge and dirt is found, >reducing playback noise. Also, the stylus rides off the shoulder of the >groove lower into the wall where traditional styli don't contact as >much, and thus is the part of the groove that is the least worn. > >SO, a truncated elliptical stylus and careful alignment, follwing Bala's >suggestions, should greatly improve the clarity and quietness of an >LP. Yes? > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Most of the time, it isnt so much the scratches or the condition of the >records. It is the condition of the playback. I had a sizeable number of my >records picked from streets and used goods shops. Previously with my Roksan >MM cart, many used to crackle and pop. When I upgraded to a Lyra Clavis the >click and pop was still there. After changing yet again to a VPI TNT 5, >12in arm and Lyra Helikon, the same record was dead silent, I can hear the >hiss of the master tape. Chiefly, the size of the stylus, the alignment >(VTA, overhang etc..) and the cleanliness of the record all must work >together. I think having done all that, up to 60% noise can be eliminated. >Get the tt well checked, cart aligned carefully. I think its pretty much >like getting Naks aligned well, heads scrubbed clean and demagged. > > > > > > PS. I mounted back a ClearAudio MM cart and not too much of the clicks >and pops came back. So I presume alignment is the major factor here. > >...and ... > > > Most scratches and damage occurs on the top > > layer of the vinyl. But the music is in the grooves, > > deeper in. So a small stylus will get to the actual > > groove which holds the music. And critical alignment > > ensures the stylus tracks the groove accurately with > > the correct force and sitting style (geometry). Many a > > times, I've seen expensive carts being wrongly judged. > > They were misaligned and were not producing even half > > the capability! Worse is when a misaligned cart can > > produce its own noise. My Lyra Clavis was eyeballed > > into alignment (in a Thorens 125) and was silently > > mistracking for 2 years. Suddenly, the pops and > > crackles came very alive and I went WOW! When I > > mounted her into my VPI using stylus gauge, > > protractor, my sister;s cosmetic mirror and all, the > > cart didnt sit on the record and kept jumping. She > > had worn out on one side. Her follow on model was the > > Helikon which actually allows me to hear the tape hiss > > stop and start between tracks on some records! > >...and... > > If I may, part with the little but useful experience I have. > > Firstly, make sure your tt is cleaned, well lubed and most importantly, > > balanced. If the record platter is not absolutely levelled, your cart is > > going to tilt to one-side and going to be worn off quickly. Worst is it > > may cause damage to your records. And being pulled to one-side, its > > definitely not going to track right. > > > > Next make sure your cart is aligned well. Most carts do have an > > alignment template. One thing I simply love in my toolkit is > > Cart-A-Line. It allows you to set overhang, tangency and ensure the cart > > is straight with respect to the arm. Use a small mirror to check that > > the cart is not tilting to either side, or pitching forward or backward. > > Tighten, just, the screws. Set the VTA to about 2-3 degrees (seriously > > its hard, but you can begin by setting the cart body to be parellel with > > a stationary record. Then increase a little from there. ) Next is to set > > the tracking weight. I tend to go just .1 or .2 over the recommended > > tracking weight. Here, more is better because lesser weight is going to > > wear out your records. > > > > Start the music and then play with the VTA. Seriously, different people > > have different opinions on this. My personal view is to adjust until > > there is a balance between vocals and the background music. Neither > > should be too outstanding. Then again, you cant be too critical on this > > since record thickness vary. But, after settling on a VTA setting, its > > best to check the tracking weight. As you adjust VTA, this will tend > > to change. You may have to play with overhang, VTA, tracking weight a > > little to settle on something you like. > > >~~~~~ >NOTE: >I'm upgrading my web server, so my email may be offline for a few days. >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Fri Mar 18 10:30:34 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:30:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <20050318091148.79244.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> from "Bala Ganesh Chandra" at Mar 18, 2005 01:11:48 AM Message-ID: <20050318093034.92B9F35D8C@smtp.amb.org> Since we're on the subject of turntables and cartridges (not quite on-topic but what the heck). I have always liked the Dynavector Karat series of MC cartridges. I've owned the original but fragile Karat 100R, the improved Karat 23R, and currently have a Karat 23RS Mk.II. These all have a very short solid ruby cantilever and diamond stylus of various shapes depending on model (the 23RS Mk.II has the micro-ridge "line contact" stylus with response up to 70KHz). I just bought a new Karat 17D2 Mk.II which is en-route to me. This one is the ultimate of the Karat series, with an ultra short (1.7mm) solid tapered diamond cantilever. The stylus is also micro-ridge and the frequency response is up to 100KHz. Can't wait 'til I actually receive it and have it mounted/aligned to have a listen. I think this will have great synergy with my home-built turntable and the rest of my system. One of the important advantage of low-output MC cartridges is the fact that they have such low impedance, so that it needs no capacitive loading at the phono input to tame the resonance peaking that exist typically in MM or MI cartridges. This results in much wider bandwidth and far less phase shift. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 11:07:08 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:07:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050318100708.39585.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ti, Are you using a step-up trans or a active head amp? Bala Ti Kan wrote: Since we're on the subject of turntables and cartridges (not quite on-topic but what the heck). I have always liked the Dynavector Karat series of MC cartridges. I've owned the original but fragile Karat 100R, the improved Karat 23R, and currently have a Karat 23RS Mk.II. These all have a very short solid ruby cantilever and diamond stylus of various shapes depending on model (the 23RS Mk.II has the micro-ridge "line contact" stylus with response up to 70KHz). I just bought a new Karat 17D2 Mk.II which is en-route to me. This one is the ultimate of the Karat series, with an ultra short (1.7mm) solid tapered diamond cantilever. The stylus is also micro-ridge and the frequency response is up to 100KHz. Can't wait 'til I actually receive it and have it mounted/aligned to have a listen. I think this will have great synergy with my home-built turntable and the rest of my system. One of the important advantage of low-output MC cartridges is the fact that they have such low impedance, so that it needs no capacitive loading at the phono input to tame the resonance peaking that exist typically in MM or MI cartridges. This results in much wider bandwidth and far less phase shift. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 11:37:24 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:37:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops Message-ID: >One of the important advantage of low-output MC cartridges is the fact >that they have such low impedance, so that it needs no capacitive >loading at the phono input to tame the resonance peaking that exist >typically in MM or MI cartridges. This results in much wider bandwidth >and far less phase shift. Bravo Ti...! 100% correctly, from 1950 when my passed away Daddy, own a Ortofon mono Mc cartridge...I'm in love with Ortofon...love very much such "European"...! sound. Today I own my 6tie Ortofon Mc cartridge..the Top of the Line (Today!)...Jubilee. My current in use lovely and extremely reliable ARC-SP-9/2 control unit or pre-amp...can alone with NO transformers...etc add on to ample the very low output of mostly Ortofons (0.35), which satisfies me so well! I love as is an a "Affordable" arm the Rega RB-300! Enjoy your Dynavector...I'm positively sure that will sound great...different to Ortofon's! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:30:34 -0800 (PST) > >Since we're on the subject of turntables and cartridges (not quite >on-topic but what the heck). > >I have always liked the Dynavector Karat series of MC cartridges. >I've owned the original but fragile Karat 100R, the improved Karat 23R, >and currently have a Karat 23RS Mk.II. These all have a very short solid >ruby cantilever and diamond stylus of various shapes depending on model >(the 23RS Mk.II has the micro-ridge "line contact" stylus with response >up to 70KHz). I just bought a new Karat 17D2 Mk.II which is en-route to >me. This one is the ultimate of the Karat series, with an ultra short >(1.7mm) solid tapered diamond cantilever. The stylus is also micro-ridge >and the frequency response is up to 100KHz. > >Can't wait 'til I actually receive it and have it mounted/aligned to >have a listen. I think this will have great synergy with my home-built >turntable and the rest of my system. > >One of the important advantage of low-output MC cartridges is the fact >that they have such low impedance, so that it needs no capacitive >loading at the phono input to tame the resonance peaking that exist >typically in MM or MI cartridges. This results in much wider bandwidth >and far less phase shift. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 13:30:27 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Request? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050318123027.44844.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> I think you recall I was on that group also? Actually, the really good solution isnt a Y-adapter. Thats doing a L+R and I found out after transferring some 150 songs onto reel. Ouch! Then I realized that using a selector switch to route either the L or R channel to both channels is a better solution. (This is where I prefer my McIntosh pre-amp.) Bala --- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > Colin, > > You just might hit it lucky with this group. I > recall a poster about 2 months ago that belongs to > this record club and he was able to 'borrow' some > mint 78's to record but he had little time to do so. > > I don't remember his exactly question but I believe > it had to do with recording mono from both channels > into one. > > I recall the remedy was this Y type adapter. > > Perhaps someone with a better memory than I can name > the poster and put you in touch with this Napster > type record club. > > > > From: "Colin Marsh" > > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:09:55 EST > > To: "naktalk" > > Subject: [naktalk] Request? > > > > I have been reading the posts about setting up and > playing records an it > > seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners > and collectors of, shall > > we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this > category. > > About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of > some very rare recordings > > from the BBC record library (I had a friend > working there at the time), buy > > finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant > playing and age! I have > > been trying to get hold of the original records as > long as I can remember > > but with no success to date. Is it possible that > somewhere in your record > > collections lurk these records? The recordings > are very early, and > > appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The > artist was Kathleen Ferrier > > and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and > Euridice - What is life to > > me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber > - Silent Night, Holy Night > > (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you > will know, if you > > recognisef these recordings, when they come up > for sale they are highly > > sought after! These tracks where all re-released > many times over the years > > but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and > Stereoising took its toll > > I have many of these re- released recordings and > they don't compare with > > those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used > Neal decks at that time! > > If you guys have these recordings and would > consider providing me with a Nak > > copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in > my collection! > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 18 14:35:13 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:35:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate In-Reply-To: <002401c52b3f$8a934b10$65ab403e@pcbedroom> Message-ID: <007b01c52bbf$501616e0$7ac44c51@oemcomputer> Bowers and Wilkins Littlehampton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN13 1QA 01903 264 141 info at classic-nakamichi.com http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 17 March 2005 22:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate Hi All Anyone know where I can find someone with a good reputation and experience in reparing/calibrating Nakamichi Dragons in the United Kingdom (yorkshire) My machine is a bit worn and needs some attention. Im sure the questions been asked before. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 3ld at bellsouth.net Fri Mar 18 15:36:55 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Message-ID: <423AE787.9000800@bellsouth.net> Greetings everyone, The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently has been damaged. The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the spindle. I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for the upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa (which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the way to Kermit soon), but will probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much as a new AT-OC9, which can be had for $279, and take too long. Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having used it. Is this sonically about the same level as the AT-OC9? Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? Atlanta Mike From ti at amb.org Fri Mar 18 20:38:46 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:38:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <20050318100708.39585.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> from "Bala Ganesh Chandra" at Mar 18, 2005 02:07:08 AM Message-ID: <20050318193846.894362529A@smtp.amb.org> Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > Hi Ti, > > Are you using a step-up trans or a active head amp? My preamp has a MM/MC gain switch for the phono input, it also has internal dip switches for setting the input impedance. So, yeah, it's active. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 18 18:16:50 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:16:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request? In-Reply-To: <20050317195759.DAJK11124.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the advice Roland, I do remember this post, actually I wrote it! Although I have many contacts who will lend me their rare records, None can come up with the Kathleen Ferrier recordings I need. As I said before, these early recordings are rare and very sought after. Later recordings, especially post 1960 are do not have the original quality. I have had recordings made before this but the condition was really bad! If you had heard these recordings before they were "doctored" by the re-mix techs you would know exactly what I am trying to say. Ferrier had, to me one of the most radient, nobly passionate, fluid and stirring voices I have ever heard! My father had the privilege to attend a rehearsal for one of her last performances in London 1953, Orfeo and Euridice and her rendition of "What is Life" moved him so much that he had it played at his funeral some 30 years later! Interestingly, I was told that the BBC "lost" the records from their library a few years after I got my copies!! For your information, my problem with recording mono records onto a ReVox R. to R.and cassette was finally solved thru Ebay when I purchased a Decca tone arm complete with a Decca FFSS Mono cartridge! It was a little daunting using this set-up with some of my (and others) irreplaceable discs, but it all worked out fine. I solved the problem of recording mono onto the two tracks of my ZX7 by simply feeding the Nak from the line outs on the ReVox, letting the ReVox do the combining! and recording onto R to R and cassette at the same time. This saved me a lot of time as well! I have just finished archiving over 400 records this way. By the way guys, my collection is "open" if anyone need to use it! Thanks Colin -----Original Message----- From: rjlbjk at cox.net [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: 17 March 2005 19:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Request? Colin, You just might hit it lucky with this group. I recall a poster about 2 months ago that belongs to this record club and he was able to 'borrow' some mint 78's to record but he had little time to do so. I don't remember his exactly question but I believe it had to do with recording mono from both channels into one. I recall the remedy was this Y type adapter. Perhaps someone with a better memory than I can name the poster and put you in touch with this Napster type record club. > > From: "Colin Marsh" > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:09:55 EST > To: "naktalk" > Subject: [naktalk] Request? > > I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it > seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall > we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. > About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings > from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy > finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have > been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember > but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record > collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and > appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier > and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to > me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night > (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you > recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly > sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years > but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll > I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with > those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! > If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak > copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! > > > Colin > > Roland From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 18 18:24:07 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:24:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate In-Reply-To: <002401c52b3f$8a934b10$65ab403e@pcbedroom> Message-ID: Adam, I think you nead the services of Bowers and Wilkins, Worthing. they have a website it is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/ They are UKs finest Nak specialists and not that expensive! Good luck with the Dragon! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Adam Falcrest [mailto:falcrest at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 17 March 2005 22:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate Hi All Anyone know where I can find someone with a good reputation and experience in reparing/calibrating Nakamichi Dragons in the United Kingdom (yorkshire) My machine is a bit worn and needs some attention. Im sure the questions been asked before. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 19:07:51 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:07:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050318180751.33958.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> I found an old post from Stephen Sank and he had a different number for the reel motor on the CR-7A. Here is quote from his original post. I actually pulled this quote from my FAQ page which contains lots of old Stephan Sank quotes. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html "I would very much recommend, though, stocking a few reel motors, P/N CA80728A, for CR-7 or any other Sankyo mech deck worth keeping, as these eventually develop dead spots and aren't terribly vary to overhaul. The mode motor will do the same thing, but, it's really easy to take apart & de-carbonise, so not much point in buying spares. If you want to get a spare the part number is CA80007A." Sometimes I correct spelling errors and grammar mistakes, but, I guess I left this one as is. The CA80728A P/N is probably for the motor itself and CA80205A number is for the "Reel motor assembly" as Ti pointed out by putting it in quotes. This will give you two part number to try and locate. Also I'm not sure if the CA80205A is for the rubber idler or the gear idler. If Ti pulled it from the service manual it's probably the rubber idler and you might want to upgrade to the gear idler if it hasn't been done already. Does anyone know if the gear idler from the CR-1A can be used to upgrade the CR-7A? Good luck, Scott J. --- Ti Kan wrote: > John Berger writes: > > Which Nak remotes will work with the CR-7? Was the original > remote the > > RM-7c? > > Yes. > > > Will it respond to the azimuth adjustment controls on the RM-7CA? > > How about the RM-4TA? Or will both of these need a receiver as > well? > > Probably, but I am not absolutely certain. > > > Also, if someone here has a CR-7 service manual, could you look > up the > > part number for me for the reel drive motor? Mine has developed > a dead > > spot on the commutator, and it might be worthwhile to just > replace it, > > rather than rebuild it and risk further damaging it. > > Nakamichi part number CA80205A "Reel motor assembly" > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From roleo at telus.net Fri Mar 18 19:23:17 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:23:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? References: Message-ID: <007901c52be7$8f51ce30$6401a8c0@desktop> If you don't have an original remote for your deck, you will need a receiver for the system remotes you mentioned to run your CR-7. Depending on the receiver, you may need a Nak remote signal converter RC-4 to interface. The CA-7 preamp does not require any interface other than the 8-pin DIN plug. That uses the RM-7CA. In case any one is interested, I have an RC-4 Remote Signal Converter for sale. I'll be posting it on E-bay soon with pics. -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Berger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? > Which Nak remotes will work with the CR-7? Was the original remote the > RM-7c? Will it respond to the azimuth adjustment controls on the RM-7CA? > How about the RM-4TA? Or will both of these need a receiver as well? > > Also, if someone here has a CR-7 service manual, could you look up the > part number for me for the reel drive motor? Mine has developed a dead > spot on the commutator, and it might be worthwhile to just replace it, > rather than rebuild it and risk further damaging it. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 18 21:23:32 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:23:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request? In-Reply-To: <20050318123027.44844.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b901c52bf8$5aad0760$7ac44c51@oemcomputer> You can, of course, buy boxes that convert the "stereo" mono signal from the stereo cartridge into mono before it gets to the amp, as I have. This box then allows me to select which of the mono tracks I want to use, which is especially useful with 78s where one side of the groove is more worn than the other. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 18 March 2005 12:30 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Request? > > > I think you recall I was on that group also? Actually, > the really good solution isnt a Y-adapter. Thats doing > a L+R and I found out after transferring some 150 > songs onto reel. Ouch! Then I realized that using a > selector switch to route either the L or R channel to > both channels is a better solution. (This is where I > prefer my McIntosh pre-amp.) > > Bala > > From angelricano at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 22:27:41 2005 From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel W. Ricano) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:27:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which remote models work on the ZX-9 Message-ID: Hello, Can anybody tell me the remotes that will work on the ZX-9. Also does anybody has a link to a website to see what the remotes look like. Thanks, Angel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mamster at wnx.com Fri Mar 18 23:02:04 2005 From: mamster at wnx.com (Michael Amster) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:02:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: <423AE787.9000800@bellsouth.net> References: <423AE787.9000800@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <423B4FDC.603@wnx.com> Michael Moore wrote: > Greetings everyone, > The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently > has been damaged. > The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the > spindle. > I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for > the upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa > (which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the > way to Kermit soon), but will > probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much > as a new AT-OC9, which can > be had for $279, and take too long. > Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? > I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having > used it. Is this sonically about the same > level as the AT-OC9? > Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? > Atlanta Mike > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > In roughly this range I would recommend the Dynavector 10x5 = http://www.dynavector.co.jp/english/frame_cart/frame.html I would also recommend the Goldring 1042 cartridge (a very nice MM design) - http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/g1042e.html -MA From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 19 04:56:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:56:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Message-ID: Shalom Mike! My heart fully recommendation...throw away your "Oldie" OC-9...fit your "Sumiko's Talisman S...will be OK...and cheaper! BUT...read the Talisman's instructions...understand's well and after so enjoy!!! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:36:55 -0500 > >Greetings everyone, >The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently has >been damaged. >The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the spindle. >I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for the >upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa >(which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the way to >Kermit soon), but will >probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much as a >new AT-OC9, which can >be had for $279, and take too long. >Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? >I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having used >it. Is this sonically about the same >level as the AT-OC9? >Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? >Atlanta Mike > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Sat Mar 19 07:49:33 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:49:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tomas's website Message-ID: <0A9FAA8A.39A975E3.026D48C1@netscape.net> I do download some manuals from the site. I right-clicked the link and chose 'Save Target As' option. The downloaded files are perfectly readable. With the best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sat Mar 19 11:07:56 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:07:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. References: <20050317174408.79713.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Kannan, you are right, if you use a specific cassette which the RX is calibrated to, the recording will be good. The reason I propose ZX over RX is that I have many type of cassettes (from the low-end to the upper-midrange) and for this reason an extensive calibration possibility is very useful. If one may use only a specific type of cassettes only, he will be happy with the results. István ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. Sonic signature of various Naks can be different due to Play circuit and Dolby chip variations while their record circuits produce almost similar results ( based on my personal experience) If you have the ability to tune bias and level together as well as Head azimuth alignment ( like ZX 7) you always get perfect recording on any type /brand of cassette. However I found RX 505 can record wonderfully if the recorder is tuned for a that specific tape and heads are aligned. Sonic signature is lsightly different from ZX but RX can sound like Dragon - for only those tapes recorded on it because the play circuit elements are exactly same. I would definitely like to add an RX 505 to my collection. only problem for those who do not posses the tools necessary to calibrate - RX is not adjustable like ZX 7 and hence an used Rx with misalignment can be disappointing Kannan Sándor István wrote: Dear Iain, all I wrote some days before, is my personal opinion. I do know nothing about the decks you mentiones, I never tried any of them (I am stocked with four Naks, that is more than enough for me). My experience is that MY RX505 and ZX-7 are very different as far as their recording capabilities concerned. In my opinion a rec head tuning is a very useful thing, as I make my records to myself (on the ZX7) I think it to be more useful than playback head tuning. It is utterly important if you use different sort of cassettes, which maybe have different azimuth-error. Very few cassettes are correct regarding their azimuth-error. I usually HAVE TO tune rec head while calibration... you cannot do it with an RX. That's all I can say, but I am eager to get some impression from the others if they have similar/different experiences. Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. > Thanks Istvan and Bleus. > > Speaking on the 505's record capabilities on their own > - would a similar comparision be the recording > capabilty of say an LX-5, or ZX-5, CR-5, BX-300 or > MR1? Forgetting pitch control, all these decks are > 3-head and only have a bias tune knob like the 505, > but the rec head may be different (yes I could look it > up and I'm sure they have different model numbers for > the rec heads but I'm not sure which rec head is > slightly superior/inferior) > > OR > > Is the RX-505's recording abilities beyond these decks > but surpassed by the Dragon/ZX-7/9 and CR-7? > > I forgot the 681/82ZX. > > I just would like a "ballpark" idea of where the 505's > recording status sits - because if it is above the > less fancy 3-head decks but is merely surpassed by the > decks such as the ZX-7/9 CR-7 Dragon then I'm > perfectly happy with that - I'm not that overly fussed > that I'd want a third Nak deck just to record on if > generally the 505 records very well, but can be > bettered a little. I know of the somewhat inaccurate > metering on the 505, too. > > Iain > > PS thanks for bearing with me, if I had $$$$ to burn > I'd just buy a CR-7 or Dragon or ZX-9 but I don't. > YET ;-) > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caldwell at cvtel.net Sat Mar 19 15:02:29 2005 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:02:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Lamps and the ZX-7 Message-ID: <423BDC95.23583.35528AA@localhost> Is the ZX-7 one of the decks that will stop working when a lamp burns out? If it is, which lamp causes the problem and is there a fix beyond just replacing the lamp? I recall a post discussing using a resistor along with the lamp, which would allow the deck to operate even if the lamp was burned out. I would appreciate any details. Thanks, Scott From ti at amb.org Sat Mar 19 22:22:43 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:22:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? In-Reply-To: <20050318180751.33958.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> from "Scott Johnson" at Mar 18, 2005 10:07:51 AM Message-ID: <20050319212243.DD15929B34@smtp.amb.org> Scott Johnson writes: > The CA80728A P/N is probably for the motor itself and CA80205A number > is for the "Reel motor assembly" as Ti pointed out by putting it in > quotes. This will give you two part number to try and locate. Also > I'm not sure if the CA80205A is for the rubber idler or the gear > idler. If Ti pulled it from the service manual it's probably the > rubber idler and you might want to upgrade to the gear idler if it > hasn't been done already. Yeah, the part number I have is from the CR-7 service manual. It is of the rubber idler design. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Mar 19 22:49:59 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:49:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Colin My original post appears not to have gotten through, so this is a repeat. I have a reasonable mono recording of The World Of Kathleen Ferrier LP on Decca, PA 172 1971, with the tracks you mention. I assume that this falls within the post 1960 category, but you are welcome to a recording or borrow the record if this is of help. Regards, Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 18 March 2005 17:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Request? Thanks for the advice Roland, I do remember this post, actually I wrote it! Although I have many contacts who will lend me their rare records, None can come up with the Kathleen Ferrier recordings I need. As I said before, these early recordings are rare and very sought after. Later recordings, especially post 1960 are do not have the original quality. I have had recordings made before this but the condition was really bad! If you had heard these recordings before they were "doctored" by the re-mix techs you would know exactly what I am trying to say. Ferrier had, to me one of the most radient, nobly passionate, fluid and stirring voices I have ever heard! My father had the privilege to attend a rehearsal for one of her last performances in London 1953, Orfeo and Euridice and her rendition of "What is Life" moved him so much that he had it played at his funeral some 30 years later! Interestingly, I was told that the BBC "lost" the records from their library a few years after I got my copies!! For your information, my problem with recording mono records onto a ReVox R. to R.and cassette was finally solved thru Ebay when I purchased a Decca tone arm complete with a Decca FFSS Mono cartridge! It was a little daunting using this set-up with some of my (and others) irreplaceable discs, but it all worked out fine. I solved the problem of recording mono onto the two tracks of my ZX7 by simply feeding the Nak from the line outs on the ReVox, letting the ReVox do the combining! and recording onto R to R and cassette at the same time. This saved me a lot of time as well! I have just finished archiving over 400 records this way. By the way guys, my collection is "open" if anyone need to use it! Thanks Colin From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sat Mar 19 23:00:08 2005 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:00:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503192158.j2JLwKwq028976@zxe.naks.com> Colin, I have two recordings by Kathleen Ferrier, but not the ones you are after unfortunately. They are "A Recital of Bach and Handel Arias", and Schumann and Brahms Songs. Both on Decca, if you are interested in a Nak copy. No date that I can see on either recording, but they are both 33 1/3 speed, and mono. Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Colin Marsh Sent: 18 March 2005 17:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Request? Thanks for the advice Roland, I do remember this post, actually I wrote it! Although I have many contacts who will lend me their rare records, None can come up with the Kathleen Ferrier recordings I need. As I said before, these early recordings are rare and very sought after. Later recordings, especially post 1960 are do not have the original quality. I have had recordings made before this but the condition was really bad! If you had heard these recordings before they were "doctored" by the re-mix techs you would know exactly what I am trying to say. Ferrier had, to me one of the most radient, nobly passionate, fluid and stirring voices I have ever heard! My father had the privilege to attend a rehearsal for one of her last performances in London 1953, Orfeo and Euridice and her rendition of "What is Life" moved him so much that he had it played at his funeral some 30 years later! Interestingly, I was told that the BBC "lost" the records from their library a few years after I got my copies!! For your information, my problem with recording mono records onto a ReVox R. to R.and cassette was finally solved thru Ebay when I purchased a Decca tone arm complete with a Decca FFSS Mono cartridge! It was a little daunting using this set-up with some of my (and others) irreplaceable discs, but it all worked out fine. I solved the problem of recording mono onto the two tracks of my ZX7 by simply feeding the Nak from the line outs on the ReVox, letting the ReVox do the combining! and recording onto R to R and cassette at the same time. This saved me a lot of time as well! I have just finished archiving over 400 records this way. By the way guys, my collection is "open" if anyone need to use it! Thanks Colin -----Original Message----- From: rjlbjk at cox.net [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: 17 March 2005 19:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Request? Colin, You just might hit it lucky with this group. I recall a poster about 2 months ago that belongs to this record club and he was able to 'borrow' some mint 78's to record but he had little time to do so. I don't remember his exactly question but I believe it had to do with recording mono from both channels into one. I recall the remedy was this Y type adapter. Perhaps someone with a better memory than I can name the poster and put you in touch with this Napster type record club. > > From: "Colin Marsh" > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:09:55 EST > To: "naktalk" > Subject: [naktalk] Request? > > I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it > seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall > we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. > About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings > from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy > finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have > been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember > but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record > collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and > appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier > and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to > me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night > (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you > recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly > sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years > but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll > I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with > those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! > If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak > copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! > > > Colin > > Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 23:14:41 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:14:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Which remote models work on the ZX-9 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050319221441.44569.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Check out my web page on Nak Remotes. I don't have pictures of all the remotes listed yet. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html SJ --- "Angel W. Ricano" wrote: > Hello, > Can anybody tell me the remotes that will work on the ZX-9. Also > does anybody has a link to a website to see what the remotes look > like. > Thanks, > Angel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From roleo at telus.net Sun Mar 20 00:49:51 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:49:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Which remote models work on the ZX-9 References: Message-ID: <006d01c52cde$58333540$6401a8c0@desktop> Angel, The RM-5 and RM-200 wired remotes will work with the ZX-9, along with the RM-580T&R two piece infrared. The RM-5 is the newest of the remotes. It was made in the same design as the RM-15 and RM-20 (for the RX-505 and Dragon) in the 1980's. RM-200 and RM-580 were from the late 70's I believe. Check these pages: http://www.geocities.com/shiralpatel/Fact.html http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Angel W. Ricano To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Which remote models work on the ZX-9 Hello, Can anybody tell me the remotes that will work on the ZX-9. Also does anybody has a link to a website to see what the remotes look like. Thanks, Angel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Sun Mar 20 00:51:38 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:51:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Pinch Roller Problem References: Message-ID: <007701c52cde$97d15f10$6401a8c0@desktop> I have just discovered that the supply pinch roller on my RX-505 is not engaging. It is there --- just doesn't move upon pressing play. Is this a hardened grease problem or something more serious? -- Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 03:00:51 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:00:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Pinch Roller Problem In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050320020051.40016.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Yup. That's it. I had it on my RX-505 on Both the supply and take-up pinch rollers. Good luck getting those cleaned up! SJ --- Roland Alford wrote: > I have just discovered that the supply pinch roller on my RX-505 is > not engaging. It is there --- just doesn't move upon pressing > play. > > Is this a hardened grease problem or something more serious? > > -- Roland> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 20 05:18:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:18:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Message-ID: Shalom Michael! Yes you advice him to BUY...another cartridge, sure will cost more that retyping his oldie OC-9...which he states that DO NOT WANT TO SPELL money do it...the Talisman suffices! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Michael Amster >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:02:04 -0800 > >Michael Moore wrote: > >>Greetings everyone, >>The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently has >>been damaged. >>The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the >>spindle. >>I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for the >>upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa >>(which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the way >>to Kermit soon), but will >>probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much as a >>new AT-OC9, which can >>be had for $279, and take too long. >>Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? >>I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having used >>it. Is this sonically about the same >>level as the AT-OC9? >>Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? >>Atlanta Mike >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >In roughly this range I would recommend the Dynavector 10x5 = >http://www.dynavector.co.jp/english/frame_cart/frame.html >I would also recommend the Goldring 1042 cartridge (a very nice MM design) >- http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/g1042e.html > >-MA >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 20 05:27:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:27:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. Message-ID: Shalom to all of you! Regarding the cassettes brand...to my knowledge...ALWAYS...Nakamichi stick on TDK brand ONLY! If you use on your RX-505 SA type for instance...WILL BE SUPER OK...always!!!! Buy a large quantity of TDK-SA (I never like Metals or Ferric ones!)...record with your RX-505 and enjoy...instead thinking which brand will perform better! My heart full advice! ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. >Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:07:56 +0100 > >Dear Kannan, >you are right, if you use a specific cassette which the RX is calibrated >to, the recording will be good. >The reason I propose ZX over RX is that I have many type of cassettes (from >the low-end to the upper-midrange) and for this reason an extensive >calibration possibility is very useful. >If one may use only a specific type of cassettes only, he will be happy >with the results. > >Istv�n > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. > > > Sonic signature of various Naks can be different due to Play circuit and >Dolby chip variations while their record circuits produce almost similar >results ( based on my personal experience) If you have the ability to tune >bias and level together as well as Head azimuth alignment ( like ZX 7) you >always get perfect recording on any type /brand of cassette. However I >found RX 505 can record wonderfully if the recorder is tuned for a that >specific tape and heads are aligned. Sonic signature is lsightly different >from ZX but RX can sound like Dragon - for only those tapes recorded on it >because the play circuit elements are exactly same. I would definitely like >to add an RX 505 to my collection. only problem for those who do not posses >the tools necessary to calibrate - RX is not adjustable like ZX 7 and hence >an used Rx with misalignment can be disappointing > Kannan > > S�ndor Istv�n wrote: > Dear Iain, > all I wrote some days before, is my personal opinion. I do know >nothing > about the decks you mentiones, I never tried any of them (I am stocked >with > four Naks, that is more than enough for me). > My experience is that MY RX505 and ZX-7 are very different as far as >their > recording capabilities concerned. > In my opinion a rec head tuning is a very useful thing, as I make my >records > to myself (on the ZX7) I think it to be more useful than playback head > tuning. > It is utterly important if you use different sort of cassettes, which >maybe > have different azimuth-error. > Very few cassettes are correct regarding their azimuth-error. > I usually HAVE TO tune rec head while calibration... you cannot do it >with > an RX. > > That's all I can say, but I am eager to get some impression from the >others > if they have similar/different experiences. > > Kind regards, > Istv�n > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain McGhee" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:33 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Again, re RX-505 rec capabilities. > > > > Thanks Istvan and Bleus. > > > > Speaking on the 505's record capabilities on their own > > - would a similar comparision be the recording > > capabilty of say an LX-5, or ZX-5, CR-5, BX-300 or > > MR1? Forgetting pitch control, all these decks are > > 3-head and only have a bias tune knob like the 505, > > but the rec head may be different (yes I could look it > > up and I'm sure they have different model numbers for > > the rec heads but I'm not sure which rec head is > > slightly superior/inferior) > > > > OR > > > > Is the RX-505's recording abilities beyond these decks > > but surpassed by the Dragon/ZX-7/9 and CR-7? > > > > I forgot the 681/82ZX. > > > > I just would like a "ballpark" idea of where the 505's > > recording status sits - because if it is above the > > less fancy 3-head decks but is merely surpassed by the > > decks such as the ZX-7/9 CR-7 Dragon then I'm > > perfectly happy with that - I'm not that overly fussed > > that I'd want a third Nak deck just to record on if > > generally the 505 records very well, but can be > > bettered a little. I know of the somewhat inaccurate > > metering on the 505, too. > > > > Iain > > > > PS thanks for bearing with me, if I had $$$$ to burn > > I'd just buy a CR-7 or Dragon or ZX-9 but I don't. > > YET ;-) > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 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Learn more. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 08:31:59 2005 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:31:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual for 700ZXL Message-ID: <20050320073200.68355.qmail@web50505.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have the owners manual for the 700ZXL? Looks like I could also use the service manual for the 660ZX as well. Thanks, fripp_em __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 10:56:11 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050320095611.75406.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Alex, I beg to differ in this repects. The OC-9 is old but a solid performer. And few catridges can prove a track record like it did. The Sumiko Talisman is a great cart. I hope to get my hands on one soon. But will it feel the sonic shoes of a OC-9? Other carts like the Goldring 1042 are equally great perfomance. I personally keep a Roksan Corus Black which is a 1042, with an improved stylus. But again, will it produce the same or better the tone of the OC-9? I would heartily recommend a Denon DL 101 or 103. Or go for a Lyra Argo. I believe they are all at the same price range. My basis for this recommendation? A person who likes an OC-9 would definitely enjoy the 103 or Argo. Especially with a Dragon CT tt, chances are, they would work well the the Denon. Remember it was the standard for NKH (the Japanses BBC) for over 30 years. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Shalom Mike! My heart fully recommendation...throw away your "Oldie" OC-9...fit your "Sumiko's Talisman S...will be OK...and cheaper! BUT...read the Talisman's instructions...understand's well and after so enjoy!!! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:36:55 -0500 > >Greetings everyone, >The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently has >been damaged. >The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the spindle. >I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for the >upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa >(which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the way to >Kermit soon), but will >probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much as a >new AT-OC9, which can >be had for $279, and take too long. >Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? >I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having used >it. Is this sonically about the same >level as the AT-OC9? >Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? >Atlanta Mike > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 20 23:23:44 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:23:44 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] how to record on 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D969@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi Lee, it's similar to the ZX7, you have the steps listed correctly, after the auto-azimuth has finished (wait for the play lamp to stop flashing) and then adjust the screws beneath the level display until the meters read 0dB on both channels, then press stop and flick the meter switch off the cal mode and your are done. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: lee [mailto:lkk3110 at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 21 March 2005 1:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] how to record on 680ZX seems like a silly question but what's the steps to do recording using this deck; 1)put in a tape2) set the tape selector 3) push the vu meter selector to CAL 4) hit record 5) wait for auto azimuth do its thing 6) then how do I set the bias for both channels & when to adjust record levels? I'm familar with my ZX7 but the 680ZX is very new to me. Thanks Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 20 23:47:07 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:47:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Lamps and the ZX-7 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D96B@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Not the ZX7, they use LED's instead of globes and if the LEDs ever go the sound should still be heard. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Caldwell [mailto:caldwell at cvtel.net] Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 1:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Lamps and the ZX-7 Is the ZX-7 one of the decks that will stop working when a lamp burns out? If it is, which lamp causes the problem and is there a fix beyond just replacing the lamp? I recall a post discussing using a resistor along with the lamp, which would allow the deck to operate even if the lamp was burned out. I would appreciate any details. Thanks, Scott ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 20 23:56:19 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:56:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL owner's manual Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D96D@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Headed your way George, you should receive an email from yousendit.com, click on the link and you will be able to download it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 10:23 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL owner's manual Would someone happen to have this manual in electronic form ? A friend of mine got a sick one for free and will try to fix it, already has the service manual but would appreciate the owner's as well. This email address can take any size of attachments. Thanks guys, George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 20 13:13:16 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:13:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: <20050320095611.75406.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c52d46$324265a0$37de4c51@oemcomputer> Bala said: "I personally keep a Roksan Corus Black which is a 1042, with an improved stylus. " I have a DNM Reca, which is also an adapted 1042. Best MM cartridge I've used so far. (Beat my Shure VST V.) However, one day I would like to try the Cartridge Man's special Moving Iron .... I forget the name off hand but I've heard it wacks many a MC cartridge that sell for much more money. It is also allegedly very well suited to my Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage. They are often sold together as a pair. However, Len Gregory (the Cartridge Man) doesn't recommend his cartridges with Rega arms (I have a modified RB300), says they are not very compatible. He suggests Haddock arms. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 20 March 2005 09:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Hi guys, Alex, I beg to differ in this repects. The OC-9 is old but a solid performer. And few catridges can prove a track record like it did. The Sumiko Talisman is a great cart. I hope to get my hands on one soon. But will it feel the sonic shoes of a OC-9? Other carts like the Goldring 1042 are equally great perfomance. I personally keep a Roksan Corus Black which is a 1042, with an improved stylus. But again, will it produce the same or better the tone of the OC-9? I would heartily recommend a Denon DL 101 or 103. Or go for a Lyra Argo. I believe they are all at the same price range. My basis for this recommendation? A person who likes an OC-9 would definitely enjoy the 103 or Argo. Especially with a Dragon CT tt, chances are, they would work well the the Denon. Remember it was the standard for NKH (the Japanses BBC) for over 30 years. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 20 13:34:53 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:34:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Message-ID: Shalom Bala! Yes...you are 100% right...HOWEVER...as I understand he DON'T WANT TO SPELL MONEY...as he own a Talisman S...I'm asking myself...WHY...NOT to use it!!! Instead spelling money...that he really refuse to do so! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:56:11 -0800 (PST) > >Hi guys, > > Alex, I beg to differ in this repects. The OC-9 is old but a solid >performer. And few catridges can prove a track record like it did. The >Sumiko Talisman is a great cart. I hope to get my hands on one soon. But >will it feel the sonic shoes of a OC-9? Other carts like the Goldring 1042 >are equally great perfomance. I personally keep a Roksan Corus Black which >is a 1042, with an improved stylus. But again, will it produce the same or >better the tone of the OC-9? I would heartily recommend a Denon DL 101 or >103. Or go for a Lyra Argo. I believe they are all at the same price range. >My basis for this recommendation? A person who likes an OC-9 would >definitely enjoy the 103 or Argo. Especially with a Dragon CT tt, chances >are, they would work well the the Denon. Remember it was the standard for >NKH (the Japanses BBC) for over 30 years. > >Bala > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Shalom Mike! > >My heart fully recommendation...throw away your "Oldie" OC-9...fit your >"Sumiko's Talisman S...will be OK...and cheaper! BUT...read the Talisman's >instructions...understand's well and after so enjoy!!! > >Happy Listening! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations > >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:36:55 -0500 > > > >Greetings everyone, > >The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently has > >been damaged. > >The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the >spindle. > >I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for the > >upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa > >(which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the way >to > >Kermit soon), but will > >probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much as a > >new AT-OC9, which can > >be had for $279, and take too long. > >Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? > >I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having >used > >it. Is this sonically about the same > >level as the AT-OC9? > >Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? > >Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Mar 20 15:30:27 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:30:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] how to record on 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423D8903.1060001@cox.net> Sounds like you could benefit from the 680ZX owners manual. You can download it complete from Tomas's website at http://www.naks.mine.nu/ Click on 'Home' on the left sidebar, and then click on 'Downloads'. Then on the right sidebar, click on 'Manuals', and in the middle click on 'Nak Manuals'. It's sort of a roundabout clickery but it gets you to a page with the 680ZX manual you need. The 680ZX owners manual is on the top of the list, click on 'Download' to get it. You may need to right click on 'Download' and then click 'Save As'. It's an 8 meg file, so if you are on dialup it will take a while. If you would rather simply have the few pages from the manual explaining how to operate it's record and calibration functions I can extract that section from the manual and make it available to you. Tim lee wrote: > seems like a silly question but what's the steps to do recording using > this deck; 1)put in a tape2) set the tape selector 3) push the vu > meter selector to CAL 4) hit record 5) wait for auto azimuth do its > thing 6) then how do I set the bias for both channels & when to adjust > record levels? > > I'm familar with my ZX7 but the 680ZX is very new to me. > > Thanks > Lee > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 20 17:25:06 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:25:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate References: Message-ID: <003401c52d69$6183c9d0$ca8d403e@pcbedroom> Thanks for your help. I was able to find their telephone number and spoke to one of their representitives who told me that a service would cost between £200 and £250. A ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate Adam, I think you nead the services of Bowers and Wilkins, Worthing. they have a website it is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/ They are UKs finest Nak specialists and not that expensive! Good luck with the Dragon! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Adam Falcrest [mailto:falcrest at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 17 March 2005 22:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate Hi All Anyone know where I can find someone with a good reputation and experience in reparing/calibrating Nakamichi Dragons in the United Kingdom (yorkshire) My machine is a bit worn and needs some attention. Im sure the questions been asked before. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary.heagle at bell.ca Sun Mar 20 20:05:31 2005 From: gary.heagle at bell.ca (HEAGLE, GARY) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:05:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Message-ID: <423DC97B.877144FF@bell.ca> Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting into the wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally getting into my price range! Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model number? I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of different decks over the years and want to start transferring them to CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth controls will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible transfer. I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! Regards, Gary From Modernizy at netscape.net Sun Mar 20 20:17:32 2005 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:17:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remotely possible? Message-ID: <11D3D39C.30E6AB56.026D48C1@netscape.net> CA80728A is the part number for the reel motor that comes with the gear upgrade kit for CR-7 so it should be for the geared decks (not idler ones). With the very best wishes, Nick. Scott Johnson wrote: >The CA80728A P/N is probably for the motor itself and CA80205A number >is for the "Reel motor assembly" as Ti pointed out by putting it in >quotes. This will give you two part number to try and locate. Also >I'm not sure if the CA80205A is for the rubber idler or the gear >idler. If Ti pulled it from the service manual it's probably the >rubber idler and you might want to upgrade to the gear idler if it >hasn't been done already. Does anyone know if the gear idler from >the CR-1A can be used to upgrade the CR-7A? > >Good luck, > >Scott J. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Mar 21 01:55:01 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:55:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote files for Philips Pronto NEO Message-ID: <061b01c52db0$ada28350$8902a8c0@WARBIRD> Hi, all: Last October a kind soul on the list sent me a "copy" file of the RMC7A (CR7A Remote) remote codes for a Philips Pronto. I have since lost the files to a computer crash. If they are still out there, a replacement copy would be greatly appreciated--contact me off list if you need to. Regards, Paul Dingle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 04:01:12 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:01:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050321030112.70222.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alex and Mike, Ok I overlooked the bottom part of Mike's post about the Talisman cart. I've never used it, so its hard to comment. The carts I recommend maybe had for slightly higher. But usually I wait for such things to happen and then its time and reason to upgrade :) There are other carts, which work veyr well but less well known. One cart I love to use on vocals is the Micro Seiki 2000/M. Another is from Excel who was a big OEM cart manufacturer. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Shalom Michael! Yes you advice him to BUY...another cartridge, sure will cost more that retyping his oldie OC-9...which he states that DO NOT WANT TO SPELL money do it...the Talisman suffices! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Michael Amster >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:02:04 -0800 > >Michael Moore wrote: > >>Greetings everyone, >>The cartridge (audio-technica OC9, a MC) on my Dragon CT apparently has >>been damaged. >>The cantilever deviates from vertical about 15 degrees towards the >>spindle. >>I was hoping to use this tt to transfer to tape some selections for the >>upcoming Nak Marathon IIIa >>(which, by the way is almost complete, musicwise, and will be on the way >>to Kermit soon), but will >>probably need a new cartridge. Retipping this one might cost as much as a >>new AT-OC9, which can >>be had for $279, and take too long. >>Any recommendations for a new cart in this price range? >>I also have a used Talisman S but am unfamiliar with it, never having used >>it. Is this sonically about the same >>level as the AT-OC9? >>Any thoughts Bal, Kermit, others? >>Atlanta Mike >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >In roughly this range I would recommend the Dynavector 10x5 = >http://www.dynavector.co.jp/english/frame_cart/frame.html >I would also recommend the Goldring 1042 cartridge (a very nice MM design) >- http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/g1042e.html > >-MA >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 10:30:47 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:30:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate Message-ID: Shalom Adam! DO IT...you will enjoy after that very...very...much your Dragon deck! Only...please READ completely the Operating Instructions.., before operating for 100% satisfaction!!!! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: "Adam Falcrest" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:25:06 -0000 > >Thanks for your help. > >I was able to find their telephone number and spoke to one of their >representitives who told me that a service would cost between �200 and >�250. > >A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Marsh > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:24 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate > > > Adam, > > I think you nead the services of Bowers and Wilkins, Worthing. they >have a website it is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/ They are >UKs finest Nak specialists and not that expensive! > > Good luck with the Dragon! > > Colin > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Falcrest [mailto:falcrest at tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: 17 March 2005 22:21 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon repair/calibrate > > > Hi All > > Anyone know where I can find someone with a good reputation and >experience in reparing/calibrating Nakamichi Dragons in the United Kingdom >(yorkshire) > > My machine is a bit worn and needs some attention. > > Im sure the questions been asked before. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Adam > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 10:52:41 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:52:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Message-ID: Shalom Gary! >Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model >number? To my knowledge...the Oldie Tri-Tracer 1000 or 1000/2 and 1000ZXL >have Pitch control...my question is "WHY"...you need that feature? With all >modern decks the speed is correctly....I assume/take for granted! >I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse Wrong...considerateness..the >Dragon with NAAC...will be the "Ultimate Solution/Answer"... for better >copies to Cd's! As NOT ALWAYS/FOREVER....your >LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of >different decks over the years; had 100% perfectly/utterly playback head >aligned...so the NAAC Dragon's characteristic will do the "Very >best/Ultimate" playback on your oldies recorded cassettes. Good Luck! ALEX! >From: "HEAGLE, GARY" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:05:31 -0500 > > >Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting into the >wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally getting >into my price range! > >Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model >number? > >I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of >different decks over the years and want to start transferring them to >CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth controls >will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible >transfer. > >I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth >adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. > >Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? > >Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! > >Regards, >Gary > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Mar 21 11:31:46 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:31:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: <000b01c52d46$324265a0$37de4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I seem to remember that Len Gregory recommends the Hadcock arms as they are low effective mass and suit a high compliance cartridge like his revamped Grado. I use the Hadcock GH228 myself and there certainly seems to be a synergy with cartridges like the old Ortofon VMS 30 fine line and of course the Shure V15 variants. I know that MC cartridges are considered tops, but there is something to be said for high compliance MM cartridges, especially if you think that tracking at 1 gram is treating the record surface with a great deal of respect. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 20 March 2005 12:13 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Bala said: "I personally keep a Roksan Corus Black which is a 1042, with an improved stylus. " I have a DNM Reca, which is also an adapted 1042. Best MM cartridge I've used so far. (Beat my Shure VST V.) However, one day I would like to try the Cartridge Man's special Moving Iron .... I forget the name off hand but I've heard it wacks many a MC cartridge that sell for much more money. It is also allegedly very well suited to my Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage. They are often sold together as a pair. However, Len Gregory (the Cartridge Man) doesn't recommend his cartridges with Rega arms (I have a modified RB300), says they are not very compatible. He suggests Haddock arms. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 12:10:44 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:10:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote files for Philips Pronto NEO Message-ID: Hi, Here's the CR-7 .ccf file. Just wondering, how many others on naktalk use pronto's? >From: Fugue >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote files for Philips Pronto NEO >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:55:01 -0500 > >Hi, all: > >Last October a kind soul on the list sent me a "copy" file of the RMC7A >(CR7A Remote) remote codes for a Philips Pronto. I have since lost the >files to a computer crash. > >If they are still out there, a replacement copy would be greatly >appreciated--contact me off list if you need to. > >Regards, > >Paul Dingle >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CR7.ccf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 12692 bytes Desc: not available URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Mon Mar 21 14:02:03 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:02:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? In-Reply-To: <423DC97B.877144FF@bell.ca> References: <423DC97B.877144FF@bell.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050321071609.02a8b5b0@pop.videotron.ca> Gary, None of the Nak decks have all the features you are looking for. 1000ZXL has three heads, pitch control and RECORD azimuth but you are looking for PLAYBACK azimuth. Dragon has automatic playback azimuth while CR-7, Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 have manual playback azimuth. Having adjustable playback azimuth certainly is a big help in bringing old cassettes back to life. Differences in azimuth between different decks are huge and certainly audible. They become even more audible when Dolby noise reduction is used. Pitch can be usefull as well. Bear in mind though that perfect pitch is rarely attained. Even on a Nak deck, pitch may vary quite a bit if you compare a deck you just turned on with one that has been playing for an hour. As long as the speed is stable (i.e. with no audible wow and flutter) being off by as much as one percent or even a bit more is probably not audible. I have tested a lot of decks for speed accuracy over the years and I found that most cassette decks are typically 0.5 to 1% fast. Of course, if you compound the speed differences of the playback deck with that of the record deck, results may become audible but I think this would be more the exception than the rule. You may want to use your MR-1 (and its pitch control) as a playback deck only for transfers to another medium. You could remove the cassette door of the MR-1 and use a screwdriver to turn the proper screw and adjust azimuth by ear, the way it is actually done with CR-7, Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1. The only difference is that you would not have a reference position to come back to when needed (i.e. for monitoring when recording). Not a big deal in my opinion if you use the deck for playback only. Just make sure you precisely locate the correct screw for playback azimuth before actually turning it. Very important: no trial and error procedure here! If you turn the wrong screw, you will turn your deck completely out of alignment. Bringing it back to the correct state could be an expensive procedure unless you own all the equipment, calibration tapes and have the required knowledge for the job. I hope this helps. Regards, (the other) Marc. At 14:05 03/20/2005, you wrote: >Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting into the >wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally getting >into my price range! > >Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model >number? > >I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of >different decks over the years and want to start transferring them to >CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth controls >will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible >transfer. > >I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth >adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. > >Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? > >Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! > >Regards, >Gary From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 14:37:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:37:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Message-ID: Dear Marc & Gary! Bravo..I'm proud of your extremely ample know ledged on Naks. decks...Also good for me I learn today...! Thank you very much! I think Gary...that you received all the answers that you was seeking & searching! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:02:03 -0500 > >Gary, > >None of the Nak decks have all the features you are looking for. 1000ZXL >has three heads, pitch control and RECORD azimuth but you are looking for >PLAYBACK azimuth. Dragon has automatic playback azimuth while CR-7, >Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 have manual playback azimuth. Having adjustable >playback azimuth certainly is a big help in bringing old cassettes back to >life. Differences in azimuth between different decks are huge and certainly >audible. They become even more audible when Dolby noise reduction is used. > >Pitch can be usefull as well. Bear in mind though that perfect pitch is >rarely attained. Even on a Nak deck, pitch may vary quite a bit if you >compare a deck you just turned on with one that has been playing for an >hour. As long as the speed is stable (i.e. with no audible wow and flutter) >being off by as much as one percent or even a bit more is probably not >audible. I have tested a lot of decks for speed accuracy over the years and >I found that most cassette decks are typically 0.5 to 1% fast. Of course, >if you compound the speed differences of the playback deck with that of the >record deck, results may become audible but I think this would be more the >exception than the rule. > >You may want to use your MR-1 (and its pitch control) as a playback deck >only for transfers to another medium. You could remove the cassette door of >the MR-1 and use a screwdriver to turn the proper screw and adjust azimuth >by ear, the way it is actually done with CR-7, Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1. >The only difference is that you would not have a reference position to come >back to when needed (i.e. for monitoring when recording). Not a big deal in >my opinion if you use the deck for playback only. Just make sure you >precisely locate the correct screw for playback azimuth before actually >turning it. Very important: no trial and error procedure here! If you turn >the wrong screw, you will turn your deck completely out of alignment. >Bringing it back to the correct state could be an expensive procedure >unless you own all the equipment, calibration tapes and have the required >knowledge for the job. > >I hope this helps. > >Regards, > >(the other) Marc. > > > >At 14:05 03/20/2005, you wrote: > >>Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting into the >>wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally getting >>into my price range! >> >>Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model >>number? >> >>I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of >>different decks over the years and want to start transferring them to >>CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth controls >>will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible >>transfer. >> >>I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth >>adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. >> >>Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? >> >>Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! >> >>Regards, >>Gary > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 14:52:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:52:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Message-ID: Dear Drug! YES & NO...depends...an a mainly "Advertising'...in relation of High Compliance MM transducer...is or was..that "Handle/Care for" longer Vinyl life! Not essential requirement...! MC type as my current in use Ortofon's Jubilee cartridge works at 2.5 VTF..., to my hears providing with an a 100% matched medium mass arm as my Rega RB-300 one...better sound, thanks to the shape of the stylus! BTW..I personally hate "Unipivot" type arms...as you MUST...have an a 100% perfectly or utterly leveled or evened turntable...and NOT always is so!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Doug Locke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:31:46 -0000 > >I seem to remember that Len Gregory recommends the Hadcock arms as they are >low effective mass and suit a high compliance cartridge like his revamped >Grado. I use the Hadcock GH228 myself and there certainly seems to be a >synergy with cartridges like the old Ortofon VMS 30 fine line and of course >the Shure V15 variants. I know that MC cartridges are considered tops, but >there is something to be said for high compliance MM cartridges, especially >if you think that tracking at 1 gram is treating the record surface with a >great deal of respect. > >Doug. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Nelson > Sent: 20 March 2005 12:13 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations > > > Bala said: "I personally keep a Roksan Corus Black which is a 1042, with >an improved stylus. " I have a DNM Reca, which is also an adapted 1042. >Best MM cartridge I've used so far. (Beat my Shure VST V.) However, one >day I would like to try the Cartridge Man's special Moving Iron .... I >forget the name off hand but I've heard it wacks many a MC cartridge that >sell for much more money. It is also allegedly very well suited to my >Graham Slee Jazz Club phono stage. They are often sold together as a pair. >However, Len Gregory (the Cartridge Man) doesn't recommend his cartridges >with Rega arms (I have a modified RB300), says they are not very >compatible. >He suggests Haddock arms. > > Gra' >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 07:41:15 2005 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:41:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] how to record on 680ZX Message-ID: Thks guys for the info.I've downloaded the manual from the site.Now it seems my deck has some sort of contact problem. When it comes to adjusting the bias, there's no level displayed in the display even turning the bias pots beneath the display.Sometimes it will display the level for a split second then flickers off So now the deck will auto adjust azimuth, but I can't adjust bias nor record level! Guess my ZX7 will have to do the recording tasks. Really wanted to compare the recording quality of the 680 against the ZX7. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 15:53:03 2005 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:53:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX auto-azmith Message-ID: <032120051453.16023.423EDFCF0003EC0300003E972205886172CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> All, I have been lurking around for about a year...great site and information. I have a 682ZX, and when I try to use the auto calibration button for the azmith I am having problems. It will do it's thing, but continue flashing and not rewind as it is suppose too. I have had a local shop look at it (they used to be an authorized Nak dealer); but they have been unable to get it to function properly. Could "Orange Cap" be rearing it's ugly head? It has been completely serviced new belts etc. Sounds wonderful and records great...if I can get this problem figured out...as you all know...life would be great. Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Mon Mar 21 18:34:53 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:34:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote files for Philips Pronto NEO Message-ID: If you get them, let the group know too. With RMC7A's going for upwards of $125 on eBay, this might be a cheaper alternative. Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:55:01 -0500 From: Fugue Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote files for Philips Pronto NEO To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <061b01c52db0$ada28350$8902a8c0 at WARBIRD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, all: Last October a kind soul on the list sent me a "copy" file of the RMC7A (CR7A Remote) remote codes for a Philips Pronto. I have since lost the files to a computer crash. If they are still out there, a replacement copy would be greatly appreciated--contact me off list if you need to. Regards, Paul Dingle From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Mar 21 20:03:42 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:03:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Alex Surely, levelling the turntable is important for any arm, personally the extra attention to ensuring that things are completely level has never felt like a big chore and seems well worth the effort. Setting the azimuth can be fiddly I will admit, but using an two channel oscilloscope helps a lot. Low mass arms and high compliance cartridges certainly went out of fashion, but Hadcock arms are being manufactured again which is how Len Gregory can recommend them. Regards, Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 21 March 2005 13:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Dear Drug! YES & NO...depends...an a mainly "Advertising'...in relation of High Compliance MM transducer...is or was..that "Handle/Care for" longer Vinyl life! Not essential requirement...! MC type as my current in use Ortofon's Jubilee cartridge works at 2.5 VTF..., to my hears providing with an a 100% matched medium mass arm as my Rega RB-300 one...better sound, thanks to the shape of the stylus! BTW..I personally hate "Unipivot" type arms...as you MUST...have an a 100% perfectly or utterly leveled or evened turntable...and NOT always is so!!!!! ALEX! > From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 20:22:23 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:22:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050321192224.11892.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> The MR-1 is an excellent deck. Two things though. A lot of them have the rubber idler that needs replacing every few years. That's not a big deal really since they are cheap and easy to replace. The 2nd thing is it comes in two flavors the MR-1 with IEC-1 EQ standard and MR-1B with IEC-2 EQ standard. If you are playing tapes made on other manufacturers decks then you probably want the MR-1B since most all decks manufactured after the 80's are IEC-2. If you play a IEC-2 tape in a IEC-1 deck there will be about a 2 dB rise in the high frequencies. You might actually like this since it will brighten up the sound a tad. Oh, by the way, the MR-1B doesn't say "B" anywhere on it. There should be a white dot stuck on the bottom of the deck. The MR-1 has pitch control, which you probably already know, but, it also has Playback Azimuth control which is accessible by removing the cassette door and putting the deck in play. Go to this web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html and scroll down to Fig. 4.17. The playback head azimuth adjustment screw is the one on the far left. If you just had the deck calibrated then you will want to mark the current position of the screw before touching it. When adjusting it to a new tape, do not turn it more than about 1/2 turn either way. One more thing. Check to make sure the pitch control adjustment works. I've come across a lot of MR-1's with bad pots. SJ --- "HEAGLE, GARY" wrote: > > Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting > into the > wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally > getting > into my price range! > > Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? > Model > number? > > I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a > multitude of > different decks over the years and want to start transferring them > to > CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth > controls > will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible > transfer. > > I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth > adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. > > Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? > > Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! > > Regards, > Gary > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From motionman20 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 20:42:51 2005 From: motionman20 at hotmail.com (Motion Man) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:42:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Message-ID: You don't really need to use a cassette deck with adjustable pitch control because most digital audio editing software lets you adjust the pitch of your digital sound file any way that you want. So, adjustable playback azimuth control is all you need to dub your cassettes to digital sound files. I use Cool Edit Pro to make all my digital sound files, but I'm sure that there are other good choices also, such as Nero . Regards, Tom Bigelow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 22 00:27:02 2005 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:27:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c52e6d$7c584600$ec64893e@oemcomputer> Alex said: "Setting the azimuth can be fiddly I will admit, but using an two channel oscilloscope helps a lot." How do you do that, then? Gra' > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 22 05:25:17 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:25:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL In-Reply-To: <20050321192224.11892.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050321192224.11892.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423F9E2D.1040804@snet.net> How about this alternative. Buy a CR-7A and have Jeff Galin add a pitch control. This is exactly what he did for a friend of mine that was preparing to transfer an archive of several thousand cassettes to 96k/24bit digital. It may cost a little bit in total, but you'll have just about everything you could want. I should also add that the CR-7A is a very robust deck, one that I may be inclined to trust more than the Dragon/NAAC arrangement over the long run. Ed > > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 22 05:27:56 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:27:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423F9ECC.9010609@snet.net> Do you ever notice any odd quantitizing artifacts when altering the pitch on the order of 4 to 5 percent? Sort of like bits are being dropped or repeated depending on if you're going up or down. Ed Motion Man wrote: > You don't really need to use a cassette deck with adjustable pitch > control because most digital audio editing software lets you adjust > the pitch of your digital sound file any way that you want. So, > adjustable playback azimuth control is all you need to dub your > cassettes to digital sound files. > > I use Cool Edit Pro to make all my digital sound files, but I'm sure > that there are other good choices also, such as Nero > > Regards, > Tom Bigelow > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 06:47:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:47:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lovely Doug! Yes 2 decades earlier Hadcock arms..were popularly and NOT so expensive. however as Naim's ARO...also an a "Unipivoted" type arm...100% sure much better made and sounding arm..., that Hadcock was ceased to be fabricated! However IF...you determinate to use it..GO FORWARD! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: "Doug Locke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:03:42 -0000 > >Hello Alex > >Surely, levelling the turntable is important for any arm, personally the >extra attention to ensuring that things are completely level has never felt >like a big chore and seems well worth the effort. > >Setting the azimuth can be fiddly I will admit, but using an two channel >oscilloscope helps a lot. > >Low mass arms and high compliance cartridges certainly went out of fashion, >but Hadcock arms are being manufactured again which is how Len Gregory can >recommend them. > > >Regards, >Doug. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 21 March 2005 13:53 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations > > >Dear Drug! > >YES & NO...depends...an a mainly "Advertising'...in relation of High >Compliance MM transducer...is or was..that "Handle/Care for" longer Vinyl >life! Not essential requirement...! > >MC type as my current in use Ortofon's Jubilee cartridge works at 2.5 >VTF..., to my hears providing with an a 100% matched medium mass arm as my >Rega RB-300 one...better sound, thanks to the shape of the stylus! BTW..I >personally hate "Unipivot" type arms...as you MUST...have an a 100% >perfectly or utterly leveled or evened turntable...and NOT always is >so!!!!! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 06:51:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:51:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Look only for a Dragon!!!! of course in perfectly conditions!!! ALEX! >From: "Motion Man" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:42:51 -0500 > >You don't really need to use a cassette deck with adjustable pitch control >because most digital audio editing software lets you adjust the pitch of >your digital sound file any way that you want. So, adjustable playback >azimuth control is all you need to dub your cassettes to digital sound >files. > >I use Cool Edit Pro to make all my digital sound files, but I'm sure that >there are other good choices also, such as Nero . > >Regards, >Tom Bigelow >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sie28873 at lycos.com Tue Mar 22 03:51:05 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:51:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] how to record on 680ZX Message-ID: <20050322025105.A08903384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Tim Thanks Tim for your tip on locating the manuals at http://www.naks.mine.nu/ (from Home->Downloads->Manuals) Been trying to locate the Service Manual for the Naks LX5 off and on, was delighted to locate the LX5 Service Manual there. Great tip! Lots to go through. One thing to point out is that the Contents list chapters 1 to 14 whereas the actual .pdf file contains chapters 1 to 7.9 (with 7.10 to 7.12 onwards to chapter 14 apparently not provided). Anyone with the balance of the chapters? Also on the look out for the owner's manual. Robert -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From martinferreira at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 04:48:25 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:48:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 125 & CR1 record/playback head Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 09:59:08 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:59:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 125 & CR1 record/playback head In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322085908.98482.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> Hmmm. Not sure. The BX-125 uses a RP-2D - 1.2 micron gap head. Not sure what the OG01371A head is. I have a number of of the head P/N's listed on my web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Scroll down to "Nakamichi Heads" SJ --- martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: --------------------------------- Hello Does anyone know if i can use a CR1 R/P head (part # 0G01371A) in a BX 125? Many thanks Martin --------------------------------- MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail & pop-ups. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 10:05:26 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:05:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322090526.77144.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> I am beginning to see that less intelligence (NAAC, ABLE etc.) and more raw dicrete circuit tends to produce a better deck, in terms of reliability. I was studying the circuit of the 680ZX and really admire the simplicity and robustness of the design. However, when the intelligence is working and calibrated, it does produce very good results, in terms of sound. So I think we, esepcially Nakkers are stuck some where inbetween having to make tough choices. I think in about 10 years or so, the Dragon may become stuck in the same situation as the 1000ZXL due to availability of its logic ICs. (This is a BIG may and might not happen). The technology within these decks may not be amazing to us today, but to think it was conceived 20 over years ago is nothing short of amazing. Bala Edward Noyes wrote: How about this alternative. Buy a CR-7A and have Jeff Galin add a pitch control. This is exactly what he did for a friend of mine that was preparing to transfer an archive of several thousand cassettes to 96k/24bit digital. It may cost a little bit in total, but you'll have just about everything you could want. I should also add that the CR-7A is a very robust deck, one that I may be inclined to trust more than the Dragon/NAAC arrangement over the long run. Ed > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 10:19:39 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:19:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL References: <20050321192224.11892.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com> <423F9E2D.1040804@snet.net> Message-ID: Hello all, you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some information (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 (without operating manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be set. I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast or slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? Sorry again for asking such trivial things. Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Noyes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL > How about this alternative. Buy a CR-7A and have Jeff Galin add a pitch > control. This is exactly what he did for a friend of mine that was > preparing to transfer an archive of several thousand cassettes to > 96k/24bit digital. It may cost a little bit in total, but you'll have just > about everything you could want. I should also add that the CR-7A is a > very robust deck, one that I may be inclined to trust more than the > Dragon/NAAC arrangement over the long run. > > Ed > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From luis at peromarta.org Tue Mar 22 11:51:22 2005 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:51:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: <200503171458.j2HEwSIh019966@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503171458.j2HEwSIh019966@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <423FF8AA.9030800@peromarta.org> Yep, I agree. I have been using Lame with VBR for some time now, and it makes a difference. However, I recently bought an iPod + iTunes, and have been testing to certain extent Apple'c AAC encoder (MPEG-4). I have to say, at 128Kbps, I have not noticed any difference at all with the old Lame VBR, and most of the times file is at least half the size. Any comments on that on? Best rgds, LP. Mark Caton escribió: > Kermit, > You ideas on improving mp3s are quite radical - I wish well in pursuing > those goals, and would be interested in any results. > > Not quite so radical is the choice of bitrate and encoder for creating mp3s > - it should be known that not all mp3s are created equal. What we download > we have no control over, but those we create ourselves we can do something > about. So choosing an encoder like LAME, and using high quality settings > with variable bit rate (up to 320), can make a degree of difference. A good > player (e.g. i-river)and good headphones (e.g. etymotic) also helps. See any > comparisons to taping? You should! Good quality components, with good > sources can make a heck of a difference. Makes my commute almost bearable. > > Cheers, > Mark > -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 12:45:25 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:45:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shalom Istvan! Since my first Nak deck was the "Legendary' Tri-Tracer 1000/2 from 1978/82...here I will copy from my Instruction manual what concerns to the Pitch Control! >Standard tape speed of 1-7/8 ips, is set at clique position in the center. >The tape speed of 1-7/8 ips, will be always maintened in recording, >regardless of the position of the PITCH CONTROL Knob.< ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask >ESL >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:19:39 +0100 > >Hello all, > >you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some >information (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 >(without operating manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be >set. >I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast or >slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? > >Sorry again for asking such trivial things. > >Kind regards, >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Noyes" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:25 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL > > >>How about this alternative. Buy a CR-7A and have Jeff Galin add a pitch >>control. This is exactly what he did for a friend of mine that was >>preparing to transfer an archive of several thousand cassettes to >>96k/24bit digital. It may cost a little bit in total, but you'll have just >>about everything you could want. I should also add that the CR-7A is a >>very robust deck, one that I may be inclined to trust more than the >>Dragon/NAAC arrangement over the long run. >> >>Ed >> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 12:53:05 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:53:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: <000b01c52e6d$7c584600$ec64893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Sorry my dear champion...I DON't wrote that...! With my SME Series 3 I received a "Gauge/Calibre"...which makes the "Lateral Azimuth"...extremely easy and 100% on the nose ALEX! >From: "Tanya Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:27:02 -0000 > >Alex said: "Setting the azimuth can be fiddly I will admit, but using an >two >channel >oscilloscope helps a lot." > >How do you do that, then? > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 22 14:49:34 2005 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:34 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. Message-ID: <20050322134934.98567.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com> I rang up the guy in Sydney I got my RX-505 from, and he's happy to wait a few months till I have the money. Apparently it's in excellent condition cosmetically and internally, just been serviced and has a remote. I guess it'd be nice to have a ZX-9 but they ain't easy to come by! Everyone seems to say that the difference between the 7/9 is microscopic so... Regarding the NAAC circuits in the Dragon becoming like finding A.B.L.E. chips for a 1000ZXL in ten years time or so, this could be very true - and I wonder about the chips in the CR-7 too. I really hate Nakamichi for dropping the spares for everything but the DR series (and I think the Cassette Deck). I know it's a recurring theme in high-end audio, but SOME companies stand by what they sell and have ever sold, now and forever - Accuphase, others. Iain Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From baynett at optonline.net Tue Mar 22 15:19:14 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:19:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. In-Reply-To: <20050322134934.98567.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050322134934.98567.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42402962.9080404@optonline.net> I have no facts and can't recall the details but I remember something about the 7 being more reliable than the 9 I think it was the transport in the 9 was like that in the RX-505 Iain McGhee wrote: >I rang up the guy in Sydney I got my RX-505 from, and >he's happy to wait a few months till I have the money. > Apparently it's in excellent condition cosmetically >and internally, just been serviced and has a remote. > >I guess it'd be nice to have a ZX-9 but they ain't >easy to come by! Everyone seems to say that the >difference between the 7/9 is microscopic so... > >Regarding the NAAC circuits in the Dragon becoming >like finding A.B.L.E. chips for a 1000ZXL in ten years >time or so, this could be very true - and I wonder >about the chips in the CR-7 too. > >I really hate Nakamichi for dropping the spares for >everything but the DR series (and I think the Cassette >Deck). I know it's a recurring theme in high-end >audio, but SOME companies stand by what they sell and >have ever sold, now and forever - Accuphase, others. > >Iain > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Tue Mar 22 15:22:46 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:22:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: <000b01c52e6d$7c584600$ec64893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hello Gra' If you use a test record or a good quality mono record while monitoring the two channels on a scope, you can set things up to get the two channels as equal as possible. You can either add the two channels with one inverted at the scope and then minimise the resultant signal, or use the xy input and look at the Lissajou pattern. There is a good explanation here http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/azimuthvta.html. Better men than I just use their ears of course! Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 21 March 2005 23:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations Alex said: "Setting the azimuth can be fiddly I will admit, but using an two channel oscilloscope helps a lot." How do you do that, then? Gra' > = From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 15:59:44 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:59:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL References: Message-ID: Shalom ALEX, thank you for this information. But this was only one half answer to my question. What is if I got a casette which is for example too fast? Shall I set the knob only to my ears, or is there any other way to indicate the right speed (hardly believe...)? This is simply a methodical question, as I usually use only self-(NAK)-recorded cassettes, but this issue seems to be important for other members. Thank you again! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL > Shalom Istvan! > > Since my first Nak deck was the "Legendary' Tri-Tracer 1000/2 from > 1978/82...here I will copy from my Instruction manual what concerns to the > Pitch Control! > >>Standard tape speed of 1-7/8 ips, is set at clique position in the center. >>The tape speed of 1-7/8 ips, will be always maintened in recording, >>regardless of the position of the PITCH CONTROL Knob.< > > ALEX! > > > >>From: Sándor István >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just >>ask ESL >>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:19:39 +0100 >> >>Hello all, >> >>you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some >>information (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 >>(without operating manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be >>set. >>I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast or >>slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? >> >>Sorry again for asking such trivial things. >> >>Kind regards, >>István >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Noyes" >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:25 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask >>ESL >> >> >>>How about this alternative. Buy a CR-7A and have Jeff Galin add a pitch >>>control. This is exactly what he did for a friend of mine that was >>>preparing to transfer an archive of several thousand cassettes to >>>96k/24bit digital. It may cost a little bit in total, but you'll have >>>just about everything you could want. I should also add that the CR-7A is >>>a very robust deck, one that I may be inclined to trust more than the >>>Dragon/NAAC arrangement over the long run. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 16:02:26 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:02:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. References: <20050322134934.98567.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Iain, please let me know if you get any particular impression of the capabilities of your newly acquired ZX-7. I am curious to know of your opinion, as you used RX505 for an extended time, and maybe you are unbiased for the ZX. Hope you will be satisfied with the ZX-7. Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McGhee" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. >I rang up the guy in Sydney I got my RX-505 from, and > he's happy to wait a few months till I have the money. > Apparently it's in excellent condition cosmetically > and internally, just been serviced and has a remote. > > I guess it'd be nice to have a ZX-9 but they ain't > easy to come by! Everyone seems to say that the > difference between the 7/9 is microscopic so... > > Regarding the NAAC circuits in the Dragon becoming > like finding A.B.L.E. chips for a 1000ZXL in ten years > time or so, this could be very true - and I wonder > about the chips in the CR-7 too. > > I really hate Nakamichi for dropping the spares for > everything but the DR series (and I think the Cassette > Deck). I know it's a recurring theme in high-end > audio, but SOME companies stand by what they sell and > have ever sold, now and forever - Accuphase, others. > > Iain > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From srudick at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 17:25:26 2005 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:25:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX auto-azmith In-Reply-To: <032120051453.16023.423EDFCF0003EC0300003E972205886172CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Probably alignment/calibration problem. Could be a defective head but not likely. Unlikely an orange cap problem unless it�s the bias oscillator. Steve/Audiotech Montreal Authorized Nak Service ----Original Message Follows---- From: johnn380 at comcast.net Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX auto-azmith Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:53:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from zxe.naks.com ([80.57.197.177]) by mc10-f39.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:12:48 -0800 Received: from zxe.naks.com (zxe.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LF7cDe031255;Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:07:41 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LEr3h9031148for <naktalk at naks.com>; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:53:04 +0100 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc15.attbi.com[204.127.197.125])by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTPid <2005032114530301300eheppe>; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:53:04 +0000 Received: from [192.91.75.30] by 204.127.197.111;Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:53:03 +0000 X-Message-Info: APgguKHtcSArKLc06pWT4+doLBy+BTk9OZHIois0qEc= X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: am9obm4zODBAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:05:58 +0100 X-BeenThere: naktalk at naks.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk.naks.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>,<mailto:naktalk-request at naks.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk> List-Post: <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> List-Help: <mailto:naktalk-request at naks.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>,<mailto:naktalk-request at naks.com?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Return-Path: naktalk-bounces at naks.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 15:12:49.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[71CFF1F0:01C52E28] All, I have been lurking around for about a year...great site and information. I have a 682ZX, and when I try to use the auto calibration button for the azmith I am having problems. It will do it's thing, but continue flashing and not rewind as it is suppose too. I have had a local shop look at it (they used to be an authorized Nak dealer); but they have been unable to get it to function properly. Could "Orange Cap" be rearing it's ugly head? It has been completely serviced new belts etc. Sounds wonderful and records great...if I can get this problem figured out...as you all know...life would be great. Thanks, John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 18:10:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:10:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shalom Istvan! or is there any other way to indicate >the right speed (hardly believe...)? Sorry...I really can't answer this question....honestly...don't experienced! ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask >ESL >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:59:44 +0100 > >Shalom ALEX, >thank you for this information. >But this was only one half answer to my question. >What is if I got a casette which is for example too fast? Shall I set the >knob only to my ears, or is there any other way to indicate the right speed >(hardly believe...)? > >This is simply a methodical question, as I usually use only >self-(NAK)-recorded cassettes, but this issue seems to be important for >other members. > >Thank you again! >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:45 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask >ESL > > >>Shalom Istvan! >> >>Since my first Nak deck was the "Legendary' Tri-Tracer 1000/2 from >>1978/82...here I will copy from my Instruction manual what concerns to the >>Pitch Control! >> >>>Standard tape speed of 1-7/8 ips, is set at clique position in the >>>center. The tape speed of 1-7/8 ips, will be always maintened in >>>recording, regardless of the position of the PITCH CONTROL Knob.< >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >>>From: S�ndor Istv�n >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just >>>ask ESL >>>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:19:39 +0100 >>> >>>Hello all, >>> >>>you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some >>>information (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 >>>(without operating manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be >>>set. >>>I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast >>>or slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? >>> >>>Sorry again for asking such trivial things. >>> >>>Kind regards, >>>Istv�n >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Noyes" >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:25 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask >>>ESL >>> >>> >>>>How about this alternative. Buy a CR-7A and have Jeff Galin add a pitch >>>>control. This is exactly what he did for a friend of mine that was >>>>preparing to transfer an archive of several thousand cassettes to >>>>96k/24bit digital. It may cost a little bit in total, but you'll have >>>>just about everything you could want. I should also add that the CR-7A >>>>is a very robust deck, one that I may be inclined to trust more than the >>>>Dragon/NAAC arrangement over the long run. >>>> >>>>Ed >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 18:30:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:30:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi..to all of you! I think that also using our lovely Nak 3 heads decks on "Source"...and looking well the meter bars..., align the headshell using a small mirror...till both sides of the cartridge...reflects 100% exactly to your eyes, and look at the meter bars if they are equally/evenly...if NOT...play the record again after twisting /overrefinement very lightly/gently the headshell to any side...if it's worsened...,return back to the "Center"...and change by reversal to the other side...till the "meter bars"...on your calibrated Nad deck are 100% exactly matched! Seriously...I never try what I write...as my current in use Rega RB-300 arm "CAN'T" be twisted! + my Top of the Line Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge it's 100% adjusted! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: "Doug Locke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:22:46 -0000 > >Hello Gra' > >If you use a test record or a good quality mono record while monitoring the >two channels on a scope, you can set things up to get the two channels as >equal as possible. You can either add the two channels with one inverted at >the scope and then minimise the resultant signal, or use the xy input and >look at the Lissajou pattern. > >There is a good explanation here >http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/azimuthvta.html. > >Better men than I just use their ears of course! > >Doug. > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Tanya Nelson >Sent: 21 March 2005 23:27 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations > > >Alex said: "Setting the azimuth can be fiddly I will admit, but using an >two >channel >oscilloscope helps a lot." > >How do you do that, then? > >Gra' > > > >= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 22 19:10:54 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:10:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c52f0a$7d5aac80$cd8f87d9@oemcomputer> Thanks Doug - I'll go looksee. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Locke > Sent: 22 March 2005 14:23 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon CT cart recommendations > > > Hello Gra' > > If you use a test record or a good quality mono record while > monitoring the > two channels on a scope, you can set things up to get the two channels as > equal as possible. You can either add the two channels with one > inverted at > the scope and then minimise the resultant signal, or use the xy input and > look at the Lissajou pattern. > > There is a good explanation here > http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/azimuthvta.html. > > Better men than I just use their ears of course! > > Doug. > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 22 19:10:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:10:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. In-Reply-To: <42402962.9080404@optonline.net> Message-ID: <003601c52f0a$7e45a8c0$cd8f87d9@oemcomputer> I don't recall that but the ZX7 does have drive belt, which is not required in the ZX9 as I understand it shares the same direct drive motor system as the Dragon. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of baynett > Sent: 22 March 2005 14:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. > > > I have no facts and can't recall the details but I remember something > about the 7 being more reliable than the 9 I think it was the transport > in the 9 was like that in the RX-505 > > From jberger at well.com Tue Mar 22 22:51:06 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:51:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Something to wear while riding your Nakamichi bicycle Message-ID: Here's a Nakamichi baseball jacket, size XL, on eBay: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Wed Mar 23 04:03:27 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:03:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Transport Problem References: <423D8903.1060001@cox.net> Message-ID: <00a001c52f54$e3358120$c901a8c0@cn593434a> To the group; My beloved 480 seems to have a transport problem. When a tape is inserted and play is pressed, the output is slight muted and then increases in output after about 20 seconds to normal levels. With a 90 minute tape, about half will then play normally. At about the middle of the tape, is slows suddenly and then plays at the slower speed through the rest of the tape side. Winding and rewinding are OK but after doing so a few times have no effect and the tape still slows down in the middle. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks so much for a tremendous resource on the web. Some day soon, I will add my available dollars to support this service. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.winter at siemens.com Wed Mar 23 09:01:29 2005 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:01:29 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA2E0C18@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hello István, your answer isn't at all trivial as it may seem. I'm afraid you can only trust your ears if it comes to playback speed, since you almost never will have tapes with calibration tones available, that have been recorded on that specific deck used while recording the music or whatever. Also recording on your current Nak deck (when - to my knowledge - all Nak decks disable the pitch control) doesn't give you the guarantee to record at the correct 4.76 cm per second. But there may be a method to determine the correct playback speed - I used this method while transferring music from tape to harddisk using my Nak BX-300. I played back the tape-recorded program and compared it to a CD playing the same track (you may use a mp3 track also) and adjusted the playback speed accordingly. I put the pitch control back in the same position anytime when dubbing a tape that came from the same source-deck. This may vary if there have been long periods of time between recording from that particular deck since variable resistors (such as used in adjusting the capstan speed) always tend to change their values due to age and environmental conditions - and so does recording speed. Hope this helps a bit. Best regards, Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Sándor István Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. März 2005 10:20 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL Hello all, you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some information (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 (without operating manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be set. I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast or slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? Sorry again for asking such trivial things. Kind regards, István From swiego at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 00:48:28 2005 From: swiego at hotmail.com (Ess Wiego) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:48:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks. Message-ID: Okay, obviously Nakamichi has its seat at the table of the great cassette deck makers. That goes without saying, and used selling prices explain it. Ditto Studer and Revox for their massive masterpieces. Pioneer can point to high demand for 1250s over on eBay, and FLEX really works well on their newer decks. Marantz had their fair share of innovation in the compact cassette universe. Sony had some sweet decks, and not only invented but perfected the portable compact cassette player with some masterpieces of miniaturization. When I go on eBay, however, I can't help but notice quite a few pricey Denon, Harmon Kardon and Onkyo decks that seem to generate a lot of interest. Researching these decks I find it hard to see what the smoking gun was. They're all solid, quality 3-motor, 3-head units with a lot of weight and all the standard features. But, there's nothing magical, and yet, they sell for some rather lofty prices... considering. So, what's the appeal? Any thoughts? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From christopher.winter at siemens.com Wed Mar 23 10:13:38 2005 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:13:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA2E0C35@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hello István, your QUESTION (sorry for the mistake - switching off the brain while writing isn't that good...) isn't at all trivial as it may seem. I'm afraid you can only trust your ears if it comes to playback speed, since you almost never will have tapes with calibration tones available, that have been recorded on that specific deck used while recording the music or whatever. Also recording on your current Nak deck (when - to my knowledge - all Nak decks disable the pitch control) doesn't give you the guarantee to record at the correct 4.76 cm per second. But there may be a method to determine the correct playback speed - I used this method while transferring music from tape to harddisk using my Nak BX-300. I played back the tape-recorded program and compared it to a CD playing the same track (you may use a mp3 track also) and adjusted the playback speed accordingly. I put the pitch control back in the same position anytime when dubbing a tape that came from the same source-deck. This may vary if there have been long periods of time between recording from that particular deck since variable resistors (such as used in adjusting the capstan speed) always tend to change their values due to age and environmental conditions - and so does recording speed. Hope this helps a bit. Best regards, Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Sándor István Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. März 2005 10:20 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL Hello all, you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some information (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 (without operating manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be set. I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast or slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? Sorry again for asking such trivial things. Kind regards, István From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 12:53:20 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:53:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323115320.65216.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Graham ZX 9 requires belt to drive the other capstan - only one capstan is driven by DD motor. Only Dragon has two DD motor and require no belt for main functions but anyway requires a belt for motion sensing! Kannan Nelson wrote: I don't recall that but the ZX7 does have drive belt, which is not required in the ZX9 as I understand it shares the same direct drive motor system as the Dragon. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of baynett > Sent: 22 March 2005 14:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. > > > I have no facts and can't recall the details but I remember something > about the 7 being more reliable than the 9 I think it was the transport > in the 9 was like that in the RX-505 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.winter at siemens.com Wed Mar 23 13:56:40 2005 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:56:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA2E0CB7@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hello Gary, since I'm also trying to "save" my cassette collection from ageing and wear, I've encountered similar problems. There are about 250 cassettes, mostly recorded on Denon, Grundig, and Dual decks (which means 2 Heads, 3 Heads, Dolby B, C or non at all, and also Autoreverse heads) and the effects while dubbing to harddisk were quite different. Prerecorded tapes are sometimes even harder to deal with. During the last months I transferred quite some Gigabytes from tape to CD / DVD and found out that - Cassettes that have been recorded in the late 70s didn't sound that bad as I expected, (CD's which are only about 10 years old give much more cause for concern... or alarm!) - It's not always a three head deck that reveals most of the brightness of the old recording, - Speed issues occur more frequently than I expected, - tapes recorded with Dolby (mostly with B-type NR) are the hardest things to deal with I have had very good results with a BX 100, that I modified somewhat. This deck has a gear drive, where the takeup-torque is about 45 gcm, so it doesn't complain on bad cassette shells. The azimuth can be aligned manually (by removing the cassette door as Marc described it). I'm currently thinking about a self-made pitch-control by modifying the capstan-motor's adjustment, since the majority of my old tapes doesn't sound well on the (aligned) BX-300. When it comes to Dolby C, I'm using a BX 150 in the same way, and this one has a brand new gear-drive tape transport (new heads, rollers etc.), so it'll replace the BX-100 some day. Correcting pitch errors via digital processing doesn't seem reasonable to me because it has to deal with certain limitations. Normally this is accomplished by dropping or duplicating samples which almost always "does something" to the music (besides the fact that digitizing always "did something" to the music already!) which you may be able to hear. Correcting pitch aberration in the analogue domain does something like compressing or stretching the sample rate to achieve the result, which digitally isn't that simple to do. And - as some other experienced Nakkers mentioned already - it's best to get the optimum quality from the analogue domain, and to keep digital processing at a minimum. Just my two cents... Best regards, Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von HEAGLE, GARY Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. März 2005 20:06 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting into the wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally getting into my price range! Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model number? I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of different decks over the years and want to start transferring them to CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth controls will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible transfer. I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! Regards, Gary From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 15:44:03 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:44:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323144403.90242.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Get a BX 300 with pitch control - azimuth can be changed manaually - This deck is fantastic if the heads are in good condition. Generally BX 300 can be gotten cheaper than MR1and willbe better than the BX 1/150 etc Kannan Winter Christopher wrote: Hello Gary, since I'm also trying to "save" my cassette collection from ageing and wear, I've encountered similar problems. There are about 250 cassettes, mostly recorded on Denon, Grundig, and Dual decks (which means 2 Heads, 3 Heads, Dolby B, C or non at all, and also Autoreverse heads) and the effects while dubbing to harddisk were quite different. Prerecorded tapes are sometimes even harder to deal with. During the last months I transferred quite some Gigabytes from tape to CD / DVD and found out that - Cassettes that have been recorded in the late 70s didn't sound that bad as I expected, (CD's which are only about 10 years old give much more cause for concern... or alarm!) - It's not always a three head deck that reveals most of the brightness of the old recording, - Speed issues occur more frequently than I expected, - tapes recorded with Dolby (mostly with B-type NR) are the hardest things to deal with I have had very good results with a BX 100, that I modified somewhat. This deck has a gear drive, where the takeup-torque is about 45 gcm, so it doesn't complain on bad cassette shells. The azimuth can be aligned manually (by removing the cassette door as Marc described it). I'm currently thinking about a self-made pitch-control by modifying the capstan-motor's adjustment, since the majority of my old tapes doesn't sound well on the (aligned) BX-300. When it comes to Dolby C, I'm using a BX 150 in the same way, and this one has a brand new gear-drive tape transport (new heads, rollers etc.), so it'll replace the BX-100 some day. Correcting pitch errors via digital processing doesn't seem reasonable to me because it has to deal with certain limitations. Normally this is accomplished by dropping or duplicating samples which almost always "does something" to the music (besides the fact that digitizing always "did something" to the music already!) which you may be able to hear. Correcting pitch aberration in the analogue domain does something like compressing or stretching the sample rate to achieve the result, which digitally isn't that simple to do. And - as some other experienced Nakkers mentioned already - it's best to get the optimum quality from the analogue domain, and to keep digital processing at a minimum. Just my two cents... Best regards, Christopher -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von HEAGLE, GARY Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. M�rz 2005 20:06 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth? Hi folks. Pardon the following question, but I am just getting into the wonderful world of Nakamichi cassette decks. They are finally getting into my price range! Is there a deck that has 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth controls? Model number? I have a LOT of old cassettes that have been recorded on a multitude of different decks over the years and want to start transferring them to CDs (wave files). I believe that having the Pitch and Azimuth controls will give me the best flexibility to accomplish the best possible transfer. I have a line on a MR1 but apparently it doesn't have the Azimuth adjust. I'd prefer to stay away from Auto-Reverse. Am I dreaming here or does such a deck exist? Thanks in adavnce for any assistance! Regards, Gary ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 10:13:37 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:13:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL References: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA2E0C18@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Message-ID: Dear Christopher, thank you for your explanation. I never used that pitch control, and maybe will never use it, but I was interested how it should be set. Thanks a lot again. Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Winter Christopher" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: AW: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just ask ESL > Hello István, > > your answer isn't at all trivial as it may seem. > I'm afraid you can only trust your ears if it comes to playback speed, > since you almost never will have tapes with calibration tones available, > that have been recorded on that specific deck used while recording the > music or whatever. > Also recording on your current Nak deck (when - to my knowledge - all Nak > decks disable the > pitch control) doesn't give you the guarantee to record at the correct > 4.76 cm per second. > > But there may be a method to determine the correct playback speed - I used > this method while > transferring music from tape to harddisk using my Nak BX-300. > I played back the tape-recorded program and compared it to a CD playing > the same track (you may > use a mp3 track also) and adjusted the playback speed accordingly. I put > the pitch control > back in the same position anytime when dubbing a tape that came from the > same source-deck. > > This may vary if there have been long periods of time between recording > from that particular > deck since variable resistors (such as used in adjusting the capstan > speed) always tend to > change their values due to age and environmental conditions - and so does > recording speed. > > Hope this helps a bit. > > > Best regards, > > Christopher > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag > von Sándor István > Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. März 2005 10:20 > An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak with 3 heads, Pitch and Azimuth?... Just > ask ESL > > Hello all, > > you speak about the pitch control so much I have to ask for some > information > (sorry for being stupid): though I have a TriTracer1000 (without operating > manual), I do not know how the pitch control should be set. > I mean if you have a cassette, how can you identify if that is too fast or > slow? Is there any indicator for this, or only your ears? > > Sorry again for asking such trivial things. > > Kind regards, > István > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 13:29:20 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. Message-ID: Shalom my dear Kannan! Today I recall on one of the main features of my lovely Dragon's!!!! Only ONE belt for "motion Sensing"...thank you very much...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:53:20 -0800 (PST) > >Graham >ZX 9 requires belt to drive the other capstan - only one capstan is driven >by DD motor. Only Dragon has two DD motor and require no belt for main >functions but anyway requires a belt for motion sensing! >Kannan > >Nelson wrote: >I don't recall that but the ZX7 does have drive belt, which is not required >in the ZX9 as I understand it shares the same direct drive motor system as >the Dragon. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of baynett > > Sent: 22 March 2005 14:19 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. > > > > > > I have no facts and can't recall the details but I remember something > > about the 7 being more reliable than the 9 I think it was the transport > > in the 9 was like that in the RX-505 > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bhonhoff at dds.nl Wed Mar 23 15:19:36 2005 From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:19:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Speedcontrol done simple... In-Reply-To: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA2E0C35@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> References: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA2E0C35@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Message-ID: <1111587576.42417af83094e@webmail.dds.nl> Hi, as an proud owner of an DT550 for almost 25 years, here is how I deal with a speed-issue. I use 2 computer tapes (C-10, C-15) from the old days. On both I record the DOLBY Calibration Tone of 400 Hz, provided by the Switch of the DT550 on the back. Then I play one of these tapes on the Mother Recorder (the recorder the orginal tapes come from) and listen to them on a headset. The other tape I play on the Nak DT550 on my Quad and fumble with a small screwdrive in the (undocumented) small hole on the back of the DT550 to get the same speed. As soon as both tones are trying to damp each other you are done! Simple but effective! regards, bart From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 23 15:21:48 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:21:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks. Message-ID: The general rule of thumb is that Japanese brands, whether it's cars or hi-fi - start off making a full house unit, high- powered model and then if marketing require a 6 unit range, they start stripping things off to fit into a price range. By the time you get to the bottom, you're left with the basic machine, or in the case of the car, the minimum legal.... you're lucky to get hubcaps. The top cassette decks from the major manufacturers throughout the years were sometimes pretty good - you mention Onkyo, Denon and Harman. Onkyo were nice looking, reliable and built well. The top models like the TA-2090 were really impressive, and held their own with any top drawer model from manufacturers other than Nakamichi. Nakamichi sound different - very special indeed. The later Onkyos like the TA-2800 were nice looking and while sturdy and good in their own way, were not as well built or flexible as the superdecks of the mid-late eighties. Have a look at the TA-2058. Harman-Kardon's top machines were fine - the KD-491 (hope that's the model) is the one to go for - if it's in good shape. Their last model was, as far as I remember the model no - the TD-4800S. This was a Dolby S, double cap machine and cost a bundle. Denon made high-quality, no-nonsense cassette decks for reasonable money. Aiwa and Akai were well known makers of fine and very interesting machines. Even Sansui made one or two worthwhile machines in the 80s. Consider also Yamaha and Technics when taking other brands out for a spin. From Denon, have a look at the DR-M24HX and -30HX, and slightly later DR-M700A/800A machines. I like their later still DR-M740 - DR-S810 was a curiosity (a dual capstan 3-head drawer loading machine) - it's handsome enough and sounds good with selected material. Don't write off TEAC - they made some serious super-decks which have the advantage of having spares available into the future. Look for V-6000, V-7000, V-8000S and the later V-6030S and V-8030S. Expect to pay a fair amount of money for good examples. Good luck. Marc >>> swiego at hotmail.com 03/23/05 01:48AM >>> Okay, obviously Nakamichi has its seat at the table of the great cassette deck makers. That goes without saying, and used selling prices explain it. Ditto Studer and Revox for their massive masterpieces. Pioneer can point to high demand for 1250s over on eBay, and FLEX really works well on their newer decks. Marantz had their fair share of innovation in the compact cassette universe. Sony had some sweet decks, and not only invented but perfected the portable compact cassette player with some masterpieces of miniaturization. When I go on eBay, however, I can't help but notice quite a few pricey Denon, Harmon Kardon and Onkyo decks that seem to generate a lot of interest. Researching these decks I find it hard to see what the smoking gun was. They're all solid, quality 3-motor, 3-head units with a lot of weight and all the standard features. But, there's nothing magical, and yet, they sell for some rather lofty prices... considering. So, what's the appeal? 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Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D988@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Don't forget the cam motor belt too! -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 10:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. Graham ZX 9 requires belt to drive the other capstan - only one capstan is driven by DD motor. Only Dragon has two DD motor and require no belt for main functions but anyway requires a belt for motion sensing! Kannan Nelson wrote: I don't recall that but the ZX7 does have drive belt, which is not required in the ZX9 as I understand it shares the same direct drive motor system as the Dragon. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of baynett > Sent: 22 March 2005 14:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. > > > I have no facts and can't recall the details but I remember something > about the 7 being more reliable than the 9 I think it was the transport > in the 9 was like that in the RX-505 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 23 22:11:40 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:11:40 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Transport Problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D989@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Sounds to me that the capstan belt is getting too old and loose thus resulting in un-even torque on the capstans flywheels. Take off the lid of your 480 and look at the belt on the flywheels and then press play, if you notice that the belt slips and pulls to either the top of the bottom and then centres that will indicate that the belt is on it's way. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Bauer [mailto:dbauer45 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 2:03 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Transport Problem To the group; My beloved 480 seems to have a transport problem. When a tape is inserted and play is pressed, the output is slight muted and then increases in output after about 20 seconds to normal levels. With a 90 minute tape, about half will then play normally. At about the middle of the tape, is slows suddenly and then plays at the slower speed through the rest of the tape side. Winding and rewinding are OK but after doing so a few times have no effect and the tape still slows down in the middle. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks so much for a tremendous resource on the web. Some day soon, I will add my available dollars to support this service. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 23 20:39:44 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:39:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. In-Reply-To: <20050323115320.65216.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c52fe0$104a1f00$f676893e@oemcomputer> Yes, of course ... my braidn, I mean brain, wasn't/isn't in gear!! I think I'd better have a lie down ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 23 March 2005 11:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. Graham ZX 9 requires belt to drive the other capstan - only one capstan is driven by DD motor. Only Dragon has two DD motor and require no belt for main functions but anyway requires a belt for motion sensing! Kannan Nelson wrote: I don't recall that but the ZX7 does have drive belt, which is not required in the ZX9 as I understand it shares the same direct drive motor system as the Dragon. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of baynett > Sent: 22 March 2005 14:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Decided 2 days ago to get that ZX-7. > > > I have no facts and can't recall the details but I remember something > about the 7 being more reliable than the 9 I think it was the transport > in the 9 was like that in the RX-505 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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And we could go on and on. However, I've never been sure whether Denon, Onkyo, HK, and some of the others ever did the same, or whether they merely attempted to build better mousetraps. >From: "Mark Hugo" >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks. >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:21:48 +0200 > >The general rule of thumb is that Japanese brands, whether it's cars or >hi-fi - start off making a full house unit, high- powered model and then >if marketing require a 6 unit range, they start stripping things off to >fit into a price range. By the time you get to the bottom, you're left >with the basic machine, or in the case of the car, the minimum legal.... >you're lucky to get hubcaps. > >The top cassette decks from the major manufacturers throughout the >years were sometimes pretty good - you mention Onkyo, Denon and Harman. >Onkyo were nice looking, reliable and built well. The top models like >the TA-2090 were really impressive, and held their own with any top >drawer model from manufacturers other than Nakamichi. Nakamichi sound >different - very special indeed. The later Onkyos like the TA-2800 were >nice looking and while sturdy and good in their own way, were not as >well built or flexible as the superdecks of the mid-late eighties. Have >a look at the TA-2058. > >Harman-Kardon's top machines were fine - the KD-491 (hope that's the >model) is the one to go for - if it's in good shape. Their last model >was, as far as I remember the model no - the TD-4800S. This was a Dolby >S, double cap machine and cost a bundle. > >Denon made high-quality, no-nonsense cassette decks for reasonable >money. Aiwa and Akai were well known makers of fine and very >interesting machines. Even Sansui made one or two worthwhile machines >in the 80s. Consider also Yamaha and Technics when taking other brands >out for a spin. From Denon, have a look at the DR-M24HX and -30HX, and >slightly later DR-M700A/800A machines. I like their later still DR-M740 >- DR-S810 was a curiosity (a dual capstan 3-head drawer loading machine) >- it's handsome enough and sounds good with selected material. > >Don't write off TEAC - they made some serious super-decks which have >the advantage of having spares available into the future. Look for >V-6000, V-7000, V-8000S and the later V-6030S and V-8030S. Expect to >pay a fair amount of money for good examples. > >Good luck. > >Marc > > > > > > >>> swiego at hotmail.com 03/23/05 01:48AM >>> >Okay, obviously Nakamichi has its seat at the table of the great >cassette >deck makers. That goes without saying, and used selling prices explain >it. >Ditto Studer and Revox for their massive masterpieces. Pioneer can >point to >high demand for 1250s over on eBay, and FLEX really works well on their > >newer decks. Marantz had their fair share of innovation in the compact > >cassette universe. Sony had some sweet decks, and not only invented >but >perfected the portable compact cassette player with some masterpieces >of >miniaturization. > >When I go on eBay, however, I can't help but notice quite a few pricey > >Denon, Harmon Kardon and Onkyo decks that seem to generate a lot of >interest. Researching these decks I find it hard to see what the >smoking >gun was. They're all solid, quality 3-motor, 3-head units with a lot >of >weight and all the standard features. But, there's nothing magical, >and >yet, they sell for some rather lofty prices... considering. > >So, what's the appeal? Any thoughts? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From flifton at mac.com Thu Mar 24 04:28:52 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:28:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MPEG-4 In-Reply-To: <200503230821.j2N8LZnR005884@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503230821.j2N8LZnR005884@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5817de87f26047455a8024ccb5c3e72d@mac.com> MPEG-4 is very good technology that has yet to gain wide acceptance because it's been tangled in the legal system for some time and proprietary formats (eg, Real, WMV) have sprung up into the void. Mostly, it's been the record companies who have feared (as usual) that this recording technology will wipe them all out (or at least force them to sell one beach house, give up pilates class and do less coke). Sound like a familiar story? In this case, Apple basically stepped up to the plate and by both fighting the lawsuits with their considerable resources and cultivating a good relationship with the record companies (how else could they have launched an mp3 music before everyone else?). I use it on my iPod [ducks Gerald's well-aimed TV remote] and can fit "only" 750 or so tracks instead of a 1000 or so mp3's. But the sound is much, much better; you just basically hear more information and fewer compression artifacts. I've only used it to rip CD's and yes, I agree, at 128 they sound about as good as the original CD's and the files are nice and small. That is, of course, damning with faint praise, since not one CD I own sounds better than new vinyl spun past my worn-out old Dynavector DV-50a or a good analog-source recording played back on my humble CR-3a. So there. best, Fred On Mar 23, 2005, at 12:21 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Yep, I agree. I have been using Lame with VBR for some time now, and > it makes a difference. However, I recently bought an iPod + iTunes, > and have been testing to certain extent Apple'c AAC encoder (MPEG-4). > > I have to say, at 128Kbps, I have not noticed any difference at all > with the old Lame VBR, and most of the times file is at least half the > size. > > Any comments on that on? > > Best rgds, LP. From flifton at mac.com Thu Mar 24 04:38:47 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:38:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? In-Reply-To: <200503231454.j2NErvx4006764@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503231454.j2NErvx4006764@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1da2e04226aa89741ce8f193d6f2d146@mac.com> So my eye has been caught by a CR-7 on ebay that just might go for a reasonable price (i.e, very cheap). The new owner of six months claims "IT wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMANDS AFTER IT POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". Don't you love when they write in all caps? (not to revive that old topic, mind you). To my untutored ear, that sounds like a busted belt, lamp or dried grease, all fixable. What do you experts think? Should I sell my Marc Nutter restored, recently Sanktified, perfectly healthy CR-3 in favor of this damaged beast? thanks, Fred -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 657 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 09:28:13 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:28:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? Message-ID: Shalom Fred! "IT wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY >COMMANDS AFTER IT POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". Ask him or yourself...what exactly means...recently or 10 years earlier!!!!!!!!! You after received "HIS"...reply...decided...is still worthily...??? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:38:47 -0800 > >So my eye has been caught by a CR-7 on ebay that just might go for a >reasonable price (i.e, very cheap). The new owner of six months claims "IT >wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMANDS AFTER IT >POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". > >Don't you love when they write in all caps? (not to revive that old topic, >mind you). To my untutored ear, that sounds like a busted belt, lamp or >dried grease, all fixable. What do you experts think? Should I sell my Marc >Nutter restored, recently Sanktified, perfectly healthy CR-3 in favor of >this damaged beast? > >thanks, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 09:34:00 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:34:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks Message-ID: Shalom Bob! Yea...you are extremely cute....I "Discover"...the "magic" of Nakamichi...when I acquired in 1978 my first Top of the line at those years the Tri-Tracer 1000/2 machine...continue after with "Other Brands"...and at least returned a year ago again to Nakamichi...Dragon...NO MORE CHANGES EVER!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bob Petrovich >Reply-To: bg56322 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:55:19 -0800 (PST) > >Since early 1980s until today I have spent a lot of money on cassette >decks. Pioneer CT-F1250, Technics M85, 260, 280, HK 491, 391, 392, several >Aiwas. > >For that money, I could have bought a ZX-9 and RX-505 new back in the >1982-85, but I didn't. This is my major regret. I could have enjoyed them >all these years, as I do now. > >There is magic around top flight Naks. There is no magic around other >decks. There newer was. > >I guess that people simply bid to have something they wanted in the past. > > >Bob > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 24 09:36:08 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:36:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? References: <200503231454.j2NErvx4006764@zxe.naks.com> <1da2e04226aa89741ce8f193d6f2d146@mac.com> Message-ID: <003601c5304c$8787d140$7758fea9@drewescomp> Blast, the posting by Fred just chased the price up of the disabled CR7 ! Good Luck! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? So my eye has been caught by a CR-7 on ebay that just might go for a reasonable price (i.e, very cheap). The new owner of six months claims "IT wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMANDS AFTER IT POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". Don't you love when they write in all caps? (not to revive that old topic, mind you). To my untutored ear, that sounds like a busted belt, lamp or dried grease, all fixable. What do you experts think? Should I sell my Marc Nutter restored, recently Sanktified, perfectly healthy CR-3 in favor of this damaged beast? thanks, Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 09:59:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:59:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: MPEG-4 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324085934.44387.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> I think it wasn't mp3 which is hurting the recording companies. Rather its mediocre recording and poor program quality from chewing gum artists who stay as long as they stay sweet, and then have to be spat out and forgotton. On my file sharing software, I still notice that Sinatra and the likes enjoy more downloads then Hoobastank and Co. Regards Bala Fred Lifton wrote: MPEG-4 is very good technology that has yet to gain wide acceptance because it's been tangled in the legal system for some time and proprietary formats (eg, Real, WMV) have sprung up into the void. Mostly, it's been the record companies who have feared (as usual) that this recording technology will wipe them all out (or at least force them to sell one beach house, give up pilates class and do less coke). Sound like a familiar story? In this case, Apple basically stepped up to the plate and by both fighting the lawsuits with their considerable resources and cultivating a good relationship with the record companies (how else could they have launched an mp3 music before everyone else?). I use it on my iPod [ducks Gerald's well-aimed TV remote] and can fit "only" 750 or so tracks instead of a 1000 or so mp3's. But the sound is much, much better; you just basically hear more information and fewer compression artifacts. I've only used it to rip CD's and yes, I agree, at 128 they sound about as good as the original CD's and the files are nice and small. That is, of course, damning with faint praise, since not one CD I own sounds better than new vinyl spun past my worn-out old Dynavector DV-50a or a good analog-source recording played back on my humble CR-3a. So there. best, Fred On Mar 23, 2005, at 12:21 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Yep, I agree. I have been using Lame with VBR for some time now, and > it makes a difference. However, I recently bought an iPod + iTunes, > and have been testing to certain extent Apple'c AAC encoder (MPEG-4). > > I have to say, at 128Kbps, I have not noticed any difference at all > with the old Lame VBR, and most of the times file is at least half the > size. > > Any comments on that on? > > Best rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Michael From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 10:37:22 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:37:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324093722.96331.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, and everyone, I have had more hours with other makes, and lesser with Naks. But Naks have my greatest respects and admiration. My Nak 680ZX without any processing sounds like a reel deck with DBX engaged! But I listen to decks like sampling wines, different tone to suit the mood and the type of music. The Nak (most Naks) is a giant killer thats good for everything thrown at it. Archiving, casual listening, critical listening... Coming close is the Aiwa Excelia which is great for most music, pop and rock. Next is the Technics M95. The second most expensive cassette deck made by them (the top is a 50 lbs two box affair!) is lazy sounding, and sounds very warm like a tube unit. Its great for soft vocals, ballads and all that. The Naks, truth and openess wont do here. And so, all my 12 decks have different qualities. I think single cassette deck would mean we would eventually explore other mediums, and spend just feeting moments enjoying cassettes. Bala Bob Petrovich wrote: Since early 1980s until today I have spent a lot of money on cassette decks. Pioneer CT-F1250, Technics M85, 260, 280, HK 491, 391, 392, several Aiwas. For that money, I could have bought a ZX-9 and RX-505 new back in the 1982-85, but I didn't. This is my major regret. I could have enjoyed them all these years, as I do now. There is magic around top flight Naks. There is no magic around other decks. There newer was. I guess that people simply bid to have something they wanted in the past. 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URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thu Mar 24 10:50:22 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:50:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks References: <20050323175519.50972.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c53056$ec2fe650$1410a8c0@TG> Like Bob, tried so many cassette decks, other than Nak, (Sony TCKA6ES, Pioneer 830, Teac 8030, Technics 965, Aiwa Excellia, Denon 790R, NAD6300 etc etc) and most amazing machine in many respects, (still using), Revox H1 (copy of B215). Electronics inside installed like slot cards in computers. Revox has been only name got closer to my ZX9. Unfortunately ZX9 gone (had some mechanical problems with the transport), but H1 still remains like its first day. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Petrovich To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks Since early 1980s until today I have spent a lot of money on cassette decks. Pioneer CT-F1250, Technics M85, 260, 280, HK 491, 391, 392, several Aiwas. For that money, I could have bought a ZX-9 and RX-505 new back in the 1982-85, but I didn't. This is my major regret. I could have enjoyed them all these years, as I do now. There is magic around top flight Naks. There is no magic around other decks. There newer was. I guess that people simply bid to have something they wanted in the past. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Mar 25 05:49:26 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:49:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D98E@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I think that the problem with the CR7 is a stuck cam motor, common problem with the Sankyo transport. My advice is get the unit and then if you fix it sell the CR3. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 2:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? So my eye has been caught by a CR-7 on ebay that just might go for a reasonable price (i.e, very cheap). The new owner of six months claims "IT wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMANDS AFTER IT POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". Don't you love when they write in all caps? (not to revive that old topic, mind you). To my untutored ear, that sounds like a busted belt, lamp or dried grease, all fixable. What do you experts think? Should I sell my Marc Nutter restored, recently Sanktified, perfectly healthy CR-3 in favor of this damaged beast? thanks, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 24 11:35:24 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:35:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks. Message-ID: Hi Ess, Thank you for your kind words!! Here's a very brief set of headlines applicable to the various manufacturers: Akai: Ferrite covered heads on the GX models - a synthetic type of glass ensured a basically zero level of wear to the heads coupled to a very level of abrasion to the tape. GX-95 and GX-95II were discrete head models; many excellent models to go for include the GX-75, 65, 52. The GX glass lamination concept is quite controversioal, if you didn't know!! Aiwa: The budget tape deck of choice - solid, dependable (Volvo??) - exceptionally clean electronics in the F-770and F-990 from the mid-eighties. These decks featured an automated head demagnetisation technology. Later decks included the Excelia models, like -007 and -009. Final superdecks were the Dolby S XK-S7000 and XK-S9000 (monster fan-cooled PSs). Machines like the affordable AD-F810, later the AD-F850 were a great entry model for many in the fudge-free world of double capstan decks. Almost all their decks from the late eighties onwards had a cassette stabilisation design built into the cassette holder - AMTS - Anti-Modulation Tape Stabiliser. Technics: Affordable offerings of machines with direct drive quartz-timed capstan drives. some better units with on-board DBX in the eighties, general ruggedness. Technical highlight - the use of the DCC derived thin-film (also known as amorphous-Z head) for playback in the RS-AZ6 and RS-AZ7 - fine overall performance and wide bandwidth with unusually low, clean and tight bass without any wafffle or bloom. Pioneer: For many salespeople in the hi-fi industry - this marque was often recommended. Their ribbon-sendust heads of the CT-A7 and CT-A9 of 1984-87 were the ealry (not the earliest though) layered heads. Legendary Alvin Gold of Hi-Fi Choice used the CT-95 as his reference - a battleship deck with multi-chip Dolby S. As you know, Pioneer introduced certain technologies including their fully automated Super-Auto BLE calibration. But beware of the "archetypal" Pioneer tonal signature. They were one of the first to offer full system remote operation with family components. Their slant-Z mechanism which enhanced the already very fine "Reference Master" mechanism is acccurate and hardy, albeit clunky. Their Dolby circuits are usually well aligned too. And the modern Pioneers really like type 1 tape by the way. Sony: Ceramic holders, sorbothane padding in the holder and otherwise classy mechanisms nearly (but not quite) eliminated modulation noise that made double capstan machine extant only in the most expensive model/s. The ES models are better built - but like Aiwa, Sony (who own Aiwa) has different model numbers depending on where they are sold. Unlike some mid-priced decks who can't really cut the mustard with type IV tapes, even the affordable Sony TC-KE400S will give you a splendid 80dB D/R joyride. (with Dolby S and Metal). TASCAM- Chassis and casings built from the same sheet steel used for trucks - direct drive capstan motors. Manufactured by TEAC professional division. Main claim to fame - they will outlive you, so make provision in your will. The mechanisms are immensly tough, steady and quiet. Switching quality is very fine. Dolby is good overall, and Dolby C with sensitive type IIs is excellent. TEAC: Colbalt-Amorphous heads - quiet electronics - the best models will give you an unusual level of purity and neutrality. No special technologies bought to the table but more a case of getting the basics right. Wonderful manual calibration option for all upper models. Built to last. Yamaha - Like Pioneer - clunky mechanisms, but steady. Sorbothane holders ensure a smooth ride....Play trim corrects HF losses in advance of the bias trap. Neat, but not the Havana cigar that mechanical azimuth management on a Nakamichi is. Like Pioneer, handling of good type 1 tape is impressive. The KX-580SE is a Dolby S equipped single capstan deck that gets a good job done. The big luminous green Nichihon capacitors in the output stage are reassuring and effective. Worthwhile buys would also be the KX-630 and 930; the 800U and 1200. The three head decks had 12-layer amorphous head designs. Denon: No special technologies - solid, reliable mechanisms and Sanyo-based semi-conductors. Harmon- often ousourced assemblies - no special technologies developed by the guys - in the eighties they had a legend emblazoned on the decks - something like "wideband linear system" - it didn't mean much however. Onkyo - Nothing special in the way of in-house technologies - they called their bias control "accubias". Good machines though. JVC - these guys had an acronym for everything under the sun - no doubt the rising sun. They did develop something called AMTSS - or somesuch. It was an automated noise reduction system that worked exactly like Dolby B. Bear in mind that the best decks ever were centred around getting (1) mechanisms and (2) electronics as good as possible. Most gizmos were clever (usually cheaper) techniques to hide shortcomings that otherwise cost money to improve. Passive electronics are much cheaper than the design, tooling, machining and assembly of a top class mechanism. That's just a brief rundown Ess - hope it helps!! Cheers, Marc >>> "Ess Wiego" 03/24/05 12:55AM >>> Mark, Once again I'm amazed by the depth of knowledge in your response! One day I hope I too can be as knowledgeable about tape deck lore. It certainly can be addicting as a hobby, at least to a degree. I guess what I'm hinting at is, what tape deck makers brought what innovations to the table? Some other people have posted the long and illustrious history of Nakamichi, with their azimuth adjustment, discrete heads, pad lifters and many other features. Quite recently someone else credited Bang & Olufson for HX Pro. Pioneer seems to have brought in-deck digital domain processing to the market, and if I'm not mistaken Teac even had a deck with digital inputs. And we could go on and on. However, I've never been sure whether Denon, Onkyo, HK, and some of the others ever did the same, or whether they merely attempted to build better mousetraps. >From: "Mark Hugo" >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Denon, Harmon Kardon, Onkyo decks. >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:21:48 +0200 > >The general rule of thumb is that Japanese brands, whether it's cars or >hi-fi - start off making a full house unit, high- powered model and then >if marketing require a 6 unit range, they start stripping things off to >fit into a price range. By the time you get to the bottom, you're left >with the basic machine, or in the case of the car, the minimum legal.... >you're lucky to get hubcaps. > >The top cassette decks from the major manufacturers throughout the >years were sometimes pretty good - you mention Onkyo, Denon and Harman. >Onkyo were nice looking, reliable and built well. The top models like >the TA-2090 were really impressive, and held their own with any top >drawer model from manufacturers other than Nakamichi. Nakamichi sound >different - very special indeed. The later Onkyos like the TA-2800 were >nice looking and while sturdy and good in their own way, were not as >well built or flexible as the superdecks of the mid-late eighties. Have >a look at the TA-2058. > >Harman-Kardon's top machines were fine - the KD-491 (hope that's the >model) is the one to go for - if it's in good shape. Their last model >was, as far as I remember the model no - the TD-4800S. This was a Dolby >S, double cap machine and cost a bundle. > >Denon made high-quality, no-nonsense cassette decks for reasonable >money. Aiwa and Akai were well known makers of fine and very >interesting machines. Even Sansui made one or two worthwhile machines >in the 80s. Consider also Yamaha and Technics when taking other brands >out for a spin. From Denon, have a look at the DR-M24HX and -30HX, and >slightly later DR-M700A/800A machines. I like their later still DR-M740 >- DR-S810 was a curiosity (a dual capstan 3-head drawer loading machine) >- it's handsome enough and sounds good with selected material. > >Don't write off TEAC - they made some serious super-decks which have >the advantage of having spares available into the future. Look for >V-6000, V-7000, V-8000S and the later V-6030S and V-8030S. Expect to >pay a fair amount of money for good examples. > >Good luck. > >Marc > > > > > > >>> swiego at hotmail.com 03/23/05 01:48AM >>> >Okay, obviously Nakamichi has its seat at the table of the great >cassette >deck makers. That goes without saying, and used selling prices explain >it. >Ditto Studer and Revox for their massive masterpieces. Pioneer can >point to >high demand for 1250s over on eBay, and FLEX really works well on their > >newer decks. Marantz had their fair share of innovation in the compact > >cassette universe. Sony had some sweet decks, and not only invented >but >perfected the portable compact cassette player with some masterpieces >of >miniaturization. > >When I go on eBay, however, I can't help but notice quite a few pricey > >Denon, Harmon Kardon and Onkyo decks that seem to generate a lot of >interest. Researching these decks I find it hard to see what the >smoking >gun was. They're all solid, quality 3-motor, 3-head units with a lot >of >weight and all the standard features. But, there's nothing magical, >and >yet, they sell for some rather lofty prices... considering. > >So, what's the appeal? Any thoughts? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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You make a good point, I'l query him further. thanks, Fred On Mar 24, 2005, at 12:48 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Shalom Fred! > > "IT wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY >> COMMANDS AFTER IT POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". > > Ask him or yourself...what exactly means...recently or 10 years > earlier!!!!!!!!! > > You after received "HIS"...reply...decided...is still worthily...??? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 21:43:13 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:43:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? In-Reply-To: <1da2e04226aa89741ce8f193d6f2d146@mac.com> Message-ID: Fred, a few years ago I thought I got a bargain by buying a CR5e that suffered the same problems as the CR7 you are after, it would power up but do nothing more. I hoped it would be an easy repair but, the techs found that the logic controller i.c. was fried. The cost of repair was so high I broke the machine for spares! I was told it was not unusual that it fried, possibly because of a lightning strike, a large power surge or the like and that after replacing the ic more faults would probably show up ?? I dont want to put a dampener on your possible purchase but if you go ahead, make sure you have the funds to get it working again! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] Sent: 24 March 2005 03:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? So my eye has been caught by a CR-7 on ebay that just might go for a reasonable price (i.e, very cheap). The new owner of six months claims "IT wAS WORKING FINE, BUT NOW IT WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMANDS AFTER IT POWERS ON. IT SEEMS "FROZEN". Don't you love when they write in all caps? (not to revive that old topic, mind you). To my untutored ear, that sounds like a busted belt, lamp or dried grease, all fixable. What do you experts think? 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Whenever I turn something on, stereo equipment flutters. There is quite a bit of noise on the TV. And so forth. Right now I'm using those cheapo $10 power strips from, uh, the grocery store. I think they are labelled as surge surpressors, but who knows. I am accumulating some rather expensive and rare equipment, lately, so I'm wondering whether I need to make a corresponding investment between this equipment and my wall sockets! I was thinking something along the lines of a Monster HTS5000 if I can find a used one for a good price, but I'd be interested to hear what others use specifically for their tape decks. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From martinferreira at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 18:55:36 2005 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:55:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 on ice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 26 10:50:21 2005 From: rogerperrie at swindon89.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Perrie) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:50:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Message-ID: <001001c531e9$39ef6b20$36194254@pc1> I'm very happy. My recently acquired 700II had several minor problems, but I have managed to fix them all. Speed fluctuation was corrected by fitting new drive belts. Tape spillage was due to insufficient torque on the take up spool, and crackly recorded sound, and "jumpy" meters were all sorted by cleaning the board edge connectors, as was the inoperative rewind function. What an incredible machine to work on, built like a tank and any problems simple to work out with a bit of logical thinking. Recordings made on TDK SA are superb compared to my BX125. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:46:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:46:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pesach and Easter Greetings to all Nakkers Message-ID: Shalom Mark! Same to you...here Easter...has the name of Purim!, Pesach...is the same...! Be always well, and continue enjoying our common hobby Nak. decks!!!!! Very heart fully, ALEX! S >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Pesach and Easter Greetings to all Nakkers >Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:14:05 +0200 > >Shalom and best wishes to all over Easter and the Passover - peace to >you, and your time with family and friends. > >Marc > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 12:40:09 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Message-ID: Of course...Roger, my first entry to Nak "Happy & fortunate" family was during 1978 when I acquired my Tri Tracer 100/2 (Very similarly to your 700/2), and as it's a really 3 head discrete heads, MUST...sound better that your "Cheaper" from Nak family 2 heads BX-125...Don't be surprised...! Enjoy your 700/2...will serve you very faithfully, always feeding with TDK-SA cassettes. as it's from the factory...100% perfectly matched for TDK SA type brand!!! ALEX! >From: "Roger Perrie" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] 700 II >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:50:21 -0000 > >I'm very happy. My recently acquired 700II had several minor problems, but >I have managed to fix them all. Speed fluctuation was corrected by fitting >new drive belts. Tape spillage was due to insufficient torque on the take >up spool, and crackly recorded sound, and "jumpy" meters were all sorted by >cleaning the board edge connectors, as was the inoperative rewind function. >What an incredible machine to work on, built like a tank and any problems >simple to work out with a bit of logical thinking. >Recordings made on TDK SA are superb compared to my BX125. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Mar 26 13:17:15 2005 From: cmm100200 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Marsh) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Message-ID: If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose tapes are being sold. I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any other source in the UK at this moment in time. KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in 1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up and they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe Public! only the industry. Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 17:25:01 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:25:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Power Conditioning Message-ID: <000f01c53220$5ea96830$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ess wrote: Typically, what sort of surge surpression, voltage filtration and/or voltage regulation does everyone use for their decks? Are there tangible benefits, either in terms of sonics or longevity of the deck? What has worked, and what felt like a poor value? Hi Ess, I use both the Monster HTS3600 and Panamax M-5300. I have not found them to produce any bad effects on the performance of any of my components, and they do provide some peace of mind with regard to power spikes. The power at my location is fairly clean with few transients, minimal DC current, and a consistent waveform, so I can't really say whether they are capable of effectively cleaning up the mains power in any significant way. Ron, who used to frequently contribute to this forum, was not a big believer in 'tweaks' in general, and I believe he had posted at one time that the power supplies in all AV equip were more than adequate to insure a proper power supply to the component. However, if you are experiencing voltage drops that could be a problem, and the Panamax and Monster power centers would have no capability of correcting that. I had a PS Audio P-300 power regenerator for a while to see if it could help in reducing transformer hum....and it did by altering frequency and waveform. With this type of regenerator you can adjust voltage, frequency, and waveform.....it does affect performance of audio components in various ways. PS Audio states that you should not use the regenerator to power components with synchronous motors, since the motor speed could be affected, and voltage adjustments should be undertaken only if you know what you are doing. Some people believe that voltage can be beneficially adjusted with tube components in particular to optimize tube behavior. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 19:54:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:54:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Message-ID: Shalom Colin! Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of 10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment satisfies me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose >tapes >are being sold. >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any >other source in the UK at this moment in time. >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen >BASF >Chrome 60s on this website >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up >and >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe >Public! only the industry. > >Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Mar 27 00:03:23 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:03:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Power Conditioning References: <000f01c53220$5ea96830$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <001001c53258$03dad0f0$6401a8c0@desktop> Ess, It's quite rare that power fluctuations cause a problem, however lightning struck our building a few years ago in Toronto and caused quite the spike. In addition to the deafening earth shaking sound that we could feel all around us, my system was affected, even though it wasn't on. I had to have my CD player, receiver and tape deck serviced. Parts were fried and had to be replaced. I live in Vacouver now where lightning is rare, but now use a voltage regulator that will shut down power when any significant fluctuations occur. I use an ETA PD11SSP in my main system. http://www.etasys.com/index.htm Are there sonic benefits? I'm not sure, but it definitely gives me peace of mind that there is some protection. I'd rather that take the brunt of the spike rather than my system. Does it work? I hope so but have never had a situation where it was tested in the last 5 years. Another system I set up has a Furman PL-Plus Power Conditioner. http://www.furmansound.com/products/pro/pwr_cond_seq/cond/series2.php You can pick one of these up on E-bay for a round $100.00. I can't think of any eason why we wouldn't have one in our systems. It also provides 1 switch on and of for the whole system which can be useful in many applications. A firend of mine has a Monster power conditioner also like Robert and is very happy with it. -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Power Conditioning Ess wrote: Typically, what sort of surge surpression, voltage filtration and/or voltage regulation does everyone use for their decks? Are there tangible benefits, either in terms of sonics or longevity of the deck? What has worked, and what felt like a poor value? Hi Ess, I use both the Monster HTS3600 and Panamax M-5300. I have not found them to produce any bad effects on the performance of any of my components, and they do provide some peace of mind with regard to power spikes. The power at my location is fairly clean with few transients, minimal DC current, and a consistent waveform, so I can't really say whether they are capable of effectively cleaning up the mains power in any significant way. Ron, who used to frequently contribute to this forum, was not a big believer in 'tweaks' in general, and I believe he had posted at one time that the power supplies in all AV equip were more than adequate to insure a proper power supply to the component. However, if you are experiencing voltage drops that could be a problem, and the Panamax and Monster power centers would have no capability of correcting that. I had a PS Audio P-300 power regenerator for a while to see if it could help in reducing transformer hum....and it did by altering frequency and waveform. With this type of regenerator you can adjust voltage, frequency, and waveform.....it does affect performance of audio components in various ways. PS Audio states that you should not use the regenerator to power components with synchronous motors, since the motor speed could be affected, and voltage adjustments should be undertaken only if you know what you are doing. Some people believe that voltage can be beneficially adjusted with tube components in particular to optimize tube behavior. Robert Kent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jochi at qwest.net Sun Mar 27 09:51:11 2005 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:51:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII References: Message-ID: <002301c532a1$bec48200$0500000a@uswest.net> You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. Colin, Could you please tell us what in particular was the problem with the BASF Chrome 60 tapes? I have bought some in the United States and was quite pleased with them. I realize that any company can produce bad batches of tapes. I once bought a bunch of TDK SA-X tapes. I had eight in a row that had dropouts during the first fifteen minutes of play. Those eight tapes were basically unuseable. But I was really curious what you found objectionable about the BASF tapes. Thanks, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose tapes are being sold. I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any other source in the UK at this moment in time. KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in 1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up and they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe Public! only the industry. Colin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.cozac at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 14:27:11 2005 From: alex.cozac at gmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:27:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Lovely cartridge alignment tool! Message-ID: <4247F81F.9010105@gmail.com> http://www.project-audio.com/en/pdf/manualcat.pdf From sie28873 at lycos.com Tue Mar 29 08:41:44 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:41:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cool Type II tapes Message-ID: <20050329064144.EC4193384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> What do fellow Naktalkers think about this deal:- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14962&item=5763870374&rd=1 They may/may not represent the finest of Type IIs, but that's 200 tapes that's gonna last a while and @$0.25/tape is better value (for now) than standard Type I tape. Robert -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 29 19:31:35 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:31:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII In-Reply-To: <002301c532a1$bec48200$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: The tapes are BASF Chrome, not the super or the super II configuration. The basic chrome BASF I have tried are just budget tapes, the shells aren't so good and my ZX had problems ligning up to them, they perform OK, but the Chrome super II configuration is so much better! I would say that they are up amongst the best available type IIs. The basic Chrome BASF is down the bottom of the pile with the budget type IIs, like say, Fuji DRIIs being manufactured now! the Super IIs at KVJ aren't so much more expensive so it makes the standard Chrome tapes a waste of money? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Ochi [mailto:jochi at qwest.net] Sent: 27 March 2005 08:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fuji ZII You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. Colin, Could you please tell us what in particular was the problem with the BASF Chrome 60 tapes? I have bought some in the United States and was quite pleased with them. I realize that any company can produce bad batches of tapes. I once bought a bunch of TDK SA-X tapes. I had eight in a row that had dropouts during the first fifteen minutes of play. Those eight tapes were basically unuseable. But I was really curious what you found objectionable about the BASF tapes. Thanks, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose tapes are being sold. I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any other source in the UK at this moment in time. KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in 1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up and they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe Public! only the industry. Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 29 19:50:02 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:50:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Alex, Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still come thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when we can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and at the KVJ price of £100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they work at their best in high end Naks!!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Shalom Colin! Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of 10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment satisfies me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose >tapes >are being sold. >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any >other source in the UK at this moment in time. >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen >BASF >Chrome 60s on this website >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up >and >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe >Public! only the industry. > >Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 29 23:15:28 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Message-ID: <000001c534a4$6fb65b70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leigh.norton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Mar 30 00:39:42 2005 From: leigh.norton at blueyonder.co.uk (Leigh Norton) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:39:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010001c534b0$333d48f0$0100a8c0@HUMMINGBIRD> >>I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) I wouldn't be surprised if all the current tapes came from the same source now demand has fallen. I have some modern TDK Sas (the 'CD compatible' ones) and they are awful compared to 20 year old ones. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 30 01:17:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:17:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: <000001c534a4$6fb65b70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <006d01c534b5$7388d780$209f4c51@oemcomputer> MessageSurely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and various other US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. I recommend one of those beefy transformers from Maplin Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 03:25:46 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050330012546.34656.qmail@web41425.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I was reading up the manual on the 680ZX. Its really very well written, and professional. I it, they mention not to use ferri-chrome tapes. Can anyone explain to me why. Bala Colin Marsh wrote: Hi Alex, Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still come thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when we can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and at the KVJ price of �100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they work at their best in high end Naks!!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Shalom Colin! Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of 10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment satisfies me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose >tapes >are being sold. >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any >other source in the UK at this moment in time. >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen >BASF >Chrome 60s on this website >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up >and >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe >Public! only the industry. > >Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 05:21:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:21:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Message-ID: Shalom my friend! >the newer tapes have glued shells and a another >storage tape. Yes I look at it...and this ones are what I obtain here....whatever...satisfies me! Be always well! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:50:02 +0100 > >Hi Alex, > >Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs >around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still >come >thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and >have five screw fixings,er the newer tapes have glued shells and a diffent >storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they >changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent >tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when >we >can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and >at the KVJ price of �100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they >work at their best in high end Naks!!! > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >Shalom Colin! > >Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of >10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency >is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! > >Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment >satisfies me! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "naktalk" > >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes >from > >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! >they > >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and > >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He > >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose > >tapes > >are being sold. > >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are >a > >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any > >other source in the UK at this moment in time. > >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back >in > >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I > >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these >for > >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen > >BASF > >Chrome 60s on this website > >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm > >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for > >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your > >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, >I > >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to >do > >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up > >and > >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe > >Public! only the industry. > > > >Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 05:35:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:35:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Message-ID: Shalom Shaun! Not at all..., one of many Naks decks the 600/2 was also import to Israel by a private person, and I use it with my at that era common step up transformer from 117>230 that till today I owned, (My current gear is all wired directly from America for Israel 230v local mains)...whatever during the 70ties when I own the legendary Marantz 7c + 8b set...was ONLY wired for US 117v mains the preamp 7c at the back have 6 mains sockets...to one of those sockets I plug in my Nak 600/2 and work superbly well...SO...Shaun..don't worry be 100% happy...& enjoy your Nak!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 > >Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > >Shaun >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Mar 30 07:25:14 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:25:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage References: <000001c534a4$6fb65b70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <001d01c534e8$dab773c0$99d217c4@home> MessageI use them on quite a number of my decks and OMS-7's here in South Africa with no apparent side effects! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kokkolis at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 11:37:47 2005 From: kokkolis at yahoo.com (Christos Kokkolis) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:37:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: UK Voltage In-Reply-To: <200503300805.j2U84xXU032023@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050330093747.30941.qmail@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra' is right, I live in UK too, while my Dragon & CR-7 have US voltage. I bought myself the beefiest tranformer from Maplin I could find, (about £30) and they work really well. Christos naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Fuji ZII (Colin Marsh) 2. RE: Fuji ZII (Colin Marsh) 3. UK Voltage (Shaun Montgomery) 4. RE: Fuji ZII (Leigh Norton) 5. RE: UK Voltage (Nelson) 6. RE: Fuji ZII (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 7. RE: Fuji ZII (Alex Cozac) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:31:35 +0100 From: "Colin Marsh" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The tapes are BASF Chrome, not the super or the super II configuration. The basic chrome BASF I have tried are just budget tapes, the shells aren't so good and my ZX had problems ligning up to them, they perform OK, but the Chrome super II configuration is so much better! I would say that they are up amongst the best available type IIs. The basic Chrome BASF is down the bottom of the pile with the budget type IIs, like say, Fuji DRIIs being manufactured now! the Super IIs at KVJ aren't so much more expensive so it makes the standard Chrome tapes a waste of money? Colin -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Ochi [mailto:jochi at qwest.net] Sent: 27 March 2005 08:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fuji ZII You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. Colin, Could you please tell us what in particular was the problem with the BASF Chrome 60 tapes? I have bought some in the United States and was quite pleased with them. I realize that any company can produce bad batches of tapes. I once bought a bunch of TDK SA-X tapes. I had eight in a row that had dropouts during the first fifteen minutes of play. Those eight tapes were basically unuseable. But I was really curious what you found objectionable about the BASF tapes. Thanks, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Marsh To: naktalk Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose tapes are being sold. I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any other source in the UK at this moment in time. KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in 1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up and they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe Public! only the industry. Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050329/cc70f705/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:50:02 +0100 From: "Colin Marsh" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Alex, Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still come thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when we can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and at the KVJ price of £100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they work at their best in high end Naks!!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Shalom Colin! Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of 10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment satisfies me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose >tapes >are being sold. >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any >other source in the UK at this moment in time. >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen >BASF >Chrome 60s on this website >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up >and >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe >Public! only the industry. > >Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage To: Message-ID: <000001c534a4$6fb65b70$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050329/91388891/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:39:42 +0100 From: "Leigh Norton" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <010001c534b0$333d48f0$0100a8c0 at HUMMINGBIRD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) I wouldn't be surprised if all the current tapes came from the same source now demand has fallen. I have some modern TDK Sas (the 'CD compatible' ones) and they are awful compared to 20 year old ones. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:17:18 +0100 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <006d01c534b5$7388d780$209f4c51 at oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MessageSurely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and various other US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. I recommend one of those beefy transformers from Maplin Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050330/2991d075/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050330012546.34656.qmail at web41425.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys, I was reading up the manual on the 680ZX. Its really very well written, and professional. I it, they mention not to use ferri-chrome tapes. Can anyone explain to me why. Bala Colin Marsh wrote: Hi Alex, Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still come thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when we can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and at the KVJ price of £100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they work at their best in high end Naks!!! Colin -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII Shalom Colin! Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of 10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment satisfies me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes from >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose >tapes >are being sold. >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are a >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any >other source in the UK at this moment in time. >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back in >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen >BASF >Chrome 60s on this website >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up >and >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe >Public! only the industry. > >Colin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050329/c0c6bf36/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:21:50 +0000 From: "Alex Cozac" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Shalom my friend! >the newer tapes have glued shells and a another >storage tape. Yes I look at it...and this ones are what I obtain here....whatever...satisfies me! Be always well! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Colin Marsh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:50:02 +0100 > >Hi Alex, > >Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs >around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still >come >thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and >have five screw fixings,er the newer tapes have glued shells and a diffent >storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they >changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent >tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when >we >can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and >at the KVJ price of £100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they >work at their best in high end Naks!!! > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >Shalom Colin! > >Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of >10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency >is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! > >Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment >satisfies me! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "naktalk" > >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes >from > >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! >they > >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and > >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He > >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose > >tapes > >are being sold. > >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are >a > >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any > >other source in the UK at this moment in time. > >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back >in > >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I > >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these >for > >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen > >BASF > >Chrome 60s on this website > >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm > >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for > >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your > >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, >I > >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to >do > >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up > >and > >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe > >Public! only the industry. > > > >Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 63 *************************************** ***************** 72 Redlands Road, Reading RG1 5HU, UK Tel: +44 118 9861742 Mob: +44 7968 702972 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 11:52:31 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:52:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 Message-ID: <518b7b10503300152593d49e5@mail.gmail.com> Now that my friend has his 1000 ZXL up and running he's looking for a NR-100 to complement it. If anybody has one for sale or knows of one for sale, please let me know off-list. Would prefer a European (ideally UK) source, but can look at other options as well. Thanks, George From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 30 12:03:57 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c5350f$cd27db10$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks Alex, my concern/fear was that the change of the phase from 60Hz to 50Hz might cause a slow down of the motor drive regardless of the voltage. This is my first Nak (a BX-300) and I don't want to get it wrong! My previous cassette player was an ageing 3 head Aiwa 3500. Cheers Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 30 March 2005 04:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage Shalom Shaun! Not at all..., one of many Naks decks the 600/2 was also import to Israel by a private person, and I use it with my at that era common step up transformer from 117>230 that till today I owned, (My current gear is all wired directly from America for Israel 230v local mains)...whatever during the 70ties when I own the legendary Marantz 7c + 8b set...was ONLY wired for US 117v mains the preamp 7c at the back have 6 mains sockets...to one of those sockets I plug in my Nak 600/2 and work superbly well...SO...Shaun..don't worry be 100% happy...& enjoy your Nak!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 > >Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to >240v >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > >Shaun >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1040 (20050329) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 12:22:15 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:22:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII In-Reply-To: <20050330012546.34656.qmail@web41425.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom Bala! To my cognition the Type 3 named "Ferii-Chrome"...was gave up by the cassette industry,+ decks factories remaining only Type 1/2 & 4. As "Elcaset"...also was vacated! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) > >Hi guys, > > I was reading up the manual on the 680ZX. Its really very well >written, and professional. I it, they mention not to use ferri-chrome >tapes. Can anyone explain to me why. > >Bala > >Colin Marsh wrote: >Hi Alex, > >Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs >around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still >come >thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and >have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different >storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they >changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent >tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when >we >can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and >at the KVJ price of �100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they >work at their best in high end Naks!!! > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >Shalom Colin! > >Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of >10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency >is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! > >Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment >satisfies me! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "naktalk" > >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes >from > >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they > >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and > >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He > >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose > >tapes > >are being sold. > >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are >a > >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any > >other source in the UK at this moment in time. > >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back >in > >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I > >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for > >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen > >BASF > >Chrome 60s on this website > >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm > >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for > >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your > >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I > >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to >do > >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up > >and > >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe > >Public! only the industry. > > > >Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 12:30:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:30:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: <006d01c534b5$7388d780$209f4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Shalom my dear Gra' I recommend >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin...WHY...MY DEAR GRA'...It's >really not essential or a requisite!...For me spell money...ONLY...if he >will purchase some other "Tube/Valve" unit...merely, for a Nakamichi >deck...really & heart fully a money waste matter! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:17:18 +0100 > >MessageSurely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and various other >US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. I recommend >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > > Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to >240v >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > > Shaun >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 30 14:47:23 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:47:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: <006d01c534b5$7388d780$209f4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001601c53526$9fc53ca0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Gra', where do you live, I live in Bournemouth. That is reassuring to know that you have it working successfully. I have just bought a BX-300 on Ebay and as this is my first Nakamichi and I wanted to be sure that it was safe to use a step down transformer. My concern/fear was that the change of the phase from 60Hz to 50Hz might cause a slow down of the motor drive regardless of the voltage. I have a Maplin near here so will take a look shortly All the best Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 30 March 2005 00:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage Surely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and various other US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. I recommend one of those beefy transformers from Maplin Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun __________ NOD32 1.1040 (20050329) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 17:11:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:11:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Message-ID: Shalom my friend Shaun, NO 100% sure...all Nak from the first one Tri-Tracer 1000 & 700 line...at the beginning have an a "Multi-Voltage" transformer, with if I'm recall well 6 positions, first one I'm 100% was 100 volt as used in Japan till 250 volts or maybe 240 (Which I personally plug such voltage for be on a "Safe" way! ...later ones for earn more money, to US...they export 117 & or Europe 230 volts version only internally transformer...on cheaper/medium price units, the Top of the Line continue using a "Cheaper" version "Multi-Voltage transformer with a "Switch"...117>236 volts, and a "Plate"/Cover with a screw for safety..so you can move the "Tongue" cheaper switch by error! The motor/s always were universally 60 & 50 Hz...so it's 100% OK...Enjoy your deck as much as possible!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:57 +0100 > >Thanks Alex, my concern/fear was that the change of the phase from 60Hz to >50Hz might cause a slow down of the motor drive regardless of the voltage. > >This is my first Nak (a BX-300) and I don't want to get it wrong! My >previous cassette player was an ageing 3 head Aiwa 3500. > >Cheers Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 30 March 2005 04:35 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > >Shalom Shaun! > >Not at all..., one of many Naks decks the 600/2 was also import to Israel >by > >a private person, and I use it with my at that era common step up >transformer from 117>230 that till today I owned, (My current gear is all >wired directly from America for Israel 230v local mains)...whatever during >the 70ties when I own the legendary Marantz 7c + 8b set...was ONLY wired >for > >US 117v mains the preamp 7c at the back have 6 mains sockets...to one of >those sockets I plug in my Nak 600/2 and work superbly >well...SO...Shaun..don't worry be 100% happy...& enjoy your Nak!!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage > >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 > > > >Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to > >240v > >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > > > >Shaun > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________ NOD32 1.1040 (20050329) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 17:28:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:28:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: UK Voltage Message-ID: Shalom Christos & Gra' Can you separatly inform me "WHY"...for a Nak machine you acquired s "Helftly/beefiest tranformer"?. As for by many years of comprehandling...for near 45 watts that each unit the,need of a so big and heawy step down mains transformer...simpleness it's very hard/arduous to comprehend!!! Thank's so much for make me aprehend! ALEX! >From: Christos Kokkolis >Reply-To: Kokkolis at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: UK Voltage >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:37:47 +0100 (BST) > >Gra' is right, I live in UK too, while my Dragon & CR-7 have US voltage. I >bought myself the beefiest tranformer from Maplin I could find, (about �30) >and they work really well. > > >Christos > >naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >naktalk at naks.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >naktalk-request at naks.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at >naktalk-owner at naks.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > >Naktalk digest mailing list > > >Today's Topics: > >1. RE: Fuji ZII (Colin Marsh) >2. RE: Fuji ZII (Colin Marsh) >3. UK Voltage (Shaun Montgomery) >4. RE: Fuji ZII (Leigh Norton) >5. RE: UK Voltage (Nelson) >6. RE: Fuji ZII (Bala Ganesh Chandra) >7. RE: Fuji ZII (Alex Cozac) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:31:35 +0100 >From: "Colin Marsh" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >The tapes are BASF Chrome, not the super or the super II configuration. The >basic chrome BASF I have tried are just budget tapes, the shells aren't so >good and my ZX had problems ligning up to them, they perform OK, but the >Chrome super II configuration is so much better! I would say that they are >up amongst the best available type IIs. The basic Chrome BASF is down the >bottom of the pile with the budget type IIs, like say, Fuji DRIIs being >manufactured now! the Super IIs at KVJ aren't so much more expensive so it >makes the standard Chrome tapes a waste of money? > >Colin >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan Ochi [mailto:jochi at qwest.net] >Sent: 27 March 2005 08:51 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >You may have seen BASF Chrome 60s on this website >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm and been tempted by the low >price! Well I would advise you not to go for them, I have a few and the >quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your money really. > >Colin, > >Could you please tell us what in particular was the problem with the BASF >Chrome 60 tapes? I have bought some in the United States and was quite >pleased with them. I realize that any company can produce bad batches of >tapes. I once bought a bunch of TDK SA-X tapes. I had eight in a row that >had dropouts during the first fifteen minutes of play. Those eight tapes >were basically unuseable. But I was really curious what you found >objectionable about the BASF tapes. > >Thanks, >Jon >----- Original Message ----- >From: Colin Marsh >To: naktalk >Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:17 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes >from KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! >they are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose >tapes >are being sold. >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are >a really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any >other source in the UK at this moment in time. >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back >in 1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen BASF >Chrome 60s on this website http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to do >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up and >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe >Public! only the industry. > >Colin > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050329/cc70f705/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:50:02 +0100 >From: "Colin Marsh" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Alex, > >Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs >around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still >come >thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and >have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different >storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they >changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent >tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when >we >can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and >at the KVJ price of �100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they >work at their best in high end Naks!!! > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >Shalom Colin! > >Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of >10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency >is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! > >Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment >satisfies me! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "naktalk" > >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes >from > >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they > >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and > >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He > >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose > >tapes > >are being sold. > >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are >a > >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any > >other source in the UK at this moment in time. > >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back >in > >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I > >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for > >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen > >BASF > >Chrome 60s on this website > >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm > >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for > >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your > >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I > >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to >do > >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up > >and > >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe > >Public! only the industry. > > > >Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage >To: >Message-ID: <000001c534a4$6fb65b70$7300a8c0 at Shaun> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > >Shaun >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050329/91388891/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:39:42 +0100 >From: "Leigh Norton" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: <010001c534b0$333d48f0$0100a8c0 at HUMMINGBIRD> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >>I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they changed the >coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) > >I wouldn't be surprised if all the current tapes came from the same source >now demand has fallen. I have some modern TDK Sas (the 'CD compatible' >ones) >and they are awful compared to 20 year old ones. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:17:18 +0100 >From: "Nelson" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: <006d01c534b5$7388d780$209f4c51 at oemcomputer> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >MessageSurely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and various other >US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. I recommend >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin > >Gra' >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Shaun Montgomery >Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > >Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > >Shaun >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050330/2991d075/attachment.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <20050330012546.34656.qmail at web41425.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi guys, > >I was reading up the manual on the 680ZX. Its really very well written, and >professional. I it, they mention not to use ferri-chrome tapes. Can anyone >explain to me why. > >Bala > >Colin Marsh wrote: >Hi Alex, > >Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of ZIIs >around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still >come >thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made and >have five screw fixings, the newer tapes have glued shells and a different >storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they >changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent >tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when >we >can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable and >at the KVJ price of �100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they >work at their best in high end Naks!!! > >Colin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] >Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >Shalom Colin! > >Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack of >10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local currency >is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! > >Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment >satisfies me! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "naktalk" > >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes >from > >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! they > >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and > >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) He > >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose > >tapes > >are being sold. > >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they are >a > >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any > >other source in the UK at this moment in time. > >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures back >in > >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and I > >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these for > >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen > >BASF > >Chrome 60s on this website > >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm > >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go for > >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your > >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, I > >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to >do > >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up > >and > >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe > >Public! only the industry. > > > >Colin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050329/c0c6bf36/attachment.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:21:50 +0000 >From: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Shalom my friend! > > >the newer tapes have glued shells and a another > >storage tape. > >Yes I look at it...and this ones are what I obtain >here....whatever...satisfies me! > >Be always well! > >ALEX! > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:50:02 +0100 > > > >Hi Alex, > > > >Thats a great price for a top Type II! There seems to be two types of >ZIIs > >around? The KVJ tapes I am talking about are the early ones, They still > >come > >thin boxes but without a transperant lid, the shells are very well made >and > >have five screw fixings,er the newer tapes have glued shells and a >diffent > >storage tape. I find the older ones perform / sound better, possibly they > >changed the coating formulation, (as have TDK and Maxell?) With decent > >tapes now out of production and becoming rare we have to grab stocks when > >we > >can (I certainly do!!!). In the UK these tapes are almost unobtainable >and > >at the KVJ price of �100.00 per 100 they are a steal!! And yes Alex! they > >work at their best in high end Naks!!! > > > >Colin > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] > >Sent: 26 March 2005 18:54 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > > > > >Shalom Colin! > > > >Here in Israel I can obtain exactly the same tape...in thin cartons pack >of > >10 cassettes, for a mere $:1.00 each cassette..which for our local >currency > >is extremely cheap...MADE IN JAPAN! > > > >Amazing matching with my lovely Dragon unit! I get 2 boxes for the moment > >satisfies me! > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Colin Marsh" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "naktalk" > > >Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZII > > >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:17:15 -0000 > > > > > >If any of the members have been thinking of buying Fuji ZII cassettes > >from > > >KVJ Fairdeal http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ in London, buy them soon! > >they > > >are running low on the Japanese stocks. My boy went there today and > > >replenished my stocks of these tapes.The price was good (for the UK?) >He > > >Emailed me and told me that all the bulk packs are gone and only loose > > >tapes > > >are being sold. > > >I don't know what other members think of these tapes but I find they >are > >a > > >really good Type II cassette, Good tape and shell! I don't know of any > > >other source in the UK at this moment in time. > > >KVJ also have stocks of BASF Chrome Super II cassettes manufactures >back > >in > > >1996 (it says this on the bulk packaging!) I also like these tapes and >I > > >know some of the members do as well. KVJ has a special price on these > >for > > >purchases over 30 in No. Also a cautionary note! You may have seen > > >BASF > > >Chrome 60s on this website > > >http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm > > >and been tempted by the low price! Well I would advise you not to go >for > > >them, I have a few and the quality is very pore indeed! a waste of your > > >money really. This site is showing some rare cassettes on their pages, > >I > > >only live " around the corner" from them but have failed to get them to > >do > > >any reasonable business with me, The shipping costs are really hyped up > > >and > > >they wont let me collect! I am told they don't want to deal with Joe > > >Public! only the industry. > > > > > >Colin > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 63 >*************************************** > > > >***************** > >72 Redlands Road, > >Reading RG1 5HU, UK > >Tel: +44 118 9861742 > >Mob: +44 7968 702972 > > > >Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 17:31:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:31:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050330153134.18102.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> What was his problem with the 1000ZXL? george valkov wrote: Now that my friend has his 1000 ZXL up and running he's looking for a NR-100 to complement it. If anybody has one for sale or knows of one for sale, please let me know off-list. Would prefer a European (ideally UK) source, but can look at other options as well. Thanks, George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Mar 30 23:32:07 2005 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:32:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Testing ears needed. Message-ID: <424B1AD7.40409@peromarta.org> Dear fellow Nakker, Please allow me disrupt your peaceful NakTalk reading to introduce to you a new contribution to our most beloved hobby, Analog Audio. We at Peebles Engineering - a young, innovative, european engineering company, devoted to providing the best possible performance out of our state of the art designs - have developed our first product, and we are willing to have it tested by some of the most demanding ears. Yours. We thought of a testing program in which demo versions will be available for you to test for free - well, almost. Please read on. The product itself is a tube RIAA phono preamplifier, for MM cartridges with optional MC input and provision for input impedance and capacitance adjustment/matching. It will feature a split RIAA section, with a 7025 or 12AX7 input valve and a 6922 or 6DJ8 for the second gain block and cathode follower. DC regulated power supplies for both HV and heaters. No feedback. Gain is around 45dB for MM, with an aditional 20dB for the optional MC stage. RIAA tolerance within 0.5%. At this very moment we are going trough very intensive testing, and we expect the demo units to be ready in the next few weeks. We will ship 2 units to the first two volunteers, to test for 2 weeks, all I ask you in return is that after the 2 week period, you pay for the courier shipping to the next volunteer, which should not be more that a few dollars, and to provide as much feedback as you can. Please bear in mind there is a limited number of units, and we want the units out there for a couple of months. That makes 8 testing sessions. Unfortunately, not everybody will be eligible. Decisions will be made based on your current equipment, location, etc. We are willing to hear from you. If you need more info, or have comments, inputs or feedback please use the list. Should you be interested in joining the program, please contact me off list at luis at peebles-engineering.com I thank you, in advance, for your support. Best regards, LP. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Thu Mar 31 01:26:58 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:26:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Recording on TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <000301c5357f$f8cd9af0$abed5651@homeduron1300> Hi Folks, So I unwrapped one of my precious and expensive TDK MA-XG 90 tapes (I expect you know the eBay advert), drooled at the case for a moment and then attempted to record a comedy show from a BBC CD. I wound the recording levels up to max and watched the meters zoom to the top on 'source' but flutter about in the usual manner on 'tape'. I had remembered to push down the metal, button rather than the usual chrome, one. So what could go wrong? What indeed? The result sounds far worse than the lovely recordings I get on both SA90's and Maxell XL-II's. I don't know what I was expecting but not a sort of 'bottom of a goldfish bowl' effect with harsh highs and boomy lows. (Excuse the description but I'm not technical). So where did I go wrong? I had previously tried setting the recording level meters to the same settings as for chrome (about 12 o'clock) when I had a go before but could hardly hear the recorded material afterwards. I don't like to fiddle with the Bias knob as that seems a bit technical and I'd be bound to make it worse. Any suggestions anyone or should I stick to what works and just admire the sexy cases? The comedy show? The Navy Lark for those Anglophiles out there. Takes me right back to the days of my youth, lying under the radiogram on a Sunday afternoon listening to the Home service (or had it become R4 by then? Hmmm). I'm not expecting miracles. Any suggestions gratefully received. By the way can anyone tell me which machines will record and play back in mono? Any or none? Thanks a lot. David Edwards - proud RX505-E owner (recently serviced by B&W). From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 31 02:16:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:16:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005001c53586$ea18a2a0$7c814c51@oemcomputer> Alex Yes, you're probably right that they may be overkill but they are not THAT big. And the smaller models that Maplin sell are not much cheaper than the big ones! I did buy some very cheap Chinese transformers. They looked rather 1960s, what with being coloured in yellow enamel, but the darned things literally fell apart inside 12 months! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 30 March 2005 11:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > > > Shalom my dear Gra' > > I recommend > >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin...WHY...MY DEAR GRA'...It's > >really not essential or a requisite!...For me spell money...ONLY...if he > >will purchase some other "Tube/Valve" unit...merely, for a Nakamichi > >deck...really & heart fully a money waste matter! > > ALEX! > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage > >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:17:18 +0100 > > > >MessageSurely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and > various other > >US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. > I recommend > >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > > > > > Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to > >240v > >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > > > > Shaun > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 06:47:07 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:47:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Power filtering / surge surpression for Nak decks? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424B80CB.2030005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ess... ...hope you don't run into a de-esser. (Joking) Ess Wiego wrote: > Typically, what sort of surge surpression, voltage filtration and/or > voltage regulation does everyone use for their decks? Are there > tangible benefits, either in terms of sonics or longevity of the deck? > What has worked, and what felt like a poor value? A Sola constant-voltage ferroresonant transformer voltage regulator, an off-brand variac, and an odd assortment of TrippLite surge arrestors and home-made surge arrestors (built from Corcom modules, MOVs and six-outlet AC mains "power strips.") > > I am living in an apartment and the power is not that great. Whenever I > turn something on, stereo equipment flutters. There is quite a bit of > noise on the TV. And so forth. Right now I'm using those cheapo $10 > power strips from, uh, the grocery store. I think they are labelled as > surge surpressors, but who knows. I am accumulating some rather > expensive and rare equipment, lately, so I'm wondering whether I need to > make a corresponding investment between this equipment and my wall sockets! > > I was thinking something along the lines of a Monster HTS5000 if I can > find a used one for a good price, but I'd be interested to hear what > others use specifically for their tape decks. Nah, buy a good Tripplite instead. Beats the Monster. Good for one's Dragon. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 06:59:08 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:59:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MPEG-4 In-Reply-To: <20050324085934.44387.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324085934.44387.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424B839C.2000003@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think it wasn't mp3 which is hurting the recording companies. Rather > its mediocre recording and poor program quality from chewing gum artists > who stay as long as they stay sweet, and then have to be spat out and > forgotton. On my file sharing software, I still notice that Sinatra and > the likes enjoy more downloads then Hoobastank and Co. > Hmmm...you found out the industry's dirty little secret! You're right! Music is chosen, in most instances by the a&r person's assessment of who's music will sell the most copies while incurring the least production costs. Artistic merit is purely coincidental. I routinely had my recording projects scaled baxck or cancelled by management because of economics (or other reasons, like the cute lead singer's refusal to sleep with the producer or the band's lack of "photogenic appeal"), even though the artistry was outstanding. That's why I quit to start my own studio. > */Fred Lifton /* wrote: > > MPEG-4 is very good technology that has yet to gain wide acceptance > ... But the sound is ... much better; you just basically hear more information and fewer > compression artifacts. > I've only used it to rip CD's and yes, I agree, at 128 they sound about > as good as the original CD's and the files are nice and small. That is, > of course, damning with faint praise, since not one CD I own sounds > better than new vinyl spun past my worn-out old Dynavector DV-50a or a > good analog-source recording played back on my humble CR-3a. So there. When a compressed file format, such as AAW or MPEG-4, can come close to equalling the sound of the original CD, then I'd say the original CD wasn't done too well. Alas, this underscores the sad fact that CDs seldom sound as good as "older" technology, like analog Nakamichi cassette decks. This is NOT because of the CD's PCM technology, but because of poor mastering practice and low quality control enforcement by the labels. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 07:04:50 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:04:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <20050317100230.66414.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050317100230.66414.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424B84F2.7000708@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Do that, and I'll be your first customer in line. Great! Now all I need is the approximately $100,000 to build the lathe! > But would OTL amps be great for driving the head? Maybe, because the cutter's coils are a bit reactive, more than a speaker. Although I'd use either a LARGE RF power tube or 6550 beam tetrodes, not power triodes like 6AS7G/6080. > I think Nakathon III and IV could come out > in vinyl editions too! If enough interest manifests, I'll get some time on a friend's SCARL (Scully Automatic Record Lathe) and hand-ride the cutting of a nice, hot master lacquer that will snap your cantilever off at the hinge! > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 07:09:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:09:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <20050317095823.68435.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050317095823.68435.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424B85EC.3040304@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > My pleasure Kermit! I use a truncated stylus for my Stanton 500 during > 78 playback. After discovering MC playback, there's been no going back > to MM for me, although a minor side hobby is to collect old MM carts and > listen. I am no cartridge expert, but I feel that the other end of the > cantilever is loaded with heavier magnets and thus its tracking will be > just different. Light coils however mean a very different cart > behaviour. The quietest cart I used was the Lyra Helikon. This one uses > a Ogura PA line-contact styli. Its a slight departure from the usual > types used. But coupled with that are many other important areas, like > the cantilever suspension, the magnet structure, the overall body. Why? > All this combines to dictate how the cart will ride on the groove, how > it will sit, and how it will behave under dynamic conditions. I just > simply liken in to the way the Nak playback heads are designed. > Good points! > I just posted about cleanliness of the record. To say that there is dirt > and grunge down there and let the stylus ride higher, doesnt sound > attractive to me. But if you cannot get the grunge out, it's a good alternative, yes? Not ideal, but.... > The Dual IS a good tt, and the 681EE has been passed to me from my dad. > So you have a very good setup there. > BTW, what arm are you using Kerm? The Dual 1249's arm is fixed BUT I did tweak it by applying typewriter key cleaner putty to the inside of the plastic headshell and by immobilizing the two-position base with base with RTV silicon sealant. Tightened up the bass end of the rig. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 07:18:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:18:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: <20050312165837.32601.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050312165837.32601.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424B883E.2050700@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > This is a fact that I've never devulged to > anyone. While you are in this mood, let me assure you > not all is lost. I have a modest 15 reel decks and 9 > Naks plus the Technics and Excelia. When it comes to > sound, iPods and mp3s dont simply cut it for me as > well as brown tape. Wow, you have more reel-to-reels than I do! (My heavily-modified Revox B77-HS Mk.II, the once-ubiquitous Ampex 602 and 602-2, a so-so Pioneer RT-1011L, a classic Magnecorder PT-63, nasty-sounding Akai M-8, and two evil little Uhers. That's eight.) Got me beat as far as Naks too! (Two 550s, a 581, a 600, a 600-II, and a BX-2. That's six.) Brown tape is the color of great sound. By the way, how does the group feel the BX-2 ranks? No, it does not beat the Dragon! > And yet, I'm just turning 26 this > year. What a relief, there's hope for the world! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 07:27:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:27:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sound matters of mp3s and cassettes In-Reply-To: <200503171458.j2HEwSIh019966@zxe.naks.com> References: <200503171458.j2HEwSIh019966@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <424B8A3E.30106@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Mark, Mark Caton wrote: > Kermit, > You ideas on improving mp3s are quite radical - I wish well in pursuing > those goals, and would be interested in any results. Just started work on it. Promising so far. > Not quite so radical is the choice of bitrate and encoder for creating mp3s > - it should be known that not all mp3s are created equal. What we download > we have no control over, but those we create ourselves we can do something > about. So choosing an encoder like LAME, and using high quality settings > with variable bit rate (up to 320), can make a degree of difference. A good > player (e.g. i-river)and good headphones (e.g. etymotic) also helps. See any > comparisons to taping? You should! Good quality components, with good > sources can make a heck of a difference. Makes my commute almost bearable. > What, you mean that mastering technique matters? Fancy that! Don't tell the big labels. We don't want them to start doing good recordings after all these years of releasing over-processed, over-edited, over-produced, plastic-sounding sonic mulch masquerading as music. Yipes. Do any MP3 encoders let you inject your own dither? My custom CD-mastering suite does. Tweaking with the dither makes all the difference in a CD's sound. Oh course, you could cheat. Analog tape hiss makes great dither. So, copy the CD to your Nak, leave the NR off, push the level as far as the Nak will go without distorting, transfer the cassette to your DAW using a good D/A, then compile the MP3 -- without denoising the source sound file, of course! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From z_thk at hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 08:28:27 2005 From: z_thk at hotmail.com (erik ortstad) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:28:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 service manual Message-ID: Hi! I picked up a Nakamichi 600 at a fleamarket last weekend. I think that some rubber parts may be worn out since speed accuracy is not 100%. I would like some tech tips or a service manual if someone would be so kind. I also have one 600 pending at an auction site on which the play button does not work. These tapedecks need to be preserved! Greetings, Erik Ortstad _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 07:41:53 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:41:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] iPods and Naks In-Reply-To: References: <200503140811.j2E8AuQR029538@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <424B8DA1.2040902@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > I think it's pointless to argue > which format is "better", mp3 or cassette/vinyl. Why talk in these > absolutes? They are tools suited to different jobs, like a hammer and a > nail-gun. Solely because of economic realities. Good sound is always desirable, and better sound is never unneccessary -- even for background, because of the reduction of listener fatigue and the improvement of the program's intelligibility against high ambient noise levels. Low listener fatigue and high intelligibility against high ambient noise levels increaes listener retention of content, and increases listener "dwell." Achieving both states enhances sales of advertising rates for bradcasters by reducing channel switching and sales of recorded music, according to industry experts. Yet, the highest-fi simply isn't practicable in all situations and applications, given today's technologies. I hope that changes one day. Perhaps when room superconductors finally are perfected. > Yes, Kermit, mp3's sound like AM radio. A bit better -- power lines don't cause buzz with them. Actually, I dislike the sound of AM (medium wave) radio (wireless) and seldom listen to it, even then never for msic, only for dialogue-only broadcasts. Worked a while in an AM station. you'd be amazed how well made the equipment is and how excellent it sounds in the studio -- yet the mediocre sound delivered to the listener results from the transmitting format. The quality loss is so great that the source equipment has to be outstanding, otherwise the broadcasts would be unlistenable by any standard. > Problem is, most people are so bamboozled by advertising, etc. that they > don't believe they know how to use or choose a tool. It's so much easier > to just believe what you're told is the "best" and buy one of those. > (We're guilty of it on this list when we argue about which format is > "best.") It's so much work to learn how to use a tool correctly, > especially an old hand- (aka, analog) tool. Learning a tool like an > analog recorder always requires lots of practice and a little artistry. That's true. "Best" doesn't truly exist outside of ad copy. Love your pragmatism, Fred! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 07:51:31 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:51:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ipod's, another way to listen In-Reply-To: <42359AE1.6060703@sbcglobal.net> References: <42359AE1.6060703@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <424B8FE3.2090100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken, Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Well as a true analog lover, there are times I just can't get an analog > fix. Like on planes, car trips, outside by the pool etc.. I don't think > portable cassette players sound as good as my Ipod, the way I have my > Ipod set up. I usually take my 550, the original "iPod" if you will, and a box of tapes. Call it "suffering for my art." My shoulder has a groove worn into it from the carry strap. > Anyway, you can get excellent sound from these toys. First off, I use > Apple's Lossless Compression to compress. I use the best sounding cd's I > have as a source. Even though the files are 3 to 4 times larger than an > MP3, with 30 gigs of space you can still have more albums on it than you > can listen to for days. On playback you get the original 16 44 files. As > Kermit said, with allot of care, you can get a very good sounding 16 44 > cd. I have the proof in my collection. But they are not so easy to find. > I have noticed the cd layer on hybrid SACD's sounds very good for the > most part. I think they are taking more time and effort mastering > SACD's, and it spills over to the cd layer. My guess... I'd agree ... Sony is, for once, draconian about enforcing high quality mastering of SACDs because they want to kill the competition: DVD-A and HDCD. I did one SACD project for Diversity Records, Ltd., under Sony's auspices and they forced me to make radical system upgrades to qualify. They decided my gear wasn't good enough so they sent a modified Genex DSD recorder with Meintner A/D and D/A convertors to do the project on. I had to build new mic preamps because what I had was too noisy (-130 EIN was too noisy!) Even my windscreens weren't good enough! Paul Weitzel, the producer, gave me real grief -- and excellent tech tips -- over the technical quality. Perfection or else. And no arguments. I was thrilled! What a welcome relief from the usual "just make it louder" tripe I put up with from most studios! Finally, quality mattered to someone. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 31 08:01:55 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:01:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam DVRA-1000 vs. analog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424B9253.4000104@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mark, Mark Hugo wrote: > As usual, you get me chuckling Kermit..... > > Gosh, its so nice to be right. Seriously, the same people who hug > i-Pods which are small and cute and hold a billion songs, albeit badly, > are the same mindsets that aspire to a 2-tonne SUV with 275-24 Semperit > Trackgrips that will be used almost exclusively for taking a 30kg > lightie to shool via a tarred road. Or the guys who buy huge 30-horsepower lawn tractors with 36-inch mowing decks to mow the 20-foot by 30-foot front "lawn" of their row house. > I mean, is there a need for it to > hold so many songs...or to be so small, or the car so darn enormous? > The worry is that there is this whole generation out there who have > appalling hearing - was it the tartrazine? Maybe it's the MSG. It's the "features per dollar ratio" mentality of advertising executives designers who, like so much kudzu, are taking over product design. Contrast that to Nakamichi, whose designers actually asked the question, "Does this feature actually do something meaningful?" > In the words of Eric Idle in The Meaning of Life, let's hope there's > intelligent life out there, because there's bugger all down here on > earth!! > I've just founded SITI: The Search for Intra-Terrestrial Intelligence. I don't think we'll succeed.... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ti at amb.org Thu Mar 31 10:16:36 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:16:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Type III Ferri-Chrome In-Reply-To: <001b01c5353e$dc2146e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> from "rjkent@comcast.net" at Mar 30, 2005 07:40:46 AM Message-ID: <20050331081636.A680626F91@smtp.amb.org> rjkent at comcast.net writes: > Ferri-Chrome tapes are Type III tapes. The 680ZX, and all other = > Nakamichi decks as far as I know, have no Tape Type Selector, Bias, or = > Equalization settings to handle the properties of the Ferri-Chrome tape. = > I remember some discussions on this topic from about a year ago on how = > to mix the EQ and Tape Type settings to use Type IIIs, but I don't = > remember what they were. You can get fairly close with EX ("normal") recording bias and 70uS playback EQ. If your Nak has a manual bias control, then you can play with the bias tuning just a bit depending on the brand of the type III tape. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 09:56:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:56:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] turntable click and pops In-Reply-To: <424B85EC.3040304@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Dear Kermit! >The Dual 1249's arm is fixed BUT I did tweak it by applying typewriter key >cleaner putty to the inside of the plastic headshell and by immobilizing >the two-position base with base with RTV silicon sealant. Tightened up the >bass end of the rig. Bravo...extremely cute from you...doing so! I'm very proud!!! I own & use Commercial Audio Technica "Sonic Tonic"...Vibration Damping Compound...a bottle with me since 1978! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Bala Ganesh Chandra >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] turntable click and pops >Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:09:00 -0500 > >Hi Bala, > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>My pleasure Kermit! I use a truncated stylus for my Stanton 500 during 78 >>playback. After discovering MC playback, there's been no going back to MM >>for me, although a minor side hobby is to collect old MM carts and listen. >>I am no cartridge expert, but I feel that the other end of the cantilever >>is loaded with heavier magnets and thus its tracking will be just >>different. Light coils however mean a very different cart behaviour. The >>quietest cart I used was the Lyra Helikon. This one uses a Ogura PA >>line-contact styli. Its a slight departure from the usual types used. But >>coupled with that are many other important areas, like the cantilever >>suspension, the magnet structure, the overall body. Why? All this combines >>to dictate how the cart will ride on the groove, how it will sit, and how >>it will behave under dynamic conditions. I just simply liken in to the way >>the Nak playback heads are designed. >> > >Good points! > >>I just posted about cleanliness of the record. To say that there is dirt >>and grunge down there and let the stylus ride higher, doesnt sound >>attractive to me. > >But if you cannot get the grunge out, it's a good alternative, yes? Not >ideal, but.... > >>The Dual IS a good tt, and the 681EE has been passed to me from my dad. So >>you have a very good setup there. > >>BTW, what arm are you using Kerm? > >The Dual 1249's arm is fixed BUT I did tweak it by applying typewriter key >cleaner putty to the inside of the plastic headshell and by immobilizing >the two-position base with base with RTV silicon sealant. Tightened up the >bass end of the rig. > > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 09:58:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:58:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: MPEG-4 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050331075837.11131.qmail@web41425.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, thats absolutely right. Earlier digital sounded bad not due to the players. In fact, if you can play a newer cd on a older player (it has to be aligned and the laser had to be good), you would be suprised. A lot of mistakes were done when analogue mastering techniques were used to do digital. It took them years to learn and perfect these techniques. And then, computers became much better and started to eliminate tape completely. Just as things were looking better, this made it worse I guess. Also, marketing had the final and important say on the final sound. Just like equipment companies. When I hear the difference between an artists' true voice and their cd, one can tell how much manipulation has gone on inbetween. All this has contibuted to listening fatigue, and it isnt like being able to sit down and listen to music. For an exact analougy, try slowing down your computer monitor to less then 75 Hz if possible and see how long you can look at it. Thats the minimum flicker rate since thats more then the frequency our eyes scan an image. And thats what happening to audio. Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think it wasn't mp3 which is hurting the recording companies. Rather > its mediocre recording and poor program quality from chewing gum artists > who stay as long as they stay sweet, and then have to be spat out and > forgotton. On my file sharing software, I still notice that Sinatra and > the likes enjoy more downloads then Hoobastank and Co. > Hmmm...you found out the industry's dirty little secret! You're right! Music is chosen, in most instances by the a&r person's assessment of who's music will sell the most copies while incurring the least production costs. Artistic merit is purely coincidental. I routinely had my recording projects scaled baxck or cancelled by management because of economics (or other reasons, like the cute lead singer's refusal to sleep with the producer or the band's lack of "photogenic appeal"), even though the artistry was outstanding. That's why I quit to start my own studio. > */Fred Lifton /* wrote: > > MPEG-4 is very good technology that has yet to gain wide acceptance > ... But the sound is ... much better; you just basically hear more information and fewer > compression artifacts. > I've only used it to rip CD's and yes, I agree, at 128 they sound about > as good as the original CD's and the files are nice and small. That is, > of course, damning with faint praise, since not one CD I own sounds > better than new vinyl spun past my worn-out old Dynavector DV-50a or a > good analog-source recording played back on my humble CR-3a. So there. When a compressed file format, such as AAW or MPEG-4, can come close to equalling the sound of the original CD, then I'd say the original CD wasn't done too well. Alas, this underscores the sad fact that CDs seldom sound as good as "older" technology, like analog Nakamichi cassette decks. This is NOT because of the CD's PCM technology, but because of poor mastering practice and low quality control enforcement by the labels. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 10:05:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:05:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Message-ID: Dear Gra' Sorry from my lovely pass away Daddy, I have his transformers collection ALL made in USA, from the Leading brands during the 50/60ties. Chinese items I don't "Meet" any of them here yet...& never will buy one of those! OK...I agreed 100% that a bigger transformer can work "COOLER"! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage >Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:16:41 +0100 > >Alex > >Yes, you're probably right that they may be overkill but they are not THAT >big. And the smaller models that Maplin sell are not much cheaper than the >big ones! I did buy some very cheap Chinese transformers. They looked >rather 1960s, what with being coloured in yellow enamel, but the darned >things literally fell apart inside 12 months! > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 30 March 2005 11:30 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > > > > > > > Shalom my dear Gra' > > > > I recommend > > >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin...WHY...MY DEAR GRA'...It's > > >really not essential or a requisite!...For me spell money...ONLY...if >he > > >will purchase some other "Tube/Valve" unit...merely, for a Nakamichi > > >deck...really & heart fully a money waste matter! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:17:18 +0100 > > > > > >MessageSurely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and > > various other > > >US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. > > I recommend > > >one of those beefy transformers from Maplin > > > > > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf > > >Of Shaun Montgomery > > > Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to > > >240v > > >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? > > > > > > Shaun > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Thu Mar 31 10:07:39 2005 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:07:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: UK Voltage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424BAFCB.8010405@peromarta.org> Dear all, I don't think buying a "Helftly/beefiest tranformer" is the way to go. Transformers - like most other electric / electronic devices, are design for certain uses, and the sizing proccess is quite important. As a rule of thumb, one should choose a transformer to deliver the needed power at 60% of it's rated power handling capabilities, because at this point is where nominal voltages are measured. Thus, for an average size 50W deck, I would choose something around 85VA (if there's only active power consuption, with nearly no reactive as in decks, VA=W). If you choose a "Helftly/beefiest tranformer", used at it's 10% capacity, you may be feeding your deck with a up to 10-15% higher voltage, which is NOT good. I would not care too much about the 50 / 60Hz issue, most decks will rectify for DC and use from there. My 2c LP. Alex Cozac escribió: > Shalom Christos & Gra' > > Can you separatly inform me "WHY"...for a Nak machine you acquired s > "Helftly/beefiest tranformer"?. As for by many years of > comprehandling...for near 45 watts that each unit the,need of a so big > and heawy step down mains transformer...simpleness it's very > hard/arduous to comprehend!!! > > Thank's so much for make me aprehend! > > ALEX! > > > >> From: Christos Kokkolis >> Reply-To: Kokkolis at hotmail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: UK Voltage >> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:37:47 +0100 (BST) >> >> Gra' is right, I live in UK too, while my Dragon & CR-7 have US >> voltage. I bought myself the beefiest tranformer from Maplin I could >> find, (about £30) and they work really well. >> >> >> Christos >> -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From kokkolis at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 11:05:58 2005 From: kokkolis at yahoo.com (Christos Kokkolis) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:05:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] UK voltage for Naks Message-ID: <20050331090558.70493.qmail@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Alex, when I got my Naks and I noticed they were US voltage, I went to Maplin to buy a UK transformer. There was a reasonable selection of transformers there, all from US to UK voltage, so I asked Maplin staff which one to choose. They pointed out that such a good Hi-Fi kit needs not only the right voltage, but also a hefty current (measured in amperes) so as to ensure that the transformer can easily handle the "electronic load" of the Nak. To do this, you want your transformer to deliver both current and voltage in a consistent manner to minimise fluctuations, so as to ensure accurate and controlled operation of the motor & electronics. This usually means that you need to buy not just a transformer, but one that is "regulated". Generally, these are more expensive, more sophisticated electronics and therefore come in (usually) larger size than common (unregulated) ones. Mind you, the one I bought is the size of a shoebox (it actually has a handle to lift it), is quite heavy, costed about £30, and although it is not "regulated", it can consistently deliver current for a fridge, so it will never run out of steam when it powers my Naks !!! Indeed, when I plugged any of my US Naks, I couldn't hear any problems or hiss / noise from the motors or detect any tape speed issues. Now, you can argue that I went too far (or Maplin sold me something too extravagant), but when I payed £500 for a mint Dragon or CR-7, I was rather disinclined to save £20 on a transformer and a buy a cheapo one for £10...... Shalom from me too !! Christos ***************** 72 Redlands Road, Reading RG1 5HU, UK Tel: +44 118 9861742 Mob: +44 7968 702972 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 31 11:29:54 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:29:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Recording on TDK MA-XG Message-ID: David, The MA-XG will certainly take more level than your other tapes that you mention. However, no tape whatsoever should be expected to withstand maximum recording levels. Watch the metering in rec/pause mode as usual, and for this type, you can expect no grief from peaks in the +4 dB area. Use the source selector to assess your levels properly. Comedy recordings typically, but not only, peak with applause - so use that as your guide. I'm not sure about any other causes for your dilemma without knowing your connector arrangement. Cheers - Marc >>> david.edwards58 at virgin.net 03/31/05 01:26AM >>> Hi Folks, So I unwrapped one of my precious and expensive TDK MA-XG 90 tapes (I expect you know the eBay advert), drooled at the case for a moment and then attempted to record a comedy show from a BBC CD. I wound the recording levels up to max and watched the meters zoom to the top on 'source' but flutter about in the usual manner on 'tape'. I had remembered to push down the metal, button rather than the usual chrome, one. So what could go wrong? What indeed? The result sounds far worse than the lovely recordings I get on both SA90's and Maxell XL-II's. I don't know what I was expecting but not a sort of 'bottom of a goldfish bowl' effect with harsh highs and boomy lows. (Excuse the description but I'm not technical). So where did I go wrong? I had previously tried setting the recording level meters to the same settings as for chrome (about 12 o'clock) when I had a go before but could hardly hear the recorded material afterwards. I don't like to fiddle with the Bias knob as that seems a bit technical and I'd be bound to make it worse. Any suggestions anyone or should I stick to what works and just admire the sexy cases? The comedy show? The Navy Lark for those Anglophiles out there. Takes me right back to the days of my youth, lying under the radiogram on a Sunday afternoon listening to the Home service (or had it become R4 by then? Hmmm). I'm not expecting miracles. Any suggestions gratefully received. By the way can anyone tell me which machines will record and play back in mono? Any or none? Thanks a lot. 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However one has to look at the peaks when recording - under bias with signal overload can be terrible Kannan Mark Hugo wrote: David, The MA-XG will certainly take more level than your other tapes that you mention. However, no tape whatsoever should be expected to withstand maximum recording levels. Watch the metering in rec/pause mode as usual, and for this type, you can expect no grief from peaks in the +4 dB area. Use the source selector to assess your levels properly. Comedy recordings typically, but not only, peak with applause - so use that as your guide. I'm not sure about any other causes for your dilemma without knowing your connector arrangement. Cheers - Marc >>> david.edwards58 at virgin.net 03/31/05 01:26AM >>> Hi Folks, So I unwrapped one of my precious and expensive TDK MA-XG 90 tapes (I expect you know the eBay advert), drooled at the case for a moment and then attempted to record a comedy show from a BBC CD. I wound the recording levels up to max and watched the meters zoom to the top on 'source' but flutter about in the usual manner on 'tape'. I had remembered to push down the metal, button rather than the usual chrome, one. So what could go wrong? What indeed? The result sounds far worse than the lovely recordings I get on both SA90's and Maxell XL-II's. I don't know what I was expecting but not a sort of 'bottom of a goldfish bowl' effect with harsh highs and boomy lows. (Excuse the description but I'm not technical). So where did I go wrong? I had previously tried setting the recording level meters to the same settings as for chrome (about 12 o'clock) when I had a go before but could hardly hear the recorded material afterwards. I don't like to fiddle with the Bias knob as that seems a bit technical and I'd be bound to make it worse. Any suggestions anyone or should I stick to what works and just admire the sexy cases? The comedy show? The Navy Lark for those Anglophiles out there. Takes me right back to the days of my youth, lying under the radiogram on a Sunday afternoon listening to the Home service (or had it become R4 by then? Hmmm). I'm not expecting miracles. Any suggestions gratefully received. By the way can anyone tell me which machines will record and play back in mono? Any or none? Thanks a lot. 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Didn't do much for cleaning, and charged my records up with so much static they'd raise the hair on my arms from 10 - 12 inches away! So I went looking for a cleaning solution. I would really have liked to get one of the vacuum machines but I guess that I'm just too cheap to lay out even a couple hundred bucks at this point(besides, I'm still waiting to here from ESL about the cost to rebuild my Nak 600!). To get to the point, I found on Ebay, a seller who was manufacturing his own simple device that would allow washing of records under running water. The device clamps around the labels of both larger disks and 45's to keep the label dry and includes a brush to get right down to the bottom of the groove. I just use a few drops of dishwashing liquid in a bowl, wet the record under the tap then dip the brush in the detergent and run it around the record then rinse. Since the water where I live is pretty hard, I then dry the record with a microfiber towel so there's no mineral deposits. the record is clean, quiet and pretty much static free. If you were picky, you could use the cleaning fluid that is used with the machines or formulate your own and rinse with distilled water. The thing is called the "Groovmaster" and usually ends up selling for around $30.00. I think it's a fine and affordable compromise to a vacuum machine. I've included a link below - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=618&item=4714127053&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Keith Dawson From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 31 18:56:47 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:56:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c53612$a169e4b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Greetings Alex, That is very reassuring. I know that Maplins sell a 100va transformer and that is the one I shall purchase. All the best Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 30 March 2005 16:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage Shalom my friend Shaun, NO 100% sure...all Nak from the first one Tri-Tracer 1000 & 700 line...at the beginning have an a "Multi-Voltage" transformer, with if I'm recall well 6 positions, first one I'm 100% was 100 volt as used in Japan till 250 volts or maybe 240 (Which I personally plug such voltage for be on a "Safe" way! ...later ones for earn more money, to US...they export 117 & or Europe 230 volts version only internally transformer...on cheaper/medium price units, the Top of the Line continue using a "Cheaper" version "Multi-Voltage transformer with a "Switch"...117>236 volts, and a "Plate"/Cover with a screw for safety..so you can move the "Tongue" cheaper switch by error! The motor/s always were universally 60 & 50 Hz...so it's 100% OK...Enjoy your deck as much as possible!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:57 +0100 > >Thanks Alex, my concern/fear was that the change of the phase from 60Hz >to 50Hz might cause a slow down of the motor drive regardless of the >voltage. > >This is my first Nak (a BX-300) and I don't want to get it wrong! My >previous cassette player was an ageing 3 head Aiwa 3500. > >Cheers Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 30 March 2005 04:35 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage > > >Shalom Shaun! > >Not at all..., one of many Naks decks the 600/2 was also import to >Israel >by > >a private person, and I use it with my at that era common step up >transformer from 117>230 that till today I owned, (My current gear is >all wired directly from America for Israel 230v local mains)...whatever >during the 70ties when I own the legendary Marantz 7c + 8b set...was >ONLY wired for > >US 117v mains the preamp 7c at the back have 6 mains sockets...to one >of those sockets I plug in my Nak 600/2 and work superbly >well...SO...Shaun..don't worry be 100% happy...& enjoy your Nak!!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage > >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:15:28 +0100 > > > >Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to > >240v > >(50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the > >UK? > > > >Shaun > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________ NOD32 1.1040 (20050329) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1041 (20050330) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 20:07:23 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:07:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 service manual In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050331180723.53814.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> The service manual is available from Tomas' Nakamichi Resources web site. http://www.naks.mine.nu/ Click on Home on the left side column. Then click on Downloads when it appears. Then on the right side column click on " wrote: > Hi! > I picked up a Nakamichi 600 at a fleamarket last weekend. I think > that some > rubber parts may be worn out since speed accuracy is not 100%. I > would like > some tech tips or a service manual if someone would be so kind. I > also have > one 600 pending at an auction site on which the play button does > not work. > These tapedecks need to be preserved! > Greetings, > Erik Ortstad > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's > FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 31 22:13:23 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:13:23 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 service manual References: Message-ID: <00b301c5362e$179abea0$874b98de@tec> Hello Erik Nakamichi 600 Service Manual enclosed. Have fun. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "erik ortstad" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 service manual > Hi! > I picked up a Nakamichi 600 at a fleamarket last weekend. I think that > some rubber parts may be worn out since speed accuracy is not 100%. I > would like some tech tips or a service manual if someone would be so kind. > I also have one 600 pending at an auction site on which the play button > does not work. These tapedecks need to be preserved! > Greetings, > Erik Ortstad > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nakamichi 600 Service Manual.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 2081696 bytes Desc: not available URL: From liftonf at reed.edu Thu Mar 31 22:24:38 2005 From: liftonf at reed.edu (Frederick C. Lifton) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:24:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] cr3 woes Message-ID: <1212843f90018a5c760535d3b30df734@reed.edu> Hi Folks, Well my CR-3 must have sensed my recent lust for that ebay CR7 because it developed a spiteful flaw. When playing a tape, the take-up reel seems to hesitate, stop and start. Eventually this causes a tape loop and the deck stops. FF and REW work fine. My guess is a slipping belt. What do you real experts think? FYI, that CR7 went for more than I could afford. Should've kept my mouth shut! thanks, Fred PS Thanks for the recent response, Kermit. Fascinating as always... From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Thu Mar 31 22:54:35 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:54:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Type III Ferri-Chrome Message-ID: <200503311554_MC3-1-9A02-444B@compuserve.com> I have a 1974 model sony tc177sd deck which has an FeCr EQ setting, suggesting it is somewhere between Normal and CrO2 values. On the schematic looks like the playback EQ setting for CrO2 and FeCr are the same, but recording EQ is different. I don't know any Nakamichi deck with adjustable EQ (other than 70 or 120us). The 177sd also has a 3 level switch for bias: low, normal and high. For the FeCr tape 'normal' bias setting is suggested. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 5 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:16:36 -0800 (PST) From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Type III Ferri-Chrome To: rjkent at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20050331081636.A680626F91 at smtp.amb.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii rjkent at comcast.net writes: > Ferri-Chrome tapes are Type III tapes. The 680ZX, and all other = > Nakamichi decks as far as I know, have no Tape Type Selector, Bias, or = > Equalization settings to handle the properties of the Ferri-Chrome tape. = > I remember some discussions on this topic from about a year ago on how = > to mix the EQ and Tape Type settings to use Type IIIs, but I don't = > remember what they were. You can get fairly close with EX ("normal") recording bias and 70uS playback EQ. If your Nak has a manual bias control, then you can play with the bias tuning just a bit depending on the brand of the type III tape. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik < From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 31 23:44:53 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:44:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] cr3 woes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D99E@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Does your deck have the gear drive or idler wheel? If it is the idler wheel then that will be the culprit. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Frederick C. Lifton [mailto:liftonf at reed.edu] Sent: Friday, 1 April 2005 6:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cr3 woes Hi Folks, Well my CR-3 must have sensed my recent lust for that ebay CR7 because it developed a spiteful flaw. When playing a tape, the take-up reel seems to hesitate, stop and start. Eventually this causes a tape loop and the deck stops. FF and REW work fine. My guess is a slipping belt. What do you real experts think? FYI, that CR7 went for more than I could afford. Should've kept my mouth shut! thanks, Fred PS Thanks for the recent response, Kermit. Fascinating as always... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 31 23:10:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage In-Reply-To: <001601c53526$9fc53ca0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <000401c53636$0a9814c0$bd7e893e@oemcomputer> MessageHi Shaun I live near Liverpool, on the coast as yourself. I'm sure you'll be fine with the Maplins transformer. Best of luck Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 30 March 2005 13:47 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage Gra', where do you live, I live in Bournemouth. That is reassuring to know that you have it working successfully. I have just bought a BX-300 on Ebay and as this is my first Nakamichi and I wanted to be sure that it was safe to use a step down transformer. My concern/fear was that the change of the phase from 60Hz to 50Hz might cause a slow down of the motor drive regardless of the voltage. I have a Maplin near here so will take a look shortly All the best Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 30 March 2005 00:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK Voltage Surely not. I've used a US BX1 with a transformer and various other US sourced bits of hi fi including a 70 watt Class A tube amp. I recommend one of those beefy transformers from Maplin Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 29 March 2005 22:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK Voltage Does anybody know if there is a problem with using a 120v (60 Hz) to 240v (50Hz) transformer for use with US designed Nakamichi decks in the UK? Shaun __________ NOD32 1.1040 (20050329) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I had an analogue meter too (it wouldn't read an exact level, but it would give an easy to repeat mark to work off. Am I right or full of brown stuff? Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trimpot Replacement Bias Adjust Preset is a very critical trimpot as it should be having low inductance for this purpose - wirewound multi turn pots are not suitable in my openion. Dual single turn - ceramic - one with low value resistance will be an ideal solution. Even this is not better than a single one. naks have a series resistor and trimpot - which works fine with bias adjustment for calibration. Better solution is tunable inductance like the ones in CR 7 / CR 4 and they are responsible for fantastic recording capabilities of these two decks. Kannan Dave Harris wrote: Hi Nakkers I was just reading an interesting article on amplifier mods and setting up amplifiers for optimim performance on the TNT Audio site. The mention replacing the cheapo trimpots with sealed multiturn ones. Sounds like a godd idea. I've just started playing around with setting Bias and record levels on Cassette Decks (practicing on an Old Technics RS-B40 before I mess with a Nakamichi) and I found it frustrating that I couldn't seem to get an accurate adjustment with the factory Trimpots. This is an easy mod once you have the circuit board out. Also it should mean your settings will last longer due to the sealed trimpot. I womdered if anyone elese had tried this idea or had any thoughts on it. Cheers Dave -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 From daveharris at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 2 12:05:01 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:05:01 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese Web Site with naks References: <20050527055719.4F1A986B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <018401c564f9$2d24fc00$c36065da@vurt> Message-ID: <00ee01c5675a$8a4c9740$656065da@vurt> Hi Nak People Found another Japanese with interesting Nak stuff on it. All In Japanese though http://www.kantama.com main section has lot's of info about ADRES and other nr systems annex section has repair infor (lots of pics) On Nakamichi Highcom II, CR-70 and other cool loking stuff Dave -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 From olaf at expansions.nl Thu Jun 2 15:26:44 2005 From: olaf at expansions.nl (olaf at expansions.nl) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:26:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] introduction and bias question Message-ID: <008201c56776$b8ac2b20$0100a8c0@olaf> Hello, i am Olaf, living in the Netherlands. Yesterday i purchased a like-new DR-2 and i'm really happy with it! My main purpose will be to use it in my small home-studio to get something like "tape sound" to my digital and analogue sound sources. I am using maxell XL-II type2 cassettes. It seems that my deck is also adjusted to using these cassettes on the type2 setting. But when i tried some recordings yesterday i noticed that the recorded version has a little more highs in it compared to the source. Turning the bias setting to the right as far as possible solved most of this, but still the recorded version is a little more trebly. So my question: is it possible for me to adjust the deck so i can use the bias setting in the center? If so, how do i do this? cheers! Olaf From leo9the9lion at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 2 16:39:57 2005 From: leo9the9lion at yahoo.co.uk (qqqqq ttttt) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:39:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] 581 Message-ID: <20050602143958.90842.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello. I am a Meditation Master and Martial Arts Master. If anyone has questions on those subjects fire away. While living in Japan I heard a Nak 1 system(Amp 1 cassette deck 1 cd 1) and deceided to get one when I got back to England. I have bought a Nak Amp2 and having heard that the old cassette decks sound best a 581. I got it cheap with the intention of learning and seeing if I like the sound. Lovely mechanism, but how does it sound? I replaced the power cable. The wheel arm was stuck, I removed it and cleaned it. The belts were worn I have done a temporary repair with elastic bands. Now it plays back but only on one channel and only with the mechanical cable ( play/record?) disconnected. It seems like the cable operates backwards. Is this possible? How can I check if the head is OK? If I short the contacts I hear music through both channels. Is the work and parts more than the deck is worth, or can someone help? Where can I get belts a head and a manual? Regards Leo --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Jun 2 18:05:40 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:05:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? In-Reply-To: <200506021002.j52A0403007525@zxe.naks.com> References: <200506021002.j52A0403007525@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1fa8e4457a5d193cc261b20199a74b17@mac.com> Great question, I've wondered the same myself. It makes it hard to keep an eye on your levels from across the room (which if you're recording live can be quite critical, I'm learning). I hope someone has the answer! Fred On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:02 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: martinferreira at hotmail.com > Date: June 1, 2005 9:21:37 PM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Hello fellow Nakers. > > Having been a Nak owner for 12 years now with a CR3 & CR7 and having > recently acquired a BX-150, I have often asked myself what the > reasoning was that prompted Nakamichi Corporation to not manufacture > their tape decks with multicoloured peak level LEDs: Green for > operating level (in the - area) and RED for above operating level (in > the + range). > > All other tape deck manufactures that I have come across did, even the > budget ones, so it couldn't have been prompted by financial > constraints. > > A multicoloured peak display is much more practical when recording by > allowing one to more easily monitor recording level especially in > dimly lit rooms. > > Obviously the high sound quality of Naks have made up for what I > consider an inconvenience, but this matter has never ceased to perplex > me. > > So can anyone shed some light (in any colour) on this question. > ::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Harris" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Japanese Web Site with naks > Hi Nak People > > Found another Japanese with interesting Nak stuff on it. > > All In Japanese though > > http://www.kantama.com > > main section has lot's of info about ADRES and other nr systems > > annex section has repair infor (lots of pics) On Nakamichi Highcom II, CR-70 > and other cool loking stuff > > > Dave > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 3 10:27:24 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:27:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] introduction and bias question Message-ID: Hi Olaf, You have used the bias control correctly and if the upper and upper-midrange frequencies are still too birght, then the best option is to settle for a tamer tape. Theoretically, one could go for adjustment of the internal trim-pots inside the machine but I would avoid this. A tape more suited to your ears may well be TDK SA. Being in Holland it might be tricky getting an SA from the far east, but the Thai ones have a better reputation than the ones from Luxembourg. Sony UX (not UX-S) is also less upfront than XLII. The Italian ones are best but those from the far-east are trouble-free. Finally, you will find the fairly affordable BASF/Emtec Chrome Extra will probably suit your ears well. I think the current issue are made in France. Good luck. Marc >>> olaf at expansions.nl 06/02/05 03:26PM >>> Hello, i am Olaf, living in the Netherlands. Yesterday i purchased a like-new DR-2 and i'm really happy with it! My main purpose will be to use it in my small home-studio to get something like "tape sound" to my digital and analogue sound sources. I am using maxell XL-II type2 cassettes. It seems that my deck is also adjusted to using these cassettes on the type2 setting. But when i tried some recordings yesterday i noticed that the recorded version has a little more highs in it compared to the source. Turning the bias setting to the right as far as possible solved most of this, but still the recorded version is a little more trebly. So my question: is it possible for me to adjust the deck so i can use the bias setting in the center? If so, how do i do this? cheers! Olaf ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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In-Reply-To: <1fa8e4457a5d193cc261b20199a74b17@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050603083601.85590.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen some other makes like Aiwa also use single coloured bargraphs. Seems to me the reason is more technical. Fred Lifton wrote: Great question, I've wondered the same myself. It makes it hard to keep an eye on your levels from across the room (which if you're recording live can be quite critical, I'm learning). I hope someone has the answer! Fred On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:02 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: martinferreira at hotmail.com > Date: June 1, 2005 9:21:37 PM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Hello fellow Nakers. > > Having been a Nak owner for 12 years now with a CR3 & CR7 and having > recently acquired a BX-150, I have often asked myself what the > reasoning was that prompted Nakamichi Corporation to not manufacture > their tape decks with multicoloured peak level LEDs: Green for > operating level (in the - area) and RED for above operating level (in > the + range). > > All other tape deck manufactures that I have come across did, even the > budget ones, so it couldn't have been prompted by financial > constraints. > > A multicoloured peak display is much more practical when recording by > allowing one to more easily monitor recording level especially in > dimly lit rooms. > > Obviously the high sound quality of Naks have made up for what I > consider an inconvenience, but this matter has never ceased to perplex > me. > > So can anyone shed some light (in any colour) on this question. > ::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Fri Jun 3 11:57:13 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 02:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? In-Reply-To: <20050603083601.85590.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "Bala Ganesh Chandra" at Jun 03, 2005 01:36:01 AM Message-ID: <20050603095713.36C4221C74@smtp.amb.org> Nakamichi is never known to have great ergonomics when it comes to front panel controls and displays. The CR series is actually a big improvement over the older decks whose the LED-based meters are not only single-color, the meter and switch markings on the panel are difficult to read in dim lighting (such as on the Dragon). I doubt that there is a technical reason why they are that way. It's probably Nakamichi's stylistic preferences (keeping the number of colors to a minimum) overruling functional sensibilities. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > I have seen some other makes like Aiwa also use single coloured > bargraphs. Seems to me the reason is more technical. > > > Fred Lifton wrote: > > Great question, I've wondered the same myself. It makes it hard to keep > > an eye on your levels from across the room (which if you're recording > > live can be quite critical, I'm learning). I hope someone has the > > answer! > > > > > > > > From: martinferreira at hotmail.com > > > > > > Having been a Nak owner for 12 years now with a CR3 & CR7 and having > > > recently acquired a BX-150, I have often asked myself what the > > > reasoning was that prompted Nakamichi Corporation to not manufacture > > > their tape decks with multicoloured peak level LEDs: Green for > > > operating level (in the - area) and RED for above operating level (in > > > the + range). > > > ... > > > A multicoloured peak display is much more practical when recording by > > > allowing one to more easily monitor recording level especially in > > > dimly lit rooms. From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Fri Jun 3 11:54:15 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:54:15 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? References: <20050603083601.85590.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d801c56822$3408b5d0$0d10a8c0@TG> Revox also uses same color but a bit larger leds on the critical zone..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? I have seen some other makes like Aiwa also use single coloured bargraphs. Seems to me the reason is more technical. Fred Lifton wrote: Great question, I've wondered the same myself. It makes it hard to keep an eye on your levels from across the room (which if you're recording live can be quite critical, I'm learning). I hope someone has the answer! Fred On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:02 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: martinferreira at hotmail.com > Date: June 1, 2005 9:21:37 PM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Hello fellow Nakers. > > Having been a Nak owner for 12 years now with a CR3 & CR7 and having > recently acquired a BX-150, I have often asked myself what the > reasoning was that prompted Nakamichi Corporation to not manufacture > their tape decks wi! th multicoloured peak level LEDs: Green for > operating level (in the - area) and RED for above operating level (in > the + range). > > All other tape deck manufactures that I have come across did, even the > budget ones, so it couldn't have been prompted by financial > constraints. > > A multicoloured peak display is much more practical when recording by > allowing one to more easily monitor recording level especially in > dimly lit rooms. > > Obviously the high sound quality of Naks have made up for what I > consider an inconvenience, but this matter has never ceased to perplex > me. > > So can anyone shed some light (in any colour) on this question. > ::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Discover Yahoo! 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(the model posted on this web site) Never heard of > it....A version of a CR 7? > > Randall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Harris" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:05 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Japanese Web Site with naks > > > > Hi Nak People > > > > Found another Japanese with interesting Nak stuff on it. > > > > All In Japanese though > > > > http://www.kantama.com > > > > main section has lot's of info about ADRES and other nr systems > > > > annex section has repair infor (lots of pics) On Nakamichi Highcom II, > CR-70 > > and other cool loking stuff > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 3 12:07:57 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:07:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? Message-ID: It is indeed a good question but I think it goes to the way Nakamichi thought about heir machines. I doubt that they were against dual colour displays - they might have never given a thought one way or the other. They probably couldn't fathom why a recordist would have anything but their full attention on the display and hands on the controls. It has been said on occasion that Nakamichi did not put convenience at the top of its priorities, only sound quality. I doubt that they gave it any thought. They certainly didn't not watch other manufacturers as closely as they themselves were watched. The other thing is that when a Nak nudges into the red it matters less than when recording on other makes of deck. I have a yr 1984 Alpage AL-50 and a yr 2000 Pioneer CT-S640S - both only one colour. (Blue). Cheers - Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 06/02/05 06:05PM >>> Great question, I've wondered the same myself. It makes it hard to keep an eye on your levels from across the room (which if you're recording live can be quite critical, I'm learning). I hope someone has the answer! Fred On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:02 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: martinferreira at hotmail.com > Date: June 1, 2005 9:21:37 PM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED displays? > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Hello fellow Nakers. > > Having been a Nak owner for 12 years now with a CR3 & CR7 and having > recently acquired a BX-150, I have often asked myself what the > reasoning was that prompted Nakamichi Corporation to not manufacture > their tape decks with multicoloured peak level LEDs: Green for > operating level (in the - area) and RED for above operating level (in > the + range). > > All other tape deck manufactures that I have come across did, even the > budget ones, so it couldn't have been prompted by financial > constraints. > > A multicoloured peak display is much more practical when recording by > allowing one to more easily monitor recording level especially in > dimly lit rooms. > > Obviously the high sound quality of Naks have made up for what I > consider an inconvenience, but this matter has never ceased to perplex > me. > > So can anyone shed some light (in any colour) on this question. > ::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Martin The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: From olaf at expansions.nl Fri Jun 3 12:20:44 2005 From: olaf at expansions.nl (olaf at expansions.nl) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:20:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] introduction and bias question References: Message-ID: <004701c56825$e7ba1da0$0100a8c0@olaf> Mark, thanks for your info! So the Maxell XLII are the brightest type2 cassettes around it seems? Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] introduction and bias question Hi Olaf, You have used the bias control correctly and if the upper and upper-midrange frequencies are still too birght, then the best option is to settle for a tamer tape. Theoretically, one could go for adjustment of the internal trim-pots inside the machine but I would avoid this. A tape more suited to your ears may well be TDK SA. Being in Holland it might be tricky getting an SA from the far east, but the Thai ones have a better reputation than the ones from Luxembourg. Sony UX (not UX-S) is also less upfront than XLII. The Italian ones are best but those from the far-east are trouble-free. Finally, you will find the fairly affordable BASF/Emtec Chrome Extra will probably suit your ears well. I think the current issue are made in France. Good luck. Marc >>> olaf at expansions.nl 06/02/05 03:26PM >>> Hello, i am Olaf, living in the Netherlands. Yesterday i purchased a like-new DR-2 and i'm really happy with it! My main purpose will be to use it in my small home-studio to get something like "tape sound" to my digital and analogue sound sources. I am using maxell XL-II type2 cassettes. It seems that my deck is also adjusted to using these cassettes on the type2 setting. But when i tried some recordings yesterday i noticed that the recorded version has a little more highs in it compared to the source. Turning the bias setting to the right as far as possible solved most of this, but still the recorded version is a little more trebly. 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URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 3 13:49:52 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:49:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] introduction and bias question Message-ID: Howdy Olaf, I think out of those tapes that are currently widely available, that's possibly true (that the XLII is the brightest of the type IIs) with the exception of Sony's UX-S which can presently still be found. UX-S is really a super-chrome and is very fresh and vital sounding, but can be overly sensitive to excess level. Previously available type IIs that were as energetic in the upper frequencies included JVC AFII, Fuji JPII Pro and Sony UX Turbo. The "super-chomes" which are tough to find thesedays are generally brighter, with tilted sensitivities to immunise them against azimuth discrepancies (i.e. Maxell XLII-S, JVC UFII, BASF TPII and Fuji ZII). I say generally, because TDK SA-X is one of this elevated level of type II but is more calibration-friendly and evenly balanced than it's direct competitors. Cheers - Marc >>> olaf at expansions.nl 06/03/05 12:20PM >>> Mark, thanks for your info! So the Maxell XLII are the brightest type2 cassettes around it seems? Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] introduction and bias question Hi Olaf, You have used the bias control correctly and if the upper and upper-midrange frequencies are still too birght, then the best option is to settle for a tamer tape. Theoretically, one could go for adjustment of the internal trim-pots inside the machine but I would avoid this. A tape more suited to your ears may well be TDK SA. Being in Holland it might be tricky getting an SA from the far east, but the Thai ones have a better reputation than the ones from Luxembourg. Sony UX (not UX-S) is also less upfront than XLII. The Italian ones are best but those from the far-east are trouble-free. Finally, you will find the fairly affordable BASF/Emtec Chrome Extra will probably suit your ears well. I think the current issue are made in France. Good luck. Marc >>> olaf at expansions.nl 06/02/05 03:26PM >>> Hello, i am Olaf, living in the Netherlands. Yesterday i purchased a like-new DR-2 and i'm really happy with it! My main purpose will be to use it in my small home-studio to get something like "tape sound" to my digital and analogue sound sources. I am using maxell XL-II type2 cassettes. It seems that my deck is also adjusted to using these cassettes on the type2 setting. But when i tried some recordings yesterday i noticed that the recorded version has a little more highs in it compared to the source. Turning the bias setting to the right as far as possible solved most of this, but still the recorded version is a little more trebly. So my question: is it possible for me to adjust the deck so i can use the bias setting in the center? If so, how do i do this? cheers! 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In-Reply-To: <00d801c56822$3408b5d0$0d10a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20050603143959.94178.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will reel to reels, it usually never mattered if you pushed them into the +3dB zone. My Ampex never clips even at +10dB! Cassettes are a totally different story. The more headroom it gets seems the more better. I think the red leds would really have been great. Bala --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Revox also uses same color but a bit larger leds on > the critical zone..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED > displays? > > > I have seen some other makes like Aiwa also use > single coloured bargraphs. Seems to me the reason is > more technical. > > > Fred Lifton wrote: > Great question, I've wondered the same myself. > It makes it hard to keep > an eye on your levels from across the room > (which if you're recording > live can be quite critical, I'm learning). I > hope someone has the > answer! > Fred > On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:02 AM, > naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > > > From: martinferreira at hotmail.com > > Date: June 1, 2005 9:21:37 PM PDT > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Why Monochromatic LED > displays? > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > Hello fellow Nakers. > > > > Having been a Nak owner for 12 years now with > a CR3 & CR7 and having > > recently acquired a BX-150, I have often asked > myself what the > > reasoning was that prompted Nakamichi > Corporation to not manufacture > > their tape decks wi! th multicoloured peak > level LEDs: Green for > > operating level (in the - area) and RED for > above operating level (in > > the + range). > > > > All other tape deck manufactures that I have > come across did, even the > > budget ones, so it couldn't have been prompted > by financial > > constraints. > > > > A multicoloured peak display is much more > practical when recording by > > allowing one to more easily monitor recording > level especially in > > dimly lit rooms. > > > > Obviously the high sound quality of Naks have > made up for what I > > consider an inconvenience, but this matter has > never ceased to perplex > > me. > > > > So can anyone shed some light (in any colour) > on this question. > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & > more. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flifton at mac.com Sat Jun 4 08:27:23 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:27:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SKC ZX metal In-Reply-To: <200505240753.j4O7r0Ho006627@zxe.naks.com> References: <200505240753.j4O7r0Ho006627@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <61bbcf91d147531cba413421bc666567@mac.com> Has anyone ever heard of SKC ZX metal tapes? They popped up in one my monthly quests for reasonable metal tapes. They're $7.50 US for a 90. I've never heard of SKC. Has anyone? thanks, Fred From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 18:04:55 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:04:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SKC ZX metal References: <200505240753.j4O7r0Ho006627@zxe.naks.com> <61bbcf91d147531cba413421bc666567@mac.com> Message-ID: <000401c5691f$26748400$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Fred, Yes, I actually bought 10 of them to give them a try a few months back but I haven't gotten around to comparing them yet. I plan to record the same source on the SKC ZX, Sony Metal Master, TDK MA-X, and TDK MA-XG to see how they compare. I can tell you that the shells are nothing near the quality of the Metal Master or MA-XG. They are more comparable to a standard TDK tape such as an SA, SA-X, or even MA-X. They are screwed together rather than welded. Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] SKC ZX metal > Has anyone ever heard of SKC ZX metal tapes? They popped up in one my > monthly quests for reasonable metal tapes. They're $7.50 US for a 90. I've > never heard of SKC. Has anyone? > thanks, > Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 18:05:48 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] SKC ZX metal In-Reply-To: <61bbcf91d147531cba413421bc666567@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050604160548.78444.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ssankyong Magnetic Company. Its a Korean arm of Sony which makes very good tape. I believe some of their tape actually uses Sony tape-stock but SKC made shells. Others would have more information. Bala --- Fred Lifton wrote: > Has anyone ever heard of SKC ZX metal tapes? They > popped up in one my > monthly quests for reasonable metal tapes. They're > $7.50 US for a 90. > I've never heard of SKC. Has anyone? > thanks, > Fred > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From flifton at mac.com Sat Jun 4 19:24:23 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:24:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking Sank In-Reply-To: <200505240753.j4O7r0Ho006627@zxe.naks.com> References: <200505240753.j4O7r0Ho006627@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, At one point there was someone monitoring this list who could get in touch with Stephen Sank. I need to get a hold of him so I can get my decks back from him. He's not answering email and his voice mailbox is full, has been that way for some weeks now. If anyone knows how to reach him I would really appreciate it. thanks, Fred From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jun 4 19:32:31 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:32:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SKC ZX metal Message-ID: Hi Fred, Sure have heard of them - I love them!! Any metal is worth consideration and you will like those, I have no doubt. Firstly, to let you know this was very difficult to come by information - but I learnt it from quizzing the RSA agent here - Vivicom SA's Peter Steenhuis - and he reluctlantly "shared". As you will find, you will discover very little from any internet search engine that helps in the slightest. And the web page to which your are directed below will make no mention of Sony (why Sony - read on) any more than Denon will make mention of Sanyo. SKC (aka SMAT) is an operating subsidiary (eg management contract) of SKM of Korea based in Seoul. Although SKMs distribution network takes care of SKC products, SKC was owned by Sony Korea (a series of development agreements still exist with LG), parent company in Japan. This had been the case for a long time (decades). SKM/SKC make cassettes, video tapes and an assortment of digital media. They manufacture jumbo web and pancakes for bulk sale to other manufacturers. When you go to the site, you will see that they boast that they are worlds largest manufacturer of audio and video tape. In or around 1990 SKC started selling a revised range of tapes that were peculiarly similar, please read identical, but for the logos etc, to the 1988 range of Sonys. Amongst them was the ZX. Later on in around 1996 through to about the end of the century (that I can track) they revised the appearance of the tapes from a packaging point of view. Thus you will not go wrong with them - I certainly haven't. I sincerely recommend the now discontinued QX and ZX which I find to be the same as the erstwhile Sony UCX and Metal-ES respectively. The cassettes are sold domestically in the far east as the "SMAT" range, but in the west they are SKC - maybe at some point they will become SKM or just be SMAT. As you probably know Fuji were Axia in the East for some reason - probably licensing and identity/branding issues. I can vouch for the current CD range - they are fresh and dynamic - tough too. They have a range of type Is (no type IVs) - the SK is the best - at least as good as TDK AD. Some might think a bit better. The cassette specific page is at: http://www.skm.co.kr/e_skm/product/pro02.htm The home page for SKM is: http://www.skm.co.kr/e_skm/default.htm Kind regards, Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 06/04/05 08:27AM >>> Has anyone ever heard of SKC ZX metal tapes? They popped up in one my monthly quests for reasonable metal tapes. They're $7.50 US for a 90. I've never heard of SKC. Has anyone? thanks, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. 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Has anyone? > thanks, > Fred > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sun Jun 5 05:01:40 2005 From: Jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Jerry Guerrero) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:01:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Schwann Direct metal master Message-ID: <42A26B14.6070605@omniglobal.net> right now im listening to a direct metaL MASTER ON sCHWANN mUSIACA mUNDI OF sCHOSTAKWITSCH 14. OP. 135.I'm not a huge fan of opera,although i collect some vintage recordings.IF...i repaeat,.. "IF" i were on pure pharmeceutical grade tetrahydracannibinol(Marinol),i might find this a bit interesting...Hmmm-this is a bit interesting!,the Sony ps-4300 T.T is excellent-nicer and tottaly auto,but MAN is it LIVe..just tap it and you get a huge "THUMP".Makes me yearn for the old Dual!wow the Sony is dynamic!Imma hook up the ol RX-303 and make a nice recording..also make a good CD woth the Marantz pro recorder!! From corkflor at iol.ie Mon Jun 6 17:32:46 2005 From: corkflor at iol.ie (Alex Hurst) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:32:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calling Colin Marsh...... In-Reply-To: <61bbcf91d147531cba413421bc666567@mac.com> References: <200505240753.j4O7r0Ho006627@zxe.naks.com> <61bbcf91d147531cba413421bc666567@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi all. Does anyone know Colin's whereabouts? I've sent him a couple of private emails, but no reply so far. Maybe he's enjoying a long vacation without his Naks.... Best Alex -- Alex Hurst Waterfall Nr. Cork Ireland Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) +353 214 270 907 (W) Fax: +353 214 271 248 email: corkflor at iol.ie Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which isn't often) Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ID: 0x5BB72019 From nakamichi at ispwest.com Mon Jun 6 19:27:20 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:27:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tri-Tracer serial # Wouter please help Message-ID: <2e5a0b37b8564eee8717dd8de8f6b5c3.nakamichi@ispwest.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Hi,there!My recently acquired new Nak 1000 Tri-Tracer original model (yes,it is NEW,even smells new 30 years later) has serial # 3110448.What is the year of production?1975-76?I noticed there were several modifications of original Tri-Tracer ( not Nak 1000-2).The older models have tape selector marked "normal"& "cr02" instead of "EX" &"SX" in later models,like mine.Also Nakamichi installed new VU meters with -40 +5dB range (early models had -20+3dB).Some modifications had gold lettering on front panel,etc.Plus heads,motors &some other parts were also different.I think it is an amazing deck &still among the best Nakamichi ever produced.It is a truly purist's deck with no automatic whatsoever.It is an analog of Hasselblad 500C or Polaroid 600SE in photography.Methinks the REAL Hi-End deck has to be 100% discrete(no op-amps whatsoever) &100% manual(calibration,record head azimuth,etc.). Just like 1000!But the main strength of Tri-Tracers is their amazing musicality!It reminds me of the best valve amps like Audio Note On-Gaku.Simply terrific!Yours truly,Maksim. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 7 04:14:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 02:14:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tri-Tracer serial # Wouter please help Message-ID: Shalom Maksim! As my first Nakamichi was the 1000/2...seems me that yours is the "Latest" Mk-1 series. Concerning the "Motors"...I really don't think that was changed among the earlier or "Original" 1000 and the last issue that you acquired brand new...Bravo!!! I'm 100% sure that the 2 belts MUST be changed! Enjoy the deck...! ALEX! >From: "nakamichi at ispwest.com" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tri-Tracer serial # Wouter please help >Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:27:20 -0700 > >Hi,there!My recently acquired new Nak 1000 Tri-Tracer original model >(yes,it is >NEW,even smells new 30 years later) has serial # 3110448.What is the year >of production?1975-76?I >noticed there were several modifications of original Tri-Tracer ( not Nak >1000-2).The >older models have tape selector marked "normal"& "cr02" instead of "EX" >&"SX" in >later models,like mine.Also Nakamichi installed new VU meters with -40 +5dB >range >(early models had -20+3dB).Some modifications had gold lettering on front >panel,etc.Plus >heads,motors &some other parts were also different.I think it is an amazing >deck >&still among the best Nakamichi ever produced.It is a truly purist's deck >with no >automatic whatsoever.It is an analog of Hasselblad 500C or Polaroid 600SE >in photography.Methinks >the REAL Hi-End deck has to be 100% discrete(no op-amps whatsoever) &100% >manual(calibration,record >head azimuth,etc.). Just like 1000!But the main strength of Tri-Tracers is >their >amazing musicality!It reminds me of the best valve amps like Audio Note >On-Gaku.Simply >terrific!Yours truly,Maksim. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Jerryjg at omniglobal.net Tue Jun 7 05:07:06 2005 From: Jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Jerry Guerrero) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:07:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tri-Tracer serial # Wouter please help Message-ID: <42A50F5A.7080205@omniglobal.net> Absolutely agree that my Tri-Tracer(700) is the most valve-like sounding deck,a extreme bargain if a fine one can be located.No question this deck sounds more' euphonic' than my RX-303,my only frame of reference for a modern Nak deck.Also the build quality and reliabilty of these Tri-Tracer units is ,and sadly ,a thing of the past(what about those XLR mic. inputs!!).I like the anlogies to the Hassalblad unit,..I. own 2 poloroids,but they are the 600se models. Speaking of legendary units,I went shopping for the legendary simplistic rugged build quality of a traditional Japanese toyota truck,but the 2005 models represent a radical departure from that design philosophy. ..composite bed(what the hell happens in a fender bender when the composite panels are cracked,do you need a entire new composite bed instead of simply replacing a quarter panel??)DOHC 165 HP 16 valve engine??double wishbone suspension?? ,on a work truck.???!! NO NO NO Toyota-- gimme the ol toyota live rear axle steel bed sohc 4 cylander. This represents the wave of the future-to give the consumer more performance and hi tech features at the cost of reliability and longevity. That way consumers will need to purchase a new vehicle much sooner.If someone is considering a new basic model Japanese car , as i am now inclined to be getting,please contac( the sentra 1.8 looks nice)me offline,so we can chat. Thanks From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 7 13:52:41 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:52:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <42A50F5A.7080205@omniglobal.net> Message-ID: <000001c56b57$68a381c0$39d4883e@oemcomputer> Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the CR7 in next month's edition. They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the best sounding Nak of all time .... hmmm. I'd guess a few people around here would have a rather different point of view! Gra' > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 17:01:44 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <000001c56b57$68a381c0$39d4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050607150144.18332.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think this brings us to the point that the various 'Best Nak's ' had a very different sound. And it catered to the different tastes people have. So it becomes rather subjective, and I have a feeling this is very much a debate that will never settle-like valves vs tubes , and analogue vs digital. Perhaps by measurement we can conclude one or two decks to be the top, but ultimately, when we playback our favourite pieces, meaaurements don't seem too relevant. Kannan seems to hold the 670ZX in quite a high regard. And its easy to see why. It has a warm and very different sound that's pleasant. A joy to listen to. The 680ZX takes over from there and 'moves my coffee table' with its awesome bass. Some lesser engineered Akai reel to reels are quickly put to shame. The 600II is a two header, but those who know its sound, know its a warm sounding, really beautiful machine. Properly used, it can teach modern digital recorders some things about good sound. So such and on, every deck has its strong point. Its appericiated by some of us, who eventually become its advocates. I take this opportunity to thank all my friends here in Naktalk who have elevated all Nakamichi decks to the positions they deserve - the top. --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the > CR7 in next month's > edition. > > They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the best > sounding Nak of all time > .... hmmm. I'd guess a few people around here would > have a rather different > point of view! > > Gra' > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 17:02:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Calling Colin Marsh...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050607150237.37003.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nakamaniacs on holiday without their Naks?! Unthinkable! --- Alex Hurst wrote: > Hi all. > > Does anyone know Colin's whereabouts? > > I've sent him a couple of private emails, but no > reply so far. Maybe > he's enjoying a long vacation without his Naks.... > > Best > > Alex > -- > Alex Hurst > Waterfall > Nr. Cork > Ireland > > Tel: +353 214 543 328 (H) > +353 214 270 907 (W) > > Fax: +353 214 271 248 > email: corkflor at iol.ie > Also: corkflor.2 at virgin.net (when in the UK, which > isn't often) > Home website: http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor/ > Business website: http://www.corkflorists.com/ > > Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) public key available at: > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 > ID: 0x5BB72019 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 7 21:46:27 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:46:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tri-Tracer serial # Wouter please help In-Reply-To: <2e5a0b37b8564eee8717dd8de8f6b5c3.nakamichi@ispwest.com> References: <2e5a0b37b8564eee8717dd8de8f6b5c3.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <42A5F993.7040008@xs4all.nl> Hi Maksim, I'm afraid i can't help you. I've learned from the registered Naks from teh 1st series (mostly the early 70's) that they didn't have the production quarter/year printed on the back. What i can see is that your 1000 is the second highest serial number registered for a 1000TT. Maybe someone has to come up with a different way to 'measure' the age of these early Naks. Regards, Wouter nakamichi at ispwest.com wrote: >Hi,there!My recently acquired new Nak 1000 Tri-Tracer original model (yes,it is >NEW,even smells new 30 years later) has serial # 3110448.What is the year of production?1975-76?I >noticed there were several modifications of original Tri-Tracer ( not Nak 1000-2).The >older models have tape selector marked "normal"& "cr02" instead of "EX" &"SX" in >later models,like mine.Also Nakamichi installed new VU meters with -40 +5dB range >(early models had -20+3dB).Some modifications had gold lettering on front panel,etc.Plus >heads,motors &some other parts were also different.I think it is an amazing deck >&still among the best Nakamichi ever produced.It is a truly purist's deck with no >automatic whatsoever.It is an analog of Hasselblad 500C or Polaroid 600SE in photography.Methinks >the REAL Hi-End deck has to be 100% discrete(no op-amps whatsoever) &100% manual(calibration,record >head azimuth,etc.). Just like 1000!But the main strength of Tri-Tracers is their >amazing musicality!It reminds me of the best valve amps like Audio Note On-Gaku.Simply >terrific!Yours truly,Maksim. > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 7 19:38:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:38:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <20050607150144.18332.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c56b87$a7d2e360$44b387d9@oemcomputer> Well said! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 07 June 2005 16:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > I think this brings us to the point that the various > 'Best Nak's ' had a very different sound. And it > catered to the different tastes people have. So it > becomes rather subjective, and I have a feeling this > is very much a debate that will never settle-like > valves vs tubes , and analogue vs digital. > > Perhaps by measurement we can conclude one or two > decks to be the top, but ultimately, when we playback > our favourite pieces, meaaurements don't seem too > relevant. Kannan seems to hold the 670ZX in quite a > high regard. And its easy to see why. It has a warm > and very different sound that's pleasant. A joy to > listen to. The 680ZX takes over from there and 'moves > my coffee table' with its awesome bass. Some lesser > engineered Akai reel to reels are quickly put to > shame. The 600II is a two header, but those who know > its sound, know its a warm sounding, really beautiful > machine. Properly used, it can teach modern digital > recorders some things about good sound. > > So such and on, every deck has its strong point. Its > appericiated by some of us, who eventually become its > advocates. I take this opportunity to thank all my > friends here in Naktalk who have elevated all > Nakamichi decks to the positions they deserve - the > top. > > From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 7 22:21:39 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:21:39 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <20050607150144.18332.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c56b9e$89467cb0$e61198de@tec> Hi Bala I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 Mk I which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main operational difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a headphone socket on Mk II. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 >I think this brings us to the point that the various > 'Best Nak's ' had a very different sound. And it > catered to the different tastes people have. So it > becomes rather subjective, and I have a feeling this > is very much a debate that will never settle-like > valves vs tubes , and analogue vs digital. > > Perhaps by measurement we can conclude one or two > decks to be the top, but ultimately, when we playback > our favourite pieces, meaaurements don't seem too > relevant. Kannan seems to hold the 670ZX in quite a > high regard. And its easy to see why. It has a warm > and very different sound that's pleasant. A joy to > listen to. The 680ZX takes over from there and 'moves > my coffee table' with its awesome bass. Some lesser > engineered Akai reel to reels are quickly put to > shame. The 600II is a two header, but those who know > its sound, know its a warm sounding, really beautiful > machine. Properly used, it can teach modern digital > recorders some things about good sound. > > So such and on, every deck has its strong point. Its > appericiated by some of us, who eventually become its > advocates. I take this opportunity to thank all my > friends here in Naktalk who have elevated all > Nakamichi decks to the positions they deserve - the > top. > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > >> Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the >> CR7 in next month's >> edition. >> >> They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the best >> sounding Nak of all time >> .... hmmm. I'd guess a few people around here would >> have a rather different >> point of view! >> >> Gra' >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 01:41:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <002b01c56b9e$89467cb0$e61198de@tec> Message-ID: <20050607234120.22799.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Don, The early Naks were very musical sounding although they didn't have the refine and polish of the later decks. They were, I suspect, engineered and voiced to give the reel decks of the time a hard life. Listening to the Tri-tracer along the Teac A4300 (both 1973), its quite easy to see. The later decks took things to the next level by trying to get the maximum sound tape could offer by going for the Auto-Azimuth, Auto-Bias types of systems. Some like the relaxed sound of the older Naks, something I would love on a Sunday afternoon which potrays vocals just so beautifully. Regards Bala --- Donald Sangster wrote: > Hi Bala > > I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I > have a 600 Mk I which > was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > operational difference > between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a > headphone socket on Mk II. > > Regards > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > >I think this brings us to the point that the > various > > 'Best Nak's ' had a very different sound. And it > > catered to the different tastes people have. So it > > becomes rather subjective, and I have a feeling > this > > is very much a debate that will never settle-like > > valves vs tubes , and analogue vs digital. > > > > Perhaps by measurement we can conclude one or two > > decks to be the top, but ultimately, when we > playback > > our favourite pieces, meaaurements don't seem too > > relevant. Kannan seems to hold the 670ZX in quite > a > > high regard. And its easy to see why. It has a > warm > > and very different sound that's pleasant. A joy to > > listen to. The 680ZX takes over from there and > 'moves > > my coffee table' with its awesome bass. Some > lesser > > engineered Akai reel to reels are quickly put to > > shame. The 600II is a two header, but those who > know > > its sound, know its a warm sounding, really > beautiful > > machine. Properly used, it can teach modern > digital > > recorders some things about good sound. > > > > So such and on, every deck has its strong point. > Its > > appericiated by some of us, who eventually become > its > > advocates. I take this opportunity to thank all my > > friends here in Naktalk who have elevated all > > Nakamichi decks to the positions they deserve - > the > > top. > > > > > > > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > >> Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the > >> CR7 in next month's > >> edition. > >> > >> They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the > best > >> sounding Nak of all time > >> .... hmmm. I'd guess a few people around here > would > >> have a rather different > >> point of view! > >> > >> Gra' > >> > > >> > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > >> http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From 3ld at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 8 03:04:29 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:04:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <002b01c56b9e$89467cb0$e61198de@tec> References: <20050607150144.18332.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002b01c56b9e$89467cb0$e61198de@tec> Message-ID: <42A6441D.9070401@bellsouth.net> Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment Kermit? Atlanta Mike Donald Sangster wrote: > Hi Bala > > I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 Mk I > which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main operational > difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a headphone > socket on Mk II. > > Regards > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > >> I think this brings us to the point that the various >> 'Best Nak's ' had a very different sound. And it >> catered to the different tastes people have. So it >> becomes rather subjective, and I have a feeling this >> is very much a debate that will never settle-like >> valves vs tubes , and analogue vs digital. >> >> Perhaps by measurement we can conclude one or two >> decks to be the top, but ultimately, when we playback >> our favourite pieces, meaaurements don't seem too >> relevant. Kannan seems to hold the 670ZX in quite a >> high regard. And its easy to see why. It has a warm >> and very different sound that's pleasant. A joy to >> listen to. The 680ZX takes over from there and 'moves >> my coffee table' with its awesome bass. Some lesser >> engineered Akai reel to reels are quickly put to >> shame. The 600II is a two header, but those who know >> its sound, know its a warm sounding, really beautiful >> machine. Properly used, it can teach modern digital >> recorders some things about good sound. >> >> So such and on, every deck has its strong point. Its >> appericiated by some of us, who eventually become its >> advocates. I take this opportunity to thank all my >> friends here in Naktalk who have elevated all >> Nakamichi decks to the positions they deserve - the >> top. >> >> >> >> --- Nelson wrote: >> >>> Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the >>> CR7 in next month's >>> edition. >>> >>> They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the best >>> sounding Nak of all time >>> .... hmmm. I'd guess a few people around here would >>> have a rather different >>> point of view! >>> >>> Gra' >>> > >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Register your Nak today! >>> http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Discover Yahoo! >> Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >> http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From sie28873 at lycos.com Wed Jun 8 04:02:06 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:02:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape Message-ID: <20050608020206.DB90486B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Saw a Naks reference tape on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5780299583&rd=1 Is this price reasonable or exorbitant? Notwithstanding this, what does this tape calibrate? I have a LX5 and BX300. Robert -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jun 8 07:00:18 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:00:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7: Bala & Gra' Message-ID: That's on the button Bala and Gra' - and the smell!!!! How true - I love the smell of Nak in the morning - well anytime really. My 480Z still smells new too - as does my Alpage. They appeal to all the senses. Cheers all, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 06/07/05 07:38PM >>> Well said! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 07 June 2005 16:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > I think this brings us to the point that the various > 'Best Nak's ' had a very different sound. And it > catered to the different tastes people have. So it > becomes rather subjective, and I have a feeling this > is very much a debate that will never settle-like > valves vs tubes , and analogue vs digital. > > Perhaps by measurement we can conclude one or two > decks to be the top, but ultimately, when we playback > our favourite pieces, meaaurements don't seem too > relevant. Kannan seems to hold the 670ZX in quite a > high regard. And its easy to see why. It has a warm > and very different sound that's pleasant. A joy to > listen to. The 680ZX takes over from there and 'moves > my coffee table' with its awesome bass. Some lesser > engineered Akai reel to reels are quickly put to > shame. The 600II is a two header, but those who know > its sound, know its a warm sounding, really beautiful > machine. Properly used, it can teach modern digital > recorders some things about good sound. > > So such and on, every deck has its strong point. Its > appericiated by some of us, who eventually become its > advocates. I take this opportunity to thank all my > friends here in Naktalk who have elevated all > Nakamichi decks to the positions they deserve - the > top. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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URL: From sie28873 at lycos.com Wed Jun 8 08:57:27 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:57:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape Message-ID: <20050608065727.CB50F86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Saw a Naks reference tape for sale http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5780299583&rd=1 Is this price reasonable or exorbitant? Not withstanding this, what does it calibrate on a Nak? Own a LX-5 and BX300. Robert -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 11:04:35 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 02:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape In-Reply-To: <20050608065727.CB50F86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050608090435.54192.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I realise that every so often, tape machines need to be aligned and calibrated. Like anything else, they are instruments and need the yearly service. Those in the technical line know even a $15,000 Tek-scope will show difference if not calibrated for two years. Imagine our Naks! How possible would it be to produce alignment tapes for Naks? Regards Bala Robert Sie wrote: Saw a Naks reference tape for sale http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5780299583&rd=1 Is this price reasonable or exorbitant? Not withstanding this, what does it calibrate on a Nak? 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 12:31:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:31:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control Message-ID: Shalom Ram! To my knowledge...all Nak decks with Playback Volume...also functions as a headphone volume control! (PS.= Listen ONLY trough the deck...stereo gear OFF!) Maybe I'm wrong...recall my post...Thanks! ALEX! >From: "Ram Vemuri" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:24:33 -0700 > >Hi >Is there a cassette deck with volume control for the headphones. I was >considering getting one for using at work. Thanks! >Ram >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 8 14:21:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:21:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56c24$9ddf3280$50ab87d9@oemcomputer> Indeed. And with all the switches in place I can even listen to my tuner through headphones from my Nak with the Sugden amp turned off... Pretty handy given that my Sudgen tuners don't have a headphone socket. Gra' > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 14:50:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:50:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control Message-ID: Shalom Gra' It's 100% truth...BUT...the Source/Tape button MUST...be pressed at "Source"...so you will able ti listen your Tuner trough your deck, same your turntable, only that your preamp must be ON...selected to "Phono"...instead Tuner, (If...? all still connected trough your preamp. and NOT as you can...reconnect only your Tuner directly to REC inputs...on the deck back...I my particularly casa, I NEVER disconnect from my lovely ARC preamp...only my Dynaco power remains OFF...when I want to hear trough headphones...of course my preamp is powered ON...of course...! PS...! All the time my Dragon's remain at SOURCE...of course...with NO cassette loaded!) Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] headphone volume control >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:21:37 +0100 > >Indeed. And with all the switches in place I can even listen to my tuner >through headphones from my Nak with the Sugden amp turned off... Pretty >handy given that my Sudgen tuners don't have a headphone socket. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 16:45:27 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape In-Reply-To: <20050608065727.CB50F86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050608144527.83448.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, the price is ridiculous! The EX-II Reference tape is nothing more than a Normal Bias tape. Probably just TDK AD-X that has been tested for dropouts. When calibrating a deck is it best to use the brand and model tape that you intend to record with it (one for each of the three tape types EX, SX & ZX) the tapes to get are the DA09007 Track Alignment, DA09005 400 Hz level, DA09004 15kHz Azimuth and DA09006 3kHz Wow/Speed. I think that's all of them that are requires. At least that what I have on my desk in front of me. Scott J. --- Robert Sie wrote: > Saw a Naks reference tape for sale > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5780299583&rd=1 > > Is this price reasonable or exorbitant? > Not withstanding this, what does it calibrate on a Nak? > Own a LX-5 and BX300. > Robert > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating > sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 16:48:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: <000001c56c24$9ddf3280$50ab87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050608144858.44646.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes you can but controlling the volume usint the outpot pot. The DR10 eschews the output volume control, so the headphone amp is driven full tilt. I always thought the Nak headphone amps were a little cheesy sounding. Always better to run the whole thing into a headphones amp. --- Nelson wrote: > Indeed. And with all the switches in place I can > even listen to my tuner > through headphones from my Nak with the Sugden amp > turned off... Pretty > handy given that my Sudgen tuners don't have a > headphone socket. > > Gra' > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 8 20:29:46 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:29:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: <20050608144858.44646.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c56c58$0bf8be20$50ab87d9@oemcomputer> Have to admit, I'm not overly keen on my ZX-9 headphone o/p. Whilst I DO use it as described, it's only when the room is overly hot anyway and I don't want to add more heat from the Sugden A21! Otherwise, I much prefer the headphone o/p from the amp. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 08 June 2005 15:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] headphone volume control > > > Yes you can but controlling the volume usint the > outpot pot. The DR10 eschews the output volume > control, so the headphone amp is driven full tilt. I > always thought the Nak headphone amps were a little > cheesy sounding. Always better to run the whole thing > into a headphones amp. > > > From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 23:06:45 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:06:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control References: <20050608144858.44646.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c56c6d$faaf6180$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> I agree with Bala regarding the lacluster sound quality of the Headphone stage in Naks ( I have and use 7 Naks) or any other decks I have owned. I have mentioned it before, but I'll throw it out there again for anyone who has a little DIY fever. One of our more knowledgeable forum members...Ti Kan....has develeoped a Class A headphone amplifier design that is outstanding. It is called the M3, or M-Cubed. I have built three of them, and am working on a couple more. The output is full range, easy to listen to, and absolutely noisless. Here is a link to Ti's M3 web page where you can find out about it, and get started if you are interesrted......check out his gallery of M3 builds.....mine are listed under rjkdivin. http://www.amb.org/audio/mmm/ Robert Kent From sie28873 at lycos.com Thu Jun 9 04:47:56 2005 From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:47:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape Message-ID: <20050609024756.95E7ECA08B@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Sounds useful - How does the calibration process work? - am a green horn to the calibration process. More importantly, where would a set of these tapes (DA09007, DA09005 & DA09004) be more reasonably be obtained? Robert Yeah, the price is ridiculous! The EX-II Reference tape is nothing more than a Normal Bias tape. Probably just TDK AD-X that has been tested for dropouts. When calibrating a deck is it best to use the brand and model tape that you intend to record with it (one for each of the three tape types EX, SX & ZX) the tapes to get are the DA09007 Track Alignment, DA09005 400 Hz level, DA09004 15kHz Azimuth and DA09006 3kHz Wow/Speed. I think that's all of them that are requires. At least that what I have on my desk in front of me. Scott J. -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 18:54:16 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape In-Reply-To: <20050609024756.95E7ECA08B@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050609165416.43879.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Here are links to my web page detailing the calibration process for the 660ZX (procedure is similar for most other decks.) http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt2.html Where can you get calibration tapes reasonably? Hmmm. You can keep looking on ebay, but, they don't come up very often and they are usually get up there in price. For information on other calibration tapes you can go to my other web page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads and scroll down to "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" Enjoy. SJ --- Robert Sie wrote: > Sounds useful - How does the calibration process work? - am a green > horn to the calibration process. > More importantly, where would a set of these tapes (DA09007, > DA09005 & DA09004) be more reasonably be obtained? > > Robert > > > Yeah, the price is ridiculous! > > The EX-II Reference tape is nothing more than a Normal Bias tape. > Probably just TDK AD-X that has been tested for dropouts. > > When calibrating a deck is it best to use the brand and model tape > that you intend to record with it (one for each of the three tape > types EX, SX & ZX) > > the tapes to get are the DA09007 Track Alignment, DA09005 400 Hz > level, DA09004 15kHz Azimuth and DA09006 3kHz Wow/Speed. > > I think that's all of them that are requires. At least that what I > have on my desk in front of me. > > Scott J. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating > sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 18:55:01 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: <000601c56c6d$faaf6180$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20050609165501.10705.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Awesome! Its just the thing for the office. I was working on a 6AS7G based SET heaphones amp. Let you guys how it works out. But its as high as the 1000ZXL! Don't think too many bosses will look at the too kindly. Bala --- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > > I agree with Bala regarding the lacluster sound > quality of the Headphone > stage in Naks ( I have and use 7 Naks) or any other > decks I have owned. I > have mentioned it before, but I'll throw it out > there again for anyone who > has a little DIY fever. One of our more > knowledgeable forum members...Ti > Kan....has develeoped a Class A headphone amplifier > design that is > outstanding. It is called the M3, or M-Cubed. I > have built three of them, > and am working on a couple more. The output is full > range, easy to listen > to, and absolutely noisless. > > Here is a link to Ti's M3 web page where you can > find out about it, and get > started if you are interesrted......check out his > gallery of M3 > builds.....mine are listed under rjkdivin. > > http://www.amb.org/audio/mmm/ > > Robert Kent > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 20:29:32 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Tape In-Reply-To: <20050609165416.43879.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050609182932.75019.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, Is there an alternative to buying the real cal tapes? --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Here are links to my web page detailing the > calibration process for > the 660ZX (procedure is similar for most other > decks.) > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt2.html > > Where can you get calibration tapes reasonably? > Hmmm. You can keep > looking on ebay, but, they don't come up very often > and they are > usually get up there in price. > > For information on other calibration tapes you can > go to my other web > page > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads > and scroll down to "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" > > Enjoy. > > SJ > > --- Robert Sie wrote: > > > Sounds useful - How does the calibration process > work? - am a green > > horn to the calibration process. > > More importantly, where would a set of these tapes > (DA09007, > > DA09005 & DA09004) be more reasonably be obtained? > > > > Robert > > > > > > Yeah, the price is ridiculous! > > > > The EX-II Reference tape is nothing more than a > Normal Bias tape. > > Probably just TDK AD-X that has been tested for > dropouts. > > > > When calibrating a deck is it best to use the > brand and model tape > > that you intend to record with it (one for each of > the three tape > > types EX, SX & ZX) > > > > the tapes to get are the DA09007 Track Alignment, > DA09005 400 Hz > > level, DA09004 15kHz Azimuth and DA09006 3kHz > Wow/Speed. > > > > I think that's all of them that are requires. At > least that what I > > have on my desk in front of me. > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search > multiple dating > > sites at once. > > http://datingsearch.lycos.com > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM > and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From roleo at telus.net Thu Jun 9 20:35:41 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:35:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hot CA-7 Preamp References: <20050609165416.43879.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c56d22$0a5e6040$6401a8c0@desktop> My Nakamchi CA-7 preamp gets very warm when I am using it. There is no ventilation in the top of the unit but the solid screwed down metal plate gets very hot to the touch. Is this normal? If so, why wouldn't there be vents for this purpose? Surely such heat could not be good for the components inside. I would expect this kind of heat from an amp, but not a pre-amp. -- Roland From bassmj at adelphia.net Fri Jun 10 07:34:07 2005 From: bassmj at adelphia.net (Mike Bass) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:34:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently Message-ID: <20050610053407.RQNJ13270.mta11.adelphia.net@family> When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow for a fraction of a second. Any ideas? MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 10:55:34 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:55:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently Message-ID: Hi Mike! As I also own the same deck..I want to ask an a stupid question...what "SEEMS" you...occur every tape, no matter which brand...?, if you are 100% sure...try fist to clean the heads/capstans/rubber idler..and degauss also each 10 both sides listening or recording, How old is your deck?...to my knowledge exist an a small rubber belt that may be "Stretched"...by the years or to much use...as the deck goes inside warm after a few cassettes playing..., for that please Mike try very hard to give us more details. Be well...! ALEX! >From: "Mike Bass" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:34:07 -0400 > >When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow for a >fraction of a second. Any ideas? > > > >MB > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Fri Jun 10 21:30:25 2005 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:30:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 Message-ID: <000001c56df2$d9d056f0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Hi there, I have a problem with some switches on my ZX-9, mainly the "tape / source" switch. It is oxidised which results in signal falling back. I removed the hood, but can't reach the switch because it is blocked by a circuitboard and wires. What do I have to remove first to reach it ? Thanks in advance, Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 11 01:11:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:11:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <000001c56df2$d9d056f0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <00c801c56e11$c0bdf0e0$dbc687d9@oemcomputer> Temporary measure might be to squirt through some contact cleaner and manipulate the switch (tape-source-tape-source-tape-source) a number of times? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henk van Beek Sent: 10 June 2005 20:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 Hi there, I have a problem with some switches on my ZX-9, mainly the “tape / source” switch. It is oxidised which results in signal falling back. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 11:26:41 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:26:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Message-ID: Hi Henk! I just recall the british made superb product named "Servisol" or the german made "Kontak"...both have a "Lubrication" feature...so NOT...only will clean your dirty switch...but also will receive some kind of "Lubrication"...which I really hope that for a while will work well! Post us the results...please! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:11:37 +0100 > >Temporary measure might be to squirt through some contact cleaner and >manipulate the switch (tape-source-tape-source-tape-source) a number of >times? > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Henk van Beek > Sent: 10 June 2005 20:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 > > > Hi there, > > > > I have a problem with some switches on my ZX-9, mainly the �tape / >source� >switch. > > It is oxidised which results in signal falling back. > > I removed the hood, but can�t reach the switch because it is blocked by >a >circuitboard and wires. > > What do I have to remove first to reach it ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Henk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======== From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Sat Jun 11 16:22:27 2005 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:22:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 Message-ID: <000001c56e90$ff02d990$bb7ba8c0@HENK> That's just the problem. I can't reach the switch with straw of the spraying agent. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sat Jun 11 18:11:04 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:11:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050611121007.059d2a40@127.0.0.1> I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You will see (currently) three Naks in there... http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Cheers, Richard From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jun 11 20:44:20 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:44:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050611121007.059d2a40@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050611144340.01799148@pop.east.cox.net> Dang Richard!! There ya go makin' us po' f'lk feelin' mo' po' What a lovely studio!!! At 12:11 PM 6/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You >will see (currently) three Naks in there... > >http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > >Cheers, > >Richard > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sat Jun 11 21:45:22 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:45:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work Message-ID: <000101c56ec7$6de5c850$0891a20c@guerrero> Thanks for the peek at your Studio Richard.It's categorically phantasmagorical! I would simply die-literally- to have some of the componentry in the pictures! I hope to post some pics of my modest lil rack of gear,which aspires to greatness but falls far short.Nevertheless it is a lot of fun,and has many of the capabilities of yours,of course much less sophisticated.Great to see the Naks have their rightfull place among the worlds elite studio gear! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 12 00:13:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:13:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050611121007.059d2a40@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000801c56ed2$c5bccf00$929587d9@oemcomputer> Very nice, Richard! BTW, it isn't you who has the missing DianaGate tapes, is it?!! <> Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: 11 June 2005 17:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work > > > I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer > studio. You will > see (currently) three Naks in there... > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > Cheers, > > Richard > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 10:29:10 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <000101c56ec7$6de5c850$0891a20c@guerrero> Message-ID: <20050612082910.16727.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The layout is superb, and much better then the old setup. And the Sony W33? :) I agree they are great sounding, after the tweaks and upgrades. Fanstastic job Richard, and yes I agree- Its great to see Naks have their right place among the elite studio equipment. They so rightfully belong there. Bala --- Gerald Guerrero wrote: > Thanks for the peek at your Studio Richard.It's > categorically phantasmagorical! I would simply > die-literally- to have some of the componentry in > the pictures! I hope to post some pics of my modest > lil rack of gear,which aspires to greatness but > falls far short.Nevertheless it is a lot of fun,and > has many of the capabilities of yours,of course much > less sophisticated.Great to see the Naks have their > rightfull place among the worlds elite studio gear!> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jun 12 12:53:12 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:53:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0A3C7932@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Far out! That's how I'd love to setup my room. That looks sooo great Richard. Way to go! Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess Sent: Sunday, 12 June 2005 2:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You will see (currently) three Naks in there... http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Cheers, Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jun 12 12:58:42 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:58:42 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0A3C7933@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> No worries Henk. I've worked on my ZX9 several time and what want to do will need the front panel removed. The switch block is held in with several screws behind the front panel unfortunately and this is the only way you can get to those switches. Take the surrounding screws off the front panel and also the fron knobs, place all the knobs and screws in a safe place and gently wiggle the front panel until it slides out - Oh and dont forget to pop off the front door too! Be careful of the manual azimuth control because attached is the azimuth guide cable that goes to the record head on your deck - you don't want to damage that. When the front cover is off you can see the screws that hold in the switch block, remove these and you will be able to get to the offending switch. Hope this helps. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Henk van Beek Sent: Sunday, 12 June 2005 12:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidised switches on ZX-9 That's just the problem. 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Hess) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:05:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <000801c56ed2$c5bccf00$929587d9@oemcomputer> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050611121007.059d2a40@127.0.0.1> <000801c56ed2$c5bccf00$929587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050612090008.03ff95b0@127.0.0.1> Thanks to all for the generous and kind comments. It was fun (but hectic) to build. A great local handyman and I both pushed ourselves to our current limits (less in our mid-50s than in our 20s ) to get it DONE! And, Gra', nope, the tapes were brought to me, I was watched when I did the transfers, and the tapes and the CD transfers left. The CDR-W33s were used for that project, and they're there temporarily to finish a project that was quoted and expected to be done with that workflow. The balance of the work I do is straight into the computer. Most music tapes get transferred at 88.2/24 these days. The MR-1 is there as a record machine for this project: Original 3.75 in/s 2-track mono tape generates two master CDs, a full-track reel, and a cassette. I clone one of the CDs to make a listening copy. I didn't mention my redundant 1TB stores. One is about to be located in my neighbour's home. I just got the fiber optic cable (we live in a lightning-prone area). Cheers, Richard At 06:13 PM 6/11/2005, Nelson wrote: >Very nice, Richard! > >BTW, it isn't you who has the missing DianaGate tapes, is it?!! <> > >Gra' > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jun 12 15:10:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:10:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently Message-ID: Hi Mike! I'm very glad..that all came back as must be! However..., DON'T forget to degauss the heads and all near it after been playing/recording 10 both sides 90 minutes length cassettes! Happy Listening! ALEX! >From: "Mike Bass" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:39:33 -0400 > >After cleaning the tape path with American Recorder S-721H problem solved. > > > >Thanks!! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 12 17:04:22 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:04:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050612090008.03ff95b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <002201c56f60$03d71ce0$d6884c51@oemcomputer> Hi Richard Ah, no - there are some OTHER tapes that Diana was supposed to have made that are still "missing" - it was to those that I referred. Gra' From rhiohki at hotmail.com Sun Jun 12 18:07:14 2005 From: rhiohki at hotmail.com (Fadl Abideen) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:07:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Where can I get a manual for my NAK (OMS-7A MK II)? Message-ID: Hey there. I apologize if this type of question has been asked before, as I'm sure it has. I recently acquired some Nak gear and I would love to get the owner's manual for them. The piece of eqipment I am particularly interested in is the Nakamichi OMS-7A MKII Cd player owner's manual. If anyone has the owner's manual for the above player and would be interested in giving me a copy just let me know. Not sure what I can offer in return, but just name your terms I suppose. Also, if anyone knows a site where I can download the manual, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for al the hellp From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 19:46:04 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050612090008.03ff95b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20050612174604.6649.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard, So the W33s leave after the project? I love them because they make warm and really nice sounding discs. They dont make great players though. B --- "Richard L. Hess" wrote: > Thanks to all for the generous and kind comments. It > was fun (but hectic) > to build. A great local handyman and I both pushed > ourselves to our current > limits (less in our mid-50s than in our 20s ) > to get it DONE! > > And, Gra', nope, the tapes were brought to me, I was > watched when I did the > transfers, and the tapes and the CD transfers left. > > The CDR-W33s were used for that project, and they're > there temporarily to > finish a project that was quoted and expected to be > done with that > workflow. The balance of the work I do is straight > into the computer. Most > music tapes get transferred at 88.2/24 these days. > > The MR-1 is there as a record machine for this > project: Original 3.75 in/s > 2-track mono tape generates two master CDs, a > full-track reel, and a > cassette. I clone one of the CDs to make a listening > copy. > > I didn't mention my redundant 1TB stores. One is > about to be located in my > neighbour's home. I just got the fiber optic cable > (we live in a > lightning-prone area). > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > At 06:13 PM 6/11/2005, Nelson wrote: > >Very nice, Richard! > > > >BTW, it isn't you who has the missing DianaGate > tapes, is it?!! <> > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flifton at mac.com Sun Jun 12 20:06:08 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:06:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <200506121000.j5CA03e3031783@zxe.naks.com> References: <200506121000.j5CA03e3031783@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? Looking forward to hearing from the brain-trust... cheers, Fred > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" > Date: June 11, 2005 9:11:04 AM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You > will see (currently) three Naks in there... > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > From: roland > Date: June 11, 2005 11:44:20 AM PDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Dang Richard!! There ya go makin' us po' f'lk feelin' mo' po' > > What a lovely studio!!! > > > At 12:11 PM 6/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. >> You will see (currently) three Naks in there... >> >> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >> >> Cheers, >> >> Richard >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2612 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sun Jun 12 21:05:37 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:05:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <20050612174604.6649.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050612090008.03ff95b0@127.0.0.1> <20050612174604.6649.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050612150053.03fb0690@127.0.0.1> Probably--after several years, the workflow really seems best going directly to PC--that is after I upgraded from W98SE and a 333MHz machine to a 2.4GHz and now a 3.0GHz Hyper-threaded XP machine. There was the odd "Bill Gates Moment" with the 333MHz machine. I haven't had one with the 3.0GHz machine, and it's been stripped down to be just an audio box. The W33s go on the shelf for field recording and/or other projects--or the day I need to send a W33 and a Dragon and 200 cassettes to someone's house and say "here--I'll pay you to play these..." I didn't want to put the wear on a Dragon to record tapes for this client, so that's why the MR-1. It, too, will go back in storage. In fact, at the end of this one project, there are no immediate plans for that real estate to the left of the monitors. I think the office organizer and a few things might get off the Dragons and migrate there--at least until something else comes up. The spare shelf over the APR-16 is the same way, though my ADAT XT20 would go there should I need to use it and connect into the RME Multiface via LightPipe. Well, if the tapes do come to light, hopefully someone will remember to call me to transfer them. The Dragon did a good job and then Algorithmix and Diamond Cut did a good job of cleaning them up. Cheers, Richard At 01:46 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi Richard, > > So the W33s leave after the project? I love them >because they make warm and really nice sounding >discs. They dont make great players though. > >B From rjkent at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 21:13:49 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:13:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape to Computer References: <200506121000.j5CA03e3031783@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001f01c56f82$ddd591c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey Fred, I went through this same set-up process a few years ago. I think the best way to do it at reasonable cost is to get a decent D/A A/D soundcard interface. I went with a TerraTec DMX 6Fire that is quite satisfactory. It can hook all your components to your computer for two way transfer of files....analog and digital. It also has a built in Phono Stage with RIAA equalization so you can archive your vinyls also. They now have a USB version. Check out this source at JD Sound: http://www.jdsound.com/store/product1.asp?CustomerID=405497&ACBSessionID=y2GBoHWkN4yGZTxxmFmF&SID=2&Product_ID=3579 Then you also need some decent editing and/or burning software. I use Cool Edit, but there are a number of good ones. Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? 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In fact, you'll notice a lack of outboard analog (or digital) signal processing gear. Cheers, Richard At 02:06 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: >That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my >wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. > >It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home >recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and >onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my >computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm >guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I >relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? > >Looking forward to hearing from the brain-trust... > >cheers, >Fred > > >> >>From: "Richard L. Hess" >>Date: June 11, 2005 9:11:04 AM PDT >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You >>will see (currently) three Naks in there... >> >>http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >> >>Cheers, >> >>Richard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>From: roland >>Date: June 11, 2005 11:44:20 AM PDT >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>Dang Richard!! There ya go makin' us po' f'lk feelin' mo' po' >> >>What a lovely studio!!! >> >> >>At 12:11 PM 6/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>>I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. 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I recently acquired some Nak gear and I would love to get > the owner's manual for them. > > The piece of eqipment I am particularly interested in is the Nakamichi > OMS-7A MKII Cd player owner's manual. If anyone has the owner's manual for > the above player and would be interested in giving me a copy just let me > know. Not sure what I can offer in return, but just name your terms I > suppose. Also, if anyone knows a site where I can download the manual, I > would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks for al the hellp > From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 19:15:53 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:15:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required Message-ID: Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am slowly but surely transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My current tape deck has been playing up recently (Technics RS-BX501, 1998 model), so I want to get hold of another tape deck that will give good playback response. I have seen a BX-2 for sale recently and wondering whether it is worth getting. However, I have read something about tape incompatibilities with Nakamichi tape decks and I wonder whether this would be a problem. My tapes were all recorded on some cheapish tape decks (a Pioneer CT570[?] and Technics TR-???) during the late 1980's & early 1990's. The quality on them is not brilliant, but it's not terrible by any measure, and they are all recordings of FM radio transmissions. Can anyone advise me on this please? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 13 07:46:00 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:46:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AD1D98.2010808@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ram, Ram Vemuri wrote: > Is there a cassette deck with volume control for the headphones. I was > considering getting one for using at work. Thanks! The Nak 600-II has a volume control for the headphones. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 13 07:49:59 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:49:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: <20050609165501.10705.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050609165501.10705.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42AD1E87.3080502@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Awesome! Its just the thing for the office. I was > working on a 6AS7G based SET heaphones amp. Let you > guys how it works out. But its as high as the 1000ZXL! > Don't think too many bosses will look at the too > kindly. Personal opinion, you'd be better off making a transformer-coupled headphone amp using your choice of 6SN7 (one of my current projects), 6CG7 (miniature version of the 6SN7), or 6BBQ5/EL84. 6AS7G just doesn't sound that good and I've had bad experiences with OTL amps. I had a NYAL-made OTL Futterman amp once, and it was a nightmare to keep running! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 13 07:58:10 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:58:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <42A6441D.9070401@bellsouth.net> References: <20050607150144.18332.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002b01c56b9e$89467cb0$e61198de@tec> <42A6441D.9070401@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <42AD2072.9020806@woods-and-waters.com> Hi guys, Michael Moore wrote: > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment Kermit? > Atlanta Mike > > Donald Sangster wrote: > >> Hi Bala >> >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 Mk I >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main operational >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a headphone >> socket on Mk II. The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion during record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad trade. Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 models. The IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality reminiscent of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a recording, if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, like really, really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and macrodynamics of reel-to-reels or live events. Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly superior to other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other superdecks, the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all times -- which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot be tweaked by the user or by built-in automation. A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 13 08:57:02 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:57:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I'm celebrating! Message-ID: <42AD2E3E.2090504@woods-and-waters.com> Join in! After months of painstaking work, and after getting by with a litle help from my friends (apologies for the song reference -- occupational hazard) at Naktalk, I've finally gotten my Nak 600-II working once again! All it needs it to be calibrated and it will be perfect! Special thanks to Joel Herda, Mike Moore, Scott Johnson, David Thompson, Bob Lai, Gra' Nelson... and of course, to Wouter Heijke for the list! As some of you know, my most favorite of all my studio rigs was my Nakamichi 600-II, fed by a 610 mixer/preamp and a set of three matched AKG D200E mics. It was my first successful studio, and I enjoyed many hours of absolute recording bliss making band demos and even a few audiophile-like live master tapes. Of all my recording setups, I had the most fun with this one and enjoyed it the most. Sure, arguably some of my other rigs were "better" but my 600-II and 610 were the tops, fun-wise. Also finally restored is my Ampex 602 reel-to-reel. Interestingly, it and the Nak 600-II have similar sonic qualities. While the Nak 600-II was my most fun recorder, I've made more money over the years with my Ampex 602 than any of my other recorders. Yes, even though it's only monaural, it's been my most-profitable recorder. Special thanks to Larry Miller, Howard Sanner and the Ampex List. And finally, my Uher 4400 Report Stereo is restored and back to full health, with special thanks to Saul Mineroff; and my Wollensak 2551AV is now working as well, with special thanks to John Eider. Now all that needs to be fixed are my Nak 581 and BX-2, SAE C3A, Pioneer CT-F7171, and my Pioneer RT-1011L, Magnecorder PT-63, Uher 1000 Report Pilot and Akai M8 reel-to-reels. Then, at long last, all my recorders will be working. May the good sounds be yours! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From olaf at expansions.nl Mon Jun 13 10:06:13 2005 From: olaf at expansions.nl (olaf at expansions.nl) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:06:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work References: <200506121000.j5CA03e3031783@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050612151245.07ca0610@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <00fd01c56fee$c4545d50$0100a8c0@olaf> imho the best medium/budget range soundcards are currently the EMU range....if you can try the 1212m, otherwise the cheaper 0404 ... the -m series have better convertors...... sometimes the EMU drivers give problems on certain configurations, for an alternative you can check out the m-audio audiophile2496 soundcard..also very nice! Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard L. Hess To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work I'd get something like Digital Audio Lab's Card Deluxe Go look at the sound cards at PCAVTECH.com Get one of the "gold-rated" ones and plug your Nak into it. You're done. I sung the praises of Magix's Audio Cleaning Lab recently -- it's a bargain. It's 5% of the price of the high-end Magix stuff and does about 50% of what the high end stuff does. In fact, that jackfield in my studio basically connects the player to the A-to-D converter and I'm done. Some of my colleagues send everything through a mixer. I don't. In fact, you'll notice a lack of outboard analog (or digital) signal processing gear. Cheers, Richard At 02:06 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? Looking forward to hearing from the brain-trust... cheers, Fred From: "Richard L. Hess" Date: June 11, 2005 9:11:04 AM PDT To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You will see (currently) three Naks in there... http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Cheers, Richard From: roland Date: June 11, 2005 11:44:20 AM PDT To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Dang Richard!! There ya go makin' us po' f'lk feelin' mo' po' What a lovely studio!!! At 12:11 PM 6/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer studio. You will see (currently) three Naks in there... http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Cheers, Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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Ti Kan and I have been comparing performance between his M-Audio Transit (external USB) and My DMX-6Fire (internal IDE). The results indicate that it is definitely better to use an external unit. The noise on the soundcard mounted inside the computer is dramatically higher than the external units. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_transit_v_dmx.htm I would definitely recommend an external USB, or better yet, firewire connected unit. M-Audio has both: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.family Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Tape to Computer Hey Fred, I went through this same set-up process a few years ago. I think the best way to do it at reasonable cost is to get a decent D/A A/D soundcard interface. I went with a TerraTec DMX 6Fire that is quite satisfactory. It can hook all your components to your computer for two way transfer of files....analog and digital. It also has a built in Phono Stage with RIAA equalization so you can archive your vinyls also. They now have a USB version. Check out this source at JD Sound: http://www.jdsound.com/store/product1.asp?CustomerID=405497&ACBSessionID=y2GBoHWkN4yGZTxxmFmF&SID=2&Product_ID=3579 Then you also need some decent editing and/or burning software. I use Cool Edit, but there are a number of good ones. Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? Looking forward to hearing from the brain-trust... cheers, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Mon Jun 13 22:47:37 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:47:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required Message-ID: <13c.15394bfb.2fdf4ae9@aol.com> If the Technics was adequate for playback why not get another? If you seek a Nak I would suggest a Dragon or CR7 for their azimuth adjustability. I don't think you'll be happy with a BX2, I've got oneand older tapes don't sound the same. Good luck, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I have read something about tape incompatibilities with >Nakamichi tape decks and I wonder whether this would be a problem. > >My tapes were all recorded on some cheapish tape decks (a Pioneer CT570[?] >and Technics TR-???) during the late 1980's & early 1990's. The quality on >them is not brilliant, but it's not terrible by any measure, and they are >all recordings of FM radio transmissions. Can anyone advise me on this >please? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marlin at amerion.com Tue Jun 14 06:06:25 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:06:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Message-ID: <01c101c57096$6fbfe720$edc93442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello- I love the site,I have 4 700's.How does one submit tech question? Best! Great site!!! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 14 22:18:32 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:18:32 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control References: <42AD1D98.2010808@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <004001c5711e$3ca23c70$5c4398de@tec> Hi Ram A nak 600 II would be nice but takes up lots of room at work, and really should be playing back through a decent amp and speakers. Why not just a decent walkman like a Sony model 6 or the old one I have - Aiwa something or other that recorded and also has a half way decent FM tuner? Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Ram Vemuri" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] headphone volume control > Hi Ram, > > Ram Vemuri wrote: > >> Is there a cassette deck with volume control for the headphones. I was >> considering getting one for using at work. Thanks! > > The Nak 600-II has a volume control for the headphones. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Wed Jun 15 00:13:52 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? Message-ID: Anyone have a suggestion for a parts source for a Teac X-1000R reel? Mine needs two switches; the reel size switch, and the tape speed switch. Both are PCB-mounted 4PDT switches, and both have lost the ability to latch into place. The switches are identical, and they were listed on the parts list as either individual switches or as the speed switch subassembly. Apparently these were problematic, as they are unavailable from Teac. At this point, they don't have to even be the original switches (although that would be ideal). I'd even considered building a new PCB with 4PDT relays and a SPDT switch to control them, since these parts seem to be easier to find. But, if I could find these parts, I could fix it in an evening of disassembling and soldering. Otherwise, I have to remove the back panel and case, and stick jumper wires on the connectors to change the speed from 3-3/4 to 7-1/2. Anyone have a pointer to a repair shop that might have done repairs on these, and that might have a parts deck or spares? From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 00:52:22 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work In-Reply-To: <00fd01c56fee$c4545d50$0100a8c0@olaf> Message-ID: <20050614225222.53538.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> I just bought a EMU-0404 basically for the coaxial digital in. I'm sure the A-D converters are great, but, I use my pro DAT as the A-D converter. When I transfer from tape I go from the XLR outputs of my Nak MR-1 into the DAT XLR ins. This setup works great for me. I especially love the VU meters on the DAT. They have very fast response, peak hold AND there is a display on the side telling me how much margin I have from highest peak. The VU meters on the computer are a joke, adusting input level using the mouse may work, but, I like knobs. SJ --- olaf at expansions.nl wrote: > imho the best medium/budget range soundcards are currently the EMU > range....if you can try the 1212m, otherwise the cheaper 0404 ... > the -m series have better convertors...... sometimes the EMU > drivers give problems on certain configurations, for an alternative > you can check out the m-audio audiophile2496 soundcard..also very > nice! > > Olaf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard L. Hess > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at > work > > > I'd get something like Digital Audio Lab's Card Deluxe > > Go look at the sound cards at PCAVTECH.com > > Get one of the "gold-rated" ones and plug your Nak into it. > You're done. > > I sung the praises of Magix's Audio Cleaning Lab recently -- it's > a bargain. It's 5% of the price of the high-end Magix stuff and > does about 50% of what the high end stuff does. > > In fact, that jackfield in my studio basically connects the > player to the A-to-D converter and I'm done. Some of my colleagues > send everything through a mixer. I don't. In fact, you'll notice a > lack of outboard analog (or digital) signal processing gear. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > At 02:06 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: > > That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to > show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. > > It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for > the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get > stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the > line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to > capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding > way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound > card to do the reverse DAC? > > Looking forward to hearing from the brain-trust... > > cheers, > Fred > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" > Date: June 11, 2005 9:11:04 AM PDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer > studio. You will see (currently) three Naks in there... > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > From: roland > Date: June 11, 2005 11:44:20 AM PDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new transfer studio - some NAKs at > work > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Dang Richard!! There ya go makin' us po' f'lk feelin' mo' > po' > > What a lovely studio!!! > > > At 12:11 PM 6/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > I thought you folks might like to see my new tape transfer > studio. You will see (currently) three Naks in there... > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 15 01:31:55 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:31:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] headphone volume control In-Reply-To: <004001c5711e$3ca23c70$5c4398de@tec> References: <42AD1D98.2010808@woods-and-waters.com> <004001c5711e$3ca23c70$5c4398de@tec> Message-ID: <42AF68EB.6000105@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Donald, Donald Sangster wrote: > Hi Ram > > A nak 600 II would be nice but takes up lots of room at work, and really > should be playing back through a decent amp and speakers. Why not just a > decent walkman like a Sony model 6 or the old one I have - Aiwa > something or other that recorded and also has a half way decent FM tuner? > All very true, and very practical. No doubt. But you have to admit, the ski slope style 600-II has a "cool factor" that no Walk-entity player will ever have. Quite a few cassette decks have volume controls, all the way from prosaic Pioneer CT-F7171 front loaders, to Nak 500, 550 and 600-II, up to high-end models like the Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000 or the Revox B710. Ok, so the latter two are too bulky for an office cubicle. For me at least, I'd need my cassette deck at work to have studio sound and cool factor. Just isn't done for a pro audio guy to be seen sitting at a desk listening to a mere Walkman, like everyone else has, right? So, put a 600-II on your desk and your co-workers KNOW that you appreciate great sound. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > To: "Ram Vemuri" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] headphone volume control > > >> Hi Ram, >> >> Ram Vemuri wrote: >> >>> Is there a cassette deck with volume control for the headphones. I >>> was considering getting one for using at work. Thanks! >> >> >> The Nak 600-II has a volume control for the headphones. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA >> 816-918-5058 cellphone >> 913-422-0957 business >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jochi at qwest.net Wed Jun 15 02:48:08 2005 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:48:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <20050607150144.18332.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002b01c56b9e$89467cb0$e61198de@tec><42A6441D.9070401@bellsouth.net> <42AD2072.9020806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000c01c57143$e674f7e0$0500000a@uswest.net> Kermit or anyone else, I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 Naks and IEC2 Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some examples of IEC2 Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information as to whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? Thanks for any info. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > Hi guys, > > Michael Moore wrote: > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment Kermit? > > Atlanta Mike > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > >> Hi Bala > >> > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 Mk I > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main operational > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a headphone > >> socket on Mk II. > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion during > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad trade. > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 models. The > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality reminiscent > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a recording, > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, like really, > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and macrodynamics > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly superior to > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other superdecks, > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all times -- > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot be tweaked > by the user or by built-in automation. > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 05:59:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050615035931.70944.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats Alex, speaking with all his experiences with top quality Naks! Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Mr.. Wilson! You need a Nak "DRAGON"...because his automatic azimuth calibration...will deliver the maximum results from your oldies tapes! Looking for some cheaper line from Nak...is a waste of time & money! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: "Ornette Wilson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:15:53 +0000 > >Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am slowly but surely >transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My current tape deck has >been playing up recently (Technics RS-BX501, 1998 model), so I want to get >hold of another tape deck that will give good playback response. > >I have seen a BX-2 for sale recently and wondering whether it is worth >getting. However, I have read something about tape incompatibilities with >Nakamichi tape decks and I wonder whether this would be a problem. > >My tapes were all recorded on some cheapish tape decks (a Pioneer CT570[?] >and Technics TR-???) during the late 1980's & early 1990's. The quality on >them is not brilliant, but it's not terrible by any measure, and they are >all recordings of FM radio transmissions. Can anyone advise me on this >please? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 06:12:08 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'm celebrating! In-Reply-To: <42AD2E3E.2090504@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050615041208.75899.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its so good to hear when most if not all your equipment is on-line again. Its just pure bliss when you look at your room of equipment and know you can just pull anyone out and it works perfectly. Especially when we are accustomed to looking at the gear and realize that few if any, is actually working-let alone do serious work with it. Good Luck Kermit! "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Join in! After months of painstaking work, and after getting by with a litle help from my friends (apologies for the song reference -- occupational hazard) at Naktalk, I've finally gotten my Nak 600-II working once again! All it needs it to be calibrated and it will be perfect! Special thanks to Joel Herda, Mike Moore, Scott Johnson, David Thompson, Bob Lai, Gra' Nelson... and of course, to Wouter Heijke for the list! As some of you know, my most favorite of all my studio rigs was my Nakamichi 600-II, fed by a 610 mixer/preamp and a set of three matched AKG D200E mics. It was my first successful studio, and I enjoyed many hours of absolute recording bliss making band demos and even a few audiophile-like live master tapes. Of all my recording setups, I had the most fun with this one and enjoyed it the most. Sure, arguably some of my other rigs were "better" but my 600-II and 610 were the tops, fun-wise. Also finally restored is my Ampex 602 reel-to-reel. Interestingly, it and the Nak 600-II have similar sonic qualities. While the Nak 600-II was my most fun recorder, I've made more money over the years with my Ampex 602 than any of my other recorders. Yes, even though it's only monaural, it's been my most-profitable recorder. Special thanks to Larry Miller, Howard Sanner and the Ampex List. And finally, my Uher 4400 Report Stereo is restored and back to full health, with special thanks to Saul Mineroff; and my Wollensak 2551AV is now working as well, with special thanks to John Eider. Now all that needs to be fixed are my Nak 581 and BX-2, SAE C3A, Pioneer CT-F7171, and my Pioneer RT-1011L, Magnecorder PT-63, Uher 1000 Report Pilot and Akai M8 reel-to-reels. Then, at long last, all my recorders will be working. May the good sounds be yours! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ack at skylee.com Wed Jun 15 07:05:00 2005 From: ack at skylee.com (Arthur C. Kyle) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:05:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you for helping me resurrect a CR-2A Message-ID: I was the disappointed owner of a D.O.A. CR-2A I bought from someone on Audiogon, my first Nak... He kept the shipping fee and refunded me the cost of the machine itself. (This was after he reneged on two make-good proposals followed by veiled accusations that I was cheating him, so I very much wanted to turn the $30 paperweight into a working deck if possible. But that's neither here nor there.) I found the naktalk list, searched the archives, and found someone with very similar symptoms as me last April: when I pressed Play, the button light glowed briefly but the heads did not move up. The tape advanced slightly with each press of the Play button but then stopped. Nothing happened when I pressed the FF or REW buttons. Another motor, the one which rotates a drive belt which in turn rotates a pin against the capstan, did turn for a few seconds longer, but then also stopped. Forgive me if you've heard all this before. I bought the appropriate CAIG product from Radio Shack last weekend and followed the advice to clean the "cam motor" and switches. It took a while to figure out the three switches which control the FF, REW, and Play function, but when I eventually peeked between their arms I was almost shocked at how black they were on their facing surfaces. I carefully swabbed between them with a fine, soft brush, and after some touch-and-go moments the deck now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds! It doesn't like starting again after pausing and it sometimes clicks a few times and stops when I first play a tape, but otherwise it works great. I just wanted to express my appreciation for all your expertise. I am sure that someone has been inside it before, as the rear middle screw that holds the cover on was missing, but I can't see any obvious alterations. This raises one remaining question I have: is there any maintenance I could or should perform on this? I bought it to digitize in some old tapes I have, nothing fancy. Again, I very much appreciate the information I've found here so far, and as a new Nak owner I'm sure I will be a happy lurker for some time to come. --Arthur From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 07:31:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <42AD2072.9020806@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050615053120.1880.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Here is precisely what I am talking about. From Kermit's comments, you can see how well he appreciates the deck, and appreciates its qualities. So much like that, we all have our decks which we admire and would stand out a little further then the other decks. Thats what I summise from having talked to the folks here. Bala Ganesh "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi guys, Michael Moore wrote: > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment Kermit? > Atlanta Mike > > Donald Sangster wrote: > >> Hi Bala >> >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 Mk I >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main operational >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a headphone >> socket on Mk II. The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion during record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad trade. Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 models. The IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality reminiscent of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a recording, if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, like really, really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and macrodynamics of reel-to-reels or live events. Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly superior to other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other superdecks, the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all times -- which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot be tweaked by the user or by built-in automation. A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 08:33:08 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape to Computer In-Reply-To: <002401c57023$fe31f3e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20050615063308.56209.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I built my own audio workstation around a Terratec soundcard, shielded all the ribbon and power cables, wires routed neatly, drives mounted on shock abosorbers, spikes under the case and so on. It uses my Sony 555ES mdplayer bridged in A-D / D-A mode as a outboard converter. So the internal converters are not used. Initially it ran Windows with Cool Edit. It sounded quite good. Until, I turned on my Nak 670ZX. No fight. Didn't even bother with the 680ZX. I have switched to Linux and Audacity, Jack and Rosegarden. Sounds much better, and has not crashed on me despite a full year of use. Despite the most careful setup, tweaking and use, my Revox reel to reel beats the setup. I still dont understand why would anyone want to spend all that money and time to get a digital setup, transfer wholesome analogue goodness into MP3 (mediocre player?). A reel to reel deck with a bunch of tapes is so much cheaper, easier on the years and learning curve. Bala 79 Labs rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Fred, Some more data on computer interface. Ti Kan and I have been comparing performance between his M-Audio Transit (external USB) and My DMX-6Fire (internal IDE). The results indicate that it is definitely better to use an external unit. The noise on the soundcard mounted inside the computer is dramatically higher than the external units. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_transit_v_dmx.htm I would definitely recommend an external USB, or better yet, firewire connected unit. M-Audio has both: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.family Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Tape to Computer Hey Fred, I went through this same set-up process a few years ago. I think the best way to do it at reasonable cost is to get a decent D/A A/D soundcard interface. I went with a TerraTec DMX 6Fire that is quite satisfactory. It can hook all your components to your computer for two way transfer of files....analog and digital. It also has a built in Phono Stage with RIAA equalization so you can archive your vinyls also. They now have a USB version. Check out this source at JD Sound: http://www.jdsound.com/store/product1.asp?CustomerID=405497&ACBSessionID=y2GBoHWkN4yGZTxxmFmF&SID=2&Product_ID=3579 Then you also need some decent editing and/or burning software. I use Cool Edit, but there are a number of good ones. Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? 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URL: From olaf at expansions.nl Wed Jun 15 10:13:41 2005 From: olaf at expansions.nl (olaf at expansions.nl) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:13:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape to Computer References: <002401c57023$fe31f3e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <004201c57182$24f72130$0100a8c0@olaf> this is not true anymore...the modern soundcard designs can be so very well shielded that they have better S/N ratios than external breakout boxes....f.e. the LYNX soundcard series are well known for this.. Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape to Computer Fred, Some more data on computer interface. Ti Kan and I have been comparing performance between his M-Audio Transit (external USB) and My DMX-6Fire (internal IDE). The results indicate that it is definitely better to use an external unit. The noise on the soundcard mounted inside the computer is dramatically higher than the external units. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_transit_v_dmx.htm I would definitely recommend an external USB, or better yet, firewire connected unit. M-Audio has both: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.family Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Tape to Computer Hey Fred, I went through this same set-up process a few years ago. I think the best way to do it at reasonable cost is to get a decent D/A A/D soundcard interface. I went with a TerraTec DMX 6Fire that is quite satisfactory. It can hook all your components to your computer for two way transfer of files....analog and digital. It also has a built in Phono Stage with RIAA equalization so you can archive your vinyls also. They now have a USB version. Check out this source at JD Sound: http://www.jdsound.com/store/product1.asp?CustomerID=405497&ACBSessionID=y2GBoHWkN4yGZTxxmFmF&SID=2&Product_ID=3579 Then you also need some decent editing and/or burning software. I use Cool Edit, but there are a number of good ones. Robert Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new transfer studio - some NAKs at work That's an impressive set-up, no doubt. Now I have something to show my wife when she thinks I'm going overboard with gear. It also makes me think of a question. What's the best way (for the home recordist, not people with Richard-grade gear) to get stuff off tape and onto CD. I can plug my Nak directly into the line-level input on my computer and use Amadeus (or whatever) to capture the audio. But I'm guessing this is not the best sounding way to go. For starters, aren't I relying on the built-in sound card to do the reverse DAC? Looking forward to hearing from the brain-trust... cheers, Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hth at gforcecable.com Wed Jun 15 15:51:12 2005 From: hth at gforcecable.com (Hugh Harwood) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:51:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels Message-ID: <20050615135120.7793B1FAA16@mxo3.broadbandsupport.net> Would it be considered a fault to have different recording levels for the right and left channels on my LX-3? The right channel level needs to be raised about one graduation on the knob to equal the recording level on the left channel. If this is a problem, what causes it and what can be done to fix it? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MonahansPipes at aol.com Thu Jun 16 00:56:35 2005 From: MonahansPipes at aol.com (MonahansPipes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:56:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? Message-ID: <202.3ba74d8.2fe20c23@aol.com> After being in the Hi-Fi industry for years you have to know when to quit and unforntunatly it appears time. There are other media that you can purchase and fulfill the spot. good luck dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MonahansPipes at aol.com Thu Jun 16 13:16:05 2005 From: MonahansPipes at aol.com (MonahansPipes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:16:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels Message-ID: <42.6b4fb84f.2fe2b975@aol.com> its called gain, is it you deckk? and do you notice it in playback and or recording/ could be calibration could be off but other than the gauges themselves it would be hardly distinguisable. You could always drop one back a notch but and that is the primary reason for having a deck with separate adjustments. Of course there may be other factors but I think I have covered the ones most common. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Wed Jun 15 21:26:08 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:26:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? In-Reply-To: <200506151901.j5FJ0DJB013796@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Consider taking the switches apart. I have often found ways to make non-functioning switches work again by carefully taking them apart, seeing what makes them tick, then fixing whatever is wrong. Usually such assemblies are held together by bent over metal tabs, which are easily unbent. Careful, there are almost always springs in there! Also, go on-line and pull up Digi-Key's catalog. I'd be very surprised if they didn't have something that would work. Gary >>Mine needs two switches; the reel size switch, and the tape speed switch. Both are PCB-mounted 4PDT switches, and both have lost the ability to latch into place. The switches are identical, and they were listed on the parts list as either individual switches or as the speed switch subassembly.<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 21:41:46 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels In-Reply-To: <20050615135120.7793B1FAA16@mxo3.broadbandsupport.net> Message-ID: Hi Hugh! What you decribed...occur with ALL your sources? Please check this parameter, and inform us your results! Thanks, ALEX! >From: "Hugh Harwood" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:51:12 -0400 > >Would it be considered a fault to have different recording levels for the >right and left channels on my LX-3? The right channel level needs to be >raised about one graduation on the knob to equal the recording level on the >left channel. If this is a problem, what causes it and what can be done to >fix it? > >Thanks. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 15 22:03:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:03:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels In-Reply-To: <20050615135120.7793B1FAA16@mxo3.broadbandsupport.net> References: <20050615135120.7793B1FAA16@mxo3.broadbandsupport.net> Message-ID: <42B089A3.6000200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Hugh, Hugh Harwood wrote: > Would it be considered a fault to have different recording levels for > the right and left channels on my LX-3? Yes. > The right channel level needs to > be raised about one graduation on the knob to equal the recording level > on the left channel. If this is a problem, what causes it and what can > be done to fix it? The deck's REC amp or INPUT amp levels need to be readjusted. See service manual for details, or confer with Scott Johnson of this list. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 22:07:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:07:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required In-Reply-To: <20050615035931.70944.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks my superbly friend! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT) > >Thats Alex, speaking with all his experiences with top quality Naks! > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Hi Mr.. Wilson! > >You need a Nak "DRAGON"...because his automatic azimuth calibration...will >deliver the maximum results from your oldies tapes! Looking for some >cheaper >line from Nak...is a waste of time & money! > >Good Luck! > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: "Ornette Wilson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required > >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:15:53 +0000 > > > >Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am slowly but surely > >transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My current tape deck has > >been playing up recently (Technics RS-BX501, 1998 model), so I want to >get > >hold of another tape deck that will give good playback response. > > > >I have seen a BX-2 for sale recently and wondering whether it is worth > >getting. However, I have read something about tape incompatibilities with > >Nakamichi tape decks and I wonder whether this would be a problem. > > > >My tapes were all recorded on some cheapish tape decks (a Pioneer >CT570[?] > >and Technics TR-???) during the late 1980's & early 1990's. The quality >on > >them is not brilliant, but it's not terrible by any measure, and they are > >all recordings of FM radio transmissions. Can anyone advise me on this > >please? > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mowlog at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 23:06:49 2005 From: mowlog at gmail.com (Roger Schumacher) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:06:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels In-Reply-To: <20050615135120.7793B1FAA16@mxo3.broadbandsupport.net> References: <20050615135120.7793B1FAA16@mxo3.broadbandsupport.net> Message-ID: <95df4f4005061514064d14e47c@mail.gmail.com> What happens if you flip the cassette? Same site lower, or is it the other site after turning? If same site, the problem is not the cassette, and not the heads. If the lower level has changed from left to right (or vice-versa), the problem is obviously a worn-out head, though. Had exactly this problem recently on a Tascam 112. On 6/15/05, Hugh Harwood wrote: > > > > Would it be considered a fault to have different recording levels for the > right and left channels on my LX-3? The right channel level needs to be > raised about one graduation on the knob to equal the recording level on the > left channel. If this is a problem, what causes it and what can be done to > fix it? > > Thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From j.doupe at btinternet.com Wed Jun 15 23:20:32 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:20:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 References: <000101c57118$a5977ed0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <001a01c571f0$105edfb0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Nakers, Could one of you just refresh my memory please. Somebody posted a message about a week or so ago saying that the Nakamichi CR7e was being featured in one of the hifi mags next month. Which magazine is it being featured in. Thanks in advance Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Henk van Beek To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Today I cleaned the switches. It wasn't easy, because the front won't come right off. There are some circuit boards attached to the front on the back side with lots of cables. After a lot of movement I could reach the screws that hold the panel with the switches. Also that panel barely moved. Finaly I sprayed as good as possible, not 100%, but I think the most important switches are treated now. Thanks again. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Jun 16 01:07:22 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:07:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? References: Message-ID: <001b01c571fe$fca54a90$6401a8c0@desktop> John, I have a complete X-1000R I'll be parting out and posting soon on E-bay. The deck is a low hours and the switch works perfectly. I'll let you know when it's posted. -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Berger" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? > Anyone have a suggestion for a parts source for a Teac X-1000R reel? > > Mine needs two switches; the reel size switch, and the tape speed switch. > Both are PCB-mounted 4PDT switches, and both have lost the ability to > latch into place. The switches are identical, and they were listed on the > parts list as either individual switches or as the speed switch > subassembly. > > Apparently these were problematic, as they are unavailable from Teac. At > this point, they don't have to even be the original switches (although > that would be ideal). I'd even considered building a new PCB with 4PDT > relays and a SPDT switch to control them, since these parts seem to be > easier to find. > > But, if I could find these parts, I could fix it in an evening of > disassembling and soldering. Otherwise, I have to remove the back panel > and case, and stick jumper wires on the connectors to change the speed > from 3-3/4 to 7-1/2. > > Anyone have a pointer to a repair shop that might have done repairs on > these, and that might have a parts deck or spares? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 01:15:04 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <000c01c57143$e674f7e0$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20050615231504.77569.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. The CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton cover. The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little dull. I have some info on my web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html and search for IEC1 and MR-1B SJ --- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > Kermit or anyone else, > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 Naks > and IEC2 > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some examples > of IEC2 > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information as > to > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > Thanks for any info. > > Jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment > Kermit? > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > >> > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 > Mk I > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > operational > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a > headphone > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > during > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad trade. > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > models. The > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > reminiscent > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > recording, > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, like > really, > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > macrodynamics > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > superior to > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > superdecks, > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > times -- > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot be > tweaked > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 02:19:06 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? In-Reply-To: <202.3ba74d8.2fe20c23@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050616001906.53571.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Ask anyone who's been around the industry for years. They'd tell you, the toughest thing is to try working without a reel to reel. Having fully restored my X1000R-SL (with the BL version coming up this weekend), it has simply justified all the nightmarish moments and nervewrecking efforts to get it up to performance. I cant say it beat this or sounded better then that. Straight and simple-its worth ALL that I went through, and maybe abit more. Look for a gentleman named Roland Alford in this list. He's someone whom I dealt with before, and I would recommend for delivering good parts, based on availability. He may be able to help. Asides, if you need more help on getting the X1000R to be a Dragon-slayer, contact me offlist. Bala MonahansPipes at aol.com wrote: > After being in the Hi-Fi industry for years you have > to know when to quit > and unforntunatly it appears time. > > There are other media that you can purchase and > fulfill the spot. > > good luck > > dennis > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From craham at wanadoo.fr Thu Jun 16 11:56:02 2005 From: craham at wanadoo.fr (Robert Southern) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:56:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. In-Reply-To: <200506151900.j5FIxgdt013777@zxe.naks.com> References: <200506151900.j5FIxgdt013777@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.1.20050616111753.01a36a30@pop.wanadoo.fr> G' day folks, I' ve been in lurk mode for a couple of years, just absorbing the enthusiasm and great knowledge of the membership for these fine machines, which has mostly been very interesting. Perhaps I might pick your brains a little, please ? I'm not that technically orientated that I' d elect to attempt any service operations on my CR-7, other than routine maintenance, and the beast sadly malfunctioned yesterday. Anyway, I shall be taking it back to Bowers & Wilkins for resucitation next week but curiosity prompts me to enquire if anyone might kindly shed some light on the problem, based on the following symptoms ? It was in play mode when I pressed the stop control. Instead of terminating play all the lights came on, i.e. Rewind, Play, Forward Fast and Pause, and the R/H capstan stopped moving but the L/H capstan continued. All I could do was cut the power supply to prevent too much tape getting pulled in by the pinch roller. The end result is that I have a tape stuck in the machine, the head assembly engaged in active mode and all four lights lit when power is turned on, but no physical control response. Pressing stop cancels the four lights momentarily as the stop light comes on, but the lit array resumes promptly thereafter. If anyone have any ideas, I really would be most interested. Thanks, Rob From lists at richardhess.com Thu Jun 16 15:21:34 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:21:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? Message-ID: <20050616092134.cqwd9lldomwwok0g@webmail.aaryn.lunarpages.com> Hi, John, Tne miniature switches like those pioneered by ALCO and widely manufactured by C&K are still available in 4PDT. You might be able to make them fit. I bought some last year from Mouser or DigiKey. Good luck! Cheers, Richard From: John Berger To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? Anyone have a suggestion for a parts source for a Teac X-1000R reel? Mine needs two switches; the reel size switch, and the tape speed switch. Both are PCB-mounted 4PDT switches, and both have lost the ability to latch into place. The switches are identical, and they were listed on the parts list as either individual switches or as the speed switch subassembly. -- Richard L. Hess http://www.richardhess.com/ From marlin at amerion.com Thu Jun 16 21:26:40 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:26:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracers - Unsinkable battleship- Message-ID: <00eb01c572a9$52fdee60$0cc93442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello I collect Nakamichi 700's. I've managed to keep them all rolling but I think my 700 2 needs the record and playback capacitors replaced. Can anyone photocopy me the service manual for the Nak 700 and the 700 2.Or I would be interested in buying or trading for originals. I don't want to buy a $25 photocopied internet manual. I would gladly pay for the copied manuals as well. I'm also interested in corresponding with others who have a solid interest in the 700 Tri Tracers. Thanks- John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 16 21:42:52 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:42:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. Message-ID: <20050616194254.BBPP20878.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Robert, I had the very same happen to me some months ago. You might not have noticed it when you hit the 'stop' button but the problem had already happened beforehand. Your description of the head being up in the active mode and the four button lamps lit are identical to what happened to my deck. I was able to free up the tape but it really was harder than I thought. My tape wrapped around the pinch roller and it required a lot of fanagling to remove the tape. In short, I apparently knocked something out of whack during my tape removal. The deck played somewhat okay afterwards but often stopped on its own. If you consider yourself not mechanically inclined to remove the front cover and the tiny black cover, then B&W is the correct answer. You'll save time, money and aggravation. I know. > > From: Robert Southern > Date: 2005/06/16 Thu AM 05:56:02 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. > > > G' day folks, > > I' ve been in lurk mode for a couple of years, just absorbing the > enthusiasm and > great knowledge of the membership for these fine machines, which has mostly > been very interesting. Perhaps I might pick your brains a little, please ? > > I'm not that technically orientated that I' d elect to attempt any service > operations > on my CR-7, other than routine maintenance, and the beast sadly malfunctioned > yesterday. Anyway, I shall be taking it back to Bowers & Wilkins for > resucitation > next week but curiosity prompts me to enquire if anyone might kindly shed some > light on the problem, based on the following symptoms ? > > It was in play mode when I pressed the stop control. Instead of terminating > play > all the lights came on, i.e. Rewind, Play, Forward Fast and Pause, and the R/H > capstan stopped moving but the L/H capstan continued. All I could do was cut > the power supply to prevent too much tape getting pulled in by the pinch > roller. > > The end result is that I have a tape stuck in the machine, the head assembly > engaged in active mode and all four lights lit when power is turned on, but no > physical control response. Pressing stop cancels the four lights > momentarily as > the stop light comes on, but the lit array resumes promptly thereafter. > > If anyone have any ideas, I really would be most interested. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 16 22:07:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:07:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <001a01c571f0$105edfb0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <008301c572ae$ffb11b00$ee984c51@oemcomputer> Hi Fi World, Jonathan. Gra' (Formby) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 15 June 2005 22:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Hi Nakers, Could one of you just refresh my memory please. Somebody posted a message about a week or so ago saying that the Nakamichi CR7e was being featured in one of the hifi mags next month. Which magazine is it being featured in. Thanks in advance Jonathan (Southport) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 02:01:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? In-Reply-To: <001b01c571fe$fca54a90$6401a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <20050617000125.4616.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There he is. You can pursue the alternatives to either repair the switch or get a new part from the electronics stores. I've had a similiar problem with my Phase Linear equalizer, but found my waiting switch in a pile of mixed parts at a bargain store! The one problem I have been having is dual concentric knobs and potentiometers. Its so hard to find them these days, does anyone have a lead on them? Bala --- Roland Alford wrote: > John, > > I have a complete X-1000R I'll be parting out and > posting soon on E-bay. The deck is a low hours > and the switch works perfectly. > > I'll let you know when it's posted. > > -- Roland > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Berger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:13 PM > Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Parts sources for Teac Reel? > > > > Anyone have a suggestion for a parts source for a > Teac X-1000R reel? > > > > Mine needs two switches; the reel size switch, and > the tape speed switch. > > Both are PCB-mounted 4PDT switches, and both have > lost the ability to > > latch into place. The switches are identical, and > they were listed on the > > parts list as either individual switches or as the > speed switch > > subassembly. > > > > Apparently these were problematic, as they are > unavailable from Teac. At > > this point, they don't have to even be the > original switches (although > > that would be ideal). I'd even considered > building a new PCB with 4PDT > > relays and a SPDT switch to control them, since > these parts seem to be > > easier to find. > > > > But, if I could find these parts, I could fix it > in an evening of > > disassembling and soldering. Otherwise, I have to > remove the back panel > > and case, and stick jumper wires on the connectors > to change the speed > > from 3-3/4 to 7-1/2. > > > > Anyone have a pointer to a repair shop that might > have done repairs on > > these, and that might have a parts deck or spares? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jun 17 03:56:15 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:56:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] An OMS-7 needs help. Message-ID: <42B22DBF.1090303@woods-and-waters.com> Hi fellow Nak'ers, Just got an OMS-7 the other day, and it has an odd habit: when you put in a CD, it will spin the CD for a few seconds then eject it. Tried several CDs, and had the same result. Is this a logic problem, a bad sensor, a stuck switch, or...? Perhaps it just doesn't like my music. Also, does anyone have a service manual or a god copy of a service manual for the OMS-7? Thanks! (I've been inspired by recent sucesses restoring my 600-II and Ampex 602, which has led to a gear repairing binge!) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 17 05:26:45 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:26:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <20050615231504.77569.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom Scott! Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have inside type 1 or 2? Thank you so much for your information! Have a nice/productive day, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. The >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton cover. > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little dull. > >I have some info on my web page. >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > >SJ > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 Naks > > and IEC2 > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some examples > > of IEC2 > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information as > > to > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > Jon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment > > Kermit? > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > >> > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 > > Mk I > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > > operational > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a > > headphone > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > > during > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad trade. > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > > models. The > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > > reminiscent > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > > recording, > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, like > > really, > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > macrodynamics > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > superior to > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > > superdecks, > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > > times -- > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot be > > tweaked > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > > > -- > > > Kermit Gray > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > USA > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > > info > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Fri Jun 17 07:12:27 2005 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:12:27 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_=D0=A1R-7_report?= In-Reply-To: <001a01c571f0$105edfb0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> References: <000101c57118$a5977ed0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> <001a01c571f0$105edfb0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <8C7411249B4902D-940-242@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> > Could one of you just refresh my memory please. Somebody posted a message about >a week or so ago saying that the Nakamichi CR7e was being featured in one of the hifi mags >next month. Which magazine is it being featured in. > >Thanks in advance > >Jonathan (Southport) It was Hi-Fi World, July issue (see the original message below). Regards, Nicholas. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:52:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the CR7 in next month's edition. They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the best sounding Nak of all time .... hmmm. I'd guess a few people around here would have a rather different point of view! Gra' __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 07:21:43 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Different right and left recording levels In-Reply-To: <42B089A3.6000200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050617052143.54920.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> It sounds like you need to perform a the meter level calibration. Go to my 660ZX Electrical Calibration procedure page and look at step 3. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt2.html It it is only off a little bit, just use a Y-cable to input exactly the same signal on both L and R inputs and adjust one of the meter level calibration pots so that they both match. Oh, yeah. Make sure your front panel input level pots are exactly at the same point. Try to do it with the input level pots at max, this should be where the mismatch between the two pots is a minimum. Scott J. --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Hugh, > > Hugh Harwood wrote: > > Would it be considered a fault to have different recording levels > for > > the right and left channels on my LX-3? > > Yes. > > > The right channel level needs to > > be raised about one graduation on the knob to equal the recording > level > > on the left channel. If this is a problem, what causes it and > what can > > be done to fix it? > > The deck's REC amp or INPUT amp levels need to be readjusted. See > service manual for details, or confer with Scott Johnson of this > list. > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jochi at qwest.net Fri Jun 17 08:34:47 2005 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:34:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <20050615231504.77569.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c57306$a8557ce0$0500000a@uswest.net> Scott, Thank you for the specifics on which Naks are IEC1 and which IEC2. And thanks for that excellent description of the differences between IEC1 and IEC2. It will be interesting for me to see if my hearing can pick up the difference if the 2-4 dB are cut off when an IEC1 recording is played back on and IEC2 deck. This stuff is really interesting to me. Thanks! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. The > CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR > series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the > MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, > the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton cover. > > The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the > high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the > high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB > boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck > the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little dull. > > I have some info on my web page. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > SJ > > > > --- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 Naks > > and IEC2 > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some examples > > of IEC2 > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information as > > to > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > Jon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to comment > > Kermit? > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > >> > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a 600 > > Mk I > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > > operational > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of a > > headphone > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > > during > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad trade. > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > > models. The > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > > reminiscent > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > > recording, > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, like > > really, > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > macrodynamics > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > superior to > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > > superdecks, > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > > times -- > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot be > > tweaked > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > > > -- > > > Kermit Gray > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > USA > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > > info > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 18:10:42 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An OMS-7 needs help. In-Reply-To: <42B22DBF.1090303@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050617161042.17692.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It was reported by Stephen sank that OMS 7 is a pain to align the laser - the chances are your OMS require new laser ( worst case) or laser alignment Kannan "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi fellow Nak'ers, Just got an OMS-7 the other day, and it has an odd habit: when you put in a CD, it will spin the CD for a few seconds then eject it. Tried several CDs, and had the same result. Is this a logic problem, a bad sensor, a stuck switch, or...? Perhaps it just doesn't like my music. Also, does anyone have a service manual or a god copy of a service manual for the OMS-7? Thanks! 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URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Jun 17 16:45:03 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:45:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <20050615231504.77569.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000c01c57143$e674f7e0$0500000a@uswest.net> <20050615231504.77569.qmail@web40423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050617103431.01b37368@psulias.psu.edu> It's rather annoying, but stuff I record on my Dragon with the treble cranked on my car deck still sounds better than tapes recorded on the Yamaha KX-690 flat. The difference in the noise reduction is huge. The Dragon tapes are dead quiet when using Dobly B whereas the KX690 hiss is still very audible. The low end on the Nak tapes just kills all other decks I've ever used. I've found that recording Type II and IV tapes with 120eq rather than 70eq can compensate for the dullness quite a bit without introducing a whole lot more hiss. I don't exactly know what compromises are made when doing that, but the tapes still sound great. So after many diddilings around in the months since I got my Dragon, I think that using XLIIS+DolbyB+120eq gives the most compatibility with the car deck (a stock Subaru deck, but which is surprisingly good with Metal and Dobly capability). I guess I should start working with the XLII since that appears to be the only decent tape being made at currently. I just took my CR-2 and CR-5 into the shop to have a idler gear transplant and to get the CR-5 cleaned, demagged and aligned. That'll give me freshly serviced Dragon and CR-5 and the fun can really begin. At 07:15 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. The >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton cover. > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little dull. > >I have some info on my web page. >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > >SJ > Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Jun 17 18:49:22 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:49:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. Message-ID: <200506171249_MC3-1-A1C6-F4B5@compuserve.com> Hi Robert, I had the same problem and the source of this malfunction is the "mode-switch" and associated "control-motor" assembly. Remove the top cover and just help the control motor to turn with your finger. This way you can remove the jammed tape. Actually, after doing this, cr7 will work properly for some time. But the problem will happen again soon, therefore you need to remove the assembly and clean it. You may have to remove the motor's cover and clean the electrical contacts (rotating between the brushes) as well. There is a web-site in japanese describing the procedure, which I forwarded earlier to the group. This is a mechanical problem and as Roland suggested, you may need a good repair service if you cannot do it yourself. Hope this helps, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 4 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:42:52 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050616194254.BBPP20878.lakermmtao04.cox.net at smtp.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Robert, I had the very same happen to me some months ago. You might not have noticed it when you hit the 'stop' button but the problem had already happened beforehand. Your description of the head being up in the active mode and the four button lamps lit are identical to what happened to my deck. I was able to free up the tape but it really was harder than I thought. My tape wrapped around the pinch roller and it required a lot of fanagling to remove the tape. In short, I apparently knocked something out of whack during my tape removal. The deck played somewhat okay afterwards but often stopped on its own. If you consider yourself not mechanically inclined to remove the front cover and the tiny black cover, then B&W is the correct answer. You'll save time, money and aggravation. I know. > > From: Robert Southern > Date: 2005/06/16 Thu AM 05:56:02 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. > > > G' day folks, > > I' ve been in lurk mode for a couple of years, just absorbing the > enthusiasm and > great knowledge of the membership for these fine machines, which has mostly > been very interesting. Perhaps I might pick your brains a little, please ? > > I'm not that technically orientated that I' d elect to attempt any service > operations > on my CR-7, other than routine maintenance, and the beast sadly malfunctioned > yesterday. Anyway, I shall be taking it back to Bowers & Wilkins for > resucitation > next week but curiosity prompts me to enquire if anyone might kindly shed some > light on the problem, based on the following symptoms ? > > It was in play mode when I pressed the stop control. Instead of terminating > play > all the lights came on, i.e. Rewind, Play, Forward Fast and Pause, and the R/H > capstan stopped moving but the L/H capstan continued. All I could do was cut > the power supply to prevent too much tape getting pulled in by the pinch > roller. > > The end result is that I have a tape stuck in the machine, the head assembly > engaged in active mode and all four lights lit when power is turned on, but no > physical control response. Pressing stop cancels the four lights > momentarily as > the stop light comes on, but the lit array resumes promptly thereafter. > > If anyone have any ideas, I really would be most interested. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland < From j.doupe at btinternet.com Fri Jun 17 19:44:29 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 References: <008301c572ae$ffb11b00$ee984c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001b01c57364$367eca50$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Cheers Gra. Your'e in Formby are you, I'm in Birkdale. Am I right in thinking you have a ZX9. If so, would you like some time to do a listening session between the two. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Hi Fi World, Jonathan. Gra' (Formby) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 15 June 2005 22:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Hi Nakers, Could one of you just refresh my memory please. Somebody posted a message about a week or so ago saying that the Nakamichi CR7e was being featured in one of the hifi mags next month. Which magazine is it being featured in. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- Mistake!CR-7 will be featured in the August!!! issue of Hi-Fi World.Best regards,Maksim. ----- Original Message ----- From: modernizy at netscape.net [mailto:modernizy at netscape.net] Sent: 6/16/2005 10:12:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] СR-7 report >Could one of you just refresh my memory please. Somebody posted a message about >a week or so ago saying that the Nakamichi CR7e was being featured in one of the hifi mags >next month. Which magazine is it being featured in. >>Thanks in advance >>Jonathan ( Southport ) It was Hi- Fi World, July issue (see the original message below). Regards, Nicholas. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson freeserve .co. uk > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks com > Sent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:52:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #333333; } Hi Fi World are to publish a retrospective of the CR 7 in next month's edition. They say that Nakamichi (UK) reckon it was the best sounding Nak of all time .... hmmm . I'd guess a few people around here would have a rather different point of view! Gra ' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at [http://isp.netscape.com/register]http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at [http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp]http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jun 17 21:43:35 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:43:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy tape Message-ID: <20050617194334.MLOS10612.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I know some were talking about Quantegy some months ago and how they were on 'hold'. I came across this on eBay and thought I should point it out to the professional recorders in the group. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5780807337&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Roland From pflan at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 17 22:32:59 2005 From: pflan at bellsouth.net (pflan at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR 1 Message-ID: <000801c5737b$c2bc0200$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com> Hi Gang,I am new here.I just purchased a MR 1 with a bad reel motor .I would like to know if anyone can tell me a place that would have the gear conversion parts for my machine. Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jun 17 22:57:35 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:57:35 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Re:_=5Bnaktalk=5D_=D0=A1R-7_report?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006101c5737f$3058e460$4f9b4c51@oemcomputer> Spot on - they've already published the July edition in June, while the August edition will be published in July ... and if you can figure out the logic of that you're a better man than me, Gungadin! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 17 June 2005 19:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] СR-7 report Mistake!CR-7 will be featured in the August!!! issue of Hi-Fi World.Best regards,Maksim. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jun 17 23:02:32 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:02:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. Message-ID: <42B33A68.9080303@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers, Just wanted to update everyone on some of my latest Naka-related projects. The first is a valve conversion kit for most models of Nak. It will replace the reproduce amp, but not the EQ or Dolby circuits, so that the deck's automation remains unaffected. Depending on the model of Nak, it will use 6AU6A and either 6J5, 6SN7 or 6CG7 (depending on the space inside). I expect the conversion to give the Nak more of a big-studio deck sound, improve dynamic range and reduce playback noise dramatically. With some model Naks, Dolby NR may not be needed in certain situations. Not recommended for 250, 350, 500 or 550. Bala's helping me out with this; we're using one of his 680ZXL and one of my 600 as the "guinea pig." Expected completion date by next springtime (this is an intricate project). The second project has been rolling about in what's left of my mind for some months. IF ENOUGH INTEREST exists, I will manufacture new test tapes for Nakamichi decks. One will be an IEC-1 Reproduce Alignment Tape containing multiple test tones for playback level adjust, azimuth spot-check, speed adjust, and evaluation of overall playback response. The other tape will be an Azimuth Alignment Tape. One side will have 15 k/c tone for the customary azimuth adjustment method. The other side will have 15 k/c recorded in a narrow track between the normal playback tracks; in this case, a minimum level corresponds to proper azimuth. Cost will depend on the level of interest. Test tapes cost quite a bit customarily because of the extreme tooling and machine costs, which has to be amortized over the few units sold. Expected completion date by next springtime, possibly by year's end. (This is quite an intricate project). More news later. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 23:12:29 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050617211230.59719.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the mechanism. The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were ever IEC2 (as far as I know). SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > Shalom Scott! > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have inside > type 1 or > 2? > > Thank you so much for your information! > > Have a nice/productive day, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. > The > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > cover. > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > dull. > > > >I have some info on my web page. > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > >SJ > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 > Naks > > > and IEC2 > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > examples > > > of IEC2 > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information > as > > > to > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > comment > > > Kermit? > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > >> > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a > 600 > > > Mk I > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > > > operational > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of > a > > > headphone > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > > > during > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > trade. > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > > > models. The > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > > > reminiscent > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > > > recording, > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, > like > > > really, > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > macrodynamics > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > superior to > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > > > superdecks, > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > > > times -- > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot > be > > > tweaked > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > USA > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > audio > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Discover Yahoo! > >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it > out! > >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 18 00:19:14 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:19:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Message-ID: <001c01c5738a$99408270$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi folks, I could not resist buying a BX-2 Nak at the asking price of £3.24. At the sellers own admission the deck is not working properly and I quote: ".. Owned from new my Nakamichi BX-2 was a stunning quality deck (even if nowhere near the top of the range). Over the years the slipping clutches have developed rather more slip than clutch, to the point where fast wind and rewind don't happen, and normal play take-up is unreliable. Also recently have now got annoying audible ticking (about 5Hz)..." Is this something an ordinary half capable DIY person (ie me!) could undertake or is it a job for the service engineer? 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If it still can't read then the laser module is probably bad. If it's the old OMS-7 and not the II then it uses the NEC laser which you might be able to find. If it's the OMS-7II then forget it. It uses the Sony KSS-123 laser which is near impossible to find. Sometimes you can increase the laser power output to compensate for the degradation, but, that's really just a last ditch effort since now it will degrade again, but, Faster. Scott J. --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi fellow Nak'ers, > > Just got an OMS-7 the other day, and it has an odd habit: when you > put > in a CD, it will spin the CD for a few seconds then eject it. Tried > > several CDs, and had the same result. Is this a logic problem, a > bad > sensor, a stuck switch, or...? Perhaps it just doesn't like my > music. > > Also, does anyone have a service manual or a god copy of a service > manual for the OMS-7? > > Thanks! > > (I've been inspired by recent sucesses restoring my 600-II and > Ampex > 602, which has led to a gear repairing binge!) > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 23:18:32 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Message-ID: <20050618211832.66125.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> Classic idler tire problem. Just about anyone can do that repair. DonT know about the five hz click though. --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: > Hi folks, > > I could not resist buying a BX-2 Nak at the asking price of £3.24. > > At the sellers own admission the deck is not working properly and I > quote: > > ".. Owned from new my Nakamichi BX-2 was a stunning quality deck (even > if > nowhere near the top of the range). > > Over the years the slipping clutches have developed rather more slip > than > clutch, to the point where fast wind and rewind don't happen, and normal > play take-up is unreliable. > > Also recently have now got annoying audible ticking (about 5Hz)..." > > Is this something an ordinary half capable DIY person (ie me!) could > undertake or is it a job for the service engineer? > > I am hoping that it will make a decent junior partner to my now fully > restored BX-300 (thanks to Bowers & Wilkins). > > > > Shaun > > > > ------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From j.doupe at btinternet.com Sat Jun 18 23:58:01 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:58:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 References: <005c01c5737e$41c796c0$4f9b4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003601c57450$cc540030$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Gra, your ZX9 modified hey, what was done to it and did you notice any difference to the sound or was it mostly to improve the build of it, ie longevity of parts. You can reply to me direct if yoyu wish. j.doupe at btinternet.com Regards Jonathan Doupe ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Sure, Jonathan! That sounds like some fun! (Birkdale, eh? I have friends who live in Trafalgar Road.) Mine, however, is not a stock ZX-9. It was modified @ Transtec by Tom van den Hoff. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 17 June 2005 18:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Cheers Gra. Your'e in Formby are you, I'm in Birkdale. Am I right in thinking you have a ZX9. If so, would you like some time to do a listening session between the two. Jonathan ---------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 01:37:35 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR 1 In-Reply-To: <000801c5737b$c2bc0200$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com> Message-ID: <20050618233735.78905.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com> Buy a CR-1 (like from ebay) and rip the gear idler out of it. SJ --- pflan at bellsouth.net wrote: > Hi Gang,I am new here.I just purchased a MR 1 with a bad reel motor > .I would like to know if anyone can tell me a place that would have > the gear conversion parts for my machine. Thanks > > Patrick > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 01:46:10 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:46:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <20050617211230.59719.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050617211230.59719.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b1050618164651d6c248@mail.gmail.com> Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. George On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the mechanism. > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were ever > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > SJ > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have inside > > type 1 or > > 2? > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. > > The > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > cover. > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > dull. > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 > > Naks > > > > and IEC2 > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > examples > > > > of IEC2 > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information > > as > > > > to > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > comment > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a > > 600 > > > > Mk I > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > > > > operational > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of > > a > > > > headphone > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > > > > during > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > > > > models. The > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > > > > reminiscent > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > > > > recording, > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, > > like > > > > really, > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > superior to > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > > > > superdecks, > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > > > > times -- > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot > > be > > > > tweaked > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > USA > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > > audio > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Discover Yahoo! > > >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it > > out! > > >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 03:17:13 2005 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:17:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. References: <42B33A68.9080303@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000901c5746c$9fd93770$c901a8c0@cn593434a> Kermit, First of all, Bravo on your dedication to the group!!!!! My 480, 582 and 680ZX are awaiting the arrival of your calibration tapes. Count me in on your collection of numbered users. I would usually insert some sort of humor here, but my Father-In-Law passed away last week after an 8 week struggle in intensive care and I just got back from his funeral service, so for the moment all of the humor is missing. I will say however that the day was filled to the brim with love and support from more than 130 of his loved ones, which made the day a complete celebration of his generous life. Hug your kids and loved ones everytime you see them and let them know that whatever they need, you are there for them no matter what. And don't forget to tell a joke about yourself. Love and laughter. Friends and family. That's what keeps us going. Oh yeah, Naks help too! Peace, Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > Just wanted to update everyone on some of my latest Naka-related projects. > > The first is a valve conversion kit for most models of Nak. It will > replace the reproduce amp, but not the EQ or Dolby circuits, so that the > deck's automation remains unaffected. Depending on the model of Nak, it > will use 6AU6A and either 6J5, 6SN7 or 6CG7 (depending on the space > inside). I expect the conversion to give the Nak more of a big-studio > deck sound, improve dynamic range and reduce playback noise > dramatically. With some model Naks, Dolby NR may not be needed in > certain situations. Not recommended for 250, 350, 500 or 550. Bala's > helping me out with this; we're using one of his 680ZXL and one of my > 600 as the "guinea pig." Expected completion date by next springtime > (this is an intricate project). > > The second project has been rolling about in what's left of my mind for > some months. IF ENOUGH INTEREST exists, I will manufacture new test > tapes for Nakamichi decks. One will be an IEC-1 Reproduce Alignment Tape > containing multiple test tones for playback level adjust, azimuth > spot-check, speed adjust, and evaluation of overall playback response. > The other tape will be an Azimuth Alignment Tape. One side will have 15 > k/c tone for the customary azimuth adjustment method. The other side > will have 15 k/c recorded in a narrow track between the normal playback > tracks; in this case, a minimum level corresponds to proper azimuth. > Cost will depend on the level of interest. Test tapes cost quite a bit > customarily because of the extreme tooling and machine costs, which has > to be amortized over the few units sold. Expected completion date by > next springtime, possibly by year's end. (This is quite an intricate > project). > > More news later. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 05:32:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:32:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <20050617211230.59719.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom Scott! Thank you very heart fully! Blessing always, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:12:29 -0700 (PDT) > >The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series >decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, >CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the mechanism. > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were ever >IEC2 (as far as I know). > >SJ > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have inside > > type 1 or > > 2? > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. > > The > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > cover. > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > dull. > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 > > Naks > > > > and IEC2 > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > examples > > > > of IEC2 > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information > > as > > > > to > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > comment > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a > > 600 > > > > Mk I > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > > > > operational > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of > > a > > > > headphone > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > > > > during > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > > > > models. The > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > > > > reminiscent > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > > > > recording, > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, > > like > > > > really, > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > superior to > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > > > > superdecks, > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > > > > times -- > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot > > be > > > > tweaked > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > USA > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > > audio > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Discover Yahoo! > > >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it > > out! > > >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Jun 19 07:24:18 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:24:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: <42B33A68.9080303@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit I'll be interested to know cost of test tapes. David > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > Organization: Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > Reply-To: , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:02:32 -0500 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. > > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > Just wanted to update everyone on some of my latest Naka-related projects. > > The first is a valve conversion kit for most models of Nak. It will > replace the reproduce amp, but not the EQ or Dolby circuits, so that the > deck's automation remains unaffected. Depending on the model of Nak, it > will use 6AU6A and either 6J5, 6SN7 or 6CG7 (depending on the space > inside). I expect the conversion to give the Nak more of a big-studio > deck sound, improve dynamic range and reduce playback noise > dramatically. With some model Naks, Dolby NR may not be needed in > certain situations. Not recommended for 250, 350, 500 or 550. Bala's > helping me out with this; we're using one of his 680ZXL and one of my > 600 as the "guinea pig." Expected completion date by next springtime > (this is an intricate project). > > The second project has been rolling about in what's left of my mind for > some months. IF ENOUGH INTEREST exists, I will manufacture new test > tapes for Nakamichi decks. One will be an IEC-1 Reproduce Alignment Tape > containing multiple test tones for playback level adjust, azimuth > spot-check, speed adjust, and evaluation of overall playback response. > The other tape will be an Azimuth Alignment Tape. One side will have 15 > k/c tone for the customary azimuth adjustment method. The other side > will have 15 k/c recorded in a narrow track between the normal playback > tracks; in this case, a minimum level corresponds to proper azimuth. > Cost will depend on the level of interest. Test tapes cost quite a bit > customarily because of the extreme tooling and machine costs, which has > to be amortized over the few units sold. Expected completion date by > next springtime, possibly by year's end. (This is quite an intricate > project). > > More news later. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 19 08:58:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:58:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy tape In-Reply-To: <20050617194334.MLOS10612.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20050617194334.MLOS10612.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <42B51792.10301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Roland, Not to worry, Quantegy has resumed production. Also, a new tape my by a new company, the ATR Tape Company, is due to reach the shelves in September. So, we'll have two companies making reel-to-reel tape! rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I know some were talking about Quantegy some months ago and how they were on 'hold'. > > I came across this on eBay and thought I should point it out to the professional recorders in the group. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5780807337&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Sun Jun 19 13:18:15 2005 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:18:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. Message-ID: <000601c574c0$96c84fa0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Hi Robert, I fully agree with the former repliers. It's a common problem with the CR-7 (CR-5 ?). Up to B & W :-( Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sun Jun 19 15:14:58 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:14:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] re: Quantegy Tape References: <200506191000.j5JA0rmO021908@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001301c574d0$e4b7af70$8902a8c0@warbird> What about this? (10 pancakes of GP9!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5782632273&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 PD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 27 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quantegy tape (rjlbjk at cox.net) > 2. Nakamichi MR 1 (pflan at bellsouth.net) > 3. RE: Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 (Nelson) > 4. RE: Re: [naktalk] ??R-7 report (Nelson) > 5. Various Nak projects in the works. (Kermit V. Gray) > 6. Re: CR7 (Scott Johnson) > 7. BX-2 (Shaun Montgomery) > 8. Re: An OMS-7 needs help. (Scott Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:43:35 -0400 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy tape > To: > Message-ID: > <20050617194334.MLOS10612.lakermmtao12.cox.net at smtp.east.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I know some were talking about Quantegy some months ago and how they were on 'hold'. > > I came across this on eBay and thought I should point it out to the professional recorders in the group. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5780807337&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > Roland > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:32:59 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR 1 > To: > Message-ID: <000801c5737b$c2bc0200$6101a8c0 at launchmodem.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gang,I am new here.I just purchased a MR 1 with a bad reel motor .I would like to know if anyone can tell me a place that would have the gear conversion parts for my machine. Thanks Patrick > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050617/82f6290e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:50:54 +0100 > From: "Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <005c01c5737e$41c796c0$4f9b4c51 at oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sure, Jonathan! That sounds like some fun! (Birkdale, eh? I have friends > who live in Trafalgar Road.) > > Mine, however, is not a stock ZX-9. It was modified @ Transtec by Tom van > den Hoff. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Jonathan Doupe > Sent: 17 June 2005 18:44 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 > > > Cheers Gra. Your'e in Formby are you, I'm in Birkdale. Am I right in > thinking you have a ZX9. If so, would you like some time to do a listening > session between the two. > > Jonathan > ---------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050617/dcf734ee/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:57:35 +0100 > From: "Nelson" > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] ??R-7 report > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <006101c5737f$3058e460$4f9b4c51 at oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Spot on - they've already published the July edition in June, while the > August edition will be published in July ... and if you can figure out the > logic of that you're a better man than me, Gungadin! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of nakamichi at ispwest.com > Sent: 17 June 2005 19:23 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] СR-7 report > > > Mistake!CR-7 will be featured in the August!!! issue of Hi-Fi World.Best > regards,Maksim. > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050617/046d1a4f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:02:32 -0500 > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <42B33A68.9080303 at woods-and-waters.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > Just wanted to update everyone on some of my latest Naka-related projects. > > The first is a valve conversion kit for most models of Nak. It will > replace the reproduce amp, but not the EQ or Dolby circuits, so that the > deck's automation remains unaffected. Depending on the model of Nak, it > will use 6AU6A and either 6J5, 6SN7 or 6CG7 (depending on the space > inside). I expect the conversion to give the Nak more of a big-studio > deck sound, improve dynamic range and reduce playback noise > dramatically. With some model Naks, Dolby NR may not be needed in > certain situations. Not recommended for 250, 350, 500 or 550. Bala's > helping me out with this; we're using one of his 680ZXL and one of my > 600 as the "guinea pig." Expected completion date by next springtime > (this is an intricate project). > > The second project has been rolling about in what's left of my mind for > some months. IF ENOUGH INTEREST exists, I will manufacture new test > tapes for Nakamichi decks. One will be an IEC-1 Reproduce Alignment Tape > containing multiple test tones for playback level adjust, azimuth > spot-check, speed adjust, and evaluation of overall playback response. > The other tape will be an Azimuth Alignment Tape. One side will have 15 > k/c tone for the customary azimuth adjustment method. The other side > will have 15 k/c recorded in a narrow track between the normal playback > tracks; in this case, a minimum level corresponds to proper azimuth. > Cost will depend on the level of interest. Test tapes cost quite a bit > customarily because of the extreme tooling and machine costs, which has > to be amortized over the few units sold. Expected completion date by > next springtime, possibly by year's end. (This is quite an intricate > project). > > More news later. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:12:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20050617211230.59719.qmail at web40427.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the mechanism. > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were ever > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > SJ > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have inside > > type 1 or > > 2? > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless upgraded. > > The > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the CR > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make the > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, but, > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > cover. > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in the > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in the > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra 2-4 dB > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 deck > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > dull. > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between IEC1 > > Naks > > > > and IEC2 > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > examples > > > > of IEC2 > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the information > > as > > > > to > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > comment > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I have a > > 600 > > > > Mk I > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The main > > > > operational > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition of > > a > > > > headphone > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM distortion > > > > during > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the IEC2 > > > > models. The > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a tonality > > > > reminiscent > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being a > > > > recording, > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, well, > > like > > > > really, > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > superior to > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the other > > > > superdecks, > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at all > > > > times -- > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which cannot > > be > > > > tweaked > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > USA > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > > audio > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Discover Yahoo! > > >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it > > out! > > >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:19:14 +0100 > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 > To: > Message-ID: <001c01c5738a$99408270$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi folks, > > I could not resist buying a BX-2 Nak at the asking price of £3.24. > > At the sellers own admission the deck is not working properly and I quote: > > ".. Owned from new my Nakamichi BX-2 was a stunning quality deck (even if > nowhere near the top of the range). > > Over the years the slipping clutches have developed rather more slip than > clutch, to the point where fast wind and rewind don't happen, and normal > play take-up is unreliable. > > Also recently have now got annoying audible ticking (about 5Hz)..." > > Is this something an ordinary half capable DIY person (ie me!) could > undertake or is it a job for the service engineer? > > I am hoping that it will make a decent junior partner to my now fully > restored BX-300 (thanks to Bowers & Wilkins). > > > > Shaun > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050617/ef57e605/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] An OMS-7 needs help. > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <20050617223520.85274.qmail at web40424.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Your OMS-7 sounds like it has detected the presence of the disc (the > fact that it spun it), but, it sounds like it can't read it or like > you said, doesn't like your music. > > Try cleaning the laser lens with a q-tip and 92% or better alcohol. > Intraclean S-721H should be find too (it's not just for tape decks!) > Sometimes the lens gets dirty and has a hard time reading the disc. > > If that doesn't work try tipping the CD player on its side. > Sometimes the spindle motor bearing grease dries out. If it still > can't read then the laser module is probably bad. If it's the old > OMS-7 and not the II then it uses the NEC laser which you might be > able to find. If it's the OMS-7II then forget it. It uses the Sony > KSS-123 laser which is near impossible to find. Sometimes you can > increase the laser power output to compensate for the degradation, > but, that's really just a last ditch effort since now it will degrade > again, but, Faster. > > Scott J. > > > > > --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > > Hi fellow Nak'ers, > > > > Just got an OMS-7 the other day, and it has an odd habit: when you > > put > > in a CD, it will spin the CD for a few seconds then eject it. Tried > > > > several CDs, and had the same result. Is this a logic problem, a > > bad > > sensor, a stuck switch, or...? Perhaps it just doesn't like my > > music. > > > > Also, does anyone have a service manual or a god copy of a service > > manual for the OMS-7? > > > > Thanks! > > > > (I've been inspired by recent sucesses restoring my 600-II and > > Ampex > > 602, which has led to a gear repairing binge!) > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > > info > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 27 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 From jablue at swindiana.net Sun Jun 19 15:16:10 2005 From: jablue at swindiana.net (Jim Blue) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:16:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello, Concerning the Quantegy tape availability. I received the following e-mail from them. Later, Jim... Dear Valued Customer, We're sending this non-splashy and very rare email to help keep you informed regarding recent changes in availability of recording tape, timelines, and a few other things: 1. We recently restocked 1/4" Quantegy 632, 406, and 457 on 7" reels. We now have 1/4" 457 on pancakes available and are expecting 406 in pancakes very soon. Quantegy is promising by September the tape situation should be back to normal, as right now they're trying to catch up with the huge order backlog they have. Also, by September, ATR Magnetics should have their tape available. 2. The backorder system for 1/2", 1", and 2" tape is working well and we're slowly filling these orders first come first serve. We don't charge your credit card until the tape comes in and we contact you to make sure you still want it. 3. Our new US Recording Buyer Group is working well. It an inexpensive way to save a lot of money, especially for those ordering equipment or those who order frequently. You can save up to 40% on some items and at least 5% on everything we sell. Please see our web site for details. Click "Products" from the black toolbar on our home page www.usrecordingmedia.com and it'll be listed on the upper right hand side. It's well worth it! 4. We're shortly going to have new "classic" reels and flanges available. They're held to better standards than other flanges, are slightly lighter, yet stronger, and have an easier access set of windage holes. We should have these in 2-3 weeks. That's it for now. Thank you! US Recording Customer Service From sharpei at verizon.net Sun Jun 19 16:08:50 2005 From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:08:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PRB Belt Model for CR-7A Capstan Message-ID: <42B57C72.5020807@verizon.net> Hi Folks, I need to purchase a replacement capstan belt for my CR-7A. Anyone have an idea what the PRB belt for this is ? If you do, please email me the belt model number. I'm having problems getting the Naktalk mail. Thanks, Mark sharpei at verizon.net From sergiudan at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 19:47:30 2005 From: sergiudan at hotmail.com (Sergiu Dan) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:47:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: <42B33A68.9080303@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Sun Jun 19 21:56:46 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:56:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 mods, re-capping In-Reply-To: <200506191000.j5JA03bJ021899@zxe.naks.com> References: <200506191000.j5JA03bJ021899@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <16bd28c9aaa3213502cbff522a89f257@mac.com> Hello all, I'm about to get my "new" ZX7 serviced and I'm wondering if any of you know of any particularly effective (and cost-effective) mods that can be done with the ZX7? I'm especially interested in recording quality and reliability. In a related question, I've heard people talk about "re-capping" old gear (i.e. replacing all the capacitors). Do you think this is useful as a matter of course or should one just wait for things to fail? Does the performance of a capacitor degrade gradually over time or are they like a diode or bulb, it's working or not? Sorry for the basic questions. It's my ignorance that keeps me hanging about this forum. cheers, Fred From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sun Jun 19 06:29:35 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:29:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] СR-7 report Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Plus here in the States we get issues many many weeks later!But Hi-Fi World is still the best mag out there thanks to David Price's Analog-Nakamichi love! Best regards,Maksim. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 6/17/2005 1:57:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] СR-7 report Spot on - they've already published the July edition in June, while the August edition will be published in July ... and if you can figure out the logic of that you're a better man than me, Gungadin! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 17 June 2005 19:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] СR-7 report Mistake!CR-7 will be featured in the August!!! issue of Hi-Fi World.Best regards,Maksim. From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Jun 20 00:16:03 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:16:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050619221604.BUJX28600.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Jim, What an awesome response from the company! Thank you for sharing. Roland > > From: Jim Blue > Date: 2005/06/19 Sun AM 09:16:10 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) > > Hello, > > Concerning the Quantegy tape availability. I received the following > e-mail from them. > > Later, > Jim... > > Dear Valued Customer, > > We're sending this non-splashy and very rare email to help keep you > informed regarding recent changes in availability of recording tape, > timelines, and a few other things: > > 1. We recently restocked 1/4" Quantegy 632, 406, and 457 on 7" reels. > We now have 1/4" 457 on pancakes available and are expecting 406 in > pancakes very soon. Quantegy is promising by September the tape > situation should be back to normal, as right now they're trying to > catch up with the huge order backlog they have. Also, by September, ATR > Magnetics should have their tape available. > > 2. The backorder system for 1/2", 1", and 2" tape is working well and > we're slowly filling these orders first come first serve. We don't > charge your credit card until the tape comes in and we contact you to > make sure you still want it. > > 3. Our new US Recording Buyer Group is working well. It an inexpensive > way to save a lot of money, especially for those ordering equipment or > those who order frequently. You can save up to 40% on some items and at > least 5% on everything we sell. Please see our web site for details. > Click "Products" from the black toolbar on our home page > www.usrecordingmedia.com and it'll be listed on the upper right hand > side. It's well worth it! > > 4. We're shortly going to have new "classic" reels and flanges > available. They're held to better standards than other flanges, are > slightly lighter, yet stronger, and have an easier access set of > windage holes. We should have these in 2-3 weeks. > > That's it for now. Thank you! > > US Recording > Customer Service > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 00:33:11 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 mods, re-capping In-Reply-To: <16bd28c9aaa3213502cbff522a89f257@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050619223311.20967.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> On my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I will have information on things to change on our beloved Nak decks to make them better. Opamp upgrades, capacitor upgrades, diode upgrades. Unfortunately the NEW files is at work and I didn't upload it yet. Check again on Monday afternoon and scroll down to Souping up your deck. The suggestions were takenn from a post by Mr. Sanks several years ago. SJ --- Fred Lifton wrote: > Hello all, > I'm about to get my "new" ZX7 serviced and I'm wondering if any of > you > know of any particularly effective (and cost-effective) mods that > can > be done with the ZX7? I'm especially interested in recording > quality > and reliability. > > In a related question, I've heard people talk about "re-capping" > old > gear (i.e. replacing all the capacitors). Do you think this is > useful > as a matter of course or should one just wait for things to fail? > Does > the performance of a capacitor degrade gradually over time or are > they > like a diode or bulb, it's working or not? Sorry for the basic > questions. It's my ignorance that keeps me hanging about this > forum. > > cheers, > Fred > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jun 20 06:13:54 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:13:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA64@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Sorry to hear about your Father-in-law's passing away. My thoughts are with you. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dean Bauer Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2005 11:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. Kermit, First of all, Bravo on your dedication to the group!!!!! My 480, 582 and 680ZX are awaiting the arrival of your calibration tapes. Count me in on your collection of numbered users. I would usually insert some sort of humor here, but my Father-In-Law passed away last week after an 8 week struggle in intensive care and I just got back from his funeral service, so for the moment all of the humor is missing. I will say however that the day was filled to the brim with love and support from more than 130 of his loved ones, which made the day a complete celebration of his generous life. Hug your kids and loved ones everytime you see them and let them know that whatever they need, you are there for them no matter what. And don't forget to tell a joke about yourself. Love and laughter. Friends and family. That's what keeps us going. Oh yeah, Naks help too! Peace, Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > Just wanted to update everyone on some of my latest Naka-related projects. > > The first is a valve conversion kit for most models of Nak. It will > replace the reproduce amp, but not the EQ or Dolby circuits, so that the > deck's automation remains unaffected. Depending on the model of Nak, it > will use 6AU6A and either 6J5, 6SN7 or 6CG7 (depending on the space > inside). I expect the conversion to give the Nak more of a big-studio > deck sound, improve dynamic range and reduce playback noise > dramatically. With some model Naks, Dolby NR may not be needed in > certain situations. Not recommended for 250, 350, 500 or 550. Bala's > helping me out with this; we're using one of his 680ZXL and one of my > 600 as the "guinea pig." Expected completion date by next springtime > (this is an intricate project). > > The second project has been rolling about in what's left of my mind for > some months. IF ENOUGH INTEREST exists, I will manufacture new test > tapes for Nakamichi decks. One will be an IEC-1 Reproduce Alignment Tape > containing multiple test tones for playback level adjust, azimuth > spot-check, speed adjust, and evaluation of overall playback response. > The other tape will be an Azimuth Alignment Tape. One side will have 15 > k/c tone for the customary azimuth adjustment method. The other side > will have 15 k/c recorded in a narrow track between the normal playback > tracks; in this case, a minimum level corresponds to proper azimuth. > Cost will depend on the level of interest. Test tapes cost quite a bit > customarily because of the extreme tooling and machine costs, which has > to be amortized over the few units sold. Expected completion date by > next springtime, possibly by year's end. (This is quite an intricate > project). > > More news later. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 20 00:39:59 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:39:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 mods, re-capping In-Reply-To: <16bd28c9aaa3213502cbff522a89f257@mac.com> Message-ID: <000301c5751f$d320b820$95894c51@oemcomputer> Wouter Did you figure out what the Transtec/Tom van den Hoff modification was/is? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: 19 June 2005 20:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 mods, re-capping > > > Hello all, > I'm about to get my "new" ZX7 serviced and I'm wondering if any of you > know of any particularly effective (and cost-effective) mods that can > be done with the ZX7? I'm especially interested in recording quality > and reliability. > > In a related question, I've heard people talk about "re-capping" old > gear (i.e. replacing all the capacitors). Do you think this is useful > as a matter of course or should one just wait for things to fail? Does > the performance of a capacitor degrade gradually over time or are they > like a diode or bulb, it's working or not? Sorry for the basic > questions. It's my ignorance that keeps me hanging about this forum. > > cheers, > Fred > > From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Jun 20 01:01:08 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:01:08 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 mods, re-capping References: <20050619223311.20967.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501c57522$c7eeeff0$5f4c98de@tec> Excellent page Scott. Just one question, why no mention of the 600 and 600 Mk II decks? Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 mods, re-capping > On my web site. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > I will have information on things to change on our beloved Nak decks > to make them better. Opamp upgrades, capacitor upgrades, diode > upgrades. Unfortunately the NEW files is at work and I didn't upload > it yet. Check again on Monday afternoon and scroll down to Souping > up your deck. > > The suggestions were takenn from a post by Mr. Sanks several years > ago. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I'm about to get my "new" ZX7 serviced and I'm wondering if any of >> you >> know of any particularly effective (and cost-effective) mods that >> can >> be done with the ZX7? I'm especially interested in recording >> quality >> and reliability. >> >> In a related question, I've heard people talk about "re-capping" >> old >> gear (i.e. replacing all the capacitors). Do you think this is >> useful >> as a matter of course or should one just wait for things to fail? >> Does >> the performance of a capacitor degrade gradually over time or are >> they >> like a diode or bulb, it's working or not? Sorry for the basic >> questions. It's my ignorance that keeps me hanging about this >> forum. >> >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 20 01:15:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:15:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <003601c57450$cc540030$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <000501c57524$c9edbb40$3365893e@oemcomputer> Hi Jonathan I bought it in that state from a Dutch lad. (He was (is?) a collector of Naks and had several machines modified by Tom van den Hoff, who was then @ Transtec.) So, I've never had the chance to hear an unmodified one. I did get to compare mine with a CR-7 which I bought from Kannan after he had carefully renovated it back to spec.. It was a close call but, in the end, I opted to keep my special ZX-9. To my ear, and with my system, it had the edge. But it's all very subjective! Plus I only have one ear that works and that one's failing on me now, too!!! Regards Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 18 June 2005 22:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning oxidized switches on ZX-9 Hi Gra, your ZX9 modified hey, what was done to it and did you notice any difference to the sound or was it mostly to improve the build of it, ie longevity of parts. You can reply to me direct if yoyu wish. j.doupe at btinternet.com Regards Jonathan Doupe======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 02:29:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: <000901c5746c$9fd93770$c901a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: <20050620002924.74334.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean, My sincere condolences with regards to your father-In-Law. Moments like this reminds us how fragile human life can be and certainly brings family and friends much closer together. Even here, the Nakamichi group is a family and all of us are certainly here for each other. Take Care and have a blessed day. Regards Bala --- Dean Bauer wrote: > Kermit, > > First of all, Bravo on your dedication to the > group!!!!! > > My 480, 582 and 680ZX are awaiting the arrival of > your calibration tapes. > Count me in on your collection of numbered users. > > I would usually insert some sort of humor here, but > my Father-In-Law passed > away last week after an 8 week struggle in intensive > care and I just got > back from his funeral service, so for the moment all > of the humor is > missing. I will say however that the day was filled > to the brim with love > and support from more than 130 of his loved ones, > which made the day a > complete celebration of his generous life. > > Hug your kids and loved ones everytime you see them > and let them know that > whatever they need, you are there for them no matter > what. And don't forget > to tell a joke about yourself. Love and laughter. > Friends and family. > That's what keeps us going. Oh yeah, Naks help too! > > Peace, > Dean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:02 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the > works. > > > > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > > > Just wanted to update everyone on some of my > latest Naka-related projects. > > > > The first is a valve conversion kit for most > models of Nak. It will > > replace the reproduce amp, but not the EQ or Dolby > circuits, so that the > > deck's automation remains unaffected. Depending on > the model of Nak, it > > will use 6AU6A and either 6J5, 6SN7 or 6CG7 > (depending on the space > > inside). I expect the conversion to give the Nak > more of a big-studio > > deck sound, improve dynamic range and reduce > playback noise > > dramatically. With some model Naks, Dolby NR may > not be needed in > > certain situations. Not recommended for 250, 350, > 500 or 550. Bala's > > helping me out with this; we're using one of his > 680ZXL and one of my > > 600 as the "guinea pig." Expected completion date > by next springtime > > (this is an intricate project). > > > > The second project has been rolling about in > what's left of my mind for > > some months. IF ENOUGH INTEREST exists, I will > manufacture new test > > tapes for Nakamichi decks. One will be an IEC-1 > Reproduce Alignment Tape > > containing multiple test tones for playback level > adjust, azimuth > > spot-check, speed adjust, and evaluation of > overall playback response. > > The other tape will be an Azimuth Alignment Tape. > One side will have 15 > > k/c tone for the customary azimuth adjustment > method. The other side > > will have 15 k/c recorded in a narrow track > between the normal playback > > tracks; in this case, a minimum level corresponds > to proper azimuth. > > Cost will depend on the level of interest. Test > tapes cost quite a bit > > customarily because of the extreme tooling and > machine costs, which has > > to be amortized over the few units sold. Expected > completion date by > > next springtime, possibly by year's end. (This is > quite an intricate > > project). > > > > More news later. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 20 02:48:27 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:48:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: Quantegy Tape In-Reply-To: <001301c574d0$e4b7af70$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200506191000.j5JA0rmO021908@zxe.naks.com> <001301c574d0$e4b7af70$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <42B6125B.1070100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Dingle wrote: > What about this? (10 pancakes of GP9!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5782632273&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Great price! GP9 is the best tape currently made. Switch to Greedy Mode and grab it. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 17:47:53 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:47:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required Message-ID: Thanks all for your input on this issue, but especially to Mark with his invaluable advice on the Technics RS-BX501! - Mark, unfortunately I was using the Technics in auto-reverse mode quite a bit, so unfortunately that advice is a bit late for me... However - I have another Technics auto-reverse deck, a double deck from 1988 (can't remember model #) and even though having used that in A/R mode extensively for many years, it is still not suffering to any degree (well, at least, not to the extent of the RS-BX501!!) I had personally reckoned that the cause of the current problems with the RS-BX501 were down to some over-zealous head-cleaning by myself (with white spirit & also some lighter fluid...?) - you see I 'cleaned' the pinch rollers as well... thinking now I can see how I have probably f***ed up the rubber.... Do you think this is the case??? Speak soon, Ornette ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:41:25 +0200 From: "Mark Hugo" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good tape deck required The Technics RS-BX501 is an auto-reverse single well deck so it shares some transport and accuracy challenges with twin auto-reverse decks. It's speed control is good but the rotating head is subject to the same wear/disalignment problems as any auto-reverse machine. The best way to reduce/arrest this eventual effect is to never use it in the auto-reverse mode. Other than that, it is a rather nice sounding machine. However, be in no doubt that a properly serviced Nak BX-2 will show it a clean pair of heels. The level of clarity achieved in both recording and playback will be of a different and superior order to the Technics and, azimuth issues notwithstanding, will flatter your old recordings. Good luck. Marc >>>ornsman at hotmail.com 06/13/05 07:15PM >>> Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am slowly but surely transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My current tape deck ...... From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jun 20 11:02:23 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:02:23 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts Message-ID: <006b01c57576$c792bb00$0201a8c0@lan> Hi There, and greetings from New Zealand, I am dragging my collection of tape decks out of long term storage and I have a few of questions I would like to ask. Also, as I am new to this list, forgive me if they have been posted before :o) 1) Servicing: My 582Z is suffering from lazy pinch rollers, and intermittent meter reading when in calibration mode. All other functions are fine, as is record and playback once the pinch rollers have finally raised. Although this unit has had a 'long' life I like it and would like to restore it's functionality; so can anyone recommend a suitable service centre, (USA/UK/AUSTRALIA?), given that I cannot seem to find anyone in the Auckland area at least that wants to touch it!. If there are any other Kiwi's reading.. how do you make out for servicing?. In the meantime, I'll keep scouting around in NZ. 2) Parts: Fortunately, the rest of my kit all seem work OK, but I am curious as to opinions on parts availability.. especially as there is nothing available here in NZ. The original NZ Nak agents, WG Leatham seem to long disappeared. Drive belts is the first obvious one, as I may have to replace that on my 600 II sometime in the near future. 3) service manuals: I have manuals for most of my units, but cannot track down one for an RX202 ( and RX505), so any pointers as where I might go, (and being polite about it :o) ) thanks, regards, Martin PS: Message to Kermit: Yes, I would be interested in some calibration tapes too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 20 18:58:15 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:58:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts In-Reply-To: <006b01c57576$c792bb00$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <001601c575b9$41798650$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Martin, Well if you're serious about servicing on the UK then Bowers & Wilkins are the best people to take it to in the South of England (Worthing, West Sussex). Their web site states that they can still repair/service the 582 series but generally not the 600, but it is worth enquiring about that. They are very knowledgeable and very helpful. Their address is: Web site :- http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/nak%20home.htm Email: info at classic-nakamichi.com PHONE: +44 (0) 1903 695 695 FAX: +44 (0) 1903 264 160 Nakamichi Service is at: Bowers & Wilkins Ltd Littlehampton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN13 1QA Best of luck. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramvem at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 19:48:29 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:48:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] any interest in teac e-3? Message-ID: Hi Guys Looks like the only place left for teac demagnetizers is ebay. I couldn't find the teac e-3 new anywhere so I contacted the US office. They said it has been discontinued since March of this year. Talk about rotten timing :(. Anyway, I'm trying to get their help in getting hold of one from outside (if they're still making them). Is any of you interested in acquiring one? I'm having really rotten luck on the phone. They probably don't care since they don't carry it anymore. If there's enough interest I can write to them on our behalf and try to get a response. Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 19:55:31 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050620175531.85061.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I think that sealed it for the rubber parts. I cannot stress how gentle you have to be with cleaning heads. Not too much pressure, the right fluids, clean cotton tips.. My only Technics deck, is my much loved Technics M95, a 1979 model which was the most expensive in their line ( not counting the dual chassis ultimate model that cost as much as a 1000ZXL) and used a direct drive capstan. If you are archiving your cassettes, why don't you try reel to reels or even a cd-recorder? Transferring to PCs is going to waste every effort you put into playing the tapes in a deck like the Technics. You can play your tapes in a nasty cheap deck and the end sound from the pc won't be all that different. Bala --- Ornette Wilson wrote: > Thanks all for your input on this issue, > but especially to Mark with his invaluable advice on > the Technics RS-BX501! > > - Mark, unfortunately I was using the Technics in > auto-reverse mode quite a > bit, so unfortunately that advice is a bit late for > me... > > However - I have another Technics auto-reverse deck, > a double deck from 1988 > (can't remember model #) and even though having > used that in A/R mode > extensively for many years, it is still not > suffering to any degree (well, > at least, not to the extent of the RS-BX501!!) > > I had personally reckoned that the cause of the > current problems with the > RS-BX501 were down to some over-zealous > head-cleaning by myself (with white > spirit & also some lighter fluid...?) - you see I > 'cleaned' the pinch > rollers as well... thinking now I can see how I > have probably f***ed up the > rubber.... Do you think this is the case??? > > Speak soon, > Ornette > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:41:25 +0200 > From: "Mark Hugo" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good tape deck required > > > The Technics RS-BX501 is an auto-reverse single well > deck so it shares > some transport and accuracy challenges with twin > auto-reverse decks. > It's speed control is good but the rotating head is > subject to the same > wear/disalignment problems as any auto-reverse > machine. The best way to > reduce/arrest this eventual effect is to never use > it in the > auto-reverse mode. Other than that, it is a rather > nice sounding > machine. > > However, be in no doubt that a properly serviced Nak > BX-2 will show it > a clean pair of heels. The level of clarity > achieved in both recording > and playback will be of a different and superior > order to the Technics > and, azimuth issues notwithstanding, will flatter > your old recordings. > > Good luck. > > Marc > > > >>>ornsman at hotmail.com 06/13/05 07:15PM >>> > Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am > slowly but surely > transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My > current tape deck > ...... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 20:10:22 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:10:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required Message-ID: Hello all, I don't think I'll be buying that �115 second-hand BX-2 just now. (Mainly due to the fact that I don't have the money at the moment!) Just to get back to some of the responses given: Anthony and Alex have both suggested that the BX-2 is perhaps not really worth my while. True, if I am to get a Nakamichi then I 'spose I'd be best placed to get the best model I can. However, I can't say that I am at all willing to splash out $700 USD (just checked eBay!) just on a tape deck. �150 is about the kind of money I am willing to spend. I mean, I only want it for playback purposes(for mastering on to a computer). I don't want some kind of amazing recording machine! Maybe there are even some non-Nak cassette decks worth looking at. Are there perhaps any current models out there that might be suitable for my needs? One last thing - can someone please clarify this 'compatibility' issue? Would this be a problem for playing back non-Nak recorded tapes? Thanks a lot, Ornette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:47:37 EDT From: BADANTH at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good tape deck required To: naktalk at naks.com If the Technics was adequate for playback why not get another? If you seek a Nak I would suggest a Dragon or CR7 for their azimuth adjustability. I don't think you'll be happy with a BX2, I've got oneand older tapes don't sound the same. Good luck, Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:32:32 +0000 From: "Alex Cozac" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape deck required To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mr.. Wilson! You need a Nak "DRAGON"...because his automatic azimuth calibration...will deliver the maximum results from your oldies tapes! Looking for some cheaper line from Nak...is a waste of time & money! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: "Ornette Wilson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:15:53 +0000 > >Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am slowly but surely >transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My current tape deck has >been playing up recently (Technics RS-BX501, 1998 model), so I want to get >hold of another tape deck that will give good playback response. > >I have seen a BX-2 for sale recently and wondering whether it is worth >getting. However, I have read something about tape incompatibilities with >Nakamichi tape decks and I wonder whether this would be a problem. > >My tapes were all recorded on some cheapish tape decks (a Pioneer CT570[?] >and Technics TR-???) during the late 1980's & early 1990's. The quality on >them is not brilliant, but it's not terrible by any measure, and they are >all recordings of FM radio transmissions. Can anyone advise me on this >please? > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 20 20:57:31 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:57:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: <000901c5746c$9fd93770$c901a8c0@cn593434a> References: <42B33A68.9080303@woods-and-waters.com> <000901c5746c$9fd93770$c901a8c0@cn593434a> Message-ID: <42B7119B.60900@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Dean, Dean Bauer wrote: > First of all, Bravo on your dedication to the group!!!!! My thanks for the compliment. Hey, it's only fair. This group has been invaluable to me and I'm delighted to give back to it. > My 480, 582 and 680ZX are awaiting the arrival of your calibration tapes. > Count me in on your collection of numbered users. I'll be sure you're among the first to receive one. > I would usually insert some sort of humor here, but my Father-In-Law passed > away last week after an 8 week struggle in intensive care and I just got > back from his funeral service, so for the moment all of the humor is > missing. I will say however that the day was filled to the brim with love > and support from more than 130 of his loved ones, which made the day a > complete celebration of his generous life. Oh Dean, I'm sorry to hear that. Please accept my deepest condolences. You're fortunate to have the surroundings of love you experienced. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jun 20 20:58:21 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:58:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B711CD.1090405@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, David Thompson wrote: > I'll be interested to know cost of test tapes. I'm expecting the cost to be about $30.00 US, but you didn't hear it from me. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 20 21:02:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:02:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts In-Reply-To: <006b01c57576$c792bb00$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <002901c575ca$948adfe0$6b79893e@oemcomputer> Servicing ... in the UK, Bowers & Wilkin, but you may find someone closer to home. They may also offer parts but I seem to recall someone on he list previously mentioned a source in Singapore? Otherwise, you may be reduced to finding parrts by cannibalising other machines ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: 20 June 2005 10:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts Hi There, and greetings from New Zealand, I am dragging my collection of tape decks out of long term storage and I have a few of questions I would like to ask. Also, as I am new to this list, forgive me if they have been posted before :o) 1) Servicing: My 582Z is suffering from lazy pinch rollers, and intermittent meter reading when in calibration mode. All other functions are fine, as is record and playback once the pinch rollers have finally raised. Although this unit has had a 'long' life I like it and would like to restore it's functionality; so can anyone recommend a suitable service centre, (USA/UK/AUSTRALIA?), given that I cannot seem to find anyone in the Auckland area at least that wants to touch it!. If there are any other Kiwi's reading.. how do you make out for servicing?. In the meantime, I'll keep scouting around in NZ. 2) Parts: Fortunately, the rest of my kit all seem work OK, but I am curious as to opinions on parts availability.. especially as there is nothing available here in NZ. The original NZ Nak agents, WG Leatham seem to long disappeared. Drive belts is the first obvious one, as I may have to replace that on my 600 II sometime in the near future. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although this unit has had a 'long' life I like it and would like to restore it's functionality; so can anyone recommend a suitable service centre, (USA/UK/AUSTRALIA?), given that I cannot seem to find anyone in the Auckland area at least that wants to touch it!. If there are any other Kiwi's reading.. how do you make out for servicing?. In the meantime, I'll keep scouting around in NZ. 2) Parts: Fortunately, the rest of my kit all seem work OK, but I am curious as to opinions on parts availability.. especially as there is nothing available here in NZ. The original NZ Nak agents, WG Leatham seem to long disappeared. Drive belts is the first obvious one, as I may have to replace that on my 600 II sometime in the near future. 3) service manuals: I have manuals for most of my units, but cannot track down one for an RX202 ( and RX505), so any pointers as where I might go, (and being polite about it :o) ) thanks, regards, Martin PS: Message to Kermit: Yes, I would be interested in some calibration tapes too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Tue Jun 21 00:33:02 2005 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:33:02 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts In-Reply-To: <006b01c57576$c792bb00$0201a8c0@lan> References: <006b01c57576$c792bb00$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050621102902.0355eb98@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi Martin I'm from NZ too! (Dunedin) On the recommendation of another NZ list member (Donald Sangster) I'm going to try Axent Audio in Auckland for fixing my azimuth adjustment problem on my CR7. They are apparently known for the quality of their work. The contact details he gave me are: 25 Portage Road, New Lynn, Auckland ph 09 837 1220, fax 09 826 0302 Hope this is of help Brett At 09:02 p.m. 20/06/2005, you wrote: >Hi There, and greetings from New Zealand, > >I am dragging my collection of tape decks out of long term storage and I >have a few of questions I would like to ask. Also, as I am new to this >list, forgive me if they have been posted before :o) > >1) Servicing: > >My 582Z is suffering from lazy pinch rollers, and intermittent meter >reading when in calibration mode. All other functions are fine, as is >record and playback once the pinch rollers have finally raised. Although >this unit has had a 'long' life I like it and would like to restore it's >functionality; so can anyone recommend a suitable service >centre, (USA/UK/AUSTRALIA?), given that I cannot seem to find anyone in >the Auckland area at least that wants to touch it!. If there are any other >Kiwi's reading.. how do you make out for servicing?. In the meantime, I'll >keep scouting around in NZ. > >2) Parts: > >Fortunately, the rest of my kit all seem work OK, but I am curious as to >opinions on parts availability.. especially as there is nothing available >here in NZ. The original NZ Nak agents, WG Leatham seem to long >disappeared. Drive belts is the first obvious one, as I may have to >replace that on my 600 II sometime in the near future. > >3) service manuals: > >I have manuals for most of my units, but cannot track down one for an >RX202 ( and RX505), so any pointers as where I might go, (and being polite >about it :o) ) > > >thanks, regards, > >Martin > >PS: > >Message to Kermit: > >Yes, I would be interested in some calibration tapes too. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 02:06:30 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts In-Reply-To: <002901c575ca$948adfe0$6b79893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050621000630.20641.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you are looking at Singapore, then thats me. --- Nelson wrote: > Servicing ... in the UK, Bowers & Wilkin, but you > may find someone closer to > home. They may also offer parts but I seem to > recall someone on he list > previously mentioned a source in Singapore? > Otherwise, you may be reduced > to finding parrts by cannibalising other machines > ... > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Martin Short > Sent: 20 June 2005 10:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts > > > Hi There, and greetings from New Zealand, > > I am dragging my collection of tape decks out of > long term storage and I > have a few of questions I would like to ask. Also, > as I am new to this list, > forgive me if they have been posted before :o) > > 1) Servicing: > > My 582Z is suffering from lazy pinch rollers, and > intermittent meter > reading when in calibration mode. All other > functions are fine, as is record > and playback once the pinch rollers have finally > raised. Although this unit > has had a 'long' life I like it and would like to > restore it's > functionality; so can anyone recommend a suitable > service centre, > (USA/UK/AUSTRALIA?), given that I cannot seem to > find anyone in the Auckland > area at least that wants to touch it!. If there are > any other Kiwi's > reading.. how do you make out for servicing?. In the > meantime, I'll keep > scouting around in NZ. > > 2) Parts: > > Fortunately, the rest of my kit all seem work OK, > but I am curious as to > opinions on parts availability.. especially as there > is nothing available > here in NZ. The original NZ Nak agents, WG Leatham > seem to long disappeared. > Drive belts is the first obvious one, as I may have > to replace that on my > 600 II sometime in the near future. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Tue Jun 21 02:53:29 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:53:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: <000601c575fb$a4a16990$8891a20c@guerrero> hello Naktalkers,my post concerns the low end budget type tape head de-magnetizers.I have several of the older low end wand type units.A couple are from Radio Shack,and one or two from other companies.I even have two of the cassette shell type demagnetizers from up untill last year,when they were discontinued.I really cannot see why these units would be manufactured if they did not woork.Many posts from the nNaltalk archives indicate that the only tape head demag. unit to use is a the professional model units used by some of you Nakkers.I have also had some input from the best techs saying that these low end demag. units( even the 10.00 cassette type) are OK to use.I am dismayed and perplexed by the contradictory opinions regarding these Demag. units.Thanks..P.S. , next post- Re; bulk tape erasers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 04:16:28 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:16:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required Message-ID: Shalom dear Ornette! BTW...my passed away Daddy, always teach me...my lovely Alex..."NO FREE MEALS"...so Ornette, if you are looking for a cheap "Solution"....forget your decision to transfer cassettes "DO IT 100% RIGHT"...as faithfully as possible with an a "Second or more hand deck machine"...which be 100% sure again that the seller...WILL NEVER told you the whole truth..."WHY"...he is selling his deck. And...after that you will "Discover"...that your "Good"...it's in some way defective...only after that you will begin paying "THE DIFFERENCES AMONG A NEW VERSUS YOUR CRAPPY DECK". Concerning the compatibly...depends IF your older deck was "Head/s alignment UNTOUCHED!", & or any other if Nakamichi or other brand it's 100% same. If was "Screws moved"...with no checking, using neccesary cassettes alignment...will be a "Crap"...cost you money sending your deck for alignment...for SUCH reason...I reconmend you the same deck from Nakamichi that I own "Dragon". I really hope, dear Ornette; that I make myself clearly comprehended..as my native language is Spanish! Good Luck! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Ornette Wilson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:10:22 +0000 > >Hello all, > >I don't think I'll be buying that �115 second-hand BX-2 just now. >(Mainly due to the fact that I don't have the money at the moment!) > >Just to get back to some of the responses given: >Anthony and Alex have both suggested that the BX-2 is perhaps not really >worth my while. True, if I am to get a Nakamichi then I 'spose I'd be best >placed to get the best model I can. However, I can't say that I am at all >willing to splash out $700 USD (just checked eBay!) just on a tape deck. > >�150 is about the kind of money I am willing to spend. I mean, I only want >it for playback purposes(for mastering on to a computer). I don't want >some kind of amazing recording machine! > >Maybe there are even some non-Nak cassette decks worth looking at. Are >there perhaps any current models out there that might be suitable for my >needs? > >One last thing - can someone please clarify this 'compatibility' issue? >Would this be a problem for playing back non-Nak recorded tapes? > >Thanks a lot, >Ornette > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:47:37 EDT >From: BADANTH at aol.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >To: naktalk at naks.com > >If the Technics was adequate for playback why not get another? If you seek >a >Nak I would suggest a Dragon or CR7 for their azimuth adjustability. I >don't >think you'll be happy with a BX2, I've got oneand older tapes don't sound >the >same. > >Good luck, >Anthony >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:32:32 +0000 >From: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Hi Mr.. Wilson! > >You need a Nak "DRAGON"...because his automatic azimuth calibration...will >deliver the maximum results from your oldies tapes! Looking for some >cheaper >line from Nak...is a waste of time & money! > >Good Luck! > >ALEX! > > >>From: "Ornette Wilson" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Good tape deck required >>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:15:53 +0000 >> >>Can anyone advise - I have a heap of tapes that I am slowly but surely >>transferring onto my computer, in .WAV format. My current tape deck has >>been playing up recently (Technics RS-BX501, 1998 model), so I want to get >>hold of another tape deck that will give good playback response. >> >>I have seen a BX-2 for sale recently and wondering whether it is worth >>getting. However, I have read something about tape incompatibilities with >>Nakamichi tape decks and I wonder whether this would be a problem. >> >>My tapes were all recorded on some cheapish tape decks (a Pioneer CT570[?] >>and Technics TR-???) during the late 1980's & early 1990's. The quality >>on them is not brilliant, but it's not terrible by any measure, and they >>are all recordings of FM radio transmissions. Can anyone advise me on >>this please? >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 04:28:19 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:28:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] any interest in teac e-3? Message-ID: Dear Ram! An a "Stupid" question...? WHY to "WANT SO DESPERATE"...a Teak demagnetizer??????? Order from RB. ANNIS one newer...the "Ultimate" demagnetizer in the whole world (Ask a second opinion from Kermit...!)...instead looking for a "Crap" from eBay? ALEX! >From: "Ram Vemuri" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] any interest in teac e-3? >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:48:29 -0700 > >Hi Guys >Looks like the only place left for teac demagnetizers is ebay. I couldn't >find the teac e-3 new anywhere so I contacted the US office. They said it >has been discontinued since March of this year. Talk about rotten timing >:(. >Anyway, I'm trying to get their help in getting hold of one from outside >(if they're still making them). Is any of you interested in acquiring one? >I'm having really rotten luck on the phone. They probably don't care since >they don't carry it anymore. If there's enough interest I can write to them >on our behalf and try to get a response. > >Best Regards, >-- Ram Vemuri >(ramvem at hotmail.com) > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jun 21 07:26:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:26:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought Message-ID: <42B7A517.8040506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi fellow Nakkers, I've been having trouble finding some Nakamichi manuals: 1. 500 Operator's Manual I just scored a 500 on eBay in flawless condition for $49.95 USD. Love 500s! I've been wanting one to replace the one I had to sell off in 1999. These little guys are so cool with their three mic inputs, straight-line faders, four little brushed aluminum toggle switches all in a neat row, and... and.... VU meters with dancing needles -- gotta have real meters with real needles that dance to the music. ("See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing queen...." Yeah, she had VU meters! That's why she could dance!) Don't forget the mic/line mixing and excellent limiter. Plus the 500 is a top loader. Plus the groovy counter-culture oh-so-proper theater black cabinet with the white enamel end panels. No bourgeouis brushed aluminum with walnut veneer cabinet - or black sheet metal with big tacky screws on the sides. No siree. Proper verbage on the labeling too. No mere two head, these 500s. Nope. Dual-Tracer they proudly proclaim, with, mind you read this well, "Focused Gap Crystal Permalloy" -- emblazoned with groovy logo depicting either the head or a nice flashback -- just below the cassette door, which itself is a proper job in see-through smoked grey plastic. Right on! Power to the people! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it. Heavy cool factor. Oh yeah, I love these old 500s! Just let me get my fuzzy dice out to hang off the microphone stand's cleat.... 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to upgrade some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as some say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are an NAD and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I really do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, but these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get the email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide to deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they don't send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell the manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. Service is a lost art in the USA, I fear. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 14:14:40 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought In-Reply-To: <42B7A517.8040506@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050621121440.12065.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try German site - listed in Scott Jonson' site - look in to his postings where he lists his nak info URL. He had done a wonderful job of collecting the jem from Naktalk posts - yeah for your Service manual ! Actually nakamichi CD player 2 is muc better sounding player worth investing about 100 $ on working player off ebay. If you do not want 7 disc part giving mech trouble try using them as single disc. Kannan "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi fellow Nakkers, I've been having trouble finding some Nakamichi manuals: 1. 500 Operator's Manual I just scored a 500 on eBay in flawless condition for $49.95 USD. Love 500s! I've been wanting one to replace the one I had to sell off in 1999. These little guys are so cool with their three mic inputs, straight-line faders, four little brushed aluminum toggle switches all in a neat row, and... and.... VU meters with dancing needles -- gotta have real meters with real needles that dance to the music. ("See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing queen...." Yeah, she had VU meters! That's why she could dance!) Don't forget the mic/line mixing and excellent limiter. Plus the 500 is a top loader. Plus the groovy counter-culture oh-so-proper theater black cabinet with the white enamel end panels. No bourgeouis brushed aluminum with walnut veneer cabinet - or black sheet metal with big tacky screws on the sides. No siree. Proper verbage on the labeling too. No mere two head, these 500s. Nope. Dual-Tracer they proudly proclaim, with, mind you read this well, "Focused Gap Crystal Permalloy" -- emblazoned with groovy logo depicting either the head or a nice flashback -- just below the cassette door, which itself is a proper job in see-through smoked grey plastic. Right on! Power to the people! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it. Heavy cool factor. Oh yeah, I love these old 500s! Just let me get my fuzzy dice out to hang off the microphone stand's cleat.... 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to upgrade some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as some say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are an NAD and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I really do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, but these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get the email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide to deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they don't send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell the manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. Service is a lost art in the USA, I fear. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craham at wanadoo.fr Tue Jun 21 10:50:06 2005 From: craham at wanadoo.fr (Robert Southern) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:50:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Trouble-shooting CR-7 fault. Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.1.20050621103853.01a4ec20@pop.wanadoo.fr> G' day folks, Very many thanks to those kind souls who have offered an opinion on my CR-7 malfuntion; Roland, Fuad and Henk. Much appreciated indeed. I' ll take it back to Bowers & Wilkins next week and will report back when they' ve worked their magic on the wondrous beast. Thanks again. Cheers, Rob From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Jun 21 12:52:01 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:52:01 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] repairs & and parts.. a thank you Message-ID: <002401c5764f$413ae580$0201a8c0@lan> Hi Everyone, Thanks to Shaun, Gra' and everyone that responded to my query about Nakamichi parts and servicing, very much appreciated. Actually, I have to admit to feeling a bit of a goose, having shortly after discovered Mr Bleus' site and then onto Scott Johnson's geocities site, which essentially has most of the answers.( leaping before you look??) I have looked at Bowers and Wilkins in the UK after the positive comments I have read on this list in recent times, but after researching freight/postage options there and back, it just wasn't economic for my 582Z. Thanks to also to Donald in NZ.. I had forgotten about Axent Audio over in Westyville. I'll contact them, and I am often out that way on business so it will be easy to drop the unit in. regards to all Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 15:22:12 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:22:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: Shalom Gerald! My second post in this matter! Exist ONLY & ONLY one that is the "BEST"...made in USA..., it's the R.B ANNIS Hand-d-mag, which can be acquired also 236 for Europe (PS...Only came with US type mains plug...so you may need an a adapter for your country!). Stop looking for "Craps"...Please! Sincerely, ALEX! >From: "Gerald Guerrero" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:53:29 -0500 > >hello Naktalkers,my post concerns the low end budget type tape head >de-magnetizers.I have several of the older low end wand type units.A couple >are from Radio Shack,and one or two from other companies.I even have two of >the cassette shell type demagnetizers from up untill last year,when they >were discontinued.I really cannot see why these units would be manufactured >if they did not woork.Many posts from the nNaltalk archives indicate that >the only tape head demag. unit to use is a the professional model units >used by some of you Nakkers.I have also had some input from the best techs >saying that these low end demag. units( even the 10.00 cassette type) are >OK to use.I am dismayed and perplexed by the contradictory opinions >regarding these Demag. units.Thanks..P.S. , next post- Re; bulk tape >erasers >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 15:33:33 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:33:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought In-Reply-To: <20050621121440.12065.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <42B7A517.8040506@woods-and-waters.com> <20050621121440.12065.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b1050621063348923466@mail.gmail.com> www.schaltungsdienst.de On 6/21/05, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Try German site - listed in Scott Jonson' site - look in to his postings > where he lists his nak info URL. He had done a wonderful job of collecting > the jem from Naktalk posts > - yeah for your Service manual ! > Actually nakamichi CD player 2 is muc better sounding player worth investing > about 100 $ on working player off ebay. If you do not want 7 disc part > giving mech trouble try using them as single disc. > Kannan > > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi fellow Nakkers, > > I've been having trouble finding some Nakamichi manuals: > > 1. 500 Operator's Manual > > I just scored a 500 on eBay in flawless condition for $49.95 USD. Love > 500s! I've been wanting one to replace the one I had to sell off in > 1999. These little guys are so cool with their three mic inputs, > straight-line faders, four little brushed aluminum toggle switches all > in a neat row, and... > > and.... > > VU meters with dancing needles -- gotta have real meters with real > needles that dance to the music. ("See that girl, watch that scene, dig > in the dancing queen...." Yeah, she had VU meters! That's why she could > dance!) > > Don't forget the mic/line mixing and excellent limiter. Plus the 500 is > a top loader. Plus the groovy counter-culture oh-so-proper theater black > cabinet with the white enamel end panels! . No bourgeouis brushed aluminum > with walnut veneer cabinet - or black sheet metal with big tacky screws > on the sides. No siree. > > Proper verbage on the labeling too. No mere two head, these 500s. Nope. > Dual-Tracer they proudly proclaim, with, mind you read this well, > "Focused Gap Crystal Permalloy" -- emblazoned with groovy logo depicting > either the head or a nice flashback -- just below the cassette door, > which itself is a proper job in see-through smoked grey plastic. Right > on! Power to the people! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it. > > Heavy cool factor. Oh yeah, I love these old 500s! Just let me get my > fuzzy dice out to hang off the microphone stand's cleat.... > > 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. > > I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to upgrade > some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as some > say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are an NAD > and! a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I really > do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. > > I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, but > these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no > shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get the > email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide to > deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they don't > send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell the > manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. Service is > a lost art in the USA, I fear. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 17:19:01 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought In-Reply-To: <20050621121440.12065.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050621151901.87516.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> My site is http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html An scroll down to Nakamichi Service Manuals near the end SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Try German site - listed in Scott Jonson' site - look in to his > postings where he lists his nak info URL. He had done a wonderful > job of collecting the jem from Naktalk posts > - yeah for your Service manual ! > Actually nakamichi CD player 2 is muc better sounding player worth > investing about 100 $ on working player off ebay. If you do not > want 7 disc part giving mech trouble try using them as single disc. > > Kannan > > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi fellow Nakkers, > > I've been having trouble finding some Nakamichi manuals: > > 1. 500 Operator's Manual > > I just scored a 500 on eBay in flawless condition for $49.95 USD. > Love > 500s! I've been wanting one to replace the one I had to sell off in > > 1999. These little guys are so cool with their three mic inputs, > straight-line faders, four little brushed aluminum toggle switches > all > in a neat row, and... > > and.... > > VU meters with dancing needles -- gotta have real meters with real > needles that dance to the music. ("See that girl, watch that scene, > dig > in the dancing queen...." Yeah, she had VU meters! That's why she > could > dance!) > > Don't forget the mic/line mixing and excellent limiter. Plus the > 500 is > a top loader. Plus the groovy counter-culture oh-so-proper theater > black > cabinet with the white enamel end panels. No bourgeouis brushed > aluminum > with walnut veneer cabinet - or black sheet metal with big tacky > screws > on the sides. No siree. > > Proper verbage on the labeling too. No mere two head, these 500s. > Nope. > Dual-Tracer they proudly proclaim, with, mind you read this well, > "Focused Gap Crystal Permalloy" -- emblazoned with groovy logo > depicting > either the head or a nice flashback -- just below the cassette > door, > which itself is a proper job in see-through smoked grey plastic. > Right > on! Power to the people! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it. > > Heavy cool factor. Oh yeah, I love these old 500s! Just let me get > my > fuzzy dice out to hang off the microphone stand's cleat.... > > 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. > > I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to > upgrade > some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as > some > say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are > an NAD > and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I > really > do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. > > I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, > but > these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no > shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get > the > email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide > to > deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they > don't > send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell > the > manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. > Service is > a lost art in the USA, I fear. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From flifton at mac.com Tue Jun 21 19:25:36 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:25:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 manual In-Reply-To: <200506211000.j5LA04b3031194@zxe.naks.com> References: <200506211000.j5LA04b3031194@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8f77c7dafaed107af445a30125b97999@mac.com> Speaking of manuals, I seem to have lost my CR3 owner's manual. Stupid of me. Anyone have one by chance? thanks, Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 21:32:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:32:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought In-Reply-To: <20050621151901.87516.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Scott! Seems me that you "Forgot"....during 1981/2 the legendary 1000 Turntable, and after that the Dragon turntable on your list.....Please add such lovely & expensive/rare items! Be well!!! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) > >My site is >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >An scroll down to Nakamichi Service Manuals near the end > >SJ >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > Try German site - listed in Scott Jonson' site - look in to his > > postings where he lists his nak info URL. He had done a wonderful > > job of collecting the jem from Naktalk posts > > - yeah for your Service manual ! > > Actually nakamichi CD player 2 is muc better sounding player worth > > investing about 100 $ on working player off ebay. If you do not > > want 7 disc part giving mech trouble try using them as single disc. > > > > Kannan > > > > > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > Hi fellow Nakkers, > > > > I've been having trouble finding some Nakamichi manuals: > > > > 1. 500 Operator's Manual > > > > I just scored a 500 on eBay in flawless condition for $49.95 USD. > > Love > > 500s! I've been wanting one to replace the one I had to sell off in > > > > 1999. These little guys are so cool with their three mic inputs, > > straight-line faders, four little brushed aluminum toggle switches > > all > > in a neat row, and... > > > > and.... > > > > VU meters with dancing needles -- gotta have real meters with real > > needles that dance to the music. ("See that girl, watch that scene, > > dig > > in the dancing queen...." Yeah, she had VU meters! That's why she > > could > > dance!) > > > > Don't forget the mic/line mixing and excellent limiter. Plus the > > 500 is > > a top loader. Plus the groovy counter-culture oh-so-proper theater > > black > > cabinet with the white enamel end panels. No bourgeouis brushed > > aluminum > > with walnut veneer cabinet - or black sheet metal with big tacky > > screws > > on the sides. No siree. > > > > Proper verbage on the labeling too. No mere two head, these 500s. > > Nope. > > Dual-Tracer they proudly proclaim, with, mind you read this well, > > "Focused Gap Crystal Permalloy" -- emblazoned with groovy logo > > depicting > > either the head or a nice flashback -- just below the cassette > > door, > > which itself is a proper job in see-through smoked grey plastic. > > Right > > on! Power to the people! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it. > > > > Heavy cool factor. Oh yeah, I love these old 500s! Just let me get > > my > > fuzzy dice out to hang off the microphone stand's cleat.... > > > > 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. > > > > I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to > > upgrade > > some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as > > some > > say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are > > an NAD > > and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I > > really > > do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. > > > > I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, > > but > > these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no > > shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get > > the > > email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide > > to > > deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they > > don't > > send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell > > the > > manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. > > Service is > > a lost art in the USA, I fear. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > > info > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 21 22:29:27 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:29:27 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] repairs & and parts.. a thank you References: <002401c5764f$413ae580$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <005901c5769f$ebe13610$2a1a98de@tec> Cheers Martin I bought a new head for my Nak 600 from B+W, and Axent set it all up for me. So if you need parts, still try B+W or get Axent to go to them. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Short To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] repairs & and parts.. a thank you Hi Everyone, Thanks to Shaun, Gra' and everyone that responded to my query about Nakamichi parts and servicing, very much appreciated. Actually, I have to admit to feeling a bit of a goose, having shortly after discovered Mr Bleus' site and then onto Scott Johnson's geocities site, which essentially has most of the answers.( leaping before you look??) I have looked at Bowers and Wilkins in the UK after the positive comments I have read on this list in recent times, but after researching freight/postage options there and back, it just wasn't economic for my 582Z. Thanks to also to Donald in NZ.. I had forgotten about Axent Audio over in Westyville. I'll contact them, and I am often out that way on business so it will be easy to drop the unit in. regards to all Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 02:08:54 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050622000854.73499.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I agree here with Alex. A demag is a serious piece of equipment. If it gives up or malfunctions when we are using it, especially near the heads, thats SERIOUS trouble! Also, not all of them are equal and the better ones are more consistent in their effectiveness. --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Gerald! > > My second post in this matter! > > Exist ONLY & ONLY one that is the "BEST"...made in > USA..., it's the R.B > ANNIS Hand-d-mag, which can be acquired also 236 for > Europe (PS...Only came > with US type mains plug...so you may need an a > adapter for your country!). > > Stop looking for "Craps"...Please! > > Sincerely, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: "Gerald Guerrero" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:53:29 -0500 > > > >hello Naktalkers,my post concerns the low end > budget type tape head > >de-magnetizers.I have several of the older low end > wand type units.A couple > >are from Radio Shack,and one or two from other > companies.I even have two of > >the cassette shell type demagnetizers from up > untill last year,when they > >were discontinued.I really cannot see why these > units would be manufactured > >if they did not woork.Many posts from the nNaltalk > archives indicate that > >the only tape head demag. unit to use is a the > professional model units > >used by some of you Nakkers.I have also had some > input from the best techs > >saying that these low end demag. units( even the > 10.00 cassette type) are > >OK to use.I am dismayed and perplexed by the > contradictory opinions > >regarding these Demag. units.Thanks..P.S. , next > post- Re; bulk tape > >erasers > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jun 22 09:47:36 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <20050622000854.73499.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello all, Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with regards to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. What differentiates a good one from a bad one? Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 June 2005 01:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Hi, I agree here with Alex. A demag is a serious piece of equipment. If it gives up or malfunctions when we are using it, especially near the heads, thats SERIOUS trouble! Also, not all of them are equal and the better ones are more consistent in their effectiveness. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 22 11:18:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:18:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: Hi...Bala! We already know the whole truth...with "Crap" demag...! Also...my dear Gerald...; you mostly acquire only ONCE a Demag...& will last for many years...so please go forward for the BEST one...will serve you back super well! Post us your results! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:08:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > > I agree here with Alex. A demag is a serious piece >of equipment. If it gives up or malfunctions when we >are using it, especially near the heads, thats SERIOUS >trouble! Also, not all of them are equal and the >better ones are more consistent in their >effectiveness. > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom Gerald! > > > > My second post in this matter! > > > > Exist ONLY & ONLY one that is the "BEST"...made in > > USA..., it's the R.B > > ANNIS Hand-d-mag, which can be acquired also 236 for > > Europe (PS...Only came > > with US type mains plug...so you may need an a > > adapter for your country!). > > > > Stop looking for "Craps"...Please! > > > > Sincerely, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Gerald Guerrero" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: > > >Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:53:29 -0500 > > > > > >hello Naktalkers,my post concerns the low end > > budget type tape head > > >de-magnetizers.I have several of the older low end > > wand type units.A couple > > >are from Radio Shack,and one or two from other > > companies.I even have two of > > >the cassette shell type demagnetizers from up > > untill last year,when they > > >were discontinued.I really cannot see why these > > units would be manufactured > > >if they did not woork.Many posts from the nNaltalk > > archives indicate that > > >the only tape head demag. unit to use is a the > > professional model units > > >used by some of you Nakkers.I have also had some > > input from the best techs > > >saying that these low end demag. units( even the > > 10.00 cassette type) are > > >OK to use.I am dismayed and perplexed by the > > contradictory opinions > > >regarding these Demag. units.Thanks..P.S. , next > > post- Re; bulk tape > > >erasers > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Jun 22 20:29:50 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:29:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 Message-ID: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> Hi Kermit, I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I also have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the cd player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" and use an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the back, and if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to bring out an SPDIF compatible digital output. I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as well. I believe the signal path and related components are the same for OMS7 (maybe also for 5ii and 7ii). There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter (SAA7030) improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB so that 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced audio. I can scan couple pages if you want. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >"Kermit V. Gray" wrote: 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to upgrade some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as some say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are an NAD and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I really do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, but these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get the email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide to deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they don't send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell the manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. Service is a lost art in the USA, I fear. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info < From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 22 21:53:13 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:53:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> References: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <42B9C1A9.4000509@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fuad! Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. That gives pause for thought. Compudude wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I also > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the cd > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" and use > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the back, and > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to bring out > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as well. I > believe the signal path and related components are the same for OMS7 (maybe > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter (SAA7030) > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB so that > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced audio. > > I can scan couple pages if you want. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 22 22:06:02 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:06:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B9C4AA.2060008@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doug, Doug Locke wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with regards > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and guides tend to pick up magnetism from the tapes you're playing and rewinding over time. This magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on your tapes as well as create additional noise on playback/record. The magnetic fields can actually get strong enough to make proper calibration of your deck very difficult and make what should be quiet recording quite hissy. A good head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used on the entire tape path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It takes a fairly powerful demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly erase these parts, as the small pencil type units simply aren't strong enough to demagnetize steel parts." Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use because each unit has slight variations of the basic procedure. > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times where it is NOT a good idea to buy cheaply. I have several demagnetizers: the Annis Han D Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand type and a typical cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on eBay or various web sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the others. I don't know why I keep the others because I use only the Annis. By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch reel-to-reel, you NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the other demagnetizers are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape decks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 22 22:19:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:19:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <000601c575fb$a4a16990$8891a20c@guerrero> References: <000601c575fb$a4a16990$8891a20c@guerrero> Message-ID: <42B9C7E3.5010301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gerald, Hope things are well for you. Gerald Guerrero wrote: > I have several of the older low end wand type units.A > couple are from Radio Shack,and one or two from other companies.I even > have two of the cassette shell type demagnetizers from up untill last > year,when they were discontinued.I really cannot see why these units > would be manufactured if they did not woork. Because companies don't care if they work, they only care about selling things. They know that most buyers do not have pro level knoledge and will believe the ad literature of these units at face value, often without question. So, people buy them and never know the units do not work well, because after all, they hum and light up and the manual says they work, so they must work right? > Many posts from the nNaltalk > archives indicate that the only tape head demag. unit to use is a the > professional model units used by some of you Nakkers. Smart Nakkers! > I have also had > some input from the best techs saying that these low end demag. units( > even the 10.00 cassette type) are OK to use. Do these techs sell similar units by any chance? Many do. I was a service tech at one time. Our boss told us NOT to contradict what a customer believes or what the customer wanted to hear UNLESS the equipment would be damaged by what the customer believed. The reason? You wanted to keep the customer happy and make him feel he was smart because you, the tech, comfirmed what he believed. I disobeyed the order and told the customer what was RIGHT, regardless, I just did it diplomatically. This habit and a mistake I made on a customer's Nak 700 (I soldered all the PCBs into the sockets of his deck because it had been in the shop three times before for loose PCB connectors, but Nakamichi didn't approve the "modification") cost me my job as a service tech. BY THE WAY, I'm not implying that all techs lie to customers, but in some instances the shop policy is similar to that of what I had to work under. Also, not all techs are knowledgeable about all aspects of audio. Hey, I worked on Naks as aservice tech and didn't know they used different EQ from other decks UNTIL I joined this group. And I was a good service tech with pro audio experience most techs do not have!. > I am dismayed and perplexed > by the contradictory opinions regarding these Demag. I share your dismay. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 03:46:52 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List In-Reply-To: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <20050623014652.73128.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys. Check out the list of Nakamichi Products that I have compiled. If you see any omission please let me know and I will add it to the list. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html Scott J. --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I > also > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the > cd > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" > and use > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the > back, and > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to > bring out > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) > titled > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as > well. I > believe the signal path and related components are the same for > OMS7 (maybe > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The > most > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter > (SAA7030) > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB > so that > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced > audio. > > I can scan couple pages if you want. > > _Fuad > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >"Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > > 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. > > I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to > upgrade > some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as > some > say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are > an NAD > and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I > really > do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. > > I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, > but > these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no > shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get > the > email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide > to > deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they > don't > send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell > the > manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. > Service is > a lost art in the USA, I fear. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 10:16:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <42B9C7E3.5010301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050623081615.51095.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit and Gerald, Thats a very interesting discussion, and reflects the very situation I am going through. I have been forwarned that my contract is ending this August and my company isn't keen on renewing it. The reasons is pretty simple. My company makes machines used by companies to build hard-disk drives. And these are big industry names. Many of the steel components were not machined to specifications and have started to corrode even before the machines have left the plant for the customers' factory! In highlighting them, some serious mistakes made be the engineers were brought to light. Not being the whistle-blowing type, I quietly brought this to the attention of my supervisor. He in turn held a discssion with the very engineers who made mistakes and decided I had to go. I just have this sinking feeling that, faith, reliability, quality of work and performance are things that usually tend to work against us in the arena of office politics. Sadly, Nakamichis are a testament to the great results that can be achieved, when bosses recognise such qualities in the men who work for them. Regards Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Gerald, > > Hope things are well for you. > > Gerald Guerrero wrote: > > I have several of the older low end wand type > units.A > > couple are from Radio Shack,and one or two from > other companies.I even > > have two of the cassette shell type demagnetizers > from up untill last > > year,when they were discontinued.I really cannot > see why these units > > would be manufactured if they did not woork. > > Because companies don't care if they work, they only > care about selling > things. They know that most buyers do not have pro > level knoledge and > will believe the ad literature of these units at > face value, often > without question. So, people buy them and never know > the units do not > work well, because after all, they hum and light up > and the manual says > they work, so they must work right? > > > Many posts from the nNaltalk > > archives indicate that the only tape head demag. > unit to use is a the > > professional model units used by some of you > Nakkers. > > Smart Nakkers! > > > I have also had > > some input from the best techs saying that these > low end demag. units( > > even the 10.00 cassette type) are OK to use. > > Do these techs sell similar units by any chance? > Many do. > > I was a service tech at one time. Our boss told us > NOT to contradict > what a customer believes or what the customer wanted > to hear UNLESS the > equipment would be damaged by what the customer > believed. The reason? > You wanted to keep the customer happy and make him > feel he was smart > because you, the tech, comfirmed what he believed. I > disobeyed the order > and told the customer what was RIGHT, regardless, I > just did it > diplomatically. This habit and a mistake I made on a > customer's Nak 700 > (I soldered all the PCBs into the sockets of his > deck because it had > been in the shop three times before for loose PCB > connectors, but > Nakamichi didn't approve the "modification") cost me > my job as a service > tech. > > BY THE WAY, I'm not implying that all techs lie to > customers, but in > some instances the shop policy is similar to that of > what I had to work > under. > > Also, not all techs are knowledgeable about all > aspects of audio. Hey, I > worked on Naks as aservice tech and didn't know > they used different EQ > from other decks UNTIL I joined this group. And I > was a good service > tech with pro audio experience most techs do not > have!. > > > > I am dismayed and perplexed > > by the contradictory opinions regarding these > Demag. > > I share your dismay. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 10:18:45 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <42B9C4AA.2060008@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050623081846.49839.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, How about the Akai models? I have one of those two prong types, 1973 vintage. Everytime I take it out of its yellowed box, I admire because this thing has worked on everything from a measely Sony portable right up to the 1000ZXL, faithfully for 32 years! --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Doug, > > Doug Locke wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a > demagnetiser work with regards > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to > use one. > > US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and > guides tend to pick up > magnetism from the tapes you're playing and > rewinding over time. This > magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on > your tapes as well as > create additional noise on playback/record. The > magnetic fields can > actually get strong enough to make proper > calibration of your deck very > difficult and make what should be quiet recording > quite hissy. A good > head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used > on the entire tape > path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It takes > a fairly powerful > demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly erase > these parts, as the > small pencil type units simply aren't strong enough > to demagnetize steel > parts." > > Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use > because each unit has > slight variations of the basic procedure. > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? > > STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It > really is that simple. > The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a > bit. > > Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times > where it is NOT a > good idea to buy cheaply. I have several > demagnetizers: the Annis Han D > Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand > type and a typical > cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on > eBay or various web > sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the > others. I don't know > why I keep the others because I use only the Annis. > > By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch > reel-to-reel, you > NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the > other demagnetizers > are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape decks! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 10:20:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:20:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: Kermit...Today; you, made my "Healthy" day!!!!!! >>Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times where it is NOT >a good idea to buy cheaply. God will bless you for Ever! Truly...! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:06:02 -0500 > >Hi Doug, > >Doug Locke wrote: >>Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with regards >>to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. > >US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and guides tend to pick up >magnetism from the tapes you're playing and rewinding over time. This >magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on your tapes as well as >create additional noise on playback/record. The magnetic fields can >actually get strong enough to make proper calibration of your deck very >difficult and make what should be quiet recording quite hissy. A good head >demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used on the entire tape path will >eliminate these magnetic fields. It takes a fairly powerful demagnetizer >like the Han D Mag to thoroughly erase these parts, as the small pencil >type units simply aren't strong enough to demagnetize steel parts." > >Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use because each unit has >slight variations of the basic procedure. > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? > >STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. The >Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. > >Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times where it is NOT a good >idea to buy cheaply. I have several demagnetizers: the Annis Han D Mag, two >Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand type and a typical cheapie wand >type (pencil style) like you see on eBay or various web sites. The Annis is >vastly better than ALL of the others. I don't know why I keep the others >because I use only the Annis. > >By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch reel-to-reel, you NEED >the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the other demagnetizers are >strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape decks! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 10:23:20 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List In-Reply-To: <20050623014652.73128.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050623082320.27130.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, Thats an awesome work, and a great reference site! Thanks. Regards Bala --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Hey guys. > > Check out the list of Nakamichi Products that I have > compiled. If > you see any omission please let me know and I will > add it to the > list. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html > > Scott J. > > --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > I have gathered some documents and information > about OMS5&7, and I > > also > > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy > whom I purchased the > > cd > > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a > "CD transport" > > and use > > an external DAC. But there is no digital output > provided in the > > back, and > > if what he says is true, it requires some serious > modification to > > bring out > > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, > 22 Jan 1988) > > titled > > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a > full schematic as > > well. I > > believe the signal path and related components are > the same for > > OMS7 (maybe > > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 > Philips technical > > magazine, which describes the components used in > the OMS5/7. The > > most > > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are > only of 14-bit > > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the > digital filter > > (SAA7030) > > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data > stream by 13 dB > > so that > > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality > in the reproduced > > audio. > > > > I can scan couple pages if you want. > > > > _Fuad > > > > > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > >"Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > > > > > > 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. > > > > I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. > Also want to > > upgrade > > some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds > as mediocre as > > some > > say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other > CD players are > > an NAD > > and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some > pity on me. I > > really > > do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. > > > > I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, > like AntechLabs, > > but > > these most of these guys require you to send them > an email -- no > > shopping cart -- to get the price and place and > order. I never get > > the > > email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for > them to decide > > to > > deign to send me an email. I just don't understand > this! If they > > don't > > send me the email I cannot place an order -- and > they cannot sell > > the > > manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money > that badly. > > Service is > > a lost art in the USA, I fear. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio > > info > > < > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From daveharris at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 23 11:02:20 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:02:20 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts References: <006b01c57576$c792bb00$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <019901c577d2$434b8f30$596165da@vurt> Hi Martin I am in Christchurch NZ. You can get a good range of drive belts and an alignment tape from Tradetech www.tradetech.co.nz use their parts search to search for belts, they have an outlet in Auckland You could also try Tesa www.tesa.co.nz for belts they also have an Auckland office but you will have to go and visit them as you can't search their catalogue on line. Axent in Auckland sound good but I am trying to find someone local for my Nak decks. The others I am doing myself. I will be inline to buy one of Kermit's Nak Alignment Tapes. Cheers Dave Harris Guess I'll have to ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Short To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Repairs: Parts Hi There, and greetings from New Zealand, I am dragging my collection of tape decks out of long term storage and I have a few of questions I would like to ask. Also, as I am new to this list, forgive me if they have been posted before :o) 1) Servicing: My 582Z is suffering from lazy pinch rollers, and intermittent meter reading when in calibration mode. All other functions are fine, as is record and playback once the pinch rollers have finally raised. Although this unit has had a 'long' life I like it and would like to restore it's functionality; so can anyone recommend a suitable service centre, (USA/UK/AUSTRALIA?), given that I cannot seem to find anyone in the Auckland area at least that wants to touch it!. If there are any other Kiwi's reading.. how do you make out for servicing?. In the meantime, I'll keep scouting around in NZ. 2) Parts: Fortunately, the rest of my kit all seem work OK, but I am curious as to opinions on parts availability.. especially as there is nothing available here in NZ. The original NZ Nak agents, WG Leatham seem to long disappeared. Drive belts is the first obvious one, as I may have to replace that on my 600 II sometime in the near future. 3) service manuals: I have manuals for most of my units, but cannot track down one for an RX202 ( and RX505), so any pointers as where I might go, (and being polite about it :o) ) thanks, regards, Martin PS: Message to Kermit: Yes, I would be interested in some calibration tapes too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From daveharris at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 23 11:15:29 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:15:29 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 References: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> <42B9C1A9.4000509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <01b601c577d4$19e3aa90$596165da@vurt> Kermit and Compudude I have a review of OMSI7II that has a good technical description (HiFI News Magazine Oct 86) if you would like me to scan it for you let me know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 > Hi Fuad! > > Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! > > Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. That gives > pause for thought. > > Compudude wrote: >> Hi Kermit, >> >> I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I also >> have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the cd >> player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" and use >> an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the back, and >> if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to bring >> out >> an SPDIF compatible digital output. I have a service info manual for OMS5 >> (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled >> "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as well. I >> believe the signal path and related components are the same for OMS7 >> (maybe >> also for 5ii and 7ii). There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 >> Philips technical >> magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most >> striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit >> resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter (SAA7030) >> improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB so that >> 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced audio. >> I can scan couple pages if you want. > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jun 23 14:08:09 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:08:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 References: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> <42B9C1A9.4000509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000901c577ec$3a395430$a0d317c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Hello Kermit! I have two OMS 7's.Both have the switch off---reverse tray--non start problem.However when I use a CD cleaning disk the problem goes away! ----until the next day when I have to use the same disc for cleaning again! If its not a problem,could I be so rude as to ask for a copy of the update etc you mention below as well? I can compensate you through PAYPAL ,or what you require! Sorry to be a nuisence! Walter Drewes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 > Hi Fuad! > > Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! > > Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. That > gives pause for thought. > > Compudude wrote: > > Hi Kermit, > > > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I also > > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the cd > > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" and use > > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the back, and > > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to bring out > > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled > > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as well. I > > believe the signal path and related components are the same for OMS7 (maybe > > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical > > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most > > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter (SAA7030) > > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB so that > > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced audio. > > > > I can scan couple pages if you want. > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From craig.jensen at techrizon.com Thu Jun 23 15:11:16 2005 From: craig.jensen at techrizon.com (Jensen, Craig L) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:11:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C557F4835@corpx1.telosok.com> Hi Doug, Kermit, and Bala I too have an Akai two prong model demagnetizer from the 70s and thought it was doing fine. However, I recently sent an Akai GX-265D to Joseph Stumpf in Alamogordo, NM for some electrical work and when I got it back the sound was noticeably better. I don't know if it was his demagnetizer (will have to remember to ask him what he used), or something else he did, but I had a cleaner sound. The sounds from scratched vinyl also were more noticeable in the headphones. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:19 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Hi Kermit, How about the Akai models? I have one of those two prong types, 1973 vintage. Everytime I take it out of its yellowed box, I admire because this thing has worked on everything from a measely Sony portable right up to the 1000ZXL, faithfully for 32 years! --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Doug, > > Doug Locke wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a > demagnetiser work with regards > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to > use one. > > US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and > guides tend to pick up > magnetism from the tapes you're playing and > rewinding over time. This > magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on > your tapes as well as > create additional noise on playback/record. The > magnetic fields can > actually get strong enough to make proper > calibration of your deck very > difficult and make what should be quiet recording > quite hissy. A good > head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used > on the entire tape > path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It takes > a fairly powerful > demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly erase > these parts, as the > small pencil type units simply aren't strong enough > to demagnetize steel > parts." > > Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use > because each unit has > slight variations of the basic procedure. > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? > > STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It > really is that simple. > The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a > bit. > > Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times > where it is NOT a > good idea to buy cheaply. I have several > demagnetizers: the Annis Han D > Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand > type and a typical > cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on > eBay or various web > sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the > others. I don't know > why I keep the others because I use only the Annis. > > By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch > reel-to-reel, you > NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the > other demagnetizers > are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape decks! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Jun 23 15:41:08 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:41:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <42B9C4AA.2060008@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Thanks Kermit The info is much appreciated. >STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. >The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. So do I guess right in that the better quality types use bigger coils? Must admit, believing the rhetoric I bought a relatively inexpensive version. I have experimented in the past with magnetising something like a nail, then tried to demagnetise it and confirm that it took a lot of applications before the magnetism dropped to an unnoticeable level. Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 22 June 2005 21:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Hi Doug, Doug Locke wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with regards > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and guides tend to pick up magnetism from the tapes you're playing and rewinding over time. This magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on your tapes as well as create additional noise on playback/record. The magnetic fields can actually get strong enough to make proper calibration of your deck very difficult and make what should be quiet recording quite hissy. A good head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used on the entire tape path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It takes a fairly powerful demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly erase these parts, as the small pencil type units simply aren't strong enough to demagnetize steel parts." Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use because each unit has slight variations of the basic procedure. > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times where it is NOT a good idea to buy cheaply. I have several demagnetizers: the Annis Han D Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand type and a typical cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on eBay or various web sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the others. I don't know why I keep the others because I use only the Annis. By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch reel-to-reel, you NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the other demagnetizers are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape decks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 16:57:57 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <42B9C1A9.4000509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050623145757.77719.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com> I have review of the OMS-5 (same D/A as OMS-7) and here are a couple of lines from that review that are interesting. Taken from High Fidelity 1986 Buying Guide Vol. 2. "Audio circuitry in the two models is identical (refering to the OMS-7), however. It uses dual 14-bit D-A converters run at four times the nrmal speed. An interpolation algorithm yields groups of four values whoe average equals the single digital value from which each was derived, for full 16-bit resolution. As you might expect all of the measurements that Diversified Science Labs made on the player document performance above reproach, generally equal to that of the best CD equipment we've tested to date. The sound, too, is superb, although you mustn't expect to hear any radical superiority when you audition the Nakamichi." SJ --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Fuad! > > Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! > > Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. > That > gives pause for thought. > > Compudude wrote: > > Hi Kermit, > > > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and > I also > > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased > the cd > > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" > and use > > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the > back, and > > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to > bring out > > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) > titled > > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as > well. I > > believe the signal path and related components are the same for > OMS7 (maybe > > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips > technical > > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The > most > > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter > (SAA7030) > > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB > so that > > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the > reproduced audio. > > > > I can scan couple pages if you want. > > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From marlin at amerion.com Thu Jun 23 18:49:41 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:49:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 engagement problem Message-ID: <007b01c57813$8e0c4e10$54ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Friends! On my 700 Nak, there's a problem with the command buttons and the apparatus which houses the heads,pinch rollers etc... Most of the time , when "play" is pressed the apparatus will not move forward.If I push on the main (largest) solenoid, it will engage.Sometimes it will stay in play position.Sometimes it will pop out. The unit fully functions otherwise. It seems when play is pressed the apparatus "attempts" to move forward, but there's not enough strength to move it fully. I have a parts unit w/another main solenoid.Should I try that? Or? Thanks- John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 19:02:17 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C557F4835@corpx1.telosok.com> Message-ID: <20050623170217.10995.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Craig, I had this suspicion that eventually the demag will loose its effectiveness. My dad told me that the demag will repel and has a tendency to 'push' when being passed over the tape path. Either my arms are too strong or the Akai has gone a little soft over the years. Regards Bala --- "Jensen, Craig L" wrote: > Hi Doug, Kermit, and Bala > > I too have an Akai two prong model demagnetizer from > the 70s and thought it > was doing fine. However, I recently sent an Akai > GX-265D to Joseph Stumpf > in Alamogordo, NM for some electrical work and when > I got it back the sound > was noticeably better. I don't know if it was his > demagnetizer (will have > to remember to ask him what he used), or something > else he did, but I had a > cleaner sound. The sounds from scratched vinyl also > were more noticeable in > the headphones. > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:19 AM > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > Hi Kermit, > > How about the Akai models? I have one of those > two prong types, 1973 vintage. Everytime I take it > out > of its yellowed box, I admire because this thing has > worked on everything from a measely Sony portable > right up to the 1000ZXL, faithfully for 32 years! > > --- "Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > > > Hi Doug, > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a > > demagnetiser work with regards > > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to > > use one. > > > > US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and > > guides tend to pick up > > magnetism from the tapes you're playing and > > rewinding over time. This > > magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on > > your tapes as well as > > create additional noise on playback/record. The > > magnetic fields can > > actually get strong enough to make proper > > calibration of your deck very > > difficult and make what should be quiet recording > > quite hissy. A good > > head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used > > on the entire tape > > path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It > takes > > a fairly powerful > > demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly > erase > > these parts, as the > > small pencil type units simply aren't strong > enough > > to demagnetize steel > > parts." > > > > Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use > > because each unit has > > slight variations of the basic procedure. > > > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? > > > > STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It > > really is that simple. > > The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a > > bit. > > > > Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those > times > > where it is NOT a > > good idea to buy cheaply. I have several > > demagnetizers: the Annis Han D > > Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand > > type and a typical > > cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on > > eBay or various web > > sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the > > others. I don't know > > why I keep the others because I use only the > Annis. > > > > By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or > 2-inch > > reel-to-reel, you > > NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the > > other demagnetizers > > are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape > decks! > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > > for pro audio info > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. 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Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Thu Jun 23 21:04:52 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:04:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 Message-ID: <200506231505_MC3-1-A239-51A0@compuserve.com> Hi Kermit, In the mid 80's there were no high quality and cheap 16-bit and above converters, probably that was the reason Nakamichi adapted the combination of good 14-bit converters with a noise-shaping filter to achive the performace (signal to quantization- noise) of an ideal 16-bit DAC (which is ~98dB). Now there are 24-bit DAC's even on cheap sound-cards, but back then I remember there were expensive laser-trimmed 20-bit converters used in high-end CD players. I will email some scanned pages and cc to Wouter as well. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:53:13 -0500 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <42B9C1A9.4000509 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Fuad! Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. That gives pause for thought. Compudude wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I also > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the cd > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" and use > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the back, and > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to bring out > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as well. I > believe the signal path and related components are the same for OMS7 (maybe > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter (SAA7030) > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB so that > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced audio. > > I can scan couple pages if you want. < From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Jun 23 22:31:46 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:31:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <200506231505_MC3-1-A239-51A0@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <001001c57832$94c47c90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Nakamichi weren't alone in using 14 bit converters, Philips used these in their early models with 4 x oversampling. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Compudude Sent: 23 June 2005 20:05 To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 Hi Kermit, In the mid 80's there were no high quality and cheap 16-bit and above converters, probably that was the reason Nakamichi adapted the combination of good 14-bit converters with a noise-shaping filter to achive the performace (signal to quantization- noise) of an ideal 16-bit DAC (which is ~98dB). Now there are 24-bit DAC's even on cheap sound-cards, but back then I remember there were expensive laser-trimmed 20-bit converters used in high-end CD players. I will email some scanned pages and cc to Wouter as well. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:53:13 -0500 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <42B9C1A9.4000509 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Fuad! Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. That gives pause for thought. Compudude wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I > also have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased > the cd player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD > transport" and use an external DAC. But there is no digital output > provided in the back, and if what he says is true, it requires some > serious modification to bring out > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as > well. I believe the signal path and related components are the same > for OMS7 (maybe > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter > (SAA7030) improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by > 13 dB so that 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the > reproduced audio. > > I can scan couple pages if you want. < ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 22:40:54 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 engagement problem In-Reply-To: <007b01c57813$8e0c4e10$54ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <20050623204054.31038.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Hmmm. That's interesting. Since solenoids don't usually wear out or anything like that I would say that the drive circuit is probably going/gone bad. Bad connection probably. I seem to remember there being a lot of problems with the connectors on the 700. Try taking the cards out, cleaning the contacts and reinserting them and try again. SJ --- Loud 138 wrote: > Hello Friends! On my 700 Nak, there's a problem with the > command buttons and the apparatus which houses the heads,pinch > rollers etc... Most of the time , when "play" is pressed the > apparatus will not move forward.If I push on the main (largest) > solenoid, it will engage.Sometimes it will stay in play > position.Sometimes it will pop out. The unit fully functions > otherwise. It seems when play is pressed the apparatus "attempts" > to move forward, but there's not enough strength to move it fully. > I have a parts unit w/another main solenoid.Should I try that? Or? > Thanks- John> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From ramvem at hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 23:38:09 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:38:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <20050623081615.51095.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, This is sad news. Even though I don't know you personally I have great respect for you as an electronics expert. Unfortunately this type of action is too often the easy way out for middle management, when faced with bad news. In "Only the Paranoid survive", former Intel CEO Andy Grove argues that accelerating the propogation of bad news is a key quality of companies needed by companies to survive. This particular company seems to not have learnt the lessons of the past. -Ram ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Hi Kermit and Gerald, Thats a very interesting discussion, and reflects the very situation I am going through. I have been forwarned that my contract is ending this August and my company isn't keen on renewing it. The reasons is pretty simple. My company makes machines used by companies to build hard-disk drives. And these are big industry names. Many of the steel components were not machined to specifications and have started to corrode even before the machines have left the plant for the customers' factory! In highlighting them, some serious mistakes made be the engineers were brought to light. Not being the whistle-blowing type, I quietly brought this to the attention of my supervisor. He in turn held a discssion with the very engineers who made mistakes and decided I had to go. I just have this sinking feeling that, faith, reliability, quality of work and performance are things that usually tend to work against us in the arena of office politics. Sadly, Nakamichis are a testament to the great results that can be achieved, when bosses recognise such qualities in the men who work for them. Regards Bala --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Gerald, > > Hope things are well for you. > > Gerald Guerrero wrote: > > I have several of the older low end wand type > units.A > > couple are from Radio Shack,and one or two from > other companies.I even > > have two of the cassette shell type demagnetizers > from up untill last > > year,when they were discontinued.I really cannot > see why these units > > would be manufactured if they did not woork. > > Because companies don't care if they work, they only > care about selling > things. They know that most buyers do not have pro > level knoledge and > will believe the ad literature of these units at > face value, often > without question. So, people buy them and never know > the units do not > work well, because after all, they hum and light up > and the manual says > they work, so they must work right? > > > Many posts from the nNaltalk > > archives indicate that the only tape head demag. > unit to use is a the > > professional model units used by some of you > Nakkers. > > Smart Nakkers! > > > I have also had > > some input from the best techs saying that these > low end demag. units( > > even the 10.00 cassette type) are OK to use. > > Do these techs sell similar units by any chance? > Many do. > > I was a service tech at one time. Our boss told us > NOT to contradict > what a customer believes or what the customer wanted > to hear UNLESS the > equipment would be damaged by what the customer > believed. The reason? > You wanted to keep the customer happy and make him > feel he was smart > because you, the tech, comfirmed what he believed. I > disobeyed the order > and told the customer what was RIGHT, regardless, I > just did it > diplomatically. This habit and a mistake I made on a > customer's Nak 700 > (I soldered all the PCBs into the sockets of his > deck because it had > been in the shop three times before for loose PCB > connectors, but > Nakamichi didn't approve the "modification") cost me > my job as a service > tech. > > BY THE WAY, I'm not implying that all techs lie to > customers, but in > some instances the shop policy is similar to that of > what I had to work > under. > > Also, not all techs are knowledgeable about all > aspects of audio. Hey, I > worked on Naks as aservice tech and didn't know > they used different EQ > from other decks UNTIL I joined this group. And I > was a good service > tech with pro audio experience most techs do not > have!. > > > > I am dismayed and perplexed > > by the contradictory opinions regarding these > Demag. > > I share your dismay. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Jun 24 01:06:35 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:06:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 Message-ID: <200506231906_MC3-1-A22F-DC2F@compuserve.com> Hi Guys, The curiosity got the best of me and I opened my OMS-7ii to see the circuit and, guess what? There are actually two 16-bit converters (Burr Brown PCM54 HP). It looks like OMS-5ii and 7ii are totaly different then the older OMS-5 and 7. Can anybody confirm? Maybe Dave Harris' magazine review has an explanation. Can I have a copy please? Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050623145757.77719.qmail at web40422.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have review of the OMS-5 (same D/A as OMS-7) and here are a couple of lines from that review that are interesting. Taken from High Fidelity 1986 Buying Guide Vol. 2. "Audio circuitry in the two models is identical (refering to the OMS-7), however. It uses dual 14-bit D-A converters run at four times the nrmal speed. An interpolation algorithm yields groups of four values whoe average equals the single digital value from which each was derived, for full 16-bit resolution. As you might expect all of the measurements that Diversified Science Labs made on the player document performance above reproach, generally equal to that of the best CD equipment we've tested to date. The sound, too, is superb, although you mustn't expect to hear any radical superiority when you audition the Nakamichi." SJ --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Fuad! > > Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! > > Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. > That > gives pause for thought. > > Compudude wrote: > > Hi Kermit, > > > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and > I also > > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased > the cd > > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" > and use > > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the > back, and > > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to > bring out > > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) > titled > > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as > well. I > > believe the signal path and related components are the same for > OMS7 (maybe > > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips > technical > > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The > most > > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit > > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter > (SAA7030) > > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB > so that > > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the > reproduced audio. > > > > I can scan couple pages if you want. > < From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Jun 24 02:13:38 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:13:38 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List References: <20050623014652.73128.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005e01c57851$920655e0$580a98de@tec> Hi Scott Thanks for listing the 600 & 600 Mk II !!! Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List > Hey guys. > > Check out the list of Nakamichi Products that I have compiled. If > you see any omission please let me know and I will add it to the > list. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html > > Scott J. > > --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > >> Hi Kermit, >> >> I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I >> also >> have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the >> cd >> player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" >> and use >> an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the >> back, and >> if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to >> bring out >> an SPDIF compatible digital output. >> >> I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) >> titled >> "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as >> well. I >> believe the signal path and related components are the same for >> OMS7 (maybe >> also for 5ii and 7ii). >> >> There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical >> magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The >> most >> striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit >> resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter >> (SAA7030) >> improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB >> so that >> 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced >> audio. >> >> I can scan couple pages if you want. >> >> _Fuad >> >> >> >> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >> >"Kermit V. Gray" wrote: >> >> >> 2. OMS-7 Service Manual. >> >> I wanna hear this CD player so bad I can taste it. Also want to >> upgrade >> some of its audio ICs. I'm not convinced it sounds as mediocre as >> some >> say it does. OK, so I'm an optimist. Hey, my other CD players are >> an NAD >> and a "Music Hall" I bought in 1997, so have some pity on me. I >> really >> do seem to have rotten luck with CD players. >> >> I've tried buying manuals from several web sites, like AntechLabs, >> but >> these most of these guys require you to send them an email -- no >> shopping cart -- to get the price and place and order. I never get >> the >> email from them. Frankly, I'm weary of waiting for them to decide >> to >> deign to send me an email. I just don't understand this! If they >> don't >> send me the email I cannot place an order -- and they cannot sell >> the >> manual. Oh well, maybe they don't need the money that badly. >> Service is >> a lost art in the USA, I fear. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA >> 816-918-5058 cellphone >> 913-422-0957 business >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >> info >> < >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 05:37:09 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:37:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: Shalom Bala! You wrote! I had this suspicion that eventually the >demag will loose its effectiveness. Sorry I NEVER hear that happens?, maybe Kermit can confirm or des-confirm your statement! If happens...so IS A MUST to use the demagnetizer much more often or frequently!.So the heads and all near them will each time of use less harder work to the instrument to do the job effectively. I hope that we will read more on this matter! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Craig, > > I had this suspicion that eventually the >demag will loose its effectiveness. My dad told me >that the demag will repel and has a tendency to 'push' >when being passed over the tape path. Either my arms >are too strong or the Akai has gone a little soft over >the years. > >Regards >Bala > >--- "Jensen, Craig L" >wrote: > > > Hi Doug, Kermit, and Bala > > > > I too have an Akai two prong model demagnetizer from > > the 70s and thought it > > was doing fine. However, I recently sent an Akai > > GX-265D to Joseph Stumpf > > in Alamogordo, NM for some electrical work and when > > I got it back the sound > > was noticeably better. I don't know if it was his > > demagnetizer (will have > > to remember to ask him what he used), or something > > else he did, but I had a > > cleaner sound. The sounds from scratched vinyl also > > were more noticeable in > > the headphones. > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:19 AM > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > How about the Akai models? I have one of those > > two prong types, 1973 vintage. Everytime I take it > > out > > of its yellowed box, I admire because this thing has > > worked on everything from a measely Sony portable > > right up to the 1000ZXL, faithfully for 32 years! > > > > --- "Kermit V. Gray" > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Doug, > > > > > > Doug Locke wrote: > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a > > > demagnetiser work with regards > > > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to > > > use one. > > > > > > US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and > > > guides tend to pick up > > > magnetism from the tapes you're playing and > > > rewinding over time. This > > > magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on > > > your tapes as well as > > > create additional noise on playback/record. The > > > magnetic fields can > > > actually get strong enough to make proper > > > calibration of your deck very > > > difficult and make what should be quiet recording > > > quite hissy. A good > > > head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used > > > on the entire tape > > > path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It > > takes > > > a fairly powerful > > > demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly > > erase > > > these parts, as the > > > small pencil type units simply aren't strong > > enough > > > to demagnetize steel > > > parts." > > > > > > Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use > > > because each unit has > > > slight variations of the basic procedure. > > > > > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? > > > > > > STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It > > > really is that simple. > > > The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a > > > bit. > > > > > > Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those > > times > > > where it is NOT a > > > good idea to buy cheaply. I have several > > > demagnetizers: the Annis Han D > > > Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand > > > type and a typical > > > cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on > > > eBay or various web > > > sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the > > > others. I don't know > > > why I keep the others because I use only the > > Annis. > > > > > > By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or > > 2-inch > > > reel-to-reel, you > > > NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the > > > other demagnetizers > > > are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape > > decks! > > > > > > -- > > > Kermit Gray > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > USA > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > > > for pro audio info > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! 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Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 05:40:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:40:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Message-ID: Shalom Drug! It's never SO LATE...spend on a newer RB.ANNIS Hang-D-Mag...and will last longer doing the "Job"...super effectively! Post us the results! ALEX! >From: "Doug Locke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:41:08 +0100 > >Thanks Kermit > >The info is much appreciated. > > >STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. > >The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. > >So do I guess right in that the better quality types use bigger coils? > >Must admit, believing the rhetoric I bought a relatively inexpensive >version. > >I have experimented in the past with magnetising something like a nail, >then >tried to demagnetise it and confirm that it took a lot of applications >before the magnetism dropped to an unnoticeable level. > >Regards. >Doug. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: 22 June 2005 21:06 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > >Hi Doug, > >Doug Locke wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with >regards > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. > >US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and guides tend to pick up >magnetism from the tapes you're playing and rewinding over time. This >magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on your tapes as well as >create additional noise on playback/record. The magnetic fields can >actually get strong enough to make proper calibration of your deck very >difficult and make what should be quiet recording quite hissy. A good >head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used on the entire tape >path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It takes a fairly powerful >demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly erase these parts, as the >small pencil type units simply aren't strong enough to demagnetize steel >parts." > >Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use because each unit has >slight variations of the basic procedure. > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? > >STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. >The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. > >Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those times where it is NOT a >good idea to buy cheaply. I have several demagnetizers: the Annis Han D >Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand type and a typical >cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on eBay or various web >sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the others. I don't know >why I keep the others because I use only the Annis. > >By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch reel-to-reel, you >NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the other demagnetizers >are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape decks! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daveharris at clear.net.nz Fri Jun 24 12:00:09 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:00:09 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 References: <200506231906_MC3-1-A22F-DC2F@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <00a201c578a3$82217400$a55c65da@vurt> Hi I'll scan the article Monday when I'm Back at work. However I'll type in some quotes here that may answer the questions... " "Nakamichi OMS-7E IIand OMS-5E II Martin Colloms Hi Fi News October 1986 Technical Details While this machine is largely Nakamichi designed, there are elements of the Phillips decoding system; in fact, the original models were to the Phillips 14-bit oversampled standard." By original models he means the OMS7 and OMS5 The article goes on about optical couplers between analogue and digital sections and the physical construction of the player. back to the article. "Nakamichi- labelled microprocessors are used for the master and slave CPUs, while a Sony chip provides the storage RAM errorcorrection. Run at a 4 x oversample rate, the data is digitally filtered to a high accurac and to an inherently linear phase characteristic. Data in seperated serial form is transmitted to the audio band via a set of isolating opto couplers, these carrry the B & Q clock signals, the mute and de-emphasis logic, and the right and left digital data lines. At this stage the data is convereted to the parallel form suitable for separate 16bit D/A converters, these Burr Brown PCM 54HP. Prior to conversion, the digital data is subjected ton a special de-glitcher circuit which remves spurious signals and helps give a cleaner more accurate performance from the converters." The he wibbles about the power supply circuitry. "Conclusion Nakamichi have set a new standard with this mark II Cd player which has extended the sound quality of the new Phillips16 bit 4 x oversamplingtechnology." as you will see when I have the article they rate this player very very highly, a little too highly as they had the price wrong. PS I understand it is hard to get a replacement laser for the mark II version Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com> To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 > Hi Guys, > > The curiosity got the best of me and I opened my OMS-7ii to see the > circuit > and, guess what? There are actually two 16-bit converters (Burr Brown > PCM54 > HP). It looks like OMS-5ii and 7ii are totaly different then the older > OMS-5 and 7. > > Can anybody confirm? Maybe Dave Harris' magazine review has an > explanation. > Can I have a copy please? > > Thanks, > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >>Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > Message-ID: <20050623145757.77719.qmail at web40422.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have review of the OMS-5 (same D/A as OMS-7) and here are a couple > of lines from that review that are interesting. Taken from High > Fidelity 1986 Buying Guide Vol. 2. > > "Audio circuitry in the two models is identical (refering to the > OMS-7), however. It uses dual 14-bit D-A converters run at four > times the nrmal speed. An interpolation algorithm yields groups of > four values whoe average equals the single digital value from which > each was derived, for full 16-bit resolution. > > As you might expect all of the measurements that Diversified Science > Labs made on the player document performance above reproach, > generally equal to that of the best CD equipment we've tested to > date. > > The sound, too, is superb, although you mustn't expect to hear any > radical superiority when you audition the Nakamichi." > > SJ > --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > >> Hi Fuad! >> >> Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! >> >> Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. >> That >> gives pause for thought. >> >> Compudude wrote: >> > Hi Kermit, >> > >> > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and >> I also >> > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased >> the cd >> > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" >> and use >> > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the >> back, and >> > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to >> bring out >> > an SPDIF compatible digital output. >> > >> > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) >> titled >> > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as >> well. I >> > believe the signal path and related components are the same for >> OMS7 (maybe >> > also for 5ii and 7ii). >> > >> > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips >> technical >> > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The >> most >> > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit >> > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter >> (SAA7030) >> > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB >> so that >> > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the >> reproduced audio. >> > >> > I can scan couple pages if you want. >> < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 17:50:27 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <200506231906_MC3-1-A22F-DC2F@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <20050624155027.23516.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, the OMS-5/7 and OMS-5II/7II are different. Technology for CD players moved very quickly back then. Here is the brochure for the OMS-5II/7II. It clearly lists 16-bit converter 4x oversampled. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/oms7_2n.jpg SJ --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > The curiosity got the best of me and I opened my OMS-7ii to see the > circuit > and, guess what? There are actually two 16-bit converters (Burr > Brown PCM54 > HP). It looks like OMS-5ii and 7ii are totaly different then the > older > OMS-5 and 7. > > Can anybody confirm? Maybe Dave Harris' magazine review has an > explanation. > Can I have a copy please? > > Thanks, > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <20050623145757.77719.qmail at web40422.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have review of the OMS-5 (same D/A as OMS-7) and here are a > couple > of lines from that review that are interesting. Taken from High > Fidelity 1986 Buying Guide Vol. 2. > > "Audio circuitry in the two models is identical (refering to the > OMS-7), however. It uses dual 14-bit D-A converters run at four > times the nrmal speed. An interpolation algorithm yields groups of > four values whoe average equals the single digital value from which > each was derived, for full 16-bit resolution. > > As you might expect all of the measurements that Diversified > Science > Labs made on the player document performance above reproach, > generally equal to that of the best CD equipment we've tested to > date. > > The sound, too, is superb, although you mustn't expect to hear any > radical superiority when you audition the Nakamichi." > > SJ > --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > > Hi Fuad! > > > > Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! > > > > Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. > > That > > gives pause for thought. > > > > Compudude wrote: > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > > > I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, > and > > I also > > > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased > > the cd > > > player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD > transport" > > and use > > > an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the > > back, and > > > if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification > to > > bring out > > > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > > > > > > I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) > > titled > > > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic > as > > well. I > > > believe the signal path and related components are the same for > > OMS7 (maybe > > > also for 5ii and 7ii). > > > > > > There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips > > technical > > > magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. > The > > most > > > striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of > 14-bit > > > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter > > (SAA7030) > > > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 > dB > > so that > > > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the > > reproduced audio. > > > > > > I can scan couple pages if you want. > > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jochi at qwest.net Fri Jun 24 20:35:39 2005 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:35:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers References: Message-ID: <004f01c578eb$8534b9c0$0500000a@uswest.net> Hello Doug, I just came across this website with some detailed explanation on demagnetizing technique: http://www.soundfirst.com/cleandemag.html Good luck. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Locke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > Hello all, > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with regards > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. What > differentiates a good one from a bad one? > > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 22 June 2005 01:09 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > > Hi, > > I agree here with Alex. A demag is a serious piece > of equipment. If it gives up or malfunctions when we > are using it, especially near the heads, thats SERIOUS > trouble! Also, not all of them are equal and the > better ones are more consistent in their > effectiveness. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 21:12:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <00a201c578a3$82217400$a55c65da@vurt> Message-ID: <20050624191237.79571.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess the design of this player was a landmark back then. Nakamichi was trying to push into the cd market with their MusicBank mechanism, and tried to design a high-spec machine. Today, 24-bit converters are common place like someone mentioned here. And better digital sound is achived with much less components and simpler technology. My Audio-Note DAC3.1x which set me back abit then, uses very few ICs on the DA section. Its mainly centered on a Crystal chip, with some proprietry system. Coupling transformers between the DA and output sections take care of filtering and the output is a 6DJ8 tube based circuit. Power supply is a cheap bridge rect. But it took on a more complicated dual DAC design from McIntosh. Really very relaxed and warm. It leaves me thinking how much benefit such a complicated design can bring. I wouldn't mind using the player as a transport, and perhaps a Sheldon Stokes DAC which could provide a better sound. --- Dave Harris wrote: > Hi > > I'll scan the article Monday when I'm Back at work. > However I'll type in > some quotes here that may answer the questions... > > " > > "Nakamichi OMS-7E IIand OMS-5E II > Martin Colloms > Hi Fi News October 1986 > > Technical Details > While this machine is largely Nakamichi designed, > there are elements of the > Phillips decoding system; in fact, the original > models were to the Phillips > 14-bit oversampled standard." > > By original models he means the OMS7 and OMS5 > The article goes on about optical couplers between > analogue and digital > sections and the physical construction of the > player. > back to the article. > > "Nakamichi- labelled microprocessors are used for > the master and slave CPUs, > while a Sony chip provides the storage RAM > errorcorrection. Run at a 4 x > oversample rate, the data is digitally filtered to a > high accurac and to an > inherently linear phase characteristic. > Data in seperated serial form is transmitted to > the audio band via a set > of isolating opto couplers, these carrry the B & Q > clock signals, the mute > and de-emphasis logic, and the right and left > digital data lines. At this > stage the data is convereted to the parallel form > suitable for separate > 16bit D/A converters, these Burr Brown PCM 54HP. > Prior to conversion, the > digital data is subjected ton a special de-glitcher > circuit which remves > spurious signals and helps give a cleaner more > accurate performance from the > converters." > > The he wibbles about the power supply circuitry. > > "Conclusion > Nakamichi have set a new standard with this mark II > Cd player which has > extended the sound quality of the new Phillips16 bit > 4 x > oversamplingtechnology." > > as you will see when I have the article they rate > this player very very > highly, a little too highly as they had the price > wrong. > > PS I understand it is hard to get a replacement > laser for the mark II > version > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:06 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about > OMS7 > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > The curiosity got the best of me and I opened my > OMS-7ii to see the > > circuit > > and, guess what? There are actually two 16-bit > converters (Burr Brown > > PCM54 > > HP). It looks like OMS-5ii and 7ii are totaly > different then the older > > OMS-5 and 7. > > > > Can anybody confirm? Maybe Dave Harris' magazine > review has an > > explanation. > > Can I have a copy please? > > > > Thanks, > > _Fuad > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >>Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> > about OMS7 > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks > > > > Message-ID: > <20050623145757.77719.qmail at web40422.mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > I have review of the OMS-5 (same D/A as OMS-7) and > here are a couple > > of lines from that review that are interesting. > Taken from High > > Fidelity 1986 Buying Guide Vol. 2. > > > > "Audio circuitry in the two models is identical > (refering to the > > OMS-7), however. It uses dual 14-bit D-A > converters run at four > > times the nrmal speed. An interpolation algorithm > yields groups of > > four values whoe average equals the single digital > value from which > > each was derived, for full 16-bit resolution. > > > > As you might expect all of the measurements that > Diversified Science > > Labs made on the player document performance above > reproach, > > generally equal to that of the best CD equipment > we've tested to > > date. > > > > The sound, too, is superb, although you mustn't > expect to hear any > > radical superiority when you audition the > Nakamichi." > > > > SJ > > --- "Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > > > >> Hi Fuad! > >> > >> Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! > >> > >> Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. > Only 14 bit? Wow. > >> That > >> gives pause for thought. > >> > >> Compudude wrote: > >> > Hi Kermit, > >> > > >> > I have gathered some documents and information > about OMS5&7, and > >> I also > >> > have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy > whom I purchased > >> the cd > >> > player said that people actually use the oms7 > as a "CD transport" > >> and use > >> > an external DAC. But there is no digital output > provided in the > >> back, and > >> > if what he says is true, it requires some > serious modification to > >> bring out > >> > an SPDIF compatible digital output. > >> > > >> > I have a service info manual for OMS5 > (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) > >> titled > >> > "Improvement of Trackability", which contains a > full schematic as > >> well. I > >> > believe the signal path and related components > are the same for > >> OMS7 (maybe > >> > also for 5ii and 7ii). > >> > > >> > There are also copies of couple pages from a > 1982 Philips > >> technical > >> > magazine, which describes the components used > in the OMS5/7. The > >> most > >> > striking thing is that the D/A converters used > are only of 14-bit > >> > resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the > digital filter > >> (SAA7030) > >> > improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit > data stream by 13 dB > >> so that > >> > 14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of > quality in the > >> reproduced audio. > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 24 22:32:47 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:32:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 27, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20050511163657.5078.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c578fb$e319f220$7300a8c0@Shaun> See that Sony are still flying the flag. At least in the UK they are..................... 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ALEX! >From: "Jonathan Ochi" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:35:39 -0700 > >Hello Doug, > >I just came across this website with some detailed explanation on >demagnetizing technique: > >http://www.soundfirst.com/cleandemag.html > >Good luck. > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Locke" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:47 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > > > Hello all, > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a demagnetiser work with >regards > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to use one. What > > differentiates a good one from a bad one? > > > > Doug. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 22 June 2005 01:09 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I agree here with Alex. A demag is a serious piece > > of equipment. If it gives up or malfunctions when we > > are using it, especially near the heads, thats SERIOUS > > trouble! Also, not all of them are equal and the > > better ones are more consistent in their > > effectiveness. > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Jun 25 15:37:09 2005 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:37:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <004f01c578eb$8534b9c0$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: Excellent, thanks Jon. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Ochi Sent: 24 June 2005 19:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers Hello Doug, I just came across this website with some detailed explanation on demagnetizing technique: http://www.soundfirst.com/cleandemag.html Good luck. Jon From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 03:51:09 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:51:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BE0A0D.5020307@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Bala! > > You wrote! > > I had this suspicion that eventually the > >> demag will loose its effectiveness. > > > Sorry I NEVER hear that happens?, maybe Kermit can confirm or > des-confirm your statement! > If happens...so IS A MUST to use the demagnetizer much more often or > frequently!.So the heads and all near them will each time of use less > harder work to the instrument to do the job effectively. This is a rare fault with some demagnetizers made in the 1960s -- over time the core material actually becomes magnetized! If this has happened to your demagnetizer, then you need to either place it in your private Museum of Cool Audio Gear -- or put it in the rubbish tip. I've heard of it happening anecdotally, but I've never experienced it myself. > I hope that we will read more on this matter! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> I had this suspicion that eventually the >> demag will loose its effectiveness. My dad told me >> that the demag will repel and has a tendency to 'push' >> when being passed over the tape path. Either my arms >> are too strong or the Akai has gone a little soft over >> the years. >> >> Regards >> Bala >> >> --- "Jensen, Craig L" >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Doug, Kermit, and Bala >> > >> > I too have an Akai two prong model demagnetizer from >> > the 70s and thought it >> > was doing fine. However, I recently sent an Akai >> > GX-265D to Joseph Stumpf >> > in Alamogordo, NM for some electrical work and when >> > I got it back the sound >> > was noticeably better. I don't know if it was his >> > demagnetizer (will have >> > to remember to ask him what he used), or something >> > else he did, but I had a >> > cleaner sound. The sounds from scratched vinyl also >> > were more noticeable in >> > the headphones. >> > >> > Craig >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:19 AM >> > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about >> > Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers >> > >> > Hi Kermit, >> > >> > How about the Akai models? I have one of those >> > two prong types, 1973 vintage. Everytime I take it >> > out >> > of its yellowed box, I admire because this thing has >> > worked on everything from a measely Sony portable >> > right up to the 1000ZXL, faithfully for 32 years! >> > >> > --- "Kermit V. Gray" >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Doug, >> > > >> > > Doug Locke wrote: >> > > > Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how does a >> > > demagnetiser work with regards >> > > > to the tape heads and what is the correct way to >> > > use one. >> > > >> > > US Recording Media says it well, "Tape heads and >> > > guides tend to pick up >> > > magnetism from the tapes you're playing and >> > > rewinding over time. This >> > > magnetism can slowly erase the high frequencies on >> > > your tapes as well as >> > > create additional noise on playback/record. The >> > > magnetic fields can >> > > actually get strong enough to make proper >> > > calibration of your deck very >> > > difficult and make what should be quiet recording >> > > quite hissy. A good >> > > head demagnetizer like the RB Annis Han D Mag used >> > > on the entire tape >> > > path will eliminate these magnetic fields. It >> > takes >> > > a fairly powerful >> > > demagnetizer like the Han D Mag to thoroughly >> > erase >> > > these parts, as the >> > > small pencil type units simply aren't strong >> > enough >> > > to demagnetize steel >> > > parts." >> > > >> > > Follow the demagnetizer's directions for best use >> > > because each unit has >> > > slight variations of the basic procedure. >> > > >> > > > What differentiates a good one from a bad one? >> > > >> > > STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It >> > > really is that simple. >> > > The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a >> > > bit. >> > > >> > > Alex and Bala are right. This is one of those >> > times >> > > where it is NOT a >> > > good idea to buy cheaply. I have several >> > > demagnetizers: the Annis Han D >> > > Mag, two Nortronics, a Teac E-3, a Nakamichi wand >> > > type and a typical >> > > cheapie wand type (pencil style) like you see on >> > > eBay or various web >> > > sites. The Annis is vastly better than ALL of the >> > > others. I don't know >> > > why I keep the others because I use only the >> > Annis. >> > > >> > > By the way, if you have a 1/2-inch, 1-inch or >> > 2-inch >> > > reel-to-reel, you >> > > NEED the Annis (it's the ONLY choice). None of the >> > > other demagnetizers >> > > are strong enough for 1/2-inch or bigger tape >> > decks! >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Kermit Gray >> > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> > > 16371 Lake Point Drive >> > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> > > USA >> > > 816-918-5058 cellphone >> > > 913-422-0957 business >> > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> > > >> > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html >> > > for pro audio info >> > > >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Register your Nak today! >> > > http://www.naks.com/register >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist >> > > Maintain your account here: >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________ >> > >> > Yahoo! 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Sign up for Fantasy Football >> > >> > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Sports >> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >> http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 03:52:44 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:52:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List In-Reply-To: <005e01c57851$920655e0$580a98de@tec> References: <20050623014652.73128.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> <005e01c57851$920655e0$580a98de@tec> Message-ID: <42BE0A6C.2000602@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys! Donald Sangster wrote: > Hi Scott > > Thanks for listing the 600 & 600 Mk II !!! > Ditto! And the 610! Great list, Scott! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 03:58:59 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:58:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <20050623081846.49839.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050623081846.49839.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42BE0BE3.9030200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > How about the Akai models? I have one of those > two prong types, 1973 vintage. Everytime I take it out > of its yellowed box, I admire because this thing has > worked on everything from a measely Sony portable > right up to the 1000ZXL, faithfully for 32 years! > I learned recently that this demagnetizer was also available rebranded as "Gibson Girl" and as "Ampex." I had the Gibson Girl and used it until its coil shorted out one day. Very good demagnetizer, better than the Teac E-3, but the Annis Han D Mag is far and away the best. This is one of the few times you'll see me use the term "best" because it truly is the "best." -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 04:04:04 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:04:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BE0D14.80300@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doug, Doug Locke wrote: > Thanks Kermit > > The info is much appreciated. > > >>STRONG magnetic fields. Stronger the better. It really is that simple. >>The Annis Han D Mag is the strongest, by quite a bit. > > > So do I guess right in that the better quality types use bigger coils? Yes, as well as more efficient magnetic "circuits." > > Must admit, believing the rhetoric I bought a relatively inexpensive > version. Don't feel bad. My first demagnetizer was a cheapie "Philco" that cost $3.95 in 1975. It was little more than a toy. > I have experimented in the past with magnetising something like a nail, then > tried to demagnetise it and confirm that it took a lot of applications > before the magnetism dropped to an unnoticeable level. Great practical example of the strength of a demagnetizer. In essence, the same thing is happening with tape heads. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 04:06:12 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:06:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers In-Reply-To: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C557F4835@corpx1.telosok.com> References: <8BF2427C3C94A94A8B03FCACAFFC4C557F4835@corpx1.telosok.com> Message-ID: <42BE0D94.9010306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Craig, Jensen, Craig L wrote: > Hi Doug, Kermit, and Bala > > I too have an Akai two prong model demagnetizer from the 70s and thought it > was doing fine. However, I recently sent an Akai GX-265D to Joseph Stumpf > in Alamogordo, NM for some electrical work and when I got it back the sound > was noticeably better. I don't know if it was his demagnetizer (will have > to remember to ask him what he used), or something else he did, but I had a > cleaner sound. The sounds from scratched vinyl also were more noticeable in > the headphones. Joseph is quite thorough. I suspect that what you're hearing is the result of him properly biasing and aligning the EQ and azinmuth of your deck. My bet is he uses the Annis demagnetizer. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 04:08:57 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:08:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <000901c577ec$3a395430$a0d317c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> References: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> <42B9C1A9.4000509@woods-and-waters.com> <000901c577ec$3a395430$a0d317c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <42BE0E39.7080403@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Walter! Hey, not a nuisance at all! I love upgrading sound -- my biggest passion, other than my girlfriend Susan. Actually, on some days this isn't true but don't tell her. Be glad to do the upgrade for you as soon as I've figured it out! Probably will take until spring, so be patient; I'm swamped with production deadlines for my own brand of equipment until the end of the year. wdrewes wrote: > Hello Kermit! > I have two OMS 7's.Both have the switch off---reverse tray--non start > problem.However when I use a CD cleaning disk the problem goes > away! ----until the next day when I have to use the same disc for cleaning > again! > If its not a problem,could I be so rude as to ask for a copy of the update > etc you mention below as well? > I can compensate you through PAYPAL ,or what you require! > Sorry to be a nuisence! > Walter Drewes > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 > > > >>Hi Fuad! >> >>Hey, I'd really appreciate the scans! Thanks! >> >>Interesting tech info about the DA convertor. Only 14 bit? Wow. That >>gives pause for thought. >> >>Compudude wrote: >> >>>Hi Kermit, >>> >>>I have gathered some documents and information about OMS5&7, and I also >>>have a functional OMS7ii at home. The ebay guy whom I purchased the cd >>>player said that people actually use the oms7 as a "CD transport" and > > use > >>>an external DAC. But there is no digital output provided in the back, > > and > >>>if what he says is true, it requires some serious modification to bring > > out > >>>an SPDIF compatible digital output. >>> >>>I have a service info manual for OMS5 (OOD-M-0310, 22 Jan 1988) titled >>>"Improvement of Trackability", which contains a full schematic as well. > > I > >>>believe the signal path and related components are the same for OMS7 > > (maybe > >>>also for 5ii and 7ii). >>> >>>There are also copies of couple pages from a 1982 Philips technical >>>magazine, which describes the components used in the OMS5/7. The most >>>striking thing is that the D/A converters used are only of 14-bit >>>resolution (TDA1540)! The paper claims that the digital filter (SAA7030) >>>improves signal-to-noise ratio of the 16-bit data stream by 13 dB so > > that > >>>14-bit DAC's can be used with no loss of quality in the reproduced > > audio. > >>>I can scan couple pages if you want. >> >> >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jun 26 04:11:56 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:11:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 In-Reply-To: <01b601c577d4$19e3aa90$596165da@vurt> References: <200506221430_MC3-1-A224-3BFF@compuserve.com> <42B9C1A9.4000509@woods-and-waters.com> <01b601c577d4$19e3aa90$596165da@vurt> Message-ID: <42BE0EEC.2050906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Dave Dave Harris wrote: > Kermit and Compudude > > I have a review of OMSI7II that has a good technical description (HiFI > News Magazine Oct 86) if you would like me to scan it for you let me know I'd enjoy reading it! These CD players are beginning to fascinate me. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 01:00:24 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List In-Reply-To: <42BE0A6C.2000602@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050626230024.10007.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The list contains just about everything Nak make under the Nakamichi brand name. I need to upload the updated version. It contains new links to my brochures which I have updated. If you know of anything that Nak made that's not on my list please let me know. Speaking of which I already know that I forgot the OMS-2000. I have pictures of this unit too, and will be uploading them. This unit is extremely rare. I think they only made about 10 and I have the DA converter board from it too. I love Wouter's naks.com site for tape decks, but, I have been frustrated that there is no site that contains information everything Nakamichi. So I started creating one on the 17th. Enjoy, Scott J. --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Guys! > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > Hi Scott > > > > Thanks for listing the 600 & 600 Mk II !!! > > > > Ditto! And the 610! Great list, Scott! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jun 27 09:15:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:15:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List Message-ID: Shalom Scott! A friend received a DVD branded Nakamichi..., model 10S...seem me something made at least 3>5 years ago! Did you know on it? As he don't have any instructions/information...only the item! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List >Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:00:24 -0700 (PDT) > >The list contains just about everything Nak make under the Nakamichi >brand name. I need to upload the updated version. It contains new >links to my brochures which I have updated. > >If you know of anything that Nak made that's not on my list please >let me know. Speaking of which I already know that I forgot the >OMS-2000. I have pictures of this unit too, and will be uploading >them. This unit is extremely rare. I think they only made about 10 >and I have the DA converter board from it too. > >I love Wouter's naks.com site for tape decks, but, I have been >frustrated that there is no site that contains information everything >Nakamichi. So I started creating one on the 17th. > >Enjoy, > >Scott J. > > >--- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > > Hi Guys! > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > Hi Scott > > > > > > Thanks for listing the 600 & 600 Mk II !!! > > > > > > > Ditto! And the 610! Great list, Scott! > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > > info > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daveharris at clear.net.nz Mon Jun 27 11:41:26 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:41:26 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 References: <001001c57832$94c47c90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <004101c57afc$63e00460$116065da@vurt> Hi Kermit, Compudude and others I have posted the OMS 7II review at http://expomat.tripod.com/oms7.djvu Its in DJVU fromat to keep the size down (abour 360k) Cheers dave -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From wjw at warwick.net Mon Jun 27 11:55:48 2005 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:55:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A problems. Service Manual? Message-ID: <42BFCD24.B7B4AA08@warwick.net> I'm having trouble with a CR-1A and in need of a service manual. Can anyone help with a link or a copy? The deck stopped functioning in any mode- won't play, FF or RW. I'd also like to get service manuals for the DR-8 and the DR-10, but the CR-1A is the one I really need right now. Thanks, Bill From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Jun 27 13:12:48 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:12:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model List In-Reply-To: <20050626230024.10007.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050626230024.10007.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42BFDF30.3010401@cox.net> Scott- Nak also made a pair of RCA - RCA subsonic filters model SF-10 that were intended for us when recording from vinyl to tape. They did a good job of eliminating subsonic record noise and warp noise. I have a pair at home... somewhere... You inserted them in the line level signal, not the phono level signal path. I used to have them right in the line input on the back of the Nak. Tim Scott Johnson wrote: >The list contains just about everything Nak make under the Nakamichi >brand name. I need to upload the updated version. It contains new >links to my brochures which I have updated. > >If you know of anything that Nak made that's not on my list please >let me know. Speaking of which I already know that I forgot the >OMS-2000. I have pictures of this unit too, and will be uploading >them. This unit is extremely rare. I think they only made about 10 >and I have the DA converter board from it too. > >I love Wouter's naks.com site for tape decks, but, I have been >frustrated that there is no site that contains information everything >Nakamichi. So I started creating one on the 17th. > >Enjoy, > >Scott J. > > >--- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > > > >>Hi Guys! >> >>Donald Sangster wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Scott >>> >>>Thanks for listing the 600 & 600 Mk II !!! >>> >>> >>> >>Ditto! And the 610! Great list, Scott! >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >>info >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 16:44:18 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Enter the Dragon In-Reply-To: <42BFDF30.3010401@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050627144418.93932.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Today came the grand day, when my 14th Nak was awaiting my as I came home. A Nakamichi Dragon. Regards and Cheers, Bala Ganesh __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Jun 27 23:02:19 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (DJ Ornsman) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:02:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More good tape deck... Message-ID: Hey again! Another follow up on my conundrum. Thanks to all that have offered some advice. Scott Johnson, your post was particularily helpful! Thanks. Ram Vemuri, thanks to you too. Yes I agree about what you say about enjoying the sound of audio cassette. It's just like that vinyl vs. CD debate. I believe that it is quite clear that there is a indefinable quality to the analogue audio process that just can't be reproduced digitally. (I was brought up listening music on vinyl) So I would not be surprised it the same principle would also apply to audio tapes...! Bala Ganesh Chandra, thanks also. I have spoke to Technics (Panasonic) about getting replacement rubber pinch rollers for the RS-BX501 and they have forwarded me the address of one of their service centres. I may go ahead and fix the deck because as Mark Hugo said (and, in my humble opinion) the sound from the Technics RS-BX501 IS quite nice... however as Mark also said the problem with these A/R decks is the rotating heads disaligning, and I don't think that I have the skills to replace one of those... Alex Cozac, thank you for your post too, although I am not sure if I understood you completely.... However, in response I would like to say that buying second-hand is always going to be risky, no matter what you are buying. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Jun 27 23:19:46 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (DJ Ornsman) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:19:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More more more even more good tape deck Message-ID: Futher to my previous post, I think I have enough information on the models of Nakamachi tape deck that I should look into. However, I have happened to also look at the option of buying a new tape deck! Last week I travelled up London to have a look down "Tottenham Court Road". If you are unfamiliar, it is a road lined with many, many electrical retailers. Unfortuately, one shop I went in to laughed at me when I asked for a "single tape deck with NO auto-reverse".... It seems that single tape decks are very rare nowadays, and that auto-reverse is featured as a de-facto standard! However, believe it or not I did actually come across one that met my criteria - the Yamaha KX393 (selling for around £140) Does anyone know this tape deck at all, and can anyone give me any opinions on it? Thanks, Ornette -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:44:11 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:44:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Enter the Dragon In-Reply-To: <20050627144418.93932.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To my lovely Bala! Extremely good news...! Enjoyed!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Enter the Dragon >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:44:18 -0700 (PDT) > >Today came the grand day, when my 14th Nak was >awaiting my as I came home. A Nakamichi Dragon. > >Regards and Cheers, >Bala Ganesh > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Jun 28 10:42:14 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:42:14 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Model List /ZX5 Message-ID: <010d01c57bbd$48d6cfc0$0201a8c0@lan> 1) Scott's list looks pretty complete to me!.. certainly a few items I hadn't encountered before, so that was interesting! After perusing Scott's list, and if anyone is interested, I have English versions of the following Nakamichi brochures that are not already listed on, or linked off of Nak model list. Unfortunately I cannot host these myself, but could scan and forward to interested parties: These are all full two page brochures in great condition, though I have some of the 1 page 'flyers' as well. 481/482 581/582 600 II (though this one is a little rough!) 700ZXE 1000ZXL BX100/150 LX3/LX5 MR1 RX303/505 High Com II TX1000 turntable IA1/IA2/ST2 IA3 and Product line up brochures, 1980, 1982,1984,1985. (If anyone has a brochure for a 582Z.. please send me a scan :o) really, it would make my day) 2) Apart for the obvious lettering differences, are there any other differences between a ZX-5 and BX-300?. I had never encountered this model until cruising through Wouter's site. cheers for now, Martin (note to Donald Sangster: I've delivered my 582Z to Axent Audio for lubing/fettling, so in about 2-3 weeks we'll see what I get back..finger's crossed... thanks for the tip!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:52:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:52:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] More good tape deck... Message-ID: Dear friend! You wrote: >Alex Cozac, thank you for your post too, although I am not sure if I >understood you completely.... However, in response I would like to say >that buying second-hand is always going to be risky, no matter what you are >buying. NOT...;always true. Try to obtain a deck from an a Person that you trust! If possible wait...till a Dragon will be available! With this deck...your cassettes recorded with "ALL KIND"...of machines WILL deliver to you the BEST possible sound! Heads aligned or NOT..!!!! All the best! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "DJ Ornsman" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] More good tape deck... >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:02:19 +0100 > >Hey again! Another follow up on my conundrum. Thanks to all that have >offered some advice. > >Scott Johnson, your post was particularily helpful! Thanks. > >Ram Vemuri, thanks to you too. Yes I agree about what you say about >enjoying the sound of audio cassette. It's just like that vinyl vs. CD >debate. I believe that it is quite clear that there is a indefinable >quality to the analogue audio process that just can't be reproduced >digitally. (I was brought up listening music on vinyl) So I would not be >surprised it the same principle would also apply to audio tapes...! > >Bala Ganesh Chandra, thanks also. I have spoke to Technics (Panasonic) >about getting replacement rubber pinch rollers for the RS-BX501 and they >have forwarded me the address of one of their service centres. > >I may go ahead and fix the deck because as Mark Hugo said (and, in my >humble opinion) the sound from the Technics RS-BX501 IS quite nice... >however as Mark also said the problem with these A/R decks is the rotating >heads disaligning, and I don't think that I have the skills to replace one >of those... > >Alex Cozac, thank you for your post too, although I am not sure if I >understood you completely.... However, in response I would like to say >that buying second-hand is always going to be risky, no matter what you are >buying. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:55:15 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:55:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] More more more even more good tape deck Message-ID: Dear Ornette! Be patiently...wait till a Dragon will came to you...(With the help of Our Lord...of course!) Blessing! ALEX! >From: "DJ Ornsman" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] More more more even more good tape deck >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:19:46 +0100 > >Futher to my previous post, I think I have enough information on the models >of Nakamachi tape deck that I should look into. > >However, I have happened to also look at the option of buying a new tape >deck! Last week I travelled up London to have a look down "Tottenham Court >Road". If you are unfamiliar, it is a road lined with many, many >electrical retailers. > >Unfortuately, one shop I went in to laughed at me when I asked for a >"single tape deck with NO auto-reverse".... It seems that single tape >decks are very rare nowadays, and that auto-reverse is featured as a >de-facto standard! > >However, believe it or not I did actually come across one that met my >criteria - the Yamaha KX393 (selling for around �140) > >Does anyone know this tape deck at all, and can anyone give me any opinions >on it? > >Thanks, >Ornette > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 28 10:58:06 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:06 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting References: <004f01c578eb$8534b9c0$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: <01a401c57bbf$81116ce0$976265da@vurt> Hi Guys Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ Cheers dave -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 28 10:59:27 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:59:27 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] More On cassette collecting References: <004f01c578eb$8534b9c0$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: <01a801c57bbf$b0301bc0$976265da@vurt> http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/12/strange-world-of-german-cassette.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 28 11:36:21 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:36:21 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Model List /ZX5 References: <010d01c57bbd$48d6cfc0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <01dd01c57bc4$d7fc74a0$976265da@vurt> Hi Martin I'd be interested in the scans, I'd also like to know what Axent Audio Charge for their services as I may send my BX-150 to them and may even my Pioneer CT-A7 Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Short To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Model List /ZX5 1) Scott's list looks pretty complete to me!.. certainly a few items I hadn't encountered before, so that was interesting! After perusing Scott's list, and if anyone is interested, I have English versions of the following Nakamichi brochures that are not already listed on, or linked off of Nak model list. Unfortunately I cannot host these myself, but could scan and forward to interested parties: These are all full two page brochures in great condition, though I have some of the 1 page 'flyers' as well. 481/482 581/582 600 II (though this one is a little rough!) 700ZXE 1000ZXL BX100/150 LX3/LX5 MR1 RX303/505 High Com II TX1000 turntable IA1/IA2/ST2 IA3 and Product line up brochures, 1980, 1982,1984,1985. (If anyone has a brochure for a 582Z.. please send me a scan :o) really, it would make my day) 2) Apart for the obvious lettering differences, are there any other differences between a ZX-5 and BX-300?. I had never encountered this model until cruising through Wouter's site. cheers for now, Martin (note to Donald Sangster: I've delivered my 582Z to Axent Audio for lubing/fettling, so in about 2-3 weeks we'll see what I get back..finger's crossed... thanks for the tip!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Cheers, ALEX! >From: Dave Harris >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] More On cassette collecting >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:59:27 +1200 > >http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/12/strange-world-of-german-cassette.html > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 12:52:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:52:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting In-Reply-To: <01a401c57bbf$81116ce0$976265da@vurt> Message-ID: Hi again Dave! Please update your AVG antivirus...it's FREE!!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Dave Harris >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:06 +1200 > >Hi Guys > >Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" > >http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ > >Cheers dave > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 12:59:44 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:59:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting In-Reply-To: <01a401c57bbf$81116ce0$976265da@vurt> Message-ID: <001901c57bd0$80e67c90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Wow, I loved the site about the sub woofer: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/11/italians-build-huge-sub-woofer-tunnel .html very much reminded me of my own feeble efforts at building a folded tapered horn loudspear in my previous house. At least the priest at St Francis appreciated them when he came to see me(regarding a baptism, not religious indoctrination!) and listened to some organ music! Unfortunately, at 36" deep they were deemed socially unacceptable in a living room. So, the internal units eemain in my spare room with the original design long since evaporating. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dave Harris Sent: 28 June 2005 09:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting Hi Guys Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ Cheers dave -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 14:33:08 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Model List /ZX5 In-Reply-To: <010d01c57bbd$48d6cfc0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20050628123308.30202.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> Martin, I would like copies of the LX-5 and RX 505 brochures. Thanks, John --- Martin Short wrote: > 1) > Scott's list looks pretty complete to me!.. > certainly a few items I hadn't encountered before, > so that was interesting! > > After perusing Scott's list, and if anyone is > interested, I have English versions of the following > Nakamichi brochures that are not already listed on, > or linked off of Nak model list. Unfortunately I > cannot host these myself, but could scan and forward > to interested parties: These are all full two page > brochures in great condition, though I have some of > the 1 page 'flyers' as well. > > 481/482 > 581/582 > 600 II (though this one is a little rough!) > 700ZXE > 1000ZXL > > BX100/150 > LX3/LX5 > MR1 > RX303/505 > > High Com II > TX1000 turntable > > IA1/IA2/ST2 > IA3 > > and Product line up brochures, 1980, 1982,1984,1985. > > (If anyone has a brochure for a 582Z.. please send > me a scan :o) really, it would make my day) > > > 2) > Apart for the obvious lettering differences, are > there any other differences between a ZX-5 and > BX-300?. I had never encountered this model until > cruising through Wouter's site. > > cheers for now, > > Martin > (note to Donald Sangster: I've delivered my 582Z to > Axent Audio for lubing/fettling, so in about 2-3 > weeks we'll see what I get back..finger's crossed... > thanks for the tip!) > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Jun 28 15:13:04 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:13:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] More more more even more good tape deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050628091208.01adf1e0@psulias.psu.edu> I have a Yamaha KX-690 that will crush that and I'll sell it to your for less than 140 quid. Of course it'll need to be shipped over the pond. At 05:19 PM 6/27/2005, DJ Ornsman wrote: >Futher to my previous post, I think I have enough information on the >models of Nakamachi tape deck that I should look into. > >However, I have happened to also look at the option of buying a new tape >deck! Last week I travelled up London to have a look down "Tottenham >Court Road". If you are unfamiliar, it is a road lined with many, many >electrical retailers. > >Unfortuately, one shop I went in to laughed at me when I asked for a >"single tape deck with NO auto-reverse".... It seems that single tape >decks are very rare nowadays, and that auto-reverse is featured as a >de-facto standard! > >However, believe it or not I did actually come across one that met my >criteria - the Yamaha KX393 (selling for around £140) > >Does anyone know this tape deck at all, and can anyone give me any >opinions on it? > >Thanks, >Ornette > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 19:16:12 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] More more more even more good tape deck In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050628091208.01adf1e0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050628171612.66492.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've heard a Yamaha deck, I think the 303 very recently and they are very pleasant sounding. It says Natural Sound and it sounds really natural. Relaxed, warm and easy on the ears. Regards Bala --- Derrick Beckner wrote: > I have a Yamaha KX-690 that will crush that and I'll > sell it to your for > less than 140 quid. > Of course it'll need to be shipped over the pond. > > At 05:19 PM 6/27/2005, DJ Ornsman wrote: > >Futher to my previous post, I think I have enough > information on the > >models of Nakamachi tape deck that I should look > into. > > > >However, I have happened to also look at the option > of buying a new tape > >deck! Last week I travelled up London to have a > look down "Tottenham > >Court Road". If you are unfamiliar, it is a road > lined with many, many > >electrical retailers. > > > >Unfortuately, one shop I went in to laughed at me > when I asked for a > >"single tape deck with NO auto-reverse".... It > seems that single tape > >decks are very rare nowadays, and that auto-reverse > is featured as a > >de-facto standard! > > > >However, believe it or not I did actually come > across one that met my > >criteria - the Yamaha KX393 (selling for around > £140) > > > >Does anyone know this tape deck at all, and can > anyone give me any > >opinions on it? > > > >Thanks, > >Ornette > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From jmareydt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 28 19:47:54 2005 From: jmareydt at yahoo.co.uk (Johan Mareydt) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:47:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: More more more even more good tape deck In-Reply-To: <200506280906.j5S94xgY018464@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050628174754.82668.qmail@web86908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a Yamaha KX 393, which I bought six months ago in similar circumstances and I'm very happy with it. I haven't had any problems so far & I use it pretty heavily, it has over 500 hrs play time now. I haven't tried recording yet. I like it's accurate speed & it sounds good too. Though compared with a Dragon it becomes overly shrill to my ears. In it's price range I'm sure it's a very good choice. The deck is also highly rated in What Hifi magazine. Btw I got mine for 150 € (100 £), initial price was 200 € (133 £), the dealer was relieved to get rid of it. Cheers, Johan > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:19:46 +0100 > From: "DJ Ornsman" > Subject: [naktalk] More more more even more good > tape deck > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Futher to my previous post, I think I have enough > information on the models of Nakamachi tape deck > that I should look into. > > However, I have happened to also look at the option > of buying a new tape deck! Last week I travelled up > London to have a look down "Tottenham Court Road". > If you are unfamiliar, it is a road lined with many, > many electrical retailers. > > Unfortuately, one shop I went in to laughed at me > when I asked for a "single tape deck with NO > auto-reverse".... It seems that single tape decks > are very rare nowadays, and that auto-reverse is > featured as a de-facto standard! > > However, believe it or not I did actually come > across one that met my criteria - the Yamaha KX393 > (selling for around £140) > > Does anyone know this tape deck at all, and can > anyone give me any opinions on it? > > Thanks, > Ornette > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 20:28:33 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Model List /ZX5 In-Reply-To: <010d01c57bbd$48d6cfc0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20050628182833.96269.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, Is it possible to host all these great resources in naks.com? Bala --- Martin Short wrote: > 1) > Scott's list looks pretty complete to me!.. > certainly a few items I hadn't encountered before, > so that was interesting! > > After perusing Scott's list, and if anyone is > interested, I have English versions of the following > Nakamichi brochures that are not already listed on, > or linked off of Nak model list. Unfortunately I > cannot host these myself, but could scan and forward > to interested parties: These are all full two page > brochures in great condition, though I have some of > the 1 page 'flyers' as well. > > 481/482 > 581/582 > 600 II (though this one is a little rough!) > 700ZXE > 1000ZXL > > BX100/150 > LX3/LX5 > MR1 > RX303/505 > > High Com II > TX1000 turntable > > IA1/IA2/ST2 > IA3 > > and Product line up brochures, 1980, 1982,1984,1985. > > (If anyone has a brochure for a 582Z.. please send > me a scan :o) really, it would make my day) > > > 2) > Apart for the obvious lettering differences, are > there any other differences between a ZX-5 and > BX-300?. I had never encountered this model until > cruising through Wouter's site. > > cheers for now, > > Martin > (note to Donald Sangster: I've delivered my 582Z to > Axent Audio for lubing/fettling, so in about 2-3 > weeks we'll see what I get back..finger's crossed... > thanks for the tip!) > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dhey1 at rochester.rr.com Tue Jun 28 20:54:53 2005 From: dhey1 at rochester.rr.com (doug hey) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:54:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help! Message-ID: <007001c57c12$e3a0d0f0$9979cc45@jemwork> Hello out there fellow NAK owners. I have a vintage CR-1A cassette deck in dire need of the concentric volume level/balance control switch. Anyone have any idea how or where to get one? Please don't send me to Nak USA as they were no help. Thanks, Douglas C. Hey Architectural Consultant 51 Devonshire Circle Penfield, NY 14526 (585) 388-0269 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Jun 28 23:20:32 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:20:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 Message-ID: <200506281720_MC3-1-A1A0-6DBC@compuserve.com> Thanks Dave, This explains everything, including the performance difference: S/N ratio > 92 dB for CA5&7 compared to > 104 dB for CA5ii&7ii. By the way, can anyone find the data-sheet for SONY CX23035 chip that is used in the CA7ii? I would like to investigate the possibility of an SPDIF digital output for the CA7ii. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:41:26 +1200 From: Dave Harris Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naka manuals sought --> about OMS7 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <004101c57afc$63e00460$116065da at vurt> Content-Type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Kermit, Compudude and others I have posted the OMS 7II review at http://expomat.tripod.com/oms7.djvu Its in DJVU fromat to keep the size down (abour 360k) Cheers dave < From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Wed Jun 29 00:12:54 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:12:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape demagnetizers Message-ID: <000901c57c2e$88e81c60$6b91a20c@guerrero> heres some information on the package of an old sealed Realistic brand wand type head demag. Cat.# 44-772.It cost 2.95 way back then. Heres what it says -WHY DEMAGNETIZE?" Since the minimam noise leveloccurs with the tape in unmagnetized ,it is important that the recording head impart no steady 9DC) magnetism to it.This can only be true if the head itself is free from permanant magnetism. When a recording machine leaves it's factory,the heads are unmagnetized.However,music and speech consist of a series of transients,often not symmetrical in peak value.Other symmetrical transients may occur in line noise,in starting and stopping the machineand particularly during tests.the effect is cumulative,and after a week of steady use the recording head may have picked up enough magnetismto raise the noise level by several DB and to increase second harmonic distortion slightly. WHAT THE DEMAGNETIZER CANNOT DO-" the following common causes for high noise level may exist 1)magnetized recording head 2) noisy input tube in reproducing preamplifier of machine 3)Noisy resistor or condensor in reproducing preamplifier of machine 4)hum pickup in machine circuits 5)bias leakage masquerading as noise 6)Faulty bias waveform during recording...Different heads and different different machines differ unpredictably in their tendancy to magnetization,so that the easiet way to judge effectiveness of a demagnetizer is to try it. On a different note, has anyone botten(a new word synth of bought and gotten) one of the new standalone hi-fi 300.00 XM radio home stereo units? Incidentally,i don't know if this idea has occured to anyone without a home theater set-up,but what about running the audio output from the Music channels on Direct TV into the home stereo?UH oh-xm radio is going to sue me...sorry but this message will prolly be scrubbed,and i don't know why my new windows XP O.S. gets its messages scrubbed-Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Wed Jun 29 07:37:01 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:37:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] demagnetizers Message-ID: <000901c57c6c$93ba75f0$e290a20c@guerrero> hey girls,heres some information on demagnetizers found on the package of my vintage Realistic( 2.95) wand demagnetizer,which incidentally doesnt look that different from the Nak demagnetizer dm-10,of which a few are currently being sold on E-Bay( why would Nak make a low end wand demagnetizer if these things arent effective?).Heres the product info- WHY DEMAGNETIZE?" since the minimum noise level occurs with the tape in unmagnetized condition,it is important that the recording head impart no steady (DC) demagnetizing to it.This can only be true if the head is itself free of permanant magnetism.When a recording machine leaves its factory,the heads are unmagnetized.However,music and speech consist of a series of transients,often not symmetrical in peak value.Other Other symmetrical transients may occur in line noise,in starting and stopping the machineand particiularly during tests.The effect is cumulative,and after a week of steady use the recording head may have picked up enough magnetism to raise the noise level by several DB.Also to increase second harmonic distortion slightly. WHAT THE DEMAGNETIZER CANNOT DO-"The following causes for high noise level may exist: 1) magnetized recording head,2)Noisy input tube,or in solid state,noisy resistor or condensor in reproducing preamplifier of machine.3)hum pickup in machine circuits 4)bias leakage masquerading as noise 5) faulty bias during recording. ...It goes on to say that"different heads and different machines differ unpredictably in their tendancy to magnetization,so that the easiest way to judge effectiveness of a demagnetizer is to try it."----hope this helps. Congrats to Bala on his bruceleedragon,also hows the Ti's newish cr-7 through those great headphones..Gimli?you 're cr-7 doing ok? hows the greats of naktalk getting along - all the greteast bay area guys and the cheesy Bleus(hey,i mean he's from Wisconsin. LOL) and so many other guys i really DO like from Europe(how come ive never seen a Naktalker from France or Spain?),So.Africa, Malaysia,and Australia, and so many other wonderful places!,Speaking of recording,I just self installed a Sony cd-dvd burner to go along with my Samsung CD-rw,now its easy to copy cd's ww/o using the hard drive.One last thing ,has anyone botten(a synthesis of bought and gotten) the new XM home stereo 300.00 standalone 'HI-FI" unit? i would be very interested in a user review.Finally,has anyone ever thought of this--using the direct tv music channels and sending the output from your TV direct to your home stereo(in case you do not have a nice home theater).UH-Oh,i might get sued by XM radio!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 29 09:34:58 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:34:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Model List /ZX5 In-Reply-To: <20050628182833.96269.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <010d01c57bbd$48d6cfc0$0201a8c0@lan> <20050628182833.96269.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25576.212.78.179.234.1120030498.squirrel@212.78.179.234> Hey Bala, As you may know i've been working on a totally new naks.com website for some time now... I have a version running at home but haven't been satisfied with the result so far. Also time is an issue sometimes.. and right now the summer has started here, also no ideal time to spend at home behind one's computer! The new version of naks.com will host all currently present Nak products and all that is related to it.. so think of accessories, faq, features, specifications, items for sale, user reviews etc etc. Also you can view all of this from any point, so you can look for an accessory what decks you could use for it, or what decks use what feature or .... Collection all this data takes some time and that's why i've always stayed away of the other non-cassette products, i simply know more about the decks. The new site will also have a maintenance area and the mysql database i've created for the new site can hold any product so i can imagine that others could be adding products and maintaining them. Once the new naks.com is finished i can think of other interesting websites containing vintage audio gear as well. Wouter > Wouter, > > Is it possible to host all these great resources in > naks.com? > > Bala > > --- Martin Short wrote: > >> 1) >> Scott's list looks pretty complete to me!.. >> certainly a few items I hadn't encountered before, >> so that was interesting! >> >> After perusing Scott's list, and if anyone is >> interested, I have English versions of the following >> Nakamichi brochures that are not already listed on, >> or linked off of Nak model list. Unfortunately I >> cannot host these myself, but could scan and forward >> to interested parties: These are all full two page >> brochures in great condition, though I have some of >> the 1 page 'flyers' as well. >> >> 481/482 >> 581/582 >> 600 II (though this one is a little rough!) >> 700ZXE >> 1000ZXL >> >> BX100/150 >> LX3/LX5 >> MR1 >> RX303/505 >> >> High Com II >> TX1000 turntable >> >> IA1/IA2/ST2 >> IA3 >> >> and Product line up brochures, 1980, 1982,1984,1985. >> >> (If anyone has a brochure for a 582Z.. please send >> me a scan :o) really, it would make my day) >> >> >> 2) >> Apart for the obvious lettering differences, are >> there any other differences between a ZX-5 and >> BX-300?. I had never encountered this model until >> cruising through Wouter's site. >> >> cheers for now, >> >> Martin >> (note to Donald Sangster: I've delivered my 582Z to >> Axent Audio for lubing/fettling, so in about 2-3 >> weeks we'll see what I get back..finger's crossed... >> thanks for the tip!) >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From daveharris at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 29 11:08:46 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:08:46 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] I don't remember seeing this before - even More On cassette collecting References: Message-ID: <016e01c57c8a$283e74c0$bb6065da@vurt> So forgive me if you've seen this page http://www.adelcom.net/ThatsTape.htm Looks like some very old stock and some old stock some of these must date back to the 90's by their packaging Cheers dave -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-7.txt ************************************************************************ From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 00:22:04 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050618164651d6c248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050701222204.79695.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in what appears to be excellent condition. $241.50 with 2 days left. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd=1 item # 5785198588 600 tape deck 610 preamp 620 power amp 630 FM tuner RM-610 speaker switch DS-100 clock/timer --- george valkov wrote: > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. > > George > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the > mechanism. > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were > ever > > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > > > SJ > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have > inside > > > type 1 or > > > 2? > > > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless > upgraded. > > > The > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the > CR > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make > the > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, > but, > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > > cover. > > > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in > the > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in > the > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra > 2-4 dB > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 > deck > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > > dull. > > > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between > IEC1 > > > Naks > > > > > and IEC2 > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > > examples > > > > > of IEC2 > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the > information > > > as > > > > > to > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > > comment > > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I > have a > > > 600 > > > > > Mk I > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The > main > > > > > operational > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition > of > > > a > > > > > headphone > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM > distortion > > > > > during > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the > IEC2 > > > > > models. The > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a > tonality > > > > > reminiscent > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being > a > > > > > recording, > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, > well, > > > like > > > > > really, > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > > superior to > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the > other > > > > > superdecks, > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at > all > > > > > times -- > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which > cannot > > > be > > > > > tweaked > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > > USA > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for > pro > > > audio > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From pawel at bartuzi.org Sat Jul 2 03:36:00 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:36:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Message-ID: <42C5EF80.5070803@bartuzi.org> Hello all, I just bought a well used BX-300e so I consider myself now a happy Nakamichi deck owner. The deck appears to work OK however I would like to read it's manual to read descriptions of functions I am not familiar with - Timer being one example. Does anybody own a downloadable copy of the manual and would be willing to share? Pawel From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sat Jul 2 03:49:28 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:49:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak Message-ID: <000601c57ea8$493d5950$f690a20c@guerrero> Heres a Nak service center in montreal Canada which has been reccommended by a post in the Naktalk Archives.I spent the better part of a day going through the archives from since when i joined Naktalk about a couple years ago.Interesting to see some of the people who have come and gone,and some who still chat since that time.Also great to go over some of the volumiunous data.As i was saying, heres the tech in Canada who I would probably send my nak unit to; ( Esl /jeff Galin appears to be about the only other option i saw posted,and i would expect the bill to be very less from Steve,but i am not com[pletely sure)) Srudick at hotmail.com (audiotech montreal) Its required to indicate that its a "nak question for Steve" so it wont get trashed. P.S someone please sell me a very reasonably priced high end cassette deck immidiatly(im looking for a pioneer,sony or mostly a JVC digifine,before i waste it on something stupid like a woman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepieboy at comcast.net Sat Jul 2 04:31:09 2005 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 02:31:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One Message-ID: <070220050231.24407.42C5FC6D00040BEC00005F57220288874497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> It is worth noting that this item is for local pick-up only--no shipping. This fact is not completely obvious in the listing, but it is explicitly stated. The local sale restriction obviously limits the appeal for most of us. Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- > Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in > what appears to be excellent condition. > > $241.50 with 2 days left. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd= > 1 > item # 5785198588 > > 600 tape deck > 610 preamp > 620 power amp > 630 FM tuner > RM-610 speaker switch > DS-100 clock/timer > > > > --- george valkov wrote: > > > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really > > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. > > > > George > > > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > > > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the > > mechanism. > > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were > > ever > > > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have > > inside > > > > type 1 or > > > > 2? > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless > > upgraded. > > > > The > > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the > > CR > > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make > > the > > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, > > but, > > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > > > cover. > > > > > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in > > the > > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in > > the > > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra > > 2-4 dB > > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 > > deck > > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > > > dull. > > > > > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between > > IEC1 > > > > Naks > > > > > > and IEC2 > > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > > > examples > > > > > > of IEC2 > > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the > > information > > > > as > > > > > > to > > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > > > comment > > > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I > > have a > > > > 600 > > > > > > Mk I > > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The > > main > > > > > > operational > > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition > > of > > > > a > > > > > > headphone > > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM > > distortion > > > > > > during > > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the > > IEC2 > > > > > > models. The > > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a > > tonality > > > > > > reminiscent > > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being > > a > > > > > > recording, > > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, > > well, > > > > like > > > > > > really, > > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > > > superior to > > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the > > other > > > > > > superdecks, > > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at > > all > > > > > > times -- > > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which > > cannot > > > > be > > > > > > tweaked > > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles > > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > > > USA > > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for > > pro > > > > audio > > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 2 06:01:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 04:01:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One Message-ID: Shalom Scott! Yes...you are 100% right! it's very rare, and the final happy buyer...MUST pick by himself directly from the seller store/location. It's NOT expensive...to my calculation!~ Good luck...to the final buyer! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One Date: Fri, 1 >Jul 2005 15:22:04 -0700 (PDT) > >Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in >what appears to be excellent condition. > >$241.50 with 2 days left. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd=1 >item # 5785198588 > >600 tape deck >610 preamp >620 power amp >630 FM tuner >RM-610 speaker switch >DS-100 clock/timer > > > >--- george valkov wrote: > > > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really > > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. > > > > George > > > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > > > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the > > mechanism. > > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were > > ever > > > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have > > inside > > > > type 1 or > > > > 2? > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless > > upgraded. > > > > The > > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the > > CR > > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make > > the > > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, > > but, > > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > > > cover. > > > > > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in > > the > > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in > > the > > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra > > 2-4 dB > > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 > > deck > > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > > > dull. > > > > > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between > > IEC1 > > > > Naks > > > > > > and IEC2 > > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > > > examples > > > > > > of IEC2 > > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the > > information > > > > as > > > > > > to > > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > > > comment > > > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I > > have a > > > > 600 > > > > > > Mk I > > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The > > main > > > > > > operational > > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition > > of > > > > a > > > > > > headphone > > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM > > distortion > > > > > > during > > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the > > IEC2 > > > > > > models. The > > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a > > tonality > > > > > > reminiscent > > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being > > a > > > > > > recording, > > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, > > well, > > > > like > > > > > > really, > > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > > > superior to > > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the > > other > > > > > > superdecks, > > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at > > all > > > > > > times -- > > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which > > cannot > > > > be > > > > > > tweaked > > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles > > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > > > USA > > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for > > pro > > > > audio > > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jul 2 10:12:08 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:12:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: <42C5EF80.5070803@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <000501c57edd$bf278e80$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi, for a service manual for the BX-300 point your browser at http://www.naks.mine.nu/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&P AGE_id=3&MMN_position=6:1 Click on the Nak Manuals link on the right hand side of the page then just download it. If uou need a user's manual then contact me by email and I will send you a copy of mine. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pawel Bartuzi Sent: 02 July 2005 02:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Hello all, I just bought a well used BX-300e so I consider myself now a happy Nakamichi deck owner. The deck appears to work OK however I would like to read it's manual to read descriptions of functions I am not familiar with - Timer being one example. Does anybody own a downloadable copy of the manual and would be willing to share? Pawel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:38:28 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:38:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World Message-ID: <518b7b105070202387c0dc57b@mail.gmail.com> It's a comparison between the CR-7 and the Akai GX-625 RTR deck. I'd be happy to scan the 3 pages in colour for the group, but that would produce a hefty PDF file. I am not that good at these things and cannot spend too much time trying to do it in a different format. If anyone wants to play with the pdf and upload it somewhere accessible to all of us I can send it to them on Monday. George From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 11:41:03 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 02:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak In-Reply-To: <000601c57ea8$493d5950$f690a20c@guerrero> Message-ID: <20050702094103.24132.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice one Gerald, especially the last line. I am 26, and glad I spend my money on 14 Naks instead of girls. Contact me offline, I might have something. Bala --- Gerald Guerrero wrote: > Heres a Nak service center in montreal Canada which > has been reccommended by a post in the Naktalk > Archives.I spent the better part of a day going > through the archives from since when i joined > Naktalk about a couple years ago.Interesting to > see some of the people who have come and gone,and > some who still chat since that time.Also great to go > over some of the volumiunous data.As i was saying, > heres the tech in Canada who I would probably send > my nak unit to; ( Esl /jeff Galin appears to be > about the only other option i saw posted,and i would > expect the bill to be very less from Steve,but i am > not com[pletely sure)) Srudick at hotmail.com > (audiotech montreal) Its required to indicate that > its a "nak question for Steve" so it wont get > trashed. P.S someone please sell me a very > reasonably priced high end cassette deck > immidiatly(im looking for a pioneer,sony or mostly a > JVC digifine,before i waste it on something stupid > like a woman.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 2 12:15:33 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:15:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak Message-ID: Shalom Gerald! Look a this "Rare" item, a whole Nakamichi 600 based components at eBay for less of $:300.00...seems me very cheap, in USA only...you MUST pick up by yourself...the seller "DON'T...intend to ship the items! >Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in what >appears to be excellent condition. > >$241.50 with 2 days left. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd= >1 item # 5785198588 > >600 tape deck 610 preamp 620 power amp 630 FM tuner RM-610 speaker switch >DS-100 clock/timer I hope that I help you! Sincerely, ALEX! >From: "Gerald Guerrero" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:49:28 -0500 > >Heres a Nak service center in montreal Canada which has been reccommended >by a post in the Naktalk Archives.I spent the better part of a day going >through the archives from since when i joined Naktalk about a couple >years ago.Interesting to see some of the people who have come and gone,and >some who still chat since that time.Also great to go over some of the >volumiunous data.As i was saying, heres the tech in Canada who I would >probably send my nak unit to; ( Esl /jeff Galin appears to be about the >only other option i saw posted,and i would expect the bill to be very less >from Steve,but i am not com[pletely sure)) Srudick at hotmail.com (audiotech >montreal) Its required to indicate that its a "nak question for Steve" so >it wont get trashed. P.S someone please sell me a very reasonably priced >high end cassette deck immidiatly(im looking for a pioneer,sony or mostly a >JVC digifine,before i waste it on something stupid like a woman. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 2 12:18:54 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:18:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One Message-ID: Shalom John! He wrote that MUST be pick up..from his home...So what...at that price, IF...you live near him...it's an a supreme bargain! ALEX! >From: thepieboy at comcast.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One Date: Sat, >02 Jul 2005 02:31:09 +0000 > >It is worth noting that this item is for local pick-up only--no shipping. >This fact is not completely obvious in the listing, but it is explicitly >stated. The local sale restriction obviously limits the appeal for most of >us. > >Best regards, >John Derven >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in > > what appears to be excellent condition. > > > > $241.50 with 2 days left. > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd= > > 1 > > item # 5785198588 > > > > 600 tape deck > > 610 preamp > > 620 power amp > > 630 FM tuner > > RM-610 speaker switch > > DS-100 clock/timer > > > > > > > > --- george valkov wrote: > > > > > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really > > > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. > > > > > > George > > > > > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > The Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR series > > > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, CR-3, > > > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the > > > mechanism. > > > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were > > > ever > > > > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > > > > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have > > > inside > > > > > type 1 or > > > > > 2? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless > > > upgraded. > > > > > The > > > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the > > > CR > > > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did make > > > the > > > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being IEC2, > > > but, > > > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the botton > > > > > cover. > > > > > > > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB rise in > > > the > > > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB cut in > > > the > > > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra > > > 2-4 dB > > > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a IEC2 > > > deck > > > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a little > > > > > dull. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between > > > IEC1 > > > > > Naks > > > > > > > and IEC2 > > > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > > > > examples > > > > > > > of IEC2 > > > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the > > > information > > > > > as > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > > > > comment > > > > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI recorders. I > > > have a > > > > > 600 > > > > > > > Mk I > > > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. The > > > main > > > > > > > operational > > > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the addition > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > headphone > > > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM > > > distortion > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone amp. Bad > > > > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the sound of the IEC1 Naks over the > > > IEC2 > > > > > > > models. The > > > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a > > > tonality > > > > > > > reminiscent > > > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not being > > > a > > > > > > > recording, > > > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, > > > well, > > > > > like > > > > > > > really, > > > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the openness and > > > > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not clearly > > > > > > > superior to > > > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the > > > other > > > > > > > superdecks, > > > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak performance at > > > all > > > > > > > times -- > > > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which > > > cannot > > > > > be > > > > > > > tweaked > > > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles > > > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > > > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > > > > > USA > > > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for > > > pro > > > > > audio > > > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 2 12:24:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:24:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Message-ID: Dear Pawel! Don't take care of "Timer"...YOU for 100% sure will NEVER use it! need to be connected to an a externally Timer so...when you are absent from your home...the BX-300 will begin to record what you programmed at that exactly time...Bull Shit!!!!! Maybe some other member that own such deck can help you, if NOT...trough eBay you can buy a copied Instructions, & or the Service manual also...ONLY WILL COST YOU money!!!! ALEX! >From: Pawel Bartuzi >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual >Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:36:00 +0200 > >Hello all, > >I just bought a well used BX-300e so I consider myself now a happy >Nakamichi deck owner. > >The deck appears to work OK however I would like to read it's manual to >read descriptions of functions I am not familiar with - Timer being one >example. Does anybody own a downloadable copy of the manual and would be >willing to share? > >Pawel >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jul 2 19:06:21 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:06:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One In-Reply-To: <070220050231.24407.42C5FC6D00040BEC00005F57220288874497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> References: <070220050231.24407.42C5FC6D00040BEC00005F57220288874497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42C6C98D.8000808@cox.net> Gee, that's tempting. I live within a few hours drive of this System One and have the means to pick it up. I certainly don't need it, and don't know where I'd put it, but but but but...... I've got to think this over. Cheers! Tim thepieboy at comcast.net wrote: > It is worth noting that this item is for local pick-up only--no > shipping. This fact is not completely obvious in the listing, but it > is explicitly stated. The local sale restriction obviously limits the > appeal for most of us. > > Best regards, > John Derven > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in > > what appears to be excellent condition. > > > > $241.50 with 2 days left. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd= > > > 1 > > item # 5785198588 > > > > 600 tape deck > > 610 preamp > > 620 power amp > > 630 FM tuner > > RM-610 speaker switch > > DS-100 clock/timer > > > > > > > > --- george valkov wrote: > > > > > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really > > > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. > > > > > > George > > > > > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > T! he Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR > series > > > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, > CR-3, > > > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the > > > mechanism. > > > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were > > > ever > > > > IEC2 (as far as I know). > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Scott! > > > > > > > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have > > > inside > > > > > type 1 or > > > > > 2? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your information! > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice/productive day, > > > > > > > &g! t; > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless > > > upgraded. > > > > > The > > > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the > > > CR > > > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did > make > > > the > > > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being > IEC2, > > > but, > > > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the > botton > &g! t; > > > cover. > > > > > > > > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB > rise in > > > the > > > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB > cut in > > > the > > > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra > > > 2-4 dB > > > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a > IEC2 > > > deck > > > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a > little > > > > > dull. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have some info on my web page. > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B > > > > > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between > > > IEC1 > > > > > Naks > > > > > > > and IEC2 > > > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some > > > > > examples > > > > > > > of IEC2 > > > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the > > > information > > > > > as > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >! ; > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to > > > > > comment > > > > > > > Kermit? > > > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala > > > > ! > > > > >> > > > > > > > > &g t;> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI > recorders. I > > > have a > > > > > 600 > > > > > > > Mk I > > > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. > The > > > main > > > > > > > operational > > > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the > addition > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > headphone > > > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM > > > distortion > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone > amp. Bad > > > > > trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the! sound of the IEC1 Naks over the > > > IEC2 > > > > > > > models. The > > > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a > > > tonality > > > > > > > reminiscent > > > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not > being > > > a > > > > > > > recording, > > > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, > > > well, > > > > > like > > > > > > > really, > > > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the > openness and > > > > > > > macrodynamics > > > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not > clearly > > > > > > > sup! erior to > > > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the > > > other > > > > > > > superdecks, > > > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak > performance at > > > all > > > > > > > times -- > > > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which > > > cannot > > > > > be > > > > > > > tweaked > > > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles > > > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Kermit Gray > > > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > > > > > > > Bonner Springs, K! S 66012 > > > > > > > > USA > > > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business > > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for > > > pro > > > > > audio > > > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------! > ---------------------========= > > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >! ; Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From esteyes at cox.net Sat Jul 2 19:47:11 2005 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:47:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak SYSTEM1 on ebay Message-ID: <42C6D31F.3090208@cox.net> greetings all, i live in San Diego and have family in Ventura, CA. Santa Barbara is about 3hrs away for me and 30min for those in Ventura. My brother-in-law enjoys fine audio and is also a nak owner (have to pass something on the the less knowing, don't we?) and lives in Ventura. I am sure he could be persuaded to run up to SB should someone purchased this system. so should someone find any of this helpful, please drop me a line a home. best regards neil From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jul 2 20:57:15 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:57:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak SYSTEM1 on ebay In-Reply-To: <42C6D31F.3090208@cox.net> References: <42C6D31F.3090208@cox.net> Message-ID: <42C6E38B.8050804@cox.net> wow, am I confused. somehow I thought this system one was in PA, but on second-checking I see it's not. Well, now I can stop sweating over whether I should bid on it or not. Neil Sturtevant wrote: > greetings all, i live in San Diego and have family in Ventura, CA. > Santa Barbara is about 3hrs away for me and 30min for those in > Ventura. My brother-in-law enjoys fine audio and is also a nak owner > (have to pass something on the the less knowing, don't we?) and lives > in Ventura. I am sure he could be persuaded to run up to SB should > someone purchased this system. so should someone find any of this > helpful, please drop me a line a home. > > best regards > neil > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From flifton at mac.com Sat Jul 2 21:55:31 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:55:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <200507020749.j627mtcw003931@zxe.naks.com> References: <200507020749.j627mtcw003931@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <62E6BA7B-15CC-4F16-83E1-8B03D918C1DA@mac.com> Since I have posted my travails here in the past, I thought I should let the list know that I heard from Stephen Sank, who is going to return my decks to me. He was in a car accident and was unable to communicate, but I gather he is on the mend. Just thought y'all would want to know... best, Fred From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 3 00:00:32 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:00:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak In-Reply-To: <20050702094103.24132.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c57f51$77cf9ae0$229a87d9@oemcomputer> Bala When you get to my age, the girls don't come free; so the 14 Naks would take second place behind them!! Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 3 00:00:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:00:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One In-Reply-To: <42C6C98D.8000808@cox.net> Message-ID: <000b01c57f51$78a0a680$229a87d9@oemcomputer> At that price, it's a no-brainer, Tim. Buy it and sell it on, being prepared to send it wherever, which will give you a higher price!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: 02 July 2005 18:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One > > > Gee, that's tempting. I live within a few hours drive of this System > One and have the means to pick it up. I certainly don't need it, and > don't know where I'd put it, but but but but...... I've got to think > this over. > > Cheers! > Tim > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 01:10:00 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 00:10:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <62E6BA7B-15CC-4F16-83E1-8B03D918C1DA@mac.com> References: <200507020749.j627mtcw003931@zxe.naks.com> <62E6BA7B-15CC-4F16-83E1-8B03D918C1DA@mac.com> Message-ID: <518b7b105070216103b7c4c1f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the update Fred, I have used Stephen's services on a couple of occasions in the past and was quite surprised at your story, since he is not that type of person. At least now we know what happened and I sincerely hope he will be OK soon - we need all the competent service facilities we can get for our precious Naks, don't we ? George On 7/2/05, Fred Lifton wrote: > Since I have posted my travails here in the past, I thought I should > let the list know that I heard from Stephen Sank, who is going to > return my decks to me. He was in a car accident and was unable to > communicate, but I gather he is on the mend. > > Just thought y'all would want to know... > > best, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 01:34:34 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:34:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Looking for Ti Kan (or anyone else's) advise In-Reply-To: <000a01c57f51$77cf9ae0$229a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi guys and sorry for being off topic this time, Ti Kan, i noticed that you have used Dynaudio's 17W75EXT drivers in a home build speaker project. What are the drivers like? Any idea of the T-S parameters? I'm thinking of running them in a car audio setup, full active. On a seperate note, didn't realise you used to write about hi-fi (and naks also?) for Taiwanese hi-fi mags. How did you get interested in Naks? Scott, been following your site development, noticed that the Nakamichi Mobile Tuner Deck 1 was not listed the last time I looked, although the MTD 2 and 3 are. I think you had the corresponding CDC-101 and other CD changers listed though. From pawel at bartuzi.org Sun Jul 3 03:03:40 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:03:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: <000501c57edd$bf278e80$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000501c57edd$bf278e80$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <42C7396C.60404@bartuzi.org> Letter sent... Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Hi, for a service manual for the BX-300 point your browser at > >http://www.naks.mine.nu/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&P >AGE_id=3&MMN_position=6:1 > >Click on the Nak Manuals link on the right hand side of the page then just >download it. > >If uou need a user's manual then contact me by email and I will send you a >copy of mine. > >Shaun > From pawel at bartuzi.org Sun Jul 3 03:15:21 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:15:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C73C29.1060308@bartuzi.org> Hi, Well, the Timer function as you describe it is not of great use to me indeed. I am sure however that although other functions look familiar I will benefit from reading the Nakamichi description of them. As to getting thing from eBay I do not object paying money for things reasonably priced but living in Poland I have to pay enormous amounts of money for shipping and money transfer (very few sellers accept credit cards and PayPal doesn't service Polish users yet). I have to pay as much as 20-45 USD for shipping and about 25-35 USD for money transfer - that makes buying small items just not justifiable. Pawel Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Pawel! > > Don't take care of "Timer"...YOU for 100% sure will NEVER use it! need > to be connected to an a externally Timer so...when you are absent from > your home...the BX-300 will begin to record what you programmed at > that exactly time...Bull Shit!!!!! > > Maybe some other member that own such deck can help you, if > NOT...trough eBay you can buy a copied Instructions, & or the Service > manual also...ONLY WILL COST YOU money!!!! > > ALEX! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 04:56:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 02:56:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Sorry...my dear Gra'...., at our age (I'm now near 62!)...the "MAIN" differences ...are that OUR aged...only "GIRLS"...cost us MORE MONEY...LESS FINAL TIME SPENDING WITH THEM!!!!!!! HOWEVER....WHAT...you can do with "GIRLS"...you 100% can't with NAKs!!!!!!!!!! Sadly but TRUE!!!!!!!! Be well always!!!! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] heres a nak >Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:00:32 +0100 > >Bala > >When you get to my age, the girls don't come free; so the 14 Naks would >take >second place behind them!! > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 05:06:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:06:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak SYSTEM1 on ebay Message-ID: Good Luck..BUT!!!!!don't bid so high!!!!! wait till almost is close!!! ALEX! >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak SYSTEM1 on ebay >Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:57:15 -0400 > >wow, am I confused. somehow I thought this system one was in PA, but on >second-checking I see it's not. Well, now I can stop sweating over whether >I should bid on it or not. > >Neil Sturtevant wrote: > >>greetings all, i live in San Diego and have family in Ventura, CA. Santa >>Barbara is about 3hrs away for me and 30min for those in Ventura. My >>brother-in-law enjoys fine audio and is also a nak owner (have to pass >>something on the the less knowing, don't we?) and lives in Ventura. I am >>sure he could be persuaded to run up to SB should someone purchased this >>system. so should someone find any of this helpful, please drop me a line >>a home. >> >>best regards >>neil >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 05:10:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:10:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One Message-ID: Shalom Tim! 100% surely worth such low price...also IF...you want to sell separately as "Spare Parts"...from which will cover all your expenses...+ joy!!!! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One >Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:06:21 -0400 > >Gee, that's tempting. I live within a few hours drive of this System One >and have the means to pick it up. I certainly don't need it, and don't >know where I'd put it, but but but but...... I've got to think this over. > >Cheers! >Tim > >thepieboy at comcast.net wrote: > >>It is worth noting that this item is for local pick-up only--no shipping. >>This fact is not completely obvious in the listing, but it is explicitly >>stated. The local sale restriction obviously limits the appeal for most of >>us. >> >>Best regards, >>John Derven >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> >> > Here's a rare one. An entire System One, complete with manuals in >> > what appears to be excellent condition. >> > >> > $241.50 with 2 days left. >> > >> > >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5785198588&rd= >> >> > 1 >> > item # 5785198588 >> > >> > 600 tape deck >> > 610 preamp >> > 620 power amp >> > 630 FM tuner >> > RM-610 speaker switch >> > DS-100 clock/timer >> > >> > >> > >> > --- george valkov wrote: >> > >> > > Since they stopped making the Dragon in 1994-95, I can't really >> > > believe they're all IEC1. I could be totally wrong, too. >> > > >> > > George >> > > >> > > On 6/17/05, Scott Johnson wrote: >> > > > T! he Dragon came out in 1982, 4 years before any of the CR >> series >> > > > decks and 6 years before any of the IEC2 decks (CR-1, CR-2, >> CR-3, >> > > > CR-4) Your Dragon is IEC1. Another way to tell is by the >> > > mechanism. >> > > > The Dragon has the classic Nak mechanism and none of them were >> > > ever >> > > > IEC2 (as far as I know). >> > > > >> > > > SJ >> > > > >> > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Shalom Scott! >> > > > > >> > > > > Only for my files...my 1984 made Dragon's which "IEC" have >> > > inside >> > > > > type 1 or >> > > > > 2? >> > > > > >> > > > > Thank you so much for your information! >> > > > > >> > > > > Have a nice/productive day, >> > > > > >> > &g! t; > > ALEX! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >From: Scott Johnson >> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 >> > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) >> > > > > > >> > > > > >Everything from the BX series and older is IEC1 unless >> > > upgraded. >> > > > > The >> > > > > >CR-5 and the earlier CR-7's are IEC1. Everything else in the >> > > CR >> > > > > >series and later is IEC2. The MR-2 is IEC1, but, Nak did >> make >> > > the >> > > > > >MR-1 in two flavors MR-1 and MR-1B with the later being >> IEC2, >> > > but, >> > > > > >the only identifying mark is a small white stick on the >> botton >> &g! t; > > > cover. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >The major different between IEC1 and IEC2 is a 2-4 dB >> rise in >> > > the >> > > > > >high end when recording to a tape and a matching 2-4 dB >> cut in >> > > the >> > > > > >high end when playing back. IEC1 Naks don't have the extra >> > > 2-4 dB >> > > > > >boost during recording and when that tape is played on a >> IEC2 >> > > deck >> > > > > >the top end gets cut by 2-4 dB making the tape sound a >> little >> > > > > dull. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >I have some info on my web page. >> > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >> > > > > >and search for IEC1 and MR-1B >> > > > > > >> > > > > >SJ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >--- Jonathan Ochi wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kermit or anyone else, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have been curious about the difference in sound between >> > > IEC1 >> > > > > Naks >> > > > > > > and IEC2 >> > > > > > > Naks. What are some examples of IEC1 Naks? What are some >> > > > > examples >> > > > > > > of IEC2 >> > > > > > > Naks? Is there a website where one can look up the >> > > information >> > > > > as >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > whether any particular Nak is IEC1 or IEC2? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for any info. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jon >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >! ; > > > > From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:58 PM >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi guys, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Michael Moore wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Actually, there were a few other differences. Care to >> > > > > comment >> > > > > > > Kermit? >> > > > > > > > > Atlanta Mike >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Donald Sangster wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Hi Bala >> > > > ! > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > &g t;> I agree about early NAK decks and AKAI >> recorders. I >> > > have a >> > > > > 600 >> > > > > > > Mk I >> > > > > > > > >> which was recently refurbished, and it is superb. >> The >> > > main >> > > > > > > operational >> > > > > > > > >> difference between the Mk I and Mk II was the >> addition >> > > of >> > > > > a >> > > > > > > headphone >> > > > > > > > >> socket on Mk II. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The 600 had an excellent circuit that reduced IM >> > > distortion >> > > > > > > during >> > > > > > > > record. The 600-II traded this for the headphone >> amp. Bad >> > > > > trade. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Overall, I prefer the! sound of the IEC1 Naks over the >> > > IEC2 >> > > > > > > models. The >> > > > > > > > IEC1 Naks have a more detailed spatial image and a >> > > tonality >> > > > > > > reminiscent >> > > > > > > > of a studio reel-to-reel, as well as a sense of not >> being >> > > a >> > > > > > > recording, >> > > > > > > > if you get what I'm driving at. The IEC2 Naks sound, >> > > well, >> > > > > like >> > > > > > > really, >> > > > > > > > really well made cassette decks, lacking the >> openness and >> > > > > > > macrodynamics >> > > > > > > > of reel-to-reels or live events. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Although oustanding, I feel the IEC2 Naks are not >> clearly >> > > > > > > sup! erior to >> > > > > > > > other superdecks, like the Revox B710. BUT, unlike the >> > > other >> > > > > > > superdecks, >> > > > > > > > the Naks have automation that allows peak >> performance at >> > > all >> > > > > > > times -- >> > > > > > > > which is an advantage over decks like the Revox, which >> > > cannot >> > > > > be >> > > > > > > tweaked >> > > > > > > > by the user or by built-in automation. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A heretical position, with apologies to Nakaphiles >> > > worldwide. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > Kermit Gray >> > > > > > > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> > > > > > > > 16371 Lake Point Drive >> > > > > > > > Bonner Springs, K! S 66012 >> > > > > > > > USA >> > > > > > > > 816-918-5058 cellphone >> > > > > > > > 913-422-0957 business >> > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> > > > > > > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for >> > > pro >> > > > > audio >> > > > > > > info >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/register >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------! >> ---------------------========= >> > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > > > > > > > Maintain your account here: >> > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > === message truncated === >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________ >> > Yahoo! Sports >> > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >> > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >! ; Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 05:17:46 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:17:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak Message-ID: Shalom Bala! You wrote: >I am 26, >and glad I spend my money on 14 Naks instead of girls< Sorry...Bala, Naks ONLY...but ONLY...when you will be at my age or more...Girls came at your age first.... "Your INSTRUMENT"....don't last forever!!!!! So keep hin in "SHAPE"...(You understand...no?). Be well and in thoroughly shape!!!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] heres a nak >Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 02:41:03 -0700 (PDT) > >Nice one Gerald, especially the last line. I am 26, >and glad I spend my money on 14 Naks instead of girls. >Contact me offline, I might have something. > >Bala > >--- Gerald Guerrero wrote: > > > Heres a Nak service center in montreal Canada which > > has been reccommended by a post in the Naktalk > > Archives.I spent the better part of a day going > > through the archives from since when i joined > > Naktalk about a couple years ago.Interesting to > > see some of the people who have come and gone,and > > some who still chat since that time.Also great to go > > over some of the volumiunous data.As i was saying, > > heres the tech in Canada who I would probably send > > my nak unit to; ( Esl /jeff Galin appears to be > > about the only other option i saw posted,and i would > > expect the bill to be very less from Steve,but i am > > not com[pletely sure)) Srudick at hotmail.com > > (audiotech montreal) Its required to indicate that > > its a "nak question for Steve" so it wont get > > trashed. P.S someone please sell me a very > > reasonably priced high end cassette deck > > immidiatly(im looking for a pioneer,sony or mostly a > > JVC digifine,before i waste it on something stupid > > like a woman.> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 06:16:52 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One In-Reply-To: <000b01c57f51$78a0a680$229a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050703041652.95017.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> He's about two to two and a half hours drive for me. It's a nice drive up the coast too. I could make a mini vacation out of it. I'm going to pass however. SJ --- Nelson wrote: > At that price, it's a no-brainer, Tim. Buy it and sell it on, > being > prepared to send it wherever, which will give you a higher price!! > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Barrett > > Sent: 02 July 2005 18:06 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare item - Complete Nakamichi System One > > > > > > Gee, that's tempting. I live within a few hours drive of this > System > > One and have the means to pick it up. I certainly don't need it, > and > > don't know where I'd put it, but but but but...... I've got to > think > > this over. > > > > Cheers! > > Tim > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 07:56:14 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak In-Reply-To: <000a01c57f51$77cf9ae0$229a87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050703055614.54770.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, Well I hope to find someone who would appreciate me and the Naks! But I've seen and heard the trouble with girls, which makes dealing with the 1000ZXL so much easier. Regards Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Bala > > When you get to my age, the girls don't come free; > so the 14 Naks would take > second place behind them!! > > Gra' > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From ti at amb.org Mon Jul 4 05:19:13 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - Looking for Ti Kan (or anyone else's) advise In-Reply-To: from "winnie pooh" at Jul 02, 2005 11:34:34 PM Message-ID: <20050704031913.085C625460@smtp.amb.org> winnie pooh writes: > Ti Kan, i noticed that you have used Dynaudio's 17W75EXT drivers in a home > build speaker project. What are the drivers like? Any idea of the T-S > parameters? I'm thinking of running them in a car audio setup, full active. These are 6.5-inch drivers with very smooth response characteristics. It is the "extended range" version of the 17W75, great for 2-way designs in a bookshelf-sized enclosure with Dynaudio's "variovent". It has a 3" voice coil with very high power handling (IEC long term 130W, max transient 1000W). They're not terribly efficient at around 85dB SPL/W/m. I suppose they would also work fine in car applications. The T-S parameters are (for the 8 ohm version): Fs = 39Hz Qts = 0.74 Vas = 18 liters The Qts is a bit high for a totally closed box design, but with the variovent it works nicely in a box with 16 liter internal volume. It doesn't have very deep bass in this setup (-3dB at around 45Hz), so augmenting with a subwoofer is a good idea. I mated the 17W75ext with the Dynaudio D-260 Esotec tweeter, and they are fabulous. This is got to be one of my all-time favorite tweeters. > On a seperate note, didn't realise you used to write about hi-fi (and naks > also?) for Taiwanese hi-fi mags. How did you get interested in Naks? I wrote about a lot of different topics, some general while others were more technical. Not a whole lot about cassette decks though. That was in the 1980s when the Nak Dragon has just come on-scene and I had wanted one but the price was too rich for me. It wasn't until about three years ago that I got my first Nak -- the Dragon, and then last year I also got a CR-7. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 14:02:47 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050703120247.76398.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex and Graham, After having experieced the stress of girls, I find the problems faced with a totally dead 1000ZXL more manageable. Or is it just the girls at this part of the world..? Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Gra' > > Sorry...my dear Gra'...., at our age (I'm now near > 62!)...the "MAIN" > differences ...are that OUR aged...only > "GIRLS"...cost us MORE MONEY...LESS > FINAL TIME SPENDING WITH THEM!!!!!!! > HOWEVER....WHAT...you can do with "GIRLS"...you 100% > can't with > NAKs!!!!!!!!!! > > Sadly but TRUE!!!!!!!! > > Be well always!!!! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] heres a nak > >Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:00:32 +0100 > > > >Bala > > > >When you get to my age, the girls don't come free; > so the 14 Naks would > >take > >second place behind them!! > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:40:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:40:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Message-ID: My dear Pawel! Yes... shipping to Poland is a little bit expensive...I completely agreed! I'm 100% sure that another great member of our forum will be delight to help you with such Instructions...happens that i never own such model...only the really very expensive ones...today I use a Dragon. New well...;BTW...I'm writing & living in Israel! ALEX! >From: Pawel Bartuzi >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300e manual >Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:15:21 +0200 > >Hi, > >Well, the Timer function as you describe it is not of great use to me >indeed. I am sure however that although other functions look familiar I >will benefit from reading the Nakamichi description of them. > >As to getting thing from eBay I do not object paying money for things >reasonably priced but living in Poland I have to pay enormous amounts >of money for shipping and money transfer (very few sellers accept credit >cards and PayPal doesn't service Polish users yet). I have to pay as much >as 20-45 USD for shipping and about 25-35 USD for money transfer - that >makes buying small items just not justifiable. > >Pawel > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >>Dear Pawel! >> >>Don't take care of "Timer"...YOU for 100% sure will NEVER use it! need to >>be connected to an a externally Timer so...when you are absent from your >>home...the BX-300 will begin to record what you programmed at that exactly >>time...Bull Shit!!!!! >> >>Maybe some other member that own such deck can help you, if NOT...trough >>eBay you can buy a copied Instructions, & or the Service manual >>also...ONLY WILL COST YOU money!!!! >> >>ALEX! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:46:11 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:46:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: <42C7396C.60404@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: Dear Pawel! Now you can download what you was asking!!!! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Pawel Bartuzi >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300e manual >Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:03:40 +0200 > >Letter sent... > >Shaun Montgomery wrote: > >>Hi, for a service manual for the BX-300 point your browser at >> >>http://www.naks.mine.nu/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&P >>AGE_id=3&MMN_position=6:1 >> >>Click on the Nak Manuals link on the right hand side of the page then just >>download it. >> >>If uou need a user's manual then contact me by email and I will send you a >>copy of mine. >> >>Shaun >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 3 16:39:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:39:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 and Nakamichi USA In-Reply-To: <518b7b105070216103b7c4c1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301c57fdd$12de84c0$f677893e@oemcomputer> I see a ZX-9 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5786638063&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1 whereon Patti of Nakamichi is being quoted as having said it is "...easily as good as the Dragon." It's lost all its dust caps for the bias knobs ... Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 3 17:28:48 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:28:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak - Bala In-Reply-To: <20050703055614.54770.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c57fe3$e88ebee0$f677893e@oemcomputer> Aha! More trouble than she's worth ... you've met that girl, too, then! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 03 July 2005 06:56 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] heres a nak > > > Hi Graham, > > Well I hope to find someone who would appreciate me > and the Naks! But I've seen and heard the trouble with > girls, which makes dealing with the 1000ZXL so much > easier. > > Regards > Bala > From pawel at bartuzi.org Sun Jul 3 21:55:01 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:55:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - rear cover temperature Message-ID: <42C84295.4080605@bartuzi.org> Hello all, My BX rear panel gets pretty hot in the region where the transformer/converter and two transistors are located. Is this normal? Also, should two of the transistors connected to a metal plate (which is connected to a rear panel) look the same? On my example one is black and the other green. Pawel BTW: I compared today my 20 recently acquired BX-300 to a Marantz PM-53. My BX was right out of the box with unknow history and no calibration whatsoever while Marantz was bought new and very well cared for - and BX sounded better. I am sure if properly calibrated my BX would just blow Marantz away. From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Mon Jul 4 07:40:58 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:40:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Looking for Ti Kan (or anyone else's) advise Message-ID: <000a01c5805a$f4fde8a0$9590a20c@guerrero> bless you steven,and please forgive me for badmouthing you.i wish you well,and i dont care if you ever work on another Nak-just get well! regarding the 6 aND 1/2 INCH CAR AUDIO WOOFER? WELLT AHTS AMAZING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BLOWING THE CHEAPO woofers at an alarming rate,. yet i called up 'PAARTS EXPRESS" and they have a computer program that they plug your speaker box dimensions into,and that provides them a basis for suggesting a woofer., the tech assured me that the reason my woofers were blowing out at max voloume was beacuse they were cheap and not configured to my specs. heres what the deal was-and yes im so sorry to be OT,except that most of my cd's are burned from my NAK RX-303!!----HI_VI 297-446 (46.74 each) reccomended for my box 10 and 1/8 X 11 X 21 inches..This car audio woofer is going to be used with a cheap wal-mart speaker box(modified with lots of dynomat and stuffing)tight thumping but controlled bass(sorry,i hate the farting uncontrolled sound of underpowered subs). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Jul 4 08:40:00 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 06:40:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Looking for Ti Kan (or anyone else's) advise In-Reply-To: <20050704031913.085C625460@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Thank you very much for all your answers! 谢谢你 >These are 6.5-inch drivers with very smooth response characteristics. >It is the "extended range" version of the 17W75, great for 2-way designs >in a bookshelf-sized enclosure with Dynaudio's "variovent". It has a 3" >voice coil with very high power handling (IEC long term 130W, max transient >1000W). They're not terribly efficient at around 85dB SPL/W/m. I suppose >they would also work fine in car applications. > >The T-S parameters are (for the 8 ohm version): >Fs = 39Hz >Qts = 0.74 >Vas = 18 liters > >The Qts is a bit high for a totally closed box design, but with the >variovent it works nicely in a box with 16 liter internal volume. >It doesn't have very deep bass in this setup (-3dB at around 45Hz), >so augmenting with a subwoofer is a good idea. > >I mated the 17W75ext with the Dynaudio D-260 Esotec tweeter, and they are >fabulous. This is got to be one of my all-time favorite tweeters. >I wrote about a lot of different topics, some general while others >were more technical. Not a whole lot about cassette decks though. >That was in the 1980s when the Nak Dragon has just come on-scene and >I had wanted one but the price was too rich for me. It wasn't until >about three years ago that I got my first Nak -- the Dragon, and >then last year I also got a CR-7. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 4 10:30:17 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 01:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] heres a nak - Bala In-Reply-To: <004901c57fe3$e88ebee0$f677893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050704083017.4859.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I have. But like good and bad sounding Naks, there must be the good and bad ones also I presume. The 1000ZXL? I'd compare it to Marylin Monroe. Cheers! Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Aha! More trouble than she's worth ... you've met > that girl, too, then! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Sent: 03 July 2005 06:56 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] heres a nak > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > Well I hope to find someone who would appreciate > me > > and the Naks! But I've seen and heard the trouble > with > > girls, which makes dealing with the 1000ZXL so > much > > easier. > > > > Regards > > Bala > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 4 16:24:36 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 and Nakamichi USA In-Reply-To: <003301c57fdd$12de84c0$f677893e@oemcomputer> References: <518b7b105070216103b7c4c1f@mail.gmail.com> <003301c57fdd$12de84c0$f677893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <11503.212.78.179.234.1120487076.squirrel@212.78.179.234> And i wonder if it hasn't lost it's feet. It's sitting quite close to the bench... I've seen some Naks were owners had removed the feet (to make it fit a rack or other storage) so it could be possible or just an optical illusion.. At least ask the owner about it! And those dustcaps... a rare find! Wouter > > I see a ZX-9 on eBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5786638063&ssPageName=ADM > E:B:SS:US:1 whereon Patti of Nakamichi is being quoted as having said it > is > "...easily as good as the Dragon." > > It's lost all its dust caps for the bias knobs ... > > Gra' >> From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 4 19:22:08 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - rear cover temperature In-Reply-To: <42C84295.4080605@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20050704172208.81053.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Pawel I do not know where is your BX 300 is located? but it is normal to have quite a hot Volatge regulator circuit - the two transistors are bolted to the Back plate to dissipate some heat. I have tried connecting a large Aluminium plate to make the transistors work at lower temperature. But I have used many other BX300 working without any problem ( in India where ambient temperatures average about 90 -100 Deg F Pawel Bartuzi wrote: Hello all, My BX rear panel gets pretty hot in the region where the transformer/converter and two transistors are located. Is this normal? Also, should two of the transistors connected to a metal plate (which is connected to a rear panel) look the same? On my example one is black and the other green. Pawel BTW: I compared today my 20 recently acquired BX-300 to a Marantz PM-53. My BX was right out of the box with unknow history and no calibration whatsoever while Marantz was bought new and very well cared for - and BX sounded better. 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Gra' From jmtooley at verizon.net Mon Jul 4 22:52:27 2005 From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:52:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's Message-ID: <005401c580da$4ccd5c80$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl> OFF TOPIC Fellow members I'm thinking of buying a pair of Yamaha NS-1000 loudspeakers. I have to be able to monitor my cassette and reel decks though something right ;-) Anybody here owned or heard these speakers and would have any comments pro or con? Carlos, you ever heard these? Thank you John T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Jul 4 23:13:27 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:13:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - rear cover temperature In-Reply-To: <20050704172208.81053.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050704172208.81053.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42C9A677.1060500@bartuzi.org> My BX gets hot just sitting on a table with no airflow obstruction of any kind. It is reassuring to know other BXes get hot, too. :-) Thanks for the information, Pawel kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > HI Pawel > I do not know where is your BX 300 is located? but it is normal to > have quite a hot Volatge regulator circuit - the two transistors are > bolted to the Back plate to dissipate some heat. I have tried > connecting a large Aluminium plate to make the transistors work at > lower temperature. But I have used many other BX300 working without > any problem ( in India where ambient temperatures average about 90 > -100 Deg F From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Jul 4 23:22:03 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:22:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C9A87B.5030400@bartuzi.org> Hi Alex, Then shipping gotta be expensive to you, too. I received scanned copy of manual from Shaun Montgomery whom I thank a lot - now I have both the owner's and service manual for my BX. I'd like to buy some higher spec Nakamichi deck some day and if only cassette doesn't die as a medium I am sure I will, not neccessarily Dragon though (it is still very expensive and I would be affraid of service problems here in Poland). Pawel Alex Cozac wrote: > My dear Pawel! > > Yes... shipping to Poland is a little bit expensive...I completely > agreed! I'm 100% sure that another great member of our forum will be > delight to help you with such Instructions...happens that i never own > such model...only the really very expensive ones...today I use a Dragon. > > New well...;BTW...I'm writing & living in Israel! > > ALEX! From MonahansPipes at aol.com Tue Jul 5 00:14:03 2005 From: MonahansPipes at aol.com (MonahansPipes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:14:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: Inexpensive Maxell XL-IIs online Message-ID: <1d8.40270178.2ffb0eab@aol.com> I just purchased 11 at $21.00 with shipping (maxell) Sony at .45 Dennis thetapecompany.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 02:31:44 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's In-Reply-To: <005401c580da$4ccd5c80$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl> Message-ID: <20050705003145.52073.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think few old posts on ( naktalk) these monitors exist - particularly about those tweeters ( Beryllium ) - Very positive and I have seen thos e easily gets very good bidding on ebay as well - so there are good number of followers for these. NS 2000 are better and rarer to find. My advice go for it Kannan John Tooley wrote: OFF TOPIC Fellow members I'm thinking of buying a pair of Yamaha NS-1000 loudspeakers. I have to be able to monitor my cassette and reel decks though something right ;-) Anybody here owned or heard these speakers and would have any comments pro or con? Carlos, you ever heard these? Thank you John T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Jul 5 00:56:50 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:56:50 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's References: <005401c580da$4ccd5c80$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl> Message-ID: <00a601c580eb$aa1dd980$e94e98de@tec> Hi John I have never heard them, but they are famous! Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: John Tooley To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com ; Reel_Tapes at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's OFF TOPIC Fellow members I'm thinking of buying a pair of Yamaha NS-1000 loudspeakers. I have to be able to monitor my cassette and reel decks though something right ;-) Anybody here owned or heard these speakers and would have any comments pro or con? Carlos, you ever heard these? Thank you John T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jul 5 03:13:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 01:13:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 and Nakamichi USA Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Once or I read, or heard...exactly |I don't recall, that also the Dragon was provided with such "Dust Caps"...it's true? Mine as was received boxed from an a good music lover friend, by his widow, & I "Boxed" back 20 years ago...from Switzerland from which my particularly Dragon was acquired, came "WITH NO DUST CAPS"...?! Thanks for any reliable information on this matter! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 and Nakamichi USA >Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:25:45 +0100 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > > Sent: 04 July 2005 15:25 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 and Nakamichi USA > > > > > > > > And those dustcaps... a rare find! > > > > Wouter > > >I bought mine with a full set of dust caps but I lost one. However, B&W >replaced it for me when I sent the deck in for service ... I was very >pleased!! The icing on the cake ... > >Gra' > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jul 5 03:18:47 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 01:18:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Message-ID: My dear Pawel! Totally agree!!!! In Poland...can be very difficulty to service well..any "High End" line nak machine! Be happy with your acquired Nak, and enjoy listening it! Regards, ALEX! >From: Pawel Bartuzi >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300e manual >Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:22:03 +0200 > >Hi Alex, > >Then shipping gotta be expensive to you, too. > >I received scanned copy of manual from Shaun Montgomery whom I thank a lot >- now I have both the owner's and service manual for my BX. > >I'd like to buy some higher spec Nakamichi deck some day and if only >cassette doesn't die as a medium I am sure I will, not neccessarily Dragon >though (it is still very expensive and I would be affraid of service >problems here in Poland). > >Pawel > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >>My dear Pawel! >> >>Yes... shipping to Poland is a little bit expensive...I completely agreed! >>I'm 100% sure that another great member of our forum will be delight to >>help you with such Instructions...happens that i never own such >>model...only the really very expensive ones...today I use a Dragon. >> >>New well...;BTW...I'm writing & living in Israel! >> >>ALEX! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From j.doupe at btinternet.com Tue Jul 5 10:36:35 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:36:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's References: <005401c580da$4ccd5c80$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl> Message-ID: <002c01c5813c$a7b5d660$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi, with regards to these Yams, they are quite a rare find, and should sound very good. I've got a pair of the Yamaha NS10M monitors in my home studio and they are a great speaer. They give out what they are given and don't add or take anything from the sound. Very analytical, and should suit monitoring very well. I've been looking for a set of the 1000's myself, but not been able to see any recently. Happy listening if you get them, I'm sure you'll enjoy them. Regards Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Tooley To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com ; Reel_Tapes at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's OFF TOPIC Fellow members I'm thinking of buying a pair of Yamaha NS-1000 loudspeakers. I have to be able to monitor my cassette and reel decks though something right ;-) Anybody here owned or heard these speakers and would have any comments pro or con? Carlos, you ever heard these? Thank you John T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ornsman at hotmail.com Tue Jul 5 23:18:07 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:18:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 References: <200506280905.j5S94xgX018464@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dear Dave, That is quite amazing! I have long been interested in different tapes. Those "reel to reel" compact cassettes I have seen before only in photographs, and I always wanted one! But I never ever saw one in the flesh. Were they ever released in the U.K.? They have such novelty value! One tape I did see once in mid 80's was the top of the range TDK Metal position tape, which appeared to have a plastic and solid METAL casing?!!!??? Is this right, or was it a dream? Regards. Ornette ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:06 +1200 From: Dave Harris Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hi Guys Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ Cheers dave From daveharris at clear.net.nz Wed Jul 6 10:42:17 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:42:17 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 References: <200506280905.j5S94xgX018464@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <01d401c58206$9d9ca2b0$525c65da@vurt> Hi Ornette Like you I have only seen pictures of the cassettes with the lttle "reels" in them. Many catalogues seem to feature them. I am lucky ehough to have one of the TDK MA-XG cassettes with the metal casing no it was not a dream ... a very nice tape though and I think that you could get TDK SA in the same housing though I've never seen one. I always liked the look of Thats brand tape with the triangular window to dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ornette Wilson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 > Dear Dave, > > That is quite amazing! I have long been interested in different tapes. > Those "reel to reel" compact cassettes I have seen before only in > photographs, and I always wanted one! But I never ever saw one in the > flesh. Were they ever released in the U.K.? They have such novelty > value! > > One tape I did see once in mid 80's was the top of the range TDK Metal > position tape, which appeared to have a plastic and solid METAL > casing?!!!??? Is this right, or was it a dream? > > Regards. > Ornette > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:06 +1200 > From: Dave Harris > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Hi Guys > > Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" > > http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ > > Cheers dave > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 1/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 1/07/2005 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jul 6 11:39:36 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:39:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 Message-ID: No that was not a dream Ornette!!!! That was a TDK MA-XG - a rather greenish-black metal alloy shell. Very weighty indeed. It superseded the MA-R - also a steel construction and arguably a bit prettier. These, together with Maxell's Metal Vertex, Sony's Super Metal Master and That's Metal Suono were colloquially known as the "super-metals". All of these were available in the UK. Not only did they have novelty value, but in the right decks, they were without peer in terms of sound quality. Cheers - Marc >>> ornsman at hotmail.com 07/05/05 11:18PM >>> Dear Dave, That is quite amazing! I have long been interested in different tapes. Those "reel to reel" compact cassettes I have seen before only in photographs, and I always wanted one! But I never ever saw one in the flesh. Were they ever released in the U.K.? They have such novelty value! One tape I did see once in mid 80's was the top of the range TDK Metal position tape, which appeared to have a plastic and solid METAL casing?!!!??? Is this right, or was it a dream? Regards. Ornette ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:06 +1200 From: Dave Harris Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hi Guys Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ Cheers dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jul 6 13:06:32 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:06:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's Message-ID: Howzit John, NS1000/Ms are truly wonderful speakers - very hard to find though. The very top units from the Japanese majors were sometimes unusually accomplished - and expensive. Like the LS 5000 from Kenwood which was also very high-tech, although efficient, they will benefit of plenty of clean power (and current). The closest sound I have heard to these sorts of units would be Boston's Lynfield 300 and 500 series. They combine power with transparency and low colouration. Good luck with your search. Marc >>> j.doupe at btinternet.com 07/05/05 10:36AM >>> Hi, with regards to these Yams, they are quite a rare find, and should sound very good. I've got a pair of the Yamaha NS10M monitors in my home studio and they are a great speaer. They give out what they are given and don't add or take anything from the sound. Very analytical, and should suit monitoring very well. I've been looking for a set of the 1000's myself, but not been able to see any recently. Happy listening if you get them, I'm sure you'll enjoy them. Regards Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Tooley To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com ; Reel_Tapes at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Yamaha NS-1000's OFF TOPIC Fellow members I'm thinking of buying a pair of Yamaha NS-1000 loudspeakers. I have to be able to monitor my cassette and reel decks though something right ;-) Anybody here owned or heard these speakers and would have any comments pro or con? Carlos, you ever heard these? Thank you John T. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. 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They were very detailed and quick, without becoming harsh. From pawel at bartuzi.org Wed Jul 6 19:45:10 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:45:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools Message-ID: <42CC18A6.7020100@bartuzi.org> Hi all, I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven procedure for calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for example?). Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it had however only one head for recording and playing so that was relatively easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may not be able to return to the original state anymore. So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her Nakamichi deck by ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper calibration tapes and tools only? Best regards, Pawel From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Thu Jul 7 00:20:35 2005 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 Message-ID: <"USAMAML01-050706221945Z-489652*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> I am not a particularly sophisticated audiophile, although I have some decent pieces... But I have always wondered why the technology used in the old tapes used for computer file back up was not adopted for high-end audio use. Those tapes had heavy, rigid shells and very solid mechanisms. Always thought they would make for a high performance audio tape if they were made in the cassette standard size. They weren't much bigger, but thicker, as I recall. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:40 AM To: ornsman at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 Importance: Low No that was not a dream Ornette!!!! That was a TDK MA-XG - a rather greenish-black metal alloy shell. Very weighty indeed. It superseded the MA-R - also a steel construction and arguably a bit prettier. These, together with Maxell's Metal Vertex, Sony's Super Metal Master and That's Metal Suono were colloquially known as the "super-metals". All of these were available in the UK. Not only did they have novelty value, but in the right decks, they were without peer in terms of sound quality. Cheers - Marc >>> ornsman at hotmail.com 07/05/05 11:18PM >>> Dear Dave, That is quite amazing! I have long been interested in different tapes. Those "reel to reel" compact cassettes I have seen before only in photographs, and I always wanted one! But I never ever saw one in the flesh. Were they ever released in the U.K.? They have such novelty value! One tape I did see once in mid 80's was the top of the range TDK Metal position tape, which appeared to have a plastic and solid METAL casing?!!!??? Is this right, or was it a dream? Regards. Ornette ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:06 +1200 From: Dave Harris Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Collecting To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hi Guys Spotted this yesterday "Cassette Collecting" http://features.engadget.com/entry/1234000767048136/ Cheers dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jul 7 07:05:05 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:05:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: <42CC18A6.7020100@bartuzi.org> References: <42CC18A6.7020100@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <42CCB801.4080802@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Pawel, Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her Nakamichi deck by > ear? No. The ear is too fallible, and too vairable, to be a reliable calibration instrument, alas. > Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper calibration > tapes and tools only? Definitely this is a thing to be done only with proper calibration tapes and at the least a good oscillator and RMS AC voltmeter. My faithful old Hewlett-Packard 200 oscillator and 400 Vacuum Tube AC Voltmeter have served me well for decades. An oscilloscope is a great help and a frequency counter is a wonderful convenience. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jul 7 13:23:10 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:23:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA7F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt and Cassette forum, I have just heard of the terrible news that struck London today. I only hope that no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by these bizzare and stupid acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off topic but I cannot just sit idle and not say anything about what has happened because I care about everyone on these forums. Tom Siomopoulos. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jul 7 14:14:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:14:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. Message-ID: Dear Tom! You are in Australia, so...from The Holy Land...Israel I add myself to this mail...to all our lovely Nak addicts in whole UK! Shalom!!!!!!! Sincerely, ALEX! >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Naktalk mail list (naktalk at naks.com)" >Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:23:10 +1000 > >To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt and Cassette forum, I have >just heard of the terrible news that struck London today. I only hope that >no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by these bizzare and stupid >acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off topic but I cannot just sit >idle and not say anything about what has happened because I care about >everyone on these forums. > >Tom Siomopoulos. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Thu Jul 7 14:22:24 2005 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:22:24 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA7F@mis-exchange.NECA U.NEC.COM.AU> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA7F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050708002058.020ae1a0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> And from New Zealand - my thoughts are with those in the UK. Brett Dickel At 11:23 p.m. 7/07/2005, you wrote: >To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt and Cassette forum, I have >just heard of the terrible news that struck London today. I only hope that >no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by these bizzare and stupid >acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off topic but I cannot just sit >idle and not say anything about what has happened because I care about >everyone on these forums. > >Tom Siomopoulos. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 15:12:54 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:12:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA7F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA7F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <518b7b105070706121f5f908d@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, Tom, luckily for me I left London earlier this morning on a business trip, otherwise would have been on my way to work in the City right at the time. I've just arrived at my destination and am learning of the horrific details. I'm cutting this short, still trying to get in touch with family, friends, colleagues, etc. George On 7/7/05, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt and Cassette forum, I have > just heard of the terrible news that struck London today. I only hope that > no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by these bizzare and stupid > acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off topic but I cannot just sit > idle and not say anything about what has happened because I care about > everyone on these forums. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 7 15:48:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:48:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DA7F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <002701c582fa$9350ad20$0b9d4c51@oemcomputer> Thanks Tom. That's appreciated, mate! But I urge everyone to carry on as normal and get back to chatting Naks - to behave otherwise means the terrorists have already won. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 07 July 2005 12:23 > To: Naktalk mail list (naktalk at naks.com) > Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. > > > To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt and Cassette > forum, I have > just heard of the terrible news that struck London today. I only hope that > no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by these bizzare and stupid > acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off topic but I > cannot just sit > idle and not say anything about what has happened because I care about > everyone on these forums. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > From jchoroszucha at msn.com Fri Jul 8 02:04:40 2005 From: jchoroszucha at msn.com (Jan Choroszucha) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:04:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer Message-ID: I am interested in the Annis Han D Mag 115s model, my question is does any one own this model and can you get the unit close enough to the head with the cassette door open, On a Nak model # BX1 or BX 125? The demagnetizer looks bulky, and with the short nose piece it looks like it will not come close to the head, is this true? also does any one know where you can buy the model # 115-L online, for a reasonable cost? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 02:11:19 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. In-Reply-To: <002701c582fa$9350ad20$0b9d4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050708001119.92458.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, Hope everyone is fine, and so is their family, friends and relatives. I share Tom's sentiments. Its also sad on higher level since I was at the convention center to see the London team here celebrating, it was great to share the joy! We all do realize that terrorism isn't just a one off event of passenger planes being turned into cruise missles. It is very real, very deadly, and can rear its ugle head everywhere. I really hope people would be brought together to fight this off, just like how Naks brought us all here together. Thank You With deepest regards and condolences, Bala \ > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 07 July 2005 12:23 > > To: Naktalk mail list (naktalk at naks.com) > > Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. > > > > > > To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt > and Cassette > > forum, I have > > just heard of the terrible news that struck London > today. I only hope that > > no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by > these bizzare and stupid > > acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off > topic but I > > cannot just sit > > idle and not say anything about what has happened > because I care about > > everyone on these forums. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Jul 8 08:31:29 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:31:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. Message-ID: <000501c58386$ad347640$1d91a20c@guerrero> 06/07/05..DOW up 31.61...NASDAQ up 7.01.. S & P up 2.93.... WTF???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 8 12:04:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:04:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer Message-ID: Shalom Jan! I own a Annis Han-D-Mag...NORMAL length probe..with my current in use "Dragon" deck..DON'T TOUCH the heads...however as our lovely Kermit wrote...,this demagnetizer is SO powerful...that YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO TOUCH the heads...however the stainless steel capstan it's possible to touch them..., and THIS is very important. I just look at the demagnetizer DON't SEE any model...mine when I acquired 25 years ago..was factory wired for 220 for Europe/Israel..., american plug...maybe...really I don't recall anymore...the today made 220 wired came fitted with European plug...I use an a adapter! Confidentially acquire one of these...DIRECTLY from the factory...stop looking for "CRAP" items!!!, will last forever...IF YOU DON'T DROP IT!!!!!! BTW...Exist also a model with LONGER probe...for such oldies car's 8 tapes...or something like that! Good Luck...! ALEX! >From: "Jan Choroszucha" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:04:40 -0400 > >I am interested in the Annis Han D Mag 115s model, my question is does any >one own this model and can you get the unit close enough to the head with >the cassette door open, On a Nak model # BX1 or BX 125? The demagnetizer >looks bulky, and with the short nose piece it looks like it will not come >close to the head, is this true? also does any one know where you can buy >the model # 115-L online, for a reasonable cost? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jochi at qwest.net Fri Jul 8 17:09:45 2005 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:09:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer References: Message-ID: <002101c583cf$13d32200$0500000a@uswest.net> If you are worried about the short nose, buy the long nose version which is available in either AC 220 or AC 115. Hand D Mags are available in 8 different models. Go to the R.B. Annis homepage for more info: http://catalyst.thirdeyemedia.net/rbannis/viewcategory.eye?category=893 Good luck. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Choroszucha To: naktalk Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer I am interested in the Annis Han D Mag 115s model, my question is does any one own this model and can you get the unit close enough to the head with the cassette door open, On a Nak model # BX1 or BX 125? The demagnetizer looks bulky, and with the short nose piece it looks like it will not come close to the head, is this true? also does any one know where you can buy the model # 115-L online, for a reasonable cost? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean.gavin at btopenworld.com Fri Jul 8 16:28:40 2005 From: sean.gavin at btopenworld.com (SEAN GAVIN) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer In-Reply-To: <002101c583cf$13d32200$0500000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20050708142840.33869.qmail@web86706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Try the below link if in Europe. Nice friendly service. I did try calling Han-D-Mag direct on a few occasions but no one answered the phone. Yes these do come near the heads - you may need to lean on the cassette door frame slightly but no real problem. http://svalanderaudio.com/shoppen/serviceng.php Jonathan Ochi wrote:If you are worried about the short nose, buy the long nose version which is available in either AC 220 or AC 115. Hand D Mags are available in 8 different models. Go to the R.B. Annis homepage for more info: http://catalyst.thirdeyemedia.net/rbannis/viewcategory.eye?category=893 Good luck. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Choroszucha To: naktalk Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] annis Han D Mag demagnetizer I am interested in the Annis Han D Mag 115s model, my question is does any one own this model and can you get the unit close enough to the head with the cassette door open, On a Nak model # BX1 or BX 125? The demagnetizer looks bulky, and with the short nose piece it looks like it will not come close to the head, is this true? also does any one know where you can buy the model # 115-L online, for a reasonable cost? --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I hope all of our UK friends and their friends and family are well. with my deepest sympathies, Fred On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Date: July 7, 2005 5:11:19 PM PDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hi Everyone, > > Hope everyone is fine, and so is their family, friends > and relatives. I share Tom's sentiments. Its also sad > on higher level since I was at the convention center > to see the London team here celebrating, it was great > to share the joy! > > We all do realize that terrorism isn't just a one off > event of passenger planes being turned into cruise > missles. It is very real, very deadly, and can rear > its ugle head everywhere. I really hope people would > be brought together to fight this off, just like how > Naks brought us all here together. Thank You > > With deepest regards and condolences, > Bala > > > \ > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> >>> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos >>> Sent: 07 July 2005 12:23 >>> To: Naktalk mail list (naktalk at naks.com) >>> Subject: [naktalk] To our friends in the UK. >>> >>> >>> To all my friends in the UK on Naktalk, Nakchatt >>> >> and Cassette >> >>> forum, I have >>> just heard of the terrible news that struck London >>> >> today. I only hope that >> >>> no one on these fantastic groups has been hurt by >>> >> these bizzare and stupid >> >>> acts of terrorism. I'm sorry Wouter for the off >>> >> topic but I >> >>> cannot just sit >>> idle and not say anything about what has happened >>> >> because I care about >> >>> everyone on these forums. >>> >>> Tom Siomopoulos. >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Sun Jul 10 14:24:05 2005 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:24:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently In-Reply-To: <20050610053407.RQNJ13270.mta11.adelphia.net@family> References: <20050610053407.RQNJ13270.mta11.adelphia.net@family> Message-ID: <42D11365.2080702@bluewin.ch> Dear Mike I had the same problem. Especially piano parts showed wow and flutter for a short time. My experience: Primarily it seems to be a problem of good or bad tapes and secondly a problem of maintenance/cleaning/demagnetizing those parts that are in contact with the tapes. Did you get other hints about this problem? If yes, let me know. Friendly regards F.A.R. Mike Bass schrieb: > When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow > for a fraction of a second. Any ideas? > > > > MB > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 17:20:49 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:20:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slowing Tape Message-ID: <002c01c5862c$2046c8c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Mike, This sounds like it could also be caused by dried grease in the tape path mechanisms.....pinch rollers, pinch roller arms, capstan bearings, etc. Try using a very small drop of light machine oil on the shafts. Robert Kent >Dear Mike >I had the same problem. Especially piano parts showed wow and flutter >for a short time. My experience: Primarily it seems to be a problem of >good or bad tapes and secondly a problem of >maintenance/cleaning/demagnetizing those parts that are in contact with >the tapes. >Did you get other hints about this problem? If yes, let me know. >Friendly regards >F.A.R. >Mike Bass schrieb: > When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow > for a fraction of a second. Any ideas? > > > > MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 11 19:00:19 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:00:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently In-Reply-To: <42D11365.2080702@bluewin.ch> References: <20050610053407.RQNJ13270.mta11.adelphia.net@family> <42D11365.2080702@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <42D2A5A3.1000808@xs4all.nl> Hey Mike, My Dragon had this problem too, after investigation the technician (Tom van der Hoff) traced the problem to the direct drive control board. Wouter Franz A. Riedlinger wrote: > Dear Mike > I had the same problem. Especially piano parts showed wow and flutter > for a short time. My experience: Primarily it seems to be a problem of > good or bad tapes and secondly a problem of > maintenance/cleaning/demagnetizing those parts that are in contact > with the tapes. > Did you get other hints about this problem? If yes, let me know. > Friendly regards > F.A.R. > > Mike Bass schrieb: > >> When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow >> for a fraction of a second. Any ideas? >> >> >> >> MB >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 22:04:32 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently In-Reply-To: <42D2A5A3.1000808@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050711200432.25718.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DD Motor control board requires change of ICs - I think RC4552 ! Soon the Motor will stop and you need to push the Drive Flywheel to start the play. Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hey Mike, My Dragon had this problem too, after investigation the technician (Tom van der Hoff) traced the problem to the direct drive control board. Wouter Franz A. Riedlinger wrote: > Dear Mike > I had the same problem. Especially piano parts showed wow and flutter > for a short time. My experience: Primarily it seems to be a problem of > good or bad tapes and secondly a problem of > maintenance/cleaning/demagnetizing those parts that are in contact > with the tapes. > Did you get other hints about this problem? If yes, let me know. > Friendly regards > F.A.R. > > Mike Bass schrieb: > >> When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow >> for a fraction of a second. Any ideas? >> >> >> >> MB >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jul 11 20:00:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:00:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently Message-ID: Shalom Wouter! Could be also that after so many years...MUST add 2 or 3 drops of oil at the (Capstan)..., for "Free" those two DD motors? I do it...just a year and half earlier when I received after taking the deck from the carton...just before was hook up or stack in the middle of my gear!...Never a problem like that!? ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape slows intermittently >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:00:19 +0200 > >Hey Mike, >My Dragon had this problem too, after investigation the technician (Tom van >der Hoff) traced the problem to the direct drive control board. >Wouter > >Franz A. Riedlinger wrote: > >>Dear Mike >>I had the same problem. Especially piano parts showed wow and flutter for >>a short time. My experience: Primarily it seems to be a problem of good or >>bad tapes and secondly a problem of maintenance/cleaning/demagnetizing >>those parts that are in contact with the tapes. >>Did you get other hints about this problem? If yes, let me know. >>Friendly regards >>F.A.R. >> >>Mike Bass schrieb: >> >>>When playing tapes on my Dragon every so often the tape seems to slow for >>>a fraction of a second. Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>>MB >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marlin at amerion.com Tue Jul 12 08:49:35 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:49:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 belt + idler wheels Message-ID: <017201c586ad$de500ee0$26ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> I need a ffw/ rewind main motor drive belt for 700. The electronics store ones are bunk and had to design a little take up pulley for it to function ok- I also need idler wheels for the same.Any help? 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Hope this helps, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:49:35 -0700 From: "Loud 138" Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 belt + idler wheels To: Message-ID: <017201c586ad$de500ee0$26ca3442 at yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need a ffw/ rewind main motor drive belt for 700. The electronics store ones are bunk and had to design a little take up pulley for it to function ok- I also need idler wheels for the same.Any help? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050711/a7193118/a ttachment-0001.html ------------------------------ < From marlin at amerion.com Wed Jul 13 19:43:41 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:43:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] for Compudude Message-ID: <007201c587d2$693610c0$63ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello- I appreciate that. I'd seen the books but never had the actual specs. I appreciate your time much- John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sun Jul 17 04:14:25 2005 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:14:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] No News Message-ID: <000601c58a75$42fd7240$0200a8c0@RHG> Haven't gotten any NAKTALK lately. I've had some computer problems. Please reinstate if I've been deleted. Thanks, Randall jvbrhg at seanet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sun Jul 17 07:57:48 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:57:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] outboard Stereo V.U meter unit Message-ID: <000601c58a94$76c4f7a0$4591a20c@guerrero> whats the story on level meters? From what I understand, the V.U meter is regarded as the best. Is it possible to use a standalone stereo V.U meter unit with a L.E.D metered Nak unit? I was checking out "samash.com", and The " Coleman " company makes some pro-audio V.U. stereo units ( with XLR jacks) that were touted was "easy to calibrate to your audio system".-Just wondering more than anything ; actually, its for critical applications like mix down for studio and as well as broadcast engineers, and also for Cassete duplication - however i know how serious some of you can be about your'e home recordings.Things like going the extra effort to record direct from source to deck instead of through the preamp and stuff, that is what prompted this question. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jul 17 10:41:14 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:41:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] not 1 but 2! Message-ID: <42DA19AA.1090106@xs4all.nl> For those ZX-9 fans that don't have one yet but would like to own 2 of these... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5790126415&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 Wouter From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 14:31:17 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] not 1 but 2! In-Reply-To: <42DA19AA.1090106@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050717123117.31489.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gerry, Any plans? :) Regards Bala --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > For those ZX-9 fans that don't have one yet but > would like to own 2 of > these... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5790126415&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 17 20:13:58 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:13:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] not 1 but 2! Message-ID: Hi Bala! The problem...is that those "Twins"...are for US mains only...and second...will pass the "Asking" $:800.00 + add shipping..."ALLELUIA" Good luck!!! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] not 1 but 2! >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Gerry, > > Any plans? :) > >Regards >Bala > >--- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > For those ZX-9 fans that don't have one yet but > > would like to own 2 of > > these... > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5790126415&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > > Wouter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jul 18 11:19:10 2005 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:19:10 +0200 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: <42B711CD.1090405@woods-and-waters.com> References: <42B711CD.1090405@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <42DB740E.8000503@peromarta.org> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi David, > > David Thompson wrote: > >> I'll be interested to know cost of test tapes. > > > I'm expecting the cost to be about $30.00 US, but you didn't hear it > from me. > > > Count me in ! rgds, LP. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Jul 18 15:41:12 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:41:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fellow traveler In-Reply-To: <000601c58a75$42fd7240$0200a8c0@RHG> References: <000601c58a75$42fd7240$0200a8c0@RHG> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050718093410.01ca0798@psulias.psu.edu> Went to my local repair place to pick up my, finally, totally refurbished CR-5 (idler gear upgrade, alignment, cleaning, demagging for $80) and the carcass of my doner CR-2, and saw the guy in front of me had a Nak 700II and two old Tandbergs (3 heads, didn't notice the model). Got talking to him a bit and seems he couldn't find anywhere in Boston that would touch these things, but this guy in little podunk Center Hall, PA (about 10 miles from State College) can fix anything on earth, and cheaply. He was in town for the annual Arts Festival (must have some local connection) and somehow found out about this local repairman. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 18 16:40:09 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:40:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fellow traveler Message-ID: Hi Derrick, That is surely useful for those on the E Coast of USA. Let us know how your CR-5 sounds after it's "operation". Did you actually sell your Yamaha KX-690 or have you held onto it? Best wishes, Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/18/05 03:41PM >>> Went to my local repair place to pick up my, finally, totally refurbished CR-5 (idler gear upgrade, alignment, cleaning, demagging for $80) and the carcass of my doner CR-2, and saw the guy in front of me had a Nak 700II and two old Tandbergs (3 heads, didn't notice the model). Got talking to him a bit and seems he couldn't find anywhere in Boston that would touch these things, but this guy in little podunk Center Hall, PA (about 10 miles from State College) can fix anything on earth, and cheaply. He was in town for the annual Arts Festival (must have some local connection) and somehow found out about this local repairman. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jul 18 20:33:18 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:33:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] outboard Stereo V.U meter unit In-Reply-To: <000601c58a94$76c4f7a0$4591a20c@guerrero> References: <000601c58a94$76c4f7a0$4591a20c@guerrero> Message-ID: <42DBF5EE.8050705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jerry, Yes, it can be used with a L.E.D metered Nak unit -- but consider that Nak meters have great accuracy and read more than the typical -20 to +3 VU that most other decks are limited to -- so the outboard meter isn't needed with your Nak. An outboard meter is of benefit mainly for digital recording because all digital recorders, especially the computer-based DAWs, have inaccurate metering that usually understates modulation, increasing the number of overs; as well as to provide extended metering dynamic range, and the ability to display correlation (visually-represented information regarding the mono content and the channel balance of a stereo recording) more conveniently and the ratio of peak to average levels. Buy a Dorroughs instead of Coleman because the Dorroughs gives more display options, has wider dynamic range, better RMS accuracy, and it can bridge a PCM datastream directly. jerryjg wrote: > whats the story on level meters? From what I understand, the V.U meter > is regarded as the best. Is it possible to use a standalone stereo V.U > meter unit with a L.E.D metered Nak unit? I was checking out > "samash.com", and The " Coleman " company makes some pro-audio V.U. > stereo units ( with XLR jacks) that were touted was "easy to calibrate > to your audio system".-Just wondering more than anything ; actually, > its for critical applications like mix down for studio and as well as > broadcast engineers, and also for Cassete duplication - however i > know how serious some of you can be about your'e home recordings.Things > like going the extra effort to record direct from source to deck instead > of through the preamp and stuff, that is what prompted this question. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 23:59:25 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] outboard Stereo V.U meter unit In-Reply-To: <000601c58a94$76c4f7a0$4591a20c@guerrero> Message-ID: <20050718215925.11553.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For analog recording I think a nice big analog VU would be great. For digital recording however you need something that can respond a lot faster (to see peaks better). I had a Dorrough (www.dorrough.com) model 1200. What a great unit. It had 40 segment LED VU meter with both average reading in a standard bar mode and simultaneous peak reading with extra bright dot mode. One feature I really liked was sum and difference. I think the current models don't have this anymore. Anyway it turned out to be fabulous for adjusting azimuth. At $1650 MSRP it is a little pricey. Scott J. --- jerryjg wrote: > whats the story on level meters? From what I understand, the V.U > meter is regarded as the best. Is it possible to use a standalone > stereo V.U meter unit with a L.E.D metered Nak unit? I was > checking out "samash.com", and The " Coleman " company makes some > pro-audio V.U. stereo units ( with XLR jacks) that were touted was > "easy to calibrate to your audio system".-Just wondering more than > anything ; actually, its for critical applications like mix down > for studio and as well as broadcast engineers, and also for > Cassete duplication - however i know how serious some of you can > be about your'e home recordings.Things like going the extra effort > to record direct from source to deck instead of through the preamp > and stuff, that is what prompted this question.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From sdar120 at netscape.net Tue Jul 19 13:14:12 2005 From: sdar120 at netscape.net (sdar120 at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:14:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Need Manuals for Nakamichi 582 and more Message-ID: <4396C988.676B68D2.00215A2D@netscape.net> Hello: I am looking for both the owner's manual and the service manual for a Nakamichi 582 Cassette Deck. Please let me know if you have for sale. Also, I would like to know if anyone has a spare meter unit with cucuit boards for a Nakamichi 680 ZX Cassette Deck. I would buy if you have one that is in useful condition. Stephen H. Darden __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 20 09:26:25 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:26:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] zx9 twins on ebay Message-ID: <10223.212.78.179.234.1121844385.squirrel@212.78.179.234> For those interested... After checking the naks.com database and (double) checking with the seller these units came from the 3rd quarter (7-8-9) of 1982. Wouter From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Thu Jul 21 05:07:02 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:07:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay ITT Cassette Message-ID: HEY--- what do you make of THIS!?! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jul 21 22:43:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:43:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay ITT Cassette In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E00907.50103@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Gerry, Never heard of it, but it resembles a late 1980s-vintage Pioneer. Maybe it was made for the company by Pioneer, BUT I'm guessing and could definitely be wrong. I'd skip it. An IEC-1 Nakamichi will sound far better, and a late model IEC-2 Nakamichi, Ferrograph or Revox cassette will doubtless beat this ITT deck, despite the ITT's azimuth adjust and other features. Besides, this particular unit has some technical problems. Who knows if parts could ever be found for it. I'm conservative when it comes to buying cassette decks. My order of preference, best to last, are Nakamichi (and Sonab), Revox, Ferrograph, Aiwa, Tascam, Eumig, Technics (higher end models only), Dual, Denon, JBR Technology, Bang & Olufsen, Teac, Luxman, Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer (1970s models and 1980s higher end, as well as the FLEX and DNR models only), Harmon-Kardon, Onkyo (mid to higher end models only), Kenwood (1970s and certain 1980s and 1970s models only) BIC, Sansui, JVC (1970s models only) NEAL, Wollensak, and Uher (for ENG uses only) ... then a plethora of "other brands" that somehow I never seem to get around to buying. I've always been horribly disappointed by Acoustic Research, NAD, SAE, Sony, and Akai cassette decks whereas Nakamichi have never diapoointed me -- although they came close with the BX-2 -- I really am unhappy it has no user-adjustable bias. Some brands like Sanyo, Sankyo, RadioShack/Realistic and Sherwood are toys, not worthy of a fine stereo. Don't bother with the Pyle "professiomal cassette" deck. It's poorly made and sounds like the cassette in a boom box. Gerald Guerrero wrote: > HEY--- what do you make of THIS!?! > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Jul 22 04:36:32 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:36:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: NAKAMICHI 700 TRI-TRACER CASSETTE DECK. (item 5790069823 end time Jul-23-05 12:00:07 PDT) Message-ID: I hope this link works.Now heres a man who realizes the true value of A 700TRITRACER--lol -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Jul 22 08:29:09 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:29:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 belt + idler wheels Message-ID: <200507220229_MC3-1-A4F3-99DF@compuserve.com> Hello, Soon after I posted this message, I have seen the following auction on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791071891&category=6459 9&rd=1 I hope the seller is not a person on this list trying to make some money from our informational postings! Anyway, the price is not bad for six belts.. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:37:11 -0400 From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 belt + idler wheels To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: <200507121437_MC3-1-A422-2A67 at compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi John, I have an old software for PRB-line replacement belts. It gives the following cross-reference listing for the 700: Nak700: OA 7.0 SCX 7.0 SCY 10.5 SCY 5.0 SCY 7.5 Nak700II: FRQ 13.6 OA 7.0 SCX 4.6 SCX 7.0 I don't know which one corresponds to the belt you need, one of them may be the idler tire. I think you can still order some of them through action-electronics.com. Hope this helps, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:49:35 -0700 From: "Loud 138" Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 belt + idler wheels To: Message-ID: <017201c586ad$de500ee0$26ca3442 at yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need a ffw/ rewind main motor drive belt for 700. The electronics store ones are bunk and had to design a little take up pulley for it to function ok- I also need idler wheels for the same.Any help? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050711/a7193118/a ttachment-0001.html ------------------------------ < < From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 22 09:58:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:58:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: NAKAMICHI 700 TRI-TRACER CASSETTE DECK. (item5790069823 end time Jul-23-05 12:00:07 PDT) Message-ID: Shalom Gerald! ONLY...for US future owner/collector...NOT overseas shipment!!! Regards, ALEX! >From: "Gerald Guerrero" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] eBay: NAKAMICHI 700 TRI-TRACER CASSETTE DECK. >(item5790069823 end time Jul-23-05 12:00:07 PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 >21:36:32 -0500 > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5790069823&category=64598&rd=1 >> >I hope this link works.Now heres a man who realizes the true value of A >700TRITRACER--lol >-- >Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 22 12:24:08 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:24:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay ITT Cassette In-Reply-To: <42E00907.50103@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <005001c58ea7$7e6ecb40$4d77893e@oemcomputer> I rcall ITT portables in the early 1970's. They had a robust look about them. I lusted after a stereo version that I couldn't afford! > From m12341234 at aol.com Fri Jul 22 14:22:02 2005 From: m12341234 at aol.com (m12341234 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:22:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon azimuth wire Message-ID: <8C75CCF197E708D-160-708D@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> can anyone plz help locating a azimuth wire for a Nak Dragon? m1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 26 23:10:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:10:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <005001c58ea7$7e6ecb40$4d77893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <007f01c59226$826692a0$049887d9@oemcomputer> My wife will probably kill me but I finally bought one of these "legendary" (in the UK) cassette decks, and only for £217. No idea where I'm going to put it! In fact, I didn't expect to buy it - I thought it would sell for much more - the last one on eBay went for about £450 a few months back, I think. Gra' > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 27 01:34:38 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:34:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX Recordings In-Reply-To: <005001c58ea7$7e6ecb40$4d77893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008401c5923a$97703980$049887d9@oemcomputer> Guys I've not been well these last few months and most forgetful as a consequence. I know I am outstanding with one or two recordings. Please let me know who has not received back from me what I previously promised to do. (Grovelling apologies ...) Gra' > From ninenines7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 05:00:27 2005 From: ninenines7 at yahoo.com (carl mongoo) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] bx series failure Message-ID: <20050727030027.97121.qmail@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i've a bx-1 and bx2 , which play for 2 seconds, then stall...i've been advised to change the tire to a gearset mod ..but that ain't it. an acquaintence ...former stereo tech...suggested it may be the optical sensor which reads the backof the takeup reel 's striped wheel to sense tape speed. anyone know more about this on bx decks? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jul 27 11:04:27 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:04:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Message-ID: Shalom Gra! Explain me in "Plain"...English..., "WAY"...do you need to spell your money on more decks? As happen very recently...to an a "Passed Away"...audiophile...that "Collect"...stereo gear...his widow + kids...THROW AWAY TO THE TRASH...all his "Junk" staff...as I hear trough the phone from one of his sons...Please... Gra'...stop doing "NONSENSE" collections!!!! My apologies for be with you so heart fully sincere!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:10:53 +0100 > >My wife will probably kill me but I finally bought one of these "legendary" >(in the UK) cassette decks, and only for �217. No idea where I'm going to >put it! In fact, I didn't expect to buy it - I thought it would sell for >much more - the last one on eBay went for about �450 a few months back, I >think. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jul 27 16:01:51 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:01:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Message-ID: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/27/05 11:04AM >>> Shalom Gra! Explain me in "Plain"...English..., "WAY"...do you need to spell your money on more decks? As happen very recently...to an a "Passed Away"...audiophile...that "Collect"...stereo gear...his widow + kids...THROW AWAY TO THE TRASH...all his "Junk" staff...as I hear trough the phone from one of his sons...Please... Gra'...stop doing "NONSENSE" collections!!!! My apologies for be with you so heart fully sincere!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:10:53 +0100 > >My wife will probably kill me but I finally bought one of these "legendary" >(in the UK) cassette decks, and only for £217. No idea where I'm going to >put it! In fact, I didn't expect to buy it - I thought it would sell for >much more - the last one on eBay went for about £450 a few months back, I >think. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 18:54:14 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050727165414.72459.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/27/05 11:04AM >>> Shalom Gra! Explain me in "Plain"...English..., "WAY"...do you need to spell your money on more decks? As happen very recently...to an a "Passed Away"...audiophile...that "Collect"...stereo gear...his widow + kids...THROW AWAY TO THE TRASH...all his "Junk" staff...as I hear trough the phone from one of his sons...Please... Gra'...stop doing "NONSENSE" collections!!!! My apologies for be with you so heart fully sincere!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:10:53 +0100 > >My wife will probably kill me but I finally bought one of these "legendary" >(in the UK) cassette decks, and only for £217. No idea where I'm going to >put it! In fact, I didn't expect to buy it - I thought it would sell for >much more - the last one on eBay went for about £450 a few months back, I >think. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 27 19:29:13 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:29:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! In-Reply-To: <20050727165414.72459.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008301c592d0$b4e9c800$e36b893e@oemcomputer> Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what the H~ll is the point of living it? ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's interested: E.g. Eico ST70 integrated (120v) Pair mono Quad 405s Quad FM4 tuner RSL tone arm ) Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 20:12:52 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] bx series failure In-Reply-To: <20050727030027.97121.qmail@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050727181252.87024.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The most likely cause is the small rubber idler gone bad. They usually need replacing every 2-3 years. If the take up hub does not turn or turns sporatically AND causes the tape to bunch up creating a loop then is probably the idler. I would only say it's the sensor or sensor belt if the take up hub turns fine. Now it could also be the capstan. If the tape does not bunch up creating a loop then it is probably the capstan. The permanent fix for the rubber idler is to replace it with the gear idler, but, I don't think the BX-1 or BX-2's are worth it. If you had a 3-head like the CR-5, CR-7, BX-300 or MR-1 with the rubber idler tire then I would say definately do it, but, don't pay outrageous amounts to have it done. Get a used CR-1 and swap idler assemblies, then sell the CR-1. SJ --- carl mongoo wrote: > i've a bx-1 and bx2 , which play for 2 seconds, then stall...i've > been advised to change the > tire to a gearset mod ..but that ain't it. an acquaintence > ...former stereo tech...suggested > it may be the optical sensor which reads the backof the takeup reel > 's striped wheel to sense > tape speed. > anyone know more about this on bx decks? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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References: <008301c592d0$b4e9c800$e36b893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002201c592f0$d30f5190$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what the H~ll is the point of living it? ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's interested: E.g. Eico ST70 integrated (120v) Pair mono Quad 405s Quad FM4 tuner RSL tone arm ) Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 08:28:00 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! In-Reply-To: <008301c592d0$b4e9c800$e36b893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050728062800.64387.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having decks from other makers, it gives me an all round view of cassette sound. So I think its really important to move and experience other decks also. Nakamichi inspired many other brands and that turned up some very good and interesting machines. So being a listener of cassettes in general, I would do what Graham did - go and smell all the Roses. You never know how good the good ones are till you smell the bad ones. Regards Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after > this deck once and thought > it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for > a very little while. It > should also be fun to find out what it's made of, > how it performs against my > ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what > the H~ll is the point > of living it? > > ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi > fi, if anyone's > interested: E.g. > > Eico ST70 integrated (120v) > Pair mono Quad 405s > Quad FM4 tuner > RSL tone arm ) > > Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the > boss of Arcam was a > huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to > see if he could design > and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded > as the best. It was said > that the deck was built to a specification, not a > price! Upon its launch > there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes > in the UK even though > Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a > few hundred Delta 100's > were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - > they are as rare as > hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide > spares for them. No hi > fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck > test to pitch the CR-7 > against the Arcam, although the it was tested > against some much lesser decks > and wiped the floor with them all. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on > yer!! > > > Graham > listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as > possible before the price > crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice > ZX 7 whicht migh beat > any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record > replay. Unless ofcourse you > want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become > something like Nakamichi > ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in > future. > enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 > recently!) > kannan > > Mark Hugo wrote: > Hey Gra' > > Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a > beaut. > > Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell > lately, but no ways is > he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime > soon - firstly he needs > permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with > that sort of request. > Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away > had all his gear chucked > out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of > living with the mentally > handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect > for starters!!) and his > kit was all he had for his happinenss. > > Cheers all - > > Marc > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From ceyhan.tezer at btc.com.tr Thu Jul 28 14:48:09 2005 From: ceyhan.tezer at btc.com.tr (Ceyhan TEZER) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:48:09 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEM with Mobile Deck TD-700 Message-ID: Hi to All, i have a weird problem with a TD-700 i bought on ebay, which was said to be refurbished by Nakamichi in Usa and came under a one month warranty. The problem is: the deck plays back and sounds terrific for about 40-50 minutes, after which time it unloads the tape for no reason. When i attempt to re-load the tape it ejects it once again, as if refusing my loading operation. if i wait for 1-2 hours, then it starts accepting the "cassette" and plays back for 15-20 minutes and unloads again without any user intervention. In order to play the deck for 40-50 minutes, i have to wait 7-8 hours before i can do so. Also, Tape speed seems to be "unnoticeably" slower than other tape decks. Did anybody have a similar problem? Does anybody have any idea on what might cause this symptom? Many Thanks in Advance Ceyhan Tezer -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 23 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! (Mark Hugo) 2. RE: ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! (kannan srinivasaraghavan) 3. RE: ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! (Nelson) 4. Re: bx series failure (Scott Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:01:51 +0200 From: "Mark Hugo" Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! To: , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/27/05 11:04AM >>> Shalom Gra! Explain me in "Plain"...English..., "WAY"...do you need to spell your money on more decks? As happen very recently...to an a "Passed Away"...audiophile...that "Collect"...stereo gear...his widow + kids...THROW AWAY TO THE TRASH...all his "Junk" staff...as I hear trough the phone from one of his sons...Please... Gra'...stop doing "NONSENSE" collections!!!! My apologies for be with you so heart fully sincere!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:10:53 +0100 > >My wife will probably kill me but I finally bought one of these "legendary" >(in the UK) cassette decks, and only for £217. No idea where I'm going to >put it! In fact, I didn't expect to buy it - I thought it would sell for >much more - the last one on eBay went for about £450 a few months back, I >think. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050727/5e6e8aa6/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050727165414.72459.qmail at web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/27/05 11:04AM >>> Shalom Gra! Explain me in "Plain"...English..., "WAY"...do you need to spell your money on more decks? As happen very recently...to an a "Passed Away"...audiophile...that "Collect"...stereo gear...his widow + kids...THROW AWAY TO THE TRASH...all his "Junk" staff...as I hear trough the phone from one of his sons...Please... Gra'...stop doing "NONSENSE" collections!!!! My apologies for be with you so heart fully sincere!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:10:53 +0100 > >My wife will probably kill me but I finally bought one of these "legendary" >(in the UK) cassette decks, and only for £217. No idea where I'm going to >put it! In fact, I didn't expect to buy it - I thought it would sell for >much more - the last one on eBay went for about £450 a few months back, I >think. > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050727/d1bc7626/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:29:13 +0100 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <008301c592d0$b4e9c800$e36b893e at oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what the H~ll is the point of living it? ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's interested: E.g. Eico ST70 integrated (120v) Pair mono Quad 405s Quad FM4 tuner RSL tone arm ) Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050727/c821ef98/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx series failure To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20050727181252.87024.qmail at web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The most likely cause is the small rubber idler gone bad. They usually need replacing every 2-3 years. If the take up hub does not turn or turns sporatically AND causes the tape to bunch up creating a loop then is probably the idler. I would only say it's the sensor or sensor belt if the take up hub turns fine. Now it could also be the capstan. If the tape does not bunch up creating a loop then it is probably the capstan. The permanent fix for the rubber idler is to replace it with the gear idler, but, I don't think the BX-1 or BX-2's are worth it. If you had a 3-head like the CR-5, CR-7, BX-300 or MR-1 with the rubber idler tire then I would say definately do it, but, don't pay outrageous amounts to have it done. Get a used CR-1 and swap idler assemblies, then sell the CR-1. SJ --- carl mongoo wrote: > i've a bx-1 and bx2 , which play for 2 seconds, then stall...i've > been advised to change the > tire to a gearset mod ..but that ain't it. an acquaintence > ...former stereo tech...suggested > it may be the optical sensor which reads the backof the takeup reel > 's striped wheel to sense > tape speed. > anyone know more about this on bx decks? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <002201c592f0$d30f5190$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <200507281910.j6SJAiSA005539@zxe.naks.com> Jonathan, Interested to see you have a NAD 6300. I have one as well, but unfortunately it bit the dust a couple of years back. The good news was this meant I had to go out and get a CR7. But I'm interested to know if have ever had the NAD serviced, and by who - I get the answer that mine not fixable for some reason, and I would like to get it back going again. Mark (N. London) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what the H~ll is the point of living it? ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's interested: E.g. Eico ST70 integrated (120v) Pair mono Quad 405s Quad FM4 tuner RSL tone arm ) Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. Cheers all - Marc _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.doupe at btinternet.com Thu Jul 28 23:57:17 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:57:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! References: <200507281910.j6SJAiSA005539@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004501c593bf$544fce00$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Mark, Well mine is currently out of service as it gave up the ghost in the play position with one of my tapes still in there, but I'm going to get P&A Audio in Crosby Merseyside to have a go at sorting it out and servicing it. They have a chap there who has donkeys years experience in engineering hifi and I feel I can trust him with it, as I originally purchased the machine from P&A back in 1992, I was told it was the last unit of it's type in the NAD warehouse, so I felt very lucky when I got it. Previous to that I used 2 NAD 6340 decks for tape to tape recording, which gave sterling results, but when listening to the 6300, well that was a different ball game, like lifting a curtain from the speakers and it could record so clearly at high record levels. It's Dyneq circuitry really does a good job, whatever it does, as it was unique to NAD machines only. Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Caton To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Jonathan, Interested to see you have a NAD 6300. I have one as well, but unfortunately it bit the dust a couple of years back. The good news was this meant I had to go out and get a CR7. But I'm interested to know if have ever had the NAD serviced, and by who - I get the answer that mine not fixable for some reason, and I would like to get it back going again. Mark (N. London) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what the H~ll is the point of living it? ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's interested: E.g. Eico ST70 integrated (120v) Pair mono Quad 405s Quad FM4 tuner RSL tone arm ) Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Jul 29 09:20:36 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:20:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp In-Reply-To: <000601c551db$58cbdc10$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: Hi guys, Got an intermittent problem with my nak PA350 amp. It would play fine then intermittently all 4 channels would cut in and out and sometimes go dead completely. If you sort of thump the amp a bit the sound will come back. Thought it might be a loose connection, so used Scott's PA350 service manual that he kindly sent me some time ago to open the amp up. Couldn't see any obvious loose connections but since I am no electrical engineer, that's as far as I can go. How should I go about trouble shooting this? I can solder and change components and have a multimeter but I'm lacking the knowhow on where to begin. Oh, being in Malaysia means that no service guys are interested in such "old" stuff :-( From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Fri Jul 29 10:25:39 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:25:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! References: <200507281910.j6SJAiSA005539@zxe.naks.com> <004501c593bf$544fce00$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <007401c59417$1a46bf90$1410a8c0@TG> For those who have this lovely machine, Monitor Series 6300 (Circa 1985), as an art of British engineering, can contact below link where all spare parts available ; service at lenbrook.co.uk They are really good people!! As I already mentioned before, NAD6300 decks can record much realistic (faitfull to the source) than NAKs (compared with my NAKZX9), guess, due to bias circuit used by most NAK decks! Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Doupe To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Mark, Well mine is currently out of service as it gave up the ghost in the play position with one of my tapes still in there, but I'm going to get P&A Audio in Crosby Merseyside to have a go at sorting it out and servicing it. They have a chap there who has donkeys years experience in engineering hifi and I feel I can trust him with it, as I originally purchased the machine from P&A back in 1992, I was told it was the last unit of it's type in the NAD warehouse, so I felt very lucky when I got it. Previous to that I used 2 NAD 6340 decks for tape to tape recording, which gave sterling results, but when listening to the 6300, well that was a different ball game, like lifting a curtain from the speakers and it could record so clearly at high record levels. It's Dyneq circuitry really does a good job, whatever it does, as it was unique to NAD machines only. Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Caton To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Jonathan, Interested to see you have a NAD 6300. I have one as well, but unfortunately it bit the dust a couple of years back. The good news was this meant I had to go out and get a CR7. But I'm interested to know if have ever had the NAD serviced, and by who - I get the answer that mine not fixable for some reason, and I would like to get it back going again. Mark (N. London) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what the H~ll is the point of living it? ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's interested: E.g. Eico ST70 integrated (120v) Pair mono Quad 405s Quad FM4 tuner RSL tone arm ) Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Graham listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) kannan Mark Hugo wrote: Hey Gra' Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. 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URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Jul 29 15:34:36 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:34:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Trades? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729093355.01a5e520@psulias.psu.edu> Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some trading. Anyone still trade? What do you trade? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jul 29 16:18:55 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:18:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Trades? Message-ID: Sure do Derrick!!! Just trying to nail a job compendium at the moment, when done, I'll revert..... Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/29/05 03:34PM >>> Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some trading. Anyone still trade? What do you trade? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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Jonathan wrote! COMPLETELY WRONG!!!!!! Tandberg use this amazing circuit & I think that was their patent!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Tayfur Gunay" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! >Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:25:39 +0300 > >For those who have this lovely machine, Monitor Series 6300 (Circa 1985), >as an art of British engineering, can contact below link where all spare >parts available ; > >service at lenbrook.co.uk > >They are really good people!! > >As I already mentioned before, NAD6300 decks can record much realistic >(faitfull to the source) than NAKs (compared with my NAKZX9), guess, due to >bias circuit used by most NAK decks! > >Tayfur > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Doupe > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! > > > Hi Mark, > Well mine is currently out of service as it gave up the >ghost in the play position with one of my tapes still in there, but I'm >going to get P&A Audio in Crosby Merseyside to have a go at sorting it out >and servicing it. They have a chap there who has donkeys years experience >in engineering hifi and I feel I can trust him with it, as I originally >purchased the machine from P&A back in 1992, I was told it was the last >unit of it's type in the NAD warehouse, so I felt very lucky when I got it. >Previous to that I used 2 NAD 6340 decks for tape to tape recording, which >gave sterling results, but when listening to the 6300, well that was a >different ball game, like lifting a curtain from the speakers and it could >record so clearly at high record levels. It's Dyneq circuitry really does a >good job, whatever it does, as it was unique to NAD machines only. > > Jonathan (Southport) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Caton > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:10 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! > > > Jonathan, > > > > Interested to see you have a NAD 6300. I have one as well, but >unfortunately it bit the dust a couple of years back. The good news was >this meant I had to go out and get a CR7. > > > > But I'm interested to know if have ever had the NAD serviced, and by >who - I get the answer that mine not fixable for some reason, and I would >like to get it back going again. > > > > Mark (N. London) > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe > Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! > > > > Hi Gra, > > Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head >test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and >bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was >built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the >80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though >isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three >going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell >tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of >tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. > > > > Jonathan (Southport) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nelson > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:29 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! > > > > Well, I figured "What the hell!" I lusted after this deck once and >thought it would be fun to own one for a while, if only for a very little >while. It should also be fun to find out what it's made of, how it >performs against my ZX-9. And if we can't get some fun outta Life, what >the H~ll is the point of living it? > > > > ( That said, I am wanting to sell some items of hi fi, if anyone's >interested: E.g. > > > > Eico ST70 integrated (120v) > > Pair mono Quad 405s > > Quad FM4 tuner > > RSL tone arm ) > > > > Allegedly, this deck was designed at a time when the boss of Arcam >was a huge Nakamichi cassette recorder fan. He wanted to see if he could >design and make one better than a CR-7, which he regarded as the best. It >was said that the deck was built to a specification, not a price! Upon its >launch there was a brief revival of interest in cassettes in the UK even >though Nakamichi were pulling out at the same time. Only a few hundred >Delta 100's were made. VERY few appear on the 2nd hand market - they are >as rare as hens' teeth. I also understand Arcam still provide spares for >them. No hi fi magazine that I am aware of ever did a super deck test to >pitch the CR-7 against the Arcam, although the it was tested against some >much lesser decks and wiped the floor with them all. > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: 27 July 2005 17:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! > > Graham > > listen to this stuff and ebay it as soon as possible before the >price crashes down further. for this price yu can buy nice ZX 7 whicht migh >beat any of these Legendary stuff in one quick record replay. Unless >ofcourse you want to keep it with you hoping for Arcam to become something >like Nakamichi ( still decks sell for 1500 - 2500 $ range !) in future. > > enjoy your new toy ( i had collected a CR 4 recently!) > > kannan > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > Hey Gra' > > > > Collect away buddie. The Arcam Delta 100 is a beaut. > > > > Alex, Graham may have a had a challenging spell lately, but no >ways is he going to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon - firstly he >needs permission from Naktalk and we're really stingy with that sort of >request. Secondly, if this poor audiophile that passed away had all his >gear chucked out by the kids, obviously he had grown weary of living with >the mentally handicapped (I mean imagine the rank lack of respect for >starters!!) and his kit was all he had for his happinenss. > > > > Cheers all - > > > > Marc > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jul 29 20:48:33 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:48:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Trades? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729093355.01a5e520@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729093355.01a5e520@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <42EA7A01.4020907@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some trading. > Anyone still trade? You betcha. > What do you trade? Nakamichis, other tape recorders, microphones, amps, preamps/prog amps, 'tables and boxcars [cartridges/pickups], test gear or procs [signal processors], either working or derelicts for parts scavenging; plus tech manuals, other information, compliments, tips, barbs.... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 00:53:07 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050729225307.93251.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Intermittent problems are the worse to find. Finding it on the PA-350 is going to be especially difficult to find. The problem you describe sounds like the power supply is cutting out, but, it's probably NOT the power supply. Nak designed in a couple of autoshut down modes on this amp. One of these is output offset fault. If any of the 4 channels average output voltage goes a volt or two above or below zero it triggers the power supply to shutdown (using one of the two error amplifier, pin 1/2 or 16/15). I can't remember if it automatically restarts or not. You need to narrow down the problem to one of the four channels. If you have a 4-channel digital storage scope it should be easy. Connect each channels output to the scope and trigger off of the shutdown signal on the power supply controller chip. I think that power supply uses the TL494 switching mode controller. If you don't have one of these nice scope then you are going to have a hard time. You could disable the output offset fault circuit and monitor each of the outputs with a meter or see which one burns up! The root cause of the problem is probably a hairline crack on one of the traces. Usually right where the solder pad connects to the soldermasked trace. Good luck. SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Got an intermittent problem with my nak PA350 amp. It would play > fine then > intermittently all 4 channels would cut in and out and sometimes go > dead > completely. If you sort of thump the amp a bit the sound will come > back. > Thought it might be a loose connection, so used Scott's PA350 > service manual > that he kindly sent me some time ago to open the amp up. Couldn't > see any > obvious loose connections but since I am no electrical engineer, > that's as > far as I can go. How should I go about trouble shooting this? I can > solder > and change components and have a multimeter but I'm lacking the > knowhow on > where to begin. Oh, being in Malaysia means that no service guys > are > interested in such "old" stuff :-( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flifton at mac.com Sat Jul 30 02:22:08 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:22:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: trades In-Reply-To: <200507292159.j6TLxZiY010687@zxe.naks.com> References: <200507292159.j6TLxZiY010687@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: You bet! I'll trade an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102 for a piece of fruit and/or a bicycle inner-tube. Only catch is you have to get the decks back from Stephen Sank. laughing to keep from crying, Fred > > > > Sure do Derrick!!! > > Just trying to nail a job compendium at the moment, when done, I'll > revert..... > > Marc > > > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/29/05 03:34PM >>> > Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some > trading. > Anyone still trade? What do you trade? > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sat Jul 30 19:46:36 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:46:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bargain of the week! Message-ID: <200507301346_MC3-1-A5CF-54E1@compuserve.com> Hello, A Nakamichi 1000 DAT is on sale on ebay with no reserve. Looks like all of the pieces are included.. Item# 7340174671 Just wanted to let you guys know.. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jul 31 09:05:08 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:05:08 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DAA7@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Ok this sounds like a heat problem and maybe a dry solder joint. I had a similar problem on my Luxman M-02 power amp on one channel, turned out to be a dry solder joint due to excessive heat. Start by looking at the solder side of the unit's pcb and carefully observe any heat stressed areas on the solder pads. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 5:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp Hi guys, Got an intermittent problem with my nak PA350 amp. It would play fine then intermittently all 4 channels would cut in and out and sometimes go dead completely. If you sort of thump the amp a bit the sound will come back. Thought it might be a loose connection, so used Scott's PA350 service manual that he kindly sent me some time ago to open the amp up. Couldn't see any obvious loose connections but since I am no electrical engineer, that's as far as I can go. How should I go about trouble shooting this? I can solder and change components and have a multimeter but I'm lacking the knowhow on where to begin. Oh, being in Malaysia means that no service guys are interested in such "old" stuff :-( ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 15:29:50 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:29:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DAA7@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: Scott, Thomas and Ceyhan, Thanks for the tips. I had a look at the amp today, the solder side of both the power supply and amps boards. Cleaned the flux off everything, resoldered or rather applied the soldering iron to all solder joints meticulously and then tried it again. Same problem, intermittently cutting off. Each time it cuts off, if I put pressure on the external case/press on the entire heatsink the amp would work again. I'm really flummoxed by this, since I'm not an Electronic Engineer/Expert, I may have no choice but to look round various repairmen to see what can be done. Any further ideas on troubleshooting would be most welcome! I can take pics of the internals if that helps? Thanks for all the advice so far, really appreciate it. >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:05:08 +1000 > >Ok this sounds like a heat problem and maybe a dry solder joint. I had a >similar problem on my Luxman M-02 power amp on one channel, turned out to >be >a dry solder joint due to excessive heat. Start by looking at the solder >side of the unit's pcb and carefully observe any heat stressed areas on the >solder pads. > > Tom. g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-8.txt ************************************************************************ From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 00:45:56 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: <42CC18A6.7020100@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20050731224556.12586.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well anyway. When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he hadn't seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very surprised. This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no matter how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a pair of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted first. I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real time on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that had a lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back and forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head for maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about -20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference was heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust level or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it was perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots (L & R for each of the 3 tape types). Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go back to the old way. It took way too much time. SJ --- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > Hi all, > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven procedure > for > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > example?). > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it had > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > relatively > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may not > be > able to return to the original state anymore. > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her Nakamichi > deck by > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper > calibration > tapes and tools only? > > Best regards, > Pawel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Aug 1 05:18:47 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:18:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SKC tapes Message-ID: <20050801031831.LNPE1531.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Has anyone had any experience with the brand SKC tapes, mainly the ZX-90? For some reason, I seem to recall this brand being discussed some weeks ago and they were they major suppliers to TDK, Maxwell, etc,... Am I remembering this correctly? Prices for TDK XG metal tapes are going for astronomical prices on eBay, approaching $18. I bought 20 from some guy in England six months ago for $12 per including shipping. I should have bought all that he had!! Roland From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 10:39:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:39:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SKC tapes Message-ID: Shalom Roland! Here in Israel, was introduced, 12 years ago from Korea, at that time I try it only Chrome types, was satisfactory...almost equally in price to US assembled SA & SA-X TDK brand, so I prefer TDK...Japan made tape coating only assembled in USA, and NOT Korean stuff! Today disappears from here, and only I can obtain Fuji Z-2 made in japan for ONE DOLLAR 90 minutes lengths cassette....Satisfied me!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] SKC tapes >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:18:47 -0400 > >Has anyone had any experience with the brand SKC tapes, mainly the ZX-90? > >For some reason, I seem to recall this brand being discussed some weeks ago >and they were they major suppliers to TDK, Maxwell, etc,... > >Am I remembering this correctly? > >Prices for TDK XG metal tapes are going for astronomical prices on eBay, >approaching $18. I bought 20 from some guy in England six months ago for >$12 per including shipping. I should have bought all that he had!! > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Aug 1 14:39:21 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:39:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SKC tapes Message-ID: Hi Roland, I paste my two prior responses on SKC tapes drawn from my archive, with reference to your enquiury on the SKC ZX Metal Technology tape. Best wishes, Marc *********************** Hi Pablo, I read it a while ago in a Who owns Whom list ( also learned at the same time that Sony owned Aiwa and Denon is wholly owned by Sanyo!!). Economically, it is unsurprising, as Korea was a colony of Japan for many years and the business ties remain strong between the two countries. As for the tapes, I did the following. Firstly the visual. Look at the SKC tapes and compare them side by side with their Sony counterparts. Every minute detail is the same. The large dual mould (oversized window) is the exactly the same, screw types, and typical Sony-type perforated white hubs. (Bear in miind I'm comparing the '88/89 Sony series which comprised 5 ES series tapes [ Metal ES, UCX-S, UC-X, HF-ES and HF-S] with the final SKC ZX/QX - i.e. brown and purple warpper respectively). Then, I did tests using a connection here in this country (RSA) which tested the ES series Sonys from 1988/9 with the QX and ZX. measurements were done of Maximum Bass/Mid Level, Max Treble Level MOL/3dB tolerance; and Dynamic Range calculated from bias noise levels. At first, our assumption was that the QX was actually a UC-X. However, it turned out to read precisely the same as the UCX-S (Low/Mid MOL: +3.3; Treble MOL: +3.2 and Dynamic Range: 62.2dB. Be aware that the later UX-S is a bit more sensitive and has a different shell. The old UX-Turbo is not quite as bright or tolerant as the UCX-S but is also not just a UX in wolves clothing!! If you are familiar with Sony Metal-ES, great. Otherwise, if more used to Maxells, then it's more like an MX but with better overload characteristics and therefore better for pop or jazz without Dolby. Not as sensitive as a MX-S, and flatter through the spectrum at -20dB. What we did not understand is that at the time the SKC tapes as mentioned above were "new" in the market, Sony had been selling the UX, UX-Turbo and UX-S models for a couple of years at least. They has also stopped the manufacture of Metal -ES(or to my observation were not promoting it much) and had replaced it with Metal-SR, or alternativley, the much more expensive Metal Master ceramic composite units. Ultimately, the thinking was that SKC did not continue with these two rather nice tapes for long; they probably used what they got in the way of "raw material" from Somy, sold it and left it at that. Enjoy the ZXs Pablo. I'm sure (unless they have led a cruel storage life) they'll give you a lot of joy. Regards, Marc >>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/20/05 05:44PM >>> Hi Mark Hugo: Thank you for the info on the SKC metal tapes, following your advise, I bought 10 SKC metal ZX-90, I hope you know your stuff and this tapes turn out to be as good as you say they are,by the way where did you get info on this tapes,I did a search on the web and there is very little info about these tapes,nothing that says that Sony owns SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul,or that SKC metal ZX-90 and SKC QX-90 are the same as Sony metal ES and Sony UCX-S respectively. Thank you Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SKC metal tapes > They are fantastic Pablo - they are the same tape as Sony Metal ES from > circa '88-90. Hard to find though - if you have the opportunity to get > them, then do so. Remember Sony own SKC/SKM Industries in Seoul, so > basically, no surprises. Don't hesitate to snap up the QX as well, as > they are dead ringers for Sony UCX-S of the same period (just before > Sony themselves dropped the UC prefix and superseded that one with the > UX-S). > > Good luck. > > Marc > >>>> locopablo at netzero.com 02/17/05 05:14AM >>> > > Are SKC zx-90 metal tapes any good? > > thanks > Ø Pablo Hi Fred, Sure have heard of them - I love them!! Any metal is worth consideration and you will like those, I have no doubt. Firstly, to let you know this was very difficult to come by information - but I learnt it from quizzing the RSA agent here - Vivicom SA's Peter Steenhuis - and he reluctlantly "shared". As you will find, you will discover very little from any internet search engine that helps in the slightest. And the web page to which your are directed below will make no mention of Sony (why Sony - read on) any more than Denon will make mention of Sanyo. SKC (aka SMAT) is an operating subsidiary (eg management contract) of SKM of Korea based in Seoul. Although SKMs distribution network takes care of SKC products, SKC was owned by Sony Korea (a series of development agreements still exist with LG), parent company in Japan. This had been the case for a long time (decades). SKM/SKC make cassettes, video tapes and an assortment of digital media. They manufacture jumbo web and pancakes for bulk sale to other manufacturers. When you go to the site, you will see that they boast that they are worlds largest manufacturer of audio and video tape. In or around 1990 SKC started selling a revised range of tapes that were peculiarly similar, please read identical, but for the logos etc, to the 1988 range of Sonys. Amongst them was the ZX. Later on in around 1996 through to about the end of the century (that I can track) they revised the appearance of the tapes from a packaging point of view. Thus you will not go wrong with them - I certainly haven't. I sincerely recommend the now discontinued QX and ZX which I find to be the same as the erstwhile Sony UCX and Metal-ES respectively. The cassettes are sold domestically in the far east as the "SMAT" range, but in the west they are SKC - maybe at some point they will become SKM or just be SMAT. As you probably know Fuji were Axia in the East for some reason - probably licensing and identity/branding issues. I can vouch for the current CD range - they are fresh and dynamic - tough too. They have a range of type Is (no type IVs) - the SK is the best - at least as good as TDK AD. Some might think a bit better. The cassette specific page is at: http://www.skm.co.kr/e_skm/product/pro02.htm The home page for SKM is: http://www.skm.co.kr/e_skm/default.htm Kind regards, Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 06/04/05 08:27AM >>> Has anyone ever heard of SKC ZX metal tapes? They popped up in one my monthly quests for reasonable metal tapes. They're $7.50 US for a 90. I've never heard of SKC. Has anyone? thanks, Fred >>> rjlbjk at cox.net 08/01/05 05:18AM >>> Has anyone had any experience with the brand SKC tapes, mainly the ZX-90? For some reason, I seem to recall this brand being discussed some weeks ago and they were they major suppliers to TDK, Maxwell, etc,... Am I remembering this correctly? Prices for TDK XG metal tapes are going for astronomical prices on eBay, approaching $18. I bought 20 from some guy in England six months ago for $12 per including shipping. I should have bought all that he had!! Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 1 15:20:50 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:20:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Trades? In-Reply-To: <42EA7A01.4020907@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729093355.01a5e520@psulias.psu.edu> <42EA7A01.4020907@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801092018.01b043b0@psulias.psu.edu> I meant recorded music. :) Sorry for being vague. I think my wife would have my head if another tape deck showed up at my door. At 02:48 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: >Hi Derrick, > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >>Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some trading. >>Anyone still trade? > >You betcha. > >> What do you trade? > >Nakamichis, other tape recorders, microphones, amps, preamps/prog amps, >'tables and boxcars [cartridges/pickups], test gear or procs [signal >processors], either working or derelicts for parts scavenging; plus tech >manuals, other information, compliments, tips, barbs.... > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Aug 1 17:44:48 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:44:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Trades and CDR's In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801092018.01b043b0@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729093355.01a5e520@psulias.psu.edu> <42EA7A01.4020907@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050801092018.01b043b0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <42EE4370.9020305@cox.net> I'm up for trading recordings, but I've no studio setup nor any live recordings so anything I can provide would come from vinyl or CD. My vinyl collection is comprised of U.S. issues and primarily span the late 60's to mid 80's .....and most of it is well played... if you know what I mean. I need to invest in a good record cleaner. CD's are also U.S. issues from mid-80's forward. I don't have a comprehensive list, but beginning in November I'll be spending a few recuperative months at home and that seems like the ideal time to begin compiling a list of the collection. I do have a few DBX encoded records (and a model 24 decoder) and some MFSL records in there. As for CDR's (another current thread on the list) - I seem to recall that Taiyo Yuden is an excellent brand from the standpoint of compatibility and quality. This was discussed on the list about a year ago. Tim Derrick Beckner wrote: > I meant recorded music. :) > Sorry for being vague. I think my wife would have my head if another > tape deck showed up at my door. > > At 02:48 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi Derrick, >> >> Derrick Beckner wrote: >> >>> Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some >>> trading. >>> Anyone still trade? >> >> >> You betcha. >> >>> What do you trade? >> >> >> Nakamichis, other tape recorders, microphones, amps, preamps/prog >> amps, 'tables and boxcars [cartridges/pickups], test gear or procs >> [signal processors], either working or derelicts for parts >> scavenging; plus tech manuals, other information, compliments, tips, >> barbs.... >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA >> 816-918-5058 cellphone >> 913-422-0957 business >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Aug 1 17:48:59 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:48:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Trades? Message-ID: Of course you do Derick, (at least that was my understanding) Sorry for my delay - I should assemble my list of music. I fear it's one of my "projects" that I'll get round to when I snuff it. Please let me know off-list what artists you might be looking for, or styles - Best wishes - Marc >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 08/01/05 03:20PM >>> I meant recorded music. :) Sorry for being vague. I think my wife would have my head if another tape deck showed up at my door. At 02:48 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: >Hi Derrick, > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >>Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some trading. >>Anyone still trade? > >You betcha. > >> What do you trade? > >Nakamichis, other tape recorders, microphones, amps, preamps/prog amps, >'tables and boxcars [cartridges/pickups], test gear or procs [signal >processors], either working or derelicts for parts scavenging; plus tech >manuals, other information, compliments, tips, barbs.... > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 1 18:07:08 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:07:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <42EE4370.9020305@cox.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729093355.01a5e520@psulias.psu.edu> <42EA7A01.4020907@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050801092018.01b043b0@psulias.psu.edu> <42EE4370.9020305@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801120350.01ab0b08@psulias.psu.edu> I really prefer the recording of my CR-5 to my Dragon (I mainly use XLII-S or XL-II), particularly in the upper end of the spectrum. Even after diddling with the myriad of recording controls on the Dragon, I can't get the crispness that I get with just a bit of a turn on the Bias adjustment on the CR-5. What types of heads did these two use? I'm assuming the CR-5 was the same as the CR-7. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 20:30:18 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801120350.01ab0b08@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050801183019.88527.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your Record / replay head alignment ( of Dragon) is an issue here . Dragon would be one notch better than CR 5 because it has Bias Level calibration facility for any tape while CR 5 has only fine bias control. The Dragon definitely needs calibration starting from head height/ azimuth, Play/meter level, tone frequency and level ( for calibration), record bias current, bias trap ,Record level then Auto Azimuth. If your Dragon functions properly - you would not make this statement??? I have seen many Dragons - requiring calibration evn after few years of use. If the record / replay sound is significantly alterd, then there is a good cahnce head alignment is quite off from their normal positions. Both machines use same Crystalloy heads and Dragon has superior electronics and controls which can contribute that significan small improvement. Any 3 head Nak (correctly aligned) will have that crisp upper frequency response. kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: I really prefer the recording of my CR-5 to my Dragon (I mainly use XLII-S or XL-II), particularly in the upper end of the spectrum. Even after diddling with the myriad of recording controls on the Dragon, I can't get the crispness that I get with just a bit of a turn on the Bias adjustment on the CR-5. What types of heads did these two use? I'm assuming the CR-5 was the same as the CR-7. 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URL: From ramvem at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:10:17 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:10:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Trades and CDR's In-Reply-To: <42EE4370.9020305@cox.net> Message-ID: I have some Classic Rock, Swing, Jazz (Coltrane, Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald, Norah Jones...) & lots of Telugu & Hindi Film music. As long as we use type II tapes, and not record from copy it should be great!!! Ram From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 19:21:44 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050801172145.91045.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll say it again. The problem is probably a hairline crack on one of the traces. Usually right where the solder pad connects to the soldermasked trace. This usually isn't fixed by just reflowing the solder on the pads. When you find one of these hairline cracks you need to scrape away the soldermask down to the bare metal and run a small wire across the crack soldering it down on both sides. Yeah, you can make a solder blop to jump the crack, but, that is not the prefered method. SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Scott, Thomas and Ceyhan, > > Thanks for the tips. I had a look at the amp today, the solder side > of both > the power supply and amps boards. Cleaned the flux off everything, > resoldered or rather applied the soldering iron to all solder > joints > meticulously and then tried it again. Same problem, intermittently > cutting > off. Each time it cuts off, if I put pressure on the external > case/press on > the entire heatsink the amp would work again. > > I'm really flummoxed by this, since I'm not an Electronic > Engineer/Expert, I > may have no choice but to look round various repairmen to see what > can be > done. Any further ideas on troubleshooting would be most welcome! I > can take > pics of the internals if that helps? Thanks for all the advice so > far, > really appreciate it. > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:05:08 +1000 > > > >Ok this sounds like a heat problem and maybe a dry solder joint. I > had a > >similar problem on my Luxman M-02 power amp on one channel, turned > out to > >be > >a dry solder joint due to excessive heat. Start by looking at the > solder > >side of the unit's pcb and carefully observe any heat stressed > areas on the > >solder pads. > > > > Tom. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:44:01 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:44:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Trades and CDR's Message-ID: Shalom Tim! You wrote! < I need to invest in a good record cleaner.> Yes it's IMPERATIVE"...I own Nitty Gritty 1.5...compact and very effective! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trades and CDR's >Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:44:48 -0400 > >I'm up for trading recordings, but I've no studio setup nor any live >recordings so anything I can provide would come from vinyl or CD. My vinyl >collection is comprised of U.S. issues and primarily span the late 60's to >mid 80's .....and most of it is well played... if you know what I mean. I >need to invest in a good record cleaner. CD's are also U.S. issues from >mid-80's forward. I don't have a comprehensive list, but beginning in >November I'll be spending a few recuperative months at home and that seems >like the ideal time to begin compiling a list of the collection. I do have >a few DBX encoded records (and a model 24 decoder) and some MFSL records in >there. > >As for CDR's (another current thread on the list) - I seem to recall that >Taiyo Yuden is an excellent brand from the standpoint of compatibility and >quality. This was discussed on the list about a year ago. > >Tim > > > > > >Derrick Beckner wrote: > >>I meant recorded music. :) >>Sorry for being vague. I think my wife would have my head if another tape >>deck showed up at my door. >> >>At 02:48 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Hi Derrick, >>> >>>Derrick Beckner wrote: >>> >>>>Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some >>>>trading. >>>>Anyone still trade? >>> >>> >>>You betcha. >>> >>>> What do you trade? >>> >>> >>>Nakamichis, other tape recorders, microphones, amps, preamps/prog amps, >>>'tables and boxcars [cartridges/pickups], test gear or procs [signal >>>processors], either working or derelicts for parts scavenging; plus tech >>>manuals, other information, compliments, tips, barbs.... >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>16371 Lake Point Drive >>>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>>USA >>>816-918-5058 cellphone >>>913-422-0957 business >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>Derrick Beckner >>Mapping Specialist >>Map Library Supervisor >>Penn State University >>1 Paterno Library >>University Park, PA 16802 >>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>814-863-5753 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:49:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:49:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Trades? Message-ID: Shalom Derrick! It's fine with me...BUT...be very specific...on which type/king of music you want to have?, as I own circa 12,000 Lp records...will be NOT an a easy task for me! Also which kind of music did you have...that can be useful for me...or I don't have it! Blessing you! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Trades? >Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:20:50 -0400 > >I meant recorded music. :) >Sorry for being vague. I think my wife would have my head if another tape >deck showed up at my door. > >At 02:48 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Derrick, >> >>Derrick Beckner wrote: >>>Now that both my Naks are running up to spec, I'd love to do some >>>trading. >>>Anyone still trade? >> >>You betcha. >> >>> What do you trade? >> >>Nakamichis, other tape recorders, microphones, amps, preamps/prog amps, >>'tables and boxcars [cartridges/pickups], test gear or procs [signal >>processors], either working or derelicts for parts scavenging; plus tech >>manuals, other information, compliments, tips, barbs.... >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>USA >>816-918-5058 cellphone >>913-422-0957 business >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 1 20:42:36 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:42:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <20050801183019.88527.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801120350.01ab0b08@psulias.psu.edu> <20050801183019.88527.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801143331.01abdd88@psulias.psu.edu> The same shop calibrated both machines within a couple months. The Dragon sounds excellent, both in record and replay, that isn't the problem, just the CR-5 sounds a little bit better to my ears, at least with the tape I use (and being replayed on the Dragon). Maybe it's just me. :) At 02:30 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >Your Record / replay head alignment ( of Dragon) is an issue here . Dragon >would be one notch better than CR 5 because it has Bias Level calibration >facility for any tape while CR 5 has only fine bias control. >The Dragon definitely needs calibration starting from head height/ >azimuth, Play/meter level, tone frequency and level ( for >calibration), record bias current, bias trap ,Record level then Auto >Azimuth. If your Dragon functions properly - you would not make this >statement??? I have seen many Dragons - requiring calibration evn after >few years of use. If the record / replay sound is significantly alterd, >then there is a good cahnce head alignment is quite off from their normal >positions. >Both machines use same Crystalloy heads and Dragon has superior >electronics and controls which can contribute that significan small >improvement. >Any 3 head Nak (correctly aligned) will have that crisp upper frequency >response. >kannan > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >I really prefer the recording of my CR-5 to my Dragon (I mainly use XLII-S >or XL-II), particularly in the upper end of the spectrum. Even after >diddling with the myriad of recording controls on the Dragon, I can't get >the crispness that I get with just a bit of a turn on the Bias adjustment >on the CR-5. What types of heads did these two use? I'm assuming the CR-5 >was the same as the CR-7. > > > > > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.c! om mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Start your >day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 22:38:53 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801143331.01abdd88@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050801203854.43005.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for clarifying - I understand what you mean. In some cases, the component ageing ( particularly Capacitors) can be the reason for altered ( inferior) sound. Probably another person listening to your system might say the same - preferring CR5 to Dragon! kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: The same shop calibrated both machines within a couple months. The Dragon sounds excellent, both in record and replay, that isn't the problem, just the CR-5 sounds a little bit better to my ears, at least with the tape I use (and being replayed on the Dragon). Maybe it's just me. :) At 02:30 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: Your Record / replay head alignment ( of Dragon) is an issue here . Dragon would be one notch better than CR 5 because it has Bias Level calibration facility for any tape while CR 5 has only fine bias control. The Dragon definitely needs calibration starting from head height/ azimuth, Play/meter level, tone frequency and level ( for calibration), record bias current, bias trap ,Record level then Auto Azimuth. If your Dragon functions properly - you would not make this statement??? I have seen many Dragons - requiring calibration evn after few years of use. If the record / replay sound is significantly alterd, then there is a good cahnce head alignment is quite off from their normal positions. Both machines use same Crystalloy heads and Dragon has superior electronics and controls which can contribute that significan small improvement. Any 3 head Nak (correctly aligned) will have that crisp upper frequency response. kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: I really prefer the recording of my CR-5 to my Dragon (I mainly use XLII-S or XL-II), particularly in the upper end of the spectrum. Even after diddling with the myriad of recording controls on the Dragon, I can't get the crispness that I get with just a bit of a turn on the Bias adjustment on the CR-5. What types of heads did these two use? I'm assuming the CR-5 was the same as the CR-7. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.c! om mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 1 20:57:35 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:57:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <20050801183019.88527.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801120350.01ab0b08@psulias.psu.edu> <20050801183019.88527.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801145622.0d540878@psulias.psu.edu> Also, I have Calibrated the tapes on the Dragon right at the .cal level on the meter. Should I fiddle a bit more with this? I figured this was the optimal setting, I could be wrong. It's happened occasionally before. :) At 02:30 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >Your Record / replay head alignment ( of Dragon) is an issue here . Dragon >would be one notch better than CR 5 because it has Bias Level calibration >facility for any tape while CR 5 has only fine bias control. >The Dragon definitely needs calibration starting from head height/ >azimuth, Play/meter level, tone frequency and level ( for >calibration), record bias current, bias trap ,Record level then Auto >Azimuth. If your Dragon functions properly - you would not make this >statement??? I have seen many Dragons - requiring calibration evn after >few years of use. If the record / replay sound is significantly alterd, >then there is a good cahnce head alignment is quite off from their normal >positions. >Both machines use same Crystalloy heads and Dragon has superior >electronics and controls which can contribute that significan small >improvement. >Any 3 head Nak (correctly aligned) will have that crisp upper frequency >response. >kannan > >D Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 1 22:59:28 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:59:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <20050801203854.43005.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801143331.01abdd88@psulias.psu.edu> <20050801203854.43005.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050801165642.01aa2f80@psulias.psu.edu> The Dragon does look to have been used more than the CR-5. The CR-5 looks brand new, and may never have been used for recording. I got if from a pawn shop, so have no idea who the previous owner was. At 04:38 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >Thanks for clarifying - I understand what you mean. In some cases, the >component ageing ( particularly Capacitors) can be the reason for altered >( inferior) sound. Probably another person listening to your system might >say the same - preferring CR5 to Dragon! >kannan Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From wjw at warwick.net Mon Aug 1 23:34:15 2005 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:34:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon References: <20050801203854.43005.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42EE9557.21879477@warwick.net> Could be as simple as the heads on your Dragon are more worn that the heads on your CR-5. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Thanks for clarifying - I understand what you mean. In some > cases, the component ageing ( particularly Capacitors) can > be the reason for altered ( inferior) sound. Probably > another person listening to your system might say the same - > preferring CR5 to Dragon!kannan > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > The same shop calibrated both machines within a > couple months. > The Dragon sounds excellent, both in record and > replay, that isn't the problem, just the CR-5 > sounds a little bit better to my ears, at least > with the tape I use (and being replayed on the > Dragon). > Maybe it's just me. :) > > At 02:30 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: > > > Your Record / replay head alignment ( of Dragon) > > is an issue here . Dragon would be one notch > > better than CR 5 because it has Bias Level > > calibration facility for any tape while CR 5 has > > only fine bias control. > > The Dragon definitely needs calibration starting > > from head height/ azimuth, Play/meter level, > > tone frequency and level ( for calibration), > > record bias current, bias trap ,Record level > > then Auto Azimuth. If your Dragon functions > > properly - you would not make this statement??? > > I have seen many Dragons - requiring calibration > > evn after few years of use. If the record / > > replay sound is significantly alterd, then there > > is a good cahnce head alignment is quite off > > from their normal positions. > > Both machines use same Crystalloy heads and > > Dragon has superior electronics and controls > > which can contribute that significan small > > improvement. > > Any 3 head Nak (correctly aligned) will have > > that crisp upper frequency response. > > kannan > > > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > > > I really prefer the recording of my CR-5 to > > my Dragon (I mainly use XLII-S > > or XL-II), particularly in the upper end of > > the spectrum. Even after > > diddling with the myriad of recording > > controls on the Dragon, I can't get > > the crispness that I get with just a bit of > > a turn on the Bias adjustment > > on the CR-5. What types of heads did these > > two use? I'm assuming the CR-5 > > was the same as the CR-7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > Mapping Specialist > > Map Library Supervisor > > Penn State University > > 1 Paterno Library > > University Park, PA 16802 > > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > > 814-863-5753 > > > > = > > ======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.c! om mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > > page > > > > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > ========---- > ----------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========-------------------- > ------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------ > --------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Aug 2 05:36:24 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 03:36:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon Message-ID: Shalom Derrick! You wrote: >Also, I have Calibrated the tapes on the Dragon right at the .cal level on >the meter. Should I fiddle a bit more with this?> YES...First of all wait at least one hour so de machine will be stabilized and warm...after so, load a new cassette, (As I ONLY use SX type...that is the cassette that I will load...brands it's NOT important for this matter), put on Record/wait...red leds will lit..push level and the machine will enter checking the level among your selected cassette and the machine electronics...go up till "0" Cal...line...at TAPE...bottom...during the tape running PUSH same bottom to SOURCE...the CAL LEVEL MUST remain the same....if drops one or more bars....recall such difference...& push the same bottom again to TAPE...and recalibrate 100% exactly as was indicated on SOURCE...with the time/age of your deck and climatic differences such "Factory" calibration changed...don't "Panic"...do what I'm writing you 100% SAME to BIAS calibration...& I'm sure that will sound better...if NOT...your deck is more seriously defective and you will NEED to do what Kannan wrote...I really hope for you that I'm correctly and inform us your final results! Thanks a lot for your time reading my Instructions! Good Luck!!! Greetings, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Dragon >Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:57:35 -0400 > >Also, I have Calibrated the tapes on the Dragon right at the .cal level on >the meter. Should I fiddle a bit more with this? I figured this was the >optimal setting, I could be wrong. It's happened occasionally before. :) > >At 02:30 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >>Your Record / replay head alignment ( of Dragon) is an issue here . Dragon >>would be one notch better than CR 5 because it has Bias Level calibration >>facility for any tape while CR 5 has only fine bias control. >>The Dragon definitely needs calibration starting from head height/ >>azimuth, Play/meter level, tone frequency and level ( for calibration), >>record bias current, bias trap ,Record level then Auto Azimuth. If your >>Dragon functions properly - you would not make this statement??? I have >>seen many Dragons - requiring calibration evn after few years of use. If >>the record / replay sound is significantly alterd, then there is a good >>cahnce head alignment is quite off from their normal positions. >>Both machines use same Crystalloy heads and Dragon has superior >>electronics and controls which can contribute that significan small >>improvement. >>Any 3 head Nak (correctly aligned) will have that crisp upper frequency >>response. >>kannan >> >>D > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpmintx at yahoo.com Tue Aug 2 22:56:17 2005 From: tpmintx at yahoo.com (Tom Manion) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK 482 and 600 help Message-ID: <20050802205618.91692.qmail@web60016.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently acquired 1 each of Nak 482 and Nak 600 cassette decks. I am disappointed with the record/playback quality of both of these decks and would appreciate any suggestions as to where to start. I have had NAK tuner, preamp, and power amp for more than 25 years, but this is my first foray into NAK casstte decks. I now have the need to record live music (daughter's guitar) and it needs to sound better. Suggestions? Regards, Tom M ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Aug 3 18:40:53 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:40:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World Message-ID: <200508031240_MC3-1-A60E-9B2@compuserve.com> Hi, I just got the August issue of HiFi World. This particular issue is devoted to Japanese equipment in the past and present. The feature article comparing Akai GX-625 with Nak CR-7E is rather interesting, actually it favors the Akai RTR deck: "compared to Akai open reel, even the Nakamichi sounds like you're listening through a letterbox". The Akai is likened to a luxury V8 car with no stress, while the Nakamichi is like a fine-tuned machine operating at its very limits. Any comments? I personally have no R2R experience, other than the late 60's Sony TC-500. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:38:28 +0100 From: george valkov Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World To: Naktalk Message-ID: <518b7b105070202387c0dc57b at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's a comparison between the CR-7 and the Akai GX-625 RTR deck. I'd be happy to scan the 3 pages in colour for the group, but that would produce a hefty PDF file. I am not that good at these things and cannot spend too much time trying to do it in a different format. If anyone wants to play with the pdf and upload it somewhere accessible to all of us I can send it to them on Monday. George < From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:31:50 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:31:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 482 and 600 help Message-ID: Hello Tom! Good luck with your two decks! First of all clean the heads, capstans & pinch roller "SUPER WELL DONE"...and after that degauss the same items! Second; your acquired decks are "Abused"...or extremely well used?, if YES....the reparation will cost you a lot of money! Third; the previous owner/s...misuse the machine/s, moving screws around the heads, electronic pots inside...whatever...if YES AGAIN....to bring back as "NEW"...cost a lot of money...sending to an a very few Nak Technicians in USA or one in England! Post us your opinion, after that you check it very deep! Regards, ALEX! >From: Tom Manion >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] NAK 482 and 600 help >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) > >I have recently acquired 1 each of Nak 482 and Nak 600 >cassette decks. > >I am disappointed with the record/playback quality of >both of these decks and would appreciate any >suggestions as to where to start. > >I have had NAK tuner, preamp, and power amp for more >than 25 years, but this is my first foray into NAK >casstte decks. I now have the need to record live >music (daughter's guitar) and it needs to sound >better. > >Suggestions? > >Regards, > >Tom M > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Wed Aug 3 22:16:26 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:16:26 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 482 and 600 help References: <20050802205618.91692.qmail@web60016.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c59868$3a5a8a00$ee6f56d2@tec> Hi Tom The 600 is a wonderful machine. It sounds like it probably needs a new head though and the source for these is: Bowers and Wilkins in England: email address: sales at bowersandwilkins.co.uk website: www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk Let me know if you want a PDF of the service manual. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Manion" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 482 and 600 help >I have recently acquired 1 each of Nak 482 and Nak 600 > cassette decks. > > I am disappointed with the record/playback quality of > both of these decks and would appreciate any > suggestions as to where to start. > > I have had NAK tuner, preamp, and power amp for more > than 25 years, but this is my first foray into NAK > casstte decks. I now have the need to record live > music (daughter's guitar) and it needs to sound > better. > > Suggestions? > > Regards, > > Tom M > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Aug 3 23:28:18 2005 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:28:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual For Tandberg TD 20A Reel Tape Deck Message-ID: <191.449748df.302290f2@aol.com> Hi Fellow Nakkers! Hope everyone is fine! I recently found a cometically mint Tandberg Model TD 20A 10.5 in reel to reel tape deck. The tape transport section works like new! i.e. fast fwd, rewind, play all works great, the problem is the pre-amp section is passing no signal! wether you try to record or play also when it connected to mic or line input and the source/play switch at source position and the line/mic input control turn even all the way , there is no signal i..e no audio!! no deflection of the vu meters and no audio even with headphone connected. No one has ever worked on the machine , the heads are like new! as is the chassis all the parts look like new no sign of any overheated componets like transistors or resistor on the pre-amp board the source/monitor switch works smoothly, I can figure out what is wrong with this baby!! any kind help from you great guys will me much appreciated!! as would be service manual for this machine!! I have been told its one of the finest reel to reel tape deck ever made! sure will be nice to see it working again! Many Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali PS. WOUTER YOU ARE A NICE GUY! SORRY FOR THIS OFF TOPIC BUT THE HELP FROM OUR FRIENDS AT NAK TALK WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED!! THANKS! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 4 01:13:36 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:13:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <007401c59417$1a46bf90$1410a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <002e01c59880$f9f5d280$c9c387d9@oemcomputer> Initial listening to the Arcam Delta of metal and chrome tapes made on the ZX-9 suggest the Arcam has a slightly different balance, more a kin to the CR-7 in how it differs from the ZX-9, that is slightly leaner mid range, slightly more treble and a little more punch in the bass. The difference is rather like that between, say, a class A-B amp and a pure class A amp. More listening is required and I need to clean the heads of the ZX-9, to make sure it's running right! Out of the box, the Arcam looks like it's never been used - mint condition. The cables are still in their original wrappers with the user manual. It's build on the outside at least is excellent - a very robust quality feel Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Aug 4 06:44:04 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:44:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World References: <200508031240_MC3-1-A60E-9B2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c598af$24a94920$6401a8c0@desktop> Here's a previous review of the CR-7E from HiFi World -- Roland OLDE WORLDE - NAKAMICHI CR-7E CASSETTE DECK GET THE NAK The very best cassette deck ever made? You'd have to look long and hard to better the Nakamichi CR-7E, says David Price. When you meet someone at a party or down the pub and get talking about hi-fi, here's a great way to find out just how well they know the subject: If they reckon Nakamichis are the best cassette decks ever made, they know something. If they say the Dragon is the best, they think they know a lot. If they say it's the CR-7E, they really do. You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't actually the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it was never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the ZX-9, and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and sounded even better still. The Dragon isn't a one-off product. In Japan, Nakamichi have traditionally been known as cassette deck specialists, but actually produce a whole range of audio electronics - from receivers to CD players - most of which is pretty unremarkable stuff. Commonly available in Japanese hi-fi shops at prices some 40% lower than over here, it's seen as good, solid, respectable fare - quite like Audiolab used to be known here. To differentiate their high end 'statement' products they market a range of gear under the Dragon brand, including CD players and amps. It's madly expensive, complex and packed with high tech. In 1988 though, Nakamichi decided that all their conspicuous technology used in the Dragon could be refocused towards getting the very best sound with absolutely no compromises. Out went mind-bogglingly complex auto-reverse mechanism with automatic electronic azimuth adjustment, and in came a beautifully engineered direct-drive, dual capstan unidirectional transport automated for convenience and given remote control too. At £1095, it cost £155 less than its flagship bigger brother, but sounded even more stunning. Its feature list is Spartan by comparison - the usual logic controlled transport keys in the middle, with fader up, down and REC MUTE buttons beneath. Counter mode selectors and timer controls made a token gesture towards domestic acceptability, and then there was the manual tape sector (for types I, II and IV cassettes) with switchable EQ. For the first time on a Nakamichi though, these weren't strictly necessary as the CR-7E could also chose tape types automatically if desired. Adjustable playback azimuth - a grand name for what NAD modestly call PLAY TRIM - meant the '7's record/replay head could be motor-adjusted by up to two- thirds of a degree to play tapes recorded on lesser decks to their best potential. There was switchable Dolby NR (B and C, but as per Nak tradition, no HX or S). You also got an amazing set of meters with switchable PEAK HOLD - and the claim that they read up to +10dB was no idle boast! Although Nakamichi's rivals had offered auto tape calibration for many a long year, Nak debuted theirs with the CR-7E. It was simple to use - you just loaded a blank tape, pressed AUTO CALIBRATION, a light flashed for fifteen seconds and you were ready to record. Sound quality is startling - better than every other cassette deck in the world bar none; it even gives high quality semi-pro open reels (like Revox's B77) a sharp slap around the face. With a decent metal tape, you can casually record at +10dB, such are the Nak's stunning discrete heads, and even beer-budget ferrics sound better than anyone else's cassette deck running the most expensive metals. Pitch stability, dynamics, depth perspective, noise levels - everything - is superb. Replay of pre-recordeds is a revelation - if they're decent all-analogue copies they'll trounce even a modern high end CD player. In fact, the Nak's resolution far exceeds CDs - to fully hear what it's capable of you need live recordings or a high end vinyl source. £500 should get you a minter - not much for a piece of hi-fi history with performance that blows the very best MiniDisc recorder into the dust. Just make sure it's been looked after meticulously and is fully boxed. It's easy to tell a good used example - if it sounds like nothing you've ever heard on earth, then it's working properly! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 07:19:42 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 05:19:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools Message-ID: Hi...Scott! Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads & or pots internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. Sincerely it's very uncomprehended for me!? Greetings, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well anyway. >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he hadn't >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very surprised. > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no matter >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a pair >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted first. > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real time >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that had a >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back and >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head for >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference was >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust level >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it was >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots (L >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go back >to the old way. It took way too much time. > >SJ > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven procedure > > for > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > > example?). > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it had > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > relatively > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may not > > be > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her Nakamichi > > deck by > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper > > calibration > > tapes and tools only? > > > > Best regards, > > Pawel > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 09:32:32 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:32:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Your lovely Arcam also use 3 separated heads as Nak's? You are very lucky..that you obtain your Arcam extremely mint, as happen with my gifted Dragon year & half ago! Continue enjoying...and of course...clean & degauss all the "Tape Path"...on both decks, Nak & Arcam! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:13:36 +0100 > >Initial listening to the Arcam Delta of metal and chrome tapes made on the >ZX-9 suggest the Arcam has a slightly different balance, more a kin to the >CR-7 in how it differs from the ZX-9, that is slightly leaner mid range, >slightly more treble and a little more punch in the bass. The difference >is >rather like that between, say, a class A-B amp and a pure class A amp. > >More listening is required and I need to clean the heads of the ZX-9, to >make sure it's running right! Out of the box, the Arcam looks like it's >never been used - mint condition. The cables are still in their original >wrappers with the user manual. It's build on the outside at least is >excellent - a very robust quality feel > >Gra' >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 4 09:56:53 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050804075653.19190.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of pots that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level pots. Not the bias ones. That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been calibrated far more times than any other deck SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi...Scott! > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads & > or pots > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > Sincerely it's > very uncomprehended for me!? > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > nor tools > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > anyway. > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > hadn't > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > surprised. > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > matter > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > pair > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > first. > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real > time > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that > had a > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back > and > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head > for > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference > was > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust > level > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it > was > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots > (L > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > back > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > >SJ > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > procedure > > > for > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > > > example?). > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it > had > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > relatively > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may > not > > > be > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > Nakamichi > > > deck by > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper > > > calibration > > > tapes and tools only? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Pawel > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 4 12:33:37 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: <20050804075653.19190.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050804103337.97052.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In light of the recent discussions, I would like to share with all of you, something interesting. Recently, I did a comparison between the Dragon and 680ZX. The tape in question was recorded in another deck some 10 years earlier. It was basically a transcript of some 78 rpm discs. On the Dragon, when the NAAC locked in, the sound was very nice, lively and the details seem to be there. Fair enough. Switching over to the 680ZX, I just played the tape. The guy who did the tape started the recording before lowering the needle. The bump shocked me out of my seat. Next up, was the unmistakable sound of periodic rumble caused by an idler wheel which is flat on one side. This particular set up used a Goldring GL75 'table and the rumble was VERY obvious. The music itself was much livelier, while the Dragon was a little laid back. Closer to the end of the record, you could hear the 'swishing' caused by a poorly aligned arm. All these were never produced in the Dragon. Ok, enough of how well the 680ZX produced noise. As I said, the Dragon was a little more laid back, and weaker in the lower frequencies.It also had better macro dynamics, attack and sounded really clear. Buildwise, I'd still give the 680ZX better marks then the cramped, messy interior of the Dragon. I somewhat believe the 680ZX may well be a downsized and simplified version of the 1000ZXL. The Hi-Fi world review may be totally wrong because my 680ZX has breathed fire on the neck of my Akai GX747 ( that makes the Hi-Fi world reel machine a toy relatively..) without breaking a sweat. But again, I won't get into a 'which is the best Nak' debate here. I still like the Dragon. Its a wonderful and pleasant deck to listen to. I like the DR10 also, it has an interesting sound. On some nights, I heave down the 700 Tri Tracer and thats another type of joy.. Our man Mr Nakamichi has made several types of cakes so we all could have ours and eat it. Bala Scott Johnson wrote: Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of pots that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level pots. Not the bias ones. That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been calibrated far more times than any other deck SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi...Scott! > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads & > or pots > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > Sincerely it's > very uncomprehended for me!? > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > nor tools > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > anyway. > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > hadn't > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > surprised. > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > matter > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > pair > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > first. > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real > time > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that > had a > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back > and > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head > for > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference > was > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust > level > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it > was > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots > (L > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > back > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > >SJ > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > procedure > > > for > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > > > example?). > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it > had > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > relatively > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may > not > > > be > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > Nakamichi > > > deck by > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper > > > calibration > > > tapes and tools only? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Pawel > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Thu Aug 4 14:38:12 2005 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:38:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Various Nak projects in the works. In-Reply-To: <42B33A68.9080303@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <42F22854.12456.1446989@localhost> Hi I just return from holiday and read your mail about test tapes. That´s what i need to get my various naks in tune, so count me in! Thank you Roy Svensson From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Aug 4 14:44:32 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:44:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World References: <200508031240_MC3-1-A60E-9B2@compuserve.com> <00cb01c598af$24a94920$6401a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <000b01c598f2$43920dc0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> I would not hold much value to that reviewer's opinion! Nad's playtrim is certainly not the same as Nak Azimuth adjustment (it has nothing to do with modesty of Nad---It is not Azimuth adjustment!) The article is nice to read--but to say that a CR7 beats the Dragon is a bit far fetched--each one has positives which the other does not have-but to categorically state that the ZX7 and the CR7 are ahead of the Dragon --No! That can only be in the mind! To stir ,I dont think the ZX9 is in the same class as the other 2. These views are also held by the great Nak Fundi- Stephen Sank(where ever he may be). Walter (BTW. I have 6 Dragons and 3 CR7's and each one of those machines(when working) sound a bit different from the other-even Dragon vs Dragon etc!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World > Here's a previous review of the CR-7E from HiFi World > > -- Roland > > > OLDE WORLDE - NAKAMICHI CR-7E CASSETTE DECK > > GET THE NAK > The very best cassette deck ever made? You'd have to look long and hard to better the Nakamichi > CR-7E, says David Price. > > When you meet someone at a party or down the pub and get talking about hi-fi, here's a great way > to find out just how well they know the subject: If they reckon Nakamichis are the best cassette > decks ever made, they know something. If they say the Dragon is the best, they think they know a > lot. If they say it's the CR-7E, they really do. > > You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't actually the best thing the > legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, > that's for sure - but it was never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to > the ZX-9, and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and sounded even > better still. > > The Dragon isn't a one-off product. In Japan, Nakamichi have traditionally been known as cassette > deck specialists, but actually produce a whole range of audio electronics - from receivers to CD > players - most of which is pretty unremarkable stuff. Commonly available in Japanese hi-fi shops > at prices some 40% lower than over here, it's seen as good, solid, respectable fare - quite like > Audiolab used to be known here. To differentiate their high end 'statement' products they market a > range of gear under the Dragon brand, including CD players and amps. It's madly expensive, complex > and packed with high tech. > > In 1988 though, Nakamichi decided that all their conspicuous technology used in the Dragon could > be refocused towards getting the very best sound with absolutely no compromises. Out went > mind-bogglingly complex auto-reverse mechanism with automatic electronic azimuth adjustment, and in > came a beautifully engineered direct-drive, dual capstan unidirectional transport automated for > convenience and given remote control too. > > At £1095, it cost £155 less than its flagship bigger brother, but sounded even more stunning. Its > feature list is Spartan by comparison - the usual logic controlled transport keys in the middle, > with fader up, down and REC MUTE buttons beneath. Counter mode selectors and timer controls made a > token gesture towards domestic acceptability, and then there was the manual tape sector (for types > I, II and IV cassettes) with switchable EQ. > > For the first time on a Nakamichi though, these weren't strictly necessary as the CR-7E could > also chose tape types automatically if desired. Adjustable playback azimuth - a grand name for > what NAD modestly call PLAY TRIM - meant the '7's record/replay head could be motor-adjusted by > up to two- thirds of a degree to play tapes recorded on lesser decks to their best potential. There > was switchable Dolby NR (B and C, but as per Nak tradition, no HX or S). You also got an amazing > set of meters with switchable PEAK HOLD - and the claim that they read up to +10dB was no idle > boast! > > Although Nakamichi's rivals had offered auto tape calibration for many a long year, Nak debuted > theirs with the CR-7E. It was simple to use - you just loaded a blank tape, pressed AUTO > CALIBRATION, a light flashed for fifteen seconds and you were ready to record. Sound quality is > startling - better than every other cassette deck in the world bar none; it even gives high > quality semi-pro open reels (like Revox's B77) a sharp slap around the face. > > With a decent metal tape, you can casually record at +10dB, such are the Nak's stunning discrete > heads, and even beer-budget ferrics sound better than anyone else's cassette deck running the most > expensive metals. Pitch stability, dynamics, depth perspective, noise levels - everything - is > superb. Replay of pre-recordeds is a revelation - if they're decent all-analogue copies they'll > trounce even a modern high end CD player. In fact, the Nak's resolution far exceeds CDs - to fully > hear what it's capable of you need live recordings or a high end vinyl source. > > £500 should get you a minter - not much for a piece of hi-fi history with performance that blows > the very best MiniDisc recorder into the dust. Just make sure it's been looked after meticulously > and is fully boxed. It's easy to tell a good used example - if it sounds like nothing you've ever > heard on earth, then it's working properly! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Aug 4 14:46:27 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:46:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools References: Message-ID: <001101c598f2$882aa190$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> As you would say, Alex: Bravo!--dont forget you have a Dragon! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools > Hi...Scott! > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads & or pots > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. Sincerely it's > very uncomprehended for me!? > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well anyway. > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he hadn't > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very surprised. > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no matter > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a pair > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted first. > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real time > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that had a > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back and > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head for > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference was > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust level > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it was > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots (L > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go back > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > >SJ > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven procedure > > > for > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > > > example?). > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it had > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > relatively > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may not > > > be > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her Nakamichi > > > deck by > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper > > > calibration > > > tapes and tools only? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Pawel > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Aug 4 15:10:14 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:10:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools References: <20050804103337.97052.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c598f5$db1a23a0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Bala, My 682's show similiar results/observations! Walter PS when are going to resurect our 1000ZXL's.?Please contact me-- I have traced ,what I believe to be, the difficult to obtain chips in Thailand.As the good people there have a very difficult but beautifull language/ script I am getting an acquintance in Thailand to get me the chips! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In light of the recent discussions, I would like to share with all of you, something interesting. Recently, I did a comparison between the Dragon and 680ZX. The tape in question was recorded in another deck some 10 years earlier. It was basically a transcript of some 78 rpm discs. On the Dragon, when the NAAC locked in, the sound was very nice, lively and the details seem to be there. Fair enough. Switching over to the 680ZX, I just played the tape. The guy who did the tape started the recording before lowering the needle. The bump shocked me out of my seat. Next up, was the unmistakable sound of periodic rumble caused by an idler wheel which is flat on one side. This particular set up used a Goldring GL75 'table and the rumble was VERY obvious. The music itself was much livelier, while the Dragon was a little laid back. Closer to the end of the record, you could hear the 'swishing' caused by a poorly aligned arm. All these were never produced in the Dragon. Ok, e! nough of how well the 680ZX produced noise. As I said, the Dragon was a little more laid back, and weaker in the lower frequencies.It also had better macro dynamics, attack and sounded really clear. Buildwise, I'd still give the 680ZX better marks then the cramped, messy interior of the Dragon. I somewhat believe the 680ZX may well be a downsized and simplified version of the 1000ZXL. The Hi-Fi world review may be totally wrong because my 680ZX has breathed fire on the neck of my Akai GX747 ( that makes the Hi-Fi world reel machine a toy relatively..) without breaking a sweat. But again, I won't get into a 'which is the best Nak' debate here. I still like the Dragon. Its a wonderful and pleasant deck to listen to. I like the DR10 also, it has an interesting sound. On some nights, I heave down the 700 Tri Tracer and thats another type of joy.. Our man Mr Nakamichi has made several types of cakes so we all could have ours and eat it. Bala Scott Johnson wrote: Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of pots that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level pots. Not the bias ones. That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been calibrated far more times than any other deck SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi...Scott! > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads & > or pots > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > Sincerely it's > very uncomprehended for me!? > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > nor tools > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot > >which they printed out a! nd placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > anyway. > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > hadn't > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > surprised. > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > matter > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > pair > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > first. > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real > time > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that > had a> >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back > and > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head > for > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference > was > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust > level > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it > was > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots > (L > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > back > >to ! the old way. It took way too much time. > > > >SJ > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > procedure > > > for > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > > > example?). > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it > had > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > relatively > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may > not > > > be > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > Nakamichi > > > deck by > > > ear? Or is this a thin! g that should be attempted with proper > > > calibration > > > tapes and tools only? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Pawel > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 17:02:20 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:02:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools Message-ID: Shalom my dear Scott! I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% comprehend my question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that you mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & Metal type cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for ONE brand cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can be widely calibrated for many brands as you wish. My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration heads WITH OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, that was really my dear Scott my point. Scott you wrote me! >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been calibrated >far more times than any other deck. This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother language is Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I intend to records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for listen it leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 "FACTORY SCREWED SCREWS"! I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? Regards, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of pots >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >pots. Not the bias ones. > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been calibrated >far more times than any other deck > >SJ > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi...Scott! > > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads & > > or pots > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > > Sincerely it's > > very uncomprehended for me!? > > > > Greetings, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > > nor tools > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their decks > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR plot > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they also > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > > anyway. > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > > hadn't > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I then > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > > surprised. > > > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > > matter > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal generator > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > > pair > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > > first. > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in real > > time > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape that > > had a > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment back > > and > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record head > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec head > > for > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of about > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no difference > > was > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect the > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. Adjust > > level > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until it > > was > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of pots > > (L > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > > back > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > > procedure > > > > for > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth for > > > > example?). > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear - it > > had > > > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > > relatively > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I may > > not > > > > be > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > > Nakamichi > > > > deck by > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with proper > > > > calibration > > > > tapes and tools only? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pawel > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ornsman at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:40:27 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:40:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak Message-ID: Probably for Alex more than anyone, but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak tape deck should I go for? I am looking to spend no more than �200 UKP P.S. I am no audiophile. P.P.S. I haven't read much of the Nak digests that I have been receiving, but I plan to participate a little more regularily now that I have a broadband connection recently wired into my home. >From: "Roland Alford" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World > > >...Out went mind-bogglingly complex auto-reverse mechanism with automatic >electronic azimuth adjustment... From ti at amb.org Thu Aug 4 22:56:12 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: from "Ornette Wilson" at Aug 04, 2005 05:40:27 PM Message-ID: <20050804205613.106621602B@smtp.amb.org> Ornette Wilson writes: > Probably for Alex more than anyone, > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak tape deck > should I go for? Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 5 00:31:19 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050804223119.58369.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played with. SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom my dear Scott! > > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% > comprehend my > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that > you > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & > Metal type > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for > ONE brand > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can > be widely > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration > heads WITH > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, > that was > really my dear Scott my point. > > Scott you wrote me! > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been > calibrated > >far more times than any other deck. > > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother > language is > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I > intend to > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for > listen it > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 > "FACTORY > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? > > Regards, > > ALEX! > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > nor tools > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of > pots > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level > >pots. Not the bias ones. > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been > calibrated > >far more times than any other deck > > > >SJ > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi...Scott! > > > > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > > > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads > & > > > or pots > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > > > Sincerely it's > > > very uncomprehended for me!? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration > tabes > > > nor tools > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a > few > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their > decks > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR > plot > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they > also > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > > > anyway. > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > > > hadn't > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I > then > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > > > surprised. > > > > > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no > I > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > > > matter > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal > generator > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > > > pair > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > > > first. > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in > real > > > time > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape > that > > > had a > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment > back > > > and > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record > head > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec > head > > > for > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of > about > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no > difference > > > was > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect > the > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. > Adjust > > > level > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until > it > > > was > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of > pots > > > (L > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > > > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > > > back > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > > > procedure > > > > > for > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth > for > > > > > example?). > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear > - it > > > had > > > > > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > > > relatively > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I > may > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > > > Nakamichi > > > > > deck by > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with > proper > > > > > calibration > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 5 01:06:30 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:06:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: <000b01c598f2$43920dc0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <002801c59949$267cc2a0$26a187d9@oemcomputer> Walter I seem to recall, Stephen Sank even put the CR-5 before the ZX-9 and ZX-7 in his list of the best sounding Nak's. But I suppose it's a very objective thing. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of wdrewes > Sent: 04 August 2005 13:45 > To: Roland Alford; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World > > The article is nice to read--but to say that a CR7 beats the > Dragon is a bit > far fetched--each one has positives which the other does not have-but to > categorically state that the ZX7 and the CR7 are ahead of the Dragon --No! > That can only be in the mind! To stir ,I dont think the ZX9 is in the same > class as the other 2. > These views are also held by the great Nak Fundi- Stephen > Sank(where ever he > may be). > Walter > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:50:40 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak Message-ID: Dear Ornette! Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you 100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! Regards, ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Ornette Wilson writes: > > Probably for Alex more than anyone, > > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! > > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak tape >deck > > should I go for? > >Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. > >The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:16:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools Message-ID: To my unique & dear Scott! 100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get aged...Sorry! However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and really barely used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound good...or again I'm wrong? Greetings, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) > > >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. > >The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >with. > >SJ > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom my dear Scott! > > > > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% > > comprehend my > > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that > > you > > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & > > Metal type > > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for > > ONE brand > > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can > > be widely > > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand > > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration > > heads WITH > > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, > > that was > > really my dear Scott my point. > > > > Scott you wrote me! > > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been > > calibrated > > >far more times than any other deck. > > > > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother > > language is > > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I > > intend to > > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for > > listen it > > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. > > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 > > "FACTORY > > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > > > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? > > > > Regards, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > > nor tools > > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and > > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with > > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 > > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of > > pots > > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few > > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level > > >pots. Not the bias ones. > > > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been > > calibrated > > >far more times than any other deck > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > Hi...Scott! > > > > > > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > > > > > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads > > & > > > > or pots > > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > > > > Sincerely it's > > > > very uncomprehended for me!? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration > > tabes > > > > nor tools > > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a > > few > > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their > > decks > > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR > > plot > > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they > > also > > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > > > > anyway. > > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > > > > hadn't > > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I > > then > > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no > > I > > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > > > > matter > > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal > > generator > > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > > > > pair > > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > > > > first. > > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in > > real > > > > time > > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape > > that > > > > had a > > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment > > back > > > > and > > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record > > head > > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec > > head > > > > for > > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of > > about > > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no > > difference > > > > was > > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect > > the > > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. > > Adjust > > > > level > > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until > > it > > > > was > > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of > > pots > > > > (L > > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > > > > > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > > > > back > > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > > > > procedure > > > > > > for > > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth > > for > > > > > > example?). > > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear > > - it > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > > > > relatively > > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I > > may > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > > > > Nakamichi > > > > > > deck by > > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with > > proper > > > > > > calibration > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ornsman at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:09:25 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:09:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: <200508051000.j75A04cn031386@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Alex, You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... and that you would like me to purchase it from you! Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the region of �150 UKP (Sterling), then indeed we shall do business together.... Regards... Ornette >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >Dear Ornette! > >Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a cute >response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you 100%...Good >Luck trying to pick one! > >Regards, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Ornette Wilson writes: >> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak tape >>deck >> > should I go for? >> >>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >> >>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. >> >>-Ti >>-- >>Ti Kan >>http://www.amb.org/ti >>Vorsprung durch Technik >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >To my unique & dear Scott! > >100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get aged...Sorry! >However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and really barely used >Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" ajustment...calibrate >for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound good...or again I'm >wrong? > >Greetings, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Scott Johnson >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>tools >>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >> >>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>with. >> >>SJ >> >>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >> >> > Shalom my dear Scott! >> > >> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >> > comprehend my >> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >> > you >> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >> > Metal type >> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >> > ONE brand >> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >> > be widely >> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >> > heads WITH >> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >> > that was >> > really my dear Scott my point. >> > >> > Scott you wrote me! >> > >> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >> > calibrated >> > >far more times than any other deck. >> > >> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >> > language is >> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >> > intend to >> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >> > listen it >> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >> > "FACTORY >> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >> > >> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: Scott Johnson >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >> > nor tools >> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >> > > >> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >> > pots >> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >> > > >> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >> > calibrated >> > >far more times than any other deck >> > > >> > >SJ >> > > >> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi...Scott! >> > > > >> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >> > > > >> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >> > & >> > > > or pots >> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >> > > > Sincerely it's >> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >> > > > >> > > > Greetings, >> > > > >> > > > ALEX! >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >> > tabes >> > > > nor tools >> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >> > > > > >> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >> > few >> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >> > decks >> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >> > plot >> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >> > also >> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >> > > > anyway. >> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >> > > > hadn't >> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >> > then >> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >> > > > surprised. >> > > > > >> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >> > I >> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >> > > > matter >> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >> > generator >> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >> > > > pair >> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >> > > > first. >> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >> > real >> > > > time >> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >> > that >> > > > had a >> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >> > back >> > > > and >> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >> > head >> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >> > head >> > > > for >> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >> > about >> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >> > difference >> > > > was >> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >> > the >> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >> > Adjust >> > > > level >> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >> > it >> > > > was >> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >> > pots >> > > > (L >> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >> > > > > >> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >> > > > back >> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >> > > > > >> > > > >SJ >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi all, >> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >> > > > procedure >> > > > > > for >> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >> > for >> > > > > > example?). >> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >> > - it >> > > > had >> > > > > > >> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >> > > > > > relatively >> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >> > may >> > > > not >> > > > > > be >> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >> > > > Nakamichi >> > > > > > deck by >> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >> > proper >> > > > > > calibration >> > >>=== message truncated === >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________ >>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:32:21 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:32:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak Message-ID: Dear Ornette! Sorry to disappoint you...my Gifted Dragon IS NOT FOR SALE EVER!!!! Was received from my best friend that suddenly passed away during March 2004, by his request from his widow! However, be patiently...I'm sure that there in UK...you may find someday one as mine is "Super Mint' conditions...may take a lot of time...for so....be patiently! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Ornette Wilson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:09:25 +0000 > >Alex, > >You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. >Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... >and that you would like me to purchase it from you! > >Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the region >of �150 UKP (Sterling), >then indeed we shall do business together.... > > >Regards... >Ornette > > > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >>Dear Ornette! >> >>Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a >>cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you >>100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! >> >>Regards, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Ornette Wilson writes: >>> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >>> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >>> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak >>>tape deck >>> > should I go for? >>> >>>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>>as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>>selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >>> >>>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. >>> >>>-Ti >>>-- >>>Ti Kan >>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>tools >>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >>To my unique & dear Scott! >> >>100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get aged...Sorry! >>However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and really barely >>used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" >>ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound >>good...or again I'm wrong? >> >>Greetings, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Scott Johnson >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>tools >>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>>change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >>> >>>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>>with. >>> >>>SJ >>> >>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> >>> > Shalom my dear Scott! >>> > >>> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >>> > comprehend my >>> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >>> > you >>> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >>> > Metal type >>> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >>> > ONE brand >>> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >>> > be widely >>> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >>> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >>> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >>> > heads WITH >>> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >>> > that was >>> > really my dear Scott my point. >>> > >>> > Scott you wrote me! >>> > >>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >>> > calibrated >>> > >far more times than any other deck. >>> > >>> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >>> > language is >>> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >>> > intend to >>> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >>> > listen it >>> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >>> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >>> > "FACTORY >>> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >>> > >>> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >From: Scott Johnson >>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>> > nor tools >>> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > >>> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >>> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >>> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >>> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >>> > pots >>> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >>> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >>> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >>> > > >>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >>> > calibrated >>> > >far more times than any other deck >>> > > >>> > >SJ >>> > > >>> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Hi...Scott! >>> > > > >>> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >>> > > > >>> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >>> > & >>> > > > or pots >>> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >>> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >>> > > > Sincerely it's >>> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >>> > > > >>> > > > Greetings, >>> > > > >>> > > > ALEX! >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >>> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >>> > tabes >>> > > > nor tools >>> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > > > >>> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >>> > few >>> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >>> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >>> > decks >>> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >>> > plot >>> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >>> > also >>> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >>> > > > anyway. >>> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >>> > > > hadn't >>> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >>> > then >>> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >>> > > > surprised. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >>> > I >>> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >>> > > > matter >>> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >>> > generator >>> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >>> > > > pair >>> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >>> > > > first. >>> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >>> > real >>> > > > time >>> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >>> > that >>> > > > had a >>> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >>> > back >>> > > > and >>> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >>> > head >>> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >>> > head >>> > > > for >>> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >>> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >>> > about >>> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >>> > difference >>> > > > was >>> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >>> > the >>> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >>> > Adjust >>> > > > level >>> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >>> > it >>> > > > was >>> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >>> > pots >>> > > > (L >>> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >>> > > > back >>> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >SJ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Hi all, >>> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >>> > > > procedure >>> > > > > > for >>> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >>> > for >>> > > > > > example?). >>> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >>> > - it >>> > > > had >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >>> > > > > > relatively >>> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >>> > may >>> > > > not >>> > > > > > be >>> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >>> > > > Nakamichi >>> > > > > > deck by >>> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >>> > proper >>> > > > > > calibration >>> > >>>=== message truncated === >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>____________________________________________________ >>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From baynett at optonline.net Fri Aug 5 14:08:32 2005 From: baynett at optonline.net (baynett) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:08:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F356C0.2040804@optonline.net> I may be out of line but that sounds like they want you to give it to them for free and pay the shipping. It's in the blood or it's not is what I think and non believers don't deserve a Nak. Most especially a Dragon those are for true affecionados(sp?). Ornette Wilson wrote: > Alex, > > You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. > Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... > and that you would like me to purchase it from you! > > Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the > region of £150 UKP (Sterling), > then indeed we shall do business together.... > > > Regards... > Ornette > > > >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >> Dear Ornette! >> >> Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an >> a cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied >> you 100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! >> >> Regards, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Ornette Wilson writes: >>> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >>> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >>> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak >>> tape deck >>> > should I go for? >>> >>> Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>> as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>> selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >>> >>> The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak >>> has. >>> >>> -Ti >>> -- >>> Ti Kan >>> http://www.amb.org/ti >>> Vorsprung durch Technik >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >> tools >> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >> To my unique & dear Scott! >> >> 100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get >> aged...Sorry! However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely >> and really barely used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & >> Bias" ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so >> always...will sound good...or again I'm wrong? >> >> Greetings, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Scott Johnson >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>> nor tools >>> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>> Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>> time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>> change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >>> >>> The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>> with. >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> --- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> >>> > Shalom my dear Scott! >>> > >>> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >>> > comprehend my >>> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >>> > you >>> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >>> > Metal type >>> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >>> > ONE brand >>> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >>> > be widely >>> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >>> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >>> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >>> > heads WITH >>> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >>> > that was >>> > really my dear Scott my point. >>> > >>> > Scott you wrote me! >>> > >>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >>> > calibrated >>> > >far more times than any other deck. >>> > >>> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >>> > language is >>> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >>> > intend to >>> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >>> > listen it >>> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >>> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >>> > "FACTORY >>> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >>> > >>> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >From: Scott Johnson >>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>> > nor tools >>> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > >>> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >>> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >>> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >>> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >>> > pots >>> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >>> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >>> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >>> > > >>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >>> > calibrated >>> > >far more times than any other deck >>> > > >>> > >SJ >>> > > >>> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Hi...Scott! >>> > > > >>> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >>> > > > >>> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >>> > & >>> > > > or pots >>> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >>> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >>> > > > Sincerely it's >>> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >>> > > > >>> > > > Greetings, >>> > > > >>> > > > ALEX! >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >>> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >>> > tabes >>> > > > nor tools >>> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > > > >>> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >>> > few >>> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >>> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >>> > decks >>> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >>> > plot >>> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >>> > also >>> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >>> > > > anyway. >>> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >>> > > > hadn't >>> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >>> > then >>> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >>> > > > surprised. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >>> > I >>> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >>> > > > matter >>> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >>> > generator >>> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >>> > > > pair >>> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >>> > > > first. >>> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >>> > real >>> > > > time >>> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >>> > that >>> > > > had a >>> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >>> > back >>> > > > and >>> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >>> > head >>> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >>> > head >>> > > > for >>> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >>> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >>> > about >>> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >>> > difference >>> > > > was >>> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >>> > the >>> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >>> > Adjust >>> > > > level >>> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >>> > it >>> > > > was >>> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >>> > pots >>> > > > (L >>> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >>> > > > back >>> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >SJ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Hi all, >>> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >>> > > > procedure >>> > > > > > for >>> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >>> > for >>> > > > > > example?). >>> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >>> > - it >>> > > > had >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >>> > > > > > relatively >>> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >>> > may >>> > > > not >>> > > > > > be >>> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >>> > > > Nakamichi >>> > > > > > deck by >>> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >>> > proper >>> > > > > > calibration >>> > >>> === message truncated === >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________ >>> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 5 14:18:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:18:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008a01c599b7$d855e560$26a187d9@oemcomputer> LOL! You don't know our Alex - he wouldn't sell his Dragon even if you offered him £1000 for it!! It's special because it was a gift. And he loves his Dragon so much we wants everyone to have one, so they may get as much pleasure from it as he is getting from his. However, you won't get a decent one for £150 UKP ... But DO consider importing a Nakamichi from the USA because Nak prices in the US are often significantly lower than in the UK, esp. now the $ is so low against the £. Even the "high" shipping seem much more reasonable given the difference between the two currencies. You would, however, need a voltage converter, which is easily available from Maplins for a few quid. HOWEVER, wherever you buy it from, do realise it will have to be serviced at some point, possibly soon after you've unpacked it if you buy it unseen such as via eBay. And even if you buy it from a hi fi dealer, it may not have been tuned to factory spec because very few engineers in the UK have the correct equipment and test tapes. If you have to send it to B&W for service it will cost you another £50-£100. But you'd get back a stonking machine! (B&W, BTW, are the UK specialist centre for Nak cassette machines. They are excellent value and do not currently exploit their monopoly.) Think of it this way ... you are buying a vintage car. It will need care and attention Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ornette Wilson > Sent: 05 August 2005 12:09 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > > Alex, > > You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. > Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... > and that you would like me to purchase it from you! > > Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within > the region of > £150 UKP (Sterling), > then indeed we shall do business together.... > > > Regards... > Ornette > > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 > >Dear Ornette! > > > >Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave > you an a cute > >response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you > 100%...Good > >Luck trying to pick one! > > > >Regards, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 14:19:04 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:19:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak References: Message-ID: Dear Ornette, as far as I am informed, Alex has a TriTracer1000 II for sale. That must be a nice unit also. Maybe you should try it... (My comments are all without any obligation...:-))) ) Kind regards, István Ps: I am so unlucky that I have never had the opportunity to listen to any Dragons or CRs, having only a ZX7 and lower-end Naks, I must accept my miserable status. Though, I am quite happy with them (fully satisfied(!) with the ZX7, and the others are reasonably more than acceptable). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ornette Wilson" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > Alex, > > You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. > Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... > and that you would like me to purchase it from you! > > Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the region > of Ł150 UKP (Sterling), > then indeed we shall do business together.... > > > Regards... > Ornette > > > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >>Dear Ornette! >> >>Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a >>cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you >>100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! >> >>Regards, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Ornette Wilson writes: >>> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >>> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >>> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak >>> > tape >>>deck >>> > should I go for? >>> >>>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>>as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>>selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >>> >>>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. >>> >>>-Ti >>>-- >>>Ti Kan >>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > > >>From: "Alex Cozac" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>tools >>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >>To my unique & dear Scott! >> >>100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get aged...Sorry! >>However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and really barely >>used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" >>ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound >>good...or again I'm wrong? >> >>Greetings, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Scott Johnson >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>tools >>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>>change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >>> >>>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>>with. >>> >>>SJ >>> >>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> >>> > Shalom my dear Scott! >>> > >>> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >>> > comprehend my >>> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >>> > you >>> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >>> > Metal type >>> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >>> > ONE brand >>> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >>> > be widely >>> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >>> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >>> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >>> > heads WITH >>> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >>> > that was >>> > really my dear Scott my point. >>> > >>> > Scott you wrote me! >>> > >>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >>> > calibrated >>> > >far more times than any other deck. >>> > >>> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >>> > language is >>> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >>> > intend to >>> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >>> > listen it >>> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >>> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >>> > "FACTORY >>> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >>> > >>> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >From: Scott Johnson >>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>> > nor tools >>> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > >>> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >>> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >>> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >>> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >>> > pots >>> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >>> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >>> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >>> > > >>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >>> > calibrated >>> > >far more times than any other deck >>> > > >>> > >SJ >>> > > >>> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Hi...Scott! >>> > > > >>> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >>> > > > >>> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >>> > & >>> > > > or pots >>> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >>> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >>> > > > Sincerely it's >>> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >>> > > > >>> > > > Greetings, >>> > > > >>> > > > ALEX! >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >>> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >>> > tabes >>> > > > nor tools >>> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > > > >>> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >>> > few >>> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >>> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >>> > decks >>> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >>> > plot >>> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >>> > also >>> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >>> > > > anyway. >>> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >>> > > > hadn't >>> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >>> > then >>> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >>> > > > surprised. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >>> > I >>> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >>> > > > matter >>> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >>> > generator >>> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >>> > > > pair >>> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >>> > > > first. >>> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >>> > real >>> > > > time >>> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >>> > that >>> > > > had a >>> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >>> > back >>> > > > and >>> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >>> > head >>> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >>> > head >>> > > > for >>> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >>> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >>> > about >>> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >>> > difference >>> > > > was >>> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >>> > the >>> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >>> > Adjust >>> > > > level >>> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >>> > it >>> > > > was >>> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >>> > pots >>> > > > (L >>> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >>> > > > back >>> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >SJ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Hi all, >>> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >>> > > > procedure >>> > > > > > for >>> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >>> > for >>> > > > > > example?). >>> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >>> > - it >>> > > > had >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >>> > > > > > relatively >>> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >>> > may >>> > > > not >>> > > > > > be >>> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >>> > > > Nakamichi >>> > > > > > deck by >>> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >>> > proper >>> > > > > > calibration >>> > >>>=== message truncated === >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>____________________________________________________ >>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 15:00:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:00:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak Message-ID: Our Lord will Bless all you!!!!! Thanks my dear Sandor, I almost forgot, from my lovely Tri Tracer 1000/2, yes can fit...Ornette's challenger, and as he live in UK...and I in Israel...the mains is almost the same 220 here versus 240 in UK...however can be "Re-Plug" it for 240 with no problem at all. The transformer "Outside" taps are from 100 till 240 AC mains 60/50 Hertz. Now to Ornette...my final price is $:300.00 US DOLLAR...as because it's extremely heavy...(To "Today's"...standard)...near 20.00 Kilograms NET...the packaged + shipment will be relative expensive. Have all the Originally manuals (Owner + Service). You Ornette, MUST change the two belts...since 1981 not in use...and maybe some very minor "Electronic" adjustment, to my knowledge...B & W REFUSE...to made any service to this model (Mainly NO MORE ORIGINALLY SPARE PARTS)...in my deck YOU TODAY DON'T NEED ANY SPARE PARTS...all is working, Heads in Super Mint conditions as I recorded/listen 28 cassettes from 1978 > 1981...only TDK brand EX and SX. I think...that for "Electronic inside calibration, + maybe some resistors/caps changes...B & W will accept the machine for service. As Gra' wrote...100% garantted. that my "Gifted"...Dragon NEVER will be sold...wiill GO with me down the earth...! Regards, ALEX! ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:19:04 +0200 > >Dear Ornette, >as far as I am informed, Alex has a TriTracer1000 II for sale. >That must be a nice unit also. Maybe you should try it... >(My comments are all without any obligation...:-))) ) > > >Kind regards, >Istv�n >Ps: I am so unlucky that I have never had the opportunity to listen to any >Dragons or CRs, having only a ZX7 and lower-end Naks, I must accept my >miserable status. Though, I am quite happy with them (fully satisfied(!) >with the ZX7, and the others are reasonably more than acceptable). >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ornette Wilson" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:09 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > >>Alex, >> >>You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. >>Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... >>and that you would like me to purchase it from you! >> >>Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the region >>of �150 UKP (Sterling), >>then indeed we shall do business together.... >> >> >>Regards... >>Ornette >> >> >> >>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >>>Dear Ornette! >>> >>>Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a >>>cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you >>>100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >>>> >>>>Ornette Wilson writes: >>>> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >>>> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >>>> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak > >>>>tape >>>>deck >>>> > should I go for? >>>> >>>>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>>>as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>>>selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >>>> >>>>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. >>>> >>>>-Ti >>>>-- >>>>Ti Kan >>>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>tools >>>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >>>To my unique & dear Scott! >>> >>>100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get aged...Sorry! >>>However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and really barely >>>used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" >>>ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound >>>good...or again I'm wrong? >>> >>>Greetings, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Scott Johnson >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>>tools >>>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >>>> >>>> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>>>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>>>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>>>change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >>>> >>>>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>>>with. >>>> >>>>SJ >>>> >>>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>> >>>> > Shalom my dear Scott! >>>> > >>>> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >>>> > comprehend my >>>> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >>>> > you >>>> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >>>> > Metal type >>>> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >>>> > ONE brand >>>> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >>>> > be widely >>>> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >>>> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >>>> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >>>> > heads WITH >>>> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >>>> > that was >>>> > really my dear Scott my point. >>>> > >>>> > Scott you wrote me! >>>> > >>>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>>> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >>>> > calibrated >>>> > >far more times than any other deck. >>>> > >>>> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >>>> > language is >>>> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >>>> > intend to >>>> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >>>> > listen it >>>> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >>>> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >>>> > "FACTORY >>>> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >>>> > >>>> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >>>> > >>>> > Regards, >>>> > >>>> > ALEX! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ALEX! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >From: Scott Johnson >>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>>> > nor tools >>>> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >>>> > > >>>> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >>>> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >>>> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >>>> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >>>> > pots >>>> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >>>> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >>>> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >>>> > > >>>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>>> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >>>> > calibrated >>>> > >far more times than any other deck >>>> > > >>>> > >SJ >>>> > > >>>> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > > Hi...Scott! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >>>> > & >>>> > > > or pots >>>> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >>>> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >>>> > > > Sincerely it's >>>> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Greetings, >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ALEX! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >>>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > >>>> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >>>> > tabes >>>> > > > nor tools >>>> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >>>> > few >>>> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >>>> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >>>> > decks >>>> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >>>> > plot >>>> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >>>> > also >>>> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >>>> > > > anyway. >>>> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >>>> > > > hadn't >>>> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >>>> > then >>>> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >>>> > > > surprised. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >>>> > I >>>> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >>>> > > > matter >>>> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >>>> > generator >>>> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >>>> > > > pair >>>> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >>>> > > > first. >>>> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >>>> > real >>>> > > > time >>>> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >>>> > that >>>> > > > had a >>>> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >>>> > back >>>> > > > and >>>> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >>>> > head >>>> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >>>> > head >>>> > > > for >>>> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >>>> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >>>> > about >>>> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >>>> > difference >>>> > > > was >>>> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >>>> > the >>>> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >>>> > Adjust >>>> > > > level >>>> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >>>> > it >>>> > > > was >>>> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >>>> > pots >>>> > > > (L >>>> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >>>> > > > back >>>> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >SJ >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > Hi all, >>>> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >>>> > > > procedure >>>> > > > > > for >>>> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >>>> > for >>>> > > > > > example?). >>>> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >>>> > - it >>>> > > > had >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >>>> > > > > > relatively >>>> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >>>> > may >>>> > > > not >>>> > > > > > be >>>> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >>>> > > > Nakamichi >>>> > > > > > deck by >>>> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >>>> > proper >>>> > > > > > calibration >>>> > >>>>=== message truncated === >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>____________________________________________________ >>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 5 15:06:38 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050805130638.65265.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Alex is a very knowledgeable person on Naks, having played with some of their best decks. His Dragon replaced the 1000ZXL he had before. Having a Dragon, I can tell that his observations are correct, though I have yet to compare with my own 1000ZXL. He is a staunch Dragon fan, no doubt! And that faith comes with good reason. Bala --- Ornette Wilson wrote: > Alex, > > You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. > Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... > and that you would like me to purchase it from you! > > Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price > that within the region of > £150 UKP (Sterling), > then indeed we shall do business together.... > > > Regards... > Ornette > > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 > >Dear Ornette! > > > >Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a > simple way gave you an a cute > >response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will > satisfied you 100%...Good > >Luck trying to pick one! > > > >Regards, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > >>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >>Ornette Wilson writes: > >> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, > >> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an > auto-reverse deck! > >> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, > at least) what Nak tape > >>deck > >> > should I go for? > >> > >>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? > You can operate it > >>as a single-direction only deck if you want. > There is a button that > >>selects whether you want it to reverse play or > not. > >> > >>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which > no other home Nak has. > >> > >>-Ti > >>-- > >>Ti Kan > >>http://www.amb.org/ti > >>Vorsprung durch Technik > >> > >> > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without > calibration tabes nor tools > >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 > >To my unique & dear Scott! > > > >100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside > parts get aged...Sorry! > >However...regarding tape formulations...in my > lovely and really barely used > >Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & > Bias" ajustment...calibrate > >for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound > good...or again I'm > >wrong? > > > >Greetings, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Scott Johnson > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without > calibration tabes nor > >>tools > >>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated > >>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor > values change over > >>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and > their characteristics > >>change. That's why the pots need to be > periodically calibrated. > >> > >>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated > unless they are played > >>with. > >> > >>SJ > >> > >>--- Alex Cozac wrote: > >> > >> > Shalom my dear Scott! > >> > > >> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you > do not 100% > >> > comprehend my > >> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and > all the other that > >> > you > >> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many > Normal; Chrome, & > >> > Metal type > >> > cassettes...when others machines are > "Internally" calibrated for > >> > ONE brand > >> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for > that Dragon model can > >> > be widely > >> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > >> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of > our lovely brand > >> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the > heads calibration > >> > heads WITH > >> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the > FACTORY calibrated???, > >> > that was > >> > really my dear Scott my point. > >> > > >> > Scott you wrote me! > >> > > >> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be > opened for these > >> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has > probably been > >> > calibrated > >> > >far more times than any other deck. > >> > > >> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by > me, as my mother > >> > language is > >> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each > new cassette that I > >> > intend to > >> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning > to record....for > >> > listen it > >> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type > cassettes. > >> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till > today since 1984 > >> > "FACTORY > >> > SCREWED SCREWS"! > >> > > >> > I really hope that now I made myself > apprehended...No? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Aug 5 15:19:34 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:19:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak References: <008a01c599b7$d855e560$26a187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001201c599c0$5336ad70$04000100@wqmqf762xxnn06> Try also eBay .de (German eBay).For some reason they appear to be cheaper there than on theUK ebay.I can only presume that the chaps in the UK believe that a Pound equals an Euro and therefore bid for a higher numeric number whilst they should rather convert the currency at the correct rate. US eBay ,as Graham pointed out,gives you the most for your money! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > LOL! You don't know our Alex - he wouldn't sell his Dragon even if you > offered him £1000 for it!! It's special because it was a gift. And he > loves his Dragon so much we wants everyone to have one, so they may get as > much pleasure from it as he is getting from his. However, you won't get a > decent one for £150 UKP ... > > But DO consider importing a Nakamichi from the USA because Nak prices in > the > US are often significantly lower than in the UK, esp. now the $ is so low > against the £. Even the "high" shipping seem much more reasonable given > the > difference between the two currencies. You would, however, need a voltage > converter, which is easily available from Maplins for a few quid. > > HOWEVER, wherever you buy it from, do realise it will have to be serviced > at > some point, possibly soon after you've unpacked it if you buy it unseen > such > as via eBay. And even if you buy it from a hi fi dealer, it may not have > been tuned to factory spec because very few engineers in the UK have the > correct equipment and test tapes. If you have to send it to B&W for > service > it will cost you another £50-£100. But you'd get back a stonking machine! > (B&W, BTW, are the UK specialist centre for Nak cassette machines. They > are > excellent value and do not currently exploit their monopoly.) Think of > it > this way ... you are buying a vintage car. It will need care and > attention > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ornette Wilson >> Sent: 05 August 2005 12:09 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >> >> >> Alex, >> >> You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. >> Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... >> and that you would like me to purchase it from you! >> >> Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within >> the region of >> £150 UKP (Sterling), >> then indeed we shall do business together.... >> >> >> Regards... >> Ornette >> >> >> >> >From: "Alex Cozac" >> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >> >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >> >Dear Ornette! >> > >> >Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave >> you an a cute >> >response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you >> 100%...Good >> >Luck trying to pick one! >> > >> >Regards, >> > >> >ALEX! >> > >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Aug 5 15:23:00 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:23:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak References: Message-ID: <001901c599c0$cd742a40$04000100@wqmqf762xxnn06> Alex,shame on you! Please arrange that when you 'go down to earth ' that the Dragon at least stays above!! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > Our Lord will Bless all you!!!!! > > Thanks my dear Sandor, I almost forgot, from my lovely Tri Tracer 1000/2, > yes can fit...Ornette's challenger, and as he live in UK...and I in > Israel...the mains is almost the same 220 here versus 240 in UK...however > can be "Re-Plug" it for 240 with no problem at all. The transformer > "Outside" taps are from 100 till 240 AC mains 60/50 Hertz. > > Now to Ornette...my final price is $:300.00 US DOLLAR...as because it's > extremely heavy...(To "Today's"...standard)...near 20.00 Kilograms > NET...the packaged + shipment will be relative expensive. Have all the > Originally manuals (Owner + Service). You Ornette, MUST change the two > belts...since 1981 not in use...and maybe some very minor "Electronic" > adjustment, to my knowledge...B & W REFUSE...to made any service to this > model (Mainly NO MORE ORIGINALLY SPARE PARTS)...in my deck YOU TODAY DON'T > NEED ANY SPARE PARTS...all is working, Heads in Super Mint conditions as I > recorded/listen 28 cassettes from 1978 > 1981...only TDK brand EX and SX. > I think...that for "Electronic inside calibration, + maybe some > resistors/caps changes...B & W will accept the machine for service. > > As Gra' wrote...100% garantted. that my "Gifted"...Dragon NEVER will be > sold...wiill GO with me down the earth...! > > Regards, > > ALEX! > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Sándor István >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:19:04 +0200 >> >>Dear Ornette, >>as far as I am informed, Alex has a TriTracer1000 II for sale. >>That must be a nice unit also. Maybe you should try it... >>(My comments are all without any obligation...:-))) ) >> >> >>Kind regards, >>István >>Ps: I am so unlucky that I have never had the opportunity to listen to any >>Dragons or CRs, having only a ZX7 and lower-end Naks, I must accept my >>miserable status. Though, I am quite happy with them (fully satisfied(!) >>with the ZX7, and the others are reasonably more than acceptable). >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ornette Wilson" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:09 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >> >> >>>Alex, >>> >>>You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. >>>Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... >>>and that you would like me to purchase it from you! >>> >>>Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the region >>>of £150 UKP (Sterling), >>>then indeed we shall do business together.... >>> >>> >>>Regards... >>>Ornette >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >>>>Dear Ornette! >>>> >>>>Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a >>>>cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you >>>>100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> >>>>>Ornette Wilson writes: >>>>> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >>>>> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >>>>> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak > >>>>>tape >>>>>deck >>>>> > should I go for? >>>>> >>>>>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>>>>as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>>>>selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >>>>> >>>>>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak >>>>>has. >>>>> >>>>>-Ti >>>>>-- >>>>>Ti Kan >>>>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>>tools >>>>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >>>>To my unique & dear Scott! >>>> >>>>100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get >>>>aged...Sorry! However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and >>>>really barely used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" >>>>ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so always...will >>>>sound good...or again I'm wrong? >>>> >>>>Greetings, >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Scott Johnson >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>>>tools >>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> >>>>> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>>>>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>>>>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>>>>change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >>>>> >>>>>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>>>>with. >>>>> >>>>>SJ >>>>> >>>>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Shalom my dear Scott! >>>>> > >>>>> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >>>>> > comprehend my >>>>> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >>>>> > you >>>>> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >>>>> > Metal type >>>>> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >>>>> > ONE brand >>>>> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >>>>> > be widely >>>>> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >>>>> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >>>>> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >>>>> > heads WITH >>>>> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >>>>> > that was >>>>> > really my dear Scott my point. >>>>> > >>>>> > Scott you wrote me! >>>>> > >>>>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>>>> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >>>>> > calibrated >>>>> > >far more times than any other deck. >>>>> > >>>>> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >>>>> > language is >>>>> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >>>>> > intend to >>>>> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >>>>> > listen it >>>>> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >>>>> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >>>>> > "FACTORY >>>>> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >>>>> > >>>>> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > >>>>> > ALEX! >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ALEX! >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >From: Scott Johnson >>>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>>>> > nor tools >>>>> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> > > >>>>> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >>>>> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >>>>> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >>>>> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >>>>> > pots >>>>> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >>>>> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >>>>> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >>>>> > > >>>>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>>>> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >>>>> > calibrated >>>>> > >far more times than any other deck >>>>> > > >>>>> > >SJ >>>>> > > >>>>> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > Hi...Scott! >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >>>>> > & >>>>> > > > or pots >>>>> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >>>>> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >>>>> > > > Sincerely it's >>>>> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Greetings, >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > ALEX! >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >>>>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> > >>>>> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >>>>> > tabes >>>>> > > > nor tools >>>>> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >>>>> > few >>>>> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >>>>> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >>>>> > decks >>>>> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >>>>> > plot >>>>> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >>>>> > also >>>>> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >>>>> > > > anyway. >>>>> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >>>>> > > > hadn't >>>>> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >>>>> > then >>>>> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >>>>> > > > surprised. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >>>>> > I >>>>> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >>>>> > > > matter >>>>> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >>>>> > generator >>>>> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >>>>> > > > pair >>>>> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >>>>> > > > first. >>>>> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >>>>> > real >>>>> > > > time >>>>> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >>>>> > that >>>>> > > > had a >>>>> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >>>>> > back >>>>> > > > and >>>>> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >>>>> > head >>>>> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >>>>> > head >>>>> > > > for >>>>> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >>>>> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >>>>> > about >>>>> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >>>>> > difference >>>>> > > > was >>>>> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >>>>> > the >>>>> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >>>>> > Adjust >>>>> > > > level >>>>> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >>>>> > it >>>>> > > > was >>>>> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >>>>> > pots >>>>> > > > (L >>>>> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >>>>> > > > back >>>>> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >SJ >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > Hi all, >>>>> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >>>>> > > > procedure >>>>> > > > > > for >>>>> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >>>>> > for >>>>> > > > > > example?). >>>>> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >>>>> > - it >>>>> > > > had >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >>>>> > > > > > relatively >>>>> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >>>>> > may >>>>> > > > not >>>>> > > > > > be >>>>> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >>>>> > > > Nakamichi >>>>> > > > > > deck by >>>>> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >>>>> > proper >>>>> > > > > > calibration >>>>> > >>>>>=== message truncated === >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>____________________________________________________ >>>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>>>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Aug 5 18:59:19 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: <20050804223119.58369.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050805165920.1592.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having seen many naks - and calibrated many of them like 4 Dragons ( 2 machines undertaken complex repair including Dragon' complete play head change) / 3 670ZX / 3 Rx 505 / 5 ZX series Decks more than dozen CR series decks / another dozen BX series - atleast 6 BX300 I have found two Naks of same model do not sound same! Most of the time the reason is as Scot stated here. the reason why Bala feels his 682 sounds better than a Dragon is due to the same. My best sounding Dragon is with another naktalker here and he uses it to record live performances. He had found it does the job better than his TEAC 15 IPS Spool. I am not surprised! kannan Scott Johnson wrote: >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played with. SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom my dear Scott! > > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% > comprehend my > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that > you > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & > Metal type > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for > ONE brand > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can > be widely > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration > heads WITH > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, > that was > really my dear Scott my point. > > Scott you wrote me! > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been > calibrated > >far more times than any other deck. > > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother > language is > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I > intend to > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for > listen it > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 > "FACTORY > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? > > Regards, > > ALEX! > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > nor tools > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of > pots > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level > >pots. Not the bias ones. > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been > calibrated > >far more times than any other deck > > > >SJ > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi...Scott! > > > > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > > > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads > & > > > or pots > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > > > Sincerely it's > > > very uncomprehended for me!? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration > tabes > > > nor tools > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a > few > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their > decks > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR > plot > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they > also > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > > > anyway. > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > > > hadn't > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I > then > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > > > surprised. > > > > > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no > I > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > > > matter > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal > generator > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > > > pair > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > > > first. > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in > real > > > time > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape > that > > > had a > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment > back > > > and > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record > head > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec > head > > > for > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of > about > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no > difference > > > was > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect > the > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. > Adjust > > > level > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until > it > > > was > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of > pots > > > (L > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > > > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > > > back > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > > > procedure > > > > > for > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth > for > > > > > example?). > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear > - it > > > had > > > > > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > > > relatively > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I > may > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > > > Nakamichi > > > > > deck by > > > > > ear? 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 17:00:07 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:00:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak Message-ID: Hi my lovely Walter! Be 100% sure, that ONLY...I will go down to the earth...my Dragon will remain for my descendants! I was joking...as today is so hot here in Israel, that...joking makes me feel better!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "wdrewes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:23:00 +0200 > >Alex,shame on you! Please arrange that when you 'go down to earth ' that >the Dragon at least stays above!! >Walter > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:00 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > >>Our Lord will Bless all you!!!!! >> >>Thanks my dear Sandor, I almost forgot, from my lovely Tri Tracer 1000/2, >>yes can fit...Ornette's challenger, and as he live in UK...and I in >>Israel...the mains is almost the same 220 here versus 240 in UK...however >>can be "Re-Plug" it for 240 with no problem at all. The transformer >>"Outside" taps are from 100 till 240 AC mains 60/50 Hertz. >> >>Now to Ornette...my final price is $:300.00 US DOLLAR...as because it's >>extremely heavy...(To "Today's"...standard)...near 20.00 Kilograms >>NET...the packaged + shipment will be relative expensive. Have all the >>Originally manuals (Owner + Service). You Ornette, MUST change the two >>belts...since 1981 not in use...and maybe some very minor "Electronic" >>adjustment, to my knowledge...B & W REFUSE...to made any service to this >>model (Mainly NO MORE ORIGINALLY SPARE PARTS)...in my deck YOU TODAY DON'T >>NEED ANY SPARE PARTS...all is working, Heads in Super Mint conditions as I >>recorded/listen 28 cassettes from 1978 > 1981...only TDK brand EX and SX. >>I think...that for "Electronic inside calibration, + maybe some >>resistors/caps changes...B & W will accept the machine for service. >> >>As Gra' wrote...100% garantted. that my "Gifted"...Dragon NEVER will be >>sold...wiill GO with me down the earth...! >> >>Regards, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: S�ndor Istv�n >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:19:04 +0200 >>> >>>Dear Ornette, >>>as far as I am informed, Alex has a TriTracer1000 II for sale. >>>That must be a nice unit also. Maybe you should try it... >>>(My comments are all without any obligation...:-))) ) >>> >>> >>>Kind regards, >>>Istv�n >>>Ps: I am so unlucky that I have never had the opportunity to listen to >>>any Dragons or CRs, having only a ZX7 and lower-end Naks, I must accept >>>my miserable status. Though, I am quite happy with them (fully >>>satisfied(!) with the ZX7, and the others are reasonably more than >>>acceptable). >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ornette Wilson" >>>To: >>>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:09 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>> >>> >>>>Alex, >>>> >>>>You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. >>>>Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... >>>>and that you would like me to purchase it from you! >>>> >>>>Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price that within the >>>>region of �150 UKP (Sterling), >>>>then indeed we shall do business together.... >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards... >>>>Ornette >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>>>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 >>>>>Dear Ornette! >>>>> >>>>>Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a simple way gave you an a >>>>>cute response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will satisfied you >>>>>100%...Good Luck trying to pick one! >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>> >>>>>ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >>>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>> >>>>>>Ornette Wilson writes: >>>>>> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, >>>>>> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! >>>>>> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak >>>>>> > >>>>>>tape >>>>>>deck >>>>>> > should I go for? >>>>>> >>>>>>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it >>>>>>as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that >>>>>>selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. >>>>>> >>>>>>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak >>>>>>has. >>>>>> >>>>>>-Ti >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Ti Kan >>>>>>http://www.amb.org/ti >>>>>>Vorsprung durch Technik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Alex Cozac" >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>>>tools >>>>>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 >>>>>To my unique & dear Scott! >>>>> >>>>>100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside parts get >>>>>aged...Sorry! However...regarding tape formulations...in my lovely and >>>>>really barely used Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & Bias" >>>>>ajustment...calibrate for any newer tape formula...so always...will >>>>>sound good...or again I'm wrong? >>>>> >>>>>Greetings, >>>>> >>>>>ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: Scott Johnson >>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor >>>>>>tools >>>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>> >>>>>> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >>>>>>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >>>>>>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >>>>>>change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. >>>>>> >>>>>>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >>>>>>with. >>>>>> >>>>>>SJ >>>>>> >>>>>>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Shalom my dear Scott! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% >>>>>> > comprehend my >>>>>> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that >>>>>> > you >>>>>> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & >>>>>> > Metal type >>>>>> > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for >>>>>> > ONE brand >>>>>> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can >>>>>> > be widely >>>>>> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. >>>>>> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand >>>>>> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration >>>>>> > heads WITH >>>>>> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, >>>>>> > that was >>>>>> > really my dear Scott my point. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Scott you wrote me! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>>>>> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been >>>>>> > calibrated >>>>>> > >far more times than any other deck. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother >>>>>> > language is >>>>>> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I >>>>>> > intend to >>>>>> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for >>>>>> > listen it >>>>>> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. >>>>>> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till today since 1984 >>>>>> > "FACTORY >>>>>> > SCREWED SCREWS"! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ALEX! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ALEX! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >From: Scott Johnson >>>>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes >>>>>> > nor tools >>>>>> > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and >>>>>> > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with >>>>>> > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 >>>>>> > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of >>>>>> > pots >>>>>> > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few >>>>>> > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level >>>>>> > >pots. Not the bias ones. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these >>>>>> > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been >>>>>> > calibrated >>>>>> > >far more times than any other deck >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >SJ >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > Hi...Scott! >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads >>>>>> > & >>>>>> > > > or pots >>>>>> > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and >>>>>> > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. >>>>>> > > > Sincerely it's >>>>>> > > > very uncomprehended for me!? >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Greetings, >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > ALEX! >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >From: Scott Johnson >>>>>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration >>>>>> > tabes >>>>>> > > > nor tools >>>>>> > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a >>>>>> > few >>>>>> > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a >>>>>> > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their >>>>>> > decks >>>>>> > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR >>>>>> > plot >>>>>> > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they >>>>>> > also >>>>>> > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well >>>>>> > > > anyway. >>>>>> > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he >>>>>> > > > hadn't >>>>>> > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I >>>>>> > then >>>>>> > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very >>>>>> > > > surprised. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no >>>>>> > I >>>>>> > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no >>>>>> > > > matter >>>>>> > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal >>>>>> > generator >>>>>> > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a >>>>>> > > > pair >>>>>> > > > >of Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted >>>>>> > > > first. >>>>>> > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in >>>>>> > real >>>>>> > > > time >>>>>> > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape >>>>>> > that >>>>>> > > > had a >>>>>> > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment >>>>>> > back >>>>>> > > > and >>>>>> > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record >>>>>> > head >>>>>> > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec >>>>>> > head >>>>>> > > > for >>>>>> > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias >>>>>> > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of >>>>>> > about >>>>>> > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no >>>>>> > difference >>>>>> > > > was >>>>>> > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a time and would disconnect >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. >>>>>> > Adjust >>>>>> > > > level >>>>>> > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until >>>>>> > it >>>>>> > > > was >>>>>> > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of >>>>>> > pots >>>>>> > > > (L >>>>>> > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go >>>>>> > > > back >>>>>> > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >SJ >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > Hi all, >>>>>> > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven >>>>>> > > > procedure >>>>>> > > > > > for >>>>>> > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth >>>>>> > for >>>>>> > > > > > example?). >>>>>> > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear >>>>>> > - it >>>>>> > > > had >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was >>>>>> > > > > > relatively >>>>>> > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I >>>>>> > may >>>>>> > > > not >>>>>> > > > > > be >>>>>> > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her >>>>>> > > > Nakamichi >>>>>> > > > > > deck by >>>>>> > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with >>>>>> > proper >>>>>> > > > > > calibration >>>>>> > >>>>>>=== message truncated === >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>____________________________________________________ >>>>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>>>>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>>>>> >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 5 22:40:15 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:40:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: <001201c599c0$5336ad70$04000100@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <00aa01c599fd$e286fc40$26a187d9@oemcomputer> I suspect part of the reason for the Nak's getting cheaper in Germany may be the increasing difficulty in getting service and parts. I stand to be corrected but I believe B&W is now THE service centre for all of Western Europe including Germany, esp. now that Transtec have closed their doors to Naks in Holland. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of wdrewes > Sent: 05 August 2005 14:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > > Try also eBay .de (German eBay).For some reason they appear to be cheaper > there than on theUK ebay.I can only presume that the chaps in the > UK believe > that a Pound equals an Euro and therefore bid for a higher > numeric number > whilst they should rather convert the currency at the correct rate. > US eBay ,as Graham pointed out,gives you the most for your money! > Walter > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 5 22:46:01 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:46:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <002e01c59880$f9f5d280$c9c387d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00ae01c599fe$b0d7c200$26a187d9@oemcomputer> The latest ... Using a switching box to play back both machines at the same time and the CD replay of the same music, TDK MAXG tapes and the latest Mahler highlights CD from BBC Music magazine, I compared each against each other ... Both decks could not reproduce an exact copy of the CD, although it was very close!! The Arcam, using Dolby S, replays with a tone that is very slightly increased at the top end - i.e. a smidgen more treble than the original. The ZX-9 seems to exhibit a tiny bit less treble at the very top and is just a little "fatter" in the mid range. However, both are immensely enjoyable to listen to, with the Arcam being slightly more "live" while the tape form, only the ZX-9 has adjustable record azimuth. The Arcam is undoubtedly a better built and sounding machine than my Pioneer CTS830S but it doesn't have anything approaching FLEX. I may experiment a little more over the weekend - different cables and tape formulations, that sort of thing, but I think the Arcam will be going back on eBay quite soon as, love it though I do, I can't really justify owning it AND a ZX-9. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Aug 6 07:24:34 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:24:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak References: <00aa01c599fd$e286fc40$26a187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000401c59a47$226dbda0$45d417c4@home> This does not apply to Naks only.I have 'fished ' in both markets for various things that I collect "generally" the German ebay is cheaper! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >I suspect part of the reason for the Nak's getting cheaper in Germany may >be > the increasing difficulty in getting service and parts. I stand to be > corrected but I believe B&W is now THE service centre for all of Western > Europe including Germany, esp. now that Transtec have closed their doors > to > Naks in Holland. > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of wdrewes >> Sent: 05 August 2005 14:20 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >> >> >> Try also eBay .de (German eBay).For some reason they appear to be cheaper >> there than on theUK ebay.I can only presume that the chaps in the >> UK believe >> that a Pound equals an Euro and therefore bid for a higher >> numeric number >> whilst they should rather convert the currency at the correct rate. >> US eBay ,as Graham pointed out,gives you the most for your money! >> Walter >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From packratt at erols.com Sat Aug 6 03:33:45 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:33:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape eating problem with DR-2 Message-ID: <380-2200586613345193@M2W103.mail2web.com> Just picked up a DR-2 from a pawn shop. Externally it is in very good to excellent shape. I don't have anything to compare it to but it sounds great also. The problem I'm having is it will play about 3/4 a tape then start eating it on the side it is unspooling from (loop of loose tape is on the right facing the machine). I can take the slack back up and start playing again within a few seconds it will eat it again. Put a fresh tape in or rewind it and it will play most of the tape fine then start eating. I've cleaned all the metal parts and heads but I don't have any rubber cleaner (or know a place locally to get it) to clean the pinch rollers. Any guess as to what is causing the problem and how bad I'll be bent over to have it fixed? Thanks Le -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 04:39:09 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 02:39:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <00ae01c599fe$b0d7c200$26a187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Shalom my lovely Gra' You wrote! but I >think the Arcam will be going back on eBay quite soon as, love it though I >do, I can't really justify owning it AND a ZX-9. Really a "Cute/Precious"...approval/commendation! Go forward, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:46:01 +0100 > >The latest ... Using a switching box to play back both machines at the same >time and the CD replay of the same music, TDK MAXG tapes and the latest >Mahler highlights CD from BBC Music magazine, I compared each against each >other ... > >Both decks could not reproduce an exact copy of the CD, although it was >very >close!! The Arcam, using Dolby S, replays with a tone that is very >slightly >increased at the top end - i.e. a smidgen more treble than the original. >The ZX-9 seems to exhibit a tiny bit less treble at the very top and is >just >a little "fatter" in the mid range. However, both are immensely enjoyable >to listen to, with the Arcam being slightly more "live" while the tape >form, >only the ZX-9 has adjustable record azimuth. The Arcam is undoubtedly a >better built and sounding machine than my Pioneer CTS830S but it doesn't >have anything approaching FLEX. I may experiment a little more over the >weekend - different cables and tape formulations, that sort of thing, but I >think the Arcam will be going back on eBay quite soon as, love it though I >do, I can't really justify owning it AND a ZX-9. > >Gra' >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vikingdude at mailcan.com Sat Aug 6 09:18:55 2005 From: vikingdude at mailcan.com (vikingdude at mailcan.com) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:18:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Message-ID: <1123312735.26038.240102290@webmail.messagingengine.com> I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the BX-100 be a good choice? Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? -- vikingdude at mailcan.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 6 12:02:17 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:02:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak In-Reply-To: <000401c59a47$226dbda0$45d417c4@home> Message-ID: <004201c59a6d$ed440d60$a1c587d9@oemcomputer> That's interesting - thanks for the heads-up. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of drewes > Sent: 06 August 2005 06:25 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > > This does not apply to Naks only.I have 'fished ' in both markets for > various things that I collect "generally" the German ebay is cheaper! > Walter > From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Aug 6 15:00:49 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <1123312735.26038.240102290@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806085930.0175ecd8@pop.east.cox.net> I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a deck. I sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought I'd through my opinion into the mix. Good luck!! What kind of budget are you able to work? At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the BX-100 >be a good choice? >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is >wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? >-- > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >-- >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ninenines7 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 17:35:51 2005 From: ninenines7 at yahoo.com (carl mongoo) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA350 amp In-Reply-To: <20050729225307.93251.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050806153551.56118.qmail@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> is there any contact cement on the board? a common problem w/some amps is that glue was used to hold things against the boards, often between traces or conductors. with time and heat exposure, contact cements and other glues / staking compounds crystallize and become conductive . i've seen this on several harman/kardon , SAE , and NAD amps. i don't know if there's any old glue in there, but it definitely causes intermittent problems in some amps. Scott Johnson wrote: Intermittent problems are the worse to find. Finding it on the PA-350 is going to be especially difficult to find. The problem you describe sounds like the power supply is cutting out, but, it's probably NOT the power supply. Nak designed in a couple of autoshut down modes on this amp. One of these is output offset fault. If any of the 4 channels average output voltage goes a volt or two above or below zero it triggers the power supply to shutdown (using one of the two error amplifier, pin 1/2 or 16/15). I can't remember if it automatically restarts or not. You need to narrow down the problem to one of the four channels. If you have a 4-channel digital storage scope it should be easy. Connect each channels output to the scope and trigger off of the shutdown signal on the power supply controller chip. I think that power supply uses the TL494 switching mode controller. If you don't have one of these nice scope then you are going to have a hard time. You could disable the output offset fault circuit and monitor each of the outputs with a meter or see which one burns up! The root cause of the problem is probably a hairline crack on one of the traces. Usually right where the solder pad connects to the soldermasked trace. Good luck. SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Got an intermittent problem with my nak PA350 amp. It would play > fine then > intermittently all 4 channels would cut in and out and sometimes go > dead > completely. If you sort of thump the amp a bit the sound will come > back. > Thought it might be a loose connection, so used Scott's PA350 > service manual > that he kindly sent me some time ago to open the amp up. Couldn't > see any > obvious loose connections but since I am no electrical engineer, > that's as > far as I can go. How should I go about trouble shooting this? I can > solder > and change components and have a multimeter but I'm lacking the > knowhow on > where to begin. Oh, being in Malaysia means that no service guys > are > interested in such "old" stuff :-( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From vikingdude at mailcan.com Sat Aug 6 22:32:06 2005 From: vikingdude at mailcan.com (vikingdude at mailcan.com) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806085930.0175ecd8@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806085930.0175ecd8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <1123360326.19787.240124128@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge it. On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a deck. > I > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought I'd > through my opinion into the mix. > > Good luck!! > > What kind of budget are you able to work? > > > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the BX-100 > >be a good choice? > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is > >wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > >-- > > > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > >-- > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- vikingdude at mailcan.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From vikingdude at mailcan.com Sun Aug 7 02:56:19 2005 From: vikingdude at mailcan.com (vikingdude at mailcan.com) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:56:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-3 Message-ID: <1123376179.872.240130376@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm trying to get a good Nak on a budget. What do people think of the DR-3, any good? -- vikingdude at mailcan.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 7 13:28:59 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:28:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <1123360326.19787.240124128@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <005b01c59b43$34700d80$76c487d9@oemcomputer> The problem with rarely using a Nak, or any piece of equipment really, I suppose, is that it becomes more likely to deteriorate and break down. Moving parts like to be moved or they seize up and electrical components like to be used too or else they break down faster than if they were not used. I try to play a tape through all of my decent decks at least once a month, if not more often. (The poor old Marantz portable usually gets forgotten! Out of sight, out of mind ... But fortunately, it's still working!!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of vikingdude at mailcan.com > Sent: 06 August 2005 21:32 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge it. > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 7 13:33:52 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:33:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DR-3 In-Reply-To: <1123376179.872.240130376@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <005c01c59b43$e3546440$76c487d9@oemcomputer> The DR3 - It's just a 2-headed machine, which means you won't be able to monitor the recording off tape while you record and you won't get quite so good a recording anyway as you would with a 3-headed deck. It was at the bottom of the pile of the DR series. Having said that, 2-headed Nak's are reckoned to be better than most other makers' 2-headed decks! I have a BX-1 (that I'm not using), one of the cheapest Nak - 2-headed decks, which sounded very good. (It was my first Nak ever and a gift from Nak guru Stephen Sank.) The point is this: With Naks there are only good decks, excellent decks and superb decks! The issue for you to consider is how good condition is the Nak you buy - will it require servicing to bring it up to a decent specification? And (as you are in the UK) will B&W still service it? For the time being you're safe with any of the DR range of decks. However, longer term, the spares that B&W use are finite - they will NOT be replaced. So, eventually, B&W will eventually stop servicing all Nak's. Only they know when that's likely to be: This year, next year, 5 years hence? Who knows, only them. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of vikingdude at mailcan.com > Sent: 07 August 2005 01:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] DR-3 > > > I'm trying to get a good Nak on a budget. What do people think of the > DR-3, any good? > -- > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 14:48:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:48:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Message-ID: Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! Try something else! ALEX! >From: vikingdude at mailcan.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 >Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > >I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge it. > >On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a deck. > > I > > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought I'd > > through my opinion into the mix. > > > > Good luck!! > > > > What kind of budget are you able to work? > > > > > > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the BX-100 > > >be a good choice? > > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is > > >wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > > >-- > > > > > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > > >-- > > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-- > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >-- >http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ornsman at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 16:31:04 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:31:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) References: <20050804205613.106621602B@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Ti, > Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? > When I was young, I wanted myself an auto-reverse tape deck! I was only 13/14, and I thought being able to record on both sides without having to turn the tape over was the height of luxury! (I have had a long fascination with recording and the reproduction of sound!) In my naivity I had reckoned that such a deck would have to have 'two heads' (i.e. 3 heads), one to play the tape back and t'other to to play it front. Or, possibly, a single-head but with a double-aperture on it - as to catch all four channels in one swoop, so to speak. But never did I expect that the solution would be a single-head that would swivel 180° about its axis! For a young kid, I guess I must have been quite insightful to have the thought: "this can't be any good - surely the alignments gonna go out of whack in no time!??" Still, I hardly had much recourse in that situation and I 'spose that before long my objections were soon forgotten... Now, however (two A/R tape decks down the line), my patience with A/R is all gone and I really don't want to have anything to do with a A-R deck again. > You can operate it > as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that > selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. Sure, I could resolve never-to-use my prospective 'Dragon' in A/R mode, but what about any of the previous owners? I just wanna know that the next tape deck I buy has a fixed, securely positioned head that is not gonna wobble about. That's my point of view, and noone's gonna make me feel otherwise. No A/R deck for me! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > Ornette Wilson writes: > > Probably for Alex more than anyone, > > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an auto-reverse deck! > > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, at least) what Nak tape deck > > should I go for? > > Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? You can operate it > as a single-direction only deck if you want. There is a button that > selects whether you want it to reverse play or not. > > The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which no other home Nak has. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From enoyes at snet.net Sun Aug 7 19:23:22 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:23:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F6438A.7020603@snet.net> I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a shameful thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad idler wheel and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a friend still works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck should for less than $50! Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... Ed Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > Try something else! > > ALEX! > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 >> >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge it. >> >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a >> deck. >> > I >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought I'd >> > through my opinion into the mix. >> > >> > Good luck!! >> > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? >> > >> > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the >> BX-100 >> > >be a good choice? >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is >> > >wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? >> > >-- >> > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com >> > > >> > >-- >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... >> > > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> -- >> >> vikingdude at mailcan.com >> >> -- >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 7 17:15:56 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:15:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006201c59b62$e9351e80$76c487d9@oemcomputer> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ornette Wilson > Sent: 07 August 2005 15:31 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) > Sure, I could resolve never-to-use my prospective 'Dragon' in A/R > mode, but > what about any of the previous owners? I just wanna know that > the next tape > deck I buy has a fixed, securely positioned head that is not gonna wobble > about. That's my point of view, and noone's gonna make me feel otherwise. > > No A/R deck for me! > Well, Ornette - the track record of the Dragon speaks for itself. Regardless of your fears, the Dragon is generally regarded as the best PLAYBACK cassette machine ever made. This may be due to it's amazing stability and the NAAC system; nevertheless, the incredible performance of those aspects of the machine is not undermined by the heads movement because, as I understand it, they are meant to move anyway, controlled to do so by minute amounts, by the NAAC system, so that azimuth correction is in real time of the playback. Gra' From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 7 20:19:44 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:19:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <42F6438A.7020603@snet.net> Message-ID: <000401c59b7c$97457a10$7300a8c0@Shaun> I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for £3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a month or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I live) and there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear upgrade and a buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are common faults and are confident of being able to restore the unit to original spec. What more could you ask for on a budget. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 07 August 2005 18:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a shameful thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad idler wheel and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a friend still works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck should for less than $50! Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... Ed Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > Try something else! > > ALEX! > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 >> >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge >> it. >> >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a >> deck. >> > I >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought >> > I'd through my opinion into the mix. >> > >> > Good luck!! >> > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? >> > >> > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the >> BX-100 >> > >be a good choice? >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something >> > >is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? >> > >-- >> > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com >> > > >> > >-- >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... >> > > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >> >====== >> >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >> >====== >> >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> > >your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >> >====== >> >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> > account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> -- >> >> vikingdude at mailcan.com >> >> -- >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Sun Aug 7 22:16:19 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: from "Ornette Wilson" at Aug 07, 2005 03:31:04 PM Message-ID: <20050807201619.4227316030@smtp.amb.org> Ornette Wilson writes: > > Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? > > [ ... ] > In my naivity I had reckoned that such a deck would have to have 'two heads' > (i.e. 3 heads), one to play the tape back and t'other to to play it front. > Or, possibly, a single-head but with a double-aperture on it - as to catch > all four channels in one swoop, so to speak. But never did I expect that > the solution would be a single-head that would swivel 180° about its axis! > [ ... ] > deck I buy has a fixed, securely positioned head that is not gonna wobble > about. That's my point of view, and noone's gonna make me feel otherwise. > > No A/R deck for me! This is where I think you have a misunderstanding of what the Dragon is. Yes, it is auto-reverse, and no, it does not swivel its head 180 degrees to play the opposite direction. This is unlike almost all other auto-reverse decks. The Dragon's heads stay in the same orientation in both directions. To elaborate, it is auto-reverse for playback only, and can only record in the forward direction. Since it is a discrete 3-head design with separate erase, record and playback heads, this removes the problem of having to move the erase and record heads to the other side of the play head for the reverse direction for recording -- it simply doesn't do it. For playback, as I said above, the play head does not swivel. It is designed to handle the tape traveling in both directions. In addition, the NAAC system automatically and continuously makes small adjustments to the play head's azimuth to adapt itself to the tape you're playing, so that you get perfect alignment in both directions. The play head's right channel is actually two closely stacked heads, picking up the signal at two different points of the recorded "track". The two signals are coninuously analyzed by internal logic (to compare their relative phase). When the head is in perfect alignment to the tape, there is no phase difference between the two. If a difference is detected, a small stepper motor is activated to adjust the head until the alignment is correct. The NAAC not only solves the problem of azimuth alignment problem of auto-reverse, but it also makes it possible to achieve perfect playback of tapes recorded on other decks automatically. The Dragon also has closed-loop dual capstan with double direct drive motors (each capstan has its own motor) unlike any other Nak (and most other decks period). This provides an immensely stable feed of the tape across the heads. You should have a look at the Dragon's brochure which goes in depth to explain this landmark deck's features. It is no ordinary machine and didn't command the respect that it gets without substance. If you would like a scanned copy of this let me know. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 7 22:12:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:12:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <000401c59b7c$97457a10$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <007101c59b8c$5071f720$76c487d9@oemcomputer> Nice one, Shaun! All goes to show there ARE bargains still to be had!! And I'll bet B&W will get it all fixed and the machine otherwise nicely serviced for you inside £100, too. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 07 August 2005 19:20 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for £3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a month > or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I live) and > there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear upgrade and a > buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are common > faults and > are confident of being able to restore the unit to original spec. > What more > could you ask for on a budget. > > Shaun > > From vikingdude at mailcan.com Sun Aug 7 23:03:49 2005 From: vikingdude at mailcan.com (vikingdude at mailcan.com) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:03:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <000401c59b7c$97457a10$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000401c59b7c$97457a10$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <1123448629.4630.240161718@webmail.messagingengine.com> I can easily throw more money after a deck than 100$, just trying to figure out what the price level of a good nak is. (I'm in the usa by the way). Maybe I should just go 3 head instead of 2. What are some of the "bang for the buck" 3 head nak models? and how much do they typically go for? Does any one know if I can get one repired in Los Angeles if I get one that has trouble? On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:19:44 +0100, "Shaun Montgomery" said: > I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for £3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a > month > or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I live) and > there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear upgrade and a > buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are common faults > and > are confident of being able to restore the unit to original spec. What > more > could you ask for on a budget. > > Shaun > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 07 August 2005 18:23 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there > would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail > are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a shameful > thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad idler wheel > and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a friend still > works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck should for less > than $50! > > Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... > > Ed > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > > > Try something else! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > >> > >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge > >> it. > >> > >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a > >> deck. > >> > I > >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought > >> > I'd through my opinion into the mix. > >> > > >> > Good luck!! > >> > > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? > >> > > >> > > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the > >> BX-100 > >> > >be a good choice? > >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something > >> > >is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > >> > >-- > >> > > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > >> > > > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > >> > >your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> > account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> -- > >> > >> vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- vikingdude at mailcan.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 02:21:18 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:21:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <000401c59b7c$97457a10$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: To my lovely Shaun! Really a "Gift"...however...how much will cost you the fully reparation? My best wishes and enjoy your BX-2 after that will came "Alive"...again! ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 >Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:19:44 +0100 > >I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for �3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a month >or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I live) and >there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear upgrade and a >buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are common faults and >are confident of being able to restore the unit to original spec. What more >could you ask for on a budget. > >Shaun > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Edward Noyes >Sent: 07 August 2005 18:23 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > >I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there >would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail >are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a shameful >thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad idler wheel >and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a friend still >works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck should for less >than $50! > >Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... > >Ed > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > > > Try something else! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > >> > >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge > >> it. > >> > >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a > >> deck. > >> > I > >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought > >> > I'd through my opinion into the mix. > >> > > >> > Good luck!! > >> > > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? > >> > > >> > > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the > >> BX-100 > >> > >be a good choice? > >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something > >> > >is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > >> > >-- > >> > > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > >> > > > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > >> > >your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> > account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> -- > >> > >> vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for >free > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 02:31:03 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:31:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) Message-ID: Dear Ti! As an a "Dragon" owner I completely agreed with you, the only problem...with Ornette, is that don't want to spend/spell such quantity of money on an a 100% working Dragon! I really hope...that after your and Gra' explanation..., will be much more convinced! Regards, ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) >Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Ornette Wilson writes: > > > Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? > > > > [ ... ] > > In my naivity I had reckoned that such a deck would have to have 'two >heads' > > (i.e. 3 heads), one to play the tape back and t'other to to play it >front. > > Or, possibly, a single-head but with a double-aperture on it - as to >catch > > all four channels in one swoop, so to speak. But never did I expect >that > > the solution would be a single-head that would swivel 180� about its >axis! > > [ ... ] > > deck I buy has a fixed, securely positioned head that is not gonna >wobble > > about. That's my point of view, and noone's gonna make me feel >otherwise. > > > > No A/R deck for me! > >This is where I think you have a misunderstanding of what the Dragon is. >Yes, it is auto-reverse, and no, it does not swivel its head 180 degrees >to play the opposite direction. This is unlike almost all other >auto-reverse >decks. The Dragon's heads stay in the same orientation in both directions. > >To elaborate, it is auto-reverse for playback only, and can only record >in the forward direction. Since it is a discrete 3-head design with >separate erase, record and playback heads, this removes the problem of >having to move the erase and record heads to the other side of the >play head for the reverse direction for recording -- it simply doesn't >do it. For playback, as I said above, the play head does not swivel. >It is designed to handle the tape traveling in both directions. > >In addition, the NAAC system automatically and continuously makes >small adjustments to the play head's azimuth to adapt itself to the tape >you're playing, so that you get perfect alignment in both directions. >The play head's right channel is actually two closely stacked heads, >picking up the signal at two different points of the recorded "track". >The two signals are coninuously analyzed by internal logic (to compare >their relative phase). When the head is in perfect alignment to the tape, >there is no phase difference between the two. If a difference is detected, >a small stepper motor is activated to adjust the head until the alignment >is >correct. The NAAC not only solves the problem of azimuth alignment problem >of auto-reverse, but it also makes it possible to achieve perfect playback >of tapes recorded on other decks automatically. > >The Dragon also has closed-loop dual capstan with double direct drive >motors (each capstan has its own motor) unlike any other Nak (and most >other decks period). This provides an immensely stable feed of the tape >across the heads. > >You should have a look at the Dragon's brochure which goes in depth >to explain this landmark deck's features. It is no ordinary machine >and didn't command the respect that it gets without substance. If you >would like a scanned copy of this let me know. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Michael.McCormic at ca.ngb.army.mil Mon Aug 8 03:50:15 2005 From: Michael.McCormic at ca.ngb.army.mil (Mccormic, Michael J MSG NGCA) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:50:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 Message-ID: Gentlemen, I own a BX-150 which I purchased in 1985. Recently, it started to stop playing after a few seconds, and after reading your advice to others, I replaced the idler wheel, as the symptoms described were exactly the same as I was experiencing. However, the problem still exists post replacement. Can anyone give me some further troubleshooting tips (short of turning my deck in to a shop)? After some investigation, I'm afraid that the parts for the idler wheel / gear upgrade are no longer available. Any help would be most appreciated. Mike McCormic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 08:56:06 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050808065606.71809.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well no. As our friends have said, a deck can be had for this budget. But think carefully because at this price range, the condition and calibre of the machine is also bound to suffer. It would be wiser to loosen the budget strings a little bit. For slightly more, you could have a better machine. What worries me more is your next remark - 'since I'm rarely going to be usinge it.' In my opinion, a cassette deck is best maintained by turning it on at least once a week. I make it a point to turn on all my decks once a week and play a full side of a 46 min (that makes it 23 mins). Neglect it for a while and you are in for a clean and lube minimum. Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! Try something else! ALEX! >From: vikingdude at mailcan.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 >Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > >I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge it. > >On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a deck. > > I > > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought I'd > > through my opinion into the mix. > > > > Good luck!! > > > > What kind of budget are you able to work? > > > > > > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the BX-100 > > >be a good choice? > > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is > > >wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > > >-- > > > > > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > > >-- > > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-- > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >-- >http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. 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How well was the machine setup for the particular tape? My first ever reel deck, a Revox PR99 was sold to me without the guy telling me he set it up for EMTEC tape. It didn't sound good even when I fed it Ampex 456 or Maxell tapes. I suffered for over a year, while my dad's ever trusty 680ZX easily gave the PR99 the shivers. Eventually I learnt about the problem when I bumped into the seller a year later in a hifi show. I went home, re-calibrated the tape for my new Maxell UDXLs and life has never been the same again for the 680ZX. The physics of 1/4 in. tape travelling at 8 times the speed of cassette definitely has to sound better. My Dragon is definitely not up to spec. When recording, there is quite a difference between record and playback. So I'd suppose much has to be done to bring it up to performance. However, even though that would narrow the gap, it would still put the 680ZX up I suppose. Many of my dad's friends who had the chance of playing and servicing Naks back in those days also say that the Dragon could still be challanged by a few Naks, like the CR7, ZX9, ZX7, the 680ZX and the ZXL series. Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Having seen many naks - and calibrated many of them like 4 Dragons ( 2 machines undertaken complex repair including Dragon' complete play head change) / 3 670ZX / 3 Rx 505 / 5 ZX series Decks more than dozen CR series decks / another dozen BX series - atleast 6 BX300 I have found two Naks of same model do not sound same! Most of the time the reason is as Scot stated here. the reason why Bala feels his 682 sounds better than a Dragon is due to the same. My best sounding Dragon is with another naktalker here and he uses it to record live performances. He had found it does the job better than his TEAC 15 IPS Spool. I am not surprised! kannan Scott Johnson wrote: >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played with. SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom my dear Scott! > > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% > comprehend my > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that > you > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & > Metal type > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for > ONE brand > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can> be widely > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration > heads WITH > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, > that was > really my dear Scott my point. > > Scott you wrote me! > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been > calibrated > >far more times than any other deck. > > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother > language is > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I > intend to > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for > listen it > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. > Surely...NO technicia! n open my machine...till today since 1984 > "FACTORY > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? > > Regards, > > ALEX! > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > nor tools > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of > pots > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level > >pots. Not the bias ones. > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been > calibrated > >far more times than any other deck > > > >SJ > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi...Scott! > > > > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > > > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads > & > > > or pots > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > > > Sincerely it's > > > very uncomprehended for me!? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration > tabes > > > nor tools > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a > few > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their > decks > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR > plot > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they > also > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > > > anyway. > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > > > hadn't > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I > then > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > > > surprised. > > > > > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no > I > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > > > matter > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal > generator > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > > > pair > > > >of! Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > > > first. > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in > real > > > time > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape > that > > > had a > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment > back > > > and > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record > head > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec > head > > > for > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of > about > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no > difference > > > was > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a! time and would disconnect > the > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. > Adjust > > > level > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until > it > > > was > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of > pots > > > (L > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > > > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > > > back > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > > > procedure> > > > > for > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth > for > > > > > example?). > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear > - it > > > had > > > > > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > > > relatively > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I > may > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > > > Nakamichi > > > > > deck by > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with > proper > > > > > calibration > ! === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 8 10:16:06 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:16:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c59bf1$6e0e4620$7300a8c0@Shaun> Greetings Alex on a fine sunny morning(at last!). B & W have told me that it will cost.... Well, the copy email follows.. "Hi Shaun Yes, no problem with this. These are usual faults with the BX-2 and we can restore the deck to its former glory. A full service on this model is usually anything between £100 and £140, depending on exactly which parts are needed. Regards Paul Wilkins" That price includes the gear upgrade which they do automatically unless you specify otherwise. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 08 August 2005 01:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 To my lovely Shaun! Really a "Gift"...however...how much will cost you the fully reparation? My best wishes and enjoy your BX-2 after that will came "Alive"...again! ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 >Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:19:44 +0100 > >I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for £3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a >month or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I >live) and there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear >upgrade and a buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are >common faults and are confident of being able to restore the unit to >original spec. What more could you ask for on a budget. > >Shaun > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Edward Noyes >Sent: 07 August 2005 18:23 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > >I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there >would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail >are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a >shameful thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad >idler wheel and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a >friend still works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck >should for less than $50! > >Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... > >Ed > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > > > Try something else! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > >> > >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be > >> usinge it. > >> > >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of > >> > a > >> deck. > >> > I > >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought > >> > I'd through my opinion into the mix. > >> > > >> > Good luck!! > >> > > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? > >> > > >> > > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the > >> BX-100 > >> > >be a good choice? > >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something > >> > >is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > >> > >-- > >> > > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > >> > > > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------= > >> >== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------= > >> >== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > >> > >your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------= > >> >== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > >> == > >> ===== > >> > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > >> == > >> ===== > >> > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > >> > your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > >> == > >> ===== > >> > >> -- > >> > >> vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for >free > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > >> == > >> ===== > >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > >> == > >> ===== > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > >> == > >> ===== > >> > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > == > > ==== > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > == > > ==== > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 8 12:01:19 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:01:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <001001c59bf1$6e0e4620$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <007001c59c00$1f7c4ca0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Including the gear upgrade? That's a good price, Shaun - very good. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 08 August 2005 09:16 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > Greetings Alex on a fine sunny morning(at last!). > > B & W have told me that it will cost.... Well, the copy email follows.. > > "Hi Shaun > Yes, no problem with this. These are usual faults with the BX-2 > and we can > restore the deck to its former glory. A full service on this model is > usually anything between £100 and £140, depending on exactly > which parts are > needed. > Regards > Paul Wilkins" > > That price includes the gear upgrade which they do automatically > unless you > specify otherwise. > > Shaun > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 8 13:35:59 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:35:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <002201c592f0$d30f5190$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:00:54 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:00:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 References: <000401c59b7c$97457a10$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Why didn't I go for that one! I spotted it myself a couple days before you mentioned it (on the list)... What a bargain! (To think I even joined the list to ask about a prospective BX-2... at £115 UKP from this second hand electrical bric-a-brak shop I bumped into the other day...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Montgomery" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for £3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a month > or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I live) and > there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear upgrade and a > buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are common faults and > are confident of being able to restore the unit to original spec. What more > could you ask for on a budget. > > Shaun > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 07 August 2005 18:23 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there > would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail > are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a shameful > thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad idler wheel > and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a friend still > works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck should for less > than $50! > > Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... > > Ed > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > > > Try something else! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > >> > >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge > >> it. > >> > >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a > >> deck. > >> > I > >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought > >> > I'd through my opinion into the mix. > >> > > >> > Good luck!! > >> > > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? > >> > > >> > > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the > >> BX-100 > >> > >be a good choice? > >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something > >> > >is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > >> > >-- > >> > > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > >> > > > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > >> > >your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >====== > >> > >> > > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> > account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> -- > >> > >> vikingdude at mailcan.com > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:35:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:35:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <001001c59bf1$6e0e4620$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Lovely Shaun! IF...and only you decide...is suitable for your pocket!!! Also it's 100% true, that after B&W will do the job...you will enjoy this deck many forthcoming years! Regards, my truly Shaun, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:16:06 +0100 > >Greetings Alex on a fine sunny morning(at last!). > >B & W have told me that it will cost.... Well, the copy email follows.. > >"Hi Shaun >Yes, no problem with this. These are usual faults with the BX-2 and we can >restore the deck to its former glory. A full service on this model is >usually anything between �100 and �140, depending on exactly which parts >are >needed. >Regards >Paul Wilkins" > >That price includes the gear upgrade which they do automatically unless you >specify otherwise. > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 08 August 2005 01:21 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > > >To my lovely Shaun! > >Really a "Gift"...however...how much will cost you the fully reparation? > >My best wishes and enjoy your BX-2 after that will came "Alive"...again! > >ALEX! > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > >Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:19:44 +0100 > > > >I agree Ed. I bought a BX-2 for �3.50 (yes incredible but correct!)a > >month or two back. The auction ended in mid morning in the UK(where I > >live) and there are a couple of repairable problems (idler wheel/gear > >upgrade and a buzzing on playback. Bowers & Wilkins have said these are > >common faults and are confident of being able to restore the unit to > >original spec. What more could you ask for on a budget. > > > >Shaun > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >Behalf Of Edward Noyes > >Sent: 07 August 2005 18:23 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > > > >I would not agree. If I had only $40 to spend on a cassette deck there > >would be no choice other than BX-1. Components that are likely to fail > >are most recent made and also outsource to Sankyo anyway (not a > >shameful thing as CR-7 transport is Sankyo). I would buy one with bad > >idler wheel and repair for next to nothing cost. Last BX-1 I got for a > >friend still works perfectly and sounds better than any cassette deck > >should for less than $50! > > > >Go for it, as Graham's line started, there are only good Naks... > > > >Ed > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully > > > working Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > > > > > Try something else! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: vikingdude at mailcan.com > > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > >> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > > >> > > >> I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be > > >> usinge it. > > >> > > >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > > >> > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of > > >> > a > > >> deck. > > >> > I > > >> > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought > > >> > I'd through my opinion into the mix. > > >> > > > >> > Good luck!! > > >> > > > >> > What kind of budget are you able to work? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > >> > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the > > >> BX-100 > > >> > >be a good choice? > > >> > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something > > >> > >is wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > > >> > >-- > > >> > > > > >> > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > >> > > > > >> > >-- > > >> > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------= > > >> >== > > >> >====== > > >> > > >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------= > > >> >== > > >> >====== > > >> > > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > > >> > >your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------= > > >> >== > > >> >====== > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > > >> == > > >> ===== > > >> > > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > > >> == > > >> ===== > > >> > > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > > >> > your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > > >> == > > >> ===== > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> vikingdude at mailcan.com > > >> > > >> -- > > >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for > >free > > >> > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > > >> == > > >> ===== > > >> > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > > >> == > > >> ===== > > >> > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------== > > >> == > > >> ===== > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > > == > > > ==== > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > > == > > > ==== > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== > >=== > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:46:30 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:46:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools Message-ID: My dear Bala! Could be that you recently acquired Dragon...was maltreated...so badly...that you "WILL NEED"...to send to B&W in UK...to be restore olmost as an a new one...or maybe in Singapore...can be do it!? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:03:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Having been involved in complexities like complete head block change, I am >sure you know how important setting up a machine for a tape is. The Teac >r2r running at 15ips is a very different beast from the Dragon. Having done >similiar work on over 15 machines ( Teac/TASCAMS, Revoxs, Akai, Ampex..) I >have to caution about one thing. How well was the machine setup for the >particular tape? My first ever reel deck, a Revox PR99 was sold to me >without the guy telling me he set it up for EMTEC tape. It didn't sound >good even when I fed it Ampex 456 or Maxell tapes. I suffered for over a >year, while my dad's ever trusty 680ZX easily gave the PR99 the shivers. >Eventually I learnt about the problem when I bumped into the seller a year >later in a hifi show. I went home, re-calibrated the tape for my new Maxell >UDXLs and life has never been the same again for the 680ZX. The physics of >1/4 in. tape travelling at 8 times the speed of cassette definitely has to >sound better. > >My Dragon is definitely not up to spec. When recording, there is quite a >difference between record and playback. So I'd suppose much has to be done >to bring it up to performance. However, even though that would narrow the >gap, it would still put the 680ZX up I suppose. Many of my dad's friends >who had the chance of playing and servicing Naks back in those days also >say that the Dragon could still be challanged by a few Naks, like the CR7, >ZX9, ZX7, the 680ZX and the ZXL series. > >Bala > >kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >Having seen many naks - and calibrated many of them like 4 Dragons ( 2 >machines undertaken complex repair including Dragon' complete play head >change) / 3 670ZX / 3 Rx 505 / 5 ZX series Decks more than dozen CR series >decks / another dozen BX series - atleast 6 BX300 I have found two Naks of >same model do not sound same! Most of the time the reason is as Scot stated >here. the reason why Bala feels his 682 sounds better than a Dragon is due >to the same. >My best sounding Dragon is with another naktalker here and he uses it to >record live performances. He had found it does the job better than his TEAC >15 IPS Spool. >I am not surprised! >kannan > >Scott Johnson wrote: > >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated >Because things change. Capacitor and resistor values change over >time, tape formulations change, heads wear and their characteristics >change. That's why the pots need to be periodically calibrated. > >The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated unless they are played >with. > >SJ > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Shalom my dear Scott! > > > > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do not 100% > > comprehend my > > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and all the other that > > you > > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many Normal; Chrome, & > > Metal type > > cassettes...when others machines are "Internally" calibrated for > > ONE brand > > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for that Dragon model can> be >widely > > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of our lovely brand > > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the heads calibration > > heads WITH > > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated???, > > that was > > really my dear Scott my point. > > > > Scott you wrote me! > > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has probably been > > calibrated > > >far more times than any other deck. > > > > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by me, as my mother > > language is > > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each new cassette that I > > intend to > > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning to record....for > > listen it > > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type cassettes. > > Surely...NO technicia! n open my machine...till today since 1984 > > "FACTORY > > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > > > I really hope that now I made myself apprehended...No? > > > > Regards, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes > > nor tools > > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, adjustable level and > > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks Nakamichi made with > > >all these front panel adjustments is the Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 > > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks have an array of > > pots > > >that are only accessible by taking off the cover. There are a few > > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that have just the level > > >pots. Not the bias ones. > > > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be opened for these > > >calibration pots. So really your dragon has probably been > > calibrated > > >far more times than any other deck > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > > > Hi...Scott! > > > > > > > > Allow me to ask you an a very unintelligent/stupid question? > > > > > > > > Why...so many Nak lucky owners, are trying to "Calibrate" heads > > & > > > > or pots > > > > internally????? My Dragon since 1984 newer was touched...and > > > > deliver/render/turn in...faithfully & dependably recordings. > > > > Sincerely it's > > > > very uncomprehended for me!? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration > > tabes > > > > nor tools > > > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > >The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a > > few > > > > >hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before I was to take it to a > > > > >traveling Nak tech clinic. Two of my friends brought their > > decks > > > > >too. They basically just cleaned the tape path and ran a FR > > plot > > > > >which they printed out and placed in a folder. Oh yeah, they > > also > > > > >checked SNR, speed, W&F and maybe channel separations. Well > > > > anyway. > > > > >When the guy put my deck on he was surprised. He said that he > > > > hadn't > > > > >seen a deck with this flat a frequency response all week. I > > then > > > > >told him that I calibrated it myself! Again he was very > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > >This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no > > I > > > > >could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > > > > matter > > > > >how hard I tried). Anyway I used a test CD as my signal > > generator > > > > >and I think I only used pink noise. Listen was done through a > > > > pair > > > > >of! Stax Lambda electrostatic earspeaker. Azimuth was adjusted > > > > first. > > > > > I used one of the famous Sheffield Labs recordings done in > > real > > > > time > > > > >on ZX-9's (fantastic tapes). I used a section of the tape > > that > > > > had a > > > > >lot of snare and cymbals. I just rotated PB head adjustment > > back > > > > and > > > > >forth until I got maximum high frequencies. Next was record > > head > > > > >azimuth. There I recorded pink noise and adjusted the Rec > > head > > > > for > > > > >maximum high frequencies. Now on to either level or bias > > > > >adjustments. Again I used pink noise recorded at a level of > > about > > > > >-20 dB and switched between tape and source until no > > difference > > > > was > > > > >heard. I would do one channel at a! time and would disconnect > > the > > > > >other channel from the amplifier so I couldn't hear it. > > Adjust > > > > level > > > > >or bias and then adjust the other going back and forth until > > it > > > > was > > > > >perfect. This gets time consuming since there are 6 sets of > > pots > > > > (L > > > > >& R for each of the 3 tape types). > > > > > > > > > >Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go > > > > back > > > > >to the old way. It took way too much time. > > > > > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pawel Bartuzi >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I wonder whether any of you Nak owners have any proven > > > > procedure> > > > > for > > > > > > calibrating _some_ of deck parameters (like heads azimuth > > for > > > > > > example?). > > > > > > Back in the old days I used to tinker my cheap deck by ear > > - it > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > however only one head for recording and playing so that was > > > > > > relatively > > > > > > easy. Now that I have BX-300 I fear if I touch something I > > may > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > able to return to the original state anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the question is: does anybody calibrate his or her > > > > Nakamichi > > > > > > deck by > > > > > > ear? Or is this a thing that should be attempted with > > proper > > > > > > calibration > > >! === message truncated === > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ornsman at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:56:17 2005 From: ornsman at hotmail.com (Ornette Wilson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:56:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools References: <20050808080335.92160.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmm, I always reckoned those prohibitarily expensive interconnect cables were more likely than not probably just the 'magic beans' of the hi-fi industry...! I once spent a few quid on some cables from Richer Sounds back in the day, at a £10 a pop (for a 1 metre lead). I'd say I'd be pretty sure that they were a worthwhile upgrade from the basic flimsy black interconnects you'd get for free with a bit of kit. But could those £50, £60, £70+ interconnects really be that much different!!?! P.S. What's this Nakamichi T-100 thing you mentioned? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <...SNIP...> From: Scott Johnson Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before ... ...This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no matter how hard I tried).... ...Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go back to the old way. It took way too much time. SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:01:57 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:01:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Shalom Gra' You wrote! >However, I AM warming to >the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The >question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares >and >servicing be available?? Your argument is 100% true!!!! You can do two guesses..., go to Aracam's factory & acquire/get spare parts for your Delta 100...before will be shopworn/shopsoiled..and or will cost you a fortune to obtain such parts, as you wrote...ONE DAY during this "Millenium"...Nakamichi spare parts will be part of history!!! Gra'...keep going...!, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:35:59 +0100 > >Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the >ZX-9 >sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the >Arcam, too. > >I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time >identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, >too. >The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with >the ZX-9. > >Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy >Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched >against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost >against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate >in this respect. > >However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of >the >ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why >the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's >(he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD >player! > >The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth >correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read >and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to >the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The >question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares >and >servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a >very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may >also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their >stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Jonathan Doupe > Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! > > > Hi Gra, > Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head >test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and >bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was >built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the >80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though >isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three >going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell >tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of >tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. > > Jonathan (Southport) >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 8 15:47:17 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:47:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) Message-ID: <42F76265.6050500@sbcglobal.net> Ti Says: "In addition, the NAAC system automatically and continuously makes small adjustments to the play head's azimuth to adapt itself to the tape you're playing, so that you get perfect alignment in both directions. The play head's right channel is actually two closely stacked heads, picking up the signal at two different points of the recorded "track". The two signals are coninuously analyzed by internal logic (to compare their relative phase)." Ken says: This is what I found to be most amazing! Do you realize how small that track is already on a cassette, and Nak got 2 channels into that one track! That in itself is a big time engineering feat and makes the dragon so very special. Ti Says: "The Dragon also has closed-loop dual capstan with double direct drive motors (each capstan has its own motor) unlike any other Nak (and most other decks period). This provides an immensely stable feed of the tape across the heads." Ken say: I think we often forget about the importance of this tape speed stability when making recordings. The Dragon is supposed to be the ultimate playback deck, but this feature of the transport makes a big difference when recording too. I love all the wonderful recording features of my RX 505, but when it is a special recording, I still use the Dragon. That rock stable tape speed is something special. Those are some nice...really nice drive motors in the Dragon. They look like coreless. Are they? Does the CR7 have the same transport motors as the Dragon?? From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 8 16:03:51 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:03:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> References: <002201c592f0$d30f5190$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100220.03be5b38@psulias.psu.edu> There are tons of Nak machines out there to scavenge for parts and I'm sure a lot of the parts from the cheaper Naks will fit on the ZX9. >The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth >correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read >and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming >to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The >question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares >and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and >by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them >may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and >their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! > >Gra' Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Aug 8 16:04:20 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:04:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Message-ID: Hi Graham - and all .... I have thoroughly enjoyed the discussions regarding the comparative performance of the Arcam Delta 100. I know that one of Stereophile's reviewers did the full test on the Arcam and was extremely impressed - declaring it to be better than the two DAT machines that he had to hand at the time, one of which, in fairness was a portable unit. In the circumstances and in a sense, the "proviso," was to use metal tape (I think I recall TDK MA-X) and Dolby S. He bemoaned the law of Terminal Pinnacling, which as engineers will know states that any technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction. Gra' - what metal were you using? Cheers- Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 08/08/05 01:35PM >>> Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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At 08:00 AM 8/8/2005, you wrote: >Why didn't I go for that one! >I spotted it myself a couple days before you mentioned it (on the list)... >What a bargain! >(To think I even joined the list to ask about a prospective BX-2... at £115 >UKP from >this second hand electrical bric-a-brak shop I bumped into the other day...) Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 8 16:07:11 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:07:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: <002801c59949$267cc2a0$26a187d9@oemcomputer> References: <000b01c598f2$43920dc0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <002801c59949$267cc2a0$26a187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100643.01e3cdf0@psulias.psu.edu> I've been very impressed with my CR-5. Outstanding sounding machine. At 07:06 PM 8/4/2005, you wrote: >Walter > >I seem to recall, Stephen Sank even put the CR-5 before the ZX-9 and ZX-7 in >his list of the best sounding Nak's. But I suppose it's a very objective >thing. > >Gra' > Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 8 16:48:19 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:48:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor, tools Message-ID: <42F770B3.8030202@sbcglobal.net> Bela says: "Having been involved in complexities like complete head block change, I am sure you know how important setting up a machine for a tape is. The Teac r2r running at 15ips is a very different beast from the Dragon. Having done similar work on over 15 machines ( Teac/TASCAMS, Revoxs, Akai, Ampex..) I have to caution about one thing. How well was the machine setup for the particular tape? My first ever reel deck, a Revox PR99 was sold to me without the guy telling me he set it up for EMTEC tape. It didn't sound good even when I fed it Ampex 456 or Maxell tapes. I suffered for over a year, while my dad's ever trusty 680ZX easily gave the PR99 the shivers. Eventually I learnt about the problem when I bumped into the seller a year later in a hifi show. I went home, re-calibrated the tape for my new Maxell UDXLs and life has never been the same again for the 680ZX. The physics of 1/4 in. tape travelling at 8 times the speed of cassette definitely has to sound better. My Dragon is definitely not up to spec. When recording, there is quite a difference between record and playback. So I'd suppose much has to be done to bring it up to performance. However, even though that would narrow the gap, it would still put the 680ZX up I suppose. Many of my dad's friends who had the chance of playing and servicing Naks back in those days also say that the Dragon could still be challanged by a few Naks, like the CR7, ZX9, ZX7, the 680ZX and the ZXL series. " Ken replies: Hello Bela, First off, I think Kannan was talking about me. The Teac reel to reel in question is the Teac x2000r running at 7.5 ips not 15 ips. My Tascam TSR 8 runs at 15 ips, but I have never compared it to the dragon. I do know I can record some extreme dynamics with the Tascam with DBX pro that I doubt the Dragon could handle. But anyway, back to the Teac. I set up the Teac myself using my Tektronics scope, function generator, AC meter, and the service manual. I also replaced all of the aging electrolytics on the preamp board. I set it up for Quantergy 407 tape. The deck exceeds spec or just reaches it. A nice reel to reel that can make spectacular recordings. Now comparing it to the Dragon. I think the Teac does better capturing transients from live sources, like explosive close miked drums. But the Dragon is no slouch either. On the bench, I liked the stability of the x/y azimuth adjustment of the Dragon over the Teac. That is one stable transport in the Dragon. But there is no substitute for tape size and speed, so in some areas the Teac is better. But overall, for just recording vinyl or SACD's, the dragon is as good if not better than the Teac. The way you can adjust the Dragon for level, bias, and azimuth just puts it over the top. Now the Teac has been set up, but we all know temperature changes these settings. And each reel of tape has some differences. There is no way to adjust the Teac on the fly like you can the Dragon, so the Dragon is just a spectacular performing recording machine. And it is a lot easier to carry to a gig, so I do take him out and feed him live music sometimes. I just wish Nak had made a reel to reel! Now that might have been something to give a Studer a run for the money! BTW, how do you like that PR99? I have had my eye on those. I was not too impressed with the build quality on the inside of my Teac X2000r. What a mess of wires! The PR99 looks like a wonderful machine for 2 track. Kannan serviced and aligned my Dragon. He did a wonderful job. The recordings from vinyl or SACD are so very close to the source you can not tell which is live or is it TDK! If you can hear a difference, then something is not right with your Dragon. Fist thing would be to give it a good scrubbing with pro head cleaner like American Recorder S-721H. http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html If that does not fix him up, then it is off for service. These Dragons rock! I don't know if it can beat the PR 99 with live music, but recording form vinyl, or digital ( gasp) the dragon is all anyone needs. And it is so handy to use cassette instead of reels. Ken From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 16:54:31 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:54:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100643.01e3cdf0@psulias.psu.edu> References: <000b01c598f2$43920dc0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <002801c59949$267cc2a0$26a187d9@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100643.01e3cdf0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b105080807547b2b8e52@mail.gmail.com> Wouter, I've scanned this review and Murli from the list was kind enough to paste the three PDF files (one per page - I am not very good at scanning, compressing, etc.) and also reduce the size of the new file to something quite reasonable (around 5-600KB I think). Would it be appropriate to upload this somewhere on Naks.com or would someone else like to put it somewhere accessible for everyone on the list ? George From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 8 17:19:58 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:19:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a101c59c2c$a356dc80$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Uh oh ... not the cable debate again !!! This is a can of worms about which there is little consensus!! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ornette Wilson Sent: 08 August 2005 13:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools Hmm, I always reckoned those prohibitarily expensive interconnect cables were more likely than not probably just the 'magic beans' of the hi-fi industry...! I once spent a few quid on some cables from Richer Sounds back in the day, at a £10 a pop (for a 1 metre lead). I'd say I'd be pretty sure that they were a worthwhile upgrade from the basic flimsy black interconnects you'd get for free with a bit of kit. But could those £50, £60, £70+ interconnects really be that much different!!?! P.S. What's this Nakamichi T-100 thing you mentioned? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <...SNIP...> From: Scott Johnson Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a few hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before ... ...This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing (no I could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no matter how hard I tried).... ...Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will not go back to the old way. It took way too much time. SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:56:48 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:56:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100220.03be5b38@psulias.psu.edu> References: <002201c592f0$d30f5190$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100220.03be5b38@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b1050808085627be1134@mail.gmail.com> Yes, but then it's usually always the same parts that break, so it's not that easy to find a Nak for parts which has the parts that you need still intact or at least in good condition..... On 8/8/05, Derrick Beckner wrote: > There are tons of Nak machines out there to scavenge for parts and I'm sure > a lot of the parts from the cheaper Naks will fit on the ZX9. > > > > > The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth > correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read > and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to > the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The > question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and > servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a > very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may > also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their > stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! > > Gra' > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From j.doupe at btinternet.com Mon Aug 8 19:38:00 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:38:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 References: <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002a01c59c3f$eca7cda0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Gra, Yes I'm still up for the listening test, and looking forward to it. I just tgot back from a break in wales on Saturday, so just getting over it, as it was a sort of working holiday. I have a friend John, who may be interested in coming along if I asked him, as he has over the years assisted me build up my hi-fi set up, so before I ask him along, would you object yourself to him coming along, if he can. Glad to hear you may be keeping the Arcam, I'm a bit of a tape die hard, and when I heard on the NAK forum that you said you were thinking of selling it, my heart dropped a bit, as I didn't think I was ever going to hear one. I remember seeing one in a hifi shop in Liverpool a few years ago, but never got to listen to it. I'm hoping to get my NAD 6300 serviced and sorted out, so maybe we can have a 4 deck line up, this could be an interesting day. Will be in touch in due course. Kind regards Jonathan Doupe ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Mon Aug 8 22:21:02 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: <42F76265.6050500@sbcglobal.net> from "Ken Kirkpatrick" at Aug 08, 2005 08:47:17 AM Message-ID: <20050808202102.EA5F616059@smtp.amb.org> Ken Kirkpatrick writes: > ... > Those are some nice...really nice drive motors in the Dragon. They look > like coreless. Are they? The capstan motors in the Dragon are each "super linear torque" brushless, slotless and coreless non-cogging direct drive motors with very low wow and flutter. > Does the CR7 have the same transport motors as the Dragon?? The CR-7 also has dual capstans, but there is only one brushless, slotless and coreless direct drive motor acting on one capstan. The second capstan is belt-driven from the first. It is not the "same" motor as that on the Dragon. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From j.doupe at btinternet.com Mon Aug 8 19:48:44 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:48:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World References: <000b01c598f2$43920dc0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06><002801c59949$267cc2a0$26a187d9@oemcomputer><6.1.2.0.2.20050808100643.01e3cdf0@psulias.psu.edu> <518b7b105080807547b2b8e52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009301c59c41$717f42a0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi George, which months issue of Hi-Fi world was the NAK CR7e review in Thanks Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World > Wouter, > > I've scanned this review and Murli from the list was kind enough to > paste the three PDF files (one per page - I am not very good at > scanning, compressing, etc.) and also reduce the size of the new file > to something quite reasonable (around 5-600KB I think). Would it be > appropriate to upload this somewhere on Naks.com or would someone else > like to put it somewhere accessible for everyone on the list ? > > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Mon Aug 8 21:14:55 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:14:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: cheap Naks (was BX100) In-Reply-To: <200508080713.j787DEE1006116@zxe.naks.com> References: <200508080713.j787DEE1006116@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: On the subject of budget Naks, I suggest a venerable 482 or an LX3, both of which can be had on US ebay for well under $100. The 482 especially is the "diesel Mercedes" of tape decks: great, solid, conservative performance that lasts absolutely forever. The LX3 is a better sounding deck, I think, but maybe not quite as strongly built as a 482. Any good electronics technician should be able to service a good example of either of these decks to reasonable condition for about $75. So for $100-$150 you'd have a very good sounding, very reliable, stylish (at least the LX3) tape deck that would surpass almost anything you can buy new, and most two-head decks on the used market too. We just can't all be as lucky as Alex! From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 20:31:06 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050808183106.50313.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Regarding the T-100, go to my Nak Model list web page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html and go down to T-100. There are several links there that should help you learn about the T-100. Regarding cables, I could not hear the difference. There are others on the list that claim they can hear a noticeable improvement with more expensive cables. SJ --- Ornette Wilson wrote: > Hmm, I always reckoned those prohibitarily expensive interconnect > cables > were more likely than not probably just the 'magic beans' of the > hi-fi industry...! > > I once spent a few quid on some cables from Richer Sounds back in > the day, at a £10 a pop (for a 1 metre lead). I'd say I'd be > pretty sure that they were a worthwhile upgrade from the basic > flimsy black interconnects you'd get for free with a bit of kit. > > But could those £50, £60, £70+ interconnects really be that much > different!!?! > > P.S. What's this Nakamichi T-100 thing you mentioned? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > <...SNIP...> > > From: Scott Johnson > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration > tabes nor tools > > The first time I calibrated a deck I used my ears. I spent a > few > hours tuning up my BX-300 the day before ... > > ...This was when I was much younger and had very good hearing > (no I > could not tell the difference between interconnect cables no > matter > how hard I tried).... > > ...Now I use a Nakamichi T-100 with Nak cal tapes. I will > not go back > to the old way. It took way too much time. > > SJ > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 20:48:32 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <007001c59c00$1f7c4ca0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050808184832.25041.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Personally I don't think the BX-2 is worth anything close to 100-140 british pounds (about $178-250 US Dollars). For that kind of money you can get a good 3-head deck off ebay that already has the gear idler for example the CR-3, CR-4, DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1 & 1.5 all have 3-head and the gear idler from the factory. Other decks would be the BX-300, MR-1, CR-5, CR-7 which may or may not have the gear idler in them. Really the inferior rubber tire idler in the BX-series, MR-series, RX-202, CR-5 and CR-7 aren't that bad. You just need to replace the tire every few years with another $0.80 tire. It's not that hard and Electronic Service Labs has a DIY on how to replace it. Hi Jeff G., I know you're out there listening. http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Including the gear upgrade? That's a good price, Shaun - very > good. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: 08 August 2005 09:16 > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > > > > Greetings Alex on a fine sunny morning(at last!). > > > > B & W have told me that it will cost.... Well, the copy email > follows.. > > > > "Hi Shaun > > Yes, no problem with this. These are usual faults with the BX-2 > > and we can > > restore the deck to its former glory. A full service on this > model is > > usually anything between £100 and £140, depending on exactly > > which parts are > > needed. > > Regards > > Paul Wilkins" > > > > That price includes the gear upgrade which they do automatically > > unless you > > specify otherwise. > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 8 22:27:50 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:27:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <518b7b1050808085627be1134@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010901c59c57$a5686fe0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Good point ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: 08 August 2005 16:57 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 > > > Yes, but then it's usually always the same parts that break, so it's > not that easy to find a Nak for parts which has the parts that you > need still intact or at least in good condition..... > > On 8/8/05, Derrick Beckner wrote: > > There are tons of Nak machines out there to scavenge for parts > and I'm sure > > a lot of the parts from the cheaper Naks will fit on the ZX9. > > > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 8 22:27:51 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:27:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 In-Reply-To: <002a01c59c3f$eca7cda0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <010a01c59c57$a64bcb00$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Hi Jonathan Excellent, bring him along! Perhaps we could set him a blind test, using the headphones, too? See if he can tell one machine from another and each machine from the source?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 08 August 2005 18:38 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Hi Gra, Yes I'm still up for the listening test, and looking forward to it. I just tgot back from a break in wales on Saturday, so just getting over it, as it was a sort of working holiday. I have a friend John, who may be interested in coming along if I asked him, as he has over the years assisted me build up my hi-fi set up, so before I ask him along, would you object yourself to him coming along, if he can. Glad to hear you may be keeping the Arcam, I'm a bit of a tape die hard, and when I heard on the NAK forum that you said you were thinking of selling it, my heart dropped a bit, as I didn't think I was ever going to hear one. I remember seeing one in a hifi shop in Liverpool a few years ago, but never got to listen to it. I'm hoping to get my NAD 6300 serviced and sorted out, so maybe we can have a 4 deck line up, this could be an interesting day. Will be in touch in due course. Kind regards Jonathan Doupe ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 8 22:28:00 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:28:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011101c59c57$ab8783c0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Here's a nice model ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5796978815&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1 Gra' > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Aug 8 22:35:41 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:35:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: <20050808202102.EA5F616059@smtp.amb.org> References: <42F76265.6050500@sbcglobal.net> <20050808202102.EA5F616059@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050808162652.01c81e20@psulias.psu.edu> Dragon is quite a piece of work. I was recording Neil Young's Greendale DVD to TDK MA tape this weekend, and damn if I could tell the difference between the source and tape except when it was dead quiet and the slightest bit of tape hiss could be heard. I stretched her out to the +8 range and no problems at all. I found that I need to crank up the bias a little to get the desired results (going back to the CR-5 vs Dragon thread) in the high end. About to the +6 db calibration range. There has been a big thread on the Klipsch board about recording and CD-Rs and that sort of thing, and some poor guy got trashed for deciding to use his RX-202 rather than to get CD-R ripping software. I came to his aid though, and told these guys that I used to be a non-beliver in tape technology as well, but only before hearing the best that was out there. Plus it's a lot more fun, IMO, tinkering with stuff than just ripping and burning. WHat's the challenge in that? :) At 04:21 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: >Ken Kirkpatrick writes: > > ... > > Those are some nice...really nice drive motors in the Dragon. They look > > like coreless. Are they? > >The capstan motors in the Dragon are each "super linear torque" brushless, >slotless and coreless non-cogging direct drive motors with very low >wow and flutter. > > > Does the CR7 have the same transport motors as the Dragon?? > >The CR-7 also has dual capstans, but there is only one brushless, slotless >and coreless direct drive motor acting on one capstan. The second capstan >is belt-driven from the first. It is not the "same" motor as that on >the Dragon. > >-Ti >-- >Ti Kan >http://www.amb.org/ti >Vorsprung durch Technik > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:54:42 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:54:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: <009301c59c41$717f42a0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> References: <000b01c598f2$43920dc0$b4d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <002801c59949$267cc2a0$26a187d9@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.2.20050808100643.01e3cdf0@psulias.psu.edu> <518b7b105080807547b2b8e52@mail.gmail.com> <009301c59c41$717f42a0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <518b7b1050808135449541791@mail.gmail.com> August 2005 On 8/8/05, Jonathan Doupe wrote: > Hi George, which months issue of Hi-Fi world was the NAK CR7e review in > > Thanks > > Jonathan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "george valkov" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 review in Hi-Fi World > > > > Wouter, > > > > I've scanned this review and Murli from the list was kind enough to > > paste the three PDF files (one per page - I am not very good at > > scanning, compressing, etc.) and also reduce the size of the new file > > to something quite reasonable (around 5-600KB I think). Would it be > > appropriate to upload this somewhere on Naks.com or would someone else > > like to put it somewhere accessible for everyone on the list ? > > > > George > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 23:04:44 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:04:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: cheap Naks (was BX100) Message-ID: Hi Fred! You wrote! >We just can't all be as lucky as Alex! Sadly is true!!!! However...miracles happen! Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: cheap Naks (was BX100) >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:14:55 -0700 > >On the subject of budget Naks, I suggest a venerable 482 or an LX3, both >of which can be had on US ebay for well under $100. The 482 especially is >the "diesel Mercedes" of tape decks: great, solid, conservative >performance that lasts absolutely forever. The LX3 is a better sounding >deck, I think, but maybe not quite as strongly built as a 482. Any good >electronics technician should be able to service a good example of either >of these decks to reasonable condition for about $75. So for $100-$150 >you'd have a very good sounding, very reliable, stylish (at least the LX3) >tape deck that would surpass almost anything you can buy new, and most >two-head decks on the used market too. > >We just can't all be as lucky as Alex! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 8 23:06:20 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:06:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: <011101c59c57$ab8783c0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c59c5d$08128450$7300a8c0@Shaun> Anybody have any comments on the following? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-TD-1200-II-Dragon-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0 QQitemZ5795676778QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Shaun From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Aug 9 00:52:22 2005 From: jeff at eslabs.com (Jeff Galin (Electronics Service Labs)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:52:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 References: <20050808184832.25041.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d201c59c6b$d96d9b80$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Scott. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 Personally I don't think the BX-2 is worth anything close to 100-140 british pounds (about $178-250 US Dollars). For that kind of money you can get a good 3-head deck off ebay that already has the gear idler for example the CR-3, CR-4, DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1 & 1.5 all have 3-head and the gear idler from the factory. Other decks would be the BX-300, MR-1, CR-5, CR-7 which may or may not have the gear idler in them. Really the inferior rubber tire idler in the BX-series, MR-series, RX-202, CR-5 and CR-7 aren't that bad. You just need to replace the tire every few years with another $0.80 tire. It's not that hard and Electronic Service Labs has a DIY on how to replace it. Hi Jeff G., I know you're out there listening. http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Including the gear upgrade? That's a good price, Shaun - very > good. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: 08 August 2005 09:16 > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > > > > Greetings Alex on a fine sunny morning(at last!). > > > > B & W have told me that it will cost.... Well, the copy email > follows.. > > > > "Hi Shaun > > Yes, no problem with this. These are usual faults with the BX-2 > > and we can > > restore the deck to its former glory. A full service on this > model is > > usually anything between £100 and £140, depending on exactly > > which parts are > > needed. > > Regards > > Paul Wilkins" > > > > That price includes the gear upgrade which they do automatically > > unless you > > specify otherwise. > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 23:18:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:18:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) Message-ID: Hi to all of you! I 100% agreed, recording a CD to my lovely Dragon...give me much better "Analogue" sound that listen the disc directly from my Cd player...I use a "tube/Valve' based equipment...however...my Philips CD-850 Mk-2 player 100% is "Inferior sounding"...that my lovely Dragon. So..when I really love a Cd disc...I copied trough my Dragon...today using what I can obtain here in Israel...The Fuji "Z"-2 Chrome type. The result is superbly!!!! Regards, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:35:41 -0400 > >Dragon is quite a piece of work. I was recording Neil Young's Greendale >DVD to TDK MA tape this weekend, and damn if I could tell the difference >between the source and tape except when it was dead quiet and the slightest >bit of tape hiss could be heard. I stretched her out to the +8 range and >no problems at all. > >I found that I need to crank up the bias a little to get the desired >results (going back to the CR-5 vs Dragon thread) in the high end. About >to the +6 db calibration range. > >There has been a big thread on the Klipsch board about recording and CD-Rs >and that sort of thing, and some poor guy got trashed for deciding to use >his RX-202 rather than to get CD-R ripping software. I came to his aid >though, and told these guys that I used to be a non-beliver in tape >technology as well, but only before hearing the best that was out there. > >Plus it's a lot more fun, IMO, tinkering with stuff than just ripping and >burning. WHat's the challenge in that? :) > >At 04:21 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: >>Ken Kirkpatrick writes: >> > ... >> > Those are some nice...really nice drive motors in the Dragon. They look >> > like coreless. Are they? >> >>The capstan motors in the Dragon are each "super linear torque" brushless, >>slotless and coreless non-cogging direct drive motors with very low >>wow and flutter. >> >> > Does the CR7 have the same transport motors as the Dragon?? >> >>The CR-7 also has dual capstans, but there is only one brushless, slotless >>and coreless direct drive motor acting on one capstan. The second capstan >>is belt-driven from the first. It is not the "same" motor as that on >>the Dragon. >> >>-Ti >>-- >>Ti Kan >>http://www.amb.org/ti >>Vorsprung durch Technik >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 23:26:28 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:26:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) Message-ID: Hi Gra' You noticed..."Buy Now"...the price "Jump...100 GP more...that's one think...the second one the vendor is from Holland...WHY...ask in GP...& NOT in Euro? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:28:00 +0100 > > >Here's a nice model ... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5796978815&ssPageName=ADM >E:B:SS:US:1 > >Gra' > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------=== From vikingdude at mailcan.com Mon Aug 8 23:57:18 2005 From: vikingdude at mailcan.com (vikingdude at mailcan.com) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:57:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <20050808065606.71809.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050808065606.71809.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1123538238.7523.240247327@webmail.messagingengine.com> Good point, I was planning on exercising it once in a while. Do you recommend just using playback for this or should I also record? On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:56:06 -0700 (PDT), "Bala Ganesh Chandra" said: > Well no. As our friends have said, a deck can be had for this budget. But > think carefully because at this price range, the condition and calibre of > the machine is also bound to suffer. It would be wiser to loosen the > budget strings a little bit. For slightly more, you could have a better > machine. > > What worries me more is your next remark - 'since I'm rarely going to be > usinge it.' > In my opinion, a cassette deck is best maintained by turning it on at > least once a week. I make it a point to turn on all my decks once a week > and play a full side of a 46 min (that makes it 23 mins). Neglect it for > a while and you are in for a clean and lube minimum. > > Bala > > Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Mr. vikingdude at mailcan.com > > Sorry, for your budget...forget...for ever...any reliable & fully working > Nak deck! You are wasting your and our time!!! > > Try something else! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: vikingdude at mailcan.com > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > >Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700 > > > >I'd like to keep it around 100$, since I'm rarely going to be usinge it. > > > >On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:00:49 -0400, "roland" said: > > > I've owned a BX-300 in the 80's and I thought it was one heck of a deck. > > > I > > > sometimes see these going for $150 or less on eBay. Just thought I'd > > > through my opinion into the mix. > > > > > > Good luck!! > > > > > > What kind of budget are you able to work? > > > > > > > > > At 12:18 AM 8/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I want to get a good used Nak. I'm on a budget though. Would the BX-100 > > > >be a good choice? > > > >Is it generally hard to find parts for these things if something is > > > >wrong (I'm in the U.S.)? > > > >-- > > > > > > > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > > > > > >-- > > > >http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >-- > > > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > > >-- > >http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -- vikingdude at mailcan.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 01:27:15 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: <000801c59c5d$08128450$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20050808232716.67311.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah. I have a comment. Great deck if you have the room. It was designed to be a Dragon for the car. It uses the same four track head with slit core for doing the NAAC. It uses a similar dual direct drive capstan motors (although redone in a thin pancake motor arrangement for obvious reasons). In addition to having a great tape section the tuner was also first rate. Totally blows away the tuners in the TD-500/700 which were total garbage. Now for the down side. This deck comes in two pieces. The dash mounted half and the other half that contains the tuner and dolby decoders (which I don't see in the auction). The TD-1200 also requires a 5-digit security code that must be entered using the radio preset buttons. Without it the deck will not work. The seller is right in calling it a parts unit. A lot of times if a unit is only there for looks they use bad, but cosmetically good parts. Also parts inside that are not visible may not be there. SJ --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Anybody have any comments on the following? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-TD-1200-II-Dragon-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0 > QQitemZ5795676778QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 9 01:49:09 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:49:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 In-Reply-To: <01d201c59c6b$d96d9b80$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <012501c59c73$c4fcc880$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Jeff, you lurker, you!! Good to hear from you again .... You remind me of zee character in Rowan & Martin's Laugh-in who used to lurk behind zee plants, peer thru them and say, "Hmmm ... very interesting ... but stoopid!" Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jeff Galin (Electronics Service Labs) > Sent: 08 August 2005 23:52 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-100 > > > Hi Scott. > > Jeff > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 09:23:16 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809072317.36151.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In Singapore, most people have given up on servicing Naks. So the closest is Australia, if not UK or USA. Regards Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > My dear Bala! > > Could be that you recently acquired Dragon...was > maltreated...so > badly...that you "WILL NEED"...to send to B&W in > UK...to be restore olmost > as an a new one...or maybe in Singapore...can be do > it!? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without > calibration tabes nor tools > >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:03:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Having been involved in complexities like complete > head block change, I am > >sure you know how important setting up a machine > for a tape is. The Teac > >r2r running at 15ips is a very different beast from > the Dragon. Having done > >similiar work on over 15 machines ( Teac/TASCAMS, > Revoxs, Akai, Ampex..) I > >have to caution about one thing. How well was the > machine setup for the > >particular tape? My first ever reel deck, a Revox > PR99 was sold to me > >without the guy telling me he set it up for EMTEC > tape. It didn't sound > >good even when I fed it Ampex 456 or Maxell tapes. > I suffered for over a > >year, while my dad's ever trusty 680ZX easily gave > the PR99 the shivers. > >Eventually I learnt about the problem when I bumped > into the seller a year > >later in a hifi show. I went home, re-calibrated > the tape for my new Maxell > >UDXLs and life has never been the same again for > the 680ZX. The physics of > >1/4 in. tape travelling at 8 times the speed of > cassette definitely has to > >sound better. > > > >My Dragon is definitely not up to spec. When > recording, there is quite a > >difference between record and playback. So I'd > suppose much has to be done > >to bring it up to performance. However, even though > that would narrow the > >gap, it would still put the 680ZX up I suppose. > Many of my dad's friends > >who had the chance of playing and servicing Naks > back in those days also > >say that the Dragon could still be challanged by a > few Naks, like the CR7, > >ZX9, ZX7, the 680ZX and the ZXL series. > > > >Bala > > > >kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > >Having seen many naks - and calibrated many of them > like 4 Dragons ( 2 > >machines undertaken complex repair including > Dragon' complete play head > >change) / 3 670ZX / 3 Rx 505 / 5 ZX series Decks > more than dozen CR series > >decks / another dozen BX series - atleast 6 BX300 I > have found two Naks of > >same model do not sound same! Most of the time the > reason is as Scot stated > >here. the reason why Bala feels his 682 sounds > better than a Dragon is due > >to the same. > >My best sounding Dragon is with another naktalker > here and he uses it to > >record live performances. He had found it does the > job better than his TEAC > >15 IPS Spool. > >I am not surprised! > >kannan > > > >Scott Johnson wrote: > > >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated > >Because things change. Capacitor and resistor > values change over > >time, tape formulations change, heads wear and > their characteristics > >change. That's why the pots need to be periodically > calibrated. > > > >The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated > unless they are played > >with. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Shalom my dear Scott! > > > > > > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you do > not 100% > > > comprehend my > > > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and > all the other that > > > you > > > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many > Normal; Chrome, & > > > Metal type > > > cassettes...when others machines are > "Internally" calibrated for > > > ONE brand > > > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for > that Dragon model can> be > >widely > > > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > > > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of > our lovely brand > > > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the > heads calibration > > > heads WITH > > > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY > calibrated???, > > > that was > > > really my dear Scott my point. > > > > > > Scott you wrote me! > > > > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be > opened for these > > > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has > probably been > > > calibrated > > > >far more times than any other deck. > > > > > > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by > me, as my mother > > > language is > > > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each > new cassette that I > > > intend to > > > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning > to record....for > > > listen it > > > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type > cassettes. > > > Surely...NO technicia! n open my machine...till > today since 1984 > > > "FACTORY > > > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > > > > > I really hope that now I made myself > apprehended...No? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without > calibration tabes > > > nor tools > > > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >Your Dragon has front panel, left and right, > adjustable level and > > > >bias for all three tape types. The only decks > Nakamichi made with > > > >all these front panel adjustments is the > Dragon, ZX-7, ZX-9, 680 > > > >series and 58x series decks. All other decks > have an array of > > > pots > > > >that are only accessible by taking off the > cover. There are a few > > > >other models, such as the 660ZX and 670ZX that > have just the level > > > >pots. Not the bias ones. > > > > > > > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be > opened === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Aug 9 12:40:59 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:40:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DVD-TDK MA AND CD-R fans: Derrick Message-ID: Hi Derrick, When you recorded that Neil Young DVD onto MA at /up to 8dB, did you use Dolby B/C? Thats sounds impressive in any case, so great job. About the poor guy who got it in the neck on the Klipsch site - well - that's typical of the general folk out there - if it's digital (or, alternantively ...newer!!) , it must be better and that if there's no noise, then what's left must be perfect. They think they are new kind of normal - actually they are the new kind of flat earther. Take WorldSat Radio for instance. AM radio without the white noise is how it sounds. Listen to the average pop station. Note how compressed and smudged the music sounds and how crisp the ads are. The ads are usually 16 bit or on mini-disc from the agency but the music is MP3'd onto hardisc and that comprises the entire paltry 200 song playlist. Many, probably most of those guys with a knee jerk reaction to the concept of cassette recording have never had or even heard a half-decent deck in their lives - I assure you - your erstwhile Yamaha KX-690 would have amazed them, never mind a freshly tuned Nak. Not that they'd admit it necessarily. And you're right - much more fun!!! Cheers - Marc From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:35:41 -0400 > >Dragon is quite a piece of work. I was recording Neil Young's Greendale >DVD to TDK MA tape this weekend, and damn if I could tell the difference >between the source and tape except when it was dead quiet and the slightest >bit of tape hiss could be heard. I stretched her out to the +8 range and >no problems at all. > >I found that I need to crank up the bias a little to get the desired >results (going back to the CR-5 vs Dragon thread) in the high end. About >to the +6 db calibration range. > >There has been a big thread on the Klipsch board about recording and CD-Rs >and that sort of thing, and some poor guy got trashed for deciding to use >his RX-202 rather than to get CD-R ripping software. I came to his aid >though, and told these guys that I used to be a non-beliver in tape >technology as well, but only before hearing the best that was out there. > >Plus it's a lot more fun, IMO, tinkering with stuff than just ripping and >burning. WHat's the challenge in that? :) > >At 04:21 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: >>Ken Kirkpatrick writes: >> > ... >> > Those are some nice...really nice drive motors in the Dragon. They look >> > like coreless. Are they? >> >>The capstan motors in the Dragon are each "super linear torque" brushless, >>slotless and coreless non-cogging direct drive motors with very low >>wow and flutter. >> >> > Does the CR7 have the same transport motors as the Dragon?? >> >>The CR-7 also has dual capstans, but there is only one brushless, slotless >>and coreless direct drive motor acting on one capstan. The second capstan >>is belt-driven from the first. It is not the "same" motor as that on >>the Dragon. >> >>-Ti >>-- The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Aug 9 12:52:46 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:52:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: <20050809072317.36151.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050809072317.36151.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala You refer to servicing Naks in Australia. Do you (or anyone) know who does it in Australia, preferably Queensland? David On 09/08/2005, at 5:23 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > In Singapore, most people have given up on servicing > Naks. So the closest is Australia, if not UK or USA. From j.doupe at btinternet.com Tue Aug 9 13:06:01 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:06:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 References: <010a01c59c57$a64bcb00$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003001c59cd2$54825520$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> HI Gra, Thanks for that, I'll ask him when I see him next, not too sure what phones your using, but I may bring along my Senheiser HD600's and my Beyer DT150 closed studio monitors for a really interesting listening test. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Hi Jonathan Excellent, bring him along! Perhaps we could set him a blind test, using the headphones, too? See if he can tell one machine from another and each machine from the source?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 08 August 2005 18:38 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Hi Gra, Yes I'm still up for the listening test, and looking forward to it. I just tgot back from a break in wales on Saturday, so just getting over it, as it was a sort of working holiday. I have a friend John, who may be interested in coming along if I asked him, as he has over the years assisted me build up my hi-fi set up, so before I ask him along, would you object yourself to him coming along, if he can. Glad to hear you may be keeping the Arcam, I'm a bit of a tape die hard, and when I heard on the NAK forum that you said you were thinking of selling it, my heart dropped a bit, as I didn't think I was ever going to hear one. I remember seeing one in a hifi shop in Liverpool a few years ago, but never got to listen to it. I'm hoping to get my NAD 6300 serviced and sorted out, so maybe we can have a 4 deck line up, this could be an interesting day. Will be in touch in due course. Kind regards Jonathan Doupe ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. 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URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Aug 9 13:17:08 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:17:08 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Settings problem Message-ID: <1FD3855C-08C7-11DA-9A33-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> I have recently replaced orange caps on a Nak 582. Now I cannot get adequate adjustment on either Rec or Bias settings, either type 1 or 2 tapes. The needles hardly move for the Rec settings. Before the upgrade it wasn't so great, now it is much worse. Can anyone assist please? David From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 9 13:29:10 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:29:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: <20050808232716.67311.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c59cd5$910fb520$7300a8c0@Shaun> Ah well, that's another dream dashed. I guess I will have to stick with my Sony dashboard unit (non Dolby though). Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 09 August 2005 00:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] (Still after a Nak) Yeah. I have a comment. Great deck if you have the room. It was designed to be a Dragon for the car. It uses the same four track head with slit core for doing the NAAC. It uses a similar dual direct drive capstan motors (although redone in a thin pancake motor arrangement for obvious reasons). In addition to having a great tape section the tuner was also first rate. Totally blows away the tuners in the TD-500/700 which were total garbage. Now for the down side. This deck comes in two pieces. The dash mounted half and the other half that contains the tuner and dolby decoders (which I don't see in the auction). The TD-1200 also requires a 5-digit security code that must be entered using the radio preset buttons. Without it the deck will not work. The seller is right in calling it a parts unit. A lot of times if a unit is only there for looks they use bad, but cosmetically good parts. Also parts inside that are not visible may not be there. SJ --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Anybody have any comments on the following? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-TD-1200-II-Dragon-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0 > QQitemZ5795676778QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 9 15:47:44 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:47:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) Message-ID: <42F8B400.4010608@sbcglobal.net> Derrick says: "Dragon is quite a piece of work. I was recording Neil Young's Greendale DVD to TDK MA tape this weekend, and damn if I could tell the difference between the source and tape except when it was dead quiet and the slightest bit of tape hiss could be heard. I stretched her out to the +8 range and no problems at all." Ken replies: Oh I agree, it is very hard to tell the difference when recording from digital. To really stretch the Dragons wings you need to cue up a direct to disk lp or a master tape. The Dragon can cruise right through the limitations of the consumer digital formats. Sacd's can push the dragon a bit though. But to truly test the dragon or any high end analog recorder, you need to use live mic feeds or other high end analog sources. Then you can start to hear the limitations of the tape compression. It is that smooth liquid sound of the best analog that the Dragon can capture but is very hard to get back with digital recorders. BTW, the new Neil Young Greatest Hits issued by Classic Records on vinyl from the master tapes is spectacular. I read Neil was very picky with the sound of the vinyl issue. He is a big analog fan. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Aug 9 16:19:55 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:19:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVD-TDK MA AND CD-R fans: Derrick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050809100339.01b28f28@psulias.psu.edu> Hi Mark. I used Dolby C. It only hit +8 for an instant at a time, the range of level was all over the place as the recording was very, very well done. Wide dynamic range. (all close mic'ed acoustic guitar, vocal, harmonica, a little organ). But there was no distortion. I've really had no problem with distortion at the +7-8 range on either the Dragon or CR-5 when using metal or XLIIS tape. Many pre recorded Type I tapes are recorded up to the +6 range when Dolbied + HX pro on crappy dubbing decks, so I figure a Nak with good tape can take more. I can't even listen to the radio anymore, much less streamed internet broadcasts. Like fingernails on chalk. Horrible. Of course burning a CD-R will sound better than most tape decks any casual music fan has used, but these guys have $5000 turntables, tube amps, and in general are indifferent (if not hostile) to digital playback. So for them to be bashing a highly refined piece of analog machinery was just ridiculous, although the biggest loud mouth was some 22 year old med student who probably never head a decent tape in his life. A lot of these guys still have reel to reel decks too. MP3 is crap. Cannot listen to it. Call me a snob, but all that "pixelation" crap in the high end just drives me insane. The KX-690 has passed on to another owner, the capistan belt just came off again and I didn't have the heart to tear it apart again, and I just spend around $100 getting the CR-5 the gear upgrade and cleaned and aligned. So some lucky soul got it for $40+shipping. It made terrific recordings. At 06:40 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: >Hi Derrick, > >When you recorded that Neil Young DVD onto MA at /up to 8dB, did you use >Dolby B/C? Thats sounds impressive in any case, so great job. > >About the poor guy who got it in the neck on the Klipsch site - well - >that's typical of the general folk out there - if it's digital (or, >alternantively ...newer!!) , it must be better and that if there's no >noise, then what's left must be perfect. They think they are new kind of >normal - actually they are the new kind of flat earther. Take WorldSat >Radio for instance. AM radio without the white noise is how it >sounds. Listen to the average pop station. Note how compressed and >smudged the music sounds and how crisp the ads are. The ads are usually >16 bit or on mini-disc from the agency but the music is MP3'd onto hardisc >and that comprises the entire paltry 200 song playlist. > >Many, probably most of those guys with a knee jerk reaction to the concept >of cassette recording have never had or even heard a half-decent deck in >their lives - I assure you - your erstwhile Yamaha KX-690 would have >amazed them, never mind a freshly tuned Nak. Not that they'd admit it >necessarily. > >And you're right - much more fun!!! > >Cheers - Marc > > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the >use of the named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any >action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please >email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it >and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any >loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Aug 9 16:38:26 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:38:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) In-Reply-To: <42F8B400.4010608@sbcglobal.net> References: <42F8B400.4010608@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050809103348.01b090e8@psulias.psu.edu> I'm definately going to have to pick up the Greatest Hits LP, I've heard great things about it, even though I already have every song on it in at least two formats. :) Of course I bought the remastered "Decade" about one week before this one was announced. Figures. Neil is very particular about his recordings and has a lot of material out in HDCD and DVD-A. No SACDs that I know of though. I know technically a copy can never be "better" than the original, but the Naks certainly add a fullness and warmth to the midrange that is not quite there on original digital material. >Ken replies: > >Oh I agree, it is very hard to tell the difference when recording from >digital. To really stretch the Dragons wings you need to cue up a direct >to disk lp or a master tape. The Dragon can cruise right through the >limitations of the consumer digital formats. Sacd's can push the dragon a >bit though. But to truly test the dragon or any high end analog recorder, >you need to use live mic feeds or other high end analog sources. Then you >can start to hear the limitations of the tape compression. It is that >smooth liquid sound of the best analog that the Dragon can capture but is >very hard to get back with digital recorders. > > >BTW, the new Neil Young Greatest Hits issued by Classic Records on vinyl >from the master tapes is spectacular. I read Neil was very picky with the >sound of the vinyl issue. He is a big analog fan. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From j.doupe at btinternet.com Tue Aug 9 16:41:46 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:41:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 References: <010a01c59c57$a64bcb00$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c59cf0$7814f290$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Gra, Just been to where he works and asked him if he'd like to come. He said he would, but before we get the date sorted out, I'm going to get my NAD sorted. All being well I'm going to take it into the shop this week, and hopefully they'll be able to get it going. I have faith in them, as they are good. chat soon. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Hi Jonathan Excellent, bring him along! Perhaps we could set him a blind test, using the headphones, too? See if he can tell one machine from another and each machine from the source?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 08 August 2005 18:38 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Hi Gra, Yes I'm still up for the listening test, and looking forward to it. I just tgot back from a break in wales on Saturday, so just getting over it, as it was a sort of working holiday. I have a friend John, who may be interested in coming along if I asked him, as he has over the years assisted me build up my hi-fi set up, so before I ask him along, would you object yourself to him coming along, if he can. Glad to hear you may be keeping the Arcam, I'm a bit of a tape die hard, and when I heard on the NAK forum that you said you were thinking of selling it, my heart dropped a bit, as I didn't think I was ever going to hear one. I remember seeing one in a hifi shop in Liverpool a few years ago, but never got to listen to it. I'm hoping to get my NAD 6300 serviced and sorted out, so maybe we can have a 4 deck line up, this could be an interesting day. Will be in touch in due course. Kind regards Jonathan Doupe ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. 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URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 9 17:22:36 2005 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:22:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) Message-ID: <42F8CA3C.9020409@sbcglobal.net> Derick says: "I'm definately going to have to pick up the Greatest Hits LP, I've heard great things about it, even though I already have every song on it in at least two formats. :) Of course I bought the remastered "Decade" about one week before this one was announced. Figures. Neil is very particular about his recordings and has a lot of material out in HDCD and DVD-A. No SACDs that I know of though. I know technically a copy can never be "better" than the original, but the Naks certainly add a fullness and warmth to the midrange that is not quite there on original digital material." Ken says: Here is a review of the Neil lp by Fremer. He was right on in my opinion. It is the best I have ever heard these all analog recordings. Big time dynamics. http://www.musicangle.com/album.php?id=325 I agree about how tape can take some edge off of digital. Tape just has a "sound" that is easy to listen to. But digital done right sounds killer all by itself. It is just dam hard to find killer digital recordings. But when you here one, it reminds me of great analog with no hiss. From ronald.aguiar at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 23:45:15 2005 From: ronald.aguiar at comcast.net (ronald.aguiar) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:45:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 660 ZX Message-ID: <000601c59d2b$a1571300$32a70818@bigbang> anyone know where I can get schematics?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 01:23:16 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809232316.8916.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, I do believe in an earlier post, somewhere last month, someone did mention couple of places in Australia and NZ. Let me look back and get back to you over the next few days. Bala --- David Thompson wrote: > Bala > > You refer to servicing Naks in Australia. Do you (or > anyone) know who > does it in Australia, preferably Queensland? > > David > > On 09/08/2005, at 5:23 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > > In Singapore, most people have given up on > servicing > > Naks. So the closest is Australia, if not UK or > USA. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 01:32:49 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Deck calibration without calibration tabes nor, tools In-Reply-To: <42F770B3.8030202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20050809233249.19500.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken, Oh the X2000R!! I have the X1000R both in black and silver versions, and they are my favourite. But the X2000R tops the list in terms of performance. The X1000R itself exceeds the performance of my 680ZX which is the best sounding Nak I have, till my 1000ZXL is fully working. But the X1000 isn't the best sounding reel deck I have. I still have an Ampex ATR 700, which, when set up right, is a giant killer. The PR99 is an absolute machine, which is sturdy, reliable and has few problems. I've carried it to a few venues for live recordings. Yes no doubt the Dragon and 10 TDK MA tapes are lighter. But back at home, listening to the way reel captures my work makes the extra kilos all worth it. The mike amps on the deck are also superb which obliviates the need for seperate mic preamps and mixers! Teac's build quality leaves plenty to desire for, but I've managed to re-route and tidy up some cables in my machines. Makes the sounder abit cleaner and removed much of the harshness in the treble. Catch up with you soon.. Bala --- Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Bela says: > > "Having been involved in complexities like complete > head block change, I > am sure you know how important setting up a machine > for a tape is. The > Teac r2r running at 15ips is a very different beast > from the Dragon. > Having done similar work on over 15 machines ( > Teac/TASCAMS, Revoxs, > Akai, Ampex..) I have to caution about one thing. > How well was the > machine setup for the particular tape? My first ever > reel deck, a Revox > PR99 was sold to me without the guy telling me he > set it up for EMTEC > tape. It didn't sound good even when I fed it Ampex > 456 or Maxell tapes. > I suffered for over a year, while my dad's ever > trusty 680ZX easily gave > the PR99 the shivers. Eventually I learnt about the > problem when I > bumped into the seller a year later in a hifi show. > I went home, > re-calibrated the tape for my new Maxell UDXLs and > life has never been > the same again for the 680ZX. The physics of 1/4 in. > tape travelling at > 8 times the speed of cassette definitely has to > sound better. > > My Dragon is definitely not up to spec. When > recording, there is quite a > difference between record and playback. So I'd > suppose much has to be > done to bring it up to performance. However, even > though that would > narrow the gap, it would still put the 680ZX up I > suppose. Many of my > dad's friends who had the chance of playing and > servicing Naks back in > those days also say that the Dragon could still be > challanged by a few > Naks, like the CR7, ZX9, ZX7, the 680ZX and the ZXL > series. " > > > > Ken replies: > > Hello Bela, > > First off, I think Kannan was talking about me. The > Teac reel to reel in > question is the Teac x2000r running at 7.5 ips not > 15 ips. My Tascam TSR > 8 runs at 15 ips, but I have never compared it to > the dragon. I do > know I can record some extreme dynamics with the > Tascam with DBX pro > that I doubt the Dragon could handle. But anyway, > back to the Teac. I > set up the Teac myself using my Tektronics scope, > function generator, AC > meter, and the service manual. I also replaced all > of the aging > electrolytics on the preamp board. I set it up for > Quantergy 407 tape. > The deck exceeds spec or just reaches it. A nice > reel to reel that can > make spectacular recordings. > > Now comparing it to the Dragon. I think the Teac > does better capturing > transients from live sources, like explosive close > miked drums. But the > Dragon is no slouch either. On the bench, I liked > the stability of the > x/y azimuth adjustment of the Dragon over the Teac. > That is one stable > transport in the Dragon. But there is no substitute > for tape size and > speed, so in some areas the Teac is better. But > overall, for just > recording vinyl or SACD's, the dragon is as good if > not better than the > Teac. The way you can adjust the Dragon for level, > bias, and azimuth > just puts it over the top. Now the Teac has been set > up, but we all know > temperature changes these settings. And each reel of > tape has some > differences. There is no way to adjust the Teac on > the fly like you can > the Dragon, so the Dragon is just a spectacular > performing recording > machine. And it is a lot easier to carry to a gig, > so I do take him out > and feed him live music sometimes. I just wish Nak > had made a reel to > reel! Now that might have been something to give a > Studer a run for the > money! > > BTW, how do you like that PR99? I have had my eye on > those. I was not > too impressed with the build quality on the inside > of my Teac X2000r. > What a mess of wires! The PR99 looks like a > wonderful machine for 2 track. > > Kannan serviced and aligned my Dragon. He did a > wonderful job. The > recordings from vinyl or SACD are so very close to > the source you can > not tell which is live or is it TDK! If you can hear > a difference, then > something is not right with your Dragon. Fist thing > would be to give it > a good scrubbing with pro head cleaner like American > Recorder S-721H. > > http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html > > > > If that does not fix him up, then it is off for > service. These Dragons > rock! I don't know if it can beat the PR 99 with > live music, but > recording form vinyl, or digital ( gasp) the dragon > is all anyone needs. > And it is so handy to use cassette instead of reels. > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sendigitall at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 14:53:18 2005 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? In-Reply-To: <200508101003.j7AA1CeZ014573@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050810125318.93368.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> hi is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head nak system ?......wats the life time of a 3head nak's play ad rec head ....can it be replaced and aligned by any user ?....if so where can one get spare heads ?......has any one done this before ?....kindly help ? regards senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 17:14:16 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? In-Reply-To: <20050810125318.93368.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050810151417.24554.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It was possible to buy spare heads from Nak, but, not any more. You could possibly find some at a former service center. The lifetime for the Nak heads is very long. I wouldn't worry about it unless you play 8 hours a day 7 days a week for years. Or use crappy tapes that are very abrasive. No, they can no be aligned by any user. To do it right there are jigs required to get the tilt right, then a cal tape for the height and another cal tape for the azimuth. Not something for the average person. I am pretty sure Kannan has done this several time on his Naks, but, I'm sure it took him a couple hours of trial and error to get it right (and even then I doubt the tilt was perfect.) --- senthil nathan wrote: > > hi > > is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head nak system > ?......wats the life time of a 3head nak's play ad rec head > ....can it be replaced and aligned by any user ?....if so where can > one get spare heads ?......has any one done this before ?....kindly > help ? > > regards > > senthil > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ggott at depaul.edu Wed Aug 10 17:25:50 2005 From: ggott at depaul.edu (Gil Gott) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:25:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions Message-ID: hi: 3 questions regarding my cr-7. First, what serial numbers of the cr-7 were IEC 1? What serial numbers had the gear upgrade? Finally, my deck currently won't play. I hit the play button and all the transport lights go on, but the tape doesn't move. It will fast forward and rewind. Thanks for you help. Gil From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:28:09 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:28:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? Message-ID: Shalom Senthil! YOU...MUST be extremely precisely FOR which model you need such heads replacement...EACH or SEVERAL Nak decks have the SAME 3 heads configuration! SO...write us...,FOR WHICH...Model did you need? Regards, ALEX! >From: senthil nathan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? >Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:53:18 -0700 (PDT) > > >hi > > is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head nak system ?......wats >the life time of a 3head nak's play ad rec head ....can it be replaced and >aligned by any user ?....if so where can one get spare heads ?......has any >one done this before ?....kindly help ? > >regards > >senthil > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lists at richardhess.com Wed Aug 10 20:27:53 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:27:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] spare play heads for Dragons ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050810142644.03448510@127.0.0.1> I might be interested in spare play heads for Dragons... Anyone have any? How much? Cheers, Richard From BADANTH at aol.com Wed Aug 10 23:16:29 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:16:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions Message-ID: <76.59067878.302bc8ad@aol.com> On the CR-7A only units with serial number below A130-10500 are likely to nee the gear idler update (if it hasn't been done). Below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the record EQ correction. This was to correct mistakes made in the record EQ and has nothing to do with IEC1/2 standards. An uncorrected CR-7 sounds noticeable rolled off on the upper treble in recording. Can't remember the exact fix for your other problem but it is fixable as I recall. Good luck, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Aug 11 01:54:35 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:54:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions Message-ID: <20050810235436.GXSI23463.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Gil, Go to this webpage and search for "CR7A" There is a section devotion to the serial numbers and the related problems for this model. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > From: "Gil Gott" > Date: 2005/08/10 Wed AM 11:25:50 EDT > To: > Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions > > hi: 3 questions regarding my cr-7. First, what serial numbers of the > cr-7 were IEC 1? What serial numbers had the gear upgrade? Finally, my > deck currently won't play. I hit the play button and all the transport > lights go on, but the tape doesn't move. It will fast forward and > rewind. > > Thanks for you help. > > Gil > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Aug 11 02:14:26 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:14:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) Message-ID: <20050811001427.IRMM20730.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Ken, Do you have some favorite new release, reissued or remastered analog sites that you would like to share with us? I see re-issues show up all the time on eBay but have not found a site to read up on the releases in a review format. Thanks > > From: Ken Kirkpatrick > Date: 2005/08/09 Tue AM 09:47:44 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Why no auto-reverse! (was: Still after a Nak) > > Derrick says: > > "Dragon is quite a piece of work. I was recording Neil Young's Greendale > DVD to TDK MA tape this weekend, and damn if I could tell the difference > between the source and tape except when it was dead quiet and the slightest > bit of tape hiss could be heard. I stretched her out to the +8 range and > no problems at all." > > Ken replies: > > Oh I agree, it is very hard to tell the difference when recording from > digital. To really stretch the Dragons wings you need to cue up a direct > to disk lp or a master tape. The Dragon can cruise right through the > limitations of the consumer digital formats. Sacd's can push the dragon > a bit though. But to truly test the dragon or any high end analog > recorder, you need to use live mic feeds or other high end analog > sources. Then you can start to hear the limitations of the tape > compression. It is that smooth liquid sound of the best analog that the > Dragon can capture but is very hard to get back with digital recorders. > > > BTW, the new Neil Young Greatest Hits issued by Classic Records on vinyl > from the master tapes is spectacular. I read Neil was very picky with > the sound of the vinyl issue. He is a big analog fan. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 02:15:11 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050811001511.43163.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the CR-7A only units with serial number below A130-10500 are likely to need the gear idler update (if it hasn't been done). Regarding the IEC1/IEC2 issue, I'm not too sure. Apparently the units with s/n A130-08677 and later have a record eq change, but, it doesn't have anything to do with changing from IEC1 to IEC2. This was to correct a mistake made in the record EQ. An uncorrected CR-7 sounds noticeable rolled off on the upper treble in recording. I do not know if the CR-7A is IEC1 or IEC2 or if they switched sometime during the production run. Does anyone know? If I get any information on this I will add it to my FAQ page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html SJ --- Gil Gott wrote: > hi: 3 questions regarding my cr-7. First, what serial numbers of > the > cr-7 were IEC 1? What serial numbers had the gear upgrade? Finally, > my > deck currently won't play. I hit the play button and all the > transport > lights go on, but the tape doesn't move. It will fast forward and > rewind. > > Thanks for you help. > > Gil > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From packratt at erols.com Thu Aug 11 04:52:34 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:52:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] US Service center recomendation wanted Message-ID: <380-22005841125234317@M2W058.mail2web.com> Just picked up a DR-2 from a pawn shop. Externally it is in very good to excellent shape. I don't have anything to compare it to but it sounds great also. The problem I'm having is it will play about 3/4 a tape then start eating it on the side it is unspooling from (loop of loose tape is on the right facing the machine). I can take the slack back up and start playing again within a few seconds it will eat it again. Put a fresh tape in or rewind it and it will play most of the tape fine then start eating. I've cleaned all the metal parts and heads but I don't have any rubber cleaner (or know a place locally to get it) to clean the pinch rollers. Any guess as to what is causing the problem? Where should I send it for repairs? Thanks Le -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From ti at amb.org Thu Aug 11 09:52:28 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions In-Reply-To: <20050811001511.43163.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "Scott Johnson" at Aug 10, 2005 05:15:11 PM Message-ID: <20050811075228.EECFA1602D@smtp.amb.org> Scott Johnson writes: > I do not know if the CR-7A is IEC1 or IEC2 or if they switched > sometime during the production run. Does anyone know? If I get any > information on this I will add it to my FAQ page. I believe all CR-7s are IEC1. If anyone contrary facts, I'd like to know. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Aug 11 13:06:33 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:06:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: service in Australia In-Reply-To: <20050809232316.8916.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050809232316.8916.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala I found a post I kept earlier giving an Axent Audio in New Zealand but it would help to find one in Australia. I think my 582 is well out of adjustment. David On 10/08/2005, at 9:23 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I do believe in an earlier post, somewhere last > month, someone did mention couple of places in > Australia and NZ. Let me look back and get back to you > over the next few days. > > Bala > > --- David Thompson wrote: > >> Bala >> >> You refer to servicing Naks in Australia. Do you (or >> anyone) know who >> does it in Australia, preferably Queensland? >> >> David >> >> On 09/08/2005, at 5:23 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >> >>> In Singapore, most people have given up on >> servicing >>> Naks. So the closest is Australia, if not UK or >> USA. >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Aug 11 13:40:15 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:40:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak service in Australia Message-ID: Bala Further on Nak service in Australia, I have found a list of service agents as follows including one in my home town of Cairns. Whether they actually service or calibrate Nak decks is another thing to find out. David Nakamichi Service in Australia Company Suburb State Phone Atec Electronics Bexley NSW 02 9150 0299 Electronic Design North Hobart TAS 03 6231 5505 Hi Fi Service Centre Southport QLD 07 5564 0255 I.B.S Electronics Summer Hill NSW 02 9798 7919 JLS Electronics Doncaster VIC 03 9816 3113 PJL Electronics Manly Vale NSW 02 9948 2433 Progear Electronics Cairns QLD 0740356522 Rage Audio Hurstville NSW 02 9580 5605 Raytronics Bendigo VIC 03 5443 6199 Rytron Electronic Services Broadmeadow NSW 02 4940 0100 Scientific Control Ashwood VIC 03 9807 7887 Telequick TV Service Kelvin Grove, Brisbane QLD 07 3356 7311 The Electronic Audio Workshop Glandore SA 08 8293 2198 Trans Electronics Services East Vic Park WA 08 9470 1558 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200508111003.j7BA1m68018690@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050811114122.88785.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> hi Alex Cozac at present i own only one nak!.. its a cassette deck 1.5 ......btw ..the head is all good ....i just wanted to be in the safer side ....it gives a sense of comfort ..when we have an extra spare ..for these wonderful machines ..!..and about the alignment devices ...are they avilable ...if so where and how much ?.....may be i can start to experiment ..and after an year or two ...i may be able to change and align a nak's head ......cause i live in india ...and i dont think i can take my deck to any service person!. one more thing about the heads ...both the play and rec heads ...have open slits on both sides of the tape contact area ....they look like kinda not covered or closed ....is this normal ? regards senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 15:00:02 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? - Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <20050810151417.24554.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050811130002.17361.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had tried to align the tape guide blocks using my own alignment jig - machined to my spec by a Tool Room in india as I did not get any info at that time. However I was not very succesful in aligning 582 play /record heads without any of the gauges. I imported them from Japan more than 4 years back and posted the prices on the Naktalk - which made Stephen to quote that he would move to Singapore to do his service work on Naks. Infact Stephen collected a spare transformer from me (for one of his client needing dual voltage Nak CR7 power supply transformer including the switch) at that time ! Coming to aligning heads and other electronic parts in a Nak - I would strongly suggest to use only Nak gauges and test tools. Infact all Robert kent' machines were aligned using Nak gauges/ tapes and few other Nakkers here utilized my services to align their naks. I spent over 1800$ on these items at that time! Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: It was possible to buy spare heads from Nak, but, not any more. You could possibly find some at a former service center. The lifetime for the Nak heads is very long. I wouldn't worry about it unless you play 8 hours a day 7 days a week for years. Or use crappy tapes that are very abrasive. No, they can no be aligned by any user. To do it right there are jigs required to get the tilt right, then a cal tape for the height and another cal tape for the azimuth. Not something for the average person. I am pretty sure Kannan has done this several time on his Naks, but, I'm sure it took him a couple hours of trial and error to get it right (and even then I doubt the tilt was perfect.) --- senthil nathan wrote: > > hi > > is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head nak system > ?......wats the life time of a 3head nak's play ad rec head > ....can it be replaced and aligned by any user ?....if so where can > one get spare heads ?......has any one done this before ?....kindly > help ? > > regards > > senthil > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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( Analog corner, equipment reviews) http://www.musicangle.com/ http://www.redtrumpet.com/ (look under Music-top sellers to get an idea about what new vinyl is going fast) http://store.acousticsounds.com/ Chad has just about everything analog and some fine digital too. http://www.elusivedisc.com/ http://www.classicrecs.com/ http://www.stevehoffman.tv/ Steve Hoffman and Kevin Gray are cutting some killer vinyl! Good forum too. http://www.groovenote.com/ They make fine reissues and new stuff, all analog http://www.sundazed.com/ excellent reissues at a better price http://www.analogueproductions.com/index.cfm http://www.mosaicrecords.com/ nice box sets,expensive but very nice. This should keep you busy for a bit! From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 16:08:38 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:08:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement belts In-Reply-To: <3F268D62.16F56680@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago I remember someone posting contact details for replacement rubber belts. Well, I am now in need of replacement rubber belts! Not for my home Naks, but for my car MTD1 and also for my Marantz CD94 CD player which uses the Philips CDM 1 laser mechanism. The Nak MTD1 just uses one very long, thin rubber belt but the Marantz CD94 loading tray uses 4 rubber belts of different width and lengths. If anyone can help, I would be very grateful. Thanks! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 17:01:51 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:01:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? Message-ID: Hello Senthil! It's NOT specific for me, my good friend Senthil...as I live in Israel, and NEVER had any "Cheap" Nak deck, and of course...NEVER changed any Heads with my many Nak decks that I own since 1978, really I can't help you...however..I hope that will be at least some of our forum...that can advice you where to obtain replacement...(If any!!!?). My best wishes, and good luck! ALEX! >From: senthil nathan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:41:22 -0700 (PDT) > > >hi Alex Cozac > > at present i own only one nak!.. its a cassette deck >1.5 ......btw ..the head is all good ....i just wanted to be in the safer >side ....it gives a sense of comfort ..when we have an extra spare ..for >these wonderful machines ..!..and about the alignment devices ...are they >avilable ...if so where and how much ?.....may be i can start to experiment >..and after an year or two ...i may be able to change and align a nak's >head ......cause i live in india ...and i dont think i can take my deck to >any service person!. > > one more >thing about the heads ...both the play and rec heads ...have open slits on >both sides of the tape contact area ....they look like kinda not covered or >closed ....is this normal ? > >regards > >senthil > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 19:50:59 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] US Service center recomendation wanted In-Reply-To: <380-22005841125234317@M2W058.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20050811175059.61598.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Clean the rubber pinch rollers really really well. Straight alcohol will be fine, but, don't use anything less than 90%. Don't use any rubber rejuvinator chemicals. A friend brought me his MR-1 and it sounded pretty bad high frequency roll off that went in and out. The pinch rollers looked aweful. I cleaned them and it played fine after that. While you're at it clean the plastic tape guide too (you already said you cleaned the metal parts and the head so you don't have to do them again). SJ --- "packratt at erols.com" wrote: > Just picked up a DR-2 from a pawn shop. Externally it is in very > good to > excellent shape. I don't have anything to compare it to but it > sounds great > also. > > The problem I'm having is it will play about 3/4 a tape then start > eating > it on the side it is unspooling from (loop of loose tape is on the > right > facing the machine). I can take the slack back up and start playing > again > within a few seconds it will eat it again. Put a fresh tape in or > rewind it > and it will play most of the tape fine then start eating. > > I've cleaned all the metal parts and heads but I don't have any > rubber > cleaner (or know a place locally to get it) to clean the pinch > rollers. > > Any guess as to what is causing the problem? > > Where should I send it for repairs? > > Thanks > Le > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ggott at depaul.edu Thu Aug 11 21:54:39 2005 From: ggott at depaul.edu (Gil Gott) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:54:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 questions Message-ID: Thank you, Anthony. I think I have one that will need the gear upgrade. Ouch. But might as well have it done when I get the other problem fixed. Best, Gil >>> BADANTH at aol.com 08/10/05 4:16 PM >>> On the CR-7A only units with serial number below A130-10500 are likely to nee the gear idler update (if it hasn't been done). Below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the record EQ correction. This was to correct mistakes made in the record EQ and has nothing to do with IEC1/2 standards. An uncorrected CR-7 sounds noticeable rolled off on the upper treble in recording. Can't remember the exact fix for your other problem but it is fixable as I recall. Good luck, Anthony From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 01:31:23 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? - Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <20050811130002.17361.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050811233123.72357.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, The issue with jigs is their tolerances. As a metallurgist, I am sure you are well aware about working with metals. Could the jigs be machined to a lower tolerance in order to save costs? The company I am in also does high precision machining using EDM, Wire cut, CNC, profile grinding just to name a few. They make alignment jigs for machines that build hard disks, and have accuracy down to a few microns. And it doesn;t cost the sky! So I am not too suprised if Sank wanted to look towards Singapore. However, if these jigs need to be replicated quickly and cheaply, I can recommend a few places which can do the job. My feelings are that if these jigs, along with Kermit's tapes can be made available to more of us, more of our decks will be well calibrated and aligned. It will also make the whole process less painful. Regards Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I had tried to align the tape guide blocks using my > own alignment jig - machined to my spec by a Tool > Room in india as I did not get any info at that > time. However I was not very succesful in aligning > 582 play /record heads without any of the gauges. I > imported them from Japan more than 4 years back and > posted the prices on the Naktalk - which made > Stephen to quote that he would move to Singapore to > do his service work on Naks. Infact Stephen > collected a spare transformer from me (for one of > his client needing dual voltage Nak CR7 power supply > transformer including the switch) at that time ! > > Coming to aligning heads and other electronic parts > in a Nak - I would strongly suggest to use only Nak > gauges and test tools. Infact all Robert kent' > machines were aligned using Nak gauges/ tapes and > few other Nakkers here utilized my services to align > their naks. I spent over 1800$ on these items at > that time! > > Kannan > Scott Johnson wrote: > It was possible to buy spare heads from Nak, but, > not any more. You > could possibly find some at a former service center. > The lifetime for the Nak heads is very long. I > wouldn't worry about > it unless you play 8 hours a day 7 days a week for > years. Or use > crappy tapes that are very abrasive. > No, they can no be aligned by any user. To do it > right there are > jigs required to get the tilt right, then a cal tape > for the height > and another cal tape for the azimuth. Not something > for the average > person. > I am pretty sure Kannan has done this several time > on his Naks, but, > I'm sure it took him a couple hours of trial and > error to get it > right (and even then I doubt the tilt was perfect.) > > --- senthil nathan wrote: > > > > > hi > > > > is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head > nak system > > ?......wats the life time of a 3head nak's play ad > rec head > > ....can it be replaced and aligned by any user > ?....if so where can > > one get spare heads ?......has any one done this > before ?....kindly > > help ? > > > > regards > > > > senthil > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Fri Aug 12 01:31:08 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:31:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Message-ID: <000001c59ed3$8f5fb770$c2eb5651@homeduron1300> Hi folks, I have an RX505E with a hole in the back of the case where a stud and self-lock nut stick out on my other 505's. Anyone know what this does and how relevant it is to the operation of the machine. It's just been serviced and I hadn't noticed it wasn't there before it went away, as I hadn't used the machine since I obtained it (cheap). The service dept hadn't replaced the stud and nut, and so I assume it can run ok without whatever it is but I thought I'd ask the experts (that's you). I had always assumed it must anchor the cassette drawer mechanism in some way. Many thanks, David Edwards From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 05:21:58 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak service in Australia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050812032158.29670.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perfect!! David Thompson wrote:Bala Further on Nak service in Australia, I have found a list of service agents as follows including one in my home town of Cairns. Whether they actually service or calibrate Nak decks is another thing to find out. David Nakamichi Service in Australia Company Suburb State Phone Atec Electronics Bexley NSW 02 9150 0299 Electronic Design North Hobart TAS 03 6231 5505 Hi Fi Service Centre Southport QLD 07 5564 0255 I.B.S Electronics Summer Hill NSW 02 9798 7919 JLS Electronics Doncaster VIC 03 9816 3113 PJL Electronics Manly Vale NSW 02 9948 2433 Progear Electronics Cairns QLD 0740356522 Rage Audio Hurstville NSW 02 9580 5605 Raytronics Bendigo VIC 03 5443 6199 Rytron Electronic Services Broadmeadow NSW 02 4940 0100 Scientific Control Ashwood VIC 03 9807 7887 Telequick TV Service Kelvin Grove, Brisbane QLD 07 3356 7311 The Electronic Audio Workshop Glandore SA 08 8293 2198 Trans Electronics Services East Vic Park WA 08 9470 1558 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 12 06:32:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:32:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still after a Nak Message-ID: My Lovely Bala! With this post of you...YET you...make my MONTH joyfulnesses!!!!! The problem...is that Ornette, is looking a Mercedes in Mint conditions...for a Pontiac price....to my knowledge...it's impossible!!! Our Lord will bless you always...Bala! ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:06:38 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > > Alex is a very knowledgeable person on Naks, having >played with some of their best decks. His Dragon >replaced the 1000ZXL he had before. Having a Dragon, I >can tell that his observations are correct, though I >have yet to compare with my own 1000ZXL. He is a >staunch Dragon fan, no doubt! And that faith comes >with good reason. > >Bala > >--- Ornette Wilson wrote: > > > Alex, > > > > You are SO convinced I should buy a Dragon. > > Maybe it is the case that you have one to sell... > > and that you would like me to purchase it from you! > > > > Then, if you are able to sell it to me for a price > > that within the region of > > �150 UKP (Sterling), > > then indeed we shall do business together.... > > > > > > Regards... > > Ornette > > > > > > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:40 +0000 > > >Dear Ornette! > > > > > >Thanks you for mention me, Ti Kan...just in a > > simple way gave you an a cute > > >response...Dragon...in a "MINT" conditions...will > > satisfied you 100%...Good > > >Luck trying to pick one! > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) > > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Still after a Nak > > >>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>Ornette Wilson writes: > > >> > Probably for Alex more than anyone, > > >> > but I didn't realise the Dragon was an > > auto-reverse deck! > > >> > Now thats ruled out obtaining a Dragon (for me, > > at least) what Nak tape > > >>deck > > >> > should I go for? > > >> > > >>Why would being an auto-reverse deck rule it out? > > You can operate it > > >>as a single-direction only deck if you want. > > There is a button that > > >>selects whether you want it to reverse play or > > not. > > >> > > >>The beauty of the Dragon is the NAAC system which > > no other home Nak has. > > >> > > >>-Ti > > >>-- > > >>Ti Kan > > >>http://www.amb.org/ti > > >>Vorsprung durch Technik > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without > > calibration tabes nor tools > > >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:16:56 +0000 > > >To my unique & dear Scott! > > > > > >100% agreed...I forgot those thinks...that inside > > parts get aged...Sorry! > > >However...regarding tape formulations...in my > > lovely and really barely used > > >Dragon machine...you can trough those "Level & > > Bias" ajustment...calibrate > > >for any newer tape formula...so always...will sound > > good...or again I'm > > >wrong? > > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Scott Johnson > > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck calibration without > > calibration tabes nor > > >>tools > > >>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >> >WHY...NOT to leave as the FACTORY calibrated > > >>Because things change. Capacitor and resistor > > values change over > > >>time, tape formulations change, heads wear and > > their characteristics > > >>change. That's why the pots need to be > > periodically calibrated. > > >> > > >>The heads rarely if ever need to be calibrated > > unless they are played > > >>with. > > >> > > >>SJ > > >> > > >>--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > >> > > >> > Shalom my dear Scott! > > >> > > > >> > I have an a very extremely feelings, that you > > do not 100% > > >> > comprehend my > > >> > question; It's true that my lovely Dragon and > > all the other that > > >> > you > > >> > mentioned, can be optimally calibrated for many > > Normal; Chrome, & > > >> > Metal type > > >> > cassettes...when others machines are > > "Internally" calibrated for > > >> > ONE brand > > >> > cassettes, mainly TDK or Maxell brands...for > > that Dragon model can > > >> > be widely > > >> > calibrated for many brands as you wish. > > >> > My question, was or is...WHY....newer owners of > > our lovely brand > > >> > Nakamichi..NEED to touch INSIDE...or move the > > heads calibration > > >> > heads WITH > > >> > OUT TOOLS....! WHY...NOT to leave as the > > FACTORY calibrated???, > > >> > that was > > >> > really my dear Scott my point. > > >> > > > >> > Scott you wrote me! > > >> > > > >> > >That is why your Dragon does not need to be > > opened for these > > >> > >calibration pots. So really your Dragon has > > probably been > > >> > calibrated > > >> > >far more times than any other deck. > > >> > > > >> > This sentence it's not so easy to comprehend by > > me, as my mother > > >> > language is > > >> > Spanish...!, however it's true that with each > > new cassette that I > > >> > intend to > > >> > records, I calibrate EACH side before beginning > > to record....for > > >> > listen it > > >> > leave the EQ at 70 as 100% I use Chrome type > > cassettes. > > >> > Surely...NO technician open my machine...till > > today since 1984 > > >> > "FACTORY > > >> > SCREWED SCREWS"! > > >> > > > >> > I really hope that now I made myself > > apprehended...No? > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Aug 12 06:39:41 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:39:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] US Service center recommendation wanted Message-ID: Dear LE! Scott, is an a very serious erudite on Naks maintenance...do 100% exactly what he advices you...& your deck will perform well again...DON'T forget to degauss extremely well & cautiously the heads and all circa the heads! Post us your results...after that you finish such care!...Thanks!!! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: packratt at erols.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] US Service center recomendation wanted >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) > >Clean the rubber pinch rollers really really well. Straight alcohol >will be fine, but, don't use anything less than 90%. Don't use any >rubber rejuvinator chemicals. A friend brought me his MR-1 and it >sounded pretty bad high frequency roll off that went in and out. The >pinch rollers looked aweful. I cleaned them and it played fine after >that. While you're at it clean the plastic tape guide too (you >already said you cleaned the metal parts and the head so you don't >have to do them again). > >SJ > >--- "packratt at erols.com" wrote: > > > Just picked up a DR-2 from a pawn shop. Externally it is in very > > good to > > excellent shape. I don't have anything to compare it to but it > > sounds great > > also. > > > > The problem I'm having is it will play about 3/4 a tape then start > > eating > > it on the side it is unspooling from (loop of loose tape is on the > > right > > facing the machine). I can take the slack back up and start playing > > again > > within a few seconds it will eat it again. Put a fresh tape in or > > rewind it > > and it will play most of the tape fine then start eating. > > > > I've cleaned all the metal parts and heads but I don't have any > > rubber > > cleaner (or know a place locally to get it) to clean the pinch > > rollers. > > > > Any guess as to what is causing the problem? > > > > Where should I send it for repairs? > > > > Thanks > > Le > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Aug 12 09:50:51 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:50:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR5, ZX7,RX505 Message-ID: looking f0r information on these model Nakamichis- Cr5,Zx7,Rx505.These appear to be a kind of budget alternative to the CR7, ZX9, and Dragon, but how do they measure up?. The Zx7 is the one most interesting to me as an additon to my Nak collection.But how do you rank these units? Cr5 first, Rx505 next, and Zx7 last? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From vikingdude at mailcan.com Fri Aug 12 11:27:01 2005 From: vikingdude at mailcan.com (vikingdude at mailcan.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:27:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 Message-ID: <1123838821.28914.240537183@webmail.messagingengine.com> I was thinking of getting this one if the price don't go too high http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-DR-8-2-Head-cassette-deck-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ5798320929QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem What do you guys think of the DR-8? And how much would you pay for it? Also, think I read somewhere that tapes recorded on naks don't sound as good on other decks is this true? I'm mostly going to record tapes that will be played back on other machines, most of these machines will probably be mediocre decks and boom boxes. -- vikingdude at mailcan.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. From fugue4all at shaw.ca Fri Aug 12 23:40:52 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:40:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 14-pin connector pinouts for CD-45z Head Unit Message-ID: <002401c59f86$831877a0$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, folks-I've inherited a CD-45z CD Head Unit sans 14-pin connector. Until the one from Nak USA comes, I have no means of testing it. Can anyone out there supply me with the pinouts? Regards, Paul Dingle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/2005 From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Aug 13 22:37:04 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:37:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? - Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <20050811233123.72357.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050811233123.72357.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42FE59F0.5030907@cox.net> I have five gauges - four stroke check gauges and one tilt check gauge: M-9051 M-9091 M-9090 M-9047 and M-9039 This is not a full complement of gauges; I don't have all of them necessary to do a textbook alignment of my ZX-7. And I don't have a list of which machines require which gauges. I purchased these, along with 8 Nak test tapes DA09001 through DA09007 and DA09071 from someone who was liquidating some service center materials. Unfortunately, there was no stock of parts available to me, only the test tapes and gauges. But you can imagine how happy I was to get these. They are great to have, but rarely needed once a machine is properly aligned. It would be good to find a way to make these more useful to other Nak owners. But I'm reticent to part with them for fear of damage or loss; they are quite irreplaceable. I have considered offering to perform alignments on machines if sent to me. This would put the trust on the other foot, so to speak, with people feeling comfortable sending their instruments to me and trusting they would be sent back undamaged. I've no doubt I could do the alignment properly; it's something I did on Naks and others for years in a previous career as a hifi technician. Duplicating these gauges is a possibility. These are very well-made little tools and I suspect it would be an expensive proposition to duplicate them exactly. This is something for a mechanical engineer and a machinist to answer. Anyway, I'm open to suggestions. Anyone have a good idea? Tim Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Hi Kannan, > > The issue with jigs is their tolerances. As a >metallurgist, I am sure you are well aware about >working with metals. Could the jigs be machined to a >lower tolerance in order to save costs? The company I >am in also does high precision machining using EDM, >Wire cut, CNC, profile grinding just to name a few. >They make alignment jigs for machines that build hard >disks, and have accuracy down to a few microns. And it >doesn;t cost the sky! So I am not too suprised if Sank >wanted to look towards Singapore. However, if these >jigs need to be replicated quickly and cheaply, I can >recommend a few places which can do the job. > >My feelings are that if these jigs, along with >Kermit's tapes can be made available to more of us, >more of our decks will be well calibrated and aligned. >It will also make the whole process less painful. > >Regards >Bala > >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > > > >>I had tried to align the tape guide blocks using my >>own alignment jig - machined to my spec by a Tool >>Room in india as I did not get any info at that >>time. However I was not very succesful in aligning >>582 play /record heads without any of the gauges. I >>imported them from Japan more than 4 years back and >>posted the prices on the Naktalk - which made >>Stephen to quote that he would move to Singapore to >>do his service work on Naks. Infact Stephen >>collected a spare transformer from me (for one of >>his client needing dual voltage Nak CR7 power supply >>transformer including the switch) at that time ! >> >>Coming to aligning heads and other electronic parts >>in a Nak - I would strongly suggest to use only Nak >>gauges and test tools. Infact all Robert kent' >>machines were aligned using Nak gauges/ tapes and >>few other Nakkers here utilized my services to align >>their naks. I spent over 1800$ on these items at >>that time! >> >>Kannan >>Scott Johnson wrote: >>It was possible to buy spare heads from Nak, but, >>not any more. You >>could possibly find some at a former service center. >>The lifetime for the Nak heads is very long. I >>wouldn't worry about >>it unless you play 8 hours a day 7 days a week for >>years. Or use >>crappy tapes that are very abrasive. >>No, they can no be aligned by any user. To do it >>right there are >>jigs required to get the tilt right, then a cal tape >>for the height >>and another cal tape for the azimuth. Not something >>for the average >>person. >>I am pretty sure Kannan has done this several time >>on his Naks, but, >>I'm sure it took him a couple hours of trial and >>error to get it >>right (and even then I doubt the tilt was perfect.) >> >>--- senthil nathan wrote: >> >> >> >>>hi >>> >>>is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head >>> >>> >>nak system >> >> >>>?......wats the life time of a 3head nak's play ad >>> >>> >>rec head >> >> >>>....can it be replaced and aligned by any user >>> >>> >>?....if so where can >> >> >>>one get spare heads ?......has any one done this >>> >>> >>before ?....kindly >> >> >>>help ? >>> >>>regards >>> >>>senthil >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>> >>> >>protection around >> >> >>>http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>>Register your Nak today! >>> >>> >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> >> >>____________________________________________________ >>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com > >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Aug 14 14:15:40 2005 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:15:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak service in Australia In-Reply-To: <20050812032158.29670.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050812032158.29670.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21269561-0CBD-11DA-A6C9-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> Not so perfect as Progear have closed their service dept. But I found a referral to another place that used to do Naks – Cairns Sun Air & Sound. I have left the 582 there to see what they can do. David On 12/08/2005, at 1:21 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Perfect!! > > David Thompson wrote: > Bala > > Further on Nak service in Australia, I have found a list of service > agents as follows including one in my home town of Cairns. Whether > they > actually service or calibrate Nak decks is another thing to find out. > > David > Nakamichi Service in Australia > Company Suburb State Phone > Atec Electronics Bexley NSW 02 9150 0299 > Electronic Design North Hobart TAS 03 6231 5505 > Hi Fi Service Centre Southport QLD 07 5564 0255 > I.B.S Electronics Summer Hill NSW 02 9798 7919 > JLS Electronics Doncaster VIC 03 9816 3113 > PJL Electronics Manly Vale NSW 02 9948 2433 > Progear Electronics Cairns QLD 0740356522 > Rage Audio Hurstville NSW 02 9580 5605 > Raytronics Bendigo VIC 03 5443 6199 > Rytron Electronic Services Broadmeadow NSW 02 4940 0100 > Scientific Control Ashwood VIC 03 9807 7887 > Telequick TV Service Kelvin Grove, Brisbane QLD 07 3356 7311 > The Electronic Audio Workshop Glandore SA 08 8293 2198 > Trans Electronics Services East Vic Park WA 08 9470 1558 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2301 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flifton at mac.com Sat Aug 13 23:50:04 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:50:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] seeking remote In-Reply-To: <200508121002.j7CA042q023846@zxe.naks.com> References: <200508121002.j7CA042q023846@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Nakkers, I'm looking for a remote for my ZX-7. If anyone has or knows of an RM200 or RM580 for sale, I'm buying. thanks, Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 14 04:41:29 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] spare head for 3 head naks ? - Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <42FE59F0.5030907@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050814024130.71031.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim, Duplicating them isn't cheap, but it isnt as expensive as one might be led to think. The key is to correctly asses each part, accurately measure and map out the readings and translate them for the machine shop. Each jig, once made, has to be measured and corrected for variance in the machining. This is a highly condensed version of the process used to make alignment jigs for semiconductor industries. There, dimensions are in the realm of microns. So I suspect that Nak jigs would not need that level of accuracy, and therefore would be much cheaper and easier to duplicate. Without any sacrifice in terms of quality or accuracy. If it is possible, those who have jigs can contribute in terms of measurement or drawings. We can get as close as possible to the full complement of jigs made by Nak that way. Bala --- Tim Barrett wrote: > I have five gauges - four stroke check gauges and > one tilt check gauge: > M-9051 > M-9091 > M-9090 > M-9047 > and M-9039 > This is not a full complement of gauges; I don't > have all of them > necessary to do a textbook alignment of my ZX-7. > And I don't have a > list of which machines require which gauges. > > I purchased these, along with 8 Nak test tapes > DA09001 through DA09007 > and DA09071 from someone who was liquidating some > service center > materials. Unfortunately, there was no stock of > parts available to me, > only the test tapes and gauges. But you can imagine > how happy I was to > get these. They are great to have, but rarely > needed once a machine is > properly aligned. > > It would be good to find a way to make these more > useful to other Nak > owners. But I'm reticent to part with them for fear > of damage or loss; > they are quite irreplaceable. I have considered > offering to perform > alignments on machines if sent to me. This would > put the trust on the > other foot, so to speak, with people feeling > comfortable sending their > instruments to me and trusting they would be sent > back undamaged. I've > no doubt I could do the alignment properly; it's > something I did on Naks > and others for years in a previous career as a hifi > technician. > > Duplicating these gauges is a possibility. These > are very well-made > little tools and I suspect it would be an expensive > proposition to > duplicate them exactly. This is something for a > mechanical engineer and > a machinist to answer. > > Anyway, I'm open to suggestions. Anyone have a good > idea? > > Tim > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >Hi Kannan, > > > > The issue with jigs is their tolerances. As a > >metallurgist, I am sure you are well aware about > >working with metals. Could the jigs be machined to > a > >lower tolerance in order to save costs? The company > I > >am in also does high precision machining using EDM, > >Wire cut, CNC, profile grinding just to name a few. > >They make alignment jigs for machines that build > hard > >disks, and have accuracy down to a few microns. And > it > >doesn;t cost the sky! So I am not too suprised if > Sank > >wanted to look towards Singapore. However, if these > >jigs need to be replicated quickly and cheaply, I > can > >recommend a few places which can do the job. > > > >My feelings are that if these jigs, along with > >Kermit's tapes can be made available to more of us, > >more of our decks will be well calibrated and > aligned. > >It will also make the whole process less painful. > > > >Regards > >Bala > > > >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>I had tried to align the tape guide blocks using > my > >>own alignment jig - machined to my spec by a Tool > >>Room in india as I did not get any info at that > >>time. However I was not very succesful in aligning > >>582 play /record heads without any of the gauges. > I > >>imported them from Japan more than 4 years back > and > >>posted the prices on the Naktalk - which made > >>Stephen to quote that he would move to Singapore > to > >>do his service work on Naks. Infact Stephen > >>collected a spare transformer from me (for one of > >>his client needing dual voltage Nak CR7 power > supply > >>transformer including the switch) at that time ! > >> > >>Coming to aligning heads and other electronic > parts > >>in a Nak - I would strongly suggest to use only > Nak > >>gauges and test tools. Infact all Robert kent' > >>machines were aligned using Nak gauges/ tapes and > >>few other Nakkers here utilized my services to > align > >>their naks. I spent over 1800$ on these items at > >>that time! > >> > >>Kannan > >>Scott Johnson wrote: > >>It was possible to buy spare heads from Nak, but, > >>not any more. You > >>could possibly find some at a former service > center. > >>The lifetime for the Nak heads is very long. I > >>wouldn't worry about > >>it unless you play 8 hours a day 7 days a week for > >>years. Or use > >>crappy tapes that are very abrasive. > >>No, they can no be aligned by any user. To do it > >>right there are > >>jigs required to get the tilt right, then a cal > tape > >>for the height > >>and another cal tape for the azimuth. Not > something > >>for the average > >>person. > >>I am pretty sure Kannan has done this several time > >>on his Naks, but, > >>I'm sure it took him a couple hours of trial and > >>error to get it > >>right (and even then I doubt the tilt was > perfect.) > >> > >>--- senthil nathan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>hi > >>> > >>>is there any thig like a spare head for a 3 head > >>> > >>> > >>nak system > >> > >> > >>>?......wats the life time of a 3head nak's play > ad > >>> > >>> > >>rec head > >> > >> > >>>....can it be replaced and aligned by any user > >>> > >>> > >>?....if so where can > >> > >> > >>>one get spare heads ?......has any one done this > >>> > >>> > >>before ?....kindly > >> > >> > >>>help ? > >>> > >>>regards > >>> > >>>senthil > >>> > >>>__________________________________________________ > >>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> > >>> > >>protection around > >> > >> > >>>http://mail.yahoo.com > > >>> > >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >>>Register your Nak today! > >>> > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Aug 14 07:44:55 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:44:55 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] re: CR5, ZX7, RX505 Message-ID: <002001c5a093$4cc5df40$0201a8c0@lan> Something I may be able to make some useful input on, as I have all three, but not the others (unfortunately!!) They are all great decks and exist for different reasons. As each one sounds different, or at least mine do, so a ranking is entirely personal. How I think of them is probably not relevant to your expectations. Also, I have never been one for chasing specifications, preferring my own ears! I would anticipate that you would also be obtaining any one of these for different reasons?.... so it would come down to what you want from your Nakamichi. Obviously you would be looking at an RX505 for the nifty autoreverse and convenience... never fails in impress friends!!. For sheer techo look if nothing else, the ZX-7 wins hands down, and all those buttons and knobs scare the hell out of the wife and friends, so they daren't touch! The CR-5 sits in between, and I like visually impressive signal metering. If you are an inveterate tape fiddler like myself, then the ZX-7 is the one. As for sound, and this is entirely personal as I said before, (and I like all three..): The ZX-7 is fantastic, incredibly detailed, and very very close to source in my system. Slightly forward or warm is the term that the journo's use. The RX505 is a bit more lively and forward still. To me these two have a more classical Nakamichi sound (as per the brill 600 and 580 series) if there is such a nuance, and thus by inference slightly coloured; and why some people often prefer the tape recording to the original, myself included. When I 'acquired' my CR-5, my latest Nak in terms of model sequence, I was initially disappointed with it's 'sound'. My CR-5 sounded slightly 'muted' compared to the to the others. All the detail is there, it just seemed 'flat'. Neutral is the term I would use now after comparison with other members of the CR series, and dare I say representative the 'sound' of the later series of Nakamichi's. I understand from this group that Stephen Sank rated the CR-5 highly?. Best option is to try and compare your shortlist if possible, and if not, as all are good/great/fantastic, buy on deck condition as always. Sales Glossies for the CR-5 and RX505 can be found on Scott Johnson's site, and I can forward that for the ZX-7 if needed. 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URL: From packratt at erols.com Sun Aug 14 14:27:22 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] US Service center recommendation wanted Message-ID: <380-220058014122722437@M2W110.mail2web.com> What degaussing supplies do I need and where do I get them? I cleaned the pinch rollers and shoe last night and it is still eating the tapes. Unless they were wet the rubber pinch rollers remained dull in color. It is almost like once the majority of a tape gets onto the takeup capstan the speed drops on that one while the other one keeps turning at the original rate. The loop of tape is always on the takeup side between the takeup side pinch roller and takeup capstan. The loop of tape comes through the opening in the cassette closest to the edge of the tape. Le Original Message: ----------------- From: Alex Cozac alexcozac at hotmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:39:41 +0000 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] US Service center recommendation wanted Dear LE! Scott, is an a very serious erudite on Naks maintenance...do 100% exactly what he advices you...& your deck will perform well again...DON'T forget to degauss extremely well & cautiously the heads and all circa the heads! Post us your results...after that you finish such care!...Thanks!!! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: packratt at erols.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] US Service center recomendation wanted >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) > >Clean the rubber pinch rollers really really well. Straight alcohol >will be fine, but, don't use anything less than 90%. Don't use any >rubber rejuvinator chemicals. A friend brought me his MR-1 and it >sounded pretty bad high frequency roll off that went in and out. The >pinch rollers looked aweful. I cleaned them and it played fine after >that. While you're at it clean the plastic tape guide too (you >already said you cleaned the metal parts and the head so you don't >have to do them again). > >SJ > >--- "packratt at erols.com" wrote: > > > Just picked up a DR-2 from a pawn shop. Externally it is in very > > good to > > excellent shape. I don't have anything to compare it to but it > > sounds great > > also. > > > > The problem I'm having is it will play about 3/4 a tape then start > > eating > > it on the side it is unspooling from (loop of loose tape is on the > > right > > facing the machine). I can take the slack back up and start playing > > again > > within a few seconds it will eat it again. Put a fresh tape in or > > rewind it > > and it will play most of the tape fine then start eating. > > > > I've cleaned all the metal parts and heads but I don't have any > > rubber > > cleaner (or know a place locally to get it) to clean the pinch > > rollers. > > > > Any guess as to what is causing the problem? > > > > Where should I send it for repairs? > > > > Thanks > > Le > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? 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From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Aug 14 12:58:45 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:58:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! In-Reply-To: <000001c59ed3$8f5fb770$c2eb5651@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <20050814105845.93634.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Special moded version done in the uK for ajusting motor \speed! T David Edwards wrote: Hi folks, I have an RX505E with a hole in the back of the case where a stud and self-lock nut stick out on my other 505's. Anyone know what this does and how relevant it is to the operation of the machine. It's just been serviced and I hadn't noticed it wasn't there before it went away, as I hadn't used the machine since I obtained it (cheap). The service dept hadn't replaced the stud and nut, and so I assume it can run ok without whatever it is but I thought I'd ask the experts (that's you). I had always assumed it must anchor the cassette drawer mechanism in some way. Many thanks, David Edwards ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Mon Aug 15 00:15:47 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:15:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! References: <20050814105845.93634.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c5a11d$b8ee5dc0$d2f65651@homeduron1300> Are you sure? It takes an 11mm (7/16 in) spanner and there are no calibration marks! I suppose I could take the lid off and look myself but not being technical (I'm ok with car engines but not nearly clever enough for electronics), I don't want to delve where I'm not wanted. On the other hand If you say so, who am I to argue? Do you think it matters if it isn't there, though. Thanks again, David ----- Original Message ----- From: TERRY FINN To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Special moded version done in the uK for ajusting motor \speed! T David Edwards wrote: Hi folks, I have an RX505E with a hole in the back of the case where a stud and self-lock nut stick out on my other 505's. Anyone know what this does and how relevant it is to the operation of the machine. It's just been serviced and I hadn't noticed it wasn't there before it went away, as I hadn't used the machine since I obtained it (cheap). The service dept hadn't replaced the stud and nut, and so I assume it can run ok without whatever it is but I thought I'd ask the experts (that's you). I had always assumed it must anchor the cassette drawer mechanism in some way. 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URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Aug 15 08:23:31 2005 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-15?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:23:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR5, ZX7,RX505 References: Message-ID: Hello Gerald, I have no CR5 (and never heard), but have the other two. The (my) RX505 sounds (just) a bit more lively than the (my) ZX7 (to my ears). However, if you are inclined to make recordings also, the ZX7 far the more sophisticated over the other two. But be careful, even the youngest pieces (of ZX7s) are more than 20 years old. Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Guerrero" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR5, ZX7,RX505 > looking f0r information on these model Nakamichis- Cr5,Zx7,Rx505.These > appear to be a kind of budget alternative to the CR7, ZX9, and Dragon, but > how do they measure up?. The Zx7 is the one most interesting to me as an > additon to my Nak collection.But how do you rank these units? Cr5 first, > Rx505 next, and Zx7 last? > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From willem.vinke at atosorigin.com Mon Aug 15 14:11:10 2005 From: willem.vinke at atosorigin.com (Vinke, Willem) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:11:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Owner manual 581 Message-ID: <1B9CEB73689C8D43BC2FD13C00B18CD904679A8D@nlex001.nl.int.atosorigin.com> > Hi, > > For an reasonable price i becam owner of a decent 581. I wonder if someone have ever scanned the owner manual of such a machine. Otherwise: wher could i find such a manual? > > Regards From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Mon Aug 15 16:14:33 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:14:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! References: <20050814105845.93634.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <002f01c5a11d$b8ee5dc0$d2f65651@homeduron1300> <006301c5a193$2446a080$42639751@compaq> Message-ID: <001901c5a1a3$a9a1c6a0$634f5651@homeduron1300> Hi Terry, I have attached some pictures but I have now received a reply from B&W (Paul Wilkins) and he concurs with your original thoughts. I have cut and pasted his reply below (I'm hoping he won't mind) and as you can see, the bolt is non-standard, as you originally said. Here is Paul's reply: 'The stud is attached to a guide tube inside the machine. This was fitted by the studio who had the machine before you because they needed to adjust the motor speed without removing the top cover or pulling the machines off their rack system. The mod is not a Nakamichi product and has no effect on the performance or operation of the machine.' So all's well. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Finn To: David Edwards Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Can you send a picture? T ----- Original Message ----- From: David Edwards To: terry at affinityaudio.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Are you sure? It takes an 11mm (7/16 in) spanner and there are no calibration marks! I suppose I could take the lid off and look myself but not being technical (I'm ok with car engines but not nearly clever enough for electronics), I don't want to delve where I'm not wanted. On the other hand If you say so, who am I to argue? Do you think it matters if it isn't there, though. Thanks again, David ----- Original Message ----- From: TERRY FINN To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Special moded version done in the uK for ajusting motor \speed! T David Edwards wrote: Hi folks, I have an RX505E with a hole in the back of the case where a stud and self-lock nut stick out on my other 505's. Anyone know what this does and how relevant it is to the operation of the machine. It's just been serviced and I hadn't noticed it wasn't there before it went away, as I hadn't used the machine since I obtained it (cheap). The service dept hadn't replaced the stud and nut, and so I assume it can run ok without whatever it is but I thought I'd ask the experts (that's you). I had always assumed it must anchor the cassette drawer mechanism in some way. 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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 14/08/05 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMGP0576.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 512935 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMGP0577.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 507377 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 17:07:23 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] US Service center recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <380-220058014122722437@M2W110.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20050815150723.93508.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The loop of tape is caused by the takeup hub not pullin the tape in. You said you had a DR-2 so I ruled out the take up hub, but, it sounds like it's bad. This is typically a problem on the early Sankyo transports used mainly in the BX series. You need to check the takeup torque although I can tell from your description that it's too low. I have no idea how take-up torque is handled on your deck. It could be the motor, drive circuit or clutch or the previous owner swapped the gear idler assembly from the DR-2 and put it in a rubber idler deck to upgrade it, but, since the DR-2 is a 3-head deck it unlikely that someone would do that. Usually the CR-1, CR-2 and DR-3 are the gear idler donors. SJ --- "packratt at erols.com" wrote: > What degaussing supplies do I need and where do I get them? > > I cleaned the pinch rollers and shoe last night and it is still > eating the > tapes. Unless they were wet the rubber pinch rollers remained dull > in color. > > It is almost like once the majority of a tape gets onto the takeup > capstan > the speed drops on that one while the other one keeps turning at > the > original rate. The loop of tape is always on the takeup side > between the > takeup side pinch roller and takeup capstan. The loop of tape comes > through > the opening in the cassette closest to the edge of the tape. > > > Le > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Alex Cozac alexcozac at hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:39:41 +0000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] US Service center recommendation wanted > > > Dear LE! > > Scott, is an a very serious erudite on Naks maintenance...do 100% > exactly > what he advices you...& your deck will perform well again...DON'T > forget to > degauss extremely well & cautiously the heads and all circa the > heads! > > Post us your results...after that you finish such care!...Thanks!!! > > ALEX! > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: packratt at erols.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] US Service center recomendation wanted > >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Clean the rubber pinch rollers really really well. Straight > alcohol > >will be fine, but, don't use anything less than 90%. Don't use > any > >rubber rejuvinator chemicals. A friend brought me his MR-1 and it > >sounded pretty bad high frequency roll off that went in and out. > The > >pinch rollers looked aweful. I cleaned them and it played fine > after > >that. While you're at it clean the plastic tape guide too (you > >already said you cleaned the metal parts and the head so you don't > >have to do them again). > > > >SJ > > > >--- "packratt at erols.com" wrote: > > > > > Just picked up a DR-2 from a pawn shop. Externally it is in > very > > > good to > > > excellent shape. I don't have anything to compare it to but it > > > sounds great > > > also. > > > > > > The problem I'm having is it will play about 3/4 a tape then > start > > > eating > > > it on the side it is unspooling from (loop of loose tape is on > the > > > right > > > facing the machine). I can take the slack back up and start > playing > > > again > > > within a few seconds it will eat it again. Put a fresh tape in > or > > > rewind it > > > and it will play most of the tape fine then start eating. > > > > > > I've cleaned all the metal parts and heads but I don't have any > > > rubber > > > cleaner (or know a place locally to get it) to clean the pinch > > > rollers. > > > > > > Any guess as to what is causing the problem? > > > > > > Where should I send it for repairs? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Le > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 17:22:56 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050815152256.292.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The BX-300 and ZX-7 are both excellent decks. The BX-300 uses the cheaper, but, still excellent Sankyo transport. The BX-300 will have the rubber idler take up hub drive and will need replacing every couple years, but, the part is under a buck. The ZX-7 uses the more rugged classic transport and has front panel adjustable record bias and level for all three tape types like the Dragon, this is a must if you want to get the best quality recording on any tape type. The ZX-7 has user adjustable Record head azimuth which is great for getting the record adjusted to the playback head for Recording. The Dragons claim to fame is the automatically adjustable Playback head azimuth for getting the most while Playing a tape (I don't believe the playback head automatically adjusts to the record head during recording, I think it goes back to a preset point) If you just want a Nak, any deck is going to be excellent. If you don't mind doing a little repair work yourself you can probably pick up a BX-300 pretty cheap that has the idler problem. Although my recommendation would be the ZX-7 for it's excellent record capability. That's not to say that the it's better than the Dragon. I think they are actually equal in that regards. It's that the Dragon is more expensive and more complex (possibly making it less reliable). SJ --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Hello, > I hope I'm using this forum correct, I think of buying a bx300 or a > ZX7, I > don't like the idea of reverse decks, so no Dragon I think. But I > do want to > play back my tapes recorded on my Denon DRM11, who is still ok. Is > the > automatic azimuth feature of the Dragon something to think about or > should I > just look for a nice 300BX or ZX7? I also would like tio hear good > reasons > why to buy one or the other. > The main reason I want to buy a Nak, is just to have one. I > couldn't buy one > in the eightys, so no I want to make up. > > Regards, > > Piet > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 17:27:51 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 In-Reply-To: <1123838821.28914.240537183@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20050815152751.13229.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The DR-8 is an excellent deck, but, I wouldn't pay that much for it. I would pay the extra $30 and get the DR-10 that that seller also has up for auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5798872929&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores The DR-8 is only 2-head. The DR-10 is 3. In the DR-10 has separate heads, one optimized for playback and one optimized for record. SJ --- vikingdude at mailcan.com wrote: > I was thinking of getting this one if the price don't go too high > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-DR-8-2-Head-cassette-deck-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ5798320929QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > What do you guys think of the DR-8? And how much would you pay for > it? > > Also, think I read somewhere that tapes recorded on naks don't > sound as > good on other decks is this true? > I'm mostly going to record tapes that will be played back on other > machines, most of these machines will probably be mediocre decks > and > boom boxes. > -- > > vikingdude at mailcan.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thole at wxs.nl Mon Aug 15 22:43:33 2005 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:43:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <20050815152256.292.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I was thinking about a rather pricy ZX7 om Ebay last night, but I let it pass. May Be nexttime. Regards! Pieter -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens Scott Johnson Verzonden: maandag 15 augustus 2005 17:23 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi The BX-300 and ZX-7 are both excellent decks. The BX-300 uses the cheaper, but, still excellent Sankyo transport. The BX-300 will have the rubber idler take up hub drive and will need replacing every couple years, but, the part is under a buck. The ZX-7 uses the more rugged classic transport and has front panel adjustable record bias and level for all three tape types like the Dragon, this is a must if you want to get the best quality recording on any tape type. The ZX-7 has user adjustable Record head azimuth which is great for getting the record adjusted to the playback head for Recording. The Dragons claim to fame is the automatically adjustable Playback head azimuth for getting the most while Playing a tape (I don't believe the playback head automatically adjusts to the record head during recording, I think it goes back to a preset point) If you just want a Nak, any deck is going to be excellent. If you don't mind doing a little repair work yourself you can probably pick up a BX-300 pretty cheap that has the idler problem. Although my recommendation would be the ZX-7 for it's excellent record capability. That's not to say that the it's better than the Dragon. I think they are actually equal in that regards. It's that the Dragon is more expensive and more complex (possibly making it less reliable). SJ --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Hello, > I hope I'm using this forum correct, I think of buying a bx300 or a > ZX7, I > don't like the idea of reverse decks, so no Dragon I think. But I > do want to > play back my tapes recorded on my Denon DRM11, who is still ok. Is > the > automatic azimuth feature of the Dragon something to think about or > should I > just look for a nice 300BX or ZX7? I also would like tio hear good > reasons > why to buy one or the other. > The main reason I want to buy a Nak, is just to have one. I > couldn't buy one > in the eightys, so no I want to make up. > > Regards, > > Piet > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Tue Aug 16 00:12:59 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:12:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR5, ZX7 In-Reply-To: <200508151934.j7FJXYVx030814@zxe.naks.com> References: <200508151934.j7FJXYVx030814@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I have a CR3 I originally bought re-conditioned from Mark Nutter and recently re-calibrated and adjusted and a ZX7 I just had completely modded and re-built by Jeff Galin. I don't know if it's the mods, but the zx7 sounds slightly better to me overall. Music has a little more texture and liveliness with the ZX than with the CR3, I'd describe the CR as crisper and the ZX as warmer. On recording, the ZX wins hands down, however. Live recordings sound absolutely phenomenal, I could hear perfectly every mistake I played! I don't know if the CR5 has the same playback circuit as the CR3, but I would imagine it does better at recording. Istvan's point, that zx7s are more than 20 years old is a good one. As Jeff said of mine, "it's pretty beat." It cost me nearly $1000 to get the work done, but it was done very fast, very professionally and very well (I peeked in the case). But now I feel like I have deck that will run another twenty years. On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:34 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Guerrero" > > To: > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:50 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR5, ZX7,RX505 > > > >> looking f0r information on these model Nakamichis- >> Cr5,Zx7,Rx505.These appear to be a kind of budget alternative to >> the CR7, ZX9, and Dragon, but how do they measure up?. The Zx7 is >> the one most interesting to me as an additon to my Nak >> collection.But how do you rank these units? Cr5 first, Rx505 next, >> and Zx7 last? >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at mikeziegler.com Tue Aug 16 02:23:04 2005 From: mike at mikeziegler.com (Mike Ziegler) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:23:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 azimuth screw Message-ID: <00cf01c5a1f8$ac258ab0$6400a8c0@mike87m0giue0g> Hello folks, Looks like i've worn down my azimuth screw on a Nakamichi DR-8. I was wonder if you guys knew exact what size screw it requires as a replacement and if it's something that can easily be purchased from a computer or hardware store. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mike Z -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Aug 16 10:55:12 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:55:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! References: <20050814105845.93634.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><002f01c5a11d$b8ee5dc0$d2f65651@homeduron1300><006301c5a193$2446a080$42639751@compaq> <001901c5a1a3$a9a1c6a0$634f5651@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <002201c5a240$36ef8280$69f89751@compaq> Thanks Dave (and Paul)! There were a number of Special mods done by the same studio to these machines (probably in man hours and parts, tripling the cost and value of these units)! They were set up primarily for BASF Chrome in the SX position with the SX (70us) button disabled to the EX position of 120us to achieve the best headroom for that tape, wether the guys who set your machine up knew this will depend on the machines performance! (If it was Pauls guys at B&W then you should be OK ) Regards T ----- Original Message ----- From: David Edwards To: Terry Finn ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Hi Terry, I have attached some pictures but I have now received a reply from B&W (Paul Wilkins) and he concurs with your original thoughts. I have cut and pasted his reply below (I'm hoping he won't mind) and as you can see, the bolt is non-standard, as you originally said. Here is Paul's reply: 'The stud is attached to a guide tube inside the machine. This was fitted by the studio who had the machine before you because they needed to adjust the motor speed without removing the top cover or pulling the machines off their rack system. The mod is not a Nakamichi product and has no effect on the performance or operation of the machine.' So all's well. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Finn To: David Edwards Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Can you send a picture? T ----- Original Message ----- From: David Edwards To: terry at affinityaudio.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Are you sure? It takes an 11mm (7/16 in) spanner and there are no calibration marks! I suppose I could take the lid off and look myself but not being technical (I'm ok with car engines but not nearly clever enough for electronics), I don't want to delve where I'm not wanted. On the other hand If you say so, who am I to argue? Do you think it matters if it isn't there, though. Thanks again, David ----- Original Message ----- From: TERRY FINN To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Special moded version done in the uK for ajusting motor \speed! T David Edwards wrote: Hi folks, I have an RX505E with a hole in the back of the case where a stud and self-lock nut stick out on my other 505's. Anyone know what this does and how relevant it is to the operation of the machine. It's just been serviced and I hadn't noticed it wasn't there before it went away, as I hadn't used the machine since I obtained it (cheap). The service dept hadn't replaced the stud and nut, and so I assume it can run ok without whatever it is but I thought I'd ask the experts (that's you). I had always assumed it must anchor the cassette drawer mechanism in some way. 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URL: From sendigitall at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 15:23:58 2005 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] difference between direct ,belt & gear drive In-Reply-To: <200508132046.j7DKjASj028029@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050816132358.42934.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> hi wats the diffrence between direct ,belt & gear drive...in naks.....i think its about the drive mechanism for the reel tables ......i guess dragon had separate motors for each capstain ..is that called direct drive ? this confusion arised ..cause in the naks.com site ..my cassette deck 1.5 is said to have a gear drive ...as far i as i saw into my deck ...i found a motor which drove both the capstains thru a belt and the reel tables had a gear driven by a motor between them ....so i guess when the mention about drive ..its the reel tables ..am i correct ?...some gurus kindly explain ... thanks senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 02:20:09 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] difference between direct ,belt & gear drive In-Reply-To: <20050816132358.42934.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050817002009.41200.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> See replies below --- senthil nathan wrote: > > hi > > wats the diffrence between direct ,belt & gear > drive...in naks.....i think its about the drive mechanism for the > reel tables Not quite. Gear drive refers to the drive for the reel hubs. Direct and belt drive refer to the capstans. > ......i guess dragon had separate motors for each > capstain ..is that called direct drive ? Yes, that is the ultimate direct drive. Most of the time only the take up capstan is directly driven and the supply capstan is driven through a belt. This arrangement is not what is refered to as belt drive, it is still called direct drive. Belt drive is where the take up capstan is belt driven. These deck may or may not have a supply capstan. > > this confusion > arised ..cause in the naks.com site ..my cassette deck 1.5 is said > to have a gear drive ...as far i as i saw into my deck ...i found a > motor which drove both the capstains thru a belt and the reel > tables had a gear driven by a motor between them ....so i guess > when the mention about drive ..its the reel tables ..am i correct > ?...some gurus kindly explain ... Yup. That's right. > > thanks > > senthil > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 22:33:17 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050816203317.89098.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> I have a ZX-7 and a RX-505. They are both wonderful machines...for recording the ZX-7 can not be beat if you like precise adjustment controls. The RX-505 is an excellent playback machine sounds fantastic. I also have an LX-5 and it records and plays back almost as well as the other two. I think it depends on what you want your recorder to do. I think the LX-5's are very under rated. John --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Thanks! > I was thinking about a rather pricy ZX7 om Ebay last > night, but I let it > pass. > May Be nexttime. > > Regards! > > Pieter > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens > Scott Johnson > Verzonden: maandag 15 augustus 2005 17:23 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi > > > The BX-300 and ZX-7 are both excellent decks. The > BX-300 uses the > cheaper, but, still excellent Sankyo transport. The > BX-300 will have > the rubber idler take up hub drive and will need > replacing every > couple years, but, the part is under a buck. The > ZX-7 uses the more > rugged classic transport and has front panel > adjustable record bias > and level for all three tape types like the Dragon, > this is a must if > you want to get the best quality recording on any > tape type. The > ZX-7 has user adjustable Record head azimuth which > is great for > getting the record adjusted to the playback head for > Recording. The > Dragons claim to fame is the automatically > adjustable Playback head > azimuth for getting the most while Playing a tape (I > don't believe > the playback head automatically adjusts to the > record head during > recording, I think it goes back to a preset point) > > If you just want a Nak, any deck is going to be > excellent. If you > don't mind doing a little repair work yourself you > can probably pick > up a BX-300 pretty cheap that has the idler problem. > Although my > recommendation would be the ZX-7 for it's excellent > record > capability. That's not to say that the it's better > than the Dragon. > I think they are actually equal in that regards. > It's that the > Dragon is more expensive and more complex (possibly > making it less > reliable). > > SJ > > > > --- Pieter Thole wrote: > > > Hello, > > I hope I'm using this forum correct, I think of > buying a bx300 or a > > ZX7, I > > don't like the idea of reverse decks, so no Dragon > I think. But I > > do want to > > play back my tapes recorded on my Denon DRM11, who > is still ok. Is > > the > > automatic azimuth feature of the Dragon something > to think about or > > should I > > just look for a nice 300BX or ZX7? I also would > like tio hear good > > reasons > > why to buy one or the other. > > The main reason I want to buy a Nak, is just to > have one. I > > couldn't buy one > > in the eightys, so no I want to make up. > > > > Regards, > > > > Piet > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 22:52:08 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682 zx Auto Azmith Control In-Reply-To: <20050816132358.42934.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050816205208.59694.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why my 682zx does not preform the Auto Azimuth function. You can hear the motor running, but the flashing red light never goes out until I hit the Stop function. It plays and records just fine... I have had a couple of different techs look at it, but no one has been able to diagnose the problem. Thanks, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Aug 17 07:41:11 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 1:41:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series Message-ID: <20050817054111.ZIGN21289.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I've been seeing quite a few RX505's come aboard the eBay auctions and I remember reading about those units here on Navtalk. It is my understanding that the RX505 is a baby Dragon, is this true or accurate? I also read here that the ZX7/9 decks also offer considerable sonic pleasure to their owners. I'm rather curious here because the Dragon and CR7 seem to be at the tops of the list but those that own several Naks sing the praises of the RX/ZX series and consider them to be very close to the CR series. I'm having a hard time justifying spending 600-800 for a cassette deck when a $300 RX505 would equal the performance. Comments? From ti at amb.org Wed Aug 17 22:12:50 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series In-Reply-To: <20050817054111.ZIGN21289.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20050817201250.7D45A17DC2@smtp.amb.org> rjlbjk at cox.net writes: > It is my understanding that the RX505 is a baby Dragon, is this > true or accurate? Well, both are auto-reverse, but the RX505 does it by mechanicaly flipping the tape around. It does not have the Dragon's NAAC system, nor the double-direct drive motors. The Dragon has bias/level calibration system with independent controls for each tape type, the RX505 doesn't. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 23:15:44 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series In-Reply-To: <20050817054111.ZIGN21289.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20050817211544.43564.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Dragon name seems a good eye catcher whenever Nakamichi Cassette recorders are offered on ebay. I have seen even CR 1 sometimes refrred to as mini dragon by clever Ebay sellers! If I were to buy a Nak - i would prefer Nak with Old Nak mechanism - because it is sturdier and the motors function without major problems - Only need to stack up some belts. Need generally Orange Cap replacement. Also I will prefer - Bias / Level adjustment facility if I need to record, Decks like 582 /581/682/ ZX 7/9 series are very good. I would like ZX 7/9 over the others as they are relatively in better shape and are later decks. If I have large number of Chrome blank tapes of one particular make and may not record many but use the recorder to play- I can choose non calibrating type - like LX /RX 505/ 670 /660/680 - In this case RX 505 has an advantage of Auto reverse without sacrificing any of nak' superior recording / replay capabilities. RX 505 can hold its head against many naks because of this unique tape reversing mech. All these may require alignment and may require sme repair because of Orange Cap problems. CR series decks are relatively newer and has week mode cam motors. From my experience CR5 does not offer any great advantage over other BX /CR series 3 heads. I would prefer CR4A as it has added calibration facility. Next to CR 7 - I think CR 4 is the best later day Nak cassette deck. RX 505 may be a good choice if you are prepared to spend some additional money on alignment and belt replacement. Kannan rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: I've been seeing quite a few RX505's come aboard the eBay auctions and I remember reading about those units here on Navtalk. It is my understanding that the RX505 is a baby Dragon, is this true or accurate? I also read here that the ZX7/9 decks also offer considerable sonic pleasure to their owners. I'm rather curious here because the Dragon and CR7 seem to be at the tops of the list but those that own several Naks sing the praises of the RX/ZX series and consider them to be very close to the CR series. I'm having a hard time justifying spending 600-800 for a cassette deck when a $300 RX505 would equal the performance. Comments? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 16:56:34 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony metal master 90 min tapes - about 30 available Message-ID: <20050818145634.74313.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi if anybody interested in Sony metal master tape 90 min - can contact me if interested within a week. I am planning to dispose of this excess blank tapes within next week thanks and contact me off - list ( kannans at questam.com) kannan --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Aug 17 22:07:08 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:07:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr4 In-Reply-To: <20050816205208.59694.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050816132358.42934.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> <20050816205208.59694.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050817160622.01ad2da8@psulias.psu.edu> Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one in person or for sale. Sounds like a cool deck. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Wed Aug 17 22:18:25 2005 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi Message-ID: <"USAMAML01-050817201711Z-487063*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> How do you all rate the LX-3? I have one, not currently working, but for years it was very solid. Didn't capture 100% of a source when recording, but quite good. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of john_194600 at yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi Importance: Low I have a ZX-7 and a RX-505. They are both wonderful machines...for recording the ZX-7 can not be beat if you like precise adjustment controls. The RX-505 is an excellent playback machine sounds fantastic. I also have an LX-5 and it records and plays back almost as well as the other two. I think it depends on what you want your recorder to do. I think the LX-5's are very under rated. John --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Thanks! > I was thinking about a rather pricy ZX7 om Ebay last > night, but I let it > pass. > May Be nexttime. > > Regards! > > Pieter > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens > Scott Johnson > Verzonden: maandag 15 augustus 2005 17:23 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi > > > The BX-300 and ZX-7 are both excellent decks. The > BX-300 uses the > cheaper, but, still excellent Sankyo transport. The > BX-300 will have > the rubber idler take up hub drive and will need > replacing every > couple years, but, the part is under a buck. The > ZX-7 uses the more > rugged classic transport and has front panel > adjustable record bias > and level for all three tape types like the Dragon, > this is a must if > you want to get the best quality recording on any > tape type. The > ZX-7 has user adjustable Record head azimuth which > is great for > getting the record adjusted to the playback head for > Recording. The > Dragons claim to fame is the automatically > adjustable Playback head > azimuth for getting the most while Playing a tape (I > don't believe > the playback head automatically adjusts to the > record head during > recording, I think it goes back to a preset point) > > If you just want a Nak, any deck is going to be > excellent. If you > don't mind doing a little repair work yourself you > can probably pick > up a BX-300 pretty cheap that has the idler problem. > Although my > recommendation would be the ZX-7 for it's excellent > record > capability. That's not to say that the it's better > than the Dragon. > I think they are actually equal in that regards. > It's that the > Dragon is more expensive and more complex (possibly > making it less > reliable). > > SJ > > > > --- Pieter Thole wrote: > > > Hello, > > I hope I'm using this forum correct, I think of > buying a bx300 or a > > ZX7, I > > don't like the idea of reverse decks, so no Dragon > I think. But I > > do want to > > play back my tapes recorded on my Denon DRM11, who > is still ok. Is > > the > > automatic azimuth feature of the Dragon something > to think about or > > should I > > just look for a nice 300BX or ZX7? I also would > like tio hear good > > reasons > > why to buy one or the other. > > The main reason I want to buy a Nak, is just to > have one. I > > couldn't buy one > > in the eightys, so no I want to make up. > > > > Regards, > > > > Piet > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thole at wxs.nl Wed Aug 17 23:09:00 2005 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:09:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <20050816203317.89098.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks! Regards, Pieter -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens John Verzonden: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 22:33 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi I have a ZX-7 and a RX-505. They are both wonderful machines...for recording the ZX-7 can not be beat if you like precise adjustment controls. The RX-505 is an excellent playback machine sounds fantastic. I also have an LX-5 and it records and plays back almost as well as the other two. I think it depends on what you want your recorder to do. I think the LX-5's are very under rated. John --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Thanks! > I was thinking about a rather pricy ZX7 om Ebay last > night, but I let it > pass. > May Be nexttime. > > Regards! > > Pieter > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens > Scott Johnson > Verzonden: maandag 15 augustus 2005 17:23 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi > > > The BX-300 and ZX-7 are both excellent decks. The > BX-300 uses the > cheaper, but, still excellent Sankyo transport. The > BX-300 will have > the rubber idler take up hub drive and will need > replacing every > couple years, but, the part is under a buck. The > ZX-7 uses the more > rugged classic transport and has front panel > adjustable record bias > and level for all three tape types like the Dragon, > this is a must if > you want to get the best quality recording on any > tape type. The > ZX-7 has user adjustable Record head azimuth which > is great for > getting the record adjusted to the playback head for > Recording. The > Dragons claim to fame is the automatically > adjustable Playback head > azimuth for getting the most while Playing a tape (I > don't believe > the playback head automatically adjusts to the > record head during > recording, I think it goes back to a preset point) > > If you just want a Nak, any deck is going to be > excellent. If you > don't mind doing a little repair work yourself you > can probably pick > up a BX-300 pretty cheap that has the idler problem. > Although my > recommendation would be the ZX-7 for it's excellent > record > capability. That's not to say that the it's better > than the Dragon. > I think they are actually equal in that regards. > It's that the > Dragon is more expensive and more complex (possibly > making it less > reliable). > > SJ > > > > --- Pieter Thole wrote: > > > Hello, > > I hope I'm using this forum correct, I think of > buying a bx300 or a > > ZX7, I > > don't like the idea of reverse decks, so no Dragon > I think. But I > > do want to > > play back my tapes recorded on my Denon DRM11, who > is still ok. Is > > the > > automatic azimuth feature of the Dragon something > to think about or > > should I > > just look for a nice 300BX or ZX7? I also would > like tio hear good > > reasons > > why to buy one or the other. > > The main reason I want to buy a Nak, is just to > have one. I > > couldn't buy one > > in the eightys, so no I want to make up. > > > > Regards, > > > > Piet > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 18 00:12:34 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:12:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series In-Reply-To: <20050817054111.ZIGN21289.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <001a01c5a378$c4ed0d80$47ba87d9@oemcomputer> As a ZX-9 owner I DO feel the machine is a great recorder and an excellent playback machine. Whether or not it is the most accurate playback machine is more debatable. If you go by technical measurements, and some peoples' ears, the CR-7 is probably more accurate. But then, the most accurate amps or speakers are not necessarily the most pleasant to listen to ... The CR series followed after the ZX series and were allegedly an improvement. However, I passed on a CR-7 for my ZX-9; but then, my ZX-9 is not a stock one, it's been modified to improve its recording performance. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net > Sent: 17 August 2005 06:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series > > > I've been seeing quite a few RX505's come aboard the eBay > auctions and I remember reading about those units here on Navtalk. > > It is my understanding that the RX505 is a baby Dragon, is this > true or accurate? > > I also read here that the ZX7/9 decks also offer considerable > sonic pleasure to their owners. > > I'm rather curious here because the Dragon and CR7 seem to be at > the tops of the list but those that own several Naks sing the > praises of the RX/ZX series and consider them to be very close to > the CR series. > > I'm having a hard time justifying spending 600-800 for a cassette > deck when a $300 RX505 would equal the performance. > > Comments? > > > From pawel at bartuzi.org Thu Aug 18 01:40:35 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:40:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes Message-ID: <4303CAF3.1070107@bartuzi.org> I just bought Cassette Deck 1 with the intention of playing old cassettes recorded on other decks. The idea proved to be good as Cassette Deck 1 azimuth correction is very effective in improving high frequency sound and "liveliness" of these old recordings. I found that my Cassette Decks generally agrees with my BX-300E on the azimuth alignment (tapes recorded on BX-300E and played on Cassette Deck 1 sound best when azimuth correction is set to neutral) however playing BX-300E tapes my Cassette Deck 1 sounds brighter and has more high frequency sound. I don't know whether it is a matter of differences between models or just the BX is not calibrated properly (it looks quite used compared to the Cassette Deck 1)... I thought about getting BX-300E checked and calibrated professionally and learned that generally it cannot be done (even by professional) without calibration tapes. Are such tapes available anywhere? Also, does anybody have any manual for Cassette Deck 1 and would be willing to share? Pawel From ggott at depaul.edu Thu Aug 18 19:35:36 2005 From: ggott at depaul.edu (Gil Gott) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:35:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi Message-ID: I agree regarding the LX-5 being underrated. I've got one that's a bit noisy however. In play mode, the motor is clearly audible unless volume is up. Have you/others notices this with the LX-5? Or is mine in need of service? >>> john_194600 at yahoo.com 08/16/05 3:33 PM >>> I have a ZX-7 and a RX-505. They are both wonderful machines...for recording the ZX-7 can not be beat if you like precise adjustment controls. The RX-505 is an excellent playback machine sounds fantastic. I also have an LX-5 and it records and plays back almost as well as the other two. I think it depends on what you want your recorder to do. I think the LX-5's are very under rated. John --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Thanks! > I was thinking about a rather pricy ZX7 om Ebay last > night, but I let it > pass. > May Be nexttime. > > Regards! > > Pieter > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens > Scott Johnson > Verzonden: maandag 15 augustus 2005 17:23 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] I want a Nakamichi > > > The BX-300 and ZX-7 are both excellent decks. The > BX-300 uses the > cheaper, but, still excellent Sankyo transport. The > BX-300 will have > the rubber idler take up hub drive and will need > replacing every > couple years, but, the part is under a buck. The > ZX-7 uses the more > rugged classic transport and has front panel > adjustable record bias > and level for all three tape types like the Dragon, > this is a must if > you want to get the best quality recording on any > tape type. The > ZX-7 has user adjustable Record head azimuth which > is great for > getting the record adjusted to the playback head for > Recording. The > Dragons claim to fame is the automatically > adjustable Playback head > azimuth for getting the most while Playing a tape (I > don't believe > the playback head automatically adjusts to the > record head during > recording, I think it goes back to a preset point) > > If you just want a Nak, any deck is going to be > excellent. If you > don't mind doing a little repair work yourself you > can probably pick > up a BX-300 pretty cheap that has the idler problem. > Although my > recommendation would be the ZX-7 for it's excellent > record > capability. That's not to say that the it's better > than the Dragon. > I think they are actually equal in that regards. > It's that the > Dragon is more expensive and more complex (possibly > making it less > reliable). > > SJ > > > > --- Pieter Thole wrote: > > > Hello, > > I hope I'm using this forum correct, I think of > buying a bx300 or a > > ZX7, I > > don't like the idea of reverse decks, so no Dragon > I think. But I > > do want to > > play back my tapes recorded on my Denon DRM11, who > is still ok. Is > > the > > automatic azimuth feature of the Dragon something > to think about or > > should I > > just look for a nice 300BX or ZX7? I also would > like tio hear good > > reasons > > why to buy one or the other. > > The main reason I want to buy a Nak, is just to > have one. I > > couldn't buy one > > in the eightys, so no I want to make up. > > > > Regards, > > > > Piet > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pawel at bartuzi.org Thu Aug 18 21:30:44 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:30:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes Message-ID: <4304E1E4.9000805@bartuzi.org> I've sent this message yesterday; as it didn't appear on the list I'm sending it again. --- I just bought Cassette Deck 1 with the intention of playing old cassettes recorded on other decks. The idea proved to be good as Cassette Deck 1 azimuth correction is very effective in improving high frequency sound and "liveliness" of these old recordings. I found that my Cassette Decks generally agrees with my BX-300E on the azimuth alignment (tapes recorded on BX-300E and played on Cassette Deck 1 sound best when azimuth correction is set to neutral) however playing BX-300E tapes my Cassette Deck 1 sounds brighter and has more high frequency sound. I don't know whether it is a matter of differences between models or just the BX is not calibrated properly (it looks quite used compared to the Cassette Deck 1)... I thought about getting BX-300E checked and calibrated professionally and learned that generally it cannot be done (even by professional) without calibration tapes. Are such tapes available anywhere? Also, does anybody have any manual for Cassette Deck 1 and would be willing to share? Pawel From pawel at bartuzi.org Thu Aug 18 21:33:57 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:33:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes Message-ID: <4304E2A5.4010603@bartuzi.org> I've sent this message yesterday; as it didn't appear on the list I'm sending it again. --- I just bought Cassette Deck 1 with the intention of playing old cassettes recorded on other decks. The idea proved to be good as Cassette Deck 1 azimuth correction is very effective in improving high frequency sound and "liveliness" of these old recordings. I found that my Cassette Decks generally agrees with my BX-300E on the azimuth alignment (tapes recorded on BX-300E and played on Cassette Deck 1 sound best when azimuth correction is set to neutral) however playing BX-300E tapes my Cassette Deck 1 sounds brighter and has more high frequency sound. I don't know whether it is a matter of differences between models or just the BX is not calibrated properly (it looks quite used compared to the Cassette Deck 1)... I thought about getting BX-300E checked and calibrated professionally and learned that generally it cannot be done (even by professional) without calibration tapes. Are such tapes available anywhere? Also, does anybody have any manual for Cassette Deck 1 and would be willing to share? Pawel From pawel at bartuzi.org Thu Aug 18 21:48:12 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:48:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes Message-ID: <4304E5FC.2050507@bartuzi.org> I just bought Cassette Deck 1 with the intention of playing old cassettes recorded on other decks. The idea proved to be good as Cassette Deck 1 azimuth correction is very effective in improving high frequency sound and "liveliness" of these old recordings. I've heard about motor problem on these decks. Today, after few days of fine work the capstan motor didn't start after powering the deck on (so when hitting play autostop was switching the play off). After several on and offs the motor started spinning the capstans and the deck plays just fine. Is it a syndrome of failing motor or can phenomenon like this just happen in a belt driven deck? I didn't open the deck yet so I don't know whether it has Matsushita or Sankyo motor inside. Pawel From ti at amb.org Thu Aug 18 22:10:15 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <4304E2A5.4010603@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20050818201016.147A217DBD@smtp.amb.org> Pawel Bartuzi writes: > I've sent this message yesterday; as it didn't appear on the list I'm > sending it again. The list seems to send messages only in batches at certain times, it may not resend your message immediately. Don't keep resending... -Ti From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 23:20:56 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr4 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050817160622.01ad2da8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20050818212056.25600.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Derrick I have a CR4A and I know Robert Kent has one too which I aligned and calibrated. It has Direct Drive capstan motor like the CR 7/CR5 or BX300 . Additionally it has Bias / level calibration facility for tape types. Very good recorder too. If you are not far from Allentown - you can visit me and have a peek at it as well kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one in person or for sale. Sounds like a cool deck. 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Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ramvem at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 22:17:26 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:17:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <4304E5FC.2050507@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: Let me know if you find something. I have shelved mine because of a similar problem (still have my trusty lx-3). Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) ----Original Message Follows---- From: Pawel Bartuzi Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, BX-300E and calibration tapes Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:48:12 +0200 I just bought Cassette Deck 1 with the intention of playing old cassettes recorded on other decks. The idea proved to be good as Cassette Deck 1 azimuth correction is very effective in improving high frequency sound and "liveliness" of these old recordings. I've heard about motor problem on these decks. Today, after few days of fine work the capstan motor didn't start after powering the deck on (so when hitting play autostop was switching the play off). After several on and offs the motor started spinning the capstans and the deck plays just fine. Is it a syndrome of failing motor or can phenomenon like this just happen in a belt driven deck? I didn't open the deck yet so I don't know whether it has Matsushita or Sankyo motor inside. Pawel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Aug 18 22:56:33 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:56:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr4 Message-ID: <20050818205634.QDSW12628.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Derrick, Until a few days ago when someone responded to my query, I never knew they even made one! Anyway, here's an auction on eBay and yes, they must be rather rare because this is about the 3rd one I've seen in a year. No, I'm not the seller but I just might bid on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR-4A-CASSETTE-DECK-RARE_W0QQitemZ5800019724QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > From: Derrick Beckner > Date: 2005/08/17 Wed PM 04:07:08 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] cr4 > > Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one in person > or for sale. > Sounds like a cool deck. > > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Aug 18 23:07:05 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:07:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series Message-ID: <20050818210706.PXVK24356.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Gra' You kind of, sort of, almost answered what I really needed to know. CR-7 are approaching figures of 600-750 and Dragons are a little north of those figures. Do you know what the 80/20 rule is in engineering? It just means that you'll spend 80% of the money solving the remaining 20% of the problems. So, relating this rule to the purchase of a used cassette deck, $400 for a ZX family deck or $250 for a nice BX300 would bring the most value to me over $800 for a Dragon. Certainly if money weren't a problem, I'd buy one of each model! Thanks for your input. > > From: "Nelson" > Date: 2005/08/17 Wed PM 06:12:34 EDT > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series > > As a ZX-9 owner I DO feel the machine is a great recorder and an excellent > playback machine. Whether or not it is the most accurate playback machine > is more debatable. If you go by technical measurements, and some peoples' > ears, the CR-7 is probably more accurate. But then, the most accurate amps > or speakers are not necessarily the most pleasant to listen to ... > > The CR series followed after the ZX series and were allegedly an > improvement. However, I passed on a CR-7 for my ZX-9; but then, my ZX-9 is > not a stock one, it's been modified to improve its recording performance. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net > > Sent: 17 August 2005 06:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] RX505 or the CR series > > > > > > I've been seeing quite a few RX505's come aboard the eBay > > auctions and I remember reading about those units here on Navtalk. > > > > It is my understanding that the RX505 is a baby Dragon, is this > > true or accurate? > > > > I also read here that the ZX7/9 decks also offer considerable > > sonic pleasure to their owners. > > > > I'm rather curious here because the Dragon and CR7 seem to be at > > the tops of the list but those that own several Naks sing the > > praises of the RX/ZX series and consider them to be very close to > > the CR series. > > > > I'm having a hard time justifying spending 600-800 for a cassette > > deck when a $300 RX505 would equal the performance. > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Roland From pawel at bartuzi.org Thu Aug 18 23:11:34 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:11:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Ough! I am so sorry! Message-ID: <4304F986.5050309@bartuzi.org> Please accept my I apologies for multiple postings - I promise to be more patient in a future. Pawel From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Fri Aug 19 01:24:59 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:24:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! References: <20050814105845.93634.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><002f01c5a11d$b8ee5dc0$d2f65651@homeduron1300><006301c5a193$2446a080$42639751@compaq><001901c5a1a3$a9a1c6a0$634f5651@homeduron1300> <002201c5a240$36ef8280$69f89751@compaq> Message-ID: <007d01c5a44c$0dea3610$d4eb5651@homeduron1300> Yes it was B&W who serviced both my 505's and I'm very pleased with the results. I presume it is because they have been so 'targeted' in their setting up that the few recordings I have made on some TDK MX metal tapes have not been as impressive as the usual chrome ones. I'm not too bothered though as I only have one or two MX's. Thanks for the valuable info Terry, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Finn To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Thanks Dave (and Paul)! There were a number of Special mods done by the same studio to these machines (probably in man hours and parts, tripling the cost and value of these units)! They were set up primarily for BASF Chrome in the SX position with the SX (70us) button disabled to the EX position of 120us to achieve the best headroom for that tape, wether the guys who set your machine up knew this will depend on the machines performance! (If it was Pauls guys at B&W then you should be OK ) Regards T ----- Original Message ----- From: David Edwards To: Terry Finn ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Hi Terry, I have attached some pictures but I have now received a reply from B&W (Paul Wilkins) and he concurs with your original thoughts. I have cut and pasted his reply below (I'm hoping he won't mind) and as you can see, the bolt is non-standard, as you originally said. Here is Paul's reply: 'The stud is attached to a guide tube inside the machine. This was fitted by the studio who had the machine before you because they needed to adjust the motor speed without removing the top cover or pulling the machines off their rack system. The mod is not a Nakamichi product and has no effect on the performance or operation of the machine.' So all's well. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Finn To: David Edwards Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Can you send a picture? T ----- Original Message ----- From: David Edwards To: terry at affinityaudio.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Are you sure? It takes an 11mm (7/16 in) spanner and there are no calibration marks! I suppose I could take the lid off and look myself but not being technical (I'm ok with car engines but not nearly clever enough for electronics), I don't want to delve where I'm not wanted. On the other hand If you say so, who am I to argue? Do you think it matters if it isn't there, though. Thanks again, David ----- Original Message ----- From: TERRY FINN To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505E Missing a bolt! Special moded version done in the uK for ajusting motor \speed! T David Edwards wrote: Hi folks, I have an RX505E with a hole in the back of the case where a stud and self-lock nut stick out on my other 505's. Anyone know what this does and how relevant it is to the operation of the machine. It's just been serviced and I hadn't noticed it wasn't there before it went away, as I hadn't used the machine since I obtained it (cheap). The service dept hadn't replaced the stud and nut, and so I assume it can run ok without whatever it is but I thought I'd ask the experts (that's you). I had always assumed it must anchor the cassette drawer mechanism in some way. 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Item code: MAX XLII90-2PK. Damn that's cheap. enjoy, Fred From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Aug 19 03:59:53 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:59:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Message-ID: <001601c5a461$b11c92f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Derrick, Yes, I have a CR-4 and it is a very nice machine in a compact package. Kannan calibrated mine for me some time ago, and although I use it primarily as a playback machine, for that use, it performs as well as my CR-5 and my CR-7 (but not my Dragon, 670ZX or 682ZX) It is roughly the same size as the CR-3 whereas the CR-5 is the same size as the CR-7. The CR-4 has recording Bias and Level front panel manual calibration capability that is very nice (the CR-3 and CR-5 only have Bias fine tune). It also has 'direct' drive to the take-up capstan whereas the CR-3 is belt drive to both capstans. Other than those two features, it is essentially the same as the CR-3. I would say the CR-4 would be slightly preferable to the CR-5 for features and compactness. The only drawback to it is the small reel hub idler tire issue common to the CR-4, 5 and 7, but the idlers are cheap and easy to change. I did a gear upgrade on my CR-5 which requires a little bit of skill.....I may do my CR-4 some time as well. Robert Kent Derrick wrote: Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one in person or for sale. Sounds like a cool deck. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Aug 19 04:15:53 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:15:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement belts Message-ID: <200508182216_MC3-1-A767-261B@compuserve.com> Hi Pooh, I have posted the replacement belt info for Nak 700 some time ago. This is a DOS program (does not run on my new PC) and has a list for PRB-line brand belts. The tape decks in the list are pre 1982 models. There are also lists for vcr's and turntables but not sure about cd's. I will check it once I get the old PC running. Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:08:38 +0000 From: "winnie pooh" Subject: [naktalk] Replacement belts To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, Some time ago I remember someone posting contact details for replacement rubber belts. Well, I am now in need of replacement rubber belts! Not for my home Naks, but for my car MTD1 and also for my Marantz CD94 CD player which uses the Philips CDM 1 laser mechanism. The Nak MTD1 just uses one very long, thin rubber belt but the Marantz CD94 loading tray uses 4 rubber belts of different width and lengths. If anyone can help, I would be very grateful. Thanks! < From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Aug 19 04:31:37 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:31:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <000601c5a466$2007d1d0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Regarding the RX-505, it is a wonderful machine if properly adjusted and calibrated. It uses the Nakamichi transport, rather than the Sankyo. When I got mine, it was out of alignment and was curling tape edges. I sent it to ESL for a re-build, and they did a wonderful job. Performance-wise, it is similar to my 670ZX and 682ZX. It is my primary playback machine now, and the convenience of the auto-reverse is hard to overstate. The flip around feature for the uni-directional auto-reverse is fun to watch, but also very practical in terms of consistent record and palyback. The only disadvantage I find with this deck is that with the tape path inverted, cleaning the heads, pinch rollers, etc. is a real pain.....especially if your set-up has the machine below waist level as mine does. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Fri Aug 19 20:42:11 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:42:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to identify the capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1? Message-ID: <43062803.2080700@bartuzi.org> How can I recognize which manufacturer's capstan motor do I have in my Cassette Deck 1? The motor has no Nakamichi name on it, it is grey with pink sticker where it is written: SHE2L 55-0Z11A Regards, Pawel From pawel at bartuzi.org Fri Aug 19 20:59:15 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:59:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to identify the capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - a Kenwood one? Message-ID: <43062C03.6060306@bartuzi.org> Googling for "SHE2L" (it is written on my deck's capstan motor) I found following information on http://www.nationalpartsupply.com/NPS/NPS/kenwood.htm site: Kenwood KEN SHE2L (L5) Motor (Dc 1.77W 1/430Hp) Kx6x Looks like my deck's motor has broken years ago and somebody swapped Matsushita motor to a Kenwood one. Do you think it is safe (for logic board etc) to run that motor or should I look for Nakamichi-Sankyo equivalent? Regards, Pawel From lukeabrazi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 21:12:48 2005 From: lukeabrazi at yahoo.com (henry wilbczek) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A/CR-4A cam mode motor problem Message-ID: <20050819191248.13305.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> I have both models, CR-3A and CR-4A and have been told the cam mode motors have gone bad on both. The tech who's looked at them has been around 30 years and seems to really know his stuff, but he's reluctant to take them apart and decarbonize. He's trying other options first, like revving up the volts on the motor. Any thoughts on what I should do? I bought them both used and they are in excellent condition, just have'nt been used much in recent years. After I started using them they both conked out after only 10-15 hours of recording. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From j.doupe at btinternet.com Fri Aug 19 15:34:07 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:34:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cr4 References: <20050816132358.42934.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com><20050816205208.59694.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050817160622.01ad2da8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <002101c5a4c2$acd925d0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Derrick, Try looking on the following website, it lists all the Nakamichi Decks ever made along with their spec details. www.naks.com and click on NAKS in the left hand column, then choose the range of decks you wish to view. Jonathan (Southport UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] cr4 > Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one in > person or for sale. > Sounds like a cool deck. > > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 00:17:58 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to identify the capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - a Kenwood one? In-Reply-To: <43062C03.6060306@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20050819221758.51711.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From those specs there is no way to tell what voltage the motor is supose to run on. If it's a 12V motor then it should be fine. If it's lower than 10V then it may draw too much current and damage the drive circuit. SJ --- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > Googling for "SHE2L" (it is written on my deck's capstan motor) I > found > following information on > http://www.nationalpartsupply.com/NPS/NPS/kenwood.htm site: > > Kenwood KEN SHE2L (L5) Motor (Dc 1.77W 1/430Hp) Kx6x > > Looks like my deck's motor has broken years ago and somebody > swapped > Matsushita motor to a Kenwood one. Do you think it is safe (for > logic > board etc) to run that motor or should I look for Nakamichi-Sankyo > equivalent? > > Regards, > Pawel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 00:24:01 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 In-Reply-To: <001601c5a461$b11c92f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20050819222401.34928.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert, You are sure the CR-4 uses the rubber idler? I thought that the only CR-series decks to use the rubber tire idler were the CR-5 and CR-7. I know that the CR-1 has the gear idler and it came out in 1988, the same year as the CR-4. The CR-5/-7 came out in 1986 (years are from Wouter's web site) Scott J. --- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Derrick, > > Yes, I have a CR-4 and it is a very nice machine in a compact > package. Kannan calibrated mine for me some time ago, and although > I use it primarily as a playback machine, for that use, it performs > as well as my CR-5 and my CR-7 (but not my Dragon, 670ZX or 682ZX) > It is roughly the same size as the CR-3 whereas the CR-5 is the > same size as the CR-7. The CR-4 has recording Bias and Level front > panel manual calibration capability that is very nice (the CR-3 and > CR-5 only have Bias fine tune). It also has 'direct' drive to the > take-up capstan whereas the CR-3 is belt drive to both capstans. > Other than those two features, it is essentially the same as the > CR-3. I would say the CR-4 would be slightly preferable to the > CR-5 for features and compactness. > > The only drawback to it is the small reel hub idler tire issue > common to the CR-4, 5 and 7, but the idlers are cheap and easy to > change. I did a gear upgrade on my CR-5 which requires a little > bit of skill.....I may do my CR-4 some time as well. > > Robert Kent > > Derrick wrote: > Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one > in person > or for sale. > Sounds like a cool deck. > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 02:41:09 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 In-Reply-To: <20050819222401.34928.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050820004109.12159.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert' CR4 uses Gear drive ( like evry other CR4As ) and I think he had not bothered to check. Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: Robert, You are sure the CR-4 uses the rubber idler? I thought that the only CR-series decks to use the rubber tire idler were the CR-5 and CR-7. I know that the CR-1 has the gear idler and it came out in 1988, the same year as the CR-4. The CR-5/-7 came out in 1986 (years are from Wouter's web site) Scott J. --- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Derrick, > > Yes, I have a CR-4 and it is a very nice machine in a compact > package. Kannan calibrated mine for me some time ago, and although > I use it primarily as a playback machine, for that use, it performs > as well as my CR-5 and my CR-7 (but not my Dragon, 670ZX or 682ZX) > It is roughly the same size as the CR-3 whereas the CR-5 is the > same size as the CR-7. The CR-4 has recording Bias and Level front > panel manual calibration capability that is very nice (the CR-3 and > CR-5 only have Bias fine tune). It also has 'direct' drive to the > take-up capstan whereas the CR-3 is belt drive to both capstans. > Other than those two features, it is essentially the same as the > CR-3. I would say the CR-4 would be slightly preferable to the > CR-5 for features and compactness. > > The only drawback to it is the small reel hub idler tire issue > common to the CR-4, 5 and 7, but the idlers are cheap and easy to > change. I did a gear upgrade on my CR-5 which requires a little > bit of skill.....I may do my CR-4 some time as well. > > Robert Kent > > Derrick wrote: > Does anyone actually have a CR-4? I can't recall ever seeing one > in person > or for sale. > Sounds like a cool deck. > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 22:46:00 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A/CR-4A cam mode motor problem In-Reply-To: <20050819191248.13305.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050819204600.8530.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> I copied this Email address down back in May 2005...."Thomas F Possche" He was advertising rebuilding capstan motors for $50.00 ea. You might send him an email and see if he can help you. John --- henry wilbczek wrote: > I have both models, CR-3A and CR-4A and have been > told > the cam mode motors have gone bad on both. > The tech who's looked at them has been around 30 > years > and seems to really know his stuff, but he's > reluctant > to take them apart and decarbonize. > He's trying other options first, like revving up the > volts on the motor. > Any thoughts on what I should do? > I bought them both used and they are in excellent > condition, just have'nt been used much in recent > years. After I started using them they both conked > out > after only 10-15 hours of recording. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From yumanhing at netvigator.com Fri Aug 19 23:45:05 2005 From: yumanhing at netvigator.com (Hing) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:45:05 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair Service of Studer A721 cassette deck (similar to Revox B-215) Message-ID: <000801c5a507$43ade0b0$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> Hello, do you know where I can obtain repair service of my Studer A721 cassette deck (professional version of Revox B-215)? Please let me have the relevant web site if available! Thank you for your assistance. Best regards Hing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Sun Aug 21 12:36:30 2005 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:36:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 Message-ID: <000001c5a63c$31889390$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Hi there, I own a CR-7 and just bought a ZX-9. The latter is a great recorder, but is not compatible with my CR-7. Tapes recorded on the ZX-9 sound dull on the CR-7, as tapes recorded on the 7 sound dull on the 9. I assume the heads are not equally alligned. Is that a normal problem or should I correct the play-head azimuth of the ZX-9 ? Thanks in advance, Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Sat Aug 20 02:34:25 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:34:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - SHE2L In-Reply-To: <20050819221758.51711.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050819221758.51711.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43067A91.4080508@bartuzi.org> I did another Google research and found following information in http://www.gocompany.com.au/go6-12-13.pdf: SANKYO SHU SERIES = MABUCHI EG530YD AUDIO MOTORS ORIGINAL# CODE VOLT RPM DIRECTION COST SHU9L ACM 170 9V 2000/4000 CCW $ 11.95 SHU2L SHE2L ACM 180 12V 2000 CCW $ 11.95 <--- here is my motor THESE MOTORS ARE MADE BY SANKYO / MABUCH. THEY ARE SERVO CONTROLLED DUAL SPEED MOTORS. THESE MOTORS ARE SUITABLE FOR HIGH SPEED DUBBING AND OTHER SUCHAPPLICATIONS WHERE VARIABLE SPEED IS NEEDED... So now it looks I have Sankyo motor inside - but is it the one Nakamichi suggestested to put in after Matsushita problem or just another cheap equivalent? I only got curious about the motor in my deck because one time the capstans didn't spin after power on - after several power off and on the situation went back to normal, but now I fear something is wrong with the motor or even worse its logic board... Or can situation like this just happen in belt driven deck (like motor stopped in a "deadlock" position)? Pawel Scott Johnson wrote: >>From those specs there is no way to tell what voltage the motor is >supose to run on. If it's a 12V motor then it should be fine. If >it's lower than 10V then it may draw too much current and damage the >drive circuit. > >SJ > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > >>Googling for "SHE2L" (it is written on my deck's capstan motor) I >>found >>following information on >>http://www.nationalpartsupply.com/NPS/NPS/kenwood.htm site: >> >>Kenwood KEN SHE2L (L5) Motor (Dc 1.77W 1/430Hp) Kx6x >> >>Looks like my deck's motor has broken years ago and somebody >>swapped >>Matsushita motor to a Kenwood one. Do you think it is safe (for >>logic >>board etc) to run that motor or should I look for Nakamichi-Sankyo >>equivalent? >> >>Regards, >>Pawel >> >> From enoyes at snet.net Sun Aug 21 17:46:46 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:46:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A/CR-4A cam mode motor problem In-Reply-To: <20050819204600.8530.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050819204600.8530.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4308A1E6.2070405@snet.net> If you'd like to send me the motors, I'd be happy to rebuild them at no charge other than postage. It's a really simple process with the hard part being the removal and install into the deck (that I do not really enjoy doing). Contact me off list if you're interested. BTW, don't rev up the voltage. It won't help, and if anything will just burn out the commutators. Thanks, Ed John wrote: >I copied this Email address down back in May >2005...."Thomas F Possche" >He was advertising rebuilding capstan motors for >$50.00 ea. You might send him an email and see if he >can help you. > >John > >--- henry wilbczek wrote: > > > >>I have both models, CR-3A and CR-4A and have been >>told >>the cam mode motors have gone bad on both. >>The tech who's looked at them has been around 30 >>years >>and seems to really know his stuff, but he's >>reluctant >>to take them apart and decarbonize. >>He's trying other options first, like revving up the >>volts on the motor. >>Any thoughts on what I should do? >>I bought them both used and they are in excellent >>condition, just have'nt been used much in recent >>years. After I started using them they both conked >>out >>after only 10-15 hours of recording. >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________ >>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 18:42:58 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 In-Reply-To: <000001c5a63c$31889390$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <20050821164258.64989.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The head alignment itself requires Nak gauges and tapes + sequence and few other test meters of good bandwidth. Aligning ony azimuth may help incase the tape head heights are OK and match as Nak track alignment. If you know what exactly you are doing it is fine to align play head azimuth ( not the height screw!!!!) screw since CR7 has play azimuth adjustment- it is better to check the ZX 9 recorded cassette on CR 7 and see if the Play aimuth gets back all the Highs. If not there is something seriuosly wrong in one or both. Calibration on both requires play /rec head matching, I cannot understand how this can happen? I had played CR 7 recorded one on a zx 9 found to be equally excellent Kannan Henk van Beek wrote: Hi there, I own a CR-7 and just bought a ZX-9. The latter is a great recorder, but is not compatible with my CR-7. Tapes recorded on the ZX-9 sound dull on the CR-7, as tapes recorded on the 7 sound dull on the 9. I assume the heads are not equally alligned. Is that a normal problem or should I correct the play-head azimuth of the ZX-9 ? Thanks in advance, Henk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 18:51:45 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - SHE2L In-Reply-To: <43067A91.4080508@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20050821165145.30489.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I may have a spare Cr 2 or 3 capstan motor which fits a Cassette Deck 1 capstan motor slot and there are no failures seen on these motors ( Cassette deck series seem to have problem with Panasonic motors as per Stephen Sank ) I can send you one free ( If I get hold of it within a day - I will let you know) You have to pay for shipping - to wherever yu are? ( ( South America? - ) kannan PS if your Deck has a motor controller problem - that is different case. What you can do is to connect any 12 V DC Mabuchi motor from any other cassette deck parts ( or just check voltage across the motor when it stops rotating - pressing play button ) Pawel Bartuzi wrote: I did another Google research and found following information in http://www.gocompany.com.au/go6-12-13.pdf: SANKYO SHU SERIES = MABUCHI EG530YD AUDIO MOTORS ORIGINAL# CODE VOLT RPM DIRECTION COST SHU9L ACM 170 9V 2000/4000 CCW $ 11.95 SHU2L SHE2L ACM 180 12V 2000 CCW $ 11.95 <--- here is my motor THESE MOTORS ARE MADE BY SANKYO / MABUCH. THEY ARE SERVO CONTROLLED DUAL SPEED MOTORS. THESE MOTORS ARE SUITABLE FOR HIGH SPEED DUBBING AND OTHER SUCHAPPLICATIONS WHERE VARIABLE SPEED IS NEEDED... So now it looks I have Sankyo motor inside - but is it the one Nakamichi suggestested to put in after Matsushita problem or just another cheap equivalent? I only got curious about the motor in my deck because one time the capstans didn't spin after power on - after several power off and on the situation went back to normal, but now I fear something is wrong with the motor or even worse its logic board... Or can situation like this just happen in belt driven deck (like motor stopped in a "deadlock" position)? Pawel Scott Johnson wrote: >>From those specs there is no way to tell what voltage the motor is >supose to run on. If it's a 12V motor then it should be fine. If >it's lower than 10V then it may draw too much current and damage the >drive circuit. > >SJ > >--- Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > > > >>Googling for "SHE2L" (it is written on my deck's capstan motor) I >>found >>following information on >>http://www.nationalpartsupply.com/NPS/NPS/kenwood.htm site: >> >>Kenwood KEN SHE2L (L5) Motor (Dc 1.77W 1/430Hp) Kx6x >> >>Looks like my deck's motor has broken years ago and somebody >>swapped >>Matsushita motor to a Kenwood one. Do you think it is safe (for >>logic >>board etc) to run that motor or should I look for Nakamichi-Sankyo >>equivalent? >> >>Regards, >>Pawel >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 17:11:42 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:11:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Repair Service of Studer A721 cassette deck (similar to Revox B-215) In-Reply-To: <000801c5a507$43ade0b0$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> References: <000801c5a507$43ade0b0$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> Message-ID: <518b7b105082108112c833b43@mail.gmail.com> If you're in Europe start from www.revox.de, they seem to be the main service centre for Europe. George On 8/19/05, Hing wrote: > Hello, do you know where I can obtain repair service of my Studer A721 > cassette deck (professional version of Revox B-215)? Please let me have the > relevant web site if available! Thank you for your assistance. > > Best regards > > Hing > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 17:15:51 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:15:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 In-Reply-To: <000001c5a63c$31889390$bb7ba8c0@HENK> References: <000001c5a63c$31889390$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <518b7b105082108154ce8c6fd@mail.gmail.com> Henk, Your CR-7 has manual adjustable playback azimuth, how can it not be compatible with tapes from the ZX-9 ? I cannot believe that the ZX-9 is so out of alignment that you cannot track it within the range of the CR-7 playback azimuth adjustment. George On 8/21/05, Henk van Beek wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I own a CR-7 and just bought a ZX-9. > > The latter is a great recorder, but is not compatible with my CR-7. > > Tapes recorded on the ZX-9 sound dull on the CR-7, as tapes recorded on the > 7 sound dull on the 9. > > I assume the heads are not equally alligned. Is that a normal problem or > should I correct the play-head azimuth of the ZX-9 ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Henk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From pawel at bartuzi.org Sun Aug 21 19:28:11 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:28:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - SHE2L In-Reply-To: <20050821165145.30489.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050821165145.30489.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4308B9AB.101@bartuzi.org> kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I think I may have a spare Cr 2 or 3 capstan motor which fits a > Cassette Deck 1 capstan motor slot and there are no failures seen on > these motors ( Cassette deck series seem to have problem with > Panasonic motors as per Stephen Sank ) I can send you one free ( If I > get hold of it within a day - I will let you know) > You have to pay for shipping - to wherever yu are? ( ( South America? - ) I live in Poland, Europe. :-) I'd gladly pay for shipping, just to be sure I have spare motor in case it is the motor not the logic board... > kannan > PS if your Deck has a motor controller problem - that is different case. > What you can do is to connect any 12 V DC Mabuchi motor from any other > cassette deck parts ( or just check voltage across the motor when it > stops rotating - pressing play button ) Good idea - I just wondered how can I tell whether it is motor or not! As for now everything works fine but in case of a trouble I know what to do. BTW: What if it is the logic board? Is it an individual part that can be bought as a spare, or is it integrated on the deck's mainboard? I wonder if I am not starting being paranoid here but I had so much pleasure discovering my old tapes with this deck (azimuth control :-) ) that I really would like to keep it going. Pawel > > */Pawel Bartuzi /* wrote: > > I did another Google research and found following information in > http://www.gocompany.com.au/go6-12-13.pdf: > > SANKYO SHU SERIES = MABUCHI EG530YD AUDIO MOTORS > ORIGINAL# CODE VOLT RPM DIRECTION COST > SHU9L ACM 170 9V 2000/4000 CCW $ 11.95 > SHU2L > SHE2L ACM 180 12V 2000 CCW $ 11.95 <--- here is my motor > > THESE MOTORS ARE MADE BY SANKYO / MABUCH. THEY ARE SERVO > CONTROLLED DUAL > SPEED MOTORS. THESE MOTORS ARE SUITABLE FOR HIGH SPEED DUBBING AND > OTHER > SUCHAPPLICATIONS WHERE VARIABLE SPEED IS NEEDED... > > So now it looks I have Sankyo motor inside - but is it the one > Nakamichi > suggestested to put in after Matsushita problem or just another cheap > equivalent? > > I only got curious about the motor in my deck because one time the > capstans didn't spin after power on - after several power off and > on the > situation went back to normal! , but now I fear something is wrong > with > the motor or even worse its logic board... Or can situation like this > just happen in belt driven deck (like motor stopped in a "deadlock" > position)? > > Pawel > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 21 20:25:10 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:25:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Repair Service of Studer A721 cassette deck (similar toRevox B-215) In-Reply-To: <000801c5a507$43ade0b0$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> Message-ID: <007101c5a67d$aa3a56c0$6ab087d9@oemcomputer> In the UK, THE man for ReVox is Brian Reeves: He takes credit cards and ships worldwide: www.revoxservice.co.uk email brian at revoxservice.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)161 499 2349 Fax: +44 (0)161 499 9381 Gra' > > Hello, do you know where I can obtain repair service of my Studer A721 = > cassette deck (professional version of Revox B-215)? Please let me have = > the relevant web site if available! Thank you for your assistance. > > Best regards > > Hing > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 21 20:32:26 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:32:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 In-Reply-To: <000001c5a63c$31889390$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <007a01c5a67e$adefef40$6ab087d9@oemcomputer> It sounds to me like one or both of your units require servicing and alignment. For the short while I had a ZX-9 and CR-7, there was very little difference in play back of tapes made on one machine and played back on the other. Playback on the CR-7, however, was different for all tapes than it was for the ZX-9. To my ear, through my amp and speakers, the ZX-9 (it's modified) sounded slightly closer to the source than the CR-7. However, I didn't test this via my headphones and suspect I may have come to a slightly different conclusion had I done so, as I did with my Arcam. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 05:01:41 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - SHE2L In-Reply-To: <4308B9AB.101@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20050822030141.89172.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The motor Drive is through a small resistor - I think around 15 Ohm or less with 12V applied on the positive side. Cassette Deck series the capstan starts rotating only when you play or record. This is not the case onearlier decks where the Capstan motor is always on. - If the motor draws more curret than necessary this resitor helps in saving the motor. Few occasion this resistor may need a replacement in my observation. Better to get a service manual - probably there is nothing wrong with the motor unless it stops totally and needs replacement. the mode Cam motor fails with a dead spot because it does not rotate continuously but moves to certain regular spots returns to stop positions. Kannan Pawel Bartuzi wrote: kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I think I may have a spare Cr 2 or 3 capstan motor which fits a > Cassette Deck 1 capstan motor slot and there are no failures seen on > these motors ( Cassette deck series seem to have problem with > Panasonic motors as per Stephen Sank ) I can send you one free ( If I > get hold of it within a day - I will let you know) > You have to pay for shipping - to wherever yu are? ( ( South America? - ) I live in Poland, Europe. :-) I'd gladly pay for shipping, just to be sure I have spare motor in case it is the motor not the logic board... > kannan > PS if your Deck has a motor controller problem - that is different case. > What you can do is to connect any 12 V DC Mabuchi motor from any other > cassette deck parts ( or just check voltage across the motor when it > stops rotating - pressing play button ) Good idea - I just wondered how can I tell whether it is motor or not! As for now everything works fine but in case of a trouble I know what to do. BTW: What if it is the logic board? Is it an individual part that can be bought as a spare, or is it integrated on the deck's mainboard? I wonder if I am not starting being paranoid here but I had so much pleasure discovering my old tapes with this deck (azimuth control :-) ) that I really would like to keep it going. Pawel > > */Pawel Bartuzi /* wrote: > > I did another Google research and found following information in > http://www.gocompany.com.au/go6-12-13.pdf: > > SANKYO SHU SERIES = MABUCHI EG530YD AUDIO MOTORS > ORIGINAL# CODE VOLT RPM DIRECTION COST > SHU9L ACM 170 9V 2000/4000 CCW $ 11.95 > SHU2L > SHE2L ACM 180 12V 2000 CCW $ 11.95 <--- here is my motor > > THESE MOTORS ARE MADE BY SANKYO / MABUCH. THEY ARE SERVO > CONTROLLED DUAL > SPEED MOTORS. THESE MOTORS ARE SUITABLE FOR HIGH SPEED DUBBING AND > OTHER > SUCHAPPLICATIONS WHERE VARIABLE SPEED IS NEEDED... > > So now it looks I have Sankyo motor inside - but is it the one > Nakamichi > suggestested to put in after Matsushita problem or just another cheap > equivalent? > > I only got curious about the motor in my deck because one time the > capstans didn't spin after power on - after several power off and > on the > situation went back to normal! , but now I fear something is wrong > with > the motor or even worse its logic board... Or can situation like this > just happen in belt driven deck (like motor stopped in a "deadlock" > position)? > > Pawel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hembihag at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 08:53:26 2005 From: hembihag at yahoo.com (Hem Bihag) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:53:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 chassis problem? Message-ID: <20050822065327.2110.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com> LX-3 single owner 1982 bought in Hongkong. When getting rubber pinch rollers and belts replaced on servicing in Ottawa Canada 2000, corrosion noticed by technician in chassis. Thereafter left channel progressively refused to play back. It was a gradual process. Problem was fixed in Delhi India by amateur Nakamichi enthusiast 2004.(no reliable professional techs in Delhi for Nakamichi) Problem recurred in Dar es Salaam Tanzania 2005. Sometimes left channel shows response intermittently but eventually only right channel responds. What is causing the problem? It it repairable without great expense? Debashish Chakravarti ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Aug 22 20:56:51 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:56:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The capstan motor in Cassette Deck 1 - SHE2L In-Reply-To: <20050822030141.89172.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050822030141.89172.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <430A1FF3.5000601@bartuzi.org> Actually, in Cassette Deck 1 the capstan motor rotates all the time the deck is powered on. The service manual suggestion is definitely a good one - as nobody seems to have one around I already emailed Bowers and Wilkins about it. Regards, Pawel kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > The motor Drive is through a small resistor - I think around 15 Ohm or > less with 12V applied on the positive side. Cassette Deck series the > capstan starts rotating only when you play or record. This is not the > case onearlier decks where the Capstan motor is always on. - If > the motor draws more curret than necessary this resitor helps > in saving the motor. Few occasion this resistor may need a replacement > in my observation. > > Better to get a service manual - probably there is nothing wrong with > the motor unless it stops totally and needs replacement. the mode Cam > motor fails with a dead spot because it does not rotate continuously > but moves to certain regular spots returns to stop positions. > Kannan > > > */Pawel Bartuzi /* wrote: > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > I think I may have a spare Cr 2 or 3 capstan motor which fits a > > Cassette Deck 1 capstan motor slot and there are no failures > seen on > > these motors ( Cassette deck series seem to have problem with > > Panasonic motors as per Stephen Sank ) I can send you one free ( > If I > > get hold of it within a day - I will let you know) > > You have to pay for shipping - to wherever yu are? ( ( South > America? - ) > > I live in Poland, Europe. :-) > > I'd gladly pay for shipping, just to be sure I have spare motor in > case > it is the motor not the logic board... > > > kannan > > PS if your Deck has a motor controller problem - that is > different case. > > What you can do is to connect any 12 V DC Mabuchi motor from any > other > > cassette deck parts ( or just check voltage across the motor wh! > en it > > stops rotating - pressing play button ) > > Good idea - I just wondered how can I tell whether it is motor or > not! > As for now everything works fine but in case of a trouble I know > what to do. > > BTW: What if it is the logic board? Is it an individual part that > can be > bought as a spare, or is it integrated on the deck's mainboard? I > wonder > if I am not starting being paranoid here but I had so much pleasure > discovering my old tapes with this deck (azimuth control :-) ) that I > really would like to keep it going. > > Pawel > > > > > */Pawel Bartuzi /* wrote: > > > > I did another Google research and found following information in > > http://www.gocompany.com.au/go6-12-13.pdf: > > > > SANKYO SHU SERIES = MABUCHI EG530YD AUDIO MOTORS > > ORIGINAL# CODE VOLT RPM DIRECTION COST > > SHU9L ACM 170 9V 2000/4000 CCW $ 11.95 > > SHU2L > > SHE2L ACM 180 12V 2000 CCW $ 11.95 <--- her! e is my motor > > > > THESE MOTORS ARE MADE BY SANKYO / MABUCH. THEY ARE SERVO > > CONTROLLED DUAL > > SPEED MOTORS. THESE MOTORS ARE SUITABLE FOR HIGH SPEED DUBBING AND > > OTHER > > SUCHAPPLICATIONS WHERE VARIABLE SPEED IS NEEDED... > > > > So now it looks I have Sankyo motor inside - but is it the one > > Nakamichi > > suggestested to put in after Matsushita problem or just another > cheap > > equivalent? > > > > I only got curious about the motor in my deck because one time the > > capstans didn't spin after power on - after several power off and > > on the > > situation went back to normal! , but now I fear something is wrong > > with > > the motor or even worse its logic board... Or can situation like > this > > just happen in belt driven deck (like motor stopped in a "deadlock" > > position)? > > > > Pawel > From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Aug 22 21:04:12 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:04:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com registration Message-ID: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> Is there any functionality in naks.com registration apart data input? I registered two decks but I can't see any way to browse nor update the data I entered. Is this normal or am I missing something? Pawel From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 23 13:20:14 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:20:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] naks.com registration In-Reply-To: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Hi, You can view your registered products here: http://www.naks.com/register/view.html Use any of the serial numbers you useed for registration to view all your registered items. You should have supplied a email address too. Editing is not possible now, collecting data is the main goal of registration. Wouter > Is there any functionality in naks.com registration apart data input? I > registered two decks but I can't see any way to browse nor update the > data I entered. Is this normal or am I missing something? > > Pawel From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Aug 23 15:41:39 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:41:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 for sale In-Reply-To: <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823093656.01abcbd8@psulias.psu.edu> I think I'm going to "streamline" to one Nak, my Dragon. Hence my CR-5 is going up for sale. It has just been given the gear drive upgrade and been fully cleaned, serviced and aligned. The only problem with it is the display will go out occasionally, but a little tap on the top of the chassis will bring it right back. Probably a lose wire (I forgot to tell the technician to check it out). Other wise the unit is functioning at %100 and sounds great. Cosmetically it is pretty much perfect. No marks of any consequence. I have a picture for those interested (only one, I managed to lose my digital camera few weeks ago). Asking $300 plus shipping. Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Aug 23 15:43:48 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:43:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] trade ideas In-Reply-To: <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094143.01b084c8@psulias.psu.edu> I think I'd be interested in trading some "Hi-res" formats. You now, tapes of SACD, DVD-A, HDCD, audiophile vinyl etc. You know, stuff a cassette could never duplicate. ;) Contact me off list for a list of what I have, and I'll keep it managable. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Aug 23 15:45:21 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape In-Reply-To: <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400@psulias.psu.edu> What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to still be around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how old they were. Any "sleeper" brands out there? Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From ronald.aguiar at comcast.net Tue Aug 23 16:38:59 2005 From: ronald.aguiar at comcast.net (ronald.aguiar) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:38:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] need schematic for a 660ZX Message-ID: <000601c5a7f0$68256d00$32a70818@bigbang> can anyone help - The outputs are dead- this is in the logic circuit- I need a schematic any help is greatly appreciated -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue Aug 23 16:40:29 2005 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:40:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakammichi Remote Signal Converter References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org><20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> <6.1.2.0.2.20050823093656.01abcbd8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <000401c5a7f0$9bb0c4d0$6401a8c0@desktop> I have just placed my very rare Nakamichi RC-4 Remote Signal Converter on E-bay. This allows you to remotely control all 'CR - Series' decks (including CR-7 with azimuth), DRAGON and RX-505 deck with a wireless system remote. If it interest you here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5801740412&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 From ggott at depaul.edu Tue Aug 23 16:59:22 2005 From: ggott at depaul.edu (Gil Gott) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:59:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] gear upgrade kits Message-ID: Where can one obtain one of the gear upgrade kits for the CR series decks? What is the cheapest source? Thanks From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 17:30:36 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] gear upgrade kits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050823153036.68246.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your cheapest source is eBay. Buy a CR-1 and rip it out. Then put your old idler assembly and put it in the CR-1. Then sell the deck or keep it as a spare. SJ --- Gil Gott wrote: > Where can one obtain one of the gear upgrade kits for the CR series > decks? What is the cheapest source? > > Thanks > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Aug 23 18:58:32 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:58:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakammichi Remote Signal Converter References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org><20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66><6.1.2.0.2.20050823093656.01abcbd8@psulias.psu.edu> <000401c5a7f0$9bb0c4d0$6401a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <000f01c5a804$018c3ab0$add117c4@home> Hello Roland, That RC-4 is neccessary if you want to control the mentioned Nak decks from a Receiver1,2 or 3 and Amp One Amplifier--or similiar amps produced later?(in Nak parlance 'the newer receivers/amps') that have remote capabilities.It is a Serial to Parrallel signal converter as the 'newer amps/receivers' send out serial signals whereas the mentioned decks operate on a parrallel remote system. The RC-4 is obviously not neccessary from a CA7 or TA as these speak the same parallel language as the mentioned decks receive! How the RC -4 operates from/through non Nak Receivers/amps I dont know.I have 3 or 4 of these converters. The RC-4 is also neccessary when these Decks are used in synchro recording with CD Player2. The above info is taken from the official Nak Remote Control Guide--a 10 page document. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakammichi Remote Signal Converter >I have just placed my very rare Nakamichi RC-4 Remote Signal Converter on >E-bay. This allows you to remotely control all 'CR - Series' decks >(including CR-7 with azimuth), DRAGON and RX-505 deck with a wireless >system remote. If it interest you here it is: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5801740412&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 23 21:37:11 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:37:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com registration In-Reply-To: <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> Message-ID: <430B7AE7.7090008@xs4all.nl> One nice trick I forgot to mention... If you look close you see that your registered products listed in the first column are clickable! Clicking gives you an overview of all registered Naks of the same model and the production information. That way you can roughly determine the production year/quarter of your Nak. Enjoy! Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: >You can view your registered products here: >http://www.naks.com/register/view.html > > From ggott at depaul.edu Tue Aug 23 17:38:19 2005 From: ggott at depaul.edu (Gil Gott) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] gear upgrade kits Message-ID: Thanks, SJ: do all the cr-1s have the gear idler? Gil >>> p9019 at yahoo.com 08/23/05 10:30 AM >>> Your cheapest source is eBay. Buy a CR-1 and rip it out. Then put your old idler assembly and put it in the CR-1. Then sell the deck or keep it as a spare. SJ --- Gil Gott wrote: > Where can one obtain one of the gear upgrade kits for the CR series > decks? What is the cheapest source? > > Thanks > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Aug 23 18:14:36 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:14:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape Message-ID: Hi Derrick! Here where I live Israel, I can obtain brand new Fuji Z-2 for a mere ONE DOLLAR each 90 minutes, I buy two boxes of 10 cassettes...Made in Japan...maybe the "Best" Fuji fabricated cassette today! As I also own a Dragon deck...really amazing match results...with my Dragon! I stick NOT to use any Dolby...I record & listen Dolby OFF...as IF i will want to use such recorded cassette in my car's radio tape unit...with NO dolby sound just right/fine to my hears. Greetings, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 > >What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to still be >around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online >place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how old >they were. > >Any "sleeper" brands out there? > > > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 23 18:34:08 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:34:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <000701c5a800$7d3f1640$7300a8c0@Shaun> Yep, I got hold of some TDK-SA from B & W when I had my BX-300 serviced about 3 months ago. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: 23 August 2005 14:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to still be around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how old they were. Any "sleeper" brands out there? Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thole at wxs.nl Tue Aug 23 21:35:04 2005 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:35:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 In-Reply-To: <000001c5a63c$31889390$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: Henk, Kanje zeggen wat je betaalde voor de ZX9 en wat de staat was? Ik kijk er nu zelf ook naar een paar.\ Grt -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens Henk van Beek Verzonden: zondag 21 augustus 2005 12:37 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 Hi there, I own a CR-7 and just bought a ZX-9. The latter is a great recorder, but is not compatible with my CR-7. Tapes recorded on the ZX-9 sound dull on the CR-7, as tapes recorded on the 7 sound dull on the 9. I assume the heads are not equally alligned. Is that a normal problem or should I correct the play-head azimuth of the ZX-9 ? Thanks in advance, Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Tue Aug 23 21:43:55 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:43:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com registration In-Reply-To: <430B7AE7.7090008@xs4all.nl> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> <430B7AE7.7090008@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <430B7C7B.2070704@bartuzi.org> Well, that one doesn't work for me - nothing is clickable in the list in Firefox nor Internet Explorer... Pawel Wouter Heijke wrote: > One nice trick I forgot to mention... > If you look close you see that your registered products listed in the > first column are clickable! > Clicking gives you an overview of all registered Naks of the same > model and the production information. That way you can roughly > determine the production year/quarter of your Nak. > Enjoy! > Wouter > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 23 23:27:26 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:27:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com registration In-Reply-To: <430B7C7B.2070704@bartuzi.org> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> <430B7AE7.7090008@xs4all.nl> <430B7C7B.2070704@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <430B94BE.2070609@xs4all.nl> A small problem, i fixed it. Thanks reporting this! And now enjoy! Wouter Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > Well, that one doesn't work for me - nothing is clickable in the list > in Firefox nor Internet Explorer... > > Pawel From pawel at bartuzi.org Tue Aug 23 22:07:00 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:07:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tapes and head wear Message-ID: <430B81E4.6050507@bartuzi.org> I've heard that metal tapes have definitely more effect on deck's head wear than chrome ones - is it true? To what extent? I mean will playing metal tapes kill the head two, three or four times quicker than sticking to chromes only? Pawel From msyoder at border.net Tue Aug 23 23:09:35 2005 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:09:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape In-Reply-To: <200508231952.j7NJqAgA020028@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3526CE62-141A-11DA-B128-000A95EBBF0E@border.net> Derrick, I recently got some TDK SM tapes from Musicians Friend (http://www.musiciansfriend.com). The label calls them "SM Pro". They're outstanding. They're a little pricey ($2.99 for the 60-minute version), but I bought a few for critical recording of the jazz duo in my studio. Haven't noticed any dropouts yet and I'm on maybe my third one. Michael Yoder ambient jazz duo http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 > From: Derrick Beckner > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400 at psulias.psu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to > still be > around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online > place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how > old > they were. > > Any "sleeper" brands out there? > > > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 23:34:43 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] gear upgrade kits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050823213443.32868.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All CR decks Except the CR-5 and some of the CR-7 have gear idlers. Everything later than the CR-series is gear idler (Cassette Deck series, DR-series, etc) SJ --- Gil Gott wrote: > Thanks, SJ: do all the cr-1s have the gear idler? > > Gil > > >>> p9019 at yahoo.com 08/23/05 10:30 AM >>> > Your cheapest source is eBay. Buy a CR-1 and rip it out. Then put > your old idler assembly and put it in the CR-1. Then sell the deck > or keep it as a spare. > SJ > > --- Gil Gott wrote: > > > Where can one obtain one of the gear upgrade kits for the CR > series > > decks? What is the cheapest source? > > > > Thanks > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From pawel at bartuzi.org Wed Aug 24 00:02:58 2005 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:02:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com registration In-Reply-To: <430B94BE.2070609@xs4all.nl> References: <430A21AC.5090600@bartuzi.org> <20456.212.78.164.66.1124796014.squirrel@212.78.164.66> <430B7AE7.7090008@xs4all.nl> <430B7C7B.2070704@bartuzi.org> <430B94BE.2070609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <430B9D12.8080508@bartuzi.org> Thanks - now everything works fine. Seems like the price I paid for my Cassette Deck 1 (approx. 285 USD - I considered it to be rather high) was not that bad when compared to other registered Naks. :-) Pawel Wouter Heijke wrote: > A small problem, i fixed it. > Thanks reporting this! > And now enjoy! > > Wouter > > Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > >> Well, that one doesn't work for me - nothing is clickable in the list >> in Firefox nor Internet Explorer... >> >> Pawel > From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Aug 24 05:33:46 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:33:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape Message-ID: <20050824033352.IBBJ4806.centrmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Yoder, You can buy SM90 for $1.99 at tapes.com Here's a direct link to audio cassettes http://www.tapes.com/index.php?cPath=95_103&osCsid=02e4a93f9f77c32d07d26f367a6c717f > > From: Yoder Michael > Date: 2005/08/23 Tue PM 05:09:35 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > Derrick, > > I recently got some TDK SM tapes from Musicians Friend > (http://www.musiciansfriend.com). The label calls them "SM Pro". > They're outstanding. They're a little pricey ($2.99 for the 60-minute > version), but I bought a few for critical recording of the jazz duo in > my studio. Haven't noticed any dropouts yet and I'm on maybe my third > one. > > Michael Yoder > ambient jazz duo > http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 > > From: Derrick Beckner > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400 at psulias.psu.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > > What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to > > still be > > around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online > > place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how > > old > > they were. > > > > Any "sleeper" brands out there? > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > Mapping Specialist > > Map Library Supervisor > > Penn State University > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Wed Aug 24 10:40:33 2005 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:40:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 Message-ID: <000001c5a887$7e4612a0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Thanks guys for your responses. The CR-7 has been serviced 6 months ago and I think it is in perfect condition. The ZX-9 hasn't had service for a long time, so it's better to get this done first. The deck is in a good physical shape, the only thing is, that the level meter during Bias calibration (15kHz) isn't stable. I can't completely fixate to 0 dB, it fluctuates between -2 and + 2 dB. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Aug 24 16:06:16 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:06:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape In-Reply-To: <20050824033352.IBBJ4806.centrmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20050824033352.IBBJ4806.centrmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050824100542.01abda30@psulias.psu.edu> How do these compare with XLII and SA? Better sound, more durable? Thanks for the advice. At 11:33 PM 8/23/2005, you wrote: >Yoder, > >You can buy SM90 for $1.99 at tapes.com > >Here's a direct link to audio cassettes > >http://www.tapes.com/index.php?cPath=95_103&osCsid=02e4a93f9f77c32d07d26f367a6c717f > > > > > > From: Yoder Michael > > Date: 2005/08/23 Tue PM 05:09:35 EDT > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > > > Derrick, > > > > I recently got some TDK SM tapes from Musicians Friend > > (http://www.musiciansfriend.com). The label calls them "SM Pro". > > They're outstanding. They're a little pricey ($2.99 for the 60-minute > > version), but I bought a few for critical recording of the jazz duo in > > my studio. Haven't noticed any dropouts yet and I'm on maybe my third > > one. > > > > Michael Yoder > > ambient jazz duo > > http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 > > > From: Derrick Beckner > > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400 at psulias.psu.edu> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > > > > What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to > > > still be > > > around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online > > > place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how > > > old > > > they were. > > > > > > Any "sleeper" brands out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > > Mapping Specialist > > > Map Library Supervisor > > > Penn State University > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Aug 24 16:36:27 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:36:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape Message-ID: <20050824143633.UICK15295.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Derrick, Dunno. I don't even have a tape deck right now but I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes for now. Here is a website that rated the tapes and compared them to the SA type of 80's. http://www.btgallery.com/ Go under Community > Top 5 You'll see mention that they are the studio version of the SA. I probably have close to 50 metal tapes in all so I'll be looking for a deck within the next few months. I do recall someone else on this board that uses them. > > From: Derrick Beckner > Date: 2005/08/24 Wed AM 10:06:16 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] available blank tape > > How do these compare with XLII and SA? Better sound, more durable? > Thanks for the advice. > > At 11:33 PM 8/23/2005, you wrote: > >Yoder, > > > >You can buy SM90 for $1.99 at tapes.com > > > >Here's a direct link to audio cassettes > > > >http://www.tapes.com/index.php?cPath=95_103&osCsid=02e4a93f9f77c32d07d26f367a6c717f > > > > > > > > > > From: Yoder Michael > > > Date: 2005/08/23 Tue PM 05:09:35 EDT > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > > > > > Derrick, > > > > > > I recently got some TDK SM tapes from Musicians Friend > > > (http://www.musiciansfriend.com). The label calls them "SM Pro". > > > They're outstanding. They're a little pricey ($2.99 for the 60-minute > > > version), but I bought a few for critical recording of the jazz duo in > > > my studio. Haven't noticed any dropouts yet and I'm on maybe my third > > > one. > > > > > > Michael Yoder > > > ambient jazz duo > > > http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 > > > > From: Derrick Beckner > > > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400 at psulias.psu.edu> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > > > > > > What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to > > > > still be > > > > around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online > > > > place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how > > > > old > > > > they were. > > > > > > > > Any "sleeper" brands out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > > > Mapping Specialist > > > > Map Library Supervisor > > > > Penn State University > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 17:15:56 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Compatibility ZX-9 to CR-7 In-Reply-To: <000001c5a887$7e4612a0$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <20050824151556.61322.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does your ZX 9 get correct Azimuth alignment in recording - using the azimuth knob ? There can be good need for capstan belt change seeing the symptoms. Please do not buy anything ( I mean the capstan belts) sold on ebay - buy from B&W and carefully replace. If you notice this problem even after this, this ZX 9 needs tech attention! Kannan Henk van Beek wrote: Thanks guys for your responses. The CR-7 has been serviced 6 months ago and I think it is in perfect condition. The ZX-9 hasn’t had service for a long time, so it’s better to get this done first. The deck is in a good physical shape, the only thing is, that the level meter during Bias calibration (15kHz) isn’t stable. I can’t completely fixate to 0 dB, it fluctuates between -2 and + 2 dB. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Aug 24 16:50:28 2005 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:50:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape References: <20050824033352.IBBJ4806.centrmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20050824100542.01abda30@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <007701c5a8bb$2b5b94a0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> I buy my Blank TDK SA90's from here: www.richersounds.ie They are only 8.99 Euro or approx $11 for Ten plus Postage. I paid 7.49 euro for 90 cassettes which means they came in at just over 1 euro each. Shipping to the US would be a little higher but not that much I wouldn't have thought. May be worth a call! Andy Dublin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] available blank tape > How do these compare with XLII and SA? Better sound, more durable? > Thanks for the advice. > > At 11:33 PM 8/23/2005, you wrote: > >Yoder, > > > >You can buy SM90 for $1.99 at tapes.com > > > >Here's a direct link to audio cassettes > > > >http://www.tapes.com/index.php?cPath=95_103&osCsid=02e4a93f9f77c32d07d26f36 7a6c717f > > > > > > > > > > From: Yoder Michael > > > Date: 2005/08/23 Tue PM 05:09:35 EDT > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > > > > > Derrick, > > > > > > I recently got some TDK SM tapes from Musicians Friend > > > (http://www.musiciansfriend.com). The label calls them "SM Pro". > > > They're outstanding. They're a little pricey ($2.99 for the 60-minute > > > version), but I bought a few for critical recording of the jazz duo in > > > my studio. Haven't noticed any dropouts yet and I'm on maybe my third > > > one. > > > > > > Michael Yoder > > > ambient jazz duo > > > http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:45:21 -0400 > > > > From: Derrick Beckner > > > > Subject: [naktalk] available blank tape > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050823094355.01ab2400 at psulias.psu.edu> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > > > > > > What is the best tape you can still get new? Maxell XLII seems to > > > > still be > > > > around. Is TDK SA or SA-X? I got a bunch of new XLIIS from an online > > > > place but about 1/3 had some nasty drop outs so I'm wondering just how > > > > old > > > > they were. > > > > > > > > Any "sleeper" brands out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner > > > > Mapping Specialist > > > > Map Library Supervisor > > > > Penn State University > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ktl at bornet.net Thu Aug 25 02:10:11 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:10:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 481 Problems, reel-motor and cam adjustment/potentiometers Message-ID: The reel-motor won't run when on playback/rec. I have concluded that it's because of the voltage from the cam-potentiometer that is not correct. It seems that both the two trimmers on the small PCB and the main cam-pot is starting to malfunction. My question is, how common/likely is this fault, or should I look elsewhere for the problem. My thoughts is that the agening process has done it. I assume that I could take some sort of standard size pot for the cam-pot or is it just a NAK-special designed thing. Second thing is that the belt that runs the counter seems to lost its flexibility, and I guess that I in theory could use a "Rubber-band" for this one With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From boblai at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 17:24:17 2005 From: boblai at yahoo.com (Bob Lai) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cam motor available for free Message-ID: <20050825152417.57867.qmail@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After watching several threads on the topic of a non-working cam motor, I have one pulled from a CR1 for anyone who needs it. Free. even shipping. And if you feel guilty send me a sealed, blank cassette for my collection. email me at boblai at yahoo.com. Note that I don't know its condition, it probably does work. Since there's always partnumber issues, the best way to ensure that it will work is to compare the parts list from the CR1 to the Nak you have - if they have the same P/N then it should work. Then if tehey don't you can take it apart as a test run. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Aug 25 18:17:11 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:17:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: available blank tape In-Reply-To: <200508251000.j7PA032m025493@zxe.naks.com> References: <200508251000.j7PA032m025493@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1949F63C-BC86-453B-B17B-7E9E4A5BB5F1@mac.com> I've used the SM-Pro. Hard to say on the sound quality since my decks are calibrated for XLII, but they sound fine to me and the shell seems nice and sturdy. I've not seen any drop-outs or other defects so far. BTW, J&R music world has two-packs of XLII for $1.99, US. cheers, Fred On Aug 25, 2005, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Dunno. I don't even have a tape deck right now but I've been > trying to stockpile metal tapes for now. > > Here is a website that rated the tapes and compared them to the SA > type of 80's. > > http://www.btgallery.com/ > > Go under Community > Top 5 > > You'll see mention that they are the studio version of the SA. > > > I probably have close to 50 metal tapes in all so I'll be looking > for a deck within the next few months. > > I do recall someone else on this board that uses them. > > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Aug 26 00:20:07 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:20:07 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: available blank tape References: <200508251000.j7PA032m025493@zxe.naks.com> <1949F63C-BC86-453B-B17B-7E9E4A5BB5F1@mac.com> Message-ID: <004001c5a9c3$26521e80$e34e98de@tec> How do you get an outfit like J&R to ship to New Zealand. Can someone ring their toll free number and find out and report back on here please. Ta Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: available blank tape I've used the SM-Pro. Hard to say on the sound quality since my decks are calibrated for XLII, but they sound fine to me and the shell seems nice and sturdy. I've not seen any drop-outs or other defects so far. BTW, J&R music world has two-packs of XLII for $1.99, US. cheers, Fred On Aug 25, 2005, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Dunno. I don't even have a tape deck right now but I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes for now. Here is a website that rated the tapes and compared them to the SA type of 80's. http://www.btgallery.com/ Go under Community > Top 5 You'll see mention that they are the studio version of the SA. I probably have close to 50 metal tapes in all so I'll be looking for a deck within the next few months. 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URL: From ninenines7 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 01:56:52 2005 From: ninenines7 at yahoo.com (carl mongoo) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480 record switch Message-ID: <20050825235652.26847.qmail@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> any leads on finding this switch...if not, any suggestions on repairing it, or subbing something ? i really miss my 480's record capacity. carl ( 480 , bx-1 , bx-2 , 600-II , rd-460) --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Aug 26 12:33:19 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:33:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 record switch In-Reply-To: <20050825235652.26847.qmail@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050825235652.26847.qmail@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <430EEFEF.9080500@cox.net> I must have missed the original post on this.... which switch do you mean? The large play/record slide switch mounted on the circuit board? What are the symptoms? carl mongoo wrote: > any leads on finding this switch...if not, any > suggestions on repairing it, or subbing something ? i really miss my > 480's record capacity. > carl > > ( 480 , bx-1 , bx-2 , 600-II , rd-460) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From djbargelt at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 18:46:32 2005 From: djbargelt at yahoo.com (David Bargelt) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Kyocera D-611: Nak transport and heads? Opinions Message-ID: <20050826164632.6391.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently purchased a Kyocera D-611 casette deck from 1987. Single capstan, direct drive, and 3 motors. I understand many parts are of Nakamich manufauture. Any opinions on this deck? Has very decent sound for the $20.00 I paid for it. Thanks __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From ktl at bornet.net Fri Aug 26 21:07:40 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:07:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 481 Problems, reel-motor and cam adjustment/potentiometers SOLVED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi folks. Problems solved. This is what I got into: Started to look into the deck, found that the voltages from the Pot that follows the cam was out of order, as I mentioned in the previous mail, I thought that the pot was worn out, not the case though. Reading the service manual over and over again to get a grasp over how this ancient, discrete resistor diode transistor logic was supposed to work (Much like the Eastwood film Space Cowboys), I thougth that it was an agening problem with the components. So I started to do the calibration proccess as per manual. Believe you me what problems I encountered. At the end of the calibrating proccess nothing worked as expected, although all voltages was as expected. Then I relised, something I'd missed. The Auto-Shut-Off didn't work, as it transpired, the two trannys that formed the auto-shut-off circuit was burned, these functions to reset everything by cutting power to all the logic when the cam is att stop-position. They were burned and completely short-cicuited, and feedeing the logic backwards, so when replaced, everything worked as supposed. Testing all functions, reasemble the deck, put it back in the rack and test it with a proper tape, oh no, auto-shut-of obviouisly worked, just too good, refused to play anything att all. Took it out of the rack, picked it apart again, and what to find, the lamp that illuminates the slotted wheel, was blown, replaced it, and now it works again. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 481 Problems, reel-motor and cam > adjustment/potentiometers > > > The reel-motor won't run when on playback/rec. > I have concluded that it's because of the voltage from the > cam-potentiometer that is not correct. > > It seems that both the two trimmers on the small PCB and the > main cam-pot is starting to malfunction. > > My question is, how common/likely is this fault, or should I > look elsewhere for the problem. My thoughts is that the > agening process has done it. > > I assume that I could take some sort of standard size pot for > the cam-pot or is it just a NAK-special designed thing. > > Second thing is that the belt that runs the counter seems to > lost its flexibility, and I guess that I in theory could use > a "Rubber-band" for this one > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 26 22:20:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:20:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 481 Problems, reel-motor and cam adjustment/potentiometers SOLVED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a101c5aa7b$940ff420$a4bb87d9@oemcomputer> Well done, Tomas!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: 26 August 2005 20:08 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 481 Problems,reel-motor and cam > adjustment/potentiometers SOLVED > > > Hi folks. > Problems solved. > > This is what I got into: > Started to look into the deck, found that the voltages from the Pot that > follows the cam was out of order, as I mentioned in the previous mail, I > thought that the pot was worn out, not the case though. > > Reading the service manual over and over again to get a grasp > over how this > ancient, discrete resistor diode transistor logic was supposed to > work (Much > like the Eastwood film Space Cowboys), I thougth that it was an agening > problem with the components. So I started to do the calibration > proccess as > per manual. Believe you me what problems I encountered. At the end of the > calibrating proccess nothing worked as expected, although all voltages was > as expected. > > Then I relised, something I'd missed. The Auto-Shut-Off didn't work, as it > transpired, the two trannys that formed the auto-shut-off circuit was > burned, these functions to reset everything by cutting power to all the > logic when the cam is att stop-position. They were burned and completely > short-cicuited, and feedeing the logic backwards, so when replaced, > everything worked as supposed. > > Testing all functions, reasemble the deck, put it back in the > rack and test > it with a proper tape, oh no, auto-shut-of obviouisly worked, > just too good, > refused to play anything att all. > Took it out of the rack, picked it apart again, and what to find, the lamp > that illuminates the slotted wheel, was blown, replaced it, and > now it works > again. > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > > From ninenines7 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 09:25:35 2005 From: ninenines7 at yahoo.com (carl mongoo) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480 record switch In-Reply-To: <430EEFEF.9080500@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050827072535.40628.qmail@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim Barrett wrote: I must have missed the original post on this.... which switch do you mean? The large play/record slide switch mounted on the circuit board? What are the symptoms? carl mongoo wrote: > any leads on finding this switch...if not, any > suggestions on repairing it, or subbing something ? i really miss my > 480's record capacity. > carl > > ( 480 , bx-1 , bx-2 , 600-II , rd-460) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= of course ,the long one ...the umpteen contact record switch...which other switch could it be! i've done everything to clean it , buff the contacts, etc... i need a sub... --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ninenines7 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 09:26:46 2005 From: ninenines7 at yahoo.com (carl mongoo) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480 record switch In-Reply-To: <430EEFEF.9080500@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050827072646.88747.qmail@web33212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it won't go into record ..... Tim Barrett wrote:I must have missed the original post on this.... which switch do you mean? The large play/record slide switch mounted on the circuit board? What are the symptoms? carl mongoo wrote: > any leads on finding this switch...if not, any > suggestions on repairing it, or subbing something ? i really miss my > 480's record capacity. > carl > > ( 480 , bx-1 , bx-2 , 600-II , rd-460) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Aug 27 13:23:57 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:23:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 record switch In-Reply-To: <20050827072646.88747.qmail@web33212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050827072646.88747.qmail@web33212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43104D4D.7090504@cox.net> There's a control cam which governs the modes of the transport. This cam is normally in the Stop position, and when rotated in the 'positive' direction it moves the reel brakes, then the head base and pinch rollers. When the unit is commanded to go into the Record mode, the cam first rotates in the 'negative' direction from the Stop position to pull in the long play/record slide switch on the circuit board (which then latches in place), then it rotates back through Stop and into Play to start tape motion. It takes a fair amount of force to move the slide switch, and if the belt which turns the control cam is slipping, it may not be able to adequately pull the switch far enough for it to latch into place. I would begin by checking to see if the play/record slide switch is being set properly. A quick cleaning of the control cam belt will improve it for a little while. You can also remove the top and bottom covers and watch the motion of the slide switch to see if it is working correctly. Another possibility is that the record tab sensing switch is faulty. It's in the upper left corner of the cassette well and feels for the little tab on the back corner of the cassette. If the tab is missing, the transport will be prevented from going into the record mode. This same control cam song-and-dance applies to all two-head models with this transport (480, 481, 580, 581, LX3) Tim carl mongoo wrote: > it won't go into record ..... > > */Tim Barrett /* wrote: > > I must have missed the original post on this.... which switch do you > mean? The large play/record slide switch mounted on the circuit > board? > What are the symptoms? > > carl mongoo wrote: > > > any leads on finding this switch...if not, any > > suggestions on repairing it, or subbing something ? i really > miss my > > 480's record capacity. > > carl > > > > ( 480 , bx-1 , bx-2 , 600-II , rd-460) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From peldredge at cox.net Tue Aug 30 12:04:20 2005 From: peldredge at cox.net (Patrick Eldredge) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:04:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MINT RX 505 FOR TRADE!!!! Message-ID: <20050830100414.OHR2438.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@pat> FELLOW NAK USERS: I have a mint condition NAK RX 505 that I am looking to trade for another NAK deck (or possibly two dependent on what you have to make it fair). I have pictures and / or demo available for those interested in the RX 505, this NAK deck is in great shape and it almost looks brand new out of the box. I would rate this a 9 out of 10 for the fact that it is used, other than that it looks and runs like it did when it was new. The deck is in 100% working order with zero defects mechanically. It has not been cleaned however in several years, I will leave that up to you to take care of (to that it has not been play much so it still looks pretty good inside). Over the years I plaid the deck just enough to make sure I kept everything inside the deck moving on occasion and to make sure we were still operational with all the features. Currently I would entertain any of the following NAK's: 1.) ZX-7 2.) ZX-9 (I would throw in some extra money to even up the trade) 3.) CR5A 4.) CR4A (you may have to even up this one with some money) 5.) suggestions...what do you have I may want??? OR 6.) possible two (2) lower end 3 head decks Throw something out there and if it strikes a fancy with me we may well be able to put something together I am fairly flexible but am looking for decks that are in the same shape as the RX 505 (for the most part). I am looking for decks that are 100% operable, not missing any of their stock parts and that are fairly clean and free of scratches and marks. Model wise I am looking at 3 head decks, other than that I will be open to any offer if it is fair. This is a duplicate RX 505 for me and I am interested in adding to my NAK collection. For the record I currently have up and running in my infrastructure: 1.) LX 5 2.) RX 505 (yes two of these I currently own, hence me getting rid of one) 3.) Cassette Deck 2 ...with that said I am not looking for any of these in this trade. FYI - Phoenix, AZ location if you an interest in a demo, I have a pretty comfortable set up and will welcome anyone who can make it for an afternoon. Serious inquires only please, reach out to me via email at Peldredge at cox.net if you are interested and have something to offer. I will respond to all and we can discuss next steps. PJE Peldredge at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Wed Aug 31 22:40:07 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:40:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MR1? Message-ID: <003a01c5ae6c$2cdd78a0$d2f15651@homeduron1300> Hi folks, I wonder if a few of you experts out there can give me some advice/thoughts. I have wanted a Dragon for years but my thoughts have been swayed by the excellent reviews of CR-7's (which I had previously never heard of). I have just missed a mint CR7 on eBay (co.uk), which went above what I have been allowed to allocate for the purchase. Now there is a Dragon going, but I'm torn as to whether I should wait for another CR7. To complicate matters even more an MR-1 has appeared. It seems to be a professional deck and I don't think I would have the expertise to use it properly but has anyone out there any info on MR-1s? Are they a viable 'home user' alternative to the other two top flight decks? Any thoughts would be welcome. Many thanks, David Edwards From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 23:33:30 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:33:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MR1? In-Reply-To: <003a01c5ae6c$2cdd78a0$d2f15651@homeduron1300> References: <003a01c5ae6c$2cdd78a0$d2f15651@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <518b7b105083114335336288d@mail.gmail.com> Don't bother with the MR-1 - it's a BX-300 with pitch control and balanced inputs/outputs, as more suitable for studio use. It's still a very good 3-head Nak, but if you're looking for a CR-7 or Dragon the MR-1 is definitely not in the same class. George On 8/31/05, David Edwards wrote: > Hi folks, > I wonder if a few of you experts out there can give me some advice/thoughts. > I have wanted a Dragon for years but my thoughts have been swayed by the > excellent reviews of CR-7's (which I had previously never heard of). > I have just missed a mint CR7 on eBay (co.uk), which went above what I have > been allowed to allocate for the purchase. > Now there is a Dragon going, but I'm torn as to whether I should wait for > another CR7. > To complicate matters even more an MR-1 has appeared. > It seems to be a professional deck and I don't think I would have the > expertise to use it properly but has anyone out there any info on MR-1s? > Are they a viable 'home user' alternative to the other two top flight decks? > > Any thoughts would be welcome. > Many thanks, > > David Edwards > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2005\2005-9.txt ************************************************************************ From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Sep 1 10:25:34 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:25:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Message-ID: <000801c5aece$ba6c1a70$90d217c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Some time back,this forum pressurised my sensitive mental make up to buy this machine because of the advantages of the unique FLEX system! Needless to say I managed to secure a nearly brand new one on German eBay sans manuals. As a consequence to a posting on Naktalk a kind gentleman who proliferates these pages with excellant humour and wise words---but punts a B215 Revox rather than NAKAMICHI--You know the one that gives only one half of his first name (the other half could be a HAM or a EME)-- kindly offered to send me what he had in manuals for the Pioneer(copies).Unfortunately living in the South of Africa or my request was forgotten the manuals never arrived and I therefor never thanked him for his kind deed. Not having Gra' s (notice only half the name) eMail address I have allowed myself to use this forum again! If there is anyone else out there who can help with a Service or Users manuaI I really would appreciate it! For the easiest payment method I can pay with PayPal towards any costs! Regards Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 1 13:39:29 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:39:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? In-Reply-To: <000801c5aece$ba6c1a70$90d217c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <005b01c5aee9$d1280100$b39787d9@oemcomputer> Hi Walter Sorry to hear the manual didn't arrive. That must be why you never thanked me for it! ;o) Bad news. I paid good money for that copy, too! I'll get it re-copied and send again. Remind me of your address. Hey, what's this that I punt a B215? No I don't. Mine only worked for about an hour and it's been with the engineer ever since .... about 2+ years, I think ... it turned out to be a dog, one of only a few from . I'm a Nakaphile .... ZX-9 and un-used BX-1 and, now, Arcamophile, as well as being a CT-S830S'ophile. I'll have to get the manual into a store for the copying as I don't presently have free access to a copier in the office as I've been sick off work since March and may not now be allowed back. (Only God knows what I'll do if that happens and when the money runs out ... but it could be fun finding out, says he nervously.) Gra(ham) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes Sent: 01 September 2005 09:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Some time back,this forum pressurised my sensitive mental make up to buy this machine because of the advantages of the unique FLEX system! Needless to say I managed to secure a nearly brand new one on German eBay sans manuals. As a consequence to a posting on Naktalk a kind gentleman who proliferates these pages with excellant humour and wise words---but punts a B215 Revox rather than NAKAMICHI--You know the one that gives only one half of his first name (the other half could be a HAM or a EME)-- kindly offered to send me what he had in manuals for the Pioneer(copies).Unfortunately living in the South of Africa or my request was forgotten the manuals never arrived and I therefor never thanked him for his kind deed. Not having Gra' s (notice only half the name) eMail address I have allowed myself to use this forum again! If there is anyone else out there who can help with a Service or Users manuaI I really would appreciate it! For the easiest payment method I can pay with PayPal towards any costs! Regards Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not cheap but offered with good repair support - rather than buying on ebay and finding it needs to go to a Nak Tech ( rare species ? in the planet right now). contact me off list Kannans at questam.com Kannan --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Thu Sep 1 18:55:16 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:55:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon for sale In-Reply-To: <000801c5aece$ba6c1a70$90d217c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> References: <000801c5aece$ba6c1a70$90d217c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <43173274.8070703@comcast.net> Hey guys, here is a dragon for sale that, for such A BRIEF DESCRIPTION, looks great! I sent seller a request to clarify whether it plays, records, sounds and works well. Any other ideas for important questions to ask. Thanks everybody for the educational and enriching contributions to this group! Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Sep 1 19:09:46 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:09:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR1? In-Reply-To: <518b7b105083114335336288d@mail.gmail.com> References: <003a01c5ae6c$2cdd78a0$d2f15651@homeduron1300> <003a01c5ae6c$2cdd78a0$d2f15651@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130503.01785b08@pop.east.cox.net> I would have to agree with both of these comments. I've owned three decks in my life. Aiwa 6550, Nak BX-300 and a CR-7A. Nothing will touch the CR-7A in that class. However, I do think the CR-7A falls into that 'dainty' made category. Not sure about the BX-300. The Aiwa was a dang tank and did a very respectable job with TDK SA tapes. The BX-300 did a wonderful job and I think offers a great value for the money but again, 'dainty'. The CR-7A was awesome but all it took to throw mine out of whach was a tape wrapping around the right side pinch roller. Never player the same after that incident but I must day *I* might have introduced more problems than necessary when I attempted to cleart the jam. For the dollars, I'd still go with the BX-300 if you only have a couple hundred or less to spend. At 10:33 PM 8/31/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Don't bother with the MR-1 - it's a BX-300 with pitch control and >balanced inputs/outputs, as more suitable for studio use. It's still a >very good 3-head Nak, but if you're looking for a CR-7 or Dragon the >MR-1 is definitely not in the same class. > >George > >On 8/31/05, David Edwards wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I wonder if a few of you experts out there can give me some > advice/thoughts. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Sep 1 19:10:20 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:10:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? In-Reply-To: <000801c5aece$ba6c1a70$90d217c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130957.01893ab8@pop.east.cox.net> Along these lines, does the F1250 have the FLEX circuit? At 10:25 AM 9/1/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Some time back,this forum pressurised my sensitive mental make up to buy >this machine because of the advantages of the unique FLEX system! Needless >to say I managed to secure a nearly brand new one on German eBay sans manuals. >As a consequence to a posting on Naktalk a kind gentleman who proliferates >these pages with excellant humour and wise words---but punts a B215 Revox >rather than NAKAMICHI--You know the one that gives only one half of his >first name (the other half could be a HAM or a EME)-- kindly offered to >send me what he had in manuals for the Pioneer(copies).Unfortunately >living in the South of Africa or my request was forgotten the manuals >never arrived and I therefor never thanked him for his kind deed. Not >having Gra' s (notice only half the name) eMail address I have allowed >myself to use this forum again! >If there is anyone else out there who can help with a Service or Users >manuaI I really would appreciate it! For the easiest payment method I can >pay with PayPal towards any costs! >Regards >Walter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 1 21:06:10 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:06:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Katrina In-Reply-To: <518b7b105083114335336288d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c5af28$37042ba0$7aa787d9@oemcomputer> I hope no members of this group have been affected by Katrina. Gra' > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Sep 2 07:42:48 2005 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:42:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130957.01893ab8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <002501c5af81$2937c550$6ad117c4@home> Roland I dont know! However when I searched the various international eBay set ups the USA one never showed any CT--SxxxS's I presume the machines were marketed in the USA under different nomencletures.German eBay had quite a number of them (but very ,very few CT-S830S aparently their top model ),here again they had very few of the USA nomencltures!So your model under question might very well have the FLEX system.Other pioneer Fundis might be able to throw light on the matter! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Along these lines, does the F1250 have the FLEX circuit? At 10:25 AM 9/1/2005 +0200, you wrote: Some time back,this forum pressurised my sensitive mental make up to buy this machine because of the advantages of the unique FLEX system! Needless to say I managed to secure a nearly brand new one on German eBay sans manuals. As a consequence to a posting on Naktalk a kind gentleman who proliferates these pages with excellant humour and wise words---but punts a B215 Revox rather than NAKAMICHI--You know the one that gives only one half of his first name (the other half could be a HAM or a EME)-- kindly offered to send me what he had in manuals for the Pioneer(copies).Unfortunately living in the South of Africa or my request was forgotten the manuals never arrived and I therefor never thanked him for his kind deed. Not having Gra' s (notice only half the name) eMail address I have allowed myself to use this forum again! If there is anyone else out there who can help with a Service or Users manuaI I really would appreciate it! For the easiest payment method I can pay with PayPal towards any costs! Regards Walter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 22:17:31 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:17:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130957.01893ab8@pop.east.cox.net> References: <000801c5aece$ba6c1a70$90d217c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130957.01893ab8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <518b7b105090113175a959369@mail.gmail.com> I think the 1250 is way too old to have the FLEX circuit. George On 9/1/05, roland wrote: > Along these lines, does the F1250 have the FLEX circuit? > > At 10:25 AM 9/1/2005 +0200, you wrote: > Some time back,this forum pressurised my sensitive mental make up to buy > this machine because of the advantages of the unique FLEX system! Needless > to say I managed to secure a nearly brand new one on German eBay sans > manuals. > As a consequence to a posting on Naktalk a kind gentleman who proliferates > these pages with excellant humour and wise words---but punts a B215 Revox > rather than NAKAMICHI--You know the one that gives only one half of his > first name (the other half could be a HAM or a EME)-- kindly offered to send > me what he had in manuals for the Pioneer(copies).Unfortunately living in > the South of Africa or my request was forgotten the manuals never arrived > and I therefor never thanked him for his kind deed. Not having Gra' s > (notice only half the name) eMail address I have allowed myself to use this > forum again! > If there is anyone else out there who can help with a Service or Users > manuaI I really would appreciate it! For the easiest payment method I can > pay with PayPal towards any costs! > Regards > Walter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 1 22:27:37 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:27:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon for sale In-Reply-To: <43173274.8070703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002101c5af33$97a20da0$7aa787d9@oemcomputer> Yep: When was it last serviced and by whom? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stocker Sent: 01 September 2005 17:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] dragon for sale Hey guys, here is a dragon for sale that, for such A BRIEF DESCRIPTION, looks great! I sent seller a request to clarify whether it plays, records, sounds and works well. Any other ideas for important questions to ask. Thanks everybody for the educational and enriching contributions to this group! Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 1 23:28:31 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:28:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130957.01893ab8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <000001c5af3c$1a62ac60$809d87d9@oemcomputer> Don't know about the F1250 but their latest cassette machine, released last year, does have it working in the digital domain. I think it can only be bought in Japan - more's the pity as I would love to hear what it can do. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of roland Sent: 01 September 2005 18:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Along these lines, does the F1250 have the FLEX circuit? At 10:25 AM 9/1/2005 +0200, you wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Katrina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Katrina >I hope no members of this group have been affected by Katrina. > > Gra' > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Sep 2 09:07:30 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:07:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Message-ID: No, the CT-F1250 does not have FLEX but does have BLE (but not BLE XD). Walter - I'll phone you in a minute - I can assist with a owners (not workshop) manual for a CT-S740S which is the same machine without the manual bias override. Cheers - Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. 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In fact, single-well Pioneers beyond around '92 would have to have been Elite series decks (like the CT-43 which was basically a CT-S610) or special/personal imports. Dual well decks are another story - for that the US market was viable. As far as dual wells go in fact, decks like the Urushi-finish Elite series CT-05 and CT-07 are especially good. Cheers - Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Sep 2 10:49:25 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:49:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Message-ID: Howzit Gra', A very worthwhile deck from Pioneer with that digital technology - and as rare as rocking horse manure - is the CT-670D - a single transport, three head, three motor cassette deck with a titanium finish and attractive three-colour display. All processing, including things like FLEX, NR, S-Auto BLE/XD, HX-PRO if not disabled by XD etc are all accomplished in the digital domain using proprietary Legato-Linear ADC/DACs; separate PSs for transport and signal sections and as far as I recall quite stout motors. Personally, I'd love one. Cheers - Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 2 11:33:00 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:33:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-670D ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005801c5afa1$4fbfea20$809d87d9@oemcomputer> Hi Marc Is that the model launched last year, or earlier? I forget and can't now find my original e-mail about it when I discovered the machine on a .jp website. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 02 September 2005 09:49 To: naktalk at naks.com; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Howzit Gra', A very worthwhile deck from Pioneer with that digital technology - and as rare as rocking horse manure - is the CT-670D - a single transport, three head, three motor cassette deck with a titanium finish and attractive three-colour display. All processing, including things like FLEX, NR, S-Auto BLE/XD, HX-PRO if not disabled by XD etc are all accomplished in the digital domain using proprietary Legato-Linear ADC/DACs; separate PSs for transport and signal sections and as far as I recall quite stout motors. Personally, I'd love one. Cheers - Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Fri Sep 2 14:07:01 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:07:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Katrina Message-ID: <1a3.3b1ae25e.30499a65@aol.com> Unfortunately I think we'll all be affected by this for many years to come. Stay safe, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Sep 2 18:09:42 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:09:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-670D ? Message-ID: Hi Gra', No I don't think so at least no - I suppose it depends which market. CT-670D was unveiled in around '99 or 2000, but I expect them still to have stock. They also market CT-W606DR, CT-W208 and CT-S250 pretty much everywhere. A few came into the UK and were probably bought by cassette enthusiasts because (a) alternative digital means were available to the rank and file(audio cattle), and (b) it was around UKP300.00. It really represented a fascinating approach to magnetic taping already employed within three other double cassette decks (CT-W606,616 and 803 - DR series) but now applied the rock-steady mechanism of the CT-S550S/CT-S640S. The transports of the above duals were a bit flaky. All of a sudden you had a worthwhile and highly out-of-the-ordinary machine. Another interesting deck was the Technics RS-AZ6 and RS-AZ7 which used the thin-film (amorphous-Z) playback head developed for DCC. This represented an idiosyncratic parting shot to the medium from Technics that both soared and sank. It combined sublime perfomance on high position/metal tape with hopeless results on type 1. Nakamichi is indiosyncracy itself, so these designs above appeal to me. Cheers - Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Sep 2 19:24:51 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 13:24:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Message-ID: <200509021325_MC3-1-A8E8-653B@compuserve.com> Hello, I know there has been more pioneer talk than nakamichi lately, but I would like to throw in my question as well since we are at it: I have a ct-a9 (1984 top model) with auto-BLE function and 3 bias switches. I don't have the user's manual, therefore I am just guessing their function. I will be happy if someone can scan its manual for me. Another thing I found out is the belts/idlers etc are still available from www.pioneerelectronics.com. Click on the service/support and enter the model number to see the list of any available spare parts. Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 5 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:04:06 +0200 From: "Mark Hugo" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? To: , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, Just to clarify, there is no such model as a CT-S840S; the last of the eights was that CT-S830S and the last of the non-Reference/Elite nines was the CT-S920S (succeeded the CT-939/979 and the fist non- Ref nine series with Dolby S, the -900S. The good single-transport CT-S series decks from the mid-nineties onwards were not punted in north -America so they won't be found on the US e-Bays. In fact, single-well Pioneers beyond around '92 would have to have been Elite series decks (like the CT-43 which was basically a CT-S610) or special/personal imports. Dual well decks are another story - for that the US market was viable. As far as dual wells go in fact, decks like the Urushi-finish Elite series CT-05 and CT-07 are especially good. Cheers - Marc < From regos at bluemail.ch Fri Sep 2 21:32:29 2005 From: regos at bluemail.ch (regos at bluemail.ch) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:32:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR1? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050901130503.01785b08@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <4314DAFD00018CE6@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch> I have in my collection one BX300, one RX505, one 700ZXL, one 1000 Tri-Tracer, one 1000ZXL, one 680ZX, one Dragon, one CR7, and one MR1.No one but no one has the quality of sound that the MR1. For me the sound quality level is the best. >-- Original-Nachricht -- >Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:09:46 -0400 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >From: roland >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR1? >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >I would have to agree with both of these comments. > >I've owned three decks in my life. Aiwa 6550, Nak BX-300 and a CR-7A. > >Nothing will touch the CR-7A in that class. However, I do think the CR-7A > >falls into that 'dainty' made category. Not sure about the BX-300. > >The Aiwa was a dang tank and did a very respectable job with TDK SA tapes. > >The BX-300 did a wonderful job and I think offers a great value for the >money but again, 'dainty'. > >The CR-7A was awesome but all it took to throw mine out of whach was a tape > >wrapping around the right side pinch roller. Never player the same after > >that incident but I must day *I* might have introduced more problems than > >necessary when I attempted to cleart the jam. > >For the dollars, I'd still go with the BX-300 if you only have a couple >hundred or less to spend. > > > >At 10:33 PM 8/31/2005 +0100, you wrote: >>Don't bother with the MR-1 - it's a BX-300 with pitch control and >>balanced inputs/outputs, as more suitable for studio use. It's still a >>very good 3-head Nak, but if you're looking for a CR-7 or Dragon the >>MR-1 is definitely not in the same class. >> >>George >> >>On 8/31/05, David Edwards wrote: >> > Hi folks, >> > I wonder if a few of you experts out there can give me some >> advice/thoughts. >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Sep 3 05:36:47 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:36:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR1? Message-ID: <20050903033717.CCIT23224.centrmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I'm a bit curious here as I was just looking at pictures of an MR1 on eBay. Am I mistaken or does it look exactly like a BX300? If so, is it really a BX300 but with XLR inputs? > > From: regos at bluemail.ch > Date: 2005/09/02 Fri PM 03:32:29 EDT > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR1? > > > I have in my collection one BX300, one RX505, one 700ZXL, one 1000 Tri-Tracer, > one 1000ZXL, one 680ZX, one Dragon, one CR7, and one MR1.No one but no one > has the quality of sound that the MR1. For me the sound quality level is > the best. > > > > > > >-- Original-Nachricht -- > >Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:09:46 -0400 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >From: roland > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR1? > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >I would have to agree with both of these comments. > > > >I've owned three decks in my life. Aiwa 6550, Nak BX-300 and a CR-7A. > > > >Nothing will touch the CR-7A in that class. However, I do think the CR-7A > > > >falls into that 'dainty' made category. Not sure about the BX-300. > > > >The Aiwa was a dang tank and did a very respectable job with TDK SA tapes. > > > >The BX-300 did a wonderful job and I think offers a great value for the > > >money but again, 'dainty'. > > > >The CR-7A was awesome but all it took to throw mine out of whach was a tape > > > >wrapping around the right side pinch roller. Never player the same after > > > >that incident but I must day *I* might have introduced more problems than > > > >necessary when I attempted to cleart the jam. > > > >For the dollars, I'd still go with the BX-300 if you only have a couple > > >hundred or less to spend. > > > > > > > >At 10:33 PM 8/31/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >>Don't bother with the MR-1 - it's a BX-300 with pitch control and > >>balanced inputs/outputs, as more suitable for studio use. It's still a > >>very good 3-head Nak, but if you're looking for a CR-7 or Dragon the > >>MR-1 is definitely not in the same class. > >> > >>George > >> > >>On 8/31/05, David Edwards wrote: > >> > Hi folks, > >> > I wonder if a few of you experts out there can give me some > >> advice/thoughts. > >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From daveharris at clear.net.nz Sat Sep 3 07:50:08 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:50:08 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? References: <200509021325_MC3-1-A8E8-653B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <016001c5b04b$57888e10$d26065da@vurt> I am lucky enought to have a CT-A7 (without Auto BLE) . There are some good reviews explaining auto BLE on the CT-A9 at www.analogaudio.narod.ru many brochure and review scans for classic tape decks live here Cheers Dave > Hello, > > I know there has been more pioneer talk than nakamichi lately, but I would > like to throw in my question as well since we are at it: I have a ct-a9 > (1984 top model) with auto-BLE function and 3 bias switches. I don't have > the user's manual, therefore I am just guessing their function. I will be > happy if someone can scan its manual for me. > > Another thing I found out is the belts/idlers etc are still available from > www.pioneerelectronics.com. Click on the service/support and enter the > model number to see the list of any available spare parts. > > Thanks, > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >>Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:04:06 +0200 > From: "Mark Hugo" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? > To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All, > > Just to clarify, there is no such model as a CT-S840S; the last of the > eights was that CT-S830S and the last of the non-Reference/Elite nines was > the CT-S920S (succeeded the CT-939/979 and the fist non- Ref nine series > with Dolby S, the -900S. > > The good single-transport CT-S series decks from the mid-nineties onwards > were not punted in north -America so they won't be found on the US e-Bays. > In fact, single-well Pioneers beyond around '92 would have to have been > Elite series decks (like the CT-43 which was basically a CT-S610) or > special/personal imports. > > Dual well decks are another story - for that the US market was viable. As > far as dual wells go in fact, decks like the Urushi-finish Elite series > CT-05 and CT-07 are especially good. > > Cheers - Marc > > > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 3 17:33:48 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR1? In-Reply-To: <20050903033717.CCIT23224.centrmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20050903153348.22621.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's not total identical to a BX-300, but, that is definately where they started from when they made it. The BX-300 has front panel bias adjust, the MR-1 has front panel pitch control instead. The LEDs on the MR-1's Vu meters are horizontal instead of vertical and have more segments (Naks.com says the BX-300 has 20 segments and the MR-1 has 10 segments. This is wrong. The BX-300 has 9 segments and the MR-1 has 16) The MR-1 does not have the master fader up/down controls. In it's place are front panel balanced 1/4" inputs. The MR-1 also has rear panel noise reduction in/out loop connections. Studios might want to use external Dbx, Dolby A, S or SR processors. Then of course the MR-1 has balanced XLR and unbalanced 1/4" I/0's on the back instead of RCA's. Yes, it's a BX-300 everywhere else. Take a look at the ZX-5. It is identical to the BX-300 except the ZX-5 was only marketed in Japan I believe. SJ --- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I'm a bit curious here as I was just looking at pictures of an MR1 > on eBay. > > Am I mistaken or does it look exactly like a BX300? If so, is it > really a BX300 but with XLR inputs? > > > > > > From: regos at bluemail.ch > > Date: 2005/09/02 Fri PM 03:32:29 EDT > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR1? > > > > > > I have in my collection one BX300, one RX505, one 700ZXL, one > 1000 Tri-Tracer, > > one 1000ZXL, one 680ZX, one Dragon, one CR7, and one MR1.No one > but no one > > has the quality of sound that the MR1. For me the sound quality > level is > > the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Original-Nachricht -- > > >Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:09:46 -0400 > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >From: roland > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR1? > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > >I would have to agree with both of these comments. > > > > > >I've owned three decks in my life. Aiwa 6550, Nak BX-300 and a > CR-7A. > > > > > >Nothing will touch the CR-7A in that class. However, I do think > the CR-7A > > > > > >falls into that 'dainty' made category. Not sure about the > BX-300. > > > > > >The Aiwa was a dang tank and did a very respectable job with TDK > SA tapes. > > > > > >The BX-300 did a wonderful job and I think offers a great value > for the > > > > >money but again, 'dainty'. > > > > > >The CR-7A was awesome but all it took to throw mine out of whach > was a tape > > > > > >wrapping around the right side pinch roller. Never player the > same after > > > > > >that incident but I must day *I* might have introduced more > problems than > > > > > >necessary when I attempted to cleart the jam. > > > > > >For the dollars, I'd still go with the BX-300 if you only have a > couple > > > > >hundred or less to spend. > > > > > > > > > > > >At 10:33 PM 8/31/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >>Don't bother with the MR-1 - it's a BX-300 with pitch control > and > > >>balanced inputs/outputs, as more suitable for studio use. It's > still a > > >>very good 3-head Nak, but if you're looking for a CR-7 or > Dragon the > > >>MR-1 is definitely not in the same class. > > >> > > >>George > > >> > > >>On 8/31/05, David Edwards wrote: > > >> > Hi folks, > > >> > I wonder if a few of you experts out there can give me some > > >> advice/thoughts. > > >> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Sep 3 17:02:14 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:02:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-A7 and CT-A9 - heads similarity to Nak 480s Message-ID: Just keeping it on topic (your are right Fuad - more Pioneer than Nak yesterday) the CT-A9 and 7 moved from the X-Tal heads (a ferrite variation from what I can follow) to the ribbon sendust head (multiple layers of high flux material). Nakamichi also used sendust head cores at this time and I can vouch for the 480Z - that's one of them. Later, in fact right after the CT-A9, they switched to a permalloy core, hardened (probably with a chemical epoxy) and stuck with it. I have an enthusiastic report on the CT-A7. Good luck on working out how to calibrate a CT-A9 - I wouldn't have a clue. Cheers - MH The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. 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Ass'y 10 bx125/e ba05089a indicator ass'y 10 mr2 ba05089a level indicator ass'y 10 bx150/e ba05135a indicator ass'y 10 rx505/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? rx303/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? bx300/e ba05399a indicator ass'y 10 mr1 16 I dont have a copy of the MR-1 so if anyone can add that to the list. So it seems some units share the same pcb where others have a different one. If all of you that own one of these Naks can check the amount of segments (led's) listed in the last column then please let us all know so i can change this in the website. Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Sep 3 21:36:46 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:36:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <4319EBCC.8080407@xs4all.nl> References: <4319EBCC.8080407@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4319FB4E.2040501@cox.net> Wouter - The MR-1 service manual calls it a "level indicator ass'y" part number BA05545A. Tim Wouter Heijke wrote: > Thanks Scott for bringing up this subject. > I've made a list from the service manuals on the displays for several > BX and RX series Naks: > > bx1 0b06378a display unit 10 > bx2 0b06378a display p.c.b. 10 > rx202e 0b12099a indicator LED 20 > bx100/e ba05089a indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 10 > bx125/e ba05089a indicator ass'y 10 > mr2 ba05089a level indicator ass'y 10 > bx150/e ba05135a indicator ass'y 10 > rx505/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? > rx303/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? > bx300/e ba05399a indicator ass'y 10 > mr1 > > 16 > > > I dont have a copy of the MR-1 so if anyone can add that to the list. > So it seems some units share the same pcb where others have a > different one. > If all of you that own one of these Naks can check the amount of > segments (led's) listed in the last column then please let us all know > so i can change this in the website. > > Wouter > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 3 21:19:58 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:19:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <4319EBCC.8080407@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000d01c5b0bc$7a764a40$7300a8c0@Shaun> Wouter, I have a copy of the owner's manual for the BX-300 and the BX-2. Each shows 20 LED segments per channel. If you would like a copy of these manuals let me know. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 03 September 2005 19:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments Thanks Scott for bringing up this subject. I've made a list from the service manuals on the displays for several BX and RX series Naks: bx1 0b06378a display unit 10 bx2 0b06378a display p.c.b. 10 rx202e 0b12099a indicator LED 20 bx100/e ba05089a indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 10 bx125/e ba05089a indicator ass'y 10 mr2 ba05089a level indicator ass'y 10 bx150/e ba05135a indicator ass'y 10 rx505/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? rx303/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? bx300/e ba05399a indicator ass'y 10 mr1 16 I dont have a copy of the MR-1 so if anyone can add that to the list. So it seems some units share the same pcb where others have a different one. If all of you that own one of these Naks can check the amount of segments (led's) listed in the last column then please let us all know so i can change this in the website. Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sat Sep 3 23:35:29 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 17:35:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Message-ID: <200509031735_MC3-1-A8B3-53FB@compuserve.com> Thanks Dave, This really is a very useful web-site, all the deck's functions are properly described in the review . Unfortunately the site is very slooow. _Fuad I am lucky enought to have a CT-A7 (without Auto BLE) . There are some good reviews explaining auto BLE on the CT-A9 at www.analogaudio.narod.ru many brochure and review scans for classic tape decks live here Cheers Dave > Hello, > > I know there has been more pioneer talk than nakamichi lately, but I would > like to throw in my question as well since we are at it: I have a ct-a9 > (1984 top model) with auto-BLE function and 3 bias switches. I don't have > the user's manual, therefore I am just guessing their function. I will be > happy if someone can scan its manual for me. > > Another thing I found out is the belts/idlers etc are still available from > www.pioneerelectronics.com. Click on the service/support and enter the > model number to see the list of any available spare parts. > > Thanks, > _Fuad > < From britri at comcast.net Sat Sep 3 23:38:20 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:38:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR1? In-Reply-To: <4314DAFD00018CE6@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch> References: <4314DAFD00018CE6@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <431A17CC.8020606@comcast.net> regos at bluemail.ch wrote: >I have in my collection one BX300, one RX505, one 700ZXL, one 1000 Tri-Tracer, >one 1000ZXL, one 680ZX, one Dragon, one CR7, and one MR1.No one but no one >has the quality of sound that the MR1. For me the sound quality level is >the best. > > > > > > > wow, Regos, that's an amazing collection! Do they all work and what kind of time do you spend working with/on them? Brian From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sat Sep 3 23:43:44 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:43:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Which model? Message-ID: <002a01c5b0d0$8ed81860$248bd255@homeduron1300> Hi all, I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I have 2 RX505's and love them, but I would like to get one of the other top-range Naks. My wife has grudgingly given permission to shoe-horn another one into the Hi-Fi rack, but I want to make the correct decision as I think this will be my last acquisition. My preferred choice is between ZX-7/9, CR-7 and Dragon (obviously). I know they do things a bit differently but I don't know enough about them to help make a decision. The Dragon seems very complex and I wonder about long term performance if it isn't kept regularly serviced The CR-7 is a bit more manual isn't it? and may prove more reliable long term if there is less to become 'out of tune. The ZX models are older but more manual in performance and may be more robust. What about transport mechanisms? Have they all got Nak transports? I'm assuming they all give similar performances if used correctly, but of course, the CR-7 and Dragon will have later (but ? better) circuitry. It's a confusing world. Any help will be gratefully accepted. I'm letting the current ZX-7's and Dragon on eBay go until I've pondered longer. I hope I don't regret it. Many thanks, David Edwards From ti at amb.org Sun Sep 4 01:25:34 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Which model? In-Reply-To: <002a01c5b0d0$8ed81860$248bd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <20050903232534.67DD924E4B@smtp.amb.org> David Edwards writes: > ... > My preferred choice is between ZX-7/9, CR-7 and Dragon (obviously). > ... > The Dragon seems very complex and I wonder about long term performance if it > isn't kept regularly serviced Actually, the Dragon is quite good as far as maintenance is concerned, because it only has only one belt that drives the tape motion sensor. There are separate direct drive motors for each capstan. The main extra complexity is in the electronics (for NAAC auto play azimuth, etc.) but that has proven to be trouble-free. All bias/level adjustments are manual on the Dragon. The Dragon has the classic Nak tape transport. > The CR-7 is a bit more manual isn't it? and may prove more reliable long > term if there is less to become 'out of tune. The CR-7 has more belts (one direct drive motor for the take-up capstan, and the supply capstan is belt driven from the take-up). It has the Sankyo tape transport. It doesn't have NAAC but has a manually adjustable play azimuth knob (via an azimuth adjustment motor similar to the Dragon) so it's not less complex in the mechanical sense. If you have the remote control, you can even adjust the azimuth from the remote. The bias/level adjustments are automatic (microprocessor driven), and the CR-7 has more user-friendly ergonomics (better display). The main archilles heel of the CR-7 is that the idler tire needs to be replaced every few years, if it hasn't been upgraded to gear drive. But that's not a complex operation and the idler tire is cheap to obtain. Early CR-7s will require a recording EQ modification in order to perform correctly with some tapes. I have both a Dragon and a CR-7, but not the ZX-7 or ZX-9 so I won't comment on the latter. The sonic signatures of the Dragon differs from that of the CR-7. They both have the "Nak sound" but the Dragon is definitely the "warmer" sounding of the two. The CR-7 is leaner, perhaps more neutral of the two. The auto-calibration of the CR-7 is a two edged sword. It's very convenient and fast, you put the tape in, push a button, and the deck calibrates itself to match the tape for recording. But, you get what it gives you and there is no way to "fine tune" things. On the Dragon, the all-manual bias/level controls (separate sets for each tape type) takes more time and is more tedious to set, but they let you tweak to your heart's content. Some say that the CR-7 is the best deck for recording and the Dragon is the best for playback, and there is some merit to that argument, but I think you can't go wrong with either, as long as each is in good shape. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 03:58:20 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <000d01c5b0bc$7a764a40$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20050904015820.39033.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They may show 20 segments per channel, but, only one LED is behind each set of two segments. Also the bottom 2-segments are always on like a power on indicator and are therefore useless. Nakamichi used the Toshiba TA7612 10-LED bar graph indicator chip but for whatever reson only used 9 of the outputs (pin 3 unused) on the BX-300 and several other decks. It would be a simple task to make use of that extra segment by connecting the grounded leg of R762 and connecting it to IC750 pin 3. BTW: MR-1 Level Indicator Ass'y BA05545A 16 LEDs per side all dedicated to VU meters. Scott J. --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Wouter, I have a copy of the owner's manual for the BX-300 and the > BX-2. > Each shows 20 LED segments per channel. > > If you would like a copy of these manuals let me know. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: 03 September 2005 19:31 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments > > > Thanks Scott for bringing up this subject. > I've made a list from the service manuals on the displays for > several BX and > RX series Naks: > > > bx1 0b06378a display unit 10 > bx2 0b06378a display p.c.b. 10 > rx202e 0b12099a indicator LED 20 > bx100/e ba05089a indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 10 > bx125/e ba05089a indicator ass'y 10 > mr2 ba05089a level indicator ass'y 10 > bx150/e ba05135a indicator ass'y 10 > rx505/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? > rx303/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? > bx300/e ba05399a indicator ass'y 10 > mr1 > > 16 > > I dont have a copy of the MR-1 so if anyone can add that to the > list. > So it seems some units share the same pcb where others have a > different one. > If all of you that own one of these Naks can check the amount of > segments > (led's) listed in the last column then please let us all know so i > can > change this in the website. > > Wouter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 04:01:43 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <4319EBCC.8080407@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050904020143.95355.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I checked the schematic for the RX-202 and it is the same as the BX-300. Only 9 LEDs actually indicate level. Bottom LED is power on indicator. In this deck the grounded leg of R314 could be connected to IC301 pin 3 to make it function as level indicator. Scott J. --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Thanks Scott for bringing up this subject. > I've made a list from the service manuals on the displays for > several BX > and RX series Naks: > > bx1 0b06378a display unit 10 > bx2 0b06378a display p.c.b. 10 > rx202e 0b12099a indicator LED 20 > bx100/e ba05089a indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 10 > bx125/e ba05089a indicator ass'y 10 > mr2 ba05089a level indicator ass'y 10 > bx150/e ba05135a indicator ass'y 10 > rx505/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? > rx303/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? > bx300/e ba05399a indicator ass'y 10 > mr1 > > 16 > > > I dont have a copy of the MR-1 so if anyone can add that to the > list. > So it seems some units share the same pcb where others have a > different one. > If all of you that own one of these Naks can check the amount of > segments (led's) listed in the last column then please let us all > know > so i can change this in the website. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Sep 4 01:39:06 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:39:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <4319EBCC.8080407@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Wouter, I have the RX-505E and manually counting the leds they total 20 segments. Cheers. Kelvin. >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments >Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:30:36 +0200 > >Thanks Scott for bringing up this subject. >I've made a list from the service manuals on the displays for several BX >and RX series Naks: > >bx1 0b06378a display unit 10 >bx2 0b06378a display p.c.b. 10 >rx202e 0b12099a indicator LED 20 >bx100/e ba05089a indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 10 >bx125/e ba05089a indicator ass'y 10 >mr2 ba05089a level indicator ass'y 10 >bx150/e ba05135a indicator ass'y 10 >rx505/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? >rx303/e ba05214a indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit ? >bx300/e ba05399a indicator ass'y 10 >mr1 > > 16 > > >I dont have a copy of the MR-1 so if anyone can add that to the list. >So it seems some units share the same pcb where others have a different >one. >If all of you that own one of these Naks can check the amount of segments >(led's) listed in the last column then please let us all know so i can >change this in the website. > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Sep 4 10:46:05 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:46:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Which model? References: <20050903232534.67DD924E4B@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <000901c5b12d$16936410$2814d255@homeduron1300> Thanks very much Ti, that helps a lot. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Which model? > David Edwards writes: >> ... >> My preferred choice is between ZX-7/9, CR-7 and Dragon (obviously). >> ... >> The Dragon seems very complex and I wonder about long term performance if >> it >> isn't kept regularly serviced > > Actually, the Dragon is quite good as far as maintenance is concerned, > because it only has only one belt that drives the tape motion sensor. > There are separate direct drive motors for each capstan. The main > extra complexity is in the electronics (for NAAC auto play azimuth, etc.) > but that has proven to be trouble-free. All bias/level adjustments are > manual on the Dragon. The Dragon has the classic Nak tape transport. > >> The CR-7 is a bit more manual isn't it? and may prove more reliable long >> term if there is less to become 'out of tune. > > The CR-7 has more belts (one direct drive motor for the take-up capstan, > and the supply capstan is belt driven from the take-up). It has the > Sankyo tape transport. It doesn't have NAAC but has a manually adjustable > play azimuth knob (via an azimuth adjustment motor similar to the Dragon) > so it's not less complex in the mechanical sense. If you have the remote > control, you can even adjust the azimuth from the remote. The bias/level > adjustments are automatic (microprocessor driven), and the CR-7 has more > user-friendly ergonomics (better display). The main archilles heel of > the CR-7 is that the idler tire needs to be replaced every few years, > if it hasn't been upgraded to gear drive. But that's not a complex > operation and the idler tire is cheap to obtain. Early CR-7s will require > a recording EQ modification in order to perform correctly with some tapes. > > I have both a Dragon and a CR-7, but not the ZX-7 or ZX-9 so I won't > comment on the latter. The sonic signatures of the Dragon differs > from that of the CR-7. They both have the "Nak sound" but the Dragon > is definitely the "warmer" sounding of the two. The CR-7 is leaner, > perhaps more neutral of the two. > > The auto-calibration of the CR-7 is a two edged sword. It's very > convenient > and fast, you put the tape in, push a button, and the deck calibrates > itself to match the tape for recording. But, you get what it gives you > and there is no way to "fine tune" things. On the Dragon, the all-manual > bias/level controls (separate sets for each tape type) takes more time > and is more tedious to set, but they let you tweak to your heart's > content. > > Some say that the CR-7 is the best deck for recording and the Dragon is > the best for playback, and there is some merit to that argument, but I > think you can't go wrong with either, as long as each is in good shape. > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From daveharris at clear.net.nz Sun Sep 4 11:35:49 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:35:49 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? References: <200509031735_MC3-1-A8B3-53FB@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <005901c5b134$08ff9330$8f6165da@vurt> Yes extremely slow..... if you google ct-a9 some japanese sites have specs and some info on belt changing -- which I have done on the CT-A7 I will be geting hold of a calibration tape and oscilloscope soon so I'll have a crack at calibrating mine. It,s a very nice deck > Thanks Dave, > > This really is a very useful web-site, all the deck's functions are > properly described in the review . Unfortunately the site is very slooow. > > _Fuad > > > > I am lucky enought to have a CT-A7 (without Auto BLE) . There are some > good > > reviews explaining auto BLE on the CT-A9 at www.analogaudio.narod.ru many > brochure and review scans for classic tape decks live here > > Cheers Dave > >> Hello, >> >> I know there has been more pioneer talk than nakamichi lately, but I > would >> like to throw in my question as well since we are at it: I have a ct-a9 >> (1984 top model) with auto-BLE function and 3 bias switches. I don't have >> the user's manual, therefore I am just guessing their function. I will be >> happy if someone can scan its manual for me. >> >> Another thing I found out is the belts/idlers etc are still available > from >> www.pioneerelectronics.com. Click on the service/support and enter the >> model number to see the list of any available spare parts. >> >> Thanks, >> _Fuad >> > < > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Sep 4 12:44:53 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:44:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <20050904020143.95355.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050904020143.95355.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431AD025.3060901@xs4all.nl> Interesting reading Scott! I've taken a look at the service manual and indeed see that R762 is now connected to ground. Did you perform such a modification? I can try it on my BX-300. I'll check the other service manuals again. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: >I checked the schematic for the RX-202 and it is the same as the >BX-300. Only 9 LEDs actually indicate level. Bottom LED is power on >indicator. In this deck the grounded leg of R314 could be connected >to IC301 pin 3 to make it function as level indicator. > >Scott J. > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Sep 4 17:42:45 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 17:42:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <20050904020143.95355.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050904020143.95355.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431B15F5.3020409@xs4all.nl> Here's an update after investigating the service manuals: bx1 0b06378a ta7612ap display unit 9 (10) bx2 0b06378a ta7612ap display p.c.b. 9 (10) rx202e 0b12099a ta7612ap indicator LED 9 (10) bx100/e ba05089a ta7612ap indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 9 (10) bx125/e ba05089a ta7612ap indicator ass'y 9 (10) mr2 ba05089a ta7612ap level indicator ass'y 9 (10) bx150/e ba05135a ta7612ap indicator ass'y 9 (10) rx505/e ba05214a ta7612ap indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit 9 (10) rx303/e ba05214a ta7612ap indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit 9 (10) bx300/e ba05399a ta7612ap indicator ass'y 9 (10) mr1 ba05545a 16 cr3/a/e/o ta7612ap 10 cr4/a/e/o ta7612ap 10 cr2/a/e/o ta7612ap 10 cr1/a/e/o ta7612ap 10 Note that all (!!) use the same Toshiba display chip and even the cheaper CR decks! The difference with the CR decks is that they have all 10 leds functioning. Now i wonder which display chip the MR-1 uses, it must be different from the others. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: >I checked the schematic for the RX-202 and it is the same as the >BX-300. Only 9 LEDs actually indicate level. Bottom LED is power on >indicator. In this deck the grounded leg of R314 could be connected >to IC301 pin 3 to make it function as level indicator. > >Scott J. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Sep 4 18:18:58 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:18:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments In-Reply-To: <431B15F5.3020409@xs4all.nl> References: <20050904020143.95355.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <431B15F5.3020409@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <431B1E72.8080200@cox.net> Wouter - The MR-1 also uses the ta7612ap, but it uses two of them. Ten segments are driven by one IC, the remaining 6 by the second IC. There are four unused outputs on the second IC. This piqued my curiousity, so I consulted what other manuals I had and found this: The Dragon also uses a pair of ta7612's, utilizing all but one of the outputs to drive 19 segments as meters with the remaining segment always powered on through a resistor, acting as a power indicator lamp. The L X-3, LX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9 have 15 active segments driven by a single IC number MSL9350RS with one segment powered on all of the time. The 700ZXL has an arrangement of 30 LED's driven by two MSL9350's. I don't think one segment is always powered on, although I might be wrong. It's an interesting circuit. Tim Wouter Heijke wrote: > Here's an update after investigating the service manuals: > > bx1 0b06378a ta7612ap display unit 9 (10) > bx2 0b06378a ta7612ap display p.c.b. 9 (10) > rx202e 0b12099a ta7612ap indicator LED 9 (10) > bx100/e ba05089a ta7612ap indicator P.C.B. Ass'y 9 (10) > bx125/e ba05089a ta7612ap indicator ass'y 9 (10) > mr2 ba05089a ta7612ap level indicator ass'y 9 (10) > bx150/e ba05135a ta7612ap indicator ass'y 9 (10) > rx505/e ba05214a ta7612ap indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit 9 > (10) > rx303/e ba05214a ta7612ap indicator p.c.b. ass'y & display unit 9 > (10) > bx300/e ba05399a ta7612ap indicator ass'y 9 (10) > mr1 ba05545a > > 16 > cr3/a/e/o > ta7612ap > 10 > cr4/a/e/o > ta7612ap > 10 > cr2/a/e/o > ta7612ap > 10 > cr1/a/e/o > ta7612ap > 10 > > > Note that all (!!) use the same Toshiba display chip and even the > cheaper CR decks! The difference with the CR decks is that they have > all 10 leds functioning. > Now i wonder which display chip the MR-1 uses, it must be different > from the others. > > Wouter > > Scott Johnson wrote: > >>I checked the schematic for the RX-202 and it is the same as the >>BX-300. Only 9 LEDs actually indicate level. Bottom LED is power on >>indicator. In this deck the grounded leg of R314 could be connected >>to IC301 pin 3 to make it function as level indicator. >> >>Scott J. >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sun Sep 4 21:44:49 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (gerald guerrero) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:44:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. Message-ID: lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best Nakamichi decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck sometime around december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all the other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S BEST? -- Naturally, people don't want war....but it is a simple matter to drag the people along, they can always be brought to the the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY." --Hermann Goering From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 5 01:54:25 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:54:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b801c5b1ab$faf96720$2e9987d9@oemcomputer> Arcam Delta 100. But they are as rare as hen's teeth. The sound is superb, manual calibration much like the ZX7/9, Dolby B, C, and S, it's beautifully built (the feel is sturdy and professional) and all that it lacks IMHO is convenient (external) adjustable azimuth. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of gerald guerrero > Sent: 04 September 2005 20:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > > > lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best > Nakamichi > decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck > sometime around > december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all the > other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the > following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM > ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S > BEST? > > > From j.doupe at btinternet.com Mon Sep 5 14:08:58 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:08:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. References: Message-ID: <000b01c5b212$99173e80$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Gerald, I'm not sure if you can get your hands on one, but if you can you could try getting hold of a NAD Monitor 6300 tape deck. It's sound quality is excellent with a very natural and open soundstage. These retailed for £600 back in the 80's and early 90's I managed to get the last one in the UK NAD warehouse, so I feel very fortunate to have mine. However people do tend to hold onto them as they are excellent decks, but if you ever see one for sale, it's worth getting. I'm sure several of the Nakers on the forum would agree with my judgement. Kind Regards Jonathan (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerald guerrero" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best Nakamichi > decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck sometime around > december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all the > other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the > following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM > ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S > BEST? > > -- > > Naturally, people don't want war....but it is a simple matter to drag the > people along, they can always be brought to the the bidding of the > leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being > attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing > the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY." --Hermann > Goering > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From j.doupe at btinternet.com Mon Sep 5 15:48:09 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:48:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. References: Message-ID: <009d01c5b220$73ac0c80$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Here's an old review of the NAD Monitor 6300 from Hi-Fi Choice magazine, issue no. 63 October 1988, and yes I know I hoard my Hi-Fi mags, and my Audi Driver mags, but so far I don't have a wife to nag me to get rid of them, lol. NAD 6300 : NAD tell me that they suffer from a 'perceived value' problem with this 3-head Dolby B/C remote control deck - there are too few controls and displays to justify the price in many people's eyes. Perhaps many people have problems with their eyesight... General reaction to the appearance is positive: the NAD has a discreet charm and a splash of originality unique amongst the decks submitted this year (originality often is unique, I have found). It also has some surprises. Dolby HX Pro is combind with Dyneq processing to improve working dynamic range. And something called Play Trim can adjust the replay equalisation applied to old or incorrectly processed tapes, but does so inside the Dolby replay loop which reduces the processing required by a half. Dyneq is a recording limiter which operates on high level HF signals to prevent them causing LF intermodulation. It does so in conjunction with Dolby HX Pro, and is designed to work only when the system would otherwise be in clip. The NAD is a superb ergonomic design, my only criticisms being that the power switch should be further away from the cassette door open buttom, and that the (28db high resolution) record level meters are too bright. Elsewhere NAD has managed to keep the control count as low as practical - the MPX switch is on the back panel for example. Sensible grouping and the imaginative use of colour and control style makes the deck as near intuitively obvious to use as possible. Elsewhere, the electronic counter has a real time option, and tape and Dolby switching uses sensible lever switches. But I do miss a memory counter and automatic tape recognition, not to mention the almost inevitable headphone socket. The transport accomodates 'punch-in' recording, and the cassette well is illuminated. The remote control addresses the main transport features including 'record', and a full NAD system remote handset will be available soon (it says here). For car cassette users in particular, the deck features a switchable compressor to reduce recorded dynamic range, and so make quiet passages more audible in an environment with inherently high high background noise. LAB REPORT The '6300 aims to offer low scrape flutter and good speed stability, and achieves these ends in some style. The transport is a dual capstain diffused resonance design (shades of Nakamichi) of a quality level that doesn't grow on trees. The wow and flutter figures are remarkably fine (0.05% DIN Wtd), and the noise modulation spectrum is sharp and clean, albeit with some discreet sidebands at very low level. Remarkably well extended at both ends of the passband, the responce curves all show a sharp, high Q lift at high frequencies which is not completely correctable by bias adjustment. The playback responce shape is good at the normal setting of the play trim control, and the effect of minimum and maximum settings have also been included for information. SOUND QUALITY Dyneq works rather well. It can be treated almost like an auto-level control circuit, and is very nearly undetectable unless you know what you're listening for. It can be cracked if the deck is really abused , but with common sense one is free to use very high record levels without compression, tape noise virtually disappearing at the other end of the volume spectrum. This facilitates purist non-Dolby recordings which in turn help retain that much more of the life of the original. The sound of this deck is quite distinctive. Not wholly neautral, it has a rounded kind of feel. The HF end isn't as open or as airy as the best, and the '6300 never sounds as detailed as some. But the sound picture is remarkably homogenous, with excellent dynamics and a truly 3-D quality rarefrom cassettes. Image stability and seperation are remarkable. CONCLUSIONS This is the nearest thing to a minimalist audiophile low-spec recorder this side of some of the best Nakamichis. The hefty price can only be justified by the sound; Recomended, but I feel bound to suggest it's a bit overpriced TEST RESULTS Rec/replay responce - 3dB ref 1kHz IEC type I <20Hz - 22kHz IEC type II <20Hz - 22kHz IEC type IV <20Hz - 22.5kHz Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd 0.05%/0.09% Wow/Flutter Peak DIN wtd 0.04%/0.08% Speed error +0.75% Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 52dB Distortion 0dB 0.6% Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 56dB Distortion 0dB 1.2% Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 53dB Diatortion 0dB 0.8% Channel seperation OVU/1kHz 47.5dB Line input sensitivity/overload 52mV/>7V Line output for 0dB/maximum 562mV/2.3V IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10 kHz/11kHz 0dB 0.8% Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz 20 degrees VU indication at IEC 0dB 1dB Dimensions (w x h x d) 43.5 x 12 x 28cms Typical Retail Price £649 The issue did a 73 cassette decks summarised, but I can only count 30 so I think it may bave been a printing error on the magazine front cover. They should have sacked their proof reader, lol. The 30 cassete decks they are as follows AIWA AD-F370 AIWA XK-007 AIWA XK-009 AIWA EXCELIA XD-001 DENON DR-M10HX DENON DR-M34HR DUAL CC8010 JVC TD-W222 JVC TD-V711 KENWOOD KX-440HX KENWOOD KX-660 LUXMAN KD-117 NAD 6300 NAKAMICHI RX-202E ONKYO TA 2120 PIONEER CT-443 PIONEER CT-737 PIONEER D-1000 SONY TCW300 SONY TC-RX50 SONY TC-RX60ES SONY TC-RX80ES SONY DTC-M100 SONY DTC-M1000ES TEAC V-250 TEAC V-270C TEAC V-870 TECHNICS RS-B355 TECHNICS RS-T230 TECHNICS RS-T330 If any of my fellow Nakers would like info on any of the above older decks, please feel free to ask as I have the reviews for all of them like I have put forward for the NAD 6300. Jonathan (Southort) ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerald guerrero" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best Nakamichi > decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck sometime around > december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all the > other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the > following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM > ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S > BEST? > > -- > > Naturally, people don't want war....but it is a simple matter to drag the > people along, they can always be brought to the the bidding of the > leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being > attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing > the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY." --Hermann > Goering > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Mon Sep 5 16:52:39 2005 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:52:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-2 Message-ID: <431C5BB7.7060101@bluewin.ch> Hello Nakers By pure chance I saw in my hometown a Nakamichi BX-2 for sale. The price is 190.- Swiss Francs. If someone is interested: The dealers e-mail-address is: schlegel_hifi at spin.ch. I am owner of a Nakamichi Dragon and a TEAC R-919X. So I don't need a third tape deck. Concerning the TEAC I am not informed about the quality of the maschine. Can somebody give me a hint in comparison to Naks? Friendly regards F.A.R. From bargerg4469 at comcast.net Mon Sep 5 19:27:20 2005 From: bargerg4469 at comcast.net (bargerg4469 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:27:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On Ebay Message-ID: <090520051727.5023.431C7FF8000CC2F70000139F2207300793C7C0CBCB099D0A099D0E0D@comcast.net> Orange caps replaced by Stephen Sank. Original owner. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-ZX-7-in-Excellent-Condition_W0QQitemZ5806092408QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Mon Sep 5 20:24:09 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:24:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Serial numbers Message-ID: <001a01c5b247$02a18890$9504d255@homeduron1300> Hi guys, This might be best directed towards the webmaster, but in any case the answers may be helpful to others, so here goes. I find the Nak.com site a little hard to get the most out of. I'm sure it has hidden depths I have so far failed to plumb and I wondered if there was any facility for putting in a machine's serial number and finding out anything about it. The year of manufacture for example, or if it has been registered with the site before? I have just purchased (well I hope I have, as I haven't heard from the seller yet) a Dragon on eBay (where else?) and the serial number was given as 27026. I was hoping this might help me find some info about the deck. If the Nak.com site can't help with this, is there any other way of doing so? Many thanks, David Edwards From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 21:13:43 2005 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: BALA C. and Kermit G. Message-ID: <20050905191343.26423.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Not better, but 'very comparable' to the best Naks: Akai GX-95 Harman Kardon TD-4800 JVC TD-V1050 Luxman K-05 (most beautiful deck I've ever seen) Pioneer CT-41 Elite Sony TC-K950ES Teac V-9000 Esoteric There would be a few more, but I only listed the decks I actually have. Victor >That is why i am asking the following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR >TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE >FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S BEST? From nakamichi at ispwest.com Mon Sep 5 21:59:47 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:59:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. Message-ID: <290153ed84b84e469d9155adcc763a06.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Hi,Jonathan!Would you kindly provide reviews for Aiwa-009 & Teac V-870 cassette decks?Thank you so much in advance.Sincerely,Maksim. From: Jonathan Doupe [mailto:j.doupe at btinternet.com] Sent: 9/5/2005 6:48:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > Here's an old review of the NAD Monitor 6300 from Hi-Fi Choice magazine, > issue no. 63 October 1988, and yes I know I hoard my Hi-Fi mags, and my Audi > Driver mags, but so far I don't have a wife to nag me to get rid of them, > lol. > > NAD 6300 : > > NAD tell me that they suffer from a 'perceived value' problem with this > 3-head Dolby B/C remote control deck - there are too few controls and > displays to justify the price in many people's eyes. Perhaps many people > have problems with their eyesight... > General reaction to the appearance is positive: the NAD has a discreet > charm and a splash of originality unique amongst the decks submitted this > year (originality often is unique, I have found). It also has some > surprises. Dolby HX Pro is combind with Dyneq processing to improve working > dynamic range. And something called Play Trim can adjust the replay > equalisation applied to old or incorrectly processed tapes, but does so > inside the Dolby replay loop which reduces the processing required by a > half. > Dyneq is a recording limiter which operates on high level HF signals to > prevent them causing LF intermodulation. It does so in conjunction with > Dolby HX Pro, and is designed to work only when the system would otherwise > be in clip. > The NAD is a superb ergonomic design, my only criticisms being that the > power switch should be further away from the cassette door open buttom, and > that the (28db high resolution) record level meters are too bright. > Elsewhere NAD has managed to keep the control count as low as practical - > the MPX switch is on the back panel for example. Sensible grouping and the > imaginative use of colour and control style makes the deck as near > intuitively obvious to use as possible. > Elsewhere, the electronic counter has a real time option, and tape and > Dolby switching uses sensible lever switches. But I do miss a memory counter > and automatic tape recognition, not to mention the almost inevitable > headphone socket. The transport accomodates 'punch-in' recording, and the > cassette well is illuminated. The remote control addresses the main > transport features including 'record', and a full NAD system remote handset > will be available soon (it says here). > For car cassette users in particular, the deck features a switchable > compressor to reduce recorded dynamic range, and so make quiet passages more > audible in an environment with inherently high high background noise. > > LAB REPORT > > The '6300 aims to offer low scrape flutter and good speed stability, and > achieves these ends in some style. The transport is a dual capstain diffused > resonance design (shades of Nakamichi) of a quality level that doesn't grow > on trees. The wow and flutter figures are remarkably fine (0.05% DIN Wtd), > and the noise modulation spectrum is sharp and clean, albeit with some > discreet sidebands at very low level. > Remarkably well extended at both ends of the passband, the responce > curves all show a sharp, high Q lift at high frequencies which is not > completely correctable by bias adjustment. The playback responce shape is > good at the normal setting of the play trim control, and the effect of > minimum and maximum settings have also been included for information. > > SOUND QUALITY > > Dyneq works rather well. It can be treated almost like an auto-level control > circuit, and is very nearly undetectable unless you know what you're > listening for. It can be cracked if the deck is really abused , but with > common sense one is free to use very high record levels without compression, > tape noise virtually disappearing at the other end of the volume spectrum. > This facilitates purist non-Dolby recordings which in turn help retain that > much more of the life of the original. > The sound of this deck is quite distinctive. Not wholly neautral, it has > a rounded kind of feel. The HF end isn't as open or as airy as the best, and > the '6300 never sounds as detailed as some. But the sound picture is > remarkably homogenous, with excellent dynamics and a truly 3-D quality > rarefrom cassettes. Image stability and seperation are remarkable. > > CONCLUSIONS > > This is the nearest thing to a minimalist audiophile low-spec recorder this > side of some of the best Nakamichis. The hefty price can only be justified > by the sound; Recomended, but I feel bound to suggest it's a bit overpriced > > TEST RESULTS > > Rec/replay responce - 3dB ref 1kHz > IEC type I > <20Hz - 22kHz > IEC type II > <20Hz - 22kHz > IEC type IV > <20Hz - 22.5kHz > Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd > 0.05%/0.09% > Wow/Flutter Peak DIN wtd > 0.04%/0.08% > Speed error > +0.75% > Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz > 52dB > Distortion 0dB > 0.6% > Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz > 56dB > Distortion 0dB > 1.2% > Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz > 53dB > Diatortion 0dB > 0.8% > Channel seperation OVU/1kHz > 47.5dB > Line input sensitivity/overload > 52mV/>7V > Line output for 0dB/maximum > 562mV/2.3V > IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10 kHz/11kHz 0dB > 0.8% > Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz > 20 degrees > VU indication at IEC 0dB > 1dB > Dimensions (w x h x d) > 43.5 x 12 x 28cms > Typical Retail Price > £649 > > The issue did a 73 cassette decks summarised, but I can only count 30 so I > think it may bave been a printing error on the magazine front cover. They > should have sacked their proof reader, lol. The 30 cassete decks they are as > follows > > AIWA AD-F370 > AIWA XK-007 > AIWA XK-009 > AIWA EXCELIA XD-001 > DENON DR-M10HX > DENON DR-M34HR > DUAL CC8010 > JVC TD-W222 > JVC TD-V711 > KENWOOD KX-440HX > KENWOOD KX-660 > LUXMAN KD-117 > NAD 6300 > NAKAMICHI RX-202E > ONKYO TA 2120 > PIONEER CT-443 > PIONEER CT-737 > PIONEER D-1000 > SONY TCW300 > SONY TC-RX50 > SONY TC-RX60ES > SONY TC-RX80ES > SONY DTC-M100 > SONY DTC-M1000ES > TEAC V-250 > TEAC V-270C > TEAC V-870 > TECHNICS RS-B355 > TECHNICS RS-T230 > TECHNICS RS-T330 > > If any of my fellow Nakers would like info on any of the above older decks, > please feel free to ask as I have the reviews for all of them like I have > put forward for the NAD 6300. > > Jonathan (Southort) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gerald guerrero" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:44 PM > Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > > > > lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best Nakamichi > > decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck sometime around > > december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all the > > other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the > > following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM > > ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S > > BEST? > > > > -- > > > > Naturally, people don't want war....but it is a simple matter to drag the > > people along, they can always be brought to the the bidding of the > > leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being > > attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing > > the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY." --Hermann > > Goering > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Tue Sep 6 09:59:12 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 00:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Serial numbers In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b247$02a18890$9504d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <20050906075912.C9B2B1605F@smtp.amb.org> David Edwards writes: > I have just purchased (well I hope I have, as I haven't heard from the > seller yet) a Dragon on eBay (where else?) and the serial number was given > as 27026. My Dragon has serial number 28975 so it's only a bit newer than yours. The production date on mine is the 3rd quarter of 1991. When you get yuor Dragon check its rear panel for a round sticker which has the production date. The center of the sticker shows the two-digit year, and the top has the months (for example, "1-2-3" refers to the 1st quarter). -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Sep 6 20:48:03 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:48:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Serial numbers References: <20050906075912.C9B2B1605F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <000b01c5b313$83b2c990$692ad255@homeduron1300> Thanks Ti, You've been a great help - once again. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Serial numbers > David Edwards writes: >> I have just purchased (well I hope I have, as I haven't heard from the >> seller yet) a Dragon on eBay (where else?) and the serial number was >> given >> as 27026. > > My Dragon has serial number 28975 so it's only a bit newer than yours. > The production date on mine is the 3rd quarter of 1991. When you get > yuor Dragon check its rear panel for a round sticker which has the > production date. The center of the sticker shows the two-digit year, > and the top has the months (for example, "1-2-3" refers to the 1st > quarter). > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From j.doupe at btinternet.com Thu Sep 8 20:48:32 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:48:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. References: <290153ed84b84e469d9155adcc763a06.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <002501c5b4a5$e9aa1ad0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Maksim, It's taken a while to type all this out, but here it is for you. Kind regards Jonathan Aiwa XK-009 This new £550 3-head model is Aiwa's long awaited flagship. Built on a lavish scale with excellent build quality, this Excelia has wood end cheeks and 'power bulges' at the back for two dedicated transport and audio transformers. Dolby B, C, and dbx noise reduction are all fitted - the latter a 'catch-all' provision aimed mainly at the US market where this system still (unaccountably) has a strong following. MPX filtering is independently switchable, and Dolby HX processing works continuously in the background. The display is superb, the meters covering a massive 54dB range with peak hold LED's which are automatically or manually released - your choice. The '009 has tape bias and sensitivity adjustment using a 'match scale and pointer' scheme with an alternative meter display mode and built in 400Hz and 10kHz oscillators. This simple, two stage process takes about ten seconds, but is limited by the ability to store settings for only one tape type. The features list includes the (amazingly noisy when engaging) anti modulation tape stabiliser also fitted to the cheaper XK-007, a real time tape counter (with memory stop or play), and an extra line input labelled 'CD/DAT Direct' which bypasses the decks early amplifier stages. Headphone monitoring level is adjustable. The transport itself engages quietly and incorporates some extras like audible cue and review. The heads are amorphous alloy types with PC-OCC wiring that claims one crystal boundary/meter. Aiwa claim a low 0.018% WRMS wow and flutter figure, partly because the tape stabiliser reduces intermodulation caused by vibration or resonance in th4e cassette shell (mounting the well screened heads on a heavy cast headblock also helps) LAB REPORT Choice doesn't use the unrealistically optimistic WRMS weighting curve, but even so Aiwa's claims seem short of reality on this occasion. Wow and flutter is low, and the spectrum analysis looks impressively clean, but there is a significant (unrepresentative?) wow component - confirmed with several different test tapes. Elsewhere 009 does well. The frequency response shapes are very well tailored and well extended at LF and HF alike. Likewise the playback response, and the various noise and distortion figures. On overall evidence then, this is an impressive recorder. SOUND QUALITY Replay sound quality from commercially recorded tapes tended towards brightness. Musically '009 works well here, but there's no escaping a degree of high frequency splashiness. This produces something of an 'edge of the seat' experience with some types of material - close miked percussion for example. There were other occasions too when I had cause to doubt high frequency performance which often seemed semi-detached. I formed a distinct preference for the minimum necessary noise reduction, dbx recordings suffering the problems of noise pumping behind low frequency transients (you can always catch it out with piano) and loss of image scale and clarity. Non-Dolby and dbx recordings were extremely impressive. I made some remarkably fine tapes at hair-raisingly hi levels, using Sony Metal-ES which would have been unusable without the tape calibration system. There was scarcely any sign of compression or noise, even with wide dynamic range chamber music - a tribute to both tape and machine. The rest of the picture remains entirely positive. The '009 is quick and light on it's feet, with minimal overhang and an excellent sense of pitch at low frequencies. The midband sounds impressively sharp and open, and although the off-tape sound is always distinguishable from the direct sound (monitored at the amplifier during playback, not the cassette deck while recording), value judgements were often surprisingly close. CONCLUSIONS This is a first rate recorder even at £550. Ignore the noise reduction circuits which sap much vigour from the sound; use good tapes and enjoy. First though, buy the recorder. TEST RESULTS Rec/replay response - 3dB ref 1kHz IEC Type I <20Hz - 21kHz IEC Type II <20Hz - 19kHz IEC Type IV <20Hz - 22kHz Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd 0.15%/0.16% Wow/Flutter - Peak DIN wtd 0.11%/0.13% Speed error +0.75% Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 52.5dB distortion 0dB 0.8% Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 54dB distortion 0dB 0.85% Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 51dB distortion 0dB 0.6% Channel separation OVU/1kHz 46dB Line input sensitivity/overload 113mV/>7V Line output for 0dB/maximum 1038mV/5.9V IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10kHz/11kHz 0dB 0.56% Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz 10 degrees VU indication at IEC 0dB 6dB Dimensions (w x h x d) 47 x 13.5 x 43.5cms Typical Retail Price £550 Teac V-870 Teac aficionados will recognise this machine as a stripped down V-970X, especially now I've told them. For the record, the £400 V-870 omits such features as dbx noise reduction, remote control, some of the clever tape search facilities and the signal generator used in the tape alignment system, adding up to a £100 saving. That still leaves one very well endowed cassette deck. The basics are a unidirectional transport with closed-loop dual-capstan transport, plus three heads mounted on a diecast alloy base, which offers full real time off-tape monitoring. Although dbx is left out (which won't upset too many people in this country - dbx tends to go one better in the US where mainstream magazines still encourage people to choose hi-fi 'by the numbers'), the deck is nevertheless equipped with Dolby B and C (with a separate MPX filter switch), and also has HX Pro headroom expansion circuitry. The omission of the on-board oscillator doesn't mean there's no tape alignment system; there is, using the source/tape monitor switch and ears as final arbiters when setting up. Type I and II tape bias and sensitivity can be set for each channel independently, but for type IV's Teac somewhat enigmatically state: "due to the characteristics of metal tape, the deck cannot be calibrated for optimum response with this type of tape." The meters cover 32dB in two colours and with best case 2dB resolution. The electronic tape counter reads in either arbitrary numbers or elapsed playing time, and is associated with block repeat and memory play facilities. There's quite a lot of attention to detail, which extends to gold plated socketry on the back (to resist corrosion) and a back lit tape well so that an approximate idea of tape position is always readily available. Headphone monitoring level is adjustable, which is still far from common. Tape/source monitor switching is automatic but can be operated manually. Little expense has been spared with the 3 dual-capstan 3-motor transport, which offers superb stability and excellent tape/head contact. LAB REPORT The spectrum analysis shows little more than the ideal sharp, single spike at the 3150Hz test frequency. The figures support this analysis: the unweighted wow and flutter figure is better than most decks weighted one! The various record/replay responses look a bit of a mess, but in reality they're simply the opening bid with the tapes used with normal bias and sensitivity settings (i.e. with the relevant controls centred). The bass end remains a little excessive whatever, bit the mid and top can be flattened out with no real difficulty. The playback response (which is not readily amendable to adjustment) is almost perfectly accurate and the Dolby circuits are well integrated. Noise and distortion figures are also adequate. SOUND QUALITY This Teac gave genuinely excellent sound quality with both pre-recorded material and also its own recordings. The trademark of the deck is it's razor sharp clarity. The combination of Dolby HX Pro and the ability to tweak almost any tape into a more or less flat frequency response goes a long way to making the deck transparent to the tape. A wide range of tapes are suitable, though there was a tendency for higher energy type II's to work best. This is one of the few decks able to make sense of capable but oddball tapes like TDK AD-X or That's Type II metals. As with other high resolution recorders, use without noise reduction was preferred where possible. The excellence of the transport endows the deck with a certainty and stability rare at this price. For all the good bits, however, the '870 lacks a certain something - subtlety, euphony, expressiveness, call it what you will. The result of this is a tight, dry and synthetic overlay and an almost palpable electronic fingerprint to the sound. CONCLUSIONS An inch short of true excellence, the Teac '870 does almost everything right, It only lacks the sparkle of transparency and life. We're entitled to take a critical view at this price level, but it still earns a Recommended flag. Rec/replay response - 3dB ref 1kHz IEC Type I <20Hz - 22kHz IEC Type II <20Hz - 22.5kHz IEC Type IV <20Hz - 21.5kHz Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd 0.054%/0.098% Wow/Flutter - Peak DIN wtd 0.05%/0.088% Speed error +0.75% Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 53dB distortion 0dB 1.05% Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 56dB distortion 0dB 2.2% Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 53dB distortion 0dB 1.2% Channel separation OVU/1kHz 46.5dB Line input sensitivity/overload 95mV/>7V Line output for 0dB/maximum 524mV/3.1V IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10kHz/11kHz 0dB 0.28% Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz 14 degrees VU indication at IEC 0dB 2dB Dimensions (w x h x d) 43.5 x 12.5 x 28cms Typical Retail Price £399 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > Hi,Jonathan!Would you kindly provide reviews for Aiwa-009 & Teac V-870 > cassette decks?Thank you so much in advance.Sincerely,Maksim. > From: Jonathan Doupe [mailto:j.doupe at btinternet.com] > Sent: 9/5/2005 6:48:09 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > >> Here's an old review of the NAD Monitor 6300 from Hi-Fi Choice magazine, >> issue no. 63 October 1988, and yes I know I hoard my Hi-Fi mags, and my >> Audi >> Driver mags, but so far I don't have a wife to nag me to get rid of them, >> lol. >> >> NAD 6300 : >> >> NAD tell me that they suffer from a 'perceived value' problem with this >> 3-head Dolby B/C remote control deck - there are too few controls and >> displays to justify the price in many people's eyes. Perhaps many people >> have problems with their eyesight... >> General reaction to the appearance is positive: the NAD has a >> discreet >> charm and a splash of originality unique amongst the decks submitted this >> year (originality often is unique, I have found). It also has some >> surprises. Dolby HX Pro is combind with Dyneq processing to improve >> working >> dynamic range. And something called Play Trim can adjust the replay >> equalisation applied to old or incorrectly processed tapes, but does so >> inside the Dolby replay loop which reduces the processing required by a >> half. >> Dyneq is a recording limiter which operates on high level HF signals >> to >> prevent them causing LF intermodulation. It does so in conjunction with >> Dolby HX Pro, and is designed to work only when the system would >> otherwise >> be in clip. >> The NAD is a superb ergonomic design, my only criticisms being that >> the >> power switch should be further away from the cassette door open buttom, >> and >> that the (28db high resolution) record level meters are too bright. >> Elsewhere NAD has managed to keep the control count as low as practical - >> the MPX switch is on the back panel for example. Sensible grouping and >> the >> imaginative use of colour and control style makes the deck as near >> intuitively obvious to use as possible. >> Elsewhere, the electronic counter has a real time option, and tape >> and >> Dolby switching uses sensible lever switches. But I do miss a memory >> counter >> and automatic tape recognition, not to mention the almost inevitable >> headphone socket. The transport accomodates 'punch-in' recording, and the >> cassette well is illuminated. The remote control addresses the main >> transport features including 'record', and a full NAD system remote >> handset >> will be available soon (it says here). >> For car cassette users in particular, the deck features a switchable >> compressor to reduce recorded dynamic range, and so make quiet passages >> more >> audible in an environment with inherently high high background noise. >> >> LAB REPORT >> >> The '6300 aims to offer low scrape flutter and good speed stability, and >> achieves these ends in some style. The transport is a dual capstain >> diffused >> resonance design (shades of Nakamichi) of a quality level that doesn't >> grow >> on trees. The wow and flutter figures are remarkably fine (0.05% DIN >> Wtd), >> and the noise modulation spectrum is sharp and clean, albeit with some >> discreet sidebands at very low level. >> Remarkably well extended at both ends of the passband, the responce >> curves all show a sharp, high Q lift at high frequencies which is not >> completely correctable by bias adjustment. The playback responce shape is >> good at the normal setting of the play trim control, and the effect of >> minimum and maximum settings have also been included for information. >> >> SOUND QUALITY >> >> Dyneq works rather well. It can be treated almost like an auto-level >> control >> circuit, and is very nearly undetectable unless you know what you're >> listening for. It can be cracked if the deck is really abused , but with >> common sense one is free to use very high record levels without >> compression, >> tape noise virtually disappearing at the other end of the volume >> spectrum. >> This facilitates purist non-Dolby recordings which in turn help retain >> that >> much more of the life of the original. >> The sound of this deck is quite distinctive. Not wholly neautral, it >> has >> a rounded kind of feel. The HF end isn't as open or as airy as the best, >> and >> the '6300 never sounds as detailed as some. But the sound picture is >> remarkably homogenous, with excellent dynamics and a truly 3-D quality >> rarefrom cassettes. Image stability and seperation are remarkable. >> >> CONCLUSIONS >> >> This is the nearest thing to a minimalist audiophile low-spec recorder >> this >> side of some of the best Nakamichis. The hefty price can only be >> justified >> by the sound; Recomended, but I feel bound to suggest it's a bit >> overpriced >> >> TEST RESULTS >> >> Rec/replay responce - 3dB ref 1kHz >> IEC type I >> <20Hz - 22kHz >> IEC type II >> <20Hz - 22kHz >> IEC type IV >> <20Hz - 22.5kHz >> Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd >> 0.05%/0.09% >> Wow/Flutter Peak DIN wtd >> 0.04%/0.08% >> Speed error >> +0.75% >> Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz >> 52dB >> Distortion 0dB >> 0.6% >> Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz >> 56dB >> Distortion 0dB >> 1.2% >> Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz >> 53dB >> Diatortion 0dB >> 0.8% >> Channel seperation OVU/1kHz >> 47.5dB >> Line input sensitivity/overload >> 52mV/>7V >> Line output for 0dB/maximum >> 562mV/2.3V >> IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10 kHz/11kHz 0dB >> 0.8% >> Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz >> 20 degrees >> VU indication at IEC 0dB >> 1dB >> Dimensions (w x h x d) >> 43.5 x 12 x 28cms >> Typical Retail Price >> £649 >> >> The issue did a 73 cassette decks summarised, but I can only count 30 so >> I >> think it may bave been a printing error on the magazine front cover. They >> should have sacked their proof reader, lol. The 30 cassete decks they are >> as >> follows >> >> AIWA AD-F370 >> AIWA XK-007 >> AIWA XK-009 >> AIWA EXCELIA XD-001 >> DENON DR-M10HX >> DENON DR-M34HR >> DUAL CC8010 >> JVC TD-W222 >> JVC TD-V711 >> KENWOOD KX-440HX >> KENWOOD KX-660 >> LUXMAN KD-117 >> NAD 6300 >> NAKAMICHI RX-202E >> ONKYO TA 2120 >> PIONEER CT-443 >> PIONEER CT-737 >> PIONEER D-1000 >> SONY TCW300 >> SONY TC-RX50 >> SONY TC-RX60ES >> SONY TC-RX80ES >> SONY DTC-M100 >> SONY DTC-M1000ES >> TEAC V-250 >> TEAC V-270C >> TEAC V-870 >> TECHNICS RS-B355 >> TECHNICS RS-T230 >> TECHNICS RS-T330 >> >> If any of my fellow Nakers would like info on any of the above older >> decks, >> please feel free to ask as I have the reviews for all of them like I have >> put forward for the NAD 6300. >> >> Jonathan (Southort) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gerald guerrero" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:44 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. >> >> >> > lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best >> > Nakamichi >> > decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck sometime >> > around >> > december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all >> > the >> > other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the >> > following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM >> > ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S >> > BEST? >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Naturally, people don't want war....but it is a simple matter to drag >> > the >> > people along, they can always be brought to the the bidding of the >> > leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are >> > being >> > attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and >> > exposing >> > the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY." --Hermann >> > Goering >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Sep 9 00:45:35 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:45:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? Message-ID: What would you say is the best two head Nakamichi deck? Although different Naks are preferred for different reasons, What would your vote be? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Sep 9 06:38:33 2005 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:38:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. Message-ID: <166694a183e44472bf8ce8fd84ff13a5.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Thank you so much,Jonathan!I guess it was written by Alvin Gold?..I also have a lot of reviews...Please tell me what interests you...Thanks again.Maksim From: Jonathan Doupe [mailto:j.doupe at btinternet.com] Sent: 9/8/2005 11:48:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > Hi Maksim, > It's taken a while to type all this out, but here it is > for you. > > Kind regards > > Jonathan > > Aiwa XK-009 > > > This new £550 3-head model is Aiwa's long awaited flagship. Built on a > lavish scale with excellent build quality, this Excelia has wood end cheeks > and 'power bulges' at the back for two dedicated transport and audio > transformers. Dolby B, C, and dbx noise reduction are all fitted - the > latter a 'catch-all' provision aimed mainly at the US market where this > system still (unaccountably) has a strong following. MPX filtering is > independently switchable, and Dolby HX processing works continuously in the > background. The display is superb, the meters covering a massive 54dB range > with peak hold LED's which are automatically or manually released - your > choice. > > The '009 has tape bias and sensitivity adjustment using a 'match > scale and pointer' scheme with an alternative meter display mode and built > in 400Hz and 10kHz oscillators. This simple, two stage process takes about > ten seconds, but is limited by the ability to store settings for only one > tape type. > > The features list includes the (amazingly noisy when engaging) > anti modulation tape stabiliser also fitted to the cheaper XK-007, a real > time tape counter (with memory stop or play), and an extra line input > labelled 'CD/DAT Direct' which bypasses the decks early amplifier stages. > Headphone monitoring level is adjustable. The transport itself engages > quietly and incorporates some extras like audible cue and review. > > The heads are amorphous alloy types with PC-OCC wiring that > claims one crystal boundary/meter. Aiwa claim a low 0.018% WRMS wow and > flutter figure, partly because the tape stabiliser reduces intermodulation > caused by vibration or resonance in th4e cassette shell (mounting the well > screened heads on a heavy cast headblock also helps) > > > > LAB REPORT > > > > Choice doesn't use the unrealistically optimistic WRMS weighting curve, but > even so Aiwa's claims seem short of reality on this occasion. Wow and > flutter is low, and the spectrum analysis looks impressively clean, but > there is a significant (unrepresentative?) wow component - confirmed with > several different test tapes. > > Elsewhere 009 does well. The frequency response shapes are very > well tailored and well extended at LF and HF alike. Likewise the playback > response, and the various noise and distortion figures. On overall evidence > then, this is an impressive recorder. > > > > SOUND QUALITY > > > > Replay sound quality from commercially recorded tapes tended towards > brightness. Musically '009 works well here, but there's no escaping a degree > of high frequency splashiness. This produces something of an 'edge of the > seat' experience with some types of material - close miked percussion for > example. > > There were other occasions too when I had cause to doubt high > frequency performance which often seemed semi-detached. I formed a distinct > preference for the minimum necessary noise reduction, dbx recordings > suffering the problems of noise pumping behind low frequency transients (you > can always catch it out with piano) and loss of image scale and clarity. > > Non-Dolby and dbx recordings were extremely impressive. I made > some remarkably fine tapes at hair-raisingly hi levels, using Sony Metal-ES > which would have been unusable without the tape calibration system. There > was scarcely any sign of compression or noise, even with wide dynamic range > chamber music - a tribute to both tape and machine. > > The rest of the picture remains entirely positive. The '009 is > quick and light on it's feet, with minimal overhang and an excellent sense > of pitch at low frequencies. The midband sounds impressively sharp and open, > and although the off-tape sound is always distinguishable from the direct > sound (monitored at the amplifier during playback, not the cassette deck > while recording), value judgements were often surprisingly close. > > > > CONCLUSIONS > > > > This is a first rate recorder even at £550. Ignore the noise reduction > circuits which sap much vigour from the sound; use good tapes and enjoy. > First though, buy the recorder. > > > > TEST RESULTS > > > > Rec/replay response - 3dB ref 1kHz > > IEC Type I <20Hz - > 21kHz > > IEC Type II <20Hz - > 19kHz > > IEC Type IV <20Hz - > 22kHz > > Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd 0.15%/0.16% > > Wow/Flutter - Peak DIN wtd 0.11%/0.13% > > Speed error > +0.75% > > Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 52.5dB > > distortion 0dB > 0.8% > > Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 54dB > > distortion 0dB > 0.85% > > Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 51dB > > distortion 0dB > 0.6% > > Channel separation OVU/1kHz 46dB > > Line input sensitivity/overload 113mV/>7V > > Line output for 0dB/maximum 1038mV/5.9V > > IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10kHz/11kHz 0dB 0.56% > > Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz 10 degrees > > VU indication at IEC 0dB > 6dB > > Dimensions (w x h x d) 47 x 13.5 x 43.5cms > > Typical Retail Price > £550 > > > > Teac V-870 > > > > Teac aficionados will recognise this machine as a stripped down V-970X, > especially now I've told them. For the record, the £400 V-870 omits such > features as dbx noise reduction, remote control, some of the clever tape > search facilities and the signal generator used in the tape alignment > system, adding up to a £100 saving. > > That still leaves one very well endowed cassette deck. The > basics are a unidirectional transport with closed-loop dual-capstan > transport, plus three heads mounted on a diecast alloy base, which offers > full real time off-tape monitoring. Although dbx is left out (which won't > upset too many people in this country - dbx tends to go one better in the US > where mainstream magazines still encourage people to choose hi-fi 'by the > numbers'), the deck is nevertheless equipped with Dolby B and C (with a > separate MPX filter switch), and also has HX Pro headroom expansion > circuitry. > > The omission of the on-board oscillator doesn't mean there's no > tape alignment system; there is, using the source/tape monitor switch and > ears as final arbiters when setting up. Type I and II tape bias and > sensitivity can be set for each channel independently, but for type IV's > Teac somewhat enigmatically state: "due to the characteristics of metal > tape, the deck cannot be calibrated for optimum response with this type of > tape." > > The meters cover 32dB in two colours and with best case 2dB > resolution. The electronic tape counter reads in either arbitrary numbers or > elapsed playing time, and is associated with block repeat and memory play > facilities. > > There's quite a lot of attention to detail, which extends to > gold plated socketry on the back (to resist corrosion) and a back lit tape > well so that an approximate idea of tape position is always readily > available. Headphone monitoring level is adjustable, which is still far from > common. Tape/source monitor switching is automatic but can be operated > manually. > > Little expense has been spared with the 3 dual-capstan 3-motor > transport, which offers superb stability and excellent tape/head contact. > > > > LAB REPORT > > > > The spectrum analysis shows little more than the ideal sharp, single spike > at the 3150Hz test frequency. The figures support this analysis: the > unweighted wow and flutter figure is better than most decks weighted one! > > The various record/replay responses look a bit of a mess, but in > reality they're simply the opening bid with the tapes used with normal bias > and sensitivity settings (i.e. with the relevant controls centred). The bass > end remains a little excessive whatever, bit the mid and top can be > flattened out with no real difficulty. > > The playback response (which is not readily amendable to > adjustment) is almost perfectly accurate and the Dolby circuits are well > integrated. Noise and distortion figures are also adequate. > > > > SOUND QUALITY > > > > This Teac gave genuinely excellent sound quality with both pre-recorded > material and also its own recordings. The trademark of the deck is it's > razor sharp clarity. The combination of Dolby HX Pro and the ability to > tweak almost any tape into a more or less flat frequency response goes a > long way to making the deck transparent to the tape. > > A wide range of tapes are suitable, though there was a tendency > for higher energy type II's to work best. This is one of the few decks able > to make sense of capable but oddball tapes like TDK AD-X or That's Type II > metals. As with other high resolution recorders, use without noise reduction > was preferred where possible. The excellence of the transport endows the > deck with a certainty and stability rare at this price. > > For all the good bits, however, the '870 lacks a certain > something - subtlety, euphony, expressiveness, call it what you will. The > result of this is a tight, dry and synthetic overlay and an almost palpable > electronic fingerprint to the sound. > > > > CONCLUSIONS > > > > An inch short of true excellence, the Teac '870 does almost everything > right, It only lacks the sparkle of transparency and life. We're entitled to > take a critical view at this price level, but it still earns a Recommended > flag. > > > > Rec/replay response - 3dB ref 1kHz > > IEC Type I <20Hz - > 22kHz > > IEC Type II <20Hz - > 22.5kHz > > IEC Type IV <20Hz - > 21.5kHz > > Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd 0.054%/0.098% > > Wow/Flutter - Peak DIN wtd 0.05%/0.088% > > Speed error > +0.75% > > Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 53dB > > distortion 0dB > 1.05% > > Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 56dB > > distortion 0dB > 2.2% > > Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz 53dB > > distortion 0dB > 1.2% > > Channel separation OVU/1kHz 46.5dB > > Line input sensitivity/overload 95mV/>7V > > Line output for 0dB/maximum 524mV/3.1V > > IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10kHz/11kHz 0dB 0.28% > > Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz 14 degrees > > VU indication at IEC 0dB > 2dB > > Dimensions (w x h x d) 43.5 x 12.5 x 28cms > > Typical Retail Price > £399 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > > > > Hi,Jonathan!Would you kindly provide reviews for Aiwa-009 & Teac V-870 > > cassette decks?Thank you so much in advance.Sincerely,Maksim. > > From: Jonathan Doupe [mailto:j.doupe at btinternet.com] > > Sent: 9/5/2005 6:48:09 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > > > >> Here's an old review of the NAD Monitor 6300 from Hi-Fi Choice magazine, > >> issue no. 63 October 1988, and yes I know I hoard my Hi-Fi mags, and my > >> Audi > >> Driver mags, but so far I don't have a wife to nag me to get rid of them, > >> lol. > >> > >> NAD 6300 : > >> > >> NAD tell me that they suffer from a 'perceived value' problem with this > >> 3-head Dolby B/C remote control deck - there are too few controls and > >> displays to justify the price in many people's eyes. Perhaps many people > >> have problems with their eyesight... > >> General reaction to the appearance is positive: the NAD has a > >> discreet > >> charm and a splash of originality unique amongst the decks submitted this > >> year (originality often is unique, I have found). It also has some > >> surprises. Dolby HX Pro is combind with Dyneq processing to improve > >> working > >> dynamic range. And something called Play Trim can adjust the replay > >> equalisation applied to old or incorrectly processed tapes, but does so > >> inside the Dolby replay loop which reduces the processing required by a > >> half. > >> Dyneq is a recording limiter which operates on high level HF signals > >> to > >> prevent them causing LF intermodulation. It does so in conjunction with > >> Dolby HX Pro, and is designed to work only when the system would > >> otherwise > >> be in clip. > >> The NAD is a superb ergonomic design, my only criticisms being that > >> the > >> power switch should be further away from the cassette door open buttom, > >> and > >> that the (28db high resolution) record level meters are too bright. > >> Elsewhere NAD has managed to keep the control count as low as practical - > >> the MPX switch is on the back panel for example. Sensible grouping and > >> the > >> imaginative use of colour and control style makes the deck as near > >> intuitively obvious to use as possible. > >> Elsewhere, the electronic counter has a real time option, and tape > >> and > >> Dolby switching uses sensible lever switches. But I do miss a memory > >> counter > >> and automatic tape recognition, not to mention the almost inevitable > >> headphone socket. The transport accomodates 'punch-in' recording, and the > >> cassette well is illuminated. The remote control addresses the main > >> transport features including 'record', and a full NAD system remote > >> handset > >> will be available soon (it says here). > >> For car cassette users in particular, the deck features a switchable > >> compressor to reduce recorded dynamic range, and so make quiet passages > >> more > >> audible in an environment with inherently high high background noise. > >> > >> LAB REPORT > >> > >> The '6300 aims to offer low scrape flutter and good speed stability, and > >> achieves these ends in some style. The transport is a dual capstain > >> diffused > >> resonance design (shades of Nakamichi) of a quality level that doesn't > >> grow > >> on trees. The wow and flutter figures are remarkably fine (0.05% DIN > >> Wtd), > >> and the noise modulation spectrum is sharp and clean, albeit with some > >> discreet sidebands at very low level. > >> Remarkably well extended at both ends of the passband, the responce > >> curves all show a sharp, high Q lift at high frequencies which is not > >> completely correctable by bias adjustment. The playback responce shape is > >> good at the normal setting of the play trim control, and the effect of > >> minimum and maximum settings have also been included for information. > >> > >> SOUND QUALITY > >> > >> Dyneq works rather well. It can be treated almost like an auto-level > >> control > >> circuit, and is very nearly undetectable unless you know what you're > >> listening for. It can be cracked if the deck is really abused , but with > >> common sense one is free to use very high record levels without > >> compression, > >> tape noise virtually disappearing at the other end of the volume > >> spectrum. > >> This facilitates purist non-Dolby recordings which in turn help retain > >> that > >> much more of the life of the original. > >> The sound of this deck is quite distinctive. Not wholly neautral, it > >> has > >> a rounded kind of feel. The HF end isn't as open or as airy as the best, > >> and > >> the '6300 never sounds as detailed as some. But the sound picture is > >> remarkably homogenous, with excellent dynamics and a truly 3-D quality > >> rarefrom cassettes. Image stability and seperation are remarkable. > >> > >> CONCLUSIONS > >> > >> This is the nearest thing to a minimalist audiophile low-spec recorder > >> this > >> side of some of the best Nakamichis. The hefty price can only be > >> justified > >> by the sound; Recomended, but I feel bound to suggest it's a bit > >> overpriced > >> > >> TEST RESULTS > >> > >> Rec/replay responce - 3dB ref 1kHz > >> IEC type I > >> <20Hz - 22kHz > >> IEC type II > >> <20Hz - 22kHz > >> IEC type IV > >> <20Hz - 22.5kHz > >> Wow & Flutter - Peak DIN wtd/unwtd > >> 0.05%/0.09% > >> Wow/Flutter Peak DIN wtd > >> 0.04%/0.08% > >> Speed error > >> +0.75% > >> Type I signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz > >> 52dB > >> Distortion 0dB > >> 0.6% > >> Type II signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz > >> 56dB > >> Distortion 0dB > >> 1.2% > >> Type IV signal/noise CCIR/ARM 400Hz > >> 53dB > >> Diatortion 0dB > >> 0.8% > >> Channel seperation OVU/1kHz > >> 47.5dB > >> Line input sensitivity/overload > >> 52mV/>7V > >> Line output for 0dB/maximum > >> 562mV/2.3V > >> IM distortion 1kHz, ref 10 kHz/11kHz 0dB > >> 0.8% > >> Azimuth check R-L phase at 8kHz > >> 20 degrees > >> VU indication at IEC 0dB > >> 1dB > >> Dimensions (w x h x d) > >> 43.5 x 12 x 28cms > >> Typical Retail Price > >> £649 > >> > >> The issue did a 73 cassette decks summarised, but I can only count 30 so > >> I > >> think it may bave been a printing error on the magazine front cover. They > >> should have sacked their proof reader, lol. The 30 cassete decks they are > >> as > >> follows > >> > >> AIWA AD-F370 > >> AIWA XK-007 > >> AIWA XK-009 > >> AIWA EXCELIA XD-001 > >> DENON DR-M10HX > >> DENON DR-M34HR > >> DUAL CC8010 > >> JVC TD-W222 > >> JVC TD-V711 > >> KENWOOD KX-440HX > >> KENWOOD KX-660 > >> LUXMAN KD-117 > >> NAD 6300 > >> NAKAMICHI RX-202E > >> ONKYO TA 2120 > >> PIONEER CT-443 > >> PIONEER CT-737 > >> PIONEER D-1000 > >> SONY TCW300 > >> SONY TC-RX50 > >> SONY TC-RX60ES > >> SONY TC-RX80ES > >> SONY DTC-M100 > >> SONY DTC-M1000ES > >> TEAC V-250 > >> TEAC V-270C > >> TEAC V-870 > >> TECHNICS RS-B355 > >> TECHNICS RS-T230 > >> TECHNICS RS-T330 > >> > >> If any of my fellow Nakers would like info on any of the above older > >> decks, > >> please feel free to ask as I have the reviews for all of them like I have > >> put forward for the NAD 6300. > >> > >> Jonathan (Southort) > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "gerald guerrero" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:44 PM > >> Subject: [naktalk] BALA C. and Kermit G. > >> > >> > >> > lots of recent very helpfull discussion on some of the very best > >> > Nakamichi > >> > decks. Thanks. I am planning on buying a three head deck sometime > >> > around > >> > december, just not sure if it will be a Nak yet, especially with all > >> > the > >> > other nice decks which have been mentioned.That is why i am asking the > >> > following question: EXCLUDING REVOX OR TANDBERG, WHAT MODEL DECK FROM > >> > ANOTHER MANUFACTURER WOULD YOU COMPARE FAVOURABLY TO ONE OF NAKAMICHI'S > >> > BEST? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Naturally, people don't want war....but it is a simple matter to drag > >> > the > >> > people along, they can always be brought to the the bidding of the > >> > leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are > >> > being > >> > attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and > >> > exposing > >> > the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY." --Hermann > >> > Goering > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 10:27:36 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050909082737.13531.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, The Nak 600 no doubt. Big awesome sound with fantastic warm low midrange! Regards Bala Gerald Guerrero wrote: What would you say is the best two head Nakamichi deck? Although different Naks are preferred for different reasons, What would your vote be? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Offer ends 30th June 2005 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Sep 9 12:22:00 2005 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:22:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? In-Reply-To: <004901c5b522$47ea9a80$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20050909102200.20335.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Yes the 60011 was good but parts in short supply! There is of course the 580 if you can find one! or better still the 581 (three head but no monitor circuit) These (and of course the 582) are much easier to service than the 400 series. Size and look of 580/1/2 not to everyones taste but I always thought they had sort of retro 50's thing going on !!! Bit like a Roberts radio with DAB radio!! or is it just me Oh well back up the ladder and finish the painting before it rains !! TPF Martin Short wrote:Gerald, That is a tough call... IMHO, the earlier 2 heads are the best.. Your choice of 600/600II/580: I like them all. They sound warmer more lively than the later easily obtainable BX series 2 heads. A 480Z is not a bad punt either If you had to put a gun to my head: 600II... magnificent sound cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Sep 9 12:47:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:47:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? Message-ID: Hi! 100% agree! I once during the middle 70ties, own two 500, one originally Nakamichi & the same deck under "Sonab" brand...lovely sound...but...3 heads 1000/2 or 700/2 better! Built as a Tank!!!. Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? >Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:38:48 +1200 > >Gerald, > >That is a tough call... IMHO, the earlier 2 heads are the best.. > >Your choice of 600/600II/580: I like them all. > >They sound warmer more lively than the later easily obtainable BX series 2 >heads. >A 480Z is not a bad punt either > >If you had to put a gun to my head: 600II... magnificent sound > >cheers, > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 15:30:30 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? In-Reply-To: <004901c5b522$47ea9a80$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20050909133030.45218.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have heard Nak 250 played side by side nak 700 ZXL. I could appreciate old Nak Crystalloy head' sound. From Stephen Sank ' earlier posting, I think 580 ( or 580 M?) was the last of the Crystalloy play head( 580 also had dual capstan drive) 2 head deck made by Nak. All Nak 3 hreads are Crystalloy heads. They have llower head gap with wide frequency low distortion response. Any 3 head would definitely be better than two heads but still I can' forget 250 playback heard over 20 years back! Kannan Martin Short wrote: Gerald, That is a tough call... IMHO, the earlier 2 heads are the best.. Your choice of 600/600II/580: I like them all. They sound warmer more lively than the later easily obtainable BX series 2 heads. A 480Z is not a bad punt either If you had to put a gun to my head: 600II... magnificent sound cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Sep 9 13:42:23 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (Gerald Guerrero) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 06:42:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? Message-ID: Yes, i think these great 2 head decks which you mentioned, along with the 500 which Kermit bought recently and really has a fondness for, need to begin to really be considered. Thats especially true becuase of the soaring price of 3 head units. A recent sale of a fully restored 700 TRi-tracer on E-bay by a forum member went for 350.00, not including shipping!!(Also Ti and Johnathan, how about those "r-8's" at LeMans!) -- People ask me "Dave, whats it like to be a rock star?".Okay, line up every girl you've ever been with. Got 'em there? Good. I wouldnt f*ck any of em" -DAVID LEE ROTH From britri at comcast.net Fri Sep 9 19:55:56 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:55:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] off topic, maybe In-Reply-To: <20050909133030.45218.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050909133030.45218.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4321CCAC.9030305@comcast.net> I encountered this website while scrolling through daily e-bay Nakamichi new auctions. Check out Niro's blog in which the 1000 is mentioned. http://www.niro1.com/us/ Brian From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Sep 9 20:32:51 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:32:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] off topic, maybe In-Reply-To: <4321CCAC.9030305@comcast.net> References: <20050909133030.45218.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4321CCAC.9030305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050909142040.01b9f8e8@psulias.psu.edu> Call me cynical, but if that thing is anywhere near flat at 30Hz, I'll eat my Dragon. :) However, it seems like a terrific concept. Has anyone ever heard these or the Nak Lifestyle systems? At 01:55 PM 9/9/2005, Brian Stocker wrote: >I encountered this website while scrolling through daily e-bay Nakamichi >new auctions. Check out Niro's blog in which the 1000 is mentioned. > >http://www.niro1.com/us/ > >Brian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 10 02:18:21 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:18:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5b59d$26faf100$c3af87d9@oemcomputer> Hi Mark That's not the one I was thinking about. I just re-fund it again. It is the D-T7. It's a 3 head deck. Pioneer describe it as having * Digital * processing * system loading. It actualizes the substantial improvement of the sound quality * functional aspect. * Digital * noise * reduction loading. * The legato * link * conversion by the fact that it loads, to extend the upper limit to approximately 40kHz, playback of more natural sound is possible. * Digital input terminal (OPTICAL) equipment. * If sound recording is started instantaneously playback sound of the source equipment starts with the connection with the digital equipment, and music stops, convenient digital synchronizer functional loading where also sound recording stops. * It loads digital FLEX function, clearing plays back sound. * Digital XD FLAT SYSTEM loading. According to the tape which you use sound recording frequency characteristic to flat tuning. * The digital input sound recording time, sound recording level is adjusted automatically, digital ALCA functional loading. More details are at : http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/rel ease41-j.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPioneer%2BT-D7%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG Note performance claims are: Wow and flutter 0.09% WRMS (JIS) Frequency characteristic (type 4) 20 Hz - 21 kHz Audio frequency range (type 4) 20 Hz - 40 kHz Frequency characteristic (type 2) 20 Hz - 20 kHz Audio frequency range (type 2) 20 Hz - 40 kHz Frequency characteristic (type 1) 20 Hz - 20 kHz Audio frequency range (type 1) 20 Hz - 40 kHz SN ratio (DOLBY NR - OFF) 82dB * （ＤＯＬＢＹ ＮＲ－ＯN）９０ｄＢ Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 02 September 2005 09:49 To: naktalk at naks.com; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S830S or ist it a CT-S840S ? Howzit Gra', A very worthwhile deck from Pioneer with that digital technology - and as rare as rocking horse manure - is the CT-670D - a single transport, three head, three motor cassette deck with a titanium finish and attractive three-colour display. All processing, including things like FLEX, NR, S-Auto BLE/XD, HX-PRO if not disabled by XD etc are all accomplished in the digital domain using proprietary Legato-Linear ADC/DACs; separate PSs for transport and signal sections and as far as I recall quite stout motors. Personally, I'd love one. Cheers - Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Sep 10 14:15:14 2005 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:15:14 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? Message-ID: <000e01c5b601$4c96c920$0201a8c0@lan> To put things in perspective, as has been said here before.. there really is no such thing as a bad Nak, be it a 2 head or 3 head. Interesting to see the consensus seems to be a 600/II or LX3 for most favoured 2 head, and that simply comes down to what sound colouration you prefer! I have an LX3 as well and it is a great machine, but still prefer the 600/600II/580.. it is entirely personal. The 600II has a fuller warmer sound that can make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.. at least through my sound system . ( The wife prefers the LX3 tho'.. it collects less dust and is less visually intrusive :o) ) The 580 is subtley more clinical than the 600II, and both are hard to find Vs a 600. All three appear to use the same crystalloy head, (someone correct me if I'm wrong). There are probably some sublte differences under the bonnet, but the LX3 seems to me to be a 480Z in fancy dress.. they certainly sound similar. Cost wise, 480's can be had for 'pin money' and shouldn't be discounted. The three heads are another (much bigger) story.... best regards, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doane.hoag at earthlink.net Sat Sep 10 19:29:50 2005 From: doane.hoag at earthlink.net (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:29:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? Message-ID: I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic caps that everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good online buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? Thanks, Rob From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 10 19:37:09 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:37:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? In-Reply-To: <000e01c5b601$4c96c920$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: I realize not all of this is on topic, but... I just sold my brother's 581... great deck, good access to the transport/heads for cleaning maintenance, and wonderful sound, for a Dolby B only deck. I did some recordings of a Stereophile music CD and was amazed on playing it back and A/B ing it to the CD to find so little difference. Even the noise hiss was bairly audible. (using Grado Labs SR60 headphones) I just bought a LX-5 and am finding the maintenance access, with the door removed, is very crampped and hard to do! The record level is also not equal, but just with Dolby C, so I may have to get it worked on.... am guessing that some of the electrolitic capicators may be bad. ** Around 1984 I bought a new two head BX-2, I was disappointed in that it only lasted about two or three years before it needed work on the transport, which was expensive at the time in Fort Worth, Texas. My favorite deck was a three head ZX-7 I bought used from my sister, trading her for my BX-2 and some $$. She bought the ZX-7 because she had read it was the best deck at the time, but later decided she didn't like all the "complicated" features... lucky for me. :~) ...she was very happy with my BX-2 for several years, till it went bad again! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? To put things in perspective, as has been said here before.. there really is no such thing as a bad Nak, be it a 2 head or 3 head. Interesting to see the consensus seems to be a 600/II or LX3 for most favoured 2 head, and that simply comes down to what sound colouration you prefer! I have an LX3 as well and it is a great machine, but still prefer the 600/600II/580.. it is entirely personal. The 600II has a fuller warmer sound that can make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.. at least through my sound system . ( The wife prefers the LX3 tho'.. it collects less dust and is less visually intrusive :o) ) The 580 is subtley more clinical than the 600II, and both are hard to find Vs a 600. All three appear to use the same crystalloy head, (someone correct me if I'm wrong). There are probably some sublte differences under the bonnet, but the LX3 seems to me to be a 480Z in fancy dress.. they certainly sound similar. Cost wise, 480's can be had for 'pin money' and shouldn't be discounted. The three heads are another (much bigger) story.... best regards, Martin From ti at amb.org Sat Sep 10 20:17:03 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050910181703.7FBF523B4F@smtp.amb.org> Doane Hoag writes: > I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic caps that > everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good online > buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? The orange caps are not electrolytic. They are plastic film type. Good substitutes are the Wima MKP2 series metallized polypropylene or Vishay-Roederstein MKT series metallized polyester. These are available from Mouser Electronics ( http://www.mouser.com ), or the Vishay-BC Components MKP416 series metallized polypropylene or MKT370 series metallized polyester available from Digikey ( http://www.digikey.com ). -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From ti at amb.org Sat Sep 10 21:29:16 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050910192916.747EA23B4F@smtp.amb.org> Doane Hoag writes: > Thanks, Ti... > I just assumed they were as electrolytics/polarized types are usually the > caps that go bad when they get old. Normally that's true, however the particular orange caps that Nakamichi used are apparently an exception. Here is another link about Nak orange caps that's useful: http://support.naks.com/orange/ -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 06:47:12 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050911044741.17536.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is a quote from Mr Sank from years ago. These caps should be replaced with film, polyester, polystyrene or polypropylene with voltage ratings of 50 Volts or more. In the case of the bias oscillator they should be 100 Volts or highier. The Panasonic ECQ-B series of polyester has been commonly used because they are similar in size and are quite inexpensive. They are available from http://www.digikey.com The caps are usually labeled with a three digits and two letters. The first two digits are the value and the third is the number of zeros to give you the value in pF. For example 561 = 560pf, 332 = 3300pF and 683 = 68000pf or 0.068uF. Don't worry about the last two characters. I think they are the voltage rating and/or tolerance. (ANY polyester film cap will be better, but the green Matsushita's are about the best around that are commonly available.) It's not a direct quote. I might have modified it slightly when I added it to my web page. SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic > caps that > everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good > online > buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? > Thanks, Rob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 10 20:50:53 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:50:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? In-Reply-To: <20050910181703.7FBF523B4F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Thanks, Ti... I just assumed they were as electrolytics/polarized types are usually the caps that go bad when they get old. Thanks for the links. -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:17 AM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: Re: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? Doane Hoag writes: > I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic caps that > everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good online > buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? The orange caps are not electrolytic. They are plastic film type. Good substitutes are the Wima MKP2 series metallized polypropylene or Vishay-Roederstein MKT series metallized polyester. These are available from Mouser Electronics ( http://www.mouser.com ), or the Vishay-BC Components MKP416 series metallized polypropylene or MKT370 series metallized polyester available from Digikey ( http://www.digikey.com ). -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jazzao at primus.com.au Sun Sep 11 02:16:39 2005 From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:16:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] I Finally Got My 700ZXE, Thank You to Stepehen Sank. Message-ID: <43237767.3030909@primus.com.au> Hi to all, I posted last year that I had not heard from Stephen about my deck after 18 months. I did get him eventually and he explained his difficulties. I was patient and new I was going to the US this year. Well I met with Stephen in New Mexico and as he promised he finished the deck and it sounded great when we tested it at his place. I have to say that even though it took so long to get the deck back it was worth it since it sounded great. I am glad that I was patient and worked with him. Stephen was a gentleman when I met with him. He also gave me a tuner to make up for the time it took which was a nice gesture. I have a better appreciation as to why it took him so long. BTW, the side trip to New Mexico was a great. Enjoy the surrounding districts of Alburquerque and Santa Fe. Thanks again to Stephen. Regards Alan -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Sep 11 08:33:29 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:33:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two-headed Naks, Non-naks, and nak nak.... Message-ID: <4323CFB9.8060701@woods-and-waters.com> Hello Fellow Naka-guys, Sorry to be offline for so long. Been swamped with business priorities (I keep forgetting how much of a hassle rollouts are!) and coping with some ongoing (but non-fatal) health problems. To catch up on things: My suggestions for non-Nak decks OTHER THAN Revox or Tandberg? Well, Gerald, if you're looking for something as nice as the IEC1 Naks, forget it -- they have no peer, other than Sonab, which is really a Nak rebadged. As far as something to compare with the IEC2 Naks, well, Revox is my first choice (I do have a Revox B710) -- sorry -- but other than Revox, I'd recommend: Ferrograph, Arcam Delta, high-end 1970s Dual brand cassette decks, the Pioneer models with the FLEX circuit (finally heard one recently!), Akai GX-95, Harman Kardon TD-4800, Luxman K-05, Aiwa Excelia, and the higher-end late 1970s-vintage Yamaha NS series (but not the wedge-shaped one that resembled a Nak 600 on an acid trip). Never was a Tandberg fan, so it doesn't bother me to exclude them from the list. NAD had some good models, but I cannot recall the numbers offhand, and the Pioneer CT-F9191 is surprisingly good if adjusted correctly (a bit closed-in with the stereo image though). If you want to buy a cassette deck that epitomizes everything that is wrong with cassette deck sound, try any Uher, Wollensak 2500 Series, Pioneer CT-4141, CT-F2121, or anything made by Sankyo in the 1970s. Keep aspirin handy during listening sessions. My favorite two-head Naks? OK, guys, you know the answer to this one: Really now. Silly question. Repeat after me: Nak 600-II, 600, 550 and 500. Why? Detailed, effortless sound, yet just the right touch of flattering coloration, evocative of a studio reel-to-reel, with almost as good macrodynamics, lending a sublte sense of size to everything you record with it. The 600-II has an excellent Dolby B that causes no dulling or muffling (if set up correctly AND if you keep levels at or below 0 dB). The 600 has the lowest distortion of any deck I've heard, and is just barely my most favorite Nak -- BUT if misadjusted it can sound dull, muffled and lifeless, so it is a bit twitchy to get set up right. Aesthetically, the 600 and 600-II are my favorites; all the 1970s groovy you could want with a touch of class. (Think Oja Kodar driving a Ferrari 308 GTB.) The black version is sleek and authoritative, and the chrome is a true attention-getter. I cannot wait until I've fully restored my chrome 600-II! (My other 600-II is black and my 600 is black) The 500's aesthetics are so 1970s! -- but I love it anyway -- the subdued black with the white sidepanels, big lighted meters and the nice pencil-stub toggle switches. (Think Anna-Frid Lyngstad driving a Jaguar XJC.) Besides, toploaders have their own brand of cool. The 550 is ugly. Sorry. It just is. But the meters look nice. The 500 sound is a bit warmer and doesn't have quite the snap and sense of size the 600 and 600-II have, but oh my I enjoy them! The 550 is essentially a portable 500, but it seems a bit less dynamic than the 500 at times. Both the 500 and 550 have the best mic preamps and the best peak limiters I've ever heard in a cassette deck. In fact, the mic preamps and the peak limiters can hold their own with many professional units. Add a dbx NX-40, 222 or 224 to a Nak 600 or 600-II (and to a 500) and you'll be astounded at the nearly flawless sound, which to my ears achieves what CDs promised -- but didn't deliver! If only CDs could be as good! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 13:34:17 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 04:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Which tool for removing small circlips fund on Naks Message-ID: <20050911113417.7364.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could not identify a proper tool for removing those small circlips found on Naks like the one on Old Naks ' door damper or any others on the Mechanism part of it. Can anyone suggest a suitable one for easy removal as as fixing it back? thanks Kannan --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Sep 11 17:33:54 2005 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:33:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Which tool for removing small circlips fund on Naks In-Reply-To: <20050911113417.7364.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050911113417.7364.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43244E62.40804@cox.net> I'm not aware of a specialty tool made for manipulating these clips. We always called them 'E clips' because they are shaped like a rounded letter 'E'. My usual tool for removing them is a jeweler's screwdriver inserted between the clip and the post and twisted to slide the clip out of the groove. Keeping your finger on the back side of the clip as it comes out of the groove prevents it from launching across the room. As for reinstalling the clip, I use a few different pair of needle-nosed pliers which have a narrow but slightly blunted tip and serrated jaws. The two pair that work for most sizes of clips are a Utica 775 and Xcelite 59. Both of these are very old models of pliers, and my hands have become accustomed to using these pliers for these clips. Set the clip in place against the post, then squeeze it into the groove with the pliers. Unfortunately, it takes some practice with a lot of clips to become really proficient at this. A quick search found no Utica 775's on the web, but they appear to be dimensionally similar to the Xcelite N55. I was also unable to find Xcelite 59's, but they appear to be dimensionally similar to the Xcelite 828. Tim kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I could not identify a proper tool for removing those small circlips > found on Naks like the one on Old Naks ' door damper or any others on > the Mechanism part of it. Can anyone suggest a suitable one for easy > removal as as fixing it back? > thanks > Kannan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! for Good > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sun Sep 11 14:29:18 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:29:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: orange caps & 2 heads References: <200509111000.j8BA0ch3004253@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000501c5b6cc$6e551320$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, all: I replaced all the orange caps in my LX3 about 2 years ago. On Mr. Sank's advice I used Panasonic polyesters from digikey.com. Easy and quick (with a service manual!). I'm surprised there's been little comment about the venerable 500 as the best 2 head--I've made some lovely live recordings on the machine (my first Nak, I've had it for almost 30 years!). I can testify to its warmth and sonic detail. Despite the Dolby B only and lack of type IV capability, Nak engineers were very clever; it seems the noise floor was carefully tweaked at various points throught the spectrum. Midrange piano/guitar seems far quieter than the official specs suggest. The LX3 is also a favourite of mine for its clean sound (bought mine 26 years ago in grad school). I hobbled along quite nicely with these 2 until I got a wonderful Sanktified CR-7A. I've been watching the periodic "which is best?" lists that pop up. I'd be hard pressed to choose one--the great gift of these decks is the amazing variety of colour and character. Best regards, Paul Dingle > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:17:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Message-ID: <20050910181703.7FBF523B4F at smtp.amb.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Doane Hoag writes: > > I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic caps that > > everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good online > > buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? > > The orange caps are not electrolytic. They are plastic film type. > Good substitutes are the Wima MKP2 series metallized polypropylene > or Vishay-Roederstein MKT series metallized polyester. These are available > from Mouser Electronics ( http://www.mouser.com ), or the Vishay-BC Components > MKP416 series metallized polypropylene or MKT370 series metallized polyester > available from Digikey ( http://www.digikey.com ). > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:29:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Message-ID: <20050910192916.747EA23B4F at smtp.amb.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Doane Hoag writes: > > Thanks, Ti... > > I just assumed they were as electrolytics/polarized types are usually the > > caps that go bad when they get old. > > Normally that's true, however the particular orange caps that Nakamichi > used are apparently an exception. > > Here is another link about Nak orange caps that's useful: > http://support.naks.com/orange/ > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:47:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? > To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <20050911044741.17536.qmail at web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Here is a quote from Mr Sank from years ago. > > These caps should be replaced with film, polyester, polystyrene or > polypropylene with voltage ratings of 50 Volts or more. In the case > of the bias oscillator they should be 100 Volts or highier. The > Panasonic ECQ-B series of polyester has been commonly used because > they are similar in size and are quite inexpensive. They are > available from http://www.digikey.com The caps are usually labeled > with a three digits and two letters. The first two digits are the > value and the third is the number of zeros to give you the value in > pF. For example 561 = 560pf, 332 = 3300pF and 683 = 68000pf or > 0.068uF. Don't worry about the last two characters. I think they > are the voltage rating and/or tolerance. (ANY polyester film cap > will be better, but the green > Matsushita's are about the best around that are commonly available.) > > It's not a direct quote. I might have modified it slightly when I > added it to my web page. > > SJ > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic > > caps that > > everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good > > online > > buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? > > Thanks, Rob > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:50:53 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? > To: "Ti Kan" > Cc: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Thanks, Ti... > I just assumed they were as electrolytics/polarized types are usually the > caps that go bad when they get old. > Thanks for the links. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:17 AM > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: NakTalk Nakamichi forum > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Online source of electronics parts? > > > Doane Hoag writes: > > I have a LX-5 that I plan on replacing the "orange" electrolytic caps that > > everyone mentions as being a real problem. Does anyone have a good online > > buying source for good quality/selection of electronic supplies? > > The orange caps are not electrolytic. They are plastic film type. > Good substitutes are the Wima MKP2 series metallized polypropylene > or Vishay-Roederstein MKT series metallized polyester. These are available > from Mouser Electronics ( http://www.mouser.com ), or the Vishay-BC > Components > MKP416 series metallized polypropylene or MKT370 series metallized polyester > available from Digikey ( http://www.digikey.com ). > > -Ti > -- > Ti Kan > http://www.amb.org/ti > Vorsprung durch Technik > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: doane.vcf > Type: text/x-vcard > Size: 787 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050910/25e20d32/doane-0001.vcf > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:16:39 +1000 > From: Alan Olan > Subject: [naktalk] I Finally Got My 700ZXE, Thank You to Stepehen > Sank. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <43237767.3030909 at primus.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi to all, > > I posted last year that I had not heard from Stephen about my deck after > 18 months. I did get him eventually and he explained his difficulties. > I was patient and new I was going to the US this year. Well I met with > Stephen in New Mexico and as he promised he finished the deck and it > sounded great when we tested it at his place. > > I have to say that even though it took so long to get the deck back it > was worth it since it sounded great. I am glad that I was patient and > worked with him. Stephen was a gentleman when I met with him. He also > gave me a tuner to make up for the time it took which was a nice > gesture. I have a better appreciation as to why it took him so long. > > BTW, the side trip to New Mexico was a great. Enjoy the surrounding > districts of Alburquerque and Santa Fe. > > Thanks again to Stephen. > > Regards > Alan > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:33:29 -0500 > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > Subject: [naktalk] Two-headed Naks, Non-naks, and nak nak.... > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <4323CFB9.8060701 at woods-and-waters.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hello Fellow Naka-guys, > > Sorry to be offline for so long. Been swamped with business priorities > (I keep forgetting how much of a hassle rollouts are!) and coping with > some ongoing (but non-fatal) health problems. > > To catch up on things: > > My suggestions for non-Nak decks OTHER THAN Revox or Tandberg? Well, > Gerald, if you're looking for something as nice as the IEC1 Naks, forget > it -- they have no peer, other than Sonab, which is really a Nak rebadged. > > As far as something to compare with the IEC2 Naks, well, Revox is my > first choice (I do have a Revox B710) -- sorry -- but other than Revox, > I'd recommend: Ferrograph, Arcam Delta, high-end 1970s Dual brand > cassette decks, the Pioneer models with the FLEX circuit (finally heard > one recently!), Akai GX-95, Harman Kardon TD-4800, Luxman K-05, Aiwa > Excelia, and the higher-end late 1970s-vintage Yamaha NS series (but not > the wedge-shaped one that resembled a Nak 600 on an acid trip). Never > was a Tandberg fan, so it doesn't bother me to exclude them from the > list. NAD had some good models, but I cannot recall the numbers offhand, > and the Pioneer CT-F9191 is surprisingly good if adjusted correctly (a > bit closed-in with the stereo image though). > > If you want to buy a cassette deck that epitomizes everything that is > wrong with cassette deck sound, try any Uher, Wollensak 2500 Series, > Pioneer CT-4141, CT-F2121, or anything made by Sankyo in the 1970s. Keep > aspirin handy during listening sessions. > > My favorite two-head Naks? OK, guys, you know the answer to this one: > Really now. Silly question. Repeat after me: Nak 600-II, 600, 550 and > 500. Why? Detailed, effortless sound, yet just the right touch of > flattering coloration, evocative of a studio reel-to-reel, with almost > as good macrodynamics, lending a sublte sense of size to everything you > record with it. > > The 600-II has an excellent Dolby B that causes no dulling or muffling > (if set up correctly AND if you keep levels at or below 0 dB). The 600 > has the lowest distortion of any deck I've heard, and is just barely my > most favorite Nak -- BUT if misadjusted it can sound dull, muffled and > lifeless, so it is a bit twitchy to get set up right. > > Aesthetically, the 600 and 600-II are my favorites; all the 1970s groovy > you could want with a touch of class. (Think Oja Kodar driving a Ferrari > 308 GTB.) The black version is sleek and authoritative, and the chrome > is a true attention-getter. I cannot wait until I've fully restored my > chrome 600-II! (My other 600-II is black and my 600 is black) > > The 500's aesthetics are so 1970s! -- but I love it anyway -- the > subdued black with the white sidepanels, big lighted meters and the nice > pencil-stub toggle switches. (Think Anna-Frid Lyngstad driving a Jaguar > XJC.) Besides, toploaders have their own brand of cool. > > The 550 is ugly. Sorry. It just is. But the meters look nice. > > The 500 sound is a bit warmer and doesn't have quite the snap and sense > of size the 600 and 600-II have, but oh my I enjoy them! The 550 is > essentially a portable 500, but it seems a bit less dynamic than the 500 > at times. Both the 500 and 550 have the best mic preamps and the best > peak limiters I've ever heard in a cassette deck. In fact, the mic > preamps and the peak limiters can hold their own with many professional > units. > > Add a dbx NX-40, 222 or 224 to a Nak 600 or 600-II (and to a 500) and > you'll be astounded at the nearly flawless sound, which to my ears > achieves what CDs promised -- but didn't deliver! If only CDs could be > as good! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Sep 11 22:31:31 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:31:31 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? References: <20050909082737.13531.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c5b70f$cbc5af90$101698de@tec> Abba solutely Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best two head Nak? Hi, The Nak 600 no doubt. Big awesome sound with fantastic warm low midrange! Regards Bala Gerald Guerrero wrote: What would you say is the best two head Nakamichi deck? Although different Naks are preferred for different reasons, What would your vote be? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Mon Sep 12 06:26:40 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:26:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best 2 head Nak Message-ID: Well, i would have to say that the best two head Nak is the RX-303.Thats because I have one!Also, it has the good heads, not the crummy heads like the RX-202.Also, its auto-reverse, and they(RX-303) arent all that common to find in excellent conditon on e-bay. The sound is more neutral and transparent than the warmer "euphonic" older 500/600's(from what ive heard about those older decks), and a bit more extended in Range(?).It seems it would be a more revealing,articulate unit as well.I dont really know;just guessing.I have the RX-303,but not an older 2 head like the 500/600.I am making a comparison based on what i have heard when comparing My 700tri-tracer (which i am guessing shares a sonic signature with those older 2 head Naks)to my RX-303.Theres one RX-303 going on E-bay right now,but it doesnt look all that great.You can find certain models of decks for sale on E-Bay by going to 'NAKS" from the home page of NAKS.COM, and looking under The specific model which you are interested in .It lists the current models for Sale on the right, in case you did not know. -- Thanks for the encouragement that"there are no stupid questions"(although obviously, there are an awful lot of inquisitive IDIOTS!!). From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 15:31:38 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Which tool for removing small circlips fund on Naks In-Reply-To: <43244E62.40804@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050912133138.18298.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim thanks for your response In fact I have mentioned the snap rings ( that is what is called her in US - for small circlips) found on the Old Nak Door Damper connection at the Cassette Door side. This is bigger than the eclips found on Sankyo based newer Nak mechanisms I finally found many snap ring pliers - most of them meant for bigger ones used in Automobiles! Thanks once again Tim Kannan Tim Barrett wrote: I'm not aware of a specialty tool made for manipulating these clips. We always called them 'E clips' because they are shaped like a rounded letter 'E'. My usual tool for removing them is a jeweler's screwdriver inserted between the clip and the post and twisted to slide the clip out of the groove. Keeping your finger on the back side of the clip as it comes out of the groove prevents it from launching across the room. As for reinstalling the clip, I use a few different pair of needle-nosed pliers which have a narrow but slightly blunted tip and serrated jaws. The two pair that work for most sizes of clips are a Utica 775 and Xcelite 59. Both of these are very old models of pliers, and my hands have become accustomed to using these pliers for these clips. Set the clip in place against the post, then squeeze it into the groove with the pliers. Unfortunately, it takes some practice with a lot of clips to become really proficient at this. A quick search found no Utica 775's on the web, but they appear to be dimensionally similar to the Xcelite N55. I was also unable to find Xcelite 59's, but they appear to be dimensionally similar to the Xcelite 828. Tim kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I could not identify a proper tool for removing those small circlips > found on Naks like the one on Old Naks ' door damper or any others on > the Mechanism part of it. Can anyone suggest a suitable one for easy > removal as as fixing it back? > thanks > Kannan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! for Good > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Sep 12 21:02:06 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:02:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best 2 head Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4325D0AE.9070207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jerry, I had forgotten about the RX-303! I'd have to put that on my list of "best" two-head Naks, along with my still-most favorite 600, 600-II and 500. A very different sound that the older models but it still retains that "big studio" sound I look for in a recorder. I don't think it is any more revealing than a 500 or 600/600-II; it's just voiced different. Spend some time makin glive recordings from microphone to a Nak 600, 600-II, 500 or 550 and you'll be astounded at how revealing they are. Your assumption about inferring that the sonic signature of the older two-heads is similar to the 700 TriTracer is valid. I always preferred the slightly greater sense of "intimacy" and "size" the 600 imparted compared to the 700, which, although a bit more open aand detailed sounding, seemed to hold the music at arms-length, if you'll pardon the analogy. I'm splitting split hairs, although -- you need a quite good system to hear the differences. A few months back I bought a Nak BX-something two-head, and admit to being disappointed in its sound. I actually like my Pioneer CT-F7272 better -- and I never thought I'd ever prefer that deck to ANYTHING. If I ever get around to replacing the BX-whatever's defective idler (and I'm not really too motivated to bother fixing it), then I'm selling it. I may sell it anyway, along with the idler and let somebody else spend their time on it. I could use the shelf space for better things, like my lint collection. (OK, I'm joking about the lint collection. I need the space for my back issues of Mad Magazine.) jerryjg wrote: > Well, i would have to say that the best two head Nak is the > RX-303.Thats because I have one!Also, it has the good heads, not the > crummy heads like the RX-202.Also, its auto-reverse, and they(RX-303) > arent all that common to find in excellent conditon on e-bay. The sound > is more neutral and transparent than the warmer "euphonic" older > 500/600's(from what ive heard about those older decks), and a bit more > extended in Range(?).It seems it would be a more revealing,articulate > unit as well.I dont really know;just guessing.I have the RX-303,but not > an older 2 head like the 500/600.I am making a comparison based on what > i have heard when comparing My 700tri-tracer (which i am guessing > shares a sonic signature with those older 2 head Naks)to my > RX-303.Theres one RX-303 going on E-bay right now,but it doesnt look > all that great.You can find certain models of decks for sale on E-Bay > by going to 'NAKS" from the home page of NAKS.COM, and looking under > The specific model which you are interested in .It lists the current > models for Sale on the right, in case you did not know. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 12 21:50:59 2005 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:50:59 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Best 2 head Nak Message-ID: I would have to say LX-3. The reason: I can compare this deck to my Dragon (Sanktified), my ZX-7 (records and sounds better than my Dragon), and my LX-5 (Sanktified). So in conclusion I recommend the LX-3 for getting the most bang for the buck. - Mark Exstedt >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Best 2 head Nak >Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:26:40 -0500 > >Well, i would have to say that the best two head Nak is the RX-303.Thats >because I have one!Also, it has the good heads, not the crummy heads like >the RX-202.Also, its auto-reverse, and they(RX-303) arent all that common >to find in excellent conditon on e-bay. The sound is more neutral and >transparent than the warmer "euphonic" older 500/600's(from what ive heard >about those older decks), and a bit more extended in Range(?).It seems it >would be a more revealing,articulate unit as well.I dont really know;just >guessing.I have the RX-303,but not an older 2 head like the 500/600.I am >making a comparison based on what i have heard when comparing My >700tri-tracer (which i am guessing shares a sonic signature with those >older 2 head Naks)to my RX-303.Theres one RX-303 going on E-bay right >now,but it doesnt look all that great.You can find certain models of decks >for sale on E-Bay by going to 'NAKS" from the home page of NAKS.COM, and >looking under The specific model which you are interested in .It lists the >current models for Sale on the right, in case you did not know. > >-- >Thanks for the encouragement that"there are no stupid questions"(although >obviously, there are an awful lot of inquisitive IDIOTS!!). >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Fri Sep 16 00:17:01 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:17:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: PlusDeck 2 PC Cassette Deck Audio Tape to MP3 Converter (item 5808983993 end time Sep-18-05 19:10:07 PDT) Message-ID: heres an interesting tape deck.I will be getting one ASAP. I plan to put it intop an outboard USB drive box(which I already have) for quick dubbing of cd's onbto tape. Wonder howw the result will sound through my treasured RX_303? -- Me to Telmarketer-"I'm not interested". ..Telemarketer-" yes ,I see,however there are some things you should know about it'...Me-"I know everything about it, and I'm still not interested" ...Telemarketer-"uhhh..OK" From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Fri Sep 16 22:58:17 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:58:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Message-ID: <22A8101A-3B84-4F5E-AC7D-083B6CC9D612@zoominternet.net> I am interested in audio restoration(Records and tapes to CD). What cassette deck should I buy and where from. Would you recommend a dragon or a CR-7 or even a CR-7e. And for you fortunate people that have a Nakamichi would you recommend me to buy a noise reduction software or does the Nakamichi clean up the unwanted hiss. Thanks in advanced. Isaac From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 18:24:08 2005 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <200509171001.j8HA0YT2006460@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20050917162408.46318.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Jerry, This device is not cheap. Add shipping and you are in the neighborhood of $150. It could be an expensive disappointment. I am doing coversion of MP3 to WAV using the tape as an intermediary. Beats any digital process done in PC. Pehaps this will interest you. You may try it, and if you do not like it, you can sell the equipment at no loss of money. I use the following: 1. external USB2 audiocard (presently ESI u24 Waveterminal) -cost around $100. External card is a MUST. I have used internal PCI cards and they are inferior, regardless of the price. Inside of PC is a hostile environment for audio. Waveterminal is one of the best budget cards and the cheapest way to connect your PC (i.e. music storage) to you audio stack (i.e. music playback). It has analog and digital outputs. 2. HHB 830 professional CD recorder - around $300 One of the best audio purchases I have ever made. Besides being a CD recorder, it is awesome as a CD player and as CD transport as well. It leaves in the dust some of the audiophile CD players I had. I guess audio recording professionals are not like audiofools to pay exorbitant sums of money for the products that even have no proper electrical shielding inside. Because it is professional equipment, not heavilly marked up consumer toy HHB uses regular CD-Rs, no need to pay ransom with 'music' CD-R 3. Nak for tape recording. Nuff said. 4. The best interconnects cables you can afford. I use DIY Homegrown silver cabling. Software used is Apple ITunes (Free) The process: 1. Connect Nak to Waveterminal analog outputs 2. Create 2 playlists - for side A and Side B. Rearanging the tracks is a joy with ITUNES. If you like crossfade, you can manage it with Itunes. The result will be 45 min of continuous music - great for dance mixes for example. If you want to have silence between tracks and have each track recognized in the final result as a separate track, you will have to create 10 seconds silent passage in any PC recording tool and convert it into MP3. Then you will add this silence track between all music tracks in the playlist. Bear with me, you'll see why. 3. Use the ITUNES equailzer if needed 4. Prepare deck for recording and play the playlist for side A. repeat for side b. Naks brings some of the life back to MP3. I guess it has to do with analog coloration and the way how we hear. The result is completelly different then listening to MP3s. Comparable to analog radio. You can not make a steak out of minced meat, but you can make very tasty burger you don't mind having occasionally instead of the steak :-) First part of task completed. You have MP3 on tape in listenable form. many will stop here. There is more. Now, you record that tape with HHB 830 professional recorder. HHB has a feature to recognize new tracks if there is a silence between them. That's where the silence on the tape kicks in. The result is awesome, the Nak sound signature captured on CD. The same process can be used to archive your Nak tapes or compare sound of different NAKs or to archive all your tapes to PC. Hope this helps, Bob From britri at comcast.net Sat Sep 17 19:24:07 2005 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:24:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: PlusDeck 2 PC Cassette Deck Audio Tape to MP3 Converter (item 5808983993 end time Sep-18-05 19:10:07 PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432C5137.6060207@comcast.net> jerryjg wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/PlusDeck-2-PC-Cassette-Deck-Audio-Tape-to-MP3-Converter_W0QQitemZ5808983993QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >> > heres an interesting tape deck.I will be getting one ASAP. I plan to > put it intop an outboard USB drive box(which I already have) for > quick dubbing of cd's onbto tape. Wonder howw the result will sound > through my treasured RX_303? Notice the first reference to audio recording is for spoken word tapes: >From motivational speaker tapes to your childs educational tapes. However, it is a very cool idea. It states that it has 1 microphone input. I wonder if this is a 2 channel, stereo set up. Keep us posted! Bribri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 17 20:18:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:18:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <22A8101A-3B84-4F5E-AC7D-083B6CC9D612@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <000d01c5bbb4$44dbf3a0$119d87d9@oemcomputer> Dragon because it has NAAC for auto-continual adjuystmnent of azimuth playback of the cassettes you want to restore. As a second choice, the CR-7. (Note the CR-7, CR-7e and the CR-7a are allthe same machine, just set up for different voltage power supplies. ) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Isaacyoung > Sent: 16 September 2005 21:58 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > > I am interested in audio restoration(Records and tapes to CD). What > cassette deck should I buy and where from. Would you recommend a > dragon or a CR-7 or even a CR-7e. And for you fortunate people that > have a Nakamichi would you recommend me to buy a noise reduction > software or does the Nakamichi clean up the unwanted hiss. Thanks in > advanced. > > Isaac > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Sep 17 20:39:49 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:39:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <20050917162408.46318.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050917162408.46318.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <432C62F5.40206@woods-and-waters.com> Great advice, Bob! Other than suggesting considering higher-end software or sounds cards and the Alesis Masterlink as an upgrade to the HHB, I cannot add a thing to it. Good choice on the HHB because it is the best of the $300.00 CD recorders. Definitely build your own cables -- anyone with a soldering iron and common sense can beat or equal any of the commercial offerings. Save your money for music and more Nakamichis. Congratulations on your DIY cables! N-Joy! Bob Petrovich wrote: > This device is not cheap. Add shipping and you are in the neighborhood > of $150. It could be an expensive disappointment. > > I am doing coversion of MP3 to WAV using the tape as an intermediary. > Beats any digital process done in PC. Pehaps this will interest you. > > You may try it, and if you do not like it, you can sell the equipment > at no loss of money. > > I use the following: > > 1. external USB2 audiocard (presently ESI u24 Waveterminal) -cost > around $100. > > External card is a MUST. I have used internal PCI cards and they are > inferior, regardless of the price. Inside of PC is a hostile > environment > for audio. > > Waveterminal is one of the best budget cards and the cheapest way to > connect your PC (i.e. music storage) to you audio stack (i.e. music > playback). It has analog and digital outputs. > > > 2. HHB 830 professional CD recorder - around $300 > One of the best audio purchases I have ever made. Besides > being a CD recorder, it is awesome as a CD player and as CD transport > as well. It leaves in the dust some of the audiophile CD players I had. > I guess audio recording professionals are not like audiofools to pay > exorbitant sums of money for the products that even have no proper > electrical shielding inside. Because it is professional equipment, not > heavilly marked up consumer toy HHB uses regular CD-Rs, no need to pay > ransom with 'music' CD-R > > 3. Nak for tape recording. Nuff said. > > > 4. The best interconnects cables you can afford. I use DIY Homegrown > silver cabling. > > > Software used is Apple ITunes (Free) > > > The process: > > 1. Connect Nak to Waveterminal analog outputs > 2. Create 2 playlists - for side A and Side B. Rearanging the tracks > is a joy with ITUNES. > > If you like crossfade, you can manage it with Itunes. > The result will be 45 min of continuous music - great for dance mixes > for example. > > If you want to have silence between tracks and have each track > recognized in the final result as a separate track, you will have to > create 10 seconds silent passage in any PC recording tool and convert > it into MP3. Then you will add this silence track between all music > tracks in the playlist. Bear with me, you'll see why. > > 3. Use the ITUNES equailzer if needed > 4. Prepare deck for recording and play the playlist for side A. repeat > for side b. > > Naks brings some of the life back to MP3. I guess it has to do with > analog coloration and the way how we hear. The result is completelly > different then listening to MP3s. Comparable to analog radio. You can > not make a steak out of minced meat, but you can make very tasty burger > you don't mind having occasionally instead of the steak :-) > > > First part of task completed. You have MP3 on tape in listenable form. > many will stop here. There is more. > > Now, you record that tape with HHB 830 professional recorder. HHB has a > > feature to recognize new tracks if there is a silence between them. > That's where the silence on the tape kicks in. > > The result is awesome, the Nak sound signature captured on CD. > > > The same process can be used to archive your Nak tapes or compare sound > of different NAKs or to archive all your tapes to PC. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Sep 17 20:55:19 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:55:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <22A8101A-3B84-4F5E-AC7D-083B6CC9D612@zoominternet.net> References: <22A8101A-3B84-4F5E-AC7D-083B6CC9D612@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <432C6697.9060205@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Isaac, ANY Nakamichi will serve you well. I use my 600-II to excellent effect in audio restoration and recommend its brand of sonic flattery (evocative of a big stuio reel-to-reel) quite highly. A cassette deck's noise reduction serves only to minimize its own noise; it will not improve the noise of the source material. Noise reduction software tends to rob the music of life, but is better than nothing. Ideally, try to find good analog noise reductions, like SAE, Burwen/KLH, Packburn, Phillips DNL, or even one of Behringer's units. For restoring 78 rpm records and broadcast transcriptions, you may want to build and tweak a Scott Dynaural Processor (working ones are exceedingly rare) then add a Burwen or KLH TNE-7000 (I may have the number wrong), an SAE 5000A or a Packburn unit to reduce clicks and pops. Cylinder records require special equipment and are a separate topic in their own right. For restoring LP and 45-rpm records, also look for a Burwen or KLH TNE-7000 (I may have the number wrong), an SAE 5000A or a Packburn unit. If you're restoring a cassette recording, consider a Pioneer cassette deck equipped with FLEX, then copy the cassette over to a Nakamichi for posterity. Ask Graham about FLEX. He's the expert on it. If you're restoring an 8-track cartridge, you'll need some sort of noise limiter like the Burwen/KLH or the Philips DNL. Or a better idea is to forget restoring 8-tracks. If you're restoring a broadcast cart, try to find a good cart machine with auto-azimuth, like ITC or Ampro. Isaacyoung wrote: > I am interested in audio restoration(Records and tapes to CD). What > cassette deck should I buy and where from. Would you recommend a dragon > or a CR-7 or even a CR-7e. And for you fortunate people that have a > Nakamichi would you recommend me to buy a noise reduction software or > does the Nakamichi clean up the unwanted hiss. Thanks in advanced. > > Isaac > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From packratt at erols.com Sun Sep 18 01:20:53 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:20:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back References: <20050917162408.46318.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> <432C62F5.40206@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <432CA4D5.9010308@erols.com> I've read some good opinions on these two links over in the Home Theater Spot forum. http://www.tracertek.com/newway.htm http://digitalaudio.consumerelectronicsnet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=31891 Le Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Great advice, Bob! > > Other than suggesting considering higher-end software or sounds cards > and the Alesis Masterlink as an upgrade to the HHB, I cannot add a > thing to it. Good choice on the HHB because it is the best of the > $300.00 CD recorders. Definitely build your own cables -- anyone with > a soldering iron and common sense can beat or equal any of the > commercial offerings. Save your money for music and more Nakamichis. > Congratulations on your DIY cables! > > N-Joy! > Bob Petrovich wrote: > >> This device is not cheap. Add shipping and you are in the neighborhood >> of $150. It could be an expensive disappointment. >> I am doing coversion of MP3 to WAV using the tape as an intermediary. >> Beats any digital process done in PC. Pehaps this will interest you. >> >> You may try it, and if you do not like it, you can sell the equipment >> at no loss of money. >> I use the following: >> >> 1. external USB2 audiocard (presently ESI u24 Waveterminal) -cost >> around $100. >> External card is a MUST. I have used internal PCI cards and they are >> inferior, regardless of the price. Inside of PC is a hostile >> environment for audio. >> Waveterminal is one of the best budget cards and the cheapest way to >> connect your PC (i.e. music storage) to you audio stack (i.e. music >> playback). It has analog and digital outputs. >> >> 2. HHB 830 professional CD recorder - around $300 >> One of the best audio purchases I have ever made. Besides being a CD >> recorder, it is awesome as a CD player and as CD transport >> as well. It leaves in the dust some of the audiophile CD players I had. >> I guess audio recording professionals are not like audiofools to pay >> exorbitant sums of money for the products that even have no proper >> electrical shielding inside. Because it is professional equipment, not >> heavilly marked up consumer toy HHB uses regular CD-Rs, no need to pay >> ransom with 'music' CD-R >> >> 3. Nak for tape recording. Nuff said. >> >> 4. The best interconnects cables you can afford. I use DIY Homegrown >> silver cabling. >> >> Software used is Apple ITunes (Free) >> >> The process: >> 1. Connect Nak to Waveterminal analog outputs 2. Create 2 playlists - >> for side A and Side B. Rearanging the tracks >> is a joy with ITUNES. >> >> If you like crossfade, you can manage it with Itunes. The result >> will be 45 min of continuous music - great for dance mixes >> for example. >> If you want to have silence between tracks and have each track >> recognized in the final result as a separate track, you will have to >> create 10 seconds silent passage in any PC recording tool and convert >> it into MP3. Then you will add this silence track between all music >> tracks in the playlist. Bear with me, you'll see why. >> 3. Use the ITUNES equailzer if needed >> 4. Prepare deck for recording and play the playlist for side A. repeat >> for side b. >> Naks brings some of the life back to MP3. I guess it has to do with >> analog coloration and the way how we hear. The result is completelly >> different then listening to MP3s. Comparable to analog radio. You can >> not make a steak out of minced meat, but you can make very tasty burger >> you don't mind having occasionally instead of the steak :-) >> >> >> First part of task completed. You have MP3 on tape in listenable >> form. many will stop here. There is more. >> Now, you record that tape with HHB 830 professional recorder. HHB has a >> >> feature to recognize new tracks if there is a silence between them. >> That's where the silence on the tape kicks in. >> The result is awesome, the Nak sound signature captured on CD. >> >> The same process can be used to archive your Nak tapes or compare sound >> of different NAKs or to archive all your tapes to PC. > From packratt at erols.com Sun Sep 18 01:22:24 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:22:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good price on Maxell XLII Message-ID: <432CA530.2060707@erols.com> Check at your local Walgreens. They had XLII 90's 7 pack for $9.99 with some sort of rebate that brought it down to $5.99. Le From wjw at warwick.net Sun Sep 18 10:21:02 2005 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:21:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration References: <000d01c5bbb4$44dbf3a0$119d87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <432D236E.AF129622@warwick.net> > Isaac, I've been doing this kind of work for a while now, and of course the Dragon and the CR7 are really the top of the line Naks. But for your purposes, which would be mostly playing your tapes into the computer, a Cassette Deck 1 will serve you well and not take such a bite out of your wallet. It has a manual azimuth adjustment, which will allow you to 'find' the spot on your tapes where the playback will sound best. The Nak DR1 has this same feature. Both can be found on Ebay, audiogon.com, and other sites where used equipment is for sale, and usually at very reasonable prices (I got my Cassette Deck 1 for $200 on Ebay about 3 years ago). As for software, I've been using Soundforge with the optional (read: you gotta pay extra for it) Noise Reduction 2 plug-in. Soundforge has very good vinyl restoration tools- the 'click and crackle' removal for Lps is just amazing, and often all you will need. I can't remember if this comes with the basic Soundforge package or if it's part of the Noise Reduction plug-in- I think it's part of the basic software. The Noise Reduction 2 plug-in has 4 'modes' for noise reduction, and is much more versatile than the noise reduction tool that you get with the basic software. But if all you want to do is remove tape hiss, the noise reduction that comes with the basic package may be all you'll find necessary. There is also a very good Soundforge book that will be very useful in starting you off using the various features of the software. You'll also want a good soundcard- one that has "audio in" and "audio out" cables as part of the soundcard. I've been using a Lynx One for a few years and I'm satisfied with it, but there are others. Hope this helps. It's a lot of fun to play a favorite Lp into the computer and then see how great it sounds after all the little 'clicks and pops' have been removed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Isaacyoung > > Sent: 16 September 2005 21:58 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > > > > > I am interested in audio restoration(Records and tapes to CD). What > > cassette deck should I buy and where from. Would you recommend a > > dragon or a CR-7 or even a CR-7e. And for you fortunate people that > > have a Nakamichi would you recommend me to buy a noise reduction > > software or does the Nakamichi clean up the unwanted hiss. Thanks in > > advanced. > > > > Isaac > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 18 18:04:43 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:04:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <432C6697.9060205@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5bc6a$ae8da1c0$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> Isaac Kermit has reminded me that I ought to point out the Pioneers with FLEX are also excellent for replaying old cassettes. As Mark Hugo said: "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do. The range of frequencies subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!!" So, it's excellent for bringing back to life faded cassette recordings in a way the CR7, DR1 or Dragon cannot compete. Of the Pioneers, the CT-S830S or CT-S730S are the 2nd hand bargains. Their current model, however, is the D-T7. But if your recordings are not faded they will certainly be replayed best of all on a Dragon or else a CR-7 or DR-1 so their adjustable azimuth for replay can be used to squeeze the best out of the recordings. Gra' > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Sep 18 18:30:30 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:30:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <22A8101A-3B84-4F5E-AC7D-083B6CC9D612@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: Hi, Isacc/all: Here's my semi budget setup, which works beautifully, sorry if this is long... All of my pre CD music from over the years was recorded from vinyl using Naks. First a Dual deck with various Shure cartridges, and later, my best setup being an altered AR turntable using a Shure V15 cartridge recording onto a Nak ZX-7. I used to spend a lot of time on it, putting together compilations of several different disks on each cassette. I now have several hundred cassettes, about 3/4 of which are classical music, and I am slowly getting them into digital form. I disagree with the statement that you can't record into a computer sound card. I've had "audiophile" friends with younger ears then mine A/B my digital CD recordings against my original cassette source and they could either not tell the difference, or said the digital CD version sounded better then the cassette, but that's something I'm not prepared to argue with any one, just try it yourself, but you must have a good sound card and recording levels with digital must stay out of the peaks or you quickly get very audible distortion. I'm using an internal $90 US PCI Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS which is capable of actual 24bit recording, but I use the CD quality 44100khz/16bit level, which is more then enough for cassette quality from vinyl. Another sound card in the same price range that is better quality then the Audigy is the M-Audio Revolution 7.1 http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Revolution71-main.html but the Audigy is better, if you are into flight sims or other game intensive play as it doesn't use your processor resources like almost all other audio cards. For editing audio, you need lots of RAM and a newer computer. I have an Intel 2.4ghz with 1 GB RAM, but I wish I had 2 GB with my Windows XP I set the Nak ZX-7 about 4' from the computer and use 6'(2m) Apature cables to connect it to the sound card aux in. You may have to adjust the playback head for best playback on the Nak as the original recording probably had different head alignmnet, a CD with pink noise like the Stereophile Test CD is good. For recording and editing I use a free program I recently found, "Audacity" http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/features It has many features, but it's biggest advantage is that it is VERY fast while editing/splitting tracks and intuitive to use with good recording VU bars. I record each side of the cassette to a single wave file that I save on the computer in a folder with the same name as the cassette. Be sure when recording that your loudest passages don't peak into the red, you can always even out volume levels digitally later, but you don't want digital recording distortion. I then split the tracks up using Audacity and put them in sub folders for side "A" & "B". If I want to do any further editing of each wave cut, like removing pops, ticks, noise, etc. I use another shareware program, called "Wave Repair," designed specifically for editing wave recordings of records. http://www.delback.co.uk/wavrep/ There is a free trial and it costs about $30 US. It takes a bit of learning to get going quickly in it because you have to learn some keyboard shortcuts to work fast, but it's the best for vinyl restoration at any price, that I have found. If you want to spend quite a bit, I think Cool Edit Pro is great, but it is now Adobe "Audition" http://www.adobe.com/special/products/audition/syntrillium.html and, of course, there are other, very good, but also spendy ones, like Gold Wave, Cake Walk, Sound Forge, etc. Somewhat time consuming, during track splitting is naming each smaller wave file. I generally keep a concerto, etc., in one wav and don't split it into each movement, but some cassettes can have a lot of pieces to name. After editing or just splitting up the wave files into smaller ones, I back them all up to an external HD for posterity, along with the original per side wave files. Now is the fun part... There are lots of good "juke box" organization/naming/ripping/recording programs, I use the free Windows Media Player 10. You can easily apply ratings to different cuts, organize things by artist, album, name, etc. You can put together compilations of different wav files you made and then burn them to a Music CD for play back anywhere. If you want to get fancy, you can make labels and liners listing the contents, etc. You can enter meta data that will show up in playback in most players too. For the very best quality you can record music CDs that will hold about 80 minutes of music on a 700MB disk and can be played almost anywhere. Just like the music CDs in the stores. Also, there is MP3. I just bought a Sony CD walkman NE-520 that plays MP3 and music CDs... it's pretty amazing. I now want to get a car CD/FM unit that will play MP3 CDs too as I have to use my walkman with a converter to hear it in the car. I've been "ripping" my wav files, (also, music CD cuts), to MP3 at the highest 320bit rate and I end up with about 5 hours of music on one CD, and about 8 hours if I convert at 192 bit. Mp3 is like a jpg, so you don't want to edit them after that (archive your wave files), but I'm finding that at the higher bit rates, especially played on a walkman or in the car, they sound fantastic. I know everyone has different opinions, but thais works for me, and friends who hear the CDs, even the mp3 ones, are amazed at the quality and sound. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:58 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration I am interested in audio restoration(Records and tapes to CD). What cassette deck should I buy and where from. Would you recommend a dragon or a CR-7 or even a CR-7e. And for you fortunate people that have a Nakamichi would you recommend me to buy a noise reduction software or does the Nakamichi clean up the unwanted hiss. Thanks in advanced. Isaac ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sun Sep 18 18:47:24 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:47:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <22A8101A-3B84-4F5E-AC7D-083B6CC9D612@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: PS: One other program, free shareware, that is really useful for MP3 recording is "MP3Gain" http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/ It batch processes and adjusts the perceived loudness level of different MP3 files with out degrading them. It's really indispensable if you have a lot of cuts from various sources that you're putting together on one CD. Quote: "MP3Gain does not just do peak normalization, as many normalizers do. Instead, it does some statistical analysis to determine how loud the file actually sounds to the human ear. Also, the changes MP3Gain makes are completely lossless. There is no quality lost in the change because the program adjusts the mp3 file directly, without decoding and re-encoding." -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:58 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration I am interested in audio restoration(Records and tapes to CD). What cassette deck should I buy and where from. Would you recommend a dragon or a CR-7 or even a CR-7e. And for you fortunate people that have a Nakamichi would you recommend me to buy a noise reduction software or does the Nakamichi clean up the unwanted hiss. Thanks in advanced. Isaac ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Sun Sep 18 19:24:52 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:24:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <432D236E.AF129622@warwick.net> References: <000d01c5bbb4$44dbf3a0$119d87d9@oemcomputer> <432D236E.AF129622@warwick.net> Message-ID: Thank you Bill Wheatley, Kermit Gray, and Nelson for your replies. They answered a lot of my questions. I'm still wondering which deck is "The Best" because I would like to convert tapes for other people as a business. Currently I have a Power Mac G5 with Logic 7.1. I also use a Technics RS-T18 tape deck (junk) with a roland vs1880 as my analogue to digital converter. I hope this gives you enough info to help me. Could you give me a tape deck to aim for. Any other comments on a record pre-amp or a good turntable would help as well. Thanks, Isaac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sun Sep 18 21:15:44 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:15:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c5bbb4$44dbf3a0$119d87d9@oemcomputer> <432D236E.AF129622@warwick.net> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050918151459.0724f438@127.0.0.1> Isaac, I am doing this... See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm for photos and a detailed list of equipment that I use. Cheers, Richard At 01:24 PM 9/18/2005, you wrote: >Thank you Bill Wheatley, Kermit Gray, and Nelson for your replies. >They answered a lot of my questions. > >I'm still wondering which deck is "The Best" because I would like to >convert tapes for other people as a business. >Currently I have a Power Mac G5 with Logic 7.1. >I also use a Technics RS-T18 tape deck (junk) with a roland vs1880 >as my analogue to digital converter. >I hope this gives you enough info to help me. Could you give me a >tape deck to aim for. Any other comments on a record pre-amp or a >good turntable would help as well. > >Thanks, >Isaac >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 18 23:14:55 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:14:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002801c5bc96$04763860$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> The best deck? It's horse for course, Isaac. The very best deck for replaying cassettes in good condition will be the Dragon, although other, lesser, Naks are used in studios for the same purpose as you are considering. However, if the cassette you want to copy has faded, then the Pioneer with FLEX will be a better bet as it will help restore the tonal colours of the music. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: 18 September 2005 18:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Thank you Bill Wheatley, Kermit Gray, and Nelson for your replies. They answered a lot of my questions. I'm still wondering which deck is "The Best" because I would like to convert tapes for other people as a business. Currently I have a Power Mac G5 with Logic 7.1. I also use a Technics RS-T18 tape deck (junk) with a roland vs1880 as my analogue to digital converter. I hope this gives you enough info to help me. Could you give me a tape deck to aim for. Any other comments on a record pre-amp or a good turntable would help as well. Thanks, Isaac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Sep 18 22:48:18 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:48:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c5bbb4$44dbf3a0$119d87d9@oemcomputer> <432D236E.AF129622@warwick.net> Message-ID: <432DD292.8040404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi isacc, Isaacyoung wrote: > Thank you Bill Wheatley, Kermit Gray, and Nelson for your replies. They > answered a lot of my questions. > > I'm still wondering which deck is "The Best" because I would like to > convert tapes for other people as a business. > Currently I have a Power Mac G5 with Logic 7.1. Hey, you have the best software already! Logic 7.1 has a declicker and denoiser options in its Factory section that does as good as all but the highest end denoiser software! > I also use a Technics RS-T18 tape deck (junk) with a roland vs1880 as > my analogue to digital converter. The VS1880 will do you fine for an A/D converter too! Looks to me like all you need is any good-condition Nakamichi, an MP3 creator and you're all set to go! > I hope this gives you enough info to help me. Could you give me a tape > deck to aim for. Any other comments on a record pre-amp or a good > turntable would help as well. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Sun Sep 18 23:48:02 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:48:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050918151459.0724f438@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Richard:. Ho-ho... I doubt Isaac will be "in business" on that level... nice setup! :~) Isaac: I guess I didn't say any thing interesting for you (or anyone else here), but I think any Nak is going to sound great if it's in good condition. Certainly better then 99% of the recordings you will find that most people made on their home audio systems, even when they have half way decent equipment. And a good quality, used AR with a top cartridge, can't be beat for the money. here's a beauty on Ebay with a Linn tone arm, Ortofon cartridge and custom base and two days left to bid: http://cgi.ebay.com/AR-Turntable-with-LINN-Basik-LV-X-tonearm-Rega-VPI-N-R_W 0QQitemZ5808996585QQcategoryZ3283QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Good Luck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Isaac, I am doing this... See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm for photos and a detailed list of equipment that I use. Cheers, Richard At 01:24 PM 9/18/2005, you wrote: >Thank you Bill Wheatley, Kermit Gray, and Nelson for your replies. >They answered a lot of my questions. > >I'm still wondering which deck is "The Best" because I would like to >convert tapes for other people as a business. >Currently I have a Power Mac G5 with Logic 7.1. >I also use a Technics RS-T18 tape deck (junk) with a roland vs1880 >as my analogue to digital converter. >I hope this gives you enough info to help me. Could you give me a >tape deck to aim for. Any other comments on a record pre-amp or a >good turntable would help as well. > >Thanks, >Isaac >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Sep 19 00:56:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:56:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <432CA4D5.9010308@erols.com> References: <20050917162408.46318.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> <432C62F5.40206@woods-and-waters.com> <432CA4D5.9010308@erols.com> Message-ID: <432DF0AF.6090104@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Le, packratt at erols.com wrote: > I've read some good opinions on these two links over in the Home Theater > Spot forum. > > http://www.tracertek.com/newway.htm Frankly, I wasn't impressed with TracerTek's screed...it's really just an ad for their products. Their "old way" jive left me ice cold. When I was learning pro recording in the 1970s a standard for listening to LPs DID exist, in contradiction to TracerTek's opinion masquerading as fact. The common practice at that time used: 1. Any good turntable. (My Dual 1249 sufficed just nicely.) 2. Stanton 681EE or 881EEE cartridge. Why? Because it was the calibration standard check cartridge used by most record cutters in the USA at that time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who cut the record heard. I used the Stanton 681EEE at the time. 3. Professional RIAA preamplifier, like the QRK, Gates, Russco, Stanton or Shure models (or others). Why? Because they were the de facto standard preamps used by most record cutters in the USA at that time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who cut the record heard. My preamp was an RCA "New Orthophonic" I built using a 12AX7A and a 6CG7/6FQ7. Why? Because the RIAA adopted the "New Orthophonic" as the offical EQ curve in the 1950s, so I figured why not use "the" official EQ curve designed by the originator of the standard? TODAY I use a Nakamichi 610 for my phono preamp. 4. Pro studio monitor and pro monitor amp. I used Klipsch LaScala speakers and Crown D75A amps at the time. 5. Pro tape deck. My Nak 550, and later the 600-II fulfilled this role nicely. So, when I listened to this rig I knew I was hearing exactly what the disc cutter heard, more or less. Today, you can buy better cartridges and tuirntables -- and I'd encourage you to do so. TracerTek's idea of doing the EQ digitally is fine I suppose, but no reason exists not to use a fine RIAA-EQ'ed preamp. The objective for most persons is simply to record a sound they enjoy, not to make a forensically accurate CD of an LP. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Mon Sep 19 02:34:57 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:34:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Message-ID: <432E07B1.4060007@bresnan.net> Alex; I just purchased a BX-300 Nak and need a owners manual. I would be willing to pay for same. I have tons of tape amd cassettes and hnow have a decent machine to play them on. Thank you so much. Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Mon Sep 19 03:52:37 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:52:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Message-ID: <432E19E5.1040900@bresnan.net> Wouter; Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. This does not sound right! Thank You Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Sep 19 09:06:23 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: <432E19E5.1040900@bresnan.net> References: <432E19E5.1040900@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <5800.212.78.164.66.1127113583.squirrel@212.78.164.66> That is the one, 'only' 8 pages. Wouter > Wouter; > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > This does not sound right! > > Thank You > > Bob Gibson > hootmon17 at bresnan.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 09:13:31 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:13:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: <432E07B1.4060007@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Hi...Bob! To which Alex you refer? I own a Dragon...never have a BX-300! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Bob Gibson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:34:57 -0600 > >Alex; >I just purchased a BX-300 Nak and need a owners manual. >I would be willing to pay for same. > >I have tons of tape amd cassettes and hnow have a decent machine to play >them on. > >Thank you so much. > >Bob Gibson >hootmon17 at bresnan.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 19 09:31:52 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:31:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c5bcec$35a337c0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Bob, give me your email address and I will send you one. I have both the Owners Manual and the Service manual. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 19 September 2005 08:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300e manual Hi...Bob! To which Alex you refer? I own a Dragon...never have a BX-300! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Bob Gibson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX-300e manual >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:34:57 -0600 > >Alex; >I just purchased a BX-300 Nak and need a owners manual. >I would be willing to pay for same. > >I have tons of tape amd cassettes and hnow have a decent machine to >play >them on. > >Thank you so much. > >Bob Gibson >hootmon17 at bresnan.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 19 12:19:47 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:19:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <432DF0AF.6090104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <007401c5bd03$a97e37a0$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> Kermit It's worth remembering, however, that some copies of 78's and pre-1950s curve recordings didn't take into consideration that they were not all laid down originally at different settings. I have some Benny Goodman "modern" copies like this which, when played back by applying the original eq/ curve setting sound "right" whereas they sound wrong with RIAA. That's when specialist phono stages like the Graham Slee "Jazz Club" come into their own ... because they can be set to accept the most common eq. curves. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 18 September 2005 23:57 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > > > Hi Le, > > packratt at erols.com wrote: > > I've read some good opinions on these two links over in the > Home Theater > > Spot forum. > > > > http://www.tracertek.com/newway.htm > > > Frankly, I wasn't impressed with TracerTek's screed...it's really just > an ad for their products. Their "old way" jive left me ice cold. > > When I was learning pro recording in the 1970s a standard for listening > to LPs DID exist, in contradiction to TracerTek's opinion masquerading > as fact. The common practice at that time used: > > 1. Any good turntable. (My Dual 1249 sufficed just nicely.) > > 2. Stanton 681EE or 881EEE cartridge. Why? Because it was the > calibration standard check cartridge used by most record cutters in the > USA at that time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who > cut the record heard. I used the Stanton 681EEE at the time. > > 3. Professional RIAA preamplifier, like the QRK, Gates, Russco, Stanton > or Shure models (or others). Why? Because they were the de facto > standard preamps used by most record cutters in the USA at that time. > Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who cut the record > heard. My preamp was an RCA "New Orthophonic" I built using a 12AX7A and > a 6CG7/6FQ7. Why? Because the RIAA adopted the "New Orthophonic" as the > offical EQ curve in the 1950s, so I figured why not use "the" official > EQ curve designed by the originator of the standard? TODAY I use a > Nakamichi 610 for my phono preamp. > > 4. Pro studio monitor and pro monitor amp. I used Klipsch LaScala > speakers and Crown D75A amps at the time. > > 5. Pro tape deck. My Nak 550, and later the 600-II fulfilled this role > nicely. > > So, when I listened to this rig I knew I was hearing exactly what the > disc cutter heard, more or less. > > Today, you can buy better cartridges and tuirntables -- and I'd > encourage you to do so. > > TracerTek's idea of doing the EQ digitally is fine I suppose, but no > reason exists not to use a fine RIAA-EQ'ed preamp. The objective for > most persons is simply to record a sound they enjoy, not to make a > forensically accurate CD of an LP. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 19 14:09:55 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:09:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <007401c5bd03$a97e37a0$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c5bd13$0d16e640$7300a8c0@Shaun> This discussion makes one consider, did the "final" tape take into account the changes that the RIAA may impose on the "original" recordings or did they just leave them sigh! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 19 September 2005 11:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back Kermit It's worth remembering, however, that some copies of 78's and pre-1950s curve recordings didn't take into consideration that they were not all laid down originally at different settings. I have some Benny Goodman "modern" copies like this which, when played back by applying the original eq/ curve setting sound "right" whereas they sound wrong with RIAA. That's when specialist phono stages like the Graham Slee "Jazz Club" come into their own ... because they can be set to accept the most common eq. curves. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 18 September 2005 23:57 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > > > Hi Le, > > packratt at erols.com wrote: > > I've read some good opinions on these two links over in the > Home Theater > > Spot forum. > > > > http://www.tracertek.com/newway.htm > > > Frankly, I wasn't impressed with TracerTek's screed...it's really just > an ad for their products. Their "old way" jive left me ice cold. > > When I was learning pro recording in the 1970s a standard for > listening to LPs DID exist, in contradiction to TracerTek's opinion > masquerading as fact. The common practice at that time used: > > 1. Any good turntable. (My Dual 1249 sufficed just nicely.) > > 2. Stanton 681EE or 881EEE cartridge. Why? Because it was the > calibration standard check cartridge used by most record cutters in > the USA at that time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the > guy who cut the record heard. I used the Stanton 681EEE at the time. > > 3. Professional RIAA preamplifier, like the QRK, Gates, Russco, > Stanton or Shure models (or others). Why? Because they were the de > facto standard preamps used by most record cutters in the USA at that > time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who cut the > record heard. My preamp was an RCA "New Orthophonic" I built using a > 12AX7A and a 6CG7/6FQ7. Why? Because the RIAA adopted the "New > Orthophonic" as the offical EQ curve in the 1950s, so I figured why > not use "the" official EQ curve designed by the originator of the > standard? TODAY I use a Nakamichi 610 for my phono preamp. > > 4. Pro studio monitor and pro monitor amp. I used Klipsch LaScala > speakers and Crown D75A amps at the time. > > 5. Pro tape deck. My Nak 550, and later the 600-II fulfilled this role > nicely. > > So, when I listened to this rig I knew I was hearing exactly what the > disc cutter heard, more or less. > > Today, you can buy better cartridges and tuirntables -- and I'd > encourage you to do so. > > TracerTek's idea of doing the EQ digitally is fine I suppose, but no > reason exists not to use a fine RIAA-EQ'ed preamp. The objective for > most persons is simply to record a sound they enjoy, not to make a > forensically accurate CD of an LP. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From j.doupe at btinternet.com Mon Sep 19 15:56:33 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:56:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 References: <007c01c59c0d$593b65e0$68a587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00b301c5bd21$f242c640$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Graham, I've had my Nad 6300 in for repair, and all being well I'll be collecting it on Wednesday. Are you OK for a listening day this coming Saturday, or the Saturday after. Please get back to me on j.doupe at btinternet.com Thanks in advance Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100 Well, Jonathan - we did say we'd have a go at putting the CR-7 with the ZX-9 sometime in September. I'm still up for that. May be we'll include the Arcam, too. I tried the Arcam again yesterday - same top notch metal tapes, this time identical cables and I cleaned the heads of the ZX-9 and de-gaussed it, too. The only difference was that I employed Dolby S with the Arcam and C with the ZX-9. Doing an A-B listen against the source through my headphones, using a Tracy Chapman CD. The ZX-9 is definitely "warmer", just as I found it pitched against my previous CR-7. I also realised some upper mid detail was lost against the source. The Arcam is much closer to the source, more accurate in this respect. However, when listening through the speakers, that subtle colouration of the ZX-9 certainly makes for an easier-on-the-ear listen! I now understand why the guy who owned it before me would record his CD's onto one of his ZX-9's (he had three!!) and listen to them from those dubs rather than the CD player! The ZX-9 is easier to calibrate than the Arcam and it has azimuth correction, which the Arcam does not. The meters are much easier to read and probably less accurate than on the ZX-9, too. However, I AM warming to the Arcam and may keep it after all. They can still be serviced. The question is, as it is also for any Nak - for how much longer will spares and servicing be available?? Only a few hundred Arcams were ever made and by a very small company. So, their stocks may be small but demand on them may also be small. Nak's, on the other hand, were bigger hitters and their stocks of spares might be larger but they may be dwindling quicker! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: 27 July 2005 22:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ARCAM DELTA 100: Good on yer!! Hi Gra, Well as an owner of a CR7e, if you'd like to do a head to head test and have a listening afternoon, then I'd be obliged to take part and bring my nak allong. I've also got a Nad 6300 Monitor tape deck, which was built and designed to compete with the top end Naks of the time back in the 80's, it really does sound open clear and is an excellent recorder though isn't quite up to the CR7e, but it would be interesting to get all three going to see how they compare. You never know you cmay even be able to sell tickets for an advanced listening day, I'm sure it would cover the cost of tea and biscuits for the day. Let me know what you think. Jonathan (Southport) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Sep 19 17:42:48 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:42:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: <432E19E5.1040900@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies and get them to you in just a few days. http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Gibson Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Wouter; Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. This does not sound right! Thank You Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Mon Sep 19 18:59:33 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:59:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) In-Reply-To: <200509190659.j8J6x09O005816@zxe.naks.com> References: <200509190659.j8J6x09O005816@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3B726A25-DB40-4B01-9D7F-96CE7A397A7A@mac.com> Hi all, Since Gra' was so very kind as to transfer a couple of my tapes using FLEX (thanks Gra!), I can give you my layman's perspective. The source tapes I used were very old, circa 1979 and 1983 or so, and quite worn out. Gra' transferred them onto XL-II for me. Played back on both my ZX-7 and CR-3a, the new tapes do indeed sound much improved. I noticed it most in a restoration of the bass to a fuller, more natural sound (not the cardboard flop heard on the old tapes) and in some brightening of the high-end. I did find over time that the sound was a little fatiguing, similar to a digital source, but compared to the old tapes, it's still a substantial improvement, esp. when you consider that copying tape to tape usually results in degraded, not improved, audio. Overall I'd say, if you have a lot of old tapes and can't afford a Dragon or CR-7, FLEX is a good way to go. There you have it, an amateur's perspective. cheers, Fred On Sep 18, 2005, at 11:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Kermit has reminded me that I ought to point out the Pioneers with > FLEX are > also excellent for replaying old cassettes. As Mark Hugo said: > > "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency > curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies > where > these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems > but due > to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic > retentivity. And > this, azimuth control cannot do. The range of frequencies subject to > boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more > straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not > tried this > feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear > opener!! > But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmm, > nothing. > You just can't catch it out!!" > > So, it's excellent for bringing back to life faded cassette > recordings in a > way the CR7, DR1 or Dragon cannot compete. Of the Pioneers, the CT- > S830S or > CT-S730S are the 2nd hand bargains. Their current model, however, > is the > D-T7. But if your recordings are not faded they will certainly be > replayed > best of all on a Dragon or else a CR-7 or DR-1 so their adjustable > azimuth > for replay can be used to squeeze the best out of the recordings. > > Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 19 19:28:50 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:28:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <000b01c5bd13$0d16e640$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <008f01c5bd3f$995faa20$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> Shaun It seems some did, some didn't! I have some modern copies that were obviously transferred to new vinyl taking into account the original eq. curve, but others did not. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 19 September 2005 13:10 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > > > This discussion makes one consider, did the "final" tape take into account > the changes that the RIAA may impose on the "original" recordings or did > they just leave them sigh! > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Nelson > Sent: 19 September 2005 11:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > > > Kermit > > It's worth remembering, however, that some copies of 78's and pre-1950s > curve recordings didn't take into consideration that they were > not all laid > down originally at different settings. I have some Benny Goodman "modern" > copies like this which, when played back by applying the original > eq/ curve > setting sound "right" whereas they sound wrong with RIAA. That's when > specialist phono stages like the Graham Slee "Jazz Club" come > into their own > ... because they can be set to accept the most common eq. curves. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > Sent: 18 September 2005 23:57 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > > > > > > Hi Le, > > > > packratt at erols.com wrote: > > > I've read some good opinions on these two links over in the > > Home Theater > > > Spot forum. > > > > > > http://www.tracertek.com/newway.htm > > > > > > Frankly, I wasn't impressed with TracerTek's screed...it's really just > > an ad for their products. Their "old way" jive left me ice cold. > > > > When I was learning pro recording in the 1970s a standard for > > listening to LPs DID exist, in contradiction to TracerTek's opinion > > masquerading as fact. The common practice at that time used: > > > > 1. Any good turntable. (My Dual 1249 sufficed just nicely.) > > > > 2. Stanton 681EE or 881EEE cartridge. Why? Because it was the > > calibration standard check cartridge used by most record cutters in > > the USA at that time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the > > guy who cut the record heard. I used the Stanton 681EEE at the time. > > > > 3. Professional RIAA preamplifier, like the QRK, Gates, Russco, > > Stanton or Shure models (or others). Why? Because they were the de > > facto standard preamps used by most record cutters in the USA at that > > time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who cut the > > record heard. My preamp was an RCA "New Orthophonic" I built using a > > 12AX7A and a 6CG7/6FQ7. Why? Because the RIAA adopted the "New > > Orthophonic" as the offical EQ curve in the 1950s, so I figured why > > not use "the" official EQ curve designed by the originator of the > > standard? TODAY I use a Nakamichi 610 for my phono preamp. > > > > 4. Pro studio monitor and pro monitor amp. I used Klipsch LaScala > > speakers and Crown D75A amps at the time. > > > > 5. Pro tape deck. My Nak 550, and later the 600-II fulfilled this role > > nicely. > > > > So, when I listened to this rig I knew I was hearing exactly what the > > disc cutter heard, more or less. > > > > Today, you can buy better cartridges and tuirntables -- and I'd > > encourage you to do so. > > > > TracerTek's idea of doing the EQ digitally is fine I suppose, but no > > reason exists not to use a fine RIAA-EQ'ed preamp. The objective for > > most persons is simply to record a sound they enjoy, not to make a > > forensically accurate CD of an LP. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Mon Sep 19 22:27:46 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:27:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Message-ID: <000301c5bd58$99eaa2b0$9e25d255@homeduron1300> Hi everyone, Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System is (and does)? Thanks, David Edwards From lists at richardhess.com Mon Sep 19 23:14:05 2005 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:14:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System In-Reply-To: <000301c5bd58$99eaa2b0$9e25d255@homeduron1300> References: <000301c5bd58$99eaa2b0$9e25d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050919171321.030f2fb8@127.0.0.1> It's the consumer version of the Telefunken C4 as I understand it. It sounds good and is incompatible with everything else. You need hardware encoders/decoders for it. I would suggest not creating new tapes with it. Cheers, Richard At 04:27 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote: >Hi everyone, >Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise >Reduction System is (and does)? > >Thanks, > >David Edwards >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com Vignettes Media web: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 19 23:59:12 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:59:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB1B@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Hi David. Like Richard said this noise reduction system was developed by telefunken and it does sound good. I own 3 of these units and will only record tapes with it if I am only going to listen to them at home. I cannot play the tapes recorded with High com encoding on other units without high com because it sounds tinny. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Edwards Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Hi everyone, Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System is (and does)? Thanks, David Edwards ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 02:19:35 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050920001935.60852.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got a response. SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > and get > them to you in just a few days. > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bob Gibson > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > Wouter; > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > This does not sound right! > > Thank You > > Bob Gibson > hootmon17 at bresnan.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 20 08:55:27 2005 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: <20050920001935.60852.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050920001935.60852.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14476.212.78.164.66.1127199327.squirrel@212.78.164.66> You may have better luck on ebay where he sells copies as 'techman777', he has another ebay account for buying originals, can't remember that one right now. Wouter > I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > a response. > > SJ > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > >> >> Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies >> and get >> them to you in just a few days. >> http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ >> From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Sep 20 00:24:17 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:24:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB1B@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <001301c5bd68$e107f250$a724d255@homeduron1300> Thanks very much Tom and Richard for the replies. I'm still not sure how or where one would use one of these units though. Are they for decks without Dolby? Do you record through them and play back through them again? Where would one of these units fit into the recording/playback chain? Sorry to be dense. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > Hi David. Like Richard said this noise reduction system was developed by > telefunken and it does sound good. I own 3 of these units and will only > record tapes with it if I am only going to listen to them at home. I > cannot > play the tapes recorded with High com encoding on other units without high > com because it sounds tinny. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of David Edwards > Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:28 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > > > Hi everyone, > Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction > System > > is (and does)? > > Thanks, > > David Edwards > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From packratt at erols.com Tue Sep 20 02:24:19 2005 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:24:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) References: <20050920001935.60852.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <432F56B3.1080106@erols.com> check on e-bay. He is listing there and I had the manual for my DR-2 in about a week. Le Scott Johnson wrote: >I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got >a response. > >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >>Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies >>and get >>them to you in just a few days. >>http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Bob Gibson >>Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >> >> >>Wouter; >>Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? >> >>There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. >>This does not sound right! >> >>Thank You >> >>Bob Gibson >>hootmon17 at bresnan.net >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 03:42:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:42:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Message-ID: Can be that is "Some" kind of DBX system...only better and much...much expensive you need two decoders...& ALWAYS use them when you listen tapes recorded with such system! for this sole reason I agreed with Rich! It's NOT an a "Universal" system. Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Date: >Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:14:05 -0400 > >It's the consumer version of the Telefunken C4 as I understand it. It >sounds good and is incompatible with everything else. You need hardware >encoders/decoders for it. > >I would suggest not creating new tapes with it. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 04:27 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote: >>Hi everyone, >>Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction >>System is (and does)? >> >>Thanks, >> >>David Edwards >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >Richard L. Hess email: richard at richardhess.com >Vignettes Media web: >http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 03:57:08 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:57:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Message-ID: When I received my gifted Dragon I sent him $20.00 in cash...NEVER any response or the Service manual copy! HIGHLY UNCONFIDENT SELLER! (My personal opinion!) Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > >I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got >a response. > >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > > and get > > them to you in just a few days. > > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bob Gibson > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > > > > Wouter; > > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > > This does not sound right! > > > > Thank You > > > > Bob Gibson > > hootmon17 at bresnan.net > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Sep 20 04:02:36 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:02:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <007401c5bd03$a97e37a0$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> References: <007401c5bd03$a97e37a0$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <432F6DBC.4030303@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Kermit > > It's worth remembering, however, that some copies of 78's and pre-1950s > curve recordings didn't take into consideration that they were not all laid > down originally at different settings. I have some Benny Goodman "modern" > copies like this which, when played back by applying the original eq/ curve > setting sound "right" whereas they sound wrong with RIAA. That's when > specialist phono stages like the Graham Slee "Jazz Club" come into their own > ... because they can be set to accept the most common eq. curves. > Correct, but my assumption was that the question pertained solely to RIAA EQ'ed LPs. I'm building myself a new phono preamp both to replace my trusty RCA "New Orthophonic" that I built in the 1970s and to be used as an alternative to my Nakamichi 610. This new preamp has twelve pre-defined fine-tuneable EQ curves that will match most of the pre-emphasis curves (or lack of curves) of disc recordings made from early Berliner and Edison to the newest LPs. Neverthless, I'd rather have Richard Hess's setup. Wanna trade, Richard? [Joking.] Oh well, I had to ask! > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: 18 September 2005 23:57 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back >> >> >>Hi Le, >> >>packratt at erols.com wrote: >> >>>I've read some good opinions on these two links over in the >> >>Home Theater >> >>>Spot forum. >>> >>>http://www.tracertek.com/newway.htm >> >> >>Frankly, I wasn't impressed with TracerTek's screed...it's really just >>an ad for their products. Their "old way" jive left me ice cold. >> >>When I was learning pro recording in the 1970s a standard for listening >>to LPs DID exist, in contradiction to TracerTek's opinion masquerading >>as fact. The common practice at that time used: >> >>1. Any good turntable. (My Dual 1249 sufficed just nicely.) >> >>2. Stanton 681EE or 881EEE cartridge. Why? Because it was the >>calibration standard check cartridge used by most record cutters in the >>USA at that time. Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who >>cut the record heard. I used the Stanton 681EEE at the time. >> >>3. Professional RIAA preamplifier, like the QRK, Gates, Russco, Stanton >>or Shure models (or others). Why? Because they were the de facto >>standard preamps used by most record cutters in the USA at that time. >>Therefore, you knew you were hearing what the guy who cut the record >>heard. My preamp was an RCA "New Orthophonic" I built using a 12AX7A and >>a 6CG7/6FQ7. Why? Because the RIAA adopted the "New Orthophonic" as the >>offical EQ curve in the 1950s, so I figured why not use "the" official >>EQ curve designed by the originator of the standard? TODAY I use a >>Nakamichi 610 for my phono preamp. >> >>4. Pro studio monitor and pro monitor amp. I used Klipsch LaScala >>speakers and Crown D75A amps at the time. >> >>5. Pro tape deck. My Nak 550, and later the 600-II fulfilled this role >>nicely. >> >>So, when I listened to this rig I knew I was hearing exactly what the >>disc cutter heard, more or less. >> >>Today, you can buy better cartridges and tuirntables -- and I'd >>encourage you to do so. >> >>TracerTek's idea of doing the EQ digitally is fine I suppose, but no >>reason exists not to use a fine RIAA-EQ'ed preamp. The objective for >>most persons is simply to record a sound they enjoy, not to make a >>forensically accurate CD of an LP. >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Sep 20 04:14:29 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:14:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <000b01c5bd13$0d16e640$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000b01c5bd13$0d16e640$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <432F7085.6000804@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > This discussion makes one consider, did the "final" tape take into account > the changes that the RIAA may impose on the "original" recordings or did > they just leave them sigh! Good point, but I think the apsect of the article that hackled me was the fallacy that no one can know how an LP is supposed to sound because no "standard" playback system exists. Although no one single "standard" playback system per se did exist, standard playback practices did -- and do -- exist on the professional side. Thus it is quite possible to "know" how the LP was "supposed to sound"; from then ownard, their propositions fell apart as far as I was concerned. Professional practice is all about adopting standards, both formal and de facto, to ensure that everyone knows what the recording should sound like and to ensure compatibility and consistency from studio to studio. Just look at the number of years that the Stanton cartridges were/are the "standard" cartridges to calibrate LP disc playback, Dolby A was the "standard" noise reduction (and Dolby Level is still regarded by many as the standard recording level), the Yamaha NS-10 was the de facto "standard" studio monitor, the Neumann U87 is the "standard" vocal microphone and the Nakamichi 1000, and later the Dragon, were the de facto "standard" cassette decks! Anyone who tells you that you cannot know how a record should sound UNLESS you buy their equipment is at best being disingenuous and at least is trying to sell you their product. Unless it's me telling you that you cannot know what a LP really sounds like unless you own my amps. Hey, put down the tomato! > SPLAT! < -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Sep 20 04:30:54 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:30:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: <20050920001935.60852.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050920001935.60852.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <432F745E.6070600@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott, Scott Johnson wrote: > I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > a response. That's been my experience with them as well. My favorite places to buy manuals are http://www.hifimanuals.com http://www.servicemanuals.net http://www.stereomanuals.com Because they all are prompt and have high-quality copies. Also, look for "techman777" on eBay. He's great, offering excellent copies - and is one of my favorite sources of manuals! (No, I'm not him.) Among these sources almost any Nakamichi manual may be found. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 20 04:35:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:35:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) In-Reply-To: <3B726A25-DB40-4B01-9D7F-96CE7A397A7A@mac.com> Message-ID: I have heard that the Flex system can be quite good, combined with the digital noise reduction, etc. I also heard that the big weak point in those Pioneer decks is a poor transport design with audible and distracting wow and flutter. Try doing some sustained piano pieces and see how they sound, that might be a good test to check it out. Or just record and play back some test tones to make it even more obvious. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) Hi all, Since Gra' was so very kind as to transfer a couple of my tapes using FLEX (thanks Gra!), I can give you my layman's perspective. The source tapes I used were very old, circa 1979 and 1983 or so, and quite worn out. Gra' transferred them onto XL-II for me. Played back on both my ZX-7 and CR-3a, the new tapes do indeed sound much improved. I noticed it most in a restoration of the bass to a fuller, more natural sound (not the cardboard flop heard on the old tapes) and in some brightening of the high-end. I did find over time that the sound was a little fatiguing, similar to a digital source, but compared to the old tapes, it's still a substantial improvement, esp. when you consider that copying tape to tape usually results in degraded, not improved, audio. Overall I'd say, if you have a lot of old tapes and can't afford a Dragon or CR-7, FLEX is a good way to go. There you have it, an amateur's perspective. cheers, Fred On Sep 18, 2005, at 11:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Kermit has reminded me that I ought to point out the Pioneers with FLEX are also excellent for replaying old cassettes. As Mark Hugo said: "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do. The range of frequencies subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!!" So, it's excellent for bringing back to life faded cassette recordings in a way the CR7, DR1 or Dragon cannot compete. Of the Pioneers, the CT-S830S or CT-S730S are the 2nd hand bargains. Their current model, however, is the D-T7. But if your recordings are not faded they will certainly be replayed best of all on a Dragon or else a CR-7 or DR-1 so their adjustable azimuth for replay can be used to squeeze the best out of the recordings. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Sep 20 05:02:57 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) In-Reply-To: <3B726A25-DB40-4B01-9D7F-96CE7A397A7A@mac.com> References: <200509190659.j8J6x09O005816@zxe.naks.com> <3B726A25-DB40-4B01-9D7F-96CE7A397A7A@mac.com> Message-ID: <432F7BE1.9050004@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Great real-listener review! I had similar impressions of FLEX. \ Frankly, I find the sound of all Pioneer cassette decks fatiguing, so I attributed that aspect of my experience more to the Pioneer signature sound instead of to the FLEX processor. I've owned several Pioneer decks, pity me, and still have my CT-F7272, although more out of nostalgia. Recalibrating the Pioneer differently than the factory-recommended method can markedly improve their sound but you'll never make a Nakamichi out of them! I've tweaked my CT-F7272 and is is quite respectable, but my Nakamichi 600-II still is my favorite cassette deck of all. Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi all, > Since Gra' was so very kind as to transfer a couple of my tapes using > FLEX (thanks Gra!), I can give you my layman's perspective. The source > tapes I used were very old, circa 1979 and 1983 or so, and quite worn > out. Gra' transferred them onto XL-II for me. Played back on both my > ZX-7 and CR-3a, the new tapes do indeed sound much improved. I noticed > it most in a restoration of the bass to a fuller, more natural sound > (not the cardboard flop heard on the old tapes) and in some brightening > of the high-end. I did find over time that the sound was a little > fatiguing, similar to a digital source, but compared to the old tapes, > it's still a substantial improvement, esp. when you consider that > copying tape to tape usually results in degraded, not improved, audio. > Overall I'd say, if you have a lot of old tapes and can't afford a > Dragon or CR-7, FLEX is a good way to go. > > There you have it, an amateur's perspective. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 20 06:46:13 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:46:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: <432F745E.6070600@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: That's strange, I got a very fast, friendly response and received service manuals and operators manual in just a few days from when I ordered them. Quality was very good and in bound volumes with all serial number variations of schematics, etc... I wonder if he was on vacation or something when you tried to contact him. :~) -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: rob at rhoag.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Hi Scott, Scott Johnson wrote: > I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > a response. That's been my experience with them as well. My favorite places to buy manuals are http://www.hifimanuals.com http://www.servicemanuals.net http://www.stereomanuals.com Because they all are prompt and have high-quality copies. Also, look for "techman777" on eBay. He's great, offering excellent copies - and is one of my favorite sources of manuals! (No, I'm not him.) Among these sources almost any Nakamichi manual may be found. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 20 06:48:30 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:48:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Online source of electronics parts? In-Reply-To: <432F745E.6070600@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Scott Johnson: Thanks for the extra info on the caps replacement types from Mr. Sank. That will help a lot. I was trying to remember from my Electronics Tech days the caps designation, guess I'll have to find a resistor color band chart too. :~) -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: rob at rhoag.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Hi Scott, Scott Johnson wrote: > I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > a response. That's been my experience with them as well. My favorite places to buy manuals are http://www.hifimanuals.com http://www.servicemanuals.net http://www.stereomanuals.com Because they all are prompt and have high-quality copies. Also, look for "techman777" on eBay. He's great, offering excellent copies - and is one of my favorite sources of manuals! (No, I'm not him.) Among these sources almost any Nakamichi manual may be found. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 09:14:47 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:14:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Message-ID: Sorry...Wouter...I try both E-mail addresses, and as it's the SAME seller...Negative with me...$:20.00 lost/missed. Waste of time, however, can be because; I live aboard in Israel...! Only Our Lord knows...!!!!!! Happy listening! ALEX! >From: "Wouter Heijke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:55:27 +0200 (CEST) > >You may have better luck on ebay where he sells copies as 'techman777', he >has another ebay account for buying originals, can't remember that one >right now. > >Wouter > > > I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > > a response. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >> > >> Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > >> and get > >> them to you in just a few days. > >> http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 20 14:02:00 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:02:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB1F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> These units are an alternative to Dolby. What you get is an extended S/N ratio (low to nill hiss) but you cannot use this together with Dolby switched on, you would turn the Dolby circuit off and use high com instead. The way the unit is connected is simple, it fit between the amplifier and the tape deck so that the music signal will go to it before the tape deck during recording and the music signal will travel from the tape deck during playback. Unfortunately you will need two of these units for three head decks if you want to do live monitoring of your recording (doh!) but you are almost guaranteed a kick butt recording every time so one unit is sufficient. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Edwards Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 8:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System Thanks very much Tom and Richard for the replies. I'm still not sure how or where one would use one of these units though. Are they for decks without Dolby? Do you record through them and play back through them again? Where would one of these units fit into the recording/playback chain? Sorry to be dense. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > Hi David. Like Richard said this noise reduction system was developed > by telefunken and it does sound good. I own 3 of these units and will > only record tapes with it if I am only going to listen to them at > home. I cannot play the tapes recorded with High com encoding on other > units without high com because it sounds tinny. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:28 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > > > Hi everyone, > Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction > System > > is (and does)? > > Thanks, > > David Edwards > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 20 13:13:18 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:13:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007a01c5bdd4$4e0b3180$66c087d9@oemcomputer> Models from the CT-S730S upwards have excellent mechanisms and a tilted compartment for the cassette. They dub piano very well. I've recorded piano on my CTS830S several times and always been impressed. It simply lacks a smidgen of the weight of the ZX-9 or Alpha 100 G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 20 September 2005 03:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) I have heard that the Flex system can be quite good, combined with the digital noise reduction, etc. I also heard that the big weak point in those Pioneer decks is a poor transport design with audible and distracting wow and flutter. Try doing some sustained piano pieces and see how they sound, that might be a good test to check it out. Or just record and play back some test tones to make it even more obvious. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 19 18:26:52 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:26:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration References: <002801c5bc96$04763860$71cb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <010101c5bde2$be93e830$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> These remarks are really helpful. Is there some software that can help to restore any audio cassette losses. I have about 500 TDK SA tapes covering the last 30years. I am planning to transfer these to mp3. It's going to be a long job so I may as well use the best stuff. I recently bought a Nakamichi Dragon which will help with the auto azymuth. I found demagnezing the heads really improved the cassette sound. At present I am using the Steinberg wavelab program on my pc for recording. Can anyone reccommend any other software. I find that if I use the equalizer button for chrome tapes on the Nak the sound is quite dull and by taking the button off it's too sharp so I am doing what I can with the wavelab program to get a natural but clear sound.... hum (I appreciate the ideal is to keep the equalizer buttons at their proper settings in accord with the type of cassette) Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration The best deck? It's horse for course, Isaac. The very best deck for replaying cassettes in good condition will be the Dragon, although other, lesser, Naks are used in studios for the same purpose as you are considering. However, if the cassette you want to copy has faded, then the Pioneer with FLEX will be a better bet as it will help restore the tonal colours of the music. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isaacyoung Sent: 18 September 2005 18:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Thank you Bill Wheatley, Kermit Gray, and Nelson for your replies. They answered a lot of my questions. I'm still wondering which deck is "The Best" because I would like to convert tapes for other people as a business. Currently I have a Power Mac G5 with Logic 7.1. I also use a Technics RS-T18 tape deck (junk) with a roland vs1880 as my analogue to digital converter. I hope this gives you enough info to help me. Could you give me a tape deck to aim for. Any other comments on a record pre-amp or a good turntable would help as well. Thanks, Isaac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 20 16:30:16 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:30:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: You sent $20 IN CASH?... uhh... never mind. Could be some post office clear having a nice lunch on your donation. :~) Just a suggestion, don't send cash to anyone, that's a REALLY BAD idea. I doubt Mike stole your money, but think what you want. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) When I received my gifted Dragon I sent him $20.00 in cash...NEVER any response or the Service manual copy! HIGHLY UNCONFIDENT SELLER! (My personal opinion!) Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > >I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got >a response. > >SJ > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > > and get > > them to you in just a few days. > > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bob Gibson > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > > > > Wouter; > > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > > This does not sound right! > > > > Thank You > > > > Bob Gibson > > hootmon17 at bresnan.net > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Tue Sep 20 16:38:28 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:38:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX/RX series display segments Message-ID: <43301EE4.9040801@bresnan.net> Dear Wouter, Again thank you for you help. I just bought a Nak MR2 and in need of a Owners Manual or Service manual. I dont mean to be greedy in downloading these manuals but the cost for me now is great. Again your help is very much appericated. Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 20 17:13:09 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:13:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <010101c5bde2$be93e830$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Message-ID: <000e01c5bdf5$cf77cfa0$86c287d9@oemcomputer> Sorry, I can't help with software applications - I hardly ever use CDs, let alone computers, for my music !! Gra' (die-hard analogue Luddite!) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 19 September 2005 17:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration These remarks are really helpful. Is there some software that can help to restore any audio cassette losses. I have about 500 TDK SA tapes covering the last 30years. I am planning to transfer these to mp3. It's going to be a long job so I may as well use the best stuff. I recently bought a Nakamichi Dragon which will help with the auto azymuth. I found demagnezing the heads really improved the cassette sound. At present I am using the Steinberg wavelab program on my pc for recording. Can anyone reccommend any other software. I find that if I use the equalizer button for chrome tapes on the Nak the sound is quite dull and by taking the button off it's too sharp so I am doing what I can with the wavelab program to get a natural but clear sound.... hum (I appreciate the ideal is to keep the equalizer buttons at their proper settings in accord with the type of cassette) Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration The best deck? It's horse for course, Isaac. The very best deck for replaying cassettes in good condition will be the Dragon, although other, lesser, Naks are used in studios for the same purpose as you are considering. However, if the cassette you want to copy has faded, then the Pioneer with FLEX will be a better bet as it will help restore the tonal colours of the music. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 17:30:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:30:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Message-ID: Hi Doane! Yes could be...I don't denied such possibility!!!. However was NOT my first time that I sent as a "Sandwich" among two 4X6 inch black color photo paper, some time 5 times more money...however happens with my order from mike...and thank's to another lovely Nak "Mad"...I get a copy of the service manual...maybe NOT SO nicer...however IF... (I really hope that never...!), will be need to repair my Dragon's...here in Israel...will be very hard to do the job well, & maybe with the service manual can be much comprehend and easy to the technician. However...I learn...NO more Cash!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:30:16 -0700 > > >Alex: You sent $20 IN CASH?... uhh... never mind. > >Could be some post office clear having a nice lunch on your donation. :~) >Just a suggestion, don't send cash to anyone, that's a REALLY BAD idea. I >doubt Mike stole your money, but think what you want. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:57 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > >When I received my gifted Dragon I sent him $20.00 in cash...NEVER any >response or the Service manual copy! HIGHLY UNCONFIDENT SELLER! (My >personal >opinion!) > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > >a response. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > > > > Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > > > and get > > > them to you in just a few days. > > > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bob Gibson > > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > > > > > > > Wouter; > > > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > > > > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > > > This does not sound right! > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Bob Gibson > > > hootmon17 at bresnan.net > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 20 17:55:32 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:55:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) Message-ID: All the modern Pioneer single decks, particularly the double capstan machines are steady - only the double machines have some flutter sidebands. A unit like the CT-S830S has the Reference Master Mechanism which is as good as any of the best. Even the single cap mech machines like the CT-S550S precision and CT-S640S are high class mechanisms and unlikely to be caught out. As mentioned by Kermit, the sonic signature is quite another issue - a definite Pioneer "sound" pervades theri music making, which some individuals may not like. Cheers - Marc >>> "Doane Hoag" 09/20/05 04:35AM >>> I have heard that the Flex system can be quite good, combined with the digital noise reduction, etc. I also heard that the big weak point in those Pioneer decks is a poor transport design with audible and distracting wow and flutter. Try doing some sustained piano pieces and see how they sound, that might be a good test to check it out. Or just record and play back some test tones to make it even more obvious. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] FLEX (was audio restoration) Hi all, Since Gra' was so very kind as to transfer a couple of my tapes using FLEX (thanks Gra!), I can give you my layman's perspective. The source tapes I used were very old, circa 1979 and 1983 or so, and quite worn out. Gra' transferred them onto XL-II for me. Played back on both my ZX-7 and CR-3a, the new tapes do indeed sound much improved. I noticed it most in a restoration of the bass to a fuller, more natural sound (not the cardboard flop heard on the old tapes) and in some brightening of the high-end. I did find over time that the sound was a little fatiguing, similar to a digital source, but compared to the old tapes, it's still a substantial improvement, esp. when you consider that copying tape to tape usually results in degraded, not improved, audio. Overall I'd say, if you have a lot of old tapes and can't afford a Dragon or CR-7, FLEX is a good way to go. There you have it, an amateur's perspective. cheers, Fred On Sep 18, 2005, at 11:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Kermit has reminded me that I ought to point out the Pioneers with FLEX arealso excellent for replaying old cassettes. As Mark Hugo said: "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequencycurve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies wherethese are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but dueto wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. Andthis, azimuth control cannot do. The range of frequencies subject toboosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just morestraightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried thisfeature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!!But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmm, nothing.You just can't catch it out!!" So, it's excellent for bringing back to life faded cassette recordings in away the CR7, DR1 or Dragon cannot compete. Of the Pioneers, the CT-S830S orCT-S730S are the 2nd hand bargains. Their current model, however, is theD-T7. But if your recordings are not faded they will certainly be replayedbest of all on a Dragon or else a CR-7 or DR-1 so their adjustable azimuthfor replay can be used to squeeze the best out of the recordings. Gra' The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 20 18:05:58 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:05:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <432F7085.6000804@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit: You're right, and I think the best solution is to become familiar with live concert sounds, it's the only real referece we have, right? It's amazing how many people who have very good equipment have never been to a classical orchestra performance, or if they have, really didn't pay attention to the sound as well as the performance itself. I used to have a vinyl recording of Britten's "Young person's guide to the orchestra" and "Peter the Wolf," they make you more aware of what you are hearing, and can be invaluable. There is a really excellent recording of Peter and the Wolf on a joint Russian/USA effort on CD and a CD/SACD version: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-2641978-1948621 If you can attend some real performances, you can then compare them to the recording. This is also a great introduction to classical music if you have kids and can get them interested in listening to more. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > This discussion makes one consider, did the "final" tape take into account > the changes that the RIAA may impose on the "original" recordings or did > they just leave them sigh! Good point, but I think the apsect of the article that hackled me was the fallacy that no one can know how an LP is supposed to sound because no "standard" playback system exists. Although no one single "standard" playback system per se did exist, standard playback practices did -- and do -- exist on the professional side. Thus it is quite possible to "know" how the LP was "supposed to sound"; from then ownard, their propositions fell apart as far as I was concerned. Professional practice is all about adopting standards, both formal and de facto, to ensure that everyone knows what the recording should sound like and to ensure compatibility and consistency from studio to studio. Just look at the number of years that the Stanton cartridges were/are the "standard" cartridges to calibrate LP disc playback, Dolby A was the "standard" noise reduction (and Dolby Level is still regarded by many as the standard recording level), the Yamaha NS-10 was the de facto "standard" studio monitor, the Neumann U87 is the "standard" vocal microphone and the Nakamichi 1000, and later the Dragon, were the de facto "standard" cassette decks! Anyone who tells you that you cannot know how a record should sound UNLESS you buy their equipment is at best being disingenuous and at least is trying to sell you their product. Unless it's me telling you that you cannot know what a LP really sounds like unless you own my amps. Hey, put down the tomato! > SPLAT! < -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 20 19:09:21 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:09:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: I just hope we can all continue to get parts for these old Naks! It's hard enough finding some one to work on them who has all the equipment, and at a price that doesn't cost as much as buying one new again! :~) cheers! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Hi Doane! Yes could be...I don't denied such possibility!!!. However was NOT my first time that I sent as a "Sandwich" among two 4X6 inch black color photo paper, some time 5 times more money...however happens with my order from mike...and thank's to another lovely Nak "Mad"...I get a copy of the service manual...maybe NOT SO nicer...however IF... (I really hope that never...!), will be need to repair my Dragon's...here in Israel...will be very hard to do the job well, & maybe with the service manual can be much comprehend and easy to the technician. However...I learn...NO more Cash!!! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:30:16 -0700 > > >Alex: You sent $20 IN CASH?... uhh... never mind. > >Could be some post office clear having a nice lunch on your donation. :~) >Just a suggestion, don't send cash to anyone, that's a REALLY BAD idea. I >doubt Mike stole your money, but think what you want. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:57 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > >When I received my gifted Dragon I sent him $20.00 in cash...NEVER any >response or the Service manual copy! HIGHLY UNCONFIDENT SELLER! (My >personal >opinion!) > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > >a response. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > > > > Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > > > and get > > > them to you in just a few days. > > > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Bob Gibson > > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > > > > > > > Wouter; > > > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > > > > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > > > This does not sound right! > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Bob Gibson > > > hootmon17 at bresnan.net > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:20:26 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:20:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) Message-ID: Dear Doane! Yes...completely agreed! If NOT here in Israel, the nearest place today is UK (B & W), also you are so realistic...will cost a lot of money...shipment..Oh...my Lord...I really don't want to think it about!! Regards, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:09:21 -0700 > > >Alex: >I just hope we can all continue to get parts for these old Naks! It's hard >enough finding some one to work on them who has all the equipment, and at a >price that doesn't cost as much as buying one new again! :~) > >cheers! > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:31 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > >Hi Doane! > >Yes could be...I don't denied such possibility!!!. However was NOT my first >time that I sent as a "Sandwich" among two 4X6 inch black color photo >paper, >some time 5 times more money...however happens with my order from >mike...and >thank's to another lovely Nak "Mad"...I get a copy of the service >manual...maybe NOT SO nicer...however IF... (I really hope that never...!), >will be need to repair my Dragon's...here in Israel...will be very hard to >do the job well, & maybe with the service manual can be much comprehend and >easy to the technician. > >However...I learn...NO more Cash!!! > >Greetings, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:30:16 -0700 > > > > > >Alex: You sent $20 IN CASH?... uhh... never mind. > > > >Could be some post office clear having a nice lunch on your donation. :~) > >Just a suggestion, don't send cash to anyone, that's a REALLY BAD idea. I > >doubt Mike stole your money, but think what you want. > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:57 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > > > >When I received my gifted Dragon I sent him $20.00 in cash...NEVER any > >response or the Service manual copy! HIGHLY UNCONFIDENT SELLER! (My > >personal > >opinion!) > > > >Happy Listening, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I've sent them multiple emails requesting manuals and never once got > > >a response. > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Contact Mike at VintageAudio. They make high quality, bound copies > > > > and get > > > > them to you in just a few days. > > > > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Bob Gibson > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:53 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals (pdf format) > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter; > > > > Where can I download or purchase a Owners Manual for my BX-300? > > > > > > > > There was a person who sells it on E-Bay, but it only had 8 pages. > > > > This does not sound right! > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > > > Bob Gibson > > > > hootmon17 at bresnan.net > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bonarigo at hhmi.org Tue Sep 20 21:25:17 2005 From: bonarigo at hhmi.org (Bonarigo, Marc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:25:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Message-ID: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E01BB8A9F@hqexch3.hhmi.org> Does anyone other than me find it odd that folks with state of the art analog cassette decks are recommending low-fi digital noise reduction and equalization solutions to transferring old recordings? Even when lightly used, digital noise reduction and digital eq noticeably affects the subtle overtones and decays in music that Naks so faithfully replicate. Frankly, given the choice between a digitally noise reduced recording transferred via a run of the mill cassette deck or a non-digitally noise reduced recording transferred via a Nak, I'd take the former every time. At least some of the magic of the original recording will still be there. So unless the recording to be archived is in absolutely unlistenable condition, skip the digital noise reduction schemes that reduce tape hiss, pops, clicks, etc over large portions of a .wav file. Just do a straight transfer. Having said that, if you're ultimately transferring to CD (where the final result is a .wav file anyway), I can recommend using an editor like Goldwave for small repairs of waveforms if you're willing to invest the time. You can do spot repair/removal of pops and clicks and in most cases they are inaudible. However, by "small", I mean repairs on the order of 1/1000th or 2/1000th of a second. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 23 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Sep 20 22:28:26 2005 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:28:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Flex Message-ID: <001501c5be21$dd5b3ef0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> I know this discussion of Pioneer Flex is way off-topic, but I have been intrigued by the comparisons to our trusted Nakamichi decks. The T-D7 looks like a high quality deck, but it is not being exported to the US at all. I even emailed Pioneer Japan to get a line on any possible sources, but had no reply. I was wondering if it is showing up in Europe, Australia, or anywhere else any of our forum members are located. Or.....do we have any members in Japan? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 20 22:47:35 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:47:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5be24$888bf1a0$509587d9@oemcomputer> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 20 September 2005 17:06 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > Hi Kermit: > You're right, and I think the best solution is to become familiar > with live > concert sounds, it's the only real referece we have, right? It's > amazing how > many people who have very good equipment have never been to a classical > orchestra performance, or if they have, really didn't pay attention to the > sound as well as the performance itself. Indeed! It never ceases to amaze me that many hi fi enthusiasts get so very excited by "stereo effect" and "sound staging" which frequently don't exist in a live performance because of the acoustics of the venues and (where it is used) the amplification. Gra' > > > > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Sep 20 22:49:01 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:49:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E01BB8A9F@hqexch3.hhmi.org> References: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E01BB8A9F@hqexch3.hhmi.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050920164629.01b1d410@psulias.psu.edu> I've found for noise reduction for a stable frequency and level (like tape hiss) the program EAC has a simple and effective tool. You simply sample the noise, choose a db level and apply. I have found most restoration software for home computers does more damage than it fixes or is excessively tedious. >Having said that, if you're ultimately transferring to CD (where the final >result is a .wav file anyway), I can recommend using an editor like Goldwave >for small repairs of waveforms if you're willing to invest the time. You can >do spot repair/removal of pops and clicks and in most cases they are >inaudible. However, by "small", I mean repairs on the order of 1/1000th or >2/1000th of a second. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Sep 20 23:56:56 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:56:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <000001c5be24$888bf1a0$509587d9@oemcomputer> References: <000001c5be24$888bf1a0$509587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050920175345.01b01c90@psulias.psu.edu> In a GOOD performance hall you have "sound stage". But since most venues suck ass, you are correct that it usually doesn't matter. :) Here at Penn State we have the extremes. Eisenhower Auditorium which is a fantastic place to see live music, you can hear a pin drop in the place. The other is the Jordan Center which is a basketball arena first, music arena 5th. Your ears may be literally bleeding by the time a 2 hour rock concert is over. At 04:47 PM 9/20/2005, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: 20 September 2005 17:06 > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back > > Hi Kermit: > > You're right, and I think the best solution is to become familiar > > with live > > concert sounds, it's the only real referece we have, right? It's > > amazing how > > many people who have very good equipment have never been to a classical > > orchestra performance, or if they have, really didn't pay attention to the > > sound as well as the performance itself. > >Indeed! It never ceases to amaze me that many hi fi enthusiasts get so very >excited by "stereo effect" and "sound staging" which frequently don't exist >in a live performance because of the acoustics of the venues and (where it >is used) the amplification. > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Sep 20 23:59:03 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:59:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB1F@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: <002f01c5be2e$83f6f4a0$1f95d255@homeduron1300> Thanks Tom, Perhaps I'll give it a miss and just use the Dolby! Many thanks to all for the info. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > These units are an alternative to Dolby. What you get is an extended S/N > ratio (low to nill hiss) but you cannot use this together with Dolby > switched on, you would turn the Dolby circuit off and use high com > instead. > The way the unit is connected is simple, it fit between the amplifier and > the tape deck so that the music signal will go to it before the tape deck > during recording and the music signal will travel from the tape deck > during > playback. Unfortunately you will need two of these units for three head > decks if you want to do live monitoring of your recording (doh!) but you > are > almost guaranteed a kick butt recording every time so one unit is > sufficient. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of David Edwards > Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 8:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > > > Thanks very much Tom and Richard for the replies. > I'm still not sure how or where one would use one of these units though. > Are > they for decks without Dolby? Do you record through them and play back > through them again? Where would one of these units fit into the > recording/playback chain? > > Sorry to be dense. > > Regards, > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:59 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System > > >> Hi David. Like Richard said this noise reduction system was developed >> by telefunken and it does sound good. I own 3 of these units and will >> only record tapes with it if I am only going to listen to them at >> home. I cannot play the tapes recorded with High com encoding on other >> units without high com because it sounds tinny. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of David Edwards >> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:28 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction System >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> Could any of you tell me what a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction >> System >> >> is (and does)? >> >> Thanks, >> >> David Edwards >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Sep 21 05:20:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:20:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4330D17A.7000603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi Kermit: > You're right, and I think the best solution is to become familiar with live > concert sounds, it's the only real referece we have, right? Absolutely right! Go to the head of the class! I spend so much time trying to get "audiophiles" to understand that. Good to meet someone who gets it! > It's amazing how > many people who have very good equipment have never been to a classical > orchestra performance, or if they have, really didn't pay attention to the > sound as well as the performance itself. > It's also the reason so many bad-sounding over-priced systems are successfully sold. > I used to have a vinyl recording of Britten's "Young person's guide to the > orchestra" and "Peter the Wolf," they make you more aware of what you are > hearing, and can be invaluable. There is a really excellent recording of > Peter and the Wolf on a joint Russian/USA effort on CD and a CD/SACD > version: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-2641978-1948621 If > you can attend some real performances, you can then compare them to the > recording. This is also a great introduction to classical music if you have > kids and can get them interested in listening to more. > Thanks for the tip on the CD! I've ordered one for my library. Now if I can find the time to get my Nakamichi OMS-something running. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 06:42:30 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <000e01c5bdf5$cf77cfa0$86c287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050921044230.25734.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Adam, My dad is in the same situation as you are, with a collection going back to about 35 years..but tapes of all types, from Hitachis to TDK-MAXG.. I have written to this group before about me trying to archive his collection to digital media. Everything from building custom pc to really good software. I also invested in Sony's top of line minidisc player (JA555ES) and Sony's W33 cd recorder. The cd recorder was fed with ceramic plated cd blanks from Emtec. Despite all these efforts, over a 4 year period, I still can't seem to beat the big stick of all reproducing equipment- the open reel. Today, my dad is archiving through a Nak 680ZX, Phase Linear semi-parametric eq, and an Ampex ATR700 using Maxell XLI tape. I've not been able to beat that. I've also brought his cassettes to my friends who use high-end post production equipment to touch up the sound and archving to digital format. NIL. Like what another member correctly pointed out- by transferring it to mp3, you are going to lose all the nuances the cassette has so carefully preserved and Nakamichi so faithfully reproduces. Regards Bala Ganesh Nelson wrote: Sorry, I can't help with software applications - I hardly ever use CDs, let alone computers, for my music !! Gra' (die-hard analogue Luddite!) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 19 September 2005 17:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration These remarks are really helpful. Is there some software that can help to restore any audio cassette losses. I have about 500 TDK SA tapes covering the last 30years. I am planning to transfer these to mp3. It's going to be a long job so I may as well use the best stuff. I recently bought a Nakamichi Dragon which will help with the auto azymuth. I found demagnezing the heads really improved the cassette sound. At present I am using the Steinberg wavelab program on my pc for recording. Can anyone reccommend any other software. I find that if I use the equalizer button for chrome tapes on the Nak the sound is quite dull and by taking the button off it's too sharp so I am doing what I can with the wavelab program to get a natural but clear sound.... hum (I appreciate the ideal is to keep the equalizer buttons at their proper settings in accord with the type of cassette) Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration The best deck? It's horse for course, Isaac. The very best deck for replaying cassettes in good condition will be the Dragon, although other, lesser, Naks are used in studios for the same purpose as you are considering. However, if the cassette you want to copy has faded, then the Pioneer with FLEX will be a better bet as it will help restore the tonal colours of the music. Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 21 03:25:46 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:25:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Flex In-Reply-To: <001501c5be21$dd5b3ef0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <002b01c5be4b$653dc9e0$509587d9@oemcomputer> It appears from one advert I found that it is possible to import them from Japan via Amazon.co.jp. There are some English language links. I've already written to them (via one of these) to find out how much it would cost to ship it here. As yet, no reply ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 20 September 2005 21:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Flex I know this discussion of Pioneer Flex is way off-topic, but I have been intrigued by the comparisons to our trusted Nakamichi decks. The T-D7 looks like a high quality deck, but it is not being exported to the US at all. I even emailed Pioneer Japan to get a line on any possible sources, but had no reply. I was wondering if it is showing up in Europe, Australia, or anywhere else any of our forum members are located. Or.....do we have any members in Japan? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Sep 21 06:24:17 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:24:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E01BB8A9F@hqexch3.hhmi.org> References: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E01BB8A9F@hqexch3.hhmi.org> Message-ID: <4330E071.6010403@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc, Bonarigo, Marc wrote: > Does anyone other than me find it odd that folks with state of the art analog > cassette decks are recommending low-fi digital noise reduction and > equalization solutions to transferring old recordings? Even when lightly > used, digital noise reduction and digital eq noticeably affects the subtle > overtones and decays in music that Naks so faithfully replicate. I concur -- and routinely advise AGAINST digital software procs, opting instead to use high-quality analog procs -- if any processing is needed or desired. For critical work, I often make my own proc that is optimized for the specific project, which is why I do few restoration projects. Takes time to design and perfect a new proc. (Last week, I finally finished the proc I'm using for the Nakathon project.) Why own a Nakamichi if all you do is feed it sound that has had the life sucked out of it by the Nosferatu-tron (the signal processing software vampyre)? I used to have a studio motto, "Why settle for samples? Record the whole signal! Run analog!" -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Sep 21 06:37:26 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:37:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MP3 conversion to tapes and back In-Reply-To: <000001c5be24$888bf1a0$509587d9@oemcomputer> References: <000001c5be24$888bf1a0$509587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4330E386.505@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: >>You're right, and I think the best solution is to become familiar >>with live >>concert sounds, it's the only real referece we have, right? It's >>amazing how >>many people who have very good equipment have never been to a classical >>orchestra performance, or if they have, really didn't pay attention to the >>sound as well as the performance itself. > > > Indeed! It never ceases to amaze me that many hi fi enthusiasts get so very > excited by "stereo effect" and "sound staging" which frequently don't exist > in a live performance because of the acoustics of the venues and (where it > is used) the amplification. This obessession for stereo effect is beginning to carry over into live sound. For example, the SR work for the "Mama Mia!" is in surround sound. If what I was told is correct, some of the backing tracks, which are not recorded onto Naks, feed the rear channels, the pit orchestra is given a stereo FOH feed and the on-stage performers are centered mono. Mama Mia, indeed. In the 1970s, I had a live sound company. One of my setups could do stereo sound re-enforcement. No one cared. The thought was that a stereo SR meant that not every seat had the same mix and thus some audience members would miss out on some of the sound. An SR mix "HAD" to be mono. The Grateful Dead, Isao Tomita, Mannheim Steamroller, Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones had stereo SR in some venues, but they were the exceptions. Isao Tomita and Mannheim Steamroller sometimes had surround mixes for their SR! I've heard both live back then -- some truly amazing concerts, especially Isao Tomita! Yes, I often made stereo recordings of the performances live, usually to a Nakamichi 550 patched into the FOH console's stereo submixer. A mono recording wouldn't have sold. Also, I made a mono recording simultaneously onto my Ampex 602 reel-to-reel, which went to radio stations for airplay. Ironically, the mono tape was considered the more valuable of the two mixes. Sniff. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jazzao at primus.com.au Wed Sep 21 13:53:39 2005 From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:53:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Message-ID: <433149C3.4020604@primus.com.au> Hi all, My Nak was calibrated using TDK cassettes. I'd like to get some metals for some recordings that I would like to do. The problem is there are no TDK metal cassettes available in Australia. Can I use Maxell and Fuji Metals on my deck without recalibration? Would it be better that I buy TDK Chromes and use those instead of metals? I am going to London next week and I have just been able to find Maxell MX and Fuji MZ there. Does anyone know a store in London which may still have TDK MA or MAX? Thanks for your advice. Regards Alan -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 21 17:03:42 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:03:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration References: <20050921044230.25734.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c5bebd$d0689b60$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Hi All, I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some point. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Adam, My dad is in the same situation as you are, with a collection going back to about 35 years..but tapes of all types, from Hitachis to TDK-MAXG.. I have written to this group before about me trying to archive his collection to digital media. Everything from building custom pc to really good software. I also invested in Sony's top of line minidisc player (JA555ES) and Sony's W33 cd recorder. The cd recorder was fed with ceramic plated cd blanks from Emtec. Despite all these efforts, over a 4 year period, I still can't seem to beat the big stick of all reproducing equipment- the open reel. Today, my dad is archiving through a Nak 680ZX, Phase Linear semi-parametric eq, and an Ampex ATR700 using Maxell XLI tape. I've not been able to beat that. I've also brought his cassettes to my friends who use high-end post production equipment to touch up the sound and archving to digital format. NIL. Like what another member correctly pointed out- by transferring it to mp3, you are going to lose all the nuances the cassette has so carefully preserved and Nakamichi so faithfully reproduces. Regards Bala Ganesh Nelson wrote: Sorry, I can't help with software applications - I hardly ever use CDs, let alone computers, for my music !! Gra' (die-hard analogue Luddite!) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 19 September 2005 17:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration These remarks are really helpful. Is there some software that can help to restore any audio cassette losses. I have about 500 TDK SA tapes covering the last 30years. I am planning to transfer these to mp3. It's going to be a long job so I may as well use the best stuff. I recently bought a Nakamichi Dragon which will help with the auto azymuth. I found demagnezing the heads really improved the cassette sound. At present I am using the Steinberg wavelab program on my pc for recording. Can anyone reccommend any other software. I find that if I use the equalizer button for chrome tapes on the Nak the sound is quite dull and by taking the button off it's too sharp so I am doing what I can with the wavelab program to get a natural but clear sound.... hum (I appreciate the ideal is to keep the equalizer buttons at their proper settings in accord with the type of cassette) Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration The best deck? It's horse for course, Isaac. The very best deck for replaying cassettes in good condition will be the Dragon, although other, lesser, Naks are used in studios for the same purpose as you are considering. However, if the cassette you want to copy has faded, then the Pioneer with FLEX will be a better bet as it will help restore the tonal colours of the music. Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 17:53:26 2005 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Working Any Ideas Message-ID: <20050921155326.69174.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> I went to load a tape last night on my ZX-7, and the heads would not engage. All the proper lights came on; I did get 8888 on the digital read out instead of the usual 0000. It will not reset... Thanks in advance, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ktl at bornet.net Wed Sep 21 17:54:05 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:54:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service and users manuals Message-ID: I have now enabled ftp upload on my site, for you people that have the highly sought manuals avaible. www.naks.mine.nu ftp://ktl.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From rob at rhoag.com Wed Sep 21 18:13:14 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:13:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? In-Reply-To: <433149C3.4020604@primus.com.au> Message-ID: Hi, Alan: I didn't notice that you said which deck you have, but it sounds like you have one with no controls over cal. I have a ZX-7 and that's the whole advantage. I used to calibrate before I did any recording, every time, but now I'm mainly just using the machine for playback. When I was in your situation with an earlier Nak, I used to just stick pretty much to the TDK brand tapes and Maxel. The results seemed very good to me. Your Nak manual should list tapes they feel are compatible with your machine. I just did a test on my ZX7: I adjusted the record head, levels and bias for a TDKMAX metal tape, then I put a Maxel MX metal tape in and ran the calibration again. I had to adjust the record head alignment slightly. The levels adjustment had to be adjusted up about 2db, and the bias adjustment had to be adjusted up about 3db. I next tried it with a Sony metal ES tape. The record head had to again be adjusted. The levels were about 2db higher then the TDKMAX and the bias was the same as the TDK. so maybe your best bet would be to go with Sony metal tapes, if you can't get the TDK Of course, if you want to really get as close as you can, you will have to have someone adjust the levels and bias to what ever you decide you can get and will be using for metal. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alan Olan Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:54 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Hi all, My Nak was calibrated using TDK cassettes. I'd like to get some metals for some recordings that I would like to do. The problem is there are no TDK metal cassettes available in Australia. Can I use Maxell and Fuji Metals on my deck without recalibration? Would it be better that I buy TDK Chromes and use those instead of metals? I am going to London next week and I have just been able to find Maxell MX and Fuji MZ there. Does anyone know a store in London which may still have TDK MA or MAX? Thanks for your advice. Regards Alan -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Sep 21 19:01:15 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:01:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Flex Message-ID: <200509211301_MC3-1-AA91-48FE@compuserve.com> Hi Robert, I did not use it, but some time ago I found www.japan-direct.com on the net. T-D7 is not there, but they have Sony TC-KA7ES for (only) $1294 in their list. This is the Japan only top of the line Sony deck. Maybe they can get the Pioneer for you as well. _Fuad >Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:25:46 +0100 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Flex To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002b01c5be4b$653dc9e0$509587d9 at oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It appears from one advert I found that it is possible to import them from Japan via Amazon.co.jp. There are some English language links. I've already written to them (via one of these) to find out how much it would cost to ship it here. As yet, no reply ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: 20 September 2005 21:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Flex I know this discussion of Pioneer Flex is way off-topic, but I have been intrigued by the comparisons to our trusted Nakamichi decks. The T-D7 looks like a high quality deck, but it is not being exported to the US at all. I even emailed Pioneer Japan to get a line on any possible sources, but had no reply. I was wondering if it is showing up in Europe, Australia, or anywhere else any of our forum members are located. Or.....do we have any members in Japan? Robert Kent< From rob at rhoag.com Wed Sep 21 21:42:01 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:42:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <00ff01c5bebd$d0689b60$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Message-ID: Adam: I agree, about the digital preservation issue. I've had cassettes go bad and had a pretty hard time trying to get them to work in new shells, but the tape itself can also go bad, and will. As I said earlier, I've been slowly getting my several hundred cassettes over to digital format where they can then be archived to external hard drives as waves, while I can also make music CD's, long playing MP3 CD's etc. Once they are in digital it's really fun because they can be arranged so easily into different play lists, burning/ripping lists, etc. But CD's are not permanent either, and quality is as important on these as it was on choosing top quality cassettes years ago, like the TDK SA, etc. For CD music I use the top rated Taiyo Yuden myself. Not sure if I agree with you on the open real preservation though... I'm currently transferring about 50 7" real to real art interviews that were done in the mid 60's. They were done on one of the best tape types at the time, Scotch silicon coated acetate and polyester tape types, and some mylar, but I have to clean the heads with each tape change... they are all definitely shedding, and the next step will be complete delaminating. They are only speech recording, if they had been music, they probably wouldn't be salvageable. Some I am already hearing some bad areas. And these were kept indoors in one of the mildest climates of the United States, here on the coast of California. they probably would not have survived this long if they had been in a humid, hot, location. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi All, I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some point. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Adam, My dad is in the same situation as you are, with a collection going back to about 35 years..but tapes of all types, from Hitachis to TDK-MAXG.. I have written to this group before about me trying to archive his collection to digital media. Everything from building custom pc to really good software. I also invested in Sony's top of line minidisc player (JA555ES) and Sony's W33 cd recorder. The cd recorder was fed with ceramic plated cd blanks from Emtec. Despite all these efforts, over a 4 year period, I still can't seem to beat the big stick of all reproducing equipment- the open reel. Today, my dad is archiving through a Nak 680ZX, Phase Linear semi-parametric eq, and an Ampex ATR700 using Maxell XLI tape. I've not been able to beat that. I've also brought his cassettes to my friends who use high-end post production equipment to touch up the sound and archving to digital format. NIL. Like what another member correctly pointed out- by transferring it to mp3, you are going to lose all the nuances the cassette has so carefully preserved and Nakamichi so faithfully reproduces. Regards Bala Ganesh Nelson wrote: Sorry, I can't help with software applications - I hardly ever use CDs, let alone computers, for my music !! Gra' (die-hard analogue Luddite!) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 19 September 2005 17:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration These remarks are really helpful. Is there some software that can help to restore any audio cassette losses. I have about 500 TDK SA tapes covering the last 30years. I am planning to transfer these to mp3. It's going to be a long job so I may as well use the best stuff. I recently bought a Nakamichi Dragon which will help with the auto azymuth. I found demagnezing the heads really improved the cassette sound. At present I am using the Steinberg wavelab program on my pc for recording. Can anyone reccommend any other software. I find that if I use the equalizer button for chrome tapes on the Nak the sound is quite dull and by taking the button off it's too sharp so I am doing what I can with the wavelab program to get a natural but clear sound.... hum (I appreciate the ideal is to keep the equalizer buttons at their proper settings in accord with the type of cassette) Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration The best deck? It's horse for course, Isaac. The very best deck for replaying cassettes in good condition will be the Dragon, although other, lesser, Naks are used in studios for the same purpose as you are considering. However, if the cassette you want to copy has faded, then the Pioneer with FLEX will be a better bet as it will help restore the tonal colours of the music. Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 21 22:21:40 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:21:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <00ff01c5bebd$d0689b60$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Message-ID: <001401c5beea$137cd520$d7a087d9@oemcomputer> Hi Adam The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very likely ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi All, I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some point. Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Wed Sep 21 23:11:12 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:11:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Message-ID: "One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very likely ...)" We can always use the crank up kind of record players. ;<) Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ega95jch at yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 23:36:31 2005 From: ega95jch at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E Message-ID: <20050921213631.15508.qmail@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of you could tell me anything about it? Hoping you can help. Cheers, John ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From KRUSTY65 at prodigy.net Thu Sep 22 02:03:15 2005 From: KRUSTY65 at prodigy.net (krusty65) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:03:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Working Any Ideas Message-ID: Hey John, I had this same problem years ago. Everything lit up but the head ass'y just sat there. Remove the cover of your ZX-7 and see if the drive belt has popped off. There will be no belt on top of the capstan flywheel. If it has popped off, you can reinstall it for immediate use, but it's worn, it NEEDS to be replaced. It'll just pop-off again. Hope this helps. Krusty From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 03:13:22 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <001401c5beea$137cd520$d7a087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050922011322.7980.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, I fully agree with you. Both my personal observations and journal reports say that mass-market CDRs will last between 3 to 5 years. This is due to the recording surface, which is in the form of a thin film, being bonded to a clear plastic disc. My original Made in Japan Sony blanks have all shed their data layer. My dad's 7" Memorex spools made in 1973 still play flawlessly on my X1000R as they did 33 years ago on his Akai 1710. No incompatible codec, bit difference and software isssues. Being more on topic, even his cassettes recorded on his Akai GX-45 deck play beautifully on the Nak 680ZX. Even for my age, I am not impressed by the latest generation of mobile phones or gadgets bursting with features, graphics and how they break into a song and dance everytime you get a call. As an engineer, I am impressed how tapes and decks have kept on doing the same thing with stunning results even after almost 30 years, showing no signs of obsolence or slowing down. Showing that they still have mileage, that they can still be trusted to guard your musical treasures. Bala (26 years of age and prefers a Nak 600 to a ipod mini) Nelson wrote: Hi Adam The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very likely ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi All, I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some point. Adam ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 22 04:50:07 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:50:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <001401c5beea$137cd520$d7a087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Nelson: Actually, they do know that it will, but the problem is it depends on the quality of the CD medium being used, and how they are handled. Cassettes and other tape medium are very fragile, vulnerable, not only to magnetic fields, but to humidity and heat. CD's are much more rugged, though heat and sunlight are still a problem, and scratches and even finger prints can make them unuseable. Even press on labels can over time pull the metal oxide off ruining a disk, but DVD's are safer from this. Recording of CD's should be done on the best quality available, such as Tatyo Yuden, and it should be done at slower record speeds, like 4x, not at the max record speed availavle for the CD write unit. I've heard some people suggest keeping an archive copy of CD's not using them, and duplicating them about every 5 years for longevity, this seems very safe and would be easy to do, unlike cassettes and real to real tapes that can only be accurately duplicated in real time. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Adam The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very likely ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi All, I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some point. Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktl at bornet.net Thu Sep 22 11:43:08 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:43:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service and users manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The following manuals have been added: Users Manual for Dragon. Service Manual for RX 505. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Service and users manuals > > > I have now enabled ftp upload on my site, for you people that > have the highly sought manuals avaible. > > www.naks.mine.nu > ftp://ktl.mine.nu > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 12:31:49 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:31:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Message-ID: Dear Bala! What happen to your acquired Dragon? works...or to your collection??? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Graham, > > I fully agree with you. Both my personal observations and >journal reports say that mass-market CDRs will last between 3 to 5 years. >This is due to the recording surface, which is in the form of a thin film, >being bonded to a clear plastic disc. My original Made in Japan Sony blanks >have all shed their data layer. My dad's 7" Memorex spools made in 1973 >still play flawlessly on my X1000R as they did 33 years ago on his Akai >1710. No incompatible codec, bit difference and software isssues. > >Being more on topic, even his cassettes recorded on his Akai GX-45 deck >play beautifully on the Nak 680ZX. Even for my age, I am not impressed by >the latest generation of mobile phones or gadgets bursting with features, >graphics and how they break into a song and dance everytime you get a call. >As an engineer, I am impressed how tapes and decks have kept on doing the >same thing with stunning results even after almost 30 years, showing no >signs of obsolence or slowing down. Showing that they still have mileage, >that they can still be trusted to guard your musical treasures. > >Bala >(26 years of age and prefers a Nak 600 to a ipod mini) > >Nelson wrote: >Hi Adam > >The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the >media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. >Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the >population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep >making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. >may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with >cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of >the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the >future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche >market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts >for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply >of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very >likely ...) > >Gra' >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Adam Falcrest >Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > >Hi All, > >I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak >but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be >the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the >advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a >compact format that can be played just about anywhere. > >In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for >the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an >unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have >to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some >point. > >Adam > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 12:35:35 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:35:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E Message-ID: Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: John Hubbard >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) > >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >you could tell me anything about it? > >Hoping you can help. > >Cheers, >John > > > >___________________________________________________________ >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 12:56:03 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:56:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer T-D7 deck Message-ID: <518b7b105092203561612de16@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the off-topic, will keep it short. This is what I received from Pioneer GB when I inquired about the T-D7 : "Almost all the Pioneer products sold in Japan are for the Japanese market only, Pioneer Europe and Pioneer GB can not supply, support or advise a user regarding a Japanese only product. Japanese only products can not be imported into Europe by Pioneer due to the fact that the products have not been submitted to, and passed, the European product safety tests. Regards. Customer Relations PIONEER GB LIMITED" I guess this is why Pioneer Japan are not responding to queries from the US, etc. So amazon.co.jp or a friend in Japan seem to be the only solutions at present, since Pioneer will not sell to other markets (officially). George From ega95jch at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 13:36:56 2005 From: ega95jch at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:36:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050922113656.76876.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Yes, I know there's no such thing as a free lunch! Happily, not only does it work, it sounds as good as my CD player! No manual, so I just wondered if anyone could tell me something about it - approximate age, where it fitted in the Nak range, that sort of thing. All the best, John --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's > cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: John Hubbard > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) > > > >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap > >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the > >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with > >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. > > > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of > >you could tell me anything about it? > > > >Hoping you can help. > > > >Cheers, > >John > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Thu Sep 22 13:59:51 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:59:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E In-Reply-To: <20050921213631.15508.qmail@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050921213631.15508.qmail@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050922075045.026fb5f8@pop.videotron.ca> Hi John, Congratulations on your purchase. CR-1E is a fine little deck. Anything you might read about the CR-1 or CR-1A would apply to CR-1E. E just stands for Europe, A for America... this being essentially related to the operating voltage of the unit. It is a basic two-head deck with Dolby B & C and not much else but it will still give 20-20K frequency response and low wow & flutter. It also incorporates "gear drive", an upgrade that was available for older models that makes the unit virtually maintenance free for many years. Keep heads, capstan and pinch roller clean and it should give you many years of enjoyment. Cheers, -Marc At 17:36 09/21/2005, you wrote: >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >you could tell me anything about it? > >Hoping you can help. > >Cheers, >John > > > >___________________________________________________________ >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzao at primus.com.au Thu Sep 22 14:12:06 2005 From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:12:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Message-ID: <43329F96.90207@primus.com.au> Hi Doane, Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so wasn't sure. I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. Cheers Regards Alan -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 14:23:49 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050922122349.45235.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: 1.700ZXL 2.1000ZXL 3.CR7. I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: 1. 700ZXL 2.CR7 3.680ZX 4. Dragon Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Bala! What happen to your acquired Dragon? works...or to your collection??? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Graham, > > I fully agree with you. Both my personal observations and >journal reports say that mass-market CDRs will last between 3 to 5 years. >This is due to the recording surface, which is in the form of a thin film, >being bonded to a clear plastic disc. My original Made in Japan Sony blanks >have all shed their data layer. My dad's 7" Memorex spools made in 1973 >still play flawlessly on my X1000R as they did 33 years ago on his Akai >1710. No incompatible codec, bit difference and software isssues. > >Being more on topic, even his cassettes recorded on his Akai GX-45 deck >play beautifully on the Nak 680ZX. Even for my age, I am not impressed by >the latest generation of mobile phones or gadgets bursting with features, >graphics and how they break into a song and dance everytime you get a call. >As an engineer, I am impressed how tapes and decks have kept on doing the >same thing with stunning results even after almost 30 years, showing no >signs of obsolence or slowing down. Showing that they still have mileage, >that they can still be trusted to guard your musical treasures. > >Bala >(26 years of age and prefers a Nak 600 to a ipod mini) > >Nelson wrote: >Hi Adam > >The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the >media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. >Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the >population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep >making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. >may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with >cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of >the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the >future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche >market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts >for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply >of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very >likely ...) > >Gra' >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of Adam Falcrest >Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > >Hi All, > >I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak >but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be >the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the >advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a >compact format that can be played just about anywhere. > >In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for >the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an >unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have >to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some >point. > >Adam > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Thu Sep 22 15:15:12 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:15:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E In-Reply-To: <20050922113656.76876.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050922113656.76876.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050922085825.029f3408@pop.videotron.ca> John, to supplement my previous message, CR-1 was available in the late 80s. It was the entry level model in am extensive line up which, at the time, included eight more models: CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, CR-7, RX-202, RX-505 and Dragon. It is pretty much in the same category as BX-125, BX-150, Cassette Deck 2, DR-3 and DR-8. It is almost the same as CR-2 which had several more features such as a digital counter, output level and a back connector for remote control which, except for bias fine tune, did not make it a better sounding deck than CR-1, just a little more convenient. Regards, -Marc. At 07:36 09/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi Alex, > >Yes, I know there's no such thing as a free lunch! Happily, not only >does it work, it sounds as good as my CD player! > >No manual, so I just wondered if anyone could tell me something about >it - approximate age, where it fitted in the Nak range, that sort of >thing. > >All the best, >John > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's > > cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: John Hubbard > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E > > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) > > > > > >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap > > >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the > > >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with > > >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. > > > > > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of > > >you could tell me anything about it? > > > > > >Hoping you can help. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > > >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new >Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 22 15:32:42 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:32:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? In-Reply-To: <43329F96.90207@primus.com.au> Message-ID: <000c01c5bf7a$1bef2560$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> Hi Alan I'd certainly give some tapes other than TDK a go. The most "recently" made European TDKs, esp. SA and SA-X, are most certainly not up to the high standards of their Japanese made counterparts. I too have a ZX-9 and find, for example, that I have to re-set the azimuth when I turn over the TDK cassettes. I NEVER have to do that with a BASF tape, for example, because the shells are much more precisely made. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alan Olan > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > Hi Doane, > > Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto > calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the > Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good > results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. > > I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so > wasn't sure. I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. > > Cheers > Regards > Alan > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 22 15:32:44 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:32:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <20050922122349.45235.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5bf7a$1d2e0e00$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Alex, Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: 1.700ZXL 2.1000ZXL 3.CR7. I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: 1. 700ZXL 2.CR7 3.680ZX 4. Dragon Bala here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 15:41:15 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <000d01c5bf7a$1d2e0e00$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20050922134115.64944.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ah, there's a simple explanation! Its being punished for having a misbehaving control circuit. However, the playback board for both the 700ZXL and 1000ZXL are the same. The 700ZXL uses a much simpler ABLE computer and has a smaller power supply. Also, the LED bargraph display doesn;t invoke much excitement. Bala --- Nelson wrote: > Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in > the top four. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > > Hi Alex, > > Here I better break the news to the group. > After my Dragon, I got a Nak > 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more > new decks to my > collection: > > 1.700ZXL > 2.1000ZXL > 3.CR7. > > I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and > 680ZX side by side. I > will soon post a detailed review on the tests. > However, in summary, here is > the ranking: > > 1. 700ZXL > 2.CR7 > 3.680ZX > 4. Dragon > > > Bala > > > here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 15:49:02 2005 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:49:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <000d01c5bf7a$1d2e0e00$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> References: <20050922122349.45235.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000d01c5bf7a$1d2e0e00$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <518b7b105092206492de80f1a@mail.gmail.com> Gra', It wasn't in the audition, mate... George On 9/22/05, Nelson wrote: > Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > Hi Alex, > > Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak > 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my > collection: > > 1.700ZXL > 2.1000ZXL > 3.CR7. > > I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will > soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the > ranking: > > 1. 700ZXL > 2.CR7 > 3.680ZX > 4. Dragon > > > Bala > > > here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Sep 22 17:12:09 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:12:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050922075045.026fb5f8@pop.videotron.ca> References: <20050921213631.15508.qmail@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050922075045.026fb5f8@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050922111047.01b22a68@psulias.psu.edu> I used to have a CR-2, which is very similar to the CR-1. Rugged deck with very good play and record capabilities. Nothing fancy, but it sounds good and looks good. For $50 it's a good purchase. Most of the lower end Naks are steals for the price. At 07:59 AM 9/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi John, > >Congratulations on your purchase. CR-1E is a fine little deck. Anything >you might read about the CR-1 or CR-1A would apply to CR-1E. E just stands >for Europe, A for America... this being essentially related to the >operating voltage of the unit. > >It is a basic two-head deck with Dolby B & C and not much else but it will >still give 20-20K frequency response and low wow & flutter. It also >incorporates "gear drive", an upgrade that was available for older models >that makes the unit virtually maintenance free for many years. Keep heads, >capstan and pinch roller clean and it should give you many years of enjoyment. > >Cheers, > >-Marc > > > >At 17:36 09/21/2005, you wrote: >>Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >>second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >>equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >>it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. >> >>I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >>you could tell me anything about it? >> >>Hoping you can help. >> >>Cheers, >>John >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________ >>How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >>snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From sdar120 at netscape.net Thu Sep 22 17:13:25 2005 From: sdar120 at netscape.net (sdar120 at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:13:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29 Message-ID: <75A325E6.6BC9A40F.00215A2D@netscape.net> Hello: I have read some articles on the naktalk forum comparing digital to analogue formats. I, for one, prefer to continue to use cassettes to do my music recording. I deem it unacceptable that the major tape manufacturers do not make metal tapes these days. Fortunatly, one can still buy Normal Bias and CrO2 cassettes. Even if I were to buy a CD recorder, it will never replace the cassette deck or open reel for that matter. I am sure that all of my fellow audiophiles on this forum would agree that the companies (such as Maxell, TDK, Denon, and Sony) should resume production of the metal tapes. The digital formats may loose some of the music through the cracks (bits). I would propose some sort of petition to get the manufacturers mentioned above to resume making of metal tapes. I am certain that many jazz artists would also agree. They would sell well these days. Steve D. naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >    naktalk at naks.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >    naktalk-request at naks.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at >    naktalk-owner at naks.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > >Naktalk digest mailing list > > >Today's Topics: > >   1. RE: Service and users manuals (Tomas Larsson) >   2. RE: Audio Restoration (Alex Cozac) >   3. RE: CR-1E (Alex Cozac) >   4. Pioneer T-D7 deck (george valkov) >   5. RE: CR-1E (John Hubbard) >   6. Re: CR-1E (Marc Denis) >   7. Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? (Alan Olan) >   8. RE: Audio Restoration (Bala Ganesh Chandra) >   9. RE: CR-1E (Marc Denis) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:43:08 +0200 >From: "Tomas Larsson" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Service and users manuals >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: >     >     >Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="US-ASCII" > >The following manuals have been added: >Users Manual for Dragon. >Service Manual for RX 505. > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:54 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Service and users manuals >> >> >> I have now enabled ftp upload on my site, for you people that >> have the highly sought manuals avaible. >> >> www.naks.mine.nu >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >>           Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:31:49 +0000 >From: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Dear Bala! > >What happen to your acquired Dragon? works...or to your collection??? > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Hi Graham, >> >>              I fully agree with you. Both my personal observations and >>journal reports say that mass-market CDRs will last between 3 to 5 years. >>This is due to the recording surface, which is in the form of a thin film, >>being bonded to a clear plastic disc. My original Made in Japan Sony blanks >>have all shed their data layer. My dad's 7" Memorex spools made in 1973 >>still play flawlessly on my X1000R as they did 33 years ago on his Akai >>1710. No incompatible codec, bit difference and software isssues. >> >>Being more on topic, even his cassettes recorded on his Akai GX-45 deck >>play beautifully on the Nak 680ZX. Even for my age, I am not impressed by >>the latest generation of mobile phones or gadgets bursting with features, >>graphics and how they break into a song and dance everytime you get a call. >>As an engineer, I am impressed how tapes and decks have kept on doing the >>same thing with stunning results even after almost 30 years, showing no >>signs of obsolence or slowing down. Showing that they still have mileage, >>that they can still be trusted to guard your musical treasures. >> >>Bala >>(26 years of age and prefers a Nak 600 to a ipod mini) >> >>Nelson wrote: >>Hi Adam >> >>The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the >>media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette.   >>Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the >>population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep >>making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. >>may be Pioneer?  Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with >>cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of >>the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the >>future.  One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche >>market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts >>for ages!   (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply >>of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very >>likely ...) >> >>Gra' >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >>Of Adam Falcrest >>Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >> >> >>Hi All, >> >>I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak >>but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be >>the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the >>advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a >>compact format that can be played just about anywhere. >> >>In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for >>the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an >>unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have >>to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some >>point. >> >>Adam >>   >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! for Good >>  Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:35:35 +0000 >From: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-1E >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's >cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! > >Good Luck! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: John Hubbard >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E >>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) >> >>Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >>second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >>equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >>it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. >> >>I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >>you  could tell me anything about it? >> >>Hoping you can help. >> >>Cheers, >>John >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________ >>How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >>snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:56:03 +0100 >From: george valkov >Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer T-D7 deck >To: Naktalk >Message-ID: <518b7b105092203561612de16 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Sorry for the off-topic, will keep it short. > >This is what I received from Pioneer GB when I inquired about the T-D7 : > >"Almost all the Pioneer products sold in Japan are for the Japanese >market only, Pioneer Europe and Pioneer GB can not supply, support or >advise a user regarding a Japanese only product. > >Japanese only products can not be imported into Europe by Pioneer due >to the fact that the products have not been submitted to, and passed, >the European product safety tests. > >Regards. >Customer Relations >PIONEER GB LIMITED" > >I guess this is why Pioneer Japan are not responding to queries from >the US, etc. So amazon.co.jp or a friend in Japan seem to be the only >solutions at present, since Pioneer will not sell to other markets >(officially). > >George > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:36:56 +0100 (BST) >From: John Hubbard >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-1E >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <20050922113656.76876.qmail at web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi Alex, > >Yes, I know there's no such thing as a free lunch! Happily, not only >does it work, it sounds as good as my CD player! > >No manual, so I just wondered if anyone could tell me something about >it - approximate age, where it fitted in the Nak range, that sort of >thing. > >All the best, >John > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > >> Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's >> cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! >> >> Good Luck! >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: John Hubbard >> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E >> >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) >> > >> >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >> >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >> >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >> >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. >> > >> >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >> >you  could tell me anything about it? >> > >> >Hoping you can help. >> > >> >Cheers, >> >John >> > >> > >> > >> >___________________________________________________________ >> >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >> >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > >         >___________________________________________________________ >To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:59:51 -0400 >From: Marc Denis >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-1E >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050922075045.026fb5f8 at pop.videotron.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Hi John, > >Congratulations on your purchase. CR-1E is a fine little deck. Anything you >might read about the CR-1 or CR-1A would apply to CR-1E. E just stands for >Europe, A for America... this being essentially related to the operating >voltage of the unit. > >It is a basic two-head deck with Dolby B & C and not much else but it will >still give 20-20K frequency response and low wow & flutter. It also >incorporates "gear drive", an upgrade that was available for older models >that makes the unit virtually maintenance free for many years. Keep heads, >capstan and pinch roller clean and it should give you many years of enjoyment. > >Cheers, > >-Marc > > > >At 17:36 09/21/2005, you wrote: >>Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >>second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >>equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >>it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. >> >>I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >>you  could tell me anything about it? >> >>Hoping you can help. >> >>Cheers, >>John >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________ >>How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >>snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:12:06 +1000 >From: Alan Olan >Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <43329F96.90207 at primus.com.au> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi Doane, > >Thanks for your reply.  I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9.  The 700ZXE auto >calibrates.  From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the >Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good >results.  I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. > >I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so >wasn't sure.  I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. > >Cheers >Regards >Alan > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <20050922122349.45235.qmail at web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Alex, > >   Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: > >1.700ZXL >2.1000ZXL >3.CR7. > >I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: > >1. 700ZXL >2.CR7 >3.680ZX >4. Dragon > > >Bala >         > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >What happen to your acquired Dragon? works...or to your collection??? > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Hi Graham, >> >> I fully agree with you. Both my personal observations and >>journal reports say that mass-market CDRs will last between 3 to 5 years. >>This is due to the recording surface, which is in the form of a thin film, >>being bonded to a clear plastic disc. My original Made in Japan Sony blanks >>have all shed their data layer. My dad's 7" Memorex spools made in 1973 >>still play flawlessly on my X1000R as they did 33 years ago on his Akai >>1710. No incompatible codec, bit difference and software isssues. >> >>Being more on topic, even his cassettes recorded on his Akai GX-45 deck >>play beautifully on the Nak 680ZX. Even for my age, I am not impressed by >>the latest generation of mobile phones or gadgets bursting with features, >>graphics and how they break into a song and dance everytime you get a call. >>As an engineer, I am impressed how tapes and decks have kept on doing the >>same thing with stunning results even after almost 30 years, showing no >>signs of obsolence or slowing down. Showing that they still have mileage, >>that they can still be trusted to guard your musical treasures. >> >>Bala >>(26 years of age and prefers a Nak 600 to a ipod mini) >> >>Nelson wrote: >>Hi Adam >> >>The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if the >>media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. >>Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the >>population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will keep >>making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. >>may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with >>cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs of >>the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the >>future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche >>market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff lasts >>for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply >>of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very >>likely ...) >> >>Gra' >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >>Of Adam Falcrest >>Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >> >> >>Hi All, >> >>I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak >>but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would be >>the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the >>advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into a >>compact format that can be played just about anywhere. >> >>In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go for >>the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an >>unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I have >>to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at some >>point. >> >>Adam >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! for Good >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >         >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20050922/0dfcdca6/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:15:12 -0400 >From: Marc Denis >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-1E >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050922085825.029f3408 at pop.videotron.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >John, > >to supplement my previous message, CR-1 was available in the late 80s. It >was the entry level model in am extensive line up which, at the time, >included eight more models: CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, CR-7, RX-202, RX-505 >and Dragon. It is pretty much in the same category as BX-125, BX-150, >Cassette Deck 2, DR-3 and DR-8. It is almost the same as CR-2 which had >several more features such as a digital counter, output level and a back >connector for remote control which, except for bias fine tune, did not make >it a better sounding deck than CR-1, just a little more convenient. > >Regards, > >-Marc. > > >At 07:36 09/22/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Alex, >> >>Yes, I know there's no such thing as a free lunch! Happily, not only >>does it work, it sounds as good as my CD player! >> >>No manual, so I just wondered if anyone could tell me something about >>it - approximate age, where it fitted in the Nak range, that sort of >>thing. >> >>All the best, >>John >> >>--- Alex Cozac wrote: >> >> > Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's >> > cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! >> > >> > Good Luck! >> > >> > ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: John Hubbard >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E >> > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) >> > > >> > >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap >> > >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the >> > >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with >> > >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. >> > > >> > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of >> > >you  could tell me anything about it? >> > > >> > >Hoping you can help. >> > > >> > >Cheers, >> > >John >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >___________________________________________________________ >> > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >> > >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! 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As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 22 17:53:45 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:53:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? In-Reply-To: <43329F96.90207@primus.com.au> Message-ID: Alan: I'm not familiar with the 700ZXE, but the ZX-9 is basically the same as my ZX-7, so you are in great shape to use just about any tape manufacture you want, as long as you do the azmuth, levels and bias before each recording session, and I always perform them about half way into the tape, on each side. Just stick to the best, name brand and you should be fine. I always used mainly TDK, but also used Maxell, then I discovered the Sony line was excellent and stated using thier chrome and metal tapes. Sony's UX-Pro type II chrome I was very impressed with, it used a rigid ceramic guide assembly and had very high output. I don't know what is available today as I haven't bought cassettes in years and am still using a supply I've had of the Sony's, and TDK's when I occasionally do a recording. Maybe some others here have some suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alan Olan Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Hi Doane, Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so wasn't sure. I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. Cheers Regards Alan -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date: 15/06/2005 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From j.doupe at btinternet.com Thu Sep 22 18:01:25 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration References: <000d01c5bf7a$1d2e0e00$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002401c5bf8e$e3d0cb60$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Hi Bala and Gra, After reading this message thread, I'm quite interested my self about the results. Could you explain whether these test results are for playback or recording, or both and then averaged out. Also you seem to put the ZXL range above the CR range, ie 700ZXL above the CR7, could you explain what is so special about the ZXL range that puts them above the CR7, as I have always been lead to believe that the Dragon was the top of the castle, untill the CR7 came along and for recording it gave superior results. What I find really confusing though is you have put the 700ZXL above the 1000ZXL ???????? What's goin on ere :-o ??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Alex, Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: 1.700ZXL 2.1000ZXL 3.CR7. I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: 1. 700ZXL 2.CR7 3.680ZX 4. Dragon Bala here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 22 18:03:43 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:03:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? In-Reply-To: <000c01c5bf7a$1bef2560$d7b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Nelson: I have an older supply of TDK and Sony UX-Pro (I really like them) Sad to hear if TDK is slipping on thier quality. Do you know if they still sell the Nakamichi brand, they seemed to be the best, with very high quality control, though they were expen$ive. I did find, in my experience, the brand to stay away from was Memorex... really inferior quality and reliability, at least back in the 80's. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Hi Alan I'd certainly give some tapes other than TDK a go. The most "recently" made European TDKs, esp. SA and SA-X, are most certainly not up to the high standards of their Japanese made counterparts. I too have a ZX-9 and find, for example, that I have to re-set the azimuth when I turn over the TDK cassettes. I NEVER have to do that with a BASF tape, for example, because the shells are much more precisely made. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alan Olan > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > Hi Doane, > > Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto > calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the > Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good > results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. > > I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so > wasn't sure. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 21:01:47 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration - Sonics of Naks In-Reply-To: <002401c5bf8e$e3d0cb60$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <20050922190147.83414.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Even between two CR 7 , one might prefer one over the other due entirely to the conditions of used Naks today. I happen to hear atleast 3 dozen Naks in past two years in US - (atleast 4 Dragons and 5 CR7A's as well as multiple ZX9/7 and 670. Also I have worked on atleast four BX300's and seven CR3A 's and three CR4A's. I also happend to hear one 700ZXE and ofcourse aligned it. I never found any two naks of even same model matching in quality among these. However I noticed one Mint Dragon, Stephen Sank's CR7A and Robert kent' 670ZX were extraordinarily good to hear. Dragon and CR7A both were in very good shape ineternally. Generally I find 670 all ZX plays so well - I suspect the play circuit could be the ( along with Dolby Chip and circuit) reason. I will not be surprised by anybody selecting any model Nak ( three head ) over the other considering these decks were used and may need even some component replacement. However - both 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL should be better than any other Nak provided they have been well maintained because of the tight specifications. Both should have 25Khz bandwidth ( record replay) at + or - 3 dB while all others 20 to 21 Khz at this tolerance. But if you were to play a tape recorded out of their own - Dragon should sound better than many in play back. kannan Jonathan Doupe wrote: Hi Bala and Gra, After reading this message thread, I'm quite interested my self about the results. Could you explain whether these test results are for playback or recording, or both and then averaged out. Also you seem to put the ZXL range above the CR range, ie 700ZXL above the CR7, could you explain what is so special about the ZXL range that puts them above the CR7, as I have always been lead to believe that the Dragon was the top of the castle, untill the CR7 came along and for recording it gave superior results. What I find really confusing though is you have put the 700ZXL above the 1000ZXL ???????? What's goin on ere :-o ??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Alex, Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: 1.700ZXL 2.1000ZXL 3.CR7. I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: 1. 700ZXL 2.CR7 3.680ZX 4. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 22 19:58:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:58:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <518b7b105092206492de80f1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01c5bf9f$4b569d40$15b087d9@oemcomputer> Duh .... If I only had a brain ... G > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: 22 September 2005 14:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > > Gra', > > It wasn't in the audition, mate... > > George > > On 9/22/05, Nelson wrote: > > Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. > > > > Gra' > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 22 19:58:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:58:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <75A325E6.6BC9A40F.00215A2D@netscape.net> Message-ID: <000f01c5bf9f$4dd2e7e0$15b087d9@oemcomputer> Well, Steve, if anyone started such a petition I'd put my name to it, However, I believe it would be shredded on arrival for two reasons: 1 The arrival of competing new technology has killed off cassette sales such that manufacturing them is barely, if at all, economically viable. 2 The hardware manufacturers don't want us to use cassette tapes anyway - they want us to ditch the "old" technology and spend $$s/££s on buying their "successors" MD, CD/R, DVD/R, etc' and whatever else comes along to replace them. Manufacturers no longer take pride in building something that will last for 20 years because they probably want it to break in less than 5, or at least just after the warranty expires ... Regrettably, this is the World in which we live ... for the moment. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of sdar120 at netscape.net > Sent: 22 September 2005 16:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29 > > > Hello: > > I have read some articles on the naktalk forum comparing digital > to analogue formats. I, for one, prefer to continue to use > cassettes to do my music recording. I deem it unacceptable that > the major tape manufacturers do not make metal tapes these days. > Fortunatly, one can still buy Normal Bias and CrO2 cassettes. > Even if I were to buy a CD recorder, it will never replace the > cassette deck or open reel for that matter. > > I am sure that all of my fellow audiophiles on this forum would > agree that the companies (such as Maxell, TDK, Denon, and Sony) > should resume production of the metal tapes. The digital formats > may loose some of the music through the cracks (bits). I would > propose some sort of petition to get the manufacturers mentioned > above to resume making of metal tapes. > > I am certain that many jazz artists would also agree. They would > sell well these days. > > Steve D. > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 22 19:59:02 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:59:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c5bf9f$51003300$15b087d9@oemcomputer> Hi Doane No, the Nakamichi brand of TDK tapes is long out of production. Unused tapes occasionally turn up on eBay and sell for whacking high prices and probably more than they cost when new! They are at a premium BECAUSE they are Nakamichi branded. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 22 September 2005 17:04 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > > Hi, Nelson: > > I have an older supply of TDK and Sony UX-Pro (I really like them) Sad to > hear if TDK is slipping on thier quality. Do you know if they > still sell the > Nakamichi brand, they seemed to be the best, with very high > quality control, > though they were expen$ive. I did find, in my experience, the > brand to stay > away from was Memorex... really inferior quality and reliability, at least > back in the 80's. > > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Sep 22 20:44:46 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:44:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <00ff01c5bebd$d0689b60$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> References: <20050921044230.25734.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ff01c5bebd$d0689b60$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Message-ID: <4332FB9E.7030201@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Adam, Nothing is wrong with using a digital medium for copies. But if you want to preserve the life and subtlety of the music, minimize or avoid signal processing done in the digital domain. Do all your processing analog, then make the final copy digital; you'll be fine. A Nak cassette makes a good intermaster. This is not only realistic, but the way many pros approach thing. Adam Falcrest wrote: > Hi All, > > I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak > but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would > be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and > the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put > into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. > > In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go > for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an > unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I > have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play > at some point. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Sep 22 21:00:10 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:00:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Metal cassette petition In-Reply-To: <75A325E6.6BC9A40F.00215A2D@netscape.net> References: <75A325E6.6BC9A40F.00215A2D@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4332FF3A.8030103@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Steve, I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly. A petition MAY garner attention but you'd need thousands of signatures for any real credibility to be given to it. I doubt that TDK or Maxell would respond regardless fo the number of signatures. The best chance of persuading a company to manufacture metal cassettes would be either Quantegy or the newly-established ATR Tape Company. By the way, I believe that digital videocassettes are metal oxide, so persuading Quantegy or the ATR Tape Company may be quite feasible, assuming that a petition could show a resonable expectation that the metal audio cassette product line would be profitable and would yield a return on investment in the short-term. I'd be happy to host an online petition on my website; I'll have to ask my webmistress how it would be implemented. Perhaps a "guest book" dedicated to a petition. sdar120 at netscape.net wrote: > Hello: > > I have read some articles on the naktalk forum comparing digital to analogue formats. I, for one, prefer to continue to use cassettes to do my music recording. I deem it unacceptable that the major tape manufacturers do not make metal tapes these days. Fortunatly, one can still buy Normal Bias and CrO2 cassettes. Even if I were to buy a CD recorder, it will never replace the cassette deck or open reel for that matter. > > I am sure that all of my fellow audiophiles on this forum would agree that the companies (such as Maxell, TDK, Denon, and Sony) should resume production of the metal tapes. The digital formats may loose some of the music through the cracks (bits). I would propose some sort of petition to get the manufacturers mentioned above to resume making of metal tapes. > > I am certain that many jazz artists would also agree. They would sell well these days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 22 21:00:24 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:00:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration In-Reply-To: <002401c5bf8e$e3d0cb60$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: And if any tests are done, are all the Naks calibrated and completely up to specs, done by one Nak tech expert so that all the test decks are on an equal footing? And do you have several listeners, who are familiar with live sound doing the listening evaluation, and are some of them younger, with better hearing then the older testers, and what are you listening to them on... etc. Lots to consider, besides just the models them selves. The most accurate test would be to have all the decks set up in an auditorium with a live quartet playing and all three decks recording, from the same mikes, then play each back in turn, comparing it to the live performance. THAT, would be interesting. :~. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Bala and Gra, After reading this message thread, I'm quite interested my self about the results. Could you explain whether these test results are for playback or recording, or both and then averaged out. Also you seem to put the ZXL range above the CR range, ie 700ZXL above the CR7, could you explain what is so special about the ZXL range that puts them above the CR7, as I have always been lead to believe that the Dragon was the top of the castle, untill the CR7 came along and for recording it gave superior results. What I find really confusing though is you have put the 700ZXL above the 1000ZXL ???????? What's goin on ere :-o ??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Alex, Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: 1.700ZXL 2.1000ZXL 3.CR7. I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: 1. 700ZXL 2.CR7 3.680ZX 4. Dragon Bala here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ega95jch at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 21:11:34 2005 From: ega95jch at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:11:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050922085825.029f3408@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20050922191134.3999.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Marc, Thanks for all this! What a star! (Thanks to Derrick as well). I thought it was at the budget end (mechanical counter, two heads), but I don't need some of the more exotic refinements. I'd really decided I'd finished with tape, but I've some scratches on one of the shelves of my rack, and I thought I'd take a chance with the Naka. Worst case scenario, if it didn't work it would at least fill the gap in the rack and impress my friends with the name! Happily, it not only works but sounds awesome! Despite its age it doesn't look to have had a huge amount of use, so I'm feeling quite chuffed at only forking out the equivalent of USD50! I've been dragging out lot of old tapes, and marvelling at how great they sound! For comparison, I've been playing the CDs I made the tapes from, and to be honest, I can't tell the difference. My old Aiwa ADF-410 never sounded this good! Thanks once again, John --- Marc Denis wrote: > John, > > to supplement my previous message, CR-1 was available in the late > 80s. It > was the entry level model in am extensive line up which, at the time, > > included eight more models: CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, CR-7, RX-202, > RX-505 > and Dragon. It is pretty much in the same category as BX-125, BX-150, > > Cassette Deck 2, DR-3 and DR-8. It is almost the same as CR-2 which > had > several more features such as a digital counter, output level and a > back > connector for remote control which, except for bias fine tune, did > not make > it a better sounding deck than CR-1, just a little more convenient. > > Regards, > > -Marc. > > > At 07:36 09/22/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Alex, > > > >Yes, I know there's no such thing as a free lunch! Happily, not only > >does it work, it sounds as good as my CD player! > > > >No manual, so I just wondered if anyone could tell me something > about > >it - approximate age, where it fitted in the Nak range, that sort of > >thing. > > > >All the best, > >John > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! > If...it's > > > cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: John Hubbard > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E > > > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > > >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap > > > >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the > > > >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong > with > > > >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on > playback. > > > > > > > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if > any of > > > >you could tell me anything about it? > > > > > > > >Hoping you can help. > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > > > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > > > >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! 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Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 21:14:18 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:14:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E Message-ID: Bravo...John...really I'm happy & proud...that you obtain an a really working machine for such low price!...Enjoy!!! ALEX! >From: John Hubbard >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-1E >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:36:56 +0100 (BST) > >Hi Alex, > >Yes, I know there's no such thing as a free lunch! Happily, not only >does it work, it sounds as good as my CD player! > >No manual, so I just wondered if anyone could tell me something about >it - approximate age, where it fitted in the Nak range, that sort of >thing. > >All the best, >John > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hello John...Please remember always..."No Free Meals"!!! If...it's > > cheap...comprehend/get the picture that maybe DON'T WORK!!! > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: John Hubbard > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E > > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:31 +0100 (BST) > > > > > >Hi, I'm John, from Sheffield, England. I was looking for a cheap > > >second-hand tape deck on eBay, and have bought a CR1-E for the > > >equivalent of $50. I thought there'd have to be something wrong with > > >it, but it's in really good condition and sounds great on playback. > > > > > >I haven't been able to find much on the web, so I wondered if any of > > >you could tell me anything about it? > > > > > >Hoping you can help. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > > >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! >Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 21:17:16 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:17:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Message-ID: Lovely Bala! Such "collection"...! Our Lord will Bless you for Ever!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Alex, > > Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak >600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my >collection: > >1.700ZXL >2.1000ZXL >3.CR7. > >I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I >will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is >the ranking: > >1. 700ZXL >2.CR7 >3.680ZX >4. Dragon > > >Bala > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Bala! > >What happen to your acquired Dragon? works...or to your collection??? > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Graham, > > > > I fully agree with you. Both my personal observations and > >journal reports say that mass-market CDRs will last between 3 to 5 years. > >This is due to the recording surface, which is in the form of a thin >film, > >being bonded to a clear plastic disc. My original Made in Japan Sony >blanks > >have all shed their data layer. My dad's 7" Memorex spools made in 1973 > >still play flawlessly on my X1000R as they did 33 years ago on his Akai > >1710. No incompatible codec, bit difference and software isssues. > > > >Being more on topic, even his cassettes recorded on his Akai GX-45 deck > >play beautifully on the Nak 680ZX. Even for my age, I am not impressed by > >the latest generation of mobile phones or gadgets bursting with features, > >graphics and how they break into a song and dance everytime you get a >call. > >As an engineer, I am impressed how tapes and decks have kept on doing the > >same thing with stunning results even after almost 30 years, showing no > >signs of obsolence or slowing down. Showing that they still have mileage, > >that they can still be trusted to guard your musical treasures. > > > >Bala > >(26 years of age and prefers a Nak 600 to a ipod mini) > > > >Nelson wrote: > >Hi Adam > > > >The problem with the digital format, however, is that we don't know if >the > >media upon which it is recorded will outlast even the humble cassette. > >Since there are still huge collections of cassette archives in the > >population, one hopes that makes with an eye on the niche market will >keep > >making small numbers of cassette machines upon which to play them - e.g. > >may be Pioneer? Otherwise, we might very well find ourselves with > >cassettes we can play for want of a cassette machine that works and CDs >of > >the same age that are unplayable on the hardware that will exist in the > >future. One thing is for sure, I believe - there will STILL be a niche > >market for record players and vinyl because the good old black stuff >lasts > >for ages! (That is, always assuming we have an on-going continuous supply > >of electricity into the distant future ... and that doesn't seem very > >likely ...) > > > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > >Of Adam Falcrest > >Sent: 21 September 2005 16:04 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > > > > > >Hi All, > > > >I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak > >but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would >be > >the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and the > >advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put into >a > >compact format that can be played just about anywhere. > > > >In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go >for > >the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an > >unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I >have > >to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play at >some > >point. > > > >Adam > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- > >Yahoo! for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 21:27:56 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:27:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Message-ID: Hi Doane! As I live in Israel, I today can get here only Fuji Z-2 90 minutes, made in Japan for $:1.00 each, which for me is extremely cheap for such "High" quality Chrome type cassette, with my lovely Dragon's calibration...,really sound "Astonishing"! Happy listening, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:03:43 -0700 > > >Hi, Nelson: > >I have an older supply of TDK and Sony UX-Pro (I really like them) Sad to >hear if TDK is slipping on thier quality. Do you know if they still sell >the >Nakamichi brand, they seemed to be the best, with very high quality >control, >though they were expen$ive. I did find, in my experience, the brand to stay >away from was Memorex... really inferior quality and reliability, at least >back in the 80's. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Nelson >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:33 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > >Hi Alan > >I'd certainly give some tapes other than TDK a go. The most "recently" >made >European TDKs, esp. SA and SA-X, are most certainly not up to the high >standards of their Japanese made counterparts. I too have a ZX-9 and find, >for example, that I have to re-set the azimuth when I turn over the TDK >cassettes. I NEVER have to do that with a BASF tape, for example, because >the shells are much more precisely made. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alan Olan > > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:12 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > > > > Hi Doane, > > > > Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto > > calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the > > Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good > > results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. > > > > I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so > > wasn't sure. I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. > > > > Cheers > > Regards > > Alan > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Thu Sep 22 21:46:56 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:46:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re; naktalk Isuue 29 Vol 31 Message-ID: "that all of my fellow audiophiles on this forum would agree that the companies (such as Maxell, TDK, Denon, and Sony) should resume production of the metal tapes. The digital formats may loose some of the music through the cracks (bits). I would propose some sort of petition to get the manufacturers mentioned above to resume making of metal tapes."..... I am not sure whether there are currently any metal tapes being manufactured.There would be some answer to this in the Naktalk archives. Many previous posts have centered on the availabilty of metal tapes.If my memeory seves me correctly, I think the general consensus was that no major manufacturer would ever resume production of the type IV's, but that it was hoped , and even anticiapted, that some specialty manufcaturer may step up a to fill a small but significant niche market by producing the great metal formula casettes.New production metal tapes would fill a void left by the erstwhile metal tape manufactureres.I believe there would be considerable success for anyone who marketed new typeIV's, judging from the ludicrous prices seen on e-bay for NOS type IV's.I dont think those prices are strictly being paid by cassetee memorobilaia collectors, but mainly as haording the last of the best available recording media. -- I'm a disaffected, hypocritical, megalomaniacal, sociopathic asshole. Deal with it. From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Sep 23 03:24:41 2005 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:24:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassettes in Nak Decks..... Message-ID: <004e01c5bfdd$93611d20$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Drop a quality made cassette into your cassette deck bay, you'll observe and hear the differences. Example, way back in 1982, when the ZX-9 was released, TDK's MA-R cassette was considered the blessed coming of the savior when placed into a good Nak deck transport. Sure, later cassettes work nicely, like Maxell's MX and MX-S cassettes. Denon's MG-X and Fuji's FR Metal. Might I suggest that some of you purchase a most recent generation Sony Super Metal Master, TDK MA-XG or MA-EX cassette, and give that the best workout in recording and playback. Report back what you experience. I haven't contributed for many months, but you can be assured that I read Naktalk on a weekly basis :-}} Reegards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:53:45 -0700 From: "Doane Hoag" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alan: I'm not familiar with the 700ZXE, but the ZX-9 is basically the same as my ZX-7, so you are in great shape to use just about any tape manufacture you want, as long as you do the azmuth, levels and bias before each recording session, and I always perform them about half way into the tape, on each side. Just stick to the best, name brand and you should be fine. I always used mainly TDK, but also used Maxell, then I discovered the Sony line was excellent and stated using thier chrome and metal tapes. Sony's UX-Pro type II chrome I was very impressed with, it used a rigid ceramic guide assembly and had very high output. I don't know what is available today as I haven't bought cassettes in years and am still using a supply I've had of the Sony's, and TDK's when I occasionally do a recording. Maybe some others here have some suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kh1 at khherrmann.de Fri Sep 23 00:20:32 2005 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:20:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Message-ID: <20050923002032.09223e9c.kh1@khherrmann.de> Hi, my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might be some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers inside? Or only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the head assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and something starts wheezing like an overstressed motor or rubber, then at half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and comes down. Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down tape play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come down the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the LEDs are back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No obvious troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional repair be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service a NAK. K.-H. From ramvem at hotmail.com Fri Sep 23 01:31:35 2005 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:31:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 In-Reply-To: <4332FF3A.8030103@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: By the way, what is the difference between FeCr & CrO2 (and which is High Bias and which is obsolete?) Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri From whgl at iland.net Fri Sep 23 03:06:10 2005 From: whgl at iland.net (Durham) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:06:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AC-Adapter for the 550, Kermit? Message-ID: Ahoy Kermit, I never heard back from you re the DIY AC/DC converter. Do you have any current ideas (pun intended - after the fact) for one? Just looked over your website, BTW. Sensational. Thank you on behalf of the numberless silently indulgent folks who have gained a great deal of understanding and perspective from it that they could scarcely have obtained at any other one place. Best to all, Don From rob at rhoag.com Fri Sep 23 03:42:50 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:42:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: I'm not familaiar with Fuji but have heard they are very good auality and am happy you found a soulution. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Hi Doane! As I live in Israel, I today can get here only Fuji Z-2 90 minutes, made in Japan for $:1.00 each, which for me is extremely cheap for such "High" quality Chrome type cassette, with my lovely Dragon's calibration...,really sound "Astonishing"! Happy listening, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:03:43 -0700 > > >Hi, Nelson: > >I have an older supply of TDK and Sony UX-Pro (I really like them) Sad to >hear if TDK is slipping on thier quality. Do you know if they still sell >the >Nakamichi brand, they seemed to be the best, with very high quality >control, >though they were expen$ive. I did find, in my experience, the brand to stay >away from was Memorex... really inferior quality and reliability, at least >back in the 80's. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Nelson >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:33 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > >Hi Alan > >I'd certainly give some tapes other than TDK a go. The most "recently" >made >European TDKs, esp. SA and SA-X, are most certainly not up to the high >standards of their Japanese made counterparts. I too have a ZX-9 and find, >for example, that I have to re-set the azimuth when I turn over the TDK >cassettes. I NEVER have to do that with a BASF tape, for example, because >the shells are much more precisely made. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alan Olan > > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:12 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > > > > Hi Doane, > > > > Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto > > calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the > > Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good > > results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. > > > > I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so > > wasn't sure. I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. > > > > Cheers > > Regards > > Alan > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From whgl at iland.net Fri Sep 23 04:30:59 2005 From: whgl at iland.net (Durham) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:30:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Message-ID: <9A403761-0306-4E49-B946-5DB5D1C0D7EA@iland.net> Dear Friends, I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true Thank you. From fugue4all at shaw.ca Fri Sep 23 04:56:35 2005 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:56:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Best Decks (again!) References: <200509230119.j8N1JLQL022664@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000801c5bfea$694f14d0$0502a8c0@warbird> Wow--if there ever was a perpetual conundrum, the best Nak deck is it! It seems to me that no matter how "objective" we could make the comparisons, we still have to deal with psychoacoustics and the varied human response to sound. As a pianist, my favourite (by a long shot) is a Bosendorfer Imperial--most of my colleagues would prefer a Steinway. Richter plays a Yamaha, Brendel a Steinway, and so on. As a harpsichordist, I prefer a French harpsichord to either a Flemish or Italian instrument. As an organist, I'd kill for one of Bach's Silbermanns, but am genuinely happy on the 3266 pipe Casavant I play every day. Somewhere in our craniums is the "ideal" sound, based on our lifetime experiences attached to the idea of that sound, and the more concrete reality of the construction of our outer ears, the occicular chain etc. etc. Not much different with the high end Naks. My Sanktified CR-7A has exquisite bass response, and a very precise, well-defined sound. What decided me on the deck was the manual azimuth adjust (the NAAC on the Dragon and the TD-1200's is not constantly "tracked" as many believe) and the ability to reliably get the optimum setup for ANY good tape, including those with minor variations within the same batch (dolby C is very unforgiving in this area!). The TD700 in my car is the perfect complement to the CR7. But, I still think my venerable 2-head 500 makes a warmer, more pleasing sound for many acoustic instruments. The specs are not as fetching as the CR7, but the combination of that onboard mic preamp and sweet Dolby B circuit can make some beautiful recordings. I have had this deck for almost 30(!) years, and I am most attached to it. I recently recorded a choir for an audition tape on the 500 with BASF Reference Master typeII and some crappy microphones (I'm too embarrased to list) in the acoustic "sweet spot" of a domed shape church where I work. A local pro (with an impressive digital setup) absolutely refused to believe the CD he heard was recorded on a 2 head cassette deck. He knows I have an Otari MX5050II, and insisted that was the deck he heard, and swore he could recognize the sound of the AKG's I used. This guy is smart and has good ears, but he associated that warmth he heard with that equipment. I'm just grateful I'm not the only one out there with a passion for the colour of analog sound--we all share a love for the depth of thought and engineering that went into our machines. This list is a blessing! Paul Dingle -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Sep 23 08:24:48 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:24:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? Message-ID: Thank you...really satisfies me very much! Regards, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:42:50 -0700 > >Alex: I'm not familaiar with Fuji but have heard they are very good auality >and am happy you found a soulution. > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:28 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > >Hi Doane! > >As I live in Israel, I today can get here only Fuji Z-2 90 minutes, made in >Japan for $:1.00 each, which for me is extremely cheap for such "High" >quality Chrome type cassette, with my lovely Dragon's calibration...,really >sound "Astonishing"! > >Happy listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:03:43 -0700 > > > > > >Hi, Nelson: > > > >I have an older supply of TDK and Sony UX-Pro (I really like them) Sad to > >hear if TDK is slipping on thier quality. Do you know if they still sell > >the > >Nakamichi brand, they seemed to be the best, with very high quality > >control, > >though they were expen$ive. I did find, in my experience, the brand to >stay > >away from was Memorex... really inferior quality and reliability, at >least > >back in the 80's. > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Nelson > >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:33 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > > > >Hi Alan > > > >I'd certainly give some tapes other than TDK a go. The most "recently" > >made > >European TDKs, esp. SA and SA-X, are most certainly not up to the high > >standards of their Japanese made counterparts. I too have a ZX-9 and >find, > >for example, that I have to re-set the azimuth when I turn over the TDK > >cassettes. I NEVER have to do that with a BASF tape, for example, >because > >the shells are much more precisely made. > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Alan Olan > > > Sent: 22 September 2005 13:12 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Can I use other manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > > > > > > > > > Hi Doane, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. I have a 700ZXE and a ZX9. The 700ZXE auto > > > calibrates. From your reply I am presuming that I am able to buy the > > > Maxell and Fuji metals and calibrate them and it should give good > > > results. I'll check the manuals I have for the recommended tapes. > > > > > > I've not bothered using other manufacturer's tapes other than TDK so > > > wasn't sure. I'll grab some metals in London and give it a go. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Regards > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Sep 23 10:46:23 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:46:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer T-D7 deck Message-ID: Goods points George - its worth noting that support is usually not that great even for products offically distributed in the "official" country. I often think that the CEO of some of these large electronics companies would be shocked with the bureaucratic runaround prospective customers on the other side of globe are getting when their only "sin" is that they want to buy the company's product. On the service side, I am usually very, very reluctant to have the appointed service agent work on anything that belongs to me. Rather an enthusist with a map than a techie with a service contract....anyday. Cheers all, Marc >>> george valkov 09/22/05 12:56PM >>> Sorry for the off-topic, will keep it short. This is what I received from Pioneer GB when I inquired about the T-D7 : "Almost all the Pioneer products sold in Japan are for the Japanese market only, Pioneer Europe and Pioneer GB can not supply, support or advise a user regarding a Japanese only product. Japanese only products can not be imported into Europe by Pioneer due to the fact that the products have not been submitted to, and passed, the European product safety tests. Regards. Customer Relations PIONEER GB LIMITED" I guess this is why Pioneer Japan are not responding to queries from the US, etc. So amazon.co.jp or a friend in Japan seem to be the only solutions at present, since Pioneer will not sell to other markets (officially). George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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In-Reply-To: <000801c5bfea$694f14d0$0502a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <005d01c5c028$cae72d20$cac987d9@oemcomputer> Paul, you just reminded me of a British comedian/jazz pianist who I saw recently on the TV. he sat in front of the piano who was about to play and said "Steinway would like you to know that this piano is a Yamaha..." Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > Sent: 23 September 2005 03:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Best Decks (again!) > > > Wow--if there ever was a perpetual conundrum, the best Nak deck is it! It > seems to me that no matter how "objective" we could make the > comparisons, we > still have to deal with psychoacoustics and the varied human response to > sound. > > As a pianist, my favourite (by a long shot) is a Bosendorfer > Imperial--most > of my colleagues would prefer a Steinway. Richter plays a > Yamaha, Brendel a > Steinway, and so on. As a harpsichordist, I prefer a French > harpsichord to > either a Flemish or Italian instrument. As an organist, I'd kill > for one of > Bach's Silbermanns, but am genuinely happy on the 3266 pipe > Casavant I play > every day. > > Somewhere in our craniums is the "ideal" sound, based on our lifetime > experiences attached to the idea of that sound, and the more concrete > reality of the construction of our outer ears, the occicular > chain etc. etc. > Not much different with the high end Naks. My Sanktified CR-7A has > exquisite bass response, and a very precise, well-defined sound. What > decided me on the deck was the manual azimuth adjust (the NAAC on > the Dragon > and the TD-1200's is not constantly "tracked" as many believe) and the > ability to reliably get the optimum setup for ANY good tape, > including those > with minor variations within the same batch (dolby C is very > unforgiving in > this area!). The TD700 in my car is the perfect complement to the CR7. > > But, I still think my venerable 2-head 500 makes a warmer, more pleasing > sound for many acoustic instruments. The specs are not as fetching as the > CR7, but the combination of that onboard mic preamp and sweet Dolby B > circuit can make some beautiful recordings. I have had this deck > for almost > 30(!) years, and I am most attached to it. I recently recorded > a choir for > an audition tape on the 500 with BASF Reference Master typeII and some > crappy microphones (I'm too embarrased to list) in the acoustic > "sweet spot" > of a domed shape church where I work. A local pro (with an impressive > digital setup) absolutely refused to believe the CD he heard was > recorded on > a 2 head cassette deck. He knows I have an Otari MX5050II, and insisted > that was the deck he heard, and swore he could recognize the sound of the > AKG's I used. This guy is smart and has good ears, but he associated that > warmth he heard with that equipment. > > I'm just grateful I'm not the only one out there with a passion for the > colour of analog sound--we all share a love for the depth of thought and > engineering that went into our machines. This list is a blessing! > > Paul Dingle > From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Fri Sep 23 14:00:21 2005 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? In-Reply-To: <9A403761-0306-4E49-B946-5DB5D1C0D7EA@iland.net> References: <9A403761-0306-4E49-B946-5DB5D1C0D7EA@iland.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050923075837.026ebb18@pop.videotron.ca> At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: >Dear Friends, > >I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm >wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be >a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of original here. http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 16:44:05 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050923075837.026ebb18@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20050923144405.1070.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like the DM-10 because it is built virtually the same way. It is actually the 72-880 sold by MCM Electronics for $7.99. http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp;jsessionid=NBTNXADJZU0HECXFEOFCFGQK2URYWIV1?SKU=72-880&N=0 I have one. I loaned out my DM-10 to someone and never got it back. I bought the 72-880 to replace it and it seems to work just as well. SJ --- Marc Denis wrote: > At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: > >Dear Friends, > > > >I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm > >wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to > be > >a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > >ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > > Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of > original > here. > > http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rciubuc at hotmail.com Fri Sep 23 16:10:13 2005 From: rciubuc at hotmail.com (radu ciubuc) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:10:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] best sounding tape decks. Message-ID: Hello there, I read with interest your forum and I would like to know what is your opinion regarding the best sounding Naks compared with the Revox. I own a ZX7, a Dragon a B710, AKAI f71, and a Sony KA3Es. It will be interesting to know your position in this particular settings. I do have mixted opinions and although all the above besides the Revox have test tone generators I keep the Revox as very close to the best out there. Radu From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 16:53:38 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050923002032.09223e9c.kh1@khherrmann.de> Message-ID: <20050923145338.25292.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RX-505 uses the classic transport and does not have the little idler tire. That is not to say that you won't have idler problems with the RX-505. It still does have a rubber idler that must be replaced periodically, but, the it will last many times longer than the one on the Sankyo transport. It sounds like you should replace the mode control belt. SJ --- Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might be > some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers inside? > Or > only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on > pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the > head > assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and > something starts wheezing like an overstressed motor or rubber, > then at > half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and comes > down. > Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down > tape > play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come > down > the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the LEDs > are > back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No > obvious > troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. > > Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in > fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional > repair > be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service a > NAK. > > > K.-H. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 17:46:16 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050923145338.25292.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050923154616.50976.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt anyway should be checked Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: The RX-505 uses the classic transport and does not have the little idler tire. That is not to say that you won't have idler problems with the RX-505. It still does have a rubber idler that must be replaced periodically, but, the it will last many times longer than the one on the Sankyo transport. It sounds like you should replace the mode control belt. SJ --- Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might be > some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers inside? > Or > only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on > pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the > head > assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and > something starts wheezing like an overstressed motor or rubber, > then at > half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and comes > down. > Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down > tape > play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come > down > the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the LEDs > are > back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No > obvious > troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. > > Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in > fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional > repair > be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service a > NAK. > > > K.-H. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 20:18:02 2005 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050923154616.50976.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050923181802.55610.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, I thought about the pinch rollers too, but, that would not effect the speed at which the head block engages the tape. If the tape played really fast for a while after engaging then I would definately say it was the pinch roller pivots. Since K.-H. says that it plays normally once engaged it sounds like the belt (or it could be the motor or drive circuit, but, much less likely) Scott J. --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the > shaft. Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. > First the belt anyway should be checked > Kannan > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-505 uses the classic transport and does not have the little > idler tire. That is not to say that you won't have idler problems > with the RX-505. It still does have a rubber idler that must be > replaced periodically, but, the it will last many times longer than > the one on the Sankyo transport. It sounds like you should replace > the mode control belt. > > SJ > > --- Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might > be > > some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers > inside? > > Or > > only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on > > pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the > > head > > assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and > > something starts wheezing like an overstressed motor or rubber, > > then at > > half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and > comes > > down. > > Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down > > tape > > play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come > > down > > the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the > LEDs > > are > > back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No > > obvious > > troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. > > > > Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in > > fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional > > repair > > be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service > a > > NAK. > > > > > > K.-H. > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Fri Sep 23 17:27:03 2005 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:27:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration References: <20050921044230.25734.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00ff01c5bebd$d0689b60$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> <4332FB9E.7030201@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <00c501c5c053$55090440$0e35fea9@ORGANISA5B32BA> Your suggestion would certainly simplify matters. >Do all your processing analogue, then make the final copy digital; you'll >be fine Ideally I should not need to adjust any of the dragon equalizer settings. I found that the cassette machine I was using 23years ago produced a better recording performance than the one I was using 18years ago. Unfortunately some of the upper frequencies are not that clear on some of my TDK SA tapes so the only way to give the sound a bit of a lift is by simply playing thes tapes on normal tape equalizer settings. Which is very crude but it works. The downside to this is that this adjustment goes too far in producing a bit of a harsh trebly sound. Which is not good. I could use software to make adjustments for this but it would be far better to manually adjust the equalizer settings for each tape I wish to record from to save to archive. I appreciate that a number of you may have collapsed in horror at the very thought of misaligning a dragon for the sake of a tape but sometimes the perfect (i.e. dragon) has to bend for the imperfect (i.e my tape collection) for the sake of getting the best results. As yet my dragon has not been interfered with yet by re-adjusting any of its equalizer settings to suit my tape collection as I have shown the up most respect for my Nak machine but if any one has any info on making (temporary) manual adjustments on the equalizer settings I would like to hear from you. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Restoration > Hi Adam, > > Nothing is wrong with using a digital medium for copies. But if you want > to preserve the life and subtlety of the music, minimize or avoid signal > processing done in the digital domain. Do all your processing analog, then > make the final copy digital; you'll be fine. A Nak cassette makes a good > intermaster. This is not only realistic, but the way many pros approach > thing. > > Adam Falcrest wrote: >> Hi All, >> I agree that analogue produces the best sound particularly using the Nak >> but the music must come foremost. If I lost my music collection it would >> be the worst thing of all. I wish to make copies of all that I have and >> the advantage of digital is that many copies can be made quickly and put >> into a compact format that can be played just about anywhere. >> In fact if you are going to be a purist just scrap the cassette and go >> for the real to real that's if you can't get everything on vinyl (in an >> unscratched state) and the valve amps I can't praise them enough but I >> have to be a realist and sometimes practicalities have to come into play >> at some point. >> > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 17:28:18 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 schematics In-Reply-To: <20050923144405.1070.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050923152818.68808.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Anyone out there has the CR7 schematics? Bala __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Sep 23 18:03:31 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:03:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Message-ID: Hi Marc! I saw the photo...it's write "Sold"...I own exactly the same 220 volts! I brought together with my first Nak a 1000/2 during 1978... as I have in total 3 demagnetizers, this particular one I loan to a friend...today I relay on "THE ULTIMATE" one...R-B-Annis.. also ordered 220 volts. It's in a simple manner THE BEST DEMAGNETIZER TODAY IN THE WHOLE WORLD...period! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 > >At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: >>Dear Friends, >> >>I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm >>wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be >>a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > >Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of original >here. > >http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Sep 23 18:04:47 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:04:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509211001.j8LA0PWW016577@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? Gary PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whgl at iland.net Fri Sep 23 19:34:46 2005 From: whgl at iland.net (Durham) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:34:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay "DM-10" link In-Reply-To: <200509231000.j8NA0a95025937@zxe.naks.com> References: <200509231000.j8NA0a95025937@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7F68EA26-40A8-489F-A9F3-2D53507700DD@iland.net> Sorry about that link; to get it to work, just copy and paste it and eliminate the space after the question mark. Or try this. Thanks again. I'll be having to buy a few demagnetizers for friends' systems that I am putting together, and this price would be nice. > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:30:59 -0500 > From: Durham > Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <9A403761-0306-4E49-B946-5DB5D1C0D7EA at iland.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Dear Friends, > > I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm > wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be > a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > > Thank you. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Sep 23 20:02:42 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:02:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Navtalk featured in an eBay auction Message-ID: <20050923180242.ZXRW20572.centrmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> First, I am not the guy running this auction but I just found it so darn amusing to see what he has to say about Nakophiles and people addicted to Navtalk! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5812031870&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 From kh1 at khherrmann.de Fri Sep 23 20:21:59 2005 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:21:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050923154616.50976.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050923145338.25292.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050923154616.50976.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050923202159.4eefcf65.kh1@khherrmann.de> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt > anyway should be checked Thats a good lead -- I'm away for the weekend and don't want to open it up now. I'll have a look inside next week if I can spot a worn out belt or if the head assembly is not moving easily and needs some lubrication. If I need a replacement belt I'll come back here for advice.... ;-) thanks Kannan and Scott, K.-H. From whgl at iland.net Fri Sep 23 20:38:41 2005 From: whgl at iland.net (Durham) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:38:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? In-Reply-To: <200509231820.j8NIK8fY026942@zxe.naks.com> References: <200509231820.j8NIK8fY026942@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8EEA2421-E6F8-4200-B61D-262C49FAF321@iland.net> Oh! Well, $7.99 does beat a "bargain" at twice that price, doesn't it? Very much appreciated, Scott. Thank you. On Sep 23, 2005, at 1:20 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20050923144405.1070.qmail at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > It looks like the DM-10 because it is built virtually the same way. > It is actually the 72-880 sold by MCM Electronics for $7.99. > > http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/endecaSearch/ > partDetail.jsp;jsessionid=NBTNXADJZU0HECXFEOFCFGQK2URYWIV1? > SKU=72-880&N=0 > > I have one. I loaned out my DM-10 to someone and never got it back. > I bought the 72-880 to replace it and it seems to work just as well. > > SJ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Sep 23 20:45:13 2005 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:45:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 Message-ID: <200509231445_MC3-1-AAE9-3814@compuserve.com> Hi Ram, I have an old sony deck (1974) and here is the info given about FeCr tapes in its users manual: "Cassette tape coated with CrO2 in the upper layer and greatly improved ferric-oxide in the lower. These two types of magnetic substances are combined to produce remarkably expanded dynamic sound which conventional cassettes simply cannot obtain. The incomparable brightness in the high frequency range attributable to CrO2, and the depth and stability in the low and medium ranges assured by ferric-oxide unprecedented depth in cassette sound." A cross-section diagram shows the 3 layers of the tape: Base film (12um thickness), lower layer: ferric-oxide (5um) and upper layer: chromium-dioxide (1um). This info may not be true for the newer generation tapes though, some say the new high-bias formulations although labeled as CrO2, don't even have chromium-dioxide in them. Couple months ago there was a discussion about FeCr tapes, maybe you can find it in the archives. Hope this helps, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:31:35 -0700 From: "Ram Vemuri" Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed By the way, what is the difference between FeCr & CrO2 (and which is High Bias and which is obsolete?) Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri < From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Sep 23 22:08:25 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:08:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AC-Adapter for the 550, Kermit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433460B9.1000703@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Don, Durham wrote: > Ahoy Kermit, I never heard back from you re the DIY AC/DC converter. Do > you have any current ideas (pun intended - after the fact) for one? Ack. Thanks for the reminder! I need to finish the project. The 550 is a longeterm favorite of mine and I'm passionate about keeping them alive. I'll get back on it and should have you a generic AC adapter replacement soon. I'll also make a web page on how to create your own. Recently, I found a genuine Nakamichi carry strap for the 550. I'm going to have my (part-time) machinist duplicate it. I got myself too busy with other projects: the "Nakathon IIIa CD," restoring my Nakamichi 600, 600-II, 550 and 500 (and both Uhers, the Ampex 602, four turntables, one ribbon microphone and about fifteen other pieces of equipment); making new reproduce alignment cassette tapes for IEC1-eq'ed Naks, finishing my new studio (installing the talkback/cue and ambiphony systems AND restoring the echoplate), and completing the ramp up to begin manufacturing my newest loudspeakers and studio electronics. Also, I've contemplated manufacturing a new valve integrated amp, but my initial idea of basing it on one of my studio amps (to save R&D time) boomeranged on me. I don't think there's a viable market for a 40-watt integrated amp that weighs in at 100-pounds, uses 9 amps of mains current and can heat a small room in the middle of an arctic winter if you play Mahler's Fifth Symphony through it! Then again, what price glory! Nah, it needs a bit of refinement. Soon, soon. > Just looked over your website, BTW. Sensational. Thank you on behalf of > the numberless silently indulgent folks who have gained a great deal of > understanding and perspective from it that they could scarcely have > obtained at any other one place. I appreciate knowing that! Thank you for using it! Look for more additions soon. I've acquired some more data to put on it and haven't taken time to upload it with my glacially-slow dialup Internet "connection." One of the additions will be a photo gallery of some of my equipment. SPEAKING of photo gallery, I'll be making my photo gallery public so that owners of "vintage" audio gear can upload photos and let others see some of this wonderful equipment. I know Alex has many photos of his gear. I'm planning to limit things to ONLY gear that is out of production -- no new gear, no home-made gear and no cables/interconects. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Sep 23 22:27:15 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:27:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] best sounding tape decks. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43346523.1030101@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Radu, radu ciubuc wrote: > Hello there, > I read with interest your forum and I would like to know what is your > opinion regarding the best sounding Naks compared with the Revox. I own > a ZX7, a Dragon a B710, AKAI f71, and a Sony KA3Es. It will be > interesting to know your position in this particular settings. I do have > mixted opinions and although all the above besides the Revox have test > tone generators I keep the Revox as very close to the best out there. > Radu My opinion: if (and only if) the deck is flawlessly aligned for the SPECIFIC tape used, the Revox B710 has a slight edge sonically over the Dragon or ZX7. But, overall, the Dragon's and ZX7's automation gives it a "real-world" edge and mean that it becomes a "tie" between the Dragon, ZX7 and the Revox B710. The Akai F71 and Sony KA3E are definitely second-best compared to the Nakamichis and Revox. Not by a small amount, either. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Sep 23 22:33:35 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:33:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Best Decks (again!) In-Reply-To: <000801c5bfea$694f14d0$0502a8c0@warbird> References: <200509230119.j8N1JLQL022664@zxe.naks.com> <000801c5bfea$694f14d0$0502a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <4334669F.1020100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Dingle wrote: > ...I recently recorded a choir for > an audition tape on the [Nakamichi] 500 with BASF Reference Master typeII and some > crappy microphones (I'm too embarrased to list) in the acoustic "sweet spot" > of a domed shape church where I work. A local pro (with an impressive > digital setup) absolutely refused to believe the CD he heard was recorded on > a 2 head cassette deck. He knows I have an Otari MX5050II, and insisted > that was the deck he heard, and swore he could recognize the sound of the > AKG's I used. This guy is smart and has good ears, but he associated that > warmth he heard with that equipment. Outstanding! I hope those who have written me offlist expressing their disbelief that I ever used a Nakamichi cassette deck (600-II, 550 and 500) to make a professional master tape have read your experience. Hey guys, it's true! Grab a good Nak, two o rthree mics and make music! Better yet, Paul didn't use high-end microphones -- he used his ears and exploited the venue's acoustics to make up for what the microphones couldn't do. Technique, not technology, always wins in the end! Cheers from a fellow Nak 500 enthusiast! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sat Sep 24 01:47:16 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:47:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] modified nak outbaord power supply Message-ID: This question belongs in "audiotalk", but heres goes nothing...`I have seen where some great turntable designs use a very expensive outboard power supply. The benefits of using this outboard supply are supposed to be proper isolation, and much greater transient dynamic range(?).Well, I own a nice EPSCO model ESB power supply, and i would gladly offer up one of my Nakamichi units( the 700 tri-tracer) as a guniea pig to anyone who might want to experimant with trying an outboard power supply on a Nakamichi.I do not no if this is even possible. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 06:34:38 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Restoration - Sonics of Naks In-Reply-To: <20050922190147.83414.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050924043439.5670.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Currently I have 4 680ZXs in my collection. And yes, all have a slightly different sound. However, because fundamentally, they are the same machines, they share the same sonic signature. After listening to all of them, when I hook up my 670ZX, it becomes immediately apparent that I am listening to a very different machine. The 670 not only has a different sound, it has a different character and signature. Having said that, alignment and calibration play an important part in determining the sound and performance of a machine. Most of my machines were used occasinally, so I got them in relatively good condition. Head wear is very good, capstan shafts and clean, pinch wheel and belts are in good shape. Prior to test, the decks were cleaned up with ProGold spray on all pots and switches and ProGold 95% on signal connectors. When I listen to a deck, I look for justification for the sound it produces. With the Dragon, I find that so many things are crammed, and the power supply isn't even up to the standard of the 680ZX. With its cosmetic clunkiness and plasticky feel, it doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Amazing that just 7 years prior to that, the Nak 600/II came out-that guy wowed me with me with his built quality). Looking at the cable routing and the way the deck was built, it certainly looked like a rush job. Being in product design and development, I can easily tell that decks like the 6XX-ZX series and ZXL series were NOT rush jobs. Neither was the CR7. almost everyone has eschewed the ZXL series for the complexity they posses. Looking at decks from a design standpoint, its easily seen that the circuit, components and built were not chosen without reason.One area which serves to prove my point is the power supply. The ZXL series use a huge transformer with a very stable and well regulated +/- 12V. The capacitance is very large, and bridge is generous. The 1000ZXL uses a Darlington pair series-pass system and I am impressed by its perrfomance. It may be chosen also since its running the computer, but the audio side of the deck definitely benefits from this selection also.The 680ZX uses normal single-chip power regulators. The Dragon is a very good deck. I was amazed in its initial listening phase. However, when reproducing more demanding extremes..it lost out to the 680ZX. The 680ZX gave the four woofers in my McIntosh speakers a very tough time with its extremely low bass response. My views may have been contradictory here, and I suspected it as much even during the listening sessions. However, after many cups of coffees with the old-timers who heard and played these decks when they were spanking new, I am not suprised. They concur with my opnion. When I asked him, how about the ZXL Limited, he just laughed and folded his arms. Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Even between two CR 7 , one might prefer one over the other due entirely to the conditions of used Naks today. I happen to hear atleast 3 dozen Naks in past two years in US - (atleast 4 Dragons and 5 CR7A's as well as multiple ZX9/7 and 670. Also I have worked on atleast four BX300's and seven CR3A 's and three CR4A's. I also happend to hear one 700ZXE and ofcourse aligned it. I never found any two naks of even same model matching in quality among these. However I noticed one Mint Dragon, Stephen Sank's CR7A and Robert kent' 670ZX were extraordinarily good to hear. Dragon and CR7A both were in very good shape ineternally. Generally I find 670 all ZX plays so well - I suspect the play circuit could be the ( along with Dolby Chip and circuit) reason. I will not be surprised by anybody selecting any model Nak ( three head ) over the other considering these decks were used and may need even some component replacement. However - both 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL should be better than any other Nak provided they have been well maintained because of the tight specifications. Both should have 25Khz bandwidth ( record replay) at + or - 3 dB while all others 20 to 21 Khz at this tolerance. But if you were to play a tape recorded out of their own - Dragon should sound better than many in play back. kannan Jonathan Doupe wrote: Hi Bala and Gra, After reading this message thread, I'm quite interested my self about the results. Could you explain whether these test results are for playback or recording, or both and then averaged out. Also you seem to put the ZXL range above the CR range, ie 700ZXL above the CR7, could you explain what is so special about the ZXL range that puts them above the CR7, as I have always been lead to believe that the Dragon was the top of the castle, untill the CR7 came along and for recording it gave superior results. What I find really confusing though is you have put the 700ZXL above the 1000ZXL ???????? What's goin on ere :-o ??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Interesting! I am surprised the 1000ZXL is not in the top four. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 September 2005 13:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Restoration Hi Alex, Here I better break the news to the group. After my Dragon, I got a Nak 600/II. That is my 15th Nak. Now, I have added more new decks to my collection: 1.700ZXL 2.1000ZXL 3.CR7. I managed to audition the 700ZXL, Dragon, CR7 and 680ZX side by side. I will soon post a detailed review on the tests. However, in summary, here is the ranking: 1. 700ZXL 2.CR7 3.680ZX 4. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Sep 24 10:49:29 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:49:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 Message-ID: Dear Faud & Ram! NO NAK deck EVER takes "FeCr" tapes...so for all Naks owners & collectors this topic is NOT relevant!!! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" >Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:45:13 -0400 > >Hi Ram, > >I have an old sony deck (1974) and here is the info given about FeCr tapes >in its users manual: > >"Cassette tape coated with CrO2 in the upper layer and greatly improved >ferric-oxide in the lower. These two types of magnetic substances are >combined to produce remarkably expanded dynamic sound which conventional >cassettes simply cannot obtain. The incomparable brightness in the high >frequency range attributable to CrO2, and the depth and stability in the >low and medium ranges assured by ferric-oxide unprecedented depth in >cassette sound." > >A cross-section diagram shows the 3 layers of the tape: Base film (12um >thickness), lower layer: ferric-oxide (5um) and upper layer: >chromium-dioxide (1um). > >This info may not be true for the newer generation tapes though, some say >the new high-bias formulations although labeled as CrO2, don't even have >chromium-dioxide in them. > >Couple months ago there was a discussion about FeCr tapes, maybe you can >find it in the archives. > >Hope this helps, >_Fuad > > >Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:31:35 -0700 >From: "Ram Vemuri" >Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >By the way, what is the difference between FeCr & CrO2 (and which is High >Bias and which is obsolete?) > >Best Regards, >-- Ram Vemuri >< > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Sep 24 10:52:23 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:52:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] AC-Adapter for the 550, Kermit? Message-ID: Hi...my lovely Kermit! If you ever will need some of my photos...please do not hesitate asking me! Be well!!! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] AC-Adapter for the 550, Kermit? >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:08:25 -0500 > >Hi Don, > >Durham wrote: >>Ahoy Kermit, I never heard back from you re the DIY AC/DC converter. Do >>you have any current ideas (pun intended - after the fact) for one? > >Ack. Thanks for the reminder! I need to finish the project. The 550 is a >longeterm favorite of mine and I'm passionate about keeping them alive. >I'll get back on it and should have you a generic AC adapter replacement >soon. I'll also make a web page on how to create your own. > >Recently, I found a genuine Nakamichi carry strap for the 550. I'm going to >have my (part-time) machinist duplicate it. > >I got myself too busy with other projects: the "Nakathon IIIa CD," >restoring my Nakamichi 600, 600-II, 550 and 500 (and both Uhers, the Ampex >602, four turntables, one ribbon microphone and about fifteen other pieces >of equipment); making new reproduce alignment cassette tapes for IEC1-eq'ed >Naks, finishing my new studio (installing the talkback/cue and ambiphony >systems AND restoring the echoplate), and completing the ramp up to begin >manufacturing my newest loudspeakers and studio electronics. Also, I've >contemplated manufacturing a new valve integrated amp, but my initial idea >of basing it on one of my studio amps (to save R&D time) boomeranged on me. >I don't think there's a viable market for a 40-watt integrated amp that >weighs in at 100-pounds, uses 9 amps of mains current and can heat a small >room in the middle of an arctic winter if you play Mahler's Fifth Symphony >through it! Then again, what price glory! Nah, it needs a bit of >refinement. Soon, soon. > >>Just looked over your website, BTW. Sensational. Thank you on behalf of >>the numberless silently indulgent folks who have gained a great deal of >>understanding and perspective from it that they could scarcely have >>obtained at any other one place. > >I appreciate knowing that! Thank you for using it! Look for more additions >soon. I've acquired some more data to put on it and haven't taken time to >upload it with my glacially-slow dialup Internet "connection." One of the >additions will be a photo gallery of some of my equipment. > >SPEAKING of photo gallery, I'll be making my photo gallery public so that >owners of "vintage" audio gear can upload photos and let others see some of >this wonderful equipment. I know Alex has many photos of his gear. I'm >planning to limit things to ONLY gear that is out of production -- no new >gear, no home-made gear and no cables/interconects. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 24 11:24:03 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:24:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c5c0e9$b5b83b30$7300a8c0@Shaun> Gary, I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 head Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only cost £5!) but still reluctant to install it! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? Gary PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 24 16:59:27 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:59:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Alex: I've been using a sort of square shaped one with two wide flat prongs, made by Akai, since I bought it over seas in 1967! It works beautifully. Fist used it on my Sony and Teak reel to reel machines, then on cassette decks. The only drawback to it is that the two flat probes are fairly short, about 2", so it's a bit hard to reach tight spots, but it's a very strong demagnetizer. The only difference in head demagnetizers, besides the probe shape, seems to be the size of the coil they use for the probe, which effects the strength of the field and the probe shape itself effects the size of the field, whether it's broad or more pointed. The smaller, weaker coil size units try to make up for it by using a very narrow field with a point probe, so you get a small concentrated area, but they should work just as well as the bigger field area ones like mine. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Hi Marc! I saw the photo...it's write "Sold"...I own exactly the same 220 volts! I brought together with my first Nak a 1000/2 during 1978... as I have in total 3 demagnetizers, this particular one I loan to a friend...today I relay on "THE ULTIMATE" one...R-B-Annis.. also ordered 220 volts. It's in a simple manner THE BEST DEMAGNETIZER TODAY IN THE WHOLE WORLD...period! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 > >At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: >>Dear Friends, >> >>I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm >>wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be >>a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > >Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 24 17:09:30 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:09:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was also going to say that one good test of a head demagnetizer's strength (with out subjecting it to a gauze meter) is simply whether you can physically feel it working. As you get a strong one near the heads you can actually feel the field interacting with the metal, whereas on a week one you will hardly notice it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Hi Marc! I saw the photo...it's write "Sold"...I own exactly the same 220 volts! I brought together with my first Nak a 1000/2 during 1978... as I have in total 3 demagnetizers, this particular one I loan to a friend...today I relay on "THE ULTIMATE" one...R-B-Annis.. also ordered 220 volts. It's in a simple manner THE BEST DEMAGNETIZER TODAY IN THE WHOLE WORLD...period! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 > >At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: >>Dear Friends, >> >>I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm >>wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be >>a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > >Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of original >here. > >http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 25 04:38:46 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:38:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Navtalk featured in an eBay auction In-Reply-To: <20050923180242.ZXRW20572.centrmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20050923180242.ZXRW20572.centrmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <43360DB6.9000708@snet.net> Um, that would be me running the auction. I suppose you can at least say that I speak from experience and am more than willing to poke a little fun at my hobbies and addictions. This is not an endorsement. Ed rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: >First, I am not the guy running this auction but I just found it so darn amusing to see what he has to say about Nakophiles and people addicted to Navtalk! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5812031870&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 25 04:45:48 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:45:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43360F5C.2020901@snet.net> Actually, just about any Nak can take FeCr tape by virtue of the separate eq and bias switches. I'll show my age now by stating that I clearly remember Schotch FeCr among others. The standard was such that FeCr required you set bias at one position and eq at the other... sx bias/ex eq... or was it ex bias/sx eq. Oh well, mind just ran out of gas, but I can say for certain that it used one of those two combinations. Of course it's all moot now which makes this really just a point in academics. The claimed advantages of FeCr - CrO2 highs with robust Fe bass never really materialized anyway. Ed Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Faud & Ram! > > NO NAK deck EVER takes "FeCr" tapes...so for all Naks owners & > collectors this topic is NOT relevant!!! > > Happy Listening, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" >> Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:45:13 -0400 >> >> Hi Ram, >> >> I have an old sony deck (1974) and here is the info given about FeCr >> tapes >> in its users manual: >> >> "Cassette tape coated with CrO2 in the upper layer and greatly improved >> ferric-oxide in the lower. These two types of magnetic substances are >> combined to produce remarkably expanded dynamic sound which conventional >> cassettes simply cannot obtain. The incomparable brightness in the high >> frequency range attributable to CrO2, and the depth and stability in the >> low and medium ranges assured by ferric-oxide unprecedented depth in >> cassette sound." >> >> A cross-section diagram shows the 3 layers of the tape: Base film (12um >> thickness), lower layer: ferric-oxide (5um) and upper layer: >> chromium-dioxide (1um). >> >> This info may not be true for the newer generation tapes though, some >> say >> the new high-bias formulations although labeled as CrO2, don't even have >> chromium-dioxide in them. >> >> Couple months ago there was a discussion about FeCr tapes, maybe you can >> find it in the archives. >> >> Hope this helps, >> _Fuad >> >> >> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >> >Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:31:35 -0700 >> From: "Ram Vemuri" >> Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> >> By the way, what is the difference between FeCr & CrO2 (and which is >> High >> Bias and which is obsolete?) >> >> Best Regards, >> -- Ram Vemuri >> < >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Sep 24 17:28:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:28:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Message-ID: Dear Doane! If...you vintage Akai still working is suffices...don't spell money in another one! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? >Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:09:30 -0700 > >I was also going to say that one good test of a head demagnetizer's >strength >(with out subjecting it to a gauze meter) is simply whether you can >physically feel it working. As you get a strong one near the heads you can >actually feel the field interacting with the metal, whereas on a week one >you will hardly notice it. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:04 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > > >Hi Marc! > >I saw the photo...it's write "Sold"...I own exactly the same 220 volts! I >brought together with my first Nak a 1000/2 during 1978... as I have in >total 3 demagnetizers, this particular one I loan to a friend...today I >relay on "THE ULTIMATE" one...R-B-Annis.. also ordered 220 volts. It's in a >simple manner THE BEST DEMAGNETIZER TODAY IN THE WHOLE WORLD...period! > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Marc Denis > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 > > > >At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: > >>Dear Friends, > >> > >>I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm > >>wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be > >>a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > >>ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > > > >Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of >original > >here. > > > >http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 24 17:29:36 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:29:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gary: How about just making them responsible for it?... if they screwed up your cartridge, did you make them find a new one and pay for it? I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your kids, but I think too many parents are too lenient today about discipline. I'm sure there are locks you could get, you could switch off the breaker for the circuit your stereo is on and put a lock on it, or maybe a lock on the doors of the cabinet, but I think the message you would be sending to your sons is that you don't trust them. Why not take a different tactic.. sit down with them and explain your concern about your system, how it can be harmed if it isn't handled correctly, how over driving the speaker amp can cause clipped square waves that can burn out a tweeter, etc., etc., then tell them that they have their own stereo to use and that you would either prefer that they don't use yours at all, or that they only use it under certain conditions that you set, i.e.: only when you are there to supervise it, or maybe only under certain conditions like a maximum volume level limit, no record playing, etc. Just decide what it will be and then stick to that rule(s). Also let them know that if they disobey you and cause any harm to your system you will take it out of their allowance (if they have one) or that they will have to find the replacements or earn the money to pay you for the very expensive costs of fixing this vintage, very expensive equipment. You asked.... :~) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? Gary PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 24 17:39:39 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:39:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050923202159.4eefcf65.kh1@khherrmann.de> Message-ID: What about the adjustment to the control cam? Is that something that can get out of adjustment over time and cause problems like the ones mentioned? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. > Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt > anyway should be checked Thats a good lead -- I'm away for the weekend and don't want to open it up now. I'll have a look inside next week if I can spot a worn out belt or if the head assembly is not moving easily and needs some lubrication. If I need a replacement belt I'll come back here for advice.... ;-) thanks Kannan and Scott, K.-H. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Sep 24 18:59:59 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:59:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <001601c5c0e9$b5b83b30$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Hi, Shaun: I think there is a BIG difference between small kids and grown kids/teenagers, don't you? You can get all sorts of child proof locks for small kids that you can attach to cabinet doors and drawers, which should solve your problems, but "kids" large enough to circumvent these just need to be taught not to touch. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Gary, I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 head Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only cost £5!) but still reluctant to install it! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? Gary PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Sep 24 22:55:47 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:55:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4335BD53.80909@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gary, A radical suggestion, definitely radical would be to have an electrician put your stereo on a separate mains branch then have a lock put on your breaker box. Switch off the breaker for the stereo's circuit and that's it -- unless he wants to string a big extension cord to another outlet. Also, can the room that the stereo is in be locked? gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough > to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to > worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The > oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he > has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My > system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of > Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt > amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this > boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. > > My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main > power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would > be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my > stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't > found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. > > So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Sep 25 01:22:55 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: <000601c5c15e$e4da8560$5b0ed255@homeduron1300> Hello all, I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf with the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical and side to side symmetry. They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable amount of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, not have them on top of one another. The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden amplifier next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm your hands on in the winter. This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot corner of the room. Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just my two? (Very worrying if so). What about long term equipment performance and life span? Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to actively cool them? Any comments appreciated. Many thanks, David From marlin at amerion.com Sun Sep 25 04:13:09 2005 From: marlin at amerion.com (Loud 138) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:13:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] belt catalogue Message-ID: <000c01c5c176$adab17e0$48ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello- I'm looking for a catalogue or guide which specifies all belts for cassette decks. I've seen them at electronics shops. They also show idler tires etc... Does anyone have one to sell? Or what would I search as key words on Ebay? I would really appreciate some help! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 08:38:25 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:38:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 Message-ID: Hi Ed! Yes you ALSO can do in such way...however, once I own a Akai...with 3 type of tapes, and FeCr...was inside...seems me that this named Type-3 was NOT so popular..do demisted very soon, and maybe for that Nakamichi decided NOT to allow to use it...Today who knows...? Regards. ALEX! >From: Edward Noyes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:45:48 -0400 > >Actually, just about any Nak can take FeCr tape by virtue of the separate >eq and bias switches. I'll show my age now by stating that I clearly >remember Schotch FeCr among others. The standard was such that FeCr >required you set bias at one position and eq at the other... sx bias/ex >eq... or was it ex bias/sx eq. Oh well, mind just ran out of gas, but I can >say for certain that it used one of those two combinations. Of course it's >all moot now which makes this really just a point in academics. The claimed >advantages of FeCr - CrO2 highs with robust Fe bass never really >materialized anyway. > >Ed > >Alex Cozac wrote: > >>Dear Faud & Ram! >> >>NO NAK deck EVER takes "FeCr" tapes...so for all Naks owners & collectors >>this topic is NOT relevant!!! >> >>Happy Listening, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" >>>Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >>>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:45:13 -0400 >>> >>>Hi Ram, >>> >>>I have an old sony deck (1974) and here is the info given about FeCr >>>tapes >>>in its users manual: >>> >>>"Cassette tape coated with CrO2 in the upper layer and greatly improved >>>ferric-oxide in the lower. These two types of magnetic substances are >>>combined to produce remarkably expanded dynamic sound which conventional >>>cassettes simply cannot obtain. The incomparable brightness in the high >>>frequency range attributable to CrO2, and the depth and stability in the >>>low and medium ranges assured by ferric-oxide unprecedented depth in >>>cassette sound." >>> >>>A cross-section diagram shows the 3 layers of the tape: Base film (12um >>>thickness), lower layer: ferric-oxide (5um) and upper layer: >>>chromium-dioxide (1um). >>> >>>This info may not be true for the newer generation tapes though, some say >>>the new high-bias formulations although labeled as CrO2, don't even have >>>chromium-dioxide in them. >>> >>>Couple months ago there was a discussion about FeCr tapes, maybe you can >>>find it in the archives. >>> >>>Hope this helps, >>>_Fuad >>> >>> >>>Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >>> >Message: 2 >>>Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:31:35 -0700 >>>From: "Ram Vemuri" >>>Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Message-ID: >>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >>> >>>By the way, what is the difference between FeCr & CrO2 (and which is High >>>Bias and which is obsolete?) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>-- Ram Vemuri >>>< >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 25 12:40:57 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:40:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 In-Reply-To: <43360F5C.2020901@snet.net> Message-ID: <007901c5c1bd$9caeac80$27ca87d9@oemcomputer> Ifelt it was better than the original Chrome tapes, until TDK SA came along. And then, still beter than SOME Chrome tapes!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 25 September 2005 03:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FeCr and CrO2 > > > Actually, just about any Nak can take FeCr tape by virtue of the > separate eq and bias switches. I'll show my age now by stating that I > clearly remember Schotch FeCr among others. The standard was such that > FeCr required you set bias at one position and eq at the other... sx > bias/ex eq... or was it ex bias/sx eq. Oh well, mind just ran out of > gas, but I can say for certain that it used one of those two > combinations. Of course it's all moot now which makes this really just a > point in academics. The claimed advantages of FeCr - CrO2 highs with > robust Fe bass never really materialized anyway. > > Ed > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Faud & Ram! > > > > NO NAK deck EVER takes "FeCr" tapes...so for all Naks owners & > > collectors this topic is NOT relevant!!! > > > > Happy Listening, > > > > ALEX! > > > > From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Sep 25 13:32:48 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:32:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Congratulations Edward Message-ID: <000d01c5c1c4$dc28cf60$0922d255@homeduron1300> Could I just say that I found Edward Noyes's eBay comments a hoot. You have to be able to laugh at yourself and people who are intensely interested about something inevitably act in a similar manner, whether it be stamp collecting or espousing some religious cause. The established experts sit back and save their comments for those worthy enough to receive; the zealous newbies prattle on, examining every nuance of some aspect of their enthusiasm, proselytisers won't hear of any middle ground and the rest bumble along joining in now and again. All enthusiasts are the same, only the subject changes. Life's a laugh and enthusiasts more so. The only jarring note in this episode was that Edward saw fit to be contrite when 'outing' himself. I'm sure we can all laugh and be enthusiasts, can't we? David Edwards From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 13:47:22 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:47:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Message-ID: Hi Folks! I have 4 kids two "pairs"...all NEVER touch my equipment they knew..."Only Daddy play music and is it's his staff"....depend of how you teach them...exist items for them and "Other Daddy/Mom staff", my equipment was always stacked open inclusive the turntables...with very expensive cartridges...NEVER happen nothing! Maybe I was extremely "Lucky"...could be??? Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system >Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:59:59 -0700 > >Hi, Shaun: > >I think there is a BIG difference between small kids and grown >kids/teenagers, don't you? You can get all sorts of child proof locks for >small kids that you can attach to cabinet doors and drawers, which should >solve your problems, but "kids" large enough to circumvent these just need >to be taught not to touch. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >Shaun Montgomery >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >Gary, > >I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my >video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did >to >the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 >head >Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home >made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this >was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a >wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > >First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi >components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is >possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control >presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > >I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have >bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear >of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only >cost >�5!) but still reluctant to install it! > >Shaun >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com >Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > >Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to >discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry >about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is >really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been >allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is >upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These >babies >can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever >want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for >abuse. > >My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? >The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that >has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that >would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've >been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would >work without looking like a major cluge. > >So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative >things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > >Gary > >PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge >at >a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 13:53:39 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:53:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Hi David! My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's cool! (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "David Edwards" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 > >Hello all, >I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf with >the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >and side to side symmetry. > >They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable amount >of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, not >have them on top of one another. > >The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden amplifier >next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm >your hands on in the winter. >This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >corner of the room. > >Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just my >two? (Very worrying if so). > >What about long term equipment performance and life span? >Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >actively cool them? > >Any comments appreciated. >Many thanks, > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Sun Sep 25 15:28:52 2005 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:28:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system References: Message-ID: <003301c5c1d5$148ee0f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> I'm glad someone wrote this before I did. Doing this will help with a lot more than just protecting the audio system - it will help the kid(s) now in school and later on in life. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From: "Doane Hoag" > Gary: > How about just making them responsible for it?... if they screwed up your > cartridge, did you make them find a new one and pay for it? > I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your kids, but I think too many > parents are too lenient today about discipline. I'm sure there are locks you > could get, you could switch off the breaker for the circuit your stereo is > on and put a lock on it, or maybe a lock on the doors of the cabinet, but I > think the message you would be sending to your sons is that you don't trust > them. Why not take a different tactic.. sit down with them and explain your > concern about your system, how it can be harmed if it isn't handled > correctly, how over driving the speaker amp can cause clipped square waves > that can burn out a tweeter, etc., etc., then tell them that they have their > own stereo to use and that you would either prefer that they don't use yours > at all, or that they only use it under certain conditions that you set, > i.e.: only when you are there to supervise it, or maybe only under certain > conditions like a maximum volume level limit, no record playing, etc. Just > decide what it will be and then stick to that rule(s). > Also let them know that if they disobey you and cause any harm to your > system you will take it out of their allowance (if they have one) or that > they will have to find the replacements or earn the money to pay you for the > very expensive costs of fixing this vintage, very expensive equipment. You > asked.... :~) From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 25 15:32:44 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:32:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4336A6FC.5000302@rcn.com> I faced the same problem many years ago... As my kids were growing up, they were made aware, from a very early age, that my sound system was out of bounds, period. They respected this at all times. Neither of them ever touched the system, until specifically allowed to, at the advanced age of 16 (that was something of an event for them). As to your problem... I would power the whole system through an X-10 appliance module, placing the module out of sight, so it's as unobtrusive as possible. If you're technically inclined, you can even replace the wall outlet feeding the system with an X-10 controlled outlet, so that the change will be completely invisible. There will be two ways to control the X-10 outlet. You could plug an X-10 controller into some outlet and hide it in a way not obvious to the boys. Or, you could plug an infrared receiver into any outlet and power the system with an X-10 IR remote control that you would keep locked in a drawer. In my own system I use a similar arrangement to provide On/Off remote control for 3 components that would otherwise require manual operation: the cassette deck, turntable and CD player. In addition, the X-10 components control all lights in the family room -- very convenient at movie time. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Gary: > How about just making them responsible for it?... if they screwed up > your cartridge, did you make them find a new one and pay for it? > I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your kids, but I think too many > parents are too lenient today about discipline. I'm sure there are locks > you could get, you could switch off the breaker for the circuit your > stereo is on and put a lock on it, or maybe a lock on the doors of the > cabinet, but I think the message you would be sending to your sons is > that you don't trust them. Why not take a different tactic.. sit down > with them and explain your concern about your system, how it can be > harmed if it isn't handled correctly, how over driving the speaker amp > can cause clipped square waves that can burn out a tweeter, etc., etc., > then tell them that they have their own stereo to use and that you would > either prefer that they don't use yours at all, or that they only use it > under certain conditions that you set, i.e.: only when you are there to > supervise it, or maybe only under certain conditions like a maximum > volume level limit, no record playing, etc. Just decide what it will be > and then stick to that rule(s). > Also let them know that if they disobey you and cause any harm to your > system you will take it out of their allowance (if they have one) or > that they will have to find the replacements or earn the money to pay > you for the very expensive costs of fixing this vintage, very expensive > equipment. You asked.... :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2005 9:05 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough > to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to > worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The > oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he > has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My > system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of > Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt > amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this > boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. > > My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main > power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would > be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my > stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't > found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. > > So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > > Gary > > PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering > cartridge at a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Sep 25 16:16:13 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:16:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <4335BD53.80909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit: Do I hear an echo? :~) See my post just a few down... that would be prevention, NOT a solution. ...Next steps would be to lock the bar cabinet, lock the drawer with your car keys in it, put a safe in the bedroom and put your cash in it each night, etc. Prevention, NOT solutions. Yes, I'm exaggerating, but do you see what I mean? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 1:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Hi Gary, A radical suggestion, definitely radical would be to have an electrician put your stereo on a separate mains branch then have a lock put on your breaker box. Switch off the breaker for the stereo's circuit and that's it -- unless he wants to string a big extension cord to another outlet. Also, can the room that the stereo is in be locked? gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough > to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to > worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The > oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he > has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My > system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of > Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt > amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this > boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. > > My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main > power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would > be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my > stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't > found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. > > So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sun Sep 25 16:36:01 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:36:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: I have no intention of buying another one... if it works, don't fix it. :~) This 38 year old(!) Akai unit was capable of demagnitizing my much larger Teak and Sony reel to reel deck heads, so demagnetizing the small cassette heads is a breeze for it. I can really feel the magnetic field as I slowley rotate it near the heads. I've even used it to demagnetize steel tools. Here's a jpg of it for everyone: http://rhoag.com/Forums/Akai_demag.jpg It's not very elegant looking like the Nak one, but it does work well. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 8:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Dear Doane! If...you vintage Akai still working is suffices...don't spell money in another one! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? >Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:09:30 -0700 > >I was also going to say that one good test of a head demagnetizer's >strength >(with out subjecting it to a gauze meter) is simply whether you can >physically feel it working. As you get a strong one near the heads you can >actually feel the field interacting with the metal, whereas on a week one >you will hardly notice it. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:04 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > > >Hi Marc! > >I saw the photo...it's write "Sold"...I own exactly the same 220 volts! I >brought together with my first Nak a 1000/2 during 1978... as I have in >total 3 demagnetizers, this particular one I loan to a friend...today I >relay on "THE ULTIMATE" one...R-B-Annis.. also ordered 220 volts. It's in a >simple manner THE BEST DEMAGNETIZER TODAY IN THE WHOLE WORLD...period! > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Marc Denis > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 > > > >At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: > >>Dear Friends, > >> > >>I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm > >>wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be > >>a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > >>ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > > > >Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of >original > >here. > > > >http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 25 19:08:54 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:08:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c5c1f3$d012bdb0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Yep, I wholeheartedly agree with that. Discipline needn't be cruel or unreasonable, however children need to learn that there are consequences when they behave badly. Trouble is at the young age they were (2 & 4) it really means keeping an eye on the equipment all the time if you want to use it whilst they are around and that isn't always easy. Perhaps I will leave it a bit longer before I install the Naks into my system! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 24 September 2005 18:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Hi, Shaun: I think there is a BIG difference between small kids and grown kids/teenagers, don't you? You can get all sorts of child proof locks for small kids that you can attach to cabinet doors and drawers, which should solve your problems, but "kids" large enough to circumvent these just need to be taught not to touch. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Gary, I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 head Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only cost £5!) but still reluctant to install it! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? Gary PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Sep 25 21:29:02 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:29:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4336FA7E.1030800@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Do I hear an echo? :~) Wow! Then my echoplate must be working again! Great! grea... gre... gr... g... ... .. . > See my post just a few down... that would be > prevention, NOT a solution. ...Next steps would be to lock the bar cabinet, > lock the drawer with your car keys in it, put a safe in the bedroom and put > your cash in it each night, etc. Prevention, NOT solutions. Yes, I'm > exaggerating, but do you see what I mean? Well, point taken BUT consider: I'm an enthusiastic and experienced Nakamichi owner, professional audio engineer, valve equipment designer, acoustician, record producer, and expert computer crasher. I'm NOT a child psychologist. Thus, I feel qualified to comment only on issues relating to audio equipment operation, design and installation; record production, sound recording, acoustics or crashing computers. I'm unmarried, never had a child out of wedlock, never adopted a child, never worked with a child, nor never really fit in with my fellow children when I WAS a child. So, I'll leave child rearing comments and suggestions to those more qualified than I. I admit that I do have my faults, the biggest of which is The New Madrid, but I do try to avoid things I know nothing about. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Sep 25 21:34:22 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:34:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <000601c5c15e$e4da8560$5b0ed255@homeduron1300> References: <000601c5c15e$e4da8560$5b0ed255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <4336FBBE.2090106@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, Heat, like dirt, is the main enemy of audio equipment. I tend to be overly cautious about allowing free ventilation. If it's hot to the touch, then it needs plenty f free air space to ventilate. My usual practice is to allow the same space above the equipment as the height of the equipment for those pieces that are literally hot to the touch. Ventilation fans are an option for times when cramped installation MUST be done. Add a thermostatic alarm and automatic shutoff so if the fans fail the gear isn't allowed to overheat. David Edwards wrote: > Hello all, > I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They > are in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower > shelf with the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). > The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical > and side to side symmetry. > > They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable > amount of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? > That is, not have them on top of one another. > > The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden > amplifier next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe > you can warm your hands on in the winter. > This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot > corner of the room. > > Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just > my two? (Very worrying if so). > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 26 00:41:55 2005 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:41:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB26@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> I agree with Kannan,try the cam motor belt first. I just recently replaced the belt in my ZX9 because of the same problem and it's back in form. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2005 1:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt anyway should be checked Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: The RX-505 uses the classic transport and does not have the little idler tire. That is not to say that you won't have idler problems with the RX-505. It still does have a rubber idler that must be replaced periodically, but, the it will last many times longer than the one on the Sankyo transport. It sounds like you should replace the mode control belt. SJ --- Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might be > some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers inside? > Or > only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on > pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the > head > assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and > something starts wheezin g like an overstressed motor or rubber, > then at > half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and comes > down. > Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down > tape > play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come > down > the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the LEDs > are > back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No > obvious > troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. > > Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in > fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional > repair > be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service a > NAK. > > > K.-H. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Sep 26 01:36:37 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:36:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <001501c5c1f3$d012bdb0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001501c5c1f3$d012bdb0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43373485.6060308@snet.net> This may sound like heresy, but I taught my kids at about the age of three or so the basic procedures of operating CDs and such and made it very clear that the stereo was a delicate instrument and if they broke it they would pay in the form of having no music in the house and no new anything until daddy could pay for the repairs. By setting clear procedures and limits, they were empowered, responsible, and completely lacking in that desire to touch things that are forbidden. It is a little ironic that the only mishap I've had with the kit was due to my own error. Perhaps I've just been very lucky. Ed Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Yep, I wholeheartedly agree with that. Discipline needn't be cruel or >unreasonable, however children need to learn that there are consequences >when they behave badly. Trouble is at the young age they were (2 & 4) it >really means keeping an eye on the equipment all the time if you want to use >it whilst they are around and that isn't always easy. Perhaps I will leave >it a bit longer before I install the Naks into my system! > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Doane Hoag >Sent: 24 September 2005 18:00 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >Hi, Shaun: > >I think there is a BIG difference between small kids and grown >kids/teenagers, don't you? You can get all sorts of child proof locks for >small kids that you can attach to cabinet doors and drawers, which should >solve your problems, but "kids" large enough to circumvent these just need >to be taught not to touch. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Shaun Montgomery >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >Gary, > >I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my >video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did to >the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 head >Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home >made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this >was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a >wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > >First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi >components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is >possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control >presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > >I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have >bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear >of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only cost >£5!) but still reluctant to install it! > >Shaun >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com >Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > >Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to >discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry >about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is >really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been >allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is >upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies >can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever >want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for >abuse. > >My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? >The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that >has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that >would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've >been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would >work without looking like a major cluge. > >So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative >things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > >Gary > >PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at >a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From enoyes at snet.net Mon Sep 26 01:38:25 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:38:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433734F1.8090508@snet.net> Let me just say from experience that locking the bar cabinet isn't such a bad idea -hic- ! Doane Hoag wrote: >Kermit: >Do I hear an echo? :~) See my post just a few down... that would be >prevention, NOT a solution. ...Next steps would be to lock the bar cabinet, >lock the drawer with your car keys in it, put a safe in the bedroom and put >your cash in it each night, etc. Prevention, NOT solutions. Yes, I'm >exaggerating, but do you see what I mean? > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 1:56 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >Hi Gary, > >A radical suggestion, definitely radical would be to have an electrician >put your stereo on a separate mains branch then have a lock put on your >breaker box. Switch off the breaker for the stereo's circuit and that's >it -- unless he wants to string a big extension cord to another outlet. > >Also, can the room that the stereo is in be locked? > > >gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > >>Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough >>to discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to >>worry about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The >>oldest is really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he >>has been allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My >>system is upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of >>Klipschorns. These babies can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt >>amplifier I have. I do not ever want them sent into clipping, but this >>boy seems to have a penchant for abuse. >> >>My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your >>system? The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main >>power line that has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would >>be something that would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my >>stereo cabinet. I've been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't >>found anything that would work without looking like a major cluge. >> >>So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What >>innovative things have you done to avoid system meltdown? >> >> > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Sun Sep 25 22:45:13 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] locking up the audio system Message-ID: even though this isuue is just a trifle off topic, i would like to add a suggestion. Here is how I handled the situation. I bought a dead parts unit off e-bay for 15.00 plus shipping. I let the kids have at it. When i got home , i through a huge tyrade and took my Nak ( extremely expensive ..ha hah ha)unit and through it out the window .As my "preciuos" nak smashed to bits on the aspahalt, I screamed, cursed and beat them to within an inch of their lives.After a thorough whipping, the boy was locked in the closet for two weeks, and fed nothing but raw meat, stale bread, and water.Let me tyell you, after he was let out , he never went near my Nakamichis again! It was a bit funny to see him emerge after two long weeks in that closet- LOL! It was all for the boys good though- no harm done. From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Sep 25 23:33:01 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:33:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! References: Message-ID: <000901c5c218$b5d95510$a90bd255@homeduron1300> Thanks Kermit and Alex, I must admit I have been leaving them on for extended periods, even overnight if I've left something recording and gone to bed. I think I will have to rethink my layout as (from what Kermit says) I don't have nearly enough space round them. Such a shame they look gorgeous one on top of the other, but I mustn't do anything to compromise their long term health. Looks like I need to invest in a bigger rack - that won't go down well with 'she who must be obeyed'!! Thanks again, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > Hi David! > > My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's > cool! (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn > it OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, > > Happy Listening, > > ALEX! > > > > >>From: "David Edwards" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: >>Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >> >>Hello all, >>I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >>in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf >>with the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >>and side to side symmetry. >> >>They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >>amount of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That >>is, not have them on top of one another. >> >>The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >>amplifier next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you >>can warm your hands on in the winter. >>This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>corner of the room. >> >>Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just my >>two? (Very worrying if so). >> >>What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >>actively cool them? >> >>Any comments appreciated. >>Many thanks, >> >>David >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Mon Sep 26 02:35:50 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:35:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DB26@mis-exchange.NECAU.NEC.COM.AU> Message-ID: MessageNo one answered me, so maybe you might know. Besides the belt, which I have run into as a problem too, what about the cam alignment procedure, does it ever get out of adjustment causing operation problems? ..might it be a good idea to check on it's calibration after changing the belt? It seems like a relatively simple adjustment. Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 3:42 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging I agree with Kannan,try the cam motor belt first. I just recently replaced the belt in my ZX9 because of the same problem and it's back in form. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2005 1:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt anyway should be checked Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: The RX-505 uses the classic transport and does not have the little idler tire. That is not to say that you won't have idler problems with the RX-505. It still does have a rubber idler that must be replaced periodically, but, the it will last many times longer than the one on the Sankyo transport. It sounds like you should replace the mode control belt. SJ --- Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might be > some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers inside? > Or > only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on > pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the > head > assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and > something starts wheezin g like an overstressed motor or rubber, > then at > half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and comes > down. > Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down > tape > play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come > down > the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the LEDs > are > back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No > obvious > troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. > > Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in > fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional > repair > be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service a > NAK. > > > K.-H. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Sep 26 02:46:43 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:46:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <43373485.6060308@snet.net> Message-ID: Not really: By brother, Peter, had the same concerns with his very expensive stereo system, including his beloved Nak 581. When his son was very small, he was simply kept away from things until he was old enough to learn not to touch. When he was a bit older Peter shared with him how rewarding the hobby is, showed him how things worked and told him that when he reached the age of 12 he would let him also use the stereo, with his help, but till then, he was not to touch becasue it was very delicate, etc. That was like a goal, sort of like learning to drive, on a smaller scale, and when he reached that age, he was allowed to learn more about how to actually make tape recordings, etc. So his son not only felt like he was a part of his fathers project, but learned to respect and gain an appreciation for fine stereo equipment and fine music. ...nothing was ever broken, except by Peter himself. :~) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system This may sound like heresy, but I taught my kids at about the age of three or so the basic procedures of operating CDs and such and made it very clear that the stereo was a delicate instrument and if they broke it they would pay in the form of having no music in the house and no new anything until daddy could pay for the repairs. By setting clear procedures and limits, they were empowered, responsible, and completely lacking in that desire to touch things that are forbidden. It is a little ironic that the only mishap I've had with the kit was due to my own error. Perhaps I've just been very lucky. Ed Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Yep, I wholeheartedly agree with that. Discipline needn't be cruel or >unreasonable, however children need to learn that there are consequences >when they behave badly. Trouble is at the young age they were (2 & 4) it >really means keeping an eye on the equipment all the time if you want to use >it whilst they are around and that isn't always easy. Perhaps I will leave >it a bit longer before I install the Naks into my system! > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Doane Hoag >Sent: 24 September 2005 18:00 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >Hi, Shaun: > >I think there is a BIG difference between small kids and grown >kids/teenagers, don't you? You can get all sorts of child proof locks for >small kids that you can attach to cabinet doors and drawers, which should >solve your problems, but "kids" large enough to circumvent these just need >to be taught not to touch. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Shaun Montgomery >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >Gary, > >I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my >video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did to >the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 head >Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home >made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this >was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a >wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > >First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi >components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is >possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control >presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > >I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have >bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear >of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only cost >£5!) but still reluctant to install it! > >Shaun >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com >Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > >Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough to >discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry >about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is >really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been >allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is >upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These babies >can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not ever >want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for >abuse. > >My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your system? >The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line that >has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that >would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. I've >been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that would >work without looking like a major cluge. > >So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What innovative >things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > >Gary > >PS: This boy somehow managed to bend the stylus on my Pickering cartridge at >a right angle a few years ago, so my concerns are not imagined! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Sep 26 03:58:04 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:58:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? Message-ID: Hello Doane! You wrote... >I've even used it to demagnetize steel tools.< I always before attemp to use any stell screwdrawer, on my stereo gear; I degauss it...for be safe!...Maybe I''m a little bit harebrained...!. Bottom line...Doane..you are right...keep back your vintage Akai...only if you think that maybe will NOT do the job well... do; as I do... after listen/record 10 both sides cassettes, degauss your Nak! Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:36:01 -0700 > > >Alex: >I have no intention of buying another one... if it works, don't fix it. :~) >This 38 year old(!) Akai unit was capable of demagnitizing my much larger >Teak and Sony reel to reel deck heads, so demagnetizing the small cassette >heads is a breeze for it. I can really feel the magnetic field as I slowley >rotate it near the heads. I've even used it to demagnetize steel tools. >Here's a jpg of it for everyone: http://rhoag.com/Forums/Akai_demag.jpg >It's >not very elegant looking like the Nak one, but it does work well. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 8:28 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > > >Dear Doane! > >If...you vintage Akai still working is suffices...don't spell money in >another one! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > >Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:09:30 -0700 > > > >I was also going to say that one good test of a head demagnetizer's > >strength > >(with out subjecting it to a gauze meter) is simply whether you can > >physically feel it working. As you get a strong one near the heads you >can > >actually feel the field interacting with the metal, whereas on a week one > >you will hardly notice it. > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:04 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > > > > > >Hi Marc! > > > >I saw the photo...it's write "Sold"...I own exactly the same 220 volts! I > >brought together with my first Nak a 1000/2 during 1978... as I have in > >total 3 demagnetizers, this particular one I loan to a friend...today I > >relay on "THE ULTIMATE" one...R-B-Annis.. also ordered 220 volts. It's in >a > >simple manner THE BEST DEMAGNETIZER TODAY IN THE WHOLE WORLD...period! > > > >Happy Listening, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Marc Denis > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "...just like the Nakamichi DM-10...."? > > >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0400 > > > > > >At 22:30 09/22/2005, you wrote: > > >>Dear Friends, > > >> > > >>I don't know whether this has been discussed here before, but I'm > > >>wondering if the seller's claim for this eBay item, which seems to be > > >>a regular feature, is for real. Anybody know? > > >> > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > >>ViewItem&item=5810310214&fromMakeTrack=true > > > > > >Looks somewhat similar but definitely not the same. See picture of > >original > > >here. > > > > > >http://www.audioscope.net/product_info.php?products_id=261&language=en > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< doane.vcf >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 12:40:49 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 03:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050926104049.32302.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI You also need to look at service manual along the way to get answers - since one of our member is actaully allowing download of few service manuals. The answer to your question can be easily found. kannan Doane Hoag wrote: No one answered me, so maybe you might know. Besides the belt, which I have run into as a problem too, what about the cam alignment procedure, does it ever get out of adjustment causing operation problems? ..might it be a good idea to check on it's calibration after changing the belt? It seems like a relatively simple adjustment. Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 3:42 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging I agree with Kannan,try the cam motor belt first. I just recently replaced the belt in my ZX9 because of the same problem and it's back in form. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2005 1:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging I also suspect pinch rollar / tape guide block freezing on the shaft. Normal in old transport along with Cam mode gear belt. First the belt anyway should be checked Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: The RX-505 uses the classic transport and does not have the little idler tire. That is not to say that you won't have idler problems with the RX-505. It still does have a rubber idler that must be replaced periodically, but, the it will last many times longer than the one on the Sankyo transport. It sounds like you should replace the mode control belt. SJ --- Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > Hi, > > my RX505 starts misbehaving a little. At first I though it might be > some idlers wearing out (Do RX505 have that infamous idlers inside? > Or > only the lower RX numbers?). Anyway, just now I realized that on > pressing play it's not lack of tape tension but it looks like the > head > assembly struggles to come down. It starts easy, slows down and > something starts wheezin g like an overstressed motor or rubber, > then at > half way it almost stops then slips over the worst point and comes > down. > Takes at least a second, sometimes longer. Once the head is down > tape > play starts and all is ok. Also, while the head struggles to come > down > the CUE LED halfway comes on. Once the head is on the tape the LEDs > are > back to normal. Stop operates normal, tape FF/REV is normal. No > obvious > troubles with flow/wutter or tape azimuth. > > Any ideas? Anything I could try myself (Not very practiced in > fine mechanics but not clumsy either) or might some professional > repair > be necessary? I might still find a shop in Munich who can service a > NAK. > > > K.-H. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thanks in advance, -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 26 16:10:35 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:10:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4338015B.7080002@rcn.com> I've always been deferential to type II tapes. In particular, I like Maxell XL-II and TDK SA and have a bunch of these, recorded, in my collection. Many were recorded on my previous decks (700, 582) and the rest, on my current CR-7a. I also have a small stock of XL-II and XL-IIS for future recording. For special recordings, where the source is 'difficult' or of particularly high quality, I use metal tapes; mostly, TDK MA. As to length, most are 90, with some 100, 110 and 120. I dislike the 60 tapes -- too limiting. -- Ron From rob at rhoag.com Mon Sep 26 16:21:38 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:21:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that some Naks main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them turned on as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated bearings and parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know about the other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want to leave them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! Hi David! My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's cool! (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, Happy Listening, ALEX! >From: "David Edwards" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 > >Hello all, >I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf with >the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >and side to side symmetry. > >They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable amount >of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, not >have them on top of one another. > >The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden amplifier >next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm >your hands on in the winter. >This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >corner of the room. > >Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just my >two? (Very worrying if so). > >What about long term equipment performance and life span? >Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >actively cool them? > >Any comments appreciated. >Many thanks, > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have thought about Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, Flac, and APE but with hard drive space so cheap I would like to keep all my music uncompressed in the least proprietary format I know. I want however my music to be filed in something like the following directory structure. genre/artist/album/song title 'genre' is not absolutely necessary, but would be nice. Each track I would like named in a similar (but not identical) order such as: artist/album/tracknumber/trackname Once I have everything ripped how I would like it, I would then like to make a parallel catalog of my music in a compressed format such as mp3 complete with id3 tags that my ipod, slimp3 and so on are likely to understand. The reason I want uncompressed and compressed is that I don't want to rip twice and figure once I have a lossless master copy, as ipod storage and what nots go up or compressed codecs improve, I can re-encode from my master wave files in one long batch. Here is where it (for me, anyway) gets complicated. I want to rip once with, say, EAC, by just feeding in cds all day. I then want to set up a batch to convert everything to mp3s (or aacs, I am not bothered) with all the ID3 information PRESERVED. Then I can just inhale this into my ipod and have the pleasure of browsing by genre, artist and what have you. With a master file in wav, I can then, eventually, build myself a music server with a decent dac. What's the best way to do this with the fewest steps? I tried itunes, but it either didn't or couldn't put the id3 information into either the wav files themselves (I assume this can be done, but I am not sure) so that this information would appear in the mp3s. I would also quite like nested directories. The only program I know this is MusicMatch, which I find a bit unweildy and rather a computer hog. Am I asking too much? Am I making a mistaking trying to just rip once? Can Id3 tags be embedded into wavs. Or would I be better to go with a lossless codec? Can Itunes be made to convert wave files to mp3s without just putting the uncompressed files on to the ipods limited storage as so far has been the case. What am I missing? What's the miracle software I need? You can send your replies directly to me and I'll forward them: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Cheers Gra' > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Sep 26 18:17:41 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:17:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Doane! Yes I completely agree! I received my Dragon a year ago, and was "Boxed"...since 1984 when the original owner brought it from Switzerland of course factory wired for Europe/Israel 220, record & play ONE TDK SA-X 100, and boxed again, when he pass away last year he ask to today's widow to give to me the deck in his memory...I play mostly once a week 2 both sides cassettes...for keeping running in good shape! Still lovely...till...??? Regards, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:21:38 -0700 > > >Alex: >Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that some Naks >main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. >My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them turned >on >as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated bearings and >parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know about >the >other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want to >leave >them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > > >Hi David! > >My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's >cool! >(From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it >OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, > >Happy Listening, > >ALEX! > > > > > >From: "David Edwards" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] Heat! > >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 > > > >Hello all, > >I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are > >in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf >with > >the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). > >The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical > >and side to side symmetry. > > > >They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >amount > >of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, >not > >have them on top of one another. > > > >The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >amplifier > >next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm > >your hands on in the winter. > >This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot > >corner of the room. > > > >Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just >my > >two? (Very worrying if so). > > > >What about long term equipment performance and life span? > >Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to > >actively cool them? > > > >Any comments appreciated. > >Many thanks, > > > >David > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Mon Sep 26 20:24:02 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:24:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509251128.j8PBSY0B029512@zxe.naks.com> References: <200509251128.j8PBSY0B029512@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <41CA500A-FCA1-41EF-ABBF-42B6EA4D698C@mac.com> As a teenager who loved to play the stereo really loud, I can tell you the approach my father used was simply education and personal responsibility. He taught me about electronics and how they worked. My first hi-fi was a heathkit integrated amp I built myself. I bought and/or built my own hi-fi for all of my teen years. Doing the research, building and purchasing gave me respect for my system and taught me the difference between use and abuse. Since I had so much of my own time and money invested in the system, I loved it and babied it (and played it loud with great satisfaction). So, again, not to try and tell you how to raise your kids, but if it were me I'd spend a little time on ebay with the boy, pick up some nice just-a-little-broken vintage stuff and teach him how to fix it! Perhaps an old Nak that needs a new idler tire would be a good place to start and then he would have a tape deck which, in itself, is a great way to learn about circuits, signal strength, frequency, etc. Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding hair into my Naks' cassette wells... On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:28 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Shaun Montgomery > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > Gary, > > I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have > found my > video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what > that did to > the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off > my 3 head > Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my > home > made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. > Admittedly this > was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a > wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > > First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi > components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether > it is > possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control > presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > > I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. > I have > bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it > for fear > of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 > (only cost > £5!) but still reluctant to install it! > > Shaun > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > > Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just > enough to > discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to > worry > about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The > oldest is > really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has > been > allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is > upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. > These babies > can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do > not ever > want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant > for > abuse. > > My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > system? > The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power > line that > has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be > something that > would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo > cabinet. I've > been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything > that would > work without looking like a major cluge. > > So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > innovative > things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Sep 26 20:43:38 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 In-Reply-To: <4337e3ca.01446c81.435a.120f@mx.gmail.com> References: <4337e3ca.01446c81.435a.120f@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4338415A.7050005@woods-and-waters.com> Try Quantegy 472. The lowest distortion of any tape I've tested recently and much cleaner sounding than CURRENT PRODUCTION TDK, Maxell, or Sony. Willem-Jochem Nieuwdorp wrote: > Hi, > > > > I was wondering which tapes are the best for a Nakamichi deck. Currently > I am using Maxell XL II tapes, which sound great and TDK MA’s which are > reasonable. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 26 21:06:50 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:06:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process In-Reply-To: <002701c5c2b3$a13ea920$14a387d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000701c5c2cd$749d0960$7300a8c0@Shaun> Gra, Have you tried ripping to mp3 at 320Kbps? To my ears they sound pretty damned good. Wimdows Media Player 10 can rip to mp3 at that bit rate(I have installed the free Radium mp3 codec). It saves the files as the named tracks into an Album labelled directory which shows a picture of the album if it can find it from it's database. Of course the ID3 tag is also created as well. A five minute track works out at about 11/12 Mb. The same wav file would be about 50Mb The whole process is a piece of cake to boot. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 26 September 2005 17:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process Guys A slightly off-topic question is coming up, and it's not even for me but for a friend, a sometime hi fi journalist, who has a problem that I thought some of you more digital recording experts may be able to answer. This is his question: I have a question which I know there is a simple solution to but has so far eluded me. This is what I want to do. (I don't know why it should be so hard to do, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do it in less than a dozen steps per disc.) I first want to rip all my cds to hard disk in .wav format. I have thought about Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, Flac, and APE but with hard drive space so cheap I would like to keep all my music uncompressed in the least proprietary format I know. I want however my music to be filed in something like the following directory structure. genre/artist/album/song title 'genre' is not absolutely necessary, but would be nice. Each track I would like named in a similar (but not identical) order such as: artist/album/tracknumber/trackname Once I have everything ripped how I would like it, I would then like to make a parallel catalog of my music in a compressed format such as mp3 complete with id3 tags that my ipod, slimp3 and so on are likely to understand. The reason I want uncompressed and compressed is that I don't want to rip twice and figure once I have a lossless master copy, as ipod storage and what nots go up or compressed codecs improve, I can re-encode from my master wave files in one long batch. Here is where it (for me, anyway) gets complicated. I want to rip once with, say, EAC, by just feeding in cds all day. I then want to set up a batch to convert everything to mp3s (or aacs, I am not bothered) with all the ID3 information PRESERVED. Then I can just inhale this into my ipod and have the pleasure of browsing by genre, artist and what have you. With a master file in wav, I can then, eventually, build myself a music server with a decent dac. What's the best way to do this with the fewest steps? I tried itunes, but it either didn't or couldn't put the id3 information into either the wav files themselves (I assume this can be done, but I am not sure) so that this information would appear in the mp3s. I would also quite like nested directories. The only program I know this is MusicMatch, which I find a bit unweildy and rather a computer hog. Am I asking too much? Am I making a mistaking trying to just rip once? Can Id3 tags be embedded into wavs. Or would I be better to go with a lossless codec? Can Itunes be made to convert wave files to mp3s without just putting the uncompressed files on to the ipods limited storage as so far has been the case. What am I missing? What's the miracle software I need? You can send your replies directly to me and I'll forward them: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Cheers Gra' > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kh1 at khherrmann.de Mon Sep 26 21:18:20 2005 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:18:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 -- head assembly slow in engaging In-Reply-To: <20050926104049.32302.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050926104049.32302.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050926211820.18510842.kh1@khherrmann.de> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 03:40:49 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > HI > You also need to look at service manual along the way to get answers - > since one of our member is actaully allowing download of few service > manuals. The answer to your question can be easily found. RX505 service manual is there -- scanned it myself and sent it to Tomas. I got it quite a while back from the german manual source, just didn't dare going into adjustments without proper tools. I also just came back so I'll take a peek at the CAM belt sometime tihs week, then I can report progress. K.-H. From rob at rhoag.com Mon Sep 26 22:39:35 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:39:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 In-Reply-To: <4338415A.7050005@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit: Isn't that the same as Ampex? I'm not familiar with it? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:44 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 Try Quantegy 472. The lowest distortion of any tape I've tested recently and much cleaner sounding than CURRENT PRODUCTION TDK, Maxell, or Sony. Willem-Jochem Nieuwdorp wrote: > Hi, > > > > I was wondering which tapes are the best for a Nakamichi deck. Currently > I am using Maxell XL II tapes, which sound great and TDK MA’s which are > reasonable. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 26 22:57:53 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:57:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process In-Reply-To: <000701c5c2cd$749d0960$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <003101c5c2dc$f6d6e7c0$3cca87d9@oemcomputer> Thanks for this advice, Shaun - I'll pass it on to my friend but I think he's very keen on preserving the data in ID3, as well as creating the same in MP3. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 26 September 2005 20:07 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process > > > Gra, > > Have you tried ripping to mp3 at 320Kbps? To my ears they sound pretty > damned good. Wimdows Media Player 10 can rip to mp3 at that bit > rate(I have > installed the free Radium mp3 codec). It saves the files as the > named tracks > into an Album labelled directory which shows a picture of the album if it > can find it from it's database. Of course the ID3 tag is also created as > well. A five minute track works out at about 11/12 Mb. The same wav file > would be about 50Mb > > The whole process is a piece of cake to boot. > > Shaun > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 26 23:58:32 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43386F08.8090500@rcn.com> You are right, decks whose capstan motor runs continuously should not be left on. However, the problem is not motor wear, but the capstan sleeve bearings. Due to frictional heat, they dry out, requiring service (meaning, removing the capstans and re-lubricating. I have had this problem with my CR-7 and learned to switch off as soon as the tape is done playing. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Alex: > Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that some Naks > main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. > My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them turned on > as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated bearings and > parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know about the > other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want to leave > them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > > > Hi David! > > My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's cool! > (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it > OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, > > Happy Listening, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "David Edwards" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: >>Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >> >>Hello all, >>I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >>in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf with >>the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >>and side to side symmetry. >> >>They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable amount >>of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, not >>have them on top of one another. >> >>The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden amplifier >>next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm >>your hands on in the winter. >>This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>corner of the room. >> >>Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just my >>two? (Very worrying if so). >> >>What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >>actively cool them? >> >>Any comments appreciated. >>Many thanks, >> >>David From rciubuc at hotmail.com Tue Sep 27 01:19:17 2005 From: rciubuc at hotmail.com (radu ciubuc) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:19:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes fo Nakamichi Message-ID: I found the quantegy 472 to be better than any Maxell or TDK on my Dragon/Zx7 .The nice thing is that you can buy them on line for about$1.8 each.It worth any penny! Try it and tell your impressions.Radu From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 04:16:30 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <4338415A.7050005@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050927021630.14612.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi , My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Try Quantegy 472. The lowest distortion of any tape I've tested recently and much cleaner sounding than CURRENT PRODUCTION TDK, Maxell, or Sony. Willem-Jochem Nieuwdorp wrote: > Hi, > > > > I was wondering which tapes are the best for a Nakamichi deck. Currently > I am using Maxell XL II tapes, which sound great and TDK MA’s which are > reasonable. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 27 04:26:15 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 02:26:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <41CA500A-FCA1-41EF-ABBF-42B6EA4D698C@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred! You wrote... >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding hair >into my Naks' cassette wells... I have the same problem...! Ok...Fred we wait for some "Cute" inputs...I hope! ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:24:02 -0700 > >As a teenager who loved to play the stereo really loud, I can tell you the >approach my father used was simply education and personal responsibility. >He taught me about electronics and how they worked. My first hi-fi was a >heathkit integrated amp I built myself. I bought and/or built my own hi-fi >for all of my teen years. Doing the research, building and purchasing gave >me respect for my system and taught me the difference between use and >abuse. Since I had so much of my own time and money invested in the >system, I loved it and babied it (and played it loud with great >satisfaction). > >So, again, not to try and tell you how to raise your kids, but if it were >me I'd spend a little time on ebay with the boy, pick up some nice >just-a-little-broken vintage stuff and teach him how to fix it! Perhaps >an old Nak that needs a new idler tire would be a good place to start and >then he would have a tape deck which, in itself, is a great way to learn >about circuits, signal strength, frequency, etc. > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding hair >into my Naks' cassette wells... > >On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:28 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >>Of >>Shaun Montgomery >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM >>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system >> >> >>Gary, >> >>I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my >>video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did >>to >>the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 >>head >>Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home >>made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this >>was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a >>wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. >> >>First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi >>components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is >>possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control >>presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. >> >>I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have >>bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for >>fear >>of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only >>cost >>�5!) but still reluctant to install it! >> >>Shaun >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>Behalf >>Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com >>Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system >> >> >> >>Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just enough >>to >>discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am beginning to worry >>about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. The oldest is >>really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system he has been >>allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is >>upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of Klipschorns. These >>babies >>can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I have. I do not >>ever >>want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a penchant for >>abuse. >> >>My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your >>system? >>The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main power line >>that >>has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be something that >>would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my stereo cabinet. >>I've >>been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found anything that >>would >>work without looking like a major cluge. >> >>So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What >>innovative >>things have you done to avoid system meltdown? >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 27 04:52:34 2005 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:52:34 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] NAD 6125 Message-ID: <006f01c5c30e$82fd1630$901798de@tec> Was the NAD 6125 one of the Nak transport based off-brand decks? 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URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Sep 27 09:19:07 2005 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927021630.14612.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050927071907.023852522A@smtp.amb.org> Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti From ktl at bornet.net Tue Sep 27 09:14:31 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:14:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dog poison. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:26 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system > > > Hi Fred! > > You wrote... > > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding > >hair > >into my Naks' cassette wells... > > I have the same problem...! Ok...Fred we wait for some "Cute" > inputs...I > hope! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Fred Lifton > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system > >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:24:02 -0700 > > > >As a teenager who loved to play the stereo really loud, I > can tell you > >the > >approach my father used was simply education and personal > responsibility. > >He taught me about electronics and how they worked. My > first hi-fi was a > >heathkit integrated amp I built myself. I bought and/or > built my own hi-fi > >for all of my teen years. Doing the research, building and > purchasing gave > >me respect for my system and taught me the difference > between use and > >abuse. Since I had so much of my own time and money invested in the > >system, I loved it and babied it (and played it loud with great > >satisfaction). > > > >So, again, not to try and tell you how to raise your kids, > but if it > >were > >me I'd spend a little time on ebay with the boy, pick up some nice > >just-a-little-broken vintage stuff and teach him how to fix > it! Perhaps > >an old Nak that needs a new idler tire would be a good place > to start and > >then he would have a tape deck which, in itself, is a great > way to learn > >about circuits, signal strength, frequency, etc. > > > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding > >hair > >into my Naks' cassette wells... > > > >On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:28 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>Behalf > >>Of > >>Shaun Montgomery > >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM > >>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > >> > >> > >>Gary, > >> > >>I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I > have found > >>my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can > imagine what > >>that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover > >>pulled off my 3 head > >>Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers > pulled ogg my home > >>made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. > Admittedly this > >>was done by quite young children but the consequences are > the same, a > >>wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > >> > >>First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if > the hi-fi > >>components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder > whether > >>it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's > >>control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > >> > >>I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young > children. I > >>have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not > installed > >>it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even > >>bought a BX-2 (only cost > >>£5!) but still reluctant to install it! > >> > >>Shaun > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >>Behalf > >>Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > >>Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > >> > >> > >> > >>Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just > >>enough > >>to > >>discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am > beginning to worry > >>about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. > The oldest is > >>really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system > he has been > >>allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is > >>upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of > Klipschorns. These > >>babies > >>can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I > have. I do not > >>ever > >>want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a > penchant for > >>abuse. > >> > >>My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > >>system? > >>The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main > power line > >>that > >>has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be > something that > >>would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my > stereo cabinet. > >>I've > >>been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found > anything that > >>would > >>work without looking like a major cluge. > >> > >>So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > >>innovative > >>things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > >> > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 27 09:29:13 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:29:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process In-Reply-To: <003101c5c2dc$f6d6e7c0$3cca87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c5c335$2a1b1c70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Gra', The ID3 tag is saved into the mp3 when it is created when the CD is ripped. That's why it is so easy. As soon as you click on the Rip button it searches it's database for the album and when it finds it it creates the ID3 tag and includes it in the saved MP3 file. It's all there, Track name, number etc. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 26 September 2005 21:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process Thanks for this advice, Shaun - I'll pass it on to my friend but I think he's very keen on preserving the data in ID3, as well as creating the same in MP3. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 26 September 2005 20:07 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process > > > Gra, > > Have you tried ripping to mp3 at 320Kbps? To my ears they sound pretty > damned good. Wimdows Media Player 10 can rip to mp3 at that bit rate(I > have installed the free Radium mp3 codec). It saves the files as the > named tracks > into an Album labelled directory which shows a picture of the album if it > can find it from it's database. Of course the ID3 tag is also created as > well. A five minute track works out at about 11/12 Mb. The same wav file > would be about 50Mb > > The whole process is a piece of cake to boot. > > Shaun > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 27 10:45:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:45:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Hi Ron! I just sit back, to response this mail; after checking in my lovely Dragon...and you are 100% right...as I press the Power upper bottom, the two steel capstan begun to rotate...so I JUST learn...as I finish to record or listen a cassette, turn off as soon as possible so the wear will be minimally...Thanks so much Ron! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0400 > > >You are right, decks whose capstan motor runs >continuously should not be left on. However, >the problem is not motor wear, but the capstan >sleeve bearings. Due to frictional heat, they >dry out, requiring service (meaning, removing >the capstans and re-lubricating. I have had >this problem with my CR-7 and learned to >switch off as soon as the tape is done >playing. > >-- Ron > > > >Doane Hoag wrote: >>Alex: >>Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that some >>Naks >>main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. >>My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them turned >>on >>as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated bearings >>and >>parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know about >>the >>other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want to >>leave >>them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Alex Cozac >>Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >> >> >>Hi David! >> >>My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's >>cool! >>(From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it >>OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, >> >>Happy Listening, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "David Edwards" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: >>>Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >>> >>>Hello all, >>>I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >>>in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf >>>with >>>the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>>The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >>>and side to side symmetry. >>> >>>They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >>>amount >>>of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, >>>not >>>have them on top of one another. >>> >>>The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >>>amplifier >>>next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm >>>your hands on in the winter. >>>This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>>corner of the room. >>> >>>Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just >>>my >>>two? (Very worrying if so). >>> >>>What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>>Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >>>actively cool them? >>> >>>Any comments appreciated. >>>Many thanks, >>> >>>David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 12:57:53 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927071907.023852522A@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20050927105753.25832.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to do with motion sensing. Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Sep 27 13:25:01 2005 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:25:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <43386F08.8090500@rcn.com> References: <43386F08.8090500@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43392C0D.5010705@snet.net> I apologize if I'm mistaken, but is this the same Ron who was a regular contributer some years ago. If so, then welcome back to the club. I really enjoyed some of the discussions that would ensue between you and Stephen Sank back in the day. Ed Ron wrote: > > You are right, decks whose capstan motor runs > continuously should not be left on. However, > the problem is not motor wear, but the capstan > sleeve bearings. Due to frictional heat, they > dry out, requiring service (meaning, removing > the capstans and re-lubricating. I have had > this problem with my CR-7 and learned to > switch off as soon as the tape is done > playing. > > -- Ron > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Alex: >> Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that >> some Naks >> main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. >> My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them >> turned on >> as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated >> bearings and >> parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know >> about the >> other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want >> to leave >> them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >> >> >> Hi David! >> >> My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's >> it's cool! >> (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it >> OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, >> >> Happy Listening, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: "David Edwards" >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: >>> Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >>> >>> Hello all, >>> I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. >>> They are >>> in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower >>> shelf with >>> the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>> The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful >>> vertical >>> and side to side symmetry. >>> >>> They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >>> amount >>> of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That >>> is, not >>> have them on top of one another. >>> >>> The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >>> amplifier >>> next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can >>> warm >>> your hands on in the winter. >>> This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>> corner of the room. >>> >>> Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it >>> just my >>> two? (Very worrying if so). >>> >>> What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>> Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be >>> trying to >>> actively cool them? >>> >>> Any comments appreciated. >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> David >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 27 11:52:25 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:52:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system Message-ID: Dear Tomas! You are insane!!!! I vacuum 3 times at day my whole equipment! ALEX! >From: "Tomas Larsson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system >Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:14:31 +0200 > >Dog poison. > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:26 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system > > > > > > Hi Fred! > > > > You wrote... > > > > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding > > >hair > > >into my Naks' cassette wells... > > > > I have the same problem...! Ok...Fred we wait for some "Cute" > > inputs...I > > hope! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Fred Lifton > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system > > >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:24:02 -0700 > > > > > >As a teenager who loved to play the stereo really loud, I > > can tell you > > >the > > >approach my father used was simply education and personal > > responsibility. > > >He taught me about electronics and how they worked. My > > first hi-fi was a > > >heathkit integrated amp I built myself. I bought and/or > > built my own hi-fi > > >for all of my teen years. Doing the research, building and > > purchasing gave > > >me respect for my system and taught me the difference > > between use and > > >abuse. Since I had so much of my own time and money invested in the > > >system, I loved it and babied it (and played it loud with great > > >satisfaction). > > > > > >So, again, not to try and tell you how to raise your kids, > > but if it > > >were > > >me I'd spend a little time on ebay with the boy, pick up some nice > > >just-a-little-broken vintage stuff and teach him how to fix > > it! Perhaps > > >an old Nak that needs a new idler tire would be a good place > > to start and > > >then he would have a tape deck which, in itself, is a great > > way to learn > > >about circuits, signal strength, frequency, etc. > > > > > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding > > >hair > > >into my Naks' cassette wells... > > > > > >On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:28 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >>Behalf > > >>Of > > >>Shaun Montgomery > > >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM > > >>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >> > > >> > > >>Gary, > > >> > > >>I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I > > have found > > >>my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can > > imagine what > > >>that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover > > >>pulled off my 3 head > > >>Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers > > pulled ogg my home > > >>made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. > > Admittedly this > > >>was done by quite young children but the consequences are > > the same, a > > >>wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > > >> > > >>First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if > > the hi-fi > > >>components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder > > whether > > >>it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's > > >>control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > > >> > > >>I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young > > children. I > > >>have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not > > installed > > >>it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even > > >>bought a BX-2 (only cost > > >>�5!) but still reluctant to install it! > > >> > > >>Shaun > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >>Behalf > > >>Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > > >>Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just > > >>enough > > >>to > > >>discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am > > beginning to worry > > >>about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. > > The oldest is > > >>really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system > > he has been > > >>allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is > > >>upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of > > Klipschorns. These > > >>babies > > >>can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I > > have. I do not > > >>ever > > >>want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a > > penchant for > > >>abuse. > > >> > > >>My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > > >>system? > > >>The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main > > power line > > >>that > > >>has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be > > something that > > >>would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my > > stereo cabinet. > > >>I've > > >>been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found > > anything that > > >>would > > >>work without looking like a major cluge. > > >> > > >>So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > > >>innovative > > >>things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======== From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 27 12:17:57 2005 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:17:57 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] belt catalogue References: <000c01c5c176$adab17e0$48ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <080601c5c34c$bbc66780$fc6065da@vurt> Drive Belt list at http://www.kenselectronics.com/lists/belts.htm and downloadable catalogue at http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Loud 138 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] belt catalogue Hello- I'm looking for a catalogue or guide which specifies all belts for cassette decks. I've seen them at electronics shops. They also show idler tires etc... Does anyone have one to sell? Or what would I search as key words on Ebay? I would really appreciate some help! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 21/09/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 27 14:50:45 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:50:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927114557.26033.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050927114557.26033.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43394025.8020100@rcn.com> Kannan beat me to it... Could be a speed sensor problem (the small PCB sitting behind the right hub), but could also be a control motor problem. If the latter, it is far more common for the motor to develop 'dead spots' than for the motor electronics to go bad. If it's the motor, it can be rebuilt (90% chance of success, depending on condition) or has to be replaced. In either case, the motor has to be removed -- something that I would not recommend to the inexperienced, unless they are technically very competent. Good luck, -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how do I fix this > problem? Is it a driver transistor issue? > > Bala > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ > black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you > learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive > to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to > do with motion sensing. > Bala > your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 > Kannan > > */Ti Kan /* wrote: > > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped > responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle > moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took > the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber > belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given > way. Could this be a reason? > > Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop > mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. > > -Ti > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 27 14:55:47 2005 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:55:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process In-Reply-To: <001301c5c335$2a1b1c70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <002201c5c362$c8004780$4ba887d9@oemcomputer> Shaun Ah, I see (said the blind man!) I didn't understand what the ID3 was. But I think what he wants to do is create copies at the highest possible rates of conversion, so it is loss-less and create MP3 files from these. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 27 September 2005 08:29 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process > > > Gra', > > The ID3 tag is saved into the mp3 when it is created when the CD > is ripped. > That's why it is so easy. As soon as you click on the Rip button > it searches > it's database for the album and when it finds it it creates the > ID3 tag and > includes it in the saved MP3 file. It's all there, Track name, number etc. > > Shaun > > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 27 16:01:25 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:01:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process In-Reply-To: <002201c5c362$c8004780$4ba887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c5c36b$f4586d40$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well, that's going to be a long job, a very long job if he wants to save all the tracks as wav files as these don't contain an ID3 tag (as far as I know). Windows Media Player does have a lossless compression alternative in it's WMA format, but there again this is still proprietary and I haven't tested that yet, perhaps I will this afternoon. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 27 September 2005 13:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process Shaun Ah, I see (said the blind man!) I didn't understand what the ID3 was. But I think what he wants to do is create copies at the highest possible rates of conversion, so it is loss-less and create MP3 files from these. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 27 September 2005 08:29 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process > > > Gra', > > The ID3 tag is saved into the mp3 when it is created when the CD is > ripped. That's why it is so easy. As soon as you click on the Rip > button it searches > it's database for the album and when it finds it it creates the > ID3 tag and > includes it in the saved MP3 file. It's all there, Track name, number etc. > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 27 16:22:23 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:22:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: NOT "cute" or funny.. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:15 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system Dog poison. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:26 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system > > > Hi Fred! > > You wrote... > > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding > >hair > >into my Naks' cassette wells... > > I have the same problem...! Ok...Fred we wait for some "Cute" > inputs...I > hope! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Fred Lifton > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: locking up the audio system > >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:24:02 -0700 > > > >As a teenager who loved to play the stereo really loud, I > can tell you > >the > >approach my father used was simply education and personal > responsibility. > >He taught me about electronics and how they worked. My > first hi-fi was a > >heathkit integrated amp I built myself. I bought and/or > built my own hi-fi > >for all of my teen years. Doing the research, building and > purchasing gave > >me respect for my system and taught me the difference > between use and > >abuse. Since I had so much of my own time and money invested in the > >system, I loved it and babied it (and played it loud with great > >satisfaction). > > > >So, again, not to try and tell you how to raise your kids, > but if it > >were > >me I'd spend a little time on ebay with the boy, pick up some nice > >just-a-little-broken vintage stuff and teach him how to fix > it! Perhaps > >an old Nak that needs a new idler tire would be a good place > to start and > >then he would have a tape deck which, in itself, is a great > way to learn > >about circuits, signal strength, frequency, etc. > > > >Now, if a list member can tell me how to stop my dogs from shedding > >hair > >into my Naks' cassette wells... > > > >On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:28 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >>Behalf > >>Of > >>Shaun Montgomery > >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:24 AM > >>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > >> > >> > >>Gary, > >> > >>I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I > have found > >>my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can > imagine what > >>that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover > >>pulled off my 3 head > >>Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers > pulled ogg my home > >>made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. > Admittedly this > >>was done by quite young children but the consequences are > the same, a > >>wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. > >> > >>First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if > the hi-fi > >>components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder > whether > >>it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's > >>control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. > >> > >>I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young > children. I > >>have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not > installed > >>it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even > >>bought a BX-2 (only cost > >>£5!) but still reluctant to install it! > >> > >>Shaun > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >>Behalf > >>Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com > >>Sent: 23 September 2005 17:05 > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > >> > >> > >> > >>Since I have a Nak in my system, hopefully this is on topic just > >>enough > >>to > >>discuss here. I have a couple of teenage boys and I am > beginning to worry > >>about them abusing my sound system while I am not around. > The oldest is > >>really starting to like his music loud. The low cost system > he has been > >>allowed to use is always cranked to it's loudest level. My system is > >>upstairs in the living room and includes a pair of > Klipschorns. These > >>babies > >>can rock the neighborhood with the 100 Watt amplifier I > have. I do not > >>ever > >>want them sent into clipping, but this boy seems to have a > penchant for > >>abuse. > >> > >>My question is, have any of you found a simple way to lock up your > >>system? > >>The easiest way seems to be some sort of switch in the main > power line > >>that > >>has some sort of lock. The next best, in my case, would be > something that > >>would lock the pair of glass doors on the front of my > stereo cabinet. > >>I've > >>been through my woodworking catalogs and haven't found > anything that > >>would > >>work without looking like a major cluge. > >> > >>So guys, I'm sure many of you have faced this issue before. What > >>innovative > >>things have you done to avoid system meltdown? > >> > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 16:39:52 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! - Ron welcome back In-Reply-To: <43392C0D.5010705@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050927143952.75050.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The same Ron - Hi Ron I am happy to hear your views - very invaluable - as well as Ed who lightens up his ebay sales talk. Naktalk was missing the old fire- Carlos. I am sorry - I am not having RE2 manual - otherwise I could be the first one to offer it to you, Kannan Edward Noyes wrote: I apologize if I'm mistaken, but is this the same Ron who was a regular contributer some years ago. If so, then welcome back to the club. I really enjoyed some of the discussions that would ensue between you and Stephen Sank back in the day. Ed Ron wrote: > > You are right, decks whose capstan motor runs > continuously should not be left on. However, > the problem is not motor wear, but the capstan > sleeve bearings. Due to frictional heat, they > dry out, requiring service (meaning, removing > the capstans and re-lubricating. I have had > this problem with my CR-7 and learned to > switch off as soon as the tape is done > playing. > > -- Ron > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Alex: >> Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that >> some Naks >> main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. >> My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them >> turned on >> as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated >> bearings and >> parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know >> about the >> other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want >> to leave >> them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >> >> >> Hi David! >> >> My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's >> it's cool! >> (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it >> OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, >> >> Happy Listening, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: "David Edwards" >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: >>> Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >>> >>> Hello all, >>> I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. >>> They are >>> in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower >>> shelf with >>> the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>> The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful >>> vertical >>> and side to side symmetry. >>> >>> They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >>> amount >>> of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That >>> is, not >>> have them on top of one another. >>> >>> The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >>> amplifier >>> next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can >>> warm >>> your hands on in the winter. >>> This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>> corner of the room. >>> >>> Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it >>> just my >>> two? (Very worrying if so). >>> >>> What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>> Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be >>> trying to >>> actively cool them? >>> >>> Any comments appreciated. >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> David >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 16:41:57 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927114557.26033.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050927144157.23969.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron had answered - the motor is the issue - needs opening and removing the deadspot - I am not very happy about the process or spend 50$ + for a new one from B&W Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor issue? Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to do with motion sensing. Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I wish some one would answer me about the cam calibration adjustment that I have asked about several times... can it also cause this problem? And does it ever get out of adjustment and cause problems? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue Hi Kannan, Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor issue? Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to do with motion sensing. Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: Yes, that's why I turn my ZX7 off if I'm not using it, but besides the capstan sleeve bearings wear, as Ron pointed out, you do also have wear on the main motor drive belt and all it's associated mechanics, like I first pointed out, but that just all goes together, so turning it off seems like a good idea. So even the Dragon does this? It has something to do with quick engaging into play in that transport design, but I wonder how they got around the problem in the LX5? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! Hi Ron! I just sit back, to response this mail; after checking in my lovely Dragon...and you are 100% right...as I press the Power upper bottom, the two steel capstan begun to rotate...so I JUST learn...as I finish to record or listen a cassette, turn off as soon as possible so the wear will be minimally...Thanks so much Ron! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0400 > > >You are right, decks whose capstan motor runs >continuously should not be left on. However, >the problem is not motor wear, but the capstan >sleeve bearings. Due to frictional heat, they >dry out, requiring service (meaning, removing >the capstans and re-lubricating. I have had >this problem with my CR-7 and learned to >switch off as soon as the tape is done >playing. > >-- Ron > > > >Doane Hoag wrote: >>Alex: >>Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that some >>Naks >>main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. >>My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them turned >>on >>as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated bearings >>and >>parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know about >>the >>other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want to >>leave >>them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Alex Cozac >>Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >> >> >>Hi David! >> >>My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's >>cool! >>(From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it >>OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, >> >>Happy Listening, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "David Edwards" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: >>>Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >>> >>>Hello all, >>>I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >>>in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf >>>with >>>the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>>The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >>>and side to side symmetry. >>> >>>They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >>>amount >>>of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, >>>not >>>have them on top of one another. >>> >>>The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >>>amplifier >>>next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm >>>your hands on in the winter. >>>This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>>corner of the room. >>> >>>Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just >>>my >>>two? (Very worrying if so). >>> >>>What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>>Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >>>actively cool them? >>> >>>Any comments appreciated. >>>Many thanks, >>> >>>David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 16:54:53 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927144157.23969.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050927145453.61414.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm..I think I'll disassemble it. What is this deadspot and how do i Go about it generally? When I press rewind of ffwd, and touch the idler gear..its got no torque on it..so I was thinking the motor was not receivng any power. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron had answered - the motor is the issue - needs > opening and removing the deadspot - I am not very > happy about the process or spend 50$ + for a new one > from B&W > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how > do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor > issue? > > Bala > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools > have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the > gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is > connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep > the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - > nothing to do with motion sensing. > Bala > your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual > problems seen in CR7 > Kannan > > Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its > stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit > play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, > and FWD don't hold. When I took the front > compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small > rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion > detector has given way. Could this be a reason? > > Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, > the auto-stop > mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should > be well again. > > -Ti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Tue Sep 27 16:58:16 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:58:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <43386F08.8090500@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron: Didn't having the main motor running all the time on the ZX, Dragon and earlier series have something to do with enabling quick engagement into play, etc?.. and how did they get around it on the LX5, and I would guess, later decks? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:59 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! You are right, decks whose capstan motor runs continuously should not be left on. However, the problem is not motor wear, but the capstan sleeve bearings. Due to frictional heat, they dry out, requiring service (meaning, removing the capstans and re-lubricating. I have had this problem with my CR-7 and learned to switch off as soon as the tape is done playing. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Alex: > Besides heat, there is a wear problem to consider. I noticed that some Naks > main capstans motor runs all the time and some don't. > My brother's 581 and my ZX7 run all the time so I don't leave them turned on > as I think this puts mileage on that motor and it's associated bearings and > parts. My LX5 only runs when put into play mode, etc. I don't know about the > other models, but this might be a consideration to whether you want to leave > them on all the time, irregardless of the heat issue. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:54 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > > > Hi David! > > My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's cool! > (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never turn it > OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, > > Happy Listening, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "David Edwards" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: >>Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >> >>Hello all, >>I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They are >>in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower shelf with >>the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful vertical >>and side to side symmetry. >> >>They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable amount >>of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? That is, not >>have them on top of one another. >> >>The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden amplifier >>next month, which is designed to run hot and which I believe you can warm >>your hands on in the winter. >>This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>corner of the room. >> >>Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it just my >>two? (Very worrying if so). >> >>What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying to >>actively cool them? >> >>Any comments appreciated. >>Many thanks, >> >>David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 17:09:53 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927144157.23969.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050927150953.20053.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, Ok more accurately, the deck takes up slack when I close the cassette compartement. When I hit play, it jerks a little and then goes to stop. If i keep my hand on play, it does it repeatedly, though at a slow pace. when I turn it with my hands slowly, the motor is smooth and there is no feel of roughness or jammed bearings. When I hook on my multimeter, I get a impulse voltage when I hit play. During ffwd or rewind there is no voltage. The belt on the left hand spool as already been replaced, Ti. Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron had answered - the motor is the issue - needs > opening and removing the deadspot - I am not very > happy about the process or spend 50$ + for a new one > from B&W > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how > do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor > issue? > > Bala > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools > have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the > gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is > connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep > the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - > nothing to do with motion sensing. > Bala > your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual > problems seen in CR7 > Kannan > > Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its > stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit > play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, > and FWD don't hold. When I took the front > compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small > rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion > detector has given way. Could this be a reason? > > Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, > the auto-stop > mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should > be well again. > > -Ti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Does anyone know any good batch data entry programs for after you get your Nak cassettes converted to wav form? Or any good suggestions? Someone earlier had mentioned using CD Wave with cue sheets, and CDRcue http://www.dcsoft.com/products/cdrcue/ are there any other programs that look good and simplify doing this? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:29 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process Gra', The ID3 tag is saved into the mp3 when it is created when the CD is ripped. That's why it is so easy. As soon as you click on the Rip button it searches it's database for the album and when it finds it it creates the ID3 tag and includes it in the saved MP3 file. It's all there, Track name, number etc. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 26 September 2005 21:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process Thanks for this advice, Shaun - I'll pass it on to my friend but I think he's very keen on preserving the data in ID3, as well as creating the same in MP3. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 26 September 2005 20:07 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process > > > Gra, > > Have you tried ripping to mp3 at 320Kbps? To my ears they sound pretty > damned good. Wimdows Media Player 10 can rip to mp3 at that bit rate(I > have installed the free Radium mp3 codec). It saves the files as the > named tracks > into an Album labelled directory which shows a picture of the album if it > can find it from it's database. Of course the ID3 tag is also created as > well. A five minute track works out at about 11/12 Mb. The same wav file > would be about 50Mb > > The whole process is a piece of cake to boot. > > Shaun > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 17:46:25 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved In-Reply-To: <20050927144157.23969.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050927154625.3014.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys.. Ok forgive me for the slurry of mails..but I solved the problem. The worm gear and pinion were gummed up in the old grease..So I nudged it with my index finger, and it moved. Removed the old lube and replaced with fresh NSK LR3 grease. Its a urea based long life lubricant used in the automation industry. While at it, I have embossed the following names on my top flight decks: Dragon - As it is. 700ZXL - Phoenix 1000ZXL - Valkriye (when it works) CR7 - (suggestions any one?) Thanks and Cheers, Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron had answered - the motor is the issue - needs > opening and removing the deadspot - I am not very > happy about the process or spend 50$ + for a new one > from B&W > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how > do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor > issue? > > Bala > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools > have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the > gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is > connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep > the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - > nothing to do with motion sensing. > Bala > your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual > problems seen in CR7 > Kannan > > Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its > stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit > play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, > and FWD don't hold. When I took the front > compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small > rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion > detector has given way. Could this be a reason? > > Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, > the auto-stop > mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should > be well again. > > -Ti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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You can then title all your tracks in iTunes if they havn't got titles off the original cd when recording them, and you can also edit the genre of the music, how many discs in the album, the track number and the artist name. You can then sort them in iTunes according to any of these and then burn them to disc. Simple as that really. Hope this helps. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Trying to simplify a recording process > Guys > > A slightly off-topic question is coming up, and it's not even for me but > for > a friend, a sometime hi fi journalist, who has a problem that I thought > some > of you more digital recording experts may be able to answer. This is his > question: > > > I have a question which I know there is a simple solution to but has so > far > eluded me. > > This is what I want to do. (I don't know why it should be so hard to do, > but > I can't for the life of me figure out how to do it in less than a dozen > steps per disc.) > > I first want to rip all my cds to hard disk in .wav format. > > I have thought about Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, Flac, and APE but with > hard drive space so cheap I would like to keep all my music uncompressed > in > the least proprietary format I know. > > I want however my music to be filed in something like the following > directory structure. > genre/artist/album/song title > 'genre' is not absolutely necessary, but would be nice. > > Each track I would like named in a similar (but not identical) order such > as: > artist/album/tracknumber/trackname > > Once I have everything ripped how I would like it, I would then like to > make > a parallel catalog of my music in a compressed format such as mp3 complete > with id3 tags that my ipod, slimp3 and so on are likely to understand. > > The reason I want uncompressed and compressed is that I don't want to rip > twice and figure once I have a lossless master copy, as ipod storage and > what nots go up or compressed codecs improve, I can re-encode from my > master > wave files in one long batch. > > Here is where it (for me, anyway) gets complicated. > > I want to rip once with, say, EAC, by just feeding in cds all day. I then > want to set up a batch to convert everything to mp3s (or aacs, I am not > bothered) with all the ID3 information PRESERVED. Then I can just inhale > this into my ipod and have the pleasure of browsing by genre, artist and > what have you. > > With a master file in wav, I can then, eventually, build myself a music > server with a decent dac. > > What's the best way to do this with the fewest steps? > > I tried itunes, but it either didn't or couldn't put the id3 information > into either the wav files themselves (I assume this can be done, but I am > not sure) so that this information would appear in the mp3s. I would also > quite like nested directories. > > The only program I know this is MusicMatch, which I find a bit unweildy > and > rather a computer hog. > > Am I asking too much? Am I making a mistaking trying to just rip once? Can > Id3 tags be embedded into wavs. Or would I be better to go with a lossless > codec? Can Itunes be made to convert wave files to mp3s without just > putting > the uncompressed files on to the ipods limited storage as so far has been > the case. > > What am I missing? What's the miracle software I need? > > > You can send your replies directly to me and I'll forward them: > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > > Cheers > > Gra' > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Tue Sep 27 19:22:11 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:22:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509251129.j8PBSvA0029531@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: The extension cord would certainly not be out of the realm of possibilities for the 16 year old. He has done much more imaginative things to circumvent the rules. To answer an earlier question, yes, he did pay for the new stylus out of his allowance. Last I saw, a pair of Klipschorns were going for over 6K. I can't afford to replace them, and neither can he. One of my other hobbies is target shooting and reloading. There is no way I am going to trust him in my reloading room or my gun storage area. They are in separate areas, hidden, and with 2 key locks each. I remember what I was like ;-) Gary >>From: "Kermit V. Gray" Hi Gary, A radical suggestion, definitely radical would be to have an electrician put your stereo on a separate mains branch then have a lock put on your breaker box. Switch off the breaker for the stereo's circuit and that's it -- unless he wants to string a big extension cord to another outlet. Also, can the room that the stereo is in be locked?<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:44 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 > > > Try Quantegy 472. The lowest distortion of any tape I've tested recently > and much cleaner sounding than CURRENT PRODUCTION TDK, Maxell, or Sony. > > Willem-Jochem Nieuwdorp wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> >> >>I was wondering which tapes are the best for a Nakamichi deck. Currently >>I am using Maxell XL II tapes, which sound great and TDK MA’s which are >>reasonable. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From BADANTH at aol.com Tue Sep 27 21:16:37 2005 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:16:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue Message-ID: <1d9.45961946.306af495@aol.com> This must be a bad omen as my CR1A has just started doing the same thing. I put in a tape and push play nothing. Push forward or reverse nothing happens either, could this be the same problem? Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Tue Sep 27 19:08:42 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:08:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509251002.j8PA18Y4029248@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: In my case, everything in the cabinet is powered by one power cord going to the pre-amp. What would work perfectly would be a non-removeable box that would encase the plug for the pre-amp. The box would have it's own power cord and a key activated switch to let power through. If such a thing exists, please let me know. Otherwise, it will be added to my project list! Gary >>Gary, I have every sympathy for your concerns. Over the years I have found my video recorder with a syrup sandwich in it (you can imagine what that did to the belts and pulleys!) and the front loading bay cover pulled off my 3 head Aiwa cassette deck. I have also found the fron covers pulled ogg my home made loudspeakers and the centres of the cones pushed in. Admittedly this was done by quite young children but the consequences are the same, a wrecked piece of home entertainment equipment. First thoughts are for a locked system cabinet. However, if the hi-fi components are large then this may not be feasible. I woder whether it is possible to limit the output from a pre-amp and conceal it's control presence or even an in-line loudspeaker volume control. I am facing similar reservations, once again, with young children. I have bought a BX-300 to replace my Aiwa and still have not installed it for fear of the possible abuse it might receive. I have even bought a BX-2 (only cost £5!) but still reluctant to install it! Shaun<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 23:06:09 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved In-Reply-To: <20050927154625.3014.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050927210609.50329.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I suspect that this problem would return - normal for Sankyo mechanisms - observed in BX/CR series decks - observed on many CR7's due to deadspot on the cam mode motor. You slightly move the motor , it will start working. But soon it would lock up again Kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi guys.. Ok forgive me for the slurry of mails..but I solved the problem. The worm gear and pinion were gummed up in the old grease..So I nudged it with my index finger, and it moved. Removed the old lube and replaced with fresh NSK LR3 grease. Its a urea based long life lubricant used in the automation industry. While at it, I have embossed the following names on my top flight decks: Dragon - As it is. 700ZXL - Phoenix 1000ZXL - Valkriye (when it works) CR7 - (suggestions any one?) Thanks and Cheers, Bala --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron had answered - the motor is the issue - needs > opening and removing the deadspot - I am not very > happy about the process or spend 50$ + for a new one > from B&W > Kannan > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how > do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor > issue? > > Bala > > kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: > The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools > have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the > gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is > connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep > the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - > nothing to do with motion sensing. > Bala > your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual > problems seen in CR7 > Kannan > > Ti Kan wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its > stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit > play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, > and FWD don't hold. When I took the front > compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small > rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion > detector has given way. Could this be a reason? > > Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, > the auto-stop > mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should > be well again. > > -Ti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 23:15:51 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050927211552.99599.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> CR series decks have small cam mode motors directly acting on the cam while older Naks have Cam mode motor driving the cam using a belt. Incase of Bala' CR 7 - Cam mode motor directly drives the gear. For setting cam mode motor position read 481 service manaul ( or 680 / RX 505 service manual available on Tomass ' website - did I pronounce his name correctly?) I had posted the same answer in my earlier mail- about Cam adjustment procedures. One should spend some time with these service manuals - they contain enough information -just not possible to explain in a small email replies. Generally I have not seen problem of these adjustments even in very old 581. You need these incase you go to the extent of removing the old Nak transport and disassemble -do not attempt this without understanding special skills necessary to open up entire transport. i managed to disassemble a Dragon including its DD motor. But this is quite risky and I was desperate in India without any help at that time. Kannan Kannan Doane Hoag wrote: Bala: I think Kannan meant that it is the cam function, not the moation sensors... if you replace the cam belt it should fix it... if the belt is loose, or broken and the cam gear does not move completly into position the deck will not stay in play or record, etc. If the belt is loose, you can tell by seeing if the cam motor keeps spinning after the cam tries to engage (it shouldn't). Also, the cam gear won't move completely into position, but you can physically push it into position to get it to work. I wish some one would answer me about the cam calibration adjustment that I have asked about several times... can it also cause this problem? And does it ever get out of adjustment and cause problems? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue Hi Kannan, Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor issue? Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to do with motion sensing. Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Sep 27 22:03:51 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:03:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4339A5A7.4000900@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gary, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > In my case, everything in the cabinet is powered by one power cord going > to the pre-amp. What would work perfectly would be a non-removeable box > that would encase the plug for the pre-amp. The box would have it's own > power cord and a key activated switch to let power through. > > If such a thing exists, please let me know. Otherwise, it will be added > to my project list! > Actually, yes, I've seen such things for industrial applications. In my old facility I had such a switch with captive cord for a huge paper cutter ... this scary machine could cut two reams of paper cleanly in one fell swoop and could remove a person's arm off just as easily. So, an electrician had installed this anti-tamper lockable switch/cord box/power cutoff assembly as a safety feature. The device was made by Cutler-Hammer, but I do not know if it is still made. This one was old. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Sep 27 22:06:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:06:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved In-Reply-To: <20050927154625.3014.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050927154625.3014.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4339A658.4010705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > While at it, I have embossed the following names on my > top flight decks: > > Dragon - As it is. Hey, now come on. The Dragon is Smaug, of course! (Joking) > CR7 - (suggestions any one?) Ceasar? (CR) Oh drat, who was the seventh Caesar? I cannot remember the name. Any history experts out there? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Sep 27 23:56:41 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:56:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy Tape Message-ID: <005f01c5c3ae$58018e70$ea1bd255@homeduron1300> Hi all, Does anyone know what the difference is between Quantegy 472 and Quantegy IRC tape? David Edwards From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Wed Sep 28 00:39:57 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:39:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue Message-ID: Hi, enjoyed reading about your embossing of your Naks. Nice fleet, and perfect names for your Naks.Heres my suggestion for the CR7a- "SPHINX". I am going to name "my" Nak the "RX303 Matador", i have a 700tri-tracer "Mystique". From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Wed Sep 28 01:17:37 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:17:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: <001b01c5c3b9$a7cf8b90$1e0dd255@homeduron1300> So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they remove the tape. But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using it, for it to give of it's best. Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any time of day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my life in ways I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. David Edwards From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 02:35:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050927211552.99599.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050928003524.33202.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The cam system seems much different from those of the earlier mechanism on the 680 series. In fact, that mechanism seems to inspire a lot more confidence in me..this Sankyo mechanism seems a little more fragile. Well, I don't think its so difficult Kannan at least for me-perhaps because I built 29-axis machines during the day. I have transplanted mechanisms for the 1000ZXL. You are right that one has got to know what he is doing and understand the subtle differences. Well, I know of a few Naks in India. The singer K J Jesudass is a owner of a Dragon himself. I really admire you guys for keeping these decks running in a hot climate as that. And the DD motor is no easy feat! Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: CR series decks have small cam mode motors directly acting on the cam while older Naks have Cam mode motor driving the cam using a belt. Incase of Bala' CR 7 - Cam mode motor directly drives the gear. For setting cam mode motor position read 481 service manaul ( or 680 / RX 505 service manual available on Tomass ' website - did I pronounce his name correctly?) I had posted the same answer in my earlier mail- about Cam adjustment procedures. One should spend some time with these service manuals - they contain enough information -just not possible to explain in a small email replies. Generally I have not seen problem of these adjustments even in very old 581. You need these incase you go to the extent of removing the old Nak transport and disassemble -do not attempt this without understanding special skills necessary to open up entire transport. i managed to disassemble a Dragon including its DD motor. But this is quite risky and I was desperate in India without any help at that time. Kannan Kannan Doane Hoag wrote: Bala: I think Kannan meant that it is the cam function, not the moation sensors... if you replace the cam belt it should fix it... if the belt is loose, or broken and the cam gear does not move completly into position the deck will not stay in play or record, etc. If the belt is loose, you can tell by seeing if the cam motor keeps spinning after the cam tries to engage (it shouldn't). Also, the cam gear won't move completely into position, but you can physically push it into position to get it to work. I wish some one would answer me about the cam calibration adjustment that I have asked about several times... can it also cause this problem? And does it ever get out of adjustment and cause problems? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue Hi Kannan, Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor issue? Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to do with motion sensing. Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Sep 28 03:13:06 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:13:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 In-Reply-To: <43398F73.4050703@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Well, that's good to know (about the tape), I'll have to try some out. Even if you aren't "huge", you certainly are influential. One of my favorite songs is "Short People" by Randy Newman. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:29 AM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Kermit: > Isn't that the same as Ampex? I'm not familiar with it? Yes. The company called "Quantegy" bought all the old Ampex and Scotch tape assets. In this case, cassette blank #472 was an Ampex product. I was, have always been, and am a huge fan of Ampex tapes. Wait a minute, what I mean is I am very enthusiastic about Ampex; I'm only 5-feet five inches and don't weigh all that much so I'm not huge in any regard. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:44 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best tapes for Nakamichi Cr-7 > > > Try Quantegy 472. The lowest distortion of any tape I've tested recently > and much cleaner sounding than CURRENT PRODUCTION TDK, Maxell, or Sony. > > Willem-Jochem Nieuwdorp wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> >> >>I was wondering which tapes are the best for a Nakamichi deck. Currently >>I am using Maxell XL II tapes, which sound great and TDK MA’s which are >>reasonable. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Wed Sep 28 03:31:57 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:31:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1819D4E8-9778-4C75-8821-6AFEBE66EEB9@zoominternet.net> A Furman Ps-Pro is a power conditioner with a key in the front to turn it on and off. It is expensive but it would give your audio system a top of the line power conditioner and a way to keep it from your sons! Here is a link to the product: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PSPro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Sep 28 05:11:42 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:11:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <000901c5c218$b5d95510$a90bd255@homeduron1300> References: <000901c5c218$b5d95510$a90bd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <433A09EE.6000700@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, Perhaps you can simply re-arrange things. Like put the two recorders side-by-side instead of atop each other, then leave some space and put something non-heat-making on the shelf BELOW, like a row of CDs, LPs or tapes. Is the rack open on all sides? That will help. Don't put the tape deck atop a speaker. I've seen this done. The vibration exposure isn't good for it. I once saw a Lenco turntable placed atop an AR-3a speaker. The guy wondered why the stylus would jump the groove on heavy drum beats. Uh, well, er, er.... David Edwards wrote: > Thanks Kermit and Alex, > I must admit I have been leaving them on for extended periods, even > overnight if I've left something recording and gone to bed. > I think I will have to rethink my layout as (from what Kermit says) I > don't have nearly enough space round them. > Such a shame they look gorgeous one on top of the other, but I mustn't > do anything to compromise their long term health. > Looks like I need to invest in a bigger rack - that won't go down well > with 'she who must be obeyed'!! > > Thanks again, > > David > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:53 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > > >> Hi David! >> >> My Dragon also get warm...so seems me that is normal! Only Naim's it's >> cool! (From my best friend experience...he owns almost all Naim never >> turn it OFF!), runs cool during Summer or Winter, >> >> Happy Listening, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>> From: "David Edwards" >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: >>> Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 >>> >>> Hello all, >>> I have my two RX505s on the same shelf, one on top of the other. They >>> are in a fairly open frame, screwed to the wall and are on the lower >>> shelf with the next shelf right above (containing an amp and CD player). >>> The 505s are a cosy fit and look magnificent in their beautiful >>> vertical and side to side symmetry. >>> >>> They are, however hot to touch at the back and give off a reasonable >>> amount of heat. Should I be giving them more space to vent this heat? >>> That is, not have them on top of one another. >>> >>> The situation will heat up a bit more when I add a Class-A Sugden >>> amplifier next month, which is designed to run hot and which I >>> believe you can warm your hands on in the winter. >>> This will go on the shelf above the Naks but even so it will be a hot >>> corner of the room. >>> >>> Has anyone any comments to make about the heat naks make? Or is it >>> just my two? (Very worrying if so). >>> >>> What about long term equipment performance and life span? >>> Are Naks designed to run at a certain 'warmth' or should we be trying >>> to actively cool them? >>> >>> Any comments appreciated. >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> David >>> > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 06:15:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL Service Manual In-Reply-To: <20050927211552.99599.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050928041552.81294.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anyone happen to have the service manual, or at least the schematics for this guy? Bala --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 09:25:24 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <4339A5A7.4000900@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050928072524.98329.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you could get those hoods which encase your power point and secure with a small padlock. So nothing gets changed. Check out people like Newark and Digikey. I think they carry such things Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Gary, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > In my case, everything in the cabinet is powered by one power cord going > to the pre-amp. What would work perfectly would be a non-removeable box > that would encase the plug for the pre-amp. The box would have it's own > power cord and a key activated switch to let power through. > > If such a thing exists, please let me know. Otherwise, it will be added > to my project list! > Actually, yes, I've seen such things for industrial applications. In my old facility I had such a switch with captive cord for a huge paper cutter ... this scary machine could cut two reams of paper cleanly in one fell swoop and could remove a person's arm off just as easily. So, an electrician had installed this anti-tamper lockable switch/cord box/power cutoff assembly as a safety feature. The device was made by Cutler-Hammer, but I do not know if it is still made. This one was old. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 09:30:52 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved In-Reply-To: <4339A658.4010705@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20050928073052.11488.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, Most are mythical creatures..except for Valkryie. The name of one of my favourite planes, the XB-70. But I really love the bar display on the 1000ZXL. Its beautiful! While we are at it, can someone point out to me-perhaps Kermit, why when I input a signal, its sounding very low and muffled.. Orange Caps? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > While at it, I have embossed the following names on my > top flight decks: > > Dragon - As it is. Hey, now come on. The Dragon is Smaug, of course! (Joking) > CR7 - (suggestions any one?) Ceasar? (CR) Oh drat, who was the seventh Caesar? I cannot remember the name. Any history experts out there? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 09:35:54 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <001b01c5c3b9$a7cf8b90$1e0dd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <20050928073554.53625.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Most reel to reel decks have a micro switch on the tension levers to turn on the capstan motor when a tape this threaded and the tension arms are lifted up. Perhaps something like turn on the motor when the cassette compartment door is closed? Anybody interested in a switch, mounting bracket and two wires? Bala David Edwards wrote: So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they remove the tape. But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using it, for it to give of it's best. Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any time of day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my life in ways I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. David Edwards ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 09:36:17 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:36:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Hi David! Such "Mad" guy it's me...of course, when I decided to record I wait at least 30 minutes, however playing can be after 3 minutes that is ON...and when I finish to use my Dragon...NOW...I will turn OFF, just after take away the cassette from the deck...as after playing both sides "Automatically"...here in Israel is very dry & hot climate..WHY to warm the machine more...when all my gear is stacked, minus of course the tube/valve power which is separated. ALEX! >From: "David Edwards" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:17:37 +0100 > >So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they >remove the tape. >But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that he >always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using it, >for it to give of it's best. > >Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. > >Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s on >top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time to >overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. >This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak owners), >I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any time of >day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my life in ways >I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. > >David Edwards > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ktl at bornet.net Wed Sep 28 09:48:17 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:48:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <4339A5A7.4000900@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: There are these IR-remote control devices for "Smart-Homes" available for a couple of $ probably some $20 for a set. If you have a door to your stuff, you can put an electrical door-lock on the door, and put the switch inside the rack/cupboard or whatever you have, then put the IR-remote receiver unit inside, and when switched of, it locks the door. The remote could then be hidden or something like that. The only culprit is when the receiver malfunctions you need to dismantle the rack/cupboard. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:04 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > Hi Gary, > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > > In my case, everything in the cabinet is powered by one power cord > > going > > to the pre-amp. What would work perfectly would be a > non-removeable box > > that would encase the plug for the pre-amp. The box would > have it's own > > power cord and a key activated switch to let power through. > > > > If such a thing exists, please let me know. Otherwise, it will be > > added > > to my project list! > > > > Actually, yes, I've seen such things for industrial > applications. In my > old facility I had such a switch with captive cord for a huge paper > cutter ... this scary machine could cut two reams of paper cleanly in > one fell swoop and could remove a person's arm off just as > easily. So, > an electrician had installed this anti-tamper lockable switch/cord > box/power cutoff assembly as a safety feature. The device was made by > Cutler-Hammer, but I do not know if it is still made. This > one was old. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 10:41:48 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:41:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Hi Bala! What you suggests...makes our "Vintage" decks...NOT ORIGINALLY! Avoided....!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:35:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > > Most reel to reel decks have a micro switch on the tension levers to >turn on the capstan motor when a tape this threaded and the tension arms >are lifted up. Perhaps something like turn on the motor when the cassette >compartment door is closed? Anybody interested in a switch, mounting >bracket and two wires? > >Bala > >David Edwards wrote: >So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they >remove the tape. >But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that he >always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using it, >for it to give of it's best. > >Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. > >Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s on >top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time to >overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. >This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak owners), >I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any time of >day. >So once again my children have improved the quality of my life in ways I >could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. > >David Edwards > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Sep 28 10:42:44 2005 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:42:44 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved References: <20050928073052.11488.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f801c5c408$98971db0$0901a8c0@TG> Bala, I thought you meant the beatiful motorcycle Valkyrie! BTW, as far as I know, one and only machine similar to 1000ZXL's display bar is Yamaha K-1020 & K-1200 (check this out) Also, hard to believe but true, Yamaha's display bar is upto +22db, so huge and nice. The reason is it has dbx system! Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved Well, Most are mythical creatures..except for Valkryie. The name of one of my favourite planes, the XB-70. But I really love the bar display on the 1000ZXL. Its beautiful! While we are at it, can someone point out to me-perhaps Kermit, why when I input a signal, its sounding very low and muffled.. Orange Caps? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > While at it, I have embossed the following names on my > top flight decks: > > Dragon - As it is. Hey, now come on. The Dragon is Smaug, of course! (Joking) > CR7 - (suggestions any one?) Ceasar? (CR) Oh drat, who was the seventh Caesar? I cannot remember the name. Any history experts out there? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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However, I have a love of church organ music which, as you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained content that is almost rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to hear this as it sounds when I go to my very large, local church, Christchurch Priory which has a newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' pipes. Even in the quiet passages you can feel the foundations vibrating underneath the pews. That's what I would like to get near to at home. My room dimensions are approx 14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % G chipboard suspended floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an old school floor!) which are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen based adhesive in a herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G floarboards forming an 18" perimeter. My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans but room listening is distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, especially when I am listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant organ works for dual organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the neighbourhood! Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also consider a sub base unit if deemed appropriate. Shaun From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Sep 28 12:47:30 2005 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:47:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAD 6125 Message-ID: No Sir, Yamaha I think... MH >>> donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz 09/27/05 04:52AM >>> Was the NAD 6125 one of the Nak transport based off-brand decks? 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Regarding speakers...last Saturday, I went to my superbly friend in Jerusalem, which spell a little more of US$:100,000 (A hundred thousand dollars), in his today 90% Naim's gear, only the turntable is a last model Linn LP-12 with (Of course...why less!) Naim Aro arm and Naim's power supply for power the Linn turntable, and as RIAA for the phono stage he use a Conrad Johnson "Motif 11", + NOW to the speakers that I extremely heart full recommend you...ProAc 3.8. Of course...,IF...your whole stereo equipment is NOT at the same "High End Line"...don't expect...results with the ProAc speakers...Sorry! But...you can try...and let me know the results! It's NOT "Value for Money"...BUT...BUT...BUT...! Happy listening, Shaun! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0100 > >Hi Guys, > >I am looking for a considered opinion on a possible upgrade to the speakers >in my lounge. At present I have a 15 year old pair of home made speakers >made up from a Wilmslow Audio Kit based on the T27 & B150 units and >designed >to be similar to the Rogers LS35a. I use an Azden graphic equaliser to give >the bass an increasing lift from below 100hz down to 32hz. For most music >(i.e. easy listening, FM radio, Pink Floyd, The Eagles and light classical) >they are not too bad. However, I have a love of church organ music which, >as >you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained content that is almost >rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to hear this as it sounds >when I go to my very large, local church, Christchurch Priory which has a >newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' pipes. Even in the >quiet >passages you can feel the foundations vibrating underneath the pews. That's >what I would like to get near to at home. My room dimensions are approx >14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % G chipboard suspended >floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an old school floor!) which >are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen based adhesive in a >herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G floarboards forming an >18" >perimeter. > >My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans but room listening is >distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, especially when I am >listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant organ works for dual >organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the neighbourhood! > >Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also consider a sub base unit >if >deemed appropriate. > >Shaun > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 15:13:07 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved In-Reply-To: <00f801c5c408$98971db0$0901a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20050928131307.416.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm...yet have to take a look at those beaus.. The VFD displays used in the 1000ZXL and the 680ZX were made by NEC. In reality, they were liscensed to NEC by a company called Noritake. I had a chance to talk to the local head of this company and by chance I got to know during the 70s NEC liscensed the technology from them. The back of the VFD display on my 1000ZXL proudly says NEC. Also, Noritake is the only company that I know makes these things. Bala --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Bala, > > I thought you meant the beatiful motorcycle > Valkyrie! > > BTW, as far as I know, one and only machine similar > to 1000ZXL's display bar is Yamaha K-1020 & K-1200 > (check this out) > > Also, hard to believe but true, Yamaha's display bar > is upto +22db, so huge and nice. The reason is it > has dbx system! > > Tayfur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 > issue-resolved > > > Well, > > Most are mythical creatures..except for > Valkryie. The name of one of my favourite planes, > the XB-70. > > But I really love the bar display on the 1000ZXL. > Its beautiful! While we are at it, can someone point > out to me-perhaps Kermit, why when I input a signal, > its sounding very low and muffled.. > > Orange Caps? > > Bala > > "Kermit V. Gray" > wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > While at it, I have embossed the following > names on my > > top flight decks: > > > > Dragon - As it is. > > Hey, now come on. The Dragon is Smaug, of > course! (Joking) > > > CR7 - (suggestions any one?) > > Ceasar? (CR) Oh drat, who was the seventh > Caesar? I cannot remember the > name. Any history experts out there? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > for pro audio info > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - > Release Date: 26.09.2005 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 28 15:17:08 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <001b01c5c3b9$a7cf8b90$1e0dd255@homeduron1300> References: <001b01c5c3b9$a7cf8b90$1e0dd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <433A97D4.20800@rcn.com> David Edwards wrote: > So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they > remove the tape. No need to get paranoid. Rushing to switch off after 5 seconds is ridiculous. OTOH, letting it run idle for a few hours is silly, too. > But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that > he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using > it, for it to give of it's best. I wonder how he explained this, it's simply not true. The electronics is SS and stabilizes within a few seconds. The mechanics reach operating temperature within 5 to 15 minutes, but are quite operational from cold. Right thing to do is turn machine on, start playing as convenient, or as soon as the machine comes up (about 10 seconds). Sound may improve in first 5 to 10 minutes, but not enough to make a difference. > Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. > > Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s > on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time > to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. I often play several cassettes in succession, several hours worth of music. I think allowing adequate ventilation is important. Looks of the system doesn't matter to me. Its health does. -- Ron > This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak > owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any > time of day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my > life in ways I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. > > David Edwards > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 28 15:22:31 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:22:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c5c42f$af49bf00$7300a8c0@Shaun> My dear friend Alex, I am afraid that at £4000, they may be deemed less necessary than a new kitchen!! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 28 September 2005 13:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! Lovely Shaun! Regarding speakers...last Saturday, I went to my superbly friend in Jerusalem, which spell a little more of US$:100,000 (A hundred thousand dollars), in his today 90% Naim's gear, only the turntable is a last model Linn LP-12 with (Of course...why less!) Naim Aro arm and Naim's power supply for power the Linn turntable, and as RIAA for the phono stage he use a Conrad Johnson "Motif 11", + NOW to the speakers that I extremely heart full recommend you...ProAc 3.8. Of course...,IF...your whole stereo equipment is NOT at the same "High End Line"...don't expect...results with the ProAc speakers...Sorry! But...you can try...and let me know the results! It's NOT "Value for Money"...BUT...BUT...BUT...! Happy listening, Shaun! ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0100 > >Hi Guys, > >I am looking for a considered opinion on a possible upgrade to the >speakers in my lounge. At present I have a 15 year old pair of home >made speakers made up from a Wilmslow Audio Kit based on the T27 & B150 >units and designed to be similar to the Rogers LS35a. I use an Azden >graphic equaliser to give the bass an increasing lift from below 100hz >down to 32hz. For most music (i.e. easy listening, FM radio, Pink >Floyd, The Eagles and light classical) they are not too bad. However, I >have a love of church organ music which, as >you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained content that is almost >rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to hear this as it sounds >when I go to my very large, local church, Christchurch Priory which has a >newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' pipes. Even in the >quiet >passages you can feel the foundations vibrating underneath the pews. That's >what I would like to get near to at home. My room dimensions are approx >14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % G chipboard suspended >floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an old school floor!) which >are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen based adhesive in a >herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G floarboards forming an >18" >perimeter. > >My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans but room listening is >distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, especially when I am >listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant organ works for >dual organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the neighbourhood! > >Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also consider a sub base >unit >if >deemed appropriate. > >Shaun > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 15:44:56 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050928134456.93082.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Shaun, and Alex, I think the BX 300 is a little weak on the power supply department. It needs some firming up on the caps. Another advise is, get rid of the graphic equalizer. Its going to mess up the phase response-in layman terms its going to affect the timbre and tone of your organ music and rob the naturalness out of it! Speakers? I would recommend what I have used-McIntosh. I've seen many pairs come up for sale within the USD300- 700 range. They have a very good bass response and do not be put off by their age. I have listened to pipe organ lps thru my speakers and its amazing how they fill up the living room with a very natural, airy sound. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Lovely Shaun! > > Regarding speakers...last Saturday, I went to my > superbly friend in > Jerusalem, which spell a little more of US$:100,000 > (A hundred thousand > dollars), in his today 90% Naim's gear, only the > turntable is a last model > Linn LP-12 with (Of course...why less!) Naim Aro arm > and Naim's power supply > for power the Linn turntable, and as RIAA for the > phono stage he use a > Conrad Johnson "Motif 11", + NOW to the speakers > that I extremely heart full > recommend you...ProAc 3.8. > > Of course...,IF...your whole stereo equipment is NOT > at the same "High End > Line"...don't expect...results with the ProAc > speakers...Sorry! > > But...you can try...and let me know the results! > It's NOT "Value for > Money"...BUT...BUT...BUT...! > > Happy listening, Shaun! > > ALEX! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: , "'Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0100 > > > >Hi Guys, > > > >I am looking for a considered opinion on a possible > upgrade to the speakers > >in my lounge. At present I have a 15 year old pair > of home made speakers > >made up from a Wilmslow Audio Kit based on the T27 > & B150 units and > >designed > >to be similar to the Rogers LS35a. I use an Azden > graphic equaliser to give > >the bass an increasing lift from below 100hz down > to 32hz. For most music > >(i.e. easy listening, FM radio, Pink Floyd, The > Eagles and light classical) > >they are not too bad. However, I have a love of > church organ music which, > >as > >you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained > content that is almost > >rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to > hear this as it sounds > >when I go to my very large, local church, > Christchurch Priory which has a > >newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' > pipes. Even in the > >quiet > >passages you can feel the foundations vibrating > underneath the pews. That's > >what I would like to get near to at home. My room > dimensions are approx > >14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % > G chipboard suspended > >floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an > old school floor!) which > >are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen > based adhesive in a > >herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G > floarboards forming an > >18" > >perimeter. > > > >My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans > but room listening is > >distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, > especially when I am > >listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant > organ works for dual > >organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the > neighbourhood! > > > >Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also > consider a sub base unit > >if > >deemed appropriate. > > > >Shaun > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 15:51:36 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050928135136.34313.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Yes it isn't original. But our decks are catching up with age. Just like us, as we age, we need vitamins, supplements and excercises. Likewise, our Naks need such help and improvement! I prefer to sacrifice a small amount of originality because a Dragon capstan motor is more costly!! Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Bala! > > What you suggests...makes our "Vintage" decks...NOT > ORIGINALLY! > Avoided....!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:35:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi, > > > > Most reel to reel decks have a micro switch on > the tension levers to > >turn on the capstan motor when a tape this threaded > and the tension arms > >are lifted up. Perhaps something like turn on the > motor when the cassette > >compartment door is closed? Anybody interested in a > switch, mounting > >bracket and two wires? > > > >Bala > > > >David Edwards wrote: > >So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 > seconds after they > >remove the tape. > >But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a > previous thread that he > >always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 > minutes before using it, > >for it to give of it's best. > > > >Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, > a tricky one. > > > >Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can > still keep my 505s on > >top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they > won't have time to > >overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. > >This is no problem because, having children (like > many other Nak owners), > >I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of > a C90 at any time of > >day. > >So once again my children have improved the quality > of my life in ways I > >could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I > am. > > > >David Edwards > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Yahoo! for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 17:01:02 2005 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <433A97D4.20800@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20050928150102.90788.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lot of times we forget something else - the wires when it comes to heat. I found one ZX 9 had large number of wires going across the entire innards - they tend to become brittle ( the plastic sleeves - I meant) over time with humid indian weather, they also tend to break. cause shorting and sometimes they tend to break out. It is a good practice to use ventilation even if the deck is kept on for a while. kannan Ron wrote: David Edwards wrote: > So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they > remove the tape. No need to get paranoid. Rushing to switch off after 5 seconds is ridiculous. OTOH, letting it run idle for a few hours is silly, too. > But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that > he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using > it, for it to give of it's best. I wonder how he explained this, it's simply not true. The electronics is SS and stabilizes within a few seconds. The mechanics reach operating temperature within 5 to 15 minutes, but are quite operational from cold. Right thing to do is turn machine on, start playing as convenient, or as soon as the machine comes up (about 10 seconds). Sound may improve in first 5 to 10 minutes, but not enough to make a difference. > Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. > > Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s > on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time > to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. I often play several cassettes in succession, several hours worth of music. I think allowing adequate ventilation is important. Looks of the system doesn't matter to me. Its health does. -- Ron > This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak > owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any > time of day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my > life in ways I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. > > David Edwards > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Wed Sep 28 17:02:19 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:02:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Noise from tape guides area of BX300 Message-ID: <433AB07B.40109@bresnan.net> I get a slight scraping sound from the tape guide area of my BX300. Is this due to needing a good cleaning? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 17:23:33 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <20050928150102.90788.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050928152333.1726.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I;ve seen that happen on some of the units due to excessive exposure to heat and humidity. The plastic insulator tends to dry out. Not much you can do other then change them. --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Lot of times we forget something else - the wires > when it comes to heat. I found one ZX 9 had large > number of wires going across the entire innards - > they tend to become brittle ( the plastic sleeves - > I meant) over time with humid indian weather, they > also tend to break. cause shorting and sometimes > they tend to break out. > > It is a good practice to use ventilation even if the > deck is kept on for a while. > kannan > > Ron wrote: > David Edwards wrote: > > So now we've got everyone turning off their decks > 5 seconds after they > > remove the tape. > > No need to get paranoid. Rushing to switch off > after 5 seconds is ridiculous. OTOH, letting > it run idle for a few hours is silly, too. > > > But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a > previous thread that > > he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of > 30 minutes before using > > it, for it to give of it's best. > > I wonder how he explained this, it's simply not > true. The electronics is SS and stabilizes within > a few seconds. The mechanics reach operating > temperature within 5 to 15 minutes, but are quite > operational from cold. > > Right thing to do is turn machine on, start playing > as convenient, or as soon as the machine comes up > (about 10 seconds). Sound may improve in first 5 > to 10 minutes, but not enough to make a difference. > > > Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine > longevity, a tricky one. > > > > Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I > can still keep my 505s > > on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing > they won't have time > > to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one > go. > > I often play several cassettes in succession, > several hours worth of music. I think allowing > adequate ventilation is important. Looks of the > system doesn't matter to me. Its health does. > > -- Ron > > > > This is no problem because, having children (like > many other Nak > > owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even > one side of a C90 at any > > time of day. So once again my children have > improved the quality of my > > life in ways I could never have anticipated. What > a lucky man I am. > > > > David Edwards > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From boblai at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 18:38:19 2005 From: boblai at yahoo.com (Bob Lai) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers Message-ID: <20050928163820.98755.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shaun If you like your current setup then I'd suggest adding a subwoofer, using a hi/lo crossover and bi-amping your system. In fact, try using a ful-range floor speakers for the low-end first. Then move to a subwoofer later. What you'll hear is each speaker is no longer required to perform full-range. You'll hear the bass extension at low volumes. You will probably not need to crank up the bass for your existing speakers. The T27 is a great tweeter. Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Sep 28 19:18:58 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:18:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So the kids can't be handled or reasoned with, it's really that bad?... so just put a lock on the door to the room the audio is in and then everyone should go to a good councelor. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:48 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system There are these IR-remote control devices for "Smart-Homes" available for a couple of $ probably some $20 for a set. If you have a door to your stuff, you can put an electrical door-lock on the door, and put the switch inside the rack/cupboard or whatever you have, then put the IR-remote receiver unit inside, and when switched of, it locks the door. The remote could then be hidden or something like that. The only culprit is when the receiver malfunctions you need to dismantle the rack/cupboard. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:04 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > Hi Gary, > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > > In my case, everything in the cabinet is powered by one power cord > > going > > to the pre-amp. What would work perfectly would be a > non-removeable box > > that would encase the plug for the pre-amp. The box would > have it's own > > power cord and a key activated switch to let power through. > > > > If such a thing exists, please let me know. Otherwise, it will be > > added > > to my project list! > > > > Actually, yes, I've seen such things for industrial > applications. In my > old facility I had such a switch with captive cord for a huge paper > cutter ... this scary machine could cut two reams of paper cleanly in > one fell swoop and could remove a person's arm off just as > easily. So, > an electrician had installed this anti-tamper lockable switch/cord > box/power cutoff assembly as a safety feature. The device was made by > Cutler-Hammer, but I do not know if it is still made. This > one was old. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Sep 28 19:21:04 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:21:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <433A97D4.20800@rcn.com> Message-ID: Agreed, that was my point too; that to leave the Nak on over night, or for hours while not using it (if it is one that runs all the time), is going to cause unnecessary wear, when you can easily switch it off. You don't have to run over and turn off the power everytime you finish recording or playing a tape! As to the heat problem, I had a situation years ago where I had all my components mounted vertically in a cabinet with shelves. I simply put a small fan on the top shelf, blowing towards and out the front. It pulled heat from the units below and worked quite nicely to keep the temperature down. I had it plugged into the switched outlet on my power amp. It was inexpensive, quiet, and effective. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! David Edwards wrote: > So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they > remove the tape. No need to get paranoid. Rushing to switch off after 5 seconds is ridiculous. OTOH, letting it run idle for a few hours is silly, too. > But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that > he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using > it, for it to give of it's best. I wonder how he explained this, it's simply not true. The electronics is SS and stabilizes within a few seconds. The mechanics reach operating temperature within 5 to 15 minutes, but are quite operational from cold. Right thing to do is turn machine on, start playing as convenient, or as soon as the machine comes up (about 10 seconds). Sound may improve in first 5 to 10 minutes, but not enough to make a difference. > Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. > > Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s > on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time > to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. I often play several cassettes in succession, several hours worth of music. I think allowing adequate ventilation is important. Looks of the system doesn't matter to me. Its health does. -- Ron > This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak > owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any > time of day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my > life in ways I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. > > David Edwards > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 22:11:53 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:11:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Lovely Shaun! OK..it's really a question of what is primary...!! My friend really listen music for at list 14 hours a day, so for HIM...music at the "BEST" possible is imperative! Among us...heart fully I can announce you that sounds "AMAZING SUPERB"...NO listening fatigue at ALL!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:22:31 +0100 > >My dear friend Alex, > >I am afraid that at �4000, they may be deemed less necessary than a new >kitchen!! > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 28 September 2005 13:06 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > > >Lovely Shaun! > >Regarding speakers...last Saturday, I went to my superbly friend in >Jerusalem, which spell a little more of US$:100,000 (A hundred thousand >dollars), in his today 90% Naim's gear, only the turntable is a last model >Linn LP-12 with (Of course...why less!) Naim Aro arm and Naim's power >supply > >for power the Linn turntable, and as RIAA for the phono stage he use a >Conrad Johnson "Motif 11", + NOW to the speakers that I extremely heart >full > >recommend you...ProAc 3.8. > >Of course...,IF...your whole stereo equipment is NOT at the same "High End >Line"...don't expect...results with the ProAc speakers...Sorry! > >But...you can try...and let me know the results! It's NOT "Value for >Money"...BUT...BUT...BUT...! > >Happy listening, Shaun! > >ALEX! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0100 > > > >Hi Guys, > > > >I am looking for a considered opinion on a possible upgrade to the > >speakers in my lounge. At present I have a 15 year old pair of home > >made speakers made up from a Wilmslow Audio Kit based on the T27 & B150 > >units and designed to be similar to the Rogers LS35a. I use an Azden > >graphic equaliser to give the bass an increasing lift from below 100hz > >down to 32hz. For most music (i.e. easy listening, FM radio, Pink > >Floyd, The Eagles and light classical) they are not too bad. However, I > >have a love of church organ music which, as > >you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained content that is almost > >rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to hear this as it sounds > >when I go to my very large, local church, Christchurch Priory which has a > >newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' pipes. Even in the > >quiet > >passages you can feel the foundations vibrating underneath the pews. >That's > >what I would like to get near to at home. My room dimensions are approx > >14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % G chipboard suspended > >floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an old school floor!) >which > >are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen based adhesive in a > >herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G floarboards forming an > >18" > >perimeter. > > > >My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans but room listening is > >distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, especially when I am > >listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant organ works for > >dual organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the neighbourhood! > > > >Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also consider a sub base > >unit > >if > >deemed appropriate. > > > >Shaun > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Wed Sep 28 22:13:57 2005 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:13:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Car decks In-Reply-To: <200509281454.j8SEsJfJ010304@zxe.naks.com> References: <200509281454.j8SEsJfJ010304@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <50A5C054-7756-40F7-A700-C9EADDBDD3C8@mac.com> Hi all, So what is the preferred Nak car deck (cassette, of course)? I prefer a head unit without power because I think they last longer (less heat) and outboard amps sound better. Slightly OT, does anyone know what would cause my faithful Alpine 7618 to start playing one side of a tape way too fast? It only happens on one side; that is, if I hit the auto-reverse button, the other side sounds fine. This does not make intuitive sense to me... Looking forward to your responses, Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 22:35:37 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:35:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers Message-ID: Yes I agreed, the Kef T-27 it's really superb tweeter, my son has it in his oldie Kef Concerto speaker system! BUT...and here came the BUT...newer design speakers...sorry...deliver much better/open sound that any old/classic design...that's is true...! ALEX! >From: Bob Lai >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Shaun > >If you like your current setup then I'd suggest adding a subwoofer, >using a hi/lo crossover and bi-amping your system. In fact, try >using a ful-range floor speakers for the low-end first. Then move to >a subwoofer later. > >What you'll hear is each speaker is no longer required to perform >full-range. You'll hear the bass extension at low volumes. You will >probably not need to crank up the bass for your existing speakers. > >The T27 is a great tweeter. > >Bob > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 22:40:13 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:40:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! Message-ID: Hi Doane! I mount the "Best" american made ceiling fan...the bigger that I can obtain here in Israel, and do the job fairly well...was imperative because my system is based on tube/valve and emit a lot of heat. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:21:04 -0700 > > >Agreed, that was my point too; that to leave the Nak on over night, or for >hours while not using it (if it is one that runs all the time), is going to >cause unnecessary wear, when you can easily switch it off. You don't have >to >run over and turn off the power everytime you finish recording or playing a >tape! > >As to the heat problem, I had a situation years ago where I had all my >components mounted vertically in a cabinet with shelves. I simply put a >small fan on the top shelf, blowing towards and out the front. It pulled >heat from the units below and worked quite nicely to keep the temperature >down. I had it plugged into the switched outlet on my power amp. It was >inexpensive, quiet, and effective. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:17 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat! > > >David Edwards wrote: > > So now we've got everyone turning off their decks 5 seconds after they > > remove the tape. > >No need to get paranoid. Rushing to switch off >after 5 seconds is ridiculous. OTOH, letting >it run idle for a few hours is silly, too. > > > But I'm sure I remember some wise chap saying in a previous thread that > > he always leaves his machine on for a minimum of 30 minutes before using > > it, for it to give of it's best. > >I wonder how he explained this, it's simply not >true. The electronics is SS and stabilizes within >a few seconds. The mechanics reach operating >temperature within 5 to 15 minutes, but are quite >operational from cold. > >Right thing to do is turn machine on, start playing >as convenient, or as soon as the machine comes up >(about 10 seconds). Sound may improve in first 5 >to 10 minutes, but not enough to make a difference. > > > Hmmm dilemmas. Sound quality vs. machine longevity, a tricky one. > > > > Mind you, I'm pleased, as with the new regime I can still keep my 505s > > on top of each other (looking beautiful), knowing they won't have time > > to overheat unless I play a whole C90 tape in one go. > >I often play several cassettes in succession, >several hours worth of music. I think allowing >adequate ventilation is important. Looks of the >system doesn't matter to me. Its health does. > >-- Ron > > > > This is no problem because, having children (like many other Nak > > owners), I'm lucky to be able to listen to even one side of a C90 at any > > time of day. So once again my children have improved the quality of my > > life in ways I could never have anticipated. What a lucky man I am. > > > > David Edwards > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 28 23:08:25 2005 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:08:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <20050928134456.93082.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c5c470$c59ba3e0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Bala, The graphic equalizer is only needed to bring up the bass on my present set-up. New speakers with a bass response capable of reaching down to 16 cycles per second would obviously not need that sort of boost and therefore resigned to the back room to gather dust! Hadn't realised that the BX-300 was in need of extra capacitance. Thanks for the advice, wish I'd known about it before I took it to B & W for service & gear upgrade. Now about these McIntosh speakers. What model/models did you have in mind? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 28 September 2005 14:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! Hi Shaun, and Alex, I think the BX 300 is a little weak on the power supply department. It needs some firming up on the caps. Another advise is, get rid of the graphic equalizer. Its going to mess up the phase response-in layman terms its going to affect the timbre and tone of your organ music and rob the naturalness out of it! Speakers? I would recommend what I have used-McIntosh. I've seen many pairs come up for sale within the USD300- 700 range. They have a very good bass response and do not be put off by their age. I have listened to pipe organ lps thru my speakers and its amazing how they fill up the living room with a very natural, airy sound. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Lovely Shaun! > > Regarding speakers...last Saturday, I went to my > superbly friend in > Jerusalem, which spell a little more of US$:100,000 > (A hundred thousand > dollars), in his today 90% Naim's gear, only the > turntable is a last model > Linn LP-12 with (Of course...why less!) Naim Aro arm > and Naim's power supply > for power the Linn turntable, and as RIAA for the > phono stage he use a > Conrad Johnson "Motif 11", + NOW to the speakers > that I extremely heart full > recommend you...ProAc 3.8. > > Of course...,IF...your whole stereo equipment is NOT > at the same "High End > Line"...don't expect...results with the ProAc > speakers...Sorry! > > But...you can try...and let me know the results! > It's NOT "Value for > Money"...BUT...BUT...BUT...! > > Happy listening, Shaun! > > ALEX! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: , "'Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0100 > > > >Hi Guys, > > > >I am looking for a considered opinion on a possible > upgrade to the speakers > >in my lounge. At present I have a 15 year old pair > of home made speakers > >made up from a Wilmslow Audio Kit based on the T27 > & B150 units and > >designed > >to be similar to the Rogers LS35a. I use an Azden > graphic equaliser to give > >the bass an increasing lift from below 100hz down > to 32hz. For most music > >(i.e. easy listening, FM radio, Pink Floyd, The > Eagles and light classical) > >they are not too bad. However, I have a love of > church organ music which, > >as > >you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained > content that is almost > >rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to > hear this as it sounds > >when I go to my very large, local church, > Christchurch Priory which has a > >newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' > pipes. Even in the > >quiet > >passages you can feel the foundations vibrating > underneath the pews. That's > >what I would like to get near to at home. My room > dimensions are approx > >14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % > G chipboard suspended > >floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an > old school floor!) which > >are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen > based adhesive in a > >herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G > floarboards forming an > >18" > >perimeter. > > > >My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans > but room listening is > >distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, > especially when I am > >listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant > organ works for dual > >organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the > neighbourhood! > > > >Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also > consider a sub base unit > >if > >deemed appropriate. > > > >Shaun > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Wed Sep 28 23:24:06 2005 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509282030.j8SKTkJU011294@zxe.naks.com> References: <200509282030.j8SKTkJU011294@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I'd be less worried about frying a tweeter in a Klipschorn (near impossible from my years of experience working for a large Klipsch dealer), and more worried about the 124 dB output that's going to be coming out of the speakers when he feeds a 100 watt signal into it. Get him a good set of earplugs, and an interview with Pete Townsend of the Who, who has lost most of his hearing from playing in front of loud PA's. Let him know that with earplugs in he can still feel the music, and live to listen another day as well. As for the K-horns, they'll be fine. In the five years that I spent selling Klipsch, we never had to replace a tweeter; even on a Heresey, the least efficient of their line at that time (and thus, most likely to be driven into amplifier clipping). From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Sep 29 00:41:48 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:41:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Car decks In-Reply-To: <50A5C054-7756-40F7-A700-C9EADDBDD3C8@mac.com> References: <200509281454.j8SEsJfJ010304@zxe.naks.com> <50A5C054-7756-40F7-A700-C9EADDBDD3C8@mac.com> Message-ID: <433B1C2C.70008@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi all, > So what is the preferred Nak car deck (cassette, of course)? I prefer a > head unit without power because I think they last longer (less heat) > and outboard amps sound better. The 250 (reproduce only) or 350 (compact record/reproduce), of course! > Slightly OT, does anyone know what would cause my faithful Alpine 7618 > to start playing one side of a tape way too fast? It only happens on > one side; that is, if I hit the auto-reverse button, the other side > sounds fine. This does not make intuitive sense to me... Sounds like that side's pinch roller may be too dirty, or its tension spring may be weak. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Sep 29 00:51:30 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:51:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy Tape In-Reply-To: <005f01c5c3ae$58018e70$ea1bd255@homeduron1300> References: <005f01c5c3ae$58018e70$ea1bd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <433B1E72.30103@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, David Edwards wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know what the difference is between Quantegy 472 and > Quantegy IRC tape? (I)nstant (R)ecord (C)assette, a tape with oxide on its leader (the leader isn't blank) so you may begin recording the moment you hit record. I think they are also Type I (Normal) bias, whereas the 472 is Type II (Chrome) bias. IRCs are customarily used for voice recording, live recording of speeches, telephone answering devices, court reporting, ENG, surveillance and similar situations where you cannot risk losing a second of whatever you are taping. 472 is customarily used for mastering or high quality duplication of widerange music. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From jerryjg at omniglobal.net Thu Sep 29 03:37:36 2005 From: jerryjg at omniglobal.net (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:37:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue-resolved Message-ID: Thanks for mentioning the great Bar graph on my 3 heAD YAMAHA KX1200U. This ~ top of the line 3 head Yamaha may have a great bar-graph, however my 2 head NAK RX-303 eats it for breakfast. No actual competition!.The KX1200U might have an edge in bass, but the 303 trounces it it the midrange/treble and also dimensionality/ spaciousness, as well as transparency.If you want my KX1200U, then i would be glad to trade for something interesting.I do not have the remote. It would be a nice deck to keep for the wireless remote function alone, although i think i would prefer a premium dual dubber with a remote. I recently saw a nice looking KX1200 listed for 250.00+ at e-bay, but it failed to sell. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 04:22:33 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050929022233.67817.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, all of us have been giving technical solutions. Including myself/ Let me be a little reasonable and give you another alternative. Let it be. When I was 8-9 years old, I broke two cartridges on my father's setup, a Stanton 681EEE on his TD124/II and a Stanton 981LZ. Over the years I tried to play his hi-fi but never managed to figure out how to turn it on and make it work properly. When I did, I did rock the neighbourhood with Kitaro and the likes. Thankfully, his speakers had fuses, and McIntosh built their amps with power guard, output limiters and some protection. Today, all the audio adventures has given birth to me owning 26 reel to reel decks, 16 Nakamichis along with a variety of other cassette decks and equipment. My disillusioned fiancee has asked if she will ever have space when she moves in... Bala Doane Hoag wrote: So the kids can't be handled or reasoned with, it's really that bad?... so just put a lock on the door to the room the audio is in and then everyone should go to a good councelor. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:48 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system There are these IR-remote control devices for "Smart-Homes" available for a couple of $ probably some $20 for a set. If you have a door to your stuff, you can put an electrical door-lock on the door, and put the switch inside the rack/cupboard or whatever you have, then put the IR-remote receiver unit inside, and when switched of, it locks the door. The remote could then be hidden or something like that. The only culprit is when the receiver malfunctions you need to dismantle the rack/cupboard. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:04 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system > > > Hi Gary, > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > > In my case, everything in the cabinet is powered by one power cord > > going > > to the pre-amp. What would work perfectly would be a > non-removeable box > > that would encase the plug for the pre-amp. The box would > have it's own > > power cord and a key activated switch to let power through. > > > > If such a thing exists, please let me know. Otherwise, it will be > > added > > to my project list! > > > > Actually, yes, I've seen such things for industrial > applications. In my > old facility I had such a switch with captive cord for a huge paper > cutter ... this scary machine could cut two reams of paper cleanly in > one fell swoop and could remove a person's arm off just as > easily. So, > an electrician had installed this anti-tamper lockable switch/cord > box/power cutoff assembly as a safety feature. The device was made by > Cutler-Hammer, but I do not know if it is still made. This > one was old. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > USA > 816-918-5058 cellphone > 913-422-0957 business > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Sep 29 05:43:27 2005 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:43:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Car decks In-Reply-To: <50A5C054-7756-40F7-A700-C9EADDBDD3C8@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, For me, the choice would depend on whether you want to have CD playing ability as well or just cassette tapes playing facility. If it's just pure tapes, go for the classic Nak TD series, from TD-500 upwards they have adjustable azimuth and dual capstan on the TD-700, 800 and 1200. If you want CD as well, you'll have to get one of the later decks which have CD changer control ability. My personal preference for the Naks which have CD changer function is the Mobile Tuner Deck 1, which is what I personally use. It has only single capstan, but has autoreverse, adjustable azimuth, remote control and uses Nak's crystalloy heads like the TD-500/700/800/1200. Others worth considering are like the RD-540 series that Bleus uses, the same transport and features as the MTD 1 but without adjustable azimuth. Of course, if money is no object then there is still a very rare beast, called the Nak TD1000 (I think) which is basically the TD-700 updated to today's world. It was a current model until 2 years ago and uses the asymmetrical dual capstan transport of the TD-700 and has adjustable azimuth, crystalloy heads as well as CD changer control ability compatible with the latest Nak Musicbank/etc car changers. It looks similar to the TD-700 but the front plate rotates and flips down to reveal the CD chnager buttons/features. I would love to have one but all the ones I've seen costs way over US $1000!! It is also a pre-amp only deck, like the rest of the ones I have mentioned. I would agree with you that you get greater flexibility and better sound from outboard power amps. Run them active instead of passive and you'll get something approaching your home setup in sound quality. >So what is the preferred Nak car deck (cassette, of course)? I prefer a >head unit without power because I think they last longer (less heat) and >outboard amps sound better. > >Slightly OT, does anyone know what would cause my faithful Alpine 7618 to >start playing one side of a tape way too fast? It only happens on one >side; that is, if I hit the auto-reverse button, the other side sounds >fine. This does not make intuitive sense to me... > >Looking forward to your responses, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 11:02:34 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heat! In-Reply-To: <001001c5c470$c59ba3e0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20050929090234.18345.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Shaun, All their models went through tests and voicing procedures. There was once I went into a Salvation Army store where a strong crowd was mulling. Suddenly someone played some music and more then half the crowd was drawn to the, very natural, relaxed and warm sound. I went and fought my way through to find a pair of McIntosh speakers playing. The woofers has their centers punched in, the midranges had no surround. The paper cone tweeters also had their centers punched in. No grills. It was sold in ten minutes for USD200. Personally, I would recommend their ML1C, ML2C series, XR5, XR7, XR19, 1051, 1052 series. I suggest you go to www.roger-russel.com and look at the complete range of loudspeakers produced by them to date. Bala Shaun Montgomery wrote: Bala, The graphic equalizer is only needed to bring up the bass on my present set-up. New speakers with a bass response capable of reaching down to 16 cycles per second would obviously not need that sort of boost and therefore resigned to the back room to gather dust! Hadn't realised that the BX-300 was in need of extra capacitance. Thanks for the advice, wish I'd known about it before I took it to B & W for service & gear upgrade. Now about these McIntosh speakers. What model/models did you have in mind? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 28 September 2005 14:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! Hi Shaun, and Alex, I think the BX 300 is a little weak on the power supply department. It needs some firming up on the caps. Another advise is, get rid of the graphic equalizer. Its going to mess up the phase response-in layman terms its going to affect the timbre and tone of your organ music and rob the naturalness out of it! Speakers? I would recommend what I have used-McIntosh. I've seen many pairs come up for sale within the USD300- 700 range. They have a very good bass response and do not be put off by their age. I have listened to pipe organ lps thru my speakers and its amazing how they fill up the living room with a very natural, airy sound. Bala --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Lovely Shaun! > > Regarding speakers...last Saturday, I went to my > superbly friend in > Jerusalem, which spell a little more of US$:100,000 > (A hundred thousand > dollars), in his today 90% Naim's gear, only the > turntable is a last model > Linn LP-12 with (Of course...why less!) Naim Aro arm > and Naim's power supply > for power the Linn turntable, and as RIAA for the > phono stage he use a > Conrad Johnson "Motif 11", + NOW to the speakers > that I extremely heart full > recommend you...ProAc 3.8. > > Of course...,IF...your whole stereo equipment is NOT > at the same "High End > Line"...don't expect...results with the ProAc > speakers...Sorry! > > But...you can try...and let me know the results! > It's NOT "Value for > Money"...BUT...BUT...BUT...! > > Happy listening, Shaun! > > ALEX! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: , "'Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heat! > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0100 > > > >Hi Guys, > > > >I am looking for a considered opinion on a possible > upgrade to the speakers > >in my lounge. At present I have a 15 year old pair > of home made speakers > >made up from a Wilmslow Audio Kit based on the T27 > & B150 units and > >designed > >to be similar to the Rogers LS35a. I use an Azden > graphic equaliser to give > >the bass an increasing lift from below 100hz down > to 32hz. For most music > >(i.e. easy listening, FM radio, Pink Floyd, The > Eagles and light classical) > >they are not too bad. However, I have a love of > church organ music which, > >as > >you may well know, has a lot of very low sustained > content that is almost > >rather felt than heard. I would love to be able to > hear this as it sounds > >when I go to my very large, local church, > Christchurch Priory which has a > >newly rebuilt pipe organ with real, not pseudo, 32' > pipes. Even in the > >quiet > >passages you can feel the foundations vibrating > underneath the pews. That's > >what I would like to get near to at home. My room > dimensions are approx > >14'6" wide x 21'10" long x 7'10" high. I have a T % > G chipboard suspended > >floor covered with 0.75" oak floor tiles (from an > old school floor!) which > >are tongued and grooved and laid down on a bitumen > based adhesive in a > >herringbone pattern with american white oak T & G > floarboards forming an > >18" > >perimeter. > > > >My Nak BX-300 sounds pretty good through my cans > but room listening is > >distinctly lacking in those lower base regions, > especially when I am > >listening to my beloved Widor Taccatas and Guilmant > organ works for dual > >organs(at times quite capable of terrifyng the > neighbourhood! > > > >Oh yes, budget is not unlimited and I would also > consider a sub base unit > >if > >deemed appropriate. > > > >Shaun > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 29 17:11:37 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:11:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue In-Reply-To: <20050928003524.33202.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan: Thanks for the answer on the Cam adjustments, I had noticed the adjustment procedure for the LX5 and the ZX7 but didn't know if it was a wear induced adjustment, or like you said, after doing transport work. While we're on this subject... do you, or some one else, know if all the other very complicated sounding physical adjustments, that need special Nak equipment, are rottenly checked, and then done when a deck is in for service checks; like the head tilt and height, stroke adjustments, tension adjustments, etc? Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue The cam system seems much different from those of the earlier mechanism on the 680 series. In fact, that mechanism seems to inspire a lot more confidence in me..this Sankyo mechanism seems a little more fragile. Well, I don't think its so difficult Kannan at least for me-perhaps because I built 29-axis machines during the day. I have transplanted mechanisms for the 1000ZXL. You are right that one has got to know what he is doing and understand the subtle differences. Well, I know of a few Naks in India. The singer K J Jesudass is a owner of a Dragon himself. I really admire you guys for keeping these decks running in a hot climate as that. And the DD motor is no easy feat! Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: CR series decks have small cam mode motors directly acting on the cam while older Naks have Cam mode motor driving the cam using a belt. Incase of Bala' CR 7 - Cam mode motor directly drives the gear. For setting cam mode motor position read 481 service manaul ( or 680 / RX 505 service manual available on Tomass ' website - did I pronounce his name correctly?) I had posted the same answer in my earlier mail- about Cam adjustment procedures. One should spend some time with these service manuals - they contain enough information -just not possible to explain in a small email replies. Generally I have not seen problem of these adjustments even in very old 581. You need these incase you go to the extent of removing the old Nak transport and disassemble -do not attempt this without understanding special skills necessary to open up entire transport. i managed to disassemble a Dragon including its DD motor. But this is quite risky and I was desperate in India without any help at that time. Kannan Kannan Doane Hoag wrote: Bala: I think Kannan meant that it is the cam function, not the moation sensors... if you replace the cam belt it should fix it... if the belt is loose, or broken and the cam gear does not move completly into position the deck will not stay in play or record, etc. If the belt is loose, you can tell by seeing if the cam motor keeps spinning after the cam tries to engage (it shouldn't). Also, the cam gear won't move completely into position, but you can physically push it into position to get it to work. I wish some one would answer me about the cam calibration adjustment that I have asked about several times... can it also cause this problem? And does it ever get out of adjustment and cause problems? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cr-7 issue Hi Kannan, Yes it is unusual. If thats the case, how do I fix this problem? Is it a driver transistor issue? Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: The motion detectors are behind the spools ( spools have white/ black reflective bands - when you do the gear drive transplant you learn this!) This belt is connecting a spring loaded friction drive to keep the tape tension normal in all Sankyo 3 heads - nothing to do with motion sensing. Bala your CR7 has usual mode cam motor problem - usual problems seen in CR7 Kannan Ti Kan wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra writes: > My CR7 is starting to throw its temper. Its stopped responding to transport controls. When I hit play, the spindle moves a little then stops. Rew, and FWD don't hold. When I took the front compartmetn cover and back plate off, the small rubber belt from the left hand spindle to the motion detector has given way. Could this be a reason? Yes indeed. When it doesn't sense any tape motion, the auto-stop mechanism kicks in. Replace the belt and it should be well again. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 17:35:16 2005 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment Gauges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050929153517.71215.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I had just read through some Nak service manuals and discussed with some people about the technical feasability of reproducing these jigs. Would any body be interested in helping produce measurements, drawings etc.? These could be replicated cheaply and made available to service centers and interested individuals.. You may email me directly. Thanks Bala __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From j.doupe at btinternet.com Thu Sep 29 17:37:57 2005 From: j.doupe at btinternet.com (Jonathan Doupe) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:37:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers References: Message-ID: <001501c5c50b$c4d6a2c0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Alex, I'm not sure I agree on that score. I have yet to hear a pair of speakers that are as open and airy as the Quad ESL63 electrostatics with dedicated Quad sub. The Martin Logan electrostatics come close, but not quite to the Quad level, and I don't think that design can be argued as a modern one. Even the old Snell model J are extremely good. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers > Yes I agreed, the Kef T-27 it's really superb tweeter, my son has it in > his oldie Kef Concerto speaker system! > > BUT...and here came the BUT...newer design speakers...sorry...deliver much > better/open sound that any old/classic design...that's is true...! > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Bob Lai >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers >>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Shaun >> >>If you like your current setup then I'd suggest adding a subwoofer, >>using a hi/lo crossover and bi-amping your system. In fact, try >>using a ful-range floor speakers for the low-end first. Then move to >>a subwoofer later. >> >>What you'll hear is each speaker is no longer required to perform >>full-range. You'll hear the bass extension at low volumes. You will >>probably not need to crank up the bass for your existing speakers. >> >>The T27 is a great tweeter. >> >>Bob >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! for Good >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 29 17:54:07 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:54:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last Message-ID: <433C0E1F.5040908@bellsouth.net> Greetings everyone and everywhere, The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, and provide a good workout for your equipment. The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you like the music). Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for each copy to Kermit Gray Nak Marathon IIIa Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Dr. Bonner Springs, KS 66012 Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in the year (yes, I saved the names). Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Thu Sep 29 18:07:53 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:07:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 670ZX Message-ID: <433C1159.3050001@bresnan.net> Tom; Could I beg,borrow ,steal, buy an Owners manual for my old(new to me) nak 670ZX? Thank You Bob Gibson hootmon17 at bresnan.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Sep 29 18:37:14 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:37:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last Message-ID: <20050929163713.FDUT2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Michael, Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be more than glad to throw in a few extra dollars. Roland > > From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the > Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier > email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta > group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the > Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, > which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be > pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I > will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the > faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you > like the music). > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > each copy to > Kermit Gray > Nak Marathon IIIa > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this > email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in > the year (yes, I saved the names). > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lyra at abc.lt Thu Sep 29 19:00:12 2005 From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:00:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers References: <001501c5c50b$c4d6a2c0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <002b01c5c517$41b68ed0$0201a8c0@Tado> Jonathan, Sure, there are some great old speakers. New technologies brought some space materials and advanced technologies to speaker building, but that has nothing to do with good, natural sound. I find the cones, made from paper, as in good old times, much better sounding than anything "hi-tech"... Old Snells are unbelievably good, and current Audio Note speakers, based on old Snell designs, are simply the best. Tadas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Doupe" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers > Alex, > I'm not sure I agree on that score. I have yet to hear a pair of > speakers that are as open and airy as the Quad ESL63 electrostatics with > dedicated Quad sub. The Martin Logan electrostatics come close, but not > quite to the Quad level, and I don't think that design can be argued as a > modern one. Even the old Snell model J are extremely good. > > Jonathan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cozac" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers > > >> Yes I agreed, the Kef T-27 it's really superb tweeter, my son has it in >> his oldie Kef Concerto speaker system! >> >> BUT...and here came the BUT...newer design speakers...sorry...deliver >> much better/open sound that any old/classic design...that's is true...! >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bob Lai >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers >>>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Shaun >>> >>>If you like your current setup then I'd suggest adding a subwoofer, >>>using a hi/lo crossover and bi-amping your system. In fact, try >>>using a ful-range floor speakers for the low-end first. Then move to >>>a subwoofer later. >>> >>>What you'll hear is each speaker is no longer required to perform >>>full-range. You'll hear the bass extension at low volumes. You will >>>probably not need to crank up the bass for your existing speakers. >>> >>>The T27 is a great tweeter. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Yahoo! for Good >>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 29 19:09:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:09:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers Message-ID: Hi Jonathan! For more of 15 years I was a happy proud owner of the Quad ESL-57 Black grilles (The Classic Ones!), powered with for more of 3 decades Marantz 7c/8b set...which delivered to my "Younger" ears...at that time an very pleasant sound...I was able to :live"...with less bass, but "Midrange"...was very imperative at that era. The newer ESL-68, were much happy with mostly tube/valve/solid state powers, but...today's super moderns speakers like the ProAc 3.8 powered with an a super high end gear...believe me Jonathan...sound much better/realistic that any Electrostatic...with NO problems that happen with Electrostatics in long term use. Today, I enjoy listening trough in our family since 1954 JBL "Hartsfield" mono.single speaker cabinet, which enter into our home in Lima, Peru when I was 11 years old... today last month I enter to my 62 birthday...still performing exactly as when arrive to our home. This speaker I take it to my home when my lovely Dad pass away in 1990...here in Israel. Today powered with ARC SP-9-Mk2 preamp & Dynaco Stereo 70 Mk2 by Panor power, a gift from my best audiophile & music lover together with his Dragon & McIntosh MR-78 tuner...which last year pass away very sadly! Greetings, ALEX! ALEX! >From: "Jonathan Doupe" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers >Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:37:57 +0100 > >Alex, > I'm not sure I agree on that score. I have yet to hear a pair of >speakers that are as open and airy as the Quad ESL63 electrostatics with >dedicated Quad sub. The Martin Logan electrostatics come close, but not >quite to the Quad level, and I don't think that design can be argued as a >modern one. Even the old Snell model J are extremely good. > >Jonathan > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:35 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers > > >>Yes I agreed, the Kef T-27 it's really superb tweeter, my son has it in >>his oldie Kef Concerto speaker system! >> >>BUT...and here came the BUT...newer design speakers...sorry...deliver much >>better/open sound that any old/classic design...that's is true...! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bob Lai >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers >>>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Shaun >>> >>>If you like your current setup then I'd suggest adding a subwoofer, >>>using a hi/lo crossover and bi-amping your system. In fact, try >>>using a ful-range floor speakers for the low-end first. Then move to >>>a subwoofer later. >>> >>>What you'll hear is each speaker is no longer required to perform >>>full-range. You'll hear the bass extension at low volumes. You will >>>probably not need to crank up the bass for your existing speakers. >>> >>>The T27 is a great tweeter. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Yahoo! for Good >>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 29 19:53:40 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:53:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers In-Reply-To: <001501c5c50b$c4d6a2c0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: I agree, I don't think speakers have advanced that much, sound wise, over the years. I listened to some old BMG(?) 801's at a high end store a few months ago and they sounded just as good as his newer speakers in the same equivalent price range adjusted for inflation. I used to have a set of a/d/s large 1230 studio monitors and I would put them up against anything of equivalent size today... My small a/d/s L100 and L200 bookshelf speakers have essentially the same tweeter cones and they are... sweet. My brother's old full size Vandersteins, though lacking the bottom end, are also as good as anything available now. I realize a lot of this is subjective, but it's also based on trying to reproduce real sound as accurately as possible. IMHO :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Doupe Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers Alex, I'm not sure I agree on that score. I have yet to hear a pair of speakers that are as open and airy as the Quad ESL63 electrostatics with dedicated Quad sub. The Martin Logan electrostatics come close, but not quite to the Quad level, and I don't think that design can be argued as a modern one. Even the old Snell model J are extremely good. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers > Yes I agreed, the Kef T-27 it's really superb tweeter, my son has it in > his oldie Kef Concerto speaker system! > > BUT...and here came the BUT...newer design speakers...sorry...deliver much > better/open sound that any old/classic design...that's is true...! > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Bob Lai >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers >>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Shaun >> >>If you like your current setup then I'd suggest adding a subwoofer, >>using a hi/lo crossover and bi-amping your system. In fact, try >>using a ful-range floor speakers for the low-end first. Then move to >>a subwoofer later. >> >>What you'll hear is each speaker is no longer required to perform >>full-range. You'll hear the bass extension at low volumes. You will >>probably not need to crank up the bass for your existing speakers. >> >>The T27 is a great tweeter. >> >>Bob >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! for Good >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Sep 29 20:29:22 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:29:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers In-Reply-To: <002b01c5c517$41b68ed0$0201a8c0@Tado> References: <001501c5c50b$c4d6a2c0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> <002b01c5c517$41b68ed0$0201a8c0@Tado> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050929141550.01c46248@psulias.psu.edu> I love the sound of the old Klipsch with the horn tweet and mid. Dynamic and spacious and need tiny amounts of power. I have Fortes I got used for $600 and I much prefer them to any new speakers I've heard costing 5x the price or more. Flat from 32Hz to 20KHz. If I had the room I'd definitely be sporting some Klipschhorns. Look for Fortes, Chorus, Cornwall, or if you want to spend a little more, LaScalia, Belle and Khorn. They are particularly good for analog sources IMO. The drawbacks are size (not Fortes really, but anything higher up are pretty huge and 90lbs+ per speaker minimum), and bad sound in is bad sound out. Not forgiving at all. If you have quality components and are using Class A Solid State or tubes, I highly recommend trying them out. You can ALWAYS get what you pay for them in resale. The newer Klipsch Reference Series (RF-3, RF-5, RF-7) are also popular but I've not heard any of them personally. They are two-way with a horn tweeter + dual woofer set up. You can still get Klipschorns and LaScalias new. You At 01:00 PM 9/29/2005, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >Sure, there are some great old speakers. New technologies brought some >space materials and advanced technologies to speaker building, but that >has nothing to do with good, natural sound. I find the cones, made from >paper, as in good old times, much better sounding than anything >"hi-tech"... Old Snells are unbelievably good, and current Audio Note >speakers, based on old Snell designs, are simply the best. > >Tadas Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Sep 29 20:34:40 2005 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:34:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrading Speakers In-Reply-To: References: <001501c5c50b$c4d6a2c0$0202a8c0@microsof3gjbyh> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050929143038.01c950a0@psulias.psu.edu> Those a/d/s monitors kicked ass. They were on my short list twice, but barely lost out to Klipsch (twice). "Real Sound" is key for me. Klispch speakers produce the most "live" sounding music IMO, especially with drums. The Klispch deliver that drum punch you get in real life, something many speakers are lacking IMO. At 01:53 PM 9/29/2005, you wrote: >I agree, I don't think speakers have advanced that much, sound wise, over >the years. >I listened to some old BMG(?) 801's at a high end store a few months ago and >they sounded just as good as his newer speakers in the same equivalent price >range adjusted for inflation. I used to have a set of a/d/s large 1230 >studio monitors and I would put them up against anything of equivalent size >today... My small a/d/s L100 and L200 bookshelf speakers have essentially >the same tweeter cones and they are... sweet. My brother's old full size >Vandersteins, though lacking the bottom end, are also as good as anything >available now. >I realize a lot of this is subjective, but it's also based on trying to >reproduce real sound as accurately as possible. IMHO :~) > >Doane > Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Thu Sep 29 22:04:24 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:04:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509282030.j8SKTkJU011294@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Doane, I asked about locks, not about your opinion on my family discipline. FYI, I re-married 4 years ago. My wife's boy (who I adopted) has had defiance issues for years. He was diagnosed with a defiance disorder several years ago by a licensed psychiatrist. Whether that defiance was developed as a result of his upbringing, his attendance of crappy schools, or his genes, I don't know. All I know is this is what I am dealing with. If there was a cure, I would jump at it. Can we stick to the question or do you want to continue to judge? Gary >>From: "Doane Hoag" So the kids can't be handled or reasoned with, it's really that bad?... so just put a lock on the door to the room the audio is in and then everyone should go to a good councelor. :~) Doane<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Sep 29 22:41:59 2005 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:41:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: <20050929163713.FDUT2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20050929163713.FDUT2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <433C5197.5070809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Roland, My plan is for anyone interested to send me an email off-list and I'd send them an email PayPal invoice. Very convenient. The photos Mike mentioned are available at this link -- http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html While we're on the subject of photos, you may enjoy visiting http://woods-and-waters.com/gallery/albums.php which contains some photos of some of my gear. Hope you can handle pictures of naked microphones. Very arousing. I invite you to register and start your own album of photos of your gear. I'd like to use the album software start a visual database of all vintage equipment great and small. Out-of-production equipment only please, and also please no pictures of cables or "interconnects", DIY gear, new-production equipment, or anything that isn't audio equipment. (If you manufacture your own equipment, please understand that I do too and I am not providing this album to give free publicity to competing brands. If you wish to put photos of your brand in the album, contact me for ad rates. Thank you for your understanding.) Also, thanks for your interest and participation! N-Joy! rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > Michael, > > Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be more than glad to throw in a few extra dollars. > > Roland > > > >>From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >>Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >> >>Greetings everyone and everywhere, >>The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the >>Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier >>email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta >>group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the >>Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, >>which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). >> >>Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's >>eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no >>one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most >>probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will >>wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that >>represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in >>some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a >>whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England >>weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be >>different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, >>and provide a good workout for your equipment. >> >>The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in >>Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his >>many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the >>recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production >>details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be >>pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I >>will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the >>faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you >>like the music). >> >>Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for >>each copy to >>Kermit Gray >>Nak Marathon IIIa >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>16371 Lake Point Dr. >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> >>Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this >>email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in >>the year (yes, I saved the names). >>Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. >>Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 29 22:55:05 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:55:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: <20050929163713.FDUT2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: That sounds interesting.. how about a listing of what on the CD? Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last Michael, Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be more than glad to throw in a few extra dollars. Roland > > From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the > Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier > email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta > group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the > Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, > which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be > pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I > will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the > faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you > like the music). > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > each copy to > Kermit Gray > Nak Marathon IIIa > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this > email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in > the year (yes, I saved the names). > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 30 03:42:45 2005 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:42:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 670ZX In-Reply-To: <433C1159.3050001@bresnan.net> References: <433C1159.3050001@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <433C9815.9090102@rcn.com> Bob Gibson wrote: > Tom; > Could I beg,borrow ,steal, buy an Owners manual for my old(new to me) > nak 670ZX? > > Thank You I have it in a couple of pdf files. Can you accept email attachments of 2.5MB to 3MB? -- Ron From rob at rhoag.com Thu Sep 29 23:21:06 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:21:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gary: I wasn't judging, just making a suggestion, as it seems too many parents today have been taught to control their kids, rather then work with them. And I don't believe a situation is ever hopeless, but I can certainly sympathize with your situation. No judging or insults were intended. If you had presented your situation like you are now explaining it I would not made the remarks I did.. most parents aren't in the unusual situation you face, right? So, best of luck and I'm sorry if you were offended. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Doane, I asked about locks, not about your opinion on my family discipline. FYI, I re-married 4 years ago. My wife's boy (who I adopted) has had defiance issues for years. He was diagnosed with a defiance disorder several years ago by a licensed psychiatrist. Whether that defiance was developed as a result of his upbringing, his attendance of crappy schools, or his genes, I don't know. All I know is this is what I am dealing with. If there was a cure, I would jump at it. Can we stick to the question or do you want to continue to judge? Gary >>From: "Doane Hoag" So the kids can't be handled or reasoned with, it's really that bad?... so just put a lock on the door to the room the audio is in and then everyone should go to a good councelor. :~) Doane<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Sep 29 23:47:04 2005 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:47:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: References: <20050929163713.FDUT2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050929174311.01803a38@pop.east.cox.net> Doane, I see you are new to Navtalk and I sort of got in between Marathon I and Marathon II projects. So far, I've not contributed due to either project because I only owned my CR-7A for a very short time. Looking to reload the wallet and buy either a Dragon or ZX9. The CR7 seems a bit danty with the Sankyo mechanism. I can tell that the quality and music selection were outstanding, simply the best CD's I own to date and the sound is beyond anything I presently own. Yet, I play the CD's on a 1984 Denon DCD-1500 player I bought new. You will be happy. At 01:55 PM 9/29/2005 -0700, you wrote: >That sounds interesting.. how about a listing of what on the CD? > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:37 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > >Michael, > >Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be more than >glad to throw in a few extra dollars. > >Roland > > > > > > From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > > Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > > > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the > > Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier > > email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta > > group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the > > Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, > > which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). > > > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be > > pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I > > will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the > > faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you > > like the music). > > > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > > each copy to > > Kermit Gray > > Nak Marathon IIIa > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this > > email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in > > the year (yes, I saved the names). > > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From isaacyoung at zoominternet.net Thu Sep 29 23:15:37 2005 From: isaacyoung at zoominternet.net (Isaacyoung) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:15:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3924AE0C-DBFF-4F3E-8D82-DC8BF086AD4C@zoominternet.net> A Furman Ps-Pro is a power conditioner with a key in the front to turn it on and off. It is expensive but it would give your audio system a top of the line power conditioner and a way to keep it from your sons! Here is a link to the product: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PSPro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Sep 30 04:40:43 2005 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:40:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last Message-ID: Hi Kermit! Just saw the photos, from the Link...the dog loves music...amazing!!!! Let me confirm what I sow your 3 microphones are AKG-190?...I own one of these...recorded the voice of my first son with my lovely Nak TT-1000/2 in "Blend"...so get mono both channels...on a 1978 issue TDK- C-90 SA! Lovely photos of Eve's "Power regulated supply"...! Have a nice weekend! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:41:59 -0500 > >Hi Roland, > >My plan is for anyone interested to send me an email off-list and I'd send >them an email PayPal invoice. Very convenient. > >The photos Mike mentioned are available at this link -- > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html > >While we're on the subject of photos, you may enjoy visiting >http://woods-and-waters.com/gallery/albums.php which contains some photos >of some of my gear. Hope you can handle pictures of naked microphones. Very >arousing. > >I invite you to register and start your own album of photos of your gear. >I'd like to use the album software start a visual database of all vintage >equipment great and small. Out-of-production equipment only please, and >also please no pictures of cables or "interconnects", DIY gear, >new-production equipment, or anything that isn't audio equipment. > >(If you manufacture your own equipment, please understand that I do too and >I am not providing this album to give free publicity to competing brands. >If you wish to put photos of your brand in the album, contact me for ad >rates. Thank you for your understanding.) > >Also, thanks for your interest and participation! > >N-Joy! > > >rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: >>Michael, >> >>Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be more than >>glad to throw in a few extra dollars. >> >>Roland >> >> >> >>>From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >>>Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >>> >>>Greetings everyone and everywhere, >>>The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the >>>Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier >>>email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta >>>group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the >>>Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, >>>which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). >>> >>>Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's >>>eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no one >>>in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most >>>probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will >>>wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that represented? >>>That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in some (strange) >>>way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a whole, yet not so >>>long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England weather--if you don't >>>like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be different. The >>>selections should stretch your music library a little, and provide a good >>>workout for your equipment. >>> >>>The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in >>>Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his many >>>informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the >>>recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production >>>details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be >>>pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I >>>will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the >>>faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you >>>like the music). >>> >>>Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for >>>each copy to >>>Kermit Gray >>>Nak Marathon IIIa >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>16371 Lake Point Dr. >>>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>> >>>Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this >>>email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in >>>the year (yes, I saved the names). >>>Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. >>>Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Fri Sep 30 05:05:07 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:05:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 670ZX In-Reply-To: <433C9815.9090102@rcn.com> References: <433C1159.3050001@bresnan.net> <433C9815.9090102@rcn.com> Message-ID: <433CAB63.1040000@bresnan.net> Ron wrote: > Bob Gibson wrote: > >> Tom; >> Could I beg,borrow ,steal, buy an Owners manual for my old(new to me) >> nak 670ZX? >> >> Thank You > > > I have it in a couple of pdf files. Can you > accept email attachments of 2.5MB to 3MB? > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > yes Tom thank You From rob at rhoag.com Fri Sep 30 05:21:31 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:21:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050929174311.01803a38@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: That sounds great, but what exactly is the music list on them? Also, I have a ZX-7 and I love it, I don't think the ZX-9 is that different, is it? Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: roland [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:47 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last Doane, I see you are new to Navtalk and I sort of got in between Marathon I and Marathon II projects. So far, I've not contributed due to either project because I only owned my CR-7A for a very short time. Looking to reload the wallet and buy either a Dragon or ZX9. The CR7 seems a bit danty with the Sankyo mechanism. I can tell that the quality and music selection were outstanding, simply the best CD's I own to date and the sound is beyond anything I presently own. Yet, I play the CD's on a 1984 Denon DCD-1500 player I bought new. You will be happy. At 01:55 PM 9/29/2005 -0700, you wrote: >That sounds interesting.. how about a listing of what on the CD? > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:37 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > >Michael, > >Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be more than >glad to throw in a few extra dollars. > >Roland > > > > > > From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > > Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > > > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the > > Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier > > email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta > > group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the > > Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, > > which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). > > > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be > > pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I > > will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the > > faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you > > like the music). > > > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > > each copy to > > Kermit Gray > > Nak Marathon IIIa > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this > > email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in > > the year (yes, I saved the names). > > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ktl at bornet.net Fri Sep 30 07:00:12 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:00:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 670ZX In-Reply-To: <433C9815.9090102@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron Could you please send it to me as well, and I will put it on my site, for public access. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.naks.mine.nu Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:43 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 670ZX > > > Bob Gibson wrote: > > Tom; > > Could I beg,borrow ,steal, buy an Owners manual for my > old(new to me) > > nak 670ZX? > > > > Thank You > > I have it in a couple of pdf files. Can you > accept email attachments of 2.5MB to 3MB? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From michael_martorana at lineone.net Fri Sep 30 12:27:50 2005 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:27:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Marathon IIIa In-Reply-To: <200509291653.j8TGr2TR014529@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <432A947F000508AF@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi Michael how much extra would it cost to ship it to the UK? Cheers Michael > > From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last > > Greetings everyone and everywhere, > The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by the > Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in an earlier > email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together by the Atlanta > group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco group as part of the > Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings done on Nak equipment, > which may be done in the future if sufficient interest is expressed). > > Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the group's > eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but probably no > one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of the items. Most > probably, you will find some you like, some you don't, some you will > wonder "why was that included?", and why wasn't this or that > represented? That's fair. We made some effort to include songs that in > some (strange) way "hang together", so the cd can be listened to as a > whole, yet not so long on any one thing. It's a bit like New England > weather--if you don't like it, wait a minute (or three) and it will be > different. The selections should stretch your music library a little, > and provide a good workout for your equipment. > > The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in > Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from his > many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. All the > recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the production > details can be discussed with Kermit for those interested. There will be > pictures of the group and machinery used on Kermit's website--he or I > will post the link shortly for those of you who would like to see the > faces behind the music (hey, nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you > like the music). > > Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation for > each copy to > Kermit Gray > Nak Marathon IIIa > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > 16371 Lake Point Dr. > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send this > email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest earlier in > the year (yes, I saved the names). > Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. > Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From 3ld at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 30 15:56:11 2005 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:56:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433D43FB.3030002@bellsouth.net> Hi Alex, Yes, those are indeed three AKG-190 in "birdfoot array". After asking Kermit for a recommendation for microphones last year(?), I took his recommendation and bought these for use with my Nak 550 in live recording. The "birdfoot array" is, of course, Kermit's recommended grouping of mics, a discussion of which is on his website (as well as a plethora of useful, original, and occasionally arcane information for those interested in recording. He is a master at this). FYI, the array is pictured in front of a mint copy (actually never played) of the soundtrack of the movie "Diva", which, as some of you know, contained a number of interesting vintage Naks. Atlanta Mike Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Kermit! > > Just saw the photos, from the Link...the dog loves music...amazing!!!! > Let me confirm what I sow your 3 microphones are AKG-190?...I own one > of these...recorded the voice of my first son with my lovely Nak > TT-1000/2 in "Blend"...so get mono both channels...on a 1978 issue > TDK- C-90 SA! > > Lovely photos of Eve's "Power regulated supply"...! > > Have a nice weekend! > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:41:59 -0500 >> >> Hi Roland, >> >> My plan is for anyone interested to send me an email off-list and >> I'd send them an email PayPal invoice. Very convenient. >> >> The photos Mike mentioned are available at this link -- >> >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/Nakathon_IIIa.html >> >> While we're on the subject of photos, you may enjoy visiting >> http://woods-and-waters.com/gallery/albums.php which contains some >> photos of some of my gear. Hope you can handle pictures of naked >> microphones. Very arousing. >> >> I invite you to register and start your own album of photos of your >> gear. I'd like to use the album software start a visual database of >> all vintage equipment great and small. Out-of-production equipment >> only please, and also please no pictures of cables or >> "interconnects", DIY gear, new-production equipment, or anything that >> isn't audio equipment. >> >> (If you manufacture your own equipment, please understand that I do >> too and I am not providing this album to give free publicity to >> competing brands. If you wish to put photos of your brand in the >> album, contact me for ad rates. Thank you for your understanding.) >> >> Also, thanks for your interest and participation! >> >> N-Joy! >> >> >> rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: >> >>> Michael, >>> >>> Is there a Paypal address where we could send the money? I'd be >>> more than glad to throw in a few extra dollars. >>> >>> Roland >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> >>>> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu AM 11:54:07 EDT >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon IIIa is here at last >>>> >>>> Greetings everyone and everywhere, >>>> The long awaited and much anticipated Nak Marathon IIIa offering by >>>> the Atlanta Group of Nakophiles is now available. As mentioned in >>>> an earlier email this year, this is a music sharing cd put together >>>> by the Atlanta group, similar to the one done by the San Francisco >>>> group as part of the Nak Marathon II (as opposed to live recordings >>>> done on Nak equipment, which may be done in the future if >>>> sufficient interest is expressed). >>>> >>>> Our choice of music is, shall we say, varied, and reflects the >>>> group's eclectic interests. Some selections will be familiar, but >>>> probably no one in our group has, or has even heard, every one of >>>> the items. Most probably, you will find some you like, some you >>>> don't, some you will wonder "why was that included?", and why >>>> wasn't this or that represented? That's fair. We made some effort >>>> to include songs that in some (strange) way "hang together", so the >>>> cd can be listened to as a whole, yet not so long on any one thing. >>>> It's a bit like New England weather--if you don't like it, wait a >>>> minute (or three) and it will be different. The selections should >>>> stretch your music library a little, and provide a good workout for >>>> your equipment. >>>> >>>> The production has been handled by our most distant (now living in >>>> Kansas) and most talented member Kermit, whom you all know from >>>> his many informative posts on Naktalk. This man knows recording. >>>> All the recordings were done on various Naks (of course) and the >>>> production details can be discussed with Kermit for those >>>> interested. There will be pictures of the group and machinery used >>>> on Kermit's website--he or I will post the link shortly for those >>>> of you who would like to see the faces behind the music (hey, >>>> nobody said WE were pretty, but we hope you like the music). >>>> >>>> Ordering a copy of Nak Marathon IIIa is easy. Send a $10 donation >>>> for each copy to >>>> Kermit Gray >>>> Nak Marathon IIIa >>>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>> 16371 Lake Point Dr. >>>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >>>> >>>> Let us hear from you via Naktalk if you have an interest. I'll send >>>> this email directly also to those of you who expressed an interest >>>> earlier in the year (yes, I saved the names). >>>> Let us know if you have any questions via Naktalk. >>>> Mike Moore for the Atlanta Group >>> >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Sep 30 16:16:56 2005 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:16:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: <200509301001.j8UA0c0B017574@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Apology accepted. I spoke out because I simply didn't want it going any further. I participate in several e-mail lists. Way too often the threads get personal for no reason. This boy has been a real test for me. He has improved a lot over the last few years, but one thing has remained constant. If he wants something bad enough, he will act on it, usually when we are not home. That sounds worse than it really is. Many teenagers are that way, but he has really bad judgement sometimes. Luckily, I guess, he leaves evidence all over the place. This usually results in him getting grounded, usually from the computer and TV. This is the most effective punishment we have found. There's my segway back into the lock issue. HE WILL watch TV when we are not around, no matter how dire the warning. This results in longer groundings. I have come up with a couple different ways to indicate if the unplugged TV has been plugged in. It's just way too tempting for him to plug it in anyway and then lie about it later. In my searching since this topic came up, I found this: http://www.familysafemedia.com/powerstop_power_plug_lock.html It's not exactly what I wanted, but I think it will do. Gary >>Gary: I wasn't judging, just making a suggestion, as it seems too many parents today have been taught to control their kids, rather then work with them. And I don't believe a situation is ever hopeless, but I can certainly sympathize with your situation. No judging or insults were intended. If you had presented your situation like you are now explaining it I would not made the remarks I did.. most parents aren't in the unusual situation you face, right? So, best of luck and I'm sorry if you were offended. Doane<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktl at bornet.net Fri Sep 30 17:31:47 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:31:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added Message-ID: I have added 670ZX users manual, and (OT) servicemanual for a Tektronix 465B Scope. www.naks.mine.nu With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From rob at rhoag.com Fri Sep 30 19:33:30 2005 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:33:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gary: I think some one else mentioned this... what about a remote control switched outlet, but placed inside the cabinet, where it can't be bypassed? These are not expensive, you can get them at any good hardware store, or HomeDepot, etc. Again, sorry it's come to this, and best of luck. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Locking up the audio system Apology accepted. I spoke out because I simply didn't want it going any further. I participate in several e-mail lists. Way too often the threads get personal for no reason. This boy has been a real test for me. He has improved a lot over the last few years, but one thing has remained constant. If he wants something bad enough, he will act on it, usually when we are not home. That sounds worse than it really is. Many teenagers are that way, but he has really bad judgement sometimes. Luckily, I guess, he leaves evidence all over the place. This usually results in him getting grounded, usually from the computer and TV. This is the most effective punishment we have found. There's my segway back into the lock issue. HE WILL watch TV when we are not around, no matter how dire the warning. This results in longer groundings. I have come up with a couple different ways to indicate if the unplugged TV has been plugged in. It's just way too tempting for him to plug it in anyway and then lie about it later. In my searching since this topic came up, I found this: http://www.familysafemedia.com/powerstop_power_plug_lock.html It's not exactly what I wanted, but I think it will do. Gary >>Gary: I wasn't judging, just making a suggestion, as it seems too many parents today have been taught to control their kids, rather then work with them. And I don't believe a situation is ever hopeless, but I can certainly sympathize with your situation. No judging or insults were intended. If you had presented your situation like you are now explaining it I would not made the remarks I did.. most parents aren't in the unusual situation you face, right? So, best of luck and I'm sorry if you were offended. Doane<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hootmon17 at bresnan.net Fri Sep 30 21:52:52 2005 From: hootmon17 at bresnan.net (Bob Gibson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:52:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: <433D9794.6070208@bresnan.net> Anyone on the list familiar with the Nak 700ZXL? Pitfalls and good points would be appericated as well as parts for same. From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Fri Sep 30 22:17:47 2005 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:17:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy Tape References: <005f01c5c3ae$58018e70$ea1bd255@homeduron1300> <433B1E72.30103@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001301c5c5fc$08089da0$f091d255@homeduron1300> Thanks Kermit, I've just got to find a UK supplier now. No doubt google will help. Thanks again, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Quantegy Tape > Hi David, > > David Edwards wrote: >> Hi all, >> Does anyone know what the difference is between Quantegy 472 and >> Quantegy IRC tape? > > (I)nstant (R)ecord (C)assette, a tape with oxide on its leader (the leader > isn't blank) so you may begin recording the moment you hit record. I think > they are also Type I (Normal) bias, whereas the 472 is Type II (Chrome) > bias. > > IRCs are customarily used for voice recording, live recording of speeches, > telephone answering devices, court reporting, ENG, surveillance and > similar situations where you cannot risk losing a second of whatever you > are taping. > > 472 is customarily used for mastering or high quality duplication of > widerange music. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ktl at bornet.net Fri Sep 30 22:18:03 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:18:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals added Message-ID: Users Manual for MR-2 added, Thanks to Bob Gibson. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.naks.mine.nu downloads etc ftp.ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From ktl at bornet.net Fri Sep 30 22:46:16 2005 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:46:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Why Is it, messages delayed. Message-ID: Why is it that all messages I send to Naktalk is delayed a good one and a half hour? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.naks.mine.nu downloads etc ftp.ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From hembihag at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 23:56:41 2005 From: hembihag at yahoo.com (Hem Bihag) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:56:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassettes in Nak Decks..... In-Reply-To: <004e01c5bfdd$93611d20$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <20050930215641.26317.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Any sugestions for chromium dioxide cassettes as well? Debashish Chakravarti --- KJ Bleus wrote: > Drop a quality made cassette into your cassette deck > bay, you'll observe and hear the differences. > > Example, way back in 1982, when the ZX-9 was > released, TDK's MA-R cassette was considered the > blessed coming of the savior when placed into a good > Nak deck transport. Sure, later cassettes work > nicely, like Maxell's MX and MX-S cassettes. > Denon's MG-X and Fuji's FR Metal. Might I suggest > that some of you purchase a most recent generation > Sony Super Metal Master, TDK MA-XG or MA-EX > cassette, and give that the best workout in > recording and playback. Report back what you > experience. > > I haven't contributed for many months, but you can > be assured that I read Naktalk on a weekly basis > :-}} > > Reegards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:53:45 -0700 > From: "Doane Hoag" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can I use other > manufacturer's tape in my Nak? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Alan: > I'm not familiar with the 700ZXE, but the ZX-9 is > basically the same as my > ZX-7, so you are in great shape to use just about > any tape manufacture you > want, as long as you do the azmuth, levels and bias > before each recording > session, and I always perform them about half way > into the tape, on each > side. > Just stick to the best, name brand and you should be > fine. I always used > mainly TDK, but also used Maxell, then I discovered > the Sony line was > excellent and stated using thier chrome and metal > tapes. Sony's UX-Pro type > II chrome I was very impressed with, it used a rigid > ceramic guide assembly > and had very high output. I don't know what is > available today as I haven't > bought cassettes in years and am still using a > supply I've had of the > Sony's, and TDK's when I occasionally do a > recording. Maybe some others here > have some suggestions? > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com